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[Sep 17, 2017] Empire Idiots by Linh Dinh

Highly recommended!
There are probably two factors here: The first is the real anger of Arab population against aggression by the USA and European states (mainly GB and Frnace). That what produces radicalized Muslims who can commit terrorist attacks.
The second factor is the desire of intelligence agencies to exploit those attacks for thier own purposes. For example, it is quite possible, that they are standing idle to the most stupid of them and disrupt others, more dangerous.
Notable quotes:
"... How many Muslims are needed to drive one suicide car? Five, of course. What's the best, most lethal vehicle for the purpose? The compact Audi A3, naturally. ..."
"... From 9/11, Charlie Hebdo, Paris' Bataclan Concert Hall, Berlin's Christmas Market to Barcelona, etc., Muslim mass murderers seem expert at leaving behind their identity papers. ..."
"... Classic examples of this type of "lost and found id" were Oswald's lost wallet and James Earl Ray's dropped bundle of documents (ML King) ..."
"... Arab folks are brimming with anger that is now being met by the anger of the natives. ..."
"... I think the author misses the role of Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States, who appear to be the main financiers of the work performed by the above American Israel Empire. ..."
"... Perhaps the term Petrodollar Empire would be more accurate? As a bonus, it also complies better to the rules of political correctness. ..."
"... I am always deeply skeptical of these false flag claims. We bomb and kill arabs daily, yet create magnificent conspiracy theories to explain how it is someone else blowing crap up in vengeance. ..."
"... Why would Israel need to frame Muslim bombers when so many are so willing to do the job themselves and avenge their dead? Israel certainly pulls our strings to conduct the bombardment and they control American politics – why would they need to fabricate murders of random faceless Spaniards? How does that keep American taxpayers footing the bill for Zionism? ..."
"... It's really pretty simple isn't it? Before we decided to throw in with England and help genocide the Palestinians we had few problems with arabs. Now we've expanded our mission to include Iraq, Iran, Syria, Libya, etc and our blowback is serious. The arabs are doing what I'd do if a foreign power bombed my family. I could not care less what happens to Israelis or arabs. We need to either nuke the entire Arab world or leave it the hell alone – none of them are worth a single American life. ..."
Sep 09, 2017 | www.unz.com

How many Muslims are needed to drive one suicide car? Five, of course. What's the best, most lethal vehicle for the purpose? The compact Audi A3, naturally. What's the best time to stage such an attack? 1:15AM, grasshopper, when there are almost nobody on the Paseo Maritimo. Finally, what should you wear for such a momentous and self-defining occasion? Fake suicide vests, stupid, because they serve no purpose besides giving cops an excuse to perforate you immediately.

... .. ...

Astonishingly moronic, the five Muslims in Cambrils made all the worst choices possible, but the rest of their "terrorist cell" weren't any smarter, it is said.

Eight hours earlier, a van had killed 14 people and injured 130+ more in Barcelona, and the purported driver of that van, 22-year-old Younes Aboyaaqoub, had rented the vehicle with his own credit card. Very stupid. He also left his IDs in a second van, meant as a get-away car.

From 9/11, Charlie Hebdo, Paris' Bataclan Concert Hall, Berlin's Christmas Market to Barcelona, etc., Muslim mass murderers seem expert at leaving behind their identity papers. Otherwise, the official narrative can't be broadcast immediately. Wait a week or a month for a proper investigation, and the public won't have any idea what you're talking about, fixated as they are on a Kardashian pumped up buttocks or Messi goal.

Brabantian, Website September 9, 2017 at 9:03 am GMT

List of Passport / ID documents found at terrorism attack scenes – at least 8, including those Linh Dinh mentions above

(1) – 11 Sep 2001 passport found in NYC towers rubble tho aeroplane had 'turned to vapour'
(2) – 7 Jul 2005 London bomboings – ID of '4th bomber' allegedly 'found by UK police'
(3) – 7 Jan 2015 Charlie Hebdo, passport in car in front of Paris Jewish deli where Mossad meets
(4) – 13 Nov 2015 Bataclan Paris passport flew from body 'after killer exploded his suicide vest'
(5) – 14 Jul 2016 Nice France lorry attack 'passport found'
(6) – 19 Dec 2016 Berlin Christmas market lorry attack 'ID found', after 24 hours of searching lorry cab
(7) – 22 May 2017 Manchester UK 'suicide bomber leaves ID' at scene amidst another 'terror on 22nd'
(8) – 17 Aug 2017 Barcelona deadly terror attack by white van, 'Spanish passport found in van'

Also related & of interest
'Mossad did the Barcelona attack' – Israel heavily involved with Barcelona police – from Aangirfan on her site

republic, September 9, 2017 at 11:43 am GMT

@Brabantian List of Passport / ID documents found at terrorism attack scenes - at least 8, including those Linh Dinh mentions above

(1) - 11 Sep 2001 passport found in NYC towers rubble tho aeroplane had 'turned to vapour'
(2) - 7 Jul 2005 London bomboings - ID of '4th bomber' allegedly 'found by UK police'
(3) - 7 Jan 2015 Charlie Hebdo, passport in car in front of Paris Jewish deli where Mossad meets
(4) - 13 Nov 2015 Bataclan Paris passport flew from body 'after killer exploded his suicide vest'
(5) - 14 Jul 2016 Nice France lorry attack 'passport found'
(6) - 19 Dec 2016 Berlin Christmas market lorry attack 'ID found', after 24 hours of searching lorry cab
(7) - 22 May 2017 Manchester UK 'suicide bomber leaves ID' at scene amidst another 'terror on 22nd'
(8) - 17 Aug 2017 Barcelona deadly terror attack by white van, 'Spanish passport found in van'

Also related & of interest
'Mossad did the Barcelona attack' - Israel heavily involved with Barcelona police - from Aangirfan on her site
http://aanirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2017/09/mossad-did-barcelona-attack.html
http://aanirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2017/09/barcelona-false-flag-part-3.html https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Lost_and_Found_ID

Classic examples of this type of "lost and found id" were Oswald's lost wallet and James Earl Ray's dropped bundle of documents (ML King)

Cranky, September 9, 2017 at 2:35 pm GMT

Dinh, you are a fool. The Spanish police until the last two decades were always a bit trigger happy. And then you forget the Guardia Civil. They were the people in charge of keeping Franco's Spain quiet, and it was quiet like the grave. The really funny part is the Arab folks are brimming with anger that is now being met by the anger of the natives. Read the Blood of Spain, and see the complicated relationship between Franco's Moros and how they ravaged parts of Spain during the Civil War. The really ironic part is these "radicalized" kids are simply fodder for the papers back home, and an excuse to begin the round ups and mass deportations.

Fascism is now returning to Europe because of the liberal insanity of open borders and mass immigration.

Go see this in Spain: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valle_de_los_Ca%C3%ADdos

Built by the prisoners of France, and then ponder what it means when a people get tired of too much change.

Simpleguest, September 9, 2017 at 4:34 pm GMT

Nice read, indeed. Regarding the main idea of the article, that the:

" .. American Israel Empire is working nonstop to deform the Middle East, North Africa, Europe and, frankly, the rest of the world."

I think the author misses the role of Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States, who appear to be the main financiers of the work performed by the above American Israel Empire.

Perhaps the term Petrodollar Empire would be more accurate? As a bonus, it also complies better to the rules of political correctness.

DFH, September 9, 2017 at 8:34 pm GMT

Which seems more likely prima facie , Muslim terrorism or that the whole thing was faked? The whole premise of this article seems to be that it's simply ludicrous that a Muslim would ever do something like ram a car into a crowd of people.

jacques sheete, September 9, 2017 at 11:36 pm GMT

You're being played, in short.

For sure. Deja vu all over again and again. Another fine one, LD!

Dumbo, September 10, 2017 at 3:47 am GMT

It's like in the great movie by Kurosawa, Yojimbo, one guy playing both sides one against the other. Except Sanjuro was a good guy trying to kill a bunch of thugs and bring peace to the town, while our globo-masters prefer to see innocent people being murdered and the world in chaos.

Anon, Disclaimer September 10, 2017 at 6:11 pm GMT

@Linh Dinh "Barcelona Massacre, the testimony of Bruno Gulotta's father," delivered a day after his son's death:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbvhAwlYgfA

Linh, the Orlando video seems obviously fake. For those who look for those things, there are plenty of give-aways. But what's your point with the Barcelona video? I don't speak Spanish or Catalan, as the case may be, but he seems to be fairly dispassionate and therefore not bullshitting. I do hope there was a point you were making. There is enough in what you say, so that your linguistic showing off is a pointless irritation. I would like to make my point with a pointless Hindi quip, but my phone doesn't support the script.

Dumbo, September 10, 2017 at 8:32 pm GMT

@fish

What Merkel has done in Germany is incredible. She took in a million, a million and a half refugees, and there has been no major problem. It has been a great success, a miracle."
Yeah....good luck with that! By the time this all sorts out historically Merkel will rate lower than ol Schickelgruber.

Mutti.....Europes greatest "Crazy Cat Lady"!

"and there has been no major problem"

Except for a few stabbings, shootings and bombings as well as general malaise and waste of taxpayer's money, but what is that compared to the glory of diversity?
Well, I guess Germany had too few kebab shops

"By the time this all sorts out historically Merkel will rate lower than ol Schickelgruber."

The problem of politics and especially democracy is that politicians act for short term gains, but their decisions affect everybody else in the long term. By the time the Scheiße hits the fan Merkel and her friends will be happily retired in Switzerland or Monaco.

Andrew Nichos, September 11, 2017 at 3:30 am GMT

You'd have to be blind and stupid not have noticed this convenient habit of Muslim terrorists. I wonder why the IRA/ Baader Meinhof/Brigata Rossi or the westher,men didn't have the same habit?

NoseytheDuke, September 11, 2017 at 4:26 am GMT

You'd have to be blind and stupid not have noticed this convenient habit of pseudo moslem terrorists. I wonder why the IRA/ Baader Meinhof/Brigata Rossi or the Weathermen didn't have the same habit?

I fixed that for you, mate. The frequency of this seemingly ritual habit is amazing I agree. It is certainly one for the Coincidence Theorists out there.

Erebus, September 11, 2017 at 5:39 am GMT

@Intelligent Dasein From the banner of this website:

A Collection of Interesting, Important, and Controversial Perspectives Largely Excluded from the American Mainstream Media
I am here reminded of Jerry Seinfeld's wise observation that "Sometimes the road less traveled is less traveled for a reason."

I would advise Ron Unz to take this saying to heart and to spike the execrable Linh Dinh from these pages, and his butt-buddy Revusky, too.

I am here reminded of Jerry Seinfeld's wise observation that "Sometimes the road less traveled is less traveled for a reason."

Seinfeld would have been wiser if he had said that it's always less travelled for a reason. That reason is invariably along the lines of it being less convenient, more arduous, and more challenging. It often takes you to uncomfortable places, and you have to leave your beloved baggage behind.
Most people naturally choose to walk the broad level path that's been thoughtfully laid out for them. It doesn't go anywhere at all, except maybe in a giant circle, so that it doesn't matter where they start or where they stop, but they get to keep and even accumulate baggage along the way and that's what travelling is all about, isn't it?

NoseytheDuke, September 11, 2017 at 11:42 am GMT

@utu Looks like Linh Dinh was turned by Revusky. Everything must be a hoax. This is their starting position: It is a hoax until proven otherwise.

And Revusky comes up with his cheap schtick about the "emotional register." As if he ever seen true reactions of real people who lost relatives? All his life like all the hoax mongering youtube yahoos he was exposed to movies with the overacted emotional displays by actors and this formed the baseline for the youtube yahoos and Revusky. So when he sees more measure reactions of real people he thinks it must be bad acting. Yes, if you haven't noticed, the real life is full of bad acting, you fool.

More interesting would be to read about how is the bromance evolving? Actually real life is usually quite authentic which is the 'real' part and since several big "terror"events have had some inexplicable aspects to them suggesting the involvement of trickery it would be wise to suspect that of other events too. If you've been mugged while walking in the street a couple of times it would be completely rational and indeed prudent if you crossed the street to avoid a stranger, or clutched a hidden weapon as a stranger approached. This is natural and the survival instinct at work.

As to the emotional register, most people have not studied acting yet they can spot poor acting on TV or in a movie very quickly because they have experienced human behaviour their entire lives. When the behaviour or physical action doesn't match the dialogue or situation it appears very odd to us. Some people are more observant than others, this is why professional actors like to study the traits and quirks of people.

Linh Dinh has written some really excellent articles as many commenters have approved and stated as much but if you don't like them why bother reading or commenting? Jonathan Revusky too has written some very worthwhile articles in my opinion but he doesn't seem to take criticism well and has made a few enemies here but again, if you don't like them why not spend your time reading the work of other people?

bb., September 11, 2017 at 12:36 pm GMT

i agree that the passports left behind all the time are a little bit weird. when some shit goes down, among friends, we jokingly ask if they found the passports yet? but it could also be that they want to leave them behind, as a martyr signature or something maybe. like now they recruited irma for their cause..saying god is on their side.
but then again..i am susceptible to consider weird shit. like the boston bombings for example. I saw a very strange video of a simulation of a bombing attack which looked very real, like tv footage, but maybe that's the point of a good simulation.
we live in weird times. information flow is corrupted and not to be trusted. stanislaw lem wrote about it 40years ago and I always think about it reading news.

escobar, September 11, 2017 at 1:05 pm GMT

Linh Dinh's and others' dark dreams:

The American Israel Empire, the Anglo Zionist Conspiracy, the Jew Bolshevik plot

How do the Jews have time for all that and make so much money, run their dentistry, legal, media, entertainment empires and lust after blond shiksa cheerleaders as well?
Maybe it's from those gefilte fish they eat, or from the chopped liver they do even better than this sample produced by Linh Dinh.

Joe Hide, September 11, 2017 at 1:16 pm GMT

Millions of us have been aware of the "Empire" for years now Linh. We just don't have access to the media expression as you do. We tend to be quiet about it until we sense a person or group is open to this Truth. Most people think inside the box because it's safe, comforting, and lacks unpleasant reactions. We who want the Truth value your articles, because we really do believe that "The Truth will set you free."

Santoculto, September 11, 2017 at 1:50 pm GMT

Francisco, a typical teacher of philosophy and never a real philosopher. Most of this "refugees" are permanent immigrants, that's why this "refugee crisis" is just a way to accelerate the capitulation of Europe. Real refugees came back to their countries when they have opportunity. In the end the most effective way to stop middle east conflicts must be done via exposition of real (((criminals))), the direct responsible for all this shit. Only the truth can solve any problem and (((problem))).

Teacher of history's philosophy, what most of this "philosophers" are. Real philosophers learn/or invent and teach real or valid philosophical methods of thinking/analytical-critical thinking and of course subsequent action/application.

anonymous, Disclaimer September 11, 2017 at 2:34 pm GMT

The author is claiming it's all fake because the participants were inept and stupid. They possibly were being monitored and followed all along. That doesn't make it a staged fake event. "Kosher Nostra"? What's that supposed to mean? Jews are scapegoated for what Muslims do and have been doing for close to fourteen hundred years? It took the Spanish hundreds of years of struggle to free themselves from Muslim overlordship and now they're just supposed to wash their brains of any historical memory? Those third worlders written about so lovingly add nothing to Spain besides just some food joints. The author doesn't live there anyway so why is he telling them how to live?"Drugged and inflamed" is not necessarily true of all of America. The author is probably an alcoholic and needs to stop hanging around craphole taverns with all those dysfunctional boozers.

Hairway To Steven, September 11, 2017 at 8:30 pm GMT

Conspiracy theories like those expressed in this article and in many of the comments are for those either lacking the good sense to appreciate that the world is complex or the intellectual patience to sort through that complexity.

In the absence of these qualities, conspiracy nuts come up with unified theories that "explain everything" (e.g., the Jews control the world).

Actually moving out of the basement of their mom's house, or even losing their virginity, might help, but most of these sweaty little pamphleteers are lost causes whose lives rarely extend beyond a circle of like-minded friends and the insular concerns expressed in their over-heated and under-read blogs.

Stan d Mute, September 11, 2017 at 10:34 pm GMT

@DFH Which seems more likely prima facie , Muslim terrorism or that the whole thing was faked?
The whole premise of this article seems to be that it's simply ludicrous that a Muslim would ever do something like ram a car into a crowd of people.

Which seems more likely prima facie, Muslim terrorism or that the whole thing was faked?
The whole premise of this article seems to be that it's simply ludicrous that a Muslim would ever do something like ram a car into a crowd of people.

I am always deeply skeptical of these false flag claims. We bomb and kill arabs daily, yet create magnificent conspiracy theories to explain how it is someone else blowing crap up in vengeance.

Why would Israel need to frame Muslim bombers when so many are so willing to do the job themselves and avenge their dead? Israel certainly pulls our strings to conduct the bombardment and they control American politics – why would they need to fabricate murders of random faceless Spaniards? How does that keep American taxpayers footing the bill for Zionism?

It's really pretty simple isn't it? Before we decided to throw in with England and help genocide the Palestinians we had few problems with arabs. Now we've expanded our mission to include Iraq, Iran, Syria, Libya, etc and our blowback is serious. The arabs are doing what I'd do if a foreign power bombed my family. I could not care less what happens to Israelis or arabs. We need to either nuke the entire Arab world or leave it the hell alone – none of them are worth a single American life.

Art, September 12, 2017 at 2:30 am GMT

How stupid must you be to not see that the American Israel Empire has rigged every aspect of your reality?

...The pattern of human nature that they use is called the Stockholm syndrome.

It has been documented that a group of people can be turned against themselves when they are captured and terrorized, and in the process, they are propagandized to believe that the terrorizers themselves are the true victims. The terrorists tell the those they captured, that they are doing this because they themselves are the real victims.

The syndrome is that the captured group begin to sympathize with their terrorists. They take to heart that the terrorists are indeed victims, and that they should be supported. .

... ... ...

Think Peace -- Art

Stan d Mute, September 12, 2017 at 2:50 am GMT

@ChuckOrloski "... none of them are worth an American life."

Stan d Mute,

The dangerous thing about your rather common conclusion (above) is the stinky fact that, for the sake of creating Greater Israel, Neoconservatives are in your "Amen Corner" and also would green light the "nuking" of Iran.

Thank you.

Neoconservatives are in your "Amen Corner" and also would green light the "nuking" of Iran.

Don't paint me with your misrepresentation. I wrote " nuke the entire Arab world " Your Iran reply is a strawman.

Few neocons would endorse my suggestion to either obliterate the Middle East (drill for oil through the glass) or abandon their first loyalty of Zionism and all resulting meddling and murdering in the region.

Tell it like it is, September 12, 2017 at 10:05 pm GMT

Cry me a river. No sympathy from me. This article is completely one sided. What kind of investigative reporting is this when the author didn't even interview the police and review the evidence, but simply hurl out accusations through hearsay from the average guys on the street.

... ... ...

denk, September 13, 2017 at 3:32 pm GMT

The terror factory

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article34322.htm

It has already been exposed that 95% of domestic 'terror attacks' were FBI/CIA
false flags.

[Sep 17, 2017] The So-called Russian Hack of the DNC Does Not Make Sense by Publius Tacitus

Highly recommended!
Notable quotes:
"... 6 May 2016 when CrowdStrike first detected what it assessed to be a Russian presence inside the DNC server. Follow me here. One week after realizing there had been a penetration, the DNC learns, courtesy of the computer security firm it hired, that the Russians are doing it. Okay. Does CrowdStrike shut down the penetration. Nope. The hacking apparently continues unabated. ..."
"... I introduce Seth Rich at this point because he represents an alternative hypothesis. Rich, who reportedly was a Bernie Sanders supporter, was in a position at the DNC that gave him access to the emails in question and the opportunity to download the emails and take them from the DNC headquarters. Worth noting that Julian Assange offered $20,000 for information leading to the arrest of Rich's killer or killers. 8. 22 July 2016. Wikileaks published the DNC emails starting on 22 July 2016. Bill Binney, a former senior official at NSA, insists that if such a hack and electronic transfer over the internet had occurred then the NSA has in it possession the intelligence data to prove that such activity had occurred. ..."
"... Notwithstanding the claim by CrowdStrike not a single piece of evidence has been provided to the public to support the conclusion that the emails were hacked and physically transferred to a server under the control of a Russian intelligence operative. ..."
"... Please do not try to post a comment stating that the "Intelligence Community" concluded as well that Russia was responsible. That claim is totally without one shred of actual forensic evidence. Also, Julian Assange insists that the emails did not come from a Russian source. ..."
"... Wikileaks, the protector of the accountability of the top, has announced a reward for finding the murderers of Seth Rich. In comparison, the DNC has not offered any reward to help the investigation of the murder of the DNC staffer, but the DNC found a well-connected lawyer to protect Imran Awan who is guilty (along with Debbie Wasserman-Schultz) in the greatest breach of national cybersecurity: http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/29/wasserman-schultz-seemingly-planned-to-pay-suspect-even-while-he-lived-in-pakistan/ ..."
"... I'm afraid you're behind the times. Wheeler is no longer relevant now that Sy Hersh has revealed an FBI report that explicitly says Rich was in contact with Wikileaks offering to sell them DNC documents. ..."
"... Alperovitch is not just an incompetent "expert" in cybersecurity - he is a willing liar and war-mongering, for money. ..."
"... The DNC hacking story has never been about national security; Alperovitch (and his handlers) have no loyalty to the US. ..."
"... LeaNder , 05 September 2017 at 09:59 AM ..."
"... PT, I make a short exception. Actually decided to stop babbling for a while. But: Just finished something successfully. ..."
"... And since I usually need distraction by something far more interesting then matters at hand. I was close to your line of thought yesters. ..."
"... But really: Shouldn't the timeline start in 2015, since that's supposedly the time someone got into the DNC's system? ..."
"... One could of course start earlier. What is the exact timeline of the larger cyberwar post 9/11, or at least the bits and pieces that surfaced for the nitwits among us, like: Stuxnet? ..."
"... But nevermind. Don't forget developments and recent events around Eugene or Jewgeni Walentinowitsch Kasperski? ..."
"... LondonBob , 05 September 2017 at 03:27 PM ..."
"... The Russia thing certainly seems to have gone quiet. ..."
"... Bannon's chum says the issue with pursuing the Clinton email thing is that you would end up having to indict almost all of the last administration, including Obama, unseemly certainly. Still there might be a fall guy, maybe Comey, and obviously it serves Trump's purposes to keep this a live issue through the good work of Grassley and the occasional tweet. ..."
"... Would be amusing if Trump pardoned Obama. Still think Brennan should pay a price though, can't really be allowed to get away with it ..."
"... Scott Ritter's article referenced in PT's post is terrific, covering a ton of issues related to CrowdStrike and the DNC hack. You need to read it, not just PT's timeline. In case you missed the link in PT's post: ..."
"... Dumbstruck: How CrowdStrike Conned America on the Hack of the DNC https://medium.com/homefront-rising/dumbstruck-how-crowdstrike-conned-america-on-the-hack-of-the-dnc-ecfa522ff44f ..."
"... The article by Jeffrey Carr on CrowdStrike referenced from back in 2012 is also worth reading: Where's the "Strike" in CrowdStrike? https://jeffreycarr.blogspot.com/2012/09/wheres-strike-in-crowdstrike.html ..."
"... Also, the article Carr references is very important for understanding the limits of malware analysis and "attribution". Written by Michael Tanji, whose credentials appear impressive: "spent nearly 20 years in the US intelligence community. Trained in both SIGINT and HUMINT disciplines he has worked at the Defense Intelligence Agency, the National Security Agency, and the National Reconnaissance Office. At various points in his career he served as an expert in information warfare, computer network operations, computer forensics, and indications and warning. A veteran of the US Army, Michael has served in both strategic and tactical assignments in the Pacific Theater, the Balkans, and the Middle East." ..."
"... Malware Analysis: The Danger of Connecting the Dots: https://www.oodaloop.com/technology/2012/09/11/malware-analysis-the-danger-of-connecting-the-dots/ ..."
"... His article echoes and reinforces what Carr and others have said about the difficulty of attribution of infosec breaches. Namely that the basic problem of both intelligence and infosec operations is that there is too much obfuscation, manipulation, and misdirection involved to be sure of who or what is going on. ..."
"... None of this proves that Russian intelligence - or Russians of some stripe - or for that matter hackers from literally anywhere - couldn't or didn't ALSO do a hack of the DNC. But it does prove that the iron-clad attribution of the source of Wikileaks email release to Russia is at best flawed, and at worst a deliberate cover up of a leak. ..."
"... And Russiagate depends prima rily on BOTH alleged "facts" being true: 1) that Russia hacked the DNC, and 2) that Russia was the source of Wikileaks release. And if the latter is not true, then one has to question why Russia hacked the DNC in the first place, other than for "normal" espionage operations. "Influencing the election" then becomes a far less plausible theory. ..."
"... The general takeaway from an infosec point of view is that attribution by means of target identification, tools used, and "indicators of compromise" is a fatally flawed means of identifying, and thus being able to counter, the adversaries encountered in today's Internet world, as Tanji proves. Only HUMINT offers a way around this, just as it is really the only valid option in countering terrorism. ..."
Sep 05, 2017 | turcopolier.typepad.com

Notwithstanding the conventional wisdom that Russia hacked into the DNC computers, downloaded emails and a passed the stolen missives to Julian Assange's crew at Wikileaks, a careful examination of the timeline of events from 2016 shows that this story is simply not plausible.

