Deep state is now trying to depose Trump via color revolution mechanisms or, as a minimum to convert
him into Obama II
They want to eliminate his stance against neoliberal globalization, against hostility
with Russia, and neoliberal wars for the expansion of US-led global neoliberal empire
Much depends on how many neocons will be slipped into his administration
The last time America saw a strong paleo-conservative was
Pat Buchanan in 1996. An early win in Louisiana caused Buchanan to place second in Iowa and first
in New Hampshire. Lacking money, Buchanan was steamrolled by the establishment in Arizona and, in terms
of paleo-conservatism, many thought he was the Last of the Mohicans. Trump's campaign is Buchananesque
with one difference: Trump has money... -- by Joseph R. Murray II
(Orlando Sentinel, Aug 12, 2015)
The fact the American people discarded the neocon warmonger Hillary Clinton is encouraging, but
as it is not clear whether Trump is capable to deliver his key foreign policy promises, such a
detente with Russia, and no new wars of neoliberal empire expansion. Or he will be co-opted by
Washington neocons and gradually became Bush IV or Obama II.
In this chess game, Trump will need to find new people ready to go and skillfully navigate
around the neocon swamp and land mines. Separately, Trump has put in new rules prohibiting lobbying
for five years after service in his administration and total prohibition of being lobbyist of
foreign states. That is really revolutionary and this alone make Trump distinct from a typical
Wall Street and Corporate America were almost certain of a Hillary victory. The crony
capitalists, who contributed to Hillary’s campaign, to protect themselves from the economic
policies of liberals, gave almost nothing to Trump. He doesn’t owe them a thing. And, Trump not
only ran against the powerful Democrat machine, he ran against the Republican establishment, and
the broadcast and print media, who were brutally against him. Winning under those circumstances
puts Trump in a very strong and independent position. He has waken enough Americans to the
reality of elitism. It’s the beginning of the end of the long depression, the social destruction,
and the foreign policy disasters. Trump will be a hard liner to right the ship.
The good news is that Hillary Clinton won’t be starting World War III. Also, at least for now and
probably forever, we are rid of the two most obnoxious and corrupt political families in recent
American history, the Bushes and the Clintons. For this, we need to thank Donald Trump. Please
remember him on Thanksgiving Day.
On trade policy, job creation, infrastructure development and preserving
the standard of living of middle class, the positions Trump took during the campaign beat anything
Hillary promised. Despite running as a Republican (but more correctly he run and an independent)
Trump outflanked her from the left. Can he deliver is another question. As professor
Andrew Levine wrote in
With Trump and For Himon (CounterPunch, Nov 18, 2016).
And his views on relations with Russia and China, regime change wars, and
imperial overreach, as best they can be ascertained, are a lot wiser and less
lethal than hers. These are not so much left-right issues as matters of common
Clinton’s overriding concern was and always has been to maintain and expand
American world domination — in the face of economic decline, and at no matter
what cost. Trump wants, or says he wants, to do business with other countries
in the way that he did with sleaze ball real estate moguls and network
executives, people like himself. He wants to make deals.
The Trump way is, as they say, “transactional.” The idea is to wheel and
deal on a case-by-case basis, with no further, non-pecuniary end in view.
... ... ...
Better that, though, than a foreign policy dedicated to keeping America the
world’s hegemon. That is the foreign policy establishment’s aim; it is
therefore Clinton’s too. It is the way of perpetual war. Trump’s way is far
from ideal, but it is less wasteful, less onerous and less reckless.
During the campaign, Trump would sometimes speak out against banksters and
financiers, especially the too-big-to-fail and too-big-to-jail kind. For some
time, though, the “populist” billionaire has been signaling to his class
brothers and sisters in the financial “industry” that he is more likely to
deregulate than to regulate their machinations.
This will become even clearer once Trump settles on key Cabinet posts and on
his economic advisors. It is already plain, though, that the modern day
counterparts of Theodore Roosevelt’s “malefactors of great wealth” have little
to fear; they and Trump are joined by indissoluble bonds of class-consciousness
Many of the rich and heinous were skeptical of Trump’s candidacy at first;
because he is such a loose cannon. But now that he has won, the bastards are
sucking up; and glee is returning to Wall Street.
Trump is now starting too to allay the fears of the movers and shakers of
the National Security State. He still has a way to go, however. We can
therefore still hope that they are right to worry. What is bad for them is good
for the country.
Clinton’s defeat also seems to have unnerved their counterparts in European
capitals, at NATO headquarters in Brussels, and in Japan, South Korea and other
countries where the presence of the American military has been very very good
for the few at the top, and disastrous for ordinary people.
If he means it, then more power to him. The United States and the rest of
the world would be well rid of the American dominated military alliances now in
place; NATO most of all. However, having talked with him, Obama is now telling
the Europeans that Trump is fine with NATO. Time will tell.
Then there is Israel. Trump thinks that the blank check the ethnocratic settler
state already gets from the United States isn’t nearly enough. So much for
allies paying their own way!
However, even if Trump leaves America’s perpetual war regime and its military
alliances intact, some good could come just from him being at the helm – not so
much because, as a wheeler and dealer, he would be less inclined actually to
start wars than has become the norm, but because he is vile enough, and enough
of an embarrassment, to undermine America’s prestige, hastening the day when
the hegemon is a hegemon no more.
This would be good for most Americans, and good for the world.
The election he won has already done a lot to explode the idea, more widely
believed at home than abroad, that American “democracy” is somehow a model for
What happens next in Washington? Trump fills out his administration. At the same time,
Washington insiders attempt to capture Trump and influence his positions, policies and decisions.
The presidency is an institution, not a man, not a president. The presidency is a network of
enormous power with Trump now at its center. Washington
insiders who live and breathe politics are now in a race for positions of power and
influence. They hanker and vie for appointments. Trump must make appointments. He cannot operate
alone. He must delegate power to make decisions. He cannot monitor all information pertinent to
every issue in which the government has a hand.
The presidency is not 100 percent centralized. Decision-making power is allocated to levels below
the president himself and to levels surrounding him. It also lies outside the presidency in
Congress. Trump has his ideas and desires for actions, but their realization depends on the
people he appoints. He loses control and locks himself in with every appointment that he makes.
People around him want his power and want to influence him. They have a heavy influence on what
he hears, whom he sees, the options presented to him, and the evaluations of competing personnel.
Trump will likely form a very small team of offshoots of himself, people whom he trusts
implicitly, in order to extend his capacity to choose people who will adhere to and execute his
Power in Washington is not simply the apparatus of administering the presidency that will take up
headlines for the next few months. After the U.S. Treasury robs the tax-paying Americans, new
robbers (the Lobby) appear to rob the Treasury using every device they can get away with. There
is a second contingent, the power-seekers. Those who covet the exercise of power unceasingly work
toward their own narrow aims. As long as Washington remains the place that concentrates
unbelievably large amounts of money and powers, it will remain the swamp that Trump has promised
to drain but won’t. He cannot drain it, not without destroying Washington’s power and he cannot
accomplish that, nor does he even hint that he wants to accomplish that. His stated aims are the
redirection of money and powers, not their elimination for the sake of a greater justice, a
greater right, and a truly greater people and country.
The presidency is an establishment and Washington is another. By being elected, Trump struck a
blow at the members of the establishment who will be packing their bags while weeping
over their losses (see here and here.)
But elections do not strike the roots of the presidency, the establishment or Washington. Neither
will demonstrations against Trump.
The Obama establishment is dead. The Democratic establishment is dead, at least for 4 years.
There was a time, a very brief time under the Articles of Confederation, when Americans
recognized the evils of the establishment and avoided instituting one. This gave way almost
immediately (in 1787) to the constitutional seed that planted the enormous tree that now cuts out
the sun of justice from American lives. A domestic war failed to uproot that tree. Long live the
establishment, the Union, the American state, and may they be possessed of immense powers over
our lives — these became the social and political reality. Trump isn’t going to change it. He’s a
president administering a presidency. He’s at the top of the heap. His credo is still “Long Live
America’s globalists and interventionists are already pushing the meme that because so many establishment
and entrenched national security and military «experts» opposed Trump’s candidacy, Trump is «required»
to call on them to join his administration because there are not enough such «experts» among Trump’s
inner circle of advisers.
Trump must distance himself from sudden well-wishing neocons, adventurists, militarists, and interventionists
and not permit them to infest his administration.
President-elect Trump cannot afford to permit those who are in the same web as Nuland, Hadley,
Bolton, and others to join his administration where they would metastasize like an aggressive form
of cancer. These individuals would not carry out Trump's policies but seek to continue to damage
America's relations with Russia, China, Iran, Cuba, and other nations.
President-elect Trump is facing a two-pronged attack by his opponents. One, led by entrenched
neo-con bureaucrats, including former Central Intelligence Agency and National Security Agency director
Michael Hayden, former Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, and Bush family loyalists are
seeking to call the shots on who Trump appoints to senior national security, intelligence, foreign
policy, and defense positions in his administration. These neo-Cold Warriors are trying to convince
Trump that he must maintain the Obama aggressiveness and militancy toward Russia, China, Iran, Venezuela,
Cuba, and other countries. The second front arrayed against Trump is from Soros-funded political
groups and media. This second line of attack is a propaganda war, utilizing hundreds of anti-Trump
newspapers, web sites, and broadcasters, that will seek to undermine public confidence in the
Trump administration from its outset.
It is January 20th, 2017. President Donald J. Trump is presiding over his very first meeting with
his national security team.
Trump : We must destroy ISIS immediately. No delays.
CIA : We cannot do that, sir. We created them.
Trump : The Democrats created them.
CIA : We created ISIS, sir. You need them or else you would lose funding from the natural gas lobby.
Trump : Stop funding Pakistan. Let India deal with them.
CIA : We can't do that.
Trump : Why is that?
CIA : India will cut Balochistan out of Pak.
Trump : I don't care.
CIA : India will have peace in Kashmir. They will stop buying our weapons. They will become a superpower.
We have to fund Pakistan to keep India busy in Kashmir.
Trump : But you have to destroy the Taliban.
CIA : Sir, we can't do that. We created the Taliban to keep Russia in check during the 80s. Now they
are keeping Pakistan busy and away from their nukes.
Trump : We have to destroy terror sponsoring regimes in the Middle East. Let us start with the
Pentagon : Sir, we can't do that. We created those regimes because we wanted their oil. We can't
have democracy there, otherwise their people will get that oil - and we cannot let their people own
Trump : Then, let us invade Iran.
Pentagon : We cannot do that either, sir.
Trump : Why not?
CIA : We are talking to them, sir.
Trump : What? Why?
CIA : We want our Stealth Drones back. If we attack them, Russia will obliterate us as they did to
our buddy ISIS in Syria. Besides we need Iran to keep Israel in check.
Trump : Then let us invade Iraq again.
CIA : Sir, our friends (ISIS) are already occupying 1/3rd of Iraq.
Trump : Why not the whole of Iraq?
CIA : We need the Shi'ite govt of Iraq to keep ISIS in check.
Trump : I am banning Muslims from entering the US.
Homeland Security : We can't do that.
Trump : Why not?
Homeland Security : Then our own population will stop fearing terrorism and be harder to control.
Trump : I am deporting all illegal immigrants to south of the border.
Border patrol : You can't do that, sir.
Trump : Why not?
Border patrol : If they're gone, who will build the wall?
Trump : I am banning H1B visas.
USCIS : You cannot do that.
Trump : Why?
Chief of Staff : If you do so, we'll have to outsource White House operations to Bangalore. Which
is in India.
Trump (sweating profusely by now): What the hell should I do as President???
CIA : Enjoy the White House, sir! We'll take care of the rest!
Buchanan demonstrates very superficial understanding of the result of the USSR collapse.
Afghan war was just one contributing factor. It was never the primary reason. Soviet
people understood pretty well that they actually faced the USA in Afghan war. Or more
correctly the combination of the USA has technological superiority, Saudi money and
political Islam. The fact that the USA supplied Stingers portable anti-aircraft rocket launchers.
Which later will shoot down some US helicopters. The fact the the USA fe-factor put
political Islam on front burner later will bite the USA several times.
Also Buchanan does not understand the role of neoliberal revolution (or coup d'état if you
wish, called quite coup) of 80th in the current US troubles. Trump was the first ever presidential
candidate, who companied and managed to win the elections on promises to tame neoliberal
globalization. The fact that he was crushed in six month of so is not surprising, as he
faced very well organize Trotskyite militants (aka deep state) - neoliberalism is actually
Trotskyism for rish. Russiagate witch hunt with its Special Prosecutor is a replica of
Stalin processes. As Marx used to say history repeats, first as tragedy, second as farce.
"I have not become the King's First Minister in order to preside over the liquidation of the
British Empire," said Winston Churchill. and this is the essence of Trump betrual of his
"... Is it now the turn of the Americans? Persuaded by his generals -- Mattis at Defense, McMasters on the National Security Council, Kelly as chief of staff -- President Trump is sending some 4,000 more U.S. troops to Afghanistan to augment the 8,500 already there. Like Presidents Obama and Bush, he does not intend to preside over a U.S. defeat in its longest war. Nor do his generals. Yet how can we defeat the Taliban with 13,000 troops when we failed to do so with the 100,000 Obama sent? The new troops are to train the Afghan army to take over the war, to continue eradicating the terrorist elements like ISIS, and to prevent Kabul and other cities from falling to a Taliban now dominant in 40 percent of the country. ..."
"... Writes Bob Merry in the fall issue of The National interest: "War between Russia and the West seems nearly inevitable. No self-respecting nation facing inexorable encirclement by an alliance of hostile neighbors can allow such pressures and forces to continue indefinitely. Eventually (Russia) must protect its interests through military action." ..."
"... Trump himself seems hell-bent on tearing up the nuclear deal with Iran. This would lead inexorably to a U.S. ultimatum, where Iran would be expected to back down or face a war that would set the Persian Gulf ablaze. ..."
"... Yet the country did not vote for confrontation or war. ..."
"... America voted for Trump's promise to improve ties with Russia, to make Europe shoulder more of the cost of its defense, to annihilate ISIS and extricate us from Mideast wars, to stay out of future wars. ..."
"... This agenda did exist and Trump used it to get elected. Once he pulled off that trick he tried to get together again (unsuccessfully) with his New York Plutocrat friends. It's that New York social background. It's always been difficult to see Trump fit together economically or socially with the America that elected him, and after he got elected he quickly weakened his ties with Middle America. So why should he complain about Fake News since he got elected on a Fake Agenda? ..."
"... Trump does not even remember what he was elected to do. A man who was determined to drain the swamp is deep, up to his neck, in that swamp. The neocons and the never-Trumpers are the main decision makers in the Trump administration. All the loyal supporters have been chased out of the Trump's inner circle. A man who built his empire with his brain and shrewdness can't seem to handle the Presidency. He is trying to appease the very same people who opposed him in the election. ..."
"... For a smart businessman, Donald Trump can't seem to make any friends. There is a very simple solution to these wars of choice. Mr. Trump swallow your pride and bring the boys home. You will save American lives and will also earn the gratitude of the families of these soldiers. You may even bring peace to many countries around the world and people who have been displaced by these wars can return home. You may even solve the refugee problem in the process. You might even save your presidency. Give peace a chance. ..."
"... I think The Donald offered the lame excuse that things looks much different when you're in the oval office vs. the campaign trail. That won't be any consolation to people who voted for him in the hopes that their family members in the military would be coming home soon. And it won't be any consolation to some members of his base. ..."
"... Trump isn't going to keep his campaign promises. ..."
"... Continuing to maintain forces in South Korea continues to contribute to our bankruptcy. ..."
"... Now that the generals have gone wild under Trump we may as well admit that we're ruled by a military junta. We'll let them make all the decisions since they're so brilliant while Trump tweets and holds stupid rallies trying to convince people that he hasn't reneged on any campaign promises. ..."
"I have not become the King's First Minister in order to preside over the liquidation of the
British Empire," said Winston Churchill to cheers at the Lord Mayor's luncheon in London in
November 1942. True to his word, the great man did not begin the liquidation. When his countrymen threw him out in July 1945, that role fell to Clement Attlee, who began
the liquidation. Churchill, during his second premiership from 1951-1955, would continue the
process, as would his successor, Harold Macmillan, until the greatest empire the world had ever
seen had vanished.
While its demise was inevitable, the death of the empire was hastened and made mo re
humiliating by the wars into which Churchill had helped to plunge Britain, wars that bled and
bankrupted his nation. At Yalta in 1945, Stalin and FDR treated the old imperialist with something approaching
bemused contempt. War is the health of the state, but the death of empires. The German, Austro-Hungarian, Russian and Ottoman empires all fell in World War I. World War
II ended the Japanese and Italian empires -- with the British and French following soon after.
The Soviet Empire collapsed in 1989. Afghanistan delivered the coup de grace.
Is it now the turn of the Americans? Persuaded by his generals -- Mattis at Defense, McMasters on the National Security Council,
Kelly as chief of staff -- President Trump is sending some 4,000 more U.S. troops to Afghanistan
to augment the 8,500 already there. Like Presidents Obama and Bush, he does not intend to preside over a U.S. defeat in its
longest war. Nor do his generals. Yet how can we defeat the Taliban with 13,000 troops when we
failed to do so with the 100,000 Obama sent? The new troops are to train the Afghan army to take over the war, to continue eradicating
the terrorist elements like ISIS, and to prevent Kabul and other cities from falling to a
Taliban now dominant in 40 percent of the country.
Yet what did the great general, whom Trump so admires, Douglas MacArthur, say of such a
strategy? "War's very object is victory, not prolonged indecision." Is not "prolonged indecision" what the Trump strategy promises? Is not "prolonged
indecision" what the war policies of Obama and Bush produced in the last 17 years? Understandably, Americans feel they cannot walk away from this war. For there is the
certainty as to what will follow when we leave.
When the British left Delhi in 1947, millions of former subjects died during the partition
of the territory into Pakistan and India and the mutual slaughter of Muslims and Hindus. When the French departed Algeria in 1962, the "Harkis" they left behind paid the price of
being loyal to the Mother Country. When we abandoned our allies in South Vietnam, the result was mass murder in the streets,
concentration camps and hundreds of thousands of boat people in the South China Sea, a final
resting place for many. In Cambodia, it was a holocaust.
Trump, however, was elected to end America's involvement in Middle East wars. And if he has
been persuaded that he simply cannot liquidate these wars -- Libya, Syria, Iraq, Yemen,
Afghanistan -- he will likely end up sacrificing his presidency, trying to rescue the failures
of those who worked hardest to keep him out of the White House.
Consider the wars, active and potential, Trump faces.
Writes Bob Merry in the fall issue of The National interest: "War between Russia and the
West seems nearly inevitable. No self-respecting nation facing inexorable encirclement by an
alliance of hostile neighbors can allow such pressures and forces to continue indefinitely.
Eventually (Russia) must protect its interests through military action."
If Pyongyang tests another atom bomb or ICBM, some national security aides to Trump are not
ruling out preventive war.
Trump himself seems hell-bent on tearing up the nuclear deal with Iran. This would lead
inexorably to a U.S. ultimatum, where Iran would be expected to back down or face a war that
would set the Persian Gulf ablaze.
Yet the country did not vote for confrontation or war.
America voted for Trump's promise to improve ties with Russia, to make Europe shoulder
more of the cost of its defense, to annihilate ISIS and extricate us from Mideast wars, to stay
out of future wars.
America voted for economic nationalism and an end to the mammoth trade deficits with the
NAFTA nations, EU, Japan and China. America voted to halt the invasion across our Southern border and to reduce legal
Trump's populist-nationalist and America First agenda,
This agenda did exist and Trump used it to get elected. Once he pulled off that trick he
tried to get together again (unsuccessfully) with his New York Plutocrat friends. It's that New York social background. It's always been difficult to see Trump fit together
economically or socially with the America that elected him, and after he got elected he
quickly weakened his ties with Middle America. So why should he complain about Fake News since he got elected on a Fake Agenda?
Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. This quote is so
well-known that almost everyone knows it, except perhaps the politicians and the generals.
Afghanistan has been called the deathbed of empires. The two recent empires to go down are
the British and the Soviet. For almost 200 years the British tried to tame the Afghan tribes
but couldn't. The devastation they caused did not deter the natives. It is all there in the
history books for everyone to read. The Soviet empire didn't even last ten years. It cut its
losses and ran.
The lack of teaching of history and geography in American schools is quite evident when
one looks at the performance of American forces in Afghanistan after 17 years. Add the
arrogance of the Presidents and the generals to this lack of knowledge and one can understand
the disasterous results of the Afghan war. One other subject that is missing from the modern
presidency is diplomacy. War over diplomacy seems to be the order of the day.
Trump, however, was elected to end America's involvement in Middle East wars. And if he
has been persuaded that he simply cannot liquidate these wars -- Libya, Syria, Iraq, Yemen,
Afghanistan -- he will likely end up sacrificing his presidency, trying to rescue the
failures of those who worked hardest to keep him out of the White House.
Trump does not even remember what he was elected to do. A man who was determined to drain
the swamp is deep, up to his neck, in that swamp. The neocons and the never-Trumpers are the
main decision makers in the Trump administration. All the loyal supporters have been chased
out of the Trump's inner circle. A man who built his empire with his brain and shrewdness
can't seem to handle the Presidency. He is trying to appease the very same people who opposed
him in the election.
Trump himself seems hell-bent on tearing up the nuclear deal with Iran. This would lead
inexorably to a U.S. ultimatum, where Iran would be expected to back down or face a war
that would set the Persian Gulf ablaze.
It is never going to happen. Not only the Middle East would be set ablaze, but America
will lose its European allies as well. The relations with Russia are already confrontational
and heading fast towards an ultimate war. European allies are also confused about the US
foreign policy or lack thereof. Trade war is brewing with China. The only country which is
happy with this chaos is Israel.
For a smart businessman, Donald Trump can't seem to make any friends. There is a very
simple solution to these wars of choice. Mr. Trump swallow your pride and bring the boys
home. You will save American lives and will also earn the gratitude of the families of these
soldiers. You may even bring peace to many countries around the world and people who have
been displaced by these wars can return home. You may even solve the refugee problem in the
process. You might even save your presidency. Give peace a chance.
No one has ever been able to conquer Afghanistan why would America think it can? Likely
just throwing a bone to the neocons. As for Iran, Trump has been beating his chest all over
the World and doing nothing, again with the Neocon feeding, I don't think he has any intention
of getting into anything larger than a skirmish with anyone, he's a lot smarter than he looks
Well while Mr. Buchanan is not an expert in Balkans history, or politics, as I've argued
here, he is excellent in American history and politics. An article somewhat short, because he
is not connecting his sharp analysis to ongoing First Amendment disaster. It comes along,
obviously, but still an excellent piece.
To be copied and saved in my personal archives, anyway. I do not believe that even this site
will last long.
Greetings from Serbia, suicidal country controlled from that feudal fortress (US Embassy)
where our Scott-Pasha resides.
It was the eclipse that swept across America to change it forever.
We now know we are on our own, there is no political solution for this war.
The eclipse marks the end of a war, our war, we lost.
Trump extends Afghan swamp war on the very day.
Eclipse was conjunct Trumps Mars, he was castrated.
Doesn't mean we won't win, but it won't be via the rigged ballot box and the DC swamp.
I think The Donald offered the lame excuse that things looks much different when you're in
the oval office vs. the campaign trail. That won't be any consolation to people who voted for
him in the hopes that their family members in the military would be coming home soon. And it
won't be any consolation to some members of his base.
Now that the generals have gone wild under Trump we may as well admit that we're ruled by
a military junta. We'll let them make all the decisions since they're so brilliant while
Trump tweets and holds stupid rallies trying to convince people that he hasn't reneged on any
But if it prevents tens of thousands of knuckle dragging Afghans steeped in a culture of
violence, pedophilia and pederasty from entering America as refugees then I guess there's a
think The Donald offered the lame excuse that things looks much different when you're in the
oval office vs. the campaign trail. That won't be any consolation to people who voted for him
in the hopes that their family members in the military would be coming home soon. And it
won't be any consolation to some members of his base.
Now that the generals have gone wild under Trump we may as well admit that we're ruled by
a military junta. We'll let them make all the decisions since they're so brilliant while
Trump tweets and holds stupid rallies trying to convince people that he hasn't reneged on any
"... Exclusive: A cyber-warfare expert sees no technical evidence linking Russia to the Democratic email releases, but The New York Times presses ahead with a new hope that Ukraine can fill the void, reports Robert Parry. ..."
"... "There is not now and never has been a single piece of technical evidence produced that connects the malware used in the DNC attack to the GRU, FSB or any agency of the Russian government," Carr said. ..."
"... Yet, the reliance on Ukraine to provide evidence against Russia defies any objective investigative standards. The Ukrainian government is fiercely anti-Russian and views itself as engaged in an "information war" with Putin and his government. ..."
"... Meanwhile, the Times offered its readers almost no cautionary advice that – in the case of Russia-gate – Ukraine would have every motive to send U.S. investigators in directions harmful to Russia, much as happened with the MH-17 investigation. ..."
"... America's Stolen Narrative, ..."
"... At this point, Carr is right: There is NO publicly available, non-circumstantial, non-spoofable evidence that a DNC hack even occurred, let alone that any hack that might have been done was done by Russians at all, let alone the Russian government. And all of the alleged US intelligence "assessments" have provided NO additional evidence. ..."
Exclusive: A cyber-warfare expert sees no technical evidence linking Russia to the
Democratic email releases, but The New York Times presses ahead with a new hope that Ukraine
can fill the void, reports Robert Parry.
The New York Times' unrelenting anti-Russia bias would be almost comical if the possible
outcome were not a nuclear conflagration and maybe the end of life on planet
A classic example of the Times' one-sided coverage was a front-page
article on Thursday expressing the wistful hope that a Ukrainian hacker whose malware was
linked to the release of Democratic National Committee (DNC) emails in 2016 could somehow "blow
the whistle on Russian hacking."
Though full of airy suspicions and often reading like a conspiracy theory, the article by
Andrew E. Kramer and Andrew Higgins contained one important admission (buried deep inside the
"jump" on page A8 in my print edition), a startling revelation especially for those Americans
who have accepted the Russia-did-it groupthink as an established fact.
The article quoted Jeffrey Carr, the author of a book on cyber-warfare, referring to a
different reality: that the Russia-gate "certainties" blaming the DNC "hack" on Russia's GRU
military intelligence service or Russia's FSB security agency lack a solid evidentiary
"There is not now and never has been a single piece of technical evidence produced that
connects the malware used in the DNC attack to the GRU, FSB or any agency of the Russian
government," Carr said.
Yet, before that remarkable admission had a chance to sink into the brains of Times' readers
whose thinking has been fattened up on a steady diet of treating the "Russian hack" as flat
fact, Times' editors quickly added that "United States intelligence agencies, however, have
been unequivocal in pointing a finger at Russia."
The Times' rebuke toward any doubts about Russia-gate was inserted after Carr's remark
although the Times had already declared several times on page 1 that there was really no doubt
about Russia's guilt.
"American intelligence agencies have determined Russian hackers were behind the electronic
break-in of the Democratic national Committee," the Times reported, followed by the assertion
that the hacker's "malware apparently did" get used by Moscow and then another reminder that
"Washington is convinced [that the hacking operation] was orchestrated by Moscow."
By repeating the same point on the inside page, the Times editors seemed to be saying that
any deviant views on this subject must be slapped down promptly and decisively.
A Flimsy Assessment
But that gets us back to the problem with the Jan. 6
"Intelligence Community Assessment," which -- contrary to repeated Times' claims
-- was not
the "consensus" view of all 17 U.S. intelligence agencies, but rather the work of a small group
of "hand-picked" analysts from three agencies: the Central Intelligence Agency, Federal Bureau
of Investigation and National Security Agency. And, they operated under the watchful eye of
President Obama's political appointees, CIA Director John Brennan and Director of National
Intelligence James Clapper, who was the one who called them
Those analysts presented no real evidence to support their assessment, which they
acknowledged was not a determination of fact, but rather what amounted to their best guess
based on what they perceived to be Russian motives and capabilities.
The Jan. 6 assessment admitted as much, saying its "judgments are not intended to imply that
we have proof that shows something to be a fact. Assessments are based on collected
information, which is often incomplete or fragmentary, as well as logic, argumentation, and
Much of the unclassified version of the report lambasted Russia's international TV network
RT for such offenses as hosting a 2012 presidential debate for third-party candidates excluded
from the Republican-Democratic debate, covering the Occupy Wall Street protests, and reporting
on dangers from "fracking." The assessment described those editorial decisions as assaults on
But rather than acknowledge the thinness of the Jan. 6 report, the Times – like other
mainstream news outlets – treated it as gospel and pretended that it represented a
"consensus" of all 17 intelligence agencies even though it clearly never did. (Belatedly, the
Times slipped in a
correction to that falsehood in one article although continuing to use similar
language in subsequent stories so an unsuspecting Times reader would not be aware of how
shaky the Russia-gate foundation is.)
Russian President Vladimir Putin and WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange have denied repeatedly
that the Russian government was the source of the two batches of Democratic emails released via
WikiLeaks in 2016, a point that the Times also frequently fails to acknowledge. (This is not to
say that Putin and Assange are telling the truth, but it is a journalistic principle to include
relevant denials from parties facing accusations.)
The rest of Thursday's Times article veered from the incomprehensible to the bizarre, as the
Times reported that the hacker, known only as "Profexer," is cooperating with F.B.I. agents
inside Ukraine.President Barack Obama and President Petro Poroshenko of Ukraine talk after statements to
the press following their bilateral meeting at the Warsaw Marriott Hotel in Warsaw, Poland,
June 4, 2014. (Official White House Photo by Pete Souza)
Yet, the reliance on Ukraine to provide evidence against Russia defies any objective
investigative standards. The Ukrainian government is fiercely anti-Russian and views itself as
engaged in an "information war" with Putin and his government.
Ukraine's SBU security service also has been implicated
in possible torture , according to United Nations investigators who were denied access to
Ukrainian government detention facilities housing ethnic Russian Ukrainians who resisted the
violent coup in February 2014, which was spearheaded by neo-Nazis and other extreme
nationalists and overthrew elected President Viktor Yanukovych.
The SBU also has been the driving force behind the supposedly "Dutch-led" investigation into
the July 17, 2014 shooting down of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17. That inquiry has ignored
evidence that a rogue Ukrainian force may have been responsible – not even
addressing a Dutch/NATO intelligence report stating that all anti-aircraft missile
batteries in eastern Ukraine on that day were under the control of the Ukrainian military
– and instead tried to
pin the atrocity on Russia , albeit with no suspects yet charged.
In Thursday's article, the Times unintentionally reveals how fuzzy the case against "Fancy
Bear" and "Cozy Bear" – the two alleged Russian government hacking operations –
The Times reports: "Rather than training, arming and deploying hackers to carry out a
specific mission like just another military unit, Fancy Bear and its twin Cozy Bear have
operated more as centers for organization and financing; much of the hard work like coding is
outsourced to private and often crime-tainted vendors."
Further, under the dramatic subhead – "A Bear's Lair" – the Times reported that
no such lair may exist: "Tracking the bear to its lair has so far proved impossible, not least
because many experts believe that no such single place exists."
The Times' article also noted the "absence of reliable witnesses" to resolve the mystery
– so to the rescue came the "reliable" regime in Kiev, or as the Times wrote: "emerging
from Ukraine is a sharper picture of what the United States believes is a Russian government
The Times then cited various cases of exposed Ukrainian government emails, again blaming the
Russians albeit without any real evidence.
The Times suggested some connection between the alleged Russian hackers and a mistaken
report on Russia's Channel 1 about a Ukrainian election, which the Times claimed "inadvertently
implicated the government authorities in Moscow."
The Times' "proof" in this case was that some hacker dummied a phony Internet page to look
like an official Ukrainian election graphic showing a victory by ultra-right candidate, Dmytro
Yarosh, when in fact Yarosh polled less than 1 percent. The hacker supposedly sent this "spoof"
graphic to Channel 1, which used it.
But such an embarrassing error, which would have no effect on the actual election results,
suggests an effort to discredit Channel 1 rather than evidence of a cooperative relationship
between the mysterious hacker and the Russian station. The Times, however, made this example a
cornerstone in its case against the Russians.
Meanwhile, the Times offered its readers almost no cautionary advice that – in the
case of Russia-gate – Ukraine would have every motive to send U.S. investigators in
directions harmful to Russia, much as happened with the MH-17 investigation.
So, we can expect that whatever "evidence" Ukraine "uncovers" will be accepted as gospel
truth by the Times and much of the U.S. government – and anyone who dares ask
inconvenient questions about its reliability will be deemed a "Kremlin stooge" spreading
Investigative reporter Robert Parry broke many of the Iran-Contra stories for The Associated
Press and Newsweek in the 1980s. You can buy his latest book, America's Stolen
Narrative, either in print here or
as an e-book (from
Litchfield , August 18, 2017 at 3:39 pm
Can the United States, its mainstream media, and its intelligence services sink any deeper
into the status of laughable but also malicious clowns?
Yes. They reach new lows with practically every edition of the NYT --
The only group maintaining any respectability within these entities is the VIPS group.
Pathetic. Laughingstock of the world. But don't kick sand in these bullies' faces. They may
nuke you --
You don't understand. The Times Co. Chairman Arthur O. Sulzberger Jr., the publisher of
the newspaper, wants the Golan Heights for his pet project by any means and he is beyond
himself that the bad, bad Russians stopped the slaughter of civilians in Syria and thus
stopped the dissolution of Syria.
The Chairman Arthur O. Sulzberger Jr. hates, hates the idea
of sovereign Syria. He wants Syria to become another Libya. Period.
And he wants to see Iran
obliterated (some old grievances against the noble ancient civilization that used to provide
the best living place for Jews). And then, the Chairman Arthur O. Sulzberger Jr. wants to see
profits, even if his profitable fake-news business could lead to a nuclear conflict with Russain Federation. Like other super-wealthy imbeciles, the Chairman Arthur O. Sulzberger Jr.
is accustomed to a very special order when other people are always ready to clean his mess.
He is not aware that the Mess, which he is so eagerly inviting, could end up his comfortable
life and make his relatives into shades on a hard surface. Would not this planet be better
without the Chairman Arthur O. Sulzberger Jr. and likes?
JWalters , August 18, 2017 at 7:02 pm
Well put. These people are like the "nobles" of medieval times. They care not a whit about
the "peasants" they trample. They are wealth bigots, compounded by some ethnic bigotry or
other, in this case Jewish supremacism. America has an oligarchy problem. At the center of
that oligarchy is a Jewish mafia controlling the banks, and thereby the big corporations, and
thereby the media and the government. This oligarchy sees America as a big, dumb military
machine that it can manipulate to generate war profits.
