"... I also think this is Obama's move to divert attention away from the cease fire in Syria. ..."
"... The Obama/media machine scores another hollow victory. Can't wait until this guy is out of office. ..."
"... The Obama administration should be thanking Russian efforts to end the war in Syria. We know the MIC wanted this civil war to go on for another decade. ..."
"... Oh for christ's sake, once again: There were no hacks, the emails were LEAKED! Probably by Democrats disgusted by the way Bernie was treated. ..."
"... All Americans should be alarmed that their country is now losing its edge in terms of the manipulation of other countries' electoral processes. This is "unprecedented". ..."
"... Red baiting won't close down the debate. There's still no evidence of Russian hacking of the US election. And fascism is shouting people down who ask for evidence and don't just follow the President because he is attacking the outsiders. Share Facebook Twitter TheControlLeft -> osprey1957 , 30 Dec 2016 21:12 It's preferable to the Obama brigades sponsorship of Islamic terrorism Share Facebook Twitter monsieur_flaneur , 30 Dec 2016 20:49 Obama, envisioning a spot on Mt Rushmore, exits a laughing stock. Ah well Share Janjii , 30 Dec 2016 20:54 Russia defeated the US in the Ukraine and recently it received an even harder blow Syria. Next think you know the US 'administration' makes a fool of itself by expelling 35 RF officials, who would have though that! Sad to see this beautiful continent is being compromised by someone's puppets in the white house. Nato is crumbling now that Turkey t-he gateway to the Balkans, the Caspian, to the Stannies- rethinks its ties with US/NATO and moves towards Russia. It is crumbling beacuse the world begins to understand that the rationale behind 'operation gladio' /strategy of tension is still ruling the US admin. We could do without NATO, and could use a US government supporting peace rather than an administration creating war. Even Germany starts to realize that, because of the abundance of US military bases in this country, Germany is in fact 'occupied territory', a US colony if you will. The USA has underestimated people on this planet who, as opposed to US politicians, were able to put current politics in a historical perspective. US policymakers took a part of Heidegger, Locke, Freud, Descartes and others without knowing their interpretations were at least incomplete. It results from the way in which US universities teach the discretized model of two extremes with the requirement of choosing one of these without putting both in one perspective: 'Descartes or Pascal' (not both as the French do); 'black or white'; 'with or against us'. The result Americans aimed for was a stable socio-political model, same with 'Neue Sozialismus'. What they obtained was a polarized world, because, a rigid stable model can only be governed by suppression (which the Military industrial Complex is currently doing) and we do not want that. Trump may lack political experience, he may be supported by a group of ideosyncratic wealthy people attracting bad press from 'regulated media'. Equal chance of Trump having a positive or negative effect on US internal and external policy-making, and on the relationship with RF. But, Trump has one advantage: the more the Obama 'administration' barks, the more support Trump will receive to change what Bush-Clinton-Obama have ruined for their electorates; the more to celebrate for the Russians on January 13. LMichelle -> Janjii , 30 Dec 2016 20:57 Bingo. This is not about the integrity of US elections. It's about being punked in Syria this week. The problems with the electoral process in the US were massive before 2016 and never received this many Presidential press conferences. Share ga gamba , 30 Dec 2016 20:55 The U.S. has a long history of attempting to influence presidential elections in other countries – it's done so as many as 81 times between 1946 and 2000, according to a database amassed by political scientist Dov Levin of Carnegie Mellon University. That number doesn't include military coups and regime change efforts following the election of candidates the U.S. didn't like, notably those in Iran, Guatemala and Chile. Nor does it include general assistance with the electoral process, such as election monitoring. [...] In 59% of these cases, the side that received assistance came to power, although Levin estimates the average effect of "partisan electoral interventions" to be only about a 3% increase in vote share. ( Source ) I understand why some may find outside interference objectionable, but I reckon many of those who think so fail to recognise America's far-from-faultless behaviour. Curses are like chickens; they always come home to roost. Of course had the DNC leadership and the Clinton camp behaved ethically in the primary by not conspiring to tip the scale in Clinton's favour, the hack would have found nothing. What we have now is Obama forced to divert the public attention because of yet another messy scandal Hillary finds herself involved in. Clinton must be one of the most blessed people on earth; everyone bends over backwards to accommodate her ambitions. Paull01 -> ga gamba , 30 Dec 2016 21:18 Please provide an example of a political party behaving ethically during an election campaign? You reckon the republicans weren't trying to tip the scales away from Donny? Also, Clinton lost despite getting way more votes so Donny will be president and it is pointless to continue to indulge in bashing Hillary, she is now just another elderly lady enjoying her golden years. Share Facebook Twitter europeangrayling -> ga gamba , 30 Dec 2016 21:23 Also the CIA-Belgian assassination of Lamumba in 61, Congo's first democratically elected president, for the same 'geopolitical' aka 'big business' reasons as the overthrow of Mossadegh in Iran in 53, who wanted the nationalize Iranian oil for their people, and Lumumba had similar 'socialist' ideas for all the vast Congolese resources. To cut out the western business interests. And think how well the Congo has fared since, one of the worst, saddest places, chaos, civil war, more dead than in Rwanda or anywhere I think. They have not recovered from that. And Iran, they were democratic, secular, elected a guy like Mossadegh, they were 'European', but the the US and Britain overthrew him on behest of British-US oil interests, installed the Shah, their puppet dictator, and the blow-back was the Iranian religious right-wing revolution and dictatorship some 20 years later. And now the Iranian people and our 'foreign policy' are suffering. And all these US and CIA 'activities' the government had admitted and declassified, like the Gulf of Tonkin lie and false flag in Vietnam, because it was so long ago nobody cares, so it's no 'conspiracy' here, just history. But now these Clinton Democrats they really love and trust anything the CIA says, of course, they are big patriots now, and call people unpatriotic and foreign agents if they question the so honorable CIA, because they are on Hillary's side now. And the CIA in cahoots with Bush and Cheney also told us how there were these big, scary WMDs in Iraq, and mushroom clouds, and how Saddam had links with Al Qaida, all obvious lies, that any amateur who knew basic world history could tell you even then. And speaking of 'meddling', and overthrowing democratic governments, the US did the same under Obama and Hillary in Honduras just a few years ago, backed the violent coup of a democratic leftist government there, and they still refuse to call it a coup, and have legitimized the new corrupt and violent regime, are training their army, etc. Even though the EU and the US ambassador to Honduras called it a coup at the time. And for the same reasons, that leftist government didn't want to play ball with big US and western 'business interests', energy companies, didn't want to sell them their rivers and resources like the new 'good' regime now. And since that coup, 100s of indigenous activists and environmentalists have been killed, like Berta Caceres, and the violence and corruption has gone up big time under the new regime, with 1000s more killed 'in general'. Yet Obama is so concerned about 'the integrity of democracy' and elections and freedom and all that, what a nice guy. fanUS , 30 Dec 2016 20:58 The real question that Americans should be asking why Barack Obummer failed again to provide security in case of hacking Democrat's emails? Clinton did not deny that emails published by WikiLeaks were genuine. That is called freedom of press. What's wrong with public finding the truth about Clinton? Share Not4TheFaintOfHeart , 30 Dec 2016 20:59 Why would Russia be happy that Clinton lost? Why would any foreign power be happy that Clinton lost?... How many years did HRC, in her arrogance-fuelled denial, provide foreign intelligences with literally tonnes of free info??! Share furiouspurpose , 30 Dec 2016 21:03 Trump might therefore be expected to simply end the Obama sanctions. .... But if he did choose to do so, he would find himself at odds with his own party. Trump is exactly where he is today because he attacked that same party. He called bullshit on the Bush's claims to have made the US safer and called bullshit on the idea that Iraq was something that we should still do in hindsight. He trashed the idea of free trade and TTIP - another Republican shibboleth. He refused to go down the standard Republican route of trashing social security... ..."
"... All he needs to do is call bullshit on this 'evidence' of Russian hacking and remind everyone that it wasn't Russians who manned the planes on 9/11. Trump is a oafish clown - but he's not a standard politician playing standard politics. He can shrug off this oh-so-clever manoeuvre by Obama with no trouble. ..."
On Friday, the Kremlin responded to the moves, including the expulsion of 35 suspected intelligence
operatives and the closing of two Russian facilities in the US, with a shrug. Putin, it seems, is
willing simply to wait until Trump moves into the Oval Office. Trump's tweet suggested he is too.
But such provocative words could not distract the media and public from another domestic concern
for Trump – the growing perception that his predecessor has acted to
his disadvantage .
"The sanctions were clearly an attempt by the Obama administration to throw a wrench into – or [to]
box in – the next administration's relationship with Russia," said Boris Zilberman, a Russia expert
at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies.
"Putin, in part, saw through that and sidestepped it by playing good cop to [Russian foreign minister
Sergey] Lavrov and the [state] Duma, who were calling for a reciprocal response."
I also think this is Obama's move to divert attention away from the cease fire in Syria.
There the US has been supporting all these groups, flying air missions and dropping special
forces in Syria for years now, and the US has no seat at the table of the cease fire negotiations.
That should be very embarrassing for the US, but it apparently is not, because all the media wants
to talk about are these sanctions, which seem pretty trivial to me.
The Obama/media machine scores another hollow victory. Can't wait until this guy is out
of office.
Still no proof of any meddling by the Russians. Only a last gasp attempt by a weak president in
what is starting to look like a boys against men tussle with Putin. Add the Syria ceasefire brokered
by Turkey and Putin to this to show how Obama is being outmaneuvered at every turn.
Sad to see what a far cry from Obama the candidate Obama the president has turned out to be.
Action makes propaganda's effect irreversible. He who acts in obedience to propaganda can never
go back. He is now obliged to believe in that propaganda because of his past action. He is obliged
to receive from it his justification and authority, without which his action will seem to him
absurd or unjust, which would be intolerable. He is obliged to continue to advance in the direction
indicated by propaganda, for action demands more action.
Jacques Ellul:
The Obama administration should be thanking Russian efforts to end the war in Syria. We know
the MIC wanted this civil war to go on for another decade.
PS once you are there, read everything else Craig Murray has written there. This is the ambassador
HM government fired for daring to speak out against the Uzbek government's human rights abuses.
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No, no, you see you just put the word "consensus" before a pathetically transparent lie and then
apparently it magically becomes evidence based and well sourced...
All Americans should be alarmed that their country is now losing its edge in terms of the
manipulation of other countries' electoral processes. This is "unprecedented".
Where previously we had implemented such actions ourselves without fear of reciprocation we
should be concerned that we are no longer immune to such machinations by other states. These events
may represent a turning point as regards our accepted global hegemony.
Obama has been anti-Russia long before Trump came into the picture.
This article is more of a wish list than anything else.
We are told by 'experts' that 'There is now a public record of what Russia did'
Where is it? I would love to see this.
I do know that the 2 countries that carry out most cyber attacks in the world are the US and it's
main ally in the Middle East. Just ask the Iranians what they did. Share
I think all American presidents are anti Russian. Sounds like you was born 2005 or you just doing
your British citizenship. You don't know much so read this
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Obama complaining about Russian influence in American elections.
Last time I've checked it was Mr. Obama that warned British people against Brexit, wasn't?
What about the deposition of an ELECTED president in Ukraine with their support of Obama and EU?
Let's talk also about regime changes in Syria, Lybia and Egypt undertaken under Obama's administration?
Perhaps we could also remember that Obama's agencies spied 3 million of Spanyards, Merkel, Dilma
Rousseff (Brazilian President) and so on... WHAT A HIPOCRISY, OBAMA!!!! Share
You have hit the nail on the head on all your points. But America and especially the American
military needs a boogy man to justify the trillions of dollars of American tax payer money they
request to keep their military empire going. Imagine if there was no boogy man and the conclusion
was to half the American military to a size only equal to the next 6 largest militarys instead
of the present 13. Incidentally, most of the next largest militarys are allies of the United States.
This whole kerfuffle about Russian hacking has the stink of shooting the messenger. What about
concentrating on what was in the leaked e-mails. They showed a high level of deep corruption in
the DNC. That is the importance of the hacked e-mails. Whoever hacked and released them to the
American public has done the America public a great favor. If Wasserman Shultz in cohoots with
Hillary had not swung the primaries in favor of Hillary and if Obama had remembered that the constitution
says the government is for the people and by the people (the peoples choice was by a huge margin
for Bernie) and come out for Bernie, we wouldn't be in the CF we are in right now. I thought Obama
is a constitutional lawyer. So much for the constitution. The only statesman in this mess is Putin.
Thank heaven for his level headedness. The American pronouncements have the stink of the build
up to another false flag operation (the CIA revelations themselves are probably a false flag operation).
I hope Putin can keep his 'cool' in the face of American provocation.
It starts to look as if Putin and Trump wipe their shoes on Obama at this point, and it is Obama
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I've read Guardian's article on Russia's response to Obama's tantrum. Yep, it's clear why Obama
lost to Russians and can't cope with it. Now use your own advice, Barry. Go to the back of the
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They were gossipy emails ffs. If that was all it took for H. Clinton to lose to Trump, then the
Democrats really need to do an autopsy on itself. Or, here's a thought, VISIT the states where
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Well what a spiteful, petty like man this Obama has turned out to be! This is the first time his
side hasn't 'won' and he can't take it so throws his toys out the pram and risks further souring
relationships with the East. Thank goodness Putin rose above it. Share
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Few words left.....the future presidency and its administration is an absolute farce....a 'free
for all' for Trump and his cronies. Watch the rich get even richer and the poor get screwed. America
chose....they have to deal with it.
Unfortunately for those of us who aren't are going to be screwed as well. Lack of tact and ignorance
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The problem is no one trusts the agencies you mentioned anymore based on their past record....
As regards the FBI being no friend of the democrats, didn't they just let her off for storing
thousands of classified emails on a private server?
Besides, the whole world knows that the US have been sponsoring changes of Govs around the world
so it comes across as completely hypocritical.
This appears to be a smokescreen for numerous embarrassing issues relating to the election
& foreign policy.
For the record, I'm not a putin bot or fan if DT. So tired of the same old hackie responses
to anyone who questions the narrative. It's getting really boring. Share
This just shows the real character of Obama. Queering the pitch for Trump and the incoming administration.
But well done Putin for sidestepping. Clever. Much smarter than Obama. In the end lawyers make
bad Presidents and bad Prime Ministers. Share
Bit of a pot-kettle interface going on here. America leads the way in the hacking of public servers
around the world and spying on friend and enemy alike. Not long ago the CIA tapped into Angela
Merkel's mobile phone and I don't remember the same level of public outcry. Seems like America
is affronted that Russia and others are now doing what the US has done for years. And if it is
in fact the Russians - proof not yet forthcoming - this wasn't a hack into the electoral system
at all; it was a simple phishing email that the US officials were silly enough to click onto the
link.
And finally - what eventually was released was the truth. Clinton was favoured by the DNC, she
did say those things to Goldman Sachs, a CNN reporter did provide her with the questions before
the presidential debates. The truth is that the US elections were corrupted, but not by the Russians
- the culprits lie a little closer to home.
Obama tried to corner Russia, and almost all GOP lawmakers applauded Obama's action. Called it
was well overdue. But our smart president-elect comforted crying Putin right away by calling him
a smart man for not taking any actions. It is becoming more and more clear that Trump and Putin
are made for each other. I think Trump is keeping Putin on his side to take air out of overinflated
Chinese balloon. May be he was advised by his team. No one knows his game plan. Share
He is a great tactician. It certainly makes Obama look less threatening.
But he is a horrible strategist. A good strategy doesn't surprise. It makes plain to one's
opponent that things will only get worse--and one had better accommodate sooner rather than later.
It was at the heart of Reagan's strategy, which destroyed the SU.
And this is exactly the situation that Putin faces with or without sanctions. The renewed fracking
is going to keep oil and gas at lows not seen since the 90s. What was interesting was that even
Putin's stooge in the UK, Krassnov, said that Russia faced a very dire economic future. Whatever
Trump does, few Republicans are going to be accommodating after:
1) Crimea and Donbass
2) Blasting Aleppo to smithereens
3) Trying to throw the US election
The latter is an existential threat to every lawmaker, and they are hopping mad at the thought
that it could happen again.
Ironically, Putin is proving ever more clearly that Obama should have used air power in 2013,
as Putin has done in 2016.
It is a lesson that will not be lost on a Republican Congress.
1) situation caused by US Newland causing havoc in Ukraine by spending millions on regime change.
2) caused by US arming terrorists
3) lol - no serious person believes the Reds had any influence. It was the candidate. (If interference
in someone else's election was an international crime, the US would be in the dock every 6 months!)
The fool trump cannot do any worse than what's been occurring the last 15 years! Wars, invasions,
terrorist support and dossiers on mythical WMDs! It's been a disaster. US foreign policy is heavily
influenced by the CFR. He won't have a say in it. They will continue in the same diabolical fashion.
Nearly 40 years ago , at the height of the cold war when I joined up to serve my country, never
did i dream the day would come when I had more respect for the leader of Russia than a president
of the USA and that I would have more faith in the Russian media than our own fake media.
Not content with merely stealing the silverware, BO is intent on causing as much mischief as possible
before being booted out of the White House, but the Russians are not falling for it. They will
be dealing with Donald Trump in a few weeks, and there is no need to respond to Barry's diaper
baby antics.
I'm sure the Russians are hacking our internet systems, but the DNC emails that went to WikiLeaks
did not come from them. The content, outlining Podesta's plan to discredit Bernie supporters by
falsely tying them to violent acts, would indicate that a disgruntled and disgusted DNC employee
was more likely the source. Share
Of course everyone on here decrying Obama's actions knows far more and understands the cyber-attacks/election
interference issue far better than the combined resources and considered judgement of the US intelligence
community.
Of course you do. Goes without saying, all you have to do is cite an example of incompetence or
malfeasance by US intelligence agencies in the past and you rest your case.
Or maybe it's like parents who can't accept their child has been a bully or a general shit at
school. If you are a fan of the Trump-Putin axis you'll go through any self-deceiving contortions
necessary to avoid accepting reality.
Stop defending the indefensible. It happened, Obama acted (albeit slowly) and now Trump quite
properly will be expected to justify any softening of position.
Talking about self-deceiving contortions while performing your own mental gymnastics. It's quite
a show.
You say "stop defending the indefensible", while waving away any past instances of malfeasance
by US intelligence agencies in the past. To be explicit: yes, that includes meddling in other
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It is of course impossible as the USA has the most and claimed most advanced spying network on
the planet. It totally surrounds both friends and foes alike - with such technical ability the
only country who could spy and influence (e.g. arm twisting Merkal is a prime example) on any
country at will is the 'exceptional ' US Government.
Appears suspiciously likely that Obama is just bitter that his legacy is about to be dumped in
the nearest skip on Jan 20, and wants to make trouble for Trump during his last 3 weeks in office.
Hard to see how Putin could have engineered Hillary Clinton's defeat, given she won the popular
vote by 3 million.
Also Obama is extremely hypocritical as the CIA has repeatedly interfered in the affairs of
other countries over the past 60 years.
On Thursday, the Arizona senator John McCain and South Carolina senator Lindsey Graham said
in a joint statement: "The retaliatory measures announced by the Obama administration today
are long overdue.
That's all I needed to know. If lunatic war monger John McCain wants to ratchet up the tension
with a nuclear power - then it is very wise to do the opposite. Share
Red baiting won't close down the debate. There's still no evidence of Russian hacking of the
US election.
And fascism is shouting people down who ask for evidence and don't just follow the President
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Russia defeated the US in the Ukraine and recently it received an even harder blow Syria. Next
think you know the US 'administration' makes a fool of itself by expelling 35 RF officials, who
would have though that!
Sad to see this beautiful continent is being compromised by someone's puppets in the white
house. Nato is crumbling now that Turkey t-he gateway to the Balkans, the Caspian, to the Stannies-
rethinks its ties with US/NATO and moves towards Russia. It is crumbling beacuse the world begins
to understand that the rationale behind 'operation gladio' /strategy of tension is still ruling
the US admin. We could do without NATO, and could use a US government supporting peace rather
than an administration creating war. Even Germany starts to realize that, because of the abundance
of US military bases in this country, Germany is in fact 'occupied territory', a US colony if
you will.
The USA has underestimated people on this planet who, as opposed to US politicians, were able
to put current politics in a historical perspective. US policymakers took a part of Heidegger,
Locke, Freud, Descartes and others without knowing their interpretations were at least incomplete.
It results from the way in which US universities teach the discretized model of two extremes with
the requirement of choosing one of these without putting both in one perspective: 'Descartes or
Pascal' (not both as the French do); 'black or white'; 'with or against us'. The result Americans
aimed for was a stable socio-political model, same with 'Neue Sozialismus'. What they obtained
was a polarized world, because, a rigid stable model can only be governed by suppression (which
the Military industrial Complex is currently doing) and we do not want that.
Trump may lack political experience, he may be supported by a group of ideosyncratic wealthy
people attracting bad press from 'regulated media'. Equal chance of Trump having a positive or
negative effect on US internal and external policy-making, and on the relationship with RF. But,
Trump has one advantage: the more the Obama 'administration' barks, the more support Trump will
receive to change what Bush-Clinton-Obama have ruined for their electorates; the more to celebrate
for the Russians on January 13.
Bingo. This is not about the integrity of US elections. It's about being punked in Syria this
week.
The problems with the electoral process in the US were massive before 2016 and never received
this many Presidential press conferences. Share
The U.S. has a long history of attempting to influence presidential elections in other countries
– it's done so as many as 81 times between 1946 and 2000, according to a database amassed by political
scientist Dov Levin of Carnegie Mellon University.
That number doesn't include military coups and regime change efforts following the election
of candidates the U.S. didn't like, notably those in Iran, Guatemala and Chile. Nor does it include
general assistance with the electoral process, such as election monitoring. [...]
In 59% of these cases, the side that received assistance came to power, although Levin estimates
the average effect of "partisan electoral interventions" to be only about a 3% increase in vote
share. (
Source )
I understand why some may find outside interference objectionable, but I reckon many of those
who think so fail to recognise America's far-from-faultless behaviour. Curses are like chickens;
they always come home to roost.
Of course had the DNC leadership and the Clinton camp behaved ethically in the primary by not
conspiring to tip the scale in Clinton's favour, the hack would have found nothing. What we have
now is Obama forced to divert the public attention because of yet another messy scandal Hillary
finds herself involved in. Clinton must be one of the most blessed people on earth; everyone bends
over backwards to accommodate her ambitions.
Please provide an example of a political party behaving ethically during an election campaign?
You reckon the republicans weren't trying to tip the scales away from Donny?
Also, Clinton lost despite getting way more votes so Donny will be president and it is pointless
to continue to indulge in bashing Hillary, she is now just another elderly lady enjoying her golden
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Also the CIA-Belgian assassination of Lamumba in 61, Congo's first democratically elected president,
for the same 'geopolitical' aka 'big business' reasons as the overthrow of Mossadegh in Iran in
53, who wanted the nationalize Iranian oil for their people, and Lumumba had similar 'socialist'
ideas for all the vast Congolese resources. To cut out the western business interests. And think
how well the Congo has fared since, one of the worst, saddest places, chaos, civil war, more dead
than in Rwanda or anywhere I think. They have not recovered from that.
And Iran, they were democratic, secular, elected a guy like Mossadegh, they were 'European',
but the the US and Britain overthrew him on behest of British-US oil interests, installed the
Shah, their puppet dictator, and the blow-back was the Iranian religious right-wing revolution
and dictatorship some 20 years later. And now the Iranian people and our 'foreign policy' are
suffering.
And all these US and CIA 'activities' the government had admitted and declassified, like the
Gulf of Tonkin lie and false flag in Vietnam, because it was so long ago nobody cares, so it's
no 'conspiracy' here, just history. But now these Clinton Democrats they really love and trust
anything the CIA says, of course, they are big patriots now, and call people unpatriotic and foreign
agents if they question the so honorable CIA, because they are on Hillary's side now.
And the CIA in cahoots with Bush and Cheney also told us how there were these big, scary WMDs
in Iraq, and mushroom clouds, and how Saddam had links with Al Qaida, all obvious lies, that any
amateur who knew basic world history could tell you even then.
And speaking of 'meddling', and overthrowing democratic governments, the US did the same under
Obama and Hillary in Honduras just a few years ago, backed the violent coup of a democratic leftist
government there, and they still refuse to call it a coup, and have legitimized the new corrupt
and violent regime, are training their army, etc. Even though the EU and the US ambassador to
Honduras called it a coup at the time.
And for the same reasons, that leftist government didn't want to play ball with big US and
western 'business interests', energy companies, didn't want to sell them their rivers and resources
like the new 'good' regime now. And since that coup, 100s of indigenous activists and environmentalists
have been killed, like Berta Caceres, and the violence and corruption has gone up big time under
the new regime, with 1000s more killed 'in general'. Yet Obama is so concerned about 'the integrity
of democracy' and elections and freedom and all that, what a nice guy.
The real question that Americans should be asking why Barack Obummer failed again to provide security
in case of hacking Democrat's emails?
Clinton did not deny that emails published by WikiLeaks were genuine.
That is called freedom of press.
What's wrong with public finding the truth about Clinton? Share
Why would Russia be happy that Clinton lost? Why would any foreign power be happy that Clinton
lost?...
How many years did HRC, in her arrogance-fuelled denial, provide foreign intelligences with literally
tonnes of free info??! Share
Trump might therefore be expected to simply end the Obama sanctions. .... But if he did
choose to do so, he would find himself at odds with his own party.
Trump is exactly where he is today because he attacked that same party. He called bullshit
on the Bush's claims to have made the US safer and called bullshit on the idea that Iraq was something
that we should still do in hindsight. He trashed the idea of free trade and TTIP - another Republican
shibboleth. He refused to go down the standard Republican route of trashing social security...
All he needs to do is call bullshit on this 'evidence' of Russian hacking and remind everyone
that it wasn't Russians who manned the planes on 9/11. Trump is a oafish clown - but he's not
a standard politician playing standard politics. He can shrug off this oh-so-clever manoeuvre
by Obama with no trouble.
Firstly, this coup is not against a standing President, but targets an elected president set to
take office on January 20, 2017. Secondly, the attempted coup has polarized leading sectors of the
political and economic elite. It even exposes a seamy rivalry within the intelligence-security apparatus,
with the political appointees heading the CIA involved in the coup and the FBI supporting the incoming
President Trump and the constitutional process. Thirdly, the evolving coup is a sequential process,
which will build momentum and then escalate very rapidly.
Notable quotes:
"... In the past few years Latin America has experienced several examples of the seizure of Presidential power by unconstitutional means, which may help illustrate some of the current moves underway in Washington. These are especially interesting since the Obama Administration served as the 'midwife' for these 'regime changes'. ..."
"... Firstly, this coup is not against a standing President, but targets an elected president set to take office on January 20, 2017. Secondly, the attempted coup has polarized leading sectors of the political and economic elite. It even exposes a seamy rivalry within the intelligence-security apparatus, with the political appointees heading the CIA involved in the coup and the FBI supporting the incoming President Trump and the constitutional process. Thirdly, the evolving coup is a sequential process, which will build momentum and then escalate very rapidly. ..."
"... In the wake of her resounding defeat, Candidate Stein usurped authority from the national Green Party and rapidly raked in $8 million dollars in donations from Democratic Party operatives and George Soros-linked NGO's (many times the amount raised during her Presidential campaign). This dodgy money financed her demand for ballot recounts in selective states in order to challenge Trump's victory. The recounts failed to change the outcome, but it was a 'first shot across the bow', to stop Trump. It became a propaganda focus for the neo-conservative mass media to mobilize several thousand Clintonite and liberal activists. ..."
"... The 'Big Lie' was repeated and embellished at every opportunity by the print and broadcast media. The 'experts' were trotted out voicing vitriolic accusations, but they never presented any facts and documentation of a 'rigged election'. Everyday, every hour, the 'Russian Plot' was breathlessly described in the Washington Post, the New York Times, the Financial Times, CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, BBC, NPR and their overseas followers in Europe, Asia, Latin America, Oceana and Africa. The great American Empire looked increasingly like a 'banana republic'. ..."
"... The coup intensified as Trump-Putin became synonymous for "betrayal" and "election fraud". As this approached a crescendo of media hysteria, President Barack Obama stepped in and called on the CIA to seize domestic control of the investigation of Russian manipulation of the US election – essentially accusing President-Elect Trump of conspiring with the Russian government. Obama refused to reveal any proof of such a broad plot, citing 'national security'. ..."
"... Obama's last-ditch effort will not change the outcome of the election. Clearly this is designed to poison the diplomatic well and present Trump's incoming administration as dangerous. Trump's promise to improve relations with Russia will face enormous resistance in this frothy, breathless hysteria of Russophobia. ..."
"... Ultimately, President Obama is desperate to secure his legacy, which has consisted of disastrous and criminal imperial wars and military confrontations. He wants to force a continuation of his grotesque policies onto the incoming Trump Administration. ..."
"... Trump's success at thwarting the current 'Russian ploy' requires his forming counter alliances with Washington plutocrats, many of whom will oppose any diplomatic agreement with Putin. Trump's appointment of hardline economic plutocrats who are deeply committed to shredding social programs (public education, Medicare, Social Security) could ignite the anger of his mass supporters by savaging their jobs, health care, pensions and their children's future. ..."
"... If Trump defeats the avalanching media, CIA and elite-instigated coup (which interestingly lack support from the military and judiciary), he will have to thank, not only his generals and billionaire-buddies, but also his downwardly mobile mass supporters (Hillary Clinton's detested 'basket of deplorables'). ..."
"... He embarked on a major series of 'victory tours' around the country to thank his supporters among the military, workers, women and small business people and call on them to defend his election to the presidency. He will have to fulfill some of his promises to the masses or face 'the real fire', not from Clintonite shills and war-mongers, but from the very people who voted for him. ..."
"... It is true there is breaking news today but you certainly won't hear it from the mainstream media. While everyone was enjoying the holidays president Obama signed the NDAA for fiscal year 2017 into law which includes the "Countering Disinformation and Propaganda Act" and in this video Dan Dicks of Press For Truth shows how this new law is tantamount to "The Records Department of the Ministry of Truth" in George Orwell's book 1984. ..."
"... What we have to do is prove that there is an organization that includes George Soros, but is not limited to him personally–you know, a kosher nostra! ..."
"... I would dearly like to know what Moscow and Tel Aviv know about 9-11. I suspect they both know more than almost anyone else. ..."
"... Those dastardly Russkies have informed and enlightened the American public for long enough! This shall not stand! ..."
"... What I have against Obama is his regime-change war in Syria, his State Department enabled coup in Ukraine, his support of Saudi war/genocide against Yemen, his destruction of Libya, his demonization of Putin, and his bringing us to a status near war in our relations with Russia. ..."
"... Obama has been providing weapons, training, air support and propaganda for Terrorists via their affiliates in Syria, and now directly. This is a felony, if not treason. ..."
A coup has been underway to prevent President-Elect Donald Trump from
taking office and fulfilling his campaign promise to improve US-Russia relations. This 'palace coup'
is not a secret conspiracy, but an open, loud attack on the election.
The coup involves important US elites, who openly intervene on many levels from the street to
the current President, from sectors of the intelligence community, billionaire financiers out to
the more marginal 'leftist' shills of the Democratic Party.
The build-up for the coup is gaining momentum, threatening to eliminate normal constitutional
and democratic constraints. This essay describes the brazen, overt coup and the public operatives,
mostly members of the outgoing Obama regime.
The second section describes the Trump's cabinet appointments and the political measures that
the President-Elect has adopted to counter the coup. We conclude with an evaluation of the potential
political consequences of the attempted coup and Trump's moves to defend his electoral victory and
legitimacy.
The Coup as 'Process'
In the past few years Latin America has experienced several examples of the seizure of Presidential
power by unconstitutional means, which may help illustrate some of the current moves underway in
Washington. These are especially interesting since the Obama Administration served as the 'midwife'
for these 'regime changes'.
Brazil, Paraguay, Honduras and Haiti experienced coups, in which the elected Presidents were ousted
through a series of political interventions orchestrated by economic elites and their political allies
in Congress and the Judiciary.
President Obama and Secretary of State Clinton were deeply involved in these operations as part
of their established foreign policy of 'regime change'. Indeed, the 'success' of the Latin American
coups has encouraged sectors of the US elite to attempt to prevent President-elect Trump from taking
office in January.
While similarities abound, the on-going coup against Trump in the United States occurs within
a very different power configuration of proponents and antagonists.
Firstly, this coup is not against a standing President, but targets an elected president set to
take office on January 20, 2017. Secondly, the attempted coup has polarized leading sectors of the
political and economic elite. It even exposes a seamy rivalry within the intelligence-security apparatus,
with the political appointees heading the CIA involved in the coup and the FBI supporting the incoming
President Trump and the constitutional process. Thirdly, the evolving coup is a sequential process,
which will build momentum and then escalate very rapidly.
Coup-makers depend on the 'Big Lie' as their point of departure – accusing President-Elect Trump
of
being a Kremlin stooge, attributing his electoral victory to Russian intervention against his
Democratic Party opponent, Hillary Clinton and
blatant voter fraud in which the Republican Party
prevented minority voters from casting their ballot for Secretary Clinton.
The first operatives to emerge in the early stages of the coup included the marginal-left Green
Party Presidential candidate Dr. Jill Stein, who won less than 1% of the vote, as well as the mass
media.
In the wake of her resounding defeat, Candidate Stein usurped authority from the national Green
Party and rapidly raked in $8 million dollars in donations from Democratic Party operatives and George
Soros-linked NGO's (many times the amount raised during her Presidential campaign). This dodgy money
financed her demand for ballot recounts in selective states in order to challenge Trump's victory.
The recounts failed to change the outcome, but it was a 'first shot across the bow', to stop Trump.
It became a propaganda focus for the neo-conservative mass media to mobilize several thousand Clintonite
and liberal activists.
The purpose was to undermine the legitimacy of Trump's electoral victory. However, Jill Stein's
$8 million dollar shilling for Secretary Clinton paled before the oncoming avalanche of mass media
and NGO propaganda against Trump. Their main claim was that anonymous 'Russian hackers' and not the
American voters had decided the US Presidential election of November 2016!
The 'Big Lie' was repeated and embellished at every opportunity by the print and broadcast media.
The 'experts' were trotted out voicing vitriolic accusations, but they never presented any facts
and documentation of a 'rigged election'. Everyday, every hour, the 'Russian Plot' was breathlessly
described in the Washington Post, the New York Times, the Financial Times, CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, BBC,
NPR and their overseas followers in Europe, Asia, Latin America, Oceana and Africa. The great American
Empire looked increasingly like a 'banana republic'.
Like the Billionaire Soros-funded 'Color Revolutions', from Ukraine, to Georgia and Yugoslavia,
the 'Rainbow Revolt' against Trump, featured grass-roots NGO activists and 'serious leftists', like
Jill Stein.
The more polished political operatives from the upscale media used their editorial pages to question
Trump's illegitimacy. This established the ground work for even higher level political intervention:
The current US Administration, including President Obama, members of the US Congress from both parties,
and current and former heads of the CIA jumped into the fray. As the vote recount ploy flopped, they
all decided that 'Vladimir Putin swung the US election!' It wasn't just lunatic neo-conservative
warmongers who sought to oust Trump and impose Hillary Clinton on the American people, liberals and
social democrats were screaming 'Russian Plot!' They demanded a formal Congressional investigation
of the 'Russian cyber hacking' of Hillary's personal e-mails (where she plotted to cheat her rival
'Bernie Sanders' in the primaries). They demanded even tighter economic sanctions against Russia
and increased military provocations. The outgoing Democratic Senator and Minority Leader 'Harry'
Reid wildly accused the FBI of acting as 'Russian agents' and hinted at a purge.
ORDER IT NOW
The coup intensified as Trump-Putin became synonymous for "betrayal" and "election fraud". As this approached a crescendo of media hysteria, President Barack Obama stepped in and called
on the CIA to seize domestic control of the investigation of Russian manipulation of the US election
– essentially accusing President-Elect Trump of conspiring with the Russian government. Obama refused
to reveal any proof of such a broad plot, citing 'national security'.
President Obama solemnly declared the Trump-Putin conspiracy was a grave threat to American democracy
and Western security and freedom. He darkly promised to retaliate against Russia, " at a time and
place of our choosing".
Obama also pledged to send more US troops to the Middle East and increase arms shipments to the
jihadi terrorists in Syria, as well as the Gulf State and Saudi 'allies'. Coincidentally, the Syrian
Government and their Russian allies were poised to drive the US-backed terrorists out of Aleppo –
and defeat Obama's campaign of 'regime change' in Syria.
Trump Strikes Back: The Wall Street-Military Alliance
Meanwhile, President-Elect Donald Trump did not crumple under the Clintonite-coup in progress.
He prepared a diverse counter-attack to defend his election, relying on elite allies and mass supporters.
Trump denounced the political elements in the CIA, pointing out their previous role in manufacturing
the justifications (he used the term 'lies') for the invasion of Iraq in 2003. He appointed three
retired generals to key Defense and Security positions – indicating a power struggle between the
highly politicized CIA and the military. Active and retired members of the US Armed Forces have been
key Trump supporters. He announced that he would bring his own security teams and integrate them
with the Presidential Secret Service during his administration.
Although Clinton-Obama had the major mass media and a sector of the financial elite who supported
the coup, Trump countered by appointing several key Wall Street and corporate billionaires into his
cabinet who had their own allied business associations.
One propaganda line for the coup, which relied on certain Zionist organizations and leaders (ADL,
George Soros et al), was the bizarre claim that Trump and his supporters were 'anti-Semites'. This
was were countered by Trump's appointment of powerful Wall Street Zionists like Steven Mnuchin as
Treasury Secretary and Gary Cohn (both of Goldman Sachs) to head the National Economic Council. Faced
with the Obama-CIA plot to paint Trump as a Russian agent for Vladimir Putin, the President-Elect
named security hardliners including past and present military leaders and FBI officials, to key security
and intelligence positions.
The Coup: Can it succeed?
In early December, President Obama issued an order for the CIA to 'complete its investigation'
on the Russian plot and manipulation of the US Presidential election in six weeks – right up to the
very day of Trump's inauguration on January 20, 2017! A concoction of pre-cooked 'findings' is already
oozing out of secret clandestine CIA archives with the President's approval. Obama's last-ditch effort
will not change the outcome of the election. Clearly this is designed to poison the diplomatic well
and present Trump's incoming administration as dangerous. Trump's promise to improve relations with
Russia will face enormous resistance in this frothy, breathless hysteria of Russophobia.
Ultimately, President Obama is desperate to secure his legacy, which has consisted of disastrous
and criminal imperial wars and military confrontations. He wants to force a continuation of his grotesque
policies onto the incoming Trump Administration. Will Trump succumb? The legitimacy of his election
and his freedom to make policy will depend on overcoming the Clinton-Obama-neo-con-leftist coup with
his own bloc of US military and the powerful Wall Street allies, as well as his mass support among
the 'angry' American electorate. Trump's success at thwarting the current 'Russian ploy' requires
his forming counter alliances with Washington plutocrats, many of whom will oppose any diplomatic
agreement with Putin. Trump's appointment of hardline economic plutocrats who are deeply committed
to shredding social programs (public education, Medicare, Social Security) could ignite the anger
of his mass supporters by savaging their jobs, health care, pensions and their children's future.
If Trump defeats the avalanching media, CIA and elite-instigated coup (which interestingly lack
support from the military and judiciary), he will have to thank, not only his generals and billionaire-buddies,
but also his downwardly mobile mass supporters (Hillary Clinton's detested 'basket of deplorables').
He embarked on a major series of 'victory tours' around the country to thank his supporters among
the military, workers, women and small business people and call on them to defend his election to
the presidency. He will have to fulfill some of his promises to the masses or face 'the real fire',
not from Clintonite shills and war-mongers, but from the very people who voted for him.
A very insightful analysis. The golpistas will not be able to prevent Trump from taking power.
But will they make the country ungovernable to the extent of bringing down not just Trump but the
whole system?
If the coup forces President Trump to abandon his America First campaign promises by appointing globalists
eager to invade-the-world/invite-the-world, then the coup is a success and the Trump campaign was a
failure.
Ultimately, President Obama is desperate to secure his legacy, which has consisted of disastrous
and criminal imperial wars and military confrontations
The current wave of icon polishing we constantly are being asked to indulge seems a bit over the
top. Why is our president more devoted to legacy than Jackie Kennedy was to the care and maintenance
of the Camelot image?
Have we ever seen as fine a behind-the-curtain, Wizard of Oz act, as performed by Barrack Obama for
the past eight years? Do we know anything at all about this man aside from the fact that he loves his
wife and kids?
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@Skeptikal I expect Obama loves his kids.
Great analysis from Petras.
So many people have reacted with "first=level" thinking only as Trump's appointments have been announced:
"This guy is terrible!" Yes, but . . . look at the appointment in the "swamp" context, in the "veiled
threat" context. Harpers mag actually put a picture on its cover of Trump behind bars. That is one of
those veiled invitations like Henry II's "Will no one rid me of this man?"
I think Trump understands quite well what he is up against.
I agree completely with Petras that the compromises he must make to take office on Jan. 20 may in the
end compromise his agenda (whatever it actually is). I would expect Trump to play things by ear and
tack as necessary, as he senses changes in the wind. According to the precepts of triage, his no. 1
challenge/task now is to be sworn in on Jan. 20. All else is secondary.
Once he is in the White House he will have incomparably greater powers to flush out those who are trying
to sideline his presidency now. The latter must know this. He will be in charge of the whole Executive
Branch bureaucracy (which includes the Justice Department). ,
@animalogic Oh, yes, Robert -- To read the words "Obama" & "legacy" in the same sentence is to LOL.
What a god-awful president.
An 8 year adventure in failure, stupidity & ruthlessness.
The Trump-coup business: what a (near treasonous) disgrace. The "Russians done it" meme: "let's show
the world just how stupid, embarrassing & plain MEAN we can be". A trillion words -- & not one shred
of supporting evidence.... ?! And I thought that the old "Obama was not born in the US" trope was shameless
stupidity --
If there is any bright side here, I hope it has convinced EVERY American conservative that the neo-con's
& their identical economic twin the neoliberals are treasonous dreck who would flush the US down the
drain if they thought it to their political advantage.
Excellent analysis! Mr. Petras, you delved right into the crux of the matter of the balance of forces
in the U.S.A. at this very unusual political moment. I have only a very minor correction to make, and
it is only a language-related one: you don't really want to say that Trump's "illegitimacy" is being
questioned, but rather his legitimacy, right?
Another thing, but this time of a perhaps idiosyncratic nature: I am a teeny-weeny bit more optimistic
than you about the events to come in your country. (Too bad I cannot say this about my own poor country
Brazil, which is going faster and faster down the drain.)
@John Gruskos If the coup forces President Trump to abandon his America First campaign promises
by appointing globalists eager to invade-the-world/invite-the-world, then the coup is a success and
the Trump campaign was a failure.
The recounts failed to change the outcome, but it was a 'first shot across the bow', to stop Trump.
It became a propaganda focus for the neo-conservative mass media to mobilize several thousand Clintonite
and liberal activists.
On the contrary, this first salvo from the anti-American forces resulted in more friendly fire hits
on the attackers than it did on its intended targets. Result: a strengthening of Trump's position. It
also serve to sap morale and energy from the anti-American forces, helping dissipate their momentum.
The purpose was to undermine the legitimacy of Trump's electoral victory.
And it backfired, literally strengthening it (Trump gained votes), while undermining the anti-American
forces' legitimacy.
The purpose was to undermine the legitimacy of Trump's electoral victory. However, Jill Stein's
$8 million dollar shilling for Secretary Clinton paled before the oncoming avalanche of mass media
and NGO propaganda against Trump. Their main claim was that anonymous 'Russian hackers' and not the
American voters had decided the US Presidential election of November 2016!
This was simply a continuation of Big Media's Full Capacity Hate Machine (thanks to Whis for the
term; this is the only time I will acknowledge the debt) from the campaign. It has been running since
before Trump clinched the nomination. It will be no more effective now, than it was then. Americans
are fed up with Big Media propaganda in sufficient numbers to openly thwart its authors' will.
The big lie, as you refer to it, hasn't even produced the alleged "report" in question. The CIA supposedly
in lockstep against Trump (I don't buy that), and they can't find one hack willing to leak this "devastating"
"report"? It must suck. Probably a nothing burger.
This is all much ado about nothing. Big Media HATES Trump. They want to make sure Trump and the American
people don't forget that they HATE Trump. It's a broken strategy, doomed to failure (it will only cause
Trump to dig in and go about his agenda without their help; it certainly will not break him, or endear
him to their demands). Trump's voters all voted for him in spite of it, so it won't win them
over, either. Personally, I think Trump's low water mark of support is well behind him. Obviously subject
to future events.
Trump denounced the political elements in the CIA, pointing out their previous role in manufacturing
the justifications (he used the term 'lies') for the invasion of Iraq in 2003.
CIA mouthpieces have been pointing and sputtering in response that it was not they who cooked the
books, but parallel neoconservative chickenhawk groups in the Bush administration. The trouble with
this is that the CIA did precious little to counter the chickenhawks' narrative, instead choosing to
assent by way of silence.
Personally, I sort of doubt this imagined comity between Hussein and the CIA Ever seen Zero Dark
Thirty ? How much harder did Hussein make the CIA's job? I doubt it was Kathryn Bigelow who chose
to go out of her way to make that movie hostile to Hussein; it's far more likely that this is simply
where the material led her. I similarly doubt that the intelligence community difficulties owed to Hussein
were in any way limited to the hunt for UBL.
The trouble with this is that the CIA did precious little to counter the chickenhawks' narrative,
instead choosing to assent by way of silence.
That's not entirely accurate. CIA people like Michael Scheuer and Valery Plame were trying to undermine
the neocon narrative about Iraq and WMD, not bolster it. At that time, the neocons controlled the ranking
civilian positions at the Pentagon, but did not yet fully control the CIA This changed after Bush's
re-election, when Porter Goss was made DCI to purge all the remaining 'realists' and 'arabists' from
the agency. Now the situation in the opposite: the CIA is totally neocon, while the Pentagon is a bit
less so.
So even if what Trump is saying is technically inaccurate, it's still true at a deeper level: it was
the neocons who lied to us about WMD, just as it is now the neocons who are lying to us about
Russia.
I think Obama's right-in-the-open [a week or so ago] authorization for the sale and shipping [?]
of "man pads" to various Syrian rebel and terrorist forces is insane, and may be contrary to law.
Yes, I have no trouble calling it TREASON. It is certainly felony support for terrorists.
Man pads are shoulder held missile launchers that can destroy high and fast aircraft .such as commercial
passenger airlines [to be blamed on Russia?] and also any nations' fighter/bombers .such as Russia's
Air Force planes operating in Syria still–that were invited to do so by the elected government of Syria
which is still under attack by US proxy [terrorist] forces. Syria is a member in good standing of the
UN.
Given this I think we are all in very great danger today–now– AND I think we have to press hard
to reverse the insane Obama move vis a vis these man pads.
This truly is an emergency.
TULSI GABBARD'S BILL MAY BE TOO LITTLE TOO LATE. It may even be just window dressing or PR. [That
could be the reason Peter Welch has agreed to co-sponsor it.... The man never does anything that is
real and substantive and decent or courageous.]
IN ANY EVENT both Gabbard and Welch via this bill have now acknowledged
that Obama and the US are supporting terrorists in Syria [and elsewhere]–a felony under existing laws.
–Quite possibly an impeachable offense.
"Misprision" of treason or misprision of a felony IS ITSELF A FELONY.
If Gabbard and Welch KNOW that the man-pad authorization and other US support
for terrorists in Syria and elsewhere is presently occurring, I THINK THEY NEED TO FORCE PROSECUTION
UNDER EXISTING LAWS NOW, rather than just sponsoring a sure-to-fail NEW LAW that will prevent such things
in the far fuzzy future–or NOT.
Respectfully,
Dennis Morrisseau
US Army Officer [Vietnam era] ANTI-WAR
–FOR TRUMP–
Lieutenant Morrisseau's Rebellion
FIRECONGRESS.org
Second Vermont Republic
POB 177, W. Pawlet, VT USA 05775 [email protected]
802 645 9727
Yes finally someone has the guts to say it: Obama is a traitor and terrorist.
Said by a true antiwar hero, Lt. Morrisseau who said no to Vietnam, while in uniform, as an officer
in the U.S. Army. The New York Times and CBS Evening News picked it up back in the day. It was big,
and this is bigger, same war though, just a different name: Its called World War III, smouldering as
we speak.
Again I do urge Unz to contact Denny and get this letter up as a feature. Note that it has been sent
to Rep. Gabbard and Rep. Welch. so it is a vital, historic action, may it be recognized.
BTW Rep. Tulsi Gabbards Bill is the Stop Arming Terrorist Act.
I think Obama's right-in-the-open [a week or so ago] authorization for the sale and shipping [?] of
"man pads" to various Syrian rebel and terrorist forces is insane, and may be contrary to law.
Yes, I have no trouble calling it TREASON. It is certainly felony support for terrorists.
Man pads are shoulder held missile launchers that can destroy high and fast aircraft ....such as commercial
passenger airlines [to be blamed on Russia?] and also any nations' fighter/bombers....such as Russia's
Air Force planes operating in Syria still--that were invited to do so by the elected government of Syria
which is still under attack by US proxy [terrorist] forces. Syria is a member in good standing of the
UN.
Given this......I think we are all in very great danger today--now-- AND I think we have to press hard
to reverse the insane Obama move vis a vis these man pads.
This truly is an emergency.
TULSI GABBARD'S BILL MAY BE TOO LITTLE TOO LATE. It may even be just window dressing or PR. [That could
be the reason Peter Welch has agreed to co-sponsor it.... The man never does anything that is real and
substantive and decent or courageous.]
IN ANY EVENT both Gabbard and Welch via this bill have now acknowledged
that Obama and the US are supporting terrorists in Syria [and elsewhere]--a felony under existing laws.
--Quite possibly an impeachable offense.
"Misprision" of treason or misprision of a felony IS ITSELF A FELONY.
If Gabbard and Welch KNOW that the man-pad authorization and other US support
for terrorists in Syria and elsewhere is presently occurring, I THINK THEY NEED TO FORCE PROSECUTION
UNDER EXISTING LAWS NOW, rather than just sponsoring a sure-to-fail NEW LAW that will prevent such things
in the far fuzzy future--or NOT.
Respectfully,
Dennis Morrisseau
US Army Officer [Vietnam era] ANTI-WAR
--FOR TRUMP--
Lieutenant Morrisseau's Rebellion
FIRECONGRESS.org
Second Vermont Republic
POB 177, W. Pawlet, VT USA 05775 [email protected]
802 645 9727
The Man Pad Letter is brilliant!
It needs to be published as a feature story.
Yes finally someone has the guts to say it: Obama is a traitor and terrorist.
Said by a true antiwar hero, Lt. Morrisseau who said no to Vietnam, while in uniform, as an officer
in the U.S. Army. The New York Times and CBS Evening News picked it up back in the day. It was big,
and this is bigger, same war though, just a different name: Its called World War III, smouldering as
we speak.
Again I do urge Unz to contact Denny and get this letter up as a feature. Note that it has been sent
to Rep. Gabbard and Rep. Welch. so it is a vital, historic action, may it be recognized.
BTW Rep. Tulsi Gabbards Bill is the Stop Arming Terrorist Act.
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@El Dato Hmmm.... If I were GRU I would offer Uber services to the recipients of the manpads all
the way up to West European airports (not that this is needed, just take a truck, any truck).
What will the EU say if smouldering wreckage happens?
Especially as Obama won't be there to set the overall tone.
This is a good article but there's been a sudden shift. Incredibly, Obama has finally gotten some
balls in his dealings with Israel. And Trump is starting to sound like a neocon!
Maybe Trump is worried enough about a potential coup to dump his 'America First' platform (at least
for now) to shore up vital Jewish support for his teetering inauguration. This ploy will require a lot
of pro-Zionist noise and gesturing. Consequently, Trump is starting to play a familiar political role.
And the Zio-friendly media is holding his feet to the fire.
Has the smell of fear pushed Trump over the edge and into the lap of the Zionist establishment? It's
beginning to look that way.
Or is Trump just being a fox?
Let's face it: nobody can pull out all the stops better than Israel's Fifth Column. They've got the
money, the organization skills, the media leverage, and the raw intellectual moxie to make political
miracles/disasters happen. Trump wants them on his side. So he's is tacitly cutting a last-minute deal
with the Israelis. Trump's Zionized rhetoric (and political appointments) prove it.
This explains the apparent reversal that's now underway. Obama's pushing back while Trump is accommodating.
And, as usual, the Zions are dictating the Narrative.
As Israel Shamir reminds us: there's nothing as liberating to a politician as leaving office. Therefore,
Obama is finally free to do what's right. Trump however is facing no such luxury. And Bibi is more defiant
than ever. This is high drama. And Trump is feeling the heat.
Indeed, outgoing Sec. John Kerry just delivered a major speech where he reiterated strongly US support
for a real 'Two State' solution in Israel/Palestine.
And I thought the Two State Solution was dead.
Didn't you?
Kerry also criticized Israel's ongoing confiscation of the Occupied Territories. It was a brilliant
analysis that Kerry gave without the aid of a teleprompter. Hugely impressive. Even so, Kerry did not
throw Israel under the bus, as claimed. His speech was extremely fair.
This renewed, steadfast American position, coupled with the UNSC's unanimous vote against Israel
(which Obama permitted by not casting the usual US veto) has set the stage for a monumental showdown.
Israel has never been more isolated. But it's Trump–not Obama–that's looking weak in the face of Israeli
pressure.
Indeed, the international Jewish establishment remains uniquely powerful. They may be hated (and
appropriately so) but they get things accomplished in the political arena. Trump understands this all-too-well.
Will Trump–out of fear and necessity–run with the mega-powerful Jews who tried to sabotage his campaign?–Or
will he stay strong with America First and avoid "any more disasterous wars". It's impossible to say.
Trump is speaking out of both sides of his mouth.
I get the feeling that even Trump is unsure of where all this is going. But the situation is fast
approaching critical mass. Something's gotta give. The entire world is fed up with Israel.
Will Trump blink and take the easy road with the Zions?–Or will he summon Putin's independent, nationalistic
spirit and stay the course of 'America First'?
Unfortunately, having scrutinized the Zions in action for decades, I'm fearful that Trump will go
Pure Washington and run with the Israeli-Firsters. This will fortify his shaky political foundation.
I hope that I'm wrong about this but the Zions are brilliantly equipped to play both sides of America's
political divide. No politician is immune to their machinations.
In general, I agree with a good portion of your analysis. A few minor quibbles and
qualifications, though:
Incredibly, Obama has finally gotten some balls in his dealings with Israel.
Not really. Since he's a lame-duck president and the election is over, he's not really risking anything
here. After all, opposition to settlements in the occupied territories has been official US policy for
nearly 50 years, and when has that ever stopped Israel from founding/expanding them? No, this is just
more empty symbolism.
And I thought the Two State Solution was dead.
It's been dead foreever. The One State solution will replace it, and that will really freak out all
the Zios.
They may be hated (and appropriately so) but they get things accomplished in the political arena.
Trump understands this all-too-well.
Oderint dum metuant ("Let them hate, so long as they fear.") - Caligula ,
Trump will go Pure Washington and run with the Israeli-Firsters. This will fortify his shaky political
foundation. I hope that I'm wrong about this but the Zions are brilliantly equipped to play both
sides of America's political divide. No politician is immune to their machinations.
I'm hoping that Trump is running with the neocons just as far as is necessary to pressure congress to
confirm his cabinet appointments and make sure he isn't JFK'd before he gets into office and can set
about putting security in place to protect his own and his family's lives.
For John McBloodstain to vote for a SoS that will make nice with his nemesis; Putin, will require massive
amounts of Zio-pressure. The only way that pressure will come is if the Zio-cons are convinced that
Trump is their man.
Once his cabinet appointments are secured, then perhaps we might see some independence of action. Not
until. At least that is my hope, however naïve.
It isn't just the Zio-cons that want to poke the Russian bear, it's also the MIC. Trump has to navigate
a very dangerous mine field if he's going to end the Endless Wars and return sanity and peace to the
world. He's going to have to wrangle with the devil himself (the Fiend), and outplay him at his own
game. , @map
I wish people would stop making a big deal out of John Kerry's and Barack Obama's recent stance
on Israel. Neither of them are concerned about whatever injustice happened to the Palestinians.
What they are concerned with is Israeli actions discrediting the anti-white, anti-national globalism
program before it has successfully destroyed all of the white nations. That is the real reason why they
want a two-state solution or a right of return. If nationalists can look at the Israeli example as a
model for how to proceed then that will cause a civil war among leftists and discredit the entire left-wing
project.
Trump, therefore, pushing support for Israel's national concerns is not him bending to AIPAC. It is
a shrewd move that forces an internecine conflict between left-wing diaspora Jews and Israeli Jews.
It is a conflict Bibi is willing to have because the pet project of leftism would necessarily result
in Israel either being unlivable or largely extinct for its Jewish population. This NWO being pushed
by the diaspora is not something that will be enjoyed by Israeli Jews.
Consider the problem. The problem is that Palestinians have revanchist claims against Israel. Those
revanchist claims do not go away just because they get their own country or they get a right of return.
Either "solution" actually strengthens the Palestinian claim against Israel and results in a vastly
reduced security stance and quality of life for Israelis. The diaspora left is ok with that because
they want to continue importing revanchist groups into Europe and America to break down white countries.
So, Israel makes a small sacrifice for the greater good of anti-whitism, a deal that most Israelis do
not consider very good for themselves. Trump's support for Israeli nationalism short-circuits this project.
Of course, one could ask: why don't the Israeli Jews just move to America? What's the big deal if Israel
remains in the middle east? The big deal is the kind of jobs and activities available for Israelis to
do. A real nation requires a lot of scut work. Someone has to do the plumbing, unplug the sewers, drive
the nails, throw out the trash. Everyone can't be a doctor, a lawyer or a banker. Tradesmen, technicians,
workers are all required to get a project like Israel off the ground and maintained.
How many of these
Israelis doing scut work in Israel for a greater good want to do the same scut work in America just
to get by? The problem operates in reverse for American Jews. A Jew with an American law degree is of
no use to Israelis outside of the money he brings and whether he can throw out the trash. Diaspora Jews,
therefore, have no reason to try and live and work in Israel.
So, again, we see that Trump's move is a masterstroke. Even his appointment to counter the coup with
Zionists is brilliant, since these Zionists are rich enough to both live anywhere and indulge their
pride in nationalist endeavors. ,
As Israel Shamir reminds us: there's nothing as liberating to a politician as leaving office.
Therefore, Obama is finally free to do what's right . "
THEN WHY DOESN'T HE DO WHAT'S RIGHT? As Seamus Padraig pointed out, the UN abstention is "just more
empty symbolism." Meanwhile... The Christmas Eve attack on the First Amendment The approval of arming terrorists in Syria
The fake news about Russian hacking throwing Killary's election
Aid to terrorists is a felony. Obama should be indicted.
Most of the Western world is much sicker of the head-choppers in charge of our 'human rights'
at the UN (thanks to Obama and the UK) than it is of Israel. It is they, not we, who have funded ISIS
directly.
The real issue at stake is that Presidential control of the system is non existent, and although
Trump understands this and has intimated he is going to deal with it, it is clear his hands will now
be tied by all the traitors that run the US.
You need a Nuremburg type show trial to deal with all the (((usual suspects))) that have usurped
the constitution. (((They))) arrived with the Pilgrim Fathers and established the slave trade buying
slaves from their age old Muslim accomplices, and selling them by auction to the goyim.
(((They))) established absolute influence by having the Fed issue your currency in 1913 and forcing
the US in to three wars: WWI, WWII and Vietnam from which (((they))) made enormous profits.
You have to decide whether you want these (((professional parasitical traitors))) in your country
or not. It is probably too late to just ask them to leave, thus you are faced with the ultimate reality:
are you willing to fight a civil war to free your nation from (((their))) oppression of you?
This is the elephant in the room that none of you will address. All the rest of this subject matter
is just window dressing. Do you wish to remain economic slaves to (((these people))) or do you want
to be free [like the Syrians] and live without (((these traitor's))) usurious, inflationary and dishonest
policies based upon hate of Christ and Christianity?
My guess: the outgoing Obama administration is in a last ditch killing frenzy, to revenge Aleppo
loss!
The Berlin bus blowup, The Russian ambassador in Turkey killed and the Red army's most eminent Alexandrov's
choir send to the bottom of the black sea.
Typical CIA ops to threaten world leaders to comply with the incumbent US elite.
Watch Mike Morell (CIA) threaten world leaders:
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@annamaria The prominence of the "perfumed prince" Morell is the most telling indictment of the
so-called "elites" in the US. The arrogant, irresponsible (and untouchable) imbeciles among the real
"deciders" in the US have brought the country down to a sub-civilization status when the US does not
do diplomacy, does not follow international law, and does not keep with even marginal aspects of democracy
home and abroad. The proliferation of the incompetent and opportunists in the highest echelons of the
US government is the consequence of the lack of responsibility on the top. Morell - who has never been
in combat and never demonstrated any intellectual vigor - is a prime example of a sycophantic and poorly
educated opportunist that is endangering the US big time.
Correct me if I am wrong . plain ole citizens can start RICO suits against the likes of Soros.
It seems you may be on to something:
RICO also permits a private individual "damaged in his business or property" by a "racketeer" to
file a civil suit. The plaintiff must prove the existence of an "enterprise". The defendant(s) are
not the enterprise; in other words, the defendant(s) and the enterprise are not one and the same.[3]
There must be one of four specified relationships between the defendant(s) and the enterprise: either
the defendant(s) invested the proceeds of the pattern of racketeering activity into the enterprise
(18 U.S.C. § 1962(a)); or the defendant(s) acquired or maintained an interest in, or control of,
the enterprise through the pattern of racketeering activity (subsection (b)); or the defendant(s)
conducted or participated in the affairs of the enterprise "through" the pattern of racketeering
activity (subsection (c)); or the defendant(s) conspired to do one of the above (subsection (d)).[4]
In essence, the enterprise is either the 'prize,' 'instrument,' 'victim,' or 'perpetrator' of the
racketeers.[5] A civil RICO action can be filed in state or federal court.[6]
In the past few years Latin America has experienced several examples of the seizure of Presidential
power by unconstitutional means Brazil, Paraguay, Honduras and Haiti experienced coups
The US is not at the stage of these countries yet. To compare them to us, politically, is moronic.
In another several generations it likely will be different. But by then there won't be any "need" for
a coup.
If things keep up, the US "electorate" will be majority Third World. Then, these people will
just vote as a bloc for whomever promises them the most gibs me dat. That candidate will of course be
from the oligarchical elite. Trump is likely the last white man (or white man with even marginally white
interests at heart) to be President. Unless things drastically change, demographically.
Yes finally someone has the guts to say it: Obama is a traitor and terrorist.
Said by a true antiwar hero, Lt. Morrisseau who said no to Vietnam, while in uniform, as an officer
in the U.S. Army. The New York Times and CBS Evening News picked it up back in the day. It was big,
and this is bigger, same war though, just a different name: Its called World War III, smouldering as
we speak.
Again I do urge Unz to contact Denny and get this letter up as a feature. Note that it has been sent
to Rep. Gabbard and Rep. Welch. so it is a vital, historic action, may it be recognized.
BTW Rep. Tulsi Gabbards Bill is the Stop Arming Terrorist Act.
Hmmm . If I were GRU I would offer Uber services to the recipients of the manpads all the way up
to West European airports (not that this is needed, just take a truck, any truck).
What will the EU say if smouldering wreckage happens?
Especially as Obama won't be there to set the overall tone.
@Mark Green This is a good article but there's been a sudden shift. Incredibly, Obama has finally
gotten some balls in his dealings with Israel. And Trump is starting to sound like a neocon!
Maybe Trump is worried enough about a potential coup to dump his 'America First' platform (at least
for now) to shore up vital Jewish support for his teetering inauguration. This ploy will require a lot
of pro-Zionist noise and gesturing. Consequently, Trump is starting to play a familiar political role.
And the Zio-friendly media is holding his feet to the fire.
Has the smell of fear pushed Trump over the edge and into the lap of the Zionist establishment? It's
beginning to look that way.
Or is Trump just being a fox?
Let's face it: nobody can pull out all the stops better than Israel's Fifth Column. They've got the
money, the organization skills, the media leverage, and the raw intellectual moxie to make political
miracles/disasters happen. Trump wants them on his side. So he's is tacitly cutting a last-minute deal
with the Israelis. Trump's Zionized rhetoric (and political appointments) prove it.
This explains the apparent reversal that's now underway. Obama's pushing back while Trump is accommodating.
And, as usual, the Zions are dictating the Narrative.
As Israel Shamir reminds us: there's nothing as liberating to a politician as leaving office. Therefore,
Obama is finally free to do what's right. Trump however is facing no such luxury. And Bibi is more defiant
than ever. This is high drama. And Trump is feeling the heat.
Indeed, outgoing Sec. John Kerry just delivered a major speech where he reiterated strongly US support
for a real 'Two State' solution in Israel/Palestine.
And I thought the Two State Solution was dead.
Didn't you?
Kerry also criticized Israel's ongoing confiscation of the Occupied Territories. It was a brilliant
analysis that Kerry gave without the aid of a teleprompter. Hugely impressive. Even so, Kerry did not
throw Israel under the bus, as claimed. His speech was extremely fair.
This renewed, steadfast American position, coupled with the UNSC's unanimous vote against Israel
(which Obama permitted by not casting the usual US veto) has set the stage for a monumental showdown.
Israel has never been more isolated. But it's Trump--not Obama--that's looking weak in the face of Israeli
pressure.
Indeed, the international Jewish establishment remains uniquely powerful. They may be hated (and
appropriately so) but they get things accomplished in the political arena. Trump understands this all-too-well.
Will Trump--out of fear and necessity--run with the mega-powerful Jews who tried to sabotage his
campaign?--Or will he stay strong with America First and avoid "any more disasterous wars". It's impossible
to say. Trump is speaking out of both sides of his mouth.
I get the feeling that even Trump is unsure of where all this is going. But the situation is fast
approaching critical mass. Something's gotta give. The entire world is fed up with Israel.
Will Trump blink and take the easy road with the Zions?--Or will he summon Putin's independent, nationalistic
spirit and stay the course of 'America First'?
Unfortunately, having scrutinized the Zions in action for decades, I'm fearful that Trump will go
Pure Washington and run with the Israeli-Firsters. This will fortify his shaky political foundation.
I hope that I'm wrong about this but the Zions are brilliantly equipped to play both sides of America's
political divide. No politician is immune to their machinations.
Okay so you voted twice for BO, and now for HC, so what else is new.
Authenticjazzman, "Mensa" society member of forty-plus years and pro jazz artist.
D.C. has passed their propaganda bill so I am not shocked.
Dec 27, 2016 "Countering Disinformation and Propaganda Act" Signed Into Law! (NDAA 2017)
It is true there is breaking news today but you certainly won't hear it from the mainstream media.
While everyone was enjoying the holidays president Obama signed the NDAA for fiscal year 2017 into law
which includes the "Countering Disinformation and Propaganda Act" and in this video Dan Dicks of Press
For Truth shows how this new law is tantamount to "The Records Department of the Ministry of Truth"
in George Orwell's book 1984.
Ultimately, President Obama is desperate to secure his legacy, which has consisted of disastrous
and criminal imperial wars and military confrontations
The current wave of icon polishing we constantly are being asked to indulge seems a bit over the top.
Why is our president more devoted to legacy than Jackie Kennedy was to the care and maintenance of the
Camelot image?
Have we ever seen as fine a behind-the-curtain, Wizard of Oz act, as performed by Barrack Obama for
the past eight years? Do we know anything at all about this man aside from the fact that he loves his
wife and kids? https://robertmagill.wordpress.com/2016/12/09/barry-we-hardly-knew-ye/
I expect Obama loves his kids.
Great analysis from Petras.
So many people have reacted with "first level" thinking only as Trump's appointments have been announced:
"This guy is terrible!" Yes, but . . . look at the appointment in the "swamp" context, in the "veiled
threat" context. Harpers mag actually put a picture on its cover of Trump behind bars. That is one of
those veiled invitations like Henry II's "Will no one rid me of this man?"
I think Trump understands quite well what he is up against.
I agree completely with Petras that the compromises he must make to take office on Jan. 20 may in the
end compromise his agenda (whatever it actually is). I would expect Trump to play things by ear and
tack as necessary, as he senses changes in the wind. According to the precepts of triage, his no. 1
challenge/task now is to be sworn in on Jan. 20. All else is secondary.
Once he is in the White House he will have incomparably greater powers to flush out those who are trying
to sideline his presidency now. The latter must know this. He will be in charge of the whole Executive
Branch bureaucracy (which includes the Justice Department).
Ultimately, President Obama is desperate to secure his legacy, which has consisted of disastrous
and criminal imperial wars and military confrontations
The current wave of icon polishing we constantly are being asked to indulge seems a bit over the top.
Why is our president more devoted to legacy than Jackie Kennedy was to the care and maintenance of the
Camelot image?
Have we ever seen as fine a behind-the-curtain, Wizard of Oz act, as performed by Barrack Obama for
the past eight years? Do we know anything at all about this man aside from the fact that he loves his
wife and kids? https://robertmagill.wordpress.com/2016/12/09/barry-we-hardly-knew-ye/
Oh, yes, Robert -- To read the words "Obama" & "legacy" in the same sentence is to LOL.
What a god-awful president. An 8 year adventure in failure, stupidity & ruthlessness.
The Trump-coup business: what a (near treasonous) disgrace. The "Russians done it" meme: "let's show
the world just how stupid, embarrassing & plain MEAN we can be". A trillion words - & not one shred
of supporting evidence . ?! And I thought that the old "Obama was not born in the US" trope was shameless
stupidity -- If there is any bright side here, I hope it has convinced EVERY American conservative that the neo-con's
& their identical economic twin the neoliberals are treasonous dreck who would flush the US down the
drain if they thought it to their political advantage.
The recounts failed to change the outcome, but it was a 'first shot across the bow', to stop Trump.
It became a propaganda focus for the neo-conservative mass media to mobilize several thousand Clintonite
and liberal activists.
On the contrary, this first salvo from the anti-American forces resulted in more friendly fire hits
on the attackers than it did on its intended targets. Result: a strengthening of Trump's position. It
also serve to sap morale and energy from the anti-American forces, helping dissipate their momentum.
The purpose was to undermine the legitimacy of Trump's electoral victory.
And it backfired, literally strengthening it (Trump gained votes), while undermining the anti-American
forces' legitimacy.
The purpose was to undermine the legitimacy of Trump's electoral victory. However, Jill Stein's $8
million dollar shilling for Secretary Clinton paled before the oncoming avalanche of mass media and
NGO propaganda against Trump. Their main claim was that anonymous 'Russian hackers' and not the American
voters had decided the US Presidential election of November 2016!
This was simply a continuation of Big Media's Full Capacity Hate Machine (thanks to Whis for the term;
this is the only time I will acknowledge the debt) from the campaign. It has been running since before
Trump clinched the nomination. It will be no more effective now, than it was then. Americans are fed
up with Big Media propaganda in sufficient numbers to openly thwart its authors' will.
The big lie, as you refer to it, hasn't even produced the alleged "report" in question. The CIA supposedly
in lockstep against Trump (I don't buy that), and they can't find one hack willing to leak this "devastating"
"report"? It must suck. Probably a nothing burger.
This is all much ado about nothing. Big Media HATES Trump. They want to make sure Trump and the American
people don't forget that they HATE Trump. It's a broken strategy, doomed to failure (it will only cause
Trump to dig in and go about his agenda without their help; it certainly will not break him, or endear
him to their demands). Trump's voters all voted for him in spite of it, so it won't win them
over, either. Personally, I think Trump's low water mark of support is well behind him. Obviously subject
to future events.
Trump denounced the political elements in the CIA, pointing out their previous role in manufacturing
the justifications (he used the term 'lies') for the invasion of Iraq in 2003.
CIA mouthpieces have been pointing and sputtering in response that it was not they who cooked the books,
but parallel neoconservative chickenhawk groups in the Bush administration. The trouble with this is
that the CIA did precious little to counter the chickenhawks' narrative, instead choosing to assent
by way of silence.
Personally, I sort of doubt this imagined comity between Hussein and the CIA Ever seen Zero Dark
Thirty ? How much harder did Hussein make the CIA's job? I doubt it was Kathryn Bigelow who chose
to go out of her way to make that movie hostile to Hussein; it's far more likely that this is simply
where the material led her. I similarly doubt that the intelligence community difficulties owed to Hussein
were in any way limited to the hunt for UBL.
The trouble with this is that the CIA did precious little to counter the chickenhawks' narrative,
instead choosing to assent by way of silence.
That's not entirely accurate. CIA people like Michael Scheuer and Valery Plame were trying to undermine
the neocon narrative about Iraq and WMD, not bolster it. At that time, the neocons controlled the ranking
civilian positions at the Pentagon, but did not yet fully control the CIA This changed after Bush's
re-election, when Porter Goss was made DCI to purge all the remaining 'realists' and 'arabists' from
the agency. Now the situation in the opposite: the CIA is totally neocon, while the Pentagon is a bit
less so.
So even if what Trump is saying is technically inaccurate, it's still true at a deeper level: it
was the neocons who lied to us about WMD, just as it is now the neocons who are lying to us about
Russia.
@Mark Green
This is a good article but there's been a sudden shift. Incredibly, Obama has finally
gotten some balls in his dealings with Israel. And Trump is starting to sound like a neocon!
Maybe Trump is worried enough about a potential coup to dump his 'America First' platform (at least
for now) to shore up vital Jewish support for his teetering inauguration. This ploy will require a lot
of pro-Zionist noise and gesturing. Consequently, Trump is starting to play a familiar political role.
And the Zio-friendly media is holding his feet to the fire.
Has the smell of fear pushed Trump over the edge and into the lap of the Zionist establishment? It's
beginning to look that way.
Or is Trump just being a fox?
Let's face it: nobody can pull out all the stops better than Israel's Fifth Column. They've got the
money, the organization skills, the media leverage, and the raw intellectual moxie to make political
miracles/disasters happen. Trump wants them on his side. So he's is tacitly cutting a last-minute deal
with the Israelis. Trump's Zionized rhetoric (and political appointments) prove it.
This explains the apparent reversal that's now underway. Obama's pushing back while Trump is accommodating.
And, as usual, the Zions are dictating the Narrative.
As Israel Shamir reminds us: there's nothing as liberating to a politician as leaving office. Therefore,
Obama is finally free to do what's right. Trump however is facing no such luxury. And Bibi is more defiant
than ever. This is high drama. And Trump is feeling the heat.
Indeed, outgoing Sec. John Kerry just delivered a major speech where he reiterated strongly US support
for a real 'Two State' solution in Israel/Palestine.
And I thought the Two State Solution was dead.
Didn't you?
Kerry also criticized Israel's ongoing confiscation of the Occupied Territories. It was a brilliant
analysis that Kerry gave without the aid of a teleprompter. Hugely impressive. Even so, Kerry did not
throw Israel under the bus, as claimed. His speech was extremely fair.
This renewed, steadfast American position, coupled with the UNSC's unanimous vote against Israel
(which Obama permitted by not casting the usual US veto) has set the stage for a monumental showdown.
Israel has never been more isolated. But it's Trump--not Obama--that's looking weak in the face of Israeli
pressure.
Indeed, the international Jewish establishment remains uniquely powerful. They may be hated (and
appropriately so) but they get things accomplished in the political arena. Trump understands this all-too-well.
Will Trump--out of fear and necessity--run with the mega-powerful Jews who tried to sabotage his
campaign?--Or will he stay strong with America First and avoid "any more disasterous wars". It's impossible
to say. Trump is speaking out of both sides of his mouth.
I get the feeling that even Trump is unsure of where all this is going. But the situation is fast
approaching critical mass. Something's gotta give. The entire world is fed up with Israel.
Will Trump blink and take the easy road with the Zions?--Or will he summon Putin's independent, nationalistic
spirit and stay the course of 'America First'?
Unfortunately, having scrutinized the Zions in action for decades, I'm fearful that Trump will go
Pure Washington and run with the Israeli-Firsters. This will fortify his shaky political foundation.
I hope that I'm wrong about this but the Zions are brilliantly equipped to play both sides of America's
political divide. No politician is immune to their machinations.
In general, I agree with a good portion of your analysis. A few minor quibbles and qualifications,
though:
Incredibly, Obama has finally gotten some balls in his dealings with Israel.
Not really. Since he's a lame-duck president and the election is over, he's not really risking anything
here. After all, opposition to settlements in the occupied territories has been official US policy for
nearly 50 years, and when has that ever stopped Israel from founding/expanding them? No, this is just
more empty symbolism.
And I thought the Two State Solution was dead.
It's been dead for ever. The One State solution will replace it, and that will really freak out all
the Zios.
They may be hated (and appropriately so) but they get things accomplished in the political arena.
Trump understands this all-too-well.
Oderint dum metuant ("Let them hate, so long as they fear.") – Caligula
@Karl
the "shot across the bow" was the "Not My President!" demonstrations, which were long before
Dr Stein's recount circuses.
They spent a lot of money on buses and box lunches - it wouldn't fly.
Nothing else they try will fly.
Correct me if I am wrong.... plain ole citizens can start RICO suits against the likes of Soros.
Correct me if I am wrong . plain ole citizens can start RICO suits against the likes of Soros.
It seems you may be on to something:
RICO also permits a private individual "damaged in his business or property" by a "racketeer"
to file a civil suit. The plaintiff must prove the existence of an "enterprise". The defendant(s)
are not the enterprise; in other words, the defendant(s) and the enterprise are not one and the same.[3]
There must be one of four specified relationships between the defendant(s) and the enterprise: either
the defendant(s) invested the proceeds of the pattern of racketeering activity into the enterprise
(18 U.S.C. § 1962(a)); or the defendant(s) acquired or maintained an interest in, or control of,
the enterprise through the pattern of racketeering activity (subsection (b)); or the defendant(s)
conducted or participated in the affairs of the enterprise "through" the pattern of racketeering
activity (subsection (c)); or the defendant(s) conspired to do one of the above (subsection (d)).[4]
In essence, the enterprise is either the 'prize,' 'instrument,' 'victim,' or 'perpetrator' of the
racketeers.[5] A civil RICO action can be filed in state or federal court.[6]
@Max Havelaar
My guess: the outgoing Obama administration is in a last ditch killing frenzy, to
revenge Aleppo loss!
The Berlin bus blowup, The Russian ambassador in Turkey killed and the Red army's most eminent Alexandrov's
choir send to the bottom of the black sea.
Typical CIA ops to threaten world leaders to comply with the incumbent US elite.
Watch Mike Morell (CIA) threaten world leaders:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZK2FZGKAd0
The prominence of the "perfumed prince" Morell is the most telling indictment of the so-called "elites"
in the US. The arrogant, irresponsible (and untouchable) imbeciles among the real "deciders" in the
US have brought the country down to a sub-civilization status when the US does not do diplomacy, does
not follow international law, and does not keep with even marginal aspects of democracy home and abroad.
The proliferation of the incompetent and opportunists in the highest echelons of the US government is
the consequence of the lack of responsibility on the top. Morell – who has never been in combat and
never demonstrated any intellectual vigor – is a prime example of a sycophantic and poorly educated
opportunist that is endangering the US big time.
The arrogant, irresponsible (and untouchable) imbeciles among the real "deciders" in the US have
brought the country down to a sub-civilization status when the US does not do diplomacy, does not
follow international law, and does not keep with even marginal aspects of democracy home and abroad.
It is corrupt, annamaria, corrupt to the very core, corrupt throughout. Any talk of elections, honest
candidates, devoted elected representatives, etc., is sappy naivete. They're crooks; the sprinkling
of decent reps is minuscule and ineffective.
So, what to do? ,
@Max Havelaar
A serial killer, paid by US taxpayers. By universal human rights laws he would hang.
I agree with some, mostly the pro-Constitutionalist and moral spirit of the essay, but differ as
to when the Coup D'etat is going to – or has already taken place .
The coup D'etat that destroyed our American Republic, and its last Constitutional President, John
F. Kennedy, took place 53 years ago on November 22, 1963. The coup was consolidated at the cost of 2
million Vietnamese and 1 million Indonesians (1965). The assassinations of JF Kennedy's brother, Robert
Kennedy, R. Kennedy's ally, Martin L. King, Malcolm X, Fred Hampton, John Lennon, and many others, followed.
Mr. Petras, the Coup D'etat has already happened.
Our mission must be the Restore our American Republic! This is The Only Road for us. There
are no shortcuts. The choice we were given (for Hollywood President), in 2016, between a psychotic Mass
Murderer, and a mid level Mafioso Casino Owner displayed the lack of respect the Oligarchs have for
the American Sheeple. Until we rise, we will never regain our self-respect, our Honor.
I enclose a copy of our Flier, our Declaration, For The Restoration of the Republic below,
for your perusal. We (of the Anarchist Collective), have distributed it as best we can.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal governments are instituted
among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government
becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it and to institute
new government, laying its foundation on such principles "
The above is a portion of the Declaration of Independence , written by Thomas Jefferson.
We submit the following facts to the citizens of the United States.
The government of the United States has been a Totalitarian Oligarchy since the military financial aristocracy
destroyed the Democratic Republic on November 22, 1963, when they assassinated the last democratically
elected president, John Fitzgerald Kennedy , and overthrew his government. All following governments
have been unconstitutional frauds. Attempts by Robert Kennedy and Martin Luther King to restore the
Republic were interrupted by their murder.
A subsequent 12 year colonial war against Vietnam , conducted by the murderers of Kennedy,
left 2 million dead in a wake of napalm and burning villages.
In 1965 , the U.S. government orchestrated the slaughter of 1 million unarmed Indonesian civilians.
In the decade that followed the CIA murdered 100,000 Native Americans in Guatemala.
In the 1970s , the Oligarchy began the destruction and looting of America's middle class,
by encouraging the export of industry and jobs to parts of the world where workers were paid bare subsistence
wages. The 2008, Bailout of the Nation's Oligarchs cost American taxpayers $13trillion. The long
decline of the local economy has led to the political decline of our hard working citizens, as well
as the decay of cities, towns, and infrastructure, such as education.
The impoverishment of America's middle class has undermined the nation's financial stability. Without
a productive foundation, the government has accumulated a huge debt in excess of $19trillion . This debt will have to be paid, or suffered by future generations. Concurrently, the top 1% of the
nation's population has benefited enormously from the discomfiture of the rest. The interest rate has
been reduced to 0, thereby slowly robbing millions of depositors of their savings, as their savings
cannot stay even with the inflation rate.
The government spends the declining national wealth on bloody and never ending military adventures,
and is or has recently conducted unconstitutional wars against 9 nations. The Oligarchs maintain 700
military bases in 131 countries; they spend as much on military weapons of terror as the rest of the
nations of the world combined. Tellingly, more than half the government budget is spent on the military
and 16 associated secret agencies.
The nightmare of a powerful centralized government crushing the rights of the people, so feared by the
Founders of the United States, has become a reality. The government of Obama/Biden, as with previous
administrations such as Bush/Cheney, and whoever is chosen in November 2016, operates a Gulag of dozens
of concentration camps, where prisoners are denied trials, and routinely tortured. The Patriot Act
and The National Defense Authorizations Act , enacted by both Democratic and Republican factions
of the oligarchy, serve to establish a legal cover for their terror.
The nation's media is controlled , and, with the school systems, serve to brainwash the population;
the people are intimidated and treated with contempt.
The United States is No longer Sovereign
The United States is no longer a sovereign nation. Its government, The Executive, and Congress, is
bought, utterly owned and controlled by foreign and domestic wealthy Oligarchs, such as the Rothschilds,
Rockefellers, and Duponts , to name only a few of the best known.
The 2016 Electoral Circus will anoint new actors to occupy the same Unconstitutional Government,
with its controlling International Oligarchs. Clinton, Trump, whomever, are willing accomplices for
imperialist international murder, and destruction of nations, including ours.
For Love of Country
The Restoration of the Republic will be a Revolutionary Act, that will cancel all previous debts
owed to that unconstitutional regime and its business supporters. All debts, including Student Debts,
will be canceled. Our citizens will begin, anew, with a clean slate.
As American Founder, Thomas Jefferson wrote, in a letter to James Madison:
"I set out on this ground, which I suppose to be self evident, 'that the earth belongs in usufruct
to the living':"
"Then I say the earth belongs to each of these generations, during it's course, fully, and in their
own right. The 2d. Generation receives it clear of the debts and incumberances of the 1st. The 3d of
the 2d. and so on. For if the 1st. Could charge it with a debt, then the earth would belong to the dead
and not the living generation."
Our Citizens must restore the centrality of the constitution, establishing a less powerful government
which will ensure President Franklin Roosevelt's Four Freedoms , freedom of speech and expression,
freedom to worship God in ones own way, freedom from want "which means economic understandings which
will secure to every nation a healthy peace time life for its inhabitants " and freedom from fear "which means
a world-wide reduction of armaments "
Once restored: The Constitution will become, once again, the law of the land and of a free people.
We will establish a government, hold elections, begin to direct traffic, arrest criminal politicians
of the tyrannical oligarchy, and, in short, repair the damage of the previous totalitarian governments.
For the Democratic Republic! Sons and Daughters of Liberty [email protected]
@annamaria
The prominence of the "perfumed prince" Morell is the most telling indictment of the
so-called "elites" in the US. The arrogant, irresponsible (and untouchable) imbeciles among the real
"deciders" in the US have brought the country down to a sub-civilization status when the US does not
do diplomacy, does not follow international law, and does not keep with even marginal aspects of democracy
home and abroad. The proliferation of the incompetent and opportunists in the highest echelons of the
US government is the consequence of the lack of responsibility on the top. Morell - who has never been
in combat and never demonstrated any intellectual vigor - is a prime example of a sycophantic and poorly
educated opportunist that is endangering the US big time.
The arrogant, irresponsible (and untouchable) imbeciles among the real "deciders" in the US have
brought the country down to a sub-civilization status when the US does not do diplomacy, does not
follow international law, and does not keep with even marginal aspects of democracy home and abroad.
It is corrupt, annamaria, corrupt to the very core, corrupt throughout. Any talk of elections, honest
candidates, devoted elected representatives, etc., is sappy naivete. They're crooks; the sprinkling
of decent reps is minuscule and ineffective.
So, what to do?
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@Bill Jones
The corruption is endemic from top to bottom.
My previous residence was in Hamilton Township in Monroe County, PA . Population about 8,000.
The 3 Township Supervisors appointed themselves to township jobs- Road master, Zoning officer etc and
pay themselves twice the going rate with the occupant of the job under review abstaining while his two
palls vote him the money. Anybody challenging this is met with a shit-storm of propaganda and a mysterious
explosion in voter turn-out: guess who runs the local polls?
The chief of the local volunteer fire company has to sign off on the sprinkler systems before any occupation
certificate can be issued for a commercial building. Conveniently he runs a plumbing business. Guess
who gets the lion's share of plumbing jobs for new commercial buildings?
As they climb the greasy pole, it only gets worse.
Meanwhile the routine business of looting continues:
My local rag (an organ of the Murdoch crime family) had a little piece last year about the new 3 year
contract for the local county prison guards. I went back to the two previous two contracts and discovered
that by 2018 they will have had 33% increases over nine years. Between 2008 and 2013 (the latest years
I could find data for) median household income in the county decreased by 13%.
At some point some rogue politician will start fighting this battle.
If the US is split between Trump and Clinton supporters, then the staffs of the CIA and FBI are probably
split the same way.
The CIA and FBI leadership may take one position or another, but many CIA and FBI employees joined
these agencies in the first place to serve their country – not to assist Neo-con MENA Imperial projects,
and they know a lot more than the general public about what is really going on.
Employees can really mess things up if they have a different political orientation to their employers.
@Mark Green
This is a good article but there's been a sudden shift. Incredibly, Obama has finally
gotten some balls in his dealings with Israel. And Trump is starting to sound like a neocon!
Maybe Trump is worried enough about a potential coup to dump his 'America First' platform (at least
for now) to shore up vital Jewish support for his teetering inauguration. This ploy will require a lot
of pro-Zionist noise and gesturing. Consequently, Trump is starting to play a familiar political role.
And the Zio-friendly media is holding his feet to the fire.
Has the smell of fear pushed Trump over the edge and into the lap of the Zionist establishment? It's
beginning to look that way.
Or is Trump just being a fox?
Let's face it: nobody can pull out all the stops better than Israel's Fifth Column. They've got the
money, the organization skills, the media leverage, and the raw intellectual moxie to make political
miracles/disasters happen. Trump wants them on his side. So he's is tacitly cutting a last-minute deal
with the Israelis. Trump's Zionized rhetoric (and political appointments) prove it.
This explains the apparent reversal that's now underway. Obama's pushing back while Trump is accommodating.
And, as usual, the Zions are dictating the Narrative.
As Israel Shamir reminds us: there's nothing as liberating to a politician as leaving office. Therefore,
Obama is finally free to do what's right. Trump however is facing no such luxury. And Bibi is more defiant
than ever. This is high drama. And Trump is feeling the heat.
Indeed, outgoing Sec. John Kerry just delivered a major speech where he reiterated strongly US support
for a real 'Two State' solution in Israel/Palestine.
And I thought the Two State Solution was dead.
Didn't you?
Kerry also criticized Israel's ongoing confiscation of the Occupied Territories. It was a brilliant
analysis that Kerry gave without the aid of a teleprompter. Hugely impressive. Even so, Kerry did not
throw Israel under the bus, as claimed. His speech was extremely fair.
This renewed, steadfast American position, coupled with the UNSC's unanimous vote against Israel
(which Obama permitted by not casting the usual US veto) has set the stage for a monumental showdown.
Israel has never been more isolated. But it's Trump--not Obama--that's looking weak in the face of Israeli
pressure.
Indeed, the international Jewish establishment remains uniquely powerful. They may be hated (and
appropriately so) but they get things accomplished in the political arena. Trump understands this all-too-well.
Will Trump--out of fear and necessity--run with the mega-powerful Jews who tried to sabotage his
campaign?--Or will he stay strong with America First and avoid "any more disasterous wars". It's impossible
to say. Trump is speaking out of both sides of his mouth.
I get the feeling that even Trump is unsure of where all this is going. But the situation is fast
approaching critical mass. Something's gotta give. The entire world is fed up with Israel.
Will Trump blink and take the easy road with the Zions?--Or will he summon Putin's independent, nationalistic
spirit and stay the course of 'America First'?
Unfortunately, having scrutinized the Zions in action for decades, I'm fearful that Trump will go
Pure Washington and run with the Israeli-Firsters. This will fortify his shaky political foundation.
I hope that I'm wrong about this but the Zions are brilliantly equipped to play both sides of America's
political divide. No politician is immune to their machinations.
Trump will go Pure Washington and run with the Israeli-Firsters. This will fortify his shaky political
foundation. I hope that I'm wrong about this but the Zions are brilliantly equipped to play both
sides of America's political divide. No politician is immune to their machinations.
I'm hoping that Trump is running with the neocons just as far as is necessary to pressure congress
to confirm his cabinet appointments and make sure he isn't JFK'd before he gets into office and can
set about putting security in place to protect his own and his family's lives.
For John McBloodstain to vote for a SoS that will make nice with his nemesis; Putin, will require
massive amounts of Zio-pressure. The only way that pressure will come is if the Zio-cons are convinced
that Trump is their man.
Once his cabinet appointments are secured, then perhaps we might see some independence of action.
Not until. At least that is my hope, however naïve.
It isn't just the Zio-cons that want to poke the Russian bear, it's also the MIC. Trump has to navigate
a very dangerous mine field if he's going to end the Endless Wars and return sanity and peace to the
world. He's going to have to wrangle with the devil himself (the Fiend), and outplay him at his own
game.
I do not like saying it, but the appointment of the Palestinian hating Jew as ambassador to Israel
has disarmed the Jew community – they can no longer call Trump an anti-Semite – the most power two words
in America. The result is that the domestic side of the coup is over.
The Russian thing has to play out. The Jew forces will try and make bad blood between America and
Russia – hopefully Trump and Putin will let it play out, but really ignore it.
If we get past the inauguration, the CIA is going to be toast. GOOD!
Obama expelled 35 Russian diplomats today (effective Friday) - doing his best to screw things up before
Trump takes office. Will he start WWIII, then say Trump can't transition during war?
Obama has authorized transfer of weapons, including MANPADS, to terrorist affiliates. If we are at war
with terrorists, isn't this Treason? It is most certainly a felony under the Patriot Act - providing
aid, directly or indirectly, to terrorists.
A Bill of Impeachment against Obama might stave off WWIII.
Francis Boyle writes:
"... I am willing to serve as Counsel to any Member of the US House of Representatives willing to put
in a Bill of Impeachment against Obama as soon as Congress reconvenes-just as I did to the late, great
Congressman Henry B. Gonzalez on his Bill to Impeach Bush Sr. on the eve of Gulf War I. RIP.
Just have
the MOC get in touch with me as indicated below.
Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA
217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax)
That's not entirely accurate. CIA people like Michael Scheuer and Valery Plame were trying to
undermine the neocon narrative about Iraq and WMD, not bolster it.
It seems that our POTUS has just chosen to eject 35 Russian diplomats from our country, on grounds
of hacking the election against Hillary.
Is this some weird, preliminary "shot across the bow" in preparation for the coming "coup attempt"
you seem to believe is in the offing ?
It seem the powers-that-be are pulling out all the stops to prevent an authentic rapprochement with
Moscow.
What for ?
It makes you wonder if there is more to this than meets the eye, something beyond the sanguine disgruntlement
of the party bosses and a desire for payback against Hillary's big loss ?
Does anyone know if Russia is more aware than most Americans of certain classified details pertaining
to stuff ..like 9-11 ?
Why is cooperation between the new administration and Moscow so scary to these people that they would
initiate a preemptive diplomatic shut down ?
They seem to be dead set on welding shut every single diplomatic door to the Kremlin there is , before
Trumps inauguration.
Perhaps something "else "is being planned ..Does anyone have any ideas whats going on ?
@Tomster
What does Russian intelligence know? Err ... perhaps something like that the US/UK have
sold nukes to the head-choppers of the riyadh caliphate, say (knowing how completely mad their incestuous
brains are?). Who knows? - but such a fact could explain many inexplicable things.
@Art
I do not like saying it, but the appointment of the Palestinian hating Jew as ambassador to
Israel has disarmed the Jew community – they can no longer call Trump an anti-Semite – the most power
two words in America. The result is that the domestic side of the coup is over.
The Russian thing has to play out. The Jew forces will try and make bad blood between America and Russia
– hopefully Trump and Putin will let it play out, but really ignore it.
If we get past the inauguration, the CIA is going to be toast. GOOD!
Peace --- Art
"If we get past the inauguration ."
Obama expelled 35 Russian diplomats today (effective Friday) – doing his best to screw things up
before Trump takes office. Will he start WWIII, then say Trump can't transition during war?
Obama has authorized transfer of weapons, including MANPADS, to terrorist affiliates. If we are at
war with terrorists, isn't this Treason? It is most certainly a felony under the Patriot Act – providing
aid, directly or indirectly, to terrorists.
A Bill of Impeachment against Obama might stave off WWIII. Francis Boyle writes:
" I am willing to serve as Counsel to any Member of the US House of Representatives willing to put
in a Bill of Impeachment against Obama as soon as Congress reconvenes-just as I did to the late, great
Congressman Henry B. Gonzalez on his Bill to Impeach Bush Sr. on the eve of Gulf War I. RIP. Just have
the MOC get in touch with me as indicated below.
Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA
217-333-7954 (phone) 217-244-1478 (fax)
This is much ado about nothing - in a NYT's article today - they said that the DNC was told about
being hacked in the fall or winter of 2015 - they all knew the Russian were hacking all along!
The RNC got smart - not the DNC - it is 100% their fault. Right now they look real stupid.
Really - how pissed off can they be?
Peace --- Art
p.s. I do not blame Obama – he had to do something – looks like he did the minimum.
@Mark Green
This is a good article but there's been a sudden shift. Incredibly, Obama has finally
gotten some balls in his dealings with Israel. And Trump is starting to sound like a neocon!
Maybe Trump is worried enough about a potential coup to dump his 'America First' platform (at least
for now) to shore up vital Jewish support for his teetering inauguration. This ploy will require a lot
of pro-Zionist noise and gesturing. Consequently, Trump is starting to play a familiar political role.
And the Zio-friendly media is holding his feet to the fire.
Has the smell of fear pushed Trump over the edge and into the lap of the Zionist establishment? It's
beginning to look that way.
Or is Trump just being a fox?
Let's face it: nobody can pull out all the stops better than Israel's Fifth Column. They've got the
money, the organization skills, the media leverage, and the raw intellectual moxie to make political
miracles/disasters happen. Trump wants them on his side. So he's is tacitly cutting a last-minute deal
with the Israelis. Trump's Zionized rhetoric (and political appointments) prove it.
This explains the apparent reversal that's now underway. Obama's pushing back while Trump is accommodating.
And, as usual, the Zions are dictating the Narrative.
As Israel Shamir reminds us: there's nothing as liberating to a politician as leaving office. Therefore,
Obama is finally free to do what's right. Trump however is facing no such luxury. And Bibi is more defiant
than ever. This is high drama. And Trump is feeling the heat.
Indeed, outgoing Sec. John Kerry just delivered a major speech where he reiterated strongly US support
for a real 'Two State' solution in Israel/Palestine.
And I thought the Two State Solution was dead.
Didn't you?
Kerry also criticized Israel's ongoing confiscation of the Occupied Territories. It was a brilliant
analysis that Kerry gave without the aid of a teleprompter. Hugely impressive. Even so, Kerry did not
throw Israel under the bus, as claimed. His speech was extremely fair.
This renewed, steadfast American position, coupled with the UNSC's unanimous vote against Israel
(which Obama permitted by not casting the usual US veto) has set the stage for a monumental showdown.
Israel has never been more isolated. But it's Trump--not Obama--that's looking weak in the face of Israeli
pressure.
Indeed, the international Jewish establishment remains uniquely powerful. They may be hated (and
appropriately so) but they get things accomplished in the political arena. Trump understands this all-too-well.
Will Trump--out of fear and necessity--run with the mega-powerful Jews who tried to sabotage his
campaign?--Or will he stay strong with America First and avoid "any more disasterous wars". It's impossible
to say. Trump is speaking out of both sides of his mouth.
I get the feeling that even Trump is unsure of where all this is going. But the situation is fast
approaching critical mass. Something's gotta give. The entire world is fed up with Israel.
Will Trump blink and take the easy road with the Zions?--Or will he summon Putin's independent, nationalistic
spirit and stay the course of 'America First'?
Unfortunately, having scrutinized the Zions in action for decades, I'm fearful that Trump will go
Pure Washington and run with the Israeli-Firsters. This will fortify his shaky political foundation.
I hope that I'm wrong about this but the Zions are brilliantly equipped to play both sides of America's
political divide. No politician is immune to their machinations.
I wish people would stop making a big deal out of John Kerry's and Barack Obama's recent stance on
Israel. Neither of them are concerned about whatever injustice happened to the Palestinians.
What they are concerned with is Israeli actions discrediting the anti-white, anti-national globalism
program before it has successfully destroyed all of the white nations. That is the real reason why they
want a two-state solution or a right of return. If nationalists can look at the Israeli example as a
model for how to proceed then that will cause a civil war among leftists and discredit the entire left-wing
project.
Trump, therefore, pushing support for Israel's national concerns is not him bending to AIPAC. It
is a shrewd move that forces an internecine conflict between left-wing diaspora Jews and Israeli Jews.
It is a conflict Bibi is willing to have because the pet project of leftism would necessarily result
in Israel either being unlivable or largely extinct for its Jewish population. This NWO being pushed
by the diaspora is not something that will be enjoyed by Israeli Jews.
Consider the problem. The problem is that Palestinians have revanchist claims against Israel. Those
revanchist claims do not go away just because they get their own country or they get a right of return.
Either "solution" actually strengthens the Palestinian claim against Israel and results in a vastly
reduced security stance and quality of life for Israelis. The diaspora left is ok with that because
they want to continue importing revanchist groups into Europe and America to break down white countries.
So, Israel makes a small sacrifice for the greater good of anti-whitism, a deal that most Israelis do
not consider very good for themselves. Trump's support for Israeli nationalism short-circuits this project.
Of course, one could ask: why don't the Israeli Jews just move to America? What's the big deal if
Israel remains in the middle east? The big deal is the kind of jobs and activities available for Israelis
to do. A real nation requires a lot of scut work. Someone has to do the plumbing, unplug the sewers,
drive the nails, throw out the trash. Everyone can't be a doctor, a lawyer or a banker. Tradesmen, technicians,
workers are all required to get a project like Israel off the ground and maintained. How many of these
Israelis doing scut work in Israel for a greater good want to do the same scut work in America just
to get by? The problem operates in reverse for American Jews. A Jew with an American law degree is of
no use to Israelis outside of the money he brings and whether he can throw out the trash. Diaspora Jews,
therefore, have no reason to try and live and work in Israel.
So, again, we see that Trump's move is a masterstroke. Even his appointment to counter the coup with
Zionists is brilliant, since these Zionists are rich enough to both live anywhere and indulge their
pride in nationalist endeavors.
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@joe webb
masterful interpretation here. But I doubt it , in spades. Trump cooled out the soccer
moms on the Negroes by yakking about Uplift. And he reduced the black vote a tad. That was very clever,
but probably did not come from Trump.
As for "The problem is that Palestinians have revanchist claims against Israel. Those revanchist
claims do not go away just because they get their own country or they get a right of return. Either
"solution" actually strengthens the Palestinian claim against Israel and results in a vastly reduced
security stance and quality of life for Israelis."
That is a huge claim which is not substantiated with argument. If the Palestinians sign a peace treaty
with Israel, and then continue to press their claims...Israel would have the moral high ground to beat
hell out of them. Clearly, the jews got the guns, and the Palestinians got nothing but world public
opinion.
Please present an argument on just how Palestinians and other Arabs could continue to logically and
morally challenge Israel. Right now, the only thing preventing Israel from cleansing Israel of Arabs
is world public opinion. That public opinion is real and a huge factor.
I have been arguing that T. may be outfoxing the jews, but I doubt it now. Don't forget the Christian evangelical vote and Christians generally who have a soft spot in their brains
for the jews.
Also, T's claim that he will end the ME wars is a big problem if he is going to go after Isis, big
time, in Syria or anywhere else. He has put himself in the rock/hard place position. I don't think he
is that smart. I voted for him of course and sent money, but...
Joe Webb ,
@RobinG
"A real nation requires a lot of scut work. Someone has to do the plumbing, unplug the sewers,
drive the nails, throw out the trash."
"The 'experts' were trotted out voicing vitriolic accusations, but they never presented any facts
and documentation of a 'rigged election'. Everyday, every hour, the 'Russian Plot' was breathlessly
described in the Washington Post, the New York Times, the Financial Times, CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, BBC,
NPR and their overseas followers in Europe, Asia, Latin America, Oceana and Africa."
You left out Fox, most of their news anchors and pundits are rabidly pro Israel and anti Russia.
There is a pretty good chance, since all else has failed so far, Obama will declare 'a special situation
martial law'. And you can be sure many on both sides of Congress will comply. This will once again demonstrate
who is on the power elite payroll. If this happens hopefully the military will be on Trumps side and
round up those responsible and proper justice meted out.
@map
I wish people would stop making a big deal out of John Kerry's and Barack Obama's recent stance
on Israel. Neither of them are concerned about whatever injustice happened to the Palestinians.
What they are concerned with is Israeli actions discrediting the anti-white, anti-national globalism
program before it has successfully destroyed all of the white nations. That is the real reason why they
want a two-state solution or a right of return. If nationalists can look at the Israeli example as a
model for how to proceed then that will cause a civil war among leftists and discredit the entire left-wing
project.
Trump, therefore, pushing support for Israel's national concerns is not him bending to AIPAC. It is
a shrewd move that forces an internecine conflict between left-wing diaspora Jews and Israeli Jews.
It is a conflict Bibi is willing to have because the pet project of leftism would necessarily result
in Israel either being unlivable or largely extinct for its Jewish population. This NWO being pushed
by the diaspora is not something that will be enjoyed by Israeli Jews.
Consider the problem. The problem is that Palestinians have revanchist claims against Israel. Those
revanchist claims do not go away just because they get their own country or they get a right of return.
Either "solution" actually strengthens the Palestinian claim against Israel and results in a vastly
reduced security stance and quality of life for Israelis. The diaspora left is ok with that because
they want to continue importing revanchist groups into Europe and America to break down white countries.
So, Israel makes a small sacrifice for the greater good of anti-whitism, a deal that most Israelis do
not consider very good for themselves. Trump's support for Israeli nationalism short-circuits this project.
Of course, one could ask: why don't the Israeli Jews just move to America? What's the big deal if Israel
remains in the middle east? The big deal is the kind of jobs and activities available for Israelis to
do. A real nation requires a lot of scut work. Someone has to do the plumbing, unplug the sewers, drive
the nails, throw out the trash. Everyone can't be a doctor, a lawyer or a banker. Tradesmen, technicians,
workers are all required to get a project like Israel off the ground and maintained. How many of these
Israelis doing scut work in Israel for a greater good want to do the same scut work in America just
to get by? The problem operates in reverse for American Jews. A Jew with an American law degree is of
no use to Israelis outside of the money he brings and whether he can throw out the trash. Diaspora Jews,
therefore, have no reason to try and live and work in Israel.
So, again, we see that Trump's move is a masterstroke. Even his appointment to counter the coup with
Zionists is brilliant, since these Zionists are rich enough to both live anywhere and indulge their
pride in nationalist endeavors.
masterful interpretation here. But I doubt it , in spades. Trump cooled out the soccer moms on the
Negroes by yakking about Uplift. And he reduced the black vote a tad. That was very clever, but probably
did not come from Trump.
As for "The problem is that Palestinians have revanchist claims against Israel. Those revanchist
claims do not go away just because they get their own country or they get a right of return. Either
"solution" actually strengthens the Palestinian claim against Israel and results in a vastly reduced
security stance and quality of life for Israelis."
That is a huge claim which is not substantiated with argument. If the Palestinians sign a peace treaty
with Israel, and then continue to press their claims Israel would have the moral high ground to beat
hell out of them. Clearly, the jews got the guns, and the Palestinians got nothing but world public
opinion.
Please present an argument on just how Palestinians and other Arabs could continue to logically and
morally challenge Israel. Right now, the only thing preventing Israel from cleansing Israel of Arabs
is world public opinion. That public opinion is real and a huge factor.
I have been arguing that T. may be outfoxing the jews, but I doubt it now. Don't forget the Christian evangelical vote and Christians generally who have a soft spot in their brains
for the jews.
Also, T's claim that he will end the ME wars is a big problem if he is going to go after Isis, big
time, in Syria or anywhere else. He has put himself in the rock/hard place position. I don't think he
is that smart. I voted for him of course and sent money, but
Joe Webb
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@map
The revanchist claim that I refer to is psychological, not moral or legal. Palestinians think
their land was stolen in the same way Mexicans think Texas and California were stolen. That feeling
will not change just because they get a two-state solution or a right of return. What it will result
in is a comfortable base from which to continue to operate against Israel, one that Israel can't afford.
It is Nationalism 101 not to allow revanchist groups in your country.
The leftists are being consistent in their ideology by opposing Israel, because they are fully on board
going after what looks like a white country attacking brown people and demanding not to be dismantled
by anti-nationalist policies. Trump suggesting the capital go to Jerusalem and supporting Bibi is just
triangulation against the left.
I feel sorry for the Palestinians and I think they have been treated very shabbily. They did lose a
lot as any refugee population would and they should be comfortably repatriated around the Muslim Middle
East. I don't know who is using them or for what purpose.
@Realist
"The 'experts' were trotted out voicing vitriolic accusations, but they never presented
any facts and documentation of a 'rigged election'. Everyday, every hour, the 'Russian Plot' was breathlessly
described in the Washington Post, the New York Times, the Financial Times, CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, BBC,
NPR and their overseas followers in Europe, Asia, Latin America, Oceana and Africa."
You left out Fox, most of their news anchors and pundits are rabidly pro Israel and anti Russia.
There is a pretty good chance, since all else has failed so far, Obama will declare 'a special situation
martial law'. And you can be sure many on both sides of Congress will comply. This will once again demonstrate
who is on the power elite payroll. If this happens hopefully the military will be on Trumps side and
round up those responsible and proper justice meted out.
The obscenity of the US behavior abroad leads directly to an alliance of ziocons and war profiteers.
Here is a highly educational paper on the exceptional amorality of the US administration:
http://www.voltairenet.org/article194709.html
"The existence of a NATO bunker in East Aleppo confirms what we have been saying about the role of NATO
LandCom in the coordination of the jihadists The liberation of Syria should continue at Idleb the
zone is de facto governed by NATO via a string of pseudo-NGO's. At least, this is what was noted last
month by a US think-tank. To beat the jihadists there, it will be necessary first of all to cut their
supply lines, in other words, close the Turtkish frontier. This is what Russian diplomacy is currently
working on." Well. After wasting the uncounted trillions of US dollars on the war on terror and after filling the
VA hospitals with the ruined young men and women and after bringing death a destruction on apocalyptic
scale to the Middle East in the name of 9/11, the US has found new bosom buddies – the hordes of fanatical
jihadis.
Obama expelled 35 Russian diplomats today (effective Friday) - doing his best to screw things up before
Trump takes office. Will he start WWIII, then say Trump can't transition during war?
Obama has authorized transfer of weapons, including MANPADS, to terrorist affiliates. If we are at war
with terrorists, isn't this Treason? It is most certainly a felony under the Patriot Act - providing
aid, directly or indirectly, to terrorists.
A Bill of Impeachment against Obama might stave off WWIII. Francis Boyle writes: "... I am willing to serve as Counsel to any Member of the US House of Representatives willing to put
in a Bill of Impeachment against Obama as soon as Congress reconvenes-just as I did to the late, great
Congressman Henry B. Gonzalez on his Bill to Impeach Bush Sr. on the eve of Gulf War I. RIP. Just have
the MOC get in touch with me as indicated below.
Francis A. Boyle Law Building 504 E. Pennsylvania Ave. Champaign IL 61820 USA 217-333-7954 (phone)
217-244-1478 (fax)
Hi RobinG,
This is much ado about nothing – in a NYT's article today – they said that the DNC was told about
being hacked in the fall or winter of 2015 – they all knew the Russian were hacking all along!
The RNC got smart – not the DNC – it is 100% their fault. Right now they look real stupid.
Really – how pissed off can they be?
Peace - Art
p.s. I do not blame Obama – he had to do something – looks like he did the minimum.
I try to write clearly, but if this is your response I've failed miserably. My interest in the hacking
is nil.
What I have against Obama is his regime-change war in Syria, his State Department enabled coup in Ukraine,
his support of Saudi war/genocide against Yemen, his destruction of Libya, his demonization of Putin,
and his bringing us to a status near war in our relations with Russia.
Obama has been providing weapons, training, air support and propaganda for Terrorists via their affiliates
in Syria, and now directly. This is a felony, if not treason.
The feds have now released their reports, detailing how the dastardly Russians darkly influenced
the 2016 presidential election by releasing Democrats' emails, and giving the American public a peek
inside the Democrat machine.
Those dastardly Russkies have informed and enlightened the American public for long enough! This
shall not stand!
This is much ado about nothing - in a NYT's article today - they said that the DNC was told about
being hacked in the fall or winter of 2015 - they all knew the Russian were hacking all along!
The RNC got smart - not the DNC - it is 100% their fault. Right now they look real stupid.
Really - how pissed off can they be?
Peace --- Art
p.s. I do not blame Obama – he had to do something – looks like he did the minimum.
Hi Art,
I try to write clearly, but if this is your response I've failed miserably. My interest in the hacking
is nil.
What I have against Obama is his regime-change war in Syria, his State Department enabled coup in
Ukraine, his support of Saudi war/genocide against Yemen, his destruction of Libya, his demonization
of Putin, and his bringing us to a status near war in our relations with Russia.
Obama has been providing weapons, training, air support and propaganda for Terrorists via their affiliates
in Syria, and now directly. This is a felony, if not treason.
What I have against Obama is his regime-change war in Syria, his State Department enabled coup in
Ukraine, his support of Saudi war/genocide against Yemen, his destruction of Libya, his demonization
of Putin, and his bringing us to a status near war in our relations with Russia.
RobinG --- Agree 100% - some times I get things crossed up --- Peace Art
I assume that everyone agrees that the final outcome of the security breach was that 'Wikileaks'
leaked internal emails of Clinton Campaign Manager Pedesta and DNC emails regarding embarrassing behavior.
No one is suggesting that the leaked information is 'fake news'.
An alternative hypothesis is that the Wikileaks material was, in fact, leaked by members of the Democratic
campaign itself.
Given that Podesta's password was 'P@ssw0rd' - does it take Russian deep state security to hack?
Though CAP is still having issues with my email and computer, yours is good to go. jpodesta p@ssw0rd
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@annamaria
The obscenity of the US behavior abroad leads directly to an alliance of ziocons and
war profiteers. Here is a highly educational paper on the exceptional amorality of the US administration:
http://www.voltairenet.org/article194709.html
"The existence of a NATO bunker in East Aleppo confirms what we have been saying about the role of NATO
LandCom in the coordination of the jihadists... The liberation of Syria should continue at Idleb ...
the zone is de facto governed by NATO via a string of pseudo-NGO's. At least, this is what was noted
last month by a US think-tank. To beat the jihadists there, it will be necessary first of all to cut
their supply lines, in other words, close the Turtkish frontier. This is what Russian diplomacy is currently
working on."
Well. After wasting the uncounted trillions of US dollars on the war on terror and after filling the
VA hospitals with the ruined young men and women and after bringing death a destruction on apocalyptic
scale to the Middle East in the name of 9/11, the US has found new bosom buddies - the hordes of fanatical
jihadis.
@joe webb
masterful interpretation here. But I doubt it , in spades. Trump cooled out the soccer
moms on the Negroes by yakking about Uplift. And he reduced the black vote a tad. That was very clever,
but probably did not come from Trump.
As for "The problem is that Palestinians have revanchist claims against Israel. Those revanchist
claims do not go away just because they get their own country or they get a right of return. Either
"solution" actually strengthens the Palestinian claim against Israel and results in a vastly reduced
security stance and quality of life for Israelis."
That is a huge claim which is not substantiated with argument. If the Palestinians sign a peace treaty
with Israel, and then continue to press their claims...Israel would have the moral high ground to beat
hell out of them. Clearly, the jews got the guns, and the Palestinians got nothing but world public
opinion.
Please present an argument on just how Palestinians and other Arabs could continue to logically and
morally challenge Israel. Right now, the only thing preventing Israel from cleansing Israel of Arabs
is world public opinion. That public opinion is real and a huge factor.
I have been arguing that T. may be outfoxing the jews, but I doubt it now. Don't forget the Christian evangelical vote and Christians generally who have a soft spot in their brains
for the jews.
Also, T's claim that he will end the ME wars is a big problem if he is going to go after Isis, big
time, in Syria or anywhere else. He has put himself in the rock/hard place position. I don't think he
is that smart. I voted for him of course and sent money, but...
Joe Webb
The revanchist claim that I refer to is psychological, not moral or legal. Palestinians think their
land was stolen in the same way Mexicans think Texas and California were stolen. That feeling will not
change just because they get a two-state solution or a right of return. What it will result in is a
comfortable base from which to continue to operate against Israel, one that Israel can't afford.
It is Nationalism 101 not to allow revanchist groups in your country.
The leftists are being consistent in their ideology by opposing Israel, because they are fully on
board going after what looks like a white country attacking brown people and demanding not to be dismantled
by anti-nationalist policies. Trump suggesting the capital go to Jerusalem and supporting Bibi is just
triangulation against the left.
I feel sorry for the Palestinians and I think they have been treated very shabbily. They did lose
a lot as any refugee population would and they should be comfortably repatriated around the Muslim Middle
East. I don't know who is using them or for what purpose.
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@Tomster
"treated very shabbily" indeed, by other Arabs - who have done virtually nothing for them.
,
@joe webb
good points. Yet, Palestinians ..."They should be comfortably repatriated around the Muslim
Middle East." sounds pretty much like an Israel talking point. How about Israel should be dissolved and the Jews repatriated around Europe and the US?
Not being an Idea world, but a Biological World, revanchism is true enough up to a point. Of course
The Revanchists of All Time are the jews, or the zionists, to speak liberalize.
As for feelings that don't change, there is a tendency for feelings to change over time, especially
when a "legal" document is signed by the participating parties. I have long advocated that the Jews
pay for the land they stole, and that that payment be made to a new Palestinian state. A Palestinian
with a home, a job, a family, and a nice car makes a lot of difference, just like anywhere else.
(We paid the Mexicans in a treaty that presumably ended the Mexican war. This is a normal state of affairs.
Mexico only "owned" California, etc, for about 25 years, and I do not think paid the injuns anything
for their land at the time. Also, if memory serves, I think Pat Buchanan claimed somewhere that there
were only about 10,000 Mexicans in California at the time, or maybe in the whole area under discussion..)
How Palestine stolen property, should be evaluated I leave to the experts. Jews would appear to have
ample resources and could pony up the dough.
The biggest problem is the US evangelicals and equally important, the nice Episcopalians and so on,
even the Catholic Church which used to Exclude Jews now luving them. This is part of our National Religion.
The Jews are god's favorites, and nobody seems to mind. Kill an Arab for Christ is the national gut
feeling, except when it gets too expensive or kills too many Americans.
As I have said, Trump is in between the rock and the hard place. If he wants to end the Jewish Wars
in the ME, he cannot luv the jews, and especially he cannot start lobbing bombs around too much...even
over Isis and the dozens of jihadist groups, especially now in Syria.
Sorry but your "comfortably repatriated" is a real howler. There is no comfort to be had by anybody
in the ME. And, like Jews with regard to your points about revanchism in general, Palestinians have
not blended into the general Arab populations of other countries, like Lebanon, etc.. Using your own
logic, the Palestinians will continue to nurse their grievances no matter where they are, just like
the Jews.
The neocon goals of failed states in the Arab World has been largely accomplished and the only way humpty-dumpty
will be put back together again is for tough Arab Strong Men to reestablish order. Like Assad, like
Hussein, etc. Arab IQ is about 85 in general. There is not going to be democracy/elections/civics lessons per the White countries's genetic predisposition.\
For that matter, Jews are not democrats. Left alone Israel, wherever it is, reverts to Rabbinic Control
and Jehovah, the Warrior God, reigns. Fact is , that is where Israel is heading anyway. Jews never invented free speech and rule of law, nor did Arabs, or any other race on the planet.
The Jews With Nukes is of World Historical Importance. And Whites have given them the Bomb, just as
Whites have given Third World inferior races, access to the Northern Cornucopia of wealth, both spiritual
and material. They will , like the jews, exploit free speech and game the economic system.
All Semites Out! Ditto just about everybody else, starting with the Chinese.
finally, if the jews had any real brains, they would get out of a neighborhood that hates them for their
jewishness, their Thefts, and their Wars. Otoh, Jews seem to thrive on being hated more than any other
race or ethnic group. Chosen to Always Complain.
I assume that everyone agrees that the final outcome of the security breach was that 'Wikileaks'
leaked internal emails of Clinton Campaign Manager Pedesta and DNC emails regarding embarrassing behavior.
No one is suggesting that the leaked information is 'fake news'.
An alternative hypothesis is that the Wikileaks material was, in fact, leaked by members of the Democratic
campaign itself.
Given that Podesta's password was 'P@ssw0rd' -- does it take Russian deep state security to hack?
Though CAP is still having issues with my email and computer, yours is good to go. jpodesta p@ssw0rd
The report is 13 pages of mostly nothing.
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DHS does not endorse any commercial product or service referenced in this advisory or otherwise. This
document is distributed as TLP:WHITE: Subject to standard copyright rules, TLP:WHITE information may
be distributed without restriction. For more information on the Traffic Light Protocol, see https://www.us-cert.gov/tlp.
An alternative hypothesis is that the Wikileaks material was, in fact, leaked by members of the
Democratic campaign itself.
His name was Seth Rich, and he did software for the DNC.
His name was Seth Rich, and he did software for the DNC.
"Was" is the operative word:
Julian Assange Suggests That DNC's Seth Rich Was Murdered For Being a Wikileaker
https://heatst.com/tech/wikileaks-offers-20000-for-information-about-seth-richs-killer/ ,
@alexander
Given all the hoaky, "evidence free" punitive assaults being launched against Moscow
today ....combined with the profusion of utterly fraudulent narratives foisted down the throats of the
American people over the last sixteen years...
Its NOT outside of reason to take a good hard look at the "Seth Rich incident" and reconstruct an
outline of events(probably) much closer to the truth than the big media would ever be willing to discuss
or admit.
Namely, that Seth Rich, a young decent kid (27) who was working as the data director for the campaign,
came across evidence of "dirty pool" within the voting systems during the DNC nomination ,which were
fraudulently (and maybe even blatantly) tilting the results towards Hillary.
He probably did the "right thing" by notifying one of the DNC bosses of the fraud ..who informed
him he would look into it and that he should keep it quite for the moment...
.I wouldn't be surprised if Seth reached out to a reporter , too, probably at the at the NY Times,
who informed his editor...who, in turn, had such deep connections to the Hillary corruption machine...that
he placed a call to a DNC backroom boss ... who , at some point, made the decision to take steps to
shut Seth's mouth, permanently...."just make it look like a robbery (or something)"
Seth, not being stupid, and knowing he had the dirt on Hillary that could crush her (as well as the
reputation of the entire democratic party)......probably reached out to Julian Assange, too, to hedge
his bets.
In the interview Julian gave shortly after Seth's death, he intimated that Seth was the leak, although
he did not state it outright.
Something like this sequence of events (with perhaps a few alterations ) is probably quite close
to what actually happened.
So here we have a scenario, where the D.N.C. Oligarchs , so corrupt, so evil, so disdainful of the
electorate, and the democratic process , rig the nomination results (on multiple levels) for Hillary..and
when the evidence of this is found, by a decent young kid with his whole life ahead of him, they had
him shot in the back.....four times...
And then "Big Media for Hillary", rather than investigate this horrific tragedy and expose the dirty
malevolence at play within the DNC , quashes the entire narrative and grafts in its place the"substitute"
Putin hacks..... demanding faux accountability... culminating with sanctions and ejections of the entire
Russian diplomatic corp.......all on the grounds of attempting to "sully American Democracy"
.
But hey, that's life in the USA....Right, Seamus ?
"what looks like a white country attacking brown people and demanding not to be dismantled by anti-nationalist
policies. "
The longer Israel persists in its "facts-on-the-ground" thievery, the less moral standing it has
for its white country. And it is a racist state also within its own "borders."
A pathetic excuse for a country. Without the USA it wouldn't exist.
A black mark on both countries' report cards.
@map
I wish people would stop making a big deal out of John Kerry's and Barack Obama's recent stance
on Israel. Neither of them are concerned about whatever injustice happened to the Palestinians.
What they are concerned with is Israeli actions discrediting the anti-white, anti-national globalism
program before it has successfully destroyed all of the white nations. That is the real reason why they
want a two-state solution or a right of return. If nationalists can look at the Israeli example as a
model for how to proceed then that will cause a civil war among leftists and discredit the entire left-wing
project.
Trump, therefore, pushing support for Israel's national concerns is not him bending to AIPAC. It is
a shrewd move that forces an internecine conflict between left-wing diaspora Jews and Israeli Jews.
It is a conflict Bibi is willing to have because the pet project of leftism would necessarily result
in Israel either being unlivable or largely extinct for its Jewish population. This NWO being pushed
by the diaspora is not something that will be enjoyed by Israeli Jews.
Consider the problem. The problem is that Palestinians have revanchist claims against Israel. Those
revanchist claims do not go away just because they get their own country or they get a right of return.
Either "solution" actually strengthens the Palestinian claim against Israel and results in a vastly
reduced security stance and quality of life for Israelis. The diaspora left is ok with that because
they want to continue importing revanchist groups into Europe and America to break down white countries.
So, Israel makes a small sacrifice for the greater good of anti-whitism, a deal that most Israelis do
not consider very good for themselves. Trump's support for Israeli nationalism short-circuits this project.
Of course, one could ask: why don't the Israeli Jews just move to America? What's the big deal if Israel
remains in the middle east? The big deal is the kind of jobs and activities available for Israelis to
do. A real nation requires a lot of scut work. Someone has to do the plumbing, unplug the sewers, drive
the nails, throw out the trash. Everyone can't be a doctor, a lawyer or a banker. Tradesmen, technicians,
workers are all required to get a project like Israel off the ground and maintained. How many of these
Israelis doing scut work in Israel for a greater good want to do the same scut work in America just
to get by?
The problem operates in reverse for American Jews. A Jew with an American law degree is of
no use to Israelis outside of the money he brings and whether he can throw out the trash. Diaspora Jews,
therefore, have no reason to try and live and work in Israel.
So, again, we see that Trump's move is a masterstroke. Even his appointment to counter the coup with
Zionists is brilliant, since these Zionists are rich enough to both live anywhere and indulge their
pride in nationalist endeavors.
"A real nation requires a lot of scut work. Someone has to do the plumbing, unplug the sewers, drive
the nails, throw out the trash."
Perhaps you'd like to discuss why so much of this and other "scut work" is done by Palestinians,
while an increasing number of Israeli Jews are on the dole.
@Mark Green
This is a good article but there's been a sudden shift. Incredibly, Obama has finally
gotten some balls in his dealings with Israel. And Trump is starting to sound like a neocon!
Maybe Trump is worried enough about a potential coup to dump his 'America First' platform (at least
for now) to shore up vital Jewish support for his teetering inauguration. This ploy will require a lot
of pro-Zionist noise and gesturing. Consequently, Trump is starting to play a familiar political role.
And the Zio-friendly media is holding his feet to the fire.
Has the smell of fear pushed Trump over the edge and into the lap of the Zionist establishment? It's
beginning to look that way.
Or is Trump just being a fox?
Let's face it: nobody can pull out all the stops better than Israel's Fifth Column. They've got the
money, the organization skills, the media leverage, and the raw intellectual moxie to make political
miracles/disasters happen. Trump wants them on his side. So he's is tacitly cutting a last-minute deal
with the Israelis. Trump's Zionized rhetoric (and political appointments) prove it.
This explains the apparent reversal that's now underway. Obama's pushing back while Trump is accommodating.
And, as usual, the Zions are dictating the Narrative.
As Israel Shamir reminds us: there's nothing as liberating to a politician as leaving office. Therefore,
Obama is finally free to do what's right. Trump however is facing no such luxury. And Bibi is more defiant
than ever. This is high drama. And Trump is feeling the heat.
Indeed, outgoing Sec. John Kerry just delivered a major speech where he reiterated strongly US support
for a real 'Two State' solution in Israel/Palestine.
And I thought the Two State Solution was dead.
Didn't you?
Kerry also criticized Israel's ongoing confiscation of the Occupied Territories. It was a brilliant
analysis that Kerry gave without the aid of a teleprompter. Hugely impressive. Even so, Kerry did not
throw Israel under the bus, as claimed. His speech was extremely fair.
This renewed, steadfast American position, coupled with the UNSC's unanimous vote against Israel
(which Obama permitted by not casting the usual US veto) has set the stage for a monumental showdown.
Israel has never been more isolated. But it's Trump--not Obama--that's looking weak in the face of Israeli
pressure.
Indeed, the international Jewish establishment remains uniquely powerful. They may be hated (and
appropriately so) but they get things accomplished in the political arena. Trump understands this all-too-well.
Will Trump--out of fear and necessity--run with the mega-powerful Jews who tried to sabotage his
campaign?--Or will he stay strong with America First and avoid "any more disasterous wars". It's impossible
to say. Trump is speaking out of both sides of his mouth.
I get the feeling that even Trump is unsure of where all this is going. But the situation is fast
approaching critical mass. Something's gotta give. The entire world is fed up with Israel.
Will Trump blink and take the easy road with the Zions?--Or will he summon Putin's independent, nationalistic
spirit and stay the course of 'America First'?
Unfortunately, having scrutinized the Zions in action for decades, I'm fearful that Trump will go
Pure Washington and run with the Israeli-Firsters. This will fortify his shaky political foundation.
I hope that I'm wrong about this but the Zions are brilliantly equipped to play both sides of America's
political divide. No politician is immune to their machinations.
"As Israel Shamir reminds us: there's nothing as liberating to a politician as leaving office. Therefore,
Obama is finally free to do what's right . "
THEN WHY DOESN'T HE DO WHAT'S RIGHT? As Seamus Padraig pointed out, the UN abstention is "just more
empty symbolism." Meanwhile The Christmas Eve attack on the First Amendment The approval of arming terrorists in Syria
The fake news about Russian hacking throwing Killary's election
Aid to terrorists is a felony. Obama should be indicted.
I try to write clearly, but if this is your response I've failed miserably. My interest in the hacking
is nil.
What I have against Obama is his regime-change war in Syria, his State Department enabled coup in Ukraine,
his support of Saudi war/genocide against Yemen, his destruction of Libya, his demonization of Putin,
and his bringing us to a status near war in our relations with Russia.
Obama has been providing weapons, training, air support and propaganda for Terrorists via their affiliates
in Syria, and now directly. This is a felony, if not treason.
What I have against Obama is his regime-change war in Syria, his State Department enabled coup
in Ukraine, his support of Saudi war/genocide against Yemen, his destruction of Libya, his demonization
of Putin, and his bringing us to a status near war in our relations with Russia.
RobinG - Agree 100% – some times I get things crossed up - Peace Art
@Mark Green
This is a good article but there's been a sudden shift. Incredibly, Obama has finally
gotten some balls in his dealings with Israel. And Trump is starting to sound like a neocon!
Maybe Trump is worried enough about a potential coup to dump his 'America First' platform (at least
for now) to shore up vital Jewish support for his teetering inauguration. This ploy will require a lot
of pro-Zionist noise and gesturing. Consequently, Trump is starting to play a familiar political role.
And the Zio-friendly media is holding his feet to the fire.
Has the smell of fear pushed Trump over the edge and into the lap of the Zionist establishment? It's
beginning to look that way.
Or is Trump just being a fox?
Let's face it: nobody can pull out all the stops better than Israel's Fifth Column. They've got the
money, the organization skills, the media leverage, and the raw intellectual moxie to make political
miracles/disasters happen. Trump wants them on his side. So he's is tacitly cutting a last-minute deal
with the Israelis. Trump's Zionized rhetoric (and political appointments) prove it.
This explains the apparent reversal that's now underway. Obama's pushing back while Trump is accommodating.
And, as usual, the Zions are dictating the Narrative.
As Israel Shamir reminds us: there's nothing as liberating to a politician as leaving office. Therefore,
Obama is finally free to do what's right. Trump however is facing no such luxury. And Bibi is more defiant
than ever. This is high drama. And Trump is feeling the heat.
Indeed, outgoing Sec. John Kerry just delivered a major speech where he reiterated strongly US support
for a real 'Two State' solution in Israel/Palestine.
And I thought the Two State Solution was dead.
Didn't you?
Kerry also criticized Israel's ongoing confiscation of the Occupied Territories. It was a brilliant
analysis that Kerry gave without the aid of a teleprompter. Hugely impressive. Even so, Kerry did not
throw Israel under the bus, as claimed. His speech was extremely fair.
This renewed, steadfast American position, coupled with the UNSC's unanimous vote against Israel
(which Obama permitted by not casting the usual US veto) has set the stage for a monumental showdown.
Israel has never been more isolated. But it's Trump--not Obama--that's looking weak in the face of Israeli
pressure.
Indeed, the international Jewish establishment remains uniquely powerful. They may be hated (and
appropriately so) but they get things accomplished in the political arena. Trump understands this all-too-well.
Will Trump--out of fear and necessity--run with the mega-powerful Jews who tried to sabotage his
campaign?--Or will he stay strong with America First and avoid "any more disasterous wars". It's impossible
to say. Trump is speaking out of both sides of his mouth.
I get the feeling that even Trump is unsure of where all this is going. But the situation is fast
approaching critical mass. Something's gotta give. The entire world is fed up with Israel.
Will Trump blink and take the easy road with the Zions?--Or will he summon Putin's independent, nationalistic
spirit and stay the course of 'America First'?
Unfortunately, having scrutinized the Zions in action for decades, I'm fearful that Trump will go
Pure Washington and run with the Israeli-Firsters. This will fortify his shaky political foundation.
I hope that I'm wrong about this but the Zions are brilliantly equipped to play both sides of America's
political divide. No politician is immune to their machinations.
Most of the Western world is much sicker of the head-choppers in charge of our 'human rights' at
the UN (thanks to Obama and the UK) than it is of Israel. It is they, not we, who have funded ISIS directly.
It seems that our POTUS has just chosen to eject 35 Russian diplomats from our country, on grounds of
hacking the election against Hillary.
Is this some weird, preliminary "shot across the bow" in preparation for the coming "coup attempt" you
seem to believe is in the offing ?
It seem the powers-that-be are pulling out all the stops to prevent an authentic rapprochement with
Moscow.
What for ?
It makes you wonder if there is more to this than meets the eye, something beyond the sanguine disgruntlement
of the party bosses and a desire for payback against Hillary's big loss ?
Does anyone know if Russia is more aware than most Americans of certain classified details pertaining
to stuff.....like 9-11 ?
Why is cooperation between the new administration and Moscow so scary to these people that they would
initiate a preemptive diplomatic shut down ?
They seem to be dead set on welding shut every single diplomatic door to the Kremlin there is , before
Trumps inauguration.
Perhaps something "else "is being planned........Does anyone have any ideas whats going on ?
What does Russian intelligence know? Err perhaps something like that the US/UK have sold nukes
to the head-choppers of the riyadh caliphate, say (knowing how completely mad their incestuous brains
are?). Who knows? – but such a fact could explain many inexplicable things.
@map
The revanchist claim that I refer to is psychological, not moral or legal. Palestinians think
their land was stolen in the same way Mexicans think Texas and California were stolen. That feeling
will not change just because they get a two-state solution or a right of return. What it will result
in is a comfortable base from which to continue to operate against Israel, one that Israel can't afford.
It is Nationalism 101 not to allow revanchist groups in your country.
The leftists are being consistent in their ideology by opposing Israel, because they are fully on board
going after what looks like a white country attacking brown people and demanding not to be dismantled
by anti-nationalist policies. Trump suggesting the capital go to Jerusalem and supporting Bibi is just
triangulation against the left.
I feel sorry for the Palestinians and I think they have been treated very shabbily. They did lose a
lot as any refugee population would and they should be comfortably repatriated around the Muslim Middle
East. I don't know who is using them or for what purpose.
"treated very shabbily" indeed, by other Arabs – who have done virtually nothing for them.
An alternative hypothesis is that the Wikileaks material was, in fact, leaked by members of the Democratic
campaign itself.
His name was Seth Rich, and he did software for the DNC.
Given all the hoaky, "evidence free" punitive assaults being launched against Moscow today .combined
with the profusion of utterly fraudulent narratives foisted down the throats of the American people
over the last sixteen years
Its NOT outside of reason to take a good hard look at the "Seth Rich incident" and reconstruct an
outline of events(probably) much closer to the truth than the big media would ever be willing to discuss
or admit.
Namely, that Seth Rich, a young decent kid (27) who was working as the data director for the campaign,
came across evidence of "dirty pool" within the voting systems during the DNC nomination ,which were
fraudulently (and maybe even blatantly) tilting the results towards Hillary.
He probably did the "right thing" by notifying one of the DNC bosses of the fraud ..who informed
him he would look into it and that he should keep it quite for the moment
.I wouldn't be surprised if Seth reached out to a reporter , too, probably at the at the NY Times,
who informed his editor who, in turn, had such deep connections to the Hillary corruption machine that
he placed a call to a DNC backroom boss who , at some point, made the decision to take steps to shut
Seth's mouth, permanently ."just make it look like a robbery (or something)"
Seth, not being stupid, and knowing he had the dirt on Hillary that could crush her (as well as the
reputation of the entire democratic party) probably reached out to Julian Assange, too, to hedge his
bets.
In the interview Julian gave shortly after Seth's death, he intimated that Seth was the leak, although
he did not state it outright.
Something like this sequence of events (with perhaps a few alterations ) is probably quite close
to what actually happened.
So here we have a scenario, where the D.N.C. Oligarchs , so corrupt, so evil, so disdainful of the
electorate, and the democratic process , rig the nomination results (on multiple levels) for Hillary..and
when the evidence of this is found, by a decent young kid with his whole life ahead of him, they had
him shot in the back ..four times
And then "Big Media for Hillary", rather than investigate this horrific tragedy and expose the dirty
malevolence at play within the DNC , quashes the entire narrative and grafts in its place the"substitute"
Putin hacks .. demanding faux accountability culminating with sanctions and ejections of the entire
Russian diplomatic corp .all on the grounds of attempting to "sully American Democracy"
.
@map
The revanchist claim that I refer to is psychological, not moral or legal. Palestinians think
their land was stolen in the same way Mexicans think Texas and California were stolen. That feeling
will not change just because they get a two-state solution or a right of return. What it will result
in is a comfortable base from which to continue to operate against Israel, one that Israel can't afford.
It is Nationalism 101 not to allow revanchist groups in your country.
The leftists are being consistent in their ideology by opposing Israel, because they are fully on board
going after what looks like a white country attacking brown people and demanding not to be dismantled
by anti-nationalist policies. Trump suggesting the capital go to Jerusalem and supporting Bibi is just
triangulation against the left.
I feel sorry for the Palestinians and I think they have been treated very shabbily. They did lose a
lot as any refugee population would and they should be comfortably repatriated around the Muslim Middle
East. I don't know who is using them or for what purpose.
good points. Yet, Palestinians "They should be comfortably repatriated around the Muslim Middle
East." sounds pretty much like an Israel talking point. How about Israel should be dissolved and the Jews repatriated around Europe and the US?
Not being an Idea world, but a Biological World, revanchism is true enough up to a point. Of course
The Revanchists of All Time are the jews, or the zionists, to speak liberalize.
As for feelings that don't change, there is a tendency for feelings to change over time, especially
when a "legal" document is signed by the participating parties. I have long advocated that the Jews
pay for the land they stole, and that that payment be made to a new Palestinian state. A Palestinian
with a home, a job, a family, and a nice car makes a lot of difference, just like anywhere else.
(We paid the Mexicans in a treaty that presumably ended the Mexican war. This is a normal state of
affairs. Mexico only "owned" California, etc, for about 25 years, and I do not think paid the injuns
anything for their land at the time. Also, if memory serves, I think Pat Buchanan claimed somewhere
that there were only about 10,000 Mexicans in California at the time, or maybe in the whole area under
discussion..)
How Palestine stolen property, should be evaluated I leave to the experts. Jews would appear to have
ample resources and could pony up the dough.
The biggest problem is the US evangelicals and equally important, the nice Episcopalians and so on,
even the Catholic Church which used to Exclude Jews now luving them. This is part of our National Religion.
The Jews are god's favorites, and nobody seems to mind. Kill an Arab for Christ is the national gut
feeling, except when it gets too expensive or kills too many Americans.
As I have said, Trump is in between the rock and the hard place. If he wants to end the Jewish Wars
in the ME, he cannot luv the jews, and especially he cannot start lobbing bombs around too much even
over Isis and the dozens of jihadist groups, especially now in Syria.
Sorry but your "comfortably repatriated" is a real howler. There is no comfort to be had by anybody
in the ME. And, like Jews with regard to your points about revanchism in general, Palestinians have
not blended into the general Arab populations of other countries, like Lebanon, etc.. Using your own
logic, the Palestinians will continue to nurse their grievances no matter where they are, just like
the Jews.
The neocon goals of failed states in the Arab World has been largely accomplished and the only way
humpty-dumpty will be put back together again is for tough Arab Strong Men to reestablish order. Like
Assad, like Hussein, etc. Arab IQ is about 85 in general. There is not going to be democracy/elections/civics lessons per the White countries's genetic predisposition.\
For that matter, Jews are not democrats. Left alone Israel, wherever it is, reverts to Rabbinic Control
and Jehovah, the Warrior God, reigns. Fact is , that is where Israel is heading anyway.
Jews never invented free speech and rule of law, nor did Arabs, or any other race on the planet.
The Jews With Nukes is of World Historical Importance. And Whites have given them the Bomb, just
as Whites have given Third World inferior races, access to the Northern Cornucopia of wealth, both spiritual
and material. They will , like the jews, exploit free speech and game the economic system.
All Semites Out! Ditto just about everybody else, starting with the Chinese.
finally, if the jews had any real brains, they would get out of a neighborhood that hates them for
their jewishness, their Thefts, and their Wars. Otoh, Jews seem to thrive on being hated more than any
other race or ethnic group. Chosen to Always Complain. Joe Webb
Trump has absolutely no support in the media. With the Fox News and Fox Business, first string, talking
heads on vacation (minimal support) the second and third string are insanely trying to push the Russian
hacking bullshit. Trump better realize that the only support he has are the people that voted for him.
January 2017 will be a bad month for this country and the rest of 2017 much worse.
Sorry Joe, the "whites" did not give the Jews the atomic bomb. In truth, the Jews were critically
important in developing the scientific ideas and technology critical to making the first atomic bomb.
I can recognize Jewish malfeasance where it exists, but to ignore their intellectual contributions
to Western Civilization is sheer blindness.
Russia, Iran and Turkey met in Moscow on Tuesday to work toward a political accord to end Syria's
nearly six-year war, leaving the United States on the sidelines as the countries sought to drive
the conflict in ways that serve their interests.
Secretary of State John Kerry was not invited. Nor was the United Nations consulted.
With pro-government forces having made critical gains on the ground, ...
(Note: The last sentence originally and correctly said "pro-Syrian forces ...", not "pro-government
forces ...". It
was altered after
I noted the "pro-Syrian" change of tone on Twitter.)
Russia kicked the U.S. out of any further talks about Syria after the U.S. blew a deal which,
after long delaying negotiations, Kerry had made with the Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov.
In a recent interview Kerry
admits that it was opposition from the Pentagon, not Moscow or Damascus, that had blown up his
agreement with Russia over Syria:
More recently, he has clashed inside the administration with Defense Secretary Ashton Carter.
Kerry negotiated an agreement with Russia to share joint military operations, but it fell apart.
"Unfortunately we had divisions within our own ranks that made the implementation of that extremely
hard to accomplish ," Kerry said. "But I believe in it, I think it can work, could have worked."
Kerry's agreement with Russia did not just "fell apart". The Pentagon actively sabotaged it by
intentionally and perfidiously attacking the Syrian army.
The deal with Russia was made in June. It envisioned coordinated attacks on ISIS and al-Qaeda
in Syria, both designated as terrorist under two UN Security Council resolutions which call upon
all countries to eradicate them. For months the U.S. failed to separate its CIA and Pentagon trained,
supplied and paid "moderate rebel" from al-Qaeda, thereby blocking the deal. In September the deal
was modified and finally ready to be implemented.
The Pentagon still
did not like it but had been overruled by the White House:
The agreement that Secretary of State John Kerry announced with Russia to reduce the killing in
Syria has widened an increasingly public divide between Mr. Kerry and Defense Secretary Ashton
B. Carter, who has deep reservations about the plan for American and Russian forces to jointly
target terrorist groups.
Mr. Carter was among the administration officials who pushed against the agreement on a conference
call with the White House last week as Mr. Kerry, joining the argument from a secure facility
in Geneva, grew increasingly frustrated. Although President Obama ultimately approved the effort
after hours of debate, Pentagon officials remain unconvinced.
...
"I'm not saying yes or no," Lt. Gen. Jeffrey L. Harrigian, commander of the United States Air
Forces Central Command , told reporters on a video conference call. "It would be premature to
say that we're going to jump right into it."
The CentCom general threatened to not follow the decision his Commander of Chief had taken. He
would not have done so without cover from Defense Secretary Ash Carter.
Three days later U.S. CentCom Air Forces and allied
Danish airplanes attack Syrian army positions near the ISIS besieged city of Deir Ezzor. During
37 air attacks within one hour between 62 and 100 Syrian Arab Army soldiers were killed and many
more wounded. They had held a defensive positions on hills overlooking the Deir Ezzor airport. Shortly
after the U.S. air attack ISIS forces stormed the hills and have held them since. Resupply for the
100,000+ civilians and soldiers in Deir Ezzor is now endangered if not impossible. The CentCom
attack enabled ISIS to eventually conquer Deir Ezzor and to establish the
envisioned "Salafist principality" in east Syria.
During the U.S. attack the Syrian-Russian operations center had immediately tried to contact the
designated coordination officer at U.S. Central Command to stop the attack. But that officer could
not be reached and those at CentCom taking the Russian calls just hanged up:
By time the Russian officer found his designated contact - who was away from his desk - and explained
that the coalition was actually hitting a Syrian army unit, "a good amount of strikes" had already
taken place, U.S. Central Command spokesman Col. John Thomas told reporters at the Pentagon Tuesday.
Until the attack the Syrian and Russian side had, as agreed with Kerry, kept to a ceasefire to
allow the separation of the "marbled" CIA and al-Qaeda forces. After the CentCom air attack the Kerry-Lavrov
deal
was off :
On the sidelines of an emergency UN Security Council meeting called on the matter, tempers were
high. Russia's permanent UN representative, Vitaly Churkin, questioned the timing of the strikes,
two days before Russian-American coordination in the fight against terror groups in Syria was
to begin.
"I have never seen such an extraordinary display of American heavy-handedness," he said, after
abruptly leaving the meeting.
The Pentagon launched one of its usual whitewash investigations and a heavily
redacted summary report (pdf) was released in late November.
The report, released by US Central Command on 29 November, shows that senior US Air Force officers
at the Combined Air Operations Center (CAOC) at al-Udeid Airbase in Qatar, who were responsible
for the decision to carry out the September airstrike at Deir Ezzor:
misled the Russians about where the US intended to strike so Russia could not warn that
it was targeting Syrian troops
ignored information and intelligence analysis warning that the positions to be struck were
Syrian government rather than Islamic State
shifted abruptly from a deliberate targeting process to an immediate strike in violation
of normal Air Force procedures
The investigation was led by a Brigade General. He was too low in rank to investigate or challenge
the responsible CentCom air-commander Lt. Gen. Harrington. The name of a co-investigator was redacted
in the report and marked as "foreign government information". That officer was likely from Denmark.
Four days after the investigation report was officially released the Danish government, without
giving any public reason,
pulled back its air contingent from any further operations under U.S. command in Iraq and Syria.
With the attack on Deir Ezzor the Pentagon has:
enabled ISIS to win the siege in Deir Ezzor where 100,000+ civilians and soldiers are under
threat of being brutally killed
cleared the grounds for the establishment of an ISIS ruled "Salafist principality" in east-Syria
deceived a European NATO ally and lost its active cooperation over Syria and Iraq
ruined Kerry's deal with Russia about a coordinated fight against UN designated terrorists
in Syria
kicked the U.S. out of further international negotiations about Syria
It is clear that the responsible U.S. officer for the attack and its consequences is one Lt. Gen.
Jeffrey L. Harrigian who had earlier publicly spoken out against a deal that his Commander in Chief
had agreed to. He likely had cover from Defense Secretary Ash Carter.
The White House did not react to this public military insubordination and undermining of its diplomacy.
Emptywheel
notes that, though on a different issue, the CIA is also in quite open insurrection against the
President's decisions:
[I]t alarms me that someone decided it was a good idea to go leak criticisms of a [presidential]
Red Phone exchange. It would seem that such an instrument depends on some foundation of trust
that, no matter how bad things have gotten, two leaders of nuclear armed states can speak frankly
and directly.
though on a different issue, the CIA is also in quite open insurrection against the President's
decisions:
It merely confirms or reinforces what was known now for quite some, rather long, time--Obama
is a shallow and cowardly amateur who basically abandoned the duty of governing the nation to
all kinds of neocon adventurists and psychopaths. So, nothing new here. Results are everywhere
on display for everyone to see.
https://twitter.com/BilalKareem/status/811216051656658944
Here's Bilal (American CIA agent) pointing out another terrorist scumbag has an explosive belt
to avoid getting captured. Notice his face is covered and he appears western? Likely the American
David Scott Winner or Israeli aDavid Shlomo Aram. They're going to explode their way out of Aleppo.
SAA should have just exterminated the rats rather than let them leave, Bilal included
Then again, it is difficult to see how sanctions between the two administration could be
any more "damaged": also on Wednesday, the Kremlin said it did not expect the incoming U.S. administration
to reject NATO enlargement overnight and that almost all communications channels between Russia
and the United States were frozen, the RIA news agency reported.
"Almost every level of dialogue with the United States is frozen. We don't communicate
with one another, or (if we do) we do so minimally," Peskov said.
The only thing worse than not using a weapon is using it ineffectively. And if he does choose
to retaliate, he has insisted on maintaining what is known as "escalation dominance," the ability
to ensure you can end a conflict on your terms.
Mr. Obama hinted as much at his news conference on Friday, as he was set to leave for his annual
Hawaii vacation, his last as president.
"Our goal continues to be to send a clear message to Russia or others not to do this to us because
we can do stuff to you," he said. "But it is also important to us to do that in a thoughtful,
methodical way. Some of it, we will do publicly. Some of it we will do in a way that they know,
but not everybody will."
On Monday 19 December, there was a hit captured on video and played worldwide. It was not by
droning.
This post confirms that neocon Ash Carter was at the heart of the attack on Deir Ezzor and that
the pro-Israel faction at the Pentagon will defy the chief executive if it achieves their political
objectives.
I don't know how anyone can review the details of this incident and not conclude that the split
in the US government is nearing a climax-point where the removal of an obstinate president is
a real possibility.
the fact this division in power is happening in the usa today is indeed scary... why is this
fucker ash carter still in any position of power, let alone the dipshit Jeffrey L. Harrigian?
both these military folks might be serving israels interests very well, not to mention saudi arabia
and gcc's but they sure ain't representing the usa's... or is the usa still a country with a leadership
command? doesn't look like it..
The trolls of the empire are feeding on each other. And this is a good thing ... why?
Because on their own the sheople of the US are incapable of a revolt no matter how righteous
their cause. The oligarchs and their minions thrive on discord and chaos. Thus we have the beginnings
of a major breakdown (at long last) as some states (California in the lead) contemplate an exit
by trying to establish embassies.
My, my!
We've never had a revolution in this country. Once upon a time we had a revolt by one group
of oligarchs against the other (called a civil war, and its predecessor called the revolution).
But a real bloody, kill off the oligarchs (as per France and Russia) revolt? No way Jose!
No ... we stupidly accept the tripe/trope of being too damned good ... recently called exceptionalism.
Implosion! The rest of the world (like me) can't wait!
So that's it? Deir Ezzor is just a write off? Putin is publicly talking about "wrapping up" the
Russian mission in Syria, Iran wants to turn the military focus westward, towards Idlib. At least
this is what they say in public.
I think the Deir EzZor attack was more of a dying gasp from the CIA/CENTCOM than anything of immense
strategic value. A last shot at prepping their east Syrian head-chopper partition, but a futile
one at that. Palmyra and the attack on the Syrian oil/gas hub give that same impression, too.
Neither was very well though out and both efforts are proving to be failures.
All this while the Obama administration is pushing for the SF 'cleaners' to erase any left-over
intel and al Qaeda/al Nusra leaders as the head-choppers flee Aleppo. The CIA/CENTCOM are obviously
in on this, while they still fancy some safe place for their spies and collaborators to escape
and continue the fight.
Russia's Turkish ambassador? Maybe he was an unfortunate part of the U.S. clean-up operation.
He would have certainly been privy to a lot of damaging info on U.S. involvement. Obama announced
the clean-up operation in mid-November - recall the unexpected 'targeting key ISIS and al Nusra
leaders' spiel, followed by the dispatch of U.S. SF (and U.K. SAS) kill-teams.
The ugly part of U.S. CIA/CENTCOM support for head-choppers is that they must control them.
If they can't corral them in an east Syrian Pipelanistan, then they have to kill them and eliminate
evidence of U.S. (and cronies') involvement. All at a time when a lame-duck U.S. administration
is packing their belongings and cleaning out their offices.
The current CIA leaders and current neocon CENTCOM lackeys are pretty much out
of business in the Middle East when Trump gets in. If they can't eliminate Trump, he will eliminate
them. Current CENTCOM commanders will be purged and replaced with fresh Israeli-firsters for the
war with Iran. Trump's stated plans to pour more money into 'strengthening' the U.S. military
means plenty of jobs for the departing generals.
MacDill AFB (CENTCOM's home) must be crawling with defense industry executive recruiters looking
for some fresh meat. The Pentagram is probably going to get an enema as well. Pretty soon, there
will be unshaven, dirty generals standing near freeway on-ramps in Arlington begging for change,
holding crudely-lettered cardboard signs that say, "Unemployed. Will wage war for sheckels.
God bless you!" [I'll have my baseball bat ready...]
Russia's Turkish ambassador? Maybe he was an unfortunate part of the U.S. clean-up operation.
He would have certainly been privy to a lot of damaging info on U.S. involvement.
If he was privy, so were, simultaneously, all intelligence people working under cover and,
as a consequence, Russia's military-political top. There are some really strong indications of
Karlov's assassination being a "parting gift" by US neocon mafia who, especially after Trump's
victory and liberation of Aleppo, is the main loser (not that they ever won anything realistically)
in a major geopolitical shift which is taking place as I type this.
One of your best posts ever, b. Certainly, it shows what a terrible mess has been created by the
deceptive, infamous lot, who have added fuel to the fire in this war in Syria.
I should imagine that if you Google Bethania Palma's name (she's also known as Bethania Palma
Markus), you will find that as a freelance writer she will have social media accounts (Facebook,
Twitter, possibly LinkedIn) and you and others can try to contact her through those.
Palma has also written rubbish pieces on the Syrian White Helmets and former UK ambassador
Craig Murray's claims that the DNC emails leaks were the work of a Washington insider.
The more she writes such pieces for Snopes.com, laying out the details of the issue and then
blithely dismissing them as having no credibility, the more the website's reputation for objective
investigation will fall anyway. Palma will be her own worst enemy. So perhaps we need not bother
trying to argue with her.
I have never before seen a US President as weak as Obama to the point where his own military disregards
his command. the fact that anyone at the Pentagon would still have a job after openly defying
the commander in chief shows you the pathetic state of affairs in a crumbling US.
While it speaks to a serious changing of the guard in the US military with Trump I hold little
hope that it in anyway signals a lessening of the goals of empire.....just a change in approach.
Those owning private finance are still leading our "parade" into extinction, IMO It sure looks
to me like the acolytes of Trump have primary fealty to the God of Mammon.
Then, about 35 or so comments down, an excellent and rather devastating analysis of the Snopes
attack, by one "sleepd." In it he discusses the background of the Snopes "report's" author:
"Let's look at the background of Bethania Palmer, the author of the Snopes piece. It claims
she worked as a "journalist" for the Los Angeles Newspaper Group, which is a media company that
has been purchased by a holding company called Digital First (previously Media News Group) that
was run by a private equity company managed by a hedge funder. They are known for purchasing local
run small newspapers and cutting staff and consolidating content into corporate-friendly ad sales
positions. She also claims work for LAist, a local style and events blog in Los Angeles, and the
OC Weekly, a somewhat conservative-leaning local weekly that survives on advertising. Nothing
in her background that speaks towards expertise in the Middle East, or even awareness of differences
in populations there. Considering that, we have to rate her credibility as below Barlett's when
it comes to reporting on Middle Eastern affairs."
Obama had the Secretary of Defense he wanted, Chuck Hagel, in the office for a while. But for
some reason he was unable to resist the pressure that was put on him to replace Hagel with Carter.
Is it just me or has anyone else noticed that in this day and age where everyone has a phone
camera there exists not one picture of the alleged gore that occurred in France and German truck
attacks???
Also possessing identification documents, leaving them at the scene, appears to be a special
talent required of all pseudo terr'ists.
I even saw a report in Tagesspiegel yesterday that said the authorities did not have a video.
Pretty hard to believe. The place was packed with tourists. Just about everybody has a cellphone
these days.
I commented on it on a site yesterday, but I don't remember which one. Might have been here.
Good stuff, b. As much as I dislike Obama, I imagine he has to feel relieved his presidency is
coming to an end so he doesn't have to deal with idiots like Ash Carter every day.
The General should have been publicly fired by the Secretary immediately after that video conference.
It didn't happen so the CIC should have fired the SOD and found someone to fire the General. Defying
the CIC, what a message to the world!
The CentCom general threatened to not follow the decision his Commander of Chief had taken.
He would not have done so without cover from Defense Secretary Ash Carter.
Ash Carter is certainly a neo-con, an insubordinate traitor, and is likely a CIA mole in the Pentagon.
He has 29 days of monkey-wrenching left at the Pentagon.
Beneath your heading 'With the attack on Deir Ezzor the Pentagon has:' add effected a coup
against the POTUS.
I agree with @12 wwinsti and @13 paveway ... at least i wanna believe that Ash 'CIA' Carter
has managed to throw in his monkey-wrenches but that 'the Deir EzZor attack was more of a dying
gasp from the CIA/CENTCOM than anything of immense strategic value'.
@17 danny801
Reagan was the same ... just that he was non compos mentis from the start, so didn't know he
was just the cardboard cutout that he was. Obama knew, took the job anyway.
@20 lysias
i don't know who controls us nukes ... but it ain't Barack Obama. he'll just do as he's told.
@22 blues
agree with your wish ... unfortunately Ash 'CIA' Carter has already fired Barack Obama. we
get coal in our stockings ... or we get turned into radioactive coal by AC, CIA
todays daily press briefing, lol.. no mention of ash carter...
"QUESTION: Okay. All right. I wanted to go back for a second to an interview that Secretary
Kerry gave to The Globe, The Boston Globe, in which he admitted that the deal with the Russians
over Syria was basically killed here because of the divisions within the Administration. Who was
that – what was the agency that killed the deal? Was it the Pentagon?
MR KIRBY: I don't think that that's what the Secretary said. I think the Secretary acknowledged
what we've long acknowledged; there was nothing new in this interview. He's been very open and
candid that even amongst the interagency here in the United States we haven't all agreed on the
way forward in Syria. I'm also not sure why that should be shocking to anybody. Every federal
agency has a different view --
Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif says Iran, Russia and Turkey have started the
process of finding a political solution to the Syria crisis.
According to the Islamic State's official media wing, their forces foiled the massive Turkish
Army led assault, killing and wounding more than 50 military personnel in the process.
The primary cause of these high casualties was a suicide attack that was initiated by an
Islamic State terrorist west of the Al-Farouq Hospital.
For nearly a month now, the Turkish Army has attempted to enter the key city of Al-Bab;
however, they have been repeatedly repelled by the terrorist forces each time.
Local sources said that Mahmud Akhtarini was arrested by a group of Zenki militants at midnight
on charges of being a member of the ISIS terror organization. Four hours later, Mahmud was
reported dead after being brutally tortured.
The sources confirmed that the victim was mentally retarded.
The Turkish backed group is notorious for beheading a 12 year-old boy in Aleppo city, for
allegedly being a fighter of the Palestinian Liwaa Al Quds (Al-Quds Brigade).
... has Erdogan finally been taught the facts of life? or have all the other Turks in Turkey,
and will they soon put the sultan on his magic carpet in a real, made in Turkey, coup? Terrorism
at home, and abroad - with nothing to show for it - must be getting old for ordinary Turks.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't military 'assets' operating covertly in a country that
that is 'hostile' to US interests be under the command of the CIA?
We have been using "False Flag" operations to expand land since we were colonies and used white
slaves kidnapped from European countries to work for the Elite 1% land owners in the 16th, 17th,
18th, 19, 20th, and continuing in the 21st Century when the 911 False Flag Operation to further
erode the everyday people and further enrich the elite 1% and Masonic and Zionist ideologies.
https://mycommonsenseparty.com
"The Dow's initial move down in January of 2017 was very sharp and within a month, it was off
1900 points or almost 10%. As it is apparent from the chart, the Dow's slide was extremely volatile
with big losing streaks often followed by sharp rallies. In the meantime, the Russiagate scandal
was beginning to grow, as top Trump aides resigned at the end of April amid charges of obstruction
of justice. The Dow's fall continued until late August when it finally bottomed at 16,357 to complete
a seven month loss of almost 3600 points (over 18%). From this point, the Dow surged ahead so
rapidly that the Fools were likely lulled by Wall Street traitors into believing that a new leg
up was occurring. Amid October's renewed Ukraine-Syria War, Vice President Pence's forced resignation
for incompetence, and an Arab oil glut sending WTI to the mid-$30s, the Dow closed at 19,387 near
the end of that month for a gain of 15% off of its summer lows. The huge, two month rally left
the Dow just 6% below its all time high of 20,247 set back in January, but the NYSE's advance/decline
line was still in shambles. In addition, higher Fed interest rates were taking their toll on the
US economy which officially re-entered a recession in November. The divergence between the large-cap
stocks and smaller-cap stocks was resolved over the next five weeks as the markets experienced
a brutal pounding and the Dow plunged 4000 points or over 20%. The Dow bottomed at 15,788 in early
December of 2017 when NATO units were routed in Crimea by superior Russian forces, and Trump was
finally forced to resign in early 2018 for corporate malfeasance of office, but this did not bring
any relief to the Dow which continued to trade near the 15,000 level through most of the 2018
Recession."
Play by play, verbatim, from the last time a Republican President joined at the hip with Tel
Aviv, back in 1972. It's a' comin'!
I think b is being very subtle here, as these two statements are not consistent:
The White House did not react to this public military insubordination and undermining of
its diplomacy.
Emptywheel notes that ... the CIA is also in quite open insurrection against the President's
decisions
This might be hard to decipher for those who have not been paying attention. Suffice it to
say that skepticism that Obama/Kerry ever really wanted any deal is more than warranted. Was this
bungled deal just a delaying action?
Obama apologists have been making excuses this empty suit for years: 11-dimensional
chess, elite factions undermining him, his focus on his "legacy", etc. Yet Obama/Kerry really
don't seem too upset by the "failures" that have occurred on their watch. They don't really attempt
to recover from/rectify these failures. At some point one must ask: are those "failures" intentional?
We should not expect the truth from the corrupted establishment who fiercely fought Bernie Sanders,
for example. We should expect it from someone who supported him. Indeed, the Congresswoman Tulsi
Gabbard, who resigned as DNC vice-chair on February 28, 2016, in order to endorse Bernie Sanders
for the Democratic presidential nomination, and actually was the first female US Representative to
endorse Sanders, 'dared' to introduce bill so that the US to stop arming terrorists!
Her words left no doubt of who is behind the dirty war in Syria and the chaos in the Middle East:
Mr. speaker, under US law, it is illegal for you, or me, or any American, to provide any
type of assistance to Al-Qaeda, ISIS, or other terrorist groups. If we broke this law, we'll be
thrown in jail.
Yet the US government has been violating this law for years, directly and indirectly supporting
allies and partners of groups like Al-Qaeda and ISIS, with money, weapons, intelligence and other
support in their fight to overthrow the Syrian government .
A recent NY Times article, confirmed that rebel groups supported by the US 'have entered
into battlefield alliances with the affiliate of al-Qaeda in Syria, formerly known as al Nusra.'
The Wall Street Journal reports that rebel groups are 'doubling down on their alliance with al-Qaeda'.
This alliance has rendered the phrase 'moderate rebels' meaningless .
We must stop this madness.We must stop arming terrorists .
I'm introducing the Stop Arming Terrorists act today, to prohibit taxpayer dollars for being
used to support terrorists.
Speaking on
CNN , Gabbard specifically named CIA as the agency that supports terrorist groups in
the Middle East:
The US government has been providing money, weapons, intel. assistance and other types of
support through the CIA, directly to these groups that are working with and are affiliated with
Al-Qaeda and ISIS.
Also, Gabbard specifically named the allies through which the US assist these terrorist groups:
We've also been providing that support through countries like Saudi Arabia, Turkey and Qatar
...
Speaking
on NPR , Gabbard explained that she was working on the issue of the US interventionist,
regime-change wars for years since she has been in Congress. Therefore, her position coincides with
that of Donald Trump who repeatedly declared his opposition to these wars. This was also the main
reason for which she endorsed Bernie Sanders:
SIMON: You and President-elect Trump are obviously of different parties. But don't you kind
of have the same position on Syria?
GABBARD: I have heard him talk about his opposition to continuing interventionist, regime-change
wars. I want to be clear, though, that this is an issue that I have been working on for years
since I have been in Congress. And it's one...
SIMON: It's why you endorsed Senator Sanders, isn't it?
GABBARD: It's - correct. It was a clear difference between Senator Sanders and Secretary
Clinton. I am hopeful that this new administration coming in will change these policies so that
we don't continue making these destructive decisions, as have been made in the past.
This is really a unique moment, showing the absolute failure of the US obsolete, dirty policies
and the degree of degeneration of the 'idealistic' picture of the Unites States as the number one
global power. We can't remember any moment in the past in which a congressman was seeking to pass
a bill to prohibit the US government funding terrorists, or, a newly elected president who, in his
campaigns, was stating clearly that the previous administration created many terrorist groups.
"... Moderate: one who carries guns and heavy weapons, terrifies and kills in pursuit of US/NATO/Gulf States/Israeli policy. ..."
"... Of course this was the action of moderates. Radical islam would have burned them when they were full of people going the other direction. I have to wonder where they get the "volunteers" to drive them. ..."
"... "Rebels" are by definition "moderates", and therefore friends of Obama, Hillary, McCain, and Lindsey Graham, and therefore DO NOT burn people. "Rebels" use fire to drive the devils out of people , which frees the people's souls up to where Jehovah can get a good look at them and ask them why they were in a bus in Aleppo instead of in a limo pulling up to CometPizza. Freeing, not burning. Big difference. ..."
While the UN condemns Syrian and Russian "atrocities" in the battle over East Aleppo, which as
noted previously was a key victory for the Assad regime in the past week, one which will end
the stalemate and sway the balance of power in the ongoing war between regime forces and US-coalition
armed rebels, little attention had been paid to the subversive tactics employed by such "moderate
rebels" as the al Qaeda linked al-Nusra front.
That may change after five buses en route to evacuate the sick and injured from two government-held
villages in Syria's Idlib province were attacked and burned by rebels.
PHOTOS: Reports coming in that an "unknown rebel group" has attacked buses going to evacuate
civilians from Kafraya and Fuah - @Ald_Aba
pic.twitter.com/7xMPhumeu5
Five buses were attacked and burned by "armed terrorists" while en route to militant-held villages
after an evacuation deal was struck between the Syrian government and rebels, Syrian state television
has reported. According to Reuters, the deal was reached earlier on Sunday, citing al-Ikhbariya TV
news. It will see the remaining militants and their families evacuated from east Aleppo in return
for the evacuation of people in militant-held villages in Idlib province, al-Foua and Kafraya.
Syrian state television has reported that five buses were attacked and burned by "armed terrorists"
while en route to al-Foua and Kefraya. However, most of them, as well as Red Crescent vehicles, reached
the entrance to the villages, the report said.
Syrian state news agency SANA reported earlier that evacuation buses had entered the last militant-held
district of eastern Aleppo, Ramousah, under the supervision of the International Committee of the
Red Cross (ICRC) and the Syrian Arab Red Cross. State television showed live footage of buses and
a van bearing a Syrian Arab Red Crescent flag parked next to a highway intersection in Ramousah .
Several large white cars marked with Red Crescent and Red Cross symbols also appeared in the footage.
As
BBC adds, the convoy was traveling to Foah and Kefraya, besieged by rebel fighters. Pro-government
forces have been demanding that people be allowed to leave the mainly Shia villages in order for
the evacuation of east Aleppo to restart, with thousands of people waiting to leave in desperate
conditions, reports say.
The initial plan to evacuate eastern Aleppo collapsed on Friday, leaving civilians stranded at
various points along the route out without access to food or shelter.
PHOTOS: Other buses have however arrived in Kafraya and Fuah -
@sayed_ridha
Despite delays caused by disagreements over the new evacuation plan, convoys were said to be traveling
to both eastern Aleppo and the government-held villages in Idlib province on Sunday. However, UK-based
monitoring group the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said six buses were attacked and torched
on the way to Foah and Kefraya.
Jaish Fateh militants have set fire to several buses that were going towards Fuah-Kafraya in
Idlib countryside pic.twitter.com/wud4CNQp1u
It had reported earlier that the "moderate rebel" group Jabhat Fatah al-Sham, formerly known as
the Nusra Front, was preventing buses entering the villages.
As a reminder, earlier in the year, Jabhat Al-Nusra, rebranded itself Jabhat Fateh Al-Sham, a
cosmetic change which was apparently sufficient to convince the US government to brand them "moderates"
and send them arms and equipment, equipment which today may have been used against innocent Syrian
citizens.
Syrian state media said "armed terrorists" attacked five buses, burned and destroyed them.
More pics of the buses which were burned by militants near Sarmin south of Binnish, Idlib
pic.twitter.com/by7g7wf5tP
Rebel groups have not yet commented on the attack. Subsequent to the attack, it was reported that
more buses have been sent to Fuah-Kafraya to replace those that were burnt, although it was unclear
if the "rebels" would allow them passage.
Meanwhile, later on Sunday, the United Nations Security Council is set to vote on a French-drafted
resolution aimed at ensuring that UN officials can monitor the evacuations from Aleppo and the safety
of the remaining civilians. Reuters reported that those evacuated on Thursday and Friday morning
had been taken to rebel-held districts in the countryside west of Aleppo.
As RT notes
, a draft of the resolution "emphasizes that the evacuations of civilians must be voluntary and
to final destinations of their choice, and protection must be provided to all civilians who choose
or who have been forced to be evacuated and those who opt to remain in their homes."
It was not immediately clear how Russia will vote. "If it is a sensible initiative and we see
it on paper, why not entertain this initiative?" Russian Ambassador to the UN Vitaly Churkin said
on Friday.
i HAVE TO ASK A QUESTION: Didn't the US back the rebels and how deep is the US ( under the Pervert
in the WH ) involved and is the US (CIA) responsible?
JUST MAKES ME SICK ... AS THOMAS JEFFERSON ONCE SAID:
"I TREMBLE FOR MY NATION WHEN I KNOW THAT GOD IS JUST AND HIS JUSTICE CANNOT SLEEP FOREVER."
While the rebels may well be connected to terrorist group, this incident does sound odd.
"State television showed live footage of buses and a van bearing a Syrian Arab Red Crescent
flag parked next to a highway intersection in Ramousah. Several large white cars marked with Red
Crescent and Red Cross symbols also appeared in the footage."
No rebel approached or attacked the state television crew? Hidden camera? Invisibility cloak?
"Moderate" Rebels. Your tax dollars at work. I hope Trump gets rid of all of the sick fucks in
our government who are behind all of this shit in the Middle East.
Meh, empires rise and fall...the Romans at Palmyra, more recently the Ottomans, "we" really don't
have a dog in the fight, from a western perspective, it was a French Mandate after the Ottomans
crashed & burned so maybe Hollande should nuke it...lol...joking of course.
Make no mistake, to me Assad Jr is the same as his daddy before him but its not our fight,
the imposed borders mean nothing to the people who actually live there, the lines are just lines
on a map and bunch of sand & rock isn't worth a war with Russia over, no matter what the west
might think of an Assad (and my opinion is clear on him) there was some structure (or order)...for
better or worse.
No one ever said "order & structure" is always angelic, its just order & structure, as opposed
to the lack of and they know that more than anyone ;-)
Of course this was the action of moderates. Radical islam would have burned them when they were
full of people going the other direction. I have to wonder where they get the "volunteers" to
drive them.
"Rebels" are by definition "moderates", and therefore friends of Obama, Hillary, McCain, and Lindsey
Graham, and therefore DO NOT burn people. "Rebels" use fire to drive the devils out of people
, which frees the people's souls up to where Jehovah can get a good look at them and ask them
why they were in a bus in Aleppo instead of in a limo pulling up to CometPizza. Freeing,
not burning. Big difference.
We live in a sea of lies. Per NPR this morning – French officials are demanding that Russia
stop the intense bombing of the huge masses of civilians seeking shelter in the last remaining
rebel areas in Aleppo. They demand that a humanitarian corridor 5 kilometers wide be created for
their escape [where to, I wonder] protected by NATO/EU troops. The barbarity of the Russians and
Syrians are is simply impossible to describe per the report.
NPR and other MSM channels have adopted a relatively clever strategy – they simply pass along
reports from important sounding organizations like the Observatory for Human Rights while ignoring
any alternative information sources. They sort of learned their lesson from the WMD fiasco – don't
manufacture the lie, let someone else do it. So the MSM is simply a component in the supply chain
of lies.
I have not ever experienced a #fakenews onslaught as today. Every mainstream media and agency
seems to have lost all inhibitions and is reporting any rumor claim regarding east-Aleppo as fact.
Consider this BBC headline and opener:
Aleppo battle: UN says 82 civilians shot on the spot
Syrian pro-government forces have been entering homes in eastern Aleppo and killing those inside,
including women and children, the UN says.
The UN's human rights office said it had reliable evidence that in four areas 82 civilians
were shot on sight.
1. A UN human rights office does not exists. What the BBC means is the Office of the U.N. High
Commissioner of Human Rights (OHCHR). That commissioner is the Jordanian Prince Zeid Ra'ad Al
Hussein, a Hashemite educated in the UK and U.S. and a relative of the Jordanian dictator king.
That is relevant to note as Jordan is heavily involved in the supporting the "rebels" against
the Syrian government.
2. The office has not "said" that "82 civilians were shot" or other such gruesome stuff. It
said that there were "sources" that have "reports" that such happened. From its press statement
today:
Multiple sources have reports that tens of civilians were shot dead yesterday in al-Ahrar
Square in al-Kallaseh neighbourhood, and also in Bustan al-Qasr, by Government forces and their
allies, including allegedly the Iraqi al-Nujabaa armed group .
####
At least 93 reportedly killed and hundreds injured near Palmyra, with witnesses saying many child
victims suffocated
The Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) is seriously concerned about
claims that at least 93 people were killed by a gas attack in central Syria when airstrikes hit
a cluster of five villages.
Up to 300 people were also reported to have been injured in the strikes on Monday morning around
130 miles west of the city of Palmyra, which was retaken from Syrian forces by the Islamic State
group. Witnesses to the attacks say that none of those who died had blast injuries
The high death toll is not consistent with the spate of chlorine gas attacks across Syria
in recent years, which have killed scores of people in total but have not caused mass casualties
at this scale.
Photographs purportedly taken after the attacks show rows of children lying on the ground.
All appear to be dead and foam is apparent near the nose of one young boy.
The images resemble those taken in the aftermath of an attack that killed more than 1,300
people in the suburbs of Damascus in August 2013, which the United Nations said was 'indisputably'
caused by sarin gas. On that occasion the US, UK and France blamed the Assad regime. The UN said
the sarin used had probably come from regime stockpiles
####
So it didn't take so long after all. ISIS/ISIL/DAESH/Whatever can kill as creatively as they
wish and the Pork Pie News Networks will consistently report is as being done 'by Assad'. ISIS
forced them in to cellars then gassed them, only to have 'sources' present it as an
"... ALBerto I agree. It is also clear the cease fire agreements between the army and the Russians in Syria were deliberately sabotaged on at least two occasions. This supports the view that there is a split between the CIA and the army. ..."
From The Syrian Arab Army's "more official than any
other"
Facebook
page:
"...the city of Palmyra after the Syrian Arab Army units managed to regroup
and counterattack; the counter attack was aimed to prevent ISIS from entering the city
before the majority if not all civilians, what needs to be evacuated is evacuated.
In the morning, an organized withdrawal order was given to the troops, even after
the bulk of ISIS attack was repelled.
As we mentioned the night ended with ISIS pushed over 7km form the city itself;
and as we mentioned yesterday don't take any news as definitive.
Yesterday, reinforcement from the Syrian Arab Army were sent led by one of the
greatest SAA Generals, and everything changed afterwards.
As for now, the Syrian Arab Army pulled out of Palmyra; we don't know the second
step yet and we will update the page when we have information that we can share.
In its latest post some 45 minutes ago, the page author explains: "...the Syrian
command have to make hard choices to minimize SAA loses over any area on the map;
because the control map can be changed either with huge casualties or with minimal
casualties, but those who are lost cannot be revived."
It's a familiar story. We see armies advance and withdraw, advance and withdraw. What
matters is how many civilians die or can be protected and how many soldiers are left,
and to which side, which then rules the ground. Russian and Syrian gunships are
inflicting massive damage on these terrorists. Civilians are being evacuated from the
battle zones. At this moment SAA either controls the city or will control the city. But
SAA controls the battle.
ALBerto I agree. It is also clear the cease fire agreements between the army and the Russians
in Syria were deliberately sabotaged on at least two occasions. This supports the view that there
is a split between the CIA and the army. Good luck to trump and his friends. He is not someone
I would normally support but it does appear that he is an outsider to both the Republicans and
Democrats and may indeed be intent on draining the swamp. A very difficult road ahead as the corruption
amongst the powerful in the USA is widespread. Karma is the word that comes to mind if one looks
at what the USA has done to other countries around the world.
Robert McMaster@66 Tillerson's nomination could face intense scrutiny in the Senate, considering
his years of work in Russia and the Middle East on behalf of the multinational petroleum company.
Already, two leading Republican hawks, Sens. John McCain (Ariz.) and Lindsey O. Graham (S.C.),
have voiced concerns about Tillerson's serving as the nation's top diplomat because of his ties
to Putin.
I can hear McCains first question "Have you now or have you ever been a member of the Communist
Party.
"... Alawites in Syria: French Mandate and Sectarian Tensions ..."
"... "Baath nationalism was different from Sunni Arab nationalism in that [Baathists] wanted a united secular Arab society." ..."
"... Founded in Syria in 1940 by Orthodox Christian Michel Aflaq and Sunni Salah al-Din Bitar, the Baathist movement was influenced by secular and pan-Arab ideas, championing freedom from foreign powers, Arab unity, and socialism. ..."
"... Alawites in Syria: Assad Regime and Sectarian Tensions ..."
Alawites in Syria: French Mandate and Sectarian Tensions
The role of the Alawites in Syria first became apparent after World War I with the division of the
Arab provinces of the Ottoman Empire by Britain and France. The division resulted in the assignment
of Palestine to Britain and Syria and Lebanon to France. France, fearing potential independence movements
and Arab nationalism which threatened its control over the region, intentionally inflamed sectarian
separations
during its mandate from 1920-1946 . Minorities, such as the Druze and Alawites, also
feared the nationalist movements that were mostly dominated by Sunnis. With France fearing movements
threatening its power and minorities fearing similar movements for more religious reasons, France
pragmatically granted autonomy to areas where these minorities were heavily populated. On July 1,
1922, "the state of Latakia" was established for the Alawites, and by September 15, 1922, a court
decision granted the Alawites legal autonomy. Not only did such autonomy strengthen the weaker minorities,
but it also allowed for distinctions between religions and sects to be created thus preventing a
unification of all Arabs and
ensuring the preservation of France's power . Until 1942, and except for a three-year period
from 1936 to 1939, the Alawites and Druze remained separate from the rest of unified Syria. To ensure
sectarian divisions and to prevent any takeover by Arab nationalists, France deliberately ignored
developing a ruling elite, coupling such a decision by having each institution represented by a different
religious or ethnic group. Any former amicable relationship between the minority and Sunni majority
and any possibility of growth in the nationalist movement in Syria deteriorated significantly because
of
France's "divide and rule" policy .
This new relationship between groups in Syria
continued after Syria's independence in April 1946 , stymieing any attempts for Arab unification
and fostering greater attention towards local ambitions. Before independence from France, Syrians
were united under one party and the common goal of achieving independence. After independence, a
Sunni elite became in charge of the government, and integration of the minorities into Syrian society
was necessary for a more nationalist approach. To eliminate regionalism and the domination of the
minorities in parliament (due to their close relationship with France under its mandate), the Sunnis
attempted
to limit the representation of the concentrated minority groups in parliament. The Sunni elite
eradicated the Alawite state, parliamentary seats, and certain minority jurisdictional rights.
The abolition of jurisdictional rights in order to establish a centralized rule in Damascus
ignited confrontation among the minorities . . . The Alawites became reconciled to common Syrian
citizenship and gave up the dream of a separate Alawite state. This change of outlook, which seemed
to be of minor importance at the time, actually led to a new era in Syrian politics: the political
rise of the Alawites.
The basis for sectarian tensions between Sunnis and Alawites is evident when one considers the
change from Alawite autonomy to subordination under the Sunnis.
Formed in 1921, the
Troupes Spéciales du Levant was a local military used by the French that eventually evolved into
the Lebanese and Syrian military. Similar to France's "divide and rule" approach, the integration
of the Troupes Spéciales du Levant was done in a way so that it was difficult for any group to attain
enough power to threaten French rule. Given the threatening nature of the Sunnis at the time, many
of whom supported Arab nationalist movements, the military gained
a large minority presence , and "military recruitment involved weakening the forces of nationalism
that Arab Sunnis used to challenge the French over the future of Syria." Sectarian tensions were
further developed with the creation of the Troupes Spéciales du Levant, given that the minority-dominated
military
frequently suppressed Sunni movements .
Minorities frequently found themselves joining the military because it provided a source of income
and potential for social mobility. Unlike the Sunni elites-who refused to send their children into
the military under the pretense that it was furthering France's imperial desires and used their money
to become exempt from military service-the Alawites and other minorities
took advantage of the potential opportunity the military provided. By 1949 (the year of the first
military coup in Syria), the Alawites had gained a political presence. By 1955, about 65% of the
non-commissioned officers were Alawites. Before 1963, the Alawites did not outnumber the Sunnis in
the officer corps, but they did dominate the lower positions of the military. Nevertheless
, the trend towards higher ranking positions began after Syrian independence from France. After
Syria's independence, the number of schools in Syria expanded greatly.
[1]
This expansion gave lower class citizens more educational opportunities, and they became more
qualified for military academies, such as the Military Academy at Homs.
[2]
Sunni leaders believed that dominating the higher positions in the military was enough to ensure
Sunni command of the military. This notion
proved to be a key factor in the Sunni elite's demise.
As the Alawites continued to dominate the lower ranks and ascend towards higher positions, the
higher-ranking Sunnis failed to remain unified. The Sunnis led
three military coups from 1949 to 1954. With the formation and establishment of the Syrian-Egyptian
Union from 1954 to 1958, the officer corps failed to remain unified and split into factions. Even
after the Sunni officer-led "union pledge" in January 1958, a coup led by Sunni officers in September
1961 resulted in Syria's
separation from the union . The lack of unity between Sunni officers, specifically after Syria's
break from the union,
[3]
"greatly weakened Sunni representation in the officer corps and strengthened the minorities,
mainly the Alawite officer corps. 'As
Sunni officers eliminated each other , Alawites inherited their positions and became increasingly
senior; as one [Alawite] rose through the ranks, he brought his kinsmen along.'"
Along with the military, the Baathist movement in Syria fostered greater Alawite power and furthered
sectarian tensions. Unlike pan-Arabism, which, "aimed at the political resurrection of the Arabs
as one nation" and had a
strong association with Sunni Islam , "Baath nationalism was different from Sunni Arab nationalism
in that [Baathists] wanted a united secular Arab society."
Pan-Arab nationalists attempted to incorporate Islam into the pan-Arab movement for they believed
that the religion played an integral role in both Arab history and culture. Even though the pan-Arab
movement was considered to be spearheaded by Sunnis from the perspective of the minorities, many
Sunnis disapproved of pan-Arabism because Islam
did not play a sufficient role in its doctrine. While many Sunnis believed in a
doctrine more heavily influenced by Islam , "the religious minorities supported the Baath's nationalistic
ideology, in which all Arabs were equal, whether Sunni Muslims, Alawites or members of other heterodox
Muslim communities or Christians."
Founded in Syria in 1940 by Orthodox Christian Michel Aflaq and Sunni Salah al-Din Bitar,
the Baathist movement was influenced by secular and pan-Arab ideas, championing freedom from
foreign powers, Arab unity, and socialism. By April 1947, the Baath Congress gathered in Damascus,
and another party, comprised mainly of Alawites, emerged with similar ideas. While the group supported
Baathist ideas such as Arab independence and unity, the members followed Alawite scholar Zaki Arsuzi
(follower of Alawite socialist, Dr. Wahib al-Ghanim), who placed priority on social justice. Ghanim
insisted that particular socialist ideas be adopted
into the Baathist constitution . While Aflaq rejected such adamancy, Bitar consented to uniting
the Baath and Arab Socialist Party, which advocated for the same issues as Ghanim. Akram al-Hawrani,
the leader of the Arab Socialist Party, received the support of many rural Alawites and young Alawite
officers. With the merger of the two parties into the Arab Baath Socialist Party in September 1953,
the Baathist movement gained strong support from officers (presumably minority officers) and the
Alawite community, given the fact that the party's advocacy for social justice would inherently
bolster the Alawites against the repressive Sunni s.
While the Syrian-Egyptian Union resulted in the disbandment of all political parties, the Baathist
ideology remained with organized Alawite groups that had a sizeable amount of control over the Latakian
region. Thus,
after Syria seceded from the union in 1961 , the Alawites "were the strongest and most organized
force in the much-weakened national organization." During the Syrian-Egyptian Union, a military faction
within the Baath Party developed, and
a secret organization among Baathist-supporting officers in Egypt was created in 1959.
Dr. Ayse Tekdal Fildis writes :
The goal of the organization was to restore the Syrian army to Syrian control. The members
of this secret military organization, eventually known as the military committee, were not involved
in the Baath's traditional leadership or party structure. They operated as one of several politically
active groups of officers involved in the dissolution of the union in 1961 and in the fight for
political control of Syria during the subsequent year and a half.
Following Syria's separation from the union, the Baath Party gained political potency swiftly.
The Baath Party itself became a national ruling party only after the Baathist military faction's
coup on March 8, 1963, which overthrew the "
separatist regime " (responsible for Syria's secession from the Syrian-Egyptian Union and was
undergoing infighting among Sunni leaders).
With the rise of the Baath Party came the rise of and partiality towards the Alawites given the
group's dominance in the Baath Party and its representation in the Baathist military faction (specifically
the Military Committee). After this coup, the minority representation in the officer corps, especially
that of the Alawites, increased greatly as Baathist military leaders (
five out of the fourteen members of the Military Committee were Alawites ) attempted to consolidate
their power.
[4]
"The climax of the [Baathists'] power [monopolization] came on [
July 18, 1963 ], when a group of predominantly Sunni Nasserist officers, led by Colonel Jasim
'Alwan, staged an abortive coup. Most of the officers who suppressed this coup, not without bloodshed,
were of minoritarian backgrounds, and among them [Alawites] played a prominent role."
[5]
Discrimination between Sunnis and the minorities became prevalent and more apparent in the years
following 1963. In order to strategically preserve Baathist and minority power, army units were filled
with "trusted" officers and stationed in tactical areas such as Damascus.
[6]
Units filled with non-minority members were more likely to be stationed in areas farther from
the Baathist stronghold. These
moves allowed for the military coup on February 23, 1966, which resulted in
Alawite
control of Damascus , to take place.
Even as the Military Committee came into power following 1963, the leaders began to split and
gain the support of those regionally and ideologically tied with them to bolster their individual
powers. While leaders frequently strengthened themselves with people of the same sectarian background,
alliances amongst the Military Committee leaders were not always along sectarian lines, and many
times were merely for practical reasons to pursue their interests.
[7]
In 1970,
both
Alawite rivalries and Syria's series of coups "were put to rest with a bloodless military coup
led by then-air force commander and Defense Minister Gen. Hafiz [al-Assad] (now deceased) against
his Alawite rival, Salah Jadid. [Al-Assad] was the first Alawite leader capable of dominating the
fractious Alawite sect."
Alawites in Syria: Assad Regime and Sectarian Tensions
Following the coup in 1970, which effectively marked the beginning of the Assad regime that exists
today, Hafez al-Assad consolidated his power among trusted Alawites and prominent Sunnis in order
to strategically thwart potential revolts by the Sunni majority. Specifically, he "
stacked
the security apparatus with loyal clansmen while taking care to build patronage networks with
Druze and Christian minorities that facilitated the [al-Assad] rise." Additionally
, to
mollify Sunni dissatisfaction , the Assad "leadership co-opted key Sunni military and business
elites, relying on notables like former Syrian Defense Minister Mustafa Tlass to contain dissent
within the military and Alawite big-business families like the Makhloufs to buy loyalty, or at least
tolerance, among a Sunni merchant class that had seen most of its assets seized and redistributed
by the state." Such actions facilitated resentment from Sunnis, especially Sunnis extremists. Hafez
al-Assad further engendered tensions between the Alawites and outspoken Sunni Islamists by constraining
their abilities to spread the Sunni religious doctrine. The
regime
took over religious funding and discharged leaders of Friday prayers. Along with consolidating
power through sectarian means, Hafez al-Assad politically established himself. In the
period from 1971-1973 , Assad bolstered himself through a nominated Baath legislature, confirmed
himself as President for a seven-year term through a national referendum, and established a new constitution
that declared Syria a secular socialist state with Islam being the majority religion.
With the Assad regime stabilized and consolidated through the support of Alawites, minority groups,
and key Sunnis, any attempts to overthrow the regime were suppressed and only added to the sectarian
tensions that already existed at the beginning of Hafez al-Assad's leadership. Such suppression peaked
in the regime's crackdown on Sunni insurgents led by the Syrian Muslim Brotherhood, who were protesting
Assad's new constitution. The
constitution had established a secular state and allowed a non-Muslim to be president (
this was
later amended ). The uprising, intended to overthrow the heretical Assad regime, began in 1976
and became the most violent in 1982, in Hama. In this Sunni-populated town, Assad and his Alawite
constituency
killed up to 20,000 residents . Since the incident at Hama, the Alawites continued to consolidate
power and
control over Syria . The Assad regime also preserved its power by overcoming various potential
destabilizers: events that if handled improperly could have undermined the whole Assad regime. An
attempted coup by Hafez al-Assad's brother, the death of Hafez al-Assad's apparent heir, Syria's
frequent feuds with Israel, and Syria's involvement in Lebanon,
all
had the potential to destabilize the Assad regime . Rather, Assad dealt with these events in
ways that either preserved Assad's rule or further strengthened the regime's power.
Following the death of Hafez al-Assad on June 10, 2000, the Syrian parliament reduced the minimum
age for
presidential eligibility from 40 to 34 allowing Hafez al-Assad's son, Bashar al-Assad, to run
for president and maintain the regime. Bashar al-Assad's regime preserved its ruling authority by
imprisoning activists who
advocated for democratic elections in August 2001 .
It is important to note that while an apparent bias towards Alawites existed under the Assad regime,
both Assads claimed that Syria was a non-sectarian state. For this reason, many Alawites still remain
poor, and the Syrian education system promotes
the majority
orthodox faith in Syria, Sunni Islam . Moreover, dissent amongst Alawites exists in Syria, and
Alawite dissenters have sometimes experienced
harsher punishments than non-Alawites . Additionally, the Alawite regime did not completely repress
the Sunni majority and promote Alawi Islam. Rather, the Alawite regime under Hafez al-Assad attempted
to gain approval from the Sunni population as well as create a new relationship and distinction between
government and Islam. According to
Joshua Landis , director of the Center for Middle East Studies,
When [Hafez al-Assad] came to power in 1970, one of his primary goals was to establish a new
balance between the government and Islam. One of the central planks of his "Corrective Movement"
was to abandon the radical secularism and socialism of the Jadid regime that preceded him. Although
he reached out to Sunni clerics, giving them greater leeway in society, he strictly limited their
influence in politics. At the same time, he encouraged Alawites to embrace mainstream Islam. He
declared the Alawites to be nothing but Twelver [Shias], forbade Alawite Shaykhs to venerate Ali
excessively, and set the example for his people by adhering to Sunni practice. He built mosques
in Alawite towns, prayed publicly and fasted and encouraged his people to do the same. In short
he tried to turn Alawites into "good" (read Sunnified) Muslims in exchange for preserving a modicum
of secularism and tolerance in society To police this understanding, he squashed any semblance
of democracy in Syrian political life, forbidding elections even within professional organizations
and trade unions. As a result, civil society was crushed, ministries became havens for mafia groups,
and any political life outside the secretive factions in the regime came to a standstill.
Besides obtaining support from outside nations and groups such as Iran, Russia, and Hezbollah,
Assad's regime initially received support from the Alawite community. The Alawites supported Assad
for various reasons. While some backed the regime out of pure loyalty, other Alawites understood
their
fate if Assad's Alawite regime were to fall .
For the latter group, the downfall of Assad would inevitably result in another Sunni rule, allowing
the Sunni elite to once again
oppress the Alawites . More importantly, given the acts of the Assad regime (including the killing
in Hama), many Alawites understood
their grim fate if Sunnis regained power and exacted their revenge for the loss of thousands
of innocent Sunnis. For the most part, "the Assad regime has played on Alawite
fears to help it stay in power ." Nevertheless, "the wholehearted loyalty that Hafez enjoyed
in his early stage of rule has switched to another type of connection for Bashar
based on sectarian insecurity ."
While Bashar al Assad has not created ISIS whose roots are in humiliated Saddam Hossein
Sunni generals and soldiers, it is obvious that he did not prevent them from
infiltrating the 'rebels'. He wanted a clash between the 'rebels' mostly inspired by the
Moslem Brotherhood (who has "succeeded" in Libya, Egypt and Tunisia) and with other
Sunni Islamists who had a more extreme ideology.
The 'rebels' ( later taken over by Al Nusra) were funded by Qatar and Turkey ( fans of
the MB) while the Salafists ( later ISIS) originated in Iraq, Pakistan and other
countries were funded by Saudi Arabia.
Bashar al Assad threw them face to face in order to weaken them. Its quite possible that
he managed to keep their dissension alive by sometime executing one side to get a
violent response of the other. That was a very smart strategy. He helped transforming
the 'moderate' rebels into violent fighters motivated by money and revenge that soon
were labelled terrorists by the Western world.
The war was had threefold: Salafists against Moslem Brotherhood, and both against the
Syrian army. As the funds and support the Islamist were getting from Saudi Arabia,
Qatar, Kuwait and Turkey were unlimited, the Syrian army found itself in a dire
situation, despite the help from Arab Shia militias. The intervention of Russia changed
the whole picture. Later the Kurdish factor has weakened Turkey further and the failed
Yemen war made Saudi Arabia less generous with the 'rebels'. Only Qatar has continued to
fund them.
Thus Bashar al Assad may have benefited from the emergence of ISIS in the
beginning but he was about to be overrun without Russia and Iran's support.
For Russia and Iran, the fall of Bashar al Assad meant the massacre of the Shia,
Alawites and Christians and violent struggle between the two extremist Islamist factions
( MB and Salafists) with incompatible ideology.
It was clear that Bashar al Assad should not be allowed to be toppled and they acted
accordingly independently of the civilian casualties.
The delirious state of the ruling European elites has been displayed on public when
the
Guardian
published their last demand:
'European leaders, notably the French, are privately warning Vladimir Putin that
if he permits Syria's president, Bashar al-Assad, to turn an expected capture of
Aleppo into a military victory across most of the country, it will be up to Russia to
foot the bill for reconstruction.'
It looks that those in power in London, Paris, Berlin are completely brain dead,
since they seem to be unable to recall who destroyed Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan
and a number of other countries.
The United States, with the avid support provided by the EU, have killed hundreds
of thousands of civilians, while destroying the homes and the infrastructure that
supported those that they spared, which resulted in a veritable exodus of migrants
from the Middle East and Africa to Europe.
So, maybe they should be paying the bills instead of forcing smaller European
countries to provide shelter for the refugees they created in the first place.
And what about Washington's responsibility?
Let's see ...
- If the US hires the Israelis to build a wall on the Mexican border, and the
Mexicans should pay for it, and
- If the US uses NATO to surround Russia and to start a war with that country, and the
Europeans should pay for it - and fight it
- Then Europeans should welcome the refugees from the USraeli/USaudi wars in the Middle
East and USropean wars in NA as well, right?
Trumpian logic 101.
I don't think Trump's counterparts in Europe are going to see it that way, once
they're elected as he was, out the revulsion of the population with USropean policies
that have left them financially devastated, bankrupts themselves.
Maybe China should pay? Right.
Maybe the Saudis and the GCC should pay ... they paid to destroy the ME, might they
not be compelled to pay to put it back together again? Seems like a Trumpian solution to
me. I imagine he can get his up and coming counterparts in Europe to go along with that.
"... Suspension of the rules is a procedure generally used to quickly pass non-controversial bills in the United States House of Representatives .such as naming Post Offices " ..."
"... "We cannot delay action on Syria any further . if we don't get this legislation across the finish line in the next few weeks, we are back to square one." ..."
"... "the brave Syrian defector known to the world as Caesar, who testified to us the shocking scale of torture being carried out within the prisons of Syria." ..."
"... "The administration has decided not to decide. And that itself, unfortunately, has set a course where here we sit and watch and the violence only worsens. Mr. Speaker, America has been sitting back and watching these atrocities for far too long. Vital U.S. national security interests are at stake." ..."
"... "Four years ago I thought we should have aided the Free Syrian Army. They came to us in Washington and begged us for help they were simply looking for weaponry. I really believe if we had given it to them, the situation in Syria would have been different today." ..."
"... "We're going into the New Year 2017, Assad still clings to power, at the expense of killing millions of his citizens." ..."
"... "The world has witnessed this terrible tragedy unfold before our eyes. Nearly half a million Syrians killed. Not soldiers – men, women, children killed." ..."
"... "It is the sense of Congress that– ..."
"... (1) Bashar al-Assad's murderous actions against the people of Syria have caused the deaths of more than 400,000 ..."
"... civilians " ..."
"... "committing crimes against humanity and war crimes against civilians including murder, torture and rape. No one has been spared from this targeting, even children." ..."
"... "We (previously) heard the testimony of Raed Saleh of the Syrian White Helmets. These are the doctors, nurses and volunteers who actually, when the bombs come, run towards the areas that have been hit in order to try to get the injured civilians medical treatment They have lost over 600 doctors and nurses." ..."
"... "It is Russia, it is Hezbollah, that are the primary movers of death and destruction it is the IRGC fighters from Iran ..."
"... "Yes, we want to go after Assad's partners in violence along with Iranian and Hezbollah forces ..."
"... "the Syrian regime . often plays a useful role for US and Israeli interests." ..."
"... "We always wanted [President] Bashar Assad to go, we always preferred the bad guys who weren't backed by Iran to the bad guys who were backed by Iran the greatest danger to Israel is by the strategic arc that extends from Tehran, to Damascus to Beirut. And we saw the Assad regime as the keystone in that arc." ..."
"
Suspension of the rules is a procedure generally used to quickly pass non-controversial bills
in the United States House of Representatives .such as naming Post Offices "
In this case, the resolution calls for evaluating and developing plans for a"No Fly Zone" which
is an act of war. This is obviously controversial and it seems clear the resolution should have been
debated and discussed under normal rules with a normal amount of Congressional presence and debate.
The motivation for bypassing normal rules and rushing the bill through without debate was articulated
by the bill's author and ranking Democrat Eliot Engel, who said:
"We cannot delay action on Syria any further . if we don't get this legislation across
the finish line in the next few weeks, we are back to square one."
The current urgency may be related to the election results, since Trump has spoken out against
"regime change" foreign policy. As much as they are critical of Obama for not doing more, Congressional
neoconservatives are concerned about the prospect of a President who might move toward peace and
away from war.
The Caesar Fraud
HR5732 is titled the "Caesar Syria Civilian Protection Act". Foreign Affairs Committee Chair Ed
Royce (R-Ca) explained that the resolution is named after "the brave Syrian defector known to
the world as Caesar, who testified to us the shocking scale of torture being carried out within the
prisons of Syria."
In reality, the Caesar story was a
grand deception involving the CIA with funding from Qatar to sabotage the 2014 Geneva negotiations.
The 55,000 photos which were said to show 11,000 torture victims have never been publicly revealed.
Only a tiny number of photos have been publicized.
However, in 2015 Human Rights Watch was granted access to view the entire set. They revealed that
almost one half the photos show the opposite of what was claimed: instead of victims tortured by
the Syrian government, they actually show dead Syrian soldiers and civilian victims of car bombs
and other terror attacks!
The "Caesar" story, replete with masked 'defector', was one of the early propaganda hoaxes regarding
Syria.
False Claims that the US has been doing nothing
One of the big lies regarding Syria is that the US has been inactive. Royce says:
"The administration has decided not to decide. And that itself, unfortunately, has set
a course where here we sit and watch and the violence only worsens. Mr. Speaker, America has been
sitting back and watching these atrocities for far too long. Vital U.S. national security interests
are at stake."
The ranking Democrat Eliot Engel said:
"Four years ago I thought we should have aided the Free Syrian Army. They came to us in
Washington and begged us for help they were simply looking for weaponry. I really believe if
we had given it to them, the situation in Syria would have been different today."
This is nonsense. The US was actively coordinating, training and supplying armed opposition groups
beginning in late 2011. When the Qadaffi government was toppled in Fall 2011, the CIA oversaw the
theft of the Libyan armories and shipment of weapons to Syrian armed opposition as documented in
the
Defense Intelligence Agency report of October 2012.
These weapons transfers were secret. For the public record it was acknowledged that the US was
supplying communications equipment to the armed opposition while Saudi Arabia and Qatar were supplying
weaponry. This is one reason that Saudi purchases of weapons skyrocketed during this time period;
they were buying weapons to replace those being shipped to the armed opposition in Syria. It was
very profitable for US arms manufacturers.
Huge weapons transfers to the armed opposition in Syria have continued to the present. This past
Spring, Janes Defense
reported the details of a U.S. delivery of 2.2 million pounds of ammunition, rocket launchers
and other weaponry to the armed opposition.
Claims that the US has been inactive are baseless. In reality the US has done everything short
of a direct attack on Syria. And the US military is starting to cross that barrier. On September
17 the US air coalition did a direct attack on the Syrian Army in Deir Ezzor, killing 80 Syrian soldiers
and enabling ISIS to launch an attack on the position.
Claims that it was a "mistake" are highly dubious.
The claims by Congressional hawks that the US has been 'inactive' in the Syrian conflict are part
of the false narrative suggesting the US must "do something" which leads to a No Fly Zone and full
scale war. Ironically, these calls for war are masked as "humanitarian". And never do the proponents
bring up the case of Libya where the US and NATO "did something": destroyed the government and left
chaos.
Congress as a Fact-Free House of Propaganda
With only a handful of representatives present and no debate, the six Congress members engaged
in unrestrained propaganda and misinformation. The leading Democrat, Eliot Engel, said "We're
going into the New Year 2017, Assad still clings to power, at the expense of killing millions of
his citizens."
That number is way off anyone's charts.
Rep Kildee said "The world has witnessed this terrible tragedy unfold before our eyes. Nearly
half a million Syrians killed. Not soldiers – men, women, children killed."
The official text of the resolution says:
"It is the sense of Congress that– (1) Bashar al-Assad's murderous actions against the people of Syria have caused the deaths
of more than 400,000 civilians "
The above accusations – from "millions of citizens" to "half a million" to "400,000 civilians"
– are all preposterous lies.
Credible
estimates of casualties in the Syrian conflict range from 300,000 to 420,000. The opposition
supporting Syrian Observatory for Human Rights estimates the documented 2011-2016 death toll as follows:
killed pro Syrian forces – 108,000
killed anti government forces – 105,000
killed civilians – 89,000
In contrast with Congressional and media claims, civilians comprise a minority of the total death
count and the largest casualty group is those fighting in defense of the the Syrian state. These
facts are ignored and never mentioned because they point to the reality versus the propaganda narrative
which allows the USA and allies to continue funding terrorism and a war of aggression against Syria.
The Congressional speakers were in full self-righteous mode as they accused the Syrian government
of "committing crimes against humanity and war crimes against civilians including murder, torture
and rape. No one has been spared from this targeting, even children."
A naive listener would never know that the Syrian government is primarily fighting the Syrian
branch of Al-Qaeda, including thousands of foreigners supplied and paid by foreign governments.
The Congressional speakers go on to accuse the Syrian military of "targeting" hospitals, schools
and markets. A critical listener might ask why they would do that instead of targeting the Al-Qaeda
terrorists and their allies who launch dozens and sometimes hundreds of
hell cannon missiles into government held Aleppo every day.
The Congressional propaganda fest would not be complete without mention of the "
White
Helmets ". House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman Ed Royce said:
"We (previously) heard the testimony of Raed Saleh of the Syrian White Helmets. These are
the doctors, nurses and volunteers who actually, when the bombs come, run towards the areas that
have been hit in order to try to get the injured civilians medical treatment They have lost over
600 doctors and nurses."
This is more Congressional nonsense.
There are no nurses or doctors associated with the White Helmets. The organization was created
by the USA and UK and heavily promoted by a "
shady PR firm ". The White Helmets operate solely in areas controlled by Nusra and associated
terrorist groups. They do some rescue work in the conflict zone but their main role is in the information
war
manipulating public opinion.
The White Helmets actively promote US/NATO intervention through a No Fly Zone. Recently the White
Helmets has become a major source of claims of innocent civilian victims in east Aleppo. Given the
clear history of the White Helmets, these claims should be treated with skepticism. What exactly
is the evidence?
The same skepticism needs to be applied to video and other reports from the Aleppo Media Center.
AMC is a creation of the
Syrian Expatriates Organization whose address on K Street, Washington DC indicates it is a US
marketing operation.
What is really going on?
The campaign to overthrow the Syrian government is failing and there is possibility of a victory
for the Syrian government and allies. The previous flood of international jihadi recruits has dried
up. The Syrian Army and allies are gaining ground militarily and negotiating settlements or re-locations
with "rebels" who previously terrorized Homs, Darraya (outer Damascus) and elsewhere.
In Aleppo, the Syrian army and allies are tightening the noose around the armed opposition in
east Aleppo. This has caused alarm among neoconservative lawmakers devoted to Israel, Saudi Arabia
and U.S. empire. They are desperate to prevent the Syrian government from finally eliminating the
terrorist groups which the West and allies have promoted for the past 5+ years.
"Pro Israel" groups have been major campaigners for the passage of HR5732. The name of Simon
Wiesenthal is even invoked in the resolution. With crocodile tears fully flowing, Rabbi Lee Bycel
wrote "
Where is the Conscience of the World? " as he questioned why the "humanitarian" HR5732 was not
passed earlier.
Israeli interests are one of the primary forces sustaining and promoting the conflict. Syria is
officially at war with Israel which continues to occupy the Syrian Golan Heights; Syria has been
a key ally of the Lebanese resistance; and Syria has maintained its alliance with Iran.
In 2010 Secretary of State
Clinton urged Syria to break relations with Hezbollah, reduce relations with Iran and come to
settlement with Israel. The Syrian refusal to comply with these Washington demands was instrumental
in solidifying Washington's
hostility .
Congressional proponents of HR5732 make clear the international dimension of the conflict. Royce
explains:
"It is Russia, it is Hezbollah, that are the primary movers of death and destruction it
is the IRGC fighters from Iran ."
Engel echoes the same message:
"Yes, we want to go after Assad's partners in violence along with Iranian and Hezbollah
forces ."
These statements are in contrast with the analysis of some writers who believe Israel is not deeply
opposed to the Damascus government. For example Phyllis Bennis recently
wrote that belief in an "arc of resistance" has been "long debunked" and that "the Syrian
regime . often plays a useful role for US and Israeli interests."
It's remarkable that this faulty analysis continues to be propounded. In words and deeds Israel
has made its position on Syria crystal clear. Israeli Ambassador Michael Oren
explained in an interview:
"We always wanted [President] Bashar Assad to go, we always preferred the bad guys who
weren't backed by Iran to the bad guys who were backed by Iran the greatest danger to Israel
is by the strategic arc that extends from Tehran, to Damascus to Beirut. And we saw the Assad
regime as the keystone in that arc."
If the Syrian government and allies continue to advance in Aleppo, Deir Ezzor, outer Damascus
and the south, the situation will come to a head. The enemies of Syria – predominately the USA, Gulf
Countries, NATO and Israel – will come to a decision point. Do they intervene directly or do they
allow their regime project to collapse?
HR5732 is an effort to prepare for direct intervention and aggression.
One thing is clear from the experience of Libya: Neoconservatives do not care if they leave a
country in chaos. The main objective is to destabilize and overthrow a government which is too independent.
If the USA and allies cannot dominate the country, then at least they can destroy the contrary authority
and leave chaos.
What is at stake in Syria is whether the USA and allies – Israel, Saudi Arabia, etc. are able
to destroy the last secular and independent Arab country in the region and whether the US goal of
being the sole superpower in the world prevails.
The rushed passing of HR5732 without debate is indicative that:
– "regime change" proponents have not given up their war on Syria;
– they seek to escalate US aggression;
– the US Congress is a venue where blatant lies are said with impunity and where violent actions
are advanced behind a cynical and amoral veneer of "humanitarianism" and crocodile tears.
Trump essentially betrayed Flynn, who tried to did the billing of Kushner and persuade Russia to abstain from anti-Israel vote.
Notable quotes:
"... The big takeaways from this book is the (1) systemic manipulation of intelligence analysts' conclusions to fit political narratives (I have personally seen my work modified to "soften" the message/conclusions for x, y, or z reasons) and (2) Radical Islam is not a new phenomenon that spawned as a response to "American imperialism" as often preached from the lecterns of western universities. ..."
"... There is no love lost between Lt Gen Flynn and President Obama, and Flynn's frustration with Obama's lack of leadership is clear throughout this work. ..."
"... General Flynn is a career Army combat intelligence officer with extensive hard experience mostly in the Middle East, a lifetime Democrat, who seems to understand and is able to clearly and concisely define the threat of Radical Islam (NOT all Islam) far better than both the Bush ("W") and Obama administrations politicos in Washington were willing to hear or accept. ..."
"... in contrast to what his detractors might opine, General Flynn is speaking of Radical Islam as a "tribal cult," and not taking aim at the religion itself. ..."
"... The general's comments on human intelligence and interrogation operations being virtually nonexistent makes one wonder if all the Lessons Learned that are written after every conflict and stored away are then never looked at again - I suspect it's true. ..."
"... My unit, the 571st MI Detachment of the 525th MI Group, ran agents (HUMINT) throughout I Corps/FRAC in Vietnam. The Easter Offensive of 1972 was actually known and reported by our unit before and during the NVA's invasion of the South. We were virtually the only intelligence source available for the first couple of weeks because of weather. Search the internet for The Easter Offensive of 1972: A Failure to Use Intelligence. ..."
"... I totally concur with Lt. General, Michael T. Flynn, US Army, (ret), that any solution to "Radical Islamic Terrorism" today has to also resolve the ideology issue, along side the other recommendations that he discusses in his book. ..."
"... Provocative, bellicose, rhetorical, and patriotic, the author leaves the reader wondering if his understanding of the enemy is hubris or sagacity. Much of that confusion can be attributed to conditioning as a an American and seeing prosecution of American wars as apolitical and astrategic. General Flynn's contribution to the way forward, "Field of Fight" is certainly political and at a minimum operational strategy. His practical experience is normative evidence to take him at his word for what he concludes is the next step to deal with radicals and reactionaries of political Islam. ..."
"... One paradox that he never solved was his deliberate attempt to frame terrorist as nothing more that organized crime, but at the same respect condemn governments that are "Islamic Republics," whom attempt to enforce the laws as an ineffective solution, and attempting to associate the with the other 1.6 billion Muslims by painting them as "Radical Islam." ..."
When I had heard
in the news that Lt Gen Flynn might be chosen by Donald Trump as his Vice Presidential nominee,
I was quick to do some research on Flynn and came across this work. Having worked in the intelligence
community myself in the past several years, I was intrigued to hear what the previous director
of the DIA had to say. I have read many books on the topic of Islam and I am glad I picked this
up.
The big takeaways from this book is the (1) systemic manipulation of intelligence analysts'
conclusions to fit political narratives (I have personally seen my work modified to "soften" the
message/conclusions for x, y, or z reasons) and (2) Radical Islam is not a new phenomenon that
spawned as a response to "American imperialism" as often preached from the lecterns of western
universities.
If you have formed your opinion of Islam and the nature of the West's fight in the Middle East
on solely what you hear in the main steam media (all sides), you would do well to read this book
as a starting point into self-education on an incredibly complex topic.
There is no love lost between Lt Gen Flynn and President Obama, and Flynn's frustration
with Obama's lack of leadership is clear throughout this work. Usually this political opining
in a work such as this is distracting, but it does add much-needed context to decisions and events.
That said, Lt Gen Flynn did a great job addressing a complex topic in plain language. While this
is not a seminal work on
General Flynn is a career Army combat intelligence officer with extensive hard experience mostly
in the Middle East, a lifetime Democrat, who seems to understand and is able to clearly and concisely
define the threat of Radical Islam (NOT all Islam) far better than both the Bush ("W") and Obama
administrations politicos in Washington were willing to hear or accept.
He supports what he can
tell us with citations. Radical Islam has declared war on Western democracies, most of all on
the US. Its allies include Iran, North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, and others. Their war against us
is a long-term effort, and our politicians (except Trump?) don't want to hear it. We need to demand
that our politicos prepare for this assault and start taking wise, strong steps to defeat it.
Western Europe may already have been fatally infiltrated by "refugees" who will seek to Islamize
it, and current birth rates suggest that those nations will have Muslim majorities in 20 years.
General Flynn details what we must do to survive the assault. I bought the Kindle version and
began reading it, but then paid more for the audible version so that I could get through it faster.
Please buy and read this book!
Looking Inward First, is What Generates the Strategy-Shifting Process. Flynn Gets This. Few
Others Do.
To begin with, I will say that the book is not exactly what one might expect from a recently
retired General. For starters, there were numerous spelling errors, an assortment of colloquialisms
and some instances in which the prose took on a decidedly partisan tone. The means of documenting
sources was something akin to a blog-posting, in that he simply copied and pasted links to pages,
right into the body of the work. I would have liked to have seen a more thoroughly researched
and properly cited work. All of this was likely due to the fact that General Flynn released his
book in the days leading up to Donald J. Trump's announcement of his Vice Presidential pick. As
Flynn is apparently a close national security advisor to Trump, I can understand why his work
appears to be somewhat harried. Nonetheless, I think that the book's timeliness is useful, as
the information it contains might be helpful in guiding Americans' election choices. I also think
that despite the absence of academic rigor, it makes his work more accessible. No doubt, this
is probably one of Mr. Trump's qualities and one that has catapulted him to national fame and
serious consideration for the office he seeks. General Flynn makes a number of important points,
which, despite my foregoing adverse commentary, gives me the opportunity to endorse it as an essential
read.
In the introductory chapter, General Flynn lays out his credentials, defines the problem, and
proceeds to inform the reader of the politically guided element that clouds policy prescriptions.
Indeed, he is correct to call attention to the fact that the Obama administration has deliberately
exercised its commanding authority in forbidding the attachment of the term "Islam" when speaking
of the threat posed by extremists who advocate and carry out violence in the religion's name.
As one who suffered at the hands of the administration for speaking truth to power, he knows all
too well what others in the Intelligence Community (IC) must suffer in order to hold onto their
careers.
In chapter one, he discusses where he came from and how he learned valuable lessons at home
and in service to his country. He also gives the reader a sense of the geopolitical context in
which Radical Islamists have been able to form alliances with our worst enemies. This chapter
also introduces the reader to some of his personal military heroes, as he delineates how their
mentorship shaped his thinking on military and intelligence matters. A key lesson to pay attention
to in this chapter is what some, including General Flynn, call 'politicization of intelligence.'
Although he maintains that both the present and previous administration have been guilty of this,
he credits the Bush administration with its strategic reconsideration of the material facts and
a search for better answers. (He mentions this again in the next chapter on p.42, signifying this
capability as a "leadership characteristic" and later recalls the president's "insight and courage"
on p. 154.)
Chapter two of The Field of Fight features an excellent summary of what transpires in a civil
war and the manner in which Iraqis began to defect from al-Qa'ida and cooperate with U.S. forces.
In this task, he explains for the layperson what many scholars do, but in far fewer pages. Again,
this makes his work more accessible. He also works through the process of intelligence failures
that are, in his opinion, produced by a superordinate policy failure housed in the upper echelons
of the military structure. In essence, it was a misperception (willful or not) that guided thinking
about the cause of the insurgency, that forbade an ability to properly address it with a population-centric
Counterinsurgency (COIN) strategy. He pays homage to the adaptability and ingenuity of General
Stanley McChrystal's Task Force 714, but again mentions the primary barrier to its success was
bureaucratic in nature.
The main thrust of chapter 3, aptly named "The Enemy Alliance," is geared toward tying together
the earlier assertion in chapter regarding the synergy between state actors like Iran, North Korea,
Syria, and the like. It has been documented elsewhere, but the Iranian (non-Arab Shi'a) connection
to the al-Qa'ida (Arab Sunni) terrorist organization can't be denied. Flynn correctly points out
how the relationship between strange bedfellows is not new in the Middle East. He briefly discusses
how this has been the case since the 1970s, with specific reference to the PLO, Iran, Syria, Hamas,
Hezbollah, Bosnia and Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's. He also references President Obama's "curious sympathy"
(p. 92) for enemies in places such as Venezuela and Cuba.