Let me take you through the known facts:

1. 29 April 2016 , when the DNC became aware its servers had been penetrated (https://medium.com/homefront-rising/dumbstruck-how-crowdstrike-conned-america-on-the-hack-of-the-dnc-ecfa522ff44f). Note. They apparently did not know who was doing it. 2, 6 May 2016 when CrowdStrike first detected what it assessed to be a Russian presence inside the DNC server. Follow me here. One week after realizing there had been a penetration, the DNC learns, courtesy of the computer security firm it hired, that the Russians are doing it. Okay. Does CrowdStrike shut down the penetration. Nope. The hacking apparently continues unabated. 3. 25 May 2016. The messages published on Wikileaks from the DNC show that 26 May 2016 was the last date that emails were sent and received at the DNC. There are no emails in the public domain after that date. In other words, if the DNC emails were taken via a hacking operation, we can conclude from the fact that the last messages posted to Wikileaks show a date time group of 25 May 2016. Wikileaks has not reported nor posted any emails from the DNC after the 25th of May. I think it is reasonable to assume that was the day the dirty deed was done. 4. 12 June 2016, CrowdStrike purged the DNC server of all malware. Are you kidding me? 45 days after the DNC discovers that its serve has been penetrated the decision to purge the DNC server is finally made. What in the hell were they waiting for? But this also tells us that 18 days after the last email "taken" from the DNC, no additional emails were taken by this nasty malware. Here is what does not make sense to me. If the DNC emails were truly hacked and the malware was still in place on 11 June 2016 (it was not purged until the 12th) then why are there no emails from the DNC after 26 May 2016? an excellent analysis of Guccifer's role : Almost immediately after the one-two punch of the Washington Post article/CrowdStrike technical report went public, however, something totally unexpected happened -- someone came forward and took full responsibility for the DNC cyber attack. Moreover, this entity -- operating under the persona Guccifer 2.0 (ostensibly named after the original Guccifer , a Romanian hacker who stole the emails of a number of high-profile celebrities and who was arrested in 2014 and sentenced to 4 ½ years of prison in May 2016) -- did something no state actor has ever done before, publishing documents stolen from the DNC server as proof of his claims.
Hi. This is Guccifer 2.0 and this is me who hacked Democratic National Committee.

With that simple email, sent to the on-line news magazine, The Smoking Gun , Guccifer 2.0 stole the limelight away from Alperovitch. Over the course of the next few days, through a series of emails, online posts and interviews , Guccifer 2.0 openly mocked CrowdStrike and its Russian attribution. Guccifer 2.0 released a number of documents, including a massive 200-plus-missive containing opposition research on Donald Trump.

Guccifer 2.0 also directly contradicted the efforts on the part of the DNC to minimize the extent of the hacking, releasing the very donor lists the DNC specifically stated had not been stolen. More chilling, Guccifer 2.0 claimed to be in possession of "about 100 Gb of data" which had been passed on to the online publisher, Wikileaks, who "will publish them soon." 7. Seth Rich died on 10 July 2016. I introduce Seth Rich at this point because he represents an alternative hypothesis. Rich, who reportedly was a Bernie Sanders supporter, was in a position at the DNC that gave him access to the emails in question and the opportunity to download the emails and take them from the DNC headquarters. Worth noting that Julian Assange offered $20,000 for information leading to the arrest of Rich's killer or killers. 8. 22 July 2016. Wikileaks published the DNC emails starting on 22 July 2016. Bill Binney, a former senior official at NSA, insists that if such a hack and electronic transfer over the internet had occurred then the NSA has in it possession the intelligence data to prove that such activity had occurred. Notwithstanding the claim by CrowdStrike not a single piece of evidence has been provided to the public to support the conclusion that the emails were hacked and physically transferred to a server under the control of a Russian intelligence operative. Please do not try to post a comment stating that the "Intelligence Community" concluded as well that Russia was responsible. That claim is totally without one shred of actual forensic evidence. Also, Julian Assange insists that the emails did not come from a Russian source.

Fool , 05 September 2017 at 09:01 AM

Where was it reported that Rich was a Sanders supporter?
Publius Tacitus -> Fool... , 05 September 2017 at 09:15 AM
This is one of the reports, http://heavy.com/news/2016/08/seth-rich-julian-assange-source-wikileaks-wiki-dnc-emails-death-murder-reward-video-interview-hillary-clinton-shawn-lucas/.
Anna -> Publius Tacitus ... , 05 September 2017 at 10:56 AM
Wikileaks, the protector of the accountability of the top, has announced a reward for finding the murderers of Seth Rich. In comparison, the DNC has not offered any reward to help the investigation of the murder of the DNC staffer, but the DNC found a well-connected lawyer to protect Imran Awan who is guilty (along with Debbie Wasserman-Schultz) in the greatest breach of national cybersecurity: http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/29/wasserman-schultz-seemingly-planned-to-pay-suspect-even-while-he-lived-in-pakistan/
Stephanie -> Publius Tacitus ... , 06 September 2017 at 12:12 PM
Seth Rich's family have pleaded, and continue to plead, that the conspiracy theorists leave the death of their son alone and have said that those who continue to flog this nonsense around the internet are only serving to increase their pain. I suggest respectfully that some here may wish to consider their feelings. (Also, this stuff is nuts, you know.)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/were-seth-richs-parents-stop-politicizing-our-sons-murder/2017/05/23/164cf4dc-3fee-11e7-9869-bac8b446820a_story.html?utm_term=.b20208de48d3

"We also know that many people are angry at our government and want to see justice done in some way, somehow. We are asking you to please consider our feelings and words. There are people who are using our beloved Seth's memory and legacy for their own political goals, and they are using your outrage to perpetuate our nightmare."

http://www.businessinsider.com/seth-rich-family-response-lawsuit-rod-wheeler-2017-8

"Wheeler, a former Metropolitan Police Department officer, was a key figure in a series of debunked stories claiming that Rich had been in contact with Wikileaks before his death. Fox News, which reported the story online and on television, retracted it in June."

Richardstevenhack -> Stephanie... , 07 September 2017 at 07:43 PM
I'm afraid you're behind the times. Wheeler is no longer relevant now that Sy Hersh has revealed an FBI report that explicitly says Rich was in contact with Wikileaks offering to sell them DNC documents.

It's unfortunate for the Rich family, but now that the connection is pretty much confirmed, they're going to have to allow the truth to come out.

Anna , 05 September 2017 at 09:20 AM
Mr. Dmitri Alperovitch, of Jewish descent (and an emigre from Russia), has been an "expert" at the Atlantic Council, the same organization that cherishes and provides for Mr. Eliot Higgins. These two gentlemen - and the directorate of Atlantic Council - are exhibit one of opportunism and intellectual dishonesty (though it is hard to think about Mr. Higgins in terms of "intellect").

Here is an article by Alperovitch: http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/russian-cyber-attacks-in-the-united-states-will-intensify

Take note how Alperovitch coded the names of the supposed hackers: "Russian intelligence services hacked the Democratic National Committee's computer network and accessed opposition research on Donald Trump, according to the Atlantic Council's Dmitri Alperovitch.

Two Russian groups!codenamed FancyBear and CozyBear!have been identified as spearheading the DNC breach." Alperovitch is not just an incompetent "expert" in cybersecurity - he is a willing liar and war-mongering, for money.

The DNC hacking story has never been about national security; Alperovitch (and his handlers) have no loyalty to the US.

LeaNder , 05 September 2017 at 09:59 AM
PT, I make a short exception. Actually decided to stop babbling for a while. But: Just finished something successfully.

And since I usually need distraction by something far more interesting then matters at hand. I was close to your line of thought yesters.

But really: Shouldn't the timeline start in 2015, since that's supposedly the time someone got into the DNC's system?

One could of course start earlier. What is the exact timeline of the larger cyberwar post 9/11, or at least the bits and pieces that surfaced for the nitwits among us, like: Stuxnet?

But nevermind. Don't forget developments and recent events around Eugene or Jewgeni Walentinowitsch Kasperski?

LondonBob , 05 September 2017 at 03:27 PM
The Russia thing certainly seems to have gone quiet.

Bannon's chum says the issue with pursuing the Clinton email thing is that you would end up having to indict almost all of the last administration, including Obama, unseemly certainly. Still there might be a fall guy, maybe Comey, and obviously it serves Trump's purposes to keep this a live issue through the good work of Grassley and the occasional tweet.

Would be amusing if Trump pardoned Obama. Still think Brennan should pay a price though, can't really be allowed to get away with it

Richardstevenhack , 05 September 2017 at 06:23 PM
Scott Ritter's article referenced in PT's post is terrific, covering a ton of issues related to CrowdStrike and the DNC hack. You need to read it, not just PT's timeline. In case you missed the link in PT's post:

Dumbstruck: How CrowdStrike Conned America on the Hack of the DNC https://medium.com/homefront-rising/dumbstruck-how-crowdstrike-conned-america-on-the-hack-of-the-dnc-ecfa522ff44f

The article by Jeffrey Carr on CrowdStrike referenced from back in 2012 is also worth reading: Where's the "Strike" in CrowdStrike? https://jeffreycarr.blogspot.com/2012/09/wheres-strike-in-crowdstrike.html

Also, the article Carr references is very important for understanding the limits of malware analysis and "attribution". Written by Michael Tanji, whose credentials appear impressive: "spent nearly 20 years in the US intelligence community. Trained in both SIGINT and HUMINT disciplines he has worked at the Defense Intelligence Agency, the National Security Agency, and the National Reconnaissance Office. At various points in his career he served as an expert in information warfare, computer network operations, computer forensics, and indications and warning. A veteran of the US Army, Michael has served in both strategic and tactical assignments in the Pacific Theater, the Balkans, and the Middle East."

Malware Analysis: The Danger of Connecting the Dots: https://www.oodaloop.com/technology/2012/09/11/malware-analysis-the-danger-of-connecting-the-dots/

His article echoes and reinforces what Carr and others have said about the difficulty of attribution of infosec breaches. Namely that the basic problem of both intelligence and infosec operations is that there is too much obfuscation, manipulation, and misdirection involved to be sure of who or what is going on.

The Seth Rich connection is pretty much a done deal, now that Sy Hersh has been caught on tape stating that he knows of an FBI report based on a forensic analysis of Rich's laptop that shows Rich was in direct contact with Wikileaks with an attempt to sell them DNC documents and that Wikileaks had access to Rich's DropBox account. Despite Hersh's subsequent denials - which everyone knows are his usual impatient deflections prior to putting out a sourced and organized article - it's pretty clear that Rich was at least one of the sources of the Wikileaks email dump and that there is zero connection to Russia.

None of this proves that Russian intelligence - or Russians of some stripe - or for that matter hackers from literally anywhere - couldn't or didn't ALSO do a hack of the DNC. But it does prove that the iron-clad attribution of the source of Wikileaks email release to Russia is at best flawed, and at worst a deliberate cover up of a leak.

And Russiagate depends prima

rily on BOTH alleged "facts" being true: 1) that Russia hacked the DNC, and 2) that Russia was the source of Wikileaks release. And if the latter is not true, then one has to question why Russia hacked the DNC in the first place, other than for "normal" espionage operations. "Influencing the election" then becomes a far less plausible theory.

The general takeaway from an infosec point of view is that attribution by means of target identification, tools used, and "indicators of compromise" is a fatally flawed means of identifying, and thus being able to counter, the adversaries encountered in today's Internet world, as Tanji proves. Only HUMINT offers a way around this, just as it is really the only valid option in countering terrorism.

[Jul 30, 2017] Mainstream News Manipulation of US Public

McGovern thinks that it was Brennan boys who hacked into DNC as a part of conspiracy to implicate Russia and to secure Hillary win. One of the resons was probably that DNC servers were not well protected and there were other hacks, about whihc NSA know. So the sad state of DNC internet security needed to be swiped under the carpet and that's why CrowdStike was hired.
NSA created 7 million lines of code for penetration and that includes those that were pablished by Wikileaks and designed to imitate that attackers are coming (and using the language) from: China, North Korea, Iran and Russia.
Also NSA probably intercepts and keeps all Internet communications for a month or two so if it was a hack NSA knows who did it and what was stolen
But the most unexplainable part was that fact that FBI was denied accessing the evidence. I always think that thye can dictate that they need to see in such cases, but obviously this was not the case.
Notable quotes:
"... She couldn't pack a school gymnasium while Trumps rallies were packed with 10's of thousands. ..."
Jul 30, 2017 | www.youtube.com

Anna C 1 month ago

LEGAL, WIKIMEDIA V. NSA Discussing fake news and the NSA lawsuit at Yale | https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/06/16/fake-news-nsa-lawsuit-yale/

Tracy Spose 1 month ago

Love the rest of the talk, but no way did Hillary win. No way did she get the popular vote.

The woman was calling for war and reinstating the draft on men and women. She couldn't pack a school gymnasium while Trumps rallies were packed with 10's of thousands.

[Jul 26, 2017] So, what about 9-11, Mr. Giraldi?

Notable quotes:
"... This same point was also made by veteran CIA agent Milt Bearden. Speaking disparagingly of "the myth of Osama bin Laden" on CBS News the day after 9/11, Bearden said: "I was there [in Afghanistan] at the same time bin Laden was there. He was not the great warrior." With regard to the widespread view that bin Laden was behind the attacks, he said: "This was a tremendously sophisticated operation against the United States-more sophisticated than anybody would have ascribed to Osama bin Laden." Pointing out that a group capable of such a sophisticated attack would have had a way to cover their tracks, he added: "This group who was responsible for that, if they didn't have an Osama bin Laden out there, they'd invent one, because he's a terrific diversion."[110] ..."
Jul 26, 2017 | www.unz.com

L.K , June 6, 2017 at 6:25 pm GMT

So, what about 9-11, Mr. Giraldi?

Are you guys going to allow it to become another USS Liberty?

The official story is clearly bunk & zionist fingerprints are all over it.

Regarding the matter of whether or not bin Laden and 'al-Qaeda' were even capable of orchestrating the 9-11 Attacks, author and professor David Ray Griffin, wrote:

For prosecutors to prove that defendants committed a crime, they must show that they had the ability (as well as the motive and opportunity) to do so.
But several political and military leaders from other countries have stated that bin Laden and al-Qaeda simply could not have carried out the attacks.
General Leonid Ivashov, who in 2001 was the chief of staff for the Russian armed forces, wrote:

"Only secret services and their current chiefs-or those retired but still having influence inside the state organizations-have the ability to plan, organize and conduct an operation of such magnitude Osama bin Laden and "Al Qaeda" cannot be the organizers nor the performers of the September 11 attacks. They do not have the necessary organization, resources or leaders."

Similar statements have been made by Andreas von Bülow, the former state secretary of West Germany's ministry of defense, by General Mirza Aslam Beg, former chief of staff of Pakistan's army, and even General Musharraf, the president of Pakistan until recently.[109]

This same point was also made by veteran CIA agent Milt Bearden. Speaking disparagingly of "the myth of Osama bin Laden" on CBS News the day after 9/11, Bearden said: "I was there [in Afghanistan] at the same time bin Laden was there. He was not the great warrior." With regard to the widespread view that bin Laden was behind the attacks, he said: "This was a tremendously sophisticated operation against the United States-more sophisticated than anybody would have ascribed to Osama bin Laden." Pointing out that a group capable of such a sophisticated attack would have had a way to cover their tracks, he added: "This group who was responsible for that, if they didn't have an Osama bin Laden out there, they'd invent one, because he's a terrific diversion."[110]

L.K June 6, 2017 at 6:36 pm GMT

I wonder; the USS Liberty was attacked many years before I was even born

2017 now, and the Israeli attack remains largely unknown to zamericans quite amazing and a testament to something hardly ever discussed; Jewish power the Zionist Power Configuration

Before the USS Liberty, there was the Lavon Affair probably even less zamericans heard of that one:

Eight years after the bombing of the King David Hotel, the State of Israel carried out a series of false-flag terror bombings against U.S. and British libraries, theatres, and other government institutions in Egypt in a terror campaign designed to be blamed on Egyptian groups. This Israeli terror campaign of July 1954 is often referred to as the "Lavon Affair" after Pinhas Lavon, the Israeli defense minister at the time.

In 2001, we had 9-11, instantly, and without any real investigation or proof, conveniently blamed on Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda. The new Pearl Harbor has zionist fingerprints all over it.

The "investigation" was a complete farce, 100% a cover-up. Evidence quickly destroyed, lies planted by the zio controlled media framing "muslim terrorism", and then the totally fraudulent and ongoing war on "Terror" was launched.

Given that after so many decades there is still no clarity re the treacherous israeli attack on the USS Liberty and little talk of the Lavon 'affair', the zionist rats are probably confident 9-11 will be a repeat of previous zionist ops against ZUSA, their responsibility never revealed.
"Solving 9-11: The Deception that Changed the World":
http://bollyn.com/solving-9-11-the-book

Chapter III – America the Target: 9-11 and Israel's History of False Flag Terrorism
http://bollyn.com/solving-9-11-the-book#article_11279

The Israeli Origin of 9/11 and the War on Terror May 8, 2017 http://bollyn.com/#article_15904

jilles dykstra June 6, 2017 at 7:54 pm GMT

@L.K Sept 11 sophisticated ?
It was a mess.
The explosives in the Twin Towers went off too quickly after one another.
Too much thermite was used, three weeks after sept 11 there still was molten iron in the basements.
The 47 stories building was blown up with explosives on the ground floor.
The four 'hijacked' planes could not be used.
The first plane flying into a tower had a bubble under the plane that passenger planes do not have.
The second plane had no windows.
No plane crashed in Pennsylvania, just a rocket was fired from a jet.
No passenger plane flew into the Pentagon, probably a remote controlled fighter with a missile underneath.

The Sept 11 miracle was that despite the mess in general the public could be fooled. The public even believed that NORAD could not see planes with transponders switched off, did not see that Cheney 'happened' to be there to destroy the tapes on which the flights of the four 'hijacked' planes were recorded, and the other flights: the planes that did fly into the towers, the jet over Pennsylvania, and the jet that flew into the Pentagon.
Where these planes came from, probably some secret CIA base.

L.K June 7, 2017 at 6:25 pm GMT

I mentioned several specialists in a previous post, who stated that the official Bin Laden/Al-Qaeda narrative was an impossible one. C. Bollyn talked to 2 other such Intel specialists;

In Germany, I had the opportunity to interview Andreas von Bülow near Köln. Von Bülow, an author and former member of the Bundestag (the German parliament) served on the parliamentary commission which oversees the three branches of the German secret service. Von Bülow said he thought Israel's intelligence service, Mossad, was behind the 9-11 attacks. These attacks, he said, were carried out to turn public opinion against the Arabs and boost military and security spending.

"You don't get the higher echelons," von Bülow said, referring to the "architectural structure" which masterminds such terror attacks. At this level, he said, the organization doing the planning, such as Mossad, is primarily interested in affecting public opinion. The terrorists who actually commit the crimes are what von Bülow calls "the working level," such as the nineteen Arabs who allegedly hijacked the planes on September 11. "The working level is part of the deception," he said.

"Ninety-five percent of the work of the intelligence agencies around the world is deception and disinformation," he said, which is widely propagated in the mainstream media creating an accepted version of events. "Journalists don't even raise the simplest questions," he said. "Those who differ are labeled as crazy."

Eckehardt Werthebach, the former president of the Verfassungsschutz (a branch of German intelligence), told me that "the deathly precision" and "the magnitude of planning" behind the attacks would have needed "years of planning." Such a sophisticated operation, Werthebach said, required the "fixed frame" of a state intelligence organization, something not found in a "loose group" of terrorists. Both Werthebach and von Bülow said the lack of a complete "blue ribbon" investigation, with congressional hearings, into the events of September 11 was incomprehensible. These men made more sense to me than anyone in the U.S. government or media.

Rurik June 7, 2017 at 10:03 pm GMT

@L.K I mentioned several specialists in a previous post, who stated that the official Bin Laden/Al-Qaeda narrative was an impossible one. C. Bollyn talked to 2 other such Intel specialists;


In Germany, I had the opportunity to interview Andreas von Bülow near Köln. Von Bülow, an author and former member of the Bundestag (the German parliament) served on the parliamentary commission which oversees the three branches of the German secret service. Von Bülow said he thought Israel's intelligence service, Mossad, was behind the 9-11 attacks. These attacks, he said, were carried out to turn public opinion against the Arabs and boost military and security spending.

"You don't get the higher echelons," von Bülow said, referring to the "architectural structure" which masterminds such terror attacks. At this level, he said, the organization doing the planning, such as Mossad, is primarily interested in affecting public opinion. The terrorists who actually commit the crimes are what von Bülow calls "the working level," such as the nineteen Arabs who allegedly hijacked the planes on September 11. "The working level is part of the deception," he said.

"Ninety-five percent of the work of the intelligence agencies around the world is deception and disinformation," he said, which is widely propagated in the mainstream media creating an accepted version of events. "Journalists don't even raise the simplest questions," he said. "Those who differ are labeled as crazy."

Eckehardt Werthebach, the former president of the Verfassungsschutz (a branch of German intelligence), told me that "the deathly precision" and "the magnitude of planning" behind the attacks would have needed "years of planning." Such a sophisticated operation, Werthebach said, required the "fixed frame" of a state intelligence organization, something not found in a "loose group" of terrorists. Both Werthebach and von Bülow said the lack of a complete "blue ribbon" investigation, with congressional hearings, into the events of September 11 was incomprehensible. These men made more sense to me than anyone in the U.S. government or media.

.. Israel's intelligence service, Mossad, was behind the 9-11 attacks. These attacks, he said, were carried out to turn public opinion against the Arabs and boost military and security spending.

not only that LK, but also to turn the American people into Palestinians, with check points and treating us at the airports as if we're all terrorists. Not to mention total surveillance of our every email or phone conversation, every text and every thing our 'smart' phone cameras see.

Just as Ehud Barak predicted on 9/11, 'nothing will be the same'

these psychopathic fiends are so far beyond the Pale, that it boggles the mind.

they slaughter our citizens in horrific balls of fire, then they tell the people in the other tower to return to their work stations and cubicles knowing the second plane is on its way, hoping for maximum casualties.

"it's very good" after all

and then they set about systematically dismantling our hard-won Constitutional rights as they send off our young people as cannon fodder to die in illegal wars on innocent nations. Earning the well-deserved hatred of the entire Islamic world.

charming people these zio-scum, eh?

but far, far worse are the American politicians and media whores who enable them

Bollyn as you point out is an true American patriot. Thanks for the links

[Jul 02, 2017] Warning! The USA preparing a new chemical attack in Syria

Jul 02, 2017 | marknesop.wordpress.com

Moscow Exile ,

June 30, 2017 at 10:37 pm

https://www.youtube.com/embed/109ERbPA4Qs?version=3&rel=1&fs=1&autohide=2&showsearch=0&showinfo=1&iv_load_policy=1&wmode=transparent


What a patronising, smirking piece of shit that spokesthing for the US government is!
marknesop , June 30, 2017 at 10:51 pm
She's just what they're looking for. They keep changing the spokesholes for the State Department pressers because they're looking for a way to defend the indefensible. If the rest of the people in the room actually are reporters who eat, sleep and breathe news, they know very well that there is – at the very least – doubt that Assad actually carried out any chemical attacks on 'his own people'. They know 'rebel' groups in Syria do possess chemical weapons, and there is considerable evidence of their staging events to pluck western heartstrings and initiate a western intervention to overthrow Assad. So when she just talks over him and repeats government talking points, they all know what she's doing. They all also know that the United States government continually claims to have irrefutable evidence of this thing and that war crime which it will not disclose. None of it, except for the shite they get from social media. You're just supposed to take their word for it.

