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If you want a compact SUV with the added traction of all-wheel drive, you probably won't get it much cheaper than by buying the Subaru Forester. Although in 2016 those suckers charge you for CVT $500. Options are always overprices so getting the trim that contains them is not so good an idea. And often you can't get proper combination of options at any price at all. For example. if you can. Unfortunately for forester is you want CVT heated mirrors and fog lights you get sunroof and not as a present -- you need to pay for it :-)
It is desirable to rent a vehicle and see how it behaves in your particular circumstances
On most other major brands, AWD usually in an option that costs a thousand dollars extra. Like most modern cars Forester comes with rearview camera standard. Which provides pretty good picture of what is behind your car. Premium and higher trims come with a larger 7-inch touch screen, so the picture has enough details to see a cat or a small dog.
The 2.5i Premium trim is the most interesting for price conscious buyers. With it you get the larger 7-inch touch screen, satellite radio, a power-adjustable driver's seat, reclining rear seats, and a panoramic moonroof. Looks like in 2017 the automatic transmission is a no-cost option in this trim, but sticking with the manual gets you the All-Weather Package for free, which comes with heated front seats and heated side mirrors. The 2.0XT Premium model comes with the same features as the 2.5i Premium trim, as well as a more-powerful turbocharged four-cylinder engine, for around $29,200. It requires premium gas.
Forrester is one of few cars with which you can get all those modern technologies for around $28K. Forrester 2017 Premium with Package 14 (All Weather Package + EyeSight + Blind Spot Detection/Rear+Cross Traffic Alert) has MSRP around $28340 and you probably can get it below $28K.
Standard options for Forrester 2017 Premium include: 10 way power driver seat, auto/up down driver window, 17" alloys wheels, roof rails, reclining rear seats, window tint, body color mirrors, upgraded HD audio, and chrome door handles.
Two packages are of particular interest
That means that you can get very well equipped Forrester 2017 for $26,870 + $1,695=$28340
The main competition is heavily discounted Toyota RAV4 Hybrid 2016, which provides better acceleration and better (but nor dramatically) mileage for approximately the same price.
Based on data from Planet Subaru New Subaru dealership in Hanover, MA 02339)
Forester 2017 2.5i Premium with CVT is $26,870 with delivery cost included ($850)
2017 SUBARU FORESTER
|Model/Trim||Transmission||Applicable Option Code||MSRP||MSRP + destination and delivery|
|2.5i PZEV||CVT||01, 02||$23,595||$24,470|
|2.5i Premium PZEV||6MT||11||$25,495||$26,370|
|2.5i Premium PZEV||CVT||12,13,14,15||$25,995||$26,870|
|2.5i Limited PZEV||CVT||21, 22, 23||$29,195||$30,070|
|2.5i Touring PZEV||CVT||31, 32, 33, 34||$31,295||$32,170|
|2.0XT Touring||CVT||31, 32, 33, 34||$34,295||$35,170|
FORESTER OPTION PACKAGES
|CODE 01 Standard Model 2.5i||N/A|
|CODE 02 Alloy Wheel Package||$600|
|CODE 11 Standard Model 2.5i Premium 6MT||N/A|
|CODE 12 Standard Model 2.5i Premium CVT||N/A|
|Code 13 All Weather Package||$500|
|CODE 14 All Weather Package + EyeSight + Blind Spot Detection/Rear Cross Traffic Alert||$1,695|
|CODE 15 All Weather Package + EyeSight + Blind Spot Detection/Rear Cross Traffic Alert + Power Rear Gate||$2,145|
|CODE 16 Standard Model 2.0XT Premium||N/A|
|CODE 21 Standard Model 2.5i Limited||N/A|
|CODE 22 Navigation + Audio w/ Harman/Kardon® Amplifier and Speakers||$1,300|
|CODE 23 Navigation + Audio w/ Harman/Kardon® Amplifier and Speakers + EyeSight||$2,945|
|CODE 31 Standard Model 2.5i Touring and 2.0XT Touring (Black interior)||N/A|
|CODE 32 Standard Model 2.5i Touring and 2.0XT Touring (Saddle Brown interior)||N/A|
|CODE 33 EyeSight + Navigation (Black interior)||$1,595|
|CODE 34 EyeSight + Navigation (Saddle Brown interior)||$1,595|
For 2006 model 2.5i Premium can be equipped with front fog lights, heated mirrors, and Eyesight using $2K additional package that includes all those features. plus heated seats and power rare gate. The main problem is lackluster acceleration. But 2.0 engine is available, although at added cost.