General Flynn then reminds readers of some facts that have either been forgotten, or virtually
unknown, by most Americans. Namely, the role that Saddam Hussein actually played with regard to
the recruitment of foreign terrorists, the internal policies of appeasement for Islamists in his
army and the support he lent to Islamists in other countries (e.g., Egypt, Sudan and Afghanistan).
He also reminds the readers of the totalitarian mindset that consumes Islamist groups, such as
al-Qa'ida and the Islamic State. All the while, and in contrast to what his detractors might opine,
General Flynn is speaking of Radical Islam as a "tribal cult," and not taking aim at the religion
itself. This chapter is perhaps the most robust in the book and it is the sort of reading that
every American should do before they engage in conversations about the nature of political Islam.
Chapter four is a blueprint for winning what used to be called the 'global war on terror.' Although
such a phraseology is generally laughed at in many policy circles, it is clear, as General Flynn
demonstrates, that some groups and countries are locked in combat with us and our partners in
the West. Yet, as he correctly points out, the Obama administration isn't willing to use global
American leadership in order to defeat those who see us, and treat us, as their collective enemy.
General Flynn's prescription includes four strategic objectives, which I won't recite here, as
I'm not looking to violate any copyright laws. The essence of his suggestions, however, starts
with an admission of who the enemy is, a commitment to their destruction, the abandonment of any
unholy alliances we have made over the years, and a counter-ideological program for combating
what is largely an ideologically-based enemy strong suit. He points to some of the facts that
describe the dismal state of affairs in the Arab world, the most damning of which appear on pages
127-128, and then says what many are afraid to say on page 133: "Radical Islam is a totalitarian
political ideology wrapped in the Islamic religion." Nonetheless, Flynn discusses some of the
more mundane and pecuniary sources of their strength and the means that might be tried in an effort
to undermine them.
The concluding chapter of General Flynn's work draws the reader's attention to some of the works
of others that have been overlooked. He then speaks candidly of the misguided assumptions that,
coupled with political and bureaucratic reasons, slows adaptation to the changing threat environment.
Indeed, one of the reasons that I found this book so refreshing is because that sort of bold introspection
is perhaps the requisite starting point for re-thinking bad strategies. In fact, that is the essence
of both the academic and practical work that I have been doing for years. I highly recommend this
book, especially chapter 3, for any student of the IC and the military sciences.
It's ironic that the general wrote about Pattern Analysis, when DIA in late-1971 warned that
the Ho Chi Minh Trail was unusually active using this technique.
The general's comments on human intelligence and interrogation operations being virtually nonexistent
makes one wonder if all the Lessons Learned that are written after every conflict and stored away
are then never looked at again - I suspect it's true.
My unit, the 571st MI Detachment of the 525th MI Group, ran agents (HUMINT) throughout I Corps/FRAC
in Vietnam. The Easter Offensive of 1972 was actually known and reported by our unit before and
during the NVA's invasion of the South. We were virtually the only intelligence source available
for the first couple of weeks because of weather. Search the internet for The Easter Offensive
of 1972: A Failure to Use Intelligence.
At a time when so much is hanging in the balance, General Flynn's book plainly
lays out a strategy for not only fighting ISIS/ISIL but also for preventing totalitarianism from
spreading with Russia, North Korea and Cuba now asserting themselves - again.
Sadly, because there is some mild rebuke towards President Obama, my fear is people who should
read this book to gain a better understanding of the mind of the jihadist won't because they don't
like their president being called out for inadequate leadership. But the fact remains we are at
war with not just one, but several ideologies that have a common enemy - US! But this book is
not about placing blame, it is about winning and what it will take to defeat the enemies of freedom.
We take freedom for granted in the West, to the point where, unlike our enemies, we are no
longer willing to fight hard to preserve those freedoms. General Flynn makes the complicated theatre
of fighting Radical Islam easier to understand. His experience in explaining how we can and have
won on the battlefield gives me great comfort, but also inspires me to want to help fight for
the good cause of freedom.
My sincerest hope is that both Trump and Clinton will read this book and then appoint General
Flynn as our next Defense Secretary!
I totally concur with Lt. General, Michael T. Flynn, US Army, (ret), that any solution to "Radical
Islamic Terrorism" today has to also resolve the ideology issue, along side the other recommendations
that he discusses in his book. All of the radical fighting that has taken place in the world,
ever since the beginning evolution of the Islamic religion over 1400 years ago, has revolved around
radical interpretations of the Qur'an.
Until there is an Islamic religious reformation, there
will never be a lasting resolution to the current "Radical Islamic Terrorist" problem. It is a
religious ideology interpretation issue. Until that interpretation is resolved within the Islamic
world, there will always be continuing radical interpretation outbreaks, from within the entire
Islamic world, against all other forms of non-Islamic religions and their evolving cultures.
If
you require further insight, recommend you read " Heretic, Why Islam Needs a Reformation Now"
, by Ayaan Hirisi Ali. DCC
Provocative, bellicose, rhetorical, and patriotic, the author leaves the
reader wondering if his understanding of the enemy is hubris or sagacity. Much of that confusion
can be attributed to conditioning as a an American and seeing prosecution of American wars as
apolitical and astrategic. General Flynn's contribution to the way forward, "Field of Fight" is
certainly political and at a minimum operational strategy. His practical experience is normative
evidence to take him at his word for what he concludes is the next step to deal with radicals
and reactionaries of political Islam.
One paradox that he never solved was his deliberate attempt to frame terrorist as nothing more
that organized crime, but at the same respect condemn governments that are "Islamic Republics,"
whom attempt to enforce the laws as an ineffective solution, and attempting to associate the with
the other 1.6 billion Muslims by painting them as "Radical Islam."
As if there is any relationship
to relationship to Islam other than it is the predominant religion in a majority of the area where
they commit their criminal activity. As if the political war with terrorist is a function of a
label that is of itself a oversimplification of the issues. Indeed, suggesting it is a nothing
more than 'political correctness" and ignoring the possibility that it might be a function of
setting the conditions in an otherwise polygon of political justice. This argument alone is evidence
of the his willingness to develop domestic political will for war with a simple argument. Nevertheless,
as a national strategy, it lacks the a foundational argument to motivate friendly regional actors
who's authority is founded on political Islam.
In 2008 a national election was held and the pyrrhic nature of the war in Iraq adjudicated
via the process of democratic choice that ended support for continued large scale conventional
occupation. That there is some new will to continue large scale conventional occupation seems
unlikely, and as a democratic country, leaders must find other means to reach the desired end
state, prosecuting contiguous operations to suppress, neutralize, and destroy "ALL" who use terrorism
to expand and enforce their political will with a deliberate limited wars that have methodological
end states. Lastly, sounding more like a General MacArther, the General Flynn's diffuse strategy
seems to ignore the most principles of war deduced by Von Clausewitz and Napoleon: Concentration
of force on the objective to be attacked. Instead, fighting an ideology "Radical Islam" seems
more abstract then any splatter painting of modern are in principle form it suggests a commitment
to simplicity to motivate our nation to prepare for and endure the national commitment to a long
war.
Since we can all agree there is no magical solution, then normative pragmatism of the likes
that General. Flynn's assessment provides, must be taken into account in an operation and tactical
MDMP. Ignoring and silencing Subject Matter Experts (SME's) will net nothing more than failure,
a failure that could be measured in innocent civilian lives as a statistical body count. I could
see General Flynn's suggestions and in expertise bolstering a movement to establish a CORP level
active duty unit to prepare, plan, and implemented in phases 0, IV, & V (JP 5-0) . Bear in mind,
Counter Insurgency (COIN) was never considered a National strategy but instead at tactical strategy
and at most an operational strategy.
Several times in its nearly 250 years of existence our Nation has been at
a crossroads. Looking back on our War for Independence, the Civil War, and WWII we know the decisions
made in those tumultuous times forever altered the destiny of our Republic.
We are once again at one of those crossroads where the battle lines have been drawn, only this
time in an asymmetrical war between western democracy and the radical Islamists and nation states
who nurture them. In his timely book Field of Fight, Lt. General Michael T. Flynn provides a unique
perspective on this war and what he believes are some of the steps necessary to meet this foe.
Field of Fight begins as an autobiography in which the author gives you a sense of who he is
as a man and a soldier. This background information then provides the reader with a better perspective
through which to evaluate his analysis of the challenges we face as well as the course of action
he believes we need to take to meet those challenges.
The following are a few of the guidelines General Flynn proposes for developing a winning strategy
in our war with radical Islam and other potential foes:
1. Properly assess your environment and clearly define your enemy;
2. Face reality – for politicians, this is never an easy thing to do;
3. Understand the social context and fabric of the operational environment;
4. Recognize who's in charge of the enemy's forces.
In Field of Fight General Flynn makes the case that we are losing this war with radical Islam
because our nation's leadership has failed to develop a winning strategy. Further he opines that
our current leaders lack the clarity of vision and moral certitude that understands American democracy
is a "better way", that not all forms of human government are equal, and that there are principled
reasons worth fighting for - the very basic of those being, "life, liberty and the pursuit of
happiness."
I'll admit I'm concerned about the future of our country. As a husband and a father of five
I wonder about the world we leaving for our children to inherit. I fear we have lost our moral
compass thus creating a vacuum in which human depravity as exemplified by today's radical Islamists
thrives.
Equally concerning to me is what happens when the pendulum swings the other way. Will we have
the moral and principled leaders to check our indignation before it goes too far? When that heart
rending atrocity which is sure to come finally pushes the American people to white hot wrath who
will hold our own passions in check? In a nation where Judeo-Christian moral absolutes are an
outdated notion what will keep us from becoming that which we most hate?
As I stated at the start of this review, today we are at a crossroads. Once again our nation
needs principled men and women in positions of leadership who understand the Field of Fight as
described by General Flynn and have the wisdom and courage to navigate this battlefield.
* * *
In summary, although I don't agree with everything written in this book I found it to be an
educational read which will provided me with much food for thought over the coming months. As
a representative republic choosing good leadership requires that we as citizens understand the
problems and challenges we face as a nation. Today radical Islam is one of those challenges and
General Flynn's book Field of Fight: How We Can Win the Global War Against Radical Islam and Its
Allies gives a much needed perspective on the subject.
Gen Flynn has been in the news a lot lately. He apparently did not get on well in DC with his
views on fighting terrorism. That is very relevant now as we are seeking better ways to fight
ISIS and terror in general. I read his book today to learn what is on his mind. Flynn had a lot
of experience starting in the 82nd Airborne and was almost always in intelligence work. Army intelligence
is narrowly focused - where is the enemy, how many of them are there, how are they armed and what
is the best way to destroy them. Undoubtedly he was good at this. However, that is not the kind
of intelligence we need to defeat ISIS. Flynn's book shows no sign of cultural awareness, which
is the context by which we must build intelligence about our opponent. In Iraq, he did learn the
difference between who was Sunni and who was Shia but that was it. He shows no sign of any historical
knowledge about these groups and how they think and live. In looking at Afghanistan, he seems
unaware of the various clans and languages amongst different people. The 2 primary languages of
Afghanistan are Pashto and Dari. Dari is essentially the same as Farsi, so the Persian influence
has been strong in the country for a long time. Flynn seems totally unaware. Intelligence in his
world is obtained from interrogation and captured documents. They are processed fast and tell
him who their next target should be. This kind of work is not broad enough to give him a strategic
background. He sees USA's challenges in the world as a big swath of enemies that are all connected
and monolithic. North Korea, China, Iran, Russia, Syria, ISIS, and so forth. All need to be dealt
with in a forceful manner. He never seems to think about matching resources with objective.
This monlithic view of our opponents is obviously wrong. Pres George W Bush tried it that way
with the Axis of Evil. The 1950's Cold War was all built in fear of the monolithic Soviet Union
and China. All these viewpoints were failures.
Flynn does not see it though. In the book, Flynn says invading Iraq in 2003 might have been the
wrong choice. He would have invaded Iran. The full Neocon plan was for 7 countries in 5 years,
right after knocking down Iraq, then we would do the same to Iran. I hope we have lost a lot of
that hubris by now. But with poor vision by leaders like Flynn, we might get caught up again in
this craziness.
To beat ISIS and Al Qaeda type groups we need patience and allies. We have to dry up the source
of the terrorists that want to die. That will be done with a combination of cultural outreaches
as well as armed force.
I am sure the Presidential candidates will both see that Flynn does not have that recipe. Where
is a General that does? We have often made this mistake. Sixty Six years ago, we felt good that
Gen Douglas MacArthur "knew the Oriental mind" and he would guid us to victory in Korea. That
ended up as a disaster at the end of 1950. I think we are better off at working with leaders that
understand the people that are trying to terrorize us. Generals don't develop those kinds of empathic
abilities.
95% or more of the individuals Trump is considering for his administration, including those
already picked have a deep-seated obsession with Iran. This is very troubling. It's going to lead
to war and not a regular war where 300,000 people die. This is a catastrophic error in judgment
I don't give a sh...t who makes such an error, Trump or the representative from Kalamazoo! This
is so bad that it disqualifies whatever else appears positive at this time.
And one more deeply disturbing thing; Pompeo, chosen to head the CIA has threatened Ed Snowden
with the death penalty, if Snowden is caught, and now as CIA Director he can send operatives to
chase him down wherever he is and render him somewhere, torture him to find out who he shared
intelligence with and kill him on the spot and pretend it was a foreign agent who did the job.
He already stated before he was assigned this powerful post that Snowden should be brought back
from Russia and get the death penalty for treason.
Pompeo also sided with the Obama Administration on using U. S. military force in Syria against
Assad and wrote this in the Washington Post: "Russia continues to side with rogue states
and terrorist organizations, following Vladimir Putin's pattern of gratuitous and unpunished affronts
to U.S. interests,".
That's not all, Pompeo wants to enhance the surveillance state, and he too wants to tear up
the Iran deal.
Many of you here are extremely naïve regarding Trump.
b's speculation has the ring of truth. I've often wondered if Trump was encouraged to run
by a deep-state faction that found the neocons to be abhorrent and dangerous.
Aside: I find those who talk about "factions" in foreign policy making to be un-credible.
Among these were those that spoke of 'Obama's legacy'. A bullshit concept for a puppet.The
neocons control FP. And they could only be unseated if a neocon-unfriendly President
was elected.
Trump is turning animosity away from Russia and toward Iran. But I doubt that it will result
in a shooting war with Iran. The 'deep-state' (arms industry and security agencies) just wants
a foreign enemy as a means of ensuring that US govt continues to fund security agencies and
buy arms.
And really, Obama's "peace deal" with Iran was bogus anyway. It was really just a
placeholder until Assad could be toppled. Only a small amount of funds were released to Iran,
and US-Iranian relations have been just as bad as they were before the "peace deal". So all
the hand-wringing about Trump vs. Iran is silly.
What is important is that with Iran as the nominal enemy du jour plus Trump's campaign
pledge to have the "strongest" military (note: every candidate was for a strong military),
the neocons have no case to make that Trump is weak on defense.
And so it is interesting that those that want to undermine Trump have resorted to the claim
that he is close to Jews/Zionists/Israel or even Jewish himself. Funny that Trump wasn't
attacked like that before the election, huh?
The profound changes and profound butt-hurt lead to the following poignant questions:
>> Have we just witnessed a counter-coup?
>> Isn't it sad that, in 2016(!), the only
check on elites are other elite factions? An enormous cultural failure that has produced a
brittle social fabric.
>> If control of NSA snooping power is so crucial, why would ANY ruling block ever allow
the another to gain power?
Indeed, the answer to this question informs one's view on whether the anti-Trump
protests are just Democratic Party ass-covering/distraction or a real attempt at a 'color
revolution'.
"... Why doesn't the White House just shut the fuck up ..."
"... And as one of its sources, dear old Aunty BBC quotes "a volunteer with the White Helmets Civil Defence force" who told the AFP news agency that he had "never heard such intense artillery bombardments". ..."
"... Recycling the same bullshit as used to justify the first Iraq war. Every time there is a war, babies are trotted out to justify escalation and slaughter. By the million. This baby ploy works on the suckers every time... ..."
Premature babies in Aleppo have been removed from their incubators after air strikes destroyed
hospitals across the city, prompting condemnation of the Syrian government and Russia by the US
and the UN.
Harrowing video footage shows tiny babies being removed from their incubators in a smoke-filled
ward, with nurses reduced to tears as they detach the tubing providing support and wrap the babies
in blankets.
Now where have I heard a similar story before? .
Why doesn't the White House just shut the fuck up or, failing that, send a drone flying off
to Moscow so as to zap the Evil One and any bystanders in his vicinity?
"The Syrian regime and its allies, Russia in particular, bear responsibility for the immediate
and long-term consequences these actions have caused in Syria and beyond" - said Susan Rice, of
course.
And as one of its sources, dear old Aunty BBC quotes "a volunteer with the White Helmets Civil
Defence force" who told the AFP news agency that he had "never heard such intense artillery bombardments".
Aleppo must be one of the most intensely scrutinized area on earth – drones, satellites, radars
and electronic sensors of every type by both US and Russia. Yet, the DOS (Department of Shit?)
exclusively relies on the "Observer" dude in London and other miscreants for their claims of sinister
Russian air strikes. The DOS needs a 'tard wrangler for these various groups.
The other possibility is that Russia has perfected stealth on every wavelength including visible
light and have zero-noise jet engines.
Recycling the same bullshit as used to justify the first Iraq war. Every time there is a war,
babies are trotted out to justify escalation and slaughter. By the million. This baby ploy works
on the suckers every time...
"... "I'm thinking that Donald Trump seems a realistic and a pragmatist man," retired Gen. Ilker Basburg, a former chief of staff of the Turkish military, told reporters Wednesday. "I think he will open a direct link with the central Syrian government." ..."
"... However, Trump has said the main U.S. goal in Syria is the defeat of the Islamic State group and not the future of the Syrian government. He said the ouster of Arab strongmen in Egypt, Yemen and Libya have served to destabilize the Middle East and led to the rise of Islamic extremists. ..."
"... On Wednesday, Erdogan announced Turkish-backed forces were close to retaking al-Bab, a city about 20 miles east of Aleppo, from the Islamic State group. Turkey believes the capture of al-Bab as strategically important because it keeps Kurdish forces from taking it and consolidating their territory in northern Syria along the Turkish border. ..."
A former top Turkish general said Donald Trump's election could hasten the end of the Syrian
civil war by opening the door to negotiations with the Syrian government of President Bashar
Assad.
"I'm thinking that Donald Trump seems a realistic and a pragmatist man," retired Gen. Ilker
Basburg, a former chief of staff of the Turkish military, told reporters Wednesday. "I think he
will open a direct link with the central Syrian government."
The United States and Turkey have demanded that Assad step down as part of any agreement to end
the five-year Syrian war.
However, Trump has said the main U.S. goal in Syria is the defeat of the Islamic State group
and not the future of the Syrian government. He said the ouster of Arab strongmen in Egypt, Yemen
and Libya have served to destabilize the Middle East and led to the rise of Islamic extremists.
Basburg's views do not reflect those of the Turkish government of Recep Tayyip Erdogan. In
fact, Basburg was imprisoned for life in 2013 for conspiring against the Turkish government but
the courts overturned the conviction in 2014.
Nevertheless, Basburg said Turkey's interests in Syria have evolved since the war began in 2011,
in large part because of the role of Kurdish militants, whom the Turks consider an enemy. But the
Kurds are supported by the United States, Turkey's longtime ally. Turkey was alarmed when a
Kurdish-dominated rebel alliance seized the border city of Manbij from the Islamic State group.
On Wednesday, Erdogan announced Turkish-backed forces were close to retaking al-Bab, a city
about 20 miles east of Aleppo, from the Islamic State group. Turkey believes the capture of al-Bab
as strategically important because it keeps Kurdish forces from taking it and consolidating their
territory in northern Syria along the Turkish border.
Basburg said Turkey's top concern is having a secure border with Syria. With the United States
and Turkey re-evaluating their interests in Syria, he was optimistic a new administration "will
make some different policy."
"We have to work with [the current Syrian] government. Today, [it's] Assad. Tomorrow, somebody
else might be head of the government," he said.
Basburg also said Russia and Iran would also need to be involved in the negotiations.
"Turkey and the United States have been old friends," Basburg said, but U.S. ties to the Kurdish
forces have led to questions about that relationship.
ALEPPO, Syria - In the midst of sectarian violence that has overtaken Syria for more than five
years, nine-year-old Asil Kassab is shocked by the defeat of Democratic presidential candidate
Hillary Clinton.
"I am so unhappy that a woman was not elected President," Asil said, briefly ducking as a bomb
from an American MQ-1 Predator drone leveled the hospital behind her. "Hillary Clinton is truly a
role model for young girls like me. I was so hoping that she'd be the one to order the drone
strike that would inevitably end my life."
Despite Clinton's support for regime change in Syria, leading to what is arguably one of the
greatest humanitarian crises of the early century, Kassab surprisingly says she holds no ill
will.
"I don't put much stock in the misogynist agenda of American politics," said Kassab, who, like
many children, cannot remember a time before the war that has killed 400,000 people, including
her family, and created over 4.7 million refugees. "People will always criticize her because she
is a woman in a man's world; One who has the audacity to run for President."
"It is sexism that motivates her critics, plain and simple," she added. "It is sexism, and
racism, that caused her to lose the election!"
"... We are talking factories, not mere workshops, more specifically the plants for the production of all sorts of rather serious means of mass destruction. Clearly, this is a well-established industrial production, these are the targets for today's strikes. And they will continue. ..."
Russian Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft-carrying cruiser has begun combat operations in Syria,
Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said Tuesday.
"Today, we started a major operation to launch massive strikes on Daesh and al-Nusra Front
targets in the Idlib and Homs provinces [in Syria]," Shoigu said at Russian President Vladimir
Putin's meeting with the ministry's leadership and defense enterprises.
Russian Admiral Grigorovich frigate targeted terrorists in Syria with Kalibr cruise missile
strikes, Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said Tuesday.
The NGO faux whining about Aleppo will increase but in a few months they may lose their chief
audience and facilitator.
At a meeting between Russian President Vladimir Putin and the top leadership of the Russian
Armed Forces, Shoigu said the following:
Today at 10:30 and 11:00 we launched a large-scale operation against the positions of Islamic
State and Al-Nusra [terrorist groups] in the provinces of Idlib and Homs.
The main targets of the strikes are warehouses with ammunition, [terrorist] gatherings and
terrorist training centers, as well as plants for the production of various kinds of weapons
of mass destruction.
We are talking factories, not mere workshops, more specifically the plants for the production
of all sorts of rather serious means of mass destruction. Clearly, this is a well-established
industrial production, these are the targets for today's strikes. And they will continue.
I was one of the millions of people that believed in you. Believed what you said. Heard you.
You got "hired" by 60 MILLION people. WE are your boss. YOU BECAME THE EMPLOYEE.
Something you are not used to.
I myself convinced nearly 20 people to vote for you over these last two years. Know what I
said?
"He's NOT a politician. He's a business man. He's an outsider – something Washington, D.C.
SORELY needs. He's NOT the same 'business as usual' guy. Mr. Trump will change things for the
better in Washington. Clean it up. Make peace with Russia – not war. Trump is a BUILDER – not
a destroyer. He'll negotiate FAIR deals with countries. Install sensible immigration policies.
Reverse the stranglehold on health care policies that have bankrupted millions." I made them see
how biased the media was against you. How they lied by omission – and sometimes outright lied
about you. (To a person, they NO LONGER WATCH, TRUST, OR HEED the media anymore.)
He'll change the culture of Washington – because that's EXACTLY WHAT IT NEEDS. CHANGE."
Washington has become a den of vipers. Self-enriching criminals that have sucked the life blood
out of US – YOUR EMPLOYERS . The phrase; "You're FIRED" must be repeated often to MANY people
over the next few years. People that have engorged themselves because of the previous employees,
who have mismanaged the nation, and lied to it's people.
Your very words from your speeches that convinced us to hire you. Your platform. Your slogans;
"Make America Great Again." "I'll take back this country for you".
You said that to 60 MILLION of us – and we hired you based on it.
We hired you because we're SICK AND TIRED OF CAREER POLITICIANS. We hired you because we are
sick of the GREED, DUPLICITY, THE CORRUPTION of Congress and the past administrations that have
enriched the elite, while robbing from the American taxpayer.
Already, the public has noticed that you have had a LOT of the old-guard/same ol' same ol'
Republican Washington "insiders" advising you. We understand that you will need some guidance
in the first few months. All "apprentices" do.
However, we, as your employers, will NOT TOLERATE THE SAME OL' SAME OL' ANYMORE.
We hired YOU to do the right THINGS. "Drain The Swamp" "Take Our Country BACK".
Commencing January 21, 2017, that's exactly what we demand of you – our new employee.
WE WILL WANT RESULTS. ACTIONS. CHANGE.
WE WILL WANT INVESTIGATIONS. ARRESTS. PROSECUTIONS OF THE PEOPLE THAT WRONGED THIS NATION.
STOLE FROM IT. CORRUPTED IT. DAMAGED IT.
Just like you monitored your "apprentices", and judged them on their performances, WE ARE JUDGING
YOU. And we are NOT going to be fooled, like the oppositions legions were and are; by a biased
media that lies to them. No one is going to get a "pass" anymore. Especially like your immediate
predecessor.
That's over.
On January 21, 2017, your official duties commence.
it was just yesterday that I had posted the following to a friend... very similar.
I know, well the Internet people that elected him may and can put tremendous pressure on him
to do the right thing... And I expect that to happen...I expect the people to demand through social
media that they keep their promises and that they do what they are told by the people that elected
them.....can you imagine the damage that could happen if the trump supporters starting to Diss
him because he didn't do what he was told by the people that elected him.
I think in the very near future countries will be run by the people of the country via the
Internet where everybody's voice counts and the people that want to share their voice will be
the actual leaders of the country and the people that want to watch sports and stick their head
in the sand will be sheeple.
I think referendums will be a much more common item
I wrote that in the hopes that someone on the "TTT" (Trump Transition Team) reads it, and maybe,
maybe, shows Trump himself.
We all know he trolls different sites - and I'll bet he trolls ZH.
I agree with you; the "internet people" elected him. The "alt-right" (which IS the new media)
elected him.
If we had no internet, and had to rely on the MSM, Clinton would have been elected.
Or worse.
But they are now the "old guard ". It is funny....sickening...and sad to watch them flail away
like they have relevancy -
THEY don't.
In a big way, this election was a wake up call to THEM (like the NYT piece on here shows),
to clean up THEIR act.
NO MORE business as usual. CFR meets and Washington insider parties of poo.
I actually DID convince 18 people to switch from Clinton to Trump (really, it was 12 from Cruz/Bush/Sanders,
and 6 outright flip Clinton to Trump).. and ALL of them HAD been a daily staple of watching the
MSM.
Getting them to stop was akin to getting a smoker off cigarettes. Some still do - but they
NOW know how the MSM LIES.
(One way I showed them? A tape on YouTube of 60 Minutes "editing techniques", linked below,
which REALLY opened some eyes)
The video embedded in this thread - when Ann Coulter was on Bill Maher and got mocked for her
backing Trump - in several instances - was me in 2014 and 2015. I got laughed at by many for coming
out for Trump back then.
However, what I wrote is true. I literally changed 18 people into Trump supporters from then
to now.
The reasons are many - but the MAIN one is;
I'm. PISSED. OFF.
I'm angry as to the mis-management, lies and over-regulation that has killed the little guy
in businesses. I'm angry as to the lies and deceit from the bought of main stream media. A whole
LOT of other reasons as well.
I am giving free reign for anyone here to re-post this on ANY internet forum they want; Brietbart,
Drudge, and ANY online newspaper comment op-ed section they wish.
I only am a commenter here. I choose not to become one on any other forum.
Please copy and paste it anywhere you'd like.
I'm just a little guy. A "peon". However, I did work hard for Trump. I expect no compensation.
No recognition.
I DO expect Trump however - to DO WHAT he said. As a political outsider.
I am concerned as to the vipers, old guard Washington insiders, and of course, the Deep State
- along with Israel - getting to Trump.
WE didn't elect them. We elected HIM.
So please - have at it. Post away.
I hope my post inspires others to do their own "Apprentice" type open letters to Trump.
He needs to hear from us (and I bet he does troll ZH and other finanical sites.)
WikiLeaks series on deals involving
Hillary Clinton campaign Chairman John Podesta. Mr Podesta is a long-term associate of the Clintons
and was President Bill Clinton's Chief of Staff from 1998 until 2001. Mr Podesta also owns the
Podesta Group with his brother Tony, a major lobbying firm and is the Chair of the Center for
American Progress (CAP), a Washington DC-based think tank.
globinfo freexchange
A letter under the title "Stay out of Syria" from
Jon Soltz
, an Iraq War Veteran and founder
of VoteVets.org, to John Podesta in May, 2013, confirms the multiple, serious warnings that the
Clinton/Podesta complex
had received about
the implications of the US involvement on Syrian mess.
Soltz's warnings couldn't be more clear. He points that "
arming
and training the Syrian rebels is a misguided and dangerous idea
" and that he helped to train
the Iraqi Army, and "
their concern is that many of the anti-Assad forces are the same terrorists
they've fought before and who continue to target them
". He also writes that "
there is no
winning scenario when we get involved in other nations' civil wars and proxy wars
".
Most important parts of the short letter:
Earlier this week, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee
voted 15-3 in favor of arming and training the Syrian rebels. This is a misguided and dangerous
idea. I helped to train the Iraqi Army during my second tour, and their concern is that
many
of the anti-Assad forces are the same terrorists they've fought before and who continue to target
them
. Plus, as Senator Tom Udall noted,
once we introduce weapons, we have zero control
over them
. The United States "could turn over the weapons we're talking about and next day
they end up in the hands of al-Qaida." Three Senators voted against the bill in committee, but
we need you to send a strong message to the other 97 that you oppose intervention in Syria's civil
war.
Moreover,
there is no winning scenario when we get involved
in other nations' civil wars and proxy wars
. On this point, Senator Chris Murphy said it best:
"We have failed over and over again in our attempts to pull the strings of Middle Eastern politics."
Let's not make the same mistake again.
Full letter:
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/59165
Recall that, another letter from Clinton email
series, released also by WikiLeaks, proves that
Hillary had been seriously warned about the
oncoming Syrian chaos
,
already since 2011.
Apparently, the Clinton/Podesta complex completely ignored those
serious warnings. Hillary and her team are totally responsible for doing nothing to prevent, or
at least restrict, the Middle East chaos.
The people loyal to the Syrian government
are happy
with Donald Trump winning the U.S. election:
At the passport counter, a Syrian officer's face lit up when he saw an American
traveler.
"Congratulations on your new president!" he exclaimed, giving an energetic thumbs
up. Mr. Trump, he said, would be "good for Syria."
The first significant step of the new administration comes while Trump is not even in
offices. Obama, selfishly concerned with his historic legacy, suddenly makes a 180
degree turn and starts to implement Trump polices. Lets consider the
initial position
:
Asked about Aleppo in an October debate with Clinton, Trump said it was a
humanitarian disaster but the city had "basically" fallen. Clinton, he said, was
talking in favor of rebels without knowing who they were.
The rebels fighting Assad in western Syria include nationalists fighting under the
Free Syrian Army banner, some of them trained in a CIA-backed program, and jihadists
such as the group formerly known as the al Qaeda-linked Nusra Front.
The Obama administration, through the CIA led by Saudi asset John Brennan, fed
weapons, training and
billions of dollars
to "moderate rebels". These then
turned around
(vid) and either gave the CIA gifts to al-Qaeda in Syria (aka Jabhat al Nusra) or joined
it themselves. The scheme was
no secret
at
all
and Russia as well as Syria pointed this out several times. The Russian foreign
Minister Lavrov negotiated with the U.S. secretary of State Kerry who promised to
separate the "moderate rebels" from al-Qaeda. But Kerry never delivered. Instead he
falsely accuse Russia
of committing atrocities that never happened. The CIA kept the
upper hand within the Obama administration and continued its nefarious plans.
That changed the day the president-elect Trump set foot into the White House. While
Obama met Trump in the oval office, new policies, prepared beforehand, were launched.
The policies were held back until after the election and would likely not have been
revealed or implemented if Clinton had won.
The U.S. declared that from now on it
will fight
against al-Qaeda in Syria:
President Obama has
ordered the Pentagon to find and kill the leaders of an
al-Qaeda-linked group in Syria
that the administration had largely ignored
until now and that has been at the vanguard of the fight against the Syrian
government, U.S. officials said.
That shift is
likely to accelerate once President-elect Donald Trump takes
office. ... possibly in direct cooperation with Moscow
.
...
U.S. officials who opposed the decision to go after al-Nusra's wider leadership
warned that the United States would effectively be doing the Assad government's
bidding by weakening a group on the front line of the counter-Assad fight.
...
Defense Secretary Ashton B. Carter and other Pentagon leaders initially resisted the
idea of devoting more Pentagon surveillance aircraft and armed drones against al-Nusra.
Ash Carter is, together with John Brennan, the major anti-Russian force in the Obama
administration. He is a U.S. weapon industry promoter and the anti-Russia campaign,
which helps to sell U.S. weapons to NATO allies in Europe, is largely of his doing. He
saw al-Qaeda in Syria as a
welcome proxy force
against Russia.
But Obama has now shut down that policy. We are not yet sure that this is for good
but the above Washington Post account is
not the
only signal
:
rg the lg | Nov 11, 2016 11:02:07 AM |
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Obama shifting policy is probably to protect his legacy from the reality that the US
promotes chaos as a national goal. It is also a cynical attempt to pre-empt any Trump
induced success in Syria?
The good news is that there is rioting in the
DuhMurriKKKan streets as a consequence of Trump being elected rather than Clinton ...
and all this time we were supposed to be afraid of Trump-ites hitting the streets if
their guy lost. I don't recall anyone suggesting there would be Clintonistas on the
streets if Trump won.
It is telling that the WaPo article emphasizes that "limited" US airstrikes are being
conducted and only after notifying Ru. IOW Putin has established a de facto no-fly
zone. He is now controlling where and when USG flies in Syria.
DTDuck now starts his balancing act; we'll soon know if he's got what it takes to
be a leader. He can't kiss Putin's ass without helping Assad. He can't help Assad and
kiss Bibi's ass. And yet he's already kissing Bibi's ass. Syria is about Yisrael.
Always has been. If DTDuck can come down on both sides of that fence, he's a genius.
And maybe he is. DTDuck has just proven that he doesn't need the MSM or AIPAC's
shekels to get elected. That means the iJews won't be able control him unless they
threaten him and his family physically. He's one dangerous dude as far as Ertz
Yisrael goes. But so was JFK.
I'm quite certain that Obama is playing his "Trump" card as a last-ditch effort to
encourage the Russians to delay their impending (full spectrum) offensive and keep
them off-balance for a few more days/ weeks and thus give his 'Russian quagmire'
dream another 40 winks. According to Al Jazeera, the Yanks are saying that they'll be
restricting the scope of their attacks on 'Terrorist Leaders' in Syria to drone
surveillance and strikes. Al Jaz's reporter was speaking to their Washington
correspondent and one of them (not sure which) mentioned that the US won't be sending
in boots or manned aircraft without the permission of the Syrian Govt. So, if nothing
else, this probably spells the end of any present or future (illegal) military
involvement by AmeriKKKa's Christian allies in Syria.
So imo, overall, it's a crock and a trick - small bikkies with a high risk of
Yankee treachery. If the Yankees were sincere (cough, cough) they'd cooperate
directly with Syria/Russia and agree on who's in charge of the joint mission. And if
the Russians are sincere they'll ask the Yankees to respect Syria's sovereignty and
stay out of Syria.
Inasmuch as the CIA has a very good idea where the leaders of al-Nusrah front are,
this is ostensibly a directive to bomb the CIA Will the US campaign against al-Nusrah
inexplicably fail?
Jack Smith: Clinton won the election. The electoral college overturns the popular
vote of course...unless the electors keep faith with democracy, and vote for the
winner?
A clean up operation maybe? Who knows what kind of dirt those moder...oops terrorist
leaders may have and who they could probably implicate. With Hillary in the white
house, any info that may come from them, could easily go under the carpet as
propaganda. Who knows what Trump could do?
This should make it untenable for the other colonial powers in NATO to keep
supporting AQ as well. So hopefully we have seen the end of any more white helmets
and other propaganda and we won't hear any more from that idiot sitting in his
basement in the UK that all the MSM take as the new messiah of truth. Maybe Ken Roth
will lose his job lose his job to.
@12 The democrats were perfectly fine with the
electoral college when it was going to work for them so they can STFU.
"According to the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Joseph
Dunford, after meeting with his Turkish counterpart, that "The coalition and Turkey
will work together on the long-term plan for seizing, holding and governing Raqqa."
b - please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but are you suggesting those
millions of Saudi/Qatari/Israeli dollars that personally enriched the Clinton's,
funded their private family foundation and bankrolled the DNC machine to anoint ONLY
Queen Clinton BOUGHT the necessary United States influence (CIA, Military, State, WH,
DNC) to ensure U.S. foreign policy 'stay the course no matter the damned
consequences' in Syria? Russia? Ukraine? until November 8 when she was to be crowned?
And now that she and her diabolical neocon pals have lost the opportunity to rip
apart the Middle East the U.S. client states - the Saudi's, Qatari's and Israeli's -
are taking there marbles back and going home b/c the new guy refuses to play their
way?
Might this provocative suggestion also account for the record breaking U.S. arms
sales to the Saudi's and Israeli's this year in preparation for that 'all hell would
break loose WWIII' she, her neocon pals and the Saudi's, Israeli's and Qatari's were
all lusting after.
Might this suggestion also account for Adelson's buying Trump's silence, loyalty
to Israel? We'll see how far Trump goes, but here's a link to his Israeli policy
position pre 11/8 -
http://bit.ly/2fIqhir
(the joint statement is posted at Medium. I posted a bit.ly
link b/c I feared the Medium link would have blown out the thread)
Finally, Giuliani's advice that the FBI investigation into the Clinton Foundation
stay the course when asked about Obama pardoning the almost crowned Queen, make's a
great deal more sense, that is, if I'm reading your underlying suggestion correctly,
b.
P.S. - I can't help but to remain curious why we didn't see more leaked emails
from the Podesta stash between Hillary, John and maybe Obama, but at least Hillary
and John. After all, he kept nearly 60k emails on his gmail account and few that were
released dealt with foreign policy/donors/deals. Maybe a get out of the Ecuadorian
Embassy card is being played? Absolutely delicious if my reading into b's post today
is correct.
Everything potentially happening in Syria now revolves around Turkey and Russia.
Either Erdogan will invade with Turkish troops/armor to carve off his Kurdish buffer
zone/concentration camp in northern Syria, or he won't. Russia will either let them
or it won't.
The Turkmen/Al Zenki FSA head-choppers are over-extended and can't take al Bab (or
ar Raqqa) by themselves anymore. They will either be abandoned (which I don't think
will happen) to die at the hands of the Kurds and SAA, or they'll be reinforced by
the invading Turkish Army to 'finish' the creation of
Turkmeneli
(or as much as they can grab). The U.S. will sit on the sidelines and
watch, with the occasional coalition air strikes to make it look like we still matter
- at least as much as Russia.
Worst case: the Turks abandon the FSA/Al Zenki head-choppers because they don't
want to start WWIII with Russia. The U.S. will turn into Al Zenki's air force and
'support' their land-grabbing. CJTF-OIR commander Townsend will send the 101st to ar
Raqqa and maybe Deir Ez Zor to clean up our mess, but then pull out and abandon Syria
(the WW III thing) to roving gangs of well-armed head-choppers. It will be a
hell-hole of violence, but since no ISIS-held territory will be left on the map,
we'll declare victory and 'Mission: Accomplished!" just like we did in Afghanistan
and Iraq.
Putin: "Do you now realize what you have done?"
Americans: "Huh? Do you mean us? Hey - look over there! SQUIRREL!"
What I DO like about this story is that it's a Golden Opportunity for Vlad to test
Trump's sincerity BEFORE he becomes POTUS. I'd like Russia to start slaughtering
Obama's Ter'rists in Syria, en masse, tomorrow morning. It's a reliable way to find
out how much 'daylight' there is between the Trump Doctrine and the Obama Doctrine -
keeping in mind that this slice of Hopie Changie-ness has nothing whatsoever to do
with President-elect Trump.
@11 Hoarsewhisperer - I think it's unrealistic to expect the US simply to leave
Syria. The loss of face would be appalling, and it's unnecessary. If in fact the US
is coordinating with Russia and Syria, there's no loss of face, and Russia has always
accommodated the US presence in all its public pronouncements, conditional on that
coordination.
I think b's take makes sense - there were two sets of plans on
Obama's desk, and these moves are the Trump set.
There remains that school of thought long speculating that part of the US
"deep state" for lack of a better term, supported Trump as the man to reverse some of
these disastrous policies that simply can no longer win, and which must be walked
back from with as much tough face-saving as possible.
Personally, I'm curious to see what Trump's support turns out to be in the serving
military. Since I'm no expert, I'd like to see analysis one day that shows a war
between the Pentagon and the CIA, with the soldiers winning, and choosing Trump.
"... Islamic State(IS), the defender of Mosul, is a paper tiger, blown out of all proportion by western media. IS is, as this writer has been saying for years, an armed mob made up of 20-something malcontents, religious fanatics, and modern-day anarchists. At its top is a cadre of former Iraqi Army officers with military experience. ..."
"... These former officers of Saddam Hussain are bent on revenge for the US destruction of their nation and the lynching of its late leader. But IS rank and file has no military training, little discipline, degraded communications, and ragged logistics. ..."
"... In fact, today's Islamic State is what the Ottoman Empire used to term, 'bashi-bazouks," a collection of irregular cut-throats and scum of the gutter sent to punish and terrorize enemies by means of torture, rapine, looting and arson. ..."
"... Western and Kudish auxiliary forces have been sitting 1.5 hours drive from Mosul and the IS town of Raqqa for over a year. Instead, western – mainly US – warplanes have been gingerly bombing around these targets in what may be an effort to convince breakaway ISIS to rejoin US-led forces fight the Damascus regime. ..."
"... Note that ISIS does not appear to have ever attacked Israel though it is playing an important role in the destruction of Syria. Some reports say Israel is providing logistic and medical support for IS. ..."
"... The siege of Mosul is being played up by western media as a heroic second Stalingrad. Don't be fooled. IS has only 3-5,000 lightly armed fighters in Mosul and Raqqa, maybe even less. The leaders of IS are likely long gone. IS has few heavy weapons, no air cover at all, and poor communications. Its rag-tag fighters will run out of ammunitions and explosives very quickly. ..."
"... Encircling Mosul are at least 50,000 western-led soldiers, backed by heavy artillery, rocket batteries, tanks, armored vehicles and awesome air power ..."
"... The western imperial forces are composed of tough Kurdish pasha merga fighters, Iraqi army and special forces, some Syrian Kurds, Iranian 'volunteers' irregular forces and at least 5,000 US combat troops called "advisors", plus small numbers of French, Canadian and British special forces. Hovering in the background are some thousands of Turkish troops, supported by armor and artillery ready to 'liberate' Iraq – which was once part of the Ottoman Empire. ..."
As a former soldier and war correspondent who has covered 14 conflicts, I look at all the media hoopla
over tightening siege of Mosul, Iraq and shake my head. This western-organized "liberation" of Mosul
is one of the bigger pieces of political-military theater that I've seen.
Islamic State(IS),
the defender of Mosul, is a paper tiger, blown out of all proportion by western media. IS is, as
this writer has been saying for years, an armed mob made up of 20-something malcontents, religious
fanatics, and modern-day anarchists. At its top is a cadre of former Iraqi Army officers with military
experience.
These former officers of Saddam Hussain are bent on revenge for the US destruction of their
nation and the lynching of its late leader. But IS rank and file has no military training, little
discipline, degraded communications, and ragged logistics.
In fact, today's Islamic State is what the Ottoman Empire used to term, 'bashi-bazouks," a
collection of irregular cut-throats and scum of the gutter sent to punish and terrorize enemies by
means of torture, rapine, looting and arson.
What has amazed me about the faux western war against ISIS is its leisurely nature, lack of élan,
and hesitancy. In my view, ISIS was mostly created by the US and its allies as a weapon to be used
against Syria's government – just as the Afghan mujahadin were used by the US and the Saudis to overthrow
the Soviet-backed Afghan government. Israel tried the same tactics by helping create Hamas in Palestine
and Hezbullah in Lebanon. Both were cultivated to split the PLO.
ISIS is an ad hoc movement that wants to punish the West and the Saudis for the gross carnage
they have inflicted on the Arab world.
Western and Kudish auxiliary forces have been sitting 1.5 hours drive from Mosul and the IS
town of Raqqa for over a year. Instead, western – mainly US – warplanes have been gingerly bombing
around these targets in what may be an effort to convince breakaway ISIS to rejoin US-led forces
fight the Damascus regime.
Note that ISIS does not appear to have ever attacked Israel though it is playing an important
role in the destruction of Syria. Some reports say Israel is providing logistic and medical support
for IS.
The siege of Mosul is being played up by western media as a heroic second Stalingrad. Don't
be fooled. IS has only 3-5,000 lightly armed fighters in Mosul and Raqqa, maybe even less. The leaders
of IS are likely long gone. IS has few heavy weapons, no air cover at all, and poor communications.
Its rag-tag fighters will run out of ammunitions and explosives very quickly.
Encircling Mosul are at least 50,000 western-led soldiers, backed by heavy artillery, rocket
batteries, tanks, armored vehicles and awesome air power
The western imperial forces are composed of tough Kurdish pasha merga fighters, Iraqi army
and special forces, some Syrian Kurds, Iranian 'volunteers' irregular forces and at least 5,000 US
combat troops called "advisors", plus small numbers of French, Canadian and British special forces.
Hovering in the background are some thousands of Turkish troops, supported by armor and artillery
ready to 'liberate' Iraq – which was once part of the Ottoman Empire.
For the US, current military operations in Syria and Iraq are the realization of an imperialist's
fondest dream: native troops led by white officers, the model of the old British Indian Raj. Washington
arms, trained, equips and financed all its native auxiliaries.
The IS is caught in a dangerous dilemma. To be a political movement, it was delighted to control
Iraq's second largest city. But as a guerilla force, it should not have holed up in an urban area
where it was highly vulnerable to concentrated air attack and being surrounded. This is what's happening
right now.
In the mostly flat Fertile Crescent with too few trees, ground forces are totally vulnerable to
air power, as the recent 1967, 1973 Israel-Arab wars and 2003 Iraq wars have shown. Dispersion and
guerilla tactics are the only hope for those that lack air cover.
IS forces would best advised to disperse across the region and continue their hit-and-run attacks.
Otherwise, they risk being destroyed. But being mostly bloody-minded young fanatics, IS may not heed
military logic and precedent in favor of making a last stand in the ruins of Mosul and Raqqa
When this happens, western leaders will compete to claim authorship of the faux crusade against
the paper tiger of ISIS.
This is a excellent interview covering many topics discussed here
regarding ME, USA, geopolitics, Turkeys mission, etc. Its from the Bulgarian perspective.
"Interview conducted by Antoinette Kiselincheva with Boyan Chukov, former adviser on Foreign Policy
and National Security in two governments of the Republic of Bulgaria, former diplomat in Paris and Madrid,
foreign intelligence officer."
"...Q: Does the US seriously they want to deal with DAESH or is it just a show? Because it is funny
to observe how a country which claims to have the most powerful army in the world, lost so much time
in a hopeless effort to chase away a handful of jihadis.
BC: The attack on Mosul can be seen through the prism of globalization. There is another hypothesis.
Do not forget that in June 2014, the city was handed over to the jihadists without a fight. The special
forces of the United States left to the terrorists heavy military equipment, armor, ammunition, some
very badly guarded bases for supply, and half a billion dollars in cash in several banks in Mosul. So
DAESH procured modern weapons and considerable financial resources. Now they are looking for a decorative
victory in Mosul to maintain globalism and Pan-Americanism in the face of Hillary Clinton. This is the
reason to believe information that about 1.2 billion dollars is offered to bribe the leaders of the
jihadists to leave Mosul.
Analysts believe that the goal is not primarily to transfer jihadists from Mosul to Aleppo and Rakka,
but for DAESH fighters to be transferred to northern Afghanistan, where weapons are stored in seven
(again) poorly protected US bases. There are serious suspicions that the US special forces will once
more try to play in Afghanistan, the elegant scheme of June 2014 in Mosul, with the transfer of weapons
in a theatrical way. The placement of DAESH in Afghanistan will allow the jihadists to deploy an offensive
line on Herat-Mara with the task to reaching the port of Turkmenbashi (Krasnovodsk) in Turkmenistan
and to continue their offensive along the Caspian Sea toward Kazakhstan and the Russian Volga region."
US national interest automatically receive a soteriological status (Soteriology – the
notion of salvation through Christ), US universality and value system becomes a
sacred and religious complex,"spiritual obviousness" and a "moral imperative."
I see this 'Christian' emphasis in most all Russian propaganda. Katehon is only the
most obvious of them all. Soteriology is the notion of the salvation of society through
religion, and it was perfected in India, if not invented there, and was adapted to
Thailand, as Christine Gray detailed in
Thailand: The Soteriological State in the 1970s
, in order to enable the exploitation
of the people by the apparatchiks in Bangkok and AC/DC for their distinct purposes.
The collapse of the Syrian state is required by the US to finally trigger chaos in
the Middle East, which the Caliphate will then bring across Eurasia and Europe. This
will allow Washington to eliminate alternative military, political and economic
centers, primarily Russia and China. Consequently by wreaking havoc in Asia and
Africa, and as a result of structures organized by Soros, Europe fell into a very
difficult migrant situation (because of the betrayal of European elites). Further
terrorist acts by jihadists in major European countries, worsened the economic
attractiveness of the European economy. The dollar system in the world, is in
critical condition and can not withstand the debt overload. A war in Syria is a handy
tool to destabilize the American competitors in the economic race. This is why
Beijing out of the role of a neutral observer in the Syrian crisis. In Syria there
are 1000 fighters of the Chinese special forces, pursuing and destroying jihadists of
Uighur origin. An agreement was signed between Damascus and Beijing. Chinese presence
on Syrian territory like that of the Russians and Iranians is in line with
international law.
Stark as it is ... if it looks like a duck ... the peoples of the individual European
nations need to get hold of themselves and exit, or destroy an re-create the EU. It has
been suborned by the USA and they are in the USA'a sights as clearly as are Russia and
China.
No matter which of the 'effective' candidates is elected on Tuesday ... the only
thing that will be communicated by his/her election is the impotence of the US populace
when it comes to reigning in the neo-con putsch there that has brought all this death,
devastation, destruction, and deceit about.
And certainly it is no reach to envision the US destroying Erdogan at this point, and
adding Turkey to it's list of states destroyed in the name of 'democracy and freedom'.
IMO the whole flight crew of the U.S. aircraft along with their three back-end commanders need
to be permanently removed from flying status. And the aircraft's mission liaison at CENTCOM needs
to be reamed as well.
How the US ensures that its weapons and equipment don't
fall into Al-Qa`idah hands
"American and other Western intelligence officials have
expressed concern that some of the more than 100 rebel
formations fighting inside Syria may have ties to Al Qaeda
that they could exploit as security worsens in the country or
after the collapse of the government.... A small number of
CIA officers have been operating secretly in southern
Turkey for several weeks, helping allies decide which Syrian
opposition fighters across the border will receive weapons to
fight the government." * I am assured that the US has a
fool-proof system at hand.
The CIA operatives ask the person
in question: are you with Al-Qa`idah? If the person says no,
he is told: take the weapons and money and run. If he says
yes, he is told: not good. Take the money and weapons and run
but don't use them against us one day, OK?
Weeks before the Obama administration and other Western
nations recognized a new Syrian opposition coalition as "the
legitimate representative" of the Syrian people, Syrian
rebels were receiving training in the use of light and heavy
weapons with the backing of the Jordanian, British and U.S.
governments, participants in the training have told
McClatchy....
By November, another rebel said, the training had expanded
to anti-tank weapons and Stinger anti-aircraft missiles.... *
This is from Raqqah in Syria. * The main square there has
been renamed Prophet Muhammad Square, and a giant flag of
Al-Qa`idah is posted. And do you still need a fortune teller
to tell you how things are going in Syria?
What this article really reveals is that Western media
were deliberately or ignorantly spreading the notion that
Syrian rebels were desperate for arms and ammunition and that
they were getting no external support whatsoever when tons
(literally, tons) of shipments were arriving to them from as
early as 2012.
*
"The groups demanded to raise the prophet's banner - solid
black with 'There is no god but God.' " * Somebody needs to
tell the New York Times that what it calls the "prophet's
banner" is none other than the flag of Al-Qa`idah. What an
informed paper.
I am dying to know this: Who are the "secular opposition
groups supported by the West" who are fighting in Syria? Give
me one name, or one unit? Who?
"The weapons, including automatic rifles, rocket-propelled
grenades and ammunition are funneled mostly across the
Turkish border by way of a shadowy network of intermediaries
overseen mainly by Saudi Arabia and Qatar, American officials
said. Even that limited effort is being revamped in the wake
of evidence that most arms sent to Syrian opposition fighters
are going to hard-line Islamic jihadists, not to the more
secular opposition groups supported by the West." *
"Some Syrians who seek a more secular revolution blame the
lack of Western support for driving the rebellion into the
arms of the extremists". * So if only NATO would bomb Syria
there would be more secularism as in the Islamist state of
new Libya? Where do you get those people?
Until recently, if someone suggested that Al-Qa`idah is
present in Syria, he/she would be accused of being a shabbiha
* for the Assad regime. But when the New York Times says it,
** it becomes true.
"... Though Al Qaeda got the ball rolling on America's revenge wars in the Middle East 15 years ago by killing several thousand Americans and others in the 9/11 attacks, the terrorist group has faded into the background of U.S. attention, most likely because it messes up the preferred "good guy/bad guy" narrative regarding the Syrian war. ..."
"... For instance, the conflict in Aleppo between Syrian government forces and rebels operating primarily under Al Qaeda's command is treated in the Western media as simply a case of the barbaric Assad and his evil Russian ally Vladimir Putin mercilessly bombing what is portrayed as the east Aleppo equivalent of Disney World, a place where innocent children and their families peacefully congregate until they are targeted for death by the Assad-Putin war-crime family. ..."
"... The photos sent out to the world by skillful rebel propagandists are almost always of wounded children being cared for by the "White Helmet" rebel civil defense corps, which has come under growing criticism for serving as a public-relations arm of Al Qaeda and other insurgents. (There also are allegations that some of the most notable images have been staged, like a fake war scene from the 1997 dark comedy, "Wag the Dog.") ..."
"... The new offensive was a strong sign that rebel groups vetted by the United States were continuing their tactical alliances with groups linked to Al Qaeda, rather than distancing themselves as Russia has demanded and the Americans have urged. ..."
"... What the article also makes clear in a hazy kind of way is that Al Qaeda's affiliate, the recently renamed Nusra Front, and its jihadist allies, such as Ahrar al-Sham, are waging the brunt of the fighting while the CIA-vetted "moderates" are serving in mostly support roles. ..."
"... "the vast majority of the American-vetted rebel factions in Aleppo were fighting inside the city itself and conducting significant bombardments against Syrian government troops in support of the Qaeda-affiliated fighters carrying out the brunt of front-line fighting." ..."
"... "offensive have been vetted by the CIA and have received arms from the agency, including anti-tank missiles. … ..."
"... "In addition to arms provided by the United States, much of the rebels' weaponry comes from regional states, like Turkey, Qatar and Saudi Arabia, Mr. Lister said, including truck-borne multiple-rocket launcher systems and Czech-made Grad rockets with extended ranges." ..."
"... In other words, the U.S. government and its allies have smuggled sophisticated weapons into Syria to arm rebels who are operating in support of Al Qaeda's new military offensive against Syrian government forces in Aleppo. By any logical analysis, that makes the United States an ally of Al Qaeda.... ..."
Buried deep inside Saturday's New York Times was a grudging acknowledgement that the U.S.-armed
"moderate" rebels in Syria are using their U.S. firepower to back an Al Qaeda offensive.
A curious aspect of the Syrian conflict – a rebellion sponsored largely by the United States and
its Gulf state allies – is the disappearance in much of the American mainstream news media of references
to the prominent role played by Al Qaeda in seeking to overthrow the secular Syrian government of
Bashar al-Assad.
There's much said in the U.S. press about ISIS, the former "Al Qaeda in Iraq" which splintered
off several years ago, but Al Qaeda's central role in commanding Syria's "moderate" rebels in Aleppo
and elsewhere is the almost unspoken reality of the Syrian war. Even in the U.S. presidential debates,
the arguing between Republican Donald Trump and Democrat Hillary Clinton has been almost exclusively
about ISIS, not Al Qaeda.
Though Al Qaeda got the ball rolling on America's revenge wars in the Middle East 15 years
ago by killing several thousand Americans and others in the 9/11 attacks, the terrorist group has
faded into the background of U.S. attention, most likely because it messes up the preferred "good
guy/bad guy" narrative regarding the Syrian war.
For instance, the conflict in Aleppo between Syrian government forces and rebels operating
primarily under Al Qaeda's command is treated in the Western media as simply a case of the barbaric
Assad and his evil Russian ally Vladimir Putin mercilessly bombing what is portrayed as the east
Aleppo equivalent of Disney World, a place where innocent children and their families peacefully
congregate until they are targeted for death by the Assad-Putin war-crime family.
The photos sent out to the world by skillful rebel propagandists are almost always of wounded
children being cared for by the "White Helmet" rebel civil defense corps, which has come under growing
criticism for serving as a public-relations arm of Al Qaeda and other insurgents. (There also are
allegations that some of the most notable images have been staged, like a fake war scene from the
1997 dark comedy, "Wag the Dog.")
Rare Glimpse of Truth
Yet, occasionally, the reality of Al Qaeda's importance in the rebellion breaks through, even
in the mainstream U.S. media, although usually downplayed and deep inside the news pages, such as
the article * in Saturday's New York Times by Hwaida Saad and Anne Barnard describing a rebel offensive
in Aleppo. It acknowledges:
"The new offensive was a strong sign that rebel groups vetted by the United States were
continuing their tactical alliances with groups linked to Al Qaeda, rather than distancing themselves
as Russia has demanded and the Americans have urged. …
The rebels argue that they cannot afford to shun any potential allies while they are under
fire, including well-armed and motivated jihadists, without more robust aid from their international
backers."
(You might note how the article subtly blames the rebel dependence on Al Qaeda on the lack of
"robust aid" from the Obama administration and other outside countries – even though such arms shipments
violate international law.)
What the article also makes clear in a hazy kind of way is that Al Qaeda's affiliate, the
recently renamed Nusra Front, and its jihadist allies, such as Ahrar al-Sham, are waging the brunt
of the fighting while the CIA-vetted "moderates" are serving in mostly support roles. The Times
reported:
"The insurgents have a diverse range of objectives and backers, but they issued statements
of unity on Friday. Those taking part in the offensive include the Levant Conquest Front, a militant
group formerly known as the Nusra Front that grew out of Al Qaeda; another hard-line Islamist
faction, Ahrar al-Sham; and other rebel factions fighting Mr. Assad that have been vetted by the
United States and its allies."
The article cites Charles Lister, a senior fellow and Syria specialist at the Middle East Institute
in Washington, and other analysts noting that "the vast majority of the American-vetted rebel
factions in Aleppo were fighting inside the city itself and conducting significant bombardments against
Syrian government troops in support of the Qaeda-affiliated fighters carrying out the brunt of front-line
fighting."
Lister noted that 11 of the 20 or so rebel groups conducting the Aleppo "offensive have been
vetted by the CIA and have received arms from the agency, including anti-tank missiles. …
"In addition to arms provided by the United States, much of the rebels' weaponry comes from
regional states, like Turkey, Qatar and Saudi Arabia, Mr. Lister said, including truck-borne multiple-rocket
launcher systems and Czech-made Grad rockets with extended ranges."
The U.S./Al Qaeda Alliance
In other words, the U.S. government and its allies have smuggled sophisticated weapons into
Syria to arm rebels who are operating in support of Al Qaeda's new military offensive against Syrian
government forces in Aleppo. By any logical analysis, that makes the United States an ally of Al
Qaeda....
"... It takes a village of idiots to raise a few more idiots. And that village gets paid. And that cost sink generates more resource and administrative cost sinks. So the nominal costs declared are the tip of a larger boondoggle iceberg. ..."
"... I know this may be too simplistic a question for someone with the brilliance of Hillary Clinton and our current Military leaders, but would someone explain to me why we need to essentially recruit and train people for a civil war? ..."
So if HRC triples that, we will graduate roughly 150 soldiers at the price of 10 million
each, if I'm doing my figures correctly. Maybe they should hire contingent faculty and graduate
students to handle the 101 courses, they might get the same results for cheaper.
If you want to know more about Division 30, as this training program's fighting unit is
called, read the wiki page
, which has some great gems like:
In September 2015, a second group of Division 30 rebels with 12 Toyota pick-up trucks,
medium machine guns and ammunition crossed the Syrian-Turkish border and ended up giving
up much of their weaponry and ammunition to the Al-Nusra Front in order to secure passage
farther into Syria.[13][14]
By the end of September 2015, General Lloyd Austin, head of US Central Command, said
the remaining members of Division 30 were limited in number, "We're talking four or five".
Division 30's current whereabouts are unknown after they allegedly stopped receiving funding
and supplies from the U.S.[3]
I can't even keep track of my coworkers, I have no idea how they can possibly say, "Oh yeah,
there's four or five of them left".
Maybe they should hire contingent faculty and graduate students to handle the 101 courses,
they might get the same results for cheaper.
I'd like to suggest web-based training instead. I mean, we have no problem with remote-controlled
drone assasinations, surely a cost-effective distance learning program isn't too much to ask.
Maybe they should hire contingent faculty and graduate students to handle the 101 courses,
they might get the same results for cheaper
I'd like to suggest web-based training instead. I mean, we have no problem with remote-controlled
drone assassinations. Surely a distance-learning, interactive training curriculum for our designated
freedom fighters isn't too much to ask. Add in a posttest and certification levels and you've
got a Common Core for Democracy.
As I recall from reading Seymour Hersh on this….the program was set up as a replacement
for the CIA's program to supply rebels, but the Pentagon lost the fight, partially on this.
Both programs are still running.
You missed the bit where one of our lovely "moderate" groups released video of beheading
sick children in hospital beds, and that as a result we were planning to "review" our support
of them. I'm sure that "review" is going well, in fact I think they should put McCain in charge
of it, after all he knows these "moderates" personally and was filmed sharing lots of yuks
and high-fives with them.
It takes a village of idiots to raise a few more idiots. And that village gets paid. And
that cost sink generates more resource and administrative cost sinks. So the nominal costs
declared are the tip of a larger boondoggle iceberg.
I know this may be too simplistic a question for someone with the brilliance of Hillary
Clinton and our current Military leaders, but would someone explain to me why we need to essentially
recruit and train people for a civil war?
If this war is one that the people have been driven
to engage in, wouldn't the real problem be picking the best of the multitudes of volunteers
who are dedicated to freeing their country? I seem to remember there being a pretty good number
of people behind the US Civil War, the French Revolution, the Russian Revolution, etc. Sure
there was coercion as well, but that was internal not external. Perhaps their problems is not
the execution of the 'training', but the fact that they are trying to instigate an unwanted
civil war.
Just a thought, but I do think the Press might want to explore that possible aspect. Because
as a betting woman, I'd say the odds are that a whole lot of Americans who have thought about
this have come to the same conclusion I have. This isn't about what SYRIANS want.
"... Hillary has suggested on several occasions publicly that Trump cannot be trusted with the 'Nuclear Codes' because he is erratic and unstable. Now that most people agree that no matter where they came from the Wikileaks is telling the truth we can see how Hillary's own people are scared of her 'mood swings' and her health problems.... ..."
"... She is the one who should not have access to the Nuclear Codes much less be running for President ..."
"... Hillary's own campaign team is waging a war on women. ..."
"... The American media, nothing but despicable State Sycophant Propaganda Ministry runt traitors! ..."
"... Whether Russia is behind it or not is irrelevant. Its not like the USA is an innocent player in hacking other countries. What's of importance is the contents of the emails. Whoever hacked them - if any at all (they were most likely provided by disgruntled DNC insiders) did not alter them (as proven by security checks). HRC, the DNC and her campaign team are deeply corrupt, hence she is unqualified to lead the USA. ..."
"... So here's the REAL story. Amb. Stevens was sent to Benghazi post haste in order to retrieve US made Stinger missiles supplied to Ansar al Sharia without Congressional oversight or permission. Hillary brokered the deal through Stevens and a private arms dealer named Marc Turi. Then some of the shoulder fired missiles ended up in Afghanistan used against our own military. It was July 25th, 2012 when a Chinook helicopter was taken down by one of our own Stingers, but the idiot Taliban didn't arm the missile and the Chinook didn't explode, but had to land anyway. An ordnance team recovered the serial number off the missile which led back to a cache of Stingers being kept in Qatar by the CIA Obama and Hillary were now in full panic mode and Stevens was sent in to retrieve the rest of the Stingers. This was a "do-or-die" mission, which explains the stand down orders given to multiple commando teams. ..."
"... It was the State Dept, not the CIA that supplied them to our sworn enemies, because Petraeus wouldn't supply these deadly weapons due to their potential use on commercial aircraft. Then, Obama threw Gen. Petraeus under the bus after he refused to testify that he OK'd the BS talking points about a spontaneous uprising due to a Youtube video. ..."
"... Obama and Hillary committed treason...and THIS is what the investigation is all about, why she had a private server, (in order to delete the digital evidence), and why Obama, two weeks after the attack, told the UN that the attack was because of a Youtube video, even though everyone knew it was not. Further...the Taliban knew that this administration aided and abetted the enemy without Congressional approval when Boehner created the Select Cmte, and the Taliban began pushing the Obama Administration for the release of 5 Taliban Generals. Bowe Bergdahl was just a pawn...everyone KNEW he was a traitor. ..."
Hillary has suggested on several occasions publicly that Trump cannot be trusted with the 'Nuclear
Codes' because he is erratic and unstable. Now that most people agree that no matter where they came
from the Wikileaks is telling the truth we can see how Hillary's own people are scared of her 'mood
swings' and her health problems....
She is the one who should not have access to the Nuclear
Codes much less be running for President because she also is a Criminal and belongs in Federal
Prison.
This is coded speech microaggression. They are discriminating against her because she is a
woman, implying she is 'moody' you know 'hysterical'... hysterectomy... its sexist, its misogynist
its harassment, its abuse, its hate speech.
Come on Liberal media, where are you ... call it out... this is your bread and butter...
Hillary's own campaign team is waging a war on women.
They did it to Sarah Palin and Barbara Bachman... You know they'd do it if Trump said Hillary
was 'moody'.
The American media, nothing but despicable State Sycophant Propaganda Ministry runt traitors!
Whether Russia is behind it or not is irrelevant. Its not like the USA is an innocent player
in hacking other countries. What's of importance is the contents of the emails. Whoever hacked
them - if any at all (they were most likely provided by disgruntled DNC insiders) did not alter
them (as proven by security checks). HRC, the DNC and her campaign team are deeply corrupt, hence
she is unqualified to lead the USA.
Wikileaks needs to get this out (I have not verified the info sent to me last night):
So here's the REAL story. Amb. Stevens was sent to Benghazi post haste in order to retrieve
US made Stinger missiles supplied to Ansar al Sharia without Congressional oversight or permission.
Hillary brokered the deal through Stevens and a private arms dealer named Marc Turi. Then some
of the shoulder fired missiles ended up in Afghanistan used against our own military. It was July
25th, 2012 when a Chinook helicopter was taken down by one of our own Stingers, but the idiot
Taliban didn't arm the missile and the Chinook didn't explode, but had to land anyway. An ordnance
team recovered the serial number off the missile which led back to a cache of Stingers being kept
in Qatar by the CIA Obama and Hillary were now in full panic mode and Stevens was sent in to
retrieve the rest of the Stingers. This was a "do-or-die" mission, which explains the stand down
orders given to multiple commando teams.
It was the State Dept, not the CIA that supplied them to our sworn enemies, because Petraeus
wouldn't supply these deadly weapons due to their potential use on commercial aircraft. Then,
Obama threw Gen. Petraeus under the bus after he refused to testify that he OK'd the BS talking
points about a spontaneous uprising due to a Youtube video.
Obama and Hillary committed treason...and THIS is what the investigation is all about,
why she had a private server, (in order to delete the digital evidence), and why Obama, two weeks
after the attack, told the UN that the attack was because of a Youtube video, even though everyone
knew it was not. Further...the Taliban knew that this administration aided and abetted the enemy
without Congressional approval when Boehner created the Select Cmte, and the Taliban began pushing
the Obama Administration for the release of 5 Taliban Generals. Bowe Bergdahl was just a pawn...everyone
KNEW he was a traitor.
So we have a traitor as POTUS that is not only corrupt, but compromised...and a woman that
is a serial liar, perjured herself multiple times at the Hearing whom is running for POTUS. Only
the Dems, with their hands out, palms up, will support her. Perhaps this is why no military aircraft
was called in…because the administration knew our enemies had Stingers.
Tim Kaine: "I don't think we can dignify documents dumped by WikiLeaks and just assume that they're
all accurate and true,"
They were confirmed true when John Podesta's Twitter password was distributed in one of the
WikiLeaks email releases and his Twitter account was hijacked the same day by a troll saying,
"Trump 2016! Hi pol". Checkmate b!tch. see more DNC Russian Hacker Pepe
Regular Guy •
12 minutes ago The way they parse words, the Kaine statement still doesn't state the documents
are not accurate. He makes an editorial statement to mislead the listener into thinking there
is some reason to question the facts.
Sounds pretty much like poor temperament to me when you have mood problems. Can we please put
national security on hold for now, we have to check her mood ring. It is imperative for the best
outcome that we check her head space. WOW! That's a real dumb explanation. Maybe if we use the
word mood instead of temperament that will be better than telling people she has health problems
in her head.
Monitoring tweets to see who can get into our walled garden.
Recently, Zerocalcare, one of Italy's best young graphic novelists, whose
politics can be described as anarchist but jokey, Roman but semi-serious, was
denied a visa to attend Comicon in New York. The grounds are that his passport
showed recent travel in Syria and Iraq. Our minders didn't have to read tweets.
They only had to read his most recent book, Kobane Calling, in which he
illustrates a trip by a group of anarchistic Italians to Iraqi Kurdistan and
Rojava in Syria. His analysis of nationalism, religion, and ethnicity is quite
subtle. Plenty of highly amusing uses of Roman dialect, which is known for
"lewdness." Also, many bathroom jokes–but that's an Italian national
characteristic (don't call anyone a stronzo, ne).
Meanwhile, Zerocalcare was also nominated for a Strega Prize last year in
narrative for his graphic novel, Dimentica il Mio Nome, about his mother and
grandmother and their mysterious family. He is the first Italian graphic
novelist to be nominated for one of the major prizes.
Obvious an undesirable alien. Peter Thiel is so much more acceptable, as is
Henry Kissinger.
Notice that Netanyahu is suddenly "mending fences" with Russia. Could
someone have whispered in his ear; "Low yield nuke over Tel Aviv?" It
needn't be Russia directly. Say Hizbullah is 'gifted' a Pakistani warhead
through some devious back channels. America is running a proxy war in Syria.
Nothing says that Russia, or China cannot do something similar.
I see no discussion of spillover effects to Libya's neighbors. Think of the
spillover effects attendant to major chaos in Syria!
Israel doesn't have to worry about a stand up fight with the Syrian
Army. No, they have to worry about small unit and irregular warfare,
inside Israel. That's the kind of spillover a hotted up Syrian "Civil
War" would produce. Say, the Syrians and Russians establish their own
"No Fly Zone" over southern Syria, and enforce it against all comers,
including the Israeli Air Force. Then supply convoys to Hizbullah in
Lebanon would really ramp up. Voila! The Lebanon Israel border heats
up by orders of magnitude.
I am convinced that H Clinton does not understand the forces she wants
to juggle with.
Where in America would you resettle the millions of refuges from the
destruction of Israel?
I respect Juan Cole as a scholar, but his political commentary got so muddled in apologizing for
the Libyan disaster. I wrote him several times about problems in the Sahel, particularly among Tuareg,
resulting from the Libyan invasion, but he wriggled out of it, going to Libya and talking about how
great it was there and otherwise excusing the massacre.
Why suggest a no fly zone in Syria that can't be implemented. It is baffling.
Is it really that baffling? Read her emails. The No Fly Zone was the strategy used to destroy Gaddafi.
It's HRC's telegraph for invasion.
Cole misses that when Wallace asked her if she'd shoot down a Russian plan that violated the no-fly
zone, she dodged.
destabilization
of the Middle East, and to prop up a key ally in Russia's front against US expansionism.
Carolinian
October 21, 2016 at 7:29 pm
Adam Curtis and his limitations–here's a taste from a review of new Beeb documentary
Conversely, Curtis concludes with an assertion of such stunning political puerility that it undermines
almost everything that has gone before. He argues of Putin's involvement in Syria: "The Russians
are still there – and no one really knows what they want." Curtis does not know what "the Russians
want" only because his perceptions have been carefully managed by the western media. Russia has very
obvious strategic interests in being there. Among other things, it is trying to prevent the takeover
of another country on its doorstep by Islamic jihadists, to halt the further destabilization of the
Middle East, and to prop up a key ally in Russia's front against US expansionism.
Perhaps Curtis' limitation is that he's on the BBC. Apparently you aren't allowed to say anything
nice about Russia on Auntie. The review says Curtis also grants too many good intentions to our western
imperial overlords.
'Hypernormalization' also contained false absolutes. However, Curtis is
an artist, in that he has implicit messages contained within juxtapositions
that aren't necessarily consciously constructed. It's valid but inadequate
to criticize parts out of context of the whole piece.
FFS, it was almost their first response! And the fact that they changed the story in less
than 24 hrs, to blame the Afghan security forces instead, tells you the likely source of this story:
their ass.
'The US-led military coalition in Afghanistan issued a statement on Sunday that said US forces
conducted an airstrike at 2:15am local time on Saturday "against insurgents who were directly firing
upon US service members advising and assisting Afghan Security Forces in the city of Kunduz."'
Even as we write this, forces are advancing on Mosul to recapture the city from ISIL: the reason
they can do this is because of U.S. airstrikes and troops. Refugee organizations expect something
like 200,000-700,000 refugees from the city. The city was captured a couple of years ago when 1,000
Daesh fighters routed something like 60,000 defenders, mostly because the defenders weren't strongly
motivated to defend: people in the city now have a counter-assassination resistance against ISIL
executions.
That is our intervention. Our bombs will not kill civilians in the city: the disparate groups
of fighters that we support certainly won't commit the usual atrocities of war: the refugee crisis
will no doubt be handled responsibly and will be fully resourced: when the city is recaptured, the
ISIL fighters will be defeated once and for all and we'll never hear from them again.
The people who support this are crazy. They are insane and I can only talk to them in the jocular
way that you'd talk to people who are suffering from such severe mental illness that there is no
way to rationally convince them that their delusions are not real. But these people have not been
institutionalized: they are running our institutions.
LFC:
Deliberately targeting noncombatants is a clear violation of law and norms, and it cannot
be justified by saying: "well, we have to eliminate the violent rebels in this city, and we've offered
a pause to allow the rebels to leave, but the rebels have declined the offer, and therefore the lives
of the civilians [whether they be 30,000 or 200,000] in the city are of no particular concern to
us, . . .
The laws of war are a very particular and even peculiar species of bullshit. I am not a lawyer,
let alone a military lawyer or specialist in such things, but from casual reading of news reporting,
I think you are actually wrong in the above assertion. Giving a warning and an opportunity for combatants
or civilians to vacate an area actually does open up a broad exception. "Exception" is probably the
wrong term, technically, but in operation, . . . The offering of a warning, a pause and opportunities
to vacate are all the laws of war require, in order to excuse the collateral damage that follows
from combat operations against targets that are believed to shelter enemies among civilians.
One need only ask two questions: How many non-combatants have been killed accidentally as 'collateral
damage'? And how many military commanders have been punished for violating the 'laws of war' for
killing non-combatants? The laws of war usually only apply to the losers. The winners seldom if ever
apply them to themselves.
If you don't see any point in distinguishing between combatants and non-combatants (yes, the lines
are sometimes blurry, but they are often very clear), and if you don't think that intentions are
of any relevance - that is, if you think there's no difference whatsoever, for instance, between
(1) deliberately blowing up a hospital and (2) accidentally bombing a hospital in a culpably negligent
act of misidentification in the middle of a nighttime battle (as happened in a highly publicized
case in Afghanistan a while back), then we can't have a conversation b.c we are operating in different
universes of discourse.
Do I think intentions are relevant? Maybe. Do I think statements of
intention are relevant? Harder. I do not have any reliable way of sorting or confirming actual intentions,
as distinguished from propaganda.
I am afraid we are stuck with this universe of discourse. No one can offer LFC a corridor of safe
flight to a more morally certain world.
In my mind, I keep coming back to that NYT Mag profile of Ben Rhodes, the White House speechwriter
(Deputy National Security Advisor for Strategic Communications) trying to manage U.S. foreign policy
with rapid fire narratives. This is the world we live in. And, yes, it is one where it is not possible
to distinguish between deliberately blowing up a hospital and accidentally in a culpable act of negligence
blowing up a hospital. Not because there are not relevant moral distinctions, but because any story
is built around those putative distinctions without much regard for facts. As Layman points out,
the "information" given out by officials is dictated by a desire to manipulate public perceptions
and deflect criticism and follows a predictable pattern unrelated to facts of a case.
This discourse has become delusive, as Rich P says above. Sarcasm or mockery may be rude, but
appropriate.
I don't think you can grant even this. Belligerents
know full well that they will kill non-combatants with their preferred tactics, but they use those
tactics anyway because 1) they deem it a fair trade off for achieving their objective while reducing
the risk to their own combatants, and 2) they know there is little likelihood they will be called
to account, and if they are they know they can rely on the 'intentions' defense.
This is evident in their responses. Have they bombed a hospital, a school, a bomb shelter, a refugee
center? Well, yes, but it was OK because someone was shooting at them from that place. Have they
killed several hundred members of a wedding party? Well, it seems so, but they were just trying to
kill a few people, and those few were hiding in a wedding party, the dastardly cowards! What else
could they have done?
Bruce W.
No one can offer LFC a corridor of safe flight to a more morally certain world.
Actually
Bruce you are the one who has hopped on the plane to a morally certain world, a world in which it
is never possible to distinguish 'intentions' from 'propaganda' and thus a world in which one can
rest secure in the certainty that judgments, however tentative, should never be attempted.
My phrase, "morally certain world" was poor. It doesn't denote what I meant.
I think an objective
observer, weighing the balance of likelihood, would conclude that the U.S. military targeted the
MSF hospital and most probably did so, because the MSF hospital was only facility in the area where
Taliban fighters could seek sophisticated medical treatment. That the choice of target originated
in the U.S. chain of command was confirmed, so there is no dispute really that this choice was made,
though the motivation and objective have been obscured and can only be surmised. No one was disciplined
specifically for initiating the attack - we know this because no one was named let alone court martialled
and sent to Leavenworth as would be nominally appropriate for such an unauthorized(?) act of murder
and mayhem. The only discipline handed out was essentially administrative and only for the negligence
and general snafus that allowed the rest of the chain of command to execute the attack without objection.
Again, a reasonable and objective observer would wonder whether the initiator of the attack might
not have had a hand in arranging things so that the attack went ahead and wasn't short-circuited
by the ordinary and routine controls put in place to prevent such "mistakes".
Presumably, this balance of likelihood is why the MSF wanted an investigation independent of the
U.S. military's own self-examination.
"Blaming the victim" should not be the primary issue, here, though, of course, in the prolonged
sequence of contradictory explanations in an incident that attracted international attention at the
highest levels, the U.S. did at various times officially claim that the Taliban were firing from
the compound and that the MSF complex was not properly marked. There is no particular reason to think
that the sequence of explanations arrived at anything resembling the truth; only a defensible redoubt
of apologia.
Whether the attack on the MSF hospital in Kunduz constituted a "war crime" isn't the issue I want
to raise either. I think it was a war crime, but the U.S. has a general policy of committing war
crimes while denying that policy, so unless you think denial is itself a singular virtue is, I do
not understand the argument. If the problem is whether Russia is the bad guy and the U.S. is the
good guy, I don't think the U.S. has much the better argument, at least on the face of it. Pretty
much every "bad guy" atrocity in the record books has a corresponding atrocity with an American signature.
Shoot down a passenger airliner? Check. Unprovoked aggressive war? Check. And so on.
The thing that troubles me - the thing I want to draw attention to - is the delusive effect of
letting moral narrative dominate all policy discussion.
In the case of the Kunduz MSF hospital incident, the effect of moral-narrative-domination is that
we do not know who in the U.S. chain-of-command decided MSF should clear out and the MSF hospital
should close down (and people should be killed and maimed to achieve that objective). The civilian
leadership presumably is not willing to own this policy choice, and they are willing to let the military
bear the costs of demoralization, by disciplining, however mildly proportionate to the consequences
for the dead and maimed victims, those in the chain of command responsible for the "negligence" which
was ultimately trotted out as an excuse for "poor performance" (after several other explanations
failed to stymie high-level criticism).
Our American b.s. pretense of righteous conduct is seriously interfering with the political
ability to arrive at a deliberately chosen policy likely to achieve strategically chosen objectives,
to cooperate efficiently within the policy-making hierarchy, to cooperate with allies and rivals
(like Russia, which probably does not see the U.S. as particularly trustworthy or even entirely rational
in negotiation), and to generate public support and general legitimacy.
I would submit that the ordinary purpose of international law is not to mandate just conduct per
se, but to establish conventions that allow for political coordination, even between rivals, as well
as facilitate hierarchical control of the state's forces for the centralized control of policy. And,
domination-by-moral-narrative has become a serious handicap, a source of American foreign policy
palsy cum dementia.
I'm not taking the position that morality and ethical conduct do not matter. (I think long-time
readers will realize I am something of an impractical idealist.) What I am trying to draw attention
to is the effect of bull shit justifications: the narratives are drawn up in disregard for their
factual truth value. (Disregard for truth value is kind of the definition of bull shit).
In short, I think judgments should be attempted, even in the face of the obscuring propaganda,
but I think we have to confront the propaganda as propaganda and the doubts and uncertainties it
engenders, as well as the semi-deranged social climate of opinion it engenders, as Rich P points
out.
debate is over!
Back to the real world.
Anyone here care to give a more detailed view of this mess, who is allied with who where, etc?
OCT 20
Syria War 2016 - GoPro POV Footage Of Turkish Backed Turkmen Fighters In Heavy Clashes With The
Syrian Army In Latakia
First Person point of view GoPro footage of Turkish backed Turkmen fighter groups in heavy
clashes with the Syrian Arab Army in the border region between Turkey and Syria.
The fighters you see here are part of the so called Syrian Turkmen Brigades an informal armed
opposition structure composed of Syrian Turkmen primarily fighting against the Syrian Army, Islamic
State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIS) and the Syrian Democratic Forces (YPG+FSA).
They are aligned with the Syrian opposition and are heavily supported by Turkey, who provides
funding and military training along with artillery and aerial support.
On September 28 the French mission to the UN claimed that two hospitals in east-Aleppo had been bombed.
It documented this in a tweet with
a picture of destroyed buildings in Gaza. The French later deleted that tweet.
It is not the first time such false claims and willful obfuscations were made by "western" officials.
But usually they shy away from outright lies.
Not so the US Secretary of State John Kerry. In a press event yesterday, before talks with the French
Foreign Minister Jean-Marc Ayrault about a new UN resolution,
he said (vid
@1:00) about Syria:
Last night, the regime attacked yet another hospital, and 20 people were killed and 100 people
were wounded. And Russia and the regime owe the world more than an explanation about why they
keep hitting hospitals and medical facilities and children and women.These are acts that beg for
an appropriate investigation of war crimes. And those who commit these would and should be held
accountable for these actions.
No opposition group has claimed that such an extremely grave event happened. None. No press agency
has a record of it. The MI-6 disinformation outlet SOHR in Britain, which quite reliably notes every
claimed casualty and is frequently cited in "western" media", has not said anything about such an
event anywhere in Syria.
The grave incident Kerry claimed did not happen. Kerry made it up. (Was it supposed to happen, got
canceled and Kerry missed the memo?) Kerry used the lie to call for war crime investigations and
punishment. This in front of cameras, at an official event with a foreign guest in the context of
a United Nations Security Council resolution.
This is grave. This is nearly as grave as Colin Powell's false claims of WMD in Iraq in front of
the UN Security Council.
Early reports, like
this one at CBSNEWS, repeat the Kerry claim:
Kerry said Syrian forces hit a hospital overnight, killing 20 people and wounding 100, describing
what would be the latest strike by Moscow or its ally in Damascus on a civilian target.
But the New York Times write up of the event, which includes Kerry's demand for war crime investigations,
does not mention the hospital bombing claim. Not at all. For the self-acclaimed "paper of record",
Kerry's lie did not happen. Likewise the Washington Post which in its own write up
makes no mention of the false Kerry claim.
The latest AP write up by Matthew Lee
also omits the lie. This is curious as Matt Lee is obviously aware of it. The State Departments
daily press briefing yesterday
had a whole section
on it. Video (@3:30)
shows that it is Matt who asks these questions:
QUESTION: Okay. On to Syria and the Secretary's comments earlier this morning, one is: Do you
know what strike he was talking about in his comments overnight on a hospital in Aleppo?
MR KIRBY: I think the Secretary's referring actually to a strike that we saw happen yesterday
on a field hospital in the Rif Dimashq Governorate. I'm not exactly positive that that's what
he was referring to, but I think he was referring to actually one that was --
QUESTION: Not one in Aleppo?
MR KIRBY: I believe it was – I think it was – I think he – my guess is – I'm guessing here that
he was a bit mistaken on location and referring to one --
...
QUESTION: But you don't have certainty, though?
MR KIRBY: I don't. Best I got, best information I got, is that he was most likely referring to
one yesterday in this governorate, but it could just be an honest mistake.
QUESTION: If we could – if we can nail that down with certainty what he was talking about --
MR KIRBY: I'll do the best I can, Matt.
...
This goes on for a while. But there was no hospital attack in Rif Dimashq nor in Aleppo. Later on
DoS spokesman Kirby basically admits that Kerry lied: "I can't corroborate that."
It also turns out that Kerry has no evidence for any war crimes and no plausible way to initiate
any official international procedure about such. And for what? To bully Russia? Fat chance, that
would be a hopeless endeavor and Kerry should know that.
Kerry is desperate. He completely lost the plot on Syria. Russia is in the lead and will do whatever
needs to be done. The Obama administration has, apart from starting a World War, no longer any way
to significantly influence that.
Kerry is only one tool of the Obama administration. Later that day the US Director of National Intelligence,
James Clapper, made other
accusations against Russia:
The US Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident that the Russian Government directedthe recent
compromises of e-mails from US persons and institutions, including from US political organizations.
The recent disclosures of alleged hacked e-mails on sites like DCLeaks.com and WikiLeaks and by
the Guccifer 2.0 online persona are consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed
efforts. These thefts and disclosures are intended to interfere with the US election process.
Such activity is not new to Moscow-the Russians have used similar tactics and techniques across
Europe and Eurasia, for example, to influence public opinion there. We believe, based on the scope
and sensitivity of these efforts, that only Russia's senior-most officials could have authorized
these activities.
Translation: "WE DO NOT KNOW at all ("we are confident", "we believe", "directed") who did these
hacks and WE DO NOT HAVE the slightest evidence ("consistent with","based on the scope and sensitivity")
that Russia is involved, so let me throw some chaff and try to bamboozle you all."
The former British ambassador Craig Murray calls it
a
blatant neocon lie. It was obviously the DNC that manipulated the US election by, contrary to
its mandate, promoting Clinton over Sanders. The hackers only proved that. It is also easy to see
why these accusations are made now. Murray:
That the Obama administration has made a formal accusation of Russia based on no evidence is,
on one level, astonishing. But it is motivated by desperation. WikiLeaks have already announced
that they have a huge cache of other material relating to Hillary's shenanigans. The White House
is simply seeking to discredit it in advance by a completely false association with Russian intelligence.
The Obama administration is losing it. On Syria as well as on the election it can no longer assert
its will. Trump, despite all dirty boy's club talk he may do, has a significant chance to catch the
presidency. He (-44%) and Clinton (-41%) are
more disliked by the U.S electorate, than Putin (-38%). Any solution in Syria will be more in
Russia's than the Washington's favor.
Such desperation can be dangerous. Kerry is gasping at straws when he lies about Russia. The president
and his colleagues at the Pentagon and the CIA have more kinetic means to express themselves. Could
they order up something really stupid?
"... Clinton also says that the no-fly zone bombing in Syria she is arguing for "would kill a lot of Syrians" - all for humanitarian reasons of course. ..."
"... While this military/para-military operation is moving forward, we need to use our diplomatic and more traditional intelligence assets to bring pressure on the governments of Qatar and Saudi Arabia , which are providing clandestine financial and logistic support to ISIL and other radical Sunni groups in the region. ..."
"... Not new - the 2012 DIA analysis provided as much , and more, - but these email's prove that Clinton was and is well aware that U.S. allies are financing the radical Islamists in Syria and Iraq. ..."
Quotes from the Wikileaks stash of Hillary
Clinton speeches and emails
from her campaign chair John Podesta.
Clinton in a 2013 speech to the Jewish United Fund Advance & Major Gifts Dinner (via
The Intercept ):
[Arming moderates has] been complicated by the fact that the Saudis and others are shipping large
amounts of weapons-and pretty indiscriminately-not at all targeted toward the people that we think
would be the more moderate, least likely, to cause problems in the future, ...
Clinton also says that the no-fly zone bombing in Syria she is arguing for "would kill a lot
of Syrians" - all for humanitarian reasons of course.
The following was written by Podesta, a well connected former White House Chief of Staff, in an
2014 email to Clinton.
As introduction Podesta notes: "Sources include Western intelligence, US intelligence and sources
in the region.":
While this military/para-military operation is moving forward, we need to use our diplomatic
and more traditional intelligence assets to bring pressure on the governments of Qatar and Saudi
Arabia , which are providing clandestine financial and logistic support to ISIL and other radical
Sunni groups in the region.
Not new - the 2012 DIA analysis
provided as much , and more, - but these email's prove that Clinton was and is well aware that
U.S. allies are financing the radical Islamists in Syria and Iraq.
"... The trees, the forest and pretty much the entire landscape are screaming 2000 and 2004 didn't matter a damn. ..."
"... All the same media outlets and elites that were screaming for the invasion of Iraq are now howling for evil Syrian blood and the removal of another 'monster' before he destroys all the peace and stability we bring to the region. ..."
"... This time, of course, there's no Bush/Cheney in charge. But no matter, the decisions and the rationale are identical. Democracy will flower in the region once America and the UK kill enough of the bad guys and install their own puppets (I mean 'good guys') ..."
"... Hillary and the democrats are in charge of the killing, so all the death must be both necessary and humanitarian. The possibility that more death and more wars and more invasions and more regime change is pretty much built into the 'solution' is unthinkable. ..."
"... Watching all the cheering for 'victory in Mosul' and over the 'hold-outs' in Libya has actually driven me to turn off the nets ..."
"... Violent regime-change is 'unavoidable' regardless of which party is in power. And the current war is always better, safer, and less prone to blow-back than all those other earlier stupid wars ..."
Reading thru the link, my favorite part was the stated purpose of the cocktail party for elite
NY reporters: "Give reporters their first thoughts . . ."
@244 Good eye, Bruce. The trees, the forest and pretty much the entire landscape are screaming
2000 and 2004 didn't matter a damn.
All the same media outlets and elites that were screaming for the invasion of Iraq are
now howling for evil Syrian blood and the removal of another 'monster' before he destroys all
the peace and stability we bring to the region.
This time, of course, there's no Bush/Cheney in charge. But no matter, the decisions and
the rationale are identical. Democracy will flower in the region once America and the UK kill
enough of the bad guys and install their own puppets (I mean 'good guys') .
Hillary and the democrats are in charge of the killing, so all the death must be both necessary
and humanitarian. The possibility that more death and more wars and more invasions and more regime
change is pretty much built into the 'solution' is unthinkable.
Watching all the cheering for 'victory in Mosul' and over the 'hold-outs' in Libya has
actually driven me to turn off the nets .
Violent regime-change is 'unavoidable' regardless of which party is in power. And the current
war is always better, safer, and less prone to blow-back than all those other earlier stupid wars
.
I learned that reading the pro-Hillary 'liberal' press.
"... Is the solution supposed to be that HRC's foreign policy team will be much better than Obama's? ..."
"... The US will unilaterally determine to seize sovereignty of Syrian airspace, intervene in a civil war on the side of the rebels, and shoot down Syrian government and Russian planes. ..."
"... Shooting down Russian planes is the plan. ..."
"... If anyone has any doubt how little Hillary and company have learned from invading Iraq, violent regime change in Iraq, and removing inconvenient one-time friends at will, we're living through it real time all over again. ..."
"... This is a community of adults: LFC, Lee, W Berry et al who lecture the rest of us for wankery, emotionalism etc. and who are now fully behind the candidate who is promising a 'do-over' of Iraq with the promise to this time get it right. ..."
"... Trump, whatever his real deficiencies is openly ready to cede Syrian air-space to Assad. Most informed observers I've read argue that the civil war in Syria has been extended by years thanks to US and UK wankery. ..."
"... At some point, the US may decide not to proceed with violent regime-change. Not yet, however, or so it seems. ..."
"... All the responsible US diplomats and generals who brought us Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria are lined-up to support the only candidate who is running on 4-8 years of violent regime change. ..."
"... With regard to Aleppo, the eastern part of the city has been under the control of the rebels for some years. The majority of the population is in western Aleppo, under government control. Eastern Aleppo is now cut off, and under attack by various pro-government forces supported by the Russian air force. Rebel forces in eastern Aleppo are estimated to be around half al-Qaeda linked Islamists and half local Sunnis. They regularly bombard the western part, as the government does the rebel enclave. ..."
"... The government has opened seven exit corridors for civilians to leave, and repeatedly offered the rebels evacuation to other areas (several similar offers have been accepted and carried through for rebel enclaves around Damascus). The latest news is that the rebels are reported to have mined the exits to prevent civilians leaving. ..."
"... A good foreign policy maxim is to choose a side that has a reasonable chance of winning and stick with it. Anything else prolongs the suffering without changing the outcome. US policy in the Middle East, as earlier in South-East Asia, seems unable to grasp this basic. ..."
"... Obviously you must want to turn a helpless population over to the evil Assad instead of the good(?) Islamists or the nonexistent moderates. Anything that equates to letting Assad win would be the ultimate proof of a love of dictators. ..."
"... I've often noticed that opponents of humanitarian intervention are cast as the ones peddling a simplistic, unrealistic set of fantasies - nonsense, in short. But whenever an actual case comes up, it appears that the reverse is true. The people calling for war are peddling fantastical nonsense. ..."
...I purposefully haven't addressed anything about the recent history of American involvement
in war in Syria, because that would lead to the same old accusations that this is about hating
America.
But now we're talking about the present as a guide to the future. Does anything about the known
history of recent American involvement in Syria indicate that there are detailed expert analyses
available that will do any good once filtered through policy? Is the solution supposed to
be that HRC's foreign policy team will be much better than Obama's?
What crap-for-brains doesn't seem to appreciate is that there are only two sets of pilots
and planes for the US to shoot down: pilots flying under the Syrian flag and those flying under
the Russian flag. There will be no 'random' misunderstandings and miscommunications for Hillary
to hide behind. And that's before Russia decides to flex in the Crimea, the Ukraine, and the Baltic
states.
The US will unilaterally determine to seize sovereignty of Syrian airspace, intervene in
a civil war on the side of the rebels, and shoot down Syrian government and Russian planes.
Shooting down Russian planes is the plan.
If anyone has any doubt how little Hillary and company have learned from invading Iraq,
violent regime change in Iraq, and removing inconvenient one-time friends at will, we're living
through it real time all over again.
This time we have the CT majority in favor of Bush III and her invasions.
@180 I'm extremely grateful, btw, to see you gaming out how the US plays chicken with the Russians
who 'back down' as a 'reason to vote for Hillary.'
This is a community of adults: LFC, Lee, W Berry et al who lecture the rest of us for wankery,
emotionalism etc. and who are now fully behind the candidate who is promising a 'do-over' of Iraq
with the promise to this time get it right.
Trump, whatever his real deficiencies is openly ready to cede Syrian air-space to Assad.
Most informed observers I've read argue that the civil war in Syria has been extended by years
thanks to US and UK wankery.
At some point, the US may decide not to proceed with violent regime-change. Not yet, however,
or so it seems.
All the responsible US diplomats and generals who brought us Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and
Syria are lined-up to support the only candidate who is running on 4-8 years of violent regime
change.
You're voting in favor of invading Iraq all over again. Thanks!!!
The Syrian/Iraqi wars are …complicated. But they are both – from the viewpoint of the major combatants
– the same war, a contest between the two current major streams of political thought in the Islamic
Middle East. Iraqi and Lebanese Shi'a militias are active in support of the regime in Damascus,
as are Sunni Palestinian ones and the Druze. Christian and Yezidi groups and Kurdish nationalists
have lined up behind both Baghdad and Damascus. One the other side is a loose grouping of Salafi
Islamists – ISIS, an-Nusra, the many groups under the FSA umbrella. There are, of course, a few
politiques in the middle, too small to count in the fighting, but much courted by the press, and
always trotted out as the "moderate opposition". Any intervention that tries to slice across the
broad lines of division soon gets hopelessly tangled diplomatically and militarily. As the US
has found out.
With regard to Aleppo, the eastern part of the city has been under the control of the rebels
for some years. The majority of the population is in western Aleppo, under government control.
Eastern Aleppo is now cut off, and under attack by various pro-government forces supported by
the Russian air force. Rebel forces in eastern Aleppo are estimated to be around half al-Qaeda
linked Islamists and half local Sunnis. They regularly bombard the western part, as the government
does the rebel enclave.
The government has opened seven exit corridors for civilians to leave, and repeatedly
offered the rebels evacuation to other areas (several similar offers have been accepted and carried
through for rebel enclaves around Damascus). The latest news is that the rebels are reported to
have mined the exits to prevent civilians leaving.
A good foreign policy maxim is to choose a side that has a reasonable chance of winning
and stick with it. Anything else prolongs the suffering without changing the outcome. US policy
in the Middle East, as earlier in South-East Asia, seems unable to grasp this basic.
Peter T: "A good foreign policy maxim is to choose a side that has a reasonable chance of winning
and stick with it. Anything else prolongs the suffering without changing the outcome. US policy
in the Middle East, as earlier in South-East Asia, seems unable to grasp this basic."
Obviously you must want to turn a helpless population over to the evil Assad instead of
the good(?) Islamists or the nonexistent moderates. Anything that equates to letting Assad win
would be the ultimate proof of a love of dictators.
I've often noticed that opponents of humanitarian intervention are cast as the ones peddling
a simplistic, unrealistic set of fantasies - nonsense, in short. But whenever an actual case comes
up, it appears that the reverse is true. The people calling for war are peddling fantastical nonsense.
"... To have a no fly zone you have to take out all of the air defense, many of which are located in populated areas. So our missiles, even if they are standoff missiles so we're not putting our pilots at risk-you're going to kill a lot of Syrians. ..."
Hillary:
To have a no fly zone you have to take out all of the air defense, many of which are
located in populated areas. So our missiles, even if they are standoff missiles so we're not putting
our pilots at risk-you're going to kill a lot of Syrians.
And why is it that all the r2p humanitarians are calling for a no-fly zone? To protect Syrians. Obviously
the most humane way to do that is to 'kill a lot of Syrians'.
I think I got this interview with Nasrallah from Hezbollah from links this
morning, but it's a real eye-opener. Very interesting to hear the other side's
point of view. Worth your 10 min if you got time.
"... For three years, violent militants have run Aleppo. Their rule began with a wave of repression. They posted notices warning residents: "Don't send your children to school. If you do, we will get the backpack and you will get the coffin." Then they destroyed factories, hoping that unemployed workers would have no recourse other than to become fighters. They trucked looted machinery to Turkey and sold it. ..."
"... Militants, true to form, are wreaking havoc as they are pushed out of the city by Russian and Syrian Army forces. "Turkish-Saudi backed 'moderate rebels' showered the residential neighborhoods of Aleppo with unguided rockets and gas jars," one Aleppo resident wrote on social media. The Beirut-based analyst Marwa Osma asked, "The Syrian Arab Army, which is led by President Bashar Assad, is the only force on the ground, along with their allies, who are fighting ISIS - so you want to weaken the only system that is fighting ISIS?" ..."
"... This does not fit with Washington's narrative. As a result, much of the American press is reporting the opposite of what is actually happening. Many news reports suggest that Aleppo has been a "liberated zone" for three years but is now being pulled back into misery. ..."
"... Americans are being told that the virtuous course in Syria is to fight the Assad regime and its Russian and Iranian partners. We are supposed to hope that a righteous coalition of Americans, Turks, Saudis, Kurds, and the "moderate opposition" will win. This is convoluted nonsense, but Americans cannot be blamed for believing it. We have almost no real information about the combatants, their goals, or their tactics. Much blame for this lies with our media. ..."
"... Astonishingly brave correspondents in the war zone, including Americans, seek to counteract Washington-based reporting. At great risk to their own safety, these reporters are pushing to find the truth about the Syrian war. Their reporting often illuminates the darkness of groupthink. Yet for many consumers of news, their voices are lost in the cacophony. Reporting from the ground is often overwhelmed by the Washington consensus. ..."
"... Inevitably, this kind of disinformation has bled into the American presidential campaign. At the recent debate in Milwaukee, Hillary Clinton claimed that United Nations peace efforts in Syria were based on "an agreement I negotiated in June of 2012 in Geneva." The precise opposite is true. In 2012 Secretary of State Clinton joined Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Israel in a successful effort to kill Kofi Annan's UN peace plan because it would have accommodated Iran and kept Assad in power, at least temporarily. No one on the Milwaukee stage knew enough to challenge her. ..."
"... The truth is that Kinzer is right. We have no idea what is going on in Syria. For the elites in Washington and their press lackeys to report that one side is moderate and the other is not is ludicrous. ..."
Coverage of the Syrian war will be remembered as one of the most shameful episodes in the history
of the American press. Reporting about carnage in the ancient city of Aleppo is the latest reason
why.
For three years, violent militants have run Aleppo. Their rule began with a wave of repression.
They posted notices warning residents: "Don't send your children to school. If you do, we will get
the backpack and you will get the coffin." Then they destroyed factories, hoping that unemployed
workers would have no recourse other than to become fighters. They trucked looted machinery to Turkey
and sold it.
This month, people in Aleppo have finally seen glimmers of hope. The Syrian army and its allies
have been pushing militants out of the city. Last week they reclaimed the main power plant. Regular
electricity may soon be restored. The militants' hold on the city could be ending.
Militants, true to form, are wreaking havoc as they are pushed out of the city by Russian
and Syrian Army forces. "Turkish-Saudi backed 'moderate rebels' showered the residential neighborhoods
of Aleppo with unguided rockets and gas jars," one Aleppo resident wrote on social media. The Beirut-based
analyst Marwa Osma asked, "The Syrian Arab Army, which is led by President Bashar Assad, is the only
force on the ground, along with their allies, who are fighting ISIS - so you want to weaken the only
system that is fighting ISIS?"
This does not fit with Washington's narrative. As a result, much of the American press is
reporting the opposite of what is actually happening. Many news reports suggest that Aleppo has been
a "liberated zone" for three years but is now being pulled back into misery.
Americans are being told that the virtuous course in Syria is to
fight the Assad regime and its Russian and Iranian partners. We are supposed
to hope that a righteous coalition of Americans, Turks, Saudis, Kurds,
and the "moderate opposition" will win. This is convoluted nonsense, but
Americans cannot be blamed for believing it. We have almost no real information
about the combatants, their goals, or their tactics. Much blame for this
lies with our media.
Under intense financial pressure, most American newspapers, magazines, and broadcast networks
have drastically reduced their corps of foreign correspondents. Much important news about the world
now comes from reporters based in Washington. In that environment, access and credibility depend
on acceptance of official paradigms. Reporters who cover Syria check with the Pentagon, the State
Department, the White House, and think tank "experts." After a spin on that soiled carousel, they
feel they have covered all sides of the story. This form of stenography produces the pabulum that
passes for news about Syria.
Astonishingly brave correspondents in the war zone, including Americans,
seek to counteract Washington-based reporting. At great risk to their own safety, these reporters
are pushing to find the truth about the Syrian war. Their reporting often illuminates the darkness
of groupthink. Yet for many consumers of news, their voices are lost in the cacophony. Reporting
from the ground is often overwhelmed by the Washington consensus.
Washington-based reporters tell us that one potent force in Syria, al-Nusra,
is made up of "rebels" or "moderates," not that it is the local al-Qaeda franchise. Saudi Arabia
is portrayed as aiding freedom fighters when in fact it is a prime sponsor of ISIS. Turkey has for
years been running a "rat line" for foreign fighters wanting to join terror groups in Syria, but
because the United States wants to stay on Turkey's good side, we hear little about it. Nor are we
often reminded that although we want to support the secular and battle-hardened Kurds, Turkey wants
to kill them. Everything Russia and Iran do in Syria is described as negative and destabilizing,
simply because it is they who are doing it - and because that is the official line in Washington.
Inevitably, this kind of disinformation has bled into the American presidential campaign. At the
recent debate in Milwaukee, Hillary Clinton claimed that United Nations peace efforts in Syria were
based on "an agreement I negotiated in June of 2012 in Geneva." The precise opposite is true. In
2012 Secretary of State Clinton joined Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Israel in a successful effort to
kill Kofi Annan's UN peace plan because it would have accommodated Iran and kept Assad in power,
at least temporarily. No one on the Milwaukee stage knew enough to challenge her.
Politicians may be forgiven for distorting their past actions. Governments may also be excused
for promoting whatever narrative they believe best suits them. Journalism, however, is supposed to
remain apart from the power elite and its inbred mendacity. In this crisis it has failed miserably.
Americans are said to be ignorant of the world. We are, but so are people in other countries.
If people in Bhutan or Bolivia misunderstand Syria, however, that has no real effect. Our ignorance
is more dangerous, because we act on it. The United States has the power to decree the death of nations.
It can do so with popular support because many Americans - and many journalists - are content with
the official story. In Syria, it is: "Fight Assad, Russia, and Iran! Join with our Turkish, Saudi,
and Kurdish friends to support peace!" This is appallingly distant from reality. It is also likely
to prolong the war and condemn more Syrians to suffering and death.
Stephen Kinzer is a senior fellow at the Watson Institute for International Studies at Brown
University. Follow him on Twitter @stephenkinzer.
kaisy 02/18/16 03:38 PM
The truth is that Kinzer is right. We have no idea what is going on in Syria. For the
elites in Washington and their press lackeys to report that one side is moderate and the other
is not is ludicrous.
When the uprising against Assad began three years ago, initially we were on the side of the
angels, that is until we found out that they were mostly Al Queda. Fast forward and now we
have ISIS, the sworn enemy of the US and anybody else that disagrees with them. So now,
remarkably, some are looking at Assad as the voice of moderation. This is so akin to
Afghanistan and, decades ago, Vietnam. When you don't understand the players and their
ulterior motives, best to not get involved. Me, I'd leave this to the Saudis and Iran to fight
over. Cruz talks about carpet bombing Syria until the sand glows (btw, real Christianlike
there). I say defer to those over there. Eventually they'll run out of people to do the
fighting (happening already with ISIS), then, and only then, we can go in and pick up the
pieces.
jkupie02/19/16 07:16 AM
"Washington-based reporters tell us that one potent force in Syria, al-Nusra, is made
up of "rebels" or "moderates," not that it is the local al-Qaeda franchise."
I don't know enough about the area to confirm or disprove most of Mr. Kinzer's points but I
DO KNOW that this claim is false.
tyfox"n" 02/19/16 07:40 PM
jkupiue I absolutley agree. I have never read or heard al-Nusra described as anything but
an al-Qaeda group, and it is stated every time al-Nusra is mentioned.
pegnva 02/19/16 07:58 AM
Hard to know the truth...but it is interesting Kinzer was able to QUOTE former Sec'ty of
State, now presidential candidate Hillary Clinton at the recent Milwaukee debate for falsely
taking credit, some might say lying to the Am public.
kaisy 02/19/16 11:24 AM
Hillary is on the wrong side of this. She wants a no fly zone in Syria, just the Repubs.
She doesn't speak to the consequences of the policy. Unfortunately Bernie has not challenged
her on this. He really needs to.
NH-Repub 02/19/16 09:22 AM
Leftout is right and Hillary is the Queen of Doublespeak. Obama and his minions would like
nothing better than to mislead the masses and keep them in the dark about everything. That way
they control the media and by proxy - us!
"... In other news, the "save Aleppo" propaganda's gone into overdrive. BBC and their assorted media houses have all got their marching orders to spew the usual nonsense. Good thing is, nobody gives a sh*t about them anymore. Years of one-sided BS about "moderate rebels" blah blah blah is finally wearing thin. ..."
"... You know the rats are in real trouble when the msm starts talking about "humanitarian" intervention.. All I hear on the news are Russia this, Russia that, Assad this Assad that, backeries, last hospital here/there, white helmets etc etc. ..."
"... Quite interesting listening to the leaks. It shows a divided government with different factions working for the highest bidder. Also shows the US does not have much control over their Saudi/Turkish "allies".. ..."
"... There is one country on the Arabian peninsula that is somewhat hostile to Saudia Arabia and has reasonably good relations with Iran, so I suspect they're quite happy to see Saudi Arabia bogged down in a Yemeni quagmire as no doubt are the Russians. ..."
In other news, the "save Aleppo" propaganda's gone into overdrive. BBC and their assorted
media houses have all got their marching orders to spew the usual nonsense. Good thing is, nobody
gives a sh*t about them anymore. Years of one-sided BS about "moderate rebels" blah blah blah
is finally wearing thin.
You know the rats are in real trouble when the msm starts talking about "humanitarian"
intervention.. All I hear on the news are Russia this, Russia that, Assad this Assad that, backeries,
last hospital here/there, white helmets etc etc.
Bottom line: taking back Aleppo will be the end of the fake revolution and the architects of
this dirty war know it!!!
These Oil Sheikhs are way too retarded to know wtf they're doing in Yemen and the amount of
sh*t they've gotten themselves into.
You guys evidently haven't understood. This is a war of Sunnis, of Wahhabi style, against the
Shi'a, represented by the Houthis. In which the UAE participates, although not directly threatened.
There've been remarks by Saudi princes about how how they want Shi'a to disappear from the
world, a direct threat of genocide. That is why the war in Yemen.
Why this powerful sentiment? It's quite simple. The population of the Eastern Province of Saudi
Arabia is Shi'a mainly (not quite sure on the figures). It is also the only area of Saudi with
oil. If the Shi'a rebel, it's all over for the revenues of Saudi princes.
A second case is Bahrain. Majority Shi'a population suppressed by Sunni dynasty. Bahraini oil
in danger.
The GCC operates together, though no Shi'a in UAE. That's why Emiratis in Yemen.
' "Someone" gave the Houthis anti-ship missiles ...'
I've been seeing Internet news and rumours that hundreds of Saudi soldiers have been defecting
to the Yemeni side. At the very least they've been going AWOL but one assumes they must be going
somewhere to escape Saudi authorities. Defecting to the Yemenis seems the simplest explanation
and could also explain how the Houthis have been able to acquire sophisticated weapons.
Quite interesting listening to the leaks. It shows a divided government with different
factions working for the highest bidder. Also shows the US does not have much control over their
Saudi/Turkish "allies"..
The Syrian 5-star opposition had hoped the Americans will invade Syria and get rid of Assad
for them and parachute them into Damascus like the CIA did Hamid Karzai...It'll make for a lovely
comedy script if it wasn't so tragic!!!
Jen | Oct 1, 2016 5:18:33 PM | 16 There is one country on the Arabian peninsula that is somewhat hostile to Saudia Arabia and
has reasonably good relations with Iran, so I suspect they're quite happy to see Saudi Arabia
bogged down in a Yemeni quagmire as no doubt are the Russians.
It's one of two countries that have a land border with Yemen so, I'm guessing it wouldn't be
hard to smuggle weapons across their shared border, i.e., as about as difficult as it is for al
Nusrah or ISIS to smuggle weapons across Syria's border with Turkey.
A friend of a friend works as a nursing practitioner in a military hospital in that country
and all her patients have battlefield wounds even though that country is not at war internally
or externally.
My guess is that it was an Iranian knockoff of the C-802 that flies at 3-5 metres off the sea
during the attack phase at mach 0.9 (~690 mph), so you might not see it given its speed and altitude.
When the missile is launched, the solid rocket propellant booster accelerates the speed of
the missile to Mach 0.9 in a few seconds. After the booster burns out, it detaches from the
missile body and the missile's turbojet engine starts.
This missile is semi-armoured piercing while the boat has an aluminium (alloy) hull and superstructure
so the missile would punch through the skin like a hot knife through butter and explode inside
the ship.
The missile uses a 165 kg semi-armor-piercing anti-personnel blast warhead which relies on
the missile's kinetic energy to pierce the deck of a ship, penetrate into and explode in the
ship's interior. The YJ-82 might have a higher single hit probability than the YJ-8/YJ-81..
"... The potential threats both candidates pose are real. Those advocating Hillary as the better, safer choice cannot offer any reliable assurances that she will be able, or willing, to pursue policies that increase the well-being and security of any but the already affluent and secure. ..."
"... Hillary's long and unhappy history of war-mongering has not, imho, received anything like the media scrutiny it deserves, and won't until she's correctly identified in the minds of most as an advocate of 'liberal interventionism'/violent regime change and on an equal footing of imbecility and irresponsibility in the minds of the public as Bush, Cheney, and Blair. ..."
"... When the busts of Hillary, Bush, Blair, and Cheney form a Mt. Rushmore of savage stupidity for all to see and all school children studying the early 21st-century American-UK wars recognize the monument as such, that task of 'highlighting' her role in this enormously costly and damaging humanitarian and political disaster will be at least part way done. ..."
"... Obama, as Stevenjohnson notes, has not entirely surrendered his dream of forcing 'democracy' on Syria. There is abundant evidence, however, the US and a number of other nations have been arming Syrian rebels (ISIL and Al Quaida) since 2011, at least. ..."
"... The result of Obama and Hillary's love of violent regime change has been an increase in the suffering of millions in North Africa and the Middle East, the collapse of basic services such as fresh water and hospitals, and a new flood of refugees seeking to escape the beneficence of Hillary Clinton and her boss. ..."
"... If you are supporting Hillary you are supporting violent regime change in the Middle East and the love of violence of Bush and Cheney, not too mention drone strikes, the surveillance state. That's who you are. ..."
"... Dealing first with Libya and Syria, Hillary Clinton served as the US Secretary of State from 2009 to 2013, which makes her at least one of the prime architects of US foreign policy, and certainly the most important administration official after Obama responsible for foreign policy. Facts which place the burden of proof regarding her involvement in US foreign policy formation and execution squarely on you. ..."
"... HRC's involvement in Iraq is less well-understood, and that's likely no accident either, given the mileage democrats have generated out of pinning the entire bi-partisan debacle on Bush and Cheney. From the linked dialogue above featuring Robert Wright and Max Abrahms (Northeastern) http://bloggingheads.tv/videos/43967?in=01:10&out=12:21 ..."
"... The chaotic civil war in Syria and Iraq seems like another example where the U.S. is having a hard time "thinking" things thru realistically. ..."
"... One interpretation is she's stupid and vicious as a badge of class honor, blissfully consistent with the bloodthirsty record of Madeleine Albright and Henry Kissinger. Unfortunately, that might be true, though I think if it is true, it is more likely a product of being caught up in the amoral bubble of political and media process that has enveloped the whole foreign policy establishment than any personal psychopathy. ..."
@ 278 There's nothing quite so amusing as advocates of free speech 'commanding' the comments section
of somebody else's blog and then issuing permissions to comment, or instructions to how and what
to post. (fn, rich, colin, TM in one form, or another)
Merian is quite right that in the artificially and arbitrarily limited universe of a one-time
choice between just two options, everything written can be seen as pro/con against one or the
other if everything that is written has only one meaning and will be read and understood
by all as having the same meaning.
The fact is that a great many people inside the US and outside the US may well lack any/much
understanding of the decision-making processes that led up to Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and Syria,
not to mention America's long history with Iran, and America's support of Evil Axis bad guy number
1 Saddam Hussein. The dynamics are complex even for those familiar with the basic topography.
The rhetorical parallels leading up to the Iraq invasions and the presidential elections are
striking and easy to identify. Facts don't matter, the urgency and severity of the threat demands
uniform action, and the enemy is a once in an eon threat of epic proportion to the physical and
moral existence of the known universe.
The potential threats both candidates pose are real. Those advocating Hillary as the better,
safer choice cannot offer any reliable assurances that she will be able, or willing, to pursue
policies that increase the well-being and security of any but the already affluent and secure.
Hillary's long and unhappy history of war-mongering has not, imho, received anything like
the media scrutiny it deserves, and won't until she's correctly identified in the minds of most
as an advocate of 'liberal interventionism'/violent regime change and on an equal footing of imbecility
and irresponsibility in the minds of the public as Bush, Cheney, and Blair.
When the busts of Hillary, Bush, Blair, and Cheney form a Mt. Rushmore of savage stupidity
for all to see and all school children studying the early 21st-century American-UK wars recognize
the monument as such, that task of 'highlighting' her role in this enormously costly and damaging
humanitarian and political disaster will be at least part way done.
For Merian and others: a timely post from Matt Welch at Reason on Gary Johnson via the o'l perfessor
who sees the coverage of Hillary and Trump as you.
28 September 2015 "Obama tells the UN Assad must go."
18 August 2011 "Assad Must Go Obama Says" (Wapo) (no links to follow to avoid moderation)
1 August 2012 "Obama Authorizes Secret US Support for Syrian Rebels" (Reuters)
Obama, as Stevenjohnson notes, has not entirely surrendered his dream of forcing 'democracy'
on Syria. There is abundant evidence, however, the US and a number of other nations have been
arming Syrian rebels (ISIL and Al Quaida) since 2011, at least.
The result of Obama and Hillary's love of violent regime change has been an increase
in the suffering of millions in North Africa and the Middle East, the collapse of basic services
such as fresh water and hospitals, and a new flood of refugees seeking to escape the beneficence
of Hillary Clinton and her boss.
All this after the 'lessons' of Iraq and Afghanistan.
If you are supporting Hillary you are supporting violent regime change in the Middle East
and the love of violence of Bush and Cheney, not too mention drone strikes, the surveillance state.
That's who you are.
kidneystones 10.02.16 at 3:58 am
ZM@ 303. The linked dialogue above explores the role Hillary and Obama, in particular, played
in providing the arms and support to a rebellion that Assad, like Gaddafi, could have ended years
ago.
Like Gaddafi, Assad is not being attacked by moderate democrats keen to legalize gay marriage,
but rather Sunni militias deeply sympathetic to ISIL and Al Quaida, or those forces operating
in Syria and western Iraq.
You're right to point out that the only result of US support of ISIL related Sunnis has been
the prolonging of the civil war and the promulgation of the delusion that violent-regime change
brings peace and security. Yes, five years of US arms, threats, and intimidation has destroyed
Syria, in much the same was as the Hillary promoted war in Libya destroyed that regime.
The pro-Hillary-Obama media is extremely reluctant in the run-up to the election to point out
explicitly what a spectacular FP failure the US has created for itself right now, with Russian
jets flying over Aleppo and Assad about to finally humiliate the insurgents and all those like
Hillary and Obama who encouraged the bloodshed.
The Obama-Hillary policy has been a five-year bloodbath and there's no sign Hillary wants to
do anything but press for a no-fly zone over Syria in order for the US to continue to funnel more
death and destruction into the already devastated moonscape.
It ain't like anyone she knows is dying over there. Syrians can't vote in November.
The attitude of her supporters seems be: fuck it – Syria is on the other side of the world,
so what's the big deal?
Mitt Romney tied the family dog to the roof of his car. What about that ?
kidneystones 10.02.16 at 4:05 am
@ 305 Hi Merian.
Go tell your students that you're supporting the candidate who voted for the Iraq invasion
(biggest mistake in modern US history), persuaded plenty of other Democrats and ordinary Americans
to suspend their judgment and do the same. And who also played an instrumental role in destroying
Libya, promotes violent regime-change in Syria and enjoys the support of all the same neocon warmongers
who've made the US into a pariah state. Play the 'We came, we saw, he died – ha-ha-ha" Hillary
CBS video for them.
Then explain to them that Hillary is the better candidate.
See what happens.
Omega Centauri 10.02.16 at 4:40 am 314
I don't see HRC as a prime mover in either Iraq or Libya. In the first case Iraq was a neocon/Bush
project, and they were threatening to extract a terrible price from anyone who used their position
to block their ambitions. Libya was primarily a Arab-league cum French-British project. Not supporting
it could have potentially damaged our relationship with key allies France and Britain. Of course
Libya was a slippery slope, once started it soon became obvious there was no solution where Qaddafi
survived and the Libyan people wouldn't end up paying dearly. Not that her acquiescence in either
case demonstrated either good long term judgement or courage, but it also doesn't demonstrate
that she was a principle architect of either project.
314@ "I don't see HRC as a prime mover in either Iraq, or Libya."
That's probably a great comfort to the grifters keen to see her elected. The facts, however,
suggest otherwise. Dealing first with Libya and Syria, Hillary Clinton served as the US Secretary
of State from 2009 to 2013, which makes her at least one of the prime architects of US foreign
policy, and certainly the most important administration official after Obama responsible for foreign
policy. Facts which place the burden of proof regarding her involvement in US foreign policy formation
and execution squarely on you.
HRC's involvement in Iraq is less well-understood, and that's likely no accident either,
given the mileage democrats have generated out of pinning the entire bi-partisan debacle on Bush
and Cheney. From the linked dialogue above featuring Robert Wright and Max Abrahms (Northeastern)
http://bloggingheads.tv/videos/43967?in=01:10&out=12:21
bruce wilder 10.02.16 at 7:49 pm
Anarcissie @ 239: We basically have a whole class of people, at the top of the social order,
who seem devoid of a moral sense - a problem which the upcoming election isn't going to touch,
much less solve. I don't blame Clinton for this . . .
JimV @ 317: I am sorry if I mischaracterized BW as implying that HRC is evil, . . .
Peter T @ 320: Whatever the merits of their individual stances, there is no reason to suppose
that either Obama or Hillary can exert more than loose control over this mess [the multi-sided
regional civil war engulfing Syria and northern Iraq]
stevenjohnson @ 324: The recent leak that Clinton is against nuclear armed cruise missiles
and isn't committed to Obama's trillion dollar nuclear weapons upgrade appears to suggest she's
not quite on board with plans for general war.
LFC @ 330: I disagree w the notion that the pt of nuclear 'modernization' is to make plausible
the threat of "imminent general nuclear war." If U.S. military planners took hallucinogenic drugs
and went nuts, they could "plausibly" threaten "imminent general nuclear war" right now with the
US nuclear arsenal as currently configured. They don't need to upgrade the weapons to do that.
The program is prob more the result of rigid, unimaginative thinking at top levels of Pentagon
and influence of outside companies (e.g. Boeing etc) that work on the upgrades.
I don't know if that seems like a somewhat random collection of precursors to assemble as preface
to a comment. I was thinking of picking out a few upthread references to climate change and the
response to it (or inadequacy thereof) as well.
I am a little disturbed by the idea of leaving the impression that I think Hillary Clinton
is "evil". What I think is that American politics in general is not generating realistic, adaptive
governance.
I am using that bloodless phrase, "realistic, adaptive governance", deliberately, to emphasize
wanting to step outside the passions of the Presidential election. I think the Manichean narrative
where Trump is The Most Horrible Candidate Evah and Everyone Must Line Up Behind Clinton as an
Ethical Imperative of a High Order is part of the process of propaganda and manipulation that
distorts popular discussion and understanding and helps to create a politics that cannot govern
realistically and adaptively. This is not about me thinking Trump is anything but a horrible mess
of a candidate who ought to be kept far from power.
I see Clinton as someone who is trapped inside the dynamics of this seriously deranged politics
qua political process. I don't see her as entirely blameless. Politicians like Obama and either
Clinton, at the top of the political order, are masters (keeping in mind that there are many masters
working to some extent in opposition to one another as rivals, allies, enemies and so on) of the
process and create the process by the exercise of their mastery, as much as they are mastered
by it. I see them as trapped by the process they have helped (more than a little opportunistically)
to create, but trapped as Dr Frankenstein is by his Creature.
Clinton must struggle with the ethical contradictions of governance at the highest levels of
leadership: she must, in the exercise of power in office and out, practice the political art of
the possible in relation to crafting policy that will be "good" in the sense of passably effective
and efficient - this may involve a high degree of foresightful wonkery or a lethally ruthless
statesmanship, depending upon circumstances. Beside this business of making the great machinery
of the state lumber forward, she must strive to appear "good", like Machiavelli's Prince, even
while playing an amoral game of real politick, gathering and shepherding a complex coalition of
allies, supporters, donors and cooperative enemies.
Machiavelli, when he was considering the Princely business of appearing "good", was contending
with the hypocrisies and impossible idealism of authoritarian Catholic morality. He barely connected
with anything that we would recognize as democratic Public Opinion and could scarcely conceive
of what Ivy Lee or Edward Bernays, let alone Fox News, Vox and the world wide web might do to
politics.
We are trapped, just as Clinton is trapped, in the vast communication nightmare of surrealistic
news and opinion washing in upon us in a tide that never ebbs. We are trapped by the politics
of media "gotchas" and Kinsley Gaffes (A Kinsley gaffe occurs when a political gaffe reveals some
truth that a politician did not intend to admit.)
I don't think Clinton lacks a moral sense. What I think is that Clinton's moral sense is exhausted
calculating what to say or do within the parameters of media-synthesized conventional wisdom policed
by people who are themselves exhausted trying to manage it. Matt Lauer's interview with Clinton
was notorious for the relentless and clueless questioning about the email server, although I,
personally, was shocked when he asked her a question that seemed premised on the idea that veterans
should be offended by admitting the Iraq War was a mistake.
I would think it is easy to see that the media circus is out of control, especially when a
clown like Trump graduates from The Apprentice to the Republican nomination. YMMV, but
I think this is a serious problem that goes beyond vividly imagined sepia-toned parodies of Trump's
candidacy as the second coming of Mussolini.
While we're getting ourselves agitated over Trump's racism or threats to bar Muslims from entry,
apparently the Military-Industrial Complex, left on autopilot, is re-designing the nation's nuclear
arsenal to make the outbreak of nuclear war far more likely. And, the closest Clinton gets to
a comment, campaign commitment or public discussion, let alone an exercise of power, is a PR "leak"!!!
The chaotic civil war in Syria and Iraq seems like another example where the U.S. is having
a hard time "thinking" things thru realistically. Clinton offered up a sound-bite last year,
saying that she favored imposing a "no-fly" zone, which was exposed as kind of crazy idea, given
that the Russians as well as Assad's government are the ones flying, not to mention the recent
experience with a no-fly zone in Libya. One interpretation is she's stupid and vicious as
a badge of class honor, blissfully consistent with the bloodthirsty record of Madeleine Albright
and Henry Kissinger. Unfortunately, that might be true, though I think if it is true, it is more
likely a product of being caught up in the amoral bubble of political and media process that has
enveloped the whole foreign policy establishment than any personal psychopathy. What's most
alarming to me is that we cannot count on personal character to put the brakes on that process,
which is now the process of governance. I am writing now of the process of governance by public
relations that was has been exposed a bit in profiles of the Deputy National Security Advisor
for Strategic Communications, Ben Rhodes.
In Syria, it has become almost comical, if you can overlook the bodies piling up, as the U.S.
has sought a the mythical unicorn of Syrian Moderate Democrats whom the Pentagon or the CIA can
advise, train and arm. This is foreign policy by PR narrative and it is insanely unrealistic.
But, our politics is trapped in it, and, worse, policy is trapped in it. Layer after layer of
b.s. have piled up obscuring U.S. interests and practical options. Recently, U.S. forces supporting
the Turks have come dangerously close to blowing up U.S. forces supporting the Kurds. When you
find yourself on opposing sides of a civil war like Charles I you may be in the process of losing
your head. Some of the worst elements opposing Assad have been engaged in a transparent re-branding
exercise aimed at garnering U.S. aid. And, U.S. diplomats and media face the high challenge of
explaining why the U.S. supports Saudi Arabia in Yemen.
But, hey, Clinton will get Robert Kagan's vote and a better tomorrow is only a Friedman unit
away, so it is all good.
kidneystones 10.02.16 at 9:24 pm
@328 stevenjohnson and Peter T cover the details. As an outsider supportive of negotiated settlements
in all cases, rather than unilateral military action and violent regime change, I'm interested
principally in ensuring that partisan political preferences do not obscure the historical record.
Bluntly put, dictators routinely abuse bomb their own civilians as the 'need' arises. Nor is the
US the only state actor keen to profit in the broadest sense of the term from political division.
The UN was formed, in large part, to provide a forum/mechanism for peaceful conflict resolution.
Each time state actors such as Russia, China, the US, France, and the UK either bypass the UN,
or use the UN to sanction attacks by larger states on smaller states, the entire edifice becomes
a little weaker.
Hillary is not the only individual with Libyan and Syrian blood on her hands. She's simply
the only individual directly involved in Iraq, Libya, and Syria running to the 45th president
of the US.
bruce wilder 10.02.16 at 9:54 pm
Rich Puchalsky @ 334
People are in information overload most of the time, and where politics are concerned, they
really just want to know who to root for. They ask, "who is the good guy? who is the bad guy?"
"Whose right?" "What should be done?" And, people like the opinions they have, whatever those
opinions may be; they use their political opinions to feed their sense of self-esteem and social
belonging, for better and for worse.
I have some friends, who are really into a particular sport as fans, not participants. One
guy knows everything about baseball. It is fun to watch a game with him, because he knows when
someone is about to try to steal a base and stuff like that and he can explain the manager's strategy
and has gossip about the players careers and personal lives. And, apparently, he has an encyclopedic
knowledge of baseball history - appears to, anyway: what dramatic thing happened in game 3 of
the 1967 World Series and so on and exactly why everyone hated Ty Cobb.
No one like that shows up at CT to talk politics. Maybe it is just as well. Sports guys can
wield that knowledge and remain affable, but political guys tend to be arrogant and off-putting.
But, I do think we could use more of that spirit sometimes.
I was thinking about what a brilliant innovation the Clinton Foundation is, how well it is
designed to solve the problems of Machiavelli's Prince. But, we would struggle to discuss it in
those terms; the partisan contest means that the CF is either horribly corrupt or prosaically
innocent. The pressure to evaluate it is so high, that seeing the functional details is hard.
I've seen some articles that attempt to understand the CF as a means to the political ambitions
of the Clintons, but they seldom grasp the awesome accomplishment it is in ways that also fully
understand why enemies of the Clintons are keen to attack it and why it so reliably produces the
neoliberal pablum that Thomas Franks despises. If we could imagine a Marx tackling the CF as a
vehicle of class interest, that would be pretty interesting.
"... I believe that the Russians are aware of the fact that the war in Syria is a war by proxy directed against them and against their ally China. It is part of a bigger plan by the US to block Eurasia from having access to the maritime trade roots. In addition, I believe there was a mentioning of the presence of the representatives of the NGOs operating in insurgent territories. And this proves also that the US was using these NGOs as a tool of soft power in order to topple the Syrian regime. ..."
Jamal Wakeem: I believe that this proves that the US was involved in the Syrian
crisis since its onset and that it was collaborating with the so-called insurgents in order to topple
the Syrian regime. In addition, it proves also that the Syrian crisis had its regional and international
dimension since the beginning and it wasn't a revolution against an illegitimate regime, as the West
claimed at one point.
In addition, I believe that it also proves that the Obama administration
didn't give priority to peaceful and political solution for the Syrian crisis. But it used this as
an alternative to its inability to use force when it was confronted by a steadfast position by Russia
who refused to be dragged into another trick by the US similar to what happened in Libya and topple
the Syrian regime.
I believe that the Russians are aware of the fact that the war in Syria is a war by proxy
directed against them and against their ally China. It is part of a bigger plan by the US to block
Eurasia from having access to the maritime trade roots. In addition, I believe there was a mentioning
of the presence of the representatives of the NGOs operating in insurgent territories. And this proves
also that the US was using these NGOs as a tool of soft power in order to topple the Syrian regime.
"... "Rogue Mission: Did the Pentagon Bomb Syrian Army to Kill Ceasefire Deal? Counterpounch". IMO the wrong question keeps getting asked, except by the Russians: "Who's in charge – the White House or the Pentagon?" Is the media too afraid to ask this and is Obama afraid and embarrassed to let it be known? Has POTUS lost control of the military? Will it never by discussed or mentioned by MSM? ..."
"... I think the Overton Window has been successfully shifted by the media since Obama came to power to ensure that any suggestion that he is not calling the shots in foreign policy can be filed under 'conspiracy theories'. Every success is his doing, every failure is due to Republican obstructionism or those dastardly Russians and Chinese. ..."
"... Having said all that, its pretty obvious that Obama has minimal control and quite likes it that way. I think he sees himself as a sort of bored patriarch of a big family, letting them do their own thing with occasional speeches about good behaviour and disciplining only when they have done something outrageously stupid. ..."
"... All those governmental fiefdoms established during the reign of Jr continue unhindered, in part because Obama had no interest in changing anything. So now after 16 years of running the store it probably feels like ownership. If they don't owe you anything then you are just in the way. In partial defense it's hard to see how it could be otherwise without bringing big changes from day one. ..."
"... Obama may be trusting the TPP is postponed during his lame duck session for the same reason. This way he can be viewed as still a loyal "Battle of TPP" foot soldier for "Team Elite", with his future rewards to follow. If the TPP subsequently passes under a President Hillary, the delayed harmful TPP effects could then be attributed to her, not Obama. ..."
"... "If the situation unravels there is the possibility of establishing a declared or undeclared Salafist principality in Eastern Syria (Hasaka and Der Zor) , and this is exactly what the supporting powers to the opposition want, in order to isolate the Syrian regime, which is considered the strategic depth of the Shia expansion (Iraq and Iran)." ..."
"Rogue Mission: Did the Pentagon Bomb Syrian Army to Kill Ceasefire Deal? Counterpounch". IMO the wrong question keeps getting asked, except by the Russians: "Who's in charge –
the White House or the Pentagon?" Is the media too afraid to ask this and is Obama afraid
and embarrassed to let it be known? Has POTUS lost control of the military? Will it never by discussed
or mentioned by MSM?
I think the Overton Window has been successfully shifted by the media since Obama came to power
to ensure that any suggestion that he is not calling the shots in foreign policy can be filed
under 'conspiracy theories'. Every success is his doing, every failure is due to Republican obstructionism
or those dastardly Russians and Chinese.
Having said all that, its pretty obvious that Obama has minimal control and quite likes it
that way. I think he sees himself as a sort of bored patriarch of a big family, letting them do
their own thing with occasional speeches about good behaviour and disciplining only when they
have done something outrageously stupid.
All those governmental fiefdoms established during the reign of Jr continue unhindered, in
part because Obama had no interest in changing anything. So now after 16 years of running the
store it probably feels like ownership. If they don't owe you anything then you are just in the
way. In partial defense it's hard to see how it could be otherwise without bringing big changes
from day one.
Obama's lack of control extends far beyond having an independent military and military grade
spy network. He couldn't even protect his buds living in the house of Saud from mean ole lawsuits.
It was clear the veto wouldn't stand but that Obama Foundation isn't going to build itself. Taking
one for "Team Elite".
Obama may be trusting the TPP is postponed during his lame duck session for the same reason.
This way he can be viewed as still a loyal "Battle of TPP" foot soldier for "Team Elite", with
his future rewards to follow. If the TPP subsequently passes under a President Hillary, the delayed harmful TPP effects could
then be attributed to her, not Obama.
Perhaps he fight for the TPP in the lame duck session just well enough to avoid having it on
his record.
"If the situation unravels there is the possibility of establishing a declared or undeclared
Salafist principality in Eastern Syria (Hasaka and Der Zor) , and this is exactly
what the supporting powers to the opposition want, in order to isolate the Syrian regime, which
is considered the strategic depth of the Shia expansion (Iraq and Iran)."
The latter is the city in question. Here's the Daily Beast not disputing the text (though for far different reasons):
"... Of course the root cause is Baathists aligned with non Sunnis running a sector of land lusted after by the Saudis and GCC. ..."
"... That the US supported the Sunnis (since the Iranians ousted CIA puppets) against the Baathists did not start the civil war, it merely keeps it growing in lust for death and destruction. ..."
"... While that Sep 2012 skirmish in Benghazi included CIA ground troops otherwise there securing the sea lanes supporting Syrian Al Qaeda with Qaddafi's arms, less stingers. ..."
"... "Settle for the crooked, Wall St, war monger because real change is too hard and the other guy is insane, supported by racists and don't think Russia should praise American exceptionalism." ..."
"As for Syria, here too I'm not sure why you think this country caused its civil war, but it
did not."
Of course the root cause is Baathists aligned with non Sunnis running a sector of land lusted
after by the Saudis and GCC.
That the US supported the Sunnis (since the Iranians ousted CIA puppets) against the Baathists
did not start the civil war, it merely keeps it growing in lust for death and destruction.
While that Sep 2012 skirmish in Benghazi included CIA ground troops otherwise there securing
the sea lanes supporting Syrian Al Qaeda with Qaddafi's arms, less stingers.
ilsm August 31, 2016 9:44 pm
"Settle for the crooked, Wall St, war monger because real change is too hard and the other
guy is insane, supported by racists and don't think Russia should praise American exceptionalism."
Obama might as well have voted with Hillary for AUMF forever, he is running it.
"... As General Smedley Butler, twice awarded the Medal of Honor, said: War is a racket . Wars will persist as long as people see them as a "core product," as a business opportunity. In capitalism, the profit motive is often amoral; greed is good, even when it feeds war. Meanwhile, the Pentagon is willing to play along. It always sees "vulnerabilities" and always wants more money. ..."
"... Wars are always profitable for a few, but they are ruining democracy in America. Sure, it's a business opportunity: one that ends in national (and moral) bankruptcy. ..."
A good friend passed along an
article at Forbes from a month ago with the pregnant title, "U.S. Army Fears Major War Likely
Within Five Years - But Lacks The Money To Prepare." Basically, the article argues that war is possible
- even likely - within five years with Russia or North Korea or Iran, or maybe all three, but that
America's army is short of money to prepare for these wars. This despite the fact that America spends
roughly $700 billion each and every year on defense and overseas wars.
Now, the author's agenda is quite clear, as he states at the end of his article: "Several of the
Army's equipment suppliers are contributors to my think tank and/or consulting clients." He's writing
an alarmist article about the probability of future wars at the same time as he's profiting from
the sales of weaponry to the army.
As General Smedley Butler, twice awarded the Medal of Honor, said:
War is a racket
. Wars will persist as long as people see them as a "core product," as a business opportunity.
In capitalism, the profit motive is often amoral; greed is good, even when it feeds war. Meanwhile,
the Pentagon is willing to play along. It always sees "vulnerabilities" and always wants more money.
But back to the Forbes article with its concerns about war(s) in five years with Russia or North
Korea or Iran (or all three). For what vital national interest should America fight against Russia?
North Korea? Iran? A few quick reminders:
#1: Don't get involved in a land war in Asia or with Russia (Charles XII, Napoleon, and Hitler
all learned that lesson the hard way).
#2: North Korea? It's a puppet regime that can't feed its own people. It might prefer war to distract
the people from their parlous existence.
#3: Iran? A regional power, already contained, with a young population that's sympathetic to America,
at least to our culture of relative openness and tolerance. If the US Army thinks tackling Iran would
be relatively easy, just consider all those recent "easy" wars and military interventions in Iraq,
Afghanistan, Libya, Syria
Of course, the business aspect of this is selling the idea the US Army isn't prepared and therefore
needs yet another new generation of expensive high-tech weaponry. It's like convincing high-end consumers
their three-year-old Audi or Lexus is obsolete so they must buy the latest model else lose face.
We see this all the time in the US military. It's a version of planned or
artificial obsolescence . Consider the Air Force. It could easily defeat its enemies with updated
versions of A-10s, F-15s, and F-16s, but instead the Pentagon plans to spend as much as $1.4 trillion
on the shiny new and
under-performing F-35 . The Army has an enormous surplus of tanks and other armored fighting
vehicles, but the call goes forth for a "new generation." No other navy comes close to the US Navy,
yet the call goes out for a new generation of ships.
The Pentagon mantra is always for more and better, which often turns out to be for less and much
more expensive, e.g. the F-35 fighter.
Wars are always profitable for a few, but they are
ruining democracy in America. Sure, it's a business opportunity: one that ends in national (and
moral) bankruptcy.
William J. Astore is a retired lieutenant colonel (USAF). He taught history for fifteen years
at military and civilian schools and blogs at
Bracing Views . He can be reached at [email protected]. Reprinted
from Bracing Views with the author's permission.
"... Notice that this interview fails to mention that the huge influx of refugees into Europe is the direct result of the US creating failed states in the Middle East. ..."
"... Yes. As many have said, critical thinking in DC went out the door with 9/11. Those in DC who shouldn't be in jail, probably should at most be mopping floors at McDonalds. ..."
"... Let's note that pre-9/11 the foreign policy wasn't exactly just/moral/sane. ..."
"... Who cares? Since when did we live in a democracy? How many people wanted the Syrian and Lybian conflicts? ..."
"... Do we all have to die in poverty because our leaders (in the case of these wars, Zionist) pushed war clandestinely? ..."
"... Funny how that logic is never applied to others who are attacked (victims of our foreign policy). They should act like saints and we should bomb more (or, rather, commit genocide). Maybe might makes right, but then say it and stop masquerading as some burdened savior. ..."
"... At this year's celebration a couple of people were badly injured by Ukrainian rightists who reportedly fled back to the Ukraine, escaping justice. And, as I recall, there was a recent report of a French rightist who had received bomb materials from Ukrainians. ..."
"... I recently read accounts of the rise of neo-nazi and right-wing extremist groups in the former DDR after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Apparently they were substantially infiltrated by US and German intelligence services and, as a result, enjoyed a certain level of impunity and de facto ..."
"... On the other hand, the link between US 'intelligence' and Ukrainian neo-nazis is reasonably well established and is unlikely to have sprung into existence moments before their Maidan mobilization. That they would now use their safe harbor in Ukraine as a base for operations across Europe should not be particularly shocking. ..."
"... Okay, I have some serious problems with this. One, Israel is not just Jewish in its composition. Two, not all Jewish people live in Israel. Three, Jewish people lived along side Muslims and Christians for hundreds of years in that region before Britain, the USA and some useful idiot Zionists decided to make a geopolitical springboard in 1948. You may be right that every nation pursues its own agenda, but I'm not concerned about that, I'm concerned about the nation or nations pursuing their agenda(s) that have the most wealth and the biggest bombs. I'm concerned about the ones running the empire, and Israel is a useful servant to that empire. ..."
"... Israel is a nation state. Identifying as Jewish is another matter altogether. Israel is a colony that was formed at the wrong place and the wrong time. They could have pulled it off in the 18th or 19th century (see USA, Canada, Australia, the entire Western Hemisphere), but doing so immediately after a global war that was largely the end result of nation's colonial ambitions was a big no-no. The window of opportunity for such shenanigans had passed and the British, US, and Zionist progenitors of Israel knew better. ..."
"... If AfD opponents simplistically think that the AfD are a rabble of angry closet Neo-Nazis…..boy their moral/intellectual smugness is going to be shattered at the ballot box in the upcoming years. The core of AfD are the German equivalent of ol' time bottom 90% FDR Democrats. ..."
"... FDR was probably the only American president who was not entirely the servant of the capitalist ruling class. His reforms were for the benefit of American workers and he dragged the Democratic party along with him in creating the American social welfare system. He truly favored cooperative competition with the Soviet Union. Believing his vision of liberalism to be superior to Soviet socialism he had none of the knee jerk fear and hatred of them that has always characterized the American ruling class' relationship with Russia – even now 20 years after the collapse of the Soviet Union. He was entirely confident the working class would choose his vision. ..."
"... "Notice that this interview fails to mention that the huge influx of refugees into Europe is the direct result of the US creating failed states in the Middle East." ..."
"... I've always assumed the costs of the Syria intervention - geopolitical insecurity, refugees, etc. were seen as a useful collateral dampener on the rise of a Germany-dominated Europe. Perhaps not sought after, but when those costs were put in the calculus and were seen to affect the European states the most, the cost-shifting became a net enabler. ..."
"... The definitive proof of the Empire of Chaos's real agenda in Syria may be found in a 2012 Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) document declassified in May last year. ..."
"... "THE WEST, GULF COUNTRIES, AND TURKEY [WHO] SUPPORT THE [SYRIAN] OPPOSITION… THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY OF ESTABLISHING A DECLARED OR UNDECLARED SALAFIST PRINCIPALITY IN EASTERN SYRIA (HASAKA AND DER ZOR), AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE SUPPORTING POWERS TO THE OPPOSITION WANT, IN ORDER TO ISOLATE THE SYRIAN REGIME, WHICH IS CONSIDERED THE STRATEGIC DEPTH OF THE SHIA EXPANSION (IRAQ AND IRAN)". ..."
"... It establishes that over four years ago US intel was already hedging its bets between established al-Qaeda in Syria, aka Jabhat al-Nusra, and the emergence of ISIS/ISIL/Daesh, aka the Islamic State. ..."
"... It's already in the public domain that by a willful decision, leaked by current Donald Trump adviser Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, Washington allowed the emergence of the Islamic State – remember that gleaming white Toyota convoy crossing the open desert? – as a most convenient US strategic asset, and not as the enemy in the remixed, never-ending GWOT (Global War on Terra). ..."
Yves: It's amazing how infrequently this point is made in any political debate or news coverage.
(Jeremy Corbyn being one rare example of someone who brings it up.):
Notice that this interview fails to mention that the huge influx of refugees into Europe
is the direct result of the US creating failed states in the Middle East.
If there were any justice, the refugees would be swamping the UK, US, and France in huge numbers,
as those are the countries that cooked up the Libya failed state and also most active in Syria.
Crazy or stupid (your choice) Hollande vowed to increase the French warfare in Syria after the
recent terror attacks in Paris and elsewhere. As though MORE BOMBS ever managed to decrease terrorism,
right?
Though Merkel made her own bed with her "let them all come to Germany!" invitation, and now
she is sleeping in it. Good riddance when and if she goes.
Yes. As many have said, critical thinking in DC went out the door with 9/11. Those in DC
who shouldn't be in jail, probably should at most be mopping floors at McDonalds.
Hey now. I mop floors. I know people who mop floors. Those perps, sir, are not fit to mop floors.
Unless it's in prison. And even then I'm sure they'd suck. Takes integrity to do a humble job
well.
Who cares? Since when did we live in a democracy? How many people wanted the Syrian and
Lybian conflicts? If I recall, war was averted in parliament and congress.
Do we all have to die in poverty because our leaders (in the case of these wars, Zionist)
pushed war clandestinely?
Funny how that logic is never applied to others who are attacked (victims of our foreign
policy). They should act like saints and we should bomb more (or, rather, commit genocide). Maybe
might makes right, but then say it and stop masquerading as some burdened savior.
as James Baldwin said: "aching, nobly, to wade through the blood of savages."
Thanks for posting this Grossman interview. One facet of the development of the far right that
Grossman hints at, and maybe can only do so because there isn't much data, is its transnational
quality. This summer we visited some lefty friends in Lund, Sweden where each year they hold a
large May Day rally.
At this year's celebration a couple of people were badly injured by Ukrainian rightists
who reportedly fled back to the Ukraine, escaping justice. And, as I recall, there was a recent
report of a French rightist who had received bomb materials from Ukrainians.
As I think about, there's an ugly resonance with Yves' noting the refugees are substantially
a result of US policies. The development of a rightist terrorist potential in the Ukraine has
the same general source.
I recently read accounts of the rise of neo-nazi and right-wing extremist groups in the
former DDR after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Apparently they were substantially infiltrated
by US and German intelligence services and, as a result, enjoyed a certain level of impunity and
de facto financial support from these governments. They were also linked to members
of the 'stay behind' organizations (see
Operation Gladio
), and were 'useful' in violently opposing left-wing groups as well as punk rockers. The modern
AfD is strongest in the states of the former DDR, and are the ideological if not logistical heirs
of these right-wing groups. But to conflate 15% of the electorate with semi-pro neo-nazis and
racists is a bit of a stretch. While they are surely motivated by a strong nativist impulse and
anti-immigrant fervor, their voters also represent the kind of disaffected and disenfranchised
populations that carried the Brexit vote to victory.
On the other hand, the link between US 'intelligence' and Ukrainian neo-nazis is reasonably
well established and is unlikely to have sprung into existence moments before their Maidan mobilization.
That they would now use their safe harbor in Ukraine as a base for operations across Europe should
not be particularly shocking.
No, the AfD is not linked to the CIA It is a pro-social welfare, anti-TPP group that also
wants fair migrant exchanges, that is not just to Europe. It is pestered and censored in Germany.
Just expressing support in ways a security agent deems 'offensive' gets you fined and ostracized.
The fight over private property rights continues. Liberal Democracy has failed around the world
due to the unholy alliance with corporate power. Unchecked corporate power has been unmasked as
the destructive force that it truly is.
The left needs to evolve into a political force that can shape the consciousness of the masses
away from individual greed toward the undeniable benefit of cooperative action. The right will
use fear to drive people into some sort of trembling mass and only by combating this fear can
movement be made.
The compromise the left needs to make is to use any means possible, not to seize the means
of production form existing owners, but to start building alternative ones. It is all too easy
for the right to bring out their tried and true methods to hold power. It is time to starve the
beast, and one way is to not participate and build in another direction.
Corporate power is what needs to be broken. From my limited view, the left has always been
a reactionary force. It needs to evolve into a proactive one, literally building something in
the real world. Another major mistake by the left is to reject and confuse the power of religion.
Neoliberalism is a new religion and gains much power by the use of unquestioning faith. The left
has failed to counteract this religious faith because they have not even tried to counter it with
their own. Just as finance has evolved into a military weapon, it can be argued that religion,
in essence, is a military force.
The political landscape is being reshuffled into defining what we are willing to fight and
die for. Until the left starts offering coherent answers to these questions, the status quo will
continue to pick from the low hanging fruit.
Okay, I have some serious problems with this. One, Israel is not just Jewish in its composition.
Two, not all Jewish people live in Israel. Three, Jewish people lived along side Muslims and Christians
for hundreds of years in that region before Britain, the USA and some useful idiot Zionists decided
to make a geopolitical springboard in 1948. You may be right that every nation pursues its own
agenda, but I'm not concerned about that, I'm concerned about the nation or nations pursuing their
agenda(s) that have the most wealth and the biggest bombs. I'm concerned about the ones running
the empire, and Israel is a useful servant to that empire.
Israel is a nation state. Identifying as Jewish is another matter altogether. Israel is
a colony that was formed at the wrong place and the wrong time. They could have pulled it off
in the 18th or 19th century (see USA, Canada, Australia, the entire Western Hemisphere), but doing
so immediately after a global war that was largely the end result of nation's colonial ambitions
was a big no-no. The window of opportunity for such shenanigans had passed and the British, US,
and Zionist progenitors of Israel knew better.
In addition, it is nonsense that we have normalized the formation of a nation state around
a single ethnic or religious identity. Particularly after the Holocaust (the irony of this never
ceases to amaze me). Would we have the same sympathies for the the countless indigenous ethnic
groups in the Americas who, per capita, had even worse genocides inflicted on them, all documented,
all accepted as inevitable or necessary in most histories of the Americas? Israel is a contorted
hypocrisy that has to either embrace heterogeneity of disappear. Ideally as an inclusive country
that is no longer a colony as it has been for hundreds of years. The fetish that is Israel has
been an unfair burden to all people living in the Middle East and Jewish people the world over
that are forced to (through the sheer force of political dogma) shackle their identities to a
racist, rogue state.
" AfD stands for Alternative for Germany. It's a young party, about 2 years old. It's
built basically on racism."
Got more important things to do than rant about the above statement….
Just will quote basic Sun Tzu via Star Trek-know your opponent, know yourself and victory will
be yours.
If AfD opponents simplistically think that the AfD are a rabble of angry closet Neo-Nazis…..boy
their moral/intellectual smugness is going to be shattered at the ballot box in the upcoming years.
The core of AfD are the German equivalent of ol' time bottom 90% FDR Democrats.
And on the other side Sarah Wagenknecht, a leader in the left, hit a lot of flak from many
in her party when she said there needs to be an "Obergrenze" or limit on the number of refugees.
It would hard to call her racist since she is half Persian. It really is a conflict between those
who cannot think realistically….those who are supported or secure enough not to have to take responsibility
for anyone, and those who will need to make the world function. As a Socialist she apparently
is aware that you cannot have a strong social net and combine that with open immigration from
places that have astronomical birthrates that are outgrowing their resources without destroying
that net. I recall Hillary and the open border people attacked Bernie on that as well. I thought
it was unfair and it is this pandering, among other issues, that will keep me from voting for
her. There is a lot of commonality between AfD and the Linke. Don`t forget that the notion of
German population replacement had some currency during and after WW2 in order to permanently solve
the German problem and we may just be actualizing it now.
In fairness, US immigration policy has slowly been getting tougher over the last 16 years.
Immigration policy in the US goes beyond dialect. I doubt Clinton would be overly "easy".
It's easier. Apart from the new Obama rule to issue visas to H1b holders, effectively tripling
the numbers issued but still under the cap, to a myriad of other programs, it's much easier.
Of the several foreign students I've dated, it gets easier every year. Back in 03, one had
to have an accountant degree with CPA certs, and even then, you often were slave labor in Chi-Town
until you hooked up with an American company. Now the black market foreign industry is so large,
that a mere B.A. is enough. The gov doesn't care. Everyone is approved, save the cap.
spooky quatsch comment from oho – hard to tell what oho means with "90% bottom- line fdr dems".
The very diverse FDR / Dem majority coalesced during and in response to economic crisis. The AfD
has emerged during a German boom. It is successful in East Germany, which in the wake of economic
collapse immediately following reunification has been the beneficiary of massive inner-German
transfers. And it is successful in West Germany much of which is effectively at full-employment.
Its core supporters are the 10% of any populazion that is racist, nationalist, and ignorant. You
might try to argue that there is a uniquely irrational fear in Germany, something associated with
its position on the left edge of Eurasia maybe, a heterogenous cultural unit without convincing
access to the sea, trapped if you will and vulnerable to human flows. Sounds silly but it's hard
to account for German fear.
The AfD is using this irrational fear for political gain. FDR was supported largely by voters
with very real fears.
FDR was probably the only American president who was not entirely the servant of the capitalist
ruling class. His reforms were for the benefit of American workers and he dragged the Democratic
party along with him in creating the American social welfare system. He truly favored cooperative
competition with the Soviet Union. Believing his vision of liberalism to be superior to Soviet
socialism he had none of the knee jerk fear and hatred of them that has always characterized the
American ruling class' relationship with Russia – even now 20 years after the collapse of the
Soviet Union. He was entirely confident the working class would choose his vision.
His reactionary political enemies, concentrated in finance capital, had no reason to be
so confident. Their fear and loathing of the working class was/is legitimately earned.
"Notice that this interview fails to mention that the huge influx of refugees into Europe
is the direct result of the US creating failed states in the Middle East."
That's typical of all MSM (not saying TRNN is mainstream) coverage of refugees. There's lots
of discussion and hand-wringing about accepting refugees, but exactly zero about why they're refugees
in the first place.
Yes the US has had a lot to do with destabilizing Asia and Africa but a lot of it has simply
been a continuation of British policy after WW2. As Britain shrank its foreign involvement the
US expanded. But the real cause is the inability of our politicians and leaders to face up to
the reality that population growth is hitting the limits of resource availability in Asia and
Africa and to institute realistic ways to control population. Absent the population explosion
in these regions in the last decades we would not be seeing the poverty and anger and constant
confllict because there would be enough for all. As much bad press as China has gotten for its
population policy it is one of the few bright spots in world economic development. Interestingly
China does not seem very interested in accepting millions of third world refugees.
I've always assumed the costs of the Syria intervention - geopolitical insecurity, refugees,
etc. were seen as a useful collateral dampener on the rise of a Germany-dominated Europe. Perhaps
not sought after, but when those costs were put in the calculus and were seen to affect the European
states the most, the cost-shifting became a net enabler.
In my naïve point of view it hit me last year that it was a brilliant stroke of Angela Merkel
to grab as many refugees as she could before any other country.
They are a tremendous natural resource. One that many modern countries are beginning to see a
coming shortage of. Many countries, like Germany, France, etc are looking at population shortages
in the working age groups. Merkel's grab of this mass of human resource was maybe an accidentally
brilliant idea.
can't tell if the above comment is satire or astroturfing or naivety?
Merkel's migrants have zero higher-level first-world skills. AfD is strong in ex-East Germany
because there is popular resentment as ex-East Germans get austerity shoved down their throats
while Merkel unfurls the red carpet for migrants.
in der Frage nach festen Arbeitsplätzen für Flüchtlinge ruhen die Hoffnungen zunehmend auf
mittelständischen Unternehmen und Handwerksbetrieben. Denn wie eine Umfrage dieser Zeitung ergab,
hat die große Mehrzahl der im deutschen Aktienindex (Dax) notierten Konzerne noch keine Flüchtlinge
eingestellt. Einzig die Deutsche Post gab an, bis Anfang Juni 50 Flüchtlinge und damit eine nennenswerte
Größe fest angestellt zu haben.
Not true. Syrians are very highly educated. Very good public education and high average attainment.
But Merkel was an idiot if she actually did recognize that Syrians were high potential workers
yet did nothing re how to integrate them, most important, acquisition of German and jobs matching.
The fact capitalism is a ponzi scheme is a key here. When the Aristocracy bowed to the Sephardic
bankers, they created this mess. They were the same idiots that bowed to the Christians 1500+
years before.
Maybe it is time for a new aristocracy. If you want to build internally, you have to abolish
capitalism and its market based scam. That is why "right wingers" won't last without the Sephardic
banks via market expansion. They run the scheme and always have. From their immigration into the
Iberian trails during the 15th century, to their financing and eventual leadership into the protestant
reformation, to the first capitalists scheme at Amsterdam to bribing William the Orange into taking
it into old England.
1. Most of the refugees arriving in Europe are Syrian. The US did not act to topple the Syrian
dictator and did not create a new Syrian government. The United States is responsible for these
refugees.
2. A portion of the refugees are Libyan. At the urging of its European allies (not just the
UK), the US helped topple the Libyan government, but has not created a new government. The US
is responsible for these refugees.
3. A portion of the refugees are from Iraq or Afghanistan. The US toppled the old governments
and installed new ones. The US is responsible for these refugees.
4. A significant portion of the refugees are from African countries including Nigeria and Eritrea.
I assume that these aren't included in the statement above as they are not Middle Eastern.
So, in other words – the US is responsible whether or not we intervene and whether or not we
then attempt to set up a government? I wonder under what circumstances you would not view the
US as responsible?
I would suggest, that given the situation in the Middle East and the fact that the results
are similar regardless of US actions something more basic is at work. Most of the nations of the
Middle East and Africa were artificial creations of primarily Britain and France; they are nations
derived neither from ethnic homogeneity nor the consent or shared history of the governed. Whatever,
the United States did or does, they would ultimately have shattered in one way or another and
refugees would have headed for Europe.
Nope, you don't. The US and its Gulf state "allies" are indeed trying to oust Assad and, if
not set up, at least allow the creation of a Salafist regime.
The US Road Map To Balkanize Syria
By Pepe Escobar
September 22, 2016 "Information Clearing House" – "RT" – Forget about those endless meetings
between Sergei Lavrov and John Kerry; forget about Russia's drive to prevent chaos from reigning
in Syria; forget about the possibility of a real ceasefire being implemented and respected
by US jihad proxies.
Forget about the Pentagon investigating what really happened around its bombing 'mistake'
in Deir Ezzor.
The definitive proof of the Empire of Chaos's real agenda in Syria may be found in a
2012 Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) document declassified in May last year.
As you scroll down the document, you will find page 291, section C, which reads (in caps,
originally):
"THE WEST, GULF COUNTRIES, AND TURKEY [WHO] SUPPORT THE [SYRIAN] OPPOSITION… THERE
IS THE POSSIBILITY OF ESTABLISHING A DECLARED OR UNDECLARED SALAFIST PRINCIPALITY IN EASTERN
SYRIA (HASAKA AND DER ZOR), AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE SUPPORTING POWERS TO THE OPPOSITION
WANT, IN ORDER TO ISOLATE THE SYRIAN REGIME, WHICH IS CONSIDERED THE STRATEGIC DEPTH OF
THE SHIA EXPANSION (IRAQ AND IRAN)".
The DIA report is a formerly classified SECRET/NOFORN document, which made the rounds
of virtually the whole alphabet soup of US intel, from CENTCOM to CIA, FBI, DHS, NGA and the
State Department.
It establishes that over four years ago US intel was already hedging its bets between
established al-Qaeda in Syria, aka Jabhat al-Nusra, and the emergence of ISIS/ISIL/Daesh, aka
the Islamic State.
It's already in the public domain that by a willful decision, leaked by current Donald
Trump adviser Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, Washington allowed the emergence of the Islamic State
– remember that gleaming white Toyota convoy crossing the open desert? – as a most convenient
US strategic asset, and not as the enemy in the remixed, never-ending GWOT (Global War on Terra).
It's as clear as it gets; a "Salafist principality" is to be encouraged as a means
to Divide and Rule over a fragmented Syria in perpetual chaos. Whether it's established
by Jabhat al-Nusra – aka "moderate rebels" in Beltway jargon – or al-Baghdadi's "Califake"
is just a pesky detail.
It gets curioser and curioser as Hasaka and Deir Ezzor are named in the DIA report – and
directly targeted by the 'mistaken' Pentagon bombing. No wonder Pentagon chief Ash 'Empire
of Whining' Carter took no prisoners to directly sabotage what Kerry had agreed on with Lavrov.
No one will ever see these connections established by US corporate media – as in, for instance,
the neocon cabal ruling the Washington Post's editorial pages. But the best of the blogosphere
does not disappoint.
The rest is just blame-shifting that conveniently let's the US off the hook.
Have you not read any press in the last 5 years, or do you just make a habit of making shit
up? The US has been trying to topple Assad for God only knows how long. What, for instance, do
you think the desperate fig leaf of trying to claim that we are supporting non-existant "moderate
Syrian rebels" is about?
"the danger of this right wing group mostly in the form of parties which is by the way it gets
its votes by being anti-immigrant, anti-foreigner, and especially anti-Muslimism. That�'s their
big call."
Just watched Samantha Powers speak at the emergency UN security counsel meeting on Syria, how
she managed to keep a straight face is completely beyond me.
Basically Russia needs to take responsibility for its actions in Syria and the war would be
over if those damn Russians would GTFO and quit disrupting the US and GCC regime change operations.
It appears everything would be going swimmingly if Russia would just leave the "rebels" alone
and let the US turn Syria into Libya, I mean is that so much to ask for? /S
The people Obama has chosen to represent him are almost all fanatics. Samantha Power and Ash
Carter stand out as true psychopaths. Carter actually openly defied Obama on the Syria ceasefire.
Robert Parry has an excellent piece out today on the
rush to judgment about the attack on the humanitarian convoy.
It has been particularly infuriating to see the Chanel-suited Berkeley types be the ones to
embrace imperial fascist war-making with such glee.
I happened to recognize Susan Rice travelling sans bodyguard with her girlfriend at the airport
in Chiang Mai Thailand and had a delicious time giving her a full piece of my mind. Unedited truth
to power with nowhere to hide, she reacted with a glaze that said "you are just an idiot peon"
but I could see she was shaken.
"... Re the Oilprice link ( The Natural Gas War Burning Under Syria OilPrice (resilc)) , here's an article that contradicts the notion that US policy in Syria was about the Qatari pipeline as that claim–put forth in a Politico article by Robert Kennedy Jr–was little more than a poorly sourced rumor. ..."
"... The US decision to support Turkey, Qatar and Saudi Arabia in their ill-conceived plan to overthrow the Assad regime was primarily a function of the primordial interest of the US permanent war state in its regional alliances. ..."
"... In other words the MIC strikes again and seems to be directly challenging Obama policies with "accidents" like the recent bombing of the Syrian army. Time for movie fans to dust off old copies of Seven Days in May? ..."
Re the Oilprice link (
The Natural Gas War Burning Under Syria OilPrice (resilc)) , here's an article that contradicts
the notion that US policy in Syria was about the Qatari pipeline as that claim–put forth in a
Politico article by Robert Kennedy Jr–was little more than a poorly sourced rumor.
That claim has no credibility for a very simple reason: there was no Qatari proposal for
Syria to reject in 2009. It was not until October 2009 that Qatar and Turkey even agreed to
form a working group to develop such a gas pipeline project.
Gareth Porter says that instead
The US decision to support Turkey, Qatar and Saudi Arabia in their ill-conceived plan to
overthrow the Assad regime was primarily a function of the primordial interest of the US permanent
war state in its regional alliances. The three Sunni allies control US access to the key US
military bases in the region, and the Pentagon, the CIA, the State Department and the Obama
White House were all concerned, above all, with protecting the existing arrangements for the
US military posture in the region[….]
The massive, direct and immediate power interests of the US war state – not the determination
to ensure that a pipeline would carry Qatar's natural gas to Europe – drove the US policy of
participation in the war against the Syrian regime. Only if activists focus on that reality
will they be able to unite effectively to oppose not only the Syrian adventure but the war
system itself.
In other words the MIC strikes again and seems to be directly challenging Obama policies with
"accidents" like the recent bombing of the Syrian army. Time for movie fans to dust off old copies
of Seven Days in May?
Porter may well be right about the pipeline. However, a piece that purports to account for our
Syria operations and the obsession with the removal of Assad that does not mention Israel and the
Israel Lobby cannot be the complete story. Breaking the 'Shia Crescent' is a major strategic aim
of the friends of Israel.
Without a doubt the Lobby keeps the liberals–the "progressives except for Palestine"–supporting
the fever dreams of the generals, but arguably it's this internal, and traditionally rather Waspy
pressure group that is the real menace. As the following quite accurately points out, we have a WW2
military with nothing to do with itself unless they can invent a suitable enemy.
We live in a military world fundamentally different from that of the last century. All-out
wars between major powers, which is to say nuclear powers, are unlikely since they would last
about an hour after they became all-out, and everyone knows it. In WWII Germany could convince
itself, reasonably and almost correctly, that Russia would fall in a summer, or the Japanese that
a Depression-ridden, unarmed America might decide not to fight. Now, no. Threaten something that
a nuclear power regards as vital and you risk frying. So nobody does.
Or, to sum up
What is the relevance of the Pentagon? How do you bomb a trade agreement?
The generals and admirals need a Russian foe to justify their absurd budgets and their very existence.
It's ironic that our great victory in WW2–triumph of industrial America–may end up doing us more
long term harm than those European and Asian nations that were bombed into ashes. You can rebuild
cities but dismantling imperial hubris turns out to be harder.
Occam would probably just say that the Cold War never ended for our geniuses-in-chief, despite
dissolving away in 1989 our enemy is and always was and will be Russia uber alles. The simple fact
that they back Assad is all it took, yes add in a sprinkle of Tehran and Tel Aviv and goose with
a little juice from Riyadh but the overnight disappearance of our existential enemy was something
up with which we could not put.
"... "Syria conflict: UN chief 'appalled' by Aleppo escalation" Translation: "Oh no, our proxies are surrounded and being ground into dust. Human rights! Human rights! Please stop bombing!" ..."
"... You mean there are Kurds in their Way? ..."
"... Not sure what you're getting at. Kurds have little role in the battle for Aleppo. They have a small bit of territory in the north of the city and helped to secure the Castello road, but that's it. ..."
"Syria conflict: UN chief 'appalled' by Aleppo escalation" Translation: "Oh no, our proxies are surrounded and being ground into dust. Human rights!
Human rights! Please stop bombing!"
Not sure what you're getting at. Kurds have little role in the battle for Aleppo. They have
a small bit of territory in the north of the city and helped to secure the Castello road, but
that's it.
Mother Agnes Mariam
, a nominee for the 2014 Nobel Peace Prize from Homs diocese, has some harsh
words
for the US war against Syria
: "Shame on a coalition who pretends fighting ISIS while in reality is helping ISIS killing innocent
soldiers whose mission is to protect civilians."
This is in response to the September 17 US airstrikes in Deir ez-Zor that massacred 62 Syrian
soldiers and injured 100 more who have been fighting ISIS.
[1] According to a June 2015
Time magazine
article, Deir ez-Zor with a population of 228,000 has been under
siege by ISIS
the past years, relying on the nightly arrival of a large Syrian air-force-operated cargo plane which
has a payload of more than 46 tons and transports munitions, food and medical supplies.
Starving babies in Deir ez-Zor
This much needed aid is flown out from the military air base southeast of the city, the target
of ISIS the past years and now bombed by US jet fighters. During the bombing, ISIS launched a simultaneous
attack and threatened to overrun the air base as well as slaughter the over 200,000 civilians. Deir
ez-Zor is also home to a large
Christian population protected by the Syrian government, similar to most other Christian inhabited
cities that are in government-controlled areas along the coast.
Map of Christian population in Syria
However, the Syrian army was able to repel the ISIS offensive and recover lost territory after
the US "mistaken" attacks, but the incident has again left many wondering whether US goal is really
to counter terrorism or to conduct
regime change
in Syria.
Meanwhile, the Syrian people continue to face prolonged agony and suffering as regional and great
powers use them as pawns for their geopolitical ambitions.
E
dward Dark , an activist in
Aleppo , noted back in 2013 that Syrians watched how their peaceful revolution was hijacked by
Turkey/Saudi and other Arab Gulf states, pouring in Salafists from over
100 countries
that morphed into ISIS, Al Nusra, and others that care nothing for the norms of human rights,
democracy, or justice for the Syrian nation. He admitted, "People here don't like the regime, but
they hate the rebels even more."
Now Dark sees Syria's only salvation is through reconciliation and a renunciation of violence,
but lamented "that is not a view shared by the warmongers and power brokers who still think that
more Syrian blood should be spilled to appease the insatiable appetites of their sordid aspirations."
A girl helping her dad with his shoe
Just as King Solomon determined the true mother of the baby is the one who refused to split her
son in half, the champion of the Syrian people and human rights is the power that would place the
Syrians' welfare above its own selfish ambitions.
Nonetheless, Dark lamented that "Whatever is left of Syria at the end will be carved out between
the wolves and vultures that fought over its bleeding and dying corpse, leaving us, the Syrian people
to pick up the shattered pieces of our nation and our futures."
Indeed, it seems US and its Salafist allies are bent on splitting the Syrian baby and cleansing
it of ethnic and religious minorities with a Taliban-like regime and Shaira Law, and Deir ez-Zor
is likely condemned to suffer the similar fate of Homs.
In Homs, the pre-conflict population was more than 1 million people of mostly Sunni Muslims with
substantial Christian and Alawite communities. Peter Crowley, senior foreign affairs correspondent
at Politico , in August 2015 tweeted an
extract from a 2008 Lonely Planet travel guide of Homs.
"These days, its Christian neighborhood is one of Syria's most welcoming and relaxed, and Homs'
citizens are some of the country's friendliest…That, combined with the city's myriad leafy parks
and gardens, sprawling al fresco coffee shop, outdoor corn-on-the-cob stands and restored souq where
artisans still work, make Homs a wonderful place to kick back for a couple of days."
In eight years, Homs has changed from a "wonderful place" to a ruinous heap. With the ceasefire
likely to break down as Salafist rebels rearm and regroup, US and Saudi/Qatar/Turkey are well on
the march towards turning Syria into another Afghanistan in the Mediterranean.
[1] Nancy A. Youssef, "Did the U.S. Just Slaughter Syrian Troops?
The Daily Beast , September 18, 2016.
Dr. Christina Lin is a Fellow at the Center for Transatlantic Relations
at SAIS-Johns Hopkins University where she specializes in China-Middle East/Mediterranean relations,
and a research consultant for Jane's Chemical, Biological, Radiological, and Nuclear Intelligence
Centre at IHS Jane's.
A pretty devious scheme -- creating difficulty for the government neoliberal
wanted to depose by pushing neoliberal reforms via IMF and such. They channeling
the discontent into uprising against the legitimate government. Similar process
happened with Yanukovich in Ukraine.
Notable quotes:
"... the Syrian government put staying in power via adopting neoliberal strictures ahead of the welfare of Syrians ..."
"... it doesn't make President Assad virtuous of himself and neither does it reflect the reality that when push came to shove Assad put his position ahead of the people of Syria and kissed neoliberal butt. ..."
"... President Assad revealed his stupidity when he didn't pay attention to what happens to a leader who has previously been featured as a 'tyrant' in western media if he lets the neoliberals in: They fawn & scrape all the while developing connections to undermine him/her. If the undermining is ineffective there is no backing off. The next option is war. The instances are legion from President Noriega of Panama to President Hussein of Iraq to Colonel Ghaddaffi of Libya - that one really hurts as the Colonel was a genuinely committed and astute man. Assad is just another hack in comparison. ..."
"... Syrian leaders are politicians, they suffer the same flaws of politicians across the world. They are power seekers who inevitably come to regard the welfare of their population as a means to an end rather than an end in itself. ..."
"... No one denies that the opposition have been used and abused by FUKUSi, but that of itself does not invalidate the very real issues that persuaded them to resist an austerity imposed from above by assholes who weren't practicing what they preached. ..."
"... According to the European model of diplomacy imposed upon the globe, countries have interests not friends. ..."
"... A solution which reduces numbers of humans killed is worth attempting. ..."
"... Just because someone chooses an option that you disagree with does not make them evil or headchoppers or Islamofacist. ..."
"... On balance I would rather see Assad continue as leader of Syria but I'm not so naive as to believe he is capable of finding a long term resolution, or that there are not a good number of self interested murderous sadists in his crew. ..."
"... This war is about destroying real history, civilization, culture and replacing with fake. The war in Yemen is the same. Who in that region wants to replace real history with fake. Think about it. Most Islamic,Christian, Assyrian history is systematically being destroyed. ..."
"... you make some good points concerning Assad flirting with neoliberalism however, i don't know how you call an opposition 'moderate' when its toting firearms. ..."
"... The protests against Assad were moderate, and to his credit Assad was willing to meet them halfway. However, this situation was exploited by (((foreign powers))) ..."
"... This is not about "good or evil", this is about TOW missiles made in USA against T-55, Saudi money for mercenaries, Israeli regional ambitions and so on. Syria is another country that the US wants to destroy. Six years ago Syria was a peaceful country. ..."
"... Allegedly president Assad is a bad guy but Erdogan, Netanyhu and bin Saud are noble and good men. Who believes in such nonsense? The US has become similar to Israel and this is the reason why "Assad must go". Sick countries do sick things. ..."
"... no, because one side is so simplistically evi l(armed to the fucking teeth and resolved to violent insurrection!!!), if Assad didn't have the backing of the vast majority of his people and of his overreached army it would have ended a long time ago and Syria would be a failed state flailing away in the grip of anarchy. perhaps your Syrian 'friends' should meditate on this naked truth. ..."
"... when that shitty little country called Israel was squeezed onto the map in 1948, Syria welcomed Palestinian refugees with open arms by the hundreds of thousands. no, they didn't grant them citizenship, but prettty much all other rights. ..."
"... This whole nightmare was dreamed up from within the US Embassy in Damascus in 2006. Bashir al Assad was too popular in the country and the region for America's liking, so they plotted to get rid of him. Near all the organ eating, child killing, head chopping "moderate" opposition are from other countries, those that are Syrian, as was the case in Iraq, mostly live outside the country and are not in touch with main stream opinion, but very in touch with US, Saudi etc $$$s. ..."
"... I consider Bashar al-Assad the legitimate Syrian President and attempts to remove him by external interests as grounds for charges of crimes against humanity, crimes of war. ..."
"... As one of the bloggers rightly stated Wesley Clarke spilled the whole beans and revealed their true ilk. 7 countries in 5 years. How coincidental post 9/11. ..."
"... If you say "Assad was flirting with Neo Liberalism" then this is actually a compliment to Assad. Why? Because he wanted to win time. He wanted to prevent the same happening to Syria that has happened to Iraq. At that time there was no other protective power around. Russia was still busy recovering. ..."
"... As demeter said Posted by: Demeter @14, the flirrting with neoliberalism bought them time as neocons were slavering for a new target. It also made the inner circle a ridiculous amount of money. Drought made life terrible for many rural syrians. When the conflict started, if you read this website you'd notice people wondering what was going on and as facts unfolded. realizing that Assad was the lesser of two evils, and as the war has gone on, look like an angel in comparison to the opposition. ..."
"... Salafism is Racism. It de-egitimizes the entire anti Assad revolution. ..."
"... Wesley Clark's "seven countries in five years" transcript for anyone who has forgotten: http://genius.com/General-wesley-clark-seven-countries-in-five-years-annotated ..."
"... the armed conflict originated with scheming by foreign governments to use extremists as a weapon. ..."
"... Furthermore, Debsisdead sets up the same "binary division" that he says he opposes by tarnishing those who oppose using extremists as a weapon of state as Assad loving racists. The plot was described by Sy Hersh in 2007 in "The Redirection" . ..."
"... The fight IS "binary". You support Assad and his fighters, the true rebels, or you don't. Calling Assad a "hack" is a slander of a veritable hero. Watch his interviews. Assad presides over a multi-cultural, multi-confessional, diverse, secular state, PRECISELY what the Reptilians claim they cherish. ..."
"... "the Syrian government put staying in power via adopting neoliberal strictures ahead of the welfare of Syrians." - on that we can agree. ..."
"... It continues to annoy me that the primary trigger for the civil war in Syria has been totally censored from the press. The government deliberately ignited a population explosion, making the sale or possession of condoms or birth control pills illegal and propagandizing that it was every woman's patriotic duty to have six kids. The population doubled every 18 years, from 5 million to 10 million to 20 million and then at 22 the water ran out and things fells apart. Syria is a small country mostly arid plateau, in principle it could be developed to support even more people just not in that amount of time and with the resources that the Syrians actually had. ..."
"... It doesn't mean he's a saint that Assad is leading the very popular 'secular/multi-confessional Syria' resistance against an extremely well-funded army primarily of non-Syrians who are mainly 'headchoppers' who will stop at nothing to impose Saudi-style religious dictatorship on Syria. ..."
"... The 'moderate' opposition to Assad has largely disappeared (back into the loyal opposition that does NOT want a Saudi-style state imposed on Syria), but those who remain in armed rebellion surely must know that they are a powerless, very small portion of what is in fact mercenary army completely subservient to the needs and directives of its primary funders/enablers, the US and Saudi Arabia. So whatever their original noble intentions, they've become part of the Saudi/US imperial problem. ..."
"... All that land, all that resource...and a unifying language. Amazing. If only the Arab world could unite for the collective good of the region we might witness a rogue state in an abrupt and full decline. A sad tactic of colonial powers over the years, setting the native tribes upon each other. We've not evolved here. ..."
"... t in recent history the foreign policy of powerful nations is aimed at sponsoring social disintegration within the borders of targeted countries. ..."
"... Ethnic cleansing means destruction of culture, of historical memory, the forced disappearance of communities that were rooted in a place. ..."
"... Compare President Assad's leadership to that of the western, or Saudi, sponsors of terror; or measure his decisions against those of the hodgepodge of rebels and mercenaries, with their endless internal squabbles and infighting. Assad is so much more of a spokesman for the rights of sovereignty, and his words carry more weight and outshine the banalities that spring from the mouths of those who are paying the bills, and supplying weapons, and giving all kinds of diplomatic comfort to the enemies of the Syrian government. ..."
"... There is no need for sorting things into absolutes of good and evil. But there is a condition under which fewer, a lot fewer, humans would have died in Syria, Without foreign interference--money, weapons, and training--Assad's government would have won this war quite a while ago. ..."
"... And as for "Islamic Fundamentalism", it is this abnormal form of Islam that is purely based on racism and not the other way around. Islamic fundamentalists call everybody, and I mean everybody, who is not living according to their rule a non-believer, a Takfiri, who does not deserver to live. ..."
"... Fundamentalism is never satisfied until it can become a tyranny over the mind. Racism and fundamentalism are as American as apple pie. You have to take a close look at who is pouring oil on this fire! ..."
"... I disagree with you in that neoliberalism is seriously not difficult to define. It boils down to belief that public programs are bad/'inefficient' and that society would be better served by privatizing many things(or even everything) and opening services up to 'competition'. It's mainly just cover for parasites to come in and get rich off of the masses misery. The 'neoliberalism is just a snarl word' meme is incredibly stupid, since plenty of books and articles have been written explicitly defining it. ..."
"... American economic hegemony is inherently neoliberal, and has been for decades. The IMF is essentially an international loan shark that gives countries money on the condition that they dismantle their public spending apparatus and let the market run things. ..."
"... The situation is different now. One Syrian lady, who came to see me in April, who lives in California, told me that her father, who was a big pre-war oppositionist, now just wants to return to Syria to die. There's no question. if you want peace in Syria, Asad is the only choice. The jihadis, who dominate the opposition, don't offer an alternative. ..."
"... The lesson of Viet Nam was to keep the dead and wounded off the six o'clock news. ..."
"... The jackals are going in. Another coup. Syria was on the list. Remap the Middle East. Make it like Disney World. Israel as Mad King Ludwig's Neuschwanstein. ..."
"... I don't think anyone who comments here regularly ever assumed that Bashar al Assad was a knight in white shining armour. Most of us are aware of how he came to be President and that his father did rule the country from 1971 to 2000 with an iron fist. Some if not most also know that initially when Bashar al Assad succeeded to the Presidency, he did have a reformist agenda in mind. How well or not he succeeded in putting that across, what compromises he had to make, who or what opposed him, how he negotiated his way between and among various and opposed power structures in Syrian politics we do not know. ..."
"... Yes, I have trouble reconciling the fact that Bashar al Assad's government did allow CIA renditioning with his reformist agenda in my own head. That is something he will have to come to terms with in the future. I don't know if Assad was naive, under pressure or willing, even eager in agreeing to cooperate with the CIA, or trying to buy time to prepare for invasion once Iraq was down. Whether Assad also realises that he was duped by the IMF and World Bank in following their advice on economic "reforms" (such as privatising Syria's water) is another thing as well. ..."
"... I don't see why you call the problem "Islamic fundamentalism" when in fact it is Sunni fundamentalism. ..."
"... Manifest Destiny is fundamentalism. ..."
"... "Full Spectrum Dominance" and other US Military doctrines are fundamentalist in nature. ..."
"... I have no doubt that Assad was little more than a crude Arab strongman/dictator prince back in the 2011 when the uprising started. Since then, he has evolved into a committed, engaged defender of his country against multilateral foreign aggression, willingly leaving his balls in the vice and all. ..."
"... He could have fled the sinking ship many times so far. Instead, he decided to stay and fight the Takfiri river flowing in through the crack, and risk going down with the ship he inherited. The majority of the Syrians know this very well. ..."
"... Bashar of 2016 (not so much the one of 5 1/2 years ago) would not only win the next free elections, but destroy any opposition. The aggressors know that as a fact. ..."
"... if Syria had control over its borders with Turkey, Israel, Jordan and Iraq would the war have ended a long time ago ? Answer honestly. ..."
"... If yes, then the so-called "opposition" of the union of headchoppers does not represent a significant portion of the Syrian people. Were it otherwise Assad wouldnt be able to survive a single year, let alone 5. With or without foreign help. ..."
"... OK here is an interesting article from 2011 on Abdallah Dardari, the fellow who persuaded Bashar al Assad to adopt the disastrous neoliberal economic reforms that not only ruined Syria's economy and the country's agriculture in particular but also created an underclass who resented the reforms and who initially joined the "rebels". http://english.al-akhbar.com/node/2097 ..."
"... And where is Dardari now? He jumped ship in 2011 and went to Beirut to work for the UN's Economic and Social Commission for Western Asia (ESCWA). He seems like someone to keep a watchful eye on. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_Dardari ..."
"... of COURSE assad flirted with the west. between housing cia rendition houses and the less-than-flattering aspects of the wikileaks "syria files", assad and/or his handlers (family and/or military) have tried a little too hard to "assimilate" to western ideals (or the lack thereof). ..."
"... i seriously doubt they will make that mistake again. they saw what happened to al-qaddafi after he tried to play nice and mistook western politicians for human beings. they've learned their lesson and become more ruthless but they were always machiavellians because they have to be. not an endorsement, just an acceptance of how the region is. ..."
"... also: israel, the saudis (along with qatar and the other GCC psychopaths in supporting capacity) and the US are the main actors and throwing european "powers" into the circle of actual power does them an undue favor by ignoring their status as pathetic vassal states. "FrUkDeUSZiowhatever" isn't necessary. ..."
"... Look I know the MSM is utterly controlled - but the extent of that control still shocks at times. It is simply not possible to be "informed" by any normal definition of the word anymore without the alternative media - and for that reason this site serves a valuable purpose and I once again thank the host and contributors. ..."
"... The irony is, Assad is 10x smarter and bigger person than Debs. Yes, he made some mistakes, but if not "flirting with neoliberalism", war against Syria would have started many years earlier, when Resistance wasnt ready one bit (neither Russia, nor Iran, while on the other hand US was more powerful). ..."
"... Support for rebel groups was misguided at best at the beginning of the war. One could conceivably not appreciate the capacity of the KSA/USA/Quatar/Israel to influence and control and create these groups. Jesus it's hard for me to think of a single local opposition group that isnt drenched in fanaticism besides the Kurds. ..."
"... There's no way to a solution for the Syrian people, the population not imported that is, if these groups win. I hate to be so binary but its so naive in my eyes to think anything good will come from the long arm of the gulf countries and the USA taking control. ..."
"... As I've said repeatedly, the GOAL of the Syria crisis for the Western elites, Israel and the ME dictatorships is to take Syria OUT by any means necessary in order to get to IRAN. Nothing else matters to these people. In the same vein, nothing else matters to ninety percent of the CURRENT insurgents than to establish some Salafist state, exterminate the Shia, etc., etc. ..."
"... So, yes, right NOW the whole story is about US elites, Zionist "evil", corrupt monarchs, and scumbag fanatics, etc., etc. Until THAT is resolved, nothing about how Syria is being run is going to matter. ..."
"... Copeland @60: No, I don't think the problem is fundamentalism. It's the warring crusade method of spreading a belief's 'empire' that is the problem. This is a problem uniquely of the Saudi 'do whatever it takes' crusade to convert the entire 'Arab and Muslim world' to their worst, most misogynist form of Islam. ..."
"... Just want to mention that from the beginning there were people who took up arms against the government. This is why the situation went out of control. People ambushed groups of young soldiers. Snipers of unknown origin fired on police and civilians. ..."
"... I rather like Assad. I won't lie. But, he is not the reason for the insurrection in Syria ~ well, except for his alliances with Russia and Iran and his pipeline decisions and his support for Palestinian and Iraqi refugees. What happened in Syria is happening all over the globe because the nation with the most resources in the world, the self-declared exceptionalist state thinks this is the way to rule the world. . . . because they want to rule and they don't care how much destruction it takes to do so. And lucky for us there is no one big enough and bad enough to do it to us - except for our own government. ..."
"... There were a lot of people posting how Bashar al Assad was doing full neoliberalism. And at was true. ..."
"... So Assad was hit by a Tri-horror: global warming, dwindling cash FF resources, and IMF-type pressure, leaving out the trad. enemies, KSA, pipelines , etc. MSM prefer to cover up serious issues with 'ethnic strife' (sunni, shia, black lives matter, etc.) ..."
It is sad to see so many are so locked into their particular views that they
see any offering of an alternative as 'neoliberal' or laughable or - if it weren't
so serious - Zionist.
1/ I do not see the Syrian civil war as racist or race based, I do believe
however that the rejection of all Islamic fundamentalism as being entirely comprised
of 'headchoppers' is racist down to its core. It is that same old same old whitefella
bullshit which refuses to consider other points of view on their own terms but
considers everything through the lens of 'western' culture which it then declares
wanting and discards.
2/ Noirette comes close to identifying one of the issues that kicked
off the conflict, that the Syrian government put staying in power via adopting
neoliberal strictures ahead of the welfare of Syrians. I realize many have
quite foolishly IMO, adopted President Assad as some sort of model of virtue
- mostly because he is seen to be standing up to American imperialism. That
is a virtuous position but it doesn't make President Assad virtuous of himself
and neither does it reflect the reality that when push came to shove Assad put
his position ahead of the people of Syria and kissed neoliberal butt.
3/ President Assad revealed his stupidity when he didn't pay attention
to what happens to a leader who has previously been featured as a 'tyrant' in
western media if he lets the neoliberals in: They fawn & scrape all the while
developing connections to undermine him/her. If the undermining is ineffective
there is no backing off. The next option is war. The instances are legion from
President Noriega of Panama to President Hussein of Iraq to Colonel Ghaddaffi
of Libya - that one really hurts as the Colonel was a genuinely committed and
astute man. Assad is just another hack in comparison.
4/ These Syrian leaders are politicians, they suffer the same flaws of
politicians across the world. They are power seekers who inevitably come to
regard the welfare of their population as a means to an end rather than an end
in itself.
5/ My Syrians friends are an interesting bunch drawn from a range of people
currently living inside and outside of Syria. Some longer term readers might
recall that I'm not American, don't live in America and nowadays don't visit
much at all. The first of the 'refugee' Syrians I got to know, although refugee
is a misnomer since my friend came here on a migrant's visa because his skills
are in demand, is the grandchild of Palestinian refugees - so maybe he is a
refugee but not in the usual sense. Without going into too many specifics as
this is his story not mine, he was born and lived in a refugee camp which was
essentially just another Damascus suburb. As he puts it, although a Palestinian
at heart, he was born in Syria and when he thinks of home it is/was Damascus.
All sides in the conflict claimed to support Palestinian liberation, yet he
and his family were starved out of their homes by both Syrian government militias
and the FSA.
When he left he was initially a stateless person because even though he was
born in Syria he wasn't entitled to Syrian citizenship. He bears no particular
grudge against the government there but he told me once he does wish they were
a lot smarter.
On the other hand he also understands why the people fighting the government
are doing so. I'm not talking about the leadership of course (see above - pols
are pols) but the Syrians who just couldn't take the fading future and the petty
oppression by assholes any longer.
6/ No one denies that the opposition have been used and abused by FUKUSi,
but that of itself does not invalidate the very real issues that persuaded them
to resist an austerity imposed from above by assholes who weren't practicing
what they preached.
I really despair at the mindset which reduces everything to a binary division
- if group A are the people I support they must all be wonderful humans and
group B those who are fighting Group A are all evil assholes.
If group A claim to support Palestinian self determination (even though they
have done sweet fuck all to actually advance that cause) then everyone in Group
B must be pro-Zionist even though I don't know what they say about it (the leadership
of the various resistance groups are ME politicians and therefore most claim
to also support Palestinian independence). Yes assholes in the opposition have
done sleazy deals with Israel over Golan but the Ba'ath administration has done
similar opportunist sell outs over the 40 years when the situation demanded
it.
I fucking hate that as much as anyone else who despises the ersatz state
of Israel, but the reality is that just about every ME leader has put expedience
ahead of principle with regard to Palestine. Colonel Ghadaffi would be the only
leader I'm aware of who didn't. Why do they? That is what all pols and diplomats
do not just Arab ones. According to the European model of diplomacy imposed
upon the globe, countries have interests not friends.
As yet no alternative to that model has succeeded since any attempt to do
so has been rejected with great violence. The use of hostages offered by each
party to guarantee a treaty was once an honorable solution, the hostages were
well treated and the security they afforded reduced conflict - if Oblamblam
had to put up one of his daughters to guarantee a deal does anyone think he
would break it as easily as he currently does? Yet the very notion of hostages
is considered 'terrorism' in the west. But I digress.
The only points I wanted to make was the same as those I have already made:
A solution which reduces numbers of humans killed is worth attempting.
Just because someone chooses an option that you disagree with does
not make them evil or headchoppers or Islamofacist.
On balance I would rather see Assad continue as leader of Syria
but I'm not so naive as to believe he is capable of finding a long term
resolution, or that there are not a good number of self interested murderous
sadists in his crew. By the same token I don't believe all of those
resisting the Ba'athist administration are headchopping jihadists or foreign
mercenaries. This war is about 5 years old. If either side were so simplistically
good or evil it would have ended a long time ago.
Plus one more - it is humorous and saddening to see people throw senseless
name-calling into the mix. It is the method preferred by those who are too
stupid and ill informed to develop a logical point of view.
If you want to call me a Zionist lackey of the imperialists or whatever it
was go right ahead - it is only yourself who you tarnish, I'm secure in the
knowledge of my own work against imperialism, corporate domination and Zionism
but perhaps you, who have a need to throw aspersions are not?
Posted by b on September 12, 2016 at 03:33 AM |
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Plus one more - it is humorous and saddening to see people throw senseless
name-calling into the mix. It is the method preferred by those who are
too stupid and ill informed to develop a logical point of view.
why you think your article is different from others senseless name-calling,
i see exactly the same.
This war is about destroying real history, civilization, culture
and replacing with fake. The war in Yemen is the same. Who in that region
wants to replace real history with fake. Think about it. Most Islamic,Christian,
Assyrian history is systematically being destroyed.
you make some good points concerning Assad flirting with neoliberalism
however, i don't know how you call an opposition 'moderate' when its toting
firearms.
The protests against Assad were moderate, and to his credit Assad
was willing to meet them halfway. However, this situation was exploited
by (((foreign powers)))
If either side were so simplistically good or evil it would have ended
a long time ago.
This is not about "good or evil", this is about TOW missiles made in
USA against T-55, Saudi money for mercenaries, Israeli regional ambitions
and so on. Syria is another country that the US wants to destroy. Six years
ago Syria was a peaceful country.
Allegedly president Assad is a bad guy but Erdogan, Netanyhu and
bin Saud are noble and good men. Who believes in such nonsense? The US has
become similar to Israel and this is the reason why "Assad must go". Sick
countries do sick things.
If either side were so simplistically good or evil it would have
ended a long time ago
no, because one side is so simplistically evi l(armed to the fucking
teeth and resolved to violent insurrection!!!), if Assad didn't have the
backing of the vast majority of his people and of his overreached army it
would have ended a long time ago and Syria would be a failed state flailing
away in the grip of anarchy. perhaps your Syrian 'friends' should meditate
on this naked truth.
If group A claim to support Palestinian self determination (even
though they have done sweet fuck all to actually advance that cause)...
when that shitty little country called Israel was squeezed onto the
map in 1948, Syria welcomed Palestinian refugees with open arms by the hundreds
of thousands. no, they didn't grant them citizenship, but prettty much all
other rights.
so thanks, b, for headlining this obfuscatory drivel. thus, for posterity.
This whole nightmare was dreamed up from within the US Embassy in Damascus
in 2006. Bashir al Assad was too popular in the country and the region for
America's liking, so they plotted to get rid of him. Near all the organ
eating, child killing, head chopping "moderate" opposition are from other
countries, those that are Syrian, as was the case in Iraq, mostly live outside
the country and are not in touch with main stream opinion, but very in touch
with US, Saudi etc $$$s.
Here again is the reality of where this all started, article from 2012
(below.). And never forget Wesley Clark's Pentagon informant after 9/11
of attacking "seven countries in five years." Those in chaos through US
attacks or attempted "liberation" were on the list, a few more to go and
they are a bit behind schedule. All responsible for this Armageddon should
be answering for their actions in shackles and yellow jump suits in The
Hague.
|~b~ Thank you for putting Debsisdead's comment @ 135 prior post into readable
form. Failing eyesight made the original in its extended format difficult
to read.
Reference Debsisdead comment:
Your definition of neoliberal would be nice to have. Usually it is used
as ephemerally as a mirage, to appear in uncountable numbers of meaning.
Having determined your definition of neoliberal, are you sure it WAS
neoliberal rather than a hegemonic entity? Neoliberal seems best used as
the reactionary faux historic liberalism as applied to economic agendas
(neocon is the political twin for neoliberal, libertarian had been previously
been co-opted).
Instead of F•UK•US•i, maybe a F•UK•UZoP would suffice (France•United
Kingdom•United Zionist occupied Palestine) given the spheres of influence
involved.
Agree with your observations about the limited mentality of dualism;
manichaeism is a crutch for disabled minds unaware and blind to subtle distinctions
that comprise spectrums.
Though not paying close attention to Syrian history, it was Hafez al-Assad
who became master of the Syrian Ba'athist coup d'état and politically stabilised
Syria under Ba'athist hegemony. In the midst of the 'Arab-spring' zeitgeist,
an incident involving a child with security forces led to a genuine public
outcry being suppressed by state security forces. This incident, quickly
settled became cause célèbre for a subsequent revolt, initially by SAA dissidents
but soon thereafter by external interests having the motive of regime overthrow
of Syrian Ba'athists and their leadership. Other narratives generally make
little sense though may contain some factors involved; the waters have been
sufficiently muddied as to obscure many original factors - possibly Bashar
al-Assad's awareness of his security forces involvement in US rendition
and torture as to compromise his immediately assuming command of his security
forces in the original public protest over the child. Those things are now
well concealed under the fogs of conflict and are future historians to sort.
I consider Bashar al-Assad the legitimate Syrian President and attempts
to remove him by external interests as grounds for charges of crimes against
humanity, crimes of war.
Classic western sheeple disconnect. As one of the bloggers rightly stated
Wesley Clarke spilled the whole beans and revealed their true ilk. 7 countries
in 5 years. How coincidental post 9/11. This total disconnect with global
realities is a massive problem in the west cause the 86000 elite /oligarchs
r pushing for a war with both the bears/ Russian and Chinese along with
Iran. These countries have blatantly stated they will not be extorted by
fascism. All western countries r all living a Corporate state. Just look
all around every facet of our society is financialised. Health ,education
, public services.
Wake up cause if we dont we will be extinct Nuclear winter
I am of syrian origin, born in Beirut Lebanon.
My family lived a happy life there, but shortly after I was born, Israel
invaded Lebanon, and my family fled and emigrated to Europe, I was 1 year
old.
I call major bullshit on your piece.
If you say "Assad was flirting with Neo Liberalism" then this is actually
a compliment to Assad.
Why? Because he wanted to win time. He wanted to prevent the same happening
to Syria that has happened to Iraq. At that time there was no other protective
power around. Russia was still busy recovering.
What do you think would
have happened had Assad not pretended he would go along? Syria would have
been bombed to pieces right then. Why did Assad change his mind later and
refused to cooperate with Qatar, Saudi and US? Because the balance of power
was about to change. Iran and Russia were rising powers (mainly in the military
field).
I could say so much more. I stopped reading your post when you mentioned
that your Palestinian friend ( I know the neighbourhood in Damascus, it
is called Yarmouk and it is indeed a very nice suburb) does not have Syrian
citizenship. Do you know why Palaestinians don't get Syrian citizenship?
Because they are supposed to return to their homeland Palestine.
And they can only do that as Palestinians and not as Syrians. That is
why.
And that so many (not all!) Palestinians chose to backstab the country
that has hosted them and fed them and gave them a life for so many years,
and fought side by side with islamist terrorists and so called Free Syrian
Army traitors is a human error, is based on false promises, is lack of character
and honour and understanding of the broader context and interests. How will
some of these fools and misguided young men feel when they realise that
they have played right into the hand of their biggest enemy, the Zionists.
I would like to remind some of you who might have forgotten that famous
incident described by Robert Fisk years ago, when a Syrian Officer told
him upon the capture of some of these "freedom fighters' on Syrian soil,
one of them said: "I did not know that Palestine was so beautiful", not
realising that he was not fighting in Palestine but in Syria.
And as for "Islamic Fundamentalism", it is this abnormal form of Islam
that is purely based on racism and not the other way around. Islamic fundamentalists
call everybody, and I mean everybody, who is not living according to their
rule a non-believer, a Takfiri, who does not deserver to live.
Though reluctant to get involved in what seems to be for some a personal
spat, I would like to point out one fundemental point that renders the above
published and counter arguments difficult to comprehend which is that they
lack a time frame.
The 'Syrian opposition' or what ever you wish to call it is not now what
it was 6 years ago. Thus, for me, at least, it is not possible to discuss
the make up of the opposition unless there are some time frames applied.
An example is a Syrian who was an officer in the FSA but fled to Canada
last year. He fled the Syrian conflict over 3 years ago to Turkey -which
is how I know him - where he did not continue ties with any group. He simply
put his head down and worked slavishly living at his place of work most
of the time to escape to Canada - he feared remaining in Istanbul. He claimed
that he and others had all been taken in by promises and that the conflict
had been usurped by extremists. He was not a headchopper, he was not the
beheader of 12 year old children. He was and is a devout Muslim. He was
a citizen of Aleppo city. I know him and of him through other local Syrians
in Istanbul and believe his testimony. I mention him only to highlight that
the conflict is not what it was, not what some intended it to be ... Nor
is it what some paint it to be. There are many who fight whomever attacks
their community be they pro / anti Government. - Arabs especially have extended
village communities/ tribes and pragmatically they 'agree' to be occupied
as long as they are allowed to continue their lives in peace. If conflict
breaks out they fight whomever is necessary.
DebIsDead makes some very excellent points in his/her comments. They
deserve appraisal and respectful response. It is also clear thar he/she
is writing defensively in some parts and those detract from what is actually
being said.
The piece suffers from several errors. As demeter said Posted by: Demeter
@14, the flirrting with neoliberalism bought them time as neocons were slavering
for a new target. It also made the inner circle a ridiculous amount of money.
Drought made life terrible for many rural syrians. When the conflict started,
if you read this website you'd notice people wondering what was going on
and as facts unfolded. realizing that Assad was the lesser of two evils,
and as the war has gone on, look like an angel in comparison to the opposition.
You can't change the fact that it took less than 2 years for the opposition
to be dominated by both foreign and domestic takfiris who wanted to impose
saudi style culture on an open relatively prosperous cosmopolitan country.
They've succeeded in smashing it to pieces. Snuff your balanced account
and your bold anti racism
Debsisdead sets up a strawman - racism against Islamic fundamentalists
and validity of opposition against Assad - and uses this to sidestep
that the armed conflict originated with scheming by foreign governments
to use extremists as a weapon.
"If you want to call me a Zionist lackey of the imperialists or whatever
it was go right ahead - it is only yourself who you tarnish, I'm secure
in the knowledge of my own work against imperialism, corporate domination
and Zionism but perhaps you, who have a need to throw aspersions are not?"
Passive-aggressive much?
The fight IS "binary". You support Assad and his fighters, the true rebels,
or you don't. Calling Assad a "hack" is a slander of a veritable hero. Watch
his interviews. Assad presides over a multi-cultural, multi-confessional,
diverse, secular state, PRECISELY what the Reptilians claim they cherish.
"the Syrian government put staying in power via adopting neoliberal strictures
ahead of the welfare of Syrians." - on that we can agree.
It continues to annoy me that the primary trigger for the civil war in
Syria has been totally censored from the press. The government deliberately
ignited a population explosion, making the sale or possession of condoms
or birth control pills illegal and propagandizing that it was every woman's
patriotic duty to have six kids. The population doubled every 18 years,
from 5 million to 10 million to 20 million and then at 22 the water ran
out and things fells apart. Syria is a small country mostly arid plateau,
in principle it could be developed to support even more people just not
in that amount of time and with the resources that the Syrians actually
had.
No the issue was not 'climate change'. The aquifers in Syria had been
falling for years, even when rainfall was above normal. Don't blame the
weather.
"The more the merrier" - tell me exactly how people having more children
than they can support creates wealth? It doesn't and it never has.
Whenever governments treat their people as if they were cattle, demanding
that they breed the 'correct' number of children rather than making the
decision based on their own desires and judgement of how many they can support,
the result is always bad.
Assad treated the people of Syria as if they were cattle. Surely this
deserves mention?
Cultural "left" bullshit at its best. Cultural "leftists" don't need to
know any hostory or have any understanding of a political issue: it's sufficient
to pull out a few details from the NATO press and apply their grad school
"oppression" analysis.
Thanks to b for posting the comment of Debs is Dead. The point I would take
issue with is where he states "I realize many have quite foolishly IMO,
adopted President Assad as some sort of model of virtue. . ."
I don't believe this is a correct realization. I think the many to whom
he refers know very well that any person in leadership of a country can
be found to have flaws, major and minor, and even to have more of such than
the average mortal. The crucial counterpoint, however, which used to be
raised fairly often, is that it is the acceptance of the majority of the
people governed by such leaders that ought to be the international norm
for diplomatic relations.
I respect the knowledge DiD has gained from his Syrian friends and contacts.
But I also remember a man called Chilabi and am very leery of destabilization
attempts this country has been engaged in lo these many generations, using
such displaced persons as surrogates. And rather than properly mourn the
9/11 victims and brave firemen and rescuers of that terrible day, I find
myself mourning the larger tragedy of unnecessary wars launched as a consequence
of our collective horror at that critical moment in our history.
After making sound point about black-and-white worldview being unrealistic,
the guy goes full retard. Position towards Palestinians as the one and only
criteria to judge ME developments... C'mon, it's not even funny.
And while started from a "My Syrian friends" then he goes on reasoning on
behalf of one single ex-Palestinian ex-Syrian guy...
Looks like self-revelation of a kind. Some guy, sitting in Israel, or whatever,
waging informational warfare for the Mossad/CIA/NGO who pays his rent.
"The government deliberately ignited a population explosion, making the
sale or possession of condoms or birth control pills illegal and propagandizing
that it was every woman's patriotic duty to have six kids."
DiD: "I realize many have quite foolishly IMO, adopted President Assad as
some sort of model of virtue. . ." The big reveal is that DiD can't name
a single contributor here who has written that Assad is "some sort of model
of virtue."
It doesn't mean he's a saint that Assad is leading the very popular 'secular/multi-confessional
Syria' resistance against an extremely well-funded army primarily of non-Syrians
who are mainly 'headchoppers' who will stop at nothing to impose Saudi-style
religious dictatorship on Syria.
The 'moderate' opposition to Assad has
largely disappeared (back into the loyal opposition that does NOT want a
Saudi-style state imposed on Syria), but those who remain in armed rebellion
surely must know that they are a powerless, very small portion of what is
in fact mercenary army completely subservient to the needs and directives
of its primary funders/enablers, the US and Saudi Arabia. So whatever their
original noble intentions, they've become part of the Saudi/US imperial
problem.
Thanks for addressing the problem of angry comments by some posters who
just want to throw verbal grenades is unacceptable. I hope this site continues
to be a great source for sharing information and ideas.
Why in God's name was this pointless comment by Debs is Dead promoted this
way?!!! The only point being made, that I can see, is that the war in Syria
does have some legitimate issues at its root. WELL OF COURSE IT DOES. The
Hegemon rarely to never makes up civil unrest in countries it wants to overthrow
out of whole cloth. They take some dispute that is already there and ramp
it up; this process escalates until it turns into some form of a proxy war
or coup. In other words, the domestic political process is DISTORTED until
it is no longer remotely recognizable as a domestic process.
So sure, if the US and its allies had not stoked political factionism
in Syria into a global proxy war, we could discuss the fine details of the
Syrian domestic process very usefully. At this point, though, IT IS IRRELEVANT.
I do agree on one point: Assad joins the horrendous list of overlords
who thought they could make a deal with the Hegemon on their own terms.
Assad will pay for that mistake with his life very soon I would guess and
I think that Putin will too, though that might take a little longer. If
they had chosen to stand on principle as Chavez did, maybe they would be
dead as Chavez is (possibly done in, who knows), but they'd be remembered
with honor as Chavez is.
It is a shame no one stood up for Libya, for a surviving Gaddafi would have
emerged considerably stronger - as Assad eventually will.
Whatever genuine opposition there was has long been hijacked by opportunistic
takfiris, wahabbists and there various paymasters. And so as ruralito says
@25: "The fight IS "binary...". The fight is indeed binary, the enemy is
plural. Assad versus the many appearances of both the first and fourth kind.
Appearances to the mind are of four kinds.
Things either are what they appear to be;
or they neither are, nor appear to be;
or they are, and do not appear to be;
or they are not, and yet appear to be.
Rightly to aim in all these cases is the wise man's task. ~Epictetus
Where there is obfuscation lay the enemy, hence Russia's long game of
identification.
Does anyone remember the essay posted on this site a while back titled "The
Feckless Left?" I don't believe B posted it, but if memory serves it's posted
front and centre on the navigation bar beside this piece?
It really hammers those people like Tariq Ali, who while surely having
legitimate grievances against the Assad govt, opened the door for legitimation
of foreign sponsored war. They thought that funneling millions of dollars
worth of training, weapons and mercs would open the door for another secular
govt, but this time much 'better.' Surely.
No one thinks Assad is great. I really have trouble understanding where
that notion comes from. It's just that the alternative is surely much worse.
Lots of people didn't like Ghaddafi but jesus, I'm sure most Libyans would
wish they could turn back the clock (at the risk of putting words in their
mouths). It's not binary, no one sees this as good vs evil, its just that
its become so painfully obvious at this point that if the opposition wins
Syria will be so fucked in every which way. Those with real, tangible grievances
are never going to have their voices heard. It will become the next Libya,
except the US and it's clients will actually have a say in what's left of
the political body in the country if you could even label it that at that
point (which is quite frightenening in my eyes. Libya is already a shit
show and they don't have much of a foothold there besides airstrikes and
that little coastal base for the GNA to have their photo ops).
I find it ironic that when criticisms are levelled at Assad from the
left they usually point out things that had he done more of, and worse of,
he probably would be free of this situation and still firmly in power. If
he had bowed down to Qatar and the KSA/USA I wonder if the 'armed opposition'
would still have their problems with him? That's the ultimate irony to me.
If he had accepted the pipelines, the privatization regimes, etc. would
they still be hollering his name? It's very sad that even with the balancing
act he did his country has been destroyed. Even if the SAA is able to come
out on top at this point, the country is wholly destroyed. What's even the
point of a having a 'legitimate' or 'illegitimate' opposition when they're
essentially fighting over scraps now. I'd be surprised if they could rebuild
the country in 120 years. Libya in my eyes will never be what it once was.
It'll never have the same standards of living after being hit with a sledgehammer.
I don't mean to be ironic or pessimistic, its just a sad state of affairs
all around and everyday it seems more and more unlikely that any halfway
decent solution for the POPULATION OF SYRIA, not Assad, will come out of
this.. It's like, I'm no nationalist, but in many countries I kind of would
rather that than the alternative. Ghaddafi wasn't great but his people could've
been a lot worse of - and ARE a lot worse of now. I'm no Assad fan, but
my god look what the alternative is here. If it wasnt 95% foreign sponsored
maybe id see your point.
Read the essay posted on the left there. "Syria, the Feckless Left" IIRC.
I thought that summed up my thoughts well enough.
And guys, even if you agree with me please refrain from the name calling.
It makes those of you with a legitimate rebuttal seem silly and wrong. I've
always thought MoA was so refreshing because it was (somewhat) free of that.
At least B is generating discussion. I kind of appreciate that. It's nice
to hear ither views, even if they are a little unrealistic and pro violent
and anti democratic.
An example of an armed opposition with legitimate grievances that is
far from perfect but still very sympathetic (in my eyes) is hizbollah. They
have real problems to deal with. While they recieve foreign sponsorship
they aren't a foreign group the way the Syrian opposition is. And they will
be all but destroyed when their supply lines from Syria are cut off. I wonder
how that fits in with OPs post.
What makes Debs is Dead's turgid comment so irrational is that it endorses
Regime Change in Syria as an ongoing, but necessary and inevitable, "good".
But in doing so it tip-toes around the fact that it doesn't matter how Evil
an elected President is, or is not, it's up to the the people who elected
him to decide when they've had enough. It most certainly is NOT Neoconned
AmeriKKKa's concern.
Debs also 'forgot' to justify totally wrecking yet another of many ME
countries because of perceived and imaginary character flaws in a single
individual.
It does not compute; but then neither does "Israel's" 70 year (and counting)
hate crime, The Perpetual Palestinian Holohoax.
Whatever happened to the age old expression that one has to walk in someone
else's shoes to understand their walk in life?
In an all too obvious fashion, another arm chair expert is blessing the
world with his/her drivel.
To make it as concise as possible:
What would you have done in Assad's position? The U.S. is trying to annex
Syria since 1948 and never gave up on the plan to convert it to what the
neo-fascists turned Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Somalia and the Republic of
Yugoslavia - whereas Yemen is still in the making, together with Ukraine,
Turkey and Africa as a whole.
In the light of U.S. 'foreign policy', the piece reeks of the stench
of obfuscation.
Debs also 'forgot' to justify totally wrecking yet another of many ME
countries because of perceived and imaginary character flaws in a single
individual.
We shouldn't be surprised. Even a basic pragmatic approach to this conflict
has been lost by many in the one sided, over the top shower of faeces that
is the western MSM.
It does not compute; but then neither does "Israel's" 70 year (and
counting) hate crime, The Perpetual Palestinian Holohoax.
All that land, all that resource...and a unifying language. Amazing.
If only the Arab world could unite for the collective good of the region
we might witness a rogue state in an abrupt and full decline. A sad tactic of colonial powers over the years, setting the native tribes
upon each other. We've not evolved here.
It is impossible for any one of us to possess the whole picture, which is
why we pool our experience, and benefit from these discussions. The thing
I see at the root of the Syrian war is the process of ethnic cleansing.
In many cases that involve murderous prejudice, it erupts as civil war;
but in recent history the foreign policy of powerful nations is aimed at
sponsoring social disintegration within the borders of targeted countries.
Ethnic cleansing means destruction of culture, of historical memory,
the forced disappearance of communities that were rooted in a place.
The objectives of the perpetrators have nothing to do with the convictions
of the fundamentalists who do the dirty work; and the sectarian and mercenary
troops are merely the tools of those who are creating hell on earth.
I agree with what papa wrote at the top of this thread:
why you think your article is different from others senseless name-calling,[?]
i see exactly the same. This war is about destroying real history, civilization,
culture and replacing with fake. The war in Yemen is the same. Who in
that region wants to replace real history with fake. Think about it.
Most Islamic,Christian, Assyrian history is systematically being destroyed.
Compare President Assad's leadership to that of the western, or Saudi, sponsors
of terror; or measure his decisions against those of the hodgepodge of rebels
and mercenaries, with their endless internal squabbles and infighting. Assad
is so much more of a spokesman for the rights of sovereignty, and his words
carry more weight and outshine the banalities that spring from the mouths
of those who are paying the bills, and supplying weapons, and giving all
kinds of diplomatic comfort to the enemies of the Syrian government.
Debsisdead has always brought much food for thought to this watering
hole. I have always respected him, and I think he has a fine mind. Nonetheless,
despite the valuable contribution of this piece as a beginning place, in
which we might reevaluate some of our presumptions, I maintain there are
a few errors which stand out, and ought to be discussed.
I call into question these two points:
(1) Just because someone chooses an option that you disagree with does
not make them evil or headchoppers or Islamofacist.
Up thread @14, we were reminded of Robert Fisk's report about misdirected,
misinformed "freedom fighters" naively wandering around in Syria, while
thinking that they were fighting in Palestine. In this ruin of Syria, where
the well-intentioned are captured, or co-opted into evil acts against the
civilian population, --is it really incumbent upon us, --from where we sit,
to agonize over the motives of those who are committing the actual atrocities
against the defenseless? What is the point?
(2) On balance I would rather see Assad continue as leader of Syria
but I'm not so naive as to believe he is capable of finding a long term
resolution, or that there are not a good number of self interested murderous
sadists in his crew. By the same token I don't believe all of those
resisting the Ba'athist administration are headchopping jihadists or
foreign mercenaries. This war is about 5 years old. If either side were
so simplistically good or evil it would have ended a long time ago.
There is no need for sorting things into absolutes of good and evil.
But there is a condition under which fewer, a lot fewer, humans would have
died in Syria, Without foreign interference--money, weapons, and training--Assad's
government would have won this war quite a while ago.
And as for "Islamic Fundamentalism", it is this abnormal form of Islam
that is purely based on racism and not the other way around. Islamic
fundamentalists call everybody, and I mean everybody, who is not living
according to their rule a non-believer, a Takfiri, who does not deserver
to live.
Fundamentalism is never satisfied until it can become a tyranny over the
mind. Racism and fundamentalism are as American as apple pie. You have to
take a close look at who is pouring oil on this fire!
@9 I disagree with you in that neoliberalism is seriously not difficult to
define. It boils down to belief that public programs are bad/'inefficient'
and that society would be better served by privatizing many things(or even
everything) and opening services up to 'competition'. It's mainly just cover
for parasites to come in and get rich off of the masses misery. The 'neoliberalism
is just a snarl word' meme is incredibly stupid, since plenty of books and
articles have been written explicitly defining it.
"Having determined your definition of neoliberal, are you sure it WAS
neoliberal rather than a hegemonic entity?"