That would be fine if they had never been caught in a lie. Or even not very often. As the situation is, well

Moscow Exile , July 1, 2017 at 12:05 am
Compare the performance of the US blonde spokeswoman with that of the Russian blonde spokeswoman.

Zakharova [09:57]:

" There are experts and they should be working. If we make conclusions that are based on politically charged motivations, then this is what we are witnessing now and shall continue to do so ".

The US journalist, in response to Zakharova's detailed criticism of the US policy of shooting first and not asking questions, namely of not using appointed specialists on the ground to check claims of who was/is responsible for chemical weapons attacks but instead just acting on what Washington thinks was/is the "reality" of the situation (and remember, there are some in Washington who claim that "reality" is their creation!), says that it is too dangerous for appointed investigators into chemical weapon usage to enter terrorist occupied zones in order to check on the facts [10:08]:

" But experts can't [get there] "

Zakharova responds [10:15]:

" But why can't they get there? Why exactly can't they get there? Is it Damascus saying that they can't go in? "

The US journalist states that Idlib is a "different situation" [10:27]

Zakharova [10:35], who now appears to be somewhat amused by the journalist's line of thought:

" So what, then, is the logic? If there is no security there, then we can make binding resolutions that are based on absolutely nothing at all? Is that correct? But that's well, that's well that's some kind of madness! "

The journalist then repeats that it still is very difficult, very dangerous, to enter the combat zones.

Zakharova replies [10:55]"

" So let's go to plan B - Colin Powell with a test-tube! Do I understand you correctly? If it's too dangerous to go there, then let's make decisions based on absolutely falsified grounds. But from our point of view, they have no basis upon which an objective opinion can be decided ".

Zakhorova then goes on to rip the US journalist's contentions apart in a manner vastly different to the way in which the US spokeswoman, Nauert, dealt with the journalist in Washington, who posed questions that she openly sneered and smirked at, as can be seen at the beginning of the clip.

Nauert , by the way, who is a former member of the Council on Foreign Relations , is married to Scott Norby, an investment banker who works at Goldman Sachs.

She is also employed by Fox News, FFS!

[Jun 14, 2017] The Saudi War Against Qatar by Justin Raimondo

Notable quotes:
"... Which leads us to a larger question: who benefits? Clearly both the Saudis and the Israelis – whose semi-clandestine alliance has been documented in this space – had everything to gain from this intra-Arab spat. United by fear and hatred of Iran, Riyadh and Tel Aviv have been quietly cooperating to unite the Sunni Arabs against Iran – and draw the United States into open conflict with Tehran. Both abhorred and denounced the Iran deal, and are seeking to actively undermine it: that's another item at the top of the FDD/UAE meet up. ..."
"... Another factor is the relationship between Mr. Al-Taiba and Jared Kushner, Trump's son-in-law and a powerful figure in the administration: the ambassador has been described as Kushner's " mentor " when it comes to schooling him on all matters Middle Eastern. Kushner, for his part, is a strong advocate for Israel. ..."
"... There are no innocents, no "good guys" in this part of the world: the reality is that all of these Middle Eastern actors have been subsidizing terrorist outfits, in Syria and elsewhere. The Saudis are perhaps the worst offenders : their worldwide network of radical Wahabist mosques and "educational" outfits has been pushing a terrorist agenda for decades. ..."
"... The UAE has also been a lucrative source of funding for radical Islamic terrorism, notably in Afghanistan and Pakistan . And while Qatar has not been stingy in this regard, its stance has been notably non-sectarian: while they've given support to the Muslim Brotherhood – perhaps the least radical Sunni organization – they are also capable of sending official congratulations to recently re-elected Iranian President Hassan Rouhani. ..."
"... This is their great "sin" in the eyes of the Saudi-led Sunni Axis: they have tried to mediate the Sunni-Shi'ite religious war, which threatens the entire region with the kind of bloody turmoil that occasioned Europe's Thirty Years' War between Catholics and Protestants. ..."
"... The crazy notion that Iran is the world's leading exporter of terrorism is a page right out of the Israeli-Saudi playbook ..."
"... The Saudi-Qatari conflict has all the hallmarks of a joint Saudi-Israeli operation, complete with cyber-hacking, a full-scale propaganda war, and a clueless Uncle Sam stupidly falling for a brazen deception. What's amazing is that, despite the plethora of evidence that the whole thing is a pretty transparent put up job, the usual suspects continue to get away with it. ..."
www.moonofalabama.org

Despite the Qataris' claim – since verified by the FBI, according to Qatar's foreign minister – that the Qatar News Agency site had been hacked, and that the Emir had given no such speech, both the Saudis and the UAkE, through their official media outlets, launched a campaign targeting Qatar. Overflight rights were revoked: diplomatic contacts ended: Qatar citizens were forbidden to enter Saudi/UAE territory even to change planes. And in a public statement delivered in the rose garden of the White House President Trump clearly sided with the Saudi/UAE consortium, complementing a series of remarkably stupid tweets that basically said the same thing.

The US news media managed to get a Russian angle on all this, claiming that "Russian hackers" were behind the targeting of the Qatar News Agency: as usual they offered no evidence for this assertion. Yet just who was behind this hacking incident seems crucial to understanding the real genesis of – and motive behind – the Qatar controversy, which could augur a new regional crisis possibly dragging in Iran.

So let's look at the timeline in the context of yet another hacking incident, this one involving the hotmail account of Yousef Al-Otaiba, the UAE's well-connected ambassador to the US. The Saudi-Qatari conflict has all the hallmarks of a joint Saudi-Israeli operation, complete with cyber-hacking, a full-scale propaganda war, and a clueless Uncle Sam stupidly falling for a brazen deception. What's amazing is that, despite the plethora of evidence that the whole thing is a pretty transparent put up job, the usual suspects continue to get away with it. he hackers, who call themselves "GlobalLeaks," released a tranche of emails between Al-Taiba and individuals connected to the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies (FDD). The Foundation is a pro-Israel thinktank originally called "Emet: An Educational Initiative, Inc.," founded in 2001 by a group of pro-Israel billionaires and designed to blunt growing American sympathy for the Palestinians. FDD has since expanded its mission, under chief honcho Clifford May, to encompass a full-scale projection of Israeli propaganda in the US. The Otaiba-FDD emails reveal extensive cooperation between the ostensibly ultra-Islamic UAE – which, like its Saudi allies and much of the Arab world, has never recognized the state of Israel - and the staunchly Zionist FDD. (See some of the emails here, here, here, and here.) A great deal of the back and forth is between FDD general counsel and former Bush era National Security Advisor John Hannah and Mr. Al-Otaiba.

The emails detail FDD's efforts to show Al-Otaiba that UAE companies doing business with Iran need to be sanctioned: a "target list" is included. The correspondence also details plans for a June 11-14 meeting with FDD personnel and UAE political and military officials, including the ambassador, FDD CEO Mark Dubowitz, and former US defense secretary Robert Gates. And most significantly, on the agenda was "discussion of possible U.S./UAE policies to positively impact Iranian internal situation" including "political, economic, military, intelligence, and cyber tools" designed to "contain and defeat Iranian aggression."

Hmmmm "cyber tools," eh?

Now add to the timeline this reporting by the New York Times:

"[T]hree days after the Trump meeting in Riyadh, the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies held a conference in Washington dedicated to criticism of Qatar, titled 'Qatar and the Muslim Brotherhood's Global Affiliates.'

"Robert M. Gates, the former defense secretary and a friend of Mr. Otaiba, gave the keynote. Attendees included many of the authors of the critical op-ed articles and senior Obama administration officials. Organizers encouraged Mr. Otaiba to attend, and his staff sent Abu Dhabi, the Emirati capital, a detailed report.

"No representative of Qatar was invited. The hack of the Qatari news agency took place after midnight that night."

What a coincidence!

As this piece in the Washington Post puts it, the speculation that "Russian hackers" under Russian state control are behind the Qatar hack is "unlikely." Emails from the hackers bearing Russian "(.ru) addresses seem designed to put detectives off the trail. The Post piece avers that hackers-for-hire were the responsible parties, but the question is: who were they working for?

Which leads us to a larger question: who benefits? Clearly both the Saudis and the Israelis – whose semi-clandestine alliance has been documented in this space – had everything to gain from this intra-Arab spat. United by fear and hatred of Iran, Riyadh and Tel Aviv have been quietly cooperating to unite the Sunni Arabs against Iran – and draw the United States into open conflict with Tehran. Both abhorred and denounced the Iran deal, and are seeking to actively undermine it: that's another item at the top of the FDD/UAE meet up.

Another factor is the relationship between Mr. Al-Taiba and Jared Kushner, Trump's son-in-law and a powerful figure in the administration: the ambassador has been described as Kushner's "mentor" when it comes to schooling him on all matters Middle Eastern. Kushner, for his part, is a strong advocate for Israel.

There are no innocents, no "good guys" in this part of the world: the reality is that all of these Middle Eastern actors have been subsidizing terrorist outfits, in Syria and elsewhere. The Saudis are perhaps the worst offenders: their worldwide network of radical Wahabist mosques and "educational" outfits has been pushing a terrorist agenda for decades.

The UAE has also been a lucrative source of funding for radical Islamic terrorism, notably in Afghanistan and Pakistan. And while Qatar has not been stingy in this regard, its stance has been notably non-sectarian: while they've given support to the Muslim Brotherhood – perhaps the least radical Sunni organization – they are also capable of sending official congratulations to recently re-elected Iranian President Hassan Rouhani.

This is their great "sin" in the eyes of the Saudi-led Sunni Axis: they have tried to mediate the Sunni-Shi'ite religious war, which threatens the entire region with the kind of bloody turmoil that occasioned Europe's Thirty Years' War between Catholics and Protestants.

The idea that Qatar is solely responsible for the growth and development of Middle Eastern terrorism is laughable on its face: that narrative simply won't stand even the most careless scrutiny. And the proposition that Saudi Arabia is any kind of anti-terrorist bulwark is a cruel joke. That the Trump administration is taking this line is absolutely criminal: it amounts to appeasing and succoring the epicenter of radical Islamic terrorism.

The crazy notion that Iran is the world's leading exporter of terrorism is a page right out of the Israeli-Saudi playbook: for the Trump administration to echo this nonsense contradicts the facts and contravenes American interests in the region. For it is the Saudis who have been funding and arming ISIS, and al-Qaeda, in Syria. And the Israelis have openly proclaimed their preference for ISIS over Syrian strongman Bashar al-Assad. It is radical Sunni fundamentalists, not pro-Iranian Shi'ites, who have been conducting a global jihad against American and European targets. Iran is fighting ISIS in Syria – while the US in bombing Syrian government troops, the main obstacle to the ISIS/al-Qaeda forces.

The Saudi-Qatari conflict has all the hallmarks of a joint Saudi-Israeli operation, complete with cyber-hacking, a full-scale propaganda war, and a clueless Uncle Sam stupidly falling for a brazen deception. What's amazing is that, despite the plethora of evidence that the whole thing is a pretty transparent put up job, the usual suspects continue to get away with it.

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[Jun 10, 2017] Comey and Mueller Russiagates Mythical Heroes

Notable quotes:
"... Mueller was even okay with the CIA conducting torture programs after his own agents warned against participation. Agents were simply instructed not to document such torture, and any "war crimes files" were made to disappear. Not only did "collect it all" surveillance and torture programs continue, but Mueller's (and then Comey's) FBI later worked to prosecute NSA and CIA whistleblowers who revealed these illegalities. ..."
"... Mueller didn't speak the truth about a war he knew to be unjustified. He didn't speak out against torture. He didn't speak out against unconstitutional surveillance. And he didn't tell the truth about 9/11. He is just "their man." ..."
"... Since Mueller was apparently appointed at least in part as a result of Comey's leak, and no evidence has been shown of the phony Russia charges despite months of possibly extra-legal digging, Mueller's appointment should be cancelled and his office liquidated if that can be done in some fashion. If not, may be he should show more integrity than has heretofore been the case and liquidate the office himself. ..."
"... My old San Fran days memory recalls that "liberal" Democrat Diane Feinstein nominated neo-nazi Republican Mueller to US Attorney for N. California. I recall some thought because her husband was under investigation for a corrupt arms deal. That's just my memory ..."
"... So Clinton's odd lesbian Attorney General helped boost a Republican to greater powers. ..."
"... He was referring specifically to a widely publicized Sept. 14 statement in which he offered assurances - later proved to be false - that the bureau had no warning that terrorists might be training in American flight schools. On Sept. 17, Mr. Mueller went further, saying he knew of "no warning signs" of any sort of attack. ..."
"... Senator Charles E. Grassley, an Iowa Republican who is on the Judiciary Committee, said his staff investigators would explore the accusations made by the Minneapolis agent, Coleen Rowley, that Mr. Mueller and other senior F.B.I. officials had intentionally shaded the truth about the investigation last summer of Zacarias Moussaoui." ..."
"... To summarize, we have a "Republican" from Northern California nominated by a "liberal" Democrat to become part of the Clinton "Justice" department who played a key role as FBI Director to cover 9-11. He now reappears from the grave with great praise from Democrats openly plotting to overthrow President Trump to investigate absurdly silly things like speaking to Russian diplomats. Let us recall Trump openly expressed doubts about the 9-11 twin towers ruse on 9-11! ..."
"... The 911 cover up team is now about to take President Trump down over yet another false flag, and this team would include the leadership of both parties. How convenient that the Democrats are doing the dirty work so that Fox News and the rest can now engage in covering up the Republicans' behind-the-scenes role in all this. ..."
"... March 07, 2017 CIA Leak: "Russian Election Hackers" May Work In Langley ..."
"... Attribution of cyber-intrusions and attacks is nearly impossible. A well executed attack can not be traced back to its culprit. If there are some trails that seem attributable one should be very cautions following them. They are likely faked. ..."
"... Although many details are still hazy because of secrecy – and further befogged by politics – it appears House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes was informed last week about invasive electronic surveillance of senior U.S. government officials and, in turn, passed that information onto President Trump. ..."
"... The 9/11 myth is a multi-layered deception. Those within the kosher parameters of the 9/11 cult include the following: ..."
Jun 10, 2017 | www.unz.com

Mainstream commentators display amnesia when they describe former FBI Directors Robert Mueller and James Comey as stellar and credible law enforcement figures. Perhaps if they included J. Edgar Hoover, such fulsome praise could be put into proper perspective.

Although these Hoover successors, now occupying center stage in the investigation of President Trump, have been hailed for their impeccable character by much of Official Washington, the truth is, as top law enforcement officials of the George W. Bush Administration (Mueller as FBI Director and James Comey as Deputy Attorney General), both presided over post-9/11 cover-ups and secret abuses of the Constitution, enabled Bush-Cheney fabrications used to launch wrongful wars, and exhibited plain vanilla incompetence.

TIME Magazine would probably have not called my own disclosures a " bombshell memo " to the Joint Intelligence Committee Inquiry in May 2002 if it had not been for Mueller's having so misled everyone after 9/11. Although he bore no personal responsibility for intelligence failures before the attack, since he only became FBI Director a week before, Mueller denied or downplayed the significance of warnings that had poured in yet were all ignored or mishandled during the Spring and Summer of 2001.

Bush Administration officials had circled the wagons and refused to publicly own up to what the 9/11 Commission eventually concluded, "that the system had been blinking red ." Failures to read, share or act upon important intelligence, which a FBI agent witness termed " criminal negligence " in later trial testimony, were therefore not fixed in a timely manner. (Some failures were never fixed at all.)

Worse, Bush and Cheney used that post 9/11 period of obfuscation to "roll out" their misbegotten "war on terror," which only served to exponentially increase worldwide terrorism .

Unfulfilled Promise

I wanted to believe Director Mueller when he expressed some regret in our personal meeting the night before we both testified to the Senate Judiciary Committee. He told me he was seeking improvements and that I should not hesitate to contact him if I ever witnessed a similar situation to what was behind the FBI's pre 9/11 failures.

A few months later, when it appeared he was acceding to Bush-Cheney's ginning up intelligence to launch the unjustified, counterproductive and illegal war on Iraq, I took Mueller up on his offer, emailing him my concerns in late February 2003. Mueller knew, for instance, that Vice President Dick Cheney's claims connecting 9/11 to Iraq were bogus yet he remained quiet. He also never responded to my email.

Beyond ignoring politicized intelligence, Mueller bent to other political pressures. In the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks, Mueller directed the " post 9/11 round-up " of about 1,000 immigrants who mostly happened to be in the wrong place (the New York City area) at the wrong time. FBI Headquarters encouraged more and more detentions for what seemed to be essentially P.R. purposes. Field offices were required to report daily the number of detentions in order to supply grist for FBI press releases about FBI "progress" in fighting terrorism. Consequently, some of the detainees were brutalized and jailed for up to a year despite the fact that none turned out to be terrorists .

A History of Failure

Long before he became FBI Director, serious questions existed about Mueller's role as Acting U.S. Attorney in Boston in effectively enabling decades of corruption and covering up of the FBI's illicit deals with mobster Whitey Bulger and other "top echelon" informants who committed numerous murders and crimes. When the truth was finally uncovered through intrepid investigative reporting and persistent, honest judges, U.S. taxpayers footed a $100 million court award to the four men framed for murders committed by (the FBI-operated) Bulger gang.

Current media applause omits the fact that former FBI Director Mueller was the top official in charge of the Anthrax terror fiasco investigation into those 2001 murders , which targeted an innocent man (Steven Hatfill) whose lawsuit eventually forced the FBI to pay $5 million in compensation. Mueller's FBI was also severely criticized by Department of Justice Inspector Generals finding the FBI overstepped the law improperly serving hundreds of thousands of "national security letters" to obtain private (and irrelevant) metadata on citizens, and for infiltrating nonviolent anti-war groups under the guise of investigating "terrorism."

For his part, Deputy Attorney General James Comey , too, went along with the abuses of Bush and Cheney after 9/11 and signed off on a number of highly illegal programs including warrantless surveillance of Americans and torture of captives . Comey also defended the Bush Administration's three-year-long detention of an American citizen without charges or right to counsel.

Up to the March 2004 night in Attorney General John Ashcroft's hospital room, both Comey and Mueller were complicit with implementing a form of martial law, perpetrated via secret Office of Legal Counsel memos mainly written by John Yoo and predicated upon Yoo's singular theories of absolute "imperial" or "war presidency" powers, and requiring Ashcroft every 90 days to renew certification of a "state of emergency."

The Comey/Mueller Myth

What's not well understood is that Comey's and Mueller's joint intervention to stop Bush's men from forcing the sick Attorney General to sign the certification that night was a short-lived moment. A few days later, they all simply went back to the drawing board to draft new legal loopholes to continue the same (unconstitutional) surveillance of Americans.

The mythology of this episode, repeated endlessly throughout the press, is that Comey and Mueller did something significant and lasting in that hospital room. They didn't. Only the legal rationale for their unconstitutional actions was tweaked.

Mueller was even okay with the CIA conducting torture programs after his own agents warned against participation. Agents were simply instructed not to document such torture, and any "war crimes files" were made to disappear. Not only did "collect it all" surveillance and torture programs continue, but Mueller's (and then Comey's) FBI later worked to prosecute NSA and CIA whistleblowers who revealed these illegalities.

ORDER IT NOW

Neither Comey nor Mueller - who are reported to be " joined at the hip " - deserve their current lionization among politicians and mainstream media. Instead of Jimmy Stewart-like "G-men" with reputations for principled integrity, the two close confidants and collaborators merely proved themselves, along with former CIA Director George "Slam Dunk" Tenet, reliably politicized sycophants, enmeshing themselves in a series of wrongful abuses of power along with official incompetence.

It seems clear that based on his history and close "partnership" with Comey, called "one of the closest working relationships the top ranks of the Justice Department have ever seen," Mueller was chosen as Special Counsel not because he has integrity but because he will do what the powerful want him to do.

Mueller didn't speak the truth about a war he knew to be unjustified. He didn't speak out against torture. He didn't speak out against unconstitutional surveillance. And he didn't tell the truth about 9/11. He is just "their man."

Coleen Rowley , a retired FBI special agent and division legal counsel whose May 2002 memo to then-FBI Director Robert Mueller exposed some of the FBI's pre-9/11 failures, was named one of TIME magazine's "Persons of the Year" in 2002. Her 2003 letter to Robert Mueller in opposition to launching the Iraq War is archived in full text on the NYT and her 2013 op-ed entitled " Questions for the FBI Nominee " was published on the day of James Comey's confirmation hearing. This piece will also be cross-posted on Rowley's Huffington Post page.

Dan Hayes June 9, 2017 at 3:46 am GMT

As Colleen Rowley has so thoroughly and unequivocally demonstrated here, both Comey and Mueller are living examples of the Peter Principle (that managers rise to the level of their incompetence).

exiled off mainstreet Show Comment Next New Comment June 9, 2017 at 4:24 am GMT

According to Jonathan Turley, one of the best and most respected legal experts, Comey may have violated the law using his professor friend to leak what he thought was an incriminating memorandum documenting Trump's "hope" that he would lay off Flynn because Flynn was a "good guy." Even torture advocate Dershowitz, who, for his obvious faults, is a talented lawyer, indicates that it is preposterous to call this "obstruction of justice" when Trump had the power to pardon anybody. Meanwhile, the fact that Comey didn't find it necessary to document his interrogation of the harpy on the "matter" of her email server reveals that he seemed totally willing for justice to be obstructed in a more obvious fashion if he was on board with those doing the obstructing. It also came out that some of his testimony today appears to contradict statements he made under oath to Senator Grassley in a hearing dated May 3.

Since Mueller was apparently appointed at least in part as a result of Comey's leak, and no evidence has been shown of the phony Russia charges despite months of possibly extra-legal digging, Mueller's appointment should be cancelled and his office liquidated if that can be done in some fashion. If not, may be he should show more integrity than has heretofore been the case and liquidate the office himself.

Bill Jones Show Comment Next New Comment June 9, 2017 at 5:18 am GMT

Excellent piece. Not a dam word I can find fault with.

Carlton Meyer Website Show Comment Next New Comment June 9, 2017 at 5:31 am GMT

My old San Fran days memory recalls that "liberal" Democrat Diane Feinstein nominated neo-nazi Republican Mueller to US Attorney for N. California. I recall some thought because her husband was under investigation for a corrupt arms deal. That's just my memory

There are now lots of current news stories of Feinstein and open coup plotter Schumer excited about Muller's appointment to convict Trump for something. This from her own website:

https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?id=FEA7C76A-E029-49AF-98F2-5446AABFAD22

May 17 2017

Washington-Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) today released the following statement on the appointment of former FBI Director Robert Mueller as special counsel: "The appointment of Bob Mueller as special counsel for the Russia investigation is a good first step to get to the bottom of the many questions we have about Russian interference in our election and possible ties to the president.

"Bob was a fine U.S. attorney, a great FBI director and there's no better person who could be asked to perform this function. He is respected, he is talented and he has the knowledge and ability to do the right thing."

I did find this from 1998:

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/U-S-Attorney-Yamaguchi-Announces-Resignation-3000301.php

"In announcing his resignation, Yamaguchi said Attorney General Janet Reno will appoint Robert Mueller, a former federal prosecutor in San Francisco, as interim U.S. attorney. He is currently chief of the homicide division at the U.S. attorney's office in Washington, D.C. Mueller has spent almost his entire career as a federal prosecutor, doing both civil and criminal work in the San Francisco district and then moving to the U.S. attorney's office in Boston. He eventually joined the Justice Department, where he was an assistant attorney general in charge of the criminal division."

