Sept. 7, 2019)
The early symptoms include fatigue, nausea, vomiting, coughing and fever, escalating to shortness of breath, which can become
so extreme it can prompt an emergency room visit or require hospitalization. Some patients have needed supplementary oxygen, including
ventilator in as
many as a third of cases analyzed in The New England Journal of Medicine. On lung scans, the illness looks like a bacterial
or viral pneumonia that has attacked the lungs, but no infection has been found in testing
May be smoking e-cigarette makes people especially vulnerable to some early COVID-19 strain (there are around seven strains of this
virus, some more lethal then others).
May be smoking makes people especially susceptible to COVID-19 pneumonia. That means that one of the first thing to do
is to stop smoking
NYT reported "The Centers for Disease
Control and Prevention and state agencies have reported 2,506 lung injury cases that required hospitalization and
54 deaths linked to vaping." but those infections were concentrated on young population, typically less then 35 years
Patients with vaping-related lung injuries typically show up in emergency rooms with shortness of breath after several days of
symptoms that resemble flu or pneumonia.
Like COVID-19 this also was global epidemic with cases in United States, Canada, Europe, Australia, India (
vaping lung illness outbreak - Wikipedia ):
Though this is the first time that vaping products have been linked to an outbreak of lung illness, at least 19 cases of vaping-associated
pulmonary injuries had been reported worldwide prior to 2019. The first case of
...News media featured hospitalized lung vaping illness patients in narratives including the following:
e-cigarettes inducing lipoid pneumonia
was documented in the medical literature in 2012, though the causative agent was identified as
glycerin, not vitamin E acetate.
Vomiting, coughing up blood, and
pneumonia Nausea, chest pains, and shortness of breath, and acute respiratory distress syndrome necessitating
membrane oxygenation (ECMO) Shoulder and back pain, double lung collapse
Vomiting, fever, sweating, painful coughing,
double pneumonia in a patient who had vaped
THC Vomiting up food, oil and water in the lungs, requiring supplemental oxygen for daily activities
Severe pain in the side, lung collapse, "black spots" on the lungs in a patient using about half a
Juul mint pod a day for about 18 months. Chest and back pain from recurrent
(air in the chest outside the lungs) Trouble breathing, necessitating a
ventilator and medically induced
coma. The 18-year-old patient says she bought vaping products from a
smoke shop that did not ask for her
ID card, enabling her to lie that she
was 22. Dizziness, vomiting, abdominal pain, difficulty breathing, necessitating supplemental oxygen.
Breathing problems mistaken for the flu or
stomach virus, eventually requiring
ECMO Difficulty breathing, requiring supplemental oxygen and steroids, diagnosed as
popcorn lung. Dizziness and vomiting, problems breathing diagnosed as
pneumonitis Patient discovered unresponsive in bedroom, mucus and blood coming from lungs,
Double lung transplant
for a 17-year-old from Michigan on October 15, 2019, believed to be the first such procedure due to vaping
Not all people are susceptible to this virus. In Diamond Princess cruise chip epidemics only 20% were infected. Among the initial
members of Wuhan medical personnel (really worst case scenario) only 60% were infected. Those are two worst case scenario where everybody
was exposed to the virus. Moreover,
in Diamond Princess AC might help to spread the virus to all cabins) and were served by the crew that included asymptomatic
carrier of the virus. In case of Wuhan medical personnel the concentration of virus was extremely high, while initially protective measures
were not taken at all. They were literally flooded with the virus.
We can expect lesser percentage for less tough situations. For example, within the extended family set of people only around 10%
develop any symptoms.
In other words 60% of population looks like the upper bound of the number infected (cases when one travels in infected person,
prolonged contact in family, etc) while 10% or less looks probable for the "community" type of infections (grocery shops,
churches, meetings, etc)
The number of people susceptible to the virus probably also decrease with the establishment of warm weather as immune system became
stronger and they are more exposed to direct sunlight.
Not all people are susceptible to the virus. In Diamond Princess cruise chip epidemics only 20% were infected. Among
Wuhan medical personnel only 60% were infected. Those are two worst case scenario were everybody was exposed to the
virus ( in
Diamond Princess AC might help to spread the virus to all cabin ) so we can expect lesser percentage for less tough situations.
The number of people susceptible to the virus probably decrease with the establishment of warm weather.
Looks like some politicians like Angela Merkel became too pessimistic:
"60-70% of the population will be infected" - Angela Merkel about the C<OVID-19. In other words she does not believe
in German people resilience and think that they will fare worse than Wuhan medics ;-)
“It's not a tickle in your throat. You're not just clearing your throat. It's not just irritated. You're not putting anything
out, you're not coughing anything up,” Schaffner explained. “The cough is bothersome, it's coming from your breastbone or sternum
and you can tell that your bronchial tubes are inflamed or irritated.”
Shortness of breath is another key sign of respiratory
infection related to the virus...
Beyond these key signs, Covid-19 can manifest through a number of flu-like symptoms, including aches, pains, a runny nose,
congestion, and a sore throat. Some cases may even involve bouts of diarrhea.
Symptoms What Signs Should You Be Most Concerned About
It looks like there are several mutations of this coronavirus: "L" and "S". The L is more common (especially in the USA) and
the S (Wuhan mutation) is more lethal. All-in-all there are around two dozens of mutation (Chinese figures)
Symptoms vary. Slightly elevated temperature and early development of dry cough are two more typical symptoms. If shortness of breath
is present this is a real warning sign. Those two presentation gives you general information about symptoms:
Lost Sense of Smell May Be Peculiar Clue to Coronavirus Infection
, Mar 24 2020 4:32 utc |
This may be an important new clue:
Lost Sense of Smell May Be Peculiar Clue to Coronavirus Infection
The New York Times -
March 22, 2020
A mother who was infected with the coronavirus couldn't smell her baby's full diaper. Cooks who can usually name every spice
in a restaurant dish can't smell curry or garlic, and food tastes bland. Others say they can't pick up the sweet scent of shampoo
or the foul odor of kitty litter.
Anosmia, the loss of sense of smell, and ageusia, an accompanying diminished sense of taste, have emerged as peculiar telltale
signs of Covid-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus, and possible markers of infection.
On Friday, British ear, nose and throat doctors, citing reports from colleagues around the world, called on adults who lose
their senses of smell to isolate themselves for seven days, even if they have no other symptoms, to slow the disease's spread.
The published data is limited, but doctors are concerned enough to raise warnings.
Here is one patient story
Coronavirus survivor reveals what it's like to have
Three typical symptoms include a slight fever (99-102F, around 98% of patients), dry cough (60% of patients), fatigue (90% of patients)
and shortness of breath. They may appear 2 to 14 days after you’re exposed to the virus (incubation period). Some of the less
common symptoms include muscle pain, difficulty or labored breathing (shortness of breath). Only a third of patients also experienced
muscle pain and difficulty breathing, though it took about five days (on average) for a patient to have difficulty breathing after first
showing symptoms. This probably suggest
least common symptoms were vomiting, abdominal pain, headache, dizziness and nausea.
There are several YouTube presentations of various quality that might help to understand this disease, for example:
Other symptoms associated with common colds – such as a headache or sore throat – were seen in only a small number of cases.
symptoms How the COVID-19 disease progresses day by day - Business Insider
Research from the Chinese Center for Disease Control suggests that
about 80% of coronavirus cases
are mild. About 15% of patients have gotten severe cases, and 5% have become critically ill.
Here's how symptoms progress among
Day 1: Patients run a fever. They may also experience fatigue, muscle pain, and a dry cough.
A small minority may have had diarrhea or nausea one to two days before.
Day 5: Patients may have difficulty breathing — especially if they are older or have a preexisting
Day 7: This is how long it takes, on average, before patients are admitted to a hospital, according to the
Wuhan University study.
Day 8: At this point, patients with severe cases (15%, according to the Chinese CDC)
develop acute respiratory
distress syndrome, an illness that occurs when fluid builds up the lungs.
ARDS is often fatal.
Day 10: If patients have worsening symptoms, this is the time in the disease's progression when they're
most likely to be admitted to the ICU. These patients probably have more abdominal pain and appetite loss than patients with
milder cases. Only a small fraction die: The
current fatality rate
hovers at about 2%.
Day 17: On average, people who recover from the virus are discharged from the hospital after 2 1/2 weeks.
The first symptoms, however, may not come right after a person has been infected. Lauren Ancel Meyers, an epidemiologist at the
University of Texas at Austin, told Business Insider that a typical patient might be infected without showing symptoms for five or
Once symptoms do appear, they can be similar to those of pneumonia. But Paras Lakhani, a radiologist at Thomas Jefferson University,
told Business Insider that COVID-19 could be distinguished from pneumonia because of the way it worsened over time.
Here is (rather strange) timeline of appearance of those symptoms from
Opinion - U.S. Leaders' fatal error in virus response
It is non-convincing but this is the best I could find:
Typically symptoms are evident on the fifth day of the disease or earlier. Most people recover in 3-4 weeks. Recovered people are
immune to the disease.
Historically only around 14% of COVID-19 infections show severe symptoms (which means cases that they require medical attention and
prescription drugs.) Some cases are without symptoms. Here are the currently available historical data for the sample of 44 415 cases:
Mild ( regular flu scenario; no medical attention required): ..............................................
81% (36 160 cases)
Severe (some medical attention and prescription drags (severe cough, etc) are required) : .... 14% (6168 cases) Critical (hospitalization is required ): .....................................................................................
5% (2087 cases)
The main sophistication of this virus is that it spread from infected people which show no symptoms of the diseases (during incubational
period) which is typically from five to seven days with the longest period being 14 day (
Doctors Treating Covid-19 in Wuhan Say About The Virus - Bloomberg, Mar 5, 2020):
“From most of the publications right now the median incubation period is five to seven days, with the longest incubation period
as 14 days,” said Du Bin, a member of China’s team of experts overseeing coronavirus treatment. “There’s no data showing that an
incubation period longer than 14 days ever existed.”
In some patients, the onset of the virus happened very slowly with only a mild fever before their conditions deteriorated rapidly
10 days later, according to Li Haichao, deputy director of the respiratory department at the First Hospital of Peking University
Some data suggest that 6-10% of infected people show no symptoms. Experience in China revealed that infections occurred
in family clusters. The afflicted were tended to by the household, exposing everyone to the infection.
Cynically speaking "this pandemic is nothing to worry about for people of breeding age. If anything, it will reduce long term health
care costs by running through the old people." (
Effects of COVID-19 are similar to OC43 (one of four other mild coronaviruses probably responsible for 25% of all “common colds”,
which causes 15% severe cases and 0.2% fatal cases). As Marc Lipsitch, an infectious disease epidemiologist at Harvard’s T.H.
Chan School of Public Health
deaths are the most obvious and easy thing to catch, whereas infected people who stay at home and those with no symptoms are incredibly
hard to account for. That tends to skew the fatality rate higher, especially earlier on in an epidemic.
The path of spreading currently is not very clear but probably include both droplets and infected surfaces (shopping cart handles,
any ATM or payment device, parking meters) ... and then touching your nose eyes, and face in general:
The best prevention against getting this virus is simple: WASH YOUR HANDS REGULARLY AND DON'T TOUCH YOUR FACE. The virus lived
on surfaces for at least Nine days. Things like public door handles, lift buttons, stair rails, supermarket trolleys, etc.
that are touched by thousands of people daily are going to in all probability carry the virus. The virus can't get through dry
skin, but if you rub your eye or suchlike the virus can get at your living tissue. Faces may also be a route. Clean toilets.
... ... ...
COVID19 also can infect the victim through a person's eyes. The sphere you want to avoid is up to 6 feet away from a known victim
or one you suspect has/is a carrier of COVID19.
... ... ...
I'm told that pharmacists here in England are saying the masks are only useful if worn by an infected person in order to prevent
transmission to others.
Median time for recovery is one month. Observed susceptibility is abound 20-60% of population. Which means
that 40 to 80% of population are immune and is not getting sick after contact with s sick person (worst case was Wuhan personnel where
60% got infects; the other worst case scenario was Diamond Princess cruse chip where only 20% got infected).
The main danger is traveling with the infected person and living in the same household. In households children are as likely to be
infected as adults.
Also some percentage of infected people never show any symptoms and the majority (over 80%) of cases never show symptom worse than
a typical flu and continue regular life routine. That creates preconditions for a rapid spread of the disease and converting it into
pandemic. In countries like the USA the situation is worsened by neoliberals cruel treatment of workers and lack of sick leaves (Wal-Mart
and other retail giants ) , when people are often forced to work with flu like symptoms, this spreading the disease both at work and
during the commute, if the use public transportation. Those greedy bastards from Wal-Mart merge sick leaves with vacations (which are
also not easy to get from mangers) [
Part time workers which are now substantial and growing part of the workforce are often work on really slave conditions, without
any vacations of pay leaves. There is no national paid leave policy in the USA, making it in this respect a third world country.
The most typical complication is bacterial pneumonia which is often deadly for older people and people with weakened immune
system (lasts from 6 to 41 days since admission for fatal cases).
The most typical complication is bacterial pneumonia which is often deadly for older people and people with weakened immune system
(lasts from 6 to 41 days since admission for fatal cases):
The median time from their first symptoms to when they became short of breath was five days; to hospitalization, seven
days; and to severe breathing trouble, eight days.”
Coronavirus Live Updates: Offers
of Help Go Unanswered by China as Death Toll Grows Again (New York Times, 2/7/20)
Without complication the symptoms of the flu disappears in approximately two to four weeks (four to six weeks if we count incubation
period). Like typically for coronavirus recovery includes a period of severe cough. That's a typical scenario for most healthy people.
In this sense, it is nothing more then highly infectious seasonal flu. Like is the case with all influenza viruses mortality is higher
in older population. China's CCDC found that the virus has the highest fatality rate around 15% for people aged 80 or older with co-occurring
So only for seniors it does represent a "clear and present danger" (with mortality reaching 8.0% for people over 70 I am a little
bit concerned about Democratic Candidates in this sense ;-). But such mortality in not atypical -- such people usually have a couple
of chronic diseases which make the prognosis far worse.
In many ways this coronavirus looks like a rerun of SARS (sharing approximately
80% of its genome) with four times lower mortality,
but higher number of infected persons. So SARC statistic data can serve as a fuzzy guideline:
Average period from admission to recovery: 23.5 days
Average period from admission to death: 35.9 days
Chances of complication are lower for people without chronic diseases, non-smokers and people outside heavily polluted cities. As
this virus can be called "virus pneumonia" it is more dangerous for males ( because heavy smokers are mostly males). So far we have
2.8% vs. 1.7% morality for make and female, correspondingly. In a sense virus has clear feminist bias.
In any cases mortality for this virus for people below 80 is in single digits ( and on average does not exceed 2 to 3% or approximately
25 times higher then seasonal flu: nearly 1800 people have died for over 70,000 have been infected ). The most compressive data about
the epidemics I found do far are provided in the following discussion in Quora
How serious is the 2019–20 Wuhan coronavirus
- Quora which I encourage to read in full. It does provides a lot of interesting data.
From Quora discussion:
Case-Fatality Rates (CFR) China by Age as of 2/11/20
50-59 1.3% 40-49 .4%
30-39 . 24% (18/7,600) 20-29 .19% (7/3,619)
10-19 .02% (1/549)
0 -09 .0 (0/416)
Young and healthy people, meanwhile, typically experience mild flu-like symptoms (some infected people do not display any symptoms
-- asymptomatic cases -- dangerous because they still spread the virus) and are not in danger, according to
the BBC. WHO recently stated that the virus manifests
as only a minor infection in four out of five people who contracted it, according to
The most cruel natural experiment with the virus was its spread the Diamond Princess cruise ship (closed space, high level of contact
between passengers, lack of qualified medical personnel and supplies, etc) Six people died (0.2% mortality) and around 700 people were
infected out of 3700. For all other the immune system managed to kill the virus. Which suggests susceptibility rate of around 20%.
One of the defining feature of this virus is high infection rate of people who came into a contact with the virus. But even in this
area while the virus is dangerous and protective measure were not taken, it is not catastrophically so.
We can view the epidemic on the Diamond Princess cruise ship as the worst case scenario (with much older then the average population;
very close contact with infected people of the rest population of the ship via common areas) ended
Here is one assessment from the Moon of Alabama blog (note: There are
6 deaths and 696 confirmed infections out of 3,711 passengers
Hysteria here in NYC is palpable, even more so than usual. I still look to the cruise ship. 600 people on a boat with CoV19. Perfect
conditions for virus to spread with common eating and common ventilation/AC. Many, many infected. How many dead? Two, both persons
in their 80s.
Posted by: casey | Mar 5 2020 16:15 utc |
Patients are generally given supportive care for their symptoms, such a fluids and pain relievers. In acute cases hospitalized patients
may need oxygen to support breathing.
One of the most important countermeasures is
Those who suspect they are infected should wear a
mask (especially when in public) and call a doctor for medical advice. By limiting the volume and travel distance of expiratory
droplets dispersed when talking, sneezing, and coughing, masks can serve a public health benefit in reducing transmission by those
If a mask is not available, anyone experiencing respiratory symptoms should cover a cough or sneeze with a tissue, promptly discard
it in the trash, and wash their hands. If a tissue is unavailable, individuals can cover their mouth or nose with a flexed elbow.
Masks are also recommended for those taking care of someone who may have the disease.
Rinsing the nose, gargling with mouthwash,
and eating garlic are not effective.
There is no evidence to show that masks protect uninfected persons at low risk and wearing them may create a false sense of security.
Surgical masks are widely used by healthy people in Hong Kong, Japan, Singapore and Malaysia. Surgical masks are not recommended
by the CDC as a preventive measure for the American general public.
The WHO advises the following best practices for mask usage:
respirators at least as protective as
N95, EU standard FFP2, or equivalent...
Patients are still prescribed existing antiviral drugs which have shown their effectiveness. The main treatment is aimed at reducing
the severity of symptoms and is similar to the treatment of traditional seasonal respiratory diseases, but the course of the duration
of the disease (with acute period typical for many virus infection around seven days) and the speed of the recovery after it depends
on the strength of the individual's immune system.
Planning is the most important aspect of the virus response, and countries need to know ahead of time how they are going
to handle each patient entering a fever clinic, detect suspected cases, confirm if they have the virus in labs and isolate possible
cases. For old people around 15% of cases advance to pneumonia, and it could be really bad
The old patients who actually need hospitalization for the disease often need mechanical ventilation, and this is a highly specialized
resource that's in much shorter supply than mere hospital beds.
As old patients are the most severely affected and tend to overburden the local hospitals, the imposition of a voluntary quarantine
on retired population in areas of active spread of infection is a sound measure. Two Japanese passengers - an 87-year-old man and an
84-year-old woman - were the first to die from the disease on February 19 pm Daemon Princess cruise ship. In the USA out six deaths
at least four have been among residents of a long-term care facility called Life Care Center, where more than 50 residents and staff
members had shown symptoms of the virus.
As old patients are the most severely affected and tend to overburden the local healthcare system, the imposition
of a voluntary quarantine on retired population in areas of active spread of infection is a sound measure. The imposition of the
requirement to wear mask for any person with cough and/or sneezing is another sound measure. The mass check of temperature
of passengers of mass transit is a must
Coronaviruses do not have such a very high infection rates and typically epidemic is limited to the spring season and subside in
summer. So epidemic last three-five months. But the period from infection to first symptom can last a week during which the person possibly
can infect other people creating an illusion of high infection rates. The fact that the virus can be infectious even during the
incubation period has not been proven
Currently patients are recommended to take medications that are prescribed for the prevention of seasonal respiratory virus infections.
These are medications that produce endogenous interferon.
If coronavirus COVID-19 is like other Coronaviruses it probably, like President Trump suggested, will “go away” in April, as temperatures
increase and there will be a lot of sunny days. So far is did not reach the size of a typical flu epidemic with 8,000-plus deaths in
Most Coronaviruses are seasonal, but there was an outbreak in Dominical Republic resorts in summer 2018 which was atypical. So it
it’s not yet clear if the new virus will follow the same pattern — and experts caution against banking on the weather to resolve this
Will the New Coronavirus
'Go Away' in April - FactCheck.org)
Several days later, in a White House
meeting with state governors, he repeated the idea and was more specific on the outbreak’s timeline.
Trump, Feb. 10: Now, the virus that we’re talking about having to do — you know, a lot of people think that goes away
in April with the heat — as the heat comes in. Typically, that will go away in April. We’re in great shape though. We have 12
cases — 11 cases, and many of them are in good shape now.
As of March 3, 2020, the epidemics in China is already subsiding:
The health ministry on Tuesday announced just 125 new cases of the virus detected over the past 24 hours, the lowest number since
authorities began publishing nationwide figures on Jan. 21. Another 31 deaths were reported, all of them in the hardest-hit province
of Hubei. The figures bring China's total number of cases to 80,151 with 2,943 deaths.
China’s U.N. ambassador says the government believes that “victory” over the coronavirus won’t be far behind the coming
Per country, currently the worst mortality was observed is 4.4% (Iran.) but that only can means that the number of cases are
underreported or there are many cases that are asymptomatic and not included in statistics. For the graphic map, see
Pray as though everything depended on God.
Work as though everything depended on you.
First of all, there is no reasons to panic. This is not another Black Death epidemics. Far from it. It looks like healthy people
younger then 60 have little to fear but fear itself. Outside New York metropolitan area (and selected hot spots in other large cites)
chances to get pneumonia are approximately the same as to get into serious auto crash. Children are rarely infected and typically are
infected in family not in school setting:
"One of the striking epidemiologic features of this coronavirus is how little the pediatric population is involved" said William
Schaffner, infectious diseases specialist at Vanderbilt University Medical Center.
The main mechanism of transmission is religious congregations, meetings and conferences as well as intra-family transmission.
With minimum precautions chances to get infection in public transport (wearing mask in obligatory safety measure) and office are
minimal. Transmission "hand to nose of eyes" can be effectively blocked with soup and hand sanitizers. Most shops now offer
iether sanitizer or wipes as a courtesy for customers.
But fear is addictive and it looks like panic, including panic buying had spread in the USA, fueled by irresponsible MSM fearmongering.
For example, reporting deaths from the virus neoliberal MSM do not split it by age groups as this would decrease the level of fear in
the population ( and their profits ). In reality only severe and critical cases (when a patient develops virus pneumonia) matter.
All other cases should be treated like flu cases are treated. Mortality for this virus is highly age dependent. This coronavirus
pandemic is no nothingburger, it is a flu-epidemic-level spike in death of the elderly and infirm.
Another dirty trick that MSM resort to inflate panic to report just the number of death from the virus, not the deviation from
the average number of deaths for a week or a month or so artificially increases panic. Around 8K people dies in the USA any particular
day without any epidemic. So far maximum deviation from average mortality in any particular day of this epidemics was less then
20%. In many countries (including EU and GB) average weekly mortality is down not up.
Reporting deaths from the virus neoliberal MSM do not split it by age groups as this would decrease the level
of fear in the population ( and their profits ). Also reporting just the number of death from the virus, not the deviation
form the average number of deaths for a week or a month or so artificially increases panic.
Panic and fear artificially incited by neoliberal MSM are also amplified by cowardice to face the risks immanent in any epidemics
(as well as driving the car) is doing more damage than the disease itself. They provoked the wave of panic hoarding in the USA
which started in February with isopropyl alcohol and hand sanitizer (which in early March reached $60 for 8 ounces bottle on Amazon
;-) As of March 16 it is still in full force with empty shelves in supermarkets as it gradually spread starting from March 10 to many
other products categories including paper towels, bathroom tissue, all types of sanitizers and non perishable food. Especially puzzling
and irrational is hoarding bathroom tissue.
Sometime neoliberal MSM coverage of epidemics looks like a complete 100% departure from reality. More people will die in Yemen
and Syria each day going forward, and no one cares. Many old people will serious chronic condition who are die from coronavirus induced
pneumonia would die from flu induced pneumonia the same year as they are too weak to resist even flu. Winter is a very bad season
for such people in any case.
Of course, another extreme is fatalism as expressed by Paul Bogdanich in his post at
moonofalabama.org (Mar 11 2020 )
I should have clarified, I'm an American living in the United States. That said, it bothers me. The absolute lack of any detectable
level of courage or fortitude in the face of diversity (hard times) is just stunning.
Old people die. Everyone dies over time.
Viruses like the flu or SARS, or COVID-19 accelerate that process from time to time. It's just what viruses do. There is no
cure for either death or viruses. If you want, the biblical "Ye shall surely die."
Even in advanced age life has meaning and is exciting when you're solving concrete problems helping your family, or community, or
humanity as a whole. Many outstanding achievements were made people over 70 year old (
Knuth published The Art of
Computer Programming, Volume 4, Fascicle 5 Mathematical Preliminaries Redux; Introduction to Backtracking; Dancing at 81;
Verdi wrote at 74 Othello and
(1893) being 80). People over 70 now
dominate Presidential Elections in the USA ;-) Falstaff
And unlike fatalists thinking, we do not need to apply to our life the moral metrics which are appropriate only to communities who
live on a verge of survival. Loosing some part of annual national income to save lives via quarantine is affordable. Mass testing is
a sure way to improve cost efficiency of quarantines and similar measures during virus epidemics. Retired people can and should stay
home and avoid situation where they can catch the infection. Reckless behaviour during virus epidemics is a crime and need to
be punished appropriately.
But it is true that the panic can do more damage than the virus itself. And that we need an objective perspective to access the level
of threat inherent in this virus epidemics. In the USA a reasonable threshold for classifying the treat as serious are probably
events that exceed car fatalities. In 2016 National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) registered 37,461 killed, an
average of 102 per day.
In the USA a reasonable threshold for classifying the treat as serious are probably events that exceed car fatalities.
Which means around 40K people killed per year with the average over 100 per day. The society accepts this level of fatalities
as normal, so why this virus epidemics should be treated differently ? Nobody stops driving cars because of this level of risk.
We are still in single digits of victims per day with COVID-19. It did proved high infectious. But there is highly infectious and
highly deadly pathogens are two distinct group that do not mix. It is as if viruses need to make choice between high mortality
and high transmission: viruses that kill their host, before the host infects others, die with the host and this can't kill many
hosts without eliminating themselves as well.
With this coronavirus, there seems to be a larger then usual window (aka incubation period) during which a person can be infected
and transmitting the virus, without having symptoms. In a way this is a rather "clever" virus. But long incubation period does not eliminates
biological reason why highly infectious viruses should evolve to become less deadly in order to succeed.
While the US government of Mar 13 declared the coronavirus a US national emergency and offered $50 billion for support of state
and local governments to fight the virus with FEMA, additional measures will not have an immediate effect. But they will
definitely slow down the spread of virus "flattening" the epidemics curve and this allowing more patients to survive.
The current dynamic of epidemic in the USA and the world so far is exponential growth of cases with most infections clustered in
just half-dozen countries. Which is typical for an early stage of virus epidemic. Excluding China which now is past its peak and
is in decline, the other fastest growing hotspots are Italy, Iran, Spain and France. As of Mar 10, 2020 in the USA -- only three
states -- Washington State, New York, and California have over 100 cases
A typical flu epidemic in the USA infects tens of million people and cause approx
20-50K fatalities per year (somewhere
between 0.1% and 1%) but does not create any headlines in neoliberal MSM. According to the CDC’s weekly US flu report of
February 22, 2020,
“So far this season there have been at least 32 million flu illnesses, 310,000 hospitalizations and 18,000 deaths from flu.”
For comparison the mortality rate in South Korea, where more than 1,100 tests have been administered per million residents, comes
out to just 0.6% and concentrated in the old and/or with chronic conditions. In view of USA media hysteria about Coronavirus COVID-19,
we need to concentrate on facts, not fears. Here is
Craig Murray comparison with the Hong Kong flu pandemic of 1968/9:
The Hong Kong flu pandemic of 1968/9 was the last really serious flu pandemic to sweep the UK. They do seem extraordinarily regular
– 1919, 1969 and 2020. Flu epidemics have much better punctuality than the trains (though I cheated a bit there and left out the
1958 “Asian flu”). Nowadays “Hong Kong flu” is known as H3N2.
Estimates for deaths it caused worldwide vary from 1 to 4 million.
In the UK it killed an estimated 80,000 people.
If the current coronavirus had appeared in 1968, it would simply have been called “flu”, probably “Wuhan flu”. COVID-19 may not
be nowadays classified as such, but in my youth flu is definitely what we would have called it. The Hong Kong flu was very similar
to the current outbreak in being extremely contagious but with a fairly low mortality rate. 30% of the UK population is estimated
to have been infected in the Hong Kong flu pandemic. The death rate was about 0.5%, mostly elderly or with underlying health conditions.
But there was no massive panic, no second by second media hysteria, over Hong Kong flu. Let me start being unpopular. “Man
in his 80’s already not very well from previous conditions, dies of flu” is not and should not be a news headline. The coverage is
prurient, intrusive, unbalanced and designed to cause hysteria.
COVID-19 epidemic handing in the USA
Masks are less useful as a protection, but they are very useful for preventing people with no symptom infecting others. Most surgical
masks are too loose to prevent inhalation of the virus. But they diminish the number of infected droplets you inhale (with proper fitting
and during initial hour or two substantially), and do
prevent you from touching your nose, and for many people that alone is a valuable
So wearing one is an important service to other people: if you are infected but has no symptoms that helps to prevent infecting others.
In areas where there are active cases such as NYC or Seattle wearing masks is a necessary and useful precaution.
The most effective are the so-called N95 masks, which block 95 percent of very small particles.
Also the dynamic of the disease might be different and more severe if the virus initially gets directly in lungs then when it initially
infect via other parts of the body.
As they can prevent you from passing along any infection wearing masks in public places need to be mandatory. Masks can be
reusable as to provide disposable masks for all population is a difficult and resources consuming task. You can wash them.
Detergent and hot water kills the virus instantly.
The advice to avoid masks outright is wrong. There is a place for them, but of course they’re just not a panacea. And it true that
if used improperly without washing/rubbing with alcohol your hands after removing they may actually increase your risk. The general
problem is that is difficult to follow a proper "decontamination procedure" or what you do when you replace the mask with a new one
or remove it completely create substantial burden on people and that means that few will be following it.
Also the period during which a single mask is effective is limited to approx two hours or so (enough for commute and shopping).
After this period expire it needs to be disposed or disinfected (soap or soaking in 40% or higher alcohol mix is enough
to kill all bacteria/viruses)
February 15, 2019 Terry A.,
5.0 out of 5 stars Exactly what I wanted
They fit great, easy to wear. Just an FYI...
I was an operating room nurse for most of my career and we were instructed
to wear masks for 2 hours and then dispose. As we breathe, the moisture from our airway dampens the mask and acts as a wick,
drawing things in, rather than protecting us.
You can probably adapt some electrical purifier for this purpose two. See for example
Officials are against mass wearing mass for several reason, one of which are shortages. As Dr. Sarah Borwein stated in her
Amazon.com New True HEPA Filter Air Purifier - Anion Activated Carbon Filter Perfect for Smoking and Dust Mite Allergy Suffere.
They dilute the stream of air that comes to your lung with purified air and as such diminish the chances of infection. Exclusive Interview on COVID-19
with SARS Veteran published on MedLink:
The shortage of masks has many people feeling quite anxious and unprotected. But masks are NOT very effective at preventing transmission
of viral infections, particularly when worn by healthy people.
They are by no means the most important measure you can take to
protect your health. In fact, if you wear a mask incorrectly, touch or adjust it frequently, re-use it, or fail to wash your hands
before putting it on and after taking it off, you may actually increase your risk.
Who should wear a mask:
People who are sick, to prevent them spreading their viral droplets when they cough or sneeze.
People caring for sick people at close quarters.
In a health-care setting.
People whose occupation requires them to have close contact with clients.
As it has become socially unacceptable in Hong Kong to NOT wear a mask, there may be situations in which you might choose to wear
a mask simply to make other people feel comfortable.
But in general, healthy people do not need to wear masks, except when they need to be in crowded places, or with possibly sick
In the USA epidemic started much later then in China (in late February, instead of November or early December in China) and as such
closer to warm season, which should probably make it less severe. Every industrialized country in the world probably had been studying
coronavirus after MERS and SARS. Some purely to defend against outbreaks, others to weaponized it. So a lot of information was available
and some of it was used.
What is bad that it looks like the USA did not have a plan how to deal with the coronavirus epidemic. To add insult to the injury
Trump disbanded the pandemic group.
PBS Reporter Who Asked About Disbanded Pandemic Group - The National Memo
China made a few missteps at the start so its doubtful they knew what they were dealing with at the start other having a sudden batch
of pneumonia due to a new virus. They reacted the same as any rational well organized country would react.
The USA started with full information about the virus and still CDC managed to botch production of test kits, which definitely made
the epidemics more severe as fewer infected people were detected at early stages. Also travel restriction were ad hoc (compare
with Israel mandatory 14 days quarantine for all air passengers)
In no way this is a new Spanish flu pandemic which killed by various estimate between 25 and 100 million people (with the majority
of deaths from
bacterial pneumonia). Here is some information
Main article: Spanish flu
The 1918 flu pandemic,
commonly referred to as the
Spanish flu, was a
category 5 influenza pandemic caused by an unusually
severe and deadly Influenza A virus
strain of subtype
The Spanish flu pandemic lasted from 1918 to 1920. Older estimates say it killed 40–50 million people while current estimates
say 50 million to 100 million people worldwide were killed. This pandemic has been described as "the greatest medical holocaust in
history" and may have killed as many people as the
although the Black Death is estimated to have killed over a fifth of the world's population at the time, a significantly higher proportion.
This huge death toll was caused by an extremely high infection rate of up to 50% and the extreme severity of the symptoms, suspected
to be caused by
cytokine storms. Indeed, symptoms in 1918
were so unusual that initially influenza was misdiagnosed as dengue,
cholera, or typhoid. One observer wrote, "One of the most striking
of the complications was hemorrhage from mucous membranes, especially from the nose, stomach, and intestine. Bleeding from the ears
and petechial hemorrhages in the skin also occurred." The majority
of deaths were from bacterial pneumonia, a
secondary infection caused by influenza, but the
virus also killed people directly, causing massive hemorrhages
and edema in the lung.
The Spanish flu pandemic was truly global, spreading even to the
Arctic and remote Pacific islands. The unusually severe disease
killed between 2 and 20% of those infected, as opposed to the more usual flu epidemic
mortality rate of 0.1%.
Another unusual feature of this pandemic was that it mostly killed young adults, with 99% of pandemic influenza deaths occurring
in people under 65, and more than half in young adults 20 to 40 years old.
This is unusual since influenza is normally most deadly to the very young (under age 2) and the very old (over age 70).
total mortality of the 1918–1919 pandemic is not known, but it is estimated that up to 1% of the world's population was killed. As
many as 25 million may have been killed in the first 25 weeks; in contrast,
HIV/AIDS has killed 25 million in its first 25 years.
In comparison in China epidemics slowed down in two month, killing less then 10K people, due to drastic measures taken by the government
MoA - Coronavirus - Statistical Change Causes Confusion - New Case Count Continues To Decline
Deaths from is mostly limited to people with pre-existing health problems for whom pneumonia is deadly.
If we compare with the SARS coronavirus, which caused an outbreak of SARS in 2002-2003, we can state the its mortality rate
of this new coronavirus is much lower. 17 years ago, the mortality rate from SARS was about 10%.
John Bolton declares China 'responsible' for coronavirus outbreak, says world must hold them 'accountable'
China silenced coronavirus whistleblowers, expelled journalists, destroyed samples, refused CDC help, and concealed counts
of deaths and infections. It's fact there was a massive coverup. China is responsible. The world must act to hold them accountable.
AFAICT (after reading it on ZH) it's just part of the CYA propaganda that has appeared after US government's failure. This
is just one of many articles posted by ZH that are transparent attempts to blame China.
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These are damning:
If the Democratic Party were a Party of opposition instead of a Party of collaboration, they would be asking: National Security Council's classifying all discussions about virus preparation (in mid January!);
Senator Richard Burr's warning his friends and supporters of the severity of the virus impact;
Health officials suppressing testing (as I described @79);
Blaming China for the West's failure to prepare - the West had all the info they needed (and kept it secret so they could
game the response to benefit their own agenda).
What did the
President know, and when did he know it?
There are four hypotheses that are circulating as for the origin of the virus:
It is the result of the jump from animal to human in China. This is the official, politically correct hypotheses.
how true it is is difficult to say, but virus definably did not jump into human due to low sanitary standards and trading of meat
of wild animals in Wuhan seefood market ( The
Wuhan wet market theory, compelling story it may be, has been debunked)
The Wuhan wet market theory, compelling story it may be, has been debunked
those viral videos were actually filmed in Palau and Indonesia by holidaying Chinese (&Filipinos).
At the same tine China remain the optional base for such a jump due to several factors involved. See
Joe Rogan Experience #1439 - Michael Osterholm ( I highly
recommend to listed to the whole interview; it is pretty educating)
The virus originated in the USA and was introduced to China by by visiting American soldiers during the Military World Games,
which took place in Wuhan in October 19-27, 2019 and also to Italy as first cases in Italy were registered in November-December timeframe.
The most strong arguments supporting this hypotheses can be found in article
An Alternative Media Selection - The Unz Review and the comments
to this article at The Unz Review, Mar 22, 2020
Bioengineered in China and accidentally leaked from Wuhan lab. See
Leading Bioweapons Expert
Says Covid-19 Likely a Weaponized Virus – American Free Press
Bioengineered in the USA and accidentally leaked from Fort Detrick. Fort Detrick's labs are a very scary place
See Last Man Standing, by Godfree Roberts - The Unz Review.
Proponents of this hypotheses point out than the USA was engaged in development and using bioweapons for a long time. And
the organization behind the anthrax poisoning cases that happened after 9/11 was never uncovered; some attributed this tragic
incident the desire of certain forces within the USA to pass Patriot Act by eliminating the resistance to it, which, if true,
makes this accident suspiciously similar to Reichstag fire.
There was some strange accident in this lab in July, 2019 which led CDC to close of the lab due to “biosafety lapses” at the
«The U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID) facility at Fort Detrick, Maryland — the U.S.
military’s lead laboratory for “biological defense” research since the late 1960s — was forced to halt all research it was
conducting with a series of deadly pathogens after the CDC found that it lacked “sufficient systems in place to decontaminate
wastewater” from its highest-security labs and failure of staff to follow safety procedures, among other lapses. The facility
contains both level 3 and level 4 biosafety labs. While it is unknown if experiments involving coronaviruses were ongoing at
the time, USAMRIID has recently been involved in research borne out of the Pentagon’s recent concern about the use of bats
«The decision to shut down USAMRIID garnered surprisingly little media coverage, as did the CDC’s surprising decision to
allow the troubled facility to “partially resume” research late last November even though the facility was and is still not
at “full operational capability.” The USAMRIID’s problematic record of safety at such facilities is of particular concern in
light of the recent coronavirus outbreak in China. As this report will soon reveal, this is because USAMRIID has a decades-old
and close partnership with the University of Wuhan’s Institute of Medical Virology» outbreak of the first epidemic explosion,
which now seems almost totally overcome in the country.
Bioengineered in Canadian biolab in Winnipeg and moved or stolen to China by researchers where it was accidentally released.
A variant of the same hypothesis.
According to the South China Morning Post, the first case of someone suffering from what later came to be known as Covid-19
occurred in China on November 17. The number of cases
in December, with the majority cases in Wuhan . The Chinese
informed the World Health Organization of new pneumonia cases of unknown etiology on Dec 30, 2019. This is the 1st mention of the
coronavirus before they knew what it was, from Reuters.com, Dec 30 2019:
"Chinese health authorities said they are investigating 27 cases of viral pneumonia in the central city of Wuhan."
Later they established that four of the five initial patients that they managed to trace have no contact with the wet market
(which since was demolished). While the market was the first 'cluster' of cases it was not the source of the outbreak. Some suggest
that the virus may originate in the USA:
New research by Chinese, Japanese and Taiwanese scientists seems to indicate that the Covid-19 coronavirus did not originate in
China. In fact, Japanese and Taiwanese scientists have gone a step further and have stated that the virus came from the USA.
The same scientists claim that they believe the virus first appeared in the USA back in September 2019. At around the same time,
two other things occurred.
200 Americans died of pulmonary fibrosis (inability to breathe) but the conditions and symptoms were not typical of the illness
(these deaths were blamed on E-cigarettes and then hushed up).
Oh, and just before this incident, the bio-weapons research laboratory at Fort Detrick was hastily closed down...
Richard | Mar 5 2020 15:41 utc |
reported in the BMJ, on January
11 and 12, the Chinese authorities shared the virus’ genetic sequence for countries to use in “developing specific diagnostic kits.”
440 deaths had been confirmed by January 21. By the 22nd, seven cases had been confirmed OUTSIDE China, including one in the US. All
were travelers from Wuhan. But the USA government was busy with other staff to pay attention to this threat -- they were preparing the
assassination of Soleimani ( Asleep at the wheel Why
didn’t Western politicians act quicker on Covid-19 spread — RT Op-ed):
On January 22, the UK government announced that health teams would meet the three direct flights a week from Wuhan, China, the
epicenter of the virus. At the same time, the risk level was raised from ‘very low’ to ‘low’. But as Neil Ferguson, director
of the MRC Centre for Global Infectious Disease Analysis at Imperial College, London, pointed out, flight screening was no panacea.
“This measure will only identify people who have symptoms as they come off the plane. If someone was infected two days before
they travelled, they will arrive without any symptoms at all.” He added, and I emphasize in bold: “It’s essential
that the entire health system is alert to the possibility that there will be cases here.”
Lo and behold, the first British case was confirmed nine days later, on January 31, 2020, from Chinese nationals staying at a
hotel in York. That very same day, the first cases were also confirmed in Italy. Guess what: they were two Chinese tourists in Rome.
Italy is now the world’s number one coronavirus ‘hotspot’. Nearly 3,000 have died there and 60mn people are in quarantine.
Wouldn’t it have been better, if instead of ineffective flight screening, all flights to Western countries from China had been
stopped in January – and all travelers who had recently visited China been quarantined? France, by the way, got its first three cases
on January 24 (a week before Italy and the UK). All three people had just come back from China. You don’t have to be Sherlock Holmes
to see the pattern, do you?
In the New Year, the number one priority of Western politicians should have been the new coronavirus and how best to protect their
own populations from it. But their minds were clearly on other things.
Trump – egged on by Washington’s Endless War Lobby – was engaged in an utterly reckless escalation of tensions with Iran. While
Covid-19 was spreading in China, the New Year began with the assassination of General Soleimani, a man who had been fighting ISIS,
but who was now portrayed as the ‘worst terrorist in the world’. The ‘Iran crisis’ dominated the news cycle. Boris Johnson meanwhile
began the year on holiday with his girlfriend in Mustique. The opposition Labour Party were focusing on a leadership election which
needn’t have taken place for several months. Three of the four candidates declared on television on February 13 – a day after the
UN had activated its WHO-led Crisis Management team to deal with a rapidly
escalating problem –that their ‘number one priority’ was… tackling ‘anti-Semitism’ in the Labour Party. Yet after all the brouhaha
about anti-Semitism being ‘rife’ in Labour, it was reported at the end of February that the police had ended up
charging just one person, a former Labour member.
Here is another interesting post (by Walrus) on the origins of the virus (
A Short Note On Coronavirus COVID-19 By Walrus. - Sic Semper Tyrannis )
... ... ...
Comment: The virology timeline dates I saw indicated a very tightly linked set of actions by China, the World
Health Organisation (WHO) and researchers once the alarm was raised.. By that I mean that China and the WHO responded and acted almost
immediately - within one or two days, as new information was received and have and still are actively and openly communicating and
assisting with further research.
In my opinion, such openness, honesty and actions are totally inconsistent with any of the multitude of conspiracy theories
So much for the virology.......
On the epidemiological front, there is also interesting news. The first is researcher opinion that
this virus has probably
been circulating at least in November and possibly in October. It is also believed that the mathematical models show
that there are perhaps Ten times the cases world wide than are officially recorded. This partly because some cases are asymptomatic
and currently available tests indicate false negative results. This is good news for the case fatality rate if proven because
it is ten times less lethal than we currently estimate.