American economic hegemony is inherently neoliberal, and has been for
decades. The IMF is essentially an international loan shark that gives countries
money on the condition that they dismantle their public spending apparatus
and let the market run things.
I usually enjoy DiD's rants (rant in the nice sense), but in this case he
is wrong. His remarks are out of date.
No doubt he has Syrian friends in NZ, including the Syro-Palestinian
he mentions. They will have been living their past vision of Syria for some
time. Yes, back in 2011, there was a big vision of a future democratic Syria
among the intellectuals. However those who fight for the rebellion are not
middle class (who left) but rural Islamist Sunnis, who have a primitive
al-Qa'ida style view.
The Syrian civil war is quite like the Spanish civil war. It started
with noble republicans, including foreigners like Orwell, fighting against
nasty Franco, but finished with Stalin's communists fighting against Nazi-supported
fascists.
The situation is different now. One Syrian lady, who came to see me in
April, who lives in California, told me that her father, who was a big pre-war
oppositionist, now just wants to return to Syria to die. There's no question. if you want peace in Syria, Asad is the only choice.
The jihadis, who dominate the opposition, don't offer an alternative.
Noirette comes close to identifying one of the issues that kicked off
the conflict, that the Syrian government put staying in power via adopting
neoliberal strictures ahead of the welfare of Syrians.
The Ba'thist regime is a mafia of the family, not a dictatorship of Bashshar.
Evidently their own interest plays a premier role, but otherwise why not
in favour of the Syrian people? There's lot of evidence in favour of Syrian
peace.
The lesson of Viet Nam was to keep the dead and wounded off the six o'clock
news.
The jackals are going in. Another coup. Syria was on the list. Remap
the Middle East. Make it like Disney World. Israel as Mad King Ludwig's
Neuschwanstein.
Islam and its backward dictates, and Christianity with its backward dictates
and Manifest Destiny are problematic.
I may be white and I may be a fella but don't believe I'm in the fold as
described. Fundamentalists of any sort are free to believe as they will
but when they force it on others via gun, govt, societal pressures, violence
there's trouble. I've seen comparisons to the extremes from Christianity's
past with the excuse of Islam as being in its early years. No excuses. Fundies
out. But we don't see that in places like Saudi Arabia or Iran. Facts on
the ground rule. Iran had a bit more moderation but only under the tyrant
Shah. A majority may have voted for the Islamic Republic and all that entails
but what of the minority?
BTW, where are the stories (links) that show Bashar has embraced neoliberalism?
In the end, DiD reduced to pointing to two evils (with multi-facets) and
it looks like Assad is the lesser. But who can come up with a solution for
a country so divided and so infiltrated by outsiders? And here in the US,
look at the choice of future leaders that so many do not want. Where is
the one who will lead the US out of its BS? And who will vote for him/her?
Thanks to B for republishing the comment from Debsisdead. The comment raises
some issues about how people generally see the war in Syria, if they know
of it, as some sort of real-life video game substitute for bashing one side
or another.
I am not sure though that Debsisdead realises the full import of what
s/he has said and that much criticism s/he makes about comments in MoA comments
forums could apply equally to what s/he says and has said in the past.
I don't think anyone who comments here regularly ever assumed that Bashar
al Assad was a knight in white shining armour. Most of us are aware of how
he came to be President and that his father did rule the country from 1971
to 2000 with an iron fist. Some if not most also know that initially when
Bashar al Assad succeeded to the Presidency, he did have a reformist agenda
in mind. How well or not he succeeded in putting that across, what compromises
he had to make, who or what opposed him, how he negotiated his way between
and among various and opposed power structures in Syrian politics we do
not know.
Yes, I have trouble reconciling the fact that Bashar al Assad's government
did allow CIA renditioning with his reformist agenda in my own head. That
is something he will have to come to terms with in the future. I don't know
if Assad was naive, under pressure or willing, even eager in agreeing to
cooperate with the CIA, or trying to buy time to prepare for invasion once
Iraq was down. Whether Assad also realises that he was duped by the IMF
and World Bank in following their advice on economic "reforms" (such as
privatising Syria's water) is another thing as well.
But one thing that Debsisdead has overlooked is the fact that Bashar
al Assad is popular among the Syrian public, who returned him as President
in multi-candidate direct elections held in June 2014 with at least 88%
of the vote (with a turnout of 73%, better than some Western countries)
and who confirmed his popularity in parliamentary elections held in April
2016 with his Ba'ath Party-led coalition winning roughly two-thirds of seats.
The fact that Syrians themselves hold Assad in such high regard must
say something about his leadership that has endeared him to them. If as
Debsisdead suggests, Assad practises self-interested "realpolitik" like
so many other Middle Eastern politicians, even to the extent of offering
reconciliation to jihadis who lay down their weapons and surrender, how
has he managed to survive and how did Syria manage to hold off the jihadis
and US-Turkish intervention and supply before requesting Russian help?
Copeland @58: I don't see why you call the problem "Islamic fundamentalism"
when in fact it is Sunni fundamentalism. Admittedly it's tough to 'name'
the problem. I'm sure I speak for most here that the problem isn't fundamentalism
but 'warring imperialist fundamentalist and misogynist Sunni Islam' that
is the problem.
It'd be nice to have a brief and accurate way of saying
what this is: 'Saudi Arabia violently exporting its worst form of Islam'.
When people refer to Christian fundamentalism they use the broad term
as well. Nothing is otherwise wrong with denominational belief, if past
a certain point it is not fundamentalist. You say the problem is not fundamentalism,
but something else. Indeed, the problem is fundamentalism.
Manifest
Destiny is fundamentalism. There are even atheist fundamentalists. "Full
Spectrum Dominance" and other US Military doctrines are fundamentalist in
nature. We are awash in fundamentalism, consumerist fundamentalism, capitalist
fundamentalism. If we are unlucky and don't succeed in changing the path
we are on; then we will understand too late the inscription that appeared
in the Temple of Apollo: "Nothing too much".
They say that the first casualty of war is truth and from what I read in
comments such a mental state prevails among readers, they see Assad, quite
reasonably, as the only one who can end this horrible war and the only one
who is really interested in doing so while US and even seemingly Russia
seems to treat this conflict as a instrument of global geopolitical struggle
instigated by US imperial delusions.
But of course one cannot escape conclusion that although provoked by
the CIA operation Bashir Assad failed years befor 2011 exactly because,
living in London, did not see neoliberalism as an existential threat ad
his father did but a system that has its benefits and can be dealt with,
so for a short while Saddam, Gaddafi and Mubarak thought while they were
pampered by western elites.
Now Assad is the only choice I'd Syrians want to keep what would resemble
unified Syrian state since nobody else seems to care.
I have no doubt that Assad was little more than a crude Arab strongman/dictator
prince back in the 2011 when the uprising started.
Since then, he has evolved into a committed, engaged defender of his
country against multilateral foreign aggression, willingly leaving his balls
in the vice and all.
He could have fled the sinking ship many times so far. Instead, he decided
to stay and fight the Takfiri river flowing in through the crack, and risk
going down with the ship he inherited. The majority of the Syrians know
this very well.
Bashar of 2016 (not so much the one of 5 1/2 years ago) would not only
win the next free elections, but destroy any opposition. The aggressors
know that as a fact.
Which is precisely why he "must go" prior to any such elections. He would
be invincible.
"This war is about 5 years old. If either side were so simplistically
good or evil it would have ended a long time ago."
Question to you:
if Syria had control over its borders with Turkey, Israel, Jordan and
Iraq would the war have ended a long time ago ? Answer honestly.
If yes, then the so-called "opposition" of the union of headchoppers
does not represent a significant portion of the Syrian people. Were it otherwise
Assad wouldnt be able to survive a single year, let alone 5. With or without
foreign help.
And that, my friend, may be the biggest oft ignored cui bono of the entire
Syrian war.
If Assad goes:
Syria falls apart. Western Golan has no more debtor nation to be returned
to as far as the UN go. It immediately becomes fee simple property of the
occupying entity, for as long as the occupier shall exist (and, with Western
Golan included, that might be a bit longer perchance...).
Hizbullah loses both its best supply line and all the strategic depth
it might have as well as the only ally anywhere close enough to help. It
becomes a military non-entity. Who benefits?
I think this cui bono (and a double one at that!) is a $100 difficulty
level question, although it feels like a $64k one.
Best opinion post I've yet read on this site. "Binary division," also very
much affects the U.S. election. If you hate Hillary, you must just LOVE
Trump, even though many of the best reasons to hate her--her arrogance,
her incompetence, her phoniness, her lies, her and Bill's relentless acquisition
of great wealth, etc.--are also reasons to hate Trump. Assad is a bastard,
Putin is a bastard, Saddam was a bastard--but so are Obama, Netanyahu, Hollande,
etc. Is it REALLY that hard to figure out?
@ 62 john... we'll have to wait for debs to explain how all that (in your
link) adds up, so long as no one calls him any name/s.... i'd like to say
'the anticipation of debs commenting again is killing me', but regardless,
killing innocent people in faraway lands thanks usa foreign policy is ongoing..
OK here is an interesting article from 2011 on Abdallah Dardari, the fellow
who persuaded Bashar al Assad to adopt the disastrous neoliberal economic
reforms that not only ruined Syria's economy and the country's agriculture
in particular but also created an underclass who resented the reforms and
who initially joined the "rebels". http://english.al-akhbar.com/node/2097
And where is Dardari now? He jumped ship in 2011 and went to Beirut to
work for the UN's Economic and Social Commission for Western Asia (ESCWA).
He seems like someone to keep a watchful eye on.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdullah_Dardari
not even sure where to begin...this article is barely worthy of a random
facebook post and contains a roughly even mix of straw men and stuff most
people already know and don't need dictated to them by random internet folks.
of COURSE assad flirted with the west. between housing cia rendition
houses and the less-than-flattering aspects of the wikileaks "syria files",
assad and/or his handlers (family and/or military) have tried a little too
hard to "assimilate" to western ideals (or the lack thereof).
i seriously
doubt they will make that mistake again. they saw what happened to al-qaddafi
after he tried to play nice and mistook western politicians for human beings.
they've learned their lesson and become more ruthless but they were always
machiavellians because they have to be. not an endorsement, just an acceptance
of how the region is.
and then there's "just about every ME leader has put expedience ahead
of principle with regard to Palestine. Colonel Ghadaffi would be the only
leader I'm aware of who didn't". that might be a surprise to nasrallah and
a fair share of iran's power base. i'd also say "expedience" is an odd way
to describe the simple choice of avoiding israeli/saudi/US aggression in
the short term since the alternative would be what we're seeing in syria
and libya as we speak. again, not an endorsment of their relative cowardice.
just saying i understand the urge to avoid salfist proxy wars.
[also: israel, the saudis (along with qatar and the other GCC psychopaths
in supporting capacity) and the US are the main actors and throwing european
"powers" into the circle of actual power does them an undue favor by ignoring
their status as pathetic vassal states. "FrUkDeUSZiowhatever" isn't necessary.]
as for "calling all islamic fundamentalism" "headchopping" being "racist",
be sure not to smoke around all those straw men. never mind the inanity
of pretending that all islamic "fundamentalism" is the same. never mind
conflating religion with ethnicity. outside of typical western sites that
lean to the right and are open about it few people would say anything like
that. maybe you meant to post this on glenn beck's site?
whatever. hopefully there won't be more guest posts in the future.
I read this site regularly and give thanks to the numerous intelligent posters
who share their knowledge of the middle east and Syria in particular. Still,
I do try to read alternative views to understand opposition perspectives
no matter how biased or damaging these might they appear to the readers
of this blog. So in the wake of recent agreements, I try find out what the
mainstream media is saying about the Ahrar al-Sham refusal to recognize
the US/Russia sponsored peace plan....and type that into google.......and
crickets. All that comes up is a single Al-Masdar report.
Look I know the
MSM is utterly controlled - but the extent of that control still shocks
at times. It is simply not possible to be "informed" by any normal definition
of the word anymore without the alternative media - and for that reason
this site serves a valuable purpose and I once again thank the host and
contributors.
The irony is, Assad is 10x smarter and bigger person than Debs. Yes, he
made some mistakes, but if not "flirting with neoliberalism", war against
Syria would have started many years earlier, when Resistance wasnt ready
one bit (neither Russia, nor Iran, while on the other hand US was more powerful).
The other ironic point, Debs is guilty of many things he blames other
for, hence comments about his hypocrisy and lack of self-awareness.
The essay I refered to earlier at 45/46 from this site I'll post below.
I think it has a lot of bearing on what DiD is implying here. It's DEFINITELY
worth a read and is probably the reason why I started appreciating this
site in the first place.
Support for rebel groups was misguided at best at the beginning of the
war. One could conceivably not appreciate the capacity of the KSA/USA/Quatar/Israel
to influence and control and create these groups. Jesus it's hard for me
to think of a single local opposition group that isnt drenched in fanaticism
besides the Kurds. But now that we understand the makeup and texture of
these groups much more and to continue support, even just in the most minor
of ways, is really disheartening.
There's no way to a solution for the Syrian
people, the population not imported that is, if these groups win. I hate
to be so binary but its so naive in my eyes to think anything good will
come from the long arm of the gulf countries and the USA taking control.
WORTH A READ. ONE OF THE BEST THINGS EVER POSTED ON MoA.
Richard Steven Hack | Sep 13, 2016 3:38:32 AM |
79
The problem with this post is simple: all this might have been true back
when the insurgency STARTED. TODAY it is UTTERLY IRRELEVANT.
As I've said repeatedly, the GOAL of the Syria crisis for the Western
elites, Israel and the ME dictatorships is to take Syria OUT by any means
necessary in order to get to IRAN. Nothing else matters to these people.
In the same vein, nothing else matters to ninety percent of the CURRENT
insurgents than to establish some Salafist state, exterminate the Shia,
etc., etc.
So, yes, right NOW the whole story is about US elites, Zionist "evil",
corrupt monarchs, and scumbag fanatics, etc., etc. Until THAT is resolved,
nothing about how Syria is being run is going to matter.
I don't know and have never read ANYONE who is a serious commenter on
this issue - and by that I mean NOT the trolls that infest every comment
thread on every blog - who seriously thinks Assad is a "decent ruler". At
this point it does not matter. He personally does not matter. What matters
is that Syria is not destroyed, so that Hizballah is not destroyed, so that
Iran is not destroyed, so that Israel rules a fragmented Middle East and
eventually destroys the Palestinians and that the US gets all the oil for
free. This is what Russia is trying to defend, not Assad.
And if this leaves a certain percentage of Syrian citizens screwed over
by Assad, well, they should have figured that out as much as Assad should
have figured out that he never should have tried to get along with the US.
Frankly, this is a pointless post which is WAY out of date.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Sep 13, 2016 3:38:32 AM | 79
In the same vein, nothing else matters to ninety percent of the CURRENT
insurgents than to establish some Salafist state, exterminate the Shia,
etc., etc.
"We had to be fighters," he said, "because we didn't find any other
job. If you want to stay inside you need to be a part of the FSA [Free
Syrian Army, the group that has closest relations with the West]. Everything
is very expensive. They pay us $100 a month but it is not enough.
"All this war is a lie. We had good lives before the revolution.
Anyway this is not a revolution. They lied to us in the name of religion.
"I don't want to go on fighting but I need to find a job, a house.
Everything I have is here in Muadhamiya."
...
.. who seriously thinks Assad is a "decent ruler". At this point it does
not matter. He personally does not matter.
...
Frankly, this is a pointless post which is WAY out of date.
Posted by: Richard Steven Hack | Sep 13, 2016 3:38:32 AM | 79
Well, according to RSH, who specialises in being wrong...
Assad does matter because he is the ELECTED leader chosen by the People
of Syria in MORE THAN ONE election.
Did you forget?
Did you not know?
Or doesn't any of that "democracy" stuff matter either?
Israel said its aircraft attacked a Syrian army position on Tuesday after
a stray mortar bomb struck the Israeli-controlled Golan Heights, and it
denied a Syrian statement that a warplane and drone were shot down.
The air strike was a now-routine Israeli response to the occasional spillover
from fighting in a five-year-old civil war, and across Syria a ceasefire
was holding at the start of its second day.
Syria's army command said in a statement that Israeli warplanes had attacked
an army position at 1 a.m. on Tuesday (2200 GMT, Monday) in the countryside
of Quneitra province.
The Israeli military said its aircraft attacked targets in Syria hours
after the mortar bomb from fighting among factions in Syria struck the Golan
Heights. Israel captured the plateau from Syria in a 1967 war.
The Syrian army said it had shot down an Israeli warplane and a drone
after the Israeli attack.
Denying any of its aircraft had been lost, the Israeli military said
in a statement: "Overnight two surface-to-air missiles were launched from
Syria after the mission to target Syrian artillery positions. At no point
was the safety of (Israeli) aircraft compromised."
The seven-day truce in Syria, brokered by Russia and the United States,
is their second attempt this year by to halt the bloodshed.
Copeland @60: No, I don't think the problem is fundamentalism. It's the
warring crusade method of spreading a belief's 'empire' that is the problem.
This is a problem uniquely of the Saudi 'do whatever it takes' crusade to
convert the entire 'Arab and Muslim world' to their worst, most misogynist
form of Islam. T
here are of course many fundamentalists (the Amish and some
Mennonites are examples from Christianity) that are not evangelical, or
put severe (no violence, no manipulation, no kidnapping, stop pushing if
the person says 'no') limits on their evangelism.
Only the Saudis, or pushers
of their version of Islam, seem to put no limits at all on their sect's
crusade.
Just want to mention that from the beginning there were people who took
up arms against the government. This is why the situation went out of control.
People ambushed groups of young soldiers. Snipers of unknown origin fired
on police and civilians.
There are plenty of people in the United States right now who are just
as oppressed - I would wager more so - than anyone in Syria. Immigrants
from the south are treated horribly here. There are still black enclaves
in large cities where young men are shot by the police on a daily basis
for suspicious behavior and minor driving infractions. And then there are
the disenfranchised white folks in the Teaparty who belong to the NRA and
insist on 'open carry' of their weapons on the street and train in the back
woods for a coming war. Tell me what would happen if there were a guarantor
these people found believable who promised them that if they took up arms
against the government (and anyone else in the country they felt threatened
by) they would be guaranteed to win and become the government of a 'New
America'. What if that foreign guarantor were to pay them and improve their
armaments while providing political cover.
I rather like Assad. I won't lie. But, he is not the reason for the insurrection
in Syria ~ well, except for his alliances with Russia and Iran and his pipeline
decisions and his support for Palestinian and Iraqi refugees. What happened
in Syria is happening all over the globe because the nation with the most
resources in the world, the self-declared exceptionalist state thinks this
is the way to rule the world. . . . because they want to rule and they don't
care how much destruction it takes to do so. And lucky for us there is no
one big enough and bad enough to do it to us - except for our own government.
"All of the petrodollars Saudi Arabia spends to advance this claim of
leadership and the monopolistic use of Islam's greatest holy sites to manufacture
a claim of entitlement to Muslim leadership were shattered by this collective
revolt from leading Sunni Muslim scholars and institutions who refused to
allow extremism, takfir, and terror ideology to be legitimized in their
name by a fringe they decided that it is even not part of their community.
This is the beginning of a new era of Muslim awakening the Wahhabis spared
no efforts and no precious resources to ensure it will never arrive."
Assad (=> group in power), whose stated aim was to pass from a 'socialist'
to a 'market' economy. Notes.
*decreased public sector employment.* -- was about 30%, went far
lower (1) - was a staple: one 'smart' graduate in the family guaranteed
a good Gvmt job, could support many.
*cut subsidies* (energy, water, housing, food, etc.) drought (2005>)
plus these moves threw millions into cities with no jobs.. pre-drought
about 20% agri empl. cuts to agri subsidies created the most disruption.
…imho was spurred by the sharply declining oil revenues (peak oil..)
which accounted for ?, 15% GDP in 2002 for ex to a few slim points edging
to nil in 2012, consequences:
> a. unemployment rose 'n rose (to 35-40% youth? xyz overall?), and social
stability was affected by family/extended f/ district etc. organisation
being smashed. education health care in poor regions suffered (2)
> b. small biz of various types went under becos loss of subs, competition
from outsiders (free market policy), lack of bank loans it is said by some
but idk, and loss of clients as these became impoverished. Syria does not
have a national (afaik) unemployment scheme. Assad to his credit
set up a cash-transfer thingie to poor families, but that is not a subsitute
for 'growing employment..'
*opened up the country's banking system* (can't treat the details..)
So Assad was hit by a Tri-horror: global warming, dwindling cash
FF resources, and IMF-type pressure, leaving out the trad. enemies, KSA,
pipelines , etc. MSM prefer to cover up serious issues with 'ethnic strife'
(sunni, shia, black lives matter, etc.)
1. all nos off the top of my head.
2. Acceptance of a massive refugee pop. (Pals in the past, Kurds, but
numerically important now, Iraqis) plus the high birth rate
2011> 10 year plan syria in arabic (which i can't read) but look at images
and 'supporters' etc.
"... Yemen is another war the US is involved in thanks to the "peace" Pres. Obama. He has tried to keep this war hidden from the public. His few mentions of this war have been limited to shallow statements about his concern of the civilian casualty. ..."
"... Moreover, by selling the Saudis cluster bombs and other arms being used on civilians, Obama has enabled the Saudis in the last 8 moths to kill and destruct in Yemen more than WW2, as evidence shows. According to Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch, the US is complicit in international war crimes in Yemen. ..."
"... After Obama's election, he went to Cairo to make a peace speech to the Arab world aiming to diffuse the deep hatred towards the US created during the Bush era. Yet since then, Obama's foolish alliances with despotic Arab rulers infesting ISIS and Al-Qaeda in the region, his drone warfare, and warped war policies in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria and Yemen, have only expanded and strengthened ISIS and Al-Qaeda, and increased Arab citizens anger and hatred towards the US. This is Obama's legacy! ..."
"... I always think there are similarities in Clinton and Obama s upbringing that created the anormic sociopathic shape shifting personalities they demonstrate. ..."
"... amiable even charismatic enough to sell it to a stupid audience. ..."
"... Why do we maintain the myth that the Obama brand is in anyway his personal contribution. Anymore than Bush or Clinton. The only difference is the republicans are ideologues where's as the puppets offered by the democrats are just psychotic shape shifters. In either way on a clear day you can see the strings hanging from their wrists like ribbons. ..."
"... The US is Allied with Saudi Arabia and Israel, that makes Saudi Arabia's and Israel's enemies US enemies. ..."
"... The notion that Obama makes his own decisions is laughable except it aint funny.. ..."
"... There is no 'Obama legacy' in the ME. It is a US legacy of blown attempts to control unwilling countries and populations by coercion, and by military and economic warfare. ..."
"... With all due respects to M. Obama, this is another clear indication that the US President is just a figure head. He is a front for the corporations that run the US behind the scene - the so-called US military-industrial complex. ..."
"... Perhaps you intentionally miss out the fact that it is the west that has Israel and the Saudis as their best allies, considering their actions ( one with the largest/longest time concentration camp in history, the other the exporter of the horror show of ISIL , both an abomination of their respective religions . The west attempt to seek the moral high ground is more than a farce ... all the world can see and know the game being played, but the mass media wishes to assume everyone has half a brain... they are allergic to the truth , like the vampires to the light. ..."
"... The stick I'm talking about is the total capacity of the US, military and economic, to have things its way or make the opposition very unhappy. ..."
"... What has it gotten us? Nothing good. What has it gotten the top 1 percent? All the money we don't have. ..."
"... Obama is being an absolute idiot in sending special forces to fight with rebels who are fighting the legitimate government of Syria. This is stupidity of the highest order. What will he do when any of these special forces operatives are captured by IS or killed by Russian or Syrian airstrikes? ..."
"... That is a valid point: Syria is a sovereign nation recognized by the U.N., and any foreign troops within without permission would be considered invaders. Of course, the U.S. ignores international law all the time. ..."
"... Anyway, foreign troops in Syria who are there without an invitation by Syrian government or authorisation by UNSC are there illegally and can be tried for war crimes if captured. Why is Obama putting his soldiers in this situation? ..."
"... The U.S. strategy in Syria is in tatters as Obama lamely tries to patch it up. The U.S. was determined to overthrow the Assad regime in Syria in service of the Saudis, Turkey, and Israel, while pretending to go after ISIS, who the Saudis and Turks were covertly funding. The U.S. were arming jihadists to oust Assad. That game is up, thanks to the Russians. Putin decided he wasn't going to stand by while the U.S. and its proxies created another Libya jihadist disaster in Syria. The forceful Russian intervention in going after ISIS showed the U.S. to be a faker, and caused a sea-change in U.S. policy. Now the U.S. can't pretend to go after ISIS while really trying to oust Assad. The Emporer has no clothes. ..."
"... Israel is an ally of KSA who is funding IS, Al Nusra, Al-Qaida and Al-Shabab. They are also partners with KSA in trying to prevent Iran's reintegration into global society following the nuclear deal, and the lifting of sanctions. ..."
"... I suspect that Israel wants to annex the Syrian Golan Heights permanently, and to extend their illegal settlements into the area. That can only happen if Assad is defeated. ..."
"... Wow, you make a lot of sense. I always thought the US military heavy foreign policy became insane because of Reagan. Maybe it was the loss of the USSR? ..."
"... Everyone here grew up being taught that the US is the champion of all that is good (sounds corny today). When the USSR dissolved, everyone imagined huge military cuts with the savings being invested in social benefits. If someone had predicted that, instead, we would grow our military, throw our civil rights away, embrace empire, assasinate US citizens without a trial, create total surveillance, create secret one sided star-chamber FISA courts that control a third of our economy, and choose a Dept. name heard previously only in Nazi movies (Homeland Security) --- we'd have laughed and dismissed the warning as delusion. ..."
"... You are correct. Obama is breaking UN international law, the US has no right to invade Syria. Russia, though, has been asked by the Syrian government for help, a government fully recognized by the UN. Russia has full UN sanctioned rights to help Syria. US news media will never explain this to the public, sadly. ..."
"... Obama's presidency lost its credibility a long time ago. He made so many rash promises and statements which one by one he has broken, that no free thinking person believes anything he says anymore. ..."
"... There's a world of difference between Russia taking steps to protect its immediate geographic and political interests (which were largely the wishes of the resident populations - something critics tend to overlook) and the USA invading Iraq (2003) in a blatant act of war, based on bullshit and then aiding and abetting mercenary terrorists in Syria in defiance of any declaration of war, UN resolution or invitation from the Syrian government to intervene. ..."
"... You might have also noticed that Syria is a long, long way from the USA. Rhetorically, WTF is the US doing in the Middle East? Propping up Saudi or Israel? Or both? ..."
"... ISIS == Mercenaries sponsored by the US, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey. Does a strategy against our own mercenaries make sense??? ..."
"... Think about, when's the last time Saudi Arabia did anything progressive or humane in its foreign policy? Now remember this very same country is on the same side as the Americans. This is the country that invaded Bahrain and Yemen and labelled the civil rights movements in those countries as 'Iranian interference.' The Saudis who have been seeking to turn civil rights movements with rather nationalistic demands into religious and sectarian conflicts by playing different groups against each other are allied with the U.S. and sitting at the table in Vienna talking about peace in Syria. Nonsense upon stilts! ..."
"... ISIS poses no threat to the Americans and vice versa. The Americans therefore do not have an interest in making sure that ISIS is wiped out. On the contrary they want regional foes to suffer. ..."
"... The American attempt at negotiating peace in Syria without Syrian representation is nothing short of ridiculous and best illustrates the convoluted state of American foreign policy. America lost any claim to 'leadership' by now. ..."
"... Unfortunately American policy and that eu have at time added fuel to the fire. ..."
"... Russian Iranian and hezbollah boots are invited boots by the legitimate government according to the UN Charter they are all acting legally and according to the Geneva Conventions etc. ..."
"... The US led coalition in bombing Syria were not, and the admitted introduction of troops into Syria is a an ACT OF WAR by the USA, and it is the AGRESSOR here, not doubt about it. It's a War Crime by every standard ..."
"... See the NATO creep into Eastern Europe against all agreements made with USSR. ..."
"... But their real agenda is to carve up Syria. In the deep recesses of their, the Corporate corrupt White House's, mind ISIS is not their immediate problem. ISIS is a means to an end - carve up Syria a sovereign country. ..."
"... Remember, only months ago, Kerry and Tory William Hague, was handing out cash to Syrian rebels who later turned out to be ISIS rebels. We must never forget, Syria, right or wrong, is a sovereign country. ..."
"... Look at the mess they made in, Ukraine, with their friends a bunch of, Kiev, murdering neo-Nazi's. ..."
"... Just out of curiosity...how will the US keep the DoD and CIA from duking it out at the opposite fronts on the Syrian soil? ..."
"... Washington has clearly chosen to break International Law. ..."
"... Westphalian sovereignty is the principle of international law that each nation state has sovereignty over its territory and domestic affairs, to the exclusion of all external powers, on the principle of non-interference in another country's domestic affairs, and that each state (no matter how large or small) is equal in international law ..."
"... As the administration in Washington is firmly in the grasp of special interest groups such as Big Pharma, The Banksters, Big Agrobusiness, Big oil, the MIC and Israel there is no chance of getting good policy decisions out of there until there is a regime change. ..."
"... You might think that having criticized Assad for shooting demonstrators who demonstrated against the corruption and inefficiency of his regime, and having said that as a result his regime had lost its legitimacy, they would apply the same yardstick to President Poroshenko when he shot up two provinces of his country for asking for federation, killing thousands in the process, but on the contrary they sent "advisers" to train his military and his Fascist helpers to use their weapons better, to shoot them up more effectively. ..."
"... However, one cannot really expect people who are exceptional to behave like ordinary (unexceptional) human beings. ..."
"... What is the official US line on the legality of these deployments in terms of international law? ..."
NATO and its allies in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Syria .... they make a desert and call
it peace.
ID7582903 1 Nov 2015 06:19
"Credibility"? Beware and be aware folks. This isn't a monopoly game being played here; it's
for real.
2015 Valdai conference is Societies Between War and Peace: Overcoming the Logic of Conflict
in Tomorrow's World. In the period between October 19 and 22, experts from 30 countries have been
considering various aspects of the perception of war and peace both in the public consciousness
and in international relations, religion and economic interaction between states. Videos w live
translations and english transcripts (a keeper imho)
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/50548
30 Oct, 2015 - The day US announces Ground troops into Syria, and the day before the downing/crash
of the Russian Airbus 321 in the Sinai, this happened:
Russia has conducted a major test of its strategic missile forces, firing numerous ballistic and
cruise missiles from various training areas across the country, videos
uploaded by the Ministry of Defense have shown.
A routine exercise, possibly the largest of its kind this year, was intended to test the command
system of transmitting orders among departments and involved launches
from military ranges on the ground, at sea and in the air, the ministry said Friday.
30.10.2015
Since the beginning of its operation in Syria on September 30, Russian Aerospace Forces have carried
out 1,391 sorties in Syria, destroying a total of 1,623 terrorist targets, the Russian General
Staff said Friday.
In particular, Russian warplanes destroyed 249 Islamic State command posts, 51 training camps,
and 131 depots, Andrey Kartapolov, head of the Russian General Staff Main Operations Directorate
said.
"In Hanshih, a suburb of Damascus, 17 militants of the Al-Ghuraba group were executed in public
after they tried to leave the combat area and flee to Jordan," he specified. "The whole scene
was filmed in order to disseminate the footage among the other groups operating in the vicinity
of Damascus and other areas", the General Staff spokesman said. In the central regions of the
country, the Syrian Army managed to liberate 12 cities in the Hama province, Kartapolov said.
"The Syrian armed forces continue their advance to the north," the general added.
Yemen is another war the US is involved in thanks to the "peace" Pres. Obama. He has tried
to keep this war hidden from the public. His few mentions of this war have been limited to shallow
statements about his concern of the civilian casualty. What an insult to our intelligence! We
are well aware that the US provides the logistical and technical support, and refuelling of warplanes
to the Saudi coalition illegal war in Yemen. Moreover, by selling the Saudis cluster bombs and
other arms being used on civilians, Obama has enabled the Saudis in the last 8 moths to kill and
destruct in Yemen more than WW2, as evidence shows. According to Amnesty International and Human
Rights Watch, the US is complicit in international war crimes in Yemen.
After Obama's election, he went to Cairo to make a peace speech to the Arab world aiming to
diffuse the deep hatred towards the US created during the Bush era. Yet since then, Obama's foolish
alliances with despotic Arab rulers infesting ISIS and Al-Qaeda in the region, his drone warfare,
and warped war policies in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria and Yemen, have only expanded and strengthened
ISIS and Al-Qaeda, and increased Arab citizens anger and hatred towards the US. This is Obama's
legacy!
Barmaidfromhell -> WSCrips 1 Nov 2015 03:52
Well said.
I always think there are similarities in Clinton and Obama s upbringing that created the
anormic sociopathic shape shifting personalities they demonstrate. Obviously carefully selected
to follow any line given them and amiable even charismatic enough to sell it to a stupid audience.
Why do we maintain the myth that the Obama brand is in anyway his personal contribution.
Anymore than Bush or Clinton. The only difference is the republicans are ideologues where's as
the puppets offered by the democrats are just psychotic shape shifters. In either way on a clear
day you can see the strings hanging from their wrists like ribbons.
Michael Imanual Christos -> Pete Piper 1 Nov 2015 00:28
Pete Piper
In brief;
The US is Allied with Saudi Arabia and Israel, that makes Saudi Arabia's and Israel's enemies
US enemies.
... ... ...
midnightschild10 31 Oct 2015 21:35
When Obama denounced Russia's actions in Syria, and blamed them for massive loss of civilian
lives, Russia responded by asking them to show their proof. The Administration spokesperson said
they got their information from social media. No one in the Administration seems to realize how
utterly stupid that sounds. Marie Harf is happily developing the Administration's foreign policy
via Twitter. As the CIA and NSA read Facebook for their daily planning, Obama reads the comments
section of newspapers to prepare for his speech to the American public in regard to putting boots
on the ground in Syria, and adding to the boots in Iraq. If it didn't result in putting soldiers
lives in jeopardy, it would be considered silly. Putin makes his move and watches as the Obama
Administration makes the only move they know, after minimal success in bombing, Obama does send
in the troops. Putin is the one running the game. Obama's response is so predictable. No wonder
the Russians are laughing. In his quest to outdo Cheyney, Obama has added to the number of wars
the US is currently involved in. His original claim to fame was to end the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan,
which then resulted in starting Iraq and Afghanistan Wars 2.0. Since helping to depose the existing
governments in the Middle East, leading not only to the resurgence of AlQuaeda, and giving birth
to ISIS, and leaving chaos and destruction in his wake, he decided to take down the last standing
ruler, hoping that if he does the same thing over and over, he will get a different result. Obama's
foreign policy legacy had been considered impotent at best, now its considered ridiculous.
SomersetApples 31 Oct 2015 20:03
We bombed them, we sent armies of terrorist in to kill them, we destroyed their hospitals and
power plants and cities, we put sanctions on them and we did everything in our power to cut off
their trading with the outside world, and yet they are still standing.
The only thing left to do, lets send in some special military operatives.
This is so out of character, or our perceived character of Obama. It must be that deranged
idiot John McCain pulling the strings.
Rafiqac01 31 Oct 2015 16:58
The notion that Obama makes his own decisions is laughable except it aint funny....having
just watched CNNs Long Road to Hell in Iraq....and the idiots advising Bush and Blair you have
to wonder the extent to which these are almighty balls ups or very sophisticated planning followed
up by post disaster rationalisation....
whatever the conclusion it proves that the intervention or non interventions prove their is
little the USA has done that has added any good value to the situation...indeed it is an unmitigated
disaster strewn around the world! Trump is the next generation frothing at the mouth ready to
show what a big John Wayne he is!!
DavidFCanada 31 Oct 2015 13:56
There is no 'Obama legacy' in the ME. It is a US legacy of blown attempts to control unwilling
countries and populations by coercion, and by military and economic warfare. That US legacy
will forever remain, burnt into skins and bodies of the living and dead, together with a virtually
unanimous recognition in the ME of the laughable US pretexts of supporting democracy, the rule
of law, religious freedom and, best of all, peace. Obama is merely the chief functionary of a
nation of lies.
Informed17 -> WSCrips 31 Oct 2015 13:47
Are you saying that there was no illegal invasion of Iraq? No vial of laundry detergent was
presented at the UN as "proof" that Iraq has WMDs? No hue and cry from "independent" media supported
that deception campaign? Were you in a deep coma at the time?
Informed17 -> somethingbrite 31 Oct 2015 13:36
No. But the US trampled on the international law for quite a while now, starting with totally
illegal interference in Yugoslavia in the 1990s.
WSCrips 31 Oct 2015 13:18
Hey Guardian Editors.....and all those who worshipped Obama....In America, there were folks
from the older generation that warned us that this Community Organizer was not ready for the Job
of President of the United States....it had nothing to do with his color, he just was not ready.....he
was a young, inexperienced Senator, who never, ever had a real job, never had a street fight growing
up pampered in Hawaii, was given a pass to great universities because his parents had money, and
was the dream Affirmative Action poster boy for the liberal left. Obama has not disappointed anyone
who tried to warn us......and now we will reap what he has sowed:
1. 8 Trillion to our debt
2. Nightmare in the Middleast (how is that Arab Spring)
3. Polarized America....Dems and Republicans hate each other....hate each other like the Irish
and English...10 x over.
4. War on Cops
5. War with China
6. Invasion from Central America
I see a great depression and World War IV on the horizon....and I am being positive!
SaveRMiddle 31 Oct 2015 12:47
Nothing Obama says has any value. We've watched the man lie with a grin and a chuckle.
Forever Gone is all trust.
His continued abuse of Red Line threats spoke volumes about the lawyer who Reactively micromanages
that which required and deserved an expert Proactive plan.
Let History reflect the horrific death CIA meddling Regime Change/Divide and Conquer creates.
HeadInSand2013 31 Oct 2015 12:45
Liberal activists were in little doubt that Obama has failed to live up to his commitment
to avoid getting dragged directly into the war.
With all due respects to M. Obama, this is another clear indication that the US President
is just a figure head. He is a front for the corporations that run the US behind the scene - the
so-called US military-industrial complex.
Liberal activists are stupid enough to think that M. Obama is actually in charge of the US
military or the US foreign policy. Just go back and count how many times during the last 6 years
M. Obama has made a declaration and then - sometimes the next day - US military has over-ruled
him.
Mediaking 31 Oct 2015 10:00
Perhaps you intentionally miss out the fact that it is the west that has Israel and the
Saudis as their best allies, considering their actions ( one with the largest/longest time concentration
camp in history, the other the exporter of the horror show of ISIL , both an abomination of their
respective religions . The west attempt to seek the moral high ground is more than a farce ...
all the world can see and know the game being played, but the mass media wishes to assume everyone
has half a brain... they are allergic to the truth , like the vampires to the light.
USA forces coming to the aid of their 5 individuals... yes 1,2,3,4,5 ( stated by US command-
there are only that amount of FSA fighters left - the rest have gone over to ISIL with their equipment -- ) the local population all speak of ISIL/Daesh being American/Israeli ,they say if this is a
civil war how come all the opposition are foreigners -- I think perhaps it's like the Ukraine affair...
a bunch of CIA paid Nazi thugs instigating a coup ... or like Venezuela agents on roof tops shooting
at both sides in demonstrations to get things going. The usual business of CIA/Mossad stuff in
tune with the mass media with their engineered narratives -- Followed by the trolls on cyber space...
no doubt we shall see them here too.
All note that an Intervention in Syria would be "ILLEGAL" by Int. law and sooner than later
will be sued in billions for it...on top of the billions spent on having a 5 person strong force
of FSA...spent from the American tax payers money . Syria has a government and is considered a
state at the UN . Iran and Russia are there at the request and permission of Syria .
Russia and Iran have been methodically wiping out Washington's mercenaries on the ground while
recapturing large swathes of land that had been lost to the terrorists. Now that the terrorists
are getting wiped out the west and the Saudis are are screaming blue murder !
I for one would have Assad stay , as he himself suggests , till his country is completely free
of terrorists, then have free elections . I would add , to have the Saudis and the ones in the
west/Turkey/Jordan charged for crimes against humanity for supplying and creating Daesh/ISIS .
This element cannot be ignored . Also Kurdistan can form their new country in the regions they
occupy as of this moment and Mosul to come. Iran,Russia,Iraq, Syria and the new Kurdistan will
sign up to this deal . Millions of Syrian refugees can then come back home and rebuild their broken
lives with Iranian help and cash damages from the mentioned instigators $400 billion . The cash
must be paid into the Syrian central bank before any elections take place ... Solved...
My consultancy fee - 200ml pounds sterling... I know ... you wish I ruled the world (who knows
!) - no scams please or else -- ( the else would be an Apocalypse upon the western equity markets
via the Illuminati i.e a 49% crash )... a week to pay , no worries since better to pay for a just
solution than to have million descend upon EU as refugees . It is either this or God's revenge
with no mercy .
amacd2 31 Oct 2015 09:52
Obama, being more honest but also more dangerous than Flip Wilson says, "The Empire made me
do it",
Bernie, having "reservations" about what Obama has done, says nothing against Empire, but continues
to pretend, against all evidence, that this is a democracy.
Hillary, delighting in more war, says "We came, we bombed, they all died, but the Empire won."
Talk about 'The Issue' to debate for the candidates in 2016?
"What's your position on the Empire?"
"Oh, what Empire, you ask?"
"The friggin Empire that you are auditioning to pose as the president of --- you lying tools
of both the neocon 'R' Vichy party and you smoother lying neoliberal-cons of the 'D' Vichy party!"
lightstroke -> Pete Piper 31 Oct 2015 09:41
Nukes are not on the table. Mutually Assured Destruction.
The stick I'm talking about is the total capacity of the US, military and economic, to
have things its way or make the opposition very unhappy.
It's not necessary to win wars to exercise that power. All they have to do is start them and
keep them going until the arms industry makes as much dough from them as possible. That's the
only win they care about.
What has it gotten us? Nothing good. What has it gotten the top 1 percent? All the money
we don't have.
Taku2 31 Oct 2015 09:26
Obama is being an absolute idiot in sending special forces to fight with rebels who are
fighting the legitimate government of Syria. This is stupidity of the highest order. What will
he do when any of these special forces operatives are captured by IS or killed by Russian or Syrian
airstrikes?
How stupid can a President get?
Obama does need to pull back on this one, even though it will make his stupid and erroneous
policy towards the Syrian tragedy seem completely headless. If this stupid and brainless policy
is meant to be symbolic, its potential for future catastrophic consequences is immeasurable.
phillharmonic -> nishville 31 Oct 2015 08:56
That is a valid point: Syria is a sovereign nation recognized by the U.N., and any foreign
troops within without permission would be considered invaders. Of course, the U.S. ignores international
law all the time.
nishville 31 Oct 2015 08:35
Syrian rebels fighting the Islamic State
And who are those then? Do they exist, do we have any reliable source confirming they are really
simultaneously fighting IS and Syrian Army or is it yet another US fairy tale?
Anyway, foreign troops in Syria who are there without an invitation by Syrian government
or authorisation by UNSC are there illegally and can be tried for war crimes if captured. Why
is Obama putting his soldiers in this situation?
phillharmonic 31 Oct 2015 08:33
The U.S. strategy in Syria is in tatters as Obama lamely tries to patch it up. The U.S.
was determined to overthrow the Assad regime in Syria in service of the Saudis, Turkey, and Israel,
while pretending to go after ISIS, who the Saudis and Turks were covertly funding. The U.S. were
arming jihadists to oust Assad. That game is up, thanks to the Russians. Putin decided he wasn't
going to stand by while the U.S. and its proxies created another Libya jihadist disaster in Syria.
The forceful Russian intervention in going after ISIS showed the U.S. to be a faker, and caused
a sea-change in U.S. policy. Now the U.S. can't pretend to go after ISIS while really trying to
oust Assad. The Emporer has no clothes.
amacd2 -> Woody Treasure 31 Oct 2015 08:31
Woody, did you mean "Obama is a foil (for the Disguised Global Crony-Capitalist Empire--- which
he certainly is), or did you mean to say "fool" (which he certainly is not, both because he is
a well paid puppet/poodle for this Global Empire merely HQed in, and 'posing' as, America ---
as Blair and Camron are for the same singular Global Empire --- and because Obama didn't end his
role as Faux/Emperor-president like JFK), eh?
Nena Cassol -> TonyBlunt 31 Oct 2015 06:48
Assad's father seized power with a military coup and ruled the country for 30 years, before
dying he appointed his son, who immediately established marshal law, prompting discontent even
among his father's die-hard loyalists ...this is plain history, is this what you call a legitimate
leader?
Cycles 31 Oct 2015 06:41
Forced to go in otherwise the Russians and Iranians get full control. Welcome to the divided
Syria a la Germany after WW2.
TonyBlunt -> Nena Cassol 31 Oct 2015 06:36
"It does not take much research to find out that Assad is not legitimate at all"
Please share your source with us Nena. But remember Langley Publications don't count.
TonyBlunt -> oldholbornian 31 Oct 2015 06:29
The Americans do not recognise international law. They do not sign up to any of it and proclaim
the right to break it with their "exceptionalism".
Katrin3 -> herrmaya 31 Oct 2015 05:27
The Russians, US, Iran etc are all meeting right now in Vienna. The Russians and the US military
do communicate with each other, to avoid attacking each other by mistake.
The Russians are in the West and N.West of Syria. The US is going into the N. East, near IS
headquarters in Raqqa, to support the Kurdish YPG, who are only a few kilometers from the city.
Katrin3 -> ID6693806 31 Oct 2015 05:15
Israel is an ally of KSA who is funding IS, Al Nusra, Al-Qaida and Al-Shabab. They are
also partners with KSA in trying to prevent Iran's reintegration into global society following
the nuclear deal, and the lifting of sanctions.
I suspect that Israel wants to annex the Syrian Golan Heights permanently, and to extend
their illegal settlements into the area. That can only happen if Assad is defeated.
centerline ChristineH 31 Oct 2015 04:48
The Kurds are the fabled moderate opposition who are willing to negotiate, and who have also
fought with the Syrian government against US backed ISIS and al Nusra so called moderate opposition.
Pete Piper -> Verbum 31 Oct 2015 04:47
@Verbum Wow, you make a lot of sense. I always thought the US military heavy foreign policy became
insane because of Reagan. Maybe it was the loss of the USSR?
Everyone here grew up being taught that the US is the champion of all that is good (sounds
corny today). When the USSR dissolved, everyone imagined huge military cuts with the savings being
invested in social benefits. If someone had predicted that, instead, we would grow our military,
throw our civil rights away, embrace empire, assasinate US citizens without a trial, create total
surveillance, create secret one sided star-chamber FISA courts that control a third of our economy,
and choose a Dept. name heard previously only in Nazi movies (Homeland Security) --- we'd have
laughed and dismissed the warning as delusion.
gabriel90 -> confettifoot 31 Oct 2015 04:46
ISiS is destroying Syria thanks to the US and Saudi Arabia; its an instrument to spread chaos
in the Middle East and attack Iran and Russia...
ChristineH 31 Oct 2015 04:21
So, on the day peace talks open, the US unilaterally announces advice boots on the ground to
support one of the many sides in the Syrian War, who will undoubtedly want self determination,
right on Turkey's border, as they always have, and as has always been opposed by the majority
of the Syrian population. What part of that isn't completely mad?
Great sympathy for the situation of the Kurds in Syria under Assad, but their nationalism issue
and inability to work together with the Sunni rebels, was a major factor in the non formation
of a functioning opposition in Syria, and will be a block to peace, not its cause. It's also part
of a larger plan to have parts of Turkey and Iraq under Kurdish control to create a contingent
kingdom. Whatever the merits of that, the US deciding to support them at this stage is completely
irrational, and with Russia and Iran supporting Assad will lengthen the war, not shorten it.
MissSarajevo 31 Oct 2015 04:21
Just a couple of things here. How does the US know who the moderates are?!? Is this another
occasion that the US is going to use International law as toilet paper? The US will enter (as
if they weren't already there, illegally. They were not invited in by the legitimate leader of
Syria.
gabriel90 31 Oct 2015 04:19
Warbama is just trying to save his saudi/qatari/turk/emirati dogs of war... they will be wiped
out by Russia and the axis of resistance...
Pete Piper -> Michael Imanual Christos 31 Oct 2015 04:08
Does anyone see anything rational in US foreign policy? When I hear attempts to explain, they
vary around .. "it's about oil". But no one ever shows evidence continuous wars produced more
oil for anyone. So, are we deliberately creating chaos and misery? Why? To make new enemies we
can use to justify more war? We've now classified the number of countries we are bombing. Why?
The countries being bombed surely know.
Pete Piper -> oldholbornian 31 Oct 2015 03:50
You are correct. Obama is breaking UN international law, the US has no right to invade
Syria. Russia, though, has been asked by the Syrian government for help, a government fully recognized
by the UN. Russia has full UN sanctioned rights to help Syria. US news media will never explain
this to the public, sadly.
Only the US routinely violates other nations' sovergnity. Since Korea, the only nation that
has ever used military force against a nation not on its border is the US.
Can anyone find rationality in US foreign policy? We are supposed to be fighting ISIL, but
Saudi Arabia and Israel appear to be helping ISIL to force Syrian regime change. And the US is
supplying weapons to Saudi Arabia that are routed to ISIL. Supposedly because eliminating President
Asad is more important than fighting ISIL? The US public is being misled into thinking we are
NOW fighting ISIL. After Asad is killed, then we will genuinely fight ISIL? Russia, Iran, and
more(?) will fight to keep Asad in power and then fight ISIL? THIS IS OBVIOUS BS, AND ALSO FUBAR.
By all means, get everyone together for some diplomacy.
oldholbornian -> lesmandalasdeniki 31 Oct 2015 03:36
Well lets look at Germany the centre of christian culture and the EU
reminds me of emporer franz josef in europe about 100 years ago .. meant well but led to ruination
..i dont think that there has been an american president involved in more wars than obama
obama by his cairo speech kicked of the arab spring ..shows that words can kill
however.. the experience he now has gained may lead to an avoidance of a greater sunni shia
war in syria if the present vienna talks can offer something tangible and preserve honour to the
sunnis .. in the mid east honour and macho are key elements in negotiations
iran however is a shia caliphate based regime and unless it has learnt the lesson from yemen
on the limitations of force may push for further success via army and diplomacy and control in
syria and iraq
oldholbornian 31 Oct 2015 02:42
But Obama's latest broken promise to avoid an "open-ended action" in Syria could lead to a
full-blown war with Russia considering that Russian military has been operating in Syria for weeks.
" For the first time ever, the American strategists have developed an illusion that they
may defeat a nuclear power in a non-nuclear war," Russian deputy prime minister Dmitry Rogozin
told AP. "It's nonsense, and it will never happen."
Any US / terrorist engagement with the Syrian security forces will include engaging with its
allies Russia
Once the firing starts Russia will include the US as terrorists with no rights to be in Syrian
and under the UN RULES have the right to defend themselves against the US
HollyOldDog -> foolisholdman 31 Oct 2015 02:32
Hmm Foreign snipers on rooftops ( not in the control of the government) how many times is this
scenario going to be played out before the 'press' twigs it than something is not making sense.
HollyOldDog -> foolisholdman 31 Oct 2015 02:29
Though in one demonstration there was snipers on rooftops shooting both deconstratirs and the
police - far more police were killed than demonstrators - what does this reming you of? Was these
actions seemingly out of the control of the government a preliminary to what happened in Kiev
during the maidan - practices get the technics right I suppose. - outside forces were obviously
at work ' stirring the pot.
Anna Eriksson 31 Oct 2015 02:24
Let's hope that the US will help out with taking in some refugees as well! In Germany, and
Sweden locals are becoming so frustrated and angry that they set refugee shelters on fire. This
is a trend in both Sweden and Germany, as shown in the maps in the links. There have almost been
90 arsons in Germany so far this year, almost 30 in Sweden.
Nobody tells the American people and nobody else really cares, but these 40-something guys
being sent to Syria are possibly there as:
cannon fodder: to deter the Russians from bombing and Iranians from attacking on the ground
the American friendly anti-Assad militant groups;
to collect and report more accurate intel from the front line (again about the Russian/Iranian
troops deployment/movement).
The Russian and Iranian troops on the ground will soon engage and sweep anti-Assad forces in
key regions in Western Syria. This will be slightly impeded if Americans are among them. But accidents
do happen, hence the term "cannon fodder".
The Russians and Iranians will likely take a step back militarily though for the duration of
talks, so the American plan to protect Saudi backed fighters is likely to work.
I never involved or mentioned ISIS because this is NOT about fighting ISIS. It's about counteracting
the Russian/Irania sweep in the area, and ultimately keeping the Americans in the game (sorry,
war).
petervietnam 31 Oct 2015 01:13
The world's policeman or the world's trouble maker?
Austin Young -> Will D 31 Oct 2015 00:34
But he's the "change we can believe in" guy! Oh right... Dem or republican, they spew anything
and everything their voters want to hear but when it comes time to walk the walk the only voice
in their head is Cash Money.
lesmandalasdeniki -> Bardhyl Cenolli 30 Oct 2015 23:34
It frustrates me, anyone who will be the problem-solver will be labeled as dangerous by the
Western political and business leaders if the said person or group of people can not be totally
controlled for their agenda.
This will be the first time I will be speaking about the Indonesian forest fires that started
from June this year until now. During the period I was not on-line, I watched the local news and
all channels were featuring the same problem every day during the last two-weeks.
US is also silent about it during Obama - Jokowi meeting, even praising Jokowi being on the
right track. After Jokowi came back, his PR spin is in the force again, he went directly to Palembang,
he held office and trying to put up an image of a President that cared for his people. He couldn't
solve the Indonesian forest fires from June - October, is it probably because Jusuf Kalla has
investment in it?
My point is, US and the Feds, World Bank and IMF are appointing their puppets on each country
they have put up an investment on terms of sovereign debt and corporate debt/bonds.
And Obama is their puppet.
Will D 30 Oct 2015 23:30
Obama's presidency lost its credibility a long time ago. He made so many rash promises
and statements which one by one he has broken, that no free thinking person believes anything
he says anymore.
He has turned out to be a massive disappointment to all those who had such high hopes that
he really would make the world a better place. His failure and his abysmal track record will cause
him to be remembered as the Nobel Peace prize wining president who did exactly the opposite of
what he promised, and failed to further the cause of peace.
Greg_Samsa -> Greenacres2002 30 Oct 2015 23:07
Consistency is at the heart of logic, all mathematics, and hard sciences.
Even the legal systems strive to be free of contradictions.
I'd rather live in world with consistency of thought and action as represented by the Russian
Federation, then be mired in shit created by the US who have shed all the hobgoblins pestering
the consistency of their thoughts and actions.
Never truly understood the value of this stupid quote really...
Phil Atkinson -> PaulF77 30 Oct 2015 22:28
There's a world of difference between Russia taking steps to protect its immediate geographic
and political interests (which were largely the wishes of the resident populations - something
critics tend to overlook) and the USA invading Iraq (2003) in a blatant act of war, based on bullshit
and then aiding and abetting mercenary terrorists in Syria in defiance of any declaration of war,
UN resolution or invitation from the Syrian government to intervene.
You might have also noticed that Syria is a long, long way from the USA. Rhetorically,
WTF is the US doing in the Middle East? Propping up Saudi or Israel? Or both?
MainstreamMedia Propaganda 30 Oct 2015 22:03
ISIS == Mercenaries sponsored by the US, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey. Does a strategy against
our own mercenaries make sense???
I think blatant policy changes like this show just how ineffectual the US president actually
is. The hand over between Bush and Obama has been seamless. Gitmo still going, patriot act renewed,
Libya a smoldering ruin (4 years down the line), no progress on gun control, troops in Afganistan
and Iraq... it goes on...
HowSicklySeemAll 30 Oct 2015 21:58
"It's really hard to see how this tiny number of troops embedded on the ground is going
to turn the tide in any way."
Or the U.S. could carry out air strikes against Hezbollah which has been fighting ISIS for
a while now. They could also supply weapons to ISIS (who are dubbed 'moderates') to counter Russian
airstrikes and Iranian man power.
Think about, when's the last time Saudi Arabia did anything progressive or humane in its
foreign policy? Now remember this very same country is on the same side as the Americans. This
is the country that invaded Bahrain and Yemen and labelled the civil rights movements in those
countries as 'Iranian interference.' The Saudis who have been seeking to turn civil rights movements
with rather nationalistic demands into religious and sectarian conflicts by playing different
groups against each other are allied with the U.S. and sitting at the table in Vienna talking
about peace in Syria. Nonsense upon stilts!
Phil Atkinson -> Harry Bhai 30 Oct 2015 21:57
Fuck the al-Sauds and their oil. If the US wants their oil (and there's plenty of other oil
sellers in the world) then just take it. Why not be consistent?
templeforjerusalem 30 Oct 2015 21:51
IS has shown itself to be deeply hateful of anything that conflicts with their narrow religious
interpretations. Destroying Palmyra, murdering indiscriminately, without any clear international
agenda other than the formation of a new Sunni Sharia State, makes them essentially enemies of
everybody. Although I do agree that belligerent secular Netanyahu's Israel sets a bad example
in the area, Israel does not tend to murder over the same primitive values that IS uses, although
there's not much difference in reality.
IS uses extermination tactics, Israel used forced land clearance and concentration camp bombing
(Gaza et al), while the US in Iraq used brutal force. None of this is good but nothing justifies
the shear barbarism of IS. Is there hope in any of this? No. Is Russian and US involvement a major
escalation? Yes.
Ultimately, this is about religious identities refusing to share and demand peace. Sunni vs
Shia, Judeo/Catholic/Protestant West vs Russian Orthodox, secular vs orthodox Israel. No wonder
people are saying Armageddon.
HowSicklySeemAll 30 Oct 2015 21:50
ISIS poses no threat to the Americans and vice versa. The Americans therefore do not have
an interest in making sure that ISIS is wiped out. On the contrary they want regional foes to
suffer. The only countries and groups that have been successfully fighting ISIS - Assad's
forces, Iranians, Hezbollah, Russians, and Kurds are in fact enemies of either the U.S., Saudis,
Israelis, or Turks. Isn't that strange? The countries and peoples that have suffered the most
and that have actually fought against ISIS effectively are seen as the enemy. Do the powers that
be really want to wipe out ISIS at all costs? No, especially if it involves the Iranians and Russians.
How are Russian boots on the ground - of which there have been many for some time - ok
and American boots bad?
The difference is that of a poison and the antidotum. The American/NATO meddling in Iraq, Libya
and Syria created a truly sick situation which needs to be fixed. That's what the Russians are
doing. Obviously, they have their own objectives and motives for that and are protecting their
own interests, but nevertheless this is the surest way to re-establish semblance of stability
in the Middle East, rebuilt Syria and Iraq, stop the exodus of the refugees, and mend relations
in the region.
The American attempt at negotiating peace in Syria without Syrian representation is nothing
short of ridiculous and best illustrates the convoluted state of American foreign policy. America
lost any claim to 'leadership' by now.
I feel sorry for Mr Obama, and indeed America, because he is a decent person, yet most of us
are unaware what forces he has to reckon with behind the scenes. It is clear by now that interests
of corporations and rich individuals, as well as a couple of seemingly insignificant foreign states,
beat the national interest of America all time, anytime. It is astonishing how a powerful, hard
working and talented nation can become beholden to such forces, to its own detriment.
In the end, I do not think the situation is uniquely American. Russia or China given a chance
of total hegemony would behave the same. That's why we need a field of powers/superpowers to keep
one another in check and negotiate rather than enforce solutions.
ID9309755 -> pegasusrose2011 30 Oct 2015 21:02
Unfortunately American policy and that eu have at time added fuel to the fire. Yes,
the me has its own problems, including rival versions of Islam and fundamentalism as well as truly
megalomaniac leaders. But in instances (Libya for example) they did truly contribute to the country's
destruction (and I am not excusing Gaddafi, but for the people there sometimes having these leaders
and waiting for generational transformations may be a better solution than instant democracy pills.)
ID7582903 -> pegasusrose2011 30 Oct 2015 21:00
Russian Iranian and hezbollah boots are invited boots by the legitimate government according
to the UN Charter they are all acting legally and according to the Geneva Conventions etc.
The US led coalition in bombing Syria were not, and the admitted introduction of troops
into Syria is a an ACT OF WAR by the USA, and it is the AGRESSOR here, not doubt about it. It's
a War Crime by every standard
Obama and the "regime" that rules the United Snakes of America have all gone over the edge
into insanity writ large.
ID9309755 -> pegasusrose2011 30 Oct 2015 20:55
To clarify, I meant that all these groups are funded by these Arabic sheikhdoms and it increasingly
appears that th us of a is not as serious in eradicating all of them in the illusion that the
so called softer ones will over through Assad and then it will be democracy, the much misused
and fetishised term. Meanwhile we can carve up the country, Turkey gets a bite and our naughty
bloated allies in Arabia will be happy with their influence. Only if it happened that way...
There is much more than this short and simplified scenario, and yes Russia played its hand
rather well taking the west off guard. And I am not trying to portray Putin as some liberation
prophet either. So perhaps you could say that yes, maybe I have looked into it deep...
BlooperMario -> RedEyedOverlord 30 Oct 2015 20:52
China and Russia are only responding to NY World Bank and IMF cheats and also standing up to
an evil empire that has ruined the middle east.
Time you had a rethink old chap and stopped worshipping Blair; Bush; Rumsfeld etc as your heros.
See the NATO creep into Eastern Europe against all agreements made with USSR.
Silly Sailors provoking Chinese Lighthouse keepers.
RoyRoger 30 Oct 2015 19:30
Their Plan B is fucked !!
But their real agenda is to carve up Syria. In the deep recesses of their, the Corporate
corrupt White House's, mind ISIS is not their immediate problem. ISIS is a means to an end - carve
up Syria a sovereign country.
Remember, only months ago, Kerry and Tory William Hague, was handing out cash to Syrian
rebels who later turned out to be ISIS rebels. We must never forget, Syria, right or wrong, is
a sovereign country.
The real battle/plan for the Corporate corrupt White House is to try and get a foothold in
Syria and establish a military dictator after a coup d'etat'. As we know it's what they, the West,
do best.
Look at the mess they made in, Ukraine, with their friends a bunch of, Kiev, murdering
neo-Nazi's.
In the interest of right is right; Good Luck Mr Putin !! I'm with you all the way.
weematt 30 Oct 2015 19:25
War (and poverty too) a consequence, concomitant, of competing for markets, raw materials and
trade routes or areas of geo-political dominance, come to be seen as 'natural' outcomes of society,
but are merely concomitants of a changeable social system.
... ... ...
Greg_Samsa 30 Oct 2015 19:21
Just out of curiosity...how will the US keep the DoD and CIA from duking it out at the
opposite fronts on the Syrian soil?
This gives a whole new dimension to the term 'blue-on-blue'.
Kevin Donegan 30 Oct 2015 18:59
Washington has clearly chosen to break International Law.
"Westphalian sovereignty is the principle of international law that each nation state has sovereignty
over its territory and domestic affairs, to the exclusion of all external powers, on the principle
of non-interference in another country's domestic affairs, and that each state (no matter how
large or small) is equal in international law. The doctrine is named after the Peace of Westphalia,
signed in 1648, which ended the Thirty Years' War, in which the major continental European states
– the Holy Roman Empire, Spain, France, Sweden and the Dutch Republic – agreed to respect one
another's territorial integrity. As European influence spread across the globe, the Westphalian
principles, especially the concept of sovereign states, became central to international law and
to the prevailing world order.[1]"
foolisholdman 30 Oct 2015 18:41
As the administration in Washington is firmly in the grasp of special interest groups such
as Big Pharma, The Banksters, Big Agrobusiness, Big oil, the MIC and Israel there is no chance
of getting good policy decisions out of there until there is a regime change.
If ever there was a government hat had lost its legitimacy the present US government is it.
foolisholdman -> Johnny Kent 30 Oct 2015 18:31
Johnny Kent
The slight question of legality in placing troops in a sovereign country without permission
or UN approval is obviously of no importance to the US...and yet they criticise Russia for
'annexing Crimea...
Yes, but you see: the two cases are not comparable because the USA is exceptional.
You might think that having criticized Assad for shooting
demonstrators who demonstrated
against the corruption and inefficiency of his regime, and having said that as a result his regime
had lost its legitimacy, they would apply the same yardstick to President Poroshenko when he shot
up two provinces of his country for asking for federation, killing thousands in the process, but
on the contrary they sent "advisers" to train his military and his Fascist helpers to use their
weapons better, to shoot them up more effectively.
However, one cannot really expect people who are exceptional to behave like ordinary (unexceptional)
human beings.
WalterCronkiteBot 30 Oct 2015 17:11
What is the official US line on the legality of these deployments in terms of international
law?
Noone seems to even raise it as an issue, its all about congressional approval. Just like the
UK drone strikes.
"... In January, the New York Times finally reported on a secret 2013 Presidential order to the CIA to arm Syrian rebels. As the account explained, Saudi Arabia provides substantial financing of the armaments, while the CIA, under Obama's orders, provides organizational support and training. ..."
"... What kinds of arms are the US, Saudis, Turks, Qataris, and others supplying to the Syrian rebels? Which groups are receiving the arms? What is the role of US troops, air cover, and other personnel in the war? The US government isn't answering these questions, and mainstream media aren't pursuing them, either. ..."
"... Through occasional leaks, investigative reports, statements by other governments, and rare statements by US officials, we know that America is engaged in an active, ongoing, CIA-coordinated war both to overthrow Assad and to fight ISIS. America's allies in the anti-Assad effort include Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Qatar, and other countries in the region. The US has spent billions of dollars on arms, training, special operations forces, air strikes, and logistical support for the rebel forces, including international mercenaries. American allies have spent billions of dollars more. The precise sums are not reported. ..."
"... To those at the center of the US military-industrial complex, this secrecy is as it should be. Their position is that a vote by Congress 15 years ago authorizing the use of armed force against those culpable for the 9/11 attack gives the president and military carte blanche to fight secret wars in the Middle East and Africa. Why should the US explain publicly what it is doing? That would only jeopardize the operations and strengthen the enemy. The public does not need to know. ..."
"... I subscribe to a different view: wars should be a last resort and should be constrained by democratic scrutiny. This view holds that America's secret war in Syria is illegal both under the US Constitution (which gives Congress the sole power to declare war) and under the United Nations Charter, and that America's two-sided war in Syria is a cynical and reckless gamble. The US-led efforts to topple Assad are not aimed at protecting the Syrian people, as Obama and Clinton have suggested from time to time, but are a US proxy war against Iran and Russia, in which Syria happens to be the battleground. ..."
"... The stakes of this war are much higher and much more dangerous than America's proxy warriors imagine. As the US has prosecuted its war against Assad, Russia has stepped up its military support to his government. In the US mainstream media, Russia's behavior is an affront: how dare the Kremlin block the US from overthrowing the Syrian government? The result is a widening diplomatic clash with Russia, one that could escalate and lead – perhaps inadvertently – to the point of military conflict. ..."
"... This is the main reason why the US security state refuses to tell the truth. The American people would call for peace rather than perpetual war. Obama has a few months left in office to repair his broken legacy. He should start by leveling with the American people. ..."
Syria's civil war is the most dangerous and destructive crisis on the planet. Since early 2011,
hundreds of thousands have died; around ten million Syrians have been displaced; Europe has been
convulsed with Islamic State (ISIS) terror and the political fallout of refugees; and the United
States and its NATO allies have more than once come perilously close to direct confrontation with
Russia.
Unfortunately, President Barack Obama has greatly compounded the dangers by hiding the US role
in Syria from the American people and from world opinion. An end to the Syrian war requires an honest
accounting by the US of its ongoing, often secretive role in the Syrian conflict since 2011, including
who is funding, arming, training, and abetting the various sides. Such exposure would help bring
to an end many countries' reckless actions.
A widespread – and false – perception is that Obama has kept the US out of the Syrian war. Indeed,
the US right wing routinely criticizes him for having drawn a line in the sand for Syrian President
Bashar al-Assad over chemical weapons, and then backing off when Assad allegedly crossed it (the
issue remains murky and disputed, like so much else in Syria). A leading columnist for the Financial
Times, repeating the erroneous idea that the US has remained on the sidelines,
recently implied that Obama had rejected the advice of then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton
to arm the Syrian rebels fighting Assad.
Yet the curtain gets lifted from time to time. In January, the New York Times
finally reported on a secret 2013 Presidential order to the CIA to arm Syrian rebels. As the
account explained, Saudi Arabia provides substantial financing of the armaments, while the CIA, under
Obama's orders, provides organizational support and training.
Unfortunately, the story came and went without further elaboration by the US government or follow
up by the New York Times. The public was left in the dark: How big are the ongoing CIA-Saudi
operations? How much is the US spending on Syria per year? What kinds of arms are the US, Saudis,
Turks, Qataris, and others supplying to the Syrian rebels? Which groups are receiving the arms? What
is the role of US troops, air cover, and other personnel in the war? The US government isn't answering
these questions, and mainstream media aren't pursuing them, either.
On
more than a dozen occasions, Obama has told the American people that there would be "no US boots
on the ground." Yet every few months, the public is also notified in a brief government statement
that US special operations forces are being deployed to Syria. The Pentagon
routinely denies that they are in the front lines. But when Russia and the Assad government recently
carried out bombing runs and artillery fire against rebel strongholds in northern Syria, the US notified
the Kremlin that the attacks were threatening American troops on the ground. The public has been
given no explanation about their mission, its costs, or counterparties in Syria.
Through occasional leaks, investigative reports, statements by other governments, and rare
statements by US officials, we know that America is engaged in an active, ongoing, CIA-coordinated
war both to overthrow Assad and to fight ISIS. America's allies in the anti-Assad effort include
Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Qatar, and other countries in the region. The US has spent billions of dollars
on arms, training, special operations forces, air strikes, and logistical support for the rebel forces,
including international mercenaries. American allies have spent billions of dollars more. The precise
sums are not reported.
The US public has had no say in these decisions. There has been no authorizing vote or budget
approval by the US Congress. The CIA's role has never been explained or justified. The domestic and
international legality of US actions has never been defended to the American people or the world.
To those at the center of the US military-industrial complex, this secrecy is as it should
be. Their position is that a vote by Congress 15 years ago authorizing the use of armed force against
those culpable for the 9/11 attack gives the president and military carte blanche to fight secret
wars in the Middle East and Africa. Why should the US explain publicly what it is doing? That would
only jeopardize the operations and strengthen the enemy. The public does not need to know.
I subscribe to a different view: wars should be a last resort and should be constrained by
democratic scrutiny. This view holds that America's secret war in Syria is illegal both under the
US Constitution (which gives Congress the sole power to declare war) and under the United Nations
Charter, and that America's two-sided war in Syria is a cynical and reckless gamble. The US-led efforts
to topple Assad are not aimed at protecting the Syrian people, as Obama and Clinton have suggested
from time to time, but are a US proxy war against Iran and Russia, in which Syria happens to be the
battleground.
The stakes of this war are much higher and much more dangerous than America's proxy warriors
imagine. As the US has prosecuted its war against Assad, Russia has stepped up its military support
to his government. In the US mainstream media, Russia's behavior is an affront: how dare the Kremlin
block the US from overthrowing the Syrian government? The result is a widening diplomatic clash with
Russia, one that could escalate and lead – perhaps inadvertently – to the point of military conflict.
These are issues that should be subject to legal scrutiny and democratic control. I am confident
that the American people would respond with a resounding "no" to the ongoing US-led war of regime
change in Syria. The American people want security – including the defeat of ISIS – but they also
recognize the long and disastrous history of US-led regime-change efforts, including in Afghanistan,
Iraq, Libya, Syria, Central America, Africa, and Southeast Asia.
This is the main reason why the US security state refuses to tell the truth. The American
people would call for peace rather than perpetual war. Obama has a few months left in office to repair
his broken legacy. He should start by leveling with the American people.
"... Michele Flournoy, formerly the third-ranking civilian in the Pentagon under President Barack Obama, called for "limited military coercion" to help remove Assad from power in Syria, including a "no bombing" zone over parts of Syria held by U.S.-backed rebels. ..."
"Information Clearing House" - "Defense One" - The woman expected to run
the Pentagon under Hillary Clinton said she would direct U.S. troops to push
President Bashar al-Assad's forces out of southern Syria and would send more
American boots to fight the Islamic State in the region.
Michele Flournoy, formerly the third-ranking civilian in the Pentagon under
President Barack Obama, called for "limited military coercion" to help remove
Assad from power in Syria, including a "no bombing" zone over parts of Syria
held by U.S.-backed rebels.
Looks like Israel count of IS to serve as a counterbalancing force able to weaken Hezbollah
Notable quotes:
"... A weak IS is, counterintuitively, preferable to a destroyed IS. IS is a magnet for radicalized Muslims in countries throughout the world. These volunteers are easier targets to identify, saving intelligence work. They acquire destructive skills in the fields of Syria and Iraq that are of undoubted concern if they return home, but some of them acquire shaheed ..."
"... Furthermore, Hizballah – a radical Shiite anti-Western organization subservient to Iran – is being seriously taxed by the fight against IS, a state of affairs that suits Western interests. A Hizballah no longer involved in the Syrian civil war might engage once again in the taking of western hostages and other terrorist acts in Europe. ..."
"... The West yearns for stability, and holds out a naive hope that the military defeat of IS will be instrumental in reaching that goal. But stability is not a value in and of itself. It is desirable only if it serves our interests. The defeat of IS would encourage Iranian hegemony in the region, buttress Russia's role, and prolong Assad's tyranny. Tehran, Moscow, and Damascus do not share our democratic values and have little inclination to help America and the West. ..."
"... Efraim Inbar, director of the Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies, is professor emeritus of political studies at Bar-Ilan University and a fellow at the Middle East Forum. ..."
The Destruction of Islamic State is a Strategic Mistake
EXECUTIVE SUMMARY: The West should seek the further weakening of Islamic State, but not
its destruction. A weak but functioning IS can undermine the appeal of the caliphate among radical
Muslims; keep bad actors focused on one another rather than on Western targets; and hamper Iran's
quest for regional hegemony.
US Defense Secretary Ashton Carter recently gathered defense ministers from allied nations to
plan what officials hope will be the decisive stage in the campaign to eradicate the Islamic State
(IS) organization. This is a strategic mistake.
IS, a radical Islamist group, has killed thousands of people since it declared an Islamic caliphate
in June 2014, with the Syrian city of Raqqa as its de facto capital. It captured tremendous international
attention by swiftly conquering large swaths of land and by releasing gruesome pictures of beheadings
and other means of execution.
But IS is primarily successful where there is a political void. Although the offensives in Syria
and Iraq showed IS's tactical capabilities, they were directed against failed states with weakened
militaries. On occasions when the poorly trained IS troops have met well-organized opposition, even
that of non-state entities like the Kurdish militias, the group's performance has been less convincing.
When greater military pressure was applied and Turkish support dwindled, IS went into retreat.
It is true that IS has ignited immense passion among many young and frustrated Muslims all over
the world, and the caliphate idea holds great appeal among believers. But the relevant question is
what can IS do, particularly in its current situation? The terrorist activities for which it recently
took responsibility were perpetrated mostly by lone wolves who declared their allegiance to IS; they
were not directed from Raqqa. On its own, IS is capable of only limited damage.
A weak IS is, counterintuitively, preferable to a destroyed IS. IS is a magnet for radicalized
Muslims in countries throughout the world. These volunteers are easier targets to identify, saving
intelligence work. They acquire destructive skills in the fields of Syria and Iraq that are of undoubted
concern if they return home, but some of them acquire shaheed status while still away –
a blessing for their home countries. If IS is fully defeated, more of these people are likely to
come home and cause trouble.
If IS loses control over its territory, the energies that went into protecting and governing a
state will be directed toward organizing more terrorist attacks beyond its borders. The collapse
of IS will produce a terrorist diaspora that might further radicalize Muslim immigrants in the West.
Most counter-terrorism agencies understand this danger. Prolonging the life of IS probably assures
the deaths of more Muslim extremists at the hands of other bad guys in the Middle East, and is likely
to spare the West several terrorist attacks.
Moreover, a weak and lingering IS could undermine the attraction of the caliphate idea. A dysfunctional
and embattled political entity is more conducive to the disillusionment of Muslim adherents of a
caliphate in our times than an IS destroyed by a mighty America-led coalition. The latter scenario
perfectly fits the narrative of continuous and perfidious efforts on the part of the West to destroy
Islam, which feeds radical Muslim hatred for everything the West stands for.
The continuing existence of IS serves a strategic purpose. Why help the brutal Assad regime win
the Syrian civil war? Many radical Islamists in the opposition forces, i.e., Al Nusra and its offshoots,
might find other arenas in which to operate closer to Paris and Berlin. Is it in the West's interests
to strengthen the Russian grip on Syria and bolster its influence in the Middle East? Is enhancing
Iranian control of Iraq congruent with American objectives in that country? Only the strategic folly
that currently prevails in Washington can consider it a positive to enhance the power of the Moscow-Tehran-Damascus
axis by cooperating with Russia against IS.
Furthermore, Hizballah – a radical Shiite anti-Western organization subservient to Iran –
is being seriously taxed by the fight against IS, a state of affairs that suits Western interests.
A Hizballah no longer involved in the Syrian civil war might engage once again in the taking of western
hostages and other terrorist acts in Europe.
The Western distaste for IS brutality and immorality should not obfuscate strategic clarity. IS
are truly bad guys, but few of their opponents are much better. Allowing bad guys to kill bad guys
sounds very cynical, but it is useful and even moral to do so if it keeps the bad guys busy and less
able to harm the good guys. The Hobbesian reality of the Middle East does not always present a neat
moral choice.
The West yearns for stability, and holds out a naive hope that the military defeat of IS will
be instrumental in reaching that goal. But stability is not a value in and of itself. It is desirable
only if it serves our interests. The defeat of IS would encourage Iranian hegemony in the region,
buttress Russia's role, and prolong Assad's tyranny. Tehran, Moscow, and Damascus do not share our
democratic values and have little inclination to help America and the West.
Moreover, instability and crises sometimes contain portents of positive change. Unfortunately,
the Obama administration fails to see that its main enemy is Iran. The Obama administration has inflated
the threat from IS in order to legitimize Iran as a "responsible" actor that will, supposedly, fight
IS in the Middle East. This was part of the Obama administration's rationale for its nuclear deal
with Iran and central to its "legacy," which is likely to be ill-remembered.
The American administration does not appear capable of recognizing the fact that IS can be a useful
tool in undermining Tehran's ambitious plan for domination of the Middle East.
Efraim Inbar, director of the Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies, is professor emeritus
of political studies at Bar-Ilan University and a fellow at the Middle East Forum.
BESA Center Perspectives Papers are published through the generosity of the Greg Rosshandler Family
"... vote for Clinton is vote for globalization, while vote for Trump is vote for anti-globalization ..."
"... Recall that the Obomber passed the legislation that legalized propaganda (lying to the public) and permits no remedy other than the ability to protest in fenced in free speech zones until the cops show up as head knockers or agents provocateurs. ..."
"... You say that Trump's economic policies as U.S. president would be catastrophic for those most likely to vote for him. Anyone's economic policies will be catastrophic for those most likely to vote for Trump. That's baked into the political and economic structure of things. It is part of the natural order. ..."
"... The difference with Trump is that after the economic catastrophe that will happen--is now happening , it may be possible under a Trump administration to pick things up and rebuild. Under any other likely regime, the aftermath of economic catastrophe will be limitless debt peonage and unlimited oligarchy. ..."
"... The shooting down of an Israeli warplane by Syria has not been reported by Western and Israeli media sources. According to Sputnik, on August 21, "the Israeli Air Force resumed airstrikes on Western Syria, targeting a government army base at Khan Al-Sheih in Damascus province and another in the al-Quneitra province after a six-hour halt in attacks that followed their multiple air raids over the Golan Heights." ..."
Some real beauties in there alright. Kerry giving himself yet another uppercut.
"...U.S. officials say it is imperative that Russia use its influence with Syrian President
Bashar Assad to halt all attacks on moderate opposition forces, ..."
Not Assad must go. Not close. Yet, still blissfully ignorant of the fact their more extreme
moderates are getting their jollies out of hacking sick 12 year old kids heads off with fishing
knive. I wonder at what point does 'moderate' become a dirty word...?
@Noirette Pt1
Big crowds scare Hillary these days. Best not to shake her up too much. I wonder though,
how she expects to compete with Trumps fervour... must be pretty happy that they can do a nice
back door job on election day. When opening act Rudy G is getting pummelled with calls of 'does
Rudy have Alzheimer's...?' you know you're doing something right - really, just...awesome political
theatre.
The ZioMedia is in the tank for Hillary. Impossible for a candidate who cannot draw a crowd to
be "ahead in the polls". And a candidate who packs 10K ppl into any given space at will to be
"behind in the polls". Humiliatingly low turnout for the HBomb is stage-crafted by all ziomedia
outlets to hide this embarrassing fact.
Recall that Billy Blowjob ushered in Media Consolidation which gave 5 ziomedia corporations
carte blanche to bullshit the public.
Recall that the Obomber passed the legislation that legalized propaganda (lying to the
public) and permits no remedy other than the ability to protest in fenced in free speech zones
until the cops show up as head knockers or agents provocateurs.
I was reading articles on the Turkish attack into Syria and there is no mention of the Syrian
government nor whether/when/if Turkey will engage the Syrian Army. But then I found this chart
from CNN:
For one thing, they pretend ISIS has no support. We all know differently. Also, it looks like
every one is fighting ISIS except ..... Free Syrian Army and Saudi Arabia and Gulf Allies.
You say that Trump's economic policies as U.S. president would be catastrophic for those most
likely to vote for him. Anyone's economic policies will be catastrophic for those most likely
to vote for Trump. That's baked into the political and economic structure of things. It is part
of the natural order.
The difference with Trump is that after the economic catastrophe that will happen--is now
happening , it may be possible under a Trump administration to pick things up and rebuild. Under
any other likely regime, the aftermath of economic catastrophe will be limitless debt peonage
and unlimited oligarchy.
The shooting down of an Israeli warplane by Syria has not been reported by Western and Israeli
media sources. According to Sputnik, on August 21, "the Israeli Air Force resumed airstrikes on
Western Syria, targeting a government army base at Khan Al-Sheih in Damascus province and another
in the al-Quneitra province after a six-hour halt in attacks that followed their multiple air
raids over the Golan Heights."
It was struck. An SA-9 from the Iftiraas Air Defense Base and an SA-2 near the Khalkhaala AB
were fired. But, the technical wizardry was most on display when an S-300 (SA-10 "Grumble) super-air-defense
missile was fired from the Republican Guard base near the Mazza AB at the foot of Qaasiyoon Mountain
west of Damascus. This was done so that the F-16's electronic countermeasures would first fix
on the SA-2 and SA-9 while the S-300 plowed forward to exterminate the vermin inside the Israeli
aircraft. The S-300 vaporized the Israeli bomber. No evidence was seen of the pilot ejecting.
Instead, eyewitness accounts described a ball of fire over the Golan and the remains scattering
into the air over the Huleh Valley in Palestine.
Also, the Israelis lost 2 helicopters while flying missions over the Golan Heights in an effort
to bolster the sagging morale of the Takfiri rats of Nusra/Alqaeda and Al-Ittihaad Al-Islaami
li-Ajnaad Al-Shaam. The 2 helicopters went down over the area near Qunaytra City and were reportedly
shot down by shoulder fired, heat-seeking missiles deployed throughout the Syrian Army.
"... russia sees this bs crap about 'moderate' for what it is... just another shell game to play hide and seek, switch flags, etc, etc... until the 'moderate' opposition drop their military arms, it ain't 'moderate'... would 'moderate' opposition to the usa leadership be allowed to use weapons? that's the answer to that bs... ..."
OT GENEVA - The United States and Russia say they have resolved a number of issues standing in the
way of restoring a nationwide truce to Syria and opening up aid deliveries, but were unable once
again to forge a comprehensive agreement on stepping up cooperation to end the brutal war that
has killed hundreds of thousands.
After meeting off-and-on for nearly 10 hours in Geneva on Friday, U.S. Secretary of State John
Kerry and Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov could point to only incremental progress in filling
in details of a broad understanding to boost joint efforts that was reached last month in Moscow.
Their failure to reach an overall deal highlighted the increasingly complex situation on the
ground in Syria - including new Russian-backed Syrian government attacks on opposition forces,
the intermingling of some of those opposition forces with an al-Qaida affiliate not covered by
the truce and the surrender of a rebel-held suburb of Damascus - as well as deep divisions and
mistrust dividing Washington and Moscow.
The complexities have also grown with the increasing internationalization of what has largely
become a proxy war between regional and world powers, highlighted by a move by Turkish troops
across the Syrian border against Islamic State fighters this week.
Kerry said he and Lavrov had agreed on the "vast majority" of technical discussions on steps
to reinstate a cease-fire and improve humanitarian access. But critical sticking points remain
unresolved and experts will remain in Geneva with an eye toward finalizing those in the coming
days, he said. ``` Lavrov echoed that, saying "we still need to finalize a few issues" and pointed to the need to
separate fighters from the al-Nusra Front, which has ties to al-Qaida, from U.S.-backed fighters
who hold parts of northwest Syria.
"We have continued our efforts to reduce the areas where we lack understanding and trust, which
is an achievement," Lavrov said. "The mutual trust is growing with every meeting."
Yet, it was clear that neither side believes an overall agreement is imminent or even achievable
after numerous previous disappointments shattered a brief period of relative calm earlier this
year.
The inability to wrest an agreement between Russia and the U.S. - as the major sponsors of
the opposing sides in the stalled Syria peace talks - all but spells another missed deadline for
the U.N. Syria envoy to get the Syrian government and "moderate" opposition back to the table.
``` In a nod to previous failed attempts to resurrect the cessation of hostilities, Kerry stressed
the importance of keeping the details secret. ``` And, underscoring deep differences over developments on the ground, Kerry noted that Russia disputes
the U.S. "narrative" of recent attacks on heavily populated areas being conducted by Syrian forces,
Russia itself and the Iranian-backed Hezbollah militia. Russia maintains the attacks it has been
involved in have targeted legitimate terrorist targets, while the U.S. says they have hit moderate
opposition forces. ~~~ At the same time, the Obama administration is not of one mind regarding the Russians. The Pentagon
has publicly complained about getting drawn into greater cooperation with Russia even though it
has been forced recently to expand communication with Moscow. Last week, the U.S. had to call
for Russian help when Syrian warplanes struck an area not far from where U.S. troops were operating.
U.S. officials say it is imperative that Russia use its influence with Syrian President Bashar
Assad to halt all attacks on moderate opposition forces, open humanitarian aid corridors, and
concentrate any offensive action on the Islamic State group and other extremists not covered by
what has become a largely ignored truce.
For their part, U.S. officials say they are willing to press rebels groups they support harder
on separating themselves from the Islamic State and al-Nusra, which despite a recent name change
is still viewed as al-Qaida's affiliate in Syria.
Those goals are not new, but recent developments have made achieving them even more urgent
and important, according to U.S. officials. Recent developments include military operations around
the city of Aleppo, the entry of Turkey into the ground war, Turkish hostility toward U.S.-backed
Kurdish rebel groups and the presence of American military advisers in widening conflict zones.
Meanwhile, in a blow to the opposition, rebel forces and civilians in the besieged Damascus
suburb of Daraya were to be evacuated on Friday after agreeing to surrender the town late Thursday
after four years of grueling bombardment and a crippling siege that left the sprawling area in
ruins.
The surrender of Daraya, which became an early symbol of the nascent uprising against Assad,
marks a success for his government, removing a persistent threat only a few miles from his seat
of power.
Posted by: okie farmer | Aug 27, 2016 8:23:27 AM | 80
Re: Geneva negotiations...
Love the goto clause:
"In a nod to previous failed attempts to resurrect the cessation of hostilities, Kerry stressed
the importance of keeping the details secret."
Yeah, keeping the details secret so that next time the Yankees backstab Russia, observers won't
immediately realise that they were, in fact, just shooting themselves in the foot. Again.
russia sees this bs crap about 'moderate' for what it is... just another shell game to play
hide and seek, switch flags, etc, etc... until the 'moderate' opposition drop their military arms,
it ain't 'moderate'... would 'moderate' opposition to the usa leadership be allowed to use weapons?
that's the answer to that bs...
as for turkey, clearly the apk has a 'get rid of the kurds' agenda.. works well in their alliance
with isis up to a point.. as for turkish/usa alliance and a no fly zone - if russia goes along
with this, they better get a hell of a trade off out of it.. i can't see it, although i see the
usa continuing on in their support of saudi arabia etc, using their mercenary isis army and saudi
arabia to continue to funnel arms sales and weaponry... it is what they do best, bullshite artists
that they are...
"... The USA has no business at all in Syria, was not invited in, and if it is allowed to get its way in this it will progressively control more and more Syrian territory until it succeeds in its objective of unseating and replacing Assad. Once more, it has no right to be there, and I'm sure Russia will pursue that angle at the seat of international law. ..."
"... The USA also has no right to impose no-fly zones arbitrarily on its own recognition in another sovereign nation. That's a UN decision, and they will never get that through the Security Council. If they try the R2P approach, who are they exercising their right to protect? ISIL? ..."
"... The problem is that once the US sets a military foothold in Syria there is nothing – outside of using military power – that Russia can do to oust the US from Syria. The international law does not apply to the US because it can break the international law without sanctions being used against it. If there is no punishment there is no incentive for adhering the law either. ..."
"... American Special Forces have already been caught wearing parts of Kurdish uniforms and badges ..."
"... On second reading, it's beginning to sound more like American bluster to me. The press tried to pin him down to no-fly zones or not, and he didn't want to back down but he didn't want to go quite that far so he said "Call it what you want". The USA has no authority to unilaterally impose no-fly zones in a sovereign country. It has to go through the UN, and Russia and China will veto it. The USA is not in Syria with the Syrian government's permission, and it has had what must be called very questionable success so far with 'fighting ISIS'. If it wants to 'protect its forces', it can leave, and the Syrian government will not miss it a bit. ..."
This is all about securing that pipeline route that the West hopes that it can some day build
from Qatar through Syria to Turkey. The US now claims that part of Syrian territory is their own
and it will be used to build that pipeline.
There is one accurate statement in there. The last one in the article. It's endgame time.
The USA has no business at all in Syria, was not invited in, and if it is allowed to get
its way in this it will progressively control more and more Syrian territory until it succeeds
in its objective of unseating and replacing Assad. Once more, it has no right to be there, and
I'm sure Russia will pursue that angle at the seat of international law.
But at the same time, Russia is legally in Syria, and I am sure it is not going to allow the
USA to tell it where it can and cannot fly in Syria. If the USA is really ready to go to war in
Syria, it is going to get it. And I don't think I have to point out to you the kind of logistic
nightmare it would be, especially if it can no longer count on Turkey. And I find it hard to believe
Erdogan will come on board with the USA carving out a Kurdish homeland right next door. Washington
is getting desperate, and that's making it act crazy. Let's see what China says about it.
The USA also has no right to impose no-fly zones arbitrarily on its own recognition in
another sovereign nation. That's a UN decision, and they will never get that through the Security
Council. If they try the R2P approach, who are they exercising their right to protect? ISIL?
What's the USA got in Syria for anti-air systems? Russia has the S-400, and can cover most
of Syria without even putting one of its own planes in the air.
The problem is that once the US sets a military foothold in Syria there is nothing – outside
of using military power – that Russia can do to oust the US from Syria. The international law
does not apply to the US because it can break the international law without sanctions being used
against it. If there is no punishment there is no incentive for adhering the law either.
Well, I guess we'll just have to see how it shakes out, won't we? I can tell you that if Syrian
forces come knocking to drive out ISIS from other towns after Aleppo falls, and the USAF says
it is going to stop them because its forces are mixed with ISIS in the town (remember, American
Special Forces have already been caught wearing parts of Kurdish uniforms and badges) it
is going to cut no ice with the Syrians – it's their country.
On second reading, it's beginning to sound more like American bluster to me. The press
tried to pin him down to no-fly zones or not, and he didn't want to back down but he didn't want
to go quite that far so he said "Call it what you want". The USA has no authority to unilaterally
impose no-fly zones in a sovereign country. It has to go through the UN, and Russia and China
will veto it. The USA is not in Syria with the Syrian government's permission, and it has had
what must be called very questionable success so far with 'fighting ISIS'. If it wants to 'protect
its forces', it can leave, and the Syrian government will not miss it a bit.
"... This suggests a civil war between factions that are fighting on a roughly level playing field with civilians caught in the middle, sometimes deliberately killed and sometimes dying because of indiscriminate fire. American politicians including Clinton sometimes talk as though Assad's forces are doing all the killing. It also seems odd that we are told the rebels need outside help so they can stand to Assad. Obviously they have had plenty of outside help– the death toll is what it is because the war keeps dragging on, but to hear Americans talk you'd think it was outgunned rebels along with civilians being massacred year after year, yet it seems 50,000 regular Syrian military along with tens of thousands of pro regime militia have been killed by the poorly armed rebels. ..."
I already answered your question RNB– the mainstream press, HRW, Amnesty, and various blogs. But
if you look at the numbers released, they don't quite fit the narrative. For example
Note a couple of things from the Syrian Observatory figures. First, civilians are about a third
of the total. The number of Syrian military dead plus associated militia is comparable to the
number of civilian dead ( not counting the estimated group) and the rebel dead, adding up the
different categories including outside forces, are smaller than the dead on Theproud government
side.
This suggests a civil war between factions that are fighting on a roughly level playing field
with civilians caught in the middle, sometimes deliberately killed and sometimes dying because
of indiscriminate fire. American politicians including Clinton sometimes talk as though Assad's
forces are doing all the killing. It also seems odd that we are told the rebels need outside help
so they can stand to Assad. Obviously they have had plenty of outside help– the death toll is
what it is because the war keeps dragging on, but to hear Americans talk you'd think it was outgunned
rebels along with civilians being massacred year after year, yet it seems 50,000 regular Syrian
military along with tens of thousands of pro regime militia have been killed by the poorly armed
rebels.
In the much smaller scale Gaza War the bulk of the deaths were Palestinian civilians– maybe
1500. Hundreds of Hamas fighters were killed and dozens of Israeli soldiers. That's more the kind
of ratio I would expect if the Syrian civil war fit into the framework given by American politicians
and pundits.
"... The CIA agents running the Deraa operation from their office in Jordan had already provided the weapons and cash needed to fuel the flames of revolution in Syria. With enough money and weapons, you can start a revolution anywhere in the world. ..."
"... In reality, the uprising in Deraa in March 2011 was not fueled by graffiti written by teenagers, and there were no disgruntled parents demanding their children to be freed. This was part of the Hollywood style script written by skilled CIA agents, who had been given a mission: to destroy Syria for the purpose of regime change. Deraa was only Act 1: Scene 1. ..."
"... The Libyans stockpiled weapons at the Omari Mosque well before any rumor spread about teenagers arrested for graffiti. The cleric, visually impaired and elderly, was unaware of the situation inside his Mosque, or of the foreign infiltrators in his midst. ..."
"... The weapons came into Deraa from the CIA office in Jordan. The US government has close ties to the King of Jordan. Jordan is 98% Palestinian, and yet has a long lasting peace treaty with Israel, despite the fact that 5 million of the Jordanian citizen's relatives next door in Occupied Palestine are denied any form of human rights. ..."
"... However, the US strategy was to create a "New Middle East", which would do away with safety in Syria; through the ensuing tornado, aka 'winds of change'. ..."
"... Tunisia, Libya, Egypt and then Syria were the stepping stones in the garden of the "Arab Spring". But, the scenario in the Syrian mission did not stay on script. It went over deadline and over budget. The final credits have yet to be rolled, and the curtain has yet to fall on the stage. ..."
"... Syrians were wondering how Western writers could take the side of the terrorists who were foreigners, following Radical Islam and attacking any unarmed civilian who tried to defend their home and family. The media was portraying the terrorists as freedom fighters and heroes of democracy, while they were raping, looting, maiming, kidnapping for ransom and murdering unarmed civilians who had not read the script before the shooting began in Deraa. ..."
"... Deraa was the opening act of tragic epic which has yet to conclude. The cleric who was a key character in the beginning scenes, Sheikh Sayasneh, was first put under house arrest, and then he was smuggled out to Amman, Jordan in January 2012. He now gives lectures in America near Washington, DC. Just like aspiring actors usually find their way to Hollywood, which is the Mecca of the film industry, Sheikh Sayasneh found his way to the Mecca of all regime change projects. ..."
The day before September 11, 2001 was like any normal day in New York City. September 10, 2001
was unaware of the earthshaking events which would happen the next day.
Similarly, one might think the day before the violence broke out in Deraa, Syria in March 2011
would have been an uneventful day, unaware of the uprising about to begin.
But, that was not the case. Deraa was teaming with activity and foreign visitors to Syria
well before the staged uprising began its opening act.
The Omari Mosque was the scene of backstage preparations, costume changes and rehearsals. The
Libyan terrorists, fresh from the battlefield of the US-NATO regime change attack on Libya, were
in Deraa well ahead of the March 2011 uprising violence. The cleric of the Omari Mosque was Sheikh
Ahmad al Sayasneh . He was an older man with a severe eye problem, which caused him to wear special
dark glasses, and severely hampered his vision. He was not only visually impaired, but light sensitive
as well, which caused him to be indoors as much as possible and often isolated. He was accustomed
to judging the people he talked with by their accent and voice. The Deraa accent is distinctive.
All of the men attending the Omari Mosque were local men, all with the common Deraa accent. However,
the visitors from Libya did not make themselves known to the cleric, as that would blow their cover.
Instead, they worked with local men; a few key players who they worked to make their partners and
confidants. The participation of local Muslim Brotherhood followers, who would assist the foreign
Libyan mercenaries/terrorists, was an essential part of the CIA plan, which was well scripted and
directed from Jordan.
Enlisting the aid and cooperation of local followers of Salafism allowed the Libyans to move in
Deraa without attracting any suspicion. The local men were the 'front' for the operation.
The CIA agents running the Deraa operation from their office in Jordan had already provided
the weapons and cash needed to fuel the flames of revolution in Syria. With enough money
and weapons, you can start a revolution anywhere in the world.
In reality, the uprising in Deraa in March 2011 was not fueled by graffiti written by
teenagers, and there were no disgruntled parents demanding their children to be freed. This
was part of the Hollywood style script written by skilled CIA agents, who had been given a mission:
to destroy Syria for the purpose of regime change. Deraa was only Act 1: Scene 1.
The fact that those so-called teenaged graffiti artists and their parents have never been found,
never named, and never pictured is the first clue that their identity is cloaked in darkness.
In any uprising there needs to be grassroots support. Usually, there is a situation
which arises, and protesters take to the streets. The security teams step in to keep the peace and
clear the streets and if there is a 'brutal crackdown' the otherwise 'peaceful protesters' will react
with indignation, and feeling oppressed and wronged, the numbers in the streets will swell.
This is the point where the street protests can take two directions: the protesters
will back down and go home, or the protesters can react with violence, which then will be met with
violence from the security teams, and this sets the stage for a full blown uprising.
The staged uprising in Deraa had some locals in the street who were unaware of their participation
in a CIA-Hollywood production. They were the unpaid extras in the scene about to be shot.
These unaware extras had grievances, perhaps lasting a generation or more, and perhaps rooted in
Wahhabism, which is a political ideology exported globally by the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and the
Royal family and their paid officials.
The Libyans stockpiled weapons at the Omari Mosque well before any rumor spread about
teenagers arrested for graffiti. The cleric, visually impaired and elderly, was unaware
of the situation inside his Mosque, or of the foreign infiltrators in his midst.
The weapons came into Deraa from the CIA office in Jordan. The US government
has close ties to the King of Jordan. Jordan is 98% Palestinian, and yet has a long lasting peace
treaty with Israel, despite the fact that 5 million of the Jordanian citizen's relatives next door
in Occupied Palestine are denied any form of human rights. The King of Jordan has to do a daily high-wire
balancing act between his citizens, the peace and safety in his country and America's interests and
projects in the Middle East. King Abdullah is not only a tight-rope walker, but a juggler at the
same time, and all of this pressure on him must be enormous for him, and Queen Rania, who is herself
Palestinian. These facts must be viewed in the forefront of the background painted scenery of The
Syrian Arab Republic, which has for the last 40 years had a cornerstone of domestic and foreign policy
carved and set in the principle of Palestinian human rights and Palestinian freedom and justice.
The US policy to attack Syria for the purpose of regime change was not just about the
gas lines, the oil wells, the strategic location and the gold: but it was about crushing that cornerstone
of Palestinian rights into dust. To get rid of President Bashar al Assad was to get rid of one of
the few Arab leaders who are an unwavering voice of Palestinian rights.
Deraa's location directly on the Jordanian border is the sole reason it was picked for the location-shoot
of the opening act of the Syrian uprising. If you were to ask most Syrians, if they had ever been
to Derra, or ever plan to go, they will answer, "No." It is a small and insignificant agricultural
town. It is a very unlikely place to begin a nationwide revolution. Deraa has a historical importance
because of archeological ruins, but that is lost on anyone other than history professors or archeologists.
The access to the weapons from Jordan made Deraa the perfect place to stage the uprising which has
turned into an international war. Any person with common sense would assume an uprising or revolution
in Syria would begin in Damascus or Aleppo, the two biggest cities. Even after 2 ½ years
of violence around the country, Aleppo's population never participated in the uprising, or call for
regime change.
Aleppo: the large industrial powerhouse of Syria wanted nothing to do with the CIA mission, and
felt that by staying clear of any participation they could be spared and eventually the violence
would die out, a natural death due to lack of participation of the civilians. However, this was not
to play out for Aleppo. Instead, the US supported Free Syrian Army, who were mainly from Idlib and
the surrounding areas, invited in their foreign partners, and they came pouring into Aleppo from
Turkey, where they had taken Turkish Airlines flights from Afghanistan, Europe, Australia and North
Africa landing in Istanbul, and then transported by buses owned by the Turkish government to the
Turkey-Aleppo border. The airline tickets, buses, paychecks, supplies, food, and medical
needs were all supplied in Turkey by an official from Saudi Arabia. The weapons were all
supplied by the United States of America, from their warehouse at the dock of Benghazi, Libya. The
US-NATO regime change mission had ended in success in Libya, with America having taken possession
of all the weapons and stockpiles formerly the property of the Libyan government, including tons
of gold bullion taken by the US government from the Central Bank of Libya.
Enter the Libyans stage right. Mehdi al Harati, the Libyan with an Irish passport, was put in
charge of a Brigade of terrorists working under the pay and direction of the CIA in Libya. Once his
fighting subsided there, he was moved to Northern Syria, in the Idlib area, which was the base of
operation for the American backed Free Syrian Army, who Republican Senator John McCain lobbied for
in the US Congress, and personally visited, illegally entering Syria without any passport or border
controls. In Arizona, Sen. McCain is in favor of deporting any illegal alien entering USA,
but he himself broke international law by entering Syria as an illegal and undocumented alien.
However, he was in the company of trusted friends and associates, the Free Syrian Army:
the same men who beheaded Christians and Muslims, raped females and children of both sexes, sold
girls as sex slaves in Turkey, and ate the raw liver of a man, which they proudly videoed and uploaded.
Previously, Syria did not have any Al Qaeda terrorists, and had passed through the war in neighboring
Iraq none the worse for wear, except having accepted 2 million Iraqis as refugee guests. Shortly
before the Deraa staged uprising began, Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie were in Damascus and being driven
around by the President and First Lady. Pitt and Jolie had come to visit and support the Iraqi war
refugees in Damascus. Brad Pitt was amazed that the Syrian President would drive him around personally,
and without any body guards or security detail. Pitt and Jolie were used to their own heavy security
team in USA. Pres. Assad explained that he and his wife were comfortable in Damascus, knowing that
it was a safe place. Indeed, the association of French travel agents had deemed Syria as the safest
tourist destination in the entire Mediterranean region, meaning even safer than France itself.
However, the US strategy was to create a "New Middle East", which would do away with safety
in Syria; through the ensuing tornado, aka 'winds of change'.
Tunisia, Libya, Egypt and then Syria were the stepping stones in the garden of the "Arab
Spring". But, the scenario in the Syrian mission did not stay on script. It went over deadline
and over budget. The final credits have yet to be rolled, and the curtain has yet to fall on the
stage.
We can't under estimate the role that mainstream media had to play in the destruction
of Syria. For example, Al Jazeera's Rula Amin was in Deraa and personally interviewed the
cleric Sayasneh at the Omari Mosque. Al Jazeera is the state owned and operated media for the Prince
of Qatar. The Prince of Qatar was one of the key funders of the terrorists attacking Syria. The USA
was sending the weapons, supplies and providing military satellite imagery, however the cash to make
payroll, to pay out bribes in Turkey, and all other expenses which needed cold cash in hand was being
paid out by the Prince of Qatar and the King of Saudi Arabia, who were playing their roles as closest
Middle East allies of the United States of America. This was a production team between USA, EU, NATO,
Turkey, Jordan, Israel and the Persian Gulf Arab monarchies of Saudi Arabia and Qatar primarily.
The CIA has no problem with covert operations in foreign countries, and even full scale attacks,
but the matter of funding needs to come from a foreign country, because the American voters don't
care about killing people in Syria, but they would never agree to pay for it. As long as
the Arabs were paying for the project, that was OK by Mr. John Q. Public, who probably was not able
to find Syria on a map anyway.
Rula Amin and others of the Al Jazeera staff, and including the American CNN, the British BBC
and the French France24 all began deliberate political propaganda campaign against the Syrian government
and the Syrian people who were suffering from the death and destruction brought on by the terrorists
who were pretending to be players in a local uprising. Some days, the scripts were so similar that
you would have guessed they were all written in the same hotel room in Beirut. Onto the stage stepped
the online media personalities of Robert Fisk, from his vantage point in Beirut and Joshua Landis
from his perch in Oklahoma. These 2 men, sitting so far removed from the actual events, pretended
to know everything going on in Syria. British and American readers were swayed by their deliberate
one-sided explanations, while the actual Syrians living inside Syria, who read in English online,
were baffled.
Syrians were wondering how Western writers could take the side of the terrorists
who were foreigners, following Radical Islam and attacking any unarmed civilian who tried to defend
their home and family. The media was portraying the terrorists as freedom fighters and heroes of
democracy, while they were raping, looting, maiming, kidnapping for ransom and murdering unarmed
civilians who had not read the script before the shooting began in Deraa.
There was one
global movie trailer, and it was a low budget cell phone video which went viral around the world,
and it sold the viewers on the idea of Syria being in the beginning of a dramatic fight for freedom,
justice and the American way. From the very beginning, Al Jazeera and all the rest of the media were
paying $100.00 to any amateur video shot in Syria. A whole new cottage industry sprang up in Syria,
with directors and actors all hungry for the spotlight and fame. Authenticity was not questioned;
the media just wanted content which supported their propaganda campaign in Syria.
Deraa was the opening act of tragic epic which has yet to conclude. The cleric
who was a key character in the beginning scenes, Sheikh Sayasneh, was first put under house arrest,
and then he was smuggled out to Amman, Jordan in January 2012. He now gives lectures in America near
Washington, DC. Just like aspiring actors usually find their way to Hollywood, which is the
Mecca of the film industry, Sheikh Sayasneh found his way to the Mecca of all regime change projects.
PERIES: Ok. And, John, give us a sense of what Russia's interests are in this meeting. I mean, although
it was downplayed, they did have the meeting with Erdogan, and they were the first to acknowledge
and provide some support to Erdogan after the coup. We know that–
HELMER: –No support. No, no, that's not quite right. Russian policy is for stability on its borders,
its neighbors. Russia does not consider its national interests, its security interests, its border
stability, to be advanced if there are coups and revolutions in countries around the neighborhood,
whether that's Ukraine, the US did sponsor a coup in Kiev in February 2014, whether it's in Iran,
whether it's in North Korea, whether it's in China, or whether it's in Turkey. So the Russian position
was, stability in the neighborhood. The Russian position was Mr. Erdogan is the elected, constitutional
leader of that country, and what was happening was an attempt to kill him, overthrow him, so Russia's
position was stability in the neighborhood. That was the Russian position. It was stated rather quicker
than Mr. Kerry was capable of stating it when he was trying to put some money on whoever was the
winner and wasn't sure who would be the winner.
But the Russian position is really simple. It's good neighbor policy if you like, but let me try
and make it quick and short for you. First, Turkey should stop supporting and fueling and providing
safe haven and supplies for groups that threaten Russia to the North, threaten Syria to the south.
Threaten Iraq to the east. That means and end to support for ISIS, an end to support for the Chechen
Rebellion in the Russian Caucasus. It means an end to support for Crimean Tatar opposition to Russia.
It means an end Turkish support for the war against Armenia. That's number one. Number two, Russia
has always for the last several hundred years, as long as there are ships, and as long as there's
the sea, Russia wants free passage through the so-called Turkish straits, between the Black Sea,
the Aegean Sea, and the Mediterranean. The Turks claim that it's a territorial war, they often claim
that they lost several wars over this. Russia wants to see no expansion of NATO or enemy operations,
naval operations, in the Black Sea, facilitated through the Bosphorus, through the Dardanelles, through
the Turkish straits, at the behest and at the permission and the encouragement of the Turkish government.
Those are security issues, right? No response from Erdogan. In fact, he said at the press conference,
we didn't even talk about Syria, we'll talk about that a bit later in the afternoon. But as for that
meeting, there is no record that anything was said, because as I said before the Russian Foreign
Ministry has yet to acknowledge there was such a meeting. More important, on the [crosstalk] morning
on the day Erdogan– HELMER: Well, let me go back a minute. On the morning of Erdogan's arrival in
Saint Petersburg, there is a 30 minute interview that he gave to Russian state television, to the
Tass News Agency, which he made a number of statements which he didn't repeat in his press conference.
He called again for the overthrow of Bashar al-Assad. He again explicitly referred to support for
the Crimean Tatars and their opposition to Crimea's accession, to the Russian Federation.
Those are two very big no-no's, negatives. Aggressive remarks to make on the eve of your arrival
in Russia, so that there was nothing left to discuss when he got there. Instead there's a lot of
talk about talking.
A lot of talk about talking about the future economic relations between the two countries. The
revival of the two gas pipeline projects, the Turkish Stream and South Stream for Gazprom. The revival
of the nuclear reactor project, which is Russia's building at Akkuyu. Talk about reviving investment,
talk about improving visa conditions for Turkish workers in Russia.
On none of those things, none of those things was any agreement announced. All the sides did,
all the presidents said at their press conference was that they agreed to continue talking. And for
all Mr. Erdogan's dear friend Putin remark he kept making roughly, I timed him, every three to four
minutes of the time he's in front of the camera, nobody believes it. And he didn't offer anything
on which the Russian side could say we've reached a new stage.
He did, yes he apologized for the shoot down of the SU24, but he did not offer Turkish compensation
for the murdered pilot, Captain Peshkov. It was very clear Russian policy that Turkey should pay
compensation, just as it's been Turkish policy that Israel should pay compensation for the killing
of Turkish citizens in the famous vessel incident off the Gaza coast several years ago. Turkey insisted
on compensation from Israel. It took years, it's been achieved. Yet Turkey offers no compensation
when Russia has insisted, on little issues, on big issues, Erdogan offered nothing.
PERIES: And John, what now? In terms of moving forward with these two countries who are very pivotal
and very strategically located in terms of the Syrian conflict.
HELMER: Well, I wouldn't say that the direction is forward. From a Greek point of view, there
is increasing chaos. From a Greek and Cyprian point of view, there is increasing chaos in Turkey,
and around Turkey. And from one point of view, that's a small positive because it makes the Turkish
army less capable of expanding aggressively east, south, or west.
There is not improvement on Turkey's readiness to reach a solution for the withdrawal of troops
from Northern Cyprus, illegally there since the invasion of '74. There is no sign that Turkey will
relent in its support for the overthrow of Syria. There is no sign that Turkey will do anything to
remove the Chechen threat to Russia inside Turkey, so we're going to move sideways.
We're going to move, we will simply watch and see if Mr. Erdogan himself can survive. But the
way he describes his survival is that he's the democratic leader of Turkey, well that's true.
He produces these street displays of public support, and at the same time he distrusts his own
military forces so much that he not only purges the general, generals staff, he couldn't bring a
military officer in his delegation to Moscow yesterday. Not one military officer does Mr. Erdogan
trust enough to bring to the party in Moscow. Sorry, in St. Petersburg. The chief of the Russian
General Staff was there but no Turkish counterpart officer. Steve H. ,
August 14, 2016 at 10:27 am
Instability seems to be the best description. Erdogan has so many horses attached to his cart
it's hard to see what he wants. Beyond the billions stashed in the walls of his estates; I think
it was Russia that released the phone calls with his son talking about moving the cash.
We know he wants the cash, but is he an Islamic sultan first, or is his main horse the Turkic
language group, which pushes into the X-istans to the east? Or is he a Euro, or a Russian lackey?
Easier to see the view from Russia. No Islamic fundamentalism is a foundation stone. The Kurds
have been better friends to Russia on this, and Russia
reinforces success . That's close to a deal-killer for Erdogan. But he has to deal with the
strategic fact that Russia can control the Black Sea by closing the Bosphorus unilaterally. Assad
has managed to keep the same deal with Russia as the Kurds, so far. Erdogan has a lot of enemies
to keep close. Does he have any friends?
Funny, it's all speculation but I had the opposite thought.
Erdogan, allegedly in a position of weakness, runs to Mother Russia for help in his time of
need. But as Helmer notes, he brought bupkis to the table: no concessions on Syria, on Chechen
seperatist groups, on trade, or even bones of lesser contention like Nato troops in Cyprus or
fruit trade. The most obvious conclusion should be that his "failed" trip to Moscow was more signalling
than a desperate appeal for help. And at whom is Erdogan's signalling aimed? Well Helmer again
tells us: the only ones who think it was a salient rapprochment are the Western Press: yes the
same Western Press that are currently hyperventillating that the Russians Are Coming! To wit,
if you are Erdogan and you thought Victoria Nuland was going to be the next US Secretary of State,
what would be the best way to get the stuff you wanted? Especially when it comes to Cyprus, arms
to kill kurds, the overthrow of Assad, leverage with the EU, escalation vs. Iran….
And on top of this, Erdogan has priors: he used the European press paranoia about immigrants
to blackmail Merkl. He shot down a Russian fighter jet to ingratiate himself to Nato. And he's
actively re-courting Israel. None of this indicates a realignment toward Russia– in fact his lack
of concessions indicates the opposite.
Like I said, at this point we can only speculate, and I personally lean more to the possibility
that Erdogan saw the possibility of the coup happening and realised it could be to his advantage.
But if you look at his position before the coup: weak domestically, not fully accepted by the
West… and compare that to what he gets from the coup: elimination of enemies in a purge and the
ability to use the threat of a Putin-alignment to blackmail the US, I don't see how the self-coup
theory has been knocked on the head.
I think your theory is as likely as any. Its very hard to see what Erdogan is doing. I suspects
its a situation where he has been too clever by half and has wrapped himself up in knots in his
various schemes. But its also possible he is actively trying to create as much ambiguity and uncertainty
as possible in order to extract as much as possible from his 'allies'.
Seems Erdogan is playing hard ball negotiations. Hopes Russia needs him more than Turkey needs
Russia. And certainly he is doing the same with the EU. Undoubtedly he is playing both sides against
each other for the best deal he can get. Wonder if he is competent enough to play those sort of
games with someone like Putin.
Although an alternative possibility is that Erdogan is completely out of his depth and burning
bridges with everyone by making irrational demands on the EU, the US and Russia.
Putin seems to be the most rational statesman in all this.
One of the best things about Trump, I think, is that he realizes this and wants to work with
him rather than demonize him in support of imperialistic type goals.
If Erdogan can pretend to change his Syria policy while not doing so, he can also pretend to
not change this policy while doing so. When is he deceitful and when is he honest? We may need
more time for Turkey's new policies to become apparent. Does anyone know what policy Gulen or
the coup plotters wants toward Syria?
Does anyone know what policy Gulen or the coup plotters wants toward Syria?
Seems to be about as confused as Erdogan's.
This article on his website from 2011 is supportive of regime change, but this article from
2014 suggests that Gülenists within the media and the miltary/police/security organizations are
against intervention in Syria.
Interestingly,
this article from 2014 says almost the exact same things as we're seeing today about a Turkish
rapprochement with Russia and Iran.
Erodgan wants to be the caliph of the new Ottoman Empire, with the support of the Salafis in
Turkey, ISIS (or whatever) and Saudi Arabia.
As a supplier to ISIS for these reasons, he has no common ground with Russia, who wants an
end to Muslim Unrest, because it fuels problems for the Russian like Chechnya, and the other Muslim
states along the silk road.
Russia wants to ensure the Black Sea is no blockaded, because Sevastopol is their warm water
port, and has been both very important and controlled by Russia for over 400 years.
Erdogan, one expects,is hoping for "approval" from the United States to invade Syria to "keep
the peace," which would be a great step towards a unified Salafi empire.
The Middle East was, is, and will be the cockpit of the world for the foreseeable future.
Before considering events in the Middle East:
1. Know you history
2. Know your geography – look at the maps of borders for the last 1,000 years
3. Analyze ambitions in,and for, the Middle East
This opens the door for others, about a month ago the Russians, Iran's, Syrians meet in Russia.
They need to put aside their differences because Hillary coming back onto the world stage with
every bat-shit-crazy neo-conn at her command. Turkey sees that also. They are all stronger together
and throw in China in the back ground and who knows.
Erdogan awaits the results of America's election. He hopes that Clinton gets elected because
Clinton shares Ergogan's goal of toppling Assad in order to install a Jihadi Cannibal Terrorist
LiverEater government over all of Syria.
If Trump defeats Clinton ( unlikely I know), and if Trump then purges hundreds or thousands
of pieces of radioactive Clintonite Filth out of the relevant parts of the Administrative Branch
of Government ( even unlikelier) such that he can forcibly and semi-violently impose a "peace
with Russia" policy upon an unwilling DC FedRegime Government; then Erdogan may eventually give
up on getting Trump's support to topple Assad and install a Jihadi Terrorist government. What
would Ergogan do then? Where would he turn?
I think that some of the other commentators here are overly disparaging of Erdogan.
Erdogan is a skilful and gutsy politician, with a large body of support in his country.
I mean, for God's sake, we just saw that man totally punk the old-line Kemalists in
Turkish officer corps!
Late last year, despite the Syrian imbroglio and mounting tension with the Kurds, Erdogan won
a convincing electoral victory. His party formed an outright parliamentary majority.
When Erdogan meets Putin, that is a meeting of peers.
I'll repeat the prediction I have already made a couple of times on this site: Erdogan is stringing
Putin along until after the US election.
By the time Clinton is inaugurated in 2017, Erdogan will have finished purging the suspect
elements in the Turkish officer corps. Turkey will then be ready to play an important role in
the US-led escalation of the conflict against Syria and Russia.
But for the next 5-6 months, Erdogan wants to keep relations with Russia from going foul. That
way the Russians might not want to make a more intense effort to help the Syrians recapture all
of Aleppo.
It's a tough situation for Putin. If Russia steps up the offensive at Aleppo, it would be easy
for Erdogan and Clinton to use that as a pretext for their own escalation. If Putin waits for
2017, Erdogan and Clinton are likely to escalate anyhow–they'll make whatever pretext they need.æ
A reasonable argument, but if Putin knows anything, it's that he can't trust Erdogan, no matter
what the truth vis a vis US involvement in the coup or who may have tipped off or otherwise saved
Erdogan's regime. Erdogan was an utter fool to become involved in Syria, and like the Saudis and
Saddam before him, allow his ego to be captured by dreams of wider regional power and influence
under US auspices – in exchange, as always, for going to war against a US enemy. Anyone as encumbered
as Erdogan is an ally to be kept close enough to be useful, but not within striking distance.
I think the meeting was likely very serious, and I expect Erdogan and Putin both were looking
for something from the other indicating where there might be wiggle room vis a vis what everyone
expects is coming under Clinton, but which may already be underway – a major influx of new rebels/ISIS
into the fray in Syria amidst escalating calls for direct US intervention as per Libyan version
of a 'no-fly zone'.
Too bad for Turkey. Had they not become involved in this disastrous regime-change operation,
Erdogan could've maintained his balancing act with relative ease. The focus of his Government
would've been the continued development of what has become a large, dynamic economy capable of
playing the role of Bridge from the West to an East that included Russia.
I don't know how many rabbits can be left in Putin's hat. The US really wants its 30 years
of war to transform all the regions attacked back into desert and I really don't expect Putin
to go all the way to the wall to stop them. But he does want the world to know what's happening.
That's a fair assessment. What I wonder is how much Erdogan's Islamic beliefs effect his judgement
and how much his wanting to revive the Ottoman Empire effects it. Seems to me that betraying ISIS
would have been an easy concession for him to make to Russia. Yet he's still determined to get
rid of Assad and anyone who says that supports ISIS because ISIS is the only means of achieving
that result. Does Erdogan continue as an ISIS ally because of: 1) ideologically they are two sides
of the same coin? 2) The Saudis are sending him money he doesn't want to give up? 3) he wants
continued chaos to have the opportunity to take advantage at Syria's or the Kurds expense? 4)
he fears the US more than Russia? After all, America destroys countries, Russia uses diplomacy,
which is less threatening.
Could go on endlessly with all these questions. I suspect the easiest conclusion to reach is
that Erdogan is biding his time until the US election results. After all, you couldn't have a
more starker choice: Clinton and full support for anything anti-Russian or Trump and a healing
of relations, in which case being Russia's would be a good thing. I guess the fly in the ointment
is a NeoCon Presidency producing another neocon disaster, meaning Russia kicks NATO's butt, including
Turkey.
I can't help but note that what Erodgan offers to each party – Russia, the US and Europe –
is negative. Doesn't that make it inevitable he ends up with no friends? For goodness sake, he
only runs Turkey – and a divided Turkey! He's a few centuries too late for that to strike any
existential fear into his adversaries. Overplaying his hand perhaps?
likbez
> I guess the fly in the ointment is a NeoCon Presidency producing another neocon disaster,
meaning Russia kicks NATO's butt, including Turkey.
The next "neocon disaster" is the most probable outcome, but there one a countervailing factor
to "new American militarism" (Bacevich) type of adventurism. The idea that the establishing and
maintaining the global neoliberal empire by direct interventions is worth the price we pay as
it will take the USA into the period of unprecedented peace and prosperity is now discredited.
Prosperity is reserved to top one or ten percent and that factor can't be hidden any longer.
I think the US elite became split and a smaller part of Washington establishment started to
understand that the US neocons overextended the country in permanent wars for permanent peace.
In wars for extension of the global neoliberal empire. Much like Britain became exhausted from
British empire project before.
It well might be that soon the impoverishment of the population and, especially, lack of job
and shirking middle class, become an internal political instability factor that will force some
changes.
With the total surveillance in place the elite has probably pretty decent picture of the mood
of the population. And it is definitely not too encouraging for another reckless neocon experiment.
Also the power of MSM brainwashing started to wear down and neoliberalism as an ideology that
keeps the current Washington elite in power is in crisis.
The USSR crushed approximately in 20 years after the communist ideology became discredited
by the inability to raise the standard of living of the population. The same is happening with
neoliberalism. If we count from 2008, neoliberalism probably still has another 12 years or three
presidential terms. That means that if "this Trump" fails to be elected, the "next Trump" might
be much more dangerous for Washington neocons.
In a way, emergence of Trump is a sign that the elite can't govern the old way and population
does not want to live the old way. Degeneration of the US neoliberal elite is another factor.
Looks at quality of presidential candidates - Hillary and the bunch of narrow minded fanatics
they produced for Republican nomination as well as the level of Washington detachment from reality
- "let them eat cakes" stance , Those factors will only increase internal political tension that
already demonstrated itself in recent riots.
Situation with oil is also dangerous. Artificial suppression of oil prices destroys the US
oil producers. They probably will manage to keep the prices low in 2016. Then what?
This is what "New
American Militarism" the term coined by Bacevich is about. And it reflect dominance of jingoism
among Washington bureaucrats -- war is a source of money and career advancement.
Notable quotes:
"... At the Center of the Storm: My Years at the CIA, ..."
"... he also reveals that Morell "coordinated the CIA review" of Secretary of State Colin Powell's infamous Feb. 5, 2003 speech to the United Nations – a dubious distinction if there ever was one. ..."
"... The Great War of Our Time ..."
"... It is sad to have to remind folks almost 14 years later that the "intelligence" was not "mistaken;" it was fraudulent from the get-go. Announcing on June 5, 2008, the bipartisan conclusions from a five-year study by the Senate Intelligence Committee, Sen. Jay Rockefeller described the intelligence conjured up to "justify" war on Iraq as "uncorroborated, contradicted, or even non-existent." ..."
"... For services rendered, Tenet rescued Morell from the center of the storm, so to speak, sending him to a plum posting in London, leaving the hapless Stu Cohen holding the bag. Cohen had been acting director of the National Intelligence Council and nominal manager of the infamous Oct. 1, 2002 National Intelligence Estimate warning about Iraq's [nonexistent] WMD. ..."
"... The Great War of Our Time ..."
"... When the storm subsided, Morell came back from London to bigger and better things. He was appointed the CIA's first associate deputy director from 2006 to 2008, and then director for intelligence until moving up to become CIA's deputy director (and twice acting director) from 2010 until 2013. ..."
"... Reading his book and watching him respond to those softball pitches from Charlie Rose on Monday, it is hard to avoid the conclusion that glibness, vacuousness and ambition can get you to the very top of US intelligence in the Twenty-first Century – and can also make you a devoted fan of whoever is likely to be the next President. ..."
"... Let the bizarreness of that claim sink in, since it is professionally impossible to recruit an agent who is unwitting of being an agent, since an agent is someone who follows instructions from a control officer. ..."
"... However, since Morell apparently has no evidence that Trump was "recruited," which would make the Republican presidential nominee essentially a traitor, he throws in the caveat "unwitting." Such an ugly charge is on par with Trump's recent hyperbolic claim that President Obama was the "founder" of ISIS. ..."
"... Looking back at Morell's record, it was not hard to see all this coming, as Morell rose higher and higher in a system that rewards deserving sycophants. I addressed this five years ago in an article titled "Rise of Another CIA Yes Man." That piece elicited many interesting comments from senior intelligence officers who knew Morell personally; some of those comments are tucked into the end of the article. ..."
Perhaps former CIA acting director Michael Morell's shamefully provocative rhetoric toward Russia
and Iran will prove too unhinged even for Hillary Clinton. It appears equally likely that it will
succeed in earning him a senior job in a possible Clinton administration, so it behooves us to have
a closer look at Morell's record.
My initial reaction of disbelief and anger was the same as that
of my VIPS colleague, Larry Johnson, and
the points Larry made about Morell's behavior in the Benghazi caper, Iran, Syria, needlessly
baiting nuclear-armed Russia, and how to put a "scare" into Bashar al-Assad give ample support to
Larry's characterization of Morell's comments as "reckless and vapid." What follows is an attempt
to round out the picture on the ambitious 57-year-old Morell.
I suppose we need to start with Morell telling PBS/CBS interviewer Charlie Rose on Aug. 8 that
he (Morell) wanted to "make the Iranians pay a price in Syria. … make the Russians pay a price in
Syria."
Rose: "We make them pay the price by killing Russians?"
Morell: "Yeah."
Rose: "And killing Iranians?"
Morell: "Yes … You don't tell the world about it. … But you make sure they know it in Moscow
and Tehran."
You might ask what excellent adventure earned Morell his latest appearance with Charlie Rose?
It was a highly unusual Aug. 5 New York Times
op-ed titled "I ran the CIA Now I'm Endorsing Hillary Clinton."
Peabody award winner Rose – having made no secret of how much he admires the glib, smooth-talking
Morell – performed true to form. Indeed, he has interviewed him every other month, on average, over
the past two years, while Morell has been a national security analyst for CBS.
This interview,
though, is a must for those interested in gauging the caliber of bureaucrats who have bubbled to
the top of the CIA since the disastrous tenure of George Tenet (sorry, the interview goes on and
on for 46 minutes).
A Heavy Duty
Such interviews are a burden for unreconstructed, fact-based analysts of the old school. In a
word, they are required to watch them, just as they must plow through the turgid prose of "tell-it-all"
memoirs. But due diligence can sometimes harvest an occasional grain of wheat among the chaff.
For example, George W. Bush's memoir, Decision Points, included a passage the former
president seems to have written himself. Was Bush relieved to learn, just 15 months before he left
office, the "high-confidence," unanimous judgment of the U.S. intelligence community that Iran had
stopped working on a nuclear weapon in 2003 and had not resumed work on such weapons? No way!
In his memoir, he complains bitterly that this judgment in that key 2007 National Intelligence
Estimate "tied my hands on the military side. … After the NIE, how could I possibly explain using
the military to destroy the nuclear facilities of a country the intelligence community said had no
active nuclear weapons program?" No, I am not making this up. He wrote that.
In another sometimes inadvertently revealing memoir, At the Center of the Storm: My Years
at the CIA, CIA Director George Tenet described Michael Morell, whom he picked to be CIA's briefer
of President George W. Bush, in these terms: "Wiry, youthful looking, and extremely bright, Mike
speaks in staccato-like bursts that get to the bottom line very quickly. He and George Bush hit it
off almost immediately. Mike was the perfect guy for us to have by the commander-in-chief's side."
Wonder what Morell was telling Bush about those "weapons of mass destruction in Iraq" and the
alleged ties between Saddam Hussein and Al Qaeda. Was Morell winking at Bush the same way Tenet winked
at the head of British intelligence on July 20, 2002, telling him that "the intelligence and facts
were being fixed around the policy" of invading Iraq?
High on Morell
Not surprisingly, Tenet speaks well of his protégé and former executive assistant Morell. But
he also reveals that Morell "coordinated the CIA review" of Secretary of State Colin Powell's
infamous Feb. 5, 2003 speech to the United Nations – a dubious distinction if there ever was one.
So Morell reviewed the "intelligence" that went into Powell's thoroughly deceptive account of
the Iraqi threat! Powell later called that dramatic speech, which wowed Washington's media and foreign
policy elites and was used to browbeat the few remaining dissenters into silence, a "blot" on his
record.
In Morell's own memoir, The Great War of Our Time, Morell apologized to former Secretary
of State Powell for the bogus CIA intelligence that found its way into Powell's address. Morell
told CBS: "I thought it important to do so because … he went out there and made this case, and
we were wrong."
It is sad to have to remind folks almost 14 years later that the "intelligence" was not "mistaken;"
it was fraudulent from the get-go. Announcing on June 5, 2008, the bipartisan conclusions from a
five-year study by the Senate Intelligence Committee, Sen. Jay Rockefeller described the intelligence
conjured up to "justify" war on Iraq as "uncorroborated, contradicted, or even non-existent."
It strains credulity beyond the breaking point to think that Michael Morell was unaware of the
fraudulent nature of the WMD propaganda campaign. Yet, like all too many others, he kept quiet and
got promoted.
Out of Harm's Way
For services rendered, Tenet rescued Morell from the center of the storm, so to speak, sending
him to a plum posting in London, leaving the hapless Stu Cohen holding the bag. Cohen had been acting
director of the National Intelligence Council and nominal manager of the infamous Oct. 1, 2002 National
Intelligence Estimate warning about Iraq's [nonexistent] WMD.
Cohen made a valiant attempt to defend the indefensible in late November 2003, and was still
holding out some hope that WMD would be found. He noted, however, "If we eventually are proved
wrong – that is, that there were no weapons of mass destruction and the WMD programs were dormant
or abandoned – the American people will be told the truth …" And then Stu disappeared into the woodwork.
In October 2003, the 1,200-member "Iraq Survey Group" commissioned by Tenet to find those elusive
WMD in Iraq had already reported that six months of intensive work had turned up no chemical, biological
or nuclear weapons. By then, the U.S.-sponsored search for WMD had already cost $300 million, with
the final bill expected to top $1 billion.
In Morell's The Great War of Our Time, he writes, "In the summer of 2003 I became CIA's
senior focal point for liaison with the analytic community in the United Kingdom." He notes that
one of the "dominant" issues, until he left the U.K. in early 2006, was "Iraq, namely our failure
to find weapons of mass destruction." (It was a PR problem; Prime Minister Tony Blair and Morell's
opposite numbers in British intelligence were fully complicit in the "dodgy-dossier" type of intelligence.)
When the storm subsided, Morell came back from London to bigger and better things. He was
appointed the CIA's first associate deputy director from 2006 to 2008, and then director for intelligence
until moving up to become CIA's deputy director (and twice acting director) from 2010 until 2013.
Reading his book and watching him respond to those softball pitches from Charlie Rose on Monday,
it is hard to avoid the conclusion that glibness, vacuousness and ambition can get you to the very
top of US intelligence in the Twenty-first Century – and can also make you a devoted fan of whoever
is likely to be the next President.
... ... ...
As for Morell's claim that Russian President Vladimir Putin is somehow controlling Donald Trump,
well, even Charlie Rose had stomach problems with that and with Morell's "explanation." In the Times
op-ed, Morell wrote: "In the intelligence business, we would say that Mr. Putin had recruited Mr.
Trump as an unwitting agent of the Russian Federation."
Let the bizarreness of that claim sink in, since it is professionally impossible to recruit
an agent who is unwitting of being an agent, since an agent is someone who follows instructions from
a control officer.
However, since Morell apparently has no evidence that Trump was "recruited," which would make
the Republican presidential nominee essentially a traitor, he throws in the caveat "unwitting." Such
an ugly charge is on par with Trump's recent hyperbolic claim that President Obama was the "founder"
of ISIS.
Looking back at Morell's record, it was not hard to see all this coming, as Morell rose higher
and higher in a system that rewards deserving sycophants. I addressed this five years ago in
an article
titled "Rise of Another CIA Yes Man." That piece elicited many interesting comments from senior intelligence
officers who knew Morell personally; some of those comments are tucked into the end of the article.
Ray McGovern works with Tell the Word, a publishing arm of the ecumenical Church of the
Saviour in inner-city Washington. He is a 30-year veteran of the CIA and Army intelligence and co-founder
of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS). McGovern served for considerable periods
in all four of CIA's main directorates.
"... CBS can go shove itself in its own collective anus: http://rudaw.net/english/middleeast/syria/120820162 Daesh retreats from Manbij with 2000 civilian hostages. Some humanitarians. ..."
"... Good catch. I hope Assad knows better than to give any legroom to these monkeys, because the SDF is just a rebranded Free Syrian Army. Most are not even Syrian, but Libyan and other mercenaries. Washington keeps changing their acronyms, but the aim remains unchanged – the overthrow and replacement of Assad. ..."
Watching CBS news as I write :
– Rebels rescuing women and children and taking to hospitals (looking staged for cameras)
– Air strikes destroy only remaining hospitals (videos showing piles of medical equipment which
did not appear to have been damaged by fire or blast)
– Syrian government would not respond to inquiries from CBS news about air strikes on hospitals
in Aleppo. The reporter inferred that since the government did not deny the air strikes, they
must be the perpetrators.
Amazing. Child beheaders are portrayed as rescuers of women and children and the forces trying
to defeat them are labeled as murderers.
Remarkable. But a time-tested technique frequently used in the past to portray Palestinian violence
against Israelis. And Hezbollah has been frequently accused as well of faking damage and deaths
in order to cultivate sympathy. I guess everybody does it. But it is in western interests to portray
'rebels', especially pet 'rebels' like the White Helmets, as closet humanitarians and the Syrian
government as the liver-eaters. I think a lot of observers just expect it now and automatically
discount about half of what is said.
Good catch. I hope Assad knows better than to give any legroom to these monkeys, because the
SDF is just a rebranded Free Syrian Army. Most are not even Syrian, but Libyan and other mercenaries.
Washington keeps changing their acronyms, but the aim remains unchanged – the overthrow and replacement
of Assad. After that, things will go one of two ways; Assad will be replaced by a compliant
western toady who will let Washington have a free hand to dabble, or he will be replaced by someone
ineffective who will lead the country to collapse, at which time the west will have to step in
to save it.
Downing Street-controlled BBC disapproves the thawing of relations between Russia and Turkey.
Russia and Turkey: An 'alliance of misfits'?
It was a gesture that ended a crisis. The leaders of Russia and Turkey met on Tuesday to
shake hands and declare a formal end to an eight-month long war of words and economic sanctions.
Reports that US General John F. Campbell was the organizer of a coup d'etat in Turkey surprised
no one. Recall that the July 25th edition of the Turkish Yeni Safak, close to President Recep Erdogan's
AKP party,
reported
that General John F. Campbell, former U.S. commander of the International Security Assistance
Force (ISAF), a NATO-led security mission in Afghanistan, was the organizer of the July 15th military
coup attempt in Turkey. The sources stated that he was also involved in the financing of the coup
participants and the reshuffling of air base personnel while visiting the base on the eve of the
coup attempt. After an unsuccessful coup attempt the Turkish generals
Cahit Bakır and Şener Topçu were detained in Dubai airport. Both worked with Campbell in Afghanistan,
where they commanded the Turkish contingent within the NATO forces.
However, these are not the only clues in the Turkish coup plot which directly points to NATO as
the mastermind of the coup. There are some other information regarding this issue:
1. The same coup participants stationed at the Turkish Air Force, were the most NATO-integrated
structures of the Turkish Military, and this gave to the observers the first evidence of NATO involvement
in the military putsch. The Incirlik Air Base, where the US military was based was used by the putschists
to launch air strikes on the Turkish parliament. The base is jointly used by the US and Turkish Air
Forces. After the coup attempt, it was suppressed by the Turkish commander of the base. General Bekir
Ercan Van was arrested by the troops loyal to Erdogan. General Van sought asylum from the United
States but was denied. In the aftermath of the coup, external electrical power from Turkey was cut
to the base and a Turkish no fly order had been put into effect for US military aircraft in the area.
On July 30th the base was blocked by Turkish troops on information about a second coup attempt.
2. From the very beginning Western media spread disinformation, that President Erdogan flee the
country. American NBS mentioned high ranking US military, proving the information. Thus the US military
was directly involved in the disinformation during the most critical early hours of the failed coup
operation.
The US alternative media Newsbud
has identified Former NATO Commander-Retired US Army General John F. Campbell as the 'likely'
NBC News' source.
3. The majority of those arrested after the coup attempt were people related to the NATO structure.
The the Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper, speaking at a forum on security organized
by the Aspen Institute in Colorado last week, declared that after the coup "many of our interlocutors
have been purged or arrested".
Curtis Scaparrotti, NATO Supreme Allied Commander Europe confirmed this information,
stating that:
"Some of the officers that we have our relationships with in Turkey are now either detained, in
some cases retired as a result of the coup"
Thus, NATO de-facto recognized, that their people were in the ranks on the presumptive putschists
4. It was revealed that NATO aggressively promoted their agents, who then actively participated
in the coup:
According to Erdogan's supporters, thousands of Turkish officers recruited to Gulen's network
went up the ladder in their military career on "on high speed" , reaching ranks of generals and
colonels in key positions. In sharp contrast, in the Kemalist army base, their former fellows remained
captains or majors.
5. The three most important regiments which participated in the coup were part of Turkey's 'NATO
Rapid Deployable Corps'. The registration plates on military vehicles of the putschists, show that
they belonged to the 2nd Armoured Brigade, stationed in the Istanbul district of Kartal, and the
66th Mechanised Infantry Brigade, which is based in Hasdal together with the 6th Regiment. The transcript
of WhatsApp messagess of the plotters,
provided by Bellingcat showed that the group in communications also used the emblem and slogan
used by NATO's Rapid Deployable Corps (a quote of Ataturk) : "Peace at home, peace in the world.".
6. And finally, once again the news from Yeni Safak. It revealed information that the Guvercinlik
First Army Aviation Regiment's Maintenance Battalion Commander Lieutenant Colonel Murat Bolat told
prosecutors that the US was ready to help them to assassinate Erdogan during the coup.
"Americans were to provide the exact coordinates of Erdoğan, if the team was unable to find him
in the hotel. They also said that up to four persons with civil dress have been tracking Erdoğan
", – the Turkish newspaper quotes the rebel.
The same fact, that Erdogan's newspaper attacks the US and NATO so fiercely corroborates that
Turkish authorities are preparing for harsh anti-US moves, including leaving NATO. And they have
a lot of the evidence of NATO's involvement in the coup.
"... German parliamentarians are preparing to ask for sanctions against the USA, Britain and France also. According to those parliamentarians, by implementing the Chaos Strategy in the Middle East, in order to "promote democracy", as they kept saying, Washington, London and Paris are directly responsible for the refugee crisis, the terror attacks and the whole pattern of instability which has now engulfed Turkey as well. ..."
"... Mr. Erdogan, President of one of the most important NATO countries, did not meet any of his Western counterparts, but he is going to Russia to meet President Putin, and his closest advisors are proposing that he should institute an alliance with Russia, like Kemal, and wage war against "the Crusaders". ..."
"... The perspective of a strategic alliance between Ankara and Moscow is the definition of a nightmare for US and Israeli planners. They certainly did not start all those wars just to see a bloc of Russia, Turkey, Iran and Syria being formed in the Middle East, not to mention, potentially, a huge crisis in NATO. ..."
According to our information this is only the first step. German parliamentarians are preparing
to ask for sanctions against the USA, Britain and France also. According to those parliamentarians,
by implementing the Chaos Strategy in the Middle East, in order to "promote democracy", as they kept
saying, Washington, London and Paris are directly responsible for the refugee crisis, the terror
attacks and the whole pattern of instability which has now engulfed Turkey as well.
According also to our information, top US and Israeli officials are outraged at what is happening.
They now have to cancel all family vacation planning and concentrate on how to handle an unbelievable
new situation. Mr. Erdogan, President of one of the most important NATO countries, did not meet
any of his Western counterparts, but he is going to Russia to meet President Putin, and his closest
advisors are proposing that he should institute an alliance with Russia, like Kemal, and wage war
against "the Crusaders".
The perspective of a strategic alliance between Ankara and Moscow is the definition of a nightmare
for US and Israeli planners. They certainly did not start all those wars just to see a bloc of Russia,
Turkey, Iran and Syria being formed in the Middle East, not to mention, potentially, a huge crisis
in NATO.
We are still not there and nobody knows if we will reach that point. Russia and Turkey, as history
proves, have seriously conflicting interests. As for Erdogan himself, he cannot win over the Kurds
by military means and neither can the Kurds win what they want by war. All that is certain is that
we are heading straight for very serious conflicts.
Fortunately for them, and probably for us also, European politicians do not consider any alteration
of their vacation programs. They are continuing their enjoyment of their holidays, waiting for Washington
to take its decisions.
"... Putin is a monster to feed the imagination of the masses, systematically depicted as a psychopathic
tyrant, responsible for massacres, cynical weaver of imperialistic plots. ..."
"... Things are changing. The resolute intervention of Russia against the Daesh terrorists unmasked
ambiguities in Turkish and Saudi Arabian policy The West as a whole was stunned. Russophobic propaganda
went into panic mode Slowly and steadily another truth is coming out and being glimpsed. The winners
of the Cold War were already convinced that Russia was defeated and colonized. ..."
By now it is clear: the crisis in which the West is struggling does not resemble anything known.
It is a crisis of values, democracy, economic, financial, environmental, an unprecedented political
crisis. All paradigms are collapsing, the US leadership is no longer invincible: clearly it is in
serious danger. And when power feels weak, it looks for an enemy to target: somebody to blame, somebody
to frighten people with. All is grist for the mill. Instead of an admission of the truth, namely
that the crisis is inside the west, is a by-product of the West, instead of an admission that resources
are running out and the system is marching toward collapse, Russia is made the enemy. So it was in
the past, so it is today. The obsession returns in updated form. Russia with its strongman Vladimir
Putin is the new "enemy number one". Reviving Cold War slogans, they (the West, the USA), are reproducing
the idea of the Evil Empire, and Putin is a monster to feed the imagination of the masses, systematically
depicted as a psychopathic tyrant, responsible for massacres, cynical weaver of imperialistic plots.
The war in Ukraine, the economic sanctions, even the denial of the Russian role in the defeat
of Nazism: everything is pushing in that direction. But is it really so, or is the "Putinophobia"
that is being touted by the bulk of the media just a big mirror in which the West sees its own shortcomings
and troubles reflected?
Things are changing. The resolute intervention of Russia against the Daesh terrorists unmasked
ambiguities in Turkish and Saudi Arabian policy The West as a whole was stunned. Russophobic propaganda
went into panic mode Slowly and steadily another truth is coming out and being glimpsed. The winners
of the Cold War were already convinced that Russia was defeated and colonized.
They were looking to China as the next enemy to be destroyed or reduced to submission. They have
been taken by surprise. Putin's Russia, the phoenix reborn from its ashes, is the only superpower
that can derail the train that is hurtling towards catastrophe. But it may be also the last hope
for the West too. If, obviously, the West can bring itself to understand that it is not, in any case,
going to be able to rule over seven billion people.
Even many center-left outlets barely touched on the massive mission creep. To give some
perspective, Slate, Mother Jones, and Buzzfeed News all
ran more stories about Trump's dust-up with an infant than they did on what was effectively
the start of a new war. ABC
World News Tonight mentioned the Libyan air strikes for only 20 seconds, 13 minutes into
the show, and NBC
Nightly News didn't mention the air strikes at all. The president's announcement that
the United States is bombing a new country has become entirely banal.
American Special Forces within Nusra? If true that's rich...
Notable quotes:
"... Has al Nusra proven to be a capable fighting force on its own? Or has it proven capable at using the weapons gifted it by its regime-change uncle and with the support of the USAF and American Special Forces? ..."
"... Natalya Nougayrède hits all the familiar high points in this typical hagiography – Putin is in Syria because he wants to show everyone his penis, and avenge the catastrophic defeat of Soviet forces in Afghanistan while restoring Russia's image as a serious military power. ..."
"... But despite her love-letter to western imperialism, Nougayrède seems quite clear that Assad is not losing ..."
Has al Nusra proven to be a capable fighting force on its own? Or has it proven capable at
using the weapons gifted it by its regime-change uncle and with the support of the USAF and American
Special Forces?
Natalya Nougayrède hits all the familiar high points in
this typical hagiography – Putin is in Syria because he wants to show everyone his penis,
and avenge the catastrophic defeat of Soviet forces in Afghanistan while restoring Russia's image
as a serious military power. Putin was in the KGB. It has absolutely fuck-all to do with
the article, but Putin was in the KGB, just to be sure you know. It was terribly embarrassing
for the Soviet Union to be defeated by a ragtag army of Afghan Mujaheddin, but apparently it is
not embarrassing at all for America to experience the
profound failure of its military policy in Afghanistan . Or perhaps it is embarrassing,
since it dares not leave.
But despite her love-letter to western imperialism, Nougayrède seems quite clear that Assad
is not losing, although she plainly would be delighted if that were the case. She also points
out that Aleppo is the last remaining significant opposition stronghold. If al Nusra is such an
awesome fighting force, why are they surrounded in the last significant objective they hold? Why
are they not spreading out and taking more territory?
"... "These three instances are representative of a broader trend in the Western media to offer sensationalistic and misleading coverage that exacerbates poor relations with Russia. The most recent example of the media, including the New York Times and the Washington Post , moving from reporting on events to becoming outright propagandists came during the run-up to the Iraq War. Today, coverage of Russia is starting to resemble the unanimity of opinion that prevailed over a decade ago on Iraq and it is seeping into a variety of outlets." Russia, Trump and Manafort: A Test of the News ..."
A surprisingly reasonable article in the Atlantic (or perhaps 'surprisingly' is a wrong adverb
considering the article was written by
a Moscow-based author):
By the way, do you perhaps remember that journalist, Rachel Bauman, who has written an acidic
response to William Browder a couple months ago? That's what she writes now:
"These three instances are representative of a broader trend in the Western media to offer
sensationalistic and misleading coverage that exacerbates poor relations with Russia. The most
recent example of the media, including the New York Times and the Washington Post, moving
from reporting on events to becoming outright propagandists came during the run-up to the Iraq
War. Today, coverage of Russia is starting to resemble the unanimity of opinion that prevailed
over a decade ago on Iraq and it is seeping into a variety of outlets."
Chairman Xi Jinping is making Russia an offer that
Russia can't refuse?
Notable quotes:
"... "We are now seeing the aggressive actions on the part of the United States, regarding both Russia and China. I believe that Russia and China could create an alliance toward which NATO will be powerless and which will put an end to the imperialist desires of the West." ..."
"The world is on the verge of radical change. We see how the European Union is gradually collapsing,
as is the US economy -- it is all over for the new world order. So, it will never again be as
it was before, in 10 years we will have a new world order in which the key will be the union of
China and Russia."
"We are now seeing the aggressive actions on the part of the United States,
regarding both Russia and China. I believe that Russia and China could create an alliance toward
which NATO will be powerless and which will put an end to the imperialist desires of the West."
Great link, thanks.
Given the real world politic, I don't see that Russia has much choice. The lack of pressure by
the PRC is an important note; Russia isn't being coerced but rather romanced.
My fear has been, and remains, the bat shit crazy neo-cons and their inability to let go of the
imperialist dream of world hegemon.
[Aug 07, 2016] Neocon from Foreign Policy magazine are still dreaming about dismembering and colonizing Russi
Notable quotes:
"... No kidding; Kiev's ability to interrupt gas flows to Europe – which the west previously would not even discuss, since it was obviously Russia using energy as a weapon – is presented as just kittenish playfulness, and such an interruption is not a big problem because it's so amusing to watch the clever Ukrainians tweak Moscow's nose. All in good fun, of course, and transit fees are a right. There's just nothing about going around Ukraine to prevent that from happening which could be described as good fun, or tweaking Kiev's nose. Because the Ukrainians are cute, and the Russians are savages. ..."
"This summer hasn't seen a lot of setbacks for Russia, not even for its Olympic hopefuls.
Crimea has been annexed and fully absorbed, with the blessing of Republican presidential front-runner
Donald Trump, who also calls NATO "obsolete." Russian intelligence services have allegedly
been pawing through the emails of U.S. political parties, and releasing them at their leisure.
Turkey, in the wake of a failed coup attempt, is rushing to mend fences with Moscow."
Couple of things, my unfellow whiner. First, Crimea has been annexed and absorbed prior to
Trump's statement. Ergo it could not have happened with his blessing, since his blessing could
only come after the events took place, but what's temporal physics to a "journalist" from FP?
Second, at this point I think it's safe to conclude that every intelligence service of any powerful
countries studied those e-mails, no need for allegedly. And we don't know if it's the Russians
that are releasing them. Third, Turkey rushed to mend ties with Moscow before the coup, not after,
but then again, what's temporal physics to a "journalist" from FP? This article promises to deliver
mirth, let's read on!
"All of which makes last month's decision by the Polish antitrust regulator to file a formal
objection against Russia's proposed "Nord Stream 2" gas pipeline more noteworthy. That regulatory
spanner could be Europe's last and best chance to halt construction of a pipeline that critics
say will divide Europe, beggar Ukraine, and reinforce Moscow's energy dominance for another generation."
That's a big deal? Poland's opposition to Nord Stream 2 has been well document throughout the
ages. Ukraine is already beggared, but let's all blame that on Russia. Moscow's energy dominance
comes from the EU being a voracious money swallowing pit, and not enough solar/wind/nuclear powerplants
being built, due to, wait for it… lack of funding! Those funds are in places like Syria and Iraq.
Oh, and won't the lack of construction divide Europe? Cause I doubt that Russia's going to prop
up Ukraine, so if Southern Europe has no gas and Northern Europe has some, won't that be divisive?
"For years, Russia has sought to keep Europe dependent on its exports of energy, especially
through natural gas pipelines. But Moscow is also desperate to cut out potentially meddlesome
middlemen, like Ukraine, which sits smack between Russia's natural gas fields and millions of
European consumers. That gives Kiev the ability to interrupt Russian gas flows headed to Europe,
infuriating Moscow, but also earns Ukraine billions of dollars in much-needed transit fees."
Oh really? So Kaliningrad's border with EU member states are somehow attached to Ukraine? Intriguing,
very intriguing, did someone skip his geography class?
"A decade ago, Russia enlisted former German Chancellor Gerhard Schröder to help it build a
pipe across the Baltic from Russia to Germany, sidestepping Ukraine: Nord Stream. Then Russia
tried to build another pipeline, "South Stream," across the Black Sea from Russia to Bulgaria,
also bypassing Ukraine, but that was quashed by the European Union in 2014. Then, Moscow invented
the idea of a "Turkish Stream," another proposed Black Sea pipe, one landing in Turkey, outside
of Brussels's reach. But last fall, Turkish F-16s shot down a Russian jet, and with it hopes of
any immediate Russo-Turkish energy cooperation."
Really? Because in the beginning, the article claimed that "Turkey…is rushing to mend fences
with Moscow." So they're rushing to cooperate, ergo there won't be cooperation? Stellar "journalism"
absolutely stellar.
'… But the Polish Office of Competition and Consumer Protection last month determined that
Nord Stream 2 - which wouldn't even touch Polish territory - could harm consumers. "The Office
found that the concentration might lead to restriction of competition," it tentatively concluded,
adding that the project could "further strengthen" Gazprom's "dominant position." …'
Looks as if the Poles and the FP writer have a strange idea of what free market competition
is. Their idea seems to be that the more middlemen there are, taking their cut, oops, share of
the transit fees, and passing the costs down the pipeline, the more competition there is. Plus
the journalist fails to see what's wrong with Ukraine interrupting the flow of gas from Russia
to the EU to get transit fee income, unless of course he thinks extortion is a legitimate way
of doing business.
That gives Kiev the ability to interrupt Russian gas flows headed to Europe, infuriating
Moscow, but also earns Ukraine billions of dollars in much-needed transit fees.
So, when Ukraine interrupts gas flow to Europe to "infuriate" Moscow, Europe is not infuriated
to contend with a crippling gas shortage? And how long is Russia expected to rely on a transit
country that likes to infuriate its customer? Gawd, this guy is stupid.
No kidding; Kiev's ability to interrupt gas flows to Europe – which the west previously would
not even discuss, since it was obviously Russia using energy as a weapon – is presented as just
kittenish playfulness, and such an interruption is not a big problem because it's so amusing to
watch the clever Ukrainians tweak Moscow's nose. All in good fun, of course, and transit fees
are a right. There's just nothing about going around Ukraine to prevent that from happening which
could be described as good fun, or tweaking Kiev's nose. Because the Ukrainians are cute, and
the Russians are savages.
It looks like Russia is not going to be told that it must continue transiting gas through Ukraine,
although Ukraine has been on its best behavior where transit is concerned over the last little
while (to show how reliable it can be), and transit through Ukraine has actually increased, a
fact they lose no opportunity to point out (as if to say, you need us now more than ever). But
Kiev reserves the right to hike the transit fees whenever it needs a little more struttin' money,
and while the obstructive talk is on hold for now, the Ukrainians love to shoot their mouths off
and have made it clear they will simply take gas intended for Europe if Russia restricts Ukraine's
supply (although they have brought their Russia supplies way, way down by buying Russian gas from
other European countries, bought with gas money given it by the IMF.
Russia would very likely agree to continue supplying Ukraine through its own pipeline network,
probably even at a quite attractive price – but if Ukraine started any of its special-needs antics,
Russia would not have to worry about Europe's supply going through Ukraine's decrepit pipeline
system. Ukraine could be cut off without a second thought, as any reasonable supplier would do
if it is not getting paid or is otherwise abused by its customer – and as Europe would do in a
second if it were the other way round and Russia was spending billions for European gas transited
through Ukraine, which the Ukrainians poached at their leisure.
"... Russia is aware of the United States' plans for nuclear hegemony ..."
"... The Russian president also highlighted the fact that although the United States missile system is referred to as an "anti-missile defense system," the systems are just as offensive as they are defensive: ..."
"... Putin further explained the implications of this missile defense system's implementation without any response from Russia. The ability of the missile defense system to render Russia's nuclear capabilities useless would cause an upset in what Putin refers to as the "strategic balance" of the world. Without this balance of power, the U.S. would be free to pursue their policies throughout the world without any tangible threat from Russia. Therefore, this "strategic balance," according to Putin, is what has kept the world safe from large-scale wars and military conflicts. ..."
(ANTIMEDIA)
As the United States continues to
develop and upgrade their nuclear weapons capabilities at an alarming rate,
America's ruling class refuses to heed warnings from President Vladimir Putin
that Russia will respond as necessary.
In his most
recent
attempt to warn his Western counterparts about the impending danger of a
new nuclear arms race, Putin told the heads of large foreign companies and business
associations that Russia is aware of the United States' plans for nuclear
hegemony. He was speaking at the 20th St. Petersburg International Economic
Forum.
"We know year by year what will happen, and they know that we know,"
he said.
Putin argued that the rationale the U.S. previously gave for maintaining
and developing its nuclear weapons system is directed at the so-called "Iranian
threat." But that threat has been drastically reduced since the U.S. proved
instrumental in reaching an
agreement with Iran that should
put to rest any possible Iranian nuclear potential.
The Russian president also highlighted the fact that although the United
States missile system is referred to as an "anti-missile defense system," the
systems are just as offensive as they are defensive:
"They say [the missile systems] are part of their defense capability,
and are not offensive, that these systems are aimed at protecting them from
aggression. It's not true the strategic ballistic missile defense is part
of an offensive strategic capability, [and] functions in conjunction with
an aggressive missile strike system."
This missile system has been launched throughout Europe, and despite
American promises at the end of the Cold War that NATO's expansion would
not move "as much as a thumb's width further to the East," the missile system
has been implemented in many of Russia's neighboring countries, most recently
in Romania.
Russia views this as a direct attack on their security.
"How do we know what's inside those launchers? All one needs to do
is reprogram [the system], which is an absolutely inconspicuous task,"
Putin stated.
Putin further explained the implications of this missile defense system's
implementation without any response from Russia. The ability of the missile
defense system to render Russia's nuclear capabilities useless would cause an
upset in what Putin refers to as the "strategic balance" of the world. Without
this balance of power, the U.S. would be free to pursue their policies throughout
the world without any tangible threat from Russia. Therefore, this "strategic
balance," according to Putin, is what has kept the world safe from large-scale
wars and military conflicts.
Following
George W. Bush's 2001 decision to unilaterally withdraw the U.S. from the
1972 Antiballistic Missile Treaty, Russia was, according to Putin, left with
no choice but to upgrade their capabilities in response.
Putin warned:
"Today Russia has reached significant achievements in this field.
We have modernized our missile systems and successfully developed new generations.
Not to mention missile defense systems We must provide security not only
for ourselves. It's important to provide strategic balance in the world,
which guarantees peace on the planet.
Neutralizing Russia's nuclear potential will undo, according to Putin,
"the mutual threat that has provided [mankind] with global security for decades."
It should, therefore, come as no surprise that NASA scientists want to
colonize the moon by 2022 - we may have to if we don't drastically alter
the path we are on. As Albert Einstein
famously stated:
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World
War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
"... Whatever the character of America's involvement in the Middle East before 1980, when Bacevich's account begins, it was not a war, at least not in terms of American casualties. "From the end of World War II to 1980, virtually no American soldiers were killed in action while serving in that region," he notes. "Within a decade," however, "a great shift occurred. Since 1990, virtually no American soldiers have been killed in action anywhere except in the Greater Middle East." ..."
"... The sequence of events, lucidly related by Bacevich, would be a dark absurdist comedy if it weren't tragically real. To check Iran, the U.S. supported Saddam Hussein's Iraq in the Iran-Iraq War of 1980–88, whose final phase, the so-called "Tanker War," involved direct U.S. military engagement with Iranian naval forces. (Bacevich calls this the real first Persian Gulf War.) ..."
"... Finally, George W. Bush decided to risk what his father had dared not: invading Iraq with the objective of "regime change," he launched a third Gulf War in 2003. The notion his neoconservative advisers put into Bush's head was that, with only a little help from American occupation and reconstruction, the void left by Saddam Hussein's removal would be filled by a model democracy. ..."
"... Yet the first Bush had been right: Iran, as well as ISIS, reaped the rewards of regime change in Baghdad. And so America is now being drawn into a fourth Gulf War, reintroducing troops-styled as advisors-into Iraq to counter the effects of the previous Gulf War, which was itself an answer to the unfinished business of the wars of 1991 and the late 1980s. Our military interventions in the Persian Gulf have been a self-perpetuating chain reaction for over three decades. ..."
"... "Wolfowitz adhered to an expansive definition of the Persian Gulf," notes Bacevich, which in that young defense intellectual's words extended from "the region between Pakistan and Iran in the northeast to the Yemens in the southwest." Wolfowitz identified two prospective menaces to U.S. interests in the region: the Soviet Union-this was still the Cold War era, after all-and "the emerging Iraqi threat"; to counter these Wolfowitz called for "advisors and counterinsurgency specialists, token combat forces, or a major commitment" of U.S. forces to the Middle East. ..."
"... The military bureaucracy took advantage of the removal of one enemy from the map-Soviet Communism-to redirect resources toward a new region and new threats. As Bacevich observes, "What some at the time were calling a 'peace dividend' offered CENTCOM a way of expanding its portfolio of assets." Operation Desert Storm, and all that came afterward, became possible. ..."
"... The final lesson of this one is simple: "Perpetuating the War for the Greater Middle East is not enhancing American freedom, abundance, and security. If anything, it is having the opposite effect." ..."
Bacevich's latest book, America's War for the Greater Middle East: A Military History,
is a bookend of sorts to American Empire. The earlier work was heavy on theory and institutional
development, the groundwork for the wars of the early 21st century. The new book covers the history
itself-and argues persuasively that the Afghanistan, Iraq, and other, smaller wars since 9/11 are
parts of a larger conflict that began much earlier, back in the Carter administration.
Whatever the character of America's involvement in the Middle East before 1980, when Bacevich's
account begins, it was not a war, at least not in terms of American casualties. "From the end of
World War II to 1980, virtually no American soldiers were killed in action while serving in that
region," he notes. "Within a decade," however, "a great shift occurred. Since 1990, virtually no
American soldiers have been killed in action anywhere except in the Greater Middle East."
Operation Eagle Claw, Carter's ill-fated mission to rescue Americans held hostage in Iran, was
the first combat engagement in the war. Iran would continue to tempt Washington to military action
throughout the next 36 years-though paradoxically, attempts to contain Iran more often brought the
U.S. into war with the Islamic Republic's hostile neighbor, Iraq.
The sequence of events, lucidly related by Bacevich, would be a dark absurdist comedy if it
weren't tragically real. To check Iran, the U.S. supported Saddam Hussein's Iraq in the Iran-Iraq
War of 1980–88, whose final phase, the so-called "Tanker War," involved direct U.S. military engagement
with Iranian naval forces. (Bacevich calls this the real first Persian Gulf War.)
Weakened and indebted by that war, and thinking the U.S. tolerant of his ambitions, Saddam then
invaded Kuwait, leading to full-scale U.S. military intervention against him: Operation Desert Storm
in 1991. (By Bacevich's count, the second Gulf War.) President George H.W. Bush stopped American
forces from pushing on to Baghdad after liberating Kuwait, however, because-among other things-toppling
Saddam would have created a dangerous vacuum that Iran might fill.
A decade of sanctions, no-fly zones, and intermittent bombing then ensued, as Washington, under
Bush and Clinton, would neither depose Saddam Hussein nor permit him to reassert himself. Finally,
George W. Bush decided to risk what his father had dared not: invading Iraq with the objective of
"regime change," he launched a third Gulf War in 2003. The notion his neoconservative advisers put
into Bush's head was that, with only a little help from American occupation and reconstruction, the
void left by Saddam Hussein's removal would be filled by a model democracy. This would set a
precedent for America to democratize every trouble-making state in the region, including Iran.
Yet the first Bush had been right: Iran, as well as ISIS, reaped the rewards of regime change
in Baghdad. And so America is now being drawn into a fourth Gulf War, reintroducing troops-styled
as advisors-into Iraq to counter the effects of the previous Gulf War, which was itself an answer
to the unfinished business of the wars of 1991 and the late 1980s. Our military interventions in
the Persian Gulf have been a self-perpetuating chain reaction for over three decades.
Iran released its American hostages the day Ronald Reagan was sworn in as president: January 20,
1981. So what accounts for another 35 years of conflict with Iran and Iraq? The answer begins with
oil.
Bacevich takes us back to the Carter years. "By June 1979, a just-completed study by a then-obscure
Defense Department official named Paul Wolfowitz was attracting notice throughout the national security
bureaucracy." This "Limited Contingency Study" described America's "vital and growing stake in the
Persian Gulf," arising from "our need for Persian-Gulf oil and because events in the Persian Gulf
affect the Arab-Israeli conflict."
"Wolfowitz adhered to an expansive definition of the Persian Gulf," notes Bacevich, which
in that young defense intellectual's words extended from "the region between Pakistan and Iran in
the northeast to the Yemens in the southwest." Wolfowitz identified two prospective menaces to U.S.
interests in the region: the Soviet Union-this was still the Cold War era, after all-and "the emerging
Iraqi threat"; to counter these Wolfowitz called for "advisors and counterinsurgency specialists,
token combat forces, or a major commitment" of U.S. forces to the Middle East.
(Bacevich is fair to Wolfowitz, acknowledging that Saddam Hussein was indeed an expansionist,
as the Iraqi dictator would demonstrate by invading Iran in 1980 and seizing Kuwait a decade later.
Whether this meant that Iraq was ever a threat to U.S. interests is, of course, a different question-as
is whether the Soviet Union could really have cut America off from Gulf oil.)
Wolfowitz was not alone in calling for the U.S. to become the guarantor of Middle East security-and
Saudi Arabia's security in particular-and President Carter heeded the advice. In March 1980 he created
the Rapid Deployment Joint Task Force (RDJTF), predecessor to what we now know as the U.S. Central
Command (CENTCOM), which has military oversight for the region. The RDJTF's second head, Lt. Gen.
Robert Kingston, described its mission, in admirably frank language, as simply "to ensure the unimpeded
flow of oil from the Arabian Gulf."
Iraq and Iran both posed dangers to the flow of oil and its control by Saudi Arabia and other
Arab allies-to use the term loosely-of the United States. And just as the U.S. was drawn into wars
with Iran and Iraq when it tried to play one against the other, America's defense of Saudi Arabia
would have grave unintended consequences-such as the creation of al-Qaeda. Osama bin Laden was outraged
when, in 1990, Saudi Arabia's King Fahd declined his offer to wage holy war against Saddam Hussein
and instead turned to American protection, even permitting the stationing of American military personnel
in Islam's sacred lands. "To liberate Kuwait," writes Bacevich, bin Laden had "offered to raise an
army of mujahedin. Rejecting his offer and his protest, Saudi authorities sought to silence the impertinent
bin Laden. Not long thereafter, he fled into exile, determined to lead a holy war that would overthrow
the corrupt Saudi royals." The instrument bin Laden forged to accomplish that task, al-Qaeda, would
target Americans as well, seeking to push the U.S. out of Muslim lands.
Bin Laden had reason to hope for success: in the 1980s he had helped mujahedin defeat another
superpower, the Soviet Union, in Afghanistan. That struggle, of course, was supported by the U.S.,
through the CIA's "Operation Cyclone," which funneled arms and money to the Soviets' Muslim opponents.
Bacevich offers a verdict on this program:
Operation Cyclone illustrates one of the central ironies of America's War for the Greater Middle
East-the unwitting tendency, while intently focusing on solving one problem, to exacerbate a second
and plant the seeds of a third. In Afghanistan, this meant fostering the rise of Islamic radicalism
and underwriting Pakistan's transformation into a nuclear-armed quasi-rogue state while attempting
to subvert the Soviet Union.
America's support for the mujahedin succeeded in inflicting defeat on the USSR-but left Afghanistan
a haven and magnet for Islamist radicals, including bin Laden.
Another irony of Bacevich's tale is the way in which the end of the Cold War made escalation of
the War for the Greater Middle East possible. The Carter and Reagan administrations never considered
the Middle East the centerpiece of their foreign policy: Western Europe and the Cold War took precedence.
Carter and Reagan were unsystematic about their engagement with the Middle East and, even as they
expanded America's military presence, remained wary of strategic overcommitment. Operation Eagle
Claw, Reagan's deployment of troops to Lebanon in 1983 and bombing of Libya in 1986, and even the
meddling in Iran and Iraq were all small-scale projects compared to what would be unleashed after
the fall of the Berlin Wall.
The military bureaucracy took advantage of the removal of one enemy from the map-Soviet Communism-to
redirect resources toward a new region and new threats. As Bacevich observes, "What some at the time
were calling a 'peace dividend' offered CENTCOM a way of expanding its portfolio of assets." Operation
Desert Storm, and all that came afterward, became possible.
The
Greater Middle East of Bacevich's title centers strategically, if not geographically, upon Saudi
Arabia, Iraq, and Iran. But its strategic implications and cultural reach are wide, encompassing
Libya, Somalia, and other African states with significant Muslim populations; Afghanistan and Pakistan
(or "AfPak," in the Obama administration's parlance); and even, on the periphery, the Balkans, where
the U.S. intervened militarily in support of Muslims in Bosnia and Kosovo in the 1990s. That Clinton-era
intervention is examined in detail by Bacevich: "Today, years after NATO came to their rescue," he
writes, "a steady stream of Bosnians and Kosovars leave their homeland and head off toward Syria
and Iraq, where they enlist as fighters in the ongoing anti-American, anti-Western jihad."
Much as George W. Bush believed that liberal democracy would spring up in Saddam Hussein's wake,
the humanitarian interventionists who demanded that Bill Clinton send peacekeepers to Bosnia and
bomb Serbia on behalf of the Kosovars thought that they were making the world safe for their own
liberal, multicultural values. But as Bacevich notes, the Balkan Muslims joining ISIS today are "waging
war on behalf of an entirely different set of universal values."
Bacevich's many books confront readers with painful but necessary truths. The final lesson
of this one is simple: "Perpetuating the War for the Greater Middle East is not enhancing American
freedom, abundance, and security. If anything, it is having the opposite effect."
Daniel McCarthy is the editor of The American Conservative.
In case your wondering who the US is financing in Ukraine, its these Nazis who have now killed
over 10,000 ethnic Russian civilians while the corrupt US media has intentionally covered it up.
"... On the contrary, the Persian Gulf should be deemed a region of vital interest to the security of the United States. ..."
"... We also reject Iran's attempt to blame others for regional tensions it is aggravating, as well as its public campaign to demonize the government of Saudi Arabia. ..."
Wahhab proclaimed those who did not accept his puritan monotheism as apostates and idolaters who
should be killed immediately. And now, Shiites, Alawites, Zaidis, Druze, Ismailis - and Kurds, who
are mostly Sunni Muslim - are defending themselves and their families from the truly fundamentalist
zealotry of neo-Wahhabism that murders all whom it deems apostate. To reverse the narrative and cast
their efforts to defend themselves as somehow sectarian is bizarre - especially since the bulk of
the Syrian army and Kurds fighting ISIS
are
themselves Sunni Muslims.
To fight ISIS is not anti-Sunni. To fight ISIS is to be against Wahhab's revived doctrines. The
leading Iraqi commentator Hayder al-Khoei highlighted that in a recent
op-ed
:
The tip of the spear in Falluja is not an Iranian-backed paramilitary group but the U.S.-created
Counter Terrorism Service and its elite U.S.-trained Special Forces known locally as the Golden
Division. These forces, besides being a mixed Shia-Sunni unit, are led by a Kurdish commander
... At a time when sectarian dynamics is one of many factors fueling the crises in Iraq and beyond,
it is important for Western journalists and analysts to not be more sectarian than the Iraqis
on the ground actually fighting ISIS.
In short, the ephemeral global narrative does not relate well to the facts on the ground where there
is much less sectarianism than this Western-Gulf narrative purports to exist.
But let that pass.
This narrative,
echoed widely
beyond the
Financial Times
, is Orwellian in
another way. It serves another deeper purpose. It has much to do with finding and articulating, as
Jim Lobe
notes
, the point of intersection between liberal interventionism and neoconservatism. This intersection
is the subject of a May 16
report
from the Center for a New American Security, which was drawn up by a bipartisan task force
of 10 senior members of the U.S. foreign policy establishment and augmented by six dinner discussions
with invited experts.
Their approach is to cast Iran as the source of all 'regional tensions' and
to hold onto America's Gulf bases in order to be a 'force that can flex across several different
mission sets and prevail.'
It is, in a sense, the riposte from the two interventionist wings of American politics to Trump's
iconoclasm in foreign policy. And, Lobe writes, "it's fair to predict that the above-mentioned report
is likely to be the best guide to date of where a Hillary Clinton presidency will want to take the
country's foreign policy."
The report is all about how to maintain America's benevolent hegemony
- or how to maintain and expand today's "rules-based international order," which implies maintaining
and expanding the geo-financial order as much as the political order. As we saw in U.S. Defense Secretary
Ashton Carter's
interview
with Vox, there are clear, though somewhat cushioned,
echoes
of the 1992 U.S. Defense Planning Guidance.
The CNAS report states, "[F]rom a resurgent Russia to a rising China that is challenging the rules-based
international order to chaos, and the struggle for power in the Middle East, the United States needs
a force that can flex across several different mission sets and prevail." The report simply
restates
in more nuanced language many of ideas that underline the concept of the "
American
Century
" and U.S.-led unipolar world order.
What does this have to do with propagating the
meme that the war on ISIS is a disguised sectarian war on Sunni Islam? Well, quite a lot. Consider
this from the report (italics mine):
The United States should adopt a comprehensive strategy, employing an appropriate mix of military,
economic and diplomatic resources, to undermine and defeat Iran's hegemonic ambitions in the Greater
Middle East. Whether in Lebanon, Yemen, Syria or Bahrain, Tehran's advances and longer-term ambitions
should be regarded as a threat to stability that it is in the U.S. interest to counter and deter.
The next administration must make abundantly clear that it has no interest in pursuing an off-shore
balancing strategy, such as the 'new equilibrium' some have suggested, which envisages a significant
U.S. military drawdown from the region.
On the contrary, the Persian
Gulf should be deemed a region of vital interest to the security of the United States.
As
such, U.S. military forces in the region should be sufficient to ensure the security of Gulf allies
and the Strait of Hormuz against potential Iranian aggression. At the same time, Gulf allies should
have access to sufficient defense articles and services to deter Tehran even if U.S. forces are
not present or immediately available to assist.
We also reject Iran's attempt to blame others for regional tensions
it is aggravating, as well as its public campaign to demonize the government of Saudi Arabia.
The last sentence is truly amazing. So the spread of
cultural and militant Wahhabism
has nothing to do with tension in the region? Here we see that
the crux of the joint neocon, liberal-interventionist foreign policy for the Middle East is to cast
Iran as the source of all "regional tensions" and secondly, to hold onto America's Gulf bases - in
order to "flex across several different mission sets and prevail."
Saudi Arabia is mildly rebuked
in the CNAS report for having helped radicalize Sunni Islamist groups in the past, but the Kingdom
receives applause for its law enforcement and intelligence cooperation. It is very clear from the
report's context that a makeover of Saudi Arabia's status as a U.S. ally is underway and that this
rehabilitation is seen as integral to aiding America's "hard-nosed enforcement strategy ... to counter
Iran's destabilizing activities throughout the region, from its support to terrorist groups like
Hezbollah to its efforts to sow instability in the Sunni Arab states."
The old Western standby of using psychologically inflamed Sunni radicalism
as a means to weaken opponents seems like it won't be dismantled completely.
Another gloss in the CNAS report is striking: while ISIS as a threat is made much of, and a call
is issued to "uproot" it, when it comes to Syria, the report simply states that "it is also essential
to assist in the formation of a Sunni alternative to ISIS and the [Syria President Bashar] Assad
regime" and to create "a safe space ... where moderate opposition militias can arm, train, and organize."
Yet there is no mention of Jabhat al-Nusra, al Qaeda's Syria wing. Its role simply is not addressed.
This conscious lacuna suggests that the authors do not want to embarrass Saudi Arabia for all
its fired-up Sunni jihadist tools. The old Western standby of using psychologically inflamed Sunni
radicalism as a means to weaken opponents seems like it won't be dismantled completely. It is fine,
evidently, to make a hoo-ha about ISIS while Nusra is to be slipped quietly into the Syrian calculus
in order to shift the military balance and convince Assad that he cannot remain in power.
This
new/old policy platform is well assisted by broadcasting a narrative that those fighting ISIS on
the ground (Iran and its allies) are the "naked sectarians" who compound their sectarian intent by
provoking Sunnis to rally to ISIS, their defender. Thus, Iran becomes the threat to regional security,
and the CNAS case against Iran is crystalized. This is working quite well, it seems, to judge by
its play in the media.
It may be fairly asked however, why these eminent American foreign policy
hands should be espousing what many might see as such a retrograde stance. Promoting Saudi Arabia
and Gulf states as key U.S. allies would seem to go against the grain of contemporary - even Congressional
- sentiment. Ditto for maintaining America's necklace of (expensive) military bases around the globe
in order to project American military power. Are Americans not tiring of endless war? And has not
the arming and training of a Sunni opposition in Syria been tried several times and failed? Why should
this policy be any more successful next time around?
ISIS is the consensual scapegoat to be lambasted by all and sundry, but its
spirit - neo-Wahabbism - is not to be rooted out.
It is not that the report's authors don't grasp these points, but if the neocons have one constancy,
it has been their unwavering support for Israel. They think that the Gulf states are ready for a
normalization with Israel and wish to do profitable business with it. What stands in the way of this
rapprochement, in the neocon view, is Iran, Syria and Hezbollah's vehement opposition - and their
ability to ignite public opinion across the Muslim world on behalf of the Palestinians.
So what
is the final takeaway from all this? It is that ISIS is the consensual scapegoat to be lambasted
by all and sundry, but its spirit - neo-Wahabbism - is not to be rooted out. It is too useful to
Saudi Arabia and Turkey and to Western interests - to weaken Assad, for example, and to contain Iran
and fight
Hezbollah
.
Whether in the form of Nusra or Ahrar al-Sham,
another al Qaeda-allied rebel group in Syria, this chameleon-like Sunni jihadist force collectively
provides a useful pivot around which neocons and liberal interventionists alike can pursue interventionism
and the continuance of "the American Century." It also provides a valuable intersection between Israel
and Gulf interests. As Lobe wryly
notes
, "the authors' undisguised hostility toward Tehran pours forth with specific policy recommendations
that, frankly, could have been written as a joint paper submitted by Saudi Arabia and Israel."
Will the report, like the neocon Project for the New American Century, to which it is perhaps conceived
as a successor, come to form the basis of American foreign policy if a Democrat won the forthcoming
election? Possibly, yes.
But there is also an intangible feeling of something passé in these policy prescriptions, a sense
that they belong to a former era. The current presidential campaign, with all its iconoclasm and
evidence of widespread popular anger towards the status quo, suggests that such a palpable replay
of the past is not tenable.
"... Nuland would survive the controversy over the October 2012 attack on the U.S. diplomatic mission/CIA facility in Benghazi, Libya. Initially, many conservative Republicans criticized Nuland for her role in providing ambassador to the UN Susan Rice with "talking points" explaining away the failure of the U.S. to protect the compound from an attack that killed U.S. ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other U.S. personnel. All it took was a tap on the shoulder from Nuland's husband Kagan and his influential friends in the neo-con hierarchy for the criticism of his wife to stop. And stop it did as Nuland was confirmed, without Republican opposition, to be the new Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs, a portfolio that gave her a clear mandate to interfere in the domestic policies of Ukraine and other countries, including Russia itself. ..."
"... Although McCain was defeated by Obama in 2008, Kagan's influence was preserved when his wife became a top foreign policy adviser to Obama. The root of this control by neo-cons of the two major U.S. political parties is the powerful Israel Lobby and is the reason why in excess of 95 percent of neo-cons are also committed Zionists. ..."
"... Kagan's writings and pronouncements from Brookings have had a common thread: anti-Vladimir Putin rhetoric and a strong desire to see Ukraine and Georgia in NATO, Bashar al Assad falling in Syria and thus eliminating a Russian ally, no further expansion of Shanghai Cooperation Organization membership and the eventual collapse of the counter-NATO organization, and the destabilization of Russia's southern border region by radical Salafists and Wahhabists funded by Saudi Arabia and Qatar. Qatar, not coincidentally, hosts a Brookings Institution office that advises the Qatari government. ..."
Nuland would survive the controversy over the October 2012 attack on the U.S. diplomatic mission/CIA
facility in Benghazi, Libya. Initially, many conservative Republicans criticized Nuland for her role
in providing ambassador to the UN Susan Rice with "talking points" explaining away the failure of
the U.S. to protect the compound from an attack that killed U.S. ambassador Christopher Stevens and
three other U.S. personnel. All it took was a tap on the shoulder from Nuland's husband Kagan and
his influential friends in the neo-con hierarchy for the criticism of his wife to stop. And stop
it did as Nuland was confirmed, without Republican opposition, to be the new Assistant Secretary
of State for European and Eurasian Affairs, a portfolio that gave her a clear mandate to interfere
in the domestic policies of Ukraine and other countries, including Russia itself.
Kagan began laying the groundwork for his wife's continued presence in a Democratic administration
when, in 2007, he switched sides from the Republicans and aligned with the Democrats. This was in
the waning days of the Bush administration and, true to form, neo-cons, who politically and family-wise
hail from Trotskyite chameleons, saw the opportunity to continue their influence over U.S. foreign
policy.
With the election of Obama in 2008, Kagan was able to maintain a PNAC presence, through his wife,
inside the State Department. Kagan, a co-founder of PNAC, monitors his wife's activities from his
perch at the influential Brookings Institution. And it was no surprise that McCain followed Nuland
to Maidan Square. Kagan was one of McCain's top foreign policy advisers in the 2008 campaign, even
though he publicly switched to the Democrats the year before. Kagan ensured that he kept a foot in
both parties. Although McCain was defeated by Obama in 2008, Kagan's influence was preserved
when his wife became a top foreign policy adviser to Obama. The root of this control by neo-cons
of the two major U.S. political parties is the powerful Israel Lobby and is the reason why in excess
of 95 percent of neo-cons are also committed Zionists.
Kagan's writings and pronouncements from Brookings have had a common thread: anti-Vladimir
Putin rhetoric and a strong desire to see Ukraine and Georgia in NATO, Bashar al Assad falling in
Syria and thus eliminating a Russian ally, no further expansion of Shanghai Cooperation Organization
membership and the eventual collapse of the counter-NATO organization, and the destabilization of
Russia's southern border region by radical Salafists and Wahhabists funded by Saudi Arabia and Qatar.
Qatar, not coincidentally, hosts a Brookings Institution office that advises the Qatari government.
But dominance of U.S. foreign policy does not end with Nuland and her husband. Kagan's brother,
Fred Kagan, is another neo-con foreign policy launderer. Residing at the American Enterprise Institute,
Fred Kagan was an "anti-corruption" adviser to General David Petraeus. Kagan held this job even as
Petraeus was engaged in an extra-marital affair, which he corruptly covered up. Fred Kagan's wife
is Kimberly Kagan. She has been involved in helping to formulate disastrous U.S. policies for the
military occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan. Fred and Kimberly have also worked on U.S. covert operations
to overthrow the government of Iran. No family in the history of the United States, with the possible
exception of John Foster and Allen Dulles, has had more blood on its hands than have the Kagans.
And it is this family that is today helping to ratchet up the Cold War on the streets of Kyiv.
Victoria Nuland is, indeed, the proper "Doughnut Dolly" for the paid George Soros, U.S. Agency
for International Development, National Endowment for Democracy, and Freedom House provocateurs on
Maidan Square. Political prostitutes representing so many causes, from nationalistic Ukrainian fascists
to pro-EU globalists, require a symbol. There is no better symbol for the foreign-made "Orange Revolution
II" than the biscuit-distributing Victoria Nuland.
Her unleavened biscuits have found the hungry mouths of America's "Three Stooges" of ex-boxer
and political opportunist Vitaly Klitschko, globalist Arseny Yatsenyuk, and neo-Nazi Oleg
Tyagnibok.
Wayne MADSEN Investigative journalist, author and syndicated columnist. A member of the Society of Professional
Journalists (SPJ) and the National Press Club
US Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs Vicrotia Nuland was appointed
by Hillary nu the forigh policy is domain of the President, so she executed policy hatched by "Obama
the neocon", who is great admirer of books by Robert Kagan...
Notable quotes:
"... Nuland is a Democrat? Boy they let anybody in. I only ask because she's supposed to be a Bush holdover but maybe worked for the Clintons before that? ..."
"... Nuland started out with Bill Clinton, then moved on to Dick Cheney . She certainly is nimble! ..."
"... Because of her marriage to Kagan, most Europeans believe she's a Republican, but her hawkish approach to Russia isn't entirely unique within the Obama administration. ..."
"... FP professionals don't need no stinkin' party affiliations. They are the other half of the "Double Government" that most voters have never heard of. You know, the half that makes sure foreign policy is consistent from one administration (and party) to the next. Works great! ..."
"... You start out wherever your opportunity lies. Once established you can follow your heart. Where does her heart lead her when Cheney leaves office? Drum roll… Why, it's Hillary! ..."
Following along with his good friend, Republican Robert Kagan (married, in good bipartisan
power couple fashion, to Victoria Nuland, rumored to be inline for Clinton's Secretary of State,
but I don't think so. Not even Clinton could be that crazy).
I can't find a link that makes her party affiliation explicit.
Foreign
Policy :
Because of her marriage to Kagan, most Europeans believe she's a Republican, but her
hawkish approach to Russia isn't entirely unique within the Obama administration.
But FP does not then go on to clarify. I assumed she was a Democrat because of the Clinton
connection. My bad!
FP professionals don't need no stinkin' party affiliations. They are the other half of
the "Double Government" that most voters have never heard of. You know, the half that makes sure
foreign policy is consistent from one administration (and party) to the next. Works great!
You start out wherever your opportunity lies. Once established you can follow your heart.
Where does her heart lead her when Cheney leaves office? Drum roll… Why, it's Hillary!
Hugoodanode?
It's probably bias, but my sense is Republicans love to parade anyone who is Jewish or not
white in front of cameras who can say, "im a Republican" without drooling or dying a little on
the inside. Since Nuland is Jewish, the GOP would have her on their book tour if she was suspected
Republican especially given the GOP obsession with winning Florida Jewish retirees.
"... Interestingly, in a self-promoting recent review of Henry Kissinger's new book World Order, Clinton both defines her own Kissinger-esque foreign policy strategy and also concedes that it is more-or-less the same as Obama's. Clinton wrote that Kissinger's world view "largely fits with the broad strategy behind the Obama administration's effort over the past six years to build a global architecture of security and cooperation for the 21st century." ..."
"... Clinton inevitably confuses leadership with hegemony, clearly believing as one of her predecessors at State put it, that America is the "indispensable nation." Nor can she discern that few outside the beltway actually believe the hype. It would be difficult to make the case that the United States either stands for justice or is willing to tolerate any kind of international order that challenges American interests. ..."
"... Any plan to "destroy" ISIS without serious consideration of what that might entail means that the U.S. will inevitably assume the leadership role. Because air strikes cannot defeat any insurgency, and the moderate Syrian rebels waiting to be armed are a fiction, the Obama plan invites escalation and will make the Islamist group a poster child for those who want to see Washington fail yet again in the Middle East. ..."
"... Yanukovych, an admittedly corrupt autocrat, nevertheless became Prime Minister after a free election. Nuland, who is the Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs at the State Department, provided open support to the Maidan demonstrators opposed to Yanukovych's government, to include media friendly appearances passing out cookies on the square to encourage the protesters. ..."
"... The replacement of the government in Kiev was only the prelude to a sharp break and escalating conflict with Moscow over Russia's attempts to protect its own interests in Ukraine, most particularly in Crimea. ..."
"... And make no mistake about Nuland's broader intention to expand the conflict and directly confront Russia. In Senate testimony in May she cited how the administration is "providing support to other frontline states like Moldova and Georgia." Frontline? Last week Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel seemed to confirm that the continued expansion of NATO is indeed administration policy, saying that Georgia would be next to join in light of "Russia's blatant aggression in Ukraine." ..."
"... The president also reportedly is an admirer of her husband's articles and books which argue that the U.S. must maintain its military power to accommodate its "global responsibilities." So in response to the question "Why does Victoria Nuland still have her job?" the answer must surely be because the White House approves of what she has been doing, which should give everyone pause. ..."
A new administration only gave interventionism a confused, humanitarian face-lift.
President Barack Obama presents something of a dilemma. I voted for him twice in the belief that
he was basically a cautious operator who would not rush into a new war in Asia, unlike his Republican
opponents who virtually promised to attack Iran upon assuming office. Unfortunately, Obama's second
term has revealed that his instinct nevertheless is to rely on America's ability to project military
power overseas as either a complement to or a substitute for diplomacy that differs only from George
W. Bush in its style and its emphasis on humanitarian objectives.
That the president is indeed cautious has made the actual process of engagement different, witness
the ill-fated involvement in Libya and the impending war-without-calling-it-war in Syria and Iraq,
both of which are framed as having limited objectives and manageable risk for Washington even when
that is not the case. Obama's foreign and security policy is an incremental process mired in contradictions
whereby the United States continues to involve itself in conflicts for which it has little understanding,
seemingly doomed to repeat the mistakes of the past thirteen years but without the shock and awe.
Obama's actual intentions might most clearly be discerned by looking at his inner circle. Three
women are prominent in decision making relating to foreign policy: Samantha Power at the United Nations,
Susan Rice heading the National Security Council, and Senior Adviser Valerie Jarrett in the White
House. One might also add Hillary Clinton who, as Secretary of State, operated far more independently
than her successor John Kerry, putting her own stamp on policy much more than he has been able to
do. Where Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel fits into the decision making is unclear, but it is notable
that both he and Kerry frequently appear to be somewhat out of sync with the White House.
What does the Obama team represent? Certain things are obvious. They are hesitant to involve the
United States in long, drawn out military adventures like Iraq and Afghanistan but much more inclined
to intervene than was George W. Bush when there is an apparent humanitarian crisis, operating under
the principle of responsibility to protect or R2P. That R2P is often a pretext for intervention that
actually is driven by other less altruistic motives is certainly a complication but it is nevertheless
the public face of much of American foreign policy, as the nation is currently witnessing regarding
ISIS.
Hillary Clinton has criticized Obama foreign policy because on her view he did not act soon enough
on ISIS and "Great nations need organizing principles, and 'don't do stupid stuff' is not an organizing
principle." Her criticism is odd as she was a formulator of much of what the president has been doing
and one should perhaps assume that her distancing from it might have something to do with her presidential
ambitions. Interestingly, in a self-promoting recent review of Henry Kissinger's new book World Order,
Clinton both defines her own Kissinger-esque foreign policy strategy and also concedes that it is
more-or-less the same as Obama's. Clinton wrote that Kissinger's world view "largely fits with the
broad strategy behind the Obama administration's effort over the past six years to build a global
architecture of security and cooperation for the 21st century."
Now if all of that is true, and it might just be putting lipstick on a pig to create an illusion
of coherency where none exists, then the United States might just be engaging in a sensible reset
of its foreign policy, something like the Nixon Doctrine of old. But the actual policy itself suggests
otherwise, with the tendency to "do stupid stuff" prevailing, perhaps attributable to another Clinton
book review assertion of "a belief in the indispensability of continued American leadership in service
of a just and liberal order."
Clinton inevitably confuses leadership with hegemony, clearly believing as one of her
predecessors at State
put it, that America is the "indispensable nation." Nor can she discern that few outside the beltway
actually believe the hype. It would be difficult to make the case that the United States either stands
for justice or is willing to tolerate any kind of international order that challenges American interests.
And the arrogance that comes with power means that the country's leadership is not often able to
explain what it is doing. Currently, the administration has failed to make any compelling case that
the United States is actually threatened by ISIS beyond purely conjectural "what if" scenarios, suggesting
that the policy is evolving in an ad hoc but risk-averse fashion to create the impression
that something is actually being accomplished. Any plan to "destroy" ISIS without serious consideration
of what that might entail means that the U.S. will inevitably assume the leadership role. Because
air strikes cannot defeat any insurgency, and the moderate Syrian rebels waiting to be armed are
a fiction, the Obama plan invites escalation and will make the Islamist group a poster child for
those who want to see Washington fail yet again in the Middle East.
The tendency to act instead of think might be attributable to fear of appearing weak with
midterm elections approaching, but it might also be due to the persistence of neoconservative national
security views within the administration, which brings us to
Victoria Nuland. Nuland,
many will recall, was the driving force behind efforts to destabilize the Ukrainian government of
President Viktor Yanukovych. Yanukovych, an admittedly corrupt autocrat, nevertheless became
Prime Minister after a free election. Nuland, who is the Assistant Secretary of State for European
and Eurasian Affairs at the State Department, provided open support to the Maidan demonstrators opposed
to Yanukovych's government, to include media friendly appearances
passing out cookies on the square to encourage the protesters.
A Dick Cheney and Hillary
Clinton protégé who is married to leading neocon Robert Kagan, Nuland openly sought regime change
for Ukraine by brazenly supporting
government opponents in spite of the fact that Washington and Kiev had ostensibly friendly relations.
It is hard to imagine that any U.S. administration would tolerate a similar attempt by a foreign
nation to interfere in U.S. domestic politics, particularly if it were backed by a
$5 billion budget,
but Washington has long believed in a global double standard for evaluating its own behavior.
Nuland is most famous for her
foul language when referring to the potential European role in managing the unrest that she and
the National Endowment for Democracy had helped create. To be sure, her aggressive guidance of U.S.
policy in Eurasia is a lot more important than whatever plays out in Syria and Iraq over the remainder
of Obama's time in office in terms of palpable threats to actual American interests. The replacement
of the government in Kiev was only the prelude to a sharp break and escalating conflict with Moscow
over Russia's attempts to protect its own interests in Ukraine, most particularly in Crimea.
Victoria Nuland is playing with fire. Russia, as the only nation with the military capability
to destroy the U.S., is not a sideshow like Saddam Hussein's Iraq. Backing Moscow into a corner with
no way out by using threats and sanctions is not good policy. Washington has many excellent reasons
to maintain a stable relationship with Moscow, including counter-terrorism efforts, and little to
gain from moving in the opposite direction. Russia is not about to reconstitute the Warsaw Pact and
there is no compelling reason to return to a Cold War footing by either arming Ukraine or permitting
it to join the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO).
And make no mistake about Nuland's broader intention to expand the conflict and directly confront
Russia. In Senate testimony in May
she cited how
the administration is "providing support to other frontline states like Moldova and Georgia." Frontline?
Last
week Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel seemed to confirm that the continued expansion of NATO
is indeed administration policy, saying that Georgia would be next to join in light of "Russia's
blatant aggression in Ukraine."
In 2009 President Barack Obama received
the Nobel Peace Prize for "his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and
cooperation between peoples." In retrospect it was all hat and no cattle given the ongoing saga in
Afghanistan, the reduction of a relatively stable Libya to chaos, meddling in Ukraine while simultaneously
threatening Russia, failure to restrain Israel and the creation of an Islamic terror state in the
Arab heartland. Not to mention "pivots" and additional developments in Africa and Asia. It is not
a record to brag about and it certainly does not suggest that the administration is as strategically
agile as Hillary Clinton would like to have one believe.
Victoria Nuland is a career civil servant and cannot easily be fired but she could be removed
from her top-level policy position and sent downstairs to head the mailroom at the State Department.
It would send the message that aggressive democracy promotion is not U.S. policy, but President Obama
has kept her on the job. The president also reportedly is an
admirer of her husband's articles and books which argue that the U.S. must maintain its military
power to accommodate its "global responsibilities." So in response to the question "Why does Victoria
Nuland still have her job?" the answer must surely be because the White House approves of what she
has been doing, which should give everyone pause.
Philip Giraldi, a former CIA officer, is executive director of the Council for the National
Interest.
Something very strange is happening. The great majority of the mainstream western media are "under-reporting"
the quite monumental events affecting one of the most important NATO allies.
In the same time more and more accusations and more concrete ones are coming out of Turkey about
the West supporting the failed coup! Still western media and capitals behave like it is just normal
for leaders and officials of a NATO country to accuse the United States of supporting a coup in their
country!
It is true that Erdogan is not a popular politician in the West and he is considered rather authoritarian.
He made a lot of things to justify this accusation. But the question is they don't like because he
is authoritarian or because he became too "uncontrollable"?
Anyway there is a distance between criticizing a leader (elected by the way) for his authoritarianism
and supporting military coups against him. To impose a military dictatorship in Turkey is hardly
a way to promote "democracy", as it was hardly the repeated wars in the Middle East (USA and France
have just begun a new one against Libya!)
President Erdogan has again accused the West for its attitude towards his country, just one day
after the visit to Turkey of the chief of the US Armed Forces
"... Following the collapse of the Soviet Union and the conclusion of the Cold War (" the end of history ," as Francis Fukuyama, called it), there was no global enemy for America to face down. No big nasty to spur weapons procurement, to justify a huge standing military with hundreds of bases around the world or to pick fights with to allow a president down in the polls to morph into a superhero. ..."
"... Americans are already well-prepared by the old Cold War to see Russia again as an evil empire, and Putin does look the part. The Russians are involved in Syria's civil war, so there is some sense of continuity. A new Cold War with Russia would require America to buy more expensive military hardware, plus discover new areas of Europe, like the Baltic states, to garrison. It might even breathe new life into a North Atlantic Treaty Organization that is confused about its role vis-a-vis terrorism. For politicians, ceaselessly shouting about the Muslim threat has proved to have downsides: It has inflamed many Muslims, perhaps pushing them toward radicalization. In addition, it turns out there are Muslim voters in the United States, and people who respect Muslims. The Kahn family's moving speech to the Democratic National Convention about the death of their soldier son was proof of that. ..."
"... On the other hand, Putin doesn't vote, only a handful of far leftists think he's a good guy, and he can be slapped around in sound bites without risk that he will actually launch a war against the United States. Why, he can even be accused, without penalty, of meddling in our democratic processes. ..."
"... Putin the Thug is a political-military-industrial-complex dream candidate. Expect him to feature heavily in the next administration's foreign policy. ..."
There is a near-certainty in American political speech, going back to the 1980s: When a senior
United States official labels you a thug, trouble follows. "Thug" is the safest go-to word in the
lexicon of
American Exceptionalism.
So, it is with concern that folks are lining up at the mic to call Russian President Vladimir
Putin just that. President Obama called him a "thug,"
as did presidential hopeful Marco Rubio, who added "gangster" for good measure. Republican House
Speaker Paul Ryan's spokesperson found fault with Putin and his whole nation, even adding an adjective:
"Russia is a global menace led by a
DEVIOUS thug." One rarely hears ruffian, hooligan, vandal, hoodlum or villain, but watch out
for thug.
While throwing the term at Putin is tied to the
weak public evidence supposedly linking Russian government hacker(s) to the Democratic National
Committee
computer
breach, there may be larger issues in the background.
It seems the word "thug" is a sort of dog whistle that when blown signals Americans and their
media to psyche up for a new fight. For example:
Secretary of State John Kerry on Syrian President Bashar al-Assad: "A
thug and murderer." Kerry also said, "Daesh [Islamic State] is in fact nothing more than a mixture
of killers, of kidnappers, of criminals, of thugs ..."
Then-President George W. Bush on al Qaeda: "If we let down our guard against this group of thugs,
they will hurt us again." Bush also thought Saddam Hussein was
a thug.
Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders
on Muammar Gaddafi: "Look, everybody understands Gaddafi is a thug and murderer."
Madeleine Albright found thugs in Somalia and the Balkans for the wars of her era as secretary
of state.
But why Putin, and why now? Perhaps what we're seeing is preparation for the next iteration of
America's perpetual state of war.
Following the collapse of the Soviet Union and the conclusion of the Cold War ("the
end of history," as Francis Fukuyama, called it), there was no global enemy for America to face
down. No big nasty to spur weapons procurement, to justify a huge standing military with hundreds
of bases around the world or to pick fights with to allow a president down in the polls to morph
into a superhero.
A lot of people had a lot of power and money in play that demanded some real bad guys. An attempt
was made in the 1980s to make drug lords the new major threat, but they were too few in number to
sustain the media campaign. Following 9/11, the bad guys were "the terrorists." The George W. Bush
administration riffed off that theme in appointing Saddam Hussein as a weapons-of-mass-destruction
threat and in tagging Iran and North Korea as members of an "axis of evil."
Saddam Hussein turned out to be a bust, and the war in Iraq was ultimately very unpopular. Osama
bin Laden never launched a second attack on the United States, and the Taliban were dragged down
by a war that seemed to lose its focus after 15 years. Iran and North Korea make a lot of noise but
never seemed able to do real harm to America. The United States made a good-faith effort trying to
label all sorts of others – Gaddafi, Assad, Islamic State – as global enemies worthy of perpetual
war, but the Middle East in general has turned into a quagmire. America likes a winner, or at least
the appearance of winning.
Ahead of the next administration, Washington really needs an arch enemy, a poster-child kind of
guy who looks like a James Bond villain. And preferably one with nuclear weapons he'll brandish but
never use.
Enter Putin the Thug.
Americans are already well-prepared by the old Cold War to see Russia again as an evil empire,
and Putin does look the part. The Russians are involved in Syria's civil war, so there is some sense
of continuity. A new Cold War with Russia would require America to buy more expensive military hardware,
plus discover new areas of Europe, like the Baltic states, to garrison. It might even breathe new
life into a North Atlantic Treaty Organization that is confused about its role vis-a-vis terrorism.
For politicians, ceaselessly shouting about the Muslim threat has proved to have downsides: It
has inflamed many Muslims, perhaps pushing them toward radicalization. In addition, it turns out
there are Muslim voters in the United States, and people who respect Muslims. The Kahn family's moving
speech to the Democratic National Convention about the death of their soldier son was proof of that.
On the other hand, Putin doesn't vote, only a handful of far leftists think he's a good guy,
and he can be slapped around in sound bites without risk that he will actually launch a war against
the United States. Why, he can even be accused, without penalty, of meddling in our democratic processes.
Putin the Thug is a political-military-industrial-complex dream candidate. Expect him to feature
heavily in the next administration's foreign policy.
Peter Van Buren, who served in the State Department for 24 years, is the author of "We Meant
Well: How I Helped Lose the Battle for the Hearts and Minds of the Iraqi People," a look at the waste
and mismanagement of the Iraqi reconstruction. His latest book is "Ghosts of Tom Joad: A Story of
the #99 Percent." He is on Twitter @WeMeantWell
A very important, informative interview. Outlines complexity of challenges of modern society and
the real power of "alphabet agencies" in the modern societies (not only in the USA) pretty
vividly. You need to listen to it several times to understand better the current environment.
Very sloppy security was the immanent feature both of Hillary "bathroom" server and DNC emails hacks.
So there probably were multiple parties that has access to those data not a single one (anti Russian
hysteria presumes that the only party are Russian and that's silly; what about China, Iran and
Israel?).
Russian government would not use a "known attack" as they would immediately be traced back.
Anything, any communications that goes over the network are totally. 100% exposed to NSA data
collection infrastructure. Clinton email messages are not exception. NSA does have
information on them, including all envelopes (the body of the message might be encrypted and that's
slightly complicate the matter, but there is no signs that Clinton of DNC used encryption of them)
NSA has the technical capabilities to trace the data back and they most probably have most if not
all of deleted mail. The "total surveillance", the total data mailing used by NSA definitely includes
the mail envelopes which makes possible to enumerate all the missing mails.
Notable quotes:
"... The National Security Agency (NSA) has "all" of Hillary Clinton's deleted emails and the FBI could gain access to them if they so desired, William Binney, a former highly placed NSA official, declared in a radio interview broadcast on Sunday. ..."
"... Binney referenced testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee in March 2011 by then-FBI Director Robert S. Mueller in which Meuller spoke of the FBI's ability to access various secretive databases "to track down known and suspected terrorists." ..."
"... "Now what he (Mueller) is talking about is going into the NSA database, which is shown of course in the (Edward) Snowden material released, which shows a direct access into the NSA database by the FBI and the CIA Which there is no oversight of by the way. So that means that NSA and a number of agencies in the U.S. government also have those emails." ..."
"... Listen to the full interview here: ... ..."
"... And the other point is that Hillary, according to an article published by the Observer ..."
The National Security Agency (NSA) has "all" of Hillary Clinton's deleted emails and the FBI
could gain access to them if they so desired, William Binney, a former highly placed NSA official,
declared in a radio interview broadcast on Sunday.
Speaking as an analyst, Binney raised the possibility that the hack of the Democratic National
Committee's server was done not by Russia but by a disgruntled U.S. intelligence worker concerned
about Clinton's compromise of national security secrets via her personal email use.
Binney was an architect of the NSA's surveillance program. He became a famed whistleblower when
he resigned on October 31, 2001, after spending more than 30 years with the agency.
He was speaking on this reporter's Sunday radio program, "Aaron
Klein Investigative Radio," broadcast on New York's AM 970 The Answer and Philadelphia's NewsTalk
990 AM.
Binney referenced
testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee in March 2011 by then-FBI Director Robert S.
Mueller in which Meuller spoke of the FBI's ability to access various secretive databases "to track
down known and suspected terrorists."
Stated Binney:
"Now what he (Mueller) is talking about is going into the NSA database, which is shown
of course in the (Edward) Snowden material released, which shows a direct access into the NSA
database by the FBI and the CIA Which there is no oversight of by the way. So that means that
NSA and a number of agencies in the U.S. government also have those emails."
"So if the FBI really wanted them they can go into that database and get them right now," he stated
of Clinton's emails as well as DNC emails.
Asked point blank if he believed the NSA has copies of "all" of Clinton's emails, including the
deleted correspondence, Binney replied in the affirmative.
"Yes," he responded. "That would be my point. They have them all and the FBI can get them right
there."
Listen to the full interview here: ...
Binney surmised that the hack of the DNC could have been coordinated by someone inside the U.S.
intelligence community angry over Clinton's compromise of national security data with her email use.
And the other point is that Hillary, according to an
article published
by the Observer in March of this year, has a problem with NSA because she compromised Gamma
material. Now that is the most sensitive material at NSA. And so there were a number of NSA
officials complaining to the press or to the people who wrote the article that she did that. She
lifted the material that was in her emails directly out of Gamma reporting. That is a direct compromise
of the most sensitive material at the NSA. So she's got a real problem there. So there are many
people who have problems with what she has done in the past. So I don't necessarily look at the Russians
as the only one(s) who got into those emails.
The Observer defined the GAMMA classification:
GAMMA compartment, which is an NSA handling caveat that is applied to extraordinarily sensitive
information (for instance, decrypted conversations between top foreign leadership, as this was).
Aaron Klein is Breitbart's Jerusalem bureau chief and senior investigative reporter. He
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"... The EU has been jerking Turkey around forever about joining the EU. They clearly intend not to let a Muslim country join but keep pretending they might as a key NATO ally. ..."
"... Merely assuming an official posture of neutrality, as Nasser famously did, would be a big setback for the US and a big gain for Russia ..."
"... The fact that the heads of NATO and the US government, along with their "brain trusts" get so panicky about a possible warming of relations between Russia and Turkey is ridiculous. These asshats have been behaving all along as if the Soviet Union never fell and that Russia is the same thing it was while the heart of the USSR. ..."
"... NATO gets aggressive and spreads itself all over Eastern Europe with the intention of kicking the Bear and then gets its panties in a twist when the Bear, quite reasonably, reacts to their aggressive actions. ..."
"... I literally cannot think of a single thing that Russia has done since the end of the Soviet Union that in any way, shape, or form alarms me or makes me think, "These guys are planning to invade or start a war!" ..."
"... US aggression in Syria HAD to be responded to by Russia. Russia has LONG time major military bases in Syria. How would the US respond if Russia turned the UAE into a chaotic shithole in order to try and kick the US out of its HUGE military bases there? The initiating of chaos would be the aggressive act, NOT the US response to the chaos. The generating of massive chaos in Syria (by the US and its allies) was the aggressive act, NOT Russia's quite reasonable and understandable reaction. Same goes for Ukraine. ..."
"... The US is bound and determined to FORCE Russia to be a major foe for Cold War 2.0 whether Russia wants to be or not. The US cannot see any other way to drive its shitty economic system than to fire up the defense industries to full throttle again, ala Cold War 1.0. Instead of dumping the military economic basis to the US and Western economies to focus on truly beneficial development, they are going with the boogieman…both for the economic shot it will provide, but also in an attempt to quell unrest due to income inequality and the rape/pillage economic system of the West. Make the people afraid of being invaded or nuked into oblivion and they wont complain about no more retirement, inability to buy a decent home, or send their kids to college. ..."
"... If the first Presidents Bush and Clinton had attempted conversion and used some crumbs to mitigate the Soviet collapse, instead of unleashing the worst pack of intellectual sophists, strategists, and black market dregs, then Russia today would probably be neatly colonized into an international system, but after the violent class conflict of decolonization during the Cold War a new world order that appeared like Gore Vidal's semi-sarcastic paradigm-shattering essay in the Nation would prematurely speed up de-colonization with "white privilege" too uncamouflaged: ..."
"... Thank you. I have been wondering about the relationship between the Gulen movement and the CIA that relationship might shed light about whether the US was involved in or pushed or green lighted the coup. Of course, CIA assets have been known to go rogue as well. ..."
"... While exploring this subject, there's a good article and talk given by a career CIA case officer (undercover) who now works for a think tank of some sort. (So I assume she's still with the CIA, even if supposedly she's not.) Her book describes the extent of the Gulen network, including the criminal investigations underway for Gulen's charter schools network. (Did you know Gulen has the largest network of charter schools in the USA?!) This presentation implicitly acknowledged the dangerous / illegal aspects to the Gulen movement. ..."
"... But at a higher, strategic level, CIA seems to be obviously harboring and supporting Gulen, as Edmonds says. ..."
"... Edmonds has also done some amazing work regarding Hastert's pedophile connections–reported this formally to US law agencies in multiple years, and was interviewed for a triple-fact-checked Vanity Fair article. The FBI agents who were doing the investigating (knowing about Hastert's pedophilia 10-20 years ago) thought they were preparing for a criminal investigation. They became disillusioned when they realized after a couple of years that their FBI higher-ups had no intention of prosecuting. Apparently the issue is so widespread, and everyone knows–Edmonds describes a certain palace in Turkey where US Congress members get taken on VIP trips, where the VIP suites were being monitored / videotapes simultaneously by FBI, DIA, DoJ, criminal gangs, and foreign governments. Yet when most recently Hastert comes to public attention, all the known pedophile activities are not mentioned, just the financial money-laundering aspects. Because so many of our officials & media & prominent people have been compromised by pedophilia that no one is willing to speak out about it. ..."
"... Whistleblower Sibel Edmonds has a number of insightful video interviews and papers about Turkey. She predicted the coup about 18 months ago–pointing out that the CIA was preparing to replace Erdogan, and showing the pattern with other regime changes with USA involvement. Both the recent and past interviews give a lot of insight–e.g., into Gulen's CIA-backed financial, cultural and political empire spanning Turkey, Turkik-friendly caucasus countries and deeply embedded within the USA and Congress. ..."
"... For background on Sibel Edmonds, a short 2006 documentary "Kill the Messenger" about her whistleblowing while an FBI translator is a good starting point. ..."
"... Ever wondered why Russia hasn't attempted to internally overthrow any of the Gulf States or Saudi Arabia since the Iraqi invasion? They are definitely fragile, internally vulnerable states and closely aligned with the west. Two can definitely play these color revolution games. I suspect it is due to the vulnerability of their own, Russian, populations and increased Middle east instability could produce blowback in Russia proper. However the US and allies have been playing hard this game of disrupting Middle East stability for the last 13 years. At what point, would the Russians decide, well, Middle East stability is already gone and it is time to strike back at US allies using our own tactics? Personally, I think Putin is too smart for that but what about after Putin? ..."
"... Russia's historical ties were with the Byzantine Empire, with which it shared – after the 9th century A.D. – a crucial common feature, viz. Orthodoxy. The center of Orthodoxy was of course Constantinople, with which the Russian Archbishopric and later, Patriarchate, experienced complicated relations. Upon the fall of Constantinople to the Ottoman Turks in 1453, and the loss of Constantinople to Orthodoxy, Russia envisioned its own capital, Moscow, as taking up the mantle and succeeding Constantinople (the "Second Rome") as Christendom's "Third Rome". The title conflates the relationship between the two countries/empires in the Byzantine period with that during the Ottoman period (i.e., the [Sublime] "Porte"). ..."
"... But for non-U.S. citizens and U.S. citizens who live near the world's hottest geopolitical hotspot, the prospect of Victoria Nuland (of Ukraine regime change fame) as SoS is not at all a happy one. ..."
It's rather improbable to see a Russo-Turkish alliance against US and NATO. The US and the
Russians have probably already agreed on the new Middle East map which includes Kurdish state.
This explains to a great extent why Erdogan is so nervous, making sloppy and dangerous moves.
Um, given reports that the Turks
briefly closed the airbase that the US uses to conduct operations in Syria over the weekend,
Erdogan seems plenty pissed with the US for not turning over Gulen, as he has repeatedly requested.
Europe has agreed to give him only 3 billion euros to halt the refugee flow into Europe, which
is hardly adequate, and a vague promise that maybe the EU will give Turks the freedom of movement
too. The EU has been jerking Turkey around forever about joining the EU. They clearly intend
not to let a Muslim country join but keep pretending they might as a key NATO ally.
Merely assuming an official posture of neutrality, as Nasser famously did, would be a big
setback for the US and a big gain for Russia
Thanks for mentioning the Real News Network fundraiser, Yves. They have a dollar-for-dollar
matching grant going on as well, doubling the impact of every donation.
The fact that the heads of NATO and the US government, along with their "brain trusts"
get so panicky about a possible warming of relations between Russia and Turkey is ridiculous.
These asshats have been behaving all along as if the Soviet Union never fell and that Russia is
the same thing it was while the heart of the USSR.
They take it on faith that the US/West and Russia MUST be at odds, no matter what, to the point
that they create out of whole cloth conflicts where none existed before. NATO gets aggressive
and spreads itself all over Eastern Europe with the intention of kicking the Bear and then gets
its panties in a twist when the Bear, quite reasonably, reacts to their aggressive actions.
Personally, I couldn't care less if Turkey and Russia get kissy-faced with each other. Big
wup. Russia is NOT preparing to invade Western Europe (as much as NATO WISHES it were). Russia
is NOT invading countries and overthrowing their governments to install puppet regimes, that's
the USA and NATO ONLY. The West transgresses, grossly, again and again and when Russia coughs
or clears its throat in opposition, it is "RUSSIAN AGGRESSION! Yaaaa! The Russians are coming!
The Russians are coming!!!!"
I literally cannot think of a single thing that Russia has done since the end of the Soviet
Union that in any way, shape, or form alarms me or makes me think, "These guys are planning to
invade or start a war!" On the other hand, I've seen nothing BUT war starting by the West.
First NATO takes something that wasn't, in all actuality, THAT bad a situation (the breakup of
Yugoslavia) and turns it into a complete hell in Europe.
US aggression in Syria HAD to be responded to by Russia. Russia has LONG time major military
bases in Syria. How would the US respond if Russia turned the UAE into a chaotic shithole in order
to try and kick the US out of its HUGE military bases there? The initiating of chaos would be
the aggressive act, NOT the US response to the chaos. The generating of massive chaos in Syria
(by the US and its allies) was the aggressive act, NOT Russia's quite reasonable and understandable
reaction. Same goes for Ukraine.
The US is bound and determined to FORCE Russia to be a major foe for Cold War 2.0 whether
Russia wants to be or not. The US cannot see any other way to drive its shitty economic system
than to fire up the defense industries to full throttle again, ala Cold War 1.0. Instead of dumping
the military economic basis to the US and Western economies to focus on truly beneficial development,
they are going with the boogieman…both for the economic shot it will provide, but also in an attempt
to quell unrest due to income inequality and the rape/pillage economic system of the West. Make
the people afraid of being invaded or nuked into oblivion and they wont complain about no more
retirement, inability to buy a decent home, or send their kids to college.
If the first Presidents Bush and Clinton had attempted conversion and used some crumbs
to mitigate the Soviet collapse, instead of unleashing the worst pack of intellectual sophists,
strategists, and black market dregs, then Russia today would probably be neatly colonized into
an international system, but after the violent class conflict of decolonization during the Cold
War a new world order that appeared like Gore Vidal's semi-sarcastic paradigm-shattering essay
in the Nation would prematurely speed up de-colonization with "white privilege" too uncamouflaged:
There is now only one way out. The time has come for the United States to make
common cause with the Soviet Union. The bringing together of the Soviet landmass (with all
its natural resources) and our island empire (with all its technological resources) would be
of great benefit to each society, not to mention the world. Also, to recall the wisdom of the
Four Horsemen who gave us our empire, the Soviet Union and our section of North America combined
would be a match, industrially and technologically, for the Sino-Japanese axis that will dominate
the future just as Japan dominates world trade today. But where the horsemen thought of war
as the supreme solvent, we now know that war is worse than useless. Therefore, the alliance
of the two great powers of the Northern Hemisphere will double the strength of each and give
us, working together, an opportunity to survive, economically, in a highly centralized Asiatic
world.
Rereading this it sacrifices coherence to venting. The premise is that historical contiguity
with the racial residues of empire could be confronted or not if they were more simply transparent.