So Clinton's odd lesbian Attorney General helped boost a Republican to greater powers.

Mueller went on to play key roles in the PanAm Lockerbie coverup and the 9-11 ruse, despite this:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/692291/posts

"Mr. Mueller's credibility was harshly attacked in a letter made public last weekend in which a Minneapolis agent said the F.B.I. director was engaged in a public relations campaign "to protect the F.B.I. at all costs" after Sept. 11. But they said a review of his public remarks about the Sept. 11 investigation had raised uncomfortable questions about the F.B.I. director's credibility and about his ability to gather accurate information from his deputies."

In a news conference on Wednesday that amounted to a painful mea culpa for the bureau and for his performance in the nine months since he took over the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Mr. Mueller said, "I have made mistakes occasionally in my public comments based on information or a lack of information that I subsequently got."

He was referring specifically to a widely publicized Sept. 14 statement in which he offered assurances - later proved to be false - that the bureau had no warning that terrorists might be training in American flight schools. On Sept. 17, Mr. Mueller went further, saying he knew of "no warning signs" of any sort of attack.

Senator Charles E. Grassley, an Iowa Republican who is on the Judiciary Committee, said his staff investigators would explore the accusations made by the Minneapolis agent, Coleen Rowley, that Mr. Mueller and other senior F.B.I. officials had intentionally shaded the truth about the investigation last summer of Zacarias Moussaoui."

To summarize, we have a "Republican" from Northern California nominated by a "liberal" Democrat to become part of the Clinton "Justice" department who played a key role as FBI Director to cover 9-11. He now reappears from the grave with great praise from Democrats openly plotting to overthrow President Trump to investigate absurdly silly things like speaking to Russian diplomats. Let us recall Trump openly expressed doubts about the 9-11 twin towers ruse on 9-11!

Yes, all corruption in DC eventually becomes a 9-11 thread.

DanCT Show Comment Next New Comment June 9, 2017 at 12:13 pm GMT

The 911 cover up team is now about to take President Trump down over yet another false flag, and this team would include the leadership of both parties. How convenient that the Democrats are doing the dirty work so that Fox News and the rest can now engage in covering up the Republicans' behind-the-scenes role in all this.

Also, Colleen Rowley mentions that Meuller ignored his FBI agents' warnings about not going along with CIA torture overseas, yet there is reason to believe that FBI agents were in fact sent overseas to coordinate this activity with the CIA and Mossad.

Agent76 Show Comment Next New Comment June 9, 2017 at 12:51 pm GMT

March 07, 2017 CIA Leak: "Russian Election Hackers" May Work In Langley

Attribution of cyber-intrusions and attacks is nearly impossible. A well executed attack can not be traced back to its culprit. If there are some trails that seem attributable one should be very cautions following them. They are likely faked.

http://www.4thmedia.org/2017/03/cia-leak-russian-election-hackers-may-work-in-langley/

Agent76 Show Comment Next New Comment June 9, 2017 at 12:55 pm GMT

Aug 8, 2016 "I want to scare Assad" Mike Morell on Charlie Rose

Mike Morell, former deputy director of the CIA, discusses the need to put pressure on Syria and Russia. The full conversation airs on PBS on August 8th, 2016.

MarkinLA Show Comment Next New Comment June 9, 2017 at 2:02 pm GMT

I need to leak a memo (actually my own interpretation of what happened after the fact) to counter any possible lies Trump might say just in case Trump produces a tape of the meeting.

What is wrong with this sentence?

Che Guava Show Comment Next New Comment June 9, 2017 at 3:37 pm GMT

This was an interesting article.

Counterpunch does publish many interesting articles, once upon a time, I was to considering subscription to the print edition, but no credit card, and the 80 to 90% idiocy on the site, The article at the link below is not unrepresentative, though it is at the bottom end of the scale.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/06/09/lessons-from-portlands-clashes-with-fascists

Agent76 Show Comment Next New Comment June 9, 2017 at 5:54 pm GMT

March 31, 2017 The Surveillance State Behind Russia-Gate

Although many details are still hazy because of secrecy – and further befogged by politics – it appears House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes was informed last week about invasive electronic surveillance of senior U.S. government officials and, in turn, passed that information onto President Trump.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-surveillance-state-behind-russia-gate/5582211

Jan 2, 2017 CNN Caught Using Video Game Image In Fake Russian Hacking Story

It looks like CNN Has tried to pull the wool over our eyes once again. This time, they used a screenshot from the Fallout 4 Video game to paint the picture of Russian Hacking. To bad that's not what a real hacking screen looks like. And an image you will only find in the video game! Nice Try Clinton News Network!

Agent76 Show Comment Next New Comment June 9, 2017 at 6:10 pm GMT

@Che Guava This is another good read Che Guava. November 07, 2016 FBI Director James Comey: Hillary Should Not Face Criminal Charges

But Who Conducted the Investigation? FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe Whose Wife Received $467,500. FBI Director James Comey (image left) decided to issue a report two days before the November election confirming that there is no evidence of wrongdoing on the part of Hillary in relation to the recent release of 650,000 Emails on October 28th.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/fbi-director-james-comey-no-evidence-of-hillary-wrong-doing-but-who-conducted-the-investigation-fbi-deputy-director-andrew-mccabe-bribed-whose-wife-received-467000/5555398

Agent76 Show Comment Next New Comment June 9, 2017 at 6:13 pm GMT

@Carlton Meyer This a very good read on the 9/11 event. September 07, 2016 September 11, 2001: The 15th Anniversary of the Crime and Cover-up of the Century "What Really Happened"?

New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani to be trucked away and shipped to China – an order that constitutes disturbing a crime scene – which is a federal crime.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/september-11-2001-the-15th-anniversary-of-the-crime-and-cover-up-of-the-century/5544414

Julius Evola Show Comment Next New Comment June 9, 2017 at 6:14 pm GMT

Get a life!

Anonymous Show Comment Next New Comment June 9, 2017 at 11:15 pm GMT

@MarkinLA I need to leak a memo (actually my own interpretation of what happened after the fact) to counter any possible lies Trump might say just in case Trump produces a tape of the meeting.

What is wrong with this sentence? Actually what is right about your post ia that it draws attention to the likelihood that the President would have recordings of all such conversations (not ones when he says "come for a walk with me while I stretch my legs in the garden") and that, anyway, a canny fellow like Comey would assume so and, accordingly, make notes immediately afterwards to ensure that he was right on all the key points. Which all leads to the conclusion that recordings would bear out Comey.

Priss Factor Show Comment Next New Comment June 9, 2017 at 11:18 pm GMT

Deep State messes up and sheeple run wild.

Anonymous Show Comment Next New Comment June 9, 2017 at 11:34 pm GMT

@Agent76 As a big factor in Comey's thinking just before the election when new material possibly pertinent to Clinton's irregullarities came to FBI attention would have been his own self interest it seems reasonable to suppose that both his embarrassment of Clinton by his communication to Congress and his exoneration of her were part of a process which began with "how bad could it be for me if Clinton wins [as I sulppose she will] and something really bad turns up from the investigation of the emails?". Then, given it was true, the exonerating statement is a no brainer (he restores his position as well as he can with Clinton in case she wins and he inly diminishes his credit with Trump slightly if Trumo wins).

Mulegino1 Show Comment Next New Comment June 10, 2017 at 1:24 am GMT

The 9/11 myth is a multi-layered deception. Those within the kosher parameters of the 9/11 cult include the following:

Robert Muller's role has nothing to do with being an impartial prosecutor but about being a "fixer" in proper Washingtonian parlance. He was probably brought into the FBI to insure a foreordained "slam dunk" verdict that 19 Arab amateur pilots hijacked 4 airliners led by a deathly ill man living in a cave, performed miraculous feats of aviation which would have made Waldo Pepper envious and violated the laws of physics all in one day. Now he is serving another purpose for his string pullers in the deep state by torpedoing Trump.

As Conan-Doyle wrote, "Whenever you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."

Office fires, nor jet fuel, nor building collapses or aircraft impacts will not cause hundreds of thousands of tons of structural steel and concrete to undergo molecular dissociation and turn into dust clouds. They generally do not cause the metal components of vehicles in the vicinity to be destroyed while their non-metallic components remain intact. Neither will conventional explosives or even nano-thermite. The destruction of WTC 1, WTC 2 and the core of WTC 6 was not caused by any of these things alone. WTC 7 may have been a case of conventional controlled demolition, but the idea that it experienced universal failure and collapsed into its footprint because of "raging fires" is too stupid for words.

It is O'Brien holding up the three fingers and torturing Winston into seeing two – except that a good part of our public accepts their masters' voice willingly and enthusiastically, even today in 2017.

geokat62 Show Comment Next New Comment June 10, 2017 at 2:20 am GMT

@Mulegino1

The 9/11 myth is a multi-layered deception. Those within the kosher parameters of the 9/11 cult include the following:

Not sure anyone would accuse Philip Giraldi (former counter-terrorism specialist and military intelligence officer of the CIA) of someone who is "within the kosher parameters of the 9/11 cult":

If there had been such a gathering, I would imagine that the Washington Post would have found out about it on the next day as intelligence officers are gregarious and like to talk. This has been my principal problem with the debate in some quarters about the 9/11 Commission. Their report did indeed miss many important angles in order to protect certain governmental interests, but if there had been a genuine conspiracy involving what must have been hundreds of people to demolish the Twin Towers with explosives, it surely would have leaked long ago .

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/do-high-level-leaks-suggest-a-conspiracy/

[Jun 08, 2017] Remembering the U.S.S. Liberty by Philip Giraldi

Notable quotes:
"... There has been a lot of media coverage mostly written by Israelis or American Jews regarding Israel's "victory" fifty years ago during the so-called Six Days War directed against its Arab neighbors but I have yet to see an account that mentions the fate of the U.S.S. Liberty . ..."
"... The Liberty survivors who will be present in Arlington on Thursday will be fewer than usual because the crew is having its own 50 th anniversary commemoration in Norfolk, Virginia, home of the U.S. Atlantic fleet. In truth the attack on the U.S.S. Liberty by Israeli warplanes and torpedo boats on June 8, 1967, has almost faded from memory, with a younger generation completely unaware that a United States naval vessel was once deliberately targeted and nearly sunk by America's "greatest friend and ally" Israel. The attack was followed by a cover-up that demonstrated clearly that at least one president of the United States even back nearly fifty years ago valued his relationship with the state of Israel above his loyalty to his own country. ..."
"... The entire 6-day war was a particularly brutal and unprovoked attack by Israel against Egypt and other Arab states. Just as the Israeli government lied about the attack on the Liberty, they lied about being attacked by Egypt. When are the US populatation going to say enough and force the US government to stop supporting this mendacious, duplicious and brutal apartheid artificial Zionist colony in the Middle East? Today, 6/5 the Senate passed a unanimous resolution to move the US Embassy to Jerusalem immediately. Trunp is still delaying. But for how long? ..."
"... A few years ago, the Israeli pilot who led the attack on the USS Liberty was interviewed by the Jerusalem post. He said the sailers were lucky he didn't have bombs on board, otherwise he would have sunk it. ..."
"... That always seemed an odd aspect of the story to me. If it were a deliberate attack, why leave survivors? Why not sink it? This wasn't the Yamamoto, for heaven's sake. It probably wouldn't have taken more than one direct it from a 2000 pound bomb to sink it. there is no shortage of hocus pocus amongst the great powers of the day.british officers sending Australian troops to there death at Gallipoli is another example ..."
"... It was a failed false flag; the purpose of which: to incriminate Egypt. The entire plot relied on the total destruction of the Liberty and it's crew: no ship, no crew, no evidence. (The failed false flag hypothesis at least makes some sense of Israeli motives. ..."
"... Which leads to the 2nd point ( harder to demonstrate ) that the highest level of the US Admin KNEW about this or "a" pending false flag attack by the Israelis. The speed - confidence - with which Macnamara calls off the jets, the well oiled cover up later, all, at least, suggest US foreknowledge. US complicity would also help explain why the Israelis weren't that worried about radio traffic ID'ing their fighters. ..."
"... The whole "false flag" thing should be obviously wrong to you all. There is no way Israel ever could have framed Egypt for an attack on a US ship because, like Israel, like every other country then and now, nobody has any incentive to deliberately attack a US ship. Moreover, by the time of the attack, Israel had already won the war, and the USA was already quietly supporting Israel. ..."
"... And as Dave Pinsen pointed out, if Israel had intended to sink the Liberty, it would have done so quite easily. ..."
"... The difference between Pres Eisenhower 1956 and LBJ 1967 is that Eisenhower was independent of Jewish power. LBJ was totally owned by Jews in both foreign policy and domestic policy( 1965 immigration act, 1968 affirmative action act, EEOC, funding all sorts of black militant war on poverty programs, on and on). ..."
"... War unleashed is rarely rational. The '67 War was an audacious gamble for nascent Israel. Raw memories of Ike's humbling restraint in Suez '56 may have been fresh. Why tolerate loose ends that risk defeat? Trust no one. Better to eliminate all unknowns, anything that imperils success. The universal war code: do all that's necessary to win. Eliminate all unknowns. The rest will sort itself out. And so they did (my uneducated guess). ..."
"... Why is there an urgent NEED for a "special prosecutor" to investigate the influence of a foreign power on our political system ,when it 's RUSSIA, ......but No NEED whatsoever , when its King BIBI and Israel? ..."
Jun 08, 2017 | www.unz.com
The 50 year cover-up of a mass murder of U.S. servicemen orchestrated by Israel and its friends Philip Giraldi June 6, 2017 1,600 Words 204 Comments Reply

There has been a lot of media coverage mostly written by Israelis or American Jews regarding Israel's "victory" fifty years ago during the so-called Six Days War directed against its Arab neighbors but I have yet to see an account that mentions the fate of the U.S.S. Liberty .

Nevertheless, the Liberty is not forgotten. This Thursday at noon at Arlington National Cemetery there will be a small gathering for the annual coming together with the survivors and friends of the most decorated ship in the history of the U.S. Navy, a victim of a particularly brutal and unprovoked attack by Israel that has been covered up for half a century by the powers that be in Washington. The moving service will include reminiscences by surviving crew members plus the ringing of a ship's bell for each one of the thirty-four American sailors, Marines and civilians that were killed in the deliberate Israeli air and sea onslaught that sought to sink the intelligence gathering ship and kill all its crew. Present will be a number of veterans like myself and other Americans who are committed to ensuring that the story of the Liberty will not die in hopes that someday the United States government will have the courage to acknowledge what actually happened on that fateful day.

The Liberty survivors who will be present in Arlington on Thursday will be fewer than usual because the crew is having its own 50 th anniversary commemoration in Norfolk, Virginia, home of the U.S. Atlantic fleet. In truth the attack on the U.S.S. Liberty by Israeli warplanes and torpedo boats on June 8, 1967, has almost faded from memory, with a younger generation completely unaware that a United States naval vessel was once deliberately targeted and nearly sunk by America's "greatest friend and ally" Israel. The attack was followed by a cover-up that demonstrated clearly that at least one president of the United States even back nearly fifty years ago valued his relationship with the state of Israel above his loyalty to his own country.

It was in truth the worst attack ever carried out on a U.S. Naval vessel in peace time. In addition to the death toll, 171 more of the crew were wounded in the two-hour assault, which was clearly intended to destroy the intelligence gathering vessel operating in international waters collecting information on the ongoing fighting between Israel and its Arab neighbors. The Israelis, whose planes had their Star of David markings covered up so Egypt could be blamed, attacked the ship repeatedly from the air and with gunboats from the sea. When one Israeli pilot hesitated, refusing to attack what was clearly an American ship, he was instructed to proceed anyway.

The most disgusting part of the tale relates to how U.S. warplanes sent to the Liberty 's aid from an aircraft carrier in the Mediterranean were called back by Defense Secretary Robert McNamara acting under orders from President Lyndon Baines Johnson, who declared that he would rather see the ship go to the bottom of the sea than embarrass his good friend Israel. Ironically, the first ship to reach the Liberty and offer assistance was from the Soviet Union, an offer that was declined.

Johnson reportedly feared Jewish influence over Congress and in the media, which might work together to block his "Great Society" legislative initiatives, not to mention his expected reelection bid in 1968. It was an early manifestation of the power of the Jewish lobby in American politics and foreign relations. One has to hope that both LBJ and McNamara are currently burning in hell.

The incredible courage and determination of the surviving crew was the only thing that kept the Liberty from sinking. The ship's commanding officer Captain William McGonagle was awarded a Congressional Medal of Honor for his heroic role in keeping the ship afloat, though President Lyndon Baines Johnson broke with tradition and refused to hold the medal ceremony in the White House, also declining to award it personally, delegating that task to the Secretary of the Navy in a closed to the public presentation made at the Washington Navy Yard. The additional medals given to other crew members in the aftermath of the attack made the U.S.S. Liberty the most decorated ship based on a single engagement with hostile forces in the history of the United States Navy.

The cover-up of the attack began immediately. The Liberty crew was sworn to secrecy over the incident, as were the Naval dockyard workers in Malta, and even the men of the U.S.S. Davis , which had assisted the badly damaged Liberty to port were ordered to be silent. A hastily convened and conducted court of inquiry headed by Admiral John McCain acted under orders from Washington to declare the attack a case of mistaken identity. The inquiry's senior legal counsel Captain Ward Boston, who subsequently declared the attack to be a "deliberate effort to sink an American ship and murder its entire crew," also described how "President Lyndon Johnson and Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara ordered him to conclude that the attack was a case of 'mistaken identity' despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary." The court's findings were rewritten and sections relating to Israeli war crimes, to include the machine gunning of life rafts, were excised. Following in his father's footsteps, Senator John McCain of Arizona has used his position on the Senate Armed Services Committee to effectively block any reconvening of a board of inquiry to reexamine the evidence. Most of the documents relating to the Liberty incident have never been released to the public in spite of the 50 years that have passed since the attack took place.

ORDER IT NOW

The faux court of inquiry and the medals awarded in secret were only the first steps in the cover-up, which has persisted to this day, orchestrated by politicians and a media that seem to place Israel's interests ahead of those of the United States. Liberty survivors have been finding it difficult even to make their case in public. In April 2016 a billboard that read "Help the USS Liberty Survivors – Attacked by Israel" was taken down in New Bedford Massachusetts. The billboard had been placed by the Honor Liberty Vets Organization and, as is normal practice, was paid for through a contractual arrangement that would require the billboard company to post the image for a fixed length of time. It was one of a number of billboards placed in different states. Inevitably, Israel's well connected friends began to complain. One Jewish businessman threatened to take his business elsewhere, so the advertising company obligingly removed the billboard two weeks early.

After fifty years, the dwindling number of survivors of the Liberty are not looking for punishment or revenge. When asked, they will tell you that they only ask for accountability, that an impartial inquiry into the attack be convened and that the true story of what took place finally be revealed to the public.

That Congress is deaf to the pleas of the Liberty crew should surprise no one as the nation's legislative body has been for years, as Pat Buchanan once put it, "Israeli occupied territory." The Lobby's ability to force Congress and even the presidency to submit to its will has been spelled out in some detail by critics, first by Paul Findley in They Dare to Speak Out , later by John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt in The Israel Lobby , in Alison Weir's Against Our Better Judgment , and most recently in Kirk Beattie's excellent Congress and the Shaping of the Middle East .

Government willingness at all levels to protect Israel even when it is killing Americans is remarkable, but it is symptom of the deep corruption that has generated a tendency to go to bat for Israel reflexively, even when it is damaging to U.S. interests and to the rights that American citizens are supposed to enjoy. I note particularly legislation currently working its way through Congress and numerous statehouses make it illegal for any federal or state funding to go to any entity that supports the Boycott, Divest and Sanction movement, better known as BDS. BDS is a way to put pressure on the Israeli government over its human rights abuses that is both non-violent and potentially effective. Israel's supporters have labeled BDS as anti-Semitic and have had some success in making any criticism of Israel labeled a "hate crime."

So the treatment of the U.S.S. Liberty should surprise no one in a country whose governing class has been for decades doing the bidding of the powerful lobby of a tiny client state that has been nothing but trouble and expense for the United States of America. Will it ever end? As the Israel Lobby currently controls the relevant parts of the federal government and much of the media, change is not likely to happen overnight, but there are some positive signs. The BDS movement is growing in spite of the pressure it is experiencing and will not go away. And opinion polls suggest that the American people are finally waking up to realize that they are sick and tired of the entire farce playing out in the Middle East under Israeli direction. Israel, which aggressively spies on us, kills our citizens and takes billions of dollars of our tax money which could be better spent here, is no friend of the United States and never has been. Just ask anyone who served on the U.S.S. Liberty .

Joe Franklin June 6, 2017 at 5:46 am GMT

Here's the official USS Liberty survivors website, authored by the Navy servicemen that survived the Israeli attack:

http://www.gtr5.com/

On June 8, 1967, US Navy intelligence ship USS Liberty was suddenly and brutally attacked on the high seas in international waters by the air and naval forces of Israel. The Israeli forces attacked with full knowledge that this was an American ship and lied about it. Survivors have been forbidden for 40 years to tell their story under oath to the American public. The USS Liberty Memorial web site tells their story and is dedicated to the memory of the 34 brave men who died.

The Attack

After surveilling USS Liberty for more than nine hours with almost hourly aircraft overflights and radar tracking, the air and naval forces of Israel attacked our ship in international waters without warning. USS Liberty was identified as a US naval ship by Israeli reconnaissance aircraft nine hours before the attack and continuously tracked by Israeli radar and aircraft thereafter. Sailing in international waters at less than five knots, with no offensive armament, our ship was not a military threat to anyone.

The Israeli forces attacked without warning and without attempting to contact us. Thirty four Americans were killed in the attack and another 174 were wounded. The ship, a $40-million dollar state-of-the-art signals intelligence platform, was later declared unsalvageable and sold for scrap.

The Cover Up

Despite a near-universal consensus that the Israeli attack was made with full knowledge that USS Liberty was a US Navy ship, the Johnson administration began an immediate cover-up of this fact. Though administration officers continued individually to characterize the attack as deliberate, the Johnson administration never sought the prosecution of the guilty parties or otherwise attempted to seek justice for the victims. They concealed and altered evidence in their effort to downplay the attack. Though they never formally accepted the Israeli explanation that it was an accident, they never pressed for a full investigation either. They simply allowed those responsible literally to get away with murder.

In an ongoing effort to reveal the truth about the attack, the USS Liberty Veterans Association has filed with the Secretary of the Army in the manner prescribed by law a detailed, fully documented Report of War Crimes describing the circumstances of the attack on our ship and evidence that it was a crime under international law. In accordance with international law and treaties, the United States is obligated to investigate the allegations. So far, the United States has declined even to acknowledge that the report has been filed. The full text of the report can be found at http://www.gtr5.com/evidence/warcrimes.pdf

RobinG June 6, 2017 at 6:17 am GMT

Yes, the Israelis intentionally attacked the USS Liberty. Whose idea was it?

"That should tell you WE, the USA were expecting an attack and most likely Lyndon Johnson was in on the nefarious plot. So it looks like LBJ told the Israelis go ahead and sink the USS Liberty (miraculously it did not sink) and that will give us a pretext to enter the Six Day War on Israel's side, launch an invasion of Egypt and depose Nassar who the USA did not like and who was too cozy with the USSR. In other words, LBJ was cooking up a Gulf of Tonkin type incident to justify a criminal Middle East war, based on a US sponsored false flag attack."

https://www.amazon.com/Operation-Cyanide-Bombing-Liberty-Nearly/dp/1904132197

Operation Cyanide: How the Bombing of the USS Liberty Nearly Caused World War Three

animalogic June 6, 2017 at 6:22 am GMT

The further I learn about this grotesque, criminal incident the further I strongly suspect two things:
1. It was a failed false flag; the purpose of which: to incriminate Egypt. The entire plot relied on the total destruction of the Liberty and it's crew: no ship, no crew, no evidence. (The failed false flag hypothesis at least makes some sense of Israeli motives. Against this view: the Israelis failed, which may be interpreted as evidence that complete destruction was NOT the goal. Also, it might be thought how could the Israelis be SO stupid as to think, given the length of time from observation to concluded attack, that they could "get away with it"? But again, no ship, no crew, no evidence. The rest is denial and bullshit.)
2. Which leads to the 2nd point ( harder to demonstrate ) that the highest level of the US Admin KNEW about this or "a" pending false flag attack by the Israelis. The speed – confidence – with which Macnamara calls off the jets, the well oiled cover up later, all, at least, suggest US foreknowledge. US complicity would also help explain why the Israelis weren't that worried about radio traffic ID'ing their fighters.
On even the bare facts the Liberty incident represented that even 50 years ago, the US government was in (treasonous ) thrall to a foreign power.