The researchers believe that the virus originated in Bats (notorious RNA Coronavirus carriers) and then infected Wuhan wet market
produce - Pangolins, which then infected people. The initial cases were a group of men in the Wuhan wet market -which is also the
cause of the error that the virus attacks men more than women, there are few female market workers. The apparent evidence for this
is that large quantities of the virus have been found on the trading floor of another Wuhan wet market - the original Wuhan wet market
was perhaps disinfected and its now demolished. (So much for the "bio weapon" BS.)
The best prevention against getting this virus is simple: WASH YOUR HANDS REGULARLY AND DON'T TOUCH YOUR FACE. The virus lived
on surfaces for at least Nine days. Things like public door handles, lift buttons, stair rails, supermarket trolleys, etc.
that are touched by thousands of people daily are going to in all probability carry the virus. The virus can't get through dry
skin, but if you rub your eye or suchlike the virus can get at your living tissue. Faces may also be a route. Clean toilets.
Mask are a waste of time and money except in special cases.
Lessons of Wuhan
In China solidarity and nationwide effort, including sending medics to Wuhan, played an important role in eradiating the epidemic:
China suffered through the H1N1 coronavirus epidemic in 2008 largely because the CDC took
6 months to identify it and, as a result, 300,000 died prematurely. SARS (774 deaths) was the clincher. They
created a hair-trigger alarm system, mandated post-mortem pneumonia DNA testing nationwide, and promoted the
CDC head, Dr. George F. Gao[ 1] to Demigod.
Their Covid-19 emergency has now passed and must give Dr. Gao a B+ because, though his
system contained a potential epidemic it suffered from a weakness: local politicians could delay, (but not stop)
the alarm sounding. Doubtless for sound bureaucratic reasons, Wuhan officials delayed notifying Beijing for
a few weeks but, after Beijing pried the information from the Wuhan Director of Public Health , the system swung into action, everyone pitched in, and they literally killed it. They
fired him the next day. Henceforth local politicians will be out of the loop and everyone will have a CDC hotline
National cohesion and coordination were amazing, thanks to the Communist Party. They coordinated
everything and filled all the gaps, no questions asked. Ninety percent of the frontline volunteer medical staff–of
whom 18 died–were Party members sworn to ‘bear the people’s burden first and enjoy their pleasures last.’ Zhang
Wenhong, a prominent Party member and Director of the Department of Infectious Diseases at Shanghai’s Huashan
Hospital, became a local hero for his pep-talk to Party members [emphasis added]:
The first-aid team put themselves in great danger. They are tired and need to rest.
We shouldn’t take advantage of good people. From now on, I’ll replace all the frontline medics with Party
members from different sectors. When we joined the Party, we vowed that we would always prioritize people’s
interests and press forward in the face of difficulties. This is the moment we live up to the pledge. All
CPC members must rush to the front line. I don’t care what you were actually thinking when you joined
the party. Now it’s time to live up to what you promised. I don’t care if you personally agree or not: it’s
Altogether, 40,000 volunteers self-organized and showed up to help Wuhan.
, 1. Dr. Gao has made contributions to the study of inter-species
pathogen transmission. He organized the first World Flu Day on November 1 2018, commemorating the centenary
of the Spanish flu. It was also the 15-year commemoration of the severe acute respiratory syndrome outbreak,
SARS, which led to China prioritising investment in the public health system. He is a virologist and immunologist.
He has served as Director of the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention since 2017 and Dean of the
Savaid Medical School of the University of Chinese Academy of Sciences since 2015. Gao is an academician of
the Chinese Academy of Sciences and The World Academy of Sciences, as well as a foreign associate of the US
National Academy of Sciences and the US National Academy of Medicine. He was awarded the TWAS Prize in Medical
Science in 2012 and the Nikkei Asia Prize in 2014.
As of February 15, 2020 (01:30 UTC), there were 67K confirmed cases of infection, of which 66K were within mainland China.
After that epidemics quickly dissipated with less then 200 cases a day reported recently
Wuhan is eleven million city and it has less then 100K cases as of Feb 2020 (approximately two months after the epidemics started;
it started with zero protective measures in place and run wild probably for a month or so ), so we should probably have hope to survive
As I’ve said in other places about “Kung Flu”:
Wake me up when there’s a Small-pox outbreak: As contagious as the common cold
with a 30% mortality rate at least… No vaccines, no effective treatment… and I suspect anyone under 50 would be at risk…
As of Feb 18, 2020 the spreading of the virus is decelerating and dropped from the local max of 64% (01/27/2020) to less then 3%
a day (since 02/15/2020). Currently less then 100K people are infected. Here is know dynamic of infections (
of the 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak in December 2019 – January 2020 - Wikipedia):
Data of tested cases is sourced from
Chinese National Health
Commission daily reports. Data of C.D. cases from 2020-02-12 to 2020-02-15 is sourced from
Health Commission of Hubei daily reports.
On Mar 17 Washington Post reporter based in Peking provided the first-hand evidence that life in Peking is returning to normal. Restaurants
At the same as
Pepe Escobar reported:
Zhang Wenhong , one of China’s top infectious disease experts, whose analyses have been spot on so far, now says
China has emerged from the darkest days in the “people’s war” against Covid-19. But he does not think this will be over by summer.
Now extrapolate what he’s saying to the Western world.
Misinformation and fearmongering from MSM and online sources about the coronavirus get is new term from the WHO -- an "infodemic"
On 2 February, the WHO declared there was a "massive infodemic" accompanying the outbreak and response, citing
of reported information, accurate and false, about the virus that "makes it hard for people to find trustworthy sources and reliable
guidance when they need it."
The WHO stated that the high demand for timely and trustworthy information has incentivised the creation of a direct WHO 24/7
myth-busting hotline where its communication and social media teams have been monitoring and responding to misinformation through
its website and social media pages
Some members of alternative press such as
Zero Hedge (who probably act as a short sellers) also are guilty is spreading the hysteria.
The main concern is that the epidemic might lead to the economic downturn. Also it generated a wave of xenophobia. As Wikipedia states
"Xenophobia and racism against people of Chinese and East Asian descent have arisen as a result of the outbreak, with fear and hostility
occurring in several countries."
In reality this new type of coronaviruses has the average mortality around 1%. So the threat for the population is low.
LISTEN CBC Radio
cuts off expert when he questions Covid19 narrative – OffGuardian
CBC Radio – Cross Country Checkup, March 15 2020
Duncan McCue (DM, Host): Dr Joel Kettner is on the line from Manitoba. Hi, Dr Kettner welcome to Checkup.
You teach at the University of Manitoba and are former Chief Medical Officer of Manitoba, I understand. So what do you think of how
we are coping right now?
Dr Joel Kettner (JK): Well I don’t know what to think, frankly, but I’ll tell you what I do think. First, I wanna
say that in 30 years of public health medicine I have never seen anything like this, anything anywhere near like this. I’m not talking
about the pandemic, because I’ve seen 30 of them, one every year. It is called influenza. And other respiratory illness viruses,
we don’t always know what they are. But I’ve never seen this reaction, and I’m trying to understand why. I have to say that I really
feel for my colleagues that are in public health practice. it is easy for me to sit in the armchair of my office and look at this
and observe it, and be critical and have ideas. But I really feel for them for three reasons.
One is that the data they are getting is incomplete to really make sense of the size of the threat. We are getting very crude
numbers of cases and deaths, very little information about testing rates, contagious analysis, severity rates, who is being hospitalised,
who is in intensive care, who is dying, what are the definitions to decide if someone died of the coronavirus or just died with the
There is so much important data that is very hard to get to guide the decisions on how serious a threat this is.
The other part is we actually do not have that much good evidence for the social distancing methods. It was just a couple of review
in the CDC emerging infectious disease journal, which showed that although some of them might work, we really don’t know to what
degree and the evidence is pretty weak.
The third part is the pressure that is being put on public health doctors and public health leaders. And that pressure is coming
from various places. The first place it came from was the Director-General of the World Health Organization (WHO) when he said
“This is a grave threat and a public enemy number one”, I have never heard a Director-General of WHO use terms like that.
Then when he announced the pandemic he said he was doing it
“because of a grave alarming quick spread of the disease and an
alarming amount of inaction around the world” that puts a huge pressure on public health doctors and leaders and advisors and
huge pressure on governments and then you get this what seems like a cascade of decision making that really puts pressure on the
countries and governments – provincial, state – to sort of…to keep up with this action that Dr Hoffman [an earlier guest on the programme]
said that we are trying to avoid, or should avoid, which is an overreaction. I don’t know what is an appropriate reaction, but
I do know that I am having trouble trying to figure this out and I…
[INTERRUPTED BY HOST]
The 2003 SARS outbreak, about which there was a similar panic, apparently ended up killing primarily East Asians.
This virus is different. First of all it origin in unclear. the The patient number 1, the person who first carried the virus, has
not been found. Several early paciets that Chinese authorities managed to trace have had no contact with Wuhan market.
The novel coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 is a Chinese virus that comes from bats. It infected people because Chinese people eat bats.
The source of the virus is actually not known. The patient number 1, the person who first carried the virus, has not been found.
The Wuhan wet market where exotic animals are sold
was not the
source of the outbreak:
Our brave neocon Secretary of State accused China that it did not notified the USA promptly enough. That move backfired in
| Mar 19 2020 14:22 utc
rebuts accusation of cover-up, says it first notified U.S. of coronavirus on Jan. 3
Now we know whose government covered up the epidemic for two months...
| Mar 19
2020 14:30 utc |
While origin is an open question(*), USA response to the virus raises appears to be calculated and self-serving.
The Empire Games Covid-19
* I haven' seen anyone dispute China's claim that USA has 5 strains and therefore must be the source.
Those media that are exaggerating the outbreak and trying to dramatize the situation are plainly selfish and immoral. Now is the
time to help China not to blame its government. Here is one comment from the Moon of Alabama blog on the topic:
SCMP constant China bashing...
What's Happening with Coronavirus (YouTube)
"Jude Blanchette, who holds the Freeman Chair in China Studies at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS)
The above idiots, yes
Idiots> (Blanchette and Stephen Morrison) not only ignorance but behind time...
Posted by: JC | Mar 6 2020 4:40 utc |
Reaction on the USA MSM on COVID-19 epidemics in China suggests that this incident was used as a start of a anti-China propaganda
campaign, explaining pre-existing China-gate propaganda. Similar to Russiagate. With the draconian measures already taking and the daily
increase of cases less 3% some expect already start doubting that travel restrictions continue to make sense post February, 2020. World
Health Organization Director-General Tedros Ahanom Ghebreyesus declare in mid February that he personally opposes travel bans. Zero
Hedge quoted him in its article the following way:
“We reiterate our call to all countries not to impose restrictions that unnecessarily interfere with international travel and
trade. Such restrictions can have the effect of increasing fear and stigma, with little public health benefit.”
Quartz story by Youyou Zhou adds to that the opinion of another expert -- Scott Gottlieb, former head of the US Food
and Drug Administration [ US
citizen dies of Wuhan virus in first confirmed non-Chinese fatality , , Quartz, February 8, 2020]:
Dr Nicholls seems to me to be an expert with apparently world-class credentials and no obvious agenda when addressing an audience of
wealthy investors seeking guidance and facts:
Scott Gottlieb, former head of the US Food and Drug Administration,
told CNBC, “We will see more cases in the US and a lot will be undetected.” He added, however, that he did not expect an
epidemic-level crisis in America.
The USA intelligence agencies again proved to be quite useless in this calamity. Here is a couple of interesting posts from Moon
of Alabama on the topic:
kiwiklown , Mar 22 2020 10:11 utc |
@Jackrabbit | Mar 21 2020 22:32 utc | 50
"These officials "failed us" in the same way that our media "fails us": they serve the interests of the EMPIRE-FIRST
Yuppp. Our error is to assume all 17 intelligence agencies; the presstitudes; and US "leadership" exist to serve the American
people. And so, yes, they "fail" the people. But, from the point of view of the controllers of those agencies and of those "leaders",
they hardly ever fail !!!
While the people argue over virulent minutae, they are once again helping themselves to the US Treasury.... Trillions of USDs....
kiwiklown , Mar 22 2020 10:36 utc |
@Jackrabbit | Mar 21 2020 23:10 utc | 54
"Caitlin Johnstone also sees the response being manipulated to focus hate on China...."
Yuppp, blaming China, hating on China achieves several objectives:
it misdirects Americans from blaming Trump's "leadership";
it excuses Trump's mismanagement ("...the Chinese LIED...")
it absolves the CDC, 17 "intelligence" agencies, etc;
it continues The Great China Pivot started by Great Pretender Obama;
it uses current fear to mobilise Americans to hate China more;
it prepares Americans for when war on China becomes feasible;
Just look at how US leadership has been hating on Russia for the last 100 years, waiting to whack them with a sneak attack
kiwiklown , Mar 22 2020 11:25 utc |
@Jackrabbit | Mar 22 2020 2:45 utc | 79
".... was then told to STOP TESTING...... A medical person would not try to suppress testing. That would be a "management
decision" and its the Nation Security Council that was running the show (and which had classified all discussions related to
Thanks for reminding us of Dr Chu's story. What if the US leadership:
Knew the coronavirus was already out in the wild in the US by Sep 2019;
Decided to set up China to be the "origin" to be blamed;
Realized that a "pandemic" can be the cover for kicking the table over to do the Great Financial Reset;
Li Wenliang was ophthalmologist, not epidemiologist. He noticed some clustering of pneumonia infections and thought that they
are the return of SARC virus. He shared this hypothesis (which was unsubstantiated rumor) with several colleagues in his private WeChat
group on Dec 30, 2019 and was summoned to policy who asked him to not spread this misinformation and allowed him to return to work.
Later he became infected (he started coughing on jan 10) and died February 7 from this pneumonia. Being just 34 he probably among half-dozen
youngest victim of the virus at the time (mostly medical workers). In any case his post to WeChat now is considered to mark
the beginning of epidemics in China.
Here are some interesting details that were misreported by neoliberal MSM:
, says: Show Comment
Godfree Roberts March 4,
2020 at 11:43 pm GMT
Great survey. Some quibbles:
Before going down himself in the line of duty, Dr. Li faced a harsh reprimand from representatives of the Chinese Communist
Party. Dr. Li was accused of spreading rumors and illegally threatening the social order with his tweets and posts and personal
interventions. Nevertheless, Dr. Li was soon vindicated in calling attention to the coming plague .
Not really. Li was a junior ophthalmologist at a Wuhan hospital who overheard a rumor that SARS had broken out again. Li did
not inform China's CDC, which was already investigating it. Instead, Li used social media to repeat the rumor to family and friends
and they told their friends .
Li was wrong professionally: it was not SARS, as he asserted in his tweets. Li was wrong legally: it is illegal to spread
rumors likely to cause panic. Li was neither harshly questioned nor convicted of anything. After an hour of questioning the police
concluded that he had merely acted irresponsibly and he was allowed to return to work.
The Wuhan Coronavirus epidemic of 2020 is causing the once-firm ground beneath many established institutions to shake
uncontrollably. One of those institutions, the Chinese communist government, is encountering its Chernobyl moment .
Every multilateral public health body that has studied the outbreak has praised the timeliness, thoroughness, and effectiveness
of China's response. Don't be fooled by our media's selective use of outbursts on Chinese social media. This may be seen as much
a triumph for China as a failure for its principal critic, the US. China's government was, and remains, the most trusted on earth.
The fact that ground zero of the Novel Coronavirus is Wuhan, home of China's newest and most sophisticated microbiology
laboratory, naturally casts a shadow of doubt over narratives minimizing the role of human agency in creating the new strain
of Coronavirus .
Ron Unz's comments, above, cast a much darker shadow, given America's track record of waging biological warfare on China, Cuba,
Clearly the Party initially failed the people by not intervening early and decisively enough after the first cases of
Coronavirus illness began to show up .
The Chinese Communist Party took half the time to intervene in this outbreak that the American Capitalist Party took to intervene
in the its home-brewed H1N1 outbreak. See the two timelines here:
https://youtu.be/rJiKxV4rTCQ , says: Show
March 9, 2020 at 4:42 am GMT
Dr Li Wenliang was NOT a whistleblower. He wrote to his private chat group about the re-emergence of SARS at 5:35pm on Dec
30 2019. However the health authority of Wuhan received the genetic report of the virus earlier the day, and released two official
announcements the same day afternoon to thousands of medical personnel. Dr Li was an eye doctor and probably saw the memo, and
wrote to his private chat group saying that it was SARS. He was reprimanded because the disease was still unknown at that time.
Two emergency notices issued on Dec 30:
– Emergency notice to all medical units about the emergence of a kind of pneumonia of unknown origin, get organized to
deal with it, administer aid immediately without passing on responsibility to other units with focus on strengthening breathing,
infection control, and other relevant medical disciplines. Report cases without delay.
– Emergency notice to all medical units to tabulate and report to us the cases of pneumonia of unknown origin that you encountered
this past week. , says: Show Comment
d dan March 9,
2020 at 5:34 am GMT
" Dr. Li who was reprimanded for refusing to go along with the CCP denial of the Novel Coronavirus's existence."
What a dumb author who still can manage to make two mistakes in half a sentence, even after so many rounds of clarifications
by so many people.
CCP did not deny the existence of COVID-19, they were investigating it at that time. And Dr Li was not reprimand for refusing
to go along, but was reprimanded because he was shouting fire in a crowded cinema, a type of speech that US Supreme Court won't
, says: Show
March 9, 2020 at 6:43 am GMT
I look at the treatment of Dr. Li who was reprimanded for refusing to go along with the CCP denial of the Novel Coronavirus's
existence. The attack on Dr. Li as a Chinese version of a "conspiracy theorist," when he was in fact a whistle blower, speaks
to me of similar patterns I perceive in the West. Dr. Li is a symbol of the assault on free expression on both China and the
You took no notice of Godfree Roberts clarification about Li's involvement, namely the fact that he was spreading a rumour
about which he had no authority or expertise to speak about when the medical competent bodies were still studying the nature of
the viral infections. He was wrong on both counts anyway: by spreading a rumour and that it was a false rumour. Besides, as far
as I remember the sequence of events, by the time the rumour started the medical authorities were about to, or in the cusp of,
making a public announcement about the virus.
Here is the fragment of his interview via WeChat (
Warned of Coronavirus. Here’s What He Told Us Before He Died. DatelineNews24:
On Dec. 31, when you told people in the WeChat group about the SARS-like virus, did you do so because you had seen
the high risk of human-to-human transmission?
I suspected that, and it’s always better to be cautious and take protective measures.
Why were you so suspicious at that point? Had you already received any news or heard anything?
Because there were already patients being treated under quarantine.
Was that at the end of December?
Were there other doctors who shared the information and reminded others to protect themselves from this mysterious pneumonia?
There were discussions among our colleagues.
What was everybody talking about? How did they evaluate the situation at that point?
It was that SARS might come back. We needed to be ready for it mentally. Take protective measures.
Looking back at what has happened, do you think the situation would be very different now if the Wuhan government hadn’t
stopped you from warning others and sharing the information? Do you think it would have been better if the information had been more
public and transparent, for the public and for doctors?
If the officials had disclosed information about the epidemic earlier, I think it would have been a lot better. There should be
more openness and transparency.
How did you feel when the police accused you of spreading rumors?
The police believed this virus was not confirmed to be SARS. They believed I was spreading rumors. They asked me to acknowledge
that I was at fault.
I felt I was being wronged, but I had to accept it. Obviously I had been acting out of good will. I felt very sad seeing so many
people losing their loved ones.
Neoliberal MSM, which are practically always are stock market cheerleaders, trying to derail Trump behaved horribly in this respect
spreading unsubstantiated rumors and fear (China fearmongering was especially pronounced and evil). Such rumors along with disruption
of long, created by neoliberal globalization supply chains and severe downturn in transportation (especially airlines) and tourist
(especially cruse ships) and hospitality sectors are accelerating economic downturn which many economists expected in late 2020 early
The threat of "Coronavirus recession"
In this sense Trump has a point when is called MSMS the coverage of Coronavirus epidemics a hoax (
campaign blasts media for 'massively dishonest' claim POTUS called coronavirus a 'hoax' Fox News). And Trump hit the nail in his
famous " Caronavirus" (innocent misspelling) twit: "
Low Ratings Fake News MSDNC (Comcast) & @CNN
are doing everything possible to make the Caronavirus look as bad as possible
The main danger is China slow down which affects global production chains and might create a snowball effect. But the slowdown was
just two month long. But as of March 1, 2020 China is back to over 80% of production. Still some unpleasant surprises are possible:
02/29/2020 at 4:24
If this virus shows up and hits hard in say Saudi Arabia and other oil producing nations the narrative will totally change.
It will go from just demand destruction from consuming nations to no supply coming out of producing nations.
If supplies chains seize up. For any extend amount of time 1-3 months. Things will get a whole lot more interesting than
they already are.
If the numbers being reported out of Iran are anywhere close to reality the middle east is in for a rocky ride as this
Frightened people often behave irrationally and that typically contributes to the economic downturn as well.
Not the US economy
was especially healthy before this event. In August, a survey of economists by the National Association for Business Economics
72% of analysts expected a US recession by the end of 2021. Of them 38% believed a recession will strike by the end of this year.
A UN report published in September similarly warned of a worldwide recession this year.
Here is some relevant information from WebMD (
Causes, Treatments, Types)
Editor's Note: For the latest updates on the 2020 coronavirus outbreak, see our
coronavirus is a kind of common virus that causes an infection
in your nose, sinuses, or upper throat. Most
coronaviruses aren't dangerous.
But In early 2020, after a December 2019 outbreak in China, the World Health Organization (WHO) identified a new type, 2019 novel
coronavirus (SARC-CoV-2), which can be fatal. The organization named the disease it causes COVID-19.
The outbreak quickly moved from China around the world. It spreads the same way other coronaviruses do: through person-to-person
Symptoms can show up anywhere from 2 to 14 days after exposure. Early on, they're a lot like the common cold. You might notice:
Shortness of breath
Infections range from mild to serious. The virus can turn deadly if it leads to pneumonia, respiratory failure, or septic shock.
Those most at risk of death are the elderly and people with weakened immune systems.
What Is a Coronavirus?
Coronaviruses were first identified in the 1960s, but we don't know where they come from. They get their name from their crown-like
shape. Sometimes, but not often, a coronavirus can infect both animals and humans.
Most coronaviruses spread the same way other cold-causing viruses do: through infected people
sneezing, by touching an infected
person's hands or face, or by touching things such as doorknobs that infected people have touched.
Almost everyone gets a coronavirus infection at least once in their life, most likely as a young child. In the United States,
coronaviruses are more common in the fall and winter, but anyone can come down with a coronavirus infection at any time.
Past severe coronavirus outbreaks include:
Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS): About 858 people have died from MERS, which first appeared in Saudi
Arabia and then in other countries in the Middle East, Africa, Asia, and Europe. In April 2014, the first American was hospitalized
for MERS in Indiana and another case was reported in Florida. Both had just returned from Saudi Arabia. In May 2015, there was
an outbreak of MERS in Korea, which was the largest outbreak outside of the Arabian Peninsula.
Respiratory Syndrome (
SARS ): In 2003, 774 people died from an outbreak. As of 2015, there were no further reports
of cases of SARS.
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Anatoly Karlin ( Mar 24, 2020 , www.unz.com ) 20200324 :
It appears that China (and Russia) are going to bail Serbia out with test kits ( Mar 24, 2020 , www.unz.com ) 20200324 :
2154 of the 3711 people on board the Diamond Princess were over 60 years of age; the crew numbered 1045, and these would tend to be younger and healthier so even if some were infected they should have recovered ( Mar 24, 2020 , www.unz.com ) 20200324 :
To many question about CDC behaviour and estimates ( Mar 24, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200324 :
Doctors Are Hoarding Unproven Coronavirus Medicine by Writing Prescriptions for Themselves and Their Families ( Mar 24, 2020 , www.propublica.org ) 20200324 :
Italian medics are doing military triaging and medical workers are about to collapse. ( Mar 24, 2020 , www.unz.com ) 20200324 :
#Coronavirus - Israeli Defense Minister Gives A Speech ( Mar 24, 2020 , www.youtube.com ) 20200324 :
When shown to be incompetent, US leadership lies. ( Mar 24, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200324 :
Hospitals, beds and ventilators in USA vs GB vs Italy ( Mar 24, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200324 :
We are headed into the unknown. Like the first stages of the collapse of the soviet union. ( Mar 24, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200324 :
I got the "flu" in November 2019 and I had the same symptoms as Coronavirus - I thought it was going to kill me ( Mar 24, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200324 :
Most humans were busy working and stay afoot to question what network TV the fishwraps told them about 911 or coronavirus. The level of detachment from reality due intensive tabloid indoctrination is simply amazing. ( Mar 24, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200324 :
An argument to be made that we are destroying economies and lives (and possibly killing far more people than Covid-19) in an hysterical over-reaction based on flawed modelling and sparse and unreliable data?... ( Mar 24, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200324 :
The White House is launching a communications plan across multiple federal agencies that focuses on accusing Beijing of orchestrating a "cover-up" and creating a global pandemic, according to two U.S. officials and a government cable obtained by The Daily Beast. ( Mar 24, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200324 :
Push back against virus fearmongering ( Mar 24, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200324 :
She is at a private hospital and this is at the public hospital. no medical staff working with this patient wore protective gear. ( Mar 24, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200324 :
A case story of two female 29 year old Chinese health workers, one survives, one dies. ( Mar 24, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200324 :
So why should people who already see a max of 5 persons a week be under house arrest? Masks are evidently a solution ( Mar 24, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200324 :
COVID-19 Symptoms Could Include Loss Of Smell And Taste ( Mar 24, 2020 , www.youtube.com ) 20200324 :
Jack Ma placed a message on Twitter regarding availability of a Handbook related to Coronavirus for medical workers and anyone else who is interested. ( Mar 24, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200324 :
NYT reports that loss of sense of smll night be an important symptom that you are infected with the corornovirus ( Mar 24, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200324 :
Half Of All Americans Have Been Ordered To 'Stay At Home' As More Countries Impose Mass Quarantines To Fight COVID-19 ( Mar 24, 2020 , www.zerohedge.com ) 20200324 :
The Coronavirus's Spread is the Federal Bureaucracy's Failure by ( Mar 24, 2020 , Matt Purple www.theamericanconservative.com ) 20200324 :
Trump wants to have America reopened following coronavirus shutdown 'by Easter' ( Mar 24, 2020 , www.rt.com ) 20200324 :
Trump owns hotels and casinos which will be devastated. that might explain his position on the virus and initial downplaying of the danger ( Mar 24, 2020 , www.unz.com ) 20200324 :
Many Italians in Northern Italy sold their leather goods and textiles companies to China. Italy then allowed 100,000 Chinese from Wuhan/Wenzhou to move to Italy to work in these factories, with direct Wuhan flights. Result: Northern Italy is Europe's hotspot for Wuhan Coronavirus ( Mar 24, 2020 , www.unz.com ) 20200324 :
Manufacturing in cheap Third World countries and rewarding the local compradors with a permission to migrate to the West as contributing factor to the coronavirus epidemic ( Mar 24, 2020 , www.unz.com ) 20200324 :
Exponencial growth of the virus is not susptainable ( Mar 24, 2020 , www.haaretz.com ) 20200324 :
On Coronavirus, Reason To Hope by ( Mar 23, 2020 , Rod Dreher www.theamericanconservative.com ) 20200324 :
The mainstream media is pushing the fear full stop ( Mar 24, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200324 :
A woman in Chicago has developed a new function for the bra, one half of bra can serve as a mask ( Mar 24, 2020 , www.youtube.com ) 20200324 :
Titillating advice ( Mar 24, 2020 , www.youtube.com )
20200324* https://news.yahoo.com/us-orders-first-shutdown-website-over-coronavirus-fraud-023738032.html ( Mar 22, 2020 , news.yahoo.com ) [Recommended] 20200324 :
Whenever these people decide on a narrative, they are loath to back down once they are proven wrong. They don't want to lose face. ( Mar 24, 2020 , www.unz.com ) 20200324 :
Actual morality reinforces social solidarity, which is why our neoliberal overlords have been attempting to destroy it for so long. ( Mar 24, 2020 , www.unz.com ) 20200324 :
The numbers for Italy have come down just a little bit more. Restrictions on the other hand have got even tighter, now only people who do essential work are allowed out of their homes. ( Mar 24, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200324 :
The virus itself is exaggerated, it is the social and political impacts of it that are worrisome. ( Mar 24, 2020 , www.unz.com ) 20200324 :
The Wuhan wet market theory, compelling story it may be, has been debunked ( Mar 24, 2020 , www.unz.com ) 20200324 :
The specific wet market in Wuhan is a seadfood market. It does not sell bats. ( Mar 24, 2020 , www.unz.com )
20200324* Joe Rogan Experience #1439 - Michael Osterholm ( Mar 24, 2020 , www.youtube.com ) [Recommended] 20200324 :
Super-spreaders - mostly young fools ignoring social distancing on beaches, in parks, restaurants etc - are now popping up, most recently returning from Florida spring break ( Mar 24, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200323 :
How the US is using "Chinese Virus" as a distraction from their own incompetence Asia Review ( Mar 23, 2020 , asia-review.com ) 20200323 :
The West was exposed, not only for not being able to handle a pandemic, but also for having a ponzi scheme economy. ( Mar 23, 2020 , www.unz.com ) 20200323 :
Life and Death under Liberalism by ( Mar 23, 2020 , Andrew Joyce www.unz.com ) 20200323 :
Credible insights into the Coronavirus by Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg ( Mar 15, 2020 , www.youtube.com ) 20200323 :
Way Past Time for Proper Perspective on Corona Virus by Larry C Johnson ( Mar 23, 2020 , turcopolier.typepad.com ) 20200323 :
"Strange pneumonia" circulating in Italy before Wuhan outbreak, leading Italian doctor says Asia Review ( Mar 23, 2020 , asia-review.com ) 20200323 :
No, China didn't cover up the Covid-19 outbreak An analysis – Asia Review ( Mar 23, 2020 , asia-review.com ) 20200323 :
The article that debunks the idea that the Chinese govt initially covered up the outbreak. That disinformation is propagated by the NYT and US media. ( Mar 23, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200323 :
a New York Times opinion piece, authored by a "writer, producer and yoga teacher" who apparently contracted the virus, and had to be hospitalized noting that it did not keep her (Fiona Lowenstein) from taking a "selfie", apparently with a non-sterile, yet-somehow-permitted-in-the-hospital room cell phone? ( Mar 23, 2020 , www.unz.com ) 20200323 :
Testing in some regions of the USA remains absolutely unavailable. Nursing homes are flatly denied testing ( Mar 23, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200323 :
Coronavirus NHS doctors feel like 'lambs to slaughter' without protective kit, warns senior medic by Lizzy Buchan ( Mar 23, 2020 , independent.co.uk ) 20200323 :
Some inventive modern ways to disinfect masks ( Mar 23, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200323 :
While the response might be overblown and MSM overly hysteric, neither virus or economic and social crisis it caused are fake ( Mar 23, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200323 :
Were Governor Andrew Cuomo's actions warranted by the level of threat? ( Mar 23, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200323 :
Looks like the virus further damage neoliberalism ( Mar 23, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200323 :
We need to be wary of cover-your-ass (CYA) propaganda narratives. ( Mar 23, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200323 :
Chronology of the death of a French doctor today ( Mar 23, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200323 :
Fake science: Dr. Dan Lee Dinke claims that breathing hot air in a sauna for 20 minutes will mostly clean the upper respiratory tract of corona-viruses ( Mar 23, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200323 :
Countries differ in thisr approaches to containing coronavirus epidemics ( Mar 23, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200323 :
Wuhan coronavirus death toll rises to 56 as healthcare workers say medical supplies are running out ( Jan 26, 2020 , cnnphilippines.com ) 20200323 :
Perspectives of using mRNA technology for a vaccine for the COVID-19 ( Mar 23, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200322 :
Lockdowns Not Enough to Defeat Coronavirus WHO's Ryan ( Mar 22, 2020 , www.usnews.com ) 20200322 :
Measures in Spain and France ( Mar 22, 2020 , medium.com ) 20200322 :
Those disbursements to wage earners are vital for the social cohesion to remain in place. I thought Tulsi Gabbard championing that minimum basic income strategy was essential as well. ( Mar 22, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200322 :
There didn't need to be a crisis or a panic. But a CRISIS! is something that is politically useful: to direct hate against China; to provide extraordinary support to favored interests like Banks and Wall Street and Boeing. ( Mar 22, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200322 :
Best Coronavirus Trump Statements Timeline Synopsis Ever Put Together ( Mar 22, 2020 , moneymaven.io ) 20200322 :
In essence, the misnamed "intelligence community" is a distillation of the gravest intellectual flaws in contemporary neoliberal academia ( Mar 22, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org )
20200322* Intelligence agencies and the virus ( Mar 22, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) [Recommended] 20200322 :
The soccer team Manchester United has opened up its hotel free of charge for medical staff, so that they can return from work to a neutral place rather than to their families and spread the bug further. ( Mar 22, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200322 :
No One Was Ready Europe's Desperate Doctors Use Trash Bags As Hazmat Suits ( Mar 22, 2020 , www.zerohedge.com ) 20200322 :
In 1918, anyone at the emergency hospital in Boston who had contact with patients had to wear an improvised face mask. ( Mar 22, 2020 , medium.com ) 20200322 :
Coronavirus and the Sun a Lesson from the 1918 Influenza Pandemic by ( Mar 10, 2020 , Richard Hobday medium.com ) 20200322 :
It seems that chloroquine and its use as a 'potent inhibitor of the coronavirus infection' has been known for a long time - since August 2005 ( Mar 22, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200322 :
A pretty good overview on the major avenues to attack nCOV/COVID-19 from a treatment perspective ( Mar 22, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org )
20200322* Mask piracy among neoliberal nations: Wonderful show of world-wide solidarity ( Mar 21, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) [Recommended] 20200322 :
Liberal NPCs Hate Russia, Conservative NPCs Hate China ( Mar 22, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200322 :
Coronavirus - On Western Government Failures And Possible Therapies ( Mar 22, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200322 :
Medics leave Wuhan after supporting the coronavirus-hit city ( Mar 22, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200322 :
Equivalent respirator standards by country ( Mar 22, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200322 :
Make your own face masks? ( Mar 22, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200322 :
WTO stance on Covid-19 propaganda and manipulation ( Mar 22, 2020 , www.voltairenet.org ) 20200321 :
In hard-hit areas, testing restricted to health care workers, hospital patients ( Mar 21, 2020 , www.washingtonpost.com ) 20200321 :
The New Dark Age ( Mar 21, 2020 , williambowles.info ) 20200321 :
Korea and Germany virus tests numbers vs the USA ( Mar 21, 2020 , caucus99percent.com ) 20200321 :
FEMA has been put in charge of COVID-19 ( Mar 21, 2020 , caucus99percent.com ) 20200321 :
Air pollituion as an important factor in this virus epidemic ( Mar 21, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200321 :
Vietnam is now requiring everyone to wear masks in public places. ( Mar 21, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org )
20200321* Tucker Senator Burr sold shares after virus briefing - YouTube ( Mar 21, 2020 , www.youtube.com ) [Recommended]
20200321* Don't forget our congress critter Senator Kelly Loeffler ( Mar 21, 2020 , caucus99percent.com ) [Recommended] 20200321 :
Coronavirus cases surge at nursing homes with at least 73 facilities in 22 states affected ( Mar 21, 2020 , www.washingtonpost.com ) 20200321 :
How neoliberalism treats workers in case of calamity ( Mar 21, 2020 , off-guardian.org ) 20200321 :
There is NO REASON to destroy your country because of this. NONE. Something else is in play. ( Mar 21, 2020 , thesaker.is ) 20200321 :
Coronavirus - A Laymans Update By Walrus ( Mar 21, 2020 , turcopolier.typepad.com ) 20200320 :
PA Governor has ordered the shutdown of all non-life-sustaining businesses, and he intends to enforce it with the State Police and other agencies starting Saturday. ( Mar 20, 2020 , www.unz.com ) 20200320 :
ProPublica reported on Thursday that republican Senator Burr sold off up to $1.56 million in stock on February 13th, as he was reassuring the public about coronavirus preparedness. ( Mar 20, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200320 :
This all reminds me of the movie 'Citizen Kane' ( Mar 20, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200320 :
Looking back on past pandemcs ( Mar 20, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200320 :
Somebody please inform Donald J. Trump that the virus probably originated ourside of China ( Mar 20, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200320 :
Pompeo myth that USA and the West were unprepared because China withheld information about the virus. ( Mar 20, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200320 :
The governments's reactions to COVID-19 can be explained by the fact that nowadays governments are mainly made up of incompetent empire-compatibles stooges of MIC. In the same way the empire gets away with bombing away poor people, those incompetents get away with evry single stupidity they commit. ( Mar 20, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200320 :
I vaguely recall the polio era. There was a fair amount of panic. I don't remember lockdowns or anything like that. Other than polio and tuberculosis, maybe epidemics were more accepted 60 years ago? ( Mar 20, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200320 :
Tucker Carlson and China bashing ( Mar 20, 2020 , www.unz.com ) 20200320 :
It used to be part of the American ethos, the idea that it's better to die on your feet than to live on your knees ( Mar 20, 2020 , www.unz.com ) 20200320 :
Some plausible scenarios of the origin of the coronavirus ( Mar 20, 2020 , www.unz.com ) 20200320 :
The Chinese have officially accused the US to have, at a minimum, covered up early Covid-19 infections that took place in America several weeks before the epidemic broke out in Wuhan. ( Mar 20, 2020 , www.unz.com ) 20200320 :
The virus and the Deep state ( Mar 20, 2020 , www.unz.com ) 20200320 :
No specific vulnerability of East Asians? ( Mar 20, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200320 :
Looks like COVID-19 is more contagious then evne Spalish flu ( Mar 20, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200320 :
Virus and air pollution ( Mar 20, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200319 :
A tidbit showing how serious Italy is about their lockdown ( Mar 19, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200319 :
Coronavirus Testing Source Data - Our World in Data ( Mar 19, 2020 , ourworldindata.org ) 20200319 :
The neoliberal imperial regime is not only brittle and riven through with corruption but run by talents selected in an anti-meritocratic way ( Mar 19, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200319 :
The best we can hope for is that the depth of this crisis will finally force countries -- the US, in particular -- to fix the yawning social inequities that make large swaths of their populations so intensely vulnerable. ( Mar 19, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200319 :
The only place place that has all five haplotypes is the US. ( Mar 19, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200319 :
Side effects of panic are not initially totally obvious ( Mar 19, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200319 :
British mob ransack food bank: ( Mar 19, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200319 :
US bad availability actually isn't bad: there are spots where 20% infection in 12 months is bad, but overall the US seems in decent shape ( Mar 19, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200319 :
All the funny videos about Chinese making masks out of women's bras, water bottles: not so funny now ( Mar 19, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200319 :
Chloroquine/hydrochloroquinine was determined to be effective for the treatment of the coronavirus by Chinese clinicians early in February, and the Chinese government announced this on February 17 this year. ( Mar 19, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200319 :
People have completely lost their minds here and that is due to decades of social engineering which has created a culture devoid of critical thinking skills and a frighteningly docile populace ( Mar 19, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200319 :
Drastic measures taken by governments and private institutions suggest that they view the coronavirus as a huge threat but the facts does not confirm that. That only logical explanation of such an overreaction is that they rightly or wrongly suspect that this is an artificially created virus that escaped labs ( Mar 19, 2020 , www.theamericanconservative.com ) 20200319 :
Do not fall for the barrage of fake news in the Western MSM about "promising cures, treatments and vaccines" coming from some alleged geniuses at some unicorn in some First World country: ( Mar 19, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200319 :
Virus and air quality ( Mar 19, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200319 :
SK doctors have been using the malaria/arthritis drug hydrochloroquine to treat patients with much success, now a doctor in France has found that a combination of that drug and a common antibiotic azithromycin has cured up to 70% of patients after 3 to 6 days ( Mar 19, 2020 , www.unz.com )
20200319* I look to the narrative we get in North America, irrespective of the topic, and the pattern is the same ( Mar 19, 2020 , www.unz.com ) [Recommended] 20200318 :
A stance not too removed from Dr Joel Kettner's ( Mar 18, 2020 , off-guardian.org ) 20200318 :
Panic is unwarranted: the n ( Mar 18, 2020 , www.statnews.com ) 20200317 :
This pandemic is demonstrating once again that the global neoliberal economy is a fragile Potemkin construct that breaks down at the slightest tension ( Mar 17, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200317 :
The tremendous stress of medical personnel in Italy ( Mar 17, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200317 :
Which objects to sanitize to avoid spreading the deadly disease ( Mar 17, 2020 , express.co.uk ) 20200317 :
In might make sense to wash you nose with saltwater. To gaggle you throat with the mouth wash. ( Mar 17, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200317 :
First of all, take a good care for the nasal mucosa and oropharyngeal area. ( Mar 17, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200317 :
Maryland governor announced unprecedented measures ( Mar 17, 2020 , www.zerohedge.com ) 20200317 :
Roche has started shipping tests to labs across the US. ( Mar 17, 2020 , www.zerohedge.com ) 20200317 :
I have strange sensations in my lungs, and even felt out of breath periodically. I just realizated that somewhere in January, a friend fell ill with a double pneumonia. She recovered, but she now has pulmonary fibrosis as a result of that episode. ( Mar 17, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200317 :
Panic Pandemic Why are people who should know better buying the Covid19 hype OffGuardian ( Mar 17, 2020 , off-guardian.org ) 20200317 :
COVID-19 vs. tuberculosis ( Mar 17, 2020 , off-guardian.org ) 20200317 :
Upper flyover country grocery store update for Monday ( Mar 17, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200317 :
Here are three most helpful and competent sources ( Mar 17, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200316 :
Coronavirus Testing Shortages Force Extreme Shift In Strategy By Local Health Officials ( Mar 16, 2020 , www.nakedcapitalism.com ) 20200316 :