The bigger point I wanted to make is the current demographic disaster may be intentional if
one looks at the recent Russian experience as an experiment. Broken Force? Then social pressure
through thwarting the traditional modes of reproduction of labor leading to a reinvigorated military
economy in 15 years.
Yeah the whole "soviet threat" issue vanished the day Stalin passed. But i fear that the US,
and thus NATO, needed it to maintain compliance within their own nations.
And thus the threat was stoked until the 90s, then it was eased back as they thought they had
the old bear chained down while Yeltsin was in office, only for their antics to cause a blowback
that is still ongoing once Putin took over.
Last week I got curious to have a better understanding of the Turkey situation than what I
was getting from MSM. I decided to see if Sibel Edmonds had spoken up–and discovered that she
predicted this coup 18 months ago.
The "BellingTheCat" website with WhatsApp translated messages of Turkish military during the
coup, which Helmers also mentions,
are here . Helmers says this website is a NATO-sponsored website and that it is not always
trustworthy, but isn't sure in this case. Edmonds doesn't mention this website being linked to
NATO.
For background on Edmonds see "
Kill the Messenger ",
a 2006 documentary about her whistleblowing within the FBI.
Thank you. I have been wondering about the relationship between the Gulen movement and
the CIA that relationship might shed light about whether the US was involved in or pushed or
green lighted the coup. Of course, CIA assets have been known to go rogue as well.
While exploring this subject, there's a good article and talk given by a career CIA case
officer (undercover) who now works for a think tank of some sort. (So I assume she's still with
the CIA, even if supposedly she's not.) Her book describes the extent of the Gulen network, including
the criminal investigations underway for Gulen's charter schools network. (Did you know Gulen
has the largest network of charter schools in the USA?!) This presentation implicitly acknowledged
the dangerous / illegal aspects to the Gulen movement.
But at a higher, strategic level, CIA seems to be obviously harboring and supporting Gulen,
as Edmonds says.
Within the CIA there are therefore different angles / understandings / strategies. The upper
echelon strategy seems to be about supporting Gulen (including helping clandestinely Gulen–or
his puppet-master(s)–to effect regime change). LIHOP is too weak an argument, given the kind of
support Gulen receives from his USA base. Probably he's just a figurehead and the real power is
out of view. (USA? Off-world?)
Edmonds has also done some amazing work regarding Hastert's pedophile connections–reported
this formally to US law agencies in multiple years, and was interviewed for a triple-fact-checked
Vanity Fair article. The FBI agents who were doing the investigating (knowing about Hastert's
pedophilia 10-20 years ago) thought they were preparing for a criminal investigation. They became
disillusioned when they realized after a couple of years that their FBI higher-ups had no intention
of prosecuting. Apparently the issue is so widespread, and everyone knows–Edmonds describes a
certain palace in Turkey where US Congress members get taken on VIP trips, where the VIP suites
were being monitored / videotapes simultaneously by FBI, DIA, DoJ, criminal gangs, and foreign
governments. Yet when most recently Hastert comes to public attention, all the known pedophile
activities are not mentioned, just the financial money-laundering aspects. Because so many of
our officials & media & prominent people have been compromised by pedophilia that no one is willing
to speak out about it.
Whistleblower Sibel Edmonds has a number of insightful video interviews and papers about
Turkey. She predicted the coup about 18 months ago–pointing out that the CIA was preparing to
replace Erdogan, and showing the pattern with other regime changes with USA involvement. Both
the recent and past interviews give a lot of insight–e.g., into Gulen's CIA-backed financial,
cultural and political empire spanning Turkey, Turkik-friendly caucasus countries and deeply embedded
within the USA and Congress.
A longer post with a number of links has been sidetracked to moderation. In case it disappears
I'm posting this short comment.
For background on Sibel Edmonds, a short 2006 documentary "Kill the Messenger" about her
whistleblowing while an FBI translator is a good starting point.
How would the US respond if Russia turned the UAE into a chaotic shithole in order to
try and kick the US out of its HUGE military bases there?
Ever wondered why Russia hasn't attempted to internally overthrow any of the Gulf States
or Saudi Arabia since the Iraqi invasion? They are definitely fragile, internally vulnerable states
and closely aligned with the west. Two can definitely play these color revolution games. I suspect
it is due to the vulnerability of their own, Russian, populations and increased Middle east instability
could produce blowback in Russia proper. However the US and allies have been playing hard this
game of disrupting Middle East stability for the last 13 years. At what point, would the Russians
decide, well, Middle East stability is already gone and it is time to strike back at US allies
using our own tactics? Personally, I think Putin is too smart for that but what about after Putin?
This thread seems to have petered out rather early on, not sure how much to add.
For those (if anyone is still out there) interested, Pat Lang's site SST has been posting regularly
on Turkey, and he has commenters from the region and who are knowledgeable about ME/NE military
and political affairs.
I had read the John Helmer piece on his blog when it was first posted, and forwarded it to
a friend who's similar in many respects to Lang (career military officer, now retired; author
of historical studies and books; keen student of the Eastern Mediterranean, Turkey, Cyprus, the
Balkans) except that he's Greek.
In return he sent me a link to his own latest two pieces on a Greek blog. One discusses the
"coup" in considerable detail. Some random factoids I picked up on, in no particular order or
hierarchy:
-Russia is not interested in regime change in Turkey at the moment;
-Russia is very interested in maintaining its buffer zone (called "The Rimland" by the
late Nicholas Spykman, a geopolitics theoretician), of which Turkey forms perhaps the key part
(historically, and now);
-Russia turned the shooting down of that SU 24 into an opportunity to install S400s or
possibly, S500s, in Syria;
-The current situation in Syria is more or less a proxy war between the U.S. and Russia;
-Russia has recently become very active in the so-called "Northern Corridor" (aka, the
Arctic Circle), something most analysts forget;
-By 2020, Russia will be 100% self-sufficient in food production;
-It is likely that Russian surveillance technology picked up the news of the impending
coup and informed Erdogan of it;
-The presence of nuclear weapons at Incirlik is in violation of Article 2 of the 1975 Nuclear
Non-Proliferation Treaty.
-Russia wants/needs a "southern corridor" to move LNG to the Med. Turkey is in the right
geographic location to serve this purpose.
The historical relationship between Turkey and Russia comes out a bit garbled in Helmer's (original
post) title, i.e. "The New Byzantine Alliance: The Kremlin and the Porte," etc.
Russia's historical ties were with the Byzantine Empire, with which it shared – after the
9th century A.D. – a crucial common feature, viz. Orthodoxy. The center of Orthodoxy was of course
Constantinople, with which the Russian Archbishopric and later, Patriarchate, experienced complicated
relations. Upon the fall of Constantinople to the Ottoman Turks in 1453, and the loss of Constantinople
to Orthodoxy, Russia envisioned its own capital, Moscow, as taking up the mantle and succeeding
Constantinople (the "Second Rome") as Christendom's "Third Rome". The title conflates the relationship
between the two countries/empires in the Byzantine period with that during the Ottoman period
(i.e., the [Sublime] "Porte").
Short version: when you start messing around in somebody else's backyard, trouble ensues.
The 2016 election offers voters two rather stark choices. Another blog I read, LGM, recently
had a comment on a thread about Trump-Clinton (there are so many, one loses count) that laid out
why voters are choosing one or the other candidate very neatly. If one is in the U.S. and is relatively
or very well-off, the Democrats' championing (qualified, I would say) of identity politics looks
pretty good, or at least, not as bad as the Republicans' (I'm still aghast at how black voters
are so staunchly supportive of someone whose husband shoved TANF through in place of AFDC, but
hey). But for non-U.S. citizens and U.S. citizens who live near the world's hottest geopolitical
hotspot, the prospect of Victoria Nuland (of Ukraine regime change fame) as SoS is not at all
a happy one.
"... This is how these fucks build their cases, it's just like the massive disinformation about everything Ukraine. If you pick it apart and study each case of a "fake" or whatever, most (if not all) of it suddenly seems less insidious and more sensible, in the light of medias being medias, people being people, bad translations being bad translations and what not. Heck, a lot of the "fakes" are actually fakes by the alleged fake-spottters. Anyway, that's why the tsunami approach is being used, just a torrent of stuff that nobody will bother picking apart as you have no choice but to submit to the sheer volume of it. ..."
"... Or take the Sochi Olympics. Total tsunami there as well, by the time false assertion #1 had been debunked by some brave soul there were 300 other assertions stacked on top. Or anything Russia in general, it doesn't matter, it's the same crap all over. ..."
"... Oh, and one last observation. The Russia disinformation tsunami approach reminds me of something very similar, namely tin foil hats peddling alien conspiracies and so on. They typically set out with their minds made up and then present "evidence" A, B, C. Once these have been debunked, they go "fine, but what about D, E, F" all the way to Z. Once that's been exhausted they jump all the way back to A, B, C as if nothing's happened at all, though this way around they typically attempt to overwhelm by referencing D-Z from the get go. Good god, it's depressing. ..."
I've been finding a lot of these things being forwarded on Twitter etc:
I find it rather amazing, actually. Russian media is being accused of "fakes" and "lies" when
the reality is that they're almost always quoting Western media in verbatim on all these things.
In this particular case, Swedish media reported a "powerful explosion, possibly several",
and "a man holding a gun-like object" and "police has been called to the scene" and so on. Yep, that
they did. Since it was in the central parts of the capital and all these things gave the impression
something big could be brewing, international media quickly went nuts with it as well:
The Russians followed suit, naturally. Now, soon thereafter it turned out to be a case of overblown
hysteria and the story quickly died out following that, with all media issuing retractions, including
Russian dito.
But, quelle surprise – it's obviously yet another "Russia fake".
This is how these fucks build their cases, it's just like the massive disinformation about everything
Ukraine. If you pick it apart and study each case of a "fake" or whatever, most (if not all) of it
suddenly seems less insidious and more sensible, in the light of medias being medias, people being
people, bad translations being bad translations and what not. Heck, a lot of the "fakes" are actually
fakes by the alleged fake-spottters. Anyway, that's why the tsunami approach is being used,
just a torrent of stuff that nobody will bother picking apart as you have no choice but to submit
to the sheer volume of it.
Or take the Sochi Olympics. Total tsunami there as well, by the time false assertion #1 had been
debunked by some brave soul there were 300 other assertions stacked on top. Or anything Russia
in general, it doesn't matter, it's the same crap all over.
Also, regarding the above "Russia fake" – just to further prove what bullshit this is, this is
what Sweden's most-read news site wrote at the time it had just occurred: http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article21715154.ab
" A powerful detonation was heard on Södermalm in Stockholm at lunch time.
Police arrived on site with several patrols and the street was cordoned off.
– We don't know what has happened , says Albin Näverberg of the Stockholm police.
The blast, that witnesses describe as being powerful , was heard at 11:40 AM near
Brännkyrkagatan on Södermalm. The street was cordoned off. A large police force was called to
the site. Rescue services were there as well."
"Rescue services" meaning firefighters and/or paramedics. Clearly everybody thought some shit
had gone down and there were multiple emergency vehicles, cordons and so on.
Oh, and one last observation. The Russia disinformation tsunami approach reminds me of something
very similar, namely tin foil hats peddling alien conspiracies and so on. They typically set out
with their minds made up and then present "evidence" A, B, C. Once these have been debunked, they
go "fine, but what about D, E, F" all the way to Z. Once that's been exhausted they jump all the
way back to A, B, C as if nothing's happened at all, though this way around they typically attempt
to overwhelm by referencing D-Z from the get go. Good god, it's depressing.
(Washington, DC 7/25) As I was idly wondering what Vladimir Putin would say about the DNC
email scandals, I received a call from Vladimir Putin himself. He said he wanted to talk about
the Wikileaks release of DNC emails. When I asked why he picked me to contact, he said "I
probably strarted at the wrong end of the list" and laughed heartily.
MC:
President Putin, did the Russian government hack the DNC email server and then publically
release those emails through Wikileaks the day before the Democratic convention?
Putin:
Yes.
MC:
Yes! Are you serious?
Putin
: I'm quite serious.
MC:
How can you justify this open meddling in United States politics?
Putin:
Your question should be what took Russia so long. The US oligarchs and their minions
surround us with military bases and nuclear missiles, damage our trade to Europe, and seek to
destabilize our domestic politics. These emails are nothing in the big picture. But they're sort
of funny, don't you agree?
MC:
I'm not sure that funny is the right word. What do you mean by that?
Putin:
You've got Hillary Clinton running as a strong and independent woman. Of course,
nobody would know who she is had she not married Bill Clinton. She's not independent. Quite the
contrary. She had to marry a philandering redneck to get to where she is. When it comes to
strength, I can say only this. How strong can you be if you have to cheat and create a rigged
game to win the nomination?
MC:
Anything else about your leak to cheer us up?
Putin:
This situation is the epitome of ironic humor. After the emails were released, the
focus was all on DNC Chair and Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman-Schultz. That's fine for now but
what happens when people start asking why Wasserman-Schultz had the DNC screw Sanders and boost
Hillary? Did she just wake up one day and decide this on her own?. Not likely. She was and
remains Hillary's agent. It will take people a while to arrive that answer. When enough people
hear about Wasserman-Schultz's key role in the Clinton campaign, everything will be clear. It's
adios Hillary. That inevitable conclusion, by the way, is the reason the DNC made such a big deal
about Russia hacking the DNC. That was diversion one right out of the gate.
MC:
Is Russia an equal opportunity hacker? What about the Trump campaign?
Putin:
Why not? I hear there are some very rather graphic home movies and videos of Mr. Trump
with some interesting playmates. But that can wait. Enjoy Hillary's hypocrisy to the fullest.
When it comes to either candidate, my only advice is
let the buyer beware
.
That was it for my time with the man. I'd like to think it was Putin. Even if it wasn't, this
is what I suspect Putin would say.
Why those unknown forces (probably a disgruntled insider) leaked this bombshell so late. At this
point it does not affect Sanders chances to beat Hillary.
Notable quotes:
"... "The same people on the Clinton team who made enormous efforts to claim her private email server-which operated unencrypted over the Internet for three months, including during trips to China and Russia, and which contained top-secret national-security data-was not hacked by the Russians now are certain that the DNC server was hacked by the Russians" http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/unpacking-the-dnc-emails/ ..."
"... The British government has learned that Vladimir Putin recently sought significant quantities of malware from Africa. ..."
"... Well, golly, if you're going to create a bright, shiny object to distract people from the actual content of the e-mails, why not blame little green men from Mars? I mean, seriously, isn't what this is all about – deflecting away from what the DNC was up to, so as to keep as much of it as possible from further tarnishing the already-clouded view of both the process and the major candidate whom it benefited? ..."
"... And in addition to this little bit of obviousness, how can it possible have escaped anyone with a functioning brain that this escalating hysteria about the DNC hack was noticeably absent with respect to Clinton's own email operation? ..."
"... I also find it deeply and almost-hilariously ironic that we're all supposed to be livid at the idea of some foreign government trying to manipulate the US elections when not only is the Democratic Party's flagship organization flagrantly engaged in trying to manipulate the outcome, but the AMERICAN MEDIA wouldn't know what to do with itself if it wasn't constantly fking around with the entire process. ..."
"... Looks like another false flag propaganda ploy. The Obama Admin flares up with phony indignation and immediately swears there will be more sanctions. The FBI wants to prosecute ( or is it persecute) the messenger instead of investigating the real crimes. The e-mails and their contents are real. The noise is to cover up this fact! ..."
"... The CNN poll in yesterday's Links shows Trump beats Hillary by huge margins (12 points) on the economy and terrorism. She beats him on foreign policy (and nothing else). Dragging in Russian hackers and foreign intelligence services plays to her strength. ..."
"... In reality, politically motivated attacks like this are almost always domestic in origin. To go to Wikileaks specifically I expect an inside whistleblower is responsible. The same thing happened to Sony and the Swiss banks. Elites simply don't understand how many people they work with are disgusted by their policies. To them this is a perfectly believable thing. ..."
"... It reminds me very much of the French Fries to Freedom Fries movement. If you have a critical mass of people in on the fun, it can work, at least for a time. But what happens when most people don't care about being excommunicated from the DNC Serious People List? ..."
"... Obvious clues pointing back at a known adversary…strategically-timed leaks from anonymous intelligence sources…vague statements on the record from the President and other high-level officials…stories fed to sympathetic media outlets…yep, sounds a lot like the playbook used by the Bush White House for the run-up to the Iraq War. Except there's no way that the Democrats would ever ..."
"... No matter who is responsible for the hack, I'm just glad that the information about the DNC corruption is out in the open. I'm disappointed that this didn't happen before June 7, when California, New Jersey, and several other states had their primaries. Better late than never, I guess. ..."
"... why hadn't our press revealed this? ..."
"... It's now so routine to spin-doctor aggressively that the elites have lost any sense of whether what they are saying is credible or not. ..."
"... I thought Trump's comments today about wanting the Russians to find Hillary's emails were genius. He fans the flames of this whole Russia-Putin thing on day 3 of the Dem convention and what are the media outlets talking about? Plus, Hillary's campaign, in it's rebuttal to Trump, is indirectly reminding everyone that her homebrew server was putting national security at risk. ..."
Washington's Blog asked the highest-level NSA whistleblower in history, William Binney – the NSA
executive who created the agency's mass surveillance program for digital information, who served
as the senior technical director within the agency, who managed six thousand NSA employees, the 36-year
NSA veteran widely regarded as a "legend" within the agency and the NSA's best-ever analyst and code-breaker,
who mapped out the Soviet command-and-control structure before anyone else knew how, and so predicted
Soviet invasions before they happened ("in the 1970s, he decrypted the Soviet Union's command system,
which provided the US and its allies with real-time surveillance of all Soviet troop movements and
Russian atomic weapons") – what he thinks of such claims:
Edward Snowden says the NSA could easily determine who hacked Hillary Clinton's emails:
Evidence that could publicly attribute responsibility for the DNC hack certainly exists
at #NSA , but DNI traditionally
objects to sharing.
The mainstream media is also trumpeting the meme that Russia was behind the hack, because it
wants to help Trump get elected. In other words, the media is trying to deflect how damaging the
email leaks are to Clinton's character by trying to somehow associate Trump with Putin. See e.g.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/26/us/politics/kremlin-donald-trump-vladimir-putin.html
Who's right?
Binney responded:
Snowden is right and the MSM is clueless. Here's what I said to Ray McGovern and VIPS with
a little humor at the end. [McGovern is a 27-year CIA veteran, who chaired National Intelligence
Estimates and personally delivered intelligence briefings to Presidents Ronald Reagan and George
H.W. Bush, their Vice Presidents, Secretaries of State, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and many other
senior government officials. McGovern is co-founder of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for
Sanity ("VIPS" for short).]
Ray, I am suspicious that they may have looked for known hacking code (used by Russians). And,
I'm sure they were one probably of many to hack her stuff. But, does that mean that they checked
to see if others also hacked in?
Further, do they have evidence that the Russians downloaded and later forwarded those emails
to wikileaks? Seems to me that they need to answer those questions to be sure that their assertion
is correct. Otherwise, HRC and her political activities are and I am sure have been prime targets
for the Russians (as well as many others) but without intent of course.
I would add that we proposed to do a program that would monitor all activity on the world-wide
NSA network back in 1991/92. We called it "Wellgrounded." NSA did not want anyone (especially
congress) to know what was going on inside NSA and therefore rejected that proposal. I have not
read what Ed has said, but, I do know that every line of code that goes across the network is
logged in the network log. This is where a little software could scan, analyze and find the intruders
initially and then compile all the code sent by them to determine the type of attack. This is
what we wanted to do back in 1991/92.
The newest allegation tying the Clinton email hack to Russia seems to be
all innuendo .
Binney explained to us:
My problem is that they have not listed intruders or attempted intrusions to the DNC site.
I suspect that's because they did a quick and dirty look for known attacks.
Of course, this brings up another question; if it's a know attack, why did the DNC not have
software to stop it? You can tell from the network log who is going into a site. I used that on
networks that I had. I looked to see who came into my LAN, where they went, how long they stayed
and what they did while in my network.
Further, if you needed to, you could trace back approaches through other servers etc. Trace
Route and Trace Watch are good examples of monitoring software that help do these things. Others
of course exist … probably the best are in NSA/GCHQ and the other Five Eyes countries. But, these
countries have no monopoly on smart people that could do similar detection software.
Question is do they want to fix the problems with existing protection software. If the DNC
and OPM are examples, then obviously, they don't care to fix weakness probably because the want
to use these weaknesses to their own advantage.
Why is this newsworthy?
Well, the mainstream narrative alleges that the Clinton emails are not important … and that it's
a conspiracy between Putin and Trump to make sure Trump – and not Clinton – is elected.
But there are other issues, as well …
For example, an allegation of hacking could
literally lead to
war .
So we should be skeptical of such serious and potentially far-reaching allegations – which may
be true or may be false – unless and until they are proven .
Yup, as a former server admin it is patently absurd to attribute a hack to anyone in particular
until a substantial amount of forensic work has been done. (read, poring over multiple internal
log files…gathering yet more log files of yet more internal devices, poring over them, then –
once the request hops out of your org – requesting logfiles from remote entities, poring over
*those* log files, requesting further log files from yet more upstream entities, wash rinse repeat
ad infinitum)
For example, at its simplest, I would expect a middling-competency hacker to find an open wifi
hub across town to connect to, then VPN to server in, say, Tonga, then VPN from there to another
box in Sweden, then connect to a PC previously compromised in Iowa, then VPN to yet another anonymous
cloud server in Latvia, and (assuming the mountain dew is running low, gotta get cracking) then
RDP to the target server and grab as many docs as possible. RAR those up and encrypt them, FTP
them to a compromised media server in South Korea, email them from there to someones gmail account
previously hacked, xfer them to a P2P file sharing app, and then finally access them later from
a completely different set of servers.
In many cases where I did this sort of analysis I still ended up with a complete dead end:
some sysadmins at remote companies or orgs would be sympathetic and give me actual related log
files. Others would be sympathetic but would not give files, and instead do their own analysis
to give me tips. Many never responded, and most IPs ended up at unknown (compromised) personal
PCs, or devices where the owner could not be found anyway.
If the hacker was sloppy and left other types of circumstantial evidence you might get lucky
– but that demographic mostly points back to script kiddies and/or criminal dweebs – i.e., rather
then just surreptitiously exfiltrating the goods they instead left messages or altered things
that seemed to indicate their own backgrounds or prejudices, or left a message that was more easily
'traced'. If, of course, you took that evidence at face value and it was not itself an attempt
at obfuscation.
Short of a state actor such as an NSA who captures it ALL anyway, and/or can access any log
files at any public or private network at its own whim – its completely silly to attribute a hack
to anyone at this point.
So, I guess I am reduced to LOL OMG WTF its fer the LULZ!!!!!
hah, well I had a nice long answer but cloudflare blocked me. heh…apparently it doesnt like
certain words one uses when describing this stuff. Understandable!
I guess try looking up 'phishing' and 'privilege elevation' on wikipedia. Former is easiest,
latter gives you street cred.
Just to clarify on the "…If the hacker was sloppy and left other types of circumstantial evidence…"
– this is basically what I have seen reported as 'evidence' pointing to Russia: the Cyrillic keyboard
signature, the 'appeared to cease work on Russian holidays' stuff, and the association with 'known
Russian hacking groups'.
Thats great and all, but in past work I am sure my own 'research' could easily have gotten
me 'associated' with known hacking groups. Presumably various 'sophisticated' methods and tools
get you closer to possible suspects…but that kind of stuff is cycled and recycled throughout the
community worldwide – as soon as anything like that is known and published, any reasonably competent
hacker (or org of hackers) is learning how to do the same thing and incorporating such things
into their own methods. (imitation being the sincerest form of flattery)
I guess I have a lot more respect for the kinds of people I expect to be getting a paycheck
from foreign Intelligence agencies then to believe that they would leave such obvious clues behind
'accidentally'. But if we are going to be starting wars over this stuff w/Russia, or China, I
guess I would hope the adults in the room don't go all apesh*t and start chanting COMMIES, THE
RUSSIANS ARE COMING!, etc. before the ink is dry on the 'crime'.
Even then, I fail to see why this person (foreign, domestic, professional, amateur, state-sponsored,
or otherwise) hasn't done us a great service by exposing the DNC corruption in the first place.
Hell, I would love to give them the Medal of Freedom for this and (hopefully) the next boot to
drop! :)
There is a problem with those who argue that these are sophisticated Nation State attackers
and then point to the most basic circumstantial evidence to support their case. I'd bet that,
among others, the Israelis have hacked some Russian servers to launch attacks from and have some
of their workers on a Russian holiday schedule. Those things have been written about in attack
analysis so much over the last 15-20 years that they'd be stupid not to.
Now, I'm not saying the Israelis did it. I'm saying that the evidence provided so far by those
arguing it is Russia is so flaky as to prove that the Russia accusers are blinded
or corrupted by their own political agenda.
Oh, "they" just use the system management features baked right into the embedded computers
either the ones inside the "secure server" itself or (much more convenient and easy to do), they
attack the cheap-ish COTS lapdog that the support techie will be using to access the "secure server"
with:
– if there's a non-NSA evidence the attacks originated from Russia, then someone wanted the
world to know it was from Russia (or was just a private snoop).
– even if there was a technical evidence that the attack originated from Russia, unless it
could be tied very specifically to an institution (as opposed to a "PC in Russia"), it does not
prove that it was Russia. All it proves that someone using a computer in Russia initiated it.
Well phooey. My theory now goes up in smoke: Here we can clearly see an attempt at disinformation
from a Russian Operative, likely FSB – possibly from Putin's inner circle.
We know this through 2 things:
A.) The name, 'Vlad' – inequivocally a Russian given name, and not a common one at that.
B.) Note the slightly wrong grammar: "…a non-NSA evidence…" & "..was a technical evidence".
Clearly not a native English speaker.
See how easy that was? Yves, no need for log files to track IP here…case closed. In Soviet
Russia, crow eats me.
Anyone gots some nuke launch codes handy? 00000000 doesn't work for me anymore…
The recently murdered DNC Date Director Seth Rich being the leaker, or at least knowing who
the leaker was, as was hinted at recently by Julian Assange himself, makes a far more interesting
conspiracy theory.
Ten days after the murder of promising Democratic staffer Seth Rich, the Washington D.C.
slaying remains unsolved and police say they have no suspects in the crime.
Rich, a Jewish data analyst for the Democratic National Committee who worked on polling
station expansion, was shot and killed as he walked home on Sunday, July 10.
Police told Rich's parents that they believed his death was the result of a botched robbery.
Though Rich's killer did not take his wallet or phone, D.C. Police Commander William Fitzgerald
said that "there is no other reason (other than robbery) for an altercation at 4:30 in the
morning" at a community meeting on Monday.
The meeting was meant to address the recent uptick in robberies in the Bloomingdale neighborhood
near Howard University. Police reports say robberies in the area are down 20%, but an investigation
by the Washington Post found that armed robberies are actually up over 20% compared
with July 2015.
Of course there is absolutely no proof of Seth Rich's involvement, but I suppose it is a reasonable
surmise, as George Will recently said about the Russia allegations! In any case a possible crypto-BernieBro
tech-guy mole from within the DNC, as the source of the DNCLeaks, would make a much better made-for-TV
movie than the Russian theory. And if it was an internal mole, what better way to cover their
tracks than to leave some "traces" of a Russian hack.
Its one thing for Republicans to resort to the old chestnut of red scare mongering, but for
the Democrats to use the same ammo they once had lobed at them is surreal….
"The same people on the Clinton team who made enormous efforts to claim her private email
server-which operated unencrypted over the Internet for three months, including during trips to
China and Russia, and which contained top-secret national-security data-was not hacked by the
Russians now are certain that the DNC server was hacked by the Russians"
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/unpacking-the-dnc-emails/
Well, golly, if you're going to create a bright, shiny object to distract people from the
actual content of the e-mails, why not blame little green men from Mars? I mean, seriously, isn't
what this is all about – deflecting away from what the DNC was up to, so as to keep as much of
it as possible from further tarnishing the already-clouded view of both the process and the major
candidate whom it benefited?
And in addition to this little bit of obviousness, how can it possible have escaped
anyone with a functioning brain that this escalating hysteria about the DNC hack was noticeably
absent with respect to Clinton's own email operation?
I also find it deeply and almost-hilariously ironic that we're all supposed to be livid
at the idea of some foreign government trying to manipulate the US elections when not only is
the Democratic Party's flagship organization flagrantly engaged in trying to manipulate the outcome,
but the AMERICAN MEDIA wouldn't know what to do with itself if it wasn't constantly fking around
with the entire process.
I'm not sure we're ever coming out of this rabbit-hole-to-hell.
Looks like another false flag propaganda ploy. The Obama Admin flares up with phony indignation
and immediately swears there will be more sanctions. The FBI wants to prosecute ( or is it persecute)
the messenger instead of investigating the real crimes. The e-mails and their contents are real.
The noise is to cover up this fact!
"Why play the Russian/Putin/Trump card with the DNC email hack?" – An excellent question for
which you have provided a logical potential answer. Beyond that, this generally seems like an
act of desperation. I am nowhere near an expert on the details of hacking like the two who have
commented above, but what I see is a desperate attempt to capture the "stupid" vote. The whole
Democrat dog and pony show being put on now only serves to make those who will vote for Hillary
no matter what, feel self satisfied that they are right minded. What matters though is how they
connect with those not inclined to vote for her. In their logic it follows that the HIllary crowd
basically believes that anyone who would consider voting for Trump is very stupid, and this is
a desperate attempt to convince the "stupid's" to vote for Hillary. I have no idea how Trump will
act if he is elected President, but the critical factor for me is that there is now overwhelming
evidence that the entire Democrat establishment is just like Hillary (as made clear by Mr. Comey):
They are either grossly negligent and incompetent, or criminals who are not being prosecuted.
Anyone but her and her merry band of thieves will leave us all better off after November.
The association the Dems want to create is "scary foreign people support Trump".
The CNN poll in yesterday's Links shows Trump beats Hillary by huge margins (12 points)
on the economy and terrorism. She beats him on foreign policy (and nothing else). Dragging in
Russian hackers and foreign intelligence services plays to her strength.
In reality, politically motivated attacks like this are almost always domestic in origin.
To go to Wikileaks specifically I expect an inside whistleblower is responsible. The same thing
happened to Sony and the Swiss banks. Elites simply don't understand how many people they work
with are disgusted by their policies. To them this is a perfectly believable thing.
I also wonder whether there are significant numbers of Poles and Eastern Europeans generally
in the industrial precincts in some swing states; a vote against Russia in the form of a vote
against Trump might appeal to them.
I doubt it's that strategic–looks more like classic red-baiting (minus any communism but saying
"Russia" still evokes the same emotional response for people of a certain age) of the sort a former
Goldwater girl like Hillary would understand all too well.
Linking the hack and delivery of DNC emails to WIkiLeaks by Putin as a way of helping Trump
may strategically backfire.
Agreed. There are so many moving parts at this point the blowback looks to happen more rapidly
than they can manage perception, especially with things online. They spent so much time segmenting
and dismissing the various developments as disparate conspiracy theories, and now in one fell
swoop they've both legitimized critiques and connected them together (they run the risk that even
criticism that isn't true will still stick more than it otherwise would have). I'm not sure they
fully realize what they've done yet. It's a simple equation to them: Wikileaks = Bad. Russia =
Bad. Wikileaks + Russia = DoubleBad.
It reminds me very much of the French Fries to Freedom Fries movement. If you have a critical
mass of people in on the fun, it can work, at least for a time. But what happens when most people
don't care about being excommunicated from the DNC Serious People List?
Obvious clues pointing back at a known adversary…strategically-timed leaks from anonymous
intelligence sources…vague statements on the record from the President and other high-level officials…stories
fed to sympathetic media outlets…yep, sounds a lot like the playbook used by the Bush White House
for the run-up to the Iraq War. Except there's no way that the Democrats would ever do
something so shady.
Admin feeds story to crony media –> media report story as if independently sourced –> admin
then uses those reports to corroborate its own claims
It's not like they can reasonably deny anymore that they do this. The DNC leak provides hard
evidence. So plant your stories now, before there's a run!
Hey why fix our cybersecurity problems when we can just bomb Russia instead? To a hammer with
bombs everything looks like a nail.
Perhaps the biggest tell regarding our clueless, and mostly geriatric, establishment is their
superstitious misunderstanding of modern technology. Every toddler these days probably knows that
you don't put controversial material in emails or on cellphones unless you are willing to take
the kind of precautions Snowden talks about. The notion of ginning up an international conflict
over hacking is like Hollywood's idea of five years in jail for stealing one of Meryl Streep's
movies. The punishment doesn't fit the crime.
Plus of course there's the immense irony of the US, home of the NSA, getting huffy about other
countries doing the same thing. As always with out elites it's "do as we say, not as we do."
No matter who is responsible for the hack, I'm just glad that the information about the
DNC corruption is out in the open. I'm disappointed that this didn't happen before June 7, when
California, New Jersey, and several other states had their primaries. Better late than never,
I guess.
1. Before the evidence comes out: "The DNC is secretly sabotaging Sanders? Laughable conspiracy
theory!"
2. After the evidence comes out: "There's nothing new here, everyone knew this was happening,
it made no difference anyway! Sore loser."
Was flipping through 'convention' last night and happened upon Bernie's face as they try to
thank/bury him. It was the look of resignation to corruption, like Mr. Smith's just before Claude
Rains goes extra-Hollywood, tries to off himself, then says 'Arrest me', etc.
Bernie, you should have just run against both of them, damn the torpedoes.
It doesn't matter if Russia hacked it or someone else. The really important issue this brings
up is why hadn't our press revealed this? Why do we need to here about this from outsiders? And
why, now that it has been released, do they spend the bulk of their time speculating on the source
and not the content? Me thinks it's because our corporate main stream media, that merely masquerades
as a press entity, was complicit.
I think the leaked emails establish that the DNC was working closely with the 'press'. Anyone
who watched CNN during the primary season would not be surprised at the revelation that the 'press'
was complicit in the coronation of Hillary.
The DNCLeaks showed that the DNC (aka the Clinton Machine) was heavily influencing,
if not totally controlling, much of the mass media, using it to smear HRC's rivals and to
whitewash her crimes.
This fascist totalitarian control of the mass media by the DNC/Clinton campaign
has been exposed but that doesn't mean it has stopped! It hasn't. Ergo, one
will see minimal to no coverage, or whitewashing or diversionary coverage.
Why isn't it just as grave a concern that the primary contest of one of the 2 major political
parties was rigged to favor one candidate? Heck, people worried more about deflategate.
an aside: "A separate story pointed out that Trump's primary banking relationships are with
mid-sized players, and that makes sense too. He's be a third-tier account at a too-big-to-fail
banks (see here on how a much richer billionaire was abused by JP Morgan). Trump would get much
better service at a smaller institution. "
From what I've read at NC I think everyone would get much better service at a smaller
bank than at a TBTF.
"I joked early on that in the Obama administration that its solution to every problem was
better propaganda. What is troubling is how so many other players have emulated that strategy.
It's now so routine to spin-doctor aggressively that the elites have lost any sense of
whether what they are saying is credible or not. And as a skeptical consumer of media,
I find it uncomfortable to be living in an informational hall of mirrors."
It's no coincidence that trust in institutions is at an all-time low.
Eroded public trust translates to crappy, Banana Republic economies - and politics so venal that
it requires constant deceit to (mal)function.
On the upside, the dwindling credibility of institutions is providing opportunities for outlets
like The Young Turks (via YouTube), which take a lot of time unpacking propaganda and looking
for alternative perspectives. Ditto 'The Real News Network' (RNN). And ditto NC.
When I hear the "reporters" and "newscasters" on our American MSM speak, it reminds me of something
Wolfgang Leonhard taught: "Pravda lies in such a a way that not even the opposite of what they
say is true."
Huh. It is clear and irrefutable that the NSA (ie, the USA) has hacked Germany, France, Britain,
Japan, etc, etc, etc, etc. So…since hacking is an "act of war" we are now at war with our allies.
Yes?
Or does a war-worthy hack HAVE to originate in Russia (or China) to be an "act of war"? If
the USA is doing it it's an act of peacylove?
If the issue is the hack itself and its perpetrator(s), as opposed to the content of the hack,
I remain curious about the inattention to this fact: One of the documents in the DNC cache released
by Wikileaks was an excel spreadsheet of Trump donors. I haven't heard
anyone question the origin of a document that would itself appear to be the product of a hack
by the DNC (the only other possibility that comes to mind is a mole inside the Trump campaign).
I certainly haven't seen a request by the Trump campaign or anybody else for an FBI investigation
of what would seem to be prima facie evidence of a hack by the DNC of Trump computers in violation
of 18 U.S.C. § 1030.
But, then, there's been relative silence, generally, by the DNC with regard to leaks of donor
information. At least I haven't seen any PR-ly apology by the DNC, or Trump's organization for
that matter, for the insecure storing of donor information and a promise that steps have been
taken to make sure it doesn't happen again. Maybe I just missed that public apology. But I also
wonder if there isn't a reluctance to draw any attention whatsoever to that now public information.
Trump's affection for Putin and all things Russian has been known for years. In Russia, however,
Trump is considered to be clownish. Putin's affection for Trump might best be characterized as
condescending. Trump is the preference of the Putin crowd. And why not? Russian oligarch money
has been flowing into Trump's coffers for at least a decade. Why? Well, after four bankruptcies,
where else is Trump going to borrow money? There is solid evidence of financial ties between Trump
advisors and Putin's circle. Try the website Ballotpedia and look up "Carter Page," Trump's advisor
on all things Russian. Other examples are out there.
That said, I would not absolutely eliminate Putin and his operatives of conspiring with hackers
to obtain and then release documents that would denigrate the Democratic party and HRC.
I find it interesting that Trump telegraphed to the world a skeptical view of NATO allies,
especially the Putin-coveted Baltics, and signaled that he might not come to their defense if
attacked. Those views were expressed in an interview with the New York Times on Thursday, July
21. These comments, predictably, set off alarms all across Europe, and had Republicans scrambling
to backpedal. And then the next day, come the DNC leaks.
And now rumors of Scalia's assassination are being floated again! Distraction after distraction!
KKR, Blackstone, Apollo, etc al, have bankrupted HUNDREDS of companies each. Yet they not only
do they have no trouble borrowing money, they are eagerly pursued by Wall Street.
Trump has never gone bankrupt personally. He had four companies go bankrupt. Trump has started
and operated hundreds of corporate entities. That makes his ratio of bankruptcies way lower than
average and thus means he's a good credit, and much better than private equity. I'm not about
to waste time tracking it down, but the media has already reported on who Trump's regular lender
is, and it's a domestic financial institution, but not one of the TBTF banks.
In addition, I had a major NYC real estate developer/syndicator, a billionaire, in the late
1980s. The early 1990s recession hit NYC real estate very hard and every developer was in serious
trouble. My former client and Trump were the only big NYC developers not to have to give up major
NY properties to the banks.
And as far as your NATO remarks are concerned, you've clearly not been paying attention. Trump
has been critical of the US role in NATO for months, and has already gotten plenty of heat for
that.
Finally, as even the New York Times was forced to concede, the timing of the hacks was all
wrong to be intended to help Trump. It started long before he was a factor on the Republican side.
The DNC hired Crowdstrike to get 2 major Russian hacks off the DNC network prior to this guccifer2.0
nonsense.
You write: "Binney explained to us:
My problem is that they have not listed intruders or attempted intrusions to the DNC site. I suspect
that's because they did a quick and dirty look for known attacks."
But they have listed the initial intruders, see links below.
Binny keeps describing how he would check his LAN back in 1991. His experience is that of a
dinosaur. This article is a mess, conflating the Hrc email scandal with the DNC scandal. What
is at issue, as stated in the FAIR link, is whether the leak to gawker and wiki etc was perpetrated
by a lone Romanian hacker or by the Russian government, not whether the DNC was spied upon by
the Russian; it was.
I am not arguing the the Clinton campaign did not figure out how to use this to their advantage,
guccifer 2.0 and crowd strike stuff both came out in June but was not the subject of much crowing
until now…
> not whether the DNC was spied upon by the Russian; it was.
Based on what evidence? So many blanket statements we're supposed to accept as fact. No.
Guccifer 1.0, who is Romanian, hacked Sidney Blumenthal's email. Generally speaking, Romanians
like many Eastern Europeans hate Russia. Guccifer 1.0 was extradited to the US and made various
statements to the press about Clinton's private email server. I'm not aware of anything he said
about the DNC.
Guccifer 2.0 released DNC documents to the public and apparently to WikiLeaks. There is no
evidence he is Russian or connected to the Russians.
The mainstream media is also trumpeting the meme that Russia was behind the hack, because it
wants to help Trump get elected. In other words, the media is trying to deflect how damaging the
email leaks are to Clinton's character by trying to somehow associate Trump with Putin. See e.g.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/26/us/politics/kremlin-donald-trump-vladimir-putin.html "
don't you mean MSM wants to get Clinton elected, not Trump?
think the sentence was trying to express the idea that "Russia" "wants to help Trump get elected–the
"it" referring to "Russia" and not to "mainstream media"–as that idea is the predicate of a meme
that the mainstream media is trumpeting.
Always better to repeat the noun you are referring to, rather than use a pronoun, where use
of a pronoun could create ambiguity, as "it" (or should I have said, " such use" ?) did here.
Did any one see the recent docu ' Zero days' re STUXNET worm (invented by combined efforts
of US _NSA,CIA + Israeli intelligent +?UK) introduced into the NET to take down the Nulc program
in IRAN!
There is fascinating discussion and the threat of cyber terrorism from any one from any where
to the infra structures – Energy grid, transportation ++
It has lot of bearing on this Hillary E-mail gate scandal
Did you bother reading the comments earlier in this thread by JacobiteInTraining and Hacker,
who confirm that the claims don't stand up to scrutiny?
And you appear not to have been following this at all. Right after the story broke, a hacker
who called himself Guccifer 2.0 posted two sets of DNC docs and said more were coming, which was
presumed even then to be a Wikileaks releases (Assange had separately said lots of material on
Clinton was coming).
Because Hillary's campaign has insisted that national security was not compromised with her
use of a homebrew email server. Which would be the higher value target to a foreign intelligence
service – email she used as sec state, or the DNC server? Which would probably have better security
– the homebrew server, or the DNC server? If you buy into the idea that the Russians hacked the
DNC server, you have to admit there is a _strong_ probability they hacked her personal server
as well. I find it kindof amusing that her campaign, in it's response to Trump today, is basically
making the same point (even though it hasn't sunk in yet).
That's why it's relevant.
I can't speak to what security Hillary had in place. But I can say with 100% certainty that
it is I direly easier to secure a small network for one or two people over a large network that
has 100s or 1000s.
I have been working in network security for 20 years. I guarantee that I could build a small
network that would be close to impossible to break into regardless of the ability of the attacker.
So I reject the premise that we should presume that Hillary was hacked
I suggest you get up to speed on this story before making assumptions and assertions based
on them. It has been widely reported that Hillary's tech had no experience in network security
whatsoever, so the issue re the size of the network is irrelevant.
Bryan Pagliano's
resume , which the State Department recently turned over to Judicial Watch, shows he had
neither experience nor certification in protecting email systems against cyber security threats
His main qualification seems to be that he had been an IT director for the Clinton campaign
in 2006. CNN points out he was hired at State as a "political appointee":
Again, irrelevant to my point. The fact that the DNC mail servers were hacked does NOT mean
that Clinton's mail servers were hacked. Clinton's mail servers may have been hacked and Assange
is claiming that he has documents that prove it was. But, to date, no evidence has been provided
to show that her mail servers were hacked.
What we DO know is that the State Department mail servers were hacked, at least twice and at
least once by the Russians.
Regardless, none of this has anything to do with whether the Russians hacked the DNC mail servers
and whether they gave that information to Wikileaks.
Crowdstrike ,
Fiedlis Cybersecurity , and Mandiant all independently corroborated that it was the Russians.
The German government corroborated that an SSL cert found on the DNC servers was the same cert
that was used to infiltrate the German Parliament.
guccifer 2.0 is some guy that made a claim that made a claim the day AFTER Crowdstrike released
their report. He/She offered no evidence to support their claim.
So perhaps 3 different professional IT security companies are incompetent, despite all evidence
to the contrary, or Guccifer 2.0 is just some guy trying to take credit for something they didn't
do or it is a Russian agent trying to actively distract people from the actual culprits.
It is possible that the Russians weren't the ones to give the docs to wikileaks. But they almost
certainly were the ones who perpetrated an attack into the DNC mail servers. That in itself is
a huge problem.
I'm curious, is your background on the computer side or the policy side? You're making some
leaps where I think I follow your meaning, but the actual logic/evidence/warrant isn't there,
so I'm not sure exactly what you're claiming.
Aside from questions of whether elements of the Russian government attacked the DNC,
for example, you imply that the Russians were the only people attacking the DNC. Do you
have any technical reason to conclude that? Or is it just sloppy sentence construction, and you
didn't mean to imply that? Because at a policy level, it seems a reasonably solid understanding
of the world we inhabit that elements of many foreign governments attack US computer
systems, both for active penetration of documents and for more passive denial of service by legitimate
users. For goodness sakes, elements of the USFG itself attack US computer systems.
Anyone who can stand up straight for 5 minutes without falling over backwards and has half
a brain and an ounce of institutional memory knows it wasn't the Russkies who dropped the email
dime on the DNC shenanigans…
I thought Trump's comments today about wanting the Russians to find Hillary's emails were
genius. He fans the flames of this whole Russia-Putin thing on day 3 of the Dem convention and
what are the media outlets talking about? Plus, Hillary's campaign, in it's rebuttal to Trump,
is indirectly reminding everyone that her homebrew server was putting national security at risk.
This whole Russia-Putin connection thing won't work – it really isn't that believable in the
first place, the timing is suspect, and a lot of people in this country really don't care that
deeply about Putin one way or the other.
I am missing a white sock from the laundry I did over the weekend. I know Putin did it, I'm
just not sure how he broke into my basement to steal it. All the other sock-stealing suspects,
Hussein, Khadafy, bin Laden, they've all been killed. So it has to be Putin.
"... Clinton and the Democrats have far more to worry about from Wikileaks than they do disaffected Sanders supporters. ..."
"... The game is rigged and the house always win. You should know that by now. ..."
"... the neoconservatives do not support or trust Trump or anyone who makes nice with Putin. Hillary is a dependable hawk. Victoria Nuland worked in her State Dept. The empire will continue with Hillary in the White House. ..."
"... The other reason she is vulnerable to Trump is because she is almost as loathed as he is but unlike Trump she doesn't generate the adulation to counter it. ..."
"... I think the election could be compared to the EU referendum because just like the EU it's very hard to feel much enthusiasm for Clinton, wheras just like the Brexit campaign, Trump generates strong support with a bunch of easy answers and cheap soundbites ..."
"... Even Bill Clinton chose someone other than Hillary ... shouldn't we? ..."
"... If Trump is elected. who knows what will happen, but we know what will happen if the Clintons are elected. I will vote for Trump and watch the events and hope that the DNC fragments and then watch as a revolution and a rebuilding of our political system begins. I do not anymore wars. With the Clintons, there will be a continuation and new wars, perhaps a conflict with Russia and mankind will vanish. ..."
"... Obama didn't equal huge positive change, so why do we think Trump can create huge negative change ??? ..."
"... There won't be a video, Goldman Sachs own her. And with either Clinton or Trump, we will still be living under the dictate of Wall Street. ..."
"... Once again this election is proof positive that you BUY elections. The masters of the DNC ordained that Clinton represent them and they were so insulated in their rich little world that they failed to recognize that she is unelectable; the republican turnout will be higher than it has ever been in history, so polarizing is she. People like me, poor people who crave change, will NOT vote for banks so, by default, Trump wins. ..."
If Bernie won the nomination, and Clinton gave him 'belated and tepid support', he would still
win the election by a large margin. Which is testament to Clinton's ineptitude as a politician
I had hoped Obama would deliver genuine economic change – but that didn't happen. Before
becoming a journalist, I even moved to Pennsylvania for a couple of months to volunteer for
Barack Obama's campaign. I was enamored by his intelligence and the beautiful ways he wrote
and spoke about race. But I was also thrilled (naively) that Obama seemed to get his money
from small donors, and that he might break Wall Street's stranglehold on the Democrats.
The game is rigged and the house always win. You should know that by now.
George won the vote in Florida because Cubans in Dade and Broward counties voted for him 4-1 over
Gore. Why do you think she went to Miami last week and her V.P. is fluent in Spanish?
Latinos and women will vote in the tens of millions for Hillary. Plus, the neoconservatives
do not support or trust Trump or anyone who makes nice with Putin. Hillary is a dependable hawk.
Victoria Nuland worked in her State Dept. The empire will continue with Hillary in the White House.
Sanders would never have lost to Trump.
Hillary is incredibly vulnerable to Trump.
The Media and the DNC's obsession with making sure that Hillary won may go down as one of the
greatest mistakes in American history.
Obviously she can win. But Sanders looks infinitely more capable of beating Trump in the states
where it's going to be dog fight. Whereas Hillary represents everything Trump has specialised
in opposing with such great success.
Sanders would have brushed Trump off like a fly and peeled off large parts of his blue collar
support. And Rep leaders would blush and giggle when discussing his integrity and honesty. But
instead we get Hillary and her baggage train. Lousy.
Whereas Hillary represents everything Trump has specialised in opposing with such great
success.
Very good point.
The other reason she is vulnerable to Trump is because she is almost as loathed as he is
but unlike Trump she doesn't generate the adulation to counter it.
I think the election could be compared to the EU referendum because just like the EU it's
very hard to feel much enthusiasm for Clinton, wheras just like the Brexit campaign, Trump generates
strong support with a bunch of easy answers and cheap soundbites.
If the Democrats are to bring about a different outcome they need to recognise just how bad
their candidate is and really concentrate on running an anti-Trump campaign. As I see it it's
the only they can win.
If Trump is elected. who knows what will happen, but we know what will happen if the Clintons
are elected. I will vote for Trump and watch the events and hope that the DNC fragments and then
watch as a revolution and a rebuilding of our political system begins. I do not anymore wars.
With the Clintons, there will be a continuation and new wars, perhaps a conflict with Russia and
mankind will vanish.
Poor whites in the U.S. are not voting for the "Left" because they have been dismissed, if not
vilified, by the cosmopolitan luvvies of the Democratic Party who are in thrall to every trendy
identity politics of the moment.
The elections are the X-Factor theatre for us lot every 4/5 years.
The shadow government (Wall Street/global corporations/war machine) always remains the same
throughout the decades, regardless of the rolling red/blue figurehead.
You can't get anywhere near the top job without being in the pocket of the kingmakers.
If only you could take the money out of politics. Maybe in a parallel universe we'll have grown
up sufficiently to understand that it's absolutely this that kills any hope of democracy.
Would a Trump presidency be a disaster? Yes. Would it cause all manner of economic, legal,
political and moral crises? Definitely. Yup. Would a good chunk of Trump voters – even angry
white Trump voters – grow to regret their votes? No doubt.
Would poor people and people of color – especially immigrants, those assumed to be immigrants
and Muslims – pay the highest price?
Why would it be a disaster ?
Would it cause all manner of economic, legal, political and moral crises?
Would poor people and people of color – especially immigrants, those assumed to be immigrants
and Muslims – pay the highest price?
I don't think you can categorically say it would be a disaster, any policy would still need
to be voted through, and congress isn't suddenly going to change based on the President.
You thought Obama was going to change everything for the better, but he couldn't due to the
restrictions of power on a president, so why do people think Trump is suddenly going to have unlimited
power.
Obama didn't equal huge positive change, so why do we think Trump can create huge negative
change ???
Bernie actually brought in the young crowd who frankly sees Clinton as an establishment dragging
the sack candidate and would have never voted for her. Ron Paul did the same for Republicans.
He did actually start a conversation about what it means to be a socialist and have all the
great ideas and no way to pay for them, except raise taxes.
Neither Bernie or Hillary have a response to get people employed. Their answer is to send people
to school till they actually want to drop out of the perpetual education carousel and try and
get a job.
I wouldn't consider the same old steal (tax) the working stiffs money from them under a different
acronym (slush fund) a viable plan.
At last some rational commentary coming from the Guardian. The democratic party nominated Hillary
Clinton last night and elected Donald Trump.. Blame Clinton, Wasserman and the rest of the crooked
DNC cabal for what may well be the disintegration for the Democratic Party...
If Hillary Clinton hadn't been married to Bill Clinton she would have come nowhere, she wouldn't
have been a senator, the same principal as the Bush legacy, where would GWBush have got in the
selection process if his father hadn't have been pulling strings. The US needs a president on
merit, not who they are related to or married to. It is like a monarchy, just what the American
revolution was carried out to escape from.
There really is only one party at the Federal level and that is the $ party. The rest is just
a carnival con game with the banners and shouting. The truth is that all of us but the very rich,
have been abandoned by what is supposed to be representative govt. Sanders supporters have learned
a hard lesson, that you can't reform this level of corruption from inside the system.
Another interesting aspect will be the Wall Street speeches that no one has mentioned for a while.
Clinton still refuses to disclose anything about those but now, she's up against the very people
to whom those speeches were delivered. They not only have transcripts, they doubtless have VIDEO and that video will probably surface at the least-convenient time for Clinton.
> the Democrats seem bent on putting up people and policies that
> will redistribute money to Wall Street and ignore the 99% when their
> base been screaming at them to stop this.
> Americans might not regret casting a vote for Trump until it's too late.
>
One of the policies that Trump advocates is less of a seeming oneness with Wall Street. If Obama
couldn't divorce himself of that sort of thing, why do you think that Hillary Big Banks Pay Me
Big Bucks For Speeches Clinton would?
Once again this election is proof positive that you BUY elections. The masters of the DNC
ordained that Clinton represent them and they were so insulated in their rich little world that
they failed to recognize that she is unelectable; the republican turnout will be higher than it
has ever been in history, so polarizing is she. People like me, poor people who crave change,
will NOT vote for banks so, by default, Trump wins.
"... As life exceeds satire, one can imagine that within a week Wikileaks will
produce those "missing e-mails". And later Hillary's Wall Street speeches, following
the next appeal from Trump. ..."
"... PB @ 4, confirming some earlier analysis that trump is playing the media
for suckers over HRC's hysteria. "Trump calls on Kremlin to commit acts of espionage
against Hillary Clinton." omg. ..."
"... they cannot afford to have the truth about ISIS revealed. They need the
next president to continue their lies. It is terrifying. ..."
"... Even if Russia did the hack and leaked that information (no evidence) --
so what? We have done and do the same all the time in other countries. Just doesn't
feel as good when you are at the receiving end. ..."
"... It's like 9/11. What do you desperately want to believe? What are you desperately
afraid to admit? ..."
"... No amount of 'debunking' of the DNC's assertions will affect the beliefs
of those who want to believe, who are afraid to admit that they are going to vote
for the corporate whore who mocks them with her pathetic ruses. The corporate media
have suffered irreparable damage to their credibility over the past decade, at least.
..."
"... What is scary about this campaign is that the anti-Russian hysteria is
being incorporated by Hillary supporters. By the time she is elected there will
be many millions of Democrats crying for war against Russia. The last time a Democrat
ran to the right of the Republican in a presidential election was the Kennedy-Nixon
race. That resulted in Kennedy entering office and believing his own bs. He then
very quickly carried out the Bay of Pigs fiasco but much worse the near start of
WWIII during the Cuban missile crisis. ..."
"... Hillary is definitely stupid enough to listen to her neocon advisers and,
fueled with self righteous Russian hatred, get us involved in some shooting war
with them in Syria, Ukraine or the Baltic region. Very dangerous times ahead I fear.
This why I am moving closer and closer to voting for Trump rather than a third party.
..."
"... Great observation. Cuts to the chase, to bedrock reality. We are the Evil
Empire that Ronald Reagan ranted about. Have been since the Dulles Boys' coup. ..."
"... Trump is beginning to look like the lessor of two evils. And we Americans
are proven suckers for that line of 'reasoning'. The champion poll forecaster now
'shows Donald Trump leading Hillary Clinton with a shocking 15 percentage point-greater
chance of winning if the general election were held today.'. ..."
Usually, the only thing that stops mass- and self-delusion (and the attending
propaganda) on this scale is the massive intervention of reality. I worry
that many casualties will ensue.
Trump apparently said in his press conference that the US should
cooperate to with Russia to destroy ISIS. The panic created in DC by this
man must be incredible.
ELECTION 2016
Trump Calls for Russia's Help to Expose Emails Clinton Deleted
By ASHLEY PARKER 11:44 AM ET (NYT)
"Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails
that are missing," Donald J. Trump said, referring to messages deemed personal
by Hillary Clinton and deleted from her private email server.
===
As life exceeds satire, one can imagine that within a week Wikileaks
will produce those "missing e-mails". And later Hillary's Wall Street speeches,
following the next appeal from Trump.
PB @ 4, confirming some earlier analysis that trump is playing the media
for suckers over HRC's hysteria. "Trump calls on Kremlin to commit acts
of espionage against Hillary Clinton." omg.
There is just not enough of Orville Redenbacher's popcorn to last to the
end of this crazy 2016 . I think if Putin came out personally and said that
he did it the world would cheer . yet for some reason Russia needs to be
vilified ...Thanks for the work you do b ...
What cracks me up about the idea that the Russians were behind the DNC hack
is that Putin has little to fear from the accusation. It would probably
help him politically at home and seriously, what are we going to do about
it? Go to war? More sanctions? Denounce Russia in the UN? He's probably
having a good laugh over the whole thing.
Here are a couple of links to techie stories about the issue. They each
have links and educational comments. How deep down the rabbit hole do you
want to go?
Assange Timed WikiLeaks Release of Democratic Emails to Harm Hillary
Clinton
The New York Times
By CHARLIE SAVAGE
5 hrs ago
WASHINGTON - Six weeks before the anti-secrecy organization WikiLeaks
published an archive of hacked Democratic National Committee emails ahead
of the Democratic convention, the organization's founder, Julian Assange,
foreshadowed the release - and made it clear that he hoped to harm Hillary
Clinton's chances of winning the presidency.
Mr. Assange's remarks in a June 12 interview underscored that for all
the drama of the...
Essentially: "Even if Russia did the hack and leaked that information
(no evidence) -- so what? We have done and do the same all the time in other
countries. Just doesn't feel as good when you are at the receiving end."
Thanks, b - a very acute analysis. It reminds me of the warning of false
narrative the "Merlin" sponsors were peddling which Control warned George
Smiley about in Le Carre's "Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy":
"They're buying their way in with false money, George."
It's like 9/11. What do you desperately want to believe? What are you
desperately afraid to admit?
Trump made light of the charges with 'hope the Russians find the 30,000
missing emails' crack, but his vp immediately made a show of taking the
claim seriously ... he looks to be the mole set up by the RNC to take down
Trump.
No amount of 'debunking' of the DNC's assertions will affect the
beliefs of those who want to believe, who are afraid to admit that they
are going to vote for the corporate whore who mocks them with her pathetic
ruses. The corporate media have suffered irreparable damage to their credibility
over the past decade, at least.
The D-N-Cee,
the men-a-ger-ie,
they're not for you,
and they're not for me!
They're runnin' in circles,
around the tree.
When they turn to butter, let's make pancakes. I'm so hungry I could
eat one hundred and sixty-nine! Breakfast for us indigenes.
What is scary about this campaign is that the anti-Russian hysteria
is being incorporated by Hillary supporters. By the time she is elected
there will be many millions of Democrats crying for war against Russia.
The last time a Democrat ran to the right of the Republican in a presidential
election was the Kennedy-Nixon race. That resulted in Kennedy entering office
and believing his own bs. He then very quickly carried out the Bay of Pigs
fiasco but much worse the near start of WWIII during the Cuban missile crisis.
Hillary is definitely stupid enough to listen to her neocon advisers
and, fueled with self righteous Russian hatred, get us involved in some
shooting war with them in Syria, Ukraine or the Baltic region. Very dangerous
times ahead I fear. This why I am moving closer and closer to voting for
Trump rather than a third party.
Credit to Julian Assange for having guts. If Clinton should win it's foreseeable
that a major effort to regime-change Ecuador will ensue so they can get
him booted from the London embassy straight into a CIA jet.
Putin knows the zionists hate him, and Trump. I don't believe he would release
this stuff. just because of the anti Russian BS the MSD would stir, which
wo proof, they are anyway.
I read it was Guccifer?somewhere,a Russian? blogger.
This will all backfire,as the American people have been had too many
times by the serial liars.
What if this came from GB,say?What would be the reaction then?
And why is Russia,who has never done a thing to US,in history,an enemy,when
the Zionists spy,bribe and control our whole nation,nakedly,shamelessly,but
there is the ol'crickets only, chirping in the weeds?
Yahoo to Putin; Hey, you are cutting in on our action.
WaPo comment sections are full of people who seem to be true believers in
the ideology of the new Cold War. Or maybe they only say that because they're
being paid to do so. Hard to believe so many people could be so stupid.
I was thinking the other day that Putin should send a squad of angry babushkas
after the sisterhood of the traveling pantsuits running the DNC. Evidently
this is already in the works.
#UKRAINE-UA police released warning that the "#HolyCross Procession
includes violent grandmas who provoke Ukrainian youth to beat them up."
Great observation. Cuts to the chase, to bedrock reality. We are
the Evil Empire that Ronald Reagan ranted about. Have been since the Dulles
Boys' coup.
Still I agree with yours and with Toivo S' point just above. Trump
is beginning to look like the lessor of two evils. And we Americans are
proven suckers for that line of 'reasoning'. The
champion poll forecaster now 'shows Donald Trump leading Hillary Clinton
with a shocking 15 percentage point-greater chance of winning if the general
election were held today.'.
Before the Dulles Boy's coup there was the changing of the motto in the
1950's from E Pluribus Unum (Out of many, one) to In Gawd We Trust.
Before that in 1913 the Fed was created with the 12 regional banks owned
privately.
Has the City of London and that empire ever died?
Has the City of Rome corner of the global financial system ever been
made clear?
The basic tenets of the Western way are private ownership of property
enhanced by rampant inheritance at the top and private finance owned and
operated by historical families and others unknown. It is sad to me when
commenter here and other places rail on about bankers and corporations and
not the global cabal that own them all.
Why can't humanity evolve beyond private finance to totally sovereign
finance and, at a minimum, neuter inheritance laws globally so that none
can accumulate enough to control social policy? Private finance is a cancer
humanity can no loner afford.
Warning: Bellingcat is a disinformation outpost probably created by some intelligence agency. It
lied about MH17 extensively.
Notable quotes:
"... Beware Bellingcat; he's been busted more than once publishing fraudulent information; especially re: Putin and Ukraine ..."
"... This is an interesting article that explores possibilities (if only partially) of an extremely murky event: the recent coup in Turkey. One very keen observation is that this coup has one extraordinary aspect: nobody seems to blame Putin! The second observation is that it is not typical for a coup that it is not possible to trace who was running it, while indisputably, someone activated a bunch of conspirators to action. In the past, even failed coup had an identified leader. ..."
3 Turkish specialized NATO regiments (20,000+ troops?} led coup attempt. Using Bellingcat translated
records of coup communications, Sybil Edmonds explains:
This is an interesting article that explores possibilities (if only partially) of an extremely
murky event: the recent coup in Turkey. One very keen observation is that this coup has one extraordinary
aspect: nobody seems to blame Putin! The second observation is that it is not typical for a coup
that it is not possible to trace who was running it, while indisputably, someone activated a bunch
of conspirators to action. In the past, even failed coup had an identified leader.
[Tinfoil hat on] This points to a masterful hand behind the plot, perhaps a bit deficient in
purely military details but very capable in conspiratorial techniques. [delete]Gulen[end delete]
Putin! Putin theory could have a weak spot, namely that he is competent in purely military details,
but it can be elegantly rescued by the fact that he had no interest in actually replacing Erdogan,
but merely in rendering him ineffective against Russia. As Russians know only too well, the most
effective way of disabling a military organization is to imbue the national leader with total
paranoia. [Tinfoil hat off, malignant waves enter brain again]
Clearly, Erdogan is another person who benefits from the coup, and who has much simpler means
to assure that the leadership of the coup remains unclear: his devoted stooges run the investigation
after all! Moreover, Akira correctly observed that the past actions attributed to Gulen's movement
lacked outright violence. In my opinion, this stems from religious principles of Gulen himself,
his own interpretation of Islam (which clearly allows for intrigue and subterfuge). Gulen did
not create his movement in vacuum, he became a leader of followers of Said Nursi who died in 1960.
The way those movements (Nur of Nursi, Hizmet of Gulen) operated is compared to Sufi brotherhoods
which may be loosely hierarchical and highly conspiratorial. Some Sufi movements may be violent,
by calling to armed Jihad etc. However, Nursi was a pacifist. As I said, unlike some other Muslim
movements in Turkey. Erdogan has a somewhat murky religious movement of his own, and he clearly
accepts the concept of violent Jihad.
One can dwell more of it, but pretty safe conclusion is that we have two likely possibilities:
Erdogan pulling the strings (in that case, using Hakan Fidan, his spy master) and going to some
lengths to make the appearance that Guelen does it, or the reverse. Because of that, no single
piece of evidence is conclusive, any single person can be a double/multiple agent etc. And because
those possibilities are both so compelling, the true guiding master hand remains hidden (Putin!!!!).
Great stuff pb. I think that Erdo's 'genius' lies in his ability to react rather than act.
He just waits to see his chances then takes 'em. Having plans opens one up to having one's plans
divined by others and so defeated. His strength lies in his nihilism, the g-forces alone of his
about faces would so distort the physique of any ordinary man that he could never survive. But
Erdo is focused exclusively on his own ends - and possesses the magical ability of convincing
his followers of his invincibility and hence, of theirs. His survival of his seemingly endless
stream of volte faces proves this in the eyes of his followers and so confounds his more or less
principled opposition that their very bones melt and they puddle.
So the CIA, who have kept Gulen bottled up in their Pennsylvania super-fortress all these years,
perhaps their secret, kryptonite-like antidote to al-CIAduh, sprang him to avail Erdogan of yet
another of his nine-times-nine-lives, in order to keep his ego-driven presence alive and disruptive
on their geostrategic gameboard.
The terrifying thing from the CIA's/USA's point of view would be any kind of coherent coincidence
of aims among Russia, Turkey, Syria, Iraq, Iran, the Caucasus, and the stans of Central Asia.
They feel that they can rely upon Erdo to keep the Caucasus and Central Asia high on its own version
of the Ottoman dream, and in competition with the Sunni/IS, the Shia, and Kurdish Axes.
If the Turkmen and the Shia were to cohere rather than contend, or, worse, the Turkmen-Shia-Kurds
were to do so, there would be far too much constructive activity in the Middle East for the empire
of chaos to survive there let alone prevail. The opposite hand of Putin did it! is ... the CIA
did it! I say the CIA did it. That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.
The real story will become apparent in the fullness of time.
Seems the Clinton and her assorted groupies just need a scapegoat :-). Seems Putin controls Trump
and Clinton! The man is amazing.
Notable quotes:
"... From Bloomberg - "If the Democrats can show the hidden hand of Russian intelligence agencies, they believe that voter outrage will probably outweigh any embarrassing revelations, a person familiar with the party's thinking said' ..."
"... Ha! Fat chance. I'm thinking the American voter is going to start sending Thank You notes to the Kremlin! As usual, their heads are stuck so far up the arse of their donkey they incapable of gauging Main Street sentiment. ..."
"... She is just a symptom of the DNC disease. And yes, she'll take the fall for the team, but make no mistake, the cancer remains and will continue to metastasize. ..."
Russia is weaponizing everything : Word files, federalism, finance and Jedi mind tricks - everything
is transformed into a weapon if Russia or its president Putin is imagined to come near it.
Putin, the President of the Russian Federation, is influencing, manipulating and controlling many
"western" politicians, parties and movements - in Europe AND in the United States.
Here are,
thanks
to Mark Sleboda , a partial list
of political entities and issue Putin secretly manipulates and controls:
Putin is
in cahoots with the Republican presidential candidate Trump -
claims the Clinton
campaign . Putin is behind, it asserts, the leak of the DNC emails which prove that the Democratic
National Committee
has been working against Sanders to promote Hillary Clinton. The leak of the DNC emails, says
the Clinton campaign, is ..:
.. further evidence the Russian government is trying to influence the outcome of the election.
The Clinton campaign has not looked thoroughly enough into Putin's schemes. Reveal we can that
Putin has penetrated U.S. politics even deeper than thought - right down into the Clinton Foundation
and the
Clinton family itself:
As the Russians gradually assumed control of Uranium One in three separate transactions from 2009
to 2013, Canadian records show, a flow of cash made its way to the Clinton Foundation. Uranium
One's chairman used his family foundation to make four donations totaling $2.35 million.
That money, surely, had no influence on then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's decisions? And
what about her husband?
Mr. Clinton received $500,000 ... from a Russian investment bank with links to the Kremlin
These undisputed facts demonstrate that Putin is indeed waging influence by bribing U.S. politicians.
But the Clinton campaign is be a bit more hesitant in pointing these out.
Clinton/Kaine certainly confident that the MSM will not report.
For all the money given to the Clinton's it didn't prevent the Ukraine disasters. Of course,
Ukraine may not have been a concern among the particular oligarchs who made these bribes.
HOw could this anti-russian hysteria/bashing go on, I mean the level of paranoia and disinformation
against Russia and Putin is plain crazy.
From Bloomberg - "If the Democrats can show the hidden hand of Russian intelligence agencies,
they believe that voter outrage will probably outweigh any embarrassing revelations, a person
familiar with the party's thinking said'
Ha! Fat chance. I'm thinking the American voter is going to start sending Thank You notes
to the Kremlin! As usual, their heads are stuck so far up the arse of their donkey they incapable
of gauging Main Street sentiment.
Funny though, Schultz takes her orders from Obama, as the Chairman of the Party, the DNC Board
of Directors and team Hillary. Period. If any blame should go around it should splash onto all
individuals NOT just Schultz.
She is just a symptom of the DNC disease. And yes, she'll take the fall for the team, but
make no mistake, the cancer remains and will continue to metastasize.
"... "it's been 15 years now since the dawn of the criminal 'New American Century'," You must be young. The New American Century was announced at the UN in November, 1991 by George Herbert Walker Bush. ..."
"... Bush lost the election twelve months later, but the criminal who won was even more effective in establishing this new world order than Bush could have ever been. ..."
jfl @ 2, you note that "it's been 15 years now since the dawn of the criminal 'New American Century',"
You must be young. The New American Century was announced at the UN in November, 1991 by George Herbert
Walker Bush. I watched him on television that evening announcing a "new world order" and my blood
ran cold. I knew that evening where all this was leading to. It was leading to where we are right
now.
Bush lost the election twelve months later, but the criminal who won was even more effective in
establishing this new world order than Bush could have ever been.
The New American Century was announced in November, 1991. Internationally, the policy began
with Bush senior urging Sadaam to invade Kuwait, thereby creating a cassus belli for everything that
has happened since.
Domestically, it began with the wanton siege of the Waco religious sect and the murder of Randy
Weaver's wife and baby.
"... Speaking at the White House today, President Obama denied unequivocally that the US had any prior knowledge of last week's failed military coup in Turkey, calling on Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan to make sure everyone in Turkey knows the US wasn't involved. ..."
"... The early US reaction to the coup has raised a lot of speculation, as Secretary of State John Kerry, during the coup, issued a tepid comment just urging "stability." The US only condemned the coup when it became clear, later that evening, that it was going to fail. ..."
Obama Denies Advance Knowledge of Turkish Coup; Insists US Had No Involvement in Failed Coup
Speaking at the White House today, President Obama denied unequivocally that the US had any
prior knowledge of last week's failed military coup in Turkey, calling on Turkish President Recep
Tayyip Erdogan to make sure everyone in Turkey knows the US wasn't involved.
The early US reaction to the coup has raised a lot of speculation, as Secretary of State John
Kerry, during the coup, issued a tepid comment just urging "stability." The US only condemned the
coup when it became clear, later that evening, that it was going to fail.
Turkey cut power to the Incirlik Air Base, where many US warplanes and dozens of US nuclear weapons
are based, and jailed the commander as a co-conspirator to the coup. That, and Turkey's blaming of
cleric Fethullah Gulen, exiled to the US, as being behind the plot, are likely the source of a lot
of the speculation.
The US has been keen to keep its ties close to Turkey, whoever ends up running it, and the Obama
Administration is understandably eager to distance itself from any suspicion. This is a key part
of why the US has been so reluctant to seriously criticize Turkey's post-coup purge, and why Turkey
feels comfortable pressuring them to extradite Gulen without any evidence.
TEHRAN (FNA)- Arab media outlets quoted diplomats in Ankara as disclosing that Turkey's President
Erdogan was alerted by Russia against an imminent army coup hours before it was initiated on Friday,
while a western media outlet said Erdogan asked his supporters to remain in the streets after receiving
advice from Tehran.
Several Arab media outlets, including Rai Alyoum, quoted diplomatic sources
in Ankara as saying that Turkey's National Intelligence Organization, known locally as the MIT, received
intel from its Russian counterpart that warned of an impending coup in the Muslim state.
The unnamed diplomats said the Russian army in the region had intercepted highly sensitive army
exchanges and encoded radio messages showing that the Turkish army was readying to stage a coup against
the administration in Ankara.
The exchanges included dispatch of several army choppers to President Erdogan's resort hotel to
arrest or kill the president.
The diplomats were not sure of the Russian station that had intercepted the exchanges, but said
the Russian army intelligence unit deployed in Khmeimim (also called Hmeimim) in Syria's Northern
province of Lattakia is reportedly equipped with state-of-the-art electronic and eavesdropping systems
to gather highly sensitive information for the Russian squadrons that are on an anti-terrorism mission
in Syria.
Khmeimim in Northwestern Syria is the only Russian air force base in the war-ravaged country that
provides cover for Syrian army and popular forces in multiple fronts across the country, in addition
to bombing missions against terrorist targets. The Russian naval fleet, including its only aircraft
carrier, are deployed along the coasts of Lattakia border province to provide logistical aid to the
air base in a short time. Meantime, Russia has deployed its highly sophisticated S-400 air defense
shield at Khmeimim and announced that it covers the entire Syrian skies with the same air defense
system.
Last year, Turkey shot down a Russian Sukhoi bomber over Syrian skies and President Erdogan who
was then a staunch enemy of Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad rejected extending an apology to Moscow
for about a year, although economic sanctions by Russia as well as growing victories by the Syrian
army, popular forces, Hezbollah fighters, Iranian advisors and Russian air force that cornered the
terrorists in Syria and similar victories against ISIL in Iraq convinced the Turkish president to
not just apologize for the Sukhoi incident, but also show signs of a U-turn in foreign policy, saying
that he is dropping his opposition to President Assad.
Four days after the coup, officials in Ankara announced that the two Turkish pilots who played
a role in the downing of the Russian plane in November were in custody over the recent failed coup.
"Two pilots who were part of the operation to down the Russian Su-24 in November 2015 are in custody,"
a Turkish official told journalists on Tuesday, adding that they were detained over links to the
coup bid.
Russian President Vladimir Putin called his Turkish counterpart Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Sunday,
describing the attempted coup as unacceptable and voicing hope for a speedy return to stability.
The diplomatic sources said the shift in Erdogan's foreign policy stated only a week before the
coup has been "a major cause pushing several foreign states to provoke and promise support for the
army to stage the coup, and the same shift also saved him" as it was not clear if the Russians would
provide Ankara with their intel, otherwise.
Officials of neither country have made any comment on the report yet. In Ankara, official sources,
including the Army itself, confirmed that the Turkish army's top generals had been informed of last
week's coup by the MIT hours before the plot came into action.
A statement issued by the army on July 19 described the events that took place on July 15, saying
a majority within the military managed to suppress the coup attempt due to information provided by
the MIT some five hours before the coup plot became public, national newspaper Hurriyet reported.
"The information given by the National Intelligence Organization on July 15, 2016, at around 4:00
p.m. was evaluated at the General Staff headquarters with the attendance of Chief of Staff General
Hulusi Akar, Chief of the Army General Salih Zeki Colak and Deputy Chief of Staff General Yasar Guler."
In order to counter the coup, high ranking officials within the Turkish army gave orders for all
air and ground forces around the country to immediately cease operations including military vehicles
such as tanks, planes and helicopters.
A report by Al-Jazeera Arabic suggests the coup plotters initiated the operation six hours ahead
of time as they had previously planned to launch the coup at 3:00 a.m. local time on July 16.
While the report does not indicate the reason for the coup being initiated ahead of time, the
revelation by the military suggests the coup plotters understood their plans had been compromised
and decided to act. 1
Reports also suggest the coup plotters had orders to kidnap or kill President Recep Tayyip Erdogan
as helicopters headed toward the hotel he was staying in at the holiday resort of Marmaris. But Erdogan
had left 44 minutes before they arrived, according to Al-Jazeera's report.
The official statements coming out from Ankara are in full compliance with the Arab media reports
quoting the diplomatic sources on the Russian intel.
Only four days after the coup, Erdogan appeared on the media saying that he plans to declare a
crucial turn in foreign policy that would "end differences with Turkey's neighboring states".
Less than a day later, Kremlin Spokesman Dmitry Peskov announced that President Erdogan would
visit Russia early in August to meet with his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin.
Meantime, Iran rushed to condemn the Turkish army coup only two hours after it started. Several
top security and foreign policy officials in Tehran were in constant contact with President Erdogan
and his cabinet ministers all throughout Friday.
As July 15 was coming to an end in Tehran, Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif was on
the phone with his Turkish counterpart Mevlut Cavusoglu, whose government was under the threat of
being overthrown by a military coup. Meanwhile, Ali Shamkhani, the secretary of Iran's Supreme National
Security Council (SNSC), was on another line with security officials in Ankara. All the while, Qassem
Soleimani, the commander of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps' Quds Force, Iran's regional military
arm, was busy pursuing and reviewing various scenarios that might emerge.
"It's not a secret anymore," an Iranian official told Al-Monitor on condition of anonymity. "Zarif,
Shamkhani and Soleimani were executing higher orders. The whole establishment was too concerned.
Turkey is a neighboring state. President Erdogan and his government are strong partners of Iran.
Our nations enjoy strong brotherly ties, so it's the least we can do to show solidarity and try to
offer any help they might need in such critical times."
"Another Iranian official saw parallels between the successful coup against Iranian Prime Minister
Mohammad Mosaddegh in 1953 and this year's coup attempt in Turkey," Al-Monitor said.
The official told Al-Monitor on condition of anonymity, "What we know is that this move was triggered
by foreign hands. We went through the same in the past, and because Mr. Erdogan is today looking
forward to playing a better role in the region, they want him down." The Iranian official said, "There
was a message that was conveyed to Turkish security officials: Don't leave the streets. This coup
might be made up of several waves; it happened in Iran in 1953. When the first coup failed, they
had another one ready - and they succeeded."
In Ankara, the government claims the coup and the generals behind it are loyal followers of US-based
Islamic cleric Fethullah Gulen, who was once Erdogan's key ally before a major fallout in 2012. Many
believe that Gulen is the main cause of why Ankara officials have repeatedly accused the US of masterminding
the plot.
Gulen is running a multi-billion dollar enterprise in Saudi Arabia and has grown into a serious
bone of contention in Ankara-Riyadh ties. Saudi Arabia reserved condemnation of the coup in a suspicious
move. Later, reports surfaced the media that the top brass in Riyadh and Abu Dhabi – two strong allies
of the US with unbreakably intimate ties with each other in the Persian Gulf – were involved in the
coup.
Saudi whistle-blower Mujtahid, who is believed to be a member of or have a well-connected source
in the royal family, dislosed that senior government officials in Riyadh and Abu Dhabi had been informed
of the coup in Turkey long before it took place.
Mujtahid wrote on his twitter page on Monday that the UAE leaders had played a role in the coup
and the Turkish spy agencies have come to decode this involvement, adding that the UAE leaders had
also alerted the Saudis about the impending coup.
"Saudi Deputy Crown Prince and Defense Minister Mohammad bin Salman had been informed of the military
coup in Turkey," Mujtahid wrote on his twitter page on Monday.
"There are reasons to prove that given his intimate relations with Mohammad bin Zayed bin Sultan
Al-Nahyan (the Crown Prince of Abu Dhabi and Deputy Supreme Commander of the UAE Armed Forces), Mohammad
bin Salman had been filled with information about this coup," he added.
According to Mujtahid, Turkish intelligence agencies had received information about some negative
collaboration between bin Salman and bin Zayed, but the Saudis managed to convince the Justice and
Development party to rest assured and be optimistic about Riyadh's actions.
He revealed that bin Salman has been trying to convince the Turks to conceal the UAE's role in
the coup and has promised a large amount of cash in retribution.
The last week coup in Turkey is now growing into a major regional confrontation over Turkey's
shift in its Syria policy now. If confirmed, the Russian and Iranian aid to Erdogan would mean the
power balance and equations in the region ought to be redefined.
"... Nonetheless, the Platform Committee's debates last week were interesting to watch and a good barometer of where the Republican Party stands on certain issues. The interactions on foreign policy and national security were especially revealing, and they all led to the same conclusion: neoconservatives are still very much the leaders of the GOP's foreign-policy machinery. ..."
"... If they were driven by public opinion, then, the delegates would have brought the platform's national-security proposals in a less hawkish and more realist direction. But every single amendment from libertarian-esque and anti-interventionist delegate Eric Brakey was defeated by voice vote without much debate. ..."
In the grand scheme of things, a political party's platform is an insignificant document. The
Republican Party's platform this year doesn't change this; despite the media's fascination with
the fact that Donald Trump's border wall made its way into the platform, the document is still a
non-binding, ideological missive, more of a goodie bag for conservative activists than an
operational plan.
Nonetheless, the Platform Committee's debates last week were interesting to watch and a good
barometer of where the Republican Party stands on certain issues. The interactions on foreign
policy and national security were especially revealing, and they all led to the same conclusion:
neoconservatives are still very much the leaders of the GOP's foreign-policy machinery.
According to a May 2016 Pew Research Center survey, a majority of Americans would rather let
other countries deal with their own affairs (57 percent) than plunge manpower and money overseas
to help other countries confront their challenges (37 percent). 62 percent of Republicans
surveyed want the United States to start taking its own domestic problems more seriously, and Pew
reports that "roughly 55 percent of Republicans view global economic engagement negatively." In
addition, the single most consequential foreign-policy decision that neoconservatives have
made-the invasion and occupation of Iraq-has been labeled a failure by a majority of Americans.
If they were driven by public opinion, then, the delegates would have brought the platform's
national-security proposals in a less hawkish and more realist direction. But every single
amendment from libertarian-esque and anti-interventionist delegate Eric Brakey was defeated by
voice vote without much debate. International diplomacy, the life-blood of U.S. foreign
policy and the option of first resort, was largely overshadowed by provisions that resemble the
doomsday scenarios you would find in an apocalyptic Hollywood thriller.
... ... ...
Daniel R. DePetris is an analyst at Wikistrat, Inc., a geostrategic consulting firm, and a
freelance researcher. He has also written for CNN.com, Small Wars Journal, and the Diplomat.
"... [The world] respected our strengths, and when they saw to an exaggerated degree that we were not as strong as they thought, that Russia was "a colossus on clay legs," then the picture changed immediately, domestic and foreign enemies raised their heads, and the indifferent stopped paying attention to us. ..."
"... Dimitri K. Simes, publisher and CEO of the ..."
"... , is president of the Center for the National Interest. ..."
ONE REASON for avoiding a sense of inevitable confrontation with Russia is that
Moscow's truculence is primarily a function of what America does rather than
who it is. To the extent that Russia has an ideology, it is an assertive
nationalism that allows cooperation with any nation that does not challenge
Russian geopolitical interests or its system of government. Russia thus
maintains good relations with authoritarian countries like China and Qatar, and
with democracies like India and Israel. In part because its leaders are
pragmatic rather than messianic, Russia's authoritarianism is still relatively
soft and incorporates many democratic procedures including meaningful if not
entirely free or fair elections, a judicial branch that is autonomous most of
the time and a semi-independent media. Transitions to democracy in other
countries are only a problem for Russia's live-and-let-live foreign policy when
the Kremlin sees them as either destabilizing (as in some cases in the Middle
East) or anti-Russian (as in some cases in its immediate neighborhood).
While a U.S.-Russian conflict is not inevitable, Russia's estrangement from
the West after the Cold War probably stemmed from the unrealistic and
contrasting expectations held on both sides. When Mikhail Gorbachev and his
liberal allies like Foreign Minister Eduard Shevardnadze, Central Committee
Secretary Alexander Yakovlev, and foreign-policy aide Anatoly Chernyaev began
articulating and implementing Gorbachev's "new thinking," which emphasized
universal human values at the expense of national interests, they assumed that
the Soviet Union could cease being a global superpower, give up its system of
alliances, rely increasingly on foreign economic assistance and still benefit
from others' deference to Moscow as a key player in world affairs. If Soviet
leaders had consulted Russia's own history, they would have realized how
profoundly unrealistic their expectations were.
Sergei Witte, who became Russia's first constitutionally appointed prime
minister under Czar Nicholas II following the country's humiliating defeat in
the Russo-Japanese War, would have immediately foreseen what was to come. "It
was not because of our culture or our bureaucratic church or our wealth and
welfare that the world respected us," Witte wrote.
[The world] respected our strengths, and when they saw to an exaggerated
degree that we were not as strong as they thought, that Russia was "a colossus
on clay legs," then the picture changed immediately, domestic and foreign
enemies raised their heads, and the indifferent stopped paying attention to us.
Of course, the Soviet Union did not suffer a military defeat in the 1980s
like the Russian Empire's loss in 1905. Nor did the changes in Russian
government, policy and philosophy follow a domestic rebellion; instead, they
were imposed from the top by a leadership that decided it was on the wrong side
of history. Notwithstanding the motives of Gorbachev and, later, President
Boris Yeltsin, Western officials showed little gratitude for their roles in
destroying the Soviet empire once it became clear that a Russia collapsing upon
itself was unwilling to use force and had very little remaining economic
leverage. Similarly, while most Russians not only counted on massive Western
assistance but even thought of themselves as Western allies in destroying the
USSR, most in the West, particularly in central Europe, determined that the
time had finally come to act on historical grievances against Moscow or felt
that a weak, corrupt and unstable Russia did not deserve to be taken seriously,
much less accepted as an equal partner with the United States and the European
Union.
... ... ...
THE DARING combination of NATO expansion and growing interventionism further accentuated
Russia's alienation from the West. Remarkably, NATO failed to consider how its dramatically
different conduct would affect relations with Russia or world politics in general. With post–Cold
War triumphalism increasingly seeping into conventional wisdom, most assumed that when the United
States and major European powers wanted to do something in the international arena, they could
impose their will without significant costs. Though this new NATO assertiveness was not
deliberately directed against Russia, few within the alliance took seriously Moscow's
concerns-which were met by most with either indifference or contemptuous disregard. Rarely if
ever did U.S. leaders critically assess how they themselves would react if a powerful (and not
even necessarily hostile) alliance sought to add Canada and Mexico to its ranks while excluding
the United States.
... ... ...
Advocates of NATO expansion argued that Russia could not really object to the
process. Neither Washington nor anyone else signed an agreement with Gorbachev
or Yeltsin to limit NATO to its current membership, they said. And anyway, the
central and eastern European countries themselves were asking to join. Beyond
that, advocates said, expansion would actually make Russia more secure because
new members under NATO's security umbrella would be less afraid of their former
imperial master and would accordingly be better able to set aside their past
grievances to begin new relationships with Moscow. Since Yeltsin was
instrumental in achieving relatively peaceful independence for the Baltic
states by refusing to allow Russian citizens to participate in any military
action against them, some expected Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania to be
especially grateful. Nevertheless, all these arguments were either incomplete,
superficial or just plain wrong.
It is true that the George H. W. Bush
administration did not provide any formal guarantees that NATO would not expand
further east. That was perfectly appropriate since neither Gorbachev nor
Yeltsin asked for a legally binding agreement. Nevertheless, as their memoirs
and other documents make clear, President Bush, James Baker and Brent Scowcroft
may not have considered post-Communist Russia to be a superpower, but they did
view it as a friendly power. They intended to treat Moscow with respect and
dignity and to work to provide it what they saw as an appropriate place in the
new European security architecture. This attitude discouraged Gorbachev and
Yeltsin from insisting on legally binding guarantees.
... ... ...
In the absence of a serious foreign-policy debate, few Americans understood what an ambitious
project Washington was undertaking in allowing NATO's expansion and interventionism to proceed
blindly until the alliance had incorporated most of Europe. Yet looking at the last two centuries
of Europe's history, a nation or a group of nations has only attempted to dominate Europe three
times. Napoleon Bonaparte, World War I's victorious allies and the Third Reich each tried and
failed. Napoleon and Hitler were defeated by a countercoalition; the World War I allies created
an unsustainable security architecture in Europe that contributed to the rise of Nazism and World
War II. Moreover, while Westerners may believe that NATO's eastward expansion has been peaceful
and voluntary, Russians see it as inseparable from NATO's European and global military exploits.
How could bringing small new members into NATO and mollifying them outweigh the danger of
provoking Russia's anti-Western militarism?
... ... ...
Many say that without Ukraine Russia cannot be an empire. This is true, to a
point. Conversely, however, Russia's elite and much of its public believes that
Russia can never be secure if Ukraine becomes a hostile nation and particularly
if it joins a hostile alliance. Russian leaders have already seen how NATO's
new members have changed the character of the alliance in its dealings with
Moscow. A NATO influenced by not only Poland and the Baltic states, but also
Ukraine, may form an existential threat for Moscow. This in turn would place
both Ukraine's and NATO's security in terrible jeopardy-a development that
America should seek to avoid.
Relations between the two sides have
deteriorated to dangerous levels. It's in the U.S. national interest to explore
better relations with Russia from a position of strength, something that will
require both patience and realism in acknowledging that the effort may not
succeed. If Moscow refuses to oblige, Washington should do whatever is
necessary to protect its interests. Since this is likely to be risky and
costly, it should not be America's first choice.
Dimitri K. Simes, publisher and CEO of the National Interest,
is president of the Center for the National Interest.
This thread is interesting by presence of complete lunatics like
Brett Dunbar , who claims tha capitalism leads to peace.
Notable quotes:
"... Militarism is the belief or desire of a government or people that a country should maintain a strong military capability and be prepared to use it aggressively [^1] to defend or promote national interests ..."
"... Bringing Bush, Blair, and Aznar to justice would be the greatest deterrent for further war. I like the part about economic crimes. Justice brings peace. ..."
"... War is a tool of competition for resources. Think Iraq. ..."
"... the Nuremberg War Crimes tribunal hanged Nazis for doing exactly what Bush 2 and company did ..."
"... The Labour leader said last year Blair could face trial if the report found he was guilty of launching an illegal war. ..."
"... John Quiggin, I think your definition of militarism is flawed. I think that cultural attitudes and the social status of the military are very important as well. To paraphrase Andrew Bacevich, Militarism is the idea that military solutions to a country's problems are more effective than they really are. Militarism assumes that the military's way of running things is inherently correct. A militaristic society glorifies violence and the people who carry it out in the name of the state. ..."
"... They chose force first and dealt with the consequences later. So militarism can exist and flourish on a tight budget. Its all about mentality. ..."
"... The notion that capitalism is peaceful is preposterous, even if you accept the bizarre notion that only wars between the capitalist Great Powers really count as wars. It's true that it's tacitly presumed by many, perhaps most, learned authorities. But that is an indictment of the authorities, not a justification for the claim. The closely related claim that capitalism is responsible for technological advancement on inspection suggests that the real story is that technological progress enabled the European states to begin empires that funded capitalist development. ..."
"... Russia and China had achieved success in Central Asia, unlike the United States, by pursuing a respectful [sic] foreign policy based on mutual interest. ..."
"... Although the term 'global policeman' (or 'cops of the world') is mostly used ironically (in my experience), 'policeman' does have a straight meaning, denoting a person who operates under the authority of law, whereas the supreme Mafia capo is a law and authority unto himself, at least until someone assassinates him. I think this second metaphor more closely approximates the position and behavior of the present United States. ..."
100 years after the Battle of the Somme, it's hard to see that much has been learned from the
catastrophe of the Great War and the decades of slaughter that followed it. Rather than get bogged
down (yet again) in specifics that invariably decline into arguments about who know more of the historical
detail, I'm going to try a different approach, looking at the militarist ideology that gave us the
War, and trying to articulate an anti-militarist alternative.
Wikipedia offers a definition
of militarism which, with the deletion of a single weasel word, seems to be entirely satisfactory
and also seems to describe the dominant view of the political class, and much of the population in
nearly every country in the world.
Militarism is the belief or desire of a government or people that a country should maintain
a strong military capability and be prepared to use it
aggressively[^1] to defend or promote national
interests
Wikipedia isn't as satisfactory (to me) on
anti-militarism, so I'll
essentially reverse the definition above, and offer the following provisional definition
Anti-militarism is the belief or desire that a military expenditure should held to the minimum
required to protect a country against armed attack and that, with the exception of self-defense,
military power should not be used to promote national interests
I'd want to qualify this a bit, but it seems like a good starting point.
... ... ...
My case for anti-militarism has two main elements.
First, the consequentialist case against the discretionary use of military force is overwhelming.
Wars cause huge damage and destruction and preparation for war is immensely costly. Yet it is
just about impossible to find examples where a discretionary decision to go to war has produced
a clear benefit for the country concerned, or even for its ruling class. Even in cases where war
is initially defensive, attempts to secure war aims beyond the status quo ante have commonly led
to disaster.
Second, war is (almost) inevitably criminal since it involves killing and maiming people who
have done nothing personally to justify this; not only civilians, but soldiers (commonly including
conscripts) obeying the lawful orders of their governments.
Having made the strong case, I'll admit a couple of exceptions. First, although most of the above
has been posed in terms of national military power, there's nothing special in the argument that
requires this. Collective self-defense by a group of nations is justified (or not) on the same grounds
as national self-defense.
... ... ...
[^1]: The deleted word "aggressive" is doing a lot of work here. Almost no government ever admits
to being aggressive. Territorial expansion is invariable represented as the restoration of historically
justified borders while the overthrow of a rival government is the liberation of its oppressed people.
So, no one ever has to admit to being a militarist.
Is it obvious that limiting use of military force to self-defense entails a minimal capability
for force projection?
If the cost of entirely securing a nation's territory (Prof Q, you will
recognise the phrase "Fortress Australia") is very high relative to the cost of being able to
threaten an adversary's territorial interests in a way that is credible and meaningful – would
it not then be unavoidably tempting to appeal to an expanded notion of self-defence and buy a
force-projection capability, even if your intent is genuinely peaceful?
To speculate a little further – I would worry that so many people would need to be committed
to "national defence" on a purely defensive model that it would have the unintended side effect
of promoting a martial culture that normalises the use of armed force.
Of course, none of this applies if everyone abandons their force-projection capability – but
is that a stable equilibrium, even if it could be achieved?
Well, you'll be pleased to know that they're working hard on WWI's perception [1]. Many of us
working against militarism. Not easy. And the linked NYtimes piece is worth reading.
I think it'd make sense to talk about imperialism, rather than militarism. Military is just a
tool. One could, for example, bribe another country's military leaders, or finance a paramilitary
force in the targeted state, or just organize a violence-inciting mass-media campaign to produce
the same result.
We'd need an alternative history of the Cold War to work through the ramifications of a less aggressive
Western military. Russia would have developed nuclear weapons even if there hadn't been an army
at its borders, and the borders of the Eastern bloc were arguably more the result of opportunity
than necessity. The colonial wars in Vietnam and Afghanistan and everywhere else could be similarly
described.
After World War I, the chastened combatants sheepishly disarmed, cognizant of their
insanity. World War II taught a different lesson, perhaps because, in contrast to the previous
kerfuffle, both the Russian and American behemoths became fully engaged and unleashed their full
industrial and demographic might, sweeping their common foes from the field, and found themselves
confronting each other in dubious peace.
Both sides armed for the apocalypse with as many ways to bring about the end of civilization
as they could devise, all the while mindlessly meddling with each other around the globe. Eventually
the Russians gave up; their system really was as bad as we thought, and Moore's law is pitiless:
the gap expands exponentially. They've shrunk, and so has their military.
So why is America such a pre-eminent bully, able to defeat the rest of the world combined in
combat? Habit, pride, domestic politics, sure; but blame our allies as well. Britain and France
asked us to to kick ass in Libya, and Syria is not that different. We've got this huge death-dealing
machine and everyone tells us how to use it.
Ridiculous as it is, it's not nearly as bad as it was a hundred years ago, or seventy, or forty.
We may still be on course to extinguish human civilization, but warfare no longer looks like its
likely cause.
david 07.04.16 at 8:14 am
As you point out in fn1, nobody seems to ever fight "aggressive" wars. By the same token, there's
no agreed status quo ante. For France in 1913, the status quo ante bellum has Lorraine restored
to France. Also, Germany fractures into Prussia and everyone else, and the Germans should go back
to putting out local regionalist fires (as Austria-Hungary is busy doing) rather than challenging
French supremacy in Europe and Africa please.
The position advanced in the essay is one for
an era where ships do not hop from coaling station to coaling station, where the supremacy of
the Most Favoured Nation system means that powerful countries do not find their domestic politics
held hostage for access to raw materials controlled by other countries, where shipping lanes are
neutral as a matter of course, and where the Green Revolution has let rival countries be content
to bid, not kill, for limited resources. We can argue over whether this state of affairs is contingent
on the tiger-repelling rock or actual, angry tigers, but I don't think we disagree that this is
the state of affairs, at least for the countries powerful enough to matter.
But, you know, that's not advice that 1913 would find appealing, which is a little odd given
the conceit that this is about the Somme. The Concert of Europe bounced from war to war to war.
Every flag that permits war in this 'anti-militarist' position is met and then some. It was unending
crisis after crisis that miraculously never escalated to total war, but no country today would
regard crises of those nature as acceptable today – hundreds of thousands of Germans were besieging
Paris in 1870! Hundreds of thousands of Frenchmen were dead! If Napoleon III had the Bomb he would
have used it. But he did not. There was no three score years of postwar consumer economy under
the peaceful shadow of nuclear armageddon.
Anderson 07.04.16 at 9:07 am
3: "After World War I, the chastened combatants sheepishly disarmed, cognizant of their insanity."
One could only wish this were true. Germany was disarmed by force and promptly schemed for the
day it would rearm; Russia's civil war continued for some years; France and Britain disarmed because
they were broke, not because they'd recognized any folly.
… Quiggin, I don't know if you read Daniel Larison at The American Conservative; his domestic
politics would likely horrify us both, but happily
jake the antisoshul sohulist 07.04.16 at 1:32 pm
Other than the reference to "the redempive power of war", the mythification of the military
is not mentioned in the definition of militarism. I don't think a definition of militarism can
focus only on the political/policy aspects and ignore the cultural aspects.
Militarism is as much cultural as it is political, and likely even more so.
Theophylact 07.04.16 at 2:17 pm
Tacitus:
Auferre, trucidare, rapere, falsis nominibus imperium; atque, ubi solitudinem faciunt,
pacem appellant (To plunder, butcher, steal, these things they misname empire: they make a
desolation and they call it peace).
LFC 07.04.16 at 4:55 pm
from the OP:
100 years after the Battle of the Somme, it's hard to see that much has been learned from
the catastrophe of the Great War
The counterargument to this statement is that the world's 'great powers' did indeed learn
something from the Great War: namely, they learned that great-power war is a pointless
endeavor. Hitler of course didn't learn that, which is, basically, why WW2 happened. But there
hasn't been a great-power war - i.e., a sustained conflict directly between two or more
'great' or major powers - since WW2 (or some wd say the Korean War qualifies as a great-power
war, in which case 1953 wd be the date of the end of the last great-power war).
The next step is to extend the learned lesson about great-power war to other kinds of war.
That extension has proven difficult, but there's no reason to assume it's forever impossible.
-–
p.s. There are various extant definitions of 'great power', some of which emphasize factors
other than military power. For purposes of this comment, though, one can go with Mearsheimer's
definition: "To qualify as a great power, a state [i.e., country] must have sufficient
military assets to put up a serious fight in an all-out conventional war against the most
[militarily] powerful state in the world" (The Tragedy of Great Power Politics (2001), p.5).
Using this definition of 'great power', the last war in which two or more great powers
directly fought each other in any kind of sustained fashion (i.e. more than a short conflict
of roughly a week or two [or less]) was, as stated above, either WW2 or Korea (depending on
one's view of whether China qualified as a great power at the time of the Korean War).
Lupita 07.04.16 at 7:06 pm
ZM @ 7 quoting Mary Kaldor:
An emphasis on justice and accountability for war crimes, human rights violations and economic
crimes, is something that is demanded by civil society in all these conflicts. Justice is
probably the most significant policy that makes a human security approach different from
current stabilisation approaches.
Bringing Bush, Blair, and Aznar to justice would be the greatest deterrent for further
war. I like the part about economic crimes. Justice brings peace.
Kevin Cox 07.04.16 at 9:19 pm
The place to start is with the Efficient Market Hypothesis as the mechanism to allocate
resources. This hypothesis says that entities compete for markets. War is a tool of
competition for resources. Think Iraq.
Instead of allocating resources via markets let us allocate resources cooperatively via the
ideas of the Commons. Start with "Think like a Commoner: A short introduction to the Life of
the Commons" by David Bollier.
A country that uses this approach to the allocation of resources will not want to go to war
and will try to persuade other countries to use the same approach.
The place to start is with renewable energy. Find a way to "distribute renewable energy" based
on the commons and anti militarism will likely follow.
Anarcissie 07.05.16 at 12:31 am
Lupita 07.04.16 at 10:22 pm @ 46 -
While the Nuremberg War Crimes tribunal hanged Nazis for doing exactly what Bush 2 and
company did, I doubt if starting a war of aggression is against U.S. law in an
enforceable way. However, since the war was completely unjustified, I suppose Bush could be
charged with murder (and many other crimes). This sort of question is now rising in the UK
with regard to Blair because of the Chilcot inquiry.
Ze K 07.05.16 at 1:29 pm
Not in internal national politics, but in international law. There's something called
'crimes againt peace', for example. Obviously it's not there to prosecute leaders of
boss-countries, but theoretically it could. And, in fact, the fact that it's accepted that the
leaders of powerful countries are not to be procesuted is exactly a case of perversion of
justice you are talking about… no?
Anarcissie 07.05.16 at 1:56 pm
Watson Ladd 07.05.16 at 3:57 am @ 56 -
According to what I read at the time the US, or at least some of its leadership, encouraged
the Georgian leadership to believe that if they tried to knock off a few pieces of Russia, the
US would somehow back them up if the project didn't turn out as well as hoped. Now, I get this
from the same media that called the Georgian invasion of Russia 'Russian aggression' so it may
not be very reliable, but that's what was said, and the invasion of a state the size of Russia
by a state the size of Georgia doesn't make much sense unless the latter thought they were
going to get some kind of help if things turned out badly. I guess the model was supposed to
be the dismemberment of Yugoslavia, but bombing the hell out of Serbia is one thing and
bombing the hell out of Russia quite another.
It is interesting in regard to Georgia 2008 to trace the related career of Mr. Saakashvili,
who was then the president of Georgia, having replaced Mr. Shevardnadze in one of those color
revolutions, and was reported to have said that he wanted Georgia to become America's Israel
in central Asia. The Georgians apparently did not relish this proposed role once they found
out what it entailed and kicked him out. He subsequently popped up in Ukraine, where according
to Wikipedia he is the governor of the Odessa Oblast, whatever that means. Again, I get this
from our media, so it may all be lies; but it does seem to make a kind of sense which I
probably don't need to spell out.
Ze K 07.05.16 at 2:10 pm
No, south Ossetia was a part of Georgia. They were fighting for autonomy (Georgia is a bit
of an empire itself), and Russian peacekeeping troops were placed there to prevent farther
infighting. One day, Georgian military, encouraged by US neocons, started shelling South
Ossetian capital, killing, among other people, some of the Russian peacekeeprs, and this is
how the 2008 war started.
Ze K 07.05.16 at 2:31 pm
…a lot of these ethnic issues in Georgia are really the legacy of stalinism, when in many
places (Abkhazia, for sure) local populations suffered mass-repressions with ethnic Georgians
migrating there and becaming majorities (not to mention, bosses). Fasil Iskander, great Abkhaz
writer, described that. Once the USSR collapsed, it all started to unwind, and Georgia got
screwed. Oh well.
Anarcissie 07.05.16 at 4:34 pm
Ze K 07.05.16 at 2:38 pm @ 80 -
The Russian ruling class experimented with being the US ruling class's buddy in the 1990s,
sort of. It didn't work well for them. The destruction of Yugoslavia, the business in Abkhazia
and Ossetia, the coup in Ukraine, the American intervention in Syria which must seem (heh) as
if aimed at the Russian naval base at Tartus, the extensions of NATO, the ABMs, and so on,
these cannot have been reassuring. Reassurance then had to come from taking up bordering
territory, building weapons, and the like. Let us hope the Russian leadership do not also come
to the conclusion that the best defense is a good offense.
Lupita 07.05.16 at 5:52 pm
We're a nation of killers.
Justice can ameliorate that problem. For example, Pinochet being indicted, charged, and
placed under house arrest until his death (though never convicted) for crimes against
humanity, murder, torture, embezzlement, arms trafficking, drugs trafficking, tax fraud, and
passport forgery and, in Argentina, Videla getting a life sentence plus another 500 being
convicted with many cases still in progress, at the very least may give pause to those who
would kill and torture as a career enhancement move in these countries and, hopefully,
throughout Latin America. Maybe one of these countries can at least indict Kissinger for
Operación Cóndor and give American presidents something extra to plan for when planning their
covert operations.
For heads of state to stop behaving as if they were untouchable and people believing that they
are, we need more convictions, more accountability, more laws, more justice.
Asteele 07.05.16 at 7:42 pm
In a capitalist system if you can make money by impoverishing others you do it. There are
individual capitalists and firms that make money off of war, the fact that the public at large
sees no aggregate benefit in not a problem for them.
Anarcissie 07.05.16 at 8:35 pm
LFC 07.05.16 at 5:28 pm @ 85 -
I think that, on the evidence, one must doubt (to put it mildly) that either the Russian or
the American leadership care whether Mr. Assad is a nice person or not. They have not worried
much about a lot of other not-nice people over recent decades as long as the not-nice people
seemed to serve their purposes. Hence I can only conclude that the business in Syria, which
goes back well before the appearance of the Islamic State, is dependent on some other
variable, like maybe the existence of a Russian naval base in mare nostrum. I'm just guessing,
of course; more advanced conspiratists see Israeli, Iranian, Saudi, and Turkish connections.
Note as well that the business in Ukraine involved a big Russian naval base. And I used to
heard it said that navies were obsolete!
ZM 07.06.16 at 7:06 am
There has been coverage in The Guardian about the Chilcot report into the UK military
interventions in Iraq.
"The former civil servant promised that the report would answer some of the questions raised
by families of the dead British soldiers. "The conversations we've had with the families were
invaluable in shaping some of the report," Chilcot said.
Some of the families will be at the launch of the report at the Queen Elizabeth II Centre, at
Westminster. Others will join anti-war protesters outside who are calling for Blair to be
prosecuted for alleged war crimes at the international criminal court in The Hague.
Speaking to BBC Radio 4's Today programme on Wednesday, Karen Thornton, whose son Lee was
killed in Iraq in 2006, said she was convinced that Blair had exaggerated intelligence about
Iraq's capabilities.
"If it is proved that he lied then obviously he should be held accountable for it," she said,
adding that meant a trial for war crimes. "He shouldn't be allowed to just get away with it,"
she said. But she did not express confidence that Chilcot's report would provide the
accountability that she was hoping for. "Nobody's going to be held to account and that's so
wrong," she said. "We just want the truth."
Chilcot insisted that any criticism would be supported by careful examination of the evidence.
"We are not a court – not a judge or jury at work – but we've tried to apply the highest
possible standards of rigorous analysis to the evidence where we make a criticism."
…
Jeremy Corbyn, who will respond to the report in parliament on Wednesday, is understood to
have concluded that international laws are neither strong nor clear enough to make any war
crimes prosecution a reality. The Labour leader said last year Blair could face trial if
the report found he was guilty of launching an illegal war.
Corbyn is expected to fulfil a promise he made during his leadership campaign to apologise on
behalf of Labour for the war. He will speak in the House of Commons after David Cameron, who
is scheduled to make a statement shortly after 12.30pm. "
Only Tony Blair could read the Chilcot report and claim it vindicates his conduct.
LFC 07.06.16 at 5:48 pm
B. Dunbar @123
Interstate wars have declined, and the 'logic' you identify might be one of various reasons
for that.
The wars dominating the headlines today - e.g. Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan,
Ukraine/Donetsk/Russia - are not, however, classic interstate wars. They are either civil wars
or 'internationalized' civil wars or have a civil-war aspect. Thus the 'logic' of
business-wants-peace-and-trade doesn't really apply there. Apple doesn't want war w China but
Apple doesn't care that much whether there is a prolonged civil war in Sri Lanka, Afghanistan,
etc.
So even if one accepted the argument that 'capitalism' leads to peace, we'd be left w a set of
wars to which the argument doesn't apply. I don't have, obvs., the answer to the current
conflicts. I think (as already mentioned) that there are some steps that might prove helpful
in general if not nec. w.r.t. specific conflict x or y.
The Kaldor remark about reversing the predatory economy - by which I take it she means, inter
alia, black-market-driven, underground, in some cases criminal commerce connected to war - is
suggestive. Easier said than done, I'm sure. Plus strengthening peacekeeping. And one cd come
up w other things, no doubt.
Ze K 07.06.16 at 6:35 pm
@120, 121, yes, Georgians living in minority areas did suffer. But ethnic
cleansing/genocides that would've most likely taken place should the Georgian government have
had its way were prevented. Same as Crimea and Eastern Ukraine two years ago. This is not too
difficult to understand – if you try – is it? Similarly (to Georgians in Abkhasia) millions of
ethnic Russians suffered in the new central Asian republics, in Chechnya (all 100% were
cleansed, many killed), and, in a slightly softer manner, in the Baltic republics… But that's
okay with you, right? Well deserved? It's only when Abkhazs attack Georgians, then it's the
outrage, and only because Russia was defending the Abkhazs, correct?
Lupita 07.07.16 at 3:23 pm
My impression since yesterday is that, while Brits are making a very big deal out of the
Chilcot report, with much commentary about how momentous it is and the huge impact it will
have, coverage of this event by the US media is notoriously subdued, particularly compared
with the hysterical coverage Brexit got just some days ago. This leads me to believe that it
is indeed justice that is feared the most by western imperialists such as Bush, Blair, Howard,
Aznar, and Kwaśniewski and the elites that supported them and continue to cover up for them. I
take this cowardly and creepy silence in the US media as an indicator that Pax Americana is so
weakened that it cannot withstand the light of justice being shined upon it and that the end
is near.
Anarcissie 07.07.16 at 3:46 pm
Lupita 07.07.16 at 3:23 pm @ 147 - For the kind of people in the US who pay attention to
such things, the Chilcot Report is not really news. And the majority don't care, as witness
the fortunes of the Clintons.
Anarcissie 07.08.16 at 12:25 am
Brett Dunbar 07.07.16 at 11:47 pm @ 160 -
If capitalist types are so totally against war, it's hard to understand why the grand
poster child of capitalism, the plutocratic United States, is so addicted to war. It is hard
to consider it an aberration when the US has attacked dozens of countries not threatening it
over the last fifty or sixty years, killed or injured or beggared or terrorized millions of
noncombatants, and maintains hundreds of overseas bases and a world-destroying nuclear
stockpile. What could the explanation possibly be?
As human powers of production increase, at least in potential, existing scarcities of basic
goods such as food, medicine, and housing are overcome. If people now become satisfied with
their standard of living - not totally satisfied, but satisfied enough not to sweat and strain
all the time for more - sales, profits, and employment will fall, and capitalists will become
less important. In order to retain their ruling-class role, there needs to be a constant
crisis of production-consumption which only the capitalist masters of industry can solve.
Hence new scarcities must be produced. The major traditional methods of doing this have been
imperialism, war, waste, and consumerism (including advertising). Conceded, major processes of
environmental destruction such as climate change and the vitiating of antibiotics may lead to
powerful new self-reinforcing scarcities which will take their place next to their traditional
relatives, so that producing new scarcities would be less of a problem.
Anarcissie 07.08.16 at 2:30 am
LFC 07.08.16 at 1:30 am @ 163:
'OTOH, I don't think capitalism esp. needs war to create this kind of scarcity….'
But then one must explain why the major capitalist powers have engaged in so much of it, since
it is so dirty and risky. I suppose one possible explanation is that whoever has the power to
do so engages in it, capitalist or not; it is hardly a recent invention. However, I am mindful
of the position of the US at the end of World War 2, with 50% of the worlds total productive
capacity. Bliss was it in that dawn to be alive! So war turned out to be pretty handy for some
people. And now we have lots of them.
Matt_L 07.08.16 at 3:32 am
John Quiggin, I think your definition of militarism is flawed. I think that cultural
attitudes and the social status of the military are very important as well. To paraphrase
Andrew Bacevich, Militarism is the idea that military solutions to a country's problems are
more effective than they really are. Militarism assumes that the military's way of running
things is inherently correct. A militaristic society glorifies violence and the people who
carry it out in the name of the state.
I also think that just reducing military spending or the capacity for military action is
not enough to counter serious militarism. Austria-Hungary was a very militaristic society, but
it spent the less on armaments than the other European Powers in the years leading up to 1914.
The leaders of the Austro-Hungarian Dual Monarchy caused World War One by invading Serbia for
a crime committed by a Bosnian Serb subject of the Monarchy. They had some good guesses that
the Serbian military intelligence was involved, but not a lot of proof.
Franz Joseph and the other leaders chose to solve a foreign policy problem by placing armed
force before diplomacy and a complete criminal investigation. Their capacity to wage war
relative to the other great powers of Europe did not enter into their calculations. They
chose force first and dealt with the consequences later. So militarism can exist and flourish
on a tight budget. Its all about mentality.
stevenjohnson 07.08.16 at 9:29 pm
"Great Power warfare became a lot less common after 1815, at the same point that the most
advanced of the great powers developed capitalism."
In Europe, locus of the alleged Long Peace, there were the Greek Rebellion; the First and
Second Italian Wars of Independence; the First and Second Schleswig Wars; the Seven Weeks War;
the Crimean War; the Franco-Prussian War; the First and Second Balkan Wars. Wars between a
major capitalist state and another well established modern state included the Opium Wars; the
Mexican War; the French invasion of Mexico; the War of the Triple Alliance; the War of the
Pacific; the Spanish-American War; the Russo-Japanese War. Assaults by the allegedly peaceful
capitalist nations against non-state societies or weak traditional states are too numerous to
remember, but the death toll was enormous, on a scale matching the slaughter of the World
Wars.
Further the tensions between the Great Powers threatened war on numerous occasions, such as
conflict over the Oregon territory; the Aroostook "war;" the Trent Affair; two Moroccan
crises; the Fashoda Incident…again, these are too numerous to remember.
The notion that capitalism is peaceful is preposterous, even if you accept the bizarre
notion that only wars between the capitalist Great Powers really count as wars. It's true that
it's tacitly presumed by many, perhaps most, learned authorities. But that is an indictment of
the authorities, not a justification for the claim. The closely related claim that capitalism
is responsible for technological advancement on inspection suggests that the real story is
that technological progress enabled the European states to begin empires that funded
capitalist development.
Hidari 07.09.16 at 11:13 am
' Capitalist states tend to avoid war with their trading partners.'
This has an element of truth in it, but it can be parsed in a number of ways. For example,
'Rich, powerful countries tend to avoid war with other rich, powerful countries'. After all,
in the 2nd half of the 20th century, the US avoided going to war with Russia, despite having
clear economic interests in doing so (access to natural resources, markets) mainly because
Russia was strong (not least militarily) and the cost-benefit matrix never made sense (i.e.
from the Americans' point of view).
A much stronger case can be made that self-proclaimed Socialist states tend not to go to war
with each other. After all, there were big fallings out between the socialist (or 'socialist',
depending on your point of view) countries in the 20th century but they rarely turned to war,
and when they did (Vietnam-Cambodia, Vietnam-China) they were short term and relatively
limited in scope. The Sino-Soviet split was a split, not a war.
But again this is probably not the best way to look at it. A much stronger case can be made
that the basic reason for the non-appearance of a Chinese-Russian war was simply the size and
population of those countries. The risks outweighed any potential benefits.
Of course, between 1914 and 1945, lots of capitalist states went to war with each other.
Anarcissie 07.09.16 at 3:22 pm
Layman 07.09.16 at 2:59 pm @ 188 -
One explanation, I think already given, is that the capitalist powers were too busy with
imperial seizures in what we now call the Third World to fight one another. In the New World,
the United States and some South American states were busy annihilating the natives, speaking
of ethnic cleansing. If capitalism is a pacific influence, the behavior of the British and
American ruling classes since 1815 seems incomprehensible, right down to the present: the
plutocrat Clinton ought to be the peace candidate, not the scary war freak.
Hidari 07.09.16 at 5:44 pm
Surely (assuming that it's real) the decline in wars in some parts of the world since 1945
is because of the Pax Americana?
Most countries are too frightened to attack (at least directly) the United States. There is a
sense in which the US really is the 'Global Policeman'.
…WaPo continues that Trump is "broadly noninterventionist, questioning the need for the North
Atlantic Treaty Organization and calling for Europe to play a larger role in ensuring its
security." Page, too, "has regularly criticized U.S. intervention":
In one article for Global Policy Journal, he wrote, "From U.S. policies toward Russia to Iran
to China, sanctimonious expressions of moral superiority stand at the root of many problems
seen worldwide today."
Page wrote that the war in eastern Ukraine was "precipitated by U.S. meddling in the Maidan
revolution…
And so, here we are: Trump is the lesser evil in this cycle. Vote Trump, save the world.
LFC 07.10.16 at 2:40 pm
Hidari @192
Surely (assuming that it's real) the decline in wars in some parts of the world since 1945
is because of the Pax Americana?
Started to write a long reply but decided no point. Shorter version: reasons for no
WW2-style-war in Europe from '45 to '90 are multiple; 'pax Americana' only one factor of many.
End of CW was destabilizing in various ways (e.g., wars in ex-Yugoslavia) but so far not
enough to reverse the overall trend in Europe. Decline in destructiveness of conflict in some
(not all) other parts of the world has to do in large part w change in nature/type of conflict
(sustained interstate wars have traditionally been the most destructive and they don't happen
much or at all anymore, for reasons that are somewhat debatable, but, again, pax Americana wd
be only one of multiple reasons, if that).
LFC 07.10.16 at 2:54 pm
Re Carter Page (see Ze K @194)
Page refused [speaking in Moscow] refused to comment specifically on the U.S. presidential
election, his relationship with Trump or U.S. sanctions against Russia, saying he was in
Russia as a "private citizen." He gave a lecture, titled "The Evolution of the World Economy:
Trends and Potential," in which he noted that Russia and China had achieved success in
Central Asia, unlike the United States, by pursuing a respectful [sic] foreign policy based on
mutual interest.
He generally avoided questions on U.S. foreign policy, but when one attendee asked him
whether he really believed the United States was a "liberal, democratic society," Page told
him to "read between the lines."
"If I'm understanding the direction you're coming from, I tend to agree with you that it's
not always as liberal as it may seem," he said. "I'm with you."
In a meeting with The Washington Post editorial board in March, Trump named Page, a former
Merrill Lynch executive in Moscow who later advised the Russian state energy giant Gazprom on
major oil and gas deals, as one of his foreign policy advisers. Page refused to say whether
his Moscow trip included a meeting with Russian officials. He is scheduled to deliver a
graduation address Friday at the New Economic School, a speech that some officials are
expected to attend.
Above quote is from the Stars & Stripes piece, evidently republished from WaPo, linked at the
'Washington's Blog' that Ze K linked to.
If you want to put for. policy in the hands of the likes of Carter Page (former Merrill Lynch
exec., Gazprom adviser), vote Trump all right.
HRC's for. policy advisers may not be great, but I don't think this guy Page is better. He
does have connections to the Russian govt as a past consultant, apparently, which is no doubt
why Ze K is so high on him.
Ze K 07.10.16 at 3:16 pm
You bet this guy Page is better. Anyone is better.
And why would I care at all (let alone "no doubt") if he was a Gazprom consultant? What the
fuck was that supposed to mean? Asshole much?
LFC 07.10.16 at 5:25 pm
And why would I care at all (let alone "no doubt") if he was a Gazprom consultant?
B.c Gazprom is a Russian state-owned company and a fair inference from your many comments on
this blog (not just this thread but others) is that you are, in general, favorably disposed to
the present Russian govt. and its activities. Not Gazprom in particular necessarily, but the
govt in general. You make all these comments and then get upset when they are read to say what
they say.
You consistently attack HRC as a war-monger, as corrupt etc. You consistently say anyone wd
be better. "Vote Trump save the world." You said there was no Poland in existence in '39 when
the USSR invaded it. Your comments and exchanges in this thread are here for anyone to read,
so I don't have to continue.
Ze K 07.10.16 at 5:44 pm
"You make all these comments and then get upset when they are read to say what they
say. "
You're right; come to think of it, you've been into slimeball-style slur for a while now,
and I should've gotten used to it already, and just ignored you. Fine, carry on.
Anarcissie 07.11.16 at 2:19 am
@Hidari 07.10.16 at 2:57 pm @ 197 -
Although the term 'global policeman' (or 'cops of the world') is mostly used ironically
(in my experience), 'policeman' does have a straight meaning, denoting a person who operates
under the authority of law, whereas the supreme Mafia capo is a law and authority unto
himself, at least until someone assassinates him. I think this second metaphor more closely
approximates the position and behavior of the present United States.
Brexit was a vote against London, globalization and multiculturalism as much as a vote against
Europe.
London is the world's single most important center of global finance - though that may be at
risk now. With the surrounding southeast region, it dominates the United Kingdom's economic
growth. It has some of the world's most expensive real estate and richest residents - and
absentee property owners. It is one of the world's most cosmopolitan cities. It is home to about
1 million continental Europeans. And it voted overwhelmingly to remain in the European Union. The
rest of England did not.
"... John Lukacs, the Hungarian-American historian, has spent a lifetime arguing that nationalism-not socialism, or even liberalism-is the core ideology of modernity, and that the lesson of history is that nationalism will assert itself, like an unquenchable microbe, anytime it has the least opportunity. ..."
What was really at stake was a closed vision of the future against a cosmopolitan one. The
divide was much less the prosperous versus the poor than it was city versus small towns, the
well-educated versus those without advanced degrees, and, most of all, the young versus the old.
Economic insecurity was, obviously, one of the things that drove the vote, but nostalgic
nationalism drove it more, and what was really striking was that the struggling young took it for
granted that the way toward a better future lay in ever-more European and planetary
consciousness, not in closing it down. The vote was intolerably cruel in particular to the
twentysomethings of Britain, many of whom did not hesitate to protest. They had gone to sleep on
Thursday evening with all the world, or at least with all of Europe, before them, as citizens
with possible futures in twenty-eight nations; they woke on Friday morning to be told that their
future would contract to one nation, and that one possibly shrinking before their eyes, right to
the Scottish border.
... ... ...
At this moment, two irascible émigrés from the past century of European tragedies might come
to mind. John Lukacs, the Hungarian-American historian, has spent a lifetime arguing that
nationalism-not socialism, or even liberalism-is the core ideology of modernity, and that the
lesson of history is that nationalism will assert itself, like an unquenchable microbe, anytime
it has the least opportunity. (He also draws the distinction between patriotism-the love of
place and tradition and a desire to see its particularities thrive-and true nationalism, which is
a vengeful, irrational certainty that the alien outside or even within a country's borders is
responsible for some humiliation to the true nation.) This pessimistic strain was matched by that
of Karl Popper, the Austrian-Anglo philosopher, who saw that what he named the "open society,"
though essential to the transmission of humane values and the growth of knowledge, can impose
great strains on its citizens-strains of lost identity, certainty, tribal wholeness. The reaction
to this strain is inevitable, and sure. What keeps an open society from being overturned is only
the balm of ever-increased prosperity; when prosperity ends or is endangered, all the bad demons
come out of the forest. In this much broader sense, it may be prosperity that makes pluralism
possible. Economics alone don't drive the ideology of nationalism, but without prosperity it has
more room to bloom. Meanwhile, nationalism won't just go away, and open, liberal societies are
far more fragile than their success can make them seem-and these two sad truths seem to need
perpetual restating, or the lights really will go out across Europe.
Whether it's having any effect will not be known until the vote on Thursday. What is known,
what the debate over the referendum has demonstrated with great clarity, is that there is in
Britain a populist strain of the sort that has brought nationalist governments to Hungary and
Poland, helped right-wing parties make strong showings in France and some other European
countries - and, in America, done much to promote the cause of Donald Trump. In the United States
and Britain, a relatively normal electoral process became seized with populist nationalism and
increasingly immune to normal political discourse.
In Britain, Prime Minister David Cameron announced back in 2013 that he would hold a referendum
on E.U. membership largely to mollify euroskeptics in his Conservative Party, presuming that
Britons would vote to stay in. Before long, a similar demographic gathered on the "Leave" side in
Britain and the Trump side in America - workers who felt alienated by a globalizing and changing
world, who felt politicians had ceased listening to them, who were convinced that tides of
foreigners were threatening their livelihood and identity.
And so the British referendum has become something of a battleground for all Western democracies
where anti-immigrant hostilities are building.
And even if the "Remain" side prevails on Thursday and Mr. Trump is decisively rejected in
November, Western democracies will need to take a long, hard look at the social divide, the
insecurities, the alienation, the nationalism and racism that have invaded so many political
battlegrounds.
"... Britain's vote to exit the European Union reflected a resurgence of far-right nationalism that was adding pressure on countries to shore up their borders, ..."
"... countries facing an increased desire for national identity, and the growing anti-globalization sentiment that was driving them to be more assertive about protecting their markets. ..."
Britain's vote to exit the European Union reflected a resurgence of far-right nationalism
that was adding pressure on countries to shore up their borders, said Singapore's Defence
Minister Ng Eng Hen.
The challenge for Singapore in the face of the Brexit vote, Ng said, will be to stay neutral and
not judge those countries facing an increased desire for national identity, and the growing
anti-globalization sentiment that was driving them to be more assertive about protecting their
markets.
"There is a resurgence of what pundits and political analysts call far-right, a rising
nationalism, which is a reaction hearkened to so-called 'good old days', not remembering that the
good old days also have many, many bad points," Ng told reporters at a media conference ahead of
Singapore Armed Forces day. "We want to be neutral, in terms of not being judgmental because this
is as history goes. But nonetheless, it is a challenge," he said.
As terrorism continues to represent a clear and present threat, Ng, 57, said no country was
immune to the defects of home-grown terrorism, and emphasized the need for international
cooperation to combat the heightened threat of global terrorism.
"You can monitor closely your borders, you can even close off your borders but homegrown
terrorism is something else. It is very hard to protect against lone wolves or wolf-pack attacks
-- somebody who is radicalized, who has really not been contacted physically by somebody outside
their own country," he said.
When the Brexit referendum is done, tens of millions of
Britons will likely have registered a vote against the liberal vision of European unity and
assimilation. In this country, even after the disastrous past few weeks Donald Trump has
had, a
new opinion poll, from Quinnipiac University, indicates that in crucial states like
Ohio and Pennsylvania he remains statistically tied with Hillary Clinton.
Why is this happening? Trump and his counterpart in
Britain, the U.K. Independence Party (UKIP) leader Nigel Farage, didn't
emerge from nowhere. Both are wealthy men who affect an affinity with the common people,
and who have skillfully exploited a deep well of resentment among working-class and
middle-class voters, some of whom have traditionally supported left-of-center parties.
Certainly, a parallel factor in both men's rise is racism, or, more specifically, nativism.
Trump has presented a nightmarish vision of America overrun by Mexican felons and Muslim
terrorists. UKIP printed up campaign posters that showed thousands of
dark-colored refugees lining up to enter Slovenia, which is part of the E.U., next to the
words "BREAKING POINT: The EU has failed us all." But racism and nationalism
have both been around for a long time, as have demagogues who try to exploit them. In
healthy democracies, these troublemakers are confined to the fringes.
Historically, transforming radical parties of the right (or
left) into mass movements has required some sort of disaster, such as a major war or an
economic depression. Europe in the early twentieth century witnessed both, with cataclysmic
results. After the First World War, the introduction of social democracy, the socioeconomic
system that most Western countries settled on, delivered steadily rising living standards,
which helped to keep the extremists at bay. If prosperity wasn't shared equally-and it
wasn't-egalitarian social norms and redistributive tax systems blunted some of the
inequities that go along with free-market capitalism.
But in the past few decades Western countries have been
subjected to a triad of forces that, while not as visible or dramatic as wars and
depressions, have proved equally destabilizing: globalization, technical progress, and a
political philosophy that embraces both. In the United States, it is no coincidence that
Trump is doing well in the Rust Belt and other deindustrialized areas. A one-two punch of
automation and offshoring has battered these regions, leaving many of their residents
ill-equipped to prosper in today's economy. Trump is exploiting the same economic anxieties
and resentments that helped Bernie Sanders, another critic of globalization and free trade,
carry the Michigan Democratic primary.
"There is no excuse for supporting a racist, sexist,
xenophobic buffoon like Donald Trump," Dean Baker, an economist and blogger at the liberal
Center for Economic and Policy Research, in Washington,
noted recently. "But we should be clear; the workers who turn to him do have real
grievances. The system has been rigged against them."
Similarly, it is not an accident that UKIP
is popular in the former mill towns of northern England, in the engineering belt of the
West Midlands, and in working-class exurbs of London. "Children emerging from the primary
school next door, almost all from ethnic minorities, are just a visible reminder for anyone
seeking easy answers to genuine grievance," the Guardian's Polly Toynbee wrote,
last week, after a visit to Barking, in Essex, which is close to a big car factory
owned by Ford. "As high-status Ford jobs are swapped for low-paid warehouse work,
indignation is diverted daily against migrants by the Mail, Sun, Sunday Times and the rest.
. . . This is the sound of Britain breaking."
For the past half century, the major political parties,
on both sides of the Atlantic, have promulgated the idea that free trade and globalization
are the keys to prosperity. If you pressed the mainstream economists who advise these
parties, they might concede that trade creates losers as well as winners, and that the
argument for ever more global integration implicitly assumes that the winners will
compensate the losers. But the fact that such a sharing of the gains has been sorely
lacking was regarded as a relatively minor detail, and certainly not as a justification for
calling a halt to the entire process.
If you are reading this post, the likelihood is that you,
like me, are one of the winners. Highly educated, professional people tend to work in
sectors of the economy that have benefitted from the changes in the international division
of labor (e.g., finance, consulting, media, tech) or have been largely spared the rigors of
global competition (e.g., law, medicine, academia). From a secure perch on the economic
ladder, it is easy to celebrate the gains that technology and globalization have brought,
such as a cornucopia of cheap goods in rich countries and rising prosperity in poor ones.
It's also tempting to dismiss the arguments of people who ignore the benefits of this
process, or who can't see that it is irreversible.
But, as Baker points out, "it is a bit hypocritical of
those who have benefited" from this economic transformation to be "mocking the poor
judgment of its victims"-especially now that the forces of global competition and
technological progress are reaching into areas that were previously protected. In a world
of self-driving cars and trucks, what is the future for truck drivers, cab and limo
drivers, and delivery men? Not a very prosperous one, surely. And the creative destruction
that the Austrian economist Joseph Schumpeter celebrated won't stop there. With software
that can transfer money at zero cost, medical robots that can carry out the most delicate
of operations, and smart algorithms that can diagnose diseases or dispense legal advice,
what is the future for bankers, surgeons, doctors, lawyers, and other professionals?
There is no straightforward answer to this question, just
as there is no easy answer to the question of what can be done to help those who have
already lost out. One option is to strengthen the social safety net and, perhaps, to move
toward some sort of universal basic income, which would guarantee a minimum standard of
living to everybody, regardless of employment prospects. The political enactment of such
solutions, however, is contingent on the existence of social solidarity, which the very
process of economic and technological change, by heightening inequalities and
eroding communal institutions, undermines.
Lacking grounds for optimism, and feeling remote from the
levers of power, the disappointed nurse their grievances-until along come politicians who
tell them that they are right to be angry, that their resentments are justified, and that
they should be mad not just at the winners but at immigrants, too. Trump and Farage are the
latest and most successful of these political opportunists. Sadly, they are unlikely to be
the last.
"... In Bernie Sanders's fulminations against corporate and financial elites one hears echoes of the radical-leftist rhetoric in Greece and Italy against EU banking elites. ..."
"... And as "Brexit" swept the native-born English outside of multiracial, multiethnic, multicultural, multilingual London, populist-nationalist Donald Trump and antiestablishment Ted Cruz swept the native-born white working and middle classes in the primaries. ..."
"... In Britain, all the mainstream parties-Labor, Tory, Liberal Democrat, Scottish National-supported "Remain." All lost. ..."
"... In the past six months, millions of Democrats voted for a 74-year-old socialist against the establishment choice, Hillary Clinton, as Bush-Romney-Ryan Republicanism was massively repudiated in the Republican primaries. ..."
"... As Trump said last week, "We got here because we switched from a policy of Americanism-focusing on what's good for America's middle class-to a policy of globalism, focusing on how to make money for large corporations who can move their wealth and workers to foreign countries all to the detriment of the American worker and the American economy." ..."
Some of us have long predicted the breakup of the European Union. The Cousins appear to have just
delivered the
coup de grace
.
While Scotland and Northern Ireland voted to remain in the
EU, England voted for independence. These people, with their unique history, language, and culture,
want to write their own laws and rule themselves.
The English wish to remain who they are, and they do not want their country to become, in Theodore
Roosevelt's phrase, "a polyglot boarding house" for the world.
From patriots of all nations, congratulations are in order.
It will all begin to unravel now, over there, and soon over here.
Across Europe, tribalism, of all strains, is resurgent. Not only does the EU appear to be breaking
up, countries appear about to break up.
Scotland will seek a second referendum to leave the UK. The French National Front of Marine Le
Pen and the Dutch Party for Freedom both want out of the EU. As Scots seek to secede from the UK,
Catalonia seeks to secede from Spain, Veneto from Italy, and Flemish nationalists from Belgium.
Ethnonationalism seems everywhere ascendant. Yet, looking back in history, is this not the way
the world has been going for some centuries now?
The disintegration of the EU into its component nations would follow, as Vladimir Putin helpfully
points out, the dissolution of the USSR into 15 nations, and the breakup of Yugoslavia into seven.
Czechoslovakia lately split in two. The Donbass seeks to secede from Ukraine. Is that so different
from Transnistria splitting off from Romania, Abkhazia and South Ossetia seceding from Georgia, and
Chechnya seeking separation from Russia?
After World War II came the disintegration of the French and British empires and birth of dozens
of new nations in Africa, Asia, and the Middle East. America returned the Philippine islands to their
people.
The previous century saw the collapse of the Spanish Empire and birth of a score of new nations
in our own hemisphere.
In Xi Jinping's China and Putin's Russia, nationalism is rising, even as China seeks to repress
Uighur and Tibetan separatists.
People want to rule themselves, and be themselves, separate from all others. Palestinians want
their own nation. Israelis want "a Jewish state."
On Cyprus, Turks and Greeks seem happier apart.
Kurds are fighting to secede from Turkey and Iraq, and perhaps soon from Syria and Iran. Afghanistan
appears to be splintering into regions dominated by Pashtuns, Hazaras, Uzbeks, and Tajiks.
Eritrea has left Ethiopia. South Sudan has seceded from Khartoum.
Nor is America immune to the populist sentiments surging in Europe.
In Bernie Sanders's fulminations against corporate and financial elites one hears echoes of
the radical-leftist rhetoric in Greece and Italy against EU banking elites.
And as "Brexit" swept the native-born English outside of multiracial, multiethnic, multicultural,
multilingual London, populist-nationalist Donald Trump and antiestablishment Ted Cruz swept the native-born
white working and middle classes in the primaries.
In Britain, all the mainstream parties-Labor, Tory, Liberal Democrat, Scottish National-supported
"Remain." All lost.
Nigel Farage's UK Independence Party alone won.
In the past six months, millions of Democrats voted for a 74-year-old socialist against the
establishment choice, Hillary Clinton, as Bush-Romney-Ryan Republicanism was massively repudiated
in the Republican primaries.
As Trump said last week, "We got here because we switched from a policy of Americanism-focusing
on what's good for America's middle class-to a policy of globalism, focusing on how to make money
for large corporations who can move their wealth and workers to foreign countries all to the detriment
of the American worker and the American economy."
Yesterday, news arrived that in May alone, the U.S. had run a trade deficit in goods of $60 billion.
This translates into an annual deficit of $720 billion in goods, or near 4 percent of our GDP wiped
out by purchases of foreign-made rather than U.S.-made goods.
In 40 years, we have not run a trade surplus. The most self-sufficient republic in all of history
now relies for its necessities upon other nations.
What might a Trumpian policy of Americanism over globalism entail?
A 10 to 20 percent tariff on manufactured goods to wipe out the trade deficit in goods, with the
hundreds of billions in revenue used to slash or eliminate corporate taxes in the USA.
Every U.S. business would benefit. Every global company would have an incentive not only to move
production here, but its headquarters here.
An "America first" immigration policy would secure the border, cut legal immigration to tighten
U.S. labor markets, strictly enforce U.S. laws against those breaking into our country, and get tough
with businesses that make a practice of hiring people here illegally.
In Europe and America, corporate, financial, and political elites are increasingly disrespected
and transnationalism is receding. An anti-establishment, nationalist, populist wave is surging across
Europe and the USA.
It is an anti-insider, anti-Clinton wave, and Trump could ride it to victory.
"... The case for ambitious trade deals, Dr. Prasad said, is that they allow the United States to set the rules for its dealings with other countries, and to wield greater geopolitical influence. Yet those arguments are easily overshadowed by the simple, if dubious, assertion that the losses to the American economy from these deals are greater than the benefits. ..."
When President Obama travels to North Carolina and Europe this week, he will press an argument
that could define foreign policy in the last six months of his presidency: that Americans and
Europeans must not forsake their open, interconnected societies for the nativism and nationalism
preached by Donald J. Trump or Britain's Brexiteers.
Few presidents have put more faith than Mr. Obama in the power of words to persuade audiences to
accept a complex idea, whether it is the morality of a just war or the imperfect nature of
American society. Yet countering the anti-immigration and anti-free-trade slogans in this
election year will require all of his oratorical skills.
Mr. Obama road-tested his pitch over the last two weeks in two friendly venues: Silicon Valley
and Canada. This week, he will take the case to North Carolina, a swing state that has been hard
hit by the forces of globalization, and to a NATO meeting in Poland, where the alliance members
will grapple with the effects of Britain's vote to leave the European Union, known as Brexit.
In Warsaw, Mr. Obama will sit next to Britain's lame-duck prime minister, David Cameron, whose
political career was ended by his miscalculation over holding the referendum on European Union
membership. But first, in Charlotte, N.C., he will campaign with Hillary Clinton, his former
secretary of state and the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, who reversed her position
on Mr. Obama's Asian trade deal, formally called the Trans-Pacific Partnership, after many in her
party turned sharply against free trade.
"President Obama has made a valiant attempt to build support for freer trade," said Eswar S.
Prasad, a professor of trade policy at Cornell University. "But the arguments in favor of free
trade lack rhetorical and political resonance, especially amidst a heated political campaign."
The case for ambitious trade deals, Dr. Prasad said, is that they allow the United States to
set the rules for its dealings with other countries, and to wield greater geopolitical influence.
Yet those arguments are easily overshadowed by the simple, if dubious, assertion that the losses
to the American economy from these deals are greater than the benefits.
Jeremy Corbyn today launched a review into
the Labour party's supposed "anti-semitism crisis" – in fact, a crisis entirely
confected by a toxic mix of the right, Israel supporters and the media. I have
repeatedly pointed out that misleading claims of anti-semitism (along with much else)
are being thrown at Corbyn to discredit him. You can read my criticisms of this
campaign and Labour's response
here
,
here
and
here
.
In his speech, Corbyn made an entirely fair point that Jews should not be blamed
for the behaviour of Israel any more than Muslims should be for the behaviour of
states that are Islamic. He said:
Our Jewish friends are no more responsible for the actions of Israel or the
Netanyahu government than our Muslim friends are for those of various self-styled
Islamic states or organisations.
But no matter what he said, the usual suspects are now accusing him of comparing
Israel with Islamic State, even though that is clearly not what he said – not even
close.
First, even if he had said "Islamic State", which he didn't, that would not have
meant he made a comparison with Israel. He was comparing the assumptions some people
make that Jews and Muslims have tribal allegiances based on their religious or ethnic
background. He was saying it was unfair to make such assumptions of either Jews or
Muslims.
In fact, such an assumption (which Corbyn does not share) would be more unfair to
Muslims than to Jews. It would suggest that some Muslims easily feel an affinity
with a terror organisation, while some Jews feel an affinity with a recognised state
(which may or may not include their support for the occupation). That assumption is
far uglier towards Muslims than it is towards Jews.
But, of course, all of this is irrelevant because Corbyn did not make any
such comparison. He clearly referred to "various self-styled Islamic states or
organisations". A spokesman later clarified that he meant "Saudi Arabia, Pakistan,
Iran or Hamas in Gaza". In other words, "various self-styled Islamic states and
organisations" – just as he said in the speech.
Surprise, surprise, the supposedly liberal
Guardian
's coverage of this
incident is as appalling as
that
found in the right wing
Telegraph
. The
Guardian
has an
article
, quoting rabbis and others, pointing out the irony that Corbyn made an
anti-semitic comment at the launch of an anti-semitism review – except, of course,
that he didn't.
In fact, contrary to all normal journalism, you have to read the
Guardian
story from bottom-up. The last paragraph states:
This story was amended on 30 June to correct the quotation in the second
paragraph. An earlier version quoted Corbyn as saying: "Our Jewish friends are no
more responsible for the actions for the actions of Israel or the Netanyahu
government than our Islamic friends are responsible for Islamic State."
Or in other words, the
Guardian
reporter did not even bother to listen to
the video of the speech posted alongside her report on the
Guardian
's own
website. Instead she and her editors jumped on the same bandwagon as everyone else,
spreading the same malicious rumours and misinformation.
When it later emerged that the story was a complete fabrication – one they could
have proved for themselves had they listened to what Corbyn really said – they simply
appended at the bottom a one-par mea culpa that almost no one will read. The
Guardian
has continued to publish the same defamatory article, one based on a
deception from start to finish.
This is the very definition of gutter journalism. And it comes as the
Guardian
editor, Kath Viner, asks (begs?) readers to dig deep in their pockets to support the
Guardian
. She
writes
:
The Guardian's role in producing fast, well-sourced, calm, accessible and
intelligent journalism is more important than ever.
Well, it would be if that is what they were doing. Instead, this story
confirms that the paper is producing the same shop-soiled disinformation as everyone
else.
Save your money and invest it in supporting real independent journalism.
At this moment, two irascible émigrés from the past century of European tragedies might come
to mind. John Lukacs, the Hungarian-American historian, has spent a lifetime arguing that
nationalism-not socialism, or even liberalism-is the core ideology of modernity, and that the
lesson of history is that nationalism will assert itself, like an unquenchable microbe, anytime
it has the least opportunity. (He also draws the distinction between patriotism-the love of place
and tradition and a desire to see its particularities thrive-and true nationalism, which is a
vengeful, irrational certainty that the alien outside or even within a country's borders is
responsible for some humiliation to the true nation.) This pessimistic strain was matched by that
of Karl Popper, the Austrian-Anglo philosopher, who saw that what he named the "open society,"
though essential to the transmission of humane values and the growth of knowledge, can impose
great strains on its citizens-strains of lost identity, certainty, tribal wholeness. The reaction
to this strain is inevitable, and sure. What keeps an open society from being overturned is only
the balm of ever-increased prosperity; when prosperity ends or is endangered, all the bad demons
come out of the forest. In this much broader sense, it may be prosperity that makes pluralism
possible. Economics alone don't drive the ideology of nationalism, but without prosperity it has
more room to bloom. Meanwhile, nationalism won't just go away, and open, liberal societies are
far more fragile than their success can make them seem-and these two sad truths seem to need
perpetual restating, or the lights really will go out across Europe.
"... There is an interesting campaign going on in Washington right now pushing for a no-fly zone over Syria. As we saw in an earlier thread the petition by those 51 FSOs inside the State Dept calling for this. That was preceded by the main editorial in the WaPo calling for the same. ..."
"... This is obviously orchestrated very likely involving the Hillary campaign and/or those who are trying to influence her. Hillary has after all called for such in recent months. Could Hillary really be that stupid or incompetent to set off a shooting war with Russia? ..."
"... Hillary may be the fist president from the democratic party to be impeached. There is no WW3 scenario only nuke apocalypse that would be bad for business and even Putin isn't about to sacrifice his nation for Assad or the Iranians. ..."
"... The US apparatchiks have measured the Russian ability to protect Assad and found them lacking and are moving to ratchet up the rhetoric hopefully forcing a deal without any real escalation but they appear ready to directly confront the Russians in Syria. ..."
"... My fear is that if, say Russia, sunk say a destroyer with the loss of all hands the fools running the US would panic and then respond with a nuclear escalation. I think Russia and China really are preparing for conventional weapons confrontation with the US. And the battlefield will not be in Syria but on those nations borders. Russian forces in Syria are no more than a trip wire. ..."
"... Thus, the humanitarian crisis (which has always existed) will now be touted as a newly-discovered reason for NATO/UN peacekeeping and humanitarian intervention. As long as that intervention creates a well-guarded Sunni Corridor from north to south Syria with the appropriate UN buffer zones. Oh yeah - it should include nearly all of Syria's oil resources (for future U.S. use). Toss in a few bazillion blue helmets and NATO air support for the inevitable No-fly Zones and Operation Yinon: Block the Evil Shia Corridor will have been accomplished. ..."
"... Russia still has its port and doesn't have to bomb anyone else. Assad still has a leftover chunk of partitioned Syria without any oil, gas or water - but Israel will sell them all they want for a slight premium. The Kurds get whatever bones they're thrown. And the U.S. and Israel have their coveted Sunnistan - even though the Sunnis will be impoverished and little more than oil well guards and human shields for any imaginary Iranian invasion of Syria. Oh, and foreign diplomats will have guaranteed jobs for a decade as they try to solve the unsolvable problem they created. ..."
"... pretty sorry state of affairs when the world - americans in particular - think it is okay to play chicken over the possibility of nuclear war... basically sums up the level of stupidity in the usa today - reflected best in the idiots running for political office who haven't a clue about anything their there own political future with the military industrial complex/clinton.. ..."
"... toivo - i really think americans need to be thinking the next war will be on their homeland... enough of the shit of making war in faraway lands on others... americans need to fucking wake up.. ..."
"... Russia has been boxed into a corner by the Rep, Dem, Brit, NATO neocons. Russia has been exceedingly patient and diplomatic at every turn. Russia should be well prepared now to militarily defend the legitimate Syrian Government and it territory. ..."
"... john helmers article from a few days ago - US STRATEGY FOR RUSSIA – WAGE WAR BUT NOT DECLARE IT ..."
"... 'The current head of the US CIA, William Brennan, lived in Saudi Arabia for years' ..."
There is an interesting campaign going on in Washington right now pushing for a no-fly zone
over Syria. As we saw in an earlier thread the petition by those 51 FSOs inside the State Dept calling
for this. That was preceded by the main editorial in the WaPo calling for the same.
Then yesterday the Yazidi woman who was held as a "sex slave" by ISIS testified before Congress
and called for Obama to set up no fly zones so refugees could find safety. Her testimony was horrific
and only the most heartless could dismiss her story. But since ISIS does not have nor has ever had
an airforce it is not clear how a no fly zone would have prevented the horror she experienced.
This is obviously orchestrated very likely involving the Hillary campaign and/or those who
are trying to influence her. Hillary has after all called for such in recent months. Could Hillary
really be that stupid or incompetent to set off a shooting war with Russia?
ToivoS | Jun 22, 2016 3:27:26 PM |
2 Northern Observer | Jun 22, 2016 3:35:04 PM |
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Hillary may be the fist president from the democratic party to be impeached. There is no WW3
scenario only nuke apocalypse that would be bad for business and even Putin isn't about to sacrifice
his nation for Assad or the Iranians.
The US apparatchiks have measured the Russian ability to protect Assad and found them lacking
and are moving to ratchet up the rhetoric hopefully forcing a deal without any real escalation
but they appear ready to directly confront the Russians in Syria.
#10 wow. For once I agree with you. Those forces working for the no fly zone over Syria do
not want nuclear war. They happen to believe that in any game of chicken the Russians will blink
first. However, I would hope that this would happen but there are other scenarios here short (it
is hoped) of nuclear war. The Russians also do not want nuclear war. They like the Chinese have
been preparing their military in conventional war tactics against the US. Not that these tactics
will defeat the US but that they will cause so much damage that it would drain domestic support
for future US aggression against those countries.
Both China and Russia have concentrated their defenses on anti-ship and anti-aircraft missiles.
Today, the Russians have the ability to sink any US warship in either the Black or Baltic seas.
The Russians have made those weapons available to Iran and they may possibly be able to easily
sink any destroyer or cruiser in the Persian Gulf.
My fear is that if, say Russia, sunk say a destroyer with the loss of all hands the fools
running the US would panic and then respond with a nuclear escalation. I think Russia and China
really are preparing for conventional weapons confrontation with the US. And the battlefield will
not be in Syria but on those nations borders. Russian forces in Syria are no more than a trip
wire.
Wayoutwest@10 - "...but they appear ready to directly confront the Russians in Syria..."
Whaa...? You're talking about Americans, right?
The soft invasion of Syria is happening as we speak. What's the latest roll call: French, Belgian,
German, UK special forces? Norway on deck? NATO has already invaded without confronting Russia.
The U.S. will not permit Sunnistan to fall. If you don't believe the pipeline reason, then you
have to recognize the NATO Sunni Corridor must exist to block the Shia Corridor from Iran.
The U.S./Israeli plan to separate Syria and create the Sunni/Turkey corridor is going along
as always planned - although they're rushing as of late. We're at the stage where Turkey and Jordan
are shutting their borders. Useless in practice, but necessary to give western MSM the cover story
of the threat of ISIS spreading to those countries. Laughable because that's where the head-choppers
came from, but reason has nothing to do with propaganda. ZATO has to foment a massive, well-publicised
humanitarian crisis to justify the next partitioning step.
Thus, the humanitarian crisis (which has always existed) will now be touted as a newly-discovered
reason for NATO/UN peacekeeping and humanitarian intervention. As long as that intervention creates
a well-guarded Sunni Corridor from north to south Syria with the appropriate UN buffer zones.
Oh yeah - it should include nearly all of Syria's oil resources (for future U.S. use). Toss in
a few bazillion blue helmets and NATO air support for the inevitable No-fly Zones and Operation
Yinon: Block the Evil Shia Corridor will have been accomplished.
Russia still has its port and doesn't have to bomb anyone else. Assad still has a leftover
chunk of partitioned Syria without any oil, gas or water - but Israel will sell them all they
want for a slight premium. The Kurds get whatever bones they're thrown. And the U.S. and Israel
have their coveted Sunnistan - even though the Sunnis will be impoverished and little more than
oil well guards and human shields for any imaginary Iranian invasion of Syria. Oh, and foreign
diplomats will have guaranteed jobs for a decade as they try to solve the unsolvable problem they
created.
Halliburton and their little Cheney KBR buddy are already salivating over the reconstruction
contracts. Let's get those damn blue helmets in there! The former KBR is loosing money every second
this scheme is delayed.
pretty sorry state of affairs when the world - americans in particular - think it is okay
to play chicken over the possibility of nuclear war... basically sums up the level of stupidity
in the usa today - reflected best in the idiots running for political office who haven't a clue
about anything their there own political future with the military industrial complex/clinton..
toivo - i really think americans need to be thinking the next war will be on their homeland...
enough of the shit of making war in faraway lands on others... americans need to fucking wake
up..
System is fubar. People are fed up. Let the chips fall where they may. Smart play is to get
out of EU.
Russia has been boxed into a corner by the Rep, Dem, Brit, NATO neocons. Russia has been
exceedingly patient and diplomatic at every turn. Russia should be well prepared now to militarily
defend the legitimate Syrian Government and it territory.
@34 ghubar shabih 'The current head of the US CIA, William Brennan, lived in Saudi Arabia
for years'
I'm sure you meant John Brennan. Wikipedia has
At one point in his career, he was a daily intelligence briefer for President Bill Clinton.
In 1996 he was CIA station chief in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia when the Khobar Towers bombing killed
19 U.S. servicemen. In 1999 he was appointed chief of staff to George Tenet, then-Director
of the CIA
I hadn't realized he was in Saudi Arabia. I also hadn't realized that he was out and in the revolving
door before working for Obama, before having Obama appoint him head of the CIA
His last post within the Intelligence Community was as director of the National Counterterrorism
Center in 2004 and 2005, which incorporated information on terrorist activities across U.S.
agencies.
Brennan then left government service for a few years, becoming Chairman of the Intelligence
and National Security Alliance (INSA) and the CEO of The Analysis Corporation (TAC). He continued
to lead TAC after its acquisition by Global Strategies Group in 2007 and its growth as the
Global Intelligence Solutions division of Global's North American technology business GTEC,
before returning to government service with the Obama administration as Homeland Security Advisor
on January 20, 2009.
Made good connections on the other side of the revolving door, I'm sure. No doubt the kickbacks
will flow from the drone builders/operators and the electronic communications spies after his
next trip through.
He may not be as good as the parrot with Arabic, but he had Obama parroting his lines very
well throughout his eight long years. Obama will share those kickbacks as well, I'm sure. Polly
wants a cracker.
"... Weapons from the former Libya military stockpiles were shipped from the port of Benghazi, Libya to the Port of Banias and the Port of Borj Islam, Syria. The weapons shipped during late-August 2012 were Sniper rifles, RPG's, and 125mm and 155mm howitzers missiles. ..."
"... The weapons shipped from Libya to Syria during late-August 2012 were Sniper rifles, RPG's, and 125mm and 155mm howitzers missiles. The numbers for each weapon were estimated to be: 500 Sniper rifles, 100 RPG launchers with 300 total rounds, and approximately 400 howitzers missiles [200 ea - 125mm and 200ea - 1[55 mm]. ..."
WARNING: (U) THIS IS AN INFORMATION REPORT. NOT FINALLY EVALUATED
INTELLIGENCE. REPORT CLASSIFIED SECRET//NOFORN .
TEXT: 1. ( S//NF ) EXECUTIVE SUMMARY. Weapons from the former Libya
military stockpiles were shipped from the port of Benghazi, Libya to
the Port of Banias and the Port of Borj Islam, Syria. The weapons
shipped during late-August 2012 were Sniper rifles, RPG's, and 125mm
and 155mm howitzers missiles.
2.( S//NF }During Ihe immediate altermath of, and following the
uncertainty caused by, the downfall of the ((Qaddafi)) regime in
October 2011 and up until early September of 2012, weapons from the
former Libya military stockpiles located in Benghazi, Libya were
shipped from the port of Benghazi, Libya to the ports of Banias and
the Port of Borj Islam, Syria. The Syrian ports were chosen due to
the small amount of cargo traffic transiting these two ports. The
ships used to transport the weapons were medium-sized and able to
hold 10 or less shipping containers of cargo. (NFI)
3. ( S//NF ) The weapons shipped from Libya to Syria during late-August
2012 were Sniper rifles, RPG's, and 125mm and 155mm howitzers
missiles. The numbers for each weapon were estimated to be: 500
Sniper rifles, 100 RPG launchers with 300 total rounds, and
approximately 400 howitzers missiles [200 ea - 125mm and 200ea - 1[55
mm].
(b)(1) Sec. 1. 4(c).(b)(3): 10§USC 424,(b)(3):50§USC 3024(i)
REDACTED
CLASSIFIED
The Looming US War on Russia
By Finian Cunningham
June 22, 2016 "Information Clearing House" - "Sputnik" - Russian President Vladimir
Putin's comparison of increasing US-led NATO aggression towards Russia to the attack by
Nazi Germany on the Soviet Union is advisedly apt.
Putin was addressing the Russian State Duma this week on the occasion 75 years ago when
the Nazi Third Reich launched Operation Barbarossa on June 22, 1941.
Nazi Germany's aggression, which led to the Great Patriotic War in which up to 30
million Soviet citizens lost their lives in order to gain victory against that fascist
power, was at bottom an attack by Western imperialism. As Putin reminded, this
fundamental fact is often omitted in Western commentary.
In that way, the significance
of NATO's current military buildup – what else is that but aggression? – on Russian
territory is all too often absent in Western media. And, by extension, Western public
appreciation is lacking on how sinister the unfolding situation is.
~~~
The burgeoning US-led aggression towards Russia – in the form of provocative political
campaigns to demonize and vilify with false accusations, economic sanctions and the
spurning of diplomacy and dialogue, as well as the expansion of military forces,
including the deployment of missile systems – is in a long, reprehensible tradition of
Western belligerence towards Russia, going back to, among others, French emperor
Napoleon Bonaparte and German Fuhrer Adolf Hitler.
This congenital aggression towards Russia stems from the dynamic of the Western economic
system of capitalism, which in turns begets imperialism as its necessary tool for
expropriating natural resources and subjugating foreign nations.
~~~
The little-known historical record – at least in Western media – is that Nazi Germany
was fomented by American and British capitalism as a proxy with which to vanquish the
Soviet Union. The subsequent Western alliance with Soviet Russia to defeat Nazi Germany
was merely a cynical damage-control move by the Western powers who were witnessing their
Nazi attack dog being muzzled and liquidated.
~~~
As the US presidential election swings towards Democrat contender Hillary Clinton, that
portends ominously for relations with Russia. It was Clinton who as Secretary of State
in the first Obama administration in 2009-2013 plunged bilateral relations into the
freezer and who set the course for the present geopolitical tensions.
Of further concern is Clinton's likely
selection to head the Pentagon . It is hotly tipped that Clinton will appoint Michele
Flournoy as the first female Secretary of Defense. Flournoy (56) is a prominent Pentagon
insider, with close links to the military and CIA We can be sure that this duo will
keenly push a bellicose agenda towards Russia.
Only last week, Flournoy made strident calls for increased US military intervention in
Syria. She wants to deploy large numbers of American troops and openly use military
force to topple the Syrian government of President Bashar al-Assad.
Posted by: okie farmer | Jun 23, 2016 12:39:33 AM |
56
In the week of the referendum vote, no
British politician and, to my knowledge, no journalist referred to Vladimir Putin's
speech in St. Petersburg commemorating the seventy-fifth anniversary of Nazi
Germany's invasion of the Soviet Union on June 22, 1941. The Soviet victory – at a
cost of 27 million Soviet lives and the majority of all German forces – won the
Second World War.
Russian President Vladimir Putin laying a wreath at Russia's Tomb of the Unknown
Soldier on May 8, 2014, as part of the observance of the World War II Victory over
Germany.
Putin likened the current frenzied build up of NATO troops and war materiel on
Russia's western borders to the Third Reich's Operation Barbarossa. NATO's exercises
in Poland were the biggest since the Nazi invasion; Operation Anaconda had simulated
an attack on Russia, presumably with nuclear weapons.
On the eve of the referendum, the quisling secretary-general of NATO, Jens
Stoltenberg, warned Britons they would be endangering "peace and security" if they
voted to leave the E.U. The millions who ignored him and Cameron, Osborne, Corbyn,
Obama and the man who runs the Bank of England may, just may, have struck a blow for
real peace and democracy in Europe.
John Pilger is an Australian-British journalist based in London.
Pilger's Web site is:
www.johnpilger.com
,
the films and journalism of John Pilger.
"... ROSKAM: Secretary Clinton, you were meeting with opposition within the State Department from very senior career diplomats in fact. And they were saying that it was going to produce a net negative for U.S. military intervention. ..."
"... For example, in a March 9th, 2011 e-mail discussing what has become known as the Libya options memo, Ambassador Stephen Mull, then the executive secretary of the State Department and one of the top career diplomats, said this, "In the case of our diplomatic history, when we've provided material or tactical military support to people seeking to drive their leaders from power, no matter how just their cause, it's tended to produce net negatives for our interests over the long term in those countries." ..."
"... But then you had another big obstacle, didn't you, and that was -- that was the White House itself. There were senior voices within the White House that were opposed to military action -- Vice President Biden, Department of Defense, Secretary Gates, the National Security Council and so forth. ..."
"... But you persuaded President Obama to intervene militarily. Isn't that right? ..."
"... ROSKAM: Well I think you are underselling yourself. You got the State Department on board. You convinced the president, you overcame the objections of Vice President Biden and Secretary of Defense Gates, the National Security Council. And you had another obstacle then, and that was the United Nations. ..."
"... And you were able to persuade the Russians, of all things, to abstain, and had you not been successful in arguing that abstention, the Security Council Resolution 1973 wouldn't have passed because the Russians had a veto. So you overcame that obstacle as well, right? Isn't that right? ..."
Jake Sullivan, your chief foreign policy adviser, wrote a tick- tock on Libya memo on August 21,
2011. And this was the day before the rebels took Tripoli. He titles it, quote, "Secretary Clinton's
Leadership on Libya," in which he describes you as, quote, "a critical voice" and, quote, "the public
face of the U.S. effort in Libya and instrumental in tightening the noose around Gadhafi and his
regime."
But that didn't come easy, did it? Because you faced considerable opposition, and I can pause
while you're reading your notes from your staff.
CLINTON: One thing at a time, Congressman.
ROSKAM: OK. That didn't come easy, did it, that leadership role and that public face and so forth
that I just mentioned?
CLINTON: (OFF-MIKE) this is an issue that the committee has raised. And it really boils down to
why were we in Libya; why did the United States join with our NATO and European allies, join with
our Arab partners to protect the people of Libya against the murderous planning of Gadhafi. Why did
we take a role alongside our partners in doing so.
There were a number of reasons for that. And I think it is important to remind the American people
where we were at the time when the people of Libya, like people across the region, rose up demanding
freedom and democracy, a chance to chart their own futures. And Gadhafi...
ROSKAM: I take your point.
CLINTON: ... Gadhafi threatened them with genocide, with hunting them down like cockroaches. And
we were then approached by, with great intensity, our closest allies in Europe, people who felt very
strongly -- the French and the British, but others as well -- that they could not stand idly by and
permit that to happen so close to their shores, with the unintended consequences that they worried
about.
And they asked for the United States to help. We did not immediately say yes. We did an enormous
amount of due diligence in meeting with not only our European and Arab partners, but also with those
were heading up what was called the Transitional National Council. And we had experienced diplomats
who were digging deep into what was happening in Libya and what the possibilities were, before we
agreed to provide very specific, limited help to the European and Arab efforts.
We did not put one American soldier on the ground. We did not have one casualty. And in fact,
I think by many measures, the cooperation between NATO and Arab forces was quite remarkable and something
that we want to learn more lessons from.
ROSKAM: Secretary Clinton, you were meeting with opposition within the State Department from
very senior career diplomats in fact. And they were saying that it was going to produce a net negative
for U.S. military intervention.
For example, in a March 9th, 2011 e-mail discussing what has become known as the Libya options
memo, Ambassador Stephen Mull, then the executive secretary of the State Department and one of the
top career diplomats, said this, "In the case of our diplomatic history, when we've provided material
or tactical military support to people seeking to drive their leaders from power, no matter how just
their cause, it's tended to produce net negatives for our interests over the long term in those countries."
Now, we'll come back to that in a minute. But you overruled those career diplomats. I mean, they
report to you and you're the chief diplomat of the United States. Go ahead and read the note if you
need to.
(LAUGHTER)
CLINTON: I have to -- I have to...
ROSKAM: I'm not done with my question. I'm just giving you the courtesy of reading your notes.
CLINTON: That's all right.
ROSKAM: All right.
They were -- they were pushing back, but you overcame those objections. But then you had another
big obstacle, didn't you, and that was -- that was the White House itself. There were senior voices
within the White House that were opposed to military action -- Vice President Biden, Department of
Defense, Secretary Gates, the National Security Council and so forth.
But you persuaded President Obama to intervene militarily. Isn't that right?
CLINTON: Well, Congressman, I think it's important to point out there were many in the State Department
who believed it was very much in America's interests and in furtherance of our values to protect
the Libyan people, to join with our European allies and our Arab partners. The ambassador, who had
had to be withdrawn from Libya because of direct attacks -- or direct threats to his physical safety,
but who knew Libya very well, Ambassador Cretz, was a strong advocate for doing what we could to
assist the Europeans and the Arabs.
CLINTON: I think it's fair to say there were concerns and there were varying opinions about what
to do, how to do it, and the like. At the end of the day, this was the president's decision. And
all of us fed in our views. I did not favor it until I had done, as I said, the due diligence speaking
with not just people within our government and within the governments of all of the other nations
who were urging us to assist them, but also meeting in-person with the gentleman who had assumed
a lead role in the Transitional National Council.
So it is of course fair to say this is a difficult decision. I wouldn't sit here and say otherwise.
And there were varying points of view about it. But at the end of the day, in large measure, because
of the strong appeals from our European allies, the Arab League passing resolution urging that the
United States and NATO join with them, those were unprecedented requests.
And we did decide in recommending to the president there was a way to do it. The president I think,
very clearly had a limited instruction about how to proceed. And the first planes that flew were
French planes. And I think what the United States provided was some of our unique capacity. But the
bulk of the work militarily was done by Europeans and Arabs.
ROSKAM: Well I think you are underselling yourself. You got the State Department on board.
You convinced the president, you overcame the objections of Vice President Biden and Secretary of
Defense Gates, the National Security Council. And you had another obstacle then, and that was the
United Nations.
And you were able to persuade the Russians, of all things, to abstain, and had you not been
successful in arguing that abstention, the Security Council Resolution 1973 wouldn't have passed
because the Russians had a veto. So you overcame that obstacle as well, right? Isn't that right?
"... Its so sad how the western presstitutes try and work this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79jQSYQYcW0 Russia seems to have the war part covered while Syria is bringing the diplomatic punch into focus .... ..."
"... Unadulterated BS. As for Obama (see 6) the committee man (he was elected for that role), he is caught between a rock and a hard place. Ukraine was and is an absolute disaster - nothing worked out as wished. (Some may enjoy Helmer, who sometimes must be taken with a dose of salt, linked below, MH17, etc. This war is being fought on 2 fronts, Ukr. + Syria.) ..."
"... Although the US seems to have gotten tough(er) on ISIS in recent months, there are indications that this is just more smokescreen. The Assad must go! Coalition has merely changed tactics. They still support their extremist proxy army(s) (as demonstrated by recent resupply and pleas for Russia to avoid bombing) . ..."
"... Obama warned Putin that he could face a 'quagmire' and 'costs'. To paraphrase Madeline Albright: What good is a proxy army if you don't use it? ..."
"... Obama is a willing and very capable participant in the 'con'. This has been proven in the realm of domestic affairs as well as foreign affairs. james has it right when he says: "this good cop/bad cop (obama/brennan) routine is a pile of bullshite". ..."
"... The Saudis and its allied are too stupid to realize that they have been taken on a ride. Turkey is on the verge of crumbling as Erdogan keeps attacking the USA and Egypt and has not solve the issue with Israel on Hamas and the defunct Moslem Brotherhood. ..."
"... Yes, I suppose it is entirely possible that this "schism" between Obama and the Pentagon is just theatrics, optics, useful in declaring helplessness when "policies" are undone or contradicted ... Obama as victim of palace infighting. ..."
"... "Turkey on the verge of crumbling ..." ..."
"... Egypt has placed the MB on the terror list and has become allied with Saudi Arabia and UAE. Qatar is isolated for its support of the MB. Erdogan is between a rock and a hard place, its foreign policy has been a disaster. Seeking to restore relations with Russia. The intelligence community of Turkey, Israel and Saudi Arabia have joined assets in the Levant. Al Nusra on the Golan must be defeated, the UK/US training camps of rebels in Jordan must be neutralized to fight in the southern corridor to Damascus. ..."
"... To remove any ambiguity about the status of the Free Syrian Army, a representative was present at this year's Herzliya Conference. This annual conference is dedicated to issues relating to Israel's Security. Netanyahu and high level Israeli Military Intelligence leaders state they prefer ISIS to Assad. ..."
"... War criminal Obama was the lead advocate for bombing Syrian government a few years ago, thats until the UK Parliament put a temporary stop to it. So any credit given to Obama by b , or anyone else is ludicrous. LUDICROUS. The destruction of Libya still gets Obama mitigation ? ..."
"... In 2016 we have the batsh*t crazy appointed government bureaucrats siding with the sole interests of a foreign country. Circle talking seems to be the normal state of affairs at State, Executive and MSM. PBS has gone full Karl Marx. Congress has an 16% approval rating, 80% disapproval, and 4% no opinion [1]. So I guess Congress doesn't really matter? And as far as our military command goes, when you can use 'sold out' and 'son of a bitch' in the same sentence, we, as a nation might have a major problemo. ..."
"... Actually, Putin has said that their intervention in Syria is in Russia's strategic interests - making much the same argument that Bush did wrt al Queda: we need to fight them there so that we don't have to fight them here . Russia doesn't want to see extremist control of another failed state like Libya. ..."
"... Clearly there is an ongoing battle in the Obama Administration between Mostly the pentagon (at least some part of it) and the CIA (most part of it). Obama is well aware of this. ..."
"... Obama's Strategy has been to isolate Russia Politically and to shift the main focus of United State Towards Asia however the unexpected resistance of Russia and Syria wasn't forecast by his administration and part of the Deep state. Now part of the heads in the pentagon and the Obama administration want out of this proxy war against Russia as the World and mainly the US public becomes more and more aware of the real nature of the war ongoing in Syria. The heart of the matter is that The members of the oligarchy that rule the united states through revolving doors between the government , their law firms, foundations, banks and corporations can't afford to lose Syria for obvious reason. ..."
"... "But Putin invited the evil US Empire into Syria." ..."
"... I haven't watched or listened to that PBS tripe ever . But considering that PBS is 90% corporate funded, I find it hard to accept your assertion ... it is merely a corporate/permanent government psy-op to keep the intellectually and morally challenged sedated. ..."
"... Obama's Syria SNAFU was always destined to boil down to Yankees playing Russian Roulette - with Russia. They're probably beginning to realise that playing cat and mouse loses a lot of its appeal when the cat starts getting ready to eat you. ..."
"... Hillary's so predictably evil, and he's so officially 'unpredictable' that he's the natural focal point of the selection circus. It's too bad only one of them can lose. ..."
"... Confirmation of other reports ... ..."
"... Obama and his Administration is a collection of lawyers, political pseudo-"scientists", journos etc. They are very good at promoting suicidal social policies but do not and cannot operate with actual operational categories--briefings by CIA or Pentagon (granted that they reflect a reality on the "ground", which is a question) are not designed to teach some Ivy League lawyer fundamentals of international relations, strategy, operational art etc. They merely distill a very complex geopolitical reality to a several catch phrases which could be understood by people of such qualities as W. (his military briefings papers contained headers with Bible excerpts, supposedly applicable to current situation) or Obama, who has no clue on how to assess the world around himself. ..."
"... In relation to Russia what Obama has in mind is beaten to death cliche of Afghanistan (obviously without studying that war) with which he wants to impress Russians, who, meanwhile fought two bloody wars against Wahhabi terrorists on own territory and, somehow, do know, unlike Obama or US liberal political class, what does it take to deal with this huge issue. In the end, during last War in Chechnya US media loved to misuse this very term (quagmire) and completely forgot to mention that Chechnya today is, actually, pretty reliable anti-terrorism entity in Russia. Now, add here most of US "elites" and a population being absolutely oblivious to real war and voila'. You have people speaking in platitudes and ignorant cliches. ..."
The U.S. is
unwilling to stop the war on Syria and to settle the case at the negotiation table. It wants
a 100% of its demands fulfilled, the dissolution of the Syrian government and state and the inauguration
of a U.S. proxy administration in Syria.
After the ceasefire in Syria started in late February Obama
broke his pledge to separate the U.S. supported "moderate rebels" from al-Qaeda. In April U.S.
supported rebels, the Taliban like Ahrar al Sham and al-Qaeda joined to attack the Syrian government
in south Aleppo. The U.S.proxies broke the ceasefire.
Two UN resolutions demand that al-Qaeda in Syria be fought no matter what. But the U.S. has at
least twice asked Russia not to bomb al-Qaeda. It insists, falsely, that it can not separate its
"moderates" from al-Qaeda and that al-Qaeda can not be attacked because that would also hit its "moderate"
friends.
The Russian foreign minster Lavrov has talked wit Kerry many times about the issue. But the only
response he received were requests to further withhold bombing. Meanwhile al-Qaeda and the "moderates"
continued to break the ceasefire and to attack the Syrian government forces.
After nearly four month Kerry still insists that the U.S. needs even more time for the requested
separation of its proxy forces from al-Qaeda. Foreign Minister Lavrov recently
expressed the Russian consternation:
The Americans are now saying that they are unable to remove the 'good' opposition members
from the positions held by al-Nusra Front, and that they will need another two-three months.
I am under the impression that there is a game here and they may want to keep al-Nusra
Front in some form and later use it to overthrow the [Assad] regime," Lavrov said at the St. Petersburg
International Economic Forum.
The bucket was full and Kerry's latest request for another three month pause of attacking al-Qaeda
was the drop that let it overflow. Russia now responded by
hitting the U.S. where it did not expect to be hit:
Russian warplanes hit Pentagon-backed Syrian fighters with a barrage of airstrikes earlier
this week , disregarding several warnings from U.S. commanders in what American military
officials called the most provocative act since Moscow's air campaign in Syria began last year.
The strikes hit a base near the Jordanian border, far from areas where the Russians were previously
active, and targeted U.S.-backed forces battling the Islamic State militants.
...
These latest strikes occurred on the other side of the country from the usual Russian operations,
around Tanf, a town near where the borders of Jordan, Iraq, and Syria meet.
...
The Russian strike hit a small rebel base for staging forces and equipment in a desolate, unpopulated
area near the border. About 180 rebels were there as part of the Pentagon's program to train and
equip fighters against Islamic State.
When the first strikes hit, the rebels called a U.S. command center in Qatar, where the Pentagon
orchestrates the daily air war against Islamic State.
U.S. jets came and the Russian jets went away. The U.S. jets left to refuel, the Russian jets
came back and hit again.
Allegedly two U.S. proxy fighters were killed and 18 were wounded.
Earlier today another such attack hit the same target.
This was no accident but a well planned operation and the Russian spokesperson's response makes
the intend clear:
Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov appeared to confirm the attack Friday, telling reporters
it was difficult to distinguish different rebel groups from the air.
Translation: "If you can not separate your forces from al-Qaeda and differentiate and designate
exclusively "moderate" zones we can not do so either ."
The forces near Tanf are supported by U.S. artillery from Jordan and air power via Iraq. British
and Jordan special operations forces are part of the ground component (and probably the majority
of the "Syrian" fighters.) There is no al-Qaeda there. The Russians know that well. But they wanted
to make the point that it is either separation everywhere or separation nowhere. From now on until
the U.S. clearly separates them from AQ all U.S. supported forces will be hit indiscriminately anywhere
and anytime. (The Syrian Kurds fighting the Islamic State with U.S. support are for now a different
story.)
The Pentagon does not want any further engagement against the Syrian government or against Russia.
It wants to fight the Islamic State and its hates the CIA for its cooperation with al-Qaeda and other
Jihadi elements. But John Brennan, the Saudi operative and head of the CIA, still seems to have Obama's
ear. But what can Obama do now? Shoot down a Russian jet and thereby endanger any U.S. pilot flying
in Syria or near the Russian border? Risk a war with Russia? Really?
The Russian hit near Tanf was clearly a surprise. The Russians again caught Washington on the
wrong foot. The message to the Obama administration is clear. "No more delays and obfuscations.
You will separate your moderates NOW or all your assets in Syria will be juicy targets for
the Russian air force. "
The Russian hits at Tanf and the U.S. proxies there has an additional benefit. The U.S. had planned
to let those forces move north towards Deir Ezzor and to defeat the Islamic State in that city. Eventually
a "Sunni entity" would be established in south east Syria and west Iraq under U.S. control. Syria
would be split apart.
The Syrian government and its allies will not allow that. There is a large operation planned to
free Deir Ezzor from the Islamic State occupation. Several hundred Syrian government forces have
held an isolated airport in Deir Ezzor against many unsuccessful Islamic State attacks. These troops
get currently reinforced by additional Syrian army contingents and Hizbullah commandos.A big battle
is coming. Deir Ezzor may be freed within the next few month. Any U.S. plans for some eastern Syrian
entity are completely unrealistic if the Syrian government can take and hold its largest eastern
city.
The Obama administration's delaying tactic will now have to end. Russia will no longer stand back
and watch while the U.S. sabotages the ceasefire and supports al-Qaeda.
What then is the next move the U.S. will make?
Posted by b on June 18, 2016 at 11:15 AM |
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Many pundits have argued that there is no military solution in Syria. I disagree, a military solution
is the only one possible and it must be decisive. How is it possible for Saudi Arabia to supply
and finance thousands of proxy forces to destroy a fellow Arab state, and still claim to be fighting
terrorism. Syria and Iran need to take the gloves off and use their own special forces or better
still encourage proxy forces of their own [unattributed of course]to cripple the Saudi economy
with various 'incidents' at Ras Tamara oil port. "An assault on Ras Tanura, however, would be
vastly more serious. As much as 80% of the near 9m barrels of oil a day pumped out by Saudi is
believed to end up being piped from fields such as Ghawar to Ras Tanura in the Gulf to be loaded
on to supertankers bound for the west".
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/jun/03/saudiarabia.oil
This would have the benefit of killing two birds with one stone, the fall of one of the most obnoxious
regimes known to mankind and with it the cessation of funding for schools of terrorism throughout
the world and with it Assads vision of a secular Syrian state as a role model for the rest of
the Middle East.
@Jackrabbit at 2: Of course Obama is not progressive or peace loving. Only an idiot would argue
that he is. But what b is saying is that Obama is weak reed who can be bent depending on which
faction has his attention. He both wants to overthrow Assad and to avoid getting pulled into an
expensive battle, in my opinion, and in any given week may issue contradictory policies. But it
seems he sides more with the CIA than the Pentagon, which is dangerous in this case.
Seems as though the pressure is on ...this vid Skype presentation by Syrian presidential adviser
Dr Bouthaina Shaaban, to GAFTA (Global Alliance for terminating al Qaeda) conference in Washington,
June 2016. is well worth the listen to .
Its so sad how the western presstitutes try and work this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79jQSYQYcW0
Russia seems to have the war part covered while Syria is bringing the diplomatic punch into focus
....
@2 It's always been clear to me that he is not some tremendous beacon of peace for Syria but the
alternative was McCain and he definitely wanted and still wants more w/ ever a burning yearning
for absolute overt total war against Syria.
It's tough to tell who Obama listens to; Ben Rhodes? Saudi's (most def) but is it just simply
as a sorry for the iran deal or closer ties? The u.s. deep state (i think so but they seemed pretty
pissed at him) . . i think he just expected things to go as they did in libya or perhaps as the
2012 dia memo stated, the plan all along was to create a sliver of a sunni state and for the u.s.
in that case the objective is coming along whether a kurdistan (hopefully) or a caliphate (hope
to god not)... is it a fly trap strategy that'll turn in to a caliphate? hell idk it's going to
be insane w/ hillary.
"On Friday, Defense Secretary Ash Carter called out Russia for bombing a Syrian rebel group
that's backed by the U.S.
Since last year, American and Russian warplanes have shared the skies over Syria while supporting
different sides in the civil war. Moscow backs the Assad dictatorship; the U.S. is arming rebels
who've been trying to overthrow it.
The attack by Russian fighter bombers on American-backed opposition forces appeared to be deliberate
and to ignore repeated U.S. warnings."
Once again our so called Department of Defense displays its 'Kindergarten logic' by condemning
Russia for acting within the parameters of International Law.
harrylaw at 5, yes, say. They state 'no military solution is possible' because they want a
political transition right now.In short, they want the opposing parties to just lie down
and die or go off and play WoW or watch Mad Men or sumptin'. Unadulterated BS. As for Obama (see
6) the committee man (he was elected for that role), he is caught between a rock and a hard place.
Ukraine was and is an absolute disaster - nothing worked out as wished. (Some may enjoy Helmer,
who sometimes must be taken with a dose of salt, linked below, MH17, etc. This war is being fought
on 2 fronts, Ukr. + Syria.)
Read in the Swiss Press (no idea if true) that di Mistura is fed up with the lot of them, implied
he will throw in the towel. Not that a return to the negotiating table is realistic, that ship
has now sailed into the stormy night, the US can't try that move again, nor will the Russians
be so compliant next time (imho.) So that is one thing the US won't do (?).. (b's question.) The
rubber is going to hit the road on this one. It will be fought out in the corridors of power in
Washington first. Putin has been in speech very conciliatory recently to show the usual 'good
will'..
I will hazard a guess. But first, we should not think that the U.S. will act alone. Direct confrontation
with Russia is (of course) too risky.
As I wrote in an earlier comment (includes timeline) , the San Bernandino attack occurred
soon after the downing of the Russian airliner on October 31st 2015. This was the first attack
against the US despite the US having (supposedly) bombed ISIS for over a year and engaged
in a $500 million program to train anti-ISIS fighters.
The long delay in responding to USA's anti-ISIS activities sharply contrasts with the quickness
with which ISIS had responded to Russia's intervention. This leads to the question of whether
the San Bernandino attack was (hastily) arranged to blunt any attempt to associate USA with the
proxy army of Sunni extremists.
Although the US seems to have gotten tough(er) on ISIS in recent months, there are indications
that this is just more smokescreen. The Assad must go! Coalition has merely changed tactics.
They still support their extremist proxy army(s) (as demonstrated by recent resupply and pleas
for Russia to avoid bombing) .
The recent Orlando shooting better establishes ISIS's hate for USA and thereby distances USA/CIA
from ISIS. This distancing may simply be misdirection that allows ISIS to carry out spectacular
attack(s) against Russian interests. That it pre-dates attacks on Russian interests merely
shows that they learned from the San Bernandino experience (where a lack of previous attacks
raised suspicions) .
Note:
1) The San Bernandino attackers had visited Saudi Arabia and the wife had lived there. They
were well established in the USA and drew little if any suspicion. They could have attacked
months before or after the time that they actually did attack.
2) The Orlando attacker had also visited Saudi Arabia. The background of the wife is
(as yet) not well understood. She was born in USA but her last name ("Salman") is the same
as the Saudi royal family (I'm not sure how relevant that is) . It is now clear that
she had some knowledge of the plans of her husband.
3) Both the San Bernandino and Orlando (SB&O) attackers had a young child. As a 'young family'
they would be less likely to draw suspicion. Were the SB&O attackers really "radicalized via
the Internet"? "ISIS-inspired"? "Lone wolf"? Or, were they 'deep cover' operatives?
4) The FBI has caught/entrapped many potential attackers that were "radicalized over the
Internet" but they are invariably clueless and incapable.
5) AFAIK, "ISIS-inspired" attackers in Paris and Brussels didn't have young children and
middle-class lifestyle.
Obama warned Putin that he could face a 'quagmire' and 'costs'. To paraphrase Madeline Albright:
What good is a proxy army if you don't use it?
Obama is a willing and very capable participant in the 'con'. This has been proven in the realm
of domestic affairs as well as foreign affairs.
james has it right when he says: "this good cop/bad cop (obama/brennan) routine is a pile
of bullshite".
In public the US criticizes and threatens Russia. In private I think that the Pentagon is more
than happy to see Russia blowing up these "moderates" that have become polluted by Saudi Arabia,
Kuwait, Qatar and also Turkey.
Using Russia, the USA is giving a good lessons to these 'allies' countries that dare stand against
the USA shift on Iran. They are becoming increasingly terrified by their powerlessness.
This has always been the USA double game in the ME: Caress and stab in the back. The Saudis and
its allied are too stupid to realize that they have been taken on a ride. Turkey is on the verge
of crumbling as Erdogan keeps attacking the USA and Egypt and has not solve the issue with Israel
on Hamas and the defunct Moslem Brotherhood.
The tacit agreement between Kerry and Lavrov on crushing the rebels, islamist or not, is very
clear.
Yes, I suppose it is entirely possible that this "schism" between Obama and the Pentagon is just
theatrics, optics, useful in declaring helplessness when "policies" are undone or contradicted
... Obama as victim of palace infighting.
PBS TV is running a piece on the military draft. Giving a historical perspective dating back to
George Washington's request for a draft during the Revolutionary War to the present.
While stationed at Great Lakes Naval station in 1967 I noticed that all of e gate guards were
US Marines. This was during Nam. I asked one Marine how he managed to pull such a plum assignment.
He told me that he had been drafted into the Marines. His tour was for two years. He was told
that being a draftee he would not serve in a combat unit as a draftee and not an enlistee 'he
could not be trusted.'
The Outlaw US Empire's behavior regarding the UNSC resolution that al-Qaeda be attacked no matter
what proves the Empire's support for that terrorist group absolving its citizens from paying taxes
to support terrorism since doing so is against the law. Is my logic sound, or should I rephrase?
Egypt has placed the MB on the terror list and has become allied with Saudi Arabia and UAE.
Qatar is isolated for its support of the MB. Erdogan is between a rock and a hard place, its foreign
policy has been a disaster. Seeking to restore relations with Russia. The intelligence community
of Turkey, Israel and Saudi Arabia have joined assets in the Levant. Al Nusra on the Golan must
be defeated, the UK/US training camps of rebels in Jordan must be neutralized to fight in the
southern corridor to Damascus.
It must be the
US supported Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) heading towards Deir ez-Zor, a crucial cross-roads
for Islamic State between Raqqa and Anbar province in Iraq. The U.S. will do all to help establish
an enlarged Sunni enclave as a gift for its Arab patrons. A bit of Syria should suffice as punishment
for Assad and allies.
Seems like you missed you missed the big news for today:
On Putin´s order, Sergei Shoigu, the Russian defence minister visited Bashar al Assad and the
Kmeimim base.
That most certainly mean s that something big will be announced next week. Stay tuned...
The Helmer piece on MH17 is interesting. I remember reports that the Australians were prepared
to send troops into the area, but if the Dutch were planning the same thing then it was a NATO
op in all probability. The utter hysteria that had been unleashed in the Western media at the
time would have provided the cover for such bold move. The desired result would not have necessarily
been immediate war with Russia, but certainly the instantaneous creation of cold war standoff
and militarization which has been happening incrementally instead. This could be considered similar
to the sarin attack in Syria, blamed on Assad, with the hasty response of quickly regime-changing
the country, which also was called off (and the policy continued incrementally since). This highlights
the centrality of false-flag events to realize policy, particularly to those favouring rapid game-changing
moves. It is very possible that the next POTUS will be faced with a false-flag atrocity in the
Baltics or mid-east early in the first term, with an attendant bold move offered as response.
"U.S. jets came and the Russian jets went away. The U.S. jets left to refuel, the Russian jets
came back and hit again. Allegedly two U.S. proxy fighters were killed and 18 were wounded.
Earlier today another such attack hit the same target."
Putin seems quite adept at appearing weak (even to his supporters), then BAM!! IMO, this is
not a one-off. No reason to fly clear across Syria to 'make a statement', though it was a helluva
statement!
I expect more of the same, with Russia going back to its original strategy, which worked quite
well. So much for Obama's foreign policy (don't do stupid shit).
Thanks Terry for the Bouthaina Shaaban speech. The most amazing are the questions after the 30 mn
speech. A dozen of female hyenas talking non-sense! At some stage one of them is clearly becoming
hysterical. Hard to believe they are simply ill-informed. Most of these people are on pay-list, for
sure. It is relieving to see a Muslim woman talking naturally, unveiled, in the middle of Ramadan. Shaaban
is really strong to manage to keep her calm.
At the Khmeimim airbase, the General of the army Sergei Shoigu inspected the accommodation
of personnel and issues of providing with all types of support, and also met with Russian pilots
performing combat missions to destroy the terrorist infrastructure in Syria and military units
for the protection and security of the air base. The head of the Russian military tested the
combat duty at the command post of the air defense group, and also the starting positions of
anti-aircraft missile system S-400, which is stationed at the air base," stated the message
of the Defense Ministry.
Speaking at the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum, Putin said that maintaining Syria's
integrity must be the top priority and warned that the disintegration of the Middle Eastern
country would be a "destabilizing factor not only for the region, but for the whole world."
"We must act carefully, step by step, aiming to establish trust between all sides to the
conflict," the Russian president said, adding that a new and effective government could be
formed in Syria once this trust is finally built. A political process is the only way to reach
peace, Putin said, stressing that Syrian President Bashar Assad "also agrees to such a process."
Minister of Defence General of the Army Sergei # Shoigu ordered the Chief of
the Russian Centre for reconciliation of opposing sides Lieutenant General Sergei #Chvarkov
to build up negotiations with heads of administrations and armed formation commanders on joining
national truce process.
To remove any ambiguity about the status of the Free Syrian Army, a representative was present
at this year's Herzliya Conference. This annual conference is dedicated to issues relating to
Israel's Security. Netanyahu and high level Israeli Military Intelligence leaders state they prefer
ISIS to Assad.
b, an excellent piece, if what you alleged were true! It's now or never. The regime in
Washington must be stop. If not now, when? You cannot trust Obomo, Hillary, Trump or Bernie, regardless
who is in the WH.
@7 terry.. ditto mina's comment @26 - thanks for sharing that video... pretty enlightening how
thick the propaganda is inside the usa for them to question Syrian presidential adviser Dr Bouthaina
Shaaban in the manner they do... her comment at 49 minutes in is pretty strong and clear..
War criminal Obama was the lead advocate for bombing Syrian government a few years ago, thats until
the UK Parliament put a temporary stop to it.
So any credit given to Obama by b , or anyone else is ludicrous. LUDICROUS.
The destruction of Libya still gets Obama mitigation ?
But Putin invited the evil US Empire into Syria. What kind of fool would invite humanities
worst enemy, as well as Russia's biggest enemy, into a conflict where they oppose each other.
Grotesque stupidity.
Lets be clear there are meetings behind closed doors among players, we are just speculating. While
Syria might be the main focus point, Kiev continues bombing Separatists in Donbass, Venezuela
in the blinks of anarchy. In joint military exercises off India's east coast, China and Russia's
warships watching war game between US, Japan and India...
Here something you got to watch: TeleSurTV: Media Review: The World According to Seymour Hersh:
Part Two
I loved this story. I am somewhat in awe of how the Russians have handled their Syrian presence,
and the gains they make with every move. Did they have the moral weight 6 months ago to destroy
US assets and perhaps US citizens on the ground in Syria? It seems certain that they do now. They
seem to have tested all the players in the US establishment and discovered none who can stand
up to them.
What will the US do next? On past performance, all it can do is lie, cheat and steal, but all
this within the paradigms set by Russia and the UN. One assumes that Russia's command has every
permutation of treachery war-gamed already, with contingency moves in place. I suggest popcorn.
It is to the benefit of world peace that the Syrian part of the war between Russia and the
US proceed as slowly and deliberately as possible. With every day that passes Russia becomes militarily
stronger and US military force continues to atrophy without renewal, while its policy-making remains
frozen with no intellectual refreshment or inventiveness.
Putin and his team are such astonishingly mature peacemakers that every provocation or twitch
of malice by the US is net with calm. The global effort continues to allow the US to sink to its
knees with as much grace as can be managed. So far, nobody has had to nuke the US, and for this
I'm grateful. There is one good and final slapping that the US has to take in public before its
time is over, and I yearn for the day, but I think it's far off yet, somewhere in a single-digit
range of years.
@39 Russia doesn't want a quagmire, nor does it want Western Sanctions. If Syria wasn't a militarily
weak and spent force, things would probably go a lot smoother. Instead, outsiders are having to
fight outsiders, and Russia and Iran are not tier-1 allies for whatever reason. Russia and China
have never shown much defense against western aggression against 'partner' countries as it is,
so Syria has been quite a stretch.
For Iran, Hezbollah and Syrians, Syria is the battle of a lifetime, but for Russia, it's maybe
a bargaining chip, or a something less, or something more.. we just don't know. All we can do
it wait and see what happens, for we'll never truly know what Russia's intentions in the region
are until after the fact.
I personally want the 'evil' side to be thwarted on all fronts, as it's akin to a cancer that
will destroy the host (Syria and its society) unless it's excised. There are multiple ways of
accomplishing it, but there are multiple ways of failing as well. I guess that's why I'm glad
I'm here making opinions, rather than being in any sort of command position. I just hope that
the next administration in Washington will be sick of this business, but unfortunately seems more
or less to be only one side that probably won't win(Trump)
lebretteurfredonnant | Jun 18, 2016 5:28:16 PM |
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Hello everyone I heard That France was building a military base near kobane. Is that true ? Can
someone knowledgeable in the matter or b shed some light on this news ?
At the least during Nam we were given the 'Domino Theory' which, if you could consume enough alcohol,
made perfect sense. The Gulf of Tonkin Incident! Where a country without a Navy attacked our Navy.
Where do I enlist!
In 2016 we have the batsh*t crazy appointed government bureaucrats siding with the sole interests
of a foreign country. Circle talking seems to be the normal state of affairs at State, Executive
and MSM. PBS has gone full Karl Marx. Congress has an 16% approval rating, 80% disapproval, and
4% no opinion [1]. So I guess Congress doesn't really matter? And as far as our military command
goes, when you can use 'sold out' and 'son of a bitch' in the same sentence, we, as a nation might
have a major problemo.
I think people should note that this is all Russia black eyeing as collusion with Assad the evil
dictator,and it all is about the upcoming election,where Trump,contrary to certain misinfo agents
here,supports Russias efforts and promises to try and get along with the neolibcons enemies, who
will be ejected from their positions by an American nationalist administration.All these creeps
have been installed by the shrub.The HB and Obomba,all American zeros.
And look at the Olympic blanket judgement on innocent Russian athletes, more propaganda and demonization.
I haven't heard anything from Trump since Hillary's apotheosis, actually a little before. Has
he stopped talking? Or has the corporate media just stopped publishing him? Obama, Kerry, the
50 dancing diplomats ... all that stuff seems made to order for Trump to roll over.
For Iran, Hezbollah and Syrians, Syria is the battle of a lifetime, but for Russia, it's
maybe a bargaining chip ...
Actually, Putin has said that their intervention in Syria is in Russia's strategic interests -
making much the same argument that Bush did wrt al Queda: we need to fight them there so
that we don't have to fight them here .
Russia doesn't want to see extremist control of another failed state like Libya.
lebretteurfredonnant | Jun 18, 2016 7:05:52 PM |
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Clearly there is an ongoing battle in the Obama Administration between Mostly the pentagon (at
least some part of it) and the CIA (most part of it). Obama is well aware of this.
Obama's Strategy
has been to isolate Russia Politically and to shift the main focus of United State Towards Asia
however the unexpected resistance of Russia and Syria wasn't forecast by his administration and
part of the Deep state. Now part of the heads in the pentagon and the Obama administration want
out of this proxy war against Russia as the World and mainly the US public becomes more and more
aware of the real nature of the war ongoing in Syria. The heart of the matter is that The members
of the oligarchy that rule the united states through revolving doors between the government , their
law firms, foundations, banks and corporations can't afford to lose Syria for obvious reason.
On
the geopolitical scale The control of the silk Road and Pipeline is of primary importance especially
the latter if the us wants to efficiently keep its grip on Europe for the next 30 years.France
and mainly Germany could turn to Russia as noted by the willing of many member of their oligarchy
and this would be a near devastating blow for the US empire.To take an example Europe is more
or less today what India was for Great Britain back before the end of world war two.It might be
difficult accepting or believing that one country in the near east such as Syria could old such
a role in the destiny of an empire but that's exactly it.Syria is in our current present the country
where channel all the opposition to the new world order made in America and if it wasn't for the
inability of The States to wage a war against Russia a world war Three-this time without proxy-would
be in the making.
The Good news is that I have never seen the united States leads a war against adversaries of the
same caliber able to efficiently strike back to them (with the exception of japan) as the main
lead...Remember It is the Russians who defeated Germany not the US..everything else is just propaganda.The
US is more of empire that uses trickery and the weaknesses of its adversaries to forward its agenda
more than anything else;otherwise they always ends up negotiating. I will probably be proven wrong
at some point but not by the Russians as of now.
"But Putin invited the evil US Empire into Syria."
No he didn't .... UN resolution was approved under Medvedev.
lebretteurfredonnant | Jun 18, 2016 8:36:21 PM |
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@dahoit
I can't believe there is people still believing in politician more so when they have been proven
liars time and time again.I am all for the welcoming of a saviour and providential man but anyone
doing a serious background check (as should any voter) on trump knows the man is a crook .I mean
I understand the desire for hope but it shouldn't blind us.
Trump is just an Obama from the left
and that is about it.The Deep state has gotten stronger since the Kennedy's Assassination and
is unlikely to release its grip on Syria knowing its geostrategic necessity to the empire.
Trump will never be ruling the show on the main strategies of the empire, never, unless he wants
himself dead. The only thing that will defeat the US empire in Syria is Russian will nothing short
of that. Unless The States are able to pull some magic tricks unknown to us at that point. For one
thing certain a war is very unlikely (although many want it)against such a mighty foe as Russia-for
now.
The story printed out by many mainstream newspapers on Bill Clinton advising Trump on phone
to run as a candidate should give anyone pause as to the hidden scheme behind politic and the
trump and Clinton family friendship.Yet Some people still believe trump is an opposition to the
system. That boggles the mind.Really.The only reason I can find explaining this attitude in someone
knowledgeable of the trickery of the States is political correctness (quiet powerful actually)
or blindness and irrational hope....now some say faith is irrational...however I was not expecting
to see it having such large part in modern politics.
ALberto @ 45 You say that "PBS has gone full Karl Marx". I haven't watched or listened to that
PBS tripe ever . But considering that PBS is 90% corporate funded, I find it hard to accept
your assertion ... it is merely a corporate/permanent government psy-op to keep the intellectually
and morally challenged sedated.
A piece in
today's Wall Street Journal indicates that despite the growing pressure, Obama means to stick
by his policy of limited intervention. Of course he's being pig-headed in insisting "Assad must
go," but what he's doing beats full-scale US invasion of Syria, "no-fly" zones and similar madness
favored by Hillary and likely to lead to WW III although, as John Pilger puts it, WW has already
started; on the other hand, it hasn't yet gone thermonuclear, and I see that as a distinct advantage.
Thank you Grieved, in particular for reminding us as follows:
". . .malice by the US is met with calm. The global effort continues to allow the US to sink
to its knees with as much grace as can be managed."
This was well illustrated at the opening of the St. Petersburg economic conference. Pointed
questions about political candidates were countered by Putin in a deft manner that left no doubt
of his assessment of the 'leading' candidates, without calling anyone a hitler or any suggestion
of interference in the US political process. I don't believe Putin is any fonder of Trump than
he is of Ms. Clinton - he stated he'll work with whomever comes out on top (my words) and had
kind words to say for Bill - not for his policies but for his encouragement of Putin early on.
Very diplomatic, and wise.
Where have our wise politicians gone? We did have a few once. Couldn't we please just sink
to our knees gracefully? The world would love us if we did. Here - I'll be first. (Sinks to knees.)
After all, tonight is the night of Pentecost and Sunday we do the magnificent kneeling prayers
for the first time since before Easter.
Obama's Syria SNAFU was always destined to boil down to Yankees playing Russian Roulette - with Russia.
They're probably beginning to realise that playing cat and mouse loses a lot of its appeal when the
cat starts getting ready to eat you.
lebretteurfredonnant@44 - I'm not really knowledgeable in the matter, but I have broadband and
type fast for what it's worth.
Little detail is known about the base, but it may be the former Syrian Army Mishtenur/Mushtannour
Hill Military Base shown on wikimapia
here . The location is just the flat top of Mishtenur Hill (just south of Kobane) with a bulldozed
revetment around the periphery. No idea what the Syrian Army used it for - it may have been a
simple observation post with a few artillery pieces (long gone). There are no structures on the
hilltop other than a commercial radio tower and a few shacks at the northern edge. The hilltop
itself isn't much more than 200m x 600m - not large enough for a fixed-wing airstrip but plenty
of room for helicopters and a small contingent of French Special Forces. The Kurds probably have
a few people there as headchopper lookouts/snipers.
The Mishtenur Hill location should be considered speculative - I only recall a couple of mentions
in english-language Kurdish press. It makes sense to put it there, but who knows.
Months ago when the U.S. was building its 'secret' base at the
Rmelian airstrip , there were rumors of a second 'U.S. base' being constructed somewhere around
Kobane, but nothing was heard after that. Not sure if that rumor was related to the potential
Mishtenur Hill location the French may be using.
The Kurds and Kurdish Press have been very tight-lipped about these bases for obvious reasons,
so I wouldn't expect to ever see much on them. CNN had a crew run out to Rmeilan so we know it
exists and was being worked on, but they were not allowed on the 'base' and couldn't see much
over the protective berms surrounding it. There are no pictures or video of the current state.
I would imagine the French SF base - wherever it ends up - will remain shrouded in mystery as
well.
If you're doing any on-line searches, keep in mind that these locations have proper Turkish/Kurdish/Arabic
names, not 'english' ones. There may be half-a-dozen variations on the derived english name used
in various media sources as was the case for Rmeilan.
This is very, very alarming and I get a strong sense it's about a lot more than separating rebels
from AQ. I also wonder who is really at that base in Tanf.
Have to also keep in mind the daily escalation of hostility around the NATO meetings leading
up to the Warsaw summit.
Putin did a press conf at the end of the St Petersburg econ summit and a Canadian press exec
asked about NATO troops deploying to their border. He gave a long answer about US walking away
from a missile treaty that had kept the world from serious global war for 70yrs, etc. Had a lot
to say about missiles. I wonder.
DANA ROHRABACHER, California. We import 750,000 tons of vital minerals and material every year.
An increasing global demand for supplies of energy and strategic minerals is sparking intense
economic competition that could lead to a counterproductive conflict.
A ''zero sum world'' where no one can obtain the means to progress without taking them from someone
else is inherently a world of conflict.
Additional problems arise when supplies are located in areas where production could be disrupted
by political upheaval, terrorism or war.
Thanks. Actually I'd read that one. I rarely read anything of Justin Raimondo's at aw.com,
but I read that one for some reason. It's the run down for those who haven't been paying attention,
I thought. Let me look again ...yeah, it's not the Republican candidate (yet) talking about it,
but for that one cryptic comment, it's Justin Raimondo talking about it, and he ain't running
for president. Of course he's write-in candidate, as are about 200 million of the rest of us.
But that is just the kind of a pitch that Trump needs to make, has to make really, to keep
from being steamrolled by the DNC machine and all the monied interests to whom its sold-out and
who are consequently supporting it. Trump is pretty well-free of supervision by the Republicrat
party and he needs something COMPLETELY DIFFERENT from what the Demoblicans are trying to make
the election about. He could get a lot of attention, and possibly support, from the antiwar right
and left, he could pick up Bernie's betrayed ... if he went after not only the sheer misanthropy
of it all but the tawdriness, the treachery, the self-dealing of the neo-cons ... at least he
could bring all that into the open. Make the neo-cons, their wars and the MIC a topic in the contest.
He made a good start with his remarks on Russian and Putin. I think it's his most promising row
to hoe.
But I haven't heard much at all from Trump himself lately, he seems to be 'thinking' ... lining
up money, more likely, and tailoring his message accordingly. He's not interested in 'investing'
whatever money he actually has in a political campaign. He took money from Adelson, has neo-cons
on his payroll.
Hillary's so predictably evil, and he's so officially 'unpredictable' that he's the natural
focal point of the selection circus. It's too bad only one of them can lose.
I'm going to write-in a candidate, and I hope that millions more of us will as well. If the
write-in/none-of-the-above/spoiled-ballot total exceeded that of either of these two sorry characters
we'd be off and running ourselves.
Due to appeal of the American party, representatives of the Russian an US defence departments
held videoconference on implementing the Memorandum on preventing incidents while performing
military operations in the airspace of Syria dating October 20, 2015.
The American party has informed the Russian one about alleged premeditated strike by the
Russian Aerospace Forcers on detachments of the Syrian opposition in the south of Syria on
June 16, 2016 in despite of appeals of the US.
Representatives of the Russian Defence Ministry explained that the object, which had suffered
bombardment, was located more than 300 km far from borders of territories claimed by the American
party as ones controlled by the opposition joined the ceasefire regime.
The Russian Aerospace Forces operated within the agreed procedures and forewarned member
states of the US-led coalition about the ground targets to strike on. The American party
has not presented coordinates of regions of activity of opposition controlled by the US. This
caused impossibility to correct actions of the Russian aviation.
Therefore, actions by the Russian party have been carried out in strict observance of the
Joint Russian-American statement and the Memorandum.
Moreover, within last few months, the Russian defence department has been suggesting compiling
a joint map with actual information about location of forces active in Syria. However, there
has been no significant progress reached.
The parties exchanged their opinions in a constructive manner. They were aimed at strengthening
cooperation in fighting against terrorist formations in Syria and preventing all incidents
while performing military operations in the territory of Syria
So - either cooperated, or get your "assets" annihilated. Let's see what the U.S. will come up
with ...
@ jfl | 67 Ok. Trump seems consistent in his ideas: Don't mess in other countries, don't provoke Russia, only secure
US-borders. Now I see the article I gave isn't from Tyler Durden, but from Justin Raimondo.
Case and point - when Ukie nazis were shelling Donbass cities, resistance went into offensive
and broke through the nazis and made them run, Putin forced the resistance to stop immediately,
under the gunpoint (literally*). Ukies returned to allowed by Russia front lines right on the
outskirts of Donbass cities, and started using artillery and mortars on them again, then Putin
acted angry about it.
The choices we have:
a) Putin made a cold calculated deal with his "Western partners" and let it happen, and then acted
angry on TV for public perception.
b) Putin couldnt foresee it as he is stupid.
So which is it? I'm pretty sure everyone here will agree Putin is anything but stupid, which
leaves us with option a)
*Idealistic Donbass resistance leaders who wanted to continue offensive and at the very least
push nazis away from the cities, were removed by Russia. Either under blackmail and death threats
(like Strelkov), or literally assassinated them (like Batman and others). Follow the history and
facts, Russia's leadership arent idealist do-gooders as some like to imagine. Just because they
are against even bigger evil like US, doesnt make Russia saintly.
Harry | Jun 19, 2016 6:37:50 AM | 76
Just because they are against even bigger evil like US, doesnt make Russia saintly.
Well, if your comparing the U.S. and Russia for saintly-ness; Russia wins, hands down.
Again; the differences are chess to checkers; I just like and enjoy Pres. Putin's style; a class
act under duress.
I'm glad you recognise the U.S. as the greater evil (by orders of magnitude).
Putin is leaps and bounds ahead of someone like Obama, there is no question. However I respect
other resistance leaders even more, who are greater class acts, dont betray alies and are under
much greater duress than Putin ever experienced, like Nasrallah, Khameinei (before nuke deal)
and especially Assad. There is much to admire about them.
No argument there; but all of the above (including Putin) are facing annihilation from/by the
hegemon.
It's the main reason I fear war is immanent.
The insanity is palpable, no?
I already posted that in #64
and jfl reacted in #67
In the article a remarkable fragment about Gen. Michael Flynn:
The Washington Post, in its mission to debunk every word that comes out of Trump's mouth, ran
an article by Glenn Kessler minimizing the DIA document, claiming that it was really nothing
important and that we should all just move along because there's nothing to see there. He cited
all the usual Washington insiders to back up his thesis, but there was one glaring omission:
Gen. Michael Flynn, who headed up the DIA when the document was produced and who was forced
out by the interventionists in the administration. Here is what Flynn told Al-Jazeera in an
extensive interview:
Al-Jazeera: "You are basically saying that even in government at the time you knew these groups
were around, you saw this analysis, and you were arguing against it, but who wasn't listening?
Flynn: I think the administration.
Al-Jazeera: So the administration turned a blind eye to your analysis?
Flynn: I don't know that they turned a blind eye, I think it was a decision. I think it
was a willful decision.
Al-Jazeera: A willful decision to support an insurgency that had Salafists, Al Qaeda and
the Muslim Brotherhood?
Flynn: It was a willful decision to do what they're doing."
Of course, Glenn Kessler and the Washington Post don't want to talk about that. Neither do
the Republicans in Congress, who supported aid to the Syrian rebels and wanted to give them
much more than they got. They're all complicit in this monstrous policy – and they all bear
moral responsibility for its murderous consequences.
Gen. Flynn, by the way, is an official advisor to Trump, and is often mentioned as a possible
pick for Vice President.
Rumors are growing that Germany is set to deploy special operation forces in Northern Syria
in order to assist the predominantly Kurdish Syrian Democratic Forces that has laid a siege
on the
strategic ISIS-controlled city of Manbij . Reports look realistic amid a series of deployments
by different Western states.
The US built a base in an abandoned airport in the Syrian Kurdish region Hasakah in 2015
and American troops have been participating in clashes against ISIS near Manbij since May 2016.
France's Defense Ministry admitted the presence of its special forces on the ground in Syria
on June 9. French troops have reportedly built a military base near the city of Kobane and
are participating in clashes with ISIS along with SDF and US units.
"I would personally be more inclined to leave, for a lot of reasons like having a lot less
bureaucracy," he told the Sunday Times. "But I am not a British citizen. This is just my opinion."
The billionaire businessman also told the newspaper that he would seek to have good relationships
internationally if he were elected president in November, including with David Cameron. The
British Prime Minister has in the past called Trump's proposed temporary ban on Muslims entering
the United States "divisive, stupid and wrong".
Trump also said that if he became president he would try to improve the trade deals the
U.S. has with China, and work more closely with Russia and that could include co-operating
with Russia in the fight against Islamic State.
The only thing with quotes is the first, the rest is 'old' news, isn't it? "try to improve the
trade deals the U.S. has with China, ... work more closely with Russia ... co-operating with Russia
in the fight against Islamic State" That's the kind of stuff that draws a line between himself
and Hillary, the harridan horde, and the 50 dancing diplomats. I think that's the vein I would
mine if I were The Donald. But I'm not. As I'm sure you've noticed.
Wayoutwest@84 John McCain has already advocated for man pads to be supplied to the US "good terrorists".
The Russians can handle that situation simply by flying higher. The unknown repercussions are
a different matter. Ben Gurion airport the only International airport in Israel and the hub of
its commerce and tourist industry, some analysts say the closure of Ben Gurion for an extended
period of time could wreck the Israeli economy. All the Israelis need is a few manpads operating
a few miles from Ben Gurion airport or even the threat thereof of bringing down civilian airliners
should concentrate the mind. Remember just one wayward missile fired by Hamas, which landed 1
mile from the airport was enough for the FAA to cancel all flights into and out of Ben Gurion.
Russia Dismantles the Myth of the American Navy's Invincibility
~~~
Russian hypersonic weapons
The main Russian hypersonic weapon are derived from space glider Yu-71 (Project 4202), which
flew during tests at a speed of 6000-11200 km/h over a distance of 5,500 km at a cruising altitude
below 80,000 m, receiving repeated pulses from a rocket engine to climb, execute maneuvers and
cornering trajectory. It is estimated that the glider is armed with warheads that are spatially
independent, with autonomous guidance systems similar to the air-ground missiles Kh-29 L/T and
T Kh-25 (which provides a probable deviation of 2-6 m). Although it may take nuclear warheads,
the space glider will be armed with conventional warheads and will be powered by a rocket launched
normally from nuclear-powered Russian submarines.
~~~
Hypersonic concept for a war
The new Russian military doctrine states that an attack on the American invasion fleet is to
be executed in three waves, three alignments, thus preventing American expeditionary naval groups
from positioning themselves near the Russian coast of the Baltic Sea. The first wave of hypersonic
weapons, consisting of space gliders arranged on Russian nuclear-powered submarines under immersion
in the middle of the Atlantic, starts fighting US naval expeditionary groups as they start crossing
the Atlantic to Europe. The American naval groups need 7-8 days to cross the Atlantic; the plane
Il-76MD-90A has a maximum flight distance of 6300 km and can be powered in the air, reaching the
middle of the Atlantic Ocean in a few hours. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article44902.htm
Associated Press 6/19/2016 Russia says US failed to provide Syrian opposition locations
MOSCOW - The Russian military on Sunday rejected the Pentagon's accusations that it had deliberately
targeted U.S.-backed Syrian opposition forces, arguing the U.S. had failed to warn about their
locations.
Russian Defense Ministry spokesman, Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov, said the area targeted in the
strike was more than 300 kilometers (186 miles) away from locations earlier designated by the
U.S. as controlled by legitimate opposition forces.
The Pentagon said it held a video conference Saturday with the Russian military to discuss
Russian air strikes Thursday on the At-Tanf border garrison, which targeted Syrian opposition
forces fighting the Islamic State group.
"Russia's continued strikes at At-Tanf, even after U.S. attempts to inform Russian forces through
proper channels of ongoing coalition air support to the counter-ISIL forces, created safety concerns
for U.S. and coalition forces," it said in a statement.
Konashenkov retorted that the Russian military had warned the U.S. in advance about the planned
strike, but the Pentagon had failed to provide coordinates of legitimate opposition forces,
"making it impossible to take measures to adjust the Russian air force action."
He added that the Russian military had proposed months ago to share information about locations
of various forces involved in military action in Syria to create a comprehensive map, but the
Pentagon hasn't been forthcoming.
Turkish border guards have shot dead at least eight Syrians, including four children, who were
trying to cross into Turkey, activists say.
A further eight people were injured, said the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a UK-based
monitoring group.
The shooting took place at a border crossing north of the Syrian town of Jisr al-Shugour, which
is controlled by jihadist groups.
Turkey has repeatedly denied its guards shoot at Syrians crossing the border.
More than 2.5 million Syrians who fled the war have taken refuge in Turkey. Turkey has now
closed its borders to Syrians.
The Associated Press news agency quoted a senior Turkish official as saying: "We are unable
to independently verify the claims" regarding the shooting, but said authorities were investigating.
As well as four children, three women and a man were also killed, the Observatory said.
Other Syrian opposition groups put the death toll at 11.
Since the beginning of 2016, nearly 60 civilians have been shot while trying to flee across
the border from Syria into Turkey, the Observatory says.
IMHO the political solution just doesn't exist, because most of the fighters are likely foreigners
who don't give a sh!t about Syria or Syrians. bbb @ 23.
I have read that there are about 30-40K of them, a large number (?) imho, because one tends
to underestimate the mayhem well-organised small groups can cause in a fractured, now extremely
vulnerable, shattered, society.
One of the problems for the pro-Assad side, I read, is that once some or many opponents are
killed others just show up!
This last argument is faulty, because while the West likes to paint these forces as either:
ideologically/religiously motivated by IS, or even politically-nationally in the sense of a 'New
Caliphate', or, alternatively, as rebels against a corrupt despotic national order (freedom-fighters
against Assad.)
All descriptions miss the mark (there might be some slivers of truth in the sense of 'rationalisations'…)
The bulk of them are mercenaries, imho, lost young men who are paid, regain agency, can send
money to families, participate in a cause, and experience soldered group-think and communal 'being,'
violent life to perpetrate barbaric acts on occasion, particularly against villagers, women, all
would be repressed at home. Their pay is collapsing, at least halved (IS has been fractured and
various income streams have become dodgy, oil for ex., support for losers always plummets) and
so they leave, the hook becomes less glam, etc. Death also more certain. This one jihad is no
longer *that* attractive.
Yes, these fighters don't give a sh*t about Syrians. They are fighting their 'own' war against
the all the West (their enemy indeed), and therefore against Assad as afforded the opportunity.
'Islamist' forces *instrumentalised*, not a new move or flash news..the contradictions are ignored.
The fighters are patsy-cum-proxy forces, expendable. No seat at the High Table for them.
A more informed, better picture of the forces on the ground ? .. ??
Obama warned Putin that he could face a 'quagmire' and 'costs'. To paraphrase Madeline Albright:
What good is a proxy army if you don't use it?
Obama and his Administration is a collection of lawyers, political pseudo-"scientists", journos
etc. They are very good at promoting suicidal social policies but do not and cannot operate with
actual operational categories--briefings by CIA or Pentagon (granted that they reflect a reality
on the "ground", which is a question) are not designed to teach some Ivy League lawyer fundamentals
of international relations, strategy, operational art etc. They merely distill a very complex
geopolitical reality to a several catch phrases which could be understood by people of such qualities
as W. (his military briefings papers contained headers with Bible excerpts, supposedly applicable
to current situation) or Obama, who has no clue on how to assess the world around himself.
In
this case the term "quagmire" is merely a simulacra produced by US media (this part Obama understands)
to represent a huge number of military and political factors which influence achieving objectives
of any campaign (or war) and which require addressing by professionals -- this is NOT Modus Operandi
by US top political "elite".
In relation to Russia what Obama has in mind is beaten to death cliche
of Afghanistan (obviously without studying that war) with which he wants to impress Russians,
who, meanwhile fought two bloody wars against Wahhabi terrorists on own territory and, somehow,
do know, unlike Obama or US liberal political class, what does it take to deal with this huge
issue. In the end, during last War in Chechnya US media loved to misuse this very term (quagmire)
and completely forgot to mention that Chechnya today is, actually, pretty reliable anti-terrorism
entity in Russia. Now, add here most of US "elites" and a population being absolutely oblivious
to real war and voila'. You have people speaking in platitudes and ignorant cliches.