JA139 June 6, 2017 at 6:27 am GMT

a victim of a particularly brutal and unprovoked attack by Israel that has been covered up for half a century by the powers that be in Washington.

The entire 6-day war was a particularly brutal and unprovoked attack by Israel against Egypt and other Arab states. Just as the Israeli government lied about the attack on the Liberty, they lied about being attacked by Egypt. When are the US populatation going to say enough and force the US government to stop supporting this mendacious, duplicious and brutal apartheid artificial Zionist colony in the Middle East?

chris June 6, 2017 at 7:41 am GMT

@mcohen phil .why waste your time.the USS liberty was intercepted by soviet forces spying on communications between Russia and Egypt.it was attacked by aircraft piloted by Russian pilots,
there is no way the USA would directly attack Russian forces in retaliation.it is all about proxy armies doing there bidding. What an ass.

If this is true, why did the Israelis belatedly pay some reparations to the crew? When McNamara ordered a stop to the rescue effort and said he didn't want to shame our ally, was he talking about the Soviet Union? Why, after the fall of the Soviet Union, were the US archives not unsealed in order to exonerate our greatest ally?

BTW, does anyone else on your ward believe your theory?

Ben_C June 6, 2017 at 10:12 am GMT

Phil,

You're missing the big picture here What about Israel's "remarkable restraint" we've been told so much about?

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/381726/tragedy-israel-rand-paul

Greg Bacon Website June 6, 2017 at 10:35 am GMT

After this savage and brutal attack by Israel against an American ship and nothing happened to Israel, they realized that they could now openly attack the USA, while having their MSM blame Muslims, so that Israel could bend and twist our foreign policy to do their bidding.

Which led straight to the 9/11 False Flag, masterminded by Israel, with help from traitors in the WH, the Pentagon, CIA, FBI and NSA. With generous help from the Lying MSM.

http://www.911history.de/aaannxyz_ch11_en.html

America isn't a free nation, we are living under the boot heel of Israeli tyranny.

Lot June 6, 2017 at 10:42 am GMT

Kind of obsessed, huh?

For more Unz.com coverage:

Anonymous June 6, 2017 at 10:46 am GMT

@JA139

a victim of a particularly brutal and unprovoked attack by Israel that has been covered up for half a century by the powers that be in Washington.
The entire 6-day war was a particularly brutal and unprovoked attack by Israel against Egypt and other Arab states. Just as the Israeli government lied about the attack on the Liberty, they lied about being attacked by Egypt. When are the US populatation going to say enough and force the US government to stop supporting this mendacious, duplicious and brutal apartheid artificial Zionist colony in the Middle East? Today, 6/5 the Senate passed a unanimous resolution to move the US Embassy to Jerusalem immediately. Trunp is still delaying. But for how long?
mcohen June 6, 2017 at 11:13 am GMT

@Dave Pinsen Now that's a new conspiracy theory.

A few years ago, the Israeli pilot who led the attack on the USS Liberty was interviewed by the Jerusalem post. He said the sailers were lucky he didn't have bombs on board, otherwise he would have sunk it.

That always seemed an odd aspect of the story to me. If it were a deliberate attack, why leave survivors? Why not sink it? This wasn't the Yamamoto, for heaven's sake. It probably wouldn't have taken more than one direct it from a 2000 pound bomb to sink it. there is no shortage of hocus pocus amongst the great powers of the day.british officers sending Australian troops to there death at Gallipoli is another example

snickity snick
daisy has a dick
standing on the corner
turning a trick

stand in line take your pick
pearls for swine
some are skinny some are thick
bought by the dime

what you see you never get
where fools tread
a slow horse dead bet
on a path easily misled

take out the trash
gather wood for fire
burn the lot to ash
no truth from a liar.

RealAmerican June 6, 2017 at 11:31 am GMT

Once again, Mr. Giraldi demonstrates his profound patriotism, and his stunning courage to speak the truth.

LondonBob June 6, 2017 at 11:52 am GMT

LBJ's links to Israel were very deep and begin much earlier. That connection also explains how he became President.

http://5tjt.com/our-first-jewish-president-lyndon-johnson-an-update/

Interestingly Devin Nunes is tied in with the USS Liberty.

In the award ceremony at the Visalia (California) office of Rep. Devin Nunes, the Republican congressman pinned the Silver Star next to the Purple Heart that Halbardier found in his home mailbox three years ago. Nunes said, "The government has kept this quiet I think for too long, and I felt as my constituent he [Halbardier] needed to get recognized for the services he made to his country."

https://consortiumnews.com/2014/08/17/a-uss-libertys-heros-passing/

n230099 June 6, 2017 at 12:15 pm GMT

Someone sure has a bug-up-their-butt about this. "War" is always a mess. Deal with it we used to throw VC out the huey doors till the last one gave up what we wanted to hear. Now we buy our shirts and shoes from there. The time spent re-living the "Liberty" is time you will "never get back".

Che Guava June 6, 2017 at 12:22 pm GMT

@Dave Pinsen The ship you are thinking of is the Yamato.

Yamamoto was the admiral who reluctantly but to the best of his ability led the attack on Pearl Harbour (very effective and brilliant, except for the mysteriously missing carriers) and various other actions until his later assassination by US presidential order.

A military genius, and he knew what the absence of carriers meant.

Using torpedo boats is equivalent to such a bomb as your pilot described, but the Liberty did not sink before the situation changed enough to make the Israelis back off.

Your pilot sounds like a very poisonous person.

Agent76 June 6, 2017 at 12:44 pm GMT

Jun 8, 2016 USS Liberty - the Real Story - as told by the survivors

Thirdeye June 6, 2017 at 3:12 pm GMT

@Che Guava The ship you are thinking of is the Yamato.

Yamamoto was the admiral who reluctantly but to the best of his ability led the attack on Pearl Harbour (very effective and brilliant, except for the mysteriously missing carriers) and various other actions until his later assassination by US presidential order.

A military genius, and he knew what the absence of carriers meant.

Using torpedo boats is equivalent to such a bomb as your pilot described, but the Liberty did not sink before the situation changed enough to make the Israelis back off.

Your pilot sounds like a very poisonous person. Not that effective or brilliant. The fixation on battleship row was sophomoric. According to Admiral Nimitz, taking out the shore support facilities would have had a much greater impact on the US ability to wage war in the Pacific, forcing the US fleet to base its operations out of San Diego. That would have made it virtually impossible to project US power into the western Pacific during the crucial time in which the battles of the Coral Sea, Midway, and Guadalcanal took place.
The Japanese also had an unrealized opportunity to seize Oahu because the land forces defending it were weak. As it was, most of the damaged ships were salvaged after sitting in the mud and they were facing obsolescence as first line assets with the battleship and carrier building program then underway.

Eagle Eye June 6, 2017 at 3:15 pm GMT

@Joe Franklin Here's the official USS Liberty survivors website, authored by the Navy servicemen that survived the Israeli attack:

http://www.gtr5.com/

On June 8, 1967, US Navy intelligence ship USS Liberty was suddenly and brutally attacked on the high seas in international waters by the air and naval forces of Israel. The Israeli forces attacked with full knowledge that this was an American ship and lied about it. Survivors have been forbidden for 40 years to tell their story under oath to the American public. The USS Liberty Memorial web site tells their story and is dedicated to the memory of the 34 brave men who died.

The Attack

After surveilling USS Liberty for more than nine hours with almost hourly aircraft overflights and radar tracking, the air and naval forces of Israel attacked our ship in international waters without warning. USS Liberty was identified as a US naval ship by Israeli reconnaissance aircraft nine hours before the attack and continuously tracked by Israeli radar and aircraft thereafter. Sailing in international waters at less than five knots, with no offensive armament, our ship was not a military threat to anyone.

The Israeli forces attacked without warning and without attempting to contact us. Thirty four Americans were killed in the attack and another 174 were wounded. The ship, a $40-million dollar state-of-the-art signals intelligence platform, was later declared unsalvageable and sold for scrap.

The Cover Up

Despite a near-universal consensus that the Israeli attack was made with full knowledge that USS Liberty was a US Navy ship, the Johnson administration began an immediate cover-up of this fact. Though administration officers continued individually to characterize the attack as deliberate, the Johnson administration never sought the prosecution of the guilty parties or otherwise attempted to seek justice for the victims. They concealed and altered evidence in their effort to downplay the attack. Though they never formally accepted the Israeli explanation that it was an accident, they never pressed for a full investigation either. They simply allowed those responsible literally to get away with murder.

In an ongoing effort to reveal the truth about the attack, the USS Liberty Veterans Association has filed with the Secretary of the Army in the manner prescribed by law a detailed, fully documented Report of War Crimes describing the circumstances of the attack on our ship and evidence that it was a crime under international law. In accordance with international law and treaties, the United States is obligated to investigate the allegations. So far, the United States has declined even to acknowledge that the report has been filed. The full text of the report can be found at http://www.gtr5.com/evidence/warcrimes.pdf

In an ongoing effort to reveal the truth about the attack, the USS Liberty Veterans Association has filed with the Secretary of the Army in the manner prescribed by law a detailed, fully documented Report of War Crimes describing the circumstances of the attack on our ship and evidence that it was a crime under international law.

With all due respect to the heroic sailors and civilian staff of the USS Liberty – they were sacrificed by the U.S. military to justify a war against Egypt. LBJ wanted war FOR HIS OWN PURPOSES, but apparently later pulled back. So much for the idea of LBJ being an Israeli puppet.

Let's look at a timeline:

October 1956 – March 1957 Great Britain, France and Israel join to retake control of the Suez Canal. Eisenhower administration takes vigorous steps to force all three to retreat from Egypt.

November 24, 1963 – Former (?) CIA agent Lee Harvey Oswald is murdered in LBJ's home state of Texas. Oswald had earlier served as radio operator keeping in touch with Gary Powers during Powers' overflights of the Soviet Union. Powers himself later confirmed this in a book. Powers later died when his helicopter crashed.

Two days earlier, JFK had also been murdered in Texas, clearing the way for LBJ to become president.

August 1964 – LBJ stages the "Gulf of Tonkin" incident to justify all-out U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War.

June 1967 – LBJ and McNamara are kept informed in real time as the U.S. intelligence vessel USS Liberty is attacked and sunk by a combined air/sea attack. U.S. aircraft are scrambled but are recalled on personal orders from McNamara, almost certainly at LBJ's instructions.

The U.S. military command was throughout following the USS Liberty incident in real time through radar, radio, visual surveillance and intelligence sources in Israel and Egypt.

January 1968 – Still not satisfied in his blood lust, LBJ stages yet another incident sacrificing a U.S. intelligence vessel, the USS Pueblo. This time, the aim is to provoke yet another confrontation with North Korea in the middle of the Vietnam war.

CONCLUSION: Johnson wanted war, the more the better. War presents great opportunities for profiteering, and just as importantly, allows an administration to push through policies that would never be tolerated in peacetime.

Fellow Democrats Woodrow Wilson (WW I), FDR (WW II) and Harry Truman (Korea) had shown how it's done.

Z-man

June 6, 2017 at 3:20 pm GMT @n230099

Someone sure has a bug-up-their-butt about this. "War" is always a mess. Deal with it...we used to throw VC out the huey doors till the last one gave up what we wanted to hear. Now we buy our shirts and shoes from there. The time spent re-living the "Liberty" is time you will "never get back". No, the Liberty affair is one of the few 'unadulterated' examples that clearly shows that the Zionists are not our friends! So it must be kept 'alive'!

Greg Maybury

June 6, 2017 at 3:22 pm GMT 200 Words Attention: All UNZ Readers and Commenters

SUBJECT: The Six-Day War and the attempted sinking of the USS Liberty by Israeli Defence Forces

"What did the President Know, and When Did he Know It?"

Feature Article: Of Treachery, Treason, Terror, Truth, and Liberty Forsaken (An American Tale) Part One (Part Two in 2 Days)

http://poxamerikana.com/2017/05/08/of-treachery-treason-terror-truth-and-liberty-forsaken-an-american-tale-part-1/

For those who've not seen my latest article above - the first instalment of a two parter, with the second part due June 8 - I trust you can all find time to read* and if you like what you read, then repost on your respective Facebook TLs, and otherwise circulate, republish, and/or Tweet as you see fit.

Taking my cue from Phil Nelson's new book, Remember the Liberty: Almost Sunk by Treason on the High Seas but incorporating numerous other sources, my comprehensive analysis and commentary on the Liberty tragedy and the Six-Day War in which it took place is I believe one of the most important topics I've attempted to cover. The real backstory behind both of these events is one that has rarely if ever been explored - much less exposed - in such depth. As a heads up, there is one especially shocking revelation (to be revealed in Part 2), that will test most folks ability to cope with cognitive dissonance. It changes the narrative completely.

SolontoCroesus June 6, 2017 at 3:22 pm GMT

@Quartermaster The Liberty incident was not covered up. It was investigated and the problem was that 6th Fleet HQ had informed the Israelis we did not have any ships in the region. Flying a false flag is not illegal under international law, as long as the ship is not engaged in hostilities.

Israel admitted their mistake and paid reparations. Giraldi is simply promulgating a conspiracy theory. yes yes indeed, it was all a tragic mistake.

we know this because once the mistake was recognized (and the Israeli pilots had changed out of their orgasm-soaked panties), Israel rushed to aid the survivors of the Liberty. Riiiight.

Among the dozen-and-a-half stupid and mendacious things Finkelstein says in the second part of the interview with the painfully p-a-t-i-e-n-t Aaron Mate (make that, Mat – ay, kinda like Benjamin Ni-tay / Netanyahu/Milikovsky) is that "Israel became an asset to USA." http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/remembering-the-u-s-s-liberty-2/#comment-1896678

He got it ass backward: LBJ was an asset of the Israelis

(see Jeff Gates's explication of how the "transgenerational criminal syndicate" aka zionists use assets https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlbN2GEYW9w&t=48s @5 min:
"An Asset is Someone who has been profiled in sufficient depth, that if you put them in a time, place and circumstance you know within an acceptable range of probabilities that they will perform consistent with their personality profile ."

What's 'er name Krim was in the White House to ensure that LBJ stayed on script; one imagines she had in her overnight bag photos of Jackie's bloody pink suit, in the event LBJ was tempted to stray.

Regarding Mat é combined with the gush- rush of three aging Jewish scribblers to "set the record straight" - I'm not buying. English Outsider, A commenter on Pat Lang's blog, analyzed a New York Times article that purported to "fairly" report on the situation in Aleppo. English Outsider, who appears to be a PR professional, argued that the NYTimes piece was a "narrative adjustment exercise" -

"That's a polite way of saying that the press start out by giving us one story but later, when it becomes apparent that the story they were selling is nonsense, they have to try to move to the new story without us noticing the change. . . . you don't have to be an expert to see that that NYT piece cited isn't honest journalism."

And you don't have to be an aromachologist to detect the bullshit in Finkelstein's tall tales in the second Maté interview.

As for Mat é, he deserves an Emmy for his semi-penitent demeanor in the Finkelstein interviews. He's had plenty of practice, having done reporting for Democracy Now and for The Intercept. MoonofAlabama posted this important take-down of the Intercept - Do Not Trust The Intercept or How To Burn A Source.

Nor is mcohen's claim that Finkelstein is Mossad (#32) persuasive: In Der Judenstaat, Theodor Herzl complained/warned:

"We continue to produce an abundance of mediocre intellects who find no outlet, and this endangers our social position as much as does our increasing wealth. Educated Jews without means are now rapidly becoming Socialists. Hence we are certain to suffer very severely in the struggle between classes, because we stand in the most exposed position in the camps of both Socialists and capitalists. "

This describes NF to a T, and also serves to explain the proliferation of think-tanks, set up to provide a paycheck for that legion of over-credentialed under-aware faux-intellects seeking relevance - and a pension.

Agent76 June 6, 2017 at 3:28 pm GMT

@jilles dykstra You must be a book reader and internet researcher. Good post Jilles Dykstra.

Sep 5, 2016 9/11 Suspects: Rudy Giuliani

Mayor Giuliani oversaw the illegal destruction of the 9/11 crime scene and is criminally liable for the deaths of hundreds of emergency workers for not passing on prior warnings about the collapses of the Twin Towers. It is no wonder, then, that the Fire Department of New York so passionately detest Giuliani for his actions in disgracing their fallen brothers and covering up the 9/11 crime.

https://youtu.be/Cl85JSvDmsA

September 07, 2016 September 11, 2001: The 15th Anniversary of the Crime and Cover-up of the Century "What Really Happened"?

The arrow points to a "squib" of exploding gas which is commonly seen with controlled demolitions. Some of the "splinters" seen (the only solid objects that did not pulverize into dust) are actually chunks of steel beams that were being exploded upward and laterally. The nicely-sectioned steel beams and girders were soon ordered by New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani to be trucked away and shipped to China – an order that constitutes disturbing a crime scene – which is a federal crime.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/september-11-2001-the-15th-anniversary-of-the-crime-and-cover-up-of-the-century/5544414

jilles dykstra June 6, 2017 at 3:33 pm GMT

@Quartermaster As if conspiracies do not exist --
Few of them are well documented, but the 1956 GB, France Israel one against Egypt was.
Ben Gurion wanted the conspiracy in writing, the French document was never destroyed.
Helms, former CIA director, in a documentary on the Liberty, BBCW, confirmed the McNamara Israel conspiracy.

Rurik June 6, 2017 at 3:48 pm GMT

@Jake

The WASP Elites will always, ALWAYS, sacrifice the majority of white Christians they rule in order to help Jews.

IDK Jake

it seems to me that the founders of this nation were wholly WASPs, yet had little to do with Jews per se. Benjamin Franklin, a WASP's WASP, purportedly had this to say:

"There is a great danger for the United State of America. This great danger is the Jew. Gentlemen, in every land the Jews have settled, they have depressed the moral level and lowered the degree of commercial honesty. They have remained apart and unassimilated; oppressed, they attempt to strangle the nation financially, as in the case of Portugal and Spain.

For more than seventeen hundred years they have lamented their sorrowful fate - namely, that they have been driven out of their mother land; but, gentlemen, if the civilized world today should give them back Palestine and their property, they would immediately find pressing reason for not returning there. Why? Because they are vampires and vampires cannot live on other vampires –they cannot live among themselves. They must live among Christians and others who do not belong to their race.

If they are not expelled from the United States by the Constitution within less than one hundred years, they will stream into this country in such numbers that they will rule and destroy us and change our form of Government for which we Americans shed our blood and sacrificed our life, property and personal freedom. If the Jews are not excluded within two hundred years, our children will be working in the field to feed Jews while they remain in the counting houses, gleefully rubbing their hands.

I warn you, gentlemen, if you do not exclude the Jews forever, your children and your children's children will curse you in their graves. Their ideas are not those of Americans, even when they lived among us for ten generations. The leopard cannot change his spots. The Jews are a danger to this land, and if they are allowed to enter, they will imperil our institutions. They should be excluded by the Constitution."

if you 'Bing' "benjamin franklin on Jews"

every single page will start with the same Wiki page 'debunking' the speech

every single page

what other issue does Bing consider so important that they will start every page with the same article?

anyways, it seems to me that the early days of this republic had little to do with Jews, other than as slave ship owners and money lenders. I remember how well the local WASPs treated Leo Frank, and it wasn't with kid gloves.

I suspect that the fealty to all things Jewish began with the charter of the Federal Reserve Bank, fully owed by international Jewish bankster$, and that was when all nations either bowed to all things Jewish, or were eventually forced to by relentless wars until they did. Germany being a prime example.

I grew up in a WASP household of sorts, and there was no anti-Semitism for sure, but then there wasn't any Judeophilia either. (no rapture bunnies in my WASPy childhood home, just Easter bunnies ; )

[curious, I 'Binged' the 'protocols of zion'. The first page starts with a Wiki page 'debunking' the Protocols- as you'd expect. But by the second page it's gone. Not so the Franklin speech. Every Bing page on the Franklin speech starts with the Wiki page 'debunking' it]

Eagle Eye June 6, 2017 at 4:25 pm GMT

@Rurik

The WASP Elites will always, ALWAYS, sacrifice the majority of white Christians they rule in order to help Jews.
IDK Jake

it seems to me that the founders of this nation were wholly WASPs, yet had little to do with Jews per se. Benjamin Franklin, a WASP's WASP, purportedly had this to say:

"There is a great danger for the United State of America. This great danger is the Jew. Gentlemen, in every land the Jews have settled, they have depressed the moral level and lowered the degree of commercial honesty. They have remained apart and unassimilated; oppressed, they attempt to strangle the nation financially, as in the case of Portugal and Spain.

For more than seventeen hundred years they have lamented their sorrowful fate - namely, that they have been driven out of their mother land; but, gentlemen, if the civilized world today should give them back Palestine and their property, they would immediately find pressing reason for not returning there. Why? Because they are vampires and vampires cannot live on other vampires --they cannot live among themselves. They must live among Christians and others who do not belong to their race.

If they are not expelled from the United States by the Constitution within less than one hundred years, they will stream into this country in such numbers that they will rule and destroy us and change our form of Government for which we Americans shed our blood and sacrificed our life, property and personal freedom. If the Jews are not excluded within two hundred years, our children will be working in the field to feed Jews while they remain in the counting houses, gleefully rubbing their hands.

I warn you, gentlemen, if you do not exclude the Jews forever, your children and your children's children will curse you in their graves. Their ideas are not those of Americans, even when they lived among us for ten generations. The leopard cannot change his spots. The Jews are a danger to this land, and if they are allowed to enter, they will imperil our institutions. They should be excluded by the Constitution."

if you 'Bing' "benjamin franklin on Jews" every single page will start with the same Wiki page 'debunking' the speech every single page

what other issue does Bing consider so important that they will start every page with the same article? anyways, it seems to me that the early days of this republic had little to do with Jews, other than as slave ship owners and money lenders. I remember how well the local WASPs treated Leo Frank, and it wasn't with kid gloves.

I suspect that the fealty to all things Jewish began with the charter of the Federal Reserve Bank, fully owed by international Jewish bankster$, and that was when all nations either bowed to all things Jewish, or were eventually forced to by relentless wars until they did. Germany being a prime example.

I grew up in a WASP household of sorts, and there was no anti-Semitism for sure, but then there wasn't any Judeophilia either. (no rapture bunnies in my WASPy childhood home, just Easter bunnies ; )

[curious, I 'Binged' the 'protocols of zion'. The first page starts with a Wiki page 'debunking' the Protocols- as you'd expect. But by the second page it's gone. Not so the Franklin speech. Every Bing page on the Franklin speech starts with the Wiki page 'debunking' it]

Benjamin Franklin, a WASP's WASP, purportedly had this to say:

The entire quoted passage is bunk as will be obvious to anyone who has ACTUALLY read political documents from the 18th and 19th century. Real Americans are familiar, for instance, with the Federalist Letters, and with some private correspondence both during the 18th century Revolutionary War and the 19th century Civil War.

In the quoted passage, the reference to "Palestine" is anachronistic – the area was a non-descript Ottoman territory during Franklin's life, part of the Beirut Villayet.

Equally, the word "vampire" is a blatant anachronism. The whole vampire craze only started in the 19th century.

The whole focus on Jews is also bizarre – there were very few Jews in the American colonies during Franklin's lifetime.

Lastly, the diction of the quoted passage is fake 19th century written in the 20th century . Ben Franklin died in 1790.

Styles change. Nobody would mistake a Hank Williams song for a 1980s hit. The quoted passage sounds completely "off" in the same way, only more so.