Mr. Parry may prefer independence, and we all know the NYT ownership makes it unlikely, and
the NYT may try to ignore it, it is instructive to them that intelligent readers know better
journalism when they see it. A petition demonstrates the concerns of a far larger number of
potential or lost subscribers.
j. D. D. , August 19, 2017 at 3:07 pm
The "Russiagate" hoax is in big trouble. thanks in large part to the V.I.P.S. memo to
President Trump, first published on this site on July 24. No surprise then that the Times has
rushed to stem the bleeding, much the way the Post did in its threatening message to The
Nation editor Van den Heuvel to retract its coverage of that explosive report. So what now?
Shift the tactic to playing the race card, in an effort to oust this President, the methods,
and in fact many of the same names employed in the staged event in Charlottesville, being all
too familiar to those who followed the coup which overthrew the elected government of
Randal Marlin , August 18, 2017 at 3:48 pm
I think your statement "Yet, the reliance on Ukraine to provide evidence against Russia
defies any objective investigative standards" gets to the crux of the matter.
Note how the evidentiary question is not significantly altered when, say, expert Dutch
investigators confirm a Russian-blaming narrative regarding MH-17 when, and to the extent
that, the Dutch experts form their opinion based on evidence selected by (anti-Russian)
I've used the example before of salted gold-ore samples being given to experts for analysis.
Those who fell for the Bre-X scam some 20 years ago apparently failed to appreciate the
disclaimer by SNC-Lavalin, who reported a rich find, that they had not done an independent
collection of the ore samples. There was a high reported price tag for the analysis and
people may have just assumed such an independent collection had taken place.
Sam F , August 18, 2017 at 6:03 pm
It is absurd that an admitted hacker in Ukraine, and its militantly anti-Russian
government, are considered reliable sources in the smoke-and-mirrors game of tracing
international hacking. Their only "evidence" appears to be standard hacking scams of
simulating sources to throw off investigators. It is amazing that they can't even find a
hacker somewhere else to make absurd claims in a plea bargain. Obviously NYT does not believe
this ridiculous story themselves. It is the greatest fool who believes all others to be
The Israelis appear afraid Trump will suddenly turn on them, just as he suddenly and
totally disavowed all forms of racism, white supremacism, KKK, alt-right, etc. (And Bannon
did, too.) He had needed that support to wrest the GOP nomination away from the Wall Street
gang (who merely winked and nodded at the racists, a large and crucial part of their voting
base.) Perhaps the glaring, blaring racist crimes and atrocities of Israel will be called out
next? "Netanyahu is silent for 3 days over neo-Nazi violence, while his son says Black Lives
Matter and Antifa are the real threat" http://mondoweiss.net/2017/08/netanyahu-violence-antifa/ "Charlottesville is moment of truth for empowered U.S. Zionists (who name their children
after Israeli generals)" http://mondoweiss.net/2017/08/charlottesville-empowered-children/
Sam F , August 19, 2017 at 5:00 pm
Interesting that you say that this is an Israeli operation. I once traced malware on my PC to three sources, one with an address in Tel Aviv Israel,
and two front companies in NYC run by people with Jewish names. Complete coincidence of
I also traced a complex web of internet copyright piracy, which included front companies,
servers, and offices in Panama, Cayman Islands, Barbados, Montreal, UK, and various piracy
and tax evasion venues. One company "TzarMedia" (in English) claimed to have its servers in
Moscow, but it turned out that this was just one more false-flag: it was in Texas, and its
servers could be anywhere. So anti-Russia false-flags are standard practice.
Because some Ukrainian oligarchs are apparently Jewish with Israeli nationality and bitter
anti-Russia views on both fronts, it seems likely that they would be hiring Ukrainian hackers
by the dozen to create false-flag hacks blamed on Russia. That must be a real growth industry
in Ukraine and Israel by now, not to mention Washington.
Peter Dyer , August 18, 2017 at 3:58 pm
This is sadly reminiscent of another instance of the willingness of the New York Times to
publish "evidence" of malfeasance on the part of the enemy du jour: the series of stories in
2001-02 by Judith Miller based on Ahmad Chalabi's "evidence" of Iraq's weapons of mass
Roy G Biv , August 18, 2017 at 9:57 pm
At least it ended her career with the NYT. Judith Miller was being fed stories from the
office of VP Cheney, who would later cite the NYT as evidence of his accusations of WMD,
completing the circle. Similarly, Kwiatkowski went public with how DIA staff were pressured
by Sec of Defense and Cheney to stovepipe cherry picked intel to support WMD. The malfeasance
germinated in the mechanical heart of one Richard Cheney and the NYT and DIA were used and
abused. Not faultless, but the bulk of the derision belongs with that administration.
Bill , August 18, 2017 at 4:12 pm
There's a bigger story behind all of this. John Brennan was abusing his position as CIA
Director to wage a war against Trump. Comey and Clapper are also "in" on it. A conspiracy?
Yes. Who told them to do it? By golly, it was President Obama.
Litchfield , August 18, 2017 at 6:07 pm
Yes, but don't dream of tarnishing the halo St. Barry with perfectly reasonable
suppositions as to who put this mess in motion and, I reckon, continues to ride herd on it.
He is "above the fray" (my a–). He is at the center of the fray. After Hillary's
ignoble loss to Obama in 2008, she ate crow and went to work for him. They must have made
some kind of deal, reached some kind of accommodation.
Richard Tarnoff , August 18, 2017 at 4:19 pm
It is depressing, but not surprising given their corporate ownership, that the entire MSM
is unwilling to ask the same hard questions as does Consortium News. It is also depressing
that the Democratic Party is happy to jump on this risky band wagon in their desperate desire
to bring down Trump.
Drogon , August 18, 2017 at 4:25 pm
I find it bizarre and frustrating that the anti-Trump forces insist on focusing on the
flimsy Russia-gate distraction when there are so many objectively awful reasons to criticize
the Trump administration.
*Resurgence of Civil-Asset Forfeiture? Check.
*Supporting the private prison industry? Check.
*Empowering federal prosecutors? Check.
*Working to sabotage the Iran nuclear deal? Check.
*Dismissing anthropogenic climate change? Check.
*Going out of his way to equate Nazis with anti-Nazi protestors? Check.
*Undermining net neutrality? Check.
*Subverting scientific independence at the EPA? Check.
*Sticking up for Wall Street and bad-mouthing Consumer Financial Protection Bureau?
BobS , August 18, 2017 at 5:38 pm
Trump's being criticized for all-of-the-above by virtually all of the leftist media and
NGO's (Counterpunch, DemocracyNow, FAIR, RealNewsNetwork, Free Press, Public Citizen, etc)
that criticized Obama, Bush, Clinton, et al for their many shortcomings and fuck-ups.
You need to get out more.
Litchfield , August 18, 2017 at 6:09 pm
But it seems like the MSM is standing in for "leftish" (sic) forces, as they combine with
neocons to bring Trump down.
Drogon , August 18, 2017 at 7:43 pm
Just because the MSM doesn't like Trump doesn't mean he's a good person.
Yes, but the DNC has put all their ammo into the straw man argument of Russia-gate. I
believe this is what Drogon was saying, and I also believe it's a valid point.
BobS , August 18, 2017 at 7:52 pm
I'll agree that it's the focus of the DNC.
But he wrote "anti-Trump forces", which encompasses much more than the DNC.
Joe Tedesky , August 18, 2017 at 11:49 pm
Way to go BobS, you have an excuse for every stupid remark you make. Since Drogon said
some pretty factual things that made sense, you had to go find something to make a negative
comment as a reply, and in doing so you made yourself look awfully foolish I'll bet your
working hard to sound smart and clever all the time, guess what you make yourself look
If you are a contributor to this site, then I want my money back. You certainly don't
bring any class, or anything worthwhile to this site, with your crudeness. Although, you
probably laugh at your own jokes, and think your funny. I've tried for the last couple of
days to somehow deal with you with the hopes that you and I could have a civil conversation,
but as I can see I shouldn't take it personally, since you seem to offend everyone no matter
what what is wrong with you man.
Leslie F , August 18, 2017 at 7:07 pm
All of this is worthy of criticism, but not likely to lead to his ouster. The fools think
Russia-gate will, but it is obviously that the Repubs. in Congress are not buying it anymore
than most of the population who just declines to become hysterical over Russia when they have
much more immediate problems. There is that matter of Trumps financial malfeasance which is
real AND impeachable, but the Dem establishment isn't interested because it won't deflect
attention from their internal problems and many among their number are guilty of similaar
crimes, if not to the same extent as Trump. And the deep state doesn't care because it
doesn't advance their neocon agenda like Russia-gate. I think, however, that it could help
mobilize popular outrage which will be necessary if he is ever going to be impeached.
turk151 , August 18, 2017 at 7:50 pm
That is because those are all ideas that the MSM's benefactors actually support.
Roy G Biv , August 18, 2017 at 4:30 pm
Yet another strained effort to distract from the actual reality of Trump's Russian
connection. Here is Bill Moyers' timeline of factual events. Tells the story better for
anyone with an open mind.
Does Trump have "Russian connections?" Of course he does. He's a billionaire oligarch and,
as such, he almost certainly has corrupt connections with billionaire oligarchs from pretty
much any country you can name. If the anti-Trump brigade was less hysterical, these
connections could most likely be used to remove him from office. That said, is there
currently any evidence that he collaborated with the Russian government to throw the
Zachary Smith , August 18, 2017 at 4:55 pm
Thank you for the link. Because of my "closed mind" I've concluded that Bill Moyers has
I made a couple of searches of my own and found this from Moyers:
"Raked over the coals by Republican inquisitors in Congress who could never make a case
that she had acted wrongly in Libya "
Gist of the story, poor Hillary isn't a male and everybody has been after the innocent
woman on that account. Obviously nobody would have commented if it had been a MAN with the
same amount of blood on his hands. In another story he dismissed Hillary's email
The man is an old Hillary-Bot and I've no use at all for that sort.
BobS , August 18, 2017 at 6:04 pm
Actually, if you'd watched her testimony, they couldn't make that case, the reason being
they focused on BENGHAZEEEE -- -- -- -- as opposed to the attack on Libya itself (which all or most
of the Republicans in Congress agreed with).
Also, it's disingenuous to pretend that Clinton (and female politicians, in general) aren't
held to somewhat different standards than men.
Roy G Biv , August 18, 2017 at 6:26 pm
Agree with you Bob. But CN is infected with Russian bots. Used to be main go to site for
me, now it's just the place for Trump and Putin apologists.
Anon , August 18, 2017 at 7:32 pm
"Roy G Biv" is today's name for one of the discredited trolls here lately, probably BobS
himself, who pretends to be a former supporter. Thanks for letting us know that rightwingers
BobS , August 18, 2017 at 7:41 pm
""Roy G Biv" is today's name for one of the discredited trolls here lately, probably BobS
himself, who pretends to be a former supporter. Thanks for letting us know that rightwingers
Thanks for letting me know it's so easy to fuck with your somewhat empty head.
Joe Tedesky , August 18, 2017 at 11:30 pm
Yeah BobS your the only smart one here. BTW You couldn't put a patch on Anon's ass even if
D5-5 , August 19, 2017 at 10:53 am
"CN infected with Russian bots and Putin apologists." Here's your guilt by association
tool again. Anyone critical of the Official Narrative = automatically name-called to Russian
bots etc etc the "commie sympathizer" BS of years ago. This kind of comment from you
automatically disqualifies you as having anything worthwhile to say here.
Anon , August 18, 2017 at 7:30 pm
He just finished saying that they are being held to different standards.
BobS , August 18, 2017 at 7:39 pm
His implication was that they get a pass, when in fact just the opposite is true.
Roy G Biv , August 18, 2017 at 9:08 pm
I was never once discredited. Just censored and shouted down. Now you plant a flag and
claim to have refuted. That's not winning an argument, it's just being loud and
LongGoneJohn , August 19, 2017 at 4:11 am
So because of the comments, you don't frequent CN anymore? I call BS, mr perpetual war
Roy G Biv , August 18, 2017 at 6:24 pm
Actually the timeline stands on its own, and is factual. Try reading it and follow the
chain of events. Very illustrative. Doesn't really matter your personal animus against Moyers
D5-5 , August 18, 2017 at 5:04 pm
The specific charge, emanating from the Clinton people, and used as diversion from DNC
corruption and Clinton Foundation corruption, is that Russia interfered with the 2016
election. This is a separate matter from Trump has had dealings with and association with
Russia since decades back. Conflating these two matters is the easy demonizing brush which
you're pushing here. There is no evidence on the specific accusation that Trump worked with
Putin to fix the election. If you think there is evidence, versus guilt-by-association, give
us a heads-up on where and what it is.
BobS , August 18, 2017 at 5:42 pm
WhoWhatWhy & David Cay Johnston are doing and have done a much better job than
consortiumnews in covering Trump's likely connections to Russian (and Italian) organized
Litchfield , August 18, 2017 at 6:11 pm
That begs (that is, avoids) the question.
I suspect all of our presidents have had connections with organized crime.
Trump is being charged with, basically, treason for colluding with the Russians to
influence the election. Two different animals.
BobS , August 18, 2017 at 6:17 pm
"That begs (that is, avoids) the question."
Kennedy, at least, at the wrong end of a gun.
Roy G Biv , August 18, 2017 at 6:29 pm
Malcolm Nance has also chronicled the rise of Vlad and his seizure of the Russian economy
from foreign vulture capitalists, only to claim all the spoils for himself and his cronies,
as well as how Trump relied on Russian funding to bail out his bankrupcies. It's shockingly
Malcolm Nance's book is a "best seller" because he allowed himself to become a shill for
the corporate intelligence network not unlike Ann Coulter who became a "best seller" with
right wing sponsorship. Such books are printed in mass by the propagandist and often
advertised as best sellers before a copy is sold. Unlike, Coulter, Nance is articulate but he
starts out by "poisoning the well" with the premise that Putin's Russia is evil. He never
really questions the hack theory. His book THE PLOT TO HACK AMERICA is all the rage among
Demo "true believers". It was given to me by a friend, no doubt to open my eyes to the evil
Putin's maneuvers but apart from the probability that he believed it himself his conclusion
was based on a number of distorted facts(yes, I actually read it).
Dave P. , August 18, 2017 at 9:25 pm
BobS: The organized Russian Crime mafia you are referring to had branches in Tel Aviv, New
York, and London too. They were lot of people who were part of it, and must be close too
Clintons too in their corrupt World in New York and elsewhere in the West. That is how our
British Friends keep their economy running. The real Russians, the peasants according to the
West they are, never really learnt the art you are describing.
May be, Trump had his hand in there in that pot somewhere too, when they were looting
Russia in a big way. But they have not dug it out yet. I fail to understand with all these
intelligence agencies, they have not shown it to the public as yet.
mike k , August 18, 2017 at 5:30 pm
If your mind is open like a sieve.
Roy G Biv , August 18, 2017 at 6:33 pm
The sieve serves to filter isolate particles of significance from the soup of information.
A dam on the other hand prevents the flow. Most here have built dams against anything
implicating Trump and Putin, and there is extensive evidence of it, from many sources.
BobS , August 18, 2017 at 6:56 pm
There's enough criticism of Trump here (although he does have his share of apologists,
especially with respect to Charlottesville e.g.'whatabout BLM?'), but Putin, not so much. I'm
guessing he gets a pass from many of the readers due to him being somewhat alone in standing
up to the US (in Georgia, Ukraine, etc) as well as consortiumnews being relatively unique in
disputing the 'official' narrative with respect to the Ukrainian coup, MH17, & Crimea (as
well as Syria). While Putin has served as a valuable counterweight to the American empire, it
doesn't make him beyond reproach, and he may possibly have helped to put a white-nationalist
authoritarian into the presidency.
Joe Tedesky , August 18, 2017 at 7:41 pm
Hillary put Trump in the Oval Office. Bernie would have won, but your darling Hillary made
sure that he didn't stand a chance to win the Democratic primary, because her being a Clinton
means she cheats.
Why don't you and Roy go peddle your insulting selfs to people who might buy what your
selling. She loss, because she wasn't a good candidate. In fact Hillary would have loss to
almost any of the insane Republicans who ran. You BobS are one dull gem of a person .now go
mimic me you clown.
BobS , August 18, 2017 at 7:48 pm
"Hillary put Trump in the Oval Office."
"Bernie would have won"
"She loss, because she wasn't a good candidate. In fact Hillary would have loss to
You should get your money back for the ESL course.
Joe Tedesky , August 18, 2017 at 8:02 pm
BobS why can't you just talk sensibility with me?
Roy G Biv , August 18, 2017 at 9:18 pm
Vlad does get some credit for straight-arming the West vulture capitalists from feeding on
the carcass of the USSR and the state owned infrastructure, BUT he supplanted those efforts
with his own. He's become one of the richest men in the world by the most unrestrained crony
capitalism and is a skilled authoritarian ruler. Why he is so defended around here makes me
wonder who these people are who feel so butt hurt when he is criticized.
Anon , August 19, 2017 at 5:53 am
What garbage: find the evidence and your intellectual superiors will gladly review it.
Anon , August 18, 2017 at 7:40 pm
Roy G Biv = BobS: you know as well as we that the utterly discredited Russiagate
propaganda is intended solely to distract from the DNC corruption and Repub corruption. So
you pretend that discrediting it is a distraction. The crook is always full of accusations of
the same crookedness, like our Ukrainian hacker.
Roy G Biv , August 18, 2017 at 9:23 pm
Hate to disappoint you Anon, but we are not the same person and I have no idea who BobS
is. I guess you find it easier to ignore dissenting opinion by lumping it into one persona.
And your dismissal of Malcolm Nance is pretty thin IMO. The Russian hacking of our election
and the financial connections to DJT are well established and creating slogans and memes like
"Russiagate" is a cheap parlor trick.
Anon , August 19, 2017 at 5:56 am
BS. You haven't a single shred of evidence of any election hacking, let alone Russian, and
apparently you know it. I demand your evidence, not propaganda.
DocHollywood , August 20, 2017 at 12:51 am
"The Russian hacking of our election and the financial connections to DJT are well
All that's missing is evidence.
Peter Duveen , August 18, 2017 at 5:01 pm
I only pick up the New York Times once or twice a year as a novelty. It has priced itself
out of the market, as have many other newspapers, which used to be affordable by those eking
out even the meanest of livings.
It would appear that the Russian hysteria is somehow connected with the anti-Trump
hysteria in general, to which has been added the charge of his being a white nationalist
Nazi, merely because he acknowledged two factions willing to exercise violence in conjunction
with a politically charged demonstration. Yet, the latter charges would seem to divide
so-called progressives while casting intellectually honest analyses like Parry's as
sympathetic to white supremacists by association. This may seem to be quite a challenging
environment for journalists to operate in, as the actual situation is so at odds with the
conventional wisdom being touted from the same regions of the universe. I do hope the very
fabric of truth-telling is not ripped to shreds by these counter-currents.
mike k , August 18, 2017 at 5:34 pm
So Trump is not a Nazi sympathizer? They sure think so. Ask David Duke. He tweeted thanks
to Trump for defending them.
Litchfield , August 18, 2017 at 6:17 pm
This is faulty logic.
I have said it before and I will say it again:
In our two-party system, millions of voters don't actually have any party that represents
their views. This includes what would be called in the USA "extremists" on both the left and
Unlike what would be the case in a parliamentary system, where if a party gets over the 5%
threshold they are represented in the legislature and may even participate in forming a
government, in the USA such groups have to decide which of the two parties is closer to their
own platform. IF David Duke decides that the Repugs are closer to what he wants, that doesn't
mean that Trump is therefore a Nazi or white supremacist.
It means that Duke is some kind of Republican.
BobS , August 18, 2017 at 6:25 pm
Trump has received adulation from the white nationalist fringe unusual for a candidate
from any party.
Even more unusual, Trump has reciprocated.
Joe Tedesky , August 18, 2017 at 9:37 pm
Knowing you BobS you'll probably think that what I'm about to say, is my supporting Trump,
because you are still living the 2016 presidential election. When you bring up odd alliances,
how about when Hillary Clinton and Victoria Nuland (and John McCain) orchestrated the coup in
Ukraine that installed a full on Nazi Party, complete with swastikas?
Let's see if you can answer me in a decent tone. That doesn't mean you need to agree with
me, but it does mean you are an ignorant know it all, if you don't answer me with some common
Before you came here BobS, it was nice to have conversations with the many others who
whether they agreed with you or not, at least the use of good manners did lead to our
learning something worthwhile. You BobS, only bring out the worst in a person, with your
little boy agitation. It also over shadows the good points you make, when you use ridicule
the way you do. In other words BobS, I can tell your not stupid, but you sure come off that
way with your words and actions when you do the silly things you do with your rude
It's very rare that I burn down bridges, for you see BobS all my life I have been a bridge
builder. So, when your ready to grow up, and become mature, then who knows, maybe you and I
will become friends, if not well it's no big loss. Take care Joe
Zachary Smith , August 18, 2017 at 11:43 pm
Joe, they are both professional disruptors. The Roy G Biv character is too well informed
to be merely mistaken – he's simply not honest. I'd posit he is CIA or back-room NYT
employee. Or possibly a nutcase Zionist with a good US education posting from some stolen
land in Israel.
Speaking of the New York Times, I'm done with them. I now have zero respect for the filthy
As I was reading through Mr. Parry's piece I decided to find out for myself if they were
as bad as they seem. But how to test this? Long story short, I hit on the idea to see what
they've written about the USS Liberty on this 50th Anniversary of the attempted sinking of
the ship and attempted mass murder of all aboard.
Search terms were "USS LIberty" and "nytimes.com".
According to the Google results there were zero mentions of the USS Liberty on the NYT
site within the past 12 months. Double checking, I went to the site and entered the term into
the search there. Nothing.
They lie. They distort. They conceal. Mostly for Israel. These days Israel wants Syria to
get the Iraq/Libya treatment. Russia is an obstacle. The lying, cheating, and distortions of
the NYT and WP are focused on pressuring Russia enough to get them out of Syria. The
professional newcomers here are accusing us of being Putin-Hacks, and much more. They do
everything they can to disrupt discussion. I'd imagine it's because Mr. Parry's site is
becoming one too many people around the world come to view. The deliberate chaos created by
these guys is another small part of the attack on Russia for Israel.
By the way, have you noticed a single thing the BobS and Roy G Biv types have written
which is notable in any way whatever? I haven't. I'm going to try very hard to be done with
them as well.
Joe Tedesky , August 19, 2017 at 12:00 am
Thanks Zachary. Hearing you say that these two buttheads maybe professional disrupters is
comforting. No, I'm actually honored that BobS started with me (I think first) the other day.
Now I feel empowered to deal with the likes of these two clown asses.
You may have already seen this article over at the Saker, about the USS Liberty, but here
it is in case you haven't, or for the others who may find interest in it as well.
I agree, Zachary and Joe. They appear to be trolls, and may use varying names for a
Roy G Biv , August 18, 2017 at 6:52 pm
You just said: " .charge of his being a white nationalist Nazi, merely because he
acknowledged two factions willing to exercise violence in conjunction with a politically
charged demonstration." Your use of the word merely is very disturbing. If it was abundantly
clear from previous revelations, his performance this week should have removed all doubt
about his sentiments.
Peter Duveen , August 18, 2017 at 7:41 pm
Yes it was wrong for me to use "merely," because the characterization of Trump as a white
supremacist has nothing to do with reality, and the fact that Trump took a balanced approach
to the demonstration was another excuse for unfounded accusations. What we have is people who
want Trump out, who lost an election, who are doing everything they can to overthrow a
president. Since the Russian hacking meme has been shown to be without merit (although it is
still harped upon), the white supremacist angle is now being milked for everything it has.
It's a hoax completely in parallel with the Russian hacking narrative. Reality has nothing to
do with this attempt to overthrow Trump. And the CIA is fully behind it. So stick with it.
People may be making idiots of themselves, but for them, the ends justifies the means.
Roy G Biv , August 18, 2017 at 9:29 pm
Well, I guess we'll see. But I believe you will be the one eating crow when the facts are
laid out. It seems people have trouble holding disparate thoughts in their minds and require
mutual exclusivity, i.e. the past misdeeds of the CIA vs the idea that they might actually be
doing public service in this Putin/Trump situation. I don't have trouble with this and
embrace both. The world and people are complex, not neatly black or white.
Annie , August 18, 2017 at 5:14 pm
I remember as soon as the leak that the DNC tried to subvert the Sanders campaign came
out, Hillary's campaign manager Robby Mook stated the Russians did it, and obviously he had
no conclusive proof. At the time I thought they already had it planned that if their misdeeds
were ever revealed Russia would be blamed, and it would be a good reason to go after Trump
should he win the election. It would also allow them to continue to escalate a cold war,
already well underway under the Obama administration. It's basic science that you can't come
to a valid conclusion if you have already determined what that will be. I never believed
their lies from the get go. What is very disturbing is that the press is so complicit in
pushing this lie while the American public, and in this case the so called
liberal/progressives, are so willing to swallow it. For me, that's the scary part. Equally
scary is that the CIA, FBI and NIA are equally complicit in this deception.
mike k , August 18, 2017 at 5:37 pm
Right, they are all in on this phony Russia scare gambit. There are plenty of other causes
to impeach Trump. Our President is a crook, as well as a racist.
Annie , August 18, 2017 at 7:11 pm
I don't know if Trump's a racist, maybe he is, but did you ever hear Obama, Bush, or
Cheney called a racist, or if they were, did the American people buy into it the way they
have with Trump? However, what would you call people who destroy whole nations which are
predominantly Muslim, cross sovereign borders in Muslim countries killing thousands of
innocents with drone warfare? Is Israel in it's treatment of the Palestinians not racist? Are
we not racist as a nation as well? I ask myself if these countries were predominately
Christian would the American people be so laid back about our warring exploits in these
countries? What about those papal bulls that gave explorers of the new world the right to
conquer and exploit the indigenous people? Not to mention our sense of entitlement to
practically wipe out the American Indian population. If indeed he is a racist, he fits right
in. Take a look at our legal system where over 90 percent of people take a plea bargain and
never get a fair trial, and most of the prison population is black although they constitute a
small minority in this country.
I have a friend who berated me for not being more outraged by Trump's racist rhetoric, but
she refused to visit an elderly, and lonely aunt who lived in a black area, while I move in
and out of that area quite frequently. We're full of hypocrisy.
BobS , August 18, 2017 at 7:32 pm
"I don't know if Trump's a racist"
Trump's a racist.
"Is Israel in it's treatment of the Palestinians not racist?'
Amy Goodman had on a spokesman from the Anne Frank Center this morning forcefully (and
accurately, in my opinion) criticizing Trump, Bannon, & Gorka.
The interview took a somewhat comical turn when Goodman showed her guest a clip of white
supremacist Richard Spencer being interviewed on Israeli television saying:
"As an Israeli citizen, someone who understands your identity, who has a sense of nationhood
and peoplehood and the history and experience of the Jewish people, you should respect
someone like me, who has analogous feelings about whites. I mean, you could -- you could say
that I am a white Zionist, in the sense that I care about my people. I want us to have a
secure homeland that's for us and ourselves, just like you want a secure homeland in
The comical part was watching the histrionics of the guy from the Anne Frank Center as he
avoided addressing Spencer's point.
Roy G Biv , August 18, 2017 at 9:33 pm
"Hail Trump -- " chanted by Richard Spencer after the election. Fascists love fascists.
Annie , August 18, 2017 at 9:37 pm
I usually listen to Democracy Now, but missed this one, and it makes a good point. Easy to
point a finger at someone's perceived racism, but difficult to look at your own, which is too
often justified. My point exactly. People talk about Trumps immigration policies and
deportation of immigrants, but are mindless of the fact that Obama deported 2 million
immigrants. Many Americans don't place what is going on now within an historical framework,
not even a recent historical framework. I also believe there is an attempt to undermine the
people who voted for Trump, which would make a coup more possible. I don't like Trump, but
more then anything I don't like the idea of overturning the election of a president based on
lies and innuendo. I really don't think that's a good thing --
Dave P. , August 18, 2017 at 9:49 pm
Annie, your comments are always very sincere and objective.
You wrote above: ". . .What is very disturbing is that the press is so complicit in
pushing this lie while the American public, and in this case the so called
liberal/progressives, are so willing to swallow it. For me, that's the scary part. Equally
scary is that the CIA, FBI and NIA are equally complicit in this deception. . ."
By this time, it should be clear to any one with an open mind that there is no such thing
left in the country as free and fair Media which informs public. And all these agencies you
mentioned are nothing but a sewage pit of lies. And the liberal/ progressives are like most
of the population, completely brainwashed and believe whatever is fed to them by the likes of
Annie , August 18, 2017 at 10:35 pm
My brother listens to her everyday, and I can't listen to him. He's literally hysterical
over the Trump presidency, as is she. He can't hear anything I have to say, or any other point
of view. To me it is a total surprise since he is well educated, and will define himself as a
liberal thinker. Bah humbug --
"The Times' rebuke toward any doubts about Russia-gate was inserted after Carr's remark
although the Times had already declared several times on page 1 that there was really no
doubt about Russia's guilt."
The NYT is now terrified of the genuine research and honest conclusions made by the VIPS.
It's almost as if the NYT's suffering under some sort of OCD neurosis, the VIPS has them on
their heels, though the NYT will never admit it. Ergo, like Rainman, they resort to repeating
over and over and over to their brainwashed readers the Kremlin's guilt and the intel
agencies' assurances. They try ever so hard to pass themselves off as the only reasonable and
sane voices in the room, during these times of upheaval and uncertainty.
To use an admittedly stretched sports analogy: the VIPS have been doing, and are going to
do, to the NYT what Floyd Mayweather is about to do to McGregor in their upcoming prize
fight. A real authentic professional is about to dominate a huckster and charlatan who's out
of his element, just there to collect a fat paycheck (not unlike the careerism of the
Karl Sanchez , August 18, 2017 at 5:33 pm
Given the overall context of Russiagate and the "journalistic" history of the NY
Times , it would be fair to assess it and its loyal readership as spreading Washington
propaganda and unwitting Washington stooges, respectively. But which gets to claim the
Greatest Propaganda Rag Prize: NY Times or Washington Post ?
mike k , August 18, 2017 at 5:39 pm
Too close to call.
D5-5 , August 18, 2017 at 6:02 pm
From Parry: the "certainties" blaming the DNC "hack" on Russia's intelligence agencies
"lack a solid evidentiary foundation."
What would that evidentiary foundation be?
Would it be Donald Trump visited Russia therefore he's guilty of conspiring with Putin to
fix the election, starting with hacking the DNC.
Or Trump had real estate dealings, mafia dealings, whatever, with Russia, and leap to "I
wouldn't doubt it."
Or, I hate Trump so much I'll believe anything negative about him.
Or Russia was once the Soviet Union and a bunch of commie rat bastards so of course this
story is true.
Or, The New York Times, that esteemed bastion of truth and investigative journalism says
it's true so it must be true.
Evidence defined: what furnishes proof.
Yet, reminded by Parry once again, here is the basis for the January 6 assessments:
Quoted from the reporting agencies themselves on January 6, their judgments–
"are not intended to imply that we have proof that shows something to be a fact.
Assessments are based on collected information, which is often incomplete or fragmentary, as
well as logic, argumentation, and precedents."
Based on what evidence IS, here we have NO evidence. What we do have is speculation.
Clapper weighed in on January 6 with a "moderate" assessment. How does a moderate differ
from a high assessment–was some of the logic–since the statement indicates no
proof based on fact exists–somehow dubious or tendentious?
He was moderately convinced that it just might be so, maybe, possibly. Is that what this
Dempsey weighed in at "high" with the above statement, and perhaps somebody knows what
this "high" meant, based on what?
Comey weighed in at "high" although his agency, the FBI, did not examine the DNC
computers, and relied entirely on Crowdstrike, shown repeatedly as a biased anti-Russian
source in the employ of Hillary Clinton.
This is the authority creating the flimsy evidentiary foundation of the NY Times et al MSM
to which we citizens are now either a) skeptical or b) entirely convinced.
"Evidentiary void"–right on, Robert Parry --
D5-5 , August 19, 2017 at 12:08 pm
Sorry, meant to say Brennan, not "Dempsey" re CIA assessment.
The Saker is always interesting, and even though you find some good people over there
(Michael Hudson & Mike Whitney, among others), the race stuff at Unz always makes me feel
like I have to wash off.
John , August 18, 2017 at 6:58 pm
America is walking into a well planned nightmare. Spoon fed to you by the corporate media
soon the spark of hate will become an uncontrollable wildfire
Roy G Biv , August 18, 2017 at 7:00 pm
It did not rely entirely on Crowdstrike. They are just the ones who referred it to FBI. If
you don't think the USA has powerful IT divisions who can forensically determine source and
method, then your fear of deep state are immediately invalidated, a contradiction. If you
believe in the awesome power of the intelligence community, then you cannot use the argument
that they don't know anymore than what the got from Crowdstrike. I understand the mistrust of
the IC, but you must admit that they just might me trying to protect us in this case from
enemies foreign and domestic.
Sam F , August 18, 2017 at 7:57 pm
No, no one can "forensically determine source and method" except in lucky cases or when
tracing naive hacks. NSA got its trove of hack methods including false-flagging methods on
the black market from a Ukraine hacker. So no one will buy garbage accusations of Russia from
a Ukrainian hacker.
If the US IC has insider sources, they must be prepared to have them bail out and give
testimony, after some reasonable period, where grave accusations must be either discredited
or cause serious policy changes.
No hiding behind "trust us" after months: only fools will believe "confidence."
The same goes for MH-17, WMD, the Gulf of Tonkin Incident, and many others.
Roy G Biv , August 18, 2017 at 9:39 pm
What you are saying is true and reasonable. But consider that this is an ongoing counter
espionage investigation that has been in progress for over one year, and these take years to
conclude. You may not be able to trust them without seeing the info and intel, but you cannot
simply conclude that the evidence simply doesn't exist just because it's not visible to you.
There are reasons to hold cards close to the vest while leveraging suspects into
Sam F , August 19, 2017 at 6:38 am
Fine, let them investigate, but they must not announce extremely serious conclusions to
the public, with immediate political implications, especially conclusions that serve
immediate political ends in the US, and refuse to provide evidence to the public even after a
month or so. That is either careless methodology or fraud. The history of such "revelations"
on "high confidence" has been a history of fraud by political appointees to the intel
I do not exclude the possibility that intel technology whose nature and location are
critical secrets might be revealed with the evidence, although it appears that the secrets
could generally be kept. Such technology requires having a safe disclosure method, such as
disguising/relocating informants and devices. Most likely such technology would provide clues
to direct other safely-revealable technology. If it does not, it does not serve democracy
well, and probably is fundamentally a tool of tyranny, a product of excessive spying, and
must be discounted by the public.
Roy G Biv , August 18, 2017 at 7:06 pm
By the way, the "Evidentiary Void" might actually look pretty filled up in private eyes of
the office of special counsel. I wouldn't expect to see the all of the evidence of a case in
progress, as persons being investigated are best left unknowing and useful to flip for a
leniency deal. Again, the timeline will be very informative if you take the time to read it.
