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Pathological Russophobia
and sociopathic Carthago delenda est
(Carthage must be destroyed)
attitude of the US elite toward Russia

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Introduction

This page is written in hope to help Russian language students to understand the country they are studying despite the level of brainwashing typical for MSM in the West. And especially such phenomenon as Russophobia which is many Western countries and first of all in the USA, is an official policy. Much like in Carthago delenda est (Carthage must be destroyed) was during certain period official policy in Rome.

My own views were by-and-large influenced by Professor  Stephen F. Cohen

Russophobia is a phenomenon somewhat similar to anti-Semitism, just applied to a different national group. It is a natural by-product of American Exeptionalism and by-and-large replaced anti-Semitism in the US political discourse. As Arkadiy Rukh observed (cited from dr-piliulkin.livejournal.com ):

"Today, in the era of the total political correctness in the Western world there is only one object for unpunished hatred, for realization of the inevitable phobias and other psychopathologies. This is Russia. Today Russians occupy in the world that niche, which for many centuries was occupied by the Jews: the object instinctive, illogical, animal hatred."

Russophobia is now very fashionable in Western MSM. Pages of European and American newspapers and their comments columns, are packed with expressions such as "Putin is the new Hitler"; the "Russia is a primitive country that should be contained at all costs"; "All Russian are mobsters"; "Russians must pay the price for support of the Putin regime", the hysterical "Putin is Stalin, Jr., let's restart the Cold War" and other similar cliché that clearly remind German propaganda against Jews. It also helps to erase Snowden revelations from Western collective memory. The hatred of Russia is now " a new normal". How and for what reasons did this happen? The first thing to understand is that this is not a new phenomenon. British elite was adamantly Russophobic for a long time:

The historian J. H. Gleason, in his 1950 book The Genesis of Russophobia in Great Britain, characterized the nineteenth-century English public’s “antipathy toward Russia” as the “most pronounced and enduring element in the national outlook on the world abroad.” The sentiment, Gleason concluded, was concocted by a manipulative, imperial-minded elite—and was off base, anyway, since Britain’s foreign policy was actually “more provocative than Russia’s” in this period. Others concur. “The world champion imperialists of modern history, the British, were in a permanent state of hysteria about the chimera of Russia advancing over the Himalayas to India,”

While observations of Arkadiy Rukh are, in my opinion, absolutely correct (the article I cited above is pretty interesting too and contains a valuable discussion) I would add a neoliberal edge of this problem (The Vineyard of the Saker):

The historical roots of the Russophobia of the American elites

Having said all of the above, its actually pretty simple to understand why Russia in general, and Putin in particular, elicits such a deep hatred from the Western plutocracy: having convinced themselves that they won the Cold War they are now facing the double disappointment of a rapidly recovering Russia and a Western economic and political decline turning into what seems to be a slow and painful agony.

In their bitterness and spite, Western leaders overlook the fact that Russia has nothing to do with the West's current problems. Quite to the contrary, in fact: the main impact the collapse of the Soviet Union on the US-run international economic system was to prolong its existence by creating a new demand for US dollars in Eastern Europe and Russia (some economists - such as Nikolai Starikov - estimate that the collapse of the USSR gave an extra 10+ years of life to the US dollar).

In the past, Russia has been the historical arch-enemy of the British Empire. As for Jews - they have always harbored many grievances towards pre-revolutionary Tsarist Russia. The Revolution of 1917 brought a great deal of hope for many East-European Jews, but it was short lived as Stalin defeated Trotsky and the Communist Party was purged from many of its Jewish members. Over and over again Russia has played a tragic role in the history of the Ashkenazi Jews and this, of course, has left a deep mark on the worldview of the Neocons who are all deeply Russophobic, even today. Somebody might object that many Jews are deeply grateful for the Soviet Army's liberation of Jews from the Nazi concentration camps or for the fact that the Soviet Union was the first country to recognize Israel. But in both cases, the country which is credited with these actions is the Soviet Union and not Russia which most Ashkenazi Jews still typically associate anti-Jewish policies and values.

It is thus not surprising that both the Anglo and the Jewish elites in the US would harbor an almost instinctive dislike for, and fear of, Russia, especially one perceived as resurgent or anti-American. And the fact is that they are not wrong in this perception: Russia is most definitely resurgent, and the vast majority of the Russian public opinion is vehemently anti-American, at least if by "America" we refer to the civilizational model or economic system.

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Considering the never ending barrage of anti-Russian propaganda in the western corporate media one could wonder how strong anti-Russian feelings are in the West. This is really hard to measure objectively, but as somebody born in Western Europe and who has lived a total of 15 years in the USA I would say that anti-Russian sentiment in the West is very rare, almost non-existent. In the USA there have always been strong anti-Communist feelings - there still are today - but somehow most Americans do make the difference between a political ideology that they don't really understand, but that they dislike anyway, and the people which in the past used to be associated with it.

US *politicians*, of course, mostly hate Russia, but most Americans seem to harbor very little bad feelings or apprehension about Russia or the Russian people. I explain that by a combination of factors.

First, since more and more people in the West realize that they are not living in a democracy, but in a plutocracy of the 1%, they tend to take the official propaganda line with more than a grain of salt (which, by the way, is exactly what was happening to most Soviet people in the 1980s). Furthermore, more and more people in the West who oppose the plutocratic imperial order which impoverishes and disenfranchises them into corporate serfs are quite sympathetic to Russia and Putin for "standing up to the bastards in Washington". But even more fundamentally, there is the fact that in a bizarre twist of history Russia today stands for the values of the West of yesterday: international law, pluralism, freedom of speech, social rights, anti-imperialism, opposition to intervention inside sovereign states, rejection of wars as a means to settle disputes, etc.

In the case of the war in Syria, Russia's absolutely consistent stance in defense of international law has impressed many people in the USA and Europe and one can hear more and more praise for Putin from people who in the past has deep suspicions about him.

Russia, of course, is hardly a utopia or some kind of perfect society, far from it, but it has taken the fundamental decision to become a *normal* country, as opposed to being a global empire, and any normal country will agree to uphold the principles of the "West of yesterday", not only Russia. In fact, Russia is very un-exceptional in its pragmatic realization that to uphold these principles is not a matter of naive idealism, but a sound realistic policy goal. People in the West are told by their rulers and the corporate media that Putin in an evil ex-KGB dictator who is a danger for the US and its allies, but as soon as these people actually read or listen to what Putin actually says they find themselves in a great deal of agreement with him.

In another funny twist of history, while the Soviet population used to turn to the BBC, Voice of America or Radio Liberty for news and information, more and more people in the West are turning to Russia Today, Press TV, or Telesur to get their information. Hence the panicked reaction of Walter Isaacson, Chairman of the Broadcasting Board of Governors, the US outfit overseeing US media directed at foreign audiences, who declared that "we can't allow ourselves to be out-communicated by our enemies. You've got Russia Today, Iran's Press TV, Venezuela's TeleSUR, and of course, China is launching an international broadcasting 24-hour news channel with correspondents around the world". Folks like Isaacson know that they are slowly but surely loosing the informational battle for the control of the minds of the general public.

And now, with the entire Snowden affair, Russia is becoming the safe harbor for those political activists who are fleeing Uncle Sam's wrath. A quick search on the Internet will show you that more and more people are referring to Putin as the "leader of the Free World" while other are collecting signatures to have Obama give his Nobel Prize to Putin. Truly, for those like myself who have actually fought against the Soviet system it is absolutely amazing to see the 180 degree turn the world has taken since the 1980s.

Western elites - still stuck in the Cold War

If the world has radically changed in the last 20 years, the Western elites did not. Faced with a very frustrating reality they are desperately trying to re-fight the Cold War with the hope of re-winning it again. Hence the never ending cycle of Russia-bashing campaigns I mentioned at the beginning of this post. They try to re-brand Russia as the new Soviet Union, with oppressed minorities, jailed or murdered dissidents, little or no freedom of speech, a monolithic state controlled media and an all seeing security apparatus overseeing it all. The problem, of course, is that they are 20 years late and that these accusations don't stick very well with the western public opinion and get exactly *zero* traction inside Russia. In fact, every attempt at interfering inside Russian political affairs has been so inept and clumsy that it backfired every single time. From the absolutely futile attempts of the West to organize a color-coded revolution in the streets of Moscow to the totally counter-productive attempts to create some kind of crisis around homosexual human rights in Russia - every step taken by the western propaganda machine has only strengthened Vladimir Putin and his the "Eurasian Sovereignists" at the expense of the "Atlantic Integrationist" faction inside the Kremlin.

There was a deep and poignant symbolism in the latest meeting of the 21 APEC countries in Bali. Obama had to cancel his trip because of the US budget crisis while Putin was treated to a musically horrible but politically deeply significant rendition of "Happy birthday to you!" by a spontaneous choir composed of the leaders of the Pacific Rim countries. I can just imagine the rage of the White House when they saw "their" Pacific allies serenading Putin for his birthday!

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On one side we have the 1%, the Anglo imperialists and the Ziocons, while on the other we have the rest of the planet, including potentially 99% of the American people. If it is true that at this moment in time Putin and his Eurasian Sovereignists are the most powerful and best organized faction of the worldwide resistance to the Empire, they are far from being central, or even less so, crucial, to it. Yes, Russia can, and will, play its role, but only as a normal country amongst many other normal countries, some small and economically weak like Ecuador, other huge and powerful like China. But even small Ecuador was "big enough" to grand refuge to Julian Assange while China seems to have asked Snowden to please leave. So Ecuador is not that small after all?

It would be naive to hope that this "de-imperialization" process of the USA could happen without violence. The French and British Empires collapsed against the bloody backdrop of WWII, while did the Nazi and Japanese Empires were crushed under a carpet of bombs. The Soviet Empire collapsed with comparatively less victims, and most of the violence which did take place during that process happened on the Soviet periphery. In Russia itself, the number of death of the mini civil war of 1993 was counted in the thousands and not in the millions. And by God's great mercy, not a single nuclear weapon was detonated anywhere.

So what will likely happen when the US-Ziocon Empire finally collapses under its own weight? Nobody can tell for sure, but we can at least hope that just as no major force appeared to rescue the Soviet Empire in 1991-1993, no major force will attempt to save the US Empire either. As David Rovic's puts it so well, the big weakness of the 1% which rule the US-Ziocon Empire is that "they are a tiny minority and we are everywhere".

In the past 20 years the US and Russia have followed diametrically opposed courses and their roles appears to have been reversed. That "pas de deux" is coming to some kind of end now. Objective circumstances have now again placed these two countries in opposition to each other, but this is solely due to the nature of the regime in Washington DC. Russian leaders could repeat the words of the English rapper Lowkey and declare "I'm not anti-America, America is anti-me!" and they could potentially be joined by 99% of Americans who, whether they already realize it or not, are also the victims of the US-Ziocon Empire.

In the meantime, the barrage of anti-Russian propaganda campaigns will continue unabated simply because this seems to have become a form of psychotherapy for a panicked and clueless western plutocracy. And just as in all the previous cases, this propaganda campaign will have no effect at all.

It is my hope that next time we hear about whatever comes next after the current "Greenpeace" campaign you will keep all this in mind.

The Saker

I never was a Russian citizen, but I was and still am interested in Russian politics and, especially, culture. My approach here reflects my natural skepticism. I am not content with typical coverage of Russia in the USA press which reminds me the caricature on the USA coverage by Soviet press. I consider Russophobia to be simplistic and counterproductive policy which serves to promote equally shortsighted global imperial policy by the US financial oligarchy. Policy that has considerable cold-war inertia and that is damaging to the USA long term interests. Most journalists are simply behave like paid attack dogs (a good example here is Mr. Wallace: his interview of Putin was an insult to the American people).

Here I collected some of the authors who try to see more long term approach and try to present their own understanding of the complex problem related to attempt to colonize the Russia. Or at least advice a more realistic US foreign policy toward Russia. Of course it is nice to squash the old geo-political enemy like a bug and I would be the first to admit that under Yeltsin West came close to this scenario. Criminal privatization of Russian companies was hugely successful attempt to put an end to the Russia as an independent country. Similar strategy was by-and-large successful in other USSR republics like Ukraine, Georgia and especially Baltic countries creating what can be called New Latin America.

But after Putin came to power, the attempts to convert Russia into yet another Latin American country became gradually reversed (although this process is some areas went too far and to reverse it completely is very difficult). As Ira Straus aptly put it in her letter Russia, U.S. Media:

Nowadays attacking Russia has a politically correct tinge to it, since Russia is a white Christian country. By contrast, attacking China still suffers from being susceptible to counter-charges of racism and anti-Communism. Perhaps this is the source of the strange double standard in which Russia is attacked just about any day for just about anything while China is virtually ignored day after day, month after month for the same and far worse.

Attacking Russia is especially "correct" when it is a matter attacking a Republican Administration for being soft on a Russia that is beating up on Muslims. One doubts that much of the American public shares the media's sensibilities on this. Picture bubba listening as Dan Rather launches into Russia for beating up on Muslim Chechens; he'll probably be telling himself, "there the liberal media go again, standing up for our enemies and blaming our allies the Russians for fighting back". Among Americans who write about politics, only Pat Buchanan and Ann Coulter dare to say such things, but many more think it, in whole or in part.

The importance of adversarial culture for the media can be seen from the Bush I administration, which truly was anti-Russian. The media bashed Bush I for this; it became ambivalent on Russia, taking on a more pro-Russian hue than any time before or since. As soon as Clinton got a pro-Russian reputation, the media switched back to Russia-bashing mode. It was Clinton-bashing that was the real point.

In other words, the media should not be taken as a barometer of U.S. government policies on Russia. It is more often an indicator of the opposite.

What does it matter? A lot. The media drumbeat against Russia has an enormous impact on public policy, not only in the US but in every Western country, and in Russia itself. It makes it hard to think clearly, or even to see clearly. It fosters and fans conflict. It promotes a tit for every tat.

First, the effects on Russians. The media play an enormous role in convincing them that we're an enemy. They can see CNN, BBC and other Western media daily, at length; they hear from our government only rarely, and practically never from the American people. They can see the Western media's implicit premises far more clearly than the media themselves do. Mistakenly assuming these premises to represent Western policy, they draw what would be the logical conclusion: that we are their enemy. If Russia does in turn become an enemy again, the media will have been a major cause of it.

Second, effects on Western policy-making are just as damaging. Instead of helping the Western governments do their thinking, the media block out most of the space for it. They make it harder for the West to think out loud about such matters as how to build active alliance relations with Russia, or how to overcome the remaining Cold War standoffs. They make it harder to follow a steady course where cooperation has been agreed, They have done much to cause the West to be an unreliable partner for Russia, an unreliability that democrats in Russia noted with profound regret throughout the 1990s. They prioritize conflicting interests over shared interests, encouraging every minor divergence of interest to grow into a major opposition. Their audience ratings flourish on conflict; and no longer fearing it as risking war or nuclear incineration, they promote it shamelessly.

If we end up with a new Cold War -- and the risk is becoming a real one -- it won't be a small thing. It would mean a nuclear superpower once again ranged against us and the world plunged back into a bipolar disorder, only in more unstable conditions. In that case, the media will no doubt turn around and denounce as "reckless" those who carry out their painful duties in the conflict. The truly reckless ones, however, will have been those in this era who so freely did so much to bring it on.

My personal views are close to views expressed by Anatoly Karlin in About Da Russophile

As regards Russian politics, I make no secret that I’m a pro-Putin conservative. That said, my views are moderate – while Western media coverage of Russia may be woefully biased and frequently malicious, there are certainly plenty of things to criticize about Russia and Russians.

However, they must be grounded in in statistics, an appreciation of the viewpoints of ordinary Russians, and a judicious comparative perspective (which is NOT equivalent to "moral relativism" or "whataboutism" as many of the more hardcore Russophobe propagandists claim).

I think that the Western MSM fails on all three counts:

This blog concerns with calling them out on their lies. As the one-time Guardian chief editor C.P. Scott once said, "Comment is free but facts are sacred." While his newspaper has retreated from this vision in practice, I maintain that it’s the most elegant encapsulation of what real journalism (and punditry, blogging, etc) should all be about.

...I consider Charles de Gaulle to have done a great job, and consider Putin to be a comparable figure in vision and stature.

Russians are coming: War hysteria as classic Adorno

Outside obvious "Lebensraum" motives, it looks like western hate towards Russia rests on some deep inadequacy syndrome. Russia is supposed to be some has-been power that is now of no consequence, yet it gets way more attention than such a worthless state would merit. The amount of negative coverage since Sochi Olympics is bordering on war hysteria. That's dangerous pass as ideas became material things when they penetrate deep into conscience of nation. Hate eventually tends to materialize.

The amount of negative coverage since Sochi Olympics is bordering on war hysteria. That's dangerous pass as ideas became material things when they penetrate deep into conscience of nation. Hate eventually tends to materialize.

Russophobia as persistent policy of the US government and US media. And all this talk about Russia aggressiveness, and carefully orchestrated related war hysteria in MSM is pure projection. It is the USA which is the most aggressive international player on the world stage.

Russophobia is the unofficial but persistent set of behavioral patterns of the US government and US media. It is clear that US tried to weaken and possibly dismember Russia out of geopolitical considerations which represents a real threat to the US world hegemony. This idea on which the US elite is hell bent since end of WWII and there were even plans to bomb Russia just after end of WWII.

It is the only military power that can annihilate large part of the continental USA, But there is something deeper here. It is also an attempt to unify nation, which under neoliberalism became much less coherent whole and in which 99% of the population hates the top 1% and the level of this hate is increasing, especially in minorities and inner cities.

Russophobia is a crucial part of the US foreign policy. In this respect the US foreign policy is so messianic that it reminds me Soviet foreign policy (with the substitution of "triumph of democracy" for "triumph of communism") and I wonder if the USSR really was a defeated party in the Cold War. This mentality of "export of revolution" is the integral part of mentality of the US elite. The difference with Trotskyism, if exists, is minor, and the key difference between Trotskyism and the US flavor of messianism probably is connected with the smell of oil which radically increases the urge to democratize a particular country. In any case attempt to export democracy in Russia never stopped since 1991 and under Yeltsin were so successful that the country lost more in industrial production then during the second World War and poverty became a norm for more then 50% of the population.

Carthago delenda est (Carthage must be destroyed) attitude exists partially because the Western elites hate resource nationalists independently whether those nationalists are leftist or conservative. Fighting resource nationalists tooth-and-nail is an important, may be even critical part of neoliberal doctrine. The latter is a civic religion in the USA. That means the Russophobia in the USA has strong religious component, and is supported by 500 pound gorilla of the US elite propaganda machine. In other words there is a strong, consistent tendency of demonization of Russia (Paul Starobin, The National Interest Blog, August 28, 2014):

In any case, our taste for a country—favorable or unfavorable—shouldn’t dictate our foreign policy, which is properly shaped by a cool calculation of our national interest. On these terms, America is right to resist Russia if Putin seems truly bent on bullying his way to a redrawn map of Europe, but also right to try to keep working with Russia on matters of mutual concern such as Islamic militancy. And that same calculation will hold when Putin, as must happen eventually, exits the Kremlin, willingly or unwillingly, whether replaced by a new autocrat or a more democratic figure. Today’s heightened tension between the United States and Russia, conceivably the first chapter of a new cold war, with Europe as ambivalent as ever about its role, underscores that Russia is likely to remain one of America’s most vexing and formidable diplomatic challenges for a long time to come.

So the future of the presentation of Russia as a hodgepodge of unflattering stereotypes seems bright. The naive liberal notion that the world has a teleological disposition toward a progressive end—if only holdouts like Russia would get with the program—is deeply entrenched. Headlines datelined in Russia—on corrupt oligarchs, or on control-freak KGB-generation political operators—will continue to nourish sweeping criticism of Russians, from their leaders on down, as primitive and psychologically ill. Probably no other nation is so easy (or so safe) to caricature.

And the “Russia Is Doomed” syndrome is bound to survive because Russia, alas, still matters. The object of such concentrated anxiety over the centuries, far from heading down a path to obscurity, remains a global force and impossible to ignore. So the worries will live on, too, as will the sublimated wish to efface Russia. But perhaps the good news for the critics is precisely that Russia is not about to go away. They will have plenty of grist for their mill for decades to come.

The issue is whether comprador elites subservient to the US are in power, or more nationalistic "national sovereignty" guys. It is true that a nationalist elite can be as predatory as a comprador elite, but a reasonable degree of national sovereignty is a prerequisite for social justice and it is difficult to raise standard of living if your resources are owned by transnationals. The latter automatically became above the law and do what they want with impunity.

Russophobic views on Russia "There is no life there !"

The Russophobic views on Russia can be summed up in three words: "There is no life there !" This simple formula invoke the whole complex system of "corrupt journalism patterns" and powerful propaganda mechanisms polished during 45 years of Cold War. Those journalistic patterns causes most western journalists (not without help of their political handlers as independent journalism in the USA is a joke) treat Russia as a failed state. Not simply a country that temporary dropped out of the world civilization, but the country is doomed to such a drop by the several immanent features such as "national character", climate, landmass, religion, history, etc.

From Dr. MacFaul quotes above it is clear that in the American media and among American politicians Russia occupies a marginal position. After the Soviet Union is gone, they mostly cares about getting assets on pennies per dollar (behaviour of criminals like Mr. Browder, whom McFaul loves so much, exemplifies such an attitude) and to lesser extent about Russia military capabilities, which are still a risk. Although I doubt that.

From the typical US behavior it looks like American politicians are not really interested in any other aspect of Russian situation, other then energy resources (Khodorkovsky is a new saint in the USA, probably for his failed attempt to sell Russia oil resources to US companies). And he is new puppet in the show of finding the possibilities of regime change and installing a puppet regime as they unsuccessfully tried in 2011-2012. They still miss Yeltsin drunk regime and Gaidar-Chubais neoliberal gang, which almost converted Russia into kleptocracy from which Putin tried gradually to extract it with great and not always successful efforts.

It all comes down to a set of cliché: Russia is corrupt (while in reality this is a immanent feature of all neoliberal regimes and first of all the USA, the most corrupt neoliberal regime in existence) , does not respect human rights (unlike Saudis) and does not play by the rules (unlike Libya rebels), is not democratic (unlike Qatar). Russia seems to them so weak and uninteresting, not worthy of a real partnership dialogue. And is arrogant enough not to agree with the status of vassal so she needs to be taken care of:

"To promote liberty requires first the containment and then the elimination of those forces opposed to liberty, be they individuals, movements, or regimes. " - M. McFaul, The Liberty Doctrine: Reclaiming the purpose of American power. Policy Review April & May 2002 The Liberty Doctrine Hoover Institution

Such an ungrateful jerks, who jailed Dick Cheney best friend Khodorkovsky, squeezed this perfectly honest guy, exemplary "the largest portfolio investor in Russia, British citizen William Browder" (Who, BTW, was the USA citizen until recently, but suddenly changed his mind) and so on and so forth. They should be "regime changed". It is like the relationship between schoolchildren, when a bully see a threat on the school yard and acts preemptively.

Very well orchestrated Russophobia of Western MSM

The first thing that surprise me is a very well "coordinated" level of Russophobia demonstrated by Western MSM. The degree of Russophobia in Western press varies very little be it Guardian, or NYT, or BBC or WashPost. As financial oligarchy controls the MSM you can't expect anything different. They act as a pack of dogs. Typical level is treating Russian as forever damned barbarians. Slightly more advanced is treating Russia a legitimate playground for testing the controversial socio-economic doctrines like shock therapy and a land were any foreign crook is entitled to get rich fast (like Browder did ). But the essence is the same, no right for "national sovereignty", no right for any "special way". Those concepts are simply outside a typical Western press journalists "template" that their editors enforce.

As John Drury noted in his comment to U.S. Russia Withheld Intel on Boston Bomb Suspect - WSJ.com

Ridiculous comments populate the blogs, the op eds and the comment sections of most sites. But what unsettles me more is the rabid Russian phobia (call it "Russophobia") which populates the American press (liberal/conservative).

We never see things from the Russian side. It is always Putin who is up to no good, Vladimir, the monster, the balding fool with no shirt flexing his muscles. This is not the Cold War, yet we have not shed our Cold War biases.

See Propaganda and The Guardian Slips Beyond the Reach of Embarrassment for more information

Two types of Russophobes: "Russophobes by conviction" vs. "Russophobes for money"

Russophobia is a form of racism and studies of other forms of racism such as anti-Semitism are applicable here.

It is a prejudice against, hatred of, or discrimination against Russian people as an ethnic, religious, or racial group. In Baltic states it is close to regime of Apartheid. In Ukraine it has a form of suppression of Russian language and culture

Russophobes by conviction

I have an impression on the personal level sincere and acute Russophobia (not to be mixed with Russophobia as a official line ) can be a compensation mechanism (classic Adorno). I am not talking here about ideological prostitution typical for MSM journalists. But on individual level it looks like projection not that different from other national bigotry and the undisputable and provable fact is that the USA and, especially, Great Britain MSM serves as an "Incubator of hatred" toward Russia. Of course this also tells something very important about the US/GB governments.

I suspect that those who adopt Russophobia position not for money (let's call them "sincere Russophobes") have a personality of sectants/fanatics in a very deep sense of this word. Or like Eric Hoffer called them "True Believers" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_True_Believer).

For though ours is a godless age, it is the very opposite of irreligious. The true believer is everywhere on the march, and both by converting and antagonizing he is shaping the world in his own image. And whether we are to line up with him or against him, it is well that we should know all we can concerning his nature and potentialities.

In a way sincere Russophobe's are almost extinct minority (but still can be found among Ukrainian nationalists ;-).

Russophobes for money

There a legion of "Russophobes for money". People who are profiting personally from Russophobia nonsense they spew. This is common among all those people who are far from the sharpest tools form the box. As a result they try to occupy a niche that is still available and earn living in such a disgusting way. At best they are average with very few exceptions (Belkovski might be one exception). In a way we can view it as a survival tactic of people with mediocre talent in conditions of high competition. Similar displacement into obscure niches can be observed for mediocre people in other professions.

This "Russophobia for money" is common among all those people who are far from the sharpest tools form the box. As a result they try to occupy a niche that is still available and earn living in such a disgusting way.

"Russophobia for money" is common among all those people who are far from the sharpest tools form the box. As a result they try to occupy a niche that is still available and earn living in such a disgusting way.

Cold War II as an attempt to slow down the pace of Russia modernization and preserve it as an "oil drum" for the West

Cold War II is rooted not in Ukrainian event (The EuroMaydan coup d'état was organized by the USA and Western powers; Crimea was only a pretext) but is closely connected with the neocon attempts to slow down the pace of Russia modernization and secure Russia status as resource vassal of the USA. Here is a part of discussion from Kremlin Stooge that touch this theme in relation to Skolkovo techno-park.

kievite:
April 13, 2011 at 6:15 pm

This is a very apt comment and I wish that your observation comes true. But the problem is that as you :

"The forces arrayed against Russia are sufficiently formidable and sufficiently unrelenting "

First of all the West is rich enough to finance substantial fifth column, especially fifth column media (official $70 millions for support of NGO and "alternative" press is just a tip of iceberg). That’s the essence of neo-colonialism do nothing new here. Also a large part of elite is already linked to the West and is not interested in any confrontation. Nothing new here too.

So the discussion about what level of state capitalism is beneficial (or where Medvedev should stop with his "second liberalization") is complex and far from purely technical one. External forces should be taken into account and once in a while liberalization companies to placate the West are not completely bad idea no matter how you view neoliberalism: state capitalism requires periodic "purges" (Stalin well understood that) and "liberalization" and, especially "fight with corruption" provides perfect pretext for purges. If one looks at some Medvedev’s actions from this angle and you might well come to conclusion that it might be not complete sell-off but a more complex game.

In situation when you need to purge excesses of state capitalism West can serve as a natural ally and in such situation slogan of cat Leopold "Rebyata davayte zhit’ druzhno" (Let’s be friends) suddenly became politically viable at least among the pro-Western part of the elite. And the idea of periodic moving the pendulum from "higher statism" to "higher private enterprise support" in order to avoid stagnation, say, each seven-ten year period is not completely absurd. The main question is whether the process runs out of control or not.

Another possible contention point is that sooner of later oil flow will start diminishing and with it revenues will also start dropping. Currently there are too few industries that can replace the flow the oil dollars. Attempt to revitalize some of the existing heavy industries under the flag of liberalization, if done clever is not a bad idea.

And as much as everybody here hates neoliberalism it is very clear about who should be the victim and provides an ideological justification for cruel actions against own population. Like Bolshevism, it proved to be an extremely potent weapon of convincing population to act against their own economic interests (see What’s the matter with Kansas for details). Perfect tool for the brainwashing "peasants" if you wish, very important when "Pryanikov sladkih vsegna ne hvataet na vseh" (Okudzhava ).

marknesop
April 13, 2011 at 8:50 pm I believe the oil money will go on for some time yet. Current practices are sloppy and inefficient, and more oil could be realized with better, more modern techniques, as well as new discoveries coming online. However, an early start on overhauling general business practices would be time and money well spent.

Medvedev should draw a lesson from Skolkovo. This is a project he has personally sponsored and touted as Russia’s official debut in the high-tech sector. Western response, overall, has been withering and contemptuous, although some major commercial figures (such as Microsoft) have offered early investment optimism. Collective opinion seems to be that Russia will use the new tech city as a base from which to steal foreign technology secrets from investors, or that it will be a dismal failure because Russians have no real ideas of their own. The west is likely to greet other initiatives by Medvedev in the same manner – hearty laughter, followed by offers to come in and make western-style changes for him, in exchange for certain considerations.

kievite
April 14, 2011 at 1:21 am

Very true. Thanks for the response.

You are right: Skolkovo is fuzzy (what exactly is "high-tech") initiative as first of all Medvedev can’t abolish brain-drain and that what will happens with the most talented researchers. The only realistic bait he has is blocking the companies from entering Russian market unless they provide considerable degree of localization and require that some fraction of research be performed in such parks. That’s a variant of policy that China successfully used. But if Russia joins WTO, tariff barriers to protect domestic producers in vital sectors will be more difficult to erect.

At the same time autarky does not work either. So maneuvering between those Scylla of globalization and Charybdis of autarky requires top political skills from the captain of the ship.

Some sectors of Russian heavy industry already are proved abroad and products already have some competitive advantage and export markets. That’s where this comparative advantage needs to be preserved and enhanced with help of techno-parks. State subsidized R&D is really important here and can be provided via small university based local techno parks. This would an excellent employment opportunity for most talented students who otherwise might emigrate and such parks not necessary need any foreign participation. This is especially important if company is partially state owned, as this along with having reps at the board that protects the investment. OK, I would agree, that it’s not necessary need to be people on minister level. It would be sad if he really wants not to reform or improve, but to dismantle state capitalism.

The real problem here that without oil revenue Russia gets into zugzwang. Hopefully, as you noted, that will not be soon.

marknesop
April 14, 2011 at 3:30 am

Yes, you’re right about Skolkovo; I did a piece on it awhile back (here) and Chinese tech parks were cited as an example. It’s funny how the west is all gaga over China, and just brushes off the fact that China has a considerably more predatory business model than does Russia; China shamelessly raids the west for business information and constantly tests them for weaknesses which might be exploited. But, obtusely, it’s Russia that’s held up as the consummate corporate raider.

I believe if Russia were allowed to join the WTO, fewer barriers would be necessary. There’s no reason foreign companies shouldn’t have to contribute to the local economy, but they should receive tradeoffs as well such as low corporate tax rates, and that was one of the considerations. Medvedev seems determined that Skolkovo will succeed, while some elements in the west are just as determined it will be a failure. We’ll see. Russia is a world leader in medical research, and I understand that will be a big part of Skolkovo as well.

Does Russia represent an alternative to the neoliberal economic/social model?

It is difficult to say where Putin's brand of mixture of neoliberal and state capitalism get him and Russian people. I would say that the answer is "reserved no". Currently Russia, while opposing the US hegemony does not provide an alternative economic model. And that's the weakness of "Putinism".

Here is a left-biased, but still very interesting assessment of the situation along similar lines: "All attempts by Russia to develop a hypothetical line of response based on similar strategies (i.e. mobilizing a social response based on discontent) have no future, because Russia does not represent an alternative social model, not even in the realm of Illusion of Hope. " ([Oct 21, 2014] Question: Does Russia represent an alternative to the current western economic/social model? Or is this view an illusion based only on the conflict between some traditional vs. post-modern values?):

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Un amable lector de este blog ha realizado un resumen en inglés de nuestro artículo Las catedrales del kremlin y el capitalismo multipolar; es un resumen diferente al que nosotros hubiéramos hecho, pero de interés sin duda alguna. Ha sido publicado como apoyo a una pregunta en un coloquio con el economista ruso Mikhail Khazin organizado por The vineyard of the saker. Publicaremos aquí la respuesta.

Question: Does Russia represent an alternative to the current western economic/social model? Or is this view an illusion based only on the conflict between some traditional vs. post-modern values? / Arturo

For context to the question I will provide a translation / paraphrase / summary of some key points in the following article Las catedrales del kremlin y el capitalismo multipolar

The article contains and numbers many more points (36 in total) but I have translated/summarized only the first 14 (the rest is provided is a very raw translation --NNB)

  1. Moscow cannot defeat the American plans – i.e. the Anglo Zionist world elite – without contradicting the class interests of its own elites (Russian oligarchs): This is impossible because the system of sanctions and the blocking of access to their accounts and assets in the West generates such contradictions in the Russian power elites that, in practice, it prevents them from reacting adequately; it puts them on their knees before the America.
  2. Russia *could* resist those plans, since it possesses the strength, sense of identity, historical memory and material resources to do so. But in order to do so, its ruling elites would have to take measures that would affect their own class status within both the Russian system and the international system. And we can see that these are measures they are not willing to take. On the other hand, the Anglo Zionists suffer no such internal contradiction. Quite the opposite, in fact: Their own interest as the supporting base of the globalist hyperclass necessarily forces them to maintain the challenge to the end.
  3. By the term Anglo Zionists, in this analysis, we mean the dominant power group whose territorial and military base resides in the United States, and whose center originates in the historical and social links of the Anglo-American oligarchies, branching off to other historical central metropolis in Europe or other power centers in different parts of the world.
  4. The concept is made up of two elements that must be explained: the first, the “anglo” reference, has to do with the North American British connection [...] the second, the “zionist” reference, has to do with the interconnection among the economic and financial power groups that maintain various kinds of links with Israel. It is not so much a reference to ethnic origin, but rather to orientations as groups or lobbies of political and economic interests. A good part of this Zionist component consists of people who are neither Israelis nor Jews, but who feel identified with the pro-Israel lobby in the United States, Britain and other countries. Thus the term “zionist” referees here to an ideology, not to an ethnic origin.
  5. The Anglo elites on both sides of the Atlantic have evolved from being national elites to being the executive base of a world Hyperclass made up of individuals capable of exerting a determining influence in the most powerful nation, the United States.
  6. The result of the Anglo Zionist line of attack is that the contradiction and internal struggle is now occurring in Moscow between those who have already chosen to sell out and those who have not yet found the time to realize that a multipolar global capitalism is not viable.
  7. In this context, recovering Crimea was a mirage, an illusion.
  8. If we compare the implications of the Maidan coup in Kiev with the liberation of Crimea, we see that the strategic defeat implicit in losing Ukraine as an ally is of such magnitude that everything else pales by co s (all of them) in Kiev was so gigantic that its implications are frightening. It was either a failure or something even worse. In any case, the Crimea affair was merely a small episode in a confrontation that Russia is losing.
  9. Russia arrived very late at modern capitalism, and that is why its current elite will be unable to occupy a space among the globalist elite without paying the necessary toll, which is none other than renouncing its territorial power base – its country and its access to and control of its energy resources and raw materials.
  10. Stubbornly maintaining the dispute in trying to obtain a multi-polar capitalism, leads necessarily to a intra-capitalist confrontation, as it did in 1914-1918. And because of the nature of the current actors, nuclear powers … it brings the conflict to 2.0 war versions (color revolutions)
  11. All attempts by Russia to develop a hypothetical line of response based on similar strategies (i.e. mobilizing a social response based on discontent) have no future, because Russia does not represent an alternative social model, not even in the realm of Illusion of Hope. It can only elicit some empathy from those who reject the American domination, but here the class contradictions come into play again, because it is not enough to oppose Washington merely on political-military grounds, since the key to global power resides in the financial and military structures that enable global control and plunder: World Trade Organization, IMF, Free Trade agreements, World Bank, NATO… these are entities in relation to which Russia only shows its displeasure at not being invited to the table as an equal, not accepting that because it arrived late at modern capitalism, it must play a secondary role. On the other hand, Russia is ignoring the deep contempt, bordering on racism, that things Slavic generate among Anglo Zionist elites.
  12. In order to be able to fight the 2.0 versions of war that are engineered today, an alternative social model is needed. Alternative not only in regard to the postmodern vs. traditional sets of values, but fundamentally in regard to the social model that stems from the modes of production. In the postmodern vs. traditional conflict, Russia tends to align with the most reactionary values. And in regard to the social struggle, they don’t want to enter that fray because they renounced it long ago. They renounced the entire Soviet Union, which they destroyed from within.
  13. The contradictions and the dialectical nature of reality have their own logic, however. Thus, a coup in Kiev and the widespread appearance of Nazi symbols in the streets of Ukraine was all that it took to induce a spontaneous reaction in the Slavic world. The popular resistance in the Donbass took strong root thanks to the historic memory of the people’s of the old USSR and its war against fascism.
  14. If Russia were to abandon Novorossia to the oligarchs and their mafias, the world’s “left” – or whatever remains of it — would come to scorn post-Soviet Russia even more than it already does. In the months following the brave action in Crimea and the heroic resistance in the Donbass, many people around the world looked to Moscow in search of some sign that it would support the anti-fascist and anti-oligarchic resistance, even if only as an act of self-defense by Moscow against the globalist challenge. If it finally abandons Novorossia, the price in terms of loss of moral prestige will be absolute.
  15. A support of the left has not been sought, but that is a collateral consequence of the character of class struggle open that has been given in the Donbas, where Russia has been forced to provide some assistance that would prevent the genocide at the hands of the fascist Ukrainian.
  16. Cuando say left, we refer logically to the one who has expressed their support to the struggle of people in the Donbas, as it is very difficult to consider the "left" to those who have preferred to remain silent or to have directly been complicit in the assault, and the coup in Kiev.
  17. The degradation of the left as politically active social force is very intense, their structures are embroiled in the collapse, or in the confusion, when not literally corrupt. Then related to both socialist parties since 1914 and the communists, at least from the time of fracture of 1956. The social changes experienced in Europe with the systems of welfare state, based on the elevation of the standard of living of the working population and the obtaining of social peace by sharing the power with the trade unions are at the base of the post-industrial society and the resulting profound changes of values.

    The suicide of the USSR in 1989-93 marked a brutal global change , in which the balance which was preserved during the cold war was broken. That led to the capitalist elite in the west, which we are calling the Anglo-Zionists, to the suspension of the social pact (forced abandonment of New Deal), that gave rise to the welfare state and the emergence stark reality of a global power of capitalists without systemic opposition . Today the whole neoliberal globalization system of capitalism is in danger by the depletion of the natural resources. And to sustain this mode of production, they need to speed up territorial domination in the form of control and access to resources of other countries. Now there no space in the global system for spaces, which are managed autonomously even to a certain level.

  18. The system of global domination, capitalism, ruling elites with a territorial basis in the area of Anglo-American, global parasitic Hyperclass and depletion of resources, as well as cannibalization of the other nations, in the midst of troika of crisis of climate change, peak of the energy and raw materials shortages. those three factors that challenge the current globalization framework ... And the crisis of Novorossia, been demonstrated both impotence and the lack of real political autonomy of Russian elite with the respect to the dominant power in neoliberal worlds order..
  19. The new citizen movements in the western world are not so much resistance movements as samples of the discontent of the middle classes in precarious position of marginalization and/or social trance. This protest led to a "Maidans" which are not permanent and does not question the basis of the system. The participants seems to believe that it is possible to restore the old good world of the welfare state.
  20. The western movements are brainwashed by messages emanating from the headquarters of Democratic party of North America, the propaganda anarcho-capitalist and the various networks of ideological interference, are managing to break the bonds of historical memory that unite the struggles of the past with the present, de-ideologize the struggles and conflicts and to deny the tension left and right, isolating the militants -- or simple citizens who feel identified with the values of the left - of the masses who are suffering in the first place casualisation. At the heart of this new "left" are leaders that are co-opted voices, pseudo-intellectuals who destroy the words and empty of content of key concepts in a way that the alienation of the masses demonstrate at the language itself, thus preventing putting a real name to social process and things, and to identify the social phenomena.
  21. Viva to Russia, which the only country which eve in a weak form decided to fight neoliberal world order and position itself as an anti-imperialist force... It is interesting to observe the current great moral confusion in political landscape of the societies in decay. Confusion which have been stimulated by Moscow actions. As the result some the far-right groups that are simultaneously anti-US that anti-Russian now support Moscow. Also some part of Russia far-right political groups got the sympathy and support of factions of the anti EU far right forces in France, the Nazis of the MSR in Spain, and from small groups of euro-asianists. This line of political affiliation will allow them to simply join the Russia failure [to find alternative to monopolar neoliberal capitalism] and might well discredit then more profoundly in the future.
  22. The euro-asianists forces technically speaking are reactionary forces, neoliberal forces which is comparable to the worst of the worst in the western world. Moreover, they do not have any way to solve the main contradictions that arise in the current neoliberal model in the terms of class and dominance of Anglo Zionist global elite.
  23. Euro-Asianism is just a suitable ideology for the construction of Russian national idea for those who seeks to achieve lease to life for Russia sovereignty on the world stage. It is the actual proof that Russia has come too late to globalised capitalism and fascism...
  24. Huttington and his war of civilizations cynically exploit this confrontation on Anglo Zionist elite and newcomers, redefining it along the idea of the clash of civilizations which avoid using the notion of class and thus is ideologically false. Alexander Duguin who promote similar ideas quite seriously just shows the degree of degeneration of the Russian intelligentsia, which oscillates between serving as comprador class to the global Anglo Zionist elite and the repetition (as a farce, and with 75 years of delay ) of fascist reactionary revolutions in Western Europe, which were phenomenon of the interwar period (rexistas in Belgium, Croix de feu in France, CruzFlechados in Hungary, Requetés and Falangistas in Spain).
  25. The globalist elite offered a solution formulated in class terms, as it could not be another way: in the best cases, they proposes the co-optation to a handful of members of the Russian elite as deserving members of the new global Hyperclass, but this path is opened only the very very rich, and the pre-condition is the delivery of the country to plunder, where the global elite certainly would have need of some compradors which will be more or less adequately compensated depending on their achievements and sacrifices in the name of global neoliberal domination.
  26. The part of the power elite of Russia, which managed to expel the western compradors of the Yeltsin era, and rein in the oligarchs then, had tried with some success to regain control of the territory of the country. The illusion of the members of this part of the power elite -- basically the security services, both civil and military, and various synergies of those with the military-industrial lobby -- is that it would be enough to neutralize the Russian fifth column of the Anglo Zionists to take back control of their territorial base of power. this idea is going to be shredded into pieces when it enter into contradiction with the reality of the class struggle and interests of the elite at the global level. Russia is, for its size, influence, and resources, so huge that a line of action based on the defense of its sovereignty strategic enters in collision with the global power of neoliberalism. And that why it attracts disproportional reaction of the Anglo Zionists
  27. Supporters of Anglo Zionists that are ready to consent to a German-Russian alliance or Russia-EU alliance that give the viability of a idea of mutually beneficial co-development of both Russia and Europe are forgetting that such an action would require European sovereignty. Which is was non-existent iether on the level of the EU, or on the level of member states. The penetration of the Atlantism in Europe is already systemic. In the old European states there are still ancient national traditions, which were based on the basis of cultural, industrial, economic, and political identity. And they still run strong. But in the current situation for such states there no space for the sovereignty as the dominant power bloc in the national elite as well as in EU elite are Atlantists. Where this situation takes the Russian elite and the Russian state without confrontation? A confrontation that they, on the other hand are not willing and are not able to pursue.
  28. The multi-polar capitalist world had its lifespan which come to an end (exploded) in 1914. In 2014, the globalization of the elites and the capital is of such magnitude that no serious resistance is possible on the basis of some capitalist model. In those conditions the idea of Russian elite ability to enforce change to multipolar version of the currently monopolar neoliberal world is doomed to be a failure.
  29. Zbigniew Brezinsky has raised things crudely and openly, unlike the ("fake") supporters of perestroika, and their current heirs in Russia. Brezinsky know how to think in terms of the class contradiction and knows perfectly well that the Russian oligarchy has directed its monetary flows abroad, moved families abroad, and moved their investments abroad. That means that Anglo Zionists can disrupt any claim of sovereignty over the territory and resources by simply pressing the local neoliberal elite, giving them to choose between their interests as a class and their illusionary desire for sovereignty. Because in a globalized world, with its brutal fight for the natural resources there is no possibility of maintaining both, except what can be achieved in terms of direct anti-imperialist struggle. There is no space for the national bourgeoisies in the XXI century. You can only have sovereignty if it is posed in terms of a rupture with the actually existing neoliberal order of global capitalism, which, in its core is Anglo Zionists globalization. This break does not have to be forced, but in terms of scientific analysis of the social processes is a logical consequence of following this path one way or the other. To claim sovereignty over their own resources and territory inevitably leads to confrontation, and logical needs a break up and confront the Anglo Zionist empire. If you really want to achieve the goal. And that fact imposes the logic of the relationships and balance of power in the world today.
  30. The claims of the BRIC countries -- to the extent that you do not question them -- is that they have an alternative model to the dominant neoliberal capitalism model (Ango Zionist globalization with the center in the USA) are doomed to be a failure. The efforts of the BRIC countries can generate a lot of noise and discomfort for the West, but they can not break the global neoliberal system. Those countries are rightfully fearful of their budget balances -- which are very fragile. It can be even said that they are on their way to implosion sooner or later, due to the unbalanced structure of their internal classes, including first of all their own elite.
  31. The claim that it is possible to achieve the multipolar capitalist world (which Russia defends) and which led to current Ukrainian crisis without confrontation is false. As soon as Russia wanted to return to the global chessboard. as an independent player, they instantly saw opponents attacking weak elements of their defense at the borders. Ukraine has been a defeat for Russia and the Crimea is not a adequate compensation for loss of Ukraine. Now Novorossia is being sacrificed precisely because the class contradictions that have emerged in Moscow and lack of desire of Russian elite to go the bitter end.
  32. The situation in the Donbas / Novorossia clearly shows the resignation of Moscow to the victory, and their desire to avoid the clash with neoliberal world order. The fact is that Royal Dutch Shell has already begun the fracking in the Donbas, the coup regime in Kiev are already internationally accepted without reservations, the truce imposed in Novorossia has brought to its knees the armed resistance to junta. All this leads way to deliver Novorossia to the hands of mafias sponsored by the local oligarchs with friends in Kiev and Moscow.
  33. Statement that the destiny of Russia was played in the Donbas is something more than a phrase, It is a claim based on a reality, as the defeat of Novorossia would be the proof that Moscow had not the will to struggle. The betrayal of the fighters and the hopes of Novorossia is the acceptance of the defeat and might lead in the future to the victory to the Moscow Maidan, the same alliance of compradors and nationalists using which as storm troopers the globalist elite achieved their goal in Ukraine. If Novorossia is defeated, they can expect being able to push a puppet into the Kremlin the same way. And not without reason. This summer, the heroic struggle of the militia of the Donbas was the key element that forced the changes of the script designed for Kiev as well as diminished chances of successful application of the same methods in Moscow. The Minsk Agreements and the truce imposed by them are putting Novorossia on its knees, allowing for its destruction, but this time at the hands of their allies. Sad spectacle for the Russian security services, which were effective enough to organize the Donbas resistance, but now are useless and powerless before the neofascist Kiev junta.
  34. The struggle of the Donbas does not correspond to the strategic interests of the Russian elite. They have been forced to intervene to prevent the horror of the mass murder of the population of the Donbas at the hands of the extreme right. But the dream of a Donbas free of oligarchs and with a sovereign state, committed to social justice for workers on this Slavic land are completely incompatible with the post-soviet status quo. Only to the extent that there is a significant faction of Russian elite aware of the contradictions of the global neoliberal game and who put their sense of patriotism first can lead them to face the challenge that they face. Only in this case there would be any possibility of resistance; I would say patriotic resistance, because we already know no one at the top is able to think in terms of class.
  35. While very unlikely - there can be a move from February to October in Novorossia. You would say impossible. But he insurrection of the Donbas in March, logically was "February". In order to achieve victory, to take full control over the territory of Donetsk and Lugansk needs creation of the Revolutionary Military Council and suspension of the upcoming elections. which looking to be a smokescreen for capitulation to junta. They need to declare that they are ready to resist to the end. This output would be desperate move, without a doubt, and would represent the equivalent of a new "October". The event which of it occurs would force Moscow to show their cards to their own population. And perhaps it can help to generate a pulse necessary for the organization of the fight with Anglo Zionists empire between the towers of the Kremlin. That would move the fight toward more patriotic and popular goals, But this presuppose a lot of assumptions and first of all that such a "Kremlin tower", which is capable of emitted such a pulse, exists. Only in this case we can talk about achieving a real sovereignty. As Vasily Záitsev in Stalingrad suggested: "Maybe we're doomed, but for the moment we are still the masters and lords of our land." In Novorossia there are plenty of fighters who would agree with Záitsev, but they certainly lack political direction and, now the lack the support of Kremlin.
  36. The Russian objective is achieving a multipolar capitalism with a Russia united under a nationalist ideology based on the manipulation of patriotic sentiment, Orthodoxy and various Slavic myths. This objective is being challenged by the reality of the conflict, which should be defined in terms of geopolitical goals. The reality is that the Russian elite would be allowed to control their population as they wish, provided they renounce its sovereignty over territory and resources, renounce their physical power base, i.e. homeland. This is the nature of the challenge. Putin is mistaken if he thinks that the Grand Patriarch has the answer in their holy books. There is not enough incense in the Kremlin cathedrals to mask that reality.”

Demonization of Putin as part of Russophobia

The Demonization of Putin is Not a Policy.
It is an Alibi for the Absence of One

Henry Kissinger

Now let's discuss attempts to demonize Putin by Western MSM. They can be understood only in context of rabid Russophobia of US neocons and their poodles in GB and other Western countries (especially in Germany).

Being tactful of Putin is one thing that I would not criticize the US press for ;-). If only because the track record disqualify them from lecturing, but because one simple fact: I remember how they covered the Chechen disaster and how they covered Iraq invasion by the USA. I strongly dislike Chechen war, as do most Russians. However, it is true that Chechen fundamentalists financed by Saudis have killed hundreds of Caucasian and Russian civilians and were a real threat to the Russian society, whereas the Iraqis were no practical threat to the USA.

Another problem with demonizing Putin is that no one in the US political system is willing to criticize the policies of Boris Yeltsin, which ruined the majority of Russian people, falsified elections and included criminals in his inner circle under close guidance of the USA. Sometime it looks to me that the real Axis of Evil runs somewhere between K Street and Constitution Avenue.

And in addition most of US neocons who dominated the USA foreign policy establishment sincerely consider themselves the only game in town. While understanding very little, or absolutely nothing about other countries. And that is statement is equally applicable to neocons dominated MSM such as NYT and Wash Post. American exeptionalism is uniquely blinding phenomenon.

It is actually pretty sad to read the infinite low of articles written without any desire to understand the complex situation in modern Russia. Neocons analytics in regard to Russia is nauseating propaganda. The logic behind such articles is invariably hostile. Moscow either weak or repressive or both. If Moscow sees some processes as a threat, it is racist, if it just lets it happen, it is weak.

No good solution for Russia ever exists according to these people. And it would be better for Russia and the rest of the world if it disappears from the face of Earth as quickly as possible.

See Demonization of Putin for more details.

Apartheid regime in Baltic countries as part of Russophobia campaign launched after dissolution of the USSR

Another influential part of world Russophobic community are Apartheid regimes established in Baltic countries with the direct help of the USA government and, especially, USA emigrant organizations. Western Ukraine also fit this scenario (and after EuroMaidan putsch Western Ukrainian far right nationalists came to power).

Baltic countries refuse to provide citizenship to people of different ethnicity who lawfully lived in them during the USSR period (which lasted half a century or so). Here is an insightful take on Russophobia from veteran Novosty journalist by Pyotr Romanov

A Dispassionate View on Russophobia

10/04/2006

Ability to write about Russophobia dispassionately is similar to the ability to maintain dignity when somebody unexpectedly poor a dirty water all over your head. However, as far as possible, try to talk about this phenomenon, no offense. We will not resent the fact that the "Russian, according to British press - the most stupid in the world." Smile at the argument that the "war against Napoleon won the non-Russian, and lice." We will not discuss with the Japanese man in the street, which feels an antipathy to us, among other things because all the cold storms come on the street it from Russia.

Forget about the Finns, who, according to Western opinion polls, do not love us more than any foreigners. And this at a time when, according to domestic opinion polls, that the Finns have the highest Russian sympathies.

What to do: love evil. In short, keep yourself in hand. It is better to remember the words of George Nathaniel Curzon Marquis, Viceroy of India and at the time the British Foreign Minister: "Every Englishman comes to Russia as Russophobe, and left as a Russophile" This means that in the basis of antipathy towards the Russian lies ignorance and myths. Partly born of life itself, partly by skillful professionals employed by our political opponents: there is such a thing as information warfare. And this is not limited to the Soviet period, but can be traced since ancient times. The disappearance of the Soviet Union did not affect Russophobia much. "New Thinking", which Gorbachev dreamed about never materialized. There is also historical memory. If we talk about ethnophobias, this is an inexhaustible source of poisoned water.

We can present many additional examples, but even from what has been said above, it is clear that the problem is multifaceted and so deeply ingrained in the mind of a typical Western person (to say nothing about establishment -- NNB) that for Russians it is better to forget about an illusion that it can be cured or even drastically changed. Each countermeasure is only a palliative solution.

Thus we should not deceive ourselves - any countermeasure is only palliative. Russophobia glow can be reduced, but to end it might be impossible as is the case with other ethnophoibias.

However, even to lower the level of Russophobia is a difficult undertaking which requires considerable intellectual efforts and financial investments. In addition, the Russian professionals in the field of foreign media (or propaganda, sorry for such old-fashioned word) are long time already listed in the "red book". After the collapse of the Soviet Union, the new government decided that the professionals who know how to work with foreign media are no longer needed, everything will be done automatically: our friends Bill and Helmut will help. In extreme cases, retired professionals can be without problems replaced by the young and energetic sneakers merchants. It did not happen. Meanwhile, the bad image of Russia means for the country significant economic and political losses.

When it comes to Russophobia, the questions usually turns out to be a surplus, but the answers, even the most sophisticated, almost always may be subject to reasoned criticism. This is further evidence of the complexity and ambiguity of the problem. For example, surveys carried out by foreigners, record that in recent years the attitude to the Russian in almost all countries around the world deteriorated. It would seem that there is nothing to rejoice, meanwhile, history has repeatedly argued that a weakened Russia is far less negative feelings abroad than Russia on the path to recovery, when she, like Phoenix, once again rises from the ashes. Thus, the sharp deterioration of perceptions of Russia by foreigners can simultaneously be a sign that Moscow is perusing a wrong policy, and, conversely, that is peruse absolutely correct policy. It is difficult to sort out.

By the way, if we were talking about the West here, it is curious to see how the West steps for many centuries on the same rake. Whenever Russia is experiencing the most difficult times, Western politicians, believing Russia is close to death, begin to seriously talk about her vivisection, and, conversely, when the "deceased" Russia suddenly opens his eyes, the West falls into mortal fear and hysteria. So it was during the Troubled Times, when the Poles, Swedes and British tried to split Russian lands apart. Under Tsar Alexei Mikhailovich, when Russia was still weakened Western Europe for the sake of preserving peace in its own backyard identified zones of expansion of the major European powers: our motherland, according to this "peace plan", was granted to the Swedes. The only thing that did not consider the German philosopher, mathematician, lawyer and theologian, Gottfried Leibniz -- the author of this ingenious plan -- the birth of Peter the Great. By the end of the reign of Peter Sweden ceased to be a great power, Russia become an empire, and a Russian soldier, frightened Europe to such hiccups, from which it can not escape for a long time.

Then there was the defeat in the Crimean War, which, as it seemed to many European politicians, forever cemented lag Russian from the outside world, but came to the liberal reforms of Alexander II, who once again raised Russia from its knees. Later there was a First World, revolution, civil war, and those event immediately generated Churchill plan to put an end to Russia once and forever, dismembering her to pieces. And this project also ended in failure, but instead came back scared the West Europeans almost to death, the Soviet Union.

Finally, the collapse of the USSR has created new hopes, and the emergence of a Russian helm of Putin produced a new disappointment: hatred intermixed with fear. Here are typical in the West, the view expressed by one of the Italian journalists: "The USSR is considered a country, lost forever. The recent emergence of Russia as a nation state was a bolt from the sky. " And that's madam did not know yet what order book of Russian defense enterprises in the past year increased by 61%, as recently reported by Russian President. Thunder would be simply deafening.

In short, we are dealing with a déjà vu all over gain: the same way foreign press treated Russia in Europe and after the Troubled Times and after the Crimean War, and after the Revolution of 1917 .

Of course, the fact that due to the fear of Russian bear whose jaws are in Europe, and the tail is located in the Far East, simultaneously flourish Russophobia, does not make Russians happy. But I personally, if we have to choose, prefer to have a strong Russia with a undesirable side effect in the form of Russophobia, than the Russian bear's skin over the fireplace in some western office, which the owner, proudly showing visitors, affectionately scratching behind his ear. Without experiencing any of Russophobia!

Are there any tools that would provide the West at least a middle ground between a pathological fear of Russian and not less pathological contempt for her? I think it is. All I will not enumerate them all. But one thing worth mentioning is mandatory. Necessary, finally, once and for all clear the historic debris, which is really to blame Russian. We can remember, say, Russian-Polish friction because of Katyn. The fact that Stalin's regime committed a crime, we know the whole world, but Russia, including the modern Russia, could not find the courage to tell the whole truth about the Polish tragedy. If you want to, once again apologize, and most importantly to pass, finally, Warsaw, all at our disposal documents. In the end, there are still living relatives of the victims, who have every right to know how their relatives died. Why this is not done until now, I can not understand, especially because the crime is committed not this generation, but fundamentally different, the Stalinist regime.

At the same time, giving the necessary debt, in my opinion, in any case we can not forget about our own claims. Unlike its neighbors, we all too easy to forgive, but it does not promote respect for Russia. Yes, there was Katyn. But until it was no less terrible fate of the Russian prisoners who fell into the hands of the Poles after the failure of the famous Tukhachevsky offensive of Warsaw. There are undeniable evidence how they treated those prisoners, both in Russia and the West. Division of assistance to POW in Poland of the American Union of Christian youth on October 20, 1920 noted that the Russian prisoners were kept in deplorable conditions: indoors, totally unsuitable for housing, with no furniture, sleeping aids, and most importantly - no glass in the windows, despite the cold. In the prisoners had no shoes, clothing, medicines, not enough medical personnel, food. All of the above, conclude U.S. observers, leads "to the rapid extinction of prisoners of war." Really dying by the thousands. No wonder the Lviv newspaper "Forward" December 22, 1920 calls Tuchola camp a "death camp". Thus, Katyn and Tuchola stand side by side. And it is necessary to treat this and ask the Poles of repentance for the brutal treatment of Russian. By the way, we should not have any illusion. About the same barbaric way the Red Army prisoners of war were treated, Baltic states treated the White Army Yudenich forces which retreat to their land. They allowed to passed then through the border in small groups, then confiscated all the weapon, after another mile all the valuables, and then clothes. So they beat is on the based on ideology but simply because they were Russians. Defending our ancestors who were subjected to abuse, we are seeking not only justice but also of self-respect. Man, do not mindful of kinship, respect is not deserved.

However, even if it has been said above about Russophobia, only a small drop in the cap or a smallest piece of a huge iceberg.

In addition, there is still the main problem, without deal with which all the fighting Russophobia is meaningless. This problem is ourselves: our standard of living, our culture, the development of our civil society, our internal and foreign policy, our military and economic power. Weak are always subject to humiliation: that is, unfortunately, human nature.

Any countermeasures -- although without them it situation might get worse -- no matter how sophisticated and skilled as they are, still no substitute for that, I'm talking about. So, first of all, to deal with all of us Russophobia requires a healthy and strong Russia. The fact that in this country and to live pleasantly, of course.

The old wisdom says, to be respected around, start to start to respect himself - a thing that you have created with their own hands.

And there, staring, reconsider their views on the Russian, even touchy Finns.

Coverage of Russia in Western MSMs resembles war propaganda

 
The Western media even before the Ukrainian Maidan was broadcast events in Russia exclusively in a negative way. Attempts are being made to discredit almost all Russian initiatives and projects, ranging from the Olympics to the elections of the President, etc. For the implementation of anti-Russian propaganda standard techniques of "projection" polished in color revolutions were used. That includes activization via NGOs of the opposition media and opposition figures within the country. The set of  "prisoners of conscience" was created from   academics, businessmen and politicians, who, for various reasons, wished to leave Russia for the West. Corrupt businessmen, who escaped to the West to avoid prosecution in Russia became prisoner of conscience and political oppositionist on the moment they cross the border. Anti-Russian propaganda aims in stressing civilizational, cultural, intellectual backwardness of Russia compared "advanced and enlightened" West.

The purpose of this propaganda "strangulation" of Russia is instituting "regime change" and bring to power the second generation of compradors. As well as further dismemberment of its territory. Some forms on internal conflict are supported as a part of destabilization strategy. With the ultimate goal of second partitioning of Russia and the emergence of new quasi-independent States.

To understand the coverage of Russia in western MSM one needs to understand the mechanisms of war propaganda. The latter is guided by the following postulates well known since the WWI (Falsehood in War-Time):

1. We do not want war.
2. The opposite party alone is guilty of war.
3. The enemy is the face of the devil.
4. We defend a noble cause, not our own interest.
5. The enemy systematically commits cruelties; our mishaps are involuntary.
6. The enemy uses forbidden weapons.
7. We suffer small losses, those of the enemy are enormous.
8. Artists and intellectuals back our cause.
9. Our cause is sacred. "The ages-old 'God bless America' is playing once more."
10. All who doubt our propaganda, are traitors.

This topic is discussed in more details elsewhere, but a good starting point is the book Propaganda: The Formation of Men's Attitudes (1965/1973) by French philosopher, theologian, legal scholar, and sociologist Jacques Ellul. This book was one the first attempt to study propaganda from a sociological approach as well as a psychological one. It presents a taxonomy for propaganda methods, including such paired opposites as

During World War II, Ellul was a leader in the French resistance after being discharged as a professor from French universities by the Vichy regime. After France's liberation, he became professor at the University of Bordeaux. He authored 58 books and numerous articles over his lifetime, the dominant theme of which has been the threat to human freedom created by modern technology. In 1947, Ellul was appointed chair of law and social history at the Institut d'études politiques that increased his reputation as a social and political philosopher which led to the publication of his works in the United States. Here is an abridged Wikipedia summary:

Background of propaganda attacks against Russia

...."The Institute for Propaganda Analysis, inspired by Harold Lasswell" defined propaganda as "the expression of opinions or actions carried out deliberately by individuals or groups with a view to influencing the opinions or actions of other individuals or groups for predetermined ends and through psychological manipulations".[3]

This definition seemed more accurate and was supported by others such as Goebbels, a German propagandist, who stated, "We do not talk to say something, but to obtain a certain effect."[ Similarly F.C. Bartlett holds an accurate interpretation of the goal of propaganda as not merely as an instrument to increase political understanding of events, but to obtain results through action. Ellul supports the idea that propaganda is made primarily because of a will to action for the purpose of effectively arming policy made by the State. Leonard Doob, an American specialist, defined propaganda in 1948 as "the attempt to affect the personalities and to control the behavior of individuals towards desired ends."

Unending definitions show the uncertainty among specialists and the inability of definitions to encompass all that is propaganda. Just because the term propaganda cannot be defined with any degree of precision does not mean that attempts to define it should be abandoned.

"Very frequently propaganda is describe as a manipulation for the purpose of changing idea or opinions of making individuals 'believe' some idea or fact, and finally of making them adhere to some doctrine—all matters of the mind. It tries to convince, to bring about a decision, to create a firm adherence to some truth. This is a completely wrong line of thinking: to view propaganda as still being what it was in 1850 is to cling to an obsolete concept of man and of the means to influence him; it is to condemn oneself to understand nothing about propaganda. The aim of modern propaganda is no longer to modify ideas, but to provoke action. It is no longer to change adherence to a doctrine, but to make the individual cling irrationally to a process of action. It is no longer to transform an opinion but to arouse an active and mythical belief."

...He holds that the main concern of propaganda through psychological influence is sparking action to a desired response by developing learned attitudes. ....

Summary of chapters

Propaganda: The Formation of Men's Attitudes is divided into five substantive chapters discussing Ellul’s analysis. Introduction

Regardless of the State, propaganda should be viewed as situated at the center of the growing powers of governmental and administrative techniques.

"Differences in political regimes matter little; differences in social levels are more important; and most important is national self-awareness. Propaganda is a good deal less the political weapon of a regime (it is that also) than the effect of a technological society that embraces the entire man and tends to be a completely integrated society. Propaganda stops man from feeling that things in society are oppressive and persuades him to submit with good grace."[7] Chapter One: Characteristics of Propaganda

Modern propaganda is a technique that requires an analysis of both environment and individual to be subjected to propaganda therefore it is based on scientific analyses of psychology and sociology. Sufficient understanding of these two areas creates the most effective propaganda and without the scientific research of modern psychology and sociology there would be no propaganda. "Step by step the propagandist builds the techniques on the basis of his knowledge of man, his tendencies, his desires, his needs, his psychic mechanisms, his conditioning, and as much on social psychology as on depth psychology."[8] 1.Part One: External Characteristics

Propaganda is first and foremost concerned with influencing an individual psychologically by creating convictions and compliance through imperceptible techniques that are effective only by continuous repetition. Propaganda employs encirclement on the individual by trying to surround man by all possible routes, in the realm of feelings as well as ideas, by playing on his will or his needs through his conscious and his unconscious, and by assailing him in both his private and his public life.[9] The propagandist also acknowledges the most favorable moment to influence man is when an individual is caught up in the masses. Propaganda must be total in that utilizes all forms of media to draw the individual into the net of propaganda. Propaganda is designed to be continuous within the individual's life by filling the citizen’s entire day. It is based on slow constant impregnation that functions over a long period of time exceeding the individual’s capacities for attention or adaptation and thus his capabilities of resistance. In order for propaganda to maintain encirclement, it must be exerted by an organization capable of influencing psychological channels that reach the individual. Psychological and physical actions are inseparable elements to propaganda, however, if no influence is exerted by an organization than there can be no propaganda because it cannot operate in a vacuum. The necessity for a physical organization limits propaganda enterprises and in order to be effective propaganda must work inside a group, principally inside a nation. Propaganda must first organize the masses in order to propagandize within the masses. In general, propaganda is a set of methods employed by an organized group that wants to bring about the active or passive participation in its actions of a mass of individuals, psychologically unified through psychological manipulations and incorporated into an organization.[10] Propaganda should no longer be viewed in terms of an orthodoxy but rather modern propaganda should be seen as an orthopraxy because it aims for participation not adherence. Participation can be active or passive: active if propaganda has been able to mobilize the individual for action; passive if the individual does not act directly but psychologically supports that action. 2. Part Two: Internal Characteristics The second major element that a propagandist must understand is the environment in which the individual operates, mainly the foci of interest of the public. An understanding of the conventional patterns and stereotypes that pre-exist in a milieu provide the propagandist with material from which to build off. Propaganda is not able to create something out of nothing and is confined to developing pre-existing material thereby expressing the fundamental currents of the society it seeks to influence. These currents include accepted structures such as collective sociological presuppositions and myths that are fundamental to society.

"The Four Great Collective Sociological Presuppositions in the Modern World: 1.That an individual's aim in life is happiness. 2.That man is naturally good. 3.That history develops in endless progress. 4.That everything is matter.

The Collective Myths: 1.of Work 2.of Happiness 3.of the Nation 4.of Youth 5.of the Hero"[11]

These currents reinforce socieand hold man’s mjor convictions and propa ganda must voice this reality. Propaganda is concerned with timeliness since an individual is only moved to action if he is pushed towards a timely one by propaganda. Once it becomes history it inevitably becomes neutral and indifferent to the individual who is sensitive primarily to current news. "Operational words" are used to penetrate an individual’s indifference. However they lose their value as immediacy passes as old facts are replaced by new ones. The "current events man" is carried along the current of news and caught in the events of today, losing interest in the events of yesterday. The indifferent are apolitical and without opinion, therefore they are outside of propaganda’s grasp. Incidentally, there are also the undecided, people whose opinions are vague, who form the majority of citizens within the collective. These citizens are the most susceptible to control of public opinion that is dictated by propaganda. Lastly, this part discusses propaganda and truth or the ability of propaganda to relay something as true based not on the accuracy of facts but of reality. Propaganda veils the truth with falsehoods even though lying is generally to be avoided. 3. Part Three: Categories of Propaganda Presented in this chapter is a sophisticated taxonomy for propaganda, including such paired opposites as political-sociological, vertical-horizontal, rational-irrational, and agitation-integration.

Political vs. Sociological Propaganda:

Political Propaganda involves techniques of influence employed by a government, a party, an administration, or a pressure group with the intention of changing the behavior of the public. The themes and objectives of this type of propaganda are of a political nature. The goals are determined by the government, party, administration, or pressure group. The methods of political propaganda are calculated in a precise manner and its main criteria is to disseminate an ideology for the very purpose of making various political acts acceptable to the people.[12] There are two forms of political propaganda, tactical and strategic. Tactical political propaganda seeks to obtain immediate results within a given framework. Strategic political propaganda is not concerned with speed but rather it establishes the general line, the array of arguments, and the staging of campaigns.

Political propaganda reversed is sociological propaganda because the ideology is penetrated by means of its sociological context. Propaganda, as it is traditionally known, implies an attempt to spread an ideology through the mass media of communication in order to lead the public to a desired action. In sociological propaganda even media that are not controllable such as individual art work, films, and writing reflect the ideology allowing for an accelerated penetration of the masses and the individuals within them.[13]

Sociological propaganda is a phenomenon where a society seeks to integrate the maximum number of individuals into itself by unifying its members’ behavior according to a pattern, spreading its style of life abroad, and thus imposing itself on other groups. Essentially sociological propaganda aims to increase conformity with the environment that is of a collective nature by developing compliance with or defense of the established order through long term penetration and progressive adaptation by using all social currents. The propaganda element is the way of life with which the individual is permeated and then the individual begins to express it in film, writing, or art without realizing it. This involuntary behavior creates an expansion of society through advertising, the movies, education, and magazines. "The entire group, consciously or not, expresses itself in this fashion; and to indicate, secondly that its influence aims much more at an entire style of life."[14] This type of propaganda is not deliberate but springs up spontaneously or unwittingly within a culture or nation. This propaganda reinforces the individual’s way of life and represents this way of life as best. Sociological propaganda creates an indisputable criterion for the individual to make judgments of good and evil according to the order of the individual’s way of life. Sociological propaganda does not result in action, however, it can prepare the ground for direct propaganda. From then on, the individual in the clutches of such sociological propaganda believes that those who live this way are on the side of the angels, and those who don’t are bad.[15]

Vertical vs. Horizontal Propaganda: Vertical propaganda is similar to direct propaganda that aims at the individual in the mass and is renewed constantly. However, in horizontal propaganda there is no top down structure but rather it springs up from within the group. It involves meticulous encirclement that traps an individual involuntarily in dialectic. The individual is led unfailingly to its adherence by talking about the dialectic until the individual discovers the answer that was set up unconsciously for him to find. Schools are a primary mechanism for integrating the individual into the way of life.

Rational vs. Irrational Propaganda:

Propaganda is addressed to the individual on the foundation of feelings and passions which are irrational, however, the content of propaganda does address reason and experience when it presents information and furnishes facts making it rational as well. It is important for propaganda to be rational because modern man needs relation to facts. Modern man wants to be convinced that by acting in a certain way he is obeying reason in order to have self justification. The challenge is creating an irrational response on the basis of rational and factual elements by leaving an impression on an individual that remains long after the facts have faded away. Individuals are not compelled to act based facts but rather on emotional pressure, the vision of the future, or the myth.

Agitation vs. Integration propaganda: Propaganda of agitation seeks to mobilize people in order to destroy the established order and/or government. It seeks rebellion by provoking a crisis or unleashing explosive movements during one. It momentarily subverts the habits, customs, and beliefs that were obstacles to making great leap forward by addressing the internal elements in each of us. It eradicates the individual out of his normal framework and then proceeds to plunge him into enthusiasm by suggesting extraordinary goals which nevertheless seem to him completely within reach. However, this enthusiasm can only last a short duration so the objective must be achieved quickly followed by a period of rest. People cannot be kept at in a "state of perpetual enthusiasm and insecurity". Rebellion is incited by the propagandist who knows that hate is one of the most profitable resources when drawn out of an individual. Agitation propaganda is usually thought of as propaganda in that it aims to influence people to act. Integration propaganda, on the other hand, is a more subtle form that aims to reinforce cultural norms. This is sociological in nature because it provides stability to society by supporting the "way of life" and the myths within a culture. It is propaganda of conformity that requires participation in the social body. This type of propaganda is more prominent and permanent, yet it is not as recognized as agitation propaganda because it is more permanent manner. Basically, agitation propaganda provides the motive force when needed and when not needed integration propaganda provides the context and backdrop. Chapter Two: The Condition for the Existence of Propaganda

The nature of propaganda has changed over the course of time and yet it is evident that propaganda cannot exist without a milieu. The emergence of propaganda is interconnected with technology and scientific discoveries yet it can only appear and grow under certain conditions. Several events have occurred that have furthered propaganda by increasing its ability in depth and discovering new methods. Modern propaganda could not exist without the mass media or modern means of transportation which permit crowds of diverse individuals from all over to assemble easily and frequently. 1.Part One: The Sociological Conditions

Society must contain elements of both an individualist society and a mass society. Propaganda aims to capture both the mass and the individual at the same time through this dual type of society. A mass society is based on individuals that are reduced to ciphers based on what they have in common to others. First conditions for growth and development of modern propaganda: it emerged in Western Europe in the nineteenth century and the first half of the twentieth precisely because that was when society was becoming increasingly individualistic and its organic structures were breaking down. Individuals without natural organic local groups are defenseless and more likely to be caught up in a social current. On the other hand, a mass society has considerable population density in which local structures and organizations are weak, currents of opinion are strongly felt creating a certain psychological unity, and individuals are organized into large and influential collectives. Mass society is characterized by uniformity and material life despite differences of environment. Once a mass society is created, public opinion will begin to play a role to help individuals form their own personal opinion. Public opinion can only express itself through channels which are provided by the mass media of communication without which there could be no propaganda. Yet it is important that mass media be subject to centralized control in order to successfully form public opinion without any opposition. Again Ellul mentions that the individual must be caught in wide net of media through all channels. Once opinion has been formed, propaganda is able to reinforce it and transform opinion into action. 2. Part Two: Objective Conditions of Total Propaganda Propaganda thrives off of what individuals have in common with others to develop patterns of behavior and modify cultural opinions. Total propaganda recognizes that within a nation individuals should all have in common a standard of living, a culture, and an ideology. The need of an average standard of living is that people must be able to afford to buy a radio, TV, a newspaper, or go to the movies. It is mostly concerned with the densest mass which is made up of average men and not the very rich or very poor. Poor cannot do this therefore they cannot be subjected to integration propaganda because the immediate concerns of daily life absorb all their capacities and efforts. The poor can only be subjected to agitation propaganda, excited to the point of theft and murder. But they cannot be trained by propaganda, kept in hand, channeled, and oriented. More advanced propaganda can influence only a man who is not completely haunted by poverty, a man who can view things from a certain distance and be reasonably unconcerned about his daily bread, who therefore can take an interest in more general matters.

"For propaganda to be effective the propagandee must have a certain store of ideas and a number of conditioned reflexes that can only be acquired through peace of mind springing from relative security. The establishment of a mode of common life- all this leads to the creation of a type of normal man conveniently leads all men toward that norm via a multitude of paths. Propaganda’s intent is to integrate people into the normal pattern prevailing in society bring about conformance to way of life. To sum up: The creation of normalcy in our society can take one of two shapes. It can be the result of scientific, psycho-sociological analysis based on statistics- that is the American type of normalcy. It can be ideological and doctrinaire- that is the Communist type. But the results are identical: such normalcy necessarily gives rise to propaganda that can reduce the individual to the pattern most useful to society."[16]

"Information" Is an essential element of propaganda, which must "have reference to political or economic reality" to be credible. In fact, no propaganda can work until the moment when a set of facts has become a problem in the eyes of those who constitute public opinion." Education permits the dissemination of propaganda in that it enables people to consume information. Information is indistinguishable from propaganda in that information is an essential element of propaganda because for propaganda to succeed it must have reference to political or economic reality. Propaganda grafts itself onto an already existing reality through "informed opinion". Where no informed opinion with regard to political or economic affairs propaganda cannot exist making it an indispensable aspect. Propaganda means nothing without preliminary information that provides the basis for propaganda, gives propaganda the means to operate, and generates the problems that propaganda exploits by pretending to offer solutions. It is through information that the individual is placed in a social context and learns to understand the reality of his own situation. Information allows us to evaluate our situation feel our own personal problems are a general social problem thus enabling propaganda to entice us into social and political action. Information is most effective when it is objective and broad because it creates a general picture. With information quantity is better than quality, the more political or economic facts believed to be mastered by an individual, the more sensitive their judgment is to propaganda. In fact, only in and through propaganda do the masses have access to political economy, politics, art, or literature. The more stereotypes in a culture, the easier it is to form public opinion, and the more an individual participates in that culture, the more susceptible he becomes to the manipulation of these symbols. Chapter Three: The Necessity for Propaganda

All propaganda is based on a need, a dual need, first there is the need of state to make it and second there is the need of propagandee to receive it. These two needs compliment and correspond to each other in the development of propaganda. Propaganda is an expression of modern society as a whole. 1.Part One: The State's Necessity

The State has the need to make propaganda to integrate citizens into its society, to disseminate information, and to increase participation and involvement of members of society. Sometimes the people want to take part in government affairs. However, the official leaders cannot disconnect themselves from what the people want. Being that the people in charge cant escape the people , bait must be presented to them. This acts as a disguise that must be there to hide what is really happening behind the scenes in the government . Citizens are aware that political decisions affect everybody and governments cannot govern without the support, presence, pressure, or knowledge of the people. Yet the people are incapable of making long term policy so opinion must be created to follow the government because the government cannot be led by opinion. All of this describes the "Mass-Government" relationship characterized by people demanding what has already been decided, in order to appear as though the government is actually caring about what the people need. The next part that the book discuss is psychological warfare. It is believed to be a peace policy that is used between nations as a form of aggression. This type of propaganda changes the public opinion of an opposing regime so that it can be in favor of there regime. 2. Part Two: The Individual’s Necessity The individual needs propaganda to gain satisfaction as a member of society. Individuals want to be informed and to participate in the decisions of the state. Propaganda is the outlet through which individuals obtain the satisfaction of having contributed to the state. It is a necessary instrument of a state or institution to spread information to members of the group or society. But for propaganda to succeed it must respond to a need on the individual’s part as well. The individual is by no means just an innocent victim of propaganda when in fact he provokes the psychological action of propaganda by not merely lending himself to it, but also from deriving satisfaction from it. It is strictly a sociological phenomenon, in the sense that it has its roots and reasons in the need of the group that will sustain it. The great role performed by propaganda is in its ability to give the people the involvement they crave or the illusion of it in order for the masses to be artificially satisfied. Individuals are faced with decisions which require a range of information that the individual does not and cannot have without propaganda. Thus, the individual is unable to accept that he cannot form opinion on his own and is caught between his desire and his inability. People are willing and likely to accept propaganda that allows them to artificially satisfy their desire to have an opinion by hiding their incompetence. The individual does not mind being given preconceived positions because otherwise he would realize that he does not understand the problems of the modern world. The individual would then realize that he "depends on situations of which he has no control" and have to face this reality. The individual cannot live in the state of this harsh reality so he derives satisfaction from the veil created by the ideology and the sense of values it provides. The individual need psychological and ideological reasons why he needs to be where he is and propaganda is the mechanism that the state uses for this very purpose. Chapter Four: Psychological Effects of Propaganda

The psychological effects of propaganda on an individual cannot be ignored. The individual undergoes profound changes while being propagandized mainly the diminishment of personal activity. "Propaganda furnishes objectives, organizes the traits of an individual into a system, and freezes them into a mold by standardizing current ideas, hardening the prevailing stereotypes, and furnishing thought patterns in all areas."[17] The individual is traumatized by the overwhelming force of propaganda that intensifies the prejudices and beliefs until eventually the individual has no control over his own impulses. It seeks to push the individual into the mass until his will fades entirely into that of the mass. Individuality is sacrificed for the greater cause of the nation by uniting him and blending him with others. Critical and personal judgment are subdued and replaced with ready-made attitudes and opinions. Discernment is made nearly impossible for the individual whose ability to judge is destroyed making him dependent on propaganda’s ready-made opinions from then on. The individual can no longer exercise his own judgment and becomes honed into what propaganda tells him. He no longer expresses himself but his group once he accepts public opinion as his own. The artificial, impersonal public opinion created by propaganda is absorbed by the individual and he becomes filled with its conviction. When he is fully integrated in the social group and can no longer distinguish between himself and society than he has reached total alienation. In this process, the individual’s personal inclinations lead to participation in the collective where he loses control and submits to external impulses. The individual is suppressed psychologically so that he can continue to live under the conditions in which society places him by providing an artificial and unreal reality that is the result of powerful propaganda. Chapter Five: The Socio-Political Effects

"In the nineteenth century, the problem of opinion formation through the expression of thought was essentially a problem of contacts between the State and the individual, and a problem of acquisition of freedom. But today, thanks to the mass media, the individual finds himself outside the battle that is now between the State and powerful groups. The freedom to express ideas is no longer at stake in this debate but it has been replaced by mastery and domination by the State or some powerful groups over the formation of opinion. The individual is not in the battle because he is the stake and the battle will determine what voice he will be permitted to hear and which words will have the power to obsess him."[18] 1.Part One: Propaganda and Ideology

An ideology provides society certain beliefs and no social group can exist without the foundation of these beliefs. Propaganda is the means by which an ideology can expand without force. An ideology is either fortified within a group or expanded beyond the borders of a group through propaganda. However, propaganda is less and less concerned with spreading the ideology nowadays as it is with becoming autonomous. The ideology is no longer the decisive factor of propaganda that must be obeyed by the propagandist. The propagandist cannot be constrained by the ideology of his State but must operate in service of the state and be able to manipulate the ideology as if it were an object. The ideology merely provides the content for the propagandist to build off since he is limited to what already is present within the group, nation, or society. The fundamental ideologies are nationalism, socialism, communism, and democracy. 2. Part Two: Effects on the Structure of Public Opinion Public opinion is an instrument of propaganda that is disseminated through the mass media of communication to the masses. While most people view the formation of public opinion as being shaped itself by interaction between different viewpoints on controversial questions, this is incorrect because public opinion is delineated by propaganda as a "truth" which is either believed or not believed. Public opinion ceases to be controversial and can no longer form itself except through channels of mass media. No opinion can be held until it is communicated to the masses through mass media. Propaganda uses public opinion to externalize inner opinions of the organization to the masses that eventually produces conformity.[19] 3. Part Three: Propaganda and Grouping In regards to propaganda, there are two groups: the groups that make propaganda and the groups that are subjected to propaganda. In Ellul's view, there is a "double foray on the part of propaganda that proves the excellence of one group and the evilness of another at the same time to create partitioning". This creates isolation between groups by promoting allegiance to the group one is in and suppressing conversation between groups. The more they listen to their propaganda the stronger their beliefs and the greater their justifications for their actions. Partitioning takes place on many different levels including class, religious, political, national and blocs of nations. A superior group is able to affect the lesser groups, however, groups that have an equal amount of influence will only separate further from one another in that a members allegiance to a group develops closed mindedness. Well-organized propaganda is able to work with different elements that exist within a nation such as religion, political parties, and labor groups. 4. Part Four: Propaganda and Democracy Since democracy depends on public opinion, it is clear that propaganda must be involved. The relationship between democracy and propaganda evidently presents a conflict between the principles of democracy and the processes of propaganda. The individual is viewed as the cornerstone of a democracy which is a form of government that is made "for the people and by the people". However, as discussed in early chapters Ellul described the masses are incapable of making long-term foreign policy and the government needs to make these decisions in a timely manner. This is where propaganda comes into play and projects an artificial reality to the masses to satisfy their need to participate in government while the decisions are really made behind the scenes. This was also describe earlier as the "mass-government" relationship. Democratic regimes develop propaganda in line with its myths and prejudices. Propaganda stresses the superiority of a democratic society while intensifying the prejudices between democratic and oppressive.

Major themes

Propaganda: The Formation of Men's Attitudes builds on prior notions of propaganda to demonstrate that while propaganda is psychological in nature it is just as much sociological in nature as well. Propaganda is not just embedded into the individual's psyche but also the cultural psyche. Propaganda works off the inner characteristics of both the individual and the society that the individual belongs. This thorough analysis made by Ellul illustrates that to downplay the importance of the sociological influences of propaganda to psychological ones is a dreadful error. Propaganda is more threatening when it begins to be recognized as sociological as well psychological in nature. Below are two major themes the first stressing the psychological aims of propaganda the second the sociological aims.

"The Lonely Crowd"

The term "lonely crowd" is used by Ellul to distinguish the two inseparable elements of propaganda, the individual and the masses, which must be addressed by the propagandist at the same time. As an isolated unit, the individual is of no interest to the propagandist unless he is reduced to an average. It is crucial that the individual is never considered as an individual but always in terms of what he has in common with others. The individual is included and integrated into the mass because the propagandist profits from the process of diffusion of emotions through the mass, and at the same time, from the pressures felt by an individual when in a group.[20]

In this setting, "the individual caught up in the mass", the individual's reactions are easier to provoke and psychic defenses are weakened. The individual must always be considered as a participant in a mass and similarly the mass must only be viewed as a crowd composed of individuals. When propaganda is addressed to the crowd, it must touch each individual in that crowd which is in fact nothing but assembled individuals. Conversely, the individual should not be viewed as alone as a listener, watcher, or reader because the individual is nevertheless part of an invisible crowd though he is actually alone. The most favorable moment to influence an individual is when he is alone in the mass, the structure of the mass is extremely profitable to the propagandist concerned with being effective.

Fundamental currents in society

"One cannot make just any propaganda any place for anybody."[21] While propaganda is focused on reaching the individual, it cannot only rely on building off what already exists in the individual. Propaganda must also attach itself to the pre-existing fundamental currents of the society it seeks to influence. The propagandist must know the current tendencies and the stereotypes among the public he is trying to reach. These are indicated by principal symbols of the culture the propagandist wishes to attack since these symbols express the attitudes of a particular culture. Individuals are part of a culture and are therefore psychologically shaped by that culture. The main task of propaganda is to utilize the conditioned symbols as transmitters of that culture to serve its purpose. Propaganda must be a reflection of the fundamental structures of society to be successful and not contradictory of existing opinions. A skillful propagandist does not try to change mass opinion or go against an accepted structure. Only a bad propagandist would make a direct attack on an established, reasoned, durable opinion, accepted cliché, or fixed pattern. "Each individual harbors a large number of stereotypes and established tendencies; from this arsenal the propagandist must select those easiest to mobilize, those which will give the greatest strength to the action he wants to precipitate."[22]

While propaganda cannot create something out of nothing, it does have the ability to build on the foundation already established. More importantly even though it does not create new material and is confined to what already exists, it is not necessarily powerless. "It can attack from the rear, war own slowly, provide new centers of interest, which cause the neglect of previously acquired positions; it can divert a prejudice; or it can elicit an action contrary to an opinion held by the individual without his being clearly aware of it."[23]

Propaganda can gradually undermine prejudices and images in order to weaken them. These fundamental currents in society create the perfect atmosphere for sociological propaganda which influences the individual through his customs and unconscious habits. Sociological propaganda is a phenomenon where a society tries to unify its members’ behavior according to a pattern. Essentially sociological propaganda is to increase conformity with the environment that is of a collective nature by developing compliance with or defense of the established order through long term penetration and progressive adaptation by using all social currents. The propaganda element is the way of life with which the individual is permeated and then the individual begins to express it in film, writing, or art without realizing it. This involuntary behavior creates an expansion of society through advertising, the movies, education, and magazines. "The entire group, consciously or not, expresses itself in this fashion; and to indicate, secondly that its influence aims much more at an entire style of life."[24] This type of propaganda is not deliberate but springs up spontaneously or unwittingly within a culture or nation. This propaganda reinforces the individual’s way of life and represents this way of life as best.

See also [edit] Brainwashing Conformity Ideology Indoctrination Media manipulation Mind control Propaganda Psychological manipulation Psychological warfare Social Influence Socially constructed reality

British propaganda is especially sophisticated and nasty. See In Foreign Events Coverage The Guardian Presstitutes Slip Beyond the Reach of Embarrassment

Anatomy of US sanctions against Russia

The USA administration, and especially neocons, entrenched in State Department, organized putsch in Kiev with the help of their European satellites. When the civil war started as the result of the putsch the USA introduced sanctions against Russia. See "Fuck the EU": State Department neocons show EU its real place

Tremendous pressure exerted on Russia by the West, largely intended to show the subjects of world politics undesirability of implementing an independent foreign policy. Washington and its satellites in Europe through sanctions are trying to demonstrate their ability to isolate the "offending" countries from the global economy and technical progress by controlling supplies of high technology equipment. However, analysis of the accusations against Russia suggests that both the USA Europe are dominated by neoliberals/neocons who themselves are divorced from the realities of the current processes and looks at the world through the eyes of the early 90th then neoliberalism enjoyed its triumphal march in Eastern Europe and xUSSR space.

After 2008  neoliberalism entered so called zombie stage. It is still very powerful and very dangerous, but ideology of neoliberalism, like ideology of Marxism before is now looks like  perishable goods with expired date of consumption. In no way it is not attractive anymore. Events like enforcing Greece debt slavery by Germany and France only increase the reaction of rejection. 

And that's despite all economic power the USA definitely possesses and success in implementing economic sanctions which drove the Russia GDP growth into negative rages presents huge challenge for the USA. One of the best option the USA elites are pushing is the limited war in Europe that can weaken both EU and Russia. So in a way the putsch in Kiev was anti-EU measure, as Victoria Nuland famous quote suggests.

Sanctions, as damaging  as they are, suggest that the empire lost diplomatic skills. And there is no question that  economic weapons are as close to the act of war as you can get.  See Cold War II. As Patrick Buchanan notes (ecnomicpolicyjournal.com, April 28, 2014):

"Mr. Obama is focused on isolating President Vladimir V. Putin's Russia by cutting off its economic and political ties to the outside world ... and effectively making it a pariah state."

So wrote Peter Baker in Sunday's New York Times. Yet if history is any guide, this "pariah policy," even if adopted, will not long endure.

Three years after Khrushchev sent tanks into Hungary, he
was touring the USA and celebrating with Ike the new "Spirit of Camp David."

Half a year after Khrushchev moved missiles into Cuba, JFK was talking detente is his famous speech at American University.

Three weeks after Moscow incited the Arabs in the Six-Day War, Lyndon Johnson was meeting with Premier Alexei Kosygin in New Jersey, where the "Spirit of Glassboro," was born.

So it went through the Cold War. Post-crises, U.S. presidents reached out to Soviet leaders. For they saw Russia as too large and too powerful to be isolated and ostracized like North Korea.

The sustained expansion of economic sanctions, especially  against the oil and gas sector and specific companies as well as limited access to credit resources indicate the seriousness of the Western establishment to deprive Russia of the economic growth and the ability to protect its own economic interests.

This "Anaconda strategy" of encircling Russia got a significant book by victory of far right in EuroMaidan. This event has become for a great geopolitical victory for the USA and humbling defeat for Russia. Russia was in bas shape to prevent it as the logic of development of new state immanently produces anti-Russian sentiments as the mean to create their own identity. But still weakness of Russia in Ukraine was real and signify a serious problems ahead. The reaction of Russia on far right victory at EuroMaydan gave rise to even more active implementation of the strategy of confrontation, and propaganda campaign against "the Russian threat". This strategy involves increasing the military presence on the European continent and military power of NATO. Much tougher stance toward Russian projects in Western and Eastern Europe and in attacks on the level of international organizations. Along with the anti-Russian operations in Europe, the US and its satellites are active in the countries of Central Asia and the Caucasus. A good example is the recent attempt to organize a Maidan in Armenia.


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[Mar 05, 2019] Goldman Sees 15 Years of Weak Crude as $20 U.S Oil Looms

No we can check the quote of Goldman forecast. forecast of those arrogant and clueless jerks ;-)
Is squid talking his book again ? Compare with China Is Hoarding the World's Oil - Bloomberg Business. They are slightly schizophrenic those squid stooges, aren't they ;-)
Notable quotes:
"... with shale fields as an important source of output, he said. While Goldman's official forecasts extend to 2020, there is a "very high probability" prices will stay depressed until the end of next decade, he said. ..."
"... U.S. benchmark West Texas Intermediate crude futures fell 25 cents to settle at $46.90 on the New York Mercantile Exchange. Prices are down 12 percent this year and 50 percent over the past 12 months. ..."
Bloomberg Business

... ... ...

Goldman cut its crude forecasts this month, saying the global surplus of oil is bigger than it previously thought and that failure to reduce production fast enough may require prices to fall near $20 a barrel to clear the glut. Prices may touch that level when stockpiles are filled to capacity, forcing producers in some areas to cut output, Currie said Wednesday.

"The last time we saw a period that was similar to today was 1986, 29 years ago," he said. "We waited 15 years" for oil to start rising again.

Lower iron ore, copper and steel prices as well as weaker currencies in commodity-producing countries have reduced costs for oil companies, according to Currie. The world is shifting from an "investment phase" of a 30-year commodity cycle to an "exploitation phase," with shale fields as an important source of output, he said. While Goldman's official forecasts extend to 2020, there is a "very high probability" prices will stay depressed until the end of next decade, he said.

U.S. benchmark West Texas Intermediate crude futures fell 25 cents to settle at $46.90 on the New York Mercantile Exchange. Prices are down 12 percent this year and 50 percent over the past 12 months.

Should oil fall to $20, it would be "one touch," he said. Inventories would top out in parts of the world, some producers would shut production and the market would come into balance.

[Sep 24, 2018] Why this Ukrainian revolution may be doomed, too

Blast from the past...
Notable quotes:
"... Kiev has become an accidental, burdensome ally to the West. The North Atlantic Treaty Organization only paid lip service to future Ukrainian membership, while the EU, which never had any intention of taking in Ukraine, pushed an association agreement out of bureaucratic habit more than strategic vision. ..."
"... The least charitably inclined claim that Poroshenko prosecuted the war in eastern Ukraine as a way of delaying reform. What's undeniable is that the shaky ceasefire leaves the Kiev government at the mercy of Putin and his proxies. Should anything start going right for Poroshenko, the fighting could flare back up at any moment. ..."
"... Everybody in Kiev understands that there's no way of reconquering lost territory by force. Ukrainian politicians publicly pledge to win back breakaway regions through reform and economic success. What they hope for is that sanctions will cause enough problems inside Russia that the Kremlin will run out of resources to sabotage Ukraine. Wishful thinking won't replace the painful reforms ahead. ..."
May 19, 2015 | http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/05/17/why-this-ukrainian-revolution-may-be-doomed-too/

At home, there is the possibility of more protests, a paralyzed government, and the rise of politicians seeking accommodation with Putin. "Slow and unsuccessful reforms are a bigger existential threat than the Russian aggression," said Oleksiy Melnyk, a security expert at Kiev's Razumkov Center. Even if Ukrainians don't return to the street, they'll get a chance to voice their discontent at the ballot box. Local elections are due in the fall - and the governing coalition between Poroshenko and Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk is so shaky that nobody can rule out an early parliamentary vote.

In its international relations, Ukraine is living on borrowed time - and money. A dispute over restructuring $23 billion in debt broke into the open last week with the Finance Ministry accusing foreign creditors of not negotiating in good faith ahead of a June deadline. An EU summit this week is likely to end in more disappointment, as Western European countries are reluctant to grant Ukrainians visa-free travel.

Kiev has become an accidental, burdensome ally to the West. The North Atlantic Treaty Organization only paid lip service to future Ukrainian membership, while the EU, which never had any intention of taking in Ukraine, pushed an association agreement out of bureaucratic habit more than strategic vision.

... ... ...

The least charitably inclined claim that Poroshenko prosecuted the war in eastern Ukraine as a way of delaying reform. What's undeniable is that the shaky ceasefire leaves the Kiev government at the mercy of Putin and his proxies. Should anything start going right for Poroshenko, the fighting could flare back up at any moment.

Ukrainian security officials say that the enemy forces gathering in the separatist regions are at their highest capability yet. The most alarming observation is that the once ragtag band of rebels - backed up by regular Russian troops in critical battles - is increasingly looking like a real army thanks to weapons and training provided by Russia.

... ... ...

Everybody in Kiev understands that there's no way of reconquering lost territory by force. Ukrainian politicians publicly pledge to win back breakaway regions through reform and economic success. What they hope for is that sanctions will cause enough problems inside Russia that the Kremlin will run out of resources to sabotage Ukraine. Wishful thinking won't replace the painful reforms ahead.

[Dec 27, 2017] Russian military to order major research to counter color revolutions

Jun 22, 2015 | rt.com

Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu has told reporters that the military will sponsor a major research of coups conducted through mass protest – so called 'color revolutions' – to prevent the situations that Russia faced in 1991 and 1993.

"Some people say that the military should not be involved in political processes, some say the direct opposite. We will order a study on the phenomenon of color revolutions and the military's role in their prevention,"

Shoigu told the participants of the Army-2015 political forum Friday.

"We have no right to allow the repetitions of the collapses of 1991 and 1993," he said. "How to do it is another story, but it is clear that we must deal with the situation. We must understand how to prevent this and how to teach the younger generation so that it supported the calm and gradual development of our country."

The minister added that the consequences of color revolutions can be now observed in many Arab nations and also in Serbia. He also said that the Ukrainian crisis that started in 2014 also was "a major tragedy in the row of color revolutions."

In March this year the head of Russia's Security Council, Nikolai Patrushev promised that this body would develop a detailed plan of action aimed at preventing color revolutions or any other attempts of forceful change of lawfully elected authorities through mass street protest. He also said that the Security Council had prepared a list of proposed measures that could negate the possible threat, including some steps against "network protest activities" and propaganda work against "romantic revolutionary stereotype."

Also in March, President Vladimir Putin addressed the dangers of color revolutions in his speech to the Interior Ministry.

"The extremists' actions become more complicated," he said. "We are facing attempts to use the so called 'color technologies' in organizing illegal street protests to open propaganda of hatred and strife on social networks."

In the same month, the Interior Ministry drafted a bill containing amendments to the law on rallies that covered car protests and sit-ins. The ministry experts said that the move would circumvent legal ambiguity in the interest of society as a whole.

In November, Putin blasted color revolutions as a main tool used by destructive forces in the geopolitical struggle.

"In the modern world, extremism is used as a geopolitical tool for redistribution of spheres of interest. We can see the tragic consequences of the wave of the so-called color revolutions, the shock experienced by people in the countries that went through the irresponsible experiments of hidden, or sometimes brute and direct interference with their lives,"

the Russian leader said.

In January, a group of Russian conservative activists, uniting war veterans, nationalist bikers and pro-Christian politicians launched an "anti-Maidan" political movement in Moscow to oppose any attempts to thwart the stable development of the country. Its first rallies were held on the same days as some anti-government protests and according to law enforcers the conservatives outnumbered the pro-revolution activists by almost 10-fold.

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[Nov 24, 2017] Vanishing act: how global auditor failed to spot theft of 15% of Moldova's wealth

"..."We have organized crime specialized in finance. As a consequence of the discovery of the theft, the banks stopped issuing loans for a while. There was a domino effect which hit the leu.""
July 2, 2015

Local franchise of accountancy giant Grant Thornton was working for three of the country's largest banks when $1bn was embezzled

One of the world's leading auditors has been accused of negligence and incompetence after $1bn was siphoned out of Moldova from under its nose – a sum equivalent to 15% of the former Soviet republic's GDP.

Grant Thornton, the UK based accountancy giant with local franchises in dozens of countries, was the auditor for three of Moldova's largest banks through which the money was embezzled and spirited out of the country in complex financial transactions, some through UK companies.

As a result, the authorities had to rescue the three banks with a bailout equivalent to half the annual budget. The knock-on effect was a currency collapse and a plunge towards recession, ruining the economy almost overnight. Moldova is already Europe's poorest country.

The theft was discovered in November 2014 at Unibank, Banca de Economii and Banca Sociala , which the Moldovan member of Grant Thornton, a global network of independent firms, has been auditing since 2010, 2011 and 2013 respectively.

Iurie Chirinciuc, a Moldovan MP who was part of a commission set up to investigate the affair, believes Grant Thornton was negligent and obstructive.

"All the [audit] reports give positive opinions," he said. "How can you give a positive opinion when the situation at these banks was so grave?"

Grant Thornton said it drew the attention of the banks and relevant authorities to its concerns about the banks and that its audit reports contained alerts about loans. But Chirinciuc said it should not have given the banks a generally clean bill of health.

He claims repeated requests for the auditors to give testimony to the inquiry were "vehemently opposed".

"I have made a formal request for analysis of Grant Thornton to the central bank," Chirinciuc said. "In the commission, I was shocked to see that all state institutions were informed and updated as to the situation at the banks, but did not intervene. These circumstances make me think that very high-ranking dignitaries are involved in the theft of the billion."

Chirinciuc was also aghast that after the fraud was discovered, Grant Thornton's Moldova director, Stéphane Bridé, was appointed economy minister. Bridé told the Guardian his nomination "was made in conformity with the legislation of the Republic of Moldova, according to which my professional qualities and experience were exclusively considered".

Multiple spurious loans were granted by Banca de Economii and Unibank on the basis of false guarantees to companies that then transferred the money offshore. Some went to British companies controlled by entities registered in places where directors' identities are kept secret.Two preliminary reports – one by the parliamentary commission and the other by corporate investigation firm Kroll – suggest that fraud eventually became the main occupation of the banks.

The parliamentary report says: "The management of the banks have manifested evident lapses in professionalism and integrity … by giving credits that were compromised from the beginning" and made transactions of "fictional and fraudulent character". The MPs concluded the banks had knowingly endangered their "capacity to make basic operations" such as paying out pensions and public sector salaries.

The banks consistently misrepresented cash balances by using unorthodox "overnight deposits" – zero-interest deposits from Russian banks Interprombank, Gazprombank, Alef Bank and Metrobank – to disguise the lack of capital while continuing to give out nonperforming loans. "In essence these operations were operations of manipulation," the parliamentary report says.

So contaminated have the banks become that the IMF and World Bank have suspended programmes with Moldova, and the EU is considering following suit. World Bank country manager Alex Kremer said last week: "We are advising the authorities that the three banks ... should be liquidated." He said trying to nationalise or recapitalise the banks would risk wasting more taxpayers' money.

Moldovan prosecutors have since launched an investigation that has so far put about 30 people under criminal indictment, including bank executives. Among these is Ilan Shor, chairman of the board at Banca de Economii since April 2014, allegedly the mastermind. Shor was released from house arrest on 23 May, having agreed to cooperate with investigators. The chief prosecutor has not returned a request for comment. Shor denies wrongdoing. Earlier this month, he was elected mayor of the small town of Orhei.

Kroll's confidential report was published online in April by the speaker of the Moldovan parliament, Andrian Candu. It says a group of companies under Shor's control gradually took over the banks and in 2010 started giving never-to-be-repaid loans to themselves. When watchdogs closed in, "orders were given by management of the banks to archive loan documentation relating to the suspicious transactions". A vehicle belonging to another Shor company that collected the paperwork was subsequently stolen and burned.

Between 2011, when Shor's companies were allegedly beginning to sink their teeth into the banks, and October 2014 when the scam went bust, Kroll found the number of Shor-related companies involved grew from 10 to 39. By December 2014, 90% of Unibank's loans were to Shor group companies. Deposits recorded as being from Russian banks, which enabled Banca de Economii to make huge loans, were not received.

"Ilan Shor and individuals associated with him played an integral role in coordinating this activity," Kroll says in its report, claiming there was "a deliberate intention to extract as much benefit as possible for entities connected to Mr Shor and to the detriment of the bank". A Kroll representative said the report was leaked without consent and declined to comment further.

The "missing billion" contributed to a run on the Moldovan leu in which it lost a quarter of its value against the dollar in February.

Grant Thornton had no presence in Moldova before 2010, but its ascent has been startling. Seven of the country's 14 biggest banks became its clients in the space of four years, making it by far the biggest player in the market. International competitors such as KPMG and Deloitte steadily lost Moldova to Grant Thornton, with neither having more than two major banks on their roster in the country by 2013.

Representatives of the Moldovan Grant Thornton franchise deny impropriety and say that that auditors cannot be held responsible if clients do not disclose full financial information.

"While we would like to detect all fraud, according to International Standards of Auditing, the auditors' role is not to discover fraud, or to prosecute clients for fraud," they said in a statement. "We stand by the quality of our work – which is public record - and believe the audit opinions were correct under the circumstances."

A spokesman for the global office said Grant Thornton member firms acted autonomously and their work was only scrutinised by head office every three years. It did not respond to a question asking what it planned to do about its relationship with GT Moldova.

A Moldovan financial system insider who wishes to remain anonymous said: "It's clear Grant Thornton was at least negligent if not worse. How could it not have known what was going on, especially at Unibank where the scam was almost total?"

In its response, GT Moldova said: "Various observations were mentioned annually in the letters we addressed to management and shareholders of these banks and to the National Banks of Moldova.

"We wish to remind you that in 2013, the inquiry commission for the assets of Banca de Economii was based not only on the audit of the court and reports of the International Monetary Fund but also mentions of Grant Thornton audit."

The effect of the financial loss has been felt by ordinary Moldovans. Ion Preașcă, a finance journalist in ther capital Chișinău, said: "We have organised crime specialised in finance. As a consequence of the discovery of the theft, the banks stopped issuing loans for a while. There was a domino effect which hit the leu."

Alexei, who owns a small construction business, said: "They will invent some new taxes to make up for the damage. I had an account at Banca Sociala and have stopped using it since. I opened two new accounts in banks with foreign ownership."

Natasha, a bookkeeper, said: "The resulting price rises had bad effects. The electricity price nearly doubled from one month to the next. The bill was 300 lei [£10] and it's now 500. Pensions and salaries haven't increased."

The criminal investigation is ongoing. Neither the Moldovan National Bank or government returned requests for information. An estimated 50,000 Moldovans protested on 3 May in Chișinău, demanding justice and the recovery of the stolen money.

Thanks to Iurie Sanduta, editor of www.rise.md, for help researching this article.

[Sep 21, 2016] There are still a lot of "handshakable" (created by kreacks for kreakls) mass media outlets in Russia despite cries of neoliberal MSM about absence of "free press" in Russia

"Handshakable" is Soviet dissidents times term meaning a person not too in bed with "despicable" regime. Now used mainly in satical sense with the meaning almost identical to kreakls" -- useless person with strong opinions about everything and very active on the Internet.
Lyttenburgh, July 21, 2015 at 2:39 am

I've found this little gem 2 days ago and I'm still… "overjoyed" by it.

Despite Manichean claims of the Free and Independent ™ Western Media that in Russia "there are no free press", that everything is controlled by Kremlin and Putin, and only [Radio] Ekho Moskvy, Novaya Gazeta [Newspaper] and Dozhd [TV] are the few remaining honest sources of truth and independent journalism ™, there are still a lot of "handshakable" outlets created for kreakls by kreakls.

In one such handshakeble paper, the "Snob" [well, at least they are honest with themselves and their readers] recently was published this interview with another extremely handshakable, ah, "person", who used to be the Chief Editor of the "KommmersantЪ" paper in it's [even more] handshakable heyday. This particular excerpt seems especially "meaty" (translation is mine):

Snob: And when do you think the era of the "rich cooperators'" of the 90s came to an end?

AV: I think it happened when they arrested Khodorkovsky. Then not only the era of cooperators came to an end, the society in this country was finished also.

Snob: Why is society so easily reconciled with this and it's own end?

AV: And because it could not be otherwise! Because there are no such country – Russia! This is a huge geopolitical mistake … I do not know whose, Lord God's or Darwin's. This country never existed, don't exist now and never will be. This country is bad.

Snob: Even if it is so bad, it does not mean that it doesn't exist.

AV: Well, fuck with it! Here's my answer. Fuck with it, that it exists! I wish it to be healthy! But this is not interesting for me. It is a cancer on the body of the world! What, should I fight with it? I'm not a professor Pirogov, I will not cut out this tumor, I just do not know how. Honestly, I don't know how.

Snob: What are the symptoms of this cancer?

AV: There are two evidences of this cancer. Never in my life Russia and its people had any other national ideas then "we are surrounded by enemies" and "Russia for the Russians!". With such two fundamental attributes there can't be country. This is just savagery. Can you give me somw other Russian national ideas?

Snob: Empire from sea to sea.

AV: This is just "We are surrounded by enemies" and "Russia for the Russians!" in other words. It's just combined in a beautiful word "empire". Nothing else! And with such fundamental principles country of course, some country might even exist, but who needs it? I do not! It is necessary to those inside.

Needless to say, Andrey Vasiliev now is a proud and free emigre.

So, after reading this little interview I got a proverbial train of thoughts going in my head at a top speed,finally arriving to it's destination. Now I can say that I "understand" (as in "understand what makes them tic") all of them – liberasts, Byelarussian zmagars, Ukrainian svidomites, pint-sized Baltic patriots, sausage emigrants forming Brighton Beach Bitching Brigade etc.

But that's the topic for another post

ThatJ, July 21, 2015 at 2:50 am

Does Andrey Vasiliev live in Brighton Beach now?

yalensis, July 21, 2015 at 3:24 am

No, Vasiliev lives in Geneva, Switzerland.

And, no, he is not Jewish, in case that's what you are trying to get at.

He is of Russian ethnicity.

yalensis, July 21, 2015 at 3:27 am

Dear Lyttenburgh:

Thanks for this find.

These Fifth Columnists are all the same, aren't they?

For them, the true litmus test was, and always has been, Khodorkovsky.

They longed for a world in which Khodorkovsky owned every single thing in Russia that wasn't nailed down; and everybody else, including these kreakls, just getting crumbs from his table.

But the kreakls receiving bigger crumbs, plus an honored place at the master's side.

Moscow Exile, July 21, 2015 at 3:35 am
I regularly ask Russians – ordinary work-a-day Russians, be they of the working or the professional classes – if they could imagine leaving Russia forever, if they could consider emigrating, never intending to return. They all say they couldn't. They say they'd like to travel, but they always feel they would want to come "home".

I have never yet met one Russian person who speaks as does Vasiliev, no one who says "I hate this place and my fellow countrymen so much: it's a shithole; it's a dump; it's full of morons etc., etc….", though I often hear them speaking loudly and clearly in that way from afar through the bullhorn of the Western mass media.

I ask my children regularly if they would like to live in England. I get a resounding "No!" off them. They speak English fluently now (except the youngest) and say they like visiting the place, that it's "cool" and, curiously enough, all their pals think it's "cool" that they are "half-English". My children do as well, not least because I suspect they can already sense the great advantage that their bilingualism has given them – but they categorically state they are Russian and that Russia is their Motherland, their rodina, the land that "bore" them, their "Mother Russia".

My wife is the same.

None of them are nationalistic, but they are very, very patriotic.

People such as Vasiliev are a small yet vociferous minority that, I suspect, suffers from some psychological aberration.

I am so glad that many of them leap at the first opportunity to fuck off away from here.