JoaoAlfaiate June 6, 2017 at 5:54 pm GMT

How did the Zionist enterprise get away with the USS Liberty attack? How did they get away with the burning of the USIS library in Alexandria? And how did their supporters in the media (Ex. Judith Miller, Michael Gordon, etc.) and gov't (Perle, Wolfowitz, Feith, etc.) escape entirely free of blame for ginning up a bunch of bogus info on Saddam's WMD? And now these folks are doing their best to get Uncle Sam to destroy the Assad gov't and take on the Iranians while risking war with Russia.

If you have enough money (Edelson, Saban) to buy Congress and enough control of the MSM, it doesn't matter whether you tell the truth or not. The Israelis could bomb Ceder Rapids, Iowa and half of Congress and most of the MSM would find reasons to justify the attack.

The pen maybe mightier than the sword but the dollar is stronger than both.

truthtellerAryan June 6, 2017 at 8:01 pm GMT

Hi PG, we're "crying crocodile tears", that's what the hasbara claim and are assured by our low lives cuck politicians, even prostitutes sometimes wake up to the pimp's abuse and will do something. We have a museum and a memorial built in our soil to commemorate the hollowfuax that never happened here or doubtfully there. There are hundreds of channels on the idiot box these days, full of all garbage you can think of. On a daily basis there is at least ten shows on different channel that will have something about this hollow-fiction..
Few years ago I read a book by Richard Burton, written in the 19th century. Part of the book talked about Jews in Europe, mainly eastern. He actually warned of "their practices towards the Magyar and Slavs concerning money lending (usury)" that dispossessed a lot of poor farmers of their property and everything that had been accumulated over generations. He went on to say , if these people can find any excuse or support from authority, they will not hesitate to finish off these "jews". His prediction came very close at the beginning of last century.
When USS Liberty was bombed, there was all kinds of excuses (same as the ones we hear to this day, concerning any crime committed by the tribe), but the whore(s) can never go against her pimp master. Have you ever seen any resolution at the United Colonial Nations being voted by U.S. of Israel that condemned actual and real crimes by that " shitty " country?
If we are not gonna get justice committed against us (9/11 included), you think our slave cuckticians will care what happens to others?
We are now fully trained (like robots) to serve the master pimp .. The pimp says attack that country, we do it, kill one of fellow prostitute, we do it. Forced slaves never obeyed like this. Quite phenomenal

Eagle Eye June 6, 2017 at 10:45 pm GMT

@American Shniper Can you imagine the atrocities Israel had our service men and women committing against black and brown people let alone our white brothers and sisters if they can force our government to turn it's back on WHITE service MEN, not white women, WHITE service men?

The men who made this country what it is was murdered by Israeli's with no consequences nor acknowledgement for over 50 years....WOW! And you want to make blacks your enemy? You really don't get it, do you?

Let me spell it out to you: Lyndon B. Johnson wanted a war – any war – for fun and profit.

It is absurd to imagine that the president of the most powerful nation on earth in 1967 would take orders from a barely half-developed country in the Eastern Mediterranean.

Most likely, LBJ expressly ordered Israel to attack the USS Liberty to give himself an excuse to bomb Cairo. Quite possibly, his orders to bomb Cairo were defied by senior military or civilian leaders afraid of provoking WW III, thus necessitating an impromptu cover-up.

Put yourself in the shoes of the Israeli leadership in 1967 – why would they risk massively antagonizing the U.S. in the middle of a risky war? The only reasonable explanations are:

(1) Israel had been ordered by LBJ to sink the USS Liberty (see above). This kind of order would have to have come from LBJ personally, not McNamara, for the Israelis to take on the risk. (Remember the U.S. betrayal of irregular forces at the Bay of Pigs was a recent memory.)

(2) The USS Liberty itself was a major problem for Israel, e.g. because it was passing key intelligence to Egypt and the Arabs.

Given the extensive hush-up operations in the U.S. after the fact, (1) seems much more likely. This would also explain why senior U.S. brass went into overdrive concocting bizarre but coordinated stories to deflect attention from their own shameful involvement in the murder of Americans.

Eagle Eye June 6, 2017 at 10:56 pm GMT

@animalogic The further I learn about this grotesque, criminal incident the further I strongly suspect two things:

1. It was a failed false flag; the purpose of which: to incriminate Egypt. The entire plot relied on the total destruction of the Liberty and it's crew: no ship, no crew, no evidence. (The failed false flag hypothesis at least makes some sense of Israeli motives. Against this view: the Israelis failed, which may be interpreted as evidence that complete destruction was NOT the goal. Also, it might be thought how could the Israelis be SO stupid as to think, given the length of time from observation to concluded attack, that they could "get away with it"? But again, no ship, no crew, no evidence. The rest is denial and bullshit.)

2. Which leads to the 2nd point ( harder to demonstrate ) that the highest level of the US Admin KNEW about this or "a" pending false flag attack by the Israelis. The speed - confidence - with which Macnamara calls off the jets, the well oiled cover up later, all, at least, suggest US foreknowledge. US complicity would also help explain why the Israelis weren't that worried about radio traffic ID'ing their fighters.

On even the bare facts the Liberty incident represented that even 50 years ago, the US government was in (treasonous ) thrall to a foreign power.

On even the bare facts the Liberty incident represented that even 50 years ago, the US government was in (treasonous ) thrall to a foreign power.

With respect, this does not follow at all. The entire world (U.S., UK, France, Israel) treated the Suez Canal as a key geostrategic area. In the 1956/1957 Suez Canal Crisis, the U.S. intervened forcefully against the UK/French/Israeli alliance which had no option but to back down in the face of U.S. opposition.

The U.S. was and is pursuing its own aims. That these aims are often contrary to the interests of 95% of the U.S. population does not change the fact that the power elite are vigorously furthering their own interests.

"Cultural Marxists" love to say that "oppressed" groups have no "agency," i.e. shit just happens to them, they are tossed helplessly in a roiling sea of events.

Is it really a reasonable explanation of observed facts to assume that everything the U.S. does is dictated by a few people in a small, far-away country?

Anonymous June 7, 2017 at 12:44 am GMT

You're right about the wrong use of the word Palestine. In the 18th century Christians called it the Holy Land. Turk pirates and slave traders still roamed the Atlantic and the Mediterranean at the time so the Christian pilgrimages were few and far between till 1830s when France conquered Algeria. The Holy Land was pretty much ignored in Franklins time.

This is just another example of Rurik's "research " by Wikepedia instead of the nearest university library. Even middle school children are told to not rely on wikepedia

Anonymous June 7, 2017 at 3:13 am GMT

@Eagle Eye

On even the bare facts the Liberty incident represented that even 50 years ago, the US government was in (treasonous ) thrall to a foreign power.
With respect, this does not follow at all. The entire world (U.S., UK, France, Israel) treated the Suez Canal as a key geostrategic area. In the 1956/1957 Suez Canal Crisis, the U.S. intervened forcefully against the UK/French/Israeli alliance which had no option but to back down in the face of U.S. opposition.

The U.S. was and is pursuing its own aims. That these aims are often contrary to the interests of 95% of the U.S. population does not change the fact that the power elite are vigorously furthering their own interests.

"Cultural Marxists" love to say that "oppressed" groups have no "agency," i.e. shit just happens to them, they are tossed helplessly in a roiling sea of events.

Is it really a reasonable explanation of observed facts to assume that everything the U.S. does is dictated by a few people in a small, far-away country? The difference between Pres Eisenhower 1956 and LBJ 1967 is that Eisenhower was independent of Jewish power. LBJ was totally owned by Jews in both foreign policy and domestic policy( 1965 immigration act, 1968 affirmative action act, EEOC, funding all sorts of black militant war on poverty programs, on and on).

I don't believe in any of the who killed JFK conspiracy theories, but in terms of who benefits, LBJs anti White domestic policies fulfilled the dreams of every NAACP Jew since 1910.

L.K June 7, 2017 at 4:40 am GMT

@anon

Syria has killed more people in the past 3 years than Israel has in the past 100 years. In fact in October of 1982 alone , Syria killed more people than Israel has in the past 100 years. Talk about a license to kill ........ No, zionist shill, what is taking place in Syria is also a war for Israel;
Zionist agents have been planning this proxy war, going back at least to 2006, according to Assange.

ZUSA and its coalition of rogue states have been fighting a proxy war against Syria through the use of Salafist-Wahhabi extremists from all over the world, posing as Syrian "rebels".

Veteran CIA Ray McGovern, during a cross talk interview on Syria, at 1:14; The Elephant in the room re the reason for ZUSA's regime change policies toward Syria: Israel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd5fuAUM2BM

Former US marine Ken O'Keefe on RT about al-ciada und isis in Syria, etc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-sOnmsWivs

Lot June 7, 2017 at 6:04 am GMT

@Anon

The whole "false flag" thing should be obviously wrong to you all. There is no way Israel ever could have framed Egypt for an attack on a US ship because, like Israel, like every other country then and now, nobody has any incentive to deliberately attack a US ship. Moreover, by the time of the attack, Israel had already won the war, and the USA was already quietly supporting Israel.

And as Dave Pinsen pointed out, if Israel had intended to sink the Liberty, it would have done so quite easily.

LondonBob June 7, 2017 at 9:32 am GMT

@Anonymous

The difference between Pres Eisenhower 1956 and LBJ 1967 is that Eisenhower was independent of Jewish power. LBJ was totally owned by Jews in both foreign policy and domestic policy( 1965 immigration act, 1968 affirmative action act, EEOC, funding all sorts of black militant war on poverty programs, on and on).

I don't believe in any of the who killed JFK conspiracy theories, but in terms of who benefits, LBJs anti White domestic policies fulfilled the dreams of every NAACP Jew since 1910. I think LBJ was more than owned given his ancestry and his very early support and actions going back to Leo Frank and going into the 30s with his support for Jewish immigration. According to historian James M. Smallwood, Congressman Johnson used legal and sometimes illegal methods to smuggle 'hundreds of Jews into Texas, using Galveston as the entry port. Enough money could buy false passports and fake visas in Cuba, Mexico and other Latin American countries . . . Johnson smuggled boatloads and planeloads of Jews into Texas. He hid them in the Texas National Youth Administration . . . Johnson saved at least four or five hundred Jews, possibly more.'

During World War II Johnson attended a small Austin gathering to sell $65,000 in war bonds. According to Gomolak, Johnson and a Jewish friend called Novy then raised a very 'substantial sum for arms for Jewish underground fighters in Palestine.' One source cited by the historian reports that 'Novy and Johnson had been secretly shipping heavy crates labeled 'Texas Grapefruit' – but containing arms – to Jewish underground 'freedom fighters' in Palestine.'

For a description of LBJ's backing for Israel, see Neff's, 'LBJ Was First to Align US with Israel's Policies', in the Washington Report on Middle East, Nov-Dec 1996 p. 96. His affinity for Israel is movingly described by the Senior Editor of the Jewish Press in his article 'LBJ and Israel', 7 Sept 2002.

LBJ's early backing for Israel can be found in the Senate Records, 1957-58, the Eisenhower Library and LBJ's own Presidential Library. After the 1956 Suez debacle, Israel clung on to Gaza and Aquaba, despite demands from both the US and UN to quit. By the spring of 1957, UN Secretary General Dag Hammarskjöld was actively promoting UN sanctions against Israel as an aggressor nation and in defiance of UN Resolutions.

The Israeli plan was scuppered in the US mainly by Senate Leader LBJ, who urged the State Dept. not to support sanctions 'against a small country like Israel' and rallied support in the Senate to block any legislation. (See New York Times of 20 February 1957 and, perhaps significantly, Louis Bloomfield's monograph, 'Egypt, Israel and the Gulf of Aquaba'.)

Like JFK, his predecessor President Eisenhower was no advocate of 'Israel, Right or Wrong'. LBJ and Eisenhower locked horns over Israel when Ike became heavily involved with the crisis over Israeli attempts to annex a Palestinian area around Banat Ya'qub in 1953 in order to divert water from the River Jordan. America stepped in to broker a deal. When the UN observers realised that the Israelis were ignoring their part of the agreement, Ike moved swiftly to revoke tax-deductible status of Jewish-Americans to Zionist organisations in order to force Israel to honour its obligations.

Despite enormous pressure from US Jewish lobby groups, LBJ himself and claims that his policies were 'anti-Semitic', Eisenhower stood firm. When the Israeli government realised that their money supply really was going to dry up, they backed down and Ike restored aid. Full accounts are in the LBJ Library Archive and – from a more objective viewpoint – in the 'jfk montreal' site.

Just one month after succeeding Kennedy, LBJ attended the December 1963 dedication of the Agudas Achim Synagogue in Austin. Novy opened the ceremony by saying Johnson, 'We can't thank him enough for all those Jews he got out of Germany during the days of Hitler.'

NoseytheDuke June 7, 2017 at 9:50 am GMT

@Eagle Eye You really don't get it, do you?

Let me spell it out to you: Lyndon B. Johnson wanted a war - any war - for fun and profit.

It is absurd to imagine that the president of the most powerful nation on earth in 1967 would take orders from a barely half-developed country in the Eastern Mediterranean.

Most likely, LBJ expressly ordered Israel to attack the USS Liberty to give himself an excuse to bomb Cairo. Quite possibly, his orders to bomb Cairo were defied by senior military or civilian leaders afraid of provoking WW III, thus necessitating an impromptu cover-up.

Put yourself in the shoes of the Israeli leadership in 1967 - why would they risk massively antagonizing the U.S. in the middle of a risky war? The only reasonable explanations are:

(1) Israel had been ordered by LBJ to sink the USS Liberty (see above). This kind of order would have to have come from LBJ personally, not McNamara, for the Israelis to take on the risk. (Remember the U.S. betrayal of irregular forces at the Bay of Pigs was a recent memory.)

(2) The USS Liberty itself was a major problem for Israel, e.g. because it was passing key intelligence to Egypt and the Arabs.

Given the extensive hush-up operations in the U.S. after the fact, (1) seems much more likely. This would also explain why senior U.S. brass went into overdrive concocting bizarre but coordinated stories to deflect attention from their own shameful involvement in the murder of Americans. It is absurd to imagine that the president of the most powerful nation on earth in 1967 would take orders from a barely half-developed country in the Eastern Mediterranean.

"Were going to be screening the Zapruder film for you after tonight dinner again Mr President".

anonHUN June 7, 2017 at 11:02 am GMT

@Bragadocious I looked at the casualty list and found a Toth and a Mendle, both of which can be Jewish names....or not. I wonder how the Jews on board felt about this attack. Given the actions of LBJ, it seems the Jew card has definite credit limits -- when you're going against the "Jewish State." Toth is a very common Hungarian surname, it actually means "Slovak". Of course can be a jewish person, but not a typical jewish surname.

Miro23 June 7, 2017 at 10:19 pm GMT

For 2 hours on June 8th 1967 the USA was at war with Israel and the USA won!!

With great skill and courage the crew of the USS Liberty kept their ship afloat and managed to send out a distress signal while under intense attack by Jewish jets and torpedo boats aiming to sink them without a trace.

The Israelis were finally obliged to pull back, and traitor* Johnson had to recall his "retaliation" attack on Egypt and also ensure that the USS Liberty story fast disappeared from circulation, the same as the surviving sailors.

To draw some parallels:

In London on the 5th of November 1605 conspirator Guy Fawkes was arrested guarding explosives placed under the House of Lords with which he and his fellow plotters planned to assassinate King James I.

In thanksgiving for the arrest, Londoners lit bonfires around the city, and the following January just before the plotter's execution , the 5th of November was made a public holiday and came to be known as "Guy Fawkes Night" ("Bonfire Night"), the point being that more than 400 years later the day is still celebrated (barbeques, drinks, bonfires and fireworks) and everyone learns again of the treason of Guy Fawkes.

So, kudos to Americans who light bonfires on "Lyndon Baines Johnson Night" (8th June) to remember his treason and commemorate the heroism of the USS Liberty crew.

* Traitor: Whether Johnson was blackmailed through Israeli knowledge of his part in the Kennedy assassination (Nelson 2011) or because he was their co-conspirator (Collins-Piper 1995) is irrelevant. The fact is that he knew of Operation Cyanide and the coming attack on the ship and collaborated.

RobinG June 7, 2017 at 10:34 pm GMT

@anon

The killings in Syria are being carried out by the minority alawite dictatorship (alawites are 10% of the Syrian poplulation) that siezed power in a coup and has never relinquished it. In one month in 1982 the Syrians killed more people than Israel has in the past 100 years. The killing done by Syria in the past 3 years is 20 X what Israel has done in 100 years. Israel is 100% more responsible than Alawites for casualties in Syria. The shrill and desperate hasbara lies from Tel Aviv's troll army are getting more ugly and more absurd while Israel becomes weaker and more reviled.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/who-is-destroying-syria/
Who Is Destroying Syria?
The Arab Gulf States, Israel, and Turkey all prefer anarchy to Assad
.
By Philip Giraldi • May 3, 2017

Rurik June 7, 2017 at 10:36 pm GMT

@Lot So Israel, able to defeat multiple Arab armies and airforces in a matter of days, was only able to kill about 1/5 of the people on an unarmed ship?

This degree of paranoid retardation is kind of fascinating.

So Israel, able to defeat multiple Arab armies and airforces in a matter of days, was only able to kill about 1/5 of the people on an unarmed ship?

the only way Israel could ever survive even one day is with American weapons and expertise, and of course their well documented treachery.

they are notorious cowards and inept soldiers. Why else would they do all they could to get others to do their fighting for them?

why else would Ariel Sharon use Lebanese Phalange militias to slaughter the women and children of Sabra and Shatila? There was the possibility that one of the women or children might have picked up a sharp object or table leg and throttled one of the little Zio-boyz with it. Better to hide from a distance and get others to fight for you, huh?

Hell, even the Israeli government was so appalled at Sharon's brazen cowardice that they charged him with a war crime for that little incident.

Just look at how a few ragtag Hezbollah troops can defeat the entire IDF with a fraction of the weaponry and nearly infinite toys the IDF has courtesy the ZUSA tax payer, but it's all for nothing when the weapons are in the hands of cowards and incompetents.

look at em all huddled down on their bellies with a sniper rifle to shoot children from the roof top

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De8g_LAHh_0

and then if that isn't stomach turning enough, the brave IDF soldier even congratulates his colleague for shooting a child! Wow, what gallantry! What valor!

I'm surprised the IDF got as far as they did with the USS Liberty, since it did have a machine gun on deck and a few of the officers had side arms. And who know if they were able to call for help. In fact, as I understand it, the reason the IDF called off the attack is because they heard that jets were scrambled to assist the Liberty, and they wanted no part of a fair fight. So sure, they tried to sink her with all hands, but endemic cowardice and notorious incompetence saved the day.

Eagle Eye

June 7, 2017 at 11:27 pm GMT 400 Words @Incitatus Anon,

Not necessarily sane or analytical, but here goes:

"...I am not...convinced that it [attack on the Liberty] was an Israeli...decision at the highest level..."

"None of the motives suggested are so compelling...to be accepted..."

Agreed. Conspiracies seem far fetched. Nuking Cairo? False flags? Israeli soldiers sworn to secrecy? LBJ or Macnamara planning involvement? Utter nonsense (my opinion).

That said, this isn't my first USS Liberty rodeo: http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/aipac-is-back-in-town/#new_comments
post #225, #250, #268, #292, #316 (31 Mar - 4 Apr 2017)

As stated there, 'Attack on the Liberty' and James Bamford's 'The Cover-Up' (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/aug/08/israel) differ significantly from the official US and Israeli accounts. Some of Bamford's points:

IDF motive: To attack and sink an Egyptian destroyer steaming at 30 knots after it shelled El Arish.
Bamford: Liberty was easily distinguished from a warship, lacked heavy guns and sprouted spy antenna masts. It was clearly marked (Latin markings, ensigns - sailors hoisted a second large ensign during the attack). It was steaming at 5 knots (top speed well below 30 knots). IDF surveilled Liberty regularly for over six hours prior to the attack, at one point with friendly acknowledgment. Crewman Larry Weaver: "I was actually able to wave to the co-pilot. He waved back and actually smiled at me - I could see him that well. There's no question about it. They had seen the ship's markings and the American flag."

IDF explanation: mistaken identity.
Bamford: IDF prolonged close surveillance (including friendly acknowledgment), followed by communication jamming, cannon fire, machine guns, rockets, napalm, 1000-lb bombs, torpedoes, and strafing life rafts. An attack thus varied and sustained seems unlikely mistaken or authored by mistaken judgment on behalf of the Israeli commanders on site (let alone further up the chain).

Was Israel truly regretful? Let Bamford tell it:

"In the days following the attack, the Israeli government gave the US government a classified report that attempted to justify the claim that the attack was a mistake. On the basis of that same report, an Israeli court of inquiry completely exonerated the government and all those involved. No one was ever court-martialled, reduced in rank or even reprimanded. On the contrary, Israel chose instead to honour motor torpedo boat 203, which fired the deadly torpedo at the Liberty. The ship's wheel and bell were placed on prominent display at the naval museum, among the maritime artefacts of which the Israeli navy was most proud."

War unleashed is rarely rational. The '67 War was an audacious gamble for nascent Israel. Raw memories of Ike's humbling restraint in Suez '56 may have been fresh. Why tolerate loose ends that risk defeat? Trust no one. Better to eliminate all unknowns, anything that imperils success. The universal war code: do all that's necessary to win. Eliminate all unknowns. The rest will sort itself out. And so they did (my uneducated guess).

"surely [it's] time to declassify everything."

Couldn't agree more.

[Anon] " I am not convinced that it [attack on the Liberty] was an Israeli decision at the highest level "

We're all guessing. Hard to believe the coordination of air force and navy wouldn't rise to the highest IDF level, if not higher.

With respect, I suspect the question was meant in a different sense.

Everyone here seems to agree that the Israeli government intentionally ordered the coordinated air-sea attack on the USS Liberty – the attack does not seem to have been an instance of erroneous "friendly fire."

I read the question as asking whether the decision to attack was an Israeli decision in the sense that the idea originated with the Israeli government.

The alternative, of course, would be that LBJ and McNamara ordered Israel to attack and sink the USS Liberty as a pretext to enable the U.S. to launch an attack – possibly nuclear – against Egypt. Under this scenario, the Israeli government would have received the U.S. order and "decided" to implement the U.S. order by issuing instructions to the respective IDF units that carried out the attack.

Remember that we are talking about the same LBJ/McNamara who are KNOWN to have staged the Gulf of Tonkin spectacle (against North Vietnam) in 1964 and the USS Pueblo incident (against North Korea) in 1968.

Two points need to be addressed by any theory seeking to explain what happened:

(1) As I have pointed out many times, radar and radio surveillance technology in 1967 easily enabled the U.S. to identify the source of the coordinated attacks in real time. In addition, U.S. intelligence assets in Egypt and Israel would quickly have advised the U.S. of what actually happened.

This means that the U.S. could not have been hoodwinked, nor would the Israeli government have thought for even a second that they would be able to hoodwink the U.S. leadership. Public statements from both sides may deny this, but the state of technology in 1967 makes any claim of U.S. ignorance laughable.

(2) What did the Israeli government THINK the attack on an intelligence asset operated by their most important de facto ally would achieve?

Again, whatever may have been said in public, the idea that the U.S. leadership would think for even a second that Egypt had attacked the USS Liberty is risible, so this could not have been the intention of the Israeli government unless one posits a sudden outbreak of collective insanity.

RobinG June 8, 2017 at 1:46 am GMT

@alexander You raise a very profound point, Geo.

Why is there an urgent NEED for a "special prosecutor" to investigate the influence of a foreign power on our political system ,when it 's RUSSIA, ......but No NEED whatsoever , when its King BIBI and Israel?

Have any of our MSM outlets ever even broached this subject ?


Is the issue of "influence peddling" only germane when "some countries" are influential...but not OTHERS ?


Who made THIS the law of the land?..Who says it's "just" ?.....and why ? The investigation we need now is the murder of SETH RICH.

The whole "Impeach Trump" campaign is focused on Russian connections and alleged Russian hacking of DNC emails. Whatever anyone thinks of our legally elected President Trump, it is the office of the Presidency that is being fraudulently attacked. The Trump-haters are suppressing any information about the murder of Seth Rich, who may have leaked the DNC emails in question. That would be a leak, not a hack, and it would throw the Dems' corruption case into the toilet.