With Eyesight package a regular Forrester with 2.5 liter engine has the MSRP $29,015
|FORESTER 2.5i Premium 2016|
|Destination & Delivery
Destination and delivery includes handling and inland freight fees and may vary in some states.
|Transmission CVT $500|
|Exterior - Ice Silver Metallic|
|Interior - Gray Cloth|
|All-Weather Package + EyeSight® + Blind Spot Detection/ Rear Cross Traffic Alert + Power Rear Gate + Fog lights||$2,145|
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|Fog Light Kit (Standard)||$0.00|
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Electronic driver’s aides seem to have been the main focus for this facelift, and the updated to version 3 EyeSight provides set of typical features in its segment.
Again Forrester 2017 has upgrade of EyeSight to version 3. This version provides Rear Cross Traffic Alert, Blind Spot Detection, Lane Keep Assist, High Beam Assist, and Reverse Automatic Braking.
The new aides are part of the latest version of Subaru’s EyeSight suite and include Active Lane Keep, Pre-Collision Braking Control, Adaptive Cruise Control, Blind-Spot Detection, Lane Change Assist and Rear-Cross-Traffic Alert.
High Beam Assist uses cameras to detect motorists driving in the opposing lane and automatically adjust the headlights.
The Forester already has a five-star safety rating from the NHTSA.
Also included on 2017 Forester Eyesight system are steering responsive headlights, lane keep assist, high beam assist, and reverse automatic braking.
Heated mirrors come with heated seats as one package called Weather package. It's cost is around $500.
2017 Forester gets the next generation of Subaru's award-winning driver assistance "Eyesight" system. Known as internally as Generation 3, it includes some enhancements, including smaller color cameras and radar technology. This is not completely new system: it was introduced on the 2015 Outback and Legacy. Up to 2016 Foresters has had only the second generation system.
This might well be a significant step in crash prevention.. EyeSight is an extra set of eyes on the
road, and if need be, an extra foot on the brake when you drive. It have two versions v2 (installed
on Forrester upto 2016) and v3 installed on Forrrester 2017. All vehicles equipped with Eyesight receive
the highest possible score in front crash prevention by the IIHS.
You may even be eligible for additional auto insurance discount. Check with your insurance company.
SUBARU EYESIGHT®. package with adapting cruse control is optional. to get it you need a Eyesight package that include Weather package and costs $2145 ( again with Weather package). It includes:
THE HIGHEST-RATED FRONT CRASH PREVENTION SYSTEM BY IIHS.
The Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) conducted tests to evaluate collision avoidance systems in new cars. The Subaru Legacy and Outback earned "Superior" ratings. Media took notice, including CNBC. Read More
This option is a part of SUBARU EYESIGHT. It provides two cameras are mounted by the rearview mirror to monitor traffic and react to conditions even before you do. One benefit is the optimization of your cruise control, sensing the pace of the vehicles ahead of you and helping to adjust the speed accordingly. Here is a quote from Emdumnds review:
Vehicle: 2.5i Touring PZEV 4dr SUV AWD (2.5L 4cyl CVT)
...Vehicle has crash avoidance system. I love it. With cruise control activated vehicle will automatically slow when you approach the vehicle on front of you and maintain a safe distance until the vehicle moves and then will accelerate to pre-set speed. No more tapping the brake and re-engaging.