Pavlo Svolochenko, July 21, 2015 at 3:46 am
The type is not unique to Russia.

America has a whole university set aside for people who hate America. A sort of open-air loonybin.

Your Russian anti-patriots can be corralled and stowed out of sight in the same way, if you wish. Market it right, and they'll do it entirely of their own accord.

yalensis, July 21, 2015 at 3:55 am
Dear Pavlo: Which open-air university is that? Berkeley?? :)
Pavlo Svolochenko, July 21, 2015 at 4:11 am
Naturally.
Moscow Exile, July 21, 2015 at 4:19 am
Why is Berkeley "open-air"?
Pavlo Svolochenko, July 21, 2015 at 4:23 am
In that nothing prevents the inmates from escaping but fear of employment.
Moscow Exile , July 21, 2015 at 4:28 am
I should add that I know many who have chosen to leave Russia in search of fame and fortune, education, a better standard of living etc., but none of them left because they loathe the land and its people.

I also have over the years come across a few who have returned: some because, having achieved success, they preferred to live out the rest of their lives in their Mother Russia; others because they could not adapt to an alien culture ("No 'soul' in the USA!" I have often heard such folk say; and others simply because they were homesick.

Interestingly, and unbeknownst to me, my sister emailed my wife last week when I was in the UK and told her that I was clearly "homesick".

I was: for Russia and my wife and children

Home is where the heart is.

[Oct 14, 2015] Strategist We've Hit 'Peak Negativity' in the Energy Sector

"... a prolonged period of low oil prices is now baked into analysts' earnings expectations, although some Canadian analysts will probably have to ratchet down their estimates even farther. ..."
"... In December, he noted that his clients were consumed with in energy, and he cautioned against holding on to the previous cycle's winners. Two months later, he quipped that the short period of crumbling crude prices would not "cure a decade-long notion of oil and energy being the place to be." ..."

"... In December, he noted that his clients were consumed with in energy, and he cautioned against holding on to the previous cycle's winners. Two months later, he quipped that the short period of crumbling crude prices would not "cure a decade-long notion of oil and energy being the place to be." ..."

"... Earnings per share revisions are one of our most trusted contrarian indicators and the fact that they have hit extreme negative levels is encouraging to us for sector performance prospects ..."
finance.yahoo.com

Earlier this year, Bank of Montreal Chief Investment Strategist Brian Belski called energy stocks a value trap.

He has become more constructive, upgrading the sector to market weight, from underweight.

A confluence of factors influenced the strategist's decision to "neutralize" his portfolio position for both U.S. and Canadian energy stocks. The first is that the sector has reached what he called "peak negativity," underperforming the Standard & Poor's 500-stock index by the most since 1986, when the last supply side-driven crash in oil prices occurred.

Second, a prolonged period of low oil prices is now baked into analysts' earnings expectations, although some Canadian analysts will probably have to ratchet down their estimates even farther.

"Earnings per share revisions are one of our most trusted contrarian indicators and the fact that they have hit extreme negative levels is encouraging to us for sector performance prospects," he wrote.

"Energy sector growth expectations in Canada have come down significantly, but still remain too optimistic given the oil price outlook and especially when compared to estimates for the U.S.," he added.

... ... ...

In December, he noted that his clients were consumed with in energy, and he cautioned against holding on to the previous cycle's winners. Two months later, he quipped that the short period of crumbling crude prices would not "cure a decade-long notion of oil and energy being the place to be."

But the "pain trade," Belski now says, is for energy stocks to move higher.

[Oct 13, 2015] EU tells Russia to 'cease' strikes on Syria rebels

et Al, October 12, 2015 at 12:12 pm
EU Observer: EU tells Russia to 'cease' strikes on Syria rebels
https://euobserver.com/foreign/130641

Blah blah blah blah
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Quite the hand wringing. Russia must do this and that and is urged but it is also hoped that Russia will join… Sanctions on Russia if it does not do what the do nothings say?? It would be nice if the EU intel agencies openly published which terrorist organizations in Syria sufficiently 'moderate' not to be bombed by Russia.

Here's the link to the actual communique:
http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2015/10/12-fac-conclusions-syria/

1. The conflict in Syria and the suffering of the Syrian people is showing no sign of abating. The scale of the tragedy, having killed 250,000 men, women and children, displaced 7.6 million inside the country and sent over 4 million fleeing into neighbouring and other countries, is now the world's largest humanitarian disaster, with no parallel in recent history. The EU, as the largest donor, has demonstrated its willingness and commitment to do what it can to alleviate the humanitarian consequences. As the crisis intensifies there is an increasingly urgent need to find a lasting solution that will end this conflict. Only a Syrian-led political process leading to a peaceful and inclusive transition, based on the principles of the Geneva communiqué of 30 June 2012, will bring back stability to Syria, enable peace and reconciliation and create the necessary environment for efficient counter terrorism efforts and maintain the sovereignty, independence, unity and territorial integrity of the Syrian State. There cannot be a lasting peace in Syria under the present leadership and until the legitimate grievances and aspirations of all components of the Syrian society are addressed.

2. The EU's objective is to bring an end to the conflict and enable the Syrian people to live in peace in their own country. The international community has to unite around two complementary and interlinked tracks – a political one that aims to bring an end to the civil war by addressing all the root causes of the conflict and establish an inclusive political transition process that will restore peace to the country – and a security one to focus on the fight against the regional and global threat of Da'esh.

3. The EU reiterates its full support to the UN-led efforts and the work of UN Special Envoy Staffan de Mistura to build this political track. The EU emphasizes the need to accelerate the work of the entire international community on the political track in the framework of the UN-led process. The EU is already actively contributing to the UN initiatives and will increase its diplomatic work in support of the UN-led efforts, including the UN Special Envoy's proposal for intra-Syrian working groups.

4. We call on all Syrian parties to show a clear and concrete commitment to the UN-led process and to participate actively in the working groups. The EU underlines the urgency for the moderate political opposition and associated armed groups to unite behind a common approach in order to present an alternative to the Syrian people. These efforts must be inclusive involving women and civil society. The EU will sustain its support to the moderate opposition, including the SOC, and recalls that it is a vital element in fighting extremism and has a key role to play in the political transition.

5. The EU will continue to put all of its political weight, actively and effectively, behind UN-led international efforts to find a political solution to the conflict, and calls on regional and international partners to do likewise. We urge all those with influence on the parties, including on the Syrian regime, to use this influence to encourage a constructive role in the process leading to a political transition and to end the cycle of violence. The EU will pro-actively engage with key regional actors such as , Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Iran, Iraq and international partners within the UN framework to build the conditions for a, peaceful and inclusive transition. In this context, the Council recalls its decision to task the HRVP to explore ways in which the EU could actively promote more constructive regional cooperation.

6. The protection of civilians in Syria must be a priority for the international community. The EU condemns the excessive, disproportionate and indiscriminate attacks that the Syrian regime continues to commit against its own people. The Assad regime bears the greatest responsibility for the 250.000 deaths of the conflict and the millions of displaced people. The EU recalls that international humanitarian law applies to all parties, and human rights need to be fully respected. We call on all parties to stop all forms of indiscriminate shelling and bombardment against civilian areas and structures such as hospitals and schools and, in particular, on the Syrian regime to cease all aerial bombardments, including the use of barrel bombs in line with UNSC Resolution 2139 and the use of chemical weapons in line with UNSCR 2209. The systematic targeting of civilians by the regime has led to mass displacements and encouraged recruitment to and the flourishing of terrorist groups in Syria. This calls for urgent attention and action.

The EU will reinforce its efforts to scale up the implementation of the UNSC Resolutions 2139, 2165 and 2191 to deliver cross-border and cross line assistance in order to help those Syrians most desperately in need.

7. The EU strongly condemns the indiscriminate attacks, atrocities, killings, conflict-related sexual violence, abuses of human rights and serious violations of international humanitarian law which are perpetrated by Da'esh and other terrorist groups, against all civilians, including against Christians and other religious and ethnic groups. The EU supports international efforts and initiatives to address these issues. The EU condemns Da'esh's deliberate destruction of cultural heritage in Syria and Iraq, which amount to a war crime under international law.

8. Those responsible for war crimes and crimes against humanity in Syria must be held accountable. The EU expresses its deepest concern about the findings of the Independent International Commission of Inquiry on Syria. The allegations of torture and executions based on the evidence presented by the Caesar report are also of great concern. The EU reiterates its call to the UN Security Council to refer the situation in Syria to the International Criminal Court.

9. The EU supports the efforts of the Global Coalition to counter Da'esh in Syria and Iraq. As a consequence of its policies and actions, the Assad regime cannot be a partner in the fight against Dae'sh. Action against Da'esh needs to be closely coordinated among all partners, and needs clearly to target Da'esh, Jabhat al-Nusra, and the other UN-designated terrorist groups.

10. The recent Russian military attacks that go beyond Dae'sh and other UN-designated terrorist groups, as well as on the moderate opposition, are of deep concern, and must cease immediately. So too must the Russian violations of the sovereign airspace of neighbouring countries.

This military escalation risks prolonging the conflict, undermining a political process, aggravating the humanitarian situation and increasing radicalization. Our aim should be to de-escalate the conflict. The EU calls on Russia to focus its efforts on the common objective of achieving a political solution to the conflict. In this context it urges Russia to push for a reduction of violence and implementation of confidence-building measures by the Syrian Regime along the provisions of UNSC Resolution 2139.

11. The EU will intensify humanitarian diplomacy and seek ways to improve access and protection as well as to promote humanitarian principles and local consensus on guidelines for the delivery of aid.

12. The EU has substantially increased its financial efforts to support those who have fled the conflict, within and outside Syria, with new commitments to humanitarian aid and to longer-term work supporting the resilience of refugees in the neighbourhood. The EU and its Member states have already provided €4 billion for relief and recovery assistance to those affected by the conflict inside Syria and refugees and host communities in neighbouring countries. The EU and its Member States will continue to provide humanitarian assistance through the UN, ICRC and international NGOs. At the same time, the EU will increase its longer-term development and stabilization assistance, to these and other partners, including through the EU Regional Trust Fund recently established in response to the Syrian Crisis (the "Madad Fund") which has now been equipped with over €500 million in EU funding to be matched by efforts from EU Member States and other countries. The EU calls on other countries to sustain and increase their own contributions in response to the Syria crisis. The Council agreed specifically on the need to increase the level of cooperation and partnership with Lebanon, Jordan and Turkey to ensure equal access to shelter, education, health and livelihoods for refugees and their host communities with the support of additional EU assistance.
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It must be better to stick to EU & US failure. What could possibly go wrong by having your Gulf allies send large quantities of weapons to jihadists?

euractiv: Mogherini says Russian intervention in Syria neither positive nor negative
http://www.euractiv.com/sections/global-europe/mogherini-says-russian-intervention-syria-neither-positive-nor-negative

EU foreign affairs chief Federica Mogherini took a cautious position on Russian intervention in Syria, compared to the critical tone of a communiqué of the Union's foreign ministers adopted today (12 October).

…For her part, Mogherini refrained from qualifying the Russian intervention as bad or good. Speaking about the hot issue ahead of the ministerial meeting, she said:

"I guess it is much more complicated than just saying "positive" or "negative". It is for sure a game changer."

But she added that "interventions against Daesh have to be clearly against Daesh and other terrorist groups, as defined by the UN"…
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Good crock of s/t vs. bad crock of s/t? Don't take the communique too seriously Russia? They make noise because they are doing nothing and can't even agree to do anything apart from put some words together on the page.

marknesop, October 12, 2015 at 12:58 pm
All of it is a malodorous crock of shit. The EU evidenced no particular interest in the plight of civilians in Syria up to this point, began to get interested and then almost wholly in a not-particularly-sympathetic way when floods of refugees were released from Turkey to stream into Europe recently, and have been in crisis mode only for the last two weeks since Russia has taken a hand at the request of the Syrian government. There was lackluster interest in a no-fly zone and humanitarian corridors until then, because the west judged it was just a matter of a few more weeks and Assad would fall, without the west doing much of anything at all. Then it would remain only to swoop in, divest the rebel militias of their prize and pick a new western-friendly government of diaspora exiles.

The western press is playing its usual game of simply alluding to facts until they become facts without any actual substantiation ever having been offered. Russia is deliberately bombing civilians and civilian-only infrastructure such as hospitals and schools because the western press says so. Almost a fifth of Russian cruise missiles fell irresponsibly on the territory of another country they passed over, because the western press says so based on information they were given by unnamed western officials, although Russia claims to have positive battle-damage assessments for every missile fired and Iran says the western allegation is untrue. But the west always gets the benefit of the doubt, just as if it had never been caught in a lie before.

Lyttenburgh, October 12, 2015 at 12:59 pm
Here, I can't help but (mis)quote Uncle Joe's famous: "FSA? And how many divisions did they have?"

Like – no seriously? Who is braind dead enough to call the them, the complete losers, a <em.legitiate opposition ?

Cortes. October 12, 2015 at 1:56 pm
What is this Global Coalition of which they make mention?
Patient Observer. October 12, 2015 at 2:44 pm
"Good crock/Bad crock" – that sums up Western political debate.
Patient Observer, October 12, 2015 at 1:20 pm
Per a commentator on a Yahoo story on Syrian gains against the rebels:

"They [KSA, UAE states] fund and supplies ISIS and Al Qaeda even drop supplies from the air to terrorists through their clandestine ops which our government [USA] knows well and does nothing."

Made me wonder if the reason for SU-30s is to shoot these planes down – a no-fly zone aimed at shutting down these supply drops. The Saker pounds away at the point that Russian air assets in Syria are insufficient to enforce a no-fly zone against NATO. However, as just alluded, the purpose of the SU-30s may simply be to stop use of air drops to supply the terrorists.

Given the missile and radars on the SU-30s, a hand full should be enough to clear the skies of transport planes over Syria. Russian naval ships can provide the radar coverage to identify such aircraft and vector the Su-30s as required and the rest should be history.

[Oct 13, 2015] My comprehensive plan for US policy on the Middle East

"... US policy is often clueless, often based on some Beltway fantasy, but there are very real people at stake here, not just tiresome geopolitics. Most US policy derives from stupid game-playing, but some part derives from genuine, well-founded fear of the consequences of inaction. ..."
Oct 04, 2015 | Crooked Timber

geo, 10.04.15 at 6:28 pm

JQ@9: the supposed need to control ME oil was always nonsense, but it's nonsense on stilts now

http://www.dreamscape.com/morgana/enforce.htm:

"Documents recently obtained from Cheney's Energy Task Force as the result of a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit filed by the public-interest group Judicial Watch indicate that Cheney and his colleagues had their sites on the black gold under the Iraqi desert well before Sept. 11.

"Last July, the Commerce Department finally turned over records that included "a map of Iraqi oilfields, pipelines, refineries and terminals, as well as two charts detailing Iraqi oil and gas projects and 'Foreign Suitors for Iraqi Oilfield Contracts'," according to Judicial Watch's subsequent press release. There were also similar maps and charts for Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates. The documents were dated March 2001."

See also: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4458.htm.

If only Bush and Cheney had listened to people who knew something about the oil industry and believed in the free market …


Layman 10.04.15 at 8:38 pm

"To cite just one example, cutting off aid to Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Israel would cause a huge international crisis."

I'm afraid it's not at all clear that the resulting crisis would be 'huger' than the ones we get for the aid. U.S. aid to Israel (for example) is almost entirely military aid. We're sponsoring Israel's efforts to colonize the West Bank and to periodically destabilize Lebanon. These are international crises, and we're funding them.


Ze K 10.04.15 at 9:04 am

30 minutes before opening this page I read this: http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/10/02/a-useful-prep-sheet-on-syria-for-media-propagandists/

…and sent them $100.

@16 "the overwhelming majority of civilian deaths are down to the regime."

That is not what I get from The Angry Arab News Service, and no offense but I trust that As'ad AbuKhalil knows what he's talking about.

Peter T 10.04.15 at 9:17 am

Okay. So we airlift Allawis, Druze, Syrian Shia, Christians (30 per cent or so of the Syrian population) out, re-settle them in Arizona and leave the Islamists to fight it out. Oh, wait, we need to airlift out the Assyrians and Yezidi too. Then the Iraqi Shia and ISIS can fight it out. Iran will certainly intervene in force, but not our worry. Oh, and we'd better get most Jordanians out of the way too.

US policy is often clueless, often based on some Beltway fantasy, but there are very real people at stake here, not just tiresome geopolitics. Most US policy derives from stupid game-playing, but some part derives from genuine, well-founded fear of the consequences of inaction.

Donald Johnson 10.04.15 at 5:46 pm

And here is a link to a Physicians for Social Responsibility paper which discusses the various studies and estimates of the death toll in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. Their numbers are on the higher side–

http://www.psr.org/assets/pdfs/body-count.pdf

[Oct 13, 2015] Flight MH17 downed by Russian-built missile, Dutch investigators say

It was BUK -- Video contains important finding that fragment of missile paint and elements from the missile warhead in pilot bodies. It is mainly non technical watch-v=KDiLEyT9spI and does not cover conflicting evidence. So at last we know that there was a BUK missile the downs the airliner. I doubt that Dutch investigators make a mistake on this aspect of cause of the tragedy (that does not explains accurate round holes is the part of cockpit wreckage though). Still the set of old questions remains. But it we assume this was BUK, why nobody saw the dense smoke trail of the rocket in daylight and perfect weather. The dense smoke trail that should still be visible at the moment when the plane was hit and when several thousand eyes were watching the area in notably absent.
The Guardian
A Buk surface-to-air missile downed flight MH17, Dutch investigators have said as they unveiled a reconstruction of the plane that showed huge shrapnel damage to the cockpit and front section.

Tjibbe Joustra, the chairman of the Dutch safety board, said the Malaysia Airlines plane was hit by a 9N314M warhead on 17 July 2014, as it flew at 33,000ft (10,000 metres) above eastern Ukraine. The warhead was fitted to a "9M28 missile" fired from a Russian-built Buk missile system, he confirmed.

Related: MH17 crash report: Dutch investigators confirm Buk missile hit plane - live updates

Speaking in front of the reconstructed plane – pieced together from parts of recovered debris, fitted around a metal skeleton – Joustra said all other scenarios to explain the disaster, which killed all 298 people on board, had been ruled out.

An animated video was shown to journalists at the Gilze-Rijen airbase in the Netherlands, where the plane was part reassembled over three months. It showed the Buk missile exploding on the left-hand side of the cockpit. Thousands of metal objects were ejected, with hundreds then penetrating the plane with tremendous force, Joustra said.

The impact and ensuing pressure drop killed the three pilots instantly, he said. On-board microphones captured the moment of impact – "a sound ping". This allowed investigators to determine the devastating blast occurred on the upper-left hand side of the cockpit.

The damage was starkly visible. The front section of the Boeing 777 below the pilot's port window was perforated with large shrapnel holes. Other parts were relatively unscathed. Five windows in the business class section were visible, together with a door where the passengers entered. The pilot's seats had been remounted in the cockpit – a haunting sight.

The plane's nose was missing, together with much of its upper front half. The colours of Malaysia Airlines – a red, blue stripe – were still visible. Exit holes left by shrapnel could be seen on the other right side; exploding fragments had ripped through the fuselage.

Animation shows Russian Buk missile hit Malaysia Airlines MH17

According to Joustra, the passenger plane broke up mid-air. The cockpit and the floor of the business class tore away almost instantly from the main body and crashed. The rest of the plane continued flying for about five miles in an easterly direction, hitting the ground about a minute to a minuter and a half later. Debris was scattered over 50 sq km.

In a briefing on Tuesday morning to relatives of the victims, which took place in The Hague, Joustra said the passengers on board – two-thirds of whom were Dutch nationals – would have been unconscious within seconds.

The board had previously made clear its findings would not deal with blame and liability; a criminal investigation by the Dutch prosecutor's office is scheduled to conclude in early 2016.

The flightpath of MH17

Joustra said the Buk had been fired from a 320 sq km area of eastern Ukraine, the scene of a conflict between pro-Russia separatists backed by Moscow and Ukrainian government forces. He said "further forensic investigation" would be needed to determine the exact launch site.

The Netherlands, Ukraine and Russia had all carried out their own simulations into the missile's probable trajectory. Russia was the only one of seven countries involved in the report's preparation that dissented from its central conclusions, Joustra said, adding that Moscow believed "it was impossible to determine the type of missile or warhead with any certainty".

It is widely assumed that Russia-backed separatists were responsible for bringing down MH17, but the US has stopped short of blaming Moscow directly. The Kremlin has blamed Kiev – variously suggesting that a Ukrainian military jet shot down the Boeing 777, or that a missile was launched from a government-held area.

The Russian simulation includes areas under Ukrainian government control. The other simulations suggest the Buk was fired from separatist areas. An open source investigation by the website Bellingcat, published last week, tracks the Buk from a Russian military base in Kursk. It was then smuggled across the Ukrainian border.

In Moscow, the makers of Buk missile systems, Almaz-Antey, gave a press conference on Tuesday morning, apparently to distract attention from the Dutch report.

The manufacturer said it had performed two experiments it says prove one of its missiles could not have been launched from areas under pro-Russia separatist control.

The Dutch safety board report, published in English and Dutch, concedes that family members had to wait "an unnecessarily long period of time" for formal confirmation that their loved ones were dead. The Dutch authorities "lacked management and coordination", he said.

The victims came from nine countries, including Malaysia and Australia, and with 10 victims from the UK.

Joustra also said there was a simple, "dispiriting" answer to the question: why was MH17 allowed to fly above eastern Ukraine? It had not occurred to anybody that the airspace was unsafe for civilian jets at cruising altitude, he said. This was despite 60 Ukrainian aircraft and helicopters had been downed since the start of the Russia-Ukraine conflict in spring 2014.

About 160 civilian planes flew over the area on the day of the disaster. Three were in "close proximity" when the Buk was fired, he said. Ukraine should have closed its airspace to civilian traffic, he added.

[Oct 13, 2015] What happened to Carlos the air traffic controller who sent word about military interference at ATC

"... and what happened to Carlos the air traffic controller who sent word about military interference at ATC? ..."
Jun 16, 2003 | Zero Hedge
FixItAgainTony

and what happened to Carlos the air traffic controller who sent word about military interference at ATC?
http://sherriequestioningall.blogspot.com/2014/07/carlos-spanish-kiev-ai...

[Oct 13, 2015] The headline is a bit over the top but relations between the West and Russia steadily deteriorate

Warren , October 11, 2015 at 10:59 am

RAF given green light to shoot down hostile Russian jets in Syria

As relations between the West and Russia steadily deteriorate, Royal Air Force (RAF) pilots have been given the go-ahead to shoot down Russian military jets when flying missions over Syria and Iraq, if they are endangered by them. The development comes with warnings that the UK and Russia are now "one step closer" to being at war.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/raf-given-green-light-shoot-down-hostile-russian-jets-syria-1523488

Moscow Exile , October 11, 2015 at 12:50 pm

"The first thing a British pilot will do is to try to avoid a situation where an air-to-air attack is likely to occur - you avoid an area if there is Russian activity," an unidentified source from the UK's Permanent Joint Headquarters (PJHQ) told the Sunday Times. "But if a pilot is fired on or believes he is about to be fired on, he can defend himself. We now have a situation where a single pilot, irrespective of nationality, can have a strategic impact on future events."

The headline is a bit over the top, don't you think?

The same rule applies to all combat pilots of any nation, as indeed the (as usual) unidentified source is quoted as saying.

That's why the US navy shot down an Iranian airliner, isn't it: the warship thought it was being threatened by the passenger aircraft.

Patient Observer , October 11, 2015 at 5:30 pm

Trigger happy, poorly trained, panic-stricken, glory-seeking and incompetent – what else can describe the US Navy's shoot-down? How would they perform in a real war with an adversary able to hit back hard?

marknesop , October 11, 2015 at 9:53 pm

Yes to the first, and no to the second. The U.S. Navy shot down an Iranian airliner they claim they mistook for an Iranian F-14 Tomcat, although it (1) took off from a known civil airport following a commercial air route and within the air safety corridor, (2) was displaying the IFF interrogator trace for civil aviation, (3) was correlated to a civil aviation radar emitter rather than the AN/AWG-9 radar associated with the F-14, and which is quite distinctive on ESM gear and (4) was not descending or following an attack profile. The USS VINCENNES stationed itself directly underneath an air traffic corridor within Iranian airspace, so that normal air traffic passed directly over it; obviously, for one half of its transit, an aircraft would close the VINCENNES, and for the remainder it would be opening after it passed overhead. I'd have to look up again if any warnings were passed, but if there were the pilot likely did not think the surface unit was talking to him, since he was flying the same route he did every day or week or with whatever degree of regularity. So if he was told to turn away he likely did not think it applied to him, as few commercial pilots would be able to conceive of the arrogance of a ship's captain who would park his ship in Iranian territorial waters and then demand that all the country's civil aviation reroute themselves around his position.

[Oct 13, 2015] Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 Most Likely Hit by Russian-Made Missile, Inquiry Says

Looks like Dutch report is a cover up of the state US position on the incident... After all it's from a vassal state.
The New York Times

... ... ...

"Flight MH17 crashed as a result of the detonation of a warhead outside the airplane above the left-hand side of the cockpit," said Tjibbe Joustra, chairman of the Dutch Safety Board, using a common reference to the flight number. The explosion tore off the forward part of the plane, which broke up in the air. The crash killed all 298 people aboard; the investigation found that many died instantly, while others quickly lost consciousness. "It is likely that the occupants were barely able to comprehend their situation," the board found.

... ... ...

The report is unlikely to produce consensus. Based on the impact pattern, the impact angle and other data, the Dutch board concluded that the missile originated in an area of about 320 square kilometers (about 123 square miles) in eastern Ukraine. But Russian experts say the area must be smaller, and Ukrainian experts say it was smaller still.

The team of investigators was led by the Netherlands but included members from four other countries heavily affected by the crash: Australia, Belgium, Malaysia and Ukraine.

... ... ...

From the outset, the Russian government has tried to offer alternative versions of what caused the plane to break up over eastern Ukraine.

Initially, the Defense Ministry presented what generals said was radar data indicating that a Ukrainian fighter jet had flown nearby, possibly shooting down the Malaysia Airlines flight. This year, officials with Almaz-Antey, the state corporation that manufactures the Buk antiaircraft missiles, held a news conference in Moscow to say that they believed one of their missiles had shot down the plane, but that an analysis of the angle of impact showed it must have been fired from territory controlled by the Ukrainian Army.

Then, this month, after a Ukrainian security official had suggested in an interview with the Dutch news media that shrapnel removed from the bodies of the victims proved a Buk was to blame, Tass, the Russian state news agency, quoted an independent expert objecting that it was too early to conclude such a missile brought down the plane.

Tass quoted the expert, Ivan P. Konovalov, the director of a Moscow research center, the Center for Strategic Trends, as saying that if the Dutch Safety Board indeed "reaches a firm conclusion that the Boeing was struck by a Buk antiaircraft rocket, then it should be taken into consideration that at that time only the armed services of Ukraine had these complexes and the People's Republics of Donbas had no such complex systems then or now." He was referring to pro-Russian separatist governments set up in the Donbas region in eastern Ukraine.

In Moscow, officials at Almaz-Antey staged a dueling presentation on Tuesday with a dazzling element: the company blew up a civilian airline fuselage with one of its missiles, and showed the blast on video.

The experiment that shredded the cockpit section of a decommissioned Il-86 airliner, company officials said, indicated the Ukrainian military fired the missile that brought down the Boeing, without elaborating on why.

In the sky over Ukraine, the Russian officials said, the shrapnel struck the plane from an angle indicating the missile was launched from Ukrainian-held territory. Also, they said, Buk missiles in the Russian arsenal explode in a cloud of shrapnel that has jagged edges, described as having a "double-T" form. These, they said, leave a characteristic "butterfly"-shaped hole in airplane fuselages. The Russians insisted that no such holes were found in the wreckage; the Dutch report suggests otherwise.

In any case, Yan V. Novikov, the director of Almaz-Antey, said the Ukrainian government bore responsibility for allowing the flight over a war zone. "I cannot say they are guilty, or not guilty, but the obligations of the country where a military conflict is underway is to inform aviation companies, or close its airspace," he said.

... ... ...

[Oct 12, 2015] OPEC Crude Little Change - Peak Oil BarrelPeak

"... Ron's excellent charts are telling me that Opec is not going to be producing as much or MORE oil on a daily basis, if any, very much longer. With only three countries carrying the load, and all the others combined just holding steady over the last few years, DEPLETION is sure to take a bite out of those other smaller countries production pretty soon. ..."
"... It looks as if the only countries with any REAL hope of increasing production enough to really matter on the world stage, near term, are Iran and Iraq and the USA. The USA is out of the running until prices go up and then, according to what I read here, it will take a year or maybe two to ramp up again. ..."
"... Nobody can predict when oil prices will rise with any accuracy. I will suggest it will be in the future, maybe late 2016, maybe not. ..."
Aug 30, 2012 | peakoilbarrel.com

Oil Barrel

OPEC says world upstream spending will be down only 20% in 2015 but North American upstream spending will drop by 35%. I guess that is because of the big drop in shale spending.

Ovi, 10/12/2015 at 10:52 am

3Q15–4Q15–1Q16–2Q16–3Q16–4Q16
-13.5-13.4-13.4-13.5--13.5-13.7

Above is the OPEC projection for US production out to Q4-16. Looks optimistic to me. For the above to be true, there must be some underlining assumption regarding increasing oil prices to restart drilling.

Ron Patterson, 10/12/2015 at 1:01 pm

Yes those numbers are totally unrealistic, just as unrealistic as the US Short Term Energy Outlook numbers. In the chart below US Total Liquids are the left axis while C+C numbers are the right axis.

Total liquids for the US STEO includes refinery process gain. And they even count refinery process gain on imported oil. So it looks like the OPEC MOMR numbers do not include refinery process gain.

AlexS, 10/12/2015 at 2:53 pm

The EIA expects U.S. non-C+C liquids supply to increase by 1.17mb/d between January 2014 and December 2016, of which 1.03 mb/d – NGPLs.

brian, 10/12/2015 at 1:40 pm

'God-trader' Andy Hall's fund loses $500M

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/08/06/god-trader-andy-halls-fund-loses-500m.html

Ves, 10/12/2015 at 2:05 pm

Was he trading based on IEA, EIA or OPEC forecast numbers? :)

Old Farmer Mac, 10/12/2015 at 2:31 pm

Ron's excellent charts are telling me that Opec is not going to be producing as much or MORE oil on a daily basis, if any, very much longer. With only three countries carrying the load, and all the others combined just holding steady over the last few years, DEPLETION is sure to take a bite out of those other smaller countries production pretty soon.

It looks as if the only countries with any REAL hope of increasing production enough to really matter on the world stage, near term, are Iran and Iraq and the USA. The USA is out of the running until prices go up and then, according to what I read here, it will take a year or maybe two to ramp up again.

Am I right about this? Are there any other countries that have any real hope of substantially increasing production near term?

I am thinking about buying a LOT (for an individual) of diesel fuel as soon as I think the price is starting up again. I know, predicting IS HARD , but a bigger stash of diesel is as good as silver and gold in a jar buried in the back yard. Will probably stock up on lime and fertilizer as well, these inputs are extremely sensitive to and correlate with oil and gas prices.

Dennis Coyne, 10/12/2015 at 2:53 pm

Hi Old Farmer Mac,

Just take my price predictions and assume the opposite will be true, or flip a coin :)

Nobody can predict when oil prices will rise with any accuracy. I will suggest it will be in the future, maybe late 2016, maybe not.

Petro, 10/12/2015 at 10:26 pm

…there will be no price rise, just the volatility of: "…a bomb went off here…", "…a war started there…" and "…a russian jet was shot down over there…somewhere…".

be well,

P.S: the "hoard" of diesel is not a bad idea, OFM

Old Farmer Mac, 10/12/2015 at 2:52 pm

This new SEC regulation might help people interested in peak oil and oil prices come by more and better data.

It will probably go into force second half next year from the looks of things.

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/economy-budget/256535-wind-at-secs-back-on-long-overdue-oil-transparency-rule

Chris, 10/12/2015 at 3:31 pm

OPEC has reached a plateau, oscillating between 28 mbpd to 31.6 mbpd since 10 years now. World production peaked so far in June. Saudi Arabia production in decline since June, US production in decline since several months. Peak oil in 2015? I am curious to see the December production…

Dennis Coyne, 10/12/2015 at 6:23 pm

It looks like the latest OPEC Monthly Oil Market Report predicts that World Oil Supply and Demand will be in balance by 3Q16, if OPEC output remains at 3Q15 levels. There will still be a supply overhang which may require another quarter or two of either decreased supply or increased demand (or both) to bring oil stocks back to normal levels.

As always, these forecasts are notoriously inaccurate so oil prices could remain low until 2018 if demand is lower or supply is higher than OPEC forecasts, or they might rise in early 2016 if the opposite is true. It's a coin flip.

Greenbub, 10/12/2015 at 7:43 pm

Wouldn't most oil producers go out of business if prices stayed low until 2018?

[Oct 12, 2015] Saudi Arabia Halts Government Spending Due To Oil Price Fall

Aug 30, 2012 | OilPrice.com

Saudi Arabia has reportedly resorted to spending cuts to cope with a budget deficit caused by the steep decline of oil prices over the past year.

Bloomberg reported Oct. 8 that the Saudi Finance Ministry has directed government agencies not to embark on any new spending initiatives for the rest of the year. It also froze government hiring and promotions, suspended the purchase of furniture and vehicles and urged revenue collectors to accelerate their operations.

...oil accounts for around 90 percent of Saudi revenue. But the kingdom's finances also have been strained by its involvement in wars in Syria and Yemen.

As a result, Saudi Arabia's ratio of debt to GDP is in danger of rising to 33 percent in five years, according to a new report by the International Monetary Fund (IMF). The report says the Saudi budget has gone from a surplus to a deficit of more than 20 percent of GDP, more than twice as deep as those that beset the United States and Britain in 2008 and 2009, the darkest period of the recent recession

... ... ...

The spending cuts aren't Saudi Arabia's first effort to manage its deficit. Bloomberg quoted other anonymous sources as saying Riyadh had planned to raise at least $24 billion from bond sales by the end of 2015. This was in response to a drop in the kingdom's foreign assets, which at that time had fallen for the seventh consecutive month to $654.5 billion, its lowest in more than two years.

[Oct 12, 2015] Could oil prices really shrink to twenty dollars per barrel

"... When we look at the next few quarters, we expect U.S. oil production to decline because of low oil prices and in Iraq, production growth will be much slower than in the past. And the demand is creeping up, ..."
"... So therefore, to think that [low] oil prices will be with us forever may not be the right way of thinking ..."
"... Despite its warning, Goldman Sachs said there was a less than 50 percent chance of oil falling to $20 per barrel. Instead, its base case scenario for 2016 was $45 per barrel -a level that Birol said was still too low for U.S. shale producers to maintain current production. ..."
Oct 06, 2015 | finance.yahoo.com

... Fatih Birol, the executive director of the International Energy Agency (IEA), told CNBC on Tuesday that low prices would prompt U.S. producers to cut output, creating upward price pressure.

"When we look at the next few quarters, we expect U.S. oil production to decline because of low oil prices and in Iraq, production growth will be much slower than in the past. And the demand is creeping up," Birol told CNBC on Tuesday from the Oil & Money conference.

"So therefore, to think that [low] oil prices will be with us forever may not be the right way of thinking."

... ... ....

Whether or not U.S. shale players will cut production in response to ongoing low prices is a moot point however. They could instead respond by increasing production in order to satisfy creditors eager for results. Plus, against some odds, shale producers have managed to lower productions costs, although these remain high in comparison to conventional oil production.

Despite its warning, Goldman Sachs said there was a less than 50 percent chance of oil falling to $20 per barrel. Instead, its base case scenario for 2016 was $45 per barrel -a level that Birol said was still too low for U.S. shale producers to maintain current production.

"It is proven it is a very resilient type of production, but this level of prices, $45, $50 is not good enough to induce reinvestments and for production to continue to grow. Therefore, we expect as of next year, production growth will decline in the United States," Birol told CNBC.

The secretary general of OPEC, Abadall El-Badri, also forecast that oil production from countries outside his group would fall next year.

... ... ...

"We see that non-OPEC supply is declining and in 2016, we see there is an increase in demand … so in a nutshell, there is a balance in the market in 2016. How much this will reflect on the price I really cannot tell," he later added.

... ... ...

Standard & Poor's (S&P) appeared more bullish on oil prices than Goldman, forecasting on Tuesday that Brent oil would average $55 per barrel in 2016, up from an average of $50 for the remainder of this year.

[Oct 12, 2015] Problem of fracking wells decline in shale industry

"... this disaster would have overtaken the fracking patch even if oil prices had not tanked, because its root problem was the hideous decline rate of fracking wells, most of which are exhausted within four years. ..."
"... Imagine if they built houses of water-soluble materials. You buy a house for $200,000 or so, and at the end of four years its uninhabitable and worthless, and you have to buy another one. You might have been making good money those four years, but enough to set aside $50,000 a year? Thats been the fracking problem from the beginning, and virtually every company in the business has had to borrow heavily – actually, recklessly - to stay in the game. ..."
Oct 09, 2015 | peakoilbarrel.com
Another interesting article linked on Peakoil.com, which links to a Fortune article:

http://www.dailyimpact.net/2015/09/30/fortune-frackers-face-mass-extinction/

As I've reported here over and over, this disaster would have overtaken the fracking patch even if oil prices had not tanked, because its root problem was the hideous decline rate of fracking wells, most of which are exhausted within four years.

Imagine if they built houses of water-soluble materials. You buy a house for $200,000 or so, and at the end of four years it's uninhabitable and worthless, and you have to buy another one. You might have been making good money those four years, but enough to set aside $50,000 a year? That's been the fracking problem from the beginning, and virtually every company in the business has had to borrow heavily – actually, recklessly - to stay in the game.

Which is over. For most. There will always be some operators diligently wringing out the last few drops of combustibles, but the Brave New World of American oil supremacy in a cowed world, the age of American energy security, the renewed American oil economy - all creations of marketing departments in search of the proverbial greater-fool investors and lenders - are toast.

[Oct 12, 2015] Oil rig count drops for a 6th week

According to driller Baker Hughes, the number of active oil rigs fell by 9 to 605, putting the count at the lowest level since the week ending July 30, 2010. The combined tally of oil and gas rigs fell 14 from last week to 795, the lowest since May 2002. We saw a renewed drop in the oil rig count last week, which fell by 26, the biggest decline since the rig count topped out a year ago.

Earlier this week, Baker Hughes reported that the average US rig count for September was 848, down 35 from the prior month.

[Oct 12, 2015] In Midst of War, Ukraine Becomes Gateway for Jihad

A new player among far right forces in Ukraine...
"... Photos: Tomasz Glowacki ..."
"... Next: The Life and Death of a Chechen Commander ..."
"... At the request of the writer, "Ruslan" is identified by a pseudonym. ..."
Feb. 26 2015 | theintercept.com
"OUR BROTHERS ARE there," Khalid said when he heard I was going to Ukraine. "Buy a local SIM card when you get there, send me the number and then wait for someone to call you."

Khalid, who uses a pseudonym, leads the Islamic State's underground branch in Istanbul. He came from Syria to help control the flood of volunteers arriving in Turkey from all over the world, wanting to join the global jihad. Now, he wanted to put me in touch with Ruslan, a "brother" fighting with Muslims in Ukraine.

The "brothers" are members of ISIS and other underground Islamic organizations, men who have abandoned their own countries and cities. Often using pseudonyms and fake identities, they are working and fighting in the Middle East, Africa and the Caucasus, slipping across borders without visas. Some are fighting to create a new Caliphate - heaven on earth. Others - like Chechens, Kurds and Dagestanis - say they are fighting for freedom, independence and self-determination. They are on every continent, and in almost every country, and now they are in Ukraine, too.

In the West, most look at the war in Ukraine as simply a battle between Russian-backed separatists and the Ukrainian government. But the truth on the ground is now far more complex, particularly when it comes to the volunteer battalions fighting on the side of Ukraine. Ostensibly state-sanctioned, but not necessarily state-controlled, some have been supported by Ukrainian oligarchs, and others by private citizens. Less talked about, however, is the Dudayev battalion, named after the first president of Chechnya, Dzhokhar Dudayev, and founded by Isa Munayev, a Chechen commander who fought in two wars against Russia.

Ukraine is now becoming an important stop-off point for the brothers, like Ruslan. In Ukraine, you can buy a passport and a new identity. For $15,000, a fighter receives a new name and a legal document attesting to Ukrainian citizenship. Ukraine doesn't belong to the European Union, but it's an easy pathway for immigration to the West. Ukrainians have few difficulties obtaining visas to neighboring Poland, where they can work on construction sites and in restaurants, filling the gap left by the millions of Poles who have left in search of work in the United Kingdom and Germany.

You can also do business in Ukraine that's not quite legal. You can earn easy money for the brothers fighting in the Caucasus, Syria and Afghanistan. You can "legally" acquire unregistered weapons to fight the Russian-backed separatists, and then export them by bribing corrupt Ukrainian customs officers.

"Our goal here is to get weapons, which will be sent to the Caucasus," Ruslan, the brother who meets me first in Kiev, admits without hesitation.

WITH HIS WHITE hair and beard, Ruslan is still physically fit, even at 57. He's been a fighter his entire adult life. Born in a small mountain village in the Caucasus, on the border between Dagestan and Chechnya, Ruslan belongs to an ethnic minority known as the Lak, who are predominantly Sunni Muslim.

The world that Ruslan inhabits - the world of the brothers - is something new. When he first became a fighter, there wasn't any Internet or cell phones, or cameras on the street, or drones. Ruslan joined the brothers when the Soviet Union collapsed, and he went to fight for a better world, first against the Russians in Chechnya and Dagestan during the first Chechen war in the mid-1990s. He then moved to Azerbaijan, where he was eventually arrested in 2004 on suspicion of maintaining contact with al Qaeda.

Even though Ruslan admits to fighting with Islamic organizations, he claims the actual basis for the arrest in Azerbaijan - illegal possession of weapons - was false. Authorities couldn't find anything suspicious where he was living (Ruslan was staying at the time with his "brothers" in the jihad movement) but in his wife's home they found a single hand grenade. Ruslan was charged with illegal weapons possession and sent to prison for several years.

In prison, he says he was tortured and deliberately housed in a cell with prisoners infected with tuberculosis. Ruslan took his case to the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg, France, accusing the authorities in Azerbaijan of depriving him of due process. The court eventually agreed, and asked the Azerbaijani government to pay Ruslan 2,400 euros in compensation, plus another 1,000 euros for court costs.

But when Ruslan was released from prison, he didn't want to stay in Azerbaijan, fearing he would be rearrested, or even framed for a crime and again accused of terrorism. "Some of our people disappear and are never found," he says. "There was one brother [who disappeared], and when he was brought for burial, a card was found showing that he was one of 30 people held in detention in Russia."

In Russia, a warrant was issued for Riuan's arrest. Returning to his small mountain village was out of the question. If he goes back, his family will end up paying for what he does, anyhow. "They get to us through our families," he says. He condemns those who refused to leave their own country and fight the infidels. This was the choice: either stay, or go abroad where "you can breathe freedom."

"Man is born free," Ruslan says. "We are slaves of God and not the slaves of people, especially those who are against their own people, and break the laws of God. There is only one law: the law of God."

After his release from prison in Azerbaijan, Ruslan became the eternal wanderer, a rebel - and one of the brothers now in Ukraine. He came because Munayev, now head of the Dudayev battalion, decided the brothers should fight in Ukraine. "I am here today because my brother, Isa, called us and said, 'It's time to repay your debt,'" Ruslan says. "There was a time when the brothers from Ukraine came [to Chechnya] and fought against the common enemy, the aggressor, the occupier."

That debt is to Ukrainians like Oleksandr Muzychko, who became one of the brothers, even though he never converted to Islam. Muzyczko, along with other Ukrainian volunteers, joined Chechen fighters and took part in the first Chechen war against Russia. He commanded a branch of Ukrainian volunteers, called "Viking," which fought under famed Chechen militant leader Shamil Basayev. Muzychko died last year in Ukraine under mysterious circumstances.

Ruslan has been in Ukraine for almost a year, and hasn't seen his family since he arrived. Their last separation lasted almost seven years. He's never had time to raise children, or even really to get to know them. Although he's a grandfather, he only has one son - a small family by Caucasian standards, but better for him, since a smaller family costs less. His wife calls often and asks for money, but Ruslan rarely has any to give her.

IN THE 17th century, the area to the east of the Dnieper River was known as the "wilderness," an ungoverned territory that attracted refugees, criminals and peasants - a place beyond the reach of the Russian empire. Today, this part of Ukraine plays a similar role, this time for Muslim brothers. In eastern Ukraine, the green flag of jihad flies over some of the private battalions' bases.

For many Muslims, like Ruslan, the war in Ukraine's Donbass region is just the next stage in the fight against the Russian empire. It doesn't matter to them whether their ultimate goal is a Caliphate in the Middle East, or simply to have the Caucuses free of Russian influence - the brothers are united not by nation, but by a sense of community and solidarity.

But the brothers barely have the financial means for fighting or living. They are poor, and very rarely receive grants from the so-called Islamic humanitarian organizations. They must earn money for themselves, and this is usually done by force. Amber is one of the ideas Ruslan has for financing the "company of brothers" fighting in eastern Ukraine - the Dudayev battalion, which includes Muslims from several nations, Ukrainians, Georgians, and even a few Russians.

The brothers had hoped the Ukrainian authorities would appreciate their dedication and willingness to give their lives in defense of Ukrainian sovereignty, but they miscalculated. Like other branches of fighters - Aidar, Azov and Donbass - the government, for the most part, ignores them. They're armed volunteers outside the control of Kiev, and Ukraine's politicians also fear that one day, instead of fighting Russians in the east, the volunteers will turn on the government in Kiev. So ordinary people help the volunteers, but it's not enough. The fighters associated with the Ukrainian nationalist Right Sector get money, cars and houses from the rich oligarchs.

Ruslan has a different plan. He's afraid that if they begin stealing from the rich, the Ukrainian government will quickly declare their armed branch illegal. He's decided to work in the underground economy - uncontrolled by the state - which the brothers know best.

Back in the '90s, the amber mines in the vast forests surrounding the city of Rivne were state-owned and badly run, so residents began illegally mining; it was a chance at easy money. Soon, however, the mafia took over. For the right daily fee, miners could work and sell amber to the mafia at a fixed price: $100 per kilogram. The mafia conspired with local militia, prosecutors and the governor. That was the way business worked.

As a result, although Ukraine officially produces 3 tons of amber annually, more than 15 tons are illegally exported to Poland each year. There, the ore is processed and sold at a substantial profit. The Rivne mines operate 24 hours a day. Hundreds of people with shovels in hand search the forest; they pay less to the mafia, but they extract less amber and earn less. The better off are those who have a water pump. Those people pump water at high pressure into the earth between the trees, until a cavity 2 to 3 meters deep forms. Amber, which is lighter than water, rises to the surface.

At one point, Ruslan disappeared in Rivne for several weeks. When he returned, he was disappointed; he'd failed to convince the local mafia to cooperate with the brothers' fight for an independent Ukraine. But now, he has other arguments to persuade them. His men are holding up the mines, by not allowing anyone into the forest. Either the local gangsters share their profits, or no one will get paid.

Ruslan doesn't like this job. He knows it won't bring him any glory, and could land him in prison. He would have preferred to be among the fighters at the front lines, where everything is clear and clean. He says he can still fight, but he's already too old to really endure the rigors of battle, even if he doesn't want to admit it. He may still be physically fit, but fighters don't usually last longer than a few years. Then they lose their strength and will to fight.

He has other orders from Munayev: he's supposed to organize a "direct response group" in Kiev. The group will be a sort of rear echelon unit that take care of problems, like if someone tries to discredit the Dudayev battalion. It will also collect debts or scare off competition. There's no doubt the new branch will work behind the lines, where there isn't war, but there is money - as long as you know where to get it. If need be, the direct response group volunteers will watch over the mines in Rivne, or "will acquire" money from illegal casinos, which operate by the hundreds in Kiev.

Ruslan sends me photos of the group's criminal exploits: they came into the casinos with weapons, and broke into the safes and slot machines. They disappeared quickly, and were never punished. The money went to food, uniforms, boots, tactical vests and other equipment necessary for the fighters. The mafia knows they can't beat them at this game. The brothers are too good, because they are armed and experienced in battle. The police aren't interested in getting involved either. In the end, it's illegal gambling.

I told Ruslan that it's a dangerous game. He laughed.

"It's child's play," he says. "We used to do this in Dagestan. No one will lift a finger. Don't worry."

RUSLAN FINALLY DROVE me to see his "older brother," to Isa Munayev, and his secret base located many miles west of Donetsk.

Riding in an old Chrysler that Ruslan bought in Poland, we drove for several hours, on potholed and snowy roads. Ruslan had glued to the car one of the emblems of Ukraine's ATO, the so-called Anti-Terrorist Operation, which includes both soldiers and volunteers in the fight against separatists.

The bumper sticker allows him to drive through police traffic stops without being held up - or if he is stopped, they won't demand bribes as they do from other drivers. The ATO sticker, Ruslan's camouflage uniform, and a gun in his belt are enough to settle matters. Policemen salute him and wish him good luck.

He drives fast, not wanting to rest, sleep or even drink coffee. If he stops, it's to check the compass on his belt to check the direction of Mecca. When it's time to pray, he stops the car, turns off the engine, places his scarf in the snow and bows down to Allah.

Asked whether - after so many hardships, after so many years, and at his age, almost 60 now - he would finally like to rest, he answered indignantly, "How could I feel tired?"

There's much more work to do, according to Ruslan. "There's been a small result, but we will rest only when we've reached our goals," he says. "I'm carrying out orders, written in the Holy Quran. 'Listen to God, the Prophet.' And I listen to him and do what I'm told."

On the way into the city of Kryvyi Rih, we met with Dima, a young businessman - under 40 - but already worth some $5 million. He's recently lost nearly $3 million from his business in Donetsk, which has been hit hard by the war. Dima worked for Igor Kolomoisky, one of the oligarchs who had been funding Ukraine's volunteer battalions. Dima and Ruslan have only known each other for a short time. Ruslan claimed Dima owed him a lot of money, although it's unclear from what. Ruslan kept bothering him, threatening to blackmail him. Finally, he got $20,000 from Dima.

That's not nearly enough to support the Dudayev battalion. But Ruslan had something bigger to offer Dima: amber. Now, Dima was ready to talk. He came up with the idea to find buyers in the Persian Gulf, including wealthy sheikhs. They would like to sell an entire house of amber: furniture, stairs, floors, and inlaid stones. It only takes contacts, and Ruslan has them. The brothers from Saudi Arabia like to help the jihad in the Caucasus and the Middle East.

The next day, Ruslan was behind the wheel again. The old Chrysler barely moved, its engine overheated. A mechanic with an engineering degree and experience working in Soviet arms factories connected a plastic bottle filled with dirty water to the radiator using a rubber hose.

"I don't know how long I'll last," Ruslan says suddenly. "It depends on God. I'll probably die on this road. But I don't have any other road to take."

Photos: Tomasz Glowacki

Next: The Life and Death of a Chechen Commander

* At the request of the writer, "Ruslan" is identified by a pseudonym.

The material for this story is part of BROTHERS, a documentary film being developed for Germany's broadcaster WDR – Die Story and Autentic, produced by Propellerfilm, broadcast date May 18th, 10pm (MET).

[Oct 12, 2015] Paul Craig Roberts: A Decisive Shift In The Power Balance Has Occurred

... my former CSIS colleague, Zbigniew Brzezinski, normally a sensible if sometimes misguided person, has written in the Financial Times that Washington should deliver an ultimatum to Russia to "cease and desist from military actions that directly affect American assets." By "American assets," Brzezinski means the jihadist forces that Washington has sicced on Syria.

Brzezinski's claim that "Russia must work with, not against, the US in Syria" is false. The fact of the matter is that "the US must work with, not against Russia in Syria," as Russia controls the situation, is in accordance with international law, and is doing the right thing.

Ash Carter, the US Secretary for War, repeats Brzezinski's demand. He declared that Washington is not prepared to cooperate with Russia's "tragically flawed" and "mistaken strategy" that frustrates Washington's illegal attempt to overthrow the Syrian government with military violence.

Washington's position is that only Washington decides and that Washington intends to unleash yet more chaos on the world in the hope that it reaches Russia.

... ... ...

Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn, a former director of the US Defense Intelligence Agency, the Pentagon's intelligence organization, said that Washington needs to understand that "Russia also has foreign policy; Russia also has a national security strategy" and stop crossing Russia's "red lines." Gen. Flynn thus joins with Patrick J. Buchanan as two voices of sense and sensibility in Washington. Together they stand against the arrogance and hubris that will destroy us.

Several commentators, such as Mike Whitney and Stephen Lendman, have concluded, correctly, that there is nothing that Washington can do about Russian actions against the Islamic State. The neoconservatives' plan for a UN no-fly zone over Syria in order to push out the Russians is a pipedream. No such resolution will come out of the UN. Indeed, the Russians have already established a de facto no-fly zone.

Putin, without issuing any verbal threats or engaging in any name-calling, has decisively shifted the power balance, and the world knows it.

... ... ...

worbsid

It is completely impossible for Obama to admit he is wrong. Note the 60 Min interview.

Mini-Me

Wondering which host the neocons will attach themselves to after having sucked the US dry. A parasite should never kill its host.

A Lunatic

Following advice from the likes of Brzezinski is a large part of the problem......

BarnacleBill

I've posted this before, but... we can't ask the question too often: Who sold ISIS all those Toyotas? ISIS didn't buy them themselves out of some Texas showroom, custom-built for desert warfare! Right?

http://barlowscayman.blogspot.com/2014/10/who-sold-isis-all-those-toyotas.html

johmack2

I must admit this certainly seems like a wild BEAST in action. Wreakless, seemingly unpredictable causing mass chaos in its wake


Chad_the_short_...

Why don't they want to hit israel? I thought all muslims wanted a piece of Israel.

Macon Richardson

Do you really have to ask?

Reaper

ISIS are the nutured harpies of Barack, McCain and the neo-cons, which inflict death and mayhem upon their targets. ISIS's evil is Barack's, McCain's and the neo-con" projected evil.

In US law, they are called principles and as such deserve equal punishment. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2 ISIS's acts are war crimes. The principles abetting ISIS are as guilty as ISIS. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2441

War crimes text (Geneva Convention): "To this end, the following acts are and shall remain prohibited at any time and in any place whatsoever with respect to the above-mentioned persons:

a)violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture;

b)taking of hostages;

c)outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and de-grading treatment." https://www.icrc.org/eng/assets/files/publications/icrc-002-0173.pdf


Salah

Anyone making these bullshit comments about ISIS being the USA's extra-military arm (or Israel's) has obviously NEVER BEEN IN THE MILITARY. Ditto any of the alphabet covert services.

ISIS is the enemy, period. They cleverly arose in a vacuum, and disperse at the first sign of military opposition that has its shit together.

Yeah, go out there and tell some US special ops his buddy's death, maybe at the hands of ISIS, was his own govt's doing.

Go do it you insulated fucks...I dare you. And see what happens. First rule in clandestine warfare; don't shit in your own mess tent.

SgtShaftoe

I was in the military, enlisted and officer corps. I lost a few of good friends from my unit in Iraq II. ISIS is absolutely a creation of CIA/DoD (at a distance, like planting seeds and watering them), just as so many other tragedies have the blood squarely on the hands of the same. I've seen it with my own eyes. Sorry dude, you're fucking wrong. When military people see shit they shouldn't have seen, they're either brought in, or they accidentally fall out of the sky. That's just the way it is.

Winston Smith 2009

"ISIS is the enemy, period."

Absolutely.

"They cleverly arose in a vacuum"

And what created that vacuum? The lack of the only thing, apparently, that can keep these religious fanatics absolutely infesting that area of the world in line: a dictator. Who foolishly removed the dictator in Iraq? These ignorant, arrogant assholes:

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In his book, "The End of Iraq: How American Incompetence Created A War Without End," Former Ambassador to Croatia Peter Galbraith, the son of the late economist John Kenneth Galbraith, claims that American leadership knew very little about the nature of Iraqi society and the problems it would face after the overthrow of Saddam Hussein.

A year after his "Axis of Evil" speech before the U.S. Congress, President Bush met with three Iraqi Americans, one of whom became postwar Iraq's first representative to the United States. The three described what they thought would be the political situation after the fall of Saddam Hussein. During their conversation with the President, Galbraith claims, it became apparent to them that Bush was unfamiliar with the distinction between Sunnis and Shiites.

Galbraith reports that the three of them spent some time explaining to Bush that there are two different sects in Islam--to which the President allegedly responded, "I thought the Iraqis were Muslims!"

"From the president and the vice president down through the neoconservatives at the Pentagon, there was a belief that Iraq was a blank slate on which the United States could impose its vision of a pluralistic democratic society," said Galbraith. "The arrogance came in the form of a belief that this could be accomplished with minimal effort and planning by the United States and that it was not important to know something about Iraq."

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"Yeah, go out there and tell some US special ops his buddy's death, maybe at the hands of ISIS, was his own govt's doing."

Only indirectly, but the astoundingly arrogant stupidity at the highest levels of his government unnecessarily caused the conditions that led to it. It was and is their absolutely clueless meddling that is the problem.

And don't get the idea that I'm a pacifist. Far from it. Geopolitical gaming including the use of military force has been and always will be the way the world works. There's nothing I or anyone else can do or ever will be able to do about that. Since that is the case, I want the "coaches" of my "team" to be smart. They aren't.

They're f'ing bumbling idiots!

Dre4dwolf

I would agree it is in bad taste to go tell someone who is active military that they are fighting an enemy their own govt created.

But

When something is hard to say, a lot of times its just the truth.

Now if the people listening aren't open minded to the possibility, well . . . there exists the potential to get decked in the face by a marine.

Also, ISIS is not a direct branch of U.S. forces, its a group the U.S. funded, created to perpetuate a war so that the U.S. can spill into borders outside of current combat zones .... the scenario is sorta like well ..."O I know we attacked Iraq, but there is this new boogieman and he is called Isis and BTW hes living in your garage so I have to invade your land now... "and so on and on new invasion one after the other into new areas all blamed on the spread of isis ISIS IS HERE, WE NEED TO INVADE, ISIS IS THERE WE NEED TO INVADE,

ISIS IS EVERYWHERE ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO U.S.

Thats probably what the strategy was, and it failed horribly when Russia exposed the hypocrisy when it directly decided to engage and terminate the ISIS group , it revealed that the U.S. has no intention of squelching ISIS, and now you have proof that the U.S. govt is just para-dropping weapons in random locations all around the middle east..... they dont even care who gets the weapons, they just want a bunch of pissed off people armed to the teeth . . .

The greatest hypocrisy of all is the fact that while the U.S. govt is dropping weapons all over the place (its a weapons free-for-all bonanza ) right now, they are pushing Gun Control and Confiscation here at home....

What does that say about your govt? when it is actively caught red handed arming terrorists, while pushing gun confiscation domestically ??? lol its not that far of a stretch to connect the dots... cmon

SuperRay

Salah you sure are righteous. Like you've been in the deep shit. Maybe we should call you four leaf instead. What do you think?

Bullshitting a soldier who's risking his life for what he thinks is a noble cause, is unconscionable. You're saying - trust your leaders, they know best. I say, what planet on you on, you fucking moron? The neocon assholes who are guiding, or mis-guiding, policy in the middle east should be lined up and shot for treason. Why is Russia destroying ISIS at blistering speed? Because they want to destroy it. We could've done the same thing, but is we destroyed ISIS and 'won' the battle against terrorism, the defense contractors might not make tons of money this year. We always need an enemy. Get It? We've always been at war with Eurasia? There's no money for the Pentagon without war, so we have to always have an enemy. Duh

datura

I feel awful that Russia is now almost alone in this enormous fight:-(....We in the West won't help them. It feels like WWII again and Russians will have to bear the grunt alone again. Westerners don't seem to change. We are practically good for nothing cowards. Sorry to say, but it is so. And we even dare to judge them in any way??? We dare to judge their leader or their level of democracy? It just makes me sick.

These is how Russian ladies, who fought in WWII, looked like. These seemingly fragile creatures...more valiant than Western men at those times. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kraFEWO7Z44

Dre4dwolf

They aren't alone, the U.S. is leaving care packages full of weapons and supplies all over the middle east for Russia to discover. Its like an easter egg hunt, except there is no easter because your in a Muslim shit-hole, and.... there are no bunnies, just pissed of Jihadis who want to shoot you.

Better find the eggs before they do.

Mike Masr

And the US regime change in Ukraine resurrected Frankensteins' monster Nazism!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJQW_0utHKY

The Indelicate ...

ISIS meaning CIA/Mossad.

http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=western_support_for_islam...

I think the world is beginning to understand that the anglo-Zionist Banking and Warfare Empire can not be reasoned with.

[Oct 12, 2015] The Tragic Ending To Obama's Bay Of Pigs: CIA Hands Over Syria To Russia

One week ago, when summarizing the current state of play in Syria, we said that for Obama, "this is shaping up to be the most spectacular US foreign policy debacle since Vietnam." Yesterday, in tacit confirmation of this assessment, the Obama administration threw in the towel on one of the most contentious programs it has implemented in "fighting ISIS", when the Defense Department announced it was abandoning the goal of a U.S.-trained Syrian force.

But this, so far, partial admission of failure only takes care of one part of Obama's problem: there is the question of the "other" rebels supported by the US, those who are not part of the officially-disclosed public program with the fake goal of fighting ISIS; we are talking, of course, about the nearly 10,000 CIA-supported "other rebels", or technically mercenaries, whose only task is to take down Assad.

The same "rebels" whose fate the AP profiles today when it writes that the CIA began a covert operation in 2013 to arm, fund and train a moderate opposition to Assad. Over that time, the CIA has trained an estimated 10,000 fighters, although the number still fighting with so-called moderate forces is unclear.

The effort was separate from the one run by the military, which trained militants willing to promise to take on IS exclusively. That program was widely considered a failure, and on Friday, the Defense Department announced it was abandoning the goal of a U.S.-trained Syrian force, instead opting to equip established groups to fight IS.

It is this effort, too, that in the span of just one month Vladimir Putin has managed to render utterly useless, as it is officially "off the books" and thus the US can't formally support these thousands of "rebel-fighters" whose only real task was to repeat the "success" of Ukraine and overthrow Syria's legitimate president: something which runs counter to the US image of a dignified democracy not still resorting to 1960s tactics of government overthrow. That, and coupled with Russia and Iran set to take strategic control of Syria in the coming months, the US simply has no toehold any more in the critical mid-eastern nation.

And so another sad chapter in the CIA's book of failed government overthrows comes to a close, leaving the "rebels" that the CIA had supported for years, to fend for themselves.

From AP:

CIA-backed rebels in Syria, who had begun to put serious pressure on President Bashar Assad's forces, are now under Russian bombardment with little prospect of rescue by their American patrons, U.S. officials say.

Over the past week, Russia has directed parts of its air campaign against U.S.-funded groups and other moderate opposition in a concerted effort to weaken them, the officials say. The Obama administration has few options to defend those it had secretly armed and trained.

The Russians "know their targets, and they have a sophisticated capacity to understand the battlefield situation," said Rep. Mike Pompeo, R-Kan., who serves on the House Intelligence Committee and was careful not to confirm a classified program. "They are bombing in locations that are not connected to the Islamic State" group.

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Incidentally, this is just the beginning. Now that the U.S. has begun its pivot out of the middle-east, handing it over to Putin as Russia's latest sphere of influence on a silver platter, there will be staggering consequences for middle-east geopolitics. In out preview of things to come last week, we concluded by laying these out; we will do the same again:

The US, in conjunction with Saudi Arabia and Qatar, attempted to train and support Sunni extremists to overthrow the Assad regime. Some of those Sunni extremists ended up going crazy and declaring a Medeival caliphate putting the Pentagon and Langley in the hilarious position of being forced to classify al-Qaeda as "moderate." The situation spun out of control leading to hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths and when Washington finally decided to try and find real "moderates" to help contain the Frankenstein monster the CIA had created in ISIS (there were of course numerous other CIA efforts to arm and train anti-Assad fighters, see below for the fate of the most "successful" of those groups), the effort ended up being a complete embarrassment that culminated with the admission that only "four or five" remained and just days after that admission, those "four or five" were car jacked by al-Qaeda in what was perhaps the most under-reported piece of foreign policy comedy in history.

Meanwhile, Iran sensed an epic opportunity to capitalize on Washington's incompetence. Tehran then sent its most powerful general to Russia where a pitch was made to upend the Mid-East balance of power. The Kremlin loved the idea because after all, Moscow is stinging from Western economic sanctions and Vladimir Putin is keen on showing the West that, in the wake of the controversy surrounding the annexation of Crimea and the conflict in eastern Ukraine, Russia isn't set to back down. Thanks to the fact that the US chose extremists as its weapon of choice in Syria, Russia gets to frame its involvement as a "war on terror" and thanks to Russia's involvement, Iran gets to safely broadcast its military support for Assad just weeks after the nuclear deal was struck. Now, Russian airstrikes have debilitated the only group of CIA-backed fighters that had actually proven to be somewhat effective and Iran and Hezbollah are preparing a massive ground invasion under cover of Russian air support. Worse still, the entire on-the-ground effort is being coordinated by the Iranian general who is public enemy number one in Western intelligence circles and he's effectively operating at the behest of Putin, the man that Western media paints as the most dangerous person on the planet.

As incompetent as the US has proven to be throughout the entire debacle, it's still difficult to imagine that Washington, Riyadh, London, Doha, and Jerusalem are going to take this laying down and on that note, we close with our assessment from Thursday: "If Russia ends up bolstering Iran's position in Syria (by expanding Hezbollah's influence and capabilities) and if the Russian air force effectively takes control of Iraq thus allowing Iran to exert a greater influence over the government in Baghdad, the fragile balance of power that has existed in the region will be turned on its head and in the event this plays out, one should not expect Washington, Riyadh, Jerusalem, and London to simply go gentle into that good night."

Which is not to say that the latest US failure to overthrow a mid-east government was a total failure. As Joshua Landis, a Syria expert at the University of Oklahoma says "probably 60 to 80 percent of the arms that America shoveled in have gone to al-Qaida and its affiliates."

Which is at least great news for the military-industrial complex. It means more "terrorist attacks" on U.S. "friends and allies", and perhaps even on U.S. soil - all courtesy of the US government supplying the weapons - are imminent.

BlueViolet

It's not a fiasco. It's a success. AlQaeda/ISIS created by Israel and financed by US.

Stackers

Never forget the first chapter of this story happened in 2011 Benghazi Libya when the Turkey brokered arms deal went bad, Obama admin abandoned them and one CIA op posing as an ambasador and his security detail were killed.

This thing has been a shit show from day one and involves scandal after scandal

The Indelicate ...

Video: Israeli forces open fire on Palestinian demonstrators in Gaza killing seven

http://mondoweiss.net/2015/10/israeli-palestinian-demonstrators

Paveway IV

There is no such thing as 10,000 CIA 'rebels' - that's only their on-line name.

There is a 10,000-man CIA assassination team or better still - mafia hit squad - in Syria. They're not rebels, they're not terrorists, they're not even mercs. They are paid criminal assassins, nothing more. My country hired them, so my country is guilty of racketeering and assassination. There are no degrees of separation here - the U.S. is directly responsible. Since the acts were perpetrated by people who are also violating the Constitution of the U.S., they are criminals and traitors.

We should do something about them... right after this season of Keeping Up With The Kardashians.

WTFRLY

White House still ignores murder of American reporter Serena Shim who filmed western aid to ISIS February 27, 2015

1 year almost since her death. Today would have been her 30th birthday.

SWRichmond

You and I (and perhaps others) wonder how 10,000 "moderate rebels" were vetted before being trained and equipped. I am guessing an interview with some commander-wannabee, who said "yes I am a moderate" and then CIA said "awesome, here's $500,000,000.00 and a boatload of sophisticated weapons. Go hire and train some more moderates." Or maybe CIA just asked McCain and took his word for it.

...but few believe the U.S. can protect its secret rebel allies

Some secret...

This kind of shit is what you get when the deep state breathes its own fumes.

Lore

Exactly. American hands are drenched in blood. It's not enough just to withdraw from Syria and leave a bunch of mercs and "assets" to burn, and it's not enough to go after the individuals behind specific atrocities like 911, the bombing of the hospital, or the weddings, or Abu Ghraib, or Benghazi, or, or... Nothing will be fixed or resolved until those responsible for drafting, approving and implementing the pathological policy behind all the loss of life over the past decade are prosecuted and brought to justice. Unless and until that happens, America has abandoned its moral foundation and is doomed as a nation. It's just a practical observation.

geno-econ

Neocons went a step too far with their marauder agenda in Ukraine and Syria. Now they have been silenced by Putin with a show of force exposing US weakness. Both Bush and Obama showed weakness in not controllling Neocon influence in Wash. and is now reflectrd in political party turmoil. EU should rejoice because US policy in Syria caused refugee problem which will subside with end of civil war in Syria. Kiev government now also realizes US will not support real confrontation with Russia and Russia will not give up Crimea. Neocon experiment in achieving growth through regime change has been a total failure and huge drain on US economy.

greenskeeper carl

I agree 100%. What I'm dreading is listening to all the republitards in the next debate trying to one up each other on the war mongering. The problem with 'let Russia have it' is that it will be talked about by the right as though that's a bad thing. It will be spun as an Obama fuck uo(which it is) not because of the simple fact that it was never any of our business in the first place. To them, EVERYTHING is our business, and they will be spending the next few weeks talking tough about how they will stand up to Putin.

RockyRacoon

You got it right, Carl. If they want to see Russia get its butt kicked, give them Syria, and Afghanistan, and Iraq and all the other crappy countries that the U. S. has managed to destabilize. Wish the Russians luck in putting that all back together. Better yet, encourage them to annex the whole shootin' match into the Russian alliance!

Hey, wait.... could this have been the long term plan all along? Hmmm.... Maybe them thar neocons are smarter than they look. Nah, never mind.

sp0rkovite

The article implies the CIA "lost" Syria. When did it ever "win" it? Total political propaganda.

datura

There are some risks, yes, dead Iranian general, perhaps soon some dead Russian soldiers. But unlike the USA, Iran is fighting for its existence here. They know if Syria falls, they could be next. As for Russia, it is very similar. As one expert said: "When the USA looks at Syria, they see pipelines, profit from weapons, money and power." But the first thing Putin sees, when looking at Syria, is Chechnya. Syria is very close to Russia, but very far from the USA. And that is a huge difference.

For example, yesterday, some ISIS fighters were arrested in Chechnya. Luckily, FSB discovered them before they could do some harm. Not even talking about those ISIS fighters, who came to Ukraine, to fight against the pro-Russian rebels!!! You can see, how close and how important is this to Russia and why Russia cannot give up here and has to go to all the extremes. Including the parked nuclear submarine near Syria.

I could say to the US lunatics: you shouldn't have kept poking the bear. You shouldn't have supported terrorists in Chechnya. You should have left Ukraine to Russia. As Putin said very clearly in Valdai: "Russia does not intend to take an active role in thwarting those who are still attempting to construct their New World Order-until their efforts start to impinge on Russia's key interests. Russia would prefer to stand by and watch them give themselves as many lumps as their poor heads can take. But those who manage to drag Russia into this process, through disregard for her interests, will be taught the true meaning of pain."


Bring the Gold

Do you have a link for that Putin statement?

JohninMK

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valdai_speech_of_Vladimir_Putin

agent default

House of Saud better be careful, because once Syria is taken care of, they will pay dearly for arming ISIS. If Russia wins in the ME Qatar and SA are up for regime change and the US cannot stop it.

Neil Patrick Harris

no no no. It's a about Israel seizing legal authority to drill for oil and nat gas in the Golan Heights/Southern Syria. The plan was to arm ISIS, help ISIS defeat Assad, let ISIS be terrible ISIS who will then threaten Israel, giving the Israelis a perfect excuse to invade Syria, defeat ISIS and look like a hero, then build a pipeline through Turkey, right in to Europe.

But thankfully Putin cockblocked those racist Zionists, and he is going to get all the oil and gas for himself. Poor ol' Bibi gets nothing. Checkmate.

Freddie


http://www.moonofalabama.org/

Moon of Alabama web site is saying the See Eye Aye and Pentagram are not giving up. If anything, they plan on ramping it up. How many more civilians do they want to kill? Sickening.

ThirdWorldDude

This shitshow is far from over. It might be just a coy in their efforts to improvise another Afghanistan.

"Saudi Arabia is ramping up its supplies of lethal weaponry to three different rebel groups in Syria in response to the Russian airstrikes on Syrian rebels, British media reported, citing a Saudi government official in Riyadh. He did not rule out supplying surface-to-air missiles to the rebels..."

techpreist

Given our military spending I think we actually could win an all-out war. We have enough nukes to glass the planet a dozen times after all.

However, bullies don't want to fight with someone who could actually fight back, and who could change the wars from this abstract thing that "creates jobs" and only hurts a few Americans (10k Americans = 0.003% of the population), to something that people actually might not want.

viahj

if this is framed as an Obama failure in foreign policy (it will) in the upcoming US political Presidential selection, the candidates will all be falling over themselves to come to the aide of our "ME Allies" to restore order. there will be a push to re-escalate US involvement in the ME especially with the pressure of Israel over their owned US politicians. a US retreat in the short term while fortunate for the American people, will not stand. the warmongers will be posturing themselves as to which will be the loudest in calling for re-engagement.

[Oct 11, 2015] Russia's Move In Syria Threatens Energy Deals With Turkey

In 2014, Gazprom delivered 27.3 billion cubic meters (bcm) of gas to Turkey via its Blue Stream and Trans-Balkan pipelines. Gas exports from Russia are up some 34 percent since 2010, and Turkey – now Russia's second largest market after Germany – is only getting hungrier. By 2030, gas demand in Turkey is expected to expand 30 percent, reaching 70 bcm per year.

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With European demand projected to grow by just over 1 bcm per year in the same period, Russia's South Stream pipeline proposal was as misguided as it was non-compliant with the EU's Third Energy Package. Routed through Turkey however, Russia's newest pipeline, TurkStream, promised to add greater utility. Turkey gets its gas and partly fulfills its transit aspirations; Russia bypasses Ukraine while opening windows to Europe and the Middle East; and Europe, if it wants it, will have gas on demand.

It sounds good – okay, at least – but as so often happens in Russia, the tale has taken a turn for the worse. TurkStream has stumbled out of the gates and larger happenings in Syria look to significantly damage Russia-Turkey relations.

Originally intended as a four-pipe 63-bcm project, TurkStream will now top out at 32 bcm, if it gets off the ground at all. As it stands, the parties have agreed to draft the text of an intergovernmental agreement, with a targeted signing date of early next year, following Turkey's general election. And that's it.

[Oct 11, 2015] Series of small earthquakes hit near Oklahoma crude oil storage hub

The US Geological Survey (USGS) reported that nine quakes ranging in magnitude from 2.5 to 3.7 were recorded between 5.07pm on Saturday and 5.27am on Sunday. No injuries or damage were reported. Geologists say damage is not likely in quakes below magnitude 4.0.

The latest seismic activity came after a 4.5 magnitude temblor on Saturday afternoon near Cushing and a 4.4 magnitude quake on Saturday morning south-west of Medford.

The Oklahoma Geological Survey has said it is likely that many recent earthquakes in the state have been triggered by the injection of wastewater from oil and natural gas drilling operations.

Cushing is home to the world's most important crude oil storage hub, which is used to settle futures contracts traded on the New York Mercantile Exchange.

Cushing emergency management director Bob Noltensmeyer said on Sunday that no significant damage was found at the oil facility, only "shattered nerves".


Orwell2015 11 Oct 2015 19:50

Oh the irony of it all, which sadly will be lost on most.

[Oct 11, 2015] Russian maker of missile that destroyed MH17 to explain disaster

ARTEMIVSK, Ukraine - How do you prove you didn't blow up a plane? In Russia, you blow up a plane.

A Russian missile manufacturer said Friday that it had exploded a missile beneath a decommissioned Boeing airliner similar to that of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, shot out of the sky over eastern Ukraine last year, proving the passenger jet was not downed by one of its missiles.

"The company will present the results of a real-time simulation of a Buk missile hitting a passenger jet which we hope will help us understand what exactly caused the July 17, 2014 crash of the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 in Ukraine's Donetsk region," Almaz-Antey said in a statement.

The company did not say when the experiment took place or how it was conducted, and it did not immediately reply to Mashable's request for comment. Its report will be released on Tuesday, Oct. 13, the same day a joint international investigation led by the Dutch Safety Board will release its full report into the causes of the downing.

At a press conference in Moscow in June, Almaz-Antey said it was prepared to carry out such an experiment to prove MH17 was downed by an older version of their missile that isn't in service with the Russian military, but is in Ukraine's arsenal.

Company officials at the time did not say whether the aircraft would be in flight during the experiment.

MH17 was downed over the village of Hrabovo, eastern Ukraine while en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpa on July 17, 2014. All 298 passengers and crew on board the jetliner were killed and their remains scattered over the battlefields in war-torn Donetsk region.

Western governments and Kiev have accused Russian-backed separatists of shooting down the passenger jet, mistaking it for a Ukrainian military aircraft, with a Buk SA-11 missile provided by Moscow. Their accusations are supported by preliminary evidence gathered by open source sleuths Bellingcat, as well as investigators and Mashable's own investigation.

On Wednesday, Vasyl Vovk, a senior officer of the Ukrainian Security Service (SBU) who has been involved in the investigation into the downing, told Dutch news site NOS that the fragments found in the aircraft wreckage and in victims' bodies matched pieces from two Buk missiles that investigators examined for comparison.

The Kremlin and separatist leaders have blamed Kiev for the disaster, insisting it was downed either by a Ukrainian Buk missile or a government jet fighter.

While the Dutch report due next week will shine a light on what caused the plane to crash and burn, it will not lay blame.

A separate criminal investigation headed by Dutch detectives and involving investigators from Australia, Belgium, Malaysia and Ukraine is still pending.

Attempts by the United Nations Security Council to create a tribunal to prosecute those responsible for the crime was vetoed by Russia, a permanent member of the council, in July. Moscow has called the move "premature" and decried the Dutch-led investigation as biased.

[Oct 10, 2015] Obama Launches A Proxy War On Russia In Syria

www.moonofalabama.org
But instead of building on that agreement and of further working with the Russians, the U.S. is now slipping into a full war by proxy against the Russian Federation and especially with its contingent in Syria. Obama had claimed that he would not get drawn into a proxy war with Russia in Syria but his administration, the Pentagon and the CIA, is now doing all it can to create one. The Russian support for Syria is not limited. With the U.S. administration now moving into a position where war on Russia in Syria becomes the priority the fighting in and around Syria will continue for a long time.

The official Pentagon program to train Syrian insurgents will cease to vet, train, arm and support those mercenaries. But the program will not end. The Pentagon will simply shorten the process. It skips the vetting and training part and will arm and support anyone who proclaims to want to "fight ISIS":

The move marks an expansion of U.S. involvement in Syria's protracted ground war and could expose the Obama administration to greater risks if weapons provided to a wider array of rebel units go astray, or if U.S.-backed fighters come under attack from forces loyal to Assad and his allies.
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Under the new plan, leaders of groups already battling the Islamic State undergo vetting and receive a crash course in human rights and combat communications. Many of them have already received that training outside Syria, officials said.

Eventually the Pentagon plans to provide ammunition and basic weapons to those leaders' fighters and would carry out airstrikes on targets identified by those units.

We know how well things go when some rogue proxies identify targets they want the U.S. air force to hit. The destroyed MSF hospital in Kunduz and the 50 something killed in the U.S. attack on it, on request of Afghan special forces, tell the story.

Significant military aid to those fighters, in an area where Islamist extremist groups are mixed with and often fighting beside moderate opposition rebels, would mark a departure from previous U.S. policy. A senior administration official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the matter, declined to give specifics on any new aid that might arrive in northwest Syria. But the official said that "these supplies will be delivered to anti-ISIL forces whose leaders were appropriately vetted," and described them as "groups with diverse membership."

That would be these diverse groups which all include al-Nusra/al-Qaeda, Ahrar al Shams and other Jihadis. Even if not directly given to them the fact that al-Qaeda demands a "toll" of 1/3 of all weapons going through its controls, and sometimes takes all, shows that this program is effectively a direct, though unacknowledged, armament program for al-Qaeda.

The new program is separate from a CIA-led effort to aid rebel factions in Syria. It was not immediately clear how Friday's announcement might affect the CIA program.

The CIA runs a similar but much bigger program since 2012. Weapons are handed out to everyone who wants to take down the Syrian government. Most of those weapons have landed in the hands of the Islamic State or al-Qaeda.

Indeed it is the CIA, under its torture justifying chief Brennan, which has pushed the Obama administration away from Kerry's conceding statement and into a full blown proxy war with Russia.

Russia bombed some of the CIA'S trained, armed and paid groups. It had earlier asked the U.S. to tell it who not to bomb but didn't receive an answer. As the CIA mercenaries are fighting against the Syrian government and are practically not distinguishable from al-Qaeda, ISI or other terrorists they are a legitimate targets. But not in the eyes of the CIA which nevertheless finds Russian attacks on them useful:

Reports indicate that CIA-trained groups have sustained a small number of casualties and have been urged to avoid moves that would expose them to Russian aircraft. One U.S. official who is familiar with the CIA program - and who like other officials spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence matters - said the attacks have galvanized some of the agency-equipped units. "Now they get to fight the Russians," the official said. "This improves morale."
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Brennan departed for the Middle East last week as the Russian strikes intensified. U.S. officials said that the trip was previously planned and not related to the bombings but acknowledged that his discussions centered on Syria.

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The decision to dismantle the Pentagon's training program - whose small teams of fighters were often quickly captured or surrendered their weapons to rival rebel groups in Syria - may force Obama to weigh ramping up support to the CIA-backed groups.

U.S. officials said those involved in the agency program are already exploring options that include sending in rocket systems and other weapons that could enable rebels to strike Russian bases without sending in surface-to-air missiles that terrorist groups could use to target civilian aircraft.

The person who told the Saudis to deliver 500 TOW missiles to Syria ASAP was likely CIA chief Brennan. He also ordered to plan for attacks on the Russian base.

So instead of a calming down and cooperation with Russia to fight the Islamic State the Pentagon was told to shorten its program and to hand out weapons to everyone who asks. The CIA is feeding more weapons to its mercenaries via its Gulf proxies and is planning for direct attacks on Russians.

The war on Syria, and now also on Russia, is unlikely to end in the near future. With the U.S. throwing more oil into the fire the war will burn not only in Syria but in every other country around it.

Two suicide bombers blew themselves up today at a rally of the Kurd friendly HDP party in Ankara. Some 90 people were killed and some 200 wounded. This is the biggest terrorist attack modern Turkey has ever seen. The Turkish government disconnected the country from Twitter and forbid any reporting about the terror attack. The HDP party is leftist and supports a peaceful struggle for Kurdish autonomy. The militant Kurdish PKK in Turkey is currently fighting skirmishes with Turkish security forces in the east of the country. It has now announced that it will stop all attacks unless when it is attacked first. The sister organization of the PKK in Syria, the YPK, is currently fighting against the Islamic State. Erdogan's AK-Party and his government have supported the Islamic State and al-Qaeda in Syria. It sees the HDP party and the Kurds in general as its enemies. As one Turkish non-AKP politician said today, the bloody incident in Ankara was either a total Turkish intelligence failure or a Turkish intelligence operation.

Whatever else it was, the bombing, very likely by Islamic State suicide bombers, is a sign of an ongoing destabilization of Turkey. The instability will increase further until there is a major policy change and a complete crackdown on any support for the Jihadis in Syria as well as a complete closure of the Turkish-Syrian border.

Today the Russian President Putin will meet the Saudi "young leader" deputy crown-prince Mohammed Salman-un. Can Putin read him the riot act and tell him to stop being a proxy in the U.S. war on Syria? One hopes so.

[Oct 10, 2015] US oil production would stall this month and begin to decline from early next year

U.S. shale oil needs $80 to grow
"... U.S. oil production growth will stop this month and begin to decline early next year due to low oil prices, the former head of oil firm EOG Resources, Mark Papa, said on Tuesday. ..."
"... He said the main reason for the decline would be the lack of bank financing for new shale developments. ..."
"... If U.S. light crude oil prices went back up to $75 a barrel, Papa said U.S. oil production would resume growth at around 500,000 bpd – or around half the record growth rates observed in the past few years. ..."
"... In its Short-Term Energy Outlook the EIA revised higher estimates of US oil production: by 62 kb/d on average for the second half of 2015, by 49 kb/d for 1H16 and by 22 kb/d for 2H16. I think this largely reflects the revision of its historical estimate for July. ..."
"... Of course, at an overall decline rate of 10%/year from existing production, operators need to put on line close to 1.0 million bpd of new C+C production per year, just to offset declines from existing wells. At a probably more realistic decline rate of about 15%/year from existing production, they would need to put on line about 1.5 million bpd of new C+C production per year, just to offset declines from existing wells (at current production levels). ..."
"... We see (U.S. oil production declines) continuing into next summer. ..."
"... About two weeks ago, as reported in the Daily Oklahoman, Harold Hamm (Continental Resources) said that by May of 2016, US production decline would be so significant and obvious that the crises would be over ..."
"... I wonder if Dennis might have been technically wrong, but actually fundamentally correct, about an oil price bottom in January, when Brent averaged $48. Brent averaged $47 in August, and probably about the same in September, and its currently trading at about $53 this morning. It seems to me that the bottom line is that monthly lows so far in his cycle have been in the high 40s. ..."
"... Incidentally, I had forgotten how rapid the run-up was in oil prices from 2007 to 2008. From June, 2007 to June, 2008, monthly WTI prices exactly doubled (hitting $134 in June, 2008), and Brent almost doubled (hitting $132 in June, 2008). Brent then fell to a monthly low of $40 in that price decline, in December, 2008. ..."
"... Do you think your numbers show that improvements in drilling efficiency have finally reached a limit? ..."
"... Enno. Saw you comment on the Seeking Alpha article re: CLR. Am I correct that a massive write down is coming for CLR at year end, and thus a massive loss in earnings? ..."
"... I think John Keller and Blaine brought up that banks are not on the hook for most of the debt, but unsecured bonds make up the bulk of it. It is odd, however, to see banks eager to loan funds to LTO companies who could possibly default on unsecured debt and who are insolvent, on paper, at least. ..."
"... Why do unsecured bond holders just take a bath and take no action? It would seem to me that upon default, the unsecured bond holders could obtain a judgment against the defaulting company and lien the assets. Seems this might be some leverage to get some money out of the defaulting company/first lien banks, who probably do not want to go through the foreclosure process? ..."
"... As mentioned before, my guess is that improvements in early production levels are temporary and technological – adding more sand to the frack, fiddling the engineering/choke – to improve IP, and thus asset bases and the potential size of loans, at the expense of ultimate recovery. Companies that need to do this far outnumber the genuine oil companies that merely try to extract oil for a lower price than they sell it for, and comprise at least two of the three top producers. ..."
Oct 10, 2015 | peakoilbarrel.com
U.S. shale oil needs $80 to grow

U.S. oil production growth will stop this month and begin to decline early next year due to low oil prices, the former head of oil firm EOG Resources, Mark Papa, said on Tuesday.

Papa, now a partner at U.S. energy investment firm Riverstone Holdings LLC, told an industry conference in London that the U.S. shale oil industry needed oil prices of at least $80 a barrel to resume production growth.

"We are about to see a pretty dramatic decline in U.S. production growth," said Papa, who was a key figure helping to spur the U.S. shale oil boom when he was at EOG Resources.

U.S. oil production has been growing by around 1 million barrels per day (bpd) year-on-year since mid 2012, thanks to the introduction of new drilling techniques that have released oil and gas from shale formations. But output in North America has started to slow in recent months as prices have fallen sharply.

Papa said U.S. oil production would stall this month and begin to decline from early next year. He said the main reason for the decline would be the lack of bank financing for new shale developments.

If U.S. light crude oil prices went back up to $75 a barrel, Papa said U.S. oil production would resume growth at around 500,000 bpd – or around half the record growth rates observed in the past few years.

AlexS, 10/07/2015 at 9:16 am

In its Short-Term Energy Outlook the EIA revised higher estimates of US oil production: by 62 kb/d on average for the second half of 2015, by 49 kb/d for 1H16 and by 22 kb/d for 2H16. I think this largely reflects the revision of its historical estimate for July.

From the report:

"Based on the latest survey-based reporting of monthly crude oil production estimates, U.S. production averaged 9.4 million b/d in the first half of 2015. This level is 0.2 million b/d higher than the average production during the fourth quarter of 2014, despite a more than 60% decline in the total U.S. oil-directed rig count since October 2014. However, crude oil production started to decrease in the second quarter of 2015, beginning with Lower 48 onshore production in April. Although the Lower 48 onshore decline was offset by production gains in the Gulf of Mexico that kept total production growth positive in April, total U.S. production began declining in May.

EIA expects U.S. crude oil production declines generally to continue through August 2016, when total production is forecast to average 8.7 million b/d. Forecast production begins rising in late 2016, returning to an average of 9.0 million b/d in the fourth quarter. A total of 12 projects are scheduled to come online in the Gulf of Mexico in 2015 and 2016, pushing up production from an average of 1.4 million b/d in the fourth quarter of 2014 to more than 1.6 million b/d in the fourth quarter of 2016.

Expected crude oil production declines from May 2015 through mid-2016 are largely attributable to unattractive economic returns in some areas of both emerging and mature onshore oil production regions, as well as seasonal factors such as anticipated hurricane-related production disruptions in the Gulf of Mexico. Reductions in 2015 cash flows and capital expenditures have prompted companies to defer or redirect investment away from marginal exploration and research drilling to focus on core areas of major tight oil plays. Reduced investment has resulted in the lowest count of oil-directed rigs in about five years and in well completions that are significantly behind 2014 levels.

Oil prices, particularly in the second quarter of 2015, remained high enough to support continued development drilling in the core areas within the Bakken, Eagle Ford, Niobrara, and Permian formations, with July and August showing the first consecutive month-to-month increases in the oil-directed rig count since September and October 2014. However, WTI prices below $60/b through the forecast period are anticipated to limit onshore drilling activity and well completion totals, despite continued increases in rig and well productivity and falling drilling and completion costs. The forecast remains sensitive to actual wellhead prices and rapidly changing drilling economics that vary across regions and operators.

While projected oil production in the Gulf of Mexico rises during the forecast period, oil production in Alaska falls. Production in these areas is less sensitive to short-term price movements than onshore production in the Lower 48 states and reflects anticipated growth from new projects in the Gulf of Mexico and declines from legacy fields in Alaska."

Jeffrey J. Brown, 10/06/2015 at 9:35 am
Of course, at an overall decline rate of 10%/year from existing production, operators need to put on line close to 1.0 million bpd of new C+C production per year, just to offset declines from existing wells. At a probably more realistic decline rate of about 15%/year from existing production, they would need to put on line about 1.5 million bpd of new C+C production per year, just to offset declines from existing wells (at current production levels).
Greenbub, 10/06/2015 at 11:59 am

If we returned to $80/barrel (and that could happen pretty easily if the dollar fell or other causes), that would mean we would have over 11 million bpd in four years. When would peak oil happen in that case?

Jeffrey J. Brown, 10/06/2015 at 12:58 pm

At the 1965 to 1970 rate of increase in US C+C production, the US would have been producing about 73 million bpd in 2015:

http://www.eia.gov/totalenergy/data/monthly/pdf/sec3_3.pdf

AlexS, 10/06/2015 at 1:14 pm

U.S. oil output on brink of 'dramatic' decline, executive says

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/06/us-oil-outlook-usa-idUSKCN0S021Y20151006

Delegates at the Oil and Money conference in London, an annual gathering of senior industry officials, said world oil prices were now too low to support U.S. shale oil output, the biggest addition to world production over the last decade.

"We are about to see a pretty dramatic decline in U.S. production growth," the former head of oil firm EOG Resources Mark Papa, told the conference.

The chief executive of Royal Dutch Shell Plc agreed, saying U.S. oil producers would struggle to refinance while prices remained so low, leading to lower output in future.

"Producers are now looking for new cash to survive and they will probably struggle to get it," Ben van Beurden said.

Longer term, there was a risk that low levels of global production could bring a spike in oil prices, he said.

If prices remained low for a long time and oil production outside OPEC and the United States declined due to capital expenditure cuts, there was not likely to be any significant spare capacity left in the system, he said.

"This could cause prices to spike upwards, starting a new cycle of strong production growth in U.S. shale oil and subsequent volatility," van Beurden said.
Adam Sieminski, administrator at the U.S. Energy Information Administration, told reporters on the sidelines of the conference the U.S. oil industry had reacted to lower prices by improving its productivity.

But this process could not continue forever.

"Now we are seeing the limits at least in the near term and it is beginning to impact production," Sieminski said. "We see (U.S. oil production declines) continuing into next summer."

Clueless, 10/06/2015 at 4:06 pm
About two weeks ago, as reported in the Daily Oklahoman, Harold Hamm (Continental Resources) said that by May of 2016, US production decline would be so significant and obvious that the crises would be over [paraphrasing].
Steve, 10/06/2015 at 9:33 am
Utica showing signs of age? From an anti-fracing org, but more importantly, is the data valid?

The Curious Case of the Shrinking Utica Shale Play
September 29, 2015

http://www.fractracker.org/2015/09/shrinking-utica-shale-play/

Ted Auch, 10/07/2015 at 12:13 pm
First I would just like to clarify that while FracTracker might seem like an "anti-fracing org" we believe that the pro/con labels are typical of debates in US (i.e., you are either with us unconditionally or against us!).

There is plenty of room in the middle and at the margins for sound research and mapping with respect to hydraulic fracturing and the broader hydrocarbon industrial complex with respect to land-use/land-cover (LULC), waste generation and transport, water use and watershed resilience, Energy Return On Energy Invested (EROEI), and potential threats to ecosystem services.

That said we are very interested in modeling the spread between Utica production expectations and reality.

  1. Herein we compiled a very robust data set of 1,100 Utica wells to construct this spacially explicit model using a technique called Empirical Bayesian Kriging.
  2. The data we have compiled speaks to Ohio's Utica wells experiencing 84% declines in oil and gas production on a per day basis from years 1 to 2. From that point forward oil and gas declines by 25% and 10%, respectively. Furthermore, the newer wells are experiencing more pronounced exponential declines in productivity.
  3. We aren't "set[ting] up a straw man premise" about production but simply showing that the Ohio DNR is woefully lagging behind in updating their constituents as to the realities of the Utica from an oil, gas, and brine perspective.
coffeeguyzz , 10/07/2015 at 9:58 pm
Mr. Auch

Straight up, if you honestly are unaware of the difference between flow back water and produced water, you may want to get an education right quick.
I checked the brine output for the three wells mentioned in the article, and found the 1,800 barrel was for TWO days after the well came online. The NEXT 91 days, this Chesapeake Trueshall well produced 170 bbl/d.

Exact same premise for the EM and Gulfport wells. (Gulfport's Bolton well is currently producing 15 barrels of water a day).

Anyone who remotely thinks the dry gas Utica is shrinking or diminishing in any way is simply uninformed.

Jeffrey J. Brown, 10/07/2015 at 5:30 am
I wonder if Dennis might have been technically wrong, but actually fundamentally correct, about an oil price bottom in January, when Brent averaged $48. Brent averaged $47 in August, and probably about the same in September, and it's currently trading at about $53 this morning. It seems to me that the bottom line is that monthly lows so far in his cycle have been in the high 40's.

Incidentally, I had forgotten how rapid the run-up was in oil prices from 2007 to 2008. From June, 2007 to June, 2008, monthly WTI prices exactly doubled (hitting $134 in June, 2008), and Brent almost doubled (hitting $132 in June, 2008). Brent then fell to a monthly low of $40 in that price decline, in December, 2008.

http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=RWTC&f=M

Dennis Coyne, 10/07/2015 at 1:45 pm
Hi Jeffrey,

I think I was just plain wrong on my guess at an oil price bottom in January.

I also was wrong about how fast LTO output would decline (I thought at under $50/b) the decline in LTO output would be much steeper and that the well completion and drilling rates would decrease much faster than has been the case.

If the LTO output had fallen as fast as I thought back in January, $48/b for Brent might have been the bottom. I have no clue what will happen going forward. Do you still expect oil prices might reach $65/b or higher by Jan 2016 (even with no OPEC cut)? Everything has moved much slower than I anticipated, certainly Steve Kopits forecast from Feb 2015 wasn't correct and I have not heard any new forecasts from him, what's your take, July 2016 oil prices reach $70/b?

robert wilson, 10/07/2015 at 3:51 am
Biography M. King Hubbert Available April 2016 http://www.oracleofoil.com
Enno Peters, 10/07/2015 at 5:47 am
Yesterday the NDIC released the latest update on the status of all wells in ND (no production numbers).

What I found most interesting is that a very low number of 66 wells were spudded in ND in September. The last time so few wells were spudded in ND was early 2010. This number may still be revised (I expect up to 10% higher), but it is much lower than the 121 wells spudded in August, and the 109 wells spudded in July. It also indicates that the trend of the rising number of spuds/rig/month has reversed, as shown in the chart below (latest data is for September).

A similar temporary rise in this 'drilling capacity factor" (wells spud/rig/month) was also visible during the 2009 downturn, as can be seen. I have no explanation for it.

So yes, drilling efficiency has increased over the last 4 years, from an average of 0.6 wells spud/rig/month, to recently almost 1.2 wells spud/rig/month, but it is still a far cry from 2, which Lynn Helms mentioned in a recent update.

I expect that this big drop in new wells spudded will show up as lower output, in a delayed response, somewhere mid/end next year, as the current fraclog is depleted slowly each month (meaning more wells are being brought online than drilled), as has been the case since December 2014.

AlexS, 10/07/2015 at 6:33 am
Thank you Enno, very interesting.

The average rig count in North Dakota in September was 67. If 66 wells were spudded, there is only 1 well spud/rig/month.

Do you think your numbers show that improvements in drilling efficiency have finally reached a limit? What is your estimate of the current fracklog in ND and what was its peak level this year?

Thanks again

Enno Peters, 10/07/2015 at 7:46 am
Alex,

"Do you think your numbers show that improvements in drilling efficiency have finally reached a limit?"

That appears to be the case based on the latest data. However, the last few months showed large fluctuations, so a few more months would be useful to come to a more firm conclusion.

"What is your estimate of the current fracklog in ND and what was its peak level this year?"

If I assume that 125 wells were brought online in August, and 115 in September (vs 136 in July), the below picture emerges.

I provide 2 measures for the fraclog:
1) Uncompleted well inventory: This is the well inventory counted from the start of spudding a well, and before first production. This is an accurate measure, as the data is available. It has been trending down since last November (1260), and could drop to about 940 by the end of September, based on the above assumption. It will never come close to 0, as there are always a few months between spudding a well and first production.

2) Estimated fraclog: This is the well inventory, counted from 5 months after spudding, and before first production. Historically, there used to be about 5 months (although this number has varied) in between these 2 activities, so I think this is a more reasonable estimate of the actual number of wells where completion is clearly being delayed. This number has been rising until June, as more wells spudded late last year past the 5 months waiting time, and I expect it to keep dropping since then. According to this measure the June peak was at 500 wells, and by the end of September dropped somewhat to 460. Now that the number of spudded wells has dropped significantly in September, I expect that this measure of the fraclog will start to drop more rapidly early next year, if a steady number of wells are completed.

I am quite curious of the quality of the wells in this fraclog. So far, despite high-grading, no improvement in well productivity has been seen in 2015, compared with 2014. This is somewhat surprising, but on the other hand it would make sense if operators typically have focused on their best areas in the past already. In the current price environment, I belief it is rational to expect that operators keep employing the same strategy, of bringing their best wells online first (except EOG, which is not bringing any wells online, some of which are known to be very good). If that is the case, the average well in the fraclog may be of lesser quality than the wells being brought online so far. For example, it could contain a greater ratio of Three Forks wells. This is just a theory, which may be revealed in the data in the coming year.

AlexS, 10/07/2015 at 8:35 am
Thank you Enno.

I think the best definition of the fracklog is "drilled but uncompleted wells" (DUC), but this information in unavailable. I agree that your "Estimated fraclog" better reflects the real trend than the "well inventory counted from the start of spudding a well, and before first production".

One question: how do you estimate the quality of the wells in this fraclog if these wells are not yet producing?

Enno Peters, 10/07/2015 at 8:46 am
"One question: how do you estimate the quality of the wells in this fraclog if these wells are not yet producing?"

I have no information on the quality of the wells in the fraclog, nor any estimate. What I meant was that I suspect that the quality of those wells may be less than the wells being brought online during the recent period. This could be confirmed once the fraclog wells are online, and we can measure their performance.

AlexS, 10/07/2015 at 8:49 am
O.K., thanks Enno
shallow sand, 10/07/2015 at 9:05 am
Enno. Saw you comment on the Seeking Alpha article re: CLR. Am I correct that a massive write down is coming for CLR at year end, and thus a massive loss in earnings?

Also, surprising to me how much shale stocks have rebounded with WTI just improving by about $4-$5 per bbl.

Enno. 10/07/2015 at 9:23 am
Shallow,

Correct. But it will be presented as "a one-off non-cash write-off, typically ignored by analysts", despite being massive and having been paid up front. :-)

Indeed the rebound is somewhat surprising. Perhaps a short squeeze?

AlexS, 10/07/2015 at 10:25 am
Impairment charges at record levels for North American E&P peer group (IHS Herold)

1 September 2015
http://blog.ihs.com/impairment-charges-at-record-levels-for-north-american-ep-peer-group-ihs-herold

The elevated level of asset impairments in the first half of 2015 have exceeded the previous annual high of the past decade in 2008. Given continued low commodity prices, we predict continuing severe impairments for companies in our North American E&P peer group during the remainder of 2015, with companies with high DD&A expense and assets outside core areas of the best plays most at risk. With proved reserves used as collateral for debt financing, E&Ps taking major write-downs in 2015 could have difficulty obtaining financing from their banks if prices remain depressed.

• Our preliminary second-quarter 2015 data shows the North American E&P peer group (Large, Midsized, and Small) took a total of $31 billion in impairment charges during the quarter, surpassing the first-quarter total of $29 billion. This propels the first-half 2015 total to $60 billion, far exceeding the previous high of $49 billion in 2008, as well as the 10-year annual average of $18 billion.

shallow sand, 10/07/2015 at 11:58 am
It appears that some companies began taking charges in Q1, and are taking a charge each quarter, while others are waiting until the end of 2015.

What is the reason for this difference? Accounting methods?

It appears that there are just two months left for SEC reserve value calculations for year end, 2015. As I and others brought up several months ago, many companies will have PDP PV10 smaller in value than the amount of their long term debt.

I think John Keller and Blaine brought up that banks are not on the hook for most of the debt, but unsecured bonds make up the bulk of it. It is odd, however, to see banks eager to loan funds to LTO companies who could possibly default on unsecured debt and who are insolvent, on paper, at least.

Again, I do look for US conventional production to continue to absorb the hit, as many conventional producers tend to be small business owners, who actually have to be concerned about paying debt back, no matter to who it is owed.

Why do unsecured bond holders just take a bath and take no action? It would seem to me that upon default, the unsecured bond holders could obtain a judgment against the defaulting company and lien the assets. Seems this might be some leverage to get some money out of the defaulting company/first lien banks, who probably do not want to go through the foreclosure process?

Or once the interest payment is missed, do the defaulting companies immediately file BK?

Blaine, 10/07/2015 at 10:55 pm
I would think it would usually be in the interest of the junior creditors to to force bankruptcy as soon as possible, while it still looks as if there might be value left over after addressing more senior liabilities. Their problem is that unless they have a debt covenant, they can't force a bankruptcy until the company actually defaults on a payment, and for the most part, the bonds don't have one.

Remember how all the E&Ps made such a big deal about how they didn't have any debt due soon? Payments due are generally quite small. There's really no standard approach, but when they started realizing they were in trouble, a lot of the companies issued secured second lien bonds which cut ahead of the older bonds, and they've been using the cash from these (plus credit lines) to make all contracted payments.

gwalke, 10/08/2015 at 6:35 am
One way to achieve this might be to stratify them by county, using McKenzie, Mountrail, Dunn and Williams as 'core' counties, as well as by targeted formation (as you have said).

Our analysis was that high-grading was relatively difficult, at least geologically, as the industry was already completing 84% of its wells in core counties. The percentage has increased this year, but there was little headroom for them to improve. Obviously this excludes sub-county level high-grading, but it is not unreasonable to have expected companies to generally bring their best wells on first even in the absence of price pressure. In the daily reports companies have still been completing wells in peripheral counties like Bottineau and Bowman.

As mentioned before, my guess is that improvements in early production levels are temporary and technological – adding more sand to the frack, fiddling the engineering/choke – to improve IP, and thus asset bases and the potential size of loans, at the expense of ultimate recovery. Companies that need to do this far outnumber the 'genuine' oil companies that merely try to extract oil for a lower price than they sell it for, and comprise at least two of the three top producers.

Enno Peters, 10/08/2015 at 7:01 am
thanks for your comments gwalke, I agree with you.
Dennis Coyne, 10/07/2015 at 2:36 pm
Hi Enno,

So with a frac log of 450 wells and assuming 70 wells drilled per month and 140 wells completed, we run out of the frac log in less than 7 months, if the frac log is 900, this gets extended to 13 months under the same assumptions. So possibly output could be maintained until April or September if well quality doesn't deteriorate. Great stuff, thanks!

Blaine, 10/07/2015 at 10:39 pm
What is your source for the "Wells Spud" data, and why do we believe that this the date is accurate? Clearly the count from ND should be correct in the sense that it matches the actual wells, and the operators will eventually have to file paperwork with the correct spudding date.

But is there a reason they need to promptly report the spudding of a well? If your source is the ND well status reports, is there a reason why they shouldn't be a month or two stale?

Enno Peters, 10/08/2015 at 4:08 am
I get this data from:

https://www.dmr.nd.gov/oilgas/
– Go to the GIS Map Server
– Click on "download shape files" (top right)
– download the wells.zip at the bottom
– open the wells.dbf in Excel

I have worked with this data over a year, and I found that every update typically contains minor revisions, mostly over the last few weeks. The revisions are typically changing the spud date with 1 day forwards/backwards, and a few new spud dates in the previous period. This was typically a minor occurrence, therefore I said above it could still be revised upwards with about 10% in my experience.

Blaine, 10/08/2015 at 9:18 pm
Thanks. Since that's actual spud date data and not a proxy, I agree that the older data should be quite accurate, and that the accuracy of the more recent data can be determined from the revision history, and is apparently accurate as well.

Increasing pad size should be causing an increase, but that should be longer term, and not this kind of spike.

The only thing that I can think of that would cause the spike is crewing. Maybe when they're about to lay people off, they have more people standing around waiting to fix anything that goes wrong? Even if they had the same number of people per rig, they wouldn't be busy with setting up the next pad. The effect is larger than I would have thought, but after all wells are drilled by people, not rigs. Maybe someone with some experience could comment if this seems reasonable?

Enno Peters, 10/09/2015 at 1:29 am
"The effect is larger than I would have thought, but after all wells are drilled by people, not rigs. "

That's a good point.

gwalke, 10/08/2015 at 6:39 am
Current daily report data is also very interesting. We are only five days in (of 22) to forecasting September production, but on current data new wells would only add around 25kbpd. That's compared to around 51kbpd added by July's new wells.
Enno Peters, 10/08/2015 at 7:03 am
One thing I noticed is that many (300+) inactive wells have been recently put back on active again. I am not sure how big an impact that will give.

[Oct 10, 2015] The danger of the succession war in Saudi Arabia

"... That could mean that only one branch of this family of some seven thousand princes will have power, a prescription for potential conflict as thirty-four of the thirty-five surviving lines of the founders family could find themselves disenfranchised. ..."
"... Todays Saudi Arabia is reminiscent of the dying decade of the Soviet Union, when one aged and infirm Politburo chief briefly succeeded another-from Brezhnev to Andropov to Chernenko ..."
"... In moves announced on Saudi state television, Salman replaced Crown Prince Muqrin bin Abdulaziz and named the powerful interior minister, Prince Mohammed bin Nayef, as next in line. He also named his son, Prince Mohammed bin Salman, as deputy crown prince and relieved the long-serving foreign minister, Prince Saud al-Faisal, who has shaped the kingdoms foreign policy for nearly four decades. ..."
"... But that was before their father, King Salman bin Abdulaziz, 79, ascended to the throne. Now Prince Mohammed, the eldest son of the kings third and most recent wife, is the rising star. He has swiftly accumulated more power than any prince has ever held, upending a longstanding system of distributing positions around the royal family to help preserve its unity, and he has used his growing influence to take a leading role in Saudi Arabias newly assertive stance in the region, including its military intervention in Yemen. . . . ..."
"... some Western diplomats, speaking on the condition of anonymity for fear of alienating the prince and the king, say they are worried about the growing influence of the prince, with one even calling him rash and impulsive. And in interviews, at least two other princes in the main line of the royal family made it clear that some older members of the clan have doubts as well. Both questioned the costs and benefits of the Yemen campaign that Prince Mohammed has spearheaded. . . . ..."
"... The prince, one of the grandsons of the states founder, Abdulaziz Ibn Saud, has told the Guardian that there is disquiet among the royal family – and among the wider public – at the leadership of King Salman, who acceded the throne in January. ..."
Oct 10, 2015 | peakoilbarrel.com
coffeeguyzz, 10/07/2015 at 6:12 am

WTI just hit $49.50 this AM

Reports are coming out of KSA that King Salman is in a hospital in critical condition.

Jeffrey J. Brown, 10/07/2015 at 7:28 am

In regard to Saudi Arabia, I usually reference "On Saudi Arabia," which was published in 2013. Following is a link to, and excerpt from, Chapter One:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0307473287?ie=UTF8&isInIframe=0&n=283155&ref_=dp_proddesc_0&s=books&showDetailProductDesc=1#product-description_feature_div

What scares many royals and most ordinary Saudis is that the succession, which historically has passed from brother to brother, soon will have to jump to a new generation of princes. That could mean that only one branch of this family of some seven thousand princes will have power, a prescription for potential conflict as thirty-four of the thirty-five surviving lines of the founder's family could find themselves disenfranchised. Saudis know from history that the second Saudi state was destroyed by fighting among princes. Older Saudis vividly recall how this third and latest Saudi state was shaken by a prolonged power struggle between the founder's two eldest sons after his death in 1953.

Today's Saudi Arabia is reminiscent of the dying decade of the Soviet Union, when one aged and infirm Politburo chief briefly succeeded another-from Brezhnev to Andropov to Chernenko-before Gorbachev took power with reform policies that proved too little too late. "They keep dying on me," Ronald Reagan famously said of the four Soviet leaders he dealt with in less than three years. The next U.S. president almost surely will have the same experience with ailing Saudi rulers.

An article from April, 2015:

King Salman of Saudi Arabia Changes Line of Succession
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/29/world/middleeast/king-salman-of-saudi-arabia-changes-line-of-succession.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=second-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

BEIRUT - King Salman of Saudi Arabia issued a series of surprise royal decrees early Wednesday, shaking up the line of princes slated to succeed him to the throne, replacing a number of ministers and further enhancing the power of his own line.

In moves announced on Saudi state television, Salman replaced Crown Prince Muqrin bin Abdulaziz and named the powerful interior minister, Prince Mohammed bin Nayef, as next in line. He also named his son, Prince Mohammed bin Salman, as deputy crown prince and relieved the long-serving foreign minister, Prince Saud al-Faisal, who has shaped the kingdom's foreign policy for nearly four decades.

The moves show Salman is shifting further away from the legacy of his predecessor, King Abdullah, who died in January.

Saudi Arabia has joined a United States-led coalition that is bombing the militants of the Islamic State in Syria and Iraq. It is also leading a bombing campaign against Houthi rebels who have seized a large portion of territory in neighboring Yemen. The new appointments are unlikely to lead to big changes in these policies.