@ Noirette #95 - Thank you for putting into words the diminishing appeal of being mercenaries
for the losing side.
It's an important dynamic that extends throughout the world and across many fields, not just
in local battles by fighters with guns. It's a way in which wars are lost without being obvious
at first. It parallels the way in which the US is losing its war against Russia and China in so
many ways that are not completely obvious.
The US military is losing to Russia. The US dollar is
losing to the Shanghai Gold Exchange. But neither Russia nor China have any reason to overpower
the US in either of these fields, not today at least. Meanwhile, on the sidelines, all the mercenary
instincts of players in all fields and all nations and with all interests are finely attuned to
the quiet calculation of which side is winning or losing.
And out of the blue at times we see moments of disaffection - the UK of all allies, against
the wishes of its sponsor the US,
joins the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank, because being on the winning side in some
areas matters more than staying with the loser.
It takes time to create critical mass and tipping points, but we can see the pot coming to
the boil if we want to.
Yes, if only the Yemeni army and Houthi's had ballistic missiles capable of reaching Saudi
oil facilities. Remember, Saudi's Shiite minority live right on top of its vast oil fields.
51 neocons warmongers, who need to be send to Afghanistan for some on site learning. Nuland's birds
of feather try to get worm places in Hillary new administration, playing on her war hawk tendencies...
Those "diplomats" forgot about the existence of Saudis and other theocracies which are much more brutal
and less democratic, viewing woman as domestic animals. These are dark times for American foreign
policy. the easy part is to depose Assad. But what might happen after Assad is disposed of? You
know, the hard part, what follows?
Notable quotes:
"... These Diplomats should be fired as idiots. Did they not just live through the Iraqi occupation, destruction and disaster? ..."
"... Are you a bit confused as to who these neocon dissenters at State support in the Syrian civil war? ..."
"... This is simply a roll call of neocon diplomats making a case for another non-strategic war that would badly hurt US interests. It does not represent State Department policy. The neocons have been very persistent in securing career appointments at State for decades now. ..."
"... You are pushing the world closer to war. ..."
"... what is intolerable about the position of the 51 "diplomats" in the memo is that it is their (failed) efforts to dislodge Assad by proxy, facilitating and organizing the flow of arms that more often than ended up in the hands of hard-line jihadists, that has led to almost 400,000 deaths (not to mention wounded) and the flight of over a million refugees. ..."
"... Wow, sounds like some housecleaning is needed at State. Whatever happened to jaw-jaw being better than war-war? If they are so keen on military action, they're in the wrong building. I'm sure some of the overworked troops and officers in the armed forces would be happy to let these guys take a few of the chances of getting shot or blown up that they deal with daily. ..."
"... It is troubling that the State Department, long a bulwark of common sense against America's foreign adventurism, has become as hawkish as its former head, Hillary Clinton. ..."
"... The Middle East Institute is financed, primarily, by the petroleum and arms industries. The Washington Institute for Near Eastern Policy has HRC's close ally, Dennis Ross; who, with Martin Indyk, founded AIPAC in the mid-80's. ..."
"... This group's contention that direct confrontation with Russia could be avoided echoes their 2002 claim that Operation Iraqi Freedom would be a three month cake walk. ..."
"... Since WWII, U.S. foreign policy has been rooted in the projection and use of force (covert and overt) as the primary means to achieve whatever goals the executive office seeks. It placed the world on notice that the U.S. was ready and willing to use violence to back its foreign policy objectives. Just as in Vietnam and before the disastrous decision to escalate the use of ground forces, President Johnson's national security advisors (all holdovers from Kennedy's Presidency) pressed Johnson to use aerial bombardment against N. Vietnam to induce them to seek a negotiated peace that would allow the U.S. to withdraw from the conflict and save face while preserving the policy of projecting force as a means to maintain world order in accordance with U.S. designs. ..."
"... My oldest son is now completing his sixth Afghan/Iraq tour.I don't want him in Syria. Let these 51 diplomats volunteer their sons/daughters for Syria.That'll demonstrate their commitment.I'll bet not one of these 51 "geniuses" has a child on active military duty in Iraq/Afghan. ..."
"... These folks are, it appears, mid-level foreign service officers like I was. They are utterly unqualified to make these judgements as the Department of State is a failed organization culturally and functionally. Like HRC, who is still advocating for forced regime change if she wins, they have learned nothing from the past and again have no answer for what follows Asad being deposed. A majority Sunni regime in Syria will tear Iraq apart and there is no likelihood of it avoiding the trajectory of other "pluralistic" Arab state attempts. The fact that State has no culture of strategic analysis informing operational design and operational planning which, in turn, spawn series of tactical events, comes clear in situations like this. Doing nothing is the best case here. Tragic but still the best case. President Obama has seen this. Asad needs to regain control of Syria's territory, all of it. Feeding the hopes of the Ahmed Chalabi equivalents in Syria is perpetuating the violence. And, there is no room for an independent Kurdistan in the region, nor is it in the United States' interest for there to be one. ..."
"... That's the same class of people who figured that invading in Iraq in 2003 would turn out all right. ..."
"... Exhibit A being Samantha Power, the latest in a long line of militaristic, European-born white Americans (see Albright, Kissinger, Brzezinski) who believe that American firepower can bring order to the world. ..."
"... Sorry hawkish diplomats, but you're living in a fantasyland where the invasion of Iraq in 2003 did not permanently tarnish the image of the USA and wreck its credibility as an honest arbiter. That is the reality all US presidents will have to face in the post-Bush 43 era. ..."
"... Are those 51 U.S. Diplomats responsible for advising the Obama Administration to bomb Libya back in 2011? Apparently they have not learned from their mistakes. Or maybe they should just go work for their true Employer, The Military Industrial Complex. ..."
"... This is reckless and irresponsible. US backed "moderates" are fighting elbow to elbow with the Nusra Front and other radicals groups; that is why the cease-fire is collapsing. ..."
"... If we weaken Assad, Islamists will take over Damascus and if Damascus falls, soon Beirut will follow. These folk at State are neo cons, as usual shooting from the hip. ..."
"... Vietnam, 212,000 dead and countless north and south Vietnamese and citizens. Unjust and unwarranted war on Iraq with 4,491 and counting dead and countess Iraqi citizens. Now, Syria? Are you wanting the draft returned? You asking for boots on the ground? How about you 50 join up. I will willingly pay for taxes just arm you and send you in. Along with every other know it all who wants us 'TO DO MORE'!! Spare me. You have learned NOTHING in your past failures, have you? 1956, Iran. Cause the over throw of a duly elected government for the Shahs which led to 1980 revolution to fear of them acquiring nuclear weapons. Vietnam led to 'WHAT'? Now Iraq. ..."
"... The worse destabilization in that area I can remember. Not even during their many attacks on Israel when Egypt got a clue. Fire Saddam Hussein's soldiers and they become ISIS by 2006, yet one bright senator lied and said Obama caused them when we left which was President Bush's treaty Maliki. They did not want us there. Leave per the Iraqi people, also. When ISIS showed up they ran and left the weaponry we gave them and the money in the banks for them to grab. Now, you want us steeped into Syria. It's been said, hindsight is 20/20, ..."
"... In these so called diplomats cases, it is totally and legally blind. Stevie Wonder and Ray Charles has a better perception and one of them is dead. ..."
"... The war hawks, so comfortably away from the battle, are banging those drums of war again. Easy to do when your life and the lives of your fellow military are not at risk. ..."
"... We all know now that the invasion of Iraq by Mr. Bush junior was a) a mistake, and b) a War Crime - there were no threatening WMDs nor did Saddam hold hads with Al Quaeda (he was, actually, their worst enemy - and our security!), so, Iraq was c) total stupidity. It was an aggressive war without any cause - for the USA! ..."
"... This is much more about what Mark Landler thinks than about what those generic diplomats think. The Times's principal hawk, Landler has book and a series of articles pushing his neocon view. I guess we should assume the Times agrees. ..."
"... Having spent substantial time as a private consultant at the US Embassy in Kabul I was shocked by the lack of feelings of midlevel officials there with regard to the dead and injuries of American Troops. The Embassy shared a wall with the ISAF/NATO Main Quarters and every single day the US Flag there was half-mast to acknowledge the dead of our troops on that day in that country. The Embassy never shared this sadness and all midlevel officials there were only concerned about their paycheck, quality of meals served, having a drink, going for a swim, and their frequent trips back to the US; for such people wanting to have a say in when to fight in Syria is a sad state of affair. ..."
"... Perhaps we should figure out one take-down before we move on to the next. After 13 years, we still haven't figured out life in Iraq without Saddam. Any thoughts, neocons, on what might happen after Assad is disposed of? You know, the hard part, what follows? ..."
"... Get Rid of Assad, make relations with Russia worse (they back Assad) and allow ISIS to effectively take over Syria. Sounds like a great plan. I guess our military-industrial complex is getting itchy for a new war. And, of course, doing what these diplomats want will also result in putting boots on the ground. This will be a great legacy for Ms. Clinton (under her watch ISIS came into being), Mr. Kerry (who continued Clinton's failed legacy) and Mr. Obama (the Nobel Peace Prize president; who wasn't). ..."
"... The signers of the dissent letter are militarist neocons (of the Victoria Nuland ilk). More than any other, these people and their CIA collaborators are responsible for the death and destruction in Syria and the ensuing refugee crisis. They can't even give a cogent reason for deposing Assad other than point to the carnage of the civil war they fomented-as if Assad were solely responsible. Assad is acting no differently than the US did during it's own Civil War. ..."
"... The value of the memo can be summed up in one sentence as described in the article itself "what would happen in the event that Mr. Assad was forced from power - a scenario that the draft memo does not address." ..."
"... I wonder about the arrogance of these mid-level State Department foreign service officers. ..."
"... Sure -- a few well-placed cruise missiles will make it all good. Yeah, right. ..."
"... Absolutely amazing. My first question is who released this memo? Having a back channel does not permit anyone to unilaterally decide to release information that could cost lives and ruin negotiations that the releasing person knows nothing about. If you do not like the chain of command, then leave. We cannot continue to be involved in sectarian conflicts that cannot be resolved except by the combatants. Haven't we learned anything from Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, and Vietnam? No neocon insanity. We have lost enough lives and treasure in the ME. ..."
"... Are these the same ingrates who urged Bush to attack Iraq - his legacy - ISIS! ..."
"... As a 26 year Marine Corps combat veteran I have a hard time trying to figure out what is going on here, and a harder time not becoming totally disgusted with our State Department. ..."
"... My suggestion would be that we arm these 51 individuals, given them a week's worth of ammunition and rations, and drop them into Syria, I am sure they can lead the way in showing us how to solve the mess in the ME. ..."
"... It's the fact that these are not "widely known names" which scares me most. However, Western-instituted regime change in that region has proven disastrous in every single country it has been tried. If possible, I would investigate these diplomats' ties to defense contractors. ..."
"... US intervention created the rubble and hell that is now Syria. When Assad had full control of Syria, the human rights of the people of Syria suffered under him but many if not most people led a civilised life. They had water and electricity. Past US interventions created Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya. To puy it simply, life expectancy in all these countries dropped by 20 to 30 years after the US intervened, each time with the highest utopian ideals, and increased the power of Sunni supremacists after each act. ..."
"... Let's not forget that Bush's hasty appointment of Paul Bremer as the hapless Governor of Iraq following the defeat of Hussein's military regime led immediately to the disbanding of the entire Iraqi military, an incredibly short-sighted and reckless move that essentially unleashed 400,000 young trained fighters (including a honed officers corps) absent support programs to assimilate back into Iraqi society, only to have them emerge as readily available fodder essential for ISIS's marshalling a strong military force almost overnight. A huge price is now being exacted for this astounding stupidity. ..."
"... This is conveniently laying grounds for Hillary's grand comeback to the theatre of "humanitarian interventionism" in the Middle East. God help us all, as this is a prelude to the WW3. ..."
"... Wow the neo-cons are beating the war drums yet again! They have already created a huge mess throughout the Middle East with wars and revolutions directly attributable to the United States in invading Afghanistan and Iraq under false pretenses, helping overthrow the government in Libya, and arming rebels in Syria and Yemen. ..."
"... Unfortunately if Hillary Clinton wins, she is a neo-con puppet and we will be at war in Syria and/or Iran within a year or two. God help us! ..."
"... First of all, if this was a channel for employees to share "candidly and privately" about policy concerns, why is it on the front page of the NY Times? Additionally, as usual, it seems the war hawks are hawking war without thought for what comes next. We've done this most recently in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya, all of which are now failed states and havens for terrorists. Because this seems rather obvious, either we are pathologically incapable of learning from past mistakes, or there are people who have an agenda different from the publicly stated one. ..."
"... The U.S. has a lengthy, very sordid history of leaping into the fray in areas such as the Middle East, Southeast Asia, Central America and Afghanistan, among others - all with catastrophic results, for which we never seemed to have a credible, well- crafted plan, nor have we ever comprehended the millennia of internecine tribal hatred and sectarian warfare. ..."
"... I am more scared of US diplomats and politicians than terrorists! Have they learned nothing from the US efforts to create western style democracy in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria (by supporting separatists att an early stage). The US diplomats proposal would ensure more chaos, death and prolonged wR. 38 % of the population are Alewits. They will be killed, Christians will be killed. ..."
ScottW, is a trusted commenter Chapel Hill, NC 16 hours ago
These Diplomats should be fired as idiots. Did they not just live through the Iraqi occupation,
destruction and disaster?
A few years ago, a diplomat who quit was complaining about Syria at a conference I attended.
When I asked who would fill the void if Assad was deposed he said, "That is a difficult question
to answer." What he really meant to say is, "I don't have a clue."
We have already disrupted Syria by supporting rebels/terrorists. The region cannot tolerate
another Iraq.
Dan Stewart, NYC 16 hours ago
Are you a bit confused as to who these neocon dissenters at State support in the Syrian
civil war?
Here's a helpful hint:
If they have beards down to their belt buckles and seem to be hollering something about Allah,
those are the guys the neocons support.
If they're recently shaved and wearing Western attire, in other words, if they look like anyone
you might bump into on a US city street, those are the people the neocons call the enemy.
Retroatavist, DC 10 hours ago
This is simply a roll call of neocon diplomats making a case for another non-strategic
war that would badly hurt US interests. It does not represent State Department policy. The neocons
have been very persistent in securing career appointments at State for decades now. It's
as if we hadn't forgotten the endless horrible mess they got us and the rest of the world into
by breaking Iraq and destroying all its institutions with the insane de-baathification policy.
And it all started with a similar steady drumbeat for war throughout the mid and late '90s and
up to the 2003 disastrous invasion. Did we not learn anything? Really: Whose interest would
an open US war against Assad really serve, and what predictable outcome would be in the US's strategic
favor?
Robert Sawyer, New York, New York 14 hours ago
How many among the 51 are members of "Hillary's Legions, " the same geniuses responsible for
the unqualified success we achieved in Libya?
Gennady, Rhinebeck 16 hours ago
Stop this irresponsible reporting. You are pushing the world closer to war. Humanitarian
support is all we should bring to the Syrian people, regardless of which side they are on.
ScottW, is a trusted commenter Chapel Hill, NC
These Diplomats should be fired as idiots. Did they not just live through the Iraqi occupation,
destruction and disaster?
A few years ago, a diplomat who quit was complaining about Syria at a conference I attended.
When I asked who would fill the void if Assad was deposed he said, "That is a difficult question
to answer." What he really meant to say is, "I don't have a clue."
We have already disrupted Syria by supporting rebels/terrorists. The region cannot tolerate
another Iraq.
Alyoshak, Durant, OK
Isn't Congress supposed to declare war, and the President command our armed forces when such
declarations occur? But what is intolerable about the position of the 51 "diplomats" in the
memo is that it is their (failed) efforts to dislodge Assad by proxy, facilitating and organizing
the flow of arms that more often than ended up in the hands of hard-line jihadists, that has led
to almost 400,000 deaths (not to mention wounded) and the flight of over a million refugees.
But no, these casualties have nothing to do with our attempts at regime change, No!, the blame
for them lies squarely upon Assad for not scooting out of town immediately and submissively when
the U.S. decided it was time for him to go. So now we're supposed to double-down on a deeply immoral
and flawed strategy? How many more Syrians' lives must be ruined to "save" them from Assad?
Everyman, USA 16 hours ago
Wow, sounds like some housecleaning is needed at State. Whatever happened to jaw-jaw being
better than war-war? If they are so keen on military action, they're in the wrong building. I'm
sure some of the overworked troops and officers in the armed forces would be happy to let these
guys take a few of the chances of getting shot or blown up that they deal with daily.
Dan, Alexandria 16 hours ago
It is troubling that the State Department, long a bulwark of common sense against America's
foreign adventurism, has become as hawkish as its former head, Hillary Clinton.
I am grateful to President Obama for resisting this foolishness, but make no mistake, no matter
who gets into office in January, the kind of farcical, counterproductive, unrealistic "limited
engagement" advocated by these so-called diplomats will be our future. Clinton is champing at
the bit for it, and Trump is too weak to do anything but go along with it.
Clark M. Shanahan, Oak Park, Illinois 16 hours ago
Sadly, they'll most likely have a more accommodating commander and chief with HRC.
The Middle East Institute is financed, primarily, by the petroleum and arms industries.
The Washington Institute for Near Eastern Policy has HRC's close ally, Dennis Ross; who, with
Martin Indyk, founded AIPAC in the mid-80's.
This group's contention that direct confrontation with Russia could be avoided echoes their
2002 claim that Operation Iraqi Freedom would be a three month cake walk.
Paul Cohen, is a trusted commenter Hartford CT 15 hours ago
Since WWII, U.S. foreign policy has been rooted in the projection and use of force (covert
and overt) as the primary means to achieve whatever goals the executive office seeks. It placed
the world on notice that the U.S. was ready and willing to use violence to back its foreign policy
objectives. Just as in Vietnam and before the disastrous decision to escalate the use of ground
forces, President Johnson's national security advisors (all holdovers from Kennedy's Presidency)
pressed Johnson to use aerial bombardment against N. Vietnam to induce them to seek a negotiated
peace that would allow the U.S. to withdraw from the conflict and save face while preserving the
policy of projecting force as a means to maintain world order in accordance with U.S. designs.
Nixon carried on this bombing for peace strategy to insane war crime level. This heavy reliance
on military force over a diplomatic solution has never worked. It didn't work for our knee-jerk
response to 9/11 by immediately resorting to military force without first thinking through the
consequences. We are now into our 15th year of aggression against the Muslim World. The time is
long past due to question our failed policy and seek an alternative solution.
Bud, McKinney, Texas 16 hours ago
My oldest son is now completing his sixth Afghan/Iraq tour.I don't want him in Syria. Let
these 51 diplomats volunteer their sons/daughters for Syria.That'll demonstrate their commitment.I'll
bet not one of these 51 "geniuses" has a child on active military duty in Iraq/Afghan.
Abu Charlie, Toronto, Ontario 14 hours ago
These folks are, it appears, mid-level foreign service officers like I was. They are utterly
unqualified to make these judgements as the Department of State is a failed organization culturally
and functionally. Like HRC, who is still advocating for forced regime change if she wins, they
have learned nothing from the past and again have no answer for what follows Asad being deposed.
A majority Sunni regime in Syria will tear Iraq apart and there is no likelihood of it avoiding
the trajectory of other "pluralistic" Arab state attempts. The fact that State has no culture
of strategic analysis informing operational design and operational planning which, in turn, spawn
series of tactical events, comes clear in situations like this. Doing nothing is the best case
here. Tragic but still the best case. President Obama has seen this. Asad needs to regain control
of Syria's territory, all of it. Feeding the hopes of the Ahmed Chalabi equivalents in Syria is
perpetuating the violence. And, there is no room for an independent Kurdistan in the region, nor
is it in the United States' interest for there to be one.
AR, is a trusted commenter Virginia 15 hours ago
How undiplomatic. I don't care that these people are diplomats and that many of them probably
have impeccable academic pedigrees with degrees from the usual suspects such as the Ivy League
schools, SAIS, the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy, and Kennedy. That's the same class
of people who figured that invading in Iraq in 2003 would turn out all right. Obama is correct
to ignore these people, who more often than not are possessed by the notion of American Exceptionalism.
Exhibit A being Samantha Power, the latest in a long line of militaristic, European-born white
Americans (see Albright, Kissinger, Brzezinski) who believe that American firepower can bring
order to the world.
Let this be made clear: Any escalation of American involvement in Syria will be interpreted
as 1) an attempt to enhance the national security of Israel, 2) a means of benefiting the revenue
stream of the American military industrial complex, or 3) both. Only the most naive and foolish
people, since the absolutely disastrous events of 2003, would be inclined to believe that American
military intervention in Syria is motivated mainly by humanitarian impulses.
Sorry hawkish diplomats, but you're living in a fantasyland where the invasion of Iraq
in 2003 did not permanently tarnish the image of the USA and wreck its credibility as an honest
arbiter. That is the reality all US presidents will have to face in the post-Bush 43 era.
Robert Roth, NYC 14 hours ago
Everyone closes their eyes and imagines all the bloodshed they will prevent by all the bloodshed
they will cause.
Samsara, The West 16 hours ago
Have Iraq and Libya taught these State Department officials NOTHING??
Simon, Tampa 15 hours ago
The neo-cons who love regime change that never works. Let us examine their track record:
Iraq - a mess and infested with ISIS and Al Qaeda.
Libya - now an anarchist state infested with ISIS and Al Qaeda.
Yemen - bombing and murdering thousands of innocents and Al Qaeda.
Syria, the only secular Arab state, destroyed and infested with ISIS and Al Qaeda. The only
reason Syria hasn't completely fallen apart is thanks to Assad and his Sunni dominated army, Iran,
and the Russians. So of course, these neo-cons want to complete the job at the behest of the money
they will be getting from the Saudis and the other Gulf States.
Don't worry you warmongering greedy neocon, Hillary Clinton is one of you and will be president
soon enough.
Title Holder, Fl 15 hours ago
Are those 51 U.S. Diplomats responsible for advising the Obama Administration to bomb Libya
back in 2011? Apparently they have not learned from their mistakes. Or maybe they should just
go work for their true Employer, The Military Industrial Complex.
Andrea, New Jersey 15 hours ago
This is reckless and irresponsible. US backed "moderates" are fighting elbow to elbow with
the Nusra Front and other radicals groups; that is why the cease-fire is collapsing. Syrians
and Russians can not split hairs on the battlefield.
If we weaken Assad, Islamists will take over Damascus and if Damascus falls, soon Beirut
will follow. These folk at State are neo cons, as usual shooting from the hip.
Jett Rink, lafayette, la 15 hours ago
Here's the thing most people don't get about ISIS. They thrive on us being involved in the
Middle East. They are willing to kill other Muslims in order to keep us involved. As long as we
are there, terrorism will persist, over there and here too. They are playing us like chumps. They
use our tendency to knee-jerk reactions against us. They're out smarting us at every juncture.
Of course it's human nature to want to help people in such dire straights. But that's exactly
what ISIS wants, and correctly predict, that we'll do. So as long as they out-think us, they'll
continue to win.
If you want to help the innocent people caught in the cross-hairs of ISIS, the best thing we
could possibly do is pack up and leave. There'll be some more carnage, but eventually the backlash
from within will force them to stop the wrecking and killing. Many people will die, but in the
end, the tally would be far fewer.
Their goal is to keep us engaged. Ours should be to get out! As long as we stay, they win.
And that's how they're able to convince long-wolf's to strike us here, even when here is home
to them too.
Joane Johnson, Cleveland, Ohio 15 hours ago
Vietnam, 212,000 dead and countless north and south Vietnamese and citizens. Unjust and
unwarranted war on Iraq with 4,491 and counting dead and countess Iraqi citizens. Now, Syria?
Are you wanting the draft returned? You asking for boots on the ground? How about you 50 join
up. I will willingly pay for taxes just arm you and send you in. Along with every other know it
all who wants us 'TO DO MORE'!! Spare me. You have learned NOTHING in your past failures, have
you? 1956, Iran. Cause the over throw of a duly elected government for the Shahs which led to
1980 revolution to fear of them acquiring nuclear weapons. Vietnam led to 'WHAT'? Now Iraq.
The worse destabilization in that area I can remember. Not even during their many attacks
on Israel when Egypt got a clue. Fire Saddam Hussein's soldiers and they become ISIS by 2006,
yet one bright senator lied and said Obama caused them when we left which was President Bush's
treaty Maliki. They did not want us there. Leave per the Iraqi people, also. When ISIS showed
up they ran and left the weaponry we gave them and the money in the banks for them to grab. Now,
you want us steeped into Syria. It's been said, hindsight is 20/20,
In these so called diplomats cases, it is totally and legally blind. Stevie Wonder and
Ray Charles has a better perception and one of them is dead.
Bev, New York 16 hours ago
Yes the war machine wants more wars. Who will take the place of the evil Assad? We have removed
a number of evil dictators in that area of the world and all it has done is sap our resources,
killed hundreds of thousands of innocents, made millions hate us, and created vacuums of power
which are then filled with Saudi-assisted ISIS - AND profited our war machine (that's the important
part!) We need less involvement in the Mideast, not more. Bring them all home and start transitioning
from a war economy to an economy that serves the American citizens here.
ME, Toronto 13 hours ago
Thank goodness Obama kept his head and didn't (and hopefully won't) listen to such crazy advice.
To call the signers "diplomats" is a real stretch. It seems that somewhere back in time various
U.S. "diplomats" decided that they have the right to decide who and what the government should
be in various jurisdictions throughout the world. Of course this is motivated by purely humanitarian
concerns and love of democracy and not the self-interest of the U.S., as in having a friendly
government in place. As despicable as some governments are, the lessons over many years now should
be that military strikes are just as (maybe more) likely to produce something bad as anything
good. Better to talk and try to influence the development of nations through positive reinforcement
(as Obama has done in Iran). Undoubtedly this is a slow and somewhat frustrating process but that
is something real "diplomats" should be good at. If this process had been pursued in Syria we
would all be better off today and especially the Syrian people.
Mitchell, New York 16 hours ago
I assume these people at State also believe in the Tooth Fairy. The fantasy of "moderate" rebels
who will be grateful to us after they depose a tyrant and put in a fair democratic government
that takes into account all of our Western ideals and freedoms is so unrealistic that these people
at State need to find a job where their last words are, "Can I supersize that for you?" Our involvement
in the Middle East displacing despots and replacing them with chaos has been the biggest disaster
in foreign policy in many decades. Egypt, Iraq, Libya, and even Syria (remember the line in the
sand?). We should join with Russia in destroying ISIS and use our leverage to push Assad to make
some level of concessions.
Dan, Sandy, UT 15 hours ago
Here we go again. The war hawks, so comfortably away from the battle, are banging those
drums of war again. Easy to do when your life and the lives of your fellow military are not at
risk.
Second thought, as stated by a political comedian/satirist, let the Middle East take its own
trash out.
I couldn't agree more.
blackmamba, IL 16 hours ago
Since 9/11/01 only 0.75% of Americans have volunteered to put on the military of any American
armed force. They have been ground to emotional, mental and physical dust by repeated deployments.
Getting rid of Arab dictators has unleashed foreign ethnic sectarian socioeconomic political educational
civil wars that cannot be resolved by American military power.
Assad is an Arab civil secular dictator. Just like many of Americas Arab allies and unlike
those American Arab allies who are Islamic royal fossil fuel tyrants. But Assad is an Alawite
Shia Muslim allied with Russia. The alternatives to Assad are al Qaeda, ISIL and al Nusra. Diplomats
need to stick to diplomacy.
Jo Boost, Midlands 16 hours ago
This situation is not that simple.
There is not -as people in Washington who know better have told for years now- one big bad
wolf called Assad preying and devouring all poor little peaceful lambs (who, accidentally, have
been armed to their teeth by a certain Ms. Clinton and her Saudi friends - even with poison gas
which was, then, blamed on the said Assad).
We have here a follow-up civil war to the (also US started) one in Libya.
Let us just look at International Law, as understood since the Nuremberg Trials:
We all know now that the invasion of Iraq by Mr. Bush junior was a) a mistake, and b) a
War Crime - there were no threatening WMDs nor did Saddam hold hads with Al Quaeda (he was, actually,
their worst enemy - and our security!), so, Iraq was c) total stupidity. It was an aggressive
war without any cause - for the USA!
But a great cause for Saudi "Royals" whose cousins had been thrown out of Iraq, which is good
enough cause, in Arab customs, for a bloody feud and revenge.
The same applies to Syria, and could one, therefore, still wonder why ISIL was so well equipped
for the follow-up (envisaged) invasion?
Libya was a danger for Saudi Autocrates, because a secular Arab country with such a living
standard from fair distribution of oil wealth would be a dangerous advertisement for a Mother
of All Arab Springs in the desert.
So, we have one side with interest - and one without any - but the latter does the dirty work.
Is there more than one tail that wags the US dog?
Bonnie Rothman, NYC 13 hours ago
How brilliant---not! And what do these 50 people expect to happen if and when Assad falls,
chaos prevails and ISIS rushes in? Not to mention the immediate nasty confrontation with Putin.
This isn't 1941 and big Armies and big bombs are useless, USELESS against ISIS which operates
like cancer cells in the human body. And the last time we toppled a tyrant we midwived the ISIS
group which is funded by the Saudis which is funded by our own use of oil. Don't you dopes ever
read history and see the "whole" problem? Sheesh.
Prof. Jai Prakash Sharma, is a trusted commenter Jaipur, India. 16 hours ago
Given the complexity of the Syrian crisis and the multipower stakes involved in Syria, it would
be foolish for the US to direct its unilateral military fury at toppling the Assad regime ignoring
its fall out and the military financial cost to the US itself, specially when except for meeting
the common challenge and threat of the ISIS no direct national interests are at stake for the
US in Syria. The state department's dissenting memo to the President seems an attempt by the vested
interests to further complicate President Obama's Middle East policy that's on the right track
following the Iran deal.
Dennis Sullivan, NYC 16 hours ago
This is much more about what Mark Landler thinks than about what those generic diplomats
think. The Times's principal hawk, Landler has book and a series of articles pushing his neocon
view. I guess we should assume the Times agrees.
Rudolf, New York 7 hours ago
Having spent substantial time as a private consultant at the US Embassy in Kabul I was
shocked by the lack of feelings of midlevel officials there with regard to the dead and injuries
of American Troops. The Embassy shared a wall with the ISAF/NATO Main Quarters and every single
day the US Flag there was half-mast to acknowledge the dead of our troops on that day in that
country. The Embassy never shared this sadness and all midlevel officials there were only concerned
about their paycheck, quality of meals served, having a drink, going for a swim, and their frequent
trips back to the US; for such people wanting to have a say in when to fight in Syria is a sad
state of affair.
pat knapp, milwaukee 16 hours ago
Perhaps we should figure out one take-down before we move on to the next. After 13 years,
we still haven't figured out life in Iraq without Saddam. Any thoughts, neocons, on what might
happen after Assad is disposed of? You know, the hard part, what follows?
Mike Edwards, Providence, RI 16 hours ago
In what way do the views of the State Department officials in ISIS differ from those in the
US State Department who signed this memo?
Recent terrorist attacks in France and the US have been inspired by ISIS, not Mr. Assad. ISIS
is our enemy right now. Let Mr. Assad do what he can to eliminate them.
And haven't we learnt that the removal of a head of State, be it in Iraq, Afghanistan or Libya
does not lead to an improvement; it actually causes an outright deterioration.
Finally, please let's also do away with this twaddle about "moderate" forces being present
in the Middle East, ready to enact our fantasy of what a peaceful Middle East should be like.
They don't exist in the Middle East. Ask the Israelis. Those moderates that do exist seem to serve
one purpose, which is to hand over the weapons supplied to them by the West to the terrorists.
I wish the signatories would have had the guts to spell it out. The Middle East is home to
a number of weal nations, a situation the stronger ones don't wish to correct. The only solution
would be for the West to take over the running of those countries and provide for their policing
and defense, as once the West leaves, a vacuum is created allowing terrorist groups to proliferate.
I doubt there is any appetite in the West for such a cause.
Donald, Yonkers 16 hours ago
Interesting how these " moderate" Syrian rebels so often fight alongside al Nusra.
The death toll in Syria is as high as it is because the rebels have outside help, Somehow no
one in the American mainstream, including the NYT, ever points this out. Incidently, note how
the NYT always uses the largest estimates for the death toll-- quite different from what they
did in Iraq.
Nick Metrowsky, is a trusted commenter Longmont, Colorado 17 hours ago
Get Rid of Assad, make relations with Russia worse (they back Assad) and allow ISIS to
effectively take over Syria. Sounds like a great plan. I guess our military-industrial complex
is getting itchy for a new war. And, of course, doing what these diplomats want will also result
in putting boots on the ground. This will be a great legacy for Ms. Clinton (under her watch ISIS
came into being), Mr. Kerry (who continued Clinton's failed legacy) and Mr. Obama (the Nobel Peace
Prize president; who wasn't).
So, guess what? The US starts bombing Syria, Assad will use human shields. ISIS is already
using human shields. So, the US will have more innocent blood on their hands. Of course, the US
follows through with these diplomats idea, ISIS, and their allies, will increase the risk of terrorism
attacks in the US. More mass shootings and bombings.
Of course, in an election year, the political rhetoric will be pushed up a notch between the
two wonderful people now running for president. Both who are more than willing to love the diplomat's
idea to show they are "strong". Mr. Obama may or may not follow through, but he hand may be forced.
Clinton or Trump will go after him, as both would pull the trigger first and ask questions later.
But, rest assured,. if you feel that a terrorist is lurking around each corner now, just wait
until the US decides that getting in the middle of the Syrian civil war is some warped good idea.
Diplomacy can be messy, as can politics.
Dan Stewart, NYC 16 hours ago
The signers of the dissent letter are militarist neocons (of the Victoria Nuland ilk).
More than any other, these people and their CIA collaborators are responsible for the death and
destruction in Syria and the ensuing refugee crisis. They can't even give a cogent reason for
deposing Assad other than point to the carnage of the civil war they fomented-as if Assad were
solely responsible. Assad is acting no differently than the US did during it's own Civil War.
For five years the US has been promoting Muslim extremists in Syria that move with fluidity
between the ranks of ISIL, al Nusra, al Qeada, etc. There are no reliable "moderates" in Syria.
The best hope for a stable Syria lies only with Bashar Assad, the secular Western-trained optometrist
(and his J.P. Morgan investment banker wife, Asma), who has kept Syria stable and free of terrorists
for decades.
To end the killing in Syria, and to defeat ISIL, the US should immediately stop arming and
funding the Islamic jihadists trying to overthrow the Assad government and join with Russia to
support Assad's military in regaining control over all Syrian territory and borders.
CT View, CT 17 hours ago
The value of the memo can be summed up in one sentence as described in the article itself
"what would happen in the event that Mr. Assad was forced from power - a scenario that the draft
memo does not address."
Why on earth would we support deposing a secular dictator who has multi-ethnic multi-religious
support in favor of a non-secular/ie religious leadership that has no moderates...remember we
tried to train vetted moderates, we found about 2 dozen and gave up on the program after half
were killed and the rest defected to the radicals WITH THE WEAPONS WE SUPPLIED. Perhaps, since
the military is anti-intervention and these diplomats are pro-intervention, the diplomats can
take the front line...would that change their opinion?
Gimme Shelter, 123 Happy Street 17 hours ago
I wonder about the arrogance of these mid-level State Department foreign service officers.
Do they think the National Security Council hasn't considered all options with respect to the
use of air power to affect the political situation in Syria? Do they think the President is unaware
of the what is required to stem the humanitarian crisis? How certain are they that their recommendations
will lead to their desired outcome? Do they not realize their actions undermine the commander
in chief in effectively addressing these issues?
Sure -- a few well-placed cruise missiles will make it all good. Yeah, right.
Wayne, Lake Conroe, Tx 7 hours ago
Absolutely amazing. My first question is who released this memo? Having a back channel
does not permit anyone to unilaterally decide to release information that could cost lives and
ruin negotiations that the releasing person knows nothing about. If you do not like the chain
of command, then leave. We cannot continue to be involved in sectarian conflicts that cannot be
resolved except by the combatants. Haven't we learned anything from Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon,
and Vietnam? No neocon insanity. We have lost enough lives and treasure in the ME.
Chagrined, La Jolla, CA 10 hours ago
Are these the same ingrates who urged Bush to attack Iraq - his legacy - ISIS!
Real Americans don't want any more squandered blood and treasure in wars in the Middle East!
It is sad that our tax dollars pay the salaries for these insidious State Department war mongering
fools. How many neocons are among them?
The war in Syria is tragic as was the war in Iraq. Even more tragic would be more squandered
American blood and treasure.
Fifteen hundred American Jews joined the IDF terrorists to commit the "Gaza Genocide." Perhaps
they will volunteer to go to Syria.??
President Obama has the intellect, sophistication and morals not to repeat the mistakes of
the Bush administration. These State Department rank and file are obviously attempting to undermine
him just as many members of congress attempted to undermine him by supporting Netanyahu and Israel
during the Iran Diplomacy debate. Betraying America has become sport for so many insidious ingrates.
America deserves better!
xtian, Tallahassee 11 hours ago
As a 26 year Marine Corps combat veteran I have a hard time trying to figure out what is
going on here, and a harder time not becoming totally disgusted with our State Department.
So these 51 mid-level diplomates want to bomb a bit more, and that is going to do what?????
And how will that bring peace to that region of the world? Oh, and by the way, the Department
of Defense is not in agreement with that course of action. How wonderful.
My suggestion would be that we arm these 51 individuals, given them a week's worth of ammunition
and rations, and drop them into Syria, I am sure they can lead the way in showing us how to solve
the mess in the ME.
David Henry, Concord 17 hours ago
War is easy to do. Ask "W."
Lives matter! These "diplomats" should be fired.
Yinka Martins, New York, NY 17 hours ago
It's the fact that these are not "widely known names" which scares me most. However, Western-instituted
regime change in that region has proven disastrous in every single country it has been tried.
If possible, I would investigate these diplomats' ties to defense contractors.
PKJharkhand, Australia 7 hours ago
US intervention created the rubble and hell that is now Syria. When Assad had full control
of Syria, the human rights of the people of Syria suffered under him but many if not most people
led a civilised life. They had water and electricity. Past US interventions created Afghanistan,
Iraq, and Libya. To puy it simply, life expectancy in all these countries dropped by 20 to 30
years after the US intervened, each time with the highest utopian ideals, and increased the power
of Sunni supremacists after each act.
Jai Goodman, SF Bay Area 7 hours ago
These "diplomats" should instead be urging US to pressure Turkey and Saudi to stop supporting
terrorists in the region. Both Al Nusra and ISIS. That'll be the right step.
Thank you.
cml, pittsburgh, pa 10 hours ago
How many of these are the same (or same sort) of "wise" men that advised ignoring our weapon's
inspectors and invading Iraq? They're living inside an echo chamber. In a world of imperfect choices
I would prefer Assad to the Nusra Front or ISIL, as apparently our president does as well.
Lawrence, Washington D.C. 15 hours ago
How many of those 51 diplomats haves served in front line units and seen combat? How many have
their children in uniform? They wouldn't allow it.
Each bombing mission costs more than a million dollars, and we live in a nation of Chiraq and
Orlando.
We have more pressing needs at home, and you can't fix stupid mixed with superstition, topped
with hatred.
These diplomats want to continue to strap suicide vests on the rest of us, while they sip champagne.
Out now, no more of our children wasted for corporate profits.
John, San Francisco 15 hours ago
50 employees? There are approximately 24,000 employees in the state department. That's 0.002833%.
Not really a significant voice. Don't listen.
Vanessa Hall, is a trusted commenter Millersburg MO 13 hours ago
Reminds me of those 47 idiots in the House who signed on to the warmonger Tom Cotton's treasonous
letter.
John Townsend, Mexico 15 hours ago
Let's not forget that Bush's hasty appointment of Paul Bremer as the hapless Governor of
Iraq following the defeat of Hussein's military regime led immediately to the disbanding of the
entire Iraqi military, an incredibly short-sighted and reckless move that essentially unleashed
400,000 young trained fighters (including a honed officers corps) absent support programs to assimilate
back into Iraqi society, only to have them emerge as readily available fodder essential for ISIS's
marshalling a strong military force almost overnight. A huge price is now being exacted for this
astounding stupidity.
Hobart, Los Angeles, CA 7 hours ago
This is conveniently laying grounds for Hillary's grand comeback to the theatre of "humanitarian
interventionism" in the Middle East. God help us all, as this is a prelude to the WW3.
rice pritchard, nashville, tennessee 12 hours ago
Wow the neo-cons are beating the war drums yet again! They have already created a huge
mess throughout the Middle East with wars and revolutions directly attributable to the United
States in invading Afghanistan and Iraq under false pretenses, helping overthrow the government
in Libya, and arming rebels in Syria and Yemen. Apparently no regime that does not knuckle
under to the U.S. war machine is "fair game". This turmoil is sending millions of refugees fleeing
their homeland, many trying to swamp Europe, but the arm chair warriors in the diplomatic corps,
Congress, Wall Street, and the military contractors still cry for more intervention, more bombing,
more blockades, more invasions, etc.! Sheer madness! The more America meddle in the Middle East
the worse things become and unrest and fighting spread. Unfortunately if Hillary Clinton wins,
she is a neo-con puppet and we will be at war in Syria and/or Iran within a year or two. God help
us!
xmas, Delaware 13 hours ago
HOW MUCH WILL THIS COST????? When people demand an invasion of a foreign country, can they
please add the total cost of the bill to their request? Instead of saying "we need to invade,"
can they say, "I want your support to spend $1.7 trillion for invading this other country for
humanitarian reasons. Oh, by the way, sorry, about all the cuts to domestic spending. We just
don't have the money." We spent $1.7 TRILLION on Iraq. $1.7 TRILLION. I can think of several things
I would have preferred to spend a fraction of that on. I'm sure you can too.
Robert G. McKee, Lindenhurst, NY 12 hours ago
This is a very interesting development within the walls of the State Department. There seems
to be much enthusiasm for escalating war in the Middle East. My only question is does this enthusiasm
extend to the deaths and maiming of these same State Department officials' children and grandchildren?
Or do they propose that other people's children should die pursuing their high ideals in this
endless and fruitless religious civil war in Syria?
Kathy, Flemington, NJ 13 hours ago
First of all, if this was a channel for employees to share "candidly and privately" about
policy concerns, why is it on the front page of the NY Times? Additionally, as usual, it seems
the war hawks are hawking war without thought for what comes next. We've done this most recently
in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya, all of which are now failed states and havens for terrorists.
Because this seems rather obvious, either we are pathologically incapable of learning from past
mistakes, or there are people who have an agenda different from the publicly stated one.
Rebecca Rabinowitz, . 13 hours ago
The U.S. has a lengthy, very sordid history of leaping into the fray in areas such as the
Middle East, Southeast Asia, Central America and Afghanistan, among others - all with catastrophic
results, for which we never seemed to have a credible, well- crafted plan, nor have we ever comprehended
the millennia of internecine tribal hatred and sectarian warfare. We have "been there, done
that" countless times, at the cost of our precious military blood and treasure, and incurring
the enmity of hundreds of millions of people. I empathize with the frustration of these State
Department employees - but apparently, they do not recall our overthrow of the Shah of Iran when
it suited our "cause du jour," or our fraudulent "domino theory" in Vietnam, or the hard reality
that no one has ever successfully invaded or "governed" Afghanistan, not to mention being able
to battle ideology with weapons. The President has already presided over significant mission creep
in the Iraq cesspool left by the Cheney-Bush neo-con crowd. His judicious caution is to be lauded
when it comes to Syria. Are these mid-level State Department employees advocating a war against
Vladimir Putin?
Yngve Frey, Sweden 12 hours ago
I am more scared of US diplomats and politicians than terrorists! Have they learned nothing
from the US efforts to create western style democracy in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria (by
supporting separatists att an early stage). The US diplomats proposal would ensure more chaos,
death and prolonged wR. 38 % of the population are Alewits. They will be killed, Christians will
be killed.
The only way will probably be to work with Russia and force other opposition groups to sign
a peace agreement. Then we should arrange an intensive training course for US diplomats as well
as Syrian leaders: "There is no final truth: we have to learn the art of tolerance and accept
to live in a society where people you don't agree with also can live."
"... By Vijay Prashad, professor of international studies at Trinity College in Hartford, Connecticut. He is the author of 18 books, including Arab Spring, Libyan Winter (AK Press, 2012), The Poorer Nations: A Possible History of the Global South (Verso, 2013) and the forthcoming The Death of a Nation and the Future of the Arab Revolution (University of California Press, 2016). Originally published at Alternet ..."
"... Seymour Hersh has reported that Obama was forced to call off the attack on Syria on 30 August 2013 because General Dempsey informed him that the British defence lab at Porton Down had analysed environmental samples from the Ghouta chemical attack and had established that the sarin was "kitchen sarin" that could not have come from Syrian military stocks. Hersh reports that Dempsey effectively threatened Obama by warning him that he would testify to Congress (and would prime them to ask the question) on what he had told Obama. Hersh names Sir Peter Wall, then the head of the British army, as the officer who had briefed Dempsey on Porton Down's findings. ..."
"... I vividly recall how irate Obama was during that Rose Garden press conference when he backed down from bombing Syria. He was not pleased. Attempting to rewrite the historical record doesn't wash for anyone with a memory of the Kerry statement about chemical weapons and the alacrity with which Lavrov responded. Obama was boxed in, and he didn't like it one bit. ..."
"... If she had any involvement in this it certainly shows her contempt for Obama just a few days after he endorsed her and while the FBI investigation still plods on. Beyond that, I think the cable directly reflects the power of the Israeli lobby and the perceived benefits of a destroyed Syria. ..."
"... We make out that the national security apparatus taken as a system - and singling out the rare exceptions, who help the country by whistleblowing, leaking, and throwing bureaucratic obstacles in the way of the bad craziness - is corrupt to the bone. Also too insane. And that both characteristics are rewarded, and that individuals who display them tend to rise to the top. ..."
"... That the State Dept should be populated by neocons seems a logical consequence of the political leadership assigned to it. ..."
"... The story of the arrest in May 2013 of the Nusra Front sarin procurement team in Turkey, and the prosecutors' report completed in July 2013, was no longer a "bombshell" when reported by Hersh and raised by Turkish opposition MPs. A careful reading of Hersh's articles shows that this report was available to US Defence Intelligence agencies by summer 2013. Two other lines of evidence were available to US and UK intelligence agencies by summer 2013 that pointed to sarin production by the opposition. ..."
"... but given the idiocy shown by repeated US governments, it still shows a scintilla of sentience on Obama's part ..."
"... But in the world of those who wish to keep their jobs as good lap dogs to the Beltway conventional wisdom and not so accurate facts, ..."
"... Victoria Nuland and Robert Kagan have a great mom-and-pop business going. From the State Department, she generates wars and from op-ed pages he demands Congress buy more weapons. There's a pay-off, too, as grateful military contractors kick in money to think tanks where other Kagans work, writes Robert Parry. ..."
"... If you'll allow a bit of speculation, I would argue that this push for war was created because it creates opportunities to loot the US treasury. It is of course backed by the ideology of US supremacy and invincibility which allows these people push for war against Russia. ..."
"... Its is pretty horrifying that professional diplomats could sign something so simpleminded, even within the context of neocon policy. ..."
"... Victoria Nuland could not have instigated the neo-nazi coup in Ukraine without her superiors' knowledge and approval. I still wonder who told L. Paul Bremer that disbanding the Iraqi Army before disarming its soldiers was a good idea. When asked about it Bush acted as if he never actually heard about it. ..."
"... Interesting War Nerd podcast#36 featuring American Conservative writer Kelley Vlahos. The basic claim is that the US security state which includes the State Dept., the MIC and the various think tanks and Universities surrounding Washington DC has produced dynastic clans which suck money from the defense budgets to fund lavish lifestyles. These 51 players are merely cheer leading for more war because there is simply not enough money in peace to keep the generational Ponzi going in luxury. ..."
"... Seems Cheny and Rumsfeld were successful stocking the State Dept shelves with career neocon bureaucrats. ..."
"... I've finally put my finger on why I will not vote for HRC. HRC is the embodiment of the notion that "ends justify the means". You cannot believe this and believe in the law … ethics … morality … at the same time. ..."
"... There have been rumblings over the years that many of the coalitions in the current Syria conflict are the result of countries competing for a Natural Gas pipeline between the Middle East and Europe: ..."
"... the old-guard professionals left, a new breed of aggressive neoconservatives was brought in, the likes of Paul Wolfowitz, Robert McFarlane, Robert Kagan and Abrams. After eight years of Reagan and four years of George H.W. Bush, the State Department was reshaped into a home for neocons[…] ..."
"... As the 1990s wore on, the decimation of foreign policy experts in the mold of White and Derian left few on the Democratic side who had the courage or skills to challenge the deeply entrenched neocons. Many Clinton-era Democrats accommodated to the neocon dominance by reinventing themselves as "liberal interventionists," sharing the neocons' love for military force but justifying the killing on "humanitarian" grounds.[…] ..."
By Vijay Prashad, professor of international studies at Trinity College in Hartford,
Connecticut. He is the author of 18 books, including Arab Spring, Libyan Winter (AK Press, 2012),
The Poorer Nations: A Possible History of the Global South (Verso, 2013) and the forthcoming The
Death of a Nation and the Future of the Arab Revolution (University of California Press, 2016). Originally
published at
Alternet
Close to half a million people are dead in Syria, as the country falls further and further into
oblivion. Data on the suffering of the Syrians is bewildering, but most startling is that the Syrian
life expectancy has declined by over 15 years since the civil war started. On the one side, ISIS
holds territory, while on the other a fratricidal war pits the Assad government against a motley
crew of rebels that run from small pockets of socialists to large swathes of Al Qaeda-backed extremists.
No easy exit to this situation seems possible. Trust is in short supply. The peace process is weak.
Brutality is the mood.
What should America do? In the eyes of 51 U.S. diplomats who still haven't grasped the negative
outcomes of the disastrous wars launched since 2002, the solution is to bomb the world into America's
image. In an
internal dissent cable addressed to Barack Obama, seasoned diplomats have urged airstrikes on
the government of Bashar al-Assad in Syria.
... ... ..
Why did the diplomats write their dissent now, and why was it leaked to the press? A former ambassador,
with deep experience in the Middle East, told me it was an error to leak the cable.
"Someone decided to leak it," he said, "for whatever irrational reason, an action as blatantly
incorrect as it is most certainly politically and diplomatically counterproductive."
"Obama did not strike Syria in 2013 because he recognized, correctly, that the Russians, Chinese
and most of the major countries of the Global South (including India) deeply opposed regime change"
This version of events gives undeserved credit to Obama. Seymour Hersh has reported that Obama
was forced to call off the attack on Syria on 30 August 2013 because General Dempsey informed
him that the British defence lab at Porton Down had analysed environmental samples from the Ghouta
chemical attack and had established that the sarin was "kitchen sarin" that could not have come
from Syrian military stocks. Hersh reports that Dempsey effectively threatened Obama by warning
him that he would testify to Congress (and would prime them to ask the question) on what he had
told Obama. Hersh names Sir Peter Wall, then the head of the British army, as the officer who
had briefed Dempsey on Porton Down's findings.
On 29 August 2013 the UK Joint Intelligence Committee had reported to the Prime Minister, in
a summary that was made available before the House of Commons debate on war with Syria, that there
was "no evidence for an opposition CW capability" and "no plausible alternative to a regime attack
scenario". It is clear from Hersh's report (and other sources that corroborate it) that this was
misleading, and that officials in UK Defence Intelligence were aware, as were the Russians, that
the Ghouta attack was a false flag using sarin produced by the opposition. To mislead the House
of Commons is "contempt of Parliament" a crime against the British constitution that the House
has powers to investigate and punish. Unfortunately no MP and no journalist has been prepared
to ask the relevant questions.
Excellent comment. Nevertheless, Obama deserves some credit, as the sad tale of General Shinseki
and the invasion of Iraq shows. Obama had to listen to reason, and actually did. This is an incredibly
low bar for praise, but given the idiocy shown by repeated US governments, it still shows a scintilla
of sentience on Obama's part.
Would such a warning stop Clinton? Would it stop Trump if his ego was tied up in such a venture?
I doubt it.
I vividly recall how irate Obama was during that Rose Garden press conference when he backed
down from bombing Syria. He was not pleased. Attempting to rewrite the historical record doesn't
wash for anyone with a memory of the Kerry statement about chemical weapons and the alacrity with
which Lavrov responded. Obama was boxed in, and he didn't like it one bit.
If she had any involvement in this it certainly shows her contempt for Obama just a few days
after he endorsed her and while the FBI investigation still plods on. Beyond that, I think the cable directly reflects the power of the Israeli lobby and the perceived
benefits of a destroyed Syria.
> What do we as American citizens make out of 51 diplomats proposing war?
We make out that the national security apparatus taken as a system - and singling out the
rare exceptions, who help the country by whistleblowing, leaking, and throwing bureaucratic obstacles
in the way of the bad craziness - is corrupt to the bone. Also too insane. And that both characteristics
are rewarded, and that individuals who display them tend to rise to the top.
Kudos to President Obama, which I very rarely say, for not being deked by these guys.
Wasn't Baal an Assyrian deity? One which drew a bad rap for being opposed to our own preferred God of the Israelites. In which case, not likely one to promote bombing Syria.
The story of the arrest in May 2013 of the Nusra Front sarin procurement team in Turkey,
and the prosecutors' report completed in July 2013, was no longer a "bombshell" when reported
by Hersh and raised by Turkish opposition MPs. A careful reading of Hersh's articles shows that
this report was available to US Defence Intelligence agencies by summer 2013. Two other lines
of evidence were available to US and UK intelligence agencies by summer 2013 that pointed to sarin
production by the opposition.
1. a report to the UNSG from Mokhtar Lamani, the UN Special Representative in Damascus, that
the Nusra Front was bringing nerve agent through the border from Turkey.
2. analyses by Porton Down and its Russian counterpart of environmental samples from two incidents
in March 2013, showing that the agent was "kitchen sarin".
This has been discussed in some detail on Pat Lang's blog. By summer 2013 it was clear to US
and UK defence intelligence staff that a false flag operation using sarin was being planned, and
that their civilian counterparts were at least tacitly colluding with this. The analysis of samples
from Ghouta and the use of the results to threaten Obama appears to have been a last-minute effort
to block the use of this to start a war
but given the idiocy shown by repeated US governments, it still shows a scintilla of sentience
on Obama's part
+1
"We had to destroy the village in order to save it". I marvel that there is anything still
standing in Syraqistan; from the pictures I see, it looks like a gravel quarry. And now blowback
has metastasized into domestic mass-shootings, sufficient to stain the Mississippi red; we wring
our national hands in a Hamlet-like production of anguish and earnestness, and then change precisely
NOTHING about how we conduct our affairs. We are insane.
Nor did hillary fight the nazi's, she has, however, viewed the atrocities for which she is
largely responsible on tv and seemed quite pleased (wondering where the trump thing came from,
I thought the discussion was about A.S.?). Nice of me to mention each of them once, gives a sense
of balance or something. And your final sentence, you could put either name and corresponding
gender identity there, both statements would be true. Googed robert kagan/Alexander Solzhenitsyn,
and found this article that was interesting it's from 2014 so it's funny how events then rhyme
with events currently. Never heard of the publication before but found it interesting, bonus points
for featuring debate footage between richard dawkins and john lennox
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/07/08/the-people-vs-former-trotskysts-neo-bolsheviks-and-intellectual-whores
I'd be interested in your views on this
Friday's PBS NewHour demonstrated in a segment with Judy Woodruff and Margaret Warner that
the program is remarkably good at "catapulting the propaganda", in this case that Assad's government
used chemical weapons to kill a thousand of his own people. Factually, most of the dead were supporters
of the government, which, if Assad ordered such an attack, would have made it even more evil.
And only by knowing the actual facts about the chemicals involved does it belie the initial US
assertions that Assar was responsible.
In due time, it was made known to those who read and retain information that, indeed, it was
not an attack by the Syrian government, that the chemical signatures indicated "kitchen sarin,"
as pmr9's quote about Gen. Dempsey and results from the British defense lab at Porton Down showed.
But in the world of those who wish to keep their jobs as good lap dogs to the Beltway conventional
wisdom and not so accurate facts, Margaret Warner made a special point of saying that Obama had
backed down on enforcing his promise to go after Assad if Syria used chemical weapons.
After a video quote from Obama, Warner immediately repeated the now discounted charge.
PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA: A red line for us is, we start seeing a whole bunch of chemical
weapons moving around or being utilized. That would change my calculus.
MARGARET WARNER: But after a regime chemical attack killed more than 1,000 Syrians in August
2013, the president didn't launch military strikes, nor step up arming the Syrian rebels. ….
She's not the only public broadcast reporter to say exactly the same thing. It's now become
one of those zombie lies: Nothing can keep them down.
The segment isn't very long, and the sad and worried expression on Warner's face at the end,
where she talks about how sincere the signers of the letter are, is well worth looking at. And
wondering about how they do it - how do they keep repeating lies?
Probably because no one calls them on it, no one who matters. And everyone they talk to repeats
the same untruths.
Victoria Nuland and Robert Kagan have a great mom-and-pop business going. From the State
Department, she generates wars and from op-ed pages he demands Congress buy more weapons. There's
a pay-off, too, as grateful military contractors kick in money to think tanks where other Kagans
work, writes Robert Parry.
A Family Business of Perpetual War
If you'll allow a bit of speculation, I would argue that this push for war was created because
it creates opportunities to loot the US treasury. It is of course backed by the ideology of US supremacy and invincibility which allows these
people push for war against Russia.
Its an interesting article, but (not I assume the authors fault) doesn't actually answer the
question. I'd always assumed that the diplomatic corps was significantly more pragmatic and anti-military
intervention than other arms of the US foreign policy establishment, but this would seem evidence
otherwise. Its is pretty horrifying that professional diplomats could sign something so simpleminded,
even within the context of neocon policy. It doesn't say much for the quality of people involved.
Perhaps its not just the military that has been degraded by a decade and a half of the war on
terror, it may well be degrading the quality of people attracted to, and recruited by, all elements
of the government establishment.
The other explanation – and its not all that encouraging – is that this is simply an attempt
by a certain level of diplomats to say 'hey, its not our fault'. But I would have thought they
would have picked a different target for their complaints than Obama if that was the case. It
does seem more likely that this is a deliberate attempt by the Samantha Power/Hilary wing of the
establishment to stake a claim to the high ground.
A lot of what I've seen over the last few years only makes sense if I believe the State Department
is the last bastion of PNAC (Project for a New American Century). There is no acknowledged strategy
in Syria, no end game, no way to tell when/if we've won, except regime change. The CIA and the
Pentagon seem to be backing different factions who are hostile to each other and both seem to
be providing weapons to ISIS (perhaps, but not certainly, unintentionally). Victoria Nuland could
not have instigated the neo-nazi coup in Ukraine without her superiors' knowledge and approval.
I still wonder who told L. Paul Bremer that disbanding the Iraqi Army before disarming its soldiers
was a good idea. When asked about it Bush acted as if he never actually heard about it.
"A former ambassador told me that many of the diplomats have great fealty to Hillary Clinton.
Could they have leaked this cable to boost Clinton's narrative that she wanted a more robust attack
on Damascus as early as 2012? Is this a campaign advertisement for Clinton, and a preparation
for her likely Middle East policy when she takes power in 2017?"
um, there is your answer right there, plutonium, all the rest is inside-inside baseball bullshit…
besides essentially using their gummint positions in an unusual calculated political manner,
i am sure all these knob-polishers are simply jockeying for positions in Empress Cliton the First's
reign of Empire…
pass the soma, please…
Yes: And the use of the world fealty astounds me. Fealty, as in feudal relations? As in clientelism?
These people shouldn't be allowed near foreign policy at all. Fealty indeed.
But they dedicate themselves and bend all their efforts toward getting themselves into these
positions where they get to use the wealth and credulity of ordinary people to "advance," and
I use that word quite advisedly given where it's taking all of us, their interests and friends
and agendas…
Not man of the rest of us, who might be interested in survival and sustainability and comity
and all that, have the skills, schooling, connections and inclination to take part in the fokking
Great Game, in all its parts and parameters…
It is a pathetic sign of our times that the narrative of the "
Fabulous 51 " has any traction at all, when such perspective is so demonstrably flawed. Pat
Lang (and too few others) has been chronicling this neocon "Borg" delusion for quite some time
– not unlike efforts here with respect to orthodox neo-econs, libertards, etc. It was pretty easy
to assume, as the Kennedy administration must have, the outcome of belligerent threats against
the evil Ruskies when they were way beyond their capacities in Cuba. But to threaten a modern,
very militarily capable state with Neocon Wargasm Regime Change – – is truly insane. They really
do have WMDs – like the ones only we have ever used.
Hey, cmon, we've get the f-35, think of the boost to gdp when the russkis shoot down one or
ten of those overweight video game platforms! We need some more heros like pat tillman (not dissing
tillman, but the people who tried to use his good name for their own bitter ends), you know, to
garner support for our noble casus belli.
Interesting War Nerd podcast#36 featuring American Conservative writer Kelley Vlahos. The basic
claim is that the US security state which includes the State Dept., the MIC and the various think
tanks and Universities surrounding Washington DC has produced dynastic clans which suck money
from the defense budgets to fund lavish lifestyles. These 51 players are merely cheer leading
for more war because there is simply not enough money in peace to keep the generational Ponzi
going in luxury.
An enlisted guy in my unit in Vietnam got drunk, convinced himself he could fly an Army Sioux
helicopter. Started it, got it up out of the revetment, then when setting back down caught the
left skid on the 4 foot high revetment wall and crashed it. He was court-martialed, jailed at
Long Binh, busted to permanent E-1, denied even a discharge, and may still be paying off the $125,000
the Army said that broke-down chopper was worth on that E-1 pay. How many tiers of "justice" in
"the system?"
Regardless of the motivations first of the message itself and secondly of its purpose, my first
thought was that the Clinton camp directly or indirectly was behind it. But it is such a ham fisted
ploy; you would have to be a political idiot, wouldn't you? Then I recalled the other boneheaded
moves and dismissed it.
I've finally put my finger on why I will not vote for HRC. HRC is the embodiment of the notion that "ends justify the means". You cannot believe this and believe in the law … ethics … morality … at the same time.
HRC is no Gandhi.
False flags
Circumventing laws
Slippery slope? HRC has her skis on and her goggles down.
See also
Pat Lang's post on this yesterday. As is the case with Naked Capitalism, the comment threads
there are worth thorough reads as well as the posts. The consensus there seems to be that it demonstrates
the success of the neo-con infiltration of the State Department, the signers' utter lack of experience
in understanding of the military and warfare, and finally the results of the demise of DoS's area
expertise in the Middle East.
"Are you, or have you ever been, a member of the People for a New American Century or any other
neoconservative group? I remind you that you are under oath to testify truthfully to Congress…"
A former ambassador told me that many of the diplomats have great fealty to Hillary Clinton.
Hugo Chavez joked that you would never have a coup in Washington because it has no US embassy.
But it does have the State Department itself and it now appears they are using their partners
in the press to help shape the coming regime change in our own country. How long before Vicky
appears out on the Mall, giving out cookies?
Maybe the notion is that bombing the Assad military would provoke a military confrontation
with Russia in Syria but more importantly in Eastern Europe. This will bolster the case for NATO
which will face increased scrutiny in the upcoming POTUS campaign.
Circulating the cable to get signatures is probably Clinton's attempt to push the Overton Window
on Obama's dime, but leaking the cable was probably a jerk on Obama's chain for
"leaking" their concerns to Carl Bernstein, which was covered on NC earlier this month.
Seems to me like C.I.C. Clinton just can't wait another 6 months to start blowing the world
up. I, too, believe Hillary is behind this gang of 51's insubordinate pronouncement. It's got
her signature, intemperance and incompetence, written all over it. And, where's the current S.O.S.
Cat, Kerry, while the Foggy Bottom mice are stirring this very dangerous Vladimir cauldron? So,
maybe Obama kinda wishes he waited a little longer with his demented endorsement, "I don't think
there's ever been someone so qualified to hold this office.".
yesterday morning, the NYT headlined its site w/this story. then anti-war/anti-neocon comments
and upvotes flooded.
by lunch this story was buried well below the fold.
Automated analytics downgrading an unread story? Or an editorial decision by someone "surprised"
that even the NYT bobbleheads don't buy the Neo-Con lies?
Since they disagree with this president's policies, the honorable course of action by these
51 State Department employees would be to resign. Absent that, I believe the president can require
their resignations.
Bingo. It strikes me as analogous to holding a seance at church for seasoned diplomats to lobby
for war. The stumbling block is that the document itself followed existing protocol for dissent.
Its release to the public is the fire-able offense. I wonder if Obama is investigating.
So Al Qaeda takes over Syria; so what? Al Qaeda would not kill half a million Syrians! !!!
Once Al Qaeda takes over a country it is on its way to becoming a large bureaucratic entity -
more inherently conservative. What are they going to do, declare war on the US; throw their government
behind crashing airliners? The specter of a million US boots on the ground would squash that.
We do have a reputation for that sort of thing going back to Korea.
My view of the world is the Rick Steves, Anthony Bourdain view - not their ideology (if any)
but the Marshall McLuhan/medium-is-the-message view. It's just land and people - people like us.
If Obama cared about the Iraqi people he would have/could have gotten our reverse Saddam, Maliki,
under control and coerced him in the direction of greater inclusion of the Sunni into a new coalition
- instead of terrorizing them and forcing them into the open arms of ISIS. Ditto for arming and
training the vast majority of innocents. We could have identified most people (the vast majority)
that's not hard, and worked with them.
We could have tried to do both. But, as usual, Obama doesn't care.
One real problem is they set up terrorist training camps, similar to the Taliban in Afgan.
These are then organized terrorists they send out elsewhere in the world, even the USofA, if they
can sneak past the TSA in airports.
However, Saddam never did that and neither did Assad. So our State Dept's strategy seems to
be give terrorists a training ground so they can export a trained and organized terrorist network
around the world. And this is after we've had at least 15 years to observe how it works. Note
that the reason we felt we had to go into into Afgan originally was that the Taliban was running
terrorist training camps.
Not to mention arming these "moderate Arabs" to overthrow Assad.
There have been rumblings over the years that many of the coalitions in the current Syria conflict
are the result of countries competing for a Natural Gas pipeline between the Middle East and Europe:
Robert Parry – with sources inside the State Dept. – offers up some insight on this story
But the descent of the U.S. State Department into little more than well-dressed, well-spoken
but thuggish enforcers of U.S. hegemony began with the Reagan administration. President Ronald
Reagan and his team possessed a pathological hatred of Central American social movements seeking
freedom from oppressive oligarchies and their brutal security forces.[…]
As the old-guard professionals left, a new breed of aggressive neoconservatives was
brought in, the likes of Paul Wolfowitz, Robert McFarlane, Robert Kagan and Abrams. After eight years
of Reagan and four years of George H.W. Bush, the State Department was reshaped into a home
for neocons[…]
As the 1990s wore on, the decimation of foreign policy experts in the mold of White and
Derian left few on the Democratic side who had the courage or skills to challenge the deeply
entrenched neocons. Many Clinton-era Democrats accommodated to the neocon dominance by reinventing
themselves as "liberal interventionists," sharing the neocons' love for military force but
justifying the killing on "humanitarian" grounds.[…]
when Obama entered the White House, he faced a difficult challenge. The State Department
needed a thorough purging of the neocons and the liberal hawks, but there were few Democratic
foreign policy experts who hadn't sold out to the neocons. An entire generation of Democratic
policy-makers had been raised in the world of neocon-dominated conferences, meetings, op-eds
and think tanks, where tough talk made you sound good while talk of traditional diplomacy made
you sound soft.
Personally I'd say "blame it on Reagan" is a good all purpose explanation for current ills.
This response also takes in the Dems since they so often knuckled under to the Gipper.
The MIC must be pushing for more gravy to buoy the fake economy. This Empire based on greed,
exploitation and chaos will take the whole of life down with itself.
All this foreign policy discussion is a bit over my head, but couldn't the leaked "dissent"
have come from the White House ?
Isn't it most likely that Obama's concern for his "legacy" is going to make him want to out
HRC and her grossly incompetent sycophants and cronies at State as the Bomb-Baby-Bomb
crowd who goaded him to the brink of war with Russia over Syria based on faulty false-flag intelligence?
Looks like State Department became a paradise for neocons. Protest of diplomats is typical trick
used by State Departement during color revolution. That actually means this "color revolution" trick
came to the USA. Our presidents come and go, Republican or Democrat, but our Strangeloves remain permanent
employees of State Department. .
Notable quotes:
"... The State Department and the CIA's 'Plan C' (or are they on 'Plan D' yet?) is an independent Syrian Kurdistan. ..."
"... A desperate attempt to save the rebels, who now hate them and completely understand how they have been thrown under the bus by the State Department neocons. I really don't think the rebels will be the least bit impressed by the phony theatrics of a internal memo by mid-level bureaucrats. ..."
"... The Pentagram is in a bit of a different pickle. They have to do something to stop the Wahhabi head-choppers, but its a bit like herding cats. The best they've come up with is ginning up the SDF to take/hold ISIS territory. But they can't arm the Kurds or Arab members with any REAL weapons because that would anger Turkey. So they give them a bunch of eastern European AKs and a few pickup trucks with anti-aircraft guns, promise air support and toss in a few SF guys ..."
"... The MSM (as CIA lapdogs are paid to do) constantly try to reinforce the message that the independent YPG/YPJ militias are somehow 'the PYD's army'. Nothing is further from the truth - it's all MSM spin to create the impression that the Syrian Kurds uniformly desire the usurped PYD vision of an independent Kurdistan. In reality, the U.S. State Department neocons and the CIA are the ones that want an independent Syrian Kurdistan for their own scheming (and to deny Assad the land/water/oil). The MSM is constantly on message with this to set the narrative to the American public for Syrian partition - most people have no clue. ..."
"... For what it's worth, Assad is keenly aware of his history with the Kurds. Even by Kurdish media reports , he is willing to work with the Syrian Kurds as part of a unified Syrian state. He does not object to Kurdish rights or autonomy, just the U.S. meddling to goad the PYD into creating a separate Kurdish state. ..."
"... The whole Syria nightmare was planned from the US Embassy in Damascus in 2006 because Assad was so broadly popular in the country and "the region." Can't have that so a strategy was drummed up: http://www.globalresearch.ca/syria-and-conspiracy-theories-it-is-a-conspiracy/29596 ..."
"... I'm sure the US will throw the Syrian Kurds "under the bus" when their usefulness is finished. I'm sure also that a lot of Syrian Kurds know this, and are hedging their bets. ..."
"... http://www.globalresearch.ca/france-building-military-bases-in-syria-report/5531259 "The use of proxy forces to destroy the secular government of Syria is now starting to give way to stealth methods of direct ground deployment of Western Special Forces and ground troops under the guise of assistance and coordination with "moderate" terrorists. "With a wide variety of Western-backed terrorist groups ranging from "extremist" terrorists like ISIS, al-Qaeda, and al-Nusra to the "moderate" terrorists of the FSA and the loose collection of terrorists, Kurds, and Arabs like the SDF, the West has a kaleidoscope of proxy forces on the ground already. ..."
"... So Russian peace talks with US evil empire in Syria were a disaster, which makes Putin look like an idiot, as well as the supporters of this idiocy. As well as Russian invitations for the US to join it in Syria makes it one of the most stupidest invitations ever. ..."
"... A preview on America's future strategies? http://www.cnas.org/sites/default/files/publications-pdf/CNASReport-EAP-FINAL.pdf ..."
"... The Iranians have been warring with Kurds by the border with Turkey. Neither the Turks nor the Iranians - nor the Syrians, but they do need the Kurds now - want a Kurdistan. The Kurds must know by now - must have been betrayed enough by now - to know that the US will tell them anything, promise them anything, and deliver nothing but betrayal in the end. ..."
"... As regards the State Department, the Pentagon, the US government ... what's required is a neo-con purge, top to bottom. They are all working against American interests and against the American people. and have been for the past two decades. The likelihood of such a purge is about zero. Neither Trump nor Hillary has the will or the backbone to stand up to anyone. Trump's all mouth and looking out for number one, and Hillary's plugged in to the money-mosaic as well. Obama's getting ready to cash in his chips. ..."
"... I am amazed at your unflagging obsession with holding Putin responsible for the US/UK/EU/NATO/GCC destruction of Syria. You've set him up as your omnipotent god and he's failed you, somehow. Putin, Rusia, is not responsible for the death, devastation, and destruction of Iraq, Syria, Libya or the rest of the middle east or north africa. You're throwing your stones at the wrong guy, at the only guy who's done anything at all to help the Syrians and to forestall the monstrous neo-con plan. ..."
"... Israeli bombed military base in Homs province with impunity from S400 http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.723701 ..."
"... There is more about Russian de-facto acquiescence for Syrian partition and pivot to Israel: STRANGE DAYS: Did Israelis Pivoted to Russia? Or the other way around. https://syrianwarupdate.wordpress.com/ ..."
"... On the bright side, maybe the 50 signatures are just trying to get noticed by the Clinton transition crew. ..."
"... The document you posted is a typical wet dream written by utterly incompetent neocons (Kagan's and Zoellik names are a tell), people who can not and must not be allowed to operate with serious strategic and operational categories in any "advisory" role. ..."
"... i read about 30 of 160 or so comments on this article at NYT. given who the audience of that shit rag is & that comments are vetted, overwhelmingly commenters stated increased military involvement is retarded. ..."
"... How can Russia, which dwarfs Israel in every meaningful category -- from economy to military -- and who does remember her history well can "pivot" to largely regional player -- I don't know. Russian "neocons" are a dramatically different breed than US ones, for starters they are much more educated and, actually, support Assad. Israel's pivot to Russia in some sense is inevitable, albeit it could be fairly protracted, with Russia being observed as honest broker. They are not completely stupid in Israel and are very aware of real situation in American politics, economy and military. ..."
"... I note that the 'moderate' Hillary Clinton is a blood-soaked queen of chaos, who if elected is certain to embroil us in pointless wars and spread death and devastation across even more of the world. ..."
"... Donald Trump is admittedly a gamble, but depute his over-the-top stage persona, his track record is of actually getting along with people and brokering stable working relationships. ..."
"... At this point I wish I could vote for Richard Nixon (!), but we have the choice that we have... ..."
"... This piece out of the NYT is pure propaganda. Period. Here's the big clue - where's the memo? It's not embedded in the article. It can't be found anywhere on the web. It's b/c it doesn't exist. The reader is 'TOLD' by a third party journalist few follow who writes for a MIC/Political/Policy corporate mouthpiece. ..."
"... We see the point of all the saber-rattling by NATO on Russia's borders: to get Putin tied up in a diversionary direct threat to Russia, thereby mitigating or eliminating his efforts in behalf of Assad. And you know what? Americans on the street couldn't care one way or the other what Obama or CIA or DoS does or says about Syria. 280,000 dead, millions displaced and Americans are more concerned by a factor of 1000 about 4 dozen gays in Orlando. ..."
"... Saudi Arabia rejoining Turkey: http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13950326000441 ..."
"... These 51 useful idiots are IMO auditioning for the Clinton team while also providing cover for the neo-cons above them like Nuland, Powers, etc. And directionless Kerry says he'll rush home to confer with these idiots rather than dismissing them out of hand. Kerry could only be useful to anyone if Lavrov was in the room with him at all times to keep him in line -- otherwise he reverts to his normal mindless servant of US empire viewpoint, which is to follow whichever way the winds of power are blowing through Washington, DC. ..."
"... Hillary is the neocon's neocon. Pravy Sektor's honorary storm trooper Vicky Nuland is a Hillary protege. NYT has been positioning its readers to embrace Kerry's Plan B for the last month-plus. ..."
"... How many of these diplomats were bribed by Saudi Arabia? ..."
"... This clown Kagan is also the husband of the infamous Victoria Nuland who somehow, defying all logic, still has her job post imbroglio that is the Ukraine today. Hell, she's probably being hailed for that and is an inspiration for lowly State employees. ..."
"... Thank you Victoria, for giving Crimea back to the Russian Federation where it belongs. ..."
"... There are almost exactly 7 months until either Trump or Clinton takes office (presuming that the elites manage to completely control any bad news prior to the Dem nominating convention in late July; if the email dam breaks after that I have no idea what the Dem elites will do, but I figure they won't choose the obviously best candidate against Trump, Bernie). ..."
"... might the West actually directly take on Russia/Syrian government forces? Claiming, of course, some version of R2P ..."
"... State Department Diplomats who have captained failure after failure? If these people were Russian or Chinese they would have been executed for their serial failures in the ME and Afghanistan. The main problem with being 'exceptional' is that the 'exceptional' ones never make a mistake. "War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength" ..."
"... So I was kind of wondering what psychopathic qualities the U.S. War... er, State Department is looking for in potential parasitic career bureaucrats, and came across this self-promotion page on their site. ..."
"... Counterpunch had a great article: http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/06/17/the-case-for-not-voting-in-defense-of-the-lazy-ungrateful-and-uniformed/ ..."
"... And though the content of the review by Army Gen. John W. Nicholson is secret, the U.S. strategy in Afghanistan received a major incentive this month when President Obama decided to expand America's involvement with more airstrikes against insurgents, giving the U.S. military wider latitude to support Afghan forces, both in the air and on the ground." ..."
"... No respect for R2P warriors at the State Department, nor for HRC, Susan Rice and Samantha Power. ..."
"... For Israel to bomb the Syrian military right under the nose of Russian s-400s? Russia, supposedly so dedicated to defending sovereignty, smiles and yawns benignly? A dirty deal has been made... ..."
"... Saudi Arabia desperately needs battlefield success, or there will be a prince, I mean price, to pay http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/u-s-officials-fear-saudi-collapse-if-new-prince-fails-n593996 ..."
"... "Earlier this week as America was trying to make sense of the deadliest case of Islamic terrorism on US soil since 9/11, I wrote a detailed article here at Breitbart News that laid out the clear factual case about Hillary Clinton's top assistant Huma Abedin. I showed how she has deep, clear, and inarguable connections to a Saudi Arabian official named Abdul Omar Naseef, a powerful Kingdom insider who has helped lead a group called the Muslim World League. The Muslim World League is the huge "charity" whose goal is to spread Islam throughout the world and which has been connected to terror groups like Al Qaeda. ..."
"... What is Huma's relationship with a Saudi Arabian official named Abdullah Omar Naseef? ..."
"... Was he the founder of a Saudi charity called the Rabita Trust? ..."
"... Right after 9/11, was the Rabita Trust put on a list by the U.S. government of groups that were funding terrorism? ..."
"... the State Department official obviously has an agenda by providing it to the NYT. The NYT has its own agenda filled as well by prominently posting the article on the top of the front page . ..."
"... One senior official said that the test for whether these proposals for more aggressive action are given high-level consideration will be whether they "fall in line with our contention that there is no military solution to the conflict in Syria." ..."
"... It's important for Russia to ensure that the remains of the first "Israeli" jet it shoots down falls to earth inside Syria. If you've seen a story about the IAF doing something courageous it's bullshit. ..."
"... Wonder how many of these 51 war mongers were appointed by Hillary. ..."
"... The EU-Turkey deal's financial package includes one billion euros in humanitarian aid. There are undoubtedly needs in Turkey, a country which currently hosts close to three million Syrian refugees, but this aid has been negotiated as a reward for border control promises, rather than being based solely on needs. This instrumentalisation of humanitarian aid is unacceptable. ..."
"... kreepy kerry is "running out of patience" since his most desired regime change isn't happening fast enough. ..."
"... The difference between Hillary and ISIS: the latter "takes" the head of enemies, Hillary "gives" head to donors. Forgive the graphic. ..."
"... 50 diplomats petition president for war. Was that written by Orwell? ..."
"... Allow me to further my argument against American Exceptionalism. It is not merely the fact that the U.S. is far from exceptional. From education to infant mortality, the U.S. is woefully behind much of the world. ..."
"... So Hillary, the bloodthirsty Goddess of War, is longing for a second Libya, i.e., a Syria smashed to smithereens, in ashes and ruins, ruled by a chaotic bunch of mad Takfiri extremists, at war all against all. ..."
"... The FBI is stonewalling, keeping the contents of Mateen's 911 call unavailable - though it's part of the public record - presumably because it undermines the "ISIS did it" meme poured over the Orlando mass murder. Apparently Mateen may have mentioned ISIS not quite in the same light as has been portrayed. ..."
"... Now the NYTimes/WSJ are doing the same thing with the 50 dancing diplomats. Releasing what they want us to know and redacting what we want to know : the names of those 50 dancing diplomats. ..."
"... I suppose it comes under the CIA's blanket excuse for secrecy? "Methods and means", or whatever their boilerplate. ..."
"... No doubt the State Department dwarves were ginned up by "Cookies" Nuland and Count Kagan by visions of "x memorandum" of 1946 immortality by attacking the resistance to an unipolar hegemony. Mixing it up in Syria with the Russian presence seems civilization limiting at the outer limits of challenge/ response in a military confrontation. ..."
WASHINGTON - More than 50 State Department diplomats have signed an internal memo sharply critical
of the Obama administration's policy in Syria, urging the United States to carry out military
strikes against the government of President Bashar al-Assad to stop its persistent violations
of a cease-fire in the country's five-year-old civil war.
Note that it was Ahrar al Sham, Jabhat al-Nusra and other U.S. paid and supported "moderates"
who on April 9
broke the ceasefire in Syria by attacking government troops south of Aleppo. They have since
continuously bombarded the government held parts of Aleppo which house over 1.5 million civilians
with improvised artillery.
Back to the piece:
The memo, a draft of which was provided to The New York Times by a State Department official
, says American policy has been "overwhelmed" by the unrelenting violence in Syria. It
calls for "a judicious use of stand-off and air weapons, which would undergird
and drive a more focused and hard-nosed U.S.-led diplomatic process."
...
The names on the memo are almost all midlevel officials - many of them career diplomats - who
have been involved in the administration's Syria policy over the last five years, at home or abroad.
They range from a Syria desk officer in the Bureau of Near Eastern Affairs to a former deputy
to the American ambassador in Damascus.
While there are no widely recognized names, higher-level State Department officials are known
to share their concerns. Mr. Kerry himself has pushed for stronger American action
against Syria, in part to force a diplomatic solution on Mr. Assad.
...
The State Department officials insisted in their memo that they were not "advocating for a
slippery slope that ends in a military confrontation with Russia," but rather a credible threat
of military action to keep Mr. Assad in line.
These State Department loons have their ass covered by Secretary of State Kerry. Otherwise they
would (and should) be fired for obvious ignorance. What "judicious" military threat against Russian
S-400 air defense in Syria is credible? Nukes on Moscow (and New York)?
In the memo, the State Department officials argued that military action against Mr. Assad would
help the fight against the Islamic State because it would bolster moderate Sunnis
, who are necessary allies against the group, also known as ISIS or ISIL.
Would these "diplomats" be able to name even one group of "moderate Sunnis" in Syria that is not
on the side of the Syrian government? Are Ahrar al-Sahm and the other U.S. supported groups, who
recently killed
50 civilians out of purely sectarian motives when they stormed the town of Zara, such "moderate
Sunnis"?
These 50 State Department non-diplomats, and the stinking fish head above them, have obviously
failed in their duty:
"Diplomats" urging military action do nothing but confirm that they do not know their job
which is diplomacy, not bombing. They failed.
These "diplomats" do not know or do not want to follow international law. On what legal basis
would the U.S. bomb the Syrian government and its people? They do not name any. There is none.
To what purpose would the Syrian government and the millions of its followers be bombed? Who
but al-Qaeda would follow if the Assad-led government falls? The "diplomats" ignore that obvious
question.
The NYT writer of the piece on the memo demonstrates that he is just as stupid or dishonest as
the State Department dupes by adding this paragraph:
[T]he memo mainly confirms what has been clear for some time: The State Department's rank and
file have chafed at the White House's refusal to be drawn into the conflict in Syria
.
How is spending
over $1 billion a year to hire, train, arm and support "moderate rebels" against the Syrian government
consistent with the claim of a U.S. "refusal to be drawn into the conflict"?
It is obvious and widely documented that the U.S. has been fueling the conflict from the very
beginning throughout five years and continues up to today to
deliver thousands of tons of weapons to the "moderate rebels".
All the above, the "diplomats" letter and the NYT writer lying, is in preparation of an open U.S.
war on Syria under a possible president Hillary Clinton. (Jo Cox, the "humanitarian" British MP who
was murdered yesterday by some neo-nazi, spoke
in support of such a crime.)
The U.S. military
continues to reject an escalation against the Syrian government. Its reasonable question "what
follows after Assad" has never been seriously answered by the war supporters in the CIA and the State
Department.
Unexpected support of the U.S. military's position now
seems to come from the Turkish side. The Erdogan regime finally acknowledges that a Syria under
Assad is more convenient to it than a Kurdish state in north-Syria which the U.S. is currently helping
to establish:
"Assad is, at the end of the day, a killer. He is torturing his own people. We're not going to
change our stance on that," a senior official from the ruling AK Party told Reuters, requesting
anonymity so as to speak more freely.
"But he does not support Kurdish autonomy. We may not like each other, but on that
we're backing the same policy ," he said.
Ankara fears that territorial gains by Kurdish YPG fighters in northern Syria will fuel an
insurgency by the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK), which has waged an armed struggle in Turkey's
southeast for three decades.
The Turks have suddenly removed their support for their "Turkmen" proxies fighting the Syrian
government in Latakia in north west Syria. Over the last few days the "Turkmen" retreated and the
Syrian army
advanced . It may soon reach the Turkish border. Should the Latakia front calm down the Syrian
army will be able to move several thousand troops from Latakia towards other critical sectors. The
Turkish government, under the new Prime Minister Binali Yildirim, is now also
sending peace signals towards Russia.
The situation in Syria could rapidly change in favor of the Syrian government should Turkey
change its bifurcating policies and continue these moves. Without their Turkish bases and support
the "moderate rebels" would soon be out of supplies and would lack the ability to continue their
fighting. The Russians and their allies should further emphasize the "Kurdish threat" to advance
this Turkish change of mind.
The race to preempt a Hillary administration war on Syria, which the "diplomats" memo prepares
for, is now on. May the not-warmongering side win.
This is the Yankees trying to pretend that they're still exceptionally invincible, in order to
conceal the fact that they never were. One only need look at all the tentative tiptoeing around
China & Russia to see that they're trying to convince themselves that Russia and China are run
by people as loony and disconnected as the self-seducers in charge of AmeriKKKan Foreign Policy.
SmoothieX got it 100% right in the previous thread..
"The names on the memo are almost all medeival offiCIAls ..."
There, fixed it for you. Enjoying the calm before the Goldman Sturm, the takeover of the US
Executive in 2017 for the Final Solution on liberating the Fifth Quintile's Last Free Life Savings,
and plunging the globe into a New Dark Ages: Trump or Clinton, allatime same-same.
The State Department and the CIA's 'Plan C' (or are they on 'Plan D' yet?) is an independent
Syrian Kurdistan.
The FSA Sunnistan plan has been going down the tubes for months. With the imminent fall of
the last few FSA strongholds, the State Department has gone berserk with their latest standoff
bombing memo 'leak' nonsense. A desperate attempt to save the rebels, who now hate them and
completely understand how they have been thrown under the bus by the State Department neocons.
I really don't think the rebels will be the least bit impressed by the phony theatrics of a internal
memo by mid-level bureaucrats.
The Pentagram is in a bit of a different pickle. They have to do something to stop the
Wahhabi head-choppers, but its a bit like herding cats. The best they've come up with is ginning
up the SDF to take/hold ISIS territory. But they can't arm the Kurds or Arab members with any
REAL weapons because that would anger Turkey. So they give them a bunch of eastern European AKs
and a few pickup trucks with anti-aircraft guns, promise air support and toss in a few SF guys.
This almost works, but not completely. For what it's worth, I don't think the Pentagram cares
at all about an independent Syrian Kurdistan, unifying the cantons or who gets what land/resources,
as long as it's taken from ISIS. When ISIS is wiped out, the SDF will cease to exist and
the SF guys will leave. The SDF and especially the YPG/YPJ will NOT ever be incented to provoke
or go to war with Assad after ISIS is gone. That's a problem for the State Department and CIA
The neocon State Department and CIA - normally at odds with the Pentagon's increasing reluctance
to get involved at all - are taking this opportunity to agitate for an independent Kurdistan.
This is done by funding the Kurdish PYD political party which purports to speak for all Kurds.
The State Department and CIA also fund the PYD's growing Asayish thug secret police 'enforcers'.
The PYD took control of Rojava by throwing out all the other political parties last year and crowning
itself the King of all Syrian Kurds. But most Kurds don't trust the PYD, figuring that either
Assad or the U.S. is really pulling the strings. The Kurds agree with the original PYD ideology,
but not its current land/resource-grabbing frenzy NOR the kind of independent Kurdistan the PYD
is suggesting. They want more rights and control of their affairs, but they do not want an actual
or de facto independent Syrian Kurdistan.
The MSM (as CIA lapdogs are paid to do) constantly try to reinforce the message that the
independent YPG/YPJ militias are somehow 'the PYD's army'. Nothing is further from the truth -
it's all MSM spin to create the impression that the Syrian Kurds uniformly desire the usurped
PYD vision of an independent Kurdistan. In reality, the U.S. State Department neocons and the
CIA are the ones that want an independent Syrian Kurdistan for their own scheming (and to deny
Assad the land/water/oil). The MSM is constantly on message with this to set the narrative to
the American public for Syrian partition - most people have no clue.
For what it's worth, Assad is keenly aware of his history with the Kurds. Even by
Kurdish media reports
, he is willing to work with the Syrian Kurds as part of a unified Syrian state. He does not
object to Kurdish rights or autonomy, just the U.S. meddling to goad the PYD into creating a separate
Kurdish state. The U.S. State Department does NOT want Rojava to be part of Syria or the
Syrian State and spins the Assad/Kurd relation as antagonistic in the MSM. This is the 'Plan C'
Syrian partition scheme. Hopefully, the average Kurd can see through their scheming and will not
follow the dictates of a usurped PYD to go to war with Syria for their independence. They would
be better off dumping and outlawing the PYD completely and working with the new Syrian government
on the future AFTER ISIS (and hopefully without any U.S. State Department and CIA).
Your assessment above is a supremely eloquent assessment and a scream for sanity to return.
Thank you so very much for your always illuminating writings.
I think you're quite right. That corresponds with what I've thought for some time. I'm
sure the US will throw the Syrian Kurds "under the bus" when their usefulness is finished. I'm
sure also that a lot of Syrian Kurds know this, and are hedging their bets.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/france-building-military-bases-in-syria-report/5531259 "The
use of proxy forces to destroy the secular government of Syria is now starting to give way to
stealth methods of direct ground deployment of Western Special Forces and ground troops under
the guise of assistance and coordination with "moderate" terrorists. "With a wide variety of Western-backed
terrorist groups ranging from "extremist" terrorists like ISIS, al-Qaeda, and al-Nusra to the
"moderate" terrorists of the FSA and the loose collection of terrorists, Kurds, and Arabs like
the SDF, the West has a kaleidoscope of proxy forces on the ground already.
"Yet, even as Syria's military clashes with the West's proxies, the United States, Britain,
and France have begun moving in Special Forces soldiers to assist in the mission of destroying
the Syrian government, a mission that Israeli, Jordanian, and Turkish officers have joined in
as well. That is, of course, despite the fact that Russian Special Forces are on the ground fighting
on the side of the Syrian military.
"Likewise, both the United States and Russia are busy building military bases in the northern
regions of Syria to use as staging grounds for new operations."
So Russian peace talks with US evil empire in Syria were a disaster, which makes Putin look
like an idiot, as well as the supporters of this idiocy. As well as Russian invitations for the
US to join it in Syria makes it one of the most stupidest invitations ever.
Since B is not mentioning it, he might as well not mention that the French terrorist invaders
along with the already US terrorists, and possibly German invaders will be occupying parts of
Syria.
Oh, but that's alright because Putin invited the evil minions of the Us empire into Syria,
you know, because the bad PR opportunity is a much better outcome then world War three.
The Iranians have been warring with Kurds by the border with Turkey. Neither the Turks nor
the Iranians - nor the Syrians, but they do need the Kurds now - want a Kurdistan. The Kurds must
know by now - must have been betrayed enough by now - to know that the US will tell them anything,
promise them anything, and deliver nothing but betrayal in the end.
As regards the State Department, the Pentagon, the US government ... what's required is
a neo-con purge, top to bottom. They are all working against American interests and against the
American people. and have been for the past two decades. The likelihood of such a purge is about
zero. Neither Trump nor Hillary has the will or the backbone to stand up to anyone. Trump's all
mouth and looking out for number one, and Hillary's plugged in to the money-mosaic as well. Obama's
getting ready to cash in his chips.
It looks to be more of the same, until they really do go after Russia, when it will be all
over for all of us. I can't imagine that they really believe they can get away with this, but
this bunch is all 'mid-level', 'just following orders', it won't be 'their fault' and that's the
level they're working at. The people calling the tune think they can play the real world as they
do their fake financial world, making up new rules as they go along, as they redefine success
after each of their serial failures.
Talk about boiled frogs. How in the hell have we let it get this far?
I am amazed at your unflagging obsession with holding Putin responsible for the US/UK/EU/NATO/GCC
destruction of Syria. You've set him up as your omnipotent god and he's failed you, somehow. Putin,
Rusia, is not responsible for the death, devastation, and destruction of Iraq, Syria, Libya or
the rest of the middle east or north africa. You're throwing your stones at the wrong guy, at
the only guy who's done anything at all to help the Syrians and to forestall the monstrous neo-con
plan. This letter may be, as b says, a measure of theneo-cons' fear that it will all be over
for 'their guys' in Syria by 21 January. If that were to come to pass, Vladimir Putin will have
had a big hand in it.
Nicola @10 from your link 'Extending American power' I had to laugh at this... 4. "All of which
provides the basis for our strong belief
that the United States still has the military, economic,
and political power to play the leading role in pro
-tecting a stable rules-based international order". 'Rules based',ha, the US is the leading regime
change state, acting always contrary to International law to benefit its hegemonic ambitions.
All five veto wielding powers and their friends are above International law for all time. Thankfully,
Russia and China cannot be threatened militarily and will confront the monstrous US designs in
Syria, once the head choppers are defeated the victors should move against the real source of
terrorism in the region, Saudi Arabia and the various GCC satraps. b's article above is excellent
and is echoed in this piece in Antiwar.com
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2016/06/16/something-going-worse-thought/
There are other worrying development in Syroi a namely changing of Riusssian attitude to Assaad.
First Lavrov said that Russia is not Syrian government ally, they just fight terrorists together.
An obvious nonsense.
And now this.
Israel, following several similar air raids in previous months just bombed SAA installation
in Homs province, in the middle of Syria just 45 second flight of S400 rockets located in latakia,
while Netanyahu was smiling with Putin in Moscow.
Can you explain WTF? All of that while IDF artillery provides cover for ANF commanded by formed
ISIL commander in Golan Heights foothills,
There is more about Russian de-facto acquiescence for Syrian partition and pivot to Israel:
STRANGE DAYS: Did Israelis Pivoted to Russia? Or the other way around.
https://syrianwarupdate.wordpress.com/
This is not preview nor is it a strategy, since strategies are based on more or less professional
and realistic, I may add, assessments of the outside world. I do not have any recollection of
any serious US doctrinal (policy or military wise) document in the last 20 years written from
the position of comprehensive situational awareness--this is a non existent condition among most
of US current "power elites". The document you posted is a typical wet dream written by utterly
incompetent neocons (Kagan's and Zoellik names are a tell), people who can not and must not be
allowed to operate with serious strategic and operational categories in any "advisory" role.
They simply have no qualifications for that and are nothing more than a bunch of ideologues and
propagandists from Ivy League humanities degree mill. Back to "preview"--it is a dominant ideology
of "exceptionalism" which afflicted US "elites" today, this document is just another iteration
of this ideology.
i read about 30 of 160 or so comments on this article at NYT. given who the audience of that
shit rag is & that comments are vetted, overwhelmingly commenters stated increased military involvement
is retarded. Of course, many of those speak from ignorance of what's really going on, but
the knee-jerk suspicion of US Syria policy & these FSO dickheads seems a good sign.
There is more about Russian de-facto acquiescence for Syrian partition and pivot to Israel:
It is exactly the other way around. How can Russia, which dwarfs Israel in every meaningful
category -- from economy to military -- and who does remember her history well can "pivot" to
largely regional player -- I don't know. Russian "neocons" are a dramatically different breed
than US ones, for starters they are much more educated and, actually, support Assad. Israel's
pivot to Russia in some sense is inevitable, albeit it could be fairly protracted, with Russia
being observed as honest broker. They are not completely stupid in Israel and are very aware of
real situation in American politics, economy and military. In other words -- they know how
to count and see who pulls the strings. And then there is another "little tiny" factor--Israelis
know damn well who won WW II in Europe. It matters, a great deal.
I note that the 'moderate' Hillary Clinton is a blood-soaked queen of chaos, who if elected
is certain to embroil us in pointless wars and spread death and devastation across even more of
the world. I say this not because I am psychic, but because that is her unambiguous record.
Donald Trump is admittedly a gamble, but depute his over-the-top stage persona, his track
record is of actually getting along with people and brokering stable working relationships.
This November I'm going for the wild-card who at least sounds rational (if you listen to what
he actually proposes, and not his style) and has a track record of actually being pragmatic, over
certain doom.
At this point I wish I could vote for Richard Nixon (!), but we have the choice that we
have...
This piece out of the NYT is pure propaganda. Period. Here's the big clue - where's the memo?
It's not embedded in the article. It can't be found anywhere on the web. It's b/c it doesn't exist.
The reader is 'TOLD' by a third party journalist few follow who writes for a MIC/Political/Policy
corporate mouthpiece.
If an article does not link to an original source OR quotes only 'anon sources' be skeptical.
Journalism, especially alt news journalists, site original sources AND try like hell to get sources
to go on the record.
My apologies in advance if I'm being offensive to our generous host. That is not my intent.
Rather, it's venting a long held frustration I've had with the division within corporate newsrooms
who are there solely to sell the readers the news, even if it's made up out of thin air.
Yeah . . .agree 90%. Here are some minor details that need to be tidied up, and a couple thoughts.
1.
b: it was Ahrar al Sham, Jabhat al-Nusra and other U.S. paid and supported "moderates"
who on April 9 broke the ceasefire in Syria.
This is not quite accurate. Resolution 2254 exempted al Nusra from the cease-fire, not sure
about al Sham and whatever others you are referring to. If they were excluded from the cease-fire,
then they couldn't break it.
2.
The NYT writer is Mark Landler, not Lander. If you're going to accuse him of being stupid or dishonest,
you want to get the name right. Mark Lander, whoever he is, might have a pack of bulldog lawyers.
3.
I don't see in Landler's article a link to the memo or a list of the people who signed it. Someone
needs to publish that list of signatories to preserve the record of who the DOS idiots are.
4. We see the point of all the saber-rattling by NATO on Russia's borders: to get Putin tied
up in a diversionary direct threat to Russia, thereby mitigating or eliminating his efforts in
behalf of Assad. And you know what? Americans on the street couldn't care one way or the other
what Obama or CIA or DoS does or says about Syria. 280,000 dead, millions displaced and Americans
are more concerned by a factor of 1000 about 4 dozen gays in Orlando.
Thanks for sharing your outrage, b. I completely agree. I have been ranting about this all morning
and it's good to see someone else stating the case so the rest of us don't feel isolated in our
anger at this vicious and dangerous stupidity. These 51 useful idiots are IMO auditioning
for the Clinton team while also providing cover for the neo-cons above them like Nuland, Powers,
etc. And directionless Kerry says he'll rush home to confer with these idiots rather than dismissing
them out of hand. Kerry could only be useful to anyone if Lavrov was in the room with him at all
times to keep him in line -- otherwise he reverts to his normal mindless servant of US empire
viewpoint, which is to follow whichever way the winds of power are blowing through Washington,
DC.
CIA .... YPG .... ALNUSRA.... FSL , all these acronyms are so confusing , how about considering
the level of sanity and intelligence of these groups ( which is probably below that of a wounded
flea .... ) why not call them Scoobidoos vs the Syrian Army
so the article would go something like this :
In the memo, the Scoobidoos State Department officials argued that military action against
Mr. Assad would help the fight against the Scoobidoos because it would bolster moderate Scoobidoos,
who are necessary allies against the group, also known as Scoobidoos .
I thought it was a "cessation of hostilities" not a case fire. The difference is not trivial,
and State Department employees should know the difference. The signers are either incompetent
or evil (not mutually exclusive, of course).
dont think landler is stupid. dishonest and deceiving would be my say. he is a nyt's jew writing,
maybe lying, regarding syria. NYT: only news acceptable to jews. sometimes, many times we have
to make up stories and facts to (maybe) fit.
cant find any of the dissenting names.
like to know how many are jew if story not total fake
then there is the political hatchet job on the russian track/field olym team.
I think the key takeaway is b's last two sentences: "The race to preempt a Hillary administration
war on Syria, which the 'diplomats' memo prepares for, is now on. May the not-warmongering side
win."
Hillary is the neocon's neocon. Pravy Sektor's honorary storm trooper Vicky Nuland is a
Hillary protege. NYT has been positioning its readers to embrace Kerry's Plan B for the last month-plus.
Whether during or shortly after Hillary's first 100 days in office, U.S. military engagement
with Libya and Syria will likely be significantly greater than it is now.
This is the exact reason the Ministers of Defense of Syria, Russia and Iran held meeting in Teheran
just recently. My assumption is they are planning on rolling up the acres, so to speak in Syria.
All before the new POTUS comes to office. Also, Hezbollah just announced it's sending in reinforcements
to the battlefield. All this while the Chinese continue to sleep. Sigh.
The Kurds are the last great hope for the oil and especially natural gas pipelines dream from
the GCC to Europe, but still, Israel is not happy. They wanted a branch-off pipeline for themselves.
Also Jordan was to get a small branch-off too. Israel is no more than a parasite, look up the
definition. It's exact. Turkey would benefit economically due to transit fees. That's why the
Turks are so heavily involved. Turkey, who's economy is done for due to Chinese cheap products
swamping the M.E; is crashed. Jordan is broke (hence they allow the head choppers to be trained
on their territory). The U.S is the overlord who wants this project to be implemented so as to
deny Russia the European market (see Saudia too).
Netanyahu has visited Russia 3-4 times (not sure)to dissuade Putin on his support for Bashar
( who said yes to the Friendship pipeline- Running from Russia, Iran, Iraq, Syria..to the Mediterranean
thru to Greece, Europe). No other World leader makes that many visits is such a short time to
another capital. Netanyahu obviously failed in his endeavor, as the Russians are familiar with
these Zionist snakes very well. All they have to look at is the genocide perpetrated by said Zionists
in their very own 20th Century history. I even read that Putin irked Netanyahu when Putin offered
him back the Pale of Settlement if they wanted to make the smart choice. Beautiful if true. Probably
wishful thinking tho.
Anyways, Israel runs the U.S State Department(see, the Crazies in the Basement). They don't
call it Foggy Bottom for nothing. Must be foggy now due to too many employess smoking bongs in
the downstairs cafeteria, hence the ridiculous memo. Also the writer of the memo is most certainly
another member of the chosen tribe.
Yes, a 'Night of the Broken Glass' or 'Night of the Long Knives' is much needed to save Humanity
essentially. But don't hope for it. Congress, Capital Hill leaders , MSM heads and head anchors,
most everybody in the Whit house(except the kitchen staff) would have to be rounded up.
The only hope would have been the U.S Military Officer Corp. before the great purges post 9-11.
Now it's I'm possible. God help the American people and the World.
This clown Kagan is also the husband of the infamous Victoria Nuland who somehow, defying
all logic, still has her job post imbroglio that is the Ukraine today. Hell, she's probably being
hailed for that and is an inspiration for lowly State employees.
Thank you Victoria, for giving Crimea back to the Russian Federation where it belongs.
There are almost exactly 7 months until either Trump or Clinton takes office (presuming
that the elites manage to completely control any bad news prior to the Dem nominating convention
in late July; if the email dam breaks after that I have no idea what the Dem elites will do, but
I figure they won't choose the obviously best candidate against Trump, Bernie).
Seven months. If Russia lends more of its strength, is it possible to gain the territory and
hold it to the point that, oh, the West's illegal bases will have to close down? Or might
the West actually directly take on Russia/Syrian government forces? Claiming, of course, some
version of
R2P
State Department Diplomats who have captained failure after failure? If these people were
Russian or Chinese they would have been executed for their serial failures in the ME and Afghanistan.
The main problem with being 'exceptional' is that the 'exceptional' ones never make a mistake.
"War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength"
So I was kind of wondering what psychopathic qualities the U.S. War... er, State Department
is looking for in potential parasitic career bureaucrats, and came across this self-promotion
page on their site. They seem to feel that working for them immerses you in a 'Culture of
Leadership'. I guess the 'Culture of Chaos and Death' theme, although more neocon-appropriate,
was shot down in favor of tempting potential employees with the possibility of more power and
control.
There are times the depressing mood on MoA is mitigated by some of the rather classic spelling
errors. I sometimes wonder if they might be intentional in order to lighten the mood?
In the inner halls of Pentagramagon nothing succeeds financially like serial designed failure
...
KABUL, Afghanistan - "The new U.S. commander in Afghanistan has submitted his first three-month
assessment of the situation in the war-torn country and what it's going to take to defeat the
Taliban, a U.S. military official has told The Associated Press.
And though the content of the review by Army Gen. John W. Nicholson is secret, the U.S.
strategy in Afghanistan received a major incentive this month when President Obama decided to
expand America's involvement with more airstrikes against insurgents, giving the U.S. military
wider latitude to support Afghan forces, both in the air and on the ground."
No respect for
R2P warriors
at the State Department, nor for HRC, Susan Rice and Samantha Power. Jo Cox as former
Oxfam executive was moved by the same massacres of Rwanda, Yugoslavia and Darfur.
Unwittingly (?) the R2P argument was used by the Obama White House to intervene in Libya and
Syria. The US took R2P a step further to force regime change which is illegal by International
law. See George Bush and
Tony Blair
to white-wash the cruelty of torture, rendition, Abu Ghraib, extrajudicial assassinations,
etc, etc.
Former US Ambassador to Syria Robert S. Ford was an apprentice of John Negroponte in Baghdad,
Iraq.
If I were Assad, I would be shaking in my boots right now and having Gaddafi dreams. Russia has
clearly allied itself closely to Israel and Nato in Syria. Some kind of sanctions relief deal
must be in the works. Syria will be split up soon. Assad is a dead man.
For Israel to bomb the Syrian military right under the nose of Russian s-400s? Russia,
supposedly so dedicated to defending sovereignty, smiles and yawns benignly? A dirty deal has
been made...
"Earlier this week as America was trying to make sense of the deadliest case of Islamic terrorism
on US soil since 9/11, I wrote a detailed article here at Breitbart News that laid out the clear
factual case about Hillary Clinton's top assistant Huma Abedin. I showed how she has deep, clear,
and inarguable connections to a Saudi Arabian official named Abdul Omar Naseef, a powerful Kingdom
insider who has helped lead a group called the Muslim World League. The Muslim World League is
the huge "charity" whose goal is to spread Islam throughout the world and which has been connected
to terror groups like Al Qaeda. If that sounds like a serious accusation, you're damn right
it is."
"The three questions are very simple, very straightforward, and, frankly, anybody can research
the answers themselves. They are:
1) What is Huma's relationship with a Saudi Arabian official named Abdullah Omar Naseef?
2) Was he the founder of a Saudi charity called the Rabita Trust?
3) Right after 9/11, was the Rabita Trust put on a list by the U.S. government of groups
that were funding terrorism?"
"If I were Assad, I would be shaking in my boots right now and having Gaddafi dreams."
Interesting opinion? If you made a list of democratically elected Presidents and National Leaders
the US/GB/ISR axis have terminated you will fill a book. From Patrice Lumumba to Hugo Chavez the
list goes on and on. Could you supply me with a list of National Leaders that Russia under Putin
has terminated?
WASHINGTON (Sputnik) - US Department of State has no plans to make public an internal memo
calling for the United States to take military action against Syrian President Bashar Assad's
government, US Department of State spokesperson John Kirby said in a briefing on Friday. "There's
no plans to make it public," Kirby stated when asked when the State Department would release
the dissent letter.
Furthermore, Kirby said there will be no investigation as to how the letter ended up in
the public domain.
By 'public domain', Kirby means on some writer's desk at the NYT, never to be seen by the unwashed
masses. To be fair, the State Department's "Dissent Memo" program is supposed to be confidential
even within the State Department itself to encourage its use. Mark Landler said in his article
that a draft of it was leaked by 'a State Department official' to the NYT. So some skepticism
of the existence or eventual submission of the actual memo is warranted. Not that Landry is lying
or hasn't verified it, but the State Department official obviously has an agenda by providing
it to the NYT. The NYT has its own agenda filled as well by prominently posting the article
on
the top of the front page .
Nyt participating in these pressures is coordinated with medecins sans frontiere announcing
today that they ll refuse eu money to protest on the treatment of refugees and with recent surge
in french and uk msm of so called white helmets exclusive pictured
Obama, despite dissent on Syria, not shifting toward strikes on Assad
The U.S. administration sought on Friday to contain fallout from a leaked internal memo critical
of its Syria policy, but showed no sign it was willing to consider military strikes against Syrian
President Bashar al-Assad's forces called for in the letter signed by dozens of U.S. diplomats.
Several U.S. officials said that while the White House is prepared to hear the diplomats' dissenting
viewpoint, it is not expected to spur any changes in President Barack Obama's approach to Syria
in his final seven months in office.
One senior official said that the test for whether these proposals for more aggressive
action are given high-level consideration will be whether they "fall in line with our contention
that there is no military solution to the conflict in Syria."
It's important for Russia to ensure that the remains of the first "Israeli" jet it shoots
down falls to earth inside Syria. If you've seen a story about the IAF doing something courageous
it's bullshit.
The EU-Turkey deal's financial package includes one billion euros in humanitarian aid.
There are undoubtedly needs in Turkey, a country which currently hosts close to three million
Syrian refugees, but this aid has been negotiated as a reward for border control promises,
rather than being based solely on needs. This instrumentalisation of humanitarian aid is unacceptable.
Last week the European Commission unveiled a new proposal to replicate the EU-Turkey logic
across more than 16 countries in Africa and the Middle East.
These deals would impose trade and development aid sanctions on countries that do not stem
migration to Europe or facilitate forcible returns, rewarding those that do. Among these potential
partners are
Somalia ,
Eritrea , Sudan and Afghanistan – four of the top ten* refugee generating countries.
kreepy kerry is "running out of patience" since his most desired regime change isn't happening
fast enough. How many others are in the works? I'm running-out-of-patience waiting for the
regime change anyone with 1/2 a brain wants, right here in the U.S. Regime Change US. It's our
turn. I just read Putin's speech at the St. Petersburg Int'l Forum. He must have used the word
"cooperation" at least 20 times. We need such a great leader. Terroristic turds like kerry and
co. belong in jail.
50 diplomats petition president for war. Was that written by Orwell? Isn't it enough
that this "peaceful" nation arms the world and places economic "pressure" on those nations that
displease her to the point of causing millions to die - do we really have to "kill the village
to save it?" Yes, I agree, each and every one of those "career diplomats" should be looking for
other work. They have not merely lost their way, they have lost their minds. My contempt for them
is manifest, as is my contempt for the entire MIC. That those trained in diplomacy should send
such a despicable petition illuminates the deep corrupting influence of American Exceptionalism
- a force for the kind of nationalism Germany endured 1933-45. Idiots.
Allow me to further my argument against American Exceptionalism. It is not merely the fact
that the U.S. is far from exceptional. From education to infant mortality, the U.S. is woefully
behind much of the world. My objection is that belief in exceptionalism leads to moral decay.
It is the functional equivalent of the 19th Century preachers who endorsed slavery, who preached
that negroes carried the mark of Cain, etc. Whites were God's chosen. The pseudo-righteousness
that preaching created in believers was largely responsible for America's Civil War. Americans
will be better people, with a better society, if we dispel this myth immediately. We're OK, you're
OK. Then we could have peace. Wouldn't that be nice?
So Hillary, the bloodthirsty Goddess of War, is longing for a second Libya, i.e., a Syria
smashed to smithereens, in ashes and ruins, ruled by a chaotic bunch of mad Takfiri extremists,
at war all against all. The Queen of Chaos, indeed, loves these scenarios. Especially because
her quick attack as first thing should she win the White House would shut the mouths of her critics
wanting her prosecuted for her crooked political and business corruption. But she and her State
Department surrogates would be in for a surprise: Russian and Syrian defences would not remain
silent. And afterwards, what would be left? How would the Exceptionalist who "gets things done"
proceed?
The FBI is stonewalling, keeping the contents of Mateen's 911 call unavailable - though it's
part of the public record - presumably because it undermines the "ISIS did it" meme poured over
the Orlando mass murder. Apparently Mateen may have mentioned ISIS not quite in the same light
as has been portrayed.
Now the NYTimes/WSJ are doing the same thing with the 50 dancing diplomats. Releasing what
they want us to know and redacting what we want to know : the names of those 50 dancing diplomats.
I suppose it comes under the CIA's blanket excuse for secrecy? "Methods and means", or
whatever their boilerplate.
Releasing their names might give us the means to track the 5th column as it winds its way through
'our' government, and that must be prevented at all costs. Think it might lead through Hillary?
Seems no doubt here.
No doubt the State Department dwarves were ginned up by "Cookies" Nuland and Count Kagan by
visions of "x memorandum" of 1946 immortality by attacking the resistance to an unipolar hegemony.
Mixing it up in Syria with the Russian presence seems civilization limiting at the outer limits
of challenge/ response in a military confrontation.
"... The new law lists political activity as participation in street rallies and marches and any activity aimed at influencing the result of an election or a referendum. The list also includes elections monitoring, participation in the work of political parties, public appeals to state agencies seeking changes in laws, circulating appraisals of existing laws or state policies and attempts to influence views on political issues through opinion polls. ..."
"... The act also names the spheres where no activity can be recognized as political. These are culture, science, sport, fine arts, healthcare, environmental protection, volunteering and charity. ..."
"... The Foreign Agents Law, introduced in late 2012, obliges all NGOs who receive funding from abroad and engaged in political activities to register as foreign agents or risk substantial fines. In November 2014, the law was expanded with a bill making it illegal for Russian political parties to receive sponsorship, or enter any business deals with NGOs with "foreign agent" status. ..."
"... basically they force the Western group to abbolish their mask of well-doing and care-takers. Now, any organisation has to stick to it's public platform, the one that they use to get supporters, Basically, is using their weapons against them ..."
"... Lloyd Blankfein of Goldman Sachs is doing God's work. ..."
"... Is the Clinton Foundation exempted? -:) ..."
"... do not be naive, there will not short of George Soros. There are many already groomed George Soros even more evil than the original. George Soros and all others evil personal, organizations and other could only disappear when the nation America's current fake democracy change & real democracy introduce. But this is far farfetch for obvious reasons ..."
"... Those, who work for the Russia they compete and receive grants for their deeds. And these NGOs - is 5 column, all rose by grants of the west, and must lie to and to pour dirt on Russia in the Western media. In Russia, they do not need anyone, so that is why feeds them west. ..."
"... I think you have to be careful as agents can be coming in to work for charities too or being bought by foreign interests. ..."
"... They are the principle vehicles used by CIA, thats how they toppled Yugoslavia, Ukraine and subvert the EU. ..."
The Russian president has signed into law a bill defining the term political activity of non-governmental
organizations and allowing charity groups receiving funding from abroad not to register as foreign
agents.
The new law lists political activity as participation in street rallies and marches and any activity
aimed at influencing the result of an election or a referendum. The list also includes elections
monitoring, participation in the work of political parties, public appeals to state agencies seeking
changes in laws, circulating appraisals of existing laws or state policies and attempts to influence
views on political issues through opinion polls.
The act also names the spheres where no activity can be recognized as political. These are culture,
science, sport, fine arts, healthcare, environmental protection, volunteering and charity. Groups
involved in these activities should not register as foreign agents even if they get foreign funding
and at the same time participate in events seeking to influence the decisions of state bodies.
The bill was drafted by the Justice Ministry in January and passed by the lower and upper houses
of parliament in late May. The move came after President Vladimir Putin last October ordered his
administration to take measures aimed at defining political activities in Russia. Putin also personally
promised human rights activists that the controversial law on foreign agents would be amended.
"The definition of political activity must not be vague, it must not be expandable, and there
must be only one way to understand it. And in any case we should not fit anything that is not
welcomed by representatives of the authorities or Justice Ministry or anyone else under this definition,"
Putin told the members of the Presidential Council for Human Rights.
The Foreign Agents Law, introduced in late 2012, obliges all NGOs who receive funding from abroad
and engaged in political activities to register as foreign agents or risk substantial fines. In November
2014, the law was expanded with a bill making it illegal for Russian political parties to receive
sponsorship, or enter any business deals with NGOs with "foreign agent" status.
Many rights groups in Russia and abroad protested the move saying it would jeopardize their existence.
The sponsors of the act and top Russian officials including President Putin have repeatedly emphasized
that its main purpose was providing better information for voters, and that it would eventually benefit
democracy.
SMD99> ursulariches
ursulariches
I think you have to be careful as agents can be coming in to work for charities too or
being more...
Putin being a former KGB agent might be the most aware leader of this and special measures
against this have already been taken behind the scene. I think the bill has another goal. By saying
exactly what types of 'foreign-funding' is considered to be 'political' and against the law,
basically
they force the Western group to abbolish their mask of well-doing and care-takers. Now, any organisation
has to stick to it's public platform, the one that they use to get supporters, Basically, is using
their weapons against them
Enrique Ferro> Lord Vadar
Lord Vadar
Lloyd Blankfein of Goldman Sachs is doing God's work.
Ha! Ha!
Enrique Ferro
Is the Clinton Foundation exempted? -:)
Alemseged Makonnen> Out Lander
Out Lander
He is too Old ... George Soros will be dead in next 1 or 2 years and directly go to hell...
do not be naive, there will not short of George Soros. There are many already groomed
George Soros
even more evil than the original. George Soros and all others evil personal, organizations and
other could only disappear when the nation America's current fake democracy change & real democracy
introduce. But this is far farfetch for obvious reasons
james greer
All good leaders will take care of their own country first, then what's left over can be used
to help others. MR Putin is a good leader.
Lord Vadar
Lloyd Blankfein of Goldman Sachs is doing God's work.
GarricRus > Av Toma
Av Toma
Russia allocates huge funds for the opposition and on different programs ....
Those, who work for the more...
Their "party" have reached the grand total of ZERO deputie
Av Toma
Russia allocates huge funds for the opposition and on different programs ....
Those, who work for the Russia they compete and receive grants for their deeds. And these NGOs
- is 5 column, all rose by grants of the west, and must lie to and to pour dirt on Russia in the
Western media. In Russia, they do not need anyone, so that is why feeds them west.
ursularichea
I think you have to be careful as agents can be coming in to work for charities too or being
bought by foreign interests.
Machentse
They are the principle vehicles used by CIA, thats how they toppled Yugoslavia, Ukraine and
subvert the EU.
"... Obama implemented health care "reforms" that were written by a health care industry lobbyist and have further enriched Big Pharma and health insurers. ..."
"... Oh, come on. Lots of people have covered this at length. The country was petrified when Obama took office. He had a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate and the House. He could has passed anything he wanted. It was his own Robert Rubin holdover, bank friendly neoliberal Larry Summers, who argued for a smaller stimulus and bullied Christine Romer, whose modeling called for more. He could have passed real health care reform and didn't. ..."
"... Obama has governed center right because he has a center right world view. Presidents have enormous bully pulpits. They can move the Overton window if they choose to. He didn't make an effort because that is what he believes. I saw that with his disappointing first inauguration speech. He has even failed to do things that were entirely within his power, like his promised "first action" of his Administration of closing Gitmo. ..."
"... However, come 2009 it was immediately obvious Obama was a complete and total fraud ..."
"... With the help of the IM, by mid-2009 I fully understood that Obama was a continuation of Bush, and Bush was a continuation of Clinton. ..."
"... ike Clinton and Bush, Obama has done nothing but aggressively push this country, and the world, to the FAR right… by embracing a Global Corporate/Mafia/Neoliberal/Neocon 'New World Order' that exclusively privileges the 5% capitalist class over the 95% working class. ..."
"... You admit "Bill Clinton took the Democratic Party in a neoliberal direction"… but don't see that Obama did the exact same thing? How is that possible? ..."
Huh? Obama has not moved the US to the left. He had the opportunity to come down hard on Wall
Street and didn't. He even engineered a second huge bailout for Wall Street, in the form of the
"get out of liability almost free" card of the 2012 National Mortgage Settlement. He is keen to
implement trade deals that would be huge wins for multinationals at the expense of national sovereignity,
including the ability of the US to regulate product safety, financial services, and the environment.
His Presidency has seen profit share of GDP rise to record levels, and a "recovery" where the
1% gained at the expense of everyone else.
Google "Jane Hamsher" and "veal pen". Obama from the very start of his presidency targeted
well funded leftist groups and got them defunded, systematically.
Obama implemented health care "reforms" that were written by a health care industry lobbyist
and have further enriched Big Pharma and health insurers. He made promises to raise the minimum
wage that he failed to act on. His Supreme Court picks were centrist at best. His Department of
Justice has been soft on anti-trust, soft on elite white collar crime. He's routinely used the
Republicans as an excuse to do what he wanted, which was to govern center-right. He'd regularly
concede 75% of what they asked for as his opening gambit. And then he'd move further right to
get bills passed.
Oh, come on. Lots of people have covered this at length. The country was petrified when
Obama took office. He had a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate and the House. He could has
passed anything he wanted. It was his own Robert Rubin holdover, bank friendly neoliberal Larry
Summers, who argued for a smaller stimulus and bullied Christine Romer, whose modeling called
for more. He could have passed real health care reform and didn't.
He similarly could have passed real financial services industry reform and didn't. Dodd Frank
was weak tea and had many of its provisions kicked over for study and later rulemaking, which
was designed to let the industry have another go at watering it down. Danny Tarullo at the Fed
singlehandedly has been a more effective force for reform than the Obama Administration.
The Obama administration enabled the taking by bank servicer of millions of homes when investors
in those securitizations preferred modifications.
And please tell me what Obama has done in terms of improvements in consumer rights. The only
thing I can think of is the CFPB's proposed rulemaking on mandatory arbitration. The only reason
we got that is basically due to how Elizabeth Warren started up the CFPB, by creating a solid
culture that held up over time. And he gave her that job with the hope she'd screw it up, not
succeed. She had become a huge thorn in Timothy Geithner's side and they wanted to take her down
a peg. But that plan backfired.
We wrote at GREAT length at the time how the FCIC was designed to do a crappy job and it did.
By contrast, Ronald Reagan formed the Brady Commission to investigate the 1987 crash ten days
after it happened, had it staffed with serious people, not lightweights like Phil Angildes (well
meaning but out of his depth) and a subpoena process that guaranteed that no real investigation
could or would be done. Obama reappointed Ben Bernanke, a Bush holderover who represented a continuation
of the Greenspan policies that led to the crisis and bailed out the banks, imposed no executive
or board changes, and did not pump for reform. By contrast, the Bank of England was much tougher
with banks and fought tooth and nail for a Glass-Steagall type breakup of banks (it was stymied
by the UK Treasury and got a partial win).
Gay rights? You mean Obama's weak and late endorsement of gay marriage? That's not legal action.
And the ACA was not "reform" but a program for more rent extraction by pharma and insurers.
Did you manage to miss that the biggest groups funding the Obama campaign were the financial services
industry, tech, and the medical/industrial complex?
It strengthened the position of insurers, and allows for profit levels that were higher than
the industry enjoyed before the bill was passed. Obama never tried to sell single payer (in fact,
his operatives targeted groups that advocated it), and was never serious about a public option.
He took that off the table and got no concession from the other side. You never give a free concession
in bargaining, ever. He just didn't want people talking about it any more.
The ACA has harmed a lot of people. Everyone I know who has to get a policy under the ACA is
worse off. It is a nightmare for self employed people and people with erratic incomes. The only
real benefit has been Medicaid expansion. And the ACA is going into a death spiral anyhow.
You really need to get out and deal with facts, not Democratic party/Administration PR.
More generally, you are selling the line "Obama was constrained." Bollocks. Obama has governed
center right because he has a center right world view. Presidents have enormous bully pulpits.
They can move the Overton window if they choose to. He didn't make an effort because that is what
he believes. I saw that with his disappointing first inauguration speech. He has even failed to
do things that were entirely within his power, like his promised "first action" of his Administration
of closing Gitmo.
The success of the Sanders campaign, despite the MSM efforts to first ignore it and then ridicule
it, shows how strong public support is for true progressive positions. If the Administration had
gone in that direction, it would have had public opinion behind it and the media would have fallen
in line.
Thank you for saying the obvious. And thank you for the Politico article which formulated my
view as well and I am easily in the 1%, white, over educated and travelled, male and in the sixth
decade. And I have mailed in my vote for Bernie. However in the cafeteria today one of the workers
was talking about how he thought Bernie would kill in in CA and I reminded him he needed to vote
since he was for him and his comment scared me…….He said he would vote for Bernie in the general
but that he was registered as an independent because he does not believe in any of the parties
and that he could not vote for Bernie……..but he said it did not matter…..unfortunately our precariate
is not necessarily fully aware of the hoops required to vote…..and I am certain he is not alone…..there
are many that want Bernie but just don't have it together to be able to vote for him.
Print this out and put it on the fridge, if you have a fridge.
(I'd also add that prosecuting banksters for accounting control fraud was under Obama's control
at Justice, and would have been wildly popular across the political spectrum. Instead we got "I
stand between you and the pitchforks."
Waldenpond
Your back on memeorandum….which is pro-Clinton, ignore/excoriate Sanders today (well, most
days)
I did not read any of them, just the highlight that pops up….
LGM… the people you know are 'dumb'
DeLong is sorry he ever linked to you….
Echidne of the Snakes… rotting, stinking something or other and your commenters are not representative
of the D party.
Steve in Dallas
Yikes… "Barack Obama, a transformational figure, has moved the US back to the left –
as much as possible"???
At 45yo in late 2007 I was a "political naif"… still trusting the mainstream media. However,
the Murdoch/FOX takeover of the WSJ pushed me to the internet… to follow the 'big crash'. Independent
media sites like NakedCapitalism were so obviously and infinitely better to anything in the MSM
I quickly was begging family/friends/everybody… "Please turn off the MSM. I learned more in one
month reading the IM than I learned reading the WSJ daily for 20 years! The MSM is total garbage
and totally corrupt"… BOYCOTT the MSM.
Regarding Obama? All through 2008 I followed the IM election coverage, listened to his and
Michael's campaign speeches. The message was clear… Obama was going to stop the out-of-control
criminal banksters and Wall Streeters… AND stop the crazed out-of-control war criminals… MUCH
more than Hillary! However, come 2009 it was immediately obvious Obama was a complete and
total fraud. He immediately surrounded himself with the exact same economic and war criminals
from the Clinton and Bush administrations. With the help of the IM, by mid-2009 I fully understood
that Obama was a continuation of Bush, and Bush was a continuation of Clinton.
Like Clinton and Bush, Obama has done nothing but aggressively push this country, and the
world, to the FAR right… by embracing a Global Corporate/Mafia/Neoliberal/Neocon 'New World Order'
that exclusively privileges the 5% capitalist class over the 95% working class.
1) You admit "Bill Clinton took the Democratic Party in a neoliberal direction"… but don't
see that Obama did the exact same thing? How is that possible?
2) Even more audaciously disingenuous… "Clinton – pushed by progressive supporters – would
continue that transformation". Bill's a neolib and Hillary is not? How is that possible?
3) Reagan-Bush-Clinton-Bush-Obama were all consistent at creating your list of problems… "social
justice issues, living wages, reversal of supply-side economic policy, protecting Social Security
and other government agencies from privatization, and ending the Citizens United campaign finance
regime… Supreme Court justice… Senate to provide its advice and consent"… and Hillary is here
to fix those problems?
4) To me your post sounds like just another TINA (there is no alternative) threat from the
5% telling the working class 95% slobs to back down and just take what they're given.
I'm totally 100% with Yves' description of NC readers… NO WAY, NEVER EVER KILLERY.
"... He is keen to implement trade deals that would be huge wins for multinationals at the expense
of national sovereignty, including the ability of the US to regulate product safety, financial services,
and the environment. ..."
"... His Presidency has seen profit share of GDP rise to record levels, and a "recovery" where the
1% gained at the expense of everyone else. ..."
"... Obama implemented health care "reforms" that were written by a health care industry lobbyist
and have further enriched Big Pharma and health insurers. ..."
"... He made promises to raise the minimum wage that he failed to act on. ..."
"... His Supreme Court picks were centrist at best. ..."
"... His Department of Justice has been soft on anti-trust, soft on elite white collar crime. ..."
"... He's routinely used the Republicans as an excuse to do what he wanted, which was to govern
center-right. ..."
"... He'd regularly concede 75% of what they asked for as his opening gambit. And then he'd move
further right to get bills passed. ..."
Huh? Obama has not moved the US to the left. He had the opportunity to come down hard on Wall
Street and didn't. He even engineered a second huge bailout for Wall Street, in the form of the
"get out of liability almost free" card of the 2012 National Mortgage Settlement.
He is keen to implement trade deals that would be huge wins for multinationals at the expense
of national sovereignty, including the ability of the US to regulate product safety, financial
services, and the environment.
His Presidency has seen profit share of GDP rise to record levels, and a "recovery" where
the 1% gained at the expense of everyone else.
Google "Jane Hamsher" and "veal pen". Obama from the very start of his presidency targeted
well funded leftist groups and got them defunded, systematically.
Obama implemented health care "reforms" that were written by a health care industry
lobbyist and have further enriched Big Pharma and health insurers.
He made promises to raise the minimum wage that he failed to act on.
His Supreme Court picks were centrist at best.
His Department of Justice has been soft on anti-trust, soft on elite white collar crime.
He's routinely used the Republicans as an excuse to do what he wanted, which was to
govern center-right.
He'd regularly concede 75% of what they asked for as his opening gambit. And then he'd
move further right to get bills passed.
"... "promoting Wahhabism, the radical form of Sunni Islam that inspired the 9/11 hijackers and that now inflames the Islamic State." ..."
"... "Saudi Arabia has frustrated American policy makers for years," ..."
"... In particular, the august US "newspaper of record", which can be taken as a barometer of official Washington thinking, accused Saudi Arabia and the other Persian Gulf monarchies of turning the Balkan country of Kosovo into a failed state. This was because the Saudis have sponsored "extremist clerics" who are "fostering violent jihad", thereby making it a "fertile ground for recruitment to radical ideology". ..."
"... "free riders" ..."
"... As for claims that the Saudis and other Persian Gulf states are sponsoring Islamic extremism, this conveniently obscures US covert policy since the 1970s and 80s in Afghanistan, when American planners like Zbigniew Brzezinski conceived of al Qaeda terrorist proxies to fight against the Soviet Union. ..."
"... The question is: how much can the strategic alliance between the US and its Saudi partner bear – before a straw breaks the camel's back? ..."
For months now, US-Saudi relations have become increasingly strained. The latest American aggravation
is blaming its Arab ally for turning Kosovo into an "extremist breeding ground". In an
article by the New York Times' editorial board last week, entitled 'The World Reaps What
the Saudis Sow' , the leading US publication castigated the Saudi rulers for "promoting
Wahhabism, the radical form of Sunni Islam that inspired the 9/11 hijackers and that now inflames
the Islamic State."
It was an astounding broadside of condemnation, articulated with palpable contempt towards the
Saudi rulers. "Saudi Arabia has frustrated American policy makers for years," the editorial
bitterly lamented.
In particular, the august US "newspaper of record", which can be taken as a barometer of official
Washington thinking, accused Saudi Arabia and the other Persian Gulf monarchies of turning the Balkan
country of Kosovo into a failed state. This was because the Saudis have sponsored "extremist clerics"
who are "fostering violent jihad", thereby making it a "fertile ground for recruitment to radical
ideology".
That Kosovo has become a hotbed of Islamic radicalism and a source of young militants going to
Syria and Iraq to join the ranks of the Islamic State and other terrorist groups is not in dispute.
Nor is it in dispute that the Saudis and other Gulf Arab states have pumped millions of dollars
into the Balkan territory to promote their version of Islamic fundamentalism – Wahhabism – which
is correlated with extremist groups.
... ... ...
US President Barack Obama riled the already-irked Saudi rulers when he referred to them as
"free riders" in a high-profile
interview published in April, suggesting that the oil-rich kingdom was overly reliant on American
military power. In the same interview, Obama also blamed Saudi Arabia for destabilizing Iraq, Syria
and Yemen.
The Saudis reacted furiously to Obama's claims. The White House then tried to back-pedal on the
president's criticisms, but it was noticeable that when Obama flew to Saudi Arabia for a summit with
Persian Gulf leaders later that month, he
received a chilly reception.
Since then, relations have only become even more frigid. The passage of a bill through Congress
which would permit American citizens to sue the Saudi state over alleged terrorism damages from the
9/11 events has provoked the Saudi rulers to warn that they will retaliate by selling off US Treasury
holdings.
Then there are strident calls by US politicians and media pundits for the declassification of
28 pages in a 2002 congressional report into 9/11, which reputedly indicate Saudi state involvement
in financially supporting the alleged hijackers of the civilian airliners that crashed into public
buildings in September 2001.
President Obama has said that he will veto the controversial legislation and publication of classified
information. Nevertheless, the Saudi rulers are incensed by the moves, which they see as treacherous
backstabbing by their American ally. An alliance that stretches back seven decades, stemming from
FDR and the first Saudi king Ibn Saud.
As American writer Paul Craig Roberts has
pointed out,
the latest twists in the 9/11 controversy appear to be efforts by the US "deep state" to
make the Saudis a convenient fall guy.
The same goes for Obama accusing Saudi Arabia for destabilizing Iraq, Syria and Yemen. Yes, sure,
the Saudis are involved in fomenting violence and sectarianism in these countries and elsewhere.
But, again, the bigger culprit is Washington for authoring the overarching agenda of regime change
in the Middle East.
As for claims that the Saudis and other Persian Gulf states are sponsoring Islamic extremism,
this conveniently obscures US covert policy since the 1970s and 80s in Afghanistan, when American
planners like Zbigniew Brzezinski conceived of al Qaeda terrorist proxies to fight against the Soviet
Union.
Blaming the Saudis over the failed state of Kosovo is but the latest in a long list of scapegoating
by Washington. No wonder the Saudis are livid at this American maneuver to dish the dirt. Washington
is setting the Saudi rulers up to take the rap for a myriad of evils that arguably it has much more
responsibility for.
The question is: how much can the strategic alliance between the US and its Saudi partner
bear – before a straw breaks the camel's back?
Peruse, if you will,
this sabre-rattling pile of poop . Coming on the heels of recent articles which warn that
the west sees a nuclear war as both winnable and possible , even probable, and the conviction
that a new western strategy is
the attempt to initiate a Kremlin palace coup by Russian nationalist hardliners fed up with Putin's
squishiness because he will not respond more aggressively to NATO provocations on Russia's doorstep,
it's hard not to conclude that the west has lost its mind. If the fear of a planet-devastating nuclear
war – in which the two major world nuclear powers pull out all the stops in an unrestricted attempt
to annihilate one another – no longer holds our behaviors in check…what's scarier than that?
We seriously need to persuade our leaders, in the strongest terms, that they cannot talk smack
like that. It might seem funny to you to hear a senior government official from the country that
fabricated a case for
war so it could destroy its old enemy, Saddam Hussein, and lay waste to his country and people,
prattling on about 'the rules-based international order', just as if the United States recognizes
any limitations on its application of raw power, anywhere on the globe, in its own interests. It's
quite true that whenever the USA wants to start a war with someone, it first makes out a case that
this is a situation in which it must act. And even its critics would have to acknowledge that it
is damned good at this sort of fakery, and has come a long way since one of its premiere PR firms
– Hill & Knowlton – coached
the daughter of the Kuwaiti Ambassador to the United States through her performance as a make-believe
Kuwaiti nurse devastated by Saddam's forces' make-believe plundering of a Kuwaiti hospital, something
which did not happen. It did, however, strike precisely the right responsive chord in public anger
and disgust to kick off Gulf War I. Both wars against Iraq got off the ground on entirely fabricated
scenarios calculated to get the rubes all in a lather to do the right thing. To hear a self-righteous
assrocket like Ashton Carter maunder on about the rules-based international order, considering the
United States encouraged the military campaign by the Ukrainian government to kill its own citizens
in a blatant violation of the very core principles of the imaginary rules-based international order…why,
it's a little like listening to Imelda Marcos teaching a seminar on how to take care of your shoes
so they'll last a long time and you won't have to buy more. I have to say, it just… it makes me mad.
What has really brought us to this point in the history of the Big Blue Marble is that despite
the progress we've made together since the end of the Cold War, the indispensable and exceptional
nation has in recent years tried by various means to overthrow the government of Russia, without
success. It has tried incentivizing and supporting opposition movements, and got most of its NGO's
kicked out of the country for its pains. It has tried sexual politics, hoping to mobilize the world's
homosexuals against 'Putin's draconian anti-gay laws', only to have the effort fall flat. It has
tried open economic warfare, which worked just long enough for
President Obama to take credit for it , then Russian counter-sanctions
made European businesses wish they had never heard of President Obama . Shortly after that, Russia
began to
muscle in on US agricultural markets ; a startlingly lifelike performance for a dying country.
It looks like everything that has been tried in the effort to send Russia down for a dirtnap has
failed. What's left? They're running out of war-alternative regime-change efforts.
And what has made Washington suddenly so cocky with the nuclear stick? Could it be that its European-based
missile defense system
has just gone live ? After all Obama's waffling, after his backing away from the missile defense
the hawks wanted, in the winding-down days of his presidency he re-committed to it, and the site
in Romania has started up, with great fanfare. Washington continues to insist, tongue in cheek, that
the system is not and cannot be targeted against Russia's nuclear deterrent, but for what other purpose
could it be there? The rogue-missiles-from-Iran canard is pretty much played out. It seems pretty
clear that Washington figures its interceptors (the Standard series SM3) give it a potential first-strike
capability, which would – in theory – see Washington's unalerted launch taking out most of Russia's
ICBM's in their silos, and the forward-based interceptors taking out the few missiles that avoided
Washington's hammer-blow. If they don't believe that, why the sudden nuclear-weapons nose-thumbing?
If they do believe that, it's a big mistake. First of all, where the USA relies on a nuclear triad
deterrent – land-based, air-deployable and seaborne nuclear missiles – Russia adds a fourth leg;
mobile Transporter/Erector/Launcher (TEL) vehicles which have a demonstrated off-road capability,
so that they could be most anywhere. The USA could not be sure of hitting all Russia's land-based
missiles before launch. Then there is the sea-based component, in SSBN's, ballistic-missile submarines.
The BOREI Class carries the Bulava missile. Each of the 20 missiles can carry up to 10 MIRV warheads
of 150 kilotons yield. The USA is
already worried that it is falling behind Russia and China in submarine capability. Finally,
Russia has the 'dead hand' system, which is an automatic program that will launch all undestroyed
fixed-site missiles even if everyone in Russia is dead.
... ... ...
This is an existential battle for Russia. No amount of conciliatory gestures will buy it peace, and
the United States is determined to push it off the edge of the world. With NATO surrounding it, even
if it disbanded its military and plowed all its croplands into flowerbeds, the west would still pretend
to see it as a threat, and would foment internal discord until it broke apart. Russia's leaders know
this. Its people know this. Strutting up and down the border and waving the NATO flag is not going
to make Russia get scared about 'consequences', and kneel in the dirt. NATO's fundamental problem
is that it understands neither the Russian character or the true circumstances in the country, preferring
to rely on rosy estimates presented by its think tanks.
The biggest 'consequence' of this dick-waving and posturing is that we are back where we were
in 1947.
Mark, a very timely and well-written post! The red hot approaching white hot rhetoric is unnerving
to the sane. Yet, there is virtually no chance of a successful US first strike for the reasons
you mentioned. If some breakthrough in ABM technology were to occur that could be quickly retrofit
to existing installations then a strategic imbalance could occur. I suppose Russia must assume
that is the US thinking so such a worst-case scenarios needs to be part of their strategic planning.
We had Star Wars back in the 80's designed to render Soviet missiles useless. Yet any competent
scientist or engineer could determine that it was ALL BS. A favorite story was that a scientist
indicated an anti-missile laser system they were working on had achieve 10 to the 7th power output
(don't remember the units) but they needed to reach 10 to the 14th power output. An eager politician
reported to the administration that all they needed was TWO of the lasers to shoot down Soviet
missiles.
So, my take is that the US rhetoric is based on two possibilities – one that you mentioned
is that everything else has failed so why not give war a chance. The Russians, being substantially
saner that the West, and knowing the horrors of war, could back down in deference to the survival
of humanity. The other ploy could be to induce Russia into another arms race to bankrupt their
economy. This later strategy, if it is the case, would have been formulated from the widely mistaken
belief that the 80's Star Wars eventually forced the collapse of the Soviet Union. That is the
danger of using sustained propaganda indiscriminately, your own side may end up believing it.
One last thought is that no one foresaw the collapse of the Soviet Union. By poking around
enough, perhaps the West thinks something can trigger a similar cascade of events resulting in
the collapse of Russia. Its sort of magical thinking without basis in reality but its good enough
for politicians and think tanks. Just keep Gorbachev out of Russia:)
Your warning about how the West, having given up on a liberal revolution, would now like a
nationalistic coup in Russia was spot on. Nothing could be worse for Russia than engaging in a
tit-for-tat battle with the West. The Russian strategy seems to be working quite nicely as its
economy adjusts to life without the West, it outsmarts the Empire at every turn and the Eurasian
Union proceeds.
…everything else has failed so why not give war a chance
####
John Lennon would have wept. Genius PO! Genius!
It looks like we all agree that the US is at loose ends. So far all its plans have come to
naught, so trying a little bit of everything in the hope that something magical will happen (as
noted), is a massive indictment on US governmental institutions. Damned stubborn Russians.
"... The basic foreign policy here is one of liberal hegemony-and it has two dimensions to it. The first is that we're bent on militarily dominating the entire globe-there's no place on the planet that doesn't matter to the indispensable nation, we care about every nook and cranny of the planet and we're interested in being militarily dominate here, there, and everywhere. That's the first dimension. The second dimension is we're deeply committed to transforming the world-we're deeply committed to making everybody look like us. ..."
"... Without a strategic rethink in U.S.-Russian relations, Mearsheimer warned that Russian paranoia and sense of vulnerability could ignite conflict. When asked about the biggest foreign policy mistake of the last 25 years, Mearsheimer first said Iraq, and then added the crisis in Ukraine and the resulting destabilization of U.S.-Russian relations: "If you take a country like Russia, that has a sense of vulnerability, and you push them towards the edge, you get in their face, you're asking for trouble." ..."
"CKI Vice President William Ruger began by posing the question: "Has there been a coherent theme
to U.S. foreign policy over the last 25 years?" In response, Mearsheimer dove into a description
of liberal hegemony over the last two decades, which essentially amounts to the U.S. being involved
everywhere to avoid a problem popping up anywhere. He argued that the U.S. undertook this commitment
to direct globalization and proceeded to muck up the Middle East and Europe. To most people, this
sounds a lot like a vestige of post-Cold War triumphalism:
The basic foreign policy here is one of liberal hegemony-and it has two dimensions to it. The
first is that we're bent on militarily dominating the entire globe-there's no place on the planet
that doesn't matter to the indispensable nation, we care about every nook and cranny of the planet
and we're interested in being militarily dominate here, there, and everywhere. That's the first dimension.
The second dimension is we're deeply committed to transforming the world-we're deeply committed to
making everybody look like us.
... ... ...
Without a strategic rethink in U.S.-Russian relations, Mearsheimer warned that Russian paranoia
and sense of vulnerability could ignite conflict. When asked about the biggest foreign policy mistake
of the last 25 years, Mearsheimer first said Iraq, and then added the crisis in Ukraine and the resulting
destabilization of U.S.-Russian relations: "If you take a country like Russia, that has a sense of
vulnerability, and you push them towards the edge, you get in their face, you're asking for trouble."
Alleged peace-maker John Kerry threatened to wage war-without-end
on Syria - if the Middle East country does accept the US demand for regime change.
That's hardly the language of a supposed bona fide diplomat who presents an image to the world as
a politician concerned to bring about an end to the
five-year Syrian conflict.
The US Secretary of State repeatedly sounds anxious to alleviate the appalling suffering of the Syrian
nation, where over the past five years some 400,000 people have been killed and millions displaced
as refugees.
Anyone who has not been brainwashed by Western media propaganda knows full well that the suffering
of Syria has been caused by Washington and its allies sponsoring a covert war for regime change in
that country.
Kerry was speaking during another round of failed negotiations - this time in Vienna - along with
other leaders from the 17-nation International Syria Support Group that includes Russia, as well
as the United Nations.
The "support group" is a disgustingly erroneous name, given that certain
members of this entity - primarily the US, Saudi Arabia and Turkey - have done everything in their
power to sponsor a proxy terrorist war on Syria. If the truth were not so abject, it would be laughable.
In a Voice of America
report headlined "US still has leverage in Syria," Kerry is quoted thus: "He said the greatest
leverage [on Syria] was the fact that [President] Assad and his backers would never be able to end
the war in Syria if they declined to negotiate a political settlement."
In Kerry's Footsteps: What Saudi 'Plan B' Actually Means for Syria and Iran Consider the pernicious
import of that for a moment. In other words, America's top "diplomat" is laying down a criminal ultimatum
to the sovereign state of Syria and its elected government of President Bashar al-Assad. Kerry is
saying in no uncertain terms that unless the Syrian authorities do not accept Washington's demand
for regime change, then the country is facing never-ending war.
Of course, being a weasel-worded diplomat, Kerry does not use the illegal term "regime change".
He instead talks about "political transition". And he has set a date in August for this "transition"
to take place. But what Kerry's euphemistic jargon boils down to is this: the Syrian president and
his administration must vacate government - or else face more violence and destruction.
This is the political objective that Washington and its allies in NATO, Saudi Arabia and Turkey
have wanted all along. They want what is an independent, anti-imperialist Syrian government to give
way to some composite regime that would be a puppet for Washington's geopolitical interests in the
oil-rich, strategically vital Middle East region.
Any replacement regime would spurn its erstwhile allies of Russia, Iran and Lebanon's Hezbollah
resistance movement to become an American vassal.
In reality, the supposed pro-democracy change that Washington allegedly
wants to install in Syria would be dominated by a repressive, fundamentalist regime that would betray
the interests of the Syrian people. We can count on this outcome because the proxies who are waging
Washington's covert war are dominated by extremists fully aligned with their despotic sponsors in
Saudi Arabia and Turkey.
Kerry's apparent confidence in predicting that Syria faces a war of attrition if it does capitulate
is a tacit admission by Washington that it controls the illegally armed factions in Syria.
The United States may officially proscribe terror groups like al Qaeda-linked Jabhat al Nusra
and the so-called Islamic State (also known as Daesh). The US pays lip service to "defeating terrorism".
But anyone with an informed understanding of what is really happening in
Syria and other countries subjected to US-led regime change knows that Washington has orchestrated
these same terror groups for its criminal political objectives.
This is corroborated by the fact that Washington refuses to coordinate its (ineffectual) bombing
campaign with Russia to eliminate the terror groups. It is corroborated by the fact that Washington
and its allies point-blank refuse Russia's proposals at the UN Security Council to designate other
known terror outfits - Jaysh al-Islam and Ahrar al-Shams - as terrorist.
Jaysh al-Islam and Ahrar al-Shams are every bit as vile and barbaric as the other al Qaeda-affiliated
franchises. They all espouse the same twisted death-cult ideology; fight alongside each others (when
they are not feuding, that is, over war spoils); and ultimately they all share the same sponsors
and American-supplied weaponry.
'Fair Game'? What Kerry's 'Absolute Lines' in Syria Really Mean It is openly admitted that America's
allies Saudi Arabia and Turkey, as well as Qatar, bankroll Jaysh al-Islam and Ahrar al-Shams and
that this nexus serves as a conduit for American weapons from the Central Intelligence Agency.
Why else would John Kerry
begin his week of "diplomacy" in Vienna by first making an urgent visit to Saudi King Salman last
weekend. Kerry was reportedly appealing to the 9/11-sponsoring Saudi regime to support his diplomatic
push in Vienna. The Western media "reported" Kerry's Saudi visit as if it were a benign mission,
as they usually do. Whenever it should be obvious that what he was really doing was trying to get
the Saudis to ease off on the terror war in Syria.
Washington is currently trying to wrangle regime change in Syria through a political track. That
is a world of difference from gullible Western media projections of Kerry's pretensions of "negotiating
peace".
Yet all the while the US and the Saudis are reserving the right to use "Plan B" if the political
track should not materialize in regime change.
That is what Kerry really means when he said in Vienna that "Assad and his
backers would never be able to end the war in Syria if they declined to negotiate a political settlement."
Washington's "leverage" in Syria is due to the simple, diabolical fact that it and its despotic
allies ultimately can turn on and off the violence when it is expedient for their interests. And
that violence relies on the deployment of known terrorist organizations, including the ones that
Washington's double-think refuses to recognize as "terrorist".
So let's put this into stark perspective. Despite his Orwellian title of diplomat and peace-maker,
US Secretary of State John Kerry is the public face of a terrorist enterprise.
What other world power gives itself the right to threaten nations with "regime
change or war"? And yet this same nation considers itself a paragon of democracy, human rights and
law-abiding probity.
The United States of America is a rogue regime on a criminal scale that exceeds the very worst
in history.
As a parting footnote, John Kerry is a decorated American "war hero". He served four months as
a navy officer during the US genocidal war on Vietnam during the late 1960s. Kerry received a bunch
of medals for his "actions", which according to reliable accounts from veterans on his river-boat
patrols, involved shooting fleeing Vietnamese peasants in the back.
This is the same Kerry who is now purporting to bring peace to Syria.
Like everything that Washington says, it is full of lies and deception. The abiding lesson: don't
turn your back on Washington and its terrorist-sponsoring, war-mongering "diplomats".
The views expressed in this article are solely those of the author and do notnecessarily reflect
the official position of Sputnik.
President of Venezuela Nicolas Maduro
said that the United States is doing everything possible to keep the
oil market
from stabilizing.
The US administration takes every
effort to counter OPEC's attempts to stabilize oil prices, he said.
"You can't imagine all the pressure
that is coming from Washington to ensure the failure of the efforts we
have made during the last year to create a common strategy among OPEC
and non-OPEC producers to stabilize the market and prices," Maduro
said, speaking Tuesday in his own TV show.
He also said that the US economic war
against Russia and Venezuela affects the United States as well.
"These are almost war-like
pressure on governments, on heads of state. The US has a "fatal
obsession" with Russia, OPEC and Venezuela's leftist government,"
Maduro added.
Many specialists are convinced that the
ongoing decline in oil prices is intentional. However, according to
Maduro, the United States is trying to exhaust Russia. The tactics of
dumping oil hits the "
shale
revolution
" the US and Canada hardest. Oil companies in these
countries working to their own detriment.
A barrel of shale oil costs $32. A
barrel of oil produced on Russian old fields costs $28, ($16 at new
ones). The cost of Venezuelan oil makes up about $9.
The US aims to raise the degree of
public discontent in Russia, before the US market collapses. In
Russia, low oil prices, due to a large tax component, equally affect
the budget and ordinary consumers.
Kenneth T. Tellis
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03:39 15 апреля
The days of U.S. domination in Latin America are long gone. The very assumption
that assassinating Hugo Chaves Frias, would give the U.S. the upper hand was a
serious mistake, beause Venezuelans are holding steadfast to the Bolivarian
Revolucion ofHugo Chvas and will coninue on tht path till sll their goals are
achieved. Hasta Victoria Siempre!Butto confuse Nicolas Maduro the Venezuelan
President with SaddamHussein shows how the addled minds of America's stooges cannot
think out of the box. But Ghizlane Kamalova is badly in need of psychiatric help.
Ghizlane Kamalova
в
21:33 14 апреля
Venezuela has one of the worst performing economies in the world. Oh, and
Maduro looks like a younger Saddam Hussein!
Hillarious Clinton
в
00:38 14 апреля
I've lived in Pacific Northwest for 22 years,with some brief stops for few
months in Boston,New York,
washington,D.C.,Philadelphia,Chicago,Cleveland,Minneapolis,san Diego,L.A.,
and 3 times Alaska...I've seen and experienced more than some idiots here
can comment,on that Great "rich" Satan,where are the obese soulless mutants
indeed,very poor in their hearts and minds! I prefer UK 100 times as better
country than that Great Satan,where people associate only in the shopping
malls!! A such idiots like Banan sucker,or that japanese radioactive mutant
Takayama and Chernobyl Mishka cannot fool me,nor others!!!
Bob Brunner
в
19:27 13 апреля
So, OPEC was formed to keep oil prices artifically high for the
benefit of themselves, and at a great cost to the US citizens. High
oil prices also negatively affected develoing countries and the
poor. Governments started to depend on oil money instead of
productivity. Now, US producers (not the government) come up with
a way to get more oil, driving the price of oil down to a more
market-based level, leaving OPEC out in the cold. Boo Hoo.
What you are calling an economic war on Venezuala and Russia is
just a lesson in supply and demand economics. Grow up and start
producing stuff on your own.
Google_103325543317843925342
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17:12 13
апреля
From retired in midAmerica. People should realize the U.S. (and probably EU,
europe, et al) is beginning to collapse. Economy. US an empiire without a
manufacturing base (all "outsourced"), produces nothing but military arms
trying to force other countries to buy them; fatal debt to GDP ratio;
imports everything, much from China; exports vertually nothing. this once
prosperous city is becoming a ghost town of closed stores, businesses;
abandoned homes of those that lost jobs. Indeedd the great US manufacturing
city Detroit is a total ghost town. We now see street beggars, beg for food.
US massive military it can't afford , the unemployed unemployable uneducated
warehoused inhundreds of foreign bases. Like collapse of Rome, returning
Legions promised retirement land to farm but found all land owned by the
wealthy and farmed by slaves. When Alaric kicked down gates of Rome 410AD
found a mostly deserted pestulence ridden city. The U.S. is now a rabid
dying mad dog, so will it just crumble away a Rome, or start WW-III ? The
latter seems already underway does it not.
Hillarious Clinton
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00:32 14 апреля
I've lived in that "rich"zionist country,Seattle,WA,over 22 years,and I'm
very happy that I'm out of that boxed in country where the mutants barely
knows about Canada,only 80 to the north...An idiots who plays sports no
one in the world plays,and then these obese mutants shouts,"we are the
world champs"! What you call "rich",I call poverty!!! And
furthermore,they have powerty in their hearts and minds!
Rita Szentendrey
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16:56 13 апреля
In fact is very true. The ENEMIES of RUSSIA are send out to the sides
similar to PRAVDA not necessary Russian site by their HANDLERS to CAUSE
CONFUSION for those who are NOT very well informed. This is "OK" because ARE
very well "informed" people and they will CORECT all the vile rotten NAZIS
and FASCISTS who do constantly ATTACK all
================================================================= those
NATIONS who REFUSE to dance on their DEADLY TUNES -- The world is AWAKENED
already what this rotten GREEDY maggots did cooked for their ENSLAVEMENT and
SUBJUGATION -- Their LIES are going only for a TIME span -- Then the TRUST in
them is CRUMBLING with a HUGE SPEED -- This is why HONESTY is PRICELESS --
NOBODY will never ever respect GREEDY KILLERS and LIARS --
Yoshihiro Takayama
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15:20 13 апреля
I'd say the editorial staff of Pravda is very obsessed by the United States.
Very low self-esteem grows and harvests anger and hatred. We pity Russians.
The problem is that Iraq government has no money to pay oil companies. So they are running on
fumes.
Notable quotes:
"... I think the title of the article is misleading. A sharp decrease in investments does not mean a peak in Iraqi oil output. It will result in a slower growth in production. Iraqi government's goal of 6 mb/d by 2020 is obviously unrealistic. But Iraq still can increase output from the current 4.3 mb/d to more than 5 mb/d in 2020. ..."
Crude output in Iraq, OPEC's second-largest producer, has probably peaked and is likely
to fall short of the country's target over the next two years, according to an official with Lukoil
PJSC, operator of one of the country's biggest fields.
I think the title of the article is misleading. A sharp decrease in investments does not mean
a peak in Iraqi oil output. It will result in a slower growth in production. Iraqi government's
goal of 6 mb/d by 2020 is obviously unrealistic. But Iraq still can increase output from the current
4.3 mb/d to more than 5 mb/d in 2020.
Isis claims responsibility for deadly suicide attack on Baghdad gas plant
Militants have launched a suicide attack on a natural gas plant near the Iraqi capital Baghdad,
killing at least 11 people and injuring a dozen more.
During the assault, which extremist militant group Isis said it had carried out, a car was
blown up at the entrance to the facility approximately 20km north of Baghdad.
Six people then entered the site with explosive vests and fought security officers, the
Reuters news agency reported. Three gas storage tanks were set on fire during the fighting.
Suppose they had hauled a small artillery piece within range, meaning anywhere out to fifteen
or twenty kilometers, and set up those same suicide fighters to defend the gun. My guess is they
could have burned everything that WOULD burn, and shot the rest up pretty good.
Such a gun could be concealed in a load of building material or even inside a tanker truck.
"... After 25 years of not seeming to car at all, now the US wants to make the problem worse by polishing apples for Erdogan for some reason I really cannot fathom. Cui bono indeed. ..."
"... Looks pretty clear cut to me. Turkey is an ally. Russia most definitely not. Turkey could use somewhere to store all that surplus ME oil they've been buying. The USA(Nuland) can even kick in a few bucks for infrastructure. It all makes sense. Win-Win all around. ..."
"... That Nuland is still around is all that I have to know about HRClinton's vaunted foreign-policy experience. That Nuland is still around is all that I have to know about Obama, American exceptionalism, and this supposedly scandal-free administration. And the Democratic elites want to get all snotty about Trump? ..."
"... I am really really worried about how aggressive our foreign policy is, and this remarkable essay shows how dangerous our policy with respect to Russia can be. ..."
"... Where Neocons like Nuland go, death and destruction follow in their wake. Look at Ukraine. ..."
"... Instead we might already be into a countdown on a shooting war with Russia. This wouldn't just rally all Americans to the imperial cause, it was also force President Trump to rely on his nationalistic traits. ..."
Yves here. We were one of the few sites to follow the brutal handling of the Cyprus banking system
when one of its major banks got wobbly in 2013. Cyprus was
demonized as a money laundering center , when its main sin was that it served as a conduit for
inbound investment into Russia, including investment by large, well-recognized companies. The reason
for structuring investments via entities in Cyprus was that that enabled them to be subject to British
law, which investors greatly preferred to relying on Russian law and courts. Cyprus thus has a significant
amount of its economy dependent on lawyers and bankers to structure these deals. The ECB lowered
the boom and forced bail-ins, which were more severe than they needed to be by virtue of one of the
major banks being restructured in a way that led to a significant subsidy to a Greek bank that bought
some of its operations. In other words, while something may well have needed to be done with the
Cyprus banks,
the brutality of the operation was driven by geopolitics, not the professed reasons.
The geopolitical angle of the West's meddling in Cyprus a bit more obvious in this John Helmer
sighting.
By John Helmer , the
longest continuously serving foreign correspondent in Russia, and the only western journalist to
direct his own bureau independent of single national or commercial ties. Helmer has also been a professor
of political science, and an advisor to government heads in Greece, the United States, and Asia.
He is the first and only member of a US presidential administration (Jimmy Carter) to establish himself
in Russia. Originally published at Dances
with Bears
The US is intensifying the pressure on Cyprus to accept a secret NATO plan to keep Turkish forces
on the island.
Victoria Nuland, the State Department official in charge of regime change in Russia and Ukraine,
met for talks last week with the President of Cyprus, Nicos Anastasiades, and with Turkish Cypriot
figures. The State Department and US Embassy in Nicosia have kept silent on what was said. A well-informed
Cypriot source reports Nuland "was in Cyprus to pre-empt any likelihood of future deepening in relations
with Russia. Anastasiades may not want to, but he may have no other option." A second Cypriot political
source said: "[Nuland] will try to blackmail him. I'm not sure how he will react."
lyman alpha blob, May 4, 2016 at 2:21 pm
Greece isn't happy about the Turks in Cyprus, period.
I was in Greece about 25 years ago when poppy Bush was president and paid a visit. That was
the first glimpse I had of US power first hand – there were hundreds of suits talking into their
sleeves lining the major route through Athens taken by the Bush motorcade. The whole city was
essentially shut down and I couldn't believe that the US could project that kind of power in a
foreign country. Later while I was at the Thessalonike airport coincidentally at the same time
Bush was there, our flight was delayed due to a bomb threat presumably directed at Bush. Never
did find out if it was a real bomb or not.
Don't remember the ostensible reason for the Bush visit to Greece but I do remember the Greeks
wanting the question Bush about the Turks occupying Cyprus and if the US would help end it. I
remember thinking Bush probably doesn't even know where Cyprus is but even if he did, the US wasn't
interested and weren't going to do a damn thing about it.
After 25 years of not seeming to car at all, now the US wants to make the problem worse
by polishing apples for Erdogan for some reason I really cannot fathom. Cui bono indeed.
craazyboy, May 4, 2016 at 10:39 am
Looks pretty clear cut to me. Turkey is an ally. Russia most definitely not. Turkey could
use somewhere to store all that surplus ME oil they've been buying. The USA(Nuland) can even kick
in a few bucks for infrastructure. It all makes sense. Win-Win all around.
ambrit, May 4, 2016 at 11:26 am
Poor Cyprus. We might as well revive the Crusader Kingdom of Cyprus. Are there any Lusignans
alive today?
That Nuland is still around is all that I have to know about HRClinton's vaunted foreign-policy
experience. That Nuland is still around is all that I have to know about Obama, American exceptionalism,
and this supposedly scandal-free administration. And the Democratic elites want to get all snotty
about Trump?
After the streaming of the video-assassination of Osama bin Laden of the last few days, and
after this maneuver, which is assassination of a small and vulnerable state, I respect George
Orwell even more as a voice of prophecy.
With Nuland, the ultimate neocon, we get WWIII in a Clinton Presidency. The key to Trump will
be his proposed cabinet, VP, advisors etc. If nary a dual citizen neocon or a Goldman Treasury
Secretary, we may have a chance; otherwise Trump will be outed as just another globalist stooge.
Are the oil discoveries off of Cyprus (announced in 2014) be part of the geopolitics discussed
here? Cyprus made an agreement with Greece & Egypt
according to the Guardian .
I am really really worried about how aggressive our foreign policy is, and this remarkable
essay shows how dangerous our policy with respect to Russia can be.
Resuscitating the Turkish part of Cyprus may be a great money-maker for Ms Nuland's friends.
You can wander though entire deserted towns and villages. Everyone's voted with their feet and
land can be had at a fraction of its cost in the south. It used to have the added advantage of
being immune to extradition requests (remember Polly Peck?) but I am unsure if that continues.
This looks like another aspect of Erdogan's vice-like grip on the reproductive glands of the
European Commission and ECB. It really is quite funny to see the two countries directing EU policy
these days are USA and Turkey.
I have been thinking that the NeoCon response to a Trump Presidency will be assassination.
Naturally an assassination blamed on some left wing fanatic – will the next Oswald please stand
up! Could it be, however, that the NeoCons recognize their problem isn't Trump, it's the people
supporting Trump and their anti-establishment views? In that case, the only way to whip them into
line is falling back on the most tried and true form of of social conditioning: nationalism/patriotism.
Perhaps it won't be a countdown to knock off Trump before January. Instead we might already
be into a countdown on a shooting war with Russia. This wouldn't just rally all Americans to the
imperial cause, it was also force President Trump to rely on his nationalistic traits.
I wonder if the NeoCons could be that clever. They have succeeded in running the most powerful
country in the world for 15 years in spite of countless disasters. Maybe they are clever enough
to achieve their next great misadventure, one ending in nuclear war.
"... This is an extract from 'Chaos and Caliphate: Jihadis and the West in the Struggle for the Middle East' by Patrick Cockburn, published by OR Books, price £18. The discount code readers can use for 15% off 'Chaos and Caliphate' is: INDEPENDENT ..."
I was sceptical from an early stage about the Arab Spring uprisings leading to
the replacement of authoritarian regimes by secular democracies. Optimistic forecasts
I was hearing in the first heady months of 2011 sounded suspiciously similar to
what I had heard in Kabul after the fall of the Taliban in 2001 and in Baghdad
after the overthrow of Saddam Hussein in 2003. In each of the three cases, there
was the same dangerous conviction on the part of the domestic opposition, outside
powers and the international media that all ills could be attributed to the demonic
old regime and a brave new world was being born.
This seemed very simple-minded:
I was very conscious that these police states – be they in Egypt, Libya, Tunisia,
Syria, Yemen or Bahrain – were the product as well as the exploiters of threats
to their country's independence from abroad as well as social, sectarian and ethnic
divisions at home. Journalists, who earn their bread by expressing themselves freely,
were particularly prone to believe that free expression and honest elections were
all that was needed to put things right.
Explanations of what one thought was happening in these countries were often
misinterpreted as justification for odious and discredited regimes. In Libya, where
the uprising started on 15 February 2011, I wrote about how the opposition was
wholly dependent on Nato military support and would have been rapidly defeated
by pro-Gaddafi forces without it. It followed from this that the opposition would
not have the strength to fill the inevitable political vacuum if Gaddafi was to
fall. I noted gloomily that Arab states, such as Saudi Arabia and the Gulf monarchies,
who were pressing for foreign intervention against Gaddafi, themselves held power
by methods no less repressive than the Libyan leader. It was his radicalism – muted
though this was in his later years – not his authoritarianism that made the kings
and emirs hate him.
This was an unpopular stance to take on Libya during the high tide of the Arab
Spring, when foreign governments and media alike were uncritically lauding the
opposition. The two sides in what was a genuine civil war were portrayed as white
hats and black hats; rebel claims about government atrocities were credulously
broadcast, though they frequently turned out to be concocted, while government
denials were contemptuously dismissed. Human rights organisations such as Amnesty
International and Human Rights Watch were much more thorough than the media in
checking these stories, although their detailed reports appeared long after the
news agenda had moved on.
Whatever their other failings, the rebels ran a slick and highly professional
press campaign from their headquarters in Benghazi. Spokesmen efficiently fended
off embarrassing questions and crowds waved placards bearing well-thought-out slogans
in grammatical English in front of the television cameras.
My doubts about many aspects of the Libyan uprising, as it was presented to
the world, are open to misinterpretation. There was nothing phony about people's
anger against a man and a regime that had monopolised power over them for 43 years.
As in other Arab military regimes turned police states, Gaddafi had once justified
his rule as necessary to defend Libyan national interests against foreign states
and oil companies. But as the decades passed, these justifications became excuses
for a Gaddafi family dictatorship that stifled all dissent.
Just how claustrophobic it was to be a Libyan at this time was brought home
to me by Ahmed Abdullah al-Ghadamsi, an intelligent, able and well-educated man
whom I met by accident after the fall of Tripoli and who worked for me as a guide
and assistant. He came from a family and a district in Tripoli that was always
anti-Gaddafi, and he had been on the edge of the resistance movement before we
met. He was good at talking his way through checkpoints and winning the confidence
of the suspicious militiamen who were manning them.
We shared a feeling of exhilaration now that the old regime was gone. I remember
Ahmed saying to me with amused exasperation that "books used to be more difficult
to bring into the country than weapons". Seven weeks later, he was dead. He had
felt he must play some active role in the revolution rather than just making money,
had volunteered as a fighter and was shot through the head in the last days of
the civil war.
In the early months of the uprising, a good place to judge the rebel movement
was close to the front line in the largely deserted town of Ajdabiya, two hours'
drive south of Benghazi. Here the military stalemate of sudden advances and retreats
was very visible: in the restaurant of the local hotel waiters started to ask journalists
to pay their bills before they ate. The urgency on the part of the hotel management
reflected their bitter experience of seeing journalists – their only customers
– abandon meals half-eaten and leave, bills unpaid, because of a sudden and unexpected
advance by the pro-Gaddafi forces.
On the outskirts of Ajdabiya, rebel pick-ups and trucks, with heavy machine
guns welded to the back, rushed backwards and forwards, the speed of their retreats
so swift as to endanger any camera crews or reporters standing nearby. I had an
ominous feeling, as I drove about Ajdabiya, Benghazi and the hinterland of Cyrenaica,
that all would not turn out well. "It would take a long time to reduce Libya to
the level of Somalia," I wrote on 13 April 2011, "but civil conflicts and the hatreds
they induce build up their own momentum once the shooting has begun. One of the
good things about Libya is that so many young men – unlike Afghans and Iraqis of
a similar age – do not know how to use a gun. This will not last."
Nor did it. But it was not the militarisation of Libyans that broke the stalemate
but the intervention of Nato air forces. The shape of things to come was already
becoming clear: on 22 May I described how flames were billowing up "from the hulks
of eight Libyan Navy vessels destroyed by Nato air attacks as they lay in ports
along the Libyan coast. Their destruction shows how Muammar Gaddafi is being squeezed
militarily, but also the degree to which the US, France and Britain, and not the
Libyan rebels, are now the main players in the struggle for power in Libya. Probably
Gaddafi will go down because he is too weak to withstand the forces arrayed against
him. Failure to end his regime would be too humiliating and politically damaging
for Nato after 2,700 air strikes. Once he goes, there will be a political vacuum
that the opposition will scarcely be able to fill. The fall of the regime may usher
in a new round of a long-running Libyan crisis that continues for years to come."
By August, Gaddafi had fled and I was in Tripoli touring the abandoned palaces,
villas and prisons of the ruling family that had so recently abandoned them. I
tried not to be a professional pessimist, pointing out hopefully that, unlike Iraqis
and Afghans, Libyans had a high standard of living, were well educated and were
not split by age-old ethnic and sectarian divisions. But even this upbeat summary
concluded plaintively as I added: "All the same, I wish the shooting outside my
window would stop."
It never really did stop. Tripoli was full of checkpoints that reminded me of
Lebanon during the civil war of 1975 to 1990. The arrival of the new transitional
government from Benghazi did not fill me with confidence since one of its first
measures was to announce the end of the ban on polygamy introduced by Gaddafi.
I had periodically visited Tripoli in the 1980s and 1990s and had noticed that,
as in the oil states of the Gulf, most of the work was done by migrants from poor
countries that were Libya's African neighbours. To find out what was happening
in Libya at that time, I would go for a walk in the marketplace and fall into conversation
with bored Ghanaians or Chadians, all migrants on their day off, who would tell
me more about the real state of the country than any Libyan official or Western
diplomat.
But with the fall of Gaddafi, all black faces were regarded with suspicion by
the new rulers as likely supporters of the fallen leader. They were often accused
of being "pro-Gaddafi mercenaries", interrogated, jailed and occasionally murdered.
Life for the migrant and indigenous black population was to get steadily worse
in the coming years as Libya disintegrated, and by 2015 Ethiopian and Egyptian
Christians were being executed by Islamic State's Libyan clone. Meanwhile, the
West Europeans were reaping what they had sown by destroying the Libyan state:
migrant labourers, who had once found jobs in Libyan markets and building sites,
were now risking their lives as they sailed in over-crowded and unseaworthy boats
across the Mediterranean in a desperate attempt to reach Europe.
My fears about the "Somalianisation" of Libya, first expressed in March 2011,
had turned out to be all too true. Four years later, Libya was ruled, in so far
as it was ruled at all, by two governments, one based in Tripoli and the other
in Tobruk, while real authority lay in the hands of militias that fought each other
for power and money. Demonstrators in the streets of Tripoli were shot down by
anti-aircraft machine guns whose large calibre bullets tore apart the bodies of
protesters; Tripoli International Airport was destroyed in fighting between rival
militias; torture was ubiquitous; and the country split between east and west.
For all his quirky personality cult and monopoly of power, life in Libya under
Gaddafi had not been as bad as this. The demonisation of Gaddafi had an unfortunate
effect in ensuring the opposition had no real programme other than his replacement
by themselves.
Libyans were relieved at the end of 2011 to find that they no longer had to
study the puerile nostrums of Gaddafi's Green Book – in the knowledge that if you
failed the exam devoted to this work, you had to retake the entire course. But
Libyans also found to their horror that they had lost a haphazard but functioning
state, and with it personal security in the sense of being able to walk the streets
in safety. They were now at the mercy of predatory militiamen who were paid out
of Libya's diminished oil revenues. I remember a fellow journalist upbraiding me
politely in 2011 for stressing the failings of the Libyan rebels, saying: "Let's
remember who are the good guys." A few months later, as the revolution turned sour,
good and bad in Libya were ever more difficult to tell apart.
This was a common experience in the six countries most affected by the Arab Spring.
By 2015, three of these – Libya, Syria and Yemen – were being ravaged by warfare
and two others – Egypt and Bahrain – were ruled by authoritarian governments more
brutal and dictatorial than anything that had gone before. Only in Tunisia, where
it had all started, did an elected civilian government cling on, though increasingly
destabilised by massacres of foreign tourists by Isis training camps in Libya.
The Arab Spring had turned into the age of jihad.
The article reviews briefly the theory of nationalism, and introduces (yet another)
definition of nations and nationalism. Starting from this definition of nationalism as a world
order with specific characteristics, oppositions such as core and periphery,
globalism/nationalism, and realism/idealism are formally rejected. Nationalism is considered
as a purely global structure. Within this, it is suggested, the number of states tends to fall
to an equilibrium number which is itself falling, this number of states being the current best
approximation to a single world state. Within nationalism variants are associated with
different equilibrium numbers: these variants compete. Together, as the nationalist structure,
they formally exclude other world orders. Such a structure appears to have the function of
blocking change, and it is tentatively suggested that it derives directly from an innate human
conservatism. The article attempts to show how characteristics of classic nationalism, and
more recent identity politics, are part of nationalist structures. They involve either the
exclusion of other forms of state, or of other orders of states, or the intensification of
identity as it exists.
If a world order of states is so arranged that similarity within each state is maximized,
and the number of states is minimized, then that world order is a nationalist world order, and
its components are nation states. This definition does not start from the characteristics of a
nation, as many definitions of nationalism do. It starts instead from the world order,
considering the nation only in a very abstract sense. Implicitly this definition is also a
functionalist theory of nationalism, and this is expanded later in this article. The article
closes with a more speculative section on how identity politics could replace nationalism, but
continue its function.
When our founders boldly declared America's independence to the world and our purposes to
the Almighty, they knew that America, to endure, would have to change. Not change for
change's sake, but change to preserve America's ideals - life, liberty, the pursuit of
happiness. Though we march to the music of our time, our mission is timeless.
A world of nation states is a world of states built to maintain past ideals, where change
is limited to that necessary for their survival, a world structured against 'change for the
sake of change'. Structuralism, functionalism, and voluntarism are currently taboo in the
social sciences. Yet, I think it strange to reject the clear explanations of the purpose of
nationalism, so often given by nationalists and national leaders. In practice it is often an
abdication of moral judgment on the actions of nationalists.
Before considering the relation of structure and function of nations, a brief indication
of the range of theories of nationalism. Any comprehensive review of theories of nationalism
could only be of book length (for instance
Smith, 1983). The Oxford
Reader on Nationalism (Hutchinson
and Smith, 1994) collects examples of the main theories.
It is not surprising that authors in one discipline are unfamiliar with theory in another,
or that there is overlap and duplication.
Peter Alter (1985: p. 169)
remarks that the literature can scarcely be overseen. In this fragmentation among disciplines,
a plurality of theories is at least possible. In turn, plurality of theories should give more
space for innovative theories - more than in a single recent paradigmatic discipline. (This
reverses the standard assumption, that periods of revolution in science are the periods of
innovation in science. Given fragmentation of disciplines, there might be more innovation in
'normal science' than through paradigm change.) However, in this respect nationalism theory is
a disappointment. Plurality of disciplines has not produced an equivalent plurality of theory.
Some common approaches recur across disciplines. Examples of such common features are the
tendency, to approach nationalism on a country-by-country basis, and to date it as a
phenomenon of modernity.
In any case, it is possible to give some simple (non-inclusive) categorization of theories
of nationalism:
normative theory of nationalism in political philosophy, for instance in
Walzer (1983).
theories of nationalism as political extremism. These use a definition of nationalism
common in the media: as equivalent to jingoism, ethnic hatred, expansionism, militarism, or
aggressive separatism, contrasted with constitutionalism, liberalism or patriotism (see
Connor, 1994: pp. 196 - 209).
This approach is related to 'shopping list' definitions of the extreme right (Mudde,
1996: pp. 228 - 9).
modernization theories of nationalism: these form the bulk of social science theory of
nationalism
primordialist theories, disputing the modern origin of nations
civilization theories of nationalism, often implying an ultimate global community.
Freud's (1932) comparison of
peoples with primitive organisms is a core version of such a theory of nations.
historicist theories, which take the existence of nations as given, and consider their
development (or obstacles to that development).
social-integrative theories, especially 'substitute religion' theories
state formation theories, residually explaining nationalism, usually as a product of
centralizing policy to uniformity
global system or global order theories, which do not usually consider internal
characteristics of nation states. Theory of state formation through war combines this with
the last category (for instance,
Rasler and Thompson, 1989).
This is only one categorization, and indicative only.
James Goodman (1996), for
instance, categorizes theories of nationalism into five approaches: ethno-national,
modernization, state-centred, class-centred, and 'uneven development' theories.
The first three are in the category modernization theories, A. D. Smith is the main 'primordialist'.
Gellner's academic field was the philosophy of sociology, Anderson taught international
relations, Hobsbawm is a social historian, and Smith a sociologist (notes in
Hutchinson and Smith, 1994).
Gellner's work is the most consistently theoretical: it proposes a model of the
transformation to nation states derived from economic factors:
So the economy needs both the new type of central culture and the central state; the
culture needs the state; and the state probably needs the homogeneous branding of its flock
... (Gellner, 1983: p. 140)
Anderson does not propose a derivation of this kind, but his central thesis is that
communication and media did facilitate the emergence of nations as imagined communities. For
Anderson, only face- to-face contact can sustain community: nations are in some sense an
illusion. Both of these views date nationalism as definitively modern. A. D. Smith's central
thesis is that pre-modern equivalents of nations existed - indirectly invalidating the
modernization theories. Hobsbawm's article on invented tradition appeared earlier, but can be
read as a refutation of the pre-modern origin of national tradition. Hobsbawm gives examples
of how such tradition, even the sustaining myth of nations, can be borrowed, added to, or
simply invented. (A similar work by
Bernard Lewis (1977), did not apparently have the same impact.)
The so-called resurgence of nationalism in Eastern Europe after 1989 brought these works
to media attention, as well as academic status. (At one time I could chose between six
different courses on them, at one university.) All of them are also very readable, with much
interesting illustration from the history of nations. No more recent work has made the same
impact, and the fixation on the themes of these authors may have limited theoretical
perspectives.
Any attempt to compress these works into one paragraph is inadequate. However, one thing
is clear: the authors have not engaged in any wide speculation about hypothetical worlds of
entirely non-national states. Nations are explained in these theories, not the absence of
non-nations. Insofar as possible alternatives are considered, these are possible continuations
of the mediaeval European order.
Most nationalism theory pays little attention to nationalism as a world order. This is
surprising, since nationalists themselves so often treat it as such. Some definitions of
nationalism are entirely particularistic:
Elwert (1989: p. 37) says that
nationalists only want a nation for themselves, not others. This is untrue: nationalists have
often wanted other nations. The classic example is Mazzini, who founded or inspired not only
Young Italy, but Young Germany, Switzerland, Poland, Bohemia and Argentina among others (Mack
Smith, 1994: pp. 11-12). Mazzini's vision was global: he saw the peoples as nothing less
then the units of humanity's army:
L'Umanità è un grande esercito che move alla conquista di terre incognite, contro nemici
potenti e avveduti. I Popoli sono i diversi corpi, le divisioni di quello esercito. (Mazzini
(1860) [1953]: p. 89)
This is a metaphor, but it should emphasize the extreme universalism of nationalism.
Armies are not known for maximizing autonomy or individual will. Any listing of the ethical
claims of nationalism (the subject of a separate article) will show that nationalism can not
de derived, from Enlightenment ideas of self-determination. That was the basic thesis of
Elie Kedourie's influential
Nationalism (1960, revised 1992).
Peter Taylor (1989: p. 175)
summarizes the world as seen by nationalists, at three levels (approximately the global,
national and individual).
The world is, for them, a mosaic of nations which find harmony when all are free nation
states.
Nations themselves are natural units with a cultural homogeneity based on common
ancestry or history, each requiring its own sovereign state on its own inalienable
territory.
Individuals all belong to a nation, which requires their first loyalty, and in which
they find freedom.
This standard nationalist thought says more about nationalism than the immediate goals of
any one nationalist group. For both of these things - world view and activism - the word
'nationalism' is used. This may be confusing, but it is also misleading to split nationalism
into 'international relations' and 'internal politics', and then include secessionism in the
second category. Basque separatists in Northern Spain and South-western France want a nation
state, and are labelled nationalists: the governments of France and Spain, who have already
got a nation state, are not. There is undeniably a secessionist nationalism, with claims
against a larger state, such as those of the ETA. However, the definition at the start of this
article is intended to emphasize the global effect of such movements, and their historical
equivalence to the founders of the states they oppose. The term nationalism is used here,
deliberately, to describe both aspects of the phenomenon.
Nationalism is not a particularism. It is a universalism, a consistent vision or ideology.
Autonomy, secession, war and conquest can be compatible with a universal shared goal.
Apparently amending his earlier view of nationalism,
Peter Taylor (1995: p. 10)
described one world as 'the nemesis of interterritoriality'. However, a world of nations can
still be one world, if it is one nationalist world. The definition of nationalism used here is
intended to emphasize this universal, 'world order', aspect of nationalism. Since nations,
united nations.
The definition implies that nationalism is a substitute for a world state. If cultural
homogeneity cannot be achieved, because co-ordination over distance is not perfect, then a
strategy of co-operating local similarities is the best option. The number of cultures on
earth will be the outcome of this strategy. Later, as states form on the basis of pre-existing
ethnic or cultural groups, the number of states will also derive from this strategy. If there
are too few states, and each too large, they may become internally diverse. If there are too
many, they will differ too much among themselves. It is therefore not possible to project the
long term fall in the number of states to the point at which only one is left, as
Robert Carneiro did (1976;
see Chase- Dunn, 1990). The
trend to fewer political units seemed clear enough to Carneiro, to project a date for world
government: 2300 AD. If however, the nationalist world order is considered as a global
structure, and not seen as competing states, then there is no certainty of reaching a single
world state. If there is already such a global order, globalization does not imply the
reduction of its components to one. Instead, there is an optimum number of nation states at
any one time, within such a nationalist world order. That optimum is determined by limits of
communications, transport, and the degree of political and social organization. This number is
falling, but constraints of distance may never be eroded enough to reduce it to one. The
optimum number may in fact exceed the number of states that now exist. The many separatist
movements, the success of small states, and the fact that there are many more languages than
states, all indicate a world with many more than 185 states: perhaps closer to 1000.
That implies a change in the nature of the component states. The classic 19th century
European nation state, the basis of most definitions of nationalism, would best fit a world of
between 200 and 500 states. It is a universalism: but there are competing universalisms,
variants within nationalism. This is very clear in Europe, where these variants are used as
programmes for the whole continent. Most are serious, some are what might be called
geopolitical kitsch (Heineken,
1992; Pedersen, 1992).
Classic nationalists speak of Europe des patries, ethno-nationalists of Europe des ethnies (Heraud,
1993), regionalists of Europe of the regions (Borrп╠s-Alomar,
1994). Only in Europe are the alternatives formulated so explicitly, but these
universalist structures are implicitly global. They are ways of dividing the world:
alternatives to classic nationalism. In other words, use of similar terms at a global scale
can be expected: a world of the regions, a world of the peoples, and so on.
There is what might be called world- nationalism, associated with a single global state.
Its explicit form is world federalism, and plans to the UN into a sort of world government.
This centuries-old tradition (see
ter Meulen, 1917; van der
Linden, 1987) is represented by the work of
Richard Falk (1987; 1992) and
many others (Marien, 1995: pp. 297
- 301). It is paralleled by the philosophical tradition of cosmopolitanism (see
Toulmin, 1990), and by a
belief in globalization. (Marien's 1995 article covers a very wide range of global visions,
from New Age to neo-liberal.) Then there is inter-culturalism - the division of the world into
5 to 50 cultures or civilizations, once used in organicist versions by historians (Demandt,
1978: pp. 96 - 101), and recently revived by
Samuel Huntington (1993).
At the same scale are the pan- nationalist movements, all of them failures until now (Snyder,
1984: p. 254). Then there is classic (inter-) nationalism, the basis of the existing world
order. Next to that is ethno-nationalism (Connor,
1994; Heraud, 1993;
Tiryakian, 1985;
Watson, 1990). Although there
is no clear distinction between some 'nations' and 'peoples', the scale of the inter-ethnic
world is very different, with up to 10,000 'peoples'. It is this variant which has the
clearest demands at present, classically stated in the International Covenant on the Rights of
Indigenous Nations (CWIS, 1994).
At a similar scale is a historic-cultural-linguistic regionalism, well organized in Europe
(see Kohr, 1986;
Labasse, 1991). These regions
are often seen as units of a future federal Europe, combining regionalism with a weak
pan-nationalism. Finally although it rarely generates separatism, there is an inter-localism:
it sees the small community, the village or neighbourhood, as the only authentic unit of
social organization.
In all these variants, the possible states share four functional characteristics
(described later), and there is a global order of such states. I would emphasize that this
article is not intended to explain all aspects of nationalism, but to consider why states do
not deviate from this model.
In universal structures (functional or not) there is logically no core or periphery - at
least, not in the sense of most world system models. However, competition between
universalisms can create this appearance. Some separatist movements, for instance, defy the
expected logic of core and periphery: the Lega Nord, or Catalonian separatism.
Mansvelt Beck (1991) explains
this as an 'inverted core- periphery relationship'. This kind of explanation can be avoided on
the assumption that there is no real separatism at all. Catalonian regionalism is regionalism,
a model for the whole world, not just Spain: Basque nationalism is a manifestation of global
ethno- nationalism, and so on. The variants of nationalism are superimposed universalisms. An
ETA attack on a Spanish army barracks is, seen in this way, a clash of universalisms.
To this extent, nationalist movements cannot logically be analyzed in terms of social
movement theories. (This is an example of the formal consequences of adopting the universalist
definition used in this article). Nor can electoral support for 'nationalist parties' be
analyzed. In Britain, the Scottish National Party supports a nation state, but then so do the
Labour Party and the Conservative Party. Support for nationalism in UK elections is
consistently around 99 percent. Again, separatist sentiment is labelled nationalist, but
unionist sentiment is not. In this way, SNP support enters a different category for electoral
analysis: but this is a purely taxonomic effect.
In a similar way, a rise in the number of states may generate the illusion of power,
struggle and resistance. This may be the case, even if there is no difference of scale. All
units (potential states) might be comparable, as with Czechoslovakia, Czechia, and Slovakia.
These are all classic European nation states. However, seen from Slovakia, Czechoslovakia
stands for hegemonic culture, an imposed universalism, oppression and 'power'. Earlier, the
Slavic nationalists who inspired the Czechoslovak state, had opposed the dominance of
German-language culture in Central Europe. Earlier still, German romantic nationalists had
opposed the dominance of French Enlightenment rationalist culture. All secessionist movements
are anti-hegemonic and anti-universalist, until independence day. After that they become
another's hegemonic universalism, another's 'state'. And, indeed, Slovakia has been
criticized, for its treatment of the Hungarian minority.
Logically, in a perfect order of nations, there is no dominance or 'power': everyone
co-operates a nationalist in sustaining the structure. This may however involve changing the
number of states, creating the illusion of conflict. People volunteer for military service:
that is said to prove they are willing to die for their country. It is equally logical to say
they die for the functioning of the world order. That, emphasized, in a perfect order of
nations.
This is an abstraction, true. Nevertheless, it is not such an abstraction that is has no
real effect. Conflicts do involve common reinforcement, including reinforcement of national
structure. Secession, especially, forces both sides further into their own identity. Identity
makes counter- identity (see Barth,
1969), as with Slovak and Czech. It is probably true that Czecho-Slovakia is more
nationalist since it split: it is certainly true of Yugoslavia. In this way the action of
individuals in one nation can intensify global identity, affecting the number of nations in
the process. So it is logically possible that there is no national oppression, nor national
liberation. The 'struggle' is to intensify nationalism, the world order. Inside it, to oppress
or be oppressed as a nation serves the same function. In practice, an oppressed group will say
it is a nation fighting a state: the state will say it is a nation fighting terrorists.
Another opposition recurrent in theory on nations is that between the national and the
global (see Arnason, 1990).
The nation state and national culture are being eroded by global communication - it is often
said. It is said that Internet will dissolve nations. Much the same thing was said about
satellite television, air travel, radio, the telegraph, and railways. Nation states are still
here. Yet few people are sceptical about 'globalization' (Cox,
1992; Smith, 1990), and in
a sense there is no reason to be. There is no erosion of the national by the global, but only
because there is nothing to erode. Nationalism is 100% global: a world order cannot logically
be further globalized.
The components of an order do not stand in opposition to it: certainly not in the sense
implied by the term 'globalization'. The implicit assumption is that nations are particular
entities, necessarily at a sub-global level. In other worlds, the whole idea starts from the
assumption that there is no universal nationalism. If I claim the people on the pitch at a
football match walked there by chance, and I see them playing football, then I could say they
are being 'football- ized'. In fact they went there as a group, for that purpose.
The question is why there is such enthusiasm for the concept of globalization. First, it
is in the nature of nationalism itself. The world of nations is an imperfect substitute for a
homogenous world state: it is logical for nationalists to hope it is approaching. Secondly,
the enthusiasm is in any case matched by the anti-universalist ideas mentioned above. There
are books and conferences on the coming global state, but equally on the rise of regions. It
seems possible to combine two scales of thought, for instance in cultural pan-syncretism (see
Nederveen Pieterse, 1993) or
sub-state federation (Bengoetxea,
1993). Thirdly, this is only one example of a pattern: for each of the level of scale of
nationalism, there are possible upward and downward transitions. Shifts from the
ethno-regional to the global, for instance, or from pan-nationalism to linguistic regionalism.
Only three of these possibilities are active at present:
globalism, more normative than descriptive
anti-hegemonic criticism of existing national states and their cultures, without any
territorial effect as yet. In reaction there is some new defence of the nation state,
especially in response to multiculturalism and identity politics. This applies most in
high-immigration western industrialized countries, where it is a major issue. (The U.S.A.
especially: see
Schlesinger, 1992.) In any case, more recent interest in fusion, hybridity, and
'crossing boundaries' favours pan- nationalism. Separatist identity politics seems on the
way out.
ethno-nationalism, and in Europe regionalism at the same subnational scale - which
enjoys some support within the EU (van
der Knaap, 1994).
This last is by far the most active shift. The next ten years are unlikely to see a world
government, and the US is unlikely to break up (and does not need Arthur Schlesinger to save
it): but it might see an independent Vlaanderen or Catalunya, or the definitive break-up of
Afghanistan.
The world order of nations is therefore characterized by both secession and fusion, but it
is not being 'torn apart'. It is a structure being rebuilt to function better. All these
shifts in scale merely substitute one universalism for another, all variants of one world
order. There is no dramatic fragmentation, and no paradigmatic shift to one world community.
No shift is needed.
It also follows, from the definitions used here, that a world of nation states cannot be
chaotic or anarchic. The academic discipline of international relations is influenced by the
idea of a slow progress toward the imposition of some kind of order on warring, aggressive
states, the tradition of, for instance,
Hedley Bull (1977, 1984). This
tradition concedes some 'order in the system'. However, logically there cannot be anything
else but order. A world order is by definition not disorder: international relations are by
definition 'idealist' in International Relations terms, and a national state cannot be a
Machtsstaat. So called realism models a world of aggressively competitive states - sometimes
identified with mediaeval Europe. From this a recognition of commonalities may emerge, and
states may co-operate, bringing order and peace. Those who consider this inherent or
inevitable are usually classified as idealist.
But war is not disorder: Carneiro's model, the simplest possible, demonstrates that states
disappear through 'competitive exclusion' until there is one left: there are many wars, but it
is an ordered, linear process (see
Cioffi-Revilla, 1991). The realist/idealist dispute ignores the type of state involved.
The question is not why there are so many wars between nations, but why there are so few wars
between non-nations. Not why there is ethnic cleansing, but why there is so little non-ethnic
cleansing. Not what is international relations, but why there are only inter-national
relations. Any attempt to imagine a fundamentally non-national world, should make clear how
stable the world of nations is. Nation states can apparently fight each other, without risk of
emergence of new state forms in the alleged 'chaos'.
It may seem that all this imposes a simplistic order on a complex world. However it is
nationalists who want to impose a simple structure, and they have been remarkably successful.
Of course the world order is not perfect, and states do have autonomous interests. These may
be of the kind graphically attributed to them in pre-war Geopolitik (Schmidt,
1929), or less obsessively in recent geopolitical atlases. Nations do sometimes act as
entities 'seeking access to the sea', or 'control of river basins', or resources, or
historical territories. The Schmidt-Haack Atlas maps tens of different types of claim, and
some were later used by Germany. However, if all nation states consistently acted like this,
there would be constant all-state war.
There is also the possibility that a state will turn against the world order, a real
renegade state. Usually this term merely indicates a state disliked by western policy makers:
see Dror (1971) on 'crazy
states'. A real renegade state would have to stop being a nation state: no-one speaks of
'crazy nations'. More probable is that nationalism as a universal order conflicts with other
universalisms; other world orders of one or more states, or perhaps a stateless world. The
definition of nationalism used here, defines it as a monolith with great historical
continuity. It should then react to competing monoliths, as a unit. The Greek polis is often
cited as the prototype of nations, indeed of all political community. It was also a unit
within an order of similar states. That Hellenic order may have had a proto-national identity
itself. However, as an order of city states, it was in intermittent conflict with Asian
empires. The present order of nation states covers the globe, however, so that any competing
world will be found within it.
There is at present one clear example of a competing world order: theocratic religious
universalism, of the kind promoted (in Britain) by the Muslim Unity Organization. It advocates
a world caliphate, khilafa. It is not accidental that this group operates from Britain: the
existing Islamic nation states would be the first to disappear on the road to the caliphate.
However small such groups are, they have a coherent and radical alternative not just to 'the
West', but to the whole existing world:
...there is a long and still vibrant tradition of Muslim agitation against nationalism and
the nation state. The most recent manifestation of this agitation has had Shi'i
inspiration, but there are no significant differences between Sunni and Shi'a on this
question, or between Arab and non-Arab Muslims. Feeling that Islam's decline is due chiefly
to the adoption of Western ideas and culture, all express pessimism and suggest a radical
restructuring of the world order. (Piscatori,
1986: p. 145)
A complete alternative world order is unlikely to control any territory within the world
order it rejects. It is however not adequate to consider such universalist Islamic movements
as 'social movements' within existing nation states. They cannot be accommodated within the
'public domain' of these states, as suggested by
John Rex (1996) in a
previous article in Sociological
Research Online. This has nothing to do with their immigrant or ethnic status: a Catholic
theocracy would not fit into a liberal democratic nation state either.
As long as there are nations, there will be no caliphate; it is neither a people, nor a
region, nor a nation, nor a culture. Structurally, nationalism excludes other entities from
state status. Nationalism is a blocking world order: it excludes other worlds. It is difficult
to imagine all these possible worlds from inside the world of nations, and that is part of its
success. Any attempt to imagine them will lead to apparent absurdity.
What nationalism blocks, above all, is change. The definition of nationalism as tending to
total homogeneity implies stability also. The order blocks, but not without direction. It may
well be, in itself, empty: it does not define, for instance, what language will be spoken in
the third nation east of the Rhine. That does not stop it having a purpose. If the world order
of nations (as defined here) is superimposed on a world, it will block change in time, and
exclude the alternative worlds that are possible at any point in time. That is an ethical
choice, and the ethics of nations are outside the scope of this article, as noted.
If nationalism is chosen, someone chose it. No one person invented nationalism: the most
logical 'someone' is, exactly as Mazzini suggested, humanity. There is some theory which links
the nation to the psyche: the most obvious areas of interest are self-determination (Ronen,
1979) and personal identity, sense of self (Bloom,
1990). I suggest the structure of nationalism derives from an innate human conservatism.
This is no more absurd than saying that structures of reservoirs and water supply derive from
an innate human need for water. It does not imply that all persons at all times are absolutely
conservative. (Nor does it contradict biology: change causes stress.)
How can the world order of nations answer such an innate aversion to change? First, in
that it gives a monopoly of state formation - and so of sovereignty - to nations. Not that all
states correspond exactly to one nation: again, the point is how few states correspond to
non-national entities. They do exist as historical curiosities: the Vatican, and the
autonomous Agio Oros (Athos) in Greece. Some nationalists have a horror of a state without a
nation: see Heraud's comment on the Vatican as a product of History, 'qui est violence' (1993:
p. 11). If national divisions were not dominant, there should be more of these
counter-examples. Secondly, the nation itself is past-based. Trans-generationality is a key
characteristic of nations, and found in many definitions of nation. Writing on the subjective
experience of cultural identity,
A. D. Smith (1990: p. 179) names three components of shared experience: a sense of
transgenerational continuity, shared memories, and a sense of common destiny. Collapsing the
three into one gives the purpose of a nation: it exists to project the past (as collectively
remembered) into the future, as little changed as possible. Nationalists almost do not ignore
the future:
Nations are thus projects for the future and have the right to self-determination in order
to organise their future. (Bengoetxea,
1993: p.95)
However in a national world order, nations are the only entities with self-determination
and territory, and they are past- constituted. Just as with the world order, the nation is
empty but not directionless: superimpose a nation on a heritage, and it will preserve it. In
fact it will make the past into a 'heritage', one of the metaphors of possession common in
nationalism. It is logical in nations, that the past should increase its share of economy,
society and culture (see Horne, 1984;
Lowenthal, 1985), that
territory undergoes 'heritage-ization' (Walsh,
1992: pp. 138 - 147), that memory is cultural (see
Assman, 1988) and that its
preservation is a task of the state. Despite Lowenthal's title, the past is not treated as an
apart entity, but rather divided up to correspond to existing nations. The world is thus
occupied by states projecting parallel pasts into the future: there is no non-memory space, no
space which is not of the past.
Thirdly, the nations are in principle eternal, and so the nation state, and so the world
order. (Dependent territories and mandates can have a formal time limit, but this relates to a
transfer of power. Mandate territories become independent nation states, or join an existing
neighbour.) The idea of setting up a state for a limited time for a specific purpose is alien
to nationalism. The exceptions which show it is possible - for example extraterritorial mining
concessions - are curiosities in a world of nations. The projection of the past will continue.
Fourth, and most specifically, no state has ever been established for the primary purpose
of change. This logical possibility is not limited by available technology or culture - it
could have been done 1000 years ago.
Returning to the definition: there logically exists a general class of orders of states
where the boundaries are not drawn so as to maximise change. In other words, a class of
change-limiting orders, in effect change-minimizing orders. The order of nations is probably
the most effective of these. Formally, it is an order of coterminous states covering the
entire land surface, formed by transgenerational identity communities, claiming a monopoly of
state formation, and eternal legitimacy. All the scale variants of nationalism conform to this
definition.
These four functional characteristics of the nationalist world order emphasize how
different it is from other possible orders, and how it has excluded them for a long time. In
effect it has become superimposed on the world, by choice. It would be inaccurate to say it
arrived at one instant. No-one can give a definitive date for when nationalism began:
Marcu (1976: pp. 3 - 15) quotes
41 different views on the issue. Instead, a structure has been elaborated and intensified, and
the beginnings of other structures have been abandoned. Compare the five possible futures of
thirteenth century Europe suggested by
Tilly (1975: p. 26), or the
different routes to the national identity suggested by
Armstrong (1982: pp. 283 - 300).
The intensification has increased in the last 200 years, as nations become more national.
It is a property of nationalism that intensifying the national identity intensifies the
world order. Most theory of nationalism attributes this process to the state, at most to the
interaction of state and civil society:
Après avoir ajusté à leur échelle propre l'armée, la justice, la religion et
l'administration, ils en viennent à nationaliser le marché (impôts, douanes, lois et
règlements, poids et mesures, etc.) à nationaliser l'école (langue officielle, programmes,
examens, etc.) et, de proche en proche, à nationaliser encore la conscription, les services
publics, certaines entreprieses au moins (chemins de fer, postes, ports etc.) ... l'Etat
tend à façonner toute la societé civile, laquelle tend, en retour, a soumettre l'Etat à ses
finalités propres... (Fossaert,
1994: p. 195)
After having adjusted the army, the courts, religion and
administration to national scale, they start to national-ise the market (taxes, customs,
laws and regulations, weights and measures), to national-ise the schools (official
language, educational programmes, exams), and then to nationalise in turn, conscription,
public service, some business enterprises (railways, post, ports) ... The State forms civil
society, which in turn begins to use the State for its own goals... (Fossaert,
1994: p. 195)
The logic of nationalism however, is that this is a process of convergence driven from
below, that the national identity is exactly what
A. D. Smith (1990: p. 179)
says it is not: an average. The state is merely an instrument. Too large a state and the
convergence will be ineffective, too small and the averages will differ too much - and so back
to the starting definition. Neither secession nor conquest disturb this process in the long
run: the new nations will have their own 'nationalization', their own convergence. In other
words, even at the level of the individual state, attitudes to change can determine the degree
of national uniformity. Secession, in effect, punishes the state for allowing too much
difference in the population. This is not an abstraction: many nationalists explicitly value
homogeneous communities.
In any case, daily reality in most nations is not secession, but less spectacular
processes of emancipation. Nations are not perfect: they include minorities (or majorities)
which do not conform to the national ideal, but have no other national identity. Repeatedly,
such groups chose to integrate into the nation, rather than allow non-national secession. They
pressure the state for inclusion, and often try to adjust the national identity, through
cultural politics. Once again, there is no political-geographic inevitability in this: if
people can secede as a nation they can secede as something else. They chose not to, with some
historical exceptions. Again, the remarkable feature of the world order of nations is not the
number of secessionist movements, but the fact that all of them represent a people, or a
nation.
A good example of the intensity of this choice is the campaign of gay and lesbian groups -
especially in the U.S.A. - against the military ban on service, for 'the right to die for my
country'. It seems absurd to demand to be killed in an army which discriminates against you.
The emotions here can only be nationalist, U.S.A. nationalist: a sort of desperate desire to
be part of an identity, to conform, to belong, not to be different. This is an example of
genuine anger directed against the state, for failing to homogenize the nation. The logically
possible alternatives do not occur. Despite the influence of religion in the U.S.A., there is
no comparable demand for the 'right to die for my church', let alone any other organization.
There is also no serious secessionist movement of gays and/or lesbians despite decades of
social organization. When Cardinal Archbishop Quarracino of Buenos Aires proposed (in August
1994) a 'separate country for homosexuals', he had to publicly apologise, saying it was a
joke. He did not know, probably, of Queer Nation (Bérubé,
1991; Chee, 1991), nor that
it makes no territorial demands, despite its name.
Many processes, then, which may seem separate or contradictory, can be described in a
structure of nationalism, starting from its formal definition as a specific world order.
Integration through formalism is a characteristic of conspiracy theories: does all this imply
a vast conspiracy involving almost all humans over centuries? Not necessarily: it is possible
to generate complex structures from simple rules. The most general rule for a nationalist
world as a blocking world order would be approximately: 'if there is change, intensify
identity'. A second rule might be to intensify identity preferably by fusion or accretion, and
only if that failed, by secession. However, it is not necessary to imply a hidden formal
grammar of nationalism. People do not need one: they can reflect on what is happening, and
produce open doctrines of complex action - as did Mazzini, and other nationalist ideologists.
National identity links the individual to the world order. It has also been a central
theme in universities over the last 15 - 20 years. Especially so, in English-speaking
countries where a liberal political tradition is confronted by ethnic diversity (Rex,
1996). Some of that academic activity has an obvious link to nationalism, ethnic studies
for example. More generally, there is an interest in what might be called structures of
cultural identity, which may have a spatial or territorial counterpart.
In the US the work of bell hooks, for instance, shows a transition from marginality as a
'site of deprivation' to a 'site of resistance' to a 'site one stays in' (hooks,
1990: p. 341), which is almost a summary of secessionist nationalism. In this way
nationalist models, even of classic Mazzinian nationalism, may be adopted for identity
politics. (That is, without necessarily breaking up existing nation states.) This continuity
from 19th century nationalism to recent identity politics has yet to be researched. Even
before the First World War, the Austro-Marxist
Bauer (1907) anticipated the
model of a multicultural state, now common in political speech in western Europe. Already in
1944, Louis Adamic described
the United States as 'A Nation of Nations', and President Kennedy echoed the idea in the
sixties (Kennedy, 1964). In
contrast to Benedict Anderson's
view (1992) that multiculturalism is transitional, there is no reason why a nation state
can not be a Vielvölkerstaat, with diversity as a national value. The ultimate logic would be
to make each nation itself a microcosm of the world order: united nations of united nations.
It seems possible that use of identity can be further intensified, possibly to the point
that a non-territorial structure of transgenerational identity replaces classic nationalism.
For an example of the new politics, see the post-structuralist critique of Transgender Nation
by Newitz (1993), and other
texts at the same site. The new world order could be 'syncretic', a term from the study of
religion (see Colpe, 1987). It
could be a world order of gender pluralism, trans- diaspora cultures, trans-trans hybrids, and
other new combinations of the existing - suppressing change by the volume of diversity.
More probable is, that the parallels between the new politics and the old, will reinforce
classic nationalism. Take this (random) example: a comment on bell hooks from a recent paper
on spaces of citizenship:
In hooks's case these 'homes' entailed her grandparent's house and then the black
neighbourhoods containing this house and also her own, and the implication is that these
houses and neighbourhoods were rather more to her than 'just' sites of belonging, they were
also sites where black people could escape from the antagonism, anger and attacks which
arose when they trespassed on white space (however legitimate in legal terms their presence
in this white space would actually be). In other words, hooks indicates something of how
black people can never be citizens confidently occupying the spaces of white society, but
hints too at how they may find ways of trying to foster alternative locales in which some
sense of being a citizen - this time of a distinctively black world - is made possible. (Painter
& Philo, 1995: pp. 116 - 7)
Change some names and this becomes much less friendly:
In Tudjman's case these 'homes' entailed his grandparent's house and then the Croat
neighbourhoods containing this house and also his own, and the implication is that these
houses and neighbourhoods were rather more to him than 'just' sites of belonging, they were
also sites where Croat people could escape from the antagonism, anger and attacks which
arose when they trespassed on Yugoslav space (however legitimate in legal terms their
presence in this Yugoslav space would actually be). In other words, Tudjman indicates
something of how Croat people can never be citizens confidently occupying the spaces of
Yugoslav society, but hints too at how they may find ways of trying to foster alternative
locales in which some sense of being a citizen - this time of a distinctively Croat world -
is made possible.
There is no need to reinvent nationalism, for nations have not disappeared, but some
people seem determined to reinvent it anyway. The structure of nationalism is being altered,
but its singularity and purpose are not. It remains one structure, one world order excluding
other worlds. The man who more than anyone, was the founding father of modern nationalism,
Johann Gottlieb Herder, wrote
in 1774:
Ist nicht das Gute auf der Erde ausgestreut? Weil eine Gestalt der Menschheit und ein
Erdstrich es nicht fassen konnte, wards geteilt in tausend Gestalten, wandelt - ein ewiger
Proteus! - durch alle Weltteile und Jahrhunderte hin...(Herder,
1990/1774: p. 36)
Nationalism is a Proteus, but it changes only to prevent change. Rewriting Herder in the
negative gives the judgment of nationalism: Only that which is already strewn about the Earth,
is good.
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"... This question contains one truly huge assumption: that liberals actually support Obama and Clinton. My support for Obama evaporated as it became apparent that, rather than fighting for civil rights, he was doubling down on Bush/Cheney's totalitarian approach to all issues of security. ..."
"... The only time I've really thought he was fighting for anything was against Hillary during the latter part of his first nominating process. Since then he's been fairly spineless. ..."
"... The Clintons have never been liberal. They're all about taking the safe middle of the road; they'd never take on the corporate interests because they want their donations just like the right wing. ..."
"... If you want to find liberals, find folks like me that are at least interested in Sanders. Or at least initiate political conversations on your own. Educate yourself on the issues that are important to you and start talking with the people around you. ..."
This question contains one truly huge assumption: that liberals actually
support Obama and Clinton. My support for Obama evaporated as it became apparent
that, rather than fighting for civil rights, he was doubling down on Bush/Cheney's
totalitarian approach to all issues of security. His incessant compromises
with GOP on health-care during his first year or two left us with an ACA that
is somewhat better than nothing but falls dramatically far short of what it
should have been; and the compromises were just tricks, the GOP intended to
stonewall it from the beginning.
His FCC's actions on net neutrality were essential but don't outweigh his
failings on liberty, privacy, and other issues. His failures to respond to the
Bundy family's two armed insurrections are typical of his passive afraid-of-the-backlash
approach to just about everything.
His administration is complicity embedded with the Content Ownership industry
to eliminate the fair-use exception to copyright law. The only time I've
really thought he was fighting for anything was against Hillary during the latter
part of his first nominating process. Since then he's been fairly spineless.
Only reason I don't usually air these concerns publicly is the scandalous
amount of racism and sheer hatred in the heart of the GOP's nut-job opposition.
The Clintons have never been liberal. They're all about taking the safe
middle of the road; they'd never take on the corporate interests because they
want their donations just like the right wing.
... ... ... ...
If you want to find liberals, find folks like me that are at least interested
in Sanders. Or at least initiate political conversations on your own. Educate
yourself on the issues that are important to you and start talking with the
people around you.
I have to laugh at the argument that today's low oil prices are something Saudi Arabia wants in
order to (1) punish LTO producers in the U.S or (2) punish Russia or (3) punish other OPEC producers
or (4) punish (insert country name here). There is no way SA wants low prices and their economy
is suffering. They are burning through their foreign reserves. So why are the continuing to produce
flat out as Ron insightfully informs us?
Because they have no choice! They need every dollar they can get and they don't control the
price of oil. If they export less the price of oil will go up somewhat, of course, but not enough
to increase their net take. In other words, their profitability would go up but their total profit
would decrease.
Now it's true that SA has made statements that make it look like this is part of some strategy,
but I believe that is all just public relations. Putting lipstick on a pig, if you will (apologies
to Muslim readers). If prices remain low we could be looking at some big time internal and regional
disruption as poor Saudi's (and there are lots of them) become desperate and the privileged Saud
class finds their standard of living declining. Saudi Arabia has been a pillar of stability (yes,
repressive stability) in the mid east for decades. If that changes many bad things could happen.
But please, stop with the talk that SA wants low oil prices.
If KSA cut production by 3 million barrels per day (for example), I'd bet my life savings that
oil prices would at least double to say 70 or even 80 USD per barrel – and I think that is being
conservative. That cut would totally eliminate the current rate of oversupply.
That sacrifice would reduce their volume of oil exported by about 30%, but revenue from that
oil would double – with that production providing greater profit margins as well for the same
given revenue.
I don't think it is accurate to say that a) they couldn't control the price of oil at least
directionally, and b) that their total profit would decrease – it simply wouldn't, it would increase.
How else did OPEC work in the past if that was not the case?
Well, you can make your bet and I'd make mine. When I say control the price of oil I mean CONTROL
the price - not just influence it. Any producer can influence the price at some marginal level.
But Saudi Arabia is seen by many as holding the key to world prices. So your assertion is that
KSA could cut back and increase the price sufficiently to more than make up for the lost exports.
So why aren't they? To hurt the US frackers? To hurt Russia? To hurt Iran? I just don't but it.
They are burning through their foreign exchange reserves at a blistering pace. And if they someday
decide to cut production and increase world prices, won't that just bring back the other producers?
It's all my opinion, of course, and we are all entitled to one, but I don't see how KSA is
operating on some kind of brilliant strategy.
I have to laugh at the argument that today's low oil prices are
something Saudi Arabia wants in order to (1) punish LTO producers in the U.S or (2) punish Russia
or (3) punish other OPEC producers or (4) punish (insert contry name here). There is no way SA
wants low prices and their economy is suffering. They are burning through their foreign reserves.
So why are the continuing to produce flat out as Ron insightfully informs us?
KSA used predatory pricing to drive down oil prices. This is undisputable. It takes two for
tango and they were supported by growth of US shale production and the heavy artillery of the
USA MSM claiming "Oh my God, oil glut, oil glut !" as well as disingenuous statistics from EIA
and IEA (both controlled by the same people).
It looks that oil glut did occurred, mainly due to condensate overproduction for the second
half of 2014 and the first half of 2015 and this fact was used to drive oil prices from over $100
to below $30 or three times. Wall Street guys are called "masters of the universe" for a reason.
That put most oil producing nations in a very precarious situation with several countries balancing
of the wedge of bankruptcies. This also was equivalent to huge monetary stimulus for the Western
and Asian economies. For the USA it was equivalent to the continuation of the Fed stimulus program.
Probably around 600 billion per year worldwide were redistributed from oil producing nations
to oil consuming nations.
KSA actions also created tensions between two groups of OPEC nations - Gulf monarchies and
everybody else to the extent that OPEC now exists only formally (not withstanding that cheating
OPEC quotas was widespread practice even before).
In February the situation looked really grim for oil producing nations and Russians became
really concerned that Wall Street manipulators (aka paper oil producers) will manage to drive
oil to $20 (you can almost sense the level of panic in Sechin speech in London
http://www.rosneft.com/attach/0/57/51/pdf_10022016_en.pdf
)
Our message about the gap between the financial instruments of the oil market which, in
fact, determine the prices and specifics of the actual industry development has been clearly
confirmed. The financial market observes its own interests, and they are often abstracted from
the problems of sustainable development of the industry. In this market, prices can both fall
to the "bottom" where any development or stable functioning are impossible, and climb to unreasonably
high levels.
Financial players have tools that allow them making profit on both rise and fall in prices.
Today, the financial technique implies that decisions are often made by robots at the trading
platforms, and the programs managed by them impersonally respond instantly to such short-term
changes of the situation or information on the oil reserves movements;
Link of the price dynamics with the parameters of production is primarily important to the
producers who have a long-term horizon of decision-making, investment and implementation of
major projects, and the consumers who are also interested in predictability. In the past year,
we saw developments in which producers were split up, and some of them announced a "price war"
setting up a mission to oust "ineffective" suppliers from the market and take their place at
the market, in fact, this price war should have determined who is "ineffective".
In these circumstances, it is quite expected that the financial market players went bears
while the related (if not affiliated) think tanks helpfully prompted lower and lower price
benchmarks to the market.
Who was the main beneficiary of the current crisis? Apparently, not consumers because the
retail prices fell by less than 20% on average, but rather financial players who, by the way,
have not redirected $250-300 bln investments released from oil sector into projects in other
sectors of the economy so far.
Slide 5. Explosive growth of shale oil production in the US in 2013-2014 ceased in 2015
As we know, the explosive growth of shale production in the US in 2013-2014 became another
crucial factor, and even the "trigger" of the crisis.
In 2013-2014, this growth was probably unprecedented in the world history in terms of its
scale and pace. We have already noted that this reflected the advantage of the developed
US market with its financial instruments (large-scale hedging of risks, availability of cheap
investment, propensity of investors to take prompt decisions, use of land pledge and encumbrances,
etc.), and its capacities in drilling, service and transportation.
In late 2014, some of the leading oil producers from the Middle East followed the example
of the US strategy in increasing oil production.
As the result, the problems of excess oil on the market, long-time decline in oil prices,
falloff in capacity of commercial shale oil production in the US have become worse.
Slide 6. OPEC actions gave backing to imbalance in the oil market
There is every reason to believe that these producers have deliberately created and continue
to maintain a surplus of supply over demand claiming their commitment to the policy of low
prices. The consequences of this policy, even if it is changed or adjusted, will have affect
for a certain time.
Slide 7. Positions of major speculators in the oil futures markets
We have to admit we underestimated the fact that the financial market players have no restrictions
in dealing with their sheer financial objectives and are ready to "test" any price levels –
for example, 27$ in January – down to $10 per barrel as it was recently announced by a reputable
investment structure. What is it if not "an invitation to the irresponsible game" for an unlimited
price drop?
That's why all those talks about freeze started in February - this was a meek attempt of damage
control of KSA reckless gambit from which other oil producing nations suffered greatly (and Saudis
decided to get on board of this initiative for a simple reason that events got out of control
and they also feel really threatened by the possibility of $20 oil).