Conswqunces of outsourcing the medical equipment and pharmaceutical supply chain to a different country are acutly felt during pandemic by ( Mar 16, 2020 , Jason Morgan www.theamericanconservative.com ) 20200316 :
'Grotesque Level of Greed' ( Mar 16, 2020 , www.nakedcapitalism.com ) 20200316 :
Did Trump administration seek exclusive vaccine deal with German biontech company? ( Mar 16, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200316 :
Senator Schumer wants at least $750 billion to combat coronavirus, help economy ( Mar 16, 2020 , www.reuters.com ) 20200316 :
One promising way to decrease chances of your infection via nose and throat this is salt water gargling and nasal rinses with the same. Also you can wear gloves when out ( Mar 16, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200316 :
The US will be offering free drive-up testing to practically everyone. I now believe the United States now has a better change at containing the pandemic than Europe. ( Mar 16, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200316 :
Had China locked down Wuhan just one day earlier, there might be much fewer cases to treat. This is the reality of exponential spread. ( Mar 16, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200316 :
After a panned national address on COVID-19, the president's on the ropes by Curt Mills ( Mar 16, 2020 , www.theamericanconservative.com ) 20200316 :
Trump s Coronavirus Control Failure by ( Mar 15, 2020 , Daniel Larison www.theamericanconservative.com ) 20200316 :
The Coronavirus Conundrum as interpreted by Average Joe. ( Mar 16, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200316 :
Dr. Fauci Says He's Open To National Shutdown, Warns Domestic Travel Ban Not Out Of The Question ( Mar 16, 2020 , www.zerohedge.com )
20200316* The USA now experience the period when the medical personnel became the most prominent victim of the authorities incompetence ( Mar 15, 2020 , angrybearblog.com ) [Recommended] 20200316 :
Covid-19 The Sun A Lesson From The 1918 Influenza Pandemic ( Mar 16, 2020 , www.zerohedge.com ) 20200316 :
Scott Humor's translation of the video provided by Saker of Russian pulmonary specialist, Dr Aleksandr Chuchalin ( Mar 16, 2020 , www.unz.com ) 20200315 :
Another Cruise Ship Is Stranded At Sea As 5 Passengers Crew Test Positive ( Mar 15, 2020 , www.zerohedge.com ) 20200315 :
Your country under neoliberalism: The CDC tested only 77 people this week for coronavirus. ( Mar 15, 2020 , www.counterpunch.org ) 20200315 :
Priorities of the top one percent are not priorities of the bottom ninety-nice percent ( Mar 15, 2020 , twitter.com ) 20200315 :
The Jack Ma Foundation has just donated 500,000 testing kits and 1 million masks to America. The Chinese have also sent aid to Italy. ( Mar 15, 2020 , www.nakedcapitalism.com ) 20200315 :
The Real Crisis Of neoliberalism Starts Now In Europe ( Mar 15, 2020 , tomluongo.me ) 20200315 :
Coronavirus update reason for alarm; (small) reason for hope ( Mar 15, 2020 , angrybearblog.com ) 20200315 :
How to treat Coronavirus infection COVID-19 ( Mar 15, 2020 , thesaker.is ) 20200315 :
The projections for NYC are sobering, to say the least ( Mar 15, 2020 , twitter.com ) 20200315 :
French Health Minister Warns Certain Drugs May Aggravate Coronavirus Infection ( Mar 15, 2020 , sputniknews.com ) 20200315 :
A Planet of Viruses Second Edition Zimmer, Carl 9780226294209 Amazon.com Books ( Mar 15, 2020 , www.amazon.com ) 20200315 :
According to Amazon's rankings, Camus' The Plague is now #7 in the Self-Help Psychology Humor category, which is an irony Camus himself probably couldn't have gotten away with ( Mar 15, 2020 , www.counterpunch.org ) 20200314 :
Of the 3500 people trapped on the first cruise ship - less than 20% got it. You can't get a better infection setup than having people breathing the same air with infected people, with another 1000 service people sharing a huge dorm with no walls and bringing food to everyone ( Mar 14, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200314 :
NY State has still apparently not completed tests for suspected people who don't have serious symptoms. NY City number confirmed cases up 50% today (to about 150). The current wave of panic shopping becomes another transmission point.... ( Mar 14, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200314 :
CDC completely botched testing: Nearly a week later, I still don't have the results ( Mar 14, 2020 , twitter.com ) 20200314 :
Seven things China has done right to battle coronavirus ( Mar 14, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200314 :
Here is a table showing the "doubling time" of the spread of the virus for various countries. ( Mar 14, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200314 :
Coronavirus Brand new problem, same old reaction ( Mar 14, 2020 , off-guardian.org ) 20200314 :
Stunning toilet paper feeding frenzy caught on camera - YouTube ( Mar 14, 2020 , www.youtube.com ) 20200314 :
We are forced to watch disaster porn ( Mar 14, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200314 :
The most primitive testing for coronavirus in an autopsy or living person is as easy as looking through a microscope and positively identifying the virus as they are present in large qualtities ( Mar 14, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org )
20200314* A little inspirational pep talk -- Coronavirus: Survival of the Richest! by Jonathan Pie ( Mar 14, 2020 , off-guardian.org ) [Recommended]
20200314* Honest Government Ad ( Mar 14, 2020 , youtu.be ) [Recommended] 20200314 :
Media hysteria does not correlates with actual development of the epidemic on board of cruise ships: the most cruel natural experiment possible ( Mar 14, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200314 :
Trump rightly announced a national emergency, marking a sharp shift in his approach to the greatest crisis of his presidency. by ( Mar 13, 2020 , Jacob Heilbrunn nationalinterest.org ) 20200314 :
Here's a useful infographic showing the Italian experience of COVID-19 ( Mar 14, 2020 , www.unz.com ) 20200314 :
Difficulties of imposition strict quarantine without banning air treval ( Mar 14, 2020 , www.unz.com ) 20200314 :
Italians are frightened and mostly they are following the goverment instructions ( Mar 14, 2020 , thesaker.is ) 20200314 :
US military intelligence came to the conclusion over a month ago that coronavirus cases would reach "pandemic proportions" domestically by the end of March. ( Mar 14, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200314 :
The Chinese media has been touting the narrative of quick recover, fast-track resumption of the economy since the epidemic started. ( Mar 14, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200314 :
Man Walks Out Of 'Quarantine Motel' Goes Shopping, Hops On Public Bus ( Mar 14, 2020 , www.zerohedge.com ) 20200314 :
H. L. Mencken about coronarovirus epidemic ( Mar 13, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200314 :
'It's hell in there:' NYC food stores mobbed amid coronavirus fears ( Mar 14, 2020 , nypost.com ) 20200314 :
Brawls Erupt As Americans Panic Hoard Supplies Amid Pandemic ( Mar 14, 2020 , www.zerohedge.com ) 20200314 :
First Masks, Then Purell, Now Americans Panic Hoard Immunity-Boosting Products Amid Pandemic ( Mar 14, 2020 , www.zerohedge.com ) 20200314 :
Some Americans are responding to this pandemic by completely "freaking out" ( Mar 14, 2020 , www.zerohedge.com ) 20200314 :
Neoliberal civilization depends on toilet paper it seems. Toilet paper is the bellwether commodity of our age ( Mar 14, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200313 :
all we have for COVID so far is diagnostic test ( Mar 13, 2020 , www.nakedcapitalism.com ) 20200313 :
Bureaucracy, equipment shortages, an unwillingness to share, and failed leadership doomed the American response to COVID-19 ( Mar 13, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200313 :
Is the whole ideo of Trump tax holiday is to speed up the privatization of SS and Medicare. Look! The deficit's growing bigger. ( Mar 13, 2020 , www.nakedcapitalism.com ) 20200313 :
Life in Rome by Robert Waldmann ( Mar 13, 2020 , angrybearblog.com ) 20200313 :
Did some running around the local Medical Industrial Complex this morning. What a difference a week makes. The attitude about the coronavirus is completely different from last week. ( Mar 13, 2020 , www.nakedcapitalism.com ) 20200313 :
In 2018, Trump fired the entire US pandemic response team. ( Mar 13, 2020 , www.nakedcapitalism.com ) 20200313 :
Supermarket forced to close as panic-buying shoppers leave shelves empty ( Mar 13, 2020 , www.msn.com ) 20200313 :
For all those people stocking up on mass quantities of food, grabbing all the jars of peanut butter etc. and not leaving me even one barrel of rolled oats, be sure to EAT IT. Do not let it go to waste ( Mar 13, 2020 , www.unz.com ) 20200313 :
Czech Prime Minister Andrej Babis called Merkel's remark "unhelpful" and said it could cause panic ( Mar 13, 2020 , www.theamericanconservative.com ) 20200313 :
Data about NYC epidemics are actually very encoraging ( Mar 13, 2020 , www.unz.com ) 20200313 :
Lifespan is not equal healthspan ( Mar 13, 2020 , www.unz.com ) 20200313 :
Like all the other viruses that have floated around over the years be this one is being hyped up ( Mar 13, 2020 , www.unz.com ) 20200313 :
MSM dirty dange around human mortality ( Mar 13, 2020 , www.unz.com ) 20200313 :
Steve Bannon is just using inflammatory language throughout, to diss the CCP ( Mar 13, 2020 , thesaker.is ) 20200313 :
I do not think the corona virus outbreak was deliberate. The first thing that people crafty enough to unleash this sort of thing would think of is blowback ( Mar 13, 2020 , thesaker.is ) 20200313 :
"CORONAVIRUSES HAVE ALWAYS INFECTED HUMANS, PANIC IS UNWARRANTED" ( Mar 13, 2020 , thesaker.is ) 20200313 :
Vaccine is on horizon ( Mar 13, 2020 , www.unz.com ) 20200313 :
Trump's Coronavirus Address, Blooper Reel Included The Daily Show - YouTube ( Mar 13, 2020 , www.youtube.com ) 20200312 :
Emergency Sick Leave Bill blocked from vote by Senate Republicans--Profit over People yet again. ( Mar 12, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200312 :
Neoliberalism in action in Italy: neo-liberal economic worship, all government bad, all private sector good, corruption good, banks worshipped as faultless guardians but actually kleptocrats. ( Mar 12, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200312 :
COVID-19 puts neoliberalism on its knee ( Mar 12, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200312 :
Experts warn flaws in US neoliberalized health system doom its readiness ( Mar 12, 2020 , www.rt.com ) 20200312 :
In there a shortage of some medicine or test kits in the USA, and the normal behavior of providers of medicines and other medical goods is extremely rapacious ( Mar 12, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200312 :
In Rochester, NY the national guard will help cleaning efforts and deliver food in the designated "containment area" in a one-mile (1.6 km) radius around the area where the contagion appears to have originated, until the lockdown is lifted on March 25 ( Mar 12, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200312 :
Joe Rogan interview today with Michael Osterholm is an internationally recognized expert in infectious disease epidemiology ( Mar 12, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200312 :
Korean government decided to designate call centers, clubs, gyms and other establishments frequented by large numbers of people as high-risk areas and mobilize more resources to quarantine them ( Mar 12, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200312 :
I know of a Miami emergency room tech who just finished a 72 hour shift, was given a 12 hour break who says they are overwhelmed and getting burned out. ( Mar 12, 2020 , turcopolier.typepad.com ) 20200312 :
New Jersey Confirms Community Spread Of Covid-19; Italy Closes All Stores Except Groceries Pharmacies ( Mar 12, 2020 , www.zerohedge.com ) 20200312 :
I'm not trying to minimise the impact, but my feeling is that it has more to do with the falling rate of profit than the number of sick people. ( Mar 12, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200312 :
Korean measures: the USA should follow the trail, not to try reinvent the bicycle ( Mar 12, 2020 , www.unz.com ) 20200312 :
Turn Up the Humidity in Your House ( Mar 12, 2020 , angrybearblog.com ) 20200312 :
The NYT now has a section of free coronavirus coverage ( Mar 12, 2020 , www.nytimes.com ) 20200312 :
Italy Closed; Wall Street Hosed; Trump Exposed ( Mar 12, 2020 , www.medpagetoday.com ) 20200312 :
Korean model is that grocery are ordered (online or phone?) and delivered to the door, increasingly, people pick the grocery without physical contact with delivery people ( Mar 12, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200312 :
Seventy percent of US citizens have hypertension which is No.2 risk factor for COVID-19 (just after cadiovascular desease). Heavy smokers another important risk group ( Mar 12, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200311 :
As of Sunday, 1,707 Americans had been tested for the novel coronavirus, according to the CDC. South Korea, by contrast, has tested more than 189,000 people. The two countries announced their first coronavirus cases on the same day. ( Mar 11, 2020 , turcopolier.typepad.com ) 20200311 :
Neoliberal USA in some respect looks like Nigeria with nukes ( Mar 11, 2020 , www.nakedcapitalism.com ) 20200311 :
Coronavirus Reveals the Cracks in Globalization ( Mar 11, 2020 , www.nakedcapitalism.com ) 20200311 :
Fatalism, neolibralism and the USA society ( Mar 11, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200311 :
Another big bonus is that the virus will primarily kill old people, which means that European governments can pay out less retirement pensions and welfare benefits in the future. Neoliberal economics is the big winner here. ( Mar 11, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200311 :
Experts warn flaws in US neoliberalized health system doom its readiness ( Mar 11, 2020 , www.rt.com ) 20200311 :
COVID-19 puts neoliberalism on its knee ( Mar 11, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200311 :
Six Quick Points About Coronavirus and Poverty in the US by Bill Quigley ( Mar 11, 2020 , dissidentvoice.org ) 20200311 :
Italy take drastic measures to slow down the spread of the virus ( Mar 11, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org )
20200311* Joe Rogan interview today with Michael Osterholm is an internationally recognized expert in infectious disease epidemiology ( Mar 11, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) [Recommended] 20200311 :
In Rochester, NY the national guard will help cleaning efforts and deliver food in the designated "containment area" in a one-mile (1.6 km) radius around the area where the contagion appears to have originated, until the lockdown is lifted on March 25 ( Mar 11, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200311 :
Friday prayers as a factor in Italian virus outbreak. The same can happen in the USA ( Mar 11, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200311 :
WHO has officially declared COVID 19 a pandemic. ( Mar 11, 2020 , turcopolier.typepad.com ) 20200311 :
USA is tracking Italy infection growth curve pretty well so far ( Mar 11, 2020 , turcopolier.typepad.com ) 20200311 :
Korean government decided to designate call centers, clubs, gyms and other establishments frequented by large numbers of people as high-risk areas and mobilize more resources to quarantine them ( Mar 11, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200311 :
Coronavirus Epidemic Update 34 US Cases Surge, Chloroquine Zinc Treatment Combo, Italy Lockdown ( Mar 10, 2020 , www.youtube.com ) 20200311 :
Interview with Michael Osterholm, internationally recognized expert in infectious disease epidemiology ( Mar 11, 2020 , turcopolier.typepad.com ) 20200311 :
Lancet article on COVID-19 for those interested in data instead of propaganda from politicos ( Mar 11, 2020 , www.thelancet.com ) 20200311 :
Self-isolation is important for people most vulnerable for COVID-19 ( Mar 11, 2020 , www.nakedcapitalism.com ) 20200311 :
By e-mail, from National Nurses United: ( Mar 11, 2020 , www.nakedcapitalism.com ) 20200311 :
Avoidance of couded places is now of paramount importance. Specialists suggested ramping up alternatives to face-to-face visits, tetemedicine, "car visits", telephone consultation hotlines. ( Mar 11, 2020 , www.nakedcapitalism.com ) 20200311 :
China approves Favilavir as first antiviral drug against ... ( Mar 11, 2020 , vuuzletvph.com ) 20200311 :
Does the sun kill the new coronavirus Expert explains ( Mar 11, 2020 , cntechpost.com ) 20200311 :
COVID-19 (Coronavirus Disease 19) - causes, symptoms, diagnosis, treatment, pathology ( Feb 14, 2020 , www.youtube.com ) 20200311 :
Corona Virus COVID-19 Experienced doctor's opinion ( Mar 04, 2020 , www.youtube.com ) 20200311 :
Coronavirus (COVID-19) What People With Asthma Need to Know ( Mar 11, 2020 , community.aafa.org ) 20200310 :
CDC statistics, like all statistics out of the US federal system, are not just useless, they are fictional. ( Mar 10, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200310 :
Mr. Market Loses It Over Coronavirus Risk Oil Tanks, S P Futures Trades Halted on Limit Down Overnight, Gold Jumps naked cap ( Mar 10, 2020 , www.nakedcapitalism.com ) 20200310 :
Since advent of neo-liberal economics and the fifty plus year assault on the government sector, they have a partisan employment service instead of classic bureaucracy ( Mar 10, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200310 :
Italian healthcare system vs the USa healthcare ( Mar 10, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200310 :
Should big corporations get another bailout then ( Mar 10, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200310 :
In certain European countries private hospitals are already deriving their Covid-19 cases to the public system ( Mar 10, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200310 :
Virus spread and umpaid sick leave ( Mar 10, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200310 :
Japan to punish reselling of masks for profit with year in prison, 1 million fine -- or both ( Mar 10, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200310 :
The USA is particularly poorly set up to cope with COVID-19 epidemics, thanks to our fragmented public health system and overpriced, privatized and less than comprehensive health care. That bad situation is made worse by the CDC being short on resources and hamstrung further by the Trump Administration's PR imperatives ( Mar 10, 2020 , www.nakedcapitalism.com ) 20200310 :
It is the overwhelming of ICUs and the whole health care system that makes the new virus much more deadly ( Mar 10, 2020 , turcopolier.typepad.com ) 20200310 :
How US counts the sick when CDC test kits are unreliable amd by-and-large unavailble? ( Mar 10, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200310 :
Think before spreading narratives based on outlier views from a few people, try to question yourself as to whether all you're doing is chasing your own confirmation bias, try to find and understand valid reasons why most knowledgeable people are not jumping to the same conclusions ( Mar 10, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200310 :
When a "name" gets attached to the regular flu season, panic increases exponentially ( Mar 10, 2020 , turcopolier.typepad.com ) 20200310 :
Lots of money to be made by hyping this though. When the market carnage is done with lots of buying opportunities for the rich. Former CDC director working at Merck sold off half her shares in January for millions. ( Mar 10, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200310 :
Analogy with measles ( Mar 10, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200310 :
Looks like COVID-19 does not like warmweather ( Mar 10, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org )
20200310* Soap is probably more effective against COVID-19 then hand sanitizer ( Mar 10, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) [Recommended] 20200310 :
Encapsulated viruses normally have a protein shell structure, like a geodesic dome, but the overlay this with some of the of the animal cell membrane as it exits the host cell. This is a phospholipid by-layer, so basically fatty. Hence hot water and and washing up liquid do exactly what they do on your greasy plates ( Mar 10, 2020 , turcopolier.typepad.com ) 20200310 :
Those virus that have lipid coats are rendered non-infectious when exposed to detergents (i.e. soaps) especially in warm water. ( Mar 10, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200310 :
The coronavirus that causes Covid-19 can linger in the air for at least 30 minutes and travel up to 4.5 metres further than the "safe distance" advised by health authorities around the world, according to a study by a team of Chinese government epidemiologists. ( Mar 10, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200310 :
Time honored recipe for hand or any utensil sanitizer in the absence of alternatives: 80 proof vodka ( Mar 10, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200310 :
Facebook and idiocy of population ( Mar 10, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200310 :
In order to become infected in warm/hot weather a higher virus load is necessary and the possibility for a mild or very mild infection is higher. ( Mar 10, 2020 , www.nakedcapitalism.com ) 20200310 :
The factors leading to a fatal lung infection: is either because the immune response is slow, and let the virus multiply too much in the lungs, or there are several infections occurring at the same time, and even if the immune system reaction time is normal, there are too much virus in the lungs after that time. ( Mar 10, 2020 , www.nakedcapitalism.com ) 20200310 :
The real story is how over a billion people fully believe the official narrative of the virus growth and how this huge portion of the population can now be coaxed to move in any direction by closely-knit groups controlling political and institutional power. ( Mar 10, 2020 , www.unz.com ) 20200310 :
Cautionary note about the claims of Francis Boyle ( Mar 10, 2020 , www.unz.com ) 20200310 :
On Friday, Macron urged the French to limit visits to elderly people, who are most vulnerable to a coronavirus infection. ( Mar 10, 2020 , www.nakedcapitalism.com ) 20200309 :
CDC proved to be incompetent ( Mar 07, 2020 , theamericanconservative.com ) 20200309 :
Lysenkoism at CDC and NIH ( Mar 06, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200309 :
Harsh words for the CDC ( Mar 08, 2020 , nymag.com ) 20200309 :
A Tale of Two Cities How Hong Kong Has Controlled its Coronavirus Outbreak, While New York City Scrambles ( Mar 09, 2020 , www.nakedcapitalism.com ) 20200309 :
The Coronavirus Debacle by Daniel Larison ( Mar 07, 2020 , www.theamericanconservative.com ) 20200309 :
The American CDC rejected the notion of replicating the WHO approved Coronavirus test, in favour of developing its own test resulting in a delayed launch date and continued lag in delivery. The CDC test is being billed at $1,200 ( Mar 09, 2020 , craigmurray.org.uk ) 20200309 :
How Coronavirus Spread From Patient Zero in Seattle ( Mar 09, 2020 , www.bloomberg.com ) 20200309 :
Cooperation, not hoarding is the key in overcoming any epidemics ( Mar 09, 2020 , blogs.scientificamerican.com ) 20200309 :
One day, Americans will fully understand , with horrible consequences, that not every single human transaction must revolve around making a few people obscenely rich ( Mar 09, 2020 , www.unz.com )
20200309* COVID-19 and the Working Class by Jack Rasmus ( Mar 09, 2020 , www.counterpunch.org ) [Recommended] 20200309 :
COVID-19 Reveals Trump's Planned Obsolescence by ( Mar 09, 2020 , JP Sottile www.counterpunch.org ) 20200309 :
Texas Sen. Ted Cruz will self-quarantine after CPAC interaction ( Mar 09, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200309 :
How many new coronarvirus cases have been confirmed in the U.S.? ( Mar 09, 2020 , www.thecut.com ) 20200309 :
President Trump's (and by extension, prayerful Vice President Pence's) incompetence and his self-serving, empathy-free approach to the coronavirus ( Mar 09, 2020 , www.counterpunch.org ) 20200309 :
What Are the Symptoms of a Coronavirus Infection ( Mar 09, 2020 , www.nytimes.com ) 20200309 :
Coronavirus Doc in Wuhan High Blood Pressure Is Major Death Risk ( Mar 09, 2020 , www.bloomberg.com ) 20200309 :
How did the virus come to the United States? ( Mar 09, 2020 , www.unz.com ) 20200309 :
MSM are selling coronavirus fears for good money ( Mar 09, 2020 , www.unz.com ) 20200309 :
Elon Musk Calls Coronavirus Panic 'Dumb' ( Mar 09, 2020 , dailycaller.com ) 20200309 :
Like Russian oligarchs on crossing the border Chinese's criminals escaping justice instantly became freedom fighters ( Mar 09, 2020 , www.unz.com ) 20200309 :
Since the death toll* has not been commensurate with the scare propaganda -- completely disproportionate -- something else seems to be behind the propaganda. ( Mar 09, 2020 , www.unz.com ) 20200309 :
Behaviour of mediccal personnel in Wuhan was exemplary. They demonstrated a lot of courage in a very difficult, fuzzy situation. Several young medics died. ( Mar 09, 2020 , www.unz.com ) 20200309 :
HIV-1 did not contribute to the 2019-nCoV genome ( Mar 09, 2020 , www.unz.com ) 20200309 :
Dr Li actual story is different from presented by MSM ( Mar 09, 2020 , www.unz.com ) 20200309 :
All the Devastating Epidemics That Coronavirus is Distracting Us From by ( Mar 06, 2020 , Tamara Pearson www.counterpunch.org ) 20200309 :
COVID-19 burst the asset price bubble. In a new low, Pompeo passes buck to Beijing ( Mar 09, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200309 :
Angry Bear " Covid-19 data ( Mar 09, 2020 , angrybearblog.com ) 20200309 :
If you're a vulnerable person, take it seriously, particularly when you have community spread ( Mar 09, 2020 , www.bloomberg.com ) 20200309 :
The Great Chinese Bat Flu Panic of 2020 Dissident Voice ( Mar 09, 2020 , dissidentvoice.org )
20200309* Momento Mori - Unpopular Thoughts on Corona Virus by Craig Murray ( Mar 09, 2020 , craigmurray.org.uk ) [Recommended] 20200309 :
The point is, that until it IS confirmed, it could be anything: pollution, lung infection, 'regular flu'.. well anything, but the media plaster it all over the world as if it HAS been confirmed. This surely, is irresponsible. ( Mar 09, 2020 , craigmurray.org.uk ) 20200309 :
The MSM coverage of COVID-19 epidemic is prurient, intrusive, unbalanced and designed to cause hysteria. ( Mar 09, 2020 , craigmurray.org.uk ) 20200309 :
Northern Italy under lockdown ( Mar 09, 2020 , www.worldometers.info ) 20200309 :
Simply 17 coronavirus jokes to help take the edge off (a little bit) The Poke ( Mar 09, 2020 , thepoke.co.uk ) 20200308 :
WHO should have told governments that cruises should be cancelled and people air-lifted, no? ( Mar 08, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200308 :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diamond_Princess_(ship) ( Mar 08, 2020 , en.wikipedia.org ) 20200308 :
Glaring bureaucratic incompetence ( Mar 08, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200308 :
Neoliberalism shows its ugly face during the COVID-19 epidemic ( Mar 08, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200308 :
Rich usually misbehave during the epidemic ( Mar 08, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200308 :
The working class and the rich Class distinctions exposed by response to Covid-19 pandemic ( Mar 08, 2020 , www.wsws.org ) 20200308 :
Washington State could see explosion in coronavirus cases, study says ( Mar 08, 2020 , www.statnews.com ) 20200308 :
Biden and Sanders are in this late sevetees and COVID-19 is a serious threat for both ( Mar 08, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200308 :
How big is asymptomatic population for COVID-19 ? Hubei data suggest that it might be very tiny indeed. ( Mar 08, 2020 , turcopolier.typepad.com ) 20200308 :
COVID-19 might function as neurotoxin: the death of infected animals or patients may be due to the dysfunction of the cardiorespiratory center in the brainstem. ( Mar 08, 2020 , turcopolier.typepad.com ) 20200308 :
AIPAC conference as COVID-19 infection spread vector ( Mar 08, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200308 :
China is testing five drugs and vaccine for COVID-19 ( Mar 08, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200308 :
Youtube video on how China has dealt with the virus epidemic ( Mar 08, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200308 :
The USA CDC became a tragic embarrassment when it comes to actually testing people for COVID-19 ( Mar 08, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200308 :
The only country so far with all five strains COVID-19 identified as present is the United States ( Mar 08, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200308 :
Looks like Italy has problmes containing the edpimics ( Mar 08, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200308 :
Taking China's numbers as the true numbers, we can easily come to the conclusion the numbers in the rest of the world are clearly underreported - both in infected rates and death rates. ( Mar 08, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200308 :
China bashing and the real origin of the virus ( Mar 08, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200308 :
China Bashing on Fox News challel ( Mar 08, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200308 :
Virus fearmongeing is exptemly profitable for big pharma ( Mar 08, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200308 :
The notion that the US itself had a major Coronavirus outbreak back in 2019 seems pretty implausible to me. ( Mar 08, 2020 , www.unz.com ) 20200307 :
In systems that recirculate air coronavirus could be spread by air-conditioning ( Mar 07, 2020 , dailymail.co.uk ) 20200307 :
Do not hoard masks/sanitisers. These are to be used rationally and more so by the frontline health workers. DO NOT PANIC! We need to collectively step up our hygiene and microbiological barrier as a society. Do not fall for quacks. ( Mar 07, 2020 , twitter.com ) 20200307 :
Test of coronavirus vaccine are expected to begin next month ( Mar 07, 2020 , dailymail.co.uk ) 20200307 :
First British COVID-17 pacient, who is 25 old, describes coronavirus ( Mar 07, 2020 , dailymail.co.uk ) 20200307 :
Diabetes greatly increases the risk of getting pneumonia with ordinary flus, and 9.4% of Americans have diabetes ( Mar 07, 2020 , www.nakedcapitalism.com ) 20200307 :
Covid19 pandemic: cause, prediction, prevention ( Mar 07, 2020 , slate.com ) 20200307 :
Silver lining in the dark cloud ( Mar 07, 2020 , www.nakedcapitalism.com )
20200307* The Neoliberal Plague by Rob Urie ( Mar 07, 2020 , www.counterpunch.org ) [Recommended] 20200307 :
Dr. Drew Pinsky Threat Of Coronavirus An Overblown Press-Created Hysteria Video ( Mar 07, 2020 , www.realclearpolitics.com ) 20200307 :
Trump's idea of "going to work" ( Mar 07, 2020 , www.theamericanconservative.com ) 20200307 :
COVID-19 will most likely become endemic, like colds and seasonal flu. ( Mar 07, 2020 , www.theamericanconservative.com ) 20200307 :
In Seattle the city administration has recommended that anyone over 60 should consider avoiding public places, particularly crowded ones. This isn t hysteria. In the face of the facts at the Life Care Center it s simple prudence. ( Mar 07, 2020 , www.theamericanconservative.com ) 20200307 :
About some exaggerated fears: And what if Covid-19 has been around for years and we just now became aware of it because of better testing? ( Mar 07, 2020 , www.theamericanconservative.com ) 20200307 :
Trump had chosen a dangerous path and might be buried by the virus epidemics ( Mar 07, 2020 , www.theamericanconservative.com ) 20200307 :
Coronavirus Crisis And Denial ( Mar 07, 2020 , www.theamericanconservative.com ) 20200307 :
Coronavirus Kids About as Likely as Adults to Become Infected; What Happens When School Closures Become Widespread naked ca ( Mar 07, 2020 , www.nakedcapitalism.com ) 20200307 :
Stealing sanitizer from clinics ( Mar 07, 2020 , www.theamericanconservative.com ) 20200307 :
Funny, I thought conservatives told us that empty shelves and sky-high black market prices only happen when socialists are in charge. ( Mar 07, 2020 , www.theamericanconservative.com ) 20200307 :
CDC Catch 22 ( Mar 07, 2020 , www.theamericanconservative.com ) 20200307 :
At least if we're all gonna die of coronavirus, there's no point in worrying about climate change ( Mar 07, 2020 , www.theamericanconservative.com ) 20200306 :
End of Trump? It really is a proper Greek tragedy. Trump won't be taken down by anyone in the media or on the left, but by his own mouth. ( Mar 06, 2020 , www.theamericanconservative.com ) 20200306 :
Coronavirus Kids About as Likely as Adults to Become Infected; What Happens When School Closures Become Widespread naked ca ( Mar 06, 2020 , www.nakedcapitalism.com ) 20200306 :
I just read a credible summary of the 1918 flu, and there were a series of waves, or possibly mutations, with it. Much of this history has been reconstructed forensically, given the lack of science at the time ( Mar 06, 2020 , www.nakedcapitalism.com ) 20200306 :
Estimates of mortality are always too high because a lot of mild and asymptomatic cases are not reported. ( Mar 06, 2020 , www.nakedcapitalism.com ) 20200306 :
Propaganda war: Pompeo Blames China For US Outbreak, Says Lack Of Transparency "Left Us Behind The Curve" ( Mar 06, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200306 :
The Potential Economic And Societal Impacts Of Covid-19 ( Mar 06, 2020 , www.zerohedge.com ) 20200306 :
It's better to get sick later ;-) ( Mar 06, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200306 :
Would the United States, faced with a similar challenge, do better than China? ( Feb 02, 2020 , www.nakedcapitalism.com ) 20200306 :
Coronavirus Cases by Country - 2020-03-05 ( Mar 06, 2020 , moneymaven.io ) 20200306 :
If you had at-least-moderate close-quarter dealings with a COVID19-infectee, your odds of getting it could well be less than 1 in 30. Obviously this would rise with very close-quarter, long-term contact ( Mar 06, 2020 , www.unz.com ) 20200305 :
Measles Cases Top Last Year's Total ( Mar 05, 2020 , science.slashdot.org ) 20200305 :
US Health Workers Responding To Coronavirus Lacked Training and Protective Gear ( Mar 05, 2020 , science.slashdot.org ) 20200304 :
Last numbers I find for the Diamond Princessa are 20 Feb wikipedia data: 3063 tested, 634 positives and 328 asymptomatic ( Mar 04, 2020 , www.nakedcapitalism.com ) 20200304 :
Diamond Princess Updates ( Feb 27, 2020 , www.princess.com ) 20200304 :
The Virus might originate outside of China ( Mar 04, 2020 , www.globalresearch.ca ) 20200304 :
Is it neoliberal treatment of labor helps to spear epidemics such as Coronarovitus? ( Mar 04, 2020 , www.nakedcapitalism.com ) 20200304 :
As the virus strikes mostly old and infirm and strikes then hard: isolation of pensioners should be considered in all infectiou areas as they stress the health system and contribute to shortages of the facilities ( Mar 04, 2020 , www.nakedcapitalism.com ) 20200304 :
PLA top epidemiologist-led team achieves breakthrough in COVID-19 vaccine R D: report ( Mar 04, 2020 , www.globaltimes.cn ) 20200304 :
Neoliberalism is powerful catalyst of flu infections ( Mar 04, 2020 , crookedtimber.org ) 20200304 :
Possible measures for people with weakened immune system ( Mar 04, 2020 , www.nakedcapitalism.com ) 20200304 :
The situation in Singapore ( Mar 04, 2020 , www.nakedcapitalism.com ) 20200304 :
Here is how the most powerful country in the world with a beautiful fabulous health care system is identifying and testing for coronavirus ( Mar 04, 2020 , www.nakedcapitalism.com ) 20200304 :
Russia is attacked by visious disinformation campaign by foreign sources spreading vicious rumors about virus epidemics ( Mar 04, 2020 , www.zerohedge.com ) 20200304 :
Looks like the number of cases of COVID-19 without overt symprom is negigble; Cases with mild symptoms are numerous and able to transmit the infection. Cases with mild symptoms are not always aware of their potential infectivity, and some people with mild symptoms have sought medical care, thereby infecting health care workers ( Mar 04, 2020 , www.nakedcapitalism.com ) 20200304 :
Mortality estimate based on South Korea data is around one percent ( Mar 04, 2020 , www.nakedcapitalism.com )
20200304* Why Are We Being Charged? Surprise Bills From Coronavirus Testing Spark Calls for Government to Cover All Costs by Jake Johnson ( Mar 03, 2020 , www.commondreams.org ) [Recommended]
20200304* Nowcasting COVID-19 for public health control: learning from the Chinese experience for global preparedness by Gabriel Leung ( Feb 27, 2020 , lshtm.ac.uk ) [Recommended] 20200304 :
Around 80% of cases are "mild". Mild means that they don't require hospitalization to recover. ( Mar 04, 2020 , www.nakedcapitalism.com ) 20200304 :
Italy Begins Nationwide Quarantine For Seniors As New York Reports 6th Case ( Mar 04, 2020 , www.zerohedge.com ) 20200304 :
"Smoking" is a prior condition that predisposes patients to more severe respiratory complications ( Mar 04, 2020 , www.nakedcapitalism.com ) 20200303 :
Availability of free tests is critical for containing the coronavirus epidemic ( Mar 03, 2020 , angrybearblog.com ) 20200303 :
COVID-19 Coronavirus A Fake Pandemic Who's Behind It Global Economic, Social and Geopolitical Destabilization by ( Mar 03, 2020 , Prof Michel Chossudovsky www.globalresearch.ca ) 20200303 :
The Italian government recommendations for Coronavirus epidemic ( Mar 03, 2020 , www.zerohedge.com ) 20200303 :
We're science educators at Harvard, and we want to help you understand the coronavirus and where it came from. ( Mar 03, 2020 , www.reddit.com ) 20200303 :
Fighting panic and fearmongering ( Mar 03, 2020 , angrybearblog.com )
20200303* Coronavirus hype vs reality ( Mar 03, 2020 , angrybearblog.com ) [Recommended] 20200303 :
Characteristics of and Important Lessons From the Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) Outbreak in China ( Mar 03, 2020 , jamanetwork.com ) 20200303 :
Panic in the USA already started with the population buying masks, isopropyl alcohol and hand sanitizers as if there no tomorrow. Shelves are now empty. ( Mar 03, 2020 , angrybearblog.com ) 20200303 :
U.S. Surgeon General asks people not to buy masks ( Mar 03, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200303 :
Here's a video made by a Russian, but dubbed into English, which films what's actually going on in China ( Mar 03, 2020 , www.moonofalabama.org ) 20200303 :
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S , Apr 2 2020 16:23 utc |
et al. (March 30, 2020) have estimated the (adjusted) case fatality ratio, infection
fatality ratio, and proportion of infections requiring hospitalization:
Crude Adjusted Hospitalization
CFR (%) CFR (%) IFR (%) Rate (%)
0-9 0.000 0.00260 0.00161 0.00
10-19 0.182 0.0148 0.00695 0.0408
20-29 0.193 0.0600 0.0309 1.04
30-39 0.237 0.146 0.0844 3.43
40-49 0.443 0.295 0.161 4.25
50-59 1.30 1.25 0.595 8.16
60-69 3.60 3.99 1.93 11.8
70-79 7.96 8.61 4.28 16.6
80+ 14.8 13.4 7.80 18.4
Total 2.29 1.38 0.657
Luc GUTHRIE , Apr 3 2020 15:13 utc |
Message from France :
First premise: This year, the percentage of influenza patients in relation to the total
population is the same as in previous years.
Second premise: In previous years, seasonal influenza had a percentage of certain
coronaviruses. This year the percentage is similar.
Third premise: The percentage of deaths among people who are infected is no different from
Fourth premise: The media falsifies the percentage of deaths among those who are infected.
The only serious study concerning the real mortality in the country where according to the
media there are the most deaths (Italy) is the one carried out by the Italian Ministry of
Health. It reveals that it is not 12% but 1.2% of sick patients, which corresponds to the
usual mortality of influenza.
Fifth premise: this study reveals that the average age of the deceased is 80 years.
Additional information: The percentage of deaths by Covid19 in the USA is 17.8 per million
citizens, which corresponds to the usual percentage of seasonal influenza.
Be careful, don't be an accomplice in the panic they want to create: This is essentially a
media attack to disguise the economic meltdown they've created.
Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)
DFC , Apr 2 2020 22:11 utc |
Today 4-3-20, Covid is the third cause of death in USA, with around 1.100 deaths per day is
only behind heart disease (1.774/day) and cancer (1.641/day), but in two weeks is expected to
be clearly the leading cause of death in USA as it is now in Italy and Spain. It is a matter
of when start to decrease the number of deaths to see if will be, or not, the leading cause
of deaths in absolute terms (I expected and I think it will not)
A lot of people are still saying it is a hoax, I think they will continue saying this even
if connected to a ventilator (/sarc)
PokeTheTruth , Apr 2 2020 23:57 utc |
Richard Steven Hack @129
" The difference between this virus and most previous viruses is that they
required one to have a fever, i.e., symptoms, before being contagious. This one does not for
at least one to two days before symptoms appear. So we know it's possible to be asymptomatic
for at least one to two days and still be contagious."
Asymptomatic means no symptoms i.e., no sneezing, coughing or postnasal drip.
As far as transmission by sputum (spitting) or other secretions, I think that is a such a
rare occurrence that it is too infinitesimal to statistically count. I mean come on, how many
times have you touched someone's spit? Kissing is not known to spread the disease from an
asymptomatic carrier either.
The other observations that suggest presymptomatic transmission of infection (meaning no
symptoms) cannot be confirmed because it is unknown if the disease was present and active on
surfaces before the subjects came in contact with it and with each other.
The disease is spread by sending a plume into the air as a result of a cough, sneeze or
postnasal drip. A person comes in contact with the virus by being in the vicinity of the
plume or when the virus falls on a surface and a person touches it and then somewhere on
their body that allows entry (eyes, nasal passages or mouth.)
Please provide a reference that says an asymptomatic person is contagious. If you are
referring to the article published in the
NEJM (New England Journal of Medicine), that
turned out to be flawed as the women did display symptoms when she returned to Germany.
That was one of the worst decisions Trump administration made. Now they change their stance. Better later then never...
"... Part of the reason was to preserve medical-grade masks for health care workers who desperately need them at a time when they are in continuously short supply. ..."
The C.D.C. has
recommended that all Americans wear cloth masks if they go out in public. This is a shift
in federal guidance reflecting
new concerns that the coronavirus is being spread by infected people who have no symptoms .
Until now, the C.D.C., like the W.H.O., has advised that ordinary people don't need to wear
masks unless they are sick and coughing.
Part of the reason was to preserve medical-grade masks
for health care workers who desperately need them at a time when they are in continuously short
Masks don't replace hand washing and social distancing.
Of them, about 700 (20%) got ill (i.e. – 80% were immune from the get), and of those,
about 9 died (0.25%), all over 70 (probably no younger dead because the young and very sick don't
go on cruises).
, says: Show
Comment NPleeze April 3, 2020 at 3:14 pm
we examine fatality rate which is number of fatalities/ number of carriers
Nobody has examined that except in one case: the Diamond Princess. Diamond Princess is the
only situation were a scientifically valid sample size (3,711 persons, of varying ages and
ethnicities though it had a far larger population of people over 60 than the general
population), who were all exposed to this virus, were tested. Of them, about 700 (20%) got
ill (i.e. – 80% were immune from the get), and of those, about 9 died (0.25%), all over
70 (probably no younger dead because the young and very sick don't go on cruises).
Since these people (passengers and crew) were stuck on this sick in tiny cabins and
central air with the virus for 6 weeks (and 27 days after departure, the authorities found
virus all over the ship, including in cabins of asymptomatic passengers), this essentially
places an upper bound on the infection and death rates.
Nobody mentions this best available evidence precisely because it is by far the best
available evidence, but it does not point to the "horror show" narrative being pushed by the
Rulers, who prefer to exploit this manufactured (by them) crisis to their advantage.
Nowhere else has there been anything remotely similar in terms of comprehensive testing of
a population (every person on the ship was tested), nor a case where it is reasonably known
that everyone had been exposed.
Blue Dotterel , Apr 3 2020 19:26 utc |
The real problem may eventually be can we prevent the deaths and destruction caused by the
corporate neoliberal virus.
We can deal with Covid 19.
For china it was really stressful situation
It's likened to a scene from an apocalypse. Wuhan -- a city more populous than London or New
York -- placed in 'lockdown' following the outbreak of the new and deadly coronavirus.
Jones 2 days
I started crying seeing those hospital workers who were so overwhelmed they began
screaming in pain. This is so heart wrenching 💔
, Its really M 1
Anyone operating a Wild animal vendor at an open market should be arrested and penalized
so severely they STOP 🛑 or this WILL happen again
, Falcuun 1 day
"It's like locking the entire population of Italy and telling them they can't leave" What
While dated March 8, this alarmist documentary provides interesting opinion of Hong Kong
based professor who is expert in SARC. He suspect that that up to 60^ of population can be
You can ignore fearmongering, but it is interesting to see that there were free handout of
masks and sanitizer. In Hong Kong, not in the USA.
http://9Soci.al/chmP50wA97J Full Episodes here
http://9Soci.al/sImy50wNiXL | World of Pain (2020)
The predictions about the coronavirus catastrophe grow more ominous by the day, and despite
the best efforts of countries like Australia in
A User , Apr 3 2020 22:36 utc |
There is still confusion between what is a mask & what is a respirator -basically a mask
will protect others from your sputum & a respirator protects yourself from others.
I discovered a site N95 vs
FFP3 & FFP2 masks – what's the difference? which explains the different masks
& respirators and most importantly what the standards are. eg n95 amerika = KN95 China.
As well as explaining the problems of valved devices versus unvalved etc.
It is clear layman style stuff free of dense bullshit, read it if you want to understand this
Grieved , Apr 4 2020 3:24 utc |
I haven't seen this specifically mentioned so I'll offer it. My local newspaper of all
things, published an editorial today calling for more people in our community to "mask up".
It included this wonderful phrase that captures the true social dynamic and the logic of the
"I'll wear a mask to protect you, and you wear a mask to protect me."
What's nice about this social compact is that it costs almost nothing, is in plentiful,
makeshift supply (we're including bandanas and scarves - anything), and surely must do more
good than harm, no matter how real or unreal the danger is, nor how prone to mishap or not
the wearing of a mask is.
Such a compact surely must be a social good. If only there had been masks in the US - or
leadership willing to plunge humble and naked into the realities of the situation and learn
from Asia so we could all start making our own masks - then perhaps the US would not have had
to do the most stupid thing possible to its lean productive economy, namely, shutting down
the entire entrepreneur class of the country and throwing their employees into hazard and
Given that there was no safety net, and never was going to be despite the talk of the
first few days, it could have saved countless deaths from poverty if the people if the US had
learned the new social rules, including mask and physical distance etiquette immediately, and
kept many of the businesses open instead of driving them to bankruptcy.
So the US is very late to the party, and will pay the price, but now the people who
survive must learn how to live in the new normal. Masking-up in public seems the least
impactful of all responses.
A User , Apr 3 2020 22:56 utc |
re b's comment :
"The HEPA filter catches particles down to 0.3 micrometer. Viruses are
some 125 nanometer in diameter so they are smaller and could slip through. " .
That isn't strictly correct, there is a solid reason for the 0.3 micrometer limit related to
Brownian motion,as I learned after reading a piece from the link I posted above - to wit:
The reason for the focus on 0.3 microns is because it is the "most penetrating particle
size" (MPPS). Particles above this size move in ways we might anticipate, and will get
trapped in a filter with gaps smaller than the particle size. Particles smaller than 0.3
microns exhibit what's called brownian motion – which makes them easier to filter.
Brownian motion refers to a phenomenon whereby the particle's mass is small enough that it
no longer travels unimpeded through the air. Instead it interacts with the molecules in the
air (nitrogen, oxygen, etc), causing it to pinball between them, moving in an erratic
According to researchers this point between "normal" motion and brownian motion is the
hardest particle size for filters to capture.
What we can take away from this, is that high filter efficiency at 0.3 micron size will
generally translate to high filter efficiency below this size also.
Stonebird , Apr 3 2020 20:22 utc |
juliania | Apr 3 2020 19:06 utc | 13
Immunity can also be obtained naturally rather than by "vaccine".