Of all the changes, the reordering of the line to the throne is likely to draw the most scrutiny inside the kingdom because of competition between branches of the sprawling royal family for positions leading to the throne.

An article from June, 2015:

Surprising Saudi Rises as a Prince Among Princes
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/07/world/middleeast/surprising-saudi-rises-as-a-prince-among-princes.html?_r=0

RIYADH, Saudi Arabia - Until about four months ago, Prince Mohammed bin Salman, 29, was just another Saudi royal who dabbled in stocks and real estate. He grew up overshadowed by three older half brothers who were among the most accomplished princes in the kingdom - the first Arab astronaut; an Oxford-educated political scientist who was once a research fellow at Georgetown and also founded a major investment company; and a highly regarded deputy oil minister.

But that was before their father, King Salman bin Abdulaziz, 79, ascended to the throne. Now Prince Mohammed, the eldest son of the king's third and most recent wife, is the rising star. He has swiftly accumulated more power than any prince has ever held, upending a longstanding system of distributing positions around the royal family to help preserve its unity, and he has used his growing influence to take a leading role in Saudi Arabia's newly assertive stance in the region, including its military intervention in Yemen. . . .

The sweeping changes have thrust the young prince into power at a time when Saudi Arabia is locked in a series of escalating conflicts aimed at defending its vision of the regional order and holding back its chief rival, Iran. The kingdom is financially sustaining the rulers of Egypt and Jordan and propping up the Sunni monarchy in neighboring Bahrain against a revolt by its Shiite majority. It is also arming rebels in Syria against the Iranian-backed president, fighting in the United States-led air campaign over Iraq and leading its own air assault on an Iranian-backed faction in Yemen. And it is ramping up its military spending even as plunging oil prices and growing domestic expenditures have reduced its financial reserves by $50 billion over the last six months, to less than $700 billion.

"The king has put his son on an incredibly steep learning curve, clearly," said Ford M. Fraker, the president of the Middle East Policy Council and a former United States ambassador to Saudi Arabia. "The king is obviously convinced he is up to the challenge." But some Western diplomats, speaking on the condition of anonymity for fear of alienating the prince and the king, say they are worried about the growing influence of the prince, with one even calling him "rash" and "impulsive." And in interviews, at least two other princes in the main line of the royal family made it clear that some older members of the clan have doubts as well. Both questioned the costs and benefits of the Yemen campaign that Prince Mohammed has spearheaded. . . .

Prince Mohammed's three older half brothers - sons of their father's first wife, Sultana Bint Turki Al Sudairi, who died in 2011 - all have distinguished résumés and were once considered contenders for top government roles. . . .

Prince Mohammed, however, is the firstborn son of the King Salman's third and most recent wife, Fahda bint Falah bin Sultan, who worked hard to promote him as his father's successor, according to Western diplomats who know the family, several family members and associates who have worked for the family.

"He is her eldest," said one longtime associate who works closely with the clan. "For her, he is her glory at the end of the day."

Someone recently posted a story about a memo circulating among the Saudi Royal family that was highly critical of King Salman and his designated successors.

Saudi royal calls for regime change in Riyadh (September 28, 2015)
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/28/saudi-royal-calls-regime-change-letters-leadership-king-salman

A senior Saudi prince has launched an unprecedented call for change in the country's leadership, as it faces its biggest challenge in years in the form of war, plummeting oil prices and criticism of its management of Mecca, scene of last week's hajj tragedy.

The prince, one of the grandsons of the state's founder, Abdulaziz Ibn Saud, has told the Guardian that there is disquiet among the royal family – and among the wider public – at the leadership of King Salman, who acceded the throne in January.

The prince, who is not named for security reasons, wrote two letters earlier this month calling for the king to be removed.

"The king is not in a stable condition and in reality the son of the king [Mohammed bin Salman] is ruling the kingdom," the prince said. "So four or possibly five of my uncles will meet soon to discuss the letters. They are making a plan with a lot of nephews and that will open the door. A lot of the second generation is very anxious."

"The public are also pushing this very hard, all kinds of people, tribal leaders," the prince added. "They say you have to do this or the country will go to disaster."

Saudi King Hospitalized for Dementia (October 6, 2015)

http://en.abna24.com/service/middle-east-west-asia/archive/2015/10/06/713917/story.html

Informed sources told Arabic-language al-Ahd news agency that King Salman is now in the Intensive Care Unit (ICU) section of King Faisal Specialist Hospital in the Saudi capital.

The sources also said that given the Saudi king's unstable and aggravating health conditions, officials have ceased plans to transfer him to US hospitals.

Old Farmer Mac, 10/07/2015 at 2:29 pm

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/10/07/russia-saudi-oil-cooperation-is-hogwash-kilduff.html

I agree with this guy, the chances imo of the Russians and the Saudis getting together to cut back on oil production are exceedingly slim to approaching zero.

My opinion is based not on their finances but on their rivalry. The Saudis have a LOT of reasons to fear and hate the Russians and to try to bankrupt them.

[Oct 10, 2015] Oilfield cannibals: to save cash, US drillers strip idle rigs

"... (Cannibalization) will slow the industrys ability to ramp the rig count back up so it will delay the production response from oil prices, ..."
"... While there are no official statistics available, cannibalization has been so pervasive in this slump that industry experts say it is possible a majority of the 1,100 rigs that are not working have been scoured for parts. ..."
"... Investors, still seeing an oversupply of rigs, and are encouraging companies to scrap more rigs to halt the slide in daily rental rates, now around $20,000, depending on the rigs speed and power. ..."
"... However, the scrapping of more rigs would likely increase the number of those ripe for cannibalizing, analysts said. ..."
"... Our U.S. domestic customers, the oil producers, are shutting off all capital spending on just about anything, said Hewell, whose Houston company is backed by Houston-based private equity firm Global Energy Capital LP. ..."
"... The current US active rig count is 809. The 2014 peak level was 1931. In 2011 rig count exceeded 2000. Total number of oil and gas rigs, including rigs idled for long-term, was close to 3000. The common view among experts is that when drilling activity rebounds active rig count will is unlikely to exceed 1200-1400 units. ..."
Oct 10, 2015 | peakoilbarrel.com

AlexS, 10/07/2015 at 8:50 am

Interesting trends in the US onshore drilling sector:

Oilfield cannibals: to save cash, U.S. drillers strip idle rigs

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/07/us-oil-services-parts-idUSKCN0S109S20151007

In a bid to save cash, rig owners are cannibalizing parts such as motors and drill pipe from idled rigs to fix 800 active ones in the U.S. when stuff breaks.

In good times, they would buy new equipment … when parts fail. Now, they just pick over any of about 1,100 rigs idled by the price crash.

Cannibalization is so widespread in this downturn that services companies and others say even after oil prices recover it will take six months or more to see a significant rebound in drilling and production – a timeframe that will allay fears of a quick uptick in drilling promptly sinking prices again.

NOV [National Oilwell Varco] has said so many rigs are idled that firms could cannibalize drill pipe for up to a year before placing new orders.

"(Cannibalization) will slow the industry's ability to ramp the rig count back up so it will delay the production response from oil prices," said James West, oilfield services analyst with Evercore ISI.

While there are no official statistics available, cannibalization has been so pervasive in this slump that industry experts say it is possible a majority of the 1,100 rigs that are not working have been scoured for parts.

Land rig utilization is hovering around 60 percent for larger U.S. drilling contractors, according to data from Tulsa, Oklahoma-based Helmerich & Payne Inc, which has a higher utilization rate because it has a fleet of newer rigs.

There are lots of spares available because the U.S. rig fleet was near a 15-year high when prices started to tumble.

Investors, still seeing an oversupply of rigs, and are encouraging companies to scrap more rigs to halt the slide in daily rental rates, now around $20,000, depending on the rig's speed and power.

"Companies have to continue to scrap idle rigs and do all that they can to balance supply with demand," said Robert Thummel, a portfolio manager at Tortoise Capital Advisors.

However, the scrapping of more rigs would likely increase the number of those ripe for cannibalizing, analysts said.

To escape the downturn gripping the U.S. shale market, Premium Oilfield is expanding in the Middle East.

"Our U.S. domestic customers, the oil producers, are shutting off all capital spending on just about anything," said Hewell, whose Houston company is backed by Houston-based private equity firm Global Energy Capital LP.

AlexS, 10/07/2015 at 12:51 pm

Ves,

The current US active rig count is 809. The 2014 peak level was 1931. In 2011 rig count exceeded 2000. Total number of oil and gas rigs, including rigs idled for long-term, was close to 3000. The common view among experts is that when drilling activity rebounds active rig count will is unlikely to exceed 1200-1400 units.
Furthermore, there is a constant shift towards newest and most efficient rigs.
I am sure that most rigs that drilling companies are disassembling are relatively old and will never be needed.

Ves, 10/07/2015 at 1:44 pm

Alex,

I am not sure that I would agree that explanation on justification for disassembling the rigs.

1) "Experts" predict that rig count will not likely exceed 1200-1400 rigs.

Well then why these experts did not foresee collapse in 2013-14 and advise drilling companies to rain spending on the new rigs? The simple truth is that their opinion is worth it as much yours or mine.

2) Second justification that they are disassembling rigs are relatively old and will never be needed is also weak. They need them now because the parts that are taking from them are for the rigs that are drilling right now. So these are not obsolete rigs. They do serve the function.

3) And the third about constant shift towards newest and most efficient rigs. Well my question is did the drillers retired the loans that they got for the current rigs? With huge decline in the rig rates the answer is clearly not. So the question is where they will find capital to buy newer and fancier rigs? They will not get it. So that is why this is delusion on their part.

AlexS, 10/07/2015 at 2:39 pm

Ves,

U.S. oil & gas active rig count remained within a relatively narrow range between 1700 and 2000 for almost 4 years, while US C+C production increased from 5.5 mb/d to 9.5 mb/d, and natural gas and NGL production was also increasing.

Drilling companies were actively modernizing their drilling fleet, so there were also about 1000 permanently idled old rigs.

There is no doubt that all existing rigs will not be needed even if the drilling activity rebounds.

(1) Shale production will increase at much slower rates, and the drilling frenzy of 2011-14 will not be repeated.

(2) New rigs are more efficient and

(3) The is a constant shift to pad drilling

Thanks to (2) and (3) less rigs are needed to drill the same number of wells.

(4) If the demand for rigs start ito rise, customers (the E&P companies) will require newer and more efficient rigs, so there is no need to store old rigs.
Remember the 80's, when 3/4 of U.S. rigs were scrapped

Old Farmer Mac, 10/07/2015 at 2:25 pm

It has been common practice almost forever to strip parts off of idle equipment in slow times to keep equipment still on the job running.

For example, a couple of EXPERIENCED guys with a boom truck can remove a twenty thousand dollar (used) diesel engine from a dozer in half a day – and put it in a dozer on the job in another day and a half.

The bad engine that comes out can be put in the maintenance shop for a rebuild at leisure and installed in the donor dozer at leisure or kept on a pallet for a ready spare.

This way the mechanics are kept busy, helping keep the crew together, the dozer on the job gets fixed pdq, and the twenty or thirty grand needed to purchase a rebuilt or used running engine in a hurry is conserved to help the company get thru bad times.

Almost nothing is actually LOST except a day or two day of labor. The cost of that labor is apt to be less than the cost of a rental dozer for a couple of days.

Now I have never been around an oil rig, but I bet a five hundred horsepower weather proof electric motor can be removed in a day and that a new one would cost at least fifteen or twenty thousand and probably more.

Getting a bad one rewound would most likely take at least a week to a month because when times are slow for contractors, they are generally pedal to the metal for the specialists who fix stuff contractors cannot fix in their own maintenance shops.

Any large company that uses a lot of big diesel engines most likely has in house diesel mechanics. But electric motors are so dependable hardly any company has enough to maintain their own electric motor shop – so they get sent out.

Having said all this, older machines are indeed frequently robbed to the point they are never put back in service.

Manufacturers expect to make more money on parts than they do on selling new equipment, over the years. If you go to a heavy truck dealer and ask for the prices of the fifteen or twenty most expensive parts of a given truck, the total will exceed the price of a complete truck by a wide margin.There would be a thousand parts still to be bought to assemble a truck.

It doesn't cost THAT much to keep parts in a warehouse and ship them to a dealer. Parts are THE profit center- along with the service department of course.

It is totally common place for a dealer to bill labor at five or more times what a mechanic makes.

People who sell new parts like to make fun of used parts, but the fact of the matter is that as soon as you drive a car off the dealer lot, with ten miles or less on the odometer, EVERY single part of it is a USED part.

[Oct 10, 2015] Another Petro-State Throws In The Towel The Last Nail In The Petrodollar Coffin

"... 2016 will be another year of record mainland deficit which need to be covered by the offshore sector and its 6,900 bn NOK sovereign wealth fund (SWF). ..."
"... As Eurodollar liquidity dries up and consequently pushes up the price of actual dollar (note, Eurodollars are international claims to domestic US dollars but for which no such dollars actual exists) the problem for petro-states compounds. One way this manifest itself is through international purchasing power of prior savings. ..."
"... Assuming oil prices remain low, mainland tax revenue will plummet as they are very much a function of what goes on offshore, while expenditure will rise as they do in all welfare states during a down cycle. ..."
"... In other words, the drawdown of the SWF will exceed its inflow even after adding financial income flows. The last remnant of the petro-dollar will thus die in 2016 ..."
"... For a country 100 per cent dependent on continued leverage in the Eurodollar system the absolutely best case scenario is for the US economy to grow just slowly enough for international monetary policy to again realign; reducing the value of the USD through continued ZIRP in the US. ..."
"... To be blunt, the prospect in Washington DC of the loss of dollar world wide hegemony is creeping closer and closer. What does this mean to the worlds only super power and vast global empire? Well, it puts in threat the ability of Washington to print green paper and have all the rest of the earth to supply in return manufactured goods, energy, commodities and services. All in return for green paper. Washington spends twice what its taxes return each year. That leaves 1/2 of the entire federal spending to come from printed green paper. ..."
Oct 10, 2015 | Zero Hedge
According to the proposed budget submitted by the current 'blue-blue' government the Norwegian deficit will reach another record high in 2016. Mainland taxes are expected to bring in 1,008 billion NOKs, while expenditures are estimated at 1,215 billion NOKs. In other words, 2016 will be another year of record mainland deficit which need to be covered by the offshore sector and its 6,900 bn NOK sovereign wealth fund (SWF).

While record mainland deficits covered by the petroleum sector is nothing new in Norwegian budget history, on the contrary it is closer to the norm, the 2016 budget did raise some eyebrows. The other side of the ledger, the net inflow to the SWF from activities in the North Sea will, again according to budget, be lower than the required amount to cover the deficit. This has never happened before and is testimony of the sea change occurring in the world of petrodollar recycling. Interestingly enough, the need to liquidate SWF holdings is helping to create further deflation in the Eurodollar system in a self-reinforcing loop.

As Eurodollar liquidity dries up and consequently pushes up the price of actual dollar (note, Eurodollars are international claims to domestic US dollars but for which no such dollars actual exists) the problem for petro-states compounds. One way this manifest itself is through international purchasing power of prior savings. A SWF as the Norwegian was created through a surplus of exports over imports meaning it can only be utilized through future imports over exports. When the Norwegians look at their wealth expressed in Norwegian kroner it all looks fine, but expressed in dollars the SWF has shrunk considerably in size. Thus, the surfeit imports expected by the Norwegian populace cannot be met. Norway rode high on a wave of liquidity which pushed up commodity currencies, leading Norwegians to consume more imported goods today, without realizing they were tapping into the principal of their future. When the tide turns the gross misconception is revealed.

The Government claims it is all fine though. The current down-cycle will, according to them, end early 2016 so despite a 2 percentage point reduction in corporate- and personal income tax, mainland tax revenues are expected to increase 1.9 per cent. That is obviously a pipedream, just as the expected 17.9 per cent increase in interest and dividend income which will make sure the SWF continue to grow at a healthy pace despite the massive mainland deficit.

Assuming oil prices remain low, mainland tax revenue will plummet as they are very much a function of what goes on offshore, while expenditure will rise as they do in all welfare states during a down cycle.

If we are right, a global recession is imminent, meaning the expected increase in dividend income will never materialize.

In other words, the drawdown of the SWF will exceed its inflow even after adding financial income flows. The last remnant of the petro-dollar will thus die in 2016.

For a country 100 per cent dependent on continued leverage in the Eurodollar system the absolutely best case scenario is for the US economy to grow just slowly enough for international monetary policy to again realign; reducing the value of the USD through continued ZIRP in the US.

Robust growth in the US will prompt Yellen to hike, spiking the dollar (as Eurodollar claims scramble for actual dollars) while paradoxically a recession in the US will lead to the exact same outcome. The goldilocks scenario of 1-2 per cent growth is the best that the Norwegian government can hope for. It will minimize the gap between the lies and propaganda spewed out by the Ministry of Finance and reality.

Latina Lover

Death to the Fed Reserve! Time for a currency reset. Down with the Banksters, or rather, hang them high!

Lumberjack

Just in:

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/statoil-reports-oil-spill-of-norway-coa...

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Muslim Press Claims Saudi King Salman bin Abdulaziz Hospitalized for Dementia

Informed sources told Arabic-language al-Ahd news agency that King Salman is now in the Intensive Care Unit (ICU) section of King Faisal Specialist Hospital in the Saudi capital.

The sources also said that given the Saudi king's unstable and aggravating health conditions, officials have ceased plans to transfer him to US hospitals.


According to witnesses, his exact state of dementia is a source of speculation but he is known to have held cogent conversations as recently as last October. !!!!!!!


He can also forget what he said minutes ago, or faces he has known all his life. This is typical of the disease.

en.abna24.com/service/middle-east-west-asia/archive/2015/10/06/713917/story.html

Jack Burton

"the world of petrodollar recycling"

The USA Dollar hegemony system was partly built upon Petro Dollar recycling. And of course Chinese trade surplus recycling. We have already seen the Chinese Treasury selling. That is a nail in the world reserve currency. Falling oil revenues dry up another major dollar recycling system.

Many on ZH have noted the not so gradual approach of World War. To be blunt, the prospect in Washington DC of the loss of dollar world wide hegemony is creeping closer and closer. What does this mean to the world's only super power and vast global empire? Well, it puts in threat the ability of Washington to print green paper and have all the rest of the earth to supply in return manufactured goods, energy, commodities and services. All in return for green paper. Washington spends twice what it's taxes return each year. That leaves 1/2 of the entire federal spending to come from printed green paper.

To be clear. When Washington loses the power to print, it has lost over half of it's global power in one stroke. The prospect of that can only lead to global war. The US Neoconservatives are laying the foundations for global war, World War Three. It is either go to war, or lose the global super power status built on Money Printing.

Unless you think America remains the global super power based on it's vibrant productive economy?

[Oct 10, 2015] Three main reasons for which NATO is not attacking Russia right now

Notable quotes:
"... The second reason, is that NATO is facing problems, the alliance is weakening and its credibility has been damaged a lot. Essentially, the members which are fully aligned behind US imperialism right now are the Baltic countries, the former eastern bloc countries and the traditional US ally, United Kingdom. ..."
"... One of the 3 reasons it gives for US not attacking Russia is that Russia is needed to clean up the US mess in Syria. ..."
"... Did you know that CIA has NO Congressional oversight now? With no threat of hearings, theyre running free. ..."
"... It seems that most of the military/foreign policy establishment is actively pushing the neocon unipolarist adventurism. More like those who are active in trying to dilute its actions are the rogue element. Obama, I am convinced, is trying even while covering himself w a milder version of neocon rhetoric. I never thought I wd approve anything about such a liar. ..."
"... Its a real study to read the articles from the NYT and other big media outlets here on the subject of Syria and particularly the rebels . The concoction of terms that have been used over the past couple of years and especially since ~ June is mind boggling. At one point I had started collecting them. Moderate rebels morphed into relatively moderate insurgents and all kinds of other permutations. ..."
"... McCain, Lindsey, Rubio, Cotton and other unstable personalities decide grand total of nothing in US foreign policy. They are encouraged to talk tough only insofar as it softens up the foreign interlocutors for the responsible players like Obama and Kerry. The responsibles can always point to the lunatics and extract concessions from frightened opposite side. ..."
"... On another note, Erdogan is setting himself up for a landslide defeat at the polls or a military coup detat, hes made so many enemies in the Turkish army and body politic, that combined with his erratic personal behavior and foreign/internal policies, and his delusions of grandeur, are not a good omen for his future. If Turkey still had any illusions re: membership in the EU, Erdogan and the recent suicide bombings just kill them for time to come, and la Merkel now has more ammunition to throw at Turkeys EU aspirations. ..."
"... Russians are far more cautious than Americans, because they have had more 1000 years to hone their diplomacy, and are acutely aware that blowback is an inevitable consequence of any poorly though-out action and/or overreach. Americans are still learning the a , b and c of the craft, and maybe even regressing since the end of the Cold War. ..."
"... The US plan (export ISIS and Al Qaida to balkanize) is extremely defective because it also threatens the stability and even existence of traditional US stooges like Pakistan, Jordan, Egypt, etc, and it also inflicts massive economic pain and an immigration crisis upon Europe. ..."
"... Saudi, Qatar, and UAE have exported terrorism with complete impunity for decades now. Russia, Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, etc need to do something rather direct about that or it will continue. The American people should do something as well but were brainwashed idiots. ..."
"... We have become a Propaganda Wonderland. ..."
"... Believing John Kerry in saying that he agrees to a secular stable Syria was bullshit from the first breath that came out of his mouth. ..."
"... The Empire is scrambling for answers and actions due to Russias surprise intervention in Syria and its a simple as that. Read my post from yesterday. Once they decide on a course of despicable action, it will become much clearer in the next few weeks or months. ..."
"... Weeks ago I mentioned that this Russian in intervention is not a riskless, easy program thats so many Putin-bots were desperate for. One can either describe reality, or be a biased self-credibility eviserator. The evil US Empire is super pissed and they are going to double down instead of retreat. ..."
"... The empire will not cede an inch of their unipolar delusion, and will fight to defeat Russia/China/Iran aspirations for a multipolar world. ..."
"... excellent article up at zerohedge... http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-10/carpe-chaos-isis-israel-iraq-syria-its-all-part-plan ..."
the unbalanced evolution of homo sapiens

by system failure

The first, and probably most important reason for which NATO is not attacking Russia for the moment, is the upgraded Russian nuclear arsenal. As in the Cold War 1.0 era, the nuclear strength of both superpowers, capable to destroy the planet many times, was a key preventing factor against a direct conflict between the USA and the former Soviet Union.

Moreover, the US indirect aggression against China lately, a stupid strategy coming from the neocon agenda, brought China closer to Russia, building an even stronger alliance between them. They are both now in a race of developing further their nuclear arsenals and this is a key deterrent which prevents NATO to confront them openly.

The second reason, is that NATO is facing problems, the alliance is weakening and its credibility has been damaged a lot. Essentially, the members which are fully aligned behind US imperialism right now are the Baltic countries, the former eastern bloc countries and the traditional US ally, United Kingdom.

The relations between the United States and other major countries inside the alliance appear to be in a quite bad shape, especially those with Germany and Turkey. The recent Volkswagen emission scandal confirmed that, indeed, there is an underground fierce economic war between the United States and Germany. Besides that, the relations between the two countries started to worse rapidly after the known revelations of the NSA interceptions.

Concerning Turkey, it is known that the US promote the creation of a Kurdish state because it serves better their interests. This is totally unacceptable for Erdoğan,who is occupied by the illusion of the Turkish expansionism. Washington is not very happy seeing ISIS being used by Turkey to fight Kurds, instead of operating in full force against Assad regime.

Other key allies like France, are not very happy with the sanctions, imposed by the US, against Russia. The economic damage is not insignificant. The most characteristic example concerning France, is the cancellation of the deal concerning the Mistral warships, by Russia.

The third reason, is that the US need Russia and even Iran to clean up the mess in Middle East. A mess which was created by the US and their allies in Middle East when they started to arm anti-Assad forces to confront the Assad regime. Now, ISIS is out of control.

However, the Americans had enough troubles with the attrition wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. They wouldn't risk further mess by bringing 'boots on the ground' to confront ISIS. The recent deal with Iran, concerning its nuclear program, is not accidental. Besides, Pentagon announced that will stop training new militant forces in Syria, which is actually an admission of failure of its so far strategy.

shadylady | Oct 10, 2015 1:05:32 PM | 9

Beware bloggers:

Cold War II to McCarthyism II, June 8, 2015

Exclusive: With Cold War II in full swing, the New York Times is dusting off what might be called McCarthyism II, the suggestion that anyone who doesn't get in line with U.S. propaganda must be working for Moscow, reports Robert Parry.

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Perhaps it's no surprise that the U.S. government's plunge into Cold War II would bring back the one-sided propaganda themes that dominated Cold War I, but it's still unsettling to see how quickly the major U.S. news media has returned to the old ways, especially the New York Times, which has emerged as Official Washington's propaganda vehicle of choice.

What has been most striking in the behavior of the Times and most other U.S. mainstream media outlets is their utter lack of self-awareness, for instance, accusing Russia of engaging in propaganda and alliance-building that are a pale shadow of what the U.S. government routinely does. Yet, the Times and the rest of the MSM act as if these actions are unique to Moscow.

BIG SNIP

USAID, working with billionaire George Soros's Open Society, also funds the Organized Crime and Corruption Reporting Project, which engages in "investigative journalism" that usually goes after governments that have fallen into disfavor with the United States and then are singled out for accusations of corruption. The USAID-funded OCCRP also collaborates with Bellingcat, an online investigative website founded by blogger Eliot Higgins.

https://consortiumnews.com/2015/06/08/cold-war-ii-to-mccarthyism-ii/

Soros is coming to get us. :) Look for uptick in trolls. Hope Operation Summer Rains trolls have retired.

Lysander | Oct 10, 2015 1:16:14 PM | 14

Best defense for Russia is the ability to retaliate in kind. Yemen against KSA and PKK against Turkey. It doesn't mean they won't arm the terrorists, but it does mean it will be costly for them. And the Russians can always play the "gee it looks like your manpads fell into the wrong hands and they went and shot down an Aapache in Iraq."

james | Oct 10, 2015 1:26:51 PM | 18

what is the disconnect between the us admin and the cia? is this some sort of good guy, bad guy routine that they like to have going? are they supposed to make out like the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing too? looks like the cia is calling the shots... so much for that friggin' democracy joke under the nobel peace prizer's command..

actually i think skipping the vetting and training of those working for the usa administration and the cia is a huge problem.. they can do that when they want to put weapons in isis's hands to overthrow assad, but they need to stop doing it to their own country as it's doing to blow up in their face..on 2nd thought maybe they are hoping for regime change in the usa! that's one way to get an amerikkkan regime change in your own country - destroy it..

i am sorry to hear of the horrible event in ankara.. i can't imagine sultan erdogan being happy about it either..who advises this dipstick? or, is that an example of how things will go better with isis?

Virgile | Oct 10, 2015 1:45:51 PM | 19

This is where Iran comes in...

It is clear that if the USA starts a proxy war in Syria against Russia, Iran will retaliate by hitting the USA ally, Saudi Arabia, in Yemen.

In parallel to Saudi Arabia arming Syrian rebels, we will see Iran (and Russia) arming the Houthis in Yemen. I expect heavy military escalation on the Saudi Yemeni border soon

MMARR | Oct 10, 2015 1:51:14 PM | 21

@17 shadylady
Impotence is an unfamiliar feeling in DC, so they are all "pissed" right now. Generals, politicos, arms merchants, lobbyists, think tankers, all of them. They are scrambling for a response, but can't find a single one that wouldn't lead to a worsening of their position.
We are witnessing the last gasp of American hegemony, and the process is natural and irreversible.

Penelope | Oct 10, 2015 2:00:19 PM | 22

nmb @2, Thanks for the link. One of the 3 reasons it gives for US not attacking Russia is that Russia is needed to clean up the US mess in Syria. I agree and evidently some faction in the US with Obama as its point-man agrees. However this faction is so weak that it cannot even seem to speak out forthrightly, but relies on undermining the neocon strategy, which remains the same. The unipolarists are still determined upon absolute rule generally-- and destruction of Syria and its govt specifically.

shadylady | Oct 10, 2015 2:04:53 PM | 23

@ MMARR @ BOG @ James, I love reading Pepe Escorbar and M.K. Bhadrakumar

NATO all dressed up, nowhere to go in Syria

Neither Erdogan nor Russian President Vladimir Putin is spoiling for a fight. By the way, what actually happened over the weekend on the Turkish-Syrian border too is shrouded in mystery and increasingly it seems Ankara and Moscow are in some foreplay over new ground rules for the non-existent Turkish-Syrian border.

From Erdogan's latest remarks, he seems to be tapping down tensions.

snip
The European Union's proposal to 'assist' Turkey in handling the refugee flow from Syria is a case in point. The EU offers to subsidize Turkey financially provided Ankara kept custody of the Syrian refugees. Ankara has an open mind – everything depends on how generous the EU funding will be. Clearly, $1.5 billion is 'peanuts'.

Turkey does not want foreign troops to come and defend it. Its preference is that the US and Germany would change their mind and allowed the Patriot batteries to remain in Turkey. (Alas, they are not agreeable.)
snip

A broad Turkish-Russian understanding over Syria may even emerge out of it. Erdogan will most certainly expect Putin not to arm the Syrian Kurds.

MORE: http://atimes.com/2015/10/nato-all-dressed-up-nowhere-to-go-in-syria/

Always love Escobar, waiting for his next article:
http://atimes.com/category/empire-of-chaos/

Penelope | Oct 10, 2015 2:16:15 PM | 25

Shady Lady @3, "Do we have a rogue CIA now?"

Did you know that CIA has NO Congressional oversight now? With no threat of hearings, they're running free.

It seems that most of the military/foreign policy establishment is actively pushing the neocon unipolarist adventurism. More like those who are active in trying to dilute its actions are the rogue element. Obama, I am convinced, is trying even while covering himself w a milder version of neocon rhetoric. I never thought I wd approve anything about such a liar.

He weakened the Pentagon's program to send in fighters, but I don't think there's anything he can do against the CIA I guess he still appoints the director, but making that change wd be an awfully dangerous move.

Does anyone know if there are elements in the military who resist the military adventurism for whom McCain and the neocons are the point-men?

gemini33 | Oct 10, 2015 2:35:41 PM | 30

@11 Penelope

It's a real study to read the articles from the NYT and other big media outlets here on the subject of Syria and particularly the "rebels". The concoction of terms that have been used over the past couple of years and especially since ~ June is mind boggling. At one point I had started collecting them. "Moderate rebels" morphed into "relatively moderate insurgents" and all kinds of other permutations.

It's also interesting to note the way they refer to their numerous anonymous sources. We have become a Propaganda Wonderland.

MMARR | Oct 10, 2015 2:42:38 PM | 33

@25 Penelope

McCain, Lindsey, Rubio, Cotton and other "unstable" personalities decide grand total of nothing in US foreign policy. They are encouraged to talk tough only insofar as it softens up the foreign interlocutors for the "responsible" players like Obama and Kerry. The "responsibles" can always point to the "lunatics" and extract concessions from frightened opposite side.

People who take their bluster seriously are making a mistake, because that's exactly their goal. Yet it's simply a bluster, a theater, and nothing more.
Therefore, nobody in the US military "resists their adventurism", because they are all part of the same team, only with different roles.

Lone Wolf | Oct 10, 2015 2:49:58 PM | 35

Proxy wars were how the Cold War 1.0 was fought, and after a brief hiatus, that's how the new Cold War 2.0 will be fought, what has changed is the weaponry and the type of warfare, mainly from guerrilla wars of liberation in Africa, Asia, and Latin America, to hybrid and asymmetrical warfare. The empire will not cede an inch of their unipolar delusion, and will fight to defeat Russia/China/Iran aspirations for a multipolar world.

On another note, Erdogan is setting himself up for a landslide defeat at the polls or a military coup d'etat, he's made so many enemies in the Turkish army and body politic, that combined with his erratic personal behavior and foreign/internal policies, and his delusions of grandeur, are not a good omen for his future. If Turkey still had any illusions re: membership in the EU, Erdogan and the recent suicide bombings just kill them for time to come, and la Merkel now has more ammunition to throw at Turkey's EU aspirations.

Welcome to the, now official, Cold War 2.0!

MMARR | Oct 10, 2015 3:11:58 PM | 39

@27 Penelope

Russians are far more cautious than Americans, because they have had more 1000 years to hone their diplomacy, and are acutely aware that blowback is an inevitable consequence of any poorly though-out action and/or overreach. Americans are still learning the "a","b" and "c" of the craft, and maybe even regressing since the end of the Cold War.

So, Moscow will definitely refrain from any preemptive action with regard to undermining Saudis or Turks. They usually prefer to sit and watch, to talk and to calculate the odds, and only then move a figure on a chessboard. Americans move first and think later, believing they can always kill the opponent, if the game develops not to their liking.

As for Russia not supplying Syria or Iran with S-300, I think that was done mostly in order not to alarm and antagonize the West prematurely, while Russia's military was moving swiftly on the path of wholesale reorganization and modernization. In Putin's world, it seems, everything has its own time and its own place.

ToivoS | Oct 10, 2015 3:34:37 PM | 42

The Russians must have had a very clear understanding that when they attacked those "al Nusra" and other "moderate" targets in Northern Syria that they that these forces were being supplied and encouraged by the CIA Russia knowingly attacked US backed forces. Perhaps Obama and Kerry are too stupid to realize what that means. What it means is that there are very powerful forces inside the US government and military that will see this as an attack on the United States of America and that we must respond to that aggression. I hope that Obama is starting to understand what he is up against. He should be trying to bring those agencies under control. Any tiny efforts to neutralize those War Party forces with compromise will only make matters worse. It is time exert executive control over these groups and execute top level purges if they resist. Somehow this seems unlikely.

I hope Putin and Lavrov thought this through before they acted. The outcome could be very dangerous indeed. I was terribly worried last week when the Russian attack began that it would produce a strong reaction inside the US government among all of those war monger plants inside State, the military and intelligence agencies that have been slowly gaining power for the last decade. All of that cheering we have been hearing over the last week here at MOA has been serious -- representatives of the US hegemon do not like to be ridiculed.

Penelope | Oct 10, 2015 3:36:53 PM | 43

BOG @ 13, I don't think it's a divide between the executive & military. I think the majority of each is committed to an aggressive foreign policy. Obama I think is resisting it and only giving rhetorical agreement. I'm not sure who else is in the resistors' faction.

Thanks for posting about the withdrawal of the USS Theodore Roosevelt "just one day after Russian missile strikes from the Caspian. Didn't make sense to me, cuz Russians aren't threatening ships.

In fact, departure was well telegraphed in advance: In April, June & July. Announcement was that for first time since 2007 there wd be a two month gap in the Fall w/o an aircraft carrier in the Gulf. Replacement in December. Reason: Only 10 active now, stead of 11 & ideal maintenace schedule is 7 months deployment; as it is we're deploying for 8 months. Oct 5 announced imminent departure, day before Rusian missiles.

This was potentially important; thanks for posting it. The links are boring. Don't bother; I only posted them for completeness.
http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/view/assessing-the-u.s.-aircraft-carrier-gap-in-the-gulfTh Oct 5, announcing imminent departure
http://breakingdefense.com/2015/06/carrier-gap-in-gulf-is-a-symptom-not-a-crisis/
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/07/30/navy-admiral-confirms-us-pulling-aircraft-carrier-from-persian-gulf-this-fall/

GoraDiva | Oct 10, 2015 3:51:04 PM | 46

A good update on the Syrian ops - http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/10/john-helmer-us-strategy-in-the-middle-east-is-dying-along-with-its-authors-carter-and-brzezinski-putin-al-assad-get-to-dance-on-their-graves-david-ben-gurion-too.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+NakedCapitalism+%28naked+capitalism%29

alaric | Oct 10, 2015 4:04:07 PM | 50

The Russians surely anticipated such a move from the US so i assume Putin has a counter move for the US. China's participation would certainly supply that but there are lots of things Putin can do, many are mentioned above.

The US plan (export ISIS and Al Qaida to balkanize) is extremely defective because it also threatens the stability and even existence of traditional US stooges like Pakistan, Jordan, Egypt, etc, and it also inflicts massive economic pain and an immigration crisis upon Europe.

I doubt US allies will be able to endure this US push to implement Brzezinki's nefarious plot and Israel's similar plan for the ME. I expect some major defections from the US camp.

Saudi, Qatar, and UAE have exported terrorism with complete impunity for decades now. Russia, Iran, Syria, Hezbollah, etc need to do something rather direct about that or it will continue. The American people should do something as well but we're brainwashed idiots.

zedz | Oct 10, 2015 4:06:51 PM | 51

IMO the lack of western reaction is due to two things - 1) Russians have some toys that the west can't neutralize and 2) Europe wants to survive and wants no war anyway

I think the arab statements are pure posturing, they'll basically trade Syria for Yemen in the end.

Erdogan played both east and west and betrayed both. He has no future, this way or the other. The current chaos there could come from both sides just as well.

Vintage Red | Oct 10, 2015 4:12:00 PM | 53

gemini33 @30:

"We have become a Propaganda Wonderland."

The US has become Humpty-Dumpty, claiming "words mean what I want them to mean." We all know what happened to Humpty-Dumpty...

tom | Oct 10, 2015 5:30:31 PM | 59

Please don't hate me because I was right, once again.

Believing John Kerry in saying that he agrees to a secular stable Syria was bullshit from the first breath that came out of his mouth.

Like I said weeks ago when b and others here gave Kerry the benefit of the doubt, which was never deserved. How could Kerry be a proven unreliable liar in regards to Ukraine, but he's capable of telling the truth in Syria ?! it makes no sense. Desperate, wishful thinking.

The Empire is scrambling for answers and actions due to Russia's surprise intervention in Syria and it's a simple as that. Read my post from yesterday. Once they decide on a course of despicable action, it will become much clearer in the next few weeks or months.

And when Russia inevitably becomes Iraqs foreign helpful power, replacing the US there, then expect far more US support for jihadi terrorists. If the US is left out of the loop in Iraq, they will counter that with more jihadis and more weapons. It's why they are the evil empire and the Great Satan.

Oh, and that time frame of the Russian involvement in Syria will be only four months, like I said was bullshit yesterday, guess what, it's time to hate tom again, because I was spot on there too.

Weeks ago I mentioned that this Russian in intervention is not a riskless, easy program that's so many Putin-bots were desperate for. One can either describe reality, or be a biased self-credibility eviserator. The evil US Empire is super pissed and they are going to double down instead of retreat.

MMARR | Oct 10, 2015 5:50:11 PM | 62

@57 Penelope

In geopolitics the words of intent almost always hide the real intent. They are meaningless.

All of this verbal saber-rattling is nothing more than psy-ops, the lowest cost form of warfare. People are simply trying no nudge the Russians to engage in talks, as well as enhance their own position at the negotiating table. US government also has to calm down the viewers of FOX News. Moscow understands that.

My prediction - neither the West nor the Gulf Arabs (who operate some of the world's biggest and fines airlines) will supply high-tech anti-aircraft weapons to head choppers. Russians produce the best such toys in the world, and the blowback for this "act of war" could be vicious.

harry law | Oct 10, 2015 6:06:25 PM | 66

"On Friday, Russian air power "destroyed two command centres of the militants, an ammunition depot in the Hama Province, 29 field camps, 23 fortified stations and positions with ammunition and equipment."

Radio intercepts revealed ISIS now faces a shortage of fuel, weapons, ammunition and increasingly the will to fight in the face of an onslaught against which they're defenseless.
Thousands "are demoralized and are actively leaving the battle zone, moving in eastern and northeastern directions," Konashenkov explained.

Areas targeted in the last 24 hours included Raqqa (the main ISIS stronghold), Hama, Idlib, the Damascus countryside and Aleppo." http://sjlendman.blogspot.co.uk/ Not bad for a start, won't do McCains health any good.

Satellite images located a hidden Idlib province command center. "After analysis of pictures from space and after air reconnaissance by drones," Russian air strikes destroyed it.

Wayoutwest | Oct 10, 2015 7:33:26 PM | 73

HL@66

The Russians are certainly good at self-promotion and propaganda bombing. Reading this detailed report you would think they face a conventional army in the Islamic State who sit in buildings waiting for orders while the bombs fall.

The IS is a nonconventional force an Urban Guerilla force dispersed across the country in small groups and if there was a command center it was evacuated and empty when bombed just as the training facilities/ school yards were empty.

The IS fighters were running during this bombing spree but they were running to capture new territory from other rebel groups that the Russians softened up for them.

ben | Oct 10, 2015 7:56:14 PM | 77

LoneWolf @35 said: " The empire will not cede an inch of their unipolar delusion, and will fight to defeat Russia/China/Iran aspirations for a multipolar world."

Yep, and as long as the dollar reins, they'll create all they need to meet their goals.

nmb @ 38 said: "I'm afraid things can get worse with the 2016 US elections. Any GOP will certainly promote the neocon agenda, but also Hillary will adopt such policies. I doubt that the US deep state will let any chance for Sanders."

Agreed. It's the money people, til' that changes, nothing changes. Go BRICS, go!

Lone Wolf | Oct 10, 2015 11:21:16 PM | 83

@Wayoutwest@73

The Russians are certainly good at self-promotion and propaganda bombing.

I don't think the takfiris you so much defend would have the same opinion. They are being blown to bits, and that according to your buddy-buddy at the Syrian "Observatory for Human Rights" (sic!).

Islamic State loses 132 members, 70 villages and farmlands in the northeast of Syria

Reading this detailed report you would think they face a conventional army in the Islamic State who sit in buildings waiting for orders while the bombs fall. The IS is a nonconventional force an Urban Guerilla force dispersed across the country in small groups and if there was a command center it was evacuated and empty when bombed just as the training facilities/ school yards were empty.

Wrong again. IS performs and behaves like a conventional army, with entire regions, cities and territory under their control, some of them for years now, with a functioning economy, bureaucracy, the entire infrastructure of a state. They are not a rag-tag guerrilla group, they have ties to the infrastructure they have stolen, gas and oil fields to defend, training grounds, C&C centers, etc. IS might use non-conventional, guerrilla tactics in their fighting, as many armies do, that doesn't turn them into a non-conventional force. A guerrilla moves to fight another day, does not engage in attrition tactics.

The IS fighters were running during this bombing spree but they were running to capture new territory from other rebel groups that the Russians softened up for them.

You pretend to be so well informed. How would you know those details? Your takfiri rats are running all over because their time for reckoning is up, now they have to pay for their crimes, and are being sent to hell in bits and pieces so their master can use them for fuel.

crone | Oct 10, 2015 11:47:30 PM | 86

excellent article up at zerohedge... http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-10/carpe-chaos-isis-israel-iraq-syria-its-all-part-plan

comment section informative also

[Oct 09, 2015] Russian military operation in Syria bolsters oil market, domestic stocks

Oct 09, 2015 | RT Business

Oil prices have risen 12 percent in October to a two-month high. Rising crude coincides with Russia's airstrikes against Islamic State targets in Syria which began on September 30.

The price of Brent in London increased over one percent to $53 per barrel on Friday. US benchmark WTI is trading higher than $50 per barrel for the first time in three months after hitting six-year lows in late August. Other factors contributing to rising oil prices include a weakened dollar and shrinking US production.

Crude prices can be particularly responsive to unrest or violence in the Middle East, one of world's biggest oil-producing regions. While Syria does not have significant oil reserves, crude prices rise over fears the conflict could spread to the broader region.

"Syria is not a crude oil producer-its real significance to the energy markets is not a heightening of its ongoing internal conflict but rather the risk of contagion within the region at large," the Wall Street Journal quotes NUS Consulting Group as saying.

norbert kimar 4 hours ago

"Syria is not a crude oil producer.." the Wall Street Journal.." I thought ISIS etc made $1-2million/day from smuggling Syrian oil.

Nana Akosua -> Baakan Agyiriwah 6 hours ago

LOL, it's all about the war, the fighting, the blood and the gore that makes the stocks rise and the blood boil in delirium. Funny how war makes the cash registers ring and the banksters happy, they don't care who does it, just do it!! what a mad, mad, mad world we live in.

Illya Kuryakin 7 hours ago

So Russia's CIA-Saudi Extermination Policy is paying for itself. Nice!

PeterNZL 11 hours ago

grzeghh

Putin's the man. He scored 7 goals in the ice hockey match in Sochi and that was just
more...

Obama, too, was a skilled athlete. He scored 2000 civilians before winning his Nobel Peace Prize. Remarkable!

[Oct 09, 2015] As oil bust takes hold, Eagle Ford workers losing jobs, pawning goods -

Oct 09, 2015 | www.expressnews.com
Sep 5, 2015 | San Antonio Express-News

Eagle Ford production peaked in March at 1.7 million daily barrels, but then slid six straight months, the U.S. Energy Information Administration reports. The agency expects the field to pump 1.48 million barrels daily in September, still enough to fill 94 Olympic-sized swimming pools every day.

Allen Gilmer, CEO of Austin-based Drillinginfo, said dropping prices chip away at the Eagle Ford.

At $100 oil, most operators can make money.

Because costs for everything from drilling to fracking have come down 30 percent this year, vast swaths of the field still are profitable at $60 per barrel, the oil price for much of the spring.

"The Eagle Ford at $60 a barrel is not a whole lot different than the Eagle Ford at $100 a barrel," Gilmer said.

But crude oil prices around $40 turn the economics of the field upside down, and only 15 percent of the whole field makes money, Gilmer said.

... ... ...

The numbers show an industry fallen on hard times.

The number of drilling rigs working in the Eagle Ford dropped by half in the past year, from 203 to 93. Across the country, more than 1,000 drilling rigs have been stacked.

McMullen County pumped 2.7 million barrels of oil in June, down from 3.6 million barrels the same month last year.

DeWitt County's total property value, much of it based on oil and gas wealth, fell by $1.15 billion this year, down 16 percent.

The Eagle Ford's biggest oil producers have issued a series of gloomy announcements. Houston-based EOG Resources made just $5.3 million in the second quarter, down 99 percent from the same period last year. ConocoPhillips last week said it would lay off 10 percent of its workforce. Marathon Oil Corp. posted a $386 million net income loss for the second quarter.

Dennis Elam, associate professor of accounting at Texas A&M University-San Antonio, said the smaller, more overleveraged shale companies are drilling wells just to pay debt. "They're chasing the water right down the drain," he said.

Now, Zavesky has hired some of his old deputies back and said the police academy has seen a bump in enrollment.

He's also seen an uptick in oil field crime - the theft of tools from work sites and people stripping copper from the drilling rigs parked along the side of the road.

Joy Tipton, who owns the Little White House Country Store in Fowlerton, judges the oil market by what time she starts to hear traffic rumbling down Texas 97. The noise used to start around 5 a.m., with trucks hauling sand, water and oil flowing past her place like a mechanical river. In August, it stayed quiet until around 9 a.m.

Blink-and-miss-it Fowlerton, with 62 residents the last time the Census Bureau bothered to count in 2000, hugs the La Salle-McMullen county lines. In recent months, a small restaurant and oil field supply company closed their doors.

... ... ...

Boom-bust cycle

In some ways, Texas still hasn't outrun the long shadow of the 1980s oil bust, an implosion that took down the state economy. So many people left the industry then, never to return, that there's a gap in the workforce. Nearly everyone is old or young. The industry calls it the "great crew change," and it means that a large part of the workforce never has seen a downturn.

,,, ,,, ,,,

Eric Bell of San Antonio energy services umbrella company Group 42, said the U.S. oil business has gone through the stages of grieving this year. "The first quarter was a complete sense of denial," Bell said.

Then came anger and a "bargaining and sad mopey phase" when everyone talked about how oil would pop to $70 or $80 by summer. It didn't. "Now finally it kind of seems like there's a sense of resignation or acceptance," Bell said. "Some companies are just in trouble."

And yet, the familiar grind of the oil patch continued in so many ways. The Eagle Ford this year still is expected to draw $20 billion in industry investment, far more than any other field, says research firm Wood Mackenzie.

Kim Triolo Feil

if only these guys had the foresight to do BTEX blood/urine baseline testing before a workday and then after a workday...nah these companies come and go so even if they had evidence of being exposed...who they gonna sue to pay their cancer bills if that happens down the road?

[Oct 09, 2015] Oil bust

Oct 09, 2015 | jdeanicite.typepad.com
I cite

excerpt from here

The number of drilling rigs working in the Eagle Ford dropped by half in the past year, from 203 to 93. Across the country, more than 1,000 drilling rigs have been stacked.

McMullen County pumped 2.7 million barrels of oil in June, down from 3.6 million barrels the same month last year.

DeWitt County's total property value, much of it based on oil and gas wealth, fell by $1.15 billion this year, down 16 percent.

The Eagle Ford's biggest oil producers have issued a series of gloomy announcements. Houston-based EOG Resources made just $5.3 million in the second quarter, down 99 percent from the same period last year. ConocoPhillips last week said it would lay off 10 percent of its workforce. Marathon Oil Corp. posted a $386 million net income loss for the second quarter.

Dennis Elam, associate professor of accounting at Texas A&M University-San Antonio, said the smaller, more overleveraged shale companies are drilling wells just to pay debt. "They're chasing the water right down the drain," he said.

South Texans track other economic measures - traffic jams on rural roads or the advertised prices for hotel rooms in the region, now as low as $40.

A few years ago, DeWitt County Sheriff Jode Zavesky lost seven employees in three weeks to the oil field. The police academy in Victoria had to cancel classes because everyone was going to work in the oil field instead. "We've got great benefits," Zavesky said. "But a young guy can't buy diapers on great health insurance."

Now, Zavesky has hired some of his old deputies back and said the police academy has seen a bump in enrollment.

He's also seen an uptick in oil field crime - the theft of tools from work sites and people stripping copper from the drilling rigs parked along the side of the road.

Joy Tipton, who owns the Little White House Country Store in Fowlerton, judges the oil market by what time she starts to hear traffic rumbling down Texas 97. The noise used to start around 5 a.m., with trucks hauling sand, water and oil flowing past her place like a mechanical river. In August, it stayed quiet until around 9 a.m.

Blink-and-miss-it Fowlerton, with 62 residents the last time the Census Bureau bothered to count in 2000, hugs the La Salle-McMullen county lines. In recent months, a small restaurant and oil field supply company closed their doors.

That left Tipton as the only one to give unsolicited advice to oil field workers who stop to buy a soft drink or after-work beer: "Don't speed. Don't eat your dessert before you eat that sandwich. There's a police officer down there."

[Oct 09, 2015] How do consumers respond to lower gasoline prices

Oct 09, 2015 | Econbrowser
The evidence thus is that consumers were indeed responding to the most recent price declines the same way they usually did, namely, by spending most of the windfall. The fact that we don't see this as clearly in the aggregate data suggests that the economy has been facing other headwinds that partly offset the stimulus from lower gasoline prices.

Another consumer response to lower gasoline prices is increased consumption of gasoline itself, though these adjustments take more time to develop. U.S. vehicle miles traveled, which had been stagnant while gas prices were high, have since resumed their historical growth.

... ... ...

And the average fuel efficiency of new vehicles sold in the United States, which had been improving steadily through most of 2014, has fallen with oil prices.

[Oct 09, 2015] Goldman Sachs This Oil Rally Is Not Going to Last

Oct 09, 2015 | www.bloomberg.com

Bloomberg Business

Currie claims that the oil glut is now being sustained by production outside the U.S.

[Oct 09, 2015] A proxy cold war in Syria

Oct 07, 2015 | Peak Prosperity
President Obama recently assured that we're not engaging in a proxy war in Syria. Well this latest news doesn't help sell his story. Boy, the players are getting me nervous. Let's hope things don't escalate and false flags are raised even higher.

Russian Airstrikes In Syria Hit CIA-Trained Rebel Weapons Depot

"Russian airstrikes late Tuesday have destroyed the central weapons depot of a U.S.-trained rebel group, according to its commander. The Liwa Suqour al-Jabalpur rebel group, which opposes Syria President Bashar Assad's authoritarian regime, was trained by the CIA at training camps in Saudi Arabia and Qatar."

sand_puppy

NATO Threatens to send ground troups to Syria

NATO Threatens To Send In Troops After Russia Stations Ground "Battalion" In Syria

Thanks to the fact that the West selected Islamic militants (ISIS) as its anti-Assad weapon of choice, Putin gets to pitch his efforts to defend Assad as a "war on terror."

ZH predicted:

..."the Pentagon will use the gambit of a Russian ground campaign, credible or not, to get permission from Congress to send a 'small', at first, then bigger ground force of US troops in Syria to, you guessed it, 'fight ISIS'....

A commenter after the ZH article notes:

A recently released classified document obtained by WikiLeaks establishes that active US planning for regime-change predated the outbreak of the Syrian civil war by at least five years.

From another article:

The question today is merely one of timing. .... How long before Israeli planes come into contact with Russian or Iranian fighters? How long before U.S. troops come into contact with Russian troops? How long before Israel or Saudi Arabia strike Iran? And if the U.S. backs out completely, how long before the entire dynamic of the Middle East is flipped and America loses petro-status for the dollar? With the speed of events forming a fiscal-political riptide, it is hard to imagine we will be waiting very long to find out.

[Oct 09, 2015] Russias Syria gambit could be a game changer – but only if it hastens transition

Everything that has happened recently is down to this geopolitical struggle the Arab Spring, Crimea, Sochi, MH17, OPEC glut, insane monetary policy... It's all a battle between the New York-London Bretton Woods world order and Putin's vision of a Eurasian Economic Union controlled by a Beijing-Moscow axis. ..."
Oct 05, 2015 | The Guardian

aLLaguz 1 Oct 2015 20:27

It is not that Russia will or wont persuade Assad to step down... western nations don't want to negotiate ... they want Assad out... anything else is NO.
Russia will persuade not Assad.... but western nations to sit and negotiate...

The moment is the best ever for Russia and Assad. The flood of refugees put presure in EU and US to stop the war.... which means that now, the negotiation table is in balance....

ISIS will be wipe out.

Rebels will acquire an important status and drop down weapons with anmesty... maybe a political party ... who knows

Assad will be in power after the war...

New elections will be made ... in time ... democratically, and new rules for minorities...

Russia will maintain its base and its political influence will be greater...

Money for reconstruction will be from China and Russia... Iran also ... which leads to a new Syria allied more tightly to them ... the block will be stronger than ever ..
what else? who knows ....

GoloManner -> makz 1 Oct 2015 17:55

And you know this how, exactly? I mean, do you see no reason why anyone other than an Islamist would oppose Assad?

Initially certainly

But any secular or democratic opposition forces have been annihilated or swallowed up by Islamists as this conflict has descended into sectarian civil war. I wish it weren't the case., I wish the opposition was made up of plucky liberal democrats too but that's just wishful thinking

It is not only my opinion, it is the opinion of experts such as Patrick Cockburn who answered the question of who the moderate rebels were, thus

Well, they aren't is the answer to that. They scarcely exist on the ground. That's one of the extraordinary things about the plan that was announced this week to combat ISIS, the Islamic State, is that in Syria the main opponent of the Islamic State is to be the Syrian armed moderates. But nobody can find them on the map.

The main military force in Syria is the Syrian army, the Syrian government. The main opposition force is ISIS. Then there are a series of other jihadi groups. Like, there's one called Jabhat al-Nusra. It's pretty powerful. It's also the Syrian affiliate of bin Laden's al-Qaeda. So the jihadis dominate that.

So it's kind of saying that everything will depend on these moderates who are to be vetted and trained in Saudi Arabia, and then these poor guys are going to fight not only ISIS, the most ferocious guerrilla group in the world, but the Syrian army. So this is really not a policy. It's kind of make-believe.

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=12373

makz -> threehunglow 1 Oct 2015 15:35

Whilst I am well aware that the Assad government is fascistic in nature, and am familiar with events such as the Hama massacre, I must say that when I was working in Syria, not even a year before all the trouble kicked off, it certainly did not feel like such a dreadful place. I spent a lot of time in Damascus, Hama and Masyaf, and they were all pretty lively places full of people who certainly seemed happy enough. I can't imagine that many people would not happily return to those days, given the reality of the present.

Lillianne -> robertthebruce2014 1 Oct 2015 13:55

Because America wants a new cold war to rebuild its stockpile. America is terrified of world peace - its economy would simply collapse. It doesn't support AlQaeda as such but it's insistent on prodding the Russian bear.

robertthebruce2014 1 Oct 2015 13:29

Why is the West supporting Al Qaida? I thought Al Qaida was responsible for 9/11!?!

Peter Cini 1 Oct 2015 13:21

Hear this and hear this now: The Putin Doctrine has put an end to Anglo-American Regime Change rampages, especially in the Middle East. The days of Washington and London deciding which government will be allowed to survive are over. Farewell to Pox Americana.

Patriotic Americans and Brits will welcome the emergence of Putin the Peacemaker. So will Western Europe unless they want to see the whole region empty out on their doorsteps.

Maybe this is what Obama wants too...

Sergei Konyushenko 1 Oct 2015 12:49

Islamic Holocaust: Western wars have killed AT LEAST 4 million Muslims since 1990

http://www.sott.net/article/303020-Islamic-Holocaust-Western-wars-have-killed-AT-LEAST-4-million-Muslims-since-1990

Vermithrax -> chuckding 1 Oct 2015 12:17

The media that have been using ISIS as the bogeyman to justify western boots on the ground. Lot of effort being made there if it doesn't matter. Obama clearly wanted to bomb Assad so the pipeline through Syria came from Saudi not Iran. Now if he wants to do the Suadi's dirty work for them he'll have to start WW3.

Vermithrax rooster29 1 Oct 2015 12:13

Because they can't attack Assad directly and because their deliberately rubbish campaign against ISIS will be exposed for what it is. I said that in my original post. Pay attention.

Indianrook 1 Oct 2015 11:53

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/01/russia-launches-fresh-airstrikes-on-syria-targets The title of the above news is
"US-backed Syrian rebels say they have been hit by Russian airstrikes." Can The Guardian would explain whom we could call rebels and whom we could call terrorist? By the way The Guardian has not opened the comment option for the above news.

Dean Griffiths 1 Oct 2015 11:20

Though it pains me to say it perhaps the best thing is for the West to back away from Syria and leave it to Putin to sort out. It's been a brave fight by the FSA but the conflict has been raging now for over 4 and a half years with no sign of a decisive military victory. since the war began 1 out of every 100 Syrians has died and 1 in 3 have been displaced and 1 in 4 have fled the country. Now Putin has flexed his Military muscle you would think that it will only be a matter of time until the FSA are defeated, as the West will only back them so far.

I have absolutely no liking for Assad and his regime but it appears to me that it is the only one that may be able to bring some stability to the country and I believe a majority of Syrians do still support him. The west instigated regime change in Iraq & Lybia to get rid of similar dictators and just created instability and a power vacuum which has lead has lead to the grow of ISIS.

If Assad did move aside there is no suggest that Syria would fair any better than Iraq or Lybia. The opposition in the West of the country is fragmented and the Jihadists (who would be left in control of much of the eastern part of the country) would exploit this and there are the Kurds in the north who would be demanding independence. If Assad was to defeat the opposition forces in the West it would only be a matter of time before he turned on the Jihadists in the East. That would in theory at least, allow the West to do more about getting rid of ISIS in Iraq.

lesterburnham15 -> TarquinFintimlin 1 Oct 2015 11:09

Afghanistan does not fall into the middle east geo-political arena lies to the east of Iran, my notion of the middle east encompasses turkey to iran down to yemen. like the Caucasus is southern russia, armenia, azerbaijan and georgia. The great game involve russia v britain control of India, Afghanistan, more central asia.

but what you go on about is lies like your a classic head banger.

TarquinFintimlin -> lesterburnham15 1 Oct 2015 11:00

Really? I seem to remember a certain conflict called Afghanistan. That wasn't that long ago. Russia has also a long history of military bases in Syria. And let's not even start on the Great Game, Russia's involvement in the Caucasus Mountains and the long rivalry between Turkey and Russia in the region. All of that still has a MASSIVE impact on the modern Middle East. And that was LONG before the US was ever involved.

AlexisWolf -> JethrowToumme 1 Oct 2015 10:34

Yeah right. If you think you have to be a Kremlin stooge to see the folly of Western warmongering then you are unable to learn why Iraq/Libya/Afghanistan etc have been such a disastrous criminal failure that risks the safety of us all.

AlexisWolf -> Riaz Danish 1 Oct 2015 10:28

Apx 70% of the Syrian armed forces are Sunni. How does that fit into your ignorant rant?

AlexisWolf -> Roguing 1 Oct 2015 10:25

They're in Syria but they're not Syrian, they come from dozens of countries, that makes them all armed invaders. What would any other country do if it was them being invaded??

Exodus20 1 Oct 2015 10:19

It is all a big game of deception and lie from Iraq, to Libya, to Syria. US is bombing the factions of ISIS which it doesn't control to help the faction which were started by funding from "our friends and allies (ref General Wesley Clark)" and may still control. Russia is bombing the factions which are oppose to Assad which include the factions the West and Saudi are still supporting.

diddoit -> ubipromaya 1 Oct 2015 10:18

The approach seems to have been 'the enemy of my enemy...' to date. Strange how IS seemed to have got stronger and immune to bombing. The Saudis are now furious Russia is bombing , why do you think that is?

Massimo D'Ulisse -> CordTrousers 1 Oct 2015 10:12

Obama is an inept dreamer, and he's preventing an effective solution by demanding Assad removed before anything else on ground of his atrocities. Now, in the worst case, Assad might have killed hundreds, maybe thousands of opposers - but that's 1/100 of the victims of this horrible civil war. So Obama prefers to see this war going on, and an entire populace displaced and moving to Europe, instead of accepting reality - an unhappy one, but still reality.

We must remember that under Mr Saddam Hussein, the number of people dying in Iraq every year was much, much less than the victims of the after-war period.

Sheeba Sunil -> Riaz Danish 1 Oct 2015 10:10

I would say over 70% of Syrian people - including Sunnis, Alawites, Christians, Druze & Shias - support Assad. They all support not for their love towards Assad, instead for their hate towards western funded opposition rebels. Syrian people are largely liberal and moderate. They don't want their country to be ruled by Sharia loving blood thirsty jihadis.

Quite unsurprisingly, western/arab intervention in Syrian war made Assad more popular than ever.

JohnSouttar Riaz Danish 1 Oct 2015 09:52

Assad was swept to power again in elections because of what he represented to the whole country. Peace and prosperity. Christians, Shiites, Sunnis and other ethnicities getting on with each other. Women allowed to vote and stand in elections. A secular state. Most people and families want that but in neighbouring countries would be imprisoned for expressing that view openly. Goodness me most of our best political leaders were from some sort of minority - perhaps even aristocracy. That is the true definition for an inclusive government. Now why did some Arab countries not like that? Do you really think the Syrians want a Chechen emir running their town? Or the Saudis to dictate that they have Sharia law? A world like that we are selling Afghanis out to now run by the Taliban after so many collaborated with us, women who dared to get education and will soon die for it. Given the choice most Muslims are not at all fanatical and that is why so many have come to countries like Britain and Germany.

irgun777 1 Oct 2015 09:51

" Russian aircraft had launched 30 fresh airstrikes against Jaysh al-Fateh, a powerful rebel coalition that includes Ahrar al-Sham and the al-Qaida affiliated al-Nusra Front. "

Guardian today. It looks like the Russian are doing a good job !

hugodegauche 1 Oct 2015 09:50

Imposing failing western systems on Syria will not work. It has not worked in Iraq nor Libya nor anywhere else in the Arab world. Assad is not great but clearly better than those who oppose him (I say better in the purely Hobbesian sense of providing a minimum of governance)

The sensible possible is for Assad to be supported with some tinkering on internal reforms to save everyone's face. Israel needs to remain strong and alert whoever is in power in Damascus or in fact Syria implodes entirely.

stuart255 1 Oct 2015 09:39

This is now beyond ridiculous where the Western media protests Russia bombing "moderate rebels" such as the AL QAEDA affiliated Al Nusra.

Pray tell, who are all of our drones bombing in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan??
Isn't it Al Qaeda affiliated groups?

Putin has trapped us on the wrong side of history, Russia is acting within international law under permission of the sovereign government of Syria and the West is now the deer-in-the-headlights as Russia takes on the role of Global Policeman.

This is a foreign policy disaster. Putin is going to be the power that gets to redraw the Sykes-Picot line and Europe is going to be beholden to Russian gas for the next half century.

In 2012 Putin was elected with the promise of bringing a Eurasian Economic Union to reality and Hillary Clinton whilst Secretary of State publically said that the US sees this as Soviet Union 2.0 and will do everything to stop or slow the progress of Putin's Eurasian Union which would by default be that largest economic zone on the planet by some margin. Thus driving a horse and cart over the Wolfowitz Doctrine.

Everything that has happened recently is down to this geopolitical struggle the Arab Spring, Crimea, Sochi, MH17, OPEC glut, insane monetary policy... It's all a battle between the New York-London Bretton Woods world order and Putin's vision of a Eurasian Economic Union controlled by a Beijing-Moscow axis.

This is the greater context of our time.

JohnSouttar 1 Oct 2015 09:30

You can imagine how humiliating and embarrassing it is to appear on TV complaining about Russia bombing Al Qaida, blaming Assad for the rebel sarin gas attack and 'butchering' his own people and suggesting that the moderate opposition are the answer when in fact they are mostly Libyan and Chechen mercenary killers. One can also see the military advisors tearing their hair out at the political pressure put on them to carry on this charade especially now Russian planes are there. Also how poorly paid the script writers must be. It is not for the benefit of the population, just to pretend to the donors and Congressional lobbies that they are trying. Not very hard I would think.

tiagoTIMAO 1 Oct 2015 09:28

"they make no distinction between different armed groups, Islamist, jihadi or democratic"
kkkkkkkkkkk, show me this democratic groups. The democratic IS, or democratic FSA, or Al-Nursa. You're kidding

Zagradotryad 1 Oct 2015 09:21

The simple fact is there is no 'moderate' Syrian opposition. They all want to wade knee deep in the blood of Alawite children.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sectarianism_and_minorities_in_the_Syrian_Civil_War#Alawites

rooster29 -> Danny885500 1 Oct 2015 09:19

The reason the free market neo-con Tories are attacking the BBC is a matter of ideology. Apart from the distaste of any organisation being run by the state (apart from when it's necessary) they know that any privately owned media such as Sky and ITV will be biased towards and support right-wing governments anyway, making the tax-paid BBC an anachronism. The Tory's plan for the BBC is most definitely eventual privatisation. Demonization by the government and right-wing media is always a first step to the real objective.

rooster29 -> GenoDutch 1 Oct 2015 09:13

BBC the best journalism? You're having a laugh aren't you?

How about this from Sarah Montague, one of their top R4 stars - when she was interviewing Israeli defence minister Moshe Ya'alon she might just as well have given him a soapbox and let him get on with it. After a flood of complaints, BBC head of editorial complaints, Fraser Steel, wrote: "Mr Ya'alon was allowed to make several controversial statements on those matters (conflict with Palestinians) without any meaningful challenge and the programme makers have accepted that the interviewer ought to have interrupted him and questioned him on his assertions."

This is a clear-cut case of deliberate bias on Montague's part (it can hardly be explained by inexperience) I know the vast majority of politicians in the UK are scared stiff to make any Kind of criticism of Israeli policy vis-à-vis the Palestinians, but it's depressing to see one of the top BBC interviewers being cowed into submission as well.

snickid 1 Oct 2015 09:12

Russia's Syria gambit could be a game changer – but only if it hastens transition

The Guardian continues to live in fantasy land over Syria. The grotesque and awful truth is that there are only two sides in the Syrian civil war: Assad and the extreme Islamic fundamentalists:

1. Putin supports Assad.

2. Obama in practice supports the extreme Islamic fundamentalists (apart from ISIS), such as Jaish El-Fateh, who are the only credible armed opposition to Assad.
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Putin is bad, for actively supporting a brutal and corrupt regime in Syria. But Obama is mad as well as bad (worse, in fact, than Putin) for supporting the same fundamentalists whom the US has supposedly been fighting since 2001 in its 'war on terror', and who will commit genocide against all non-Sunnis (and quite a lot of the Sunnis as well), if they ever succeed in defeating Assad.

nearfieldpro -> rooster29 1 Oct 2015 09:11
The BBC is to the British state what Pravda was to the soviet Union

So true, so very true.

Fuel -> erica999 1 Oct 2015 09:08

They're taking out groups that would be pro-Turkish in their interests. Turkey wants a natural gas pipeline to run through Syria and over its land. Russia would then have competition for its natural gas supplies to Europe and the Russian's don't want that.

The pipelines would run from Saudi and Qatar which support ISIS. However, the lure of cheaper gas and breaking the Russian monopoly means Saudi and Qatar have grudging support from the US and Europe, although Europe/US supports the Syrian rebels, i.e. the al Nusra groups because the FSA is wishful thinking. Hence Turkey being happy about ISIS hurting pro-Assad forces and Kurds, while simultaneously providing support to the al Nusra/rebel groups that would be favourable to their regime. ISIS wouldn't, it wants to rule Turkey too.

As Turkey supports al Nusra/Syrian rebels, etc. Russia will take out those groups first and reduce and/or negate European and US interests (cos we won't want ISIS there) and Turkey's influence, which explains the initial bombing patterns. After the al Nusra/rebels/etc. are defeated, Russia will go after ISIS. Russia will have the backing of China and Iran to do this as ISIS has already produced maps that lay claim to territory in Western China and all of Iran.

Basically it's a three-sided stand-off with lots of business and geo-political vested interests at stake. Russia knows Western countries won't risk an escalation by entering and not when lots of people in the West are happy that at least one country is taking on ISIS/al Nusra/etc.

Is this how you do conspiracy theories and troll?

MichelleSegato 1 Oct 2015 09:00

What is the Guardian's definition of moderate opposition? A group is moderate opposition because de US is funding them? Or, because it doesn't perform any beheadings?

What would Obama call a group of Americans armed to their teeth, roaming the US and killing American soldiers? What would Obozo do? What if those Americans were armed by Russia? Would they be moderate for that reason?

GoloManner -> GoloManner 1 Oct 2015 08:58

Oh and in case that's not enough. The group openly pledged allegiance to Al Qaeda in 2013

The al-Nusra Front's pledge of allegiance to al-Qaeda has ended speculation over the suspected ties between the Syrian jihadist group and the Islamist militant network. The announcement came just days after al-Qaeda's leader, Ayman al-Zawahiri, called on jihadis to do everything possible to bring about an Islamic state in Syria.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18048033

rooster29 -> demdike 1 Oct 2015 08:38

"If Iran and Hizbollah involved, it's time for Israel to attack Hizb., in Lebanon."

Maybe you were on holiday dike, but fyi the last time Israel tried to take on Hezbolla they were soundly thrashed, as they were the time before.
If it wasn't for Hezbolla, there would most certainly be hundreds of Israeli settlements scattered all around southern Lebanon by now, in exactly the same way they dominate the Palestinian West Bank, and the Syrian Golan heights. In the absence of an effective Lebanese army to defend southern Lebanon Hezbolla have no choice but to do it themselves. Hezbolla didn't exist before the Israeli invasion of 1982, just like the French Resistance didn't exist before the Germans invaded their country.

Chris East -> MentalToo 1 Oct 2015 08:38

These rebels were put there and paid to create trouble. How do you know that it was Assad's people who attacked them. It was more likely CIA snipers.

lids 1 Oct 2015 08:35

Absolute must listen interviews on today's R4 World at One with MArtha Carney.

1. Patrick Cockburn acknowledged expert stating clearly that there are no moderates in Nort West Syria, Homs etc

2. Chair of Defence Committee stating clearly that any vote in UK Parliament leading to UK bombing Syria would only be a military "gesture"
Any idea that moderates were about to come to the centre stage and lead Syria was childish politics to the extreme.

3 (And Bestof all) Woeful absolutely woeful interview with US Ambassador to UK who, when asked who was representing the moderate view in SYria and could sit round and negotiate Syria's future was unable to name a single person.

Surprised Marta is still in a job after all that. Brilliant journalism from BBC.

GoloManner 1 Oct 2015 08:33

Air strikes against anti-Assad forces – not just Isis

Who cares. They are all Islamists anyway

Let's put this myth to bed once and for all. THERE ARE NO LONGER ANY MODERATE FORCES IN SYRIA. They have long since been destroyed or coopted by Islamist groups.

Moderate forces is a myth that exists only in the head's of US and UK policy makers.

The US recently trained a group of "moderate rebels" and sent them into Syria where they immediately defected to Al Nusra with their weapons. Al Nusra, armed by Saudi Arabia are the Syrian branch of Al Qaeda.

So if Russia wants to bomb them, good. We should sit back and watch the show. I hope they blow them to hell.

irishinrussia -> erica999 1 Oct 2015 08:31

Yes and no. They can not operate without a secure base - Russia lacks the power projection tools (primarily aircraft carriers, bases in friendly neighbouring countries, allied airspace) to operate without that Tartus zone. So their first objective is securing that zone. Furthermore I would be very surprised if they care more for Assad than their own national interests.

However, to help Assad, they must first have a secure base. Furthermore, ignored by the Western media, Assad's forces can not fight IS if their supply and communications lines are not secure and there are other rebels in the way. They also can't leave areas exposed to rebel attack because forces have been diverted to attack IS. Assad's forces must consolidate their hold on a secure rear before they can attack IS strongholds. This is not complicated strategic thinking.

rooster29 -> Vermithrax 1 Oct 2015 08:27

"Once again Putin outplays Obama. "

No he hasn't. Putin has been trying to organise co-ordination with the US towards a solution in Syria for at least three years. The Americans don't want to have anything to do with the Russians, and they certainly don't want a solution in Syria. They want to keep the Middle East and Afghanistan in a perpetual state of destabilisation, and they are succeeding, which isn't difficult considering their military is bigger than the rest of the world combined.

Rudeboy1 astoirin 1 Oct 2015 08:15

The best the Russian airforce can deliver is some form of close air support to the SAA. Unfortunately, for them, the SAA has not shown the inclination or ability to press home attacks regardless of support. The recent actions in Idlib and the Ghab plain being cases in point. After 5 years the SAA are still hopeless and just never seem to learn.

easterbeilbs 1 Oct 2015 08:13

In another article U.S. Defence Chief Carter is quoted as saying "Russia risks escalating the civil the war".

How much worse can it get? It's been going on for 4 1/2 years, up to 250,000 have been killed and millions displaced. What is he talking about?

The answer is. He doesn't know.

This article suggests the west supports the Syrian Opposition Forces. But it does not.

The west is playing a very light hand because the Syrian Opposition Forces, established during the Arab Spring quickly became a fighting branch of the 'Muslim Brotherhood in Syria' who seek to set up an Islamic State.

The other forces, as indicated being bombed by the Russians, include the al-Qeada affiliated al-Nusra.

So the Russians, perhaps rightly, are not limiting themselves to ISIS targets, rather those who are at the front line against Assad.

The west needs to end its oil drip fed obsession with the Saudi led gulf nations as it's the 'Islamic Revival' from these regions that have spawned al-Qeada, the Taliban, ISIS, and a whole heap of other extremist groups.

BalanceIt MentalToo 1 Oct 2015 08:06

If you compare Independent coverage on the Middle East to coverage from the mainstream you'll start to see a significant divergence.

An independent examination of the financial motivations behind why the US (and UK) behaves as they do would be a start but you'll never see that from Fleet Street. Secondly a contrast between the attempted Syrian overthrow and past overthrows like Libya and Iraq and Afghanistan. Why do Fleet Street insist on assuming it will be alright if the UK would just start bombing the country. It's wilful blindness because there is an agenda to take over any country which hasn't yielded its financial infrastructure to the US financial hegemony.

It's a reason to watch China and Russia building up their competing financial infrastructure. That's the real conflict between Russia and the US. Again not covered by Fleet Street because they have, in essence, been told not to.

It's certainly subtler than being told not to run a story. It would be indicated to them what areas need coverage and what must be avoided. Russia must be evil. The US must be sincere although can be considered naive or partially foolish but not too much. As the BRICS bank comes online and as they actively compete with US domination watch more stories come up about how China is so evil.

The US has no right to attempt to overthrow a Government of another land.

rooster29 1 Oct 2015 08:00

After the UK media being long-time silent on indiscriminate civilian deaths (used to be called 'collateral', but they don't call it anything now) resulting from US-led bombing of Syria, they are now going bananas over civilian deaths (allegedly) after just one sortie by Russia, which the Daily Hatemail calls 'carpet bombing'.

At this rate Russia will surely be accused of genocide before the week is out. It would be funny if it wasn't for the fact that people actually believe this shit, as well as all the other lies, like Russia only giving the Americans 'one-hour's notice'. What do they think Putin was doing at the recent summit at the UN for God's sake? Israel and Russia agreed eleven days ago in Moscow to coordinate military actions over Syria in order to avoid accidentally trading fire, and the US didn't know about this??? Of course they did.

The Guardian doesn't come out of this well, being as they joined the rest of the pack, leading with this 'one-hour notice' bullshit. Have they got no one paying attention? Or do they just copy what others are making up? makes me wonder, I tell you.

JohnSouttar 1 Oct 2015 07:59

If I use a shotgun on a gang of armed men breaking into my house I will go to prison. They will sue me. If the police shoot an unarmed man not much happens at all. Gadaffi and Assad shoot armed protestors and they must get killed, replaced and go to court. Ukraine protestors throw petrol bombs, fire at police and deserve our support. Protestors and police shot with same gun means that elected government must go. We do something illegal like invade Iraq - all ok. Russia do something legal like support the Syrian government at their request then dare to bomb an Al Qaida outfit ………. Does Putinbot mean someone who has opened their eyes and noticed the elite are scantily clad today?

paulcrawfish 1 Oct 2015 07:50

Russia's goals are discussed by BBC journalist, Jonathan Marcus, on their online site today and I couldn't agree more with the sense behind their objectives.

"It wants to see the so-called Islamic State defeated and some order restored in Syria, where it has long maintained a strategic interest. It believes Western policy in the region has been self-serving and wildly naive. Existing regimes have been toppled leaving little more than chaos in their wake."

We need to join forces with Russia and stop the ridiculous pro-Gulf position of replacing Assad with Al Nusra and its affiliates. Islamic fundamentalism is the biggest evil in the world currently. This is whether the fundamentalist agrees with violent means or just propagates their tribalist religion to others who then are so inspired that they adopt violent means.

raykaram01 1 Oct 2015 07:43

"game change" about time.

Four and a half years left to the USA and the West and what have we seen? More misery for the Syrian people. Even those in Turkey had enough. Why? Nobody cared for them to have a descent life or have any hope of return.

Otherwise, the article tells us that they rely on reports from the region. Unless I see it personally with my own naked eyes, I do NOT believe any one.

Russia might force the West and Turkey to stop playing politics and start doing the right thing by the Syrian people. Otherwise, all of the glory may go to the Russians.
But, most of all, where is true journalism? Has Al Jazeera converted all of them.

Rob Rob 1 Oct 2015 07:35

Assad has been looking tired in recent months, which is hardly a surprise really. I first really began to notice him from his January 2013 Damascus speech, which made obvious to me his high intellect and absolute loyalty to his people. Assad is in realty no dictator, and to be dealt the hand the West has played over and over again has prolonged and deepened the agony of his people.No matter how fast he clears the invaders they are rapidly reinforced with Western Arms and money. Why so? He has been forced to clear and smash to rubble every area over and over again. Cameron did a great job of pretending to look thoughtful when presented with Washington's intelligence ,upset as they were to have not been informed of the plan.

But who in their right mind would trust the Administration of 2015? It's a great shame to have this unspoken trust so vexed and bend out of shape to the point of total dismay!

America is not the Angel it once was,they seem to have gotten rid of all the good ones and replaced them all with total madmen....The insanity is in Washington and coming to your very own street all too soon. Thanks for nothing, Yanks! GO home! Everything to touch turns to crap right now..:( What you all need to do is worry about Fukushima and the endless unfolding of death it is bringing to your people and this Planet.

paulcrawfish 1 Oct 2015 07:21

Regime change is a mad policy. The West's policy is bizarre and will just end up with Al Nusra and its affiliates in power. They are promoted by Qatar and Saudi Arabia and to keep them happy we've ridiculously decided that they are the realpolitik choice because better than Islamic State. However, clearly Assad is actually a better choice than Al Nusra if you're a minority, so I support Russia taking out all Islamic groups. Keep Syria secular!

retsdon JohnSouttar 1 Oct 2015 07:15

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/a-sense-of-despair-is-sweeping-through-iraq-this-email-from-my-driver-in-baghdad-proves-it-10509799.html

Good piece in case you missed it.

brokedog 1 Oct 2015 07:12

I love how the US likes to blame Russia for things America is doing. There is fuck all anti Assad forces besides Isis affiliated ones. America is still basically arming Isis against Assad

ustas6873 1 Oct 2015 07:10

Even if a bombs exploded in an empty desert the US would still have accused Russia of all sins. The United States has no purpose to fight with the ISIS, it is necessary to destroy the al-Assad. And they will achieve this by any means, including the support of supposedly moderate opposition and generally ISIS.

Massimo D'Ulisse 1 Oct 2015 07:07

The US have no credibility.

Whatever they say about Mr. Putin, it will be easy for him to dismiss it saying "who provided that information? the same intelligence that reported that Iraq had mass destruction weapons to justify the second Gulf Ware?"

And if the Russians make more mess, Mr Putin will have an easy game saying "you did mess up the whole region, so what do you want to teach us?"
Reality is that the US really cocked up everything in Middle East, and now if we really want to get rid of ISIS, realistically we have to side with Mr Putin and the despicable Mr Assad.

Realworldview
Direct Russian military action in the Middle east is certainly a new development, in this case Syria, but given many other nations including the UK have been engaged in military action in this area for decades, so why should anyone be surprised Russia has finally decided to have a go at supporting its own geopolitical interests.

The virtually immediate mainstream media reaction to the first Russian airstrikes typified by headlines like "US accuses Russia of 'throwing gasoline on fire' of Syrian civil war" in the Guardian and similar headlines in many other media sources, demonstrates just how one sided the "information" or better "propaganda" war is. To provide some balance, these two article published on Zero Hedge are worth reading - Propaganda War Begins: Russia's Syria Strikes Targeted US-Backed "Moderate" Rebels and This Is How Russia Handles Terrorists: Moscow Releases Video Of Syria Strikes that ends with this this statement, which should give one food for thought, but probably won't, and certainly not by US, UK and European political and military elites:

The bottom line going forward is that the US and its regional and European allies are going to have to decide whether they want to be on the right side of history here or not, and as we've been careful to explain, no one is arguing that Bashar al-Assad is the most benevolent leader in the history of statecraft but it has now gotten to the point where Western media outlets are describing al-Qaeda as "moderate" in a last ditch effort to explain away Washington's unwillingness to join Russia in stabilizing Syria.

This is a foreign policy mistake of epic proportions on the part of the US and the sooner the West concedes that and moves to correct it by admitting that none of the groups the CIA, the Pentagon, and Washington's Mid-East allies have trained and supported represent a viable alternative to the Assad regime, the sooner Syria will cease to be the chessboard du jour for a global proxy war that's left hundreds of thousands of innocent people dead.

undersinged 1 Oct 2015 07:01

Editorials like this dismay me. "Transition"? Why? Assad may represent a minority, but that's a good thing. Because the Alawites are a minority, they tolerate the religious and ethnic diversity that exists in the country. If he were to go, whoever replaced him, whether Shia or Sunni, would probably try to impose an absolutism on the country, suppressing all other sects, with possible outcomes including multiple decades of war and/or tyranny, possibly including genocide.

The West's attempt to encourage democratic revolutions in that part of the world was catastrophically misguided. A stable, reasonably competent government is best left alone, even if you don't think it's as democratic as it should be, or if you don't agree with some of its ideology. Destabilizing states tends to open Pandora's box.

MahalaM -> Samuelepicurus 1 Oct 2015 06:59

Your missing the bit where the US had been working with the Syrian 'opposition' prior to 2011 and used legitimate protest as cover to send in their extremists. Assad has operated an amnesty for combatants prepared to come back and fight for the Syrian army. You think he set loose ISIS?

Al Nusra came from Al Qaeda in Iraq and ISIS are a branch of that. Assad has lost 60% of his territory to ISIS - he took care of the "FSA" back in 2012 - it makes no sense that he would be supporting the US armed Jihadis just on the offchance the West were going to come in and take them out for him. I'm sure he saw the videos of how Western intervention worked out for Gaddafi and Hussein

inequitable -> B5610661066 1 Oct 2015 06:37

Indeed. Over 100 killed at a recent wedding. Saudi Arabia is indiscriminately devastating one of the poorest Countries in the ME with US support using banned cluster bombs supplied by the US firm Textron and funded by HSBC and other leading banks.

rentierDEATHcult 1 Oct 2015 06:24

In 2012, Defence Sec Leon Panetta said this: "I think it's impor­tant when Assad leaves - and he will leave - to try to pre­serve sta­bil­ity in that coun­try. And the best way to pre­serve that kind of sta­bil­ity is to main­tain as much of the mil­i­tary, the police, as you can, along with the secu­rity forces, and hope that they will tran­si­tion to a demo­c­ra­tic form of gov­ern­ment. That's a key"
http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/07/30/panetta-says-when-not-if-al-assad-falls-syrian-military-should-remain-intact/

So the priority for Washington (& other EU NATO members) is to preserve the current regime - the military apparatus, police state, and the secular architecture of Syria - but dispose of the House of Assad as part of a political agreement.

Russia, despite its loyalty to the current regime (which goes back decades), will sacrifice Bashar al Assad if it can continue benefitting from the lucrative arms trade and maintain its naval and military installations in the country.

Trouble is, this cosy international arrangement has overlooked something, quite, important. The vast majority of the Syrian people!

Has somebody stopped to consider that they may want to take full advantage of this (historic) opportunity to opt for some (real) change - instead of window dressing?!

And America's record of supporting/promoting real change is a dubious one, to say the least.

I'm sure a lot of Egyptians are, still, seething at the moral gymnastics performed by Washington during the Arab Spring before seeing Pax Americana repose back into its (default) setting of supporting the military junta in Cairo.

Any 'change' overseen by the international powers is guaranteed to be NO CHANGE AT ALL. Sure, the Assad family will, probably, go into exile but the regime will continue - blessed by the very same forces that have sponsored the bloodletting of the current regime in Damascus.

WalterCronkiteBot 1 Oct 2015 06:05

We keep hearing about this transition process involving the credible opposition. The credible opposition are the SNC and FSA apparently.

How the SNC are (or at least were) really a group of non Syrians including Bilderberg attendees and people from Kissinger backed think tanks. Supported by Human Rights reports from a man working from his home in Coventry.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/jul/12/syrian-opposition-doing-the-talking

Two UN reports detailing FSA war crimes, and explaining that they enforce Sharia law. Of course Assad's crimes are covered too.
http://daccess-ods.un.org/access.nsf/Get?Open&DS=A/HRC/19/69&Lang=E
http://daccess-ods.un.org/access.nsf/Get?Open&DS=A/HRC/19/69&Lang=E

These are the moderates that represent Syrian people... who are funded by the US, aren't Syrian, and have their military wing running Sharia courts. They are about as credible as Peter Andre. I dare say he would do a better job.


LeftOrRightSameShite -> LordDespencer 1 Oct 2015 06:03

given that it is Assad's "governmentalism" that led to the chaos on Syria.

Certainly contributed to it. There is also evidence that the US as of 2006 was looking to seize upon an opportunity to oust Assad. Events in 2011 provided just that.
This US cable released by Wikileaks provides more details.

There is also evidence the US had mercenaries operating in Syria (and Libya) in 2011/12. Against Assad of course.

Tony Blair in a 2006 speech to the World Affairs Council in LA proclaimed:

"we need to make clear to Syria and Iran that there is a choice: come in to the international community and play by the same rules as the rest of us; or be confronted"

Bit rich isn't it? What did he mean by "confronted" do you think? What's the agenda then? Again, Tony provides enlightenment:

"For me, a victory for the moderates means an Islam that is open: open to globalisation"

hmm
I've got a whole archive of links such as the above. If they prove one thing, it's that this whole episode is rotten and we are being fed stories that often distract from real intention.

seamuspadraig -> LafayetteInFrance 1 Oct 2015 05:29

The Saudis know full well that only a ground force can finally eradicate ISIS.

ISIS is Saudi Arabia's ground force in Syria.

kimorris 1 Oct 2015 05:26

In the 1980's film Threads the similarity with the unfolding Syria story is chilling. In the film Iran is the country of conflict, after an exchange of conventional weaponry the USA detonate a single battlefield nuke. Escalation ensues until all out global thermonuclear war continues to it's conclusion, destruction of most of the planet. It should be remembered the USA is the only nation to have used nuclear weapons in war.

AXWE08 1 Oct 2015 05:19

The narrative from Washington is more and more divorced from reality. The hope was that ISIS and/or Al Nusra would ultimately deplete Syria's limited military resources and remove Assad and the Baathist government that had held Syria together for decades - regardless of the resulting consequences to the Christian, Jewish and Alawite population in that part of Syria. The Neoconservative strategy has now been frustrated by Russia and the bluster from Washington is that the Russian targets were not 'legitimate' - as if one type of terrorist is officially approved by Washington and others not. It has been a commonplace that the US/Saudis are behind ISIS and Al Nusra and this response gives the game away. What is this grip the NeoCons have on American thinking? Putin has his shortcomings, but he towers above Obama and his horrid crew of western leaders.

ThomasPaine2 1 Oct 2015 04:56

The Americans don't really make good foreign policy decisions. I'm struggling to think of any single foreign adventure they haven't fucked up totally.

Why they think they are good at it beats me.

Assad, like him or loathe him, is a relatively stable, sane, locally popular and established leader. I suspect that the reason for all of this chaos in the ME is to keep Israel's enemies divided. The death and destruction it causes, matters not.

For America to accuse Russia of pouring fuel on the fire is like David Cameron calling for the humane treatment of pigs.

BalanceIt -> MentalToo 1 Oct 2015 04:42

The US has forced violent regime change in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya. How are those countries doing? Terribly is the answer. In Syria the US, through its proxies Suadi Qatar Turkey, have been attempting a violent overthrow of ANOTHER regime leading to yet another humanitarian catastrophe. None of these moves by the US and Russia are about democracy, to claim they are is lunacy.

And no The Guardian is not independent, everyone in the industry knows big newspapers run these types of stories past the security state before publishing.

SHA2014 1 Oct 2015 04:39

Sometimes it is worth reading the Telegraph:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/11140860/Qatar-and-Saudi-Arabia-have-ignited-time-bomb-by-funding-global-spread-of-radical-Islam.html

SHA2014 -> huffingtonboy 1 Oct 2015 04:10

Fixation on barrel bombs seems to be the code word for delegitimization. Let us start talking of daisy cutters, phosphorus bombs cluster bombs and the like, used by US and allies in recent attacks on civilian areas.

[Oct 09, 2015] Bank Of England Tells British Banks To Reveal Their Full Exposure To Glencore And Other Commodity Traders

See Glencore - Wikipedia: "According to an Australian Public Radio report, "Glencore's history reads like a spy novel".[14] The company was founded as Marc Rich & Co. AG in 1974 by billionaire commodity trader Marc Rich, who was charged with tax evasion and illegal business dealings with Iran in the US, but pardoned by President Bill Clinton in 2001.[15] He was never brought before US courts before his pardoning, therefore there was never a verdict on these charges."... "In 2005, proceeds from an oil sale to Glencore were seized as fraudulent, in an investigation into corruption in the Democratic Republic of Congo (Allen-Mills 17 June 2008)" ... "In May 2011 the company launched an IPO valuing the business at US$61 billion[26] and creating five new billionaires.[27] Trading was limited to institutional investors for the first week and private investors were only allowed to buy the shares from 24 May 2011." ... "A BBC investigation in 2012 uncovered sale documents showing the company had paid the associates of paramilitary killers in Colombia. In 2011, a Colombian court had been told by former paramilitaries that they had stolen the land so they could sell it on to Glencore subsidiary Prodeco, to start an open-cast coal mine; the court accepted their evidence and concluded that coal was the motive for the massacre. Glencore refuted the allegations" ... ""In Ecuador, the current government has tried to reduce the role played by middle men such as Glencore with state oil company Petroecuador" due to questions about transparency and follow-through, according to Fernando Villavicencio, a Quito-based oil sector analyst." ... A visual Relationship Map of Glencore executive board and stakeholders with their connections.
Oct 09, 2015 | www.zerohedge.com

Overnight we got confirmation that Glencore has indeed become a systemic risk from a regulatory standpoint after the FT reported that the Bank of England has asked British financial institutions to reveal their full exposure to commodity traders and falling prices of raw materials amid concerns over the impact of the oil and metals slump. Or, in other words, their exposure to Glencore, Trafigura, Vitol, Gunvor and Mecuria.

Dr. Engali

The BOE is trying to figure out who is going to need a bail out before shit hit the fan.

Edit: Oh by the way, that 11% move to the upside is short covering not a sign that Glencore is okay you dumb fucks.

"The shares jumped as much as 11 percent in London". "Analysts promptly cheered the move"...., Idiots.

junction

Why is the Bank of England protecting Stemcor, the mining giant owned by the Oppenheimer family? Former PM Tony Blair is probably the person responsible, protecting MP Margaret Hodge She should have been sent to prison in 1994 for her role in protecting the pedophile ring operating in the London Borough of Islington instead of going to Parliament. Hodge is an Oppenheimer family member who backed Blair.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/04/16/uk-stemcor-restructuring-steel-...

Dubaibanker

Glencore has closed Dubai office. https://www.difc.ae/glencore-investments-dubai-limited

Glencore has closed Singapore http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/news/glencore-to-close-down-sin...

Glencore has sold Nickel project for pennies in Brazil http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/28/us-horizonte-glencore-idUSKCN0...

Glencore has fired hundreds in Australia http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-09/glencore-slashes-queensland-jobs-n...

Glencore will fire thousands in Zambia and shut some operations http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/23/us-zambia-mining-glencore-idUS...

Glencore has closed a mine in South Africa and laid off hundreds http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/10/07/uk-glencore-safrica-idUKKCN0S11...

I have heard they fired hundreds in Zug...does anyone have a link?

Kayman

"The BOE is trying to figure out who is going to need a bail out before shit hit the fan."

More precisely, the BOE is trying to figure out how much money will be needed to stiff the taxpayers on behalf of their swill drinking friends.

kliguy38

Glencore was a massive Ponzi from the start and designed to fail. When it goes it will pull a 2 Trillion in derivatives down its rabbit hole. They know it and they're stalling for another bagman to take the derivatives. gl with that one.

[Oct 09, 2015] Is russian oil production peaked ?

Oct 09, 2015 | peakoilbarrel.com

AlexS, 10/04/2015 at 5:11 pm

RE: Russian oil production statistics from various sources

Ron,

I personally never questioned the reliability of Russian oil statistics. But as you have repeatedly raised this issue, I did a brief assessment of the data from various sources.

The Russian Energy Ministry provides very detailed data on oil + condensate production by each Russian producer on a daily basis. As in Soviet times, these numbers are reported directly by the companies to the Ministry. They can be easily verified as all oil produced is transported by pipelines owned by the state –owned Transneft. Small quantities are processed for internal use by the companies at mini-refineries, but their throughput is also reported to the ministry.

The Ministry reports production in tons without converting it in barrels per day. However other sources (including Russian and foreign oil companies operating in Russia) use conversion ratios at 7.33 and 7.3 for Russian oil production. In the table below I calculate both numbers.
NGL production is reported separately and is not included in C+C numbers.

IEA oil production statistics include C+C+NGLs, however in their recent monthly Oil Market Reports the IEA is also mentioning C+C production for Russia. These numbers are very close to the data provided by the Russian Energy Ministry. In the past, the IEA did not disclose separate numbers for the Russian C+C, and it was first mentioned in the May OMR (p.25):

"Despite sanctions and lower oil prices, Russian producers managed to maintain crude oil output near record levels through April, hovering around 10.7 mb/d since the start of the year. Including gas liquids, Russian output exceeded 11 mb/d in both March and April."

Note, that the IEA works closely with Russia and gets data directly from the Russian Energy Ministry.

The EIA has detailed oil and other liquids production data for many countries and releases it excel format:

(International Energy Statistics, Petroleum Production http://www.eia.gov/cfapps/ipdbproject/IEDIndex3.cfm?tid=50&pid=53&aid=1). This is very useful when you don't have other sources of data. However in many cases the EIA does not get information directly from national sources and uses third party data. Besides these numbers are relatively rarely updated and in some cases look incorrect. For example, their newest international oil production data are for April 2015.

The EIA also publishes "Total liquids supply" data for the key producers in the STEO, where the numbers are updated monthly. (STEO excel file, Table 3b. Non-OPEC Petroleum and Other Liquids Supply).

Note that the updated numbers for Russia in the September STEO are 143 kb/d higher for April and 132 higher for March, compared with the EIA International Energy Statistics. Given that the EIA constantly estimates Russian refinery processing gains at 26 kb/d, we can easily calculate C+C+NGL production estimates up to August by subtracting 26 kb/d from the STEO Total liquids numbers.

As a result, as can be seen from the table below, EIA's C+C+NGL production estimates for Russia are only marginally below the IEA's numbers (the average discrepancy for Jan.-Aug. 2015 is ~40 kb/d).

You can also note that the EIA's estimate for Russia's NGLs output in the first 4 months of 2015 is around 755kb/d, while the IEA's number is only ~350 kb/d. I think that the EIA classifies all or part of Russian condensate production as NGLs, while in the IEA and the Russian Energy Ministry's statistics it is included in the C+C output.

Finally, JODI data is based on national statistics. As it says on its website: "The data are submitted by the national authority of the participating country. These data are considered authoritative and are not subject to alteration by any of the JODI partner organisations." (https://www.jodidata.org/about-jodi/faqs.aspx). Nevertheless, in some cases JODI
data differs significantly from national statistics. JODI does not explain its methodology, and its officials do not respond to emails to comment on why its data differs from figures provided by national agencies.
JODI provides data on both Russian oil and NGL production. NGL data is much higher than IEA's numbers, but slightly lower than the EIA.
JODI data is released with significant delay to the IEA and especially to national statistics. I also noticed that, unlike the IEA, they generally do not update the numbers released earlier. That can partly explain, why JODI numbers for Russia are lower than data from other sources. On average, JODI's C+C+NGL numbers for January-July 2015 are
203 kb/d lower than IEA and 164 lower than EIA.

In general, all serious experts on Russian oil industry use the official numbers provided by the Energy Ministry.

Russian oil production statistics from various sources

shallow sand , 10/04/2015 at 5:33 pm

I think Russian production would be easier to measure given it is much lower decline, there aren't as many companies nor as many governmental agencies measuring it.

It appears to me US data is the most variable and likely inaccurate.

Dennis Coyne, 10/05/2015 at 3:48 pm

Hi Ron,

I think AlexS has solved the discrepancy between the EIA/JODI data and the IEA/Russia data. It is mostly a matter of how pentanes plus should be classified.

The EIA puts some of these(field or wellhead pentanes plus) in the C+C category and the pentanes plus produced during natural gas processing (to produce dry gas to ship to customers) is included in the NGL category. Canada and Russia group all pentanes plus together in the condensate category (which makes perfect sense from a chemistry perspective), this accounts for about a 400 kb/d difference between EIA estimates for Russian C+C and the Russian Energy ministry estimates. The rest of difference might be due to the EIA assuming a different estimate for the density of Russian C+C (possibly they use the density of the Urals blend which would have a reciprocal of 7.25 barrels per metric ton) than the IEA (which uses about 7.31 barrels per metric ton).

AlexS, 10/05/2015 at 10:15 am

Dennis,

In fact, the lighter is the barrel, the more barrels are in 1 ton.
43961 ktons reported by the Energy Ministry for September
is 10741 kb/d with 7.33 conversion ratio
10697 kb/d with 7.3
10551 kb/d with 7.2
10404 kb/d with 7.1
10258 kb/d with 7.0
10111 kb/d with 6.9

As I said earlier, the most widely used ratio is 7.33 (the numbers in Reuters and Bloomberg articles, as well as all Russian statistics by Energy Intelligence, etc.) and 7.3 (apparently used by the IEA)
I also prefer 7.3, as I think the average Russian barrel is heavier than 7.33.

That said, the Russian oil output is getting lighter due to the growing share of new fields in eastern Siberia, Far East (Sakhalin) and some other regions. Thus, according to Platts, the Urals blend API is 31.55 API,
ESPO (East Siberia) is 34.8, Sokol and Vityaz (Far East) are 39.7 and 34.4 API degrees, respectively.
(Source: http://www.platts.com/im.platts.content/insightanalysis/industrysolutionpapers/espoupdate0510.pdf )
So in theory, as the share of lighter crudes rises, the conversion ration should also increase. But I doubt that the IEA, EIA or JODI are changing their conversion ratios.

The EIA and JODI do not specify which conversion ratios they are using for Russia. If they are using 7.2 or 7.1, that could partly explain the discrepancy between their numbers and Energy Ministry and the IEA numbers.

However the key difference is the volume of condensate and NGL output. It seems that JODI and the EIA account most of condensate production as NGLs. Therefore, their NGL volumes for Russia are much higher than the IEA, and their C+C volume estimates are lower than the numbers provided by the IEA.
The IEA normally reports only combined C+C+NGL volumes, but this year they also include C+C production numbers for Russia (in the OMR main text). By subtracting C+C from C+C+NGL we get the IEA's estimate for Russian NGL production at 340-350 kb/d in the past several months. This compares with the EIA's 755 kb/d average monthly estimates (January-April) and JODI's 710 kb/d estimate (January-July).

I think that the IEA's numbers are more accurate, as in 2010 they published a study on global NGL production, where they carefully analyzed NGL and condensate production for the key producing countries using national statistics, as well as information provided by individual companies.
("Natural Gas Liquids Supply Outlook 2008-2015." IEA, April 2010. http://www.iea.org/publications/freepublications/publication/ngl2010_free.pdf )
Here are their numbers for Russia's output levels in 2008:
Condensate: 356 kb/d
"Other NGLs": 180 kb/d
Total NGL and condensate: 536 kb/d

From the IEA report: "The Russian Ministry of Oil and Energy does not report NGLs per se, but they do report LPG and condensate production per company. In this study we have applied the reports of LPG and condensate production per company as a starting point to arrive at a proxy for Russian NGL production. Based on the reported figures at August 2009 the LPG production of Russian gas processing plants was 230 kb/d, while the condensate production was 361 kb/d, a total of 591 kb/d."

In this report, the IEA projected a sharp increase in Russia's "Condensate and other NGLs" production from 536 kb/d
In 2008 to 817 kb/d in 2015. Indeed, as we know now, both condensate and NGL output has increased even faster in the past few years due to: 1) increasing production of wet gas, 2) better utilization of previously flared associated gas, and 3) development of several new gas condensate fields. Thus, in the first quarter of 2015, gas condensate output jumped 18% year on year to 7.86 million tons (~640 kb/d) due to the launch of new production facilities in West Siberia, primarily by Novatek and Gazprom Neft. As per the IEA numbers, NGL output also almost doubled from 180 kb/d in 2008 to 340-350 kb/d in 2015.

Apparently, JODI did not researched as deep as the IEA into the Russian NGL and condensate output, so they account most of condensate as NGLs.
As regards the EIA, their list of sources for International Energy Statistics [http://www.eia.gov/cfapps/ipdbproject/docs/sources.cfm] does not include the Russian Energy Ministry. This is rather strange, as they get data from the national agencies of such countries, as Cuba, Mongolia and others. Apparently their numbers for Russia are based on statistics from JODI, the IEA and the "Russian Energy Monthly, Eastern Bloc Research" (never heard of it).

That said, I do not suspect JODI and the EIA of being biased against Russia. These are just different statistical methodologies.

Ronald Walter , 10/05/2015 at 10:34 am

If you measure 100 cc of oil in a graduated cylinder, since the density, specific gravity, is less than water, 100 cc of oil will weigh less than 100cc of water. 1 cc of agua weighs 1 gram, 1 cc of oil will weigh less than one gram, you will need more oil, a greater volume, to obtain a weight of one gram for the oil.

A metric ton of oil will occupy a volume greater than one cubic meter, more barrels.

AlexS , 10/05/2015 at 11:51 am

Russian crude oil and NGL production (kb/d)
Source: JODI

Longtimber, 10/06/2015 at 3:40 pm

Jan 2012 Refineries came on line (?) Mother Russia keeps the good stuff for value added high density i.e.. Diesel/jet fuel? Russian polymers in the 90's were terrible and next to useless for packaging. Many markets now well supplied with SABIC Polymers. https://www.sabic.com/americas/en/productsandservices/plastics/

AlexS, 10/06/2015 at 4:13 pm

In January 2012 JODI changed its methodology and started treating Russian condensate production as NGL

Stavros H, 10/05/2015 at 7:36 am

No, Russian production is genuinely at an all-time high. It's not like the Russians count Lukoil's production in Iraq as "Russian" LOL!

Consider also that Russia is under sanctions specifically designed by the West to harm its oil output.

Peak-oilers are over-eager to claim that country "X" or "Y" has peaked in terms of oil production. This is often not the case.

The only countries that have peaked in oil production, are the capital rich ones of the West. The reason for that is very clear. Those countries started exploiting their oil reserves earlier, and even more importantly have had the capital and technology to extract even the most marginal of deposits. Even in those cases, ultra-cheap financing can lead to temporary booms (US shale, Canadian sands) even if production takes place at a considerable financial loss.

Countries like Iraq, Iran, Russia or Kazakhstan still have lots of untapped reserves.

This also partly explains the current World Crisis that could even escalate into WWIII.

Glenn Stehle, 10/05/2015 at 7:45 am

There's an interesting article in OilPrice on Russia:

http://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Is-Russia-Plotting-To-Bring-Down-OPEC.html

The author uncritically accepts the myth of the "Great American Shale Revolution," which, as you say, is a play in which "production takes place at a considerable financial loss."

Nevertheless, the take-away is the importance that oil and gas play in geopolitics.

Frugal, 10/05/2015 at 8:51 pm

Countries like Iraq, Iran, Russia or Kazakhstan still have lots of untapped reserves.

Which oil reservoirs are untapped in these countries?

[Oct 09, 2015] Troubles with refinanciang in shale industry

Oct 09, 2015 | peakoilbarrel.com
AlexS, 10/06/2015 at 5:14 pm

Willbros Group amends credit facilities

October 5, 2015
http://www.ogfj.com/articles/2015/10/willbros-group-amends-credit-facilities.html

Willbros Group Inc. has completed amendments to its 2015 term-loan and ABL credit facilities. The amendments establish less-stringent term loan financial covenants beyond the end of the first quarter of 2016 that are designed to address the impact of current market conditions.
Consistent with the company's expected revenue levels for 2016, the ABL commitment has been reduced from $150 million to $100 million, with an accordion feature to expand up to $175 million to accommodate future revenue growth.
These amendments also enable Willbros to proceed with its asset sale initiatives, including the sale of its Professional Services segment, which will allow the company to strengthen its balance sheet through debt reduction.
The amended financial covenants are more aligned with current market conditions and the company's performance objectives, and the amendments approve the sale of certain assets, including discrete assets that it may market in future periods. Net proceeds will be used primarily for debt reduction and secondarily for working capital.
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PDC Energy extends maturity of revolving credit facility

October 2, 2015
http://www.ogfj.com/articles/2015/10/pdc-energy-extends-maturity-of-revolving-credit-facility.html

PDC Energy Inc. has extended the maturity of its revolving credit facility by two years to May 2020. The borrowing base has been reaffirmed at $700 million of which the company has elected to keep its commitment level at $450 million.
CFO Gysle Shellum stated, "We are very pleased with the support of our bank group and its agreement, given the current market conditions, to not only reaffirm our current borrowing base, but to also extend the maturity of the revolving credit facility by two years. This liquidity and flexibility provides us the ability to continue operating with a clear focus on maintaining favorable debt metrics and executing on our strategic vision of delivering shareholder value through continued production and cash flow growth, and strong returns."
PDC Energy's operations are focused on the horizontal Niobrara and Codell plays in the Wattenberg field in Colorado and on the condensate and wet gas portion of the Utica shale play in southeastern Ohio.
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Chesapeake amends revolving credit facility

October 1, 2015
http://www.ogfj.com/articles/2015/10/chesapeake-amends-revolving-credit-facility.html

Chesapeake Energy Corp. has amended its five-year, $4 billion revolving credit facility agreement maturing in 2019 with its bank syndicate group.
Key attributes include:
• Facility moves to a $4 billion senior secured revolving credit facility from a senior unsecured revolving credit facility
• The initial borrowing base is confirmed at $4 billion, consistent with current availability
• Previous total leverage ratio financial covenant of 4.0x trailing 12-month earnings before interest, depreciation and amortization (EBITDA) is suspended
• Two new financial covenants include a senior secured leverage ratio of 3.5x through 2017 and 3.0x thereafter, and an interest coverage ratio of 1.1x through the first quarter of 2017, increasing incrementally to 1.25x by the end of 2017.
Chesapeake's credit facility may become unsecured when specific conditions set forth in the credit agreement are met. During an unsecured period, the total leverage ratio would be reinstated and the senior secured leverage ratio and interest coverage ratio would no longer apply. While Chesapeake's obligations under the facility are secured, the amendment gives Chesapeake the ability to incur up to $2 billion of junior lien indebtedness. As of Sept. 30, Chesapeake has $12 million in outstanding letters of credit under the facility with the remainder of the $4 billion available.

AlexS, 10/06/2015 at 5:16 pm

New Source Energy Partners updates on pending borrowing base deficiency

September 29, 2015
http://www.ogfj.com/articles/2015/09/new-source-energy-partners-updates-on-pending-borrowing-base-deficiency.html

New Source Energy Partners LP, due to a pending borrowing base deficiency under its revolving credit facility, will be prevented from paying the quarterly cash distribution on its 11% Series A cumulative convertible preferred units.
"While it was the Partnership's intention to pay this distribution, there are covenants in our credit agreement with our reserve based lending group that prevent our ability to make the payment while in a deficiency," said Kristian Kos, chairman and CEO. "We are not in a deficiency at this time. However, based on initial communication from our reserve based lending group, we expect to be in a borrowing base deficiency after our biannual redetermination takes place in early October, which will prevent us from making a distribution on Oct. 15. We will be working with our lenders to finalize the new borrowing base over the next several days, as well as exploring alternatives to remedy the deficiency to allow the Partnership to resume making distributions on the preferred units as soon as possible."
New Source Energy Partners is an independent energy partnership engaged in the production of its onshore oil and natural gas properties that extends across conventional resource reservoirs in east-central Oklahoma and in oilfield services that specialize in increasing efficiencies and safety in drilling and completion processes.
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Bill Barrett reaffirms borrowing base

September 29, 2015
http://www.ogfj.com/articles/2015/09/bill-barrett-reaffirms-borrowing-base-sells-certain-uinta-properties.html

Bill Barrett Corp.'s (NYSE: BBG) semi-annual borrowing base review has been completed with the bank group reaffirming the $375 million borrowing base related to its revolving credit facility maturing in April 2020. The credit facility has $375 million of commitments and there are currently no borrowings under the credit facility.
As part of the redetermination process, the company and its lender group agreed to amend the maintenance covenants in the revolving credit facility by replacing the leverage covenant limiting the maximum total debt to trailing 12-month EBITDAX ratio of 4.0x with a covenant limiting the maximum senior secured debt to trailing 12-month EBITDAX ratio of 2.5x through March 31, 2018, after which the leverage covenant reverts to a maximum total debt to trailing 12-month EBITDAX of 4.0x, as of June 30, 2018. In addition, an interest coverage ratio requirement was included, pursuant to which the ratio of EBITDAX to interest expense may not be less than 2.5 to 1.0 for each quarter through March 31, 2018.
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Approach Resources confirms reaffirmation of lender commitments in credit facility at $450M

September 28, 2015
http://www.ogfj.com/articles/2015/09/approach-resources-confirms-reaffirmation-of-lender-commitments-in-credit-facility-at-450m.html

Approach Resources Inc. has completed the scheduled semiannual borrowing base redetermination of its revolving credit facility, and as a result, the bank group has set the lender commitment amount and borrowing base at $450 million.
Under the terms of the credit agreement, the bank group redetermines the borrowing base semiannually, using the banks' estimates of reserves and future oil and gas prices. The next borrowing base redetermination is scheduled to occur by April 1, 2016. As of Sept. 24, Approach had $276 million outstanding under its revolving credit facility, resulting in liquidity of $177 million.
Approach Resources is an independent energy company focused on the exploration, development, production, and acquisition of unconventional oil and gas reserves in the Midland Basin of the greater Permian Basin in West Texas.