The most interesting is the fact that Saudis cooperated with Russia (whom they consider their
enemy). Russia in turn decided to cooperate with KSA not out of good will toward KSA. They consider
Wahhabism a mortal threat for Russia and you can get in jail if you just get Wahhabi literature
in Russia, to say nothing about openly declaring yourself to be adherent of this dominant in KSA
sect (it is considered to be criminal organization in Russia). That tells us something about the
precarious situation in which oil producing nations has found themselves in February.
In any case, in February it looked like oil producing nations will be taken for a ride by Wall
Street for 2016 and probably 2017. And financially raped.
That's why this freeze agreement was announced and it helped to push prices slightly higher
even before it full ratification which might occur in late April despite all the efforts by the
West to torpedo the agreement (and somewhat duplicitous behavior of Iran, which it seems does
not understand that producing 4 Mb/day at $30 is equivalent to producing 2 Mb/d at $60).
Russia also launched a national program of development of their petrochemical industry which
will eventually reduce the amount of oil available for export, even if production remains flat.
Saudis did the same and actually on much larger scale. So their internal consumption will be
rising faster then their production capacities.
To get out this KSA induced fiasco with oil prices this cocky and impulsive new Saudi prince
is now trying to save his butt pretending to be Margaret Thatcher of Saudi Arabia. He is trying
to launch the program of privatization of state assets including part of Aramco to lessen the
draw of foreign reserves due to budget deficit (currently around $100 billion a year; KAS needs
around $90 per barrel to balance the budget; Russia needs around $60).
So either with gentle encouragement of Obamoids or on their own initiative this new prince
( who actually rules the county instead of his father king who is suffering from dementia ) essentially
destroyed around one third of the country foreign reserves, engaged in destructive war in Yemen,
deteriorated relations with the major geopolitical rivals such as Iran (via war in Yemen and the
execution of Shiite cleric) and Russia (by supporting and financing (indirectly) Syria jihadists)
and got nothing in return.
Moreover he managed even to cool relations with the USA - the major beneficiary of his actions.
That clearly demonstrates the grave danger inherent in absolute monarchy - a lot depends on
the man at the top.
…..Why would a price spike above $40 be a bad thing for Saudi Arabia?
Because it would provide a life support to American frackers who have undermined the pricing
power of the Kingdom these days, as was discussed in a previous piece here.
But there's another, more important problem: high crude prices can help Russia and Iran raise
the funds they need to support insurgent movements that threaten the Kingdom's regime………
Saudi Arabia and Russia are by no means at the end of their finances as can be seen from their
still unabated drilling activity, buying refineries in the US, investing in Europe…:
Heinrich, your assertion that I am trying to prevent people from expressing their opinion is insulting
as well as misplaced. I did nothing of the sort. Also, I certainly don't consider Forbes to be
good company on pretty much any subject. SA's foreign exchange reserves dropped from about $740
billion in Oct 2014 to about $590 billion today, having dropped $9 billion in February alone.
I'm not saying they are on the ropes yet, but the Kingdom is scaling back on social welfare payments.
They are running a massive budget deficit. Anyone who thinks this is part of some brilliant strategy
is misguided.
Your assertion that unabated drilling activity is a sign of financial strength is not supported
by the link you provided. That's about investing in LNG facilities. What does that have to do
with oil production?
The US government always subscribed to Al Capone maxim "You can get much farther with a kind word
and a gun than you can with a kind word alone. ". Bu now this allegiance took slightly more sophisticated
form.
Notable quotes:
"... We all need to do what we can to try to make your take on the NY Times into a more mainstream understanding of that capitalist/imperialist propaganda rag. ..."
"... The NYT is only good for the periodic correct quote buried deeply within it's bombastic verbiage. ..."
"... Granted, the NYT does provide a view into the mindset of the Empire, but is otherwise nothing more than a propaganda rag. I find it fascinating that anyone gives it any credence as 'information' ... ..."
"... more light needs to be shone on this topic of 'ngos', 'non profits' and any other sacrimonious name tag the money wants to give to 'regime change'... democracy my ass. ..."
"... U.S. embassies are primarily and above all else organs of espionage and subversion. With modern communications abilities allowing online performance of many traditional ambassadorial functions. If I were Putin, I would clip the wings of hostile powers' embassies by eliminating most attaches and other mischief makers and placing restrictions on the total numbers of staff. ..."
"... Beware of Yanks bringing democracy Have caution of NGO's in general, they may not always be what they appear ..."
"... institutions like the New York Times are essentially organs of authoritarian government, with the clandestine mission of "manufacturing consent" for the government's policies and programs. ..."
"... by Douglas Jehl and David E. Sanger - July 17, 2005 ..."
"... Despite the denials by some Bush administration officials, others who took part in or were briefed on the discussion said they could not rule out the possibility that the United States and its allies might have provided secret aid to augment the broad overt support provided to Iraqi candidates and parties by the State Department, through organizations like the (Inter)national Democratic Institute . ..."
"... IRI was founded in 1983 as the result of a Reagan administration initative to fight Communism by providing government funding to private groups -- most notably the National Endowment for Democracy -- that would promote U.S. policies in ways the government could not undertake directly. In 1991, one of the creators of the NED would be quoted as saying, "a lot of what we do today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA" This initiative led to the creation of two organizations, the International Republican Institute and the National Democratic Institute, associated with the two political parties. ..."
"... The CIA used to handle all the subversive activities of the US Government abroad until the Church and Pike commissions opened up that can of worms post-Watergate. The Reagan regime eventually repackaged the US Government's efforts at subversion of foreign governments at the State Department ..."
"... The NYTimes and WaPo are now funny papers, bald propaganda sites posing as newspapers, and have been since the younger, neo-con Sulzberger took over from his 'liberal' dad at the one, and since the Amazonian CIA contractor, Bezos, took over the other. ..."
"... US 'democracy loving' spies out! ..."
"... GNGOs - Government-funded Non-Governmental Organizations - are in every way a contradiction in terms, and those exporting Government-funded Non-Governmental product ought to be turned around at the border of any and every other supposedly independent state to which they are sent, as an obvious infringement of national sovereignty. ..."
"... Next to the NED and the IRI, The Open Society of George Soros must be added to the forefront of Pro Democracy nonprofit group used by The CIA and The deep state and the oligarchs linked to them. ..."
"... Syrian rebels claim to have downed a Syrian air force MiG-21 fighter jet that crashed in Hama Province while bombing militant positions. At least one pilot died, for which conflicting reports blame either fire from the ground or a jet malfunction. "The pilot was ejected and brought to safety in al-Mughayr," a military source told the Syrian Al Masdar News outlet. The same source insisted that the plane was not taken down by militants, but crashed due to a technical failure. ..."
"... Biden Jr's resume is unsurprisingly sprinkled with Ivy-league dust - he is on the Chairman's Advisory Board for the National Democratic Institute , a director for the Center for National Policy and the US Global Leadership Coalition comprising 400 American businesses, NGOs, senior national security and foreign policy experts. ..."
"... Former US President Bill Clinton appointed him an Executive Director of E-Commerce Policy and he was honorary co-chair of the 2008 Obama-Biden Inaugural Committee. ..."
"... perpetuum mobile ..."
"... How any nation could trust American based NGOs in this day and age ..."
"... Yeah the WaPo was trash before Bezos ... they played it straight though, tryied to carry on as a newspaper with a poker face. Now the joker is unmasked. Bezos doesn't even care what people think. He's laughing ... in print ... at the people who read his rag. \ ..."
MOSCOW - A nonprofit group that promotes democracy has become the latest American-linked group
to be banned in Russia under restrictions on "undesirable" organizations signed into law by President
Vladimir V. Putin in May.
The office of Russia's prosecutor general on Thursday outlawed the group, the National Democratic
Institute, claiming in a statement that the it posed "a threat to the foundations of Russia's
constitutional order and national security."
The above quoted NYT piece studiously avoids to describe what the "pro-democracy nonprofit" really
is. There is no mention at all of its sources of money or its relations to non-Russian governments.
The National Democratic Institute, a group promoting democracy and civil society, had operated
in Russia directly since the late 1980s, but it decided to close its offices there in 2012, according
to its website. It has continued to establish programs in Russia through partner organizations,
however. Madeleine K. Albright, an former United States secretary of state, is its chairwoman.
When asked about U.S. sanctions against Iraq Madeleine Albright once
said (vid) that 500,000
killed Iraqi children were "worth it". Any organization led by here must surely be a morally good.
But who pays it? And what for?
To know what exactly this "nonprofit" is, is certainly relevant to understand the Russian position.
But the NYT writer hides from the readers the fact that the NDI is a U.S. government financed organization.
It is a "nonprofit organization" in the same sense that the U.S. Armed Forces are a "nonprofit organization".
The NDI has been involved throughout the years
in dozens of right-wing "regime change" coups . Its direct parent organization
is the U.S. National Endowment of Democracy:
The private, congressionally funded NED has been a controversial tool in U.S. foreign policy because
of its support of efforts to overthrow foreign governments. As the writers Jonah Gindin and Kirsten
Weld remarked in the January/February 2007 NACLA Report on the Americas: "Since [1983], the NED
and other democracy-promoting governmental and nongovernmental institutions have intervened successfully
on behalf of 'democracy'-actually a very particular form of low-intensity democracy chained to
pro-market economics-in countries from Nicaragua to the Philippines, Ukraine to Haiti, overturning
unfriendly 'authoritarian' governments (many of which the United States had previously supported)
and replacing them with handpicked pro-market allies."[2]
NED works principally through four core institutes: the National Democratic Institute for International
Affairs (NDIIA or NDI), the International Republican Institute (IRI), the American Center for
International Labor Solidarity (ACILS), and the Center for International Private Enterprise-representing,
respectively, the country's two major political parties, organized labor, and the business community.
To call the NDI and its brothers and sisters non-government organization is obviously wrong. To
call them "pro-democracy" is only right when one has some fondness for the peculiar kind of "democracy"
in foreign countries that sets U.S. business interests above the interest of its own people.
What the Russian prosecutor general kicked out of Russia is obviously a U.S. government organization.
The NDI was acting clandestinely by secretly financing local groups in Russia which work against
the duly elected Russian government and against the interest of the Russian people.
But the petty-minded NYT, with its slavishly U.S. centric view, can not allow its readers to learn
such facts.
We all need to do what we can to try to make your take on the NY Times into a more mainstream
understanding of that capitalist/imperialist propaganda rag.
The NYT is only good for the periodic correct quote buried deeply within it's bombastic verbiage.
It is often quoted by authors such as this one, PCRoberts, Vltchek, the Saker, etc., to make a
point ... but is otherwise useless as information. Granted, the NYT does provide a view into
the mindset of the Empire, but is otherwise nothing more than a propaganda rag. I find it fascinating
that anyone gives it any credence as 'information' ...
thanks b.. more light needs to be shone on this topic of 'ngos', 'non profits' and any other
sacrimonious name tag the money wants to give to 'regime change'... democracy my ass... we
don't have it here in canada..
plutocracy is encouraged instead.. the russians are smart to not allow this kind of bs to enter
the pic.. take george soros and tie him up.. that would be a better example of democracy in action..
"Nest of spies" is the correct term for all such organizations.
Russia, and any other country interested in preserving its autonomy, would be crazy to permit
any outside funded organization whose raison d'etre is subversion.
In fact the members of such organizations when operating clandestinely through front organizations
should be subject to arrest and prosecution.
Another thing: U.S. embassies are primarily and above all else organs of espionage and
subversion. With modern communications abilities allowing online performance of many traditional
ambassadorial functions. If I were Putin, I would clip the wings of hostile powers' embassies
by eliminating most attaches and other mischief makers and placing restrictions on the total numbers
of staff.
Beware of Greeks bearing gifts (especially if you live in Troy) Beware of Yanks bringing democracy
Have caution of NGO's in general, they may not always be what they appear
Good catch, but I'm not sure I agree with your characterization of the NYT as "petty-minded".
It's a semantic cavil, perhaps. I think that an argument can be made that any pejorative
term applied to the NYT poobahs... er, fits.
But I refer you to the Gospel of Edward S. Herman and Noam Chomsky, who masterfully demonstrated
that institutions like the New York Times are essentially organs of authoritarian government,
with the clandestine mission of "manufacturing consent" for the government's policies and programs.
"Petty-minded" implies that the NYT publisher/editors choose to withhold or distort the truth
out of a sort of personal-- perhaps aristocratic-- pique. It's way worse than that; it's a calculated
"business" decision to further their above-cited consent-manufacturing function.
All that said, you could've gone with "evil-minded".
Despite the denials by some Bush administration officials, others who took part in or were
briefed on the discussion said they could not rule out the possibility that the United States
and its allies might have provided secret aid to augment the broad overt support provided to
Iraqi candidates and parties by the State Department, through organizations like the
(Inter)national Democratic Institute
.
In December 2004, IRI contracted with Tony Marsh and Lance Copsey of the media consulting
firm Marsh, Copsey & Scott to set up a Baghdad Media Center on behalf of the U.S. State
Department. Its stated purpose was to assist Iraqi political parties and candidates in the
upcoming January elections.
Earlier that year, in January 2004, Marsh Copsey & Scott (now Marsh Copsey & Associates)
had registered the domain name crushkerry.com , which was used throughout the 2004 election
for an anti-Kerry blog run by their senior account executive,
Patrick Hynes
. The site was heavily involved in promoting both the SwiftBoat Veterans and
CBS Memos stories . It also encouraged readers to suggest other ways of discrediting John
Kerry, and claimed to have inside sources of information on the Kerry campaign.
Outsourcing regime change
IRI was founded in 1983 as the result of a Reagan administration initative to fight
Communism by providing government funding to private groups -- most notably the National Endowment
for Democracy -- that would promote U.S. policies in ways the government could not undertake
directly. In 1991, one of the creators of the NED would be quoted as saying, "a lot of what
we do today was done covertly 25 years ago by the CIA" This initiative led to the creation
of two organizations, the International Republican Institute and the National Democratic Institute,
associated with the two political parties.
Native speakers of English would not say that the New York Propaganda Crimes is not "petty minded"
in the sense of being vindictive but "small minded" in the bland way it makes its report and leaves
it there, in the manner of bureaucrats or those who fulfill the minimum work tasks required of
them and then do no more.
The fact that former US Secretary of State Madeleine Albright is a chair of this National Democratic
Institute probably tells most people with a triple-digit IQ all they need to know and then they
can go away and do their own research.
Incidentally that NYT report was filed by Ivan Nechepurenko who writes for The Moscow Times
(a pro-US newspaper) and who has worked with the Carnegie Moscow Center, another NGO that the
Kremlin should be fixing its sights on.
Comment on previous Obama Doctrine Whitewash thread Geoff # 106 Mar 11, 2016 1:56:01 2016 1:56:01
PM
"The only thing good about the political class perhaps, is that on the whole they keep the
rest of us moving, while simultaneously holding back a better future. Without their class, however,
perhaps we would propegate unimpeded and run out of food supplies."
Geoff,
This is the type of dystopian logic that is utilized at West Point and other War Colleges that
allows them to Manchurian Candidate drone pilots so they can mass murder brown people without
blinking an eye.
For many, if they didn't read about it in the NYT or saw it on Fox news then it never happened.
Combine enough of those missing ITS together and one can see what flavor of reality is being fed
to those that believe the myth of the last sentence.
Its the old Faith thingy, it works until it doesn't. Faith in America is not on the upswing
and is quite close to the tipping point on numerous fronts, ME politics, private finance (Fed,
IMF & World Bank), US Manifest Destiny, etc.
I am encouraged to recently hear David Draiman's (Disturbed) cover of 'Sound of Silence'. I
don't care about his background. I just want to note that, IMO, he upped the in your face aspect
of the message.... ".....People bowed and prayed, to the neon Gods THEY made...."
Just like what happened in Chicago yesterday with shutting down the Trump rally, the energy
level of the complacent is rising.
" ...the energy level of the complacent is rising" is an assumption that cuts both directions.
While it certainly is possible that Americans in general want change, I suspect that what many
want is really a return to the 1950's when the assumption was that we were the winners of a recent
war ... despite the fact that only a few hundred thousand Americans lost their lives defeating
the Japanese and Germany while China lost about 15 million, and the Russians lost around 25 Million.
WWII was simply a war between fascists and not a war against fascism.
The carpet bombing of Dresden and Tokyo, or the threat of being "Hiroshima'd" or "Nagasaki'd"
was the only real post WWII threats we had, and there was really no question we would use them
again.
It is really too bad that the best we Americans stand for is to be oblivious to the real issues
faced by the rest of the world so long as our plutocrats and oligarchs allow us to have some of
the benefits of world domination. /a>
The CIA used to handle all the subversive activities of the US Government abroad until the
Church and Pike commissions opened up that can of worms post-Watergate. The Reagan regime eventually
repackaged the US Government's efforts at subversion of foreign governments at the State Department:
These were apparently modeled on the CIA's efforts, organizations it had founded or subverted
in Germany, during the US' administration of West Germany after WW II:
It amazes me that any nation allows such blatant, political organizations, sponsored from abroad,
to operate within its borders, but ... money talks.
The NYTimes and WaPo are now funny papers, bald propaganda sites posing as newspapers,
and have been since the younger, neo-con Sulzberger took over from his 'liberal' dad at the one,
and since the Amazonian CIA contractor, Bezos, took over the other.
But the NYT writer hides from the readers the fact that the NDI is a U.S. government financed
organization. It is a "nonprofit organization" in the same sense that the U.S. Armed Forces are
a "nonprofit organization".
Posted by b on March 12, 2016 at 12:03 PM
Nailed it, b!
The United States Of AmeriKKKa's raison d'être in two short sentences. Pure genius & effing
brilliant!
@22 pc ' I know that RLS are pretty social democratic, but do they actually take US state dept
money? '
I don't know. I imagine that by now all the German GNGOs are German-government-funded. Just
as are the German and other NATO contingents. Still 'centrally coordinated' though, aren't they?
RLS was among the German political exporters at wikipedia, so I included it as well. Wikipedia
doesn't list the source of their funding, but I imagine they're government funded? A budget of
€44,391,120 in 2012, according to wp.
GNGOs - Government-funded Non-Governmental Organizations - are in every way a contradiction
in terms, and those exporting Government-funded Non-Governmental product ought to be turned around
at the border of any and every other supposedly independent state to which they are sent, as an
obvious infringement of national sovereignty.
" ...the energy level of the complacent is rising"
ISIS and Al Nusra pose at rebelling against their Saudi/CIA masters, and yet through war and
terror do exactly what Saudi/U.S./Israel want them to do.
Black Lives Matter and other identity politics groups pose at rebelling against their MoveOn
and Democratic Party masters, and yet through creation of chaos and 'FEAR OF TRUMP' do exactly
what the Democratic Party and Hillary 2016 want them to do.
Rg an LG @20
I thought where you were going was ... When the previously complacent but now energized are
tightly restricted in what they think is permissible thought, poorly and politically correctly
'educated', and (therefore) easily manipulated, they are as likely to be placated by 'other hatred',
or by imperialist fear-mongering and "Let's have a war!" as by all the good things we wish they'd
fight for.
Simply put, any and all organization pretending to do "good" has actually been infiltrated and
subverted by the PTB. From local NGO's all the way to HRW, USAID, Red Cross, and even UN agencies
like the Minustah who spread cholera to Haiti post-earthquake. But you dont believe in the NWO,
do you? ;) /a>
As the originator of " ...the energy level of the complacent is rising", please notice that I
didn't say what the result would be. I continue to smoke hopium or I would have offed myself long
ago.
i agree with fairleft/28 and Lozion/29 that all the spreading of Democracy since WWII has been
more about empire building with private finance at the core.
The reason we won't see world wide uprisings in the smaller countries is because our organizations
of empire backed by the MIC/NSA/CIA et. al. have eliminated any potential threats, likely in their
youth for decades now.
Again, the ring that rules them all is private finance and those that own that hidden matrix.
lebretteurfredonnant | Mar 12, 2016 11:10:53 PM |
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Great article B
Next to the NED and the IRI, The Open Society of George Soros must be added to the forefront
of Pro Democracy nonprofit group used by The CIA and The deep state and the oligarchs linked to
them.
One thing about all this Russo-phobia is that with the new Russia military dominance all this
habit To scream bloody murder every time Russia does something seems Like water off a duck's back.It
is too late and unless Russia get another Yeltsin or Gorbachev after Putin or the united state
catch up on its military technology we are already living in a new world.The US dominance throughout
the world is over.
This action seems more about Putin's paranoia about internal dissent than the effectiveness of
these pseudo NGO's who can be easily monitored. Russia may have a military backed with Nukes but
their economy is about the size of Mexico so I doubt they will be projecting much military might
for very long.
Putin is apparently settling into his President for Life position and informing the weak opposition
that any dissent will be viewed as foreign interference.
article offers a bit more details, yet still unconfirmed whether it was "shot-down" by rebels
...
Syrian rebels claim to have downed a Syrian air force MiG-21 fighter jet that crashed in
Hama Province while bombing militant positions. At least one pilot died, for which conflicting
reports blame either fire from the ground or a jet malfunction. "The pilot was ejected and
brought to safety in al-Mughayr," a military source told the
Syrian Al Masdar News outlet. The same source insisted that the plane was not taken down
by militants, but crashed due to a technical failure.
Biden Jr's resume is unsurprisingly sprinkled with Ivy-league dust - he is on the
Chairman's Advisory Board for the National Democratic Institute , a director for the Center
for National Policy and the US Global Leadership Coalition comprising 400 American businesses,
NGOs, senior national security and foreign policy experts.
Former US President Bill Clinton appointed him an
Executive
Director of E-Commerce Policy and he was honorary co-chair of the 2008 Obama-Biden Inaugural
Committee.
NED and affiliates: a perpetuum mobile for reapimg benefits from US imperialism!
5;You will be very unhappy;Trump says he's gonna put Jesus back in Xmas!We'll be able to say Merry
Christmas wo getting the haters upset.I didn't see that quote in todays Ziorags though.
The lying times also gets yesterdays weather and sports scores correct,so lets be fair now.
Blaming the violence from outside agitators on Trumps "political arson"is hilarious.Who da Nazis?
Bernie quickly denounced Trumps claim of them being Sanders supporters.He has to eschew that commie
label. Move on .Org has been silent throughout the abysmal Obomba reign.There resurrection as
Trump bashers will be a death knell for the Ziohypocrites who run it.Trump is a direct threat
to the Zionist control of America.Their hair is on fire.
I think what is really happening is the that Trump people are not the complacent,as anyone
fighting his words obviously are stuck in the narrative of BS foisted on US by the global monsters,or
have skin in the illegal immigrant game.
Why are there no protesters at the hell bitches rallies?I mean she is directly responsible
for hundreds of thousands of innocents deaths,division and destruction to rival ww2,while Trump
calls to bring back troops,help the working man,protect and expand SS are protest worthy?All things
they protested under the shrub?Hypocrisy writ large.
21;Wapo was just as bad under the previous owners.
How any nation could trust American based NGOs in this day and age reveals the absolutely
perfidy of the leaders of those nations in allowing it. Payoffs.
I just read that The Donald has been invited and is going to make an appearance at the AIPAC
ring-kissing event toward the end of the month. The Hil and Joe Biden will be there too, of course,
kissing ass for all they're worth ... the only 'logical' thing for Trump to do is to let 'er rip
in opposition. Send his critics in both forks of the War Party around the bend, set his 'loyalists'
... and how many others? ... dancin' in the streets. The AIPAC command performance might be interesting
this year ...
Yeah the WaPo was trash before Bezos ... they played it straight though, tryied to carry
on as a newspaper with a poker face. Now the joker is unmasked. Bezos doesn't even care what people
think. He's laughing ... in print ... at the people who read his rag. \
It is a "nonprofit organization" in the same sense that the U.S. Armed Forces are a "nonprofit
organization".
An excellent description of all US/AngloZionist NGOs
@41 Trump has also stated, given the ISIS situation, he would put 20,000-30,000 US troops in
Iraq/Syria. He doesn't say whether they would be fighting with ISIS or against it.
41;Of course the donald will make nice with the framers of the agenda,or else they'll call in
Mossad to kill him off,or invent memes like HE is the fascist.Sheesh.The crimes of the Hell Bitch
leave one, with the lack of arrows at her huge inviting target suspicious,eh?
AIPAC;Talk bout a foreign NGO and its tax exempt!
Trump is not afraid to talk turkey with these clowns,he's dome it already,with his neutrality
comment.
Over the last 40 years or so it has become unfashionable among the intelligentsia to want Merry
Xmas said.It's the generic happy holidays.
Because the Zionists didn't like it. It's ok for the 60% Israelis to have a Jewish State, but
its not ok for 90%Christian America to have a Christian (nominal)state. And do you know who had
prayer (voluntary)t aken out of schools? Zionists from LI.Nazis. Just like the idiots in Chicago
who gave Sanders a black eye. Soros, the Zionist. Helps Shillary?
Their hypocrisy is breathtaking.
I hate organized religion btw, its all personal. Freedom.
And the FF agreed,by keeping religion far from govt.
[... ]
I imagine all the Pakistanis reading your joke are 'laughing' uproariously.
jfl | Mar 13, 2016 7:54:47 PM | 45
I do not know many Pakistanis but I know some. And in that small sample, some do show a sense
of humor and some do not.
By the way, I actually had hard time understanding if the problem of "Happy Holidays" versus
"Merry Christmas" is totally contrived or not. It reminds me when as a "wee lad" someone stopped
me on the street with a simple question "Where is the store?" "What do you mean, the store?" "Liquor
store, of course!" The point is that when you say "Happy Holidays" in Poland it is an obvious
abbreviation of Holiday of the God's Birth.
And after few months another problem. You can wish "Happy Holidays" once more, but more standard
is "Happy Great Night Holidays" and somewhat rare "Happy Holidays of the Lord's Resurection".
So to people who have a choleric attitude to some variations of the greetings I would wish
"Be yourself! Be grumpy if you wish! No need to be happy!".
"... Their decision whether to resume an interest rate-cutting cycle this week is almost beside the point as the government of Vladimir Putin lubricates the economy in the background with oil wealth amassed in better times. Russian banks are sitting on the most cash in five years, allowing them to lend to each other at a lower rate than they borrow from the central bank. In the euro zone and in the U.S., money market rates are higher than benchmarks. ..."
"... "This amounts to easing of monetary conditions without key rate cuts," said Alina Slyusarchuk, Morgan Stanley's London-based economist for Russia and the Commonwealth of Independent States. ..."
"... Considering US is constantly painting Russia as Satan, surrounds them with nuclear missiles through NATO, tries to economically isolate them from the world's banking system, and politically manipulates their neighboring countries with CIA sponsored coups and revolts Russia shows considerable restraint and resilience. ..."
"... Do not believe everything you hear about these brave leaders and nations standing against US force and controls./ ..."
Russian central bankers have fewer reasons to offer relief to their recession-wracked economy
than you might think.
Their decision whether to resume an interest rate-cutting cycle this week is almost beside
the point as the government of Vladimir Putin lubricates the economy in the background with oil
wealth amassed in better times. Russian banks are sitting on the most cash in five years,
allowing them to lend to each other at a lower rate than they borrow from the central bank. In
the euro zone and in the U.S., money market rates are higher than benchmarks.
"This amounts to easing of monetary conditions without key rate cuts," said Alina Slyusarchuk,
Morgan Stanley's London-based economist for Russia and the Commonwealth of Independent States.
How did this happen? The Finance Ministry transferred 2.6 trillion rubles ($37 billion)
of accumulated oil riches from the $50 billion rainy-day sovereign wealth fund into the economy
last year to cover a fiscal gap. It's budgeting another 2 trillion-ruble drawdown from the
Reserve Fund in 2016. The influx of cash is allowing Russian banks to wean themselves off the
central bank loans they were relying on to help them weather international sanctions. Those
obligations fell to 1.57 trillion rubles as of March 10 from 7.8 trillion rubles at the end of
2014.
Since the Bank of Russia brought its rate-cutting cycle to an end on Sept. 11, the overnight
money-market rate known as Ruonia has detached from central bank benchmarks, falling to 10.83
percent compared with an average 11.17 percent over the past six months.
In contrast to unprecedented stimulus measures by European peers, Russian central bank
governor, Elvira Nabiullina, is expected to leave rates unchanged at 11 percent when she convenes
policy makers Friday. The European Central Bank cut all its rates on March 10 and expanded its
bond buying program by 20 billion euros ($22 billion) to 80 billion euros a month.
Unlike for Mario Draghi, easy conditions pose a threat to Nabiullina's goals. She is still
working to curb inflation of 8.1 percent, twice her medium-term target even after it fell from
almost 17 percent a year ago. The governor is juggling the need to spur an economy that has been
shrinking since the first quarter of 2015 against the risk of runaway inflation. Brent crude,
used to price Russia's main export blend, has averaged $34 per barrel this year compared with an
average $86 the previous decade.
Scorpio
Considering US is constantly painting Russia as Satan, surrounds them with nuclear
missiles through NATO, tries to economically isolate them from the world's banking system, and
politically manipulates their neighboring countries with CIA sponsored coups and revolts
Russia shows considerable restraint and resilience. We still need them for a ride to the
space station.
There are Churches in Russian. They have 10 commandments. They don't obsess over gays,
transexuals, killing unborn children, drugs, and mass marketing alcoholism, drugs, and adultry
through the media.
Maybe they're not so bad. Maybe we just don't like competition selling arms and destruction to
the world. Don't worry. We're still number one.
Calgery
There is a value in devaluation of money. The great example is China where the US is
constantly bit**ing about it. Russia is naturally getting that. Iran fixed its one time oil
depending economy through natural sanction devaluation imposed by the enemies of its
independance and is now in tracks for more exports and relevance with the world economy.
Do not believe everything you hear about these brave leaders and nations standing against US
force and controls./
JohnC
In other words, the vaunted Pen Weapon (signing economic sanctions on Russia) of President
Obama has failed and Vladimir Putin is laughing of the U.S.' 21st century benign weapon it has
ever created...
"... Besides which, it's hard to buy the idea that Gaddafi was "rogue" or " a threat" when both parties named here were "rendering" secret prisoners to him for outsourced torture. ..."
"... There is no honour among thieves, clearly. But it would be folly to depict a squabble among them as a narrative of sinner vs saint... ..."
"... After the cold war, the US and had the chance to lead to a new world order based on democracy and human rights. Yet instead, its politics based became based on bullying and warmongering, and joined by their European allies. As a result we have a world entrenched in chaos and violence. ..."
"... To top it off, there is also their allies, the Saudi and Gulf allies. Therefore, if you want to know how bad the world has become as a result of the US, European and Gulf allies, their hypocrisy, criminal behavior, destruction of countries, and total disregard of international law, all you need to see is the war in Yemen. ..."
"... Imperialism never left,.. The Capitalists are always working at complete control, it has no problem dancing with Dictators and Authoritarian rulers when it suites its purpose. Its just now they appear to be wanting to improve their image by changing their partners who stepped on their toes and Israel's on occasion .. ..."
"... Yes, I will claim it as a U.S. inspired regime change policy, in all those Middle East secular and sovereign countries, by our own beloved War Mongering Nationalistic Neo Cons.. That is already being shown as a complete disaster.. Only 2 million dead so far and just wait until the religious fanatics are in complete control.. ..."
"... "keeping alive the military-industrial lobbies" mmm. An incomplete reading I think. What about oil and gas? Libya is north African richest country if I'm not mistaken ... Is Britain (and France) still trying to get its share there? ..."
"... "Western [ mostly american and british ] warmongering over the past two decades has had nothing to do with the existential defense of territory. "Defense" has become attack, keeping alive the military-industrial lobbies and lumbering military establishments that depend on it." ..."
"... "The result has been mass killing, destruction and migration on a scale not seen, at least outside Africa, since the second world war." ..."
"... The Sykes-Picot agreement was one of the secrets uncovered by the Russian Revolution: it was in the files of the newly-overthrown government, and promptly publicized by the Bolsheviks, along with lots of other documents relating to imperialist secret diplomacy. Sound familiar? ..."
"... The interventionist model that the West has carried out recently is really an extension of the old colonialism in a different guise. In the olden days, the excuse was to spread Western civilization and Christianity to the world living in backwardness. In the modern era, it's democracy. Unfortunately democracy cannot be installed by force. Even if the people of the country being invaded wanted it, the opportunists (either among them or the outsiders) would find ways to exploit the chaos for their own benefits. We have seen different forms of such evolution in Libya, Egypt, Syria, Iraq. ..."
"... The CIA funded and trained the Mujahideen in Afghanistan, to fight the Russians, just as they backed Saddam against Iran. And the US has been mucking about in the Middle East since the 50s, the Brits since the late 19th century. Yours is a very selective reading of history. ..."
"... No, small groups of people with their own particular interests "begged for help." The "Arab Spring" was a Western media confection used to justify Western intervention to get rid of Gaddafi and Assad. Worked with Gaddafi, Assad not so well. ..."
"... You forget who triggered the French intervention. Another neo-con working for Israel. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/02/world/africa/02levy.html?_r=2 ..."
"... Israel does not want a functioning Arab State left in the Middle-East. ..."
"... It's like the Soviet Union invading the US because a few militiamen holed up in a wildlife refuge in Oregon. The neo-con press feeds us this propaganda and the willing idiots lap it up and deny responsibility when everything falls apart. ..."
"... Jihad Dave is supporting islamist maniacs in Libya and Syria. He succeeded in Libya, along with the ludicrous Sarkozy clown, but Russia and Iran have stood up to the plate in Syria. ..."
"... However much we might sympathise with fellow human beings living under brutal dictators and governments, a country can only really progress from within. Certainly, dialogue, sanctions and international cooperation can help foster change, but ultimately countries must want to change. ..."
"... No, Gaddafy's crime was actually to spend the bulk of Libya's oil revenues on useless things such as schools, hospitals, housing and subsidised food when that money could have been flowing into the pockets of the West. ..."
"... Taliban has been trained in the Saudi religious schools in Pakistan. Wahhabism is the official ideology of Saudi Arabia. 10 out of 11 terrorists 9/11 were the Saudis. All the Islamic terror in the last two decades was sponsored by the Saudis, including ISIS. ..."
"... Bosnia - a slow ticking bomb. Just bubbling under the surface. Kosovo - a mafia state run by drug lord Thaci, supported by the US. It is no secret that the main source of income in Kosovo today is drugs, prostitution, organ trafficking. ..."
"... There are no winners or losers in Iraq, everyone lost. Not a single group benefited from that western backed regime change, same in Libya and Syria. ..."
"... The US empire blew up Libya with some help from it's puppets, Sarkozy and Cameron. 100% imperialism. ..."
"... The USA - and its mini-me, the UK - have so blatantly bombed societies, manipulated governments and undermined social change in so many parts of the world that their trading positions are under real threat from emerging economic powers. ..."
"... Yes, Obama shows himself for the buffoon he really is. ..."
"... I, however, would caution against thinking the US led Neoliberal Empire of the Exceptionals is weakening. Its economic hegemony is almost complete only China and Russia remaining, and Obama with his "Pivot to Asia" (TM) has them surrounded and all set up for the female Chaney - Clinton the warmonger to get on with it. ..."
"... The Empire will only get more and more brutal - it has absolutely no concern for human life or society - power over the globe as the Pentagon phrases it: "Global full spectrum domination" don't kid yourself they are going all out to reach their goal and a billion people could be killed - the Empire would say - so what, it was in our strategic interest. ..."
"... Very well put, Sir. Obama's self-serving statement is borderline stupid. I constantly wonder why I voted for him twice. His Deep State handlers continue from the Bush period and having installed their coterie of right-wing extremists from Hillary to the Directors of the CIA, FBI, NSA, DOD, ad nauseum Obama has not had the courage at any point to admit not only the "mess" he makes, but the he is a captive mess of the shadow government. ..."
"... Your comment is so stereotyped: when British aggression or war crimes are involved, every excuse is trundle out, every nuance examined, every extenuating circumstance and of course there is always a convenient statute of limitations. But when others are involved, specifically America and Israel, the same Guardian readers allow no excuses or nuances and every tiny detail going back hundreds of years is repeatedly and thoroughly examined. ..."
"... Smith was murdered by extremists that took over Libya precisely because the death of Gadaffi left a dangerous power vacuum. The US aided and abetted certain groups, weapons found their way to the worse groups and Smith, a brave man, was his own country's victim in one sense. Hilary Clinton who should have known better publicly gloated over Gadaffi's death. Since his death the victimisation of black Libyans and other black Africans has become common, Libya has been overrun by extremists, and as we write is being used as a conduit for uncontrolled entry into Europe. ..."
"... The biggest unanswered and puzzling question, is that of how could Obama have expected or assumed that Britain and France would have stayed behind and clean up the mess they and the Americans have made of Libya? Why did the Americans resolved to play only the part of 'hired guns' to go in and blitzed the Libyan Government and its armed forces, and neglected to learn the lesson of planning what should follow after the destruction? ..."
"... The argument that the Americans had assumed that France and Britain would clean up the euphemistic mess has little or no credibility, since all three countries had been very clear about not wanting American, British and French 'boots on the ground.' ..."
"... "The result has been mass killing, destruction and migration on a scale not seen, at least outside Africa, since the second world war." ..."
"... We bombed in support of competing Jihadis groups, bandits and local war Lords then our well laid plans for a Utopian peace were thwarted because of the unforeseen chaos created as the Militias we gave close airsupport to fought over the spoils. ..."
"... We should remember that we funded the terrorists in Libya and then sent weapons to ISIS from Libya to Syria that is we again used Al Qaeda as a proxy force. We then again used the "threat" from the proxy forces i,e. Al Qaeda to justify mass surveillance of the general population. ..."
"... Of its 237 years of existence it has been at war or cold war for 222 of those years. ..."
"... NATO is behind ISIS and the wars in Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Chechen, Afghanistan, Libya and Ukraine. ..."
"... Jane they didn't "come apart" and Libya and Syria were the most stable and least under the thumb of radicals. Syria had equality and education for women who could wear whatever they wanted. Furthermore they did not fall apart they were attacked by the largest military forces in the world excluding Russia. NATO sent in special operations forces to destabilise the government. They along with Al Nusra and other violent Wahabi terrorists attacked police and army barracks, and when Assads police and military hit back it was presented by the Western media and propagandists as an attack on the people of Syria. Do you think any other country would allow terrorists to attack police and other public institutions without retaliating and restoring order. ..."
"... Many people who do not accept the Western medias false reporting at face value know that the wars in Syria were about changing the leaders and redrawing national boundaries to isolate Iran and sideline Russian influence. It was and is an illegal war and it was the barbarity of our Western leaders that caused the terrible violence. It was a pre planned plan and strategy outlined in the US Special Forces document below. http://nsnbc.me/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/special-forces-uw-tc-18-01.pdf ..."
"... In the Libyan case, it was a clear US strategy to put in the forefront their English and French valets, in a coup (euphemistically called "regime change") wanted by them. The nobel peace winner got some nerves to put the blame on his accomplices for the chaos in Libya, while the permanent objective of the US is to divide and conquer, sowing chaos wherever it occurs: Afghanistan, Sudan, Iraq, Syria. Also Hillary is no stranger to the actions in Libya. ..."
"... Simon Jenkins, don't pretend you were against American punitive expeditions around the world to overthrow third world dictators. You worked from the same neo-con ideological script to defend the ultra-liberal, military industrial economy; scare mongering in the pages of the Guardian, as far back as I can remember. You lot are as totally discredited as Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield and American Nato toadies. ..."
"... Libya , Ukraine ,Syria have had the same recipe of de-stabilisation by the US and NATO. The so called popular rebels were in fact CIA trained and financed. Jihadist in Libya and Syria and neo-Nazis in Ukraine. After completing regime change in Libya as planned ,the Jihadist, with their looted arms were transferred to Syria and renamed ISIS. ISIS is Washingtons Foreign Legion army, used as required for their Imperial ends. Renamed as required on whichever territory they operate ..."
"... Cameron has been given a free pass on Libya. It really is quite astonishing. The man has turned a functioning society into a jihadi infested failed state which is exporting men and weapons across North Africa and down the Sahara and now serves as a new front line for ISIS ..."
"... Attacking Libya and deposing Gaddafi was down to enforcing the R2P doctrine on the pretext of "stopping another Rwanda". But it was a pretext. Islamist rebels attacked the armouries within Libya and the Libyans had every right to try and put down the rebellion. Samantha Powers et al were the war mongers. ..."
"... The 2011 regime change shenanigans of the west against Libya is colonialism at its worst from all the parties who instigated it. The aftermath, the resultant mayhem and chaos, was in itself adding insult to injury. Gaddafi was no saint, but the militias, Muslim Brotherhood and ISIS now running rampant in the country are infinitely worse. This is a war crime of the first magnitude and no effort should be spared to address it ..."
"... The west who has assassinated or organised coups against democratically elected secular leaders who didn't give us their natural resources (eg iran) and installed brutal, clepto dictatorships who also take part in plundering the resources leaving the general population poor, uneducated and susceptible to indoctrination from Islamists. ..."
So
Barack Obama thinks Britain in 2011 left Libya in chaos – and besides it does not pull its weight
in the world. Britain thinks that a bit rich, given the shambles America left in Iraq. Then both
sides say sorry. They did not mean to be rude.
Thus do we wander across the ethical wasteland of the west's wars of intervention. We blame and
we name-call. We turn deaf ears to the cries of those whose lives we have destroyed. Then we kiss
and make up – to each other.
Obama was right first time round about Libya's civil war. He wanted to keep out. As
he recalls to the Atlantic magazine , Libya was "not so at the core of US interests that it makes
sense for us to unilaterally strike against the Gaddafi regime". He cooperated with Britain and France,
but on the assumption that David Cameron would clear up the resulting mess. That did not happen because
Cameron had won his Falklands war and could go home crowing.
Obama is here describing all the recent "wars of choice".
America had no "core interest" in Afghanistan or Iraq, any more than Britain had in
Libya . When a state attacks
another state and destroys its law and order, morally it owns the mess. There is no such thing as
imperialism-lite. Remove one fount of authority and you must replace and sustain another, as Europe
has done at vast expense in Bosnia and Kosovo.
America and Britain both attacked countries in the Middle East largely to satisfy the machismo
and domestic standing of two men, George Bush and Tony Blair. The result has been mass killing, destruction
and migration on a scale not seen, at least outside Africa, since the second world war. In this despicable
saga, Cameron's Libyan venture was a sideshow, though one that has destabilised north
Africa and may yet turn it
into another Islamic State caliphate. It is his Iraq.
As for Obama's charge that Britain and other countries are not pulling their weight and are "free
riders" on American defence spending, that too deserves short shrift.
British and French military expenditure is proportionately among the highest in the world, mostly
blown on archaic weapons and archaic forms of war. Western warmongering over the past two decades
has had nothing to do with the existential defence of territory. "Defence" has become attack, keeping
alive the military-industrial lobbies and lumbering military establishments that depend on it.
Meanwhile the bonds between America and Britain will continue to strengthen. They do so, against
all the odds, because they grow from one culture and one outlook on life. That mercifully has nothing
to do with politicians.
I'm stunned that Obama has been able to get away with his absolutely abysmal record with foreign
policy. Libya was a complete disaster and there is evidence to suggest that Libya was a much better
place under Gaddafi. And the fact that once they were in Iraq (something started by his predecessor)
he wasn't committed to bringing about serious change, thus leaving a giant vacuum which, coincided
with the Syrian Civil War, has now been filled by ISIS.
That's not even talking about the Iran deal, Benghazi and the disastrous "Bring Back our Girls"
campaign.
"People find it very hard," said Iman Fannoush, with her two children in tow and a husband
she knows not where. "They are up all night shooting because of good news. We hear the UN is
coming to help us or our fighters have taken Brega or the air strikes have destroyed Gaddafi's
tanks. Then everyone is afraid again when they hear Gaddafi's army is coming and they all want
to know where is France, where are the air strikes, why is the west abandoning us?
We are grateful for the role played by the international community in protecting the Libyan
people; Libyans will never forget those who were our friends at this critical stage and will
endeavour to build closer relations with those states on the basis of our mutual respect and
common interests. However, the future of Libya is for the Libyans alone to decide. We cannot
compromise on sovereignty or allow others to interfere in our internal affairs, position themselves
as guardians of our revolution or impose leaders who do not represent a national consensus.
Hilsum gives a riveting account of the battle for Tripoli, with activists risking their lives
to pass intelligence to Nato, whose targeting – contrary to regime propaganda – was largely
accurate, and too cautious for many Libyans.
The UN security council authorised action to protect Libyan civilians from the Gaddafi regime
but Russia, China and other critics believe that the western alliance exceeded that mandate
and moved to implement regime change.
Libya's Arab spring was a bloody affair, ending with the killing of Gaddafi, one of the world's
most ruthless dictators. His death saw the rebel militias turn on each other in a mosaic of
turf wars. Full-scale civil war came last summer, when Islamist parties saw sharp defeats in
elections the United Nations had supervised, in the hope of bringing peace to the country.
Islamists and their allies rebelled against the elected parliament and formed the Libya Dawn
coalition, which seized Tripoli. The new government fled to the eastern city of Tobruk and
fighting has since raged across the country.
With thousands dead, towns smashed and 400,000 homeless, the big winner is Isis, which has
expanded fast amid the chaos. Egypt, already the chief backer of government forces, has now
joined a three-way war between government, Libya Dawn and Isis.
It is all a long way from the hopes of the original revolutionaries. With Africa's largest
oil reserves and just six million people to share the bounty, Libya in 2011 appeared set for
a bright future. "We thought we would be the new Dubai, we had everything," says a young activist
who, like the student, prefers not to give her name. "Now we are more realistic."
Perpetually engineered destabilization is highly lucrative and has been for 200 years, but I don't
know what's Central or Intelligent about it......except for a tiny handful at the top globally.
On balance, is Libya worse off now than it would have been, had Gaddaffi been allowed free
rein in Benghazi?
No-one can possibly know the answer to that, certainly not Mr Jenkins.
Clearly it was a dictatorship like say Burma is today.....but....from an economic point of
view, it was like the Switzerland of Africa. And actually tons of European companies had flocked
over there to set up shop. In contrast to now where its like the Iraquistan of Africa. No contest
in the comparison there...
Besides which, it's hard to buy the idea that Gaddafi was "rogue" or " a threat" when both
parties named here were "rendering" secret prisoners to him for outsourced torture.
There is no honour among thieves, clearly. But it would be folly to depict a squabble among
them as a narrative of sinner vs saint...
After the cold war, the US and had the chance to lead to a new world order based on democracy
and human rights. Yet instead, its politics based became based on bullying and warmongering, and
joined by their European allies. As a result we have a world entrenched in chaos and violence.
To top it off, there is also their allies, the Saudi and Gulf allies. Therefore, if you
want to know how bad the world has become as a result of the US, European and Gulf allies, their
hypocrisy, criminal behavior, destruction of countries, and total disregard of international law,
all you need to see is the war in Yemen.
Imperialism never left,.. The Capitalists are always working at complete control, it has no
problem dancing with Dictators and Authoritarian rulers when it suites its purpose. Its just now
they appear to be wanting to improve their image by changing their partners who stepped on their
toes and Israel's on occasion ..
Yes, I will claim it as a U.S. inspired regime change policy, in all those Middle East secular
and sovereign countries, by our own beloved War Mongering Nationalistic Neo Cons.. That is already
being shown as a complete disaster.. Only 2 million dead so far and just wait until the religious
fanatics are in complete control..
Yep, many pictures, as there always are with media confections. Remember the footage of Saddam's
statue being torn down in front of a huge crowd? It was only months later we saw the wide angle
shot that showed just how few people there really were there.
These US and UK involvement in the ME are matters of official record; are you really denying the
CIA trained the Mujahideen, or that both the UK and US propped up Saddam? Even Robert Fisk acknowledges
that! And please, don't patronise me. You have no idea what I've read or haven't.
......c'mon, the powers behind the powers intentionally engineer mid-East destabilization to keep
the perpetual war pumping billions to the ATM's in their living rooms; then, on top of it, they
send the bill to average joe's globally; when is this farce going to be called out ?
It is completely illogical, can't stand even eye tests, yet continues like an emperor with
new clothes in our face.
"keeping alive the military-industrial lobbies" mmm. An incomplete reading I think. What about
oil and gas? Libya is north African richest country if I'm not mistaken ... Is Britain (and France)
still trying to get its share there?
"Western [ mostly american and british ] warmongering over the past two decades has
had nothing to do with the existential defense of territory. "Defense" has become attack, keeping
alive the military-industrial lobbies and lumbering military establishments that depend on it."
"The result has been mass killing, destruction and migration on a scale not seen, at least
outside Africa, since the second world war."
The Sykes-Picot agreement was one of the secrets uncovered by the Russian Revolution: it was
in the files of the newly-overthrown government, and promptly publicized by the Bolsheviks, along
with lots of other documents relating to imperialist secret diplomacy. Sound familiar?
The interventionist model that the West has carried out recently is really an extension of
the old colonialism in a different guise. In the olden days, the excuse was to spread Western
civilization and Christianity to the world living in backwardness. In the modern era, it's democracy.
Unfortunately democracy cannot be installed by force. Even if the people of the country being
invaded wanted it, the opportunists (either among them or the outsiders) would find ways to exploit
the chaos for their own benefits. We have seen different forms of such evolution in Libya, Egypt,
Syria, Iraq.
Get your facts right. Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan were all states that crumbled after
the demise of the USSR.
Bullshit. The CIA funded and trained the Mujahideen in Afghanistan, to fight the Russians,
just as they backed Saddam against Iran. And the US has been mucking about in the Middle East
since the 50s, the Brits since the late 19th century. Yours is a very selective reading of history.
No, small groups of people with their own particular interests "begged for help." The "Arab
Spring" was a Western media confection used to justify Western intervention to get rid of Gaddafi
and Assad. Worked with Gaddafi, Assad not so well.
this might answer your question. Syria has suffered for its geography since it was artificially
created by the Sykes Picot agreement at the end of the Ottoman Empire.
"Libyan rebels are secularists, want unified country
Gardels: If the French aim is successful and Qaddafi falls, who are the rebels the West is
allying with? Secularists? Islamists? And what do they want?
Levy: Secularists. They want a unified Libya whose capital will remain Tripoli and whose government
will be elected as a result of free and transparent elections. I am not saying that this will
happen from one day to the next, and starting on the first day. But I have seen these men enough,
I have spoken with them enough, to know that this is undeniably the dream, the goal, the principle
of legitimacy.
It's like the Soviet Union invading the US because a few militiamen holed up in a wildlife
refuge in Oregon. The neo-con press feeds us this propaganda and the willing idiots lap it up
and deny responsibility when everything falls apart.
Britain started the mess in the Middle-East with the Balfour declaration and the theft of Palestinian
land to create an illegal Jewish state. Europe should pay massive reparations of money and equivalent
land in Europe for the Palestinian refugees living in squalid camps. Neo-con Jews who lobbied
for the Iraq, Syria and Libyan wars should have their wealth confiscated to pay for the mess they
created. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/02/world/africa/02levy.html?_r=2
Jihad Dave is supporting islamist maniacs in Libya and Syria. He succeeded in Libya, along
with the ludicrous Sarkozy clown, but Russia and Iran have stood up to the plate in Syria.
Presumably he's going down the Blair/Clinton route of cosying up to Middle Eastern Supremacist
Cults in the hope that he can increase his income by tens of millions within the next 10 years.
There can be no other explanation for his actions, that have never had anything whatsoever to
do with the interests of either Britain or the wider European community.
For me, the bottom line is that, however much might like to believe it, military intervention
does not create nice, liberal, secular democracies. These can only be fostered from within.
However much we might sympathise with fellow human beings living under brutal dictators
and governments, a country can only really progress from within. Certainly, dialogue, sanctions
and international cooperation can help foster change, but ultimately countries must want to change.
The military, under the instruction of politicians, of the West should be pro-defence but anti-regime
change or "nation building".
I'm not suggesting a completely isolationist position, but offensive military action should
be seen as a last resort.
Mr Jenkins is a knowledgeable man but should've thought through this a bit more before so casually
associating death and destruction and misery with Africa.
China's cultural revolution and the Great Leap Forward alone killed and displaced more people
after the second world war than all the conflicts in Africa put together. How about the break
up of India in 1947? Korean War?
But no when he thought about misery Africa popped into his mind..
Meanwhile the bonds between America and Britain will continue to strengthen. They do so,
against all the odds, because they grow from one culture and one outlook on life. That mercifully
has nothing to do with politicians.
One culture?
One outlook?
Sounds all very Soviet.
So, all Enlightened souls are reduced to a monoculture, within the Anglo American Empire.
Obama is a bill of goods. The Voters that choose him thought that they were getting a progressive,
Obama used the reverend
Wright to make himself seem like a man committed to radical change, but behind Obama was Chicago
investment banker Louis Susman (appointed ambassador to Britain).
Obama, a Harvard law professor, is the choice of the bankers, he does not play a straight bat,
all the wars and killing are someone else's fault. Banking wanted rid of Gaddafi since he threatened
the dollar as the reserve currency (as did Dominique Strauss-Kahn) as does the Euro, Obama let
Cameron think he was calling the shots but he was just Obama's beard. Obama is nothing if not
cunning, when he says stay in Europe but the Elites of the Tory party are pushing for out guess
what, they got the nod from Obama and the Banks.
So? All the numbers in the world can't undo Jenkins' thesis: there is no imperialism-lite. Imperialist
wars are imperialist wars no matter how many die, and whether chaos, or neo-colonial rule follow.
In his interview, Obama claims a more deliberate, opaque, and efficient war machine. To him, and
his conscience, John Brennan, these metrics add up to significant moral milestones. To us innumerates,
it's just more imperialist b.s.
Gadaffy had since long planned to free his country and other African states from the yoke of being
forced to trade within the American dollar sphere. He was about to lance his thoroughy well prepared
alternative welcomed not the least by the Chinese when Libya was attacked. Obama is not truthful
when suggesting the attack was not a "core" interest to the US. It was of supreme interest for
the US to appear with its allies, Gadaffy´s independence of mind being no small challenge.
Gadafy may have been particularly nasty with dissidents, but the UK has plenty of allies in the
Muslim world that are far worse: Saudi Arabia, Bahrain... The Gulf States work their imported
slaves to death and the UK kowtows to them. The UK has supplied billions of pounds worth of weapons
to Saudi Arabia and sent military advisors to advise them how to use them to bomb Yemeni schools
and hospitals.
No, Gaddafy's crime was actually to spend the bulk of Libya's oil revenues on useless things
such as schools, hospitals, housing and subsidised food when that money could have been flowing
into the pockets of the West.
Kosovo is also mentioned. There was a relatively low-level conflict (much like the Northern
Ireland 'troubles') there until NATO started bombing and then oversaw the massive ethnic cleansing
of Kosovo Serbs from their homeland (Serbs are the most ethnically-cleansed group in the former
Yugoslavia: around 500,000 refugees).
Yugoslavia's real crime? It was the last country in Europe to refuse the market economy and
the hegemony of Western banks and corporates.
The message is, 'Accept capitalism red in tooth or claw, or we'll bomb the crap out of you.'
Did the attack on Afghanistan improve the situation? Perhaps temporarily in the cities, some things
got a little better as long as you weren't shot or blown up. Over the country as a whole, it made
the situation much worse.
I remember John Simpson crowing that the Western invaders had freed Afghanistan when they entered
Kabul. My reaction at the time was, 'Well, the Soviets had no problem holding the cities. Wait
until you step outside them.' There followed many years of war achieving pretty much nothing except
to kill a lot of people and get recruits flocking to the Taliban.
It seemed we had learned absolutely nothing from the British and Soviet experiences.
And you seem to have forgotten the multitude of US terror attacks on Muslims before the Afghan
invasion, repackaged for our media as 'targeted attacks with collateral damage'. Bombing aspirin
factories and such. And the First Gulf War. And US bases occupying the region. And the fact that
the situation in Afghanistan was due to the Americans and Saudis having showered weapons and cash
on anyone who was fighting the Soviets, not giving a damn about their aims. Bin Laden, for instance.
And one aspect of law and order under the Taliban was that they virtually stopped opium production.
After the invasion, it rose again to dizzying heights.
The only way to deal with countries such as Afghanistan as it returns to its default system,
along with other, more aggressive rogue states such as Saudi Arabia, is to starve them of all
weapons and then let their peoples sort it out. It may take a long time but it's the sole possibility.
As long as we keep pouring weapons into the Middle East for our own shameful purposes, the
apocalypse will continue.
Reading this excellent article one wonders how the war criminal Blair can be offered any peace-keeping
role in the world or continue to get any air or press time.
Taliban has been trained in the Saudi religious schools in Pakistan. Wahhabism is the official
ideology of Saudi Arabia. 10 out of 11 terrorists 9/11 were the Saudis. All the Islamic terror
in the last two decades was sponsored by the Saudis, including ISIS.
Bosnia - a slow ticking bomb. Just bubbling under the surface. Kosovo - a mafia state run
by drug lord Thaci, supported by the US. It is no secret that the main source of income in Kosovo
today is drugs, prostitution, organ trafficking. Tear gas in Parliament for the third time
in as many months. While the squares full of unemployed young and old are adorned with statues
of those that gave them this opportunity Tony Blair and Bill Clinton were popular but I think
their halos are tarnished somewhat. The situation is so serious that the US is beefing up its
presence in camp Bondsteel but you won't read about it in the Guardian.
when British aggression or war crimes are involved, every excuse is trundle out, every nuance
examined, every extenuating circumstance and of course there is always a convenient statute
of limitations
So true . "Oh, oh, but the Spanish/Mongols/Romans etc etc", "Oh, like they were all
so peaceful before Empire came along", "Oh, but but" (ad infinitum).
The bonds between America and Britain will continue to strengthen? Here's hoping. The neo-con
cum neo-ultra liberal dream keeps on giving. Even after Brexit, Britain remains America's poodle
at its peril. The rest of the article is right, but by now accepted wisdom amongst those capable
of independent and rational thought.
Here we go again, off course next phase is the "enlightment" in Al-Andalus...
1. Conflict between sunni and shiites has been dormant for decades. Saudi Arabias promotion
of Wahhabism has awoken it again, along with the catalyst for the recent bloodshed, the invasion
of Iraq. That placed it back in the hands of the majority Shia and upset radical sunnis (eg
the Saudis).
Wahabism grew because of the oil export from Saudi Arabia which started way before World war II.
Bollocks, there was a short period of calm while Europe defeated the Ottoman empire , but the
Mughal empire took great pleasure in slaughtering shiites, and the Ottoman empire had huge conflicts
with the Safavid empire.
2. Pogroms were common against Jews in Europe and Europe has a far worse history of treating
Jews than Muslims ever had. The "golden age of Judaism" in Europe was under Muslim rule in
Spain. Need I mention that the Holocaust was perpetrated by European Christians?
He-he, the fabulous golden age which is always mentioned, no doubt they were golden at that
time compared to Europe, but to compare it today, it would be like living in Nazi Germany as a
Jew before the Nürnberg laws were implemented.
Would you like to pay a special non-muslim tax, step aside when a Muslim passed the street,
be unable to claim any high positions in society to due to your heritage?
3. Didnt forget. the USSR didnt hand them chemical weapons though. That would be the West.
And it wasnt Russia who invaded Iraq later over the scam that they had WMDs.
The Iran-Iraq war made the millions of dead possible primarily due to Soviet equipment, Halabja
killed 5000. No, Russia prefered Chechnya and directly killed 300.000 civilians with the Grad
bombings of cities and villages, whereas the casualties in Iraq primarily can be contributed to
sectional violence.
4. I think you are forgetting Mossadeq in Iran in the 50s. Nasser in Egypt and any Pan-Arab
group that was secular in nature. Pan-Arabism is now dead and radical Islamism is alive and
well thanks to our lust for control over the region.
None of the mentioned were prime examples of democracy, Nasser for example had no problems in
eliminating the Muslim brotherhood or killing 10s of thousands of rebels and civilians in Yemen
with mustard gas.
Obama's remark that the Europeans and Gulf States "detested" Gaddafi and wanted to get rid of
him while others had "humanitarian concerns" is of interest. It's unlikely the Arabs had humanitarian
concerns in all the circumstances; they just wanted Regime Change. It is the lethal combination
of Gulf Arabs and Neo-colonial France and Britain that has driven the Syrian war too- and continues
to do so. No wonder America claims these countries enthuse about war until it comes and then expect
them to fight it. France currently demands the surrender of Assad and for Russia to "leave the
country immediately". Britain says there can be no peace while he remains and that Russia's "interference"
is helping IS.
It's your prerogative whether or not you believe that the US and NATO intervene in countries based
on moral grounds. But if you do want to delude yourself, remember that they only intervene in
countries where they can make money off resources, like Libya and Iraq's oil revenues. If it were
about morality, don't you think NATO and the West would have rushed to help Rwanda during the
genocide?
There are no winners or losers in Iraq, everyone lost. Not a single group benefited from that
western backed regime change, same in Libya and Syria. You do not win when your situation
is worse than it was before Saddam. You can't be a winner when you life in generally worse off
than it was before. basically there is no rule of law now in these nations. Saddam was no monster
like you want to portray him.
Actually, some of those Latin American governments we overthrew were indeed liberal democracies.
As for Canada, there are several reasons we haven't invaded. Too big, too sparse too white...and
economically already a client state. Of course, we did try once: the War of 1812.
"When the same leaders did initially stand aside (as in Syria) "
They didn't stand aside though, they helped create the trouble in the first place, as too with
Libya; gather intelligence to find out who will take up arms, fund, train and give them promises,
get them to organize and attack, then when the dictator strikes back the press swing into action
to tell us all how much of a horrible bastard he is(even though we've been supporting and trading
with him for eons), ergo, we have to bomb him! It's HUMANITARIAN! Not. It would be conquest though.
Frightening.
Obama has done everything in his power to morph into Bush including hiring a flaming chicken hawk
in Ash Carter to play the role of Dick Cheyney. Bush left us with Iraq and Afghanistan, to which
Obama added Egypt with the overthrow of the Muslim Brotherhood, Libya, Syria and Yemen. He also
restarted the Cold War with Russia. He is now going after China for building islands in the South
China Sea, a disputed area, something he as well as other Presidents before him has allowed Israel
to build settlements on disputed land for the past fifty years and throughthrough $ 3.5 billion
in gifts annually, has provided for enough concrete to cover all the land the Palestinians live
on.
The 3.5 billion annually will increase by $40 billion over ten years, unless Netanyahu gets
the increase he wants to 15 billion per year. So Obama must settle on a legacy which makes him
both a warmonger and one of the very best arms dealer in the world. His family must be so proud.
To be a humanitarian intervention, a military intervention has to avoid causing regime collapse,
because people will die because of regime collapse. This is an elementary point that the political
class appears not to want to learn.
I agree with your analysis except the last paragraph. Pretty much in all interventions that
we have witnessed, the political class deliberately caused the regimes to collapse. That was always
the primary goal. Humanitarian intervention were never the primary, secondary or even tertiary
objective.
If the political class want to do some humanitarian interventions, they can always start with
Boko Haram in Nigeria.
America had no "core interest" in Afghanistan or Iraq
The USA was enforcing the UN blockade of Iraq, and had massive forces in place to do it. It was
costing a fortune and there were regular border skirmishes taking place. It has been suggested
that Bush and his advisors thought that they could take out Saddam and then pull all their forces
back to the US. They won't admit it now because of the disaster that unfolded afterwards.
Another good piece. What about all the weapons we sold Israel after they started their recent
slaughter in Gaza and the selling of weapons to Saudi Arabia for use in Yemen (one of the poorest
country's in the world) says everything you need to know about the tory party. They are sub humans
and as such should be treated like dirt. I don't believe in the concept of evil...all a bit religious
for me but if I did, it's what they are.
It astonishes me that these great men and women-I include Sec'y Clinton here-give no indication
that their calculations were made without the slightest knowledge of the countries they were preparing
to attack in one way or another. From what one read in the long NYTimes report on preparations
for the Libyan intervention, the participants in the planning knew a great deal about military
matters and less about Libya than they could have found out in a few minutes with Wikipedia. Tribal
societies are different from western societies, dear people, and you damn well should have known
that.
Honduras. The USA backed the coup there. Honduras is now run by generals and is the world's murder
capital. I could go on, jezzam. Please read William Blum's books on US foreign policy. They provide
evidence that the US record is not good.
Without the US the UK and France couldn't have overthrown Gaddafi. The jihadis would have been
killed or fled Libya. I don't believe any post-Gaddafi plan existed. Why would there have been
one? Killing Gaddafi was the war's aim. A western puppet strong man leader grabbing power would
have been icing on the cake of course but why would the US care about Libya once Gaddafi was gone?
Well, Cameron just followed Obama's 'regime change' bad ideas.
Obama is a failed leader of the World who made our lives so much worse.
Obama likes to entertain recently, so after his presidency the best job for him is a clown in
a circus.
We will never know why Stevens and the others were killed.
Absent reliable information, everyone is free to blame whomever they dislike most.
Based on zero non-partisan information, Hillary is the media's top choice for Big Villain.
She may in fact be more responsible than most for this horror, but she may not be too.
Who ya gonna ask: the CIA, the Pentagon, Ted Cruz?
It seems everyone who's ever even visited Washington,D.C., has some anonymous inside
source that proves Hillary did it.
To hear the GOP tell it, she flew to Libya secretly and shot Stevens herself
just because she damn well felt it, o kay -- (female troubles)
My question is: Where has US/Euro invasion resulted in a better government for all those
Middle Eastern people we blasted to bits of blood and bone? How's Yemen doin' these days?
Hope Europe enjoys assimilating a few million people who share none of Europe's customs,
values or languages.
I'm sure euro-businesses would never hire the new immigrants instead of union-backed
locals.
Why, that would almost be taking advantage of a vast reservoir of ultra-cheap labor!
Nor will the sudden ocean of euro-a-day workers undercut unions or wages in the EU. No siree,
not possible.
Just like unions have not been decimated, and wages have not stagnated in the US since 1980
or so. No siree. Not in Europe .
jezzam writes, "the dictator starts massacring hundreds of thousands of his own civilians." But
he didn't. Cameron lied.
The rebellion against Gaddafi began in February 2011. The British, French and US governments
intervened on their usual pretext of protecting civilians. The UN said that 1,000-2,000 people
had been killed before the NATO powers attacked.
Eight months later, after the NATO attack, 30,000 people had been killed and 50,000 wounded
(National Transitional Council figures).
Cameron made the mess; Cameron caused the vast refugee crisis. The NATO powers are getting
what they want – the destruction of any states and societies that oppose their rule, control over
Africa's rich resources. Libya is now plagued by "relentless warfare where competing militias
compete for power while external accumulators of capital such as oil companies can extract resources
under the protection of private military contractors."
any state that wishes to be taken seriously as a player on the world stage
The classic phrase of imperialism - an attitude that seems to believe any nation has the right
to interfere in, or invade, other countries'.
Usually done under some pretence of moral superiority - it used to be to 'bring the pagans to
God', these days more 'they're not part of our belief system'. In fact, it only really happens
when the imperial nations see the economic interests of their ruling class come under threat.
The USA - and its mini-me, the UK - have so blatantly bombed societies, manipulated governments
and undermined social change in so many parts of the world that their trading positions are under
real threat from emerging economic powers.
The two that they are most scared of are Russia and China, who combined can offer the capital
and expertise to replace the old US / European axis across Africa, for instance. The war is already
being fought on many fronts, as
this article makes clear.
Yes, Obama shows himself for the buffoon he really is. Clinton had it right when the
going gets tough Obama gives a speech (see Cairo).
I, however, would caution against thinking the US led Neoliberal Empire of the Exceptionals
is weakening. Its economic hegemony is almost complete only China and Russia remaining, and Obama
with his "Pivot to Asia" (TM) has them surrounded and all set up for the female Chaney - Clinton
the warmonger to get on with it.
The Empire will only get more and more brutal - it has absolutely no concern for human
life or society - power over the globe as the Pentagon phrases it: "Global full spectrum domination"
don't kid yourself they are going all out to reach their goal and a billion people could be killed
- the Empire would say - so what, it was in our strategic interest.
The odd thing is, Obama didn't seem to think getting rid of Gaddafi a bad thing at all at the
time. Clinton was all, "We came, we saw, he died." And this bit about "no core interest" in Afghanistan
and Iraq is just bizarre. Given the mess both countries are in, and the resurgence of the Taliban
and zero clue about Iraq it was clearly a master stroke for Obama to decide the US exit both with
no effective governments in place, ones that could deal with the Taliban et al. Never mind, he
can tootle off and play golf.
Very well put, Sir. Obama's self-serving statement is borderline stupid. I constantly wonder
why I voted for him twice. His Deep State handlers continue from the Bush period and having installed
their coterie of right-wing extremists from Hillary to the Directors of the CIA, FBI, NSA, DOD,
ad nauseum Obama has not had the courage at any point to admit not only the "mess" he makes, but
the he is a captive mess of the shadow government.
America has a historic crisis of leadership and being the sole model left in that field, the
world has followed, the UK and all of Europe included.
Libya is all Hilarys work so expect to return with boots on the ground once Wall Sts finest is
parked in the Oval office. She has the midas touch in reverse and Libya has turned (and will continue)
to turn out worse than Iraq and Syria (believe me its possible) There is absolutely no one on
the ground that the west can work with so the old chestnut of arming and training al qaeda or
'moderate' opposition is not an option. ISIL are solidifying a base there and other than drones
there is zip we can do.
Critising Cameron just shows how insecure Obama is, lets be honest the middle east and afghanistan
are in the state they are because Obama had zero interest in foreign policy when his first term
started, thus allowing the neocons to move into the vacuum and create the utter disaster that
is Syraq and Ukraine. We in europe are now dealing with the aftermath of this via the refugee
crisis which will top 2 million people this year. Obamas a failure and he knows it, hence the
criticism of other leaders. Cameron is no different, foreign policy being almost totally abandoned
to the US, there is no such thing as independent defence policy in the UK, everything is carried
out at the behest of the US. Don't kid yourself we have any autonomy, we don't and there are plenty
of high level armed forces personnel who feel the same way. Europe is leaderless in general and
with the economy flatlining they too have abandoned defence and foreign affairs to the pentagon.
Right now we're in the quiet before the storm, once HRC gets elected expect the situation to
deteriorate rapidly, our only hope is that someone has got the dirt to throw her out of the race.
ISIS established itself in Iraq before moving into Syria. Would ISIS exist is Britain had not
totally destabilized Iraq? Going back even further, it is the 100th anniversary of the Sykes-Picot
agreement, that great exercise in British Imperialism that created the artificial nations in the
Middle East that are collapsing today.
Your comment is so stereotyped: when British aggression or war crimes are involved, every
excuse is trundle out, every nuance examined, every extenuating circumstance and of course there
is always a convenient statute of limitations. But when others are involved, specifically America
and Israel, the same Guardian readers allow no excuses or nuances and every tiny detail going
back hundreds of years is repeatedly and thoroughly examined.
Transparent hypocrisy. Accept responsibility and stop offloading it to Calais.
Ambassador Stevens was killed in a cover up over the arms dealing from Libya to Syria, (weapons
and fighters to ISIS). It seems more likely that he was killed because he was investigating the
covert operation given that he was left to fend for himself by all US military forces but in a
classic defamation strategy he has been accused of being behind the operation. Had he been he
would have been well defended.
"Defense" has become attack, keeping alive the military-industrial lobbies and lumbering
military establishments that depend on it.
Couldn't put it better myself. Yes, America is a full blown Empire now. Evil to it's very core.
Bent on world domination and any cost. All we lack is a military dictatorship. Of course, with
the nation populated by brainwashed sheep, a "Dear Leader" is inevitable,
President Obama was correct in keeping US boots off the ground in Syria. An active US troop presence
would have resulted in an even greater level of confusion and destruction on all sides. However,
it was precisely the US' meddling in Libya that helped pave the way for its current dysfunctional,
failed state status, riven by sectarian conflicts and home to a very active Al Quaida presence.
US interference in Libya saw Gadaffi backstabbed by the US before literally being stabbed to
death although he had been given assurances that the US would respect his rule particularly as
he had sought to become part of the alliance against the likes of Al Quaida.
Obama was behind the disgraceful lie that the mob that attacked the US' Benghazi Embassy and
murdered Ambassador Smith y was 'inflamed' by an obscure video on youtube that attacked extremist
elements of the Islamic faith. Smith deserved better than this blatant lie and the grovelling,
snivelling faux apologies Obama and then Secretary of State Hilary Clinton made to the Muslim
world for something that had nothing to do with 99.9 percent of non Muslims.
Smith was murdered by extremists that took over Libya precisely because the death of Gadaffi
left a dangerous power vacuum. The US aided and abetted certain groups, weapons found their way
to the worse groups and Smith, a brave man, was his own country's victim in one sense. Hilary
Clinton who should have known better publicly gloated over Gadaffi's death. Since his death the
victimisation of black Libyans and other black Africans has become common, Libya has been overrun
by extremists, and as we write is being used as a conduit for uncontrolled entry into Europe.
Disappointingly, President Obama forgets the Biblical saying about pointing out a speck in
somebody's eye while ignoring the plank in his own.
Mr President doesn't privately refer to the Libyan upheaval as the "shit show" for no good reason.
The chaos and anarchy that have ensued since, including the migrant crisis in Europe and the rise
of Islamic State, is directly attributable to the shoddy interventionist approach used by both
Britain and France.
Good article, with justified moral indignation. Only thing I would have changed, is "imperialism-lite"
to 'lesser and greater imperialism.
Would it not have been a great contribution towards peace and justice, had the US decided not
to invade Iraq and Libya, on account that other western countries were "free-riders" and would
not have pulled their weight?
So, what does the world needs now? More 'free-riding countries' to dissuade so-called responsible
countries - Britain, France, America, Italy - from conspiring to invade other countries, after
consulting in the equivalent of a 'diplomatic toilet and drawing up their war plans on the back
of the proverbial cigarette packet.'
For all Obama's niceties, it would now appear that he has been seething and mad as hell about
his perception of Britain and France 'abandoning' Libya and watching it perceptible destabilizing
the region and the flames fanning farther afield.
The biggest unanswered and puzzling question, is that of how could Obama have expected
or assumed that Britain and France would have stayed behind and clean up the mess they and the
Americans have made of Libya? Why did the Americans resolved to play only the part of 'hired guns'
to go in and blitzed the Libyan Government and its armed forces, and neglected to learn the lesson
of planning what should follow after the destruction?
The argument that the Americans had assumed that France and Britain would clean up the
euphemistic mess has little or no credibility, since all three countries had been very clear about
not wanting American, British and French 'boots on the ground.'
Is the Americans now telling the world that they went into Libya without planning for the aftermath,
because it was 'an emergency to save lives' and they had to go in immediately?
Well, if so, that is now how nations behave responsibly, and it is now clear that more lives
have probably been lost and continue to be sacrificed, than those which might have been saved
as a result of the West invading and attacking Libya.
the Europeans expected America to pick up the tab for reconstruction
I don't think there would be many complaints from Halliburton or other American companies to
help with the reconstruction, if the place wasn't such a shit-storm right now.
"The result has been mass killing, destruction and migration on a scale not seen, at least
outside Africa, since the second world war."
Judging from the sentiments expressed in the overwhelming majority of comments posted on multiple
threads on this forum, the British people don't want to accept responsibility for "migration on
a scale not seen... since the second world war". The almost universal resistance to accepting
refugees and migrants that fled their homes due to unprovoked British aggression is disgusting
and pathetic. It highlights the hypocrisy of those who see themselves morally fit to judge almost
everyone else.
Mitchell says that we had a plan to stabilise Libya but that it could not be implement the plan
because there was no peace?#*^..... Der
We bombed in support of competing Jihadis groups, bandits and local war Lords then our
well laid plans for a Utopian peace were thwarted because of the unforeseen chaos created as the
Militias we gave close airsupport to fought over the spoils.
Well there you have it- its the fault of the Libyans.
Hilary Clinton recently blamed Sarkozy for Libya describing him as so "very excited" about the
need to start bombing that he persuaded her and she, Nuland and Power persuaded a reluctant Obama.
Three civilian females argued down the military opinion that it was unnecessary and likely to
cause more trouble than it was worth.
As this was clearly to support French interests the Americans insisted the Europeans do it
themselves if they were that keen. Old Anglo-French rivalry has never been far from the surface
in the ME and it seems Cameron jumped on the bandwagon in fear France would take all the glory.
Neither of them appear to have given any thought about reconstruction. The blame is mostly Cameron's
as Sorkozy was chucked out of office just months later. Did Cameron have a plan at all? If so
it was his biggest mistake and one we'll be paying for over the coming years.
Without Putin's mischief making though, this would have been sorted out long ago.
Putin intervened in September 2015. What have the West been doing since 2011 to stop the conflict,
one wonders.
Russia vetoes any UN attempt to sort out the mess
Looking bad you'd realize that it at least prompted Obama to retract in 2013. Since then though
support to Saudi and proxies destabilizing Syria has only increased.
Russia is clearing the mess of the West, and they should be grateful. Obama might be from what
I read today from his "confessions".
Yes. I don't think that is a pro-imperialist stance. He's arguing that there is no middle ground;
getting rid of dictators you don't like is imperialism, and whether you follow through or not,
there are serious consequences, but to not follow through is an abnegation of moral responsibility
to the people you are at attemting to "free". It seems to me he is arguing against any foreign
intervention, hence his castigation of Obama and Cameron for the "ethical wasteland of their wars
of intervention."
Please do me a favour and study 20th century history a little more. The US overthrow countless
democracies in Latin America and the Middle East and installed fascist dictatorships.
Liberal Democracy haha come on now. They dont care about Democracy. They care about money.
They will install and support any dictatorship (look at Saudi Arabia for example) as long as they
do as they are told economically.
I love western values, dont get me wrong. It is the best place to live freely. However, if
you werent lucky enough to be born in the west and the west wants something your country has (eg.
oil).....you are in for a lot of bad times.
I just wish western leaders/governments actually followed the western values that we all love
and hold dear.
We should remember that we funded the terrorists in Libya and then sent weapons to ISIS from
Libya to Syria that is we again used Al Qaeda as a proxy force. We then again used the "threat"
from the proxy forces i,e. Al Qaeda to justify mass surveillance of the general population.
The solution as Corbyn pointed out is to stop funding the Terrorists.
By the terms of the agreement, funding came from Turkey, as well as Saudi Arabia and Qatar;
the CIA, with the support of MI6, was responsible for getting arms from Gaddafi's arsenals
into Syria. A number of front companies were set up in Libya, some under the cover of Australian
entities. Retired American soldiers, who didn't always know who was really employing them,
were hired to manage procurement and shipping. The operation was run by David Petraeus, the
CIA director who would soon resign when it became known he was having an affair with his biographer.
Peter Oborne investigates claims that Britain and the West embarked on an unspoken alliance
of convenience with militant jihadi groups in an attempt to bring down the Assad regime.
He hears how equipment supplied by the West to so called Syrian moderates has ended up in
the hands of jihadis, and that Western sponsored rebels have fought alongside Al Qaeda. But
what does this really tell us about the conflict in Syria?
This edition of The Report also examines the astonishing attempt to re brand Al Nusra, Al
Qaeda's Syrian affiliate, as an organisation with which we can do business.
What is good that this is finally coming out ,the denial by both Obama and a very left wing media
has failed to confront this issue in what is an incredibly low point for Obama and Hilary Clinton
and their naive ideas about the Arab Spring.
As it is equally so for David Cameron and William Hague. Sarkozy is different he was not naive
he knew exactly what he was doing thais was about saving french influence in North Africa,he was
thinking about Tunisa, Algeria which he was keen to drag others into -- He was the most savvy of
all those politicians at least he was not a fool,but France priorities are not the same as the
UK --
Obama's comments once again as usual do not really confront the real problems of Libya and
gloss over the key issues and ending up passing the buck, he can do no wrong ? It was not the
aftermath of Libya but the whole idea of changing the controlling demographics of the country
which he played a major part in destabilising through the UN AND Nato which was the problem --
It was thought the lessons of Iraq was all about not putting boots on the ground ,or getting
your feet dirty ,as this antagonises the locals and that a nice clinical arms length bombardment
creating havoc ,is the best way to go .
This was not the lesson of Iraq , which was actually not to destabilise the controlling demographics
of the country which will never recover if you do ..It is one thing to depose a leader or ask
a leader to step down but do not disturb 100 of years controlling demographics, sectarian or not
in these countries is not wise . To do so is a misstep or misjudgement --
Demographics are like sand dunes they have taken many years to evolve and rest uneasy, in the
highly religious and sectarian landscape but can be unsettled over night, grain by grain even
by a small shift in the evening night breeze , a small beetle can zig zag across and the whole
dune will crumble
Once again the US pushed the UK who vied with France at how high they could jump, using the
UN blank cheque as cover ,for melting down the country and has left UN credibilty in taters has
now no credibility and Nato is now not trusted .
They took disgracefully no less the UN 1973 Peace Resolution , point one, Cease fire and point
two No Fly Zone .They bent it , twisted it , contorted it into blatant out right support of the
eastern shiite sympathisers sectarian group, against the more secular Sunni Tripoli groups .
(Gaddafi was not one man Mr apologist Rifkind he was the tribal leaders of a quite a large
tribe !)
Which has been part of a historic rivalry going back hundreds of years . They killed more civilians
that Gaddafi ever had or could have done . They even attacked in a no fly zone government troops
retreating and fired on government planes on the ground in a non fly zone .
Then they refused to negotiate with the government or allow the Organisation of African states
to mediate who had agreed general elections .They went on bombing until there was no infrastructure
no institutions or sand dunes ,or beetles left --
It was done after Iraq and that is why it is so shameful and why Obama , Cameron, Sarkozy ,
the UN , Nato must face up to what they have done , and after the Chilcot enquiry there needs
to be a Cameron enquiry . Presumably it will have the backing of Obama --
What is worse is the knock on effect on this massive arm caches and fighters from Libya then
went on to Syria, reek havoc and destabilised the country . Because Russia and China could never
trust again the UN , the UN has been ineffective in Syria for that very reason .The deaths of
British tourist in next door Tunisia has to laid firmly at David Cameron's and the foreign office
door --
No wonder Libya is keeping Obama awake at night , no wonder he is indulging in damage limitation
, no wonder he is trying to re write history ? How can I get this out of my legacy . If only I
had not met Mr Cameron a yes man -- If only I had been told by some with an once of common sense
, not to touch this country with a barge pole ?
The poor Libyan people will agree with him --
The lesson for the UK is do want you think is right not what the US thinks as right , a lesson
that David Cameron has failed to learn , and has shown he is not a safe pari of hands and lacks
judgement --
1. Conflict between sunni and shiites has been dormant for decades. Saudi Arabias promotion of
Wahhabism has awoken it again, along with the catalyst for the recent bloodshed, the invasion
of Iraq. That placed it back in the hands of the majority Shia and upset radical sunnis (eg the
Saudis).
2. Pogroms were common against Jews in Europe and Europe has a far worse history of treating
Jews than Muslims ever had. The "golden age of Judaism" in Europe was under Muslim rule in Spain.
Need I mention that the Holocaust was perpetrated by European Christians?
3. Didnt forget. the USSR didn't hand them chemical weapons though. That would be the West.
And it wasn't Russia who invaded Iraq later over the scam that they had WMDs.
4. I think you are forgetting Mossadeq in Iran in the 50s. Nasser in Egypt and any Pan-Arab
group that was secular in nature. Pan-Arabism is now dead and radical Islamism is alive and well
thanks to our lust for control over the region.
Obama? Censored? You forgot Hillary. she even said the other day at the townhall before Miss/MI
to the effect 'if Assad had been taken out early like Gaddafi then Syria would only be as bad
as Libya'. laughable really. i presume you aren't criticising Hillary Clinton?
Kosovo is now basket case that we are paying for but it is small. Now we have also backed NeoCon
regime change in Ukraine which we are going to be paying for. Libya will soon have enough Jihadist
training camps to be a direct threat.
What we see is a Strategy of Chaos from the US NeoCons but what we have failed to notice is
that the NeoCons see us as the target, as the enemy.
Totally agree that there is no such thing as Imperialism Lite, just as there is no such thing
as Wahabi Lite or Zionism Lite. So I wonder why Hilary Benn thinks Britain has anything to feel
proud about our foreign policy. It seems to me Britain's Foreign Policy is a combination of incompetence,
jingoism and pure evil.
What is the point of employing the brightest brains in the land at the Foreign Office when we
get it wrong almost all the time ?
"Western warmongering over the past two decades has had nothing to do with the existential defence
of territory. "Defence" has become attack, keeping alive the military-industrial lobbies and lumbering
military establishments that depend on it."
Attacking Al qaeda in Afghanistan had nothing to do with defending territory?
Libyan 'rebels' were armed and trained by 'the West' in a first place. The plan was the same for
Syria but Russians stopped it with not allowing 'no fly zone' or to call it properly 'bomb them
into the stone age'.
You probably don't know how 'bloody' Gaddafi was to the Libyans.
* GDP per capita - $ 14,192.
* For each family member the state pays $ 1000 grants per year.
* Unemployment - $ 730.
* Salary Nurse - $ 1000.
* For every newborn is paid $ 7000.
* The bride and groom given away $ 64,000 to buy an apartment.
* At the opening of a one-time personal business financial assistance - $ 20,000.
* Large taxes and extortions are prohibited.
* Education and medicine are free.
* Education and training abroad - at the expense of the state.
* Store chain for large families with symbolic prices of basic foodstuffs.
* For the sale of products past their expiry date - large fines and detention.
* Part of pharmacies - with free dispensing.
* For counterfeiting - the death penalty.
* Rents - no.
* No Fees for electricity for households!
* Loans to buy a car and an apartment - interest free.
* Real estate services are prohibited.
* Buying a car up to 50% paid by the state, for militia fighters - 65%.
* Gasoline is cheaper than water. 1 liter - 0,14 $.
* If a Libyan is unable to get employment after graduation the state would pay the average salary
of the profession as if he or she is employed until employment is found.
* Gaddafi carried out the world's largest irrigation project, known as the Great Man-Made River
project, to make water readily available throughout the desert country
The Gadaffi regime had upset the USA because Gadaffi was setting up an oil currency system based
on gold rather than US dollars. While this was not the sole reason the West turned against him
it was an important factor. The largest factor for the wars so far, and the planned war against
Iran was to cut out the growing Russian domination of the oil supply to Europe, China and India.
A decent article as we could expect from the author.
However personally I doubt there was no ulterior motive in the case of Lybia. Lybia was one
of the countries who tried the change the status quo on the oil market and it has huge reserves
too (as we know Europe is running out of oil, at least Great Britain is).
It is very likely that the European countries retreated because Libya started to look like
another Iraq.
When you are talking about "democratic forces of the revolution.." i imagine you being an enthusiastic
teenager girl who hardly knows anything about the world but goes somewhere far for a gap year
as a volunteer to make locals aware of something that will help them forever. It is instead of
demanding responsible policies and accountability from her own government.
Sorry!!!
What planet have you been living on. What do you read apart from lifestyle magazines full of shots
of celebrity boobs and bums.
The United states is the most interventionist country in history. Of its 237 years of existence
it has been at war or cold war for 222 of those years. NATO is behind ISIS and the wars in Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Chechen, Afghanistan, Libya and Ukraine.
If the West stopped intervening there would be very few wars and if the West used its influence
for peace rather than control there would rarely be any was at all.
Well put. People forget the importance of oil in maintaining the standard of living in our western
democracies. Controlling it's supply trumps all other issues.
Jane they didn't "come apart" and Libya and Syria were the most stable and least under the
thumb of radicals. Syria had equality and education for women who could wear whatever they wanted.
Furthermore they did not fall apart they were attacked by the largest military forces in the world
excluding Russia. NATO sent in special operations forces to destabilise the government. They along
with Al Nusra and other violent Wahabi terrorists attacked police and army barracks, and when
Assads police and military hit back it was presented by the Western media and propagandists as
an attack on the people of Syria. Do you think any other country would allow terrorists to attack
police and other public institutions without retaliating and restoring order.
Many people who do not accept the Western medias false reporting at face value know that
the wars in Syria were about changing the leaders and redrawing national boundaries to isolate
Iran and sideline Russian influence. It was and is an illegal war and it was the barbarity of
our Western leaders that caused the terrible violence. It was a pre planned plan and strategy
outlined in the US Special Forces document below.
http://nsnbc.me/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/special-forces-uw-tc-18-01.pdf
If you get your facts right it ruins your argument doesn't it.
In the Libyan case, it was a clear US strategy to put in the forefront their English and French
valets, in a coup (euphemistically called "regime change") wanted by them. The nobel peace winner
got some nerves to put the blame on his accomplices for the chaos in Libya, while the permanent
objective of the US is to divide and conquer, sowing chaos wherever it occurs: Afghanistan, Sudan,
Iraq, Syria. Also Hillary is no stranger to the actions in Libya.
These Middle East countries should have been left alone by the West. Due to their nature, these
countries have strong divisions and battle for their beliefs and a strong man, a dictator is what
prevented them to fall into the chaos they are today. Without the Western meddling, arming and
financing various rebel groups, Isis would not exist today.
Neither is putting political opponents in acid baths and burning tyres, as Tony Blair's friends
in the central Asian Republics have been doing, neither is beheading gays, raped women and civil
rights protesters, as Cameron's Saudi friends have been enjoying, the latter whilst we sell them
shit loads of munitions to obliterate Yemeni villagers. I wonder how the Egyptian president is
getting on with all that tear gas and bullets we sold him? And are the Bahrani's, fresh from killing
their own people for daring to ask for civil rights, enjoying the cash we gave them for that new
Royal Navy base? Our foreign policy is complacent and inconsistent, we talk about morality but
the bottom line is that that doesn't come into it when BAE systems and G4S have contracts to win.
Don't get me wrong, Britain has played a positive role internationally in many different areas,
but there is always a neo-liberal arsehole waiting to pop up and ruin the lives of millions, a
turd with a school tie that just wont be flushed away.
Simon Jenkins, don't pretend you were against American punitive expeditions around the world
to overthrow third world dictators. You worked from the same neo-con ideological script to defend
the ultra-liberal, military industrial economy; scare mongering in the pages of the Guardian,
as far back as I can remember. You lot are as totally discredited as Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield and
American Nato toadies.
It is high time that Europe reviewed and evaluated its relationship with the United States, with
NATO, Russia and China. The world needs to be a peaceable place and there needs to be more legislation
imposed upon the Financial Markets to stop them being a place where economic destabilisation and
warfare can and do take place. The United States would not contemplate these reviews taking place
as they are integral to their continuing position in the world but also integral to the problems
we are all experiencing? It will take a brave Europe to do this but it is a step that has to be
taken if the world is to move forward! Britain should be a huge part of this, outside a weakend
EU this would benefit the United States from Britains lack of input, another reason we should
vote to stay and be positive to our European position. The most vulnerable herring is the one
that breaks out of the shoal?
Libya , Ukraine ,Syria have had the same recipe of de-stabilisation by the US and NATO. The
so called popular rebels were in fact CIA trained and financed. Jihadist in Libya and Syria and
neo-Nazis in Ukraine. After completing regime change in Libya as planned ,the Jihadist, with their
looted arms were transferred to Syria and renamed ISIS. ISIS is Washingtons Foreign Legion army,
used as required for their Imperial ends. Renamed as required on whichever territory they operate
Cameron has been given a free pass on Libya. It really is quite astonishing. The man has turned
a functioning society into a jihadi infested failed state which is exporting men and weapons across
North Africa and down the Sahara and now serves as a new front line for ISIS
Cameron's Libya policy from start to finish is a foreign policy catastrophe and in a just world
would have seen him thrown out of office on his ear
Attacking Libya and deposing Gaddafi was down to enforcing the R2P doctrine on the pretext
of "stopping another Rwanda". But it was a pretext. Islamist rebels attacked the armouries within
Libya and the Libyans had every right to try and put down the rebellion. Samantha Powers et al
were the war mongers.
Then there is this gem: "Egypt's President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi has called for a United Nations
resolution allowing international forces to intervene in Libya.
There was no other choice, he told French radio. "We will not allow them to cut off the heads
of our children."
"We abandoned the Libyan people as prisoners to extremist militias," Mr Sisi told Europe 1
radio. He was referring to the aftermath of the 2011 war in which Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi
was toppled with the help of an international coalition.
That intervention was "an unfinished mission", he said."
The US, France and the UK own this ongoing mess but do not have the moral fortitude to clean
it up. As with the "Arab Spring", this will not end well.
The 2011 regime change shenanigans of the west against Libya is colonialism at its worst from
all the parties who instigated it. The aftermath, the resultant mayhem and chaos, was in itself
adding insult to injury. Gaddafi was no saint, but the militias, Muslim Brotherhood and ISIS now
running rampant in the country are infinitely worse. This is a war crime of the first magnitude
and no effort should be spared to address it
The west who propped up the Saudis, who's crazy wahhabi brand of Islam helped radicalise the Islamic
world with 100 billion dollars spent on promoting it.
The west who created israel and then has done nothing to stop israels ever growing land theft
and occupation over decades (not even a single sanction)...leading the Muslim world to hate us
more for our hypocrisy and double standards.
The west who has assassinated or organised coups against democratically elected secular
leaders who didn't give us their natural resources (eg iran) and installed brutal, clepto dictatorships
who also take part in plundering the resources leaving the general population poor, uneducated
and susceptible to indoctrination from Islamists.
The west who arms brutal dictators to wage proxy wars and then invades and bombs these same
dictators countries over claims they have WMDs (that we sold to them).
The west has been intervening in the middle east alot longer than post 9/11. We are very very
culpable for the disasters engulfing the region.
Libya was "not so at the core of US interests that it makes sense for us to unilaterally strike
against the Gaddafi regime"
Let's examine what Obama is saying here: when it is perceived to be at the core of US
interests, the USA reserves the right to attack any country, at any time.
The world inhabits a moral vacuum, and in that state, any country can justifiably choose to
do anything, against anyone, for any reason. And this guy got the Nobel Peace Prize.
In this despicable saga, Cameron's Libyan venture was a sideshow, though one that has destabilised
north Africa and may yet turn it into another Islamic State caliphate.
You forgot to mention Cameron was only following Sarkozy .
Don't forget the French role .
25 February 2011: Sarkozy said Gaddafi "must go."
28 February 2011: British Prime Minister David Cameron proposed the idea of a no-fly zone
11 March 2011: Cameron joined forces with Sarkozy after Sarkozy demanded immediate action
from international community for a no-fly zone against air attacks by Gaddafi.
14 March 2011: In Paris at the Élysée Palace, before the summit with the G8 Minister for
Foreign Affairs, Sarkozy, who is also the president of the G8, along with French Foreign Minister
Alain Juppé met with US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and pressed her to push for intervention
in Libya
.
19 March 2011: French[72] forces began the military intervention in Libya, later joined
by coalition forces
Well said in the headline. Imperialism-lite/heavy, colonialism, and neo-colonialism don't work,
should be a thing of the past. Intervening in the politics of another country is a mug's game.
Don't understand why Obama is blaming Cameron for it, perhaps playing to his domestic gallery.
Blair's love fest with the deluded Gaddafi family, followed by the volte-face of pushing for his
violent overthrow by the next government, were both severely misguided policies. Need to diplomatically
encourage change, in foreign policy, and the desired type of political movements to take hold.
Military interventions have the opposite effect, so does propping up dictators, religiously fanatical
regimes, proven time and time again.
So the choices are to do nothing, or invade and create a colony?
Pretty much. As Jenkins rightly says, if you want to launch an aggressive war you either do
it or you don't. If you do it then it is your responsibility to clear up the mess, however many
of your own lives are lost and however much it costs. Trashing a country and then buggering off
is not an option.
Of course, using force for defensive reasons is fine. That's why modern warmongering politicians
always call it "defence" when they drop bombs on innocent people in faraway countries. It is no
such thing.
There was no massacre, not even a hint of one. Total obfuscation to give Hillary Clinton a foreign
policy "success" so that she could use it as a springboard to the presidency. "Hillary Clinton
was so proud of her major role in instigating the war against Libya that she and her advisors
initially planned to use it as basis of a "Clinton doctrine", meaning a "smart power" regime change
strategy, as a presidential campaign slogan.
War creates chaos, and Hillary Clinton has been an eager advocate of every U.S. aggressive
war in the last quarter of a century. These wars have devastated whole countries and caused an
unmanageable refugee crisis. Chaos is all there is to show for Hillary's vaunted "foreign policy
experience".
"... Yeah. Painting the Syria/Libya crisis as Hillary vs the Repubs however is dishonest. not lacking insight or clarity. dishonest. On the Repubs: all the candidates except Trump said at the debate a few days ago that peace was not in the interests of Israel and therefore a US President would betray Israel by SEEKING peace. ..."
"... Hillary said at the townhall before Miss/MI that 'if we'd taken out Assad earlier like we did Gaddafi then Syria would only be as bad as Libya'. Your Hillary vs the Repubs routine is dishonest. This is the neocon oligrachy fighting for its life election. do not fake it in the name of Hillary. ..."
"... The Obama administration has redefined the word "militant " to be a "male of military age within the strike zone" and here's the killer ..."unless POSTHUMOUSLY proven to be innocent" ..."
"... Ramos ought to have asked Hilary exactly why Gadaffi was deposed, and came back at her fiercely with statistics and independent reports if she dared to even muse the suggestion that it was another "humanitarian intervention". ..."
"... If Hillary's two decade history of war mongering was exposed for what it really represents by "journalists" in the corporate media, she would no longer be insulated from the scrutiny her deeply flawed decision making warrants. ..."
"... Unfortunately, the American public have only independent news sites like the Intercept, Truthdig, the Jacobin, Harpers Magazine, Mondoweiss, and a few others from which to evaluate the real damage Hillary has caused. ..."
"... What gives Amerika the right to intervene in the affairs of other nations in the first place? Are they unaware that the rest of the world fears American terrorism more that anything else, or more likely, do they care? No wonder Hillary and the Republican hawks are worrying the planet. ..."
You are absolutely right as far as these five questions are concerned. Yet you forgot an important
one: TTIP as well as the Trans-Pacific Partnership. These so-called free trade agreements are
a fatal threat to democracy as they invest more power in corporations than in parliaments and
additionally they are detrimental to labour and the environment in the concerned countries.
It's a good article and reflects some of the questions I've been having.
My curiosity was aroused when the first CIA-directed drone killed its first victims, a terrorist
leader and some comrades in Yemen years ago. I'd thought that the CIA's assassination of anyone
in a foreign country was illegal. Evidently the rules have changed but I don't recall hearing
about it.
The media are always an easy target but lately I think their responsibility for our collective
ignorance has increased. The moderators in the TV debates seem deliberately provocative. I can
remember the first televised debate -- Kennedy vs. Nixon -- when both men soberly addressed the
camera when answering questions of substance.
The first interaction BETWEEN debators was a brief remark in 1980 by Reagan aimed at Jimmy
Carter. "There you go again." Before then, the debates were sober and dignified, as in a courtroom.
After that, the debates slowly slid into the cage fights they've become.
I'm afraid I see the media as not setting the proper ground rules. Fox News is the absolute
worst. The result is a continuous positive feedback loop in which we are gradually and unwittingly
turned into those people who buy gossip tabloids at the supermarket checkout counter.
BREAKING NEWS! HILLARY WETS BED UNTIL TWELVE YEARS OLD!
If we wind up with one of these egomaniacal clowns in the White House, we'll deserve what we
get.
here it is again Cruz: right now in Fox: Iran wants to kill us; 'Donald' wants to negotiate deals
with Iran and Cuba. We don't negotiate with terrorists. By failing to note what Trump actually
says and by pretending that Hillary is not a neocon - a subtle one to be sure - you are revising
the facts. actually as the facts appear. think about it and be clear. the moderate Islam routine
BY Cruz Rubio Kasich is not about islam. its about the supposed sunni supposed allies. like please.
add some insight. at least a bit.
Yeah. Painting the Syria/Libya crisis as Hillary vs the Repubs however is dishonest. not lacking
insight or clarity. dishonest. On the Repubs: all the candidates except Trump said at the debate
a few days ago that peace was not in the interests of Israel and therefore a US President would
betray Israel by SEEKING peace.
Trump said he'd be even-handed for the purpose of negotitating
a peace deal. the other candidates say - reading from a script, certainly not thinking - that
the trick was to get Saudi Arabia and Turkey to fight ISIS. sure, except they wont. Their agenda
is anti-Assad in the name of conservative sunni-ism. the moderate arab sheikdom theocracy routines
IS part of the problem. frankly the other Repub candidates would flirt with nuking Iran. Iran
must be part of the solution like it or not. Hillary said at the townhall before Miss/MI that
'if we'd taken out Assad earlier like we did Gaddafi then Syria would only be as bad as Libya'.
Your Hillary vs the Repubs routine is dishonest. This is the neocon oligrachy fighting for its
life election. do not fake it in the name of Hillary.
Isn't the reason for most foreign policy decisions that they will make money for the Military
Industrial Complex?
"Modernizing" nuclear weapons? Helping Saudi Arabia slaughter citizens of Yemen? Destabilizing
multiple countries so that MORE weapons become "necessary" to deal with the instability?
All the question should be framed on that basis: "Is there any reason to 'modernize' our nuclear
weapons other than to enhance the bottom line of the companies involved, especially when we are
supposed to be working against nuclear proliferation?"
Fantastic article, absolutely spot on. Its been a long wait , thank you.
The Obama administration has redefined the word "militant " to be a "male of military age within
the strike zone" and here's the killer ..."unless POSTHUMOUSLY proven to be innocent"
Democrats or Republicans alike, foreign policy is predicated on the American drive to maintain
global dominance, whatever illegal murderous callous action it takes.
Ramos ought to have asked Hilary exactly why Gadaffi was deposed, and came back at her fiercely
with statistics and independent reports if she dared to even muse the suggestion that it was another
"humanitarian intervention".
Sanders should be pressed on Israel, and whether he can formally condemn the state for repeatedly
breaking promises re: settlement on the West Bank and for committing war crimes during the Gaza
strip conflict.
If Hillary's two decade history of war mongering was exposed for what it really represents by
"journalists" in the corporate media, she would no longer be insulated from the scrutiny her deeply
flawed decision making warrants. If democracy and transparency actually functioned in the media,
Hillary would be exposed as a neocon, whose terrible policy decisions have led to one global disaster
after another, fomenting terrorism. (Even the New York Times-which endorsed Hillary-detailed her
disastrous decisions in Libya).
Unfortunately, the American public have only independent news sites like the Intercept, Truthdig,
the Jacobin, Harpers Magazine, Mondoweiss, and a few others from which to evaluate the real damage
Hillary has caused.
But, like her domestic policies-historically: from Clintonomics to mass incarceration; welfare
reform; the war on drugs; education (especially in Arkansas); disastrous "free" trade agreements;
rampant fascism in the form of corporatism; plus, the millions donated to her campaign from dark
money super pacs; and her sham "foundation; Hillary continues to represent the worst that politics
offers, both globally and domestically.
And the list above also includes the devolution of the Democratic Party from FDR-like socialism
to Clinton dominated corporate hacks, since Bill's election in 1992.
Until Clinton, Inc is stopped from commanding allegiance from "democratic" politicians on everything
from the macro to micro levels of Democratic Party matters, voters will continue to be denied
a true forum for change.
What gives Amerika the right to intervene in the affairs of other nations in the first place?
Are they unaware that the rest of the world fears American terrorism more that anything else,
or more likely, do they care? No wonder Hillary and the Republican hawks are worrying the planet.
"Currently Saudi Arabia is engaged in an indiscriminate bombing campaign in one of the world's
poorest.."
Saudi Arabia is bombing with logistical help from US and UK, we're not only silent on the crimes
of KSA, we help them
"Currently Saudi Arabia is engaged in an indiscriminate bombing campaign in one of the world's
poorest.."
Saudi Arabia is bombing with logistical help from US and UK, we're not only silent on the crimes
of KSA, we help them
Hillary was the push behind the U.S. Participation in Ukraine, Syria and Libya. Just a pathological
warlord. She appointed VIc Nuland as undersecretary of state for Gods sake. A neo-con. The people
that brought us the Iraq war. If she's elected you will get more of the same in a big way as she
will increase the force structure and the involvement.
It is futile to expect reason from people whose foreign policy education comes primarily from
Hollywood. It used to be that 96 % of people in congress had never left the country, even less
lived abroad with other people and learned a foreign language. The ignorance is truly amazing
and it would be funny if these people were not those that decide what happens in the world.
If the US keeps meddling in world affairs then the whole world should vote in their elections.
Don't exactly celebrate the US 'wag my tail' relationship with Wahhabi Arabia but on Syria, the
only good option is to ally with President Assad and bomb out the Wahhabi infestation.
Libya is the dog that doesn't bark in the night in UK politics too.
During the debate on bombing Syria, speaker after speaker alluded to the disastrous intervention
in Iraq, for which the guilty parties are no longer in the house.
But not one brought up the disastrous intervention in Libya, for which the guilty party was
currently urging us into another intervention.
Having an amateurish, inward-looking Labour party doesn't help, of course.
The only people who have called Cameron out on Libya in the past year are Nigel Farage and
Barack Obama. Ye gods.
"According to the 24 February 2010 policy analysis "The Year of the Drone", released by the New
America Foundation, the civilian fatality rate since 2004 is approximately 32%. The study reports
that 114 reported UAV-based missile strikes in northwest Pakistan from 2004 to present killed
between 830 and 1,210 individuals, around 550 to 850 of whom were militants."
You can quibble about the exact number of civilians killed, but the moment you approve of your
local police bagging bad guys even if your family gets killed then you can maybe make a comment.
Many human rights organizations have called them illegal, and retired military leaders have
said they backfire, creating more terrorists than they kill.
After reading " The Dron Papers
" Edward Snowden came to the conclusion that drones do not really chase the terrorists, but
they chase their mobile phones. Hence so many innocent victims, because who can guarantee that
the mobile phone which was earlier in the possessions of some terrorist, is not now in the hands
of entirely innocent people.
So, in addition to many ethical questions about the use of drones, this raised another question
on how much "high-tech killing" is indeed reliable.
Excellent article.
Informative and quite rightly challenging.
America is really running away with itself on who, where, how and why they attack.
Britains 'special' relations with the US, should be curtailed, forthwith, because they have the
audacity to now start pressuring us about the EU refferendum, too.
Obama had the nerve to say that we were free loading on the back of "US might" and their attempts
at "global order", his words. While neatly avoiding the questions you ask here, about their role
in Libya, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, drones etc., etc, etc.
Britain should fight back with these facts and distance ourselves from this aggression.
While an enormous amount of time during this campaign has focused around the Iran nuclear
deal, almost no attention has been given to any country that actually has nuclear weapons and
what they plan to do with them over the coming years and decades.
This is also a proof of the "schizophrenic" Obama-Clinton foreign policy. US administration is
doing everything to solve the problem of the Iranian nuclear program, and at the same time doing
everything to spoil relations with the other nuclear power in the world, Russia.
The curiosity of its kind is that Russia, which is also affected by the US sanctions, helps US
to resolve its dispute with Iran and suspend sanctions against this country. And not only that,
but Russia agrees to relocate enriched uranium from Iran to its territory and thus provide a practical
implementation of the agreement on the Iranian nuclear program.
yet the presidential candidates are almost never asked about why congress has not authorized
the military action like the constitution requires.
Yes, Trevor Timm also criticized this in some of his previous articles, as well as Ron Paul, who
also often criticized Obama for this fact. It's completely unclear why Obama continues to rely
on the two authorizations that George W. Bush has got from Congress "to punish the perpetrators
of the 9/11 attacks", and for "the destruction of Saddam Hussein's [non-existent] WMD". This is
particularly unclear given that Obama himself came to power mainly due to his criticism of Bush's
war adventures.
It is possible that Obama does not have enough confidence that he can get authorization from the
GOP dominant Congress to combat Isis in Syria and Iraq. However, by using authorizations for the
old wars for something that has nothing to do with the new wars, Obama is not only acting illegally,
but also provides an opportunity for the conclusion that he now supports Bush for the same thing
for which he criticized him earlier, that is, for the Afghan and Iraq war.
'course I wouldn't approve. And I doubt most countries approve of being invaded (except for the
folks who DO approve anyways).
"The US must stop acting as the world police.' Great phrase. You hear it a lot. Totally insupportable.
Here's the fundamental problem: the globe is a small place these days. Countries really are no
longer isolated entities than can act with little to no impact on anybody else. What one does,
others feel. And leadership is a thing - somebody will always lead. Right now, there are very
few candidates for that. With the fall of imperial England, the US became the only real superpower
left (other than Russia, which has since collapsed, and is busy trying to come back). Thus, whether
it likes it or not, the US has a leadership role to play. If it abdicates that position, and does
as you and so many other less-than-brilliant folks demand? Power abhors a vacuum. Most likely
is that either Russia or China will take over the role currently played by the US. And if you
think either of THOSE countries will do a better job than the US, well... enjoy your personal
delusion.
As for 'scratching heads and bleating' about intervention... we did not have to intervene.
Said that before, saying it again, get it through your skull - we did not have to intervene. We
could, in fact, totally disarm and just sit back and do nothing, anywhere. But. THIS WOULD HAVE
CONSEQUENCES TOO. Seriously. Understand that. Doing nothing is doing something. Sitting out is
still an action one can take. And it is INCREDIBLY likely that things would be WORSE in Libya
right now had we not intervened. Not guaranteed, but likely.
The situation sucks. It would have been great if it had all turned out better. It didn't. But
it probably would have been worse had we made a substantially different choice. Yeah, sure, you
could then pat yourself on the back, and pretend that at least the US wasn't responsible, but,
well, as a certain red-and-blue clad superhero says, with great power comes great responsibility.
The US has great power - if we didn't intervene, and horrible things happened, it'd be just as
much our fault as it is now that we DID intervene, and bad things happened. Because it would have
been in our power to stop it, and we didn't.
"... Besides which, it's hard to buy the idea that Gaddafi was "rogue" or " a threat" when both parties named here were "rendering" secret prisoners to him for outsourced torture. ..."
"... There is no honour among thieves, clearly. But it would be folly to depict a squabble among them as a narrative of sinner vs saint... ..."
"... After the cold war, the US and had the chance to lead to a new world order based on democracy and human rights. Yet instead, its politics based became based on bullying and warmongering, and joined by their European allies. As a result we have a world entrenched in chaos and violence. ..."
"... To top it off, there is also their allies, the Saudi and Gulf allies. Therefore, if you want to know how bad the world has become as a result of the US, European and Gulf allies, their hypocrisy, criminal behavior, destruction of countries, and total disregard of international law, all you need to see is the war in Yemen. ..."
"... Imperialism never left,.. The Capitalists are always working at complete control, it has no problem dancing with Dictators and Authoritarian rulers when it suites its purpose. Its just now they appear to be wanting to improve their image by changing their partners who stepped on their toes and Israel's on occasion .. ..."
"... Yes, I will claim it as a U.S. inspired regime change policy, in all those Middle East secular and sovereign countries, by our own beloved War Mongering Nationalistic Neo Cons.. That is already being shown as a complete disaster.. Only 2 million dead so far and just wait until the religious fanatics are in complete control.. ..."
"... "keeping alive the military-industrial lobbies" mmm. An incomplete reading I think. What about oil and gas? Libya is north African richest country if I'm not mistaken ... Is Britain (and France) still trying to get its share there? ..."
"... "Western [ mostly american and british ] warmongering over the past two decades has had nothing to do with the existential defense of territory. "Defense" has become attack, keeping alive the military-industrial lobbies and lumbering military establishments that depend on it." ..."
"... "The result has been mass killing, destruction and migration on a scale not seen, at least outside Africa, since the second world war." ..."
"... The Sykes-Picot agreement was one of the secrets uncovered by the Russian Revolution: it was in the files of the newly-overthrown government, and promptly publicized by the Bolsheviks, along with lots of other documents relating to imperialist secret diplomacy. Sound familiar? ..."
"... The interventionist model that the West has carried out recently is really an extension of the old colonialism in a different guise. In the olden days, the excuse was to spread Western civilization and Christianity to the world living in backwardness. In the modern era, it's democracy. Unfortunately democracy cannot be installed by force. Even if the people of the country being invaded wanted it, the opportunists (either among them or the outsiders) would find ways to exploit the chaos for their own benefits. We have seen different forms of such evolution in Libya, Egypt, Syria, Iraq. ..."
"... The CIA funded and trained the Mujahideen in Afghanistan, to fight the Russians, just as they backed Saddam against Iran. And the US has been mucking about in the Middle East since the 50s, the Brits since the late 19th century. Yours is a very selective reading of history. ..."
"... No, small groups of people with their own particular interests "begged for help." The "Arab Spring" was a Western media confection used to justify Western intervention to get rid of Gaddafi and Assad. Worked with Gaddafi, Assad not so well. ..."
"... You forget who triggered the French intervention. Another neo-con working for Israel. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/02/world/africa/02levy.html?_r=2 ..."
"... Israel does not want a functioning Arab State left in the Middle-East. ..."
"... It's like the Soviet Union invading the US because a few militiamen holed up in a wildlife refuge in Oregon. The neo-con press feeds us this propaganda and the willing idiots lap it up and deny responsibility when everything falls apart. ..."
"... Jihad Dave is supporting islamist maniacs in Libya and Syria. He succeeded in Libya, along with the ludicrous Sarkozy clown, but Russia and Iran have stood up to the plate in Syria. ..."
"... However much we might sympathise with fellow human beings living under brutal dictators and governments, a country can only really progress from within. Certainly, dialogue, sanctions and international cooperation can help foster change, but ultimately countries must want to change. ..."
"... No, Gaddafy's crime was actually to spend the bulk of Libya's oil revenues on useless things such as schools, hospitals, housing and subsidised food when that money could have been flowing into the pockets of the West. ..."
"... Taliban has been trained in the Saudi religious schools in Pakistan. Wahhabism is the official ideology of Saudi Arabia. 10 out of 11 terrorists 9/11 were the Saudis. All the Islamic terror in the last two decades was sponsored by the Saudis, including ISIS. ..."
"... Bosnia - a slow ticking bomb. Just bubbling under the surface. Kosovo - a mafia state run by drug lord Thaci, supported by the US. It is no secret that the main source of income in Kosovo today is drugs, prostitution, organ trafficking. ..."
"... There are no winners or losers in Iraq, everyone lost. Not a single group benefited from that western backed regime change, same in Libya and Syria. ..."
"... The US empire blew up Libya with some help from it's puppets, Sarkozy and Cameron. 100% imperialism. ..."
"... The USA - and its mini-me, the UK - have so blatantly bombed societies, manipulated governments and undermined social change in so many parts of the world that their trading positions are under real threat from emerging economic powers. ..."
"... Yes, Obama shows himself for the buffoon he really is. ..."
"... I, however, would caution against thinking the US led Neoliberal Empire of the Exceptionals is weakening. Its economic hegemony is almost complete only China and Russia remaining, and Obama with his "Pivot to Asia" (TM) has them surrounded and all set up for the female Chaney - Clinton the warmonger to get on with it. ..."
"... The Empire will only get more and more brutal - it has absolutely no concern for human life or society - power over the globe as the Pentagon phrases it: "Global full spectrum domination" don't kid yourself they are going all out to reach their goal and a billion people could be killed - the Empire would say - so what, it was in our strategic interest. ..."
"... Very well put, Sir. Obama's self-serving statement is borderline stupid. I constantly wonder why I voted for him twice. His Deep State handlers continue from the Bush period and having installed their coterie of right-wing extremists from Hillary to the Directors of the CIA, FBI, NSA, DOD, ad nauseum Obama has not had the courage at any point to admit not only the "mess" he makes, but the he is a captive mess of the shadow government. ..."
"... Your comment is so stereotyped: when British aggression or war crimes are involved, every excuse is trundle out, every nuance examined, every extenuating circumstance and of course there is always a convenient statute of limitations. But when others are involved, specifically America and Israel, the same Guardian readers allow no excuses or nuances and every tiny detail going back hundreds of years is repeatedly and thoroughly examined. ..."
"... Smith was murdered by extremists that took over Libya precisely because the death of Gadaffi left a dangerous power vacuum. The US aided and abetted certain groups, weapons found their way to the worse groups and Smith, a brave man, was his own country's victim in one sense. Hilary Clinton who should have known better publicly gloated over Gadaffi's death. Since his death the victimisation of black Libyans and other black Africans has become common, Libya has been overrun by extremists, and as we write is being used as a conduit for uncontrolled entry into Europe. ..."
"... The biggest unanswered and puzzling question, is that of how could Obama have expected or assumed that Britain and France would have stayed behind and clean up the mess they and the Americans have made of Libya? Why did the Americans resolved to play only the part of 'hired guns' to go in and blitzed the Libyan Government and its armed forces, and neglected to learn the lesson of planning what should follow after the destruction? ..."
"... The argument that the Americans had assumed that France and Britain would clean up the euphemistic mess has little or no credibility, since all three countries had been very clear about not wanting American, British and French 'boots on the ground.' ..."
"... "The result has been mass killing, destruction and migration on a scale not seen, at least outside Africa, since the second world war." ..."
"... We bombed in support of competing Jihadis groups, bandits and local war Lords then our well laid plans for a Utopian peace were thwarted because of the unforeseen chaos created as the Militias we gave close airsupport to fought over the spoils. ..."
"... We should remember that we funded the terrorists in Libya and then sent weapons to ISIS from Libya to Syria that is we again used Al Qaeda as a proxy force. We then again used the "threat" from the proxy forces i,e. Al Qaeda to justify mass surveillance of the general population. ..."
"... Of its 237 years of existence it has been at war or cold war for 222 of those years. ..."
"... NATO is behind ISIS and the wars in Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Chechen, Afghanistan, Libya and Ukraine. ..."
"... Jane they didn't "come apart" and Libya and Syria were the most stable and least under the thumb of radicals. Syria had equality and education for women who could wear whatever they wanted. Furthermore they did not fall apart they were attacked by the largest military forces in the world excluding Russia. NATO sent in special operations forces to destabilise the government. They along with Al Nusra and other violent Wahabi terrorists attacked police and army barracks, and when Assads police and military hit back it was presented by the Western media and propagandists as an attack on the people of Syria. Do you think any other country would allow terrorists to attack police and other public institutions without retaliating and restoring order. ..."
"... Many people who do not accept the Western medias false reporting at face value know that the wars in Syria were about changing the leaders and redrawing national boundaries to isolate Iran and sideline Russian influence. It was and is an illegal war and it was the barbarity of our Western leaders that caused the terrible violence. It was a pre planned plan and strategy outlined in the US Special Forces document below. http://nsnbc.me/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/special-forces-uw-tc-18-01.pdf ..."
"... In the Libyan case, it was a clear US strategy to put in the forefront their English and French valets, in a coup (euphemistically called "regime change") wanted by them. The nobel peace winner got some nerves to put the blame on his accomplices for the chaos in Libya, while the permanent objective of the US is to divide and conquer, sowing chaos wherever it occurs: Afghanistan, Sudan, Iraq, Syria. Also Hillary is no stranger to the actions in Libya. ..."
"... Simon Jenkins, don't pretend you were against American punitive expeditions around the world to overthrow third world dictators. You worked from the same neo-con ideological script to defend the ultra-liberal, military industrial economy; scare mongering in the pages of the Guardian, as far back as I can remember. You lot are as totally discredited as Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield and American Nato toadies. ..."
"... Libya , Ukraine ,Syria have had the same recipe of de-stabilisation by the US and NATO. The so called popular rebels were in fact CIA trained and financed. Jihadist in Libya and Syria and neo-Nazis in Ukraine. After completing regime change in Libya as planned ,the Jihadist, with their looted arms were transferred to Syria and renamed ISIS. ISIS is Washingtons Foreign Legion army, used as required for their Imperial ends. Renamed as required on whichever territory they operate ..."
"... Cameron has been given a free pass on Libya. It really is quite astonishing. The man has turned a functioning society into a jihadi infested failed state which is exporting men and weapons across North Africa and down the Sahara and now serves as a new front line for ISIS ..."
"... Attacking Libya and deposing Gaddafi was down to enforcing the R2P doctrine on the pretext of "stopping another Rwanda". But it was a pretext. Islamist rebels attacked the armouries within Libya and the Libyans had every right to try and put down the rebellion. Samantha Powers et al were the war mongers. ..."
"... The 2011 regime change shenanigans of the west against Libya is colonialism at its worst from all the parties who instigated it. The aftermath, the resultant mayhem and chaos, was in itself adding insult to injury. Gaddafi was no saint, but the militias, Muslim Brotherhood and ISIS now running rampant in the country are infinitely worse. This is a war crime of the first magnitude and no effort should be spared to address it ..."
"... The west who has assassinated or organised coups against democratically elected secular leaders who didn't give us their natural resources (eg iran) and installed brutal, clepto dictatorships who also take part in plundering the resources leaving the general population poor, uneducated and susceptible to indoctrination from Islamists. ..."
So
Barack Obama thinks Britain in 2011 left Libya in chaos – and besides it does not pull its weight
in the world. Britain thinks that a bit rich, given the shambles America left in Iraq. Then both
sides say sorry. They did not mean to be rude.
Thus do we wander across the ethical wasteland of the west's wars of intervention. We blame and
we name-call. We turn deaf ears to the cries of those whose lives we have destroyed. Then we kiss
and make up – to each other.
Obama was right first time round about Libya's civil war. He wanted to keep out. As
he recalls to the Atlantic magazine , Libya was "not so at the core of US interests that it makes
sense for us to unilaterally strike against the Gaddafi regime". He cooperated with Britain and France,
but on the assumption that David Cameron would clear up the resulting mess. That did not happen because
Cameron had won his Falklands war and could go home crowing.
Obama is here describing all the recent "wars of choice".
America had no "core interest" in Afghanistan or Iraq, any more than Britain had in
Libya . When a state attacks
another state and destroys its law and order, morally it owns the mess. There is no such thing as
imperialism-lite. Remove one fount of authority and you must replace and sustain another, as Europe
has done at vast expense in Bosnia and Kosovo.
America and Britain both attacked countries in the Middle East largely to satisfy the machismo
and domestic standing of two men, George Bush and Tony Blair. The result has been mass killing, destruction
and migration on a scale not seen, at least outside Africa, since the second world war. In this despicable
saga, Cameron's Libyan venture was a sideshow, though one that has destabilised north
Africa and may yet turn it
into another Islamic State caliphate. It is his Iraq.
As for Obama's charge that Britain and other countries are not pulling their weight and are "free
riders" on American defence spending, that too deserves short shrift.
British and French military expenditure is proportionately among the highest in the world, mostly
blown on archaic weapons and archaic forms of war. Western warmongering over the past two decades
has had nothing to do with the existential defence of territory. "Defence" has become attack, keeping
alive the military-industrial lobbies and lumbering military establishments that depend on it.
Meanwhile the bonds between America and Britain will continue to strengthen. They do so, against
all the odds, because they grow from one culture and one outlook on life. That mercifully has nothing
to do with politicians.
I'm stunned that Obama has been able to get away with his absolutely abysmal record with foreign
policy. Libya was a complete disaster and there is evidence to suggest that Libya was a much better
place under Gaddafi. And the fact that once they were in Iraq (something started by his predecessor)
he wasn't committed to bringing about serious change, thus leaving a giant vacuum which, coincided
with the Syrian Civil War, has now been filled by ISIS.
That's not even talking about the Iran deal, Benghazi and the disastrous "Bring Back our Girls"
campaign.
"People find it very hard," said Iman Fannoush, with her two children in tow and a husband
she knows not where. "They are up all night shooting because of good news. We hear the UN is
coming to help us or our fighters have taken Brega or the air strikes have destroyed Gaddafi's
tanks. Then everyone is afraid again when they hear Gaddafi's army is coming and they all want
to know where is France, where are the air strikes, why is the west abandoning us?
We are grateful for the role played by the international community in protecting the Libyan
people; Libyans will never forget those who were our friends at this critical stage and will
endeavour to build closer relations with those states on the basis of our mutual respect and
common interests. However, the future of Libya is for the Libyans alone to decide. We cannot
compromise on sovereignty or allow others to interfere in our internal affairs, position themselves
as guardians of our revolution or impose leaders who do not represent a national consensus.
Hilsum gives a riveting account of the battle for Tripoli, with activists risking their lives
to pass intelligence to Nato, whose targeting – contrary to regime propaganda – was largely
accurate, and too cautious for many Libyans.
The UN security council authorised action to protect Libyan civilians from the Gaddafi regime
but Russia, China and other critics believe that the western alliance exceeded that mandate
and moved to implement regime change.
Libya's Arab spring was a bloody affair, ending with the killing of Gaddafi, one of the world's
most ruthless dictators. His death saw the rebel militias turn on each other in a mosaic of
turf wars. Full-scale civil war came last summer, when Islamist parties saw sharp defeats in
elections the United Nations had supervised, in the hope of bringing peace to the country.
Islamists and their allies rebelled against the elected parliament and formed the Libya Dawn
coalition, which seized Tripoli. The new government fled to the eastern city of Tobruk and
fighting has since raged across the country.
With thousands dead, towns smashed and 400,000 homeless, the big winner is Isis, which has
expanded fast amid the chaos. Egypt, already the chief backer of government forces, has now
joined a three-way war between government, Libya Dawn and Isis.
It is all a long way from the hopes of the original revolutionaries. With Africa's largest
oil reserves and just six million people to share the bounty, Libya in 2011 appeared set for
a bright future. "We thought we would be the new Dubai, we had everything," says a young activist
who, like the student, prefers not to give her name. "Now we are more realistic."
Perpetually engineered destabilization is highly lucrative and has been for 200 years, but I don't
know what's Central or Intelligent about it......except for a tiny handful at the top globally.
On balance, is Libya worse off now than it would have been, had Gaddaffi been allowed free
rein in Benghazi?
No-one can possibly know the answer to that, certainly not Mr Jenkins.
Clearly it was a dictatorship like say Burma is today.....but....from an economic point of
view, it was like the Switzerland of Africa. And actually tons of European companies had flocked
over there to set up shop. In contrast to now where its like the Iraquistan of Africa. No contest
in the comparison there...
Besides which, it's hard to buy the idea that Gaddafi was "rogue" or " a threat" when both
parties named here were "rendering" secret prisoners to him for outsourced torture.
There is no honour among thieves, clearly. But it would be folly to depict a squabble among
them as a narrative of sinner vs saint...
After the cold war, the US and had the chance to lead to a new world order based on democracy
and human rights. Yet instead, its politics based became based on bullying and warmongering, and
joined by their European allies. As a result we have a world entrenched in chaos and violence.
To top it off, there is also their allies, the Saudi and Gulf allies. Therefore, if you want
to know how bad the world has become as a result of the US, European and Gulf allies, their hypocrisy,
criminal behavior, destruction of countries, and total disregard of international law, all you
need to see is the war in Yemen.
Imperialism never left,.. The Capitalists are always working at complete control, it has no problem
dancing with Dictators and Authoritarian rulers when it suites its purpose. Its just now they
appear to be wanting to improve their image by changing their partners who stepped on their toes
and Israel's on occasion ..
Yes, I will claim it as a U.S. inspired regime change policy, in all those Middle East secular
and sovereign countries, by our own beloved War Mongering Nationalistic Neo Cons.. That is already
being shown as a complete disaster.. Only 2 million dead so far and just wait until the religious
fanatics are in complete control..
Yep, many pictures, as there always are with media confections. Remember the footage of Saddam's
statue being torn down in front of a huge crowd? It was only months later we saw the wide angle
shot that showed just how few people there really were there.
These US and UK involvement in the ME are matters of official record; are you really denying the
CIA trained the Mujahideen, or that both the UK and US propped up Saddam? Even Robert Fisk acknowledges
that! And please, don't patronise me. You have no idea what I've read or haven't.
......c'mon, the powers behind the powers intentionally engineer mid-East destabilization to keep
the perpetual war pumping billions to the ATM's in their living rooms; then, on top of it, they
send the bill to average joe's globally; when is this farce going to be called out ?
It is completely
illogical, can't stand even eye tests, yet continues like an emperor with new clothes in our face.
"keeping alive the military-industrial lobbies"
mmm. An incomplete reading I think. What about oil and gas? Libya is north African richest country
if I'm not mistaken ... Is Britain (and France) still trying to get its share there?
"Western [ mostly american and british ] warmongering over the past two decades has had
nothing to do with the existential defense of territory. "Defense" has become attack, keeping
alive the military-industrial lobbies and lumbering military establishments that depend on it."
"The result has been mass killing, destruction and migration on a scale not seen, at least
outside Africa, since the second world war."
The Sykes-Picot agreement was one of the secrets uncovered by the Russian Revolution: it was in
the files of the newly-overthrown government, and promptly publicized by the Bolsheviks, along
with lots of other documents relating to imperialist secret diplomacy. Sound familiar?
The interventionist model that the West has carried out recently is really an extension of the
old colonialism in a different guise. In the olden days, the excuse was to spread Western civilization
and Christianity to the world living in backwardness. In the modern era, it's democracy. Unfortunately
democracy cannot be installed by force. Even if the people of the country being invaded wanted
it, the opportunists (either among them or the outsiders) would find ways to exploit the chaos
for their own benefits. We have seen different forms of such evolution in Libya, Egypt, Syria,
Iraq.
Get your facts right. Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan were all states that crumbled after the
demise of the USSR.
Bullshit. The CIA funded and trained the Mujahideen in Afghanistan, to fight the Russians,
just as they backed Saddam against Iran. And the US has been mucking about in the Middle East
since the 50s, the Brits since the late 19th century. Yours is a very selective reading of history.
No, small groups of people with their own particular interests "begged for help." The "Arab Spring"
was a Western media confection used to justify Western intervention to get rid of Gaddafi and
Assad. Worked with Gaddafi, Assad not so well.
this might answer your question. Syria has suffered for its geography since it was artificially
created by the Sykes Picot agreement at the end of the Ottoman Empire.
"Libyan rebels are secularists, want unified country
Gardels: If the French aim is successful and Qaddafi falls, who are the rebels the West is
allying with? Secularists? Islamists? And what do they want?
Levy: Secularists. They want a unified Libya whose capital will remain Tripoli and whose government
will be elected as a result of free and transparent elections. I am not saying that this will
happen from one day to the next, and starting on the first day. But I have seen these men enough,
I have spoken with them enough, to know that this is undeniably the dream, the goal, the principle
of legitimacy.
It's like the Soviet Union invading the US because a few militiamen holed up in a wildlife refuge
in Oregon. The neo-con press feeds us this propaganda and the willing idiots lap it up and deny
responsibility when everything falls apart.
Britain started the mess in the Middle-East with the Balfour declaration and the theft of Palestinian
land to create an illegal Jewish state. Europe should pay massive reparations of money and equivalent
land in Europe for the Palestinian refugees living in squalid camps. Neo-con Jews who lobbied
for the Iraq, Syria and Libyan wars should have their wealth confiscated to pay for the mess they
created. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/02/world/africa/02levy.html?_r=2
Jihad Dave is supporting islamist maniacs in Libya and Syria. He succeeded in Libya, along with
the ludicrous Sarkozy clown, but Russia and Iran have stood up to the plate in Syria.
Presumably he's going down the Blair/Clinton route of cosying up to Middle Eastern Supremacist
Cults in the hope that he can increase his income by tens of millions within the next 10 years.
There can be no other explanation for his actions, that have never had anything whatsoever to
do with the interests of either Britain or the wider European community.
For me, the bottom line is that, however much might like to believe it, military intervention
does not create nice, liberal, secular democracies. These can only be fostered from within.
However much we might sympathise with fellow human beings living under brutal dictators and
governments, a country can only really progress from within. Certainly, dialogue, sanctions and
international cooperation can help foster change, but ultimately countries must want to change.
The military, under the instruction of politicians, of the West should be pro-defence but anti-regime
change or "nation building".
I'm not suggesting a completely isolationist position, but offensive military action should
be seen as a last resort.
Mr Jenkins is a knowledgeable man but should've thought through this a bit more before so casually
associating death and destruction and misery with Africa.
China's cultural revolution and the Great Leap Forward alone killed and displaced more people
after the second world war than all the conflicts in Africa put together. How about the break
up of India in 1947? Korean War?
But no when he thought about misery Africa popped into his mind..
Meanwhile the bonds between America and Britain will continue to strengthen. They do so,
against all the odds, because they grow from one culture and one outlook on life. That mercifully
has nothing to do with politicians.
One culture?
One outlook?
Sounds all very Soviet.
So, all Enlightened souls are reduced to a monoculture, within the Anglo American Empire.
Obama is a bill of goods. The Voters that choose him thought that they were getting a progressive,
Obama used the reverend
Wright to make himself seem like a man committed to radical change, but behind Obama was Chicago
investment banker Louis Susman (appointed ambassador to Britain).
Obama, a Harvard law professor, is the choice of the bankers, he does not play a straight bat,
all the wars and killing are someone else's fault. Banking wanted rid of Gaddafi since he threatened
the dollar as the reserve currency (as did Dominique Strauss-Kahn) as does the Euro, Obama let
Cameron think he was calling the shots but he was just Obama's beard. Obama is nothing if not
cunning, when he says stay in Europe but the Elites of the Tory party are pushing for out guess
what, they got the nod from Obama and the Banks.
So? All the numbers in the world can't undo Jenkins' thesis: there is no imperialism-lite. Imperialist
wars are imperialist wars no matter how many die, and whether chaos, or neo-colonial rule follow.
In his interview, Obama claims a more deliberate, opaque, and efficient war machine. To him, and
his conscience, John Brennan, these metrics add up to significant moral milestones. To us innumerates,
it's just more imperialist b.s.
Gadaffy had since long planned to free his country and other African states from the yoke of being
forced to trade within the American dollar sphere. He was about to lance his thoroughy well prepared
alternative welcomed not the least by the Chinese when Libya was attacked. Obama is not truthful
when suggesting the attack was not a "core" interest to the US. It was of supreme interest for
the US to appear with its allies, Gadaffy´s independence of mind being no small challenge.
Gadafy may have been particularly nasty with dissidents, but the UK has plenty of allies in the
Muslim world that are far worse: Saudi Arabia, Bahrain... The Gulf States work their imported
slaves to death and the UK kowtows to them. The UK has supplied billions of pounds worth of weapons
to Saudi Arabia and sent military advisors to advise them how to use them to bomb Yemeni schools
and hospitals.
No, Gaddafy's crime was actually to spend the bulk of Libya's oil revenues on useless things
such as schools, hospitals, housing and subsidised food when that money could have been flowing
into the pockets of the West.
Kosovo is also mentioned. There was a relatively low-level conflict (much like the Northern
Ireland 'troubles') there until NATO started bombing and then oversaw the massive ethnic cleansing
of Kosovo Serbs from their homeland (Serbs are the most ethnically-cleansed group in the former
Yugoslavia: around 500,000 refugees).
Yugoslavia's real crime? It was the last country in Europe to refuse the market economy and
the hegemony of Western banks and corporates.
The message is, 'Accept capitalism red in tooth or claw, or we'll bomb the crap out of you.'
Did the attack on Afghanistan improve the situation? Perhaps temporarily in the cities, some things
got a little better as long as you weren't shot or blown up. Over the country as a whole, it made
the situation much worse.
I remember John Simpson crowing that the Western invaders had freed Afghanistan when they entered
Kabul. My reaction at the time was, 'Well, the Soviets had no problem holding the cities. Wait
until you step outside them.' There followed many years of war achieving pretty much nothing except
to kill a lot of people and get recruits flocking to the Taliban.
It seemed we had learned absolutely nothing from the British and Soviet experiences.
And you seem to have forgotten the multitude of US terror attacks on Muslims before the Afghan
invasion, repackaged for our media as 'targeted attacks with collateral damage'. Bombing aspirin
factories and such. And the First Gulf War. And US bases occupying the region. And the fact that
the situation in Afghanistan was due to the Americans and Saudis having showered weapons and cash
on anyone who was fighting the Soviets, not giving a damn about their aims. Bin Laden, for instance.
And one aspect of law and order under the Taliban was that they virtually stopped opium production.
After the invasion, it rose again to dizzying heights.
The only way to deal with countries such as Afghanistan as it returns to its default system,
along with other, more aggressive rogue states such as Saudi Arabia, is to starve them of all
weapons and then let their peoples sort it out. It may take a long time but it's the sole possibility.
As long as we keep pouring weapons into the Middle East for our own shameful purposes, the
apocalypse will continue.
Reading this excellent article one wonders how the war criminal Blair can be offered any peace-keeping
role in the world or continue to get any air or press time.
Taliban has been trained in the Saudi religious schools in Pakistan. Wahhabism is the official
ideology of Saudi Arabia. 10 out of 11 terrorists 9/11 were the Saudis. All the Islamic terror
in the last two decades was sponsored by the Saudis, including ISIS.
Bosnia - a slow ticking bomb. Just bubbling under the surface. Kosovo - a mafia state run by drug
lord Thaci, supported by the US. It is no secret that the main source of income in Kosovo today
is drugs, prostitution, organ trafficking. Tear gas in Parliament for the third time in as many
months. While the squares full of unemployed young and old are adorned with statues of those that
gave them this opportunity Tony Blair and Bill Clinton were popular but I think their halos are
tarnished somewhat. The situation is so serious that the US is beefing up its presence in camp Bondsteel but you won't read about it in the Guardian.
when British aggression or war crimes are involved, every excuse is trundle out, every
nuance examined, every extenuating circumstance and of course there is always a convenient
statute of limitations
So true . "Oh, oh, but the Spanish/Mongols/Romans etc etc", "Oh, like they were all
so peaceful before Empire came along", "Oh, but but" (ad infinitum).
The bonds between America and Britain will continue to strengthen? Here's hoping. The neo-con cum
neo-ultra liberal dream keeps on giving. Even after Brexit, Britain remains America's poodle
at its peril. The rest of the article is right, but by now accepted wisdom amongst those capable
of independent and rational thought.
Here we go again, off course next phase is the "enlightment" in Al-Andalus...
1. Conflict between sunni and shiites has been dormant for decades. Saudi Arabias promotion
of Wahhabism has awoken it again, along with the catalyst for the recent bloodshed, the invasion
of Iraq. That placed it back in the hands of the majority Shia and upset radical sunnis (eg
the Saudis).
Wahabism grew because of the oil export from Saudi Arabia which started way before World war II.
Bollocks, there was a short period of calm while Europe defeated the Ottoman empire , but the
Mughal empire took great pleasure in slaughtering shiites, and the Ottoman empire had huge conflicts
with the Safavid empire.
2. Pogroms were common against Jews in Europe and Europe has a far worse history of treating
Jews than Muslims ever had. The "golden age of Judaism" in Europe was under Muslim rule in
Spain. Need I mention that the Holocaust was perpetrated by European Christians?
He-he, the fabulous golden age which is always mentioned, no doubt they were golden at that
time compared to Europe, but to compare it today, it would be like living in Nazi Germany as a
Jew before the Nürnberg laws were implemented.
Would you like to pay a special non-muslim tax, step aside when a Muslim passed the street,
be unable to claim any high positions in society to due to your heritage?
3. Didnt forget. the USSR didnt hand them chemical weapons though. That would be the West.
And it wasnt Russia who invaded Iraq later over the scam that they had WMDs.
The Iran-Iraq war made the millions of dead possible primarily due to Soviet equipment, Halabja
killed 5000.
No, Russia prefered Chechnya and directly killed 300.000 civilians with the Grad bombings of cities
and villages, whereas the casualties in Iraq primarily can be contributed to sectional violence.
4. I think you are forgetting Mossadeq in Iran in the 50s. Nasser in Egypt and any Pan-Arab
group that was secular in nature. Pan-Arabism is now dead and radical Islamism is alive and
well thanks to our lust for control over the region.
None of the mentioned were prime examples of democracy, Nasser for example had no problems in
eliminating the Muslim brotherhood or killing 10s of thousands of rebels and civilians in Yemen
with mustard gas.
Obama's remark that the Europeans and Gulf States "detested" Gaddafi and wanted to get rid of
him while others had "humanitarian concerns" is of interest. It's unlikely the Arabs had humanitarian
concerns in all the circumstances; they just wanted Regime Change. It is the lethal combination
of Gulf Arabs and Neo-colonial France and Britain that has driven the Syrian war too- and continues
to do so. No wonder America claims these countries enthuse about war until it comes and then expect
them to fight it. France currently demands the surrender of Assad and for Russia to "leave the
country immediately". Britain says there can be no peace while he remains and that Russia's "interference"
is helping IS.
It's your prerogative whether or not you believe that the US and NATO intervene in countries based
on moral grounds. But if you do want to delude yourself, remember that they only intervene in
countries where they can make money off resources, like Libya and Iraq's oil revenues. If it were
about morality, don't you think NATO and the West would have rushed to help Rwanda during the
genocide?
There are no winners or losers in Iraq, everyone lost. Not a single group benefited from that
western backed regime change, same in Libya and Syria. You do not win when your situation is worse
than it was before Saddam. You can't be a winner when you life in generally worse off than it
was before. basically there is no rule of law now in these nations. Saddam was no monster like
you want to portray him.
Actually, some of those Latin American governments we overthrew were indeed liberal democracies.
As for Canada, there are several reasons we haven't invaded. Too big, too sparse too white...and
economically already a client state. Of course, we did try once: the War of 1812.
"When the same leaders did initially stand aside (as in Syria) "
They didn't stand aside though, they helped create the trouble in the first place, as too with
Libya; gather intelligence to find out who will take up arms, fund, train and give them promises,
get them to organize and attack, then when the dictator strikes back the press swing into action
to tell us all how much of a horrible bastard he is(even though we've been supporting and trading
with him for eons), ergo, we have to bomb him! It's HUMANITARIAN! Not. It would be conquest though.
Frightening.
Obama has done everything in his power to morph into Bush including hiring a flaming chicken hawk
in Ash Carter to play the role of Dick Cheyney. Bush left us with Iraq and Afghanistan, to which
Obama added Egypt with the overthrow of the Muslim Brotherhood, Libya, Syria and Yemen. He also
restarted the Cold War with Russia. He is now going after China for building islands in the South
China Sea, a disputed area, something he as well as other Presidents before him has allowed Israel
to build settlements on disputed land for the past fifty years and throughthrough $ 3.5 billion
in gifts annually, has provided for enough concrete to cover all the land the Palestinians live
on.
The 3.5 billion annually will increase by $40 billion over ten years, unless Netanyahu gets
the increase he wants to 15 billion per year. So Obama must settle on a legacy which makes him
both a warmonger and one of the very best arms dealer in the world. His family must be so proud.
To be a humanitarian intervention, a military intervention has to avoid causing regime collapse,
because people will die because of regime collapse. This is an elementary point that the political
class appears not to want to learn.
I agree with your analysis except the last paragraph. Pretty much in all interventions that
we have witnessed, the political class deliberately caused the regimes to collapse. That was always
the primary goal. Humanitarian intervention were never the primary, secondary or even tertiary
objective.
If the political class want to do some humanitarian interventions, they can always start with
Boko Haram in Nigeria.
America had no "core interest" in Afghanistan or Iraq
The USA was enforcing the UN blockade of Iraq, and had massive forces in place to do it. It was
costing a fortune and there were regular border skirmishes taking place. It has been suggested
that Bush and his advisors thought that they could take out Saddam and then pull all their forces
back to the US. They won't admit it now because of the disaster that unfolded afterwards.
Another good piece. What about all the weapons we sold Israel after they started their recent
slaughter in Gaza and the selling of weapons to Saudi Arabia for use in Yemen (one of the poorest
country's in the world) says everything you need to know about the tory party. They are sub humans
and as such should be treated like dirt. I don't believe in the concept of evil...all a bit religious
for me but if I did, it's what they are.
It astonishes me that these great men and women-I include Sec'y Clinton here-give no indication
that their calculations were made without the slightest knowledge of the countries they were preparing
to attack in one way or another. From what one read in the long NYTimes report on preparations
for the Libyan intervention, the participants in the planning knew a great deal about military
matters and less about Libya than they could have found out in a few minutes with Wikipedia. Tribal
societies are different from western societies, dear people, and you damn well should have known
that.
Honduras. The USA backed the coup there. Honduras is now run by generals and is the world's murder
capital. I could go on, jezzam. Please read William Blum's books on US foreign policy. They provide
evidence that the US record is not good.
Without the US the UK and France couldn't have overthrown Gaddafi. The jihadis would have been
killed or fled Libya. I don't believe any post-Gaddafi plan existed. Why would there have been
one? Killing Gaddafi was the war's aim. A western puppet strong man leader grabbing power would
have been icing on the cake of course but why would the US care about Libya once Gaddafi was gone?
Well, Cameron just followed Obama's 'regime change' bad ideas.
Obama is a failed leader of the World who made our lives so much worse.
Obama likes to entertain recently, so after his presidency the best job for him is a clown in
a circus.
We will never know why Stevens and the others were killed.
Absent reliable information, everyone is free to blame whomever they dislike most.
Based on zero non-partisan information, Hillary is the media's top choice for Big Villain.
She may in fact be more responsible than most for this horror, but she may not be too.
Who ya gonna ask: the CIA, the Pentagon, Ted Cruz?
It seems everyone who's ever even visited Washington,D.C., has some anonymous inside
source that proves Hillary did it.
To hear the GOP tell it, she flew to Libya secretly and shot Stevens herself
just because she damn well felt it, o kay -- (female troubles)
My question is: Where has US/Euro invasion resulted in a better government for all those
Middle Eastern people we blasted to bits of blood and bone? How's Yemen doin' these days?
Hope Europe enjoys assimilating a few million people who share none of Europe's customs,
values or languages.
I'm sure euro-businesses would never hire the new immigrants instead of union-backed
locals.
Why, that would almost be taking advantage of a vast reservoir of ultra-cheap labor!
Nor will the sudden ocean of euro-a-day workers undercut unions or wages in the EU. No siree,
not possible.
Just like unions have not been decimated, and wages have not stagnated in the US since 1980
or so. No siree. Not in Europe .
jezzam writes, "the dictator starts massacring hundreds of thousands of his own civilians." But
he didn't. Cameron lied.
The rebellion against Gaddafi began in February 2011. The British, French and US governments intervened
on their usual pretext of protecting civilians. The UN said that 1,000-2,000 people had been killed
before the NATO powers attacked.
Eight months later, after the NATO attack, 30,000 people had been killed and 50,000 wounded (National
Transitional Council figures).
Cameron made the mess; Cameron caused the vast refugee crisis. The NATO powers are getting what
they want – the destruction of any states and societies that oppose their rule, control over Africa's
rich resources. Libya is now plagued by "relentless warfare where competing militias compete for
power while external accumulators of capital such as oil companies can extract resources under
the protection of private military contractors."
any state that wishes to be taken seriously as a player on the world stage
The classic phrase of imperialism - an attitude that seems to believe any nation has the right
to interfere in, or invade, other countries'.
Usually done under some pretence of moral superiority - it used to be to 'bring the pagans to
God', these days more 'they're not part of our belief system'. In fact, it only really happens
when the imperial nations see the economic interests of their ruling class come under threat.
The USA - and its mini-me, the UK - have so blatantly bombed societies, manipulated governments
and undermined social change in so many parts of the world that their trading positions are under
real threat from emerging economic powers.
The two that they are most scared of are Russia and China, who combined can offer the capital
and expertise to replace the old US / European axis across Africa, for instance. The war is already
being fought on many fronts, as
this article makes clear.
Yes, Obama shows himself for the buffoon he really is. Clinton had it right when the going gets
tough Obama gives a speech (see Cairo).
I, however, would caution against thinking the US led Neoliberal Empire of the Exceptionals
is weakening. Its economic hegemony is almost complete only China and Russia remaining, and Obama
with his "Pivot to Asia" (TM) has them surrounded and all set up for the female Chaney - Clinton
the warmonger to get on with it.
The Empire will only get more and more brutal - it has absolutely no concern for human life
or society - power over the globe as the Pentagon phrases it: "Global full spectrum domination"
don't kid yourself they are going all out to reach their goal and a billion people could be killed
- the Empire would say - so what, it was in our strategic interest.
The odd thing is, Obama didn't seem to think getting rid of Gaddafi a bad thing at all at the
time. Clinton was all, "We came, we saw, he died." And this bit about "no core interest" in Afghanistan
and Iraq is just bizarre. Given the mess both countries are in, and the resurgence of the
Taliban
and zero clue about Iraq it was clearly a master stroke for Obama to decide the US exit both with
no effective governments in place, ones that could deal with the Taliban et al. Never mind, he
can tootle off and play golf.
Very well put, Sir. Obama's self-serving statement is borderline stupid. I constantly wonder why
I voted for him twice.
His Deep State handlers continue from the Bush period and having installed their coterie of
right-wing extremists from Hillary to the Directors of the CIA, FBI, NSA, DOD, ad nauseum Obama
has not had the courage at any point to admit not only the "mess" he makes, but the he is a captive
mess of the shadow government.
America has a historic crisis of leadership and being the sole model left in that field, the
world has followed, the UK and all of Europe included.
Libya is all Hilarys work so expect to return with boots on the ground once Wall Sts finest is
parked in the Oval office. She has the midas touch in reverse and Libya has turned (and will continue)
to turn out worse than Iraq and Syria (believe me its possible) There is absolutely no one on
the ground that the west can work with so the old chestnut of arming and training al qaeda or
'moderate' opposition is not an option. ISIL are solidifying a base there and other than drones
there is zip we can do.
Critising Cameron just shows how insecure Obama is, lets be honest the middle east and afghanistan
are in the state they are because Obama had zero interest in foreign policy when his first term
started, thus allowing the neocons to move into the vacuum and create the utter disaster that
is Syraq and Ukraine. We in europe are now dealing with the aftermath of this via the refugee
crisis which will top 2 million people this year. Obamas a failure and he knows it, hence the
criticism of other leaders. Cameron is no different, foreign policy being almost totally abandoned
to the US, there is no such thing as independent defence policy in the UK, everything is carried
out at the behest of the US. Don't kid yourself we have any autonomy, we don't and there are plenty
of high level armed forces personnel who feel the same way. Europe is leaderless in general and
with the economy flatlining they too have abandoned defence and foreign affairs to the pentagon.
Right now we're in the quiet before the storm, once HRC gets elected expect the situation to
deteriorate rapidly, our only hope is that someone has got the dirt to throw her out of the race.
ISIS established itself in Iraq before moving into Syria. Would ISIS exist is Britain had not
totally destabilized Iraq? Going back even further, it is the 100th anniversary of the Sykes-Picot
agreement, that great exercise in British Imperialism that created the artificial nations in the
Middle East that are collapsing today.
Your comment is so stereotyped: when British aggression or war crimes are involved, every
excuse is trundle out, every nuance examined, every extenuating circumstance and of course there
is always a convenient statute of limitations. But when others are involved, specifically America
and Israel, the same Guardian readers allow no excuses or nuances and every tiny detail going
back hundreds of years is repeatedly and thoroughly examined.
Transparent hypocrisy. Accept responsibility and stop offloading it to Calais.
Ambassador Stevens was killed in a cover up over the arms dealing from Libya to Syria, (weapons
and fighters to ISIS). It seems more likely that he was killed because he was investigating the
covert operation given that he was left to fend for himself by all US military forces but in a
classic defamation strategy he has been accused of being behind the operation. Had he been he
would have been well defended.
"Defense" has become attack, keeping alive the military-industrial lobbies and lumbering
military establishments that depend on it.
Couldn't put it better myself. Yes, America is a full blown Empire now. Evil to it's very core.
Bent on world domination and any cost. All we lack is a military dictatorship. Of course, with
the nation populated by brainwashed sheep, a "Dear Leader" is inevitable,
President Obama was correct in keeping US boots off the ground in Syria. An active US troop presence
would have resulted in an even greater level of confusion and destruction on all sides. However,
it was precisely the US' meddling in Libya that helped pave the way for its current dysfunctional,
failed state status, riven by sectarian conflicts and home to a very active Al Quaida presence.
US interference in Libya saw Gadaffi backstabbed by the US before literally being stabbed to death
although he had been given assurances that the US would respect his rule particularly as he had
sought to become part of the alliance against the likes of Al Quaida.
Obama was behind the disgraceful lie that the mob that attacked the US' Benghazi Embassy and murdered
Ambassador Smith y was 'inflamed' by an obscure video on youtube that attacked extremist elements
of the Islamic faith. Smith deserved better than this blatant lie and the grovelling, snivelling
faux apologies Obama and then Secretary of State Hilary Clinton made to the Muslim world for something
that had nothing to do with 99.9 percent of non Muslims.
Smith was murdered by extremists that took over Libya precisely because the death of Gadaffi left
a dangerous power vacuum. The US aided and abetted certain groups, weapons found their way to
the worse groups and Smith, a brave man, was his own country's victim in one sense. Hilary Clinton
who should have known better publicly gloated over Gadaffi's death. Since his death the victimisation
of black Libyans and other black Africans has become common, Libya has been overrun by extremists,
and as we write is being used as a conduit for uncontrolled entry into Europe.
Disappointingly, President Obama forgets the Biblical saying about pointing out a speck in somebody's
eye while ignoring the plank in his own.
Mr President doesn't privately refer to the Libyan upheaval as the "shit show" for no good reason.
The chaos and anarchy that have ensued since, including the migrant crisis in Europe and the rise
of Islamic State, is directly attributable to the shoddy interventionist approach used by both
Britain and France.
Good article, with justified moral indignation. Only thing I would have changed, is "imperialism-lite"
to 'lesser and greater imperialism.
Would it not have been a great contribution towards peace and justice, had the US decided not
to invade Iraq and Libya, on account that other western countries were "free-riders" and would
not have pulled their weight?
So, what does the world needs now? More 'free-riding countries' to dissuade so-called responsible
countries - Britain, France, America, Italy - from conspiring to invade other countries, after
consulting in the equivalent of a 'diplomatic toilet and drawing up their war plans on the back
of the proverbial cigarette packet.'
For all Obama's niceties, it would now appear that he has been seething and mad as hell about
his perception of Britain and France 'abandoning' Libya and watching it perceptible
destabilizing
the region and the flames fanning farther afield.
The biggest unanswered and puzzling question, is that of how could Obama have expected or assumed
that Britain and France would have stayed behind and clean up the mess they and the Americans
have made of Libya? Why did the Americans resolved to play only the part of 'hired guns' to go
in and blitzed the Libyan Government and its armed forces, and neglected to learn the lesson of
planning what should follow after the destruction?
The argument that the Americans had assumed that France and Britain would clean up the euphemistic
mess has little or no credibility, since all three countries had been very clear about not wanting
American, British and French 'boots on the ground.'
Is the Americans now telling the world that they went into Libya without planning for the aftermath,
because it was 'an emergency to save lives' and they had to go in immediately?
Well, if so, that is now how nations behave responsibly, and it is now clear that more lives
have probably been lost and continue to be sacrificed, than those which might have been saved
as a result of the West invading and attacking Libya.
the Europeans expected America to pick up the tab for reconstruction
I don't think there would be many complaints from Halliburton or other American companies to
help with the reconstruction, if the place wasn't such a shit-storm right now.
"The result has been mass killing, destruction and migration on a scale not seen, at least outside
Africa, since the second world war."
Judging from the sentiments expressed in the overwhelming majority of comments posted on multiple
threads on this forum, the British people don't want to accept responsibility for "migration on
a scale not seen... since the second world war". The almost universal resistance to accepting
refugees and migrants that fled their homes due to unprovoked British aggression is disgusting
and pathetic. It highlights the hypocrisy of those who see themselves morally fit to judge almost
everyone else.
Mitchell says that we had a plan to stabilise Libya but that it could not be implement the plan
because there was no peace?#*^..... Der
We bombed in support of competing Jihadis groups, bandits and local war Lords then our well
laid plans for a Utopian peace were thwarted because of the unforeseen chaos created as the Militias
we gave close airsupport to fought over the spoils.
Well there you have it- its the fault of the Libyans.
Hilary Clinton recently blamed Sarkozy for Libya describing him as so "very excited" about the
need to start bombing that he persuaded her and she, Nuland and Power persuaded a reluctant Obama.
Three civilian females argued down the military opinion that it was unnecessary and likely to
cause more trouble than it was worth.
As this was clearly to support French interests the Americans
insisted the Europeans do it themselves if they were that keen. Old Anglo-French rivalry has never
been far from the surface in the ME and it seems Cameron jumped on the bandwagon in fear France
would take all the glory. Neither of them appear to have given any thought about reconstruction.
The blame is mostly Cameron's as Sorkozy was chucked out of office just months later. Did Cameron
have a plan at all? If so it was his biggest mistake and one we'll be paying for over the coming
years.
Without Putin's mischief making though, this would have been sorted out long ago.
Putin intervened in September 2015. What have the West been doing since 2011 to stop the conflict,
one wonders.
Russia vetoes any UN attempt to sort out the mess
Looking bad you'd realize that it at least prompted Obama to retract in 2013. Since then though
support to Saudi and proxies destabilizing Syria has only increased.
Russia is clearing the mess of the West, and they should be grateful. Obama might be from what
I read today from his "confessions".
Yes. I don't think that is a pro-imperialist stance. He's arguing that there is no middle ground;
getting rid of dictators you don't like is imperialism, and whether you follow through or not,
there are serious consequences, but to not follow through is an abnegation of moral responsibility
to the people you are at attemting to "free". It seems to me he is arguing against any foreign
intervention, hence his castigation of Obama and Cameron for the "ethical wasteland of their wars
of intervention."
Please do me a favour and study 20th century history a little more. The US overthrow countless
democracies in Latin America and the Middle East and installed fascist dictatorships.
Liberal Democracy haha come on now. They dont care about Democracy. They care about money.
They will install and support any dictatorship (look at Saudi Arabia for example) as long as they
do as they are told economically.
I love western values, dont get me wrong. It is the best place to live freely. However, if
you werent lucky enough to be born in the west and the west wants something your country has (eg.
oil).....you are in for a lot of bad times.
I just wish western leaders/governments actually followed the western values that we all love
and hold dear.
We should remember that we funded the terrorists in Libya and then sent weapons to ISIS from Libya
to Syria that is we again used Al Qaeda as a proxy force. We then again used the "threat" from
the proxy forces i,e. Al Qaeda to justify mass surveillance of the general population.
The solution as Corbyn pointed out is to stop funding the Terrorists.
By the terms of the agreement, funding came from Turkey, as well as Saudi Arabia and Qatar;
the CIA, with the support of MI6, was responsible for getting arms from Gaddafi's arsenals
into Syria. A number of front companies were set up in Libya, some under the cover of Australian
entities. Retired American soldiers, who didn't always know who was really employing them,
were hired to manage procurement and shipping. The operation was run by David Petraeus, the
CIA director who would soon resign when it became known he was having an affair with his biographer.
Peter Oborne investigates claims that Britain and the West embarked on an unspoken alliance
of convenience with militant jihadi groups in an attempt to bring down the Assad regime.
He hears how equipment supplied by the West to so called Syrian moderates has ended up in
the hands of jihadis, and that Western sponsored rebels have fought alongside Al Qaeda. But
what does this really tell us about the conflict in Syria?
This edition of The Report also examines the astonishing attempt to re brand Al Nusra, Al
Qaeda's Syrian affiliate, as an organisation with which we can do business.
What is good that this is finally coming out ,the denial by both Obama and a very left wing media
has failed to confront this issue in what is an incredibly low point for Obama and Hilary Clinton
and their naive ideas about the Arab Spring.
As it is equally so for David Cameron and William Hague. Sarkozy is different he was not naive
he knew exactly what he was doing thais was about saving french influence in North Africa,he was
thinking about Tunisa, Algeria which he was keen to drag others into -- He was the most savvy of
all those politicians at least he was not a fool,but France priorities are not the same as the
UK --
Obama's comments once again as usual do not really confront the real problems of Libya and
gloss over the key issues and ending up passing the buck, he can do no wrong ? It was not the
aftermath of Libya but the whole idea of changing the controlling demographics of the country
which he played a major part in destabilising through the UN AND Nato which was the problem --
It was thought the lessons of Iraq was all about not putting boots on the ground ,or getting
your feet dirty ,as this antagonises the locals and that a nice clinical arms length bombardment
creating havoc ,is the best way to go .
This was not the lesson of Iraq , which was actually not to destabilise the controlling demographics
of the country which will never recover if you do ..It is one thing to depose a leader or ask
a leader to step down but do not disturb 100 of years controlling demographics, sectarian or not
in these countries is not wise . To do so is a misstep or misjudgement --
Demographics are like sand dunes they have taken many years to evolve and rest uneasy, in the
highly religious and sectarian landscape but can be unsettled over night, grain by grain even
by a small shift in the evening night breeze , a small beetle can zig zag across and the whole
dune will crumble
Once again the US pushed the UK who vied with France at how high they could jump, using the
UN blank cheque as cover ,for melting down the country and has left UN credibilty in taters has
now no credibility and Nato is now not trusted .
They took disgracefully no less the UN 1973 Peace Resolution , point one, Cease fire and point
two No Fly Zone .They bent it , twisted it , contorted it into blatant out right support of the
eastern shiite sympathisers sectarian group, against the more secular Sunni Tripoli groups .
(Gaddafi was not one man Mr apologist Rifkind he was the tribal leaders of a quite a large
tribe !)
Which has been part of a historic rivalry going back hundreds of years . They killed more civilians
that Gaddafi ever had or could have done . They even attacked in a no fly zone government troops
retreating and fired on government planes on the ground in a non fly zone .
Then they refused to negotiate with the government or allow the Organisation of African states
to mediate who had agreed general elections .They went on bombing until there was no infrastructure
no institutions or sand dunes ,or beetles left --
It was done after Iraq and that is why it is so shameful and why Obama , Cameron, Sarkozy ,
the UN , Nato must face up to what they have done , and after the Chilcot enquiry there needs
to be a Cameron enquiry . Presumably it will have the backing of Obama --
What is worse is the knock on effect on this massive arm caches and fighters from Libya then
went on to Syria, reek havoc and destabilised the country . Because Russia and China could never
trust again the UN , the UN has been ineffective in Syria for that very reason .The deaths of
British tourist in next door Tunisia has to laid firmly at David Cameron's and the foreign office
door --
No wonder Libya is keeping Obama awake at night , no wonder he is indulging in damage limitation
, no wonder he is trying to re write history ? How can I get this out of my legacy . If only I
had not met Mr Cameron a yes man -- If only I had been told by some with an once of common sense
, not to touch this country with a barge pole ?
The poor Libyan people will agree with him --
The lesson for the UK is do want you think is right not what the US thinks as right , a lesson
that David Cameron has failed to learn , and has shown he is not a safe pari of hands and lacks
judgement --
1. Conflict between sunni and shiites has been dormant for decades. Saudi Arabias promotion of
Wahhabism has awoken it again, along with the catalyst for the recent bloodshed, the invasion
of Iraq. That placed it back in the hands of the majority Shia and upset radical sunnis (eg the
Saudis).
2. Pogroms were common against Jews in Europe and Europe has a far worse history of treating
Jews than Muslims ever had. The "golden age of Judaism" in Europe was under Muslim rule in Spain.
Need I mention that the Holocaust was perpetrated by European Christians?
3. Didnt forget. the USSR didn't hand them chemical weapons though. That would be the West.
And it wasn't Russia who invaded Iraq later over the scam that they had WMDs.
4. I think you are forgetting Mossadeq in Iran in the 50s. Nasser in Egypt and any Pan-Arab
group that was secular in nature. Pan-Arabism is now dead and radical Islamism is alive and well
thanks to our lust for control over the region.
Obama? Censored? You forgot Hillary. she even said the other day at the townhall before Miss/MI
to the effect 'if Assad had been taken out early like Gaddafi then Syria would only be as bad
as Libya'. laughable really. i presume you aren't criticising Hillary Clinton?
Kosovo is now basket case that we are paying for but it is small. Now we have also backed NeoCon
regime change in Ukraine which we are going to be paying for. Libya will soon have enough Jihadist
training camps to be a direct threat.
What we see is a Strategy of Chaos from the US NeoCons but what we have failed to notice is
that the NeoCons see us as the target, as the enemy.
Totally agree that there is no such thing as Imperialism Lite, just as there is no such thing
as Wahabi Lite or Zionism Lite. So I wonder why Hilary Benn thinks Britain has anything to feel
proud about our foreign policy. It seems to me Britain's Foreign Policy is a combination of incompetence,
jingoism and pure evil.
What is the point of employing the brightest brains in the land at the Foreign Office when we
get it wrong almost all the time ?
"Western warmongering over the past two decades has had nothing to do with the existential defence
of territory. "Defence" has become attack, keeping alive the military-industrial lobbies and lumbering
military establishments that depend on it."
Attacking Al qaeda in Afghanistan had nothing to do with defending territory?
Libyan 'rebels' were armed and trained by 'the West' in a first place. The plan was the same for
Syria but Russians stopped it with not allowing 'no fly zone' or to call it properly 'bomb them
into the stone age'.
You probably don't know how 'bloody' Gaddafi was to the Libyans.
* GDP per capita - $ 14,192.
* For each family member the state pays $ 1000 grants per year.
* Unemployment - $ 730.
* Salary Nurse - $ 1000.
* For every newborn is paid $ 7000.
* The bride and groom given away $ 64,000 to buy an apartment.
* At the opening of a one-time personal business financial assistance - $ 20,000.
* Large taxes and extortions are prohibited.
* Education and medicine are free.
* Education and training abroad - at the expense of the state.
* Store chain for large families with symbolic prices of basic foodstuffs.
* For the sale of products past their expiry date - large fines and detention.
* Part of pharmacies - with free dispensing.
* For counterfeiting - the death penalty.
* Rents - no.
* No Fees for electricity for households!
* Loans to buy a car and an apartment - interest free.
* Real estate services are prohibited.
* Buying a car up to 50% paid by the state, for militia fighters - 65%.
* Gasoline is cheaper than water. 1 liter - 0,14 $.
* If a Libyan is unable to get employment after graduation the state would pay the average salary
of the profession as if he or she is employed until employment is found.
* Gaddafi carried out the world's largest irrigation project, known as the Great Man-Made River
project, to make water readily available throughout the desert country
The Gadaffi regime had upset the USA because Gadaffi was setting up an oil currency system based
on gold rather than US dollars. While this was not the sole reason the West turned against him
it was an important factor. The largest factor for the wars so far, and the planned war against
Iran was to cut out the growing Russian domination of the oil supply to Europe, China and India.
A decent article as we could expect from the author.
However personally I doubt there was no ulterior motive in the case of Lybia. Lybia was one
of the countries who tried the change the status quo on the oil market and it has huge reserves
too (as we know Europe is running out of oil, at least Great Britain is).
It is very likely that the European countries retreated because Libya started to look like
another Iraq.
When you are talking about "democratic forces of the revolution.." i imagine you being an enthusiastic
teenager girl who hardly knows anything about the world but goes somewhere far for a gap year
as a volunteer to make locals aware of something that will help them forever. It is instead of
demanding responsible policies and accountability from her own government.
Sorry!!!
What planet have you been living on. What do you read apart from lifestyle magazines full of shots
of celebrity boobs and bums.
The United states is the most interventionist country in history. Of its 237 years of existence
it has been at war or cold war for 222 of those years. NATO is behind ISIS and the wars in Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Chechen, Afghanistan, Libya and Ukraine.
If the West stopped intervening there would be very few wars and if the West used its influence
for peace rather than control there would rarely be any was at all.
Well put. People forget the importance of oil in maintaining the standard of living in our western
democracies. Controlling it's supply trumps all other issues.
Jane they didn't "come apart" and Libya and Syria were the most stable and least under the thumb
of radicals. Syria had equality and education for women who could wear whatever they wanted.
Furthermore they did not fall apart they were attacked by the largest military forces in the world
excluding Russia. NATO sent in special operations forces to destabilise the government. They along
with Al Nusra and other violent Wahabi terrorists attacked police and army barracks, and when
Assads police and military hit back it was presented by the Western media and propagandists as
an attack on the people of Syria. Do you think any other country would allow terrorists to attack
police and other public institutions without retaliating and restoring order.
Many people who do not accept the Western medias false reporting at face value know that the wars
in Syria were about changing the leaders and redrawing national boundaries to isolate Iran and
sideline Russian influence. It was and is an illegal war and it was the barbarity of our Western
leaders that caused the terrible violence. It was a pre planned plan and strategy outlined in
the US Special Forces document below.
http://nsnbc.me/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/special-forces-uw-tc-18-01.pdf
If you get your facts right it ruins your argument doesn't it.
In the Libyan case, it was a clear US strategy to put in the forefront their English and French
valets, in a coup (euphemistically called "regime change") wanted by them.
The nobel peace winner got some nerves to put the blame on his accomplices for the chaos in Libya, while
the permanent objective of the US is to divide and conquer, sowing chaos wherever it occurs: Afghanistan,
Sudan, Iraq, Syria. Also Hillary is no stranger to the actions in Libya.
These Middle East countries should have been left alone by the West. Due to their nature, these
countries have strong divisions and battle for their beliefs and a strong man, a dictator is what
prevented them to fall into the chaos they are today. Without the Western meddling, arming and
financing various rebel groups, Isis would not exist today.
Neither is putting political opponents in acid baths and burning tyres, as Tony Blair's friends
in the central Asian Republics have been doing, neither is beheading gays, raped women and civil
rights protesters, as Cameron's Saudi friends have been enjoying, the latter whilst we sell them
shit loads of munitions to obliterate Yemeni villagers. I wonder how the Egyptian president is
getting on with all that tear gas and bullets we sold him? And are the Bahrani's, fresh from killing
their own people for daring to ask for civil rights, enjoying the cash we gave them for that new
Royal Navy base? Our foreign policy is complacent and inconsistent, we talk about morality but
the bottom line is that that doesn't come into it when BAE systems and G4S have contracts to win.
Don't get me wrong, Britain has played a positive role internationally in many different areas,
but there is always a neo-liberal arsehole waiting to pop up and ruin the lives of millions, a
turd with a school tie that just wont be flushed away.
Simon Jenkins, don't pretend you were against American punitive expeditions around the world to
overthrow third world dictators.
You worked from the same neo-con ideological script to defend the ultra-liberal, military industrial
economy; scare mongering in the pages of the Guardian, as far back as I can remember. You lot are as totally discredited as Bush, Cheney, Rumsfield and American
Nato toadies.
It is high time that Europe reviewed and evaluated its relationship with the United States, with
NATO, Russia and China. The world needs to be a peaceable place and there needs to be more legislation
imposed upon the Financial Markets to stop them being a place where economic destabilisation and
warfare can and do take place. The United States would not contemplate these reviews taking place
as they are integral to their continuing position in the world but also integral to the problems
we are all experiencing? It will take a brave Europe to do this but it is a step that has to be
taken if the world is to move forward! Britain should be a huge part of this, outside a weakend
EU this would benefit the United States from Britains lack of input, another reason we should
vote to stay and be positive to our European position. The most vulnerable herring is the one
that breaks out of the shoal?
Libya , Ukraine ,Syria have had the same recipe of de-stabilisation by the US and NATO. The so
called popular rebels were in fact CIA trained and financed. Jihadist in Libya and Syria and neo-Nazis
in Ukraine.
After completing regime change in Libya as planned ,the Jihadist, with their looted arms were transferred
to Syria and renamed ISIS.
ISIS is Washingtons Foreign Legion army, used as required for their Imperial ends.
Renamed as required on whichever territory they operate
Cameron has been given a free pass on Libya. It really is quite astonishing. The man has turned a functioning society into a jihadi infested failed state which is exporting
men and weapons across North Africa and down the Sahara and now serves as a new front line for
ISIS
Cameron's Libya policy from start to finish is a foreign policy catastrophe and in a just world
would have seen him thrown out of office on his ear
Attacking Libya and deposing Gaddafi was down to enforcing the R2P doctrine on the pretext of
"stopping another Rwanda". But it was a pretext. Islamist rebels attacked the armouries within
Libya and the Libyans had every right to try and put down the rebellion. Samantha Powers et al
were the war mongers.
Then there is this gem: "Egypt's President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi has called for a United Nations
resolution allowing international forces to intervene in Libya.
There was no other choice, he told French radio. "We will not allow them to cut off the heads
of our children."
"We abandoned the Libyan people as prisoners to extremist militias," Mr Sisi told Europe 1
radio. He was referring to the aftermath of the 2011 war in which Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi
was toppled with the help of an international coalition.
That intervention was "an unfinished mission", he said."
The US, France and the UK own this ongoing mess but do not have the moral fortitude to clean
it up. As with the "Arab Spring", this will not end well.
The 2011 regime change shenanigans of the west against Libya is colonialism at its worst from
all the parties who instigated it. The aftermath, the resultant mayhem and chaos, was in itself
adding insult to injury. Gaddafi was no saint, but the militias, Muslim Brotherhood and ISIS now
running rampant in the country are infinitely worse. This is a war crime of the first magnitude
and no effort should be spared to address it
The west who propped up the Saudis, who's crazy wahhabi brand of Islam helped radicalise the Islamic
world with 100 billion dollars spent on promoting it.
The west who created israel and then has done nothing to stop israels ever growing land theft
and occupation over decades (not even a single sanction)...leading the Muslim world to hate us
more for our hypocrisy and double standards.
The west who has assassinated or organised coups against democratically elected secular leaders
who didn't give us their natural resources (eg iran) and installed brutal, clepto dictatorships
who also take part in plundering the resources leaving the general population poor, uneducated
and susceptible to indoctrination from Islamists.
The west who arms brutal dictators to wage proxy wars and then invades and bombs these same
dictators countries over claims they have WMDs (that we sold to them).
The west has been intervening in the middle east alot longer than post 9/11. We are very very
culpable for the disasters engulfing the region.
Libya was "not so at the core of US interests that it makes sense for us to unilaterally strike
against the Gaddafi regime"
Let's examine what Obama is saying here: when it is perceived to be at the core of US
interests, the USA reserves the right to attack any country, at any time.
The world inhabits a moral vacuum, and in that state, any country can justifiably choose to
do anything, against anyone, for any reason. And this guy got the Nobel Peace Prize.
In this despicable saga, Cameron's Libyan venture was a sideshow, though one that has destabilised
north Africa and may yet turn it into another Islamic State caliphate.
You forgot to mention Cameron was only following Sarkozy .
Don't forget the French role .
25 February 2011: Sarkozy said Gaddafi "must go."
28 February 2011: British Prime Minister David Cameron proposed the idea of a no-fly zone
11 March 2011: Cameron joined forces with Sarkozy after Sarkozy demanded immediate action
from international community for a no-fly zone against air attacks by Gaddafi.
14 March 2011: In Paris at the Élysée Palace, before the summit with the G8 Minister for
Foreign Affairs, Sarkozy, who is also the president of the G8, along with French Foreign Minister
Alain Juppé met with US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and pressed her to push for intervention
in Libya
.
19 March 2011: French[72] forces began the military intervention in Libya, later joined
by coalition forces
Well said in the headline. Imperialism-lite/heavy, colonialism, and neo-colonialism don't work,
should be a thing of the past. Intervening in the politics of another country is a mug's game.
Don't understand why Obama is blaming Cameron for it, perhaps playing to his domestic gallery.
Blair's love fest with the deluded Gaddafi family, followed by the volte-face of pushing for his
violent overthrow by the next government, were both severely misguided policies. Need to diplomatically
encourage change, in foreign policy, and the desired type of political movements to take hold.
Military interventions have the opposite effect, so does propping up dictators, religiously fanatical
regimes, proven time and time again.
So the choices are to do nothing, or invade and create a colony?
Pretty much. As Jenkins rightly says, if you want to launch an aggressive war you either do
it or you don't. If you do it then it is your responsibility to clear up the mess, however many
of your own lives are lost and however much it costs. Trashing a country and then buggering off
is not an option.
Of course, using force for defensive reasons is fine. That's why modern warmongering politicians
always call it "defence" when they drop bombs on innocent people in faraway countries. It is no
such thing.
There was no massacre, not even a hint of one. Total obfuscation to give Hillary Clinton a foreign
policy "success" so that she could use it as a springboard to the presidency. "Hillary Clinton
was so proud of her major role in instigating the war against Libya that she and her advisors
initially planned to use it as basis of a "Clinton doctrine", meaning a "smart power" regime change
strategy, as a presidential campaign slogan.
War creates chaos, and Hillary Clinton has been an eager advocate of every U.S. aggressive
war in the last quarter of a century. These wars have devastated whole countries and caused an
unmanageable refugee crisis. Chaos is all there is to show for Hillary's vaunted "foreign policy
experience".
"... Obama is just another establishment drone like Bush and Clinton. If you already hate Wall Street then all these people are covered. Obama is a corporate lawyer who worked for Wall Street. Nothing new here to see. ..."
"... Obama: pre-emptive strikes on Afghanistan, Libya, Syria--all of which have resulted in disasters like the growth of ISIS. Obama: Meets weekly to decide where the drones will kill people, without charge or trial (and without revealing who the targets are and what the success/failure was--and how much "collateral damage" there was in human lives.) Certainly the most lawless president we've had--and the most bloodthirsty. ..."
"... "The most lawless president . . . and the most bloodthirsty?" One need not support Obama to know that he's not even close the most bloodthirsty, or lawless. I strongly recommend you study Nixon, LBJ, and Reagan. Then drop back to Eisenhower and Guatemala to wrap up the bloody evening. ..."
"... I was counting all blood, not simply American blood, which is what I thought the original post was doing. I would also count proxies, such as the Contra, because American aid was essential to them. I would not count the aid Reagan covertly provided Iraq, because that war would have been long and horrid in any event. ..."
"... The lawlessness question is more complex. Nixon and Reagan set up clandestine organizations that did not appear in any budget line, both of which performed illegal actions. (Nixon's was more serious because the Plumbers' actions related to domestic opponents.) ..."
"... So are Yemen, Syria, Honduras and Ukraine ... all put in play during Obama's reign. But much of the credit goes to Hillary and the other war harpies in the Administration. Obama has tried to pull back from the brink. ..."
"... Obama did nothing to de-escalate the conflict in the Ukraine. The "somewhat" means you don't have any clue at all. It has to to more with Putin not wanting to conquer the entire Ukraine. The Ukrainians could have been initially defeated, but holding them down would be impossible. ..."
"... And the fact is the Foreign Policy Establishment is utterly mad; they're furious at Obama for not implementing their crazy militaristic schemes. Which is more or less the same story that Goldberg reports here in the Atlantic. ..."
"... According to the State Department's neoCon Czarina for European Affairs, the US pumped $5 Billion into underwriting NGO agitation in Ukraine. Nuland herself was on the front-lines in the Maidan and picked out "our guy Yats" ... In fact, Congress has passed a motion to prevent further funds to the neo-Nazis in Kiev. ..."
"... Syria was invaded by a jihadi army largely armed by the US (part of the Benghazi affair involved the US Ambassador shipping weapons seized from Qaddafi to the Syrian jihadis via Turkey) and funded by US allies in the Gulf monarchies and Turkey. ..."
"... Russia - not "Putin" - is fighting to defend Syrians - not "Assad" - from terrorist aggressors. ..."
"... Currently, about 4,000 fighters of the 25,000 estimated (by the US) in Latakia province have laid down their weapons. Most of these have been re-deployed back into their original territories alongside Syrian Arab Army support units. ..."
"... That comes out to about 80% of the fighters in Syria are Al Qaida or ISIS-affiliated, and the *VAST* majority of these fighters are foreign mercenaries. ..."
"... Acknowledgement of Obama's feckless, misguided foreign policy is not an endorsement of Bush's adventurism. ..."
"... Hillary Clinton and Samantha Power are engaging in pure speculation that starting this CIA program a few months earlier would have had a different outcome. Why so? This is nothing more than wishful thinking. ..."
"... Our real mistake was in not supporting the 2012 Geneva peace plan which called for post-civil war elections that would include Assad. We maintained an absolutist demand for 'Assad must go' so of course he and the people who depend on him, 50% to 60% of the population would soldier on. ..."
"... American foreign policy has been a disaster since Kissinger. Neocons convinced many on the right it was a solid ideology. Many of you cheered when Reagan armed Al Qaeda, transferred weapons to Iran, terrorized Central/South America by arming death squads and displacing indigenous people to make way for large multinationals. And, to add insult to injury, you all cheered for Bush initiated torture on our soil (torture has been a tool for decades at black sites), created Guantanamo, started illegal wars, helped to foment a global economic system that is the equivalent of carpet bombing, especially as it relates to weaker or poorer countries; the list goes on. ..."
"... You're not wrong about Obama. He has embraced the same insanity, although, not to the same extent. Neoconservatism needs to die but gullible fools in both parties seem to embrace the insanity when their guy is in charge. ..."
"... Hillary supports the same ideology as Bush but you guys will pretend to hate her and Dems will now say her plans are great. It's Americans who allow this insanity to continue. ..."
"... Afghans and Saudis including Bin Laden were first trained by the US, and then the UK. Read the link I attached, Carter started this mass bloodshed and he isn't the least repentant. Yeah, that sweet old peanut farmer is almost as bad as Hitler. Shucks. ..."
"... Bin Laden was, though, a product of a monumental miscalculation by western security agencies. Throughout the 80s he was armed by the CIA and funded by the Saudis to wage jihad against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan. Al-Qaida, literally "the database", was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians. Inexplicably, and with disastrous consequences, it never appears to have occurred to Washington that once Russia was out of the way, Bin Laden's organisation would turn its attention to the west. ..."
Obama said that to achieve this rebalancing, the U.S. had to absorb the diatribes and insults
of superannuated Castro manqués. "When I saw Chávez, I shook his hand and he handed me a Marxist
critique of the U.S.–Latin America relationship," Obama recalled. "And I had to sit there and listen
to Ortega"-Daniel Ortega, the radical leftist president of Nicaragua-"make an hour-long rant against
the United States. But us being there, not taking all that stuff seriously-because it really wasn't
a threat to us"-helped neutralize the region's anti-Americanism.
The president's unwillingness to counter the baiting by American adversaries can feel emotionally
unsatisfying, I said, and I told him that every so often, I'd like to see him give Vladimir Putin
the finger. It's atavistic, I said, understanding my audience.
"It is," the president responded coolly. "This is what they're looking for."
He described a relationship with Putin that doesn't quite conform to common perceptions. I had
been under the impression that Obama viewed Putin as nasty, brutish, and short. But, Obama told me,
Putin is not particularly nasty.
"The truth is, actually, Putin, in all of our meetings, is scrupulously polite, very frank. Our
meetings are very businesslike. He never keeps me waiting two hours like he does a bunch of these
other folks." Obama said that Putin believes his relationship with the U.S. is more important than
Americans tend to think. "He's constantly interested in being seen as our peer and as working with
us, because he's not completely stupid. He understands that Russia's overall position in the world
is significantly diminished. And the fact that he invades Crimea or is trying to prop up Assad doesn't
suddenly make him a player. You don't see him in any of these meetings out here helping to shape
the agenda. For that matter, there's not a G20 meeting where the Russians set the agenda around any
of the issues that are important."
Russia's invasion of Crimea in early 2014, and its decision to use force to buttress the rule
of its client Bashar al-Assad, have been cited by Obama's critics as proof that the post-red-line
world no longer fears America.
So when I talked with the president in the Oval Office in late January, I again raised this question
of deterrent credibility. "The argument is made," I said, "that Vladimir Putin watched you in Syria
and thought, He's too logical, he's too rational, he's too into retrenchment. I'm going to push
him a little bit further in Ukraine."
Obama didn't much like my line of inquiry. "Look, this theory is so easily disposed of that I'm
always puzzled by how people make the argument. I don't think anybody thought that George W. Bush
was overly rational or cautious in his use of military force. And as I recall, because apparently
nobody in this town does, Putin went into Georgia on Bush's watch, right smack dab in the middle
of us having over 100,000 troops deployed in Iraq." Obama was referring to Putin's 2008 invasion
of Georgia, a former Soviet republic, which was undertaken for many of the same reasons Putin later
invaded Ukraine-to keep an ex–Soviet republic in Russia's sphere of influence.
"Putin acted in Ukraine in response to a client state that was about to slip out of his grasp.
And he improvised in a way to hang on to his control there," he said. "He's done the exact same thing
in Syria, at enormous cost to the well-being of his own country. And the notion that somehow Russia
is in a stronger position now, in Syria or in Ukraine, than they were before they invaded Ukraine
or before he had to deploy military forces to Syria is to fundamentally misunderstand the nature
of power in foreign affairs or in the world generally. Real power means you can get what you want
without having to exert violence. Russia was much more powerful when Ukraine looked like an independent
country but was a kleptocracy that he could pull the strings on."
Obama's theory here is simple: Ukraine is a core Russian interest but not an American one, so
Russia will always be able to maintain escalatory dominance there.
"The fact is that Ukraine, which is a non-nato country, is going to be vulnerable to military
domination by Russia no matter what we do," he said.
I asked Obama whether his position on Ukraine was realistic or fatalistic.
"It's realistic," he said. "But this is an example of where we have to be very clear about what
our core interests are and what we are willing to go to war for. And at the end of the day, there's
always going to be some ambiguity." He then offered up a critique he had heard directed against him,
in order to knock it down. "I think that the best argument you can make on the side of those who
are critics of my foreign policy is that the president doesn't exploit ambiguity enough. He doesn't
maybe react in ways that might cause people to think, Wow, this guy might be a little crazy."
"The 'crazy Nixon' approach," I said: Confuse and frighten your enemies by making them think you're
capable of committing irrational acts.
"But let's examine the Nixon theory," he said. "So we dropped more ordnance on Cambodia and Laos
than on Europe in World War II, and yet, ultimately, Nixon withdrew, Kissinger went to Paris, and
all we left behind was chaos, slaughter, and authoritarian governments that finally, over time, have
emerged from that hell. When I go to visit those countries, I'm going to be trying to figure out
how we can, today, help them remove bombs that are still blowing off the legs of little kids. In
what way did that strategy promote our interests?"
But what if Putin were threatening to move against, say, Moldova-another vulnerable post-Soviet
state? Wouldn't it be helpful for Putin to believe that Obama might get angry and irrational about
that?
"There is no evidence in modern American foreign policy that that's how people respond. People
respond based on what their imperatives are, and if it's really important to somebody, and it's not
that important to us, they know that, and we know that," he said. "There are ways to deter, but it
requires you to be very clear ahead of time about what is worth going to war for and what is not.
Now, if there is somebody in this town that would claim that we would consider going to war with
Russia over Crimea and eastern Ukraine, they should speak up and be very clear about it. The idea
that talking tough or engaging in some military action that is tangential to that particular area
is somehow going to influence the decision making of Russia or China is contrary to all the evidence
we have seen over the last 50 years."
... ... ...
A weak, flailing Russia constitutes a threat as well, though not quite a top-tier threat. "Unlike
China, they have demographic problems, economic structural problems, that would require not only
vision but a generation to overcome," Obama said. "The path that Putin is taking is not going to
help them overcome those challenges. But in that environment, the temptation to project military
force to show greatness is strong, and that's what Putin's inclination is. So I don't underestimate
the dangers there." Obama returned to a point he had made repeatedly to me, one that he hopes the
country, and the next president, absorbs: "You know, the notion that diplomacy and technocrats and
bureaucrats somehow are helping to keep America safe and secure, most people think, Eh, that's
nonsense. But it's true. And by the way, it's the element of American power that the rest of
the world appreciates unambiguously. When we deploy troops, there's always a sense on the part of
other countries that, even where necessary, sovereignty is being violated."
TotoCatcher -> Whateveryousay
Obama is just another establishment drone like Bush and Clinton. If you already hate Wall
Street then all these people are covered. Obama is a corporate lawyer who worked for Wall Street.
Nothing new here to see.
Question -> TotoCatcher
Establishment? I thought he was unqualified because he was a "junior Senator" and "community
leader". Now he's establishment?
So basically establishment has about as much meaning as "entitlement" - its definition varies
entirely depending on who you're referencing?
pp91303 -> Question
Totocatcher is a leftist accusing Obama of being a wall street, "corporate lawyer". He wasn't.
The right never said he was. So an ignorant leftist calls Obama a corporate crony and that is
somehow an indictment of the right. Brilliant.
Obama was a red diaper baby, who went to a racist and anti-American church in Chicago, who
worked a few years for a scummy little law firm that represented leftist-subsidized-housing developers
like Tony Rezco, and who previously worked as a community organizer.
nubwaxer -> Whateveryousay
mine's not a hate comment but the extreme right, all republicans it seems, think bush's preemptive
or proactive militarized foreign policy is still the right approach. it's still the shoot, aim,
oops quagmire approach and obama's careful and patient evolving approach drives them crazy.
the problem seems to me our oversized military is so well trained and well armed with the newest
gear, which of course keeps profits flowing to defense contractors, that since we have it we nee
to use it constantly to keep its edge. president obama seems to have reluctantly accepted our
endless war strategy, but to the great ire of the right has shifted away from a militarized foreign
policy to a primarily diplomatic approach. i for one see great success in the iran nuclear deal
and restoration of relations with cuba.
of course there will be those whipped into mass hysteria and seething anger by the relentless
right wing propaganda and i'll be gone before i have to read any of their comments.
Tom Hoobler -> nubwaxer
Obama: pre-emptive strikes on Afghanistan, Libya, Syria--all of which have resulted in
disasters like the growth of ISIS. Obama: Meets weekly to decide where the drones will kill people,
without charge or trial (and without revealing who the targets are and what the success/failure
was--and how much "collateral damage" there was in human lives.) Certainly the most lawless president
we've had--and the most bloodthirsty.
Oscarthe4th -> Tom Hoobler
"The most lawless president . . . and the most bloodthirsty?" One need not support Obama
to know that he's not even close the most bloodthirsty, or lawless. I strongly recommend you study
Nixon, LBJ, and Reagan. Then drop back to Eisenhower and Guatemala to wrap up the bloody evening.
Oscarthe4th -> David Murphy
Glad we agree on LBJ.
I was counting all blood, not simply American blood, which is what I thought the original
post was doing. I would also count proxies, such as the Contra, because American aid was essential
to them. I would not count the aid Reagan covertly provided Iraq, because that war would have
been long and horrid in any event.
The lawlessness question is more complex. Nixon and Reagan set up clandestine organizations
that did not appear in any budget line, both of which performed illegal actions. (Nixon's was
more serious because the Plumbers' actions related to domestic opponents.)
Obama, like most other presidents in messy wars, has expanded the president's power, and I
fully agree that he has gone beyond what is constitutional. For the most part, however, it has
not been covert. That reduces some elements of the danger his acts pose, but not all.
screendummie -> Kimo Krauthammer
No, the Arab Spring happened after Obama was president. The Arab Spring occurred in 2011, first
in Tunisia and then elsewhere throughout North Africa and the Middle East. The uprisings in Libya
and Syria happened a couple years after Obama was president. Libya is a complete mess and a declared
failed state because of Obama.
Sarastro92 -> screendummie
So are Yemen, Syria, Honduras and Ukraine ... all put in play during Obama's reign. But
much of the credit goes to Hillary and the other war harpies in the Administration. Obama has
tried to pull back from the brink.
screendummie -> Sarastro92
Special operation troops are in Syria. This has been reported numerous times. There was even
a Congressional grilling of a general on our troops training Syrian fighters with the revelation
that a half billion was spent training of 3 or 4 Syrian fighters. The officer grilled was Centcom
commander, General Lloyd Austin back last year. You're blatantly ignorant of what's going on in
the world.
screendummie -> Sarastro92
I hope you don't really believe 50 U.S. troops are only in Syria. I bet it's far greater. You
have to remember they get rotated out. More than 50 troops have been deployed to Syria if they're
being rotated. The troops in Jordan are supporting the combat mission. How is that any different?
I'm curious how those 50 troops in Syria are fed and supported. Do they bring it all in themselves,
or are more U.S. troops crossing in and out of Syria on a daily basis? If you really believe there
are 50 U.S. troops in Syria, then you're really kidding yourself.
There are several thousand troops now in Iraq. Before it was just 300. No, I'm not buying the
advisor claim one bit.
Obama did nothing to de-escalate the conflict in the Ukraine. The "somewhat" means you
don't have any clue at all. It has to to more with Putin not wanting to conquer the entire Ukraine.
The Ukrainians could have been initially defeated, but holding them down would be impossible.
Davis Pruett -> Sarastro92
>>>And the fact is the Foreign Policy Establishment is utterly mad; they're furious at
Obama for not implementing their crazy militaristic schemes. Which is more or less the same story
that Goldberg reports here in the Atlantic.
More-or-less the general disposition reported by Goldberg - but minus a vast trove of key facts
which he purposefully distorts and obscures.
Sarastro92 -> David Murphy
Bull. According to the State Department's neoCon Czarina for European Affairs, the US pumped
$5 Billion into underwriting NGO agitation in Ukraine. Nuland herself was on the front-lines in
the Maidan and picked out "our guy Yats" ... In fact, Congress has passed a motion to prevent
further funds to the neo-Nazis in Kiev.
Syria was invaded by a jihadi army largely armed by the US (part of the Benghazi affair involved
the US Ambassador shipping weapons seized from Qaddafi to the Syrian jihadis via Turkey) and funded
by US allies in the Gulf monarchies and Turkey.
The French and Brits are culpable. Putin has changed the whole dynamic leading to a ceasefire
and the demise of ISIS in Syria. But the whole thing can blow up at anytime.
Your problem is that you read the CNN- NY Times propaganda and think you know something.
David Murphy -> screendummie
Can't exclude Cameron and Sarkozy from guilt over Libya. They sent in some special forces,
dropped a few bombs and then moved on to other things. The arab spring was a grass-roots attempt
to bring about democracy, which failed sadly.
elHombre -> Kimo Krauthammer
Really? Libya, Syria and ISIS were "debacles" when Obama took office? Really?
And 23 up votes? The revisionist rubes are out in force on this one.
Kimo Krauthammer -> hyphenatedamerican
Everywhere the US treads we leave chaos and increased radicalism. Time for the US to get out
now and let Putin wipe put ALL the terrorist vermin, even those we have been backing.
Davis Pruett -> hyphenatedamerican •
>>>Putin is not fighting terrorists, he is fighting for Assad. Not the same thing.
Russia - not "Putin" - is fighting to defend Syrians - not "Assad" - from terrorist aggressors.
Apparently, you missed the part where a few weeks ago Syria and Russia offered a ceasefire
and complete amnesty to any "revolutionaries" who are not associated with Al Qaida or ISIS.
Currently, about 4,000 fighters of the 25,000 estimated (by the US) in Latakia province
have laid down their weapons. Most of these have been re-deployed back into their original territories
alongside Syrian Arab Army support units.
That comes out to about 80% of the fighters in Syria are Al Qaida or ISIS-affiliated, and
the *VAST* majority of these fighters are foreign mercenaries.
So, long story short:
You don't know what you're talking about. You are factually wrong, and should be ashamed for
sounding off in public about something you have no knowledge of.
azt24 -> Question
By every objective measure, Iraq was in better shape in 2009 vs. 2016. There was no ISIS, no
Christian or Yazidi genocide, no slave markets in 2009, and violence was a tiny fraction of what
it is today. These are just facts.
As for picking 2009 for a start date, the article is titled The Obama Doctrine. The subject
is Obama, the topic is politics.
David Murphy -> azt24
Iraq's problem now are largely self-inflicted. The Shia majority decided to oppress the Sunni,
and Al Qaeda and ISIS are sunni. A simple resolution to ISIS in the ME would have been for the
Iraq government to act as a national government being fair to all not a partisan Shia government.
Iran has been active in Iraq since Bush's day. Obama could achieve little in that benighted country,
which was in a far better state before Bush led the attack on it.
elHombre -> nubwaxer
Acknowledgement of Obama's feckless, misguided foreign policy is not an endorsement of
Bush's adventurism.
Only Obamadupes can fail to appreciate the risks of Obama's one-sided, ego-assuaging Iran fiasco
and Cuba-courting.
Defense contractors employ people, but you probably believe we don't need the jobs.
You are, indeed, an Obama nubwaxer.
azt24 -> rswfire
" I feel President Obama isn't someone who really seeks the spotlight"
Surely you jest. No President has been more in love with the sound of own voice, or more given
to "I-me-mine-I-me-mine" when talking. Because it's always about him. Like when he explained to
Bibi Netanyahu that he understood the Middle East because he was raised by a single mom.
If Obama has quieted down in recent years, I can only suppose that it must have become obvious
even inside the WH bubble that it wasn't working -- people have completely tuned Obama out.
TotoCatcher
The Atlantic is removing comments from most of the articles. Why? I won't read here if they
don't bring comments back.
This story is booooring. So I don't have much to comment on it. Obama was just another Bush
who was just another Clinton. NEXT!
chris chuba
This article clearly states that we DID start to arm and equip the rebels after 'several months'
in 2011 via a CIA program. It is a myth that we did nothing in Syria.
What ended up happening is exactly what Obama feared would happen. The farmers and doctors
were supplanted by the foreign Jihadist groups that Turkey and Saudi Arabia were sponsoring. This
was inevitable and the only thing that could have prevented that was an actual invasion and occupation
of Syria which I in no way, shape or form endorse.
Hillary Clinton and Samantha Power are engaging in pure speculation that starting this
CIA program a few months earlier would have had a different outcome. Why so? This is nothing more
than wishful thinking.
Our real mistake was in not supporting the 2012 Geneva peace plan which called for post-civil
war elections that would include Assad. We maintained an absolutist demand for 'Assad must go'
so of course he and the people who depend on him, 50% to 60% of the population would soldier on.
Hurrya -> EnderAK12
Are we sure that there was ever a free Syrian army? The Free Syrian Army was a media concept
and never had a significant presence on the ground.
Thermite -> EnderAK12
We were supporting the Free Syrian Army since 2011. Basically when it started.
gtiger -> EnderAK12
You talk about the FSA as it's a viable entity. At best it's a loose alliance of rebel groups
of widely differing ideology. It's Libya part II.
Fresh -> Guyzer
American foreign policy has been a disaster since Kissinger. Neocons convinced many on
the right it was a solid ideology. Many of you cheered when Reagan armed Al Qaeda, transferred
weapons to Iran, terrorized Central/South America by arming death squads and displacing indigenous
people to make way for large multinationals. And, to add insult to injury, you all cheered for
Bush initiated torture on our soil (torture has been a tool for decades at black sites), created
Guantanamo, started illegal wars, helped to foment a global economic system that is the equivalent
of carpet bombing, especially as it relates to weaker or poorer countries; the list goes on.
You're not wrong about Obama. He has embraced the same insanity, although, not to the same
extent. Neoconservatism needs to die but gullible fools in both parties seem to embrace the insanity
when their guy is in charge.
Hillary supports the same ideology as Bush but you guys will pretend to hate her and Dems
will now say her plans are great. It's Americans who allow this insanity to continue.
Innes Mizner -> hyphenatedamerican
They called the Mujahadeen back then, and Carter then Reagan created them, armed them and trained
them. Even a certain Bin Laden.
Innes Mizner -> azt24
Afghans and Saudis including Bin Laden were first trained by the US, and then the UK. Read
the link I attached, Carter started this mass bloodshed and he isn't the least repentant. Yeah,
that sweet old peanut farmer is almost as bad as Hitler. Shucks.
Innes Mizner -> azt24
I have already provided background information and proof he and his crew were trained in Scotland.
I assumed this was well known in the US, I mean before you invaded Afghanistan and Iraq.
A lot of the other articles have been buried, but the BBC one is good, and if you give me a
while I will dig out an SAS officer discussing this.
The Afghan Mujahideen were deported from their southern Scottish, and northern English, training
grounds after the Lockerbie bombing. Nobody suspects them of being the cause of that crash, the
biggest terrorist atrocity in the UK to date, but they were under the flight path and they were
terrorists/freedom fighters training to down Soviet planes, so they were instantly deported to
avoid media attention.
No, I'm claiming that the original fundamentalist Islamic extremist terrorist Mujadeen recruited
by the CIA by Carter included Bin Laden's bodyguards and other Saudis.
I know that because I'm
Scottish, they were trained in Scotland.
No, I think that individual died before "Al Qaeda".
Are you aware "Al Qaeda" is a name assigned
by western security agencies, they just adopted the name after we named them that?
This was written by the British foreign secretary at the time,
Robin Cook,
someone who had access to all the MI6 and NSA and CIA files:
Bin Laden was, though, a product of a monumental miscalculation by western security agencies.
Throughout the 80s he was armed by the CIA and funded by the Saudis to wage jihad against the
Russian occupation of Afghanistan. Al-Qaida, literally "the database", was originally the computer
file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to
defeat the Russians. Inexplicably, and with disastrous consequences, it never appears to have
occurred to Washington that once Russia was out of the way, Bin Laden's organisation
would turn its attention to the west.
Innes Mizner -> Fresh
"American foreign policy has been a disaster since Kissinger"
I agree with your post but I'd
roll it back 20 years. Kissinger extended the Vietnam debacle and extended it to create Pol Pot.
A lot of Reagan's problems were clearing up his mess, and failing.
Eisenhower, FDR, those guys I admire. New Dealers who knew what war was.
CharlieSeattle -> Innes Mizner
Did ja ever wonder why Reagan gets the teary e/RINO "neocon" accolades and not Eisenhower?
Lets
see...
Reagan embraced the Military Industrial Complex. Eisenhower warned America about the dangers of the MIC corrupting the US government.
Reagan granted amnesty to 3.5 million illegal aliens. Eisenhower deported them all after WWII in Operation Wet back.
Reagan administration was #6th worst scandalous, worse than Obama. Eisenhower administration was #23rd worst scandalous, only because of VP Nixon!
Face it, if Eisenhower was running for office today, the Reagan RINO "neocons" would KILL HIM!
I am very glad Trump is not like Reagan.
.............Trump/Eisenhower in 2016
veerkg_23 -> Innes Mizner
Pol Pot was a Chinese thing. The US supported the Royalists, whoever they were, in Cambodia. Mao
decided he wanted a piece because he fear Soviet domination so formed the Khmer Rouge. Didn't
turn out so well.
Innes Mizner -> veerkg_23
To begin with the Khmer Rouge were a local Nazi group that emerged from the ashes of Kissenger's
cross border bombing. Then after they'd wiped out a third of their population neighbouring Vietnam
invaded, ejected them and then retreated in one of the few genuine examples of military humanitarian
interventions.
The Chinese did hate the Vietnamese, so that annoyed them. But it annoyed Reagan
more, because you yanks also had a big hang up about Vietnam kicking your arse.
So Reagan sent in the Green Berets to train Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge in guerilla tactics
- and supply them with funds, weapons and diplomatic cover.
Then Iran-Contra broke, Reagan sacrificed Ollie North on that bonfire, withdrew the Green Berets
from Cambodia, and instead persuaded Maggie Thatcher to send in the SAS to support the Khmer Rouge.
Now say what you want about Thatcher, but she was never a liar. She sent the SAS in and boasted
about her support for the Khmer Rouge on 'Blue Peter', a British childrens TV programme.
None of that is widely known in the US, I know, but I can provide supporting links that prove
what I've claimed here if you ask for any.
In yet another top-secret operation US Green Berets trained genocidal Khmer Rouge
units in Cambodia after contact was established between Ray Cline, senior CIA agent and Steve
Arnold, special adviser to US President Reagan. When the Iran Contra scandal got under way in
1983, President Reagan, fearing another unpleasant exposure, asked British Prime Minister Margaret
Thatcher to take over. She sent the SAS to train Pol Pot forces. 'We first went to Thailand in
1984' senior officials of the SAS (British equivalent of CIA) later testified, 'The Yanks and
us work together; we're close like brothers they didn't like it anymore than we did. We trained
the Khmer Rouge in a lot of technical stuff', the officer remembers. 'At first they wanted to
go into the villages and just chop people up. We told them go easy'. The SAS felt uneasy with
the operation and a lot of us would change sides given half a chance. That's how
"... Turkey announced today that the Kurdish pipeline should be back online
in about a week. There's been a major mine-sweeping effort going on there since
the break. ..."
"... Turks can fix the pipeline but Turks cannot support financially and politically
the whole Iraq's Kurdistan entity where the oil is coming from. You still got eat
even when the oil is $30 :), so the Kurds are doing bidding process on who will
help pay the most. Iraqis central government has an offer dangling to take care
of Kurdish government employees in exchange for re-routing that kurdish oil through
central government for sale. ..."
"... But Turks have way bigger problems than one pipeline. They are in real
bind and are pushed real hard from both Russians and Americans. When it is all said
and done they could be in process of being dismembered. ..."
"... The only leverage that Turks have is over Euro elite that still needs them
for their dirty work in ME. Notice how Ms. Markel can easily find 3 billion for
Turkey (refugees will not see a single penny of it) while last year Euro pensioners
in Greece/Spain/Italy/France all they got is austerity. ..."
"... It is a class war and it has always been like that. ..."
"... The damaged pipeline is an Iraqi pipeline; it carries Iraqi oil all the
way to Ceyhan, a Turkish port on the Mediterranean. The KRG built a pipeline that
joins it at the Turkish border, so the pipeline carries Kurdish oil too. It's in
Iraq's interest to have it open but since SE Turkey is essentially a war zone that
can be hard to bring about. ..."
Turkey announced today that the Kurdish pipeline should be back online
in about a week. There's been a major mine-sweeping effort going on there
since the break.
The PKK denies blowing up the pipeline. Who knows?
Turks can fix the pipeline but Turks cannot support financially and
politically the whole Iraq's Kurdistan entity where the oil is coming from.
You still got eat even when the oil is $30 :), so the Kurds are doing bidding
process on who will help pay the most. Iraqis central government has an
offer dangling to take care of Kurdish government employees in exchange
for re-routing that kurdish oil through central government for sale.
But Turks have way bigger problems than one pipeline. They are in
real bind and are pushed real hard from both Russians and Americans. When
it is all said and done they could be in process of being dismembered.
The only leverage that Turks have is over Euro elite that still needs
them for their dirty work in ME. Notice how Ms. Markel can easily find 3
billion for Turkey (refugees will not see a single penny of it) while last
year Euro pensioners in Greece/Spain/Italy/France all they got is austerity.
It is a class war and it has always been like that.
The damaged pipeline is an Iraqi pipeline; it carries Iraqi oil all
the way to Ceyhan, a Turkish port on the Mediterranean. The KRG built a
pipeline that joins it at the Turkish border, so the pipeline carries Kurdish
oil too. It's in Iraq's interest to have it open but since SE Turkey is
essentially a war zone that can be hard to bring about.
I suspect that Iraqi Kurdistan could support itself from sale of the
oil they produce if they were allowed to just sell it and not have the money
come from Baghdad–and if they straightened out their own corrupt economy.
"... The rising clamor at home from the crashing shale sector and the banks that financed it; the resilience of Russia in spite of sanctions and its exclusion from Western capital markets; Russia's entrance into the Syrian take-down attempt having put Russia into a new position of influence in the Middle East; demands for higher prices from more and more OPEC members; Russian and Iranian resistance to demands that they agree to limit production; Kuwait refusing to limit production; Venezuela and Mexico nearing default; Ukraine melting down politically, financially, and militarily: financial tremors at home and in Europe; and the rise of Trump and Bernie as an election nears, - these factors have led Western leaders to stop suppressing the price of crude. ..."
IMHO, the rise in crude prices is evidence that the West has blinked and is giving up on its
attempt to bankrupt Russia in order to make Putin kowtow to the West.
The rising clamor at home from the crashing shale sector and the banks that financed it; the
resilience of Russia in spite of sanctions and its exclusion from Western capital markets; Russia's
entrance into the Syrian take-down attempt having put Russia into a new position of influence
in the Middle East; demands for higher prices from more and more OPEC members; Russian and Iranian
resistance to demands that they agree to limit production; Kuwait refusing to limit production;
Venezuela and Mexico nearing default; Ukraine melting down politically, financially, and militarily:
financial tremors at home and in Europe; and the rise of Trump and Bernie as an election nears,
- these factors have led Western leaders to stop suppressing the price of crude.
The commodities traders and their algos will now be allowed to manipulate up the prices. Fundamentals
of excess supply and weak demand do not matter, and have not mattered for a long time. Futures
contracts, refinery shutdowns for fires or scheduled maintenance, pipeline ruptures, and rumors
of international instability can all be used to increase crude prices.
disbelief
- noun - dis·be·lief \?dis-b?-?l?f\
: a feeling that you do not or cannot believe or accept that something is true or real.
>
I cringe every time I see a, "9-11 Never Forget," bumper sticker, t-shirt, or beer coozie. I sigh
and say to myself, "How can you never forget what you never knew?"
Here is an interesting exercise that I invite all zerohedge readers to try. The next several times
that you engage someone in a conversation, preferably a politician running for office
, ask the following questions.
Do you remember anything about five Middle Eastern men being arrested by the NYPD on 9-11 for
filming and celebrating the attacks on the WTC and driving around Manhattan in a van that tested
positive for explosives...these were admitted foreign intelligence agents working undercover in
the USA?
In asking this question dozens of times, most recently in a conversation with two rabbis at one
of the five Holocaust Museums in Texas, I have personally never, not once, had a person answer yes.
However, if they do answer yes to you, then ask if they recall what nation the men were from.
I would be shocked to hear any American say, "Israel."
If they answer no, tell them they were Israeli Mossad agents, and ask if that helps them to remember.
Again, I have never had anyone say that they knew anything about what I was talking about. Not
once, not in any city, nor in any state of the USA. If the conversation does continue, what I do
hear, almost exclusively, is utter disbelief that what I am saying is true.
But it is true.
Now, consider that since 9-11, the USA has invaded and occupied what was once the sovereign nation
of Afghanistan for almost 15 years and counting, allegedly due to the role it played in 9-11. We
have spent billions upon billions of dollars and killed tens of thousands of people, if not hundreds
of thousands, in this war effort.
Hellfire thermobaric warhead using a metal augmented explosive charge is used primarily in
urban warfare, against bunkers, buildings caves and other concealed targets. This warhead is designed
to inflict greater damage in multi-room structures, compared to the Hellfire's standard or blast-fragmentation
warheads. The Metal Augmented Charge or MAC (Thermobaric) Hellfire, designated AGM-114N, has completed
rapid development cycle in 2002 and was deployed during OIF by US Marines Helicopters in Iraq.
The new warhead contains a fluorinated aluminum powder that is layered between the warhead
casing and the PBXN-112 explosive fill. When the explosive detonates, the aluminum mixture
is dispersed and rapidly burns. The resultant sustained high pressure is extremely effective against
enemy personnel and structures. The AGM-114N is designed for deployment from helicopters such
as the AH-1W or UAVs such as the Predator drones.
I hear that more US soldiers serving in Afghanistan now die from suicide than are killed by the
Afghanis, in what is now the longest war in American history . Yet, we are now in
our third Presidential election in the USA since 9-11 and the occupation of Afghanistan, and the
candidates aren't talking about any of this, and the Fourth Estate sure as hell isn't asking any
questions.
Why?
Don't you want to know how the Presidential candidates feel about the fact that the FBI released
the Five Dancing Israelis? What about your congressmen and senators? Don't you want to know how our
nation can imprison Afghanis in Guantanamo Bay, without trial, and torture them for information regarding
9-11... for more than a decade ...yet
the FBI released the Five Dancing
Israelis to fly back to Israel and do television interviews .
If our politicians respond with disbelief, like everyone else I have ever asked, then what does
that tell us?
If nobody from the Fourth Estate ever asks them these questions, then what does that tell us?
Oil production in Russia will inevitably decline by 2035 according to an Energy Ministry
report seen by the Vedomosti business daily. The different scenarios predict an output drop from
1.2 percent up to 46 percent two decades from now.
The document, obtained by the newspaper and confirmed by a source in the ministry, says by
2035 existing oil fields will be able to provide Russia with less than half of today's production
of about 10.1 million barrels per day.
The shortfall should be met by increased production from proven reserves, according to projections
by the Energy Ministry.
In the best case for oil producers, short-term growth remains possible only until 2020, according
to the report. After that, production will contract. The figures vary from 1.2 percent to 46 percent,
depending on prices, taxation and whether or not anti-Russian sanctions will be in force.
A slight increase in production is possible only for smaller companies like Slavneft and Russneft,
while the market leaders are facing the depletion of existing deposits. Added to an unfavorable
tax environment, their production is set to fall by 39-61 percent.
To counter the decline in oil production, the Energy Ministry proposes giving private companies
access to the Arctic shelf, to soften the tax regime and support for small and medium-sized
independent companies.
The Ministry also suggests promoting the processing of high-sulfur and super viscous
heavy oil with the introduction of preferential rates of excise duties on fuel produced from
such oil.
This forecast published by "Vedomosti" is for crude only and excludes condensate (around 520 kb/d
in 2015). It was not yet officially released. Condensate production growth in 2014-15 was
higher than crude only. There are gas condensate fields in the far north of West Siberia that
should start production in the next few years.
The worse case assumes very low oil prices and sanctions remaining for the whole period. Is
$30-40 oil a realistic scenario to 2035?
Base case implies 2035 crude production only 2.1% below 2015 levels
"Reasonably favorable" scenario: crude production in 2020-2030 slightly above 2015 levels;
2035: 1.6% below 2015.
Russian crude (ex condensate) production scenarios.
Source: Vedomosti newspaper based on the Energy Ministry data
Meanwhile, the EIA in its Short-Term Energy Outlook has revised upwards estimates and projections
for Russian oil production in 2015-17.
From the report:
"Russia is one example of production exceeding EIA's expectations. Fourth quarter 2015 oil
production in Russia is 0.2 million b/d higher than in last month's STEO, with initial data indicating
it has remained at high levels in early 2016. This higher historical production creates a higher
baseline level that carries through the forecast period. Russia's production is expected to increase
by 0.2 million b/d in 2016 and then decline by 0.1 million b/d in 2017. Russia's exposure to low
oil prices has been mitigated by the depreciation of the ruble relative to the dollar, given ruble-denominated
production costs, and by Russia's taxation regime for the oil sector."
The EIA is the last of the key international energy forecasting agencies to revise the numbers
for Russia (others are IEA, JODI and OPEC)
Besides what Alex already said, I want to add another important point: the recovery of oil-in-place
in Russia is very low compared to international averages, around 20-25%. This is why there is
a lot of potential just by improving extraction from current fields.
P.S. Then, there is shale oil, really a lot of it, but it requires much higher prices for it
to be developed, and economically it makes more sense to first increase the % extracted of oil-in-place
"... The Russians have cooperated with the U.S. on the Iran deal and in trying to bring about a truce in Syria (their intervention was provoked by CIA "covert" weapons deals with jihadists against their ally Assad, the legally UN-recognized government), and in calming down the situation in Ukraine by a cease fire (another intervention initiated by the U.S.- E.U. role in overthrowing the legally elected government in that country and the installation of an ultraright-wing anti-Russian regime. ..."
"... Cohen says the mass media in the U.S. attributes all these international problems to Russian aggression and to Putin's megalomania ["Putin's Russia"]. So while we play around with farcical political debates and a news media that misinforms rather than informs, Obama stealthily builds up the aggressive capabilities of U.S. imperialism and, consciously or unconsciously, further endangers the peace of the world and the future of humanity. ..."
"... The Left is falling down on the job of warning the working class of the dangers it faces in the coming election. HRC has wrapped herself in the Obama legacy and will no doubt continue the march towards more wars and military adventures that the U.S. has embarked upon ever since Korea. The Republican candidates are no different in this respect. Whoever wins in November, the big losers will be the working class and the minorities who will continue to be abused and exploited by the U.S. ruling establishment. ..."
"... This military build-up is part of the profit-generating foreign policy of the military-industrial complex. It justifies the transfer of billions of dollars in "defense" spending to the private coffers of the 1%. What are the chances that HRC will adopt a pro-peace agenda and come out against the U.S.- NATO build-up in Europe? Sanders is also weak on this issue but he can be more easily pressured to change, as cutting the military budget frees up money for the progressive changes to reduce income inequality that he favors and he is not beholden to the establishment. What is to be done? ..."
Why is Obama deliberately stirring up old Cold War tensions with Russia by ordering
saber-rattling by the Pentagon and our puppet military alliance Nato? Professor Steven Cohen,
writing in The Nation (2-29-16), says Obama is escalating the tensions with Russia in an
unprecedented manner not seen since the days of Nazi Germany. These hostile actions are being
basically ignored by the mass media and none of the presidential candidates in either party have
addressed them in the debates except indirectly (Sanders and Clinton supporting NATO, Trump
mentioning he wants to make a "deal" with Putin).
The issue is Obama's decision to increase by 400% military expenditures and deployments on or
near the Russian border by the U.S. and NATO. Such a huge concentration of Western military power
on the Russian border has not been seen in modern times -- not even at the height of the Cold
War. Cohen says Russia will have to respond by its own build-up including the positioning of
advanced missiles. Thus the whole of Eastern Europe will become a tinderbox, increasing the
probability of a regional war or worse if some minor incident flares up.
This is, I might add, wholly unnecessary and reckless behavior on the part of Obama and his
generals (the type of behavior a future President Cruz or Rubio are characterized of being
capable of initiating). Why is this coming at the very time Russia is trying to de-escalate
tensions with the U.S.?
The Russians have cooperated with the U.S. on the Iran deal and in trying to bring about a
truce in Syria (their intervention was provoked by CIA "covert" weapons deals with jihadists
against their ally Assad, the legally UN-recognized government), and in calming down the
situation in Ukraine by a cease fire (another intervention initiated by the U.S.- E.U. role in
overthrowing the legally elected government in that country and the installation of an ultraright-wing
anti-Russian regime.