You can ask your doctor for a strong Vitamin D supplement and probably buy them elswhere. The
simplest is to go out in the same beautiful sunshine as we are now having in Europe.
vitamin D deficiency is common in the winter, and activated vitamin D, a steroid
hormone, has profound effects on human immunity. D acts as an immune system modulator,
preventing excessive expression of inflammatory cytokines and increasing the
'oxidative burst' potential of macrophages. Perhaps most importantly, it dramatically
stimulates the expression of potent anti-microbial peptides, which exist in neutrophils,
monocytes, natural killer cells, and in epithelial cells lining the respiratory tract where
they play a major role in protecting the lung from infection.
. . . . .
For information; one group that suffered from Vitamin D deficiency was Saudi Arabian
women. Their Abbayas (full head covering with no eyes visible, right down to the toes. Maybe
not the correct spelling of abbaya) did not let in the sun. So .....
Even face "masks" were not very efficient at "letting the sun shine in". However, the abbayas
had one advantage; that was women suffered less from trachoma, an illness that is provoked by
rubbing the eyes regularly (irritated because of the sand). The eye flips inward permanently,
leaving only the white of the eye showing. ie. Blindness.
Personally my doctor prescribes a 200'000 UI D dose (drinkable) to be taken twice a year
in November/December and February. Which I naturally took just before the Coronavirus hit
Passer by , Apr 3 2020 19:48 utc |
Surgical masks are pretty good at stopping bacteria and larger droplets, but not aerosols
(small particles). They also have lower quality fit, just like ordinary masks too.
Surgical masks are very good for blocking you own droplet emissions.
Simply use N99 respitator or FFP 3 respirator (EU standard).
Blocks 99 % of small particles, including virus transporting ones. It is used by medical
personnel who handle corona and other viruses.
Use 30 minutes at 70 C in oven with the respirator put in a paper bag over put over
something wooden in the oven. This method can be used for up to 20 times with minimal damage
to the respirator filtration capacity, according to several studies. Another good method is
putting it in commercial steam bag used for sterilisation of baby items for 3 minutes in a
microwave oven, metal presence should not be a problem according to the study because the
metal gets coated by the steam. This method can be used up to 10 times with minimal loss to
the quality of the respirator. It is good for surgical masks too. Also use eye protection and
gloves. These simple methods are good and some hospitals started using them.
Another way is 7 to 10 days keeping the mask in dry bag with acces to air, that
significantly decreases viral load for most viruses. During this time use another
For homemade masks these methods should be good too.
Methods that decrease respirator quality are spirt based solutions, bleach based
solutions, and longer exposure to steam. UVGI light and Hydrogen peroxide bath are also are
relatively good methods for disinfection of masks.
Importantly do not touch the respirator's main surface with your fingers, secure a good
fit, and always clean hands before and after handling the respirator.
Combine respirator mask with eye protection, raincoat and gloves. Put the raincoat and any
new item you bring into the home for 3 days quarantine in some special room.
Stay away from people at minimum 7 meters, especially from those who don't have masks.
Use ethanol to clean your gloves before and after you visited a store.
For disinfection purposes ethanol is good, it kills 100 % of viruses and bacteria. Ethanol
is used by russian Covid 19 disinfection teams in Italy for surface disinfection.
, Apr 3 2020 20:10 utc
Simply use N99 respitator or FFP 3 respirator (EU standard).
Blocks 99 % of small particles, including virus transporting ones. It is used by medical
personnel who handle corona and other viruses.
1. None of such mask are currently available.
2. Even for hospital staff N95 aka FFP2 is sufficient to protect against SARS-CoV-19.
3. It is already very hard to wear and breathe through a N95 mask for a longer time. N99
masks are even worse!
4. The N99 masks have exhalatation valves which let the air from the person who wears it flow
out freely. That defeats the current purpose of #MaskUp which is to protect from unknown
I have trained for chemical warfare in the military. Wearing a tight mask with a filter
(FFP3) system while moving around is physically very tiring after even an hour or so. You
don't select a mask that is more difficult to breathe with than actually required.
"... Infections from asymptomatic cases have an R 0 of 0.1 or 4% of all new infections. ..."
"... More new infections are created during the three pre-symptomatic days the virus carrier runs around then during the symptomatic one. ..."
"... Washing ones hands helps but environmental infections happen only in 10% of all new infections. The pre-symptomatic carriers are, without knowing it, the biggest spreader of the disease. Millions of the many billions of viruses that get created in their throat can attach to tiny water droplets or aerosols while a person breathes, speaks or coughs. ..."
Dors , Apr 3 2020 19:05 utc |
replicate in significant numbers (billions per mililiter) on day 2 after the infection. The
virus first replicates in the upper throat and the infected person starts to spread it to
others simply by breathing, talking or coughing. Only on day 5 the infected person starts to
develop first symptoms. The virus migrates into the lower lung and replicates there. The
virus load in the upper throat will then start to decline. The immune system intervenes and
defeats the virus but also causes additional lung damage which can kill people who have
already other preexisting conditions .
(Interestingly smokers seem not to develop a cytokine storms during a Covid
infection and are thereby less prone to end up in the ICU.) On day 10 only few viruses will
be found in the upper throat and the person will generally no longer be infectious.
The typical hospitalization point in China was only on day 9 to 12 after the onset of
symptoms. At that point a test by swabs is nearly useless as the infected person will
normally no longer have significant numbers of the virus in the upper throat. Reports of
"defective tests from China" were likely caused by a lack of knowledge about this phenomenon.
The diagnose in these later cases should be done by a CT scan which will show the lung
We do know
since late January that people can transmit the virus even when they have not yet
developed symptoms. An open question was how many of new infections happen during this
Science study investigated how many infections were created by each of four
infection phases or types:
pre-symptomatic - new infections come from an infected person who has not yet developed
symptoms but will do so later
symptomatic - new infections come from an infected person who has already developed
environmental - new infections comes from some environmental contact with the
asymptomatic - new infections come from a person that will never develop any
The study says that R
0 for pre-symptomatic infections is 0.9 or 46% of all new
infections. Infections from a symptomatic persons happen with an R 0 of 0.8 which
is equal to 40% of all new infections. Environmental infections have an R 0 of 0.2
or 10% of all new infections. Infections from asymptomatic cases have an R 0
of 0.1 or 4% of all new infections.
More new infections are created during the three pre-symptomatic days the virus
carrier runs around then during the symptomatic one.
Washing ones hands helps but environmental infections happen only in 10% of all new
infections. The pre-symptomatic carriers are, without knowing it, the biggest spreader of the
disease. Millions of the many billions of viruses that get created in their throat can attach
to tiny water droplets or aerosols while a person breathes, speaks or coughs.
Such spreading can be prevented when everyone wears a mask. A different new study shows
that masks are very effective. Published in
Nature the study is titled:
virus shedding in exhaled breath and efficacy of face masks .
The graphic (here cut off for only corona viruses) shows how masks can keep away your
droplets from the people you meet and talk to.
If the carrier of a virus wears a mask the spreading of viruses due to speaking, coughing
or even breathing goes basically down to zero.
But a mask does not only protect the carrier of the viruses. While homemade or even
professional surgical mask do not protect the wearer from all particles they do protect one
much better from them than when one wears no mask at all.
A person rarely gets infected by just one virus particle. They come in millions attached
to tiny droplets. We do not know yet how the dose of the novel coronavirus that infects a
person affects the intensity of the disease. But we do know from other viruses that the dose
matters. People who catch a higher dose of viruses will usually have a more intense disease.
A mask can lower the virus load the wearer may receive.
improvise a mask from simple household objects. One can sew a mask like a surgeon
does in this video .
This is my preferred model which is officially recommended by German fire departments.
(The pdf is in German but the pictures tell the story). This is the mask I made by following
It is made of a folded sheet cut from a triangular arm-sling out of an old first-aid kit.
A HEPA microfilter (as used in a vacuum cleaners) is in between the folded sheet. A piece cut
from a clean bag for vacuum cleaners will do as well. Do not use a sheet or insert that is
too tight to breathe through. If one does that the air will come in from the sides of the
mask and the total protection effect will be less. It can be arduous to breathe through such
a mask. If you have breathing problems leave the insert out. The sheets alone are already
good protection. There is a piece of wire from a big paper clip fixed inside the middle of
the upper seam to fit the mask tightly around the upper nose. The lower part goes under the
chin. I shaved my beard to make it a tighter fit. As I had no sewing equipment I used a
stapler to fix the seams and the ribbons.
HEPA filter catches
particles down to 0.3 micrometer. Viruses are some 125 nanometer in diameter so they are
smaller and could slip through. But the viruses are attached to some droplet that are bigger.
HEPA filter are essentially labyrinths of small fiber and the viruses would have to bounce
multiple times to get through. Finally the dose also matters.
To clean the mask of potential viruses I put it into the oven for 30 minutes at 70C
The science says that masks work. Everyone should use one. #MaskUp!
Here some additional links which might be of interest.
So far, to the frustration of both the White House and the intelligence community, the
agencies have been unable to glean more accurate numbers through their collection efforts.
That's because the Chinese numbers are Since none of us is an expert or eminently knowledgeable on
this topic, for the sake of sharing information to develop our views here is data that
as correct as they can get
Emerging Infectious Diseases journal, Volume 26, Number 6—June 2020
Research Letter : Serial Interval of COVID-19 among Publicly Reported Confirmed Cases
Abstract. We estimate the distribution of serial intervals for 468 confirmed cases of 2019
novel coronavirus disease reported in China as of February 8, 2020. The mean interval was
3.96 days (95% CI 3.53–4.39 days), SD 4.75 days (95% CI 4.46–5.07 days);
12.6% of case reports indicated presymptomatic transmission .
There was another study suggesting that many infection do not go beyond mild common cold,
with a conjecture that with small initial number of viruses the organism, T-cells in the mouth
and throat etc. learn to eliminate viruses in time to prevent severe lung infection. Thus gives
value to masks that are not 100% effective.
You can will mark my mask for each day of the week and rely on the fact that after paper or
fabric is completely dry ythe virus fdies in 72 hours.
Allen , Apr 3 2020 21:33 utc |
The World Health Organization released a study on how China responded to COVID-19. Currently,
this study is one of the most exhaustive pieces published on how the virus spreads.
The results of their research show that COVID-19 doesn't spread as easily as first
The majority of viral infections come from prolonged exposures in confined spaces with
other infected individuals. Person-to-person and surface contact is by far the most common
cause. From the WHO report, "When a cluster of several infected people occurred in China, it
was most often (78-85%) caused by an infection within the family by droplets and other
carriers of infection in close contact with an infected person.
Routes of transmission
COVID-19 is transmitted via droplets and fomites during close unprotected contact
between an infector and infectee. Airborne spread has not been reported for COVID-19 and it
is not believed to be a major driver of transmission based on available evidence; however, it
can be envisaged if certain aerosol-generating procedures are conducted in health care
In China, human-to-human transmission of the COVID-19 virus is largely occurring in
families. The Joint Mission received detailed information from the investigation of clusters
and some household transmission studies, which are ongoing in a number of Provinces. Among
344 clusters involving 1308 cases (out of a total 1836 cases reported) in Guangdong Province
and Sichuan Province, most clusters (78%-85%) have occurred in families. Household
transmission studies are currently underway, but preliminary studies ongoing in Guangdong
estimate the secondary attack rate in households ranges from 3-10%.
Full Reprt Here:
Piotr Berman , Apr 3 2020 21:35 utc |
The coefficient from the simulation are selected to match observed infections and they are
not "facts" but useful guidelines. The bottom line is that the infection happen in some
proportion, a large part from asymptomatic people. There was another study suggesting that
many infection do not go beyond mild common cold, with a conjecture that with small initial
number of viruses the organism, T-cells in the mouth and throat etc. learn to eliminate
viruses in time to prevent severe lung infection. Thus gives value to masks that are not 100%
Surely, the actual infection rate depends on the customs in a particular area. Oriental
people are not in habit of kissing, embracing, clasping hands etc., plus they are quick to
wear masks. Mediterranean people, which may include Iran, embrace, clasp hands and even kiss
(I assume that Muslim would greet only people of the same gender in that way). Masks are not
a habit. Crowded subway, buses etc. involve a lot of very close contacts, which may be OK if
EVERYONE has a decent mask.
I guess I will mark my mask for each day of the week and rely on the fact that after paper
or fabric is completely dry, viruses die (cease to become viable) within hours, so one does
not have to rush the drying process by special heating. On the other hand, one could try to
gently dry in the cloth drier in a bag for female underwear. We do not damage viruses by heat
but by the lack of moisture. Masks seems to be limited.
Richard Steven Hack , Apr 3 2020 22:35 utc |
@Passer by | Apr 3 2020 19:48 utc | 22
Excellent advice. This is what I've gleaned as well from some of the articles I've posted
here in earlier threads.
This article gives more detailed advice although it seems to require a fair amount of
Covid-19 Pandemic: Face Mask Disinfection & Sterilization for Viruses
These are the reuse recommendations I'll be following, from Dr. Peter Tsai, the inventor
of the filtration fabric in the N95 mask:
N95 Re-Use Instructions (Updated as of April 3, 2020)
I intend to follow the advice of rotating masks - once I have masks. It's likely that four
days would be sufficient to dry out any droplets or aerosols and inactivate any virus.
However, longer obviously would be better.
I'm going to order some masks from China today, if I can. Also perhaps some impermeable
food surface plastic gloves to deal with contact infections.
.... .... ...
As the number of confirmed COVID-19 cases continues to skyrocket, healthcare researchers
around the world are working tirelessly to discover new life-saving medical innovations.
Capitalist's Nick Routley notes , the projects these companies are working on can be
organized into three distinct groups:
Diagnostics: Quickly and effectively detecting the disease in the first place
Treatments: Alleviating symptoms so people who have disease experience milder symptoms,
and lowering the overall mortality rate
Vaccines: Preventing transmission by making the population immune to COVID-19
Today's graphics provide an in-depth look at who's in the innovation race to defeat the
virus, and they come to us courtesy of
Ventures , a venture capital firm focused on life sciences and tech investments.
Editor's note: R&D is moving fast on COVID-19, and the situation is quite fluid. While
today's post is believed to be an accurate snapshot of all innovations and developments listed
by WHO and FDA as of March 30, 2020, it is possible that more data will become
Knowledge is Power
Testing rates during this pandemic have been a point of contention. Without widespread
testing, it has been tough to accurately track the spread of the virus, as well as pin down
important metrics such as
infectiousness and mortality
rates . Inexpensive test kits that offer quick results will be key to curbing the
Here are the companies and institutions developing new tests for COVID-19:
The ultimate aim of companies like Abbott and BioFire Defense is to create a test that can
produce accurate results in as little as a few minutes.
In the Trenches With
While the majority of people infected with COVID-19 only experience minor symptoms, the
disease can cause severe issues in some cases – even resulting in death. Most of the
forms of treatment being pursued fall into one of two categories:
Treating respiratory symptoms – especially the inflammation that occurs in severe
Antiviral growth – essentially stopping viruses from multiplying inside the human
Here are the companies and institutions developing new treatment options for COVID-19:
A wide range of players are in the race to develop treatments related to COVID-19. Pharma
and healthcare companies are in the mix, as well as universities and institutes.
One surprising name on the list is Fujifilm . The Japanese company's stock recently shot up
on the news that Avigan, a decades-old flu drug developed through Fujifilm's healthcare
subsidiary, might be effective at helping coronavirus patients recover. The Japanese
stockpile of the drug is
reportedly enough to treat two million people. Vaccine
The progress that is perhaps being watched the closest by the general public is the
development of a COVID-19 vaccine.
Creating a safe vaccine for a new illness is no easy feat. Thankfully, rapid progress is
being made for a variety of reasons, including China's efforts to sequence the genetic material
of Sars-CoV-2 and to share that information with research groups around the world.
Another factor contributing to the unprecedented speed of development is the fact that
coronaviruses were already on the radar of health science researchers. Both SARS and MERS were
caused by coronaviruses, and even though vaccines were shelved once those outbreaks were
contained, learnings can still be applied to defeating COVID-19.
One of the most promising leads on a COVID-19 vaccine is mRNA-1273. This vaccine, developed
by Moderna Therapeutics , is being developed with extreme urgency, skipping straight into human
trials before it was even tested in animals. If all goes well with the trials currently
underway in Washington State, the company hopes to have an early version of the vaccine ready
by fall 2020. The earliest versions of the vaccine would be made available to at-risk groups
such as healthcare workers.
Further down the pipeline are 15 types of subunit vaccines. This method of vaccination uses
a fragment of a pathogen, typically a surface protein, to trigger an immune response, teaching
the body's immune system how to fight off the disease without actually introducing live
No Clear Finish Line
Unfortunately, there is no silver bullet for solving this pandemic.
A likely scenario is that teams of researchers around the world will come up with solutions
that will incrementally help stop the spread of the virus, mitigate symptoms for those
infected, and help lower the overall death toll. As well, early solutions rushed to market will
need to be refined over the coming months.
We can only hope that the hard lessons learned from fighting COVID-19 will help stop a
future outbreak in its tracks before it becomes a pandemic. For now, those of us on the
sideline can only do our best to
the curve .
Noirette , Apr 2 2020 17:32 utc |
Some of the underlying 'causes' of the mega-disaster to unfold in USA.
Geography, huge, with Federation pol. structure.
It appears the Fed. authorities are weak and disorganised, etc. Ex. the CDC seems to play
little role, not a consequent one. States put in place their own policies, which vary from
quite strict to almost none at all re. preventing contact (1, just an ex., not much good) and
generally, coordination is lacking - a patchwork of policies absent strictly enforced borders
will produce crap results.
Exceptionalism and individualism. Americans are used to feeling 'exceptional', i.e. free
to do as they please or what they *think* is fit (individualim, in fact the scope for action
for citizens is very narrow), righteous and protected (exeptionalism..), and I mean this not
in the sense that ppl will resist constraints / orders / appeals, advice, etc. but that the
society is too dependent on opinions, tribes, cult-like groups, as all is OK (identity
politics, cultish religions, wacky opinions, not to mention cabals, monopolistic groups,
etc.) and is reflected, taken on board, by authorities - see some of b's exs.
Oligarchy and crony capitalism.
Health care, public health are For Profit Enterprises. Such a system is incapable of
taking care of the population on the ground, it isn't designed for that, and can't take on
the task. The MIC (medical industrial complex, Big Pharma the no. 1 actor, med. machinery no.
2.) is geared to extracting profit where it can be found.
This implies billing those who can pay (privatising health care > the rich have access
but the poor not), and giving a lot of room to 'middle men' (e.g. insurance cos) who can
extract from the middles and plebs what they can 'bear' or 'pay'
outside of any illness or
need for health care. Scam on scam, institutionalised.
It also ensures that treatment, procedures, medications, and more will be based on 'what
can be sold' to a gullible public or 'what can be made mandatory / heavily advised' thru
lobbying, i.e. in accord with the corrupted stooge Gvmt. -- completely divorced from any
public health criteria.
So this won't end well....(not that other countries are so much better, but other
PokeTheTruth , Apr 2 2020 19:52 utc |
A postmortem by a competent pathologist is the only way to confirm cause of death.
Americans must not be led like lemmings over the cliff of disease paranoia chased by an
invisible bug unless there is irrefutable proof that COVID-19 and ONLY COVID-19 was the
principle reason attributed to a person's demise.
Investigative journalists ( b?) must dig into the facts and interview some of the hundreds
of ME's (medical examiners) who performed autopsies on these people and ask these
1. Did the autopsy reveal the presence of other chronic diseases pulmonary or otherwise,
that could have contributed to the death of the person (e.g., influenza, COPD, emphysema,
tuberculosis, heart disease, cancers, etc.?
2. Was the deceased taking medication that suppressed the immune system such as for
3. Did the autopsy reveal the presence of disease of the respiratory system due to harmful
inhalants (smoking tobacco, vaping)?
4. Did the autopsy show the patient had heart or vascular problems and had surgeries to
correct them such as stent implants, pace maker or other medical devices?
5. Did the deceased receive chemotherapy treatment for cancer related illness?
Unless every answer to the above questions is an affirmative 'No", the public must not
believe that only COVID-19 caused the death of these people. This calls into question the
number of reported COVID-19 deaths has been deliberately inflated to cause panic in America
as well as around the world.
The next question is, for what other purpose are governments doing this?
David F , Apr 2 2020 20:19 utc |
PokeTheTruth | Apr 2 2020 19:52 utc | 61
Can you not see the il-logic in your criteria? Suppose a person has an underlying illness,
that will eventually prove fatal. If I shoot that person in the head are we going to say that
the cause of death was the underlying illness, or are we going to say it was the bullet to
Many people live with underlying illnesses for years. The criteria that should be used is:
why did that person die right now? If what killed them right now is a viral infection, then
the fact that the underlying illness would have killed them eventually is meaningless, the
cause of death is the viral infection.
I think that some people are adamant that they will not believe there is a deadly virus in
our midst. Nothing said to them is going to make them believe this, they will keep changing
their reasons for the denial. This is somewhat understandable to a point. Yes our government
lies about everything, and yes they take every opportunity to enrich themselves and increase
their power. My initial reaction was dismissive, I too thought it was a case of overblown
hype, but as the days and weeks passed, and the facts changed, so did my opinion.
The overwhelming evidence is pointing to a serious, deadly virus in our midst, and it is
time people start acting appropriately. Even the people who understandably ignored the boy
who cried wolf, eventually came to the realization that there was indeed a wolf in their
ak74 , Apr 2 2020 17:22 utc |
More on America's great Wuhan Urn Psyops of 2020.
US pushes conspiracy theory on China's coronavirus death toll to deflect from Trump
Add this to the list of American disinformation campaigns like mythical Iraqi Weapons of
Mass Destruction; Kuwaiti Incubator babies; Muammar Qaddafi's "Viagra rape squads"; Syrian
"chemical weapons" use in Douma; Russia hacking America's faux democracy; USA-armed moderate
jihadists in Syria; and the fraudulent War on Terror.
The more people die in America because of the Coronavirus pandemic, the more America
points the finger at China ... as if this somehow makes the Land of the Free's criminal
negligence in this pandemic more "tolerable."
A.L. , Apr 2 2020 19:46 utc |
Truths about mask:
1. does it stop you from catching the bug 100%? No, including N95, P100, whatever. there's
leakage and also many other infection vectors.
2. do most people know how to don, adjust and handle used masks properly? No
3. does it help? yes, every little bit is better than nothing
4. dirty little secret - for most of Asia with exception of probably Japan, people wear
mask not because they are trying to protect others if they are asymptomatic carriers. They do
it out of good old self preservation. it DOES, however, have the useful side effect that the
end result is the same - asymptomatic carriers are also covered.
Shelves all over the world are empty, there's slim pickings online and the few suppliers that are selling are pricing at way over
the odds. We're being told to wash our hands and use hand sanitiser - but a lot of people are struggling to find any.
If everyone in the world had one small bottle of sanitiser we would need 385 million litres of the stuff.
Before coronavirus, the world produced less than a thousandth of that per year, about 300,000 litres, according market analysts
Arizton Advisory and Intelligence.
That perhaps explains why there is now, as the pandemic sweeps the world, a problem getting hold of it.
On Amazon, if you try getting alcohol-based sanitiser - the type recommended by the World Health Organization - you'll find all
of the usual brands are sold out.
Here in the UK, just a few days ago only one seller seemed to have any in stock. A 500ml bottle was priced at £30 ($35) - at least
10 times what it would have been in February. It's since been reduced to £20, but that is still about seven times pre-pandemic prices.
It's easy to accuse sellers like these of price-gouging and many reviews underneath the listing did just that. But the company
selling it, Herts Tools, says it's not that simple.
"We've been getting an unfair bashing really," said the friendly man who answered the phone, Paul Stephenson.
"There are people out there saying we're taking the mickey but I can assure you we're not.
"We're in a position where we're making enough profit margin on the hand sanitiser just to keep ourselves afloat."
The company usually sells and rents tools to the construction industry and it only started selling sanitiser because customers
were requesting it.
But it has struggled to get hold of supplies and the cost is rising every day. "I can't even guarantee what I paid today I'm going
to pay tomorrow," says Stephenson.
And that's because the price of the key ingredient - alcohol - has increased dramatically.
The sanitiser Herts Tools has been selling is made by a UK-based skincare products company called Zidac Laboratories. Its director,
Jurica Weissbarth, has been fielding a lot of calls lately.
Zidac can make 150,000 bottles of hand sanitiser a day, but for the past two weeks the production line has been down. It hasn't
been able to get ethanol, the alcohol it puts in its sanitiser, and which has to make up at least 60% for it to kill viruses (and
Weissbarth used to pay around £700 ($800) for a tonne of ethanol - enough for 32,000 bottles of hand gel.
Last week a new supplier offered him a tonne for £10,000 - more than 10 times the ordinary price. He politely declined. But this
week he was in celebratory mood after buying a batch on Tuesday for only three or four times more than usual.
The BBC called several distributors of industrial alcohol. One woman who answered the phone was close to tears; the company she
worked for was closing down due to lack of stock.
Others were so busy that staff were overwhelmed and couldn't talk. One website said requests for orders had gone from 300 a day
to more than 6,000. None were taking new orders.
If sanitisers aren't made from ethanol, they're made from isopropyl alcohol, also called IPA. There are a limited number of companies
that produce these types of alcohol on an industrial scale. The biggest producers are in China, France, Germany, the Netherlands,
the UK and the US.
In France the government has ordered all IPA made in the country to stay there. Other countries could easily follow suit.
Donny Lied Americans Died
10 hours ago
Testing is everything. And, the U.S. has seen a criminal shortage of tests that continues to
, Nadine O'Connor
delphi23 • 7 days
Oh my goodness. AUSTRALIA has a warm climate, is not poor and has many international
travellers. In fact, it is cruise ships passengers disembarking - after the cruise lines LIED
and said their passengers weren't unwell - that is responsible for the recent massive
increase in cases in New South Wales, Queensland and beyond recently. Thanks a lot, you
criminals at Princess Cruises!!!
Nadine O'Connor • 5 days
Why would a cruise line intentionally hurt itself and put itself out of business which is
what has happened because of possibly careless policies or just because the disease rapidly
spreads? Two of Diamond Princess ships - they found out after US passenger on earlier trip
found out. This most likely led to entire crew of that ship to be contaminated. The crew
then, unknown, went to work again on another cruise trip leading to further contamination.
Welcome to contact tracing!
Angus Decker • 3 days
ago • edited
Because they know people have short memories & they can spin anything. Our premier
(WA) did an awesome job of protecting us from CoVID in passengers on Magnifica. The cruise
line was adamant no one on board was sick & issued stern statements about their
passengers being prevented from disembarking to wander our streets. When border patrol
greeted them to ensure everyone stayed on board, they finally admitted they had several
passengers who in fact were so ill they needed to be hospitalised. They lied and didn't care
that they would've have caused an explosion of new cases here in Perth/Fremantle. Their only
concern was that their current passengers weren't happy about being unable to do the tourist
activities they had planned. Our hospitality and tourism industries were already hurting,
they needed that business, but at what cost?! Italy, Spain & now the US show all too
clearly the price is too high.
Show Comment cassandra
March 28, 2020 at 9:03 pm GMT
Putin, like western leaders, often discusses national problems during his appearances. But
afterwards, he'll query responsible ministers about questionable policies, and will make sure
that an effective solution will be put in place. He'll also mention problems during his
speeches, and will then follow the discussion, usually in some detail, with how progress is
being made to fix them.
Western leaders, on the other hand, engage in hand-wringing about how difficult the
problems are, and that we'll have to learn to helplessly adapt ("It's a new economy", "These
jobs aren't coming back."), or fob off their responsibility with dysfunctional suggestions
("Learn to code," as if that were a solution, or impose an economic package on Greece that
will take until 2040 just to find out whether it might be working), or just pride themselves
on realizing there's a problem (like the EU, who considers it an accomplishment to "identify
challenges", and who adopted a policy of wait and see for COVID-19).
There's such a palpable difference between actual leadership and play-acting.
Trump, Sanders and Tulsi all share 3 things: 1) proposals for policies to improve
circumstances that involve making real changes to the status quo 2) strong grassroots based
on disgust with elite policies 3) accusations that they are agents of Putin.
I dunno, if the elites kep attempting to thwart competent domestic leadership, maybe we
should shoot for an amendment that puts Putin directly on the ballot. At least he would know
how to get elected. Then, we cut through the innuendo and make it clear that what voters want
is actual leadership. What have we got to lose?
New York is paying inflated rates as high as 15 times the regular price to get crucial
medical equipment such as masks, as the state struggles to contain the coronavirus,
The state with almost 40 percent of the confirmed COVID-19 cases in the country is paying 20
cents for gloves that typically cost three times less and $7.50 for masks, which is 15 times
the regular price, according to an analysis of payment data by ProPublica.
New York also has paid more than twice the typical cost for infusion pumps. A portable X-ray
machine cost the state $248,841, when it should be between $30,000 and $80,000.
States across the country have complained to the federal government about severe shortages
of equipment. They say they've been forced to compete with other states or countries for
New York Gov.
Cuomo has compared the situation to "being on eBay with 50 other states" and the Federal
Emergency Management Agency.
New York expects to lose $15 billion in costs and lost revenue from the pandemic.
"We know that New York and other states are in the market at the same time, along with the
rest of the world, bidding on these same items, which is clearly driving the fluctuation in
costs," budget office spokesman Freeman Klopott said in an email to ProPublica.
William Gruff , Apr 1 2020 19:28 utc |
Serious question: Has America's misnamed
"intelligence community" leaked anything
truthful to the mass media since the run-up to America attacking Iraq?
I have been trying to remember an instance when they have not lied and am having trouble
with that so if anyone else knows I would appreciate a quick reminder.
jayc , Apr 1 2020 19:48 utc |
Narrative management seeking a scapegoat. US intelligence argues that China officially knew
of pandemic in November, and implies that an alleged failure to sound the alarm until end of
December created the conditions resulting in US and other countries to be unprepared. This is
nonsense. All countries outside of China had more than enough time to prepare. The failing of
US leaders and bureaucracy has been exemplified by first allowing identified infected persons
to freely wander through NYC, for example, since February, followed by allowing outbreaks
within their own military forces.
Deliberate state-sponsored campaigns to create/identify scapegoats has numerous awful
Trailer Trash , Apr 1 2020 19:56 utc |
Exact numbers are not important, but the policies are. The Chinese policy has been very clear
right from the beginning: eradicate the virus. It seems to be working. The US policy has been
murky from the start, but appears to be : don't eradicate the virus; let it become endemic.
The latest evidence for this is a sign next to Trump: "30 Days To Slow The Spread". These two
policies are fundamentally incompatible. I am still thinking that Uncle Sam wants to surround
China and friends with endemic corona virus.
The US police state which has been evolving for decades has now ripped away the facade of
freedom overnight. Where I live the state governor has issued an "executive order" placing us
all under house arrest unless we meet certain exceptions, to be decided by ham-fisted
bureaucrats and police.
The Governor's order which effectively seizes every resident without a warrant or probable
cause or due process of any kind is patently offensive and unconstitutional. Meanwhile there
will be no statewide moratorium on rent, mortgages, utilities, so landlords are free to evict
tenants who are prohibited from earning a living.
During a press conference she was asked about this. She said talked to a few landlords
(who no doubt contribute to her election campaigns) who informed her that a
"one-size-fits-all" approach was not acceptable to them.
There are no defined endpoints to these restrictions. Now that the racetracks are closed,
instead of betting on dogs and ponies we should start a pool on how long until the whole
place explodes like a super volcano. My bet is for the third day of a 90F plus heat wave in
Washington DC - probably by mid-June.
Clueless Joe , Apr 1 2020 20:01 utc |
TJ: Why the fuck did any country let in anyone coming from China is the real question one
should ask. Of course, China should've closed down its own borders to protect others, but the
other governments who willingly did nothing, endangering their very own populations, are even
Besides, one can make the same accusation against most countries, to begin with Italy: Why
did Italy not close its borders when the virus spread there? The bulk of European infections
can be traced back the Northern Italy after all. So, there again, the biggest crime lies with
other European governments who failed to fully isolate Italy as soon as it was obvious the
infections appeared there.
B: I made the same reasoning, Hubei is big and has plenty of deaths all around. If there
were no funerals for more than 2 months, that's a lot of urns lying around.
As for the current "China lied about the numbers", these idiots should've guessed it was
serious shit when China put under lockdown a 60-mio people province that was nowhere near
rebellion Hong-Kong style. As far as I can see, it's mostly Western asshole leaders
deflecting attention and trying to make their people believe they did a good job and no one
could've done better, since after all China had a horrendous death rate as well - though I
hope most people won't fall for such an obvious lie.
, Apr 1 2020 20:18 utc | vk
@ Posted by: TJ | Apr 1 2020 19:50 utc | 18
We could invert your question: if the West is so superior than China, then why didn't its
intelligence system didn't see through China's alleged lies and immediately blocked flights
from China to their respective countries?
Either you are superior or you're not. You can't be both at the same time.
The simplest explanation is the correct one:
West's sense of
superiority caused failure to act promptly
Even in this op-ed, the Global Times contained. It didn't mention capitalism's
degeneration since 2008, which left it in a very frail state (that's probably why they hired
a British analyst to write it).
Ghost Ship , Apr 1 2020 20:30 utc |
There were people who were infectious who left China before the Chinese authorities had even
identified the COVID-19. The only way to stop an infection entering a country would be to
insist that every single visitor to that country remained in quarantine for thirty days after
entry. Just imagine the impact on tourism and business. To visit for a one hour business
meeting requires two months in quarantine, one month upon entry to the destination country
and another month on return to the home country as all countries would be entitled to demand
similar quarantine terms.
As for Italy
He says it looks unlikely that Italy could have done anything to completely prevent the
virus from entering. "The only thing we could have done is introducing the current lockdown
on 30 January, a decision that was impossible and unthinkable at the time," he says. Even
stopping flights from China might have had no influence at all, he says – new,
provisional research suggests that the coronavirus reached Italy from Germany.
Every country in the EU closing its borders to residents of every other country in the EU
without good cause couldn't happen. And the UK, which was leaving the EU did nothing at its
borders - I read tweets through February and March from air passengers travelling to the UK
that were amazed at the lack of testing and quarantine even when fellow passengers clearly
displayed the symptoms of COVID-19.
Екатери́на , Apr
1 2020 20:37 utc |
Rats appear to be scurrying to deflect attention from the ratlines.
Bhadrakumar had an interesting piece up suggesting some truth telling is likely going on
in certain circles.
In an exclusive remark, a "source in the Russian Foreign Ministry" told the state news
"In order to unambiguously answer the question about the origin, about where the first
case emerged, major research needs to be carried out. So, Washington's accusing tone in
comments against China arouses blatant bewilderment."
The source then went on to touch on the allegation made in China -- namely, that a team
of American military personnel had visited Wuhan, China, previously before the outbreak.
The Russian Foreign Ministry source said:
"As for "US trace" in the COVID-19 outbreak, we don't have this data today. However, for
a long time we have been watching with concerns the US military and biological activity
carried out in direct proximity with our borders. In other words, there are indeed
questions for the US."
Now, a few things must be said right at the outset. Any longtime observer of the Russian
state system, media culture and Russian diplomacy would know that Tass, which functions
under the supervision of the Kremlin is not in the business of lapping up stray remarks by
a moonlighting Russian source.
....Suffice to say, one plausible explanation for the Tass report today is that Moscow
has alerted Trump to something that he may not yet be aware of. "
US on coronavirus' parentage
William Gruff @14: One hardly needs to leak if one is manning the news desks! Red Ryder , Apr 1 2020 20:51 utc |
39 For all the Monday morning quarterbacks, factor this in your criticisms: the Chinese,
the WHO, the world's experts did not know how infectious this virus was until it was in South
Korea. That Korean cult religious group and the spread from there was the first clear sign.
China had its infectious impact in its Wuhan hospitals, when they began losing doctors and
nurses to the virus. It was six weeks into the breakout before the scientists understood that
the danger was the spread, not the deadliness.
The fear then woke everyone that modern hospitals could not handle the spiral spread, the
logarithmic growth potential of COVID-19.
Now, we know that the virus began outside China many months before Wuhan. Probably,
summertime 2019. There are a lot of "flu" deaths in the USA which were symptomatic but
untested that match COVID-19. Many deaths were caused by that virus in 2019. And there are
many survivors who describe the experience identical to those who survive it now.
Dispersing the herd, social distancing, is the most effective tool to mitigate the
epidemic potential of this virus. Where that was done, it slowed and died. It needs crowds of
people to keep growing and keep going.
Watch it wipe out the crew on the Teddy Roosevelt.
Statement about listerine is obviously wrong.
, George Obrien
7 days ago • edited
Did Johns Hopkins issue the following guidelines (I don't think they did)?
1. The virus is not a living organism, but a protein molecule (DNA) covered by a
protective layer of lipid (fat), which, when absorbed by the cells of the ocular, nasal or
buccal mucosa, changes their genetic code. (mutation) and convert them into aggressor and
2. Since the virus is not a living organism but a protein molecule, it is not killed, but
decays on its own. The disintegration time depends on the temperature, humidity and type of
material where it lies.
3. The virus is very fragile; the only thing that protects it is a thin outer layer of
fat. That is why any soap or detergent is the best remedy, because the foam CUTS the FAT
(that is why you have to rub so much: for 20 seconds or more, to make a lot of foam). By
dissolving the fat layer, the protein molecule disperses and breaks down on its own.
4. HEAT melts fat; this is why it is so good to use water above 25 degrees Celsius for
washing hands, clothes and everything. In addition, hot water makes more foam and that makes
it even more useful.
5. Alcohol or any mixture with alcohol over 65% DISSOLVES ANY FAT, especially the external
lipid layer of the virus.
6. Any mix with 1 part bleach and 5 parts water directly dissolves the protein, breaks it
down from the inside.
7. Oxygenated water helps long after soap, alcohol and chlorine, because peroxide
dissolves the virus protein, but you have to use it pure and it hurts your skin.
8. NO BACTERICIDE SERVES. The virus is not a living organism like bacteria; they cannot
kill what is not alive with anthobiotics, but quickly disintegrate its structure with
9. NEVER shake used or unused clothing, sheets or cloth. While it is glued to a porous
surface, it is very inert and disintegrates only between 3 hours (fabric and porous), 4 hours
(copper, because it is naturally antiseptic; and wood, because it removes all the moisture
and does not let it peel off and disintegrates). ), 24 hours (cardboard), 42 hours (metal)
and 72 hours (plastic). But if you shake it or use a feather duster, the virus molecules
float in the air for up to 3 hours, and can lodge in your nose.
10. The virus molecules remain very stable in external cold, or artificial as air
conditioners in houses and cars. They also need moisture to stay stable, and especially
darkness. Therefore, dehumidified, dry, warm and bright environments will degrade it
11. UV LIGHT on any object that may contain it breaks down the virus protein. For example,
to disinfect and reuse a mask is perfect. Be careful, it also breaks down collagen (which is
protein) in the skin, eventually causing wrinkles and skin cancer.
12. The virus CANNOT go through healthy skin.
13. Vinegar is NOT useful because it does not break down the protective layer of fat.
14. NO SPIRITS, NOR VODKA, serve. The strongest vodka is 40% alcohol, and you need
15. LISTERINE IF IT SERVES! It is 65% alcohol.
16. The more confined the space, the more concentration of the virus there can be. The
more open or naturally ventilated, the less.
17. This is super said, but you have to wash your hands before and after touching mucosa,
food, locks, knobs, switches, remote control, cell phone, watches, computers, desks, TV, etc.
And when using the bathroom.
18. You have to HUMIDIFY HANDS DRY from so much washing them, because the molecules can
hide in the micro cracks. The thicker the moisturizer, the better.
19. Also keep your NAILS SHORT so that the virus does not hide there.
6 days ago
IMHO only 20% of the note shows some imprecise or wrongly interpreted examples (like f i
Listerine) , but when 80% looks correct, we ABSOLUTELY need to find the source and
disseminate it in order to help people understand and , why not, start thinking on why and
how apply the recommendations AFTER having understood the logic behind the detailed and
practical recommendations which do make sense but which we need to justify and assess before
we carry them further as full "truth"
On March 14, French health minister Olivier Véran made a blunt statement on Twitter
– warning that people should stay away from using ibuprofen to treat coronavirus
symptoms. Some patients in France had experienced adverse affects using non-steroidal
anti-inflammatory drugs to treat the disease. The tweet has sparked rampant disinformation on
WhatsApp and social media, but there is currently no strong evidence that ibuprofen can make
coronavirus worse. Even so, the NHS is still advising that – until we have further
evidence – people should avoid using ibuprofen to treat coronavirus symptoms and take
paracetamol instead. If you can't take paracetamol, or are taking ibuprofen on the advice of a
doctor, make sure you check with a doctor before you make any changes to your medication.
Updated 04.03.20, 11:05 GMT: The article has been updated to clarify that some alcohol
gels are effective against norovirus.
Matt Reynolds is WIRED's science editor. He tweets from
, FFClementi • 5 hours
ago • edited
We need to look into why the most active countries that do not practice self isolation,
while wearing face masks, have very lowest death rates compared to case numbers. I.e.,
Singapore, South Korea, Russia, Japan, etc...
FFClementi • 4 hours
There is difference among people born and raised in different countries with different
vaccinations given at birth and afterwards. There is also difference of many local diseases
very common; like malaria and others in Asian courtiers, which are almost non-existent here
in USA. It gives us some directions to fight Covid-19 employing mass spectrometry and many
Wightwick • 4 hours
I am over 70 and last year in the UK I had a vaccine for pneumonia, which I understand is
of one of the stages in the desease's cycle. Might it be possible that a pneumonia vaccine
would provide some kind of immunity for Covid-19?
Richard Wightwick • 3 hours
The vaccine for pneumonia may have a limited scope compared to Covid-19 attack on immune
system, but studies of the blood samples looking for anti-bodies after vaccine for pneumonia
may provide us further insight. The best practice would be to try staying away from Covid-19
exposure and try to boost our immune system.
, Alfonso Eslava •
I would like to share some information I happen to find coming out from Chinese Social
Media South China Morning Post: "People with blood type A may be more vulnerable to
coronavirus, China study finds".
A claim from scientists from Chinese study at Zhognan University Hospital in Wuhan and
Shenzhen city. They screen 2000 medical record of patients infected with the SARS CAVID19 to
find a higher proportion of patients belonging to the Blood group A, as well as greater
proportion of them suffering from more severe disease. As we know most scientific papers from
China are written in Chinese language and their scientific perspective may not be as ours, we
cannot confirm that is a reflecting a true fact. Nevertheless, it wouldn't be so difficult
nor expensive to have a look into the matter. If it turns out to reflect a confirmed fact, it
will change our perception about the susceptibility to this germ. We already know that there
is a very wide spectrum of severity of symptoms in our population and in part that might be
due to factors as those mentioned above. My only recommendation is please take it easy we do
not want another problem as we did with toilet paper or Chloroquine.
Be safe, keep yourself at home.
are printing retractions and corrections after accidentally spreading information that
vodka can be used to kill the coronavirus
Per the CDC, hand sanitizer needs to contain at least 60% alcohol. Tito's Handmade Vodka is
40% alcohol, and therefore does not meet the current recommendation of the CDC. Please see attached for more
-- TitosVodka (@TitosVodka)
March 4, 2020
You can certainly bet on that the virus can spread in hot seasons. In these days, in
Argentina, we have temperatures about 35 Celsius (almost 100 Fahrenheit), and the virus still
gained momentum in such environments. The strict social isolation has been proven to be our
best option so far. In economics terms, and even in social mood, it seems to be a very high
price to pay. But relaxing or terminating this forced quarantine may led us to the worst case
Pérez • 3 days
, CARLOS ALBERTO
RANGEL • 11
Here in Brazil we have high temperatures right now. And the daily contagion rate is much
lower than in countries or places where the climate is much colder. I believe that the virus
will not spread as well in hot climates.
khan • 6 hours
why is the infectivity and mortality in indian subcontinent lower?
as they are poor countries and with minimum facility to do distancing.... ,
• 5 days
I'm currently in mid-Florida there it has been in the upper 80's to mid 90's every day for
the last several weeks. The infection is increasing here as far as in Michigan. Also, it's
hotter down towards Miami and the infection levels are even higher down there. I wouldn't put
any faith and hot days killing it
MSUS2005 • 3 days
because tens of thousands of infected new-yorkers escape from NYC to Florida
tg411 Dustin Sidley
• 8 days
"those countries are poor and have no testing" - but what about their death rate then? As
of right now, the ENTIRE CONTINENT of Africa has just a few dozen deaths TOTAL..