AlexS, 10/06/2015 at 5:17 pm

Enterprise increases capacity of bank credit facilities to $5.5B

September 17, 2015
http://www.ogfj.com/articles/2015/09/enterprise-increases-capacity-of-bank-credit-facilities-to-5-5b.html

Enterprise Products Partners LP's operating subsidiary, Enterprise Products Operating LLC, has increased its bank credit facilities by $500 million to provide the company with up to $5.5 billion of aggregate borrowing capacity.
The facilities consist of an amended $4 billion multi-year revolving credit agreement that matures in September 2020 and a new $1.5 billion 364-day revolving credit agreement, both of which are unconditionally guaranteed by Enterprise on an unsecured and unsubordinated basis. As of today, aggregate available borrowing capacity under the increased bank credit facilities is $4.7 billion.
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Gastar borrowing base maintained at $200M

September 1, 2015
http://www.ogfj.com/articles/2015/09/gastar-borrowing-base-maintained-at-200m.html

Gastar Exploration Inc. has completed its second scheduled borrowing base redetermination of its revolving credit facility for 2015 and, as a result, the borrowing base has been reaffirmed by the lending participants at $200 million.
Currently, Gastar has drawn $65 million under its revolving credit facility, resulting in $135 million of unused borrowing capacity. The next scheduled borrowing base redetermination is to occur by May 1, 2016.
Gastar's principal business activities include an emphasis on unconventional reserves, such as shale resource plays. In Oklahoma, Gastar is developing oil-bearing reservoirs of the Hunton Limestone horizontal play and expects to test other prospective formations on the same acreage, including the Meramec shale play (middle Mississippi Lime) and the Woodford shale play, which Gastar refers to as the STACK play. In West Virginia, Gastar is developing liquids-rich natural gas in the Marcellus shale play, and has drilled and completed two dry-gas Utica/Point Pleasant wells on its acreage.
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RSP Permian completes bolt-on Midland Basin acquisitions and increases borrowing base

August 26, 2015
http://www.ogfj.com/articles/2015/08/rsp-permian-completes-bolt-on-midland-basin-acquisitions-and-increases-borrowing-base.html

RSP Permian Inc. closed an amendment with the lenders under its revolving credit facility that, among other things, increases the borrowing base 20% to $600 million. The company currently has no amounts drawn under its revolving credit facility and the next scheduled borrowing base redetermination is May 1, 2016.

AlexS, 10/06/2015 at 5:21 pm

Exterran Holdings secures financing to enable spin-off of businesses

October 6, 2015
http://www.ogfj.com/articles/2015/10/exterran-holdings-secures-financing-to-enable-spin-off-of-international-services-and-global-fabrication-businesses.html

Exterran Holdings Inc. (NYSE: EXH) has provided an update to the planned financing in connection with its previously announced separation.
In November 2014, Exterran Holdings said that it intends to separate its international contract operations, international aftermarket services, and global fabrication businesses into a stand-alone, publicly traded company named Exterran Corp. Upon completion of the spin-off, Exterran Holdings, which will continue to own and operate its contract operations and aftermarket services businesses in the US, will be renamed Archrock Inc.

As previously announced, Exterran Corp. entered into a $750 million revolving credit facility on July 10 that would become available upon the completion of the separation and the satisfaction of certain other conditions. On Oct. 5, Exterran Corp. amended and restated the credit agreement to provide for a new $925 million credit facility, consisting of a $680 million revolving credit facility and a $245 million term loan facility. The revolving credit facility will have an interest rate subject to a leverage grid with an expected initial interest rate of LIBOR plus 2.75%. The term loan will carry an interest rate of LIBOR plus 5.75%, with a 1.00% LIBOR floor.

Availability under the new credit facility is conditioned upon the completion of the separation and the satisfaction of certain other customary conditions. The revolving credit facility will mature five years after the effective date of the separation transaction, and the term loan facility will mature two years after the effective date of the separation transaction.
The new credit facility includes, among other covenants, financial covenants requiring Exterran Corp. to maintain (after the separation) an interest coverage ratio of not less than 2.25:1.00 and a total leverage ratio of not greater than 3.75:1.00. Should Exterran Corp. refinance the term loan facility with the proceeds of certain qualified unsecured debt or equity issuances, the financial covenants in the revolving credit facility will be modified to require that Exterran Corp. maintain a total leverage ratio of not greater than 4.50:1.00 and a senior secured leverage ratio of not greater than 2.75:1.00, while the interest coverage ratio will not change. Such capitalized terms are defined in the amended and restated credit agreement.
In connection with the spin-off, Exterran Holdings anticipates that Exterran Corp. initially will borrow under its new credit facility and transfer an amount of proceeds to Exterran Holdings which, when taken together with the proceeds from borrowings under the Archrock credit facility as described below, will enable Exterran Holdings to repay all of its existing indebtedness.
As of June 30, on a pro forma basis after giving effect to the spin-off, Exterran Corp. would have borrowed and transferred to Exterran Holdings approximately $539 million. Subsequent to June 30, and prior to the completion of the spin-off, Exterran Holdings expects to incur additional borrowings under its existing credit facility of between $40 million and $50 million to finance expenses related to the completion of the spin-off, which will increase the amount that Exterran Corp. borrows under its new credit facility and transfers to Exterran Holdings.
Also, Exterran Holdings entered into a $300 million credit facility on July 10 that would become available upon the completion of the separation and the satisfaction of certain other conditions. On Oct. 5, Exterran Holdings executed a first amendment to the credit agreement that, among other things, increases the aggregate commitments under the revolving credit facility from $300 million to $350 million. The revolving credit facility includes, among other covenants, financial covenants requiring Archrock Inc. to maintain (after the separation) an interest coverage ratio of not less than 2.25:1.00 and a total leverage ratio of not greater than 4.25:1.00 (except that the maximum total leverage ratio during a specified acquisition period will be increased to 4.75:1.00), as those capitalized terms are defined in the credit agreement. The revolving credit facility will have an interest rate subject to a leverage grid with an expected initial interest rate of LIBOR plus 1.75%.

[Oct 09, 2015] WTI Crude Tops $50, Energy Stocks Soar To Biggest Week Since 2008 (But Credit Aint Buying It)

"... output from the world's biggest consumer drops and Shell and PIMCO claim the worst may be over (while Goldman sees lower for longer suggesting this rally is a squeeze). However, while Energy stocks and raw materials are soaring, credit markets remain notably less impressed. ..."
"... at $50 big oil will maintain dividends and bonuses but cut capex to the bone. kick the can bitchez. ..."
"... ..."
Oct 09, 2015 | www.zerohedge.com

Zero Hedge

WTI Crude is back above $50 to its highest in almost 3 months following a 10%-plus gain on the week (the 2nd best since Jan 2009). This surge has sparked the biggest surge in European and US Oil & Gas stocks since 2008 as Bloomberg notes, output from the world's biggest consumer drops and Shell and PIMCO claim the worst may be over (while Goldman sees "lower for longer" suggesting this rally is a squeeze). However, while Energy stocks and raw materials are soaring, credit markets remain notably less impressed.

... ... ...

As Bloomberg reports,

Oil may rise to a "baseline" of about $60 a barrel in one year's time as the impact of supply cuts becomes more evident from early 2016, Greg Sharenow, an executive vice-president at Pimco, said in an e-mail. U.S. crude output is down about 440,000 barrels a day from a four-decade high of 9.61 million barrels in June.

Still, companies remain cautious after a rally earlier this year was shortlived. While production cuts may help draw a line under the rout, prices are set to remain "lower for longer" because of excess inventories, according to Pimco, which manages $15 billion of commodity assets. Shell plans for a long stretch of low prices, Van Beurden said this week in London.

"People could be thinking, how much worse can it get from here, so there's a rotation from short positions to long," Michael Powell, a managing director of investment banking at Barclays Plc, said in London this week. "Then you ask, is this the spring of this year all over again?"

buzzsaw99

at $50 big oil will maintain dividends and bonuses but cut capex to the bone. kick the can bitchez.

Herdee

Suckers rally, just manipulated like all markets in order to give big oil in the U.S. the chance to hedge on the downside for winter recession. All the crooks on Wall Street need another load of suckers for a big fat pay check before Christmas.

LawsofPhysics

Who gives a shit about paper bullshit?

Some people will have access to the calories and commodity chemicals required to maintain a decent standard of living. Most will not.

Same as it ever was...


[Oct 09, 2015] Problem of toxic water disposal in shale industry

"... An oil crisis is eventually inevitable -- and it is inevitable that the oil will be burnt – somewhere. Where doesn't matter in environmental terms. The best imo we can hope for politically is to slow down oil consumption so it lasts a little longer. ..."
"... If Ron is right about Peak oil happening shortly, i.e. within a year or two, the tune might change. To quote OFM "In the event of a real crisis we may wish like hell for a non existent Keystone". ..."
"... Told me something very interesting. He said, that he and other guys in his industry aren't drilling for oil, but rather some were drilling "Water Injection Wells." Says, companies have to continue drilling these deep wells to get rid of the toxic water that comes from extracting oil, especially shale oil. ..."
"... He also says as shale wells get older and lose production it becomes even less commercially viable to keep the well pumping when they have to inject higher volumes of water back into the ground that are coming via the shale oil industry. ..."
"... I thought ROCKMAN'S post on peak oil.com, which Jeffrey referred to here recently was very telling. Something like 30% of the EFS wells completed in July, 2014 are presently shut in. That is a terrible percentage. Peruse the monthly ND well production report. Lots of shut in wells in ND too. Many are not Bakken, but quite a few are, which is not good considering the play is not ten years old. ..."
"... I'd say a company such as Whiting is not looking good right now. SEC PDP PV10 will be less than long term debt at year end, production is falling, still cash flow negative and still must drill and complete wells to keep production from falling of a cliff. ..."
"... So to summarize: of the 129 EFS wells that began producing in July 2014: 40 wells (31%) suffered a 100% decline rate per year. Actually it's higher since not all produced for the entire 12 months but I'll let that slide: there were 4 wells that stopped producing after a month or so and only recovered less than 6,000 bo each. And the 89 wells still producing in July 2015: they have suffered a decline rate of 73%. ..."
"... Electric expenses are only second to labor in most water floods IMO, and many times can even be higher than labor. However, chemicals also are a major expense. ..."
Oct 09, 2015 | peakoilbarrel.com

Old Farmer Mac, 10/04/2015 at 1:05 pm

... ... ...

An oil crisis is eventually inevitable -- and it is inevitable that the oil will be burnt – somewhere. Where doesn't matter in environmental terms. The best imo we can hope for politically is to slow down oil consumption so it lasts a little longer.

We have a somewhat better shot at limiting coal consumption because wind and solar power plus gas can be readily substituted for coal.

This comment is about what WILL be rather than what OUGHT to be.

Ovi, 10/04/2015 at 8:00 pm

... ... ...

If Ron is right about Peak oil happening shortly, i.e. within a year or two, the tune might change. To quote OFM "In the event of a real crisis we may wish like hell for a non existent Keystone".

If the environmental lobbies were really concerned about CC, they should be pushing for a North American approach on how to deal with all oil production, not just focused on Canadian oil.

SRSrocco, 10/04/2015 at 1:58 pm

Ron & Group,

Maybe some of you that are working in the field can add to this. I had a phone conversation with a fella who has been looking for oil in Texas, Louisiana and Oklahoma for the past 30+ years. Says… he knows just about everyone looking for conventional plays in his neck of the woods.

Told me something very interesting. He said, that he and other guys in his industry aren't drilling for oil, but rather some were drilling "Water Injection Wells." Says, companies have to continue drilling these deep wells to get rid of the toxic water that comes from extracting oil, especially shale oil.

Says this could become a big issue going forward as the EPA may start cracking down on this further. He also says as shale wells get older and lose production it becomes even less commercially viable to keep the well pumping when they have to inject higher volumes of water back into the ground that are coming via the shale oil industry.

Would love to see if anyone else here can comment on this.

shallow sand, 10/04/2015 at 2:19 pm

Depends on the well.

Bakken wells seem to produce less water as they age. Mississippian production in KS and OK seems to have a high water cut, making same uneconomic. EFS and Permian more of a mixed bag.

Earthquake issues arise from these wells, not from the frac itself.

shallow sand, 10/04/2015 at 2:57 pm

Steve. I'm not entirely sure on water cut in Bakken, seems it does vary well to well.

Just as with any other oilfield, some wells are better than others.

As I have pointed out here many times before, OPEX per BOE usually is lowest immediately after the well is completed, especially if it is flowing.

I thought ROCKMAN'S post on peak oil.com, which Jeffrey referred to here recently was very telling. Something like 30% of the EFS wells completed in July, 2014 are presently shut in. That is a terrible percentage. Peruse the monthly ND well production report. Lots of shut in wells in ND too. Many are not Bakken, but quite a few are, which is not good considering the play is not ten years old.

LTO economic issues are coming home to roost. Just hard to say how much longer banks and investors keep propping it up.

I'd say a company such as Whiting is not looking good right now. SEC PDP PV10 will be less than long term debt at year end, production is falling, still cash flow negative and still must drill and complete wells to keep production from falling of a cliff.

However, no personal liability for debt and hype can keep extend and pretend going for a long time, maybe long enough to kill a lot of other high cost production.

SRSrocco, 10/04/2015 at 3:17 pm

shallow,

I couldn't agree more about your assessment of the current state of affairs in the U.S. Shale Oil Industry. Actually, I have found out a lot of data by reading many of your comments here in the blog. I have been a bit low-key in commenting lately, but I still enjoy reading many of Ron's posts and comments.

As you may be aware, I have my own blog, https://srsroccoreport.com/ . It's a precious metal website that includes energy into the mix. Energy is excluded by most precious metal analysts… which I find completely frustrating to say the least.

While some label me a Gold or Silver Bug, I look at the precious metals as stores of economic energy… whether that be oil, gas, coal or human-animal labor. I agree that the "Extend & Pretend" model has been going on longer than most realized. However, when it finally cracks, I would stand very far away from anything tied to debt… STOCKS, BONDS, REAL ESTATE and etc.

So, it will be interesting to see how things play out this fall if we finally get the Stock Market Crash from hell.

steve

Dennis Coyne, 10/06/2015 at 11:25 am
Hi Shallow Sands,

They started drilling in the Bakken in 1953. Very few wells that started producing in 2007 have stopped producing, only 3% in the Bakken/Three Forks. For wells starting production in 2008 about 5% of wells have stopped producing, for 2009 wells 3% have stopped producing.

I define "stopped producing" as 12 months or longer of zero output counting back from the most recent month reported. I used the data through Feb 2015 so these numbers may have changed somewhat over the past 8 months.

I question whether Rockman used a reliable method for reporting on the Eagle Ford. In many cases the RRC will report output as zero when the company has not yet reported output for a lease (or the data is pending review for accounting reasons), Drilling info gets its data from the RRC and the data is not very complete. The 30% of wells that Rockman claims have stopped producing in the Eagle Ford may just be an artifact of this incomplete data.

Ron Patterson , 10/06/2015 at 1:21 pm
The 30% of wells that Rockman claims have stopped producing in the Eagle Ford may just be an artifact of this incomplete data.

I really don't think so. Rockman wrote:

So to summarize: of the 129 EFS wells that began producing in July 2014: 40 wells (31%) suffered a 100% decline rate per year. Actually it's higher since not all produced for the entire 12 months but I'll let that slide: there were 4 wells that stopped producing after a month or so and only recovered less than 6,000 bo each. And the 89 wells still producing in July 2015: they have suffered a decline rate of 73%.

I don't think Rockman would make such a silly mistake as you suggest. It appears to me that he is tracking each well and the 40 that dropped out did so at different times and simply never returned to production.

Dennis Coyne, 10/07/2015 at 11:43 am
Hi Ron,

I don't have access to the Drilling info database so perhaps you are correct. I am very skeptical of Rockman's claims. I think he assumes that because output is reported as zero, that the output is in fact zero.

I followed some Eagle Ford wells for a while and the "missing output" is often just delayed reporting which shows up later. For a better test Rockman would have to look at wells that started producing in July 2013 and see how many of those wells were still producing in July 2014, that would avoid most of the delayed reporting artifacts.

If he did so he would probably find that 5% or fewer wells had stopped producing (where this is defined as zero production for 12 consecutive months or more).

Rune Likvern, 10/04/2015 at 4:22 pm
Steve and FWIIW,
In December 2014 I presented an analysis based on work by Enno and I that showed actual developments for water cut for LTO wells in Bakken (lots of charts).
General trend is that water cut (and GOR) increases as the LTO wells ages.
http://fractionalflow.com/2014/12/11/will-the-bakken-red-queen-outrun-growth-in-water-cut/
shallow sand, 10/04/2015 at 5:18 pm
Rune. Thanks! I thought maybe you had addressed this.

I think an interesting exercise related to the high decline and increasing water cut would be to assume a company, such as Oasis, we're to cease all drilling, completion and refrac work.

Is there any way OAS, who I think is 100% ND and MT, could come close to retiring debt at the present strip.

I would note OAS is attempting to sell all of its non-Bakken/TF acreage and production.

A confidentiality agreement is required to view the data. The public data indicates 625 BOEPD from 95 wells. I looked at MT site, several wells are shut in. Looks the same for ND.

I read the article Jeffrey linked comparing LTO wells to water soluble houses. I can't really tell what is better for these companies. Keep drilling at a loss or stop and try to pay down debt. What a deal.

Might be amusing if we weren't in a pickle with much of our production also.

Jeffrey J. Brown, 10/05/2015 at 6:42 am
A rough metaphor for the shale players is the book and movie "Thinner," by Stephen King. A gypsy places a curse on the lead character, who weighs about 300 pounds. No matter how much he eats, he loses weight, and only by consuming vast quantities of food per day is he able to minimize the weight loss.
Rune Likvern, 10/05/2015 at 8:15 am
shallow,
I posted the chart below some weeks ago.

The chart shows Oasis credit and debts stacked (columns) along their retirement profile (time axis) and the growing lines (using October-15 as baseline) shows estimates on Oasis cumulative net cash flow with oil prices at respectively $50/b and $70/b [WTI] and no wells added post October-15 (this causes a steep decline in LTO production).

The chart assumes that the credit facility is fully utilized by October 2015.

With average oil price of $50/b Oasis may clear the first hurdle, the second one (due Feb 2019 becomes challenging).
With average oil price of $70/b Oasis may find it difficult to meet debt retirements as from 2022.

How oil prices develop is a big if, but I expect these to be low for some time. The other thing is possible rollovers of debts.
To me the best strategy in a low oil price environment would be to stop drilling (LTO) wells that has the prospects of becoming unprofitable [due to the high front end loaded production]…..and pray for a higher oil price.

Fred , 10/04/2015 at 2:20 pm

EPA's regulations require that all onshore "produced water" be reinjected, very few exceptions. Of course, as well age, the water cut increases and reinjection becomes a significant cost factor.
Boomer II , 10/04/2015 at 2:45 pm

Says this could become a big issue going forward as the EPA may start cracking down on this further.

Given the corporate and political opposition to the EPA, I can envision waste water wells being regulated at the state level.

Oklahoma Acts to Limit Earthquake Risk at Oil and Gas Wells – The New York Times

Watcher, 10/04/2015 at 2:59 pm

Noted last post, I suspect we have underestimated OPEX for shale out years. Lower oil output means the onsite tanks fill slower to be off loaded by less frequent truck visits.

But the trucks for production water still have to make the trip to drain the faster filling water tanks.

John S, 10/04/2015 at 9:49 pm

SRSRocco,

A water injection well is a different animal to me than a "water disposal well". An injection well is used in field operations to maintain reservoir pressure by injecting water or reinjecting gas into the reservoir and would be drilled by the operator not a third party service provider. Water would probably have to be treated chemically before injecting into a reservoir.

A salt water disposal well is used to dispose of produced water that is a by product of field operations. Often these are drilled and operated by 3rd party service contractors but many times an operator will drill and operate its own disposal wells.

In Texas, the general rule is that produced salt water from one surface tract can not be disposed of on a another surface tract without the consent of the surface owner. Consent is generally given in return for a per barrel fee. It is my experience, that operators take advantage of surface owners in this regard especially when the surface owner is absentee. Other times the surface owners operate these wells as a business and accept produced water from many different operators.

Some surface owners also sell fresh water to operators as a business too.

Large unitized fields generally have their own disposal wells for produced water and the operators run them as part of the unit operations.

Many salt water disposal operators try to convert old abandoned wells into disposal wells. There has to be a formation with enough porosity and permabilty to take the water either on a vacuum (which is the ideal situation) or on a pump which takes a lot of electricity to operate.

shallow sand , 10/04/2015 at 10:58 pm

John S, good comment.

How much electricity it takes to dispose of produced water makes a big difference in well economics right now.

In my experience, it takes more pressure, and thus more electricity, to inject water in the producing zone, as opposed to disposing of water in the most suitable non-producing zone.

Electric expenses are only second to labor in most water floods IMO, and many times can even be higher than labor. However, chemicals also are a major expense.

Having a salt water disposal well that can take a lot of water on a vacuum or at low pressure can be an asset. I have recently seen some commercial disposal wells for sale, with monthly net income as high as $30K.

A good water supply well is also very useful in water flood operations. However, very important that the water can easily commingle with water in the producing zone. Otherwise, tremendous chemical expense and/or down hole problems may result. Also, tends to clog lines.

I would say most US water floods are not doing well economically at present. In the last thread had a discussion about an MLP, Mid-Con, and their expenses.

Many MLP are heavy into water floods. Also, think OXY and Chevron are big water flood players in the Permian, in addition to CO2 floods. I think many CO2 floods originally were water floods.

MBP indicated secondary and tertiary production is still profitable in the Permian. Would be interested to see OPEX, taxes and G&A for some of the larger water and CO2 floods.

Kinder Morgan has two of the largest CO2 floods in SACROC and Yates. Might see if they break out those costs. I think they have an advantage in that they own a lot of CO2 transmission lines.

[Oct 09, 2015] Possible super spike in oil prices

"... CAPEX cutbacks will bite hard after a lag period and supply will be unable to meet demand which may lead to a super spike in oil prices, followed by recession and lower demand. ..."
"... In my view, that might happen not earlier than the beginning of next decade. There is still a surplus in the market of around 2 mb/d. It would take time before it is erased. As prices start to rise again, there will be additional supply from Iran, Iraq and Brazil. Libyan oil will also eventually return to the market. ..."
"... Super spikes in oil prices are possible in the future. The oil industry is cyclical and is known for big fluctuations in prices. But I do not think that potential price spikes in the next decade is what is seriously worrying the Saudis at this moment. So their decision not to cut output now seems quite logical to me. ..."
"... I believe that Canadian oil sands and US LTO output will fall faster than OPEC anticipates and may bring supply and demand into balance by June 2016 (assuming OPECs demand forecast is correct). ..."
Oct 09, 2015 | Peak Oil Barrel
AlexS, 10/06/2015 at 12:09 pm
Dennis,

You said: "Here is the problem if OPEC follows the path that you suggest. CAPEX cutbacks will bite hard after a lag period and supply will be unable to meet demand which may lead to a super spike in oil prices, followed by recession and lower demand."

In my view, that might happen not earlier than the beginning of next decade. There is still a surplus in the market of around 2 mb/d. It would take time before it is erased. As prices start to rise again, there will be additional supply from Iran, Iraq and Brazil. Libyan oil will also eventually return to the market.

Finally, while LTO output might indeed "begin to crash in 2016" if oil stays below $50, the shale industry will not be killed. After all, the necessary infrastructure remains in place; there is a vast fleet of drilling rigs and fracking equipment. Some companies might go bust, but their assets will be bought by bigger and stronger players. Financial markets will be cautious and access to capital for LTO producers will be more difficult, but it will not be cut. I agree that "LTO may not rebound as fast as some believe", but I think it will take no longer than 6 to 9 months. If and when WTI reaches $65 LTO industry will show first signs of life, and at $75-80 it will resume steady growth.
Annual growth rates of 1 mb/d are in the past, but 500 kb/d are quite possible, probably not for 7-8 years, as Mark Papa says (see Ron's link below), but at least for 4 -5 years.

Super spikes in oil prices are possible in the future. The oil industry is cyclical and is known for big fluctuations in prices. But I do not think that potential price spikes in the next decade is what is seriously worrying the Saudis at this moment. So their decision not to cut output now seems quite logical to me.

Dennis Coyne, 10/07/2015 at 12:21 pm
Hi AlexS,

Well if your assumptions about new oil coming to market are correct then there will be no danger of a superspike in oil prices.

I don't think $70/b oil will cause a lot of new output to come to market. The Saudis export about 8.8 Mb/d of crude and petroleum products, an extra $20/b amounts to $176 million per day or $64 billion per year.

For all of OPEC about 27 Mb/d of crude plus products are exported, so raising oil prices by $20/b increases revenue by $520 million per day (assuming 1 Mb/d lower output) or about $190 billion per year.

The oil market may adjust very smoothly in the absence of any cartel action, but this will be historically unprecedented.

I have a little faith in markets, but you must be a true believer in free markets. I am not, markets need some regulation and in the absence of the RRC or OPEC, the oil market will be Volatile.

Rune Likvern, 10/06/2015 at 3:45 pm
Shallow,
I am much on the same page as AlexS here.
It is hard to know what OPEC's true objectives are; there is a lot of chatter in the media.
I noticed KSA recently (again) cut the price to some of their Asian customers.

A lower oil price stimulates consumption (demand) and there are some new developments that still may grow the supply side. Then there is Brazil, Iran, Iraq and Libya (to name some).

To me the big unknown is how demand, especially in emerging Asian economies develops and the slowdown in China's imports of commodities (iron ore, coal, nat gas etc) are signs of a slowing economy. China has been pulling their neighbors, so as China slows so will others.

If one follow the commodities flows to China through the Chinese factories the end products normally ends up with consumers all over the world. Lower commodity prices may be a sign about consumer's general financial health (a demand issue). These are indicators that may be helpful in understanding directions for global oil demand.

There are also some reports about China now filling their strategic petroleum reserve. In other words, what one needs to do is break the demand into consumption and stock build.
OECD has a huge (and growing) stock overhang which needs to be worked through.

Now I hold it 70+% probable that OPEC will not cut during their next meeting later this year.

Dennis Coyne , 10/07/2015 at 1:22 pm
Hi Rune,

Interesting.

I would think that $50/b will not result in a lot of new oil coming from Brazil, Iraq is in chaos, Libya about the same so probably not a lot of new supplies coming from any of those 3. We might see some new output from Iran, the question for me is will this offset the declines in Canada, US, and the North Sea due to CAPEX cutbacks. You are correct that there are a lot of stocks out there, so any danger of a spike in oil prices is minimized by the excess stocks (roughly 250 million barrels based on OPEC's Monthly report in September).

I believe that Canadian oil sands and US LTO output will fall faster than OPEC anticipates and may bring supply and demand into balance by June 2016 (assuming OPECs demand forecast is correct).

The slowdown in China may be positive for many Asian nations that compete with China exporting their products to other nations, but only if there is not a bigger fall in exports to China than the increase in exports to other nations. The fall in the value of the Yuan in August may help China's exports.

Most economic forecasts have World growth at about 3% in 2015, these are not much better than long term weather forecasts so we will find out in time.

One thing I would say is that if AlexS and Rune agree on a forecast of the oil industry, it is likely correct.

On the other hand Jeffrey Brown and Steve Kopits seem to think the oil market will become tight sooner rather than later.

I just don't know what the future will bring.

AlexS, 10/07/2015 at 1:49 pm
Dennis,

IEA, EIA and OPEC forecast that supply and demand will be balanced by 4Q 2016 ,
and they anticipate relatively modest increase in Iran supply and no increase in Libya.
That means that global crude and products inventories will continue to increase for at least the next 3 or 4 quarters, although not as fast as in the first half of 2015.
Once the balance is reached and then demand starts to exceed supply, it will take time before the excess volume of inventories is wiped out.

[Oct 09, 2015] Open Thread, Oil and Gas

"... Seems like that add pops up a lot. With WTI averaging about $46 for Q3 and right there yet today, seems like OIL BUST is now the more appropriate term. ..."
"... Oil production and related liquids is generating about $5 billion per day less worldwide than it did in the 2012-2014 time frame. Big transfer of funds from one group to another. ..."
"... Saudi Arabia, with its huge foreign reserves, could withstand for 3 or 4 years at $50 oil. By that time, prices will improve. ..."
"... We could live with 60-70% of the 6/14 high for quite awhile, which would be $63-74 WTI. ..."
"... That price range sounds about right for 2016, but I think we may see it creep up by 2017 (maybe at a 5 to 10% annual rate of increase) because those prices will not be enough to encourage much investment so demand will outstrip supply and drive oil prices up. I think it likely we will see $100/b by 2018 (possibly higher), if the peak has arrived by 2018 (and output is either on a plateau or slowly declining) then oil prices may head to about $150/b within 3 to 5 years, though a recession would put a damper on the oil price rise eventually (within 1 or 2 years of reaching $150/b is my WAG.) ..."
Oct 09, 2015 | peakoilbarrel.com
Oct 04, 2015 | Peak Oil Barrel

Longtimber , 10/05/2015 at 12:47 pm

    Gotta wonder bout such an Ad in an article titled "us-shale-oil-industry-will-simply-vanish"

    Most Likely it's the Investor that will vanish – the oil industry will be "right sized" when forced focus on fundamentals. Sad.. but the Ad title … OIL BOOM is spot on.

shallow sand, 10/05/2015 at 3:50 pm

Seems like that add pops up a lot. With WTI averaging about $46 for Q3 and right there yet today, seems like OIL BUST is now the more appropriate term.

Oil production and related liquids is generating about $5 billion per day less worldwide than it did in the 2012-2014 time frame. Big transfer of funds from one group to another.

KSA realizing around $180 billion less on an annual basis. Wonder how long before they feel backed into a corner enough to do something. Looks like Russia may outlast them, as KSA is pegged to dollar and Russia isn't.

Maybe Jeffrey can send KSA royals some good bean dish recipes and some free ice cream cone coupons from DQ. LOL!!

AlexS , 10/05/2015 at 4:47 pm
shallow sand,

Saudi Arabia, with its huge foreign reserves, could withstand for 3 or 4 years at $50 oil. By that time, prices will improve.

shallow sand , 10/05/2015 at 7:14 pm
AlexS. KSA could go longer than that as I assume many banks would be willing to loan them money with reserves as collateral. They also could issue many more billions of unsecured bonds.

However, OPEC did not go years without cutting in 1986, 1999 and 2009.

Each time the cut worked. The price went up significantly. 1986 was not as successful as the other two cuts.

I may be wrong, but for US producers, it is likely the only hope.

AlexS, 10/05/2015 at 8:49 pm

shallow sand,

In 1986, OPEC actually started increasing production after unsuccessfully trying to stabilize prices by cutting output over the previous 5 years. Their market share dropped from 45.4% in 1979 to 27.6% in 1985, but was constantly increasing from 1986 and has reached 41.9% in 1998. Over the whole period prices remained low (with only a short spike during the Gulf war in 1990). But, for OPEC countries, this was partially offset by the increased production volumes from 15.9 mb/d in 1985 to 30.7mb/d in 1998 (almost twice).

shallow sand, 10/05/2015 at 10:45 pm
AlexS.

I am just looking at history regarding a cut. The past may not be repeated, I agree.

  • 1985-1986. WTI dropped 62.4% from 11/85 to 7/86, from around $31 to $11.50. In November, 1986, OPEC set a target price of $18. 1/87 WTI averaged $18.65. By 7/87 the average was up to $21.34. I do agree the price collapsed again in 1988, but recovered. The price typically was 60-70% of the $31 high in 1985 until the 1998 collapse.
  • 1998-1999. The price dropped approximately 55% from late 1997 to 12/98, when the monthly average was $11.35. I remember that very well. Glum Christmas Party. We were at $8 and change. 3/23 OPEC announced 2.2 million barrel cut. 7/99 average $20.10. 12/99 average $26.10.
  • 2008-2009. Price dropped 71%. June, 2008 average $133.78. February average $39.09. OPEC announced stages of cuts, 500K 9/08, 1.5 million 10/08, 2.2 million 12/08. By 6/09, monthly average 69.64. By 12/09, $77.99
  • 2014-15. Price dropped almost 64% from June, 2014 to August, 2015. June averaged $105.79. August, 2015 averaged $42.87.

Maybe OPEC will not cut in December, 2015. Going by history they will soon. They have not let things go more than 18 months from the peak in the past. 12/4 meeting will be at 18 months from June peak.

Go read news stories from 1986, 1999 and 2008-2009. KSA was concerned about the price each time and stated such. Things are not peachy, contrary to both KSA and Russia official mantras.

Again, I could be wrong, just looking at history. Otoh, maybe lower for longer is needed to stifle the ridiculous North American CAPEX. When reading stories from late 2008, COP had announced a CAPEX budget cut of 18% to $2.8 billion for 2009. By 2014 the CAPEX budget had ballooned to over $17 billion. COP, of course, is a big player in tar sands and all major US LTO plays, so would be a good proxy for "out of control spending.".

shallow sand, 10/05/2015 at 10:56 pm

AlexS

We could live with 60-70% of the 6/14 high for quite awhile, which would be $63-74 WTI.

Apparently at this time the crude market does not believe this is enough to stifle North American (sans Mexico) production.

What do you think about this price range from maybe 7/16-12/20? Where do you see LTO in that scenario?

Dennis Coyne , 10/06/2015 at 9:53 am

Hi Shallow Sands,

That price range sounds about right for 2016, but I think we may see it creep up by 2017 (maybe at a 5 to 10% annual rate of increase) because those prices will not be enough to encourage much investment so demand will outstrip supply and drive oil prices up. I think it likely we will see $100/b by 2018 (possibly higher), if the peak has arrived by 2018 (and output is either on a plateau or slowly declining) then oil prices may head to about $150/b within 3 to 5 years, though a recession would put a damper on the oil price rise eventually (within 1 or 2 years of reaching $150/b is my WAG.)

Others predict a permanent recession (or very slow growth) due to high debt levels.

If that hypothesis is correct, the future economic outlook is indeed very grim, even in this scenario supply would decrease faster than demand (due to low prices and lack of investment) and oil prices would eventually rise (probably not until 2020), but at a slower rate of increase maybe reaching $100/b in 2025.

I don't find the excess debt story very compelling, but many do.

AlexS, 10/06/2015 at 9:41 am

Shallow sand,

Parallels with 1985-86, 1998-99, 2001-02 and 2008-09 may lead to erroneous conclusions.

Sharp oil price declines in 1998-99, 2001-02 and 2008-09 were caused by cyclical demand reduction during global recessions. It was relatively easy, for OPEC, to support prices by cutting output, as demand quickly rebounded. OPEC restored production levels in a few months and didn't lose its market share.

By contrast, oil price decline in the 80s was due not only to a deep recession (1980-83), but also to long-term trends triggered by the oil price shocks of 1973-74 and 1979-80. These included oil substitution by natural gas in power generation and industry, oil/energy saving measures, and a sharp increase in oil production in the North Sea, Alaska, Mexico and Western Siberia. OPEC initially tried to offset falling demand and the tide of rising non-OPEC supplies by cutting its own output, but this proved inefficient. Competitors were taking its market share and prices continued to decline. Therefore, Saudi Arabia and other OPEC members changed their market strategy from defending prices to defending market share.

The current oil price slump is due to long-term trends in supply (primarily LTO, but also Canada and some OPEC members). Cutting OPEC output to maintain prices would only support LTO and other non-OPEC supplies, including costly projects such as Arctic. As we have seen in 2Q15, even at $60 WTI tight oil producers are ready to increase drilling activity, but at the current $45 LTO production is declining.

Therefore, it doesn't make sense for Saudi Arabia and its neighbors to cut output and support competitors. They will wait until rising demand and stagnating or declining non-OPEC production will finally erase excess supply. That will take much less time than in the 80-90s, as current spare capacity is only about 2.5 mb/d vs. 11-12 mb/d in 1985.

[Oct 09, 2015] Another Petro-State Throws In The Towel The Last Nail In The Petrodollar Coffin

"... 2016 will be another year of record mainland deficit which need to be covered by the offshore sector and its 6,900 bn NOK sovereign wealth fund (SWF). ..."
"... As Eurodollar liquidity dries up and consequently pushes up the price of actual dollar (note, Eurodollars are international claims to domestic US dollars but for which no such dollars actual exists) the problem for petro-states compounds. One way this manifest itself is through international purchasing power of prior savings. ..."
"... In other words, the drawdown of the SWF will exceed its inflow even after adding financial income flows. The last remnant of the petro-dollar will thus die in 2016 ..."
"... For a country 100 per cent dependent on continued leverage in the Eurodollar system the absolutely best case scenario is for the US economy to grow just slowly enough for international monetary policy to again realign; reducing the value of the USD through continued ZIRP in the US. ..."
Oct 09, 2015 | Zero Hedge
According to the proposed budget submitted by the current 'blue-blue' government the Norwegian deficit will reach another record high in 2016. Mainland taxes are expected to bring in 1,008 billion NOKs, while expenditures are estimated at 1,215 billion NOKs. In other words, 2016 will be another year of record mainland deficit which need to be covered by the offshore sector and its 6,900 bn NOK sovereign wealth fund (SWF).

While record mainland deficits covered by the petroleum sector is nothing new in Norwegian budget history, on the contrary it is closer to the norm, the 2016 budget did raise some eyebrows. The other side of the ledger, the net inflow to the SWF from activities in the North Sea will, again according to budget, be lower than the required amount to cover the deficit. This has never happened before and is testimony of the sea change occurring in the world of petrodollar recycling. Interestingly enough, the need to liquidate SWF holdings is helping to create further deflation in the Eurodollar system in a self-reinforcing loop.

As Eurodollar liquidity dries up and consequently pushes up the price of actual dollar (note, Eurodollars are international claims to domestic US dollars but for which no such dollars actual exists) the problem for petro-states compounds. One way this manifest itself is through international purchasing power of prior savings. A SWF as the Norwegian was created through a surplus of exports over imports meaning it can only be utilized through future imports over exports. When the Norwegians look at their wealth expressed in Norwegian kroner it all looks fine, but expressed in dollars the SWF has shrunk considerably in size. Thus, the surfeit imports expected by the Norwegian populace cannot be met. Norway rode high on a wave of liquidity which pushed up commodity currencies, leading Norwegians to consume more imported goods today, without realizing they were tapping into the principal of their future. When the tide turns the gross misconception is revealed.

The Government claims it is all fine though. The current down-cycle will, according to them, end early 2016 so despite a 2 percentage point reduction in corporate- and personal income tax, mainland tax revenues are expected to increase 1.9 per cent. That is obviously a pipedream, just as the expected 17.9 per cent increase in interest and dividend income which will make sure the SWF continue to grow at a healthy pace despite the massive mainland deficit.

Assuming oil prices remain low, mainland tax revenue will plummet as they are very much a function of what goes on offshore, while expenditure will rise as they do in all welfare states during a down cycle.

If we are right, a global recession is imminent, meaning the expected increase in dividend income will never materialize.

In other words, the drawdown of the SWF will exceed its inflow even after adding financial income flows. The last remnant of the petro-dollar will thus die in 2016.

For a country 100 per cent dependent on continued leverage in the Eurodollar system the absolutely best case scenario is for the US economy to grow just slowly enough for international monetary policy to again realign; reducing the value of the USD through continued ZIRP in the US.

Robust growth in the US will prompt Yellen to hike, spiking the dollar (as Eurodollar claims scramble for actual dollars) while paradoxically a recession in the US will lead to the exact same outcome. The goldilocks scenario of 1-2 per cent growth is the best that the Norwegian government can hope for. It will minimize the gap between the lies and propaganda spewed out by the Ministry of Finance and reality.

Latina Lover

Death to the Fed Reserve! Time for a currency reset. Down with the Banksters, or rather, hang them high!

[Oct 08, 2015] Crude Oil Surges Above $50 a Barrel for First Time Since July

Oct 08, 2015 | www.bloomberg.com
Oil surged above $50 a barrel in New York for the first time since July on speculation that demand is picking up.

... ... ...

WTI for November delivery rose $1.62 to settle at $49.43 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange. It was the highest settlement since July 21. Futures touched $50.07. The volume of all futures traded was 45 percent higher than the 100-day average at 3:01 p.m.

... ... ...

Global oil demand will increase by 1.5 million barrels a day this year, El-Badri said in the statement to the IMF’s International Monetary and Financial Committee. Commercial oil inventories in developed countries remain about 190 million barrels above the five year average , he said.

[Oct 08, 2015] Oil's Rally Was A Bunch Of Noise And Won't Last, Goldman Sachs Says

While financial market can dictate oil price for a considerable length of time then can't do it forever. At some point the fact that a lot of oil production need break-even price of 65 and realistic price $75 per barrel will change the game Wall Street is playing. Some "overenthusiastic" shorts might lose. Also credibility Wall Street is probably close to zero to attempt to manipulate market via MSM are not as effective as in the past.
Oct 08, 2015 | Barrons.com
Last month, Courvalin said that oil prices could fall as low as $20 as the global glut drags into next year. See last month's post, "There Will Be Blood: Goldman Slashes Oil Price Forecasts." Here's the laundry list of what Goldman says hasn't changed in the past week:
  1. The global oil market is currently well oversupplied.
  2. This oversupply is driven by strong production growth outside of the US with Lower 48 production already declining and gradually tightening light US crude balances.
  3. Low prices are required in 2016 to finally bring supply and demand into balance by year-end and sustain a US production decline of 585 kb/d next year.
  4. Although demand growth has surprised to the upside this year at 1.6 million b/d growth, risks are clearly to weaker demand growth in 2016.

Dave wrote:

Goldman has lost all credibility LONG ago. They are looking to load up before the rebound and are trying to drive prices down temporarily.

Earnst wrote:

Only about 20% of trade is between actual buyer's and seller's. There is a terrific bias towards longs and the use of technical analysis as well as conditioned responses to factors such as middle east conflict. It was a new day yesterday but by God it's an old day now; they'll capitulate.

Big Al wrote:

These are the same guys who called for oil in the $20s. They are either: trying to protect some short positions, clueless as to oil and gas industry fundamentals or incompetent at best. Everyone in the industry knows that shorting energy is like playing Russian roulette. You could get lucky, but if you keep playing long enough, you wind up dead.

Jeff wrote:

Hmmmm.... Rig count at lowest level in years. US production swinging lower. Saudis signaling for higher prices as they bleed $12B per month. Seems like higher prices up to $60 not unreasonable.

dsr wrote:

Not many know this, but Goldman owns a large interest in an oil refinery in Indiana. The lower oil is the higher the crack spreads for them, equals $$$$$. They also sell 70,000 barrels of crude per day to another refinery and then buy the product to sell on the market. Do a Google search on Goldman's forecast for energy over the last 18 months and you will see the light of absurdity. It's beyond funny. We have lost 1 million barrels of oil per day in non-opec production in the last 6 months, and at the same time demand is surging, and this guy says "not much has changed." No credibility.

kim wrote:

The vampire squids are having to eat crow right now and they are trying harder than ever to jawbone down the price of oil to save their credibility and probably make a few shekels in the process. Put a little salt and pepper on that 20 dollar per barrel crow that you are having to eat there Damien; makes it go down better.

Phil wrote:

If Goldman said it will go down, bet for oil, it will go up!

George wrote:

And where is the $200/barrel oil they predicted a couple of years ago? Oh, not here yet so now they are predicting $20. Losers.

anonymous33 wrote:

people should read the report. Nowhere does the analyst or Goldman predict $20 oil. That number is specified as a very specific condition which even they say is not going to happen. Typical over-reaction by the public.

[Oct 08, 2015] Short-Term Energy Outlook - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

Oct 08, 2015 | www.eia.gov

The current values of futures and options contracts for January 2016 delivery (Market Prices and Uncertainty Report) suggest the market expects WTI prices to range from $32/b to $67/b (at the 95% confidence interval) in January 2016.

... ... ...

Projected U.S. crude oil production averages 9.2 million b/d in 2015 and 8.9 million b/d in 2016.

[Oct 08, 2015] Why Barrons Is Wrong On $75 Oil

Blast from the past. Note that key arguments still look reasonable... But prediction is not ;-)...
"... New unconventional oil reserves in the U.S. require an average break-even price of $65, which does not justify or support a $75 price. ..."
"... Barrons assumes that all new unconventional reserves are here for the long term and will continue to increase production, which is not the case. ..."
"... The article references Citigroup energy analyst Eric Lee, who believes that most of this new oil could be recovered for around under $75 per barrel, leading to a global decrease in price. ..."
"... after examining existing extraction cost data it is hard for the supply side economics to actually work out and support $75 oil for a sustained period of time. ..."
"... This increased demand would put worldwide oil consumption at 91.60 million barrels per day in 2014 and 92.97 million barrels per day in 2015. ..."
Apr. 2, 2014 | Seeking Alpha
Barron's assumptions as to the leading factors of lowered oil pricing do not make sense after examining the supply side economics.

New unconventional oil reserves in the U.S. require an average break-even price of $65, which does not justify or support a $75 price.

Barron's assumes that all new unconventional reserves are here for the long term and will continue to increase production, which is not the case.

The cover of Barrons this past week read "Here Comes $75 Oil". The article highlights that due to several new "game changers" in the oil production market that within the next 5 years the oil market would fall to $75 a barrel. The three main reasons that would contribute to cheaper oil are deep-water oil, shale oil, and oil sands. All of these newfound resources are estimated at roughly one trillion barrels in newfound oil. Adding that onto the existing global oil reserve estimated at 1.5 trillion, makes this newfound oil a major factor in the future of oil pricing. The article references Citigroup energy analyst Eric Lee, who believes that most of this new oil could be recovered for around under $75 per barrel, leading to a global decrease in price.

As much as $75 oil sounds nice and would no doubt be a major boon to the U.S. and world economies. Yet after examining existing extraction cost data it is hard for the supply side economics to actually work out and support $75 oil for a sustained period of time. According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA), they expect worldwide consumption of petroleum products to grow by 1.2 million barrels per day in 2014 and 1.5 million barrels per day for 2015.

This increased demand would put worldwide oil consumption at 91.60 million barrels per day in 2014 and 92.97 million barrels per day in 2015.

[Oct 08, 2015] What's Next For Oil Prices

"... investments in new or expanded oil projects will be reduced by 22.4 percent to $521 billion this year – down $130 billion from 2014 – thereby reducing the supply of crude and putting upward pressure on prices. ..."
"... He said he expects global demand for oil will rise by 1.3 million barrels a day in 2016. ..."
"... When will the end of that tunnel appear? Within the next 18 to 24 months, el-Badri predicted. ..."
Oct 08, 2015 | OilPrice.com

In London, OPEC Secretary-general Abdallah Salem el-Badri said investments in new or expanded oil projects will be reduced by 22.4 percent to $521 billion this year – down $130 billion from 2014 – thereby reducing the supply of crude and putting upward pressure on prices.

"Less supply in the very near future. Less supply means high prices," el-Badri said in a speech at the Oil and Money conference.

El-Badri's expectations on investment were supported by the executive director of the International Energy Agency (IEA), Fatih Birol, who told the meeting that investments in oil projects this year will fall by about the same rate forecast by el-Badri.

"Upstream investment will be at least 20 per cent lower [this year] than in 2014," said the chief of the Paris-based IEA, which represents 29 oil-consuming countries. "In terms of money spent, it's the highest [drop] in history."

Oil prices will also rise, ironically, because the current low prices have encouraged consumers to buy more fuel, according to el-Badri. He said he expects global demand for oil will rise by 1.3 million barrels a day in 2016.

The current low price of oil has strained the budgets of many oil-producing countries, including wealthy Middle Eastern states. The price of oil is now less than $50 per barrel, less than half what it was in June 2014. Yet el-Badri argued, "We are not in disarray. We see some light at the end of the tunnel."

When will the end of that tunnel appear? Within the next 18 to 24 months, el-Badri predicted.

Ben van Beurden, the CEO of Royal Dutch Shell, doesn't see oil prices stabilizing quite that soon, however. He told the conference that while oil prices are due to recover, their rise won't be as fast as el-Badri expects

... ... ...

This [shale] technology can't make money unless oil sells for at least $60 per barrel.

Related: A Key Indicator Low Oil Prices Are Lifting Demand

[Oct 08, 2015] Oil prices are soaring as Saudi Arabia gets the upper hand over shale producers

"... At 848, the number of U.S. drilling rigs is only half what it was in January, and the lowest level since 2003. The Department of Energy said Tuesday it estimated U.S. oil production fell by 120,000 barrels a day last month, and will continue to fall through mid-2016. It now expects U.S. crude output to fall to an average of 8.9 million b/d next year from 9.2 million this year. ..."
"... The International Energy Agency now expects global demand to rise by 1.7 million b/d this year. ..."
"... Pretending that there's still some kind of competition between shale oil and OM's and ignoring the worldwide credit collapse is just plain stupid. OM's are clearly in liquidation because of the credit collapse, and not because they're winning some artificial competition against the shale oil producers who're themselves effectively out of business. ..."
"... Massive credit is required to drill, and it's not there. ..."
Oct 08, 2015 | fortune.com
October 7, 2015 | Fortune

Baker Hughes' closely-watched rig count showed that the number of drilling rigs in the U.S. turned down sharply in September after signs of a brief revival in the previous two months. At 848, the number of U.S. drilling rigs is only half what it was in January, and the lowest level since 2003. The Department of Energy said Tuesday it estimated U.S. oil production fell by 120,000 barrels a day last month, and will continue to fall through mid-2016. It now expects U.S. crude output to fall to an average of 8.9 million b/d next year from 9.2 million this year.

... ... ...

The International Energy Agency now expects global demand to rise by 1.7 million b/d this year.

KI time

Pretending that there's still some kind of competition between shale oil and OM's and ignoring the worldwide credit collapse is just plain stupid. OM's are clearly in liquidation because of the credit collapse, and not because they're winning some artificial competition against the shale oil producers who're themselves effectively out of business.

Massive credit is required to drill, and it's not there. Government has effectively provided more than $4.2 Trillion$ in bailouts since 2005 as cover for the worldwide credit collapse. Now Government is stone broke and can't do it anymore...

[Oct 08, 2015] Black Gold May Be Down, but Its Not Out

"... while there are alternatives ranging from electric batteries to natural gas, none are as convenient or deliver the same energy-dense punch as plain old petroleum products. ..."
"... the way oil is bought, sold and used has changed almost beyond recognition in less than a year. For the first time in generations, oil is being driven by markets [aka Wall Street speculators -- NNB] rather than giant cartels. ..."
"... Bad for the bulls, right? Maybe not â€" oil always seems to bubble upward. Paul Horsnell, head of commodity research at Standard Chartered Bank in London, tells OZY that U.S. production is “falling relatively quickly.†As a result, he says, a sharp price increase is in the cards, perhaps to near $75, compared with prices in the $50 range today. Philip Verleger, president of the consulting firm PKVerleger, also sees oil rising in the near term; he says U.S. companies have been laggards about reporting their cutbacks, and that government statistics overstate oil production as a result. ..."
Oct 08, 2015 | news.yahoo.com

For better or worse, oil never really seems to lose out in the long run. You’d think the case against it would be easy to make: It’s last century’s go-to energy source and a nightmare for the environment. There are also those nagging concerns about peak oil and even peak car, given that millennials seem way less interested in their own wheels than their elders were at that age. But oil is still by far the biggest traded commodity in the world. It’s uniquely useful, and so far irreplaceable, as a cheap, liquid fuel â€" after all, you can’t run a car on coal or fly a plane on solar, and while there are alternatives ranging from electric batteries to natural gas, none are as convenient or deliver the same energy-dense punch as plain old petroleum products. All the fracking in the world hasn’t yet diminished the sense that the days of Texas Tea are far from over.

By contrast, the way oil is bought, sold and used has changed almost beyond recognition in less than a year. For the first time in generations, oil is being driven by markets [aka Wall Street speculators -- NNB] rather than giant cartels. OPEC, long the bogeyman of the oil market, has been neutered by a huge surge in U.S. production; at the same time, low gas prices don’t seem to be encouraging people to drive longer or buy more gas guzzlers the way they have in the past. “This time it is not business as usual,†said Maria van der Hoeven, executive director of the Paris-based International Energy Agency, in a recent speech.

The most jaw-dropping change by far: OPEC’s effective capitulation in its decades-old game of rigging oil prices. Last November, Saudi Arabia opened its oil taps in what experts considered an attempt to kill off “high cost†U.S. shale-oil production. But it turned out that U.S. operations haven’t been so high cost after all; oil expert Daniel Yergin, vice chair of the research and consulting company IHS, notes that U.S. prospectors improved their efficiency by 65 percent in just a year. U.S. oil production is up to stay, he says â€" and that means oil prices are likely to stay low.

Bad for the bulls, right? Maybe not â€" oil always seems to bubble upward. Paul Horsnell, head of commodity research at Standard Chartered Bank in London, tells OZY that U.S. production is “falling relatively quickly.†As a result, he says, a sharp price increase is in the cards, perhaps to near $75, compared with prices in the $50 range today. Philip Verleger, president of the consulting firm PKVerleger, also sees oil rising in the near term; he says U.S. companies have been laggards about reporting their cutbacks, and that government statistics overstate oil production as a result.

Some forecasters believe oil’s great run won’t end for decades â€" most of us still love our cars, and demand for them continues to grow in the developing world. But there’s also the threat that governments worried about global warming and pollution might finally cap the gusher.

Says Verleger: “The oil industry has no friends.â€

[Oct 07, 2015] Putin Has Just Put An End to the Wolfowitz Doctrine

"... Syria ..."
"... Putin is trying to put an end to a doctrine that has caused 25 years of Bushist Crusader mayhem. Will he succeed is another question. ..."
"... But having got the ball rolling is a tipping moment and Humpty Dumpty of NWO is now a broken toy of a bygone age, especially as its created the destruction of Pax Americana's main hold on the world : Oil duopoly and monetary hegemony all gone down the shute in debt debasement folly. ..."
"... Just as the first Iraqi war was seminal in the fall of the Soviet Union IMHO when the world (and particularly the Soviet military analysts) were able to see the overwhelming technical superiority of the US smart weapons and the ease with with the US disposed of Saddam's huge standing army (breaking the illusion that the Soviet Union was a superpower on the par with the US), the move into Syria by Russia by the invitation of the legal government of Syria is in my opinion just as historic and seminal, the bell weather for a major sea-change in the the power structure of the world. ..."
"... the MSF hospital in Kunduz fiasco in juxtaposition with the well planned Russian strikes against ISIS (which the US supposedly has been attacking for 13 months), raises the question: if you needed someone to protect you, do you trust the Russian military or the US military? ..."
"... The above question is a fatal doubt intruding into the all powerful US paradigm - if the Saudis and other important players (Germany!) start to question US power and cozy up to the Russians, the US petrodollar is done for, and with it US dollar as WRC - the US as a nation will start an inevitable slide into third world status if that occurs. Imagine what happens for example if the US has to pay its military budget from actual assets or savings rather than just print dollars it needs to buy the hugely expensive F35 or send billions to Israel... ..."
"... The most rabid neocons may push the US into a poorly thought out confrontation, and get us all killed in the worst case. ..."
"... What has Putin proved? That the US desires not to destroy ISIL, but to empower ISIL. When has Assad ever attacked the US? Never. ..."
"... Everything the US government says is a lie. Everything the government's Ministry of Truth's media reports is a lie. With every lie the sheeple to emote for government. Barack is evil incarnate. The US is a tool of neo-cons and the exceptional American fools. Evil succeeds, when the American sheeple follow. ..."
"... Don't praise the day before the sunset. Imho, the more accurate statement would be: Putin has challenged the Wolfowitz doctrine. ..."
"... The neocons are not defeated until the truth about 9-11 if widely accepted, or, more properly, that which is untrue is widely rejected. it is their achilles' heel. The crime is too great, too evil and too poorly done to be explained away or ignored. once a growing majority of the nation sees through this lie (and the fraction is already larger than many imagine), new things become possible. this is not yesterday's news. There is no statute of limitations on treason or murder. The day will be won mind by mind. do your part. ..."
Oct 07, 2015 | Zero Hedge
4-Star General Wesley Clark noted:

In 1991, [powerful neocon and Iraq war architect Paul Wolfowitz] was the Undersecretary of Defense for Policy – the number 3 position at the Pentagon. And I had gone to see him when I was a 1-Star General commanding the National Training Center.

***

And I said, "Mr. Secretary, you must be pretty happy with the performance of the troops in Desert Storm."

And he said: "Yeah, but not really, because the truth is we should have gotten rid of Saddam Hussein, and we didn't … But one thing we did learn [from the Persian Gulf War] is that we can use our military in the region – in the Middle East – and the Soviets won't stop us. And we've got about 5 or 10 years to clean up those old Soviet client regimes – Syria, Iran, Iraq – before the next great superpower comes on to challenge us."

Crocodile

Putin has put an end to the Wolfowitz doctrine - end

Then Putin has found a cure for psychopathy; unlikely.

As you know, October is "Pink" month, the month they remind women of the deadly disease brought on women in which the big corporations are raping in billions and they would/will NEVER give you the cure, for their is no profit in a cure. Stupid is as stupid does.

Pinkwasher: (pink'-wah-sher) noun. A company or organization that claims to care about breast cancer by promoting a pink ribbon product, but at the same time produces, manufactures and/or sells products that are linked to the disease.

Here are the results of those efforts: http://www.cdc.gov/cancer/breast/statistics/trends.htm (NONE from the disease perspective)

Minburi

This shit is from 2007? Wow... Just Wow!! It's only gotten worse since then!

Why is nothing being done?

Crocodile

The rich are getting richer and the middle class is being dismantled and you say "why is nothing being done?"

Johnny_Dangerously

So is the Greater Israel thing just a wild conspiracy theory? Along with the 3rd temple and "cleansing" the rest of Palestine?

Because I'd bet you my life savings that it is not a conspiracy theory as to Netanyahu and his ilk in Likud.

shutterbug

the USA people have some cleaning up to do, starting in the White House, every governmental agency and after that probably other federal departments...

BUT have you ever seen Walking Dead clean something up???

Icelandicsaga.....

Wolfowitz type thinking is spin off of Angl American establishment that grew out of Brtish empire/banking/trade ..some say reverts back to East India Trade cartel..but recent history, read for free online insider chronicler Georgetown U. Professor Carrol Quigley, who lays it out in Tragedy and Hope.http://www.amazon.com/Tragedy-Hope-History-World-Time/dp/094500110X........ of his uotes: It is this power structure which the Radical Right in the United States has been attacking for years in the belief that they are attacking the Communists.

Thus, the use of fiat money is more justifiable in financing a depression than in financing a war.

By the winter of 1945-1946, the Russian peoples were being warned of the dangers from the West.

In post Cold War guys like Harvards Samuel Huntington...discussed Anglo..American hegemony in Clash of Civilizations. Another who laid out the post Cold War game plan ..Francis Fukuyama in his The End of History. pentagon adviser Thomas Barnett laid out the countries to be taken sown in The Pentagons New Map. The guy is a wack job, but pentagon took him seriously.

Followed by PNAC..Project for a New American Century?..guys like Wolfowitz, Kagan, Kristol, Cheney et al first proposed invading Iraq a second time. But the genesis for fucked up US policy on steroids, was fall of Soviet Union. That is when elite, shadow govt and banking class from IMF TO World Bank to BIS came into their own. I recall this invade and bring democracy and KFC capitalism began in major policy journals in 1992..just about same time HW BUSH gave his ""new world order" speech at UN. It has been FUBAR evrr since.

Given what ""economic advisers" from US like Jeffrey Sachs, Larry Summers, Jonathan Hays caused in early days of new Russia, I do not blame them if they hate our guts. We have created chaos and destruction from Balkans ""war" to Ukraine ..Iraq..Libya..Syria. we have turned into a rabid stupid uncontrollable beast. Wolfowitz and his ilk were midwives. Enclosed pertinent links that may be helpful.

http://www.amazon.com/Clash-Civilizations-Remaking-World-Order/dp/145162......

and Francis Fukuyama...

Yoshihiro Francis Fukuyama (born October 27, 1952) is an American political scientist, political economist, and author. Fukuyama is known for his book The End of History and the Last Man (1992), which argued that the worldwide spread of liberal democracies and free market capitalism of the West and its lifestyle may signal the end point of humanity's sociocultural evolution and become the final form of human government. However, his subsequent book Trust: Social Virtues and Creation of Prosperity (1995) modified his earlier position to acknowledge that culture cannot be cleanly separated from economics. Fukuyama is also associated with the rise of the neoconservative movement,[2] from which he has since distanced himself.[3]

Fukuyama has been a Senior Fellow at the Center on Democracy,

MSimon

No expense is too great to send a message. Until it is.

MEAN BUSINESS

False. What's your fucking problem?

MSimon

OK no expense is too great.

An estimate of what the war is costing Russia.

http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/countingthecost/2015/10/russia-econo...

Looking around I found out that Russia depends on Western companies for oil field eqpt. The war is causing it to defer projects.

On top of that Russia needs to balance its economy with more consumer manufacturing. The war is deferring some of that that.

War steals from the future. And then there is this bit of news. Propaganda or reality? Or a set up for a false flag attack?

FBI has foiled four plots by gangs to sell nuclear material to ISIS: Authorities working with federal agency stop criminals with Russian connections selling to terrorists

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3262821/FBI-foiled-four-attempts...

Johnny_Dangerously

"FBI has foiled four plots by gangs to sell nuclear material to ISIS:"

Sure they did.

And they *did not* assassinate that kid down in Florida for refusing to sign a confession.

Hell In A Ha...

"An estimate of what the war is costing Russia."

The cost of this bombing campaign against ISIS is costing Russia, there is no hiding from this fact, but the cost is also being burdened by Syria and Iran. Secondly, the Military Industrial Complex(MIC) does not have total control Iran, Syria and most importantly Russia, like it does over the U.S government. IE; The Russians have flown to date less than 100 sorties and have significantly downgraded ISIS, to the point western governments and media have been bitching about the loss of innocent civilian life(translated; U.S, U.K and allied special forces are being killed by Russian bombs). Conversely the U.S air-force have officially flown over 1800 sorties in an attempt to downgrade ISIS and have been unsuccessfu to datel. 1800 sorties and a lot of bombing achieving nothing, is a great payout for the MIC.

So an obvious question must be asked. The Russians have flown and bombed just 4% compared to the U.S air-force and have downgraded ISIS. Are the Yanks vastly inferior and incompetent than the Russians? And if the answer is no, then the only logical conclusion must be the Americans never really targeted ISIS and we the public are being fed a pack of lies and propaganda.

falak pema

Well said.

Putin is trying to put an end to a doctrine that has caused 25 years of Bushist Crusader mayhem. Will he succeed is another question.

But having got the ball rolling is a tipping moment and Humpty Dumpty of NWO is now a broken toy of a bygone age, especially as its created the destruction of Pax Americana's main hold on the world : Oil duopoly and monetary hegemony all gone down the shute in debt debasement folly.

Dear Henry's legacy to the Trilateral world now looking like Petrodollar's metamorphosis into Humpty Dumpty.

But where it leads to is a debatable question.

Quo Vadis.

flapdoodle

The *really* big problem with the US Deep State is the following:

1) The US Dollar as World Reserve Currency is based on, well, the fact that it is the WRC. The "faith" the rest of the world invests in the Dollar is only backed by momentum - and the perceived preeminence of the US armed forces.

2) Just as the first Iraqi war was seminal in the fall of the Soviet Union IMHO when the world (and particularly the Soviet military analysts) were able to see the overwhelming technical superiority of the US smart weapons and the ease with with the US disposed of Saddam's huge standing army (breaking the illusion that the Soviet Union was a superpower on the par with the US), the move into Syria by Russia by the invitation of the legal government of Syria is in my opinion just as historic and seminal, the bell weather for a major sea-change in the the power structure of the world.

3) Russia in Syria has, at least in its first appearances, greatly neutralized ISIS, which was touted as a huge almost invincible juggernaut, putting on a clinic of technical prowess and coordination almost comparable to the US effort in Iraq 1.

4) The paradigm of the all powerful US military has taken a big hit, if not by its lack of technical superiority (the F35 fiasco does not inspire confidence in US technical capability), but by its intentions, will, and competence. the MSF hospital in Kunduz fiasco in juxtaposition with the well planned Russian strikes against ISIS (which the US supposedly has been attacking for 13 months), raises the question: if you needed someone to protect you, do you trust the Russian military or the US military?

5) The above question is a fatal doubt intruding into the all powerful US paradigm - if the Saudis and other important players (Germany!) start to question US power and cozy up to the Russians, the US petrodollar is done for, and with it US dollar as WRC - the US as a nation will start an inevitable slide into third world status if that occurs. Imagine what happens for example if the US has to pay its military budget from actual assets or savings rather than just print dollars it needs to buy the hugely expensive F35 or send billions to Israel...

6) What gives pause are what the US might do about what has just happened in Syria. The most rabid neocons may push the US into a poorly thought out confrontation, and get us all killed in the worst case.

7) Whatever response the US tries will not change the death of the US Dollar as WRC. The only question is how soon it will be cast aside (and my gut tells me it will be relatively soon, regardless of how "oversubscribed" dollar denominated debt is to the actual number of dollars in circulation)

GMadScientist

Fuck off. Neocons can own their fucking mistake until the end of time. It was stupid. You did it (and elected the fucker TWICE!). So get the fuck over it.

falak pema

You are missing the point : Its PAX AMERICANA's mess; but it was the Wolfowitz doctrine of the BUSHES (father and son Incorporated along with Cheney) that started it.

Boy King is just a mouthpiece (reluctant now but gung-ho in Libya) of that same imperial game.

History is a bitch and you can't play King Canute with it !

NuYawkFrankie

re Putin Ends Wolfowitz Doctrine

Now we should do our part, and put an end - a permanent end -to Mastermind War-Criminal "Rat Face" Wolfowitz; then the demonic KAGAN KLAN.

The other NeoCON warmongers can be rounded-up shortly thereafter trying to board flights to Tel Aviv, Israel

dreadnaught

Seen on a wall in a bus station: "Kill a NeoCON for Christ"

WTFUD

Long time GW! Nice watching all dem US made Saudi bought weapons go up in smoke. Now that's what i call Change you can believe in. Go Vlad, some US base collateral damage in Baghdad would be equally welcome.

The Plan to keep Russia busy with Ukraine mischief is another multi-billion farce gone up in smoke.

Really nice watching the EU erupt in a burden of refugees, none of which was ear-marked in the austerity budgets of the poodle-piss vassal states.

Cat-Al-Loan-iA here i come, right back where we started from . . .

Reaper

Evil is power. What has Putin proved? That the US desires not to destroy ISIL, but to empower ISIL. When has Assad ever attacked the US? Never.

Everything the US government says is a lie. Everything the government's Ministry of Truth's media reports is a lie. With every lie the sheeple to emote for government. Barack is evil incarnate. The US is a tool of neo-cons and the exceptional American fools. Evil succeeds, when the American sheeple follow.

bunnyswanson

You leave out the most important detail. STATE CAPTURE

Share the insults with the nation who has trained our cops in methods used against Palestinians, beating the crap out of everyone who shows the least bit of hesitation to obey their orders.

Okeefe = Full page of videos explaining ISRAEL EXPANSION PROJECT Greater Israel.

Dead politicians, dead journalists and many dead business people, all strangely similar yet some nobody from nowhere is sent to prison, with wide eyed drugged look.

ISRAEL is the source of the evil so fucking remember that prickface.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=israel+expansion+project+o%...

gezley

The source of the evil is not Israel, at least not the political entity known as Israel in the Middle East. The source of the evil is something far deeper, a Power of Darkness that exists somewhere else, a Power that created this modern state of Israel in the first place. In my opinion, that power of darkness, the truly evil "Israel", occupies the City of London, otherwise known as the Jewish Vatican, the counterpoint in this world to the other square mile that matters, the Holy See.

That's where the problems for the US and the Middle East have their beginning, middle and end. Solve that problem and America and the Middle East will both wake up to a bright new future.

Luther van Theses

"Soviet client regimes?" Didn't it ever occur to this dummy they are countries in their own right, people live there, you can't just take their countries away from them?

Bismarck said 'God has a special providence for fools, drunks, and the United States of America.' We must be in good shape considering we've had fools like Wolfowitz and drunks like G.W Bush running the country.

opport.knocks

Let's not give too much credit to Paul Wolfowitz, and his "doctrine". It was just a restatement of Halford MacKinder's "Heatland Theory" and Zbigniew Brzezinski's "The Grand Chessboard"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halford_Mackinder

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zbigniew_Brzezinski

jcdenton

Speaking of Ziggy, the guy just snapped ..

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/10/06/is-terrorists-may-blast-mosques-...

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/10/06/zbig2putin/

August

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/10/06/zbig2putin/

Decent article....i.e. better than aveage for veteranstoday. IMHO.

Ol' Zbigniew sez that he USA should "disarm" Russian forces in Syria.

Guess the US Police will have to use some flash-bangs on the Russkies, and shoot their dogs, too.

fleur de lis

Brzezh has been a psycho for a long time, and has harbored a seething hatred for the Russians that still spews poison to this day. He pushed the idiots in DC to support the serial killer Pol Pot who murdered more than a million Cambodians, and that was a long time ago. He was sly enough to get the Chinese to do the direct support. Still crazy after all these years.

The Cambodians were fightng with the Vietnamese who were allied with the Russians, so that was reason enough for him regardless of all the Cambodian deaths.. The Western powers had no good reason to be mixed up in Asia except as blood sport.

Jorgen

"Putin has put an end to the Wolfowitz doctrine."

Don't praise the day before the sunset. Imho, the more accurate statement would be: Putin has challenged the Wolfowitz doctrine.

jeff montanye

The neocons are not defeated until the truth about 9-11 if widely accepted, or, more properly, that which is untrue is widely rejected. it is their achilles' heel. The crime is too great, too evil and too poorly done to be explained away or ignored. once a growing majority of the nation sees through this lie (and the fraction is already larger than many imagine), new things become possible. this is not yesterday's news. There is no statute of limitations on treason or murder. The day will be won mind by mind. do your part.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsoY3AIRUGA .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GNww9cmZPo

http://www.luogocomune.net/site/modules/sections/index.php?op=viewarticl...

11b40

Here are some examples of people in senior government position who have Israeli citizenship. Will America ever wake up and end this idiocy, which was brought about in 1967 by a Supreme Court decision guided by Justice Abe Fortas, a prominent Jewish American. If some these names are not familiar, google them for a real surprise, or follow this link:

http://www.kickthemallout.com/article.php/Story-Dual_Citizenship_Loyal_T...

Jonathan Jay Pollard
Michael Mukasey
Michael Chertoff
Richard Perle\
Paul Wolfowitz
Lawrence (Larry) Franklin
Douglas Feith
Edward Luttwak.
Henry Kissinger
Dov Zakheim
Kenneth Adelman
I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby
Robert Satloff
Elliott Abrams
Marc Grossman
Richard Haass
Robert Zoellick
Ari Fleischer
James Schlesinger
David Frum
Joshua Bolten
John Bolton
David Wurmser
Eliot Cohen
Mel Sembler
Steve Goldsmith
Adam Goldman
Joseph Gildenhorn
Christopher Gersten
Mark Weinberger
Samuel Bodman
Bonnie Cohen
Ruth Davis
Daniel Kurtzer
Cliff Sobel
Stuart Bernstein
Nancy Brinker
Frank Lavin
Ron Weiser
Mel Sembler
Martin Silverstein
Lincoln Bloomfield
Jay Lefkowitz
Ken Melman
Brad Blakeman

Beginning to see the problem?

OldPhart

Here's a full taste of Wolfowitz as he was interviewed by some metro-sexual I've never heard of...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0-wwFE_DaM

The faggot's got some solid points over Wolfowitz.

[Oct 07, 2015] Syria SITREP October 07th 2015 by John Rambo

Nice antidote to Guardian propaganda ;-). this is actually a huge risk for Russia as ISIS is serious, tenacious opponet that has some resources in Russian part of Caucasus.
"... Islamists are now being struck by US jets in Iraq but by Russian jets in Syria, leaving only Jordan and Turkey as the only safe havens left. ..."
"... For Russia this is a gamble. Many hawkish individuals are screaming that this will be a second Afghanistan. Undoubtedly Wahhabi Islamists within the Caucuses are fuming at the Russian involvement in the Middle East, and unlike the United States, Russia is within reach of these domestic jihadists. It's safe to assume Russia probably stepped up domestic surveillance and security in potential hotspot areas within its territory. [Source] After all it wasn't that long ago when Prince Bandar was talking about how he can "turn-on and turn-off" the Chechen Jihadists. Who knows how much truth that holds… if any… but better to play it safe. [Source] ..."
"... ISIL is not a stupid player in this conflict. The Islamic State has been able to fool the US into providing weapons and training for the jihad for quite some time. ISIL has also endured a year of strikes from the US and its Arab partners, sometimes averaging to a dozen strikes a day. There have been more bombs dropped on ISIL in the past year than the 5 years in Afghanistan. [SOURCE] But now there is a sense of despair in the air. The difference is the effectiveness of the Russian strikes. Thanks to the human intelligence assets infiltrated inside opposition groups by Syrian intelligence the Russians have been able to get very accurate information on rallying points, command posts, storage areas, and even locations of leadership personnel of these terrorists. Human intelligence provides more accurate data than drones, flybys, signal interception, or game theory analysis. Human intelligence is right there, right now. ..."
"... Also the hysteria will run deeper now if any special forcers advisors were in those IS command bunkers… ..."
October 07, 2015 | The Vineyard of the Saker

It's been a week since the Russian airstrikes began in Syria.

From the Syrian military standpoint this was perfect timing. Morale has been an all-time low amongst the Syrian Arab Army and Hezbollah forces deployed in Syria. Heavy intermixed regular and irregular fighting for a better part of four and a half years is draining to any military, let alone a small country such as Syria. [Source]

Syria is a destroyed country. It is nothing but a husk of its former self. Ancient historical sites that once drew in the tourists have been pillaged and demolished by the Islamic State. Infrastructure such as roads, power lines, and water systems has been set back forty years. Major segments of its population are refugees displaced internally and abroad. Syria truly will never be the same again. [Source]

So one can safely say the Russian air strikes (and potential increased involvement) has been a blessing to the Pro-Assad forces on the ground. Syria has been restricted to fighting one military front at a time due to manpower shortages, giving opponents the ability to take advantage of lightly reinforced government-held areas and outskirt outposts. These Russian air strikes will not only strengthen SAA ground offensives but also support defending forces at the fringes of government control. For the Syrian draft dodgers the Russian air strikes are taken as a form of hope; finally there are other countries besides Iran that want to see a stabilized Syria. Islamists are now being struck by US jets in Iraq but by Russian jets in Syria, leaving only Jordan and Turkey as the only safe havens left.

As for Russia, it has decided to step up and do what the Americans can't (or won't) do and that is to try to put the Islamic extremism genie back in the lamp, in Syria anyway. For Russia this is a gamble. Many hawkish individuals are screaming that this will be a second Afghanistan. Undoubtedly Wahhabi Islamists within the Caucuses are fuming at the Russian involvement in the Middle East, and unlike the United States, Russia is within reach of these domestic jihadists. It's safe to assume Russia probably stepped up domestic surveillance and security in potential hotspot areas within its territory. [Source] After all it wasn't that long ago when Prince Bandar was talking about how he can "turn-on and turn-off" the Chechen Jihadists. Who knows how much truth that holds… if any… but better to play it safe. [Source]

For Russia has a lot to lose in this intervention. A downed and captured pilot may be a domestic political nightmare. Even though the Russian airbase is heavily guarded and patrolled 24 hours of the day, the potential for material loss of fighter jets in a surprise suicide attack is still there. Let's not forget how resourceful Islamists can be. It seems over the years even the most blockheaded of mujahids can surprise you in today's 21st century of warfare. Take a look at the Taliban's successful attack on Camp Bastion in Afghanistan in 2012 where they successfully destroyed six harrier jets (and severely damaging two more), a C-130 plane, and killed 2 marines while trying to gun for Prince Harry himself (who was stationed at the base as part of his military service). [Source]

The government of Syria formally requested aid from Russia and Russia replied in the form of airstrikes. Why Russia chose now to help Assad and not earlier is still a puzzle. Of course Russian gains a few things from this expedition. For one, it's better to these Wahhabis, especially the Chechens who were imported to the area thanks to Saudi Arabia, in Syria than to have to fight them in Russia.

Secondly this is a perfect chance to test out some military hardware. Not only is this an opportunity to see how well these aerial weapon systems work in conjunction with coordinated ground operations in real life combat scenarios (with a ground force comprised of ex-Soviet and Russian equipment) but also test out the electronic warfare systems against the regional players. Turkey, Israel and Jordan all have electronic warfare units. Air warfare and electronic warfare go hand-in-hand. There is no such thing as a modern air operation without electronic warfare being involved.

And finally to keep Assad afloat, an ally and for some reason one that has had a long history of support from Russia (and once USSR). In the past providing advanced weaponry of all forms, from anti-tank missiles to anti-air weapon systems, tanks to fighter jets, etc. etc. Of course in keeping the Assad government alive so too are the Russian naval base in Syria.

Still one must wonder. Russia must gain something more than that. Especially with the risk it is undertaking.

ISIL is not a stupid player in this conflict. The Islamic State has been able to fool the US into providing weapons and training for the jihad for quite some time. ISIL has also endured a year of strikes from the US and its Arab partners, sometimes averaging to a dozen strikes a day. There have been more bombs dropped on ISIL in the past year than the 5 years in Afghanistan. [SOURCE] But now there is a sense of despair in the air. The difference is the effectiveness of the Russian strikes. Thanks to the human intelligence assets infiltrated inside opposition groups by Syrian intelligence the Russians have been able to get very accurate information on rallying points, command posts, storage areas, and even locations of leadership personnel of these terrorists. Human intelligence provides more accurate data than drones, flybys, signal interception, or game theory analysis. Human intelligence is right there, right now.

So let's take a look at the actions, potential actions, and events of each actor in this theater of war:

Russia:

• Expanded an airbase and reinforced it with ground security forces which include round-the-clock helicopter gunship patrols.
• Advanced electronic warfare platforms spotted at Latakia [Source]
• Has created a Joint Information Center (co-ordination) with the organizations that have units on the ground such as Syria, Iran and Iraq. [Source]
• Plans to cull the number of renegade Chechens in Syria instead of waiting for them to come home and cause trouble in Russia
• The opportunity to test out the latest variants or upgrade kits on fighter jets in combat situations for realistic performance data (Su-24M, Su-25SM, and Su-30SM are upgraded variants of their original make design for a modern electronic warfare-laden battlefield).
• Consistently attacking ALL opposition positions, starting with those threatening the Syrian regime first and moving up to ISIL; perhaps in tangent with an Iraqi ground op.
• Mulling expanding its mission into Iraq if requested by the Iraqi military.
• Big international prestige and PR campaign…. If successful.
• The Russian deployment is somewhat an assurance against Israeli air strikes on IRGC and Hezbollah forces.
• Russia has the option to punish Turkey for its support in allowing ISIL to use its borders by discretely (or overtly) aiding the Kurds; as the Kurds have been a US ally since the Iraq invasion in 2003 the US can't overtly denounce the aid.
• This entire air operation might be a way to bridge the gap between the US and Assad. The US is unwilling to work with Assad and Iranian forces on the ground, but Russia has no scruples in doing so. The US, with its considerably larger air force in the region, can strike while Iran and Syria provide the intel alongside Russia. The US can save face, Russia can save an ally, and Syria and Iraq are literally just saved. (Wishful thinking).

Syria:

• Syria right now is taking cover to recoup and to play some propaganda cards to try to get as many people on the regimes side as possible.
• Draft dodgers may be incentivized to commit to their conscription due to the positive foreign intervention from a superpower (finally, a nation with high-tech equipment actually bombing the terrorists for once).
• Syrian military morale, which was low due to the never ending flow of foreign fighters, has slightly increased because of the Russian air strikes.
• The Syrian military has been restructured twice times throughout the conflict. First from its old Soviet-modelled format to a hybrid military incorporating conventional and irregular forces to a garrison-style force adjusting for a protracted conflict. [Source]
• Syrian Air Force is freed up to provide direct air support to Syrian Arab Army units while Russian Air Force maintains pressure on the "rear" of the opposition with surgical strikes on command centers, training sites, and storage areas.
• There are some heavy urban battles to come for the Syrian Arab Army which is projecting a lot of causalities (some even suggesting the Russians will provide the SAA infantry-based thermobaric weaponry to help clear our urban city centers).

Iran, Hezbollah:

• News everywhere of amassing ground forces. It seems that Iran and Hezbollah are going to commit larger forces in ground offensives orchestrated along Russian air strikes.
• Iran, under the cover of Russian air strikes, has managed to transfer mores weapons that were too hard to do with the threat of Israeli air strikes. This includes advanced anti-air missiles and converted SCUDs for anti-ship roles. [Source]
• Iran might be committing IRGC battalions in Syria and may be mulling the deployment of greater assets.
• Hezbollah counter-intelligence (or Syrian secret police) units may attempt to assassinate opposition rebel leadership being harbored in Jordan or Turkey. In the past an FSA commander was found murdered, Jordanian government claimed it was criminal and not politically motivated. Others claim it was an assassination. [Source]

Iraq:

• The US currently has a significant number of advisers in Iraq and specifically Baghdad. This includes AH-64 Apache gunships which turned back ISIL when it was about to descend on the capital. [Source]
• Iraq has consistently provided fuel and diesel to Syria as part of its struggle against ISIL. Both Iraq and Syria are plagued by ISIL and other dissident factions.
• Iraq may petition Russia to envelop Iraq in its air operation should events in Syria turn for the better. [Source]
• US support for Iraq is extend

Islamic State:

• Right now ISIL is reinforcing towns and cities under its control by constructing tunnels, reinforced foxholes, and other bunkers to ride out the Russian air strikes; much like the tactics used by Hezbollah in the 2006 Israeli-Hezbollah. This is to preserve the manpower for any ground assaults. Expect multi-month sieges.
• Probably planning for some type of attack inside Russia proper as retaliation like those seen in Europe. Perhaps targeted on ambassadors or other dignitaries.
• Some forces have retreated to Turkey and Jordan until the situation dissipates.
• Might commit to a PR stunt such as bombing internationally protected civilian facilities like schools or hospitals and blame it on Russian air strikes. Remember the Chlorine gas attack which was immediately pinned on the Assad government, but both the UN and Russia proved was committed by the rebels in hopes of drawing foreign intervention. [Source]
• Convince Turkey to provide high-tech anti-air weaponry (Turkey has been proven to have direct talks to the leadership of ISIL) [Source]
• Human shields can possibly be used in some PR stunt.
• It seems that ISIL has been taken by surprise by the Russian air strikes. This means that the US has been purposely leaving them alone in certain areas.
• The current interim operating procedure for ISIL is to spot when Russian fighters take off from their base and begin warning units. So far it may involve "moving munitions 15 meters underground", "moving tanks, cars, and cannons daily never leaving them in one spot", "keeping your engines on at all times", "be prepared to move at a moment's notice", "destroy sim cards of all 'senior' commanders", "stay away from villages" [Source]

GCC-Supported Opposition ARMY OF CONQUEST (FSA & remnants of Al-Qaeda in Syria; Al-Nusra Front):

• These groups are seen as terrorists in the eyes of Russia and have been struck.
• A number of FSA fighters have already surrendered to the government and a larger number has already fled to Jordan thanks to the psychological impact of the Russian strikes.
• Fresh reinforcements, most likely thanks to Saudi Arabia and Qatari money, has arrived from the North Caucasus including Ukrainian specialists and experts (suggesting some new type of weapon system may be soon given to the opposition forces or targeted against the Russian forces in Syria). [Source]
• Right now the Army of Conquest is a conglomeration of forces which include various Islamist factions including Al-Nusra Front, and mercenary forces hired, trained, or supplied by the CIA, Turkey, GCC, or other Western-affiliated actors. They "fight alongside" the FSA. It fights against the Islamic State, Hezbollah, and the Syrian government. [Source]
• The FSA is rumored to be gone, just a media myth. The majority defecting to ISIL. There are only Islamists of varying shades. [Source]
• The Army of Conquest is being coordinated by commanders stationed in operation rooms sponsored by Saudi Arabia and Qatar and hosted in Jordan and Turkey, safe from Russian air strikes (for now….) [Source]

Arab Nations (Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and Jordan):

• Saudi Arabia right now is being bogged down with its operations in Yemen. Iran may have tipped the scales by offering some sort of material support to the Shia-Houthis now engaged in fighting the Yemen government and its Saudi backers.
• Saudi Arabia is also trying to confront Iran in other proxy wars, including Iraq, Lebanon and potentially Bahrain.
• If the US doesn't act in time Saudi Arabia will take it upon itself to finance some sort of attack on Russia either in Syria or somewhere. If this doesn't materialize then Saudi Arabian capabilities are beyond incompetence.
• Qatar will be fronting the majority of the financing for the opposition forces. Qatar has always been the hotbed of international terrorist financing [Source]
• Jordan has been playing both sides. It assisted the US in training a proxy force which would cross from Jordan into Syria, but has also tipped off Syrian intelligence of these forces so they may be arrested or destroyed before doing harm. It has been trying to shift back to neutral. [Source]

Israel:

• Israel has been informed of the Russian air operation.
• Israel will not risk an air confrontation with Russia. After the 2006 Hezbollah-Israel war, secretary-general of Hezbollah, Hassan Nasrallah was giving a speech in Beirut right after the ceasefire as a show of solidarity with the people. Israel was denied the ability to launch an air strike assassination against this very important target due to the deployment of French Air Force fighter jets during his speech [Source]
• Israel has committed mock air attacks on UNIFIL before to trigger a response. It may commit the same action against Russian or Assad forces in a hope to draw out a reaction. [Source]
• A weakened Syrian state, now without large stockpiles of chemical weapons, may be forced to accept the Israeli annexation of the Golan Heights.
• Israel will continue to provide medical aid to rebel and Islamist fighters in the Golan Height [Source]
• Israel claims it can overcome the S-300 and deal a marketing blow to Russia if it needs to strike targets inside Syria, such as weapon shipments to Hezbollah. [Source]

Turkey:

• Probably the biggest loser of the entire debacle. Not only is Assad going to remain standing but it looks like the Kurds will be in a better position to resist Turkey thanks to their quasi-state-like Kurdistan that intersects through Syria, Turkey, Iraq and Iran.
• Wants a NATO or US-sponsored no-fly zone on its border with Syria to allow operations against the Kurds to remain unimpeded.
• Turkey, being denied further escalation against Syria, has used the Syrian refugee crisis as means to attack the EU by letting them pass through into EU proper.
• Turkey has had to deal with jihadis seeping over the border, with car bombs and other terrorist acts occurring throughout the country. If jihadis flee back into Turkey this could be more trouble.
• A ground invasion of Northern Syria to create a buffer zone for the opposition seems unlikely.
• Russia has accidentally strayed into Turkish air space for a few seconds, creating some chest-thumping by NATO [Source]
• US Patriot missiles mandate expires on October. Are they still in Turkey? [Source]
• The EU is currently working on a crisis plan with Turkey to stem the flow of refugees. [Source]

United States of America:

• The US currently has limited options to the Russian air strikes.
• The US still has a significantly larger air fleet in the region and has committed a ludicrous amount of airstrikes, drone strikes, missile strikes, and other strikes.
• It will suffer an international PR fiasco if Russia can restore some order in Syria within a few months. [Source]
• US along with its allies (perhaps Turkey and/or France) may attempt a ground operation in the North-East part of the country; perhaps to divide the country in some spring 1945 Berlin situation.
• The US can actively arm opposition forces with heavier weapons, risking their proliferation, to deny any Russian gains.
• The Ukrainian operation may be ramped up again.
• The US may be looking to accept any face-saving measure to get out of the Syrian mess seeing the red line the Russians have drawn in regards to Assad. Avoiding major conflicts with Russia as more important than pleasing the Saudis and their secret war against Iran.
• Currently the US and Russia are just starting to work on an agreement to coordinate air operations in Syria. [Source]
• Air strikes are still being commenced in Iraq against ISIL and Afghanistan against the Taliban.

• Chances are both the US and Russia are monitoring each other's electronic emissions.


on October 07, 2015 · at 3:07 pm UTC

article from Counterpunch on humanitarian hypocrisy:

http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/10/07/the-double-speak-of-american-civilian-humanitarianism/

Penelope on October 07, 2015 · at 3:12 pm UTC

Four Russian Navy warships have fired a total of 26 missiles at the position of the terrorist group Islamic State in Syria, Russia's Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu announced. The missiles were fired from the Caspian Sea.
"Four missile ships launched 26 cruise missiles at 11 targets. According to objective control data, all the targets were destroyed. No civilian objects sustained damage," Shoigu said.

The missiles flew some 1,500 km before reaching their targets, probing their efficiency.

The missile attacks came from Russia's fleet in the Caspian Sea, which borders Russia, Iran and three other littoral countries. The precision weapons hit all intended targets.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-07/russian-warships-launch-missile-attack-syrian-targets-clearing-way-iran-ground-invas

Anonymous on October 07, 2015 · at 3:47 pm UTC

One of the unintended consequences of Russia's military action is exposing how stupid Kiev was claiming every five minutes they were fighting the Russian army and airforce. Also exposing the absurd attempts of msm journalists. I think many will see what has happened and grasp the fact that that if the Russians had entered it would have been over and out very quickly for the kiev junta. The west and nato is seething at this flexing of military muscle knowing that they have lost the plot/narrative big time here. Cruise missiles flying through iran and Iraq and hitting their terrorist targets, conveniently passing turkey, poetry in motion!

Anonymous on October 07, 2015 · at 4:02 pm UTC

Yes, been the buzz for a few hours (everywhere except here in sleepy Sakerland) - basically a 26-missile birthday salute for Putin using equipment only 'lawful' if not launched on land from the only sea/lake that the US/Nato cannot have a boat in. Brilliant!

A couple more weeks then on into Iraq (by invitation) and Obama's pivot out of the Middle east will be all but completed - with Putin's boot-prints embossed on his backside to boot.

The degenerate Saudi regime are squealing all the way to market and it's not hard to see why. Egypt's SiSi and military are on side with the Russians, Yemen is a war-crimes mess and UN Human Rights a joke - and cracks in the US/Nato un-affordable facade are occurring with high ranking suggestions that the Obama Administration are funding ISIS.

"Do you realise, now, what you have done, Mr Obama?"

Game, set, match, dip-shit!

mmiriww on October 07, 2015 · at 4:11 pm UTC

What is not mentioned here is they took out some IS command bunkers with their advisors without any warning. The US just admitted that they have special forces observing IS.. So does the SAS of UK and Australia, all dressed up as IS.. Russia already gave warning so they could leave and I bet a lot of them have seeing the hysteria and the terrorists running for the hills after their commanders left for safer zones..

But I bet no one expected to get hit with millions dollar cruise missiles deep in IS held territory. Also the hysteria will run deeper now if any special forcers advisors were in those IS command bunkers…

Anonymous on October 07, 2015 · at 4:31 pm UTC

Article is a good reason why when it comes to geopol news/events, I can barely stomach reading ZH for its time-wasting infotainment content, delivered smarmy smug style.
I see the root story of many of his articles on other websites between 2 & 10 days before it appears there.

Notice his inexcusable disgraceful slam against the SAA, as if they don't exist & haven't for eons?
In all that time, while they've been worked over from the air by the murderous 'coalition', almost a
quarter million dead & up to 1/3 of Syria's civilians living as refugees.

Sickening.

Solon on October 07, 2015 · at 3:16 pm UTC

Important article on Matt Drudge, the media, politics, social control and the corporate takeover of American culture and the citizens' minds.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/10/07/matt-drudge-blisters-corporate-media-hillary-clinton-and-sick-americans-in-rare-interview/

He knows. He understands.

This is the key analysis in a nutshell. Understand what he is saying you understand America and why it is a danger to itself and the world.


teranam13 on October 07, 2015 · at 3:27 pm UTC

Keep your eye on Erdogan: He has royally p-ssed off the Kurds within Turkey and now the jihadis will flee back over into Turkey to cause mayhem there. He is up for power renewal Nov 1st so he may try to play the US like the Saudis do in which case things will get very nasty .

The "we have good relationship with Russia" is a diplomatic deception like Hitler had good relationship with Stalin: he is playing a very dangerous double game but he thinks he is up to it because he is blinded by his arrogance. Hubris follows arrogance like winter follows Fall.

Martin from Soviet East-Berlin on October 07, 2015 · at 3:57 pm UTC

Thank you John for this excellent work!

From me for now only some links that some may find interesting:

Russian Warships Launch Missile Attack On Syrian Targets, Clearing Way For Iran Ground Invasion
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-07/russian-warships-launch-missile-attack-syrian-targets-clearing-way-iran-ground-invas

And here is a nice and live video from the Russian Ministry of Defence of this missiles leaving Caspian Sea for the "any target within Saudi Arabia and Qatar" range
Массированный удар высокоточным оружием по объектам ИГИЛ в Сирии из акватории Каспийского моря
(Massive attack of precision weapons targetting ISIS in Syria, shot from the Caspian Sea some 1500 kilometers away)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMasnaAf_H4

Russia Sends The USA A HUGE Message From The Caspian Sea
http://themillenniumreport.com/2015/10/russian-missiles-hit-is-in-syria-from-caspian/

Putin: Who created ISIS?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbZDyr2LkdI&app=desktop

Here some readers' comment found on above ZH link:

A)
"""""Eisenhorn
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This situation just highlights the stupidity of the western game plan.

This has always been about natural gas lines through Syria into the southern EU.

The west needed to distract Russia with the debacle in the Ukraine to prevent her from being able to respond in Syria adequately.

That effort failed abysmally.

Syria is a Russian vassal state. From the beginning of this effort the endgame was ALWAYS you must be prepared to fight the Russians in Syria to achieve your goal. If you are not prepared for that eventuality, then your plan was doomed from the start.

Russian CANNOT allow Middle East natural gas to flow into the EU. The only thing keeping the Russians relevant geo-politically are their a) Nukes and b) EU reliance on Russian natural gas.

So since the Ukraine "force Russia to fight on two fronts" plan just crashed and burned, you now have to either fight them directly in Syria or tuck your tail and go home leaving the Middle East to the Russians.

We obviously will not abandon our gulf allies in the region, so at this point it is only a matter of time before we start shooting Russians and Iranians.

Grab your popcorn, it's about to get very ugly.

The psychopaths are truly running the asylum."""""

B/C/D …)

Wed, 10/07/2015 – 09:01 | 6639068 agent default
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The US will cut and run but there is one thing that I have no answer for. If Russia settles in the ME, Saudi Arabia and Qatar will have to play nice since it will become obvious that the US cannot and will not help them. So two things happen. Either they drop the dollar, or regime change and then they drop the dollar. Either way the petrodollar is finished. What does the US intend to do about this and how far are they willing to go? I honestly don't have any sort of answer for this situation.

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Wed, 10/07/2015 – 09:29 | 6639200 flapdoodle
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The *really* big problem with the US Deep State is the following:

1) The US Dollar as World Reserve Currency is based on, well, the fact that it is the WRC. The "faith" the rest of the world invests in the Dollar is only backed by momentum – and the perceived preeminence of the US armed forces.

2) Just as the first Iraqi war was seminal in the fall of the Soviet Union IMHO when the world (and particularly the Soviet military analysts) were able to see the overwhelming technical superiority of the US smart weapons and the ease with with the US disposed of Saddam's huge standing army (breaking the illusion that the Soviet Union was a superpower on the par with the US), the move into Syria by Russia by the invitation of the legal government of Syria is in my opinion just as historic and seminal, the bell weather for a major sea-change in the the power structure of the world.

3) Russia in Syria has, at least in its first appearances, greatly neutralized ISIS, which was touted as a huge almost invincible juggernaut, putting on a clinic of technical prowess and coordination almost comparable to the US effort in Iraq 1.

4) The paradigm of the all powerful US military has taken a big hit, if not by its lack of technical superiority (the F35 fiasco does not inspire confidence in US technical capability), but by its intentions, will, and compentence. the MSF hospital in Kunduz fiasco in juxaposition with the well planned Russian strikes against ISIS (which the US supposedly has been attacking for 13 months), raises the question: if you needed someone to protect you, do you trust the Russian military or the US military?

5) The above question is a fatal doubt intruding into the all powerful US paradigm – if the Saudis and other important players (Germany!) start to question US power and cozy up to the Russians, the US petrodollar is done for, and with it US dollar as WRC – the US as a nation will start an inevitable slide into third world status if that occurs. Imagine what happens for example if the US has to pay its military budget from actual assets or savings rather than just print dollars it needs to buy the hugely expensive F35 or send billions to Israel…

6) What gives pause are what the US might do about what has just happened in Syria. The most rabid neocons may push the US into a poorly thought out confrontation, and get us all killed in the worst case.

7) Whatever response the US tries will not change the death of the US Dollar as WRC. The only question is how soon it will be cast aside (and my gut tells me it will be relatively soon, regardless of how "oversubscribed" dollar denominated debt is to the actual number of dollars in circulation)

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Wed, 10/07/2015 – 09:30 | 6639250 agent default
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The dollar is the reserve currency because that's what OPEC demands in exchange for oil. The moment this changes, the only momentum behind the dollar will be the containers full of dollars flung back to the US.

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Wed, 10/07/2015 – 09:50 | 6639379 conscious being
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Right snd OPEC demands $'s because they don't want to get bombed, etc. It's military force, or death controls as Radical would say, enforcing dollar acceptance. When the threat is no longer believable, countries will be free to dump the dollar and stop paying the imperial tax.

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Wed, 10/07/2015 – 10:31 | 6639568 Urban Redneck
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No. The dollar is the WRC and maintains that status because BANKERS structure and denominate financial markets around USD hegemony and complementary (arbitrageable) currencies. If the 6 largest oil traders in Geneva changed the preferred denomination of their PAPER oil contracts to EUR, CNY, or basket tomorrow, the impact on WRC would be orders of magnitude larger than ANYTHING that OPEC ministers could ever do.

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Wed, 10/07/2015 – 10:05 | 6639457 Omen IV
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you give no value to Iran in your analysis –

the Russian weapons and tactics coupled in a few weeks with Iran on the ground with Soleimani leading will tell SA – its over – from Iran to Libya will potentially be at peace – if the SA fuck around they will be taken out – The Princes want Mansions in London / Paris / LA with binders full of women and Ferrari's – they are lovers not warriors

we will have Iraq firmly under Iran control with the Kurds with their own land driving Erdogan crazy and the USA Fucking the world somewhere else

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Wed, 10/07/2015 – 10:17 | 6639513 BarkingCat
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We don't want to see Russia become dominant and US collapse.
What we want is at least one more equal power to keep the children in check.
That is exactly what those psychopaths in government are – children. They sure behave like it."""""

Carmel by the Sea on October 07, 2015 · at 4:12 pm UTC

Russian Navy Fires 26 Cruise Missiles into Central Syria: ISIS Positions Targeted
http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russian-navy-fires-26-cruise-missiles-into-central-syria-isis-positions-targeted/

Russia would Consider Extending Air Strikes to Iraq if Requested
http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russia-would-consider-extending-air-strikes-to-iraq-if-requested/

ISIS Suffers Heavy Losses After Another Failed Offensive in Deir Ezzor: Terrorists Blame Russia
http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/isis-suffers-heavy-losses-after-another-failed-offensive-in-deir-ezzor-terrorists-blame-russia/

Anonymous on October 07, 2015 · at 4:47 pm UTC

Hmmmm….maybe this is why Nutty was in such a tizzy these past 2 weeks.

Maybe when Putin told him he'd clean up Syria in record time, he meant or inferred the Golan, too?

I always figured Nutty would be the prima donna candidate to accelerate this crisis further & faster along to its appointed conclusion ca NOV 30, so watch out for another Wile E. Coyote moment from him sooon.

http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-and-popular-committees-launch-counter-attack-in-the-golan-heights/

The Syrian Arab Army's 90th Brigade – in coordination with Fouj Al-Joulan (Golan Regiment) and Liwaa Suqour Al-Quneitra (Al-Quneitra Hawks Brigade) of the National Defense Forces (NDF) – have launched a counter-attack in the Golan Heights after the Islamist rebels of Jabhat Al-Nusra (Syrian Al-Qaeda) and the Free Syrian Army (FSA) took control of the strategic hilltop of Tal Al-Ahmar.

Daniel on October 07, 2015 · at 4:56 pm UTC

The Syrian oxymoron "explained"

Let me se if I can get this right? We have country A which officially claims that it is "fighting" a war against terrorists (which by the way it has created it self in the first place) but doesn't want to bomb because of the following logic "yes they are bad but Assad is worse" and then we have country B which states it will fight terrorism and is actually doing what it says ,on the very invitation of the host country (whit in the boundaries of international law) which is plagued by the same terrorists threat, that country A is both supporting and "fighting" against simultaneously!? (now how this is possible I really don't know?)

Country A is opposed to the idea that country B is willing to help in the fight against the terrorists in a mutually beneficial joint venture. Country A is against this very same joint effort whit country B, because country B wants to fight even the terrorists that country A considers to be the "good terrorists" depending on whom they are fighting against? Now if you didn't understand a word of what I just said, that is perfectly all right, because I didn't understand it my self either? But this is about the closest that I could interpret Washington's policy stance on Syria these days.

TooLegit2Quit on October 07, 2015 · at 4:57 pm UTC

Some Russian humor here for you guys. The drawing is pure, unadulterated genius (does anybody know the cartoonist?) Oh, and the best punch line ever; these are leaflets dropped on ISIS =)

Article here [propaganda puke alert]: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3261603/Don-t-make-worse-Helicopters-drop-leaflets-ISIS-rebel-fighters-warning-ahead-huge-Russian-backed-ground-offensive.html

You can skip to the picture here: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/10/06/08/2D218BDB00000578-0-image-a-1_1444118222619.jpg

PS; if you do click on the article and scroll down to the comments you will see that public opinion overwhelmingly supports Russia, this is happening in most news papers comment sections that I monitored so far, even the Guardian.

-TL2Q

[Oct 07, 2015] This Month Could Make Or Break The Oil Markets

Russia forecasts that its production will be drop 2 million tons (to 528 from the current 530) .
"... ... ... ... ..."
Oct 07, 2015 | Zero Hedge

October could be a crucial month for struggling drillers. With drillers undergoing credit redeterminations, October could see a wave of debt restructuring and cuts to credit lines, potentially forcing deeper cuts in the shale patch.

... ... ...

In the U.S., production declines continue, although fitfully and inconsistently. After several months of large declines in production, the supply picture has become a bit murky. For example, output fell by 222,000 barrels per day between April and May, and then by another 115,000 barrels per day from May to June. But in July, production actually increased by 94,000 barrels per day. The gains came from the Gulf of Mexico, and not the shale patch. Offshore projects are long-term propositions and don't respond quickly to shifts in oil prices. However, even taking out the offshore gains, U.S. production would have only declined by 53,000 barrels per day, a slower pace than what was seen in previous months.

gcjohns1971

"Saudi Arabia will continue to seek a rebound in oil prices only by a contraction in production from countries such as Russia, Canada, and the United States."

This is a red herring because the United States, even in the unlikely event of an oil surplus, is by law not an oil exporter.

What the 'Shale Revolution' has done is send those formerly exporting to the US to fight for markets elsewhere.

... ... ...

cashtoash

But Garrrrrtman said on CNBS [yesterday on fast money] that oil has bottomed, time to buy buy buy

Doctors Without Borders: we received no advance warning of US airstrike

This is war crime.

The Guardian


Pat Driscoll -> Haynonnynonny 7 Oct 2015 19:32

Obviously Kunduz was not a safe place, was it? And perfectly reasonable when you are under deadly attack - particularly by a so-called "protector" - to complain about it.

Paul Lorenzini -> liberalexpat 7 Oct 2015 19:32

Kosher islamists?


Gerard White -> DontHaveDontSpend 7 Oct 2015 19:31

Well, do you actually believe anything the United States says? I mean, they created this whole "War on Terror", WMD BS, they created Islamic State, they committed similar atrocities in Fallujah. The US is a terrorist state.

Pat Driscoll -> Haynonnynonny 7 Oct 2015 19:31

What statistical reports? Let's start with the last 13 months in Syria shall we? The official U.S. statistical report for innocents killed reports a total of : ZERO. Why is that? Because the U.S. military hasn't kept track. Iraq? Well, until the Iraq government complained after numerous massacres, the U.S. military also DIDN'T KEEP RECORDS. Same with Afghanistan.

crankyyankee1945 -> smokinbluebear 7 Oct 2015 19:28

let's see:......exaggerating and contorting the initial information from a diverse and complicated command structure, falsely stating that the US has refused to cooperate with an international investigation which has not been convened or decided upon......isn't that what cynical propagandists who could care less about the suffering or solemnity of a situation except to reprehensibly frame it callously for maximum shallow indoctrination effect do?

Donkzilla -> donkeyshit 7 Oct 2015 19:25

the chances of this US attack on kunduz hospital having been a mistake is close to zero. the question therefore is and remains: why?

Chaos and mass murder is causing the biggest refugee crisis since WW II, that's why.

An apparent war of annihilation on the Taliban is actually a war of attrition on Russia for selling oil and gas in euros. Millions of refugees flooding into the EU may break the EU and destroy the euro, that's what the US are hoping for, there is no other logical reason I can see for the US murdering innocent civilians.

hadeze242 7 Oct 2015 19:22

the buck stops here. He is the Commander in Chief ... then, behave like one.

US Obama should return his Swedish Nobel Peace Prize. To keep it (and the European money attached to the prize) means to besmirch the Peace Prize & all other past recipients of the Nobel Peace Prize.


BrightSpots -> Alto Cumulus 7 Oct 2015 19:20

Have to say it, but I think the USA went native and turned terrorist quite some time back. They have dabbled in it continually and on every continent since WWII. But terrorism has become the USA's modus operandi in the last 14 years.

Every horror IS have committed, the US has committed tenfold in one shape or form.

Civilians to Military deaths have been at a rate of 1000's to 1 for a decade and a half.

Their rage since 9/11 has resulted in more refugees than WWII and phenomenal civilian rates. With circling drones terrorising people, killing sleeping children and firing again at neighbours who go to rescue their dying screaming neighbours children. You know you will be targeted if you help, so you have to listen to the kid's prolonged death and hate yourself for not going to help, because the fly boys in their bunker in Nevada will get you.

That's not war, that's not security. That's sadistic terrorism on a par with IS.

SocalAlex -> outkast1213 7 Oct 2015 19:14

We are far from a fascist police state

I wouldn't be too sure about that. Do you know, for example that - unreported anywhere except, briefly, in The Nation - the U.S. has no quietly changed the legal definition of "the border" to include everywhere within 100 miles of a coast or official land border ? And that this definition includes the places where 2/3 of Americans live, and includes entire states, among them Florida and Maine?

Why does this matter? Because, "on the border", the Department of Homeland Security and other government agencies are free to do whatever they want, and normal laws don't apply. They can enter your home and search your things or even arrest and detain you with no probable cause and your other standard rights (including even the right to a lawyer) don't legally apply either! The ACLU has termed it "a Constitution-free zone", and that's no exaggeration!

And thanks to a minor wording change to an obscure law, 2/3 of Americans now live in this Constitution-free zone! This happened with no political debate whatsoever, and, given it was never reported, it's needless to say no public debate either!

Sorry, but to me that sounds very much like the tactics of "a fascist police state"...

CliftonSantiago -> Sam Ahmed 7 Oct 2015 19:13

No, you completely misread what I was saying. Which isn't surprising considering your crass profanities, which I suspect reveal a limited vocabulary and poor reading comprehension skills.

I was agreeing with your point in principle, but disagreeing with your solution, which is one of despair. Only through the pursuit of transparency will the US, UK and their middle-eastern allies be held accountable by the other nations of the world. Only by revealing their complete hypocrisy with irrefutable evidence will one be able to weaken their position. Just look at the damage that Wikileaks, Snowden, and Manning have done to the US propaganda machine.

Surrender is completely pointless. Why should one give up hope as you suggest? Do you live in Dostoevsky novel? Not me.


Federalist10 7 Oct 2015 19:11

There is some debate among lawyers about the extent to which an insurgency such as Afghanistan's technically constitutes an international armed conflict – and accordingly whether the duty to warn applies.

If we continue to willfully ignore this law, then we are as bad as the bad guys we had in mind when we first wrote it.

When did American Exceptionalism become an excuse for American Hubris?

SeanThorp -> charles47 7 Oct 2015 19:11

Are you deliberately misreading the article or merely missing the point?

I'm reading that different branches of the Afghan security services are saying that they were coming under fire and even that the Taliban were using the hospital as a base. Afaik only one building in the hospital came under fire not the 'whole hospital' as you have imagineered.

do try to keep up

Oh the irony.


Donkzilla DallasWilliams 7 Oct 2015 19:10

... you can continue this list for as long as you'd like. Enjoy!

The US is responsible for the chaos and mass murder behind the biggest refugee crisis since WW II, refuting that fact with a straw man list of conspiracy theories is a piss poor attempt at discrediting the conclusions I have drawn about US strategy.


Olorin 7 Oct 2015 19:07

Even if there were terrorists inside of hospital, even if Afghans were asking for bombing area of their choice THERE IS NO EXCUSE to bomb innocent civilians.

This is war crime. US Air Force should be careful even if ally ask for bombing their own territory they should check twice what is in targeted area. This is serious...


gossy -> Haynonnynonny 7 Oct 2015 19:06

When the last US troops go, the Afghan government will collapse pretty quickly and we'll see what a house of cards it really was, supported by US and EU grants, subsidy, and bribe money - that's all. Within 12 months of the US going the Taliban will be in Kabul and sitting down to govern. The next US president will then be faced with the usual McCain/Republican cry of being "weak on terror" - and so the BS goes on.


Alto Cumulus -> dusablon 7 Oct 2015 19:01

Continued: and that lie fails to explain why the hospital was pounded over and over despite desperate calls pleading for the US bombing to stop, and that lie fails to explain why we did not utilize our pinpoint accurate weaponry on the "area adjacent."


macmarco 7 Oct 2015 18:59

NYT says Obama is considering three different legal arguments on why the hospital attack was not a crime. My guess is that he and the DOD will claim that someone in or near the hospital was an imminent threat and had to be taken out to save lives. Obama used "imminent threat" excuse to assassinate two American citizens one a teenbage boy drinking tea. It sailed through both the media and legal community witout one objection.


hadeze242 -> Batleymuslim 7 Oct 2015 18:59

no ... even CNN (today) clearly states & shows the vidio the 30 min US bombing run on the MSF hospital (a white cross from above) was approved by US Control Centre 3 separate times. in google speak: can i hit it again ? yes, hit it. 2nd fly around: can I hit it a 2nd time? yes, go. 3rd fly around: hit is again? yes, do it again.


katiewm 7 Oct 2015 18:58

Why would a civilian hospital ever be considered a legitimate target for an air strike, regardless of whether "warning" was issued? This is shameful.

Alto Cumulus -> dusablon 7 Oct 2015 18:58

What? Weren't the taliban INSIDE the hospital dressed in scrubs? No.

Now yet ANOTHER revision: that the Taliban was "using area adjacent" to hospital.
Problems is, hospital staff has refuted that lie. And that lie fails to explain why the HOSPITAL ITSELF

Move on to your next lie.

DiggersAndDreamers -> Sal2011 7 Oct 2015 18:55

And in accepting that there is some sort of justification for it, we condone it,

I completely agree, it should be condemned in the strongest possible terms and those who are culpable should be brought to justice.


CliftonSantiago -> thatshowitgoes 7 Oct 2015 18:53

Your sarcasm aside, that is exactly what Americans think that means. Just look at the Republican party's website: https://www.gop.com/platform/american-exceptionalism/

Pretty scary actually...