It's merely the chronological presentation of factual events.
That link is so full of invasive scripts that my script blocking software cannot be
persuaded to show it.
Zachary Smith , August 18, 2017 at 8:37 pm
I use YesScript for Firefox on a case-by-case basis. If a site has annoying animations, it
gets the treatment.
Roy G Biv , August 18, 2017 at 9:40 pm
Just goole billmoyers.com and look for timeline. It's so easy.
D5-5 , August 19, 2017 at 10:40 am
The time-line is irrelevant to the specific claim that Trump conspired with Russia to fix
the election. Point to anything in this time-line that offers evidence.
Reminder 1: evidence is what offers proof on the specific charge.
Reminder 2: the IC January 6 statement "not intended to imply that we have proof that
shows something to be a fact."
This very interesting statement suggests that a political motive was operative in these
assessments, in which "what we want to believe" becomes "what we believe," or to quote
Seymour Hersh recently, 2 + 2 = 45.
Your absence of doubt, particularly given the history of lying from our official
government reps over many years now, as well as your swerving aside to an irrelevant
"time-line," puts you in the camp of the propagandists.
I believe it is a disgusting and dangerous remark for a person in an elected position to
BobS , August 18, 2017 at 7:56 pm
That's why I'm outraged.
Joe Tedesky , August 18, 2017 at 11:37 pm
See BobS no one knows how to take your snarky remarks. Plus, I don't believe you when you
say you were outraged, because your squirrelly mind doesn't know how to be sincere. Oh will
you pay for my ESL courses? Jagoff.
Pierre Anonymot , August 18, 2017 at 7:27 pm
Mr. Pary, do you manage to send your articles to selected editors and journalists of the
NYT, The Guardian, and their MSM mates? To selected politicians, including executive
bureaucrats & MIC peple? It seems to me that some of them must read more than twits
twittering? I think it's very vital that you do so or that someone does it on your behalf
Pierre Anonymot , August 18, 2017 at 7:27 pm
Roy G Biv , August 18, 2017 at 9:42 pm
Parry is well known on Capitol Hill and among the MSM. Long standing feud, but no doubt
Sam , August 18, 2017 at 7:37 pm
"a Ukrainian hacker whose malware was linked to the release of Democratic National
Committee (DNC) emails in 2016"
Mr Parry, the malware and its developer had nothing whatsoever to do with the DNC. The New
York Times erroneously made this claim and was forced to issue a correction. It has NEVER
been claimed that this malware was deployed against the DNC. I think your piece would be
strengthened if you mentioned that The New York Times made a big blunder about this.
Sam F , August 18, 2017 at 8:11 pm
Hi Sam, I regularly post here as Sam F and would appreciate your using an initlal to avoid
confusion, if you will.
Taras77 , August 18, 2017 at 9:33 pm
This might be a tad OT but both links follow the reporting on Russia-gate hysteria:
This link is a review of a book on the Browder deception (title of review article is a tad
more dire than the title of the book):
This link is to a very long article by saker on the neo con campaign to take down America
and probably the world-very long but worth a read, particularly with fast moving developments
in the trump white house; comments in general are also worthy of perusing:
We should be careful, as not to dwell strictly on memorial statues. I will admit though,
that the conversation should be had, but not without looking at the type of individuals who
flock towards the racist trend. So far, of what I have been able to read regarding these
young white guys, who have found comfort in racism, I find these misguided youth to be angry
over the rise of minority groups. Reading their words, these angered white supremacist wrote,
they complain that we spend to much time worried about bathrooms over them having a decent
job. I say, why can't we do both. Someone needs to tell these racist, that it's not the
various minority's who are getting in the way of their success in America, as much as it is
themselves for not being able to overcome the many obstacles life has put in their way. They
need to realize, that their future welfare doesn't rely on a minority losing any of their
rights, in order for these racist to survive comfortably. What they need to learn, is they
are their own best hope .attitude is altitude.
I also hope, that what happened in Charlottesville doesn't bring down the hammer on all
backwardsevolution , August 19, 2017 at 3:20 am
Joe – but there are too many "unskilled" workers coming into the country and it IS
making a difference. Long time ago, when there was an abundance of factories churning out all
sorts of products, there was a need for unskilled labor. People flooded into the country to
fill these much-needed positions. You didn't need any special training; you didn't need to
With jobs having been offshored to Asia and with increasing automation, there is not a
need for the same amount of "unskilled" labor as before, and yet they continue to pour into
the country. What are the people who are on the left-hand side of the bell curve supposed to
do? Innovate? Compete with the newcomers and have wages decline even more?
It's not the immigrants these kids dislike. It's the sheer numbers of them. Does that make
any sense to you, that it's about the "numbers"? I agree that obstacles in life often make
you wiser and stronger, but there comes a point in time when you start banging your head
against the wall. What is the point of putting so many unnecessary obstacles in front of
people? So some corporation can maintain a cheap labor force?
Sometimes my posts come across as sounding blunt. I don't mean them to. It's just that
when things are reduced to words, you miss the shrugs of the shoulders, the eye movement, the
sincerity in a person's voice.
Joe Tedesky , August 19, 2017 at 9:22 am
You never come off sounding bad, or blunt, with me.
For all the reasons you mentioned, is for all the reasons we as a society should require
us to pull together. You see, I don't believe that all these problems should be remedied with
racism taking over our young white mens political ideology. That's all I'm saying. If only
our country would elect leaders, instead of billionaire realtors with tv celebrity status. If
only this country's political parties were to not break the law running their gentrified Wall
St hack candidate, who's only aim is to feather her historical bio. You see
backwardsevolution, we need leaders, not celebrities seeking office for their own vain
Yes, for all the hard choices, and for all the tough decisions, should be the reason for
our leaders to reach out or down, which ever you prefer, and should be what pulls us
together. It breaks my heart, that here we are in 2017, the most successful nation God ever
put on earth, and our white young men are turning into racist. Now, what could be wrong with
that? I'll tell you what's wrong with that. Our leaders have quit leading, and replaced this
leadership we the people should be receiving, and replaced this ever distant leadership with
ignorance of doing their job to represent the voters.
Thanks for your response. Joe
backwardsevolution , August 19, 2017 at 11:49 am
Joe – " our white young men are turning into racists." I don't think they are, Joe.
I think they get angry that they are not being allowed to speak, as if what they have to say
doesn't really matter. I think that what we hear is carefully filtered, especially in the
MSM, so as to make it look like they're racist, but I don't think this is the case at all. No
time now, Joe. Thanks.
Joe Tedesky , August 19, 2017 at 11:59 pm
Okay, I will admit that our media portrays many of our events in the worst possible way.
You more than likely may have a point that these young white men are not racist, that for
many of them this white supremacist movement is just a vehicle to carry out their
What is wrong with our country's leadership, is how they speak to the problems, such as
unemployment, with the sharpest rhetoric they can find to say how they are going to create
many, many new and exciting jobs, but once in office they don't do a darn thing, as they go
on to ignore the many promises they had made on the campaign trail. What these politicians
seem completely oblivious too, is the voters who voted for them ,have memories, and they
Opportunity only comes to those who seek it. Well that's not completely true, but in most
cases it does prove that to those who try hard, much may be achieved. So if our politicians
were to really want to change our sad employment status in this country, then why don't they
do it? Would you invite 100 people over for a barbecue, and only have enough beverage and
food for 25 of your guess. So, why can't the American politicians manage to accommodate a
sagging work force, who's jobs they send off shore, with enough new jobs to fill the quota of
the unemployed? Because they weren't told too, by their corporate special interest, or maybe
they just didn't care enough to do something about it.
So, the young white, black, red, and yellow, person loses out. They lose out all because
they were neglected by the very people who said they would help them. I don't know about you,
but one of life's biggest disappointments, is when your savior turns their back on you.
I hope backwardsevolution I'm not sounding like I'm just spinning wheels, and I hope you
at least get a peek of what is going on inside my head, with these important issues.
Realist , August 19, 2017 at 5:49 am
"Illegitimi non carborundum." (Don't let the bastards grind you down.)
Keep fighting for your principles AND civil discourse on this board, Joe. I offer the same
words to backwardsevolution with whom you were conversing. You have both been stellar
examples of respectful debaters.
I don't for a minute think, like some who keep obnoxiously pushing the accusation that
most Americans, especially most Southern Americans, are racist, that racism underlies most of
the dysfunction in governance of modern America, and that President Trump is the king of all
racists, winning office only with the support of racists (and Russian saboteurs) to carry on
a racist agenda thus depriving us of a new golden age under Saint Hillary the Great. The
whole racist conflict in Charlottesville seemed suspiciously contrived to me to distract from
other problem areas and to facilitate the ongoing coup against Trump (like him or hate him).
I am NOT going to recapitulate all that yet again.
Certainly there were bone fide haters, some predisposed to violence, recruited into both
factions by professional agitators. They couldn't have succeeded in provoking the violence if
there were not. But, most working Americans are basically running scared, fearing they might
lose their jobs, their houses, their medical coverage, quality education for their kids, and
a viable future. Most whites, whether right or left, from the North or South, do not hate
blacks, Latinos, Muslims or immigrants in general. They can see how disadvantaged those
people often are and fear ending up in the same predicament. Most never say much about the
situation, certainly not in strident public statements. Even the participants at political
rallies are just a self-selected minority. Most who vote do so quietly, without comment. (My
parents would never tell us who they voted for -- Keeps the peace.) More than half the country
does not even vote. They choose to shy away from the political battlefield and certainly do
not want to confront agitators in the street.
Call them alienated or disconnected from society, and condemn them if it suits your world
view. We contributors to this site do put a lot of blame on those we decide are willfully
ignorant. But I suspect that most of the self-disenfranchised simply don't have enough time
to devote to learning the issues, choosing up sides and becoming activists, or even voters. I
doubt that many of them think that tearing down a bunch of old monuments they were totally
oblivious to will change their lives in any way and they certainly don't want to devote the
time or energy to fighting about them.
If either the left or the right want to improve the lot of regular Americans, they will
take some kind of action to bring back jobs to this country, not just high-skill jobs that
require massive re-education, but jobs for the middle and the working classes alike. I
thought that's what Dems always wanted to do, and what Trump said he would do. Why is
everything still in grid-lock in Washington while both parties are trying to dump the man who
opposed the TPP and said he would pressure corporations to keep jobs in and even bring back
jobs to America–not that I think the latter is likely, but why has even lip-service to
the idea stopped? If the Dems ostentatiously claimed THAT issue was their major bone of
contention with Trump, they'd have a lot more followers than the few idiots who buy the
When Newt Gingrich swept the GOP to power in the congress during Bill Clinton's first
term, he had devised a lengthy detailed plan of action called the "Contract for America." I
was not an advocate of those policies, but they certainly resonated better with the public
than today's "elect the Democrats to power and the Russians will never steal another
election, in fact, we'll kick their asses from the Baltic Sea to the Black Sea." "Plus we'll
tear down all the confederate monuments which should bring peace and harmony to the streets."
If the real game changers can ever be implemented (which seems near to hopeless to me),
racism will not be a major issue in this country, not if most of us are physically and
economically secure and optimistic about our futures. (I've had two black families and a
Latino family living in houses right next to mine in South Florida, and I had a mixed race
family as neighbors in my previous place of residence. Do I care? No. Do they care? No.
Anyone else in the neighborhood ever make a comment about anyone's race? No. Does it affect
my property value? No, but the real estate bubble caused by the banks sure did.)
Sam F , August 19, 2017 at 7:03 am
Yes, good to point out that economic distress is a major factor in apparent racism and
immigration resistance among US workers. This is a great concern to those who advocate
international development aid, who must answer objections on economic effects.
The answer on globalization may involve treaties and laws restricting trade to nations
that provide a standard of living that compares well with the lower middle class of the US,
and to suppliers who provide well for their employees. While that would be cheaper elsewhere,
so does not remove competition with US labor, it does require that the cost in jobs to the US
worker is matched by benefits in development elsewhere. So our assistance to US workers is
reduced by development assistance.
It also would prevent the US heartlessly exploiting cheap labor pools of oppressed
workers, without you or I being able to help them by purchasing choices, or to escape guilt
in their exploitation. It would be good to know that one could make purchasing decisions
without grinding others into poverty and degradation to save a few pennies.
BobS , August 19, 2017 at 7:53 am
" economic distress is a major factor in apparent racism and immigration resistance among
Partly, though certainly not solely, with respect to immigration.
Makes a nice scapegoat, though, for racists and their apologists.
Joe Tedesky , August 19, 2017 at 10:07 am
Your comment Sam took my mind back to my younger days when this town had an abundance of
steel mills. If you were a young apprentice sometimes on your first day on the job, no one
seemed to want to teach you the ropes, because each mill worker felt threatened that you were
to be trained to replace them. In time, if you didn't screw up, you would be accepted and
inducted into the group. We love cliques and groups, don't we? I thought of this, because
what you wrote reminded me of how outsiders are viewed by the existing work force. This
comparison on a international level is what we are experiencing. Our leadership is to blame
for this new dividing dilemma. Promises to replace your old job with a brand new better job,
was the big lie. Corporate profits override human necessity, and with that we all lose. I
don't think that all these retail outlets closing their doors, is merely due to Amazons
convenient purchasing, but much of this loss of retail revenue, is due to the beatdown
society just cannot afford it.
Good comment as always Sam. Joe
Realist , August 19, 2017 at 6:25 pm
You are very much on point, Joe, about worker pitted against worker. Who benefits from
such a divide and conquer tactic? The robber baron capitalists are who. And, I use that term
because the phenomenon is nothing new. It, like the bruhaha about race goes back to before
the Civil War. Ever watch the movie "The Gangs of New York?" Both these conflicts, involving
race (and ethnicity) and socioeconomic class, are laid out powerfully right there. And, just
as in the movie, after our generations exit the stage following all the sturm und drang, all
the hate and all the angst churned up because we are made pawns of greater forces, no one
will even remember we personally ever existed.
Trump Tower, the Clinton Foundation, and Obama's Library in Jackson Park (yeah, named
after the racist Andrew, not Stonewall) will still persist though, just like the confederate
statues do today. But would we really want our descendants to forget this era and the players
who dominated it? We build monuments in DC to the holocaust in Europe which didn't even
happen here, not to honor or glorify it but so we collectively don't forget. Maybe the
purpose of some monuments actually evolves over time to serve as a lesson rather than hero
worship, and when Americans a hundred years from now look upon a bronze cast of Robert E.
Lee, U.S. Grant or Douglas MacArthur their take will be, "war, how could our forebears
possibly have embraced something so heinous, so destructive, so insane?"
Joe Tedesky , August 20, 2017 at 12:20 am
I always take away something of high value from what you write Realist. I agree with what
you wrote here. I also think that our government should build right next to the Holocast
museum, a fitting tribute to the suffering of the 600 indigenous nations who the U.S. had
destroyed in its quest for manifest destiny. I'm serious, as a Sunday school teacher is on a
Sunday teaching the word of God. If our nation's soiled pass, is to remain hidden by the
curtain of everything that's just and right, then America's beloved citizens will never know
to what is true. How can our nation become truly great, if it keeps on continuing to lie to
itself. Making stuff up, will only last so long, until the truth will finally overcome every
lie you ever told yourself.
The change in attitude towards venerating our country's historical pass, is a sign of how
our American culture is changing. What got praise 100 years ago, may not be praise worthy by
today's existing society. There isn't much to cry about, but instead we should understand
that these changes will come, just as night follows day. I guess I'm a revisionist at heart,
but I do believe that assumptions and conclusions, are a ever changing thing. So what we are
witnessing, and experiencing, is just our own human evolution. Plus, I might add, as you know
Realist, history is always being updated, and revised, and with it many truths that weren't
known then become known.
It's always a pleasure to correspond with a reasonable, and sensible, comment poster as
Joe Tedesky , August 19, 2017 at 9:32 am
Every word you wrote Realist, is excellent. I felt the same way about Bill Clinton, but
your right, at least the masses at his time in office thought the economy was what it was all
about. I will save going into the reality of Clinton's time in office, but your point is well
Whether it be the Democrates, or a truly changed Republican party, one of these political
parties will need to accommodate the voter, if anything is to get better.
Rather than me go on, I'm just going to read once again what you wrote Realist, because I
could not write what you had wrote any better. Your words are excellent to what we are
I always enjoy reading your comments Realist, never leave us. Joe
Gregory Herr , August 19, 2017 at 3:06 pm
I have to chime in Joe. I read it twice for good measure. Thanks to Realist and the many
here who share such understandings.
backwardsevolution , August 20, 2017 at 7:11 am
Realist – thank you for your kind words. I always appreciate your well-thought-out
and intelligent posts. They provide class and depth to the conversation. I, on the other
hand, do not really belong on this site.
Sam F , August 20, 2017 at 9:58 am
Your posts have also been very useful and interesting, b-e.
backwardsevolution , August 21, 2017 at 12:15 am
Yours too, Sam. Always enjoy your comments --
Joe Tedesky , August 20, 2017 at 9:02 pm
Hey backwardsevolution your the life of this party, you never seem like you don't belong.
I personally look forward to reading your comments. So brighten up, you are needed here, and
that's no lie. Joe
backwardsevolution , August 21, 2017 at 12:25 am
Joe – you're such a kind man. Thank you. I enjoy reading your posts too; they're
always very considerate. What I mean by "I do not really belong on this site" is that I just
see things differently than a lot of others on here do, too differently. I'll hang around a
while yet, though. Thanks, Joe.
Joe Tedesky , August 21, 2017 at 4:09 pm
"that I just see things differently than a lot of others on here do, too differently"
With your quote that is all the more reason this sites comment board needs you
backwardsevolution , August 20, 2017 at 7:15 am
Realist – excellent post. Thank you.
exiled off mainstreet , August 19, 2017 at 12:02 am
At Nuremberg, in 1946, Julius Streicher, editor of the Nazi propaganda rag Der Stuermer,
was executed based on the crime of propagandizing for war. This article provides further
evidence that the New York Times Russia posturing is a tissue of propaganda lies. Since the
logical goal of the propaganda is war, and the crap they are publishing has similar validity
to that which was published for decades in the Nazi Stuermer rag, then if the legal doctrines
put forward in the Nuremberg trial could be applied to US war propagandists, their status as
war criminals would be apparent.
backwardsevolution , August 19, 2017 at 11:42 am
exiled – yeah, I don't see a difference between then and now. Lies are everywhere,
and not just little ones, but huge mothers used to sway public opinion. These guys really
need to be in jail.
Look at what the Governor of Virginia, Terry McAuliffe, said re Charlottesville. His
remarks were quickly refuted by the Virginia State Police, but if you happened to hear what
McAuliffe said, yet missed the police's remarks, you'd be none the wiser and you probably
would have believed McAuliffe.
"In an interview Monday on the Pod Save the People podcast, hosted by Black Lives Matter
activist DeRay Mckesson, McAuliffe claimed the white nationalists who streamed into
Charlottesville that weekend hid weapons throughout the town.
"They had battering rams and we had picked up different weapons that they had stashed
around the city," McAuliffe told Mckesson.
McAuliffe claimed in an interview with The New York Times that law enforcement arrived to
find a line of militia members who "had better equipment than our State Police had." In
longer comments that were later edited out of the Times' story, McAuliffe said that up to 80
percent of the rally attendees were carrying semi-automatic weapons. "You saw the militia
walking down the street, you would have thought they were an army," he said."
All total bullshit -- Talk about inciting people -- Why is this guy still walking around?
To be more successful, the right wing protestors should have paraded under a facade of
free speech, human rights and democracy, all the while promoting Nazi policies. This is
something US intelligence agencies, MSM, and Congress do every day. US politicians should
wear little swastika lapel pins on their suits to avoid confusion.
BobS , August 19, 2017 at 1:24 am
Obviously, the correct answer is
neo-Nazis in Ukraine = bad.
neo-Nazis in the U S = bad.
Then there's answers I've read in these comment sections, for instance
neo-Nazis in Ukraine = bad.
neo-Nazis in the U S = bad BUT .whatabout BLM?
neo-Nazis in Ukraine = bad
neo-Nazis in the U S = trap for Trump
as well as this classic:
neo-Nazis in Ukraine = bad.
neo-Nazis in the U S = DEEP STATE -- -- --
backwardsevolution , August 19, 2017 at 1:59 am
Here is a post by Karl Denninger, a fellow who used to own his own Internet company in
Chicago and is very knowledgeable about these things. After reading The Nation article by
Patrick Lawrence, he said:
"I wouldn't go so far as to claim impossible, but I would say "highly unlikely." The
second part of the statement, however, is utterly true -- it is completely consistent with
either a SD card or USB flash drive inserted into a computer.
When it comes to Internet transfer of data, remember one thing: You're only as fast as the
slowest link in the middle.
There are plenty of places on the Internet with gigabit (that's ~100MegaBYTE per second)
speeds. But you would need such pipes end to end, and in addition, they'd have to be
relatively empty at the time you exfiltrated the data.
What's worse is that there is a real bandwidth product delay problem that most
"pedestrian" operating systems do not handle well at all.
In other words as latency and number of hops go up, irrespective of bandwidth, there's an
issue with the maximum realistically obtainable speed, irrespective of whether there's
sufficient available pipe space to take the data. This is a problem that can be tuned for if
you know how and your system has the resources to handle it on some operating systems --
specifically, server-class operating systems like FreeBSD. But the "common" Windows machine
pretty-much cannot be adjusted in this way and it requires expert knowledge to do so. [ ]
But it sure does cast a long shade on the claims of "Russians -- " in this alleged "hack."
The simple fact of the matter is that the evidence points to inside exfiltration of the data
directly from the physical machines in question, which is no "hack" at all: It's an inside
job, performed by someone who had trusted, administrative access, and then doctored the
documents later to make it look like Russians.
And, I might add, poorly doctored at that.
PS: Left unsaid in the linked article, but it shouldn't have been, is that if there was an
SD card or external USB device plugged into the machine there is an event log from said
machine documenting the exact time that said device was attached and detached. Find that log
(or the timestamp on it being erased, which is equally good in a situation like this), match
it against the metadata times, and then start looking for security camera footage and/or
access card logs for where that machine is and you know who did it with near-certainty,
proved by the forensic evidence.
Now perhaps you can explain why the FBI didn't raid the DNC's offices with a warrant, take
custody of said logs and go through them to perform this investigation -- which would have
pointed straight at the party or parties responsible .."
Could the quote below apply to today?
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
"Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been
repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered.
And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing
exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right." – George Orwell,
BobS , August 19, 2017 at 8:44 am
"Could the quote below apply to today?"
If one is a drama queen, apparently yes.
Joe Tedesky , August 19, 2017 at 9:51 am
Stephen it doesn't take a drama queen to recognize the true sorry state our society has
evolved into. Orwell's 1984 is disturbingly coming to life more than ever. I read 1984 back
when I was a sophomore in high school, but recently a lawyer friend of mine read that book,
and he said that all he kept thinking about was me. He said, that while he read the book, the
many conversations which him and I had had made him think of my warnings to where our
civilization is going. No we are here, the date on your calendar may read 2017, but make no
mistake about it we are living in 1984.
I dread that these violent protest, will deny our civil rights to form protests, and that
would be a great loss. Although, these buggers in D.C. are convinced they must seize every
crisis, and milk it for all they can. Each terrible disaster brings with it new restrictions.
It maybe found when boarding a plane, or opening an investment account, as each tragic event
brought us to these new restrictions we must live with. We are being played, but that piece
of information, is covered over with conspiracy nut paper, and there go I.
Keep the faith Stephen, and ignore the trolling critics, who no doubt are paid to annoy us
with our own hard earned taxpayer money .now that's Big Brother stuff, if ever there was any
Big Brother stuff to disturb our inquiring minds. Joe
Reading the link you provided, all I could picture, was Senator John McCain doing a photo
op session with his new found friends the terrorist. Also, I believe that if you pay your
taxes you have every right to complain. That your ability to lodge a complain against your
government shouldn't depend solely on your voting, because you still pay your taxes, and that
paying your taxes, is your ticket to the complaint window.
What this country's politicians really need is a 'low voter turnout', so low as to
delegitimize the results of any election, which would result in the world not honoring your
country's election results.
As if on cue, to illustrate my point.
Get out the smelling salts.
Tannenhouser , August 22, 2017 at 10:32 pm
Balloons full of piss. I'd say that illustrates anything remotely resembling a point you
make believe you have made bobs.
Keep up the good work Joe. Thanks for all you and other's do here.
Michael Kenny , August 19, 2017 at 10:30 am
Mr Parry is simply repeating what he has said before in many articles. He even harks back
to the Malaysian airliner -- Whatever other evidence there may be (MacronLeaks, the criminal
investigation into which is still ongoing), Trump Junior's admissions prove Russian
interference in the US election. Russians claiming to represent their government met with
Junior and offered him DNC "dirt". DNC dirt subsequently appeared on the internet via
Wikileaks. That those two events are wholly unrelated coincidences is more than I am prepared
to believe. At that point, it matters not one whit how the Russians obtained the information
or from whom. The Russians promised, the Russians delivered. Did Charlottesville really do
this much damage? Putin's American supporters seem to be in panic -- Or is it Bannon?
Desert Dave , August 19, 2017 at 10:53 am
"Trump Junior's admissions prove Russian interference"? Unless I am not keeping up, all
that happened is that a PR flak (not in Russian government) used the promise of compromat to
arrange a meeting with Junior, where they talked about something else.
That's weak, my friend. And while it seems true that Trump's supporters are in a panic,
Trump is not Putin.
And in case you want to put me in the box with Trump supporters, know that I am actually a
LGBTQ-celebrating, anti-war, dirt-worshipping tree-hugger.
Gregor , August 19, 2017 at 12:47 pm
A sincere congratulations to some of us who have learned to ignore the snarky but non-
of Bob S. . Joe and Stephen and others, it seems you have found a way to communicate with
each other and the rest of us
without responding to Bob S. That's good.
Bob In Portland , August 19, 2017 at 2:16 pm
Let me toot my own horn again. I figured all this out last spring. But the way the false
information was fed to the public, large portions were revealed after the election, indicates
that the disinformation wasn't originally to prevent Trump's election, but rather intended as
use for President Hillary Clinton's casus belli to take the war to Russia. Everyone presumed
she would win. You can read original piece here: https://caucus99percent.com/content/okeydoke-americans-were-supposed-get
But, as I suggested in April, this okeydoke was directed by the intelligence wing of the
Deep State, probably the CIA, for Hillary's warhorse to ride into battle. It not only was
supported by the CIA, it was created by it. And while most Americans never consider that the
powers who are the likeliest suspects for the political assassinations of the sixties would
insinuate themselves into the political system and support and promote their own, I suggest
that another article, another one from the New York Times, which tries to explain Hillary
suspiciously bouncing from the right to the left during the troubled times of 1968. What the
article doesn't provide is that after volunteering for Gene McCarthy in early 1968 she
attended the Republican convention. After that she worked as an intern in Congress that
summer and wrote a speech for then-Republican congressman Robert "Bom" Laird about financing
the war in Vietnam. Six months after that speech Laird was Nixon's Secretary of Defense,
sending wave after wave of B-52s over Vietnam. Then Hillary capped her summer by going to the
civil war that was the Chicago Democratic convention.
Rather than looking like a confused college student, not sure whether to be a pro-war
Republican or an anti-war Democrat, Hillary Rodham looks more like one of the hundreds, if
not thousands, of government spies that infiltrated all progressive groups back then in
operations like the FBI's COINTELPRO. What did she do after that? She "observed" a Black
Panther trial in New Haven. Then a year or so later she spent a summer interning for the law
office in Oakland that represented Black Panthers in the Bay Area.
In short, she appeared to have an intelligence background before she allegedly met Bill on
the Yale campus, which holds out the possibility that their marriage was actually a marriage
made in Langley. And that explains why Deep State interests wanted and expected her to be
leading the charge in 2017.
As usual I take away a lot from your posting comments.
Michael , August 19, 2017 at 4:54 pm
Roy G Biv wrote: "It seems people have trouble holding disparate thoughts in their minds
and require mutual exclusivity "
Sam F wrote: "I do not exclude the possibility that intel technology whose nature and
location are critical secrets might be revealed with the evidence "
So what is being said is that the benefit to the USA of disclosing methods and sources has
not yet reached the level at which the FBI or the IC will comply on their own to make public
any evidence AND it also has not negatively affected the country enough to force our leaders
with the levers of power in their hands to make them comply.
That's what I hear and it sounds like typical political posturing. So we will get more
dysfunction in govt and more people dying here and abroad. Mean while we wait for the magic
event that will put us over the line. Or not
Sam F , August 19, 2017 at 6:00 pm
Yes, it looks like political manipulation. The IC could have revealed sufficient
information after a month or so at only moderate loss of intelligence asset value, both on
the alleged hacking and flight MH-17. If they were unprepared to reveal evidence after this
time, then they should not have publicized conclusions. By now they should accept the loss
and reveal it, otherwise citizens may fairly presume that political appointees in intel are
deceiving them for political purposes.
Typical sources that could be revealed by now:
1. A well-placed source in a foreign government agency: Try to claim another plausible
source, email intercept, or recently dismissed employee or defector already protected; if
that is impossible and the info is of great political importance in the US, the real source
must defect to the US for safety. We must take the intel loss to preserve the integrity of
2. A satellite or new technology: If the images or info seem to identify the source or
location or capability, then modify them enough to make it look like another technology or
location. Admitting alteration is better than providing nothing.
3. A snoop connection in a valuable location: move it, install another similar device, claim
that the info comes from a distinct source or location, etc.
If the problem is "developing" witness credibility or forthrightness, which some may hope
will improve, then the source is not yet credible and potential conclusions should not be
stated with "high confidence" by anyone who cares for truth in policy making.
Billy , August 19, 2017 at 7:30 pm
The "Russia hacked the DNC so if you pay attention to the content of the emails leaked,
you're a Putin loving unAmerican dog -- " lie used by the DNC to distract from their cheating
Bernie. Really took off, practically every pretend news source on the internet repeated the
evidence free accusation, as if it were a proven fact. As did all the MSM propagandist posing
as news anchors. The sheer number of people pushing the lie was mind boggling. Now all of the
sudden not a peep about it. I have to question the timing of the statue removal shit
stirring. It seems like a convienent distraction. Why now? All of a sudden these statues must
go -- -- I still haven't figured out what the distraction is distracting from. But the Nation
and other web sites were starting to publish truth about "Russia gate"
Bruce , August 19, 2017 at 10:13 pm
Good comment Billy. The timing of these events is always interesting. Like when the MSM
released info on trumps son meeting with a Russian, just after trump met face to face with
Putin in Europe. Presumably the MSM had this story for months, and ran it to "punish" trump
for the Putin meeting.
Bruce , August 19, 2017 at 10:04 pm
Again, its probably best to ignore BobS. He is probably a paid professional disruptor
..your tax dollars at work huh? The fact he is bothering to muddy these waters is both
flattering to CN and evidence of the validity of CN's stance on many important issues.
Herman , August 20, 2017 at 9:50 am
President Trump will probably survive but the effects of his treatment by the media,
politicians in both parties, and monied folks but the way he was attacked and its effects
will forever leave a mark on the Office itself. It is an unnecessary reminder how mindless
lynch mobs can be and how powerless the great majority of people are regarding what is
happening and will likely happen to them.
Hank , August 21, 2017 at 5:04 pm
Russia Gate is a Farce. If by now, the deep state has not figured out a way to make it
look like a Russian hack with some "credible" evidence that at least MSM and the masses can
swallow then we must seriously doubt. Post Categories: Canada
William Blum | Saturday, June 24, 2017, 20:02 Beijing
GR Editor's Note
This incisive list of countries by William Blum was first published in 2013, posted on
Global Research in 2014.
In relation to recent developments in Latin America and the Middle East, it is worth
recalling the history of US sponsored military coups and "soft coups" aka regime changes.
In a bitter irony, under the so-called "Russia probe" the US is accusing Moscow of
interfering in US politics.
This article reviews the process of overthrowing sovereign governments through military
coups, acts of war, support of terrorist organizations, covert ops in support of regime
In recent developments, the Trump administration is supportive of a US sponsored regime
change in Venezuela and Cuba
Prof. Michel Chossudovsky, June 24, 2017
Instances of the United States overthrowing, or attempting to overthrow, a foreign
government since the Second World War.
(* indicates successful ouster of a government)
China 1949 to early 1960s
East Germany 1950s
Iran 1953 *
Guatemala 1954 *
Costa Rica mid-1950s
British Guiana 1953-64 *
Iraq 1963 *
North Vietnam 1945-73
Cambodia 1955-70 *
Laos 1958 *, 1959 *, 1960 *
Ecuador 1960-63 *
Congo 1960 *
Brazil 1962-64 *
Dominican Republic 1963 *
Cuba 1959 to present
Bolivia 1964 *
Indonesia 1965 *
Ghana 1966 *
Chile 1964-73 *
Greece 1967 *
Costa Rica 1970-71
Bolivia 1971 *
Australia 1973-75 *
Angola 1975, 1980s
Portugal 1974-76 *
Jamaica 1976-80 *
Chad 1981-82 *
Grenada 1983 *
South Yemen 1982-84
Fiji 1987 *
Nicaragua 1981-90 *
Panama 1989 *
Bulgaria 1990 *
Albania 1991 *
Afghanistan 1980s *
Yugoslavia 1999-2000 *
Ecuador 2000 *
Afghanistan 2001 *
Venezuela 2002 *
Iraq 2003 *
Haiti 2004 *
Somalia 2007 to present
Q: Why will there never be a coup d'état in Washington?
A: Because there's no American embassy there.
Tom , August 22, 2017 at 7:13 am
Putin's denial is meaningless (though he just as likely could be telling the truth)
HOWEVER to my knowledge Assange has yet to be proven wrong (must less intentionally lying)
about anything. IMO he's the ONLY person in all of this who has anything resembling a record
of credibility. That MSM dismisses this demonstrates they are driven by narrative &
ideology, NOT pursuit of fact/truth
Jamie , August 22, 2017 at 12:59 pm
"If you look at Facebook, the vast majority of the news items posted were fake.
They were connected to, as we now know, the thousand Russian agents."
– Crooked Hillary
Large Louis de Boogeytown , August 22, 2017 at 2:58 pm
There is just as much evidence that Ukraine hacked the DNC computer and releasing the
information was another one of that countries 'mistakes'. If they are capable of nothing
else, Ukraine seems to produce "software experts" who are involved in EVERY dirty game
attached to the internet. The latest one is about turning the Ukrainian 'hryvnia' into real
money – 'bitcoin'.
Richard Steven Hack , August 22, 2017 at 6:34 pm
Yes, it DID rely ENTIRELY on CrowdStrike.
All CrowdStrike did was send the FBI a "certified true image" of the DNC servers. This
also applies to the other two infosec companies who weighed in on the evidence –
Mandiant and FireEye. Neither the FBI or those two companies ever examined the DNC servers,
the DNC routers or other IT infrastructure which is an absolute MUST in investigating a
That is NOT sufficient. ALL the alleged "evidence" provided by CrowdStrike is either
circumstantial or easily spoofable. Therefore the only thing the FBI can see on that
"certified true image" is the "evidence" provided by CrowdStrike.