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That is why I like the older RAV4's 1994-2005. They had permanent 4wd, not slip activated system's like the RAV 4.3's and current 4.4's. The CRV's have always sucked in snow or anything else concerning 4wd stuff unfortunately. Sub's are an excellent little snow car as they maintain the full time 4wd system like the older RAV4's.
My 2015 Forester was awesome in last Winter's snow here in NJ. Even with the stock all season tires. We had a lot of snow but it went thru everything like the snow wasn't even there. I'll never buy anything other than a Subaru from now on. Got my wife the same car too.
+DarkFilmDirector Woah hold on here. Most "AWD" are the same I agree with you but some still are true AWD like a subaru. You seem to know about cars enough so go ahead and look under a subaru you'll see it is mechanically different than you glorified FWD Honda CRV/Rogue/Rav4/Escape/etc. That being said, it is still not an off-road hero because you need more than just some AWD or 4WD. The subi angles and gearing were meant for fuel economy not low speed crawling. Neither is anything else, really.
im surprised they didn't mention the biggest difference between the CRv/Rav4 vs Forester: full time vs part time awd systems.
Honda/Toyota awd systems are part time; they only engage during acceleration and when they sense loss of traction. these systems are quite simple and are often too slow to react under cornering scenarios. in reality, these systems pretty much behave like their 2wd counterparts under cornering
Subaru awd system is full time; all the wheels are driven at all times with torque split between the wheels as traction is required. the benefit is the awd system is preventing slip on corners VS waiting for the slip to happen and trust the car regains traction once the rear wheels are driven.
this is by no means an "attack" on Honda/Toyota (i personally own honda's w/ awd), i just want to make sure that as consumers we're educated about these things. its not that Honda/Toyota's systems are mediocre, they are just fundamentally different in design and purpose compared to Subaru
Audioquest567 months ago
For people living in the city, AWD is pretty unnecessary. Most roads are plowed immediately after a snow storm and good quality winter tires will be all you need. The advantage of either of these vehicles is the ground clearance. Throw winter tires on them and you'll be just fine. Having said that, Subaru's AWD system is Japan's best.
This isn't really a fair test of the AWD systems. You tested each vehicle with their stock all-season tires. Some all-season tires are much better in snow than others. Most people that live in snowy areas put winter tires on their vehicles regardless if they run AWD, FWD or RWD. This test points out A. people need snow tires no matter what they drive, and B. the CRV's all season tires are terrible in snow, especially stopping.
To conduct a fair comparison of AWD systems in snow you need to use the SAME winter tires on all vehicles. There will be some differences related to electronic controls like traction and stability controls of course.
+PC MR You are right that people SHOULD buy winter tires even if they have AWD but Consumer Reports research and anecdotal observation would suggest that there is not any region in the US where winter tires reach even 50% use rate. Tirebusiness.com reports a tire manufacturer survey saying only about 20% of US consumers in the snow belt use them. The numbers can be debated somewhat but there are many many millions of SUVs driving around on factory all season tires in the snow. Think of the west coast where the big cities like Sacramento, Portland and Seattle which all get very little snow but are at most 3 hours from ski areas. Very very few people in these places have snow tires.
I have had very bad luck with the 2013 -2015 subarus. 2013 wrx 3 transmitions withing 40,000 miles. 2014 subaru legacy was the worst by far, awd failure ,anti lock break failure , steering failure, traction control actually caused me to get into an accident. Let me explain while going down a steep hill on a right hand turn my passenger side tires hit a patch of snow and locked up , sending the rotational force to the driver side , causing the car to violent turn hard to the right and pushed me off the road and caused an accident. Also the car will hesitate when pulling out from a stop , is very bad if the car is on a slight bit of gravel the car will stop in the middle of the street and then after a second re engage the power, not to mention the stalling and countless other problems . Have been to the dealer multiple times and they have said the car is functioning as intended , even contacted subaru corporate , had the same experience . If you decide to look at a subaru during the test drive ask to test the awd system if they say no or have no way for you to test it leave and do not trust them.