CliftonSantiago DontHaveDontSpend 7 Oct 2015 18:49

You are obviously, and deliberately (american patriot?) ignorant of the articles of the Geneva Convention, of which the US is a signatory member (regardless of the Bush regime's attempts at redefining their obligations). https://www.icrc.org/customary-ihl/eng/docs/v1_cha_chapter7_rule25


ExpatJohn22 7 Oct 2015 18:45

Doctors without borders, can you stop whinging, Really? just one bomb. We have to concentrate on demonizing Russia. You are spoiling the show.


[Oct 07, 2015] Russia Claims ISIS Now On The Ropes As Fighters Desert After 60 Airstrikes In 72 Hours

The rebels in Syria are mixture of Islamic fundamentalists and Sunni liberation movement. So preserving Assad in power while better then chaos like in Libya, still does not solve the country problems, problems which probably are connected with population growth while resources are dwindling and growth of sectarian divisions within the country. The same mechanism as in Ukraine... Poverty breeds nationalists and religious fundamentalists. As both the USA and Israel are trying to use those grievances for forming fifth column and toppling of the government, meddling in the country affairs will not go away. And Russians took a huge risk here. Religious fundamentalists are good, highly motivated fighters. Afghans in mountain terrain manages to hold their against Russian air force for years (with substantial military support from the USA, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia). USA supplied Stringer missiles that destroyed many Russians attach helicopters. Not it is more difficult to do as ISIS is the force the USA would be embarrassed openly to cooperate with, but covert channels remain.
Oct 07, 2015 | Zero Hedge
One question that's been asked repeatedly over the past thirteen months is why Washington has been unable to achieve the Pentagon's stated goal of "degrading and defeating" ISIS despite the fact that the "battle" pits the most advanced air force on the planet against what amounts to a ragtag band of militants running around the desert in basketball shoes.

Those of a skeptical persuasion have been inclined to suggest that perhaps the US isn't fully committed to the fight. Explanations for that suggestion range from the mainstream (the White House is loathe to get the US into another Mid-East war) to the "conspiratorial" (the CIA created ISIS and thus doesn't want to destroy the group due to its value as a strategic asset).

The implication in all of this is that a modern army that was truly determined to destroy the group could likely do so in a matter of months if not weeks and so once Russia began flying sorties from Latakia, the world was anxious to see just how long the various rebel groups operating in Syria could hold up under bombardment by the Russian air force.

The answer, apparently, is "less than a week."

On Saturday, the Russian Ministry of Defense said it has conducted 60 bombing runs in 72 hours, hitting more than 50 ISIS targets.

According to the ministry (Facebook page is here), Islamic State fighters are in a state of "panic" and more than 600 have deserted.

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the phantom

I guess this means no more 2 mile long ISIS, toyota truck convoys flying black flags? Still a ways to go... need to see the Syrian/Iranian ground troops start moping up, then it's for real. Once that happens, the panic will really hit ISIS and the rest of the terrorists. That's when those dogs go back to their masters, the Saudi's, and ask some real tough questions. I would not want to be a member of the royal family when that happens.

[Oct 07, 2015] Summers Global Economy The Case for Expansion

Oct 07, 2015 | economistsview.typepad.com
Economist's View

Larry Summers continues his call for fiscal expansion:

Global economy: The case for expansion: ...The problem of secular stagnation - the inability of the industrial world to grow at satisfactory rates even with very loose monetary policies - is growing worse in the wake of problems in most big emerging markets, starting with China. ... Industrialised economies that are barely running above stall speed can ill-afford a negative global shock. Policymakers badly underestimate the risks... If a recession were to occur, monetary policymakers lack the tools to respond. ...
This is no time for complacency. The idea that slow growth is only a temporary consequence of the 2008 financial crisis is absurd. ...
Long-term low interest rates radically alter how we should think about fiscal policy. Just as homeowners can afford larger mortgages when rates are low, government can also sustain higher deficits. ...
The case for more expansionary fiscal policy is especially strong when it is spent on investment or maintenance. ... While the problem before 2008 was too much lending, many more of today's problems have to do with too little lending for productive investment.
Inevitably, there will be discussion of the need for structural reform... - there always is. ...
Traditional approaches of focusing on sound government finance, increased supply potential and the avoidance of inflation court disaster. ... It is an irony of today's secular stagnation that what is conventionally regarded as imprudent offers the only prudent way forward.

[The full post is much, much longer.]

bakho said in reply to pgl...

If Bush would have done fiscal stimulus instead of tax cuts and low interest rates in 2001, we could have avoided the worst of the 2008 mess. When the wealthy hoard capital in an unproductive way and use their political power to increase their wealth, it leads to a stalled economy.

Peter K. said...

Everyone is for fiscal stimulus. Even Republicans like Ben Bernanke and Martin Feldstein.

"The problem of secular stagnation - the inability of the industrial world to grow at satisfactory rates even with very loose monetary policies - is growing worse in the wake of problems in most big emerging markets, starting with China."

Interest rates are low by historical standards but monetary policy isn't "loose."

If it was loose we'd see inflation and tight labor markets.

bakho said in reply to Peter K....

Monetary stimulus at the ZLB is weak and carries more risk than fiscal stimulus. The problem for Yellen and the Fed: fiscal policy is dragging the economy down. Monetary policy would be adequate if fiscal policy were doing its part. It does not even come close. The Fed can create more money, but the wealthy are positioned to grab it so very little goes to where it is needed.

Monetary policy, no matter how good cannot fully correct for bad or inadequate fiscal and regulatory policy.

D said in reply to Peter K....

"Even Republicans like Ben Bernanke..."

Maybe that should be: former Republicans like Ben Bernanke.

http://qz.com/518111/bernanke-im-not-really-a-republican-anymore/

"I didn't leave the Republican Party. I felt that the party left me."

-JJF

Peter K. said...

"It is an irony of today's secular stagnation that what is conventionally regarded as imprudent offers the only prudent way forward."

Summers borrows/steals from Krugman.

bakho said in reply to Peter K....

The Fed lacked the authority for Cramdown and Geithner who had the power block most of the help that should have bailed out home owners. Obama's Harvard buddies were against Cramdown, the GOP is a wholly owned subsidiary of the banksters so a good policy was blocked.

BigBozat said in reply to JaaaaayCeeeee...

"But why is Larry Summers saying that the problem before 2008 was too much lending? Said so baldly, doesn't it just support austerians, like the Tory argument that Labor caused the recession by spending too much on entitlements?"

Only if you conflate "lending" with "public debt" (and/or argue that spending on entitlements is a totally non-productive use of the public fisc). If the Tories are good at conflating (and/or believe entitlements are a complete waste of money), then yeah I guess they could make claims... 'tho they'd be either disingenuous or ignorant in doing so.

FWIW, I tend to associate "lending" more with private sector activity. What Larry means by "too much lending" - in this case, anyway - was the cheap & poorly/fraudulently underwritten credit-fueled housing sector bubble.

Dan Kervick said in reply to BigBozat...

The problem was private debt. There was long secular run of private debt to gdp prior to the crash. Eventually private debt was at its highest level since 1929.

http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2012/09/private-debt-is-the-main-problem/


[Oct 07, 2015] Volatility and Oil

"... For example the energy cost to major chemicals of running their plants is significant in the united states this about 6% of the national energy consumption. Since 1994, Dow has reduced its energy intensity by 22 percent through a structured program targeting process improvements. This has saved 1.6 quadrillion BTUs, equivalent to the energy required to generate all of the residential electricity used in California for one year. The savings have totaled $8.6 billion on an investment of $1 billion. ..."
"... Vertical means incorporating finding, processing, converting chemically modifying, distributing and selling products. However even in the present time it is interesting to note how BP beat its guidance in the last quarter and other companies such as Exxon are not doing too badly. ..."
"... Exxon is an interesting case since it purchases more crude oil that it actually produces, and so a lower price helps its energy and raw materials cost structure. ..."
"... In conclusion oil is, like it or loath it, a central pillar of our modern society. Alternative sources, such as solar cells (photovolteic), wave, wind and geo thermal, do not currently posses the necessary infrastructure to support the global energy need. ..."
Oct 07, 2015 | community.3dsbiovia.com
Petroleum is a volatile product. The chemistry that enables it as such a high density energy and ubiquitous energy source is volatile. The economic environment around oil is volatile, with a growing tide of alternative energy sources, and climate change issues. The political environment around oil is volatile. However oil currently is and will I believe remain for the foreseeable future, the essential underpinning of modern societies around the globe. This is why companies like Exxon call themselves energy organizations. Its not a vain attempt to change their image but rather a real understanding of the nature of chemicals and energy and the value they bring. if you need to understand this, image that we had no fuel for transportation, goods delivery, power-stations, and lights; it would be a very cold parochial world.

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Recently we have seen a precipitous change in the energy or per barrel price of oil, across the broad markets. To many people this is shocking and upsetting; a sign of a global economic contagion. However this is not the first significant price shock in the energy sector. When I started in BP oil was about 65-70 dollars a barrel for Brent Crude and was projected to go to 80-90. Unfortunatley due to economics and supply or demand, it actually dropped. Well the oil majors learnt from that shock, the Gulf and early Oil crises. They became fully integrated corporations. The drill, produce, refine, blend, distribute and own end point of sales. They balance their exposure in the upstream and highly risky area, with that of continuous margin driven volume production in refining, and more batch driven specialty chemicals in the downstream and products domain. Now as the oil price drops, the margins and profit in upstream decreases, but the energy costs of running crackers and separating and converting columns decreases.

For example the energy cost to major chemicals of running their plants is significant in the united states this about 6% of the national energy consumption. Since 1994, Dow has reduced its energy intensity by 22 percent through a structured program targeting process improvements. This has saved 1.6 quadrillion BTUs, equivalent to the energy required to generate all of the residential electricity used in California for one year. The savings have totaled $8.6 billion on an investment of $1 billion.

So as prices drop the downstream parts of integrated petrochemicals is healthy. The gasoline stations, do not clearly make a lot of money, but the refineries and chemical production outlets are very healthy and currently running at maximum capacity, (a friend verified last week). This balanced portfolio is how the companies manage the significant shifts in costs. It also is why they really need an integrated systems view of the whole business. They need to manage, cost, risk and velocity across different sectors, with differing information, material and economic considerations. being able to have flexibility across a refinery to take advantage of local and global price shifts and consequent supply and material shifts (quality content etc) is important.

Further to this, oil and the exploration of oil has often been subject to regulations. There have been a number of very sad incidents involving oil companies that have affected the environment. In order to continue to operate, the petrochemical companies are very mindful of their "Green License to Operate". therefore they carefully track using inventory and supply chain technologies all of the products, their regulatory and environmental impact and their health, safety and fire code compliance. They do this across all their divisions, to both ensure information tractability and of course compliance to specified procedure.

Lastly oil has always been as a product subject to taxation regimes. These change and as many of you will have heard the allowances for drilling in for example the United States are considerable. Exploration and Production has always been the riskiest side of the vertically integrated, oil company's portfolio. Vertical means incorporating finding, processing, converting chemically modifying, distributing and selling products. However even in the present time it is interesting to note how BP beat its guidance in the last quarter and other companies such as Exxon are not doing too badly.
http://www.exxonmobilperspectives.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Global-oil-price-factors-420x305.png

Note Exxon is an interesting case since it purchases more crude oil that it actually produces, and so a lower price helps its energy and raw materials cost structure.

In conclusion oil is, like it or loath it, a central pillar of our modern society. Alternative sources, such as solar cells (photovolteic), wave, wind and geo thermal, do not currently posses the necessary infrastructure to support the global energy need. In order to provide a mode complete energy portfolio, Petrochemical companies are actively investigating carbon capture and conversion to methanol for energy consumption. They are likewise working very hard to optimize their entire business processes, documentation and innovation activities along a systems model approach

[Oct 07, 2015] US Ruling Circles Split On Use of Jihadists in Syria

"... Well, the United States and its allies are speaking gobbledygook, and Russia is speaking straight up plain international law truth. Theyve come to the aid of the recognized government of Syria, which is being attacked by proxies of other countries, the U.S., the Saudis, other Gulf states, and Turkey, in violation of international law. ..."
"... They are defending principles of international law. And the U.S. and its allies are violating international law, and the U.S. and its allies cannot draw some kind of red line around ISIS, the wayward jihadists that dont want to take orders, and expect the Russians to only discipline their little bad boys and leave the other jihadists alone. That only makes sense to idiots like the New York Times and CNN and the rest. ..."
"... in a way the Russian military intervention against the jihadists in Syria has given the Obama administration another chance to back off of that decades-long policy of using Islamic jihadists as footsoldiers for imperialism in the Muslim world. ..."
"... there was a growing split in the U.S. government in ruling circles, in the intelligence agencies, even three years ago. And there was a fear that the jihadists would have, were developing their own kind of agenda. And theres nothing that U.S. imperialists dislike more than people who have their own agenda. And we know now that in August of 2012, we know this because of a memo that came to light this year, that analysts for the Defense and Intelligence Agency were warning that the jihadists, the people who would become the Islamic State, were likely to declare their own caliphate. And that would mean that they would have their own policies and they would fight their own war, not the war that the United States wanted them to fight. ..."
"... And although that warning didnt cause the U.S. to reverse its long policy of supporting jihadists, it did I think make Obama much more cautious, and I think thats why he backed off from bombing Syria that same year. The same Defense Intelligence Agency analysts are now screaming that the top Pentagon brass are lying about the kinds of reports that theyve been given, reports about the growing strength of ISIS. And that argument in itself is signs of a real split in the intelligence agencies, a split in the U.S. military, a split in the Obama administration itself. A split that was evident when Hillary Clinton was secretary of state. ..."
Oct 07, 2015 | therealnews.com
BALL: So what is going on here? It almost sounds like a neo-Cold War indirect conflict of superpowers vying for colonial control over their property, or a fight over whose anti-Assad allies should be supported. What is going on?

FORD: Well, the United States and its allies are speaking gobbledygook, and Russia is speaking straight up plain international law truth. They've come to the aid of the recognized government of Syria, which is being attacked by proxies of other countries, the U.S., the Saudis, other Gulf states, and Turkey, in violation of international law. And the Russians say that they are not just defending the government that they have had relations with for decades. They are defending principles of international law. And the U.S. and its allies are violating international law, and the U.S. and its allies cannot draw some kind of red line around ISIS, the wayward jihadists that don't want to take orders, and expect the Russians to only discipline their little bad boys and leave the other jihadists alone. That only makes sense to idiots like the New York Times and CNN and the rest.

BALL: But again, for those of us who have varying understandings of what's happening here, it would seem like the U.S. would not have a problem with Assad's territory being bombed, given that the U.S. and Obama's administration in particular is no fan of Bashar al-Assad and his leadership there in Syria. Why then are they having a problem with what Russia's doing, and to what extent are the problems that are claimed to be addressed there actually caused in their origin by the United States and its policies?

FORD: Well, the United States has, and Obama knows the United States has, problems that go beyond the Russian intervention. They have problems with their own policy, which has brought them to this state of affairs. And in a way the Russian military intervention against the jihadists in Syria has given the Obama administration another chance to back off of that decades-long policy of using Islamic jihadists as footsoldiers for imperialism in the Muslim world.

And the reason that I say another chance is because it was the Russians back in 2012 who gave President Obama a similar opportunity to re-think that jihadist 35-year-old policy when they proposed that the international community supervise the destruction of Syria's chemical weapons. That was back in 2012. And that allowed President Obama to back off from his threat to attack Syria, to bomb the Syrian government. I think that President Obama backed off on that threat not because of domestic or international opposition. The United States acts unilaterally all the time, I think he could have gotten away with it. I think that Obama was genuinely afraid of what would happen if the Syrian government collapsed. And make no mistake about it, if the United States had attacked the Syrian government directly the dynamic of the situation would have compelled the United States to keep on attacking until that government was totally destroyed, just like they did to Col. Gaddafi's government in Libya only one year before.

But it is very clear, now quite clear in hindsight but I think it was visible back then, that there was a growing split in the U.S. government in ruling circles, in the intelligence agencies, even three years ago. And there was a fear that the jihadists would have, were developing their own kind of agenda. And there's nothing that U.S. imperialists dislike more than people who have their own agenda. And we know now that in August of 2012, we know this because of a memo that came to light this year, that analysts for the Defense and Intelligence Agency were warning that the jihadists, the people who would become the Islamic State, were likely to declare their own caliphate. And that would mean that they would have their own policies and they would fight their own war, not the war that the United States wanted them to fight.

And although that warning didn't cause the U.S. to reverse its long policy of supporting jihadists, it did I think make Obama much more cautious, and I think that's why he backed off from bombing Syria that same year. The same Defense Intelligence Agency analysts are now screaming that the top Pentagon brass are lying about the kinds of reports that they've been given, reports about the growing strength of ISIS. And that argument in itself is signs of a real split in the intelligence agencies, a split in the U.S. military, a split in the Obama administration itself. A split that was evident when Hillary Clinton was secretary of state.

So the Russian intervention is now forcing Obama's hand. He's going to have to decide if he's going to continue this policy with the jihadists, or if he's going to go for some kind of containment or stabilization of the battle lines in Syria. We know it's quite obvious that Turkey and Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states wanted an all-out offensive to take out the Assad government once and for all, but that has been checked definitively by the Russians. And that gives Obama another chance to cooperate with the people in the region, with Syria and with Iran, and with the government of Iraq, as well as with the Russians. He has that chance again, if he takes it.

[Oct 07, 2015] Uncertain Times Ahead For The Saudis

"... If the U.S. shale complex finally folds under the weight of its own debt, bad economics, and less forgiving capital markets allowing Riyadh to raise prices again having secured the future of the country's market share ..."
"... However, there are quite a few things that can go wrong here that would serve to destabilize the situation and if the rumors about a rebellion within the royal family are true, the slightest misstep could end up being catastrophic. ..."
Oct 07, 2015 | OilPrice.com

...between maintaining subsidies, defending the riyal peg, and fighting two proxy wars, Saudi Arabia's fiscal situation has deteriorated rapidly, forcing Riyadh to tap the bond market in an effort to help plug a hole that amounts to some 20 percent of GDP.

... ... ...

Referring to reports that the number of drilling rigs deployed by U.S. shale producers is falling, Naimi said: "Eventually, economic producers will continue to prevail," the paper reported.

Naimi disagreed with analysts who believe OPEC's market share would fall further, the paper reported. "On the contrary, OPEC's market share will be higher," he said.

Maybe so, but make no mistake, this is a precarious time for the Saudis. If the U.S. shale complex finally folds under the weight of its own debt, bad economics, and less forgiving capital markets allowing Riyadh to raise prices again having secured the future of the country's market share, and if Iran and Russia end up being content with preserving the regional balance of power and don't move to push the issue in Iraq and Yemen once they're done "saving" Syria, then the Saudis may well weather the storm.

However, there are quite a few things that can go wrong here that would serve to destabilize the situation and if the rumors about a rebellion within the royal family are true, the slightest misstep could end up being catastrophic.

[Oct 07, 2015] Chris Hayes and Paul Wolfowitz, Amazing Interview

YouTube

OldPhart

Here's a full taste of Wolfowitz as he was interviewed by some metro-sexual I've never heard of...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0-wwFE_DaM

The faggot's got some solid points over Wolfowitz.

[Oct 06, 2015] Turkey cannot endure Russian violation of airspace, president says

That's how guardian handlers want turkey to react... Those US and GB dances about Kosher islamists vs. non-Kosher islamists are disgusting.
"... Presumably the first step is to force coalition members to work with the government on airstrikes, rather than intruding daily into Syrian airspace. The tactics chosen seem to have the goal of harassing away the Turkish air force from Syrian airspace. ..."
"... OH!!! The sky is falling! Turkey, that violates (using armed fighter jets) Greece's airspace over the Aegean DAILY, condemns the violation of its airspace. After having continuously violated the Syrian and Iraqi airspace (and bombed) for months. Oh the hypocrisy....! ..."
"... they have exposed the West and NATO's complicity in keeping the Syrian war going, with the aim of removing Assad. It's quite brilliant geo-politicking. ..."
"... Well, after only ONE DAY of military intervention Russia scared the s*** out of ISIS in their very capital. One has to wonder what exactly have the coalition of hypocrites been striking for more than a year!!! - because it surely does not seem like they were actually attacking ISIS. ..."
"... We have had a nuclear deal with Iran and although most westerners consider Iranians, Turks and Kurds to be Arabs they are not. The alliances and interests are far more complex that just a Sunni/Shia divide. This is on the border of Europe, Israel and NATO. ..."
"... Are you misinformed due to blatant western propaganda, or are you a misinforming propagandist? Minsk I and Minsk II were both initiated by Russia with EU states Germany and France; the US and UK were intentionally bypassed and left out (probably because we both supported Ukraine's war against the east). ..."
"... Russia conducted Moscow I and Moscow II negotiations with internal Syrian rebel groups. The "rebel" groups that refused to participate were the likes of jabhat al Nusra and Army of Conquest and other extremist groups (most of which are manned by foreign jihadists); of which the truth has been revealed in the past week or so that such groups are proxy armies funded and armed by the US, GCC states and Turkey, among others. ..."
Oct 06, 2015 | www.theguardian.com

brews12 6 Oct 2015 19:29

The west is not sure what to do now there plot to topple Assad has failed. The West thought Assad would fall easily but no. Then they tried arming the jihadis (sorry moderate forces) that didn't work. Then they set up Islamic state isil or whatever it's called now (funny how the name changes) they must be seen as the worst terrorists ever so the west has an excuse to fly aircraft over Iraq and then syria supposedly to destroy Islamic state but in reality to aid toppling the Assad regime (my apologies the butcher Assad regime)
I always find it unusual that the west was getting much more friendly towards Libya and syria just before the Arab spring more than likely so blame would not fall there way when supposed civil war started.

Arab spring conviently starts just as troops start pulling out or Iraq and Afghanistan.

Some other questions we must now ask.

  1. 9/11 conspiracy theories now more plausible.
  2. Obama as president was this done as a smokescreen.
  3. Cameron elected UK pm way behind in polls and if not elected unlikely to get permission to bomb in syria heavily supported by sun newspaper.
  4. Turkey in nato why or perhaps we can see why now.

TomFullery -> Richard Alan 6 Oct 2015 19:29

You obviously don't know how bad things are now. USD 3'000 is just a pipedream these days and Ukraine is bankrupt (but the West doesn't like to admit it).

I hear clowns on CIF daily talking about how the Ruble is in freefall but look at the Hryvnia. Every time I visit Kiev I get more UAH for my Euros, I get better service in restaurants both because the staff are desperate not to lose their jobs and also because as likely as not I, along with the ubiquitous loudmouthed, fatarsed Yanks, am the only customer.

Ironic that I have profited from US aggression and empire building.

TomFullery -> Marcedward 6 Oct 2015 19:24

An apt description of the US as it thrashes around snapping and biting everywhere these days trying to remain world hegemon. But Russia has finally become assertive (Georgia and Ukraine tweeked the bear's tail one too often).

China is playing the chess game which may last just a few decades or may last as long as the US has existed.


kconroy869 6 Oct 2015 19:04

In a strange way, the more I see and hear about Putin, the more I admire his principles. That is not to say that I think he is right with some actions, but there is a strong logic to his views and responses. He is undoubtedly a leader. Obama, Cameron and many others are more interested in sound bites and media control than actually doing the right thing.


Shad O 6 Oct 2015 18:52

The "bad Turkey", "bad Russia" post miss the point. The question is: why? Going through the facts:

1. With with only 4 dedicated air-air fighters in Syria, Russia cannot be intentionally risking their their aircraft or challenging Turkey in their own airspace.

2. The actions of of Syrian MiGs seems too timely to be coincidental.

3. All incidents seem to involve Turkey. No other state, including those bombing Syria seems to be targeted.

4. While the Russians were somewhat apologetic, another incident happened on the following day.

Now, if we remember, the timing of the Russian operation coincided with the start of the calls for "safe zones", effectively pre-empting any further action in this direction. "Safe zones" were one of creeping escalation plans, which would eventually lead to strikes on government forces directly. Russia's plan is the opposite: they want to restore the government's control all over the country. For that they need to have the "anti-IS" coalition deal with the Syrian government.

Presumably the first step is to force coalition members to work with the government on airstrikes, rather than intruding daily into Syrian airspace. The tactics chosen seem to have the goal of harassing away the Turkish air force from Syrian airspace. Turkey is the logical first target: with their muddy record of bombing kurds and armed incursions into Iraq (again, after Kurds), they know full well their position is very shaky, and that they are protected by NATO agreements only if the state comes under attack, not if their aircraft in Syrian airspace gets shot down.

Russia's apparent apologetic response, followed by more incidents is unsurprising. Their current modus operandi is big on the "speak softly" approach. It allows them to follow up with whatever they want and seem consistent with their earlier statements. While at the same time, they can keep doing what they plan to do if negotiations do not give the desired outcome.


Vocalista Metronome151 6 Oct 2015 18:50

RT is just as useful in weighing up what is really happening in the World as any other media outlet.

Let the reader decide eh...?


log1c4l 6 Oct 2015 18:40

Poor old Recep. He was about to get his safe zone for Nusra and then Putin deployed Su-30s, Su-34s and the Moskva with its S300s.

Now he's crying into his beer with Breedlove and the rest of the Islamist/Ziocons.

Rinoul 6 Oct 2015 18:40

If I understand correctly, it is Turkey today the main sponsor of the ISIS and that is Turkey on the verge of revolution. And it is in this country population is largely adheres of radical views where the United States held nuclear weapons. And it is this country is supported by NATO. Am I right?

Cydonian1 6 Oct 2015 18:34

OH!!! The sky is falling! Turkey, that violates (using armed fighter jets) Greece's airspace over the Aegean DAILY, condemns the violation of its airspace. After having continuously violated the Syrian and Iraqi airspace (and bombed) for months. Oh the hypocrisy....!

vampire76 6 Oct 2015 18:31

People where prepared to turn a blind eye to NATO's illegal invasion of Syria if it meant getting rid of these terrorists, now that the Russians came along and highlighted how it should be done and not by arming the guys your supposed to be attacking, NATO should just get out of the way and let Russia do the job properly.


Budovski -> Ximples 6 Oct 2015 18:27

Turkey can endure spending 5 years of state support for terror networks and ensuring Jihadis can cross across its borders, and retreat back to recoup, but it can't endure an accidental 10 sec airspace incursion? Turkey has violated Syria's borders, bombing Kurds, violates Syria's airspace and also violates Greece and Iraq's airspace. When is this rogue state getting kicked out of NATO?


Vocalista foolisholdman 6 Oct 2015 18:23

All wars are bankers wars:

LINK


objectivereporting 6 Oct 2015 18:19

NATO is laughable at best. Please shut the hell up and let the Russkies get rid of the evil named ISIS. You (NATO) had one full year and the Islamic State actually expanded under your air strikes. Few days and ISIS is already running away with families to Iraq and Jordan from Russian sorties. Only thing we need now is for Iraq to make a request for Russian assistance so we can finally "degrade and destroy" ISIS along with ground ops from the Syrian army. OK Obama? All legal according to international law as opposed to the bullying the US-led coalition used to interfere with Syria's sovereignty.


Amying 6 Oct 2015 18:16

NATO have no jurisdiction over Syria and the interfering in the country by Turkey, US, etc is illegal.

Russia's presence was requested by the legitimate government. Only Russia has the authority to bomb targets in Syria.

Turkey is not going to be backed by other NATO members if they taker action against Russian jets.


Vocalista HouseholdCarvery 6 Oct 2015 18:12

"The people/govts etc do have agency for their own actions y'know."

Rubbish - the American people and the British people have no control of their governments as witnessed by Blair and Bush attacking Iraq after millions of people marched in both countries in protest.

A recent vote for Syrian action was undermined in the British Parliament so the bombing is done by the back door without media coverage and also using drones...

DavidEG 6 Oct 2015 18:06

They, their masters and their NATO stooges Will endure a complete demise of CIA-trained "moderate al-qaeda" in a matter of week. Jihadis, moderate and hardline, are fleeing Syria in droves

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/609680/Islamic-State-ISIS-Russian-bombing-terror-Syria-Caliphate-defeat

sutjeska -> Chiselbeard 6 Oct 2015 18:01

The ones in Ukraine don't want to hack people's heads off for being not quite Muslim enough. They don't sell children as sex slaves, or dynamite cultural heritage sites. Also, they don't get training and weapons from the Americans.

Kholrabi 6 Oct 2015 18:01

Come on Cameron, you worm, repeat after me with all your fusty, clueless Tory parasite mates, soon to go the dodo way: Get Hague and the one with the snout to stand in line too.

"Erdogan must go, we can't have peace in Syria and the Middle East unless Erdogan goes"

"The Saudi Pillock must go, the whole gang of those murdering backwards must go, for peace in the Middle East."

Send a pot belly to your best mate and equally useless worm, Obama.

Say something decent while you still have the time; you will not make it to twenty twenty, or anywhere near that date.


TomFullery -> Chiselbeard 6 Oct 2015 18:00

You missed the US-instigated Nazi putsch there Dude. Things were ticking over quite nicely for years in Ukraine until the US tried a takeover.

Russia checkmated and got a huge chunk of real estate in addition.


Mmirra -> Hippokl 6 Oct 2015 17:47

What do you think, would ISIS gentleman who wrap children in bombs and send them to suicide missions ever use civilians as shileds or would they try to protect them? There will be innocent people dying until the war is over.


fotorabia23 -> TomFullery 6 Oct 2015 17:44

Its ok..all the fascists are coming out in force...they can squeal Putin this that and the other..but we know what their true agenda is.Their group masturbation of Western -Israeli-Saudi imperial hegemony is coming to an end..and they cant handle it.


Sarah7 -> johhnybgood 6 Oct 2015 17:42

Don't forget Operation Ajax -- because the Iranians certainly haven't forgotten.

Mohammad Mosaddegh was the democratically elected Prime Minister of Iran from 1951 until 1953, when his government was overthrown in a covert coup d'état orchestrated by the CIA and the British Secret Intelligence Service.

Prime Minister Mosaddegh's most notable policy was the nationalisation of the Iranian oil industry, which had been under British control since 1913 through the Anglo-Persian Oil Company (APOC/AIOC).

The 1953 coup was followed by the installation of the brutal and autocratic Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, aka the Shah of Iran -- whose vicious secret police, the Savak, remain the stuff of legend -- and the Iranian oil industry was immediately re-privatised and returned to British Petroleum (BP). Mission accomplished!

Mosaddegh was imprisoned for three years, and then put under house arrest until his death in 1967.

The direct causal relationship between Mosaddegh's decision to nationalise Iran's oil sector and the covert U.S. and British orchestrated coup resulting in his ouster could not be more obvious.

Many Iranians continue to regard Mosaddegh as the leading champion of secular democracy and resistance to foreign domination in Iran's modern history.

Alas, one can only imagine what Iranian society might be like today had Prime Minister Mosaddegh's popular brand of secular, tolerant, democratic socialism been allowed to develop and flourish.

The phenomenon of regime change orchestrated and driven by outside influences produces terrible results -- in Iran those results produced the repressive Shah, who was followed in turn by the even more repressive Ayatollah Khomeini and the strict, reactionary, Islamic republic that still governs Iran today.

See the 'Arab Spring' -- in particular, Egypt, Libya, Syria, and Yemen -- for further evidence of U.S. orchestrated regime change gone horribly wrong.


fotorabia23 Don9000 6 Oct 2015 17:23

Bollox..'most Western nations'..the pious..the proud..the elite..the righteous..they started the war by arming proxy terrorists...creating a third entity in this filthy war..

so 'the boots on the ground' are not English -French speaking and doesn't look like an embarrassing invasion...unless it its CIA-Mi6 trainers ..who hid in Jordan..providing training and logistics. Fact. Stop being such a shill.


gossy Roguing 6 Oct 2015 17:22

The Afghan Mujahideen were never just the peasants they were presented as - now were they? They had Stinger missiles and anti tank weapons supplied by the CIA The CIA's current crop of Islamic Jihadis in Syria have the same but what they don't have is any real support among the populations they terrorize. The Russians are seen as liberators.


Simpleguest Roguing 6 Oct 2015 17:21

I'd like to remind you that US, together with NATO, also failed to defeat the Afgans under far more favorable (for US/NATO) conditions (lack of outside powers supporting and supplying the Afgans), which makes them (US/NATO) all the more silly.


murnau 6 Oct 2015 17:20

Turkey 'cannot endure' Russian violation of airspace, president says

Is this the same Turkey that ranges over parts of Syria and Iraq with its aircraft bombing the PKK who are fighting ISIS who are allies of Erdogan. Turkey shot down a Syrian plane which was fighting ISIS 18 months ago saying it had strayed into Turkish airspace but the plane came down in Syria. Didn't Erdogan ban youtube for a while when they had evidence of a false flag operation he was concocting to be used as an excuse to attack Syria. When the Kurds were fighting ISIS in Kobani Erdogan stood by and watched.

As for the Nato secretary general, Jens Stoltenberg isn't Nato violating Syrian airspace with its half hearted attacks on the Islamic State over the last year. The US state department laughingly report that cement mixers and excavators have been hit on the bombing runs along with Toyota pickup trucks that the US sent over.

ISIS terrorists were leading cavalry charges across Iraq and Syria mounted on Toyota Hilux trucks provided to them by the U.S.

http://www.abeldanger.net/2014/10/non-lethal-aid-toyota-hilux-trucks-isis.html

Turkish war planes continued their airstrikes on Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) rebels group in northern Iraq and Syria - See more at:

http://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/news/2015/8/3/turkish-warplanes-attack-kurdistan-pkk-rebels#sthash.65CYhO5R.dpuf


TomFullery Hippokl 6 Oct 2015 17:12

Which innocents?

How many?

Which is your source?

How do you feel about the 500'000 innocent Iraqi kids who starved to death as a result of US sanctions and which Madeleine Albright described as "a price worth paying"

How do you feel about the US war against Vietnam which resulted in 3 million Vietnamese deaths?


kenalexruss -> TarquinFintimlin 6 Oct 2015 16:47

I don't know if you're an idiot savant or not, but you sure act like you can read my mind. How dare you suggest that because I question Obama policy, that I must therefore be in support of Russia? Only pathetic morons can come up with such illogical drivel. If you are indeed a realist, you must accept the fact that the US is in support of extreme terrorism and that's fcuked up, much like your moronic mentality. Pathetic.

A realist sees things as they are and calls them accordingly.


Abiesalba -> Hippokl 6 Oct 2015 16:42

Make no mistake, the destruction of ISIS is not Putin's primary objective.

Oh, is that so?

With respect to Syria / ISIS, Russia has direct interests in defeating ISIS because ISIS is already operating (!!!) inside the Russian Federation - in the North Caucasus region.
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See for example:

ISIS Declares Governorate in Russia's North Caucasus Region (June 2015)

Note that southern Russia is also on the map released by ISIS in 2014 depicting the regions that ISIS aim to rule over within the next five years:

map of ISIS (original in Arabic) and map of ISIS (showing current borders with state names in German).

So Putin not only has the request from Syria's government (Assad) for military help which the 'coalition' striking Syria lacks. Putin / Russia also has direct interests in defeating ISIS. Apart from ISIS spreading to Russia via the Caucasus, Russia is also worried about ISIS spreading its influence into the Central Asian (Muslim) countries hence bringing ISIS to Russia's borders there too. In addition, Russia has a military base in Syria which is strategically very important to Russia (the only Russian base in the Mediterranean / warm seas).

Russia is also VERY close to Syria and Iraq.

So it seems to me that Russia has much more legitimate reasons for strikes in Syria than the 'coalition' and Russia also knows what it wants to achieve.

And of course Russia has tried to get allies for intervention in Syria some years ago, when the situation was less complex and ISIS has no risen to power yet. It seems to me that Putin judged the situation correctly yet again.


BG Davis Karl Gerhardt Hohenstauffen 6 Oct 2015 16:38

What's odd is the number of up votes for this verbal and conceptual tossed salad.
Turkey bombs Kurds because they are Kurds. Nasty, but not odd.
Saudi Arabia bombs Houthis because they are Shiite. Nasty, but not odd.
US weapons end up in ISIS hands because they were captured. Not odd.
ISIS sells oil. Good business, not odd.
It's awfully hard to build a conspiracy theory from unrelated obvious facts.

The solution is Putin bringing Assad to the negotiating table.

Now please explain what justifies CIA / the US training and arming 'rebels' in Syria? What the hell are the US and CIA doing there anyway?


Abiesalba -> Vatslav Rente 6 Oct 2015 16:35

It may be better to create an efficient army to throw out from the continent all American bases and to maintain neutrality in the dispute United States-Russia.

Agree.

Yesterday there was a comment here in Slovenia under an article about NATO condemning Russia over Turkey's airspace: Time for us [Slovenia] to exit NATO asap. It had already been too late yesterday. --- 91 thumbs up, 15 thumbs down

Note that Slovenia was in Yugoslavia during the Cold War. And Yugoslavia was a leading member of the Non-Aligned movement which was in effect a buffer between the two blocs. So we were friends with both the west and the east and the third world. The Non-Aligned movement also gave shelter and support to all those colonies emerging in that period from the devastating colonial rule by the glorious west.

Tito's funeral in 1980 was the greatest state funeral in history by the number of high delegations from countries around the world (larger than Mandela's). It was during the freezing Cold War, but representatives of both the Nato and the Warsaw states (including the UK), as well as China and many Non-Aligned former colonies attended.

At that time, the democrat Jimmy Carter was the US president, and he was attacked in the US press and by the republican (!) George Bush because he did not attend the funeral personally, but rather 'only' sent the US vice-president. I think that this (a republican slamming the US president for not attending a 'commie' funeral) illustrates quite nicely what Yugoslavia's position was in the world.
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But I think that in the present situation the EU should get closer to Russia. This really is in strategic and economic interests of both sides. Russia is also historically and culturally a part of Europe. It would be stupid to chase Russia away and make it get closer to China.

The escalation of the Ukraine crisis was a bad mistake of the EU which then so stupidly followed the US/UK hysteria and imposed economic sanctions on Russia which are hurting both sides (but not the cheerleaders US/UK).

And this constant vilification of Russia with respect to Syria by NATO and US/UK is revolting too.

And anyway it is now clear that the EU has to consolidate its foreign policy and also establish some joint police/defence forces/border guards.

And the UK will soon vote itself out of the EU too, which will make things in the EU much simpler. Because the UK as an US poodle is the one who endangered the people of all other EU members and made us all targets of terrorists. Remember how strongly Germany and France opposed the Iraq war.

So it is now a good time for the EU members to get out of NATO, let the UK float off into oblivion and to consolidate our foreign and defence policy and seek actively to get close to Russia again (I do not think this would be difficult to do once the glorious US/UK duo is out of the picture). This would also make the situation of Ukraine much easier to sort out. And Russia would be pleased to be the 'big power' in this alliance.

I would be really good for Europe to unite now (including Russia) rather than put another Iron Curtain between us and Russia (which would happen if the EU claimed 'neutrality').


BG Davis 6 Oct 2015 16:31

"Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said the Russian government was not involved in efforts by volunteers to travel to Syria to aid the Assad regime"
Exactly what they said and continue to say about Ukraine.


John Kayoss -> PrinceEdward 6 Oct 2015 16:31

Not only does Russia have no law against Homosexuality, but it is illegal to discriminate against anyone for sexual orientation or gender identity for employment purposes, thus it has better protections than the majority of US states.


MangawhaiJo 6 Oct 2015 16:24

In response to a question covering 1) The Bombing of the Afghanistan Hospital by US Forces and 2) The incursion into Turkey Airspace by Russian Aircraft, Nato's secretary-general, Jens Stoltenberg response was (in summary):

1) The Hospital bombing will be subject to a full investigation before comment should be made

and

2) The Russians should be condemned for a clear violation and serious breach of sovereign airspace.

In terms of seriousness - these acts are hardly comparable ('War Crime' v airspace incursion), the lopsided answer by the NATO secretary general does nothing for their credibility.

RobertLlDavies -> Manolo Torres 6 Oct 2015 16:21

If you keep on diverting us with facts, it's only a matter of time before you're exposed as a "Putinbot". The only true sign of an independent mind is that you parrot US and NATO foreign policy.

PrinceEdward -> impartial12 6 Oct 2015 16:21

Religious Freedom exists in Russia, and there is no law against Homosexuality. Besides, the West's attitude about Homosexuality was the same 5 minutes ago. What do the "Moderate Jihadis" (not to be confused with Moderate Serial Killers, or Moderate SS Troops) believe about Homosexuality? When does the US/UK start the sanctions against Saudi Arabia?

vr13vr -> SwissArmy1984 6 Oct 2015 16:17

In other words, move the Syrians out of their own country and let ISIS have it. Which is exactly what ISIS wants.

vr13vr -> Trumbledon 6 Oct 2015 16:16

You are jumping to conclusions. First, it is the US government that declared them all civilians, which might not be accurate at all and is subject to how good the US intelligence is, which is questionable, judging the number of US errors. Secondly, it is also a matter of definition. By default, all the terrorists are civilians. So if it is opposition that the US supports, it will be "civilians" and "opposition." If it is opposition that someone else supports, it is called "terrorists." You also start with the assumption that somehow Russia cares less about civilians than any other country and I'm not sure where that assumption came from. The "weather forecast bit" was not a response to any official report. it was a weathergirl bit that very briefly mentioned the basic weather averages in the region as a curious bit of information.

But before any discussion could be made, remember that the attack on the civilians has not been proven. It came from the Pentagon as some sort of assumption and in the age of propaganda war it is hardly a reliable information.


coughined MeandYou 6 Oct 2015 15:51

The Russians have outsmarted the West in Ukraine, where the West sponsored regime change, and now they have exposed the West and NATO's complicity in keeping the Syrian war going, with the aim of removing Assad. It's quite brilliant geo-politicking.

Unfortunately, I think the yanks are going to get pretty pissed off; especially when the House of Saud is on the blower demanding they do something about Russian involvement.


coughined -> PixieFrouFrou 6 Oct 2015 15:47

They've been wasting millions of dollars of ordnance on a few soft targets. Why do you think 'all 41' anti-Assad 'insurgent' groups (they some how cease to be terrorists now the Russians are involved) have apparently united to fight the Russians? probably because the Russians are hitting real targets.

You can imagine the terrorists/insurgents:

"Fuck me, these bastards are actually trying to kill us!"
"Yeah, nobody mentioned this when we picked up our dollars last week."
"I'm off home to Saudi/Jordan/Pakistan/Portsmouth. This isn't fun any more."


Rinoul 6 Oct 2015 15:47

The initial strategy of the Turkish war against Syria was invented by former French Foreign Minister Alain Juppe (Alain Juppé) in 2011. Later, France withdrew from the cases.

Juppe inclined oscillating Erdogan to support the attack on the traditional ally of Turkey - Syria - in exchange for the French support Turkey's accession with EU.

Today, Turkey is a key sponsor of ISIS. It has betrayed its ally and plundered Syria. Turkey deserve better fate. Famous foreign policy Ahmet Davutoglu "There are no problems with neighbors" has turned out into a huge problems with all its neighbors, thanks to the foolish ambition of Erdogan and his gang.


Abiesalba -> gimmeshoes 6 Oct 2015 15:45

At the moment Russia is bombing everybody but Daesh.

Re Russia allegedly not attacking ISIS - see for example here:
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Syria conflict: Russia air strikes stepped up

BBC, 2 October 2015
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The British-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said Russian air strikes had hit a training camp and a camouflaged command post near the IS "capital" of Raqqa, and that 12 IS fighters were killed in the attack.

Activists and residents of the city said IS had cancelled Friday prayers and emptied mosques, amid fears of further Russian air strikes.
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Well, after only ONE DAY of military intervention Russia scared the s*** out of ISIS in their very capital. One has to wonder what exactly have the coalition of hypocrites been striking for more than a year!!! - because it surely does not seem like they were actually attacking ISIS.

Go Russia!


gossy 6 Oct 2015 15:31

Turkey should be more worried that the Russians are looking for ISIS training camps and supply bases in Turkey that the Turks provide on their behalf. These supply lines will need cutting and of course if any Turkish hospitals get bombed in the process, well, they can hardly object now can they? as this has become the approved method of dealing with hospitals.


Bosula 6 Oct 2015 15:30

Turkey, US, Australia and NATO backed France violate Syrian airspace everyday they undertake another bombing and drone attack. These countries are all in breach of international law. NATO should comment on this.

Only Russia has Syrian approval to fly in their airspace.


Manolo Torres xpeters 6 Oct 2015 15:29

Much more people goes to Russia than to the UK.

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/russia-the-worlds-second-largest-immigration-haven-11053


Rinoul 6 Oct 2015 15:27

According to the French political analyst Thierry Meyssan, it is exactly Erdogan "organized looting of Syria, dismantled all the factories in Aleppo, taken out equipment." Similarly, he organized the theft of archaeological treasures and created an international market.


Vatslav Rente -> Abiesalba 6 Oct 2015 15:21

Thank You, very interesting opinion.

It is quite natural that Russia and the USA defends its interests. But I don't understand the desire completely economically independent of Europe, to make ourselves a nuclear target. Why? To obtain from USA questionable security guarantees against the "Russian threat" or to participate in its military adventures of the U.S. state Department around the world?

It may be better to create an efficient army to throw out from the continent all American bases and to maintain neutrality in the dispute United States-Russia. I am sure it will bring the world more stability in the short-term... (but in the future Europe will participate in the redistribution of markets and resources on an equal footing, with the addition of China will bring more imbalance and is likely to lead the world to a new World War).


SHA2014 -> truthbetold13 6 Oct 2015 15:09

The Shia Sunni modern political divide unfortunately has been artificially created in a typical divide and rule fashion by the neo-imperialists. Most muslim countries or at least most individuals in muslim countries did not give a damn about this sort of thing. However certain powers that be thought that this is a useful way of causing trouble and maybe this has worked to a certain extend. It certainly fits the roles of the different regional powers Iran vs KSA and Turkey. I think the man in the street is really not bothered about this. Certainly if you want to believe that this is the root of the problem you also have to concede that the west's role in this is to support and use the sunni extremist in causing upheaval in the region under the guidance of KSA.


RobertLlDavies Roguing 6 Oct 2015 15:03

They had been fighting the pro-Communist (PDPA) government of Afghanistan for years before the Soviet intervention in 1979, planting bombs in cinemas and civilian airplanes, assassinating schoolteachers etc., backed by the USA and Pakistan. These were the wonderful "freedom fighters" we were supporting ...


elder berry TarquinFintimlin 6 Oct 2015 15:01

United States support for Iraq during the Iran–Iraq War, against post-revolutionary Iran, included several billion dollars' worth of economic aid, the sale of dual-use technology, non-U.S. origin weaponry, military intelligence, Special Operations training, and direct involvement in warfare against Iran

from Wikipedia,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran%E2%80%93Iraq_war


Rinoul 6 Oct 2015 14:58

In October 2014, US Vice President Joe Biden said that Erdogan's regime supported ISIS by "hundreds of millions of dollars and thousands of tons of weapons. There are rumors that the main source of funds to support ISIS today is the sale of Iraqi oil from the oil fields in the region of Mosul, where they are carefully protected. Apparently, Erdogan's son is the one who provides the export of oil controlled ISIS. Bilal Erdogan (Bilal Erdoğan) owns several shipping companies. According to unconfirmed information, he signed a contract with the European mining companies to transport the stolen oil to Asian markets. Apart from the fact that his son Bilal leads illegal trade brings big profit to ISIS, Syumeye Erdogan (Sümeyye Erdoğan), the daughter of the president of Turkey, has the secret hospital, located in Turkey, near the Syrian border. Every day the Turkish army trucks to bring dozens of wounded jihadists where they receive medical treatment and sent back to conduct a bloody jihad in Syria. Moreover, it is persistently Erdogan kills Kurds - the most efficient army to defeat the ISIS.


johhnybgood 6 Oct 2015 14:51

The West has instigated regime change to any sovereign nation that refuses to follow its demands. These are normally - accept Central Bank loans, accept the dollar for trade, and ensure that leaders do as they are told. They have got away with this since 1945.

Iraq, Libya, Syria, Vietnam, and a host of African and South American countries have been exploited and worse since then. Since 911, the US went into overdrive with the War on Terror, and has been responsible for millions of deaths during several interventions. Now with Syria going the same way, Russia, together with other countries who are not prepared to see the world destroyed by crazy western imperialism, have intervened to put a stop to it. More power to them. The head of the snake must be cut off, and I do not mean ISIS, before the world can return to sanity.


Abiesalba 6 Oct 2015 14:47

"this does not look like an accident, and we have seen two of them," Stoltenberg was quoted as saying by Reuters.

Two? Really? What a total scandal.

Thinking about it, the US has been serially involved for a very long time in all sorts of wars, military coups and 'interventions' in other countries which involved "non-accidental" breaching of sovereignty of other states – including serial breaching of Syria's airspace for more than a year now. Some comment about that, Mr Stoltenberg?

To refresh your memory, see this list of the US military interventions:
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FROM WOUNDED KNEE TO SYRIA: A CENTURY OF U.S. MILITARY INTERVENTIONS

by Dr. Zoltan Grossman


lids 6 Oct 2015 14:36

Wait a minute: The nation that inherits the chair for human-rights at the UN (Saudi Arabia), is calling for Jihad against another sovereign member of the same council?

Did they draft a fitting resolution for the committee to make it sound?


Abiesalba 6 Oct 2015 14:36

Breaking news:

The US has its nuclear weapons illegally positioned all over Europe and in Turkey!
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Well, decades old news, but very true.

The US have their at best semi-legal (in reality illegal) nuclear weapons positioned in five European NATO members: Belgium, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands and Turkey.

Germany (the powerful Merkel's government!!!) has been trying to get rid of the US nukes for years - to no avail. In fact, the US is now (under the orders of the Nobel laureate Obama) upgrading its illegal nukes in Europe.

I am from Slovenia, and a few years ago we found out that the US has nukes in Italy quite close to our border. Well, the US nukes have been on two sites in northern Italy for decades (one site in the metropolitan area of Milano), but the Italians did NOT know about them.

Ironically in the meantime, during the last decades, Italians have repeatedly convincingly rejected use of nuclear power in Italy in several referenda - even if this means higher electricity bills for them. Only to find out that they have been sitting on nuclear weapons all along. Surely Italians have protested - eh, the US is upgrading these nukes now.

Oh, and how about the best friend of the US ever, Israel. It is NOT a nuclear power according to international treaties. But the Israel nukes - finally Pentagon admitted a few months ago:
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It's Official: The Pentagon Finally Admitted That Israel Has Nuclear Weapons, Too

March 2015
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After five decades of pretending otherwise, the Pentagon has reluctantly confirmed that Israel does indeed possess nuclear bombs, as well as awesome weapons technology similar to America's.
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The US is really a totally dangerous country. Lying, killing, serially illegally overthrowing governments in other countries, serially waging illegal wars, serially committing massive crimes against humanity, serially training and arming all sorts of dangerous militant groups, serially breaching all sorts of international conventions that they did sign while refusing to even sign some other ones etc. etc. etc.

Time to say NO to the US. Indeed, the cards of world power have quite substantially reshuffled recently - but the Americans have not noticed this yet.

Now let us go back to vilifying Russia…


Wareenan Kongsai 6 Oct 2015 14:30

Isis are a nasty bunch why would anyone support them? I thought at least Elton John woul have said something about their erosion of gay rights.The church seems quite quiet over the genocidal destruction of Christian communities too. All of this seems a long way from the teachings of Jesus Christ, time to check the moral compass and find our way.


Sarah7 Bosula 6 Oct 2015 14:25

Indeed, it looks like Stoltenberg must have stumbled upon bellicose pipsqueak Anders Fogh Rasmussen's old Viagra supply and decided to double down.

I couldn't imagine how anyone could be worse than 'Fog of War' Rasmussen, but Stoltenberg has exceeded my worst expectations and then some.

Of course, NATO is a wholly-owned and operated subsidiary of the U.S., and it is the U.S. president, the Pentagon, and the CIA who set the tone for the outdated warmongers who participate in this international criminal enterprise.

The time to pull the plug on NATO is long past due.

Vatslav Rente 6 Oct 2015 14:25

Clowns... ha ha ha:)
Broke the space Turkey? What? This is normal when inexperienced pilots bombing Syria or departing from the Crimea (new Russia) violate the country's airspace with the interests of which could not have been deemed. What's next? The Turks will refuse the Russian gas, or 20-25 % of Russian tourists? The vassal of the USA shouts about sovereignty? WOW:) IN reality, no one here brandishing weapons, the capabilities of air force and air defense of Turkey are well known Russia. NATO understands this, every year American planes violate air borders of alliance countries and countries of the third world without warning. And that? - NOTHING.

Abiesalba 6 Oct 2015 14:24

Can somebody please explain what the US strategy is here?

It seems to be this:

While Assad's forces and CIA 'moderate rebels' fight each other (because this is democratic), they will at the same time fight together to wipe out together ISIS and those 41 or so 'insurgent' groups.

Or is it that the the CIA boys will defeat everyone and rule Syria happily ever after as long as Russia keeps out.

Back in the real world, Putin is the only one with a plan and he is right too: Assad is a part of the solution.

When this devastating war ends, the only chance that Syria has is to have some rather 'firm fist' rule it for some time (and it can be Assad with some elements of opposition if they actually seriously exist as Syrians and not CIA boys). Then when the wounds heal a little, the regime can be gradually relaxed.

It is not possible to go from massacring each other to loving democracy in one step. Building democracy is a process. Democracy / a fair society Middle-Eastern-style whatever it is cannot materialise just like that via a decree.

Bosula -> Roguing 6 Oct 2015 14:23

At least Russia is bombing so called moderate Al Quaida factions which the US and Turkey support. What sort of democratic regime would US backed Al Quaida lead to in Syria?

Worth asking yourself this question and then you might support Russia bombing Al Quaida as well.


Anette Mor 6 Oct 2015 14:19

Western type of mess up. In war - no clarity who is your enemy, who is your friend and why. In peace - strong solidarity in whom to bully by not inviting to a dinner or placing in the corner talking over them Low life cheap approach. All gone down hill since they started eating on streets (and over own keyboards) and drinking from these horrendous paper cups.


Bosula -> Reia Hriso 6 Oct 2015 14:18

Turkey, Australia, US, NATO and their Saudi mates are supporting the Al Qaeda in Syria which is seen in some Orwellian way as moderate. The US and the Saudis are supplying Al Quaida with arms.

Russia just sees Al Qaeda as another terrorist group and is bombing the shit out of them.


truthbetold13 -> MahsaKaerra 6 Oct 2015 14:18

But that is not true is it? There are more than that on the list i have helpfully attached below - and that is not counting covert operations:Guatemala (1920), Turkey (1922), China (1922-1927, Mexico (1923), Honduras (1924-25), Panama (1925), El Salvador (1932), Iran (1946), Uruguay (1947), Greece (1947-1949), Philippines (1948-54), Puerto Rico (1950), Korea (1951-1953), Iran (1953), Vietnam ( 1954), Guatemala (1954), Egypt (1956), Lebanon (1958), Vietnam (1960 - 1975), Cuba (1961), Laos (1962), Iraq (1963), Panama (1964), Indonesia (1965), Guatemala (166-67), Cambodia (1969-75), Oman (1970), Laos (1971-73), Chile (1973), Libya (1981), El Salvador ( 1981-1992), Nicaragua (1981-1990), Lebanon (1982-84), Grenada (1983-84), Libya (1986), Iraq (1990-91), Somalia (1992-94), Yugoslavia (1992-1994), Liberia (1997), Yugoslavia (1999), Afghanistan (2001), Iraq (2003), Libya (2011)

Sources: "Instances of Use of United States Forces Abroad, 1798-1993" by Ellen C. Collier of the Library of Congress Congressional Research Service, and Ellsberg in Protest & Survive, "180 Landings by the U.S. Marine Corp History Division, Ege & Makhijani in Counterspy (July-Aug, 1982)"


Zaurora 6 Oct 2015 14:15

Under normal circumstances, this could be the routine*. A NATO-ally country and bordering Russian presence. However, Erdogan and minions are determined to make Turkey the battle field for WW3.

What I wonder is, how come NATO is still capable of trusting Erdogan's government after all that happened since the Syrian war started? Does anyone not remember who tried to go on a full scale war on Syria with NATO's backing up? It was always known that most of the groups in Syria which Turkey supported were terrorists, not? At a point, some western governments supported them through Turkey too, not? And lately, reports of this fatal mistake started pouring down, not? Wasn't it 3 weeks ago when nearly all of the NATO members but Turkey decided on moving on with Assad for at least a while longer?

Say, conflict of interest with Russia is understandable. Abandoning principles, not.

*http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/03/military-aircraft-interventions-have-surged-top-gun-but-for-real


Abiesalba 6 Oct 2015 14:12

Here is something about those great allies of the coalition of hypocrites whom Putin is NOT 'allowed' to bomb:
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Turkey and Saudi Arabia alarm the West by backing Islamist extremists the Americans had bombed in Syria

Independent, May 2015
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Turkey and Saudi Arabia are actively supporting a hardline coalition of Islamist rebels against Bashar al-Assad's regime that includes al-Qaeda's affiliate in Syria, in a move that has alarmed Western governments.

The two countries are focusing their backing for the Syrian rebels on the combined Jaish al-Fatah, or the Army of Conquest, a command structure for jihadist groups in Syria that includes Jabhat al-Nusra, an extremist rival to Isis which shares many of its aspirations for a fundamentalist caliphate.

The decision by the two leading allies of the West to back a group in which al-Nusra plays a leading role has alarmed Western governments and is at odds with the US, which is firmly opposed to arming and funding jihadist extremists in Syria's long-running civil war.


dadykool1979 -> deSales 6 Oct 2015 14:12

Turkey is intrinsically unstable. Atatürk's post-Ottoman modern 'secular' Turkey was built on excessive suppression of ethnic and religious groups. Around 25% of Turkish citizens are long-violated ethnic Kurds speaking a Persian-related language, many of whom dream of uniting with neighbouring Kurds in Iraq, Iran and Syria, to form a geographically-contiguous Kurdistan. Another roughly 25% of Turks in the country's middle, follow the Alevi sect of Islam, a Shia-Sufi tradition very different from the dominant Sunnis; Alevis have been persecuted for centuries.

And the remaining half of Turkey is divided along a spectrum from the secular Kemalist followers of Atatürk with their support in the military, to somewhat or highly religious Sunnis ... the Sunnis now fragmented in this huge CIA-funded standoff, with some Sunnis going with Prime Minister Erdogan, while others are under Erdogan's new biggest enemy, that CIA-funded 'spiritual leader' Gülen. Turkey in 3 or more fragments may be the result of all this.


PaulWal -> Stretch23khan 6 Oct 2015 14:05

Good question. It's all corporate. The media organisations have huge interests in the states. The U.S. Govt is a very vindictive, spiteful lot. One wrong report, and the fcc will come calling.

It's quite funny that piddly little rt has been compared to these media behemoths that have had free rein for decades, with no censure and disaster ensuing.


MisterPastry 6 Oct 2015 14:04

Why do we 'endure' Turkey's support for ISIS? Why are we constantly being lied to about the nature of this Western-inspired series of regime changes in the Middle East? Since when has any violent terrorist group been 'moderate'? Why has the UN not condemned US, UK, Israeli and French airstrikes on Syria? (The Syrian government - the one recognised by the UN, regards them as war crimes.) Our leaders never answer these questions; worse still, our MSM never asks them!


stevekeenan1 6 Oct 2015 14:03

It is good news to have the Russian Government backing the Assad regime, otherwise the situation would be alot worse. The long time Syrian ally Russia has being flying sorties against ISIS and Al NUSRA(AL QAEDA in Syria), and they won't be as soft on those human heart eaters as their NATO counterparts have been. If ISIS had attacked NATO in Afghanistan, the US would have decimated their ranks within 24 hours. It is unbelievable that they cannot stop them while they use the 2500 Humvees the Yanks handed over to them.


JohnSouttar 6 Oct 2015 14:03

If any remember the complicated Iran-Contra affair in 1985 it involved handing over missiles to "moderate elements" in Iran in exchange for help with the release of US hostages in Lebanon. There was more to it but no one really knows who in the administrations knew what. That may well be true now. We have had a nuclear deal with Iran and although most westerners consider Iranians, Turks and Kurds to be Arabs they are not. The alliances and interests are far more complex that just a Sunni/Shia divide. This is on the border of Europe, Israel and NATO. Most of it smacks of a charade. Turkey looks out across the deep Black Sea at Russia.


MonotonousLanguor Metronome151 6 Oct 2015 14:01

According to GWB it was Mission Accomplished. Thankfully, we have a vibrant, prosperous Iraq in place now. Ever since GWB convinced the Saudi Royal Family to hold elections, we have witnessed a real flowering of Democracy in Saudi Arabia. Those elections Saudi Arabia could be real close. The Woman's Freedom Party in Saudi Arabia (WFPSA) could hold the key. Hillary has been a long time supporter of them and recently spoke to them in Mecca.


jmNZ Metronome151 6 Oct 2015 14:00

The chemical warfare blamed on Assad was perpetrated by one of the rebel groups funded by Arabia - and trained by the West.


kenalexruss 6 Oct 2015 13:59

Not a fan of Russia at all, but I am ashamed of my government for bombing a hospital in Afghanistan and denying it and especially about lying to the world about ISIS in Syria and Iraq. Those atrocities and lies don't serve me. They don't serve the American people! They are an injustice to all! These people would bomb America itself if it furthered their interests!

Saudi Arabia et.al. created ISIS and the US stands behind and supports Saudi Arabia. The ties between the US and Al Qaeda just got a bit closer. All those wacky conspiracy theories just made a little more sense regarding 9-11...


duncandunnit 6 Oct 2015 13:57

turkey is been very childish, it is russia that is cleaning up all the shit that both the usa and the uk cause while creating and arming isis. Over the last few months the usa has proved yet again it can cause big issues that both it cannot sort out and that costs the eu a fortune.


Abiesalba 6 Oct 2015 13:50

We have Stoltenberg in the news here in Slovenia too. So here are some posts from the comments section of SLOVENIA's national broadcaster in relation to Russia breaching Turkish airspace (my rough translation from Slovene to English):

The Turks are bombing the Kurds who are fighting against ISIS and are among the few in Syria who are doing the West a favour (nobody wants extremists in Europe).

And the Turks have been bombing the Kurds for several months now, hence supporting Islamic expansionism.

Considering these circumstances, I support Russians shooting down every Turkish plane entering Syria's airspace.

I suspect that the Americans sold the Turks some junk planes at a high price anyway, so the Russians should not have many problems with them.

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[Note that people have to be registered posters to be able to recommend comments. And recommends over 100 are a huge number for this website - we are only 2 million people speaking the Slovene language.]
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What? Is this [Russia breaching Turkish airspace] supposed to be newsworthy? Well, if the media reported every time that the Americans breach the airspace of other sovereign countries, they could just as well start sending out tweets – every second.

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In the news: "The general secretary of NATO Jens Stoltenberg has already declared Russia's breaching of Turkish airspace to be unacceptable. He also summoned an emergency session of the NATO ambassadors where this topic will be discussed."

Well, I expected an emergency NATO meeting to condemn the terrorist attack of their own forces on a hospital, murdering doctors and patients.


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It seems this is the end of the line for NATO's bombarding of the Kurds. Wait for NATO to go totally bezerk when the oil smuggling route from ISIS to Turkey is cut off.

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Oh, so the Russians have disturbed the coalition's routine and plans. Expect for news about many more such "incidents" to come in the near future. However I think that the Russians have thick enough skin not to be too upset about such propaganda sound bites.

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Well, we can declare this breaching of airspace to be 'collateral damage' of the war on terror too. Now can the NATO members (including my own country) explain which 'collateral damage' is worse – flying into someone else's airspace where nothing happens or murdering 20 doctors and patients. Frankly, they should go and stick their drivel about airspace somewhere.

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ATL: "NATO condemned the incursion into airspace of the NATO member Turkey and called on Russia to stop attacking the Syrian opposition and civilians and that it should align its fight against ISIS with the international community."

Ha ha ha. The "international community" has been ASLEEP for two years, and now the Russians poked them a little. It seems that Russia is keeping the international community awake at night. GO GO RUSSIA.

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The Russians breach airspace for a few seconds. The Americans bomb a hospital. And the Russians are supposed to be the 'bad guys' here?

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How are incursions into Yemen's airspace by the Saudi criminals going these days?

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TomFullery -> EightEyedSpy 6 Oct 2015 13:45

Which planes were they taking out?

B52s, F5s, F105s, F111s, Hughies, Jolly Green Giants - basically every model the US military had deployed (around 4'000 in total).

Anyway, General John W. Vogt, commander, Seventh Air Force (PACAF) can explain it better than me:

"By July 1972, in the middle of the Linebacker operations, for the first time in the history of the United States Air Force, the loss-to-victory ratio swung in favor of the enemy. We were losing more airplanes than we were shooting down. This had never happened before anywhere in the world. Our losses were due, as I said, to our going blind into a heavily netted threat radar environment, confronting the best MiGs that the Soviets had available for export, flown by highly trained North Vietnamese pilots"


SHA2014 -> Botswana61 6 Oct 2015 13:44

THis is different now. Talking about learning from mistakes, the West certainly hasn't from the catalogue of disasters: Afghanistan, Somalia, Syria. Libya, Ukraine. Oh I forgot Vietnam. Not a comprehensive list by the way.


Anette Mor -> SayNoToEvil 6 Oct 2015 13:36

Russia count all nationalities in census. 180 last time I checked. About hundred of local origin with own land. All, even smallest got own autonomy in one of several forms available. All speak own language, tv, schools, court, official papers. State parliament low chamber got one nation-one voice representation so 80m Russians got as much power as some 100k nation. What independence you think they want? Freedom to hate and kill each other? Anybody wanting that (on American money) would face half of own nation who are not into hating neibours. You already brought your own vision to Libya Iraq and Syria - hate and violence. That is not independence. Independence is ability to chose for yourself.


Johnnyw1 6 Oct 2015 13:32

NATO is a relic of the Cold War. It lost its entire reason for being when peace finally broke out between USSR and the West, and it should have been laid quietly to rest. But that would never do, would it... the industrial/military/political complex keeps itself fat and rich by keeping us afraid, inventing enemies by the dozen, quietly looting our taxes the while. https://youtu.be/Jib1B2cyWpE


Anette Mor -> DrDrug 6 Oct 2015 13:29

There was a fight on Holand hight reported in Russian press between apparently former rebels who took Assad side and ISIS. The leader of these former rebels said he swapped sides after rebels group leaders were all invited to Israel for training. He thought it got too far and refused to go with the lot. They then attacked him and he took Assad side.

TomFullery -> MTavernier 6 Oct 2015 13:28

Russia didn't want a Nazi putsch in Kiev engineered in Washington.

Russia didn't like the way the putschists were immediately talking about reneging on the Sevastopol lease when they seized power

Russia didn't like the way the putschists started talking about banning the Russian language.

Russia didn't like the attacks in eastern Ukraine by the Ukraine military.

You reap what you sow.

truthbetold13 -> jezzam 6 Oct 2015 13:27

Odd comment when it was the US that deliberately caused the whole civil war, Assad has governed his country well for decades, and Putin has only just intervened at the request of the Syrian government. Think i know who the genocidal lunatics are here - but then i, unlike you, have a functioning brain.

NewsCorpse 6 Oct 2015 13:20
A year ago Putin was telling it like it was and still is. Russia has been incredibly patient and steady.

<24 Oct 2014 Putin at Valdai (Extract Q&A)
"I never said that I view the US as a threat to our national security." - "President Obama views Russia as threat, but I don't feel the same way about the US." - "The politics of those in the circle of power in the US is erroneous." - "I consider this absolutely unprofessional politics." - "It is not grounded on facts, in the real world." - "Can they not think a step ahead?" - "We don't stand for this kind of politics of the US. We consider it to be wrong." - "Look at Libya and what you did there, that got your Ambassador murdered." - "Was it us that did this? Who's fault is it? It is your fault." - "You must stop acting out of imperialistic ambitions and politics."
https://youtu.be/Ykb5sxTl1Rw (7 mins)

World Order: New Rules or a Game without Rules (FULL VIDEO)
Its been called the most important speech Vladimir Putin has EVER delivered. Putin targets American exceptionalism, revolution building and asks if it is the US that has abandoned the global rule book? Putin was addressing a plenary session of the Valdai International Discussion Club, Sochi, Oct 2014, a forum for leading intl analysts focused on Russia. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F9pQcqPdKo

Compare Putin's clear headed commnets in 2014 with that of Karl Rove when GW Bush was President: "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality."


snickid Reia Hriso 6 Oct 2015 13:19

If a NATO was to fly a military over Russia airspace it would be shot down, without warning.

Nonsense.

US spy planes, for example, regularly overfly Russia with impunity, e.g:

http://nationalinterest.org/feature/5-most-lethal-us-warplanes-the-planet-13364


Anette Mor Middlengland 6 Oct 2015 13:17

Voting matters very little. British arms supplied to "rebels" are already in Syria to kill Russians and British instructors are already in Ukraine to train Ukranians to kill ethnic Russians in Donbass. You do not know Britain is at war wirh Russia, but Russians do, as they are at receiving end. They know since Chechen terrorists, wanted by peaceful Chechen people for crimes against humanity, were given asym in the UK just as Russian oligarch stolen tons of money from the state and stake holders. 20 years on Britain is at war with Russia and you worry some vottibg going to maje it worse or may be hope some Corbyn coming to power may change it. Too little too late. Russians lost all patients and blown off, you still fail to notice how much you hurt them.


StevenJ19 6 Oct 2015 13:13

Turkey has a shameful record of double-dealing in this Syrian crisis, so its complaints should be treated with the contempt they deserve.


adognow -> Jack Seaton 6 Oct 2015 13:05

A war between NATO and Russia is certain to result in nuclear annihilation of most of the planet.

Which is why Erdrogan is going to be tiptoeing around this issue carefully before he arms any Islamic crazy left and right. But that of course, assumes that Erdrogan is a rational player and is arming Islamists because of some neo-Ottoman delusions rather than the fact that he believes in the end times, apocalyptic bullshit that ISIS, al-Nursa and the other Islamist terrorists believe in.

But nonetheless, the idea of NATO and Russia going to blows over Turkey is ridiculous and is political suicide for any NATO leader to suggest, especially if because Turkey started an incident by arming terrorists. I don't know about you, but I sure as fuck object to having myself irradiated over Erdrogan.

Matt G

Haider al-Abadi - "Council of Ministers considers Turkish airstrikes on Iraqi territory a dangerous escalation and a violation of Iraq's sovereignty"

Apparently a few seconds violation of Turkish airspace is of top concern however the repeated violation and bombing of Northern Iraq by the Turkish air-force is apparently expectable. However, these violation go back a long time all the way to 2012.

"The Iraqi government condemns these violations to Iraq's airspace and sovereignty, warns Turkey against any violations of Iraq's airspace and territory," government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh said in a statement following a cabinet meeting.

"Our country is exposed to external interventions. Every day we hear of aircraft from neighboring countries violating our airspace. The national sovereignty of Iraq is being violated deliberately or non-deliberately. We do not approve of that, and we cannot remain silent in the face of it. Others should question themselves on Iraq's sovereignty, security, airspace and territorial waters," said Maliki.

On top of their Iraqi incursions they've also been bombing the PKK inside of Syria http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/turkeys-bombing-campaign-in-syria-and-iraq-is-the-last-thing-we-need-in-the-fight-against-isis-10422167.html

and shelling Syrian Kurdish villages http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/07/turkey-denies-targeting-kurdish-forces-syria-150727133342474.html

and http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/01/us-kurds-turkey-idUSKCN0Q632X20150801.

However, that's only the half of it when you take into account Turkey has been buying and actively involved in the smuggling of Syrian and Iraqi oil from ISIS controlled areas and Turkey intelligence has been accused of involvement in arms smuggling http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/02/isis-detainee-turkish-intelligence-forces-helped-smuggle-weapons-to-jihadists-in-syria/. It seems somewhat hypocritical that NATO has overlooked this for several years.

On the other hand:

"I will not speculate on the motives … but this does not look like an accident, and we have seen two of them," Stoltenberg was quoted as saying by Reuters.

As far as I'm aware there has only been one airspace violation. This second incident the accusation seems to be that the Russian Mig had locked it's radar onto the jet's.

Separately, the armed forces said a Mig fighter plane had harassed a Turkish squadron of F-16s patrolling the border with Syria, locking its radar on the Turkish warplanes.

However, nothing has been mentioned what side of the border the jets were flying Turkish or Syrian. However, considering the Russian Mig locked it's radar on to the Jets and the vagueness of the report, it's a good assumption that those F16's were flying in Syrian airspace and it was a warning.

BMWAlbert , 6 Oct 2015 12:59

Well, at least the Russians are popular with the kyrgyzstan Turks (boo-hoo):

http://atimes.com/2015/10/kyrgyzstan-set-for-closer-ties-with-russia-after-polls/

Looks like Kyrgyzstan didn't get enough cookies.

haphazardly ,6 Oct 2015 12:59

The United States should threaten to retaliate if Russia does not stop attacking U.S. assets in Syria, former national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski wrote in a Financial Times op-ed published Sunday, urging "strategic boldness," with American credibility in the Middle East and the region itself at stake.

How stupid can Americans get... they still do not realize that the great and powerful US only attacks underdeveloped defenseless countries and not countries that are able to fight back. Russia can fight back and they're allied with China, so threats against Russia is unthinkable. Are they looking for WWIII or what? :/


Krishnamoorthi 6 Oct 2015 12:52

All the bastards who condemn the Russian flights straying for a few seconds or minutes in to Turkey have to remember that these are the same people who invaded Iraq and still continue to enter the Syrian airspace without permission from the Syrian government or a mandate from the UN!


RetiredMD -> centerline 6 Oct 2015 12:51

The US is sowing as many bad seeds in your mind about Russia as it can. At some time in the future they will need to make an excuse for hitting Russia either with ordinance or with more sanctions. The US is trying to slowly brainwash the rest of us in the world so we'll be quite happy when they make their despicable moves in the future. Not on my watch!

butitisnotthisday 6 Oct 2015 12:51

I presume the 5 mile exclusion zone "imposed" by Turkey is there to make sure ISIS and their friends, including the good terrorists are protected...apparently Russia does not give a shit about what the Turks say or want.


peterpierce24 -> Mr_HanMan 6 Oct 2015 12:50

I would not overestimate significance of polite gestures in politics. About two years ago Putin once remarked that 'Turkey yet has to decide where it is in Syrian conflict'
in spite on the fact that Turkey wanted Assad to go. I think Putin just keeps his options vacant in relations with neighbours and blurring mutual disagreements.


Lyigushka -> AboycalledBeaye 6 Oct 2015 12:47

'Three army groups, including more than three million German soldiers, supported by 650,000 troops from Germany's allies (Finland and Romania), and later augmented by units from Italy, Croatia, Slovakia and Hungary, attacked the Soviet Union across a broad front, from the Baltic Sea in the north to the Black Sea in the south. SS units from the Baltic states were involved in rounding up Jews and Communists'
Hint
It's called Google...


Middlengland 6 Oct 2015 12:45

It is quite correct that Russia cannot violate Turkish airspace as a matter of International Law.

However, the same critics of Russia are violating Syrian airspace without the authority of the Syrian Government.

Having been asked to provide assistance by the Syrian Government, it would also be perfectly lawful for Russia to shoot down drones and aircraft which violate Syrian airspace.

I suspect that this is the point they are making - UK be warned before we vote on yet more military action. You are not only violating International Law (again) but you are now playing a very dangerous game indeed.


Mr_HanMan 6 Oct 2015 12:44

Turkey and Russia have excellent relations, Putin and Erdogan are good friends because they are pretty much alike. Russia is building Turkey's first nuclear reactor a $20billion deal and theres the pipeline project to. Relations are so good that Turkey didn't say anything on the Crimean matter when it has its own interests in the crimea. Putin even wished Erdogan good luck in the upcoming elections and said he hoped Erdogan's AKP won when the 2 were in Moscow opening Moscow's grand mosque just 2 weeks ago. So none of this makes sense, I don't know why Russia would want to strain relations with Turkey.

haphazardly -> Indianrook 6 Oct 2015 12:44

I knew it was propaganda as soon as the MSM said that 41 Islamic terrorist groups are going to "unite"... They probably fight against one another on which social media to use for recruiting terrorists... Twitter, Facebook or Instagram.


salthouse 6 Oct 2015 12:42

It's a fair bet this incursion was planned (an accident on purpose) between the Presidents of Turkey and Russia, at their recent meeting, in order to boulster the image of the Turkish President as the great defender and wise leader of the Turkish nation under dire threat from a myriad of hostile and potentially invading powers, and thereby enhance and promote the chances of Erdogan's party, AKP, winning the November election in Turkey with a majority sufficient to enthrone the President, by a new constitution, as one close to absolute power and rule. All the fall out, the apparent outrage and counter threats, is probably false bluster.


OlegB07 -> Bruce Alan Scapecchi 6 Oct 2015 12:40

All countries of the West and USA are eagerly awaiting this moment ... And everybody knows the reason: ISIS is your friend and partner.
And Russia destroys your partners in Syria. Of course it is a tragedy for you.


JiminNH -> Indigo Rebel 6 Oct 2015 12:39

Diplomacy is a delicate thing and Russia has been fixing for a war, clearly.

Are you misinformed due to blatant western propaganda, or are you a misinforming propagandist? Minsk I and Minsk II were both initiated by Russia with EU states Germany and France; the US and UK were intentionally bypassed and left out (probably because we both supported Ukraine's war against the east).

Russia conducted Moscow I and Moscow II negotiations with internal Syrian rebel groups. The "rebel" groups that refused to participate were the likes of jabhat al Nusra and Army of Conquest and other extremist groups (most of which are manned by foreign jihadists); of which the truth has been revealed in the past week or so that such groups are proxy armies funded and armed by the US, GCC states and Turkey, among others.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/04/moscow-talks-syria-point-plan-150409094410056.html

Of course, the late reporter Serena Shim proved that Turkey even armed ISIS in its fight against the Kurds; no wonder why Turkey violates Syrian airspace to bomb the Kurds but not ISIS.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2799924/mystery-american-journalist-killed-car-crash-turkey-just-days-claimed-intelligence-services-threatened-coverage-siege-kobane.html

Empirical evidence clearly shows that Russia has been critically involved in diplomatic efforts to stop the war in Ukraine and attempt to stop the war in Syria.
The US has been nothing but a bystander in diplomatic efforts to end the wars in those two nations.

So which is it? Are you a victim of propaganda, or a propagator thereof?


BMWAlbert 6 Oct 2015 12:37

Is the Turkish President speaking of the actual Turkish airspace or that airspace plus the 5 mile. With supply routes to ISIS and the other 41 gangs in the less-extreme terrorist alphabet soup getting weapons largely from Turkey, I imagine taht teh extra five miles would secure the crossings (a problem if the Russians do not recognize the arbitrary five mile zone)...this stpry makes me think that rumor's of the President's son being involved in the oil dumping trade with the Mosul refineries in N. Iraq may be true...he seems to be getting very emotional about a five second transgression in a grey zone.

In other news, it appears that General Breedlove has been playing Dungeons and Dragons, calling the recently imposed RU de-facto no-fly-zone a "Sphere of Negation", sounds like something that might have been made in the golden days of Gondor. Obviously though, the RU airstrikes have been more effective due to better intelligence, must be one of the seven seeing stones.


Foracivilizedworld -> PeterHG 6 Oct 2015 12:36

And not just the Turks.. The US, UK, Franc, Israel.. and others...

What I don't understand is that how politicians talk about respecting borders with a straight face....


TomFullery -> Botswana61 6 Oct 2015 12:36

P.S. Please, remind us what's happened to mighty invincible Soviet Union?

A lesson possibly that no empires last forever.

The US imperium is in terminal decline but as empires go its rise was remarkably fast and now it is declining before our very eyes.

The US - the biggest premature ejaculation in history.


hfakos -> truk10 6 Oct 2015 12:29

Where did you get those numbers? We don't do body counts -general Tommy Franks. I guess that guy running the "Syrian" Observatory for Human Rights out of his Coventry garage is a reliable source to you.


RudolphS 6 Oct 2015 12:29

And while the U.S. is complaining about Russian intervention in Syria are the yanks knee-deep involved in another tragic civil war in the middle-east. Read Trevor Timm's article for the Guardian here: nullhttp://www.http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/oct/05/america-yemen-crisis-is-partly-our-fault


The Western hypocrisy is deafening.

TomFullery -> Bluebird8 6 Oct 2015 12:29

It was 5 billion.

And the neocons' useful idiots conveniently ignore the fact that the conflict in Ukraine kicked off only after the US-instigated Nazi putsch in Kiev.

Interesting how the economics and finance ministers of Ukraine are Lithuanian and Polish (not sure in which order) - both countries being staunch US stooges. They were given Ukrainian citizenship on the day they took up their posts.

US Vice President Joe Biden's son was appointed to the board of directors of Ukraine's largest energy company, also shortly after the Nazi putsch.

The governor of Odessa is Mikhael Saakashvili, US stooge, architect of the war against Russia and now fugitive from Georgian justice.

brianboru1014 -> NeuLabour 6 Oct 2015 12:26

Agreed.
ISIS are Saudi Arabia's Frankenstein and we in the West pretend to hate them but we love Saudi cheaper oil more than anything else. We really did not try to bomb them seriously, but the Russians know what's up and they are in the process of eradicating them from strategic areas in Syria

fotorabia23 -> truk10 6 Oct 2015 12:25

The Lancet reported that 567000 children died through sanctions after 1991.A later study, published in 2011, estimated that approximately 500,000 Iraqis had died as a result of the conflict since the 2nd invasion. Counts of deaths reported in newspapers collated by projects like the Iraq Body Count project found 174,000 Iraqis reported killed between 2003 and 2013, with between 112,000-123,000 of those killed being civilian noncombatants.Your wrong.

[Oct 06, 2015] Oil jumps $2, breaking range as supply seen ebbing

Oct 06, 2015 | finance.yahoo.com

Global oil demand will grow by the most in six years in 2016 while non-OPEC supply stalls, according to a monthly U.S. energy report that suggests a surplus of crude is easing more quickly than expected.

Total world supply is expected to rise to 95.98 million barrels a day in 2016, 0.1 percent less than forecast last month, the U.S. Energy Information Administration said in its Short-Term Energy Outlook. Demand is expected to rise 270,00 bpd to 95.2 million barrels a day, up 0.3 percent from September's forecast.

Russia's energy minister said Russia and Saudi Arabia discussed the oil market in a meeting last week and would continue to consult each other.

OPEC Secretary-General Abdullah al-Badri said at a conference in London that OPEC and non-OPEC members should work together to reduce the global supply glut.

Iran's crude sales were on track to hit seven-month lows as its main Asian customers bought less than before.

[Oct 06, 2015] Oil needs a capitulation Goldman Sachs

"... The problem is, you can't believe anything these Racketeers masquerading as Bankers at Goldman Sachs say ..."
Oct 06, 2015 | finance.yahoo.com

Jeff Currie, global head of commodities research at Goldman Sachs, says the risk of crude oil reaching $20 a barrel is driven by "breaching storage capacity."

R.T. Arcand

The problem is, you can't believe anything these Racketeers masquerading as Bankers at Goldman Sachs say. After all they're the ones who will tell you to buy, so they can do a pump and dump against you.

Not to mention that these pathetic fools in 2008 had to go so low as to throw in the towel on Free Market Economics to become a bunch of pathetic Fascist TARP Welfare Queens because they were too stupid to keep their fraud with the Ratings Agencies alive with their fraudulent bundled mortgages. Goldman Sachs is the parasite that needs to be destroyed if this nation or even humanity is to advance.

Compare how much the Apollo program cost, compared to the Fascists in the banks and their fraud and bailouts. It's time Americans go after these fascists with the same urgency the "Greatest Generation" did.

[Oct 05, 2015] Lawrence Wilkerson The American 'Empire' Is In Deep, Deep Trouble

Oct 05, 2015 | Zero Hedge
Former US army colonel and Chief of Staff for Colin Powell, Lawrence Wilkerson unleashed a most prescient speech on the demise of the United States Empire.

As Naked Capitalism's Yves Smith notes, Wilkerson describes the path of empires in decline and shows how the US is following the classic trajectory. He contends that the US needs to make a transition to being one of many powers and focus more on strategies of international cooperation.

The video is full of rich historical detail and terrific, if sobering, nuggets, such as:

"History tells us we're probably finished.

The rest of of the world is awakening to the fact that the United States is 1) strategically inept and 2) not the power it used to be. And that the trend is to increase that."

Wilkerson includes in his talk not just the way that the US projects power abroad, but internal symptoms of decline, such as concentration of wealth and power, corruption and the disproportionate role of financial interests.

Wilkerson also says the odds of rapid collapse of the US as an empire is much greater is generally recognized. He also includes the issues of climate change and resource constraints, and points out how perverse it is that the Department of Defense is the agency that is taking climate change most seriously. He says that the worst cases scenario projected by scientists is that the world will have enough arable land to support 400 million people.

Further key excerpts include:

"Empires at the end concentrate on military force as the be all and end all of power… at the end they use more mercenary based forces than citizen based forces"

"Empires at the end…go ethically and morally bankrupt… they end up with bankers and financiers running the empire, sound familiar?"

"So they [empires] will go out for example, when an attack occurs on them by barbarians that kills 3000 of their citizens, mostly because of their negligence, they will go out and kill 300,000 people and spend 3 trillion dollars in order to counter that threat to the status quo. They will then proceed throughout the world to exacerbate that threat by their own actions, sound familiar?…This is what they [empires] do particularly when they are getting ready to collapse"

"This is what empires in decline do, they can't even in govern themselves"

Quoting a Chinese man who was a democrat, then a communist (under Mao) then, when he became disenchanted, a poet and writer…"You can sit around a table and talk about politics, about social issues, about anything and you can have a reasonable discussion with a reasonable person. But start talking about the mal-distribution of wealth and you better get your gun" …."that's where we are, in Europe and the United States".

pretty bird

America is going through a tough time right now. But she's been through tougher times. I wouldn't bet against her.

Manthong

Gee, might this be a Smedley Butler moment?

Crud.. looking at the Roman Empire, and Revolutionary France, you do not need to be a Phd in economics (theory, not science) or political science (?) er, NO.. theory.. to figure out where this is heading.

Oh regional Indian

It's pretty clear that the Empire dream is crumbling.

Which does not bode well for people on the INSIDE of the empires gates.

Perhaps more true for the west in general right now and to a lesser or greater extent, cultures world-wide that have been brought to their knees by the false (Jewish/Zio inspired and funded) libertarianism of freedom via sex drugs and rock and roll.....it's time to go inwards.

The next 4-5 years are going to be shocking hard in the west as everything you were brought up to believe in shows it's true, tattered colours of specious beginnings, ugly/lost individuals (Sanger, Kinsey, Steinem, Leary, Greatful Dead etc. etc. to name but a few) and a funding hand that showed it's biases early but a populace with their eyes on the TV, hands on their (or someone else's gentalia), beer and bad food...too far gone to rise in any manner of protest at all...

America is definitely sliding down a deep dark hole...

Not finger pointing, just reality...

Apathy is a cancer...

Everyone should give this a listen...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZSBFxanDAw

Handful of Dust

Did I read "Colin Powell"? The same Colin Powell who sold his country down the river into one of the most costly bloodiest wars in American history with a bareface lie about non-existent WMDs and a phantom threat from a cave-dwelling desert country of camel jocks?

THAT Colin Powell?

omniversling

"Chief of Staff for Colin Powell"...was it Wilko who prepped the vial of ANNNNTTHHHRRAAX for Powel to present to the world via the UN PROVING the WMD case for bombing Iraq back to the stoneage?

TAALR Swift

Nothing wrong with reading Machiavelli, but you're better off watching this YT 11 minute clip from a former CIA agent:

"Ex CIA agent explains how to delete the elite!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLr8ZvgURg0


luckylongshot

Great article. However while it exposes the cycle of power centralisation that leads to empires growing and collapsing it does not propose what needs to be done to stop this cycle occurring. This can be done by teaching the public to think critically, having a constitution that you stick to and decentralising power so different arms keep each other from becoming too powerful. Imagine if the NSA reported to the public and was tasked with ensuring politicians were not bribed and that businesses did not try to influence politics? In business the formula is decentralise power, treat people with respect and weed out the narcissists...and then enjoy large profits: This works wih nations and empires as well....why not try it.

Urban Redneck

The military and civil unrest threats due of climate change are not BS. What is BS are the contortions (both distortions and outright lies) and that the brass knob jockeys at the Pentagram will perform to receive moar funding for reducing competition for potentially much more scarce resources.

The larger threat isn't actually rising temperatures, but rather falling temperatures and changes in average precipitation. A single freeze in Florida can decimate citrus production, a wetter or drier than "Goldilocks" year can wreak havoc on production of various grains, and that is all without the .gov idiocy that is the People's Republic of Draughtifornia.

On a one-year timeline the weather costs are bad enough, but on a slightly longer climate timeline... not even the EBT equipped North American Land Whale has enough stored fat to wait out new McFodder if production has to migrated to follow climate change, which for some perennials (e.g the trees necessary for the all-American apple pie) means much more than a one year wait for first harvest.

So anyway... reducing competition... assuming you are a major power grand poobah (instead of a neo-Ethiopian Arab Spring despot), you can invade someone else to steal their food, invade someone else to reduce your domestic demand for food, or you can FEMA camp the useless eaters and put them on la diète noir, (if you can't afford Zyklon B, and the infrastructure to properly deploy it). Regardless, this is Military Planning 101 level stuff.

AMPALANCE

Industrial farming it destroying top soil on a massive scale, we reached peak production years ago. Combine that with a decrease in biodiversity from unconstrianed Trojan Horse GMO's, and the prospect of a catastrophic food shock is very real. Don't forget peak Phosphorus is expected to be reached around 2030, and depleated in 50 to 100 years, it true would prove devastating for humanity.

Motasaurus

Reached peak production years ago?

Pleasr do explain then how all food crops have increased yield every year while reducing the amount of both land and fertilisers used to do so.

We're no-where near peak production, and the higher the atmospheric CO2 content climbs, and the milder the winters we have (from a warming atmosphere), the more food we will be able to produce. We're not even half way to the optimal atmospheric CO2 levels of 1000ppm for food crop growth yet.

techpreist

Here's a fun graphic from the journal Nature (Science and Nature being the two most prestigious journals in modern science):

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v461/n7263/fig_tab/461472a_F1.html#...

By mainstream academia's own numbers, industrial farming (the primary cause of nitrogen pollution is a far bigger problem than official global warming. But you never hear a peep about it because the main cause of this type of pollution is a combination of 1) subsidies and 2) GMOs which require much higher N input to get the growth that's possible from genetic modification. Since the solution is less control over farming, they have no problem driving the Earth off a cliff.

junction

Wilkerson has the freedom to travel and talk because he receives a fairly large military pension. What neither Wilkerson or any other critic of the current rulers of the United Staes will say is that the United States has no economic future anymore. The Wall Street looters have pillaged the country, first stealing the assets of corporate pension funds and now finishing off their brigandage by stealing all the future tax income of this country through the criminal use of derivatives. America is now a country with poisoned water supplies (fluoridation which causes heart disease), poisoned food (glyphosates and antbiotic contamination) and a poisoned electoral system where the top 0.1% chooses the winners.

The super-rich have their bolt holes outside the USA because they don't want to be around when this country, now a near Nazi state complete with death squads and Nazi People's Court-type hanging judges and prosecutors, completes its transformation by setting up concentration camps.


pachanguero

This asshole is part of the problem. Fuck him and his bullshit Glow-Ball warming scam. He should be in jail for the Iraq War along with Obama and Bush.

TheObsoleteMan

What do you expect from him, he is a CFR member and a CIA/NSA asset. No one ever retires from the CIA, you just aren't assigned projects and you are pensioned, but the only way you ever leave the CIA is in a box. He is not an American, he is a globalist. You have to be, or your not allowed into the CFR.


Dark Daze

Here's a fucking news flash for you Einstein. Your 'team' as you so quaintly put it has spent the last 250 years murdering, bombing, assassinating and fucking over 3/4's of the planet. Originally, just after the revolution, there was a period of say 20 years (just as Jefferson suggested) where the citizenry of the US was peacful and productive. Then, not long after the death of the last of the original Father's of the Revolution, the psychopaths arrived (General Hull at Fort Detroit) and started their crap with an attempted invasion of Canada (1812-14). That didn't work out so well, so you went south and fought with the Spanish, the Mexicans, every country in central and south america, declaring that the US had a god given right to control the entire area of North and South America (the Monroe doctrine). On the way you made sure you wiped out virtually every 'dirty injun' you could find, burned a few dozen 'witches' at the stake, invaded China and brought the opium/heroin trade to America (the Connecticut Yankees in their Clipper ships) and generally forced yourselves on an unwilling world. There are only two western democracies that have never engaged in empire, Australia and Canada. All the rest, the UK, the Netherlands, Portugal, Spain, Italy, Turkey, Greece, the Macedonians (greeks), France, Denmark, Norway, Austria, Hungary have all tried and failed at establishing empires, killing millions along the way. I read your Constitution a few years back (probably one of the most enlightened documents ever created), and I seem to remember a passage about 'not becoming entangled in foreign intrigues'. Too bad you didn't take that to heart. They left you a clear, easy to understand, definitive document on how to live and you fucking destroyed it, and yourselves in the process.

The rest of the history is available to anybody that cares to investigate, which means not very many Americans, who prefer to remain conveniently ignorant of your bloody history.

in4mayshun

News flash for YOU...All significant Governments throughout history have killed lots of people to remain in power. And FYI, Canada and Australia don't matter cause they're really just extensions of Europe, as they follow in lockstep.

The Old Man

Refernce France: 1790 through 1816. Sorry. But paper doesn't work unless you feed it war. When war is always an option, society fails in the common place. Reinvent society. I mean you got iPhones and all this crap. How hard is it to think this through?

Lyman54

Australia and Canada were just proxy extensions of the British Empire. Canadians served in the Napoleonic wars, Crimea, the Boer War, WW-1, WW-2 and Korea. It wasn't until Korea that the media would actually call Canadian troops Canadians.

Socratic Dog

Aussie eh. While I don't dispute anything you say, I have to suggest the Aussie government is even worse in that it slavishly follows the US lead in fucking EVERYTHING, including killing and maiming women and children in their millions in places far from its shores. I saw a couple of days ago in the SMH (once-great local rag) that Australia is waiting for US direction on how to respond to the Russian "provocation" in Syria. They're ready to go to war with russia to protect, err, not exactly sure what they're ready to protect, but it must be important. Israel maybe? Australia has become a pathetic lap dog, starting with Vietnam. And just like the USSA, the people support the government position in most anything.

conscious being

Mossad did 9-11. Terrerists come in a lot of shapes and sizes.

Memedada

Both Mr. Banzai and rbg81 are displaying a surprising (this forum taken into account) lack of insight into the power-structures of the US empire.

I thought it was obvious to all – who pays attention – that the 'electorate' (especially the president) are mere pawns of a hidden (not that well hidden) power-elite. The people actually ruling US are not named in MSM (the 0,01 % - and no, that's not anyone on the Forbes list). That US have a 'colored president' does not make any difference – his masters are the same.

Second: US have no real elections. An election requires an informed and educated population. US has the opposite. The medias are controlled by the 0,01%, the public education system have been eroded and made into an extension of the 0,01%'s propaganda-machine and there's no independent think tanks and/or institutions that can help the population get informed (the absolute majority of think tanks and research institutions in US are founded and funded by and for the 0.01%). Moreover, since you got 'Diebold' it doesn't matter – the votes are counted the way the 0,01% wants them to be counted.

Third: communist in what way? What's your definition of communism? If he – I don't listen to him – actually said anything that could be interpreted as communist it doesn't count (he speaks nothing but BS – distractions). What political actions has he taken that you would consider 'communist'?

+ who don't despise USA for what it has become today? US deserves nothing but contempt – and until there's a real revolt/revolution the US population deserves the same contempt.

IridiumRebel

My wife, who has been involved with Doctors Without Borders albeit briefly, asked about the errant strike that killed 19+. I stated what happened. After she gasped, I went on to say that our current leadership and trajectory as a nation has to be purposeful in its fuckery and stupidity. It's willful. They HAVE to be making these stupid decisions on purpose. There is no other possible answer. No way they could be making these decisions and think they will do anything but make us weaker and less trusted if it's even possible.

AmericanFUPAcabra

The GPS coordinates for that hospital had been given to the US months in advance. They knew it was there (probably helped build it with your money) In fact when the first bombs started falling phone calls were made to the US and NATO that they were hitting the wrong place- and guess what? The air strikes kept coming down for 30 minutes.

You can go on Youtube and watch Robert Ford (john negroponte's protege) making the news circuits lately blaming the people in the hospital for not having an evacuation plan. THEY DO NOT FUCKING CARE ABOUT CIVILIAN CASUALTIES. It has nothing to do with fucking up. A handful of Kissinger quotes come to mind.


Dark Daze

Well, it is very coincidental that less than 24 hours after 'the taliban' shot down a cargo plane carrying 'contractors' (CIA?), the hospital was bombed. There is more to this story than we know. Regardless, it still shows basially one thing which is that governments everywhere are out of control.

delacroix

a fuckup would be if they bombed the opium wharehouse.

Jorgen

"a fuckup would be if they bombed the opium wharehouse."

Yes, indeed, it would be...

Rumors Persist That the #CIA Helps Export #Opium from #Afghanistan http://t.co/yeihvYEvB3 pic.twitter.com/MYiDWqdPYV

- The Anti Media (@TheAntiMedia1) September 26, 2015

Paveway IV

"...No way they could be making these decisions and think they will do anything but make us weaker and less trusted if it's even possible..."

It would be most unhelpful to think of the actions of any branch of the U.S. government or military today as being in the interests of the people they serve. You can be certain that psychopaths running the U.S. (many groups with overlapping, occasionally competing but generally complementary interests) are in TOTAL control, and the organizations have morphed to serve ONLY psychopathic leaders, not normal ones. Arguing about which specific group of psychopaths is at the top of the heap or what their motivations are is also totally meaningless - it just doesn't matter. THAT isn't the problem.

The real problem is that the machinery of all of these government organizations has been fundamentally changed to serve only psychopathic leaders. They can no longer accomodate a 'normal' leader in any sense of the word. Replacing the heads of every one of these organizations today wouldn't work - the organizations themselves would reject a 'normal' person in charge and would oppose them at every turn or simply drive them out. It's well past the point of just getting 'the right' leaders in place.

The U.S. is on psychopath auto-pilot. There are no personal consequences for 'bad' decisions by those in charge of our government organizations. The leaders are making the exact same kind of decisions that every other failing empire has made during its decline since forever.

Perceptions of strength/weakness or trust/distrust are immaterial to the psychopaths in charge, as long as everybody seems to obey them. They're in a desperate scramble to maintain their OWN illusion of control before things go full-retard - they could care less what anyone else thinks of them or their decisions today.

o r c k

Agree, but just imagine living in most European Countries and knowing that the end of your ancient culture is only a few decades away due to the psychopathy of your "leaders".

Being surrounded by a warlike, mean-spirited and superstitious clan of early humans and NO way out whatsoever.

Jorgen

"They HAVE to be making these stupid decisions on purpose. There is no other possible answer."

Here is one theory on why the MSF hospital was bombed:

This is interesting... Did Obama Bomb Doctors Without Borders for Opposing TPP? http://t.co/2GEIbaQKyd

- AntiMedia UK (@AntiMediaUK) October 5, 2015

Flying Wombat

The Processes and Logic of The Deep State - Professor Peter Dale Scott

Unusually, just a single speaker this week: one two hour interview with the doyen of deep political research, Canadian Professor Peter Dale Scott. He provides not only a lot of details of the evolution of the post WW2 deep state in the USA, but also sketches out its guiding principles, some of the deeper patterns which allow one to understand the superficially confusing and contradictory actions of the US deep state.

Access show here: http://thenewsdoctors.com/?p=516544

SFopolis

Colin Powell has been treated as a great man for doing what? Semi-admitting that he knew we had it all wrong and everybody in power was (is) a war criminal?

In my opinion he is worse than all of the rest, because he had the platform and could have single handidly prevented this whole mess and exposed so many falshoods. Instead he did exactly what he knew was wrong. If he were a patriot and such a great man, he wouldn't have done what he did.

tool

WTF happen to him. Did he disappear into obscurity because of the extreme shame he felt for presenting that huge steaming pile of horse shit to the UN in front of the world .

I'm guessing not because people like that don't feel remorse or shame. They just get paid and live happily ever after!

conscious being

Colin proved himself to be a useful tool when he was brought in as the black face to do his part in covering up The Mai Lai Massacre in VietNam. His career took off after that.


[Oct 05, 2015] Major Interview (38 questions!) of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad to the Iranian Khabar TV channel

Oct 05, 2015 | The Vineyard of the Sake
At the same time, the lies they propagated at the beginning of the events in Syria, in order to promote their positions to their audiences, have started to unravel. You cannot continue to lie to your people for years. You might do that for a limited period of time. Today, as a result of technological advances in the field of information, every citizen in every part of the world could know part of the truth. These parts have started to come together in the minds of their people, and they have found out that their governments have been lying to them concerning what has happened in Syria. They have also paid the price either through terrorist operations, the terrorism that started to affect those countries or through the waves of migrants coming to their countries, not only from Syria, but from different countries in the Middle East. All these factors started to effect a change, but I would like to stress once more that we cannot trust Western positions regardless of whether they were positive or negative.

Question 2: Mr. President, some countries, like France, used to have good relations with you, between 2008 and 2010. You enjoyed good relations with President Sarkozy. Why have such people moved to the enemies' side and started calling for overthrowing the Syrian regime?

President Assad: Because Sarkozy was charged by George Bush's administration to build contacts with Syria. Those contacts had a number of objectives which aimed in general at changing the political line of Syria. But there was an essential objective that the Americans wanted Sarkozy to achieve. At that time there was talk about how the 5+1 group should deal with Iran's nuclear file, specifically how to deal with nuclear materials or the radioactive materials which were enriched in your reactors in Iran. I was required to persuade Iranian officials to send these materials to Western countries to be enriched and returned to Iran, without any guarantees of course. That was impossible. It did not convince us, and the Iranian officials were not convinced.

When the West was unable to change Syrian policies, they found an opportunity at the beginning of the events of what is called the "Arab Spring", an opportunity to attack the states whose political line they didn't like. That is why the period you are talking about was concerned with appearances. In other words, the West opened up to Syria, but in fact that period was replete with pressure and blackmail. They haven't offered one single thing to Syria, neither politically, or economically, or in any other field.

Question 3: What you said was about France. How do you read the positions of other countries, like the UK and the USA?

President Assad: Their positions today?

Intervention: I mean that France wanted to intervene through the relationship that connects you with Iran. How did other countries, like the UK and the USA get involved in dialogue with you at that time?

President Assad: Yes. When we talk about these states, we are taking about an integrated system. We use the term "Western countries", but these Western countries have one master, which is the United States. All these countries behave in accordance with the dictates of the American maestro. Now, the statements of all these countries are similar. They say the same thing, and when they attack Syria, they use the same language. That is why when the United States gives the signal, these countries move in a certain direction, but there is usually a distribution of roles. At that time France was asked to play that role, considering the relatively good historical relations between France and Syria since independence. There is a big Syrian community in France, and there are economic, even military, and of course political relations. That is why the best option for them was to ask France, and not any other country. But ultimately, Western officials follow the orders of the American administration. This is a fact.

Question 4: Does that mean that you know specifically what the West wants from Syria?

President Assad: They want to change the state. They want to weaken Syria and create a number of weak statelets which can get busy solving their daily problems and internal disputes with no time for development or extending support to national causes, particularly the cause of Palestine, and at the same time ensuring Israel's security. These objectives are not new. They have always been there, but the instruments of dealing with them differ from time to time.

Question 5: It seems that some of these countries, working on behalf of the United States, have very close ties with the terrorists, and their policies are identical with those of the terrorist groups. What is the damage that such countries, like Turkey and Saudi Arabia, can inflict on regional security and stability?

President Assad: There are, of course, different kinds of terrorism in our region, but they are all overshadowed by what is called Islamic terrorism because these terrorist groups or organizations have adopted Islam without having anything to do with Islam in reality. But this is the term being used now. These groups are promoting sedition among the different components in the region in general. This means that the greatest damage is the disintegration of societies in time. Now, fortunately, there is a great awareness in our society about the danger of sectarian sedition, and the necessity of uniting ranks, particularly as far as the Muslims are concerned. But with time, and with the continuation of sectarian incitement, creating gaps between the different components of society and producing a young generation brought up on the wrong ideas, that will be a very serious danger. This disintegration will become one day a de facto situation, and will lead to confrontations, conflicts and civil wars. This is very dangerous, and it is not exaggerated. It is a fact.

Question 6: Now, it has become common in international forums for states to announce that the Syrian crisis cannot be resolved except through a political solution. But Saudi Arabia and the Saud clan insist that you should step down from your position. What is your response to that?

President Assad: What I said a short while ago: any talk about the political system or the officials in this county is an internal Syrian affair. But if they are talking about democracy, the question begs itself: are the states you mentioned, especially Saudi Arabia, models of democracy, human rights or public participation? In fact, they are the worst and the most backward worldwide; and consequently they have no right to talk about this. As to Erdogan, he is responsible for creating chasms inside his own society, inside Turkey itself. Turkey was stable for many years, but with his divisive language, and his talk about sedition and discrimination between its different components, neither he nor Davutoglu are entitled to give advice to any country or any people in the world. This is the truth, simply and clearly.

[Oct 05, 2015] An Up Close And Personal Look At The Russian Firepower Deployed In Syria

"... command and control centers, ammunition and explosives warehouses, communication centers, mini-factories for the production of weapons of suicide bombings and militant training camps ..."
"... finally ..."
"... The Entire Mainstream Western Media Is a Troll Army http://russia-insider.com/en/entire-western-media-troll-army/5918. Good title, and, for the most part, seemingly true. ..."
"... LOL , What makes you think the US was trying to defeat ISIS? Mainstrem fucking News Media???? Just go back to watching Dancing with the Stars or some shit. ..."
Oct 05, 2015 | Zero Hedge

greenskeeper -> carl

this post misses the point. The point isn't russia's hardware, which isn't any more impressive than anything we have. The point is the russians are actually TRYING to get rid of 'ISIS', and are therefore able to do so. While the JSF is overpriced junk, Americans hardware has consistenly beaten russian hardware in every conflict they have faced each other. This isn't a hoo-rah, 'murika post at all. the reason US weapons and air power havent decisively defeated ISIS is becasue that is not what the US govt wants to do, it wants them to succeed and get rid of assad. Any modern nation can destroy ISIS from the air, the russians are just actually trying to do where the US was more interested in another misguided attempt at regime change.

Latina Lover

Technologically, most American Hardware may be ahead of the Russian equivalents, but lag when it comes maintaining it during extended battle conditions. Russian tech is designed to be very tough, versatile and fixable under battle conditions. In the Ukraine, for example, 50 and 60 year old artillery pieces still function despite heavy continuous use.

Poundsand

Actually, our hardware is a lot better, as our the boys who deliver it both on the ground and in the air. But you're right, we have a bunch of politicians who pick targets, play for PR points, avoid PR problems at all costs. How long did Barry wait to send in the boys to get Osama? (heck, 8 months just to get his facsimile shows you how bad it's gotten).

Turn 'em loose and then you would see some shock and awe!

My only concern is supplies. Back in '93 we are down to how many Tomahawks? Remember they destroyed the tooling to make them before they had the next one ready to roll out. Reliance on high tech weaponry is fine and dandy, until you need 100x more than you thought you would. Then it's back to mass production of whatever you can get to shake off the wing.

MrPalladium

"Actually, our hardware is a lot better,"

It is certainly a great deal more expensive. The problem is that the defense contractors and the military officers monitoring them control the narrative on how good our weapons might be. You really have no clue until you encounter another capable opponent and run the equipment in the fog of actual war.

So much of our defense budget is spent maintaining clearly obsolete equipment and base structure (shades of General Pershing's horse cavalry at the outbreak of WWII - my father was there at the time) including all surface naval vessels which would be destroyed in a few days in any war against China or Russia. Also, half the military bases in the U.S. are really nothing more than glorified jobs programs. And most of the many foreign U.S. bases are nothing more than U.S. soldiers as goats tethered to the stake as bait to provoke attack and obtain an excuse for war with the nations they surround. I know, I was in that position many years ago in Berlin and nothing has changed.

We are thus the empire of the unready, shackled by the past and lead by fools.

Mentaliusanything

The USA is lagging (sadly) in the electronic protection feild.

Currently the Russians have a capability (proven) to block F22 raptor short and long distance missiles, They have another more frightening tool which scares the hell out of the Pentagon

http://www.voltairenet.org/article185860.html

oh and something comes to mind about lead pencils continuing to work well because of simplicity - well that again is mandated in all Russian weaponary.....

Buck Johnson

Actually no, US military goods aren't better than Russian. Both have limits and draws. What the US is afraid of is the fact that Russia has the capability one to negate their advantages and two of course nukes. Remember during the second gulf war we went nuts when Russia was giving Saddam Hussein devices that scrambled cruise missiles guidance systems and others using GPS. Also Russia has advanced anti-tank weaponry that can destroy and at least disable our M1 tanks. And many of their stuff that they sell or use is old or was developed back in the 80's or 90's. Same with the US.

cowdiddly

To be frank Russia is still using some of its older stuff like the Su25s and su24 nice heavy fighter/bomber but which is being replaced by those awesome duckbill su34s but some of that old stuff still proved pretty effective in Ukraine.

I mean who we kidding, if Russia wanted to they could level the whole place in 3 months with those Tupolev 22s and T95s and some moabs and thats still conventional. God help us all is one of those SATAN missiles was ever used, the deadliest fastest nuke of all. I even hate the sound of that wicked weapons name. Moscow to Ny in 25min, not enough time to find a good rock to crawl under. None would survive the response which makes this whole endeavor of poking the sleeping bear even more insane.

This article came by my screen today and they supposedly moved two of these bad boys in place. An interesting piece to say the least. with a range of 300km I think from what I seen in Ukraine these might have been turned on for a second or two behind the border in Russia to give some of those battles a little bump but who knows, I dont think anyone can prove.

I think its things like this that they are bitching about and shitting bricks because most of the ground troops look to be to protect an airbase that is operating 25km from hostile forces. Lets see the US do that. Impressive feat in itself

And why use Russians when you have plenty of Hezbollah, Iranian, and Syrians willing to do the dirty work. It would be stupid.

Jamming the Jihad. can permanently fry electronics and take out low orbit satellites.

http://sputniknews.com/world/20151005/1028033057/syria-russia-electronic...

Son of Captain Nemo

We have Obama.

Scares the hell out of me.?...

What exactly scares you the most? The part about starting unilateral wars for the last 14 years that got us into this mess?... Or the fact that somebody else like Russia's military is going to take charge to clean up that mess and in the end show us just how bad we really are along with the crisis we made "refugees" and otherwise!

Ode to the American clandestine establishment that thought John McCain, "Fairy" Graham and Retired General Vallely were the worst of your problems!...

Son of Captain Nemo

Adding to that part about how bad "we" the U.S. really is...

This certainly caught my attention....

Russians will be targeting "command and control centers, ammunition and explosives warehouses, communication centers, mini-factories for the production of weapons of suicide bombings and militant training camps". ...

Just think how Syrians and Iraqis will think of the Russians when suicide bombers and IED stop going off in those places that have already killed upwards of 10,000 to 15,000 Iraqis in the past 8 months alone and who knows how many of the 240,000 Syrians that have perished in the last 3 years alone to them?...

Like I said. I sure hope there are no Blackwater/Xi/ Academi types wandering about the ground right about now in either of those countries doing this on a weekly basis and finally getting caught?!! at it!

It will be just like the roundups by Ukrainian rebels they suffered at the end of 2014 where many of them were shot in the back of the head and put into an open pit with no headstone or marker to claim them again!