And CrowdStrike is COMPLETELY COMPROMISED by being a company run by an ex-pat Russian who
hates Putin and Russia, someone who sees Russian under every PC.
Richard Steven Hack , August 22, 2017 at 7:32 pm
I should also point out that Jeffrey Carr has been saying this exact thing since the
events unfolded last summer. In fact, from an email to me, he's said he's tired of talking
Jeffrey is absolutely right. NONE of the alleged "evidence" provided by CrowdStrike in any
way connects directly back to ANYONE, let alone the Russian government.
Some of it is laughable, such as the notion that the malware compile times were "during
Moscow business hours." If you look at a time zone map, you see that Kiev, Ukraine, is one
hour behind Moscow time. When it's business hours in Moscow, it's business hours in Ukraine
– and can you imagine there are Ukraine hackers more than willing to frame Russia for a
The National article and the research by The Forensicator does not PROVE that the DNC
emails were leaked, because it is POSSIBLE for someone to access high-speed Internet.
Unlikely, as The Forensicator states, but NOT impossible. At least 17% of the US has access
to Gigabit Ethernet to the home and business. However, as The Forensicator correctly points
out, it's hard to get that kind of speed across the Internet, especially to Eastern Europe
where the entity Guccifer 2.0 allegedly resides.
Further, we don't know that the copies analyzed by The Forensicator were copied originally
from the DNC. In fact, The Forensicator specially disavows that requirement. What is
important to him is that the analysis proves that Guccifer 2.0 was NOT remotely hacking from
Romania because 1) the speeds involved, and 2) the timestamps are all East Coast USA times
(which he acknowledges could be faked but Guccifer 2.0 would have had little reason to do so
or even think of doing so.)
The bottom line is that The Forensicator's analysis, coupled with Adam Carter's analysis
of the Guccifer 2.0 entity, establishes good solid CIRCUMSTANTIAL evidence that Guccifer 2.0
is NOT a remote Romanian hacker and is NOT a Russian agent, but rather an entity inserted
into the mix to provide "evidence" that the DNC leak was a Russian hack.
And finally, of course, we have Sy Hersh being caught on tape explicitly stating that he
has seen or had read to him an FBI report that specifically states the murdered DNC staff
Seth Rich WAS in contact with Wikileaks and had offered to sell them DNC documents. And that
Wikileaks had access to Rich's DropBox account where presumably he was stashing those
documents or using it to transfer them to Wikileaks.
Hersh is preparing a full report on this matter, which if it's anything like his earlier
articles will bury the "DNC hack" story completely.
Remember that "Russiagate" essentially depends on TWO critical factors:
1) That it is a fact that Russia hacked the DNC; and
2) That it is Russia that transferred the DNC emails to Wikileaks – otherwise there is
no real reason why Russia would hack the DNC and it certainly did not do so to "influence the
If number one is weak, due to laughable "evidence" and number two proves to be false, the
entire "Russia influencing the election" story goes away. And the rest of the "Trump
collusion" "evidence" is also laughable.
Now it may well be true that even if Russia did not give Wikileaks the emails they may
still have hacked the DNC at some point. I submit that if the Russian government did it, we'd
never know about it. First because they wouldn't have done it over the Internet because of
the risk of the NSA detecting it (the NSA certainly wasn't monitoring the DNC) and second,
they wouldn't have left any real evidence, especially not evidence linking directly to
Russian intelligence would have either used a physical penetration of the DNC network
(easily done as demonstrated by US penetration testers all the time) or used a wireless
connection into the DNC network from somewhere close to the DNC server location. That's
assuming they wouldn't use the standard intelligence tactic of bribery or blackmail to get a
DNC staffer to GIVE them the emails. In any case, the NSA would not have detected that hack,
and CrowdStrike wouldn't have found any significant forensic evidence except perhaps some
evidence that forensic traces had been ERASED.
Which basically means that whoever hacked the DNC – and that is only IF the DNC was
REALLY hacked, for which there is NO PROOF except the DNC's and CrowdStrike's word since the
FBI did not investigate the alleged hack itself – might have been 1) some criminal
hacker(s) from Russia or elsewhere, or 2) some other intelligence agency trying to frame
Russia for a hack.
It has been suggested that Russian intelligence DOES use criminal hackers on a contract
basis either to perform hacks or to buy intel from said hackers. However, I find it unlikely
that Russian intelligence would use incompetent hackers – and the DNC hackers had to be
incompetent to leave the traces they did – for such a "sensitive" hack on a political
party in the US.
You can't have it both ways: 1) that awesomely capable Russian hackers are hacking
everything in the US connected to the election, and 2) that they are so incompetent as to
leave easily followed trails right back to the Kremlin.
In general, so-called "attribution" of "Russian hackers "is nothing of the sort. It is
merely attribution to a collection of hacking tools and alleged "targets". With the sole
exception of Mandiant identifying specific individuals in a specific building in China, which
if accurate was an impressive display of solid attribution, ninety percent of the time no
individuals or agencies can be reliably identified by attribution.
Instead, what we get is the following:
1) Someone ASSUMES that because "target X" is a government or other sensitive facility
that the hacker of said target MUST BE a "nation state actor."
2) Then some later hacker who either happens to use the same hacking tools or happens to
target a similar target is ASSUMED to be either the same hacker or associated with the same
hacker. (Note: the DNC hackers are actually alleged to be TWO SEPARATE entities – APT28
and APT29 – not including Guccifer 2.0.)
3) Thus a house is built on the sand of the first assumption and used to justify all the
subsequent "analysis" and "assessments."
An example of this is German intelligence believing that Russia committed a specific hack,
and that is now used as justification for believing the DNC hack was done by the same group,
when in fact German intelligence merely stated that because of the TARGET of the hack they
"assessed" that it MIGHT have been Russian intelligence.
In reality, ANY hacker will hack ANY TARGET if he thinks 1) that it will be a challenge,
and/or 2) that it will be interesting, and/or 3) that it contains PII (Personally
Identifiable Information) or other data such as credit cards which he can sell on the hacker
underground. Therefore the choice of target doesn't really prove anything.
The choice of hacking tools is also irrelevant. CrowdStrike asserted that some of the
tools used in the DNC hack are "exclusive". Jeffrey Carr has proven they're not, because he
spoke to Ukrainian hackers and others who have them.
Bottom line: Without HUMINT (human intelligence) or SIGINT (signals intelligence) obtained
offline that specifically identifies a given organization or individuals, attribution of a
specific hack to a specific hacker(s) is almost impossible.
Most of the hackers who have been caught have been caught because they had poor
operational security and allowed email addresses and other identifying information that
connected directly to their offline identity to be found. Without that, most hackers get
away, unless they can be lured into identifying themselves by bragging or being set up by a
At this point, Carr is right: There is NO publicly available, non-circumstantial,
non-spoofable evidence that a DNC hack even occurred, let alone that any hack that might have
been done was done by Russians at all, let alone the Russian government. And all of the
alleged US intelligence "assessments" have provided NO additional evidence.
Richard Steven Hack , August 22, 2017 at 7:36 pm
Correction to my post:
"(the NSA certainly wasn't monitoring the DNC)" s/b
"(the NSA certainly was monitoring the DNC)"
now it isn't just the nytimes but the new yorker as well, with a many pages piece in its
current issue that reads like a doctoral thesis written by a gossip columnist and is a
hatchet job on assange and in great part accusing him, putin and russia of electing trump..
hope you will comment on some of the specifics the writer includes which will probably be
convincing to readers of political gossip columns and benefit from informed criticism such as
you can provide..i don't believe any of this crap anyway.
His exit is a win for backers of a more traditional ! and interventionist ! U.S. foreign
By Michael Crowley
August 21, 2017 " Information Clearing House " - Stephen Bannon
may have been a political adviser to President Donald Trump, but his firing Friday could have
an impact on U.S. foreign policy from Europe to the Middle East and Asia.
Bannon's exit clears an obstacle for backers of an active U.S. foreign policy in line with
recent presidencies ! and is a resounding win for Bannon's internal rival, national security
adviser H.R. McMaster.
Bannon was a regular participant in national security debates, often as an opponent of
military action and a harsh critic of international bodies like the United Nations and the
He has also been a withering critic of diplomatic, military and intelligence
professionals!"globalists" he says have repeatedly shown bad judgment, particularly when it
comes to U.S. military interventions abroad. That put him at loggerheads with Defense Secretary
James Mattis and Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, as well as McMaster.
"If you look at the balance of power of isolationists versus internationalists in the White
House now, it seems safe to say that the pendulum has swung towards the internationalists,"
said Danielle Pletka, senior vice president for foreign and defense policy studies at the
American Enterprise Institute.
Though Bannon has not described himself as an "isolationist," he has proudly adopted Trump's
"America First" motto, which he says argues for spending less blood and treasure overseas for
anything less than America's most vital interests.
He has also alarmed European leaders with his criticism of the E.U. and his expressed
support for some European nationalist movements. Bannon actively backed Great Britain's 2016
"Brexit" from the E.U. and introduced Trump to its chief political advocate, the populist
British politician Nigel Farage.
"Our European allies are happy about Bannon's departure," said Jorge Benitez, a senior
fellow with the Atlantic Council.
In the immediate term, foreign policy insiders agreed, Bannon's departure also could
increase the chances of a U.S. troop increase in Afghanistan!a plan championed by McMaster but
strongly opposed by Bannon, who managed to draw out debate on the issue with direct appeals to
More generally, it will remove an internal brake on U.S. military action abroad. Bannon has
argued greater U.S. intervention in Iraq and Syria and was among the few White House officials
to oppose President Donald Trump's early-April missile strike in Syria.
Bannon is not totally conflict averse: He calls for a far stronger U.S. posture against
China and has warned that war with Beijing could be inevitable. But he pressed Trump to take
economic, not military action against Beijing.
And on Wednesday, Bannon told the American Prospect magazine that there is "no military
solution" to Trump's standoff with North Korea!undermining the president's recent military
threats against that country, and echoing China's view of the situation.
Beyond the policy realm, Bannon's exit is a clear victory for national security adviser H.R.
McMaster, who at times seemed to be in zero-sum struggle with the Trump adviser for power and
influence in the White House.
Foreign policy veterans were startled when, in early February, Trump designated Bannon as a
member of the National Security Council's elite principals committee!calling it unprecedented
for a White House political adviser to have a reserved seat at the table for life-and-death
McMaster stripped Bannon of his official NSC position in April, after succeeding the ousted
Michael Flynn!a Bannon ally!as national security adviser. Bannon continued to attend NSC
meetings and debates about foreign policy in the Oval Office. But Bannon resented McMaster for
demoting him, and for purging several Flynn allies from the NSC.
Bannon and McMaster also sharply differed on how Trump should discuss terrorist groups like
ISIS and al Qaeda. Bannon favors using the phrase "radical Islamic extremism," but McMaster has
largely prevented Trump from saying it in public on the grounds that it could alienate moderate
Muslims who hear it as an attack on their religion.
McMaster's defenders have accused Bannon of spearheading a campaign of leaks meant to
undermine the top national security aide.
"The campaign to get him out was clearly coming from Bannon or his allies," said Brian
McKeon, a former NSC chief of staff and senior Pentagon policy official in the Obama
administration. "The national security adviser's job is hard enough without having to always
look over your shoulder to see who's trying to knife you.
"This will make McMaster's days a little easier," he added.
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Likely to share McMaster's satisfaction at Bannon's ouster is Tillerson, who chafed at
Bannon's role in State Department personnel decisions. Speaking to the American Prospect this
week, Bannon boasted that he was working to remove Tillerson's top official for China and East
"I'm getting Susan Thornton out at State," Bannon said in the interview.
In a pointed show of support the next morning, Tillerson shook Thornton's hand in front of
And when Tillerson recommended in February that Trump nominate former Reagan and George W.
Bush administration official Elliott Abrams to be his deputy, Bannon intervened to block the
choice, according to Abrams.
"Bannon's departure probably means a return to normalcy, where the State and Defense
Departments will have greater influence on foreign policy," Abrams said.
Bannon also told the Prospect that he was "changing out people" on the Pentagon's China
desk. Mattis, too, has had personnel disputes with the White House.
"Anything that Tillerson and Mattis really push for will now have a better chance of winning
out!for better and for worse," Abrams added.
Abrams and others said that Bannon's exit makes it more likely that McMaster and Mattis will
convince Trump to send more U.S. troops in Afghanistan, the subject of a meeting among Trump
and his national security team at Camp David today.
Some sources downplayed the significance of Bannon's departure, however!noting that, on
military and diplomatic issues, Bannon was more dissenter than policy maker.
Ben Rhodes, a former top national security aide to former President Barack Obama, said
Bannon's main contributions was his backing for Trump's early executive orders restricting
travel from several Muslim-majority countries. Bannon was also a defender of his friend and
ally Sebastian Gorka, a controversial White House adviser who often appears on television.
"On national security, it was hard to see Bannon's influence anywhere other than the Muslim
ban and Gorka doing cable hits, so I don't think it changes that much," Rhodes said, adding:
"It does suggest a greater likelihood of a troop increase in Afghanistan."
And several sources cautioned that while Bannon may not longer occupy the White House, his
worldview is still frequently reflected in the words of the most powerful policymaker of all:
European allies "will not be popping champagne corks because their main source of worry
remains in the White House, Donald Trump," Benitez said. "Most Europeans blame Trump personally
rather than Bannon or other subordinates for damaging transatlantic relations."
"The president gets the last vote," McKeon added. "And he has a different approach to
foreign policy than all his predecessors."
330 million people and a bunch of nutbars in charge of the place, very few of whom have ever
had a vote cast for them in any election, Trump being the exception. Some guy like Bannon
sits around formulating a wanker worldview and somehow gains power for seven months. I don't
suppose the EU gives a tinker's damn that he dislikes it, it's none of his business.
Fulminating on it just exposes his acceptance of Imperial America, muttering threats because
in his blinkered mind that's not the way the US would have organized Europe - I am unaware
that anyone with a brain regards Bannon as an intellectual, merely a weirdo. Then you have
all these generals running around thinking they're political geniuses or something, all
unelected bozos with little exposure to real life. Giving and taking orders and salutes all
around, living a regimented life - just the thing for running the civilian part of the USA.
Why is it that in the US you vote for dogcatchers, sheriffs and judges which no other
country bothers with, yet all these high cabinet posts are filled from unelected dorks out
there who somehow got noticed, picked by the president, nominated and agreed to by the
Senate? The argument has been, well because they're specialists. So what - they're not
responsible to the electorate in any direct manner. There's a fat chance that they are
managerial competents if they are from the military, a big chance they have developed some
warped theory about the world, and few of them are in the slightest bit interested in
domestic politics as it relates to the average citizen. 50% of the budget goes to running the
armed forces, by nature always measuring foreign "threats" as if diplomacy was a competition
or something. The business types picked as cabinet secretaries are invariably from the big
business side of the ledger and find foreigners annoying when they don't hand over their
natural resources for next to nothing royalties, leading to the government bashing these
foreigners over the head until they put someone in charge who sees the "light" and becomes a
It's a formula for bad government for the domestic population from beginning to end. So up
ramps the patriotism to make the people keep the faith which many are happy to do, and then
they crap all over the way other countries are organized, their food, customs and "only in
America can a hobo be elected President" and there's no opportunity anywhere but in the USA
memes. Mesmerized by their own propaganda into thinking the US is the best there is.
To a certain extent Bannon firing was the sacrifices that converted Trump into Bush
II. Globalist coalition won but this is a Pyrrhic victory. the problem that brought Trump
to the White house -- crisis of neoliberalism and first of all neoliberal globalization is unsolvable
within the neoliberal framework. And Trump administration has now nothing but his bastard version
of neoliberal and deregulation and all that staff. And to this "Javanka" problem and Trump looks
doomed to be failure.
"... He has failed. While he moved quickly on the immigration issue, he did so in such a ham-handed way that any prospect for momentum was lost before it could begin. On foreign policy he has belied his own campaign rhetoric with his bombing of Syrian military targets, his support for Saudi Arabia's nasty war in Yemen, his growing military presence in Syria, his embrace of NATO membership for Montenegro, his consideration of troop augmentations in Afghanistan, and his threat to consider military involvement in Venezuela's internal affairs. On trade, it must be said, he has sought to move in the direction of his campaign rhetoric, though with limited results thus far. ..."
"... In the meantime, he suffered a tremendous defeat with the failure of congressional Republicans to make good on their vow to end and replace the Affordable Care Act. His tax-overhaul initiative is far behind the kind of calendar schedule needed for smooth success (by this point in 1981 Reagan had secured both his big tax package and an even more controversial spending-reduction program). And Trump's infrastructure program must be seen as residing currently in Nowheresville. ..."
"... What we see in these defeats and stalled initiatives is an incapacity on the part of the president to nudge and herd legislators, to mold voter sentiment into waves of political energy, to fashion a dialectic of political action, or to offer a coherent vision of the state of the country and where he wishes to take it. Everything is ad hoc. No major action seems related to any other action. In a job that calls for a political chess master, Trump displays hardly sufficient skills and attentiveness for a game of political checkers. ..."
"... It's telling, but not surprising, that Trump couldn't manage his White House staff in such a way as to maintain a secure place on the team for the man most responsible for charting his path to the White House. This isn't to say that Bannon should have been given outsized influence within West Wing councils, merely that his voice needed to be heard and his connection to Trump's core constituency respected. ..."
"... But that's not the way Trump operates -- another sign of a man who, over his head at the top of the global power structure, is winging it. ..."
"... ...A major part of the reason was, ironically, the economic prosperity that had come through industrialization, massive improvements in transportation, and the advent of telecommunications, ethnic and religious respect, freedom of speech... ..."
"... The differing subspecies of hominids are neither fungible nor equal ..."
"... "There are easily a billion or more people today, who have no concept of either the pipe or the wheel" ..."
In the wake of Stephen Bannon's firing, it has become almost inconceivable that President Trump
can avoid a one-term fate. This isn't because he sacked Bannon but because of what that action tells
us about his leadership. In celebrating Bannon's dismissal, The Wall Street Journal wrote
in an editorial: "Trump can't govern with a Breitbart coalition. Does he see that?" True enough.
But he also can't govern without the Breitbart constituency -- his core constituency -- in
his coalition. The bigger question is: Does he see that ?
It's beginning to appear that Trump doesn't see much of anything with precision or clarity when
it comes to the fundamental question of how to govern based on how he campaigned. He is merely a
battery of impulses, devoid of any philosophical coherence or intellectual consistency.
Indeed, it's difficult to recall any president of recent memory who was so clearly winging it
in the Oval Office. Think of Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon, both of whom made huge mistakes that
cost them the White House. But both knew precisely what they wanted to accomplish and how to go about
accomplishing it. The result was that both accomplished big things. Ronald Reagan propelled himself
into governing mode from campaign mode as if he had shot himself out of a cannon. Even Jimmy Carter
and George H. W. Bush, who stumbled into one-term diminishment, demonstrated more leadership coherence
than the current White House occupant.
Trump's political challenge on Inauguration Day was simple but difficult. He had to galvanize
his political base and build from there to fashion a governing coalition that could give propulsion
to his agenda. Further, that agenda had to give a majority of Americans a sense that the economy
was sound and growing, that unnecessary foreign wars would be avoided, that domestic tranquility
would prevail, that the mass immigration of recent years would be curtailed, that the health care
mess would be fixed, and that infrastructure needs would be addressed.
He has made little or no progress on any of it. And now, with Bannon banished from the White House,
the president even seems to be taking a cavalier attitude toward his core constituency, America's
white working class, beset by sluggish economic growth, the hollowing out of America's industrial
base, unfair competitive practices by U.S. trading partners, unchecked immigration, the opioid crisis,
and a general malaise that accompanies a growing sense of decline.
Trump became president because he busted out of the deadlock crisis that had gripped America for
years, with both parties rigidly clinging to shopworn nostrums that fewer and fewer Americans believed
in but which precluded any fresh or original thinking on the part of the party establishments. Consider
some of the elements of conventional wisdom that he smashed during the campaign.
Immigration: Conventional thinking was that a "comprehensive" solution could emerge
as soon as officials convinced voters that they would, at some point soon, secure the border,
and then the 11 million illegals in the country could be granted some form of amnesty. After all,
according to this view, polls indicated solid support for granting illegals a path to citizenship
or at least legal residence. Thus the issue was considered particularly hazardous to Republicans.
But Trump demonstrated that voter concerns about the magnitude of immigration -- both legal and
illegal -- were more widespread and intense than the political establishment wanted to believe.
He transformed the dynamics of the issue.
Foreign Policy: Trump railed against George W. Bush's Iraq invasion, the ongoing and
seemingly pointless war in Afghanistan, Barack Obama's actions to help overthrow Libya's President
Muammar Qaddafi, and the previous administration's insistence that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad
must leave office even though his toughest enemies, ISIS and al-Nusra, were also our enemies.
He sought to sooth the tensions then gaining momentum between the United States and Russia, and
he did so in the face of widespread hostility from most of the foreign policy establishment. In
all this he signaled that, as president, he would formulate an entirely new grand strategy designed
to align U.S. policy with U.S. power and avoid foreign wars with little connection to U.S. vital
Trade: Trump took on the establishment view that globalized free trade provided an
automatic benefit to the U.S. economy and U.S. workers, even when big trading partners, particularly
China, imposed non-tariff trade barriers that slammed America's waning industrial core and the
country's working classes. Here again he demonstrated a strong body of political sentiment that
had been ignored or brushed aside by the country's economic and financial elites.
The important point about these issues is that they all cut across partisan lines. That's what
allowed Trump to forge a nontraditional coalition that provided him a slim margin of victory -- but
only in the Electoral College. His challenge was to turn this electoral coalition into a governing
He has failed. While he moved quickly on the immigration issue, he did so in such a ham-handed
way that any prospect for momentum was lost before it could begin. On foreign policy he has belied
his own campaign rhetoric with his bombing of Syrian military targets, his support for Saudi Arabia's
nasty war in Yemen, his growing military presence in Syria, his embrace of NATO membership for Montenegro,
his consideration of troop augmentations in Afghanistan, and his threat to consider military involvement
in Venezuela's internal affairs. On trade, it must be said, he has sought to move in the direction
of his campaign rhetoric, though with limited results thus far.
In the meantime, he suffered a tremendous defeat with the failure of congressional Republicans
to make good on their vow to end and replace the Affordable Care Act. His tax-overhaul initiative
is far behind the kind of calendar schedule needed for smooth success (by this point in 1981 Reagan
had secured both his big tax package and an even more controversial spending-reduction program).
And Trump's infrastructure program must be seen as residing currently in Nowheresville.
What we see in these defeats and stalled initiatives is an incapacity on the part of the president
to nudge and herd legislators, to mold voter sentiment into waves of political energy, to fashion
a dialectic of political action, or to offer a coherent vision of the state of the country and where
he wishes to take it. Everything is ad hoc. No major action seems related to any other action. In
a job that calls for a political chess master, Trump displays hardly sufficient skills and attentiveness
for a game of political checkers.
And now Stephen Bannon is gone. The rustic and controversial White House strategist represented
Trump's most direct and compelling tie to his political base, the people who flocked to his rallies
during the campaign, who kept him alive when his political fortunes waned, who thrilled to his anti-establishment
message, and who awarded him the states of Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania. As the
Journal says, Trump can't govern only with this electoral base. But if his support among these
people wanes or dissipates, he will have no base from which to build -- and no prospect for successful
It's telling, but not surprising, that Trump couldn't manage his White House staff in such
a way as to maintain a secure place on the team for the man most responsible for charting his path
to the White House. This isn't to say that Bannon should have been given outsized influence within
West Wing councils, merely that his voice needed to be heard and his connection to Trump's core constituency
But that's not the way Trump operates -- another sign of a man who, over his head at the top
of the global power structure, is winging it.
Some people are more culturally predisposed to exploring and trying new things.
If you believe the future will be better than the past then you will be prepared to work to
improve things, if you believe the world is in terminal decline and that the glory days were some
time ago, either when gods or prophets did all the important stuff or when your locale was more
prosperous then you will not be as encouraged to work on improvements and you will thend to hoarde
meagre resources and live by thrift with minimal expenditure.
Oracle of Kypseli
Aug 20, 2017 10:00 PM I think that colonialism is in play again as the advance societies are
starving for resources and will invest in these countries in exchange. This will change the trend
into better education, better jobs and everything that comes with it for the middle classes but
perpetuate slave wages for the uneducated masses.
The world is not changing but morphing. It's the nomenclature that changes for the sake of
political correcteness and feel good predisposition.
The history of western investment in third world resources does not
make for a pretty read. Look now at what has happened just in the last months of a major silver
mine being closed in a small Central American country, where the local manager has been accused
of murdering protestors and objectors to the mines presence in their midst, destroying the countryside.
The CIA seems to have had, as it's primary objective, the job of clearing the way for US and
British, and Canadian industrial, infrastructure and mining interests to come in and take the
resources. A good payoff to the man in power greases the wheels, and the people get nothing but
a degraded environment and mammoth debt.
The next step is to restructure the debt, in the process privatizing state infrastructure at
cut rate prices. This is nothing but mass rape and pillage.
"American exceptionalism" is just a small-time ugly consequence of the
actual phenomenon: good old imperialism, taught by the British. And there's nothing wrong with
it. All European countries have accepted NATO and american influence on them willingly. They have
all recognized and validated American exceptionalism themselves. As subjects of an empire they
now complain that the Emperor is quickly losing its clothes,
True you have to have "Ambition & Will" for change to stomach the difficult
period of creating that change. (eg Gandhi, US independence etc).
...A major part of the reason was, ironically, the economic prosperity that had come through
industrialization, massive improvements in transportation, and the advent of telecommunications,
ethnic and religious respect, freedom of speech...
This however while a factor is also bias. Post WWII no weapons (other than US) were permitted
in Pacific war region and a decisive factor in limiting the influence of the Brits in their pre
war colonies. Post colonials also saw war as a way out of colonial rule, using US leverage to
oust Brit influence.
edit - probably BritBob will go apoplectic with this? Cue "Rule Britania"
all ZHers owe themselves trek to Mother India, quite a head turning
experience. One comes to appreciate the West's "can-do philosophy."
This approach to problem solving is in small measure in India. India's fine burgeoning medical
capital in Chennai (old Madraas) is a testament to talented Indians being schooled in Occidental
universities and then returned to Mother India to set up shop. In many ways, India will lead the
West OUT of their self-imposed medical nemesis. There is much progress in India. All Indians love
to ORATE. You betcha, they stand on the corner and begin lecturing. A much better approach than
USA's 535 idiots and grifters that make up the US Congress.
My own hunch is that India will eclipse the remarkable progress of China. Stay tuned as the
Perhaps it's time to admit Indians got a chance to take their country
back and move their society forward, seen through nationalist Gandhi, but Indians neither want
nor understand the concept of moving forward.
Without the "western model of development" there would be no development in India for millennia.
Ayreos Aug 21, 2017 5:20 AM
Without the Aryan colonization/admixture of many millennia ago, there
would never have been any civilization on the Indian Subcontinent.
The Second Aryan invasion (ie British colonialism) left barely enough behind to last more than
the coming century.
The differing subspecies of hominids are neither fungible nor equal . But there is
huge amount of paper profits to be derived from pretending otherwise. There is a lot of ruin to
be extracted from the Commons. At home, The African Equality Racket has garnered trillions so
far, with no sign of stopping. Abroad, The Afghan Equality Racket has garnered trillions so far,
with no sign of stopping. No signs of progress with either hominid population. And yet, we still
have people arguing that culture is somehow separate from biology.
But back to the topic at hand..
Prediction: India returns to barbarism and warring superstitions.
The western way of moving forward is about consuming, using up resources.
Once the resources are gone, they have to find a new place to plunder, in order to again move
The eastern culture is in general about living in a sustainable manner, in harmony with nature.
Their way is more about trade and not war. This is why they got conquered so easily.
Now I can't say which is better. Plundering and moving forward or staying put and living in
peace with nature. My only hope is that the easterners have enough of the western values already
in them to not repeat the old mistakes again.
"...the hope among people in the World Bank, the IMF, and other armchair
intellectuals was that once the correct incentives were in place and institutions were organized,
these structures imposed from on high would put the third world on a path to perpetual growth.
They couldn't have been more wrong..."
Anyone who tracked the likes of Hans Adler a German/Brazilian Jew who worked for the World
Bank in the 60s and 70s and who I studied under at George Mason University in the 80s knows that
the "Latifundio/Minifundio" land tenure structure was the mechanism and means to exploit the gold
fillings "literally" out of the mouths of the natives that owned and tended their lands throughout
Latin America from the 40s through the 80s doing what the World Bank and IMF always has done it's
best to get the multinationals in to take over the most important arable land for exploitation
through "incentivized" loan deals that ended up robbing them of all their ownership for worthless
"shit paper" -- ... Rinse and repeat for the "model" used everywhere else especially Middle Eastern
John Perkins solidified it in his work "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man" 25 years later...
Too little too late I'm afraid. Only wish there were many more like him --
I only wish Perkins had explained the role of the dollar. This book,
'The Hidden Hand of American Hegemony' 'Petrodollar Recycling and International Markets' explains
that better. He does explain how The IMF and World Bank keep them in line with debt, though.
Read "The Confessions of an Economic Hit Man". IMF, USAID and BIS have
worked in unison to rape and pillage the "Third World"
This is not a problem of the colonies falling apart, it is a problem of deliberate overselling
of debt with a side of mandated privatisation, followed by ruin and sale of government assets,
followed by grinding povery and tax to pay the interest on the ever climbing debt.
This is a system of overt debt slavery disguised as aid.
I think this piece is white wash propaganda. Tylers??
Well said, Cat -- The occupying nations left a cadre of native
criminals behind to enslave their countrymen. The cadre of native criminals take their cut and
pass the rest uphill to London, Paris or New York. They call it "Independence" -- Sort of
like what happened in the new United States of America where farmers and artisans fought for freedom
from Great Britain and New York, Massachusetts and Virginia aristocrats took over the country.
You need to read up on a litle history my friend..... your post is ignorant
at so many levels, it's laughable. The number of highly advanced concepts that were stolen from
the east over the centuries is legion. India and the ME were the root of all great knowledge, astrology,
astronomy, metallurgy (Damascus steel came from India), mathematics (Zero came from India)......
Whites were shitting on the streets and eating their dead not 300 years ago.
Jhonny come lately with a gun, get it? And all your scientific wonders are toxic to the world
and humans. All of them, including your "medicine"....
Stephen K. Bannon has always been more comfortable when he was trying to tear down
institutions ! not work inside them.
With his return to Breitbart News, Mr. Bannon will be free to lead the kind of ferocious
assault on the political establishment that he relishes, even if sometimes that means turning
his wrath on the White House itself.
Hours after his ouster from the West Wing, he was named to his former position of executive
chairman at the hard-charging right-wing website and led its evening editorial meeting. And Mr.
Bannon appeared eager to move onto his next fight.
"In many ways, I think I can be more effective fighting from the outside for the agenda
President Trump ran on," he said Friday. "And anyone who stands in our way, we will go to war
Among those already in Mr. Bannon's sights: Speaker Paul D. Ryan; Senator Mitch McConnell,
the majority leader; the president's daughter Ivanka Trump and son-in-law, Jared Kushner; and
Gary D. Cohn, the former president of Goldman Sachs who now directs the White House's National
Thanks But No Thanks
Trump thanked Bannon for his help during the campaign, but not for his tenure in the White
I want to thank Steve Bannon for his service. He came to the campaign during my run against
Crooked Hillary Clinton - it was great! Thanks S
The New York Times editorial, Exit Steve
Bannon , gave Banon a swift kick on his way out the door.
Mr. Bannon's exit is, of course, a relief. As the well-financed Pied Piper of the alt-right
Breitbart crowd, Mr. Bannon at the pinnacle of White House policy making was a nightmare come
But Mr. Bannon, who promptly returned to Breitbart as its executive chairman on Friday,
still poses a danger for our broader politics. Outside the White House, he is freer to rally
his forces against anyone who doesn't toe his nationalist-protectionist line. A Bannon-led
right-wing backlash against Mr. Trump, who unleashed the worst impulses of nationalists in
service to himself, would be a fitting comeuppance.
More Fun to Throw Mud
Clearly, it's far more fun to throw mud than have it thrown at you.
Lost in the Bannon and Trump bashing is one key question: Who is really the bigger threat,
Hillary, Trump, or Bannon?
Why We Are Where We Are
We are in this mess because Obamanomics, war-mongering, Fed policies, and social handouts
created a budget mess but did not solve any problems. People revolted, and Trump got
When it comes to trade and protectionism, Trump is wrong. So is Bannon.
We would have a no-fly zone over Syria, had Hillary won. That would have risked a
confrontation with Russia. Hillary wrecked Libya, and of course Obama and Bush had extremely
misguided warmongering policies in the Mideast.
Obamacare was a failure, but no one on either side seems able or willing to fix it.
So here we are, with everything broken, and we still cannot get anything done. Republicans
want more military spending and Democrats want more social spending. Warmongers on both sides
want more war.
Art of Compromise
Compromise in Washington is more military spending and more social spending.
Repetitive "compromises" sent deficits soaring out of sight. On top of it all, the Fed blew
massive bubbles in just about everything.
Problems Too Big and Too Many To Fix
One thing I expect Trump will get right, at least from a public union standpoint, regards
appointments to the supreme court.
Overall, I hoped Trump would do better on many fronts. It was not to be. Trump could not
drain the swamp. Partisan politics interfered, there was too much infighting, and there is
nonsensical Russia bashing on both sides of the aisle.
The problems are too big and too many to fix. If you think Hillary would have fixed them you
Trumptards in full blown aids denial! Fucking morons! The urine faced Messiah owns the
entire US economy because he has publicly stated that the economy is booming DIRECTLY DUE
TO HIS POLICIES! Y'all are delusional stupid Satanists(rather typical for racist
The 50's and 60's are gone, and they are never coming back; neither are manufacturing
jobs you can raise a whole family on. That is the farce of this whole thing. Trump made
many people believe they could, so they voted for him.
I've always been impressed by the irony: All in the Family and Barney Miller telling
us how shitty everything was, when that was the best it was ever gonna be.....well, OK,
it was foreshadowing and some of the writing was on the wall.....women entering the
workforce not as Mary Tyler Moore wanting to, but because the one-income household was
dying (being killed).
Well yeah but in a different sort of way. I was a teenager in the 70's. Music and
Movies were great. Ecoomy sucked. I remember standing in line on odd licesne plates days
to get gas. I remember that idiot Jimmy Carter as President. I remember watching the fall
of Saigon on TV. I remember the "misery index" when mortgage interest and inflation
exceeded 21 percent.