Bought an 04 Forester, just sold it trouble free since new. Only sold it due to rear facing child seat incapable of fitting, forcing my legs into the dash as a passenger.
Bought a new one last month. Best vehicle for your money on the market. Would have kept the 04 at least 5 more years had that issue not been an issue.
Got a CVT this time, I will miss our 5 speed stick... but change is good. Gas mileage has been over 32 MPG average. Similar to our 04 speed manual.
Now it is a timing chain, that is nice.. I think the timing belt was the most expensive anything we ever did in the 12 years owning the 04.
Only thing we had go wrong was a power window motor in the driver window (recently) and fog lamp bulbs commonly burnt out in the 138k we drove it.
Yeah it's certainly one of the downfalls of the EJ engine. That and the infamous early head gasket. Mine's seeping oil from the oil passages at the bottom of the engine. Not a huge problem because I'm not burning or mixing coolant or oil. Looks like I'm tearing into the engine soon, though.
But yeah I much prefer chains over belts.
All recent Foresters are chain, our 04 still used a traditional timing belt. We took care of it at 98k anyway, but nice the new one won't need it replaced.
I'm a first time Subaru owner, who purchased a new 2014 Outback last year. Having hearing all the great things about Subaru's handling and dependability, I always wanted to check them out, and I wanted to get away from the big price tags and poor gas mileage of four-wheel drive trucks and SUV's. After my first winter with it, in the winter badlands of Northern New York, I was sold. I've owned and driven many different types of vehicles in my 30 plus years of driving, and this is hands down the best vehicle I've ever driven in winter weather condition.
Before the winter weather hit, I was thinking about purchasing winter tires for it, but figured I'd wait and see how the stock all-seasons performed. Well, after driving it in winter road conditions, I didn't see the need for winter tires because the all-seasons performed great... But I can only imagine the performance when winter tires are added. Everything I've always heard about Subaru's is true... They're an awesome vehicle! I can definitely see myself as a lifetime Subie:)
TFL Car said the RAV4 actually has an excellent AWD system, and they tested it against the CR-V, which was equipped with a more aggressive tread. look their videos up.
For the most part, the Forester has a comfortable ride. The Forester has a car-like driving feel, and it stays relatively composed around corners. There is some body roll; it leans a bit from side to side when driving on twisty roads. However, the steering feels sharp and well-weighted, so you'll have lots confidence when you're behind the wheel.
Car and Driver
Speaking of EyeSight, the outgoing Forester was previously saddled with an older version of this technology package that lacked many of the functions available on newer Subarus, such as the Outback and the Legacy. It's now thoroughly updated for the 2017 model, gaining lane-keeping assist, blind-spot detection, and rear cross-traffic alert while retaining the previously available adaptive cruise control, forward-collision warning, and lane-departure warning. EyeSight is available as an option on all Forester models except for the base 2.5i trim.
...Forester's cabin also features a new steering wheel...
...The 2.5-liter flat-four remains the base engine, and revisions to the engine and the CVT that it's mated with on most models result in improved city/highway EPA fuel economy ratings of 26/32 mpg. That's a bump of 2 mpg in the city; highway mileage stays the same.
First introduced in 2014, the fourth-generation Subaru Forester is still pretty new. But Subaru is already looking to the future with a facelifted version slated for the Tokyo Motor Show. It might seem as though the automaker is rushing things a bit, but initially, the facelifted crossover will only be available in Japan, and the updates probably won't reach the U.S. any earlier than the 2017 model year. At that point, the timing will be a bit closer to the norm, but the truth is, the Forester doesn't really need help in the U.S. market. The model has experienced a sales boom in the past few years, and it's still on an upward trajectory.