Johnny_Dangerously

The Entire Mainstream Western Media Is a Troll Army http://russia-insider.com/en/entire-western-media-troll-army/5918. Good title, and, for the most part, seemingly true.

Drink!

stant

Nobody here is really a Vlad fan it just comes out that way we post on the facts

Lostinfortwalton

You hate to be pragmatic but there probably aren't a whole lot of "moderate" rebels left. That leaves the 'chop your head off, blow your head off with explosive chord' ISIS. If the Russian Air Force can go for it and put an end to those savages, why not? Apparently the USAF and USN dropping one bomb a day isn't doing a whole lot.

sgt_doom

Brother lostinfortwalton, us sane people are with you all the way!

Boomberg

Those savages never really existed. Just a bunch of thug mercenaries given guns and license to pillage and rape all the women with impunity by the US and allies. They are disappearing rapidly now and going back home to be good little Muslims now that the party is over.

viator

Don't forget the Sukhoi SU 30SM advanced fighter which has very little use in Syria unless you want to shoot down somebody else's advanced fighter aircraft. Then it is very useful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0S4Vrnmz7k

bruno_the

this puppy can fly too. Just saying:

https://youtu.be/b-VNSJMiNt0?t=27

Smegley Wanxalot

Look everyone, people somewhere gotta die so that the US MIC can thrive. Guess those people are just the eggs obama said you gotta break to make an omelette.

johmack2

If IRAN is successful with iraq and syria, they should move to setup a Middle Eastern Economic Union that will eventually be joined in the AIIB and partnered with the Russian EURASIAN bloc. The "MEEU" bloc of countries should also act as a defensive ring(an ME NATO equivalent) with RUSSIAN and CHINESE BASES installed( TWO TO FOUR JOINT MILITARY BASES IN THE ME WONT KILL RUSSIA OR CHINA) as well as an economic engine capable of becoming an regional economic power house for the region. IRAN should also give RUSSIA an fighter jet operating BASE near the coast of IRAN for rapid deployment. IF you guys think the americans dont have something up their sleeves you are sorely mistaken, the first rule of war is never underestimate your enemy.

BustainMovealota

"..watch Russia do in a matter of weeks what the US has failed to accomplish in 13 months"

LOL , What makes you think the US was trying to defeat ISIS? Mainstrem fucking News Media???? Just go back to watching Dancing with the Stars or some shit.

AlfredNeumann

Russia/Syria are the righteous ones here. Not the USA funded ISIS and Al-Qaeda terrorists.

There is no such thing as a moderate terrorist (Lavrov said). He is Right. Act accordingly Vlad.

spyware-free

For those curious about Russian radar and air defense capabilities you might be interested in this;

Top US and NATO Commanders Admit They Cannot Oppose Russian No-Fly Zone

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/top-us-and-nato-commanders-admit-t...

"American military expert, a former Colonel of the U.S. army Jack Jacobs said that the United States can't interfere with Russians in Syria, as Russia de facto set up a no-fly zone, cutting off access to any aircraft with the help of air defense systems deployed on land and on ships of the Russian navy in the Mediterranean."

"The Russians have indicated that they can see everything, and getting closer is not worth it, otherwise it will be shot down", - said the American military.

"Frankly we were surprised by the air defense system of Russia, most likely there are the latest systems S-400. I have no other ideas," - said Colonel Jack Jacobs.

[Oct 04, 2015] My comprehensive plan for US policy on the Middle East

Crooked Timber

5566hh, 10.04.15 at 2:02 am

Seriously though, I think a non-plan isn't really that useful. Why not have an actual plan? Something like this:
  1. End all drone strikes
  2. Cut off all military aid to countries in the Middle East
  3. Cut off diplomatic relations with Saudi Arabia
  4. End all CIA or other covert support for groups in the region
  5. Put sanctions on any state in the region that funds terrorist groups
  6. Abolish the CIA, or at least covert CIA political interventions (this would help to address a lot of other problems outside the region too)
  7. Withdraw all US forces from the Middle East
  8. Encourage Britain to abandon its plans for a base in Bahrain
  9. Provide development aid (non-military) to the region
  10. Put diplomatic pressure on repressive regimes in the region

Val, 10.04.15 at 3:12 am

A U.S. air strike killed 20 MSF workers and patients in Afghanistan. A U.S. spokesperson called it collateral damage

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/03/kunduz-charity-hospital-bombing-violates-international-law

It's bullshit. That's what contemporary warfare does – kills civilians. The vast majority of those who die in contemporary warfare are civilians. It's not collateral damage, it's what war does. I don't know (as I've written on my blog) how anyone can justify war these days.

Frank Wilhoit, 10.04.15 at 3:17 am

The United States has only one option left in the Middle East. That is to build a time machine, go back to 1911, and prevent Winston Churchill and Jacky Fisher from converting the British Navy from coal to oil. Admittedly, serious obstacles stand in the way of implementing this approach, but there is no alternative.

John Quiggin, 10.04.15 at 3:40 am

@5 This amounts to spelling out my plan

@8 Or, alternatively, set the time machine for 2015, when the US is virtually self-sufficient in oil, and the price is at a historic low (the supposed need to control ME oil was always nonsense, but it's nonsense on stilts now)

[Oct 04, 2015] Funds To Play Oil's (Slow) Recovery: ETF.com

"... USO holds front-month futures, and to avoid taking physical delivery when those contracts mature, it rolls its position forward to the next futures contract-but the farther-dated contracts are often higher priced (due to storage costs and other factors), meaning that when USO sells its front-month contract it will be able to buy less of the next-month futures. This has led to underperformance for the fund this year, which has fallen nearly twice as much as spot oil prices. ..."
Oct 04, 2015 | Barrons.com
Unfortunately, Roy notes, the United States Oil Fund (USO), the most common way to play oil, has often backfired for investors. USO holds front-month futures, and to avoid taking physical delivery when those contracts mature, it rolls its position forward to the next futures contract-but the farther-dated contracts are often higher priced (due to storage costs and other factors), meaning that when USO sells its front-month contract it will be able to buy less of the next-month futures. This has led to underperformance for the fund this year, which has fallen nearly twice as much as spot oil prices.

Luckily, USO isn't the only way to play oil. The PowerShares DB Oil Fund (DBO) seeks to minimize the costs of rolling contracts forward by choosing the most advantageous futures contract to switch to, instead of always using the next month's, as USO does. Roy also notes that the United States Brent Oil Fund (BNO) holds Brent oil, popular in Europe, which in recent years has started to diverge in price more frequently from West Texas Intermediate, a grade of oil commonly sold in the U.S. In the first three quarters of 2015, Brent lost less than WTI.

However, none of those oil products were able to avoid the big drop in crude prices. For more buy-and-hold investors, Roy suggests the Energy Select SPDR (XLE) that holds energy-related stocks (like Exxon (XOM), Chevron (CVX) etc.). He concludes:

For long-term investors, an equity-based energy ETF like XLE is superior to the futures-based ETFs mentioned earlier, for several reasons: 1) an investor doesn't have to worry about roll costs; 2) the companies can grow their oil production, creating value for shareholders even in a flat oil price environment; 3) they often pay dividends. XLE currently has a yield of more than 3.3 percent.

Year-to-date, XLE is down by 21 percent, less than the futures-based ETFs. Over the past five years, XLE is up 20.4 percent, compared with losses ranging from 40 to 58 percent percent for the other three ETFs.

[Oct 04, 2015] Finally some clarity about the Russian plans about Syria

Oct 04, 2015 | The Vineyard of the Saker
Evaluation:

In purely military terms this is a rather minor development. Yes, the Syrian Air Force badly needs some modernization (the fact that they are using helicopter-dropped 500kg barrel bombs is a proof that they don't have enough aircraft to deliver guided or even unguided 500kg aerial bombs) and the Russians will be bringing some very capable aircraft (SU-24s and SU-25s for sure, and in some specific cases they could even use Tu-22M3s and SU-34s). But this will not be a game changer. Politically, however, this marks yet another triumph for Vladimir Putin who has forced the US Empire to renounce its plans to overthrow Assad. Because, and make no mistake here, the Russians are now there to stay: a limited Russian military presence will now turn into a major Russian political commitment. Furthermore, not only will Tartus continue to serve a fairly limited but not irrelevant role for the Russian Navy, the airbase in Latakia will become a hub of Russian military operations and, in effect, a forward operating base for the Black Sea Fleet.

Conclusion: a game changer after all?

Yes. But not because of some Russian military move. Consider this: for the United States the main purpose of Daesh was to overthrow Assad. Now that the US is declaring that they "don't plan to arm the Syrian rebels at the moment" and that Assad will not be overthrown, the utility of Daesh to the AngloZionist Empire has just taken a major hit. If the Empire decides that Daesh has outlived its utility and that it has now turned into a liability, then the days of Daesh are counted.

Of course, I am under no illusions about any real change of heart in the imperial "deep state". What we see now is just a tactical adaptation to a situation which the US could not control, not a deep strategic shift. The rabid russophobes in the West are still out there (albeit some have left in disgust ) and they will now have the chance to blame Russia for anything and everything in Syria, especially if something goes really wrong. Yes, Putin has just won another major victory against the Empire (where are those who claimed that Russia had "sold out" Syria?!), but now Russia will have to manage this potentially "dangerous victory".

[Oct 04, 2015] Carl Icahn Warning About the High Yield Bond Market Bubble

Icahn predicts junk bind crash for almost a year now. that does not mean that he is wrong. But that does mean that he is a bad timer. Also he might be a buyer of CDS on junk bonds. Carl Icahn mentioned that although the short-term outlook for the energy sector is bad, the sector as a whole could make a comeback in a couple of years.
"... In the context of the high yield bond market, activist investor Carl Icahn mentions the use of credit default swaps as a form of protection or insurance against credit events. However, he terms these products as "arcane" and implies that investors should possess sophisticated knowledge of the fixed income markets to enter that playing field. ..."
Oct 04, 2015 | marketrealist.com
May 15, 2015 | Market Realist

Oil price nosedive could trigger a crash in the junk bond markets

According to Sean Hanlon's December 16, 2014, article Oil's Price Decline Weighs On High Yield Debt in Forbes, US energy companies borrowed heavily using the junk bond market to finance hydraulic fracking operations. However, this occurred when oil prices were above the $100 per barrel level, resulting in an economically viable business model.

With the nosedive in oil prices in the latter half of 2014, the ability of these energy firms to retain their profitability was called into question-including their ability to service the payments on their high-yield debt.

... ... ...

As seen in the above graph, the prices of the iShares iBoxx $ High Yield Corporate Bond ETF (HYG) declined with the fall in oil prices. With the looming uncertainty over oil prices, the times ahead are probably not bright for the high yield bond market.

Credit default swaps and a correction in high yield bonds

In the context of the high yield bond market, activist investor Carl Icahn mentions the use of credit default swaps as a form of protection or insurance against credit events. However, he terms these products as "arcane" and implies that investors should possess sophisticated knowledge of the fixed income markets to enter that playing field.

Credit default swaps (or CDS) are analogous to insurance contracts. The buyer of the CDS makes periodic fixed payments to the seller of the CDS, who receives these premiums and in exchange, compensates the buyer in the event of a default involving the underlying reference entity.

ProShares launched the ProShares CDS North American HY Credit ETF (TYTE) and the ProShares CDS Short North American HY Credit ETF (WYDE) in August 2014. Although TYTE offers investors a long exposure to North American high yield bonds, WYDE offers a short exposure to the same. For instance, investment in WYDE could hedge a portfolio of high yield bonds against a drop in prices. The decreased prices typically result from increasing defaults by energy firms due to falling oil prices.

In the final part of this series, we'll discuss Carl Icahn's view on the energy sector. The analysis specifically focuses on the outlook for oil companies such as EOG Resources (EOG), Exxon Mobil (XOM), Phillips 66 (PSX), and Valero Energy Corporation (VLO). Phillips 66 and Valero are oil refiners, EOG Resources is independent and lacks downstream operations, and Exxon Mobil is an integrated company.

EOG Resources has an 8.2% weight in the iShares US Oil & Gas Exploration & Production ETF (IEO). Phillips 66 has a 7.2% weight in IEO, and Valero has a 4.9% weight in IEO. EOG is also part of the iShares US Energy ETF (IYE), with a 3.1% exposure.

[Oct 03, 2015] The Mind of Mr. Putin By Patrick J. Buchanan

October 02, 2015 | Information Clearing House

...Vladimir Putin in his U.N. address summarized his indictment of a U.S. foreign policy that has produced a series of disasters in the Middle East that we did not need the Russian leader to describe for us.

  • Fourteen years after we invaded Afghanistan, Afghan troops are once again fighting Taliban forces for control of Kunduz. Only 10,000 U.S. troops still in that ravaged country prevent the Taliban's triumphal return to power.
  • A dozen years after George W. Bush invaded Iraq, ISIS occupies its second city, Mosul, controls its largest province, Anbar, and holds Anbar's capital, Ramadi, as Baghdad turns away from us - to Tehran. The cost to Iraqis of their "liberation"? A hundred thousand dead, half a million widows and fatherless children, millions gone from the country and, still, unending war.
  • How has Libya fared since we "liberated" that land? A failed state, it is torn apart by a civil war between an Islamist "Libya Dawn" in Tripoli and a Tobruk regime backed by Egypt's dictator.
  • Then there is Yemen. Since March, when Houthi rebels chased a Saudi sock puppet from power, Riyadh, backed by U.S. ordinance and intel, has been bombing that poorest of nations in the Arab world. Five thousand are dead and 25,000 wounded since March. And as the 25 million Yemeni depend on imports for food, which have been largely cut off, what is happening is described by one U.N. official as a "humanitarian catastrophe." "Yemen after five months looks like Syria after five years," said the international head of the Red Cross on his return. On Monday, the wedding party of a Houthi fighter was struck by air-launched missiles with 130 guests dead. Did we help to produce that?

What does Putin see as the ideological root of these disasters?

"After the end of the Cold War, a single center of domination emerged in the world, and then those who found themselves at the top of the pyramid were tempted to think they were strong and exceptional, they knew better."

Then, adopting policies "based on self-conceit and belief in one's exceptionality and impunity," this "single center of domination," the United States, began to export "so-called democratic" revolutions.

How did it all turn out? Says Putin:

"An aggressive foreign interference has resulted in a brazen destruction of national institutions. … Instead of the triumph of democracy and progress, we got violence, poverty and social disaster. Nobody cares a bit about human rights, including the right to life."

Is Putin wrong in his depiction of what happened to the Middle East after we plunged in? Or does his summary of what American interventions have wrought echo the warnings made against them for years by American dissenters?

Putin concept of "state sovereignty" is this: "We are all different, and we should respect that. No one has to conform to a single development model that someone has once and for all recognized as the right one." The Soviet Union tried that way, said Putin, and failed. Now the Americans are trying the same thing, and they will reach the same end.

Unlike most U.N. speeches, Putin's merits study. For he not only identifies the U.S. mindset that helped to produce the new world disorder, he identifies a primary cause of the emerging second Cold War.

To Putin, the West's exploitation of its Cold War victory to move NATO onto Russia's doorstep caused the visceral Russian recoil. The U.S.-backed coup in Ukraine that overthrew the elected pro-Russian government led straight to the violent reaction in the pro-Russian Donbas.

What Putin seems to be saying to us is this: If America's elites continue to assert their right to intervene in the internal affairs of nations, to make them conform to a U.S. ideal of what is a good society and legitimate government, then we are headed for endless conflict. And, one day, this will inevitably result in war, as more and more nations resist America's moral imperialism.

Nations have a right to be themselves, Putin is saying. They have the right to reflect in their institutions their own histories, beliefs, values and traditions, even if that results in what Americans regard as illiberal democracies or authoritarian capitalism or even Muslim theocracies.

There was a time, not so long ago, when Americans had no problem with this, when Americans accepted a diversity of regimes abroad. Indeed, a belief in nonintervention abroad was once the very cornerstone of American foreign policy.

Wednesday and Thursday, Putin's forces in Syria bombed the camps of U.S.-backed rebels seeking to overthrow Assad. Putin is sending a signal: Russia is willing to ride the escalator up to a collision with the United States to prevent us and our Sunni Arab and Turkish allies from dumping over Assad, which could bring ISIS to power in Damascus.

Perhaps it is time to climb down off our ideological high horse and start respecting the vital interests of other sovereign nations, even as we protect and defend our own.

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of the new book "The Greatest Comeback: How Richard Nixon Rose From Defeat to Create the New Majority." To find out more about Patrick Buchanan and read features by other Creators writers and cartoonists, visit the Creators Web page at www.creators.com.

Mid-East Coup As Russia Pounds Militant Targets, Iran Readies Ground Invasions While Saudis Panic

Zero Hedge
Dutti

Congratulations to Russia and Iran to standing up [to neocons strategy], I hope their strategy will work.

Why can Saudi-Arabia with the approval of the western powers bomb a foreign country, Jemen, without Jemen having attacked Saudi? Of course Saudi claims they do it at the request of the president Hadi of Jemen who fled to Saudi. If that is accepted by western powers, then how would those western powers have reacted if Russia would have attacked and bombed the Ukraine, at the request of the democratically elected president Yanukovich who fled to Russia?

I think the house of Saud is setting itself up for real bad long-term Karma or, if you prefer, the Saudis create a lot of enemies for themselves by destroying the people and their neighboring country of Jemen. Reminds me of why Americans are often times not liked in many parts of the world.

Americans often claim that Assad is a Tyrant, a Murderer and a Dictator and that's why he must go. Why does the US not call the House of Saud by the same names and try to overthrow them? I guess because the House of Saud is an obedient servant of the US, and Assad is cooperating with a different power - Russia.

The western mainstream media treats the Saudi atrocities in Jemen as a sideshow, while blowing up the story about Assad and demonizing him. What's the alternative to Assad?

Let's see how other countries, Iraq and Libya, with worse Tyrants - Saddam Hussein and Ghaddafi have "developed", thanks to western intervention.

In addition, the US is always talking about the evil Iranians, and how they took American hostages back in 1979. You don't hear much about the fact that the US staged a coup in 1953, deposed the democratically elected president Mossadegh and installed the Shah, who, just like the House of Saud became a servant for US interests. After the Iranians were finally able to get rid of the Shah who had been in power for over 25 years they understandably did not have much love left for the US. The pendulum went to the other side.

If you look at all these facts in context, it's easy to see the hypocrisy of the US and it's western "allies".

Lost My Shorts

It sounds like -- we are covertly supporing ISIS while pretending to attack them, and getting huffy because Putin is really attacking them. Or wandering around like a headless chicken. Or just wasting money. Not sure.

Crash Overide

"Remind me ... WTF are we doing in Syria ?!"

Trying to profit from destruction and keep control on the US civilian population through fear of boogeyman terrorists.

Just remember, when they fail abroad, they will start chaos at home.

Lock and load my fellow countrymen... eyes open.

[Oct 03, 2015] Putin Checkmates Obama On New World Order WWIII

"... Currently the movers and shakers in charge of US policy are as evil as they come, and EVERYBODY knows it. ..."
Oct 03, 2015 | YouTube

wiz987

You are missing one of the main issues, the whole region is unstable because of the power struggle between Sunni and Shiatt muslims.

Sebastin Otis 15 hours ago

+wiz987 that's correct but who created this situation? USA of course. By killing saddam hussein and muammar el gaddafi, because they didn't want to trade oil in US dollars and because of US power hungry mentality. What US governments over the past few decades did and still been doing deserves sanctions needing to be imposed on the USA for number of decades. Thanks to them the world is more unstable than ever before over the past few hundred years.

Joe Habid

And who started that mess? Before operation Iraqi freedom or whatever you want to call it, you know the one that was supposed to find W.M.D. in Iraq , did you ever hear of sectarian violence ? C 'mon. Let's call it what it is.

facereplacer

It's fantastic. How can the west say "don't get ISIS!"

They can't. They've been scaring the crap out of everyone with phony beheadings and other nonsense. Obama and the west have done nothing. I mean, this is chess and it makes me laugh.

StopTheMorons

It appears that Putin gave a very straightforward interview on 60 minutes. If there is one thing honest about him it's that he doesn't pretend to be someone he's not unlike those in the US government and the media who have been working hard to vilify him.

BITARTEN

bombing and killing terrorists beheading people is not only correct but good

samuski36

I bet Obama might have thought at one point, "I could school Putin on the basketball court...maybe."
Seriously though, great video! Many thanks for bringing us actual news and insightful comment on it. And most of all, watch your six! Telling the truth is fatally dangerous these day's!

Mike Paoli

Americans are VERY EASY to deceive. They DEMAND LIES as TRUTHS are NOT as entertaining. They WORSHIP actors(IMPOSTORS). This is above all the scariest aspect of the entire state of affairs. Think about it! They PREFER an IMPOSTOR pretending to be somebody as opposed to the REAL person. Even though there is a ton of film with the REAL person they PREFER an IMPOSTOR and a STUPID movie.

666sigma

Obama is a putz. He backed ISIS in Syria. Those are his so called moderates. Putin called him out.

The sad thing is that Putin told the truth and our government lied. This is unbelievable. Fucking Russia is telling the truth and our government is lying. Putin is telling the truth and our community organizer is no different than a neocon?

I don't see how our douche bag in chief can save face.

Barry N

First point...Obama is not a World Leader. Russia and China have had enough of the US back CIA criminal actions.
I as a American applaud Putin in showing Obama what a idiot he is. The world does not need the CIA and all its corruption.

Goat Culler

Right on Luke! the media here in New Zealand is feeding Kiwis fake! American crap demonising Russia.This move is a must to save Syria and its People. Nice! Move Russia and co ;-)

robert alexander ho 13 hours ago

Bravo.....the story of 9/11 or XIIX has to be reopened to put all these murderous criminals in jail. The NWO is essentially the wish to return to the Old world of imperialist domination of the same greedy players of the western alliances. The western alliances economies are in shambles and bankrupt , the societies are morally bankrupt and totally inept!

hal "huh" us

israel is controlling isis to destabilise the middle east, because israel wants to expand its borders into iraq, palestine, syria, etc.

R Lionheart

Thank you for helping us understand. Why is there such a western obsession with Assad? He is no more of a despot than King Salman or Porky Pigshanko or Obama. It is OK for Israel to commit genocide against the Palestinian, its OK for Porky Pig to murder Ukrainian children, its OK for Salman to murder wedding goers in Yemen - but oh my oh my it is not OK for Assad to defend his own government from rebels Assad must go - if Assad must go then Porky pig, Salman, O-bomb-a, Netanyahu, and all the other murdering pigs must also go!

ArcesitorGmail

I wish more Americans would understand that those in our governments who control the military industrial complex, Central Banking Systems and Multinational Corporations, to name a few, are no longer interested in representing of the PEOPLE of America. The game now and for the last 60 to 100 years has been "What political regime can we install?" "What government can we overthrow?" "What internal rebellion can we fund and arm?" to force those leaders of a sovereign nation that does not wish to buy our goods, drill our oil, borrow our money, distribute our corporate law to its population at the expense of its population.

While at the same time, convincing us at home, with the help of our muzzled, biased corporately owned media that this is all being done in the name of "National Security" or "The Interests of our Nation and Its Allies".

Horrific things are being done in our name. For power, money, commodity and ego. Please, everyone. Push the conversation.

John Mastroligulano

I know what you are saying but you do realize that they are part of the same exact Worldwide Oligarchy they only pretend to be at odds to thin the herd. If they didn't pretend to be enemies then how else would they be able to manipulate enough of the people into attacking one another for what they set in motion or sit back & allow to happen while controlling the mechanism's of check/balance.

rockslyde1776

Love Putin or hate him, it's interesting to watch the process of someone who knows what they're doing. In contrast to Berrie.

Ryan Richard
Migrant Crisis & Syria War Fueled By Competing Gas Pipelines (Link 1) http://www.mintpressnews.com/migrant-crisis-syria-war-fueled-by-competing-gas-pipelines/209294/ [Wikileaks revelations of US State Department leaks that show plans to destabilize Syria and overthrow the Syrian government as early as 2006. The leaks reveal that these plans were given to the US directly from the Israeli government and would be formalized through instigating civil strife and sectarianism through partnership with nations like Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Qatar and even Egypt to break down the power structure in Syria to weaken Iran and Hezbolla] (Link 2) Assange on 'US Empire,' Assad govt overthrow plans & new book 'The WikiLeaks Files' (EXCLUSIVE) http://www.rt.com/news/314852-assange-wikileaks-us-syria/ Assange: "...That plan was to use a number of different factors to create paranoia within the Syrian government; to push it to overreact, to make it fear there's a coup...so in theory it says 'We have a problem with Islamic extremists crossing over the border with Iraq, and we're taking actions against them to take this information and make the Syrian government look weak, the fact that it is dealing with Islamic extremists at all.'"

sgdeluxedoc

OK nobody is calling Putin a saint. But lately Russia has been , morally, on the right side every time. Of course they've made mistakes. So did the US in WW2.

Currently the movers and shakers in charge of US policy are as evil as they come, and EVERYBODY knows it. Ain't nothin anybody can do about it.

And I don't think Putin considered his checkmate on B.H.O. such a coup, considering how stupid his opposition is.. Lastly, ain't no way, nohow, that the zionists are wagging Putin's tail. Russia has a long history of not letting them (the ultra-zionists) play them.

[Oct 03, 2015] Germany to supply Ferguson insurgents in the US with weapons

"... Translator's note: I like satire: just change a few words, and this could be your newspaper, or some pages in the Congressional Record. Satire actually helps one realize what is going on. ..."
Oct 03, 2015 | fortruss.blogspot.be

October 1, 2015 | Fort Russ

Translated from German by Tom Winter

Translator's note: I like satire: just change a few words, and this could be your newspaper, or some pages in the Congressional Record. Satire actually helps one realize what is going on.

The Federal government of Germany wants to supply weapons to insurgents in the US.

"The red line has been crossed!" With these words, a visibly frayed Foreign Minister Steinmeier appeared this morning before the press. "With the murder of yet another black activist, the Obama regime once again shows its ugly head!". Background: On August 09, the totally unarmed black civil rights activists Michael Brown was shot by police. Now on August 19, another black activist in St. Louis, not far from Ferguson, has been shot in cold blood by white policemen.

"The world can not continue to stand idly by," Steinmeier stressed at the press conference. "Here are peaceful human rights activists protesting against heavily armed police in a profoundly racist apartheid regime."

Therefore, the point now been reached, "in which Germany, too, must take responsibility for the oppressed peoples of the world," said Steinmeier.

As several media have unanimously reported, the government is now considering supplying arms to the rebels.

Next comes consideration what to supply in support of the rebels in Ferguson: protective vests, helmets, and night vision devices, and light infantry weapons?

Many MPs in the government coalition feel this does not go far enough. Given that the police and National Guard are geared up with weapons of war like an army, several CDU MPs are calling for supplying the rebels with heavier munitions. "We are currently discussing the proposals," an unnamed deputy is quoted. "We cannot rule out that the weapons may end up falling into the wrong hands."

In view of these events in the US, Defence Minister Ursula von der Leyen will not rule out the use of Bundeswehr soldiers. However, out of sensitivity and respect for the local activists "only colored members of the Bundeswehr would participate in such a mission."

[Oct 03, 2015] The Tragedy of American Diplomacy by William Appleman Williams

J. Lindner, June 7, 2004

In the Tragedy of American Diplomacy, William Appleman Williams illustrates how America fails to honor its own principles when it approaches foreign policy. America believes in self-determination and the right to develop its own brand of democracy. Unfortunately, no other nation is afforded the luxury of self discovery. Other nations must conform to America's vision of democracy or face the terror of America?s military might. This, to Williams, is the tragedy.

Cuba is his first case. America wanted Cuba to adhere to American visions which meant wealth for the sugar planters and their American backers. When Cuba sought its own course and threw off a repressive regime, America objected. The rift has existed ever since as no American administration will ever acknowledge Cuba's right to govern its own affairs so long as Castro is in power.
Williams then systematically follows the years from 1898 through 1961 and paints a similar picture. It does not take the reader long to get the idea and carry the argument beyond Williams' parameters and show that everything from Grenada to Lebanon to Afghanistan to Iraq can be shown in the same light. American puppet governments are not granting freedom and democracy to their constituents as much as they are part of a ruling class dominated by the business interests that exploit their workforce and deny requests for reform until the entire population is ripe for rebellion (remember the Shah of Iran). One wonders if the Saudi government is the next great western ally to fall victim to a popular revolt of Muslim fundamentalists.

Williams is a master of detail and works his arguments creatively in an entertaining fashion. Neoconservatives of today will have the same objections as their predecessors from the 1950s in acknowledging Williams as a valid author. But Williams makes a strong case and if more people were exposed to his writing, our country might even find a way to avoid the same pitfalls. A Saudi revolution would disrupt oil markets and jeopardize world economies. Perhaps if some thought is put into policy such a scenario is avoidable and preventable. If people are willing to give Williams a chance American foreign policy might eventually reflect a broader American vision rather than the interests of a few.

Karun Mukherji, April 8, 2006

Erudite, splendidly crafted, fine piece of scholarhip

Williams book explores paradoxical nature of US Foreign Policy.

Firstly author refutes orthodox view that accidental, inadvertent turn of events transformed America into a global power. Williams has argued market forces unleashed by private free enterprise economy dictated the growth of American power; it has also molded country's foreign policy and continues to do so. To comprehend this fully one has to understand the intricacies of Capitalism.

It goes without saying that Capitalism carries within it the seed of self destruction. Late 19th century American economy was convulsed by frequent bouts of economic depression which led to wide spread social unrest. Home markets saturated with goods which people find difficult to absorb as they had only limited purchasing power. 'Frontier' had close down and country's leading intellectuals [William Jackson Turner ,Brooke Adams, Alfred Thayer Mahan] frantically called for overseas expansion avert an impending economic doom

Thus economic considerations compelled successive American Presidents [Grover Clevland, William Mckinley, Thedore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson] to remake the world in America's image. Unfortunately this policy boomeranged because Afro ,Asian, Latin American world refused to share American view.

Iniquitous, unfair trade practised by US helped Washington to enrich in detriment to welfare of latter economies. This was closely followed by American tendency to externalise evil. It posits the view that other nations have a stake in America's continued, prosperous existence. This preposterous notion, according to the author, has been the starting point America's troubles. Actually problem lay in fundamental nature of capitalist economy. Attempts to reverse this trend triggered counter revolutionary wars in Asia, Latin America. The above feature forms essence of this book; this idea continues to permeate the book.

Williams provide fresh interpretation on the onset of Cold War. He holds Truman administration accountable for the coming of iron curtain in Eastern Europe. Firstly in immediate postwar years US taking advantage of its economic might tried to extend its 'open door' policy into Eastern Europe. Further exploiting atomic monopoly the President tried to reverse political order which emerged in areas under Soviet control.

We may pause here try to establish reasons behind America's post war hostility toward Soviet Union. Unlike Britain which during the days of the empire could invest and dominate worldwide, America upon the end of World War II inherited a divided world.

Soviet economy with its emphasis on industrial self sufficiency apart from shutting the door US investment was in the process of curtailing imports substantially. With the success of Communist revolution 1/3rd of world's population had wrenched free from capitalist sphere influence. With so much production capacity lying idle, US by the end of World War II was haunted by a spectre of another depression. Challenge before America -- challenges her still-wheather market will shrink.

Marshall plan leading to massive post war reconstruction Western Europe must be seen from this angle. Rebuilding war-ravaged economies stimulated economic growth in US. Thus in my opinion Marshall plan must not be construed as a manifestation of American altruism; it was motivated by economic self interest.

Author's stress upon market forces dictating the American destiny broadly agrees with Marxian interpretation of History. Perhaps this was reason why Williams was dubbed Marxist, Stalinist by conservative, liberal elite of his country. This book deserves to be read by those who believe current anti American sentiment sweeping the world stems from sheer envy for American prosperity.

Tim, December 31, 2009

Creates a clear path through 20th century American history

The fact that this book has become a classic is hardly debatable. Williams' examination of American foreign policy is now in its fourth printing with this 50th anniversary edition. The book takes a detailed look at "The Open Door Policy" which evolved out The Open Door Notes of the late 19th century. It shows that, for better or worse, American Capitalism had to find and constantly expand into foreign markets in order for there to be freedom and prosperity at home.

Williams argues that not only American leaders but the general population internalized this belief so deeply that it was considered the very basis of morality in the world. Any other way of looking at society was believed to be simply wrong, and in fact, evil. Williams undoubtedly knew that this way of looking at Capitalism, and the world at large, coincided directly with the predictions of Marx concerning Capitalism's globalization. The Policy of the Open Door can be used to explain the objectives of every foreign military excursion we have undertaken since the end of the 1800's.

It continues to this day in our oil-hungry drive for control of the nations in the Middle East and South Asia. It creates real and imagined enemies that have accounted for the build up of America's military might over the years. Overall I found this examination of American foreign policy to be quite satisfactory and rational in explaining the successes and failures of American actions over the years. Where I would criticize Williams is in his characterization of America's leaders having a truly benevolent anti-colonial attitude towards the lesser nations in which America invested and set up "trade".

Williams argued repeatedly, and the commentators in the 50th anniversary edition did as well, that the government really believed they were benefiting mankind as a whole by not only exporting America's goods, but American values, and that the only "Tragedy" was the failure of these policies. I think it a bit uncritical to state this unequivocally. To argue that American leaders (both government and civilian) did NOT know that they were exploiting nations and purposely directing the trade to benefit Americans regardless of the effect on foreigners is quite bold. I believe that the greed of Americans and the drive that is inherent in Capitalistic countries meant that these leaders knew EXACTLY what they were doing, and that they had little true regard for the welfare of nations.

Our failure to see that there is more than one way for societies to organize themselves is certainly a problem of ignorance in American culture, and Williams is right to argue that blaming America's leaders becomes a scapegoat. Americans need to change themselves first and realize the error of their ways...that it will cause destruction at home and abroad...before we will see any change in leadership and our destructive policies.

However, the American empire is really not that different than others in history. The drive for power becomes all consuming, and ultimately leads to disregard for humanity...unless that humanity happens to be at the top of the American food chain.

[Oct 03, 2015] Obama says Russian strategy in Syria is 'recipe for disaster'

That's Shaun Walker, nut the point of view he expresses are point of view of the US government.
Oct 03, 2015 | www.theguardian.com

Russia's failure to distinguish between Islamic State fighters and moderate opposition forces battling against Syria's president, Bashar al-Assad, is a "recipe for disaster," Barack Obama has said, as more evidence emerged that Moscow is targeting anti-regime rebels and not just Isis.

The US president said his Russian counterpart, Vladimir Putin, "doesn't distinguish between Isil [Isis] and a moderate Sunni opposition that wants to see Mr Assad go. From their perspective, they're all terrorists. And that's a recipe for disaster."

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Moscow's strategy appears to be to mainly attack central and north-western Syria, areas that form the gateway to Damascus and the coast. But Russian planes also bombed targets west of Raqqa, the capital of Isis's self-proclaimed caliphate – apparently the first time likely Isis positions have been hit.

Alexei Pushkov, a top Russian foreign affairs official, told French radio he believed the air campaign could last about three to four months. He also hit out at western criticism, tweeting: "The US is criticizing Russia for 'lack of selectivity in our targets' in Syria. So what stopped them from picking the right targets over a whole year, rather than just pointlessly bombing the desert?!"

[Oct 03, 2015] Huge Carl Icahn Energy Purchases Highlight Recent Insider Buying

"... Cheniere Energy Inc. (NYSE: LNG) was the clear highlight of the week. This liquefied natural gas player had a very high-profile buyer step up to the plate more than once. Activist investor and Wall Street legend Carl Icahn bought a gigantic amount of the company's stock. ..."
Oct 03, 2015 | 24-7 Wall St.

We cover insider buying every week at 24/7 Wall St., and we like to remind our readers that while insider buying is usually a very positive sign, it is not in of itself a reason to run out and buy a stock. Sometimes insiders and 10% owners have stock purchase plans set up at intervals to add to their holdings. That aside, it still remains a positive indicator.

Cheniere Energy Inc. (NYSE: LNG) was the clear highlight of the week. This liquefied natural gas player had a very high-profile buyer step up to the plate more than once. Activist investor and Wall Street legend Carl Icahn bought a gigantic amount of the company's stock. He purchased 2,042,928 shares at a price of $47.14 apiece. The total for the buy came to a massive $96.3 million. Not stopping there, Icahn purchased an additional 1,503,313 shares at $48.30. The total for second buy was a whopping $72.6 million.

ALSO READ: September Worst Month in History for Energy MLPs: 3 Bargains Right Now

Oddly enough, as Icahn was buying millions of shares of Cheniere Energy, the CEO of the company was selling. He parted with a total of 100,000 shares at between $46.25 and $50.42 per share. The total for the sale came to $4.8 million. It was also the only one major company that reported insider selling last week. Cheniere shares ended trading on Friday at $50.50, and it is pretty easy to assume that Icahn's high-profile purchase was viewed as very positive.

[Oct 03, 2015] Oil Tanker Rates Soar Above $100,000 a Day as China Hiring Jumps

Oct 03, 2015 | Bloomberg Business

The world's biggest crude oil tankers earned more than $100,000 a day for the first time since 2008, amid speculation that a surge in Chinese bookings is curbing the number that are left available for charter.

Ships hauling 2 million barrel cargoes of Saudi Arabian crude to Japan, a benchmark route, earned $104,256 a day, a level last seen in July 2008, according to data on Friday from the Baltic Exchange in London. The rate was a 13 percent gain from Thursday.

[Oct 03, 2015] Shale High depletion rates in Bakken

"... Roughly the US will need more than 9,000 wells at more than $50 billion to counterbalance the declines. ..."
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"... Sooner or later, you'd realize that Shale is an industry of diminishing returns. In plain terms, a temporary bubble waiting to burst thanks to depletion. SEST? Enjoy. But then, we've warned you. ..."
Oct 03, 2015 | www.oil-price.net

As you can see, Bakken is the star of the region. So, who wants to point that the Emperor has no clothes? In other words, the higher-than-normal rate of depletion of fracked wells?

Well, what is depletion? Depletion is a naturally occurring phenomenon. All non renewable resources undergo reduction over a period of time. Oil and gas aren't exempted from this equation, either

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Fracked wells age very fast. The initial production is very high so is the rate of depletion. The point is, a newly fracked well may produce 1,000 barrels a day, but this falls by sixty percent the next year, thirty five by the third and fifteen percent by the fourth. Oil companies should replace forty to forty five percent of the current production each year to maintain/increase production. For now at least, the number of wells and cost of production can keep pace with profits because of the higher oil prices. But what happens when the price comes down?

The depletion rates will make the wells unviable and the search of oil will continue elsewhere. Roughly the US will need more than 9,000 wells at more than $50 billion to counterbalance the declines.

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Sooner or later, you'd realize that Shale is an industry of diminishing returns. In plain terms, a temporary bubble waiting to burst thanks to depletion. SEST? Enjoy. But then, we've warned you.

[Oct 03, 2015] U.S. manufacturing barely expands in September as global growth weakens, oil drillers cut back

Oct 03, 2015 | finance.yahoo.com

New orders and production both fell sharply and a measure of hiring also declined, according to the ISM, a trade group of purchasing managers. All three measures still barely remained in expansion territory.

U.S. manufacturers are getting hit by slower growth in China, the world's second-largest economy, and a stronger dollar, which makes U.S. goods more expensive overseas. The 15 per cent rise in the dollar's value in the past year has also made imports cheaper compared with U.S.-made goods. Oil and gas drillers are also cutting back on their orders for steel pipe and other equipment in the wake of sharply lower oil prices.

[Oct 03, 2015] What Blows Up First Part 5 Shale Oil Junk Bonds

Prediction "The weakest of these companies will default in the coming year, and if oil prices fall another $10, perhaps most of these companies will default. " definitely proved to be false. But it looks like junk bond problem does exist. see Icahn warning Spe 26, 2015. Actually he issues similar varning in Ocr 2014 -- Carl Icahn says high-yield 'junk' bond market in a bubble - CNBC Reuters
"... As for what might cause the junk market to crack, one prime candidate is the oil industry. The shale boom has led a lot of energy companies to ramp up production using other people's money, much of which is coming from junk bonds. Now, with oil down from $100/bbl to around $80, the nice fat coverage ratios on these bonds are looking disturbingly skinny. This chart shows the divergence between overall junk spreads and energy-sector junk spreads. ..."
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Oct 03, 2015 | November 18, 2014

One of the surest signs that a bubble is about to burst is junk bonds behaving like respectable paper. That is, their yields drop to mid-single digits, they start appearing with liberal loan covenants that display a high degree of trust in the issuer, and they start reporting really low default rates that lead the gullible to view them as "safe". So everyone from pension funds to retirees start loading up in the expectation of banking an extra few points of yield with minimal risk.

This pretty much sums up today's fixed income world. And if past is prologue, soon to come will be a brutally rude awakening. Most of the following charts are from a long, very well-done cautionary article by Nottingham Advisors' Lawrence Whistler:

Junk yield premiums over US Treasuries are back down to housing bubble levels...

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As for what might cause the junk market to crack, one prime candidate is the oil industry. The shale boom has led a lot of energy companies to ramp up production using other people's money, much of which is coming from junk bonds. Now, with oil down from $100/bbl to around $80, the nice fat coverage ratios on these bonds are looking disturbingly skinny. This chart shows the divergence between overall junk spreads and energy-sector junk spreads.

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The weakest of these companies will default in the coming year, and if oil prices fall another $10, perhaps most of these companies will default. This will of course be dismissed as a localized disturbance unlikely to spread to the broader economy - which is exactly what they said about subprime mortgages last time around.

Bruce C

The whole "shale oil" theme is a "scam". The original investors fell for the very same thing that continues to be rehashed, so they engineered a way to unload it onto the "relatively dumb" money. That's where we are now. After those new INSIDE investors/suckers realized that projected resources were not the same as extractable ones (at certain price levels) and that current production rates were subject to (downward) change (because the whole process is basically insane and extreme) it only makes sense that more funding could only be obtained by issuing bonds (equity was extracted in the "first round" when new wells geysered, etc.)

But don't laugh too hard, yet. Between a totally foolish and pathetic Congress, a totally full of shit President, a desperate national central bank, and "TBTF" philosophy in general, this construct may well be supported way beyond its "natural" life.

History is a fascinating spectrum of human nature. There doesn't seem to be any limits to the lows or the highs, and especially the durations of effort and "pragmatism" to advance certain agendas and IDEALS. That's not always "good" or "bad", and it is definitely hard to know in real time.

socalbeachdude

John, you are 100% correct in your article, particularly with your conclusion that this "will of course be dismissed as a localized disturbance unlikely to spread to the broader economy - which is exactly what they said about subprime mortgages last time around."

Frank DiGiovanni

Funny.. Your website is about the demise of the dollar.. Than its about oil stocks who have plunged along with oil due to a strong dollar
.. Seems you are just looking for negatives..

digriff > Frank DiGiovanni

While you are assuming the strong dollar is the cause of the oil prices I would say "the last guy to drown in the pool is technically the best swimmer (dollar) but did still drown in the end".

Frank DiGiovanni > digriff

Point is .. You have been complete incorrect on the dollar.. Then write negatively on oil.. You are just a negative person.. Currency value is all relative to other currency; have to have winners and losers.. Not everybody drowns. You seem foolish with such a comment..

[Oct 02, 2015] EIA's Latest Petroleum Report Yields Few Surprises

"... If the government approves the planned tax hike, investments could slump by 50 percent and total oil production drop by 100 million metric tons over next three years, Energy Minister Alexander Novak said in an interview to state TV Friday. ..."
Oct 02, 2015 | OilPrice.com

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I took the Weekly Energy Review and averaged it into monthly average. As you can see it differs greatly from both the Monthly Energy Review and the Petroleum Supply Monthly. However for last July and August it agrees pretty closely with the Monthly Energy Review. And it says [USA] production dropped just over 200,000 barrels per day from August to September.

This is the weekly data, since December from the Weekly Petroleum Status Report. It has U.S. production dropping every month since June.

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I thought the below article said a lot about Russia.

Russian Oil Producers Head for Tax Showdown Amid Output Warnings

Russia's Energy Ministry estimated last week that oil output would be stable until 2035 at a level of about 525 million metric tons a year, or 10.5 million barrels a day, as investment in new projects offset declines at older fields. If the government approves the planned tax hike, investments could slump by 50 percent and total oil production drop by 100 million metric tons over next three years, Energy Minister Alexander Novak said in an interview to state TV Friday.

"In a lower capex environment, the output decline at mature Russian fields may reach some 5 percent already next year," Alexander Nazarov, oil and gas analyst at OAO Gazprombank, said by phone. "New projects won't be able to cushion the total decline."

They are saying that if they get enough investment in new projects to offset declines in their old fields, then they can keep production flat for the next 20 years. Otherwise they are headed lower. Their old fields will be declining at about half a million barrels per year. I don't think even if they do get the tax breaks they can come up with that much new oil. And most certainly they cannot do it for 20 years.


[Oct 02, 2015] This is a War – pure and simple. The Global Informational War.

Lyttenburgh, October 2, 2015 at 12:19 pm

The fact that Mark Adomanis have completely devolved into shit (there is no other words to describe the last couple of his articles for his newest haunt – the "Russia! Magazine") had been the last straw for me. I realized once and for all that all those journos, op-ed authors, analytics and – most of all – legions of opinionated and well informed commenters (read – edgy teens and/or ignorant self-absorbed ignorant morons). I'm talking about the Western segment of the Net – knew that EuroUkrs and Russian Liberasts active in the Net are a lost cause and evolutionary dead-end long time ago. It's the citizens of the supposedly "Free World" sprouting lies, repeating them and then eagerly believing them – 'cause that's what they want to hear to confirm their long established biases – who were re-evaluated by me.

There is hardly any dialog possible or even exchange of opinions – not to mention this absolutely teeny-weeny and unimportant thing like actually listening to your opponents arguments and facts.

This is a War – pure and simple. The Global Informational War.

Reading some comments and articles made me realize (deep-deep inside) that Stalin's methods while dealing with the Enemies were way too humane and ineffective. Oh, no-no! Nope! Only Ivan Grozny – only hardcore! I still find morbidly amusing how Ivan IV executed either some monks or the dyak of the Posolskiy prikaz's who've screwed up big time by ordering them to be tied up to a powder keg and then blown up. And let's not forget that czar Ivan was most prolific writer of letters and perfected the now much valued art of trolling, dissing and flaming his opponents nearly 450 years ago!

I won't wax for a long time about any of such articles – I'll just comment on one of them which represent a true quintessence of the "Modern Western Journalism" ™.

Russian Airstrikes in Syria Could Last Four Months, Officials Say

Yes – this is The Vice News, a №1 choice for any opinionated and conscientious edgy teens, hipsters, San-Franciscan barefooters and Hikkies around the world when they want to learn about the world at large. For me – I think that the name is aptly chosen for this disgusting excuse for the "Modern Journalism". They do embody one of the Mortal Sins nearly perfectly, namely – the Sloth.

Article immediately plunges us into the convoluted and weed-brownies destroyed mind of the average VICE NEWS 'author':

"Russia's airstrikes in Syria could continue for three to four months, according to the head of the lower house of the Russian parliament's foreign affairs committee, as controversy continues over what Moscow's attacks are actually targeting."

Wow! What you say – "controversial", huh? Well, I'm a silly foreigner Not From the West, and English is not my first language. So I'm gonna to recheck what this "controversial" word means. Let's try Merriam-Webster, shall we?

"relating to or causing much discussion, disagreement, or argument: likely to produce controversy"

Oh, that! Well – there is no "controversy" about airstrikes in Russia. Soviet Federaciy voted unanimously for that. Russians (with the exception of delegated to the very Oblivion of a small bunch of the radical "patriots", chronic "putinslivshiks" and liberasts) are totally in favor of that. Who's disagreeing the most are the Western governments and the Free and Independent Western Media ™. But in that case the word "controversial" can (and should) be applied just to about everything. Honest and free-spirited journos are refraining from doing that when it doesn't suit theig agenda.

"Officials announced on Friday that airstrikes had been carried out for a third day in row and " that these hit 12 Islamic State (IS) targets."

I will just leave this sentence hanging here for a while – but I will return to it soon!

"Yet the US, which is leading its own air campaign against IS, says Moscow has been using its campaign as a pretext to hit other groups opposed to Russia's ally, President Bashar al-Assad.

Some of the groups that have been hit are supported by countries which oppose both Assad and IS, including at least one group that received training from the CIA"

Well, thank you VICE NEWS for this frankness and honesty! Oh, those vily Ruskies! Bombing poor and innocent "rebels", who are as pure as baby's tear!

"Russia's air campaign in a country already being bombed by a US-led coalition of Western and Arab countries means that the Cold War superpower foes Moscow and Washington are now flying combat missions over the same country for the first time since World War II.

Well, this is not quite true. In fact last time both Washington and Moscow flew combat missions over the same country was in… Vietnam, I think. Everybody remembers brave North Vietnamese ace Li Si Tzeen, right? ;)

"Russian Su-34, Su-24M, and Su-25 warplanes flew 18 sorties, hitting a command post and a communications center in the province of Aleppo as well as a militant field camp in Idlib, a Defense Ministry statement said. A command post in the province of Hama was also completely destroyed, it added."

Once again – I will just leave it here. And now this:

"The UK-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, which monitors the conflict with a network of sources on the ground, said IS had no presence in the western and northern areas that were struck."

AH, YIISSSSS! Nary an article about Syria by the VICE now goes without referencing this august body of the first hand and reliable reporting of the Sacred Truth! Surely, we must trust it completely, folks! They are UK-based, after all!

But I will still ask this nagging ugly question – what the hell is this "Syrian Observatory for the Human Rights" which VICEers are so often quote (without providing links to the actual statements, naturally)?

Oh, you gonna love this! According to the Süddeutsche Zeitung article of 2012 this "SOHR" was the primarily source about the situation "on the ground" for all major Western propaganda outlets. The fact is… there is no such thing as "Syrian Observatory for the Human Rights". There is only one guy actually- some Osama Suleyman, living in Coventry, who have adopted the nom de plume Rami-Abdul-Rahman (http://www.timesofisrael.com/topic/rami-abdul-rahman/). According to his own words, Suleyman had been jailed 3 times in Syria for the "opposition activism" and then emigrated to Britain in 2000. In Coventry he and his wife own a clothing shop and now both of them are British naturalized citizens.

In short – the sort of people who absolutely 100500% can keep their arms on the pulse of the current events taking place in Syria and report with absolute accuracy only the Truth. Yay!

Well, as for the other claims, about "poor kids bombed by Ruskies", I'll just leave this picture here:

Also, as you have probably noticed by now, when the VICEers had to quote despicable Russian sources they all too often use such terms as "they claimed", "they stated" and "according to them". So we know from the starters – we should not trust them! They Russians! But is the source is some brave (and, doubtlessly, pro Western/Democracy/Moderate Islamist) they are to be trusted – they "say" and "tell". Charming fellows. Why should they lie?

And no – As Everybody Knows ™, the West doesn't employ propaganda. True story!

[Oct 02, 2015] Brian Friel Irelands great theatrical explorer

Oct 02, 2015 | The Guardian

On top of his original work, Friel did a beautiful adaptation of Turgenev's Fathers and Sons, translated most of Chekhov's major plays and dramatised many of his short stories. He was always understandably in thrall to the Russian master. But his great achievement was that, in a vast variety of plays, he explored the condition of Ireland and embodied the idea of theatre as a vital secular ritual.

IanShuttleworth 2 Oct 2015 11:35

The first play I ever saw in a proper theatre - thanks to my then-English teacher, Robin Glendinning - was Faith Healer in the Grand Opera House in Belfast, with the godlike Donal McCann. So Friel was pretty much the start of my theatregoing life, which has been so vital to me both personally and professionally.

BelfastJawbox , 2 Oct 2015 07:55

I saw Friel's 'Philadelphia, Here I come' at the Lyric Theatre, Belfast, yonks ago with Liam Neeson and John Hewitt in the main roles. It was one of the most electrifying and poignant theatre experiences I've had and provided me with the enormous incentive to become a regular theatre goer.

Friel's incisive, powerful, theatrical presence will be sorely missed.

Ciaran Mc Aliskey 2 Oct 2015 09:30

Saw at Dancing at Lughnasa two weeks ago in the Lyric in Belfast with Catherine McCormack. Was fantastic! Translations was my favourite text covered at A-Level also. RIP

[Oct 02, 2015] EU has been hit by 'out of control bulldozer', says Iain Duncan Smith

"...I too want Iain Duncan-Smith to be hit head on by an out of control bulldozer. ..."
Oct 02, 2015 | www.theguardian.com

Lyigushka -> OliColl 2 Oct 2015 22:29

'Leaving the EU ".is not in the interests of the US" '
That's my vote decided then, bye EU.


MikeSivier 2 Oct 2015 22:18

Why does The Guardian, along with the other news media, insist on giving credibility to this disreputable individual by continuing to publish his words?
He has been caught lying so many times that it is frankly irresponsible to repeat anything he says - without a disclaimer - and expect to keep your own reputation intact.


dreamer06 2 Oct 2015 22:12

Btw, Guardian, why aren't you reporting on the story about the clashes between migrants of an Islamic faith and Christians in the refugee camps in Germany, and that Germanys Senior Police Chief, Jörg Radek, has said refugees now needed to be separated by religion because of the tensions. By all means show the positive things happening there, but hide the dark side.


BlueBeard 2 Oct 2015 21:43

There are lies, damned lies and Iain Duncan Smith.

JonathanPacker 2 Oct 2015 21:48

On the other hand when I see a photo like that (I would never let the Grauniad photographer take one of me!) it looks like the Austro-Hungarian Empire, and I know it can't last.

Encouraging.

valdez 2 Oct 2015 21:41

It's a sad indictment of the state of democracy, that someone widely regarded as a cretin, even his own party, can sustain a very senior position for this long.


Allseeingguy 2 Oct 2015 21:10


I know about 500 people have made this joke already but... ...I too want Iain Duncan-Smith to be hit head on by an out of control bulldozer.

Hopefully while he was in a factory on a photo-op, and the bulldozer was under the control of someone who was only in that job due to workfare and couldn't reach the brake pedal due to their disability. His last words would be "You're not fit to work" to which the disabled bulldozer driver would reply "ATOS said I am" to a round of applause from his colleagues.

That's how much I dislike IDS, I imagine things like that upon reading things like this.


lolbayfcp 2 Oct 2015 21:01

He must think we're barmy.

Schengen is about the free movement of citizens of EU countries. Border checks are still allowed if the host country wants to implement them. I've been checked at every border driving from Sweden to the UK sometimes.

The free movement of labour is about citizens of EU nations.

Refugees won't be making EU capitals rethink their belief in free movement of labour or 'reform'. It'll make some capitals that don't want muslims & aren't taking any anyway say some things a little turd like IDS will take for support & spin despite it being meaningless for the issues that Cameron has sought reform on that pre-date this crisis & those capitals are still 100% behind.

Jeebus....they are just such 'not clever people' & they treat us as such too but he's talking rubbish like he ALWAYS does


PollyAnthus 2 Oct 2015 20:50

Ian Duncan Smith is an "out of control" narcissistic psycho whose policies are killing, poor, vulnerable and disabled people. Why is this person who obviously should not be allowed anywhere near a government post in high office being featured in this newspaper? The man is dangerous and his views extreme.


ProbablyafakeID 2 Oct 2015 20:40

Surely a crisis in part brought about by this governments and the previous governments support of bombing places like Libya.... Or other middle eastern countries...

It's a vile man who knowingly does wrong.... Such a man is IDS.

This government is a threat to peace, economic stability, international security and very much your family (unless you have a couple of million in the bank of course)

[Oct 02, 2015] This Week In Energy Don't Be Fooled By Latest U.S. Production Data

"... Libya is producing less than 400,000 barrels per day, far below the 1.6 million barrels per day it produced during the Gaddafi era. ..."
Oct 02, 2015 | OilPrice.com

... ISIS attacks in Libya could have a much more direct impact. On October 1, ISIS militants attacked one of Libya's main oil ports, Es Sider. The port is under the control of the recognized government and has been closed since December 2014, preventing Libya from reviving oil exports. One guard at Es Sider was reportedly killed but the attack was repelled. Still, Libya has been torn apart by conflict, and the two warring factions are at a stalemate, with a security vacuum across most of the country.

Libya is producing less than 400,000 barrels per day, far below the 1.6 million barrels per day it produced during the Gaddafi era.

[Oct 02, 2015] Job Growth Weakens in September

Oct 02, 2015 | economistsview.typepad.com
Economist's View

Dean Baker:

Job Growth Weakens in September:

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The average hourly wage dropped slightly in September, bringing the annual rate of growth over the last three months compared with the prior three to 2.2 percent, the same as its rate over the last year. The drop in the hourly wage, combined with the fall in hours, led to a 0.3 percent drop in the average weekly wage.

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On the whole this report suggests the labor market is considerably weaker than had been generally believed. The plunge in oil prices is taking a large toll on the formerly booming mining sector. In addition, the high dollar and the resulting trade deficit is a major hit to manufacturing. The 138,000 three-month average rate of private sector job growth is the lowest since February of 2011. The strong growth in government jobs is not likely to continue with budgets still tight. With GDP growth hovering near 2.0 percent, weaker job growth is to be expected, but it will make it much more difficult for the Federal Reserve Board to raise rates this year.

Mike Sparrow:

This looks like a adjustment to the ADP's 2015 mean more than anything else. That is the trouble with the birth/death model. It misses turning points and this mid-cycle correction started in January. Yet, they kept NFP elevated in many of the next 7 months outside March which was another mess(created by the weather that time). ADP was much more tamed and consistent.

The good news is, it looks like the global economy may have bottomed in September and China's move to more consumption balance is panning out a bit, which will help growth there. Though the multi-national boom is over as investment driven growth necessarily reduces in these countries. Monthly wages also accelerated.

anne said in reply to Mike Sparrow...

I think the ADPs are better than the NFPs, though on a wet field field hockey in tricky and who knows which school will win. Anyway, Go ADPs! I was a midfielder.

am said...

Correct take off by DB that this weak report makes rate rises this year difficult to justify. Chair Yellen identified weakness in the labour market in her last report. This latest monthly labour report shows that that weakness continues.

DB concentrates on the weak stats for the prime age groups of men and women and states that it is clearly not retirement related. If he has any analysis on older cohorts continuing in employment longer than normal and impacting on the 25-54 cohort employment rates then I would appreciate a link.


anne said in reply to am...

http://data.bls.gov/pdq/querytool.jsp?survey=ln

January 4, 2015

Employment-Population Ratio, 2000-2015

2000 ( 81.5) *
2001 ( 80.2) Bush
2002 ( 78.8)
2003 ( 77.9)
2004 ( 78.1)

2005 ( 78.5)
2006 ( 79.2)
2007 ( 79.5)
2008 ( 78.5)
2009 ( 74.5) Obama

2010 ( 73.9)
2011 ( 73.8)
2012 ( 74.9)
2013 ( 75.2)
2014 ( 75.9)

September

2015 ( 76.5)

* Employment age 25-34

am said in reply to anne...

Thanks again.

It is clear that there is a structural change in employment. It may also be partly demographic but it is more than that hence I say structural.

cm said in reply to JohnH...

You can only offshore jobs that can actually be performed offshore. Not to deny offshoring which has been rampant in tech and various industries where services/labor can be delivered over the internet, but the probably more significant factors overall have probably been automation and computer/IT enabled "self service" i.e. pushing work off to the customer/client or just cutting the service level - e.g. "self help" web FAQs instead of printed manuals and phone support, or phone support (offshore or not) who basically read from the same documents/scripts you can search on the internet for yourself.

cawley said in reply to JohnH...

While I want to be cautious in thinking that I speak for anyone else, I would guess most of the QE supporters on this blog fully recognize that there are other factors besides interest rate/fed policy.

In fact, I would hazard (tho I may be wrong) that most of them would have preferred stronger fiscal policy.

Maybe I'm just projecting my own view which is that fiscal policy would have been preferable. Unfortunately, it was not happening. Clearly the republicans weren't in the mood - at least as long as there was a non white muslim atheist socialist communist dictator from the other party in the House f/k/a White. To me, it doesn't seem like Obama had a sufficient appetite either - altho some argue that didn't matter.

That being the case, monetary policy was pretty much the only game in town. Is it a panacea? Hell no. Has it been enough to get the economy back to full employment? Obviously not. Is it possible there are/will be some pernicious unintended consequences? Maybe, but I would argue they are second order concerns compared to employment and probably manageable.

But I've got no reason to think that withholding QE would have resulted in better fiscal policy - or any other change that would have improved employment. And I tend to think that the counterfactual consistent with no QE and the same fiscal policy would have been even worse employment.

Peter K. said in reply to JohnH...

"Strong dollar, weak dollar. It doesn't seem to matter. "

You're just a nihilist. Facts and theory don't matter. Dean Baker:

"In addition, the high dollar and the resulting trade deficit is a major hit to manufacturing. The 138,000 three-month average rate of private sector job growth is the lowest since February of 2011."

New Deal democrat said in reply to pgl...

This downshifting in the employment numbers was foreseeable, and foreseen:

http://bonddad.blogspot.com/2015/10/told-you-so-weakening-job-growth-edition.html

It is party strong US$, partly oil patch collapse, and part pass-through from last year's stall in housing starts.

Fred C. Dobbs said...
What the Terrible September Jobs Report Means for the
Economy http://nyti.ms/1Vsx2rO via @UpshotNYT
NYT - Neil Irwin - Oct 2

The September jobs numbers are easily the worst of 2015 so far. They offer an unpleasant combination of a bad overall headline, bad details and bad timing, amid a volatile and unsettling time in global markets.

The weak numbers offer some vindication for those Federal Reserve officials who preferred to hold off on interest rate increases last month to ensure the economy was on sound footing before tightening the money supply. They also give reason to worry that those wild market swings in August were less random fluctuations and more an indication that something deeper is wrong with the global economy - not so much that the stock market drop in August caused weak September jobs numbers, but that there is an underlying economic fragility causing both.

The question now is whether it means anything - whether the United States economic expansion, which seemed set to roar into 2015, is slowing in some meaningful way. We don't know that yet, and it would be a mistake to leap to that conclusion. But that possibility became quite a bit more plausible after the September numbers popped onto economists' computer screens.

As always, it is a useful exercise on jobs report Fridays to take a deep breath and remember that this is but one set of indicators, with a large margin of statistical error, that will be revised repeatedly. But the fact that the latest jobs numbers are consistent with another report, from the Institute of Supply Management, earlier this week that suggested United States manufacturing slowed to a standstill in September doesn't do anything to help an economy-watcher maintain that zen perspective.

The new numbers are poor on pretty much every level. American employers added a mere 142,000 jobs last month, far below the analyst forecast of 201,000 or the average over the last year of 229,000. Revisions pushed July and August numbers down substantially. The unemployment rate was unchanged at 5.1 percent.

This is usually the point in one of these stories where we would list the silver linings - the countervailing details that suggest it isn't as bad as all that. This report doesn't really offer any. Average weekly hours fell. Average hourly pay was unchanged. The number of people in the labor force fell by 350,000, and the number of people who reported having a job fell by 236,000.

We don't even have a major snowstorm or other weird weather event to blame, nor a strike in a major industry, nor some outsize shift in the results from one category of employer that might suggest an aberration.

The most positive angle I could come up with, with credit to the anonymous Twitter user @modestproposal1, is the possibility that with the unemployment rate scraping relatively low numbers, we should expect the rate of job creation to slow simply because the pool of potential workers is dwindling.

That said, that theory doesn't match up with the stagnant hourly pay and data in the survey of households suggesting people may be leaving the work force. ...

modest proposal @modestproposal1
Remain cognizant that job growth may naturally slow as we approach full employment and will instead be interpreted as economy slowing

Fred C. Dobbs said in reply to Fred C. Dobbs...
The pool of skilled/trained
workers dwindles; those who remain
are simply not worth hiring?

[Oct 02, 2015] Showdown at the UN Corral

Antiwar.com
If there was any doubt that Washington has learned absolutely nothing since George W. Bush's invasion of Iraq, then President Obama's address to the United Nations has confirmed the world's worst fears. It was an oration that combined the most egregious lies with the wooly-minded "idealism" that has been such a destructive force in world affairs since the days of Woodrow Wilson. First, the lies:

"The evidence is overwhelming that the Assad regime used such weapons on August 21st. U.N. inspectors gave a clear accounting that advanced rockets fired large quantities of sarin gas at civilians. These rockets were fired from a regime-controlled neighborhood and landed in opposition neighborhoods. It's an insult to human reason and to the legitimacy of this institution to suggest that anyone other than the regime carried out this attack."

The evidence is far from "overwhelming," and the only insult to human reason is the dogmatic repetition of this American talking point. As Seymour Hersh pointed out in the London Review of Books:

"Barack Obama did not tell the whole story this autumn when he tried to make the case that Bashar al-Assad was responsible for the chemical weapons attack near Damascus on 21 August. In some instances, he omitted important intelligence, and in others he presented assumptions as facts. Most significant, he failed to acknowledge something known to the US intelligence community: that the Syrian army is not the only party in the country's civil war with access to sarin, the nerve agent that a UN study concluded – without assessing responsibility – had been used in the rocket attack. In the months before the attack, the American intelligence agencies produced a series of highly classified reports, culminating in a formal Operations Order – a planning document that precedes a ground invasion – citing evidence that the al-Nusra Front, a jihadi group affiliated with al-Qaida, had mastered the mechanics of creating sarin and was capable of manufacturing it in quantity. When the attack occurred al-Nusra should have been a suspect, but the administration cherry-picked intelligence to justify a strike against Assad."

And this isn't the only time this President hasn't told the whole story when it comes to the findings of US intelligence agencies: that's why fifty intelligence analysts are in open revolt at his cherry-picking of intelligence in order to show we're making progress in the fight against the Islamic State. And now we have former CIA chief David Petraeus, who was forced to resign, openly coming out with a proposal that we ally with the al-Nusra Front in order to overthrow Assad and edge out the Islamic State. Shouldn't that arouse suspicion that Washington has been covertly cooperating with al-Nusra – the Syrian affiliate of al-Qaeda – all along, and that Petraeus merely wants to formalize his deal with the Islamist Devil?

Here's another lie:

"[I]n Libya, when the Security Council provided a mandate to protect civilians, America joined a coalition that took action. Because of what we did there, countless lives were saved and a tyrant could not kill his way back to power.

"I know that some now criticize the action in Libya as an object lesson, that point to the problem that the country now confronts, a democratically elected government struggling to provide security, armed groups in some places, extremists ruling parts of the fractured land. And so these critics argue that any intervention to protect civilians is doomed to fail. Look at Libya.

"And no one's more mindful of these problems than I am, for they resulted in the death of four outstanding U.S. citizens who were committed to the Libyan people, including Ambassador Chris Stevens, a man whose courageous efforts helped save the city of Benghazi.

"But does anyone truly believe that the situation in Libya would be better, if Gadhafi had been allowed to kill, imprison or brutalize his people into submission? It's far more likely that without international action, Libya would now be engulfed in civil war and bloodshed."

It is beyond embarrassing that the President of the United States is going before the world assembly of nations proclaiming that he and his allies prevented Libya from being "engulfed in civil war and bloodshed." What does he think is happening there at this very moment?

The reality is that the intelligence did not show a "genocide" was in the making. Officials at the Defense Intelligence Agency – the same agency now being accused by its analysts of "cooking" intelligence to suit the administration's political agenda – could provide no empirical evidence for the assertions made by then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton that Col. Moammar Gaddafi was planning on slaughtering civilians en masse.

The claims made by the Obama administration that intervention was the only alternative to "genocide" were contested, at the time, by Alan J. Kuperman, writing in the Boston Globe:

"The best evidence that Khadafy did not plan genocide in Benghazi is that he did not perpetrate it in the other cities he had recaptured either fully or partially – including Zawiya, Misurata, and Ajdabiya, which together have a population greater than Benghazi."

"It is hard to know," Kuperman continues, "whether the White House was duped by the rebels or conspired with them to pursue regime-change on bogus humanitarian grounds." With the truth-challenged Hillary Clinton at the helm of this misbegotten misadventure, it isn't at all hard to draw the conclusion that the "genocide" claim was an outright lie perpetrated by the administration and its Libyan Islamist allies.

That these brazen falsehoods are coupled with phrases oozing with liberal "idealism," calls for "international cooperation," and proclamations that all Washington desires is "peace" throughout the Middle East and the world makes for a toxic and particularly nauseating cocktail. Bashar al-Assad is a "tyrant," but the regime of Gen. Abdel al-Sisi, which overthrew the democratically elected government, is merely guilty of making "decisions inconsistent with inclusive democracy."

Speaking of Assad, Obama's focus wasn't on the spread of the Islamic State but on the Syrian strongman, who is barely holding on to power by his fingernails. He cited Washington's support for the so-called "moderate" rebels, but complained that – for some unspecified reason – "extremist groups have still taken root to exploit the crisis." What he didn't mention – although Putin did – is that these alleged "moderates" have gone over to the extremists in droves, raising the question: were these US-funded Good Guys always Bad Guys in an ill-fitting disguise?

[Editorial note: This is the first part of a two-part column contrasting President Obama's UN speech to the address delivered by Russian President Vladimir Putin. The second part, dealing with Putin's remarks, will be published on Friday.]

[Sep 30, 2015] Obama Re-Defines Democracy – A Country that Supports U.S. Policy naked capitalism by Michael Hudson

September 29, 2015

In his Orwellian September 28, 2015 speech to the United Nations, President Obama said that if democracy had existed in Syria, there never would have been a revolt against Assad. By that, he meant ISIL. Where there is democracy, he said, there is no violence of revolution.

This was his threat to promote revolution, coups and violence against any country not deemed a "democracy." In making this hardly veiled threat, he redefined the word in the international political vocabulary. Democracy is the CIA's overthrow of Mossedegh in Iran to install the Shah. Democracy is the overthrow of Afghanistan's secular government by the Taliban against Russia. Democracy is the Ukrainian coup behind Yats and Poroshenko. Democracy is Pinochet. It is "our bastards," as Lyndon Johnson said with regard to the Latin American dictators installed by U.S. foreign policy.

A century ago the word "democracy" referred to a nation whose policies were formed by elected representatives. Ever since ancient Athens, democracy was contrasted to oligarchy and aristocracy. But since the Cold War and its aftermath, that is not how U.S. politicians have used the term. When an American president uses the word "democracy," he means a pro-American country following U.S. neoliberal policies. No matter if a country is a military dictatorship or the government was brought in by a coup (euphemized as a Color Revolution) as in Georgia or Ukraine. A "democratic" government has been re-defined simply as one supporting the Washington Consensus, NATO and the IMF. It is a government that shifts policy-making out of the hands of elected representatives to an "independent" central bank, whose policies are dictated by the oligarchy centered in Wall Street, the City of London and Frankfurt.

Given this American re-definition of the political vocabulary, when President Obama says that such countries will not suffer coups, violent revolution or terrorism, he means that countries safely within the U.S. diplomatic orbit will be free of destabilization sponsored by the U.S. State Department, Defense Department and Treasury. Countries whose voters democratically elect a government or regime that acts independently (or even that simply seeks the power to act independently of U.S. directives) will be destabilized, Syria style, Ukraine style or Chile style under General Pinochet. As Henry Kissinger said, just because a country votes in communists doesn't mean that we have to accept it. It is the style of "color revolutions" sponsored by the National Endowment for Democracy.

In his United Nations reply, Russian President Putin warned against the "export of democratic revolution," meaning by the United States in support of its local factotums. ISIL is armed with U.S. weapons and its soldiers were trained by U.S. armed forces. In case there was any doubt, President Obama reiterated before the United Nations that until Syrian President Assad was removed in favor of one more submissive to U.S. oil and military policy, Assad was the major enemy, not ISIL.

"It is impossible to tolerate the present situation any longer," President Putin responded. Likewise in Ukraine. "What I believe is absolutely unacceptable," he said in his CBS interview on 60 Minutes, "is the resolution of internal political issues in the former USSR Republics, through "color revolutions," through coup d'états, through unconstitutional removal of power. That is totally unacceptable. Our partners in the United States have supported those who ousted Yanukovych. … We know who and where, when, who exactly met with someone and worked with those who ousted Yanukovych, how they were supported, how much they were paid, how they were trained, where, in which countries, and who those instructors were. We know everything."

Where does this leave U.S.-Russian relations? I hoped for a moment that perhaps Obama's harsh anti-Russian talk was to provide protective coloration for an agreement with Putin in their 5 o'clock meeting. Speak one way so as to enable oneself to act in another has always been his modus operandi, as it is for many politicians. But Obama remains in the hands of the neocons.

Where will this lead? There are many ways to think outside the box. What if Putin proposes to air-lift or ship Syrian refugees – up to a third of the population – to Europe, landing them in Holland and England, obliged under the Shengen rules to accept them?

Or what if he brings the best computer specialists and other skilled labor for which Syria is renowned to Russia, supplementing the flood of immigration from "democratic" Ukraine?

What if the joint plans announced on Sunday between Iraq, Iran, Syria and Russia to jointly fight ISIS – a coalition that US/NATO has refrained from joining – comes up against U.S. troops or even the main funder of ISIL, Saudi Arabia?

The game is out of America's hands now. All it is able to do is wield the threat of "democracy" as a weapon of coups to turn recalcitrant countries into Libyas, Iraqs and Syrias.

By Michael Hudson, a research professor of Economics at University of Missouri, Kansas City, and a research associate at the Levy Economics Institute of Bard College. His latest book is "KILLING THE HOST: How Financial Parasites and Debt Bondage Destroy the Global Economy."

nippersdad, September 29, 2015 at 10:22 am

"We know who and where, when, who exactly met with someone and worked with those who ousted Yanukovich, how they were supported, how much they were paid, how they were trained, where, in which countries, and who those instructors were. We know everything."

That sounds like a pretty clear threat to the Democratic front runner for the Presidency to come to terms, or else. While it is good to see someone threatening accountability, it would be nice if it didn't have to come from Russia.

ifthethunderdontgetya™³²®©

September 29, 2015 at 11:49 am

Accountability will not come from an Administration that made Victoria Nuland an Assistant Secretary of State in the first place.

https://consortiumnews.com/2015/07/13/the-mess-that-nuland-made/

nippersdad, September 29, 2015 at 1:41 pm

No doubt, but I was kind of hoping that the progressive caucuses might make more of a fuss than they did over our "the king is dead, long live the king", foreign policy. That is, after all, what got many of them elected. It never ceases to amaze me how fast candidates become coopted by the establishment once elected.

Synoia, September 29, 2015 at 2:03 pm

The establishment has files on them. Hudson's piece reads as a prelude to war.

Nick, September 29, 2015 at 10:38 am

This post is nothing but tinfoil-hattery. I can assure you, the US is shedding no tears for the pain Russia is about to inflict on itself by putting Russian boots on the ground in Damascus.

OIFVet, September 29, 2015 at 11:10 am

Did a latter-day Charlie Wilson tell you that? I have no doubt that the stuck-in-the-past meatheads in DC have a wet dream over just such a scenario. I also have no doubt that Russia (as well as China and Iran) have no intention of falling into such a trap. The ongoing peeling-off of Euro/NATO lemmings is as clear indication as any that the US will end up either backing off or try to go it alone. The latter is a recipe for disaster, as even Obama realizes. So right now it's all posturing for domestic consumption, behind the scenes things are a bit different as certain recent incidents would seem to indicate. But hey, we can dream the Russophobic/Slavophobic dreams, amiright?


lylo, September 29, 2015 at 12:05 pm

Yeah, my reading too.

I also have to point out how ironic it is that a country stuck in several unresolved conflicts that continue to drain resources and produce instability years later is hoping that, somehow, their opponents get suckered into a quagmire in a country they are already stuck in.

So, sure, I guess that's what they're hoping for. Makes about as much sense as anything else they've come up with recently (including direct confrontation with Russia just to enrich a few ME and corporate pals.)

And "tinfoil hattery" is generally used as things not accepted and proven. Which part of this isn't proven? US toppling democracies and installing dictators who we then call democratic? That we have less pull on the international stage than anytime in our lives? That the other bloc has a serious advantage in this conflict, and going forward? These are all facts…


washunate, September 30, 2015 at 12:10 pm

Give Nick a little credit now; there is a shred of cleverness to the comment(!). He's trying to plant a big lie inside of the framing – namely, that the rise of IS is a legitimate rebellion within Syria.

When of course the truth is the opposite. It's IS that is the foreign invader; Russian boots on the ground would be working with the recognized government, not against it. Indeed, the comparison might inadvertently be quite apt. Syria looks more and more like a marker on the road from Pax Americana to a multipolar world. Just like the Soviet-Afghan war was a marker on the road from the Cold War to Pax Americana.

Perhaps another incident is a better comparison. Maybe Syria is our Suez moment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_Crisis

Thure Meyer, September 29, 2015 at 11:15 am

Nick,

Tinfoil-hattery, interesting choice of words. So who's conspiracy are you talking about?

As to your assurance; well it would be a bit more convincing if you were to unveil your identity so that I know who speaks for all of us (US)...

readerOfTeaLeaves, September 29, 2015 at 2:32 pm

Oh, crikey Nick.
What codswaddle!

As near as I can tell, the US Foreign Policy establishment is driven by think tanks that are funded by oil companies, Saudis, Israelis, and others for whom 'putting America first' means covering their own asses and letting the US military (and well-compensated military contractors) do all the heavy lifting.

As if that weren't bad enough, we also have the R2Pers ("responsibility to protect"), whose hypocrisy could gag a maggot - the R2Pers seem to think it is urgent to solve every other nation's (and corporations) problems - indeed, so very urgent that kids from Iowa, Arkansas, Louisiana, Idaho, etc should all be sent into harm's way in distant lands, whose languages the R2Pers don't happen to speak, whose histories the R2Pers are ignorant about, and whose cultural nuances are unknown to the R2Pers.

IOW, Washington DC appears to be awash in egoism and careerism.

I think that Russians have managed to figure that out.

washunate, September 30, 2015 at 11:54 am

I find it rather amusing that this is the best the Democratic establishment can throw at posts pointing out the idiocy of imperialism. How the Obots have fallen.

steelhead23, September 29, 2015 at 10:56 am

It isn't just the lies and abject stupidity that keeps the U.S. constantly at war, it is our alliances with repressive dictators, like the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia that is leading the U.S. toward confrontation with civilization, and Russia. Not so much a leader, the U.S. has become the militant vassal of KSA. The undying irony is that it was wealthy Saudis who started the most recent mess on 9/11/01. This will not end until the U.S. turns its back on the KSA.

Sufferin' Succotash, September 29, 2015 at 11:15 am

Or KSA self-destructs.

http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/collapse-saudi-arabia-inevitable-1895380679

Ranger Rick, September 29, 2015 at 11:00 am

Russia has always maintained that the Ukrainian revolution was CIA-backed if not -instigated. It's a shrewd move given the US's track record with regime change. No one will ever be sure if the new Ukrainian government is entirely legitimate or not.

What really gets terrifying is when you take a step back and realize that the 1800s imperialist regime never really changed. When you start talking about "superpower" or "regional power" you are no longer talking about power in the military or economic sense. These countries regularly meddle in, if not directly control, the politics in other countries. It honestly does not matter to the United States or Russia or any other country what your government chooses to do as long as it does what the other country wants.

NotTimothyGeithner, September 29, 2015 at 11:48 am

The Kiev rump failed to meet constitutional standards for impeachment even with the threats of the mob, and with elections just three or four months away in September following the Maidan event, there was no practical reason for a forceful removal of the government. Third party or not, the Kiev rump government has the same legality as the Confederacy. The "separatists" and the Crimeans saw their country dissolved by a mob, not an election with a regularly scheduled one on the horizon. The Ukraine was not a case where they would be waiting four years under a tyrant. If they had made it to September with electioneering issues, then the situation would be different, but as the current cabal didn't do that, they are akin to Jefferson Davis just with a better hand.

Americans as celebrators of the Declaration of Independence should note it is not legitimate to change established governing customs because your side might lose there has to be a litany of grievances with no possibility of redress. By Mr. Jefferson's standards, this country should have nothing to do with the Kiev government until the concerns of the separatists have been addressed. Unfortunately the use of law doesn't exist in this country.

Eureka Springs, September 29, 2015 at 11:11 am

Obamacrats rhetoric and behavior (policy) are both reminiscent and escalation of Bushco in so many ways.

Wasn't it Bush Jr. who said something along the line of "Democracies don't attack each other"?

NotTimothyGeithner, September 29, 2015 at 12:03 pm

It's just the old Democratic peace theory. It's utter garbage. I'm sure 43 said it because he repeated the last thing he heard anyway. World War I is pitched as a battle between old world tyrannical such as Germany (with universal male suffrage for its power base) versus shining beacons of democracy such as the UK and France which weren't quite democracies yet. Hitler sort of won a national election. Churchill was selected in a secret meeting when Chamberlain had to step down. So where is the democratic line? It's always been subjective test.

Of course, all governments rule by the consent of the governed.

JerseyJeffersonian, September 29, 2015 at 5:37 pm

Actually, Leander, the vaunted "independence" of the central banks of the US, Great Britain, and Deutschland is largely a fiction. And this very fiction has the effect of hyper-empowering both the financial sector and the oligarchs with whom the financial sector exists in a symbiotic relationship; in point of fact, these "independent" central banks are largely mere creatures of the financial sector and the symbiont oligarchs. The carefully cultivated appearance of independence is a sham under whose cover the truth about how central bank policies cater slavishly to the interests of the financial sector and oligarchs remains unrecognized.

Careerist movement back and forth between the central banks and the financial sector (along with the academic and think tank communities in which neo-liberalism reigns supreme as the only accepted school of economics) facilitates the group-think that culminates in the intellectual capture of the "independent" central banks. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Welcome to Naked Capitalism; our hosts provide us with a rich spread of knowledge and analysis, rather as Col. Lang does at his blog, Sic Semper Tyrannis, at which I have also read your posts.

MaroonBulldog, September 29, 2015 at 11:13 pm

In United States administrative law, the word "independent" has an interesting meaning: it refers to an executive regulatory agency that is "independent of the president," in the sense that the president cannot easily remove the head of the agency. The Fed is independent in this sense: the president cannot easily fire Chair Yellen or any other member of the Fed's board of governors.

An agency can be "independent" in this sense and still completely captured by the industry it purports to regulate.

Yves Smith, September 30, 2015 at 3:42 am

*Sigh*

The Fed is NOT owned by banks.

Banks hold shares of non-voting preferred stock in regional Feds. The Board of Governors, which approves the hiring of all regional Fed presidents, is most assuredly part of the Federal government. The regional Feds are more like a nasty public-private partnership with a bad governance structure (as in the regional Fed boards on which banks have some, and I stress some, director seats, cannot hire or fire ANYONE at a regional Fed, they do not approve budgets or other policy actions. Their role is strictly advisory, although the regional Feds, being more than a little captured cognitively, give that advice a fair bit of weight.

To give an idea how much power those banks you incorrectly deem to be owners have: Congress is looking at passing a bill to cut the dividends of the all but small banks how hold shares in the Fed by 75%. Pray tell, can Congress tell a private company to cut its dividends?

TedWa, September 30, 2015 at 10:21 am

Hi Yves : I don't see any Fed "independence" in action and haven't for quite some time.


Max, September 29, 2015 at 11:40 am

Ah yes, the notoriously secular and definitely legitimate PDPA government of Afghanistan 'overthrown' by the US. Is that a joke? Has Michael Hudson ever read a book about the Afghan civil war, a highly complex, decade-plus asymmetrical conflict with constantly shifting actors and allegiances? Reducing it to a narrative about US imperialism is intellectually dishonest on its own (there is no evidence that the US ever provided material support to the Taliban – everything from HRW to internal US documents to the academic consensus to journalistic accounts such as Ahmed Rashid's Taliban (2001?) contradicts that claim), nevermind that the Khalqi-Parcham government was a Soviet puppet government and an imperial construct in its own right. Check out any works by Barnett Rubin (U Nebraska?) or Thomas Barfield (B.U.)

The Mujahideen debacle (Which is both a separable and conjoined issue to the rise of the Taliban depending on time frame) was a result of poor US oversight of Pakistan, an internal US policy failure (no accountability or human intelligence on the ground) and of course intimately tied to the USSR's campaign of genocide in Afghanistan. Yes, the CIA gave the ISI $2-3bil in loose change to funnel into the Mujahideen (which were not united in any meaningful sense at any point in time, and frequently factionalized over pork-barrel / ethnic / tribal issues), however, the US policy at the time was hands-off with regard to how that money was spent, and if you read Peter Tomsen's book about his time as HW's special envoy it becomes quite clear that the blinders were on in Washington with regard to what was actually happening there on the ground.

Here's a quick and outdated overview for anyone who would like to educate themselves about this conflict: http://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/afghan2/Afghan0701-02.htm

I understand that the Russophilia on this blog runs strongly but the inhumane destruction visited upon the Afghan people by the USSR's geopolitics is and was sickening, imperialistic and functionally a genocide. How am I supposed to take any of this polemic seriously when the author can't even be bothered to read about a conflict? This is a prime example of ideology driving discourse. There are plenty of fair-game examples to call out the US's short-sighted and globally destructive foreign policy. I do not see the point in allowing ideology to cover for misinformation and misrepresentation of historical facts – that's the playbook of neoliberal hustlers.

Faroukh Bulsara, September 29, 2015 at 2:53 pm

"…the notoriously secular and definitely legitimate PDPA government of Afghanistan 'overthrown' by the US. Is that a joke?"

Umm, Max buddy, where in this article did Hudson say such a thing? Right, he didn't. But thanks for the Afghan history lesson anyway.

Max, September 29, 2015 at 3:13 pm

"Democracy is the overthrow of Afghanistan's secular government by the Taliban against Russia."

It's right there in the opening paragraph, and the accusation is rather explicit.

juliania, September 29, 2015 at 8:53 pm

That's an awkward sentence to be sure, Max – I puzzled over that one myself. I'm more in favor of this extract from Putin's speech at the UN:

". . .We should all remember the lessons of the past. For example, we remember examples from our Soviet past, when the Soviet Union exported social experiments, pushing for changes in other countries for ideological reasons, and this often led to tragic consequences and caused degradation instead of progress. . ."

Sort of 'puts paid' to trying to equate the Russian Federation with the Soviet Union, doesn't it?

OIFVet, September 29, 2015 at 3:15 pm

Is that the same HRW that can't find evidence of Kiev purposefully targeting and killing civilians? The same HRW that has never said a thing about the US support for murderous regimes in Latin America? Or about US war crimes? Yeah OK, I will take their word on how Afghanistan went down, over the US' proven track record of destroying any and all left-leaning Third World governments from 1950 onward.

Max, September 29, 2015 at 3:38 pm

Attack one of my sources, fine – the others still exist in far greater numbers. Barnett Rubin is my favorite, his book "Blood on the Doorstep" is excellent.

Is everything part of the US capitalist plot or is there some verifiable source that you will accept without dismissing out of hand? You didn't even attempt to read the source.

The Afghan government was left leaning in the sense that it was more socially progressive than the population living outside of Kabul, all 80% of the country that the government did not control in fact; and their authoritarian approach to instituting gender equality and abolishing Islam had a disastrous effect on the government's popularity and tribal credit, which was and is necessary to gain the support of the rural population. Other than that it was your typical post-Stalinist tankie failed experiment in land redistribution and Party education apparatus that only served to create a new class of insular elites & alienating/disenfranchising the majority of the population while hamstringing developmental progress made by actual Afghans in the decades before the Soviets (and eventually Pakistan and the US) got their hands in the pot.

OIFVet, September 29, 2015 at 3:55 pm

IOW, the Soviets and the US were like peas in a pod. Funny that the "accomplishments" cited by Empire apologists also used to include gender equality and the creation of insular elites. So what's your point, that the Soviets tried to prop-up their flunkies by force? Pot calling the kettle black, much like 0bama's speech yesterday. And HRW has often acted in concert with the US to cover up its crimes while hypocritically calling out those who weren't "our sonzofbiatches."

likbez, September 30, 2015 at 9:23 pm

The Afghan government was left leaning in the sense that it was more socially progressive than the population living outside of Kabul, all 80% of the country that the government did not control in fact; and their authoritarian approach to instituting gender equality and abolishing Islam had a disastrous effect on the government's popularity and tribal credit, which was and is necessary to gain the support of the rural population. Other than that it was your typical post-Stalinist tankie failed experiment in land redistribution and Party education apparatus that only served to create a new class of insular elites & alienating/disenfranchising the majority of the population while hamstringing developmental progress made by actual Afghans in the decades before the Soviets (and eventually Pakistan and the US) got their hands in the pot.

That's plain vanilla propaganda. Or more charitably you are oversimplifying the issue and try to embellish the USA behavior. Which was a horrible crime. Soviets were not that simplistic and attempts to abolish Islam were not supported by Soviets. They tried to create a secular country that's right but with Islam as a dominant religion.

See http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=afghanwar_tmln&afghanwar_tmln_soviet_occupation_of_afghanistan=afghanwar_tmln_us_aid_to_islamist_mujaheddin

And how many years Afghan government survived after the USSR dissolved and financial and technical aid disappeared. You need to shred your post and eat it with borsch. It's a shame.


fajensen, September 30, 2015 at 5:35 am

Ah, but: "A man is known by the company he keeps".

Whatever Putin is besides, he is *not* a friend, ally and global protector of Saudi Arabic Wahhabism!

With friends like that, it is clear o everyone else that you people are circling pretty close to the drain already and we non-USA-nian un-people prefer to not be sucked into your decline via TTIP et cetera.

Michael Hudson, September 29, 2015 at 11:17 pm

Max, your comment does not make sense.

All I can say is that this blog is NOT Russiaphilia. That's name calling. It is not Russiaphilia to note the effect of U.S. foreign policy on bolstering the most right-wing fundamentalist Islamic groups, Latin American right-wing kleptocracies or other dictatorships.

Whatever Soviet oppression was in Afghanistan, it did not back religious extremism. Just the opposite.

OIFVet, September 29, 2015 at 11:38 pm

Nick was probably one of those who screamed about cheese-eating surrender monkeys while stuffing themselves with supersized freedom fries orders.

September 29, 2015 at 3:47 pm


Ahem. Egypt. Egypt had a brief democracy.

Iran had a very real and true democracy (1955) but it was wiped out by the US.

Lot's of countries actually have democratic elections but when the people elect someone the US disapproves of, that democracy has to go and is ALWAYS replaced by a dictatorship.

Obama's a corrupt idiot. Syria is a mess only because the US made it that way, NOT because Assad is a meanie.

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cwaltz

September 30, 2015 at 2:50 am


It's possible that Assad is a meanie AND that Syria is a mess because as usual we half assed support people who are just as horrible as him. It isn't like Saddam wasn't our great friend before we declared him horrible, terrible awful leader.

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OpenThePodBayDoorsHAL, September 29, 2015 at 5:39 pm

The words in their respective UN speeches were very clear. Obomba: "I believe that what is true for America is true for virtually all mature democracies". Putin: "No one is obliged to conform to a single development model that is considered by someone else as the right one".
Ask yourself which statement the Founding Fathers of the U.S. would agree with. Yankee go home.

bh2, September 29, 2015 at 10:40 pm

"Hope and change", baby! The long arc of history bends toward despotism.

Knute Rife, September 29, 2015 at 11:25 pm

This has been a favorite US tactic since the Marines hit Tripoli (anti-piracy myths notwithstanding), took off with the Spanish-American War, went through the roof when the Latin American interventions started in earnest in the 20s, and became our peculiar and cherished institution with the Cold War. Obama is just continuing the tradition.

cwaltz , September 30, 2015 at 2:37 am

I'll give him this- it's as close to being transparent on our foreign policy as I've seen any of his predecessors come.

At least, he's admitting that our end game has always been first and foremost about our own interests. Now if he'll only admit that THIS is why the world really hates us. Being selfish and protecting only your own interests at the cost of others is never going to be a winning plan to encourage people to like you or trust you(particularly when you collude behind closed doors to carry out those interests.)

*Sigh* We're America. We set the bar low when it comes to caring about how others wish to govern themselves, our only criteria is that your leader always consider US interests first(nevermind that they aren't actually a US leader and should be putting their own inhabitants first.)


[Sep 30, 2015] Obama, Putin need steady nerves & stout hearts in Syria by M.K. Bhadrakumar

September 30, 2015 | Asia Times

The best thing about the ninety-minute meeting between the US President Barack Obama and his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin in New York on Monday was that they agreed there was not going to be any recourse to rhetoric. Putin, accordingly, handled the media himself and the White House refrained from releasing the customary readout.

A senior US official said the talks were "productive" and he calmed down the American media, explaining "this was not a situation where either one of them [Obama or Putin] was seeking to score points". Putin's interaction with the Russian media conveyed the impression that he too was satisfied with the outcome of the meeting.

The Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov had previously met US Secretary of State John Kerry and handed over to him a 'flow chart' on the implementation of the Minsk agreements on Ukraine. Indeed, Putin also used an interview with Charlie Rose at CBS to speak without diplomatese on the Kremlin thinking regarding Syria and Ukraine.

In remarks to Russian media, Putin described his talks with Obama as "very useful and what is particularly pleasant, it was very sincere". He struck a positive tone, saying the American side explained their position "quite clearly" and "indeed, surprising as it may seem, we have many coinciding points and opinions".

Putin acknowledged the differences, but refused to be drawn into them – except on the central issue that the air strikes in Syria by the US-led coalition are incompatible with international law.

... ... ...

Obama could not have agreed with the line of Russian thinking on strengthening "al-Assad's army" – at least, not yet openly. But an increasingly wider audience in the West has learnt to live with that thought. Putin simply drew satisfaction for the moment that despite differences, "we have agreed to work together".

However, a senior US official maintained separately that the two sides fundamentally disagreed on the role that President Bashar al-Assad will play in resolving the civil conflict in Syria. The official explained that while Moscow sees Assad as a bulwark against the extremists, the Americans see him as continuing to fan the flames of a sectarian conflict in Syria.

Of course, Putin insists that the future of al-Assad is not for outsiders to propose but is the exclusive business of Syrian citizens. The principle is unquestionable. The US faces an acute dilemma here insofar as in a democratic election, Assad's re-election as president still remains a strong possibility, since secular-minded Syrians cutting across religious sects or ethnic divides would still see him as the best bet against an extremist takeover.

... ... ...


The discussions relating to Syria and the Islamic State apparently marginalized the Ukraine crisis, but tensions are not so acute on that front lately. Putin hinted that the US is now putting its weight behind the Normandy Format (comprising the leaderships of Germany, France, Russia and Ukraine), allowing it to spearhead the conflict resolution in Ukraine. A Normandy Format summit meeting is due to take place Friday in Paris.

... ... ...

[Sep 30, 2015] Obama Snubbed as Xi, Putin Stay at Chinese Owned Waldorf

Sep 30, 2015 | Zero Hedge
J Mahoney

Nothing too significant about this...just a minor bitch slap cause the US started the fiasco concerning the Waldorff. After the Chinese bought it last year, the STATE DEPT announced they would no longer have meetings there or house guests there because of the fear of eavesdropping. How ironic the STATE DEPT didn't show the same level of precaution about Hillbillies private email server.

Flying Wombat

Great read:

"Chinese-Russian Relations and the Empire: Analysis w/ The Saker"

http://thenewsdoctors.com/?p=513952


luna_man

"Snubbed"?...This is known as self preservation!

bad enough being in the U.S.A. for these two...especially after J.F.K. and 911!

CRIMINALS TURF

Able Ape

I wouldn't step in the Whitehouse even if it was pressure-washed with high-pressure steam hoses, then copiously sprayed with hydrogen peroxide, and finally liberally doused with concentrated bleach and they then offered me a Level 4 biohazard suit. Some places you just need to stay OUT of!...

NoWayJose

The Chinese owned Waldorf is probably the only place they can stay without having to worry about the NSA listening in. You can bet that there are special floors and rooms that are constructed to isolate any electronic leakage, and are swept several times each day.

BarkingCat

Unless the hotel has floors that are never rented, any spy agency can get surveillance equipment planted.

ebear

"1 year ago they bought the Waldorf for two billion US dollars."

Yeah, but do they know how to make a Waldorf salad?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDE3mVLNdRA


[Sep 30, 2015] Becoming China From Shale Malinvestment Boom To We Are Overbuilt Bust

"... As Bloomberg reports ..."
"... The frenzied drilling that made it No. 1 in personal-income growth and job creation for five consecutive years hasn't lasted long enough to support the oil-fueled building explosion ..."
Sep 30, 2015 | Zero Hedge

many previous oil-boomtowns across Texas and North Dakota are facing a real-estate crisis. As Bloomberg reports, the former bustling "man-camps" of towns like Williston, ND are now desolate with hundreds of skeletons or wood & cement as predictions that fracking would sustain production and a robust tax base for decades have failed completely.

... ... ...

Chain saws and staple guns echo across a $40 million residential complex under construction in Williston, North Dakota, a few miles from almost-empty camps once filled with oil workers. As Bloomberg reports, after struggling to house thousands of migrant roughnecks during the boom, the state faces a new real-estate crisis: The frenzied drilling that made it No. 1 in personal-income growth and job creation for five consecutive years hasn't lasted long enough to support the oil-fueled building explosion.

Civic leaders and developers say many new units were already in the pipeline, and they anticipate another influx of workers when oil prices rise again. But for now, hundreds of dwellings approved during the heady days are rising, skeletons of wood and cement surrounded by rolling grasslands, with too few residents who can afford them.

"We are overbuilt," said Dan Kalil, a commissioner in Williams County in the heart of the Bakken, a 360-million-year-old shale bed, during a break from cutting flax on his farm. "I am concerned about having hundreds of $200-a-month apartments in the future."

The surge began in 2006, when rising oil prices made widespread hydraulic fracturing economically feasible. The process forces water, sand and chemicals down a well to crack rock and release the crude. Predictions were that fracking would sustain production and a robust tax base for decades.

Laborers descended on the state, many landing in temporary settlements of recreational vehicles, shacks and even chicken coops. Energy companies put up some workers in so-called man camps. In 2011, Williams County commissioners approved 12,000 beds, says Michael Sizemore, the county building official.

Everyone levered up on this "no-brainer"...

The camps were supposed to be an interim solution until subdivision and apartment complexes could be built.

Civic leaders across the Bakken charged into overdrive, processing hundreds of permits and borrowing tens of millions of dollars to pay for new water and sewer systems. Williston has issued $226 million of debt since January 2011; about $144 million is outstanding. Watford City issued $2.34 million of debt; about $2.1 million is outstanding.

and many remain delusional...

"We didn't build temporary housing on purpose because we viewed North Dakota as a long-term play," said Israel Weinberger, a principal at Coltown Properties, which invests in multi-family real-estate developments.

"We think the local production of oil is here to stay. Yes, prices have dropped, but it's a commodity and commodities fluctuate. There is always a risk."

Fracking's success has created another glut...

As the migrant workers leave, their castoffs pile up in scrap yards such as TJ's Autobody & Salvage outside Alexander, about 25 miles (40 kilometers) south of Williston. More than 400 discarded vehicles crowd its lot, including souped-up pickup trucks and an RV with rotting potatoes and a dead mouse in the sink.

"I wake up and RVs are in my driveway," said owner Tom Novak. "It's insane; there are empty campers everywhere."

HedgeAccordingly

welp.. was only matter of time..
IMF raises red flag about Canada's 'overheated' housing market

bluskyes

It's a golden age for the repo game

bluskyes

Oil has been boom/bust forever...

Unfortunately most are no longer from agrarian roots, and have no concept of living within one's means, and storing away excess in times of feast - for the times of famine that inevitably follow.

[Sep 28, 2015] Kunstler Rages Perhaps America Has Gotten What It Deserves

Sep 28, 2015 | Zero Hedge

Did Charlie Rose look like a fucking idiot last night on 60-Minutes, or what, asking Vladimir Putin how he could know for sure that the US was behind the 2014 Ukraine coup against President Viktor Yanukovych? Maybe the idiots are the 60-Minutes producers and fluffers who are supposed to prep Charlie's questions. Putin seemed startled and amused by this one on Ukraine: how could he know for sure?

Well, gosh, because Ukraine was virtually a province of Russia in one form or another for hundreds of years, and Russia has a potent intelligence service (formerly called the KGB) that had assets and connections threaded through Ukrainian society like the rhizomorphs of the fungus Armillaria solidipes through a conifer forest. Gosh, Charlie, it's like asking Obama whether the NSA might know what's going on in Texas.

And so there is Vladimir Putin, a former KGB officer, having to spell it out for the American clodhopper super-journalist. "We have thousands of contacts with them. We know who and where, and when they met with someone, and who worked with those who ousted Yanukovych, how they were supported, how much they were paid, how they were trained, where, in which country, and who those instructors were. We know everything."

The only thing Vlad left out of course was the now-world-famous panicked yelp by Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland crying, "Fuck the EU," when events in Kiev started getting out of hand for US stage-managers. But he probably heard about that, too.

Charlie then voice-overed the following statement: "For the record, the US has denied any involvement in the removal of the Ukrainian leader." Right. And your call is important us. And your check is in the mail. And they hate us for our freedom.

This bit on Ukraine was only a little more appalling than Charlie's earlier segment on Syria. Was Putin trying to rescue the Assad government? Charlie asked, in the context of President Obama's statement years ago that "Assad has to go."

Putin answered as if he were explaining something that should have been self-evident to a not-very-bright high school freshman: "To remove the legitimate government would create a situation which you can witness in other countries of the region, for instance Libya, where all the state institutions have disintegrated. We see a similar situation in Iraq. There's no other solution to the Syrian crisis than strengthening the government structure."

I guess Charlie and the 60-Minutes production crew hadn't noticed what had gone on around the Middle East the past fifteen years with America's program of toppling dictators into the maw of anarchy. Not such great outcomes.

Charlie persisted though, following his script: Was Putin trying to rescue Assad? Vlad had to lay it out for him as if he were introducing Charlie to the game of Animal Lotto: "What do you think about those who support the terrorist organizations only to oust Assad without thinking about what happens to the country after all the state institutions have been demolished…? Look at those who are in control of 60 percent of the territory of Syria."

Meaning ISIS. Al Nusra (formerly al Qaeda in Syria), i.e., groups internationally recognized as terrorist organizations.

Charlie Rose, 60-Minutes - and perhaps by extension US government agencies with an interest in propagandizing - seem to want to put over the story that Russia has involved itself in Syria only to aggrandize its role on in world affairs.

Forgive me for being so blunt, but what sort of stupid fucking idea is this? And are there any non-lobotomized adults left in the USA who can't see straight through it? The truth is that American policy in Syria (plus Iraq, Libya, Ukraine, Somalia, Afghanistan) is an impressive record of failure in terms of the one basic aim that most rational people might agree upon: stabilizing the region in a way that does not leave Islamic jihadi maniacs in charge.

Okay, so now the Russians will do what they can to try to stabilize Syria. They've had their failures, too (famously, Afghanistan). But Russian territory adjoins the Islamic lands and they clearly have stake in containing the virus of Islamic extremism near their borders. Is that not obvious?

Charlie made one other extremely dumb statement - he seems to prefer making assertions to asking straight-up questions - to the effect that Russia was misbehaving by deploying troops on its border with Ukraine.

Putin again seemed astonished by this credulous idiocy. The US had troops and nuclear weapons all over Europe, he answered. Did Charlie think that meant the US was attempting to occupy the nations of Europe now? Was it "a crime" for Russia to defend its own border with a neighboring state (formerly a province) that, he implied, the US had deliberately destabilized?

The Putin segment was followed by an sickening session with Donald Trump, a man who now - after a month or so of public exposure - proves incapable of uttering a coherent idea. I wonder what Vladimir Putin makes of this incomparable buffoon. Perhaps that America has gotten what it deserves.

[Sep 28, 2015] United Nations: Putin says he can work with Obama despite trading barbs on Syria and Isis

Looks like a new set of NATObots was in action today (for example, Valois1588, Member since 13 Sep 2015 ) . Only few of the "old guard" were participating in the discussion (metronome, Alderbaran, sasha19, a coupe of others)
"... At last, people are beginning to come out of the brainwashing conditioning of the West, and are realizing who the real enemy is here. ..."
"... If the US want to get a good bang for their buck they should attack and bomb IS military formations when they are attacking Assad positions. IS are grouped together at this point in large numbers - a good target. Robert Fisk and several journalists scratch their heads in consternation why the USA doesn't employ this logical and cost effective strategy. ..."
"... Russia & Syria signed a treaty on the 2nd February 1946...& that treaty stands to this day... ..."
"... It takes a Herculean effort at strangled logic to reconcile the US demands, only regarding itself of course, that it has unrestricted sovereignty over what it wishes to do, either at home or anywhere around the world, and it's willingness on a daily basis to breach the national sovereignty of any other nation it chooses. ..."
"... It is however ably assisted in this process by the Western Media, who regularly refer to the US demands for regime change in other countries without reference to the fact that such is a direct and serious breach of international law and the sovereignty of nations. They just assume that it is OK if it is the US making these demands and taking these actions, whereas if others choose to do so it raises wails of righteous indignation, not only from the US, but from the Western Press. ..."
"... That is a mark of the overwhelming success of the propaganda system that it has become so internalised amongst our supposedly free press that it never raises even an eyebrow. ..."
"... I don't think US or West in general give a damn about their war victims. The only thing which matters to them is their own geopolitical interests. ..."
"... Putin has a very long way to go to match the destruction and deaths caused by the glorious heroic US/UK duo who have been beyond any doubt BY FAR the most dangerous world 'power' in recent decades. ..."
"... It is interesting to note that the doctrinal system is functioning well in Washington. That system requires that all actions "we" take are clothed in righteousness and all comparable actions taken by "others" are clothed in ignominy and infamy. So to take Obama seriously we would need to have the UN condemn the illegal invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq and the illegal bombing of Syria, Libya, the Sudan, Yugoslavia and several lesser countries (in very recent times) and a litany of other countries over the last seventy years. But the doctrinal system requires us to plunge these manifold instances of the 'might makes right' approach down the memory hole to enable us to take the high moral ground at the UN, which we in effect control through our ability, and willingness, to withhold funding unless it does what we say. ..."
Sep 28, 2015 | www.theguardian.com

Scipio1 28 Sep 2015 19:01

Obama condemns 'might is right' - Words fail me!

Karina_Broadfoot 28 Sep 2015 18:59

At last, people are beginning to come out of the brainwashing conditioning of the West, and are realizing who the real enemy is here.

I applaud you Russia. Europe would prefer to transfer 27 million Syrian refugees and other Middle Eastern refugees across Europe, anything to avoid upsetting the bleeding hearts who will be hysterical if troops go on the ground. They complained about a British ISIS terrorist being killed in a bombing. We need to change. Please.


catalinataragudo 28 Sep 2015 18:58

The Russian analysis is right and always has been. Great that they've taken steps to end this madness. What a bunch of eedjits! Cameron and what do you call that other weird guy from north Yorkshire?


irgun777 ArundelXVI 28 Sep 2015 18:58

" A posterboy (or "poster boy," also "postergirl/poster girl" as appropriate) is a usually famous person who is heavily associated with and/or generally found to represent a given movement, subculture, religious group, fandom, etc. to people who do not belong to said group. "
Urban Dictionary.

Assad is associated with the opposition to ISIS and definitely does not belong to the rest of the countries in the region who support this group .


hungrycocky creel 28 Sep 2015 18:57

Crap!

The route of the problem is the disintegration of the Ottoman Empire and the stupid games France and England payed at the conclusion of WW1.

Blaming the Israelis for this is just silly mate.

Pietro Salvatori 28 Sep 2015 17:19

US has trained thousands of intended-fighters against ISIS and just after ending the boot camp they threw hats on the air and flood within ISIS ranks. Only 4-5 remained to fight ISIS (US Gen. Austin said): maybe the dumbest ones or the not tuned in. I feel you don't need to be Putin in order to find this point suspect...

laticsfanfromeurope -> RobertNeville 28 Sep 2015 17:18

Making illegal wars, support dictatorships, invading countries under the pretext of democracy and worsening the situation (Iraq, Afghanistan), support islamist terrorists during the "arab spring" in Libya, Egypt and Syria.

Meanwhile you are good friend of Isis supporters in the region, like Turkey, Qatar, Saudi Arabia...

I told you, man!

irgun777 -> seaspan 28 Sep 2015 18:48

" En masse desertion to Al Nusra " is reported by Guardian and many others.

Just google : deserters to Al Nusra

http://www.weaselzippers.us/142377-report-entire-free-syrian-army-unites-defecting-to-al-nusra-front-because-of-its-islamic-doctrine-and-advanced-weapons/

Try to focus on the substance and facts . If you have any links that there is no desertion in the so called moderates or we are against a regime change please , provide some .

Niall_Bradley -> MTavernier 28 Sep 2015 18:47

That 'barrel bombs' claim is totally unfounded: http://www.sott.net/article/302827-Syrian-death-toll-exaggerated-to-generate-Western-public-support-for-airstrikes-and-regime-change.

Bosula -> WarlockScott 28 Sep 2015 18:47

Kurds not support by Turkey and would not be acceptable as legitimate leaders of Syria. lead to more troubles.

Unfortunately, the US is working with range of moderate IS groups to replace Assad.

If the majority of US people knew this they would be mortified.

If the US want to get a good bang for their buck they should attack and bomb IS military formations when they are attacking Assad positions. IS are grouped together at this point in large numbers - a good target. Robert Fisk and several journalists scratch their heads in consternation why the USA doesn't employ this logical and cost effective strategy.

Niall_Bradley -> JudeUSA 28 Sep 2015 18:44

The US 'saving the world'! Don't you get it yet? What the US is doing now, it has always done. How else would it have become Number 1?

Niall_Bradley -> getuuuuumpher 28 Sep 2015 18:42

Don't forget the mercenaries who moonlight as 'ISIS' and 'rebels' and 'anti-ISIS'.

Bosula WarlockScott 28 Sep 2015 18:28

That has got to be better than the US supporting 'moderate' IS groups take over Syria - what the US called regime change.

How the US link democracy with supporting 'moderate' IS groups is beyond logic.

Dave Lawton 28 Sep 2015 18:28

The US was plotting to overthrow Assad in 2006 you just need to read the leaked diplomatic cables from those early years.It`s a no-brainer. The West is now collecting a lot of Karma for their policy of regime change. Also as I write this I hear this has occurred.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-34377565

normankirk -> Alderbaran 28 Sep 2015 18:25

So Alderaban, if there is such a force as these "moderate rebels" you refer to, who have the backing of the majority of Syrians, I would have expected them to have nominated a leader by now. Some democrat with huge appeal?

But to date , no one has come forward or been nominated. And it seems the genuine protest movement has been overwhelmed and subsumed by sectarian extremists, who get US training and weapons then promptly get killed or defect. So who do you see, which group (Moderate rebels is too vague, get specific) would have the backing of the Syrian people to be a credible alternative to Assad?

Please name the secular opposition members

Dinkylou -> WarlockScott 28 Sep 2015 18:24

Russia & Syria signed a treaty on the 2nd February 1946...& that treaty stands to this day...

"Russian speaking populace" they are Ukrainians...that's like pointing out the difference between American English & English English...The Russians have nothing to do with the genocide as you call it...It's the Ukraine government killing their own Ukrainian people...the only part the Russians have played in it... is that they are leveling the playing field a little bit by giving them weapons.

Aguia -> JudeUSA 28 Sep 2015 18:18

It was the Soviet Union who saved Europe. The US waited as long as they could before going in.

Davo3333 -> peterpierce24 28 Sep 2015 18:12

Such turnarounds have happened many times in the past and will happen again in the future. However Russia and China just have to stick together and that combination is too powerful for the US and will prevent the US from attacking more countries in the near future.

vr13vr -> beanosparty 28 Sep 2015 18:12

Why would this reduce the possibility of ISIS taking over Syria? Did ISIS agree to this plan? If anything, who do you think will lead the fight against ISIS if Assad steps down? No other figure from his government will be able to get enough of army support. And only 4 people in the "moderate rebels" camp are willing to fight ISIS.

But frankly, what exactly problem do we have with Assad? Why do we insist on his removal instead of fighting ISIS all together?