Extreme heat/cold are known to be formidable environments to most viruses. Odds are that
this one is too, but only time will tell I guess.
Dustin Sidley • 7 days
Australia is not poor and absolutely does have testing!!! We have over 3000 infected (that
has been identified) and 13 deaths. Do not count on weather conditions offering some form of
Jake Westen Nadine
O'Connor • 4 days
Sydney is 21C / 69F and Melbourne is 18C / 64F. That isn't hot weather. That is winter
weather here in Texas.
Jake Westen • a day
Temperature isn't the only parameter, air-conditioning and the related irritation of
mucous membranes are favouring coughs and sneezing and by consequence the spread of
Germany forbade selling face masks to Spain and Italy and then bought those items
On March 4, Angela Merkel banned all exports of medical equipment from her
companies. Part of those orders were already agreed with Spanish companies.
On March 4, Germany made the decision to ban any export of medical devices outside
its borders. No masks, no disposable gowns, no respirators, no serums. Nothing .. In
Spain, Health authorities recognized 160 cases of coronavirus and ensured that there
would be no explosion of infections. In Italy, the authorities were considering closing
schools and universities. And while, Germany gathered and stayed in that movement with
the items that several Spanish companies had committed to healthcare providers located
in the country.
Thus, as this newspaper has been able to confirm,
the American multinational 3M,
based in Minnesota but with its main European factories located in Germany, alerted its
distributors and large customers, both Spanish and the rest of Europe, two days later.
"This decision by the German government will likely impact 3M's ability to ensure the
timely delivery of these products".
The multinational is possibly the world's most recognized supplier of materials such
as self-filtering masks, face shields, or surgical gowns.
In his brief, 3M's
Europe-wide commercial director warned customers that there would be supply problems
due to the decision made in Germany both for these products and for surgical gowns,
particle masks, safety glasses or protective suits.
At that time, the company had already committed several games with Spanish
multinationals, who use their masks regularly to protect their workers in jobs related
to different industries, in addition to healthcare. But for two days now, nothing that
could have been used to fight the Covid-19 could have left Germany.
On the same day, France took a similar measure and also banned the export of
medical supplies, masks, or any other type of product that would help fight the
pandemic outside its borders. Even to its partners in the European Union.
On March 13, a week after that decision was made, the European Commission
negotiated with France and Germany to lift the veto on health exports. It was a gesture
without much real value since at that time, Germany had already centralized the
purchase of medical supplies and had taken over the majority stock of products that
could help combat the pandemic. It should be remembered that the German business fabric
represents a quarter of the entire European Union.
The German government's decision agrees with two moments lived shortly afterwards in
international politics: the European summit of March 27 in which Germany and the
Netherlands refused to allow the economic debt generated by the Coronavirus to be
supported by all the member states of the European Union, and subsequent statements by
the President of the Spanish Government, Pedro Sánchez, who appealed to the
solidarity of all members of the EU to try to fight the pandemic, even talking about a
new "Marshall Plan" to rebuild Europe.
Posted by: H.Schmatz | Apr 1 2020 14:48 utc |
"On what it is not true the alleged lack of foresight by the Spanish government esgrimmed
by the economic representative of The Netherlands and thrown with not few despice in the
face of the Spanish representative in the last European "tele-summit":
Germany forbade selling face masks to Spain and Italy and then bought those items
On March 4, Angela Merkel banned all exports"
And what action did the Spanish Government take, in the months prior to March 4th, to
prepare for what they had been repeatedly warned would be coming?
No action whatsoever it seems. Not even the most basic of precautions regarding
incoming holidaymakers. Nothing at all. Raking in the Tourist money was more important
than protecting themselves. Everyone else in Europe is supposed to protect Spain while
the Spainish did nothing to provide protection for themselves
So the nonstop Spanish whinging is sounding very hollow indeed
Posted by: Realist | Apr 1 2020 15:25 utc |
@Posted by: Realist | Apr 1 2020 15:25 utc | 240
Spain should have started forbidding mass meetings before, but, as you can test by the
article provided, they have already started making their purchase of medical supplies way
before March4th, but was Germany who held those buyouts hostage to then centralize the
market. That is monopolizing ( as they did by dismantling all the indutrial fabric of the
GDR, btw, this is an old dream of the Germans, monopolizing industry and this is hw we
were ordered to dismantle all our undustrial faric once entered into the EU, especially
our dairy and hard metal industry, so as to not compite with the German one...) and goes
not only against the laws of free market but also, I fear against those of the EU.
All in all, none country started mass quaratine measures when they had only 160 known
case of Covid-19, not even China, not even Russia, so claimed here fro its good
management by so many. Russia started quaratining people, and that in Moscow at the
heights of 500-600 known cases.
While I have criticized enough the management of the Spanish government ( especially
the purchasing of tests from a not certified Chinese company ), today,
the Imperial College of London ( who are not my peers precisely, you know...) praises the
management of the crisis by Spain and states that the measures taken saved around 16.000
It seems that what has happened to Spain is that she has been applied some additional
obstacles to jump over by her presumed allies in the EU and NATO, and also by some
autonomous administrations, like that governing in Madrid, of the far-right ideology, and
opposed to the current central government.
Posted by: H.Schmatz | Apr 1 2020 15:48 utc |
•Contrary to media reports, the register of German intensive care units also shows no increased
occupancy. Citizen journalists visited completely abandoned Covid19 admission centres in Berlin clinics.
An employee of a Munich clinic explained that they had been „waiting for weeks for the wave to hit", but
that there was „no increase in patient numbers". He said that the politicians' statements did not
correspond with their own experience, and that the „myth of the killer virus" could „not be confirmed"
Germany is a weird outlier and I am happy for them that they are an outlier. But I can tell you that
many ICs in NL are completely full.-
citation needed -ed
I wonder, was there a hotspot in
Germany of cases with covid19, as there was in NL (Eindhoven)?
Now the hotspot in Eindhoven is attributed to carnaval (packed places), but in Germany they also
have carnaval, or was carnaval cancelled in Germany?
I am struggling with understanding these hotspots .
Here is a ref from the Dutch Health inspectorate.
. There you can also see a map with the hotspot I am talking about.
And then I also have my own eyes, although I can imagine that you do not count that as evidence (but it does for me).
And yes I changed my mind
As explained in the other thread I do believe that the disease is real, but mild, not any worse than flu.
And I am very suspicious about the timing of all of it. It is, as if, somebody knew what was coming. If so, they have total
control of the narrative: then they know what causes it, how it can be stopped and how it will be stopped. My prediction is
that it will stop soon as the virus (it seems) cannot resist temps >20C. I also think they don't want this to last much longer
as that might lead to uncontrolled social unrest. So it has to stop. It is like as if they are following a script and it all
works well for them doesn't it?
And that is why I ask about the hotspots.
Eindhoven doesn't have much air pollution, so that doesn't follow Milan or Wuhan either. What does?
Apr 1, 2020 9:05 PM
Actually this is even a better citation
See page 17: 1200 IC beds in NL while there are usual only 1100 (but upschaled to 1600 now)
You are right about the importance of citations. They are there, I should take the time to actually show them here.
I still don't understand the hotspot though..
No, carnival was not cancelled in Germany.
According to the official story the first cases in Germany – apart from the
few at Webasto in Bavaria in January who all recovered – were at Heinsberg near the Durch border. The People in question
apparently brought it back from holiday in Italy , and spread it at a carnival occasion in February.
Apr 1, 2020 7:12 PM
Not just Germany. From today:
"•Also in Swiss clinics, no increased occupancy has been observed so far. A visitor to the
cantonal hospital in Lucerne reports that there is „less activity than in normal times". Entire floors have been closed for
Covid19, but staff „are still waiting for patients". The hospitals in Bern, Basel, Zug and Zurich have also been „cleaned
out". Even in Ticino, the intensive care units are not working to capacity, but patients are now being transferred to the
empty German-Swiss departments. From a purely medical point of view, this makes little sense."
Apr 1, 2020 7:15 PM
The IC units in NL are filled. I know that because I count that. But the IC units that are filled, are mainly filled
with patients around the Eindhoven area. If the Eindhoven area would not be in the Netherlands, we would have a
different situation, perhaps similar to Germany.
So that is why I am so puzzled about the Eindhoven region. What
Was it carnaval? People who returned from Northern Italy (skiing)? Those are options that could be true. But if people
in Germany gonskiing in Northern Italy and celebrate carnaval, why isn't there a hotspot in Germany?
It could all be coincidence. But coincidence is a weasel word for saying that you don't know what happened.
What happened in the Eindhoven region?
Mitigation could also increase the final death toll – again accepting the official story – through its effect on slowing the
development of herd immunity in a population.
Of course back in the real world hospitals in countries such as Switzerland
and Germany don't seem to be having much of a problem dealing with rhose caseloads you mention as my comments elsewhere on
this article illustrate,
Even in Italy:
"•In Italy the situation is now beginning to calm down. As far as is known, the temporarily increased mortality rates (65+)
were rather local effects, often accompanied by mass panic and a breakdown in health care. A politician from northern Italy
asks, for example, „how is it possible that Covid patients from Brescia are transported to Germany, while in the nearby Verona
two thirds of intensive care beds are empty?""
-- -- –
"how is it possible that Covid patients from Brescia are transported to Germany, while in the nearby Verona two thirds of
intensive care beds are empty?""
Pandemics ain't what they used to be.
Apr 1, 2020 7:37 PM
According to Steven W. Mosher, a China specialist with the Population Research Institute,
this research could be especially harmful to humans. "China claims that the deadly virus did not
escape from its biolab," Mr. Mosher said. "Fine. Prove it by releasing the research records of
the Wuhan lab."
China researchers isolated bat coronaviruses near Wuhan wild animal market - Washington
Times Chinese government researchers
isolated more than 2,000 new viruses, including deadly bat coronaviruses, and carried out
scientific work on them just three miles from a wild animal market identified as the epicenter
of the COVID-19 pandemic.
Several Chinese state media outlets in recent months touted the virus research and lionized
in particular a key researcher in
Wuhan , Tian Junhua , as a leader in bat
The coronavirus strain now infecting hundreds of thousands of people globally mutated from
bats believed to have infected animals and people at a wild animal market in
Wuhan . The exact origin of the virus,
however, remains a mystery.
SEE ALSO: Chinese markets again selling bats -- likely source of deadly pandemic -- reporters
Reports of the extensive Chinese research on bat viruses likely will fuel more calls for
Beijing to make public what it knows about such work.
"This is one of the worst cover-ups in human history, and now the world is facing a global
pandemic," Rep. Michael T. McCaul, Texas Republican and ranking member of the House Foreign
Affairs Committee, said last week. Mr. McCaul has said
China should be held accountable for the
A video posted online in December and funded by the
Chinese government shows Mr.
caves in Hubei province taking samples from captured bats and storing them in vials.
"I am not a doctor, but I work to cure and save people," Mr.
Tian says in the video. "I am not a
soldier, but I work to safeguard an invisible national defense line."
Chinese officials have said the virus likely spread from wild animals to people at
Wuhan 's Huanan
Seafood Wholesale Market, not far from the Wuhan
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention ( CDC
), the national center for China 's bat virus research.
Wuhan is finally
stirring back to life after a harsh crackdown on travel and street activity was imposed in late
January. The city's bus, subway and train systems started to run again over the weekend. Shops
downtown were operating with some restrictions Monday, although customers were scarce.
But British news accounts also reported over the weekend that some of the stalls at
China 's so-called
"wet" wild animal markets, as they reopen, have begun once again selling bats and scorpions and
resumed questionable practices such as slaughtering small animals right at the site.
Chinese officials refused to provide samples of its coronavirus strains to U.S. researchers
Peter AU1 , Apr 1 2020 12:27 utc |
"the Day after the day lengthens the list of doctors who died on the field for Covid-19.
And the total up to 51.
Are 6.414 health care workers infected."
Is not this is sign of government incompetence? They have two full month to increase production. and the results are
Andrew Rehder, manager of
respirator mask factory
in Aberdeen, S.D., got the call from headquarters on Tuesday, Jan. 21. He gathered about 20 managers
and supervisors into a conference room, where they sat, unworried, less than 6 feet apart. Rehder told them that a new virus was
spreading rapidly in China and that 3M was expecting demand for protective gear to jump.
The Aberdeen plant had already ramped up production of respirator masks in response to demand from first responders battling
wildfires in Australia and contending with a volcano in the Philippines. Now, Rehder told his charges, Aberdeen would shift to
"surge capacity." Idle machinery installed for precisely this purpose would be activated, and many of the plant's 650 employees
would immediately start working overtime. "We knew it wouldn't be a two-week blip, it would be longer," Rehder says. "But I had
, March 30, 2020.
Photo illustration: 731; Photographer: Jamie Chung for Bloomberg Businessweek
This is 3M's moment, one for which the staid, 118-year-old Minnesota manufacturing giant -- the maker of Post-its, Scotch tape,
touchscreen displays, and scores of other products -- has been preparing for almost two decades. Coming out of the SARS epidemic of
2002-03, the company realized it wasn't fully equipped to handle unexpected explosions of demand in the event of a crisis, or
what it calls an "X factor." It decided to build surge capacity into its respirator factories around the world.
Over the years, with X factors such as the Ebola panic and the H1N1 flu virus generating flash floods of demand, the company
kept refining its emergency response. When the world started clamoring for respirator masks to help confront coronavirus, 3M was
People everywhere are scrambling for ventilators, Covid-19 test kits, bleach, and toilet paper. But almost no item is as
scarce -- and as vital to addressing this medical emergency -- as the N95 respirator masks made by 3M, Honeywell, Medicom, and a
smattering of other companies. Without respirators, doctors, nurses, and other medical personnel are at increased risk of
contracting the affliction they're treating.
China, where this coronavirus originated, also happens to produce half the world's respirators. As the
, the Chinese government halted mask exports and demanded that all in-country manufacturers, including 3M,
crank up production. Shortages swiftly developed as Covid-19 cases appeared in Asia, Europe, and the U.S., forcing health-care
workers to reuse old respirators and cobble together ersatz masks from materials bought at craft stores. In America, states are
bidding against one another
for masks priced as much as 10 times the usual cost of 60¢ to 80¢ apiece.
3M can't save the day on its own, but it's promising a remarkably large contribution. The company has in two months doubled
global production of N95 masks to about 100 million a month, and it's planning to invest in new equipment to push annual mask
production to 2 billion within 12 months. On March 22, Chief Executive Officer Mike Roman said in a news release that 3M had sent
500,000 respirators to hard-hit Seattle and New York City, and that it was ramping up production of hand sanitizers and
disinfectants as well. Two days later, Roman said 3M would work with
Ford Motor Co.
to produce powered air purifying respirators,
that blow air into helmets that shield wearers.
is also increasing N95 production, saying it will hire at least 500 people to expand capacity at a facility in
Although businesses globally have emptied out, more than half of 3M's 96,000 employees are still showing up for work in its
factories and warehouses. "It's been amazing," says Rehder, who's in the Aberdeen plant seven days a week, usually walking the
floor, which is now marked with yellow tape to keep workers from violating the imaginary 6-foot infection barrier. "People are
very proud to work in a place that's making respirators, especially with the need that's out there now."
, says: Show Comment Jus'
March 31, 2020 at 4:15 pm GMT
@Anon Agree! As I just wrote in an email to some friends:
I've argued for several weeks that we are in a "fog of war" situation, i.e., critical
decisions MUST be made but there is insufficient information upon which to make these
decisions. On the one hand, if estimates of SARS-COV-19's infectiousness and lethality are as
great as some think then, without extreme public health` interventions, including some that
take a wrecking ball to the economy and the Bill of Rights, we face death rates not seen
since the 1918 Spanish Influenza Pandemic. On the other hand, if the estimates of
SARS-COV-19's infectiousness and lethality are much too high or, even more frightening, there
is no "herd immunity" and the pandemic recurs each year, then we may wind up destroying our
economy and creating nation-destroying levels of social unrest, while ultimately not
affecting the course of the current pandemic in any meaningful way. After stupid and
ill-advised complacency during the early stages of the current pandemic, our ruling elite and
their policy makers seem to have panicked, assumed the worst, and adopted the first
My personal feeling is that this was a serious mistake. Far less stringent public health
measures would have been the best option, e.g., encouraging the wearing of face masks in
public (which the CDC has evidently just begun doing after discouraging the practice for
nearly two months), banning large gatherings, and quarantining those who are obviously ill.
This would have moderated pandemic deaths while not wrecking the economy and generating
social disorder. It's too late for that now. We've already shattered the economy (
). Social disorder on a massive scale is almost certain to follow.
The saddest part of all this is that even if SARS-COV-19's infectiousness and lethality
are as high as the more extreme estimates suggest, we might have been better off with a
restrained public health policy. The results would have been ugly, something like the 1918
Pandemic with the medical system overwhelmed and bodies piling up in the streets. The
political parties in charge would be damaged beyond repair as a result of their apparent
malfeasance. But when the dust settled, the country would recover quickly. The economy would
still be intact, or at least not much worse than before. In fact, a significant amount of
economic and demographic deadwood and drags on the economy , e.g., unproductive pensioners
like me, disabled persons, the "homeless", etc., might be effortlessly removed from this vale
of tears, society and the economy. From a purely utilitarian standpoint this would be a net
benefit to the country.
After disruptions like those I'm envisioning, as the inevitable result of current public
health policies, the only way the ruling elite and establishment can retain control is with a
catastrophic distraction, e.g., a national coup d'etat or phony revolution, or an
international war of WW I proportions. I'm expecting that very bad things will follow in the
wake of this pandemic and the ruling elites' responses.
Authored by J.D.Tuccille via Reason.com,
Could the stalled economy we've inflicted on ourselves in our frantic efforts to battle the
COVID-19 pandemic lead to civil disorder? History suggests that's a real danger.
Around the world, high unemployment and stagnant economic activity tend to lead to social
unrest, including demonstrations, strikes, and other forms of potentially violent disruptions.
That's a huge concern as forecasters expect the U.S. unemployment rate in the months to come to
surpass that seen during the depths of the Great Depression.
"We're putting this initial number at 30 percent; that's a 30 percent unemployment rate"
in the second quarter of this year as a result of the planned economic shutdowns, Federal
Reserve Bank of St. Louis President James Bullard
told Bloomberg News on March 22. Gross Domestic Product, he adds, is expected to drop by
Unlike most bouts of economic malaise, this is a self-inflicted wound meant to counter a
serious public health crisis. But, whatever the reasons, it means businesses shuttered and
people without jobs and incomes. That's risky.
"Results from the empirical analysis indicate that economic growth and the unemployment
rate are the two most important determinants of social unrest,"
notes the International Labour Organisation (ILO), a United Nations agency that maintains
a Social Unrest Index in an attempt to predict civil disorder based, in part, on economic
trends. "For example, a one standard deviation increase in unemployment raises social unrest
by 0.39 standard deviations, while a one standard deviation increase in GDP growth reduces
social unrest by 0.19 standard deviations."
Why would economic shutdowns lead to social unrest? Because, contrary to the airy dismissals
of some members of the political class and many ivory-tower types, commerce isn't a grubby
embarrassment to be tolerated and avoided -- it's the life's blood of a society. Jobs and
businesses keep people alive. They represent the activities that meet demand for food,
clothing, shelter -- and that develop and distribute the medicine and medical supplies we need
to battle COVID-19.
President Donald Trump may be overly optimistic when he hopes to have the country, including
areas hard-hit by the virus, "
and just raring to go by Easter ," but he's not wrong to include the economy in his
By contrast, New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo's
insistence that "if it's public
health versus the economy, the only choice is public health," sounds fine and noble. But it
reflects an unrealistic and semi-aristocratic disdain for the activities that make fighting the
pandemic possible at all -- and that keep social unrest at bay.
While the ILO has tried to quantify the causes of social unrest, its researchers certainly
aren't the first to make the connection between angry, unemployed people and trouble in the
At the height of the Great Depression, when U.S. unemployment hit a
peak of 24.9 percent , Franklin Delano
Roosevelt's administration saw make-work programs such as the Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC)
as a means of getting the jobless -- especially young men -- safely into "quasi-military camps
often far from home in the nation's publicly owned forests and parks," Joseph M. Speakman
wrote for the Fall 2006
issue of Prologue Magazine , a publication of the U.S. National Archives and Records
"Bringing an army of the unemployed into 'healthful surroundings,' Roosevelt argued, would
help to eliminate the threats to social stability that enforced idleness had created,"
The program mostly worked --
at least , it confined revolts to the camps
themselves , where they were suppressed by Army officers. Those same officers commanded the
men when they were drafted and dispatched to even
more remote destinations with the coming of World War II.
In fact, the connection between unemployment, stagnant economies, and social unrest is so
clear that an important indicator for a large underground economy is relative peace prevailing
alongside a chronically high unemployment rate.
If 21 percent of the workforce "were jobless, Spain would not be as peaceful as, barring a
few demonstrations, it has so far been, say economists and business leaders," the Financial
noted in 2011. Sure enough,
researchers found that off-the-books businesses and jobs thrived in Spain --
accounting for the equivalent of a quarter of GDP at one point -- keeping people employed and
Bullard of the Fed doesn't propose shipping the jobless off to the wilderness -- at least,
not yet -- and he doesn't seem inclined to rely on the black market to keep people fed, warm,
and healthy. Instead, to defuse the impact of the social-distancing shutdowns of normal
economic activity, he calls for lost income to be replaced by unemployment insurance and other
payments that would make displaced workers and business owners whole.
He better be right that government checks -- drawing on money from the thin air and not
generated by an economy that has largely halted, I'll note -- can offset the pain of lost jobs
and businesses, because the first wave of the unemployment he predicts is already here.
"In the week ending March 21, the advance figure for seasonally adjusted initial claims
was 3,283,000, an increase of 3,001,000 from the previous week's revised level," the United
States Department of Labor
on Thursday, March 26.
"This marks the highest level of seasonally adjusted initial claims in the history of the
seasonally adjusted series."
Those disturbed by such economic collapse include public health professionals who take
COVID-19 very seriously.
"I am deeply concerned that the social, economic and public health consequences of this
near total meltdown of normal life -- schools and businesses closed, gatherings banned --
will be long lasting and calamitous, possibly graver than the direct toll of the virus
David L. Katz, former director of Yale University's Yale-Griffin Prevention Research Center,
in The New York Times last week.
"The stock market will bounce back in time, but many businesses never will. The
unemployment, impoverishment and despair likely to result will be public health scourges of
the first order."
Unemployment, impoverishment, and despair are frightening outcomes in themselves. They're
also a recipe for social unrest that will afflict even those of us who weather both the
pandemic and the accompanying economic storm.
The early days of the outbreak have been reminiscent of SARS and MERS, and indeed, the
discovery that the causative agent was a closely-related, never-before-described coronavirus
predicted potential for nosocomial transmission and so-called "super-spreader" events (
8 ). Unfortunately, 2019-nCoV did
indeed infect health workers in China via nosocomial transmission. Here we offer a first
description of the 1,716 confirmed cases among health workers.
Overall, they also display a likely mixed outbreak pattern -- perhaps the data are
characterized by a point source curve beginning in late December 2019, which was eclipsed by a
higher magnitude continuous source curve beginning on January 20, 2020. To date, there is no
evidence of a super-spreader event occurring in any of the Chinese health facilities serving
COVID-19 patients. However, we do not know whether this is due to the nature of the virus
itself or whether these events have been successfully prevented.
, says: Show Comment AnonFromBeijing March 30,
2020 at 8:20 am GMT
You misunderstood something about Chinese measures to fight this virus.
We did not just simply lock down cities and everybody stay home to wait for the good
It's far from enough.
We check check and check.
Find out those infected, took them into hospitals. Find them as much as we can. DO NOT leave
them goof around/stay home to infect the whole family.
Find out those who are close to the infected, took them into isolation to observe if they
will catch the virus. Find them as much as we can.
Track those who were close to the infected, check out the asymptomatic one who is out of the
radar and secretly give the virus to the infected. Isolate this asymptomatic person who may
continue to spread the virus to others. Yes, you need to find out who infected whom, and how.
You need to build the detective teams on infection. You find them out, learn from it, publish
it, avoid it.
It's a mission impossible, but still, you do it, with enough endeavor, it's mission
check, check, check track, track, track isolate, isolate, isolate
In the same time, you do all you capacity to guarantee the medic, the logistic, the supply,
it's a whole system. Not simply lock down, not just stay at home.
China has more than 70% family cases because social cases are effectively avoided by lock
down and stay at home, while those family cases at early stage in Wuhan especially can not be
avoided since we don't have this system at the time. Things happened in Wuhan too fast!
You need to react fast! You need to do lot of things at the same time. You need to find them,
all of them, really fast. Take them into hospital, into isolation, into observation, under
Lock down and stay at home works! But that's not all about it. That's just a start of
There are cases that people go out for grocery, without masks, get infected by another buyer,
If you guys don't wear mask, don't follow stay at home and social distance strictly,
whatever your government doing is in waste.
But if your government don't respond fast and find out all of them for treatment and
isolations, still the same: this virus thing will just goes on and on and on and on and
At the end of the day, you may reach herd immunity (if this virus is that friendly: once
cured, never infected again, we are not sure about that since somebody already has two
strains of this virus in the body at the same time, which suggest something quite
In that case, there will be herd immunity gap between you strong survival guys who passed the
virus test and we the untested weaker ones who avoided the test by all means.
Who knows, you might win by lost the burden of the old the sick the weak the poor the
We may also win by guard our value and our people as an unity.
As for fundamental changes of life style and governing method. We didn't think much about
it before as we sincerely believed this would be a short term thing. We believed in ourselves
and expected everything back to normal in Apr. until you guys join this virus thing.
Now everything changed. Things become really complicated.
The US government incompetence as for mask stockpiling is just staggering. Will go into
textbooks about bureaucratic incompetence.
For a country with a trillion dollar military budget to have shorages of mask is really
Show Comment Republic
March 31, 2020 at 5:56 pm GMT
@AKAHorace Many Youtube videos address this issue regarding the making of masks
Furthermore, I tried to communicate the importance of recycling FFP2 masks, without any
success. It is a matter of life and death. These masks are considered for single use and staffs
throw them away too quickly. This is not the place to be technical, but I have proposed four
methods to recycle them and they must be implemented according to the sterilization equipment
available in hospitals, information that I have still not been able to obtain. We must educate
medical staff on how to extend the life of these masks and recycle them, today, the urgency is
The army, firefighters and probably the police have gas masks, which should not be left in
the barracks, they are even more effective than the FFP2. We do not care if it looks crazy to
see doctors with gas masks, I prefer to see them stay alive and able to care for patients, and
also it would prevent them from becoming vectors of spread themselves. How many gas masks,
which are cleanable and reusable, are available?
FFP2 masks for the population, a simple solution for returning to work.
To finish with the masks, let us understand that what will get us out of confinement,
lockdown, and will allow the population to resume almost normal work, is the massive production
of FFP2 masks for the entire population, small (children) and adults (adults). The faster the
necessary production tools are put in place, the faster Belgium can get back to work, it's
really that simple.
During the minimum 4 weeks of lockdown, massive screening is needed, and the establishment
of the task force is a step in the right direction. We cannot lift the lockdown until our
ability to track down infected individuals has been greatly increased.
At Vo'Euganeo in Italy, all the confined residents (3,300) were tested a month ago. Result:
out of 89 positive cases, there are only handful contaminations, reports La Voix du Nord. The
approach I propose works when you can combine lockdown and massive screening.
Show Comment Chinaman
March 31, 2020 at 8:42 am GMT
It was true yesterday, it is true today, it is enough to see how Taiwan, Hong Kong, and
Singapore handled the crisis from the start, and how China and South Korea recovered.
CountLess life could have been saved if white people just didn't have an illogical
aversion to masks.
Everyone wear masks in asia. Ironically, It is not the Chinese who is spreading it In
Asia. The people who are spreading the disease where I live are the white people returning
from overseas and refuse to wear masks. They should go back to wherever they come from.
these people should be physically assaulted for NOT wearing a mask in Asia like Asians are
assaulted in the West for wearing one.
This Indian doctor is skeptic.
Low income daily wage workers will most certainly be the ones most vulnerable to Corona,
regardless of age, if we do away with the lockdown too soon.
, Skyfall 1 day
ago , muralidhar r 1
day ago (edited)
The 1918-1920 Spanish Flu devastated India after infected WW1 Soldiers who returned to
India spread it by traveling in trains to reach their homes. A similar mass movement is going
on now by way of migrant workers.
The US government was caught without pants. No supply of masks. Can you imagine that for a country with trillion military budget.
"... Take a look around: Unemployment may reach 30%. The poor are starting to protest–actually strike! GM, Amazon, Chicago Teacher's
Union, GE, Instacart ..."
"... As jobs were outsourced to slave labor camps in China and elsewhere, the rich and privileged smiled as their portfolios grew,
as CEO raked in the cash and then buried it in off-shore accounts. ..."
"... When the working class complained about jobs being lost, factories being closed, it was told to get a better education, to
make itself valuable to the bosses. What a joke! ..."
"... The DNC always plays footsie with the rich as does the GOP–equal plunderers. Universal Health Care is just too expensive! Their
all monsters, crafty grifters. ..."
"... The mass media, now firmly serve the DNC and the GOP, studiously ignore this rot. A rotten building will fall. Times up. Game
is Over. ..."
The Covid-19 pandemic is the physical manifestation of a deeper disease plaguing the West: Class Warfare. The veil has been lifted.
Social distancing, a legitimate response to Covid-19, predominately affects the working class.
Fortunately, Covid-19 is an equal opportunity plague: As the rich and powerful congratulated each other, as they moved among the
rightfully adoring crowds oops, I think I caught something! Just hazards of the games they play. Certainly, it was never contracted
on the factory floor.
Suddenly the rich and privileged claim they are in the same boat. Really? Mega-yachts are handy get-aways, as are well-protected
And who is supposed to do the nasty work, who has little opportunity to run and hide, who must do the the work that makes actual
existence possible? Not the rich.
Who can work from home and not lose his or her job?
Rich and powerful women now have to cut their own nails! Oh, the shame of it. They have to dye their own hair–coif themselves!
What no colorist?
The rich and powerful want the poor to go back to work. Who else will make them money? Who else will save the Stock Market? Meanwhile,
the poor are losing their jobs; they do not have fall-back pensions or able to take advantage of Capital Gains. How will they pay
their rent? Their bills? Their healthcare? Their debts?
Take a look around: Unemployment may reach 30%. The poor are starting to protest–actually strike! GM, Amazon, Chicago Teacher's
Union, GE, Instacart
As jobs were outsourced to slave labor camps in China and elsewhere, the rich and privileged smiled as their portfolios grew,
as CEO raked in the cash and then buried it in off-shore accounts.
When the working class complained about jobs being lost, factories being closed, it was told to get a better education, to
make itself valuable to the bosses. What a joke!
When many tried to get an education, they were faced with absurd college costs, incredible debt, and thanks to those in control
an inability to declare bankruptcy! Thanks, Joe.
And now, ever thoughtful Nancy Pelosi wants to reward the rich and privileged with ta ta!.., a lifting of the Salt Cap.
The DNC always plays footsie with the rich as does the GOP–equal plunderers. Universal Health Care is just too expensive!
Their all monsters, crafty grifters.
Meanwhile, economists sang the praises of Free Trade. The GOP loved it; the DNC loved it. Neo-liberalism: the goose that always
lays the golden eggs.
The mass media, now firmly serve the DNC and the GOP, studiously ignore this rot. A rotten building will fall. Times up. Game
likbez , March 31, 2020 9:27 pm
Thank you Stormy,
A very good analysis. A lot of emotions too ;-)
When the working class complained about jobs being lost, factories being closed, it was told to get a better education,
to make itself valuable to the bosses. What a joke!
Neoliberalism is an ideology make on a set of myths. In other words this is a secular religion.
The DNC always plays footsie with the rich as does the GOP–equal plunderers. Universal Health Care is just too expensive!
Their all monsters, crafty grifters.
No question they are. That's by design. The key role of DNC is to squash political forces to the left of Clinton faction, and
to neutralize/coopt politicians which do not support the neoliberal/neocon consensus.
Meanwhile, economists sang the praises of Free Trade. The GOP loved it; the DNC loved it. Neo-liberalism: the goose that
always lays the golden eggs.
Neoliberal revolution which culminated in the election of Reagan (which started under Carter) was a coup d'état by financial
oligarchy. It signified that the New Deal consensus was broken and countervailing forces were weakened enough to ensure the success
of the coup.
One thing with which I respectfully disagree:
The mass media, now firmly serve the DNC and the GOP, studiously ignore this rot. A rotten building will fall. Times up.
Game is Over.
Not sure the game is over. I do not see powerful enough social forces that can oppose financial oligarchy. The anger does built
up, but it is powerless. And their control of the state is absolute (which also means the control of intelligence agencies).
The population is brainwashed and disunited via identity politics.
In modern USA society that means that any attempt to build such a coalition with be squashed by the national security state.
"... Ming Lin, an emergency room physician in Washington state, lost his job last week after he spoke to a local media outlet about the lack of protective gear for staff at Puget Sound area hospitals. ..."
US Health care systems have warned emergency room doctors and nurses that if they speak out about working conditions inside a
hospital, they will be fired, reported
Ming Lin, an emergency room physician in Washington state, lost his job last week after he spoke to a local media outlet about
the lack of protective gear for staff at Puget Sound area hospitals.
Hospital staff at the NYU Langone Health system were recently warned that if they spoke to the media without authorization, they
would be terminated.
"Hospitals are muzzling nurses and other health-care workers in an attempt to preserve their image," said Ruth Schubert, a spokeswoman
for the Washington State Nurses Association. "It is outrageous."
virus cases over 163,000 and 3,170 deaths , hospital systems across the country are seeing a massive influx of patients that
is straining the system.
Doctors and nurses "must have the ability to tell the public what is really going on inside the facilities where they are caring
for Covid-19 patients," Schubert said.
As we noted in January, a hospital doctor in Wuhan, China, the epicenter of COVID-19,
tried to inform the world about a fast-spreading disease. However, he was quickly silenced by the Chinese government, and since,
more than 800,000 people around the globe have been infected, with 39,000 deaths.
One reason that nurses and doctors must be informative about evolving conditions inside hospitals is that public donations of
medical equipment or gear could help out a local facility.
"It is good and appropriate for health-care workers to be able to express their own fears and concerns, especially when expressing
that might get them better protection," said Glenn Cohen, faculty director of Harvard Law School's bioethics center. Hospitals
are likely trying to limit reputational damage because "when health-care workers say they are not being protected, the public
gets very upset at the hospital system."
NYU Langone Health employees received notification last week that if they spoke with media, they would be "subject to disciplinary
action, including termination."
New York's Montefiore Health System requires doctors and nurses to get permission from superiors before speaking to the media.
"Associates are not authorized to interact with reporters or speak on behalf of the institution in any capacity, without pre-approval,"
according to the policy, which was seen by Bloomberg News.
Lauri Mazurkiewicz, a Chicago nurse at Northwestern Memorial Hospital, was fired after she told the hospital staff to wear more
"A lot of hospitals are lying to their workers and saying that simple masks are sufficient and nurses are getting sick and
they are dying," Mazurkiewicz said.
Doctors and nurses have also tweeted their frustrations with hospital systems – this has also led to some systems tightening the
noose on what employees can and cannot say on social media:
My babies are too young to read this now. And they'd barely recognize me in my gear. But if they lose me to COVID I want them
to know Mommy tried really hard to do her job.
-- Cornelia Griggs (@CorneliaLG)
#GetMePPE #NYC pic.twitter.com/OMew5G7mjK
March 29, 2020
Nisha Mehta, a radiologist from Charlotte, North Carolina, runs several Facebook groups for physicians. She says members in her
groups have reached out to her and want their stories told about working conditions:
"I'm hearing widespread stories from physicians across the country and they are all saying: 'We have these stories that we
think are important to get out, but we are being told by our hospital systems that we are not allowed to speak to the press, and
if we do so there will be extreme consequences," Mehta said.
America's hospital system could be cracking , like what happened in China and Italy. If everything were fine, doctors and nurses
wouldn't be flooding media outlets and social media platforms, warning the public about hospital conditions and or about how deadly
the virus is.
Likklemore , Mar 29 2020 19:26 utc |
Question, given his stance on COVID-19 why is he wearing a mask?
Bolsonaro calls coronavirus lockdown in Brazil's major cities a 'crime'
BRASILIA/SAO PAULO (Reuters) - President Jair Bolsonaro on Wednesday blasted as criminals
the governors and mayors of Brazil's largest states and cities for imposing lockdowns to
slow the coronavirus outbreak, as tensions with his health minister simmered.[.]
The death toll rose to 57 from 46 while confirmed cases rose to 2,433 from 2,201 the day
"Other viruses have killed many more than this one and there wasn't all this commotion,"
Bolsonaro told journalists. "What a few mayors and governors are doing is a crime. They're
Mostly likely Jair has a luxuriously stocked bunker in the mountains.
, Mar 29
2020 20:04 utc | vk
@ Posted by: Likklemore | Mar 29 2020 19:26 utc | 38
There's an open class struggle going on in Brazil right now.
After successfully destroying the left-wing, the Brazilian right-wing is again
On one side, there's Brazilian big business - the "center-right" ("centrists",
"moderates") - right now being led by São Paulo's governor, billionaire and playbody
João Doria, who's defending a full lockdown, whatever it takes to containg the
COVID-19 etc. etc. For context, São Paulo is still by far the richest State of Brazil,
and the Brazilian bourgeois'
Festung , to which they successfully fell back each time
the Worker's Party (PT) won the federal elections in 2002, 2006, 2010 and 2014 and launched a
counter attack that ultimately destroyed the PT and thus the Brazilian Left.
The Brazilian right will thus go where São Paulo leads them, and the main MSM, Rede
Globo (which is from Rio de Janeiro, because it is a relic of the military dictatorship era)
is also backing him.
On the other side, there's president Jair Bolsonaro himself. After losing support from big
business thanks to his failed economic policies, he's now trying to rally support from the
last chunk of his supporter base: the petit bourgeoisie and a good chunk of the
The center of the dispute lies into this: big business can afford to be at a two month
plus lockdown because they have the cash reserves necessary to do so, but small and medium
business do not. Big business wants to extend the lockdown the most possible because, by
wiping out small and medium business, a new vital space for capitalist expansion could open
up (akin to a mini post-war reconstruction). Small and medium businesses obviously don't want
that, so they are doubling down on the "it's just a flu"/"people die anyway" narrative in
order to force the working class to go back to work.
The working class is equally divided: the unionised workers have rights and can afford to
be in home quarantine, but the informal workers do not. Among the informal workers, there's
also a wide array of conditions: from those who have de facto some basic rights to those who
have absolutely none. Those who have no rights obviously want to go back to work, as that's
better than to starve to death.
JC , Mar 29 2020 22:43 utc |
Fren or Foe ? You decide after reading..... all especially the last one
"The National Interest".
Italy Must Never Forget...Or Forgive
Turkey blocks 200,000 face masks destined to Italy
In War Against Coronavirus: Is China Foe -- or Friend?
Realist , Mar 30 2020 0:10 utc |
China Fren or Foe? You decide after reading..... all especially the last one "The National
In War Against Coronavirus: Is China Foe -- or Friend?
Posted by: JC | Mar 29 2020 22:43 utc | 73
The "National Interest" is published be The Center for the National Interest
BOARD OF DIRECTORS
Henry Kissinger, Honorary Chairman
Maurice R. Greenberg, Chairman Emeritus
Drew Guff, Chairman
Richard Plepler, Vice Chairman
Dov Zakheim, Vice Chairman
Senator Pat Roberts
General Charles Boyd
Ambassador Richard Burt
Admiral Michael Mullen
Julie Nixon Eisenhower
Paul J. Saunders
Dimitri K. Simes
J. Robinson West
Hundreds of thousands of face masks intended for Italy to help with the coronavirus
emergency have been stuck since 3 March at Ankara airport. Turkey 's government has decided
that only the Minister of Health can allow the export of face masks to protect from coronavirus
and this authorisation has not arrived yet,
Corriere della Sera
The Italian embassy in Ankara is working to solve the problem. Italian PM Giuseppe Conte
also called on Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan to unlock the situation but without
any results. The face masks, which Italian company Comitec paid 670,000 euros to Turkish
company Ege Mask, were aimed at the hospitals in Pesaro and Rimini, two cities severely hit by
the virus. Comitec can not ask for a refund because the masks have been delivered but they are
stuck in the customs zone of Ankara's airport following the order of the Turkish
While blocking 200,000 masks for Italy, Turkey said it can produce around 50 million of face
masks in seven days thanks to 30 companies, and could provide almost the entire Italian
population with a face mask, the General manager of the Turkish producer Ege Mask said.
Therefore, producing the masks Turkey needs is not a problem for Ankara but its latest move
can be seen as yet another message of defiance to Europe .
Austria says anyone shopping will
have to wear face masks, bringing it in line with the neighbouring Czech Republic which, on March
18, ordered face masks be worn in public.
Masks will be supplied to supermarket retail chains
which will distribute them to shoppers as they enter stores.
The government cautioned that the masks do not protect wearers but are meant to prevent them
from spreading infectious cough droplets.
Highly recommended! Jokes aside, infection on family settings might lead to more severe outcomes, as virus load is higher.
In this sense, COVID-19 behaves a lot like seasonal flu. Common rooms often mean common
pathogens and higher dose of virus then from strangers. There are some indications that the
doze of virus that you get affects the severity of the disease.
Families are great places for socialization and provide a means to stay active and engaged,
but can serve as pathogenic petri dishes
Based on current research, it takes about 2 weeks between the onset of symptoms to the
clinical recovery of patients with a mild form of the disease
dennis , Mar 29 2020 17:12 utc |
Likklemore | Mar 29 2020 15:27 utc | 6
US prescient healthcare (for billionaires), this is the bomb that will detonate over the
Total Cost of Her COVID-19 Treatment: $34,927.43
If allowed to happen, and without the appearance of a significant medical therapy tool
across the USA - the fallout of foreseeable foreclosures will make it a nuclear weapon. Given
bank turnaround timescales this will be just in time for next winter/elections... Faced with
this Trump of all people may be forced to adopt some major socialist principles.
Circe , Mar 29 2020 20:03 utc |
So there are a lot of wacky theories out there. Here's mine and warning: I'm pissed at what
1. The way health industry workers including maintenance support personnel are carrying
the load on the front lines of this pandemic is UNSUSTAINABLE and inhumane both for staff and
patients. This story must be EXPOSED in every global hot spot.
2. This pandemic is a WAR, so let's attack it and behave like we are in the midst of a
3. All gloved hands must be on deck for this. Healthcare workers should not be burdened
and risking everything in the manner that we are starting to become aware of now in the West.
Why should they be subjected to such stress and burden and all the risk while millions of
ABLE-BODIED PEOPLE languish at home collecting a check for doing nothing. Where is the
government on balancing this chaotic, unjust situation?
4. There are many, many service jobs associated with healthcare and needs brought out by
this pandemic that don't involve close contact. The need is great.
5. Governments think the military can help in this crisis? Use it! Better to use them for
healing than killing.
6. Need more help? Then recruit college and university students without underlying health
conditions between the ages of 17 to 35. Hell, recruit from all healthy, able people under 50
7. No one should be languishing at home collecting free money while everyone working in
the healthcare service industry, and senior residences suffer 24/7 with crazy shifts getting
I know what I'm bitching about. Both my parents were afflicted with cancer a few years
apart. I practically lived my life in the hospital and witnessed need wherever I turned in
normal times and helped in whatever way I could through the entire ordeal. There is an aging
population crisis happening around us and everyone's acting like this is la-la land and who
8. This pandemic is emphasizing deficiencies everywhere in the system, especially moral
9. This pandemic is war, and many are needed on deck to end it! If able bodies want a free
ride, to collect a check and languish while others suffer...damn it...draft them or cut off
It's time to go above and beyond the clapping, already! Everyone should be
shouldering the need wherever they can.