Demand an investigation.

Appoint a Special Prosecutor to investigate the murder of Seth Rich, the alleged Wikileaks email leaker.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/appoint-special-prosecutor-investigate-murder-seth-rich-alleged-wikileaks-email-leaker

On July 10, 2016, Seth Rich was shot twice in the early morning as he walked back to his house in Washington D.C. Immediately after the crime, the death was called an armed robbery but none of Seth Rich's belongings were taken from him.

Rod Wheeler, a private investigator hired by the family, said that there was evidence Seth Rich had contacted WikiLeaks and that law enforcement were covering this up. MSM is not covering this murder, instead pushing it to the side, so it is now up to us.

The facts do not add up, law enforcement stopped covering the crime, and now it is time for us to fight for justice. Seth Rich deserves this.

anon June 8, 2017 at 1:50 am GMT

@Rurik


Israel controls the world while at the same time being inept cowards.
they don't control the world, but they do control our fecal congress and our media, and the only way they were able to pull that off is because Woodrow Wilson gave them the keys to our Treasury. Trust me "anon", if I had access to trillions of dollars of wealth, that I could lend out to my buddies and force the American tax slave to pay me interest on the money I lent out, and could give my buddies interest free loans and tell them when to short certain markets and have the fecal gov bail me and my buddies out when our casino bets went bad, well then "anon", I can promise you that there'd be some serious changes in the way business was conducted around here.

All the war criminals would find themselves at the Hague but pronto.

all the banksters would be in pound-arse prison for a combined thousands + years

the American people would finally be able to vote on genuine patriots that serve their interests, and not the interests of a criminal foreign rogue state.

so many things would change, if only I owned the Federal Reserve Bank instead of international Jewish supremacists.

I'd return them to the 1948 borders and force them to compensate every single Palestinian for any and all property that the Jews have stolen from the Arabs. I'd force them to pay massive reparations for the myriad and heinous crimes they've committed over the decades.

I'd do so many things "anon". Every single deepstate agent responsible for the USS Liberty would be brought to justice, and hanged by the neck until they stopped dancing. Ditto 9/11.

the media would return to informing the public honestly and entertaining them with art that exalts the human spirit, rather than squalid potty culture.

there's just so many things that would change if only our congress would coin our currency as the Constitution demands, rather than handing that privilege over to the world's greediest banksters and notorious cowards.

yea, when it comes to financial treachery and chicanery, my hat is off to the Jews. They're second to none, and none come close. But in combat, something tells me I'd rather have a German or a Russian at me back. I'd prefer Max or Vlad if I'm going to be in a fight, and not Irving or Moshe so much.

they don't control the world, but they do control our fecal congress and our media,

What about the European governments and media ? They must be controlled by Jews as well.
Surely they are only flooding their own countries with Muslims and provoking the native population not to procreate because of the hand of the Jew ?? And what about Turki and Libya? . Surely they are controlled by Jews as well , as they are the mechanism of flooding Europe with Muslims . Surely the good Muslims of Turki and Libya are not flooding Europe and impending white genocide on their own volition . Surely the Jew must be in control of that evil as well ?? Could inept cowards really pull all of this off so smoothly ??

I'd return them to the 1948 borders and force them to compensate every single Palestinian for any and all property that the Jews have stolen from the Arabs. I'd force them to pay massive reparations for the myriad and heinous crimes they've committed over the decades

Jordan is occupying 78% of Palestine. what would your plans be for them ?
Tell me about the compensation package you would offer to the following countries that all receive US aid :
Sudan -Occupation of Darfur -700,000 killed ; Indonesia – Occupation of Papua -500,000 killed.
Turki-occupation of Kurdistan and Cyprus – 80,000 killed ; Morocco = Occupation of Western Sahara – 40,000 killed ; Entirety of Israel – Palestinian conflict – 23,000 killed

geokat62 June 8, 2017 at 2:30 am GMT

@anon


Because – unlike YOU – he loves America FIRST.
Then he should be most upset with Syria , who was complicit in the marine barracks bombing in Beirut in 1982 . You see that had American casualties of 241 killed. USS Liberty only had casualties of 35 killed. Furthermore the barracks bombing was deliberate murder whereas USS Liberty was a mistake . Also USS Liberty was a very long time ago and nothing of the sort ever happened again from the Israelis. Conversely the Beirut bombing of US marines was more recent.So by every metric , Syria is far worse .

p.s. Your comments screech JEW
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That is superiour to your comments that screech : Loser , social outcast , mentally deranged , dim witted , friendless , mentally sick , obsessed with Jews and totally unhappy .

Then he should be most upset with Syria , who was complicit in the marine barracks bombing in Beirut in 1982 .

Some background info on the incident that resulted in the deaths of hundreds of American troops:

"American Marines, who had been dispatched to Lebanon as peacekeepers to oversee the PLO evacuation but then had departed, hastily returned after the Sabra and Shatila massacres. They were housed in a large warehouse complex near Beirut's airport.

Over the next year, American forces found themselves drawn into the worsening Lebanese civil war. A key moment occurred on Sept. 18, 1983, when Reagan's national security adviser Robert McFarlane*, who was considered a staunch supporter of Israel , ordered U.S. warships to bombard Muslim targets inside Lebanon.

As Gen. Colin Powell, then a top aide to Defense Secretary Weinberger, wrote in his memoir, "When the shells started falling on the Shiites, they assumed the American 'referee' had taken sides." [See Powell's My American Journey.]

Muslim attacks on the Marines in Beirut soon escalated. On Oct. 23, 1983, two Shiite Muslims drove explosives-laden trucks into two buildings in Beirut, one housing French forces and the other the Marines. The blasts killed 241 Americans and 58 French."

https://consortiumnews.com/2016/05/19/how-israel-out-foxed-us-presidents-5/

* Just to underscore how pro-Israel Robert McFarlane is, he was among those who were calling for the release of Jonathan Pollard (in a Feb. 9 letter to President Obama).

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[Jun 07, 2017] Jihad 2.0 the Making of the Next Nightmare by Pepe Escobar

Notable quotes:
"... Jihad 2.0 may be directed against Slavs in Macedonia, against Iran and against Turkey. Not to mention against the Russian underbelly. The invisible angle is that they can always be deployed to jeopardize China's drive to integrate southeast Europe as a key node of the New Silk Roads. ..."
Jun 07, 2017 | www.counterpunch.org
Let's start with 28 EU leaders discussing the Western Balkans at a recent summit and blaming – what else – "Russian aggression" in the EU's backyard.

Cue to a Montenegro prosecutor raging that "Russian state bodies" staged a coup attempt during the October 2016 elections to stop the country from joining NATO.

And cue to President of the European Commission Jean-Claude Juncker warning that Donald Trump's anti-EU rhetoric could lead to war in the Balkans. Juncker, condescending as ever, maintains that, "If we leave them to themselves - Bosnia and Herzegovina, Republika Srpska, Macedonia, Albania, all of these countries - we will have a war again."

The Balkans may be about to explode – all over again. Yet with a twist; unlike 1999, NATO won't get away with bombing a defenseless Belgrade for 78 days. A new generation of Russian missiles would easily prevent it.

The 1999 tragedy in the Balkans was essentially stirred up by fake massacres in Kosovo set up by the BND – German intelligence - using local Albanians and BND agent provocateurs, who shot both sides to stir up a war and break up Yugoslavia.

All Eyes on Albania

What's evolving at the current geopolitical juncture is even murkier.

The usual suspects do what they usually do; blame Russia, and damn any evidence.

So let a knowledgeable insider, Dr. Olsi Jazexhi, director of the Free Media Institute in Tirana, Albania, be our guide.

In December 2016, the CIA's John Brennan went to Albania and issued a fatwa for "war against Russia" – especially in Macedonia.

As Dr. Jazexhi explains , "after Brennan left Edi Rama, Prime Minister of Albania, a close friend of George Soros, gathered all Albanian political parties in Macedonia and ordered them to support Zoran Zaev against Nikola Gruevski. Gruevski is seen as filo-Russian and anti-NATO, while Zaev is a lapdog of Soros. As a result, Gruevski was boycotted by Albanians and Zaev had their support to form a government. The promise of Zaev to Albanians is that Macedonia will adapt Albanian as an official language and create a third (half) Albanian state in the Balkans. Macedonians are resisting, but Tirana and Edi Rama are orchestrating Albanian political parties against Gruevski. The end game is to make Macedonia a NATO member."

Meanwhile, in Kosovo – essentially a nasty narco-Mafioso scam posing as a state and housing Camp Bondsteel, the largest overseas US military base on the planet - Hashim Thaci, the president and former Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) goon, is "building an army for Kosovo. The final aim is to integrate Kosovo into NATO even though Serbia rejects this for its former autonomous province."

Jazexhi also details how, "in Albania, we have two major terrorist organizations being protected by the Americans and the Europeans."

The first is what Ankara describes as the Fetullah Gulen Terror organization (FETO), allegedly instrumentalized by German intelligence; "Turkey is protesting why Albania hosts the FETO group but the Americans host them against Erdogan."

The second is Mojahedin-e Khalq (MKO), which fights against Tehran; "Albania is being turned into the center of MKO. John Bolton was recently in Tirana, with other international supporters of MKO, and they are attacking Iran and calling for regime change."

The MKO's wacky Marjam Rajavi has also visited Tirana, developing plans to "topple the Ayatollahs" in Iran.

The key issue, as Jazexhi emphasizes, is that "after turning the Balkans into a recruiting center for ISIS/Daesh during the Syria war, now the Americans are turning Albania into a jihad 2.0 state."

So what is developing is "the same historical mistake as made by the Albanians of Kosovo, who have 100% linked their future with Camp Bondsteel and would will be instantly re-invaded by Serbia in case NATO or the US leave (which they will, sooner or later, inevitably).

Meanwhile, the European Union and the Americans, who want to de-radicalize the Wahhabi Muslims of Europe, keep mum about the Iranian jihadis."

The "Invisible" Enemy

So the key piece of the puzzle is the configuration of Albania as the center of Jihad 2.0 - against the Slavs in Macedonia, against Tehran, and also against Ankara. No wonder the chief adviser of the Albanian government, until a few months ago, was a certain Tony Blair.

But then there is the "invisible" enemy that really matters.

In late March, Serbian President Tomislav Nikolic went to Beijing in his last official visit before the April 2 elections. Chinese President Xi Jinping stressed that economic cooperation with Serbia – and the Balkans at large – is a priority for China.

No question. In 2014, Beijing created a fund that will invest 10 billion euros in Central and Eastern Europe. Last year, China Everbright bought Tirana's airport in Albania. China Exim Bank is financing highway construction in both Macedonia and Montenegro.

In Serbia, China Road and Bridge Corporation built the 170 million euro Pupin bridge over the Danube in Belgrade – a.k.a. the "Sino-Serbian Friendship Bridge", inaugurated in 2014 and 85% financed by a China Exim Bank loan.

And the cherry in the (infrastructure development) cake is the 350 km, $2.89 billion high-speed rail line between Athens and Budapest, via Macedonia and Belgrade.

The EU has set off alarm bells on the flagship $1.8 billion Budapest-Belgrade stretch, investigating whether the Hungarian section violated strict EU laws according to which public tenders are a must for large transportation projects.

Inbuilt is the proverbial Western haughtiness, ruling that the Chinese could not possibly be capable of building high-speed rail infrastructure as well if not better – and for a lower cost – than in Europe.

Budapest-Belgrade happens to be the crucial stretch of the Land Sea Express Route that Beijing pledged to build, way back in 2014, with Hungary, Serbia and Macedonia. That's the crux of the Southeastern Europe node of the New Silk Roads, now Belt and Road Initiative (BRI); a trade corridor between the container port of Pireus, in the Mediterranean – co-owned by China Ocean Shipping Company since 2010 – all the way to Central Europe.

NATO's official spin is that it must be planted in the Balkans to fight the "threat of terrorism." According to NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg, "I recently visited Bosnia Herzegovina and Kosovo, and I'm encouraged to see how focused they are on countering the threat of foreign fighters."

Well, the "foreign fighters" happen to be right at home, not only in Kosovo but soon in Albania, the capital of Jihad 2.0. NATO after all excels in creating emerging "threats" that are essential to justify its existence.

Jihad 2.0 may be directed against Slavs in Macedonia, against Iran and against Turkey. Not to mention against the Russian underbelly. The invisible angle is that they can always be deployed to jeopardize China's drive to integrate southeast Europe as a key node of the New Silk Roads.

Pepe Escobar is the author of Globalistan: How the Globalized World is Dissolving into Liquid War (Nimble Books, 2007), Red Zone Blues: a snapshot of Baghdad during the surge and Obama does Globalistan (Nimble Books, 2009). His latest book is Empire of Chaos . He may be reached at pepeasia@yahoo.com .

[Jun 04, 2017] US Liberty incident

Notable quotes:
"... But a lot of people have speculated that the USS Liberty was sent by the Johnson regime to get sunk by Israel and be used as a false flag to take America into war against Egypt. ..."
"... We already know for a fact that jets were scrambled to assist the USS Liberty and were called back and ordered not to assist by Johnson through Secretary of State McNamara. And not once, but twice. ..."
"... So obviously Johnson wanted her sunk. Whether or not the ship was sent there for that purpose, or whether Johnson simply decided to let the Israelis sink her once he heard about it, we'll likely never know. ..."
"... Tourney says Johnson told Tully: "I don't give a [expletive] if that ship goes to the bottom and every sailor is lost. We will not embarrass our ally, Israel." ..."
Jun 04, 2017 | www.unz.com

Eagle Eye , May 24, 2017 at 12:07 am GMT

@Rurik if you (and Annamaria) don't mind, I'll address this..

What was the U.S. Liberty doing in the Red Sea in 1967?
there was a war going on between a US ally and a nation of strategic importance to the US- Israel and Egypt. The USS Liberty was a NSA intelligence ship. It was there to monitor what was going on. Duh.

explain how exactly the USS Liberty's presence was supposed to assist the "sovereignty" of Cis-Jordan (i.e. the current sovereign state of Israel).

unless you an admiral in the US Navy at the time, no one knows for sure. But a lot of people have speculated that the USS Liberty was sent by the Johnson regime to get sunk by Israel and be used as a false flag to take America into war against Egypt.

We already know for a fact that jets were scrambled to assist the USS Liberty and were called back and ordered not to assist by Johnson through Secretary of State McNamara. And not once, but twice.

So obviously Johnson wanted her sunk. Whether or not the ship was sent there for that purpose, or whether Johnson simply decided to let the Israelis sink her once he heard about it, we'll likely never know.

Hope that helps eagle

So obviously Johnson wanted her sunk. Whether or not the ship was sent there for that purpose, or whether Johnson simply decided to let the Israelis sink her once he heard about it, we'll likely never know.

This interpretation is at least internally consistent. It is also consistent with my earlier observation that nobody could seriously claim that the U.S. was ACTUALLY DECEIVED for even a split second about who launched the attack.

Putting the known factors together, we are left with two viable hypotheses as to the Israelis' reason for sinking the USS Liberty:

(1) To eliminate a mortal threat to Israel's national security in a time of war, e.g. because the USS Liberty was feeding intelligence information to Egypt and the Arabs.

(2) As an intentional false flag operation, with express (or at least hinted) support from the Pentagon for the purpose of publicly "justifying" a U.S. war against Egypt. This would necessarily mean that the sailors and staff on the USS Liberty were intentionally betrayed and sacrificed by Johnson and McNamara.

In either case, the Israeli leadership would have been painfully aware that it could NOT mislead the U.S. as to its authorship of the attack, whatever the Pentagon or Israel might later say in public later.

CanSpeccy , Website May 24, 2017 at 12:39 am GMT

@Rurik if you (and Annamaria) don't mind, I'll address this..

Hope that helps eagle A graphic account here by US naval veteran and survivor, Phil Tourney :

"Jet aircrafts came in firing and strafing our ship," he said. "Within minutes they took out hundreds of antennae and all of our .450-caliber machine guns. We were defenseless."

But all those aboard were not without hope. Utilizing true American ingenuity and never giving up their fighting spirit, Tourney described a miraculous effort.

"About half-an-hour into the attack," he said, "one of our men stretched a long wire so that we could transmit a message to the Sixth Fleet: 'Under Attack by Unmarked Fighters. Send Help.' A number of ships received this SOS, and soon Capt. Joseph Tully of the USS Saratoga ordered planes to rescue us."

However, in an act that goes well beyond betrayal into the realm of full-fledged treason, Tourney laid out how Liberty became a ship without a country.

"Defense Secretary Robert McNamara contacted the Saratoga and recalled the fighters, telling them not to aid our ship," he said. "But, showing true courage, Tully re-launched the jets, without authorization . . . After the second set of fighter jets were dispatched, the president of the United States-Lyndon Johnson-personally recalled them," said Tourney.

Tourney says Johnson told Tully: "I don't give a [expletive] if that ship goes to the bottom and every sailor is lost. We will not embarrass our ally, Israel."

A day or two later as Liberty limped toward a port in Malta, Adm. Isaac Kidd assembled the survivors in small groups and, after removing his stars, demanded to know what occurred.

After learning the truth, a red-faced Kidd pinned his stars back on his uniform and said, "If any of you ever repeat a word, I'll make sure you end up in the penitentiary, or worse," Tourney said.

[May 23, 2017] The speed of explanation might well be a useful False Flag indicator. For a False Flag to work, it cant have alternative perpetrators or confusion as to who did what. The story has to be presented fully formed and at high volume right from the start

Notable quotes:
"... nowadays my default position is to assume it's a false flag/hoax and wait for the Grassy Knollers to arrive and dismantle the narrative. ..."
"... I've also come to the understanding that the most salient point of these events is the exploitation that now inevitably follows. The manner, method, and speed with which the soon-to-follow attempt at exploitation propagates is more interesting than the actual event. ..."
May 23, 2017 | www.unz.com

Miro23 , May 23, 2017 at 6:25 am GMT

@Erebus WND has a good update on developments, even though it is "according to a WND source close to the situation."...
http://www.wnd.com/2017/05/bar-manager-cops-never-talked-with-staff-about-night-seth-rich-died/

The frustration in trying to figure out what is going on is that the world is now full of "sound and fury" signifying, not nothing but the frantic efforts by competing factions to control narratives. The noise is everywhere, all the time, and reading 30k words of crap to glean 1k words of plausibility requires an ongoing investment that's difficult to maintain. So, I've taken a different tack...

Take the Manchester bomb last night. Too early, and too little info for me to come to any sort of conclusion, but nowadays my default position is to assume it's a false flag/hoax and wait for the Grassy Knollers to arrive and dismantle the narrative. Right or wrong, they provide an invaluable yeoman's service in ferreting out what really happened.

I've also come to the understanding that the most salient point of these events is the exploitation that now inevitably follows. The manner, method, and speed with which the soon-to-follow attempt at exploitation propagates is more interesting than the actual event. It's the "Why?" behind the "How?". So, I'll wait to see whether the West should "Bomb Iran/Syria/Yemen!", or if "The Russians did it!" after all. Maybe it was the "Brexit" supporters, or the "Bremains". I don't know at this point, but it will clear up soon. 19-20 dead, so this is big enough to set the stage for somebody's meme.

Apropos the Seth Rich/email saga...

I was excitedly directed to a poster who appeared on 4Chan recently, claiming to be the ER surgeon on duty when Rich was brought in. The poster says the wounds were not life threatening, gives some details of his/her treatment of Rich's routine abdominal gunshot wounds, and weaves a coherent, professional sounding narrative about hospital routines and their disruption by Law Enforcement. All quite plausible, except for the fact that his/her timeline makes no sense, and contradicts what is officially known. Also, (s)he'd be trivial to identify, so why bother with anonymity? IOW, probably a provocation, so I wasted half an hour finding and reading it.

Lyndon B. Johnson arranged John F. Kennedy's assassination - Roger Stone

In his new book, political operative and strategist Roger Stone has claimed that former president Lyndon B. Johnson set up John F. Kennedy's assassination, which occurred on November 22, 1963. A former aide to President Reagan and confidante of Richard Nixon makes the claim in his book 'The Man who killed Kennedy - the case against LBJ.' No one man benefitted more from the assassination than Vice President Johnson, the author claims. He spoke to the Voice of Russia about the book.

For those, who don't know of Lyndon Johnson's personality and demeanor, could you describe why he would be the most logical mastermind behind JFK's assassination?

I think the reason why he is the most logical murderer of John Kennedy is that in November of 1963 Lyndon Johnson was a man, who was looking into the abyss. He was tangled up in at least two of the major public corruption scandals of the day: the Bobby Baker scandal – Baker was Johnson's right-hand man, who was taking huge bribes on Johnson's behalf in the US Senate and then Billie Sol Estes scandal. Estes was a Texas wheeler dealer businessman who had got millions of dollars in Federal contracts thanks to Lyndon Johnson. Both of those investigations were coming to a head, both of them pointed to corruption by Johnson, corruption of Biblical proportions. And Johnson knew he was going to be dumped from the ticket and probably sent to prison. So, time was running out for Lyndon Johnson. He knew that Life magazine – a very prominent American magazine at the time – planned a major expose of his financial situation and his corruption. A week after the assassination and that the information for the Life magazine article had been sent to them by attorney general Robert Kennedy who very very much wanted Lyndon Johnson off the national ticket in 1964, so he, Lyndon Johnson is your most likely perpetrator.

You said in your book that Lyndon Johnson's biographer would panic if he's reminded about Wallace. Who was that man and what role did he play in the assassination?

I believe that Malcolm Wallace, who was a long-time associate and hitman for LBJ is the actual killer, I tie Johnson to at least eight murders in Texas prior to John F. Kennedy. These were murders to cover up corruption, they were murders to cover up voter fraud through theft of elections. Johnson had murder in his repertoire. In fact I would go so far as to say that Johnson could order a murder the way you and I would order a sandwich. And it is very important historically to understand that in the immediate aftermath of Kennedy's assassination in order to justify the cover-up to many in the government, in order to get them to go along with the fiction that Lee Harvey Oswald had killed Kennedy, Johnson tried to give the impression that the assassination of John F. Kennedy was done by the Russian State. Johnson told this lie repeatedly in order to get people to go along with the cover-up, because you see, if we don't blame Oswald and we don't claim that he is a lone communist acting by himself and people learn that he is really an agent of a foreign government – the Russian government – then it would cause a major national incident, needless to say that's all a lie. In fact the KGB according to declassified documents that we got in 1985 the KGB conducted their own totally independent investigation to determine who killed Kennedy. You know what they determined? They said: it was Lyndon Johnson.

What about French intelligence? I mean, Jackie Kennedy asked the France intelligence to determine who killed her husband. So?...

Jackie Kennedy couldn't get any satisfaction from US intelligence services; nobody would tell her what was going on. She went to French intelligence, where she had some relationships – you remember Jackie Kennedy was the toast of Paris – and she asked them to conduct an investigation. They did. They published that investigation in book form. It's called "Farewell, America!" by James Hepburn and that investigation also pointed the finger at Vice President Lyndon Johnson. Johnson had the unique motive, means, and opportunity to kill. Although he did not act alone. It's very important to understand that Johnson was merely the lynchpin of the conspiracy that I believe involved the CIA – they were upset with JFK over the Bay of Pigs fiasco, involved American organized crime. They had given Kennedy 1 million dollars for his 1960 election and then they have promised to steal votes for him and successfully in Chicago, which they did. And in return Bobby Kennedy – The Attorney General, and the President's brother - had launched an all-out attack on organized crime and was trying to deport many of the same mafia figures, who had been instrumental in his own brother's election. So, the mob had the motives. And then, of course, there's big Texas oil. President Kennedy was on the cast of repelling the oil depletion allowance and that would have cost Texas oil literary billions. So, everyone in Dallas on the 22nd of November 1963 had a motive for the murder of John Kennedy.