Subaru upgrades the Forester JDM ahead of Tokyo Motor Show
Engine and transmissions options remain unchanged following the facelift. The engines are both four-cylinder boxers. Quite the rare thing these days, but it does keep the weight of the engine closer to the ground, lowering the center of gravity compared to most crossovers.
The entry-level engine is a 2.5-liter that produces 170 horsepower, while the other option is a turbocharged 2.0-liter that makes 250 horsepower. Nearly all Foresters sold in North America will have a CVT. There is an available six-speed manual, but only for the base engine. The CVT's software has had a going-over, and it will simulate an eight-speed transmission, but these simulations are never quite the same as the real thing.
The suspension and steering have been tweaked as well, and Subaru promises better handling. However, handling has always been a weak point of the Forester, and it would take a lot of improvement to get to where it should be. Subaru's iconic AWD is still offered, and it remains one of the best systems around, especially in this price range.
Electronic driver's aides seem to have been the main focus for this facelift, and the new options make the Forester a leader in its segment. The new aides are part of the latest version of Subaru's EyeSight suite and include Active Lane Keep, Pre-Collision Braking Control, Adaptive Cruise Control, Blind-Spot Detection, Lane Change Assist and Rear-Cross-Traffic Alert. There are also cameras that detect motorists driving in the opposing lane and automatically adjust the headlights. On top of all of this, the Forester already has a five-star safety rating from the NHTSA.
It is desirable to rent a vicle and see how it behaves.
Joe Mama, on 12/29/2015
2.5i Limited PZEV 4dr SUV AWD (2.5L 4cyl CVT)
I believe you're either a Subaru person or you're not. If you appreciate their engineering bias (over styling), great safety reputation and aren't concerned with the hottest gimmics (like LED light accents), you could be a Subaru person... . This is our 6th Subaru product, and we've driven nearly every one of them over 150,000 mi., on average. The one that didn't make it to the prime of life ended up the basis for a commercial (Outback totaled when it left highway).
Despite being Subaru loyalists, have to admit there are a few warts to mention. Details that Subaru could do better - get rid of ugly wheels, nicer color choices (like a nice dark blue), fix high oil consumption and reduce engine noise (esp when starting from cold) are personal gripes.
Sad Subaru Owner,
2.5i Premium PZEV 4dr SUV AWD (2.5L 4cyl CVT)
I've owned a 2015 Subaru CVT for one year and have put 10K miles on it around Denver, Colorado. I am extremely disappointed, and look forward to replacing it soon with a real car.
I chose the Subaru Forester for very practical reasons: Great visibility, reliability, road clearance for the occasional offroading, and all-wheel traction in the winter. These elements, however, do not offset the downsides.
- Most annoying has been the constant rattling of the vent and speaker grills on the dashboard. Turns out that this problem is well documented on the Internet, yet the dealer acted surprised when I brought it in for repair. Twice now they have failed to fix the noise, and I have an appointment to take it back a third time.
- The CVT, in combination with the slow-to-warm-up Boxer engine, is so bad at accelerating that you must pro-actively plan your route to avoid the need for quick speed. For instance, until the engine is warm, I have to leave extremely large spaces when going from my residential area to merge onto a two-lane thoroughfare. And it takes the engine 10 minutes, or 2 miles to warm up (when the blue light goes off). So don't plan to jump on the freeway and hope to accelerate to match the speed of traffic - ain't gonna happen. Worse, the CVT is quirky, and not in a good way. Sometimes a touch of the accelerator causes it to lerch forward. Other times, it won't move. I HATE HATE HATE the CVT.
- In the center of the dash is an information screen that shows your average mpg. This number -- usually around 26 mpg -- is 2 and 3 miles greater than what I'm actually getting (calculated by miles driven since last refueling). I'm beginning to wonder if they have programmed the onboard computer to deliberately do this - ala Volkswagon misrepresenting diesel emissions.