Cohen says the mass media in the U.S. attributes all these international problems to Russian
aggression and to Putin's megalomania ["Putin's Russia"]. So while we play around with farcical
political debates and a news media that misinforms rather than informs, Obama stealthily builds
up the aggressive capabilities of U.S. imperialism and, consciously or unconsciously, further
endangers the peace of the world and the future of humanity.
The Left is falling down on the job of warning the working class of the dangers it faces in
the coming election. HRC has wrapped herself in the Obama legacy and will no doubt continue the
march towards more wars and military adventures that the U.S. has embarked upon ever since Korea.
The Republican candidates are no different in this respect. Whoever wins in November, the big
losers will be the working class and the minorities who will continue to be abused and exploited
by the U.S. ruling establishment.
The Left has, however, done its duty in one respect. There is a slight possibility the dire
consequences enumerated above could be avoided or alleviated and that would be the election of
Bernie Sanders as president. This event would open up progressive political action outside of the
control of the establishment and could lead to a democratic renaissance in the U.S. The Left -
Progressive movement has solidly backed Sanders (aside from some fringe elements). Unfortunately,
the Left cannot agree on a Plan B. HRC's election would be a victory for the establishment and
there is no third party that the Left is willing to unite behind.
This military build-up is part of the profit-generating foreign policy of the
military-industrial complex. It justifies the transfer of billions of dollars in "defense"
spending to the private coffers of the 1%. What are the chances that HRC will adopt a pro-peace
agenda and come out against the U.S.- NATO build-up in Europe? Sanders is also weak on this issue
but he can be more easily pressured to change, as cutting the military budget frees up money for
the progressive changes to reduce income inequality that he favors and he is not beholden to the
establishment. What is to be done?
Born Lake Worth, FL 1942. Educated FSU and Graduate Center CUNY. Currently teaching philosophy
in NYC. Associate editor of Political Affairs online.
"... Of particular importance here is the term, "legitimate interests." With this term, the doctrine reveals that its goal is the suppression of other nations, regardless of whether their ambitions are reasonable or not. All that matters is US hegemony over the world. ..."
"... Second, the sociopathic goals of those in power are a clear and present danger to the peace and well-being of the population. ..."
"... "to combat and prevent Russian aggression." is merely NATO double-speak for... "To combat a Russian Counter-Attack to our First Strike to a National Coup. Bellarus is next. The boa-like encirclement of the USSR, er, I mean Russia , will continue." ..."
"... Unfortunately for the war-makers, the game is up. More and more people have woken up to the lies. NATO has overplayed its hand, and its propaganda is just not believed any more. ..."
"... WAR is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives. ..."
"... The imperialism of the United States began well before Paul Wolfowitz. He's simply turned the tradition into one of perpetual warfare. When I think of Dantes nine circles of hell, I can't help but imagine him & Dick Cheney in the center. ..."
"... We've been in a media blackout since November 22, 1963. ..."
"... We had some dinner guests over, and the topic of the situation in Ukraine came up. I took the position that the US/EU helped stage the coup that tossed the elected government of Yanukovych, and that the current government is illegitimate, not to mention Nazi thugs. And that the trigger was Yanukovych intending to accept the Russian bail-out, turning his back on the punitive EU austerity program. I didn't even get into the US being pissed at Russia for blocking their Syrian/Assad regime change operation at the UN security council, and were intent on making Russia pay for their insolence. ..."
"... Our guests were incredulous that I took that position, accusing me of falling for Russian propaganda. Their view is that it was a popular rebellion against a corrupt government, that Russia illegally and forcibly annexed Crimea, and that Russia continues to kill Ukrainians on Ukrainian soil. Any US involvement is/was for the good of the Ukrainian people. ..."
"... Mission accomplished. And I don't see it changing. MSM blankets North America with western propaganda so thoroughly that otherwise intelligent people don't recognize it as such. Espousing an alternative worldview, and one gets labelled a conspiracy nut or a Putin sympathizer. Sooo Orwellian. ..."
Recently, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov held a press conference with about 150 journalists
from around the world, including representatives of the western media.
Mister Lavrov was brief and concise; however, the question period lasted for some two
hours. A breadth of topics was discussed, including the re-convening of the Syrian peace
talks in Geneva, diplomatic relations in Georgia and, tellingly, the increasingly fragile relations
with the US. This has not been reported on in Western media.
This followed close on the heels of reports (again, not to be found in Western media) that the
US has quadrupled its budget for the re-armament of NATO in Europe (from $750 million to $3 billion),
most of which is to be applied along the Russian border. The decision was explained as being
necessary "to combat and prevent Russian aggression."
It should be mentioned that this decision, no matter how rash it may be, is not a random incident.
It's a component of the US' decidedly imperialist Wolfowitz Doctrine of 1992. This
doctrine, never intended for public release, outlined a policy of military aggression to assure that
the US would reign as the world's sole superpower and, in so-doing, establish the US as the leader
within a new world order. In part, its stated goal is,
"[That] the U.S. must show the leadership necessary to establish and protect a new order that
holds the promise of convincing potential competitors that they need not aspire to a greater role
or pursue a more aggressive posture to protect their legitimate interests."
Of particular importance here is the term, "legitimate interests." With this term, the doctrine
reveals that its goal is the suppression of other nations, regardless of whether their ambitions
are reasonable or not. All that matters is US hegemony over the world.
Clearly, relations are reaching a dangerous level. The Russian message has repeatedly been, "Stop,
before it's too late," yet Washington has reacted by stepping up its threat of hegemony.
If the major powers do not call "time out", world war could easily be on the horizon . Yet,
incredibly, it appears that the Russian press conference has received zero coverage in the West.
No British, French, German, or US television network has made a single comment. As eager
as the Russians have been to get the word out as to their concerns, there has been a complete blackout
of reporting it in the West.
Russia Insider has published an article on the internet, but little else appears to be available.
Today, the internet allows us to tap into information from every country in the world. Both official
and non-official versions of the reports are available, if we know where to find them. And for those
who have the time to do so, and take the time to do so, it's possible to stay abreast of The Big
Picture, although, admittedly, it's a major undertaking to do so.
Separating the wheat from the chaff is the greatest difficulty in this pursuit; however, as events
unfold, a trend is being revealed – that the world is becoming divided with regard to information.
In most of the world, there's an expanse of available information, but, increasingly, the
US, EU, and their allies are revealing a pattern of information removal . Whatever does not
fit the US/EU position on events never reaches the public.
A half-century ago, this was the case in the USSR, China, and several smaller countries where
tyranny had so taken hold that all news was filtered. The people of these countries had a limited
understanding as to what was truly occurring in the world, particularly with regard to their own
leaders' actions on the world stage.
However, in recent decades, that tyranny has dissipated to a great degree and those countries
that had been isolationist with regard to public information are now opening up more and more. Certainly,
their governments still prefer that their press provide reporting that's favourable to the government,
but the general direction has been toward greater openness.
Conversely, the West – that group of countries that was formerly called "the Free World"
– has increasingly been going in the opposite direction. The media have been fed an ever-narrower
version of what their governments have been up to internationally.
The overall message that's received by the Western public is essentially that there are good countries
(the US, EU, and allies) and bad countries whose governments and peoples seek to destroy democracy.
Western propaganda has it that these bad countries will not stop until they've reached your
home and robbed you of all your freedoms.
The view from outside this cabal is a very different one. The remainder of the world view the
attacks by US-led forces (Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, Libya, Somalia, Syria, etc.) as a bid for world
dominance. In examining the Wolfowitz Doctrine, this would seem to be exactly correct.
This is not to say, however, that the people of the NATO countries are entirely on-board with
this aggression. In fact, if they were allowed to know the ultimate objective of the NATO aggression,
it's entirely likely that they would oppose it.
And, of course, that's exactly the point of the blackout. A country, or group
of countries, that seeks peace and fair competition, with equal opportunity for all, need not resort
to a media blackout. The average citizen, wherever he may live, generally seeks only to be allowed
to live in freedom and to get on with his life. Whilst every country has its Generals Patton, its
Napoleons, its Wolfowitzes, who are sociopathically obsessive over world domination, the average
individual does not share this pathology.
Therefore, whenever we observe a nation (or nations) creating a media blackout, we can
be assured of two things.
First, the nation has, at some point, been taken over (either through election, appointment,
or a combination of the two) by leaders who are a danger to the citizenry and are now so entrenched
that they have little opposition from those remaining few higher-ups who would prefer sanity.
Second, the sociopathic goals of those in power are a clear and present danger to the peace
and well-being of the population.
In almost all such cases, the blackout causes the population to go willingly along each
time their leaders make another advance toward warfare. They may understand that they will
be directly impacted and worry about the possible outcome but, historically, they tend to put on
the uniform and pick up the weapon when the time comes to "serve the country."
Trouble is, this by no means "serves the country." It serves leaders who have
become a danger to the country. The people themselves are the country. It is they, not their leaders,
who will go off to battle and it is they who will pay the price of their leaders' zeal for domination.
"to combat and prevent Russian aggression." is merely NATO double-speak for... "To
combat a Russian Counter-Attack to our First Strike to a National Coup. Bellarus is next. The
boa-like encirclement of the USSR, er, I mean Russia , will continue."
Unfortunately for the war-makers, the game is up. More and more people have woken up to
the lies. NATO has overplayed its hand, and its propaganda is just not believed any more.
WAR is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable,
surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which
the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.
A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority
of
the people. Only a small "inside" group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit
of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge
fortunes.
In the World War [I] a mere handful garnered the profits of the conflict. At least 21,000
new
millionaires and billionaires were made in the United States during the World War. That
many admitted their huge blood gains in their income tax returns. How many other war
millionaires falsified their tax returns no one knows.
How many of these war millionaires shouldered a rifle? How many of them dug a trench?
How many of them knew what it meant to go hungry in a rat-infested dug-out? How many of
them spent sleepless, frightened nights, ducking shells and shrapnel and machine gun
bullets? How many of them parried a bayonet thrust of an enemy? How many of them were
wounded or killed in battle?
The imperialism of the United States began well before Paul Wolfowitz. He's simply turned
the tradition into one of perpetual warfare. When I think of Dantes nine circles of hell, I can't
help but imagine him & Dick Cheney in the center.
It's called News Rigging, 60% of what you read is written by bots, so just spin one up and
off you go and works good to create knock off news too, technology is smarter than most realize.
One guy wrote 10k books with a bot and put them on sale at Amazon..
Wolfowitz is just an apologist for what's already been going on. So is Zbigniew Brzezinski.
It's the same insane megalomania Kubrick skewered in "Dr. Strangelove." By this time it's gone
on long enough the host is being drained dangerously low. But it's not anything new.
Well this information removal strategy seems to be working quite well.
We had some dinner guests over, and the topic of the situation in Ukraine came up. I took
the position that the US/EU helped stage the coup that tossed the elected government of Yanukovych,
and that the current government is illegitimate, not to mention Nazi thugs. And that the trigger
was Yanukovych intending to accept the Russian bail-out, turning his back on the punitive EU austerity
program. I didn't even get into the US being pissed at Russia for blocking their Syrian/Assad
regime change operation at the UN security council, and were intent on making Russia pay for their
insolence.
Our guests were incredulous that I took that position, accusing me of falling for Russian
propaganda. Their view is that it was a popular rebellion against a corrupt government, that Russia
illegally and forcibly annexed Crimea, and that Russia continues to kill Ukrainians on Ukrainian
soil. Any US involvement is/was for the good of the Ukrainian people.
Mission accomplished. And I don't see it changing. MSM blankets North America with western
propaganda so thoroughly that otherwise intelligent people don't recognize it as such. Espousing
an alternative worldview, and one gets labelled a conspiracy nut or a Putin sympathizer. Sooo
Orwellian.
Though Iran hasn't committed to a production freeze, since it wants to ramp up production to pre-sanction
levels, Russian Energy Minister
Aleksander
Novak has noted that "Iran has a special situation as the country is at its lowest levels
of production. So I think, it might be approached individually, with a separate solution."
With all the major Gulf nations agreeing, Iraq, which is without a credible political leadership,
will also likely follow suit if Russia assures them of stronger support against ISIS.
If the
above scenario plays out, Russia will emerge as the de facto leader of the major oil producing
nations of the world, accounting for almost 73 percent of the global oil supply.
Along with this, Russia has been in the forefront of plans to move away from Petrodollars,
and Moscow has formed pacts with various nations to trade oil in local currencies. With this new
cartel of ROPEC (Russia and OPEC nations), a move away from petrodollars will become a reality
sooner rather than later.
Russia is smart. Vladimir Putin is genius. Moscow senses the opportunity that is almost tangibly
floating about in the low crude price environment and appears to be ready to capitalize on it
in a way that would reshape the geopolitical landscape exponentially.
There is perhaps no more perverse relationship in the world than that which exists between
the West and Saudi Arabia - or, "the ISIS that made it," as Kamel Daoud, a columnist for
Quotidien d'Oran, and the author of "The Meursault Investigation"
calls the kingdom.
We've been over and over the glaring absurdity inherent in the fact
that the US and its partners consider the kingdom to be an "ally" in the fight against terrorism
and you can read more in the article linked above, but the problem is quite simply this:
the Saudis promote and export an ultra orthodox, ultra puritanical brand of Sunni Islam that is virtually
indistinguishable from that espoused by ISIS, al-Qaeda, and many of the other militant groups the
world generally identifies with "terrorism."
Wahhabism - championed by the Saudis - is poisonous, backward, and fuels sectarian strife
as well as international terrorism. That's not our opinion. It's a fact.
But hey, Riyadh has all of the oil, so no harm, no foul right?
Even as the very same ideals exported by Riyadh inspire the ISIS jihad, the kingdom
is so sure it has the political world in its pocket that it sought a seat on the UN Human Rights
Council, even as the country continues to carry out record numbers of executions.
They even had the nerve to establish what they called a
34-state Islamic military alliance against terrorism in December. Of course the members don't
include Shiite Iran (the Saudis' mortal enemy) or Shiite Iraq, both of which are actually
fighting terror rather than bombing civilians in Yemen and engaging in Wahhabist proselytizing.
But while everyone in the world is well aware of just how silly the "alliance" is, the farce will
apparently continue as French President Francois Hollande on Friday awarded Crown Prince
Mohammed bin Naif France's highest national honor, the Legion of Honor for "for his efforts in the
region and around the world to combat extremism and terrorism."
"... BREAKING!: Millions may have contracted "MUMI" virus. "MUMI" = Made Up Mass Information ..."
"... Are all the so-called "news" published in the USA just right-wing zionist neo-con propaganda? ..."
"... I call this a vicious manipulation of the information. The trouble is that there is no international legal body that could sanction that sort of deviancy. The MSM take advantage of their immunity ( 'Freedom of expression") to spread lies and throw people against each other's throats. They get away with it ( remember the infamous Judith Miller of the NY times about false scoops on Iraq nuclear weapons.. she should have been jailed) ..."
"... I'd like to see the weasel meme which makes the appearance of the US Ambassador to Russia "among" a crowd of anti-Putin demonstrators seem pro-Russian, or even diplomatically wise. ..."
"... Poor man's word play for the ignorant. Twitter is a perfect platform for this type of shite. Shameful to be fair. ..."
"... #BREAKING Saudi bombs bring peace and stability. ..."
"... Mr Cameron said he was proud of the "brilliant things" BAE had sold to the Middle Eastern country such as the Eurofighter Typhoon. The Saudi government has bought £3 billion of UK aircraft, arms and other defence products in 2015. ..."
The hint that the above AFP #BREAKING tweet was nonsense is the use of the word may.
Like in "#BREAKING Sky may have fallen". There is also the rhetoric redundancy in "have starved to
death".
But notice the 217 retweets which likely will have caused many secondary retweets and many, many
more viewer impressions.
So ( mostly in the West ) the Russians won nothing with the BS recent " peace" deal, except to
being propagandised and lied against as being starvationists and peace destroyers. With O chance
of peace
Are all the so-called "news" published in the USA just right-wing zionist neo-con propaganda?
I have given watching news on TV here in the USA. I trust RT.com, Moon of Alabama, xymphora,
cannonfire, cluborlov and a few other web sites. Local TV news is just depressing overload of
crime, sports and weather. If anyone knows of a daily newspaper published in English that tells
the truth, please let me know... Thanks. J.
I call this a vicious manipulation of the information. The trouble is that there is no international
legal body that could sanction that sort of deviancy. The MSM take advantage of their immunity
( 'Freedom of expression") to spread lies and throw people against each other's throats. They
get away with it ( remember the infamous Judith Miller of the NY times about false scoops on Iraq
nuclear weapons.. she should have been jailed)
One COULD construct a meme that the tweet was incomplete and omitted the words "...but for UN
aid" from the end. However, I'd like to see the weasel meme which makes the appearance of
the US Ambassador to Russia "among" a crowd of anti-Putin demonstrators seem pro-Russian, or even
diplomatically wise.
This did not go well with the public. Even his own supporters are critical. Like @eczferas
who tweets
: @trpresidency my dear president - i respect you more than i respect my self but wished
if you didn't say because they will use it against us
The issue is the two Turkish journalists who were jailed in November and now released (awaiting
trial) by Turkey's Constitutional Court. The journalist had revealed something about how Turkey
works hand in glove with the Islamic State. The Western media was
careful not to
reveal to their readers
what the journalist had found out.
Something about "alleging that President Recep Tayyip Erdogan's government tried to ship
arms to Islamists in Syria. This can hardly be news. The US does it openly all the time!
P.S. - In case Erdogan decides to remove the tweet, I saved
a screenshot
here.
The Turkish military targeted Daesh positions north of Syria's Aleppo province with artillery
fire as part anti-Daesh coalition efforts on Monday afternoon.
Turkish broadcaster NTV reported that approximately 50 to 60 rounds of howitzer shells were
fired into Syrian territory.
The cease-fire in Syria does not include Daesh, Nusra Front and other al-Qaida affiliates.
The Turkish military had earlier targeted Daesh positions with F-16 jets.
The operation took place while there was an ongoing Cabinet meeting in Ankara in which ministers
discussed anti-terror measures.
Daesh militants had attacked the Syrian town of Tel Abyad controlled by the YPG militia
at the Turkish border as well as the nearby town of Suluk on Saturday.
While a U.S. and Russian sponsored "cessation of hostilities" came into effect in Syria
over the weekend, the U.S.-led coalition and Russia reserve the right to continue attacks against
Daesh or the al Qaeda affiliate the Nusra Front.
Mr Cameron said he was proud of the "brilliant things" BAE had sold to the Middle Eastern
country such as the Eurofighter Typhoon. The Saudi government has bought £3 billion of UK aircraft,
arms and other defence products in 2015.
"I can see the planes being built right behind me here. We've got more work to do in Saudi
Arabia," Mr Cameron told the assembled BAE employees.
Oliver Sprague from Amnesty International told the Guardian: "The 'brilliant things' that
David Cameron says BAE sells include massive amounts of weaponry for the Saudi Arabia military,
despite Saudi Arabia's dreadful record in Yemen.
"Thousands of Yemeni civilians have been killed and injured in devastating and indiscriminate
Saudi coalition air strikes, and there's strong evidence that further weapons sales to Saudi
Arabia are not just ill-advised but actually illegal."
The Cameroon just can't get enough of that peace and stability, can he? Death, devastation, destruction
... and deceit, are all the Anglo-Americans - the 5 eyes of Oceania - have left for sale, and
they're gonna sell same till they drop!
You bet Le Monde made an article from the AFP cable yesterday
And there was no word there about Yemen or the Saudis as head of the HR council
"... weaponized bullsh!t, so we're safe for now. ..."
"... The weaponized Western propaganda. ..."
"... AmeriKan elites showing they are ever desperate for an eternal enemy...or as a distraction from their own corruption. Delay that "off with their heads" moment forever if possible. ..."
"... What a dangerous country. Thank God the world has America to protect it. And thank heavens it weaponized depleted uranium for the benefit of all the countries it has liberated. ..."
"... I think that take is confined to the Zionists and their whores, as Trump says he can get along with Russia and the American people seem to agree. The West caused this whole disaster of refugees, not Russia. Wake up world, and give Frau Merkle a nudge in the right direction. ..."
"... When the only tool you (the U.S.) have is a hammer (war), everything looks like a nail (a weapon). ..."
Apparently the West still maintains the lead in weaponized actors (ht Penelope), weaponized extremists
(ht Sy Hersh), and weaponized bullsh!t, so we're safe for now.
AmeriKan elites showing they are ever desperate for an eternal enemy...or as a distraction from their
own corruption. Delay that "off with their heads" moment forever if possible.
The mass production of faux news demonizing Russians invokes depictions of Orwell's nefarious Eurasians
from whom the populace needed Big Brother for protection.
What a dangerous country. Thank God the world has America to protect it. And thank heavens it weaponized
depleted uranium for the benefit of all the countries it has liberated.
I think that take is confined to the Zionists and their whores, as Trump says he can get along with
Russia and the American people seem to agree. The West caused this whole disaster of refugees, not Russia. Wake up world, and give Frau Merkle a nudge in the right direction. Another lost human in the maze
of Zion.
"... a strategy of destabilizing all of the areas surrounding Israel, this includes Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq and even Egypt and Saudi Arabia. This long-term goal is a part of a Greater Israel project, so in terms of sectarian divide you see happening in Iraq today it's actually all part of the very well designed plan to try and secure this fantasy goal of the Greater Israel project. ..."
"... The last thing Israel or US wants is a strong Nasser-type leader, an Arab nationalist who will seriously ensure that the resources of that country are taken and protected and used for the benefit of the people – that's the last thing that the empire wants and Israel wants. ..."
"... They're drunk on their own power, they are used to getting everything they want, they can buy anything and anyone that can be bought. This explains the corruption of virtually every government we can look at, and the policies do not reflect the interests of the people. They reflect, pure and simple, the interests of the bankers. ..."
Sophie Shevardnadze:So I am here with activist Kenneth O'Keefe, it's really
great to have you on our show. Kenneth, I know that you've led a human shield action in Iraq, right
before the war started and then you were deported – do you follow what's going on in Iraq right now?
For example, the November death toll was almost 1,000 and 2013 is the deadliest year since 2008.
Why do you think the removal of Saddam hasn't improved the lives of Iraqis? – Or has it? I don't
know…
Kenneth O'Keefe: Well, I think if you really want to know the truth about the
invasion in Iraq, there are clearly some incentives from the invasion: oil, securing oil was one
of them, establishing prominent military bases in the region was another one, but the far less talked
about reality is Israeli plans which made clear that the Balkanization of surrounding countries and
particularly Iraq, if we go to Odid Yinon's plan for Israel in the 1980s, it lays out very clearly
a strategy of destabilizing all of the areas surrounding Israel, this includes Syria, Lebanon, Jordan,
Iraq and even Egypt and Saudi Arabia. This long-term goal is a part of a Greater Israel project,
so in terms of sectarian divide you see happening in Iraq today it's actually all part of the very
well designed plan to try and secure this fantasy goal of the Greater Israel project.
SS: Why would Israel benefit from an unstable Middle East, unstable Arab nations?
Because what we see is that this instability actually is followed by fundamental Islam. People who
are overthrown are either replaced by fundamentalist powers or there's just more sectarian violence
that grows…
KK: Yes, if would seem on the surface from a sane point of view that everything
is going wrong, but in fact, when you fracture a country along sectarian divides, ultimately you
weaken the country. The last thing Israel or US wants is a strong Nasser-type leader, an Arab nationalist
who will seriously ensure that the resources of that country are taken and protected and used for
the benefit of the people – that's the last thing that the empire wants and Israel wants. While you
have these religious fundamentalist nutcases who are running around bombing and doing all sorts of
stuff like that, you have a weakened, fractured country in Iraq, and that is the prerequisite for
ultimately expanding Israel into a fantasy of a Greater Israel project. It doesn't seem sane and
it's not sane because those who are trying to carry out these agendas are pure and simple psychopaths.
SS: So you think that American administrations, one after another, have been
following this plan for 30 years?
KK: If you ask me how the world functions, then you have to understand one thing
plain and simple – the head of the snake, the system of power is headed by the financial system.
The bankers rule the Earth, through the private control of issuance of money, debt-based money which
we all are supposed to pay. Ultimately with all of these things that they call "austerity"
and whatnot, the bankers, basically, through the control of issuance of money which allows them
to provide themselves with an infinite supply of money, means that they can buy anything and anyone
that can be bought – so if we look at it, the vast majority of governments around the world, they
are nothing more than puppets carrying out an agenda for the bankers, and the bankers at the top
of this pyramid are, as I've said, plain and simple psychopath
They're drunk on their own power, they are used to getting everything they want, they can buy
anything and anyone that can be bought. This explains the corruption of virtually every government
we can look at, and the policies do not reflect the interests of the people. They reflect, pure and
simple, the interests of the bankers.
SS: So if what you're saying is true, that governments obey the big banks
and the big money, then it would really take the people and a revolution in each country that you
have named to actually change things around. Do you really see revolution taking place in America,
for example?
KK: It's already happening. I'll give you a great example why I'm optimistic
about things in America. You know that the president of the US, traitor that he is, is actually a
constitutional lawyer? He actually has trained at the highest levels [of academia] in constitutional
law. Do you know how obscene it is that somebody who was trained in constitutional law, giving himself
the authority to execute anyone, anywhere, in any part of the planet with no jury, no trial, no conviction,
nothing – this man is a dictator who has assigned himself the right to execute anyone, including
US citizens. I am confident that at some point the American patriots, who seem to be in a bit of
a coma and have been sleeping for a long time, are going to wake up soon and realize that when they
took an oath to uphold the Constitution of the US, the president of the US also took that oath and
has breached it so badly that he should be arrested and charged with treason right now – and ultimately
all of the sycophants of the US Congress who pass things like the Patriot Act and the NDAA, again,
completely a contrary to the US constitution, which is supposed to be the supreme law of the land.
These people need to be arrested, and a government needs to be put in place that actually honors
the US Constitution, and I honestly believe that's going to happen, one way or another.
... ... ...
SS: So you actually bring me to my next point, which is Syria. You're saying
the allegations in the Western press that it wasn't Syria but Iran that was the actual goal, the
final goal, are true. What happens now if Assad starts to look like he is finally achieving a decisive
victory, how will the US respond, do you think?
KK: Again, keep in mind that the real problem that Assad faces is that, well,
yes, there are major human rights violations that happen in Syria and then in every other Arab country,
and the US and the Western world – ultimately there are human rights violations of obscene levels,
especially in the US. So they are in no position to talk about other leaders – our leaders, the US
president can execute anyone, anywhere, anytime – and he does. So how can we talk about Bashar Al-Assad
seriously and say that this man is a problem…
SS: Oh, Kenneth, they will talk about that and [say] the world listens to
the American president, that's the difference. They will talk about that, they keep talking about
it. That was the whole purpose of why they wanted to overthrow Assad, because there were supposedly
human rights violations in Syria.
KK: The point that I'm making is that the US has given himself the authority
to execute anyone, anywhere, anytime for any pretext, any bogus reason. Is that more of a problem
to the world than Bashar Al-Assad? Of course it is! It's much more of a problem that the president
of the US says he can execute anyone, anywhere anytime, and yet we're sitting here talking about
Bashar Al-Assad which, granted, this man has committed crimes in Syria, there's no question of that.
But when we look at the US president, when we look at Israel, we look at Britain – that alliance,
this true Axis of Evil between these three countries. The amount of devastation that has occurred
in Iraq, in Afghanistan and in other parts of world – Yemen, Pakistan – it's so devastating, I think
its beggars belief that we as people can be conned into thinking that Bashar Al-Assad is the problem,
or that Ahmadinejad was the problem. We are the problem; we in the West are the problem, especially
the US government. It really is quite ridiculous that we get manipulated into saying, "Oh, we
have to take care of this problem over there." The problem is in our own backyard, and we know
this. We better take care of our dirty, filthy House of corruption. The US Congress is nothing but
a den of traitors, the most sycophantic, disgusting traitors you can imagine, and the White House
has got a dictator. This is a problem; this is a major problem, a much bigger problem than what's
happening in Syria or Bashar Al-Assad.
SS: Now, you have great knowledge and strong opinions about events in the
Middle East. Iran has recently softened its attitude toward its opponent after decades of deadlock.
Israel is annoyed. How do you see that developing?
KK: I think it's a reflection of the sanity of people around the world who realize
that any kind of attack on Iran is tantamount to initiating a full-scale Third World War, which of
course could very well and almost inevitably would lead to a war with China and Russia. This is pure
madness and those of us who've lost loved ones or who have served in combat like myself, and others
who know the devastating cost of war, not just for the so-called "victor" – because the
only victor really is the bankers, quite frankly – but even those who are supposedly on the winning
side suffer greatly, and testimony to that fact aside from 1 million to 2 million dead in Iraq is
the 22 American servicemen a day who are committing suicide because of the horrendous things that
they were told to do in places like Afghanistan and Iraq. This policy, this shift in policy to actually
resolve this conflict with Iran, this false conflict, in truth – is a reflection of the will of the
people, if you ask me, who are starting to achieve their goal.
SS: You think Netanyahu is bluffing, because I've spoken to a couple of Israeli
parliamentarians, I've spoken to Israelis – and they all are for a strike.
KK: No, I don't think he is bluffing, he is an absolute psychopath and he reflects
the agenda for the powers that be in Israel. Each one of these players – Netanyahu, George W. Bush,
Obama, Cameron – they are all puppets and they all are supposed to read a different script at different
times, depending on what the agenda is. The agenda is shifting slightly. It looks like Israel and
the people of Israel, the Jewish state of Israel, are like sheep being led into slaughter, because
ultimately the policies of Israel are completely and totally unsustainable. Even the CIA said in
2009 that Israel would not even exist within 20 years. Henry Kissinger himself said it wouldn't exist
in 10 years, and the reason why is because its policies are totally self-destructive. The puppet
masters are quite happy to sacrifice the people of Israel, they are going to destroy themselves if
they do attack Iran, because Iran can fight back and does have allies, and a lot of countries are
sick and tired of Israel's threats to both its immediate neighbors and even the rest of the world.
When we look at the Samson Option, I encourage people to Google "Samson Option" and look
at the threat Israel has posed to the world if things don't go its way.
SS: When you talk about the US, [it's] Israel's main supporter – but right
now we see that it's kind of open to Iran as well, knowing, how much anxiety that raises among Israelis
– what does it tell you about the US?
KK: It tells me that people are beginning to realize their power. I think there
are things that correlate – the approval rating for Barack Obama and the US Congress is as low as
it's possible to get, somewhere in the neighborhood of 10 percent, 20 percent maximum. The people
have come to a point where they are sick and tired of being lied to, they know they are being lied
to, and when they see their so-called leaders try to cooperate with Israel and get another war that
would lead to disastrous consequences for the region and for the US and every other person involved
– they've had it. The reflection of the policies is indeed that of the people, it's the people who
are sick and tired. I do see that there is some demarcation going on between Israel and the US, but
this is because the power of people is rising - and as we saw on Syria, the Congress and the president
were all basically saying, "The red line was crossed, blah-blah-blah," and this blatantly
false flag attack in Ghouta in Syria has backfired, they were not able to carry out this agenda,
and this is only empowering the people that much further.
SS: So you think Iran should be allowed to develop its nuclear program?
KK: I think it's absolutely hypocritical and insane that we would sit here and
fixate on Iran and its supposed nuclear weapons program, which I don't believe exists, but nonetheless,
who could blame Iran if they were developing nuclear weapons? If the US and the West taught any lessons
to the rest of the world with the invasion and occupation of Iraq it was that Saddam Hussein was
a fool for actually disarming, because by disarming all he did was make that much easier for the
empire to come in and destroy the entire country. So the lesson we teach to the world is that the
best way to defend yourself is to get yourself a nuclear weapon, and of course the biggest culprit
of using nuclear weapons and producing nuclear weapons and weapons of mass destruction is my birth
nation, the US, and I find it absolute insane that we sit here and talk about Iran's supposed nuclear
weapons program when we know the US is producing every kind of weapon under this sun. It is spending
more than any other military on the planet combined, and it's involved in more war, more death and
more suffering than any other nation combined. And yet it's sitting there on a pedestal talking about
other nations developing weapons of mass destruction? It is insane that we even allow them to do
this, the first nation that needs to disarm without questions is the US, and the first nation to
be charged with war crimes and crimes against humanity is my birth nation – the United States. Once
we start seeing actions like this, then we'll know the people in positions of power are serious,
because ultimately the rest of the world is sick and tired of the impunity and continuous threats
of a Third World War. We've reached the point now when human beings around the planet are realizing
we can't do this. We can't have a Third World War, this is not a game.
SS: But you haven't answered my question – do you think Iran should be able
to develop its nuclear program?
KK: I think that every nation should disarm right now, every nation that has
a weapons program should be inspected by a legitimate international body and those nations with the
highest amount of WMDs, nuclear weapons should be the first ones to start disarming. When those nations
start disarming, then I would say that the rest of the world will also have to show that it's disarming
as well. While the US is able to maintain the largest military might in the history of the world
and continues to use those weapons against all other countries, I only see it as a pure hypocrisy
that the West would say that other countries can't have such things. I don't want any weapons in
this world, but it's not right for us in the West and particular for the US to say that we can have
all these weapons and for the rest of the world – we'll bomb you to the Stone Age if you even try
to think to defend yourself. It's beyond hypocrisy, it's ridiculous. The US needs to disarm first,
and the world needs to assist on that.
SS: I've read in your blog that you said this world needs one thing above
all others – and that's sanity. But doesn't sanity depend on what side of the argument you're on?
KK: No, I think we were all sane when we were children and unfortunately what
passes as education is actually an indoctrination and through indoctrination we've turned into really
largely a bunch of dupes who've enslaved ourselves without even knowing it, but when you regain the
capacity to think for yourself, to actually become human, it becomes very clear. For instance, if
we look at these politicians who are historically lying to us, over and over and over again, and
we realize that the war-making are absolutely inherently interested in perpetuating war, and if we
look at the people in the positions of power, we see how they continuously reap major bonuses with
the banks – they get bailouts to the tune of trillions and yet we're being told that we're not working
hard enough, that we're in debt. All of these things combined lead us to the point when we reach
a certain level of sanity, and realize: "You know what? This entire system does not represent
me," and in fact every person on this planet is fighting the same enemy. That enemy uses the
financial system to enslave all of us. It doesn't take a genius to figure this out; in fact more
and more people are figuring this out. A point of sanity brings us to the point when we realize:
"Enough, this is a game that cannot be played, we're risking our own collective suicide here
and as a sane person I will not contribute in any way towards this never-ending policy of war which
is leading us to the brink of destruction". This is not about being intelligent, this is about
being sane first and foremost. The average person can understand this very easily.
"... The meeting of oil-producing countries will be held on March 20th in Russia, the Minister of oil of Nigeria, Emmanuel Kachikwu, announced. According to him, it will be attended by representatives of countries who are OPEC members and countries that are not members in the organization. Mr. Kachikwu noted that producers seek to restore oil prices to $50 per barrel ..."
here is some good news. You have heard it first from me here on POB 2 weeks ago. We are moving
in direction of restoring the prices to acceptable level that major producers can live temporarily.
"The meeting of oil-producing countries will be held on March 20th in Russia, the Minister
of oil of Nigeria, Emmanuel Kachikwu, announced. According to him, it will be attended by representatives
of countries who are OPEC members and countries that are not members in the organization. Mr.
Kachikwu noted that producers seek to restore oil prices to $50 per barrel."
"... Instead, it reprieved the fading remnants of the military-industrial-congressional complex, the neocon interventionist camp and Washingtons legions of cold war apparatchiks. All of the foregoing would have been otherwise consigned to the dust bin of history. ..."
"... The Saudis geopolitical goal is to contain the economic and political power of the kingdoms principal rival, Iran, a Shiite state, and close ally of Bashar Assad. The Saudi monarchy viewed the U.S.-sponsored Shiite takeover in Iraq (and, more recently, the termination of the Iran trade embargo) as a demotion to its regional power status and was already engaged in a proxy war against Tehran in Yemen, highlighted by the Saudi genocide against the Iranian backed Houthi tribe. ..."
"... But the Sunni kingdoms with vast petrodollars at stake wanted a much deeper involvement from America. On September 4, 2013, Secretary of State John Kerry told a congressional hearing that the Sunni kingdoms had offered to foot the bill for a U.S. invasion of Syria to oust Bashar Assad. In fact, some of them have said that if the United States is prepared to go do the whole thing, the way weve done it previously in other places [Iraq], theyll carry the cost. Kerry reiterated the offer to Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-Fla.): With respect to Arab countries offering to bear the costs of [an American invasion] to topple Assad, the answer is profoundly yes, they have. The offer is on the table. ..."
"... Gazproms gas exports to Europe – including Turkey – had increased to 158.6 billion cubic meters in 2015 with a 8.2 percent increase compared to 2014 ..."
Stockman's Tales of western intervention into the ME Oil Puzzle.
"The Trumpster Sends The GOP/Neocon Establishment To The Dumpster"
"And most certainly, this lamentable turn to the War Party's disastrous reign had nothing to do
with oil security or economic prosperity in America. The cure for high oil is always and everywhere
high oil prices, not the Fifth Fleet"
It goes all the way back to the collapse of the old Soviet Union and the elder Bush's historically
foolish decision to invade the Persian Gulf in February 1991. The latter stopped dead in its
tracks the first genuine opportunity for peace the people of the world had been afforded since
August 1914.
Instead, it reprieved the fading remnants of the military-industrial-congressional complex,
the neocon interventionist camp and Washington's legions of cold war apparatchiks. All of the
foregoing would have been otherwise consigned to the dust bin of history.
Yet at that crucial inflection point there was absolutely nothing at stake with respect
to the safety and security of the American people in the petty quarrel between Saddam Hussein
and the Emir of Kuwait.
Having alienated Iraq and Syria, Kim Roosevelt fled the Mideast to work as an executive
for the oil industry that he had served so well during his public service career at the CIA.
Roosevelt's replacement as CIA station chief, James Critchfield, attempted a failed assassination
plot against the new Iraqi president using a toxic handkerchief, according to Weiner. Five
years later, the CIA finally succeeded in deposing the Iraqi president and installing the Ba'ath
Party in power in Iraq. A charismatic young murderer named Saddam Hussein was one of the distinguished
leaders of the CIA's Ba'athist team.
… … …
The EU, which gets 30 percent of its gas from Russia, was equally hungry for the pipeline,
which would have given its members cheap energy and relief from Vladimir Putin's stifling economic
and political leverage. Turkey, Russia's second largest gas customer, was particularly anxious
to end its reliance on its ancient rival and to position itself as the lucrative transect hub
for Asian fuels to EU markets. The Qatari pipeline would have benefited Saudi Arabia's conservative
Sunni monarchy by giving it a foothold in Shia-dominated Syria. The Saudis' geopolitical goal
is to contain the economic and political power of the kingdom's principal rival, Iran, a Shiite
state, and close ally of Bashar Assad. The Saudi monarchy viewed the U.S.-sponsored Shiite
takeover in Iraq (and, more recently, the termination of the Iran trade embargo) as a demotion
to its regional power status and was already engaged in a proxy war against Tehran in Yemen,
highlighted by the Saudi genocide against the Iranian backed Houthi tribe.
Of course, the Russians, who sell 70 percent of their gas exports to Europe, viewed the
Qatar/Turkey pipeline as an existential threat. In Putin's view, the Qatar pipeline is a NATO
plot to change the status quo, deprive Russia of its only foothold in the Middle East, strangle
the Russian economy and end Russian leverage in the European energy market. In 2009, Assad
announced that he would refuse to sign the agreement to allow the pipeline to run through Syria
"to protect the interests of our Russian ally."
… … …
But the Sunni kingdoms with vast petrodollars at stake wanted a much deeper involvement
from America. On September 4, 2013, Secretary of State John Kerry told a congressional hearing
that the Sunni kingdoms had offered to foot the bill for a U.S. invasion of Syria to oust Bashar
Assad. "In fact, some of them have said that if the United States is prepared to go do the
whole thing, the way we've done it previously in other places [Iraq], they'll carry the cost."
Kerry reiterated the offer to Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-Fla.): "With respect to Arab countries
offering to bear the costs of [an American invasion] to topple Assad, the answer is profoundly
yes, they have. The offer is on the table."
"The EU, which gets 30 percent of its gas from Russia, was equally hungry for the pipeline, which
would have given its members cheap energy and relief from Vladimir Putin's stifling economic and
political leverage."
That is nonsense. The issue is that Russia has quite limited leverage: They can not replace
the European customers on short notice – pipeline chain producer to certain customers – and they
urgently need the income.
The more interesting question for Russia is how to cope with a customers who may reduce the
demand for NG by 1% per year for the next few decades.
"The issue is that Russia has quite limited leverage: They can not replace the European customers
on short notice"
Leverage is always mutual in the gas trade that involves long term contracts and long gas supply
lines. It is like marriage :-)
"The more interesting question for Russia is how to cope with a customers who may reduce the
demand for NG by 1% per year for the next few decades."
I am not sure that this is the case.
"Gazprom's gas exports to Europe – including Turkey – had increased to 158.6 billion cubic
meters in 2015 with a 8.2 percent increase compared to 2014."
BAGHDAD (AP) - Iraq's Oil Ministry said Tuesday that crude exports averaged
3.225 million barrels a day in February, far below levels planned to provide
the nation with badly needed cash for ongoing military operations against Islamic
State extremists.
Last month exports grossed about $2.2 billion, based on an average price
of about $23 per barrel, ministry spokesman Assem Jihad said in a statement.
Iraq's 2016 budget is based on an expected price of $45 per barrel with a daily
export capacity of 3.6 million.
January's daily exports averaged 3.283 million barrels, bringing that month's
revenues to $2.261 billion.
The figures do not include oil being independently exported from Iraq's self-ruled
northern Kurdish region since mid-2015, preventing the government from reaping
revenues of nearly 600,000 barrels a day.
Iraq holds the world's fourth largest oil reserves, some 143.1 billion barrels,
and oil revenues make up nearly 95 percent of its budget. But like other oil-reliant
countries, Iraq's economy has been severely hit by plummeting oil prices since
2014.
This year's budget stands at nearly 106 trillion Iraqi dinars, or about $89.7
billion. It runs with a deficit of over 24 trillion dinars (about $20.5 billion)
that are planned to be relieved through loans from local and international lenders.
In the summer of 2014, Iraq was plunged into its worst crisis in the aftermath
of the withdrawal of U.S. troops at the end of 2011. The Islamic State group
- which emerged out of al-Qaida's branch in Iraq - blitzed across vast swaths
of Iraqi territory, including the country's second largest city, Mosul, and
captured nearly a third of Iraq.
Iraq introduced austerity measures earlier this year - eliminating government
posts, merging some ministries, halting spending on construction projects and
imposing new taxes to pay for civil servants and fund its military.
A really interesting analyses
of the USA foreign policy from the son of Robert Kennedy "They don't hate 'our freedoms.' They hate
that we've betrayed our ideals in their own countries-for oil. "
Notable quotes:
"... But thanks in large part to Allen Dulles and the CIA, whose foreign policy intrigues were often directly at odds with the stated policies of our nation, the idealistic path outlined in the Atlantic Charter was the road not taken. ..."
"... This is the bloody history that modern interventionists like George W. Bush, Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio miss when they recite their narcissistic trope that Mideast nationalists "hate us for our freedoms." For the most part they don't; instead they hate us for the way we betrayed those freedoms-our own ideals-within their borders. ..."
"... But in March 1949, Syria's democratically elected president, Shukri-al-Quwatli, hesitated to approve the Trans-Arabian Pipeline, an American project intended to connect the oil fields of Saudi Arabia to the ports of Lebanon via Syria. In his book, Legacy of Ashes, CIA historian Tim Weiner recounts that in retaliation for Al-Quwatli's lack of enthusiasm for the U.S. pipeline, the CIA engineered a coup replacing al-Quwatli with the CIA's handpicked dictator, a convicted swindler named Husni al-Za'im. Al-Za'im barely had time to dissolve parliament and approve the American pipeline before his countrymen deposed him, four and a half months into his regime. ..."
"... That posture caused CIA Director Dulles to declare that "Syria is ripe for a coup" and send his two coup wizards, Kim Roosevelt and Rocky Stone, to Damascus. ..."
"... Despite Dulles' needling, President Harry Truman had forbidden the CIA from actively joining the British caper to topple Mosaddegh. When Eisenhower took office in January 1953, he immediately unleashed Dulles. After ousting Mosaddegh in "Operation Ajax," Stone and Roosevelt installed Shah Reza Pahlavi, who favored U.S. oil companies but whose two decades of CIA sponsored savagery toward his own people from the Peacock throne would finally ignite the 1979 Islamic revolution that has bedeviled our foreign policy for 35 years. ..."
"... Stone arrived in Damascus in April 1957 with $3 million to arm and incite Islamic militants and to bribe Syrian military officers and politicians to overthrow al-Quwatli's democratically elected secularist regime, according to Safe for Democracy: The Secret Wars of the CIA, by John Prados. ..."
"... That report observes that control of the Persian Gulf oil and gas deposits will remain, for the U.S., "a strategic priority" that "will interact strongly with that of prosecuting the long war." Rand recommended using "covert action, information operations, unconventional warfare" to enforce a "divide and rule" strategy. "The United States and its local allies could use the nationalist jihadists to launch a proxy campaign" and "U.S. leaders could also choose to capitalize on the sustained Shia-Sunni conflict trajectory by taking the side of the conservative Sunni regimes against Shiite empowerment movements in the Muslim world ... possibly supporting authoritative Sunni governments against a continuingly hostile Iran." ..."
"... When Sunni soldiers of the Syrian Army began defecting in 2013, the western coalition armed the Free Syrian Army to further destabilize Syria. The press portrait of the Free Syrian Army as cohesive battalions of Syrian moderates was delusional. The dissolved units regrouped in hundreds of independent militias most of which were commanded by, or allied with, jihadi militants who were the most committed and effective fighters. ..."
"... Despite the prevailing media portrait of a moderate Arab uprising against the tyrant Assad, U.S. intelligence planners knew from the outset that their pipeline proxies were radical jihadists who would probably carve themselves a brand new Islamic caliphate from the Sunni regions of Syria and Iraq. ..."
"... a seven-page August 12, 2012, study by the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency, obtained by the right-wing group Judicial Watch, warned that thanks to the ongoing support by U.S./Sunni Coalition for radical Sunni Jihadists, "the Salafist, the Muslim Brotherhood and AQI (now ISIS), are the major forces driving the insurgency in Syria." ..."
"... The Pentagon report warns that this new principality could move across the Iraqi border to Mosul and Ramadi and "declare an Islamic state through its union with other terrorist organizations in Iraq and Syria." ..."
"... Bremer elevated the Shiites to power and banned Saddam's ruling Ba'ath Party, laying off some 700,000 mostly Sunni, government and party officials from ministers to schoolteachers. He then disbanded the 380,000-man army, which was 80 percent Sunni. Bremer's actions stripped a million of Iraq's Sunnis of rank, property, wealth and power; leaving a desperate underclass of angry, educated, capable, trained and heavily armed Sunnis with little left to lose. The Sunni insurgency named itself Al Qaeda in Iraq. Beginning in 2011, our allies funded the invasion by AQI fighters into Syria. ..."
"... "ISIS is run by a council of former Iraqi generals. ... Many are members of Saddam Hussein's secular Ba'ath Party who converted to radical Islam in American prisons." ..."
America's unsavory record of violent interventions in Syria-little-known to the American people
yet well-known to Syrians-sowed fertile ground for the violent Islamic jihadism that now complicates
any effective response by our government to address the challenge of ISIL. So long as the American
public and policymakers are unaware of this past, further interventions are likely only to compound
the crisis. Secretary of State John Kerry this week announced a "provisional" ceasefire in Syria.
But since U.S. leverage and prestige within Syria is minimal-and the ceasefire doesn't include key
combatants such as Islamic State and al Nusra--it's bound to be a shaky truce at best. Similarly
President Obama's stepped-up military intervention in Libya-U.S. airstrikes targeted an Islamic State
training camp last week-is likely to strengthen rather than weaken the radicals. As the New York
Times reported in a December 8, 2015, front-page story, Islamic State political leaders and strategic
planners are working to provoke an American military intervention. They know from experience this
will flood their ranks with volunteer fighters, drown the voices of moderation and unify the Islamic
world against America.
To understand this dynamic, we need to look at history from the Syrians' perspective and particularly
the seeds of the current conflict. Long before our 2003 occupation of Iraq triggered the Sunni uprising
that has now morphed into the Islamic State, the CIA had nurtured violent jihadism as a Cold War
weapon and freighted U.S./Syrian relationships with toxic baggage.
This did not happen without controversy at home. In July 1957, following a failed coup in Syria
by the CIA, my uncle, Sen. John F. Kennedy, infuriated the Eisenhower White House, the leaders of
both political parties and our European allies with a milestone speech endorsing the right of self-governance
in the Arab world and an end to America's imperialist meddling in Arab countries. Throughout my lifetime,
and particularly during my frequent travels to the Mideast, countless Arabs have fondly recalled
that speech to me as the clearest statement of the idealism they expected from the U.S. Kennedy's
speech was a call for recommitting America to the high values our country had championed in the Atlantic
Charter; the formal pledge that all the former European colonies would have the right to self-determination
following World War II. Franklin D. Roosevelt had strong-armed Winston Churchill and the other allied
leaders to sign the Atlantic Charter in 1941 as a precondition for U.S. support in the European war
against fascism.
But thanks in large part to Allen Dulles and the CIA, whose foreign policy intrigues were
often directly at odds with the stated policies of our nation, the idealistic path outlined in the
Atlantic Charter was the road not taken. In 1957, my grandfather, Ambassador Joseph P. Kennedy,
sat on a secret committee charged with investigating the CIA's clandestine mischief in the Mideast.
The so called "Bruce-Lovett Report," to which he was a signatory, described CIA coup plots in Jordan,
Syria, Iran, Iraq and Egypt, all common knowledge on the Arab street, but virtually unknown to the
American people who believed, at face value, their government's denials. The report blamed the CIA
for the rampant anti-Americanism that was then mysteriously taking root "in the many countries in
the world today." The Bruce-Lovett Report pointed out that such interventions were antithetical to
American values and had compromised America's international leadership and moral authority without
the knowledge of the American people. The report also said that the CIA never considered how we would
treat such interventions if some foreign government were to engineer them in our country.
This is the bloody history that modern interventionists like George W. Bush, Ted Cruz and
Marco Rubio miss when they recite their narcissistic trope that Mideast nationalists "hate us for
our freedoms." For the most part they don't; instead they hate us for the way we betrayed those freedoms-our
own ideals-within their borders.
***
For Americans to really understand what's going on, it's important to review some details about
this sordid but little-remembered history. During the 1950s, President Eisenhower and the Dulles
brothers-CIA Director Allen Dulles and Secretary of State John Foster Dulles-rebuffed Soviet treaty
proposals to leave the Middle East a neutral zone in the Cold War and let Arabs rule Arabia. Instead,
they mounted a clandestine war against Arab nationalism-which Allen Dulles equated with communism-particularly
when Arab self-rule threatened oil concessions. They pumped secret American military aid to tyrants
in Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Iraq and Lebanon favoring puppets with conservative Jihadist ideologies
thath they regarded as a reliable antidote to Soviet Marxism. At a White House meeting between the
CIA's director of plans, Frank Wisner, and John Foster Dulles, in September 1957, Eisenhower advised
the agency, "We should do everything possible to stress the 'holy war' aspect," according to a memo
recorded by his staff secretary, Gen. Andrew J. Goodpaster.
Two years later, Amb. Kennedy served on a secret committee that sharply criticized the CIA-backed
oversees operations that inflamed anti-American sentiment in the Middle East. That same year, freshman
Senator John F. Kennedy, pictured right with brother Robert during a Senate committee hearing, delivered
a speech from the Senate floor titled "Imperialism-The Enemy of Freedom," similarly excoriating the
Eisenhower administration for hindering political self-determination in the region.
The CIA began its active meddling in Syria in 1949-barely a year after the agency's creation.
Syrian patriots had declared war on the Nazis, expelled their Vichy French colonial rulers and crafted
a fragile secularist democracy based on the American model. But in March 1949, Syria's democratically
elected president, Shukri-al-Quwatli, hesitated to approve the Trans-Arabian Pipeline, an American
project intended to connect the oil fields of Saudi Arabia to the ports of Lebanon via Syria. In
his book, Legacy of Ashes, CIA historian Tim Weiner recounts that in retaliation for Al-Quwatli's
lack of enthusiasm for the U.S. pipeline, the CIA engineered a coup replacing al-Quwatli with the
CIA's handpicked dictator, a convicted swindler named Husni al-Za'im. Al-Za'im barely had time to
dissolve parliament and approve the American pipeline before his countrymen deposed him, four and
a half months into his regime.
Following several counter-coups in the newly destabilized country, the Syrian people again tried
democracy in 1955, re-electing al-Quwatli and his National Party. Al-Quwatli was still a Cold War
neutralist, but, stung by American involvement in his ouster, he now leaned toward the Soviet camp.
That posture caused CIA Director Dulles to declare that "Syria is ripe for a coup" and send his
two coup wizards, Kim Roosevelt and Rocky Stone, to Damascus.
Two years earlier, Roosevelt and Stone had orchestrated a coup in Iran against the democratically
elected President Mohammed Mosaddegh, after Mosaddegh tried to renegotiate the terms of Iran's lopsided
contracts with the British oil giant Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (now BP). Mosaddegh was the first
elected leader in Iran's 4,000-year history and a popular champion for democracy across the developing
world. Mosaddegh expelled all British diplomats after uncovering a coup attempt by U.K. intelligence
officers working in cahoots with BP. Mosaddegh, however, made the fatal mistake of resisting his
advisers' pleas to also expel the CIA, which, they correctly suspected, was complicit in the British
plot. Mosaddegh idealized the U.S. as a role model for Iran's new democracy and incapable of such
perfidies. Despite Dulles' needling, President Harry Truman had forbidden the CIA from actively
joining the British caper to topple Mosaddegh. When Eisenhower took office in January 1953, he immediately
unleashed Dulles. After ousting Mosaddegh in "Operation Ajax," Stone and Roosevelt installed Shah
Reza Pahlavi, who favored U.S. oil companies but whose two decades of CIA sponsored savagery toward
his own people from the Peacock throne would finally ignite the 1979 Islamic revolution that has
bedeviled our foreign policy for 35 years.
Flush from his Operation Ajax "success" in Iran, Stone arrived in Damascus in April 1957 with
$3 million to arm and incite Islamic militants and to bribe Syrian military officers and politicians
to overthrow al-Quwatli's democratically elected secularist regime, according to Safe for Democracy:
The Secret Wars of the CIA, by John Prados. Working with the Muslim Brotherhood and millions
of dollars, Rocky Stone schemed to assassinate Syria's chief of intelligence, the chief of its General
Staff and the chief of the Communist Party, and to engineer "national conspiracies and various strong
arm" provocations in Iraq, Lebanon and Jordan that could be blamed on the Syrian Ba'athists. Tim
Weiner describes in Legacy of Ashes how the CIA's plan was to destabilize the Syrian government and
create a pretext for an invasion by Iraq and Jordan, whose governments were already under CIA control.
Kim Roosevelt forecast that the CIA's newly installed puppet government would "rely first upon repressive
measures and arbitrary exercise of power," according to declassified CIA documents reported in The
Guardian newspaper.
... ... ...
Having alienated Iraq and Syria, Kim Roosevelt fled the Mideast to work as an executive for the
oil industry that he had served so well during his public service career at the CIA. Roosevelt's
replacement as CIA station chief, James Critchfield, attempted a failed assassination plot against
the new Iraqi president using a toxic handkerchief, according to Weiner. Five years later, the CIA
finally succeeded in deposing the Iraqi president and installing the Ba'ath Party in power in Iraq.
A charismatic young murderer named Saddam Hussein was one of the
distinguished leaders of the CIA's Ba'athist team. The Ba'ath Party's Secretary, Ali Saleh Sa'adi,
who took office alongside Saddam Hussein, would later say, "We came to power on a CIA train," according
to A Brutal Friendship: The West and the Arab Elite, by Said Aburish, a journalist and author.
Aburish recounted that the CIA supplied Saddam and his cronies a murder list of people who "had to
be eliminated immediately in order to ensure success." Tim Weiner writes that Critchfield later acknowledged
that the CIA had, in essence, "created Saddam Hussein."
... ... ...
The EU, which gets 30 percent of its gas from Russia, was equally hungry for the pipeline, which
would have given its members cheap energy and relief from Vladimir Putin's stifling economic and
political leverage. Turkey, Russia's second largest gas customer, was particularly anxious to end
its reliance on its ancient rival and to position itself as the lucrative transect hub for Asian
fuels to EU markets. The Qatari pipeline would have benefited Saudi Arabia's conservative Sunni monarchy
by giving it a foothold in Shia-dominated Syria. The Saudis' geopolitical goal is to contain the
economic and political power of the kingdom's principal rival, Iran, a Shiite state, and close ally
of Bashar Assad. The Saudi monarchy viewed the U.S.-sponsored Shiite takeover in Iraq (and, more
recently, the termination of the Iran trade embargo) as a demotion to its regional power status and
was already engaged in a proxy war against Tehran in Yemen, highlighted by the Saudi genocide against
the Iranian backed Houthi tribe.
Of course, the Russians,
who sell 70
percent of their gas exports to Europe, viewed the Qatar/Turkey pipeline as an existential threat.
In Putin's view, the Qatar pipeline is a NATO plot to change the status quo, deprive Russia of its
only foothold in the Middle East, strangle the Russian economy and end Russian leverage in the European
energy market. In 2009, Assad announced that he would refuse to sign the agreement to allow the pipeline
to run through Syria "to protect the interests of our Russian ally."
Despite pressure from Republicans, Barack Obama balked at hiring out young Americans to die as
mercenaries for a pipeline conglomerate. Obama wisely ignored Republican clamoring to put ground
troops in Syria or to funnel more funding to "moderate insurgents." But by late 2011, Republican
pressure and our Sunni allies had pushed the American government into the fray.
In 2011, the U.S. joined France, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and the UK to form the Friends of
Syria Coalition, which formally demanded the removal of Assad. The CIA provided $6 million to Barada,
a British TV channel, to produce pieces entreating Assad's ouster. Saudi intelligence documents,
published by WikiLeaks, show that by 2012, Turkey, Qatar and Saudi Arabia were arming, training and
funding radical jihadist Sunni fighters from Syria, Iraq and elsewhere to overthrow the Assad's Shiite-allied
regime. Qatar, which had the most to gain,
invested $3 billion in building the insurgency and invited the Pentagon to train insurgents at
U.S. bases in Qatar. According to an April 2014 article by Seymour Hersh, the CIA weapons ratlines
were
financed by Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar.
The idea of fomenting a Sunni-Shiite civil war to weaken the Syrian and Iranian regimes in order
to to maintain control of the region's petrochemical supplies was not a novel notion in the Pentagon's
lexicon. A
damning 2008 Pentagon-funded Rand report proposed a precise blueprint for what was about to happen.
That report observes that control of the Persian Gulf oil and gas deposits will remain, for the
U.S., "a strategic priority" that "will interact strongly with that of prosecuting the long war."
Rand recommended using "covert action, information operations, unconventional warfare" to enforce
a "divide and rule" strategy. "The United States and its local allies could use the nationalist jihadists
to launch a proxy campaign" and "U.S. leaders could also choose to capitalize on the sustained Shia-Sunni
conflict trajectory by taking the side of the conservative Sunni regimes against Shiite empowerment
movements in the Muslim world ... possibly supporting authoritative Sunni governments against a continuingly
hostile Iran."
As predicted, Assad's overreaction to the foreign-made crisis-dropping barrel bombs onto Sunni
strongholds and killing civilians-polarized Syria's Shiite/Sunni divide and allowed U.S. policymakers
to sell Americans the idea that the pipeline struggle was a humanitarian war. When Sunni soldiers
of the Syrian Army began defecting in 2013, the western coalition armed the Free Syrian Army to further
destabilize Syria. The press portrait of the Free Syrian Army as cohesive battalions of Syrian moderates
was delusional. The dissolved units regrouped in hundreds of independent militias most of which were
commanded by, or allied with, jihadi militants who were the most committed and effective fighters.
By then, the Sunni armies of Al Qaeda in Iraq were crossing the border from Iraq into Syria and joining
forces with the squadrons of deserters from the Free Syrian Army, many of them trained and armed
by the U.S.
Despite the prevailing media portrait of a moderate Arab uprising against the tyrant Assad,
U.S. intelligence planners knew from the outset that their pipeline proxies were radical jihadists
who would probably carve themselves a brand new Islamic caliphate from the Sunni regions of Syria
and Iraq. Two years before ISIL throat cutters stepped on the world stage, a
seven-page August 12, 2012, study by the U.S. Defense Intelligence Agency, obtained by the right-wing
group Judicial Watch, warned that thanks to the ongoing support by U.S./Sunni Coalition for radical
Sunni Jihadists, "the Salafist, the Muslim Brotherhood and AQI (now ISIS), are the major forces driving
the insurgency in Syria." Using U.S. and Gulf state funding, these groups had turned the peaceful
protests against Bashar Assad toward "a clear sectarian (Shiite vs. Sunni) direction." The paper
notes that the conflict had become a sectarian civil war supported by Sunni "religious and political
powers." The report paints the Syrian conflict as a global war for control of the region's resources
with "the west, Gulf countries and Turkey supporting [Assad's] opposition, while Russia, China and
Iran support the regime." The Pentagon authors of the seven-page report
appear to endorse the predicted advent of the ISIS caliphate: "If the situation unravels, there
is the possibility of establishing a declared or undeclared Salafist principality in eastern Syria
(Hasaka and Der Zor) and this is exactly what the supporting powers to the opposition want in
order to isolate the Syrian regime."The Pentagon report warns that this new principality
could move across the Iraqi border to Mosul and Ramadi and "declare an Islamic state through its
union with other terrorist organizations in Iraq and Syria."
Of course, this is precisely what has happened. Not coincidentally, the regions of Syria occupied
by the Islamic State exactly encompass the proposed route of the Qatari pipeline.
Across the Mideast, Arab leaders routinely accuse the U.S. of having created the Islamic State.
To most Americans, such accusations seem insane. However, to many Arabs, the evidence of U.S. involvement
is so abundant that they conclude that our role in fostering the Islamic State must have been deliberate.
In fact, many of the Islamic State fighters and their commanders are ideological and organizational
successors to the jihadists that the CIA has been nurturing for more than 30 years from Syria and
Egypt to Afghanistan and Iraq.
Prior to the American invasion, there was no Al Qaeda in Saddam Hussein's Iraq. President George
W. Bush destroyed Saddam's secularist government, and his viceroy, Paul Bremer, in a monumental act
of mismanagement, effectively created the Sunni Army, now named the Islamic State. Bremer elevated
the Shiites to power and banned Saddam's ruling Ba'ath Party, laying off some 700,000 mostly Sunni,
government and party officials from ministers to schoolteachers. He then disbanded the 380,000-man
army, which was 80 percent Sunni. Bremer's actions stripped a million of Iraq's Sunnis of rank, property,
wealth and power; leaving a desperate underclass of angry, educated, capable, trained and heavily
armed Sunnis with little left to lose. The Sunni insurgency named itself Al Qaeda in Iraq. Beginning
in 2011, our allies funded the invasion by AQI fighters into Syria.
In April 2013, having entered Syria, AQI changed its name to ISIL. According to Dexter Filkins
of the New Yorker, "ISIS is run by a council of former Iraqi generals. ... Many are members
of Saddam Hussein's secular Ba'ath Party who converted to radical Islam in American prisons."
The $500 million in U.S. military aid that Obama did send to Syria almost certainly ended up benefiting
these militant jihadists. Tim Clemente, the former chairman of the FBI's joint task force, told me
that the difference between the Iraq and Syria conflicts is the millions of military-aged men who
are fleeing the battlefield for Europe rather than staying to fight for their communities.
The obvious explanation is that the nation's moderates are fleeing a war that is not their war.
They simply want to escape being crushed between the anvil of Assad's Russian-backed tyranny and
the vicious jihadist Sunni hammer that we had a hand in wielding in a global battle over competing
pipelines. You can't blame the Syrian people for not widely embracing a blueprint for their nation
minted in either Washington or Moscow. The superpowers have left no options for an idealistic future
that moderate Syrians might consider fighting for. And no one wants to die for a pipeline.
... ... ..
Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. is the president of Waterkeeper Alliance. His newest book is
Thimerosal: Let The Science Speak.
Опубликованная в "Новой газете" моя статья "Нормальные герои всегда идут в обход", рассказывает о
коррумпированном экс-премьере и ныне оппозиционере Михаиле "Два Процента" Касьянове. Нет, нет. Я
не ошибся. Журналистское расследование о махинациях, жульничестве и миллионах долларов нынешнего
главы "Парнас" Михаила Касьянова опубликовано именно в "Новой газете". Вот
ЗДЕСЬ .
Только статья датирована 28 февраля 2000 года. То есть, ровно 16 лет назад. Что, впрочем, ничего
не меняет. Ни один факт, из приведенных мною в "Новой газете" в 2000 году, не был опровергнут ни
самой "Новой газетой", ни Михаилом Касьяновым.
Привожу свое расследование, опубликованное "
Новой газетой ", полностью.
" Нормальные герои всегда идут в обход
Неизвестные факты из жизни Михаила Касьянова
Стране нужны новые герои. Надоели Березовский и Абрамович. На них и без нас уже пробы негде ставить.
Я кинул взгляд окрест Кремля и Белого дома и обнаружил в пыли Министерства финансов настоящий бриллиант
из короны будущего президента - это не кто иной, как второй человек в государстве Российском, вице-премьер
Михаил Касьянов. Начав изучение жизни своего "героя", я вскоре понял, что этот на первый взгляд скромный
переговорщик с МВФ - просто находка для журналистского расследования. За тихим и внешне приятным
Михаилом Михайловичем тянутся весьма и весьма странные следы... Итак, несколько историй из жизни
нового "героя" России Михаила Касьянова
ИЗ НАШЕГО ДОСЬЕ.
Касьянов Михаил Михайлович родился 8 декабря 1957 года в Солнцеве, окончил Московский автодорожный
институт. С 1981 по 1990 год работал в Госплане РСФСР, специализируясь на внешнеэкономических связях.
С 1990 по 1993 год Касьянов трудился в Министерстве экономики, где также отвечал за внешнеэкономические
вопросы. В 1993 году перешел в Министерство финансов, где возглавил департамент иностранных кредитов
и внешнего долга. В 1995 году Михаил Михайлович назначен заместителем министра финансов РФ, а 25
мая 1999 года наш "герой" занял пост министра. В настоящее время Касьянов - первый вице-премьер,
министр финансов и практически исполняет обязанности главы кабинета министров Владимира Путина.
Касьянов и "Мабетекс"
Перед нами - удивительный документ периода расцвета скандала под названием "Мабетекс". Помните?
В этой весьма откровенной бумаге, именуемой "Разрешением № 1972 от 2.08.1995", говорится следующее:
"Министерство финансов РФ разрешает перечислить... двадцать три миллиона шестьсот пять тысяч восемьсот
девяносто долларов на оплату оборудования и выполнения комплекса работ по реконструкции Московского
Кремля, производимого фирмой "Мабетекс" (Швейцария). Внешторгбанку РФ перечисления рублевого покрытия
не контролировать".
Вот такое знатное разрешение было выдано Минфином России, и почти 24 миллиона долларов утекло
скандально известному "Мабетексу", но при этом никакого рублевого покрытия в российский бюджет не
поступило. Письмо подписали замминистра финансов А. Головатый и казначей В. Волков. Но, как мне стало
известно, на этом документе Головатый всего лишь поставил свою закорючку, а подлинным автором индульгенции
был не кто иной, как нынешний первый вице-премьер Михаил Касьянов. Именно Михаил Михайлович в 1995
году являлся заместителем министра финансов и единолично ведал всеми валютными операциями Минфина
РФ и соответственно всеми проплатами по "Мабетексу". Ну а конкретно это разрешение на оплату услуг
господина Пакколи оформлял и готовил лично Касьянов, и в архиве Минфина имеются документы по этим
24 миллионам за подписью нынешнего первого вице-премьера. По информации нашего источника, работавшего
в 1995-1996 годах в ближайшем окружении Касьянова, все финансовые расчеты с "Мабетексом", "Меркатой"
и другими компаниями, "уводившими" бюджетные деньги через управление делами президента, готовились
лично Михаилом Касьяновым. И, кстати, в уголовном деле по "Мабетексу", которое ведет швейцарская
прокуратура кантона Женева, имеются еще три таких же разрешения на оплату по 20 миллионов долларов
каждое. И к каждому из них самое прямое отношение имел Касьянов, а на многих документах, подшитых
в том же уголовном деле, присутствует аккуратный росчерк нынешнего первого вице-премьера.
Касьянов и долги
Есть такое понятие, как коммерческие долги государства. Сейчас много говорят и пишут о том, что
Россия должна миллиарды различным странам, фондам и фирмам. И вот как раз этими долгами последние
четыре года и ведает не кто иной, как Михаил Касьянов. Тут-то и начинает действовать уникальная схема
игры, придуманная Касьяновым и его ближайшим партнером Александром Мамутом. Суть в следующем.
Долг России какой-либо фирме или фонду составляет, предположим, сотни миллионов долларов. Касьянов
на международном уровне сообщает, что мы не можем вернуть долг, и тут же банки, "аффилиированные"
с господином Мамутом (МДМ-Банк, Собинбанк и другие), скупают за бесценок российские долговые обязательства,
платя за них примерно 25-30 процентов стоимости. Как известно, отчаявшийся кредитор зачастую идет
на все, лишь бы получить хоть часть долга.
А в обязанности Михаила Касьянова последние годы входит составление списка первоочередных долгов
России, которые нужно срочно погашать. Эта бумага впоследствии ложится на стол премьер-министру.
И вот тут-то в "ежемесячный список Касьянова" в обязательном порядке попадают те долги, которые приобрел
господин Мамут. И государство выплачивает компаньону Касьянова практически полную сумму долга. И
разница в размере 60-70 процентов остается в структурах Мамута. Далее мамутовско-касьяновские деньги
перечисляются в дочерние компании, принадлежащие компаньонам, а оттуда миллионы долларов уходят через
корсчета то в "Бэнк оф Нью-Йорк", то в оффшорные зоны.
О масштабе сумм, проходящих через схему Касьянова - Мамута, свидетельствует ряд документов. Приведем
один из них. Перед нами - платежное поручение, в котором "Компания проектного финансирования", принадлежащая
Мамуту, перечисляет двенадцать миллионов долларов США через "Бэнк оф Нью-Йорк" в оффшорную фирму,
зарегистрированную на Барбадосе. Документ датирован 18 апреля 1996 года. Незадолго до этого Россия
погасила целый ряд долгов крупным западным табачным компаниям. И, кстати, именно в то время заместителем
министра финансов, курирующим внешние коммерческие долги и выплаты по ним, был... Михаил Касьянов.
Но, как свидетельствуют очевидцы, приведенная нами сумма в 12 миллионов долларов - это лишь маленькая
часть денег, "прокрученных" дуэтом Касьянов - Мамут.
Касьянов и кредит
Помните 1998 год - то сладкое время, когда МВФ еще давал России большие кредиты? Именно тогда
наше отечество получило очередной кредит в размере 4 миллиарда 800 миллионов долларов на стабилизацию
курса рубля. Эти немалые деньги поступили на счет Минфина в федеральном резерве Центробанка. После
чего Михаил Касьянов распорядился перевести миллиарды на зарубежные корсчета уполномоченных банков
(СБС-Агро, Менатеп, Инком, Объединенный банк и проч.) для того, чтобы эти банки перечислили в российский
бюджет рубли на эквивалентную сумму и тем самым стабилизировали отечественную валюту. Так думали
различные чиновники, включая и МВФ. Но Касьянов наверняка так не думал, являясь организатором и мозговым
центром всей этой операции.
А суть в том, что банки, получив 4 миллиарда долларов, вместо живых рублей вручили любимому государству
гособлигации ГКО и ОФЗ, которые к тому времени превратились в никчемные бумажки и могли использоваться
только в качестве обоев. И тут же все крупные банки, провернувшие аферу с кредитом МВФ, начали моментально
банкротиться, переводя капиталы в свои более мелкие структуры. Помните: сначала Инком, потом СБС-Агро...
То есть никто в обиде не остался - разумеется, кроме российского бюджета и "лохов" из МВФ.
И еще один не менее увлекательный эпизод из истории с кредитом МВФ. В 1998 году большинство российских
банков, получивших кредитные деньги, держали свои зарубежные корсчета в "Нейшнл Рипаблик Бэнк оф
Нью-Йорк", владельцем которого был ныне покойный банкир-миллионер Эдмон Сафра. Так вот, Сафра, будучи
человеком неглупым, увидел, что через его банк российскими банкирами и Минфином прокручивается многомиллиардная
афера. Наивный бизнесмен пожелал сообщить в ФБР о том, куда делся кредит МВФ. И вот тут-то у Сафры
и случились неприятности. А начались они с того момента, как к нему на Лазурный Берег летом 1999
года прибыл некий эмиссар российских финансистов по имени Борис Березовский, который, кстати, является
хозяином Объединенного банка - одного из тех, что получили кредитные деньги. О чем беседовали Березовский
и Сафра, остается тайной за семью печатями. Известно только, что после разговора Сафра в срочном
порядке переехал в свою резиденцию в Монако, где имелись усиленная охрана и даже бункер на случай
ядерной войны. Но перепуганному банкиру не помогла надежная охрана - через три месяца он был убит...
Я, конечно, не утверждаю, что в гибели Сафры, пожелавшего раскрыть ФБР историю аферы с кредитом,
виновны Березовский или Касьянов, который к тому времени уже поднялся до уровня министра финансов
России. Но уж очень много странных совпадений!
Перед вами - лишь три истории из жизни второго человека в Российском государстве Михаила Михайловича
Касьянова. Но на этом наше расследование жизненного пути первого вице-премьера не заканчивается.
Продолжение следует.
Олег ЛУРЬЕ
28.02.2000".
PS . Надеюсь, что коллеги не станут в срочном порядке чистить свои архивы, где упоминается имя
"видного оппозиционера" Михаила Касьянова.
Looks like Russian oil minister decided to play the role of a regular supply and demand jerk, may
be intentionally. Generally Russians unlike Chinese's behaved like idiots in this situation. Inread
of building state petroleum reserves like Chinese did and later selling oil later at reasonable prices
they continued to dump the oil on market helping Saudis to crash the price. Russia is still buying US
treasures instead as if oil is not as reliable as currency. Russia is the only major country that does
not have strategic oil reserves.
Alexander Novak mostly sounded like a regular member of the neoliberal cosmopolitan elite not as
a Russian oil minister who is interested in well-being of Russian citizens. As Soros aptly mentioned
such people have more in common with Wall Street financial oligarchs that with interests
of their own country.
Whether this was intentional of this is a his assumed position for Die Welt I do no know.
Notable quotes:
"... Given the pricing environment we expect in 2016 further reductions of 15-40%. Thus, this year 30 largest companies in the world can cut $200 billion from capex budgets . At the same time, we see that rise in in the price of the credit for oil producers in the US hinders their access to financial markets. ..."
"... On a global scale in the short term, these effects will be minimal. However, in the medium and long term they will be dramatic, because many of the cancelled projects were important for stability of oil supply from the point of view of growing global demand, have been postponed or frozen. So we can assumed that after 2020 a stable supply of oil is under threat. In this regard, Russia seeks to remain a stable supplier of oil globally. ..."
24.02.2016 | Die Welt/InoSMI
Russia is suffering from extremely low oil prices. Energy Minister Alexander Novak warned us
against the dramatic consequences of falling oil prices for the entire world. After the oversupply
of oil, according to him, a severe deficit is coming.
Die Welt: You have agreed with the oil Minister of Saudi Arabia on the limitation of oil
production. At first the market reacted to the results of your negotiations negativity and oil prices
continued to fall. What, in general, gives us this arrangement?
Alexander Novak: I Think our meeting with the colleagues from Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Venezuela
were very productive. The main result was a preliminary agreement on limiting oil production in 2016
at the level of January of this year. The final decision will be made when this initiative will join
most other oil producers. In our view, this approach would gradually reduce the oversupply and stabilize
prices at a level that will ensure the stability of the industry in the long term.
- Let's assume that others will agree with this. However, experts believe that price stabilization
is necessary not just freeze, and a reduction in oil production.
- Such proposals are periodically received. But we think that this may soon lead to an abrupt
artificial increase in prices. Because such a rise in prices entails the inflow of speculative
money into capital-intensive projects, for example, in the production of shale oil that, in turn,
will lead to rapid increase of oil production and as a result another round of oil prices fall. Of
crucial importance is the level of prices at which US shale oil is unprofitable. If the oil price
moved higher higher, we will again be faced with the effect of plummeting oil prices. That is why
we need mutual consultation in order better to access the current supply and demand situation.
- But the decline in prices over the last 18 months ago is already having a serious negative
impact on producers with higher costs.
- Yes, albeit slower than expected. This is a change from previous oil price cycles, when only
the oil exporting countries influenced the market by voluntarily reducing the production. But after
the invention of the technology for shale gas extraction in 2009, the situation has changed.
- So you agree with the International energy Agency, believes that in 2016, contrary to expectations,
oil prices stabilize?
- In general yes. Because when in mid-2014 oil prices began to decline, many thought that soon
shale oil will fall prey of it. However, this did not happen. We can see that the price at around
$100 per barrel was too high, but shale oil companies for more then a year managed to withstood the
falling oil prices and continue oil extraction is volumes comparable with the volume at peak.
Demand and supply grow equally, and the gap between them did not became smaller. That's why in 2016
everyone is adjusting their predictions about the end of low oil prices regime.
Limited access to funding by high cost producers and delay in implementation of capital intensive
projects will play a role in the alignment of supply and demand in the market and the volume of oil
production outside OPEC, primarily in North America, will be reduced. For example, in the US, the
number of drilling rigs already has declined by two-thirds.
- Not only in the United States. All the world's leading oil companies reduced their investment
programs by 10-35%. What reductions we can expect in 2016?
- Given the pricing environment we expect in 2016 further reductions of 15-40%. Thus, this
year 30 largest companies in the world can cut $200 billion from capex budgets . At the same time,
we see that rise in in the price of the credit for oil producers in the US hinders their access to
financial markets.
- What can be the consequences of reducing investments in the foreseeable future?
- On a global scale in the short term, these effects will be minimal. However, in the medium
and long term they will be dramatic, because many of the cancelled projects were important
for stability of oil supply from the point of view of growing global demand, have been postponed
or frozen. So we can assumed that after 2020 a stable supply of oil is under threat. In this regard,
Russia seeks to remain a stable supplier of oil globally.
- Can Russia to help stabilize prices, "selling" to OPEC and other major producers the
idea to reduce production?
- We haven't made exact calculations. For Russia, this is a difficult question due to the technological
aspects of oil extraction, the current state of the projects under construction and climatic conditions.
You can understand our situation from a simple fact: Russia has more than 170 thousand wells, and
to reduce their number very difficult. And in the middle East much less wells: Saudi Arabia produces
the same amount of oil as we do, with only 3500 wells. In addition, our oil companies are independent
joint-stock companies which are independently planning the level of their own production.
- The head of the second largest Russian oil company LUKOIL Vagit Alekperov said recently that
the Russian oil sector is most afraid that the government will change tax rules for him.
- I share the opinion of the head of the Lukoil concern. We needs a stable tax system. Oil prices,
along with the ruble and so fell and to this created for oil companies the problems of financing
of the oil extraction. If in addition we change the rules of taxation, the future would
become impossible to predict and the companies would be unable to plan their activities for more
then one year. We in the last two years had introduced some tax breaks which should encourage the
production at new fields in Eastern Siberia and the far East. Their effect is already noticeable:
in 2015, we got from those fields additional 60 million tons.
- And in the Arctic region?
- This region now is off-limit due to the costs. But the investments in the extraction of Okhotsk
and Caspian seas have risen because they are attractive from the point of view of taxation. In the
long run we are - regardless of the dynamics of oil prices - will have to change the tax system.
Together with the Ministry of Finance we will develop in the course of this year proposals.
- Russia, as you know, is struggling with declining production in current fields. If the investment
will be reduced, won't this mean that in 2017 the volume of oil production will fail?
- Much will depend on the situation with oil prices and the ruble exchange rate. All our major
companies confirm that they will be able to maintain production at the current fields at the current
level. However, at the current oil prices, investment in new projects will be reduced - at least
by 20-30%.
- In the medium to long term additional load on unconventional and expensive projects will
fall and Western sanctions. How noticeable the effect of them now?
- Impact on overall production is extremely small. In the last two years we have extracted from
these "difficult" fields were we do need western technology just 18 million tons, or around
3% of our total production. The growth of their share is a matter of the future.
- However, without the Western technologies to achieve it will be difficult.
- I expect the opposite effect. Since our companies cannot cooperate with the West in this
area, they had to do this work independently and to develop new technologies in Russia.
- Let me get this straight: in the next few years Russia can't eliminate technological handicap
with the West. This will not work.
At least, we achieve our goals. In three years we seriously upgraded the level of our current
technology. Professionals, scientific and practical basis of all that we have. Many companies are
working on it.
- As for the gas sector, the European Commission seeks to obtain access to all of the gas contracts.
What is that in your shows?
- It's hard for me to comment on it. We believe that commercial contracts are a matter between
the two companies.
- Are you concerned about the behaviour of the EU?
- European authorities want the contract on deliveries was coordinated by the European Commission.
However, many countries disagree. Much will depend on them.
- Differences between the EU and Gazprom have a long tradition. For a long time Gazprom attitude
to the EU's was aggressive and disrespectful. Now his tone was softer. How do you evaluate the bilateral
relations at the moment?
- We believe that Russia is a reliable supplier and that the relationship is beneficial to both
parties. Thus the entire current infrastructure was created. Now, however, we have to expand
it taking into account the fact that production in Europe will decrease and demand will increase.
But differences remain. Can we call the position of Europe a constructive policy ?
- Political aspects now take precedence over the economic aspect of natural gas and oil supplies.
So, for political reasons the project "South stream" was blocked . For political reasons, there
are attempts to prevent the expansion of Nord stream. It is obvious that the construction of the
first two lines of the "Nord stream" conformed to European legal norms. However, the attitude
to the two new branches is different. In addition, we see that in the new energy strategy of the
EU does n mention relations with Russia. How can this be considering the fact that we are the main
supplier of energy to EU? We hope, however, that pragmatism will prevail. We need to develop relations
based on mutual interests, guarantees and long-term prospects.
- I can assume that you are counting on the support of Germany to expand the "Nord stream".
- We presume that we are talking, primarily, about economic project. Major energy companies of
Europe are interested in him. Because this is a long term project. And we will compete with other
suppliers of natural and liquefied gas, which is the rate now.
It has been an historic week for the US energy market, as hot on the heels of US oil exports is the
first US LNG export cargo – leaving
from the Sabine Pass terminal. Yet while this is viewed as a game-changer for the US – as it
can now truly live up to its moniker as 'the Saudi Arabia of natural gas' – exports could
be just as big a game-changer for parts of Europe.
By reducing its reliance upon Russia, Europe
will not only see benefits from a pricing perspective, but it will also help limit the political
power that Russia holds over many countries. The chart below starkly illustrates Russia's dominance
in Europe, with a number of countries leaning on it for the majority of its gas needs.
In total, Russia supplies a third of Europe's natural gas. Nonetheless, some estimates suggest
that the US could
catch up with Russia within a decade in terms of exports into Europe. Estimates also suggest
that US exports could drop European LNG prices by 25% over the next two years. This benefit would
be widespread across the continent; Germany relies on Russia for half of its gas needs, Italy for
a third, while countries such as Bulgaria lean on Russia for the vast majority of its supplies.
Moderate Syrian rebels should be supplied with surface-to-air missiles to defend against air strikes,
Germany weekly Der Spiegel quoted Saudi Foreign Minister Adel al-Jubeir as saying.
The rebels are under attack from both the Syrian air force and Russian strikes. Jubeir said providing
them with the rockets would "enable the moderate opposition to neutralize the regime's helicopters
and planes".
Al-Jubeir repeated his calls for Syrian president Bashar al-Assad to step down in order to enable
a political solution to the five-year-long war.
"The other option is that the war goes on and Assad is being defeated," al-Jubeir said.
At least 250,000 people have been killed, 11 million made homeless and hundreds of thousands have
fled to Europe since the conflict began in 2011.
Riyadh was still ready to support the U.S.-led coalition against the militant group Islamic State
(IS) with special forces on the ground, he said.
Al-Jubeir rejected any similarities between the Islamist extremist group and Saudi-Arabia's national,
conservative interpretation of Islam, the Wahhabism.
"IS is about as Islamic as the Ku-Klux-Klan is Christian," al-Jubeir said.
"... And as I commented on another post, a couple of years ago Citi Research put the gross decline rate from existing US gas production at about 24%/year. This would be the rate of decline in the absence of new wells. Note that Louisiana showed a 20%/year net rate of decline in total marketed gas production from 2012 to 2014 (this was the net rate of decline after new wells were put on line). So, the Louisiana case history would seem to confirm the CIti estimate. ..."
"... The estimated volumetric loss of US gas production from existing wells, about 17 BCF/day per year, matches or exceeds the 2014 annual dry gas production of every country in the world, except for the US Russia (2014 BP data). ..."
Oilpro.com had an article about the EU importing LNG from the US and Australia, in order to reduce
their reliance on Russian gas. My response:
Based on production and consumption data through 2014 (BP), and ignoring changes in storage
volumes, in 2014 Russia had net natural gas exports of 16 BCF/day, Australia had net natural gas
exports of 2.5 BCF/day and the US had net natural gas imports of 3 BCF/day. So, as of 2014 anyway,
combined net natural gas exports from the US + Australia would be approximately zero.
And as I commented on another post, a couple of years ago Citi Research put the gross decline
rate from existing US gas production at about 24%/year. This would be the rate of decline in the
absence of new wells. Note that Louisiana showed a 20%/year net rate of decline in total marketed
gas production from 2012 to 2014 (this was the net rate of decline after new wells were put on
line). So, the Louisiana case history would seem to confirm the CIti estimate.
The estimated volumetric loss of US gas production from existing wells, about 17 BCF/day
per year, matches or exceeds the 2014 annual dry gas production of every country in the world,
except for the US & Russia (2014 BP data).
So, while the Marcellus/Utica Play has some very impressive wells, in round numbers it seems
likely that we need the productive equivalent of a new Marcellus Play every year, or the productive
equivalent of all of Qatar's gas production every year, just to offset the declines from existing
US wells–as the overall US rig count has declined about 70% from the rig counts we have seen in
recent years.
While we would be the first
to admit that Jeffrey Sachs was the godfather of "shock therapy" (aka "the economic rape of Russia"
and several other xUSSR republics), he is right as for the ongoing Syria bloodbath which has come to
define the geopolitical situation for the past 3 years. And how this is an event that would "surely
rival Watergate in shaking the foundations of the US establishment" if the truth were fully known, we
agree 100 percent.
Notable quotes:
"... Clinton bears heavy responsibility for that carnage, which has by now displaced more than 10 million Syrians and left more than 250,000 dead. ..."
"... As every knowledgeable observer understands, the Syrian War is not mostly about Bashar al-Assad, or even about Syria itself. It is mostly a proxy war, about Iran. And the bloodbath is doubly tragic and misguided for that reason. ..."
"... Saudi Arabia and Turkey, the leading Sunni powers in the Middle East, view Iran, the leading Shia power, as a regional rival for power and influence. Right-wing Israelis view Iran as an implacable foe that controls Hezbollah, a Shi'a militant group operating in Lebanon, a border state of Israel. Thus, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Israel have all clamored to remove Iran's influence in Syria. ..."
"... And Israeli right-wingers are naïve, and deeply ignorant of history, to regard Iran as their implacable foe, especially when that mistaken view pushes Israel to side with Sunni jihadists. ..."
"... Yet Clinton did not pursue that route. Instead she joined Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and right-wing Israelis to try to isolate, even defeat, Iran. In 2010, she supported secret negotiations between Israel and Syria to attempt to wrest Syria from Iran's influence. Those talks failed. Then the CIA and Clinton pressed successfully for Plan B: to overthrow Assad. ..."
"... When the unrest of the Arab Spring broke out in early 2011, the CIA and the anti-Iran front of Israel, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey saw an opportunity to topple Assad quickly and thereby to gain a geopolitical victory. Clinton became the leading proponent of the CIA-led effort at Syrian regime change. ..."
"... Clinton has been much more than a bit player in the Syrian crisis. Her diplomat Ambassador Christopher Stevens in Benghazi was killed as he was running a CIA operation to ship Libyan heavy weapons to Syria. Clinton herself took the lead role in organizing the so-called "Friends of Syria" to back the CIA-led insurgency. ..."
"... This instrument of U.S. foreign policy has not only been in stark violation of international law but has also been a massive and repeated failure. Rather than a single, quick, and decisive coup d'état resolving a US foreign policy problem, each CIA-led regime change has been, almost inevitably, a prelude to a bloodbath. How could it be otherwise? Other societies don't like their countries to be manipulated by U.S. covert operations. ..."
"... And where is the establishment media in this debacle? The New York Times finally covered a bit of this story last month in describing the CIA-Saudi connection , in which Saudi funds are used to pay for CIA operations in order to make an end-run around Congress and the American people. The story ran once and was dropped. Yet the Saudi funding of CIA operations is the same basic tactic used by Ronald Reagan and Oliver North in the Iran-Contra scandal of the 1980s (with Iranian arms sales used to fund CIA-led covert operations in Central America without consent or oversight by the American people). ..."
"... Clinton herself has never shown the least reservation or scruples in deploying this instrument of U.S. foreign policy. Her record of avid support for US-led regime change includes (but is not limited to) the US bombing of Belgrade in 1999, the invasion of Afghanistan in 2001, the Iraq War in 2003, the Honduran coup in 2009, the killing of Libya's Muammar Qaddafi in 2011, and the CIA-coordinated insurrection against Assad from 2011 until today. ..."
"... Many historians believe that JFK was assassinated as a result of his peace overtures to the Soviet Union, overture he made against the objections of hardline rightwing opposition in the CIA and other parts of the U.S. government. ..."
"... Hillary Clinton has never shown an iota of bravery, or even of comprehension, in facing down the CIA She has been the CIA's relentless supporter, and has exulted in showing her toughness by supporting every one of its misguided operations. The failures, of course, are relentlessly hidden from view. Clinton is a danger to global peace. She has much to answer for regarding the disaster in Syria. ..."
"... She is totally unqualified, a disaster of a secretary of state, has incredibly poor judgement is a terrible candidate and should never be allowed to serve in any government capacity - EVER. ..."
"... Well said. Hillary is a warmonger neocon just like Bush/McCain/Graham/Cheney. Trump and Bernie are not. ..."
"... Pundits do not realize when they heap praises at Hillary Clinton's debate performances that ordinary people watching cannot get past her lack of trustworthiness and her dishonesty; and that whatever she says is viewed in that context and is therefore worthless. ..."
"... It's dismaying that the blowback from the 1953 CIA-assisted overthrow of Mossadegh is still behind the instability of the Middle East, and that we have continued to commit the same mistakes over and over. Can't we just get rid of this agency? ..."
"... The CIA repeated this stunt in Vietnam 10 years after the Mossadegh mess and have been doing it at least once every decade since then. In every case, it has been a failure. How supporting that nonsense is seen as foreign policy experience, I'll never know. ..."
"... Hillary helped facilitate the arming of terrorists in Syria in 2010 and 2011. She as far as I al concerned, Hillary supported the deaths of Syrians and terrorism. So why on earth would I want her to be president? Hello? ..."
"... More like a continuance of a disaster deferred. Thanks to John Kerry cleaning up the mess of her disastrous term as SoS. Syria is still a mess, but he has been working his butt off to be every bit of diplomat that Hillary was not. ..."
"... she was for an all out invasion by the USA into Syria to remove Assad. She, John McCain, and Linsey Graham had to settle for just arming the Al Queda and IS for the time being. ..."
"... Clinton, Obama, Bush, etc DC corruption used to bring down regimes that have continually destabilized America & the world. ..."
"... Where & Why was Obama & Holder not as directly held accountable in this discussion. Trump rightfully points that Americans have died for nothing yet the villains who are the catalysts of these atrocities still have jobs & stature in US. America needs to be rebooted once again & bring in leadership not buoyed by greed. power & indifference of those before him. ..."
"... The problem here really is the fact that Americans bitch and don't vote every election and this has let money just walk in and buy more influence, you want a real revolution, ..."
"... That is about it, Clinton is a repub in dem clothing and the US is the biggest threat to world peace when it can not get its way in another countries politics or to get them to follow the US master plan that mainly supports the US's goal. ..."
"... what makes her so maddeningly hawkish? what credentials she has that her peace-loving supporters believe that she can lead the US/world for peace? wake-up, and let's get united behind bernie. ..."
"... They believe the mythology that if women ruled the world it would be a better place...I beg to differ....Margaret Thatcher, Catherine the Great, Elizabeth I were not exactly peace lovers... ..."
"... years ago I was shocked to see that there were women members of the KKK. So much for women by their gender alone saving the world. ..."
"... But let us not forget Hillary Clinton's "regime change" record in Ukraine with Victoria "Fuc# the E.U.!" Nuland, wife of Neocon Robert Kagan and an Under Secretary of Hillary Clinton's at The State Department. ..."
"... Hillary Clinton's fingerprints are all over Ukraine: ..."
"... Yes, Somehow the so-called MSM refuses to expose the continuing debacle of our worldwide acts of Terrorism! The failure after failure of "our" military establishment such as targeted assassinations ..."
"... Further it is American war industry in partnership with our military that is arming the world with military grade weapon systems, tons and tons of munitions, and training to use them for such terror weapons as IEDs. It is MSM control by the establishment that enables the failures of Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, Obama, Clinton to treat horrendous failures as successes! ..."
"... Hillary Clinton supporters don't care, they don't care that she could be a felon nor do they care she is owned by Wall Street and many other corporate special interest, they just don't care. ..."
"... Up here in New Hampshire, we soundly rejected untrustworthy, dishonest, disingenuous and corrupt Hillary, we just wish the rest of the nation had as much time to get to know the candidates as we had up here! ..."
In the
Milwaukee debate, Hillary Clinton took pride in her role in a recent UN Security Council resolution
on a Syrian ceasefire:
But I would add this. You know, the Security Council finally got around to adopting a resolution.
At the core of that resolution is an agreement I negotiated in June of 2012 in Geneva, which set
forth a cease-fire and moving toward a political resolution, trying to bring the parties at stake
in Syria together.
This is the kind of compulsive misrepresentation that makes Clinton unfit to be President. Clinton's
role in Syria has been to help instigate and prolong the Syrian bloodbath, not to bring it to a close.
In 2012, Clinton was the obstacle, not the solution, to a ceasefire being negotiated by UN Special
Envoy Kofi Annan. It was US intransigence - Clinton's intransigence - that led to the failure of
Annan's peace efforts in the spring of 2012, a point well known among diplomats. Despite Clinton's
insinuation in the Milwaukee debate, there was (of course) no 2012 ceasefire, only escalating carnage.
Clinton bears heavy responsibility for that carnage, which has by now displaced more than 10
million Syrians and left more than 250,000 dead.
As every knowledgeable observer understands, the Syrian War is not mostly about Bashar al-Assad,
or even about Syria itself. It is mostly a proxy war, about Iran. And the bloodbath is doubly tragic
and misguided for that reason.
Saudi Arabia and Turkey, the leading Sunni powers in the Middle East, view Iran, the leading
Shia power, as a regional rival for power and influence. Right-wing Israelis view Iran as an implacable
foe that controls Hezbollah, a Shi'a militant group operating in Lebanon, a border state of Israel.
Thus, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Israel have all clamored to remove Iran's influence in Syria.
This idea is incredibly naïve. Iran has been around as a regional power for a long time--in fact,
for about 2,700 years. And Shia Islam is not going away. There is no way, and no reason, to "defeat"
Iran. The regional powers need to forge a geopolitical equilibrium that recognizes the mutual and
balancing roles of the Gulf Arabs, Turkey, and Iran. And Israeli right-wingers are naïve, and
deeply ignorant of history, to regard Iran as their implacable foe, especially when that mistaken
view pushes Israel to side with Sunni jihadists.
Yet Clinton did not pursue that route. Instead she joined Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and right-wing
Israelis to try to isolate, even defeat, Iran. In 2010, she supported secret negotiations between
Israel and Syria
to attempt to wrest Syria from Iran's influence. Those talks failed. Then the CIA and Clinton
pressed successfully for Plan B: to overthrow Assad.
When the unrest of the Arab Spring broke out in early 2011, the CIA and the anti-Iran front
of Israel, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey saw an opportunity to topple Assad quickly and thereby to gain
a geopolitical victory. Clinton became the leading proponent of the CIA-led effort at Syrian regime
change.
In early 2011, Turkey and Saudi Arabia leveraged local protests against Assad to try to foment
conditions for his ouster. By the spring of 2011, the CIA and the US allies were organizing an armed
insurrection against the regime. On August 18, 2011, the US Government
made public
its position: "Assad must go."
Since then and until the
recent fragile UN Security Council accord, the US has refused to agree to any ceasefire unless
Assad is first deposed. The US policy--under Clinton and until recently--has been: regime change
first, ceasefire after. After all, it's only Syrians who are dying. Annan's peace efforts were sunk
by the United States' unbending insistence that U.S.-led regime change must precede or at least accompany
a ceasefire. As the
Nation editors
put it in August 2012:
The US demand that Assad be removed and sanctions be imposed before negotiations could seriously
begin, along with the refusal to include Iran in the process, doomed [Annan's] mission.
The U.S. policy was a massive, horrific failure. Assad did not go, and was not defeated. Russia
came to his support. Iran came to his support. The mercenaries sent in to overthrow him were themselves
radical jihadists with their own agendas. The chaos opened the way for the Islamic State, building
on disaffected Iraqi Army leaders (deposed by the US in 2003), on captured U.S. weaponry, and on
the considerable backing by Saudi funds. If the truth were fully known, the multiple scandals
involved would surely rival Watergate in shaking the foundations of the US establishment.
The hubris of the United States in this approach seems to know no bounds. The tactic of CIA-led
regime change is so deeply enmeshed as a "normal" instrument of U.S. foreign policy that it is hardly
noticed by the U.S. public or media. Overthrowing another government is against the U.N. charter
and international law. But what are such niceties among friends?
This instrument of U.S. foreign policy has not only been in stark violation of international
law but has also been a massive and repeated failure. Rather than a single, quick, and decisive coup
d'état resolving a US foreign policy problem, each CIA-led regime change has been, almost inevitably,
a prelude to a bloodbath. How could it be otherwise? Other societies don't like their countries to
be manipulated by U.S. covert operations.
Removing a leader, even if done "successfully," doesn't solve any underlying geopolitical problems,
much less ecological, social, or economic ones. A coup d'etat invites a civil war, the kind that
now wracks Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and Syria. It invites a hostile international response, such
as Russia's backing of its Syrian ally in the face of the CIA-led operations. The record of misery
caused by covert CIA operations literally fills volumes at this point. What surprise, then, the Clinton
acknowledges Henry Kissinger as a mentor and guide?
And where is the establishment media in this debacle? The New York Times finally covered a
bit of this story last month in
describing the CIA-Saudi connection, in which Saudi funds are used to pay for CIA operations
in order to make an end-run around Congress and the American people. The story ran once and was dropped.
Yet the Saudi funding of CIA operations is the same basic tactic used by Ronald Reagan and Oliver
North in the Iran-Contra scandal of the 1980s (with Iranian arms sales used to fund CIA-led covert
operations in Central America without consent or oversight by the American people).
Clinton herself has never shown the least reservation or scruples in deploying this instrument
of U.S. foreign policy. Her record of avid support for US-led regime change includes (but is not
limited to) the US bombing of Belgrade in 1999, the invasion of Afghanistan in 2001, the Iraq War
in 2003, the Honduran coup in 2009, the killing of Libya's Muammar Qaddafi in 2011, and the CIA-coordinated
insurrection against Assad from 2011 until today.
It takes great presidential leadership to resist CIA misadventures. Presidents get along by going
along with arms contractors, generals, and CIA operatives. They thereby also protect themselves from
political attack by hardline right-wingers. They succeed by exulting in U.S. military might, not
restraining it. Many historians believe that JFK was assassinated as a result of his peace overtures
to the Soviet Union, overture he made against the objections of hardline rightwing opposition in
the CIA and other parts of the U.S. government.
Hillary Clinton has never shown an iota of bravery, or even of comprehension, in facing down
the CIA She has been the CIA's relentless supporter, and has exulted in showing her toughness by
supporting every one of its misguided operations. The failures, of course, are relentlessly hidden
from view. Clinton is a danger to global peace. She has much to answer for regarding the disaster
in Syria.
The people of the United States do not want that woman, Hillary Rodham Clinton to have relations
with the people of the United States. She is totally unqualified, a disaster of a secretary
of state, has incredibly poor judgement is a terrible candidate and should never be allowed to
serve in any government capacity - EVER.
Simple equation....war=money=power. Perpetual warfare is the post 911 gold rush and every establishment
politician in every country is the snake oil salesman pushing this through. The people on the
top make money and the rest of us get killed and go broke.
Max South
Not only the root cause, but also to-ols are important: now Western media/StateDep try depict
what happens in Syria as sectarian, all while majority of both Syrian army and government are
Sunni (even Assad's wife is Sunni) -- secular ones.
Syrian government is only hope for them, as well as for Christians, Kurds and all other ethnic
and religious minorities that fight against Wahhabi/Salafist jihadists.
Sanders' platform is expansive and IMO he has provided the most detail on how he will get things
done, which anyone can find out with a bit of investigation (http://berniesanders.com/issues/).
But all of it doesn't matter since you can't predict how events will unfold. In this regard, I
trust Sanders more than anyone else to decide what is best for all people in the the country (and
even the world). I personally will do well with anyone but I think Sanders is looking out for
the average person more than anyone else.
Pundits do not realize when they heap praises at Hillary Clinton's debate performances that
ordinary people watching cannot get past her lack of trustworthiness and her dishonesty; and that
whatever she says is viewed in that context and is therefore worthless.
It's dismaying that the blowback from the 1953 CIA-assisted overthrow of Mossadegh is still behind
the instability of the Middle East, and that we have continued to commit the same mistakes over
and over. Can't we just get rid of this agency?
Bijan Sharifi
as an iranian-american (and veteran), i appreciate sen sanders bringing this up in the debate.
Bijan Sharifi Indeed. The CIA repeated this stunt in Vietnam 10 years after the Mossadegh mess
and have been doing it at least once every decade since then. In every case, it has been a failure.
How supporting that nonsense is seen as foreign policy experience, I'll never know.
Hillary helped facilitate the arming of terrorists in Syria in 2010 and 2011. She as far as I
al concerned, Hillary supported the deaths of Syrians and terrorism. So why on earth would I want
her to be president? Hello?
More like a continuance of a disaster deferred. Thanks to John Kerry cleaning up the mess of her
disastrous term as SoS. Syria is still a mess, but he has been working his butt off to be every bit of diplomat that
Hillary was not. As soon as she returns to office expect more of her warfare first and diplomacy 'meh'.
Gary Pack
Ignacio, she was for an all out invasion by the USA into Syria to remove Assad. She, John McCain,
and Linsey Graham had to settle for just arming the Al Queda and IS for the time being.
This is what Trump has been alluding to in re Clinton, Obama, Bush, etc DC corruption used to
bring down regimes that have continually destabilized America & the world.
Where & Why was Obama
& Holder not as directly held accountable in this discussion. Trump rightfully points that Americans
have died for nothing yet the villains who are the catalysts of these atrocities still have jobs
& stature in US. America needs to be rebooted once again & bring in leadership not buoyed by greed.
power & indifference of those before him.
James Elliott cheerleading will not get anything done, I don't think Bernie understands how to
get things done in our system, reality is 40 years of bad will not be fixed in even 4 years.
The problem here really is the fact that Americans bitch and don't vote every election
and this has let money just walk in and buy more influence, you want a real revolution,
vote every election you are alive and you will let your children and their children a better
life.
Harvey Riggs
That is about it, Clinton is a repub in dem clothing and the US is the biggest threat to world
peace when it can not get its way in another countries politics or to get them to follow the US
master plan that mainly supports the US's goal.
More messes in this world has been started with covert means in order to get what we want and
millions upon milllions are suffering and the rest of the world countries 1'%ers who run those
countries are scared to stand up aguinst the US and lose that under the table support.
what makes her so maddeningly hawkish? what credentials she has that her peace-loving supporters
believe that she can lead the US/world for peace? wake-up, and let's get united behind bernie.
They believe the mythology that if women ruled the world it would be a better place...I beg to
differ....Margaret Thatcher, Catherine the Great, Elizabeth I were not exactly peace lovers...
Additionally, years ago I was shocked to see that there were women members of the KKK. So much
for women by their gender alone saving the world.
Sheila Rajan
Looking at the various misguided US excursions over the past 2 decades from outside of America,
this comes as no surprise. Clinton's deep involvement in these venal adventures comes as no surprise
either. Bill Clinton may have been adored in liberal America, but he was NOT, outside of your
borders. To us he appeared as just another one in a long line of Presidents under the sway of
the arms manufacturers, CIA, banks and financiers. Hillary Clinton is just an offshoot.
But let us not forget Hillary Clinton's "regime change" record in Ukraine
with Victoria "Fuc# the E.U.!" Nuland, wife of Neocon Robert Kagan and an Under Secretary of Hillary
Clinton's at The State Department.
Hillary Clinton's fingerprints are all over Ukraine:
Yes, Somehow the so-called MSM refuses to expose the continuing debacle of our worldwide acts
of Terrorism! The failure after failure of "our" military establishment such as targeted assassinations
as an official policy using drones, black ops, spec ops, military "contractors", hired mercenaries,
war lord militias and the like; the illegal and immoral acts of war cloaked in the Israeli framed
rubric of "national defense".
Further it is American war industry in partnership with our military that is arming the
world with military grade weapon systems, tons and tons of munitions, and training to use them
for such terror weapons as IEDs. It is MSM control by the establishment that enables the failures
of Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, Obama, Clinton to treat horrendous failures as successes!
Hillary Clinton supporters don't care, they don't care that she could be a felon nor do they
care she is owned by Wall Street and many other corporate special interest, they just don't care.
Up here in New Hampshire, we soundly rejected untrustworthy, dishonest, disingenuous and corrupt
Hillary, we just wish the rest of the nation had as much time to get to know the candidates as
we had up here!
The US is the dominant force in international banking. It is this position from which sanctions
are derived. Iran had to (and often did) find other ways to get paid for shipping oil than money
flow through international banking, which US and EU sanctions prohibited.
If you seek to oppose the US, you must not fight in a money arena. It's a disadvantageous battlefield.
The price of oil is determined by what? NYMEX traders? Or agreement between a refinery and
an oil exporter?
I would suggest it is the latter, which need not depend on NYMEX numbers at all.
If your goal is to destroy US shale, the last thing you would do is allow your weapon (price)
to be defined by your target (the US in general, which is where the NYMEX is). Nor would you allow
it to be defined by something as variable as free market forces. If you specify price to your
buyer, perhaps lower than his bid, you remove the marketplace from involvement in the battle.
The goal is victory. Not profit. How could you allow yourself to define victory in pieces of
paper printed by your enemy?
If your goal is to destroy US shale, the last thing you would do is allow your weapon (price)
to be defined by your target (the US in general, which is where the NYMEX is). Nor would you allow
it to be defined by something as variable as free market forces.
If your goal is to destroy US shale then the only way you can do that is to produce every barrel
of oil you possibly can. It would not be within your power to allow the price to be defined
by anyone or anything other than market forces. Of course every exporter negotiates a price with
his buyer. But that price must be within a reasonable amount of what the world oil price is at
the moment.
The price of oil is determined by supply and demand just like every commodity on the market.
Every day, there are thousands of oil buyers around the world. There are dozens of sellers,
many of them exporters. All the buyers are in competition with other buyers to get the lowest
possible price. All the sellers are in competition with other sellers to get the highest price
possible. And the price moves up and down with each trade, hourly or sometimes minute by minute.
To believe that even one of those dozens of exporters has the power to set the price oil, much
higher than everyone else is getting, is just silly. And likewise, to believe that a buyer can
get a much lower price than everyone else is getting, is just as silly.
They say that depletion never sleeps. Well, market forces never sleep either.
But that price must be within a reasonable amount of what the world oil price is at the moment.
Which is why it took the predator 18 mos to get it down to lethal levels. Just repeatedly be
willing to sell for a bit less than the bid and down it will go, because others will protect their
marketshare by matching your price (sound familiar?). Then you're no longer the only one offering
a low price.
All the sellers are in competition with other sellers to get the highest price possible.
Were this so there would exist no wiki for predatory pricing.
You aren't thinking about victory. If you seek victory, you don't fight in an arena where you
are disadvantaged. If you're the low cost producer of the lifeblood of civilization, you assert
that advantage and kill the enemy.
By your reasoning the price of oil should be close to zero, say $1/b.
Explain why that isn't the case, if "victory" is the sole objective.
Also predatory pricing is not an effective strategy especially in commodity markets where the
barriers to entry are low.
OPEC does not set the price of oil on World Markets, they simply influence it by their level
of output. In the case of the oil industry attempts at predatory pricing are not rational, it
is simply a strategy for losing money.
Which is why it took the predator 18 mos to get it down to lethal levels. Just repeatedly be
willing to sell for a bit less than the bid and down it will go, because others will protect their
market share by matching your price (sound familiar?). Then you're no longer the only one offering
a low price.
Oh good grief. I give up. You are a hopeless case.
I don't think Watcher expresses the situation very clearly, especially with words like 'predator'.
I don't see it as an apt analogy. I do however feel that the current price war/production war/phantom
production war is clearly an act of economic warfare by Saudi Arabia against their competitors.
It seems odd to me that a world oil production system that can't very accurately tell me how much
oil was produced today until months after the fact is going to start the day tomorrow by saying
'we are over supplied by 1.8 million barrels a day today' and then proceed to talk the price into
the gutter.
Russian President Vladimir Putin predicted the US ambitions to rule the world, experts said.
WASHINGTON (Sputnik) - Russian President Vladimir Putin clearly identified a documented US drive
to dominate the world in his 2007 Munich speech, but nations around the world continue to resist
it, American and European scholars told Sputnik.
"President Putin is obviously aware of the fundamental tenets of neo-conservative US foreign policy
since 2001," California State University Emeritus Professor of Political Science Beau Grosscup, an
author and terrorism analyst, told Sputnik.
That plan was spelled out clearly in the 1992 Pentagon Defense Planning Guidance (DPG) authored
by Paul Wolfowitz and future Vice President Dick Cheney to maintain the United States as the sole
architect of the post-Cold War landscape, Grosscup noted.
"[The plan] includes by-passing existing international institutions, the United Nations in particular,
for unilateral reliance on military power, backed by ad hoc alliances," Grosscup pointed out.
The plan also included a Full Spectrum Doctrine that said the United States should be able to
fight and win numerous wars, including nuclear ones, for regime change purposes in rogue nations,
and that it should prevent the rise of competing powers such as Russia, China and Europe, Grosscup
added.
"Most notable is the right wing Neo-Nazi-inspired Ukrainian regime-change coup backed by the United
States. Along with the Georgia political crisis in 2008, [they] are the final building blocks to
move NATO to Russia's immediate borders," Grosscup claimed.
The purpose of these moves was to prevent Russia rise as a competing power and to control Central
Asian oil and gas reserves, he observed.
"President Putin's concerns expressed at Munich are understandable. Putin points out correctly
that the United States and its ad hoc coalition allies have used non-UN sanctioned unilateral military
force in the Middle East to de-stabilize Iraq, Lebanon, Afghanistan, Libya, Palestinian Occupied
Areas and Syria," Grosscup observed.
On the nuclear front, the United States continues its effort to "out-invent" its strategic weapons
rivals with a technological breakthrough that would allow it to win a strategic nuclear war with
Russia," he stated.
Also, "Current US President Barack Obama had given battlefield commanders the authority to breach
the conventional-nuclear threshold on their own, Grosscup warned.
However, recent Russian policies in the Middle East and Eastern Europe had blunted the drive to
expand US influence, University of Louvain Professor and author of "Humanitarian Imperialism" Jean
Bricmont told Sputnik.
"The resistance of Russia in Syria and Ukraine has strengthened the hand of the anti-interventionists
in the US," he stated.
The current US presidential election campaign had already demonstrated that the American public
did not share their rulers' appetite for endless interventions and wars around the world, Bricmont
emphasized.
"The tide is changing, slowly but surely. The American public does not go along any more with
the neo-cons-liberal interventionists," he maintained.
The pattern of voting in the early US primary and caucuses indicated that the US public had no
enthusiasm for new wars, Bricmont concluded.
Re: "Is NATO actually willing to go to war with Russia for NATO's credibility rather than the
slightly less fabulous idea of a Russian invasion of Poland and the Baltics (as the BBC would
like us to believe)? Germany doesn't want moslem Turkey in the EU, so why would 'Christian Europe'
sacrifice itself for power mad moslem Erdogan?"
Gilbert Doctorow wrote quite a great piece about
the BBC piece here:
I think GD is actually right about Russia's over-reaction:
"The tragedy of our times of information warfare is that well-educated and sincere citizens
are blind-sighted. We have an old maxim that when you cannot persuade, confuse. The fatal flaw
is when you believe your own propaganda. If nothing else, the BBC documentary demonstrates that
for Western elites this is what has happened. The reaction to the film from the Kremlin, suggests
the same has happened to Eastern elites."
I think this the first time I've seen Russian officials "losing their heads" a little bit.
Yes, that is a great piece, and Doctorow seldom disappoints. Russia certainly did miss a golden
opportunity to highlight those closing quotes, if they are as described (I didn't see it), although
they were perfectly right to rage against the demonization of Russia implicit in the scenario,
which supposedly had it attacking Latvia. Why would Russia do such a thing? If left to its own
devices and if current trends prevail (plummeting population and a youth unemployment rate of
more than 18%), the place will be empty in 20 years anyway.
Moreover, the scenario proposes that some 20 Latvian towns are 'taken by pro-Russian separatists',
a la Donbas. What happened to the will of the people? These are ethnic-Russian Latvians, not foreign
invaders. The west in general and Washington in particular has always had a soft spot in its heart
for popular uprisings, and if there is not a good one happening somewhere it often tries to create
one, it likes them so much. are you telling me that's just a political destabilization device,
and not a value the west champions at all?
Economic hopes are rising in Armenia that the country can serve as a trade conduit for Iran now
that international sanctions against Tehran are being lifted.
Armenia has
long-standing
ties to Iran, and is a member
of the Russia-led Eurasian Economic Union (EEU), a factor that potentially increases its attractiveness
as a trade partner for Tehran. Yerevan is "an important avenue for both Iran to export through Armenia
into that large combined market [EEU], and as a platform for Western engagement in the now opening
Iranian market," noted Richard Giragosian, director of the non-governmental Regional Studies Center
in the Armenian capital, Yerevan.
The World Bank's country director for Armenia, Laura Bailey, told RFE/RL's Armenian service in
January that stalled energy partnerships
between Iran and Armenia could be the first sector to take off.
Indeed, National Iranian Gas Exports Company Managing Director Alireza Kameli announced on February
7 that Iran is considering increasing five-fold the 1 million cubic meters of gas it sends daily
to Armenia, state-run Iranian media reported. At the same time, plans for a new power line to increase
Armenia's electricity exports to Iran are developing.
The gas deal appears to fit into a larger, regional scheme. In December, quadripartite talks took
place during which Armenia, Iran, and the Black Sea countries of Georgia and Russia agreed to establish
a coordinating group on establishing an energy corridor linking the four countries.
"We should spare no efforts to connect the Persian Gulf with the Black Sea [via Georgia, Armenia's
northern neighbor]," Iranian President Hassan Rouhani told his Armenian counterpart, Serzh Sargsyan
in a January 24 phone conversation, Iran's MehrNews agency reported.
Negotiations already have occurred between Iran and the Georgian government about sending Iranian
gas to Georgia via Armenia, Iranian state media reported Kameli, the Iranian gas official, as saying
in early January.
Some Armenian experts are tempering their optimism with caution. Russian-owned companies control
an estimated 80 percent of Armenia's energy sector. Energy giant Gazprom runs the gas pipelines from
Iran and on to Georgia, and it tends to look askance at competitors who might try to muscle in on
their markets. At the same time, no clear sign has emerged that Moscow opposes an increase in Iranian
gas exports to Armenia. The Sputnik news agency, a Kremlin mouthpiece, promptly reported Kameli's
announcement on February 7.
Iranian affairs specialist Armen Vardanian at Yerevan's Armenian Institute of International and
Security Affairs believes that "Russia will embrace the projects that will not contradict its national
interests."
"... Russia will certainly react, probably by moving more of its own heavy weapons, including advanced missiles, to its Western borders, possibly along with a number of tactical nuclear weapons. Indeed, a new and more dangerous US-Russian nuclear arms race has been under way for several years, which the Obama administration's latest decision can only intensify. ..."
"... Astonishingly, these potentially fateful developments have barely been reported in the US media, and there's been no public discussion, not even by the current presidential candidates during their debates. ..."
"... Every presidential candidate and the other leaders of both parties, as well as the editors and writers in the mainstream media who profess to be covering the 2016 campaign, the state of our nation, and world affairs are professionally and morally obliged to bring these dire developments to the fore. Otherwise, they will be harshly judged by history-if anyone is still around to write it. ..."
he Obama administration has just recklessly escalated its military confrontation with Russia.
The Pentagon's announcement that it will more than quadruple military spending on the US-NATO forces
in countries on or near Russia's borders pushes the new Cold War toward actual war-possibly even
a nuclear one.
The move is unprecedented in modern times. With the exception of Nazi Germany's invasion of the
Soviet Union, Western military power has never been positioned so close to Russia. The Obama administration's
decision is Russian roulette Washington-style, making the new Cold War even more dangerous than the
preceding one. Russia will certainly react, probably by moving more of its own heavy weapons,
including advanced missiles, to its Western borders, possibly along with a number of tactical nuclear
weapons. Indeed, a new and more dangerous US-Russian nuclear arms race has been under way for several
years, which the Obama administration's latest decision can only intensify.
The decision will also have other woeful consequences. It will undermine ongoing negotiations
between Secretary of State John Kerry and Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov on the Ukrainian
and Syrian crises, and it will further divide Europe itself, which is far from united on Washington's
increasingly hawkish approach to Moscow.
Astonishingly, these potentially fateful developments have barely been reported in the US
media, and there's been no public discussion, not even by the current presidential candidates during
their debates. Never before in modern times has such a dire international situation been so
ignored in an American presidential campaign. The reason may be that everything related to the new
Cold War in US-Russian relations since the Ukrainian crisis erupted in November 2013 has been attributed
solely to the "aggression" of Russian President Vladimir Putin or to "Putin's Russia"-a highly questionable
assertion, but long the media's standard policy narrative.
Every presidential candidate and the other leaders of both parties, as well as the editors
and writers in the mainstream media who profess to be covering the 2016 campaign, the state of our
nation, and world affairs are professionally and morally obliged to bring these dire developments
to the fore. Otherwise, they will be harshly judged by history-if anyone is still around to write
it.
"... Since his appointment, there has been a genuine effort in the field of PR. the goal is to create
for him an image of a politician of an international stature. He seeks to become the counterpart, if
not the equal of the great western powers. ..."
"... It is important to be opportunistic at this level and not to alienate the fringe wahhabi elements
of Saudi Arabia is of paramount importance. A little interaction with the West it OK, too much of interactions
with the West, this is detrimental to his image and his credibility. Therefore he tries to advance his
goal, while at the same time trying not to offend nobody. It is, after all, a dive of discovery in the
international political universe. ..."
"... Regardless of his background, he needs to prove that he matters, that he is a hardliner, that
he is a good minister of Defence, and that that he is anti-shiite, he is a man capable of confronting
Iran. At the same time, he needs to satisfy needs of Saudi population which is increasingly flocks to
jihadism. ..."
"... It is necessary to remove the ground under the feet of those who believe that the monarchy
has for too long been moderate, particularly during the reign of the former king Abdallah. It is this
desire to build his leadership, which leads to the direct confrontation with the shia, including such
political decisions as the execution of the leader of shiite Nimr al-Nimr, and the increased tension
with Iran. Finally, it also represents a reaction of the Saudi monarchy, which was disappointed by the
United States. He would like to stop normalization of Iranian-American relations, because in the event
of a confrontation with Iran, the Saudis would find themselves in a difficult position without 100%
US support. ..."
"... Prince Mohammed bin Salman tenure as the head of the armed forces can be characterized as a
failure. In Yemen, there has been a stalemate ..."
"... Moreover, where he was able to displaced the allies of Iran, the radicals from Al Qaeda and
DAESH took the control of those area. Iran became firmly positioned at the southern gateway to Saudi
Arabia. It is anything but a success. ..."
"... Nevertheless, he was applauded because he stood up and responded, tried to stop to Iran. He
responded to the Iran thereat, but has not managed to achieve his goals, which was expected of him.
However, in the eyes of the Saudis, a manly reaction that tha fact that has the the will to challenge
to the hegemony of Iran in the region was positive steps. ..."
"... In addition, Mohammed bin Salman has a revenge in mind: in 2009, the houthis crossed the Saudi
border, and despite the superiority of Saudis weaponry, the Saudi troops were able to repel that offence
only after 3 months of fighting which left 130 soldiers dead. ..."
"... It is perceived as dangerous because of the war, reckless and ineffective in Yemen as well
as its strategy of tension vis-à-vis Iran. Moreover, for the Germans, Iran is a huge market. They have
relied heavily on Iran in recent years, in the logical continuation of the long tradition of trade between
the two countries. Dont forget that it is a country that lives from exports, and that it is therefore
very important for the Germans to arrive at an agreement with Iran. Moreover, Germany is a country whose
strategy is intimately linked to that of the United States and totally dependent on NATO due to the
fact that it is forbidden to have an army of its own. Germany knows that if it was a direct confrontation
between Saudi Arabia and Iran, it would be required to be supportive of Saudi Arabia – regardless of
the efforts by Barack Obama to move closer to Iran. ..."
"... the strategy of the prince Mohammed Bin Salman is to push Iran to the fault in causing the
tensions that can go up to a risk of open warfare that would force the west to choose Saudi Arabia against
Iran ..."
"... The Prince Mohammed bin Salman is now the most powerful man in Saudi Arabia. It has exclusive
access to his father, King Salman, and effectivly he can rule the coutries inread of him. He is head
of his office, which means that nobody can contact or be received by the King without going through
the son ..."
"... Saudi Arabia is extremely disturbed by the detente with Iran on the international scene. We
are witnessing more or less a reversal of alliances, and of countries images in the eyes of the West.
A short time ago, Iran was demonized in the West. Today, it is accepted as a normal partner. Iran, therefore,
benefits from a relatively favorable treatment, while at the same time when the Arab monarchies, particularly
Saudi Arabia, are seen as retrograde, unable to provide for reforms and creating the flow of Islamic
radicals... The nature of Hezbollah, interference military and terrorists of Iran is currently forgotten.
..."
"... I think it will be very difficult to see any reapprochement with Iran in the coming months
as Saudi Arabia has two hardliners in the young rising generation of leaders. The heir and the vice-inherit
the Kingdom share the same radical line toward Iran. ..."
"... Moreover, Saudi Arabia pays very dear to his strategy of crushing oil prices, which makes it
less able to buy social peace than before. Therefore, there is an internal demand of radicalism, because
the discontent rumbles in the parts of the Saudi population fueled by the effects of the falling oil
prices. ..."
"... If one wanted to summaries, we could say that to buy a peace with Islamist Wahhabi radicals,
it is necessary to kill shia... besides, the Saudis have a genuine complex of encirclement by the Shiite
states. They try to counter it by creating an opposite ark of Sunni radicals. ..."
"... even if this does not lead to open warfare, the tension between Saudi Arabia and Iran is sustainable,
if only because this new generation of Saudis leaders is more combative. They differ from the former
kings who belonged to a generation that was distinguished rather by its search for a compromise and
some consensus. This is absolutely not the case for those two heirs of the throne. ..."
Atlantico : While today Saudi Arabia play the central role in the conflicts around the Middle
East which are worried the whole world. What do we know bout young chief of the armed forces of Saudi
Arabia ?
Antoine Basbous : His position is more precarious than the last year, and it looks like
he is trying to double cross his cousin crown prince.
He tries to use the advantage of the presence of his father on the throne to become a direct successor.
It is an assumption that is pretty crazy since theoretically, Mohammed bin Salman does
not belong to the chain of the succession because of his position in the family. In addition, it
is clearly lacking experience and legitimacy, compared to its brothers and cousins, but also to public
opinion.
He is someone of impulsive, short-tempered, as we already observed in the past. He behaves somewhat
like like his father when he was young. Previously, when he was less in the spotlight, he could afford
some mistakes. But since his appointment to the ministry of defense, he embodies the virile answer
of the kingdom to the set of challenges from Iran. Now, he certainly has placed contracts with firms
of communication that has allowed him to acquire the elements of language needed to smooth impression
about himself. They also help him to appear on major foreign media : recently, he appeared in the
journal The Economist. Since his appointment, there has been a genuine effort in the field of
PR. the goal is to create for him an image of a politician of an international stature. He seeks
to become the counterpart, if not the equal of the great western powers.
It is important to be opportunistic at this level and not to alienate the fringe wahhabi elements
of Saudi Arabia is of paramount importance. A little interaction with the West it OK, too much of
interactions with the West, this is detrimental to his image and his credibility. Therefore he tries
to advance his goal, while at the same time trying not to offend nobody. It is, after all, a dive
of discovery in the international political universe.
Inside, however, his authority comes from his status of the son to the King to whom his father
is listening a lot. In one year, it has greatly expanded its power. It controls not only the military,
budgets but also key sectors of the economy. It has separated the' ARAMCO (the biggest oil company
in the world) from the ministry of oil. This dramatically increases his economic power. In addition,
the minister of oil shall soon leave the position, and should be replaced by his half-brother. Mohammed
bin Salman leaves him a ministry deprived of any substance.
For his education, we know that he has studied the Law in Saudi Arabia, but has not, to my knowledge,
pursued follow-up studies in the West. Currently, he oversees the operations of the Coalition in
Yemen, together with his cousin prince Mohammed bin Nayef, the Interior minister and deputy crown
prince. So far, they are not in rivalry, on the contrary: as the minister of the Interior had no
sons, he might appoint Mohammed bin Salman to be a crown prince since their age gap is 21 years.
Moreover, the two men appear together on the front.
Alexander del Valle : Regardless of his background, he needs to prove that he matters,
that he is a hardliner, that he is a good minister of Defence, and that that he is anti-shiite, he
is a man capable of confronting Iran. At the same time, he needs to satisfy needs of Saudi population
which is increasingly flocks to jihadism. To consolidate its legitimacy, it is obliged to give
grain to grind to the islamists because a large part of the Saudi society is seduced by the dream
of Daech. It is also in a logic of competition with her uncle, who is the current heir of the thone,
as well as with the other princes. It is necessary to remove the ground under the feet of those
who believe that the monarchy has for too long been moderate, particularly during the reign of the
former king Abdallah. It is this desire to build his leadership, which leads to the direct confrontation
with the shia, including such political decisions as the execution of the leader of shiite Nimr al-Nimr,
and the increased tension with Iran. Finally, it also represents a reaction of the Saudi monarchy,
which was disappointed by the United States. He would like to stop normalization of Iranian-American
relations, because in the event of a confrontation with Iran, the Saudis would find themselves in
a difficult position without 100% US support.
Why his actions caused the concerns of the German intelligence services ? What assessment can
we make of year tenure at the head of the armed forces of Saudi Arabia ?
Antoine Basbous : It is important to understand the origins of this report. It is not excluded
that it comes from someone with an interest to harm the image of the Kingdom or of the Prince.
Prince Mohammed bin Salman tenure as the head of the armed forces can be characterized as a failure.
In Yemen, there has been a stalemate. The conflict began in April. We are in January. Nine months
later, despite the multiple bombardments, all of the money spent, the control of the Yemen government
from Ryad remains illusive... He has not managed to clean, to conquer and to install a protected
area. Moreover, where he was able to displaced the allies of Iran, the radicals from Al Qaeda
and DAESH took the control of those area. Iran became firmly positioned at the southern gateway to
Saudi Arabia. It is anything but a success.
Nevertheless, he was applauded because he stood up and responded, tried to stop to Iran. He
responded to the Iran thereat, but has not managed to achieve his goals, which was expected of him.
However, in the eyes of the Saudis, a "manly" reaction that tha fact that has the the will to challenge
to the hegemony of Iran in the region was positive steps. Iran has claimed control of four Arab
capitals. Hassan Rohani has announced the training of 200 000 militia in the five nations in their
neighborhood. A reaction of Saudi Arabia, in the light of these elements, is not unexpected or abnormal.
However, the latter has been slow to arrive and is not manifested in the most timely, the most intelligent
or the most effective.
However, this operation was his baptism of fire. Prior to the commencement thereof, the Prince
was suffering from a bad press. This conflict, it was his moment of truth so to speak. It should
be judged on its ability to generate a "surge" of military and diplomatic activities in the region,
so that Saudi Arabia free itself the control of the Us administration, and that the country acquires
a greater autonomy. The fact that Barack Obama has approved the nuclear deal with Iran has been perceived
as a lesson for the Turks and the Saudis. In addition, Mohammed bin Salman has a revenge in mind:
in 2009, the houthis crossed the Saudi border, and despite the superiority of Saudis weaponry, the
Saudi troops were able to repel that offence only after 3 months of fighting which left 130 soldiers
dead.
Alexander del Valle : It is perceived as dangerous because of the war, reckless and
ineffective in Yemen as well as its strategy of tension vis-à-vis Iran. Moreover, for the Germans,
Iran is a huge market. They have relied heavily on Iran in recent years, in the logical continuation
of the long tradition of trade between the two countries. Don't forget that it is a country that
lives from exports, and that it is therefore very important for the Germans to arrive at an agreement
with Iran. Moreover, Germany is a country whose strategy is intimately linked to that of the United
States and totally dependent on NATO due to the fact that it is forbidden to have an army of its
own. Germany knows that if it was a direct confrontation between Saudi Arabia and Iran, it would
be required to be supportive of Saudi Arabia – regardless of the efforts by Barack Obama to move
closer to Iran.
In fact, since the Covenant of Quincy, Saudi Arabia is bound by a close alliance with the United
States and through this with the western countries. Thus, the strategy of the prince Mohammed
Bin Salman is to push Iran to the fault in causing the tensions that can go up to a risk
of open warfare that would force the west to choose Saudi Arabia against Iran. This tactic is
based on the alliance of ultra-strategic-Pact of Quincy, which was renewed in 2006 by George W. Bush
and still valid today that fact that in any conflict, as soon as Saudi Arabia is struggling with
a rival in the region, the United States should support it. This looks like what Erdogan doing shoot
down a Russian plane. It was to prevent a warming of relations between the Russians and the Americans.
What are the limits of his influence in Saudi Arabia ? In what extent his role as the Minister
of Defence is decisive for his own future in the kingdom ?
Antoine Basbous :The Prince Mohammed bin Salman is now the most powerful man in Saudi
Arabia. It has exclusive access to his father, King Salman, and effectivly he can rule the coutries
inread of him. He is head of his office, which means that nobody can contact or be received by the
King without going through the son. He also can say to anyone inside as well as abroad, "This
is the will of the King". So he has phenomenal power, and does not suffer from the luch of desire
to exercise it. As to whether his role as Defence minister, is decisive for his own future, it is
obvious. If he succeeds in this position and it shows the virility of the military success, this
can strengthen its position. On the other hand, if this gets stuck into yeme war quadmire, if the
failures multiply, it is not excluded that this will ruin completely his chances of succeeding his
father. In a situation like this, He might well became a falling star. It is vital that he achive
a good results in the war on the ground, although in a majority of arab countries, the people is
not necessarily looking very attentively at the quality of governance.
What is the analysis of personality of this key figure and the balance sheet of his first year as
the Defense minister can say about the position of Saudi Arabia on the international scene in the
comong months ? What will be developments in the relations of Saudis and Iran ?
Antoine Basbous
:Saudi Arabia is extremely disturbed by the detente with Iran on the international scene.
We are witnessing more or less a reversal of alliances, and of countries images in the eyes of the
West. A short time ago, Iran was demonized in the West. Today, it is accepted as a normal partner.
Iran, therefore, benefits from a relatively favorable treatment, while at the same time when the
Arab monarchies, particularly Saudi Arabia, are seen as retrograde, unable to provide for reforms
and creating the flow of Islamic radicals... The nature of Hezbollah, interference military and terrorists
of Iran is currently forgotten.
Mohammed bin Salman is still an "emerging" politician, politician in the course of "on the job"
training. But despite of that he is exercising functions that are extremely strategic, and he must
demonstrate whether he can adapt to situations to which the country is facing.
Alexander del Valle : I think it will be very difficult to see any reapprochement with
Iran in the coming months as Saudi Arabia has two "hardliners" in the young rising generation of
leaders. The heir and the vice-inherit the Kingdom share the same radical line toward Iran.
Moreover, Saudi Arabia pays very dear to his strategy of crushing oil prices, which makes
it less able to buy social peace than before. Therefore, there is an internal demand of radicalism,
because the discontent rumbles in the parts of the Saudi population fueled by the effects of the
falling oil prices. An increase of sympathy for jihadism can be felt with those segments of
the population. So even if the prince Mohammed bin Salman and prince Mohammed ben Nayef – heir to
the throne and minister of the Interior - were moderate, they would be obliged to give pledges to
their people, who account for more of the "appeasers of Shiites". If one wanted to summaries,
we could say that to buy a peace with Islamist Wahhabi radicals, it is necessary to kill shia...
besides, the Saudis have a genuine complex of encirclement by the Shiite states. They try to counter
it by creating an opposite ark of Sunni radicals.
I thus do not see how there could be a rapprochement with Iran. Or it can be only via the pressure
of the United States, as was the case between Greece and Turkey in the past. Therefore, even
if this does not lead to open warfare, the tension between Saudi Arabia and Iran is sustainable,
if only because this new generation of Saudis leaders is more combative. They differ from the former
kings who belonged to a generation that was distinguished rather by its search for a compromise and
some consensus. This is absolutely not the case for those two heirs of the throne.
"... This university investigation concluded that the massacre was a false flag operation, which was rationally planned and executed with the aim to overthrow the government and seize power. ..."
Ivan Katchanovski, professor of political science at the University of Ottawa, conducted a study
on the massacre perpetrated by snipers on the Maidan square of Kiev in February, 2014.
This document, from a presentation to the American Association of Political Sciences in San Francisco
in September 2015, is the first academic study on this event.
It uses rational choice theory and Weber's theory of instrumental rationality to examine the actions
of key players from both the Yanukovich government, specifically various police and security forces,
and opposition, especially of the extreme right and oligarchic elements, during the massacre.
The paper analyzes a large amount of material available from different sources: about 1500 videos
and recordings from the internet and television in different countries (about 150 gigabytes), newsletters
and social media messages from a hundred journalists covering the massacre of Kiev, about 5000 photos,
and nearly 30 gigabytes of radio interceptions of snipers and commanders of the Alfa unit of the
Security Service of Ukraine and Ministry troops of the Interior and finally records of the massacre
trial. This study is also based on field research on the massacre site, witness' reports from both
camps, the commanders of the special units, the statements made by current and former government
officials, approximate estimates of ballistic trajectories, bullets and weapons used and the types
of injuries on both sides. This study establishes a specific timetable for the various events of
the massacre, the shooters locations and the precise timing and location of the death of nearly 50
protesters.
This university investigation concluded that the massacre was a false flag operation, which was
rationally planned and executed with the aim to overthrow the government and seize power.
Ivan Katchanovski teaches at the School of Political Studies at the University of Ottawa. He has
been a visiting scholar at the Davis Center for Russian and Eurasian Studies at Harvard University,
visiting Assistant Professor in the Department of Political Science at the State University of New
York at Potsdam, postdoctoral fellow at the Political Science Department at the University of Toronto
and Kluge Postdoctoral Fellow at the Kluge Center at the Library of Congress.
Signs of troubles for the USA natural gas production. This is a larger player and if it is in trouble
the whole US shale gas industry is in trouble too.
Notable quotes:
"... Keep oil at $30 and gas at $2 through summer and there will be a very long list of these. ..."
"... Note how the Dow/S P continues to trade lockstep with crude. ..."
"... Not until the executives have configured themselves to the extent possible within insider trading regs. After that, maybe theyll have plans . ..."
"... A total of 74 energy companies, including Energy XXI Gulf Coast Inc. and Halcon Resources Corp., are expected to have significant difficulties sustaining their debt, according to the report. ..."
"... BTW, Halcon is down 12.8% today, 67.5% year-to-date, and 96% in one year. ..."
The number of U.S. companies that have the highest risk of defaulting on their debt is nearing
a peak not seen since the height of the financial crisis.
With the energy industry crumbling amid record low oil prices, the number of companies with the
lowest credit ratings reached 264 as of Feb. 1, just shy of the high of 291 set in April 2009,
according to a report by Moody's Investors Service Wednesday. That's a 44 percent jump in the
past 12 months, Moody's said.
"The majority of new additions came from oil & gas ….
A total of 74 energy companies, including Energy XXI Gulf Coast Inc. and Halcon Resources
Corp., are expected to have significant difficulties sustaining their debt, according to the report."
BTW, Halcon is down 12.8% today, 67.5% year-to-date, and 96% in one year.
"... the global oil market is not a market like those for smartphones, automobiles or ladies purses. The global oil ( gas) market is a STRATEGIC one. Which goes on to say that the core states, such as first of all, North America, then NW Europe get to have the first and final say. ..."
"... This problem is compounded by the fact that high oil prices enable geo-strategic rivals such as Russia/Iran/Iraq/Venezuela to be more defiant than they would otherwise be. ..."
"... The oil rich countries that are directly controlled by the US co (the US Empire) also known as GCC, follow an oil production policy that largely suits the core states themselves, depending on the situation and their ability to affect the global market. ..."
"... As North America was a massive oil importer circa 2009 (Canada cannot be seen in isolation, but as appendix to the US) this increased oil production went a lot way in: a)boosting economic growth (North America has easily outpaced other advanced economies since the Lehman crisis) b) Minimize the US trade deficit and therefore: c) Boosting the value of the US dollar. ..."
"... Countries outside of the US, Canada (to a lesser extent UK, Norway ) that are major oil producers, need to accrue massive profits from their oil sales, since they universally divert most of those funds into financing the government, the military and social spending, while they must also keep some for re-investments into their oil sectors. US Canada are uber-happy if they can more or less break-even. ..."
Could this have been due to the special place US has in the hierarchy.
When camels are thirsty
they are chewing thistle to relieve their thirst, but the thistle is dry, so in fact their own
blood relieve their thirst.
Dogs chew old bones but there is nothing in them, but pieces of splited bone pierce their mouth
ceiling and fresh blood makes them think there is food in there.
This is what US has done f.ed the little economic moment it still had because is the forefront
of the empire, he is going for the fresh blood of shale.
As I have repeatedly stated on this blog, the global oil market is not a market like those
for smartphones, automobiles or ladies purses. The global oil (& gas) market is a STRATEGIC one.
Which goes on to say that the core states, such as first of all, North America, then NW Europe
get to have the first and final say.
The problem for the US, Canada, Norway and the UK (the only wealthy countries producing large
quantities of oil) is that their oil reserves are extremely marginal and can only be accessed
with high oil prices (in the long-run) This problem is compounded by the fact that high oil
prices enable geo-strategic rivals such as Russia/Iran/Iraq/Venezuela to be more defiant than
they would otherwise be.
The oil rich countries that are directly controlled by the US & co (the US Empire) also
known as GCC, follow an oil production policy that largely suits the core states themselves, depending
on the situation and their ability to affect the global market.
In my view, this is what preceded the recent oil market collapse:
NATO-GCC to Russia in 2011/12: "Give up Assad, or we'll fill our media with BS stories
about you. We will also 'encourage' our corporations to not invest in your country"
Russia to NATO-GCC: "You have been doing that for ages, who cares for even more propaganda.
Assad stays"
NATO-GCC to Russia in 2013/14: "Give up Assad, or we will turn Ukraine against you, there
will be serious trouble for you, as now we will make our economic warfare against you, official.
Moreover, our 'regime-change' efforts will intensify"
Russia replies to NATO-GCC: "Bring it on, Assad stays"
NATO-GCC to Russia in 2014: "We will pummel the oil price into oblivion*, we promise that
you will feel the strain, just give up on Assad or we will destroy you"
Russia replies to NATO-GCC: "I have seen worse. Assad stays"
*Notice that NATO-GCC did not use the oil-price weapon until one of two things happened:
a) Time-pressure on regime-changing-Syria became serious.
b) The shale and tar sands infrastructure had been already put in place under high oil prices.
But back to Ron's core (and largely correct) claim that the global oil production gains of
recent years have been a North American phenomenon (I would also add Iraq)
North America has been able to ramp-up production spectacularly in recent years because of
the following reasons:
a) It's capital rich. Instead of diverting all of that QE-enabled loans to the parasitic "housing
market" and lots of inane Silicon Valley start-ups (that fail 99 times of 100) it was wiser to
have some dough flow into the "shale oil & gas miracle" as well as Alberta's vast tar sands deposits.
Which made both economic as well as strategic sense.
b) As North America was a massive oil importer circa 2009 (Canada cannot be seen in isolation,
but as appendix to the US) this increased oil production went a lot way in: a)boosting economic
growth (North America has easily outpaced other advanced economies since the Lehman crisis) b)
Minimize the US trade deficit and therefore: c) Boosting the value of the US dollar.
As I have noted many times before on this blog, some (maybe several) countries around the world
have massive oil reserves that are far more prolific than those currently being exploited in North
America. But these countries, do not enjoy neither the political/military clout over the GCC,
nor remotely the financial capital to engage in such massive (and risky) investments.
Countries outside of the US, Canada (to a lesser extent UK, Norway ) that are major oil
producers, need to accrue massive profits from their oil sales, since they universally divert
most of those funds into financing the government, the military and social spending, while they
must also keep some for re-investments into their oil sectors. US & Canada are uber-happy if they
can more or less break-even.
But the peak-oil-environmental bias of many, does not allow them to see this.
Your strategic analyses are very interesting Stavros, and fit many of the things we all know are
true. However I have a problem with the "We will pummel the oil price into oblivion" part.
The available evidence is that the price of oil followed very closely the supply/demand ratio.
The chart below is from Dr. Ed's blog.
I am always skeptical of interpretations that are not supported by evidence. There are multiple
theories about who caused the oil price to go down and why. I rather stick with the data, it is
not a PO bias but quite the opposite. A supply/demand mismatch caused it and nobody wanted to
cut production unilaterally.
The oil rich countries that are directly controlled by the US & co (the US Empire) also
known as GCC, The oil rich countries that are directly controlled by the US & co (the US Empire)
also known as GCC, follow an oil production policy that largely suits the core states themselves,
depending on the situation and their ability to affect the global market.
That statement makes no sense whatsoever. Just who is/are "US & Co"? Would that be Obama? Or
perhaps the US Congress? Or perhaps the US Oil Companies? Then in the second half of that long
sentence, you completely contradict the first half of the sentence. You say: follow an oil
production policy that largely suits the core states themselves," Now which is it? Are they
controlled by US & co, or are do they pay no attention to whomever in the US that is doing the
controlling and follow a policy that simply suits themselves?
I would definitely agree with the second half of your sentence, the GCC states do exactly what
they damn well please. And I would definitely disagree with the first half of your sentence. They
would pay no attention to any US politician or businessman that might call them up and try to
tell them what to do.
But back to Ron's core (and largely correct) claim that the global oil production gains
of recent years have been a North American phenomenon (I would also add Iraq).
Well no, that's not what I said. Yes, recent oil production gains have been from US, Canada,
Iraq and Saudi Arabia. But what I said was:
The recent surge in world production that was brought about by high prices…
The recent gains in Iraq and Saudi Arabia were after the price already started to fall. Those
gains were not brought about by high prices. They were despite a steep decline in prices.
That statement makes no sense whatsoever. Just who is/are "US & Co"?
"US and Co" is essentially a codename for NATO. It is ruled by international financial elite
(Davos crowd) which BTW consider the USA (and, by extension, NATO) as an enforcer, a tool for
getting what they want, much like Bolsheviks considered Soviet Russia to be such a tool.
The last thing they are concerned is the well-being of American people.
Do FT honchos know that the USA is importer of natural gas and will stay as such in foreseeable
future due to decimation of shale oil/gas sector. See
http://www.eia.gov/dnav/ng/ng_move_impc_s1_a.htm
Notable quotes:
"... Finally, like Saudi Arabia in oil, Gazprom is one of the lowest-cost gas producers. According to calculations by Mr Henderson at OIES, the cost to Gazprom of delivering its gas to Germany is $3.5 per mmbtu (million British thermal unit) - compared with an estimated $4.3 per mmbtu break-even for US LNG supplies despite US gas prices trading near 16-year lows. ..."
"... Gazprom's contract prices, which are largely tied to oil prices, have kept pace with the spot gas market decline and are likely to fall further in the next six to nine months. ..."
Just as Saudi Arabia is the main swing producer for the global oil market thanks to its ability
to ramp up production if needed, Gazprom is the main holder of spare capacity in the global gas market.
According to Gazprom executives, the company has about 100bn cu m of spare production capacity
- thanks largely to investments made on over-optimistic assumptions about future gas demand - equivalent
to almost a quarter of its production and about 3 per cent of world output.
And just as Saudi Arabia has been unnerved by the prospect of US shale oil
producers eroding its market share, Gazprom faces a similar prospect in the gas market. The flood
of cheap gas unleashed by the
US shale boom has prompted a wave of US LNG projects in recent years. The first cargo of LNG
from the "lower 48" contiguous states of the US is due to be shipped in the next two months, and
the total export capacity under
construction is equivalent to two-thirds of Gazprom's exports to Europe.
Finally, like Saudi Arabia in oil, Gazprom is one of the lowest-cost gas producers. According
to calculations by Mr Henderson at OIES, the cost to Gazprom of delivering its gas to Germany is
$3.5 per mmbtu (million British thermal unit) - compared with an estimated $4.3 per mmbtu break-even
for US LNG supplies despite US gas prices trading near 16-year lows.
Put all those facts together, and it would seem to make sense for the Russian company to push
down prices to keep US LNG out of the market.
"Now the market is getting excited about it; but also the Russians have done their maths and they
know they can win if it happens," says Thierry Bros, European gas analyst at Société Générale in
Paris.
Such a move would be cheaper to implement now because European gas prices have already fallen
dramatically - spot UK gas prices are down 50 per cent in the past two years. Gazprom's contract
prices, which are largely tied to oil prices, have kept pace with the spot gas market decline and
are likely to fall further in the next six to nine months.
Mr Bros estimates it would cost Gazprom $1.3bn in lost revenues to price US LNG out of the market
this year - less than 1 per cent of its historical annual sales.
Gazprom executives have studied the economics of the price war approach and are discussing the
issue, according to people familiar with the company's thinking.
At a
meeting with investors in New York this week, Alexander Medvedev, Gazprom's deputy chief executive,
argued that low spot prices in Europe had already made US LNG supplies uneconomical. "Despite the
prevailing view on the market that North American LNG can change the current pricing model in Europe,
in reality this is not the case at all," he said.
"... A superb account of the ideas of Strauss, his followers and his influence is to be found in The Political Ideas of Leo Strauss (hereafter PI) and Leo Strauss and The American Right (hereafter AR), both by Shadia Drury, professor of politics at the University of Calgary. Her account of Strausss ideas and the prominence they play in American politics today will give you chills or nausea, perhaps both. As she says in PI (p.xii), Strauss is the key to understanding the political vision that has inspired the most powerful men in America under George W. Bush. In my view men who are in the grip of Straussian political ideas cannot be trusted with political power in any society, let alone a liberal democracy. This book explains why this is the case. ..."
"... So the covert elite must be certain that myths like religion or the glory of the nation are not weakened for these are among the best ways to rule over the ignorant herd and lead it into war. (Note that the Straussians themselves are not religious. They are above religion, capable of dealing with tough truths like mans mortality. But in their view, religion is a crucial factor in governing in their view. Irving Kristol, following Strauss, tells us that religion is far more important politically than the Founding Fathers believed and that to rescue America it is necessary to breathe new life into the older, now largely comatose religious orthodoxies. (AR, p. 148). ..."
"... But useful lies of the grand sort like religious myth or blind nationalism need support by lesser lies at crucial moments. And so we go to the smaller lies like weapons of mass destruction, the smoking gun that comes in the form of the mushroom cloud. And here too the elite has a role to play. They are to use their superior rhetorical skills to make the weak argument seem stronger. In other words the cabal not only has to protect myths and manufacture lies but go to work in selling them. What Strauss called rhetoric, we call spin. ..."
"... All of this comes down to one word: lying. But for Strauss, these lies are necessary for the smooth function of society and triumph of ones own nation in war. Hence for Strauss, the lie becomes noble. This phrase Strauss borrows and distorts from Plato who meant by a noble lie a myth or parable that conveyed an underlying truth about morality or nature. But in Strausss hands the noble lie becomes a way of deceiving the herd. Strausss noble lies are far from noble. They are intended to dupe the multitude and secure power for a special elite (AR, p. 79). ..."
All governments lie as I. F. Stone famously observed, but some governments lie more than others.
And the neocon Bush regime serves up whoppers as standard fare every day. Why this propensity to
lie? There are many reasons, but it is not widely appreciated that the neocons believe in lying on
principle. It is the "noble" thing for the elite to do, for the "vulgar" masses, the "herd" will
become ungovernable without such lies. This is the idea of the "noble lie" practiced with such success
and boldness by Scooter Libby and his co-conspirators and concocted by the political "philosopher"
Leo Strauss whose teachings lie at the core of the neoconservative outlook and agenda, so much so
that they are sometimes called "Leocons."
Leo Strauss (1899-1973) was a Jewish-German émigré from the Nazi regime who eventually landed
at the University of Chicago where he developed a following that has achieved enormous prominence
in American politics. Among his students were Paul Wolfowitz who has openly acknowledged that he
is a follower of Straus as has the godfather of neconservatism, Irving Kristol. Irving Kristol begat
William Kristol, the director of operation for the DC neocons, editor of the Weekly Standard and
"chairman" of the Project for the New American Century, which laid out the plans for the Iraq War.
(PNAC also opined in 2000 that a Pearl Harbor-like event would be necessary to take the country to
war, and one year later, presto, we had the strange and still mysterious attack of September 11.)
For his part Paul Wolfowitz begat Libby, in the intellectual sense, when he taught Libby at Yale.
Others stars in the necon firmament are Richard Perle, Douglas Feith and lesser figures like Abram
Shulsky, director of the Pentagon's Office of Special Plans, created by Donald Rumsfeld. Shulsky,
also a student of Strauss, was responsible for fabricating the lies masquerading as intelligence
that were designed to get the U.S. into the war on Iraq. While the neocons have a passion for the
Likud party and Zionism, they also count among their number not a few pre-Vatican II Catholics and
an assortment of cranks like Newt Gingrich and John Bolton and crypto fascists like Jeanne Kirkpatrick.
The list goes on and Justin Raimondo has documented it in great detail over the years on Antiwar.com.
But it is enough to note that Cheney's alter ego was Libby, and Rumsfeld's second in command until
recently was Wolfowitz. So both Cheney, the de facto president with an apparently ill perfused cerebrum,
and the geezer commanding the Pentagon have been managed by younger and very prominent Straussians
for the past five years.
A superb account of the ideas of Strauss, his followers and his influence is to be found in The
Political Ideas of Leo Strauss (hereafter PI) and Leo Strauss and The American Right (hereafter AR),
both by Shadia Drury, professor of politics at the University of Calgary. Her account of Strauss's
ideas and the prominence they play in American politics today will give you chills or nausea, perhaps
both. As she says in PI (p.xii), "Strauss is the key to understanding the political vision that has
inspired the most powerful men in America under George W. Bush. In my view men who are in the grip
of Straussian political ideas cannot be trusted with political power in any society, let alone a
liberal democracy. This book explains why this is the case."
For those who wish to understand the neocon agenda, Drury's books are essential reading. She is
clear and thorough.
Of pertinence to "Scooter's" case and the pack of lies he was concealing is Strauss's idea that
a "philosopher elite" (i.e., Straussians) must rule. Moreover they must do so covertly. As someone
remarked before last Friday, "Who ever heard of I. Lewis Libby?" a man who shunned the spotlight
and operated behind the scenes. The reason for such covert rule, or cabal, is that the "vulgar" herd,
as Strauss liked to call the rest of us, cannot appreciate "higher truths" such as the inevitability
and necessity of wars in relations between states and even the utility of wars in governing a state.
So the covert elite must be certain that myths like religion or the glory of the nation are not
weakened for these are among the best ways to rule over the ignorant herd and lead it into war. (Note
that the Straussians themselves are not religious. They are "above" religion, capable of dealing
with tough truths like man's mortality. But in their view, religion is a crucial factor in governing
in their view. Irving Kristol, following Strauss, tells us that religion is "far more important politically"
than the Founding Fathers believed and that to rescue America it is necessary "to breathe new life
into the older, now largely comatose religious orthodoxies." (AR, p. 148). Any religion will do except
perhaps Islam, which is more or less verboten, given the affinity of all leading neocons for Israel.
Hence the neocons readily embrace the ideology and leadership of Christian fundamentalism which can
keep the crowd under control and get them to march off to war and death. The neocons are mainly interested
in foreign policy, as was Strauss, but in exchange for the support of the religious Right in foreign
affairs, the neocons line up behind the domestic program of the fundamentalists. It's a win win situation,
from their point of view
But useful lies of the grand sort like religious myth or blind nationalism need support by lesser
lies at crucial moments. And so we go to the "smaller" lies like "weapons of mass destruction," the
"smoking gun that comes in the form of the mushroom cloud." And here too the elite has a role to
play. They are to use their "superior rhetorical skills" to make the weak argument seem stronger.
In other words the cabal not only has to protect myths and manufacture lies but go to work in selling
them. What Strauss called "rhetoric," we call spin.
All of this comes down to one word: lying. But for Strauss, these lies are necessary for the smooth
function of society and triumph of one's own nation in war. Hence for Strauss, the lie becomes "noble."
This phrase Strauss borrows and distorts from Plato who meant by a "noble lie" a myth or parable
that conveyed an underlying truth about morality or nature. But in Strauss's hands the "noble lie"
becomes a way of deceiving the herd. Strauss's "noble lies are far from "noble." They are intended
to "dupe the multitude and secure power for a special elite" (AR, p. 79).
One other idea of Strauss's bears on the situation of "Scooter" Libby. How is the Straussian philosophical
elite going to get from the halls of academe to the corridors of power? This depends on good luck
and the "chance" encounter between the powerful and the Straussian. Here the contemporary neocons
go beyond Strauss and leave nothing to chance. It would even appear that they look for the stupid,
gullible or those who are mentally compromised. So William Kristol becomes Vice President Quayle's
chief of Staff, and Libby becomes the right hand man to the addled Cheney as well as assistant to
the Quayle-like Bush. And there are many more.
Finally, Drury makes the point the Strauss and the neocons are not really conservative at all.
They are radicals, at war with the entire modern enterprise which makes them turn to the ancients
for their inspiration and even there they need to distort the teachings of Socrates or Plato to make
their case. But the Enlightenment comes to us with the advance of science to which Strauss is also
hostile. He says that he is not against science as such "but popularized science or the diffusion
of scientific knowledge.Science must remain the preserve of a small minority; it must be kept secret
from the common man" (PI, p. 154). But this is impossible. Science by its very nature is a vast social
enterprise requiring the widest possible dissemination of its findings. Any society that puts a lid
on this will fail, and so by natural selection, the Straussian project is doomed to fail.
But before that happens the Straussians can do a lot of damage. As Drury says, they "cannot be
trusted with political power." But we can learn from them the importance of boldness, not in the
pursuit of the "noble lie" but of the truth. And we must be certain that we are vigorous as we hunt
them down and get them out of power. In that effort Shadia Drury has done us a great service.
"... The greatest crime of the twenty-first century so far was the U.S. invasion and occupation of Iraq. ..."
"... First Bush and Cheney (and Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz and Rice) made the decision to go to war. Then they sat down and carefully invented the reasons ..."
"... On Sept. 11, 2001 Bush asked his counterterrorism advisor Richard A. Clarke, who had warned him in early 2001 about an "immanent al-Qaeda threat" (warnings Clarke alleges Bush "ignored") to produce a report blaming Iraq for the attacks on the Twin Towers and the Pentagon. ..."
"... In his own account Clarke says: "I said, Mr. President. We've done this before." (Meaning, we've explored the possibility of ties between Baghdad and al-Qaeda before.) "We have been looking at this. We looked at it with an open mind. There is no connection." ..."
"... Meanwhile Secretary of "Defense" Donald Rumsfeld advocated - from day one - attacks on Iraq as a response to 9/11. Clarke has stated that he assumed Rumsfeld was joking when he first suggested, immediately after the event, that since Afghanistan had "no good targets" the U.S. should proceed to bomb the totally un-related country. But he soon learned that Rumsfeld and his staff headed by Paul Wolfowitz were in deadly earnest. ..."
"... Some are describing Obama's renewed bombing of Iraq, and the strikes on Syrian targets, as a new "neocon moment." ..."
"... Recall how, in late 2003, as it became embarrassingly evident that Iraq had had no weapons of mass destruction, Wolfowitz in Iraq tried to change the subject entirely. Who cares about weapons of mass destruction? he told a reporter. The Iraqi people want to reconstruct their country, he declared (as though the question of the war's legitimacy was an irrelevant detail). Having acknowledged some "intelligence flaws" (attributing them to the CIA, rather than to themselves-despite what we know of the unprecedented Cheney-Libby visits to the Pentagon to browbeat the intelligence professionals to include their bullshit into official reports), Cheney and his neocon camp changed the subject. ..."
"... No, it wasn't about the announced reasons: weapons of mass destruction, or al-Qaeda ties. Nor was it about U.S. Big Oil (which hasn't profited from the Iraq War, the big contracts going to China and Russia). Nor was it about permanent military bases; the Iraqis have successfully rejected them. What does that leave us with? ..."
"... A war pushed by the neocons to destroy a foe of Israel. It succeeded, surely, but only to produce a vicious Sunni successor state in Anbar Province potentially far more threatening to Israel than Saddam ever was. ..."
The greatest crime of the twenty-first century so far was the U.S. invasion and occupation of
Iraq. Broadly conceived by George W. Bush and Dick Cheney immediately after 9/11, it initially lacked
a coherent justification . But as Condoleezza Rice noted at the time, the tragedy brought "opportunities."
(People in fear can be persuaded to support things policy-makers long wanted, but couldn't quite
sell to the public.)
First Bush and Cheney (and Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz and Rice) made the decision to go to war. Then
they sat down and carefully invented the reasons for their war.
On Sept. 11, 2001 Bush asked his counterterrorism advisor Richard A. Clarke, who had warned him
in early 2001 about an "immanent al-Qaeda threat" (warnings Clarke alleges Bush "ignored") to produce
a report blaming Iraq for the attacks on the Twin Towers and the Pentagon.
In his own account Clarke says: "I said, Mr. President. We've done this before." (Meaning, we've
explored the possibility of ties between Baghdad and al-Qaeda before.) "We have been looking at this.
We looked at it with an open mind. There is no connection."
But Clarke's recollection of the event continues:
"He came back at me and said, 'Iraq! Saddam! Find out if there's a connection.' And in a very
intimidating way. I mean that we should come back with that answer. We wrote a report. It was
a serious look. We got together all the FBI experts, all the CIA experts. We wrote the report.
We sent the report out to CIA and found FBI and said, 'Will you sign this report?' They all cleared
the report. And we sent it up to the president and it got bounced by the National Security Advisor
or Deputy. It got bounced and sent back saying, 'Wrong answer. … Do it again.'"
Few policy decisions in modern history can rival the evil of that demand that the U.S. intelligence
community deliberately contrive a false historical narrative, to justify a war that has destroyed
a country and killed half a million people.
Meanwhile Secretary of "Defense" Donald Rumsfeld advocated - from day one - attacks on Iraq as a response
to 9/11. Clarke has stated that he assumed Rumsfeld was joking when he first suggested, immediately
after the event, that since Afghanistan had "no good targets" the U.S. should proceed to bomb the
totally un-related country. But he soon learned that Rumsfeld and his staff headed by Paul Wolfowitz
were in deadly earnest.
The Powell UN speech, demanding global support for an attack on a threatening, al-Qaeda aligned
Iraq, in fact bombed. But more than that, key U.S. allies-NATO heavies France and Germany among them-refused
to get on board the program. This occasioned an amazing campaign of vilification of France, best
symbolized by Congress's decision to rename "French fries" "freedom fries" in the Congressional cafeteria.
An asinine book trashing France as "our oldest enemy" became a best-seller.
... ... ...
Republican presidents, Democratic presidents. All on the same page when it comes to maintaining
what Wolfowitz termed "full-spectrum dominance" in the post-Cold War world. Now as it all falls apart-as
ISIL expands its "caliphate," as the Syrian Baathists hold out against both U.S.-backed and other
Islamists, as Iran gains respect as a serious negotiator in the Geneva talks, as China rises, as
Russia thwarts NATO expansion, as U.S.-Israeli ties fray, as a multi-polar world inevitably emerges-
what triumphs can the neocons claim?
Once flushed with history, proclaiming the "end of history" with the triumph of capitalist imperialism
over Marxist socialism and other competing ideologies, they have only a handful of successes they
can claim.
They have successfully avoided prison. They calculated that they could mislead the people and commit
the gravest possible crimes with impunity, under the U.S. system. Wolfowitz was nominated by Bush
to become World Bank president in 2005, and held the post two years before departing amidst a scandal. Feith sashayed out of office the same year, hired at Georgetown University's School of Foreign Service
(despite opposition from the more principled faculty). They serve as news consultants and live comfortable
lives.
They have left behind in positions of power and influence fellow neocons (most notably, Victoria Nuland, architect of the Ukraine disaster) and neocon allies, "liberal internationalists" like former
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, as well as an assortment of dear friends who simply love war,
such as Sen. John McCain. Some are describing Obama's renewed bombing of Iraq, and the strikes on
Syrian targets, as a new "neocon moment." It must give them great pleasure.
Perhaps most importantly: Iraq, although (or because) it has been absolutely destroyed as a
modern state by U.S. fury, is no longer a threat to Israel.
Oilmen Rumsfeld, Cheney and Bush (and Rice who has an oil tanker named after her) lusted after
oil profits. They lusted too for an expansion of U.S. military power in the "Greater Middle East."
They were less concerned with Israel. But Israel's survival as a specifically "Jewish" state, with
a subject Arab population that must never become demographically threatening-and blow the whole Zionist
project by forcing a one-state multi-ethnic solution-is the central neocon concern. They will not
say this, of course; Leo Strauss students like Wolfowitz and Shulsky believe in the need for deception
to get things done. But this was the minimal objective of the neocons' response to 9/11: to use the
event to advantage Israel.
Recall how, in late 2003, as it became embarrassingly evident that Iraq had had no weapons of
mass destruction, Wolfowitz in Iraq tried to change the subject entirely. Who cares about weapons
of mass destruction? he told a reporter. The Iraqi people want to reconstruct their country, he declared
(as though the question of the war's legitimacy was an irrelevant detail). Having acknowledged some
"intelligence flaws" (attributing them to the CIA, rather than to themselves-despite what we know
of the unprecedented Cheney-Libby visits to the Pentagon to browbeat the intelligence professionals
to include their bullshit into official reports), Cheney and his neocon camp changed the subject.
The real issue, they now averred, was creating "democracy" in the Middle East. Condi Rice happily
connived with this strategy, arguing dramatically that it was as wrong to deny people in the Middle
East their freedom as it had been to deny black people in her home of Birmingham, Alabama their right
to vote. Suddenly special diplomats were dispatched to Arab countries to lecture skeptical, sometimes
glowering audiences on the advantages of the U.S. political system.
Under great pressure, some Arab countries somewhat expanded their parliamentary processes. The
effort backfired as Islamists were elected in Egypt, Hizbollah made advances in Lebanon, and Hamas
won a majority in the first free Palestinian election (in 2006). The "terrorists" were winning elections!
The State Department denounced such results and has since shut up about "democracy" in the Middle
East.
No, it wasn't about the announced reasons: weapons of mass destruction, or al-Qaeda ties. Nor
was it about U.S. Big Oil (which hasn't profited from the Iraq War, the big contracts going to China
and Russia). Nor was it about permanent military bases; the Iraqis have successfully rejected them.
What does that leave us with?
A war pushed by the neocons to destroy a foe of Israel. It succeeded, surely, but only to produce
a vicious Sunni successor state in Anbar Province potentially far more threatening to Israel than
Saddam ever was.
But Binyamin Netanyahu doesn't see it that way. He has repeatedly dubbed Iran as a greater threat
than ISIL. Having predicted since 1992 that Iran is close to developing a nuclear bomb; having repeatedly
demanded (echoed by prominent U.S. neocons such as Norman Podhoretz) that the U.S. bomb Iran (to
prevent a "nuclear holocaust"); having angrily dismissed U.S. intelligence assessments that Iran
has no nuclear weapons program, Netanyahu wants Obama to focus on destroying the Iranian regime.
GARY LEUPP is Professor of History at Tufts University, and holds a secondary appointment in
the Department of Religion.
"... In short, unless the semi-free democratic society is strong, and not only ready to defend itself
but also willing to go on the offensive in support of its system abroad, it will perish. The neocon
view is that either you're willing to export liberal democracy or it will be crushed by all kinds of
barbaric global groups. ..."
"... They too believe – some of them because they were taught it by Strauss Co – that their most
important values are best advanced and preserved in a relatively free society, provided such a society
is strong and wields power wisely, both at home and abroad. ..."
"... Neoconservatives are neoliberals with a gun, changing Al Capone maxim into You can get much
farther with a neoliberal recommendations and a gun than you can with a neoliberal recommendation (as
in Washington consensus) alone. Kind of attack dogs of neoliberalism. ..."
"... The failure of the Weimar regime to prevent the rise of fascism, in his view, resided in its
failure to put power into the hands of the strong and good, who inevitably, unable to acquire popular
support through honest methods, should (like their Nazi adversaries) have cleverly used Big Lies (towards
good ends) to nudge the people towards those ends. Only wise men, acting in secrecy, can do that. ..."
"... As Hersh points out, the neocons (just about a dozen officials-including Wolfowitz, Perle,
Feith, Bolton, Abrams - operating in concert with the oil-baron contingent in the administration-Rumsfeld,
Cheney, Rice, Bush-and providing them with intellectual guidance) refer to themselves (with smug amusement)
as a cabal (a word with an interesting etymology). ..."
"... That seizure is still in progress, messily, untidily, brutally and illegally, and with results
no cabal, however wise, can really predict. Among the results might be a growing revulsion among the
American people themselves at the neocons misanthropic arrogance, and perhaps (much though it should
be regretted and fought) anti-Semitism. ..."
Neoconservatives follow the philosophy of Leo Strauss, the father of the neoconservative movement.
Whether is has been bad or good, hard to know. A little bit and a good read about the neoconservatives
and Leo Strauss:
"Neoconservatives hold the view that 'American' is the best bet for the world – America's
institutional set-up is a very useful combination of modern elements, having to do with the
sovereignty of individuals together with the older idea of a substantial role for government
– and that this is an idea that needs to be widely promulgated. Indeed, without its promulgation
there can arise and persist major threats to the countries which do embrace this set up, such
as the United States of America. In short, unless the semi-free democratic society is strong,
and not only ready to defend itself but also willing to go on the offensive in support of its
system abroad, it will perish. The neocon view is that either you're willing to export liberal
democracy or it will be crushed by all kinds of barbaric global groups.
Now let us return to Strauss. Recall his prudential endorsement of classical liberalism
as the best bet for philosophy. (Just exactly why philosophy ought to be cherished is not made
clear by Strauss & Co; and their implicit or explicit nihilism calls the merit of philosophy
into serious question.) Strauss's embrace of classical liberalism – or at least a watered down
version of it, as per liberal democracy – did appear to influence the neocons. They too
believe – some of them because they were taught it by Strauss & Co – that their most important
values are best advanced and preserved in a relatively free society, provided such a society
is strong and wields power wisely, both at home and abroad."
Neoconservatives are neoliberals with a gun, changing Al Capone maxim into "You can get
much farther with a neoliberal recommendations and a gun than you can with a neoliberal recommendation
(as in Washington consensus) alone." Kind of attack dogs of neoliberalism.
Using deception as a smoke screen in politics was actually introduced by Machiavelli, not by
Leo Strauss; that's why Bush II administration was called Mayberry Machiavelli (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayberry_Machiavelli)
What Leo Strauss introduced and what is used in neoconservative/neoliberal discourse is the
concept of "noble lie" (which includes "false flag" operations;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag).
Here is how Professor of History at Tufts University Gary Leupp defines their behavior:
== quote ==
Hersh notes the critical influence of the philosopher Leo Strauss (d. 1973) on Wolfowitz's
thinking. His article stimulated, among other articles, a substantial piece on Strauss by Jeet
Heer in the Boston Globe (May 11), and another by William Pfaff in the International Herald
Tribune (May 15), the latter noting that "Strauss's thought is a matter of public interest
because his followers are in charge of U.S. foreign policy." Strauss, of German Jewish origins
who taught for many years at the University of Chicago, mentoring Wolfowitz among others, was
a brilliant man. No question about that. But also a man profoundly hostile to the modern world
and to the concept of rule by the people. He believed it was the natural right of the wise
and strong to lead societies to the fulfillment of their wise aims, using subterfuge when necessary,
because speaking the naked truth won't get the job done.
Strauss's point of departure is Socrates, who in Plato's Republic denounces Athenian democracy
(the rule of the untutored masses) and instead promotes government by "philosopher-kings."
Strauss had experienced the Weimar Republic (one of the more democratic experiments in modern
history) and seen Germany fall into the hands of the Nazis. He understandably opposed the latter,
but he derived some lessons from their methodology.
The failure of the Weimar regime to prevent the rise of fascism, in his view, resided
in its failure to put power into the hands of the strong and good, who inevitably, unable to
acquire popular support through honest methods, should (like their Nazi adversaries) have cleverly
used Big Lies (towards good ends) to nudge the people towards those ends. Only wise men, acting
in secrecy, can do that.
As Hersh points out, the neocons (just about a dozen officials-including Wolfowitz,
Perle, Feith, Bolton, Abrams - operating in concert with the oil-baron contingent in the administration-Rumsfeld,
Cheney, Rice, Bush-and providing them with intellectual guidance) refer to themselves (with
smug amusement) as a "cabal" (a word with an interesting etymology).
They have contempt for the masses, and feel utterly justified in wisely misleading
those masses into a roadmap for global peace on their terms. That meant, initially, using 9-11
to produce support for the seizure of Iraq,
That seizure is still in progress, messily, untidily, brutally and illegally, and with
results no cabal, however wise, can really predict. Among the results might be a growing revulsion
among the American people themselves at the neocons' misanthropic arrogance, and perhaps (much
though it should be regretted and fought) anti-Semitism. The latter might be provoked
by the fact that persons inclined to embrace the most extreme factions in the Israeli political
apparatus are disproportionately represented in the neocons' cabal, and while the general movement
of U.S. foreign policy is driven by broad geopolitical concerns, rather than the alliance with
Israel, the neocons' allegiance to what they perceive to be the interests of Sharon's Israel
is highly conspicuous.
== end of quote ==
"... Were going on 2 yrs since the price decline began, what . . . about 20 months ago? Just how
long is that long run were supposed to be waiting for to see sharp production decline? ..."
MOSCOW, Feb 2 (Reuters) – Oil production in Russia hit a post-Soviet high in January, reaching
an average of 10.88 million barrels per day (bpd), preliminary data released by the Energy Ministry
showed on Tuesday.
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My comment:
At 7.3 barrels / ton ratio, production in January was 10,834 kb/d vs. 10,76o kb/d (revised) in
December 2015 and 10,613 in January 2015 (year-on-year increase of 2.1%)
Russian crude and condensate production (mb/d)
source: Russian Energy Ministry
Two new mid-sized fields came onstream, one in December and one in January
Several new field start-ups are expected for 2016, including a relatively large Filanovskogo project
in Northern Caspian.
The numbers in tons (as stated in Ministry's report and in b/d)
(sorry, the last column is January 2016)
People are going to have to wrap their minds around reality. Production doesn't have to fall
because of price - especially in locales with total government control.
We're going on 2 yrs since the price decline began, what . . . about 20 months ago? Just
how long is that long run we're supposed to be waiting for to see sharp production decline?
Estimates of decline are varied from none to 0.5Mb/d, but when it can start and how sharp it
will be is anybody guess.
I think it will not be sharp as Russian producers are partially isolated from oil price slump
by the currency depreciation and long term contracts that they typically use.
== quote ==
The economics of Russian production provide a glimpse of how painful current prices are. According
to ESAI Energy's analysis in the accompanying chart, when the Urals price is $30 per barrel,
a producer's net revenue after paying the crude export duty and Mineral Extraction tax is $17.
But since their costs are paid in rubles, the value of which has plummeted, lifting costs and
pipeline transport from West Siberia are roughly $8 per barrel.
These numbers indicate Russian producers can withstand prices as low as even $20 per barrel
without them having a significant impact on production in 2016. That said, oil companies like
Lukoil and Rosneft, which together account for 5.5 million b/d of Russian production, might
participate in production limits were the Putin regime to pursue them.
"... Hopefully after reading your comment, those who believe that the US is not an empire, shall have at least a bit clearer understanding of the fact(s) that: ..."
"... Japan, although de jure a developed democracy, is de facto the 51st state of the US and it is not its democracy and economic might that keeps China from sinking it, but indeed the 50000 US Military personal permanently staged in Okinawa ..."
"... It is not the South Korean peoples will that keeps the fat, ugly Kim (and the other fatter and uglier Kim-s before him) from turning Seoul into an ashtray within an hour, but indeed the 50000 US Military personal permanently staged there…. ..."
"... US does not spend more than the next 20 countries COMBINED in war/military just for the fun of it – but indeed to secure its unchallenged hegemony throughout the world. ..."
"... US does not maintain and pay for more than 200 military bases and installations (1/3 of them on a permanent status) throughout the globe just to enjoy the climate and eat sushi…, but indeed to influence affairs in EVERY corner of the globe. ..."
"... By directly and indirectly creating, fueling and influencing every (and I mean that literally: every and all!) war and conflict throughout the world since WWII gives a full and complete meaning to: ..."
"... Not only is the US an Empire, but it is an Empire that puts to shame all preceding ones ~ Stavros H ..."
"... Russia is at a massive disadvantage vis-a-vis NATO-GCC in anything other than nuclear capability: ..."
"…Our first objective is to prevent the re-emergence of a new rival, either on the territory of
the former Soviet Union or elsewhere, that poses a threat on the order of that posed formerly
by the Soviet Union. This is a dominant consideration underlying the new regional defense strategy
and requires that we endeavor to prevent any hostile power from dominating a region whose resources
would, under consolidated control, be sufficient to generate global power…" ~ 02/18/1992 Defense
Planning Guidance (aka: the Wolfowitz Doctrine). Authored by Under Secretary of Defense for Policy
Paul Wolfowitz and Scooter Libby.
Dear Stavros,
I have to say that your comment is a "must read" for the multitude of un-initiated commentators
who naively think the US is not an empire , or for those who have the 15 century understanding
of "Empire" and think that to be an empire the US must include more than Puerto Rico and the Virgin
Islands in/on its map…
The best and most synthetic comment (within the time/space limits of a blog akin to this) with
regard to history and geopolitics of the US Empire.
With the exception of a few outdated and "linear" thinking passages (i.e.: "…with Russia openly
defying the entire North-American-EU-Turkey-GCC-Israel complex despite a relative balance of forces
that is on paper nothing less than catastrophic (for Russia)…" – what Mr. Fermi did in Chicago
in 1942 and Mr. Oppenheimer et al, did in New Mexico in the Summer of 1945, reduce to irrelevancy
the amount and size of the adversaries of countries like Russia and the US when it comes to war…hint:
there will be no adversaries left and nothing to conquer afterwards!), I fully agree with your
assessment and comprehension of the "puzzle".
Hopefully after reading your comment, those who believe that the US is not an empire, shall have
at least a bit clearer understanding of the fact(s) that:
Japan, although de jure a developed democracy, is de facto the 51st state of the US and
it is not its democracy and economic might that keeps China from "sinking" it, but indeed the
>50000 US Military personal permanently staged in Okinawa (and GOD knows how many more "civilian"
personal). Young Chinese minds – whose most important history lesson taught in school to this
day is : "The rape of Nankin" know that very well!
It is not the South Korean people's will that keeps the fat, ugly Kim (and the other fatter
and uglier Kim-s before him) from turning Seoul into an ashtray within an hour, but indeed
the >50000 US Military personal permanently staged there….
US does not spend more than the next 20 countries COMBINED in war/military just for the
fun of it – but indeed to secure its unchallenged hegemony throughout the world.
US does not maintain and pay for more than 200 military bases and installations (1/3 of
them on a "permanent" status) throughout the globe just to enjoy the climate and eat sushi…,
but indeed to "influence" affairs in EVERY corner of the globe.
By directly and indirectly creating, fueling and influencing every (and I mean that literally:
every and all!) war and conflict throughout the world since WWII gives a full and complete
meaning to:
"Not only is the US an Empire, but it is an Empire that puts to shame all preceding ones"
~ Stavros H
I am impressed and will read you more attentively in the future.
Regarding my comment on Russia being "catastrophically" outgunned by the NATO-GCC-Israel complex
opposing her, allow me to attempt a clarification/elaboration.
Obviously, the existence of nuclear weapons (both tactical & strategic) and Russia's very own
formidable arsenal of such weapons almost certainly forestalls any hopes/plans that her enemies
may have had in launching some kind of 21st century Operation Barbarossa/Napoleonic invasion.
Notice that I say "almost" since at least a few western "security experts" believe that a surprise
decapitating "First Strike" could potentially neutralize Russia's nuclear deterrent and pave the
way for victory.
But, this being a 21st century Global Hybrid War, conventional/unconventional military assets
are not the only factor at play.
Russia is at a massive disadvantage vis-a-vis NATO-GCC in anything other than nuclear capability:
a) Conventional Air and Naval Forces. NATO's (read; US's) fleet roams the oceans. NATO's drone
fleet also handily exceeds Russia's in both quantity and quality.
b) Geostrategic reach. US-NATO boasts proxies and military bases bestriding most of the globe's
surface. NATO even has proxies on Russia's borders (a tremendous threat to Russia) That includes
the Baltic states (only minutes of flight between them and St. Petersburg) Georgia in the Caucasus,
as well most importantly and recently, Ukraine. Ukraine is now an open wound for Russia as well
as an existential threat.
c) Most importantly, NATO-GCC is immensely superior to Russia in economic terms. GDP, financial
assets, ability to issue currency, you name it. This allows NATO-GCC not only to buy more influence
around the global chessboard, but also to at least inflict short-term economic pain on Russia.
If Russia fails to cope, it will become much more than that.
d) "Soft Power". The "West" culturally dominates the world. And when I say culturally, I use
that term in its broadest sense. Not only films, music and fashion, but also in terms of language,
education, political and behavioral norms etc. Moreover, and this is quite crucial, NATO-GCC outguns
Russia in terms of propaganda outlets. Russia only boasts one state-funded TV network and a couple
websites and also has to rely on several "alternative media" websites in the West itself (which
it does not control or fund) but who are I think, its most prized asset in the "informational
war" sphere. People who feel disenfranchised in the West itself (mostly the far-left and the far-right)
have largely sided with Russia on this one. This is so for obvious reasons that I don't have to
go into right now.
On the other hand, NATO, possesses an entire global behemoth of propaganda factories, some
state funded, others partially so, others wholly private, but all of them with direct links to
western Intelligence Agencies, pushing a particular narrative in myriads of ways, at all times
adjusted to the targeted audience.
You must also add the so-called NGO's to the equation. In this arena, Russia owns little if
any assets. Her enemies on the other hand, again possess entire armies of "international agencies",
"charities", "watchdogs", "think-tanks" etc. All are designed to push the NATO agenda around the
globe, subverting any and all governments that step out of line. Their first and foremost target
is of course, you guessed it. These include: HRW, AI, SOHR, PHR and so on and so on ad infinitum.
Russia is of course scrambling to find asymmetrical ways to partially counter for this imbalance,
with some success, it has to said. It is in this vein that I made that claim.
No arguments what so ever! Fully agree, but just for the sake of discussion:
1- "Notice that I say "almost" since at least a few western "security experts" believe that
a surprise decapitating "First Strike" could potentially neutralize Russia's nuclear deterrent
and pave the way for victory." ~ Stavros
Those who say that (i.e: McCain, Graham etc) are first class morons!
Even if we had 90% success rate during that first strike would live them with 800+ high yield
heads which will assure there will be no winners.
Even if we had 99% destruction rate during the first strike (impossible even if we new where
they hide them…and I mean all 8000+ of war heads they possess.
They have more then all the others combined!) will still live them with 80+ deliverable high
yield heads – which still assures NO winners!
That is why smart people in the '60s and '70s called it MAD (mutually assured destruction).
2- "Conventional Air and Naval Forces. NATO's (read; US's) fleet roams the oceans. NATO's
drone fleet also handily exceeds Russia's in both quantity and quality."
Those are WWII technology which are successful against countries like Iran/Iraq/Vietnam/Granada/Libya/Argentina/Brasil
etc, etc.
But against Russia/China and the new generation hyper-sonic anti ship weaponry and EMP/electronic
jamming technology they are truly and utterly VERY expensive sitting ducks.
Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov told reporters in the United Arab Emirates on Tuesday that
Moscow is "open for other forms of cooperation, if there is general interest in holding a meeting
between OPEC members and producer countries."
The article is weak and one-sided, but some facts (or more correctly fuzzy estimates) are
interesting. While this is not an objective assessment of russian conditions, it is pretty good
assement of Western sentiments toward Russia as reflected in MSM.
Notable quotes:
"... in the key Soviet-era fields in western Siberia, the annual rate of depletion is averaging 8 percent to 11 percent, while new projects are being curtailed. ..."
"... According to the Telegraph [ article by Ambrose Evans-Pritchard ( 14 Jan 2016)], Transneft, the Russian crude and product pipeline monopoly, estimated that Russian crude exports could decrease in 2016 by some 460,000 barrels per day, based on producer applications for pipeline capacity. ..."
"... At the end of Q3, Rosneft's net debt stood at $24 billion. ..."
"... Rosneft likely cannot generate the cash to cover its investment, interest, and debt repayment obligations. ..."
Until recent weeks, the Russian government had some basis to
harbor hope that GDP, after contracting ~3.5 percent in 2015, would
return to growth within this two year window. As late as Q3 2015,
the IMF estimated that in 2016, GDP would grow, if only anemically
at below 1 percent.
Recent crude price action, however, has dashed such hopes and
instead has raised the prospect of a deeper and longer recession.
In a "stress" test it conducted in November, the Russian Central
Bank estimated that with Ural crude prices
below $40 per barrel between 2016-2018, the Russian economy
would contract five percent in 2016, inflation would run at 7-to-9
percent, and that these conditions "would also raise risks to
inflation and financial stability.
Central Bank efforts to stabilize the Ruble and contain
inflation are one reason the "stress" test results may prove
prescient. The plunge in crude prices is preventing the Central
Bank from easing monetary policy to stimulate the economy. Friday,
January 29, it announced that it would keep its benchmark interest
rate at 11 percent, to support the Ruble (which fell as low as
~R82.5/US$ last week before recovering to ~RUB75.5/US$ on January
29) and contain inflation. In its announcement, it noted that its
next move could be to raise rather than lower the benchmark rate,
were inflationary pressures to increase.
.... ... ...
The Russian government is also contemplating asset sales
(including part of its stake in Rosneft and in VTB, a major bank),
but such sales would provide one-time boosts to revenue and in any
case would take time to organize. Borrowing is a possibility, since
Russia's sovereign debt is low, but the Russian government can't
access U.S. and European capital markets, closed to it due to U.S.
and EU sanctions related to the conflict over Ukraine).
The Russian energy industry is also a target-and potentially a
lucrative one, given the structure of Russian taxes on the
industry. In 2015's first three quarters, for example, low crude
prices decreased the revenues the Russian government collected in
export customs duties from Rosneft, Russia's largest producer, by
RUB 520 billion (RUB 1058 billion to RUB 738 billion), while taxes
other than income taxes increased only RUB 80 billion, from RUB 919
billion to RUB 1009 billion).
It is therefore not surprising that in September, the Russian
Finance Ministry attempted to increase the mineral extraction tax.
Industry opposition and opposition from other Russian
ministries-citing the negative impact on investment and
output-forced it to back down (Venezuela is an example, admittedly
extreme, of what happens when government raids on industry revenues
to fund current operations squeezes investment). It proposed
instead to slow down the planned decrease in crude export duty rate
(from 42 percent to 36 percent. Also under consideration is a
windfall profits tax on Russian energy exporters benefitting from
the Ruble's depreciation.
Deteriorating Energy Industry Conditions
The situation of Russian energy producers is also difficult. The
Telegraph (UK) in early January quoted Russia's deputy finance
minister, Maxim Oreshkin, as telling TASS earlier this month that
low crude prices could lead to "hard and fast closures in coming
months." The article also said noted that in the key Soviet-era
fields in western Siberia, the annual rate of depletion is
averaging 8 percent to 11 percent, while new projects are being
curtailed.
According to the
Telegraph
[ article by Ambrose Evans-Pritchard ( 14 Jan 2016)], Transneft, the Russian crude and
product pipeline monopoly, estimated that Russian crude exports
could decrease in 2016 by some 460,000 barrels per day, based on
producer applications for pipeline capacity.
In an interview with TASS, the Russian news agency last week,
Lukoil Vice President Leonid Fedun commented that Lukoil
was unlikely to produce the one hundred million tons it
produced in 2015. He also said that it made more economic sense to
sell one barrel of oil for $50 than two barrels for $30.
Gazprom, Russia's natural gas giant, shows signs of stress. In
recent weeks, it has instituted a series of cuts in investments.
January 11, Reuters reported Gazprom cancelled one tender in
December and three tenders in January for work on the construction
of the Ukhta-Torzhok pipeline, a domestic key component of pipeline
system which will transport natural gas directly to Germany through
the Nord Stream II pipeline. According to Reuters, Gazprom Neft (of
which Gazprom is the majority shareholder) recently
terminated negotiations to acquire a 49 percent stake in
Vietnam's Binh Son Refining and Petrochemical, a subsidiary of
Vietnam's state-owned PetroVietnam.
A January 15
Reuters article quoted "sources close to Gazrpom" as saying
that Chinese economic problems and low energy prices have reduced
the volume of natural gas Gazprom expects to export to China via
the Power of Siberia pipeline-the project on which Gazprom has bet
its future-when it is completed. Given the already questionable
economics of the Power of Siberia project, reduced volumes will
intensify doubts about the project's financial viability and future
(Putin
Is Taking A Big Risk With China Gas Deals).
Overleveraged, Rosneft's Pain is Particularly Acute
The pain for Rosneft, the company which the Russian government
hoped would gain the size necessary to compete on equal terms with
Western oil majors, is particularly acute. As part of its effort to
gain scale, the company in 2013 took on massive debt-$40 billion
according to Reuters-to finance its acquisition of Russian
competitor TNK-BP for $55 billion.
To help pay down debt, Rosneft, also in 2013, concluded an
agreement with Chinese National Petroleum Corporation to supply 400
million metric tons of crude over twenty five years, under which
Rosneft was entitled to receive prepayment equal to 30 percent of
the contract's value (Rosneft received RUB 1027 billion in 2015
Q3).
At the end of Q3, Rosneft's net debt stood at $24 billion. Yet, Alexey Bulgakov, a fixed income analyst at Sberbank CIB
estimates that Rosneft may already have accessed the maximum amount
of cash it can under the deal, given the decline in price from
~$100-plus per barrel in 2013 to ~$30 per barrel now and the terms
of the agreement.
And, should crude prices remain at current levels, Rosneft
likely cannot generate the cash to cover its investment, interest,
and debt repayment obligations.
Russian government officials and energy producers argue that a
depreciating Ruble has attenuated the impact of lower crude prices,
since each US$ generates more Rubles, which is important given that
the bulk of their expenses are in Rubles. This, however, isn't the
only impact of a weak Ruble. It can also cause inflation, and this
has been the case in Russia.
Dalan McEndree has a BA in history, MA in European History, M.Phil. in Russian and Soviet
history, Soviet economics, and International economics, and MBA in finance and marketing. He also
studied at the East European Institute of Berlin's Free University and the U.S. Army Russian
Institute in Garmisch, Germany (now the George C. Marshall European Center for Security Studies).
His career has focused on the Soviet Union and Russia, and has included fifteen years in Russia
as a U.S. diplomat, in business, working both for international and Russian businesses, and in
consulting. He is also the author of several self-published Russia-focused murder mysteries, and
two satires.
The alleged Syrian peace process now enters its Geneva charade stage. This could last
months; get ready for lavish doses of posturing and bluster capable of stunning even Donald Trump.
The notion that Geneva may be able to impersonate Damascus in a suit-and-tie pantomime
is ludicrous to begin with. Even the UN envoy, the sartorially superb
Staffan
de Mistura, admits the Sisyphean task ahead - even if all relevant players were at the table.
Then we have Syrian "opposition figure" George Sabra announcing that no delegation from the
Riyadh-based High Negotiations Committee will be at the table in Geneva. As if Syrians needed
an "opposition" instrumentalized by Saudi Arabia.
So in the interest of providing context, here's an extremely concise recap of recent, crucial
facts on the Syrian ground which the "new capital" Geneva may ignore at its own peril.
Let's start with last summer, when Iranian Quds Force superstar commander Qasem Soleimani laid
down the law, in person, in Moscow, establishing without a doubt the grim situation across the
Syrian theater of war.
Essentially Soleimani told the Kremlin and Russian intelligence that Aleppo might be about
to fall; that Jabhat al-Nusra was at the doors of southern Damascus; that Idlib had fallen; and
Latakia - home to Russia's naval base at Tartus - would be next.
One can imagine the effect of this jolt of realpolitik on President Putin's mind. That clinched
his resolution to stop the fall of Syria, and prevent it from becoming a Libyan remix.
The Russian Air Force campaign turned out to be the ultimate game-changer.
It is in the process of securing the Damascus-Homs-Latakia-Hama-Aleppo network - the urban, developed
Western Syria that holds 70 percent of the country's population. ISIS/ISIL/Daesh and/or Jabhat
al-Nusra, a.k.a. al-Qaeda in Syria, have zero chances of taking over this territory. The rest
is mostly desert.
Jaysh al-Islam - a motley crew weaponized by Saudi Arabia - still holds a few positions north
of Damascus. That's containable. The country bumpkins in Daraa province, south of Damascus, could
only make a push towards the capital in an impossible 1991 Desert Storm context.
"Moderate rebels" - that Beltway concoction - did try to hold Homs and Al-Qusayr, cutting off
the resupply of Damascus. They were repelled. As for the gaggle of "moderate rebels" who took
all of Idlib province, they are being pounded mercilessly for four months now by the Russian Air
Force. Aleppo's southern front is also being secured.
Don't bomb "our" rebels
It's easy to pinpoint who's livid with all the Russian action: Saudi Arabia, Turkey and - last
but not least - the 'Empire of Chaos', all at the table in Geneva.
Jabhat al-Nusra - remote-controlled by Ayman al-Zawahiri - is intimately linked to a gaggle
of Salafi-jihadists in the Saudi-sponsored Army of Conquest, as well as tactically allied with
myriad outfits nominally grouped in the nearly extinct Free Syrian Army (FSA).
The CIA, using the Saudis for plausible deniability, fully weaponized "vetted" FSA outfits,
which received, among other things, TOW anti-tank missiles. Guess who "intercepted" virtually
all the weapons: Jabhat al-Nusra.
The follow-up was nothing short of hilarious: Washington, Ankara and Riyadh furiously denouncing
Moscow for bombing their "moderate rebels" and not ISIS/ISIL/Daesh.
Slowly but surely, the Syrian Arab Army (SAA), parallel to the Russian offensive, retook the
initiative. The "4+1" - Russia, Syria, Iran (Special Forces, many of them from Afghanistan), Iraq,
plus Hezbollah - started coordinating their efforts. Latakia Province - which hosts not only Tartus
but the Khmeimim Russian airbase - is now under total control by Damascus.
And that brings us to Ankara's nightmares. Russian Air Force smashed most of Ankara's Turkmen
proxies - heavily infiltrated by Turkish fascists - in northwest Syria. That was the key reason
for Sultan Erdogan's desperate move of shooting down the Su-24.
It's by now clear that the winners, as it stands, on the ground, are the "4+1", and the losers
are Saudi Arabia and Turkey. So no wonder the Saudis want at least some of their proxies at the
negotiating table in Geneva, while Turkey tries to change the subject by barring the Syrian Kurds:
these are accused of being terrorists, much more than ISIS/ISIL/Daesh.
Exit Geneva, enter Jarabulus
As if this was not messy enough, US 'Think Tankland' is now spinning there is an "understanding"
between Washington and Ankara for what will be, for all practical purposes, a Turkish invasion
of northern Syria, under the pretext of Ankara smashing ISIS/ISIL/Daesh in northern Aleppo.
This is utter nonsense. Ankara's game is three-pronged; prop up their heavily battered Turkmen
proxies; keep very much alive the corridor to Aleppo - a corridor that crucially includes the
Jihadi Highway between Turkey and Syria; and most of all prevent by all means necessary that YPG
Kurds bridge the gap from Afrin to Kobani and unite all three Syrian Kurd cantons near the Turkish
border.
None of this has anything to do with fighting ISISL/ISIL/Daesh. And the nuttiest part is that
Washington is actually assisting the Syrian Kurds with air support. Either the Pentagon supports
the Syrian Kurds or Erdogan's invasion of northern Syria; schizophrenia does not apply here.
A desperate Erdogan may be foolish enough to confront the Russian Air Force during his purported
"invasion". Putin is on the record saying response to any provocation will be immediate, and lethal.
To top it off, the Russians and Americans are actually coordinating airspace action in northern
Syria.
This is bound to be the next big thing, fully eclipsing the Geneva pantomime. The YPG and its
allies are planning a major attack to finally seize the 100-kilometer stretch of the Syria-Turkey
border still controlled by ISIS/ISIL/Daesh - thus reuniting their three cantons.
Erdogan was blunt; if the YPG pushes west of the Euphrates, it's war. Well, looks like war
then. The YPG is getting ready to attack the crucial towns of Jarabulus and Manbij. Russia most
certainly will aid the YPG to reconquer Jarabulus. And that will directly pit - once again - Turkey
against Russia on the ground.
Geneva? That's for tourists; the capital of the Syrian horror show is now Jarabulus.
"... Thanks to a great post from John Kemp from Reuters we now know who is behind the magically higher imports starting in 2015 and that continues. This incremental 500,000 barrels per day of imports has been the primary reason for why the U.S. market remains imbalanced (although not nearly as much as what is portrayed in media). ..."
"... The motives for Saudi Arabia's oil market strategies today – whether for vengeance, ego, politics or irrationality – cannot be known for sure. But it surely was not economics, given the price drop in 2015. A 50 percent drop in price on 9 million barrels per day (mb/d) was not made up by a 500,000 bpd [exports] increase. ..."
"... I should also note that almost all of the Saudi production ramp up in 2015 went to fuel this surge. We should recall a U.S. State Department visit to Saudi Arabia in late summer 2014 when all of this started, as the dollar rose and Russia Ruble imploded. In light of the recent EPA methane crack down and tax levy on U.S. wells, one has to wonder how much of a coincidence all this is, as there is clearly a war on fossil energy as the global warming agenda ramps up. ..."
The so-called experts know this yet they continue to cloud the issue with ideologically based
biased spin.
Thanks to a great post from John Kemp from Reuters we now know who is behind the magically
higher imports starting in 2015 and that continues. This incremental 500,000 barrels per day of imports
has been the primary reason for why the U.S. market remains imbalanced (although not nearly as much
as what is portrayed in media).
The motives for
Saudi Arabia's oil market strategies today – whether for vengeance, ego, politics or irrationality
– cannot be known for sure. But it surely was not economics, given the price drop in 2015. A 50 percent
drop in price on 9 million barrels per day (mb/d) was not made up by a 500,000 bpd [exports] increase.
I should also note that almost all of the Saudi production ramp up in 2015 went to fuel this
surge. We should recall a U.S. State Department visit to Saudi Arabia in late summer 2014 when all
of this started, as the dollar rose and Russia Ruble imploded. In light of the recent EPA methane
crack down and tax levy on U.S. wells, one has to wonder how much of a coincidence all this is, as
there is clearly a war on fossil energy as the global warming agenda ramps up.
"... As regards the future, I agree that Russia is on a plateau, with potential +/- 1-2% annual fluctuations around 2014-2015 average levels. ..."
"... Is it possible that there is some political bias in those reports by the Russian Oil Minister? ..."
"... Not any more likely than political bias by the EIA or NEB, imo. I think EIA numbers for the US are pretty good, NEBs numbers for Canada are best and the Russian Energy Ministry numbers for Russia would be best. ..."
"Russia peaked in January at 10,246,000 bpd and in Octber was down 106,000 bpd to 10,140,000 bpd.
Russia appears to be on a plateau, likely before a slow decline that begins in 2016."
Oh yes, the EIA doesn't know exactly how much oil is produced in the U.S., but they surely
know better than the Russian Energy Ministry what are production volumes in Russia.
As regards the future, I agree that Russia is on a plateau, with potential +/- 1-2% annual fluctuations
around 2014-2015 average levels.
Alex, the EIA depends entirely on other sources for its Russian oil production reports. This is
very similar to OPEC's "Secondary Sources". The EIA and JODI, for the last three years or so,
are extremely close with their Russian production numbers. They both report numbers well below
what the Russian Oil Minister reports. And they both often report a monthly decline in production
when the official Russian numbers report an increase in production.
Is it possible that there is some political bias in those reports by the Russian Oil Minister?
Not any more likely than political bias by the EIA or NEB, imo. I think EIA numbers for the
US are pretty good, NEB's numbers for Canada are best and the Russian Energy Ministry numbers
for Russia would be best.
Dennis, I do appreciate your input but sometimes you just try way too hard to be fair.
;-) What motive
would the EIA or the NEB have for fudging the numbers? And which way would they fudge them if
they did?
A perfect example: If you go to OPEC's
MOMR
and check the production numbers for each OPEC nation, you will find two different sets
of numbers. One set will be from "Secondary Sources" and the other set will be from "Direct Communication".
The direct communication numbers, for several countries, is always off by several hundred barrels
per day. For others the two sets of numbers are relatively close. The difference is some have
a motive for fudging the numbers, others do not. And also, secondary sources, such as Platts and
others, is almost always more accurate than the numbers produced by direct communication with
the country itself.
Also Dennis, I must ask, and this is very important, does the EIA or NEB have a reputation
of producing propaganda? Does the Soviet Government have a reputation of producing propaganda?
Now I do fault the EIA in some of their numbers. But they do not fudge the numbers deliberately.
But due to budget restraints or lack of a good data source they sometimes just seem to insert
a number. But there is no malicious intent here. They don't have a good number so they just use
the last good number they had… again.
As to those Russian numbers. JODI, when they reduced Russia's numbers significantly a few years
ago, was highly criticized for doing so. (They just brought them into line with what the EIA was
already reporting.) They said they had several sources for those numbers and stood by them. Now
the JODI numbers and the EIA numbers still vary but not by any significant amount. Prior to that
adjustment JODI had been using Russia's direct communication numbers.
Bottom line, I trust the EIA's and JODI's "Secondary Sources" far more than I trust Russia's
"Direct Communication".
You may not have noticed, but the Soviet Union no longer exists.
;-)
AlexS is very sharp, if the Russian Energy ministry was fudging its numbers he would be aware.
I have no evidence that the Russian Energy ministry is fudging any numbers and to assume otherwise
is a mistake in my opinion.
I agree the OPEC numbers based on direct communication may be fudged, there is no auditing
of OPEC data.
The Russians report in metric tonnes rather than barrels or cubic meters so the output numbers
depend on the appropriate average density of the oil.
The difference between US and Russian data may be a matter of how C5 is reported, in the US
C5 produced in the field is counted with crude and C5 produced in a natural gas processing plant
is considered NGL.
This is a strange distinction unique to the United States. In Canada all pentanes and pentanes
plus are grouped together regardless of where they are produced, perhaps Russia does the same.
If so, it is the US EIA which is not accounting for C+C properly rather than the Russians,
so I am being both fair and logical if my guess is correct.
I don't know Russian so I cannot read the Russian Energy Ministry website. Perhaps AlexS can
comment on how pentanes( and C5+) from natural gas processing plants in Russia are reported. Are
they included in C+C output numbers (similar to the way Canada reports its data)?
Hi AlexS. It would be nice to have a link to the source of that data. Looking at the discrepancy
to other datasets I work with, I would guess it is not reporting exactly the same products. The
EIA C+C dataset is pretty restrictive (as it should be), for instance, it only includes fossil
products that are stable in liquid state at the surface.
The numbers are in tons per months. I am using 7.3 barrels/ton ratio to convert into b/d. Condensate is included, but not NGLs.
More detailed data by each company and by each subsidiary of large vertically integrated companies
is available in the CDU TEK (a Russian analogue of the EIA) website, but it's not free.
These detailed numbers are republished in a number of Russian oil&gas industry journals (also
not free). Detailed monthly and annual averages in kb/d are also published by Energy Intelligence (paid site)
http://www.energyintel.com/pages/login.aspx?fid=art&DocId=913740
But they are using 7.33 conversion ratio, so their numbers in kb/d are slightly higher than mine.
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By reducing oil prices, Saudi Arabia is waging a secret war against Russia and Iran, according to
political analyst Bassam Tahhan.
In
an
interview with RT , political analyst Bassam Tahhan said that Saudi Arabia and the other countries
of the Gulf Cooperation Council are trying to force down oil prices in order to harm Iran and a number
of other oil-producing countries, including Russia.
"A secret war is being waged by
Saudi Arabia and Gulf Cooperation Council states which are slashing oil prices so as to strangle
Iran, Russia, Algeria and Venezuela, as well as the entire 'anti-American' axis created by these
countries," Tahhan said.
He explained that all those countries had refused to adhere to Washington's demands with regard
to
Ukraine , Syria and
Yemen .
According to Tahhan, the oil spat between Riyadh and Tehran is unlikely to lead to a war, given
Iran's military potential and the sheer territory of the country.
What's more, he said, Saudi Arabia will fail to prod the UN or the West to issue a resolution
to condemn Iran and authorize invasion of the country.
Rather, Saudi Arabia itself may be attacked by Iran's allies, such as Yemen, a scenario that Tahhan
said may see Saudi oil fields destroyed and oil prices rise.
At the same time, he noted that
the United States is unlikely to say "no" to the war between Saudi Arabia and Iran, because Washington
could supply arms to both parties to the conflict.
Earlier this month, international business analyst
Ralph Winnie told Sputnik that Saudi Arabia has dropped its oil prices to try and wreck the Iranian
economy and keep Tehran's oil exports out of major European markets.
"The Saudis are looking to gain a competitive advantage: this is a response to the lifting of
Western economic sanctions on Iran , which allow the Iranians to reenter the global energy marketplace,"
he said.
His remarks came after the Saudi oil giant Aramco announced that it would cut oil prices for Europe,
apparently in preparation for Iran's resumption of oil exports to the region later this year.
He was echoed by Executive Intelligence Review senior editor
Jeff Steinberg , who said in a separate interview with Sputnik that by slashing their oil prices,
the Saudis were targeting US and Russian oil producers as well as the Iranian ones.
"…the US need not push Russia into a corner, market forces are doing that work far more
efficiently."
I think you're confusing markets with the US government.
It is the fall in the price of oil in part caused by political decisions, and partly Obama's
illegal economic sanctions on Russia and US lies and propaganda and regime change directed at
Russia that are "efficiently" doing what they're doing.
Would be very surprised if Washington is successful with any of it's "market forces" regarding
Russia because Russia knows if it loses this matchup in Syria and retreats, the part that comes
next is it Uncle Sam funding ISIS like terrorists on Russian soil instead of Syria as it is now.
And if Russia can free itself of Western economic orthodoxy and dump the dollar, it will never
fear a falling Rubble so much ever again. Lets hope Putin orders a moving away of short term Russian
dollar holdings, so that a deliberate Russian default sees the West lose more in lost Russian
payments than it can seize in Russian assets held in their countries.
Then who would "market forces be efficiently working for"?
In broad simplified stroke, Russia is fighting on the side of the angels and US is the Darth
Vader of the world. The U.N. has said we have the biggest refugee crisis since WWII and the refugees
are all coming from nations the US is or has done regime change in. Aside for this meaning Obama
is directly responsible for the suffering if tens of millions of families and deaths of hundreds
of thousands, it also is producing maybe dangerous right wing political reactions in Europe.
The Russians are smart enough to know the difference between economic sanctions and military
threats and US funded/promoted terrorism. I've watched their actions long enough to trust them
to make sound, intelligent responses (though was disappointed Lavrov agreed to allow Obama&Co
funded Al-qaeda like terrorists to be included as legitimate political opponents of Assad in the
peace talks).
Kerry was probably disciplining her or rehabilitating her; there musts be a tempered new consensus
at State. You're coming with me Vicki and you are going to behave like a rational, sincere diplomat
because you've got some big fences to mend.
Victoria Nuland is a monstrous diplomat who has soufght to cause or caused untold harm in American-Russian
relations. She reflected Hillary Clinton's thinking and evidently reflects John Kerry's and ultimately
the President's thinking.
Victoria Nuland is a monstrous diplomat who has sought to cause or caused untold harm in American-Russian
relations. She reflected Hillary Clinton's thinking and evidently reflects John Kerry's and ultimately
the President's thinking. (I could care less about the shaking or not shaking. Nuland's presence
is a sign of disrespect to Russia and the Russians know that perfectly well. This post is needed
and excellent.)
I think her presence and her humiliation (notice Kerry left the room) are the equivalent of
an apology to Lavrov and Russia for her dingbat, destructive role in Ukraine.
Interesting, thanks. I think the article is worthy. I certainly could not blame Lavrov for
snubbing this horrid excuse for a human being. The Kaganate of Nuland represents a portion of
Obama's foreign policy and reflects what will be ahead should HRC win the election. The entire
Kagan family should not be hired to do this work on behalf of "We the People," but there they
are… doing their evil thing.
Perhaps Nuland thought Lavrov was a subject of some kind. She's probably too arrogant and stupid
to figure it out, but she has now encountered a legitimate opponent. When the day of reckoning
comes for her, she may learn what responsibility is.
Russia's Federal Statistics Service says the country's economy contracted 3.7 percent last
year. This corresponds to the prediction from the Economic Development Ministry.
Unemployment in Russia grew to 7.4 percent last year or 4.2 million jobless.
Retail trade turnover fell by 10 percent compared to the previous year at 27.6 trillion rubles
(or $452.5 billion at 61 rubles per dollar, average exchange rate in 2015). Capital investment
decreased by 8.4 percent to $230 billion.
Car manufacturing and industrial production have also seen a decline. In 2015, Russia's
automobile production was down 27.7 percent. Industrial production contracted 3.4 percent from
2014.
Positive news came from the agricultural sector. Preliminary estimates for agricultural
production show an increase of 3 percent to $82 billion. This figure includes data for all
farmers - from households to large holdings.
Last week, the International Monetary Fund predicted a 3.7 percent contraction for the Russian
economy in 2015. The IMF also forecast Russia's GDP to drop this year from negative 0.6 percent
to negative one percent.
In its 2016 outlook, the Economic Development Ministry is forecasting a 0.8 percent GDP fall
revising its previous projection of 0.7 percent growth, according to business daily Vedomosti.
The main reason for the downgrade is collapsing oil prices that have fallen $6 per barrel this
year to $31 which is still a rebound from last week's 12-year low of $26. Brent crude was trading
at $31.1 per barrel at 2:00pm GMT on Monday, while US WTI oil stood at $31.27
Tom Brite
As Russia's inflation reached double-digits last year, Russians saw their real wages
decline by 9.5 percent compared to 2014, data published by the Rosstat state statistics
service showed Monday.
In December 2015, real wages of Russians dropped 10 percent when compared to the same month
in 2014, according to Rosstat data. The average monthly salary in Russia last year was
30,311 rubles ($381).
"... Looking beneath the facade of the color revolutionary movement we also find a desire-based behavioral structure, in particular one that has been built upon historical lessons offered by social movements and periods of political upheaval. ..."
"... It then makes sense that the personnel of such operations include perception managers, PR firms, pollsters and opinion-makers in the social media. Through the operational infrastructure, these entities work in close coordination with intelligence agents, local and foreign activists, strategists and tacticians, tax-exempt foundations, governmental agencies, and a host of non- governmental organizations. ..."
"... Collectively, their job is to make a palace coup (of their sponsorship) seem like a social revolution; to help fill the streets with fearless demonstrators advocating on behalf of a government of their choosing, which then legitimizes the sham governments with the authenticity of popular democracy and revolutionary fervor. ..."
"... Their effectiveness is predicated on their ability to deceive, targeting both local populations and foreign audiences with highly-misleading interpretations of the underlying causes provoking these events. ..."
"... The American people must quickly learn the formula behind color revolutions, destabilizations, and the agendas of the world oligarchy before it becomes too late for us all. They must learn that simply because leaders appear to them, attempt to speak the same language and articulate rage does not mean that these leaders are men of the people. ..."
"... the wanton destruction of communities belonging to you or your neighbors is not only counterproductive, it produces rage that will be aimed back at you, and justifiably so. The entire country is being played like a fiddle. ..."
The relevance of the Soros connection may seem confusing to many. Certainly, however, no
one in their right mind will suggest that a man that has made his fortune bankrupting nations and
impoverishing their peoples lies awake at night wringing his hands over concerns for black people
in America.
Soros is most well-known for playing a major role in the funding and facilitating of the "Bulldozer
Revolution" in Serbia that overthrew Slobodan Milosevic in 2000, Georgia's "Rose Revolution"
of 2003, the 2006 push to move Turkey toward a more Islamist governing structure, and even the Occupy
movement in the United States among a great many others - none of which brought anything other than
greater misery, impoverishment, and police state mechanisms to bear on the general public. The Occupy
movement, being the only exception, still brought nothing to its participants except the opportunity
to burn off excess anger and energy along with a few cracked protester skulls. It was otherwise an
incredible waste of time.
Regardless, the methods being used by the Soros machine in terms of the #blacklivesmatter
and other related campaigns across the country are much the same as those used in Europe to usher
in greater austerity, police states, and fascism through government-coup and social protest
- i.e. a coordinated media campaign to provide the general public with a false perception of events
as well as a false narrative, the use of social media and slogans, and the deployment of "swarming
adolescents" in the streets.
When media campaigns alone are not enough, there are other methods that are able to be implemented
if need be. For instance, a
Mother Jones report revealed the fact that in some areas where rioting began, there appears to
have been a concerted effort on the part of the authorities to create an environment in which riots
would be inevitable. For example, in an instance where it was reported that teens in Baltimore attacked
police by throwing rocks, it was never mentioned that police had corralled these teens - who should
have been on their way home - off the bus and into an area in between the mall and the high school.
According to onlookers, it appeared that both the teens and the police were surprised at the situation
- the police surprised at the lack of violence and the teens surprised that they were kept from going
home. Eventually, rocks and bottles were reportedly thrown at police and the situation deteriorated
from there. Of course, the entire story was never fully reported in the mainstream press. Still,
while the rocks and bottles may have started from those in the crowd, others may justifiably wonder
if there were not provocateurs already placed simply waiting to cause violence as soon as the tension
had reached a boiling point. As it is, it is very likely that protesters and police alike were dupes
in a devious game.
Consider also the fact that the Baltimore authorities, despite implementing heavy-handed tactics
against high schoolers on their way home, allowed criminals, thieves, and violent thugs to prey upon
innocent people, private property, and communities for quite some time without a serious effort to
stop them. In fact, Baltimore Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake even openly admitted that the looters
were allowed to riot
when she stated that "We also gave those who wish to destroy space to do that as well." The police
were prevented from actually stopping the riots and were kept largely unequipped as well. In other
words, the riots were both allowed and encouraged until they had reached a boiling point
and the National Guard was called in.
Of course, the color revolution and destabilization is not merely some communiqué presented to
a small group of people that organically takes on a life of its own. There is an entire science behind
the application of a movement of destabilization both when it takes place overseas as well as when
it takes place domestically.
As Pottenger and Frieson of Color Revolutions and Geopolitics write,
Many are the professions that utilize this type of understanding, including (but not limited to)
marketing, advertising, public relations, politics and law-making, radio, television, journalism
and news, film, music, general business and salesmanship; each of them selling, branding, promoting,
entertaining, sloganeering, framing, explaining, creating friends and enemies, arguing likes and
dislikes, setting the boundaries of good and evil: in many cases using their talents to circumvent
their audiences' intellect, the real target being emotional, oftentimes even subconscious.
Looking beneath the facade of the color revolutionary movement we also find a desire-based
behavioral structure, in particular one that has been built upon historical lessons offered by
social movements and periods of political upheaval.
It then makes sense that the personnel of such operations include perception managers,
PR firms, pollsters and opinion-makers in the social media. Through the operational infrastructure,
these entities work in close coordination with intelligence agents, local and foreign activists,
strategists and tacticians, tax-exempt foundations, governmental agencies, and a host of non-
governmental organizations.
Collectively, their job is to make a palace coup (of their sponsorship) seem like a social
revolution; to help fill the streets with fearless demonstrators advocating on behalf of a government
of their choosing, which then legitimizes the sham governments with the authenticity of popular
democracy and revolutionary fervor.
Because the operatives perform much of their craft in the open, their effectiveness is heavily
predicated upon their ability to veil the influence backing them, and the long-term intentions
guiding their work.
Their effectiveness is predicated on their ability to deceive, targeting both local populations
and foreign audiences with highly-misleading interpretations of the underlying causes provoking
these events.
With this explanation in mind, consider the description provided by Ian Traynor of the Guardian
regarding the "revolutions" and "mass movements" which was taking place in Ukraine, Serbia, Belarus,
and Georgia in 2004 and the time of the writing of his article. Indeed, Traynor's depiction of the
methodology used by the Foundations, NGOs, and government agencies stirring up dissent and popular
revolt is equally illuminating.
Traynor writes,
In the centre of Belgrade, there is a dingy office staffed by computer-literate youngsters who
call themselves the Centre for Non-violent Resistance. If you want to know how to beat a regime
that controls the mass media, the judges, the courts, the security apparatus and the voting stations,
the young Belgrade activists are for hire.
They emerged from the anti-Milosevic student movement, Otpor, meaning resistance. The catchy,
single-word branding is important. In Georgia last year, the parallel student movement was Khmara.
In Belarus, it was Zubr. In Ukraine, it is Pora, meaning high time. Otpor also had a potent, simple
slogan that appeared everywhere in Serbia in 2000 - the two words "gotov je", meaning "he's finished",
a reference to Milosevic. A logo of a black-and-white clenched fist completed the masterful marketing.
In Ukraine, the equivalent is a ticking clock, also signalling that the Kuchma regime's days
are numbered.
Stickers, spray paint and websites are the young activists' weapons. Irony and street comedy
mocking the regime have been hugely successful in puncturing public fear and enraging the powerful.
These slogans and symbols are the product of mass marketers employed by State Departments and
intelligence agencies for the sole purpose of destabilizing and/or overthrowing a democratically
elected or unfavorable (to the oligarchy)government.
The details and techniques of the manipulation of mass numbers of people have only continued to become
more and more advanced and sophisticated, particularly with the advent of social media.
As Jonathan Mowat wrote,
As in the case of the new communication technologies, the potential effectiveness of angry youth
in postmodern coups has long been under study. As far back as 1967, Dr. Fred Emery, then director
of the Tavistock Institute, and an expert on the "hypnotic effects" of television, specified that
the then new phenomenon of "swarming adolescents" found at rock concerts could be effectively
used to bring down the nation-state by the end of the 1990s. This was particularly the case, as
Dr. Emery reported in "The next thirty years: concepts, methods and anticipations,'' in the group's
"Human Relations," because the phenomena was associated with "rebellious hysteria." The British
military created the Tavistock Institute as its psychological warfare arm following World War
I; it has been the forerunner of such strategic planning ever since. Dr. Emery's concept saw immediate
application in NATO's use of "swarming adolescents" in toppling French President Charles De Gaulle
in 1967.[1]
[...]
In November 1989, Case Western Reserve in Cleveland, Ohio, under the aegis of that university's
"Program for Social Innovations in Global Management," began a series of conferences to review
progress towards that strategic objective, which was reported on in "Human Relations" in 1991.