Willyvandamme -> sasha19 28 Sep 2015 18:10

As a Sufi and business man in Damascus told me earlier this month in the town Syria has around 30 religions, 60 or so sects and many minorities. It is this which saved Syria from the mightiest force ever assembled against one relative small country. This is the heart of the Arab world and the Middle East and the cradle of our civilization. Making the destruction of this by the West the biggest crime seen since WWII.

finnja -> WarlockScott 28 Sep 2015 18:09

Well, you are the one who started that game, now you complain I played it? How very American. Fact is, the US is responsible for more wars and related deaths post WWII than any other country world wide, and the logic of the US empire's interventions is 'those who do not submit to US supremacy must fall'. Given those facts, the US's invoking of international law and democracy whenever suitable, while itself flaunting those same values anytime it wants is highly hypocritical.
Why not have the balls to simply say 'We're the hegemon, submit worms! There are no rules but my wishes'. That would at least be honest. I don't even say Russia, China or whoever would act differently if one of them was the hegemon. But as it is the US is Empire, hegemon, prime bully and owner of military bases around the whole world. And the US's moral justifications for policies that are simply designed to further US geopolicical interests are a source of world wide amusement.

Particularly, because - except for Cheney, maybe - the US politicians actually seem to believe themselves. (Samantha Power's twitter account is particularly funny in this respect).

IanCPurdie 28 Sep 2015 18:09

I find stark differences between the Obama and Putin's speeches - read them and make up your own minds.

Hypocrisy screamed at me when making comparisons.

justanonlooker 28 Sep 2015 18:08

Hypocritical of Obama to criticise others for adopting a "might makes right" philosophy.

Shady Noaman -> RightWingNuts 28 Sep 2015 18:08

It's a shame. The people of America are hated because of the American Administration actions. I feel sorry for the American people.

robertthebruce2014 28 Sep 2015 18:06

Vladimir Putin, the Russian Jack Kennedy.

RunsWithBread 28 Sep 2015 18:11

Democracy. Not. Guardian heavily limits comments on its big articles. Instead it inserts 'Blair like' Spin

MaryMagdalane -> Johnnyw1 28 Sep 2015 17:59

Yes, it really makes me wonder why US and allies are so much focused on persons. They wanted to get rid of Iraqi and Libyan leaders and now insist on Assad's removal from power. They succeeded in first two cases and we witness the results of those glorious victories, but they never learn and now they are dead determined to topple Assad. It is good that this time someone says "enough is enough".

Lesm 28 Sep 2015 17:58

It takes a Herculean effort at strangled logic to reconcile the US demands, only regarding itself of course, that it has unrestricted sovereignty over what it wishes to do, either at home or anywhere around the world, and it's willingness on a daily basis to breach the national sovereignty of any other nation it chooses.

It is however ably assisted in this process by the Western Media, who regularly refer to the US demands for regime change in other countries without reference to the fact that such is a direct and serious breach of international law and the sovereignty of nations. They just assume that it is OK if it is the US making these demands and taking these actions, whereas if others choose to do so it raises wails of righteous indignation, not only from the US, but from the Western Press.

That is a mark of the overwhelming success of the propaganda system that it has become so internalised amongst our supposedly free press that it never raises even an eyebrow.

MTavernier -> Aguia 28 Sep 2015 17:58

Putin's wars!? Which ones are those?

Since Russia invaded Afghanistan (1979-1989), it has been in a never-ending series of wars, both foreign and internal:

Transnistria (1992), Ossetia (1992), Tajikistan (1992-1997), Georgia (1993), Chechnya (1994-1996), Dagestan (1999), Chechnya again (1999-2009), Georgia again (2008), North Caucasus (2009- ), and now Ukraine (2014- ).

Whatever Russia is, it isn't the sparkling-eyed innocent.

Roman Bolshakov -> MauditFrancais1979 28 Sep 2015 17:53

Who has given you permission to speak on behalf of Russian citizens? There're no good alternatives to Putin right now. Also majority of senior people (40+) voted for him, including my parents and grand parents.

If you want to change a regime do it in your country please.

Abiesalba Popeyes 28 Sep 2015 17:57

We all know that the US with its obedient poodle the UK has been in recent decades BY FAR the most dangerous state in the world.


desconocido -> phconnell 28 Sep 2015 17:55

The weapons of these rebels are all Russian, not western

I think the US has acknowledged that it provides Russian made weapons in Syria (easier to maintain etc) and that a lot have been picked up by ISIS.

Abiesalba -> lostinpa 28 Sep 2015 17:53

I'll say no more

Really you should also say about 500,000 dead Iraqi civilians as a consequence. And their totally demolished homeland where people do not even have electicity and running water anymore.

Since the UK has twice as many inhabitants as Iraq, this is equivalent to Iraq occupying the UK just like that, for fun, causing ONE MILLION dead Brits along they way.

Now, I wonder what those Brits sneering at Putin would think about Iraq or Russia causing 1 million dead Brits just like that, for no reason whatsoever.

peterpierce24 -> laticsfanfromeurope 28 Sep 2015 17:52

Indeed. Putin basically proposes to defeat extremists of all sorts on ground, and in parallel start a political process where people of Syria would decide on their political leadership. I suppose that if Isis will be defeated by coalition where Assad is one of key figures then he will be seen by Syrian people as a true leader. It's something like was done in Chechnya.

impartial12 -> NoSense 28 Sep 2015 17:52

The people who protested against Assad during the Arab Spring were the Sunni majority who simply wanted the freedoms people like us take for granted. What is wrong to take their side and see that this madman is properly removed? What I don't understand is how Russia can assist such a man in slaughtering the people of his own country. ISIS was able to grow because this oppression of the Sunnis by a minority was ignored for such a long time.


MaryMagdalane -> budgie2356 28 Sep 2015 17:51

I don't think US or West in general give a damn about their war victims. The only thing which matters to them is their own geopolitical interests.

Popeyes 28 Sep 2015 17:51

It seems that Putin has called time out on the U.S and its allies for the jihadist terrorism in Syria. It seems they were more intent on regime change than defeating IS and were complicit in arms and money transfers to the jihadists. The problem we have is that we all know what happens when the U.S. embarks on regime chase, you just have to look at Iraq and Libya. Total chaos.

originalcommie 28 Sep 2015 17:49

We support the military dictatorship in Egypt, so I don't see why we cannot keep Assad. The devil you know.

vr13vr -> Alderbaran 28 Sep 2015 17:49

I'm worried. But from the most current dynamic, it looks like Russia is the one that calls for cooperated action against ISIS while the US just stuck with the "remove Assad" condition and refuses to look at any other solutions, which makes it the party that is most concern about the cold war rivalry rather than achieving any common progress.

Quetzalcoatl14 -> Patlogan34 28 Sep 2015 17:46

The problem is most Americans, especially liberals, still support Obama no matter what. Many liberals abroad too.

WarlockScott -> laticsfanfromeurope 28 Sep 2015 17:46

Well yeah I guess if you consider kill 'em all and let their god sort 'em out to be a strategy

NoSense 28 Sep 2015 17:46

There may be an endless debate about the facts, who did what, but as a matter of principle the positions of the sides are as follows:

  • OBAMA: we, and our allies, are the good guys. Although imperfect, we are democratic, free and, overall, rightness nations. We will be fighting the bad guys and those who stand on our way. If the UN disagrees, we'll go on nevertheless.
  • PUTIN: no one is exceptional, the UN and international law must be observed even if this means compromises with people you don't like. Sovereignty must be respected, therefore, no one but the people of this country must decide their own destiny.

Frankly, if the US keep moving the way they do, this generation will see the fall of this great nation.

Abiesalba -> Ernekid 28 Sep 2015 17:45

"How can I be a gangster if I worked for the KGB?"
The Russian for Irony is Ирония

Putin has a very long way to go to match the destruction and deaths caused by the glorious heroic US/UK duo who have been beyond any doubt BY FAR the most dangerous world 'power' in recent decades.

Eh, only some 500,000 dead Iraqi civilians on the US/UK watch after they ILLEGALLY occupied Iraq. And the reason that we do not even know how many Iraqi deaths there were is because the heroic US/UK duo did not even care enough about those inferior Iraqis to COUNT their dead bodies. While they were absolutely hysterical about each and every US/UK soldier who died in Iraq!!!

desconocido -> Jiri 28 Sep 2015 17:44

The US can destroy both Assad and ISIS as was done successfully in Libya.

I've just realized this was irony.

HollyOldDog -> Omniscience 28 Sep 2015 17:44

Poor Vietnam they beat the USA into submission then descended into raping their valuable land to produce cheap coffee beans for Nescafé. The production is so unregulated that vast swathes of virgin forest are being ripped asunder and many unique varieties of fauna and flora are being destroyed.

Que the headline on Tuesday February 07 2012 in Commondeams.org

Monsanto, the Agent a Orange creator returns to Vietnam.

Ready to sell its crops and weed-killing chemicals to Vietnam: many outraged.

The article explains more and here is enough info for others to discover it.


Sin_Signalling -> MTavernier 28 Sep 2015 17:44

"If the West failed in Iraq, certainly Russia will fail in Iraq and Syria."

Let's see - they have far more at stake than they did in Afghanistan and they certainly have all the weapons they need to do the job.


foolisholdman -> WarlockScott 28 Sep 2015 17:43

WarlockScott > Joan Grogan

So what is Putin creating in Ukraine then? What did he create in Chechnya, wasn't the Boston marathon guy Chechen...yes, yes he was.

Why blame Putin for either situation? The Chechen war was against Islamic fundamentalists allied to Al Qaida, and we all know who set that up. You can criticise his tactics but you can't blame the war on him.

Likewise, in Ukraine it was an NED/CIA operation from the start.

As someone above pointed out the Russians warned the US authorities about the Boston bombers but were ignored. I wonder why? Could it be that the Security Industry LIKES terrorists? Nobody else does, they do no good to anyone except the Security Industry and the SI seems to be rather butter-fingered when it comes to stopping them.

lostinpa 28 Sep 2015 17:42

remember Weapons of mass destruction!
I'll say no more


MiniMo -> Eddy Ridgeway 28 Sep 2015 17:40

The West's lack of morality is not limited to the ME, and its lack of morality is people's problems across every continent, directly and indirect!y.


Quaestio -> JudeUSA 28 Sep 2015 17:39

Boston bombing was a false flag operation. You know, like "terrorist attack" that CIA later admitted were part of their Operation Gladio. At the time we didn't know. One called it "special war" or "mass manipulation. It's all over the internet these days.

Serge Tankian 28 Sep 2015 17:39

Can Putin form an anti-terrorist coalition with a country that has been financing, arming and inspiring ISIS the last few years? I doubt it. A series of fuckups has led the U.S. ME policy to the grinding halt Obama is now facing.


europeangrayling -> MonotonousLanguor 28 Sep 2015 17:39

Yup and Saudi Arabia is killing Yemeni mostly Shia civilians from the air every day with billions of US bombs and weaponry, and also literally and directly helping and fighting on the side of Al Qaida in Yemen, yet not a word from Obama and the US government, and if they say something it is 100% support for our 'ally' Saudi Arabia.
And then there is all the some 2-3,000 innocent civilians that Obama's drone strikes killed as well in Yemen and Pakistan and Afghanistan, and he will say it was all accidental but I don't think the 3,000 dead women, men and kids and families really care. And then there's Iraq and Libya of course like you said.
I don't know how some of these US government officials and media people can keep a straight face when they say this stuff man.


Sin_Signalling -> Arthur_Strongthatch 28 Sep 2015 17:40

Russia - this is a battle of survival and in terms of our self-interest then Russia is clearly the lesser of the 2 evils.


laticsfanfromeurope 28 Sep 2015 17:39

Obama: Words, words, empty words but no strategy to defeta ISIS.

Putin: A clear strategy to defeat ISIS

RightWingNuts 28 Sep 2015 17:39

The hypocrisy of the US, what have they been doing since the end of WWII but using their might across the world and mainly Middle East, promised so much Obama and delivered so little. No wonder the US is hated so much.

Joseph Rozen -> SonnyTuckson 28 Sep 2015 17:37

Where on earth do you get your facts and figures from?? Are you at all aware of the carnage perpetrated by Western trained armed and supplied fundamentalist forces., IS etc? Your views and opinions are a matter for you of course, but your ignorance is absolutely embarrassing.

Lunora -> NeuLabour 28 Sep 2015 17:37

The obvious problem with that is it has proven extremely difficult to locate moderate rebels in Syria.

Lesm 28 Sep 2015 17:31

It is interesting to note that the doctrinal system is functioning well in Washington. That system requires that all actions "we" take are clothed in righteousness and all comparable actions taken by "others" are clothed in ignominy and infamy. So to take Obama seriously we would need to have the UN condemn the illegal invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq and the illegal bombing of Syria, Libya, the Sudan, Yugoslavia and several lesser countries (in very recent times) and a litany of other countries over the last seventy years. But the doctrinal system requires us to plunge these manifold instances of the 'might makes right' approach down the memory hole to enable us to take the high moral ground at the UN, which we in effect control through our ability, and willingness, to withhold funding unless it does what we say.

It must be only with supreme effort that the rest of the world gathered there can hold a straight face whilst the greatest practitioner in history of the "might makes right" doctrine lectures the rest of us about the unacceptability of this doctrine, when practiced by anyone other than the righteous and exceptional US of A..


foolisholdman -> TruthCounts 28 Sep 2015 17:26

TruthCounts

"Putin showed no sign of willingness to compromise on Assad's fate."

Eh? I don't hear any willingness to compromise from the west either.

I don't imagine he or any head of state with his brains intact, is likely to compromise on that sort of proposition!
Once allow that Obama and Cameron are entitled to say who runs Syria and "Who is next?", becomes the burning question.

The whole idea is outrageous.


Belj14 -> MauditFrancais1979 28 Sep 2015 17:24

Not at all

The US has tried to provoke Russia but Russia consistently says a good relationship with the US ans West is better for the world

Russia has said they will respond if attacked and will not make a preemptive strike


TheSouthernDandy -> TruthCounts 28 Sep 2015 17:24

Did you read the whole article?

"Obama's address was also an ode to the twin virtues of democracy and diplomacy, interwoven with admissions of when the US had fallen short of those ideals, in the invasion of Iraq, and the xenophobia that has risen to the surface in the nation's current political discourse."

Sin_Signalling 28 Sep 2015 17:23

If Russia destroys Islamic State then good for him and for the West.

The US are pathetically craven to the Saudis for far too long and their pathetic dependence on Oil has prevented them from doing what they should have done a long time ago.


Johnny -> Kent Pannalu 28 Sep 2015 17:23

Anybody agree how arrogant and devoid of logic Obamas's speech was? he is well past sell-by date as president.

jboy606 -> sasha19 28 Sep 2015 17:22

The root of all this mess goes back to when the first civilisations formed. Man is a greedy, nasty, violent, lazy species. War is part of who we are. We won't be here for ever though, so maybe the next creature to evolve is a little bit more.... Civilised.


peterpierce24 28 Sep 2015 17:22


Putin is very consistent throughout the years on Syria and his position stays the same in spite on sanctions. I can see no changes in his stance at all. Meanwhile his today speech is a continuation of his spech in Munich in 2007. Also, no changes, as far as I can see. Putin is still anti-american and now he turns to the Far East and, also returns to Middle east. These pro-Eastern developments seem the only significant change in Putin's politics so far.

finnja -> Valois1588 28 Sep 2015 17:22

Funny that pretty much nobody fled Assad prior to ISIS.


Sam Ahmed -> racole 28 Sep 2015 17:21

YOUR US IS FIXING OUR PROBLEMS?? It is your country that has backed these ISIS fiends willingly. At least here in the GB we've slowed down much of the attack initiative proposed by our government. Yes our country's government has a lap dog mentality towards the US,but we as the people here have helped by demanding more peaceful resolutions. Hell our country is also the number 1 financer for the support for the refugees, while the US HAS FINANCED ISIS. Don't tell us that you are fixing our problems, because the US is the nation that has poked every bear in the ME, wilfully I might add.

Koenig_Dominik -> Valois1588 28 Sep 2015 17:21

The same America that shot down Iran Air Flight 655 and never bothered to appologise? Yeah, they get to be picky towards Russia.

Joseph Rozen -> Valois1588 28 Sep 2015 17:20

What Infantile nonsense! you people posting this crap have no dignity or self respect do you? What were the 'allies' dropping on Iraqi and Libyan cities and towns? What are the Saudis dropping on Yemenis? Do you remember the cluster bombs? phosphorous munitions, DU ordnance? Surly, there must be some limit to such hypocrisy!

finnja -> Alderbaran 28 Sep 2015 17:32

How much Syrian territory does the non-ISIS, non Al-Nusra, non Al-Quaeda, non-jihadist moderate opposition hold currently?

dalan66 28 Sep 2015 17:32

Might is right ... Is the basis for American "exeptionalism" and the pathological need to own the world. Anyone who stands against this unprecedented act of imperial aggression deserves our support.
Go putin!

Peter Sembol -> Doug_Niedermeyer 28 Sep 2015 17:15

You can rest assured that Russians are very proud of their president right now. They can not imagine to have someone more shrewd and experienced them him at the helm, and I believe they are right. Nobody fights for Russia's wellbeing better than Putin, and the West knows it. And for that reason West hates him. Notice I say 'West' not the 'world' as the West and their propaganda pushers would like you to believe.

Belj14 28 Sep 2015 17:14

Obama overlooks the terrible harm done to Syria resulting from US backing 'rebels' against the wishes of a very large number of Syrians.

Also ironic the way he talks about democracy, while dictating about Government in Syria and after the horrendous damage caused by illegal US intervention in Iraq,Libya, Ukraine and Syria - all of which subjected to US self-interested regime change agenda.

BrainDrain59 -> racole 28 Sep 2015 17:09

I agree with most of your post except "Syria's civil war was not sponsored by the US." That is less a civil war than an invasion by Islamist extremists, backed mainly by Saudi Arabia and Qatar. Two allies of the US who would not do so w/o US permission. Belligerent US language re Syria for years now, how can you miss this?

Solongmariane 28 Sep 2015 17:06

13 years ago, the NATO coalition led by Washington repelled the Talibans from Kunduz (Afghanistan). After years of NATO & US occupation, 4 or 5.000 deaths, many Bln $ spent...today, the Talibans retaked Kunduz. Like Irak, like Lybia, Washington made the wrong decisions. Why should we listen to the US solution for Syria. They have no solutions, just many bombs. Their credit is down.


PotholeKid -> stevekeenan1 28 Sep 2015 17:05

Lavrov has in the past stated that Russia does not want to see Syria turned into another Lybia... Which I suppose means total destruction by the west.

Willyvandamme 28 Sep 2015 16:58

Syria has been facing the biggest force trying to destroy another country in history. It included the whole of NATO with Turkey, the UK, the US and France, Japan, Australia, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Israel, Jordan and Qatar. They did send to this country, the cradle of our civilization, tens of thousands of the worst criminals on earth. Still after 4,5 years of continuing war Syria is still not defeated. Proven the people of Syria and its government are strong, stronger that these colonial powers ever could imagine.

finnja WarlockScott 28 Sep 2015 16:56

9/11 does not excuse anything. Particularly not that the Pentagon now supports Al Quaeda in Syria. The US acknoledged a regime in Ukraine that was swept into power via a coup - because the head of government had fled. Ironically when the same happened in Yemen, the US fell over themselves stressing that the head of government who had fled was still legitimate. Oh the hypocrisy.


[Sep 28, 2015] What Oil Investors 4Can Learn From Gold By Michael McDonald

I think the oil is not gold. And the mechanism of over-producing oil despite low prices is based on the fact that most companies and oil producing countries are in debt, sometimes crushing debt like in case of shale companies, Venezuela, etc. Gold is used in industry but mainly serves as the store of wealth. Oil is lifeblood of the modern civilization. If we assume that 'oli glut" is the problem most new projects are being suspended or cancelled while assets are also sold off. Capital spending is shrinking. Debt is rising. International oil companies are now are under threat in countries were they operate. Business climate could be darkening. Casino capitalism can't manipulate price of resources such as oil for long.
OilPrice.com

The worldwide printing of virtual money through quantitative easing was supposed to keep inflating gold's price. Even after the commodity collapsed in value, numerous commentators and groups predicted that it was temporary, and many said that, with the fall in price, demand would surge leading to a sharp rebound within a few months. There was even talk about various industry organizations failing to properly report supply and demand numbers thus keeping the markets misinformed and prices low. Now though, more than two years on from that drop, nothing close to those predictions has materialized, and investors are still licking their wounds.

This is not a story about gold though. It's a story about oil. The truth of the matter is that gold is largely an irrelevant commodity compared with oil. Oil is the basis for dozens of countries' economies around the world and for thousands of major companies' existence. None of that matters though. The other truth, and the less pleasant one, is that there are stark parallels between what happened to gold a few years ago and what is happening to oil today.

... ... ...

In the cases of both gold and oil, frothy price levels led to large increases in production over the course of a decade and unorthodox sources of supply started to be exploited. Despite the rising supply and only slow growth in demand, prices continued to rise. After a while, both gold and oil stabilized and spent time consolidating and then, just as gold fell, oil too collapsed in price.

Now roughly a year after the first big shocks started to hit the oil market, suppliers have responded in earnest. But just as with gold, simply cutting supplies a bit and having a few weak producers go bankrupt will not lead to a rapid price rebound. Instead it is increasingly beginning to look like oil prices will remain subdued at well less than a $100 a barrel for years to come.

Perhaps oil prices will come back and the parallels with gold will end here, but that's probably too optimistic. Most of the same basic economic forces that impact gold are equally valid with oil. Investors need to be prepared for the reality that it may take a decade or more for oil to return to $100 a barrel. That does not mean that oil companies will all go out of business or that investing in energy stocks cannot be profitable.

[Sep 28, 2015] Exuberance and Disappoin4tment at Shell's About-Face in the Arctic

Looks like Shell wants to wait out the period of low oil prices, cutting investments to bare minimum.
"... More than half of the state's $5.2 billion this year could not be collected, forcing budget cuts and a deep dive into a state savings account. ..."
Sep 28, 2015 | The New York Times

In Alaska, Shell's announcement that it would suspend drilling in the Chukchi Sea after a test well showed less promise than hoped for was one more blow to a state where energy-tax revenues - which pay for most of the budget - are drying up as prices and production have fallen. More than half of the state's $5.2 billion this year could not be collected, forcing budget cuts and a deep dive into a state savings account. The Trans-Alaska Pipeline that made the state rich after its completion in the 1970s is pumping only a quarter of its oil capacity.

"It's tough times," said Kara Moriarty, the president of the Alaska Oil and Gas Association, who said that rumors of layoffs in the next few weeks or months, in both the corporate offices of oil companies in Anchorage and in the drilling fields, were flying everywhere. "It's an incredibly sobering day," she added.

[Sep 28, 2015] Shell Exits Arctic as Oil Slump Forces Industry to Retrench

Sep 28, 2015 | The New York Times

As oil prices have continued their steady decline this year, rig after rig has been shut down, costing thousands of jobs in the United States. Yet major oil producers have been loath to pull the plug on their most ambitious projects - the multibillion-dollar investments that form the backbone of their operations.

Until now. On Monday, Royal Dutch Shell ended its expensive and fruitless nine-year effort to explore for oil in the Alaskan Arctic - a $7 billion investment - in another sign that the entire industry is trimming its ambitions in the wake of collapsing oil prices.

... ... ...

The industry has cut its investments by 20 percent this year and laid off at least 200,000 workers worldwide, roughly 5 percent of the total work force. Companies also have retreated from less profitable fields in places like the North Sea, West Africa, and some shale prospects in Louisiana and North Dakota.

American oil companies have decommissioned more than half of their drilling rigs over the last year, and production is beginning to drop in the United States...

... ... ...

With demand dwindling, the current market of 94 million barrels a day has roughly two million barrels in surplus supply.

Steve Projan

This decision was not based on the test results of a single well but the current glut of oil and its depressed price and renders the expensive to get arctic oil a poor investment, for now. But I'll bet that Shell isn't giving back its lease. The (short term) losers are the Alaskan citizens who are addicted to oil money that is rapidly running out (heavens these takers might actually have to pay taxes rather than getting a check from the government).

At least for today a modest, although probably short term, win for the environment.

rexl, phoenix, az. 1 hour ago

Just think what is going to happen when the price of oil goes back above one hundred dollars per barrel.


[Sep 28, 2015] Economic impo4rtance of China

"... China's import volumes of crude oil were up 9.8% y-o-y in 8m15, so the effect you're describing hasn't happened yet. ..."
"... I think the US oil production decline is mostly a domestic cycle, following earlier overinvestment, ..."
"... Debt now drives the globe – downward! The effects of decades of Keynesian deficit spending and central banking run amok are coming home to roost. ..."
"... US QEs went into the stock market and via the carry trade into EM debt. ..."
"... For example, gasoline and jet fuel demand in China were both up more than 20% in August year on year–absolutely a blow-out month. Oil demand was up an impressive 6.6%. Similarly, Nike saw fabulous results in China in the three months ended August, with sales there up more than 30%. http://www.bbc.com/news/business-34355627 All of these indicators directly contradict any notion of recession. ..."
"... India imports 100% of oil consumption. China imports 55-60% (?) of oil consumption. World oil supply per capita is no higher than in 2004-05 and where US oil production per capita was in the late 1970s, the onset of deindustrialization and financialization of the US economy. The world is where the US was in the late 1970s ..."
"... Given an ongoing, and inevitable, decline in production in the net oil exporting countries, unless the exporting countries cut their liquids consumption at the same rate as, or at a faster rate than, the rate of decline in production, the resulting rate of decline in net exports will exceed the rate of decline in production and the net export decline rate will accelerate with time. ..."
"... Here are China's commercial inventories, just for you. They are a solid 19 mb below normal for oil, and 27 mb below for all crude and product inventories taken together. ..."
Sep 28, 2015 | Econbrowser
U.S. exports of goods and services to China in 2014 were $167 billion, only about 1% of U.S. GDP. But U.S. investment in mining structures (explorations, shafts, and wells) amounted to $146B at an annual rate in 2014:Q4. By the second quarter of this year that number was down to $89B, largely a result of cutbacks in the U.S. oil patch. This means that in the absence of offsetting gains elsewhere, this development alone has already subtracted about 0.3% from U.S. GDP.

Of course, lower commodity prices will force layoffs for oil companies and miners but leave more money in the hands of consumers. However, additional spending from that channel has been more modest than many of us were anticipating.


Tom Warner, September 27, 2015 at 1:22 pm

China's import volumes of crude oil were up 9.8% y-o-y in 8m15, so the effect you're describing hasn't happened yet.

I think the US oil production decline is mostly a domestic cycle, following earlier overinvestment, which was to some extent driven by wrong hopes that the Saudis would accommodate higher US output by cutting theirs. The global knock-on effects are mainly among oil producers, many of which didn't pass on the oil price drop to their domestic consumers, and many of which have reacted to falling oil prices by increasing their net energy exports.

But the general tone of caution about China I agree with. The main effect from China globally has been to reduce prices of building materials and metals, especially iron ore.

BC, September 27, 2015 at 5:58 pm

Tom, WRT to China's oil imports, take a look at China's oil production, consumption, imports as a share of consumption, net imports of oil, the extent to which China is storing/hoarding oil as a share of consumption, and electricity consumption, and the aggregate suggests that the Chinese economy is growing at a fraction of the reported 7% real rate.

JBH, September 28, 2015 at 9:03 am

Tom: The main effect from China has been to wreak havoc on EM economies. Simultaneous with the reversal of the US dollar carry trade, this has caused an increasing number of EMs to tilt toward recession. EMs (ex China) have the largest ppt contribution to global growth this recovery.

When the locomotive slows, the train slows. EM currencies are plunging. To support them, monetary policies are being tightened. Much EM corporate and sovereign debt is denominated in dollars. Hence the need to support currencies to service debt and stave off default.

Debt now drives the globe – downward! The effects of decades of Keynesian deficit spending and central banking run amok are coming home to roost. Since 2014:Q1, the net export contribution to real GDP has been minus 0.6%. Another leg down coming. The daisy-chain from EMs to the US is multi-stemmed real and financial. Growing fissures in the financial system are the worry. US QEs went into the stock market and via the carry trade into EM debt. All this is unwinding, as it was always going to. Promises to become known the Great Unwind.

BC, September 27, 2015 at 1:23 pm

What must be understood is that China's "miracle" was not an organic process but one "made in the USA" (and in part Japan), in that US supranational firms have invested (via offshoring in search of labor arbitrage) trillions of dollars since the 1980s-90s, resulting in a scale and rate of growth per capita in China that otherwise would not have occurred.

US and Japanese FDI peaked in 2011-13 and began contracting in the past year or so, not coincidentally when China's "exports" (largely from US and Japanese firms' production of components, intermediate goods, and finished goods) and goods-producing sectors began to contract.

Since 2013, China's labor force has been contracting. Along with reported wage growth, contracting production, M1 and M2 growing 9-13%, and money supply at ~195-200% of GDP, China's productivity is growing no faster than ~1%. Then, at a population growth rate of 0.5%, in aggregate, China's real potential GDP per capita hereafter is effectively 0%, which is the post-2007 average trend rate (new normal of secular stagnation) for the US, EZ, and Japan.

This outcome was never in doubt, as it was implied by the precedent of the middle-income trap, excessive debt to GDP, and the demographic drag effects China is now experiencing, as is occurring for the countries that make up 70-75% of world GDP.

Moreover, under these conditions, it should be no surprise that growth of trade has peaked and begun contracting, as the US-China "trade" flows made up the largest share of global "trade" for what I refer to as the Anglo-American imperial trade regime, which is not unlike that of Britain from the 1870s-80s to WW I.

Now with the onset of the cumulative, self-reinforcing effects of Peak Oil, record debt to GDP coinciding with unprecedented asset bubbles to GDP, hyper-financialization of the economy (net flows to the financial sector absorbing all output), population overshoot, climate change, low labor share, decelerating productivity, extreme wealth and income inequality, decelerating money velocity, and fiscal constraints, the world faces the new normal/neutral of global secular stagnation, which is likely to be further entrained by another global deflationary recession and bear market possibly underway.

Tweaking tax, fiscal, and monetary policies under the foregoing conditions will make little difference. The assumptions and policies that were deemed appropriate during the inflationary and reflationary regimes of the Long Wave will be rendered ineffective or irrelevant during the current debt-deflationary regime. The primary causes of the malaise are demographics, low labor share, too much debt, overvalued assets hoarded by the top 1-10% at zero velocity, and extreme inequality exacerbating the effects on capital formation and productivity (and growth of profits) from low labor share and excessive debt.

Until debt is forgiven sufficiently and labor share/purchasing power increases (by higher wages or lower or no regressive taxation on earned income) for the bottom 80-90%, the secular stagnation will persist and its effects worsen until a crisis that risks the collapse of the mass-consumer economy and of the institutions that depend on growth of the economy per capita.

It's "different this time", but apparently most eCONomists don't know it, don't know why it's different and the implications, or they aren't paid to tell us.

Steven Kopits, September 27, 2015 at 3:06 pm

For those interested, please find the first edition of my China Tracker here: http://www.prienga.com/blog/2015/9/27/china-tracker-sept-2015

The evidence suggests that China most likely has been suffering the side-effects of an over-valued yuan since Q3 2014. Such a situation would benefit importers and consumers and hurt exporters and producers. And it has.

For example, gasoline and jet fuel demand in China were both up more than 20% in August year on year–absolutely a blow-out month. Oil demand was up an impressive 6.6%. Similarly, Nike saw fabulous results in China in the three months ended August, with sales there up more than 30%. http://www.bbc.com/news/business-34355627 All of these indicators directly contradict any notion of recession.

On the other hand, the Chinese have resisted devaluing the yuan in line with the won, yen or Euro, and so China's competitiveness has substantially eroded, and that's clearly visible in capital flows, exports, and industrial production. In principle, if China devalues, the demand for Nikes and oil should ease off a bit, and exporters should be revitalized.

I would add that China's private debt-to-GDP ratio is very high, indeed, at levels associated with financial crisis in many other countries historically. However, the proximate issue in China is the exchange rate. We would get a better sense of the state of the underlying economy once that issue is addressed.

Find more in the Tracker.

BC, September 28, 2015 at 6:49 am

Jeffrey, I suspect that the "Limits to Growth" (LTG) to global real GDP per capita from Peak Oil, falling GNE, population overshoot, etc., will force a decline in demand for oil imports in China and India as trade slumps and real GDP per capita decelerates to 0%.

India imports 100% of oil consumption. China imports 55-60% (?) of oil consumption. World oil supply per capita is no higher than in 2004-05 and where US oil production per capita was in the late 1970s, the onset of deindustrialization and financialization of the US economy. The world is where the US was in the late 1970s, i.e., peak industrialization. India is 40-45 to 80+ years too late to industrialization, and China's growth has peaked and will decelerate to ~0% real per capita.

The oil/commodities cycle is contracting, implying $20-$30 oil in the years ahead.

That fits with the ongoing decline per capita for US oil production (now at the level of the late 1940s) as the log-linear US oil depletion regime inexorably continues. Despite the fastest 5- and 9-year rates of US oil production since 1927-30, the shale boom/bubble is but a blip for the long-term US oil depletion regime per capita.

At the long-term trend rate of US oil depletion, US oil production per capita will have declined by 50% since 1970 by no later than the early 2020s; however, the 50% threshold could occur sooner were another global deflationary recession to occur, which appears increasingly likely. In fact, as little as a decline in US oil production to 8-8.2Mbd in the next 3-5 years will achieve the 50% decline per capita. I suspect that we will see the 50% per-capita threshold exceeded before 2020.

And we know what the implications are for when the US reaches and sustains 50% oil depletion per capita. The structural effects have already begun to occur with real GDP per capita since 2007-08 averaging barely faster than ~0% for the US, EZ, and Japan, and now for China's real potential GDP. No amount of QE, ZIRP in perpetuity, and unprecedented asset bubbles can reverse the inexorable US depletion regime and its effects of real GDP per capita.

Neither will wind and solar (renewable energy or RE) make much of a difference during the remaining oil depletion regime's descent. In fact, growth of wind and solar has likely peaked with the price of oil and will follow the oil cycle into negative growth in the years ahead. In effect, given Peak Oil and LTG, we cannot afford to grow real GDP per capita AND build out RE to necessary scale AND maintain the fossil fuel infrastructure indefinitely hereafter. Something has to give and it will be growth of real GDP per capita and the RE build-out.

As a result, we are likely to experience a last-man-standing contest between the West and China for the world's remaining vital resources of finite planet Earth.

Jeffrey J. Brown, September 28, 2015 at 4:15 am

Through 2013 we have seen a post-2005 decline in what I define as Global Net Exports of oil (GNE, the combined net exports from the Top 33 net exporters in 2005), which is a pattern that appears to have continued in 2014 (complete data not yet available from EIA). GNE fell from 46 MMBPD (million barrels per day) in 2005 to 43 MMBPD in 2013 (total petroleum liquids + other liquids). The volume of GNE available to importers other than China & India fell from 41 MMBPD in 2005 to 34 MMBPD in 2013.

Here are the mathematical facts of life regarding net exports:

Given an ongoing, and inevitable, decline in production in the net oil exporting countries, unless the exporting countries cut their liquids consumption at the same rate as, or at a faster rate than, the rate of decline in production, the resulting rate of decline in net exports will exceed the rate of decline in production and the net export decline rate will accelerate with time.

In addition, given an ongoing, and inevitable, decline in GNE, unless China & India cut their net oil imports at the same rate as, or at a rate faster than, the rate of decline in GNE, the rate of decline in the volume of GNE available to importers other than China & India will exceed the rate of decline in GNE, and the rate of decline in the volume of GNE available to importers other than China & India will accelerate with time.

For example, from 2005 to 2013 the rate of decline in the volume of GNE available to importers other than China & India (2.3%/year) was almost three times the observed rate of decline in GNE from 2005 to 2013 (0.8%/year).

Jeffrey J. Brown September 28, 2015 at 3:48 pm

Minor correction: In 2013, India's total petroleum liquids production + other liquids production was 25% of total liquids consumption, China's was 42%.

Jeffrey J. Brown September 28, 2015 at 6:57 am

Interesting article on Saudi Arabia:

The collapse of Saudi Arabia is inevitable

http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/collapse-saudi-arabia-inevitable-1895380679

Steven Kopits September 28, 2015 at 12:23 pm

Here's a bit I wrote on oil prices and Arab unrest. Interestingly, unrest seems more correlated with high oil prices, rather than low prices.

Keep in mind, the Saudi fiscal model went to hell after 1983, and particularly after the big oil price drop from Feb. 1986–and this at a time when they were pumping only 3 mbpd. And yet the monarchy survived.

It's not entirely clear that low oil prices lead to revolution.

http://www.prienga.com/blog/2014/12/1/arab-unrest-linked-to-oil-price-spikes-not-price-collapses

And by the way (speaking of being quoted), I should be on NPR's Marketplace again tonight.

Steven Kopits September 28, 2015 at 7:32 am

Do you ever have a cheery day, BC?

Here are China's commercial inventories, just for you. They are a solid 19 mb below normal for oil, and 27 mb below for all crude and product inventories taken together.

BC September 28, 2015 at 1:08 pm

Thanks, Steven, but what's "normal" WRT inventories going forward? Do your data account for tanker oil storage?

China's demand growth is set to slow to an annual rate of 2.3 percent by the fourth quarter compared with 5.6 percent in the second quarter, a reflection of "weak car sales data, declines in industrial activity, plummeting property prices and fragile electricity output," the IEA said in a report on Sept. 11.

What if "normal" for 2011-14 is well above the trend rate of growth of demand hereafter?

What is the source of your data? Thanks.

Cheers!

Ricardo September 28, 2015 at 4:56 am

The Professor wrote:

"I've long believed that to understand business cycles we need to consider not just net flows but also gross interdependencies. A downturn in China will affect some businesses much more than others. If specialized labor and capital do not easily move to other sectors, that can end up having significant multiplier effects.

Professor,

Thank you once again for a bit of reason in your analysis. Krugman as the leaders of the far-left Progressive economists leads so many astray with his ultra-aggregate economics.

Excellent article!

Steven Kopits September 28, 2015 at 8:36 am

"Demand out of China [for Apple iPhone 6s] looks white-hot," Ives said.

http://news.yahoo.com/apple-reports-record-sales-iphone-6-6s-plus-124914752–finance.html

Doesn't really scream recession, does it. It sure screams over-valued currency, though.

[Sep 27, 2015] Yay for Irredentism! Victoria Nuland Promises Yaltas Return to Ukraine

Sep 27, 2015 | sputniknews.com

Speaking at the Yalta European Strategy forum in Kiev on Saturday, US Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland raised quite a stir among Ukraine's irredentist politicians, saying that the city of Yalta would one day return to Kiev's control.

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Nuland's remarks featured rhetoric on stopping Russian aggression, praise for the Ukrainian leadership's great successes in reforming Ukraine's economy and tackling corruption, and promises that the US would continue to assist Ukraine, including its armed forces.

"You have stopped the Novorossiya project in its tracks, stabilized the financial system and created a new police force…Many challenges remain ahead. There will be losses in the fight against corruption. But there should be no tolerance for the oligarchs," Nuland noted, cited by Ukrainian newspaper LB.ua. "We are providing Ukraine with continuous assistance. The United States, more than any other country, has supported the Ukrainian army. This is part of the reason why Ukraine has been able to stop the offensive in the east."

But the remarks which caused the most excitement among Ukrainian officials and foreign hawks alike was a statement Nuland made at the beginning of her speech about the Yalta European Strategy forum one day returning to its home city of Yalta, Russia.

The forum's official Twitter account proudly tweeted the statement, reading "#victorianuland one day you will return to that great #Ukrainian city #Yalta" and "#victorianuland happy you didn't change name of this conference – it is the Yalta European Strategy conference."

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Nuland's commentary kept up with the vaguely belligerent and occasionally downright absurd tone of the conference, with speakers bragging about the important successes of Ukraine has seen in its programs of economic and anti-corruption reforms, ramping up the rhetoric about Russian aggression, calling on Moscow to free suspected murderer Nadiya Savchenko, etc.

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Founded by Ukrainian oligarch Viktor Pinchuk in 2004, the Yalta European Strategy forum has served to promote Ukraine's membership in the European Union, featuring high-level talks between Ukrainian and EU officials.

[Sep 27, 2015] Analysis – EU 'ring of friends' turns into ring of fire

"... The European Union's dream of building "a ring of friends" from the Caucasus to the Sahara has turned into a nightmare as conflicts beyond its borders send refugees teeming into Europe. ..."
"... Ian Bond, a former British ambassador now at the Centre for European Reform, called the current policy a "mess of inconsistency and wishful thinking". .. ..."
"... "In contrast to the success of its eastward enlargement drive that transformed former communist countries into thriving market democracies, the European Neighbourhood Policy launched in 2003 has been a spectacular flop…" ..."
Sep 27, 2015 | marknesop.wordpress.com
et Al, September 27, 2015 at 2:41 am

Neuters: Analysis – EU 'ring of friends' turns into ring of fire
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/09/27/uk-europe-migrants-neighbourhood-analysi-idUKKCN0RR09820150927?

The European Union's dream of building "a ring of friends" from the Caucasus to the Sahara has turned into a nightmare as conflicts beyond its borders send refugees teeming into Europe.

In contrast to the success of its eastward enlargement drive that transformed former communist countries into thriving market democracies, the European Neighbourhood Policy launched in 2003 has been a spectacular flop…

…The failure to stabilise or democratise the EU's surroundings was partly due to forces beyond Brussels' control: Russian resentment over the collapse of the Soviet Union, as well as political and sectarian strife in the Middle East.

Five of the six Eastern Partnership countries – Ukraine, Moldova, Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan – are weakened by unresolved "frozen conflicts" in which Moscow has a hand. The sixth, Belarus, is so authoritarian that it is subject to EU sanctions and has eschewed the offer of a free trade deal.

EU officials now acknowledge that the framework designed to engage and transform the bloc's neighbours was flawed from the outset due to a mixture of arrogance and naivety.

"The idea was to have a ring of friends who would integrate with us but not become EU members. That was rather patronizing, with the European Union telling everyone what to do because we believed they wanted to be like us," said Christian Danielsson, head of the European Commission department for neighborhood policy and enlargement.

…Now the EU neighborhood policy is undergoing a fundamental rethink, with a more modest, flexible and differentiated approach due to be unveiled on Nov. 17.

Whether it will prove more effective remains to be seen.

Ian Bond, a former British ambassador now at the Centre for European Reform, called the current policy a "mess of inconsistency and wishful thinking". ..

…EU officials talk of the need for a new realism, putting the pursuit of common interests with partners ahead of lecturing them on human rights and democracy.

But the European Parliament and member states such as Germany and the Nordic countries will be loath to soft-pedal promoting such values….

…Michael Leigh, a senior adviser at the German Marshall Fund think-tank and former head of the EU's enlargement department, said Brussels had responded to the 2011 Arab Spring uprisings by offering a "top-heavy, long, cumbersome, demanding" DCFTA process rather than swift but limited market access. …

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Wise after the fact as usual. Too late mofos. For Stollenberg, its not the clever clever strategy being wrong, its always Russia. F/wit. I'm still waiting for van Rompuy to admit he has blood on his hands for the Ukraine.

What they allude to but don't make a point of is that they wholly dismissed Russia from their calculations as if it was just going to become the EU's cuddly toy, a larger version of Serbia. No mention either that Russia is 'part of the solution' and cooperation with Russia is essential.

It looks like some have got past anger and denial and have moved on to bargaining & depression.

marknesop, September 27, 2015 at 9:45 am
"In contrast to the success of its eastward enlargement drive that transformed former communist countries into thriving market democracies, the European Neighbourhood Policy launched in 2003 has been a spectacular flop…"

Umm…say what?? I thought we had already looked at the Baltics as examples, and determined their populations peaked just before the dissolution of the Soviet Union and their subsequent snatching by NATO, at which point they commenced a slide which was the mirror image of their ascent. Why are citizens fleeing a thriving market democracy?

I agree with your analysis – too late. However, the recent article linked which revealed Europe was just covering itself when it pretended to oppose the Gulf War has added another layer of cynicism to my hide, and I don't interpret this as the scales falling from anyone's eyes at all. They're not wiser, simply acknowledging that a ploy to get their own way did not work out as planned. There's no remorse, at all. They'll just try something else.

I particularly loved the line,

"The failure to stabilise or democratise the EU's surroundings was partly due to forces beyond Brussels' control: Russian resentment over the collapse of the Soviet Union, as well as political and sectarian strife in the Middle East."

I see. So the angst of Russians missing Stalin wafted in the air over the borders of Europe's neighbors, and caused them to make irrational decisions and, against all common sense, to bite the soft pink European hand extended to them? Let me ask another – is there to be no limit of silliness and self-pity beyond which Europe will not go?

[Sep 27, 2015] Is it too late to get the civil engineers in to change the plate on Yatsenyuk's door to "Saakashvili"?

"... "Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk, President Petro Poroshenko's chief of staff Borys Lozhkin and an ally of Interior Minister Arsen Avakov have been targeted by investigators and whistleblowers in Ukraine and abroad this week." ..."
Sep 27, 2015 | marknesop.wordpress.com

marknesop, September 26, 2015 at 10:30 pm

Oh, oh!! Is it too late to get the civil engineers in to change the plate on Yatsenyuk's door to "Saakashvili"?

http://www.kyivpost.com/content/kyiv-post-plus/yatsenyuk-allies-of-poroshenko-avakov-targeted-by-corruption-investigations-398743.html

Yeah, we're going to need a stronger Barcalounger. One with more width between the arms, too.

"Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk, President Petro Poroshenko's chief of staff Borys Lozhkin and an ally of Interior Minister Arsen Avakov have been targeted by investigators and whistleblowers in Ukraine and abroad this week."

yalensis, September 27, 2015 at 4:58 am
I like that boy, Oleg Sukhov. I don't agree with his political views, but I have to say, of all the "journalists" on KyivPost staff, he is maybe the only one who looks and smells like an actual journalist. He is a good muck-raker, and I think he has a future, even after Ukraine goes down the tubes.

[Sep 27, 2015] Putin's deceptive pause What are Russia's n4ext steps in Ukraine

"... Imperial Gamble: Putin, Ukraine and the New Cold War ..."
Sep 27, 2015 | www.brookings.edu

Sep 1, 2015 | Brookings Institution4

Ukraine is no longer the top priority for American diplomats. They are understandably absorbed with selling the Iran nuclear deal to a reluctant Congress. But, if Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov is to be believed, there are a number of senior officials who have also been sending signals to Russia suggesting that President Obama wants to turn a page and improve his frosty relations with President Vladimir Putin. "We are already getting such signals from the Americans," Lavrov said, "though for now not very clear." Would Russia be open to better relations? Russia, responded the foreign minister, would "consider constructively" any such possibility.

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Though Russia is not the Soviet Union, it still remains the boss of Eastern Europe. When it sneezes, as we have learned, Ukraine can catch a bad cold. These days, everything in and around Ukraine seems to be in what one journalist called "managed instability." Putin can bring the crisis closer to a possible solution or he can widen the war. Or, more simply, he can "freeze" it. The key question is: What does Putin have in mind? What are his plans, assuming that he has plans, and is not winging the crisis day by day?

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With respect to Ukraine, Putin's position is hardly ideal, but it is still manageable. He now owns Crimea and controls two rebellious provinces in the southeast Donbas region. He knows Ukraine faces the possibility of economic collapse, even though it has made some progress. The more it slips toward the abyss, the better his chances, he thinks, of keeping Ukraine out of the Western orbit, which has always been one of his principal goals. Putin has the assets to throw Ukraine into further chaos at any time.

Marvin Kalb is a nonresident senior fellow with the Foreign Policy program at Brookings, and senior advisor at the Pulitzer Center on Crisis Reporting. He focuses on the impact of media on public policy and politics, and is also an expert in national security, with a focus on U.S. relations with Russia, Europe and the Middle East. His new book, scheduled for September 2015 publication, is Imperial Gamble: Putin, Ukraine and the New Cold War (Brookings Institution Press, 2015).

[Sep 27, 2015] Meet The Man Who Prevented World War III

Sep 27, 2015 | Zero Hedge

Submitted by Erico Matias Tavares via Sinclair & Co.,

You may have never heard of Vasili Arkhipov. And yet life as we know it on this planet could have ended if it were not for his crucial intervention during the Cuban Missile Crisis.

Born in 1926, Arkhipov saw action as a minesweeper during the Soviet-Japanese war in August 1945. Two years later he graduated from the Caspian Higher Naval School, serving in the Black Sea and Baltic submarine fleets – just in time for the start of the Cold War, which would stay with him for the rest of his service.

... ... ...

Arkhipov was second-in-command in the nuclear-armed Foxtrot-class submarine B-59, part of a flotilla of four submarines protecting Soviet ships on their way to Cuba. On October 27, as they approached the US imposed quarantine line, US Navy ships in pursuit started dropping depth charges to force the B-59 to surface for identification – completely unaware that it was carrying nuclear weapons.

The explosions rocked the submarine which went dark except for emergency lights. With the air-conditioning down, temperature and carbon dioxide levels rose sharply. The crew was hardly able to breathe.

Unable to contact Moscow and under pressure from the Americans for several hours, Captain Valentin Savitsky finally lost his nerve. He assumed that war had broken out between the two countries and decided to launch a nuclear torpedo. He would not go down without a fight.

However, unlike the other submarines in the flotilla, the three officers onboard the B-59 had to agree unanimously to launch the nuclear torpedo. As the other officer sided with Savitsky, only Arkhipov stood in the way of launching World War III.

An argument broke out between the three, but Arkhipov was able to convince the Captain not to launch the torpedo. How was he able to prevail under such stressful conditions? He was actually in charge of the entire flotilla and as such was equal in rank to Savitsky. But the reputation he had gained during the K-19 incident may have been the decisive factor in convincing the other officers to abort the launch. That detail may have made all the difference.

The submarine eventually surfaced and awaited orders from Moscow, averting what would have been a nuclear holocaust. The Cuban Missile Crisis ended a few days later.

This crucial episode of the Cold War only became known to the West after the collapse of the Soviet Union many years later.

Arkhipov continued to serve in the Soviet Navy, commanding submarines and later submarine squadrons. He was promoted to rear admiral in 1975 and became head of the Kirov Naval Academy. In 1981, he was promoted to vice admiral, retiring a few years later. The radiation he was exposed to in the K-19 incident contributed to his death in 1998, at age 72.

It is frightening to ponder how closely the civilized world came to the brink of extinction. It was only a click away, with two out of three in favor.

It may not have been the only time either. Who knows how many more Soviet and American personnel played a decisive role in averting nuclear annihilation? One person can indeed change the fate of the world.

We should never let their stories be forgotten.

[Sep 27, 2015] Damage inflicted on the Soviet Union by delay of the invasion of France

A delay characterized by General Eisenhower as an act of betrayal
"... Most Americans have the delusion that the US is pure benevolence, an honorable country that is a moral example to the world. Gag me with a spoon. ..."
Sep 27, 2015 | marknesop.wordpress.com
Patient Observer, September 26, 2015 at 5:02 pm
Many would argue that active planning began for the Cold War by the West after a Soviet victory was certain (circa early 1943). The initial phase may have been to maximize damage to the Soviet Union by delay of the invasion of France (a delay characterized by General Eisenhower as an act of betrayal) among other things. Another major indicator that the Cold War was in full bloom prior to the end of hostilities was the nuclear attack on Japan which was intended to evaluate the effects of nuclear explosions on civilian cities for a future attacks (i.e. Soviet cities) and a warning to the Soviet Union that the US will commit mass murder against defenseless civilians.

The denial of reparations was yet another example that the West had nothing but hostility for the Soviets. Speaking of denials and breaking of promises, Vietnam was apparently promised reparations by the US but later reneged. Per Wikipedia:

"Following the war, Hanoi pursued the establishment of diplomatic relations with the United States, initially in order to obtain US$3.3 billion in reconstruction aid, which President Richard M. Nixon had secretly promised after the Paris Agreement was signed in 1973. … Barely two months after Hanoi's victory in 1975, Premier Pham Van Dong, speaking to the National Assembly, invited the United States to normalize relations with Vietnam and to honor its commitment to provide reconstruction funds. Representatives of two American banks-the Bank of America and First National City Bank-were invited to discuss trade possibilities, and American oil companies were informed that they were welcome to apply for concessions to search for oil in offshore Vietnamese waters.

Washington neglected Dong's call for normal relations, however, because it was predicated on reparations, and the Washington political climate in the wake of the war precluded the pursuit of such an outcome."

Most Americans have the delusion that the US is pure benevolence, an honorable country that is a moral example to the world. Gag me with a spoon.

[Sep 27, 2015] BBC anti-russian propaganda -- WWII German women rape story

"... During the Balkan wars of the 1990's both the Croatians and the Bosnian muslims, but not the Serbs, hired US public relations firms to 'manage' public perceptions of their activities. A guy who was a head honchos one of these PR firms was asked what aspects of the media campaigns he was most proud of and he replied that it was getting the influential Jewish lobby onside in the demonisation of the Serbs. ..."
"... I see the constant identification of Soviet soldiers with rape and other atrocities as part of this perception management culture. ..."
"... The reality is that rape, like other lawlessness, is an inevitable consequence of war and that all soldiers, Americans, British, French, German, Russians, committed these crimes. ..."
"... That is quite right. It is all about smear. But the claim of 2 million rapes is a gross exaggeration that has not a shred of evidence to back it up. The true figure is not even 10 time less, it is likely to be around 100 times less and in the same range as the western allies. ..."
"... Given the mass murder of civilians perpetrated by the Nazis, not collateral damage but actual rounding up and shooting or burning villagers in their own homes, why were the Soviet soldiers only worried about rape? If they were seeking revenge they would have been burning Germans alive. I have not heard of a single such instance. So the rape story is utter BS. ..."
Sep 27, 2015 | marknesop.wordpress.com
Warren, September 25, 2015 at 2:26 pm

http://www.rt.com/news/316518-bbc-wwii-rapist-monument/

Pavlo Svolochenko, September 25, 2015 at 2:49 pm

The BBC really should be treated as a terrorist organisation – or at least accorded the legal status of a paedophile ring.

Warren, September 25, 2015 at 3:04 pm

The BBC serves the British state, its mission is to disseminate propaganda that serves interests of the British state – it is a state broadcaster after all!

kirill, September 25, 2015 at 4:33 pm

So we are back to the tired rape trope. Where are the German abortion and murder records to prove that there 2 million rapes? I can claim the moon is made of green cheese but without any actual evidence it means nothing.

Fern, September 25, 2015 at 7:22 pm

During the Balkan wars of the 1990's both the Croatians and the Bosnian muslims, but not the Serbs, hired US public relations firms to 'manage' public perceptions of their activities. A guy who was a head honchos one of these PR firms was asked what aspects of the media campaigns he was most proud of and he replied that it was getting the influential Jewish lobby onside in the demonisation of the Serbs.

Things have moved on a little since then and there are now three important lobbies any public perception manager needs to get onboard. Firstly, there's still the Jewish lobby attested to by the great effort undertaken to pin a gas attack on Bashar al-Assad. Any such attack, of course, is Auschwitz redux and guarantees a compulsion to act by the 'international community'. Secondly, there's the women's movement hence the enormous effort that been put into establishing that Public Enemies (Serbs, Gaddafi etc) use rape systemically, as a weapon of war. And thirdly, there's the LGBT lobby which is a comparatively new kid on the block but did sterling service in Sochi.

I see the constant identification of Soviet soldiers with rape and other atrocities as part of this perception management culture. It reinforces a meme that is becoming increasingly common – the conflation of Nazism and Communism – the Nazi war machine and those who destroyed it are as bad as one another. And if the Soviets are exclusively identified with rape, they become uniquely bad in modern eyes. And if the Soviets are bad, well, the Russians are too.

The reality is that rape, like other lawlessness, is an inevitable consequence of war and that all soldiers, Americans, British, French, German, Russians, committed these crimes. It's why the Nuremburg judgements call the waging of aggressive war the supreme international crime that contains within it all the other lesser crimes – like rape – that invariably follow. Angelina Jolie is probably a sincere woman but if she wants to stop rape in war, she needs to stop war.

kirill, September 25, 2015 at 8:02 pm

That is quite right. It is all about smear. But the claim of 2 million rapes is a gross exaggeration that has not a shred of evidence to back it up. The true figure is not even 10 time less, it is likely to be around 100 times less and in the same range as the western allies.

Given the mass murder of civilians perpetrated by the Nazis, not collateral damage but actual rounding up and shooting or burning villagers in their own homes, why were the Soviet soldiers only worried about rape? If they were seeking revenge they would have been burning Germans alive. I have not heard of a single such instance. So the rape story is utter BS.

Patient Observer, September 25, 2015 at 8:34 pm

That is a good point that I have not heard before.

et Al, September 26, 2015 at 3:58 am
During the Balkan wars of the 1990's both the Croatians and the Bosnian muslims, but not the Serbs, hired US public relations firms to 'manage' public perceptions of their activities.
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The Serbs did hire a PR firm, but it was squeezed and ultimately forced to drop the account. The name of the firm escapes me…

For bosnia, look up James Harff and Ruder-Finn & Knowlton bosnia or look here:

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=James_Harff

The UK peer Dame Anne Warburton (Warburton II report)* lead an 'investigation' in to Bosnian war rapes in 1992 that had to speculate the actual number of war rapes to date but found very little evidence to back up the numbers claimed by the media.

http://www.nytimes.com/1993/01/09/world/european-inquiry-says-serbs-forces-have-raped-20000.html

This letter to the editor is quite succinct (goes straight to pdf):
http://digitalcommons.georgefox.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1813&context=ree

http://www.womenaid.org/press/info/humanrights/warburtonfull.htm
* "…However, on the basis of its investigations, the Mission accepts that it is possible to speak in terms of many thousands. Estimates vary widely, ranging from 10,000 to as many as 60,000. The most reasoned estimates suggested to the Mission place the number of victims at around 20,000."

marknesop, September 26, 2015 at 9:41 am
Hill & Knowlton is also the PR Firm that managed the Iraq War for Kuwait, and coached the fake "Kuwaiti nurse" (actually the Kuwaiti Ambassador's daughter) in her "Saddam's animals ripped babies out of incubators" story. Worked like a charm. No truth to it at all, though. To me, that stands exemplary of the modern western spin-management technique – sit down as a team and figure out what it would take to get the public on your side. Then invent a situation where that happened.

[Sep 27, 2015] On the curious bigotry and racism of #Russias pro-Western liberals

Sep 27, 2015 | www.facebook.com

Sep 24, 2015

Mark Sleboda

On the curious bigotry and racism of #Russia's pro-Western "liberals":

Scratch a Russian "liberal" who fetishes the West and below the surface nearly every time you will find bigoted ethnic nationalism & racism.

Russian liberals as a rule have nothing but contempt & loathing for Russia's 188+ ethnic minorities and other Eurasian peoples....

Russia's liberals see the Eurasian minorities & immigrants as a weight holding Russia, and themselves personally, back from their longed-for Western aspirations & assimilation. They despise them for this. Russia's inner-Orient provoking a self-loathing Orientalism. They see the West as "Civilization" (singular, capital "C" ) and Russia's Eurasian peoples as the barbarian "Other".

Ex. The near universal reaction of Russia's liberals I personally know to the building of the Cathedral Mosque in Moscow was a very visceral horror & outrage - directed against Putin.

This curious phenomenon is at its most obvious in the liberals adoration of the neoliberal-ultranationalist Alexei Navalny and their seething hatred of Ramzan Kadyrov.

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The driving force of all forms of "Euro integration" and Color Revolution is a racist belief in the racial superiority of West European whites. "Liberals" believe that by "democratization" and "integration" they can make themselves more European, more white. What they most yearn for is acceptance as "equals" by White Anglo-Saxons and their ecclesiastical class in Hollywood.

Aaron Thomas
Its only going to get worse as the world cup approaches. There actually is a problem with racism in russian soccer. But you know they'll use it to describe russia as a whole.

Mark Sleboda
Find me a European country without racism among football fans. Completely turned me off from the soccer I grew up playing

Constantine Goh Curious.
The situation is similar with Chinese liberals.

Michal Mazur
Russia's liberals - sounds like beginning of a joke smile emoticon But bear in mind that somewhere in between Russia and West, things are little bit different. For instance, Poland & Lithuania (actually Lithuania / Belarus) were able to successfully integrate their Tatar muslim minorities even before 17th century. Russia is still 'work in progress' since Caucasus region tends to be a little bit more troublesome sometimes, and this progress has to be appreciated.
Зоран Радишић
Similar with Serbian "liberals" too. I think that these are not necessarily "ideological liberals", as much as they are often simply suffering from an inferiority complex and consider all things Western as superior not only to central Asians or Middle Easterners, but to their own culture and race as well. In the 1930s & '40s the likes of these were nazi and fascist sympathizers and enthusiastic collaborators when the opportunity rose, because it was the Western crap of the day. Now they are "liberals", tomorrow they will follow the next political monstrosity, etc.

[Sep 27, 2015] ClubOrlov Americas Latest Foreign Policy Fiascos, Part I

"... It caused Russia's "nonsystemic opposition" - so called because it can never garner enough votes to win any election anywhere - which has been financed by American NGOs and transnational oligarchs like Soros, Khodorkovsky and others, to pretty much fade from the Russian political scene altogether ..."
"... It has increased the popularity of Russia's government, and Vladimir Putin personally while making the average Russian greatly dislike the US in particular, and mistrust the West in general ..."
"... It has provided Russia with a bonanza in the form of 1.5 million additional Russians, in the form of refugees from the economically collapsed, war-torn Ukraine. ..."
"... America has no foreign policy; it just has a military with the sole intent of using it... As the old saw goes; when all one has is a hammer, everything looks like a nail ..."
"... One advantage the West has derived from this fiasco is that the Ukraine is now another debt slave nation a la Greece without the benefit(?) of being a member of the EU or the Eurozone. ..."
"... In any case, Roberts makes it clear the the neo-conservatives (Nuland and her husband Robert Kagan, etc.) are still dictating much of Washington's foreign policy, and it doesn't seem to matter that the neo-conservatives have done nothing but ruin everything they've touched. They stay in power anyway. Maybe that's their goal, to destroy foreign nations whose resources they (and their clients, certain large corporations) covet, particularly in North Africa, the Middle East and maybe even the Ukraine. ..."
Sep 27, 2015 | cluborlov.blogspot.ca

Some 15 months ago I published a piece on American Foreign Policy Fiascos, in which I summarized the significant negative progress that has been achieved through American involvement in Afghanistan, Iraq and Georgia, among others, and then went on to boldly predict that the Ukraine is likewise going to turn out to be another American foreign policy fiasco. Since then it certainly has turned into one.

US meddling in the Ukraine has produced none of the results it was intended to produce:

  • It didn't isolate Russia internationally
  • It didn't destroy Russia's economy
  • It didn't pull Russia into a futile, unpopular, bloody conflict
  • It didn't produce regime change within Russia

Just the opposite:

  • It prompted Russia, China and several other countries to opt for closer economic and security ties
  • It motivated Russia to think seriously about import replacement, giving its domestic economy a big boost
  • It made the US and NATO part to a bloody conflict in Eastern Ukraine while Russia has steadfastly stood on the sidelines providing humanitarian aid
  • It caused Russia's "nonsystemic opposition" - so called because it can never garner enough votes to win any election anywhere - which has been financed by American NGOs and transnational oligarchs like Soros, Khodorkovsky and others, to pretty much fade from the Russian political scene altogether, all the while complaining bitterly about the horrible Russian people who don't understand them and the lack of imported French cheeses, not to mention the pâtés; please, don't get them started on the pâtés-that would be simply too cruel.

And then here are some bonus points:

  • It has increased the popularity of Russia's government, and Vladimir Putin personally while making the average Russian greatly dislike the US in particular, and mistrust the West in general
  • It has driven a political wedge between the US and the EU, with EU member-states now starting to dimly discern for the first time that US policies are undermining rather than enhancing their security
  • It has provided Russia with a bonanza in the form of 1.5 million additional Russians, in the form of refugees from the economically collapsed, war-torn Ukraine.
  • It has put Russia in a position where it can just sit back and let the US, NATO and their puppets in the Ukraine twist in the wind, or soak in a cesspool of their own creation, or sit back and watch as a dunce's cap is lowered onto their collective head while circus music plays-or your own hyperbolic metaphor-but their level of embarrassment is already high and getting higher.

The last two points warrant some further discussion.

V. Arnold said...

I would say that's a fair assessment of the "situation" in Ukraine. President Putin has played the hand dealt to him masterfully.

Syria? Once again Pres. Putin has shown his resolve and tactical expertise.

America has no foreign policy; it just has a military with the sole intent of using it... As the old saw goes; when all one has is a hammer, everything looks like a nail

B. Green said...

One advantage the West has derived from this fiasco is that the Ukraine is now another debt slave nation a la Greece without the benefit(?) of being a member of the EU or the Eurozone. They are becoming another Troika puppet selling off assets at fire sale prices, cutting pensions, etc., etc. And let us not forget the Disaster Capitalists who will swoop in to profit from any war damage or infrastructure collapse.

Marc L Bernstein said...

Some articles by Paul Craig Roberts and Steve Lendman:

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/09/23/russias-false-hopes-paul-craig-roberts/

http://sjlendman.blogspot.com/2015/09/us-cooperation-with-russia-on-syria.html

Roberts says:

"Russia can end the Ukraine crisis by simply accepting the requests of the former Russian territories to reunite with Russia. Once the breakaway republics are again part of Russia, the crisis is over. Ukraine is not going to attack Russia."

It can't be quite as simple as Roberts portrays. Maybe this will eventually happen but only after Ukraine is on the verge of collapse as a sovereign nation.

In any case, Roberts makes it clear the the neo-conservatives (Nuland and her husband Robert Kagan, etc.) are still dictating much of Washington's foreign policy, and it doesn't seem to matter that the neo-conservatives have done nothing but ruin everything they've touched. They stay in power anyway. Maybe that's their goal, to destroy foreign nations whose resources they (and their clients, certain large corporations) covet, particularly in North Africa, the Middle East and maybe even the Ukraine.

It's a lot easier to destroy things than it is to repair them.

[Sep 27, 2015] If Putin wants to dest4ruct Ukraine he got a lot of competition from the EU, US and NATO

Sep 27, 2015 | marknesop.wordpress.com

Oddlots, September 25, 2015 at 5:04 pm

This is kind of interesting as Mearshimer comes to conclusions I'm sure most here would agree with but also some opinions that would seem ludicrous. According to him Putin's strategy is to wreck Ukraine… If that's the case he's got a lot of competition from the EU, U.S. and NATO and would be wasting his efforts as the former seem entirely capable of achieving the goal without any further assistance:

http://scotthorton.org/interviews/2014/08/21/082114-john-j-mearsheimer/

[Sep 27, 2015] How Russia and Iran Plan to Push Oil Prices Back above $100

Notable quotes:
"... And in turn, Remove the United States as a Superpower in the Middle East ..."
"... The bigger story however has not been the fighting but the subterfuge which was ignored by the Western mainstream media with regards to an economic war against Russia and Syria has been quite successful thus far in the guise of sanctions and destroying the price of crude oil( via CNBC ..."
"... This indiscreet economic and political war on Russia might have been perceived as a clever method to keep the bear trapped inside the Ukrainian box, contained so as to prevent any further impact on Western economies and enough to help the Wests Middle East petro partners. ..."
"... The idea is a not so subtle message to the United States and Saudi Arabia; if you continue to support ISIS and the various rebel forces in Syria and Iraq, a new united front will push them back into your lap for your nation to deal with it. ..."
"... Without any supplies crossing from Turkey or Saudi Arabia, those forces will attempt to migrate into the Kurdish controlled portions of Iraq and Turkey where they will eventually be dispersed or destroyed. ..."
"... Saudi Arabia is ill prepared to fight a two front war with Yemen on it south and ISIS/Al Qaeda to its north thus there is a high probability that terrorist units will have little trouble penetrating deep into Kuwait and the Saudi kingdom. Russia and Iran will view this as justifiable payback for the Sunni militias that the kingdoms sponsored and as such, destabilize the monarchies to the point where oil prices will be severely impacted in 2016; eventually driving the price of Brent Crude back over $100 per bbl. As China has already locked in their prices via long term supply contracts with Iran and Russia the opportunity for their forces to act in support of such an offensive in a peace keeping role is viable, usurping the U.S. hegemony in the region. ..."
"... The idea by Europe, the United States, and Arab kingdoms that a pipeline was a viable plan using mercenaries funded and supplied in the name of Syrian liberation was a myth from the beginning. Now the incompetency of their strategy may soon backfire and impact their economies far more severely than Russias, leaving a greater vacuum of power on the world stage; a void which will be filled by the new Sino-Russian alliance to purge American influence from the Middle East after twenty years of relative peace. ..."
Sep 27, 2015 | johngaltfla.com
September 27, 2015 | Shenandoah

And in turn, Remove the United States as a Superpower in the Middle East

On post super blood moon Monday, Vladimir Putin will be meeting with President Obama to discuss the ISIS crisis in the Middle East. There are many within the U.S. media who are promoting this meeting as some strange idea that the Russians are about to ask the Americans for help against ISIS. While there might be a small gnat's hair bit of truth to this, in reality, Putin is about to dictate terms and the United States is ill prepared to deal with the consequences.

In 2014, I penned a piece reflecting the true reason ISIS was created so that the Arabian sheikdoms could establish pipelines through Iraq and Syri a to permanently shift Europe's dependency on Russian oil and natural gas over to their own private market where they can re-assert control over the world market price. The problem is that Russia failed to see the US, British, and Arab point of view and offered what they thought was enough support to block ISIS from overthrowing Bashir Al-Assad and keep this dream from becoming reality.

... ... ...

The bigger story however has not been the fighting but the subterfuge which was ignored by the Western mainstream media with regards to an economic war against Russia and Syria has been quite successful thus far in the guise of sanctions and destroying the price of crude oil( via CNBC as of Friday, 9/25 ):

This indiscreet economic and political war on Russia might have been perceived as a clever method to keep the bear trapped inside the Ukrainian box, contained so as to prevent any further impact on Western economies and enough to help the West's Middle East petro partners.

... ... ...

The Middle East is aflame right now and the economic situation along with terrorist Islamist ideologues have exported their problems into Europe with a massive migration of millions of refugees from Syria, Jordan, Libya, and Iraq. Mixed within these people are numerous terrorist operatives as was promised by ISIS and Al Qaeda years ago but ignored by the naive European Union. The future problems this will create are another story but the question has been promoted by some in the United States asking why the Arab nations of the Arabian Peninsula have not taken any of the refugees. That answer is obvious; their economies and domestic political situations are so tentative and fragile that an influx of millions of new residents would probably tip nations like Kuwait and Saudi Arabia closer to full blown civil war within their own borders.

... ... ...

The idea is a not so subtle message to the United States and Saudi Arabia; if you continue to support ISIS and the various rebel forces in Syria and Iraq, a new united front will push them back into your lap for your nation to deal with it. By later on this year and early next year their should be sufficient forces on the ground in Syria and Iraq to push the ISIS militants into a meat grinder, eventually cutting them off from their northern forces somewhere in north central Iraq. Without any supplies crossing from Turkey or Saudi Arabia, those forces will attempt to migrate into the Kurdish controlled portions of Iraq and Turkey where they will eventually be dispersed or destroyed.

Meanwhile in the southern part of Iraq, ISIS will be left unchecked for a short duration and eventually pushed into Saudi Arabia and the GCC states, to let the sponsors of this terrorist army deal with the problems they funded and created. The brilliance of this strategy by the new alliance of Egypt, Russia, Iran, Iraq, and Syria (which may soon include Jordan) is obvious; the return of the malcontents who will feel betrayed by the House of Saud and other various sheikdoms of the region will create domestic instability and as a result the destruction wrought on Iraq's oil infrastructure will now become a GCC problem.

Saudi Arabia is ill prepared to fight a two front war with Yemen on it south and ISIS/Al Qaeda to its north thus there is a high probability that terrorist units will have little trouble penetrating deep into Kuwait and the Saudi kingdom. Russia and Iran will view this as justifiable payback for the Sunni militias that the kingdoms sponsored and as such, destabilize the monarchies to the point where oil prices will be severely impacted in 2016; eventually driving the price of Brent Crude back over $100 per bbl. As China has already locked in their prices via long term supply contracts with Iran and Russia the opportunity for their forces to act in support of such an offensive in a "peace keeping" role is viable, usurping the U.S. hegemony in the region.

The idea by Europe, the United States, and Arab kingdoms that a pipeline was a viable plan using mercenaries funded and supplied in the name of Syrian liberation was a myth from the beginning. Now the incompetency of their strategy may soon backfire and impact their economies far more severely than Russia's, leaving a greater vacuum of power on the world stage; a void which will be filled by the new Sino-Russian alliance to purge American influence from the Middle East after twenty years of relative peace.

[Sep 27, 2015] Putin reaffirms support for Assad as he decries propaganda against Syria

"... The whole area is a shitstorm anyway, surely an Assad victory is the best option - warts & all. He is a bastard, he has as much blood on his hands as anyone. Yet the alternative is worse. The alternative is Mogudishu on steroids. ..."
"... Plan B of the US, since its Syria overthrow effort has failed, is to subdivide Syria into several unstable, warring little mini-states, including ISIS and Al Qaeda mini-states. Syria and its allies should be able to destroy that dream too. ..."
"... Liberal interventionism isn't morally justifiable as there are today more human rights abuses in Libya or at least the same number as under Gaddaffi, the same is true of Iraq and Syria. Far worse human rights abuses have happened since the militarization of protests than before. If the goal is human development, which of course it isn't , the goal is a casus belli for our strategic goals, then slow reform with no violence is best. ..."
"... Cameron's present stance seems to be anti-both-sides in Syria: bomb ISIS, but refuse to support Assad's stand against them. Two years ago Dave wanted to effectively help the ISIS side. Given a choice between Assad or the religious fanatics behind the "ISIS" entity, Assad is surely the only sane choice. ..."
"... The White House is talking bollox. Only three weeks ago US was trying to block Russian flights to Syria by lobbying NATO countries to prevent use of their airspace by Russian aircraft. Also in the last three weeks the US response to Russian military build-up in Syria was first to warn Moscow against military deployment, then that it would exasperate the situation, and would be like "pouring oil on the fire", as Ash Carter put it. Putin has brushed their warnings aside and now they're adjusting their words to suit the situation Putin has forced on them. ..."
"... Now America along with its Western allies (and the Gulf States) are no longer able to call the shots and equip the rebels with impunity. Obama's inaction in the region has shown Western influence to be dimming while Russia is assisting Iran in combating America's creation both in Iraq and Syria while the US did its usual cut and run routine. ..."
"... Al Qeada and Al Nusra and again leaving another power vacuum for ISIS to overrun Syria then moving on to Jordan and The Lebanon, thus controlling vast swathes of land and compounding the already appalling refugee crisis. ..."
"... It is incomprehensible that American foreign policy is again working alongside one particular country which would be delighted to see its neighbor fall into chaos while working towards a war against Iran. ..."
"... Atrocities have been committed on both sides in the Syrian conflict with the rebel groups using chemical weapons on the civilian population and yet if Assad were to go there is no one group that could hold the country together. ..."
"... Remarkably, this article did not even mention Putin's highly newsworthy comments pointing out that the US promotion of a mercenary rebel force in Syria is both illegal and a failure. ..."
"... Such exquisite journalistic tact makes perfect sense once you remember that, for Western official opinionators, arming rebels in another country is an outrage against international law when Putin supposedly does it in Ukraine but must not even be noticed when Obama does it in Syria. ..."
"... are either one paid to believe it, or (in your case more likely judging by the goofy tie) you might have simple comprehension issues. Yeah, "West is incapable of lying".... ..."
"... If it wasn't for Putin, ISIS would have taken over Syria by now. All these rebels we armed in Syria are now part of ISIS. Assad kept the peace for years and Christians and other religions could live safely in Syria. The west should have supported Assad from the start and there would be no ISIS stronghold in Syria. ..."
"... Western colonialism (western corporations) 2.0 in execution by empire and its western vassals taking many lives in Iraq, Libya and Syria to have natural resources under colonial control, Western Saudi stooges/be headers keep Middle East and South Africa under western colonial control. Everybody who opposes western colonialism 2.0 is ending up dead (Husain, Kaddafi, soon Assad - like good old days). In their hypocrisy, west pretends that they have so called human values (it is so funny that is bringing big smile on my face). All these western corporations plundering Middle East and Africa big time now. And I cannot stop laughing when west is talking about human right and having Kings and princes Saudis, Qataris and Kuwaitis be headers as their allays ..."
Sep 27, 2015 | www.theguardian.com

In a wide-ranging interview with the CBS programme 60 Minutes, the Russian president offered some conciliatory language, praising America for its "creativity and open-mindedness". He shrugged off descriptions of him as a gangster, asking "How can I be a gangster if I worked for the KGB?"

But it was Putin's remarks on Syria that carried the most significance: he will be meeting Barack Obama for critical talks on Monday about the international response to the Syrian war and the global humanitarian crisis it has triggered. His remarks come weeks after he deployed warplanes and an estimated 1,700 troops to western Syria to help prop up the Assad regime in the name of fighting of Islamic State and other terrorism groups.

The White House has said it would welcome a Russian role in the fight against Isis but insists that Assad's departure from power has to be part of the solution. His regime's atrocities against civilians, through daily barrel bombing of residential areas and other means, mean that his continued presence serves as a recruitment tool for extremists, it says.

In the interview aired on Sunday, however, Putin flatly rejected the evidence of war crimes by the Assad regime. The former KGB officer said: "Speaking in a professional language of intelligence services, I can tell you that this kind of assessment is an 'active measure' by enemies of Assad. It is anti-Syrian propaganda.

... ... ...

In other remarks in his 60 Minutes interview, Putin offered some rare praise for Americans and in particular for their creativity: "Creativity when it comes to tackling your problems. Their openness, openness and open-mindedness. Because it allows them to unleash the inner potential of their people. And thanks to that, America has attained such amazing results in developing their country."

... ... ...

zchabj -> seaspan 27 Sep 2015 22:16

You represent everything that is detestable about western politics, inflexible, totally unaware of the hypocrisy and blind to death you sow and I come from London. There are always two sides to a stroy and warfare must be eneded and negotiated power deals brokered.

Killinf gets people no where. Anarchy destroys Syrian people's lives and futures, but you don't care, and that is why I have nothing but contempt for you and your views. You could care less if every Syrian died as long as your western ego is the "winner".

So utterly pathetic.

ID8246338 27 Sep 2015 22:13

Commenters who think there hasn't been a massive propaganda campaign against Assad, and that Assad is responsible for every atrocity under the sun need to do their homework. A good start might be finding out what Syrian people think, both in Syria and ex-pats.

Another may be to look into the propaganda which Ca-The-Moron has promoted - which originated from the CIA - and was wholly unacceptable according to Ban Ki-moon.

Alternatively, remain ignorant and accept everything you are spoon fed. At least you won't have to think too hard about anything, and your opinions will reflect your laziness and ignorance.

Then there is the western campaign which, started in the 1950s and has continued ever since - with a special boost from psycho Thatcher during the early 1970s. And so on and on.

HollyOldDog -> smiley08 27 Sep 2015 22:12

On the BBC there were interviews with some Syrian Migrants who said ' we aere coming to Europe because schools are closed, we cannot go out, universities are closed - this was from teenagers. It's not comprehensive but it does suggest that the schools system and universities were good before the current waring fractions attacked the Syranian state.

centerline 27 Sep 2015 22:12

The exceptional US?
Swaggering along, pumped up on hubris and self esteem, setting the "rules" for the world.
Putin stuck his foot out in Syria and tripped them up. Now, quite dazed they are trying to get back to their feet wondering what the fuck just happened.
The MSM is working mightily to help the groggy US back onto its wobbly feet.

Elusiv 27 Sep 2015 22:11

President Putin feels extraordinary passion for his country and its history and everything she's been through, she meaning Russia. Loved the interview tonight. Hoping for a passionate Presidential candidate in America to dig deep into our hearts here.

jvillain -> b1ngobob 27 Sep 2015 22:06

Except that Assad has the post support of any party is Syria. Mean while the two parties that the Syrians want to F' oof the most are ISIS closly followed by NATO. So try again.

http://www.opinion.co.uk/perch/resources/syriadata.pdf

Egypts Sisi has re-established relations with Assad and has said that Syria should remain intact. That is important becuase Egypt has the largest population in the Near East by quite a bit.

creel 27 Sep 2015 22:05

That Russia and Iran are having to lecture the US today ..about lessons Lincoln and the US so painfully realized in the period of the US Civil War; is astonishing.

Unity. The accountability of the citizen (each and every citizen) to the law. National framework for law that respects the tradition of different community in an inclusive society. Respect for and security of property title. These are all quite fundamental responsibilities that the US appear to believe Assad and his Administration must disavow. For what? To advance a Saudi-Turkic agenda that is acutely tribal, sectarian and narrowly faith-driven?

nellieknox -> exliebour 27 Sep 2015 22:03

Sad but true

Surely anything is better than an ISIS caliphate

The only issue is what was reported before, that Assad isnt directly fighting ISIS at present, as on the front lines around govt occupied zones are Al Nusra & other factions. ISIS are mainly fighting other Jihadi groups, Iraqi militias & of course the Kurds.

The whole area is a shitstorm anyway, surely an Assad victory is the best option - warts & all. He is a bastard, he has as much blood on his hands as anyone. Yet the alternative is worse. The alternative is Mogudishu on steroids.

Bart Fargo -> irgun777 27 Sep 2015 22:03

The rationale is to keep the conflict going for as long as possible, and to keep Assad from winning at any cost, so as to permanently undermine Iranian and Russian influence in the region.

Bart Fargo -> Chris Straley 27 Sep 2015 22:00

Of course Americans don't want to sponsor terrorism. But the average American would be surprised to learn where our "aid" ends up...

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34368073

zchabj b1ngobob 27 Sep 2015 21:55

With all due respect it is none of your or my business being a Londoner who rules Syria, it is down to the Ssyrian people, our views and the views of our leaders are irrelevant and frankly given the amount of killing directly by our armed forces from a position of exterme hypocrisy.

We have no moral, financial or military authority left after invading Iraq, Libya and Syria by proxy.

irgun777 -> jezzam 27 Sep 2015 21:47

Bush Sr was a CIA Director . He was not a gangster applying CIA methods .
He said once " Sadam is an asshole but he is our asshole " and was right.
There was no ISIS. , no refugees before the interventions in Iraq and Syria .

zchabj -> seaspan 27 Sep 2015 21:44

I hope one day your family is killed beacuse of the religion they follow and some idiot on the other side of the world says that a eace deal to end the fighting is wrong because despite both sides killing alarming numbers of civilians (300 according to reuters from July to Decemebr were killed by rebel hellcannon barrel bombs in 2014) that the war should continue so that groups that are thoroughly against democracy can bring democracy to the nation rather than negotiate a peace deal to end the war.

I really hope that happens to teach you emathy, because that is what you are arguing totally sick.

Media Propaganda 27 Sep 2015 21:43

The US doesn't want ISIS to go away.
They are being used to isolate Assad.
The US is sponsoring terror, not fighting it...

zchabj -> b1ngobob 27 Sep 2015 21:41

That's a good idea for Russia, one part of the Soviet Union the main part to pay reparations if other countries think they are owed, however since the break up of trh Soviet Union, the economies of post Soviet states have performed worse in some ways and are thankfully for ordinary folk recovering after rampant privatization and gangsterism.

Also the British could pay Bangladesh for the 10 million it helped starve in 1770 and the US could pay reparations to the Vietnamese today born with birth defects due to Agent Orange and on and on and on...

I would love to live in that world.

The idea we are the good guys just isn't true. We aren't, have never been and bever wil be and nor are the Russians or any other group.

irgun777 27 Sep 2015 21:38

We know that the so called "'moderates " are joining en masse ISIS and Al Nusra- reported in Guardian.
What is the rationale to continue to support them with arms. , tactically and logistically ?
Shedding crocodile tears for the Syrian refugees is disingenuous at least if we add their enemies.

Assad is a poster boy compared with the Gulf regimes with worse women, minority
and Christian rights records . We know who really fights ISIS and who supports it behind the curtains .
What motivates McCaine and the neocons to conduct photoshops with Al Nusra and dream of a regime change ?

JiminNH 27 Sep 2015 21:30

Costly efforts to support moderate rebel groups have resulted in only four or five US-backed armed guerrillas on Syrian territory.

This piece of "reporting", which is nothing but more western propaganda, furthers a recent concerted effort to focus on just the most recent debacle of our investing HALF A BILLION DOLLARS in "Division 30", when the reality is that the US has been undertaking such efforts to train, arm and fund the mythical "moderate Syrian rebels" since 2012. Each and every time we do so, the "moderates" enter Syria and promptly pledge allegiance to al Qaeda or its affiliate al Nusra Front, or a number of the other alphabet soup of western and GCC proxy armies in Syria. And that doesn't even include the massive support for the jihadist rebels from Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey, Jordan and our other allies.

http://fair.org/home/down-the-memory-hole-nyt-erases-cias-efforts-to-overthrow-syrias-government/

"Fool me once, shame on me..fool me twice shame on you"...... after at least 5 such "failures" you're not fooling anyone that is even remotely paying attention to this intentional chaos.

At what point will it become obvious even to the willfully ignorant - this repeated "failure" is actually the policy for the US and it NATO & GCC allies to conduct the regime change in Syria, one of the 7 regime change operations or ruling elites planned under the pretext of the "war on terror" since 9/11, attacks conducted not by Syrians, nor Libyans, nor Iraqi, but by an organization that was birthed in Afghanistan circa 1979-1985 by the US CIA, British Mi6 and Saudi Arabia, from which 15 of its alleged "participants" came.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw

fairleft 27 Sep 2015 21:22

Plan B of the US, since its Syria overthrow effort has failed, is to subdivide Syria into several unstable, warring little mini-states, including ISIS and Al Qaeda mini-states. Syria and its allies should be able to destroy that dream too.

fairleft 27 Sep 2015 21:09

Russia is serious about the fight against Wahabbist terrorism. The condition set by the US shows it is serious about overthrowing Assad. I side with Russia on this one.


zchabj 27 Sep 2015 20:46

It is amazing to see how quickly things change.

Liberal interventionism isn't morally justifiable as there are today more human rights abuses in Libya or at least the same number as under Gaddaffi, the same is true of Iraq and Syria. Far worse human rights abuses have happened since the militarization of protests than before. If the goal is human development, which of course it isn't , the goal is a casus belli for our strategic goals, then slow reform with no violence is best.

Iif we cannot improve a situation, why make it worse? If we do not have the military and financial means to improve lives, do not do anything.


stevekeenan1 27 Sep 2015 20:39

Cameron's present stance seems to be anti-both-sides in Syria: bomb ISIS, but refuse to support Assad's stand against them. Two years ago Dave wanted to effectively help the ISIS side. Given a choice between Assad or the religious fanatics behind the "ISIS" entity, Assad is surely the only sane choice.

BMWAlbert 27 Sep 2015 20:39

What propaganda? The 60 or 70 so "moderate rebels" seem most moderate in their behaviour (no organ gorgings this year, as yet). And this 0.5 Billion USD Footloose and fancy Free Syrian Army so much so, that they surrender their weapons to the extremists (usually found in photo-ops alongside John McCain) at the first possible opportunity.

Strangely, the Iraq Army seems much the same-here the main victories against ISIS were by the militias backed by Iran (maybe why this is why the RU-Syria command centre is actually being located in Bagdad. There seems be be a motivation deficit among among proxy armies (also seen south of Donetsk last year).

whythelies 27 Sep 2015 20:36

Ita all about Qatari GAS through Syria....FFS!

America desperately trying to decouple Europe from Russian gas......only way is from Qatar/Saudi/Syria/Turkey pipeline.

Syria (and Russia) say no.......result is American inspired civil war.

Russia waits (timing is everything) then puts the game changing hardware on the ground....REALPOLITIK.

North America will resemble the Martian landscape before Russia gives up the European gas franchise.

Its why all the previous protagonists want to talk with Russia.......suddenly?

Its business as usual.......Assad keeps loyal Syrians....Europe get all the terrorists

I'm looking for a beach house in Latakia before the prices rise......

After the American/Israeli/NATO sponsored and Sunni (Saudi,Qatari,UAE muslim desert gerbil terrorists are smashed for good.

Jahovason 27 Sep 2015 20:29

I think Joining Assad in the fight against ISIS is not a bad idea. The greatest danger will be to leave a vacuum in Syria which we do not know the sort of characters that will step in to occupy. Iraq Libya are testament to the folly of thinking that once a government that enjoys some legitimacy is rid of because of a flaw, suddenly everything becomes ok. The threats and dangers lurking in the shadows in the form of extreme islamists in countries such as Syria demands that Assad's government be stabilised with international monitors ensuring any help is not used in the violation of His peoples Human rights, ISIS is crushed and a transition spanning a couple of years is agreed upon. The Arm of Justice is long and if Assad is guilty of Human Rights abuses, his day will come but for now too many people are suffering in our quest to get one man. The the blood craving ISIS is taking advantage of the choas caused by a lack of International collective effort. The US and the UK need to stop dictating, face reality and assemble a coalation capable of taking out the most urgent problem in Syria which is ISIS.

unlywnted 27 Sep 2015 20:28

Yes it makes good sense to work with the Russians to re-establish stability in Syria even if initially that means supporting Assad - the country was fairly stable and reasonably governed under Assad prior to the rebels uprising encouraged by the West - it is right to make amends now and enable that regime to re-established order for however temporary a period until some long term solution can be found.

greatapedescendant 27 Sep 2015 20:25

"Putin reaffirms support for Assad as he decries 'propaganda' against Syria"

Yes. I agree with Putin. And here's why ..........

Palestinians are supporting Assad + Putin.

Israelis are represented as usual by the US + allies.

And as usual this is a case of dealing with a contingent problem in the Middle East, in this case ISIS, not with a view to efficient accomplishment, but with a view to the constant, underlying and real problem of consolidating Israel and protecting its boundaries. And this to the point of overthrowing Assad and having him replaced by a non-Palestinian sympathiser or supporter.

For the record, I generally attach more probability of truth to the words of Putin than to those of Obama + allies.

whyohwhy1 27 Sep 2015 20:22

Silly Putin, you are not supposed to call it "propaganda" when it comes from the US and their poodles. Saddam killed babies in incubators and was building nukes, Iran is also trying to get nukes, Russia invaded Crimea, Gaddafi was about to commit a genocide and so on: it is news!

geedeesee 27 Sep 2015 20:20

"The White House has said it would welcome a Russian role in the fight against Isis"

The White House is talking bollox. Only three weeks ago US was trying to block Russian flights to Syria by lobbying NATO countries to prevent use of their airspace by Russian aircraft. Also in the last three weeks the US response to Russian military build-up in Syria was first to warn Moscow against military deployment, then that it would exasperate the situation, and would be like "pouring oil on the fire", as Ash Carter put it. Putin has brushed their warnings aside and now they're adjusting their words to suit the situation Putin has forced on them.

Johnnyw1 27 Sep 2015 20:16

Western leaders removed Saddam from Iraq , Gaddafi from Libya and the result world chaos. Now they want to remove Assad from Syria , could the result in even more world chaos ? ...Not according to David Cameron , but I`m afraid , as of yet his track record does little to inspire me . Would have thought helping Assad to destroy Isis would be the favoured option .


centerline 27 Sep 2015 20:04

Costly efforts to support moderate rebel groups have resulted in only four or five US-backed armed guerrillas on Syrian territory. A former top aide to Obama on Middle East argued on Sunday that in the absence of realistic means to oust Assad, it was better to enter negotiations without demanding Assad's departure as a precondition.

These two sentences say it all. there are no moderate rebels. Only extremists.

The moderate extremists (al Qaeda) want Syria turned into a medieval kingdom similar to Saudi Arabia or Taliban Pakistan.
And then there's ISIS.

The CIA have been funding the different al Qaeda/ISIS groups to the tune of one billion dollars a year, not to mention the pentagon money to remove Assad purely for US geo-political and financial goals.

At the start of 2014, the US Department of state put out a sheet - The Syrian Crisis: U.S. Assistance and Support for the Transition.

In it they were prematurely advertising for US citizens to invest in oil, agriculture, and communications in "rebel" held areas of Syria. The US commercial takeover of oil, agriculture, and communications in Syria as government forces were pushed out.

budgie2356 27 Sep 2015 19:57

An interesting scenario is developing with Putin adding his support to Assad along with Iran and China playing a quieter role in the background. While America created the war in Iraq and left the country in utter chaos by dismantling the army, the police and the Ba'arth Party and leaving the vacuum for ISIS to flourish during the sectarian violence that ensued, the uprising in Syria wasn't even on the cards until the Arab Spring.

Now America along with its Western allies (and the Gulf States) are no longer able to call the shots and equip the rebels with impunity. Obama's inaction in the region has shown Western influence to be dimming while Russia is assisting Iran in combating America's creation both in Iraq and Syria while the US did its usual cut and run routine.

Obama will have to face facts that he is dealing with a major power. If left to their own devices, the West will be creating another Iraq by supplying weapons to rebel groups who are apparently America's sworn enemies, Al Qeada and Al Nusra and again leaving another power vacuum for ISIS to overrun Syria then moving on to Jordan and The Lebanon, thus controlling vast swathes of land and compounding the already appalling refugee crisis.

It is incomprehensible that American foreign policy is again working alongside one particular country which would be delighted to see its neighbor fall into chaos while working towards a war against Iran.

Atrocities have been committed on both sides in the Syrian conflict with the rebel groups using chemical weapons on the civilian population and yet if Assad were to go there is no one group that could hold the country together.

America and the West must wake up to the fact that it's intervention policies have caused the deaths and displacement of millions to what end?

VengefulRevenant 27 Sep 2015 19:54

Remarkably, this article did not even mention Putin's highly newsworthy comments pointing out that the US promotion of a mercenary rebel force in Syria is both illegal and a failure.

Such exquisite journalistic tact makes perfect sense once you remember that, for Western official opinionators, arming rebels in another country is an outrage against international law when Putin supposedly does it in Ukraine but must not even be noticed when Obama does it in Syria.

AngeloFrank 27 Sep 2015 19:46

Make up your minds world. What's worse, Isis or Assad?

idance 27 Sep 2015 19:48

Putin on CBS 10 years ago:
"Democracy cannot be exported to some other place. This must be a product of internal domestic development in a society."
Still topical.

idance 27 Sep 2015 19:48

Putin on CBS 10 years ago:
"Democracy cannot be exported to some other place. This must be a product of internal domestic development in a society."
Still topical.

zchabj 27 Sep 2015 19:41

120,000 Syrian soldiers, mostly conscripts from ordinary Syrians have been killed or there abouts by the "FSA", allied Al Nusra and ISIL and the hundreds of other smaller groups, Ahrar Al Sham, Jaish Al Islam.

Thousands of improvised "barrel like" propane hell cannon missiles have been fired randomly into civilian areas by Syrian rebels.

And we never hear about this.

Beckow -> Jonathan Stromberg 27 Sep 2015 19:40

Is West in your mind capable of propaganda? Or do you think only others - the evil others - do propaganda?

If you really believe that West is never spreading propaganda than you are either one paid to believe it, or (in your case more likely judging by the goofy tie) you might have simple comprehension issues. Yeah, "West is incapable of lying"....

OneTop 27 Sep 2015 19:38

Project for the New American Century
Putin is one of the very few International leaders undeterred from speaking the truth.

No wonder Washington hates him so much.

SystemD -> stevekeenan1 27 Sep 2015 19:31

Indeed. Assad may not be a 'nice guy', but he is infinitely preferable to ISIS. I cannot understand why the UK and USA wish to get rid of him, unless it is to please Netanyahu. Which raises the question, why would Israel wish to to see a repressive but stable regime (with whom it might be possible to negotiate) replaced by a gang of religious nut jobs, one of whose tenets is the destruction of their state?

Johnnyw1 27 Sep 2015 19:31

If it wasn't for Putin, ISIS would have taken over Syria by now. All these rebels we armed in Syria are now part of ISIS. Assad kept the peace for years and Christians and other religions could live safely in Syria. The west should have supported Assad from the start and there would be no ISIS stronghold in Syria.

nikdyzma55 27 Sep 2015 19:29

Western colonialism (western corporations) 2.0 in execution by empire and its western vassals taking many lives in Iraq, Libya and Syria to have natural resources under colonial control, Western Saudi stooges/be headers keep Middle East and South Africa under western colonial control. Everybody who opposes western colonialism 2.0 is ending up dead (Husain, Kaddafi, soon Assad - like good old days). In their hypocrisy, west pretends that they have so called human values (it is so funny that is bringing big smile on my face). All these western corporations plundering Middle East and Africa big time now. And I cannot stop laughing when west is talking about human right and having Kings and princes Saudis, Qataris and Kuwaitis be headers as their allays

exliebour 27 Sep 2015 19:16

Asssad is the only hope for something bordering on sanity in Syria.
The west should stop giving Jihadists TOW missiles and let Russia impose the orderly iron fist of a dictator. Nothing short of a ruthless dictator can govern ME countries. Left to their own devices the general population will get down to their age old business of chopping each other up. Its not exactly the first time we have seen this is it?


zchabj 27 Sep 2015 19:16

Iis there any truth to the rumours that Chinese troops have landed at Tartus? It is rumour, has the guardian got any info on that.

Also what about Russia, Iran, Ssyria and Iraq setting up a joint intel centre against ISIL at Baghdad.

And what of Russian troops actually fighting against rebel and ISIL forces around Aleppo and other areas already?

[Sep 27, 2015] 60 Minutes of Putin Quotes From Charlie Rose Interview

Brilliant instant reply on provocative question: "Once, somebody from the CIA told me that the training you have is important, that you learn to be liked as well. Because you have to charm people, you have to seduce them," Charlie Rose said. "Well, if the CIA told you so, then it must be true. They are experts on that," laughed the president.
I do not see full interview on YouTube. Large chunk can be found at Vladimir Putin 60 Minutes interview FULL 9-27-15 Vladimir Putin 60 minutes Interview Charlie Rose - YouTube
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Sep 27, 2015 | www.sputniknews.com

His love and pride for Russia, his pain over what is going on in Ukraine, his past as an intelligence officer and his attitude towards being called a czar – these are some of the issues brought up in Russian President Vladimir Putin's interview with American talk show host and journalist Charlie Rose.

Ahead of his much anticipated address at the 70th Session of the UN General Assembly in New York, Russian President Vladimir Putin sat down with American talk show host and journalist Charlie Rose to share his opinion on the today's hottest news topics.putin 60 minutes - 2

Putin on Ukraine:

'It is absolutely unacceptable to address issues, including controversial ones, as well as domestic issues of the former Soviet Republics through the so-called color revolutions, through coups and unconstitutional means of toppling the current government'.

Of course, Russia's closest neighbor, Ukraine, is part of the daily news agenda.

President Putin cast some light on why the Ukraine issue is such a huge problem for Russia.

"Ukraine is the closest country to us. We have always said that Ukraine is our sister country and it is true. It is not just a Slavic people, it is the closest people to Russia: we have similar languages, culture, common history, religion etc."

He also revealed what he believes is completely unacceptable for Russia.

"Addressing issues, including controversial ones, as well as domestic issues of the former Soviet Republics through the so-called colored revolutions, through coups and unconstitutional means of toppling the current government. That is absolutely unacceptable. Our partners in the United States are not trying to hide the fact that they supported those opposed to President Yanukovych."

Asked whether he believed the United States had something to do with the ousting of Yanukovych, causing him to flee to Russia, the president replied that he, in fact, knew this for sure, at the same time describing his sources.

"It is very simple. We have thousands of contacts and thousands of connections with people who live in Ukraine. And we know who had meetings and worked with people who overthrew Viktor Yanukovych, as well as when and where they did it."

"We know the ways the assistance was provided, we know how much they paid them, we know which territories and countries hosted training and how it was done, we know who the instructors were."

"We know everything. Well, actually, our US partners are not keeping it a secret."

Putin on the sovereignty of Ukraine: 'At no time in the past, now or in the future has or will Russia take any part in actions aimed at overthrowing the legitimate government.'

The Russian leader also stressed that Russia respects the sovereignty of Ukraine and Russia had not and would not take any part in any activities aimed at overthrowing the legitimate government of any country. He added that Russia would never resort to the use of the military force in such a case.

However, the president called on other countries to respect the sovereignty of other states, including Ukraine.

"Respecting the sovereignty means preventing coups, unconstitutional actions and illegitimate overthrowing of the legitimate government."

Putin on Russia's military presence in Ukraine: 'If we keep our troops on our territory on the border with some state, it is not a crime.'

The issue of Russia's military presence in Ukraine has long had the Western media in a flurry. But the Russian president explained it using the example of the US' military presence in Europe.

"US tactical nuclear weapons are in Europe, let us not forget this. Does it mean that the US has occupied Germany or that the US never stopped the occupation after World War II and only transformed the occupation troops into NATO forces?"

"And if we keep our troops on our territory on the border with some state, you see it is a crime?"

Putin on his rating and popularity: 'There is something that unites me and other citizens of Russia. It is love for our Motherland.'

The sufferings and hardships of the Second World War remain the unifying factor of the Russian nation.

"Yes, my family and my relatives as a whole suffered heavy losses during the Second World War. That is true. In my father's family there were five brothers and four of them were killed, I believe. On my mother's side the situation is much the same."

"In general, Russia suffered heavily. No doubt, we cannot forget that and we must not forget, not to accuse anyone but to ensure that nothing of the kind ever happens again."

Putin on democracy: 'There can be no democracy without observing the law and everyone must observe it – that is the most basic and important thing that we all should remember.'

The president explained that the most important thing in the country's domestic policy is to continue improving the political system so that every citizen feels that they can influence the life of the state and society, they can influence the authorities, and so that the authorities will be aware of their responsibility before those people who gave their confidence to the representatives of the authorities in the elections.

As for those tragic incidents where lives are lost, including those of journalists, unfortunately, it happens in all countries around the world, he said.

But if it occurs in Russia, the president stressed, the authorities take every step possible to ensure that the perpetrators are found, identified and punished.

There were a number of questions that made the president smile and answer light-heartedly.

Putin on the disintegration of the Soviet Union and recreation of the Soviet empire: 'The Russians have turned out to be the largest divided nation in the world nowadays.

The host's question on the disintegration of the Soviet Union and the possible recreation of a sphere of influence, which President Putin might think Russia deserves, made him smile.

"Your questions make me happy," he responded. "Somebody is always suspecting Russia of having some ambitions, there are always those who are trying to misinterpret us or keep something back."

"I did say that I see the collapse of the Soviet Union as a great tragedy of the 20th century. Do you know why? First of all, because 25 million Russian people suddenly turned out to be outside the borders of the Russian Federation."

"They used to live in one state; the Soviet Union has traditionally been called Russia, the Soviet Russia, and it was the great Russia. They used to live in one country and suddenly found themselves abroad. Can you imagine how many problems came about?"

"First, there were everyday issues, the separation of families, economic and social problems. The list is endless."

"Do you think it is normal that 25 million people, Russian people, suddenly found themselves abroad?"

"The Russians have turned out to be the largest divided nation in the world nowadays. Is that not a problem? It is not a problem for you as it is for me."

And then there were some personal questions, such as how he feels being called a czar.

The president light-heartedly answered that the title does not fit him, though he is used to being called many different things. In fact, it does not matter to him what people call him.

He also talked about his past as an intelligence officer, admitting that every stage of one's life has an impact on the person.

"Whatever we do, all the knowledge, the experience, it stays with us, we carry it, use it in one way or another. In this sense, yes, you are right - there is no such thing as a former KGB man. Once a KGB man, always a KGB man."

But then laughed while answering the host's question:

"Once, somebody from the CIA told me that the training you have is important, that you learn to be liked as well. Because you have to charm people, you have to seduce them," Charlie Rose said.

"Well, if the CIA told you so, then it must be true. They are experts on that," laughed the president.

President Putin refused to assess the President of the United States, saying he is not entitled to do that. This is up to the American people.

Finally he revealed what is most important to him.

"What is important is what you think you must do in the interests of the country, which put you in such position, such a position as the Head of the Russian State."

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[Sep 27, 2015] Putin Russia Supports Legitimate Governments, Unlike US

Sep 27, 2015 | www.newsmax.com

Russian President Vladimir Putin said in a "60 Minutes" interview aired Sunday that his country supports legitimately elected governments and accused the United States of doing the opposite in places such as Ukraine and Syria.

Correspondent Charlie Rose asked Putin specifically about his support for Syrian President Bashar Assad, whom the United States opposes.

"It's my deep belief that any actions to the contrary in order to destroy the legitimate government will create a situation which you can witness now in the other countries of the region or in other regions, for instance in Libya where all the state institutions are disintegrated," Putin said. "We see a similar situation in Iraq."

Rose said that the United States sees Assad as someone who kills his own people, but Putin argued that the United States backs terrorists in the battled because they want to overthrow Assad. The United States backs the Free Syrian Army in the three-way war between the Assad regime, the Islamic State (ISIS) and the FSA.

Putin also accused the United States of backing the overthrow of former Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych, who was friendly to Moscow.

Putin will address the United Nations on Monday, and denied he wants Russia to play a larger role in the world as a goal in itself.

"But you are in part a major power because of the nuclear weapons you have. You are a force to be reckoned with," Rose said.

"I hope so. I definitely hope so," Putin replied, laughing. "Otherwise why do we have nuclear weapons at all?"

Putin denied the belief in America that he is a czar-type figure or evil autocrat. He said he simply wants to see Russians who were split from their families be able to see each other again. Those bonds were split overnight when the old Soviet Union collapsed in the 1980s, he said.

Putin said he and President Barack Obama listen to each other after a fashion, "especially when it comes to something that doesn't go counter to our own ideas about what we should and should not do."

Rose noted that GOP presidential candidate Marco Rubio has described Putin as a gangster.

"How can I be a gangster if I worked for the KGB?" Putin asked. "Come on. That does not correspond to reality."

[Sep 27, 2015] Kiev professes itself "satisfied" with the gas price deal

Sep 27, 2015 | marknesop.wordpress.com

marknesop, September 25, 2015 at 12:34 pm

Kiev professes itself "satisfied" with the gas price negotiated in the deal, in which the fact that Ukraine's gas supply will be entirely paid for by Europe is spun as a victory for Naftogaz and Demchysin personally, after he wrestled Russia into submission and made them drop their prices.

"As customers, we're interested in a lower price". Dear God, you could laugh until you died. As customers who have to beg our boss for money because we're broke, we're interested in at least the appearance of being in control of something. Anything.

marknesop, September 25, 2015 at 3:22 pm
Ha, ha, ha!! If you were thinking "Nord Stream II in Ukrainian Perspective" could be summarized as "Wahhhh!!! I Went Crazy And Now Russia Won't Talk To Me!" crackpottery, you would be right.

Standout points are (1) Raising transit fees is normal procedure when transit volumes drop, and (2) Ukraine's transit system will register a net loss if transit drops below 40 BCm a year. The volume in 2015, while Ukraine is still being used as a transit country, is expected to top out at 51 BCm.

I would say the writing is on the wall there, and the message does not…ummm…look positive for Ukraine. You pissed in the pickles one time too often. Notably, however, although some of the reduced transit volume is due to Europe taking less gas, a stronger limiting factor is more gas being sent through Nord Stream. You can see why Europe was desperate to stop South Stream, and why it is now trying out a tough-guy approach as if it can force Russia to continue using Ukraine as a transit country, to a background of despairing wails from Ukraine.

[Sep 26, 2015] Wild card Trevor Noah ready to revamp the Daily Show with an outsider twist

Sep 26, 2015 | www.theguardian.com

Speaking at a press breakfast to launch the new Daily Show, which starts on Monday 28 September, the South African comedian said he would use his position as an outsider in the US to look at some of the more bizarre elements of the country's political system without preconceptions.

... ... ...

Jon Stewart's final year in charge at the Daily Show saw the programme win three Emmys for outstanding variety talk series, outstanding writing for a variety series and outstanding directing for a variety series.

[Sep 26, 2015] The City Of London Has Turned Britain Into A Civilized Mafia State

"... Property in this country is a haven for the proceeds of international crime. The head of the National Crime Agency, Donald Toon, notes that "the London property market has been skewed by laundered money. Prices are being artificially driven up by overseas criminals who want to sequester their assets here in the UK." ..."
"... The City is a semi-offshore state, a bit like the UK's crown dependencies and overseas territories, tax havens legitimised by the Privy Council. Britain's financial secrecy undermines the tax base while providing a conduit into the legal economy for gangsters, kleptocrats and drug barons. ..."
"... Yep. Socialism for us. Feudalism for the people. Because.....we're too big to fail. "They gotcha by the balls -- " - George Carlin ..."
"... London is an independent city-state, with mafia owners going back 1000+ years. Website admits it's a corporation http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/Pages/default.aspx ..."
"... assassination politics: http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/11/18/meet-the-assassinat... ..."
"... I'm not sure that author actually knows what he is talking about. "The City" has nothing do with domestic UK money laundering in real estate, because no one with money actually lives in "the City." They generally live in the West End or on country estates- that's the real estate that is being used to launder money. And the City is hardly the UK's only tax haven for corporations -- Jersey, Guernsey and Isle of Man are all short puddle jumper flights from LCY, and if you want to use long haul flights out of Heathrow- the list of Crown dependencies and overseas territories serving as tax havens is almost endless... the Cayman Islands, British Virgin Islands and the Bermuda Triangle being the most familiar to Americans trying to lose fiat in boating accidents. ..."
"... "What Do You Think of Western Civilization?" "I Think It Would Be a Good Idea" -- Gandhi
"...London is now the global money-laundering centre for the drug trade, says crime expert ..."
"... It's a big club and we ain't in it...... R.I.P. George Carlin ..."
"... "The City" = croupier and enforcer of the global casino. ..."
"... The lesson - a financial sector without a commensurate sized industrial base will rapidly evolve into organised crime. ..."
Sep 10, 2015 | Zero Hedge
Submitted by Mike Krieger via Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

While an earlier post related to the likely bursting of the London real estate bubble, this one highlights a blistering critique of the role the City of London has played in transforming Great Britain into what George Monbiot calls a "civilized mafia state." But that's just an appetizer. This extremely well written and information article is a must read for anyone still in the dark regarding London's central role within the global financial crime syndicate.

Here are a few excerpts from the Guardian:

To an extent unknown since before the first world war, economic relations in this country are becoming set in stone. It is not just that the very rich no longer fall while the very poor no longer rise. It's that the system itself is protected from risk. Through bailouts, quantitative easing and delays in interest-rate rises, speculative investment has been so well cushioned that – as the Guardian economics editor, Larry Elliott, puts it – financial markets are "one of the last bastions of socialism left on Earth".

Public services, infrastructure, the very fabric of the nation: these too are being converted into risk-free investments. Social cleansing is transforming central London into an exclusive economic zone for property speculation. From a dozen directions, government policy converges on this objective.

Property in this country is a haven for the proceeds of international crime. The head of the National Crime Agency, Donald Toon, notes that "the London property market has been skewed by laundered money. Prices are being artificially driven up by overseas criminals who want to sequester their assets here in the UK."

It's hardly surprising, given the degree of oversight. Private Eye has produced a map of British land owned by companies registered in offshore tax havens. The holdings amount to 1.2m acres, including much of the country's prime real estate. Among those it names as beneficiaries are a cast of Russian oligarchs, oil sheikhs, British aristocrats and newspaper proprietors. These are the people for whom government policy works – and the less regulated the system that enriches them, the happier they are.

The speculative property market is just one current in the great flow of cash that sluices through Britain while scarcely touching the sides. The financial sector exploits an astonishing political privilege: the City of London is the only jurisdiction in the UK not fully subject to the authority of parliament. In fact, the relationship seems to work the other way. Behind the Speaker's chair in the House of Commons sits the Remembrancer, whose job is to ensure that the interests of the City of London are recognised by the elected members. (A campaign to rescind this privilege – Don't Forget the Remembrancer – will be launched very soon.)

The City is a semi-offshore state, a bit like the UK's crown dependencies and overseas territories, tax havens legitimised by the Privy Council. Britain's financial secrecy undermines the tax base while providing a conduit into the legal economy for gangsters, kleptocrats and drug barons.