I remember all of that but I also remember being able to drink a beer legally while
driving down the road and DWI were half the occurence you hear about now. Rarely heard of
anything bad happening to kids and the thrill of feeling a girl up and driving around my
truck, working in my Dad's shop.
We didnt have this social justice bullshit and most everyone got along. In my 4 years
of High school I only saw 1 girl that got knocked up and had to have her baby away from
school. My wife told me the schools she visit as part of her job,they have to have a
daycare for the 30-40 some odd babies that need care. Kids have to have these fidget
spinners so they dont get bored in school. Most schools are overrun with 3rd world
central american kids that cant speak english or read, who dont want to be there and who
cant wait to join a gang. Meanwhile they are cussing out and assaulting the teachers who
have to spend half their time babysitting.
We didnt consistently elect sociopaths into elected office
This country had a bad time in then 70's but we are completely fucked now
1913 Treasonous Wilson trumps the 1971 treasoonous Nixon, who both would have been
tyros compared to Hillary. All Quislings can be seen by photograpic display wherever they
hang pictures of presidents, from Lincoln onwards.
All those manufacturing jobs will come back as soon as Americans can figure out how to
live in America on the purchasing power equivalent of $5,000, as manufacturing workers do
in China. This is the natural outcome of a system that regards labor as nothing more than
a cost to be cut.
It's not hard to figure out how to live on 5k. Just eat only rice and live four to a
room. Use a bicycle everywhere you go. Work three jobs, 18 hours per day. Buy one shirt
and wear it for 30 years. No phone, no internet, no a/c, no heat. No medical or dental
care. No pets.
When your reduce this down further, if you are white, you are either a racist (voting
Trump) or a reformed racist carrying massive white guilt for your genetic racist
predisposition AND your white privilege (voting for ANY democrat/socialist).
Oh, and if you procreated using natural biology, you are a homophobic general hater
It's not easy being white, which is sad given that from the black perspective it's not
easy being black either. Tough world.
Could it be the race baiting divisive haters of all mankind that simply want to see us
ALL at our end?
Good stuff. Well not good stuff, but you know what I mean.
Nailed it ..
Identity politics, a term that is generally misleading.
It is MIS-IDENTITY politics, a real life "game" of obfuscation, a way to avoid real
issues of our time, like getting increasingly bent over by centralized everything, avoid
common cause, national interests, a way to "pigeon hole" make separate, divide, water
down, weaken all cultures in order that all peoples, races, colors, creeds, have
something other than the true source of their troubles to blame, in forced compliance and
subserviance to the aims and wishes of said "centralized" power .. and in particular, the
money power, where all manner of shit stirring emanates, and all evil, resides.
So far, it appears to be working extrordinarliy well ..
Yeah, tear down that Robert E Lee statue, that ought to "fix things" right up ..
And lets not forget. It's not just about removing symbols offensive to snowflakes,
it's about demonstrating POWER....that they can DO THIS against all of our
complaints....complaints falling on deaf ears.
I saw this years back with homosexuals. For years they hid their proclivities from the
public eye, but once they were fully outed and it became a cause celebre, they were in
the streets, bare assed chaps, hugging, groping, kissing, NOT because they wanted to do
these things but because they wanted to rub it in the faces of all those they
This is NOT about ideology, it is about POWER, and those wanting power will use any
ideology to get it.
I don't think Trump is a racist. He has a low opinion of some people probably based on
business experiences like rentals. Probably based on income status rather than color -
that's how his brain thinks. And, I agree, if he pulls the plug on Afghanistan that's
good at home, good with Russia/China, bad for CIA/McCain.
Trump took care of Jennifer Hudson when her relatives were brutally murdered. He put
her up for free in his hotel and looked out for her. She took everything he gave her and
was very grateful. Doesn't look rayciss to me.....
People use the word "racist" to denigrate, to minimize and devalue a person as
something lower, less than....the same way people used the word "nigger". Words are used
not only to communicate ideas but to also inflict pain and to dehumanize. Eventually,
this will evolve to the combined use of "racist nigger" and come full circle.
At some point we will just have accept the term HUMAN as a derogatory putdown, but
will probably have to wait for robots to come self aware....but maybe not. There is an
awful lot of self hate going around and the touchy feely people are pushing to extend
human rights to animals, so I fully expect a demotion any day now.
I quite clearly have seen nothing racist about Trump. The MSM has taken incidents and
words out of context with every attempt to make Trump appear racist...but I do not see
it. can you plz post a few explicit examples that bring you to this conclusion? TIA
Sadly, we are not fighting an ideology that can be debated, dissected and analyzed.
What we are fighting is a system of corruption that provides for dependency, and no
amount of logic or proof will drive people away from their meal ticket. Further, we have
suffered generations of self hatred and guilt ridden indoctrination that literally
dissolves the stiffened spine.
They have spent many years preaching to blacks that trying to get ahead was useless in
a white man's world and telling the whites that they were responsible for the universal
ills of the world. And we wonder why we are now here.
If our government were actually the parents they claim to be, they would be in jail
for child abuse.
Only problem is that President Trump is Teflon. Nothing will stick. The anit-trumpites
hate Trump but that's all they know. President Trump did not create any of our nation's
problems. The DO-NOTHING Congress is going to take the fall.
As disgusting as it is for me to say, once elected we are of no value to Trump's
agenda beyond the threat of civil disobedience we represent if he is ever forcibly
removed. we can HOPE for a chance to vote against for some lesser evil, but those choices
are narrowing quickly. We COULD react financially, effectively boycotting those financial
elements most directly working towards Trump's demise, but those financial consequences
would be blamed upon Trump, upon his failure of leadership.
Unfortunately for those of us who have preached nonviolence for years, I think we have
always known it would come to this, and I believe it is a losing hand, because I believe
it is what they always actually wanted.
Conservatives, even those simply defending the constitution, will (and currently ARE)
branded as terrorists, and the full force of this corrupt government will come to bear.
It will be the end of more than just our constitution....much more.
But we do have the threat of violence, and for some that might be enough for Trump to
stay in place, but do not underestimate the hopes and desires of the evil fucks who want
to control it ALL. Let us hope that violence does NOT break out from the conservative
side, because it will be the end.
August 19, 2017 by
Yves Smith Yves here.
This is a well-argued debunking of various "evil Rooskie" claims and is very much worth circulating.
Stunningly, there actually are people asserting that white supremacists and the figurative and now
literal hot fights over Confederate symbols (remember that Confederate flags have been a big controversy
too?) are part of a Russian plot. Help me. Fortunately their views don't seem to have gotten traction
outside the fever-swamp corners of the Twitterverse.
Author Kovalev's bottom line: When you are doing the same thing Putin and his propaganda machine
does, you're doing something wrong.
By Alexey Kovalev, an independent journalist living and working in Moscow. Follow him on Twitter:
@Alexey__Kovalev. Originally published at
On 11-12 August, violent clashes erupted between the far-right Unite the Right movement and anti-fascist
counter-protesters in Charlottesville, Virginia. One woman died when an alleged neo-Nazi sympathizer
rammed a car into a crowd of counter-protesters. There were numerous injuries and a major national
crisis erupted in the United States resulting from and inspired by the rapid rise of white nationalist,
neo-Nazi and other similar sentiments far to the right of the political spectrum.
As it often happens these days, numerous people on Twitter immediately jumped in, pitching the
so-called "hot takes" -- rapid, hastily weaved together series of tweets with often
outlandish theories of what really happened. These instant experts, who have come to prominence in
the wake of the Trump presidency, have carved out a niche for themselves by taking the most tangential
or non-existent connection to anything Russian and "connecting the dots" or "just asking questions".
The most egregious example is
Louise Mensch , a former UK conservative pundit (and sometime MP) now residing in the US. Mensch
most extreme example of a Twitter-age conspiracy-mongering populist . But there are other people,
with more credible credentials, who are also prone to demanding that "ties with Russia" (via individuals,
events and institutions) be investigated.
Immediately following the events in Charlottesville, the writer and consultant
and Jim Ludes of
the Pell Center , among others, chimed in with their "hot takes", repeating each other almost
word for word: "We need to closely examine the links between the American alt-right and Russia."
These particular expressions ("links between X and Russia", "ties with Russia", "Russian connections"
or "close to Putin/Russian government") are, essentially, weasel words, expressions so elastic that
they could mean anything -- from actively collaborating with senior Russian officials
and secretly accepting large donations from to the vaguest, irrelevant connections mentioned simply
for the sake of name-dropping Russia in an attempt to farm for more clicks.
Almost every person of Russian origin involved in the Trump drama is "Putin-connected", although
in Russia that definition only applies to a tiny power circle of trusted aides and advisors, a select
group of oligarchs running state-owned enterprises and close personal friends from before Putin's
presidency. The exaggerated tone of reporting often suggests something more far-reaching, coordinated
and sinister than a loose collection of unconnected factoids.
So, what do "links between the American alt-right and Russia" actually mean? Much of the allegations
of American alt-right's "collusion" with Putin's regime rely on the fact that Richard Spencer, a
divisive figure in this already quite loose movement, was
once married to a woman of Russian origin , Nina Kupriyanova. Their current marital status is
unclear and, frankly, irrelevant. Kupriyanova, a scholar of Russian and Soviet history with a PhD
from the University of Toronto, is also a follower of Alexander Dugin, a larger-than-life figure
in contemporary Russian media and politics. Because of Dugin's outsized presence in the western media
where he is often, and quite erroneously, presented as "Putin's mastermind" or "Putin's Bannon",
this connection is often enough to be declared the
smoking gun in the crowdsourced investigation .
Dugin has been many things to many people over his decades-long, zig-zagging career as an underground
occult practitioner in the Soviet years: philosopher, lecturer, one of the founding fathers of a
radical movement, public intellectual, flamboyant media personality. But he is not a "Putin advisor"
and never has been. Although Dugin is a vocal fan of the Russian president, has repeatedly professed
his loyalty to Putin and has orbited the halls of Russian power for more than a decade, he hasn't
accumulated enough influence to even keep a stable job.
In 2014, Dugin was fired from his position as a guest lecturer at the department of sociology
of Moscow State University. Students and academic staff had complained for years about the "anti-scientific,
obscurantist" atmosphere Dugin had created within the department (one petition filed by the students
mentions Dugin "performing extrasensory experiments" on them during lectures). But the final straw
was Dugin's interview where
he agitated to "kill, kill, kill" Ukrainians in June 2014 -- the early stages
of Russia's war campaign in Ukraine. Both Dugin and his patron, the dean of the sociology department,
were promptly fired after a major media scandal.
Later, Dugin was quite
unceremoniously removed from his position as a host on Tsargrad TV -- a right-wing,
reactionary private network funded by "Orthodox oligarch" Konstantin Malofeyev and launched with
the help of a former Fox News executive. All mentions of Dugin's show on Tsargrad simply disappeared
from the network's website.
Although Richard Spencer's own writings for his Radix Journal do have visible Dugin inspirations,
it's inconceivable that Dugin has any significant influence on the American right. His teachings
are just too eclectic, esoteric and over-intellectualised for an average American neo-Nazi who just
wants to see more white faces around him. In fact, Dugin's overarching idea of "Eurasianism" goes
against the grain of "keeping America white and ethnically pure": at its core is an obscure early
20th century Orientalist school of thought which accentuated Russia's civilisational continuity with
Mongolian and Turkic ancestors, as opposed to the spiritually alien West.
Russia's conservatives of all shades of right have indeed been long cultivating links with their
brethren to the west of Moscow -- well before Putin appeared on the scene. These
have been well documented by scholars of the far right such as
Anton Shekhovtsov . After Putin's onslaught
in Ukraine, Russia, in dire need of new allies,
intensified efforts to strengthen those links .
In the latter case, the dynamic is reversed: it's not Russia influencing the West and exporting
its values, but vice versa. It's Russia's parliamentary ultra-conservatives like
Yelena Mizulina (now a senator) who have been inspired and supported by the American religious
Russia's last public attempt to unite the European and American far-right ended in a
major media scandal in early 2015 when the "International Russian Conservative Forum" in Saint
Petersburg was widely criticised in the press. The forum's Russian official supporters from the "traditionalist"
Rodina (Motherland) party allied with the ruling United Russia were forced to withdraw their endorsement,
and no further attempts to organise the forum have been made. Propaganda outlets like RT are quietly
shedding commentators with far-right sympathies like Manuel Ochsenreiter or Richard Spencer mentioned
above in an attempt to cleanse their image as a safe haven for Holocaust deniers and white power
enthusiasts. Only a couple of days after Charlottesville, Russian authorities
banned The Daily Stormer, a virulently anti-Semitic "alt-right" website, which had temporarily
sought refuge on Russian web space after having been refused service in the US.
There is little to no evidence that any of the above had anything to do with the tragic events
in Charlottesville. The resurgence of murderous, hateful ideologies in the United States is a home-grown
issue. Young men with identical haircuts and matching, uniform-like attires chanting "Blood and soil
-- " in the streets of American cities are inspired and influenced by many things, but a bearded
Russian mystic is hardly one of them. Attempting to explain internal strife in your country by "Russian
influences", hastily put together disjointed and exaggerated phenomena, is intellectually lazy. It
distracts from getting to the root of the problem by offering quick, easy answers to complicated
Ironically, it's also a very Putin thing to do. Explaining Russia's internal issues by blaming
the West's machinations is the Russian president's shtick. When you find yourself doing the same
thing Putin and his propaganda machine does, you're doing it wrong.
Mr. Bannon's disdain for General McMaster also accelerated his demise. The war veteran
has never quite clicked with the president, but other West Wing staff members recoiled at a
series of smears against General McMaster by internet allies of Mr. Bannon.
The strategist denied involvement, but he also did not speak out against them.
By the time Charlottesville erupted, Mr. Kushner and Ms. Trump had a powerful ally in Mr.
Kelly, who shared their belief that Mr. Trump's first statement blaming "many sides" for the
deadly violence needed to be amended.
Mr. Bannon vigorously objected. He told Mr. Kelly that if Mr. Trump delivered a second, more
contrite statement it would do him no good, with either the public or the Washington press
corps, which he denigrated as a "Pretorian guard" protecting the Democrats' consensus that Mr.
Trump is a race-baiting demagogue. Mr. Trump could grovel, beg for forgiveness, even get down
on his knees; it would never work, Mr. Bannon maintained.
"They're going to say two things: It's too late and it's not enough," Mr. Bannon told Mr.
The article went on to say that McMaster has "troubling views" on Islamic terrorism.
The site also published two articles Sunday critical of Ivanka. One of them is an
aggregate of a Daily Mail report that claimed Ivanka helped push Bannon out of the White House.
Shortly after the story was published, the article received an update that said a White House senior
aide stated the Daily Mail report is "totally false."
Breitbart also wrote a
piece that highlighted six times Ivanka and her husband Jared Kushner's displeasure with President
Trump had been leaked to the media.
Bannon said in interviews after his departure from the White House that he will use Breitbart
to fight for the president's agenda.
"In many ways, I think I can be more effective fighting from the outside for the agenda President
Trump ran on," Bannon told
The New York Times . "And anyone who stands in our way, we will go to war with."
The USA started to imitate post-Maydan Ukraine: another war with statues... "Identity
politics" flourishing in some unusual areas like history of the country. Which like in
Ukraine is pretty divisive.
McAuliffe was co-chairman of Hillary Clinton's 2008 presidential campaign, and was one of her superdelegates
at the 2008 Democratic National Convention.
"... The thrust appears to be to undercut components of his base while ratcheting up indignation. WaPo and the Times dribble out salacious "news" stories that, often as not, are substance free but written in a hyperbolic style that assumes a kind of intrinsic Trump guilt and leaps from there. They know better. No doubt they rationalize this as meeting kind with kind. ..."
"... It reminds me of the coverage in the run up to Nixon's resignation. Except this one's on steroids. I believe the DC folks fully expect Trump to be removed and now are focusing on the strategy that accrues the maximum benefit to their party. Unfortunately, things strongly favor the Democrats. ..."
"... Democrats want to drag this out as long as possible and enjoy the chipping away at segments of the Republican base while the Republicans want to clear the path before the midterms. However, the Republican officials, much as many or most can't stand Trump, have to weave a thin line because taking action against Trump would kill them in the primaries and possibly in the general. ..."
"... So the Democrats are licking their chops and hoping this can continue until the midterms with the expectation they will then control Congress. ..."
"... Some of you still don't get it. Trump isn't our last chance. Its your last chance. Yet still so many of you oxygen thieves still insist RUSSIA is the reason Hillary lost. You guys are going to agitate your way into a CW because you can't accept you lost. Many of you agitating are fat, slow, and stupid, with no idea how to survive. ..."
"... From day one after the unexpected (for the punditry class and their media coherts) elections results everybody was piling on Trump. The stories abound about his Russia Collusion (after one year of investigation not even a smoke signal) or his narcistic attitudes (mind you LeeG Trump always addresses people as We where as Humble Obama always addresses in the first person). ..."
"... I get this feeling the Swamp doesn't want a President who will at least try to do something for the American people rather than promises (Remember Hope and Change ala Obama, he got the Change quite a bit of it for him and his Banker Pals from what is left of the treasury and we the people are left with Hope). ..."
"... Someone on the last thread said in a very elegant way that what binds us Americans together is one thing, economic opportunity for all. I believe that was Trump's election platform, with the "for all" emphasized frequently. ..."
"... There is quite the precedent for the media treating trump as they do, Putin has been treated quite similarly, as well as any other politician the media cars disagree with [neocons/neolibs]... ..."
"... I think, during the election campaign, the negative media coverage may have well be a boon to him. Anyone who listened to the media, and then actually turned up at a Trump rally to see for himself, immediately got the idea that the media is full of shit. I think this won Trump a fair number of converts. ..."
"... But I think by now they are just over the top. It almost reminds me of Soviet denunciations of old communists who have fallen out of favor. ..."
"... The one clear thing is that there is a coup attempt to get rid of Donald Trump led by globalist media and supra-national corporate intelligence agents. Charlottesville may well be due to the total incompetence of the democratic governor and mayor. ..."
"... On the other hand, the razing of Confederate Memorials started in democrat controlled New Orleans and immediately spread to Baltimore. This is purposeful like blaming Russia for losing the 2016 election. ..."
"... The unrest here at home is due to the forever wars, outsourcing jobs, tax cuts for the wealthy and austerity. Under stress societies revert to their old beliefs and myths. John Brennon, Lindsey Graham, John McCain, George Soros and Pierre Omidyar are scorpions; they can't help themselves. After regime change was forced on Iraq, Libya, Syria and Ukraine; a color revolution has been ignited here in the USA; damn the consequences. We are the only ones that can stop it by pointing out what is really happening. ..."
"... What I see in my Democrat dominated county is that the blue collar folks are noting this overt coup attempt and while they didn't vote for Trump are beginning to become sympathetic towards him. I sense this is in part due to the massive mistrust of the MSM and the political establishment who are viewed as completely self-serving. ..."
"... I read a transcript of the entirety of Trump's news conference upon which CBS and others are basing their claims that Trump is "defending white supremacists," and at no point did he come within hand grenade distance of doing anything of the sort. What he did do is accuse the left wing group of being at fault along with the right wing group in causing the violence, and he did not even claim that they were equally at fault. ..."
"... There is no doubt whatever that his statement was entirely accurate, if in no other respect in that the left's decision to engage in proximate confrontation was certain to cause violence and was, in fact, designed to do so regardless of who threw the first punch. CBS and other media of its caliber are completely avoiding mentioning that aspect of the confrontation. ..."
"... CBS et. al. have been touting the left's possession of not one but two permits for public assembly, but they carefully do not point out that the permits were for two areas well removed from the area where the conflict occurred, and that they did not have a permit to assemble in that area. ..."
"... The media is flailing with the horror of Trump's advocacy of racial division, but it is the Democratic Party which has for more than a decade pursued the policy of "identity politics," and the media which has prated endlessly about "who will get the black vote" or "how Hispanics will vote" in every election. ..."
"... As a firm believer in the media efforts to sabotage Trump and a former supporter (now agnostic, trending negative - Goldman Sachs swamp creatures in the Oval Office????), he greatly disappointed me. First, i will state, that I do not believe Trump is antisemitic (no antisemite will surround himself with rich Jewish Bankers). ..."
"... It doesn't matter whether Trump is getting a raw deal or not. Politics has nothing to do with fairness. ..."
"... But when you've lost Bob Corker, and even Newt Gingrich is getting wobbly, when Fox News is having a hard time finding Republicans willing to go on and defend Trump, you don't need to be Nostradamus to see what's going to happen. ..."
The media, and political elite, pile on is precisely what I expect. The chattering political classes
have converged on the belief that Trump is not only incompetent, but dangerous. And his few allies
are increasingly uncertain of their future.
The thrust appears to be to undercut components of his base while ratcheting up indignation.
WaPo and the Times dribble out salacious "news" stories that, often as not, are substance free
but written in a hyperbolic style that assumes a kind of intrinsic Trump guilt and leaps from
there. They know better. No doubt they rationalize this as meeting kind with kind. Trump
is the epitome of the salesman that believes he can sell anything to anyone with the right pitch.
Reporters that might normally be restrained by actual facts and a degree of fairness simply are
no longer so constrained.
It reminds me of the coverage in the run up to Nixon's resignation. Except this one's on
steroids. I believe the DC folks fully expect Trump to be removed and now are focusing on the
strategy that accrues the maximum benefit to their party. Unfortunately, things strongly favor
Democrats want to drag this out as long as possible and enjoy the chipping away at segments
of the Republican base while the Republicans want to clear the path before the midterms. However,
the Republican officials, much as many or most can't stand Trump, have to weave a thin line because
taking action against Trump would kill them in the primaries and possibly in the general.
So the Democrats are licking their chops and hoping this can continue until the midterms
with the expectation they will then control Congress. After that they will happily dispatch
Trump with some discovered impeachable crime. At that point it won't be hard to get enough Republicans
to go along.
The Republicans can only hope to convince Trump to resign well prior to the midterms. They
hope they won't have to go on record with a vote and get nailed in the elections.
In the meantime the country is going to go through hell.
Yes, we are staring into the depths and the abyss has begun to take note of us. BTW the US
was put back together after the CW/WBS on the basis of an understanding that the Confederates
would accept the situation and the North would not interfere with their cultural rituals.
There was a general amnesty for former Confederates in the 1870s and a number of them became
US senators, Consuls General overseas and state governors.
That period of attempted reconciliation has now ended. Who can imagine the "Gone With the Win"
Pulitzer and Best Picture of the Year now? pl
Some of you still don't get it. Trump isn't our last chance. Its your last chance. Yet still
so many of you oxygen thieves still insist RUSSIA is the reason Hillary lost. You guys are going
to agitate your way into a CW because you can't accept you lost. Many of you agitating are fat,
slow, and stupid, with no idea how to survive.
I totally disagree with you LeeG. From day one after the unexpected (for the punditry class
and their media coherts) elections results everybody was piling on Trump. The stories abound about
his Russia Collusion (after one year of investigation not even a smoke signal) or his narcistic
attitudes (mind you LeeG Trump always addresses people as We where as Humble Obama always addresses
in the first person).
I get this feeling the Swamp doesn't want a President who will at least try to do something
for the American people rather than promises (Remember Hope and Change ala Obama, he got the Change
quite a bit of it for him and his Banker Pals from what is left of the treasury and we the people
are left with Hope). I hope he will succeed but I learnt that we will always be left with
That last tweet is from the Green Party candidate for VP. Those are just a few examples from
a quick Google search before I get back to work. Those of you with more disposable time will surely
Someone on the last thread said in a very elegant way that what binds us Americans together
is one thing, economic opportunity for all. I believe that was Trump's election platform, with
the "for all" emphasized frequently.
I believe Charlottsville was a staged catalyst to bring about Trump's downfall, there
seems now to be a "full-court press" against him. If he survives this latest attempt, I'll be
both surprised and in awe of his political skills. If he doesn't survive I'll (and many others,
no matter the "legality of the process") will consider it a coup d'etat and start to think of
a different way to prepare for the future.
There is quite the precedent for the media treating trump as they do, Putin has been treated
quite similarly, as well as any other politician the media cars disagree with [neocons/neolibs]...
I think, during the election campaign, the negative media coverage may have well be a boon
to him. Anyone who listened to the media, and then actually turned up at a Trump rally to see
for himself, immediately got the idea that the media is full of shit. I think this won Trump a
fair number of converts.
But I think by now they are just over the top. It almost reminds me of Soviet denunciations
of old communists who have fallen out of favor.
As far as statue removal goes: There should be legal ways of deciding such things democratically.
There should also be the possibility of relocating the statues in question. I imagine that there
should be plenty of private properties who are willing to host these statues on their land.
This should be quite soundly protected by the US constitution.
That these monuments got, iirc, erected long after the war is nothing unusual. Same is true
for monuments to the white army, of which there are now a couple in Russia.
As far as the civil war goes, my sympathies lie with the Union, I would not be, more then a
100 years after the war, be averse to monuments depicting the common Confederate Soldier.
I can understand the statue toppler somewhat. If someone would place a Bandera statue in my surroundings,
I would try to wreck it. I may be willing to tolerate a Petljura statue, probably a also Wrangel
or Denikin statue, but not a Vlassov or Shuskevich statue.
Imho Lees "wickedness", historically speaking, simply isn't anything extraordinary.
Col., thank you for this comment. I grew up in the "North" and recall the centenary of the Civil
War as featured in _Life_ magazine. I was fascinated by the history, the uniforms and the composition
of the various armies as well as their arms. I would add to that the devastating use of grapeshot.
I knew the biographies of the various generals on both sides and their relative effectiveness.
I would urge others to read Faulkner's _Intruder in the Dust_ to gain some understanding of the
Reconstruction and carpetbagging.
I believe the choice to remove the monument as opposed to some other measure, such as the bit
of history you offer, was highly incendiary. I also find it interesting that the ACLU is taking
up their case in regard to free-speech:
I was living in Chicago when the Skokie protest occurred.
"They came to Charlottesville to do harm. They came armed and were looking for a fight."
I agree. This means Governor McAuliffe failed in his duty to the people of the Commonwealth
and so did the Mayor of Charlottesville and the senior members of the police forces present in
the city. Congradulations to the alt-left.
They - the left - previously came to DC to do harm - on flag day no less. Namely the Bernie
Bro James Hodgkinson, domestic terrorist, who attempted to assasinate Steve Scalise and a number
of other elected representatives. The left did not denounce him nor his cause. Sadly they did
not even denounce the people who actually betrayed him - those who rigged the Democratic primary:
Donna Brazile and Debbie Wasserman-Schultz.
The one clear thing is that there is a coup attempt to get rid of Donald Trump led by globalist
media and supra-national corporate intelligence agents. Charlottesville may well be due to the
total incompetence of the democratic governor and mayor.
On the other hand, the razing of Confederate Memorials started in democrat controlled New
Orleans and immediately spread to Baltimore. This is purposeful like blaming Russia for losing
the 2016 election.
The protestors on both divides were organized and spoiling for a fight.
The unrest here at home is due to the forever wars, outsourcing jobs, tax cuts for the
wealthy and austerity. Under stress societies revert to their old beliefs and myths. John Brennon,
Lindsey Graham, John McCain, George Soros and Pierre Omidyar are scorpions; they can't help themselves.
After regime change was forced on Iraq, Libya, Syria and Ukraine; a color revolution has been
ignited here in the USA; damn the consequences. We are the only ones that can stop it by pointing
out what is really happening.
It seems to me that this brouhaha may work in Trump's favor. The more different things they accuse
Trump of (without evidence), the more diluted their message becomes.
I think the Borg's collective hysteria can be explained by the "unite the right" theme of the
Charlottesville Rally. A lot of Trump supporters are very angry, and if they start marching next
to people who are carrying signs that blame "the Jews" for America's problems, then anti-Zionist
(or even outright anti-Semitic) thinking might start to go mainstream. The Borg would do well
to work to address the Trump supporters legitimate grievances. There are a number of different
ways that things might get very ugly if they don't. Unfortunately the establishment just wants
to heap abuse on the Trump supporters and I think that approach is myopic.
There will always be an outrage du jour for the NeverTrumpers. The Jake Tapper, Rachel Maddow,
Morning Joe & Mika ain't gonna quit. And it seems it's ratings gold for them. Of course McCain
and his office wife and the rest of the establishment crew also have to come out to ring the obligatory
bell and say how awful Trump's tweet was.
What I see in my Democrat dominated county is that the blue collar folks are noting this
overt coup attempt and while they didn't vote for Trump are beginning to become sympathetic towards
him. I sense this is in part due to the massive mistrust of the MSM and the political establishment
who are viewed as completely self-serving.
It is illegal in the Commonwealth of Virginia to wear a mask that covers one's face in most public
LEOs in Central Va encountered this exact requirement when a man in a motorcycle helmet entered
a Walmart on Rt 29 in 2012. Several customers reported him to 911 because they believed him to
being acting suspiciously. He was detained in Albemarle County and was eventually submitted for
mental health evaluation.
This is not a law that Charlottesville police would be unfamiliar with.
"As for Antifa, it's a minuscule fringe of the Left, just as its predecessors were. "It's a major
gift to the Right, including the militant Right, who are exuberant."
"what they do is often wrong in principle – like blocking talks – and [the movement] is generally
"When confrontation shifts to the arena of violence, it's the toughest and most brutal who
win – and we know who that is. That's quite apart from the opportunity costs – the loss of the
opportunity for education, organizing, and serious and constructive activism."
I read a transcript of the entirety of Trump's news conference upon which CBS and others are basing
their claims that Trump is "defending white supremacists," and at no point did he come within
hand grenade distance of doing anything of the sort. What he did do is accuse the left wing group
of being at fault along with the right wing group in causing the violence, and he did not even
claim that they were equally at fault.
There is no doubt whatever that his statement was entirely accurate, if in no other respect
in that the left's decision to engage in proximate confrontation was certain to cause violence
and was, in fact, designed to do so regardless of who threw the first punch. CBS and other media
of its caliber are completely avoiding mentioning that aspect of the confrontation.
CBS et. al. have been touting the left's possession of not one but two permits for public assembly,
but they carefully do not point out that the permits were for two areas well removed from the
area where the conflict occurred, and that they did not have a permit to assemble in that area.
A pundit on CBS claimed that "if they went" to the park in question, which of course they did,
"they would not have been arrested because it was a public park." He failed to mention that large
groups still are required to have a permit to assemble in a public park.
The media is flailing with the horror of Trump's advocacy of racial division, but it is the
Democratic Party which has for more than a decade pursued the policy of "identity politics," and
the media which has prated endlessly about "who will get the black vote" or "how Hispanics will
vote" in every election.
Lars, but they came with a legal permit to protest and knew what they would be facing. The anti-protestors
including ANTIFA had a large number of people being paid to be there and funded by Soros and were
there illegally. The same mechanisms were in place to ramp up protests like in Ferguson which
were violent and this response was no different.
However, the Virginia Governor a crony of the Clintons, ordered a police stand down and no
effort was made to separate the groups. I remind you also that open carry is legal in Virginia.
So, IMHO this was deliberately set up for a lethal confrontation by the people on the left.
I will also remind you that the American Nazi Party and the American Communist Party among others,
are perfectly legal in the US as is the KKK. Believing and saying what you want, no matter how
offensive, is legal under the First Amendment. Actively discriminating against someone is not
legal but speech is. Say what you want but that is the Constitution.
Your last paragraph is a suitably Leftist post-modern ideological oversimplification of an
infinitely complex phenomenon. It also reveals a great deal of what motivates the SJW Left:
" As for the notion that this is a 'cultural issue', I quote: 'Whenever I hear the word
culture, I reach for my revolver.' 'Culture' is the means by which some people oppress others.
It's much like 'civilization' or 'ethics' or 'morality' - a tool to beat people over the head
who have something you want. "
First, it is a cultural issue. It's an issue between people who accept this culture as a necessary
but flawed, yet incrementally improvable structure for carrying out a relatively peaceful existence
among one another, and those whose grudging, bitter misanthropy has led them to the conclusion
that the whole thing isn't fair (i.e. easy) so fuck it, burn it all down. In no uncertain terms,
this is the ethos driving the radical Left.
Second, I don't know exactly which culture created you, but I'm fairly sure it was a western
liberal democracy, as I'm fairly certain is the case with almost all Leftists these days, regardless
of how radical. And I'm also fairly certain the culture you decry is the western liberal democratic
culture in its current iterations. But before you or anyone else lights the fuse on that, remember
that the very culture you want to burn down because it's so loathsome, that's the thing that gave
you that shiny device you use to connect with the world, it's the thing that taught you how to
articulate your thoughts into written and spoken word, so that you could then go out and bitch
about it, and it even lets you bitch about it, freely and with no consequences. This "civilization"
is the thing that gives rise to the "morals" and "ethics" that allow you to take your shiny gadgets
to a coffee shop, where the barista makes your favorite beverage, instead of simply smashing you
over the head and taking your shiny gadgets because he wants them. These principles didn't arise
out of thin air, and neither did you, me, or anyone else. This culture is an agreed-upon game
that most of us play to ensure we stand a chance at getting though this with as little suffering
as possible. It's not perfect, but it works better than anything else I've seen in history.
In his inimitable fashion, I'll grant Tyler (and the Colonel, as well) the creditable foresight
to call this one. Those of you who find yourselves wishing, hoping, agitating, and activisting
for an overturn of the election result, and/or of traditional American culture in general would
do well to take their warnings seriously.
If traditional American culture is so deeply and irredeemably corrupt, I must ask, what's your
alternative? And how do you mean to install it? I would at least like to know that. Regardless
of your answer to question one, if your answer to question two is "revolution", well then you
and anyone else on that wagon better be prepared to suffer, and to increase many fold the overall
quotient of human suffering in the world. Because that's what it will take.
You want your revolution, but you also want your Wi-Fi to keep working.
You want your revolution, but you also want your hybrid car.
You want your revolution, but you also want your safe spaces, such as your bed when you sleep
If you think you can manage all that by way of shouting down, race baiting, character assassinating,
and social shaming, without bearing the great burden of suffering that all revolutions entail,
you have bitter days ahead. And there are literally millions of Americans who will oppose you
along the way. And unlike the kulaks when the Bolsheviks rode into town, they see you coming
and they're ready for you. And if you insist on taking it as far as you can, it won't be pretty,
and it won't be cinematic. Just a lot of tragedy for everyone involved. But one side will win,
and my guess is it'll be the guys like Tyler. It's not my desire or aim to see any of that happen.
It's just how I see things falling out on their current trajectory.
The situation calls to mind a quote from a black radical, spoken-word group from Harlem who
were around in the early to mid 60s, called the Last Poets. The line goes, "Speak not of revolution
until you are willing to eat rats to survive." Just something to think about when you advocate
burning it all down.
Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffe (D) has added his name to a growing list of public officials
in state governments encouraging the removal of Confederate statues and memorials throughout the
South. Late in the day on Wednesday McAuliffe released an official statement saying monuments
of Confederate leaders have now become "flashpoints for hatred, division and violence" in a reference
to the weekend of violence which shook Charlottesville as white nationalists rallied against the
city's planned removal of a Robert E. Lee statue. McAuliffe further described the monuments as
"a barrier to progress" and appealed to state and local governments to take action. The governor
As we attempt to heal and learn from the tragic events in Charlottesville, I encourage Virginia's
localities and the General Assembly – which are vested with the legal authority – to take down
these monuments and relocate them to museums or more appropriate settings. I hope we can all now
agree that these symbols are a barrier to progress, inclusion and equality in Virginia and, while
the decision may not be mine to make...
It seems the push for monument removal is now picking up steam, with cities like Baltimore
simply deciding to act briskly while claiming anti-racism and concern for public safety. Of course,
the irony in all this is that the White nationalist and supremacist groups which showed up in
force at Charlottesville and which are even now planning a major protest in Lexington, Kentucky,
are actually themselves likely hastening the removal of these monuments through their repugnant
racial ideology, symbols, and flags.
Bishop James Dukes, a pastor at Liberation Christian Center located on Chicago's south side,
is demanding that the city of Chicago re-dedicate two parks in the area that are named after former
presidents George Washington and Andrew Jackson. His reasons? Dukes says that monuments honoring
men who owned slaves have no place in the black community, even if those men once led the free
Salve, Publius. Thanks for the article. Col. Lang made an excellent point in the comments' section
that the Confederate memorials represent the reconciliation between the North and the South. The
same argument is presented in a lengthier fashion in this morning's TAC
. That reconciliation could have been handled much better, i.e. without endorsing Jim Crow. I
wish more monuments were erected to commemorate Longstreet and Cleburne, JB Hood and Hardee. I
wish there was more Lee and less Forrest. Nonetheless, the important historical point is that
a national reconciliation occurred. Removing the statues is a symbolic act which undoes the national
reconciliation. The past which is being erased is not the Civil War but the civil peace which
followed it. That is tragic.
IMO, most of the problems majority of people (specially the ruling class) have with Donald Trump'
presidency is that, he acts and is an accidental president, Ironically, everybody including, him,
possibly you, and me who voted for him knows this and is not willing to take his presidency serious
and act as such. IMO, he happens to run for president, when the country, due to setbacks and defeat
on multiple choice wars, as well as national economic misfortunes and misshapes, including mass
negligence of working class, was in dismay and a big social divide, as of the result, majority
decided to vote for some one outside of familiar cemented in DC ruling class knowing he is not
qualified and is a BS artist. IMO that is what took place, which at the end of the day, ends of
to be same.
" Removing the statues is a symbolic act which undoes the national reconciliation."
That is the intent. The coalition of urban and coastal ethnic populists and economic elites
has been for increased concentration and expansion of federal power at the expense of the states,
especially the Southern states, for generations. This wave of agitprop with NGO and MSM backing
is intended to undo the constitutional election and return the left to power at the federal level.
I agree with most of Trump's policy positions, but he is negating these positions with his out-of-control
mouth and tweets.
As much as I have nothing but contempt and loathing for the "establishment" (Dems, Republicans,
especially the media, the "intelligence" community and the rest of the permanent government),
Trump doesn't seem to comprehend that he can't get anything done without taming some of these
elements, all of whom are SERIOUSLY opposed to him as a threat to their sinecures and riches.
"Who is this OUTSIDER to come in and think that he in charge of OUR government?"
-"Trump isnt our last chance. Its your last chance."
Reminds me of the 60's and the SDS and their ilk. A large part of the under 30 crowd idolized
Mao's Little Red Book and convinced themselves the "revolution" was imminent. So many times I
heard the phrase "Up Against the Wall, MFs." Stupid fools. Back then people found each other by
"teach-ins" and the so called "underground press." In those days it took a larger fraction to
be able to blow in each other's ear and convince themselves they were the future "vanguard."
These days, with the internet, it is far easier for a smaller fraction to gravitate to an echo
chamber, reinforce group think, and believe their numbers are much larger than what, in reality,
exists. This happens across the board. It's a rabbit hole Tyler. Don't go down it.
Yes, Forts Bragg, Hood, Lee, AP Hill, Benning, etc., started as temporary camps during WW1
and were so named to encourage Southern participation in the war. The South had been reluctant
about the Spanish War. Wade Hampton, governor of SC said of that war, "Let the North fight. the
South knows the cost of war." pl
I would like to share my viewpoint. As a firm believer in the media efforts to sabotage Trump
and a former supporter (now agnostic, trending negative - Goldman Sachs swamp creatures in the
Oval Office????), he greatly disappointed me. First, i will state, that I do not believe Trump
is antisemitic (no antisemite will surround himself with rich Jewish Bankers).
But violence on all sides is absolute BS. Nazi violence gets its own sentence and language at least as strong as the language he has
no trouble hitting ISIS with. Didn't hear that. So I guess in his mind, the threat the US faced
from Nazis during WW2 was less than a ragtag, 3rd world guerilla force whose only successes are
because of 1. US, Saudi, and other weapons, and their war on unstable third world countries. Give
me a break - did he never watch a John Wayne movie as a kid?
When I discuss nazi's, F-bombs are dropped. I support the right of nazi's to march and spew
their vitriolic hatred, and even more strongly support the right of free speech to counter their
filth with facts and arguments and history.
I am sorry, but Antifa was not fighting against the
US in WW2. If one wants to critique Antifa, or another group, that criticism belongs in a separate
paragraph or better in another press conference. Taking 2 days to do so, and then walking it back,
is the hallmark of a political idiot (or a billionaire who listens to no one and lives in his
own mental echo chamber).
If Trump gets his info and opinions from TV news, despite having the $80+ billion US Intel
system at his beck and call, he is the largest idiot on the planet.
It doesn't matter whether Trump is getting a raw deal or not. Politics has nothing to do with
But when you've lost Bob Corker, and even Newt Gingrich is getting wobbly, when Fox News is
having a hard time finding Republicans willing to go on and defend Trump, you don't need to be
Nostradamus to see what's going to happen.
"... Former CIA chief John Brennan said Trump's comments on racial violence were a "national security risk". ..."
"... The enthusiasm for whipping up the new anti-Trump campaign seems due in large part because the erstwhile Russia-gate story has patently failed to gain any traction. For nearly seven months since Trump's inauguration, the relentless claims pushed by Democrats, the media and anonymous intelligence sources that his election last November was enabled by Russian interference have shown little impact in terms of discrediting Trump and ultimately forcing him out of the White House. The Russia-gate theme has failed in its soft coup objective. ..."
"... It is relevant that Wikileaks editor Julian Assange has consistently denied US intelligence and media claims that his source was Russian hackers. Also, former British ambassador Craig Murray has confirmed that he knows the identity of the source for Wikileaks and that, as the dissenting veteran US intelligence people have assessed, the information was leaked, not hacked. ..."
"... In sum, the Russia-gate story that the US Deep State and media have peddled non-stop for seven months is on its knees gasping for lack of credibility. ..."
"... Not only that, but now technical details and expert analysis are emerging from credible former US intelligence personnel who are verifying that the Russia-gate story is indeed a hoax. ..."
"... The imminent death of the Russia-gate "scandal" is giving way to the next orchestrated campaign to oust Trump in the form of allegations that the president is a "Neo-Nazi sympathizer". ..."
August 18, 2017 " Information Clearing House " - The political
opponents of President Trump have found a new lever for sabotaging his presidency – his
alleged embrace of white supremacists and Neo-Nazis. He is now being labelled a "sympathizer"
of fascists and bringing America's international image into disrepute. Cue the impeachment
Notably, the same power-nexus that opposed Trump from the very outset of his presidency is
vociferously condemning his alleged racist leanings. Pro-Democrat media like the Washington
Post, New York Times and CNN can't give enough coverage to Trump "the racist", while the
intelligence community and Pentagon have also weighed in to rebuke the president. Former CIA
chief John Brennan said Trump's comments on racial violence were a "national security
This is not meant to minimize the ugliness of the various Neo-Nazi fringe groups that have
lately rallied across Southern US states. Trump's wrongheaded remarks which appeared to lay
equal blame on anti-fascist protesters for deadly violence last weekend in Charlottesville,
Virginia, were deplorable.
However, the concerted, massive media campaign to nail Trump as some kind of new Fuhrer
seems way over the top. The media frenzy smacks of Deep State opponents scouring for a handy
new pretext for ousting him from office.
The enthusiasm for whipping up the new anti-Trump campaign seems due in large part because
the erstwhile Russia-gate story has patently failed to gain any traction. For nearly seven
months since Trump's inauguration, the relentless claims pushed by Democrats, the media and
anonymous intelligence sources that his election last November was enabled by Russian
interference have shown little impact in terms of discrediting Trump and ultimately forcing him
out of the White House. The Russia-gate theme has failed in its soft coup objective.
Back in January, on the eve of Trump's inauguration, the US intelligence agencies claimed
that Russia had interfered in the presidential election with the aim of promoting Trump's
victory over Democrat rival Hillary Clinton. But seven months on, no evidence has ever been
produced to support that sensational claim.
Despite this absence of "killer evidence" to damage Trump as a Russian stooge, the Congress
continues to hold investigations into the vapid allegations. And, separately, a "special
prosecutor" – former FBI chief Robert Mueller – continues to expand his
investigation, forming a grand jury and this week opening enquiries into White House staff.
Thus the whole Russia-gate affair is in danger of becoming a giant farce from the lack of
evidence. With so little to show for their herculean efforts to trap Trump as a "Russian
patsy", his political opponents, including prominent media organizations, are at risk of being
seen as ridiculous hoaxers.
A telltale sign of how bankrupt the Russia-gate story is was the publication of a lengthy
article in Wired earlier this month. The California-based online magazine proclaims to be a
cutting-edge technology publication. Wired is published by Condé Nast, a global American
company, whose other prestige titles include Vogue, Vanity Fair and New Yorker . With a claimed
monthly readership of 30 million, and an editorial staff of over 80, Wired is supposed to be a
global leader in new technology and communications.
According to its advertising blurb, "Wired is where tomorrow is realized", adding: "It is
the essential source of information and ideas that make sense of a world in constant
Therefore, as a US technology forum, this publication is supposed to be the elite in insider
information and "nerdy journalism". With these high claims in mind, we then turn excitedly to
its article published on August 8 with the headline: "A guide to Russia's high tech tool box
for subverting US democracy".
On reading it, the entire article is a marathon in hackneyed cliches of Russophobia. It is
an appalling demonstration of how threadbare are the claims of Russian hacking into the US
election last year. Citing US intelligence sources, the Wired article is a regurgitation of
unsubstantiated assertions that Russian state agencies hacked into the Democratic National
Committee last July and subsequently used whistleblower site Wikileaks to disseminate damaging
information against Trump's rival Hillary Clinton.
"According to US investigators", says Wired, "the hack of the DNC's servers was apparently
the work of two separate Russian teams, one from the GRU [military intelligence] and one from
the FSB [state security service], neither of which appears to have known the other was also
rooting around in the Democratic Party's files. From there, the plundered files were laundered
through online leak sites like WikiLeaks and DCLeaks Their impact on the 2016 election was
sizable, yielding months of damaging headlines".
Nowhere in the Wired article is any plausible technical detail presented to back up the
hacking claims. It relies on US intelligence "assessments" and embellishment with quotes from
think tanks and anonymous diplomats whose anti-Russia bias is transparent.
Wired's so-called Russian "tool box for subverting US democracy" covers much more than the
alleged hacking into the DNC. It accuses Russia of using news media, diplomats, criminal
underworld networks, blackmail and assassinations as an arsenal of hybrid warfare to undermine
Wired declares: "And they are self-reinforcing, because in Russia the intelligence
apparatus, business community, organized crime groups, and media distribution networks blend
together, blurring and erasing the line between public and private-sector initiatives and
creating one amorphous state-controlled enterprise to advance the personal goals of Vladimir
Putin and his allies".
This is an astoundingly sweeping depiction of Russia in the most slanderous, pejorative
terms. Basically, Wired is claiming that the entire Russian state is a criminal enterprise. The
Russophobia expressed in the article is breathtaking – and this is in a magazine that is
supposed to be a leader in technology-intelligence.
Wired tells its readers of Russia having a "Grand Strategy" – to undermine Western
democracies, and multilateral alliances from NATO to the European Union.
With foreboding, it warns: "[T]he Putin regime's systematic effort to undermine and
destabilize democracies has become the subject of urgent focus in the West the biggest
challenge to the Western order since the fall of the Berlin Wall".
The salient point here is that despite its grandiose professional claims, Wired provides
nothing of substance to support the narrative that Russia hacked into the US election. If a
supposed cutting-edge technology magazine can't deliver on technical details, then that really
does demonstrate just how bankrupt the whole Russia-gate story is.
Moreover, another nail in the coffin for the Russia-gate narrative was recently provided by
a respected group of former US intelligence officers called Veteran Intelligence Professionals
for Sanity (VIPS). Last month, the group wrote to
President Trump with their expert analysis that the DNC incident was not a hack conducted via
the internet, but rather that the information came from a DNC insider. In other words, the
information was a leak, not a hack, in which the data was transferred by person out of the DNC
offices on a memory disk. In that case, Russian agents or any other internet agents could not
have possibly been involved. The key finding in the VIPS analysis is that the information
obtained from the DNC computers was so vast in file size, it could not have been downloaded
over the internet in the time period indicated by meta-data.
It is relevant that Wikileaks editor Julian Assange has consistently denied US intelligence
and media claims that his source was Russian hackers. Also, former British ambassador Craig
Murray has confirmed that he knows the identity of the source for Wikileaks and that, as the
dissenting veteran US intelligence people have assessed, the information was leaked, not
In sum, the Russia-gate story that the US Deep State and media have peddled non-stop for
seven months is on its knees gasping for lack of credibility.
Even a supposed top technology publication, Wired, is embarrassingly vacant of any details
on how alleged Russian hackers are supposed to have interfered in the US election to get Trump
into the White House. As if to compensate for its dearth of detail, the Wired publication pads
out its "big story" with hackneyed Russophobia worthy of a corny James Bond knock-off.
Not only that, but now technical details and expert analysis are emerging from credible
former US intelligence personnel who are verifying that the Russia-gate story is indeed a
The Deep State and other political/media opponents of Trump are inevitably scrabbling for
alternative means of sabotaging his presidency. They are finding that the Russia-gate ploy to
get Trump out of the White House is in danger of collapsing from lack of evidence and from the
emergence of a plausible explanation for the DNC breach that damaged Clinton's election
campaign. The bottomline is: it wasn't the Russians, so all the hype about Trump being a
Russian stooge is a case of fake news, just as Trump has long maintained.
The imminent death of the Russia-gate "scandal" is giving way to the next orchestrated
campaign to oust Trump in the form of allegations that the president is a "Neo-Nazi
sympathizer". Trump's nationalistic America First views may be suspect, even reprehensible in
their wider association. That's not the point. The point is the concerted, orchestrated way
that the Deep State will rail-road the new campaign to oust Trump in place of the failing
Russia-gate ploy. The contempt for democratic process raises the question of who the more
dangerous American fascists are?
Finian Cunningham has written extensively on international affairs, with articles published
in several languages. He is a Master's graduate in Agricultural Chemistry and worked as a
scientific editor for the Royal Society of Chemistry, Cambridge, England, before pursuing a
career in newspaper journalism. He is also a musician and songwriter. For nearly 20 years, he
worked as an editor and writer in major news media organisations, including The Mirror, Irish
Times and Independent.
"... For the record, Mr. Bannon gave notice on 8/7 to POTUS. As well, Mr. Bannon, when appointed to Trump's cabinet, stated for any who bothered to read/listen that he would accept under one condition, which was he'd be leaving the WH in eight months. Eight months brings us to 8/7. No one fired him. He is back at Breitbart as its Chairman. ..."
Francis @68 - Refreshing to read a comment by someone who obviously has made it her/his
business to understand Trump and Team from the conservative perspective. Great comment and spot
For the record, Mr. Bannon gave notice on 8/7 to POTUS. As well, Mr. Bannon, when appointed
to Trump's cabinet, stated for any who bothered to read/listen that he would accept under one
condition, which was he'd be leaving the WH in eight months. Eight months brings us to 8/7. No
one fired him. He is back at Breitbart as its Chairman.
Bannon's interview with the American Prospect last week was his shot across the proverbial
bow aimed directly at the globalists who are determined to keep their march toward raping the
world from all her resources aka the NWO/neocon/neolib mafia while fomenting more war(s).
Bannon with Mercer and et al backing (and I can make a pretty solid educated guess that
there are others) have been developing a new media platform of some kind which will be launched
in weeks not months (another educated guess). Sinclair broadcasting has been mentioned on other
conservative platforms as getting ready to make a move of some kind as well.
As Breitbart's editor wrote on Friday following the Bannon announcement - "WAR" - is
unequivocally that sites way of saying the Swamp in DC is going to be drained. Indeed, Trump
and Team have already begun to roll out their 2018 election strategy.
Any who hold the belief that Trump is stupid, naive, or whatever derogatory statement
conjured up is just plain wrong and shouldn't be taken seriously by any here who know
Trump is a businessman. Trump is not a politician. And he certainly wasn't elected to serve
as America's grandpa-he ain't gonna hold your hand...ever.
If you are unaware of the current round of NAFTA negotiations, now in its fourth day,
w/Canada and Mexico OR if you are unaware that on Friday the Trump administration formally
launched a Section 301 Trade investigation into China's trading practices, then you are not
paying attention to what the right hand is doing.
There is always much going on behind all of the noise the insufferable Left makes on a daily
basis. Apparently, they don't want you to know about any of the plethora of Executive Orders
signed, the roll back of regulations zero and czars put in place, the trade negotiations and
so, so much more.
On the other hand, conservative sites are all over the blogosphere report daily what this
administration is doing and how it is succeeding. Bannon remains a phone call away.
Oh, and btw, it was Kushner and his data operation who carried Trump over the finish line
not Bannon and his policy positions.
"... Trump making more and more room for neocons, deepstate, warmongers with these completely irrational moves kicking out he's closest friends and advisors! Now MSM, deepstate will be even stronger, I wouldnt be surpised if Trump step down himself eventually and hand over the presidency to Pence, either that or Trump will more and more tone done his views, policy and go along what msm/deep state wants. ..."
"... These moves clearly show how isolated he really is ..."
"... We could throw away that improvement of Russia/US relationsship, we will see more Nato supporting Trump, more wars and covert ops. in the middle east and elsehwere. Very tragic and bad situation. ..."
"... The US has a military junta in control These are people Trump picked - they were not imposed on him. The people that got Trump elected out lived there usefulness ..."
"... If Bannon turns out to be smarter than I credit him for, things could become interesting. Mainly with strong Bernistas on the other side (they may think they are polar opposite, but they are basically calling for the same thing – no more wars, jobs, education, etc). ..."
"... The war we feared Clinton would bring is now on the horizon. Apparently it was only delayed, not prevented. ..."
"... So what is going on here? Trump in order to physically survive had to dig up allies in the senior military who had the guns, frankly, to keep him in office. The ouster of Bannon may be a "good" thing if we understand that the chief attribute of Washington since Obama was elected for his second term was the power struggle between various gangs within the power-elite exhibited by Ash Carter's mutiny against the Kerry-Lavrov agreement on Syria almost a year ago. So the power struggle appears to have been simplified. The permanent war state is once again in the driver's seat now we'll see where they choose to go. ..."
"... Bannon engineered the ascent of Rex Tillerson at State despite the fact that Tillerson's patron and chief influence is non-other than Condoleezza Rice, the neocon former Bush NSA Director and cheerleader for the Iraq war. Documents which leaked from the Presidential transition proved that Rice was Tillerson's advocate and that several other staffers she recommended where quickly hired at State. Perhaps this is why Politico correctly tabbed the rise of veteran Romney-ites at State. The Trump State Department has failed to excise the Soros control of a number of U.S. embassies and is currently leaning on the Hungarian government not to impede Soros toppling of that democratically elected government. Bannon delivered the Trump State Department into the hands of the Globalists. ..."
"... Trump getting swallowed up and neutered by the Washington establishment makes a complete mockery of anyone who made the asinine claim of a populist lone hero walking into office and 'draining the swamp'. ..."
"... A presidential administration requires years, even decades, to build up the people and relationships that are needed to hit the ground running on day one. The mass of experienced people who can act as the foundations of the new administration. ..."
"... With Trump getting elected by the unique combination of traditional populism and the Democratic part establishment thinking they had enough power to ram a complete piece of shit candidate like Hillary Clinton down the country's throat have managed to put someone in office who completely lacks the tools to effectively operate an administration. ..."
"... Obama deliberately lied to us in 2008, it was all a con. I know this because the instant he was elected, he fired all his liberal economic advisors and brought in Goldman Sachs. I know this because of reports that during his campaign his agents were privately telling his wealthy patrons that he didn't mean a word of it. ..."
"... Trumps started his presidency like he really meant to do what he promised during the campaign. THEN, after enormous pressure, even he started to bend. The inflection point was the missile strike on Syria. Now he's just sailing on, being president, and the promises of the campaign are like the promises of a car salesman... ..."
"... The 2nd bad mistake was H-ikki Haley. - Internationally. Trump had much potential support that was destroyed by this woman. He burned SO many bridges.. ..."
"... Bannon was probably the only non warmonger in the whole Tronald team - including the boss. Although I strongly oppose everything else he believes in his political course would have been much healthier for the rest of the world. ..."
"... Bannon's removal opens wide the door to neo-cons, war mongers and the pro-jewish lobbies that only think of "making america great" through wars. The neo-cons are much more right-wing than Bannon. Without Bannon, Trump is becoming another puppet just like Bush jr. We will come to regret the last anti-Israel voice in the White House. ..."
"... This article totally ignores his position on China. Like the Bush adminstration had planned to destroy 7 countries (Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Iran), Bannon said: "We're going to war in the South China Sea in five to 10 years," "There's no doubt about that. They're taking their sandbars and making basically stationary aircraft carriers and putting missiles on those. They come here to the United States in front of our face - and you understand how important face is - and say it's an ancient territorial sea." ..."
"... Trump's troubles are phoney (Russia, statues) but Trump hasn't been effective in countering them - sometimes shooting himself in the foot (suggesting that he had tapes of Comey; drip-drip-drip of the Trump Jr meeting with Russians; etc) ..."
"... I call him the Republican Obama. Apologists and critics of Trump won't dont like this view. ..."
"... if i thought exxon, goldman sachs, lockheed martin and all these corps that have a huge say on the direction of the usa today, had any other clue then their 'bottom line' or recognized at the whole game is in jeopardy of being lost, i doubt any of them would have the guts or character to say anything about it.. it is not only that the usa is rudderless at this point.. the whole planet looks in much the same point, especially the usa poodles, which would include canada, the country i live in.. no naomi klein book or anything is going to change it either.. ..."
"... firing Bannon mean getting rid of people that think like Trump, so this is quite bad because instead comes pure neocons filling up the WH, and then Trump will be very isolated with his ideas on detente and so on. ..."
"... I highly suggest MoA barflys read Pepe Escobar's analysis of Bannon's departure, https://sputniknews.com/columnists/201708191056603401-steve-bannon-white-house-trump-war/ ..."
"... Obama was heavily backed by the billionaire Pritzker family. One of them was put in charge of the treasury. One of them is a gender-bender, once a he, now a she. Hence the gender wars. Ever feel you've been had? ..."
Bannon was the "Make America Great Again" guy in the White House. The strategist who had the populist
ideas that brought the votes for Trump. Jobs, jobs, jobs, infrastructure investments, immigration
limits, taxing globalists were his issue.
Trump is no young German Emperor and Bannon is no chancellor Bismark. (Both would probably have
liked those roles.) But with Bannon leaving, the Trump presidency is losing its chief strategist,
the one person which set priorities and could set an alternative course for the ship of state under
The racist Huffington Post headline implies that Bannon prioritized the wrong country.
Trump making more and more room for neocons, deepstate, warmongers with these completely
irrational moves kicking out he's closest friends and advisors!
Now MSM, deepstate will be even stronger, I wouldnt be surpised if Trump step down himself eventually
and hand over the presidency to Pence, either that or Trump will more and more tone done his views,
policy and go along what msm/deep state wants.
These moves clearly show how isolated he really is , he could have been strong instead
he backs off ASAP it seems.
We could throw away that improvement of Russia/US relationsship, we will see more Nato
supporting Trump, more wars and covert ops. in the middle east and elsehwere. Very tragic and
I doubt that it will help Trump to implement what Bannon and Trump himself intended to do.
It won't. These globalists, Goldman Sachs lobbyists and MIC/Pentagon vultures are too firmly
entrenched in the immediate vicinity of the Oval office to be uprooted that easily. On the other
hand, the anti-war, America-First, get-the jobs-back Trump voters can be made into a whole frigging
mass movement which could multiply peaceful protest actions and, as they say, " rock the boat
It would take brains and planning, but it can be done.
If Bannon turns out to be smarter than I credit him for, things could become interesting.
Mainly with strong Bernistas on the other side (they may think they are polar opposite, but they
are basically calling for the same thing – no more wars, jobs, education, etc).
I wouldn't mind to see Pence taking over at some stage. The two real faces of the White power
in the US for everyone in the world to contemplate. Might get their lackeys sober. Let the Titanic
drowns to the bottom so the rest of the world can breathe.
Staying with the caricature you show, b., Trump will start a war. Yeah, Bannon talked of
infrastructure. Hitler built the Autobahn and got rid of unemployment, one way or the other, "economic
nationalism" is a relabeling of fascism.
This here is what Trump's presidency has been about right from the start - a
capitalist raid on government. Bannon's role has been - and looking at Breitbart still is
- to sell Trump to the stupid little people.
At school in Australia in the 1960's our regular theme was the inevitability of 'hegemonic ' struggle
. I noticed it vanished as a theme from history and social studies, 70's onwards.
Used to think it was deliberately done to subconsciously underline the newness and completeness
of the Anglo/ American empire . A product here to stay ! The old forces of struggle - of victory
and defeat no longer patterns at play .
Ridiculous! You are using Hitler fallacy blasting Trump, Bannon, their policies, why dont you
go to CNN instead and comment? Whiny Trump, Bannon is nazis, fascist is the liberal propaganda
fake-news, meanwhile in the real world:
Great analysis. This internal power struggle is not over. Yes, the generals are now in charge
as I once predicted long ago when we first started seeing the decline in the polls at all levels
of the state except for two major institutions: 1) the military; and 2) the police. The logical
conclusion was that, eventually, these institutions would hold most of the political power since
they are the most popular.
It's fascinating how martinets who continually lose wars are still considered "heroes" (thank
you for your service). So what is going on here? Trump in order to physically survive had
to dig up allies in the senior military who had the guns, frankly, to keep him in office. The
ouster of Bannon may be a "good" thing if we understand that the chief attribute of Washington
since Obama was elected for his second term was the power struggle between various gangs within
the power-elite exhibited by Ash Carter's mutiny against the Kerry-Lavrov agreement on Syria almost
a year ago. So the power struggle appears to have been simplified. The permanent war state is
once again in the driver's seat now we'll see where they choose to go.
Bannon engineered the ascent of Rex Tillerson at State despite the fact that Tillerson's
patron and chief influence is non-other than Condoleezza Rice, the neocon former Bush NSA Director
and cheerleader for the Iraq war. Documents which leaked from the Presidential transition proved
that Rice was Tillerson's advocate and that several other staffers she recommended where quickly
hired at State. Perhaps this is why Politico correctly tabbed the rise of veteran Romney-ites
at State. The Trump State Department has failed to excise the Soros control of a number of
U.S. embassies and is currently leaning on the Hungarian government not to impede Soros toppling
of that democratically elected government. Bannon delivered the Trump State Department into
the hands of the Globalists.
Recommend people follow twitter.com/ezilidanto. Trump has already re-instated Clinton's people
to continue the UN occupation of Haiti. Trump is getting blindsided when all he needs to do is
up his twitter game and ignore the lame stream bilderberg media.
Trump getting swallowed up and neutered by the Washington establishment makes a complete mockery
of anyone who made the asinine claim of a populist lone hero walking into office and 'draining
A presidential administration requires years, even decades, to build up the people and
relationships that are needed to hit the ground running on day one. The mass of experienced people
who can act as the foundations of the new administration.
With Trump getting elected by the unique combination of traditional populism and the Democratic
part establishment thinking they had enough power to ram a complete piece of shit candidate like
Hillary Clinton down the country's throat have managed to put someone in office who completely
lacks the tools to effectively operate an administration.
Trump has been effectively reduced to a who might as well just be sitting in the Oval Office
jerking off to porn and watching to cat videos.
It is also laughable to see people crying about the country stumbling into a 'civil war'. The
Trump base is a bunch of clowns who still believe they won a presidential election with 'meme
Their 'god emperor' has become the ultimate 'cuck' and they have nothing in response other
than crying in their echo chamber forums about how they are 'winning'.
I have always thought that Obama was a con artist, and Trump, a salesman.
Obama deliberately lied to us in 2008, it was all a con. I know this because the instant
he was elected, he fired all his liberal economic advisors and brought in Goldman Sachs. I know
this because of reports that during his campaign his agents were privately telling his wealthy
patrons that he didn't mean a word of it.
Trump, however, is a salesman. He will simply tell you what you want to hear at the moment
to close the deal. 'Oh yeah, that model car is great, no the seats in the other model are exactly
the same..." just making it up on the fly, trying to read the customer. A salesman probably doesn't
really think of it as lying. And when the deal is made, they won't deliberately stab you in the
back - they just maybe won't be too concerned if it doesn't work out quite like they said.
Trumps started his presidency like he really meant to do what he promised during the campaign.
THEN, after enormous pressure, even he started to bend. The inflection point was the missile strike
on Syria. Now he's just sailing on, being president, and the promises of the campaign are like
the promises of a car salesman...
Trump lost the vote. If it weren't for the moronic Electoral College crap Trump wouldn't be president.
So when Bannon tries to posture as the genius who won the presidency for Trump, Trump knows better.
Everyone who talks about Trump winning the election is lying. Trump knows this, because that's
the bottom line. Trump doesn't need a loser for an adviser. It's Trump who may now create a significant
fascist movement by his support. It is not Bannon who will bring the fascist masses to Trump,
because the masses aren't fascist.
As for delusions about Trump's non-imperialist foreign policy? The man ran as a conqueror,
not a peacemaker. Trump is an owner. The US economy relies on the dollar and the dollar is backed
by blood. Its role is not commensurate with the US' real economy, much less gold. The Soviets
could give up their alleged empire because it wasn't an empire, it was an expense. The owners
of the US rely on their empire. They can't give it up and they don't want to. Trump is one of
them. He's about trashing old politics. Nazis in Charlottesville is the new politics, but he doesn't
need Bannon for that.
Trump would not have been elected without him. -Bannon. b's top post.
Wondered about this, probably correct... though Trump, DT - Bannon are a sort of meeting of
the minds so who what? etc. DT did veer pragmatically away from Bannon-type core positions on
'Muslims', in the infamous Clash of Civilzations line, as DT relegated religion to the lower drawer,
to use violence as a no. 1. criteria - "ISIS", "terrorism", etc. (Campaign.)
DT clarioned the obvious, MAGA was for all Amrikis - LGTB, muslim, black, anyone, etc.
That is why he won! (Bannon would of course have understood this.) On Iran DT has also been a
little more 'tempered' imho but who knows really, e.g.:
I posted about Trump's VP pick at the time saying it was a terrible sign. Response, he had
to pick a Rep. estab. figure. NO. That was his first capitulation that led to all the others and
those to come. And it will be his downfall. He could have picked a nonenity, anybody really, a
woman would have been ~+ (not S. Palin, that type or top Rep. F figures at the time), a young
man of Hispanic origin, someone sympathetic with stage presence, etc. Why not, Bannon himself?
The bold move would have been to offer it publically to B. Sanders as a challenge.
DT is from the biz world and his intuitions about 'breaking molds' are constrained by the profit
motive, which operate in a regulated field, he does not understand politics where 'anything goes.'
The 2nd bad mistake was H-ikki Haley. - Internationally. Trump had much potential support
that was destroyed by this woman. He burned SO many bridges..
It is a fascist road map. Weimar street fights - check. "Wenn das der Führer wüsste"- problems
are the people around the leader, not the leader himself. The leader is a saint. - check. "We
will have to crash them" ie the Röhm mob who did the street fights - check. Infrastructure projects
against unemployment, no matter the conditions of forced labor - check. "Buy German" - check.
War against economic competitors - check. Find an interior race to unite against - Jews, Black
lives matter - check
If Bannon is going back to Breitbart then I'm very confident that The Swamp will soon be in deep
do-do. He can disrupt their schemes, smear them 24/7, and make them look stupider, from Breitbart,
than he ever could have done from inside the White House.
Bannon knows that the Swamp believes
ALL of it's own bullshit. With Bannon pointing it out, it won't be long before everyone on Earth
The White House is also getting support for its tax-cut plan from the political network of
billionaire brothers Charles Koch and David Koch, who didn't support President Donald Trump
during his 2016 campaign. Short and Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin are set to appear on
a tax panel hosted by two Koch-funded groups Monday in Washington.
Since the IRS found in 2010 that a complicated banking method used by Renaissance and about
10 other hedge funds was a tax-avoidance scheme, Mercer has gotten increasingly active in politics.
According to data from the Center for Responsive Politics, he doled out more than $22 million
to outside conservative groups seeking to influence last year's elections, while advocating
the abolition of the IRS and much of the federal government.
Richard Painter, chief White
House ethics adviser under President George W. Bush, said the optics surrounding the Mercers'
political connections and the IRS case "are terrible."
"The guy's got a big case in front of the IRS," said Painter, now a University of Minnesota
law professor who is also vice chairman of Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington.
"He's trying to put someone in there who's going to drop the case. Is the president of the
United States going to succumb to that or is he not?"
"Are we going to have a commissioner of the IRS who aggressively enforces the law and takes
good cases to Tax Court or (somebody who) just throws away tax cases so billionaires don't
have to pay their taxes and the rest of us can pay more taxes?"
You recognize you are in the middle of a psychological war yet do not act accordingly.
The "two sides" in this war shoot their weapons in the direction of the "other side" but the
aim is strictly at the boobs in the middle. You should know this but yet you insist on being the
boob in the middle.
Why is that?
Printing is pretty cheap these days. Pamphlets work wonders. Go forth and publish. While you
What I did say was - if you dress like a Nazi, if you shout Nazi slogans, if you act like Nazis
did, if your political programme is that of Nazis, there is a strong likelihood that you are a
Of course there is a cultural difference, these US billionaire backers of potential mass movements
are after a "
disruptive " tax and regulation free oligarchy, competitive advantage plus the profits of
war, whilst German (and US) industrialists of the time were after an authoritarian corporate state,
competitive advantage and the profits of war.
The difference between industrialists who depend on a work force and money made by speculation.