Could you, please, tell me, how you discovered the evidence that the opaque bubble top was removed and JFK never asked for that and actually Vice Presidential aid Bill Moyers said that he did…

Bill Moyers is a very prominent American journalist today, but at that time he was on the staff of Vice President Lyndon Johnson. At Love Field he goes to the Secret Service, Moyers goes to the Secret Service and he says – and this is quote: "Get that Goddamn bubble, the President wants that goddam bubble top taken off now." Well, two Kennedy aids testified that the president never gave any such an order about removing the opaque top for the Presidential limousine. Although the bubble-top is not bullet-proof, it would have prevented a gunman from a high building from getting an accurate shot because he would not have been able to see the President. And therefore the question that one must ask mister Moyers is: since the President didn't give that order, was it the Vice-President that gave that order? It certainly sounds like it to me.

And in that case, just out of curiosity: what do you think – did Kennedy know or at least feel about what was going on around him – if so many people were against him?

We know that he did not want to go to Dallas, we know that he was fighting with Lyndon Johnson, we know that the morning before the motorcade Johnson went to President's Kennedy hotel room and he tried to persuade Kennedy to let governor John Connally who was a Johnson protégé ride in the Vice-president's car and let Senator Ralph Yarborough who was his enemy ride in the President's car – in other words – in the Death car. And the President refused. He didn't like the symbolism of that, he thought the governor should ride with the President. And they then fought, they had an argument, Johnson stormed out of the room. He was merely trying to move his protégé out of dangerous way and he failed. But it is important to know that it was Johnson, who insisted on President Kennedy goes to Texas, it was Johnson, who insisted that they take a specific route – they drove through Dealey Plaza – a rout which required secret service to violate all their own procedures in terms of sealing the buildings at both sides of the street. Any time the President's car drops below forty miles per hour – that's supposed to be a requirement – they did it in Houston, they did that in San Antonio the day before, but the buildings weren't sealed in Dallas. It's supposed to be 6 motorcycle policemen – three on either side of the President's car: there were in Huston, there were in San Antonio, there were in Chicago the week before, there were in Miami two weeks before, but in Dallas that day there were only two police officers on motorcycles and they were ordered to ride behind the rear bumper of the President's car. There're supposed to be two Secret Service agents on the rear bumper – riding the rear bumper – they were ordered off in Dallas. There supposed to be two Secret Service agents walking on either side of the car, when it drops below 20 miles per hour – they were ordered off. So, there's a lot of anomalies, a lot of violations of standard procedure that are very hard to explain other than say: I believe the US Secret Service also played a role laying down on President Kennedy that day in November.

How did JFK's death affect society, people's minds? Is the impact still present in your opinion?

I think it certainly changed our policy very dramatically – I think we moved it back into the Cold War. After the death of John F. Kennedy the important conversations between the Russian State and the United States were damaged. We know, because it was historically recorded that Nikita Khrushchev wept, when he heard of the death of Kennedy. There was an American journalist who was with Fidel Castro, when he was distraught what he learned: he said over and over again "this is very bad, this is very bad"… I think we were engaged – we were beginning to engage in some fruitful conversations in terms of easing the tensions between our countries and I think there were those in the Pentagon, those in the US military, those in our US-based intelligent services who were very unhappy about that direction. I think it is a major factor – not the factor, - but a major factor in getting John F. Kennedy killed.

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Garrison' side of the story, August 3, 2013

"...our Government is the CIA and the Pentagon, with Congress reduced to a debating society...We won't build Dachaus and Auschwitzes; the clever manipulation of the mass media is creating a concentration camp of the mind that promises to be far more effective in keeping the populace in line...I've learned enough about the machinations of the CIA in the past year to know that this is no longer the dream world America I once believed in...Huey Long once said, 'Fascism will come to America in the name of anti-fascism.'

I'm afraid, based on my own experience, that fascism will come to America in the name of national security." - Garrison's interview given to Playboy magazine in October 1967

Since 9/11, and the growth of the National Security State under Bush and Obama, that quote now seems a lot less paranoid today than it did 46 years ago. The existence of the NSA was not even known to the public back then.

Nonetheless, I've always had mixed feelings about Garrison. His heart was in the right place, and his ultimate targets were probably the right ones, but his methods were often questionable. He sometimes had an "end-justifies-the-means" mentality. There's no doubt today that Clay Shaw was associated with US intelligence, but I doubt that he was involved in the JFK plot itself. More likely he was one of Oswald's handlers, and given the compartmentalization of such a project, may not have known how Oswald would ultimately be used (the same is probably true of people like George De Mohrenschildt and Guy Banister). If Garrison could have continued his investigation privately, without being exposed by the press, things might have turned out differently.

Still, with better witnesses and suspects either dead or uncooperative, or living in states where he couldn't extradite them, Garrison rolled the dice with a very weak case and hoped something would break loose. It didn't. The mainstream media went on the attack, rushing out a flood of books questioning his integrity and sanity: Plot or Politics by Rosemary James; Counterplot by Edward J. Epstein; The Garrison Case by Milton Brener; American Grotesque by James Kirkwood. Federal agents did everything possible to disrupt and infiltrate his investigation. Jim DiEugenio's two editions of Destiny Betrayed go into great detail about the powerful forces intent on stopping Garrison.

Eventually, other JFK researchers like Harold Weisberg and Sylvia Meagher turned against him when they saw how he was bluffing his way through the case against Shaw, lining up highly questionable witnesses against him. Every attempt to go after higher-ups failed. Garrison subpoenaed former CIA director Allen Dulles to testify, but Dulles ignored it. He managed to convince the jury that a conspiracy was behind JFK's death, but the evidence of Shaw's involvement was (and is) not enough to convict the man.

http://www.amazon.com/Its-Time-For-Truth-Cover-up/dp/1480107263/ref=pd_cp_b_3

Outstanding Book Written With A Flair & With A Wry Sense Of Humor

By Stephen Courts on June 20, 2013

Format: Paperback Amazon Verified Purchase

Mr. Hurlburt has written an outstanding, easy to follow and logical analysis of the murder of President Kennedy ( and Jefferson Davis Tippet) that is full of facts and written with a wry sense of humor, mocking in a polite way the lame steam media and the various government agencies responsible for the extensive cover-up. I literally was laughing so hard in chapter eight. In this chapter Charles lays out the case (in a dream like scenario) of the prosecutor and his assistant going over the case against LHO. It is really funny how he turns the table of the "airtight" case, DA Wade assigns them.

It is obvious the author has studied the case for almost 50 years and writing this concise 305 page book for almost 20 years. It is well documented and foot noted. He pulls no punches with his description of the perpetuators of the crime of the century and the various layers responsible. I particularly liked the sense of humor as he debunks the government case of the lone nut. It is remarkable he was able to squeeze so much information in such a short book. The description in the "fork in the road" with Earl Warren is superb! It is a case of what if Warren had chosen to do the right thing instead of going along to get along with the government's lone nut scenario. That pretend conversation is worth the price of the book alone.

Having read well over a hundred and fifty books on the murder of President Kennedy, this one stands out for covering so much ground, some new for me, and for the ease of reading. I read it in one day....it was that compelling and well written. The author gives his best estimate of who the guilty parties are and a lot of credit to those that preceded his book. He takes apart Posner and Bugliosi and rightfully blames the lame stream media for their complicity in the cover-up for 49 and 1/2 years.

This book is a great tool for the beginner as well as a valuable reference for the seasoned researcher. I can guarantee you will love this book, if you are not part of the problem, i.e. CIA, FBI, weak ineffective politicians and others who played a part in this monstrous crime or the ensuing cover-up or the believers of the "Johnson Commission". (I get criticized for calling it the Johnson Commission, but that is what it was. He chose all of the commissioners and literally twisted the arm of Chief Justice Warren to give the "Commission some credibility...in fact he told Senator Russell that it would be a rubber stamp of Hoover's FBI "investigation") If allowed, I would give this book SIX stars!

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3.0 out of 5 stars This book is a puzzle to me?, November 12, 2013

By

Herbert L Calhoun "paulocal" (Falls Church, VA USA) - See all my reviews
(REAL NAME)

This review is from: A Cruel and Shocking Act: The Secret History of the Kennedy Assassination (Hardcover)

Fifty years after the fact, it finally reveals details of a veritable bushel of reversible errors committed by the Warren Commission, the FBI, and the CIA, in investigating the JFK assassination. Almost all of these were errors, were errors that the staff lawyers knew about all along, and were errors that had occurred: from Mexico City, to the autopsy, to ignoring key witnesses, to mishandling evidence, to the faulty single bullet theory, to cockamamie theories about Oswald, and on and on -- exactly everything that the so-called crackpot conspiracy theorists and nuts had already reported on in excruciating details. Yet, this author and those staff members have waited decades before reporting to the public on these matters central to a report that was so thoroughly flawed that not even some of the Commissioners themselves would sign on to it?

Moreover, and most incredulously of all, the author fails to speculate on why it is that everyone who tried in good faith (as dutiful American citizens are wont to do, like Jim Garrison and Charles William Thomas and a host of contrarian witnesses did), all ended up publicly ostracized, rebuked, transferred, forced out of their jobs, or forced into suicide or worse, ended up dead?

Is this country no longer a democracy? Is it not a profound act of patriotism to try to assist in finding the culprits that shot our 35th president down like a dog it the streets of Dallas Texas at high noon on 11/22/63?

In addition to giving us too little too late, it seems this author's patience with the many questions such gross incompetence and gross errors begs, is infinite -- even fifty years after the fact? The most obvious answer to those questions is this: That maybe, just maybe, the single bullet theory that the Warren Commission advanced (and that not all of whose members would sign on to), is wrong? Just maybe there is an alternative more reasonable non-crackpot, non-conspiracy nut theory that better explains the mishandled facts, discrepancies and errors? I was very disappointed that while the author was quick to cast aspersions on what he referred to as conspiracy theorist crackpots and nuts, he did not once speculate about possible other alternative explanations? Nor did he mention, even in passing that those government bodies that did re-investigated the facts surrounding this case, did indeed conclude that "there was probably a conspiracy in the death of President of John F. Kennedy."

As but one example of the author's infinite patience, the very incident that is the centerpiece of this book and is also the one that ended Mr. Thomas' career and probably caused his suicide as well, is the Oswald Mexico City incident. The non-Warren Commission research on that issue has been done. It is is solid and is way above the "crackpot conspiracy theory" level. It has been so solid in fact that it forced David Atlee Phillips himself, a high-level CIA operative who was running the Oswald Mexico operation, to admit, both at a Conference at USC, and again on his deathbed that he had indeed been the author of this sloppy scenario south of the border, designed to frame Oswald? It hardly matters that Phillips had no choice in the matter but to admit to it, since all of Oswald's actions (if indeed it was Oswald at all. The FBI reported that it was an Oswald double, and the pictures and voice recordings of the person in question were destroyed by the CIA) betrayed a clumsy CIA attempt to preposition a patsy six weeks weeks before the assassination so as to be able to better implicate him later, if needed?

Is it not fair to ask: How is it possible for the CIA operators officer involved to admit to prepositioning a pasty six weeks "before the fact," and there not be a conspiracy? Even stronger proof that there was a high level conspiracy with the CIA at its epicenter, is the fact that James Jesus Angleton, the head of CIA counterintelligence, summarily dismissed Thomas' letter to the Secretary of State about Oswald's supposed maneuvering while in Mexico City a month and a half before the assassination. Again, is it not fair to ask, why would the director of CIA counter intelligence, not be interested in Oswald's maneuverings while in Mexico unless he already knew that they were innocent? Maybe, just maybe, all along he knew something we didn't? Three stars

[Mar 07, 2017] The Ever-Growing List of ADMITTED False Flag Attacks

Notable quotes:
"... they manage to demonize a country or individual who tries to do good in the region or for his nation. They appear to derive a sort of sick pleasure from picking out those who advocate stability and peace to paint them as dictators and monsters with lies in the disgusting MSM. Assad, Putin and Gaddafi come to mind. The whole "Assad killing his own people with chemical weapons" rubbish that was strewn all over the papers and tv ignoring reports that these were blatant false flags, while he and his wife worked tirelessly to help those displaced by the foreign invading armies of terrorists and mercenaries - these stories that are never told in the MSM - they tell me more about the despotic and insidious nature of the neocon influences in our daily lives than about the individuals they demonize. ..."
"... Quite frankly, I have no idea how the Russians could have withstood the constant libellous claims made against them. There have been moments when they seemed at the end of their patience, like when Lavrov stated point blank that Kerry was a liar, but their actions have been remarkable in their commitment to peace and justice for the victims of terror caused by the CIA and the rest of the captive US government ..."
"... What a batshit crazy bunch of evil bastards these neocons are - I cannot even begin to imagine what motivates them. Other than Tulsi Gabbard, Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, Paul Craig Robers and a few handful of sane people, there's virtually nobody trying to stop this juggernaut of evil fomenting another world war. ..."
"... The west supposedly can't stop ISIS' two lane road oil operation heading from Syria to Turkey, ..."
"... If you shutdown Langley, the worlds Fake Terrorist attacks would probably drop by 70%. Add another 20% if you shutdown Mossad, the remaining 10% being Germany, France, England ..."
"... Trust is a pleasant opiate. Always ask, " Cui bono ?" ..."
"... Capitalistic crisis in Europe a result of them running out of serfs. Ireland was on the receiving end of mass eastern European migration 10 + years ago. This totally smashed per capita net income. Eastern Europe has seen the biggest demographic crisis since ancient times, certainly on a par with the Great plague. They have transfered almost the entire youth of eastern Europe into the core usury centers. ..."
Mar 07, 2017 | www.zerohedge.com
by YHC-FTSE , Mar 7, 2017 10:17 PM

I've noticed this pattern of behaviour from the neocon zionists - they seem particularly keen, especially when they manage to demonize a country or individual who tries to do good in the region or for his nation. They appear to derive a sort of sick pleasure from picking out those who advocate stability and peace to paint them as dictators and monsters with lies in the disgusting MSM. Assad, Putin and Gaddafi come to mind. The whole "Assad killing his own people with chemical weapons" rubbish that was strewn all over the papers and tv ignoring reports that these were blatant false flags, while he and his wife worked tirelessly to help those displaced by the foreign invading armies of terrorists and mercenaries - these stories that are never told in the MSM - they tell me more about the despotic and insidious nature of the neocon influences in our daily lives than about the individuals they demonize.

Quite frankly, I have no idea how the Russians could have withstood the constant libellous claims made against them. There have been moments when they seemed at the end of their patience, like when Lavrov stated point blank that Kerry was a liar, but their actions have been remarkable in their commitment to peace and justice for the victims of terror caused by the CIA and the rest of the captive US government doing the bidding of the neocon zionists.

We're living in the strange twilight world of the empire of chaos, openly creating and supporting the most vile terrorists, conducting illegal acts of blanket surveillance, false flags and militarizing the globe with thousands of bases encroaching on people who never did us any harm. Poking and prodding them to get a reaction which they then paint as "aggression" and evidence for more encroachment of our military power. NATO's tanks are right on the border with Russia, US troops are deep in Syria rubbing shoulders with Al Qaeda and ISIS, 400 bases surround China with THAAD missiles being stationed to scan 3000km deep into China and Russia.

What a batshit crazy bunch of evil bastards these neocons are - I cannot even begin to imagine what motivates them. Other than Tulsi Gabbard, Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, Paul Craig Robers and a few handful of sane people, there's virtually nobody trying to stop this juggernaut of evil fomenting another world war.

Ms No -> YHC-FTSE , Mar 7, 2017 11:02 PM

I used to give the US public slack and blame the MSM for people's ignorance and general lack of giving a shit. Now I believe that they just don't want to know. The number one reason is cowardice. You can tell they know something when you mention key words such as CIA, NSA, Snowden, etc., and you can see their fear which commonly morphs quickly into anger towards you. It's almost as if by merely mentioning this you have brought them danger.

They don't care about others enough to want to be at risk themselves. Underneath it all they are afraid that you are right and they don't want to be at risk. They can't handle even discussing the fact that they themselves might end up in a similar danger as their nation goes despotic psycho. They just want to live in their own bubble and pretend that it isn't happening. They also seem to care about their children but no one else's. Most of these people know that they are favored in some way if they tow the line. They will always be following the safety of the crowd because it's in their interest, at least in the short term, and that's all they seem to care about. Cowards also have a tendency to prefer not to look to far down the road.

Oh Crap , Mar 7, 2017 8:08 PM

Do we think this will be an effective tool for either party to admit their own fault, participation, or other involvement in what happens on the Hill?

I think not.

JailBanksters , Mar 7, 2017 8:29 PM

The spy agencies have to keep creating False Flags by blowing people up or running over them to keep you safe, otherwise the Real Terrorists would be blowing people up or running over them.

Son of Captain Nemo , Mar 7, 2017 7:55 PM

Speaking of 9/11 and it's "legacy" for the U.S. military in the Department of Treason!!!!...

Doesn't get any more blatant than this ( https://southfront.org/us-trains-iraqi-special-forces-that-could-be-used... )

Russia, Iran, Syria... kill every single one of these "stars and stripes" motherfuckers when they set foot inside your Country again...

And from the looks of it, it already seems like we're close to "SPARKS" ( https://southfront.org/russian-us-military-jointly-operate-in-outskirts-... )

Ms No -> Son of Captain Nemo , Mar 7, 2017 10:46 PM

It's pretty bad when the US funds ISIS and one member of armed services committee has admitted such. The west supposedly can't stop ISIS' two lane road oil operation heading from Syria to Turkey, but they do have black hawks flying over the caravans guarding them, which everybody saw on video. The CIA can't stop Dabique because it's too "unsophisticated". Then the west has to evacuate their terrorists because big bad Russia is kicking the shit out of them in Syria (OMG was that awesome).

Then all of these "refugees" who are of fighting age, with cellphones and in designer jeans needed to flee the war zone. They get transported from all over the ME and Africa, including multiple areas that are not involved in the conflict but are loaded with ISIS, at somebodies expense. Then they of course, get placed on Europe's Welfare roles. Once in Europe they proceed with Soros style Maidan shit.

This doesn't even get into the building 7, box cutter, "lets rolls" episode of complete obvious bullshit, or the false fag shootings done by somebody working for a government security contract who also employed a crisis acting company and got caught smuggling "non Mexicans" into Phoenix. This of course also doesn't cover the fact that the US has constantly been busted arming Mexican drug cartels and watched the country next door fall to narco-terrorists and never did a damn thing about it.

And yet people still don't get it. It's flipping amazing.

The biggest one to me is that Mexico fell. There are people out there that actually believe that we are slaughtering in the ME and pushing for WWIII in order to make the world a free place. Meanwhile right next door a country fell to terrorism and not a peep. These fuckers are putting people in barrels of acid and they control the entire state now. We are lucky they didn't do us how they did Mexico, most likely because we are armed to the teeth. That could still be coming though. How could people be this stupid? I hate stupid people. ( ;

francis scott f... -> inosent , Mar 7, 2017 7:58 PM

The recent destabilization of the Middle East was just the opening act for the destabilization of America. False Flags out the wazoo. Got popcorn?

stampman -> RagnarRedux , Mar 7, 2017 7:45 PM

I agree, and had to stop reading as soon as "George" descended into Usual Suspect Mode by quoting the false zioinist record of events. This article is such fucking bullshit. No one gives a crap about all this "ancient history".

What is important are all of the false flags committed against the world since 9-11-2001.

The rest of this article is pure unadulterated bullshit.

JailBanksters , Mar 7, 2017 7:31 PM

If you shutdown Langley, the worlds Fake Terrorist attacks would probably drop by 70%. Add another 20% if you shutdown Mossad, the remaining 10% being Germany, France, England

rwe2late , Mar 7, 2017 7:21 PM

The Phoenix Program developed during the Vietnam War, is the foundation for US terrorism throughout the world. Assassination, torture, death squads, black sites, terror bombings and psy-ops to falsely blame atrocities on the "enemy", aka "false flags".

In fact, US "counter-terrorism(sic)" operations are necessarily false flag operations which rely (for PR) on discounting US terrorism and attributing atrocities to the enemy.

https://theinternationalreporter.org/2016/02/08/the-cias-phoenix-program...

Lumberjack , Mar 7, 2017 7:19 PM

I am positive they have more bullshit ready to go with the MSM...

Son of Captain Nemo , Mar 7, 2017 7:23 PM

Hey G.W.

That painting of the gal at the chalk board looks like Barrack Obama's mother... Was that deliberate?...

Might as well provide some of your knowledge on the "Dunham side" ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFcZy-YJOM8 ) of Obama's aka Barry Soetoro's family's CIA past and his involvement in East Asia during his formative training before being selected on behalf of the American "sheep" for U.S. Senate and shortly thereafter President of the United States with NO credentials for either station.

stampman -> Son of Captain Nemo , Mar 7, 2017 8:04 PM

http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news2...

DbePrepared , Mar 7, 2017 7:12 PM

War is a racket! Major General Smedley Butler

roadhazard , Mar 7, 2017 5:33 PM

But what about Obama wire tapping Trump. Where's the beef. Fake News.

quesnay -> roadhazard , Mar 7, 2017 6:06 PM

What about the "Trump and all his staff are actually Russian spies" narrative?

AlbertthePudding , Mar 7, 2017 4:50 PM

Well..this is comprehensive..it seems the only real wars governments wage are against their own people to protect their power. The rest is Hollywood. I notice that Saudi false flags are missing from the list. Will the communication arm of the intelligence agencies ie the MSM publish any of this or even the latest Wikileaks Vault 7? This will be their swan song I bet.

FIAT CON , Mar 7, 2017 3:23 PM

I will say it again...What have we learned from our peers...Gov's....it's ok to lie, cheat, steal, and mass murder if it forwards your agenda. This will not end well... we need to spy on all gov's to keep them honest! An NSA for the people!

underthevolcano -> FIAT CON , Mar 7, 2017 5:40 PM

I'm pretty sure that is well under way. But what we really need to do is find a test to detect psychopaths, and eliminate them.

Conax , Mar 7, 2017 3:02 PM

The air and sea attack on the USS Liberty was an attempted false flag, but her brave and determined officers and men kept her afloat and most lived to tell the tale.

George Washington -> Conax , Mar 7, 2017 3:08 PM

Yes, sir. I just haven't found anyone to plain 'ole admit it.

Volaille de Bresse , Mar 7, 2017 2:43 PM

1956 : the British/french/Israeli "Suez" operation against Egyptian president Nasser. During one of the 1st meetings an Israeli official offered a plan : Tsahal would bomb an Israeli village and then blame Egyptian forces for it.

Sounds familiar? 9/11?

George Washington -> Volaille de Bresse , Mar 7, 2017 3:14 PM

Any admission? If so, I'll add it to the list.

barysenter , Mar 7, 2017 2:09 PM

Name one school or church where true history is taught. LaRouche, Birch Society and several famous and notorius individuals have been spectacularly reviled and sometimes murdered for speaking unvarnished truth, or doing Right.

Monsanto is IG Farben. Follow that thread.

underthevolcano -> barysenter , Mar 7, 2017 5:42 PM

Nazi's. All of them. They infiltrated the US government in the 1930's, and never left.

Hillarys Server , Mar 7, 2017 2:04 PM

And this is our shining house on a hill?

Smiddywesson , Mar 7, 2017 1:28 PM

" They were supposed to force these people, the Italian public, to turn to the state to ask for greater security" so that "a state of emergency could be declared, so people would willingly trade part of their freedom for the security"

The Second Amendment not only protects you from direct government aggression, it removes the need for you to give them your freedom in exchange for the promise they will protect you. Protecting yourself is a basic right.

THE DORK OF CORK , Mar 7, 2017 1:17 PM

Italy has again recorded it's lowest birth number on record. This is because it's youth now reside in the great money centers ( see London) in search of company tokens.

This depopulation is a repeat of the national phase of usury (Westphallia) where regions of France such as the Ariege was depopulated and concentrated in urban centers.

However the scale of population movements is of a different order.

Reaper , Mar 7, 2017 1:13 PM

Trust is a pleasant opiate. Always ask, " Cui bono ?"

THE DORK OF CORK , Mar 7, 2017 1:06 PM

Capitalistic crisis in Europe a result of them running out of serfs. Ireland was on the receiving end of mass eastern European migration 10 + years ago. This totally smashed per capita net income. Eastern Europe has seen the biggest demographic crisis since ancient times, certainly on a par with the Great plague. They have transfered almost the entire youth of eastern Europe into the core usury centers.

However births imploded after the fall of the wall. Post1990 kids do not exist in sufficient numbers.