It's time to organize and share in the work and responsibility involved.
dltravers , Mar 29 2020 20:20 utc |
Molecular test labs do not grow on trees nor are they conductive to mass large scale
Why It Takes So Long To Get Most COVID-19 Test Results
On April 21, 2011, the region of Amazon Web Services covering eastern North America crashed.
The crash brought down the sites of large customers such as Quora, Foursquare, and Reddit. It
took Amazon over a week to bring its system fully back online, and some customer data was lost
But one company whose site did not crash was Netflix. It turns out that Netflix had made
themselves "antifragile" by employing software they called "Chaos Monkey," which regularly and
randomly brought down Netflix servers. By continually crashing their own servers, Netflix
learned how to nevertheless keep other portions of their network running. And so when Amazon
US-East crashed, Netflix ran on, unfazed.
This phenomenon is discussed by Nassim Taleb in his book
Antifragile : a system that
depends on the absence of change is fragile. The companies that focused on keeping all of their
servers up and running all the time went completely offline when Amazon crashed from under
them. But the company that had exposed itself to lots of little crashes could handle the big
crash. That is because the minor, "undesirable" changes stress the system in a way that can
make it stronger.
The idea of antifragility does not apply only to computer networks. For instance, by trying
to eliminate minor downturns in the economy, central bank policy can make that economy
extremely vulnerable to a major recession. Running only on treadmills or tracks makes the
joints extremely vulnerable when, say, one steps in a pothole in the sidewalk.
What does this have to do with trade policy? For many reasons, such as the recent
coronavirus outbreak, flows of goods are subject to unexpected shocks.
Both a regime of "unfettered" free trade, and its opposite, that of complete autarchy, are
fragile in the face of such shocks. A trade policy aimed not at complete free trade or
protectionism, but at making an economy better at absorbing and adapting to rapid change, is
more sane and salutary than either extreme. Furthermore, we suggest practicing for shocks can
help make an economy antifragile.
Amongst academic economists, the pure free-trade position is more popular. The case for
international trade, absent the artificial interference of government trade policy, is
generally based upon the "principle of comparative advantage," first formulated by the English
economist David Ricardo in the early 19th century. Ricardo pointed out, quite correctly, that
even if, among two potential trading partners looking to trade a pair of goods, one of them is
better at producing both of them, there still exist potential gains from trade -- so long as
one of them is
relatively better at producing one of the goods, and the other (as a
consequence of this condition) relatively better at producing the other. For example,
Lebron James may be better than his local house painter at playing basketball, and at
painting houses, given his extreme athleticism and long reach. But he is so much more "better"
at basketball that it can still make sense for him to concentrate on basketball and pay the
painter to paint his house.
And so, per Ricardo, it is among nations: even if, say, Sweden can produce both cars and
wool sweaters more efficiently than Scotland, if Scotland is
relatively less bad at
producing sweaters than cars, it still makes sense for Scotland to produce only wool sweaters,
and trade with Sweden for the cars it needs.
When we take comparative advantage to its logical conclusion at the global scale, it
suggests that each agent (say, nation) should focus on one major industry domestically and that
no two agents should specialize in the
same industry. To do so would be to sacrifice the
supposed advantage of sourcing from the agent who is best positioned to produce a particular
good, with no gain for anyone.
Good so far, but Ricardo's case contains two critical hidden assumptions: first, that the
prices of the goods in question will remain more or less stable in the global marketplace, and
second that the availability of imported goods from specialized producers will remain
uninterrupted, such that sacrificing local capabilities for cheaper foreign alternatives.
So what happens in Scotland if the Swedes suddenly go crazy for yak hair sweaters (produced
in Tibet) and are no longer interested in Scottish sweaters at all? The price of those sweaters
crashes, and Scotland now finds itself with most of its productive capacity specialized in
making a product that can only be sold at a loss.
Or what transpires if Scotland is no longer able, for whatever reason, to produce sweaters,
but the Swedes need sweaters to keep warm? Swedes were perhaps once able to make their own
sweaters, but have since funneled all their resources into making cars, and have even lost the
knowledge of sweater-making. Now to keep warm, the Swedes have to rapidly build the
infrastructure and workforce needed to make sweaters, and regain the knowledge of how to do so,
as the Scots had not only been their sweater supplier, but the
only global sweater
So we see that the case for extreme specialization, based on a first-order understanding of
comparative advantage, collapses when faced with a second-order effect of a dramatic change in
relative prices or conditions of supply.
That all may sound very theoretical, but collapses due to over-specialization, prompted by
international agencies advising developing economies based on naive comparative-advantage
analysis, have happened all too often. For instance, a number of African economies, persuaded
to base their entire economy on a single good in which they had a comparative advantage (e.g,
gold, cocoa, oil, or bauxite), saw their economies crash when the price of that commodity fell.
People who had formerly been largely self-sufficient found themselves wage laborers for
multinationals in good times, and dependents on foreign charity during bad times.
While the case for extreme specialization in production collapses merely by letting prices
vary, it gets even worse for the "just specialize in the single thing you do best" folks once
we add in considerations of pandemics, wars, extreme climate change, and other such shocks. We
have just witnessed how relying on China for such a high percentage of our medical supplies and
manufacturing has proven unwise when faced with an epidemic originating in China.
On a smaller scale, the great urban theorist Jane Jacobs stressed the need for economic
diversity in a city if it is to flourish. Detroit's over-reliance on the automobile industry,
and its subsequent collapse when that industry largely deserted it, is a prominent example of
Jacobs' point. And while Detroit is perhaps the most famous example of a city collapsing due to
it is far from
the only one .
All of this suggests that trade policy, at any level, should have, as its primary goal, the
encouragement of diversity in that level's economic activity. To embrace the extremes of "pure
free trade" or "total self-sufficiency" is to become more susceptible to catastrophe from
changing conditions. A region that can produce only a few goods is fragile in the face of an
event, like the coronavirus, that disrupts the flow of outside goods. On the other hand,
turning completely inward, and cutting the region off from the outside, leaves it without
outside help when confronting a local disaster, like an extreme drought.
To be resilient as a social entity, whether a nation, region, city, or family, will have a
diverse mix of internal and external resources it can draw upon for sustenance. Even for an
individual, total specialization and complete autarchy are both bad bets. If your only skill is
repairing Sony Walkmen, you were probably pretty busy in 2000, but by today you likely don't
have much work. Complete individual autarchy isn't ever really even attempted: if you watch
YouTube videos of supposedly "self-reliant" people in the wilderness, you will find them using
axes, radios, saws, solar panels, pots and pans, shirts, shoes, tents, and many more goods
produced by others.
In the technical literature, having such diversity at multiple scales is referred to as
"multiscale variety." In a system that displays multiscale variety, no single scale accounts
for all of the diversity of behavior in the system. The practical importance of this is related
to the fact that shocks themselves come at different scales. Some shocks might be limited to a
town or a region, for instance local weather events, while others can be much more widespread,
such as the coronavirus pandemic we are currently facing.
A system with multiscale variety is able to respond to shocks at the scale at which they
occur: if one region experiences a drought while a neighboring region does not, agricultural
supplementation from the currently abundant region can be leveraged. At a smaller scale, if one
field of potatoes becomes infested with a pest, while the adjacent cows in pasture are spared,
the family who owns the farm will still be able to feed themselves and supply products to the
Understanding this, the question becomes how can trade policy, conceived broadly, promote
the necessary variety and resiliency to mitigate and thrive in the face of the unexpected?
Crucially, we should learn from the tech companies: practice disconnecting, and do it randomly.
In our view there are two important components to the intentional disruption: (1) it is regular
enough to generate "muscle memory" type responses; and (2) it is random enough that responses
are not "overfit" to particular scenarios.
For an individual or family, implementing such a policy might create some hardships, but
there are few institutional barriers to doing so. One week, simply declare, "Let's pretend all
of the grocery stores are empty, and try getting by only on what we can produce in the yard or
have stockpiled in our house!" On another occasion, perhaps, see if you can keep your house
warm for a few days without input from utility companies.
Businesses are also largely free of institutional barriers to practicing disconnecting. A
company can simply say, "We are awfully dependent on supplier X: this week, we are not going to
order from them, and let's see what we can do instead!" A business can also seek out external
alternatives to over-reliance on crucial internal resources: for instance, if your top tech guy
can hold your business hostage, it is a good idea to find an outside consulting firm that could
potentially fill his role.
When we get up to the scale of the nation, things become (at least institutionally)
trickier. If Freedonia suddenly bans the import of goods from Ruritania, even for a week,
Ruritania is likely to regard this as a "trade war," and may very well go to the WTO and seek
relief. However, the point of this reorientation of trade policy is not to promote hostility to
other countries, but to make one's own country more resilient. A possible solution to this
problem is that a national government could periodically, at random times, buy all of the
imports of some good from some other country, and stockpile them. Then the foreign supplier
would have no cause for complaint: its goods are still being purchased! But domestic
manufacturers would have to learn to adjust to a disappearance of the supply of palm oil from
Indonesia, or tin from China, or oil from Norway.
Critics will complain that such government management of trade flows, even with the noble
aim of rendering an economy antifragile, will inevitably be turned to less pure purposes, like
protecting politically powerful industrialists. But so what? It is not as though the pursuit of
free trade hasn't itself yielded perverse outcomes, such as the NAFTA trade agreement that ran
to over one thousand pages.
Any good aim is likely to suffer diversion as it passes
through the rough-and-tumble of political reality. Thus, we might as well set our sites on an
ideal policy, even though it won't be perfectly realized.
We must learn to deal with disruptions when success is not critical to survival. The better
we become at responding to unexpected shocks, the lower the cost will be each time we face an
event beyond our control that demands an adaptive response. To wait until adaptation is
necessary makes us fragile when a real crisis appears. We should begin to develop an
antifragile economy today, by causing our own disruptions and learning to overcome them.
Deliberately disrupting our own economy may sound crazy. But then, so did deliberately crashing
one's own servers, until Chaos Monkey proved that it works.
Gene Callahan teaches at the Tandon School of Engineering at New York University. Joe
Norman is a data scientist and researcher at the New England Complex Systems Institute. •
20 hours ago
Most disruptive force is own demographic change of which govts have known for decades.
Caronovirus challenge is nothing compared to what will happen because US ed system
discriminated against the poor who will be the majority!
12 hours ago
What Winston Churchill once said about the Americans is in fact true of all humans: "Americans
always end up doing
the right thing once they have exhausted all other options". That's just as true of the French
(I write from France) since our government stopped stocking a strategic reserve of a billion
breathing-masks in 2013 because "we could buy them in Chine for a lower costs". Now we can't
produce enough masks even for our hospitals.
By Marshall Auerback, a market analyst and commentator. Produced by Economy for All , a project
of the Independent Media Institute
When historians look back on our current government's response to a public health emergency
and resultant economic depression, there won't be many paeans to profiles in courage. It may
seem impressive that Congress has
worth $2 trillion to help sustain the American economy, but it's no New Deal. Rather it's a
massive economic slush fund that does its utmost to preserve the old ways of doing things under
the guise of masquerading as a response to a public health emergency. In reality, the relief
provisions are barely adequate.
Had this been another financial crisis like 2008, it is doubtful that America's oligarch
class would be able to secure such huge provision for themselves again. Under the guise of a
public health emergency, though, serial corporate predators are being given dollops from this
massive public trough with no means of engendering the kind of economic reconstruction that is
truly needed right now, or even preventing a sufficiently robust response if this virus comes
back in a second or third wave.
As one might expect in a massive bill (representing around 10 percent of U.S. GDP), there
are some decent scraps in this dog's breakfast, but overall the Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and
Economic Security Act represents yet another sad indictment of the American polity, even as it
provides an excellent civics lesson in teaching us where power truly lies. There's $150 billion
allocated to hospitals, many of which are already stretched to capacity, but that's nothing
compared to the trillions directed to corporations with minimal disclosure on how those sums
are to be allocated, or any conditionality attached. In fact, we appear not to have learned
some lessons from 2008, when at least some members of Congress made efforts to scrutinize how
we were spending the money. Pam and Russ Martens's superbly informative digging into the more
than 800-page-long bill
reveals that :
a) The Fed will leverage the bill's $454 million bailout slush fund into $4.5 trillion,
and will hand it out through the New York Fed.
b) To ensure that they don't have to answer embarrassing questions about which of their
cronies got the money, the bill suspends the Freedom of Information Act for the Fed.
has also confirmed that the NY Fed has outsourced picking the lucky recipients for this
slushy cornucopia to a private contractor, BlackRock, the world's largest asset manager
(Goldman Sachs apparently has done enough of "
God's work " this time). The more things change in Washington, the more they stay the
By contrast, the
provisions are barely adequate. They expand unemployment insurance (an additional $600 per
week for up to four months), feature one-time direct payments to Americans of $1,200 per adult
making up to $75,000 a year, and $2,400 to a married couple making up to $150,000, with $500
payments per child. However, the bill neither addresses the chronic inequality that now
characterizes the U.S. economy, nor is there provision for the self-employed or the millions of
independent contractor workers who have no employee benefits.
A better template would have been something along the lines of what was legislated in
Norway, although it is unrealistic to expect a U.S. Senate dominated by hardline Republicans to
acquiesce to something proposed by a Scandinavian social democracy.
highlighting the contrast, Norwegian journalist Ellen Engelstad writes : "Workers put on
leave will now get full pay for twenty days (an improvement even on the pre-coronavirus
situation), but employers will only cover the first two days, while the rest will be paid by
the state. After that period, a worker on leave will receive 80 percent of their previous
salary, up to [about $29,000] a year, and 62.4 percent of everything they received on top of
So long as we continue to embrace a lockdown strategy, generous relief is key to securing
widespread support for its maintenance. It will become politically impossible to sustain a
government-mandated lockdown where workers are forced to stay at home, absent some income
support to facilitate compliance with that order. So it is good that the government has also
recognized that this relief had to take the form of grants, not loans, because additional
private debt assumption would exacerbate long-term economic distress. The provision of $350
billion in "forgivable loans" to businesses are in reality grants, as these "loans" will be
forgiven if the businesses targeted maintain payroll. That's precisely the kind of
conditionality that should be attached to the relief provisions.
There will undoubtedly be other measures required once the scale of the economic fallout
becomes clearer. But when we get past relief packages and move toward taking the economy out of
its current cryogenically frozen state, the U.S. government must engage in a broader effort of
reconstruction so as to finally make this an economy that works for all. Policy should not
simply be about getting people back into resorts, malls or restaurants, or exhorting mass
consumption as a patriotic duty (
as George W.
Bush suggested after 9/11 ). Rather, we should be focused on ramping up mass-production
essential goods such as food, as well support for the health care systems via expansion of
testing kits, surgical masks, ventilators and palliative care, not only for this crisis, but
also to ensure that the system is not overwhelmed in the event of future pandemics (or a
possible recurrence of this one as we return to work and reintegrate with one another). It also
goes without saying that we should also expend vast sums on research and development to find
treatments and a vaccine, as well as rapid training of new medical workers. Substantial
increases in funding to the National Institutes of Health would be a good place to start.
As for conditionality, a case has been made that a force majeure "Act of God"
is not the time to play a "game of chicken" and impose major conditions for aid ,
especially as it is government policy itself that has precipitated the crisis. On the other
hand, political realities and historic precedent suggest that crisis conditions are the only
time one gets dramatic reforms; otherwise the elites regain their balance and suppress them (as
occurred after 2008). Plus, there are corporate bailout recipients in this bill, such as
Boeing, that were
heading toward a death spiral , even before the epidemic.
Let's also make clear distinctions here: An "Act of God" argument was
invoked in 2008 . That financial crisis was described as a "once in a 50-year event,"
something that couldn't have been planned for or insured against, etc. This was a lie. The
banks were not blameless, and there was causation between the crash and their behavior. But
Wall Street's bad actors weren't punished. There were, however, a lot of blameless victims who
were and are still paying a price. They didn't receive compensation and received pain and
punishment as if they were responsible, when they were in fact collateral damage.
In many respects, this crisis is even worse. We may not have a financial contagion, but we
have a physical contagion that is literally exposing us to
conditions comparable to the 1930s . But unlike the 1930s or, indeed, the 2008 global
financial contagion, policymakers have a twin task with seemingly incompatible goals: stopping
the spread of the virus in many ways exists in tension with the need to arrest the indirect
economic fallout from the pandemic. The longer the economic restrictions apply to eliminate the
health risk, the greater the economic fallout, which is precisely the dilemma President Trump
exposed (in his typically inelegant way), when he signaled
his desire to restart the U.S. economy by mid-April .
Trump's public musings were rightly denounced. His moral calculus is skewed; this president
is transparently consumed by the desire to safeguard his narrow economic interests and the
presidency (along with the fact that he
stripped public health
agencies of the staffing, resources, and authority they needed to function ). A serious
president would send teams of epidemiologists to study other countries' success models, and
adopt them. Instead, Trump is literally gambling with the lives of potentially millions of
people as he tries to place this bet on an Easter miracle. Unlike Jesus, those lives lost won't
be resurrected, even if the economy ultimately revives.
Beyond that is the question of how best to assist businesses paralyzed for the sake of
public health. This is perhaps the most politically loaded part of the process when it comes to
assessing how far we go in terms of changing the behavior of our corporate sector versus the
notion of simply compensating businesses for losses sustained by an action deemed to be a
public health emergency.
Oren Cass, executive director of the soon-to-be-launched think tank
American Compass , has made the case for compensating
businesses on the basis of
the takings clause of the U.S. Constitution , which states that "private property [shall
not] be taken for public use, without just compensation." Establishing "just compensation" is
often in the eye of the beholder, and Cass suggests that a just principle is compensating
businesses for the fixed costs they would normally incur in the event that they were
able to function as normal operating concerns (as opposed to making estimates of likely
profitability and compensating on that basis). The goal is clearly to avoid providing unfair
windfalls but to keep businesses solvent until they reopen.
On the other hand, one of the principal complaints directed against the bailouts granted
(especially to the banks) in 2008 is that bad corporate actors who were responsible for
creating the crisis were given money with no strings attached. In that regard, the bailouts not
only allowed them to revive profitability quickly (as the status quo ante was restored), but
also actively lobbied against any kind of regulation to prevent a recurrence of the activities
that created the crash in the first place.
The lessons many drew from the experience was that the only time to extract concessions and
induce changes in behavior from bad corporate actors is at a time when they are economically
vulnerable, even if the precipitating cause of that vulnerability was the government-mandated
shutdown of the economy. It is impossible to remake an economy if, for example, corporate
bailouts are used to perpetuate behavior that undermines economic prosperity. While the
Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security Act does introduce some restrictions on buybacks
and limiting stock dividends, it "avoids the more restrictive language that was included in the
House version of the legislation,"
according to Defense News .
Many are trying to distinguish this bailout from 2008 (i.e., this time is a non-economic
shock, something that couldn't have been planned for or insured against; businesses that are
failing right now are doing so through no fault of their own and they're still good/healthy
businesses), because saying "this is just how creative destruction works" is clearly untenable
right now. In reality, the collapse in aggregate demand caused by the 2008 financial crisis
arguably was just as exogenous to the consumer economy. Fatuous distinctions to justify further
corporate predation simply provide another illustration that what we had before the coronavirus
pandemic clearly was not working for most people. The truth is that for decades we've had a
hollowing out of democracy, and a massive expansion of wealth inequality accompanied by
Mussolini-style crony capitalism.
During the Great Depression, legislation was implemented to prevent a recurrence of the
1920s bubble. Roosevelt's New Deal did not legislate to restore the status quo ante but rather
to create a very different sort of economy.
Under the cover of a public health emergency, however, the so-called "new normal" is looking
a lot like the old normal. This bill gives the pigs yet another big feed at the public trough,
and Congress is happily ladling out the goodies. Much like the 1930s, then, the very legitimacy
of liberal capitalist democracy is at stake. Unfortunately, there does not appear to be an FDR
ready to lead us in this acute moment of need.
, Nicholas Crowley
March 28, 2020 at 6:25 am
Last week I was unable to apply for unemployment in my state, Hawaii, because I am self
employed. I get kicked out of the application process after the first few qualifying
questions in the online application process. Today, it went straight through. You make
yourself your own ex employer and that's it. I'm assuming this has to do with this federal
package. On a side note I am one of many self employed registered legal tour guide operators
in the state that rely heavily on visitors and all of us are up in arms that somehow this
bill is also going to give money to Uber and Lyft drivers who are not even legal in the
state. Only partially in the county of Oahu.
March 28, 2020 at 9:54 am
I did something similar during the GFC.
I have a C Corp in Calif with myself as the only employee.
I applied for UI and received it for about a year.
However, my contribution rate ramped up and my rating declined to F. Still worth it.
Calif also borrowed a lot of money from the Feds last time and had to pay it back.
Employers were assessed a portion each year. Finally repaid after 5 or so years.
, john bougearel
March 28, 2020 at 7:22 am
Rep Thomas Massey did some math. $2T from congress, and $4T from Feds so far = $68,000 per
family of new Nat'l debt and dollar devaluation. Yet each household is likely to see only
about $3000 of that $68000. Massey may have a point, perhaps there is just a tinge of
maldistribution afoot here. And isn't that always the case in Crisis Capitalism, to never let
a good crisis go to waste? Just maybe they could be doing a better job in the distribution of
While many things were discussed about Covid and the Covid Recovery plan on Friday, what
struck me was a reference to this stimulus bill that this is our Marshall Plan. While that
sounds good, is it really? And another thing that struck me was how many striking
similarities there are.
The final striking observation was Pelosi et al reminding us, that this is not the last
stimulus bill that will be related to stimulating an economic recovery. In short, what
Pelosi's telling us this is the prefatory Helicopter monies from our new "Helicopter Avenging
Angels." Economist Murray Rothbard told a story about an angel looking down at the woes of
mankind and decided that everyone would feel better if they all had an extra $1000. So, that
is what the angel did, deposited $1000 into everyones bank account one night. Next morning,
everyone woke up to an extra $1000. Those that spent it first on goods benefited most. Those
that waited to spend it, got less bang for their buck bc the cost of goods rose.
So, it is with this stimulus story littered with maldistribution. Velocity of money in an
economy increases most and therefore GDP or gross output if it is in the hands of households
Over the past 12 yrs or so, fiscal and monetary stimulus packages have been referred to as
bazookas. Today, they have mushroomed into "Nukes." And the Nukes, themselves, are
If Pelosi is right, this will not be the last stimulus bill relating to coronavirus, then
this is not far from what happened with the Marshall Plan. The 1947-48 Marshall Plan was
replaced by the Mutual Security Plan in 19951. The MSP plan was extended from 1951-1961. The
MSP plan gave away about $7.5 billion annually until 1961 when it was replaced by yet another
program – he United States Agency for International Development (USAID). The USAID is
now one of the largest official aid agencies in the world, and accounts for more than half of
all U.S. foreign assistance -- the highest in the world in absolute dollar terms.
In short, the Marshall Plan kept transmuting itself into something new. Until it became a
And it is not so different than the Federal Reserve's QE programs or other so-called
"temporary" facilities that somehow are resurrected, transmuted or whatever. But somehow,
these programs mange to live on like zombies.
Zombie, Zombie, Zombie. They are fighting, With their tanks and their bombs, And their
bombs and their guns.
It's the same old theme since the 1947 Marshall Plan
In your head, in your head, Their still fighting,
With their tanks and their bombs And their bombs and their guns
But I digress.
The question then becomes, how well did the Marshall Plan work to generate economic
growth. According to Marshall Plan's own accounting, the MP only accounted for an increase of
less than ½% of GDP growth a year. That ain't much folks! So be prepared to be
underwhelmed! Very underwhelmed.
And this is precisely why our policymakers will be back with more and more stimulus
..mushrooming their bazookas into Nukes, and Nukes into what? Death Stars next?
The cost of the Marshall Plan (officially the European Recovery Program, ERP) resulted in
the United States transference of over $12 billion (equivalent to over $128 billion as of
2020) in economic recovery programs to Western European economies after the end of World
War II. During the four years the plan was in effect, the United States donated $17 billion
(equivalent to $202.18 billion in 2019)
Despite the billions of dollars each year thrown at the EU recovery the Marshall Plan
which transmuted into the Mutual Security Plan, these plans have apparently contributed
little to the EU economic recovery.
Over the past 12 years, central banks and gov'ts have thrown trillions of dollars at the
fiscal system, and yet our financial and monetary system still doesn't function properly.
Their solution: throw trillions more at the most recent crisis du jour. TINA baby! Surely
with their Nuclear-sized Stimulus Package, this will solve and repair everything.
But perhaps, under a crisis capitalism, the aim is to ensure a crisis never goes to waste.
So perhaps, the aim of these stimulus programs is never to fix the broken window. Only to
give the appearance the window is being fixed. If you actually fixed the broken window, then
there would be no need to perpetually repeat these stimulus programs that can be so damn
self-serving to those closest to the monies. Then where would Nancy and her Cohorts be?
The Covid Bill our Marshall Plan are fiscal responses to disasters. To this extent, they
both that into the context of French Economist Frederic Bastiat's Parable of the Broken
"Ce qu'on voit et ce qu'on ne voit pas" ("That Which We See and That Which We Do Not See")
to illustrate why destruction, and the money spent to recover from destruction, is not
actually a net benefit to society.The parable seeks to show how opportunity costs, as well as
the law of unintended consequences, affect economic activity in ways that are unseen or
ignored. The belief that destruction is good for the economy is consequently known as the
broken window fallacy or glazier's fallacy. And yet, destruction of the economy can be quite
beneficial to the "first financial responders" to the destruction of the economy.
My apologies Yves, I should have forwarded this to you as a separate post. Feel free to
post if you like
March 28, 2020 at 10:37 am
Thanks for the informative comment. I'm not surprised to know that the Marshall Plan
resulted in an increase of less than 1/2 % of GDP growth. I assume that you're referring to
the GDP of Europe.
I contend that the billions doled out via the Marshall Plan helped the FInancial institutions
and later, since we had destroyed all of the manufacturing facilities in Europe, it helped
all large US corporations who had a ready made market in Europe.
, Susan the other
March 28, 2020 at 10:59 am
What an interesting comment. From my perspective – long time observer of things
never working properly – I think the Covid Crisis is just another example of the
pointless but dedicated pursuit of profits – unless of course there is a "Treasury"
willing to provide any and all shortfall to each and every private profiteer. Then it works
in a very wasteful and illogical manner. It requires also bailing out the hapless consumers
occasionally. Somehow I think we could do better.
, john bougearel
March 28, 2020 at 11:51 am
I don't see the powers that be as anxious to fix the broken windows. They want the broken
windows to remain broken so they can continue to throw bazookas and nukes through them.
And I wonder,. and I think you too need to wonder why the Marshall Plan became the Mutual
Security Plan after 1951. Presumably, the rapid EU economic recovery no longer necessitated
the Marshall Plan. Facing an existential crisis as such, the Marshall Plan had to morph into
some other purpose, such as "Mutual Security" to keep access to those slush funds alive and
, Susan the other
March 28, 2020 at 3:20 pm
I'd say off the top it is because neoliberal capitalism cannot withstand competition from
democracy – good social democracy. So we morphed into the policeman of the world and
pretended like we were critical to the cause of a failing economic ideology. It has never
worked and it has gradually become nonsense because we are continuously forced to save
society. No matter that we never to a good job of it – we still do it to insure
profits. I'd be more upset about it except for the fact that it is so transparently absurd
and I like to think it proves it own uselessness. What more do we need?
March 28, 2020 at 8:24 pm
I'm no expert on the Marshall plan but as a European I get the impression it was much
appreciated. From the US' point of view though it had a geopolitical purpose. By getting
Europe on its economic feet again it fended off the threat of Communism and created a
customer for US exports. The Plan's successors are also primarily aimed at maintaining and
extending US hegemony, they are merely dressed up as charity.
March 28, 2020 at 1:56 pm
I think the primary problem over the past decade is the assumption that the wealthy need
to be returned/maintained to their wealthy to trickle the wealth down. That clearly has not
been working efficiently.
So I am a fan of saving companies that are stable in the absence of major crisis, but
require large-scale management changes, and dramatically scale back executive compensation
for several years. If the executives can find a better job with better pay in an un-bailed
out company, they should take it. If the company would clearly have gone under due to massive
debt-loads, then a pre-package bankruptcy like GM with the government holding equity in the
final company should be the route.
The financial cries are simply creating bigger and bigger TBTF companies that can build up
debt again to fund shareholder buybacks until they get bailed out by the Fed and Treasury.
That cycle needs to stop. The country worked fine when there were many companies competing
with each other.
March 28, 2020 at 3:48 pm
This coronavirus relief act expands TBTF. It's not just the big banks and other
finance/insurance/real estate corporations anymore. It seems to be about protecting financial
wealth wherever it resides. It's moral hazard writ large. Why behave prudently if the Fed has
I agree with "saving companies that are stable in the absence of major crisis, but require
large-scale management changes, and dramatically scale back executive compensation for
several years", and "if the company would clearly have gone under due to massive debt-loads,
then a pre-package bankruptcy like GM with the government holding equity in the final company
should be the route."
The government could enact an automatic stabilizer program to cover furloughed worker
wages during economic crises while employers continued to cover fixed costs and worker
benefits such as health insurance. Large corporations could be managed to cover theses things
if required to.
Even better, pass M4A and take employee health insurance off their books.
, Charles D Myers
March 28, 2020 at 7:50 am
Why does the Uber/Lyft bailout have to be funded by workers who have put money into
If they want to bail out the gig economy they should have said straight up we are bailing
The States have to come up with the funding for the unemployed. So you can bet there will
be a shortfall.
Why does the gig economy always takes but never give?
The biggest problem is laid off employees getting thru to the unemployment agencies.Then
they throw millions of Uber/Lyft drivers to clog up the Queue.
, Brooklin Bridge
March 28, 2020 at 8:18 am
I'm wondering what AOC did or didn't do re this package? A lot has been said about
Sanders, but I'm fuzzy on AOC. I can't imagine she liked the thing. Did she have any way of
throwing a stick in in it?
March 28, 2020 at 8:41 am
AOC is an actor -- an Obama for the new generation.
March 28, 2020 at 10:39 am
Will she be eligible for the Best Actress Award?
March 28, 2020 at 6:26 pm
that would "explain" her previous incumbent, a most malignant connected big money DNC
machine pol, "stepping aside" for her. Watch out. Likely future Manchurian afoot. (Like
March 28, 2020 at 10:00 am
Pelosi ordered a voice vote, not a recorded vote. There's no way to know how any Rep.
voted. They can say they voted yea or nay, but there's no proof.
, Brooklin Bridge
March 28, 2020 at 5:18 pm
Thanks, not surprised.
, John Wright
March 28, 2020 at 7:27 pm
Here is a definition of a voice vote:
"A vote in which the presiding officer states the question, then asks those in favor and
against to say "Yea" or "Nay," respectively, and announces the result according to his or her
judgment. The names or numbers of senators voting on each side are not recorded."
If this bill was so G*d d**n important and potentially costly for the country it would
seem that courageous politicians would have WANTED their wise and considered yea/nay votes
known to their constituents.
I can see a voice vote for something trivial like a Proclamation of National Highway
Appreciation Day, but not something this consequential.
Preserving the option of telling constituents in the future "I (voice) voted against this
package" is hardly a profile in courage.
March 28, 2020 at 11:47 am
"What did the Senate majority fight for?!" Ocasio-Cortez asked. "One of the largest
corporate bailouts with as few strings as possible in American history. Shameful! The greed
of that fight is wrong for crumbs for our families."
Pelosi dallies on instituting remote voting, thereby strengthening her own powers and that
of the House leadership. AOC, like everyone else in the House, had to participate in a "voice
, Bobby Gladd
March 28, 2020 at 8:42 am
The Mnuchin Opaque Autonomy
Act of 2020 ."
There. Fixed the title.
March 28, 2020 at 9:00 am
I simply can not understand where $4T is going to go! As we here know, inanimate objects
do not have agency. I demand to know whose pockets are about to be lined.
Another observation: As each "crisis" becomes more expensive, there appear to be
additional lined pockets.
March 28, 2020 at 10:40 am
first and foremost they saved the bond market i think . Powell has already used 4 trillion
for "liquidity" whatever that means I have no working knowledge of economics so I don't begin
to understand what any of it means except that we got family-blogged again.
March 28, 2020 at 9:21 am
You know, there is common ground amongst and between the AOCs and Massies of the world. It
is time to build those bridges.
March 28, 2020 at 10:04 am
The flu kills between 12,000 to 30,000 a year in the U S. Every year. In 30 some years of
adulthood, I know 1 person that died of pneumonia in their 60s. When the confinement is over
and people look around and ask around and can't name anybody they personally know who was
affected with anything more than a cold????
I hope this whole thing isn't just hysterics because that would not be a positive sign of
March 28, 2020 at 10:50 am
Knowing our politicians it's probably a lot of hysterics. The DimRats have been fooling
their diehards with Russia! Russia! Russia! Now it's time to use CV to pay back their
corporate supporters while throwing a few crumbs to their loyal followers with the chant
Econmy! Economy! Economy!
March 28, 2020 at 1:17 pm
What are you talking about? Have you not been reading all the experts' reports on exactly
how dangerous this disease is? Have you not seen the pictures and stories coming from Spain
and Italy with morgues and trucks full of bodies? Have you not read the stories of medical
personnel and hospitals being overwhelmed by this pandemic? How many have to die for this to
matter to you? Sorry to be blunt but you lack of concern is frankly shocking. (P.S. I have a
kid on the front line of this disaster and we are very very worried for him)
March 28, 2020 at 2:11 pm
I keep hearing, mostly from people I know, how the CV is not much more than a way
over-publicized version of the common cold or flu. I would counter that the common cold or
even the annual flu pandemic does not threaten to entirely overwhelm the health care system
of the countries and regions it infects. See Lombardy and New York, for example. Clearly, in
terms of the seriousness of its symptoms anyway, the CV is pretty far beyond the flu.
March 28, 2020 at 3:18 pm
It's up to 700+ deaths in NY.
When do you think we should have taken these measures to slow the virus? When it hit 1000?
5000? 30,000? Tell me a number that you will be ok with so that we can hit that, then we can
hit the emergency button.
The problem with this virus is that it hits the healthcare system all at once, and they
have to choose who lives and dies Would you like to be chosen to live or die based upon an
March 28, 2020 at 6:29 pm
I don't think it's hysterics, but "was it planned" is a good question: operation
"They" are not done with it yet, a mass fear op like this is too good to leave without
milking further. THIS will be "THE" anchor event for the NEXT 20+ years of "policy". Mark my
word. The top can not leave this gold.
March 28, 2020 at 10:11 am
About that Republican $500 billion corporate bailout slush fund the Dems said they won
Trump Axed Congressionally-Mandated Pandemic Recovery Oversight with Stimulus Bill Signing
In a signing
statement, the president undermined a key safeguard Democrats had insisted upon as a
condition of approving $500 billion in corporate relief in the $2 trillion law.
, Susan the other
March 28, 2020 at 11:09 am
Could we ask for better proof that neoliberal capitalism not only doesn't work, it's a
catastrophe all by itself. And nobody is saying a word about it. That will come later in
disguised language just as the money is going out now in disguised give-aways.
March 28, 2020 at 11:48 am
And nobody is saying a word about it
Rule #1. Don't mess with a dog that's not barking
There will be a price to pay for this, and I don't think the robot dogs will be up to the
March 28, 2020 at 10:54 am
The population of Italy is (or was) 60.8 million. As of this morning, 9,134 Italians have
died – and the disease hasn't crested yet. The population of the United States is 327.2
million. If our experience is similar to theirs (and with the 'leadership' exhibited by Trump
and the US Congress it looks like it might be worse), we can anticipate 49,155
That sure doesn't sound like "just hysterics" to me.
March 28, 2020 at 11:07 am
A normal and expected season then.
March 28, 2020 at 12:03 pm
Please spit out the kool-aid. You're ignoring the magnitudes faster pace of this pandemic,
as well as the fact that it falls on top of our regular flu season, not to mention other
medical emergencies. If you have time to spread misleading information, please consider doing
your homework and helping share helpful facts.
March 28, 2020 at 12:30 pm
hermeneut: Thank you. Naked Capitalism has had an informal policy against agnotology,
which is culturally induced ignorance or doubt.
I see it often on the larger WWW, where facts regularly are gummed to death by the
self-ignorant among us.
The coronavirus is producing death rates that are orders of magnitude above the flu's
death rate estimated at 0.01 percent. Coronavirus is wildly contagious compared to the flu.
Further, we don't know its long-term effects on anyone. People think that children may not be
affected–until we have a spate of lung disease ten years from now.
Upthread, there are a couple of agnotologists discussing how they don't know anyone who
has died of the flu or pneumonia. They must not get out much. Pneumonia is a co-factor in
many deaths, so much so that doctors call it the old man's friend, old person's friend.
Pneumonia means falling asleep and not waking up in the morning.
March 28, 2020 at 1:12 pm
I was responding to stevens' 49K calculation. Please take issue with his comment. I fully
expect the mortality rate to increase beyond seasonal averages due to additional and more
March 28, 2020 at 2:48 pm
what was misleading there? Trying to understand this the number of flu deaths wasnt that
high or ?
March 28, 2020 at 12:14 pm
Yep, China enacted unprecedented lockdown measures just for fun. Good call buddy
, Travis Bickle
March 28, 2020 at 12:17 pm
Ah, someone who wasn't paying attention to their lessons. Unlike flu there is no vaccine
and the population is essentially a virgin host. Some people may be able to slough it off,
but it'll be by happenstance, and they'll still be carriers.
Hence, the progress of the disease will be exponential, less the temporary suppression and
mitigation you can see in countries like China and South Korea. The economic cost of these
measures will eventually be too much, they'll have to ease off, and the disease will take off
again. If you want to track the various countries "score" as this inevitability unfolds, go
As to your "calculations", this disease will have its way and will need to run its course.
It will increase exponentially and circle back in successive waves until the available supply
of hosts has been exhausted or developed immunity. In the aggregate, the US will meet its
wave in < a week, but every community will be hit at a different time depending on all
sort so things; Italy has only really taken a significant hits in a few provinces and the fun
for them is yet to come. The infection is just now gaining traction in the rest of Italy due
to effective mitigation and the WAVE of casualties is yet to come, as soon as they raise
All this money being spent is just buying time and lining pockets. This is not a two hour
movie, where Brad Pitt has a blaze of insight and cooks up a cure for the zombie apocalypse
in a busy afternoon.
March 28, 2020 at 1:06 pm
This is ever so cool! Thank you!
track the various countries "score" as this
March 28, 2020 at 1:57 pm
> . . . The economic cost of these measures will eventually be too much, they'll have
to ease off, and the disease will take off again.
I agree and a link from the links page illustrates that.
Shuts Down All Cinemas, Again Hollywood Reporter
On further reflection (I have a comment on this post that is either in moderation or
disappeared) it seems that the pittance to workers with the right paperwork is to give the
appearance of doing something but ultimately it is to starve people into submission, so that
getting back to making money for the billionaires becomes the only alternative.
March 28, 2020 at 2:30 pm
It taking off again is what I fear when I imagine what's likely to occur down the road.
Trump is right at least when he points out that eventually we'll all have to return to work.
Otherwise the economy will collapse completely, leaving us in some kind of Mad Max chaos.
Eventually. So, what happens when the voluntary lock-down is lifted, whether that be Easter
or a month or 2 or 3 later? If this thing is not completely eliminated by then will it not
just roar right back and we'll be in the same situation we find ourselves in currently, only
most of us even more precarious, financially? I can't seem to puzzle our current strategy out
in my mind without finding a horribly disastrous outcome at the end.
It seems, then, like fairly severe social distancing is mandated by circumstance way into
the future. If that's the case, then our previous ways of living, I mean a great deal of it,
all or the casual gathering and traveling around we've been accustomed to is dead, whether we
realize it now, or not. What the heck does this mean? What do we do with a good part of our
work-force and many if not most of our small business owners? I ask these questions without
any reasonable or acceptable answers in mind.
, Travis Bickle
March 28, 2020 at 3:47 pm
..Here's the deal:
We are collectively going to have to take our licks here, painful though it will be,
sooner or later. Countries which have managed to keep things tamped down, for the moment
only, need to use that time to refine their hospital procedures and re-supply to save as many
as they can when the lid has to be taken off. That means having triage protocols in place for
COVID-19, as well as everyone else who comes in the door. Refer to the graphic in appendix B
of the Imperial College forecast for the US. Hospitals are going to be overwhelmed in any of
their scenarios, although every locality will have its encounter at at different time and the
precise circumstances will vary.
The initial UK strategy of angling for "herd immunity' was roundly ridiculed and
sheepishly withdrawn, but it was and is the only logical course. The disease simply doesn't
give a whit about the "But, but, but, but every life is priceless whinning" of those who
cannot face the reality. There is a BIG culling on the way, and all those Red State
denialisms, and sanctimonious bigots at Liberty University are going to get a big dose of
this, along with everyone else. This wave is coming, and all that can really be done is to
delay it, which may reduce the pain in a given locality, depending on their unique
circumstances and if the local authorities do their job right. This will be a battle fought
on a thousand hills (a thousand public health settings), and some will do better or worse
than others, even as the timing of the wave will vary for each: take notes on what is only
now beginning to happen in NYC, and how events unfold over the next month or two there. This
story will not be over by the eleven o'clock news or even next weekend.
Taking it up-front DOES help preserve the economy, allowing for recovery afterwards, and
that's key. Otherwise, we start drifting toward the Mad Max scenario alluded to above. Even
now, how are all the bodies going to be taken care of? Healthcare staff is already dying, and
staffs can be expected to desert as events unfold in NYC and elsewhere. All the support
people who make things work with their marginal salaries are noble, but stupid, if they stick
around those places, which are nothing but huge disease vectors. Then there's the food supply
chain, etc, etc, etc
Anyway we go this movie is not going to end well, and it won't end next week or even next
month. The disease will keep on coming back around until there is nobody left for it grab
hold of: meaning either there is a vaccine or herd immunity (usually thought of as 60-70% of
the population having had its brush with the thing).
March 28, 2020 at 7:41 pm
As a Californian, "Red State denialisms, and sanctimonious bigots at Liberty University"
is an extremely unfair appellation given that I can see the same here in the Uber-Blue San
Francisco Bay Area.
While the improved efficiencies of the medical services are not
quite as deep as in
the Red areas of California and in other states, the bigotry is just as strong. Only the
targets are changed. The deplorables, the poor, conservatives, and, of course, the homeless
tend to be fair game.
An infectious disease like COVID19 doesn't care about anything except reproduction and is
taking advantage of our situation; both political parties have been quite happy hollowing out
our nation-state condemning our nation to needless mass deaths and country's government to
possible collapse in fealty to the wealthy and in increasing the size of their personal bank
March 28, 2020 at 3:21 pm
Here is a
link to a paper just made public by the University of Washington, Institute for Health
Metrics and Evaluation. It's predicting Washington's peak at around April 14th. Also, they
evaluate each state, calculate its peak, and list the its available hospital beds and ICU
beds and note the estimated shortfalls (as well as shortfalls in ventilators) at peak.
Looking at their projections for New York State, one can understand Governor Cuomo's
, Travis Bickle
March 28, 2020 at 4:03 pm
For some reason your link didn't work, I found it with a quick google search and it really
is quite worthwhile:
All the credible studies I've reviewed in their own way have supported the essential
thesis of the Imperial College curve, and this is no exception.
March 28, 2020 at 5:06 pm
adjustable parameters for the pandemic and resolution down to county level in many states of
the US. Of course we can expect patient transport between at least counties if not states
until ICUs are saturated. Very sobering to see how long this may play out. Cases and outcomes
are plotted too.