What Bannon is selling to the little people is the protection of an authoritarian corporate
The neocon and neolib warmongers are in full control. The US now marches in one direction: WAR.
Millions (billions?) more will suffer more death and destruction. The US and its Anglosphere and
EU vassals are nothing but vile and despicable. All my remaining hope is in the Eastern powers
Bannon was probably the only non warmonger in the whole Tronald team - including the boss.
Although I strongly oppose everything else he believes in his political course would have been
much healthier for the rest of the world.
The deep state and Wall Street have long run the ship, and now Big Oil's hand is on the rudder.
The personality/reality show cast changes but always diverts attention; i.e., grabs eyeballs for
the mainstream media.
Bannon's removal opens wide the door to neo-cons, war mongers and the pro-jewish lobbies that
only think of "making america great" through wars. The neo-cons are much more right-wing than
Bannon. Without Bannon, Trump is becoming another puppet just like Bush jr. We will come to regret
the last anti-Israel voice in the White House.
trump at this point looks very weak and not in control..
Posted by: james | Aug 19, 2017 1:01:13 PM | 43
That makes an assumption that Trump has some goals, program or whatever. I always had serious
doubt, because he never showed some coherent program. Trump does not really think in terms of
abstract ideas, but in terms of people that he knows. Bannon is a favorite of a billionaire lady
that has an apartment in Trump Tower and who bankrolled recent Bannon's project. Who knows, with
Rebeccah Mercer as a president, USA would have more coherent policies? But Trump hobnobbed with
a lot of "good people" and his views seemed to be some incoherent mishmash.
Not that coherence is always a virtue. Probably all his acquaintances believed that "Obamacare"
was a terrible idea, and none of them had any notion how to "fix it", so Trump probably projected
a consensus "get rid of it, and if you can, replace it with something marvelous". And we all know
that getting a "bipartisan consensus" in Congress, with 98-2 vote, requires some profoundly stupid
legislation. And dinosaurs of American foreign policy may be pretty consistent.
Bannon was just another loudmouth for hire as far as Trump is concerned, something that he
himself did for a living when casinos etc. were less rewarding. Trump is good at repeating stuff
heard from acquaintances, but apart of letting the compatriots bask in his greateness, I am not
sure if he really wants something.
What I miss in this Bannon praise is a clear picture on how the globalist neolibcons got rid of
Trump's key strategist. What I see is sanctification of Bannon, a far right ghoul who used his
power and influence to move the political zenit further to the right.
This article totally ignores his position on China. Like the Bush adminstration had planned
to destroy 7 countries (Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Iran), Bannon said: "We're
going to war in the South China Sea in five to 10 years," "There's no doubt about that. They're
taking their sandbars and making basically stationary aircraft carriers and putting missiles on
those. They come here to the United States in front of our face - and you understand how important
face is - and say it's an ancient territorial sea."
Let's hope the rudderless ship hits an iceberg and sinks to the bottom of the sea.
It's sad to see all the defeatism here at MoA right now. Look, I too wish Trump hadn't fired Bannon
-- or Flynn. And I wish he hadn't fired missiles at Syria or signed the new sanction bill. But
consider this: a mere month after firing those missiles (apparently, after warning the Russians
and Syrians in advance so they had time evacuate their troops), Trump agreed to the deconfliction
zones in Syria, and then a month after that, he ordered the CIA to pull the plug on their jihadi
freak-show there. Two weeks ago, all my liberal friends (yes, I still have some, but it's getting
harder and harder to reason with them) over his tweets on N. Korea. And then what happened? Nothing!
Trump is well south of a hundred percent, I grant; but he's definitely more than zero.
As far as Bannon is concerned: please don't fall for the MSM propaganda about Bannon having
been 'Trump's brain'. No. If you'll recall, Bannon only joined Trump's campaign toward the end,
in August of 2016. And yet Trump never changed his fundamental policies or campaign strategy at
all. Détente with Russia was NOT Bannon's idea; it was Trump's from the start. Dropping 'régime
change' in Syria was NOT Bannon's idea; it was Trump's all along.
So have some faith, people. The worst has still not happened. There's a chance -- just a chance
-- that we may still avoid a nuclear war.
Trump's troubles are phoney (Russia, statues) but Trump hasn't been effective in countering
them - sometimes shooting himself in the foot (suggesting that he had tapes of Comey; drip-drip-drip
of the Trump Jr meeting with Russians; etc)
His response to Charlottesville is a case in point: he didn't explain what each group had done
wrong so his "many mistakes on all sides" was read as a reluctance to denounce right-wing hate
groups, then he flip-flopped (denounced white supremists) and flip-flopped again (returned to
his earlier position) after out-cry from the right. I call him the Republican Obama. Apologists
and critics of Trump won't dont like this view.
@46 piotr... i hear what you are saying.. trump is in it for trump... the guy is all about what
corporations are about - branding, logo, etc. etc.. trump inc. and making money... as i was saying
to a friend earlier today, if everything is about money - the bottom line of so many - when these
folks no longer have a planet, there ain't gonna be no bottom line to look after either...
if i thought exxon, goldman sachs, lockheed martin and all these corps that have a huge
say on the direction of the usa today, had any other clue then their 'bottom line' or recognized
at the whole game is in jeopardy of being lost, i doubt any of them would have the guts or character
to say anything about it.. it is not only that the usa is rudderless at this point.. the whole
planet looks in much the same point, especially the usa poodles, which would include canada, the
country i live in.. no naomi klein book or anything is going to change it either..
if correct, and i haven't read the link @50 vannok post is further confirmation of it..
Great points, although if I could add - firing Bannon mean getting rid of people that think
like Trump, so this is quite bad because instead comes pure neocons filling up the WH, and then
Trump will be very isolated with his ideas on detente and so on.
He is dissociating from the Nazis in a left wing publication, why do you think that is? Because
his Nazi friends have become toxic but don't read left wing publications. He did not say that
Now what does Breitbart say: "CNN normalizes Antifa - Leftists seek peace through violence".
Now, again, who was violent in Charlottesville? What do the videos show?
It is obvious that Mercer/Bannon did not split with Trump. Bannon is now firing up the base
whilst Trump does what he has to do to satisfy his billionaire friends ie get rid of regulations
Whilst Bannon pretends Trump is hostage to Republican elites that have to be removed by his
Bannons "War with China" is not non interventionist.
Bannon is a paid tool.
Those Nazis have been filmed from all sides and are being identified online, losing their jobs
because of it.
I suggest people send them Bannon's interview in the American Prospect.
The President is very much a figurehead - he wields no real power whatsoever. He is apparently
chosen by the government, but the qualities he is required to display are not those of leadership
but those of finely judged outrage. For this reason the President is always a controversial choice,
always an infuriating but fascinating character. His job is not to wield power but to draw attention
away from it.
An orange sash is what the President of the Galaxy traditionally wears.
On those criteria Zaphod Beeblebrox is one of the most successful Presidents the Galaxy has
ever had. He spent two of his ten Presidential years in prison for fraud. Very very few people
realize that the President and the Government have virtually no power at all, and of these very
few people only six know whence ultimate political power is wielded. Most of the others secretly
believe that the ultimate decision-making process is handled by a computer. They couldn't be more
1. "I never said Trump voters were Nazis, they were anti-Hillary. Including the non-voters."
No they voted because of his economic policy.
2. "He is dissociating from the Nazis in a left wing publication, why do you think that
is? Because his Nazi friends have become toxic but don't read left wing publications. He did not
say that in Breitbart."
Lol you are making up stupid conspiracy theories, he said something about Charlottesville because
he was asked to obviously.
You cant accept what Bannon is saying you are making up things in your head. If you cant accept
reality, what matter is our discussion? But keep those conspiracy theories coming because those
3. "Now what does Breitbart say: "CNN normalizes Antifa - Leftists seek peace through violence".
Now, again, who was violent in Charlottesville? What do the videos show?"
Yes they sure do, the videos show violence on both sides, apparently you and CNN see the world
in such bad/good sides. You have become blind by the liberal MSM apparently.
As far as violence in europe,
On other threads, the need for solidarity's been raised by myself and others. I believe what
I'll call the Hate Resistance or Anti-Hate forces could provide the foundation for the required
rise of a Progressive-Populist Movement,
Now, I understand that those with the money behind these counter protests are anything but Progressive
or want to see Populism rise; however, the required solidarity's been generated, so all that's
needed is for Direction to be supplied for a bottom->up Movement to grow and become a new political
force that could even tap into some of the issues Bannon will certainly raise.
Night of the Long Knives
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For other uses, see Night of the Long Knives (disambiguation).
Night of the Long Knives
Ernst Röhm (right) with Kurt Daluege
and Heinrich Himmler
June 30 – July 2, 1934
Location: Nazi Germany
Also known as
Operation Hummingbird, Röhm Putsch (by the Nazis), The Blood Purge
Type: Coup d'état and purge
Cause: Conflicts between Strasserist and Hitler
Schutzstaffel (Hitler faction)
Sturmabteilung (Röhm faction)
Unorganized regime opposition
Adolf Hitler's supremacy confirmed
Elimination of opposition to the Nazi Government
85 officially and upwards to 150–200 total
The Night of the Long Knives (German: Nacht der langen Messer (help·info)), also called Operation
Hummingbird (German: Unternehmen Kolibri) or, in Germany, the Röhm Putsch[a] (German spelling:
Röhm-Putsch), was a purge that took place in Nazi Germany from June 30 to July 2, 1934, when the
Nazi regime carried out a series of political extrajudicial executions intended to consolidate
Hitler's absolute hold on power in Germany. Many of those killed were leaders of the SA (Sturmabteilung),
the Nazis' own paramilitary Brownshirts organization; the best-known victim was Ernst Röhm, the
SA's leader and one of Hitler's longtime supporters and allies.
Leading members of the left-wing Strasserist faction of the Nazi Party (NSDAP), along with
its figurehead, Gregor Strasser, were also killed, as were establishment conservatives and anti-Nazis
(such as former Chancellor Kurt von Schleicher and Bavarian politician Gustav Ritter von Kahr,
who had suppressed Adolf Hitler's Munich Beer Hall Putsch in 1923). The murders of Brownshirt
leaders were also intended to improve the image of the Hitler government with a German public
that was increasingly critical of thuggish Brownshirt tactics.
The similarities go on and on, it's plain ridiculous, almost embarrassing to even point them
Bannon is a dangerous ideologue. I have no idea if Trump himself has any political beliefs,
probably not - but he loves and needs popular support. And if he doesn't manage to create 'jobs,
jobs, jobs', what will he do?
T. is pretty alone now, that's true. Having no political standpoints, this makes him an easy
target for others to drive into a corner and manipulate - and afterwards, they'll say: "Trump
is crazy, we told you so, this war was all his fault and his alone!"
Yeah, sure. And of course, the blame for WW2 lies entirely with a few 'crazy Nazis', the German
(and international) capital elite had nothing to do with it, they didn't want the Nazis to destroy
the Soviet Union, no no...
Yes, this was the crucial moment: Those Nazis who actually believed their own anti-elite propaganda
had to be eliminated, so the rest could serve as a popular figurehead for pro-elite policies.
H. had the support of the masses, but what he did served the interest of the '1%' - including
the war on Soviet Russia, which they wanted. Of course, afterwards the German money elite had
nothing to do with it, it was all done by those 'crazies', and that's what the history books still
tell us today...
"trump at this point looks very weak and not in control.. "
That's exactly what I wrote more than a year ago, and why I didn't want him to be president:
He may not be an 'evil person' (I have no idea), but he's weak and prone to doing 'stupid stuff'
when in a difficult situation.
I do hope Russia and China understand this, and act accordingly/ offer him a face-saving way
Friday's Camp David talks on Afghanistan appear to have ended without a final decision by President
Trump on troop levels, as he continues to resist pressure from top cabinet officials to sign
off on a massive escalation of the 16-year-old conflict with thousands of fresh troops.
Trump had initially delegated the decision to Defense Secretary James Mattis, but Mattis
found a cap limiting his maximum deployment too restrictive.
Now, Vice President Pence and National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster are also taking up
the cause of large-scale escalation, pushing Trump to accept the recommendations of the commanders.Pence
and McMaster were at the Camp David meeting, but Blackwater founder Erik Prince, who has been
pushing a "privatize the war" initiative, was blocked, apparently at the behest of McMaster.
Trump aide Steve Bannon, another skeptic of military escalation, was sacked outright.
What's the purpose of the "escalation"?
Why escalate in Afghanistan?
What has happened recently to require such an escaltion?
(Nothing, as far as I can see)
So why "escalate?
As far as I can see Trump is no longer in charge of any of the several wars the US is currebtly
waging. If he ever was in charge in the first place.
As far as I can tell, the purpose of any escalation would simply be: "to escalate". With all
the increase in expenditure that such an escalation would naturally require.
Throughout the Obama era troop levels in afghanistan were raised and lowered without any rhyme
or reason, with no connection to events on the ground, that I could see.
Nothing has changed in that regard since Tronald took charge.
If anything this confirms Orwell's theory, espoused in his "Theory and Practice of Oligarical
Collectivism", that the purpose of war is: "To wage war".
Thus filling the coffers of those who profit from waging war. And more importantly emptying
the treasury of funds that could be used to improve living conditions for the proles. Proles of
all different skin colours.
Nothing has changed in that regard since the Obama era.
Except: the circus has a new show on, to distract the " stupid little people". Instead of "gender
wars" the show at the local theatre changed to "race wars"
But at the end of the day, it's still just a show, just like it was under Obomber, designed
Bread and Circuses.
Since nothing has changed, claims of Nazism aimed at Trump are nonsense, unless the person
making the claim was making the exact same claim regarding
Which they weren't
Which brings us back to the "stupid little people"
Obama was heavily backed by the billionaire Pritzker family. One of them was put in charge
of the treasury. One of them is a gender-bender, once a he, now a she. Hence the gender wars.
Ever feel you've been had?
There are a few assumptions that are driving the Trump is doomed story. The first; he is unthinking,
borderline stupid. The second: he is isolated. The third; he has no plan.
I think they are wrong
on all counts. I believe he is shrewd, his business dealings show that. He is not isolated as
he trusts very few people and relies on his family and only his family. He has few people close
to him by choice. Finally he clearly has plans and surrounding himself with military give you
a glimpse into his thinking. He has just announced an upgrade to the cyber security agency and
it may take over NSA responsibilities.
The Pentagon has long been at war with the CIA/State Dept and the NSA. He is backing the Pentagon
and with their help can decimate his and their enemies. As for congress, he has been assembling
a war chest and in the 2018 elections will support those who are loyal to him. He will bury the
Republicans who failed to come up with a healthcare plan, he will bury the Republicans who failed
to support him. He was a leading developer worldwide, dealing with some of the world's biggest
business sharks do you seriously think he can't take on Congressional sycophants?
The U.S. appears ungovernable at this time, the hysterical temper whipped up on all sides, no
reasoned thinking. I guess we're now getting a look at the big show Obama was able to put on for
us, when in actual fact things were ungovernable all along - it's just so, so exposed now under
Trump. He's being bitten by the people closest to him. Repeatedly.
There would be a way for a country to escape such internal capitulation if there were a visible
rule of law, or maybe some code of ethics on show. Rule of the rich should look this way, paying
for the pleasure of watching other people watch monkeys to throw shit at one another daily.
Trump is probably best known, amongst the proles, as host of the show "The Apprentice". The
premise of this show was that he gathered together a whole bunch of asshats and then one by one
fired all of them.
Fast Forward to 2017 and the Trump presidency.
He gathered a whole bunch of asshats around him and one by one fired all of em . . . . .
Say what you like about the man, but at least he's consistent ;-)
Americans who simply ignore President Trump's occasionally hints of brutality ( that police should
be even rougher or more brutal in their dealings with criminal suspects), are citizens proceeding
at their own peril. President Obama, in his heyday, made public statements, in which he pronounced
Army private Bradley (Chelsea) Manning guilty of treason;--a young soldier who had been held in
brutal detention in a military stockade,--when no trial had even begun. The law is found to be
expedient when it serves political ends, and is otherwise ignored.
In preemptive violence they trust: glorification of abusive power and coersion, and demonization
of the Other. It's truly a bi-partisan thing we are seeing: the last links to sanity being removed.
No one is sure what the little extra nudge it might be, that could hurl us down into social chaos.
Whether Trump proves himself more or less dangerous than Hillary Clinton would have been, simply
shrinks into insignificance, compared to the US Congress, and the bi-partisan consensus for irrational
global dominance that keeps pushing us toward destruction.
But some liberals have decided that the Day of Antifa is not such a bad thing; meaning we should
duke it out in the streets with crazier right wingers, hoping that the contagion of hate will
spread throughout the land. Mark Bray, a lecturer at Dartmouth College, is giving the necessity
of preemptive violence his academic blessing. With the flood of adrenaline, the blood thickens
and grows hot, and eventually spills out on the paving stones and the curb.
On the other hand, the inchoate lunges and political retractions, the firings and shuffling
of personnel in the administration, is not at all inspiring. If Trump brings any more generals
into the National Security Council, people will have even more reason to worry. Bannon's departure,
in and of itself, will probably not change the trajectory that the US government is locked into.
Bannon is not the pilot of Trump's soul, nor is he the Mephistopheles whispering into the ear
What keeps me awake at night is the knowledge that the only time Congress rallies to Trump,
is when they are confident that he is about to start pushing out the borders of the empire, economically
strangling small countries,--or better still, when he proves his mettle by bombing and killing
folks. Does this president have the grit to resist foolhardy military adventures, or improve diplomatic
relations with countries that view the US with alarm, or to put people back to work and rebuild
the domestic economy? It's hard to say how.
Can Trump do any more to show the rest of the world what a craven puppet the US has become to
the God of Mammon folks?
I believe that all this strum and drang are the prelude for war or a major shift in geo-political
focus on war as an economic engine of society. The next step in the prelude is either war or economic
war, both about maintaining global private finance control or away from that model. The propaganda
and fear mongering escalate so that rational discussion of the paths forward are obfuscated and
Trump may have dropped a pilot but it is foolish to think that those who have piloted global
private finance for centuries have let down their guard.
Are you one of those rare infallible gentlemen who never has made a mistake? Why are you making
it personal? I can only guess that you are trolling. No one born in this world can pass through
it free of error. But I guess you have pardoned yourself, given that you are an exception.
@ fast freddy who didn't credit any with the tool of Rational Thought
Below is a recent quote from Lord Rothschild that you can analyze keeping in mind that his
organization reduced its US holdings from 62% to 37% of it portfolio in the past 6 months....
The period of monetary accommodation may well be coming to an end. Geopolitical problems remain
widespread and are proving increasingly difficult to resolve. We therefore retain a moderate exposure
to equity markets and have diversified our asset allocation towards equity investments where value
creation is driven by some identifiable catalyst or which are exposed to longer-term positive
Hey, he is being "upfront" about it........I wonder when the music stops?
Thanks for the HHG reference. Sometimes we need some comedy to temper our outrage.
Yes, I agree Trump is now surrounded by Goldman Sachs, military types, and pro-Israel Jared.
Nothing good can come of this. SecDef Gates resisted the warmongering of Team Obama but ultimately
he went along with it. So even if there is some common sense among the generals, that doesn't
mean they can prevent another warmongering misadventure. Tillerson has shown some restraint but
it's hard to trust anyone in govt anymore.
We Americans have a problem: the USA is not performing as it should . We Americans have
not solved the problem of how to satisfactorily staff a two man team capable to manage the white
household, nor have we Americans done any better seating old 100 gents to rule the Senate, worse
among us we seem unable to supply 425 jugglers, dancers, and actors the house of dancing confusion
needs to sell its show time tickets. This staffing problem is an American problem, not a USA problem.
Its time Americans set their minds to solving it.
Its disappointing to see that Trump may have a problem supporting people that pledge their
reputations, futures, and positions to help Trump. In business I have seen many persons with this
psychological problem, its not about the hired person, its about imperfection : even the
slightest non-conforming misstep by the supportive employee is sufficient to bring about
a vilification, a firing, and the like. It nows seems possible that the surround sound family
in the white house was a defensive move designed to overcome a known-to-Trump problem that probably
has plagued Trump his entire life. I put a short-run fantastic performing employee in charge of
a significant managerial position; within a year he had fired nearly everyone in the place, some
fired had 20 years of relevant experience. Five years later the same person repeated the performance,
within a year everyone in the new place had been fired. Later, another person, this time an expert
with 20 years experience in a particular line of business was bathed in venture capital and tasked
to establish a new business within his expertise; he fired nearly everyone that he hired; some
made it a year, but that was it. He ended up trying to run the business all by himself.
This will likely only hasten the inevitable: either the liquidation of cucks and neocons
as the GOP becomes the implicit party of white nationalism, or the liquidation of the GOP as such
at the hand of white nationalists.
The sooner either of these occur, the better it is going
to be for the majority white population in the US. Probably for the black and brown populations,
@ fudmier who posits that Americans have a problem.
I dare say that the problem Americans have is shared by the rest of the species. Society is
stuck in feudal mode at its core with its fealty to the powers of global private finance and those
who own it and have for centuries. The model of a few, unaccountable people, perpetuating the
God of Mammon religion of private property, inheritance to insure continuation and that some humans
are better than others inherently is a sick measure of what we think of as civilization.
All this shit going on is proxy manipulations like have been pursued by the elite for centuries.
Humanity needs to lose its private finance pilot and set sail with a commonly piloted future.
I think our solution is as simple or complicated as we want to make it.....its all about a
I have posited before here that the sewage treatment plants and water systems of the world
are not the problem. Those things represent social advances that have been built to support towns
and cities by governments.
I posit that government, by definition, is socialistic in purpose....and I further posit that
we have forgotten this and/or this definition has been twisted by others. I grew up in Tacoma,
Washington and had an uncle who was an engineer for the regional water/power SOCIALIST organization
that is still in existence today.
The reason I make that point is that I believe that by "simply" evolving the private finance/property/inheritance
component of our form of social organization we will immensely improve the incentives we live
We need to kill the God of Mammon. Who believes in this religion? Will humanity evolve past
fealty to this god?
Thanks for the Escobar link. The story makes great sense. It's good to know about Mercer and
to see that Trump and Bannon are tight. Oddly, it did seem that with all the jackals circling
around Trump's neck, in this one case, Bannon is more use outside the tent pissing in than inside
pissing out. And Breitbart has now received a massive profile lift, it'll become a national player
in the narrative, one would expect.
By the way, I was pondering lately this whole aspect of a grass roots movement. Funny you should
bring it up. The only question here about the US is, will the people actually get a voice in this
society? If the electoral system keeps bringing liars and betraying promises, then it's time to
Occupy the Ballot and have new movements. This is happening I think, with Trump actually being
one of the precursor litmus tests.
As for the generals, what does a ruler need except the people and the army? Trump has them
both. It makes him harder to take down with all those generals around. Of course, Caesar will
have to accord with his praetorian guard or the guard will get a new Caesar. But the US is a banana
republic now, this is how it's done - and I'm serious about this, these are real dynamics I think.
Surely the generals will end up being more conservative in action than in rhetoric? And if
they get a little giddy and actually send their soldiers out into the real world, they'll quickly
receive more of those globally public humiliations that are lowering the empire to the ground
so effectively. What can go wrong, that couldn't always go wrong anyway, regardless of who's in
charge, or thinks they're in charge?
Reflecting that b's post is actually about who's steering the ship.
Personally, I don't know - or give much weight to - whether Trump is driving his own train
here. The man shows an extraordinary plasticity, which is useful in the whirlwind that buffets
him. He can afford to entertain a million ideas, players and plans. He will outlive them all,
I suspect. Despite enormous gaffes, he stays afloat. It's not a Teflon thing, it's a buoyancy
thing, or something. Maybe it lies in the country being seen as so crazy and screwed up right
now that no one can claim the high ground, and meanwhile he is, after all the elected president,
and keeps showing up for work every day as if he's in charge.
I don't see the country as broken, unless the people accept this false narrative concocted
by the media about sides split by division. Admittedly, from all the arguing and attacking going
on in this thread, one could guess that maybe the false narrative will win.
But we could draw much comfort from the words of this young black woman, Red Pill Black, in
a 5 minute YouTube essay that has a quarter million views so far in the last 2 days. She makes
stunningly good sense - it's worth 5 minutes or your money back:
I Don't Care About Charlottesville,
the KKK, or White Supremacy
And I have some respect for the tide of history, and would challenge the notion that anyone
was ever really in charge anyway. And this is the great promise that I think Trump still holds.
I believe he will bend with the prevailing winds, within his belief system - and there are winds
stirring that no one controls, I think. History again. I can't prove it, or even point to it at
this stage, but I'm happy enough to wait.
Given that Trump's Inauguration speech included a promise to challenge the abusive power of the
Swamp/Deep State, anyone who expected something other than a Magical Mystery Tour, or imagined
that he would behave predictably, is utterly clueless about Leadership, Power, and the predictable
consequences of "throwing down the gauntlet."
Ever heard of the enclosure acts ? Do you know which wealthy propaganda artist and lobbyist
placed Art. I, Sec. 8, (8) in the US constitution? The Congress shall have the power ...to promote
the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors
the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries..." ?
Any idea how the patent and copyright clause has been used to force on the people of the world
the crime of kill and take, lie and steal everything from whomever capitalism? Imagine the monopoly
power the Wall Street Bandits can insert into corporations by raising enough money to enable the
corporation to acquire monopoly rights in any & all great ideas [THEY CAN OWN the marketing rights
and make the profits from ANYTHING ANYONES MIND CAN THINK UP]that can be reduced to objects than
can make money.
MONOPOLY POWER is a requirement of SUCCESSFUL CAPITALISM?
Patents and copyrights produce a great portion of the faults we are all so upset about. Americans
have a problem, the USA is not performing satisfactorily because those in charge of the USA respond
only to the global capitalist who have sufficient funds to purchase what they USA is selling.
Most Americans cannot afford to buy what the USA is selling?
Given the current level of hysteria, few people are going to check your facts. This is one
you can really have fun with. See how far you can push the paranoia. Make up elaborate
conspiracy theories. If you're not quite sure how to go about that, check The New York
Times or The Washington Post they're masters of that kind of thing.
Your anti-Nazi loyalty oath should definitely not include any of the following:
(1) Any mention of the Ukrainian Nazis that Obama, Clinton, and the rest of the Resistance
(before it was the Resistance, of course) helped regime-change the Ukrainian government when it
wouldn't play ball with the EU and NATO. Mentioning the Resistance's support of these Nazis
would only confuse those reading your oath, who might not understand that there are good Nazis
and bad Nazis, and who have probably forgotten how the US government smuggled a number of
actual Nazis (i.e., members of the NSDAP) into America after WWII or how, since the end of that
war, the United States has mass murdered countless millions of people all over the planet (but,
technically, not in a genocidal fashion, so that doesn't make us the same as Nazis).
(2) Actual membership figures on neo-Nazi and white supremacist groups, because those
figures are pathetically small. Doing this would make your loyalty oath (not to mention the
whole Nazi hysteria thing, generally) seem, if not paranoid, then at least absurd, or like part
of some manufactured effort to whip up support for a ruling class coup by waving Nazis in front
of everyone's faces. This would be extremely counterproductive. Remember, one of the primary
goals of the De-Putin-Nazification program is to convince the public that Richard Spencer (and
the handful of other insignificant idiots that the corporate media is showering with publicity)
is about to lead an overwhelming force of tiki torch-bearing neo-Nazis into the streets of
American cities to battle the hyper-militarized police, the national guard, and the US
military, or some other preposterous scenario like that.
(3) Any reference whatsoever to the corporatocracy that runs the country, and that normally
decides who can run for president, and which is currently making an example of Trump in order
to dissuade any future billionaires from having the audacity to fuck with them. You'll be
better off avoiding this subject entirely, as it only reminds folks how screwed they are, and
how, odds are, they're probably all worked up about something the corporate-owned media wanted
to get them all worked up about, neo-Nazis, Russian hackers, nuclear war with North Korea,
Syrian gas attacks, lone wolf terrorists, weapons of mass destruction, or whatever. Take it
from someone who's worked in show business. No one likes being made aware of how they are being
manipulated or provided with a binary set of officially acceptable contextual parameters within
which they can think and speak.
But don't worry too much about that binary stuff. There'll be plenty of time to get into all
that after we rid the world of these Nazis, and these racists, and all these Confederate
statues. And Trump, of course. That's the main thing getting rid of Donald Trump, and getting a
Democrat back in office. Oh, yeah and the books. We need to look at the books. God knows how
many Confederate books are still out there in the public libraries, and in people's homes,
where children can read them. We'll need to get to the books eventually.
In the meantime, focus on Priority One. Go hard on the Nazi hysteria, at least throughout
the rest of the weekend, after which they'll probably need to switch us back to the Russia
hysteria, or possibly the North Korea hysteria, or damn, see? Here I go with that contextual
parameter stuff again. I've really got to stop doing that. The last thing I need is to get
myself accused of being some kind of Nazi sympathizer, or Confederate apologist, or Russian
propagandist, or extremist, or terrorist, or, you know whatever.
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Indeed it is hysteria & the madness of crowds in the USA, to a degree never seen
before in our lifetimes
Perhaps the cleverness of Trump & others with him, is instinctively understanding
that, this hysteria cannot be directly defused given its elite & corp media support, but
now the fire must simply be left to run its course, until it burns itself out, in the end
forcing a widespread recognition of the absurdity, & enduring shame for those who
This may explain including such nominal feints such as the jettisoning of 'goy' top
advisor Steve Bannon to give the antifa etc hysterics more fuel for their fires
Interesting article by, of all people, David P Goldman aka 'Spengler' of Asia Times,
arguing that Donald Trump may at the moment be making an extremely clever riverboat gamble
Siding with the more common-sense ordinary people of both USA Democrat & Republican
political parties, as those parties implode and split into pieces, & possibly building a
new, core, more sensible political centre once the current hysteria has run its course
Trump will reach out to Democratic voters who are alienated from a leadership that has
devoted most of its energy to a radical social agenda instead of bread-and-butter
solutions, and he will appear to a majority of his own party. I do not know whether he will
succeed; if he does, the self-inflicted wounds to the erstwhile arbiters of American
opinion will be fatal.
'The Bloody Shirt of Charlottesville and its unintended consequences'
When all the Confederate Statutes are taken down, what replaces them?
The Anti-fascist replacement:go google photos of Hillary Clinton pick the Hillary Clinton
photo with Hillary wearing the most hideous of her pantsuits that's the one that will replace
General Lee .A statue of a psychopathic War Criminal bulldyke who was organized and gave the
order to mass murder Conservative Russian Christians in the Eastern Ukraine on behalf of
Hillary Clinton created Al QUEDA and ISIS .enabler of Ukraino Nazis ..
Hillary Clinton..the poster girl for the Antifa Tranny Freaks .and the cucked White
Protestant Male Ministers standing up to hate in Charlottesville
Nicely provocative, an essay that seems more likely than a lot published here to get
through to Americans not yet divided-and-conquered.
Another way to help people you know and care about to get beyond the TV-level dumbshittery
afflicting the country: posit whether ANY statue, plaque, etc., of ANY politician, military
"hero," or other person being thus celebrated for exercising governmental authority is worth
funding with taxation, much less squabbling over.
Yet another panic reaction to Charlottesville, I suppose. Small correction of fact: the
Ukrainian government wasn't overthrown when it wouldn't play ball with the EU and NATO. Quite
the contrary, indeed. It was when Yanukovych decided that he would sign the EU association
agreement that he was overthrown or, more correctly, that he simply fled. NATO was never an
issue. As with Mr Zuesse, the polemical style and the pro-Putin line suggest growing fear in
the pro-Putin camp.
Kenny Yet another panic reaction to Charlottesville, I suppose. Small correction of fact:
the Ukrainian government wasn't overthrown when it wouldn't play ball with the EU and NATO.
Quite the contrary, indeed. It was when Yanukovych decided that he would sign the EU
association agreement that he was overthrown or, more correctly, that he simply fled. NATO
was never an issue. As with Mr Zuesse, the polemical style and the pro-Putin line suggest
growing fear in the pro-Putin camp. As usual, you're dead wrong. Yanuvovich ultimately did
not sign the EU agreement:
The political provisions of the treaty were signed on 21 March 2014 after a series of
events that had stalled its ratification culminated in a revolution in Ukraine and
overthrow of the then incumbent President of Ukraine, Viktor Yanukovych. This ousting was
sparked by Yanukovych's refusal to sign the agreement.
As far as NATO is concerned, it is unlikely that Ukraine will be joining in the near
future, because of Transnistria and because it has two border disputes with Russia. But the
country can still be used as a cat's paw to get at Russia (just like Georgia under
Sakashvili), which is even better from Washington's point of view, since they don't even have
to give the Ukies any security guarantees if they get into trouble with Russia (again, just
like Georgia under Sakashvili).
You are right, hypocrisy rules. What else is new? Civil war has nothing to do with what
happened in Charlottesville. These monuments stood for ~100 years or longer and caused no
violence. It is important to face this fact, as well as the fact that the violence in
Charlottesville was started by self-proclaimed "liberals". Considering how shamelessly they
push lies in the media and how they violently suppress any opinion that differs from theirs,
these "liberals" are anything but. What we are witnessing is yet another string of
provocations by those who are sore that their beloved mad witch spent twice as much money as
Trump and lost. Mind you, I am no fan of Trump, but I don't trust that lying corrupt to the
core "alternative" an inch. As far as Hillary is concerned, from my viewpoint her gender does
not matter. What matters is massive fraud in the Democratic primaries (that's why Debbie
Wasserman-Schulz resigned as a head of DNC in 2016 right before the convention she presumably
prepared), as well as the fact that Hillary never gave a speech w/o at least $100,000
"speaking fee", took vast amounts of money from the most unsavory sources, including Saudi
Arabia (the same one that murders people by public beheading with a curved sword, exactly
like ISIS, and keeps murdering hundreds of civilians in Yemen), and was openly supported by
the most notorious neocons from both parties. I would not trust a male with this kind of
Trump's words that removal of monuments is "sad" and "so foolish" arguably are his first
intelligent utterance in months. History does not change no matter what people do, and it has
a way of punishing those who forget or try to erase it. Only cowardly scum fights monuments.
I am deeply ashamed that some scenes from my country resemble those earlier seen in hopeless
basket cases, like present-day Ukraine.
Look, events in Boston vindicating the Alt Right narrative in Charlottesville.
All the violence is instigated by 'counter-protesters', as the globalist CBS calls
They are Antifanissary thugs and lunatics who oppose free speech and side with Wall Street
and the War State.
I'm glad this event happened. At this event, there were no Confed flags, no one with Nazi
flag, and no extremists.
There were only patriots defending free speech, but the Antifanissary scum attack just the
Trump should talk about this.
Globalist War on Free Speech and Free Assembly.
Barking dogs on leash who can't tolerate the howl of free wolves.
Thank the Police on this. The State, in this case, defended those defending freedom of
speech and assembly.
But the Corporations will all side with PC Proglodytes.