- The ride can be kidney-jarringly bad. There is a stretch of I-25 through south Denver where the combination of road surfacing, the car's short track, and traveling at normal freeway speeds will cause the car to continuously shudder in a very uncomfortable manner. (This happens with the factory installed tires inflated at proper psi).
- The wheel-wells are unacceptably tight for an SUV designed for winter travel. Shortly after I bought the car in Winter 2015, I smelled burning rubber while driving on a snow covered road. I was the only car on the road, so I knew it was my Subaru. Upon pulling over and inspecting the car, I discovered that the snow accumulation of 2-3" in the back wheel-well was rubbing the back tires and causing the smell. Now when it snows, I have to be constantly vigilant that this doesn't happen. I can see how an engineer designed the very
By Kiran Chedella
2.5i Premium PZEV 4dr SUV AWD (2.5L 4cyl CVT)
This car has very cheap interior, too many rattling noise, blower noise. Most of the issues are during cold weather. Passenger seat belt warning light come up even though the passenger seat is empty. When cold it takes 10 minutes for the engine to warm up and pick up acceleration, if driving in before 10 minutes, can't drive more than 30 to 35 mph at full throttle.
Drive side windshield freezing from inside even though all windows, moon roof is completely closed and it takes long time to clear and melted water dripping into dashboard. Have several fixes done nearly visited 7 times dealership and again scheduled one. Highly recommended to thoroughly check the vehicle before purchasing. The dealership from where I purchased the vehicle always say why are you worried about the plastic and noise but the other dealer identified the root cause and fixed them but new issues coming up. This vehicle is just 7 months old and has only 7000 miles on it. Not at all recommended.
Douglas Swinford, on
2.5i Touring PZEV 4dr SUV AWD (2.5L 4cyl CVT)
I have a lot of experience with driving cars, trucks, commercial vehicles. This is a find piece of machinery. In comparing with the competitors I liked the Mazda CX-5 and its snappy little motor. The Skyactive engine they have has a little more snap than the normally aspirated Touring, but I love the flat four and the balance and proven reliability of this set up.
If you live in a climate where you have snow and bad roads and want all wheel drive they seem to have an edge on the comp too. Plus, when pricing its as if you don't pay extra for it (AWD) like you do on other vehicles. We liked the Hyundai Tuscon as its really sharp but I didn't want a turbo motor and all the ones we liked had their new 1.6 Turbo. I think Hondas are great but the front seats were lacking and did not have the wonderful seating position and view out of the windshield that the Forester does.
Forester manages to have a nice back window you can see out of and still be nicely styled. My wife and I are both shorter drivers (under 5'10") and we had the best visibility out of the Forester. Now to particulars...
I like the Eyesight system it works well but can be quirky occasionally and kick itself off. Its not annoying though when it mildly scolds you for getting out of your lane. Given that this is a high end model I would have thought I would have more gauges, i.e. temp / oil pressure / volts. But you get a blue light to tell you when the motor is cold, duh, and thats it. It does not have quite the ride that my 2003 Dodge Caravan does, but of course that has a longer wheelbase and it is a two wheel drive and can't handle much off the pavement. I've only had this car off the road for a short distance once on some un even ground and she was like "lets go!"
My wife really likes the tight turning radius compared to our van and she can get the power seat set so she doesn't need a pillow like with most cars. She loves to sit up hight and see out.
So far the gas mileage has been very very good. My worst tank early on averaged 26 and the current one is at 30 for 100 miles. It will probably level out 27 or so. If there is road construction and you are held down in speed the mileage keeps shooting up. Driving 70-75 steady will put you at about 26 which is still good. I've only got 1600 miles on it. Thats all I can think of for now. I'm the kind of person who spends hours and hours studying and reading consumers reviews which I think is one of the best measures of a car. If you are coming down in size it will take a little adjusting but its still comfy for couple of hour trips. Happy
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