March 28, 2020 at 6:42 pm
I ran a regression with Governor Cuomo's numbers (for NY State); Between March 3rd to
March 23rd was the confirmed raw data, before extrapolating; a social isolation program was
begun on the March 20th, so the data is pure "natural" "do nothing" dynamics; I fit the curve
to the data, and it showed 100% of NY State population affected by April 12th. The data
showed a slope co-efficient of 1.46 every day (46% increase in new cases every day).
R-squared for the fit: 96% (yes, rather high, which tells me this virus rolls out like
clockwork). However, we learn, even in Wuhan, a hard lockdown took two-three weeks to "begin
to bend the curve". We are in for the herd situation no question. It's been too little too
late by far. (but even one day saved from the 100% terminus is still quite a large
population: we are talking exponential time, not linear.).
When "early" (really drastically "late": being in first weeks of March) estimates from
Fauci, and other talking heads said US would likely see ~70% of population infected, that
translates to ONLY being able to shave ONE DAY off 100% herd exposure given my regression
showing just how contagious this is.
(It's my belief they lied to us, it's not just "droplets" but it is very nicely
aerosolized: breathing and exhaling in the wrong quarters is enought to do it; but thats'
just me, however do note, the Covid briefings at the top were state secret, not open to
journalists. We only get the vaudeville versions of everything, highly politicized to
, Jeremy Grimm
March 28, 2020 at 1:50 pm
The Corona flu [I like Corona because it sounds better -- more like cholera -- as in Love
in the time of Corona] is not the pandemic we need to worry about. That pandemic is still
coming. The Corona flu is bad but it is only a 'test' of our healthcare systems and
government, our knowledge, and our Media -- a live exercise. The U.S. is failing miserably in
all these areas. The CARES package -- I can't think of a more catchy name for this bill and
it really deserves a catchy name -- will do nothing to remedy the failings of our healthcare
systems and government, our knowledge, and our Media but it reveals how unprepared we are for
when the 'real' pandemic arrives.
Portes Governments must do whatever it takes -- and whatever it costs -- in the interests
of our health and our collective wealth
• Jonathan Portes is a former senior civil servant
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then pretty soon many firms would simply stop functioning, as workers became sick.' Photograph:
Dan Kitwood/Getty Images I s the cure worse than the disease? The Times
claimed today: "If the coronavirus lockdown leads to a fall in GDP of more than 6.4% more
years of life will be lost due to recession than will be gained through beating the virus."
It's hard to know where to start with this nonsense. It's based on a paper currently under
review at a journal entitled Nanotechnology Perceptions, which simply assumes that a fall in
GDP translates mechanically and directly into a fall in life expectancy.
It's this sort of reasoning that appears to be leading President Trump to
for an early end to restrictions in the US, claiming that far more people would die of
suicide from a "terrible economy" than from the virus.
But the premise is simply wrong. A recession -- a short-term, temporary fall in GDP -- need
not, and indeed normally does not, reduce life expectancy. Indeed, counterintuitively, the
weight of the
evidence is that
recessions actually lead to people living longer. Suicides do indeed go up, but other causes of
death, such as road accidents and alcohol-related disease, fall.
So at the most basic level, this argument ignores what the evidence says. But perhaps more
importantly, the idea that the way to minimise the economic damage is to remove the
restrictions before they've done their job -- definitively suppressing the spread of the virus
-- is a terrible one.
Does anyone believe that, whatever the government said, we could get back to "normal", or
something close to it, any time soon? If we were all allowed to return to work, many or most of
us would, quite rationally, choose not to, for fear of catching the virus. And if, as the
scientists predict, the result of loosening the restrictions was an acceleration in infections,
then pretty soon many firms would simply stop functioning, as workers became sick, or had to
stay at home to look after family members.
More broadly, restoring the economy to normal requires, above all, confidence. Amid
continuing uncertainty both about their own finances and the wider economy, households won't
spend and businesses won't invest. And that simply isn't going to happen until the spread of
the diseases has been contained.
So there is no tradeoff here.
Health and economic considerations point in
exactly the same direction in the short term. Do whatever it takes -- and whatever it costs --
and do it now, in the interests both of our health and our collective wealth.
But what comes next? It is entirely reasonable to point out that serious damage to the
economy, if it persists over the longer term, will
reduce our welfare and maybe even -- as austerity and its aftermath have done -- life
expectancy. The last 10 days have seen universal credit
claims rise more than five-fold , to half a million, while YouGov data suggests that 2
million people may have lost their job. The recession is already here.
But this need not, and should not, be permanent. The risk here is that we allow the
inevitable fall in GDP that results from shutting down the economy to drive firms out of
business and workers into long-term unemployment. And there is nothing inevitable at all about
After all, many European countries, such as France or Italy, probably, see their GDP fall by
10% or 20% or so in absolute terms every August when workers take their summer holidays. No one
notices -- the numbers are "seasonally adjusted" to take account of holidays, which means it
doesn't show up in the published data -- nor does it do any damage. Workers continue to be
paid, and businesses don't go bust just because they're not making any money. Come September,
everyone gets back to work as normal.
Of course this is very different -- that won't happen automatically with Covid-19. The
impacts are more widespread and long-lasting -- and we don't know how long -- than an enforced
extra holiday. But rapid and appropriate action by government can go a long way. Keeping
workers in jobs and
firms in business needs to be the priority. In the circumstances, the government's made a
good start, although there's
lots more to do .
So what we should be worried about -- both from an economic and a health perspective -- is
not how much GDP falls. It's going to fall by a lot, and that's a good thing. If it didn't --
if people were still going to work despite being told not to -- then the lockdown wouldn't be
working and we'd still see economic consequences further down the line. It's what happens to
GDP in a year or 18 months that matters.
And the long-term consequences? It wasn't the sharp fall in GDP in 2008-9 that reduced, over
the course of the next decade,
life expectancy for the poorest in our society . It was how the government chose to address
the economic fallout of the global financial crisis -- by underfunding and understaffing the
NHS and social care, and by eroding the basic welfare safety net that people depend on when
times are hard. As we are now discovering, these were false economies that left us less, not
more, prepared for this crisis.
Similarly, if we allow Covid-19 to permanently damage our economic and social fabric, it
will be our own fault, not that of the virus. This time we can, and must, do better.
• Jonathan Portes is professor of economics and public policy at King's College London
and a former senior civil servant
, WhereAreYourMorals 25 Mar 2020
Compulsory procurement of half a dozen luxury yachts would go a long way with funding, as
would the uber wealthy PAYING THEIR CORPORATE TAX.
These extreme right-wing leaders in this world are evil. They all claim to be practicing
Christians, unbelievably. Anti-Christ more like. I'm not religious, but blind Freddy would
tell you if Jesus had existed, then these guys are the Romans that killed him. They simply
don't give a shit; swathes of people are expendable.
Didn't a corrupted prime minister get eaten by his people one time? Just sayin'.
kent_rules -> FMIIII 25 Mar
We have been weaning people off tobacco for a long time and this virus seems to love
compromised lungs - tragically, young and fit Americans may succumb due to unregulated vaping
products and decriminalised cannabis products - particularly if one survives but with
severely damaged lungs.
, chainedtomydesk 25 Mar 2020 17:48
I’m sorry but recessions do cause a spike in suicide, mental health issues and stress
related cancer deaths. The most vulnerable in society, on the breadline, will as usual be the
people who struggle the most. To suggest life expectancy goes up in a recession is a fallacy.
, Elias_Artifex 25 Mar 2020 17:47
The latest US Trump policy (US open for business, do the right thing weaklings and die for
the sake of the nation's financial interests) is basically identical with the original UK
Cummings policy. Over the next few weeks are we going to see this policy re-asserted in the
UK - probably. Why - because the alternative would be to attempt containment of Covis 19 -
which would require a South Korean style program of testing and quarantine. And there is
absolutely indication of any political appetite for doing so in the UK whatsoever.
, Hornplayer 25 Mar 2020 17:41
The risk here is a replay of austerity that we saw after the 2008 financial crisis, with many
people left aside. Economically, this was to rebalance the books after the government
injected cash to support the banks. Socially it was damaging.
If we repeat the same pay back and austerity model (on steroids this time) the social and
political fallout could be horrendous.
But what are the alternatives?
FFC800 -> AJVC1991 25 Mar
Yes, the plan was not 'do nothing', it was 'get at risk groups to isolate
themselves and assume that the NHS could deal with the small proportion of low risk groups
needing hospitalisation'. This is essentially what Sweden and NL are doing, with (like us
last week) the addition of social distancing to slow down transmission.
it really does strike me as unfair that their plan was "to do nothing" - I think it
seems to be a bit nuanced than that; and terribly communicated
This is a better idea than trying to avoid everyone getting it ('containment'), because as
soon as you lift containment, you still have no immunity so you're basically at day 0 again.
Unless the plan is to be under lockdown forever, the containment approach is a panic, not a
If you're going for herd immunity you do need to slow the infections down enough that the
serious cases don't overwhelm your health service. That's what the social distancing and WFH
guidelines are about, and outside the cities and a few visitor spots it was working well last
, Continentalcyclist 25 Mar 2020
What made European economies grow in 1948? Confidence, investment, a social security
network, education for all, and building, building, building homes badly needed in destroyed
cities and for the homecoming of millions of veterans and the ensuing baby boom.
The post-war recession feared by economists did not occur. Instead there was a quarter
century of prosperity. Never had there been there so many people, and never before had they
had it so good. Until the arrival of the family butchers. Who sold the family silver and
sacrificed welfare on the altar of m-m-m-monetarism. Said Ssupermac in his maiden speech in
Money quote "
There is this sense that experts are untrustworthy, and have agendas that
aren't aligned with the people" That was always true about neoliberal economists. So it might well be true about mecuacl
bureaucrats like Fauci. Did he disclose his stock holdingd and financial interests? Is he a part
of neoliberal "medical-industrial complex" which wants to rake profits at the expense of people
His email to Hillary suggest that he is medical professional but a politician.
Actually any top medical honcho in Washing is compromised as they did nothing to stop
"balance billing" fraud and too over of ambulance business by private equity sharks.
"... There is this sense that experts are untrustworthy, and have agendas that aren't aligned with the people ..."
"... In the email, Dr. Fauci praised Mrs. Clinton for her stamina during the 2013 Benghazi hearings. The American Thinker falsely claimed that the email was evidence that he was part of a secret group who opposed Mr. Trump. ..."
Adding that Dr. Fauci is bearing the brunt of the attacks, Mr. Bergstrom said: "
is this sense that experts are untrustworthy, and have agendas that aren't aligned with the
people . It's very concerning because the experts in this are being discounted out of
... ... ...
Anti-Fauci posts spiked, according to Zignal Labs. Much of the increase was prompted by a
March 21 article in The American Thinker, a conservative blog, which published the
seven-year-old email that Dr. Fauci had written to an aide of Mrs. Clinton.
In the email, Dr. Fauci praised Mrs. Clinton for her stamina during the 2013 Benghazi
hearings. The American Thinker falsely claimed that the email was evidence that he was part of
a secret group who opposed Mr. Trump.
... ... ...
In an interview, Mr. Fitton said, "Dr. Fauci is doing a great job." He added that Dr. Fauci
"wrote very political statements to Hillary Clinton that were odd for an appointee of his
nature to send."
...One anti-Fauci tweet last Sunday read: "Dr. Fauci is in love w/ crooked @HillaryClinton.
More reasons not to trust him."
"... The coronavirus emergency has exposed the failures and flaws of the European Union, while underscoring the importance of nation-states. In Europe, we've observed a series of events that have demonstrated the collapse of the supra-national model. First, the borders shut down -- Austria and Slovenia acted unilaterally, without asking approval from Italy's government. The move was also symbolic: Italy was not only isolated, it was abandoned to its own devices. ..."
"... Globalization may have its efficiencies, but an overwhelmed health care system suffers in the absence of internal production of the necessary materials -- life-saving ventilators, infection-preventing hazmat vests, face masks. The global evolution of supply chains exported manufacturing and relied heavily on the cheap imports of essential products from abroad. But with the spread of the coronavirus, many states are now forbidding the export of medical equipment. A good example is Turkey, a country that readily accepts EU funds and that many liberals would like to bring into the Union. Ankara blocked a shipment of 200,000 face masks already purchased by Italy for the hard-hit northern regions of Marche and Emilia Romagna. ..."
The COVID-19 pandemic has taken a greater toll on Italy than any other nation. The
Italians are facing their most severe crisis since the Second World War, with Lombardy in the
industrial north particularly hard hit. Yet for all its rhetoric about global citizenship and
solidarity, the European Union has all but abandoned them. That's even though communist China,
arguably globalization's greatest and shrewdest state beneficiary, is ready to fill the void
and help Italy put out the fire its own virus started.
The coronavirus first appeared in Italy on January 31 when two Chinese tourists from the
Hubei province tested positive in Rome, eight days after they'd landed at the Milan airport in
Lombardy. The two were immediately isolated and quarantined in the Roman Spallanzani hospital,
and the situation seemed under control -- until February 21. That day, Italy confirmed 16 new
coronavirus cases, 14 in Lombardy and two in Veneto. A 38-year-old Italian from Codogno near
Milan with acute respiratory symptoms was identified as patient zero. Despite Italy's attempts
to contain the virus by locking down the city of Codogno, coronavirus infections spread.
In just a few days, Italy had the highest number of infections in Europe, with Lombardy as
the pandemic's epicenter. To avoid the spread of infections to the rest of Italy, the
government locked down the entire region of Lombardy and other areas in northern Italy,
effectively quarantining 17 million people. A few days later, as the situation deteriorated,
the whole of Italy was declared an "orange zone" -- all "non-essential" commercial activities
were shut down and the free movement of citizens was limited to grocery and pharmaceutical
shopping and work obligations deemed by the state as of "prime importance."
The economic repercussions of a complete shutdown loomed large. Consequently, Italy asked
the EU for more flexibility on its accounts and requested that emergency measures be deployed
to support Italian citizens and businesses. At the time, the crisis was hardly felt in the
European powerhouses, France or Germany. The EU's response was slow and inefficient, and
Italians started to feel abandoned by European institutions. As the original signer of the
Treaty of Rome, Italy is a founding member of the EU and the third largest economy in the
On March 12, the president of the European Central Bank (ECB), Christine Lagarde, marked a
point of no return -- she gave a highly anticipated speech outlining the measures the bank
would introduce to combat the effects of the coronavirus. Lagarde decided not to cut interest
rates, arguing against the policy of "whatever it takes," as had been outlined by former ECB
president Mario Draghi. To Italians, the EU's indifference was a betrayal. The consequences of
her words were immediate -- and disastrous for Italian stocks. Even the pro-EU president of the
Italian Republic, Sergio Mattarella, released a harsh statement asking the EU to correct its
ways in the "common interest" of Europe.
The EU did change its position on the COVID-19 response, but not until the health care
crisis had spread to France and Germany, making it their problem, too. By then, the damage done
to the Italians' trust in European institutions was already beyond repair. With few viable
options left, Italy's government is now considering the European "Save the State Funds," asking
the EU to implement the €500 billion emergency bailout program from the European Stability
Mechanism designed for EU member states -- a risky move that may saddle Italy with long-term
debt on a scale similar to Greece.
The coronavirus emergency has exposed the failures and flaws of the European Union, while
underscoring the importance of nation-states. In Europe, we've observed a series of events that
have demonstrated the collapse of the supra-national model. First, the borders shut down --
Austria and Slovenia acted unilaterally, without asking approval from Italy's government. The
move was also symbolic: Italy was not only isolated, it was abandoned to its own devices.
Globalization may have its efficiencies, but an overwhelmed health care system suffers in
the absence of internal production of the necessary materials -- life-saving ventilators,
infection-preventing hazmat vests, face masks. The global evolution of supply chains exported
manufacturing and relied heavily on the cheap imports of essential products from abroad. But
with the spread of the coronavirus, many states are now forbidding the export of medical
equipment. A good example is Turkey, a country that readily accepts EU funds and that many
liberals would like to bring into the Union. Ankara blocked a shipment of 200,000 face masks
already purchased by Italy for the hard-hit northern regions of Marche and Emilia Romagna.
The Italians are coming together to fight the pandemic. Many Italian companies have
converted production at home: those working in the textile industry have started producing face
masks. Italy's only manufacturer of respiratory equipment, in the province of Bologna, is not
able to meet the current needs and relieve the national shortage of ventilators. Army
technicians are now helping to increase production capacity.
What has the coronavirus in Italy taught us so far? A great nation is doing what it can to
become self-sufficient as the crisis proves daily that the propaganda of the prophets of
globalization is false. We see that there are strategic sectors, such as health care,
transport, energy, defense, and telecommunications, that have to be considered from the
perspective of national security and not strictly business.
This is a new, unspoken understanding that unites Italy today. We have witnessed a return of
patriotism: flags are hanging from windows and Italians are singing the national anthem. But
there is something else to consider: our freedom. Some politicians, including former prime
minister Matteo Renzi, are proposing to monitor the movements of individuals using their phones
and data from telecommunication companies to police compliance with the lockdown rules and
assess penalties for violations. This smacks of the Big Brother surveillance state. The
collection of metadata for statistical ends, as practiced in Lombardy, should be separated from
the indiscriminate control of individual citizens. Otherwise an Orwellian precedent will be
set. Such an anti-democratic attitude seems to be one of the collateral ideological effects of
what President Trump refers to as a "Chinese virus."
... ... ...
Francesco Giubilei is an entrepreneur, author, and independent journalist based in Rome,
Italy. He is founder and president of the Nazione Futura magazine and
bevin , Mar 27 2020 22:33 utc |
This article might interest you. The author makes the point that neo-liberalism is begging to
"...Crises like these call for an interventionist state to keep the system together, or
for mutual aid and solidarity, especially among people abandoned or targeted by the state. In
some countries, the legitimacy of state administration and planning will grow, in others
political legitimacy will fall precipitously, leading not just to mutual aid networks, but to
attempts to build dual power.
"What economic paradigm – if any – may become dominant isn't clear. The
prestige of Chinese-style state capitalism is growing. Keynesian and Modern Monetary Theory
economists will find jobs in high places, and market socialism-with-nationalisations will
continue to strengthen its position as the dominant economic doctrine on the left.
"However, the economic and ecological unsustainability of growth will raise hard questions
of how to distribute or redistribute the losses in a non-growth world. Fascism and populist
welfare chauvinism will offer the false security of disaster nationalism, national hoarding
and resource wars.
Degrowth's offer of a planned and willed exit from growth will continue to gain followers,
and communist strategies will grow in importance, as the surpluses that can be divided
between contending classes shrink. Ecological breakdown and an absence of growth will pose
questions that are already imposing themselves in the intense isolation of the lockdown: what
are the joys of deceleration, what to do with an abundance of time and interdependence? And,
more forcefully, it will radically narrow the space for social and political compromise.
"Struggle is unavoidable. The question is who will organise it and how."
At the same site there is another piece on the way ion which the crisis has changed the
NHS in the UK overnight.
"... Decades of this modern religion have resulted in an incredibly tragic situation: a disproportionate wealth distribution in the hands of the 0.1%, an over-bloated services/consumer driven economy, increased rates of poverty and despair internationally as well as a dismal loss of vital skills, and productive capacity once enjoyed by advanced industrial nations just four decades ago. Vital infrastructure built up during the 1930s-1960s has been permitted to decay through simple neglect while un-payable debts have reached record highs. ..."
"... Banks in Spain have been nationalized (albeit only "temporarily") to force finance to act in accordance with the needs of society. ..."
"... This renewal of national sovereign powers breaks all of the monetary "laws of the neoliberal order" and with that defiance of globalization, a genuine positive potential for a paradigm shift is visible... ..."
Authored by Matthew Ehret via The Strategic Culture Foundation,
Western society has long been gripped by a deep seeded belief in money. Trillions of dollars
of bank notes tied to ever-growing mountains of un-payable national debts has taken on a life
of its own over the years. As the post-1971 years rolled by, society increasingly lost a sense
that this human invention called "money" was created to serve humanity rather than rule it, and
with that lost sense, money became an idol of worship.
Decades of this modern religion have resulted in an incredibly tragic situation: a
disproportionate wealth distribution in the hands of the 0.1%, an over-bloated
services/consumer driven economy, increased rates of poverty and despair internationally as
well as a dismal loss of vital skills, and productive capacity once enjoyed by advanced
industrial nations just four decades ago. Vital infrastructure built up during the 1930s-1960s
has been permitted to decay through simple neglect while un-payable debts have reached record
Then like a thief in the night, the illusion was ripped away.
The Confused Response to
This ripping away took the form of an international pandemic which has resulted in western
nations' economies grinding to a halt with a new $2 Trillion government emergency spending bill
unveiled on March 24. The
Post reports that this bill will authorize "hundreds of billions of dollars sent to
Americans in the form of checks as a way to flood the country with money in an effort to blunt
the dramatic pullback of spending that has resulted from the coronavirus outbreak."
Governments across the Trans-Atlantic have also announced national interventions into banks
and private industry in order to force production quotas of vital equipment like ventilators,
masks and other medical necessities to meet the increased demand.
Banks in Spain have been
nationalized (albeit only "temporarily") to force finance to act in accordance with the needs
of society. In America, the Defense Authorization Act and broader War Powers Act passed by
President Trump gives the executive broad powers to take over vital industries if needed in
order to mobilize the nation to respond to the crisis.
This renewal of national sovereign powers breaks all of the monetary "laws of the neoliberal
order" and with that defiance of globalization, a genuine positive potential for a paradigm
shift is visible...
... but something vital is still missing.
This "missing something" is clearly demonstrated by the continued obsession with money as
new bailouts of the collapsing speculative banks have now risen to a
$1 trillion/day overnight repo loan to collapsing banks which is added to the $1 Trillion
14 week loans offered every week that will dramatically increase the
$9 trillion already emitted since helicopter money began in earnest in September 2019. With
the mass panic and economic shutdown instigated by COVID-19, markets have lost over 30% of
their value and fears of a new great depression have spread far and wide.
Rather than impose
serious bank regulation like Glass-Steagall to break up the commercial from speculative banks
as was done in 1933, the American government has merely unleashed unlimited money printing.
This bipolar response is akin to trying to stop a raging fire with a combination of water and
We thus find that the greatest crisis facing humanity is not caused by the market crisis, or
even the coronavirus per se, but rather society's profound inability to understand the source
of real from fictitious value.
What is REAL Value? Lincoln and FDR Revisited
"The privilege of creating and issuing money is not only the supreme prerogative of
Government, but it is the Government's greatest creative opportunity. By the adoption of
these principles, the long-felt want for a uniform medium will be satisfied. The taxpayers
will be saved immense sums of interest, discounts and exchanges. The financing of all public
enterprises, the maintenance of stable government and ordered progress, and the conduct of
the Treasury will become matters of practical administration. The people can and will be
furnished with a currency as safe as their own government. Money will cease to be the master
and become the servant of humanity. Democracy will rise superior to the money power."
These words were uttered by none other than America's 16th president Abraham Lincoln as he
fought to take federal control of credit vis a vis the "greenbacks" that not only allowed him
to win the war of secession but also construct the greatest infrastructure and
industrialization programs of history driven by the trans continental railway . The dramatic
success of Lincoln's "American System" not only saved the union, but spread successfully across
the world from Japan's Meiji restoration, Russia's trans Siberian rail development, Bismarck's
Zollverein in Germany and Sadi Carnot's France. This powerful spread of what German economist
Friedrich List called
American System of Political Economy" nearly annihilated the money-worshipping system of
Adam Smith's Free Trade doctrine from the earth and only failed in this task via a plenitude of
London-directed assassinations, and a couple of imperially-orchestrated wars and revolutions
along the way.
The world spun out of control between the murder of the "last Lincoln republican"
Mckinley in 1901 and the
orchestrated meltdown of the U.S. economy known as the great depression of 1929.
Amidst this dark period, Franklin Roosevelt called for the Democrats to claim the legacy of
Lincoln from the corrupt republican party and faced a
Wall Street-backed coup d'etat , survived a freemasonic assassination
attempt and subverted a
City of London-orchestrated bankers' dictatorship all in his first year in office. During
his March 4, 1933 inaugural address, the president rallied the American people saying:
"I am prepared under my constitutional duty to recommend the measures that a stricken
nation in the midst of a stricken world may require. These measures, or such other measures
as the Congress may build out of its experience and wisdom, I shall seek, within my
constitutional authority, to bring to speedy adoption."
As I have outlined in my recent paper
How to Crush a Bankers' Dictatorship , FDR took control of credit in a similar manner as
Lincoln by forcing the Federal Reserve to obey a national mandate for the first time since the
private bank was set up in 1913. He did so by imposing his ally Mariner Eccles into the
position of Chairman who understood that money had to create infrastructure and industrial
growth in order to acquire any claim to having actual "value". This was a stark break from the
"hands off/laissez-faire" policy of President Hoover and his JP Morgan-run cabinet. FDR also
emitted Lincoln-styled productive credit through the Reconstruction Finance Corporation (RFC)
to fuel the New Deal. The RFC issued over $33 billion in low-interest loans by the end of the
war (more than all private banks combined).
Describing his moral philosophy of political economy, FDR stated:
"We seek not merely to make government a mechanical implement, but to give it the vibrant
personal character that is the very embodiment of human charity. We are poor indeed if this
nation cannot afford to lift from every recess of American life the dread fear of the
unemployed that they are not needed in the world. We cannot afford to accumulate a deficit in
the books of human fortitude."
What is missing today
Today's America is confronting an existential crisis similar to that which both Lincoln and
Franklin Roosevelt battled in their time. Just as the proto-deep state of 1865 ran Lincoln's
assassination from Montreal Canada, and took over the White House minutes after FDR's untimely
death in 1945, today's deep state has attempted in vain to overthrow President Trump while
successfully undermining the political viability of other "outsiders" like Bernie Sanders and
The difference is that today's crisis combines elements of all previous crises of 1861-1865,
1929-1933 and 1938-1945: the very real new threat of chaos and civil war within, NATO-led wars
with China and Russia without and economic collapse across the entire trans-Atlantic bubble
economy. The other difference is located in the current presidency's inability to FOCUS with a
clear mind on principled solutions to this multi-faceted crisis while instead finding itself
trapped within contradictory impulses.
While FDR and Lincoln understood that VALUE was located the physically productive forces of
labor which sustained and improved the lives of people and gave the constitution's pre-amble a
real living character, today's American leadership has displayed a far greater ignorance to
this basic fact of life. The vital difference between "need" vs "want" which has been obscured
by decades of free market ideology has resulted in a loss of moral judgment necessary to
properly put out the fires threatening to unleashing civil war, chaos and fascist global
government "solutions" across the Trans Atlantic today.
The new multipolar alliance led by Russia and China have demonstrated what modern day New
Deal policies can do. The Belt and Road Initiative as well as the Strategic Eurasian
Partnership, Polar Silk Road and bold space exploration projects all reflect the type of
principles of win-win cooperation and long term planning that characterized both FDR and
Lincoln earlier. The
Health Silk Road announced
earlier this week by President Xi Jinping provides a brilliant maneuver to tackle the COVID-19
pandemic under a non-Malthusian worldview. This Multipolar Alliance exists as a form of a life
raft for anyone wishing to escape the fate of the Titanic and embark on a new epoch of growth
The question is: Do western powers have the ability to act according to a scientific (and
moral) standard of value by aligning with this multipolar alliance or will they choose to
remain in Orwell's dystopic cage and succumb to a fate which Lincoln, FDR and other great
leaders gave their lives to prevent?
, says: Show Comment gfhÄndel
March 26, 2020 at 7:27 pm GMT
To clarify: chloroquine and like agents are antimalarials which also have immunosuppressive
properties. They are used in COVID19 to dampen the acute respiratory distress syndrome
[ARDS], the pathologic exaggerated immune response which is the cause of most COVID19
It is not without significant side effects (eg retinopathy).
Nevertheless, any suspicions about big pharma's motives in this context are warranted.
It has been suggested that a profitable class of antihypertensives (ACE inhibitors) is linked
with worse COVID19 outcomes.
"... Speaking of "suited and booted", shouldn't these people be wearing one of those full body suits and booties over their shoes as well? ..."
, says: Show
March 25, 2020 at 3:13 pm GMT
Yesterday I ventured into Wal-Mart to shop with the other local deplorable people that the elite child molesters, sexual perverts,
and sociopaths out in Hollyweird, NYC and Washington like to look down on.
Wasn't that crowded and I probably noticed about 10 customers "suited and booted" wearing various masks of different shapes
and styles and latex gloves.
Speaking of "suited and booted", shouldn't these people be wearing one of those full body suits and booties over their
shoes as well?
...On Saturday, a new term caught the internet by storm, that is,
'Covidiot' – and first defined on
Urban Dictionary ,
with the top definition:
"Someone who ignores the warnings regarding public health or safety. A person who hoards
goods, denying them from their neighbors."
"... Those who have regrets after realizing that COVID-19 isn't a 'pooping disease' were met with signs at various Costco locations informing them that they won't be able to return all that toilet paper, paper towels, sanitizing wipes, water, rice and lysol they bought in anticipation of a societal collapse, ..."
Those who have regrets after realizing that COVID-19 isn't a 'pooping disease' were met with
signs at various Costco locations informing them that they won't be able to return all that
toilet paper, paper towels, sanitizing wipes, water, rice and lysol they bought in anticipation
of a societal collapse, according to brobible
lmao Costco basically saying y'all wanted to be extra, y'all gonna deal with your millions
of toilet paper all over your house -- m (@capricorngirlyy)
Enjoy your lifetime supply of toilet paper and wipes you crazy -- Xyth Lord (@Xyth_Lord)
#Costco is not
taking any more returns. Better start figuring out what you are gonna do with 10 bags of rice
you bought! pic.twitter.com/z2U7tN7ru3 March 19,
Seriously gotta calm down 😂 Costco is not accepting returns on toilet paper,
bounty, sanitizers etc -- Theju 🌸
pic.twitter.com/KKRAg5n1B4 March 19,
Costco, meanwhile, may have over-bought in anticipation of sustained demand which has
petered out. It looks like "the whole toilet-paper craze has calmed down," tweeted one shopper.
Guess the whole toilet-paper craze has calmed down. Quiet morning at Costco. -- Sean Coleman
pic.twitter.com/tt6wtcFV5f March 22,
Now what to do with all that TP?
, says: Show Comment Mustapha Mond
March 27, 2020 at 2:49 pm GMT
@tomo Hi tomo!
Yes, I would believe it.
I was a partner in a law firm where I was ultimately responsible for all civil litigation
we handled. I was continually shocked and disgusted by what I saw. It was incredible.
People's lives have absolutely zero value to these monsters at the top, who have gotten where
they are because they are so ruthless and selfish.
We, as a society, carefully select for these psychopathic types in all high-level
competitive endeavors where large sums are hanging in the balance. Their only loyalty is 1.)
to themselves; 2.) to the shareholders/partners, firmly in that order, and they are VERY
highly rewarded for it. That the commoner's well being holds no value to them aside from how
it can be exploited to their businesses' advantage, is a truism revealed and reinforced
daily. The Ford Pinto, Dalkon Shield and other horrifying high profile cases (from the era
when I practiced) come immediately to mind.
Pig Pharma is by no means alone in their utter disregard for the everyday man and woman,
it's just that we intuitively expect people in the medical field to want to heal the sick,
not prolong it. But as the Wall Street analysts remind the heads of Pig Pharma on a daily
basis: curing disease is a bad business model. Prolonging and worsening illness, just short
of death, is optimal. Just ask the lovely Sackler family.
Very sad to learn it's as bad or worse across the pond, but I guess that's to be
I suspect the worst of it exists in the military environment, where service men and women
are apparently routinely used as guinea pigs, and often completely unknowingly. But at least
they know when they sign up that they are 100% expendable ..
Arnhold Professor of International Cooperation and Development, New School for Social Research.
Originally published at
the Institute for New Economic Thinking website
This note presents broad brush
illustrations from a simple accounting model of the impacts of the coronavirus epidemic on macroeconomic
balance, with emphasis on fiscal interventions. The premise is that supporting effective demand is essential
for sustaining economic activity. The covid-19 epidemic created mass unemployment by shutting activity down.
The resulting income loss undoubtedly reduced household consumption which makes up two-thirds of GDP. The
only way to restore consumption is for the government acting as the "borrower of last resort" to raise its
deficit and transfer the proceeds to households. A numerical example presented below suggests that an
increase of ten percentage points in the ratio of government net borrowing (spending on goods and services
plus transfers to households minus tax revenues) to GDP would do the trick.
The stimulus legislation now before Congress does not go far enough. Its size -- $2.2 trillion or ten
percent of GDP – is the right order of magnitude but the breakdown of spending is biased away from
households and toward business,
, payments that may flow more or less directly to households –
checks in the mail, more unemployment insurance, small business support, state and local government support,
and less than $100 billion to food stamps and disaster relief – come to $1.2 trillion or 5.7% of GDP.
Big business support in the form of loans and a range of other payments amounts to $800 billion or 3.8%
of GDP. No doubt, politics aside, some of this money will be usefully spent, but its contribution to
aggregate demand will be slow and indirect.
Before getting into the details of demand management, a few background observations are needed.
One is that both government and business have substantial debt overhangs. The simulations suggest that an
increase of about $3 trillion in the deficit of the government sector (close to the total built into the
various packages now in place or being enacted) is needed to offset the macro shock that the epidemic
creates. Outstanding Federal debt is $22 trillion. New issues of three trillion may be difficult for markets
Even worse, the corporate sector's outstanding debt is $10 trillion, five times total profits before
depreciation, interest, and taxes. Share buybacks, largely financed by borrowing and ranging in the upper
hundreds of billions per year, have been an important driver of growth of debt. The production side of once
dominant firms – think of General Electric and Boeing – has been hollowed out by financial engineering.
Politics will continue to be influenced by pressures to solve financial problems for firms created by their
On the real side of the economy, over the last two or three decades the share of employment in sectors
with low real wages, productivity, and profits increased by around twenty percent. The share of profits in
national income grew at around 0.4% per year for five decades, mostly flowing through various channels to
households in the top one percent of the size distribution of income. Households at the bottom of the
distribution became especially vulnerable.
The major impact on economic activity will come from falling consumption of goods and services due to
income losses caused by businesses shutting down. Starting from an initial income level, household saving or
the difference between income and spending will shoot up with further multiplier effects on output. High
profit activities such as real estate rental and leasing, finance, and information will be protected.
Sectors with high employment and low wages and productivity such as retail, accommodation and food, and
other services will be hard hit (education and health will be the main exception). To offset the impacts,
fiscal demand creation by the government will be essential, with the required outlays depending on the size
of the consumption drop and other shocks such as lower private investment and exports.
We begin with details about differences across sectors, and go on to the macroeconomic effects of the
coronavirus epidemic on incomes and output.
The shifts in the structure of production just mentioned created an American dual economy with prosperity
at the top and near subsistence living at the bottom. Table 1 presents details for sixteen sectors, ordered
from the higher to lower rows by decreasing estimates of payments per hour to labor (including "supplements"
or contributions for pensions and insurance).
Real wages and productivity vary over wide ranges. The same is true of sectoral profits. Real estate
takes the lion's share, followed by manufacturing, finance, business services, and information. Profits are
meager from retail on down the rows, while output and especially employment shares are relatively high. The
three sectors mentioned above -- retail, accommodation and food, and other services – provide around 46
million jobs, more than one-quarter of the 162 million total. Their labor payments amount to $263 billion,
about one percent of GDP of $21 trillion. This number can be contrasted with $600 billion of profits in real
estate. Incomes of low-wage workers do not matter
greatly in the grand macroeconomic scheme of things, but for them even a ten percent income loss would be
Table 1: Structure of production in 2016
Wages and output used to
calculate wage rate per hour and productivity per hour are deflated by the GDP deflator (2019=100).
Shares of real output are deflated based on each sector's own industry price index (2009=100).
Before turning to the impacts of covid-19, it makes sense to review previous macroeconomic shocks such as
the great recession and the smaller Trump tax reduction of 2018. A simple accounting scheme can be built
around "net borrowing" (NB) levels of four institutional sectors – households (HH), corporate business,
government at all levels, and the rest of the world.
For households and business, NB is equal to gross fixed capital formation plus changes in inventories
("investment") minus saving. For government, it is current spending on goods and services plus investment
minus the excess of tax receipts over fiscal transfers to households. Broadly speaking, foreign NB is the
current account surplus or exports minus imports. It is negative for the USA. In the jargon, investment,
government spending, and exports are demand "injections." HH and business saving, taxes minus fiscal
transfers, and imports are "leakages." Overall macroeconomic balance requires that the sum of NB levels
across sectors should equal zero (subject to a "statistical discrepancy" between estimates of spending and
incomes in the national accounts). Table 2 summarizes data for selected years. The "rates" are calculated
with respect to the relevant year's real GDP.
Table 2: Net borrowing behavior in the USA for selected years (levels in trillions of dollars at prices
of 2019, rates are relative to GDP)
Each year's "multiplier" is the inverse of the sum of the four leakage rates. The multiplier times the
sum of injections equals output.
In a further illustration, Figure 1 shows annual net borrowing rates in the form of a bar chart. High net
borrowing by the government in response to the financial crisis stands out. Even more striking at the far
right of the diagram is the fiscal response to the consumption loss due to the coronavirus as estimated in
Table 3 below.
Figure 1: Annual sectoral net borrowing (in the past and estimated for 2020)
The diagram and table show that business retained earnings usually provide the main source of saving,
with resources also coming from households and negative net borrowing by the rest of the world (positive net
lending to the US economy). The government is the principal net borrower, as underlined by its role in
recent macroeconomic events and especially now.
Recession and the Trump Tax Cut
The 2007-09 recession was precipitated by private sector retrenchment in wake of the financial crisis.
Household consumption was flat, while private investment fell by 30%. Household saving and business retained
earnings went up, meaning that the overall private saving rate rose from 19% to 22%. Output rose between
2007 and 2009. It would have dropped dramatically if the net government tax-minus-transfer rate had been
stable. But in fact it fell from 15% to 6% due to automatic stabilizers and the Obama stimulus package of
around 5% of GDP. The overall impact was that private net borrowing fell by 10.2% of output while government
borrowing went up by 8.6%. Reduction of the external deficit by 1.7% made up the difference.
In sum, the recession was not a disaster because of fiscal realignment. Causality ran from a private
sector shock to automatic and discretionary government responses. It went the other way for the more modest
Trump tax cut. The tax-minus-transfer rate fell from 11.6% to 10.7%, or about $185 billion. Output did go up
by 2.9%, but the increase would have been greater if there had been a strong business investment boom
instead of only a $320 billion increase. Lower business taxes were in large part distributed via dividends
and share buybacks to households at the top of the income ladder with high saving rates.
Both episodes show that changing government net borrowing plays a key role in macroeconomic adjustment.
More government spending on goods and services (unimportant in 2007-09) will also have to help absorb the
Coronavirus and Consumption
The biggest immediate impact of the epidemic is loss of economic activity as businesses shut down in a
"supply" shock. Unless they reopen rapidly, both payments to labor and profits will fall. Household
consumption makes up almost 70% of GDP and will drop accordingly.
As an illustration, we can consider a consumption decrease over 2020 of $1.5 trillion from a 2019 level
of $14.6 trillion, or 10% (a high but not unreasonable estimate). That amounts to seven percent of GDP.
Because they have low or negative saving rates, households hit by loss of low-wage jobs at the bottom of the
Table 1 ladder would be major contributors.
For households, saving basically equals income minus spending for consumption, (mostly) residential
investment, and taxes. A decrease in consumption translates into higher saving, or in Table 3 a jump of the
HH saving rate from 0.086 to 0.156. More saving means less demand creation so that output falls from 21.06
to 18.34 trillion dollars.
Table 3: Possible effects of the coronavirus shock
In a quirk of national accounting, HH net borrowing falls from -0.045 to -0.108, or net lending to the
rest of the economy rises to close to 11% of GDP. Presumably the higher "lending" would take the form of
paying off debt. In practice, that will not happen. The proper policy response would be a decrease in the
government's tax-minus-transfer rate from 0.101 to 0.031, taking the form of a $1.5 trillion transfer to
households, which could hold consumption spending and output stable over the year. Government borrowing
would rise by 7% of GDP, or from $1.56 to $3.03 trillion (compare the two rightmost bars of Figure 1). This
hypothetical percentage increase exceeds the actual change between 2007 and 2009 recorded in Table 2.
In other words,
the only way to maintain economic activity is for the government to borrow to
transfer money to households to support consumption.
Ideally, a few hundred billion could be targeted
specifically at the poorly paid quarter of the work force in the sectors in the lower part of Table 1, along
with poor households who don't receive labor income.
There are more potential complications. Table 2 shows that private investment fell by around 30% between
2007 and 2009. Lower capital formation along with stable profits drove up retained earnings so that business
net borrowing fell. Broadly similar shifts could be expected during the epidemic. Exports could decrease as
well. On the other hand, increased government spending on goods and services would raise aggregate demand.
In the rightmost column of Table 3, a plausible outcome would be a visible recession, despite government
borrowing of 17% of GDP, or $3.4 trillion.
The initial impact of covid-19 has been to annihilate labor income through the loss of employment. The
challenge is to create demand to offset lost wages and consumer spending. The calculations herein are
illustrative at best, although government net borrowing in Table 3 is close to the total outlay of stimulus
packages approved by Congress. But there are further complications.
` As noted at the outset, more than three trillion dollars of new government debt is a non-trivial
increase over the $22 trillion outstanding. Advocates of Modern Monetary Theory suggest that the Federal
Reserve could absorb the new issues, adding to the 15% of government paper that it already holds. In the USA
such an experiment is yet to be run.
The Fed has offered to intervene massively to buy up corporate debt, which would also run up its balance
sheet. Nevertheless, bailouts for business will remain in political competition with transfers to households
in bottom tiers of the income distribution which really need the money. The Obama stimulus directed less
than half its outlays toward households. There could be better targeting under present circumstances.
Table 1 suggests that profits in some sectors could be taxed to help offset transfers. Real estate,
finance, and information jump to attention.
Timing matters. GDP over one year is the reference frame for Table 3. If, as is likely, job losses and
demand decreases are not offset over a shorter period, the effects on economic activity could be
Finally, immediate direct action is needed to overcome supply shortfalls for vast amounts of new medical
and caretaker services, not to mention production of personal protective gear for caregivers.
Support from INET and help from Özlem Ömer are gratefully acknowledged.
March 27, 2020 at 7:13 am
One issue I take with this article is that it often classifies money as going to either labor or profits.
There is a third category – suppliers. In my experience payments to suppliers has dried up since the beginning
of the coronavirus shutdown. Whether because AP and AR aren't considered essential functions, because
businesses, even essential businesses, don't have enough cash to pay employees and suppliers, or because they
simply don't want to pay supplier. This is creating a cash crunch for businesses, who are cutting down on
discretionary activities like advertising and even turning away new sales out of fears new customers won't pay.
I have not seen any analysis on the impact of the loss of trade credit.
March 27, 2020 at 8:38 am
The importance of trade-credit has been ignored for decades. I had hopes that one positive effect of the
ultra-low interest-rates would have been that large customers would stop paying their suppliers so late. It
hasn't happened, banks love it as they force the small suppliers to go to the bank and borrow money at
high(er) interest-rate and the money lent out by banks would be the low(er) interest-rate provided by the
There is a risk now that the supply-chains freeze completely due to suppliers not being paid and suppliers
then stopping supply – either voluntaritly or due to going under. It might be necessary to legislate
maximum payment terms.
What might possibly be happening is more and better automation of the AP/AR-functions. The current
automation is often so bad that it increases employment instead of what might be the intended reduction of
employment, the next automation (done by skilled professionals, not like now by when it is often done
talkers) might (in my opinion very likely) permanently reduce employment.
March 27, 2020 at 11:49 am
Aren't suppliers also the likeliest creditors to lose out in a Chapter 11 bankruptcy? Time to write to
legislators for nuance in the regs.
March 27, 2020 at 2:36 pm
Now maybe I'm blind but I see no definition of those abbreviations.
Have a little mercy on laymen, please?
March 27, 2020 at 2:51 pm
AR=Accounts Receivable (most senior executives might not know they have AR, they believe they only have
March 27, 2020 at 3:25 pm
Thanks, those definitions also just occurred to me on my walk to the grocery store.
It's amazing how the mind works – if I'll just give it time.