There, Dr. Howard Perlmutter, a professor of "Social Architecture'' at the Wharton School, and
a follower of Dr. Emery, stressed that "rock video in Kathmandu," was an appropriate image of
how states with traditional cultures could be destabilized, thereby creating the possibility of
a "global civilization." There are two requirements for such a transformation, he added, "building
internationally committed networks of international and locally committed organizations,'' and
"creating global events" through "the transformation of a local event into one having virtually
instantaneous international implications through mass-media."[2]
The American people must quickly learn the formula behind color revolutions,
destabilizations, and the agendas of the world oligarchy before it becomes too late for us all.
They must learn that simply because "leaders" appear to them, attempt to speak the same language
and articulate rage does not mean that these leaders are men of the people.
Protests are necessary. Directed rage may also be necessary. But the wanton destruction of communities
belonging to you or your neighbors is not only counterproductive, it produces rage that will be aimed
back at you, and justifiably so. The entire country is being played like a fiddle. Baltimore is not
an isolated collection of dupes, it is a microcosm. It is time the American people wise up and become
street smart before it is too late.
"... The senior Senator from Kentucky is scheming, along with Sen. Lindsey Graham, to bypass normal Senate procedure to fast-track legislation to grant the president the authority to wage unlimited war for as long as he or his successors may wish. ..."
"... The legislation makes the unconstitutional Iraq War authorization of 2002 look like a walk in the park. It will allow this president and future presidents to wage war against ISIS without restrictions on time, geographic scope, or the use of ground troops. ..."
"... President Obama has already far surpassed even his predecessor, George W. Bush, in taking the country to war without even the fig leaf of an authorization. ..."
"... Instead of impeachment, which he deserved for the disastrous Libya invasion, Congress said nothing. House Republicans only managed to bring the subject up when they thought they might gain political points exploiting the killing of US Ambassador Chris Stevens in Benghazi. ..."
"... Vice President Joe Biden said that if the upcoming peace talks in Geneva are not successful, the US is prepared for a massive military intervention in Syria. Such an action would likely place the US military face to face with the Russian military, whose assistance was requested by the Syrian government. In contrast, we must remember that the US military is operating in Syria in violation of international law. ..."
"... At the insistence of Saudi Arabia and with US backing, the representatives of the Syrian opposition at the Geneva peace talks will include members of the Army of Islam, which has fought with al-Qaeda in Syria. Does anyone expect these kinds of people to compromise? Isn't al-Qaeda supposed to be our enemy? ..."
"... The purpose of the Legislative branch of our government is to restrict the Executive branch's power. The Founders understood that an all-powerful king who could wage war at will was the greatest threat to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That is why they created a people's branch, the Congress, to prevent the emergence of an all-powerful autocrat to drag the country to endless war. Sadly, Congress is surrendering its power to declare war. ..."
While the Washington snowstorm dominated news coverage this week, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell
was operating behind the scenes to rush through the Senate what may be the most massive transfer
of power from the Legislative to the Executive branch in our history. The senior Senator from
Kentucky is scheming, along with Sen. Lindsey Graham, to bypass normal Senate procedure to fast-track
legislation to grant the president the authority to wage unlimited war for as long as he or his successors
may wish.
The legislation makes the unconstitutional Iraq War authorization of 2002 look
like a walk in the park. It will allow this president and future presidents to wage war against ISIS
without restrictions on time, geographic scope, or the use of ground troops. It is a completely
open-ended authorization for the president to use the military as he wishes for as long as he (or
she) wishes. Even President Obama has expressed concern over how willing Congress is to hand him
unlimited power to wage war.
President Obama has already far surpassed even his predecessor, George W. Bush, in taking
the country to war without even the fig leaf of an authorization. In 2011 the president invaded
Libya, overthrew its government, and oversaw the assassination of its leader, without even bothering
to ask for Congressional approval. Instead of impeachment, which he deserved for the disastrous
Libya invasion, Congress said nothing. House Republicans only managed to bring the subject up when
they thought they might gain political points exploiting the killing of US Ambassador Chris Stevens
in Benghazi.
It is becoming more clear that Washington plans to expand its war in the Middle East. Last week
the media reported that the US military had taken over an air base in eastern Syria, and Defense
Secretary Ashton Carter said that the US would send in the 101st Airborne Division to retake Mosul
in Iraq and to attack ISIS headquarters in Raqqa, Syria. Then on Saturday, Vice President Joe
Biden said that if the upcoming peace talks in Geneva are not successful, the US is prepared for
a massive military intervention in Syria. Such an action would likely place the US military face
to face with the Russian military, whose assistance was requested by the Syrian government. In contrast,
we must remember that the US military is operating in Syria in violation of international law.
The prospects of such an escalation are not all that far-fetched. At the insistence of Saudi
Arabia and with US backing, the representatives of the Syrian opposition at the Geneva peace talks
will include members of the Army of Islam, which has fought with al-Qaeda in Syria. Does anyone expect
these kinds of people to compromise? Isn't al-Qaeda supposed to be our enemy?
The purpose of the Legislative branch of our government is to restrict the Executive branch's
power. The Founders understood that an all-powerful king who could wage war at will was the greatest
threat to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That is why they created a people's branch,
the Congress, to prevent the emergence of an all-powerful autocrat to drag the country to endless
war. Sadly, Congress is surrendering its power to declare war.
Let's be clear: If Senate Majority Leader McConnell succeeds in passing this open-ended war authorization,
the US Constitution will be all but a dead letter.
"... And yet the alliance persists, kept afloat on a sea of Saudi money and a recognition of mutual self-interest. In addition to Saudi Arabia's vast oil reserves and role as the spiritual anchor of the Sunni Muslim world, the long intelligence relationship helps explain why the United States has been reluctant to openly criticize Saudi Arabia for its human rights abuses ..."
"... Although the Saudis have been public about their help arming rebel groups in Syria, the extent of their partnership with the CIA's covert action campaign and their direct financial support had not been disclosed. Details were pieced together in interviews with a half-dozen current and former American officials and sources from several Persian Gulf countries. Most spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the program. ..."
"... Months later, Mr. Obama gave his approval for the CIA to begin directly arming and training the rebels from a base in Jordan, amending the Timber Sycamore program to allow lethal assistance. Under the new arrangement, the CIA took the lead in training, while Saudi Arabia's intelligence agency, the General Intelligence Directorate, provided money and weapons, including TOW anti-tank missiles. ..."
"... The Qataris have also helped finance the training and allowed a Qatari base to be used as an additional training location. But American officials said Saudi Arabia was by far the largest contributor to the operation. While the Obama administration saw this coalition as a selling point in Congress, some, including Senator Ron Wyden, an Oregon Democrat, raised questions about why the CIA needed Saudi money for the operation, according to one former American official. Mr. Wyden declined to be interviewed, but his office released a statement calling for more transparency. "Senior officials have said publicly that the U.S. is trying to build up the battlefield capabilities of the anti-Assad opposition, but they haven't provided the public with details about how this is being done, which U.S. agencies are involved, or which foreign partners those agencies are working with," the statement said. ..."
"... While the Saudis have financed previous CIA missions with no strings attached, the money for Syria comes with expectations, current and former officials said. "They want a seat at the table, and a say in what the agenda of the table is going to be," said Bruce Riedel, a former CIA analyst and now a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution . ..."
"... "The more that the argument becomes, 'We need them as a counterterrorism partner,' the less persuasive it is," said William McCants, a former State Department counterterrorism adviser and the author of a book on the Islamic State . "If this is purely a conversation about counterterrorism cooperation, and if the Saudis are a big part of the problem in creating terrorism in the first place, then how persuasive of an argument is it?" ..."
"... Prince Mohammed bin Nayef, the Saudi interior minister who took over the effort to arm the Syrian rebels from Prince Bandar, has known the CIA director, John O. Brennan, from the time Mr. Brennan was the agency's Riyadh station chief in the 1990s. Former colleagues say the two men remain close, and Prince Mohammed has won friends in Washington with his aggressive moves to dismantle terrorist groups like Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. ..."
"... The roots of the relationship run deep. In the late 1970s, the Saudis organized what was known as the "Safari Club" - a coalition of nations including Morocco, Egypt and France - that ran covert operations around Africa at a time when Congress had clipped the CIA's wings over years of abuses. ..."
"... In the 1980s, the Saudis helped finance CIA operations in Angola, where the United States backed rebels against the Soviet-allied government. While the Saudis were staunchly anticommunist, Riyadh's primary incentive seemed to be to solidify its CIA ties. "They were buying good will," recalled one former senior intelligence officer who was involved in the operation. ..."
"... In perhaps the most consequential episode, the Saudis helped arm the mujahedeen rebels to drive the Soviets out of Afghanistan. The United States committed hundreds of millions of dollars each year to the mission, and the Saudis matched it, dollar for dollar. ..."
"... Prince Bandar pledged $1 million per month to help fund the contras, in recognition of the administration's past support to the Saudis. The contributions continued after Congress cut off funding to the contras. By the end, the Saudis had contributed $32 million, paid through a Cayman Islands bank account. ..."
WASHINGTON - When President Obama secretly authorized the
Central Intelligence Agency to begin arming
Syria 's embattled rebels in 2013, the spy agency knew it would have a willing partner to help
pay for the covert operation. It was the same partner the
CIA has relied on for decades for money and discretion in far-off conflicts: the Kingdom of
Saudi Arabia .
Since then, the CIA and its Saudi counterpart have maintained an unusual arrangement for the
rebel-training mission, which the Americans have code-named Timber Sycamore. Under the deal, current
and former administration officials said, the Saudis contribute both weapons and large sums of money,
and the CIA takes the lead in training the rebels on AK-47 assault rifles and tank-destroying missiles.
The support for the Syrian rebels is only the latest chapter in the decadeslong relationship between
the spy services of
Saudi Arabia and the United States, an alliance that has endured through the Iran-contra scandal,
support for the mujahedeen against the Soviets in Afghanistan and proxy fights in Africa. Sometimes,
as in
Syria , the two countries have worked in concert. In others, Saudi Arabia has simply written
checks underwriting American covert activities.
Decades of Discreet Cooperation
The joint arming and training program, which other Middle East nations contribute money to, continues
as America's relations with Saudi Arabia - and the kingdom's place in the region - are in flux. The
old ties of cheap oil and geopolitics that have long bound the countries together have loosened as
America's dependence on foreign oil declines and the Obama administration tiptoes toward a diplomatic
rapprochement with Iran.
And yet the alliance persists, kept afloat on a sea of Saudi money and a recognition of mutual
self-interest. In addition to Saudi Arabia's vast oil reserves and role as the spiritual anchor of
the Sunni Muslim world, the long intelligence relationship helps explain why the United States has
been reluctant to openly criticize Saudi Arabia for its human rights abuses, its treatment of
women and its support for the
extreme strain of Islam, Wahhabism , that has inspired many of the very terrorist groups the
United States is fighting. The Obama administration did not publicly condemn Saudi Arabia's
public beheading this month of a dissident Shiite cleric, Sheikh Nimr al-Nimr, who had challenged
the royal family.
Although the Saudis have been public about their help arming rebel groups in Syria, the extent
of their partnership with the CIA's covert action campaign and their direct financial support
had not been disclosed. Details were pieced together in interviews with a half-dozen current and
former American officials and sources from several Persian Gulf countries. Most spoke on the condition
of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the program.
From the moment the CIA operation was started, Saudi money supported it.
"They understand that they have to have us, and we understand that we have to have them," said
Mike Rogers, the former Republican congressman from Michigan who was chairman of the
House Intelligence Committee when the
CIA operation began. Mr. Rogers declined to discuss details of the classified program.
American officials have not disclosed the amount of the Saudi contribution, which is by far the
largest from another nation to the program to arm the rebels against President Bashar al-Assad's
military. But estimates have put the total cost of the arming and training effort at several billion
dollars.
The White House has embraced the covert financing from Saudi Arabia - and from Qatar, Jordan and
Turkey - at a time when Mr. Obama has pushed gulf nations to take a greater security role in the
region.
Spokesmen for both the CIA and the Saudi Embassy in Washington declined to comment.
When Mr. Obama signed off on
arming the rebels in the spring of 2013, it was partly to try to gain control of the apparent
free-for-all in the region. The Qataris and the Saudis had been funneling weapons into Syria for
more than a year. The Qataris had even smuggled in
shipments of Chinese-made FN-6 shoulder-fired missiles over the border from Turkey.
The Saudi efforts were led by the flamboyant Prince Bandar bin Sultan, at the time the intelligence
chief, who directed Saudi spies to buy thousands of AK-47s and millions of rounds of ammunition in
Eastern Europe for the Syrian rebels. The CIA helped arrange some of the arms purchases for the
Saudis, including a large deal in Croatia in 2012.
By the summer of 2012, a freewheeling feel had taken hold along Turkey's border with Syria as
the gulf nations funneled cash and weapons to rebel groups - even some that American officials were
concerned had ties to radical groups like Al Qaeda.
The CIA was mostly on the sidelines during this period, authorized by the White House under
the Timber Sycamore training program to deliver nonlethal aid to the rebels but not weapons. In late
2012, according to two former senior American officials, David H. Petraeus, then the CIA director,
delivered a stern lecture to intelligence officials of several gulf nations at a meeting near the
Dead Sea in Jordan. He chastised them for sending arms into Syria without coordinating with one another
or with CIA officers in Jordan and Turkey.
Months later, Mr. Obama gave his approval for the CIA to begin directly arming and training
the rebels from a base in Jordan, amending the Timber Sycamore program to allow lethal assistance.
Under the new arrangement, the CIA took the lead in training, while Saudi Arabia's intelligence
agency, the General Intelligence Directorate, provided money and weapons, including TOW anti-tank
missiles.
The Qataris have also helped finance the training and allowed a Qatari base to be used as
an additional training location. But American officials said Saudi Arabia was by far the largest
contributor to the operation. While the Obama administration saw this coalition as a selling point
in Congress, some, including Senator Ron Wyden, an Oregon Democrat, raised questions about why the
CIA needed Saudi money for the operation, according to one former American official. Mr. Wyden
declined to be interviewed, but his office released a statement calling for more transparency. "Senior
officials have said publicly that the U.S. is trying to build up the battlefield capabilities of
the anti-Assad opposition, but they haven't provided the public with details about how this is being
done, which U.S. agencies are involved, or which foreign partners those agencies are working with,"
the statement said.
When relations among the countries involved in the training program are strained, it often falls
to the United States to broker solutions. As the host, Jordan expects regular payments from the Saudis
and the Americans. When the Saudis pay late, according to a former senior intelligence official,
the Jordanians complain to CIA officials.
While the Saudis have financed previous CIA missions with no strings attached, the money
for Syria comes with expectations, current and former officials said. "They want a seat at the table,
and a say in what the agenda of the table is going to be," said Bruce Riedel, a former CIA analyst
and now a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution
.
The CIA training program is separate from another program to arm Syrian rebels, one the Pentagon
ran that has since ended. That program was designed to train rebels to combat Islamic State fighters
in Syria, unlike the CIA's program, which focuses on rebel groups fighting the Syrian military.
While the intelligence alliance is central to the Syria fight and has been important in the war
against Al Qaeda, a constant irritant in American-Saudi relations is just how much Saudi citizens
continue to support terrorist groups, analysts said.
"The more that the argument becomes, 'We need them as a counterterrorism partner,' the less
persuasive it is," said William McCants, a former State Department counterterrorism adviser and the
author of a book
on the Islamic State . "If this is purely a conversation about counterterrorism cooperation,
and if the Saudis are a big part of the problem in creating terrorism in the first place, then how
persuasive of an argument is it?"
In the near term, the alliance remains solid, strengthened by a bond between spy masters.
Prince Mohammed bin Nayef, the Saudi interior minister who took over the effort to arm the Syrian
rebels from Prince Bandar, has known the CIA director, John O. Brennan, from the time Mr. Brennan
was the agency's Riyadh station chief in the 1990s. Former colleagues say the two men remain close,
and Prince Mohammed has won friends in Washington with his aggressive moves to dismantle terrorist
groups like Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula.
The job Mr. Brennan once held in Riyadh is, more than the ambassador's, the true locus of American
power in the kingdom. Former diplomats recall that the most important discussions always flowed through
the CIA station chief.
Current and former intelligence officials say there is a benefit to this communication channel:
The Saudis are far more responsive to American criticism when it is done in private, and this secret
channel has done more to steer Saudi behavior toward America's interests than any public chastising
could have.
The roots of the relationship run deep. In the late 1970s, the Saudis organized what was known
as the "Safari Club" - a coalition of nations including Morocco, Egypt and France - that ran covert
operations around Africa at a time when Congress had clipped the CIA's wings over years of abuses.
"And so the kingdom, with these countries, helped in some way, I believe, to keep the world safe
at a time when the United States was not able to do that," Prince Turki al-Faisal, a former head
of Saudi intelligence, recalled in a speech at Georgetown University in 2002.
In the 1980s, the Saudis helped finance CIA operations in Angola, where the United States
backed rebels against the Soviet-allied government. While the Saudis were staunchly anticommunist,
Riyadh's primary incentive seemed to be to solidify its CIA ties. "They were buying good will,"
recalled one former senior intelligence officer who was involved in the operation.
In perhaps the most consequential episode, the Saudis helped arm the mujahedeen rebels to
drive the Soviets out of Afghanistan. The United States committed hundreds of millions of dollars
each year to the mission, and the Saudis matched it, dollar for dollar.
The money flowed through a CIA-run Swiss bank account. In the book "
Charlie
Wilson's War ," the journalist George Crile III describes how the CIA arranged for the account
to earn no interest, in keeping with the Islamic ban on usury.
In 1984, when the Reagan administration sought help with its secret plan to sell arms to Iran
to finance the contra rebels in Nicaragua, Robert C. McFarlane, the national security adviser, met
with Prince Bandar, who was the Saudi ambassador to Washington at the time. The White House made
it clear that the Saudis would "gain a considerable amount of favor" by cooperating, Mr. McFarlane
later recalled.
Prince Bandar pledged $1 million per month to help fund the contras, in recognition of the
administration's past support to the Saudis. The contributions continued after Congress cut off funding
to the contras. By the end, the Saudis had contributed $32 million, paid through a Cayman Islands
bank account.
When the Iran-contra scandal broke, and questions arose about the Saudi role, the kingdom kept
its secrets. Prince Bandar refused to cooperate with the investigation led by
Lawrence E. Walsh , the independent counsel.
In a letter, the prince declined to testify, explaining that his country's "confidences and commitments,
like our friendship, are given not just for the moment but the long run."
"... While playing down the importance of government gains, Saleh said military aid from the rebels' foreign backers - including Saudi Arabia and Turkey - was not enough to confront offensives that are also backed on the ground by Iran. ..."
"... These are among the difficulties facing the FSA on the ground especially since the aerial bombing is affecting some headquarters, equipment, cars and personnel ..."
... The government last week made one of its most significant
gains since the start of the Russian intervention, capturing the town of Salma in Latakia province.
While recent gains do not appear to mark a tipping point in the conflict, with rebels fighting
back and regaining positions in some places, insurgents describe high levels of attrition on the
front lines of western Syria.
Officials close to Damascus say sealing the northwestern border with Turkey is the priority. A
Syrian military source said rebel supply lines from Turkey, which backs the insurgents, were under
pressure from Russian and Syrian air strikes.
... ... ...
"Most opposition-held areas turned to defense because of the huge mobilization by Russians troops
and the use of a large number of planes with unlimited munitions," said Jamil al-Saleh, commander
of a rebel Free Syrian Army (FSA) group.
While playing down the importance of government gains, Saleh said military aid from the rebels'
foreign backers - including Saudi Arabia and Turkey - was not enough to confront offensives that
are also backed on the ground by Iran.
"These are among the difficulties facing the FSA on the ground especially since the aerial
bombing is affecting some headquarters, equipment, cars and personnel and the aid given is little
compared to the ferocious attack," he told Reuters.
Saudi Arabia's support for the opposition has yet to be translated into the kind of heavier weapons
the rebels are seeking, notably anti-aircraft missiles.
The military source, speaking on condition of anonymity, said rebels were suffering from the destruction
of their weapons depots, made possible by good intelligence. Their appeals for more support showed
they had "lost a lot of field capacities", the source said.
"... The national currency declined by 2 percent to 79.1 rubles to the dollar in Moscow, its lowest trading level since December 2014. ..."
"... Russia is running a budget deficit of 3 percent of GDP this year, and the government is looking to cut 10 percent from the federal budget, which was drafted with oil prices of $50 a barrel in mind. ..."
"... The government has recently downgraded its economy forecast for this year, from 0.7 percent growth to a 0.8 percent decline. ..."
MOSCOW - The Russian ruble, battered by weak oil prices, on Monday fell to an all-time low against
the euro and dropped to its lowest level in more than a year against the dollar.
The Central Bank set the official exchange rate at over 85 rubles to the euro on Monday. The
national currency declined by 2 percent to 79.1 rubles to the dollar in Moscow, its lowest trading
level since December 2014.
Oil, the mainstay of the Russian economy, recently plummeted to under $30 a barrel, a 13-year
low. The ruble is also under pressure from economic sanctions that the West imposed on Russia for
its involvement in the Ukraine crisis.
Russia is running a budget deficit of 3 percent of GDP this year, and the government is looking
to cut 10 percent from the federal budget, which was drafted with oil prices of $50 a barrel in mind.
All Russian ministries are expected to present their proposed cuts by the end of the month with
a view to cutting 500 billion rubles ($6.3 billion) in government expenses, Finance Minister Anton
Siluanov said.
Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev, in televised comments on Monday, said that the government finds
the price of oil "difficult to predict" and that Russia should use this moment to diversify its economy
away from oil since it "has got a chance now to do it as quickly as possible."
The government has recently downgraded its economy forecast for this year, from 0.7 percent
growth to a 0.8 percent decline.
Deputy Prime Minister Arkady Dvorkovich told Russian news agencies in Hong Kong that the government
and monetary officials are discussing ways to spur growth and hoping GDP will be flat this year compared
with 2015.
"... Supreme Leader Ali Khameini has said Iran isn't ready to make big deals with U.S. oil companies. ..."
"... The current market turmoil has created a once in a generation opportunity for savvy energy investors. Whilst the mainstream media prints scare stories of oil prices falling through the floor smart investors are setting up their next winning oil plays. ..."
As the lifting of sanctions neared, it appeared that Iran, about to be re-integrated into the world
economy, was
tilting
toward closer relations with Russia, not with the United States. For example, until Saturday
Iran showed no inclination to release the American prisoners it was holding, and Supreme Leader Ali Khameini has said Iran isn't ready to make big deals with U.S. oil companies.
Meanwhile, Iran's
ties to Russia seemed to be warming. First, President Vladimir Putin was a special guest at the Nov.
23 Tehran summit of gas-exporting countries. Moscow has also been considering extending two loans
to the Iranian government worth a total of $7 billion, and Russia will equip Iran with modern air-defense
systems, according to country's financial daily, Kommersant.
Finally, Iran Shipbuilding & Offshore Industries Complex Co. (ISOICO) has reached a tentative
deal with the Russian shipyard Krasnye Barrikady, or Red Barricades, to cooperate in the construction
of oil rigs and share technology.
The current market turmoil has created a once in a generation opportunity for savvy energy investors.
Whilst the mainstream media prints scare stories of oil prices falling through the floor smart investors
are setting up their next winning oil plays.
If all these deals with Russia come to pass, Tehran and Moscow likely will fast become economic
and political allies, while the United States, and especially its large corporations, appear to be
left out of Iran's economic rebirth. Further, critics of the nuclear deal with Iran said that to
engage Tehran rather than fight it would merely make Iran twice the threat it already is to an unstable
Middle East.
Throughout the Vienna negotiations, the Obama administration argued exactly the opposite, that
to engage Iran was the best way to soften, if not eliminate, its hostility to the West, just as President
Richard Nixon's overtures to China in 1972 turned Beijing from a communist adversary into what President
George W. Bush once described as a "strategic competitor."
Looks like Iran if far from safe even after sanctions were lifted...
Notable quotes:
"... The idea that were the exceptional nation and have something very important to impart to the rest of the world, our marvelous values, American exceptionalism... Each party believes in that very strongly. They dont argue about that at all, except through their campaign debate, theyll take certain opposing views just to appear different. But, in power, they have the exact same policy – world domination. ..."
"... NATO is just an arm of the U.S. foreign policy, theres no point actually in making a distinction between US foreign policy and NATO policy – they are the same. If US were not in NATO, NATO would not exist. US founded NATO, US is its main supporter and financial source, theres no distinction between US and NATO, and they share the same view of American world domination. So, it doesnt matter whether Iran is doing this or that – they know that Iran is not a lover of an Empire, and anyone whos not a lover of the Empire has a short life span. Iran, Venezuela, Cuba, whatever. That is the test, do you love Empire or not. ..."
"... Because Russia has two characteristics of an enemy, which Washington cannot tolerate: one, it has very powerful military capabilities, and two, it is not a kind of Washingtons policy, it is not a great admirer of the Empire. The same applies to China. Thats all it takes: you dont admire us and have military force – thats all it takes to be an enemy of Washington. ..."
"... Washington is not looking for peace or war. It is looking for domination, and if they can achieve domination peacefully – thats fine. If they cant, theyll use war. Its that simple. ..."
"... They are still supporting the enemies of Syria, and they are making sure that Assad will not come back to power. They are bombing places all over Syria, which can be useful militarily to Syria. They have not forgotten about Syria at all. Iraq is ally at the moment, but tomorrow or yesterday it is something different. You cant just look at today and say "theyre not fighting here and there" and think "Oh, Washington has finally found peace". No. Their basic goal is unchanged – today, tomorrow, or next year. I must say, again, for the tenth time, it is world domination. ..."
"... The US has created ISIS. Let me point this out – a short while ago, there were four major states in the Middle East and South Asia, which were secular. The US invaded Iraq, then invaded Libya and overthrew that secular government. Then its been in the process now, for some years, attempting to overthrow the secular government in Syria. Theres no wonder that Middle East and South Asia have been taken over by religious fanatics: all the possible enemies and barriers to that had been wiped out by Washington. Why will they stop now? ..."
"... Well, I could say "yes", except that the US will cheat. They will use the same force to attack other people, like in Syria, they will use the same force to help overthrow Assad, and they will use the same force to suppress any segment of Iraq or what have you, which are anti-America. They cannot be trusted, thats the problem. When they start to use force, theres no holding them back, and they dont care about the civilians. The civilian death toll with any bombing of Syria and Iraq is unlimited. So, for those reasons, I cannot support US bombing of Iraq or Syria or anywhere else. The US bombing should cease everywhere in the world. ..."
Obama's time as leader of the US is coming to an end - his term concludes next year. Wannabe presidents
have already joined the race to the White House. And as President Obama goes through the final year
of his rule, Washington suddenly changes its tone – now Iran is an appropriate nation to talk to,
and it's okay to meet with Cuban and Venezuelan leaders. But what is in that change? Has Washington
finally dropped its previous policies? What does Obama want to achieve? And will the new, as yet
unknown, leader of America make any difference? We pose these questions to prominent historian, author
of bestsellers on US foreign policies, William Blum, who is on Sophie&Co today.
Sophie Shevardnadze :William Blum, historian and author of bestsellers like "Rogue State" and "America's
Deadliest Export", welcome to the show, it's great to have you with us. Now, Hillary Clinton has
announced she's running to become the Democrats' presidential candidate; Jeb Bush is also likely
to put his bit forward for the Republicans. Now, Bush, Clinton – we've been here before. Who would
be better candidate do you think? Not just for the U.S., but also for the world, like, global peace
efforts, for instance?
William Blum: I don't think US foreign policy will change at all, regardless of who is in the
White House, Bush or Clinton, or who else is running. Our policy does not change... I can add Obama
to that. It wouldn't even matter which party it is, Republican or Democrat, they have the same foreign
policy.
SS: Why do you think it's the same policy for both parties? Why do you think they are not different
from each other?
WB: Because America, for two centuries has had one basic, overriding goal, and that is world domination,
at least from 1890s if not earlier, one can say that. World domination is something which appeals
to both Republicans and Democrats or Liberals or Conservatives. The idea that we're the exceptional
nation and have something very important to impart to the rest of the world, our marvelous values,
American exceptionalism... Each party believes in that very strongly. They don't argue about that
at all, except through their campaign debate, they'll take certain opposing views just to appear
different. But, in power, they have the exact same policy – world domination.
SS: Now back in 2009 President Obama made it clear that the missile shield in Europe would no
longer be necessary if the threat from Iran was eliminated – and nuclear deal with Iran was struck.
Now, historic deal is close, but NATO is saying there will be no change in missile shield plans –
why not?
WB: Because NATO shares America's desire to dominate the world. NATO is just an arm of the
U.S. foreign policy, there's no point actually in making a distinction between US foreign policy
and NATO policy – they are the same. If US were not in NATO, NATO would not exist. US founded NATO,
US is its main supporter and financial source, there's no distinction between US and NATO, and they
share the same view of American world domination. So, it doesn't matter whether Iran is doing this
or that – they know that Iran is not a lover of an Empire, and anyone who's not a lover of the Empire
has a short life span. Iran, Venezuela, Cuba, whatever. That is the test, do you love Empire or not.
SS: But, can we be a little bit more precise about this "domination" theory – NATO has been strengthening
its eastern borders with military building up on Russia's doorsteps, and a rapid reaction force to
include 30,000 personnel – why this deployment? Who is it aimed against?
WB: It is aimed against Russia. The US cannot stand anyone who might stay in the way of the Empire's
expansion – and Russia and China are the only nations which can do that. Other nations, like Cuba
or Iran or Venezuela are regarded as enemy just as well, because they have the polity influence:
Cuba has influence over all of the Western hemisphere. That makes them a great enemy. But the basic
criteria of Empire's expansion is whether you support Empire or not, and that excludes all the countries
I've named – from Cuba to Russia.
SS: Do you think U.S. would go as far as using force against its enemies?
WB: Well, the US has used force against its enemies on a regular basis for two centuries. Of course
they would use force! They've used force against Cuba, they invaded Cuba and they've supported Cuban
exiles in all kinds of violent activities for 60 years. Violence is never far removed from the U.S.
policy. Let me summarize something for the benefit of listeners: since 1946 the US has attempted
to overthrow more than 50 foreign governments. In the same time period it has attempted to assassinate
more than 50 foreign leaders. It has bombed the people of 30 countries, it has suppressed revolutionary
parties in at least 20 nations – and I forgot other factors on my list. This is a record unparalleled
in all of human history, and there's no reason to think it is changing of will change, except if
some superior force comes on a scene, that can actually defeat U.S.
SS: But, you know, French intelligence – and France seems to be an ally of the U.S. - the French
intelligence chief has recently said that they found no evidence of Russia planning to invade Ukraine.
So why has NATO been pressing these claims of an imminent invasion so hard and for so long?
WB:Because Russia has two characteristics of an enemy, which Washington cannot tolerate:
one, it has very powerful military capabilities, and two, it is not a kind of Washington's policy,
it is not a great admirer of the Empire. The same applies to China. That's all it takes: you don't
admire us and have military force – that's all it takes to be an enemy of Washington.
SS: The problem is, there's a ceasefire that seems in place, right? But US paratroopers have
arrived in Ukraine to train forces in the country, and it's not the first such deployment we've seen.
So, with ceasefire agreement and peace deal on the way, why is Washington sending troops now?
WB: They know very well that Ukraine is not...or those who live in Ukraine and support Russia,
Washington knows very well that these people are not on their side, and will not be on their side,
and there's no way to make them on our side, so, US is expecting to wipe them out militarily at some
point in the near future. As soon as they can get all the politics in place, there's no backtracking
from these policies. I must repeat myself again: Washington wants to dominate the world and anyone,
including people in the south-eastern part of Ukraine, who don't share that view, they are enemies,
and at some point they may be met with military force.
SS: So are you saying that America doesn't want peace in Ukraine, because US is sending military
personnel to Ukraine – like I've said – while Europeans are negotiating peace without America's involvement?
WB:Washington is not looking for peace or war. It is looking for domination, and if they
can achieve domination peacefully – that's fine. If they can't, they'll use war. It's that simple.
SS: So, like you've said, America is one of the main financiers of NATO; there's also Estonia
and they meet NATO's funding goals. Why are the rest of its members lagging behind? Isn't the alliance
important to them as well?
WB: They have their own home politics that they deal with, they each have their own financial
needs to deal with, they each have their own relation with Washington to deal with, it varies. It
is not exactly the same in these countries, but overall, no member of NATO is going to fight against
Washington. No member of NATO was going to support the insurgence in Ukraine – not one. So there's
no need to go upon who is not paying and who is paying – none of them will ever go against Washington's
policies in Ukraine or elsewhere.
SS: Now, on the other hand, Europe, U.S. and Russia – they share similar security threats, issues
like Syria, Islamic State, there's Afghanistan, and they are not going anywhere. Can these states
work together if it is absolutely necessary, for example?
WB: They don't have the same security threats. Washington just announces that people of various
countries are enemies of the U.S. - that doesn't make them a threat. Syria, for example, is no threat
to the U.S. Neither was Iraq, neither was Libya. U.S. invades one country after another, totally
independent of whether they are threat or not. As long as they don't believe in the Empire, as long
as they are helping enemies of the Empire. I mean, what threat was Libya to Washington? NATO invaded
them without mercy, bombed them out of existence, they are a failed state now. What was their threat?
There's no threat. If Russia doesn't announce Libya as a threat, it's not because Russia has a different
foreign policy – it's because Russia is not so paranoid as the U.S., and Russia is not looking for
world domination.
SS: Russia has been criticized many times for its decision to supply air defense missile systems
to Iran. Now, why is America so worried about anti-air missile defense Iran may get from Russia?
It's not like Washington got plans to bomb Iran, right?
WB: Of course they do, and so does Israel. You can't put aside those fears. Washington, as I mentioned
before, has bombed more than 30 countries. Why would they stop now? Iran is a definite target of
the U.S. and Israel, and it's very understandable that Iran would want to have advanced missile defense
systems.
SS: But look: US is staying out of Yemen now, it's not willing to commit ground troops to Iraq
or get involved in Syria. It sometimes looks like Washington is growing weary of foreign interventions,
lately.
WB:They are still supporting the enemies of Syria, and they are making sure that Assad will
not come back to power. They are bombing places all over Syria, which can be useful militarily to
Syria. They have not forgotten about Syria at all. Iraq is ally at the moment, but tomorrow or yesterday
it is something different. You can't just look at today and say "they're not fighting here and there"
and think "Oh, Washington has finally found peace". No. Their basic goal is unchanged – today, tomorrow,
or next year. I must say, again, for the tenth time, it is world domination.
SS: Now, you've written in one of your books, the "Rogue State" that if you were President, you'd
end all US foreign interventions at once. Can the US do that? Is it that simple? I mean, US left
Iraq and look what happened.
WB: If I were a President, yes, that's what I would do. And then I add, to the portion you've
quoted, I add at the end of paragraph, on my fifth day in the office I would be assassinated. So,
that's what happens to people who want to challenge the Empire's policies. But I would have great
time for the first few days.
SS: But can the US realistically do that? End all of their foreign interventions at once? Because,
we see an example of Iraq, once they left, ISIS spread.
WB:The US has created ISIS. Let me point this out – a short while ago, there were four major
states in the Middle East and South Asia, which were secular. The US invaded Iraq, then invaded Libya
and overthrew that secular government. Then it's been in the process now, for some years, attempting
to overthrow the secular government in Syria. There's no wonder that Middle East and South Asia have
been taken over by religious fanatics: all the possible enemies and barriers to that had been wiped
out by Washington. Why will they stop now?
SS: I see your point. While Iraq and Afghanistan cannot be exactly described as victories for
American troops, I mean, the invasions have also resulted, for instance, in girls being able to go
to school in Afghanistan, or Kurds finally having a state in Iraq, for instance.
WB: I must tell you something and all your listeners. At one time, in 1980s, Afghanistan had a
progressive government, where women had full rights; they even wore mini-skirts. And you know what
happened to that government? The US overthrew it. So please, don't tell me about US policy helping
the girls or the women of Afghanistan. We are the great enemy of females of Afghanistan.
SS: You've also said that an end to US interventions would mean an end to terror attacks. What
makes you think Islamic State and Al-Qaeda and other terror groups would cease to exist – and I'm
talking about right now, I am not talking about "if America hadn't invaded them back then". Right
now, if American interventions cease, what makes think that these terrorist groups would cease to
exist as well?
WB: It may be too late now. When I wrote that, it was correct. It may be too late now. After what
we've done to all secular governments in the Middle East and in South Asia, after all that, I am
not sure I would say the same thing again. We've unleashed ISIS, and they're not going to be stopped
by any kind words or nice changes of policy by Washington. They have to be wiped out militarily.
They are an amazing force of horror, and the U.S. is responsible for them, but the barn door may
be closed, it may be too late now to simply change our policy.
SS: So do you think US should use military force to eradicate these terrorist groups?
WB:Well, I could say "yes", except that the US will cheat. They will use the same force to
attack other people, like in Syria, they will use the same force to help overthrow Assad, and they
will use the same force to suppress any segment of Iraq or what have you, which are anti-America.
They cannot be trusted, that's the problem. When they start to use force, there's no holding them
back, and they don't care about the civilians. The civilian death toll with any bombing of Syria
and Iraq is unlimited. So, for those reasons, I cannot support US bombing of Iraq or Syria or anywhere
else. The US bombing should cease everywhere in the world.
SS: When I listen to you, it sounds like America overthrows all these governments and bombs all
these countries, and makes revolutions – from people's point of view, revolutions and overthrows
are really impossible if they are not conducive to people's moods on the ground. So you're saying
the foreign policy has greatly contributed to the rise of radical Islam in the Middle East, but I
wonder – don't locals have control over their own direction at all?
WB: The locals had no say whatsoever on whether the US would bomb or not, they had no say whatsoever
on whether the US would overthrow governments chosen by the people, often – they have no say in these
things. Now, they may hate ISIS, or some of them might hate ISIS, but it's too late. They can't do
anything about it. The world is in terrible position. The world had a chance, 30-40 years ago, to
stop the US from all of these interventions. If NATO had been closed, the way the Warsaw Pact was
closed, the Soviet Union closed the Warsaw Pact with the expectation that NATO will also go out of
business – but the US did not do that, and it's too late now. I don't know what to say, what will
save the world now.
SS: You've mentioned Cuba and Venezuela in the beginning of the programme. Now, we witnessed several
historic meetings recently, between President Obama and Cuba's President Raul Castro, also Obama's
meeting with Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro – why is Obama now talking with states the US has
long considered arch-enemies?
WB: You must keep in mind, first of all, that nothing whatsoever has changed, as of this moment
nothing has changed. We have to wait and see what happens, and I'm very sceptical. For example, with
Cuba, the main issue is the US sanctions which have played havoc with Cuban economy and society.
That has not changed, and I don't think it is going to change even in my lifetime. So, you can't
apply some kind of changes taking place. Why Obama is saying these things he's saying now may have
to do with his so-called "legacy". He knows his time is very limited, and he knows he has many enemies
amongst progressives in the US and elsewhere. He may want to cater to them for some reason. I don't
know, neither do you know, no one knows exactly why he's saying these things – but they don't mean
anything yet. Nothing has changed whatsoever.
SS: So you're saying there's really no substance in those meetings... Now, looking back, what would
you call Obama's biggest achievements of his two terms - I mean, people say there's been a reconciliation
with Cuba, with Iran, there's an earnest attempt to end US deployment in Iraq and in Afghanistan,
he didn't move troops into Syria. Would you disagree with all of that?
WB: Yes, all of that. There's no accomplishment whatsoever. He didn't move troops into Syria because
of Russia, and not because of him making any change. He was embarrassed in that. John Kerry made
a remark about "it would be nice if Syria would get rid of its chemical weapons – but that's not
going to happen" he said, and then foreign minister Lavrov of Russia jumped in and said "Oh really?
We'll arrange that" - and they arranged Syria to get rid of chemical weapons. That was, yes, a slip
of the tongue by John Kerry, and he was embarrassed to challenge Lavrov. We can say the same thing
about any of the things you've mentioned. There's no substance involved in any of these policies.
The US has not relented at all over Syria. As I've mentioned before, they are bombing Syria's military
assets, they are killing civilians every day. Syria is still a prime target of Washington, and they
will never escape.
SS: Thank you very much for this interesting insight, we were talking to William Blum, historian
and author of bestsellers "Rogue State" and "America's Deadliest Export" discussing matters of the
US foreign policy and what would happen if the US decides to end all of its foreign interventions
at once. That's it for this edition of Sophie&Co, I will see you next time.
"... This oil decline is a genius move by the US foreign policy. ..."
"... That being said, this part of the strategy engineered to hurt Russia can only last another six months or so. Stripper wells shutting down in mass would be a permanent loss of production and cannot be be allowed. Its better to keep the Fracking oil in the ground now where it can act as a second "strategic petroleum reserve" to keep OPEC from getting too greedy. ..."
"... The Saudis really screwed up. Had they let oil stay over 100 the Emperor would have been truly naked in a few years. This way the threat of a renewed fracking push keeps things tame for a while. ..."
This oil decline is a genius move by the US foreign policy. Had oil stayed over 100 the Fracking
fools would have pumped the things dry and the Baaken and Eagle Ford would be looking like the
Barnett in a few years.
That being said, this part of the strategy engineered to hurt Russia can
only last another six months or so. Stripper wells shutting down in mass would be a permanent
loss of production and cannot be be allowed. Its better to keep the Fracking oil in the ground
now where it can act as a second "strategic petroleum reserve" to keep OPEC from getting too greedy.
The Saudis really screwed up. Had they let oil stay over 100 the Emperor would have been truly
naked in a few years. This way the threat of a renewed fracking push keeps things tame for a while.
"... Is there still this neocon superiority illusion that lets U.S. news media and politicians believe they are the only ones who matter? That the U.S. is the only country which has a say in global issues? ..."
"... We here in the US are not free, nor do we have a democracy at present. This is because the people are not being listened to by those appointed by them, nor is it clear that those appointed have actually been appointed by the people. (Putin did not say that - it is my own assessment.) ..."
"... Ignatius is a member of the American ruling class. His father was Secretary of the Navy and publisher of the Washington Post. Ignatius himself was educated at St. Albans School, Harvard, and Cambridge. During his career in journalism, he has occupied all sorts of prestigious postings. ..."
"... In the particular case of Obama and the US government, they dont seem motivated at all to reduce this dissonance, or to avoid situations and information likely to increase it, on the contrary, cognitive dissonance is the platform from which they constantly deny, contort, distort, and twist reality to fit their spurious needs. Thanks b for expounding into the US denial syndrome. ..."
"... Regarding the US vessels drifting into Irans territorial waters: Yes, my first thought was Gulf of Tonkin/USS Pueblo redux? ..."
"... The factual scenarios are different in all of these incidents, but there is a common denominator of US naval forces provocatively entering a hostile nations territorial waters, and claiming afterwards that it was either fully justified or an innocent mistake. ..."
"... The extract from the Putin interview contains some not-so-subtle swipes at US-style democracy which seem to have flown under the radar. Putin raised the Snowden issue because he sees Snowden Assad as equally Patriotic and trustworthy. Snowden believes in an America for all Americans and Assad believes in a Syria for all Syrians. And thats the reason the criminally insane USG hates them. ..."
"... He is making the point that Obama (unlike Assad) doesnt want Syrians deciding who their President should be and made damn sure that Americans didnt get to decide whether Snowden should be rewarded or punished for exposing USG criminality. ..."
"... It seems that the US media is so desperate that the US administration leaked that Bashar Al Assad will will stay until 2017 ( at least) that they are trying to present some compensation to that humiliating reality by inventing the idea of a punishment on Bashar al Assad. ..."
"... David Cameron concedes his claim of 70,000 moderate rebels was nonsense, but reiterates the policy: using rebel forces as pressure to achieve the removal of Assad. ..."
Some U.S. media
say that Iran is "aggressive" when it detains U.S. ships and sailors ... who invade Iranian waters.
It is such delusional worldview that has people all over the world shake their heads over U.S.
media and politics.
But this messy thinking starts at the top. The Obama administration is filled with delusional
thinkers. Consider
this nonsense , relayed by the unofficial spokesperson David Ignatius, over Putin's position
towards the Syrian President Assad:
Putin this week seemed to take a public step toward the U.S. position that Assad must
go eventually . In an interview with the German newspaper Bild released Tuesday,
Putin hinted that he might grant Assad asylum.
...
Putin's reference to asylum was taken "very seriously" by the White House, a second administration
official noted Tuesday. "I think he was sending a signal about where he stands"
that was consistent with what Russian officials have been telling the United States in private,
the official said.
Putin was in no way "sending a signal". He was deflecting a direct question that the reporters
asked. He took a firm stance that Assad must stay and be allowed to take part in new elections:
Question: If, contrary to expectations, al-Assad loses the elections, will you grant him the possibility
of asylum in your country?
Vladimir Putin: I think it is quite premature to discuss this. We granted asylum to Mr Snowden,
which was far more difficult than to do the same for Mr al-Assad.
First, the Syrian people should be given the opportunity to have their say. I assure
you, if this process is conducted democratically, then al-Assad will probably not need to leave
the country at all. And it is not important whether he remains President or not.
How is that "sending a signal"? The only signal I perceive therein is that - as far as Russia
is concerned - Assad will stay where he is right now. I have no doubt that the private statements
of Putin and the Russian government in this case are exactly the same than the official ones.
In October Obama
demanded that Russia let go of Assad or end in a quagmire. Since then the position of the Syrian
government
has solidified and the Russian support has turned out to be very effective and not a burden.
The position of the U.S. administration and its jihadist proxy forces in Syria has deteriorated.
With each Islamic State attack the pressure to end the U.S. war on Syria is increasing.
How then can the "administration official" come up with this nonsense?
Is there still this neocon superiority illusion that lets U.S. news media and politicians
believe they are the only ones who matter? That the U.S. is the only country which has a say in global
issues?
One would have thought that the lost war in Iraq and the U.S. quagmire in Afghanistan would have
cured such delusions. But stupid thinking seems hard to heal.
The interview you link to up top is important reading if only for the final comment on sports
and the arts that Putin makes. But I also enjoyed his reference to Goethe and the difference between
the Russian and German languages. I find Russian very hard to follow because of the rapid pace
at which it is spoken - Putin's explanation certainly corroborates that impression.
Also, his points about "freedom' and 'democracy' are worth consideration.
We here in the US are not free, nor do we have a democracy at present. This is because the
people are not being listened to by those appointed by them, nor is it clear that those appointed
have actually been appointed by the people. (Putin did not say that - it is my own assessment.)
lysias | Jan 13, 2016 11:47:16 AM | 5
Mikhail Lermontov did a great translation into Russian of Goethe's Wandrers Nachtlied 2. Here's
the German:
Über allen Gipfeln/ Ist Ruh,/ In allen Wipfeln/ Spürest du/ Kaum einen Hauch;/ Die Vögelein
schweigen im Walde./ Warte nur, balde/ Ruhest du auch.
And Lermontov's Russian:
Горные вершины/ Спят во тьме ночной./ Тихие долины/ Полны свежей мглой./ Не пылит дорога,/
Не дрожат листы./ Подожди немного,/ Отдохнёшь и ты.
Preserves Goethe's metrical/rhyme scheme almost perfectly, and stays remarkably close to the
sense of the German version.
Seward | Jan 13, 2016 12:04:52 PM | 6
Remember that David Ignatius is a writer of fiction. (He also has close insider ties with the
CIA, so often reflects their point of view. A mid-level manager I knew from there, now deceased,
was amazed at how much he knew.)
Ignatius is a member of the American ruling class. His father was Secretary of the Navy and
publisher of the Washington Post. Ignatius himself was educated at St. Albans School, Harvard,
and Cambridge. During his career in journalism, he has occupied all sorts of prestigious postings.
How then can the "administration official" come up with this nonsense?
Typical cognitive dissonance, which
Wikipedia defines
as
[...]"an individual who holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values at the
same time, performs an action that is contradictory to one or more beliefs, ideas or values, or
is confronted by new information that conflicts with existing beliefs, ideas, or values.[1][2]
Leon Festinger's theory of cognitive dissonance focuses on how humans strive for internal
consistency. An individual who experiences inconsistency (dissonance) tends to become psychologically
uncomfortable, and is motivated to try to reduce this dissonance-as well as actively avoid situations
and information likely to increase it.[1] [...]
In the particular case of Obama and the US government, they don't seem motivated at all to
reduce this dissonance, or to "avoid situations and information likely to increase it," on the
contrary, cognitive dissonance is the platform from which they constantly deny, contort, distort,
and twist reality to fit their spurious needs. Thanks b for expounding into the US denial syndrome.
Regarding the US vessels "drifting" into Iran's territorial waters: Yes, my first thought
was "Gulf of Tonkin/USS Pueblo redux?"
The factual scenarios are different in all of these incidents, but there is a common denominator
of US naval forces provocatively entering a hostile nation's territorial waters, and claiming
afterwards that it was either fully justified or an innocent mistake.
As noted in the links and comments, US wingnut politicians and pundits will incorporate this
event into their ever-bubbling stream of reactionary demagoguery. However, it seems as though
this contretemps is not escalating on the geopolitical level. So perhaps this time it really
was just a merry mixup.
Still-- I'm no sailor, and I defer to nautical experts here. But with all of the billions invested
in procuring state-of-the-art, high-tech navigation equipment for US Navy ships-- including a
network of satellites to support GPS location and tracking systems-- is it really plausible that
these vessels can indeed "drift" past territorial boundaries? Just askin'.
The extract from the Putin interview contains some not-so-subtle swipes at US-style democracy
which seem to have flown under the radar. Putin raised the Snowden issue because he sees Snowden
& Assad as equally Patriotic and trustworthy. Snowden believes in an America for all Americans
and Assad believes in a Syria for all Syrians. And that's the reason the criminally insane USG
hates them.
He is making the point that Obama (unlike Assad) doesn't want Syrians deciding who their
President should be and made damn sure that Americans didn't get to decide whether Snowden should
be rewarded or punished for exposing USG criminality.
He described Smowden's asylum in Russia as "far more difficult" because Obama and Putin both
know that the USG cancelled Snowden's passport, rendering him stateless and stranding him in Russia.
What a ridiculous idea! Why Bashar al Assad who stood facing the hateful plots of the USA, France,
the UK, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar and is winning over ISIS would go on exile? Who will decide
that? The UN? The US? The pathetic opposition? Erdogan? Under which authority? Normally a leader
is sent to exile if he loose the war. Bashar did not loose the war, he is winning politically
and militarily. The losers are the SNC and the rebels and they are already exiled in Turkey where
they will stay to the end of their lives if they care for their lives.
It seems that the US media is so desperate that the US administration leaked that Bashar Al
Assad will will stay until 2017 ( at least) that they are trying to present some compensation
to that humiliating reality by inventing the idea of a punishment on Bashar al Assad.
Ignatius is totally off track as he has been for 4 years...
Not sure the political leadership or punditry are delusional or stupid - they are simply staying
"on message" and their statements reflect policy. The policy, even after Russia's intervention
in Syria, continues to be regime-change in Damascus and the use of "rebel" proxy forces to see
this through.
Here, David Cameron concedes his claim of 70,000 moderate rebels was nonsense, but reiterates
the policy: using rebel forces as "pressure" to achieve the removal of Assad.
"... Is there still this neocon superiority illusion that lets U.S. news media and politicians believe they are the only ones who matter? That the U.S. is the only country which has a say in global issues? ..."
"... Ignatius is a member of the American ruling class. His father was Secretary of the Navy and publisher of the Washington Post. Ignatius himself was educated at St. Albans School, Harvard, and Cambridge. During his career in journalism, he has occupied all sorts of prestigious postings. ..."
"... Regarding the US vessels drifting into Irans territorial waters: Yes, my first thought was Gulf of Tonkin/USS Pueblo redux? ..."
"... The factual scenarios are different in all of these incidents, but there is a common denominator of US naval forces provocatively entering a hostile nations territorial waters, and claiming afterwards that it was either fully justified or an innocent mistake. ..."
"... The extract from the Putin interview contains some not-so-subtle swipes at US-style democracy which seem to have flown under the radar. Putin raised the Snowden issue because he sees Snowden Assad as equally Patriotic and trustworthy. Snowden believes in an America for all Americans and Assad believes in a Syria for all Syrians. And thats the reason the criminally insane USG hates them. ..."
"... He is making the point that Obama (unlike Assad) doesnt want Syrians deciding who their President should be and made damn sure that Americans didnt get to decide whether Snowden should be rewarded or punished for exposing USG criminality. ..."
"... David Cameron concedes his claim of 70,000 moderate rebels was nonsense, but reiterates the policy: using rebel forces as pressure to achieve the removal of Assad. ..."
Some U.S. media
say that Iran is "aggressive" when it detains U.S. ships and sailors ... who invade Iranian waters.
It is such delusional worldview that has people all over the world shake their heads over U.S.
media and politics.
But this messy thinking starts at the top. The Obama administration is filled with delusional
thinkers. Consider
this nonsense , relayed by the unofficial spokesperson David Ignatius, over Putin's position
towards the Syrian President Assad:
Putin this week seemed to take a public step toward the U.S. position that Assad must
go eventually . In an interview with the German newspaper Bild released Tuesday,
Putin hinted that he might grant Assad asylum.
...
Putin's reference to asylum was taken "very seriously" by the White House, a second administration
official noted Tuesday. "I think he was sending a signal about where he stands"
that was consistent with what Russian officials have been telling the United States in private,
the official said.
Putin was in no way "sending a signal". He was deflecting a direct question that the reporters
asked. He took a firm stance that Assad must stay and be allowed to take part in new elections:
Question: If, contrary to expectations, al-Assad loses the elections, will you grant him the possibility
of asylum in your country?
Vladimir Putin: I think it is quite premature to discuss this. We granted asylum to Mr Snowden,
which was far more difficult than to do the same for Mr al-Assad.
First, the Syrian people should be given the opportunity to have their say. I assure
you, if this process is conducted democratically, then al-Assad will probably not need to leave
the country at all. And it is not important whether he remains President or not.
How is that "sending a signal"? The only signal I perceive therein is that - as far as Russia
is concerned - Assad will stay where he is right now. I have no doubt that the private statements
of Putin and the Russian government in this case are exactly the same than the official ones.
In October Obama
demanded that Russia let go of Assad or end in a quagmire. Since then the position of the Syrian
government
has solidified and the Russian support has turned out to be very effective and not a burden.
The position of the U.S. administration and its jihadist proxy forces in Syria has deteriorated.
With each Islamic State attack the pressure to end the U.S. war on Syria is increasing.
How then can the "administration official" come up with this nonsense?
Is there still this neocon superiority illusion that lets U.S. news media and politicians
believe they are the only ones who matter? That the U.S. is the only country which has a say in global
issues?
One would have thought that the lost war in Iraq and the U.S. quagmire in Afghanistan would have
cured such delusions. But stupid thinking seems hard to heal.
The interview you link to up top is important reading if only for the final comment on sports
and the arts that Putin makes. But I also enjoyed his reference to Goethe and the difference between
the Russian and German languages. I find Russian very hard to follow because of the rapid pace
at which it is spoken - Putin's explanation certainly corroborates that impression.
Also, his points about "freedom' and 'democracy' are worth consideration.
We here in the US are not free, nor do we have a democracy at present. This is because the
people are not being listened to by those appointed by them, nor is it clear that those appointed
have actually been appointed by the people. (Putin did not say that - it is my own assessment.)
lysias | Jan 13, 2016 11:47:16 AM | 5
Mikhail Lermontov did a great translation into Russian of Goethe's Wandrers Nachtlied 2. Here's
the German:
Über allen Gipfeln/ Ist Ruh,/ In allen Wipfeln/ Spürest du/ Kaum einen Hauch;/ Die Vögelein
schweigen im Walde./ Warte nur, balde/ Ruhest du auch.
And Lermontov's Russian:
Горные вершины/ Спят во тьме ночной./ Тихие долины/ Полны свежей мглой./ Не пылит дорога,/
Не дрожат листы./ Подожди немного,/ Отдохнёшь и ты.
Preserves Goethe's metrical/rhyme scheme almost perfectly, and stays remarkably close to the
sense of the German version.
Seward | Jan 13, 2016 12:04:52 PM | 6
Remember that David Ignatius is a writer of fiction. (He also has close insider ties with the
CIA, so often reflects their point of view. A mid-level manager I knew from there, now deceased,
was amazed at how much he knew.)
Ignatius is a member of the American ruling class. His father was Secretary of the Navy and
publisher of the Washington Post. Ignatius himself was educated at St. Albans School, Harvard,
and Cambridge. During his career in journalism, he has occupied all sorts of prestigious postings.
How then can the "administration official" come up with this nonsense?
Typical cognitive dissonance, which
Wikipedia defines
as [...]"an individual who holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values at the
same time, performs an action that is contradictory to one or more beliefs, ideas or values, or
is confronted by new information that conflicts with existing beliefs, ideas, or values.[1][2]
Leon Festinger's theory of cognitive dissonance focuses on how humans strive for internal
consistency. An individual who experiences inconsistency (dissonance) tends to become psychologically
uncomfortable, and is motivated to try to reduce this dissonance-as well as actively avoid situations
and information likely to increase it.[1] [...]
In the particular case of Obama and the US government, they don't seem motivated at all to
reduce this dissonance, or to "avoid situations and information likely to increase it," on the
contrary, cognitive dissonance is the platform from which they constantly deny, contort, distort,
and twist reality to fit their spurious needs.
Thanks b for expounding into the US denial syndrome.
Regarding the US vessels "drifting" into Iran's territorial waters: Yes, my first thought
was "Gulf of Tonkin/USS Pueblo redux?"
The factual scenarios are different in all of these incidents, but there is a common denominator
of US naval forces provocatively entering a hostile nation's territorial waters, and claiming
afterwards that it was either fully justified or an innocent mistake.
As noted in the links and comments, US wingnut politicians and pundits will incorporate this
event into their ever-bubbling stream of reactionary demagoguery. However, it seems as though
this contretemps is not escalating on the geopolitical level. So perhaps this time it really
was just a merry mixup.
Still-- I'm no sailor, and I defer to nautical experts here. But with all of the billions invested
in procuring state-of-the-art, high-tech navigation equipment for US Navy ships-- including a
network of satellites to support GPS location and tracking systems-- is it really plausible that
these vessels can indeed "drift" past territorial boundaries? Just askin'.
The extract from the Putin interview contains some not-so-subtle swipes at US-style democracy
which seem to have flown under the radar. Putin raised the Snowden issue because he sees Snowden
& Assad as equally Patriotic and trustworthy. Snowden believes in an America for all Americans
and Assad believes in a Syria for all Syrians. And that's the reason the criminally insane USG
hates them.
He is making the point that Obama (unlike Assad) doesn't want Syrians deciding who their
President should be and made damn sure that Americans didn't get to decide whether Snowden should
be rewarded or punished for exposing USG criminality.
He described Smowden's asylum in Russia as "far more difficult" because Obama and Putin both
know that the USG cancelled Snowden's passport, rendering him stateless and stranding him in Russia.
What a ridiculous idea! Why Bashar al Assad who stood facing the hateful plots of the USA, France,
the UK, Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar and is winning over ISIS would go on exile? Who will decide
that? The UN? The US? The pathetic opposition? Erdogan? Under which authority? Normally a leader
is sent to exile if he loose the war. Bashar did not loose the war, he is winning politically
and militarily. The losers are the SNC and the rebels and they are already exiled in Turkey where
they will stay to the end of their lives if they care for their lives.
It seems that the US media is so desperate that the US administration leaked that Bashar Al
Assad will will stay until 2017 ( at least) that they are trying to present some compensation
to that humiliating reality by inventing the idea of a punishment on Bashar al Assad.
Ignatius is totally off track as he has been for 4 years...
Not sure the political leadership or punditry are delusional or stupid - they are simply staying
"on message" and their statements reflect policy. The policy, even after Russia's intervention
in Syria, continues to be regime-change in Damascus and the use of "rebel" proxy forces to see
this through.
Here, David Cameron concedes his claim of 70,000 moderate rebels was nonsense, but reiterates
the policy: using rebel forces as "pressure" to achieve the removal of Assad.
You have mentioned sanctions. In my view, this was a foolish decision and a harmful one. I have
said that our turnover with Germany amounted to $83–85 billion, and thousands of jobs were created
in Germany as a result of this cooperation. And what are the restrictions that we are facing? This
is not the worst thing we are going through, but it is harmful for our economy anyway, since it affects
our access to international financial markets.
As to the worst harm inflicted by today's situation, first of all on our economy, it is the harm
caused by the falling prices on our traditional export goods. However, both the former and the latter
have their positive aspects. When oil prices are high, it is very difficult for us to resist spending
oil revenues to cover current expenses. I believe that our non-oil and gas deficit had risen to a
very dangerous level. So now we are forced to lower it. And this is healthy…
Question: For the budget deficit?
Vladimir Putin: We divide it. There is the total deficit and then there are non-oil and
gas revenues. There are revenues from oil and gas, and we divide all the rest as well.
The total deficit is quite small. But when you subtract the non-oil and gas deficit, then you
see that the oil and gas deficit is too large. In order to reduce it, such countries as Norway, for
example, put a significant proportion of non-oil and gas revenues into the reserve. It is very difficult,
I repeat, to resist spending oil and gas revenues to cover current expenses. It is the reduction
of these expenses that improves the economy. That is the first point.
Second point. You can buy anything with petrodollars. High oil revenues discourage development,
especially in the high technology sectors. We are witnessing a decrease in GDP by 3.8 percent, in
industrial production by 3.3 percent and an increase in inflation, which has reached 12.7 percent.
This is a lot, but we still have a surplus in foreign trade, and the total exports of goods with
high added value have grown significantly for the first time in years. That is an expressly positive
trend in the economy.
The reserves are still at a high level, and the Central Bank has about 340 billion in gold and
foreign currency reserves. If I am not mistaken, they amount to over 300. There are also two reserve
funds of the Government of the Russian Federation, each of which amounts to $70 to $80 billion. One
of them holds $70 billion, the other – $80 billion. We believe that we will be steadily moving towards
stabilisation and economic growth. We have adopted a whole range of programmes, including those aimed
at import replacement, which means investing in high technologies.
"... "I can't think of too many investors who predicted that oil would be trading at current levels, so a continuing slump in crude adds to investor nervousness, leading to a spike in volatility," ..."
"... crude at $35 a barrel would cause Russia's gross domestic product to decline by as much as 3 percent in 2016, its central bank said in December. ..."
"I can't think of too many investors who predicted that oil would be trading at current
levels, so a continuing slump in crude adds to investor nervousness, leading to a spike in
volatility," Pavel Laberko, who helps manage $150 million in emerging-market assets at Union
Bancaire Privee in London, said by phone on Wednesday. "There is a lot of uncertainty as to where
oil is going to go from current levels, and this uncertainty is not doing much to decrease price
swings."
... ... ...
...crude at $35 a barrel would cause Russia's gross domestic product to decline by as much
as 3 percent in 2016, its central bank
said in December.
... ... ...
The ruble advanced 0.5 percent to 76.65 against the dollar at 3:18 p.m. in New York, narrowing
its retreat this year to 4 percent, among the biggest drops among emerging-market currencies. The
Market Vectors Russia ETF slid 0.7 percent to $13.10. The dollar-denominated RTS Index fell 0.2
percent in Moscow, while futures contracts on the index retreated 0.7 percent to 68,530 in U.S.
hours.
... If anything, the Saudis have
actually
increased
their output.
Many reasons have been given for the Saudis' resistance to production
cutbacks, including a desire to
punish
Iran and Russia for their support of the Assad regime in Syria.
In the view of many industry analysts, the Saudis see themselves as better
positioned than their rivals for weathering a long-term price decline
because of their lower costs of production and their large cushion of
foreign reserves. The most likely explanation, though, and the one advanced
by the Saudis themselves is that they are seeking to maintain a price
environment in which U.S. shale producers and other tough-oil operators will
be driven out of the market. "There is no doubt about it, the price fall of
the last several months has deterred investors away from expensive oil
including U.S. shale, deep offshore, and heavy oils," a top Saudi official
told
the
Financial Times
last spring.
Despite the Saudis' best efforts, the larger U.S. producers have, for the
most part, adjusted to the low-price environment, cutting costs and shedding
unprofitable operations, even as many smaller firms have filed for
bankruptcy. As a result, U.S. crude production, at about
9.2 million barrels
per day, is actually slightly higher than it was a
year ago.
In other words, even at $33 a barrel, production continues to outpace
global demand and there seems little likelihood of prices rising soon,
especially since, among other things, both Iraq and Iran continue to
increase their output. With the Islamic State slowly losing ground in Iraq
and most major oil fields still in government hands, that country's
production is expected to continue its stellar growth. In fact, some
analysts
project
that its output could triple during the coming decade from the
present three million barrels per day level to as much as nine million
barrels.
For years, Iranian production has been
hobbled
by sanctions imposed by Washington and the European Union
(E.U.), impeding both export transactions and the acquisition of advanced
Western drilling technology. Now, thanks to its nuclear deal with
Washington, those sanctions are being lifted, allowing it both to reenter
the oil market and import needed technology. According to the U.S. Energy
Information Administration, Iranian output
could rise
by as much as 600,000 barrels per day in 2016 and by more in
the years to follow.
Only three developments could conceivably alter the present low-price
environment for oil: a Middle Eastern war that took out one or more of the
major energy suppliers; a Saudi decision to constrain production in order to
boost prices; or an unexpected global surge in demand.
The prospect of a new war between, say, Iran and Saudi Arabia -- two
powers at each other's throats at this very moment -- can never be ruled
out, though neither side is believed to have the capacity or inclination to
undertake such a risky move. A Saudi decision to constrain production is
somewhat more likely sooner or later, given the precipitous decline in
government revenues. However, the Saudis have
repeatedly affirmed
their determination to avoid such a move, as it
would largely benefit the very producers -- namely shale operators in the
U.S. -- they seek to eliminate.
The likelihood of a sudden spike in demand appears
unlikely indeed. Not only is economic activity still slowing in China and
many other parts of the world, but there's an extra wrinkle that should
worry the Saudis at least as much as all that shale oil coming out of North
America: oil itself is beginning to lose some of its appeal.
While newly affluent consumers in China and India continue to buy
oil-powered automobiles -- albeit not at the breakneck pace once predicted
-- a growing number of consumers in the older industrial nations are
exhibiting a preference for hybrid and all-electric cars, or for alternative
means of transportation. Moreover, with concern over climate change growing
globally, increasing numbers of young urban dwellers are choosing to subsist
without cars altogether, relying instead on bikes and public transit. In
addition, the use of renewable energy sources -- sun, wind, and water power
-- is
on the rise
and will only grow more rapidly in this century.
These trends have prompted some analysts to predict that global oil
demand will soon peak and then be followed by a period of declining
consumption. Amy Myers Jaffe, director of the energy and sustainability
program at the University of California, Davis, suggests that growing
urbanization combined with technological breakthroughs in renewables will
dramatically reduce future demand for oil. "Increasingly, cities around the
world are seeking smarter designs for transport systems as well as penalties
and restrictions on car ownership. Already in the West, trendsetting
millennials are urbanizing, eliminating the need for commuting and interest
in individual car ownership," she
wrote
in the
Wall Street Journal
last year.
The Changing World Power Equation
Many countries that get a significant share of their funds from oil and
natural gas exports and that gained enormous influence as petroleum
exporters are already experiencing a
significant erosion
in prominence. Their leaders, once bolstered by
high oil revenues, which meant money to spread around and buy popularity
domestically, are falling into disfavor.
Nigeria's government, for example, traditionally
obtains
75% of its revenues from such sales; Russia's,
50%
; and Venezuela's,
40%
. With oil now at a third of the price of 18 months ago, state
revenues in all three have plummeted, putting a crimp in their ability
to undertake ambitious domestic and foreign initiatives.
In Nigeria, diminished government spending combined with rampant
corruption discredited the government of President Goodluck Jonathan and
helped fuel a vicious insurgency by Boko Haram, prompting Nigerian voters to
abandon him in the most recent election and
install
a former military ruler, Muhammadu Buhari, in his place. Since
taking office, Buhari has pledged to crack down on corruption, crush Boko
Haram, and -- in a telling sign of the times --
diversify
the economy, lessening its reliance on oil.
Venezuela has experienced a similar political shock thanks to depressed
oil prices. When prices were high, President Hugo Chávez took revenues from
the state-owned oil company,
Petróleos de Venezuela S.A.
, and used them to build housing and provide
other benefits for the country's poor and working classes, winning vast
popular support for his United Socialist Party. He also sought regional
support by offering
oil subsidies
to friendly countries like Cuba, Nicaragua, and Bolivia.
After he died in March 2013, his chosen successor, Nicolas Maduro, sought to
perpetuate this strategy, but oil
didn't cooperate
and, not surprisingly, public support for him and for
Chávez's party began to collapse. On December 6th, the center-right
opposition swept to electoral victory, taking a
majority
of the seats in the National Assembly. It now seeks to
dismantle Chávez's "Bolivarian Revolution," though Maduro's supporters have
pledged
firm resistance to any such moves.
The situation in Russia remains somewhat more fluid. President Vladimir
Putin continues to enjoy widespread popular support and, from Ukraine to
Syria, he has indeed been moving ambitiously on the international front.
Still, falling oil prices combined with economic sanctions imposed by the
E.U. and the U.S. have begun to cause some expressions of dissatisfaction,
including a recent
protest
by long-distance truckers over increased highway tolls. Russia's
economy is expected to
contract
in a significant way in 2016, undermining the living standards
of ordinary Russians and possibly sparking further anti-government
protests. In fact, some analysts believe that Putin took the risky step of
intervening in the Syrian conflict partly to deflect public attention from
deteriorating economic conditions at home. He may also have done so to
create a situation in which Russian help in achieving a negotiated
resolution to the bitter, increasingly internationalized Syrian civil war
could be
traded
for the lifting of sanctions over Ukraine. If so, this is a very
dangerous game
, and no one -- least of all Putin -- can be certain of
the outcome.
Saudi Arabia, the world's leading oil exporter, has been similarly
buffeted, but appears -- for the time being, anyway -- to be in a somewhat
better
position
to weather the shock. When oil prices were high, the Saudis
socked away a massive trove of foreign reserves, estimated at three-quarters
of a trillion dollars. Now that prices have fallen, they are drawing on
those reserves to sustain generous social spending meant to stave off unrest
in the kingdom and to finance their ambitious intervention in Yemen's civil
war, which is already beginning to look like a Saudi Vietnam. Still, those
reserves have fallen by some $90 billion since last year and the government
is already announcing cutbacks in public spending, leading some observers to
question
how long the royal family can continue to buy off the
discontent of the country's growing populace. Even if the Saudis were to
reverse course and limit the kingdom's oil production to drive the price of
oil back up, it's unlikely that their oil income would rise high enough to
sustain all of their present lavish spending priorities.
Other major oil-producing countries also face the prospect of political
turmoil, including
Algeria
and
Angola
. The leaders of both countries had achieved the usual deceptive
degree of stability in energy producing countries through the usual
oil-financed government largesse. That is now coming to an end, which means
that both countries could face internal challenges.
And keep in mind that the tremors from the oil pricequake have
undoubtedly yet to reach their full magnitude. Prices will, of course, rise
someday. That's inevitable, given the way investors are pulling the plug on
energy projects globally. Still, on a planet heading for a green energy
revolution, there's no assurance that they will ever reach the $100-plus
levels that were once taken for granted. Whatever happens to oil and the
countries that produce it, the global political order that once rested on
oil's soaring price is doomed. While this may mean hardship for some,
especially the citizens of export-dependent states like Russia and
Venezuela, it could help smooth the transition to a world powered by
renewable forms of energy.
Michael T. Klare, a
TomDispatch
regular
, is a professor of peace and world
security studies at Hampshire College and the author, most recently, of
The Race for What's Left
. A documentary movie version of his book
Blood and Oil
is available from the Media Education Foundation
.
Follow him on Twitter at @mklare1.
The West goal from the very beginning was the regime change by whatever means and to neoliberalize
Syria just like Iraq. Now Germany got payback.
Notable quotes:
"... The Turkish government says the culprit was a 28 year old Saudi man. That mostly excludes that this was an attack of the PKK or any radical left group. ..."
"... The attacks real target is the Turkish economy. Istanbul is the third most visited tourist city in Europe. That will now change. ..."
"... The border crossing remained open until Kurdish forces took control of the town in June, at which point Turkey promptly sealed it. The crossing remains closed, a government official confirmed. ..."
"... There are still other parts of the border where people can cross from Islamic State held territory to Turkey and back. Imports to the Islamic State come mostly from Turkey while stolen oil is exported to Turkey. Turkey will have to stop all support for the various terrorist groups in Syria and Iraq or it will experience ever increasing mayhem on its own soil. ..."
"... Last year Turkey helped an alliance that included al-Qaeda in Syria and similar groups in capturing Idleb province and Idleb city from the Syrian government. That attack und the Turkish support for these groups was one of the reasons that prompted the Russians to intervene on the Syrian government side. ..."
"... But Turkey is not the only western country that is still actively supporting the Jihadidsts ..."
"... Can someone explain why and how the U.S. Syrian Emergency Task Force, which is financed by the U.S. State Department , can continue to operate in al-Qaeda occupied Idleb? ..."
"... According to the Indian ambassador in Syria at that time al-Qaeda was involved even in the very first weeks of the 2011 peaceful protests . A fact that at that time was denied by western media and is still covered up in recent reporting. ..."
"... Nabil Fadli, a 28-year-old ISIL militant of Syrian origin who was born in Saudi Arabia in 1988 , blew himself up after blending into a tourist group of 33 German citizens ..."
"... Oddly, and alarmingly, CCTV picked up on BBCs starvation bs fake photos only moments after BBC started the rumours. But this morning (less than an hour ago) reported that the rebels had been commandeering the food aid and extorting money from BBCs starving Syrians - a pretty difficult crime to pin on the SAA or Assad in the circumstances. ..."
"... Why would Daesh attack its patron Erdogan, even if only to strike against Germany? Why would Erdogan openly blame his proteges in Daesh? ..."
"... Erdogan made a lucrative deal with the EU in exchange for stemming the flow of refugees and part of that deal was Turkey closing its borders discernibly to the free (and very lucrative) flow of money, oil, personnel, weapons TO and FROM ISIS ... i.e. they became (at least publicly) accomodationists if not fully collaborators in the war against ISIS (talk is cheap, proof of the pudding, etc). ..."
"... Because it is Turkey, nothing can be taken for what it seems to be ... is Turkey begin punished by ISIS? or is this Turkey way of proving that it is stifling ISIS ambitions (false flags can never be ruled out wrt Turkey) ..."
"... At this point in time, you seriously have to have your f*cking head examined to visit ANY place at all in the Islamic world. Why risk becoming collateral damage while the West is at war with them and the Muslims are at war with each other? ..."
"... Iran is quite safe, and will see the biggest tourist boom this year. But you are right, other than Iran the rest of Muslim World is f**cked, US and its puppets set them all ablaze. ..."
"... I suspect that Bibi is praying to whatever G-d he worships, that Erdogan doesnt start questioning his belief that some of my best friends are Israelis . ..."
"... Looks like Turkeys little pet cobra project has taken a new turn.. All the cuddly pet cobras have now grown into uncontrollable king cobras that dont mind biting anyone - including their masters. ..."
... Ten people, most of them
foreign tourists, were
killed
in a suicide attack in the Sultanahmet district, a main tourist area in Istanbul.
The Turkish government
says
the culprit was a 28 year old Saudi man. That mostly excludes that this was an attack of
the PKK or any radical left group.
The Islamic State is likely the organization behind this attack.
The attack's real target is the Turkish economy. Istanbul is the third most visited tourist city
in Europe. That will now change.
Turkey has long said that it is unable to secure its 500-mile border with Syria. In January, as
Isis was logging people passing in and out of Tel Abyad, the Turkish prime minister, Ahmet Davutoğlu,
told the Independent that sealing the border would be impossible.
...
The border crossing remained open until Kurdish forces took control of the town in June, at which
point Turkey promptly sealed it. The crossing remains closed, a government official confirmed.
There are still other parts of the border where people can cross from Islamic State held territory
to Turkey and back. Imports to the Islamic State come mostly from Turkey while stolen oil is exported
to Turkey. Turkey will have to stop all support for the various terrorist groups in Syria and Iraq
or it will experience ever increasing mayhem on its own soil.
Last year Turkey helped an alliance that included al-Qaeda in Syria and similar groups in capturing
Idleb province and Idleb city from the Syrian government. That attack und the Turkish support for
these groups was one of the reasons that prompted the Russians to intervene on the Syrian
government side.
... ... ...
But Turkey is
not the only
"western" country that is still actively supporting the Jihadidsts
:
In a statement Monday to Foreign Policy, the Syrian Emergency Task Force said Russian planes bombed
one of its offices in central Idlib province in a strike that "completely destroyed" the facility
and equipment. The staff - which host civil society workshops, helps distribute U.S. humanitarian
aid, and documents atrocities - was not present during the incident, and no one was killed, according
to SETF.
Can someone explain why and how the U.S. Syrian Emergency Task Force, which is
financed by the U.S. State Department
, can continue to operate in al-Qaeda occupied Idleb?
When the Russian air support in Syria started and the Syrian army went on the offense a large
number of U.S. provided anti-tank guided missiles where used by the terrorists. The number of such
missile attacks has now significantly decreased. The Russian bombing broke the logistic lines of
the various groups and ransacked their headquarters and support areas. The four month bombing campaign
is now showing real results.
In Latakia in north west Syria the Syrian army today took the resort town Salma which had been
a major center of terrorist activities in the area. Yesterday a whole suburb west of Aleppo city
fell to the Syrian army. East of Aleppo city the Syrian army is advancing towards Al Bab which lies
on one of the Islamic State's major roads to Turkey. Near Rastan in Homs province the Syrian army
crossed the Orontes river and captured Jarjisah. Further south the Syrian army is progressing towards
the Jordanian border. The Russian air attacks also
support
the advances of the Kurdish forces fighting the Islamic State under the label of the
U.S. created Syrian Democratic Front.
The SDF is now moving to Manbij north east from Aleppo from
the east and
towards
Avaz north-west of Aleppo from the west which together with the Syrian government rush
north towards Al Bab develops into a pincer movement that will cut the Islamic State and other terrorist
groups from the Turkish border.
... ... ...
The "starving" claims were fake assertions as they have accompanied the war on Syria from its
very beginning.
According to the Indian ambassador in Syria at that time al-Qaeda was
involved even in the very first weeks of the 2011 "peaceful protests". A fact that at that time
was denied by "western" media and is still covered up in recent reporting.
9 dead Germans was what I thought I heard on RT television, but RT's print report only says "At least
nine German citizens were injured in the blast, Reuters reports citing a senior Turkish official."
https://www.rt.com/news/328603-turkey-istanbul-blast-square/
There was apparently a party of German tourists in Sultanahmet Square when the bomb went off.
Sultanahmet Square (Sultanahmet Meydanı), located between Hagia Sophia and the Blue (Sultanahmet)
Mosque, is the site of the Hippodrome of Constantine, one of the prime tourist sites in Istanbul.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippodrome_of_Constantinople
"
Nabil Fadli, a 28-year-old ISIL militant of Syrian origin who
was born in Saudi Arabia in 1988
, blew himself up after blending into a tourist group of 33 German citizens
on a visit to the
Obelisk of Theodosius in Sultanahmet Square near the Blue Mosque in the morning hours of Jan. 12
when the popular square was relatively less crowded compared to the rest of the day. "
You all are on top of things more than I am, so excuse me if you have already taken note of
this
:
The Islamic State terror group is making significant gains in Libya as hundreds of its members
have been detected moving there from Syria and Iraq in recent weeks amid stepped up bombing and tighter
border controls.
i walked thru this area a number of times when we visited turkey in 2012...
i feel sorry for the people of turkey and the world by extension that we have to suffer thru this
all..
"Can someone explain why and how the U.S. Syrian Emergency Task Force, which is financed by the
U.S. State Department, can continue to operate in al-Qaeda occupied Idleb?" the usa is in bed with
'''moderate''' terrorists...
"Bombing (only) is not a solution for conflicts." ditto that.
"information operations".. they are running out of pretty well everything else and hollywood is
all they have..
Thanks for the timely report, b. CCTV and the once-a-week RT broadcast I watch have been silent on
Russia's Syria campaign for nearly 2 months. Sporadic reports from other sources have been positive
so I assumed that Russia had decided to let the results speak for themselves or, more accurately,
to be whined about by Zio-FRUKUS. The BBC led the Western Whine-fest with its Bliar-ish reports about
Madaya, quickly followed by the Turkish Govt which is whining about Russia helping Assad instead
of "fighting IS" (a US joke which is only funny if you're not Syrian or Russian).
Oddly, and alarmingly, CCTV picked up on BBC's starvation bs & fake photos only moments after
BBC started the rumours. But this morning (less than an hour ago) reported that the "rebels" had
been commandeering the food aid and extorting money from BBC's 'starving Syrians' - a pretty difficult
crime to pin on the SAA or Assad in the circumstances.
Erdogan made a lucrative deal with the EU in exchange for stemming the flow of refugees and part
of that deal was Turkey closing its borders discernibly to the free (and very lucrative) flow of
money, oil, personnel, weapons TO and FROM ISIS ... i.e. they became (at least publicly) accomodationists
if not fully collaborators in the war against ISIS (talk is cheap, proof of the pudding, etc).
Because it is Turkey, nothing can be taken for "what it seems to be" ... is Turkey begin punished
by ISIS? or is this Turkey way of proving that it is stifling ISIS' ambitions (false flags can never
be ruled out wrt Turkey)
It's rather shocking that all stories on the suicide bombing fret immediately about the effect
on Turkey's tourism economy ... "Nuclear War? -- There goes my whole career"
graphic
. Yes, investor dividends may be disappointing.
At this point in time, you seriously have to have your f*cking head examined to visit ANY place at
all in the Islamic world. Why risk becoming collateral damage while the West is at war with them
and the Muslims are at war with each other?
Iran is quite safe, and will see the biggest tourist boom this year. But you are right, other
than Iran the rest of Muslim World is f**cked, US and its puppets set them all ablaze.
I suspect that Bibi is praying to whatever G-d he worships, that Erdogan doesn't start questioning
his belief that "some of my best friends are "Israelis".
Because if that belief falters then it's
Game Over for Israel and a slightly better than even chance of a Turkey-Iran alliance.
Looks like Turkey's little pet cobra project has taken a new turn.. All the cuddly pet cobras have
now grown into uncontrollable king cobras that don't mind biting anyone - including their masters.
When Turkey started messing around in Syria, I said Turkey will eventually become like Pakistan.
Guess I was right.
May the souls of the innocent, who had absolutely nothing to do with all this mess, rest in peace.
Every sane Europeans should begin questioning their leaders about their support of the AKP, Saudi
Arabia and the whole regime change nonsense in Syria. It's brought them nothing but pain.
Can someone explain why and how the U.S. Syrian Emergency Task Force, which is financed by the
U.S. State Department, can continue to operate in al-Qaeda occupied Idleb?
In the liberated areas in the north of Syria, civilians are finding ways to develop grassroots
civilian democratic structures to provide rule of law, basic services such as trash collection, civilian
police force, and utilities. These CACs are being created out of necessity, but they are also the
seeds of proto-democratic structures that the Syrian people themselves developed without international
help.
Defying conventional wisdom, the authority of the CACs is respected by the armed opposition,
because they are providing social services and a structure that encourages stability for the families
of the men currently fighting the regime.
It is important that the funding mechanism being employed
helps to further unite the opposition and mitigates financial competition from occurring. Support
of CACs helps to stabilize liberated areas and provide civilian oversight and authority.
"... Not sure about Russia, but the Middle East knows if they go all out and produce as much as they can they will just drive the oil price lower and reduce their profits. ..."
"... Lately OPEC seems to have forgotten this, but they must have other motives besides profits. If they were concerned about profits they would cut production as they have almost always done in the past (except when Saudi Arabia decides to punish other OPEC members (or the Soviet Union) by flooding the market and driving down the oil price. ..."
"... If the Saudi aim was to drive the high cost producers out of business, I think it has taken longer than they expected, now that they have chosen this road they may stubbornly stick to it until high cost producers go belly up and supply from non-OPEC decreases to the point that oil prices rise. ..."
"... This will be a valuable lesson to the rest of the World, that always assumed they could produce as much as they wanted and OPEC would cut back to keep oil prices high. ..."
"... The chart AlexS posted is a snapshot of current costs, it could be that these costs have increased as expensive projects have been started, but the chart is median cost rather than marginal cost. There may be some expensive fields in Russia and several OPEC countries that have come on line recently, but there are also older less expensive fields producing which brings the median cost lower for many countries. ..."
"... As regards Russia, most of the current upstream capex is also in lower-cost brownfield developments in Western Siberia and Volga-Urals regions. This includes infill drilling, development of satellite fields, previously undeveloped zones or deeper horizons of the old producing fields (such as Samotlor). There are also a number of new fields in these old regions. They are much smaller, but unit costs are not too high, as the necessary infrastructure, including roads and pipeline, is already in place. ..."
"... Costs in newly developed regions, such as Eastern Siberia, Timan Pechora, far north of Western Siberia (Yamal peninsula), Northern Caspian (shallow water fields), Far East (Sakhalin), are higher, sometimes much higher. But not prohibitively high even at current prices, as the key infrastructure, such as large pipelines (Eastern Siberia–Pacific Ocean oil pipeline), terminals ( Varandey on the Barents Sea), roads, etc. was already built during the years of high oil prices. ..."
"... Important to note that average unit costs in Russia were much lower than global average even before 2014, but they have significantly declined in dollar terms due to the depreciation of the ruble (see the chart below). ..."
"... Low oil prices have however significantly delayed high cost offshore Arctic and tight oil projects. ..."
"... The only producing offshore Arctic project is Prirazlomnoye oil field on the Pechora Sea shelf (developed by Gazpromneft). Rosneft has postponed further drilling in the Kara Sea and is now only exploring new blocks using 2D seismic. ..."
Rystad Energy recently released estimates for the total, all-in production cost for one barrel
of oil across major oil-producing countries.
According to Rystad, "this chart was compiled using data from more than 15,000 oil fields across
20 nations. The production costs were calculated by including a mix of capital expenditures and
operational expenditures. Capital expenditures included the costs involved with building oil facilities,
pipelines and new wells. Operational expenditures included the costs of lifting oil out of the
ground, paying employee salaries and general administrative duties."
Note that these numbers apparently do not include interest payments and taxes.
Furthermore, these are full-cycle costs rather than breakeven price, as Internal rate of return
(IRR) is not included.
Also note that these are median costs, which does not represent the whole picture, as there
are significant differences in production costs within each country.
In any case, the chart shows that at today's price of $31/barrel (Brent and WTI), most of oil
from the already producing fields can still be extracted profitably. There are, however, notable
exceptions, including U.S. stripper wells, several deepwater projects (incl. Brazil), some fields
in the North Sea, etc.
As regards new projects, they are already unprofitable in a number of countries, including the
U.S., Canada, U.K., Norway, Brazil, and West Africa.
Median Total Cost of Oil Production per Barrel
Source: Rystad Energy
I was wondering about these low full cycle costs in the Middle East & Russia.
During several years of high oil prices, why weren't more high-cost projects started in these
area's, like what happened in the US & Canada? If the costs are really as low as indicated in
your above chart, couldn't they have earned much more by starting slightly higher cost projects?
Is it that except these low-cost fields, there are not that many, even higher-cost, projects available?
Or is there less of a capitalistic spirit/access to financial markets?
To me it would make sense if everywhere around the world costs have increased to a much higher
level, given several years of high oil prices, reflecting the incentives to try to bring us much
oil to the market as long as costs are (significantly) lower than the price.
Effective oil price for Russian oil companies was always the same, around $30 per barrel. Everything
above was taxed. Some fields, especially in Eastern Siberia, were exempted from the tax, but there
aren't that many of them.
Enno: " reflecting the incentives to try to bring us much oil to the market as long as costs are
(significantly) lower than the price."
There are no incentives to bring as much oil to the market in the environment of high prices,
same as there are no incentives to bring less oil to the market in the low price environment like
today.
Not sure about Russia, but the Middle East knows if they go all out and produce as much as
they can they will just drive the oil price lower and reduce their profits.
Lately OPEC seems to have forgotten this, but they must have other motives besides profits.
If they were concerned about profits they would cut production as they have almost always done
in the past (except when Saudi Arabia decides to punish other OPEC members (or the Soviet Union)
by flooding the market and driving down the oil price.
If the Saudi aim was to drive the high cost producers out of business, I think it has taken
longer than they expected, now that they have chosen this road they may stubbornly stick to it
until high cost producers go belly up and supply from non-OPEC decreases to the point that oil
prices rise.
This will be a valuable lesson to the rest of the World, that always assumed they could produce
as much as they wanted and OPEC would cut back to keep oil prices high.
In the future non-OPEC producers will not be so sure that this is the case and may be a little
more careful about expanding output too quickly.
On re-reading you comment above, I think I see better what you are asking.
The chart AlexS posted is a snapshot of current costs, it could be that these costs have increased
as expensive projects have been started, but the chart is median cost rather than marginal cost.
There may be some expensive fields in Russia and several OPEC countries that have come on line
recently, but there are also older less expensive fields producing which brings the median cost
lower for many countries.
I guess average unit costs in the Middle East have risen at least twice over the past 10-15
years, reflecting input cost inflation in the global oil industry. But costs are still very low
as:
1) Most of the capex is in brownfields (infill drilling, water floods, etc.)
2) Most of the fields that start production now were actually discovered several decades ago,
so exploration costs are close to zero. These fields are located onshore and a few of them in
shallow waters. Geology is generally favorable. There is no ice, no winter cold, and high temperatures
are not a problem. The necessary infrastructure is already in place. The fields are huge, with
very high production per well and low decline rates. Therefore, average development costs are
also very low.
As regards Russia, most of the current upstream capex is also in lower-cost brownfield developments
in Western Siberia and Volga-Urals regions. This includes infill drilling, development of satellite
fields, previously undeveloped zones or deeper horizons of the old producing fields (such as Samotlor).
There are also a number of new fields in these old regions. They are much smaller, but unit costs
are not too high, as the necessary infrastructure, including roads and pipeline, is already in
place.
Costs in newly developed regions, such as Eastern Siberia, Timan Pechora, far north of Western
Siberia (Yamal peninsula), Northern Caspian (shallow water fields), Far East (Sakhalin), are higher,
sometimes much higher. But not prohibitively high even at current prices, as the key infrastructure,
such as large pipelines (Eastern Siberia–Pacific Ocean oil pipeline), terminals ( Varandey on
the Barents Sea), roads, etc. was already built during the years of high oil prices.
There are
a number of new projects at later stages of development, which will not be postponed or delayed
and are scheduled to begin production in 2016-18.
Important to note that average unit costs in Russia were much lower than global average even
before 2014, but they have significantly declined in dollar terms due to the depreciation of the
ruble (see the chart below).
The tax component of the costs was also significantly lowered thanks
to the Russia oil tax system.
Low oil prices have however significantly delayed high cost offshore Arctic and tight oil projects.
There is a significant dollar-denominated component in capex (imported equipment, services and
technologies), which is exacerbated by the effect of the sanctions.
The only producing offshore
Arctic project is Prirazlomnoye oil field on the Pechora Sea shelf (developed by Gazpromneft).
Rosneft has postponed further drilling in the Kara Sea and is now only exploring new blocks using
2D seismic.
Gazpromneft, Lukoil and others are still working on pilot projects in the Bazhenov
shale, but commercial development will not start before next decade.
Comparative lifting costs: Russian oils vs. global majors
2) Most of the fields that start production now were actually discovered several decades ago,
so exploration costs are close to zero.
Well that was true a few years ago, especially for Saudi Arabia. But I just don't believe that
is the case anymore. Perhaps there are some very small fields that didn't seem worth developing
back then. But I don't think there are any large, long ago discovered fields, that are still undeveloped.
"... The world is awash in blood because two sociopathic brothers (Dulles Brothers) took over US foreign policy and eventually killed a President. ..."
"... There is reasonable possibility that the decision by the Saudi dictatorship to execute the high profile Shiite Sheikh Nimr may have been motivated, at least in part, by the desire to deflect the probability of retribution by the Shiite-hating Islamic State since the majority of the 47 executed along with Nimr were comprised of violent, hard-core Sunni devotees of ISIS. ..."
"... No political system is exempt from corruption and in my opinion this outcome might even be somehow inexorable due to the nature of a state based polity. ..."
"... there is a conflict at the top in saudi arabia and only a matter of time where one or the other goes? it seems that since Mohammad bin Salman Al Saud was given the position of 2nd in command in sa (and minister of defense responsibility), a lot of shite has hit the fan... this began with the war on yemen in march 26 2015 and continues on in everything else ..."
"... Let our position be absolutely clear: An attempt by any outside force to gain control of the Persian Gulf region will be regarded as an assault on the vital interests of the United States of America, and such an assault will be repelled by any means necessary, including military force ..."
The BS nuclear deal between US and Iran was to get Iran to massively reduce its nuclear capabilities,
which except for a war which the US is no way near ready for, So sophisticated subversion and sanction
pressure was used instead.
And those corporations wanting access to Iran now what access to extract from Iran, not contribute
to it's economy.
All the huffing and puffing by the Israeli state terrorists and Saudi tyranny about that deal,
simply betrays their brutal idiotic methods, compared to more sophisticated methods to the US empire
is capable of.
And The US already set up the war showdown between Iran and Saudi Arabia, with its divide and
conquer policy, and its massive sales of weapons to the Saudi tyranny. That war is just A matter
of time. It's proxies first and then it's full scale engagement between those two states.
Unless you know something and are not sharing this article is speculation. Arming the Houthi's
would, in my opinion, be about as intelligent as was arming the Taliban in the 1980's. The armed
Houthi's may take care of the Saudi's (just like the Taliban took care of the Russians in that
case) but then who would take care of the Houthi's? and what other havoc would they cause? Different
players here but the tactic would be similar and have the same potential of backfiring in the
long run.
B, from what you are saying your 'smart move by KSA' is looking more and more like another dumb
move by KSA... If the Saudis had executed just 'al-Qaeda types' and put out a press release showing
how they are cracking down on terrorism the kingdom would be attracting support from their allies
right now--"Those Saudis are brutal but at least they know how to get the job done." Of course,
it's unclear how much right wing/Islamic State backlash they might have gotten domestically but
I suspect it would have been minimal as long as the unofficial KSA paychecks to the terrorists
kept coming.
There is another reason why Saudi Arabia created a crisis just after the killing of Alloush.
Saudi Arabia has failed to set a serious Syrian opposition group. It has just lost its strongest
ally, Alloush, the leader of the militias it has been supporting for years. It now worries that
the other side, the Syrian government will win an overwhelming diplomatic victory if the planned
meeting in Geneva takes place. Therefore it is doing all it can to prevent that meeting to happen.
The execution of Sheikh Nimr and the subsequent rupture of the diplomatic relation with Iran is
the first move. More of these desperate gesticulation are necessary. But as they'll fail to change
much of Iran and Russia's determination to move on on Syria, it will only confirm to the whole
world that it is not Bashar al Assad and his government that are weak, isolated and on the defensive,
but rather Saudi Arabia and its inept and amateurish leadership.
#12 --
""Saudi Arabia has failed to set a serious Syrian opposition group. It has just lost
its strongest ally, Alloush, the leader of the militias it has been supporting for years. ""
good, excellent point ... this execution could simply have been payback ... and/or "dog ate
my homework" excuse providing for why they're going to, say, no-show in Vienna ...
It could be that the killing of Sheikh Nimr is to the Saudis what the shooting of the Russian
plane has been to the Turks: a provocative blunder with unexpected consequences.
The two Sunni leaders, Erdogan and King Salman are very close to loose the 4 years old game of
toppling Bashar al Assad. In these desperate moves, are they hoping to reshuffle the cards by
provoking Syria's allies?
They are Quahir1 missiles. While the Yemeni Forces claim they are upgraded , obsolete Soviet
ballistic missiles, re-engineered in Yemen,
Visual identification suggests that they are ancient, obsolete SAM-3 antiaircraft missiles,
( which the Yemen Army had thousands), with a new warhead and a guidance system conversion to
make them ballistic missiles.
To date, Iran has supplied nothing to the Ansrallah Movement, other than kind words,.....
And a single shipment of Humanitarian aid to Yemeni NGO's.
Sunni Islam is actually more democratic than Shia Islam. The Wahabist strain is just such a huge
departure from traditional Sunni values. I wish I saved all my conversations with a Muslim friend
about these issues. We boiled it down to making a comparison that Christians can understand. Sunni
Islam is similar to Protestantism is that it is highly decentralized. Anyone that reaches that
status of Iman (Minister) can issue a religious ruling (fatwa). Shia are similar to Catholics.
The Grand Ayatollahs are bishops but in the Iranian government the Grand Ayatollah is the Pope.
The Wahabist are....I do not know how to properly describe them.
Sunni have a natural inclination to a democratic government (I'm not saying that Shia do not,
1954...). Western Imperialism has prevented every moderate attempt. The only place left for Muslims
to organize is in radical religious groups. All other modes of reform have been destroyed. We
are all witnessing the children of the Dulles era CIA The world is awash in blood because two
sociopathic brother's (Dulles Brothers) took over US foreign policy and eventually killed a President.
I still find it very interesting that everyone seems to think that these "smart, stupid" whatever
you want to call them are actually KSA independent choices
Lol they are flying the worlds most expensive toys in Yemen and getting their asses handed
to them. Trust me when i tell you this. Saudis and Emirate Arabs in general are nothing but Bedouin
desert dwellers or as the line from titanic goes "new money"
If people are too blind to see the British/US/Israeli hands in this then go ahead and keep
debating about the smoke screen or the true colour of wool being pulled over your eyes.
Saudis and Bahrain are not independent states. They are military bases for the US against Iran,
Rusia, China grabbing control of the rest of the middle east.
Executing "rabble rousing" Nimr , will in turn be the downfall of KSA and all these "Analysts"
think tanks and what not will finally realize that the ME is not what it always seems
"An Iraqi official blamed the Islamic State group on Monday for the bombing of two Sunni
mosques in a predominantly Shiite city in southern Iraq the previous night, saying the militant
group seeks to stoke sectarian tensions,"
AP reports. ISIS
"did this to inflame sectarian
strife in the country," provincial security official Falah al-Khafaji contends.
ZeroHedge speculates:
Taking it a step further, one has to wonder whether there's a larger plan here. That is,
if we assume ISIS, like the multitude of other Sunni extremist groups operating in the region,
is taking its cues from handlers and benefactors, it's not difficult to imagine that "someone"
could be attempting to create an excuse for an intervention in Iraq.
Save that date -- the next installment of Syrian peace negotiations:
"[Staffan] De Mistura is due to launch peace talks between Assad's government and the opposition
in Geneva on January 25, but it remained unclear whether the Iran-Saudi crisis would have an
impact on that plan.
De Mistura has flown to Ryadh and is due to then visit Tehran ... Yeah, I can't see these two
parties sharing a table ....
""UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said he was "deeply dismayed" by the Saudi execution of
47 people including prominent Shiite cleric Nimr al-Nimr, who has been critical of the Sunni
royal family and was a driving force behind anti-government protests in 2011. snip
In his talks with Saudi Foreign Minister Adel Jubeir, Ban urged Saudi Arabia "to renew its
commitment to a ceasefire" in Yemen after the Riyadh-led coalition announced on Sunday that
it was ending the truce with Iran-backed rebels in the country.[yemen]
The U.N. envoy for Yemen, Ismail Ould Cheikh Ahmed, was to hold talks in Riyadh on Wednesday
to push for a renewed ceasefire.
@12 virgile '... it is not Bashar al Assad and his government that are weak, isolated and on the
defensive, but rather Saudi Arabia and its inept and amateurish leadership.'
Yes. Solid observation. How come their best friends in USrael didn't warn them of that particular
aspect of their stupid act?
@24 AEF '
The world is awash in blood because two sociopathic brother's (Dulles Brothers)
took over US foreign policy and eventually killed a President.
'
Ain't that the truth. Because of those two and their succeeding stream of 'investment bankers'
at the CIA
@33 SS from your link 'UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon said he was "deeply dismayed" by the
Saudi execution of 47 people including prominent Shiite cleric Nimr al-Nimr, who has been critical
of the Sunni royal family and was a driving force behind anti-government protests in 2011.'
Ban Ki-moon is a US poodle, so this further indicates to me that USrael wouldn't mind at all
if there were a change in management in Saudi Arabia ... and if the place goes up for grabs, why
they - NATO - will just have to step in to provide 'stability'.
Iran is not known to allow irate citizens to run amuck so it might be a planned Basij attack
on the KSA Embassy, they certainly came prepared to torch the place and met little resistance
from Iranian security.
Would the Wahhabis be equivalent to a Christian Reconstructionist movement gone militant with
state funding?
@39 ATH,
I don't see how we can say policies are decided at the ballot box unless they can recall their
"representatives" as easily as they can elect them. It's part of the weak-mindedness of liberal
society that management somehow equals democracy.
"Iran is not known to allow irate citizens to run amuck so it might be a planned Basij attack
on the KSA Embassy..."
The same can be said about any country in the world and there is no need for a militia to do
that. It is a well known facts, maybe not by you but among those who are following the real news,
that the more than 10 or so Iranian embassies and consulates ransacked et pillaged during the
80's in the European cities were all done under the complacent eyes and noses of the security
services of the protecting states. In actuality I believe doing it the Iranian way, i.e. keeping
a façade of deniability, is more honorable that what the European state did... and for some are
still doing.
I'm uneasy about Rouhani's rapprochement with the usurious Western financial sector[1], but
from a systems standpoint I'm more worried about corruption in the assemblies than the figureheads.
The usual failure mode of republics is that there is nothing binding the alleged "representative"
to the popular will post-election and no effective means to stop disloyalty in progress. In the
US, especially, we've had ample experience with "representatives" who, as an assembly, invariably
take on some sacred duty of delivering concrete material benefits to elites while delivering excuses
and pat stories (according to their Party's mythology) to their constituents. The question always
on my mind is, how to prevent the color of public interest from enabling disproportional private
benefit?
It could be that I'm not thinking Islamically enough with respect to the roles of citizens
within an Islamic society. But if Iran has a system that guarantees sturdy alignment of policy
outcomes with citizens' collective interests, even against vested interests of state officials,
I'd love to hear it.
[1] Islamic finance on Wall Street would mean dropping shock troops onto one end and chopping
every right hand down to the other end. I doubt I will be seeing this in the near future.
I'm uneasy about Rouhani's rapprochement with the usurious Western financial sector[1], but
from a systems standpoint I'm more worried about corruption in the assemblies than the figureheads.
The usual failure mode of republics is that there is nothing binding the alleged "representative"
to the popular will post-election and no effective means to stop disloyalty in progress. In the
US, especially, we've had ample experience with "representatives" who, as an assembly, invariably
take on some sacred duty of delivering concrete material benefits to elites while delivering excuses
and pat stories (according to their Party's mythology) to their constituents. The question always
on my mind is, how to prevent the color of public interest from enabling disproportional private
benefit?
It could be that I'm not thinking Islamically enough with respect to the roles of citizens
within an Islamic society. But if Iran has a system that guarantees sturdy alignment of policy
outcomes with citizens' collective interests, even against vested interests of state officials,
I'd love to hear it.
[1] Islamic finance on Wall Street would mean dropping shock troops onto one end and chopping
every right hand down to the other end. I doubt I will be seeing this in the near future.
"Pariah status" or "rebuilding" a presumed broken relations "with the world" is what you have
been made to believe by the MSM. Iran is actually reducing tension in the nuclear dossier to better
work out its strategic realignment that are based on sovereignty and political independence. The
first sign of which has already appeared in a strategic alliance in Syria.
There is reasonable possibility that the decision by the Saudi dictatorship to execute
the high profile Shiite Sheikh Nimr may have been motivated, at least in part, by the desire to
deflect the probability of retribution by the Shiite-hating Islamic State since the majority of
the 47 executed along with Nimr were comprised of violent, hard-core Sunni devotees of ISIS.
From the Saudi prism, the orgy of executions was on the one hand, a performance intended to
downplay growing criticism of the kingdom's funding of the globally despised ISIS and on the other
end, an act of appeasing ISIS by killing this highly popular Shiite leader. Nimr's execution could
have been intended to mitigate the group's rage and reduce the potential to target Saudi institutions
instead of Shiite mosques as they have done in the past.
This sounds off topic but for the sake of a reply,
No political system is exempt from corruption and in my opinion this outcome might even
be somehow inexorable due to the nature of a state based polity.
The difference between the
Iranian political scaffolding and the European systems in particular but also, at the limit, the
American one is that the former is based on a younger society and still in formation while the
latters have already passed the middle-age period in their life cycle.
And to answer your question: "how to prevent the color of public interest from enabling disproportional
private benefit?" the only way for this to be possible in my opinion is the breakdown of states
with globalist reach into local and regional states with decision-making being directly made by
citizens... a Helvetic kind of confederation.
Not to forget, nearly a thousand Iranians died during the hajj in Mecca:
The
2015 Mina Crush disaster
has increased tensions in the already-strained relationship
between Saudi Arabia and Iran, led to calls from politicians in a number of Muslim nations for
changes in oversight of Mecca and the Hajj, and bolstered opposition to King Salman among the
senior members of the Saudi Arabian royal family.
how many think like
this author - michael krieger
from sept 30th 2015, that
there is a conflict at the top
in saudi arabia and only a matter of time where one or the other goes? it seems that since
Mohammad
bin Salman Al Saud
was given the position of 2nd in command in sa (and minister of defense
responsibility), a lot of shite has hit the fan... this began with the war on yemen in march 26
2015 and continues on in everything else
..
i don't know who is doing what inside the sa hierarchy, but it sure comes across as chaotic
and troublesome.. regime change is a distinct probability! which guy goes? the old guy, or the
young guy? scary either way..
"There have been direct concerns raised by US officials to Saudi officials about the potential
damaging consequences of following through on the execution, on mass executions, in particular,
the execution of" al-Nimr, White House spokesman Josh Earnest said on Monday.
Deputy Prime Minister Numan Kurtulmus told a press conference on Monday that the execution
did not have Ankara's support.
"We are against all instances of capital punishment, especially when it is politically motivated,"
he said.
Both had meetings with the Saudis before their mass beheading festival and could have saved the
Saudi junior woodchuck if they wanted to. I wonder what's in the collapse of the present Saudi
regime for them? Control of orphaned Saudi oilfields in the one case and of orphaned Saudi Mamluk
terrorists in the other?
Nor is this mere speculation. Saudi Arabia for some time has been trying to provoke Iran. First
there was the Saudi military intervention in Bahrain. Then there were Saudi efforts to topple
the Assad regime. These were followed by the bombing of the Iranian embassy in Beirut in 2013,
which killed a number of Lebanese as well as Iran's cultural attaché. More recently, during
the Haj ceremonies, Saudi authorities harassed two Iranian youth and a large number of Iranian
pilgrims died as well. The Saudi government, moreover, created many difficulties for Iranian
officials trying to locate, identify, and transfer the bodies of the victims to Iran. And of
course Saudi Arabia launched a full-scale war in Yemen against what it claimed were Iranian-backed
rebels.
Another provocation came last month when Nigerian authorities arrested the country's Shia
leader, Sheikh Ibrahim Zakzaki, and the Nigerian army killed close to a thousand Shias for
spurious reasons. Following Sheikh Zakzaki's arrest Saudi King Salman reportedly congratulated
Nigeria's president for dealing effectively with terrorism (the king's definition of terrorism
apparently extends to the peaceful observance of religious rituals). Meanwhile, the abuse of
the Shias in other countries, notably Azerbaijan, continued as did their indiscriminate killing
by Saudi- influenced groups in Pakistan and Afghanistan, as illustrated by the beheading in
November of a nine-year-old Hazara girl in Afghanistan.
One also shouldn't forget that there's struggle going on between the "Group Abdullah" and the
"Group Salman".
Abdullah was the former king and Salman is the current king of Saudi Arabia. Former king Abdullah
and his "followers" did A LOT OF things to reduce the influence/power of the "Group Salman". E.g.
Abdullah appointed his followers to influential positions.
But now with Salman on the throne, Salman is doing the same thing with his followers. Appoint
as much of followers to influential positions as possible. And it seems the struggle is far from
over.
And Saudi Arabia is in "not the best of financial shapes". No surprise there. A combination
of:
- Falling/Fallen oil prices.
- VERY large military expenses (Yemen, Syria).
- Increased expenses for the saudi population. Saudi Arabia increased payments to its citizens
to bribe them into not revolting during & after the "Arab Spring" in 2011.
- ((Very) large) subsidies for Healthcare, electricity, gasoline.
Recently the saudi government increased the price of gasoline by 50% (!!!!) from 15 cents to
22 cents. Outrageous !!!!!!!!
Aircraft keep falling out of the sky over Yemen quite regularly. They are always described
as the result of 'technical reasons'. That covers a whole range of possibilities from engine failure
to back end of aircraft disappearing after missile strike.
Here is a report on a recent incident (30 Dec) involving a Bahraini F-16.
Thanks for those links, it's been my impression Yemen army/Houthis have no flak capability,
hence the Saudis control of the skies, and the carnage on civilians/damage to infrastructure.
I have read news of Saudi fighter jets downed over Yemen due to "technical failure" as you
mentioned, that could or could not be the Houthis/Yemen army. I certainly hope they develop AA
defenses, as the Vietnamese progressively did, that would help diminish the carnage and will give
the Saudis a pause in their impunity.
To be sure, the Iranian government is a complex organism with many moving parts, and the whole
response likely wasn't planned or coordinated by a single actor. But the result was highly
effective. It showed the Saudis that Iran took the execution as directed toward it. And it
simultaneously gave other countries the cover they would need to side with Iran.
The Americans, rather remarkably, took the Iranian side. U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry
let it be known that he was talking to his Iranian counterpart, Mohammad Javad Zarif. In the
past, a U.S. secretary of state would've reached out solely to the Saudi foreign minister,
not least because there were no official diplomatic ties to Iran. Meanwhile, a former deputy
CIA director, Michael Morell, publicly praised the Iranians for their handling of the situation
in Tehran. This was downright astonishing, given Americans' historical associations with embassy
occupation there.
bqqTo be sure, the Iranian government is a complex organism with many moving parts, and the
whole response likely wasn't planned or coordinated by a single actor. But the result was highly
effective. It showed the Saudis that Iran took the execution as directed toward it. And it
simultaneously gave other countries the cover they would need to side with Iran.
The Americans, rather remarkably, took the Iranian side. U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry
let it be known that he was talking to his Iranian counterpart, Mohammad Javad Zarif. In the
past, a U.S. secretary of state would've reached out solely to the Saudi foreign minister,
not least because there were no official diplomatic ties to Iran. Meanwhile, a former deputy
CIA director, Michael Morell, publicly praised the Iranians for their handling of the situation
in Tehran. This was downright astonishing, given Americans' historical associations with embassy
occupation there.
Let our position be absolutely clear: An attempt by any outside force to gain control
of the Persian Gulf region will be regarded as an assault on the vital interests of the United
States of America, and such an assault will be repelled by any means necessary, including military
force
Can any of you recommend a good blog/site following the events in Yemen? With the media
blackout it is very hard to find out was is really going on on the ground.. Txs.
"... I suppose you could say the migration was engineered in both the Cuban and Turkey cases, with
the US and US/EU/Turkey creating the migrants and Castro and Erdogan, respectively, acting as
gatekeepers. ..."
"... The difference is that the migrants are not Turks, in Erdogan's case, but his prey,
the people of Syriaq. And the people of the EU, of course. ..."
Abstract: This paper presents a case study of the August 1994 Cuban "balseros"-i.e.
rafters-crisis, commonly known as Mariel II, during which over 35,000 Cubans fled the island
and headed towards Florida. This paper argues that Castro launched the crisis in an attempt
to manipulate the US's fears of another Mariel boatlift, in order to compel a shift in United
States (US) policy, both on immigration and on a wider variety of issues. As the end of the
crisis brought with it a radical redefinition of US immigration policy toward Cuba, the paper
further contends that from Castro's perspective, this exercise in coercion proved a qualified
success-his third such successful use of the Cuban people as an asymmetric political weapon
against the US.
... one of the few arrows in Castro's quiver, he used it effectively. The article is about the
1994 Balseros Crisis, but Greenhill recounts : The Camarioca Crisis, 1965; The Mariel Boatlift,
1980; and The August 1994 Balseros Crisis. The Mariel Boatlift was 'the big one' : 125,000 Cubans.
Dwarfed by Erdogan. A million in Germany alone.
I suppose you could say the migration was engineered in both the Cuban and Turkey cases, with
the US and US/EU/Turkey creating the migrants and Castro and Erdogan, respectively, acting as
gatekeepers.
The difference is that the migrants are not Turks, in Erdogan's case, but his prey,
the people of Syriaq. And the people of the EU, of course.
"... "WikiLeaks cables (see below) show that the US has been tracking, and exploiting, the rise of ISIS since 2006, when the organisation first appeared in Iraq as a direct result of the Bush-Blair invasion. Like Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge, ISIS are the mutations of a western state terror dispensed by a venal imperial elite undeterred by the consequences of actions taken at great remove in distance and culture. Their culpability is unmentionable in "our" societies." ..."
"... The WikiLeaks revelations tell of former French Foreign Minister Roland Dumas' statements on this too. What he revealed is that Britain basically made plans for the Syria disaster years ago. ..."
Saudi Arabia is in dire trouble today as the outcry over recent executions mounts. The execution
of Shia Sheikh Nimr Baqr al-Nimr in the most brutal day of executions in the country in three
decades has now sparked violence across the region. If Saudi Arabia is destabilized, the Middle
East could easily turn into a bloodbath of biblical proportions. This begs the big question, "What
is really behind these apparently symbolic executions?" [...]
[...] In the Shadow of Machiavelli
The best clue as to "who stands behind" this new Saudi-Iran crisis comes to us from the Washington
Post. For anyone still unaware, this Amazon owned media outlet is the perfect barometer of what
is NOT true in the world of international affairs these days. Using "reverse news" psychology
here, the article by Karen DeYoung tells us all we need to know about al-Nimr's execution. If
you will allow me this quote:
"Obama administration officials expressed deep concern Sunday that the abrupt escalation
of tensions between Saudi Arabia and Iran could have repercussions extending to the fight against
the Islamic State in Syria and Iraq, the diplomatic efforts to end Syria's civil war, and wider
efforts to bring stability to the Middle East."
Citing unnamed officials in Barack Obama's administration has become the guiding principle
of corporate media in America these last few years, and the Washington Post misdirects have never
been more transparent than today. This piece is misleading, supportive of Saudi and US disruption
in the region, and anti-Iranian to the extreme. The author continues using another source who
is a "authorized to convey Saudi thinking on the condition of anonymity," if you can imagine such
a conveyance. According to the WP, Saudi Arabia is framed as the only nation "doing something",
and I quote:
"Tehran has thumbed its nose at the West again and again, continuing to sponsor terrorism
and launch ballistic missiles and no one is doing anything about it."
Then BAM! Steve Bezos' newspaper barks the real intent of this propaganda bit bringing Russia
into the fray with:
" Iran, along with Russia, is the leading backer of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, a
member of a minority Shiite sect, and Riyadh views the civil war as part of Iran's fight for sectarian
dominance."
As I type this from our offices in Germany, US F-15 and F-16 fighters fly overhead in a continuous
stream from the US air base at Spangdahlem Air Base. I mention this only because 2 years ago we
seldom if ever heard fighter aircraft overhead. These days even locals wonder if the flyovers
have a purpose beyond intimidation, or at least some residents have expressed this to me personally.
The current undeclared war of resolve, it bears witnessing and a focus on all these events in
the Middle East. My point being, Riyadh's actions of the last few days are part of an overall
western strategy of unrest. If the Washington Post tells you Obama's White House is worried over
something, you can count on the Washington having been part of the cause of the event. In this
case we see the "never say die" war against Assad and Russia in the works. It is a crazy bit of
irony that WP's editor Karen DeYoung was once quoted as saying; "We are inevitably the mouthpiece
for whatever administration is in power."
Meanwhile, at the newspaper (The Wall Street Journal) owned by billionaire Rupert Murdoch (who
has energy investments in the region) we have another indicative report, or should I say "counter
indicative?" Jay Solomon reports on the weeping sadness of Barack Obama that his non-existent
peace plan for Syria may be derailed by Riyhad's decision to sever ties with Iran. Within this
report the "real" mission of the Saudis, and Washington's current administration is revealed.
I'll rely on another quite to clue the reader. Referring to the John Kerry brokered "plan" the
Wall Street Journal writer inadvertently betrays the Obama administration with:
"Under the deal, Iran in the coming months is set to receive as much as $100 billion in
frozen oil revenues, which could be used to support its proxies in Iraq, Lebanon, Syria and Yemen."
To sum up here, the goal all along has been misdirect from Obama's team. The Iran deal, the
parlaying at various peace accords, all the State Department's efforts have been designed to frame
the United States as peace loving, with the teddy bear John Kerry as a sort of Mother Teresa of
détente. Has anyone noticed yet how every deal the man makes goes south in the end? Now Iran coming
out of decades of useless sanctions is on the rocks, as was planned so it appears. The WSJ piece
further implicates (by inaccuracy) the White House's Machiavellian strategies with.
" As the conflict deepened over the weekend, with Saudi Arabia officially severing ties with
Iran, U.S. officials expressed skepticism over how much influence Washington had in heading off
a conflict based on centuries-old religious divisions."
It is with this, and with the ad nauseam with which mainstream media parrots State Department
rhetoric we find the true backers of terrorism and strife in the Middle East. The statement misleads
readers into believing the situation in the Middle East is "out of the control" of Obama and Washington,
when the reverse is absolutely true. The story goes on to plant the seed of military support for
Saudi Arabia should the situation escalate, which it is certain to with the help of the lame duck
Obama.
When all is said and done, Nimr Baqr al-Nimr was a man of peaceful advocacy for the people
of his belief and his region of Saudi Arabia. There is literally no proof to the contrary, yet
he was summarily executed by a regime notorious for beheading its citizens. The Unites States
of America has not only backed this regime, but has aligned herself in an auspicious manner over
the years essentially using the Saudis as a vassal for regional control. This section of a WikiLeaks
cable damns the Saudis for helping create the mess in Syria and elsewhere:
"The USG engages regularly with the Saudi Government on terrorist financing. The establishment
in 2008 of a Treasury attache office presence in Riyadh contributes to robust interaction and
information sharing on the issue. Despite this presence, however, more needs to be done since
Saudi Arabia remains a critical financial support base for al-Qa'ida, the Taliban, LeT, and other
terrorist groups, including Hamas, which probably raise millions of dollars annually from Saudi
sources, often during Hajj and Ramadan. In contrast to its increasingly aggressive efforts to
disrupt al-Qa'ida's access to funding from Saudi sources, Riyadh has taken only limited action
to disrupt fundraising for the UN 1267-listed Taliban and LeT-groups that are also aligned with
al-Qa'ida and focused on undermining stability in Afghanistan and Pakistan."
Revelations Verse 19:11
The cable is from the US State Department to various offices of the Saudi government, that
of the UAE, Kuwait, and Qatar. This cable, along with dozens of other revelations about the backers
of terror in the world, leaves no room for ambiguity. But what's far more disturbing is the way
Washington, London and to a lesser extent Brussels are portraying current unrest as some type
of religious war. The Christian-Jew-Muslim aspects of these crises are being used to hide the
real cause of corporate governments supplanting rights and freedoms. This is a larger argument,
but the correct one at this stage. What the world suffers from now is a hell bent effort by the
godless of the world (elite bankers) to once again spark crusades for the purposes of strategy
and profit. Most people reading this fully understand this, even though the exact culprits may
be obscure.
The summary of this story is fairly easy to parlay. Saudi Arabia just made a play for the neocons
in Washington, the bankers in London, and for the Tel Aviv instigators who have so far remained
in the shadows in all this. They created a martyr who may well serve their utterly evil needs,
to set the world on fire one more time. Let me leave you with the most damning quote I have yet
found. It is from WikiLeaks, and implicates the Obama and previous US administrations:
"WikiLeaks cables (see below) show that the US has been tracking, and exploiting, the rise
of ISIS since 2006, when the organisation first appeared in Iraq as a direct result of the Bush-Blair
invasion. Like Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge, ISIS are the mutations of a western state terror dispensed
by a venal imperial elite undeterred by the consequences of actions taken at great remove in distance
and culture. Their culpability is unmentionable in "our" societies."
Make no mistake here, America and Britain created this mess in the world, with the help of
profiting allies like Saudi Arabia.
The WikiLeaks revelations tell of former French Foreign Minister
Roland Dumas' statements on this too. What he revealed is that Britain basically made plans for
the Syria disaster years ago.
What we are witnessing is a last ditch effort to counter Vladimir
Putin's play in the region, and to either win a new Syria partitioning, or else burn the deserts
in total.
This is a world war in the making, and the man on the pale horse seems evident now,
the leader of the faithful and true. God help us all.
Lets not forget that the Syrian refugee migration is a manufactured crisis - as b pointed out early
on when he noted that it fuels calls that
"something must be done!"
about Assad/Syria.
"For the first time in my political career I have heard politicians openly declaring that the
refugees heading to Europe are their method of getting (us) [the EU] to act a certain way,"
Can't disagree with this message from the Iranian Foreign Minister..
"Saudi Arabia can either continue supporting extremist terrorists and promoting
sectarian hatred, or it can opt for good neighborliness and play a constructive role
in promoting regional stability, however; Iran hopes that Saudi Arabia will be
persuaded to heed the call of reason,"
Zarif said that there are indications that some in Saudi Arabia are on a mission
to drag the entire region to conflict; fearing that removal of the smokescreen of the
manufactured Iranian nuclear threat would expose the real global threat posed by
extremists and their sponsors, according to IRNA.
The Iranian foreign minister recalled that those involved in extremist carnage and
most members of Al-Qaeda, the Taliban, ISIL and Al-Nusra Front being either Saudi
nationals, or otherwise brainwashed by petro-financed demagogues, who have promoted
an anti-Islamic message of hatred, exclusion and sectarianism across the globe for
decades.
"... ...Russia ( China) will continue to promote the BS plan of partnership with the West... because it maintains and reinforces their record of promoting global unity and cooperation. Their (almost) joint military announcements on the same forum, on the same day (January 2, 2016) was intended as a final(?) warning that theres an iron fist in Chinas velvet glove of friendship, and that Russia isnt buying US-NATOs bs. ..."
"... This thing about Russia, and Putin especially, calling everybody colleagues and partners, tends to make us think that Russia believes that these nations can be trusted, but I dont think for one moment that this is the case. The language Russia uses is simply the courtesy of reason, used equally by friend and hangman. Russia likes to give people a chance to change because it knows how frequently this happens. We can see ourselves that this is so. ..."
"... Either the American people will discover how to regain control of their politics - unlikely, given that no other Western democracy can pull off that trick - or President Carters oligarchs will get their act together. As in Francos Spain or as in Russia in the late 1990s they will discover that theres more to running a country than looting it. Someone has to set long term policy objectives and hold it all together just so theres something to loot. ..."
"... the case of the 2008 meltdown where the little people where penalized and the banks were let off with a bailout is a good example of how i see things unfolding.. the banks are considered more central and in need of being bailed out then the little people.. that seems like money is the main driver, as opposed to looking after the society more generally.. ..."
"... The USA attacks militarily directly, or by overt other means (economic), or behind the curtain: ..."
"... countries, groups, that have a socialistic bent, try to do well for their citizens, and/or espouse some ideology that appears, *on the face of it*, anti-capitalistic, nationalistic, or pan-national (e.g. Communism in the past, Baath party, Arab nationalism, Cuba.) ..."
"... Energy rich countries who wont open up to US corps, domination. (ex. Venezuela), or wont permit US type banking system in their country, or arent subservient enough on a host of points (ex. Syria, Lybia) or somehow manage to cozy and then resist for a long while (ex. Iraq) ..."
Since now the Russian Federation has now openly declared the US and NATO strategic threats to Russia,
will Russia and Putin now quit with the always BS plan of partnership with the West against terrorism
in Syria?
Putin did try hard to retain a status quo friendly position with the current leadership of
the West, but that is a genocidal, racist, class war, maniacle capitilist, earth polluting, and generally
evil west, that deserves to die ASAP. If small Cuba right on the evil US empires door was able to
resist, why not far larger Russia?
...Russia (& China) will continue to promote the "BS plan of partnership with the West..." because it
maintains and reinforces their record of promoting global unity and cooperation. Their (almost) joint
military announcements on the same forum, on the same day (January 2, 2016) was intended as a final(?)
warning that there's an iron fist in China's velvet glove of friendship, and that Russia isn't buying
US-NATO's bs.
Russia's Syria intervention was, imo, more of an experiment than an exercise in resuscitating
a broken Syria. Putin needed to know whether thwarting ISIS was REALLY as hard as US-NATO was making
it look, and gave himself 4 months to find out. But he'd be the first, one imagines, to admit that
swatting head-chopping mosquitoes whilst doing NOTHING about the swamps in which they breed, could
easily become an exercise in Perpetual Pointlessness.
As the end of Russia's 4-month 'fact-finding mission' in Syria draws to a close, it's highly likely
that Russia knows a lot more about swamps and head-choppers than it did on September 30, 2015 and
what, and how, to implement a more effective course of therapy. Preferably non-violent but if n-v
proves to be impractical, then with as much (Russian & Chinese) violence as necessary to produce
a cure.
Your description of the Orwellian nature of current media output is sickeningly accurate. During
recent annual phone conversations with old friends that were hip to the BS in the 60-70's, a few
are now ranting about Muslims and those conversations were short. The effectiveness of TV as a brainwashing
tool is under 'appreciated". That said, it is encouraging to read b and commenters here cutting through
the BS.
Just keep remembering the role that private financing and the global plutocrats play at the top
of our real-life SimWorld
This thing about Russia, and Putin especially, calling everybody colleagues and partners,
tends to make us think that Russia believes that these nations can be trusted, but I don't think
for one moment that this is the case. The language Russia uses is simply the courtesy of reason,
used equally by friend and hangman. Russia likes to give people a chance to change because it knows
how frequently this happens. We can see ourselves that this is so.
If you haven't watched the World Order documentary yet, I highly recommend it. It's a powerful
dose of realpolitik and recent history, with English subtitles by Vox Populi. Putin describes in
very plain terms much of the substance of Russia's foreign policy. There will be no nuclear war,
he believes, and I trust his judgment on this.
He is consciously changing the world, nudging it to return to a fundamental recognition of the
global balance of power, as it once relied on that recognition. I believe he will live to see this
effort succeed in his own time:
World Order. Documentary.
Eng. Subs.
Haha, I like the notion of Israel and Saudi Arabia's inverse relationship in our wonderful capitalist
ideal...Israel being the western capitalist 'welfare state' if you will. A tumour...a useless growth
displaying all the nasty excesses of the ideal... the type of sick rich child that repeatedly tortures
animals because there is no negative recourse for doing so. Saudi Arabia, the other sick rich kid
sitting on an inheritance it does not have the wisdom to know what to do with - its plaything called
oil.
Its surplus, foolishly, reinvested in the US financial sector...creating this monster called the
petrodollar...the major denomination of our age...our reality.
"@17 lw... yes - money is a factor, even if pl at ssr doesn't agree!"
Could we say that money is an indispensable but secondary factor? The corporations and lobbyists
do buy the politicians, as President Carter explained to us recently, but that's to get immediate
benefits such as contracts or other favours in return. They do of course need a foreign policy framework
that allows for such a return but I don't think they are too bothered by what that framework is.
The present framework, if that's not too kind a term for it, is partly set by the ideologues -
Wolfowitz and Brzezinski et al are first and foremost ideologues rather than pork barrel practitioners
- and partly by the random workings of the American political and administrative machinery. Random
because there is little control of that machinery from underneath - government by the people scarcely
exists in the US since it costs so much to get a politician elected - and little control from above:
as explained, as long as the corporations get their immediate return they have no interest in setting
long term and coherent foreign policy objectives.
So the crazies are out of the basement and running the front office. Why not? - it was empty anyway
so it was open to whoever chanced along.
They won't be there for ever.
Either the American people will discover how to regain control of
their politics - unlikely, given that no other Western democracy can pull off that trick - or President
Carter's 'oligarchs' will get their act together. As in Franco's Spain or as in Russia in the late
1990's they will discover that there's more to running a country than looting it. Someone has to
set long term policy objectives and hold it all together just so there's something to loot.
Which will happen, and how, is anyone's guess but I doubt we'll see current American foreign policy
perpetuated. Unless the US is destined simply to self-destruct - and take the rest of us down with
it - someone, voter or oligarch, will be obliged to take its government in hand and do some thinking
about the long term.
When that happens the crazies will have to return to the basement and, if only out of the need
for survival, someone is going to have to work at devising policies that aren't so obviously suicidal
for the US. With any luck, they won't be so murderous for the rest of us either.
@44 peter... thanks.. those are reasonable viewpoints to hold on the complicated dynamics
that define how the usa operates.. i think they are more idealistic then how i see it.. i am not
sure money is a 2ndary consideration so much as it is the most important ingredient in the capitalist
ideology, devoid of more social considerations.. it seems to me that democracy is only a good idea
if it can't be bought out by (special interests groups) - money.. as it stands the usa is a good
example of what happens when it is bought out by money.. meanwhile there are a lot of good people
that wish the best for the country and hopefully the world by extension, but i don't see them as
having the influence and control that the more self interested moneyed group has.. so, i would flip
the way you see it whereby money is the primary consideration, especially in an atmosphere where
the folks on the bottom end will do whatever they have to do, to continue to live, eat and have a
roof over their heads..
the case of the 2008 meltdown where the little people where penalized and the banks were let off
with a bailout is a good example of how i see things unfolding.. the banks are considered more central
and in need of being bailed out then the little people.. that seems like money is the main driver,
as opposed to looking after the society more generally..
24;comparing 17th,18th and 19th century attitudes with 20th and 21st century ones are very
problematic.Yes,the white settlers,who to a man(and woman)believed themselves superior to the red
black and brown man.Many still do,but the internal domestic expansion violence was nationalistic,while
our current escapades world wide are internationalist Zionism and imperialism,and are not really
comparable other than victim counts.
Obomba;A lot of words while the roof falls in;Hamlet.
Dan at 2.
There is no single cohesive policy. Only selfishness
The USA attacks militarily directly, or by overt other means (economic), or behind the curtain:
those that challenge it even in the imagination, provided small and pretty powerless
countries, groups, that have a 'socialistic' bent, try to do well for their citizens, and/or
espouse some ideology that appears, *on the face of it*, anti-capitalistic, nationalistic, or pan-national
(e.g. Communism in the past, Baath party, Arab nationalism, Cuba.)
those who try to annul or wash away ethnic, racist, religious, and so on differences in favor
of some kind of 'universality', a citizen status, mandate - this goes against the colonialist model,
abroad and at home, in which ppl are sand niggers, blacks, etc. The US support for equality thus
turns to trivia, gay marriage, quarrels about abortion, etc.
Energy rich countries who won't open up to US corps, domination. (ex. Venezuela), or won't
permit US type banking system in their country, or aren't subservient enough on a host of points
(ex. Syria, Lybia) or somehow manage to cozy and then resist for a long while (ex. Iraq)
Those who are involved massively with illegal and dubious trade - human trafficking, organ
sales, child forced prostitution, drugs, illegal arms, condoned murder of rivals, vicious internal
repression, heavy torture, prisons, etc. are generally supported, but on occasion they rebel or try
for other, which is not to be allowed (ex. Afghanistan)
Anyone that can be attacked on any grounds, opportunistically, to racketeer fines, big sums
of money, such as in the banking sector.
Countries it pretends to admire who are secretely dominated by them and only escape ostracim,
sanctions or bombs or more by subservience, and a 'belonging to a controlled block' (EU.) Sweden
and the Netherlands come to mind.
Other.
That is a lot countries, people, all together. The foreign policy is not cohesive, I agree, it
is simply all over the board, adjusted all the time, based on ad hoc criteria, racist supremacy,
capitalistic short term profiteering, snobby disaproval, empty rage, power plays, sectorial interests,
corporate meddling, personal arm-twisting and blackmail, deals with foreign potentates, arms production
and selling which needs war, and on and on.
"... The USA attacks militarily directly, or by overt other means (economic), or behind the curtain: ..."
"... countries, groups, that have a socialistic bent, try to do well for their citizens, and/or espouse some ideology that appears, *on the face of it*, anti-capitalistic, nationalistic, or pan-national (e.g. Communism in the past, Baath party, Arab nationalism, Cuba.) ..."
"... Energy rich countries who wont open up to US corps, domination. (ex. Venezuela), or wont permit US type banking system in their country, or arent subservient enough on a host of points (ex. Syria, Lybia) or somehow manage to cozy and then resist for a long while (ex. Iraq) ..."
Dan at 2.
There is no single cohesive policy. Only selfishness
The USA attacks militarily directly, or by overt other means (economic), or behind the curtain:
those that challenge it even in the imagination, provided small and pretty powerless
countries, groups, that have a 'socialistic' bent, try to do well for their citizens, and/or
espouse some ideology that appears, *on the face of it*, anti-capitalistic, nationalistic, or pan-national
(e.g. Communism in the past, Baath party, Arab nationalism, Cuba.)
those who try to annul or wash away ethnic, racist, religious, and so on differences in favor
of some kind of 'universality', a citizen status, mandate - this goes against the colonialist model,
abroad and at home, in which ppl are sand niggers, blacks, etc. The US support for equality thus
turns to trivia, gay marriage, quarrels about abortion, etc.
Energy rich countries who won't open up to US corps, domination. (ex. Venezuela), or won't
permit US type banking system in their country, or aren't subservient enough on a host of points
(ex. Syria, Lybia) or somehow manage to cozy and then resist for a long while (ex. Iraq)
Those who are involved massively with illegal and dubious trade - human trafficking, organ
sales, child forced prostitution, drugs, illegal arms, condoned murder of rivals, vicious internal
repression, heavy torture, prisons, etc. are generally supported, but on occasion they rebel or try
for other, which is not to be allowed (ex. Afghanistan)
Anyone that can be attacked on any grounds, opportunistically, to racketeer fines, big sums
of money, such as in the banking sector.
Countries it pretends to admire who are secretely dominated by them and only escape ostracim,
sanctions or bombs or more by subservience, and a 'belonging to a controlled block' (EU.) Sweden
and the Netherlands come to mind.
Other.
That is a lot countries, people, all together. The foreign policy is not cohesive, I agree, it
is simply all over the board, adjusted all the time, based on ad hoc criteria, racist supremacy,
capitalistic short term profiteering, snobby disaproval, empty rage, power plays, sectorial interests,
corporate meddling, personal arm-twisting and blackmail, deals with foreign potentates, arms production
and selling which needs war, and on and on.
"... The Obama administration has since March provided expedited arms sales, logistics support, targeting intelligence, air refueling and combat search and rescue for the Saudi war on Yemen. Its navy helps with the blockade of the Yemeni coast. How can the Obama administration be sharply critical of the Saudi war on Yemen when it provides the critical means for that war? ..."
"... I doubt that we will hear any sharply critical condemnation of that bombing of civilian infrastructure from U.S. officials. ..."
"... In the Saudi-Iran proxy conflicts the U.S. supports and urges the Saudis on because it is in its geopolitical interest . Saudi financed jihadist have been helpful in achieving U.S. geopolitical goals in the 1980s in Afghanistan against the Soviets, in Yugoslavia, in Chechnya as now in Syria against the Russians and in Xinjiang against the Chinese. There is no room for human rights or other concerns within that framework. There is room though for billions of weapon sales and millions given by the Saudis to U.S. and UK politicians as well as for public relations . ..."
"... That is utter bullshit. The U.S. is working on regime change in Syria at least since 2006 . The U.S. is enabling the clear and present danger posed by Islamist terrorists through its alliance with al-Qaeda . It always had and has the choice to cease and desist from meddling in the Middle East and elsewhere to the benefit of the average U.S. citizen as well as to the benefit of the people living in the Middle East. ..."
"... U.S. media lie when they depict the U.S. as a benevolent entity that stumbles through the Middle East and other areas misled in the dark by Saudi Arabia and Israel. It is the U.S. that is the ruthless superpower that solely enables those barbaric entities to exist. ..."
"... The US government is beholden to lobby groups interested in feathering their nests and getting their way. US foreign policy has also been consistent from one presidential administration to the next. ..."
"... The fact that US foreign policy has been consistent from George W Bush to Barack Obama could say a great deal about the style of Obamas presidency. What has Obama been able to achieve in the 8 years he has been POTUS that has been positive and which has given his presidency a particular distinction and flavour that represent the mans character and personality? I submit not much at all. The impression I get (btw, I live on the other side of the Pacific Ocean from the US) is that Obama is a weak leader who has never been able to control and rein in particular members of his cabinet like his previous Secretary of State, much less the ideologue she brought with her who planned and carried out the coup that deposed President Yanukovych in Ukraine in February 2014, and who handpicked the fellow who is currently that nations prime minister. I might also suggest that George W Bush was a weak leader who did as he was told. ..."
"... The neo-cons are the establishments political death-squads, the sinister arm of the executive who resorts to them whenever the establishment/Deep State need to eliminate anyone considered an enemy of the empire, followed by an installation of puppets. ..."
"... Neo-cons are in close coordination with CIAs clandestine/black operations branch, working together all aspects of any operation at hand, the CIA with the operative/military goons, the neo-cons with the political crooks. A typical example was in Banderastan, where the CIA had been actively recruiting/training the nazi bastards for years, ready for the Maidan, ehem, revolution, with the neo-cons putting together the political puppets ( I think Yats is the guy ) who would become the facade of the nazi takeover. ..."
The "western" public,
especially in Europe
, now prefers good relations with Iran over relations with Saudi Arabia.
It is a natural development when one considers that jihadi terrorism is a
real concern
and that the
people involved in most international terrorist incidents follow variants of the Saudi spread Wahhabi
ideology.
This is now developing into a problem for the U.S. administration. Saudi Arabia, as other Gulf
statelets, is a U.S. client state. Without U.S. support it would have ceased to exist a long time
ago. The Saudis are made to pay for U.S. protection by buying overpriced U.S. weapon systems for
tens of billion dollars per year. They also finance joint projects like the war against the Soviets
in Afghanistan and currently the U.S. regime change war on Syria.
U.S. relation with Iran have become somewhat better due to the nuclear deal. But the Islamic Republic
of Iran will never be a U.S. client state. Seen from the perspective of the global strategic competition
it is in the same camp as the U.S. foes Russia and China. Unless the U.S. ceases to strive for global
dominance it will continue to support its proxies on the western side of the Persian Gulf rather
then the Iranians of the eastern side.
The changed public view, very much visible after the recent Saudi execution of Nimr Baqr al-Nimr,
necessitates to mask the real U.S. position by claiming that it is opposed to Saudi Arabian policies.
The stenographers in U.S. media are always willing to help their government when such a cover up
for a shoddy position is needed.
In the Washington Post Karen De Young supports the administration by
providing
this lie:
The United States has long joined international human rights organizations and other Western
governments in criticizing Saudi human rights abuses ..
Her colleague David Sanger at the New York Times is
debunks
that nonsense point with a rare reference to reality:
The United States has usually looked the other way or issued carefully calibrated warnings in
human rights reports as the Saudi royal family cracked down on dissent and free speech and allowed
its elite to fund Islamic extremists.
Sanger then replaces the "U.S. supports human-rights in Saudi Arabia" lie with another blatant
one:
the administration has [..] been sharply critical of the Saudi intervention in Yemen
The Obama administration has since March provided expedited arms sales, logistics support,
targeting intelligence, air refueling and combat search and rescue for the Saudi war on Yemen. Its
navy helps with the blockade of the Yemeni coast. How can the Obama administration be "sharply critical"
of the Saudi war on Yemen when it provides the critical means for that war?
Since Sunday there have been at least 11 Saudi air attacks on Yemen's capital Sanaa. Last night
another wedding hall, the Commerce Chamber and the AlNoor Centre for the Blind were
destroyed
by U.S. provided Saudi bombs.
I doubt that we will hear any "sharply critical"
condemnation of that bombing of civilian infrastructure from U.S. officials.
In the Saudi-Iran proxy conflicts the U.S. supports and urges the Saudis on because it is
in its geopolitical interest
. Saudi financed jihadist have been helpful in achieving U.S. geopolitical
goals in the 1980s in Afghanistan against the Soviets, in Yugoslavia, in Chechnya as now in Syria
against the Russians and in Xinjiang against the Chinese. There is no room for human rights or other
concerns within that framework. There is room though for billions of weapon sales and millions given
by the Saudis
to U.S.
and UK
politicians as well as
for public relations
.
The New York Times editors
falsely
claim
there is no choice for the U.S. other then to do what it does:
The tangled and volatile realities of the Middle East do not give the United States or the European
Union the luxury of choosing or rejecting allies on moral criteria.
Washington has no
choice
but to deal with regimes like those in Tehran [..] or in Riyadh to combat the
clear and present danger posed by Islamist terrorists or to search for solutions to massively
destabilizing conflicts like the Syrian civil war.
That is utter bullshit. The U.S. is working on regime change in Syria at least
since 2006
. The U.S. is enabling "the clear
and present danger posed by Islamist terrorists" through its
alliance with al-Qaeda
.
It always had and has the choice to cease and desist from meddling in the Middle East and elsewhere
to the benefit of the average U.S. citizen as well as to the benefit of the people living in the
Middle East.
U.S. media lie when they depict the U.S. as a benevolent entity that stumbles through the
Middle East and other areas misled in the dark by Saudi Arabia and Israel. It is the U.S. that is
the ruthless superpower that solely enables those barbaric entities to exist.
"The Western public now prefers good relations w/ Iran over relations w/ Saudi Arabia" I can't
speak for everyone in the West but that is my sentiments exactly. Iran has been the center of
deep state propaganda for so long that we have failed to realize - the Saudi's are more in need
of a regime change then anyone in that region. Ultimately, screw them all, except for Syria -
i'll never forget what Saudi Arabia and Turkey / western cohorts did to Syria - I hope it comes
back to nest in Saudi Arabia..
Pleased that you included that excellent link from the Intercept, this from 'rrheard' in the
comments section, it was so good I do hope he does not mind me posting part of it here. "America's
foreign policy relationship with Saudi Arabia is based on exactly two things historically–Saudi's
willingness to be a US proxy against communism in the region and the oil and weapons trade.
And that says all you need to know about America's moral compass as well. I love the idea of
my country, and absolutely detest what its leaders have done since WWII in service if its elites
perceived "interests". Because I can guaranfuckingtee you that America's foreign policy over the
last 60 years has nothing to do with the "best interests" of the American people, humanitarianism,
human rights or the "interests" of any other people on the planet despite the cradle to grave
propaganda apparatus in America that has a significant majority of American's believing such transparent
twaddle as "American exceptionalism" or "we are always well intentioned, we just make mistakes"
when it comes to the mass slaughter of non-Americans all over the globe.
There hardly a fucking dictator on the planet that hasn't been backed by the American government
and its business elites, politically and/or economically, so long as they are pliant when it comes
to towing the line on America's "interests"."
tom
| Jan 5, 2016 2:12:32 PM | 10
Agree with B, except with popular opinion. Most of the Western public so politically unprincipled
and cowardly that they can be swayed quite easily to western imperial propaganda. It's just a
matter of when the media turned on the hate/fear switch up to 2/10.
Just look at the reminder in Congo genocide, with the people couldn't give a fuck, and is one
of the worst genocides since World War II. Or the Rwandan genocide, with the propaganda that turned
most of the victims into the guilty party and then lead genocidedal maniac - Paul Kagame, as the
"sympathetic" president -now for life - thanks to the evil US empires evil media.
Blaming the Russians for the plane crash over Ukraine, gas attacks blamed on Assad. And then
you can count thousands of examples where people in the west vote or support policies that are
against their own health, social and political interests.
No, most Western people are willing to place the jackboot gladly under their neck, till they realise
it's too late.
Jen
| Jan 5, 2016 2:49:13 PM | 15
To Dan @2 and Jackrabbit @5:
In an odd way, you are both right.
The US government is beholden to lobby groups interested
in feathering their nests and getting their way. US foreign policy has also been consistent from
one presidential administration to the next.
Think of the US government as several psychopaths working together. Psychopaths basically only
care about looking out for No 1. If two or more psychopaths discover that working together allows
them to fulfill their individual goals quicker than if they worked separately, then they'll co-operate.
The fact that US foreign policy has been consistent from George W Bush to Barack Obama
could say a great deal about the style of Obama's presidency. What has Obama been able to achieve
in the 8 years he has been POTUS that has been positive and which has given his presidency a particular
distinction and flavour that represent the man's character and personality? I submit not much
at all. The impression I get (btw, I live on the other side of the Pacific Ocean from the US)
is that Obama is a weak leader who has never been able to control and rein in particular members
of his cabinet like his previous Secretary of State, much less the ideologue she brought with
her who planned and carried out the coup that deposed President Yanukovych in Ukraine in February
2014, and who handpicked the fellow who is currently that nation's prime minister. I might also
suggest that George W Bush was a weak leader who did as he was told.
In short, if the oil lobby, the pro-Israeli lobby, other industry and country lobbies in the
US government find that their interests coincide, they'll work as one through Congress and the
various federal government departments.
harry law
| Jan 5, 2016 3:42:05 PM | 19
Lysias@18 Trump: 'I would want to protect Saudi Arabia' he goes on, "That's phase one - to
go into Saudi Arabia and, frankly, the Saudis don't survive without us. And the question is, at
what point do we get involved and how much will Saudi Arabia pay us to save them?"
This is exactly what the Mafia say to their victims.
Oui
| Jan 5, 2016 4:13:45 PM | 21
Trump speaks the lingo of the House of Saud, well at least of Prince Bandar, now deposed of
his key role to influence the West. Wasn't it Bandar who offered a terror free Sochi games for
Assad's head on a platter. Putin must have calmly replied if any harm comes to Russia in the period
of the Olympic Winter games, Saudi Arabia may just lose one of it's cities.
Blair and now Cameron deal with Saudi Arabia to exchange modern weapons for protection from
AQ terror in the UK. It's the British (and French) who were willing to join Obama in bombing Assad's
Syria in September 2013. Now it's the British and Americans who offer intelligence and logistic
support to KSA and the GCC allies in bombing Yemen back to deeper medieval times. AQAP will use
this to their advantage.
The DC rag WP is really craving for a good, big sectarian regional war in ME, I am afraid they
are not going to get it, Iranian have been acting responsibly not letting US, Israel, and their
Arab insecure clientele wishes come
Through. Never the less WP editors would want their readers believe Iranian protestors meant
to attack a SUNNI embassy, and not the Embassy of Saudi Arabia who was responsible for executed
an innocent Shia high clergy.
"The execution of Shiite cleric Nimr Baqr al-Nimr by Saudi Arabia has sparked a furor
in the Middle East along sectarian lines. In Iran, the regional Shiite superpower, the Sunni
embassy was ransacked and burned."
Obama 'Connived' with Neocons for a Bashar Replacement
Very good points, Oui.
The neo-cons are the establishment's political death-squads, the
sinister arm of the executive who resorts to them whenever the establishment/Deep State need to
eliminate anyone considered an "enemy" of the empire, followed by an installation of puppets.
Neo-cons are in close coordination with CIA's "clandestine/black operations" branch, working
together all aspects of any operation at hand, the CIA with the operative/military goons, the
neo-cons with the political crooks. A typical example was in Banderastan, where the CIA had been
actively recruiting/training the nazi bastards for years, ready for the Maidan, ehem, "revolution,"
with the neo-cons putting together the political puppets ("I think Yats is the guy") who would
become the facade of the nazi takeover.
Syria, on the other hand, was a hard nut to crack, the neo-cons and the CIA made severe mistakes
underestimating Assad and the resistance of the Syrian people. US/UK/NATO were announcing the
fall of Assad every other day, and while many of those Western "leaders" are gone, Assad has survived
all their ill-predictions. Neo-cons/CIA are fuming at the mouth constantly looking for a way to
reverse their losses, and starting a little war between KSA-Iran is not such a bad idea, neo-cons
swim like fish in chaos.
They are getting set for another defeat by old Persian wisdom.
Dan at 2.
There is no single cohesive policy. Only selfishness
The USA attacks militarily directly, or by overt other means (economic), or behind
the curtain:
those that challenge it even in the imagination, provided small and pretty
powerless
countries, groups, that have a 'socialistic' bent, try to do well for their
citizens, and/or espouse some ideology that appears, *on the face of it*,
anti-capitalistic, nationalistic, or pan-national (e.g. Communism in the past, Baath
party, Arab nationalism, Cuba.)
those who try to annul or wash away ethnic, racist, religious, and so on
differences in favor of some kind of 'universality', a citizen status, mandate - this
goes against the colonialist model, abroad and at home, in which ppl are sand niggers,
blacks, etc. The US support for equality thus turns to trivia, gay marriage, quarrels
about abortion, etc.
Energy rich countries who won't open up to US corps, domination. (ex. Venezuela),
or won't permit US type banking system in their country, or aren't subservient enough on
a host of points (ex. Syria, Lybia) or somehow manage to cozy and then resist for a long
while (ex. Iraq)
Those who are involved massively with illegal and dubious trade - human
trafficking, organ sales, child forced prostitution, drugs, illegal arms, condoned
murder of rivals, vicious internal repression, heavy torture, prisons, etc. are
generally supported, but on occasion they rebel or try for other, which is not to be
allowed (ex. Afghanistan)
Anyone that can be attacked on any grounds, opportunistically, to racketeer fines,
big sums of money, such as in the banking sector.
Countries it pretends to admire who are secretly dominated by them and only
escape ostracism, sanctions or bombs or more by subservience, and a 'belonging to a
controlled block' (EU.) Sweden and the Netherlands come to mind.
Other.
That is a lot countries, people, all together. The foreign policy is not cohesive, I
agree, it is simply all over the board, adjusted all the time, based on ad hoc criteria,
racist supremacy, capitalistic short term profiteering, snobby disapproval, empty rage,
power plays, sectorial interests, corporate meddling, personal arm-twisting and
blackmail, deals with foreign potentates, arms production and selling which needs war,
and on and on.
"... Never liked the guy, knew the hopium and changium memes and slogans were a big scam! Worse than Bush, because you at least knew where Bush stood. Obama is a fraudster of the worse kind! ..."
"... Obama has done a lot of his slaughtering under the radar with drones and assassination teams and, being a black guy with a funny name, this is not sufficient to make many feel safe . ..."
"... All these factors lead us to see Obama as a dubious or awful president ..."
"... I think most of us who find Obama seriously wanting are more objectively correct than those who excuse what we see as his deliberate malfeasance. ..."
"... the critique of Obama because sometimes it gives off the angry white guy vibe that can be ugly and render your criticisms suspect. ..."
"... . Youd think that a nation that adores England would note how the British Empire decayed and how the north of England was a swath of poverty and degradation well into the 1960s. ..."
"... You may know that some interpretations of the Pandoras Box myth have the release of Hope at the very end not as a type of relief, but as a final scourge. ..."
"... Obama came in with Democratic majorities in both houses. Why does he always get a free pass to blame obstructionist Republicans? People were begging for a change in direction. Truly mediocre status quo writ large. ..."
"... Obama has a lot of enablers. I think the little good things he does (Iran negotiations, baby steps to curb climate change, nods to growing prison population, etc) are just palliatives to shut up the progressive opposition, to the extent that even exists. ..."
"... Obama blew that majority as quickly as he could. Democrats were happy to lose majorities because they no longer had to produce results and could say the Republicans made me do it. ..."
"... Democrats would have passed an omnibus budget reconciliation with a big jobs program. They could have done this with simple majorities in both houses ..."
"... TPP is the big tell for Obama. Hes fighting for that like nothing else. ..."
"... ACA belongs in the Failures column, at least for anyone who cares about the cost of healthcare and understands single payer. Stopping the Great Recession belongs in the Central Banks column, they put $13T on their balance sheets and the bill just has not come due yet. ..."
"... Diplomacy? Bombing 7 nations with no declaration of war does not count as diplomacy ..."
"... Obama wins my coveted Worst_President_Ever award ..."
"... Can we also mention the $100M he spent on personal Versailles-style vacations? Cmon people…we know a good president when we see one, or even a marginal one…and O is at the other end of the spectrum. ..."
"... I live in Australia and people often ask me what I think of Obama. My reply: I think hes a war criminal, a corporo-fascist, a hypocrite, a liar, and a fraud. But hes got a passable jump shot, so theres that . ..."
"... Its hard to imagine anyone whos a liberal or a progressive looking at the Obama years as anything other than a huge bust. ..."
"... Obama has said he aspires to follow in Lincolns footsteps. However, the closest analogy is Buchanan, who thought the way to handle the slavers power was to appease it, just like Obama appeared to think the way to handle corporate power was to appease it. And like Buchanan turned out to be the agent of the slavers power, Obama is the agent of corporate power. ..."
"... The same exact script that we had under Bill Clinton. It turns out when you give people hope, they come out to vote for you. ..."
"... Obama doesnt care about building a majority any more than the Clintons did. He cares about his personal power, perception, and ultimately his own wealth. ..."
"... Sure looks like an Obot, tuned down to soft sell mode. ..."
"... I dont believe that he is the sociopath that some on the left think he is ..."
"... I think Obama is, quite simply, not as bright as everyone assumes. ..."
"... Quite simply, I think Obama isnt bright enough to realise that a clever political compromise is not the same thing as a good policy. He is surrounded by too many privileged people to realise that the consensus among privileged smart people is one distorted by deeply conservative and regressive assumptions. ..."
"... he genuinely believes deep in his guts that if the self-identified smart people have a consensus, then its the right thing to do. ..."
"... I find it shocking and dismaying at just how regressive and damaging Obama has been. If you compare him to another very conservative Dem – LBJ – the comparison is particularly stark. LBJ, in the face of huge odds and his own natural political proclivities, did quite amazing things in terms of Civil Rights and protecting the poor. Obama has, in my view, made things even worse, in a much more favourable political environment. ..."
"... I think hes ultimately just plain cynical. ..."
"... I recall seeing the German film Mephisto, with Klaus Maria Brandauer. Brandauers artist was a well-meaning, left-leaning guy who slowly went along with the Nazis, since it was beneficial to his career. ..."
"... Truth be told, Obama has grown very creepy to me. More than a few of us have vivid images of him with that deck of playing cards of those on the kill list. I am not charmed by his appearances with media darlings like Jerry Seinfeld and Marc Maron, who, perhaps unwittingly, legitimize the great droner. ..."
"... I found part of his writing quite moving, but I always felt there was something calculated about it, something that didnt feel quite right. Even reading about his academic career, he always struck me as someone always so careful to quote and study the right philosophers and writers and past politicians, reminiscent of those post grad students I know always careful to modulate their writings to their Professors prejudices. ..."
"... in his foreign affairs his understanding has always seemed to me to be shockingly shallow ..."
"... he let the same old neo-imperialist playbook work itself out there, with a constant undermining of democratic centre left governments in the region. ..."
"... He could, for example, have simply refused to give in to Hilarys idiotic tilt to the Pacific policy which is stupidly tin eared about Chinas genuine geopolitical concerns. ..."
"... He could have said no to the Saudis idiotic attack on Yemen. ..."
"... He could have stopped the meddling in the Ukraine and tried to understand Russias genuine local concerns better without necessarily sucking up to Putin. ..."
"... He could have stood up to Turkeys meddling in Syria and Iraq (not to mention the Gulf States support for Islamacists). ..."
"... These are all things he could have done within his powers and with little real political cost, but he didnt do them. These, to me, are all evidence of someone out of his depth rather than someone who is a complete cynic. ..."
"... PK, your analysis is certainly fascinating, in particular the portrait of Obama as the teachers pet. My brother-in-law completed both a PhD in philosophy and a law degree. He equates his academic career to glorified clerking, more than an investment in the life of the mind. ..."
"... Obama seems to have just the right combination of intelligence, political correctness, breeding, and a conformist streak to thrive as a full-fledged member of the elite, whether in academia or in Washington. ..."
"... Neoliberalism generally also includes the belief that freely adopted market mechanisms is the optimal way of organising all exchanges of goods and services (Friedman 1962; 1980; Norberg 2001). Free markets and free trade will, it is believed, set free the creative potential and the entrepreneurial spirit which is built into the spontaneous order of any human society, and thereby lead to more individual liberty and well-being, and a more efficient allocation of resources (Hayek 1973; Rothbard [1962/1970] 2004). Neoliberalism could also include a perspective on moral virtue: the good and virtuous person is one who is able to access the relevant markets and function as a competent actor in these markets. He or she is willing to accept the risks associated with participating in free markets, and to adapt to rapid changes arising from such participation (Friedman 1980). Individuals are also seen as being solely responsible for the consequences of the choices and decisions they freely make: instances of inequality and glaring social injustice are morally acceptable, at least to the degree in which they could be seen as the result of freely made decisions (Nozick 1974; Hayek 1976). If a person demands that the state should regulate the market or make reparations to the unfortunate who has been caught at the losing end of a freely initiated market transaction, this is viewed as an indication that the person in question is morally depraved and underdeveloped, and scarcely different from a proponent of a totalitarian state (Mises 1962). – Joe Firestone ..."
"... incompletes ..."
"... I recall a profile of Obama in the New Yorker that referred to him as a Javanese prince, a pregnant metaphor, given his background. ..."
"... I think that Obama is detached, which has meant that he is inured to the suffering of others. ..."
"... There have been repeated complaints from congressional reps that he doesnt call. Not even colleagues in his own party. ..."
"... He may be competitive, like many business people, but he lacks the ability to get things done. ..."
"... He went to an elite high school, an elite college, and an elite law school (where he has the distinction of being an editor of a law review yet, again, never publishing). The detachment is internal and external–an empty suit, a child of privilege, no understanding of the consequences of wielding power. ..."
"... I recall Angela Merkel complaining about how cold Obama is. She argued that at least Bush seems to connect on a personal level. Merkel and other world leaders were surprised at his unwillingness to socialize. ..."
"... He may be competitive, like many business people, but he lacks the ability to get things done. ..."
"... failing upwards has been part of Barrys compensation package. ..."
"... Its part and parcel of the US clepto-chrony-capitalist system. And the best is yet to come, just you wait until he vies with Bubba for being the richest ex-president… ..."
"... all of Bubbas charisma couldnt overcome Barrys shtick in 2008. Barry left them all in the dust in fundraising, and a large chunk of that came from Wall Street. So unless there is no honor amongst thieves, Barry will get his payday. ..."
"... some of us who have always seen Obama as a total narcissist ..."
"... A true narcissist wouldnt be as obviously thin-skinned as Obama is. If he was narcissistic he might actually have been a better president, narcissists dont back down at the first obstacle the way he constantly seems to do. ..."
"... Narcissists are thin-skinned. Unflattering feedback is met with narcissistic rage. ..."
"... Narcissistic rage is a reaction to narcissistic injury, which is a perceived threat to a narcissists self-esteem or self-worth. Narcissistic injury (or narcissistic scar) is a phrase used by Sigmund Freud in the 1920s; narcissistic wound and narcissistic blow are further, almost interchangeable terms.[1] The term narcissistic rage was coined by Heinz Kohut in 1972. ..."
"... Obama like Clinton before him has no sense of the large picture, his own power, and any particular plans beyond Presidentin. ..."
"... I voted for Obama over Hillary in the 2008 primary because I did not want another Bill Clinton administration. What I got was another Bill Clinton administration–the same advisors and staff, whose advice Obama followed, especially economic advice. Obama is a lawyer by training, no numbers required. ..."
"... Two bumper stickers I wrote for my car– Drone bomb Obamas kids, as he drone bombs the kids of others and Hillary and Barack are war criminals . ..."
"... America! Locked in Lovers of making decisions based on two and only two choices by the time tested means of blind rage and blind team loyalty to raw ignorance. ..."
"... Concussions – USA ..."
"... Concussions – USA ..."
"... He is the designated spokesmodel for the love me Im a liberal wing of the power duopoly (as opposed to the proud to be an asshole wing) ..."
"... Obamas disastrous, failed presidency should have been a wake up call for Democrats and liberals. Instead theyre doubling down on neoliberalism, militarism and Wall St toadyism in the form of Hillary Clinton. Their delusion that demographics and progress on social wedge issues will rescue them from the Republican dominance at the state and local level resulting from the disenchantment of voters with their party and candidates (case in point – losing the Maryland governorship to a Republican real-estate hack mostly because of low turnout in Dem strongholds) seems to be unshakeable. They dont seem to get that its not enough to not be the Republicans or to be only slightly less worse than them. ..."
"... Oh, and another tell that this is conventional writing from conventional propaganda is the phrase Russias land grab in Ukraine. No, there was a coup in Kiev helped by 5 Billion US dollars. Right wing thugs forced the elected President to flee. Then all kinds of crazy statements about banning the Russian language in Ukraine and Russian speakers being sub human made it pretty easy for Crimea which Krushchev had ceded to Ukraine in 1954 to vote to go back to Mother Russia in an election. It was a defensive move not a grab . ..."
"... Her husband is Robert Kagan, co-founder of PNAC (Project for a New American Century). Incredible damage Kagan engineered. Hard to fathom how Nuland made it into a BO admin., much less in position to craft US Ukraine (the coup) policy. ..."
"... In truth, Obama and Eric Holders inaction on the prosecution of white collar criminals has highlighted the undeniable two-tiered justice system ..."
"... I often wondered as he was led to the stage for his inauguration if someone didnt point out the snipers and hand him a script. ..."
"... Despite his rhetoric to the contrary, listened too much to the neocon advisors ( including HRC) on foreign policy and Holder and Rahm on domestic issues. At that point, hope and change went out the window. What happened: prosecution of whistleblowers, more black inmates, affordable housing programs cut, Guantanamo stays open, schools turn private, environmental regs are not enforced, progressive voices are ignored. Not what most of us voted for. ..."
"... Obama is best understood as a CIA project since his early teens. hes been groomed ..."
"... I said early on in other blogs years ago that Obama is easily the most right wing President in history, and soon after said he was the worst President in history. ..."
"... TPP alone (Modified Feudalism. Thats more right wing than even the Tea Party – am I right?) makes Obama the most right wing President in history and its not even close. And the reason I called him the worst, is because of the Trojan Horse Affect he has being an enemy behind the oppositions lines or what Glenn Greenwald expressed by saying Obama may not be more evil than Bush, but he is the more effective evil. By occupying the party that is supposed to be liberal when he is not, he can more effectively and quickly pass right wing change from within than could the most right wing of all right-wingers in the other party. ..."
If I was passing out grades, with the TPP project, Obama gets a big fat F-
Never liked the guy, knew the hopium and changium memes and slogans were a big scam! Worse
than Bush, because you at least knew where Bush stood. Obama is a fraudster of the worse kind!
Jill Stein's got my vote if Uncle Bernie isn't on the ticket! In my humbe opinion of course!
Almost all commentary in the US mass media (which Alternet is on the fringes of) has as basic
assumptions two memes: "compared to the Republicans" and "in the real world." I think if we want
to be honest that we must say compared to a President Cruz or President Santorum, Obama looks
fairly good. And as the commenter notes about Paris, in "the real world" tens of millions of Americans
take it for granted that the job of the President is to "keep us safe" by slaughtering foreigners
in sufficient numbers so that they fear us.
Obama has done a lot of his slaughtering under
the radar with drones and assassination teams and, being a black guy with a funny name, this is
not sufficient to make many feel "safe".
Here, our criteria are different. We have both a broader picture of what is happening, what
was and is possible (we could be wrong about the extent of what's possible, but that's another
argument), and what the potential options are.
All these factors lead us to see Obama as a
dubious or awful president
(opinions differ, even around here). Objectively,
I think most
of us who find Obama seriously wanting are more objectively correct than those who excuse what
we see as his deliberate malfeasance.
On a personal note, all this horror is affecting me personally and sending me into flights
of rage. This also hurts
the critique of Obama because sometimes it gives off the "angry white
guy" vibe that can be ugly and render your criticisms suspect.
I know that global warming and
gun violence have me so upset that my own judgment is at times distorted, although I can't have
much truck with anyone who isn't deeply upset by these phenomena. And the old academic stance
of radical objectivity and dispassion really can be a pose and socially sterile–leadership and
mobilizing people is rarely all about dispassionate objectivity and pulling one's punches with
neutral language. It all leaves me baffled as to the way ahead.
Jim Levy: An excellent comment. As always, you argue carefully and even use unfashionable words
like "dispassionate." (And how many blogs these days have commenters who might use the word "probity?")
On a personal note: I don't believe in hope, which is a theological virtue. By and large, it
serves Christian eschatology, which is why I became suspicious of the decidedly un-religious Obama
and his use of it. (Not right away. It took me till after the first inauguration and the Cabinet
of re-treads.) And I am not persuaded the arc of history bends toward justice in the United States
of America, which may be what makes the country exceptional. American crassness has defeated even
its greatest prophets, not just Martin Luther King but Walt Whitman, Abraham Lincoln, Jane Addams,
and Sinclair Lewis.
Yesterday, I had an open house to begin the year, and we touched on insurance. Many of my friends
are free lances or self-employed owners of small businesses. We touched on what has happened here
in Illinois, collectively blanched, and then discussed the fact that after 19 years of free lance
I took a job. It is a plum job, and it has health benefits. ACA is going to grind down the middle
class, and the happy talk of extended coverage doesn't talk about the crappiness, the insulting
crappiness, of the policies.
I suspect that major change with regard to global warming, peace, and conversion to a new economy
will not come from the United States
. You'd think that a nation that adores England would note
how the British Empire decayed and how the north of England was a swath of poverty and degradation
well into the 1960s.
So the solutions are going to come from smaller, odder places, just as mammals
were a small and odd group when they arose, years ago. Portugal is intriguing, as is Norway. Sweden
is trying in ways that the U.S. just won't do. And even Japan changes in remarkable ways. And
I would never rule out Brazil.
Recommended reading: It may be the moment for Cavafy, who knew about decadent societies and
the feeling of loss. See "Waiting for the Barbarians" and "Ithaca."
You may know that some interpretations of the Pandora's Box myth have the release of "Hope"
at the very end not as a type of relief, but as a final scourge.
Obama came in with Democratic majorities in both houses. Why does he always get a free
pass to blame "obstructionist" Republicans? People were begging for a change in direction. Truly
mediocre status quo writ large.
You got it.
Obama has a lot of enablers. I think the little "good things" he does (Iran
negotiations, baby steps to curb climate change, nods to growing prison population, etc) are just
palliatives to shut up the progressive opposition, to the extent that even exists.
Obama blew that majority as quickly as he could. Democrats were happy to lose majorities
because they no longer had to produce results and could say the Republicans made me do it.
If they were serious, the
Democrats would have passed an omnibus budget reconciliation
with a big jobs program. They could have done this with simple majorities in both houses
.
It's the lack of good jobs that is causing the implosion of society. And that's on Obama and the
Democrats who didn't turn things around when they had the chance.
TPP is the big tell for Obama. He's fighting for that like nothing else.
All of the "Incompletes" belong in the "Failures" column. And the "Successes"?
ACA belongs
in the "Failures" column, at least for anyone who cares about the cost of healthcare and understands
single payer. Stopping the Great Recession belongs in the "Central Banks" column, they put $13T
on their balance sheets and the bill just has not come due yet.
Diplomacy? Bombing 7 nations with no declaration of war does not count as "diplomacy"
, recall
that Jimmy Carter went 4 whole years without a single shot fired in anger, now THAT's diplomacy.
And please point me to one single solitary foreign policy "success", I suppose you'd have to mention
Cuba and Iran, Cuba was a gimme and it's far from clear that the Iran rapprochement has succeeded
and is a net "win" for the US given the witches brew of the ME.
Obama wins my coveted "Worst_President_Ever" award
, and yes I'm counting Andrew Johnson and
Millard Fillmore. He simply normalized everything we hated about Bush, from Permanent War to unbridled corporo-fascism to a free pass for Wall St to unlimited spying that would make the Stasi drool.
And no mention of the War on Whistleblowers.
Can we also mention the $100M he spent on personal
Versailles-style vacations? C'mon people…we know a "good" president when we see one, or even a
marginal one…and O is at the other end of the spectrum.
I live in Australia and people often ask me what I think of Obama. My reply: "I think he's
a war criminal, a corporo-fascist, a hypocrite, a liar, and a fraud. But he's got a passable jump
shot, so there's that".
Obama has said he aspires to follow in Lincoln's footsteps. However, the closest analogy
is Buchanan, who thought the way to handle the slavers' power was to appease it, just like Obama
appeared to think the way to handle corporate power was to appease it. And like Buchanan turned
out to be the agent of the slavers' power, Obama is the agent of corporate power.
The same exact script that we had under Bill Clinton. It turns out when you give people
hope, they come out to vote for you.
Especially at a time of economic crisis. But then when you deliver nothing for the largest
block of voters, you quickly disenfranchise them and they either change their vote or don't bother
to vote at all. The Senatorial elections in Massachusetts were a good barometer for Obama's quick
loss of appeal. We had a tightly contested race between our former Attorney General, Martha Coakley,
and Scott Brown for senate. Coakley was an awful candidate who was a somewhat effective AG, but
had no personality or desire to run a strong campaign. Scott Brown was a fluff candidate who had
been a local state representative.
When the race was clearly close due to the democrats failed policy and the potential for Scott
Brown to be a deciding vote against Obamacare, Obama himself came and stumped for Coakley. A sitting
president who had won an overwhelming majority of the vote in Massachusetts could do little to
bring up Coakley's flagging campaign.
Scott Brown was elected and had a largely feckless few years in office. Now look who sits in
that Senate seat. Elizabeth Warren, who one could say has stood up to Obama's largest policies
and is by no means a democratic insider. So this is to say that most democrats or temporary Obama
supporters were quickly disillusioned when the president they got didn't match the marketing promises
they received on TV. But
Obama doesn't care about building a majority any more than the Clintons
did. He cares about his personal power, perception, and ultimately his own wealth.
Sure looks like an Obot, tuned down to soft sell mode.
The "failures and incompletes" remind
me of GWB's aweshucks moments. Iran needs to be moved from the Big Successes category to the aweshucks
column now. Because, aweshucks, furry faced crazy mullahs. If only they were more like bankers,
corporate America and the security state – where we could control them better?
A few months ago on a thread here I asked generally what people thought actually motivated
Obama – what makes him tick as a person – he clearly isn't a narcissist like Clinton, or a captive
of his upbringing like Bush. I got some really interesting answers, its a pity I can't find them
now.
I don't believe that he is the sociopath that some on the left think he is
– there
is enough evidence from the first 2 years or so of his presidency that he was genuinely trying
to do the right thing by the economy and in the Middle East, but the speed with which he retreated
into an establishment shell at the first sign of trouble was remarkable and disturbing. I suspect
that for someone thought of as a 'thinker', he seems to have a lack of real self awareness.
I'm less cynical than some about his motives with Obamacare, drones and TPP.
I think Obama
is, quite simply, not as bright as everyone assumes.
I've met very educated, progressive-minded
people, who will defend strongly some very regressive policies on the basis that 'yes, they are
not ideal, but they are a step in the right direction, anything else is not politically feasible'.
And yes, I used to think like that (NC being one of my big educators). It sounds pretentious to
say people like that are not 'enlightened' yet, but to an extent it is true. It took me many years
to shake off the assumptions of my own education (conservative) and upbringing (conservative).
Quite simply, I think Obama isn't bright enough to realise that a clever political compromise
is not the same thing as a good policy. He is surrounded by too many privileged people to realise
that the consensus among privileged smart people is one distorted by deeply conservative and regressive
assumptions.
You can see it in his pre-presidential writings –
he genuinely believes deep in his
guts that if the self-identified 'smart' people have a consensus, then its the right thing to
do.
But back to the point – I agree with Yves that this article is surprisingly generous to Obama,
and given that it comes from the left, it shows that his natural charm works even on people who
should know better.
I find it shocking and dismaying at just how regressive and damaging Obama
has been. If you compare him to another very conservative Dem – LBJ – the comparison is particularly
stark. LBJ, in the face of huge odds and his own natural political proclivities, did quite amazing
things in terms of Civil Rights and protecting the poor. Obama has, in my view, made things even
worse, in a much more favourable political environment.
I'm particularly horrified at his supposed
environmentalism – he has done absolutely nothing that he wasn't dragged kicking and screaming
into doing. I believe that deep down he has a natural distaste for 'regular folks'. In theory
he wants to help them, but he can't help wishing they didn't actually exist. I've met a lot of
people like him – many come from privilege, many do not – the fact that they think they bootstrapped
themselves up makes their contempt even stronger.
Yet, I do think Obama is quite bright, with a subtle wit and a profound understanding of oppression.
I read parts of one of his books, and his poetic way of exploring how the poor on Chicago's South
side live was truly moving. Which makes his transition to the dark side even more troubling.
That's why
I think he's ultimately just plain cynical.
What makes him tick? He's one of the
most powerful men in the world, and he has plenty of enablers in the "intelligentsia" and on media
outlets like NPR and the New York Times to convince him that he's some sort of great compromiser,
a martyr for the Middle Path. I really do think Obama thinks he's just so damn reasonable, if
only he didn't have to content with Congress and "bitter working class people." Ha. You're right,
when he had both houses, he didn't exactly push for Wall Street prosecutions and regulations,
did he? But why would he invest emotionally in that version of himself, which is the highly unflattering
portrait of somebody who sold his soul?
After awhile, you buy into the narrative which both enables, and is flattering, to you. And
I don't think brilliance makes you immune to that, not when you have access to all of that power.
The mind is a flexible thing, and even smart people can just create new stories which are validating.
I recall seeing the German film "Mephisto," with Klaus Maria Brandauer. Brandauer's artist
was a well-meaning, left-leaning guy who slowly went along with the Nazis, since it was beneficial
to his career.
I wouldn't underestimate what access to power and money can do. I suspect
that Alexis Tsipras wanted to sincerely help his fellow Greeks out of economic devastation. However,
the Troika has way more goodies to give him, than Greece ever could. So, why wouldn't he be seduced?
Truth be told, Obama has grown very creepy to me. More than a few of us have vivid images
of him with that deck of playing cards of those on the kill list. I am not charmed by his appearances
with media darlings like Jerry Seinfeld and Marc Maron, who, perhaps unwittingly, legitimize the
great droner.
To me, his chilling asides (like droning rivals to his daughter's favourite
pop group, sharing his contempt for the angry poors, or his story about decrepit world leaders
peeing themselves) reveal somebody who has lost touch with his humanity and has become dangerously
self-satisfied. Jerry Seinfeld shared that "power corrupts." Did Obama recognize himself in that
equation? Does he even care anymore? Either way, he has a very lucrative future career in speeches
and publishing, so I think he'll be just fine. Leave it to the plebes, those pesky consciences.
@inverness, I think you are generally right about that.
I found part of his writing quite moving,
but I always felt there was something calculated about it, something that didn't feel quite right.
Even reading about his academic career, he always struck me as someone always so careful to quote
and study the 'right' philosophers and writers and past politicians, reminiscent of those post
grad students I know always careful to modulate their writings to their Professors prejudices.
But I've always suspected this was instinctual rather than calculated with Obama, but its hard
to be sure. But one thing that immediately struck me when I was reading his books was his huge
lack of curiosity about economics and science – there was nothing, absolutely nothing to indicate
he gave any thought whatever to those subjects.
I do think that he (along with his close advisors) see themselves as 'the grown-ups in the
room' and bulwarks against 'the crazies'. Supporting drone strikes can be seen as 'grown up' policy
when you are constantly dealing with hawks. But
in his foreign affairs his understanding has
always seemed to me to be shockingly shallow
. As an obvious example where he could have made
a very real difference without too much political issues, he could have reached out more to progressive
governments in South and Central America, but
he let the same old neo-imperialist playbook
work itself out there, with a constant undermining of democratic centre left governments in the
region.
He could, for example, have simply refused to give in to Hilary's idiotic "tilt to the
Pacific' policy which is stupidly tin eared about China's genuine geopolitical concerns.
He could have said 'no' to the Saudi's idiotic attack on Yemen.
He could have stopped the meddling in the Ukraine and tried to understand Russia's genuine
local concerns better without necessarily sucking up to Putin.
He could have stood up to Turkeys meddling in Syria and Iraq (not to mention the Gulf States
support for Islamacists).
These are all things he could have done within his powers and with little real political cost,
but he didn't do them. These, to me, are all evidence of someone out of his depth rather than
someone who is a complete cynic.
PK, your analysis is certainly fascinating, in particular the portrait of Obama as the
teacher's pet. My brother-in-law completed both a PhD in philosophy and a law degree. He equates
his academic career to glorified clerking, more than an investment in the life of the mind.
Obama seems to have just the right combination of intelligence, political correctness, breeding,
and a conformist streak to thrive as a full-fledged member of the elite, whether in academia or
in Washington. He certainly lacks the iconoclastic/rebellious streak which you see in brilliant
minds like Noam Chomsky, unless he's disciplined enough to keep that under wraps for opportunistic
reasons.
Obama seems to have just the right combination of intelligence, political correctness,
breeding, and a conformist streak to thrive as a full-fledged member of the elite, whether
in academia or in Washington.
"Neoliberalism generally also includes the belief that freely adopted market mechanisms
is the optimal way of organising all exchanges of goods and services (Friedman 1962; 1980;
Norberg 2001). Free markets and free trade will, it is believed, set free the creative potential
and the entrepreneurial spirit which is built into the spontaneous order of any human society,
and thereby lead to more individual liberty and well-being, and a more efficient allocation
of resources (Hayek 1973; Rothbard [1962/1970] 2004). Neoliberalism could also include a perspective
on moral virtue: the good and virtuous person is one who is able to access the relevant markets
and function as a competent actor in these markets. He or she is willing to accept the risks
associated with participating in free markets, and to adapt to rapid changes arising from such
participation (Friedman 1980). Individuals are also seen as being solely responsible for the
consequences of the choices and decisions they freely make: instances of inequality and glaring
social injustice are morally acceptable, at least to the degree in which they could be seen
as the result of freely made decisions (Nozick 1974; Hayek 1976). If a person demands that
the state should regulate the market or make reparations to the unfortunate who has been caught
at the losing end of a freely initiated market transaction, this is viewed as an indication
that the person in question is morally depraved and underdeveloped, and scarcely different
from a proponent of a totalitarian state (Mises 1962)." – Joe Firestone
Skippy…. a product of environmental conditioning which was mentored in the early stages of
political – life – by where the currant paradigm could be extended and advanced.
Instead, one of his earliest initiatives – and remember, this marks the use of his earliest
political capital in May 2009 – indefinite detention. I was beyond horrified and have regretted
voting for him since that day.
Or siding with the telecoms sanctioning surveillance the first week he was official. Or Summers
and Geithner. Or the great O-Care insurance sell out. Or pretending he was going after the banksters.
Or Fracking. Or, Or, Or.
By the way, "The Great Droner' by one of the commenters above is genius. Certainly applies
in a multitude of ways.
Notice your litany of or, or, or-s exemplify how nearly all of the so-called
incompletes
are actually failures (although we can count Congress and Senate as whole
class
failures).
I couldn't even read about the so-called economic
recovery
and bank bailouts by holding
my nose. NC readers would need Dramamine (polite way if saying it).
Nevertheless, I have had a few dreams about informal meetings with Bho, and while i seem to
have tried to give him some guidance, he was always charming and amicable…maybe simple good manners
is enough to score with excellence.
PK and Inverness: Astute comments, very thought provoking.
I recall a profile of Obama in the
New Yorker that referred to him as a Javanese prince, a pregnant metaphor, given his background.
I believe, though, that the writer was referring to ceremonial kingship. Obama as embodying a
symbolic kind of power.
I think that Obama is detached, which has meant that he is inured to the suffering of others.
Surely, the video-kill of Osama bin Laden is detached (and immoral, but let's not go there yet)–especially
publishing photos of the control room. This detachment evidently continues into retail politics.
If he isn't giving a grand speech, he doesn't want to have to shake hands.
There have been repeated
complaints from congressional reps that he doesn't call. Not even colleagues in his own party.
The detachment devolves into a certain designed lack of excellence.
He may be competitive,
like many business people, but he lacks the ability to get things done.
The endless droning about
his background as a professor of constitutional law (it's an article of faith among his fan club)
is belied by his policies (Guantanamo, drone killings, the extrajudicial killing and disposal
of OBL).
Yet he was so detached as a con law prof that he neglected to publish articles or books
about the U.S. Constitution. Who did he influence? No one is ever quoted as saying that the class
was good or that Obama has any kind of constitutional theories. Again, he's the Javanese prince,
ceremonial, detached, waiting to rule. He's like an ever-shiny-and-new M.B.A.
He went to an elite high school, an elite college, and an elite law school (where he has
the distinction of being an editor of a law review yet, again, never publishing). The detachment
is internal and external–an empty suit, a child of privilege, no understanding of the consequences
of wielding power.
I owe Geraldine Ferraro an apology–isn't she the one who was hushed for saying something like,
So he gave one good speech? And the whole kerfuffle about the location of the Obama library, with
the many sites? Isn't the presidential library supposed to be at the person's "home," and does
Obama have a home?
I recall Angela Merkel complaining about how cold Obama is. She argued that at least Bush
seems to connect on a personal level. Merkel and other world leaders were surprised at his unwillingness
to socialize.
When Europeans, in particular Germans, find you too reserved…this also speaks
to your theory of detachment, albeit on a social level.
"He may be competitive, like many business people, but he lacks the ability to get things
done."
Yet, like many business people,
failing upwards has been part of Barry's compensation
package.
It's part and parcel of the US clepto-chrony-capitalist system. And the best is yet to
come, just you wait until he vies with Bubba for being the richest ex-president…
Clinton's natural skill has been his adept, and presumably disingenuous ability to insightfully
focus and project empathy toward people, make them think he has their interests. Combined with
an ability to triangulate opportunity, this is why he is such a excellent grifter BClinton's naturally
ability to interact and ingratiate seems to me to be exactly the skillset BHO is utterly void
of.
I think IN GENERAL, one on one most people have a hard time not liking BClinton. It is what
it is.
OTOH, other than BHO's true believers, most of whom probably are of relatively modest means
other than the Hollywood liberal dilettante sort that want the superficial interaction w/ the
first half black POTUS, I don't really see BHO pulling off a BClinton scale payday..do you?
His narcissistic nature will inhibit that. So ok some BOD opportunity, maybe some foundation
at UofC?, but who in the serious old money crowd will want to engage him as a peer and for what
reason?
He kinda has the charisma of a POTUS version of Alberto Gonzalez.
You may be right, but then again
all of Bubba's charisma couldn't overcome Barry's shtick
in 2008. Barry left them all in the dust in fundraising, and a large chunk of that came from Wall
Street. So unless there is no honor amongst thieves, Barry will get his payday.
And FWIW, 'serious old money' looks like a pittance compared to the serious new money whose
bacon Barry saved. Besides, I don't really see Bubba rolling with the old fogies club, I see him
hobnobbing with Bono. In any case, we shall find out soon enough just how much Barry's service
is worth.
Serious old money is a misnomer indeed, makes that serious money, that said i doubt Bono lets
a nickel go too easily. Wall st looks to future opportunity will be yesterdays fish wrapper in
a year. On 2098, that's a pretty good surrogate for HRC charm. I just dont see BHO being a wheeler
dealer which in the end is about all BClinton has to offer anyone,
Still such a shame Chicago is BHO last known address
"such a shame Chicago is BHO last known address" Dude, this fact harshest my mellow every time.
Throw in the inevitability of His lie-Barry coming to the neighborhood and I completely crumple
into a bottomless pit of self-pity. The thought of the hordes of 0bots making the pilgrimage to
Hyde Park in the coming years is simply unbearable.
What motivates Obama? I'd venture his upbringing as a half black outsider licking the Windows
who now sees himself at the main house dining room table.
You're kidding, right? Of course
some of us who have always seen Obama as a total narcissist
could be wrong, but "clearly isn't"–where does that come from? In fact I'll just quote you
later in your comment.
he can't help wishing they didn't actually exist. I've met a lot of people like him – many
come from privilege, many do not – the fact that they think they bootstrapped themselves up
makes their contempt even stronger.
A true narcissist wouldn't be as obviously thin-skinned as Obama is. If he was narcissistic
he might actually have been a better president, narcissists don't back down at the first obstacle
the way he constantly seems to do.
To punish Narcissus, the avenging goddess Nemesis made Narcissus fall hopelessly in love
with his own beautiful face as he saw it reflected in a pool. As he gazed in fascination, unable
to remove himself from his image, he gradually pined away. At the place where his body had
lain grew a beautiful flower, honoring the name and memory of Narcissus.
Narcissists are thin-skinned. Unflattering feedback is met with 'narcissistic rage'.
from wiki:
"Narcissistic rage is a reaction to narcissistic injury, which is a perceived threat to
a narcissist's self-esteem or self-worth. Narcissistic injury (or narcissistic scar) is a phrase
used by Sigmund Freud in the 1920s; narcissistic wound and narcissistic blow are further, almost
interchangeable terms.[1] The term narcissistic rage was coined by Heinz Kohut in 1972.
Narcissistic injury occurs when a narcissist feels that their hidden 'true self' has been revealed.
This may be the case when the narcissist has a fall from grace, such as when their hidden behaviors
or motivations are revealed or when their importance is brought into question. Narcissistic injury
is a cause of distress and can lead to dysregulation of behaviors as in narcissistic rage.
Narcissistic rage occurs on a continuum from instances of aloofness, and expression of mild
irritation or annoyance, to serious outbursts, including violent attacks and murder…
Obama isn't just the object if the Obot devotion, he is the biggest Obot of them all.
Obama like Clinton before him has no sense of the large picture, his own power, and any
particular plans beyond Presidentin'.
Universal health care was never an end goal for either President. Being put in the history
books as a bipartisan hero was their goal. Healthcare was a means to an end. They picked what
they perceived as the easiest path to what they could call change. Bill handed off responsibility
to his never elected wife with no relevant back ground in hopes no one would attack her. The difference
between Bill/Obama and other narcissists (even Bernie is full of himself. He thinks he can have
George Washington's old job) is they don't grasp the difference between quality and brand.
He has a place in the history books as "the first black president" nevermind that he was a
complete disaster. Next up we will have "the first woman president", same outcome (hopefully not
much worse, that would be difficult but given her politics and her backers she's already in the
runner-up spot for my "Worst_President_Ever" award..
I voted for Obama over Hillary in the 2008 primary because I did not want another Bill
Clinton administration. What I got was another Bill Clinton administration–the same advisors and
staff, whose advice Obama followed, especially economic advice. Obama is a lawyer by training,
no numbers required.
As a professor of constitutional law, I would have guessed Obama would have at least been strong
on civil liberties, but he was not.
Two bumper stickers I wrote for my car–"Drone bomb Obama's kids, as he drone bombs the
kids of others" and "Hillary and Barack are war criminals".
Sorry if these are "too weak".
They are magnetic, so I can take them off when others are in the car with me–I worry about
being attacked by an enraged Prius driver here in "progressive" Ann Arbor, Michigan.
A long post could be done on the subject of American sports, football in particular, as self
mandated training wheels to our corresponding political duopoly;
America! Locked in Lovers
of making decisions based on two and only two choices by the time tested means of blind rage and
blind team loyalty to raw ignorance.
For short, we could call it,
Concussions – USA
.
The pluses this author attributes to a morally and ethically bankrupt individual who with overwhelming
shock and awe provided by the system described above,
Concussions – USA
, conned Americans
into making him president of their sometime democracy would simply dissolve into public ridicule
and laughter under any other system (unless it had America's big gun pointed right at it's head).
Reaction there is largely similar to that here: Obama is a failure on nearly every count, is
actually a conservative, and this "report card" is giving him too much of a pass. Encouraging!
Here's a representative comment from dave3137:
Oh, yes, and let's not forget the guy who stood by his Wall Street pals (Geithner, et al.)
and told the banksters "help me to help you," while letting "Main Street" drown in the crisis
they did NOT create. And let's not forget how this administration let people go because Breitbart
and Fox threw up a smokescreen. And let's not forget that this administration is trying desperately
to shove a "trade deal" (or three) down our throats that have almost zero advantages for ordinary
Americans. And let's not forget how this Administration's justice department failed to prosecute
ANY banksters but managed to exact a few minutes' worth of profits as "fines" - while bragging
these were "record-breaking." Oh, and remember how Obama spoke out so forcefully against the
"death panel" crap? And remember how "single payer" disappeared after big pharma had a White
House meeting? And remember ending "endless war"? Closing Guantanamo? And oh yeah, let's not
forget to give "credit" for "the most transparent administration in US history."
I don't consider Obamacare or our "economic" recovery to be successes unless, 1) you're rich
enough not to need Obamacare and 2) you're rich enough to benefit from the "economic" recovery.
Nobody else benefited aside from those using the Medicare expansion, not the middle class, and
most definitely not the poor.
Anybody who still votes Democratic based on "this is the best we can get" is admitting that
our democracy is broke and they are getting screwed. One of the required actions to fix our democracy
is to quit voting for the Democratic party based on that self defeating rational. I will vote
for Bernie, I will not vote for Hillary.
And I'm meeting quite a few Republicans who don't care for Hillary or Trump. Tells me that
the Sanders campaign has a huge opportunity to pick up votes.
You won't find a better entertainer than B.O. I think in the last week I saw references to
him hiking on some travel channel and also doing a segment with Jerry Seinfeld. Come on folks
he's giving America what it wants in it's screen captured environment
I'll never forget the time my wife and I were sitting in a restaurant and across from me was
a family or I at least assume it was a family of father, son and daughter. Teenage Son was playing
some game on a hand held device. Early twenty something daughter was texting on a smart phone.
Old school pop had his head tilted up and watching some show on the tv. I did not hear one word
uttered that entire time by the Screen family.
Obama knows we are a nation of screen watchers and being the entertainer that he is covers
the part exceptionally well. Although I have lost interest in watching his shtick anymore.
He is the designated spokesmodel for the "love me I'm a liberal" wing of the power duopoly
(as opposed to the "proud to be an asshole" wing)
, and as reward for staying on script he
gets to enjoy the considerable privileges of office–privileges that, according to plugged in commentators
like Pat Lang, he enjoys greatly.
Obama's only noteworthy accomplishment is providing the country with it's first African American
President and for that he will always deserve some credit. He himself may be a big phony, but
the pride this accomplishment has given to many black people isn't. One can also say that in a
long line of Presidential mediocrities Obama is merely the latest. Clearly it's our American system
that is deeply flawed and unable to cope with ever more serious problems.
Obama loves the limelight, but he's going on shows, not drawing the crowds himself.
Jerry Seinfeld isn't edgy or provocative (not that there's anything wrong with that), and he can't
say no to the President, in a way a Carlin might, more mock the person to their face the way a
Colbert might if he were so motivated. I didn't watch the Seinfeld appearance, but I've heard
he is the nicest celebrity to meet.
Obama has recognized that the screens which once featured him are no longer tuned in and he's
searching for attention. Every Presidential candidate is inherently an anti-Obama candidate.
Yeah Yves I almost lost my lunch when I read this on Alternet yesterday. But I guess its par
for the course from the Dem/liberal establishment. For better or worse, Obama is their guy, just
like Hillary will be their girl and IOKIADDI (its OK if a Democrat does it). Neoliberal Heritage
Foundation/Romney health insurance "reform"? No problem! It's a "Big Success"! Turning a blind
eye to the largest, most destructive white-collar crime wave in our history? Well, he had "no
choice". "Foaming the runway" for the Wall St perps while screwing ordinary workers, distressed
homeowners and fraud victims? File it under 'saving the economy". Continuity (and worse) with
the Bush/Cheney foreign policy and "War on Terrah"? Well, that's just "keeping use safe from the
21st century boogey-men that fuel the MIC and the warfare consensus among the "serious people".
And I haven't even gotten to economic inequality remaining the same (or even worsening), the TPP,
persecution of whistle blowers, inaction of student loans, promotion of Arctic oil drilling while
pretending to be serious about climate change and on and on.
Obama's disastrous, failed presidency should have been a wake up call for Democrats and
liberals. Instead they're doubling down on neoliberalism, militarism and Wall St toadyism in the
form of Hillary Clinton. Their delusion that demographics and progress on social wedge issues
will rescue them from the Republican dominance at the state and local level resulting from the
disenchantment of voters with their party and candidates (case in point – losing the Maryland
governorship to a Republican real-estate hack mostly because of low turnout in Dem strongholds)
seems to be unshakeable. They don't seem to get that its not enough to not be the Republicans
or to be only slightly less worse than them.
Until the Dem/liberal establishment wakes up I'm afraid that not much will change. I think
its better to focus less on worrying about which establishment apparatchik will win the presidency
to changing the electoral process so that more voices are heard (opening up the debates) which
I hope will get more voters engaged in participating. That's the only way to take down the establishment
that produces empty suit infotainment candidates like Obama and Clinton (not to mention the GOP
troglodytes).
Seems we/U.S. has become content grading our leaders withing paradigms of mediocrity. Seems
like yesterday, the 2k election mess… recounts in Florida, Jeb's state troopers impeding black
voters getting to voting booths, the black box voting machines producing more votes in Repub precincts
then there were registered voters, Kathryn Harris (was Jeb "doing her"?) exerting "authority"
ignoring law….
Scotus' decision remanding consideration of Florida recounts back to Florida Supreme Court
was a calculated political decision to run out the legal clock, as several key SCOTUS members
have explicitly and implicitly acknowledged. And then Tom Delay's illegal thugs bused into Florida
on Tax Payer's dime, to thwart recounts.
BushCo and winger chest thumping but blind bravado intimidating their way to an election "victory"
demonstrated the same blindness they executed in their other disasters: ignoring Enron, the lies
behind Iraq, "Mushroom Clouds" and Israel's crimes levelling Lebanon, bailing out Banks while
U.S. economy crumbled….
This was biggest political wakeup call of my life, and now 15+ years in the rear view mirror.
AFAIC, the influences that allowed that to happen have gone unchanged. The U.S. tail still wags
the dog. The Bush years were an illusory horror, setting the U.S. and world back in almost unfathomable
ways.
Obama was elected with Bush approval ratings the lowest of ANY president in history. Many of
the hardest of hard right wingers I knew who treated their neighbors who criticized Bush as moral
enemies, had come around to grudingly acknowledge he was an…. asshole.
Obama had a mandate. He had an opportunity to change directions hugely had he the courage,
vision and grasp of reality many "hoped". Despite many capable economic advisers after he won
but before the inauguration, my heart sank when he announced nomination of Geithner: eg. someone
guaranteed to "fix" things by moving piles of money around, but not remove the people who stole
so much and deceived (literally) the world banking system. He instead gave them a get out of jail
card, and re-filled their bank accounts and "trusted" them to "fix" things.
This is my take on BO's "hope".
He has done little more then continue in Bush's worst foibles, and in many ways looks to me
like the world is worse off now then when he arrived. The ME mess has grown, and false premises
under lie our disastrous polices there. In both US media and current candidates, these delusions
seem to be accepted fact.
I take issue with author's (similarly assumed untruth) "Russia's land grab in Ukraine": that
utterly ignores all the other forces (US and Israel policy especially) at play there with no regard
for local interests: another example of "US Interests", no matter how selfish or destructive to
a given area… if expressed by the White House, it must be so.
WRT authors bullet points, I take issue with 2 items in particular:
– Energy: BO nominated the right guy (Dr. Chu): he knew the "territory" and was on the
cutting edge of the science… both from climate aspect and energy generation alternatives. Obama
ignored him, subjugated Chu's best advice to "more pressing" issues dominated by Geithner recommendation
("we can't afford energy until economy is fixed"). But there was no hope of "fix", and "kicking
the can" down the road on clean energy is the same as learning to "live with cancer". Chu left
quietly, no wonder.
– Embracing Diplomacy: I'm glad he did Cuba… didn't see that coming. Decades overdue. But…
despite our cascading disasters in ME, BO has learned little. Putin is the "threat", when evidence
is overwhelming Russia's efforts in Syria are turning the tide there. Biggest contributors
to Syria mess have been Turkey and Saudi Arabia (they've funded ISIS): US policy ignores this.
Putin has reached out… repeatedly. Love to see Putin and BO (or next president) together, in
public… for a week: open, frank discussions where the public can decide, not "policy makers"
and advisers looking for an advantage for their petroleum client. Seems backroom discussions
on Kerry's latest tour are moving towards some acknowledgment of this, but just as crooks on
wall street still run the show, we'll never root out biggest cause of foolish Sunni/Shia endless
conflicts without acknowledging those who fuel it. Again, worst players in this arena: Saudis
and Turkey (Ergodan).
I guess I'll just leave it there… could write a book on this, but so what? I think BO had one
of greatest opportunities to change course of America in huge ways, and in ways that were badly
needed for US' and world's future. He missed most of them.
And at the risk of sounding racist, I'm disappointed at so many of our High Profile African
Americans so many look up to (Oprah, Denzell…) who speak of BO with pride seemingly on advancement
socially we could elect a Black president, but have ignored these larger issues. I think they
could have done far better, to press him.
When it's all said and done, from where I site, we and the world are moving far too slowly
and blindly to do what's needed to ensure a bright future for a lot more people. Our most pressing
problems have been kicked down the road, and hardly acknowledged. I see not one current candidate
even close to addressing things the way that's needed.
Just not enough courage, clarity and truth… period.
At a moment of historical inflection, when the fate of the entire world was to be determined,
Barack Obama deceived the American people into believing he would usher in the systemic change
needed after the collapse of conservatism. Instead, Obama revealed himself as a neoliberal ideologue
who attempted to destroy progressivism and, in doing so, revived conservatism. Obama's deceit
squandered the last good chance for the nation and humanity to roll back global warming. For that
alone, history will condemn him.
As for his "substantive accomplishments," the only one even worth considering is his use of
diplomacy. But, as usual with Obama, there is sleight of hand. Yes, he has shown reluctance to
enter shooting wars. But at the same time, he doesn't hesitate to use drones and economic weapons
to inflict untold punishment and generate evermore strife and create new generations of people
who hate America. Which brings me to another point about Obama: apart from achieving his neoliberal
dystopia, Obama's primary goal appears to be that he look good and be respected. (That weakness
is why the Democrats and the Left might have inhibited Obama had they not defended and enabled
him.) From Obamacare to fracking to economic royalism to race relations, Obama wants credit now
and doesn't care that everything he has set in motion is a ticking time bomb.
All things considered, Obama is the worst president in American history. He was supposed to
be the corrective, like FDR, showing the genius once again of the American Experiment. Obama had
the mandate and he had the power but he was a liar and a fraud. Obama is an historical failure,
one from which I'm not sure we can recover.
At a moment of historical inflection, when the fate of the entire world was to be determined,
Barack Obama deceived the American people into believing he would usher in the systemic change
needed after the collapse of conservatism.
He never wanted to change the system – he merely wanted to be the guy who presided over it.
People who were paying attention, which I guess weren't a whole lot, saw pretty early that
Obama was running to the right of Hillary. There was never much of a systemic "change" promise
in what he had to offer.
He offered a change from W's bloody bluster and hope of escape from Cheney's visceral contempt
for basic decency, and sure enough… that's about as far as the Hope and Change thing went.
Policy-wise, millions of Americans were forced into poverty from which most will never emerge.
That was true under W and that is true under Obama. Economic policies are approximately consistent,
favoring the financial sector at the expense of workers and social services. The Obamacare insurance
scam might well have been implemented by a Republican president with or without a Democratic congress.
Foreign policy is different, but mostly because the failures of the Bush/Cheney model were
monumental and unsustainable. Foreign policy is marginally less terrible, marginally less bloody,
but it's no less imperialist, no less absurd, no less foolhardy.
I disagree. Bush was an abject failure in large part because he was pursuing a doctrine that
was dead. Conservatism was spent yet Bush insisted upon it until it failed floridly. But we've
had other failed presidents in out history and we've recovered. In a democracy like ours, the
ballot is supposed to provide the corrective to such political failure. And that's exactly what
Obama promised. Hope and change, remember that? But Obama lied - utterly and fundamentally - and,
in doing so, Obama wrecked what remained of the Democratic Party, sent our polity into a tailspin
and - most ominously - set us on a likely irreversible course of calamitous global warming. All
things considered, that makes Obama the worst president in American history, IMNSHO.
Bush/Cheney were not conservatives by any stretch of the imagination. They were radicals, especially
Cheney, who saw that his mission in life was to redeem the legacy of the Nixon-Ford debacle -
by killing and displacing millions in Mesopotamia and Afghanistan, creating as much chaos overseas
as he could, and destroying what was left of a semi-egalitarian economy.
Pleased and proud of his accomplishments he is to this day. At least for his part W knows better
than to crow.
By increasing the population covered by health insurance, Obamacare also increases demand for
physicians to treat the additionally covered. Where are all those physicians going to come from?
Last year, the primary care physician who had been treating me for ten years resigned from
the practice group, and I received a letter asking me to select a physician from new members of
the practice group, who were now accepting patients. When I called, I was given a list of six
young physicians to choose from: three graduated fromf medical schools in India, one from Pakistan,
one from Colombia, and one from a local osteopathic medical school here in the United States.
Apparently, once consequence of Obamacare is a brain drain of medical practitioners from the
rest of the world, mostly trained at the rest of the world's expense.
Emotional attachment, and breaking away from the pack is hard. I never liked the President.
I thought his speeches were word salad and his books were boring and full of conventional wisdom.
I have no problem pointing out his mistakes. If you thought the Preside the was a once in a lifetime
figure in 2004, how would you feel if you decided to read his 2004 DNC speech?
-Plenty of Democrats don't want to become "racist unicorn chasers who want equality today"
or acknowledge that the people they said were loons in 2009 for suggesting Obama didn't pass rainbows
after eating were right and received undue criticism. There was a considerable amount of nastiness
directed towards Obama critics who dared point out that guys like Rahm Emmanuel were disasters
waiting to happen.
There is a good element of the population who has internalized an acceptable left-center-right
view of politics. For them judging Obama as a failure would mean judging the left and center as
failures. They have lives where they might not know the name and general background of every Senator
and just hear a simple Republican/Democrat pie fight. They then assume he GOP is dastardly clever
to have foiled Obama and his wonderful plans. Obama critics and even potential critics were drowned
out for so long the echo chamber doesn't repeat a narrative of the Team Blue Reagan admirer desperately
wants to be a Republican.
Oh, and another "tell" that this is conventional writing from conventional propaganda is
the phrase "Russia's land grab in Ukraine." No, there was a coup in Kiev helped by 5 Billion US
dollars. Right wing thugs forced the elected President to flee. Then all kinds of crazy statements
about banning the Russian language in Ukraine and Russian speakers being sub human made it pretty
easy for Crimea which Krushchev had ceded to Ukraine in 1954 to vote to go back to Mother Russia
in an election. It was a defensive move not a "grab".
Her husband is Robert Kagan, co-founder of PNAC (Project for a New American Century). Incredible
damage Kagan engineered. Hard to fathom how Nuland made it into a BO admin., much less in position
to craft US Ukraine (the coup) policy.
Successes? 1.) medicaid clawbacks 2.)trillions instead of billions for wall st. 3.)reproductive
rights for same sex couples 4.)drone diplomacy 5.)ice free passage through the arctic
Looks an awful lot like the "failures" list are the successes, no need to comment further
Incomplete 11.) more people living in tents, true, but not everyone yet 12.) H1b, H2b 13.) less
gun violence, yep mm hmmm 14.) shoot the potentially violent 15.) go on a congressional junket
to israel, but then come back to the house of reps, don't like, stay there forever, what would
that accomplish?
tegnost reporting from LJ, the land of no (well, extremely lame) public transportation and unabashed
HRC supporters. Think I'll sit outside the breakers and watch the world go by…
The president repeatedly lied to Americans early on in his first term when he said that the
banks had committed no crimes. The president's failure was not merely a failure in prosecuting
and jailing bankers, it was much more:
1.) illustrating to all the undeniable existence of a two-tiered justice system. There are
folks doing time for money laundering, you know.
2.) not re-establishing faith in the US financial system.
Perhaps it was a designed plan to shine a light on the corruption and hypocrisy that is Amerika,
but I kind of doubt it.
In truth, Obama and Eric Holders inaction on the prosecution of white collar criminals
has highlighted the undeniable two-tiered justice system
……….too bad nobody is paying attention.
One could say that all the failures of Obama's presidency have done a good job shinning a light
on all that is wrong with our country.
The terminology "Coddling corporate America" under the "Big Failures" list is much too charitable
to this administration. This hasn't been about inviting a big campaign contributor to a sleepover
at the White House, and the issues are ongoing.
More succinctly, he's the Wall St Manchurian candidate and
any benefits we the people
have derived from his Presidency have only been "trickle down" at best.
He lied at every
turn to the American people to become President in 2008 all the while knowing that once in office
his masters on Wall St would be well served. He's smart enough to fool everyone that voted for
him – is that ever worthy of praise by Democrats? No – only by the Republicans that he had emboldened.
They must have been laughing their arses off when they saw how this hope and change Presidency
was unfolding in the 1st week and every week since. He had exposed his Achilles heel the 1st week
in office, appointing one Wall St veteran after the other and the REpugs saw this and attacked.
The Republican party was on it's way out, their President had lied us into wars and into invading
other countries, torture and war crimes. But Barack alone saved them from their fates, snatching
defeat from the jaws of victory. No, nothing about BO should get a passing grade. As he said to
Hillary in 2008, the Presidency is just a figure head office (not an office for a leader). Figure
head and trickle down voodoo economics, that's about all we the people got. Oh yeah, and don't
forget all the Republican victories over the last 8 years that never should have happened.
After major pressure and defeats in court. DADT was struck down before it was repealed, and
Obama came out for gas marriage after fighting efforts against an anti-gay referendum in North
Carolina.
I often wondered as he was led to the stage for his inauguration if someone didn't point out
the snipers and hand him a script. After all, Kennedy was killed for not following his…We have
been captive of the "deep state" for a long time. The business of America is the enabling of a
global looting. Always has been, always will be.
It was obvious from the appointment of Eric(Pardon Me)Holder, Timmy (what tax?)Geithner and
Robert Gates that nothing was going to change and that hope had left the building. Maybe that
was the point, that it was pointless to hope.
I confess I voted for him in 2008 (with reservations). The "lesser of two weevils". And perhaps
seduced by "Dreams from my Father". I didn't expect revolution, but I also allowed "hope" for
a moment. I voted for Jill Stein in 2012. And I vote in EVERY election. But I can't forget Emma
Goldman's wisdom, "If elections changed anything, they would make it illegal".
Don't forget all the Republican victories over the last 8 years that never would have happened
if he had been a man of his word. He owns those too. If the scale is A to F, I'd give him a G.
I often wondered as he was led to the stage for his inauguration if someone didn't point
out the snipers and hand him a script.
I was and I remain astonished at how Obama metamorphasized immediately after he won in 2007.
I listened to a lot of Obama speeches in 2007 and I read his books and that Obama never stepped
inside the White House. This transformation being so exquisitely executed, a suspicious mind might
consider an orchestrated conspiracy. Maybe a rational mind, too, because the alternative explanation
proves elusive.
Long before his inauguration, he was a made man. Ken Silverstein in Harper's wrote "Barack
Obama Inc" back in 2006. Black Agenda Report and Paul Street knew him from Chicago. Adolph Reed
Jr wrote earlier than that and then repeated it in 2008 in The Progressive.
He's a vacuous opportunist.I've never been an Obama supporter. I've known him since the very
beginning of his political career, which was his campaign for the seat in my state senate district
in Chicago. He struck me then as a vacuous opportunist, a good performer with an ear for how
to make white liberals like him. I argued at the time that his fundamental political center
of gravity, beneath an empty rhetoric of hope and change and new directions, is neoliberal.
– See more at:
http://progressive.org/mag_reed0508#sthash.hEiRFBaY.dpuf
There was information early that he was the corporate pick, but people chose to put their fingers
in their ears. It was the most frustrating time for me in my sojourn into politics. And it continues.
I just had a new acquaintance tell me that Obama will go down as one of the great presidents.
Sad.
Three things stand out for me from Obama's first couple of months in office that indicated
what kind of President he would be.
Appointments. Rahm Emanuel, Timothy Geithner, Larry Summers, Eric Holder and Arne Duncan.
I would also throw in Sebelius as well. What did we expect from this crew of neoliberal thinkers.
We got no prosecutions of Bush war criminals or Wall St criminals, bailout of banks but not
Main St, "never let a crisis go to waste," privatization of schools, a health reform that will
ultimately self destruct and many others mentioned here.
Disappearance of the famed Obama multi million person mailing list which could have maybe
made a huge impact on the next few Congressional and Senate elections. Why did this list go
into hiding for way too many years.
Despite his rhetoric to the contrary, listened too much to the neocon advisors ( including
HRC) on foreign policy and Holder and Rahm on domestic issues. At that point, hope and change
went out the window. What happened: prosecution of whistleblowers, more black inmates, affordable
housing programs cut, Guantanamo stays open, schools turn private, environmental regs are not
enforced, progressive voices are ignored. Not what most of us voted for.
Well I unsubscribed from that Obama list about 3 months into his first term, already pissed
off and disillusioned - Rahm's appointment and some other decision at the time was the prompt.
However somehow Hillary's PAC got my name off it, and I got repeated donation requests from
the Ready For Hillary people, without an "unsubscribe" option, which to me makes it borderline
illegal spam.
And recently I got an email from Harry Reid's group, on the same address. All very fishy, and
extremely annoying.
I said early on in other blogs years ago that Obama is easily the most right wing President
in history, and soon after said he was the worst President in history.
Some posting here ridiculed me at the time on those other blogs for those statements. Now many
comments sometimes paraphrase the same thought.
TPP alone (Modified Feudalism. That's more right wing than even the Tea Party – am I right?)
makes Obama the most right wing President in history and it's not even close. And the reason I
called him the worst, is because of the Trojan Horse Affect he has being an enemy behind the oppositions
lines or what Glenn Greenwald expressed by saying "Obama may not be more evil than Bush, but he
is the more effective evil." By occupying the party that is supposed to be liberal when he is
not, he can more effectively and quickly pass right wing change from within than could the most
right wing of all right-wingers in the other party.
That article reminds me of the reason I left Alternet. FWIW, I used to be a dedicated commenter
there. But during the campaign in 2012, they systematically rigged their coverage (coverage is
far more important than endorsements), suppressing anything that made Obama look bad – more than
any other liberal site I followed. The final straw was when a good article by one of their own
writers was unceremoniously removed from the front page and relegated to a cubbyhole where you
wouldn't find it unless you were looking for it. That made it clear there was an editorial judgement
(probably by the publisher) to censor their reporting.
I thought that was unforgivable, so when the election was past I made a fuss in as many comments
as I could and then abandoned the site. They sell ads, so clicks are worth money to them, and
I was providing a lot of clicks. At this point, I visit it only when NC provides a link I want
to read. I doubt the publisher has changed.
This article goes beyond "cautious" to the sort of coverup they committed in 2012 (personally,
I don't think much of Rosenfeld). I'm not criticizing Yves for posting it – it's a good example
of something or other, and generated a lot of discussion. But mainly, it's an example of the difference
between NC and in-the-bag sites like Alternet or Salon, where I sometimes post links to NC articles
just to be difficult. Did it today, on the article on Obamacare by Paul Rosenberg. Remarkably,
that elicited a plug for NC from the author (Rosenberg – boy are those names easy to confuse)!
Ah yes. I remember Open Left from 2009 – 2010 very well… Just another career "progressive"
site suppressing single payer advocacy because Obama. Of course, if they'd gone full on for single
payer then, the ground would be prepared now for the real solution. So their tactics did real
damage.
Oil output in Russia, one of the world's largest producers, hit a post-Soviet high last month
and in 2015 as small- and medium-sized energy companies cranked up the pumps despite falling crude
prices, Energy Ministry data showed on Saturday.
The rise shows producers are taking advantage of lower costs due to rouble devaluation and
signals Moscow's resolve not to give in to producer group OPEC's request to curb oil output to
support prices.
But the rise will contribute to a global oil supply glut and exert continued downward pressure
on oil prices which hit an 11-year low near $36 per barrel last month, having fallen almost 70
percent in the past 18 months.
For the whole of 2015, Russian oil and gas condensate output rose to more than 534 million
tonnes, or 10.73 million barrels per day (bpd) from 10.58 million bpd in 2014.
In December, Russian oil output rose to 10.83 million bpd from 10.78 million bpd in November.
In tonnes, oil output was 45.782 million last month versus 44.115 million in November.
The increase in production defied many expectations of a fall in Russian oil output which has
been on a steady rise since 1998 apart from a small decline in 2008.
The Energy Ministry had expected output to fall to 525 million tonnes in 2015 due to the exhaustion
of mature oilfields in Western Siberia, which account for over a half of the country's total oil
production.
But medium-sized producers, such as Bashneft, cranked up production. And Gazprom, the world's
top natural gas producer, increased production of oil, mainly gas condensate, by 5.3 percent for
the year.
However, oil output at Russia's leading producers declined. Production at Rosneft edged down
by 0.9 percent, while output at Lukoil's Russian assets fell by 1.1 percent last year.
According to a Reuters poll, Russian oil production in 2016 is expected to rise to a new post-Soviet
yearly average high of 10.78 million bpd despite price falls as new fields come online and producers
enjoy lower costs due to rouble devaluation.
-----------------
Note: using 7.3 (rather than 7.33) barrels/ton ratio, C+C output in December was 10.78 mb/d
AlexS. Interesting that Russian production was falling in the first half of 2014, when oil prices
were very high, and then began rising once the price began to fall.
The highest output yet came last month, with oil prices the lowest since early 2004.
Is all Russian oil profitable on an operating basis at current prices? I suspect many conventional
water floods and CO2 floods in the US are not. Doesnt Russia have quite a bit of similar mature
production? Is the ruble devaluation keeping this production above water? I suspect the cost of
labor in the US is much higher than in Russia, I do think we have discussed this aspect before.
As I have stated before, I believe that US conventional onshore oil production is falling fast,
the number of vertical production wells being drilled is likely the lowest in modern times (post
1970).
It is interesting to me that Russian conventional onshore oil production is so much more resilient
than US, given the similarities. Or maybe the production is not so similar?
I appreciate all of the oil information you provide. Any detail you are able to give on Russian
production is very much appreciated by me, and I suspect many other persons here.
"... According to the Westminster-controlled BBC, a Russian pilot "died when his SU-24 aircraft was shot down". If that is a time appreciation, it is a fairly accurate one, but he actually died after his aircraft hit the ground, and that fact was not the cause of his death. He died because he was shot full of holes from the ground while he was hanging helpless in his parachute straps and was not armed. As has been demonstrated to what should be the complete satisfaction of all, this is a war crime, illegal under international law regardless who does it. ..."
"... But the Washington-and-Westminster-controlled western media skates adroitly around that fact, and consistently normalizes his death as just one of those unfortunate things that happens in war. ..."
"... I can promise you that the murder of a western pilot under the same circumstances would not be soft-pedaled in the same manner, and the fact that criminal circumstances were attached to his dying would have been shouted to the skies. ..."
According to the Westminster-controlled BBC, a Russian pilot "died when his SU-24 aircraft was
shot down". If that is a time appreciation, it is a fairly accurate one, but he actually died
after his aircraft hit the ground, and that fact was not the cause of his death. He died because
he was shot full of holes from the ground while he was hanging helpless in his parachute straps
and was not armed. As has been demonstrated to what should be the complete satisfaction of all,
this is a war crime, illegal under international law regardless who does it.
But the Washington-and-Westminster-controlled
western media skates adroitly around that fact, and consistently normalizes his death as just
one of those unfortunate things that happens in war.
I can promise you that the murder of a western
pilot under the same circumstances would not be soft-pedaled in the same manner, and the fact
that criminal circumstances were attached to his dying would have been shouted to the skies.
"... According to the Westminster-controlled BBC, a Russian pilot "died when his SU-24 aircraft was shot down". If that is a time appreciation, it is a fairly accurate one, but he actually died after his aircraft hit the ground, and that fact was not the cause of his death. He died because he was shot full of holes from the ground while he was hanging helpless in his parachute straps and was not armed. As has been demonstrated to what should be the complete satisfaction of all, this is a war crime, illegal under international law regardless who does it. ..."
"... But the Washington-and-Westminster-controlled western media skates adroitly around that fact, and consistently normalizes his death as just one of those unfortunate things that happens in war. ..."
"... I can promise you that the murder of a western pilot under the same circumstances would not be soft-pedaled in the same manner, and the fact that criminal circumstances were attached to his dying would have been shouted to the skies. ..."
According to the Westminster-controlled BBC, a Russian pilot "died when his SU-24 aircraft was
shot down". If that is a time appreciation, it is a fairly accurate one, but he actually died
after his aircraft hit the ground, and that fact was not the cause of his death. He died because
he was shot full of holes from the ground while he was hanging helpless in his parachute straps
and was not armed. As has been demonstrated to what should be the complete satisfaction of all,
this is a war crime, illegal under international law regardless who does it.
But the Washington-and-Westminster-controlled
western media skates adroitly around that fact, and consistently normalizes his death as just
one of those unfortunate things that happens in war.
I can promise you that the murder of a western
pilot under the same circumstances would not be soft-pedaled in the same manner, and the fact
that criminal circumstances were attached to his dying would have been shouted to the skies.
The Last but not LeastTechnology is dominated by
two types of people: those who understand what they do not manage and those who manage what they do not understand ~Archibald Putt.
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