But there will be blowback. Just like the Jihadis supported by the US turned on the West,
these Antifa scum will turn around and bite the corpies.
In a way, the bogeyman of 'nazi' is very useful to corporations. Capitalists know that the
Far Left hates them and wanna smash windows, burn down Starbucks, create havoc in upscale
cities like Seattle, and etc. And capitalists fear BLM and black thugs too.
If 'nazis' didn't exist, these restless Antifa and BLM would likely be doing Occupy Wall
Street, rioting in gentrified parts of town, attacking yuppies and hipsters, and attacking
But if there are 'nazis' as bogeyman, the corporations can direct all Antifa and BLM rage
at the 'white supremacists' who actually have no power and wealth.
Also, as having sponsored the Antifa and BLM, the corpies hope that the far-left and black
thugs will be grateful and not attack them.
But there is blowback sometime down the line. you've made an important point, Priss:
"Nazi," "Hitler," "Swastika" and "Holocaust ™ " are brands created by and for
corporate interests; the narrative behind these brands does NOT represent history, it is the
product of Bernays/hasbara. That is, its basic appeal is to emotion, deliberately bypassing
reason and critical analysis.
Corporatists, zionists and Jews *** are striking back as hard as they are, and attempting
to associate "hate" with "Nazi" as often as they can, in an exercise in Brand Spanking: as
Sam Shama let slip the other day, spanking the Nazi etc. brand is essential because more and
more people are waking up
Charlottesville was, indeed, a set-up: some PR shop managed the affair and cucksertive
media are following the script to a Tee.
On C Span on Aug 15, John McArdle hosted an exercise in propaganda so obvious you have to
wonder if UVa might consider rescinding his diploma. McArdle invited callers to opine on
Trump's statement on the C'ville events; in the 61 minute program, he spoke the word "hate"
41 times: once every 90 seconds.
"Hate" was associated with "white" at every opportunity.
If a caller failed to link "hate" with "white/supremacists/nationalist," McArdle prompted
them to do so.
The history of the era of the European-Jewish wars is a radically different entity from
Before the history can be made more fully consistent with reality ! an absolute essential
for a the "well informed citizens" in a representative form of government ! the "Nazi" etc.
brands have got to be torn apart: shattered, fragmented.
One of Eddie Bermays's first triumphs was to persuade elite women that smoking cigarettes
Years and many deaths later, cigarettes now carry a warning from the Surgeon General that
cigarettes can kill you.
The same thing has to happen to the deadly way the Jewish PR/media has bastardized "Nazi"
Hitler" "Swastika" .
It must be made clear in every instance that the people who inserted the toxic ingredients
in those brands had only their own revenue stream in view, and not full and truthful
information for the American public.
*** Jews ! and they can be named & should be shamed ! were at the vanguard of branding
"Nazi" "Hitler" and "Swastika" with the epithet Hate nearly a decade before a single
hair on a Jewish head was so much as mussed: James Waterman Wise, son of Rabbi Stephen Wise,
published a book titled "Swastika" in about May, 1933.
The book opened with the declaration that "the swastika represents hatred of the Jew."
I've listened to nearly a 24-hour day's worth of C Span programming about Charlottesville;
I've heard "hate" and "Nazi" and "KKK" and "white supremacy" said so many time my ears are
numb and my cerebral cortex overdosed.
I have NOT heard, in all that C Span programming, one, single, solitary guest or
journo-phoner discuss what Robert E. Lee stood for; or his correspondence with Lord Acton,
about the necessity of state sovereignty to guard against an oppressive centralized power
that could take a country to war with no bulwark against its force.
Incredibly ! and I have to post this for all to see: a Jewish woman called C Span to
complain that Jewish interests were not represented in C Span programming on
Here's what she said:
Moderator: Let's go to Virginia Beach, Virginia; Betty is on the line for Democrats:
BETTY: Good morning. Thank you for C Span. I want to say one thing. The two gentlemen
you just had on were fine, *** but I'm extremely disappointed because I happen to be Jewish
and I was in Connecticut, which I'm originally from Newtown, Connecticut [and spent ] the
last weekend there visiting my family there.
I heard more news when I got home. But what I'm disappointed about ! I don't know if C Span
ever invited ! I know you've had Jewish people on talking before, but with the
Charlottesville thing, I don't know if you've invited anybody from the Anti Defamation
League or a rabbi or some other Jewish person to come on, representing a group, because
it's awful with the KKK but it's also awful with these Nazis marching ! Nazis marching down
in Charlottesville! Both groups are – are- are terrible. It was a horrible thing to
see such a thing in 2017 in the United States of America.
And one other thing, and I mean, these other networks, I mean, I don't just sit home and
watch TV but I watch C Span, I watch CNN, I watch MSNBC quite a bit !
I haven't seen too many uh Jewish commentators come out and talk. And I really I appreciate
and respect the Black commentators that have come on, but I don't know why there hasn't
just! Let me make one more comment please:
All the Jews and people of color that are in ! I don't think there's too many, but the ones
that are in the Trump administration really should resign after what he said.
I'm glad Steve Bannon is gone. But he uh he uh Trump himself in my opinion is a sympathizer
to these groups, that's how I feel, I mean that's how I feel.
And just, I mean, y'know uh uh they're wimps, and especially his son-in-law. He's supposed
to be an Orthodox Jew? No, I'm not even a religious Jew, but I mean in my heart, that's
what I am. But I mean, he's a wimp! He shouldn't be in there with his father-in-law! He
should get up and walk out! That's how I feel.
And real quick !I was so proud to get a letter from President Obama ! I was always going to
write him ! I always been a big supporter of his from the very very beginning. And uh I
wrote him a letter before he left office, and now I have a framed letter from President
Obama on my wall and I'm very very grateful for that.
Thank you very much for allowing me to make my comments.I00:10:04
Mod. Geoff Bennett: Thank you for your suggestion about our programming. We will take it
In fact, several persons who are "Jewish in their hearts" (or at least their names)
appeared on C Span to explain the many sins of the "white supremacists."
At least Bannon does not look like a sociopath as Hillary "We came, we saw he died" and her
inner cicle. He has some concerns about South koreian population, dying for US empire
"... "Until somebody solves the part of the equation that shows me that ten million people in Seoul don't die in the first 30 minutes from conventional weapons, I don't know what you're talking about, there's no military solution here, they got us." ..."
... [in] an Aug. 16 interview he initiated with a writer
with whom he had never spoken, with the progressive publication The American Prospect. In it,
Mr. Bannon mockingly played down the American military threat to North Korea as nonsensical:
"Until somebody solves the part of the equation that shows me that ten million people in
Seoul don't die in the first 30 minutes from conventional weapons, I don't know what you're
talking about, there's no military solution here, they got us."
He also bad-mouthed his colleagues in the Trump administration, vowed to oust a female
diplomat at the State Department and mocked officials as "wetting themselves" over the
consequences of radically changing trade policy.
"... He was then moved quickly to contain the influence of chief strategist Steve Bannon, who McMaster removed from the National Security Council. If you recall, he was appointed to contain other Trump loyalists such as Michael Flynn, as well. ..."
"... Recently, a campaign accusing him of being anti-Israel has been waged with the support of billionaire Sheldon Adelson by a coalition of alt-right nationalists that includes Steve Bannon ..."
Remember Lieutenant-General Herbert Raymond McMaster? He was appointed as President Trump's national
security adviser back in February. He was then moved quickly to contain the influence of chief
strategist Steve Bannon, who McMaster removed from the National Security Council. If you recall,
he was appointed to contain other Trump loyalists such as Michael Flynn, as well.
Recently, a campaign accusing him of being anti-Israel has been waged with the support of
billionaire Sheldon Adelson by a coalition of alt-right nationalists that includes Steve Bannon
and extreme right-wing Zionists such as the president of the Zionist Organization of America, Morton
Klein, as well as by Israeli journalist Caroline Glick from the Jerusalem Post. President Trump,
in response to all of this, called McMaster "a good man, very pro-Israel," and Israeli officials
have also come forward calling McMaster a friend of Israel.
On to talk about these connections and tensions is Shir Hever. Shir is a Real News correspondent
in Heidelberg, Germany. Of course, he covers Israel and Palestine for us extensively. I thank you
so much for joining us, Shir.
SHIR HEVER: Thanks for having me, Sharmini.
SHARMINI PERIES: Shir, President Trump is now six months into his office as president. He initially
has appointed his son-in-law, Jared Kushner, to take up the Israel file, but there are these allegations
flying against General McMaster. Explain to us what's going on. Why are these individuals like Sheldon
Adelson even concerned about how Trump is responding in terms of Israel and Israel policy?
SHIR HEVER: I think there's very little that General McMaster can actually do about Israel or
against Israel. It really doesn't matter much. The only issue that has come up was the Iran nuclear
deal, and I think this is going to be a decision taken directly by President Trump and not by McMaster.
Also, what exactly is the Israel interest regarding the Iran nuclear deal? It is not so clear. Obviously,
Prime Minister Netanyahu has a certain opinion, but other Israeli politicians have other opinions.
I think this is really a symbolic issue. There are people in the alt-right and also the extreme Zionism
who are using this old worn-out accusation that somebody is anti-Israel in order to get their own
people into the National Security Council, in order to exert influence on the Trump administration.
This coalition between extreme right nationalists, white nationalists in the United States, and Jewish
Zionists, which traditionally were on opposing sides, are now working together because of this very
strange rise of this alt-right.
SHARMINI PERIES: All right. Now, give us a greater sense of the connection or the tensions between
these alt-right organizations and McMaster and Bannon. Map this for us.
SHIR HEVER: Yeah. I've been looking through these accusations that Caroline Glick, deputy editor
of the Jerusalem Post, and Steve Bannon himself, and also Morton Klein of the Zionist Organization
of America. What problem do they have with McMaster? They make very vague things about some statements
that he made, but they couldn't put them in context. He said that Israel is an occupying power. Of
course, Israel is an occupying power, but they couldn't place that statement. The only thing that
their criticism boils down to is they say McMaster is a remnant of the Obama administration. He continues
the Obama policies, and therefore he's not loyal to Trump.
I think this is the crux of the matter, because actually, for people like Caroline Glick and I
think also for Sheldon Adelson, their relation to Trump borders on religious. They consider Trump
to be some kind of messiah or savior that will allow Israel once and for all to annex the occupied
territory, expand its borders, and then the land will be redeemed. They talk about this in religious
Here's the problem. Trump has been president for six months now, and Israel did not annex the territory.
It did not expand its borders. In fact, it has gone from one crisis to the next, and the Israeli
government is not able to cement its power over the Palestinians. Palestinian resistance is not tied
down. They're looking for an explanation. The explanation is that something is not pure in the Trump
administration, and they're pointing the finger at McMaster saying, "Because of people like him who
are sabotaging Trump's own policies from the inside, then this is preventing the Trump administration
from reaching its full potential."
SHARMINI PERIES: Right. Obviously, Netanyahu and the Israeli government doesn't agree with this
assessment. In fact, they have come out supporting McMaster as being a good supporter of Israel.
How does this play out here?
SHIR HEVER: Absolutely. Prime Minister Netanyahu is doing real politics. He knows that there's nothing
that President Trump can do that will actually make Israel suddenly conquer more territory. That's
not the point. Netanyahu is trying to balance a very complicated system with pressure from different
points, and he is a populist, and he's only in power because of his populism. Now, his administration
is under threat because of corruption allegations, so this is a problem for him. When people expect
that the Trump administration will free his hands to do whatever he wants, Netanyahu suddenly has
a problem because he needs to come up with a new excuse. Why doesn't he annex all the occupied territory?
Of course, for him, it's not a good time to get into a fight with the Trump administration. He
wants to create the impression that things are happening under the surface, that he is in the know,
that his friends are involved in this, but I think the fact that Sheldon Adelson, the big financial
supporter of Netanyahu, is now switching to support extreme right groups that have nothing to do
with the interests of the Israeli current administration, but are actually trying to push the Israeli
administration to move further to the extreme right and to annex territory, that puts Netanyahu in
trouble. I think it also spells some clouds over the warm relationship between Netanyahu and Adelson.
SHARMINI PERIES: Coming back to this side of things here in the United States, in light of the events
of Charlottesville, Shir, showing a direct link between the alt-right and hardcore racists and neo-Nazis,
why would extreme right-wing Zionist Jewish organizations and individuals like Glick and Klein agree
to cooperate with the alt-right in this way?
SHIR HEVER: I think people on the left tend to forget that, just like the left considers itself
to be a kind of universalist movement, and that leftists around the world should have solidarity
with each other, the right also has a kind of solidarity, especially the extreme right. Extreme right
movements in different countries consider the extreme right in other countries to be their allies.
One of the things we saw in Charlottesville is that some of these neo-Nazi groups and white nationalist
groups are big supporters of Bashar Al-Assad in Syria, because they see him as the kind of strong
leader they would like to see in the United States as well.
For people who see Donald Trump talking about America first, then they're saying, "Okay, that's exactly
the kind of administration we want to see in Israel, somebody taking about Israel first." For Caroline
Gluck or for a Morton Klein, they are willing to accept a very heavy load of racism and even anti-semitism
against Jews from the Trump administration and from its supporters in exchange for being allowed
to copy that same kind of racism and that same kind of right-wing policy towards their minorities.
Just like the American administration has its minorities, Muslims, Mexicans which are being targeted,
Israel also has its minorities, Palestinians and asylum-seekers, and they want those people to be
targeted in the same harsh language and the same harsh policies, so that we can [inaudible] a great
I have to say, the events in Charlottesville had a profound impact on Israeli public opinion.
In fact, there are a lot of Israelis who are very concerned about this kind of coalition. They are
saying, "No, there's not that much that we're willing to take in order to keep the relations with
the Trump administration on good footing." Because of that, the president of Israel, President Rivlin,
and also the education minister Naftali Bennett issued statements condemning white nationalists and
neo-Nazis in Charlottesville. I think Naftali Bennett, who is the head of the Jewish Nationalist
Party in Israel, and he's actually of the same political camp as Caroline Glick, as Morton Klein,
when he makes that statement, that shows that even he thinks that they have gone too far.
SHARMINI PERIES: Interesting analysis, Shir. I thank you so much for joining us today. I guess the
situation in Charlottesville is evolving, and it would be interesting to continue to keep an eye
on what's developing here against what's happening in Israel as well. Thank you so much.
SHIR HEVER: Thank you, Sharmini.
SHARMINI PERIES: Thank you for joining us here on the Real News Network.
Confusing, at least to me, in any case I believe that the Zionists learned a lot from the Nazis
and there is very little difference between the two groups. I would say that the main difference
lies in the fact that the Zionists are sneakier and know how to play with popular opinion. That's
why it doesn't surprise me that they are making a common cause with the white supremacists groups.
The only surprise here is that they are doing it openly now. They have become brave and have
decided to take the backlash. Perhaps they are doing so because they know they have the support
Divide and conquer. Soon we will be fighting on our own streets against each other. It will
be the death of the US...
"For Caroline Gluck or for a Morton Klein, they are willing to accept a very heavy load of
racism and even anti-semitism against Jews from the Trump administration and from its supporters
in exchange for being allowed to copy that same kind of racism and that same kind of right-wing
policy towards their minorities."
I have great respect for Shir Hever, he has great insight into Israel society and politics.
However, his statement that Klein and Glick (and maybe Adelson) want to be "allowed" to copy Trump's
supporter's racism and right-wing policies towards minorities in Israel is beyond hilarious. Minorities
in Israel have been and continue to be subjected to racist and supremacist policies (much worse
than anything Trump supporters can even imagine) by the Zionists since the theft of Palestinian's
land in 1948. The Israelis are not just pursuing racist policies but as Israeli historian Ilan
Pappe said, they are committing slow motion genocide against the Palestinians.
"White House Chief of Staff John Kelly and Steve Bannon have mutually agreed today would be Steve's
last day," the White House press secretary, Sarah Huckabee Sanders, said in a statement. "We are
grateful for his service and wish him the best."
... ... ...
On Tuesday at Trump Tower in New York, Mr. Trump refused to guarantee Mr. Bannon's job security
but defended him as "not a racist" and "a friend." "We'll see what happens with Mr. Bannon," Mr.
Trump said. Mr. Bannon's dismissal followed an Aug. 16 interview he initiated with a writer with
whom he had never spoken, with the progressive publication The American Prospect.
In it, Mr. Bannon mockingly played down the American military threat to North Korea as nonsensical:
"Until somebody solves the part of the equation that shows me that 10 million people in Seoul don't
die in the first 30 minutes from conventional weapons, I don't know what you're talking about, there's
no military solution here, they got us." He also bad-mouthed his colleagues in the Trump administration,
vowed to oust a diplomat at the State Department and mocked officials as "wetting themselves" over
the consequences of radically changing trade policy.
Of the far right, he said, "These guys are a collection of clowns," and he called it a "fringe
element" of "losers." "We gotta help crush it," he said in the interview, which people close to Mr.
Bannon said he believed was off the record. Privately, several White House officials said that Mr.
Bannon appeared to be provoking Mr. Trump and that they did not see how the president could keep
him on after the interview was published.
"Julian Assange told a U.S. congressman on Tuesday he can prove the leaked Democratic Party
documents he published during last year's election did not come from Russia and promised additional
helpful information about the leaks in the near future."
Assange has maintained all along that the Russians had nothing to do with procuring the DNC/Podesta
emails, despite the intelligence community's assertions – offered without evidence – that Vladimir
Putin personally approved the alleged "hack." Yet credible challenges to this view have
emerged in recent days,
including from a group of former intelligence officials, that throw considerable doubt on the
idea that there was even a "hack" to begin with. "Pressed for more detail on the source of the documents,"
says The Hill ,
"Rohrabacher said he had information to share privately with President Trump. 'Julian also
indicated that he is open to further discussions regarding specific information about the DNC email
incident that is currently unknown to the public,' he said."
What this looks like is an attempt by Assange to negotiate with the US government over his current
status as a political prisoner: he has been confined to the Ecuadorian embassy in London for many
years. Hanging over him is the threat of arrest should he leave and his rendition to the United States
to face charges. Could he be making a bid for freedom, offering to provide evidence of how he got
his hands on the DNC/Podesta emails in exchange for a pardon?
Rohrabacher, who has a history as a libertarian fellow traveler, has been the target of a smear
campaign due to his unwillingness to go along with the Russophobic hysteria that's all the rage in
Washington, D.C. these days. Politico attacked him in a piece calling him "Putin's favorite
congressman," and "news" accounts of this meeting with Assange invariably mention his "pro-Russian"
views – as if a desire to get along with Russia is in itself somehow "subversive."
It's a brave stance to take when even the ostensibly libertarian and anti-interventionist Cato
Institute has jumped on the hate-on-Russia bandwagon. Cato
cut their ties to former Czech Republic president Vaclav Klaus because he refused to accept the
War Party's line on the US-sponsored Ukrainian coup that overthrew the country's democratically elected
chief of state. But it gets worse.
Here 's Cato senior
fellow Andrei Illarionov saying we are already at war with Russia:
"First of all, it is necessary to understand that this is a war. This is not a joke, this is
not an accident, this is not a mistake, this is not a bad dream. It will not go away by itself. This
is a war. As in any war, you either win or lose. And it is up to you what choice you will make."
And it's not just a cold war: the conflict must, says Illarionov, contain a military element:
"First, in purely military area, it is quite clear that victory in this war cannot be achieved
without serious adjustments made to the existing military doctrine. Certainly, soft power is wonderful,
but by itself it does not deter the use of force."
While the rest of the country is going about its business with nary a thought about Russia, in
Washington the craziness is pandemic. Which is why Democratic National Committee spokeswoman Adrienne
Watson felt safe vomiting up the usual bile in response to Rohrabacher's initiative: "We'll take
the word of the US intelligence community over Julian Assange and Putin's favorite Congressman."
The power of groupthink inside the Washington Beltway has energized both the neo-cold warrior
epitomized by the imposition of yet more sanctions ! and the "Russia-gate" hoax to the point
where it is unthinkable for anyone to challenge either. Yet Rohrabacher, whom I don't always agree
with, has the balls to stand up to both, and for that he should be supported.
Assange has stubbornly resisted revealing anything about the provenance of the DNC/Podesta emails,
allowing the CIA/NSA to claim that it was the Russians who "hacked the election," and also giving
them a free hand to smear WikiLeaks as an instrument of the Kremlin. This meeting with Rohrabacher,
and the promise of revelations to come, indicate that he is reconsidering his stance – and that we
are on the verge of seeing "Russia-gate" definitively debunked.
We here at Antiwar.com have challenged the "mainstream" media's wholesale swallowing of the government's
line from the very beginning. That's because there hasn't been one iota of solid proof for blaming
the Russians, or even for the assertion that the DNC was "hacked." We don't accept government pronouncements
at face value: indeed, we don't accept the "conventional wisdom" at face value, either. We always
ask the question: "
Ethnic nationalism rises when the state and the nation experience economic difficulties. Weimar
republic is a classic example here.
"... That's exactly nationalism, for sure. The work of that wealth creation by the way is done by the all the classes below the rentier class, from working to middle class. The funneling upwards thing is actually theft. ..."
"... The middle class is shrinking and being pushed down closer to rage because the wealth-stealing mechanisms have become bigger and better, and saturated the entire national system, including its electoral politics. This real face of capitalism has driven out the iconic American Dream, which was the essence of upward mobility. ..."
"... Nationalism is an ugly word, but it's easily reached for when there aren't any better words around. In Russia, they already went through what faces the US, and they figured it out. ..."
"... "In our view, faster growth is necessary but not sufficient to restore higher intergenerational income mobility," they wrote. "Evidence suggests that, to increase income mobility, policymakers should focus on raising middle-class and lower-income household incomes." ..."
"... Advocating smoothed-out relations with Russia (for commercial perso reasons, Tillerson, etc. and a need to grade adversaries and accept some into the fold, like Russia, instead of Iran ), a more level playing field, multi-polar world, to actually become more dominant in trade (China etc.) and waste less treasure on supporting enemies, aka proxy stooges, to no purpose (e.g. Muslim brotherhood, Al Q kooks, ISIS) and possibly even Israel ! hmmm. ..."
"... The old guard will do much to get rid of the upstart and his backers (who they are exactly I'd quite like to know?) as all their positions and revenues are at risk ..."
"... The Trump crowd seems at the same time both vulnerable and determined and thus navigating à vue as the F say, by sight and without a plan An underground internal war which is stalemated, leading to instrumentalising the ppl and creating chaos, scandals, etc. ..."
The US has no problem generating wealth, and has no need to force conflict with China. The
US's problem is that that wealth is funneled upwards. Wealth inequality is not a meme. "Shrinking
middle class" is a euphemism for downward-mobility of the middle class, an historical incubator
for Reaction. And that's what we have here, reactionaries from a middle class background who now
are earning less than their parents at menial jobs, or who are unemployed, becoming goons; aping
the klan, appropriating nazi icons, blaming the foreigner, the negro, the Jew, the Muslim, for
their circumstances. A "trade war" will not help them one iota, it will make their lives worse,
and Bannon will go out and say it's the fault of the foreigner and the immigrant, their numbers
wool swell. More terror, depper culture wars. I suppose that's nationalism to some people.
That's exactly nationalism, for sure. The work of that wealth creation by the way is done
by the all the classes below the rentier class, from working to middle class. The funneling
upwards thing is actually theft.
The middle class is shrinking and being pushed down closer to rage because the wealth-stealing
mechanisms have become bigger and better, and saturated the entire national system, including
its electoral politics. This real face of capitalism has driven out the iconic American Dream,
which was the essence of upward mobility.
Nationalism is an ugly word, but it's easily reached for when there aren't any better words
around. In Russia, they already went through what faces the US, and they figured it out.
Since we're looking for the grown-ups, let's turn to Vladimir Putin, always reliable for sanity
when direction is lost.
Putin recalled the words of outstanding Soviet Russian scholar Dmitry Likhachev that patriotism
drastically differs from nationalism. "Nationalism is hatred of other peoples, while patriotism
is love for your motherland," Putin cited his words.
"In our view, faster growth is necessary but not sufficient to restore higher intergenerational
income mobility," they wrote. "Evidence suggests that, to increase income mobility, policymakers
should focus on raising middle-class and lower-income household incomes."
Interventions worth considering include universal preschool and greater access to public
universities, increasing the minimum wage, and offering vouchers to help families with kids
move from poor neighborhoods into areas with better schools and more resources, they said.
Is there any political party or group in the US that suggests this?
The Corporate "fascist" - with grains of salt - USA. The 'democracy' part is fiction, camouflaged
via a fools theatre two-party system and ginormous social re-distribution, amongst others..
the Core (PTB) found itself through miscalculation and loss of power subject to a challenger
who broke thru the \organised/ fake elections, to attempt some kind of re-adjustement - renewal
- re-set - review...
Advocating smoothed-out relations with Russia (for commercial perso reasons, Tillerson,
etc. and a need to grade adversaries and accept some into the fold, like Russia, instead of Iran
), a more level playing field, multi-polar world, to actually become more dominant in trade (China
etc.) and waste less treasure on supporting enemies, aka proxy stooges, to no purpose (e.g. Muslim
brotherhood, Al Q kooks, ISIS) and possibly even Israel ! hmmm.
Heh, the profits of domination are to be organised, extracted and distributed, differently.
One Mafia-type tribe taking over from another! Ivanka will be The Sweet First Woman Prezzie! Style,
Heart, Love, Looks! Go!
The old guard will do much to get rid of the upstart and his backers (who they are exactly
I'd quite like to know?) as all their positions and revenues are at risk, so they are activating
all - anything to attack. The Trump crowd seems at the same time both vulnerable and determined
and thus navigating à vue as the F say, by sight and without a plan An underground internal
war which is stalemated, leading to instrumentalising the ppl and creating chaos, scandals, etc.
"... Bannon's removal does not just remove from the White House a cunning political strategist. It also removes the one senior official in the Trump administration who had any pretensions to be an ideologist and an intellectual. ..."
"... n saying I should say that I for one do not rate Bannon as an ideologist and intellectual too highly. Whilst there can be no doubt of Bannon's media and campaigning skills, his ideological positions seem to me a mishmash of ideas – some more leftist than rightist – rather than a coherent platform. I also happen to think that his actual influence on the President has been hugely exaggerated. Since the inauguration I have not seen much evidence either of Bannon's supposed influence on the President or of his famed political skills. ..."
"... The only occasion where it did seem to me that Bannon exercised real influence was in shaping the text of the speech the President delivered during his recent trip to Poland. ..."
"... I have already made known my views of this speech . I think it was badly judged – managing to annoy both the Germans and the Russians at the same time – mistaken in many of its points, and the President has derived no political benefit from it. ..."
"... As for Bannon's alleged political skills, he has completely failed to shield the President from the Russiagate scandal and appears to me to have done little or nothing to hold the President's electoral base together, with Bannon having been almost invisible since the inauguration. ..."
"... The US's core electorate is becoming increasingly alienated from its political class; elements of the security services are openly operating independently of political control, and are working in alliance with sections of the Congress and the media – both now also widely despised – to bring down a constitutionally elected President, who they in turn despise. ..."
"... The only institution of the US state that still seems to be functioning as normal, and which appears to have retained a measure of public respect and support, is the military, which politically speaking seems increasingly to be calling the shots. ..."
announcement of the 'resignation' of White House Chief Strategist Steve Bannon represents the
culmination of a process which began with the equally forced 'resignation' of President Trump's first
National Security Adviser General Michael Flynn.
Individuals who were close to Donald Trump during his successful election campaign and who largely
framed its terms – people like Bannon and Flynn – have been picked off one by one.
Taking their place is a strange coalition of former generals and former businessmen of essentially
conventional Republican conservative views, which is cemented around three former generals who between
them now have the levers of powers in their hands: General Kelly, the President's new Chief of Staff,
General H.R. McMaster, his National Security Adviser, and General Mattis, the Secretary of Defense.
In the case of Bannon, it is his clear that his ousting was insisted on by General Kelly, who
continuing to tighten his control of the White House.
Bannon's removal – not coincidentally – has come at the same time that General H.R. McMaster is
completing his purge of the remaining Flynn hold-overs on the staff of the National Security
Bannon's removal does not just remove from the White House a cunning political strategist.
It also removes the one senior official in the Trump administration who had any pretensions to be
an ideologist and an intellectual.
I n saying I should say that I for one do not rate Bannon as an ideologist and intellectual
too highly. Whilst there can be no doubt of Bannon's media and campaigning skills, his ideological
positions seem to me a mishmash of ideas – some more leftist than rightist – rather than a coherent
platform. I also happen to think that his actual influence on the President has been hugely exaggerated.
Since the inauguration I have not seen much evidence either of Bannon's supposed influence on the
President or of his famed political skills.
Bannon is sometimes credited as being the author of the President's two travel ban Executive Orders.
I am sure this wrong. The Executive Orders clearly originate with the wishes of the President himself.
If Bannon did have any role in them – which is possible – it would have been secondary to the President's
own. I would add that in that case Bannon must take some of the blame for the disastrously incompetent
execution of the first of these two Executive Orders, which set the scene for the legal challenges
The only occasion where it did seem to me that Bannon exercised real influence was in shaping
the text of the speech the President delivered during his recent trip to Poland.
I have already
made known my views
of this speech . I think it was badly judged – managing to annoy both the Germans and the Russians
at the same time – mistaken in many of its points, and the President has derived no political benefit
However it is the closest thing to an ideological statement the President has made since he took
office, and Bannon is widely believed – probably rightly – to have written it.
As for Bannon's alleged political skills, he has completely failed to shield the President
from the Russiagate scandal and appears to me to have done little or nothing to hold the President's
electoral base together, with Bannon having been almost invisible since the inauguration.
In view of Bannon's ineffectiveness since the inauguration I doubt that his removal will make
any difference to the Trump administration's policies or to the support the President still has from
his electoral base, most of whose members are unlikely to know much about Bannon anyway.
It is in a completely different respect – one wholly independent of President Trump's success
or failure as President – that the events of the last few weeks give cause for serious concern.
The events of the last year highlight the extent to which the US is in deep political crisis.
The US's core electorate is becoming increasingly alienated from its political class; elements
of the security services are openly operating independently of political control, and are working
in alliance with sections of the Congress and the media – both now also widely despised – to bring
down a constitutionally elected President, who they in turn despise.
All this is happening at the same time that there is growing criticism of the economic institutions
of the US government, which since the 2008 financial crisis have seemed to side with a wealthy and
unprincipled minority against the interests of the majority.
The only institution of the US state that still seems to be functioning as normal, and which
appears to have retained a measure of public respect and support, is the military, which politically
speaking seems increasingly to be calling the shots.
It is striking that the only officials President Trump can nominate to senior positions who do
not immediately run into bitter opposition have been – apart from General Flynn, who was a special
case – senior soldiers.
Now the military in the persons of Kelly, McMaster and Mattis find themselves at the heart of
the US government to an extent that has never been true before in US history, even during the Presidencies
of former military men like Andrew Jackson, Ulysses Grant or Dwight Eisenhower.
The last time that happened in a major Western nation – that the civilian institutions of the
state had become so dysfunctional that the military as the only functioning institution left ended
up dominating the nation's government and deciding the nation's policies – was in Germany in the
lead up to the First World War.
Time will show what the results will be this time, but the German example is hardly a reassuring
"... We were the sole superpower, Earth's hyperpower, its designated global sheriff, the architect of our planetary future. After five centuries of great power rivalries, in the wake of a two-superpower world that, amid the threat of nuclear annihilation, seemed to last forever and a day (even if it didn't quite make it 50 years), the United States was the ultimate survivor, the victor of victors, the last of the last. It stood triumphantly at the end of history. In a lottery that had lasted since Europe's wooden ships first broke out of a periphery of Eurasia and began to colonize much of the planet, the United States was the chosen one, the country that would leave every imperial world-maker from the Romans to the British in its shadow. ..."
"... Engelhardt still doesn't understand that 911 was supposed to (and did) solidify the justification for the expansion of The American Century since we now made our own rules and reality. ..."
"... The Bannon interview is fascinating, but don't forget that he's a strategist: He says what he thinks will serve his purpose, not necessarily what he believes. ..."
"... Now he's gone, whether for good time will tell. And Trump is looking rather isolated. If he feels his position becomes too complicated or even untenable, he might do 'stupid stuff' - and as I mentioned earlier, this may be just what the Neocons want: With the US decline accelerating both internally and globally, 'war' may seem the last option to them. But of course, they don't want the blame - they want to be able to say 'see, we told you he's crazy, but you didn't listen.' Difficult times. ..."
Well, with Bannon gone who will have most influence over Trump now? Will the rest of the
Alt-Righters stay at the White House? Hhhmmm...
Meanwhile, while the MCM (mainstream corporate media) is unable to focus on more that one
or two things, Trump has signed an executivve order which will have real work consequences as
sea levels rise. Under Obama, a rule was developed to require infrastructure projects to
consider the effects of global warming on flooding, effects of storms, etc. Now, developers
are free to build what and where they want, with no consideration for the possible damage
which might destroy those projects in the future.
Throw-away society on a grand --and expensive-- scale.
Presumably, Bannon's mouth ( American Prospect interview) got him fired--requested to
resign--at the instigation of Chief of Staff Gen. Kelly, with it being spun nicely: "Kelly
and Bannon "have mutually agreed today would be Steve's last day," White House press
secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said in a statement. 'We are grateful for his service and
wish him the best.'" https://www.rt.com/usa/400175-trump-fires-bannon-strategist/
When Trump got elected, I thought the best outcome would be total gridlock in DC; and
in some ways, that's what's occurred. Yet, as The Saker points out, something's afoot if the
propaganda published by Newsweek--which is owned by Bezos--is any indication.
It's Friday. The Syrian Army is making huge gains. Congress is in recess. And the
weather forecast for Monday's eclipse here on the Oregon coast is looking positive--no
Mattis to back Kiev's claim to Crimea during Ukraine visit
US Defense Secretary James Mattis will visit Ukraine next week and reassure the government
in Kiev that the US still considers Crimea a part of the country's territory, the Pentagon
said. Mattis will tell Kiev the US is "firmly committed to the goal of restoring Ukraine's
sovereignty and territorial integrity."
@96, I view this as part of an effort to push back against anti Iran pro Israel hard liners.
First with Flynn, then McMaster forcing out Flynn allies, and now Bannon. Not that McMaster
and his people are not pro Israel or possess any redeeming qualities, but it is important to
understand that Bannon and those in his circle are NOT anti interventionists.
Thirdeye "The third eye is a mystical and esoteric concept of a speculative invisible eye
which provides perception beyond ordinary sight." Wikipedia ;)
This is a good read. Especially for Thirdeye blind.
High Crimes and Demeanors in the Age of Trump
By Tom Engelhardt
Let me try to get this straight: from the moment the Soviet Union imploded in 1991 until
recently just about every politician and mainstream pundit in America assured us that we were
the planet's indispensable nation, the only truly exceptional one on this small orb of