But more accurately, in my considered opinion and experience, is this:
March 27, 2020 at 3:08 pm
accounts payable, accounts receivable
March 27, 2020 at 3:27 pm
Thanks to you also; no businessman I, except as a paper boy in High School.
March 27, 2020 at 8:25 am
This has been the M.O. forever and will continue to be the M.O. Te rich get richer and the poor get poorer.
, says: Show Comment
March 27, 2020 at 3:03 pm GMT
Hydroxyxhloroquine is antimalarial,works on the DNA , and accumulates in white blood cells .
Corona virus is RNA. Possible other mechanism includes suppression of T lymphocytes ,
decreased white blood cell migration to the injured area ,stabilization of lysosomal enzymes
which means the enzymes that can attack pathogen and also human normal cells are being
prevented from release from inside the immune cells and suppression of DNA and RNA synthesis.
I am not aware that has ever been to be effective against any virus in the past. It
doesn't work on the Angiotensin receptor or signal transduction down stream .
Chloroquine and Hydroxychloroquione are used for Rheumatoid arthritis but they don't alter
the bone damages They are not very effective DMARDs ( disease modifying anti rheumatic drugs
) .It is also used against Graft versus Host rejection . Not effective enough.
Any antiviral medicine has to work on one of these sites or on combination of these
sites- attachment of virus to cells, f penetration ( nucleus) , uncoating, protien synthesis
, nucleic acid synthesis, packaging , and assembly of new virus , then the last part -viral
release from cell to attack new cells. Hydroxychloroquine is not known to attack any of these
Chloroquine and Hydroxychloroquine are known to work differently in rheumatoid and graft
vs host disease or in some patients with SLE.
I am not sure if these 2 can be considered as an orphan drug and approved by FDA
I am not sure how French jumped to the idea that this medication would work ( usually a
possible mechanism of action or anecdotal data have to be furnished before trying or have two
have animal data )
So let's not celebrate French microbiologist or IHU and jump to some theories on the
behaviors of French ministers or pharmaceuticals.
, says: JT Website Show Comment
March 26, 2020 at 10:55 pm GMT
Since March 17th the pin on my twitter profile promotes the preventive use of chloroquine to
treat the Novel Coronovirus. I've been following the debate about this anti-malarial (polio
and yellow fever) drug closely. I like Escobar's article, but there are several problems with
it, that even I, as a proponent of chloroquine cannot ignore.
First, the claim that Agnes Buzyn (mispelled twice in the article as "Buzy"), classified
the drug as a poison, thus
this is false. Chloroquine, in its market French form known as Nivaquine, was never over
the counter. Never. In fact very few Western countries ever sold it over the counter. In most
US states, it was prescription based. It is lethal when used inappropriately.
Second, with all due respect to Dr. Raoult, he is absolutely wrong about viral load in
terminal stages of Covid-19. Corona virus is anything but low or nearly absent. In fact, its
viral load is extremely high and a good measure of patient outcome at admission, and no
amount of antiviral treatment can reduce it on its own at this point. Raoult was either
trying to say that corona is not the cause of mortality, which is technically true, or like
99% of doctors fighting Corona, has no grasp of what the virus actually does.
The gist of the Escobar article is problematic. Nothing concrete about how Sanofi or Big
Pharma is planning on cashing in by delaying chloroquine production. Last week Sanofi donated
300,000 "dosses" of chloroquine to the United States. The drug has been around for 60 years
and is listed by the WHO as a required drug in all medical systems with required
possibilities of local production. The criteria of which are known only to experts.
As for the theory that chloroquine supplies have been pilfered my French sources told me
supplies had been seized. Macron
may be pursuing a policy of herd immunity, but
doesn't have the political luxury of being public about it, and a little less literalism is a
helpful corrective for wild speculation. Herd immunity strategies cannot be pursued openly,
being political (reelection) liabilities.
Far far more important to the coronovirus debate is how one is supposed to cure with
vaccines, if the jury is still out on acquired immunity. One cannot work without the other,
suggesting that the MSM acceptance of possible vaccine treatment
ipso facto means
acquired immunity is a given, but that's not the way the MSM and governments are presenting
this, suggesting that either vaccines cannot possibly work, or that immunity is being aquired
as we speak, while the facade of a fight is kept up. , says: Show Comment
March 27, 2020 at 4:24 am GMT
@The Obscurantist Coronavirus : Agnès Buzyn a-t-elle interdit la vente libre de
chloroquine en pleine épidémie
Since this decree, the hydroxychloroquine molecule marketed under the name of Plaquenil
is therefore no longer available over the counter. A prescription from a doctor is now
mandatory. But this new classification, which came into effect in January, contrary to what
some conspiratorial publications suggest, predates the appearance of the new coronavirus.
Its cousin, chloroquine, appears on this list "in injectable and oral form", since a decree
taken in 1999.
As LCI explains, the National Health Security Agency (ANSES) had been asked for an
opinion on a proposal for an order to include hydroxychloroquine in List II of poisonous
substances in October 2019, "in order to ensure appropriate patient care ". Two months
before the appearance of the new coronavirus in China.
ANSES had given the green light on November 12, 2019. It is therefore false and dishonest
to claim that the former Minister of Health, Ms. Buzyn, would have made this decision
herself during the Covid-19 epidemic. , says: Show Comment
March 27, 2020 at 2:37 pm GMT
@onebornfree The Quinism Foundation is a nonprofit charitable organization established to
support education and research on chronic quinoline encephalopathy and other medical
conditions caused by poisoning, or intoxication, by mefloquine, tafenoquine, chloroquine, and
related quinoline drugs.
Executive Director Dr. Remington Dr. Nevin noted his concern that members of the public
may even attempt to obtain therapeutic quantities of quinine through questionable channels.
"Tonic water, whose bitter taste is produced by the addition of quinine or related
naturally-occurring quinolines, is limited by U.S. Food and Drug Administration regulations
to 83 mg per liter of quinine and related cinchona alkaloids," said Dr. Nevin. "However,
drinking several bottles of tonic water will result in consuming pharmaceutical quantities,
and therefore potentially harmful, amounts of these drugs", said Dr. Nevin. "Tonic water is a
prescription medication masquerading as a cocktail mixer."
Show Comment oneworld
March 27, 2020 at 11:44 am GMT
A single, non-randomized observational trial is close to the bottom of the list in terms of
meaningful medical research, down there with anecdotal reports, particularly in a novel viral
disease with highly variable clinical manifestations and outcomes.
There are also significant potential cardiac risks caused by the Q-T lengthening on one's
EKG caused by both azithromycin and chloroquine. Don't grasp at straws.
Show Comment Turk 152
March 27, 2020 at 9:05 pm GMT
@KA You seem quite a knowledge so I hope to obtain your insights, I am not medical.
I heard that the likelihood of ARDS (cytokine storm?) can be detected by a Serum Ferritin
test. If it levels are high, the patient should be given Anakinra, the rheumatoid arthritis
medication, which will prevent ARDS. Neither the test, nor the treatment are being given
because the average Doc who does not specialize in this field, does not know to test for
I understand that Hydroxychloroquin will reduce virulent symptoms in high risk patients
but should be given cautiously.
says: Show Comment Toubib Thawr
March 27, 2020 at 10:06 pm GMT
I am commenting here first time but have been reading the site for years.
I have two decades of biotech research experience.
I just finished a literature survey about effects of these active pharmaceutical ingredients
or APIs (chloroquine, hydroxychloroquine, hydroxychloroquine phosphate).
The APIs have been in human application for very long time and their side effect profile
might be broad but it is not widespread. The most serious problems arise from eventual eye
degenerative effects but those are very-very rare.
These APIs do act on several steps of what you mentioned, starting with receptor binding
interference (ACE2 glycosylation changes), viral entry (impairment of endosome formation),
then viral DNA offloading (interference with virus-containing endosomes fusing with
lysosomes), through viral "work" (impairment of protein synthesis and virion assembly through
stopping of Golgi- and endoplasmatic reticular budding and traffic).
The most interesting part of their actions might however be the inhibition of the viral
RNA-dependent RNA polymerase enzyme. This is done through increasing Zn++ concentration in
the cytoplasm because all of these APIs are ionophores and bring Zn++ ions into the cytosol
through the lipid membrane. High Zn++ "levels" inside the cell block the "xerox machine"of
the viral RNA. So indeed these have at least theoretical effects and in vitro proof is
On the contrary, if one looks at the now not too worthwile treatment compilation from
Alipay and Zhezhiang University the use of different antiviral drugs is quite dangerous to
the liver. Many patients on anti-retrovirals developed liver problems. I think the Shanghai
Protocol is much more adequate but to each his own.
With regards to the origins of the virus someone earlier wrote about haplotypes. There are
58 haplotypes (called as such in peer-reviewed publications) and 5 haplogroups of the virus
in two clades (L and S). According to a non peer-reviewed publication at ChinaXiv, 5
haplogroups have only been reported from the US so far. Mainland Chinese enjoyed the society
of only 4 haplogroups while the fifth could be found in Taiwan.
, says: Show Comment Felix
March 27, 2020 at 10:44 pm GMT
For your information, Russia will now be using chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine for
treatment of COVID-19 in moderate to severe cases.
Peter AU1 , Mar 27 2020 21:35 utc |
Handbook put out by Chinese doctors.
Likklemore , Mar 27 2020 21:18 utc |
@ mpn 8
Here is one published Abstract, specific to COVID-19 warns of the toxicity.
Department of Forensic Medicine, Tongji Medical College, Huanzhong University of Science
and Technology, Wuhan 430030, China.
The Trial of Chloroquine in the Treatment of Corona Virus Disease 2019
（COVID-19） and Its Research Progress in Forensic Toxicology.
[.]Since December 2019, COVID-19 （corona virus disease 2019） outbreaks caused
by SARS-CoV-2 （severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2） has occurred
in China and many countries around the world. Due to the lack of drugs against COVID-19,
the disease spreads rapidly and the mortality rate is relatively high. Therefore, specific
drugs against SARS-CoV-2 need to be quickly screened.
The antimalarial drug Chloroquine
phosphate which has already been approved is confirmed to have an anti-SARS-CoV-2 effect
and has been included in diagnostic and therapeutic guidelines. However, awareness of the
risk of chloroquine phosphate causing acute poisoning or even death should be strengthened.
The dosage used according to current clinical recommended dosage and course of treatment
are larger than that of previous treatment of malaria. Many provinces have required
close clinical monitoring of adverse reactions. This paper reviews the pharmacological
Peter AU1 , Mar 27 2020 22:02 utc |
This is the antiviral treatment recommended in the hand I linked above.
At FAHZU, lopinavir/ritonavir (2 capsules, po q12h) combined with arbidol (200 mg po q12h)
were applied as the basic regimen. From the treatment experience of 49 patients in our
hospital, the average time to achieve negative viral nucleic acid test for the first time
was 12 days (95% CI: 8-15 days). The duration of negative nucleic acid test result
(negative for more than 2 times consecutively with interval ≥ 24h) was 13.5 days (95%
CI: 9.5 - 17.5 days).If the basic regimen is not effective, chloroquine phosphate can be
used on adults between 18-65 years old (weight ≥ 50 kg: 500 mg bid; weight ≤50 kg:
500 mg bid for first two days, 500 mg qd for following five days).Interferon nebulization
is recommended in Protocols for Diagnosis and Treatment of COVID-19. We recommend that it
should be performed in negative-pressure wards rather than general wards due to the
possibility of aerosol transmission.Darunavir/cobicistat has some degree of antiviral
activity in viral suppression test in vitro, based on the treatment experience of AIDS
patients, and the adverse events are relatively mild. For patients who are intolerant to
lopinavir/ritonavir, darunavir/ cobici-stat (1 tablet qd) or favipiravir (starting dose of
1600 mg followed by 600 mg tid) is an alternative option after the ethical review.
Simultaneous use of three or more antiviral drugs is not recommended.
Course of Treatment
The treatment course of chloroquine phosphate should be no more than 7 days. The treatment
course of other regimens has not been determined and are usually around 2 weeks. Antiviral
drugs should be stopped if nucleic acid test results from sputum specimens remain negative
for more than 3 times
Highly recommended! Notable quotes:
"... Put together, they reveal how big a share of the American markets for drugs, medical devices, and protective gear is controlled by goods made overseas. The big takeaway is that the nation could be in big enough trouble if supply disruptions were to occur in normal times (say, due to natural disasters in manufacturing centers abroad). During a high-mortality pandemic like the CCP Virus, these levels of foreign dependency are high enough to guarantee significant numbers of needless deaths. ..."
"... And in fact, the import penetration trends for these products exemplify the nation's health care security weaknesses. In 2002 -- a good baseline, since that's the first year China was a member of the World Trade Organization -- imports overall accounted for 16.7 percent of all surgical appliances and supplies used in the United States (measured by value, not numbers of masks or pairs of gloves). During the first full year of the Great Recession, 2008, this share totaled 28.08 percent. ..."
"... Keeping this qualification in mind, overall, 32.41 percent of surgical appliances and supplies were imported from other countries by 2011, according to these figures. In 2016, that number reached 41.81 percent of a $33.71 billion U.S. market. It may well be higher these days, as between then and last year, U.S. overseas purchases jumped by more than 29 percent. (Interestingly, in light of domestic shortages, U.S. exports in appliances and supplies actually rose by more than 13 percent during this period!) ..."
"... Ventilators, sadly, have been in the news, too; they and related products like oxygen tents and bronchoscopes and inhalators and suction equipment are found in a big goods category called surgical and medical instruments. In 2002, imports from all corners of the world represented 22.04 percent of American consumption. By 2016, this figure stood at 35.91 percent of a $37.5 billion national market, and over the next three years, imports grew nearly 31 percent. (Exports expanded at a relatively slow 11.84 percent.) ..."
"... exclusive U.S. reliance on China for the chemical ingredients of numerous medicines has now become a major federal government concern. ..."
"... The main foreign suppliers to the American pharmaceuticals market as of last year look encouragingly diversified and encouragingly friendly. For example, Ireland was number one, with 22.15 percent of such shipments, followed by Switzerland with 14.05 percent. But third and fourth, with 8.87 percent and 8.39 percent of imports, were Germany and India, respectively, both of which have limited or embargoed their medical exports this year. And number five, at 7.38 percent, was Italy -- whose current CCP Virus devastation could easily bring about export restrictions. ..."
"... Last year, America's leading foreign supplier of surgical and medical instruments (the ventilators category) was Mexico, which sold U.S. customers 28.58 percent of the $17.62 billion of total imports. But export-curber Germany was number three, at 9.43 percent, and China was sixth, at 6.93 percent. ..."
"... Purely domestic policy steps, like mandating more stockpiling or new recycling and re-use strategies, undoubtedly can add to national medical products supplies. But even these general import penetration figures, along with the shortage reports that keep pouring in, make clear that enduring national health care security can't be restored without a major ramping up of domestic output. And since export-heavy economies like China's and Germany's will undoubtedly work overtime to keep their American health care customers -- including with all manner of predatory economic practices -- it's similarly clear that big, lasting U.S. departures from standard free trade policies will be unavoidable. ..."
Not Just China: U.S. Reliance on Foreign Medical Supplies is Staggering
The government's own numbers tell a frightening tale of how this happened, and when.
Virus pandemic having exposed scary domestic shortages of critical medical
goods ranging from safety masks to ventilators, along with potential shortages of
pharmaceuticals, political leaders across the spectrum are finally regretting having allowed so
much output of these products to migrate offshore.
China's role in global supply chains has understandably sparked much of the alarm, since its
government has all but threatened to withhold supplies of medicines whenever it wishes. But all
told, at least 38 countries (including the 27-member European Union) have curbed exports of
anti-pandemic products at some point since the CCP Virus began dominating headlines.
potential foreign chokeholds in the nation's health care-related supply chains appear global in
scope. The federal government's best data make clear just how widespread the problem has
become, and how steadily it's been growing.
The figures come from the government's statistics on industry-by-industry manufacturing
output and on exports and imports. (The output data can be accessed through databases created
by the Census Bureau for its Annual Survey of Manufactures that are located at this
link . The
trade numbers can be retrieved at an interactive database maintained by the U.S. International
Trade Commission that's located at this link .)
Put together, they reveal how big a share of the American markets for drugs, medical
devices, and protective gear is controlled by goods made overseas. The big takeaway is that the
nation could be in big enough trouble if supply disruptions were to occur in normal times (say,
due to natural disasters in manufacturing centers abroad). During a high-mortality pandemic
like the CCP Virus, these levels of foreign dependency are high enough to guarantee significant
numbers of needless deaths.
These statistics aren't problem-free. Principally, because the manufacturing output figures
are so granular, and therefore take so long to compile, import penetration rates for these (and
other manufactures) can be calculated only through 2016. Yet the more timely import numbers can
provide a reasonable indication of whether vulnerabilities are worsening or shrinking. At the
same time, the government's main trade data aren't nearly as detailed as the production
numbers. As a result, it's not possible to know the percentage of, say, safety masks used in
the United States that are produced abroad. But it's easy to come up with this number for the
category in which masks (and other protective gear) are grouped -- surgical appliances and
And in fact, the import penetration trends for these products exemplify the nation's health
care security weaknesses. In 2002 -- a good baseline, since that's the first year China was a
member of the World Trade Organization -- imports overall accounted for 16.7 percent of all
surgical appliances and supplies used in the United States (measured by value, not numbers of
masks or pairs of gloves). During the first full year of the Great Recession, 2008, this share
totaled 28.08 percent.
Notably, these imports from China were a tiny 1.5 percent in 2002, and had actually dropped
to 0.49 percent by 2008. By 2016, they accounted for a seemingly modest 6.54 percent of
American consumption. But here's where another weakness in the data emerges: they say nothing
about the origin of the materials, parts, and components of the final goods.
Keeping this qualification in mind, overall, 32.41 percent of surgical appliances and
supplies were imported from other countries by 2011, according to these figures. In 2016, that
number reached 41.81 percent of a $33.71 billion U.S. market. It may well be higher these days,
as between then and last year, U.S. overseas purchases jumped by more than 29 percent.
(Interestingly, in light of domestic shortages, U.S. exports in appliances and supplies
actually rose by more than 13 percent during this period!)
Ventilators, sadly, have been in the news, too; they and related products like oxygen tents
and bronchoscopes and inhalators and suction equipment are found in a big goods category called
surgical and medical instruments. In 2002, imports from all corners of the world represented
22.04 percent of American consumption. By 2016, this figure stood at 35.91 percent of a $37.5
billion national market, and over the next three years, imports grew nearly 31 percent.
(Exports expanded at a relatively slow 11.84 percent.)
Again, the China figures are small beans -- the import penetration rate for 2016 was a mere
2.35 percent. But these products often contain lots of electronics parts, and half the world's
printed circuit boards, for example, are made in the People's Republic. In other words, lots of
existing global surge capacity throughout the sector is ultimately controlled by Beijing.
Thanks to the work of researchers like the Hastings Center's Rosemary Gibson and independent
journalist Katherine Eban, heavy and sometimes
exclusive U.S. reliance on China for the
chemical ingredients of numerous medicines has now become a major federal government concern.
Indeed, the Food and Drug Administration is keeping an especially close eye on the availability
of no fewer than 20 pharmaceutical products that use Chinese raw materials. (Unfortunately, the
FDA won't say what they are, which calls for some Freedom of Information Act requests,
But the import penetration figures make clear that supply disruptions could also originate
elsewhere. Between 2002 and 2016, drugs produced overseas more than doubled their share of
America's consumption (which stood at nearly $200 billion three years ago), from 17.23 percent
to 38.51 percent. As of 2019, moreover, U.S. drugs imports were 20.34 percent higher than in
The main foreign suppliers to the American pharmaceuticals market as of last year look
encouragingly diversified and encouragingly friendly. For example, Ireland was number one, with
22.15 percent of such shipments, followed by Switzerland with 14.05 percent. But third and
fourth, with 8.87 percent and 8.39 percent of imports, were Germany and India, respectively,
both of which have limited or embargoed their medical exports this year. And number five, at
7.38 percent, was Italy -- whose current CCP Virus devastation could easily bring about export
Nor is this pattern restricted to pharmaceuticals.
Last year, America's leading foreign
supplier of surgical and medical instruments (the ventilators category) was Mexico, which sold
U.S. customers 28.58 percent of the $17.62 billion of total imports. But export-curber Germany
was number three, at 9.43 percent, and China was sixth, at 6.93 percent.
For surgical appliances and supplies (the masks and protective gear category), Ireland
topped the 2019 foreign supplier list, selling the United States 24.09 percent of its $18.21
billion of total imports. But China was second, at 15.29 percent, and in third place, at 9.68
percent, stood Malaysia, which banned mask exports on March 20.
Purely domestic policy steps, like mandating more stockpiling or new recycling and re-use
strategies, undoubtedly can add to national medical products supplies. But even these general
import penetration figures, along with the shortage reports that keep pouring in, make clear
that enduring national health care security can't be restored without a major ramping up of
domestic output. And since export-heavy economies like China's and Germany's will undoubtedly
work overtime to keep their American health care customers -- including with all manner of
predatory economic practices -- it's similarly clear that big, lasting U.S. departures from
standard free trade policies will be unavoidable.
Alan Tonelson is the founder of RealityChek, a public policy blog focusing on economics
and national security, and the author of The Race to the Bottom .
, Mar 26 2020 20:46
utc | augusto
We know how the USofA has been over last months now harassing, blackmailing an' threatening
other countries NOT to adopt the chinese HUawei 5G technologies.
Many nations were threatened, UK, Berlin, Brazil etc
Now Germany the first vassal of the Empire, 'primus inter pares' has seemingly prohibited
the exportation of breathers to other countries - who of course need them most.
So what is globalism after all.
A nice idea the rich sell the morons, and tamed nations of the world. But which gets
zeroed as soon as their main interests are menaced.
Likklemore , Mar 26 2020 18:54 utc |
there are shortages of masks and gloves for the frontline so joe and jane may not be allowed.
Governments are partnering with manufacturing companies. How bad is it?
In the Inbox: As a result of these posts on social media -
Hospitals Muzzle Doctors and
Nurses on PPE, COVID-19 Cases
"Physicians are being warned not to speak or post publicly about their COVID-19
experiences, including PPE shortages, case specifics, and the percentage of full hospital
and who shall live and who shall die...
Hospitals across U.S. consider universal do-not-resuscitate orders for coronavirus
Hospitals on the front lines of the pandemic are engaged in a heated private debate over a
calculation few have encountered in their lifetimes - how to weigh the "save at all costs"
approach to resuscitating a dying patient against the real danger of exposing doctors and
nurses to the contagion of coronavirus.
The conversations are driven by the realization that the risk to staff amid dwindling
stores of protective equipment - such as masks, gowns and gloves - may be too great to
justify the conventional response when a patient "codes," and their heart or breathing
Northwestern Memorial Hospital in Chicago has been discussing a universal
do-not-resuscitate policy for infected patients, regardless of the wishes of the patient or
their family members - a wrenching decision to prioritize the lives of the many over the
Canada and U.S. were in discussions?
U.S. considers putting troops at Canadian border.
Really? How does one divide the library?
Canada says unnecessary
aleksandar , Mar 26 2020 20:00 utc |
High quality Microfilter bags for vacuum cleaners are ways better
And you can wash them
Yeah, Right , Mar 26 2020 21:31 utc |
The masks are useful even if they aren't 100% useful in blocking water droplets, insofar as
wearing a mask makes it much less likely that you will touch your mouth with your hands or
stick your finger in your nose.
If you also get into the habit of vigorously washing your hands before and after eating,
well, you have done most of the hard yards in avoiding infection.
c1ue , Mar 27 2020 12:36 utc |
Some important details on the France ibuprofen yes or no debate:
The trouble over ibuprofen began March 11, when researchers at University Hospital Basel,
in Switzerland, and Aristotle University of Thessaloniki, in Greece, published a letter in
The Lancet Respiratory Medicine. The letter reviewed three early sets of case reports from
China, covering almost 1,300 patients gravely ill with Covid-19. The letter's authors
observed that significant numbers of those patients had high blood pressure and diabetes,
from 12 percent to 30 percent depending on the study, and theorized that higher rates of
expression of a particular enzyme, known for short as ACE2, might be raising the risk of
ACE2 provides a place on cell surfaces for the coronavirus to attach and enter in order
to replicate. High blood pressure and diabetes are treated with drugs that suppress
inflammation, called ACE inhibitors; the inhibitors, paradoxically, cause ACE2 to rise.
That interaction is where the authors spotted a possible connection between patients
experiencing chronic diseases and then becoming infected with Covid-19.
And that's where ibuprofen entered the unfolding story, too. The over-the-counter drug
doesn't only knock down fever. It also reduces inflammation (the class of drugs it belongs
to are known as NSAIDs, non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs). That effect, as with the
anti-inflammatory drugs given to chronic disease patients, can cause ACE2 to rise.
So any anti-inflammatory - whether ibuprofen or actual anti-inflammatory drugs - *can*
(not will) cause ACE2 to rise. And ACE2 is what nCOV latches on to.
So the acetominophen/paracetamol vs. ibuprofen has nothing to do with the fever reduction
side but the potential increase of ACE2, which *might* increase susceptibility to
Steam can be used for decontamination of cotton, but not polister
You can spay them with alcohol
Passer by , Mar 26 2020 19:04 utc |
On the protection issue, use FFP 3 respirator masks (EU), or N99 (US) or KN 99 (China) and
scarf over it. These masks filter 98 % of micro particles, including viruses. In case of mask
shortages steam can be used to decontaminate masks. Also use gloves, eye protection and
raincoat when in risky areas. Everything new taken in your home must be under 3 - 4 days
quarantine in separate room. The raincoat too. After this quarantine items can be further
cleaned with steam, ethanol, bleach + water, and groceries via soap and water.
Virus can stay for 3 hours in mid air (room) and 3 days on some surfaces. And it is
possible that can even survive for up to 17 days on some surfaces, which would be pretty bad
news. At least 5 meters distance between people outside is needed.
A.L. , Mar 26 2020 19:57 utc |
1. do not steam your masks. they are made of polyester and will shrink into a blob. people
have tried and failed. you can wash with soap and dry or low temp bake as B suggested. they
will eventually fail from delaminating or the elastic band snapping.
stop behaving like you don't want to catch it, behave like you have it and you don't
want others to catch it. we'll all be better off.
3. going on 2 -
wearing masks with exhaust valves will just spray virus straight out of
you're infected. if you're not sure you're infected (and you don't) wearing a valves N95 is
just a dick act.
4. when PPE were in short supply in China, what they did was to wear N95 with surgical
mask over the top. it's definitely off-label use but at least you can then reuse your
precious N95 as it's shielded from external pathogens, at the same time your own exhaust
valve (see 3) is also shielded from others.
Peter AU1 , Mar 27 2020 11:53 utc |
Malaria is a single cell bug called a protozoa. My understanding that is a class of bugs like
bacteria and viruses are classes of bugs.
Mosquitoes carry or host the bug and pass it onto people. The quinine type drugs block the
bug and prevent it from attaching or entering cells. That is how the drug also works against
the corona viruses. Various strains of the malaria bug have developed resistance to various
Because SARS-CoV-2 is a new bug, it should not have developed a resistance to any
Human immunity is directed at pathogens and seems very specific even to strains as can be
seen with influenza vaccines, and the malaria protozoa is a very different animal to the
That's the basics as I know it. Others here may be able to explain it a little
Allen , Mar 27 2020 1:57 utc |
The money-driven institutions long ago hijacked America's health agencies–the Centers
for Disease Control (CDC), FDA, Health and Human Services (HHS), National Institutes of
Allergies and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), National Institutes of Mental Health, and the
USDA– authentic scientific inquiry of any sort is virtually impossible in this climate.
During the past two decades the lines dividing the pharmaceutical industry and the federal
health agencies has become increasingly blurred to put it kindly. The revolving door between
private interests and top government employees at these agencies is well documented. One
example is former CDC director Julie Gerberding who left government to become president of
Merck's vaccine division, a move that earned her upwards of $3 million in stock options.
Keep in mind that CDC members own more than 50 patents connected to vaccinations.
Each of the 12 members of the CDC's ACIP Committee has a significant influence on the
health of nearly every member of the American population. These are the people who are
responsible for adding to and/or altering the national vaccine schedule. Does anyone believe
for a second that given that these CDC members have a direct financial interest in this
matter that they can remain objective and unbiased in creating vaccine policy, for
A significant number of ACIP committee members receive direct financial returns when more
vaccinations are added to the current schedule. Many own vaccination related patents.
Some examples of patents owned or shared by members of the CDC and/or ACIP committee
1) Nucleic acid vaccines for prevention of flavivirus infection"
2) Various vaccination testing methods
3) Adjuvant patents
4) Assays that assist vaccine development
5) Vaccine quality control
Members of the CDC also own stock shares of the pharmaceutical companies responsible for
supplying new vaccines to the public. Others receive research grant money, funding for their
academic departments, or payments for the oversight of vaccine safety trials.
In 2007 the WHO changed it's definition of what qualifies as a pandemic. That needs to
considered in the context of how the WHO changing it's funding mechanisms in 2005- meaning
they went from a member states funded entity to a "private/public" partnership (PPP's).
As you might imagine the pharmaceuticals became primary donors and began to influence and
now control policy decisions that come down from the WHO. Let's also keep in mind that when a
"global pandemic" (again this is now defined by a decision-making body tied to large Pharma
companies) is officially declared, certain powers now become "legal" for governments.
One of THE main outcomes in these PPP's is that virtually all funding for medical research
gets funneled into certain spheres- meaning towards research that is ultimately going to
benefit those companies funding it- Big Pharma.
VietnamVet , Mar 27 2020 3:03 utc |
Exactly, a containment strategy with universal testing and quarantine of the infected (ill
and asymptomatic) at home or safe facilities is required keep western society from collapsing
from this and future waves of the novel coronavirus until a treatment or vaccine is
The problem in the USA is that this will require the reconstruction of the government and
a national public health system to run the monitoring and quarantine system. Instead, the
corrupt oligarchy will use government money to rescue themselves rather than saving the lives
john brewster , Mar 26 2020 22:56 utc |
The neoliberal wrecking of our hospital system has been widely cited as a cause of the
crisis. Among other things, hospitals reduced the number of beds, sold ventilators, and ran
down supplies of masks and protective clothing in order to increase profitability.
On the way to this crisis, the private hospital industry gave the American public the
actions and the rhetoric of the Milo Minderbinder character from Catch-22:
What's good for M & M Enterprises will be good for the country.
Milo stripped out and sold all kinds of life-saving kit: morphine vials, parachutes, CO2
inflator cartridges for life vests. Milo epitomizes the neoliberal short-term, bottom-line,
zero-redundancy world view that has looted America and corrupted its democracy over the last
Just like the hapless flightcrew in Catch-22, Americans are discovering the true meaning
behind the private hospitals' claim that what was good for their corporations was good for
the "crew" as they survey the looted and privatized corpse of their healthcare system.
What was satire 50 years ago, is reality today. We had a preview of this when Rumsfeld ran
Was Donald Rumsfeld channeling Milo (and laughing up his sleeve) when he said:
It is clearly cost-effective to have contractors for a variety of things that military
people need not do, and that, for whatever reason, other civilians, government people,
cannot be deployed to do...
But I personally am of the view that
there are a lot of things that can be done on a
short-time basis by contractors that advantage the United States and advantage other
countries who also hire contractors. And that any idea that we shouldn't have them, I
think, would be unwise.
- D. Rumsfeld, Rumsfeld's Speech on the Future of Iraq (2005)
Exactly when did America become a bunch of out-takes from Catch-22?
jayvee , Mar 27 2020 1:53 utc |
This is an hour with experts who ran the Singapore response. It answers many of our questions
and also those which cannot yet be answered. I resisted listening because it's an hour, but
it was worthwhile.
MoA - More Bits On
The Corona Crisis
Tests and care for Covid-19 must be for free. We need hospitals to care for only the
critical cases. We need quarantine centers to isolate the milder cases from the wider
population. Many hotels, sport arenas and exhibition halls are currently empty. They can be
converted into quarantine stations within a day or two. People will have to stay for only two
weeks. They would be fed and would have medical attention. That is a small restriction of the
freedom of a few for a large benefit for our societies.
We must also introduce the
wearing of a mask in public as a new social norm:
A number of studies have reported that a significant portion of people are even spreading the
virus while presymptomatic -- in the day or two before they start to feel ill. Presymptomatic
spreaders are, well, gonna spread. It's not their fault.
How much this type of transmission is driving the pandemic is unclear but it could be
significant. Gabriel Leung, dean of medicine at the University of Hong Kong, has estimated
about 40% of cases transmit before symptoms develop. A recent preprint -- a study that has
not yet been peer-reviewed -- from China pooled data from seven countries and estimated a
very similar 43%.
The novel coronavirus is spread to a large part by people who stay asymptomatic and by
people who do not yet feel sick but will later show symptoms. When they talk, sneeze or cough
they release small droplets that carry viruses. The droplets can stay in the air for some time.
If a person coming along inhales those droplets the viruses will likely infect that person.
Those who have have the virus or might spread it should wear a mask because it prevents
their droplets from flying out. Those who do not have the virus should wear a mask to prevent
droplets from entering their body.
We were told that 'masks don't work' because they are not a 100% protection. The very tiny
viruses can pass behind the mask at its sides or they can slip through its webbing. But the
virus is not traveling alone but as part of a droplet. Even a relatively wide webbing may hold
it up. If it is doubled with a sheet of cosmetic paper towel in between the protection will be
even better. Microfilter bags for vacuum cleaners and so called
HEPA filters are also effective materials that are
readily available and easy to turn into masks.
The development of the epidemic will depend on how many people will start to regularly wear
masks when they are not at home. Even if the protection masks prevent only 50% of new
infections the speed with which the epidemic will unfold will be significantly lower.
Source: - Financial
Consider that the societies in the blue circle are all ones where people regularly wear
masks while the other countries (except China which was surprised by the outbreak) are
societies were wearing a mask is seen as unusual. These 'blue' countries, which also gained
experience during the SARS and MERS epidemics, show significant flatter trajectories.
Graphs similar to the above for all U.S. states and territories can be found
Meanwhile U.S. media continue to spread anti-China propaganda:
European Countries Report High Error Rate For Chinese Supplied Coronavirus Tests
Medical personnel in Spain and the Czech Republic have reported that the coronavirus rapid
tests their respective countries have received from China are faulty and have a high error
Several labs in Spanish hospitals have reported that the test kits they purchased,
manufactured by Chinese company Bioeasy and based in Shenzhen, have a sensitivity of 30% when
the sensitivity should be above 80%, Spanish newspaper El País reported Thursday. Due
to the test's lack of reliability, medical personnel in Spain have switched back to the PCR
test, which takes up to four hours for a diagnosis, while rapid tests take between 10 to 15
The Spanish government purchased 340,000 tests from the Chinese company, a similar
quantity to the tests ordered by the Czech Republic, where medical personnel also report an
80% failure rate.
When one checks the original reports
from Spain and from the
Czech Republic one learns that these countries bought anti-body tests which only react when
a person has had the virus for some time and developed anti-bodies against it. These tests can
obviously not be used to find persons who are infected but have not yet developed
China's ambassador in Spain also
pointed out that these tests
have yet to be verified by the regulator and were imported without the help or knowledge of the
The anti-body tests are valuable to identify people who have developed current immunity
against the virus. These people can then care for those who are most endangered by the disease.
Anti-body tests are quick. They can be used anywhere.
The polymerase chain reaction (PCR) tests which are currently necessary to find if someone
has the virus take at least four hours and specialized laboratories to process them. We will
need a much quicker reliable test if we want to put our economies back to work. Luckily several
companies and academic groups are already working on these and a 45 minute test is now
ready to be marketed .
When we have a quick test for the virus and a quick test for anti-bodies available in mass
we can restart the economy by 'filtering' through the population on a large scale. Movement
restrictions would then only be needed for those who show virus-positive and anti-body negative
results. All others could go back to work.
There would certainly still be outbreaks from people who escaped the 'filtering' process but
with easy testing and care in place those clusters can be locally contained.
It may take another two month or so to get to that point. Until then there is little we can
do but to stay apart as much as possible and to wear our masks.
chu teh , Mar 27 2020 3:01 utc |
@Richard Steven Hack | Mar 26 2020 23:39 utc | 88
re spread of CV19--yr post interests me.
Have seen no data on how many viral particles it takes to cause a serious effect. Likely,
such data would be in terms of probability at X [number of viral particles]. Such is known
for many infective agents in surface and aerosol form, but CV19 may be very different.
Can CV19 vapor aerosol from mouth/breath in still air, exclusive of explosive discharge
via cough/sneeze, cause full-blown case beyond 6 feet? I'd like to know.
Also, have not seen any data re time duration of infective after it enters throat passage
on journey to lungs. I posit that there are anti-viral liquids that might be effective if
small amount were trickled down throat 2x per day; surely just before bedtime to discourage
the next 7-hs of undisturbed incubation. I do take something that I am guessing may be
effective. [E.g., I also
"heard" OliveOilExtract as anti-viral but I have no experience with it.]
Another thought: Re different strains of CV19 having very different outcomes...Anyone
suggestion that US forms collectively having, say, milder outcomes relative to
China/Iran/LombardyItaly, etc? Seems to be an aversion to testing the general population, or
even publishing all results of the small amount of tests with time+place data. Where are the
lists of 1st observations of "unusual flu" in US? that would NORMALLY, provoke tracking +
names/places of sequential contacts?
Routine discovery and mapping of communication lines is very likely to uncover a lot of
truth. That is what rational folks desire.
"... Today supermarkets are playing a ground-zero role in our struggle to adapt to restrictions imposed by COVID-19. And grocery workers are bearing much of the the brunt of our anxiety and frustration, as we [who?] descend on depleted stores. ..."
careless people, Tom and Daisy- they smashed up things and creatures and then retreated back
into their money or their vast carelessness or whatever it was that kept them together, and let
other people clean up the mess they had made. -- F. Scott Fitzgerald, The Great
In the United States, #COVID-19 began with globalization and globalizers. One thing we can
be of is that grovery workers -- to whom the virus will "trickle down" soon enough -- didn't
create the conditions for it, or introduce it. Let's take a look at the grocery workers before
dollying back to the global. From the Los Angeles Times, "
Column: How coronavirus turned supermarket workers into heroes ":
Today supermarkets are playing a ground-zero role in our struggle to adapt to restrictions
imposed by COVID-19. And grocery workers are bearing much of the the brunt of our anxiety and
frustration, as we [who?] descend on depleted stores.
Without masks or barriers, employees are working long hours, risking infection and
battling exhaustion to do their jobs. They connect us to material essentials, like bread and
toilet paper. But they're also part of the social fabric that holds us together in unsettling
That friendly chat with the guy restocking the egg case this morning might be my only
social interaction on this shelter-at-home day. And I feel better whenever I see my favorite
cashier at her register. There's something reassuring about the familiar in a world where
everything has changed.
Markets are about the only place we're still allowed to gather en masse. And their
employees -- pressed into service in ways they never expected -- are our new first
responders. They're apt to see us at our worst, and they aim to ease our strain.
"They're dealing with a public that's fearful, apprehensive and frustrated, and it gets
hostile," [said John Grant, a former meatpacker who is president of the union that represents
grocery employees in Southern California]. "This wasn't what they signed up for, but they
realize it's their responsibility. They've cursed how vulnerable they are, and yet they keep
going out of their profound dedication to their communities."
Funny thing. The people who "connect us to material essentials" are suddenly more important
than Senators and Represenatives (who can fly home), or all the MBAs in the head office, or the
CEOs. Heaven forfend they collectively decided to withdraw their labor!
"Vulnerable" as the grocery workers are, they didn't bring #COVID19 on themselves or us.
First, I'll look at how globalization made the "material essentials" to deal with #COVID19 so
hard to obtain. Then, I'll look at how globalizers were vectors for the diseases spread.
The story of how the United States 1% deindustrialized American by moving our manufacturing
base offshore (mostly to China) is well known and I will not rehearse it here. From the New
York Times, "
How the World's Richest
Country Ran Out of a 75-Cent Face Mask ":
The answer to why we're running out of protective gear involves a very American set of
capitalist pathologies -- the rise and inevitable lure of low-cost overseas manufacturing,
and a strategic failure, at the national level and in the health care industry, to consider
seriously the cascading vulnerabilities that flowed from the incentives to reduce costs.
(By "reduce costs," of course, we mean "increase profits.") The shortage of masks has been
the dominant narrative, but we don't make
anything . If masks had not been "the long
pole in the tent," as project managers say, something else would have been or will be:
nasal swabs for testing, extraction
kits and pipettes , reagents
, whatever. The real issue is not a shortage of this or that material essential, but a
forty-year policy of globalization, supported by the ruling class as a whole, that has led to a
shortage of all material essentials (and that's not even taking austerity and the
general gutting of public services into account). I have altered
the famous "flattening the curve" chart (here with "dotted line to show capacity") to show
Lack of "material essentials" reduces our capacity ("How many very sick people hospitals can
treat"); it pushes the dotted line down. So we either have to flatten the curve further than we
would otherwise have to do, or we don't, and lose lives. Thank you, globalization! And with
that, let's turn to the globalizers.
By globalizers, I mean the 1% on down, plus the PMC (Professional Manager Class) who own and
manage our globalized system. One effect of globalization has been the vast expansion of air
transport and international travel, so that globalizers can do their jobs. And tha
t's how SARS-COV-2 was brought to the United States :
The man who would become Patient Zero for the new coronavirus outbreak in the U.S.
appeared to do everything right. He arrived Jan. 19 at an urgent-care clinic in a suburb
north of Seattle with a slightly elevated temperature and a cough he'd developed soon after
returning four days earlier from a visit with family in Wuhan, China.
(I'm not blaming any individual; I travel internationally myself, and there are many good
reasons to do it. But international air travel was the vector that brought the virus to the
United States. That is the system. I'm assuming Patient Zero travelled for professional
reasons, since Wuhan is an unlikely tourist destination.)
We can make a highly suggestive correlation between globalizers and COVID-19 if we look at
two simple maps. First,
is well known , one of the main distinctions between the places that are " optimistic,
diverse, dynamic, moving forward " (i.e., globalizers) and the dull provincials in flyover
is the possession of passports. (A passport is a likely marker for the sort of person who asks
"Why don't they just leave?"; "front-row kids," in Chris Arnade's parlance, as distinguished
from, say, grocery workers, who he calls "back-row" kids.) Here is a map of passport ownership
And here is
a map of COVID-19 outbreaks:
The correlation is rather neat, don't you think? It makes sense that the first case was in a
globalist, passport-owning city like Seattle on the West Coast; and it makes sense that the
world capital of globalization, passport-owning New York City, now has a major outbreak.
the ability to
travel by air correlates to income (a proxy for class):
If one hypothesizes, as I am doing, that COVID-19 will trickle from globalizers downward, we
might ask ourselves how that will happen. One answer, of course, is social interaction between
the globalizers themselves. The New York Times describes "
Zero: How a Soirée in Connecticut Became a 'Super Spreader ':"
About 50 guests gathered on March 5 at a home in the stately suburb of Westport, Conn., to
toast the hostess on her 40th birthday and greet old friends, including one visiting from
South Africa. They shared reminiscences, a lavish buffet and, unknown to anyone, the
Then they scattered.
The Westport soirée -- Party Zero in southwestern Connecticut and beyond -- is a
story of how, in the Gilded Age of money, social connectedness and air travel, a pandemic has
spread at lightning speed. The partygoers -- more than half of whom are now infected -- left
that evening for Johannesburg, New York City and other parts of Connecticut and the United
States, all seeding infections on the way.
Westport, a town of 28,000 on the Long Island Sound, did not have a single known case of
the coronavirus on the day of the party. It had 85 on Monday, up more than 40-fold in 11
It is the globalizers' ability to "scatter," in other words -- both internationally and
domestically -- that made them such effective vectors. The Westport hot-spot was innocent,
since nobody knew enough about COVID-19. Other examples are not innocent at all, where
globalizers infect all those around them by trying to escape the disease. The Hamptons example
is famous. From the New York Post, "
'We should blow up the bridges' -- coronavirus leads to class warfare in Hamptons ":<