Even the more orthodox financial institutions deploy a succession of scandalous practices: pension mis-selling, endowment mortgage fraud, the payment protection insurance con, Libor rigging. A former minister in the last government, Lord Green, ran HSBC while it engaged in money laundering for drug gangs, systematic tax evasion and the provision of services to Saudi and Bangladeshi banks linked to the financing of terrorists. Sometimes the UK looks to me like an ever so civilised mafia state.

The government also insists that there is no link between political donations and seats in the House of Lords. But a study by researchersat Oxford University found that the probability of so many major donors arriving there by chance is 1.36 x 10-38: roughly "equivalent to entering the National Lottery and winning the jackpot 5 times in a row". Why does the Lords remain unreformed? Because it permits plutocratic power to override democracy. Both rich and poor are kept in their place.

Governed either by or on behalf of the people who fleece us, we cannot be surprised to discover that all public services are being re-engineered for the benefit of private capital. Nor should we be surprised when governments help to negotiate, without public consent, treaties such as the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership and the Comprehensive Economic and Trade Agreement, which undermine the sovereignty of both parliament and the law. Aesop's observation, that "we hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office", remains true in spirit, though hanging has been replaced by community payback.

Wherever you sniff in British public life, something stinks: I could fill this site with examples. But, while every pore oozes corruption, our task, we are told, is merely to trim the nails of the body politic.

To fail to confront this system is to collaborate with it.

Most people don't want to face this, but it's undeniably true.

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Yep. Socialism for us. Feudalism for the people. Because.....we're too big to fail. "They gotcha by the balls -- " - George Carlin

JoeSexPack

London is an independent city-state, with mafia owners going back 1000+ years. Website admits it's a corporation http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/Pages/default.aspx

Short vid explains.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrObZ_HZZUc

Why matters? The square mile is home to Bank of England (private corp), HQ of Freemasons & branch offices of all major banks on Earth. It is center of world finance, & has been for centuries. Privately-owned Bank of E was model later replicated with FED, ECB, WB, IMF & most others.

US revolutionary War was fought to fee US from having to use Bank of E's debt notes. Sound familiar? We're back there now. Same struggle against same institutions.

KnuckleDragger-X

If you read about the history of London, you'll notice it has always been a very bizarre and screwed up place. They are now reaching their Nirvana of fucked uppedness.....

two hoots

What they can no longer do with their Dutch East India Company and with the by-gone reach of the Empire they do in the M A Rothschild tradition with their global financial tenacles

Chuck Knoblauch

Civilized assassins needed.

sleigher

assassination politics: http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/11/18/meet-the-assassinat...

lawyer4anarchists

Of course the author is right. And of course this has always been the case, it is not new. The problem we have in this country is that the people have the laughable notion that there is some magical time to "go back to" where the "constitution and it's rights" were the law. lol. The people are so lost. The constitution is not what people think. It is there to enslave you. It was never a source of freedom. Until they wake up and realize this fact, well... they will keep getting what they are getting. http://www.thetruthaboutthelaw.com/the-peoples-case-for-what-happened-at...

Urban Redneck

I'm not sure that author actually knows what he is talking about. "The City" has nothing do with domestic UK money laundering in real estate, because no one with money actually lives in "the City." They generally live in the West End or on country estates -- that's the real estate that is being used to launder money. And the City is hardly the UK's only tax haven for corporations -- Jersey, Guernsey and Isle of Man are all short puddle jumper flights from LCY, and if you want to use long haul flights out of Heathrow -- the list of Crown dependencies and overseas territories serving as tax havens is almost endless... the Cayman Islands, British Virgin Islands and the Bermuda Triangle being the most familiar to Americans trying to lose fiat in boating accidents.

Peribanu

Unlike the Yanks, we Brits don't have a constitution written down from first principles. Our "constitution" is the body of laws of the country, but it goes back so far that any contemporary changes are minor, superficial, and irrelevant. Many of the formal institutional powers in the country are the unfortunate but necessary result of a compromise between landowning aristocrats of old and the bourgeoisie who wanted a slice of the cake. The workers are merely tolerated. The internal mafia are the oh-so-very-refined aristocracy, whose heads were never cut off unlike in France, together with the rather uncouth capitalists and self-made money men, who are also tolerated, since someone has to provide one with an income, ideally by devising ways to get the workers to pay 90%-100% of their income back to us as rent. The other mafia are the rich foreigners -- Russian oligarchs, and the "persecuted" rich of the world, who are allowed to reside in Britain on condition that: a) they bring in lots of lovely "investments"; and b) don't get involved, at least publicly, in any of that unnecessary "politics" that goes on overseas. In Britain we long ago abolished politics. The commoners come and go with their naive belief that they can actually change things, while the core institutions of the country are unchanging and eternal: Eton, Oxford, Cambridge, the Civil Service, MI5, MI6, the BBC, and, of course, the Monarchy. God Save the Queen! (Or should I call her the Godmother?)

q99x2

The scum of the world all located in one place. How convenient is that. Won't be long before they start going after one another. Then poof.

JustObserving

Re: The City Of London Has Turned Britain Into A "Civilized Mafia State"

Civilized?

"What Do You Think of Western Civilization?" "I Think It Would Be a Good Idea" -- Gandhi

London is now the global money-laundering centre for the drug trade, says crime expert

The City of London is the money-laundering centre of the world's drug trade, according to an internationally acclaimed crime expert.

UK banks and financial services have ignored so-called "know your customer" rules designed to curb criminals' abilities to launder the proceeds of crime, Roberto Saviano warned. Mr Saviano, author of the international bestseller Gomorrah, which exposed the workings of the Neapolitan crime organisation Camorra, said: "The British treat it as not their problem because there aren't corpses on the street."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/london-is-now-the-global-mone...

London: A giant washing machine for the filthy cash of a corrupt elite: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/london-giant-washing-machine-filthy-cash-corrup...
Calculus99

London: The money laundering capital of the world.

Fear not though because Prime Minister Cameron has said he's going to stamp down on it especially the offshore companies that are buying up all the property. BWHAHAHAHAHA.

ThroxxOfVron

...& Obama's new Affirmative Action figurehead at the DOJ has agreed with her underlings that since it is now well past the Statute Of Limitations for prosecuting anything even vaguely related to the fraud-induced economic disaster which culminated in the interbank and equities markets implosions that it is time 'to get touch on White Collar Crime.'

Dr. Engali

It's a big club and we ain't in it...... R.I.P. George Carlin

Salah

Been that way since their founders escaped from the Pope & the King of France, 10/13/1307

https://lordmayorsshow.london/history/gog-and-magog

Jonathan Living...

I'm fascinated by The City - so much of British law seems so weird ~ even just the status of Wales, which is in some ways its own country within the UK, some ways just part of England, but they have their own Parliament.

Anyway there's always google, but if anyone has come across any particularly good articles or books on the subject of the City's history and status, please share the wealth.

I wonder if, like our Electoral college, most people would agree it should be abolished but most people simply dont know about it.

22winmag

Let's dismantle Miami and sell it off in order to fund the criminal prosecution and incarceration of the CIA scum and drug runners who built that city thanks to decades of drug smuggling and money laundering. Then we move on to D.C.

Salah

No, make NYC & Long Island a US "City-State", but with no US Congressional representation, or taxation, or US financial insurance guarantees or citizenship.

1 crash later, they'll clean-up mightily and be a little Dubai.

jcdenton

We do have $100 BILLION for that on the way ..

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/01/11/another-thwarted-attempt-to-hija...

Another major disbursement scheduled is 100 Billion USD to set up an ongoing special Task Force to investigate and prosecute organized crime and government and corporate corruption at any level.

... Funds were disbursed on December 15, 2014 ...

https://app.box.com/s/hfgvcqg7gqh7i27at6sv53ywu87lwarp (see file with interview dated Dec. 3, 2014)

youngman

Well they still have a Royal Family...go figure......and remember any news or numbers that come out of London are probably wrong... Faked...or just fixed....they cheat well there

rufus66

Meanwhile in the news today, Revenue Canada uncovers something fishy regarding between kpmg's Great Britain connection and rich clients ......

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/kpmg-offshore-sham-deceived-tax-authorit...

Solio

"So it just means that more of the tax burden is borne by the middle class."

What middle class?!!

Calculus99

The difference between Miami and London is Miami knows it's bent. London likes to hide/forget and think/preach it's honest.

homebody

This will be fixed by adding 800,000 economic refugees from Syria and Africa

XRAYD

London has always been thus ... from the age of Dickens, and the Colonial Empire Head Office - now masquerading as the "Commonwealth"!

NotApplicable

Indeed.

It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair, we had everything before us, we had nothing before us, we were all going direct to heaven, we were all going direct the other way - in short, the period was so far like the present period, that some of its noisiest authorities insisted on its being received, for good or for evil, in the superlative degree of comparison only.

Salah

"The City" = croupier and enforcer of the global casino.

1. Look for things to "break apart", i.e. Ottoman Empire, Hapsburg Empire, Russian Empire, Spanish Empire, USSR, et al

2. Look for things to "put together", i.e. USA, Chile (sans Bolivia on the Pacific), South Africa, Rhodesia, Oz, NZ, Hong Kong, Singapore, et al

They've been working this biz-model since the North Sea Knights Templars escaped the big deception in 1307

JessieSharpton

Ah the knights templar, the prototypical pre Rothschild banking mafia incarnation.

SillySalesmanQu...

Just my own personal observation here, but what do these three things have in common, why and who created them in the first place?

Most bad shit that happens to average people seem to emanate from:

1. Vatican City

2. City of London

3. Washington D.C.

Chosenpeople

Britain has become a classic dystopian state. They have cameras everywhere, and I mean everywhere. The state runs and controls everything. The place is swarming with foreigners, it is difficult to find a white Englishman in London. Britain is dead.

ajax

London became the mega-city in "Blade Runner" instead of L.A.

umblemore

Before the banking mafia looted Britain's industrial base and shipped it offshore industry was the dominant power and although the City was part crooked it was also kept part functional as a utility for industry.

Over the last 30 years or so since they offshored all the industry the financial power has become completely dominant and completely criminal. To a certain extent the London branches of the Wall St banks are where they do their dirtiest deeds because it's easier to get away with in London.

The lesson - a financial sector without a commensurate sized industrial base will rapidly evolve into organised crime.

MSimon

For several Centuries Brit banks have been running the dope racket.

You might recall "Opium Wars" or if you want to be modern - NATO in Afghanistan.

jcdenton

Next, we will have the courage to write about Dachau?

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/05/04/neo-so-much-more-than-nukes/

MSimon

Since 1840 - at least

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-09-07/bed-despotic-house-saud#comment...

MSimon

The Brits have been at it for a long time: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-09-07/bed-despotic-house-saud#comment...

[Sep 26, 2015] British Think Tank Complains Russia Might Harm al-Qaeda in Syria

Sep 26, 2015 | news.antiwar.com
September 25, 2015 | Antiwar.com

Says Harm to al-Qaeda Means They'd Be 'Helping ISIS'

A new report from British think tank the Royal United Services Institute (RUSI) is warning that Russia's involvement in the Syrian civil war could "help ISIS" in the long run, ironically using the same arguments used against the US when it first started bombing Syria.

Russia's current operations in Syria are centered around the Latakia coast, and while they have made it clear they intend to help Syria fight against ISIS and other extremist groups, the group closest to Latakia is not ISIS, but rather al-Qaeda. That means, according to RUSI, Russia is liable to harm al-Qaeda, which is now a "bad thing."

When the US launched its war in Syria late last year, they went after al-Qaeda with some of their airstrikes, which sparked condemnation for rebel factions who argued that al-Qaeda is part of the side the US is supposed to be helping. The US seems to be increasingly on board with that, with former Gen. David Petraeus openly endorsing al-Qaeda as the US ally of choice. Turkey has already been backing al-Qaeda against Syria for some time.

Indeed, it seems that much of the aversion to Russia's plan to fight ISIS by getting Syria's government and secular rebels together really centers on keeping the Islamist rebel factions, suddenly anointed as the good guys, on the outside looking in.

[Sep 26, 2015] Fascism and Neoconservative Rep4ublicans

March 25th, 2010 | Populist Daily

The word "Fascist" as with the terms "Socialist" and "Communist" are thrown around a lot by people who have no idea what they mean. If you want to know what those terms really mean, find someone who was in some branch of military counterintelligence, the CIA, the security section of the State Department, Defense Intelligence, or in the FBI.

In all those areas, the first day of basic training involves comparative forms of government. You can't spot a Communist if you don't know what a Communist is. You can't tell the difference between a Communist and a Fascist unless you know the difference in the two systems. It is Intelligence, and more specifically, Counterintelligence 101.

So, let's go right to Fascism. A Fascist is one who believes in a corporatist society. In other words, it is a political philosophy embodying very strong central government, with the authority to move in decisive steps to accomplish goals. It would be characterized by a unity of purpose, with more or less all the levels of the hierarchy in unison, starting at the top and working down. It is a top-down government involving an alliance of industry, military, media and a political party.

Because Fascism has been associated with the 1930s German Nazis, the Italian Fascists under Mussolini and the Falangists, under the Spanish Dictator, Francisco Franco, the term "Fascist" has taken on a sinister meaning. Not fewer than 10 million direct deaths resulting from the rule of these three may have something to do with it. On the other hand, philosophies don't kill people; people kill people.

It is interesting to note that at least two of the three Parties had origins as Socialist and morphed into strong, Right Wing, authoritarian rules as a result largely of expediency. It is also interesting to note that all three were not only intimately connected to the largest industrial corporations, but as soon as possible with the military leadership. While Fascism as a political philosophy is not innately evil, given the results, it is worth noting how things turned out.

Both the German and the Italian Fascist parties were also both revolutionary and conservative at the same time. Both Adolph Hitler and Benito Mussolini were aggressive, anarchic leaders. Both served time in jail. Both served in the enlisted ranks with the military in war. Both used that experience to organize mobs of thugs to agitate against an established government, not for a more democratic regime, but for a more authoritarian one. You can begin to see some similarities with contemporary political activities.

As soon as they took power, which they did partially through gangs and mobs, intimidation and demonstrations and-in Mussolini's case an outright coup-they allied themselves with the biggest corporations and the military general staff. In addition, even before taking complete power, they began to wrest control of the media away from other political parties, and to use it for their own propaganda.

Once they had control of the radio and newspapers, which were then the prominent sources of information, they could begin to broadcast their messages. Hitler's "Big Lie" basically blamed rampant inflation and lack of jobs on the Jews. He blamed all their economic ills on the restraint of Germany by other nations and the presumed taking over of German lands (which they themselves had only won through aggressive wars.)

But let's for a minute assume that we know nothing about Fascism except that it exists. We have a group, here in America that believes in a corporatist political philosophy. What would that look like? If it were a true Fascist organization, they would ally themselves with big corporations, like the health care industry, oil and mining, pharmaceuticals, media corporations and the military-industrial complex.

They would try to control the message, particularly in radio and television. They would become as closely allied with the top military brass as possible, offering them a seat at the table in the running of the economy. Retired Generals would be assured of positions involved with military hardware and strategic planning.

And what about the people? In a fascist system, the whole idea is to have an efficient method of getting things done. If you want to build an "autobahn" you simply tell the transportation minister to get started. You control everything at every level. It will go faster because it is for the good of all the people, so no one will have the right to object or interfere. It is, Fascists would say, about efficiency, getting things done for the people.

Defense is about protecting the people. You attack other countries so that they cannot attack you. You start wars (Iraq) to prevent dangerous men from attacking you. It makes sense. Military efficiency in a Fascist state means that if the top guy (President or Dictator) wants to be absolutely certain that no other country is superior, he can build up the military industry and the military at any pace or at any cost.

In a Fascist state the idea is to have one set of rules, coming from the top down. No one votes as an individual, only as a part of the group that is assigned a task. It is corporate, total-totalitarian. So, if you decide that a national health care program is not right for the country, you all vote against it in a totally militaristic way. Everyone salutes and follows the lead from the top down. The only problem is when you do not have a strong leader.

The Democrats, for example, want to farm decisions out to others, let the opposition have their input. It slows the process. A Fascist health care program would be one decided upon by the President, discussed and worked out with the corporations, mandated to his staffs and enacted without any discussion or public debate in a matter of a few months.

In a Fascist state, policy is largely being written through a cooperative effort with the industries involved, in this case the health care industry. The slow, ragged, messy and Democratic process involved with our current health care reform process would never happen under a Fascist government. Whatever the decision, there would be no appeal. If a million or fifty million were left out, because, let's say, that the President needed more money for war machines that would be the decision- with no question or appeal.

So, if you want efficiency, you not only should you look to the Republicans, but you may have no choice. The Republicans, remember, have the complete support of Fox News, the Fox television Network, the Wall Street Journal, the New York Post, and any number of television stations around the country, plus somewhere between 600 and 1600 radio stations on which literally 9 out of 10 commentators are paid by those network owners to be Conservative (Neoconservative Republican.) They have expanded to very large numbers of web site bases, delivering whatever type of information they want, truth, lies, anything in between… accusations without proof…Socialist, Communist, government takeover of this or that…no need to be truthful. It is all propaganda.

Just as Herr Goebbels and Mussolini did in the 1930s-and except in the Communist counties and a few Latin American dictatorships there hasn't been anything to speak of similar to this in the Western advanced societies since then-the unchallenged message of the Right Wing goes out. The radio commentators today get their message from the top, from the Republican Party. Fox News Channel internal memos have shown that they literally decide what policies the Republican Party wished to champion, and then they attack rather than merely delivering the news.

So do we need to be civil about it-about these lies? Is it important to challenge people, like these Right Wing commentators who tell you that your current health care is sufficient? It is good for corporations, for health care insurance companies. But is it good for you not to be sure you can get health insurance? So if they tell you that something is a government takeover and it is not, so you vote against health care or you respond to a poll in a way that is against your own best interests…do you need to be civil about being lied to? You shouldn't be lied to by media. You need the truth, the facts, to make decisions.

It is a pretty simple answer. Should you be civil to people who lie to you and urge you to buy something that turns out to hurt you, or your family, or cause you to lose your job, or kill your sister, brother, neighbor? If I lie to you and say it is safe to swim across the channel and you are attacked by sharks that I knew were there…should you not care? This is what is happening, right now…today. In the consumer products market, we call that fraud and companies can be criminally liable.

So let's describe what a Fascist government or a political party attempting to introduce a Fascist government would look like and see if either or any of our political parties fits that description:

Allies with big corporations, planning strategy together, interchangeable.

Works to have control of the political process at all levels, starting with the top down.

Does not cooperate with and actually tries to undermine other political parties.

Uses mobs and demonstrations, and attempts to make individuals working in other parties afraid of violent reactions.

Advocates ownership of weapons as a fear factor to intimidate others. (Wayne La Pierre…"the people with the guns make the rules.")

Decides what is best for all citizens based on what corporations want.

Uses "big lie" propaganda technique, of top-down distributed propaganda message for each issue.

Allies with military on most issues, with ultra-aggressive military posture.

Total control of the political process is the ultimate goal.

If any of this seems familiar to you, then you see something "Fascist" in the current political process. Of course, one thing that wasn't mentioned. Fascists always need someone to stigmatize. In Germany, it was the Jews. In Italy it was the Socialists. In Spain it was the Communists. It seems clear that, in this country it is the Democrats.

The Neocons are out of power, but they are unrelenting in their efforts to control as much of the political discourse as possible, no matter how damaging to society. They bring mobs and riff-raff out, some with guns, trying to scare the average citizen. They send messages out over radio with lunatic commentators, some who are not even allowed to visit other countries because of their hate speech…yet we tolerate it.

We even allow asininely preposterous lies from a possibly psychotic television commentator…to be used to stoke the race-hatred of many tea party members, and thugs against a distinguished African-American President who won 54% of the vote, the largest since Ronald Reagan and who also won the Nobel Peace Prize.

The case is pretty clear. The Neoconservative Republicans are headed for Fascism if they are not there already. The latest round of insults, threats, lies, window breakings all contribute to the evidence. Sooner or later this totalitarian attitude will either be denounced or will have serious responses. One thing is sure, with the problems facing our country, we cannot afford the kind of anarchist attacks as were exhibited in the bombing of a Federal building in Oklahoma City or the flying of an aircraft into a building housing an IRS office.

This radical, violent, arrogant Fascist attitude has to stop. The first step in preventing this kind of political outcome is to identify and react to Fascism when it appears. Neoconservative Republicanism is Fascism. Republicans must return to sanity or be treated as a very dangerous and radical political party.

what is the difference between neocons and neofascists Yahoo Answers

Best Answer:

Not much. Neocons don't dress up in silly uniforms, neo fascists probably do and practice funny salutes when they think no-one is looking.

Joaquin B · 8 years ago

neocons are the new conservatives of the Cheney/Bush/Karl Rove school. These people bleeds the country of its resources in corporate welfare. In other words, they would give all sorts of money and incentives to corporations such as Halliburton and big oil companies at our expenses. They would like to impose a fascist system like thee ones of the early 20th century in Italy and Germany and it is been tried at this time in China..

Neofascists are those who would like the early 20th century geopolitical model. I would think that the Chinese government edges on this type of model. The Chinese call themselves communist yet they have a pseudo-free enterprise system with no democracy and total repression.

Lucky for the American people, we have waken up just in time to undo the damage done to our country from our once prestigious Republican Party.

Paranormal I · 8 years ago

The difference is that neoconservatism uses the language of democracy and freedom while neofascism openly admit they want the opposite. Otherwise they are quite similar. Including the fact that originally, they came from the Left from which they converted to rightwing politics.

[Sep 26, 2015] Tony Benns Ten Minute History of Neoliberalism

People in debt are slaves to their employees. That's how neoliberalism works.
"... Regarding Thatcher's scheme of encouraging people to take on too much debt to buy houses even as her govt undermined wages; Reagan and co did the same in the US. 20-30-year-olds were encouraged to spend more for housing, and banks encouraged to lend more for housing than the traditional lending formula allowed, because (they were told) incomes for the young would only keep rising, just as their parents incomes had kept rising. The young were told they could pre-pay for their inevitable future prosperity by taking on too much debt. At the same time Reagan and co were undermining wages for most workers.
Sep 26, 2015 | naked capitalism

And not only is Benn's speech refreshingly direct, it's inspiring to see how energetic he was at the age of 83. And I agree with him on the importance of anger and hope. Anger is depicted as a very bad emotion to have, at least here in America, and the resulting self-censorship stifles dissent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=158&v=qX-P4mx1FLU

Published on Aug 6, 2012

Tony Benn - 10 min History Lesson for Neoliberals

See more Tony Benn videos and other great speeches at http://www.counterfire.org

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"Tony Benn | People Before Profit | the Budget | Nov 24 2008" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPREZ... Adrian Counsins https://www.youtube.com/user/adycousins

Great stuff man genuine feeling in it!

Homage to Tony Benn rap by Dan Bull: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y76us...

Eulogy Galloway: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYPea...

"An MP is the only job where you have 70,000 employers, and only one employee."

"It's the same each time with progress. First they ignore you, then they say you're mad, then dangerous, then there's a pause and then you can't find anyone who disagrees with you."

"The Marxist analysis has got nothing to do with what happened in Stalin's Russia: it's like blaming Jesus Christ for the Inquisition in Spain."

"I'm not frightened about death. I don't know why, but I just feel that at a certain moment your switch is switched off, and that's it. And you can't do anything about it."

"Making mistakes is part of life. The only things I would feel ashamed of would be if I had said things I hadn't believed in order to get on. Some politicians do do that."

"I've got four lovely children, ten lovely grandchildren, and I left parliament to devote more time to politics, and I think that what is really going on in Britain is a growing sense of alienation. People don't feel anyone listens to them."

"If one meets a powerful person - Rupert Murdoch, perhaps, or Joe Stalin or Hitler - one can ask five questions: what power do you have; where did you get it; in whose interests do you exercise it; to whom are you accountable; and, how can we get rid of you? Anyone who cannot answer the last of those questions does not live in a democratic system."

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Mark P. September 26, 2015 at 5:04 am

Aneurin Bevan, primary founder of the NHS, during speech at the Manchester Labour rally 4 July 1948 –

'…no amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party …. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin. They condemned millions of first-class people to semi-starvation.

'Now the Tories are pouring out money into propaganda of all sorts and are hoping by this organised sustained mass suggestion to eradicate from our minds all memory of what we went through. But, I warn you, young men and women, do not listen to what they are saying now … I warn you they have not changed, or if they have they are slightly worse than they were.'

TheCatSaid, September 26, 2015 at 7:59 am

Amazing talk–clear, powerful, direct, and well-grounded in Benn's many years of personal experience. His perspective on Thatcher's policies is eye-opening, and his perspective on British politics in general.

Does anyone know what event he spoke at, and when? The link doesn't say.

Brooklin Bridge, September 26, 2015 at 8:42 am

Well, hew was born in 1925 and he talked about 80 years ago when he was 3 so he probably gave this talk sometime around 2008.

Brooklin Bridge, September 26, 2015 at 9:06 am

People Before Profit Alternative Economic summit , Nov 24, 2008

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPREZNbITH8&list=PL2227023797EAE9CF

ben, September 26, 2015 at 8:00 am

I call the self-censorship "American positivism" which is a great play by the elite. The poor, in the face of overwhelming evidence, somehow try to "be positive". They also censor others who complain.

It's an amazing system.

Synoia, September 26, 2015 at 9:58 am

Your so called "self-censorship" is driven by the press, in their role of propaganda distribution.

As in: The lying liars, lied again.

Synoia, September 26, 2015 at 9:55 am

What Benn does not address was the tremendous amount of Labor (Worker) strife in the 50s, 60s and 70s, and the cause of the strife.

I will quote a socialist song, the Red Flag:

The Working Class can kiss my arse
I've got the foreman's job at last

Enterprises get the Unions they deserve. If the management is toxic, so is the worker sentiment.

My experience in graduating and going to work for a major Bank in the UK, was such a revelation I never again worked for British management.

No only do the working people need unions, the working people need to believe the management care about both the customers and the workers in an enterprise. Contempt for both customers and workers become a cancer on society, and is, in my opinion a hallmark of our large enterprise who serve citizens.

Management needs to be answerable to its employees, because employees have more invested, their lives, that shareholders. Money is liquid, livelihood, employment, is not.

Examples: Walmart, large Banks, BP, Volkswagen, Centralized Government….

As a side note, Benn's comments on spending are completely in harmony with the monetary part of MMT, but not with its treatment of trade, tariffs and local production, which are complete nonsense.

flora, September 26, 2015 at 12:14 pm

"Every single generation has to fight the same battles again and again and again. There's no final victory and no final defeat. And therefore, a little bit of history may help." -Benn

Thanks for this post.

flora, September 26, 2015 at 2:12 pm

Regarding Thatcher's scheme of encouraging people to take on too much debt to buy houses even as her govt undermined wages; Reagan and co did the same in the US. 20-30-year-olds were encouraged to spend more for housing, and banks encouraged to lend more for housing than the traditional lending formula allowed, because (they were told) incomes for the young would only keep rising, just as their parents incomes had kept rising. The young were told they could pre-pay for their inevitable future prosperity by taking on too much debt. At the same time Reagan and co were undermining wages for most workers.

Now 20-30-year-olds are being told that they can pre-pay for their inevitable future prosperity by taking on too much debt for college educations. It's the same con.

skippy, September 26, 2015 at 4:28 pm

Did someone say Thatcher and Reagan – ???????????

Liberation Theologies, Postmodernity and the Americas

By David Batstone, Eduardo Mendieta, Lois Ann Lorentzen, Dwight N. Hopkins

"In 1985 David Stockman. who came from a fundamentalist back-ground, resigned from his position as chief of budget for Regan's government and he published a book entitled "the Triumph of Politics. He reproached Reagan for having been a traitor to the clean model of neoliberalism and for having favored populism. Stockmans.s book develops a neoliberally positioned academic theology, that does not denounce utopias, but presents neoliberalism as the only efficient and realistic means to realized them. It attacks the socialist "utopias" in order to reclaim them in favor of the attempted neoliberal realism. according to Stockman, it is not the utopia that threatens, but the false utopia against which he contrasts his "realist utopia of neoliberalism."

Michel Camdessus, Secretary General of the IMF, echoes the transformed theology of the empire grounding it in certain key theses of liberation theology. In a conference on March 27, 1992 he directed the National Congress of French Christian Impresarios in Lille Mid discussion he summaries his central theological theses:

Surely the Kingdom is a place: these new Heavens and this new earth of which we are called to enter one day, a sublime promise; but the Kingdom is in some way geographical, the Reign is History, a history in which we are the actors, one which is in process and that is close to us since Jesus came into human history. The Reign is what happens when God is King and we recognize Him as such, and we make possible the extension, spreading of this reign, like a spot of oil, impregnating, renewing and unifying human realities. Let Thy Kingdom come…." – read on

Page – 38, 39, 40

Skippy…. this is why some stare at walls…. better option…

Paul Tioxon, September 26, 2015 at 1:42 pm

Benn said that just as in war, we should in peace time do whatever is necessary for our economic well being. This is an echo of the great public intellectual William James, whose famously pronounced that we need the moral equivalent of war in politics to serve the public interest to eradicate social problems and create widespread prosperity. Jimmy Carter repeated this phrase, the moral equivalent of war, in trying to marshal the energy of society to snap out of the 1970s stagflation and national malaise.

From The Moral Equivalent of War:

"I spoke of the "moral equivalent" of war. So far, war has been the only force that can discipline a whole community, and until and equivalent discipline is organized, I believe that war must have its way. But I have no serious doubt that the ordinary prides and shames of social man, once developed to a certain intensity, are capable of organizing such a moral equivalent as I have sketched, or some other just as effective for preserving manliness of type. It is but a question of time, of skillful propogandism, and of opinion-making men seizing historic opportunities."

http://www.constitution.org/wj/meow.htm

Masonboro, September 26, 2015 at 3:23 pm

Every generation must fight it's own battles. Another politician held the same view:

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.

The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. …

And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

It is its natural manure."

Thomas Jefferson

[Sep 26, 2015] Putin and Xi rock da house4

Sep 26, 2015 | Asia Times

Pope Francis may be the rock star. But once again, the real heart of the action is all about Russia and China - those prime "threats" to Exceptionalistan, according to the Pentagon.

... ... ...

So this is what Putin accomplished even before Obama saw the light and decided to talk:

1) Forget about a Libya-remixed NATO war on Syria. 2) Forget about a Sultan Erdogan-driven no-fly zone over areas controlled by Damascus. 3) Out with the old world order. This is how the emerging new world order should work, and Russia is also driving it.

Putin's speech on Monday at the UN General Assembly will be about "the joint struggle against terrorism" (as branded by TASS). One should expect abundant apoplexy, much more than perplexity, all across the Washington/New York axis.

Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, last Sunday on Russian TV, already clarified the themes at the heart of the speech; the unipolar world order, and the absolute necessity of the "joint struggle against terrorism," which" must be waged without double standards."

Lavrov was very sharp when referring to" unilateral coercive measures" - and not only as far as Russia is concerned. In his own words:

"Nowadays, you know, our Western partners, primarily, under the influence, perhaps, of American mentality, are losing in general the culture of a dialogue and the culture of achieving diplomatic solutions. The Iranian nuclear program was a bright – and even very bright – exception. In most other cases – in conflicts that continue to flare up in the Middle East, in North Africa – they try to resort to measures of military intervention, as was the case in Iraq and Libya, in violation of UN Security Council decisions, or to resort to sanctions."

Expect Putin to talk about all of it in detail. But the showstopper will be, predictably, Putin on Syria. In Lavrov's words:

"We have declared that we will be helping the Syrian leaders, as we help the Iraqi leaders, or the leaders of other countries who are facing the threat of terrorism. And our military-technical cooperation pursues exactly these objectives. Of course, the supplies of arms [by Russia], they have been going on, they are going on [now] and they will continue. Their [supplies] are inevitably accompanied by our specialists that help put the according equipment up, help to train Syrian [military] personnel to handle these weapons and there are absolutely no mysteries and no secrets [in all of this]."

And yes, Putin will call the usual suspects - from Turkey to the GCC petrodollar gang - to help Assad "without indoctrinations or double standards" in the fight against ISIS/ISIL/Daesh. And he will demonstrate how the refugee crisis was not created by Assad, but by the fake "Caliphate." As far as these refugees from the Sykes-Picot-smashed Middle East are concerned, it's up to the EU to deal with them. In Lavrov's words:

"Russia has been fulfilling all her obligations under the international conventions. All those who fall under the category of refugees, we take in, and we will take into the Russian Federation, sometimes even going beyond the criteria that is applied. I refer to the refugees from Ukraine, there are about one million [in Russia]. We sympathize with our European neighbors with regard to the problem that they have been facing, and I believe that they will solve it [on their own]."

Last but not least, Putin will make it very clear Russia never again will be fooled into signing dodgy documents such as UNSC Resolution 1973, which legitimized R2P in 2011 via that legendary "no-fly" zone over Libya, with the corollary of NATO bombing the country into a wasteland run by militias. No wonder deranged R2P groupie Samantha Power wants to kick Russia out of the Security Council. Who needs a shoe-banging Khrushchev? Black (Apoplexy) Monday will definitely be a riot.

[Sep 26, 2015] Is the shale gas revolution over

"... natural gas production is also declining. The EIA reports that in October, several of the largest shale gas regions will post their fourth month in a row of production declines. With a loss of around 208 million cubic feet per day expected in October, the four-month drop off will be the longest streak of losses in about eight years. ..."
"... While U.S. shale gas remained resilient through several years of low natural gas prices, the collapse in oil prices are finally putting an end to the boom. ..."
Sep 20, 2015 | www.usatoday.com

While everyone is watching the oil bust, there is another bust going on - one for natural gas.

Before there was a boom in oil production in the United States, there was the "shale gas revolution." That is where we all became familiar with terms like "fracking." And the Marcellus, Haynesville, and Barnett Shales were famous long before the Bakken or Permian.

The surge in natural gas production crashed prices, fueling a huge increase in activity in petrochemicals and causing a major switch from coal to natural gas in the electric power industry. Aside from a few brief moments (such as the winter of 2014), natural gas has mostly traded around $4 per million Btu (MMBtu) or lower since the financial crisis of 2008.

But unlike oil, the boom in shale gas did not stop with plummeting prices. U.S. natural gas production continued to climb. For example, production from the prolific Marcellus Shale – which spans Pennsylvania, West Virginia and Ohio – skyrocketed from less than 2 billion cubic feet per day (bcf/d) in 2009, to a record-high of over 16.5 bcf/d this year. And the dramatic ramp up in production occurred over several years when prices were extremely low.

Much of that has to do with the huge innovations in drilling techniques, including fracking and horizontal drilling, which allowed for production to remain profitable despite the downturn in prices. But some of the credit also goes to drillers searching for more lucrative natural gas liquids and crude oil. Dry natural gas is produced in association with oil. With oil prices extremely high, especially in the period between 2010 and 2014, drillers continued to produce natural gas even if they were looking for oil.

So only after oil prices busted did natural gas production start to slow down. In fact, while the markets are eagerly watching for declines in oil production, few are noticing that natural gas production is also declining. The EIA reports that in October, several of the largest shale gas regions will post their fourth month in a row of production declines. With a loss of around 208 million cubic feet per day expected in October, the four-month drop off will be the longest streak of losses in about eight years.

It is no surprise that the Eagle Ford will represent the largest losses, with a decline of 117 million cubic feet per day expected in October. That is because oil is a much more prized commodity in South Texas, so the decline is largely attributable to disappearing crude oil rigs.

While U.S. shale gas remained resilient through several years of low natural gas prices, the collapse in oil prices are finally putting an end to the boom.

MORE:

[Sep 25, 2015] Upstream oil execs agree Low, long and living within means

"...If prices throughout the budget development season … are consistent with the current 2016 forward price of around $50/b for WTI, capital spending could be down 25%-30% for the large-cap producers" in North America"
Sep 25, 2015 | The Barrel Blog

•Capital spending for 2016 will be lower than in 2015 - which itself has been 35%-40% below last year and could actually come in steeper in relative cuts than that, given that some operators have further slashed 2015 outlays and may still do so.

... .,. ...

Said Barclays in a report on conference takeaways: "If prices throughout the budget development season … are consistent with the current 2016 forward price of around $50/b for WTI, capital spending could be down 25%-30% for the large-cap producers" in North America.

[Sep 24, 2015] Corbyn Says ISIS Partly Created by Western Interven4tion

September 23, 2015 | theantimedia.org
Michaela Whitton

(ANTIMEDIA) United Kingdom - Jeremy Corbyn delivered his uncompromising stance on Western warmongering from the back of a London taxi last week. As the cab raced through the streets of the capital, the new Labour leader revealed his vision for an ethical foreign policy in his 17-minute interview with Middle East Eye.

Asked how he would deal with ISIS, the anti-war campaigner was uncompromising. "ISIS didn't come from nowhere, they've got a lot of money that's come from somewhere. They have a huge supply of arms that have come from somewhere and they are, not in total but in part, a creation of western interventions in the region," he said.

According to Corbyn, he would deal with the terror group by economically isolating its members. He says he would attempt to unite other groups in the region and stressed the importance of supporting autonomy for Kurdish groups. On the rise of ISIS, he pointed to the vast amount of arms that Britain sells, particularly to Saudi Arabia, declaring they must have ended up somewhere and are now being used.

Corbyn was vehemently opposed to the 2013 Parliamentary vote on military intervention in Syria and remains adamant that bombing the country now would create more mayhem. He told Middle East Eye it would be very unclear who the alliances would be with.

On the region in general, he referred to Israel and Palestine as a massive issue. Unlike his British counterparts, he expressed grave concern at the illegal Israeli settlements, military occupation of the West Bank, and lack of reconstruction in Gaza.

Praising the recent agreement with Iran, he said he wished it had included the issue of human rights, and when asked if he would have invited Egyptian leader Abdel al-Sisi to the U.K., he was clear:

"No, I would not, because of my concerns over the use of the death penalty in Egypt, the treatment of people who were part of the former government, and the continued imprisonment of President Morsi." He went on to clarify that his statement wasn't passing judgement on different parties, but on the meaning of democracy.

On Britain's relationship with Saudi Arabia, Corbyn expressed concern on what he referred to as a "huge number of issues," naming the treatment of women, the frequent use of the death penalty - including public beheadings - and the treatment of migrant workers.

At a recent Parliamentary debate, Corbyn raised the question of whether British arms sales to Saudi Arabia are more important than genuine concerns about human rights. Most of us already know the answer to this question.

"We need to be a constant irritant on human rights," he said.

Asked how Britain can make itself safer, both at home and abroad, Corbyn was frank:

"We make ourselves safer by not being part of U.S. foreign policy at every single turn. And we become a force for human rights rather than military intervention."

Asked why he has such good judgement compared with other MPs, Corbyn admitted that he reads a lot, travels a lot, and learns from people wherever he goes. "The issue is the ability to listen to people," he said.

Describing what an ethical foreign policy under a Corbyn-lead British government would look like, he said, "My basis would be that I want to see the protection and preservation of human rights around the world, deal with issues of global hunger and global inequality, and the environmental disaster that is facing this planet."

He added, "I think that should be the basis rather than what it is at the moment which seems to be to see what the White House wants, and how we can deliver it for them."


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[Sep 24, 2015] Peak Oil Notes - 24 Sep

Sep 24, 2015 | www.resilience.org

The EIA also had US domestic oil production up by 19,000 b/d last week to 9.14 million and output in the lower 48 states flat at 8.65 million b/d. Analysts are not sure what these numbers mean. Some say they could indicate that the decline in production is slowing from what the EIA has been forecasting. However, some note that if there is any indication of production actually increasing, we would quickly see oil prices down in the $30s.

... ... ...

The financial press continues to highlight the woes of the global oil industry as it tries to contend with falling oil prices. Waterford International, one of the world's largest drilling contractors, failed in an attempt to borrow $1 billion from Wall Street because of its sagging stock price. ConocoPhillips is trying to sell off its Canadian assets. Total SA sold a 10 percent share in a $15 billion oil sands mine for $234 million and Wood Mackenzie says the world's oil companies have now cut $220 billion in planned investments. Wood Mackenzie also says that if oil prices stay below $50 a barrel, some $1.5 trillion worth of investments will be curtailed over the next few years. If these predictions come to pass it is difficult to foresee how world oil production can stay anywhere near current levels.

... ... ...

In the Middle East, the Libyan peace talks look like they are going to collapse. The Russian military buildup in Syria continues with more tanks, attack helicopters and aircraft arriving daily. While Moscow says it is in Syria to fight ISIL, the insurgents threatening Assad's power base in northwest Syria are made up of groups backed by Turkey, the US and the Gulf Arabs, with most of ISIL's forces hunkered down in the northeast to avoid the continuing US arterial bombardment.

Another cholera epidemic has broken out in Iraq where the sanitation and water systems continue to deteriorate. Temperatures in Iraq reached 122o F. in July and August which did not help the situation. The flow of middle class Iraqis to Europe is increasing. It becomes increasingly difficult to see how Iraq can continue to increase or even maintain its oil production given the numerous problems it is facing.

[Sep 24, 2015] Drilling Deeper

Sep 24, 2015 | Post Carbon Institute

Drilling Deeper reviews the twelve shale plays that account for 82% of the tight oil production and 88% of the shale gas production in the U.S. Department of Energy's Energy Information Administration (EIA) reference case forecasts through 2040. It utilizes all available production data for the plays analyzed, and assesses historical production, well- and field-decline rates, available drilling locations, and well-quality trends for each play, as well as counties within plays. Projections of future production rates are then made based on forecast drilling rates (and, by implication, capital expenditures). Tight oil (shale oil) and shale gas production is found to be unsustainable in the medium- and longer-term at the rates forecast by the EIA, which are extremely optimistic.

This report finds that tight oil production from major plays will peak before 2020. Barring major new discoveries on the scale of the Bakken or Eagle Ford, production will be far below the EIA's forecast by 2040. Tight oil production from the two top plays, the Bakken and Eagle Ford, will underperform the EIA's reference case oil recovery by 28% from 2013 to 2040, and more of this production will be front-loaded than the EIA estimates. By 2040, production rates from the Bakken and Eagle Ford will be less than a tenth of that projected by the EIA. Tight oil production forecast by the EIA from plays other than the Bakken and Eagle Ford is in most cases highly optimistic and unlikely to be realized at the medium- and long-term rates projected.

[Sep 24, 2015] U.S. and Its Coalition of Mid-East Dictators Kill 13 Times More Yemeni Civilians than Al Qaeda

Sep 24, 2015 | www.zerohedge.com
Sep 24, 2015 | Zero Hedge
I-am-not-one-of-them

Al Qaeda only ever exists in a country where the US decides on a regime change because that country in not under their control

so the old Al Qaeda wag the dog mercenaries for propaganda show up (they brutally kill civilians don't they, the more barbaric the better, we'll hate them more and then have justification to bomb even more)

Zarqawi in Iraq was such horse manure propaganda, and the CIA continue to use that boogeyman strategy because:

"There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you can't get fooled again." George W. Bush

fooled again, fooled continuously, just plainly fools

Bay Area Guy

George, they're only brown people. It's black lives that matter. The brown people? Not so much.

Besides, we're killing them for their own good.

[Sep 24, 2015] Tight Oil Reality Check

"... The EIAs 2015 Annual Energy Outlook is even more optimistic about tight oil than the AEO2014, which we showed in Drilling Deeper suffered from a great deal of questionable optimism. ..."
"... The recent drop in oil prices has already hit tight oil production growth hard. The steep decline rates of wells and the fact that the best wells are typically drilled off first means that it will become increasingly difficult for these production forecasts to be met, especially at relatively low prices. ..."
"... As it has acknowledged, the EIAs track record in estimating resources and projecting future production and prices has historically been poor. ..."
"... How can overall tight oil production increase by 15% in AEO2015 compared to AEO2014 while assuming oil prices are $20/barrel lower over the 2015-2030 period? ..."
"... Americas energy future is largely determined by the assumptions and expectations we have today. And because energy plays such a critical role in the health of our economy, environment, and people, the importance of getting it right on energy cant be overstated. Its for this reason that we encourage everyone-citizens, policymakers, and the media-to not take the EIAs rosy projections at face value but rather to drill deeper. ..."
Sep 24, 2015 | www.resilience.org
In Drilling Deeper, PCI Fellow David Hughes took a hard look at the EIA's AEO2014 and found that its projections for future production and prices suffered from a worrisome level of optimism.

Recently, the EIA released its Annual Energy Outlook 2015 and so we asked David Hughes to see how the EIA's projections and assumptions have changed over the last year, and to assess the AEO2015 against both Drilling Deeper and up-to-date production data from key shale gas and tight oil plays.

Key Conclusions

  • The EIA's 2015 Annual Energy Outlook is even more optimistic about tight oil than the AEO2014, which we showed in Drilling Deeper suffered from a great deal of questionable optimism. The AEO2015 reference case projection of total tight oil production through 2040 has increased by 6.5 billion barrels, or 15%, compared to AEO2014.
  • The EIA assumes West Texas Intermediate (WTI) oil prices will remain low and not exceed $100/barrel until 2031.
  • At the same time, the EIA assumes that overall U.S. oil production will experience a very gradual decline following a peak in 2020.
  • These assumptions-low prices, continued growth through this decade, and a gradual decline in production thereafter - are belied by the geological and economic realities of shale plays. The recent drop in oil prices has already hit tight oil production growth hard. The steep decline rates of wells and the fact that the best wells are typically drilled off first means that it will become increasingly difficult for these production forecasts to be met, especially at relatively low prices.
  • Perhaps the most striking change from AEO2014 to AEO2015 is the EIA's optimism about the Bakken, the projected recovery of which was raised by a whopping 85%.
  • As it has acknowledged, the EIA's track record in estimating resources and projecting future production and prices has historically been poor. Admittedly, forecasting such things is very challenging, especially as it relates to shifting economic and technological realities. But the below ground fundamentals- the geology of these plays and how well they are understood-don't change wildly from year to year. And yet the AEO2015 and AEO2014 reference cases have major differences between them. As Figure 13 shows, with the exception of the Eagle Ford, the EIA's projections for the major tight oil plays have shifted up or down significantly.
After closely reviewing the Annual Energy Outlook 2015, David Hughes raises some important, substantive questions:
  • Why is there so much difference at the play level between AEO2014 and AEO2015?
  • Why does Bakken production rise 40% from current levels, recover more than twice as much oil by 2040 as the latest USGS mean estimate of technically recoverable resources, and exit 2040 at production levels considerably above current levels?
  • How can the Niobrara recover twice as much oil in AEO2015 as was assumed just a year ago in AEO 2014?
  • What was the thinking behind the wildly optimistic forecast for the Austin Chalk in AEO2014 that required a 78% reduction in estimated cumulative recovery in AEO2015?
  • How can overall tight oil production increase by 15% in AEO2015 compared to AEO2014 while assuming oil prices are $20/barrel lower over the 2015-2030 period?

America's energy future is largely determined by the assumptions and expectations we have today. And because energy plays such a critical role in the health of our economy, environment, and people, the importance of getting it right on energy can't be overstated. It's for this reason that we encourage everyone-citizens, policymakers, and the media-to not take the EIA's rosy projections at face value but rather to drill deeper.

[Sep 21, 2015] After Creating Migration Flood Merkel Throws Up Emergency Dikes

"... The German chancellor Merkel tried to gain some points with her neoliberal friends and with big companies and donors by suddenly opening the border for "refugees" of all kinds, even for those who come from safe countries. These migrants would help to further depress German wages which, after years of zero growth, slowly started to increase again. ..."
"... While Merkel was lauded by all kinds of Anglo-american neoliberal outlets, from the Economist over FT and Newsweek to the Washington Post the backlash in Germany was brewing. ..."
"... Despite a major campaign of pro-migrant propaganda in Merkel friendly media the German population in general is furious with her stunt. ..."
"... So the brave new world is coming to you also? The brave new world of depressed wages and benefits for the working classes. ..."
"... Poor Mr. Schäuble must give "earth and water" to the German oligarchs. He must organize a new Treuhand for the whole Europe to sell-off public property, he must completely dissolve labor rights, bring down pensions and wages, destroy the social state. ..."
"... These refugees mean workers and jobs. Or how do you think their houses will be built, or where will the doctors come from to treat them and the teachers to teach them, the shops that will feed them. ..."
"... Would be the planed PR con of ' aren't we nice to the most needy refugees', that being used as a duel use purpose with that appeal to her real constituency in the elite and corporates with refugees as wage slaves depressing wages. ..."
"... And when times are bad enough. the far-right actually gains and keeps power till they run a bloody muck. Nazis and Fascism is what these freaks are risking again. ..."
"... Of course, this is all made possible because the US isn't a country anymore, it is now a corporation. The same is true for the EU. The EU isn't a union of nations anymore, it is now a collection of corporations. ..."
"... Yes, The brave new CORPORATE world is coming to us all. Humanity be damned, profits uber alles. Workers of the globe, lube up, and bend over. ..."
"... This migrants crisis should be seen as a fantastic opportunity to all corporatists and neolibs. Companies need cheap labor. This is an open bar to them! ..."
"... This is really another unmasking of the EU. It is run by Germany. ..."
"... I think German industry is angry at the Russia sanctions and has been pressuring for 'new workers', in the sense of being able to set conditions, choose candidates from a larger pool, and almost certainly, pay less, have more control over workers. ..."
"... The makers of Western policy and the media are one and the same. Mass media now so consolidated, it's a corporate/state entity. ..."
"... The origin of totalitarianism : Part two, Imperialism : Chapter 9, Decline of the nation-state; end of the rights of man, p. 269 ..."
"... Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression ..."
"... I have real sympathy for the Syrian refugees coming from the concentration camps in Turkey. These are mostly younger, middle-class, educated Syrians with small children who either lost their homes or couldn't tolerate the risk of violence to them and their families. ..."
"... it's better lavrov speaks openly on what everyone with half a brain is thinking here.. that isis is a mercenary group paid to be where it is ought to come as no surprise.. that the usa hopes to use them to overthrow assad - they have openly stated this. ..."
"... When refugees still managed to get into Europe in large numbers heading for Germany where they had relatives and knew that there were jobs there was not much German politicians could legally do except stop Schengen that makes it easy to go anywhere once you have crossed the European borders - which is happening now getting refugees stranded in the fields. ..."
"... with the influx of probably millions of cheap labour, the big cats may bring back the industries from china , yes now the western Europe may be able to compete with them. ..."
Sep 21, 2015 | www.moonofalabama.org

The German chancellor Merkel tried to gain some points with her neoliberal friends and with big companies and donors by suddenly opening the border for "refugees" of all kinds, even for those who come from safe countries. These migrants would help to further depress German wages which, after years of zero growth, slowly started to increase again.

But neither she nor her allies ever prepared the German public for a sudden influx of several hundred thousand foreigners. Changes in immigration policy were sneaked in without any public discussion. Suddenly 800,000 foreign people are expected to arrive this years and many more over the next years. People who neither speak German nor readily fit into the national cultural and social-economic environment. Most of these do not come out of immediate dangers but from safe countries.

While Merkel was lauded by all kinds of Anglo-American neoliberal outlets, from the Economist over FT and Newsweek to the Washington Post the backlash in Germany was brewing. In Who Runs The Migrant Media Campaign And What Is Its Purpose? I predicted:

There will be over time a huge backlash against European politicians who, like Merkel, practically invite more migrants. Wages are stagnant or falling in Europe and unemployment is still much too high. The last thing people in Europe want right now is more competition in the labor market. Parties on the extreme right will profit from this while the center right will lose support.

Despite a major campaign of pro-migrant propaganda in Merkel friendly media the German population in general is furious with her stunt. The backlash comes from all sides but especially from her own conservative party. Additionally many European leaders point out that Merkel, who insistent on sticking to the letter of law in the case of Greece, is now openly breaking European laws and agreements.

... ... ...

ben | Sep 13, 2015 12:39:05 PM | 3

So the brave new world is coming to you also? The brave new world of depressed wages and benefits for the working classes. Corporate Germany is drooling at the prospect of that happening. Good luck b.

nmb | Sep 13, 2015 12:57:08 PM | 4

... poor Mr. Schäuble, who recently surpassed Mrs. Merkel in popularity in Germany, is under extreme pressure, mostly by the German capital, to "restructure" the eurozone through the Greek experiment. The German oligarchy is now in a cruel competition mostly with the US companies to hyper-automate production. It sends continuous signals that human labor will be unnecessary for its big companies and presses the German leadership to finish the experiment in Greece.

Poor Mr. Schäuble must give "earth and water" to the German oligarchs. He must organize a new Treuhand for the whole Europe to sell-off public property, he must completely dissolve labor rights, bring down pensions and wages, destroy the social state. He must end quickly with Greece and pass all the "Greek achievements" to the whole eurozone.

http://bit.ly/1fTpHhy

Peter B. | Sep 13, 2015 4:12:54 PM | 11

I live in Germany in a village near the Austria border. Our village is broke: too much debt. The people in Germany are taxed to death with over a 50 percent tax rate. In addition, the Euro took a lot of buying power away from us. And Germans are fleeing many areas to get away from the Ghettos of migrants that have come before.

The propaganda machine in running 24/7 about how great these migrants are for Germany. Unfortunately in this case, the propaganda is not working. For example, my son's school teacher tried to set an example by being nice to a local black migrant by saying a few kind words only to be told – F*ck you lady. In any case, if you have eyes you can see migrants are a burden.

It is a fact that Migrants get everything for free. They are not allowed to work for the first year and are given free health care, dental, accommodations, etc. In addition, the police do not like to bother them, so unless it is really bad, they just get away with it.

So, how do you expect to pay for all of this? Where is the money going to come from? And did I mention that no one in our village supports the idea of have more migrants. In my opinion, this is a case of going too far. The politicians have now lost the population and they are back-tracking.

Susan Sunflower | Sep 13, 2015 4:23:23 PM | 12

In These Times: Zizek: We Can't Address the EU Refugee Crisis Without Confronting Global Capitalism

The refugees won't all make it to Norway. Nor does the Norway they seek exist.

somebody | Sep 13, 2015 5:05:13 PM | 15

b. you are an economic analphabet. These refugees mean workers and jobs. Or how do you think their houses will be built, or where will the doctors come from to treat them and the teachers to teach them, the shops that will feed them. And how do you think German industry will survive with a shrinking aging work force, or old age pensioners homes and hospitals keep functioning.

It happened before. Germany had some 2.6 million "guest workers" in the 1950's and 60's. Most of them aren't counted as immigration nowadays as they have become European - Greek, Spanish, Portuguese and Italian. But recruitment was done in Turkey and North Africa, too.

RE: Peter B. | Sep 13, 2015 4:12:54 PM | 11

You have to be very rich to pay 50 per cent tax. I cannot say I sympathize. German countryside is quite empty, lots of room for refugees. They don't seem to want to go there though but to the cities. Like Germans, really.

Bavaria has experience with refugees since World War II. To quote a Bavarian from one of the - formerly incestuous - valleys: We did not like them but they were good for us.

But yes, it is beginning to feel like the end of Shengen and the end of Europe as we knew it. And yes, stupid German politicians seem to be surprised by the global effect of twitter and facebook.

tom | Sep 13, 2015 5:40:50 PM | 16

I thought the back up plan by Merkel and her despicable likes like mentioned by b and above;

Would be the planed PR con of ' aren't we nice to the most needy refugees', that being used as a duel use purpose with that appeal to her real constituency in the elite and corporates with refugees as wage slaves depressing wages. Then with the final back up plan would be targeting those refugees she invited in - for hate speech against, demonisation and scape-goating those innocent refugees, for economic problems caused by her and the right-wingers in their economic class war.

like b mentioned; that runs the risk of the far-right racists gaining more popularity and power.

But haven't we seen that before. Political centrists planning to scapegoat innocence, but then being out hate-mongered by the far-right.

And when times are bad enough. the far-right actually gains and keeps power till they run a bloody muck. Nazis and Fascism is what these freaks are risking again. Or does Merkel think she will fit in nicely with the possible future for Germany ?

Cynthia | Sep 13, 2015 6:09:50 PM | 17

The migrant crisis would be worrisome if it did not benefit corporate elites in the Western countries. It is exactly the same reason as why the same countries are outsourcing all work to the third-world countries: short term gain for a long term pain. The pain from the migrant crisis is felt by ordinary people and the state in the long term.

This is why racism is rising in Western countries – those who lose jobs or have to compete for a home with a 12-member immigrant family hate immigrants the most. The elites, corporate or otherwise, are quite comfortable with immigration, they never go to the economically challenged and immigrant areas anyway, such crime does not reach them. Also, most Western countries have many a lawyer working on behalf of the illegal immigrants and against the society because it is so lucrative.

The flip side is, of course, that it is often the policies of the Western governments and pillaging by Western companies which causes disasters in the places where illegal immigrants come from. How high the anti-immigration Wall needs to be when you push a country such as Libya or Syria into a 30-year civil war?

Of course, this is all made possible because the US isn't a country anymore, it is now a corporation. The same is true for the EU. The EU isn't a union of nations anymore, it is now a collection of corporations.

ben | Sep 13, 2015 8:10:01 PM | 21

Cynthia @ 17: "Of course, this is all made possible because the US isn't a country anymore, it is now a corporation. The same is true for the EU. The EU isn't a union of nations anymore, it is now a collection of corporations."

Yes, The brave new CORPORATE world is coming to us all. Humanity be damned, profits uber alles. Workers of the globe, lube up, and bend over.

Cynthia | Sep 13, 2015 8:55:27 PM | 23

Ben@21,

This migrants crisis should be seen as a fantastic opportunity to all corporatists and neolibs. Companies need cheap labor. This is an open bar to them! What a great way to force Europe into the New World Order? Putting people in front of the fait accompli has always been the best recipe to success. Who cares about culture and civilization? We are consumers before anything, aren't we?

Noirette | Sep 14, 2015 7:44:48 AM | 33

This is really another unmasking of the EU. It is run by Germany. Merkel on her own bat decides the Dublin accords don't apply. Just like that! Then a week or more later Juncker stands in front of the EU Parliament and makes some proposal about quotas or what not and nobody says anything (except I suppose Farage and those who don't want the migrants.) Schengen is by-passed or overridden or transformed on her say so. (The part that seems to be holding is that non-signatories can't be forced to participate.) I strongly disaproved of both those accords (and the whole mismanagement of the migrant issue from day one) but just having Merkel run amok like that is utterly scandalous, and very disquieting. The whole media-hype (pro and soon contra) with the usual doctored pictures and crowd scenes etc. was totally disgusting. This is not going to end well. Incompetence, extend and pretend, shove the problem away leading to a 'crisis' which is handled with appeals to emotion and so on…bad news.

I don't believe this was some US or Anglo-Zionist or whatever plot to harm Europe. (Unintended / uncared about consequences perhaps.) This is a purely internal EU affair. I think German industry is angry at the Russia sanctions and has been pressuring for 'new workers', in the sense of being able to set conditions, choose candidates from a larger pool, and almost certainly, pay less, have more control over workers. That may happen in part. But that is just one angle. (see tom above and somebody as well.)

gemini33 | Sep 14, 2015 8:04:13 AM | 34

I hate to even go here but there's a lot of public money to be made by contractors in this refugee crisis. With the media blitz, countries, corps and individuals will be pouring money into refugee funds. Look at these two articles w/ US coming onto refugee scene just as Europe shuts the gates:

http://news.yahoo.com/us-plans-welcome-10-000-syrian-refugees-053252486.html
http://news.yahoo.com/us-plans-welcome-10-000-syrian-refugees-053252486.html

Never let a good crisis go to waste.

MoonofA calls Merkel's actions a "stunt" above. I sadly agree. In the headlines here in the US, I noticed the alliteration "Generous Germany" in more than a handful of articles. Google confirms it has been used thousands of times. It conveniently counters the immense damage to Germany and Merkel's image that occurred after they fricasseed Greece on the world stage which while it may have made some northern Europeans happy, the rest of the world felt a very different emotion, despite the propaganda.

virgile | Sep 14, 2015 9:58:02 AM | 36

The migrant crisis is part of the amateurism of the international community in collaboration with a scoop and drama oriented media.

The migrants move out of Turkey was long predictable. If anyone had read the Turkish law on 'refugees', they would know that Turkey does not recognize people coming from a middle eastern country as a "refugee". Therefore these people DO NOT get a UNHCR refugee card. Countries that welcome refugees request that card. Therefore people stuck in Turkey have no other way than to move to a country where they will be recognized as a valid 'refugee'.

So it was obvious that after realizing the war in Syria was endless, masses of wannabe refugees rushed out of Turkey to Europe.

It was obvious right from the start that Syria was no Libya, no Tunisia and no Egypt. Yet the amateur Western politicians rushed in prediction and the media went wild with youtubes, analysis, dramas..

4 years later, both the western politicians and the media turned out to be wrong. Yet, they are so arrogant that they would never admit and continue and obsolete discourse to perpetuate their stupid predictions.

The media have become the drivers of the Western policy. They are not elected, have no legitimacy, no accountability and yet they leade for the good and the bad.

Only one thing, good news don't make a scoop!

gemini33 | Sep 14, 2015 11:19:45 AM | 38

@36 "The media have become the drivers of the Western policy"

The makers of Western policy and the media are one and the same. Mass media now so consolidated, it's a corporate/state entity.

TG | Sep 14, 2015 3:15:35 PM | 45

"It may appear to be the interest of the rulers, and the rich of a state, to force population [ed. note: force = rapidly increase, as via an excessive rate of immigration], and thereby lower the price of labour, and consequently the expense of fleets and armies, and the cost of manufactures for foreign sale; but every attempt of the kind should be carefully watched and strenuously resisted by the friends of the poor, particularly when it comes under the deceitful guise of benevolence…"

T.R. Malthus, "An Essay on the Principle of Population", 1798

Virgile | Sep 14, 2015 7:05:37 PM | 58

ONLY the countries that called themselves "The Friends of Syria" should be obliged to take a quota of refugees!

That is the time to pay the fee for membership! Why the hell Slovakia or Serbia are supposed to take the refugees that the Friends of Syria created

Here are the countries that should be OBLIGED to take Syrian refugees:

Britain, Egypt, France, Germany, Italy, Jordan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, the United Arab Emirates and the United States

http://www.dw.com/en/friends-of-syria-group-promises-more-rebel-aid-aid-workers-freed/a-17639889

jfl | Sep 14, 2015 10:58:02 PM | 61

Syrian Girl :

#RefugeeCrisis: What The Media Is Hiding, Help #SyrianRefugees Go Home ~08:37 - 08:58

... There are forces that want to estrange people from their homeland, and to dissolve national identities altogether. Obama and other criminals are trying to make Syrians a people without a nation. A people without a nation suffer the worst humiliation. Look at what happened to the Palestinian people. One day, it could happen to you. ...

Hannah Arendt :

The origin of totalitarianism : Part two, Imperialism : Chapter 9, Decline of the nation-state; end of the rights of man, p. 269

With the emergence of the minorities in Eastern and Southern Europe and with the stateless people driven into Central and Western Europe, a completely new element of disintegration was introduced into postwar Europe. Denationalization became a powerful weapon of totalitarian politics, and the constitutional inability of European nation-states to guarantee human rights to those who had lost nationally guaranteed rights, made it possible for the persecuting governments to impose their standard of values even upon their opponents. Those whom the persecutor had singled out as scum of the earth - Jews, Trotskyites, etc. - actually were received as scum of the earth everywhere; those whom persecution had called undesirable became the indésirables of Europe. The official SS newspaper, the Schwarze Korps, stated explicitly in 1938 that if the world was not yet convinced that the Jews were the scum of the earth, it soon would be when unidentifiable beggars, without nationality, without money, and without passports crossed their frontiers.[2] And it is true that this kind of factual propaganda worked better than Goebbels' rhetoric, not only because it established the Jews as scum of the earth, but also because the incredible plight of an ever-growing group of innocent people was like a practical demonstration of the totalitarian movements' cynical claims that no such thing as inalienable human rights existed and that the affirmations of the democracies to the contrary were mere prejudice, hypocrisy, and cowardice in the face of the cruel majesty of a new world. The very phrase "human rights" became for all concerned - victims, persecutors, and onlookers alike - the evidence of hopeless idealism or fumbling feeble-minded hypocrisy.

[2] The early persecution of German Jews by the Nazis must be considered as an attempt to spread antisemitism among

"those peoples who are friendlily disposed to Jews, above all the Western democracies"
rather than as an effort to get rid of the Jews. A circular letter from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to all German authorities abroad shortly after the November pogroms of 1938, stated:
"The emigration movement of only about 100,000 Jews has already sufficed to awaken the interest of many countries in the Jewish danger ... Germany is very interested in maintaining the dispersal of Jewry ... the influx of Jews in all parts of the world invokes the opposition of the native population and thereby forms the best propaganda for the German Jewish policy ... The poorer and therefore more burdensome the immigrating Jew is to the country absorbing him, the stronger the country will react."
See Nazi Conspiracy and Aggression, Washington, 1946, published by the U. S. Government, VI, 87 ff.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose ... This time it's Obama's handlers copying the NAZIs, last time it was the NAZIs copying the US' genocide of North American indigenes.

PavewayIV | Sep 15, 2015 12:11:43 AM | 63
I have real sympathy for the Syrian refugees coming from the concentration camps in Turkey. These are mostly younger, middle-class, educated Syrians with small children who either lost their homes or couldn't tolerate the risk of violence to them and their families.

That image stands in stark contrast to some of the odd footage coming out of Hungary about refugees refusing food and water, trashing camps and threatening Hungarian aid workers. These were obviously refugees and presumably muslim, but didn't seem like the Syrians leaving Turkish camps. Who were these people?

Fort Russ just published an article entitled, Afghan-Kosovo Mafia Migrant Smuggling Ring and More Refugee Chaos in Macedonia. A highly recommended read for anyone like me confused about the supposed 'Syrian Refugee' problem. It's much more complex than it appears and explains Europeans reports of the general demeanor of some of the refugee groups. This will not end well for anybody.

Noirette | Sep 15, 2015 6:21:10 AM | 67

It seems that the refugee 'crisis' in the EU is playing right into Putin's hands. (It is not a US plot!). The Putin coalition is gingerly taking shape. On Syria.

Germany is ready to ally with Putin. Russia Insider.

http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/germany-may-be-leaving-us-anti-syria-coalition/ri9704

Hollande has changed his mind. (From a newspaper yest.) Now he is sugggesting that he won't bomb there will only be reconnaissance flights. Or some such. After being seemingly keen to bomb Syria to smithereens.

Cameron announced before Corbyn was elected that he would then (when it happened) be cautious or 'withholding' (I forget the precise words and posted the link before) about bombing Syria (Corbyn is against.) But see here, RT:

https://www.rt.com/uk/315277-cameron-seeks-syria-consensus/

In fact Cameron's communicated position is not clear. It is imprecise.

Lavrov has come right out and said that the US knows ISIS positions but refuses to bomb. Which is extremely pointed of him. For a man who carefully measures his words. Fort Russ.

http://fortruss.blogspot.ch/2015/09/lavrov-us-knows-isis-positions-refuses.html

Kiwicris | Sep 15, 2015 7:29:02 AM | 69

Noirette @ # 67 Yes I was a bit Swift intake of breath when I read that on Fort Russ. No, it's definitely not like him to be so, well, blunt is it? With this, we also have the arguments in the Iraqi Parliament about US & UK planes dropping arms & supplies to ISIS as in landing and unloading,(Totally separate from the parachute drops to the Kurds or Shite Militias or Iraqi Army that seem to end up in ISIS hands most of the time), Israel treating wounded militants and being al Qaeda's Air Force, with all this there should be enough now for a big exposee of it in the MSM. . . . . . . . and waiting . . . . . . . still waiting ( ͝° ͜ʖ͡°)
james | Sep 15, 2015 4:21:57 PM | 82

@74 noirette.. as always, thanks for your input and reasoned thoughts on these topics.. thanks for the data @66 as well..

it's better lavrov speaks openly on what everyone with half a brain is thinking here.. that isis is a mercenary group paid to be where it is ought to come as no surprise.. that the usa hopes to use them to overthrow assad - they have openly stated this.. the only thing the usa hasn't done is said they're contributing to the funding of isis, or turning a blind eye when there cohorts saudi arabia and etc. are... it's just another mercenary group called isis getting approval to help along the western agenda here - much like blackwater, but they could state that openly with iraq - not so here..

if anyone thinks isis are the one's the usa or their western buddies are going after here - if you believe that - make as well make a constant diet of wow posts then...

somebody | Sep 15, 2015 8:59:25 PM | 86

Re: dh | Sep 15, 2015 5:27:50 PM | 83

You got my argument the wrong way round.

Altruistic behaviour in primates relies on reciprocity

It has got nothing to do with German guilt. Nowadays you can't be seen letting children drown in the Mediterranean or getting starved in Hungary without people disliking you.
So European politicians first tried to throw up their hands with tears in their eyes whilst making sure the ships in the Mediterranean are military and not humanitarian.

When refugees still managed to get into Europe in large numbers heading for Germany where they had relatives and knew that there were jobs there was not much German politicians could legally do except stop Schengen that makes it easy to go anywhere once you have crossed the European borders - which is happening now getting refugees stranded in the fields. They cannot legally send the refugees back to Syria, Iraq or Afghanistan. Neither can they send refugees back to Turkey. They might be able to do that after a lengthy legal process, but not now. In this situation European politicians have no choice - they cannot revert to racism as their populations are pretty mixed already, it would tear the whole European fabric apart, and, in the case of export driven Germany, it would destroy their global brand.

The truth is that Turkey has a land bridge to Europe and there is a perfectly safe ferry from Turkey to the Greek islands which is closed for refugees. The other truth is that Germany has been pressuring countries on the periphery to close their borders and keep the refugees who still made it. There is no reason for countries on the periphery to agree to something as disadvantageous to them as the Dublin regulation but that their negotiation position was very week.

It could be that Germany overdid the pressure and forgot about the reciprocity. As I understand the situation now German politicians threaten more or less openly to "stop paying" for Europe which is hilarious as the "paying" is based on an export surplus other European countries pay for with a deficit.

duth | Sep 18, 2015 2:14:53 PM | 89

yes indeed very soon, with the influx of probably millions of cheap labour, the big cats may bring back the industries from china , yes now the western Europe may be able to compete with them. I think this must all be part of their big plan and i think it wont work though due to the people demanding higher standards of living.

[Sep 21, 2015] The Pope the Market

"... Gosar is a cafeteria catholic, who ignores the thing about "loving thy neighbor", and "tossing the first stone". ..."
"... Carbon pricing is not "market based"; it is a regulatory intervention to correct "market distortions," which originate from... wait for it... HOW MARKETS FUNCTION! Nordhaus appears to mistake an imaginary image of an "ideal" competitive market in which all externalities are internalized for actual markets in which the ideal could never, never materialize. In fact, externalities are NOT "market failures"; they are cost-shifting successes. ..."
"... MARKETS 'R' US! ..."
"...In fact, externalities are NOT "market failures"; they are cost-shifting successes..."
"... The SUV and Saudi Arabia are not worth the pain of American soldiers suffered defending the past 70 years. ..."
Sep 21, 2015 | economistsview.typepad.com

ilsm -> RC AKA Darryl, Ron...

Gosar was educated by the "Jesuits" (they are a minority of Jesuits today) who brought you the Inquisition. Gosar is a cafeteria catholic, who ignores the thing about "loving thy neighbor", and "tossing the first stone".

Religious freedom is not the practice of bigotry and intolerance.

Gosar would be best served listening to the Pope. He needs the truth.

... ... ...

Sandwichman said...

"...market-based environmental policies such as carbon pricing..."

"...the fact that environmental problems are caused by market distortions rather than by markets per se..."

Who will teach the economists?

Carbon pricing is not "market based"; it is a regulatory intervention to correct "market distortions," which originate from... wait for it... HOW MARKETS FUNCTION! Nordhaus appears to mistake an imaginary image of an "ideal" competitive market in which all externalities are internalized for actual markets in which the ideal could never, never materialize. In fact, externalities are NOT "market failures"; they are cost-shifting successes.

And this is not Catholic theology -- it is economics as practiced by some of the most perceptive economists of the 20th century who must be ignored because... MARKETS 'R' US! Too bad, because I get the sense that Nordhaus's heart is in the right place even if his economic theory is in the wrong century.

Sandwichman...

"...In fact, externalities are NOT "market failures"; they are cost-shifting successes..."

[Priceless!]

Sandwichman -> RC AKA Darryl, Ron...

Credit to Joan Martinez-Alier, paraphrasing Karl William Kapp, "Externalities are not so much market failures as cost-shifting 'successes'."

Kapp, Karl William (1971) Social costs, neo-classical economics and environmental planning. The Social Costs of Business Enterprise, 3rd edition. K. W. Kapp. Nottingham, Spokesman: 305-318

Sandwichman -> Sandwichman...

K.W. Kapp:

"Environmental problems are being forced today into the conceptual box of externalities first developed by Alfred Marshall. In my estimation this concept was not designed for and is not adequate to deal with the full range and pervasive character of the environmental and social repercussions set in motion by economic activities of producers or the goods produced and sold by them to consumers. I agree with those who have criticized the use of the concept of externalities as empty and incompatible with the logical structure of the static equilibrium theory."

Sandwichman -> Sandwichman...

From "Social Costs of Business Enterprise" by K. W. Kapp. pp. 69-70:

http://www.kwilliam-kapp.de/documents/SCOBE_000.pdf

How the principles of business enterprise favor the emergence of the social costs of air pollution

"The initial concentration of industrial production in a few centers, as indeed the location of industries in general under conditions of unlimited competition, will take place in accordance with private cost-benefit calculations. Once established, the industry widens the market for a host of other industries; it offers employment and income opportunities to labor and capital; it provides a broader tax base for the emerging urban communities and the necessary public services. The locality becomes generally more attractive for additional investments, enterprise and labor and urban settlement. It is this expansionary momentum which serves to 'polarize' industrial development in certain 'nodal' centers, which soon gives rise to secondary and tertiary spread effects in the form of increasing outlets for agricultural products and consumers' industries in general. In the light of traditional economic theory the process seems to proceed in harmony with the principle of social efficiency. For, after all, internal economies combine with external economies (in the narrow Marshallian sense) to make it appear rational to concentrate production in centers which are already established and offer some guarantee that the necessary social overhead investments (in roads, schools, communication) can be shared by a larger community. What is overlooked is that the concentration of industrial production may give rise to social costs which may call for entirely new and disproportionate overhead outlays for which nobody may be prepared to pay. Thus by concentrating on the analysis of internal and external economies, and by stopping short of the introduction of the concept of social costs of unrestrained industrial concentration, traditional theory lends tacit support to the overall rationality of cumulative growth processes, no matter what their socially harmful effects may be. After all, what could be more 'rational' than to exploit to the fullest extent the availability of internal and external economies? As long as social costs remain unrecognized and as long as we concentrate on costs that are internal to the firm or to the industry we shall fail to arrive at socially relevant criteria.

"It may be argued that, while the neglect of social costs may contribute to the cumulative growth process it still would not explain the incomplete and inefficient process of combustion which gives rise to the emanation of pollutants into the atmosphere. For obviously, if air pollution is a sign of inefficient and incomplete combustion of coal or oil the question arises why would business enterprise permit such waste to continue? The answer is simply that what may be technologically wasteful might still be economical considering the fact that not only social costs can be shifted with impunity but, above all, that discounted private returns (or savings) obtainable from the prevention of the technological inefficiency and social costs may not be high enough to compensate for the private costs of the necessary abatement measures. The fact that the resulting pollution of the atmosphere may cause social costs far in excess of the costs of their abatement is not, and indeed cannot, be normally expected to be considered in the traditional cost-benefit calculations of private enterprise."

Sandwichman -> Sandwichman...

More K. W. Kapp:

"My central thesis was and has remained that the maximization of net income by micro-economic units is likely to reduce the income (or utility) of other economic units and of society at large and that the conventional measurements of the performance of the economy are unsatisfactory and indeed misleading. To my mind, traditional theoretical inquiry was neither guided nor supported by empirical observations and available data. I tried to show that micro-economic analysis ignored important relationships between the economy (wrongly viewed as a closed system) and the physical and social environment and that these intrinsic relationships gave rise to negative consequences of the economic process. It was and is my contention that the nature and scope of economic theory is too narrow. This restriction has affected economic theory at its foundation: i.e., at the stage of concept formation (e.g., costs and returns), in the choice of criteria of valuation and aggregation (in terms of money and exchange values) and hence in the delimitation of the scope of the inquiry. Not only the dynamic interconnection of the economy with the physical and social environment and the impact which the disruption of the environment has upon the producer (worker) and consumer but also the relationship between human wants and needs and their actual satisfaction have remained outside the scope and preoccupation of economic theory. Human wants and preferences (all subjective concepts), are treated as "given" and the analytical apparatus is designed to develop an instrumental logic of choice and allocation under these given conditions within a closed system.

"This traditional restriction of economic analysis is not only contrary to the empirical facts of the interdependence of the economy with the environment but also protects the analysis and its conclusions against its critics who present evidence of the negative impact of economic activities on human health and human development. In fact, the whole procedure "alienates" economic analysis from what I consider to be one of its most important objectives, namely the appraisal of the substantive rationality (Max Weber) of the use of society's scarce resources. Critics of the traditional approach from Marx and Veblen to Myrdal and more recently H. Albert and W.A. Weisskopf have pointed out that the restriction of the analysis is the result of specific analytical preconceptions as well as hidden value premises. In short, the critics have argued that the restriction of economic analysis reflects a subtle dogmatism on the part of its practitioners."


GeorgeK -> Sandwichman...

WSJ
Updated April 19, 2013 6:27 p.m. ET

"One of the great policy bubbles of our times has been cap and trade for carbon emissions, and on Tuesday it may have popped for good. The European Parliament refused to save the EU's failing program, which is the true-believer equivalent of the pope renouncing celibacy.

The Parliament in Strasbourg voted 334-315 (with 63 abstentions) against propping up the price of carbon credits in the EU Emissions Trading System. The failed proposal would have delayed the scheduled sale of 900 million ETS permits over the next seven years, thereby suppressing supply. After carbon traders realized they weren't getting more artificial scarcity, they drove the price of emissions permits down by 40% at one point on Tuesday."....

Maybe Mr Nordhaus miss this little gem when he was "researching" his article

anne -> GeorgeK...

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324030704578426520736614486

April 19, 2013

Cap and Trade Collapses
Even the European Parliament rejects carbon price-fixing

ilsm -> Sandwichman...

The author does not think greed and failed distribution are market distortions.


Sandwichman -> ilsm...

No. Nordhaus appears to believe that general equilibrium describes a tendency of economies rather than a feature of abstract mathematical models. After all, didn't Arrow and Debreau "prove" its existence (given certain implausible assumptions)?

The mathiness fetish began long before Lucas and his bogus "critique." Only a profession that was desperately eager to "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain" could have fallen for such a blatant display of OzWizardry.

Sandwichman -> Sandwichman...

I repeat:

"Human wants and preferences (all subjective concepts), are treated as "given" and the analytical apparatus is designed to develop an instrumental logic of choice and allocation under these given conditions within a closed system.

"This traditional restriction of economic analysis is not only contrary to the empirical facts of the interdependence of the economy with the environment but also protects the analysis and its conclusions against its critics who present evidence of the negative impact of economic activities on human health and human development."

david -> Sandwichman...

I always find it very hard to get over this fundamental objection. And wonder why I think I should.

DrDick -> ilsm...

Why would he? They are the very heart and soul of capitalist markets.


anne said...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/pope-franciss-fact-free-flamboyance/2015/09/18/7d711750-5d6a-11e5-8e9e-dce8a2a2a679_story.html

September 18, 2015

Pope Francis' fact-free flamboyance
By George F. Will - Washington Post

Pope Francis embodies sanctity but comes trailing clouds of sanctimony. With a convert's indiscriminate zeal, he embraces ideas impeccably fashionable, demonstrably false and deeply reactionary. They would devastate the poor on whose behalf he purports to speak - if his policy prescriptions were not as implausible as his social diagnoses are shrill.

Supporters of Francis have bought newspaper and broadcast advertisements to disseminate some of his woolly sentiments that have the intellectual tone of fortune cookies. One example: "People occasionally forgive, but nature never does." The Vatican's majesty does not disguise the vacuity of this. Is Francis intimating that environmental damage is irreversible?

[ A wildly offensive essay from a typically offensive writer, but so much so as to be deserving of reading at least for the idea that environmental damage, damage to life as such, is inevitably and necessarily reversible. ]

Sandwichman -> anne...

Yuck. There is a reason I don't read George Will. He is a political pornographer whose intended audience is composed of post-adolescent crypto-fascists.

Sandwichman -> Sandwichman...

"[William F.] Buckley is survived by his hip satirical novelist son Christopher, his pale imitation of its former self magazine, and George Will's wardrobe and middle initial."

http://gawker.com/361402/william-f-buckley-crypto-fascist-is-correcting-usage-in-heaven


cm -> Sandwichman...

But in reference to your first comment in this post, there is a market for his writing, so ...

DrDick -> cm...

There is a market for underage prostitutes as well. That does not mean that we should encourage it.

Sandwichman -> Sandwichman...

Wikipedia: "A shill, also called a plant or a stooge, is a person who publicly helps a person or organization without disclosing that they have a close relationship with the person or organization."

Ben Groves said...

Follow the actual policy and reject the dialect. There has been almost no move against what is called "Climate Change". The "deniers" try to mutter dialectical nonsense there has been this great move, but they are lying. Look at the Rockefeller fortune split. While Jay has moved David's fortune to supporting moves to combat climate change, the Rockefeller Foundation has consistently financed denier bullshit globally and they own most of the money. Thus, the climate denier is a globalist. Why? Because global capitalism can't run without oil and specifically, cheap oil in the developed world for them to make profit.

If you want to enmass a battle against "climate change" (a word the deniers existed), you must use fear and nationalism. This is the weakness in the current response. When you don't use fear and nationalism, it creates a emasculated response and people don't drift to Beta's. Alpha response in politics cannot be underestimated. It is how the neocons suck in the fools and what they learned watching 100 years of anti-capitalism in action (especially the Cuban revolution, with mega alpha males Fidel and Che).

ilsm said...

From the start the carbon cabal has created immense externalities which governments have responded with coddling them with subsidies and defending their foreign "assets".

From wars (US since WW II), to support of corrupt royals and ruthless dictators, to cadmium in the livers of ungulates, to blighted cities and to massive degradation of the public health.

While the right wing is defending the soccer Mom's SUV!

The SUV and Saudi Arabia are not worth the pain of American soldiers suffered defending the past 70 years.

The Pope is being Jeremiah!

[Sep 21, 2015] Peak Oil Review - Sep 21

"... The EIA released a report pointing out the impact the massive debt service US oil producers have accumulated in recent years is having on their cash flow. Last week Samson Resources joined a list of oil producers filing for bankruptcy in an effort to get out from under $4 billion it owes to 10,000 creditors. ..."
"... According to Bloomberg, more than half the companies on its list of oil producers have debts totaling 40 percent or more of their value. Bloomberg also says that 400,000 b/d of oil produced by companies in financial trouble is in risk of being shut down. ..."
"... US natural gas production has started to fall. Some of this is due to the drop in natural gas production that comes along with falling oil production, but some is due to the the extremely low price of natural gas ..."
"... the Iranians are looking forward to increasing their oil production next year and regaining their former share of the international oil market. ..."
"... The Saudis still have about $660 billion in foreign assets, enough to get them through five years of low oil prices. ..."
"... In the first half, the Saudis exported an average of 4.4 million b/d to seven Asian nations, about the same as they did before the price slump. ..."
"... the government is studying an increased oil extraction tax that could increase the tax burden on oil producers by $9 billion. Given the shape of the Russian economy, there is little left to tax other than oil production ..."
Sep 21, 2015 | www.resilience.org
The EIA released a report pointing out the impact the massive debt service US oil producers have accumulated in recent years is having on their cash flow. Last week Samson Resources joined a list of oil producers filing for bankruptcy in an effort to get out from under $4 billion it owes to 10,000 creditors. Only four years ago KKR & Co. and a group of other investors spent $7.2 billion in buying Samson. According to Bloomberg, more than half the companies on its list of oil producers have debts totaling 40 percent or more of their value. Bloomberg also says that 400,000 b/d of oil produced by companies in financial trouble is in risk of being shut down.

Moody's and Goldman's were out last week with pessimistic forecasts about the outlook for the oil industry over the next two years. Moody's says that earnings from the global oil and gas industry will decline by 20 percent this year and only recover modestly in 2016. Goldman's says the the current crude surplus may keep prices low for the next 15 years and reiterated that it could take prices as low as $20 a barrel to clear the oil glut which is threatening to overrun storage capacity.

The US Secretary of Commerce noted last week that interest in acquiring new drilling rights in the Gulf of Mexico is dropping due to low oil prices. This year the auction of drilling rights in the Western Gulf of Mexico yielded only $22.7 million as compared with $110 million last year. High-cost off shore drilling is in a lot of trouble with participants scrambling to mothball drilling rigs and fleets of support ships and to defer new equipment that was ordered during the boom years.

... ... ...

Lost in all the furor over oil prices and declining production is that US natural gas production has started to fall. Some of this is due to the drop in natural gas production that comes along with falling oil production, but some is due to the the extremely low price of natural gas which fell on Friday to $2.60 per million BTU's in NY. These prices have led to an increase in demand for gas by the power companies and the ongoing construction of several export terminals for LNG.

... ... ...

In the meantime, the Iranians are looking forward to increasing their oil production next year and regaining their former share of the international oil market. Tehran has announced that new types of oil contracts aimed at attracting foreign investment to the country's oil industry will be announced soon. Trade delegations from France and the UK are scheduled to visit Tehran soon.

... ... ...

Down in Iraq, the government is trying to cope with lower oil prices by increasing exports. The latest plan calls for shipments of Basra crude to increase by 26 percent next month. In the meantime, Baghdad has warned the foreign oil companies working in the country that it will not have much money to pay them for their drilling efforts in the coming year so they should cut back on capital expenditures.

... ... ...

There is unlikely to be much change in the oil situation unless there is some type of foreign intervention to contain the Islamic State or stop the refugee flow into the Mediterranean.

... ... ...

The Saudis are starting to feel the impact of lower oil prices as the kingdom faces the biggest financial deficit in decades. Steps to cut spending are underway and the privatization of state-owned companies and elimination of fuel subsidies are likely. The Saudis still have about $660 billion in foreign assets, enough to get them through five years of low oil prices.

Recent data shows that the Saudis are holding their own in efforts to maintain market share. In the first half, the Saudis exported an average of 4.4 million b/d to seven Asian nations, about the same as they did before the price slump.

... ... ...

Russia's economy continues to deteriorate. Moscow's labor minister said that real incomes in Russia are expected to contract by 5 percent this year. Efforts to ramp up domestic substitutes for food and goods previously imported from the West are going slowly and it may be years before they are implemented. To offset growing budget deficits, the government is studying an increased oil extraction tax that could increase the tax burden on oil producers by $9 billion. Given the shape of the Russian economy, there is little left to tax other than oil production which is still doing well thanks to the greatly devalued ruble and large export sales which have combined to leave oil export revenues largely unchanged when measured in rubles.

Work on the "Turkish Stream" pipeline which Moscow is planning to build to move natural gas to the EU while bypassing Ukraine has not begun. Delays have moved completion of the project into 2017.

... ... ...

China's diesel exports may surge to a record in the coming months as refinery output increases while domestic demand growth for the fuel slows. The nation's diesel shipments might have risen to a record last month, topping the previous high in June of 670,000 tons, and may climb to 1 million tons a month in the fourth quarter. (9/14)

... ... ...

Uganda/Kenya: Low crude prices have thrown the future of East African oil projects into doubt. With oil prices languishing below $50 a barrel, there's little incentive for companies such as Tullow Oil Plc, Africa Oil Corp., China's CNOOC Ltd. and France's Total SA to keep investing. (9/16)

... ... ...

Gasoline consumption: U.S. motor gasoline use has been rising after reaching an 11-year low in 2012. Although lower gasoline prices have been an important factor in the increase in gasoline use so far in 2015, changes in the labor market and in the vehicle sales mix over the past few years also have contributed to the rise in gasoline use. (9/16)

[Sep 21, 2015] Economic Outlook, Indicators, Forecasts - Your Business

"... More ups and downs are assured. But we look for WTI to trade between $40 and $45 per barrel by December. ..."
Sep 21, 2015 | Kiplinger

Then the Federal Reserve announced its decision to keep its benchmark interest rate at rock-bottom levels, citing concerns about the health of the global economy. Those worries promptly sent oil prices sliding, with WTI trading near $45 per barrel.

More ups and downs are assured. But we look for WTI to trade between $40 and $45 per barrel by December. Any sort of sustained price rally looks unlikely until global supply is dialed back from its current high level. Even though U.S. production is slipping a bit, output remains strong in the Middle East and Russia.

[Sep 21, 2015] Oil Prices Gain On Higher Investor Confidence In Tightening Markets

"... hedge funds have cut their gross short position by almost a third in recent weeks to 111 million barrels. This is down from a peak of 163 million in mid-August, but still almost double the 56 million barrels seen in mid-June: ..."
Sep 21, 2015 | OilPrice.com

The crude complex is ripping higher after Friday's lambasting, encouraged higher by signs of a tightening market and further closing of short positions in the latest CFTC data. As the below chart illustrates, hedge funds have cut their gross short position by almost a third in recent weeks to 111 million barrels. This is down from a peak of 163 million in mid-August, but still almost double the 56 million barrels seen in mid-June:

[Sep 21, 2015] Blame America ? No, Blame Neocons!

"... If aggressive US policy in the Middle East – for example in Iraq – results in the creation of terrorist organizations like al-Qaeda in Iraq, is pointing out the unintended consequences of bad policy blaming America? Is it "blaming America" to point out that blowback – like we saw on 9/11 – can be the result of unwise US foreign policy actions like stationing US troops in Saudi Arabia? ..."
"... the current refugee crisis is largely caused by bad US foreign policy actions. The US government decides on regime change for a particular country – in this case, Syria – destabilizes the government, causes social chaos, and destroys the economy, and we are supposed to be surprised that so many people are desperate to leave? Is pointing this out blaming America, or is it blaming that part of the US government that makes such foolish policies? ..."
"... they never explain why the troops were removed from Iraq: the US demanded complete immunity for troops and contractors and the Iraqi government refused. ..."
"... As soon as the US stopped paying the Sunnis not to attack the Iraqi government, they started attacking the Iraqi government. Why? Because the US attack on Iraq led to a government that was closely allied to Iran and the Sunnis could not live with that! ..."
"... The same is true with US regime change policy toward Syria. How many Syrians were streaming out of Syria before US support for Islamist rebels there made the country unlivable? ..."
"... I don't blame America. I am America, you are America. I don't blame you. I blame bad policy. I blame the interventionists. I blame the neoconservatives who preach this stuff, who believe in it like a religion - that they have to promote American goodness even if you have to bomb and kill people. ..."
"... In short, I don't blame America; I blame neocons. ..."
Sep 21, 2015 | www.ronpaulinstitute.org
Sep 20, 2015 | Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity
Is the current refugee crisis gripping the European Union "all America's fault"? That is how my critique of US foreign policy was characterized in a recent interview on the Fox Business Channel. I do not blame the host for making this claim, but I think it is important to clarify the point.

It has become common to discount any criticism of US foreign policy as "blaming America first." It is a convenient way of avoiding a real discussion. If aggressive US policy in the Middle East – for example in Iraq – results in the creation of terrorist organizations like al-Qaeda in Iraq, is pointing out the unintended consequences of bad policy blaming America? Is it "blaming America" to point out that blowback – like we saw on 9/11 – can be the result of unwise US foreign policy actions like stationing US troops in Saudi Arabia?

In the Fox interview I pointed out that the current refugee crisis is largely caused by bad US foreign policy actions. The US government decides on regime change for a particular country – in this case, Syria – destabilizes the government, causes social chaos, and destroys the economy, and we are supposed to be surprised that so many people are desperate to leave? Is pointing this out blaming America, or is it blaming that part of the US government that makes such foolish policies?

Accusing those who criticize US foreign policy of "blaming America" is pretty selective, however. Such accusations are never leveled at those who criticize a US pullback. For example, most neocons argue that the current crisis in Iraq is all Obama's fault for pulling US troops out of the country. Are they "blaming America first" for the mess? No one ever says that. Just like they never explain why the troops were removed from Iraq: the US demanded complete immunity for troops and contractors and the Iraqi government refused.

Iraq was not a stable country when the US withdrew its troops anyway. As soon as the US stopped paying the Sunnis not to attack the Iraqi government, they started attacking the Iraqi government. Why? Because the US attack on Iraq led to a government that was closely allied to Iran and the Sunnis could not live with that! It was not the US withdrawal from Iraq that created the current instability but the invasion. The same is true with US regime change policy toward Syria. How many Syrians were streaming out of Syria before US support for Islamist rebels there made the country unlivable? Is pointing out this consequence of bad US policy also blaming America first?

Last year I was asked by another Fox program whether I was not "blaming America" when I criticized the increasingly confrontational US stand toward Russia. Here's how I put it then:

I don't blame America. I am America, you are America. I don't blame you. I blame bad policy. I blame the interventionists. I blame the neoconservatives who preach this stuff, who believe in it like a religion - that they have to promote American goodness even if you have to bomb and kill people.

In short, I don't blame America; I blame neocons.

Copyright © 2015 by RonPaul Institute. Permission to reprint in whole or in part is gladly granted, provided full credit and a live link are given.

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[Sep 21, 2015] Is This The Bottom For Oil Prices

"... Around the world, an estimated $1.5 trillion worth of oil and gas investment may not be viable, at least at today's prices, according to a new report from Wood Mackenzie. The report concludes that $220 billion worth of investment has already been scrapped, and another $20 billion could be cancelled as well. The number of new oil and gas projects to be approved in 2016 could be around one-fifth of the annual average. ..."
"... The low oil prices are taking their toll, the main shale oil producing regions in particular likely to suffer lasting damage ..."
Sep 21, 2015 | OilPrice.com
Global oil demand also continues to rise. The IEA again revised its demand projection for 2015 upwards, with consumption expected to grow by 1.7 mb/d, a five-year high. "The market's not as oversupplied as we think it is," David Pursell, managing director at Tudor Pickering Holt & Co., told Bloomberg in an interview.

The long-term picture shows even stronger signs of bullishness. For example, it is unlikely that Iraq will be able to reach its ambitious production targets for the future, and because energy forecasters like the IEA are counting on Iraq to make up a large share of global production growth in the coming decades, the failure to reach those targets could leave the world short of supply. The same can be said for Brazil. In June, Petrobras acknowledged it will be unable to meet its production goals as well. The several million barrels per day lost between just these two countries alone mean that the long-term supply picture looks a lot tighter than we once thought.

But it goes beyond Iraq and Brazil. Around the world, an estimated $1.5 trillion worth of oil and gas investment may not be viable, at least at today's prices, according to a new report from Wood Mackenzie. The report concludes that $220 billion worth of investment has already been scrapped, and another $20 billion could be cancelled as well. The number of new oil and gas projects to be approved in 2016 could be around one-fifth of the annual average.

Other market watchers concur. "The low oil prices are taking their toll, the main shale oil producing regions in particular likely to suffer lasting damage," Commerzbank concluded in another report. Lower production over the longer-term could send oil prices up.

However, it is short-term market conditions that dictate the huge gyrations in crude oil prices. And for now, based on the positions of oil speculators, prices may have bottomed out.

By Nick Cunningham of Oilprice.com

Related: Iran Deal May Redefine The Middle East

[Sep 21, 2015] HUGE part of the problem is we have a energy illiterate general public

"... markets are less and less supportive of deja vu innovation. ..."
"... However, a HUGE part of the problem is we have a (mostly) energy illiterate general public, AND a scientific community that often does not speak in a language that the general public can comprehend; there is A HUGE disconnect here. ..."
"... US electricity consumption per capita is at the levels of the late 1990s to early 2000s. Efficiency, demographics reducing the growth of household formations, and a halving of the growth of real GDP per capita since 2000 and a further deceleration to near 0% since 2007-08 are the primary factors reducing consumption per capita. ..."
"... It ..."
"... would be nice if our only problem were with oil. We have a problem with electricity too, and with keeping the roads paved. Electric cars don't solve those problems. ..."
Sep 21, 2015 | ourfiniteworld.com
September 15, 2015

Thomas Simon, September 15, 2015 at 7:19 am

@CalifornuiaLiving you are right about the California economy booming. Record tourism, agriculture, fossil fuels, high tech, etc. all have been strong. Problem is drought , wild fires, and climate change have significant impact on the future. Also wage stagnation in non-elite worker sector is a deepening problem. And high tech sector is starting to feel the pinch as markets are less and less supportive of deja vu innovation.

The reality of ocean acidification, coastal marine life die off due to heat caused algae bloom and potential sea rise from Arctic ice melting are no longer deniable. This is is not doom and gloom – this is as you I am sure can recognize required input for planning how to adjust oir at the east manage the risk.

What I appreciate from Gail is her careful analytical models that provide data points to monitor as part of the risk assessment and adjustments that any pragmatist must consider.

kimgerly, September 14, 2015 at 5:28 pm

@CaliforniaLiving. Here you go. RE's only at 20% in California. http://energyalmanac.ca.gov/electricity/total_system_power.html

Massive EV rollout is only good in tandem with a MASSIVE increase in installed renewable energy systems technologies. It will take decades to do this based on today's generation mix. And based on the escalation of the 'undesirables' and 'indifference' of Mother Nature, I'm predicting there will be A LOT more pain in the near future.

Better if the leadership trains and educates the populous to conserve, leave these bad habits of hyper-consumption in the past, and to PREPARE. to RESPOND. and ADAPT., because Mother Nature is not going to wait.

BTW: I'm a renewable energy engineer.

kimgerly, September 14, 2015 at 7:16 pm

The way I see it is hyper-consumerism will be the bane of (wo)mans' and other species' existence.

However, a HUGE part of the problem is we have a (mostly) energy illiterate general public, AND a scientific community that often does not speak in a language that the general public can comprehend; there is A HUGE disconnect here. And so, why would those of us in the scientific/engineering realm expect the lay person to get onboard when we, although I try my best not to, spew in language that goes over most peoples' heads. More storytelling is needed…

On top of the fact that we have leaders who don't understand thermodynamics, so they make BAD policy. Right, I blame a great deal on leadership who is failing to plan and not the sheeple.

But it's happened before and it is quite likely happening again. And so it goes…

CL, September 15, 2015 at 1:14 pm

@Kimgerly

I agree with you that "illiterate general public" is a major problem in setting the world on a correct course and Gail with this blog is part of that problem. There is one simple proven way to get the public to learn what is needed to point them in the right direction. It is though the tax code. The government needs to taxes the public on the actions that are damaging our environment and give credits to behavior that improves our environment. The one thing the public understands is money. I'm sure the fools will come after me. When they read this post. Telling me I'm obstructing their freedom that is destroying mother earth.

I also don't buy your statement that " leaders who don't understand". There is one party that gets it and another that refuses to at knowledge the situation protecting it's special interest ( oil companies for one ). This site lead by Gail is part of that special interest infrastructure. I have yet to see since she fell out of favor at TheOilDrum. A solution to anything. It's always Fear, Collapse, Fear and more Collapse.

Obama gets it – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C23e_-5BdZM

PleaseExplain, September 15, 2015 at 1:25 pm

Please Gail, let us know the last time you offered a solution ? You've been calling for collapse for five years and it hasn't happened. When do you admit your wrong ?

PleaseExplain, September 15, 2015 at 2:56 pm

I'm sick of reading your negative doomsday scenario and disinformation that this site pushes on the public for special interest. That's who I am.

BC, September 15, 2015 at 3:25 pm

US electricity consumption per capita is at the levels of the late 1990s to early 2000s. Efficiency, demographics reducing the growth of household formations, and a halving of the growth of real GDP per capita since 2000 and a further deceleration to near 0% since 2007-08 are the primary factors reducing consumption per capita.

EV sales are plunging with the crash in the price of gasoline and coincident with a global recession that likely began in late 2014 to earlier this year.

Growth of wind and solar energy production overall and as a share of total energy production has likely peaked for the cycle and will decelerate to 0% or negative in the years ahead, as occurred in the 1990s.

Gail Tverberg, September 15, 2015 at 6:54 am

Yes, we do have a population problem.

Gail Tverberg, September 15, 2015 at 6:45 am

It would be nice if our only problem were with oil. We have a problem with electricity too, and with keeping the roads paved. Electric cars don't solve those problems.

[Sep 21, 2015] Iran Deal May Redefine The Middle East

"... A Real Politik assessment that only can come from someone who covers the global oil producing nations as a whole industry. ..."
"... The breakup of the Soviet Union was not just the fall of a single nation, but the fall of one of 2 Post WWII Global Hegemons. ..."
"... Unfortunately, the overwhelming jargon of business from the last 4 decades of unrelenting Neo-liberalism likes to refer to ¨deals¨ and Western values, as if we clip money saving coupons to be redeemed at the bargaining table with Iran. ..."
"... The US still owes the Iranians much more than "regret" for overthrowing the first true and democratically elected SECULAR government ever in the ME (Mossedegh). ..."
"... They COULD have been a true, natural ally of the West (except for the "privatize everything" schtick the West has been stuck in for the last 30 years). Such a waste. All we've left behind us is chaos, jihadis, instability, death. ..."
Sep 21, 2015 | naked capitalism
This has led to a new emerging relationship between the Saudis and Russia, where negotiations between Russia and OPEC emerged over the possibility of coordination of oil production levels. OPEC hinted that it was open to coordinated production cuts with non-OPEC members in its latest bulletin report, saying that "if there is a willingness to face the oil industry's challenges together" then the future would "be a lot better." Russian officials held meetings with their counterparts from OPEC, fueling speculation of some sort of accommodation.

Despite positive language from the negotiators, the talks so far have not amounted to much. Rosneft's Igor Sechin seemed to rule out such a scenario on September 7 in comments to the press, in which he said that Rosneft can't operate the way OPEC can. It would be difficult for Russia to cut back on its production, even if that meant some chance of higher prices. Russia's economy is hurting, and it needs to sell every barrel that it can.

Although there won't be a deal on oil output, Saudi Arabia and Russia made more progress on discussions regarding the purchase of Russian nuclear power plants and military equipment, a likely wake-up call to the U.S. and UK, the Saudis' longtime military suppliers. Still to be determined is whether this is a new alliance or merely a show of Saudi independence.

... ... ...

The EIA reports that in the last five years, the U.S. 'shale oil revolution' has enabled the U.S. to more than halve its oil imports, making it far less dependent on imports from OPEC, and significantly changing the terms of the relationship.

There is a lively ongoing argument in the world press about the possibility of the nuke deal leading to an entente between the U.S. and Iran, or even the possibility of an actual alliance.

Hardcore opponents of the deal claim that Iran is already in a quasi-alliance with the U.S. in the fight against ISIS in Iraq. And, although both countries hotly deny any intent to form an alliance, there are many in the region who believe that perhaps 'the ladies doth protest too much'.

... ... ...

As reported by Nick Cunningham, on these pages, the recently announced agreement with European oil companies to extend Gazprom's Nordstream gas pipeline into Germany was a clear sign that the EU is willing to do business with Russia again; this despite the Ukraine crisis, which in the face of Middle Eastern conflicts, seems to be fading into the background.

Selected Skeptical Comments

Vince in MN, September 21, 2015 at 6:39 am

39 paragraphs of cliche ridden breathless rumor mongering. The heart veritably races waiting for the next shoe dropping.

EoinW, September 21, 2015 at 8:58 am

In my lifetime, the Middle East has had two problems: Wahabbism and Zionism. We've been on the wrong side of both. One can count on western leaders to always be on the wrong side.

If Putin appears the voice of reason, what does that make Obama? He often seems like a housewife reacting to the dramatic conclusion of his favourite soap opera…with a new episode to follow tomorrow. Almost want to write – same Bat time, same Bat channel – it's so cartoonish.

The refugee crisis has made Merkle seem almost like a compassionate human being. But we know she only cares about keeping the EU going on her watch and she can see what a threat the refugee crisis is to EU unity. How worse will that threat be when Ukrainian refugees start coming? Better make nice with Russia!

Bill Smith September 21, 2015 at 10:17 am

"Saudis offer to Israel to allow flyovers of Saudi territory in case an attack on Iran" This has been reported on and off for several years.

The "sudden military alliance between Israel and Saudi Arabia" seems overblown. There have been very scattered reports of intelligence cooperation in the past but that is it.

Of course FARS reports stuff like this:

"20 Israeli officers and 63 Saudi military men and officials were killed"

likbez September 21, 2015 at 11:22 am

"39 paragraphs of cliche ridden breathless rumor mongering. The heart veritably races waiting for the next shoe dropping."

I would agree. It is clear for me that the quality of reporting about Russia is on the level of presstitutes from WashPost.

Also it is unclear that is the USA game plan as for Iran and what this article tries to communicate does not look plausible. It might well be that the USA wants to spread their bets by including Iran into the cycle of vassals (the USA does not need allies, only vassal states) but I think Iran elite still remembers years of crippling sanctions pretty well to jump into Uncle Sam embraces. The deal is needed mainly to put additional pressure on oil prices and if it achieves its goals and Russia crumbles, Iran will be thrown under the bus by US neocons very soon and without any hesitation.

It also looks like SA leadership wants some kind of rebalancing of relations with Russia as after Egypt to rely on US neocons is simply stupid. They proved to be pretty treacherous folks and promises given are not worth the paper they were printed on.

But if we assume that neocons dominate the USA foreign policy in foreseeable future, then the key policy in Middle East will be usual "divide and conquer" policy like we saw in Iraq, Libya and Syria. And bloodshed financed from usual sources (is not ISIS the USA and friends creation ?) will continue.

What is interesting is that SA never managed considerably increase their oil exports as their internal consumption grows more rapidly then extraction. They just refused to drop the volume of their exports. Probably with tacit approval of the USA. So it looks like drastic oil price drop is mainly financial markets play (derivative and futures games) - and that means that one plausible scenario is that this is another attempt to hurt Russia and depose Putin, even by taking a hit for own shale industry and decimating Canadian oil sands. Lifting sanctions from Iran is just the second step of the same plan.

EoinW -> likbez, September 21, 2015 at 12:32 pm
If Vietnam can forget over 2 million murdered by Americans and cozy up to Washington then it must be possible to find elites in any society(even Iran) who will sell out for the right price.
Paul Tioxon September 21, 2015 at 12:34 pm

A Real Politik assessment that only can come from someone who covers the global oil producing nations as a whole industry. Not completely unsurprising, but unusual in that the only constant in the social order is change and the people making sense out of the change have to look ahead to consequences real and unintended from political decisions that impact global energy production, particularly oil. The breakup of the Soviet Union was not just the fall of a single nation, but the fall of one of 2 Post WWII Global Hegemons.

The failure of the Project for A New American Century as a bid for a unipolar, unilateral Militaristic American Hegemony has resulted in a shift back to the International as opposed to Global relations. The institutions of the Post WWII world, The United Nations, the IMF and the World Bank, with the emphasis on diplomacy as opposed to nation to nation warfare is being resurrected in the Iranian Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. What has been nearly completely absent is the naming of the UN Security Councils permanent members, the victors of WWII were united in staring down Iran until they produced the desired results, namely, giving up on pushing its way into the nuclear power club. The re-establishment of normal diplomatic relations with Cuba is a corroborating development. Russia has worked with the US in Syria to eliminate the chemical warfare stockpiles of Syria as well as patiently worked to conclude a successful Iran re-approachment.

Unfortunately, the overwhelming jargon of business from the last 4 decades of unrelenting Neo-liberalism likes to refer to ¨deals¨ and Western values, as if we clip money saving coupons to be redeemed at the bargaining table with Iran. And the war party demanded that a better deal could be had, what, they could get it for us WHOLESALE! Nuclear Non Proliferation was what was at stake and the UN Permanent Security Council Members were all present to negotiate the re-integration of Iran into the United Nations.

Presidents Obama and Putin are more allied than not and the structure of an inclusive international social order are being worked out without the lies of the Bush family´s war party plans. The USA is not falling apart at the seams because other nations are finally enriching themselves, thus putting them beyond the simple command and control of Neo-con warlords. The USA is relatively weaker not due to being hood winked or conquered but because other nations have risen in their own capacity to direct self determination. Iran is welcomed to do so, just not with nuclear weapons. That is a good thing, in the eyes of the Iranians and the rest of world.

mark September 21, 2015 at 12:59 pm

Interesting article about the people that worked on this over the years.

"Who made the Iran deal happen? Here are some of the people behind the scenes.
PRI's The World"

http://www.pri.org/stories/2015-07-14/who-made-iran-deal-happen-here-are-some-people-behind-scenes

Praedor September 21, 2015 at 1:35 pm

I DO so hope it leads to a completely new alignment in the ME. I am sick to death of "Iran the great evil" bullcrap.

It has always struck me as purely a childish temper tantrum on the part of the USA because the Iranian people had the GALL to toss out OUR murderous dictator and actually run their own country for their own people. Who do they think they are?

How DARE they use THEIR oil for THEIR country rather than to serve Western oil company bottom lines and provide the US with oil that, by rights, belongs to it. Because America! That and the fact that the Iranians held some US neocolonials/neoliberals hostage for a year-ish. That's unacceptable! Americans can do anything they want to whomever they want, damnit!

The US still owes the Iranians much more than "regret" for overthrowing the first true and democratically elected SECULAR government ever in the ME (Mossedegh). Imagine what Iran and even the ME could have been by now if Mossedegh had been allowed to stay in rightful power? Iran would be a true beacon of liberty and freedom and modernity in the heart of the ME. Israel doesn't even come close. They COULD have been a true, natural ally of the West (except for the "privatize everything" schtick the West has been stuck in for the last 30 years). Such a waste. All we've left behind us is chaos, jihadis, instability, death.

[Sep 20, 2015] Which Shale Firms Will Cut Production

"... while existant production is profitable, new production may not be worthwhile. ..."
"... Fiscally that is certainly a sound move, but if many firms follow CLR's footsteps, then it could set the stage for the long awaited turn in production growth. And that would be good news for oil prices indeed. ..."
Sep 20, 2015 | OilPrice.com
...if production in the U.S. really is going to fall, it may come from firms like Whiting Petroleum and Continental Resources. Whiting announced at the end of July that it was cutting its capital spending budget and that it would run 8 drilling rigs for the year instead of the previous 11 it had planned to run. WLL's production in July was up 2 percent quarter over quarter, and production growth next year stands a good chance of turning negative for the firm.

Whiting's per barrel costs look like they may be a bit under $20 each excluding production taxes and Depreciation, Depletion and Amortization (DD&A). As a result, while existant production is profitable, new production may not be worthwhile.

Continental is taking similar steps and announced earlier in September that is was cutting its capital spending to align with its cash flow.

Fiscally that is certainly a sound move, but if many firms follow CLR's footsteps, then it could set the stage for the long awaited turn in production growth. And that would be good news for oil prices indeed.

[Sep 19, 2015] Russia Says It May Send Troops Into Combat In Syria As A d Netanyahu Heads To Moscow

"...What really pisses off Israel about the Pantsirs is that they are crewed by Russians. That means even if an Israeli jet or missile COULD get close enough to take one out without being destroyed themselves (which I doubt), they would end up killing the Russians crewing the unit. On the same token, Israel can't send their al Nusra head-choppers to do the job because Russia knows exactly who gives them orders. Russian-crewed Pantsirs take all the options away from Israel. Meaning they can't attack a point air-defense weapon and take it out so they can THEN attack the SAM sites or interceptor aircraft it was protecting."
Sep 19, 2015 | Zero Hedge
philipat

Clever. Russia says, "We agree with The US" that ISIL is a problem and we want to help Syria, in coalition with Allies, to form a united front against ISIL. Back to you US.....Lavrov is a class act.

BuddyEffed

Just an observation from an engineer, now if any NATO forces take out an antiaircraft site then there are likely to be Russian casualties. Suspect airspace is going to get more respect than it has been getting as a result.

Can anyone intelligently provide comment on how this now affects issues of international law?

Herd Redirectio...

Here's my question, what part of the North Atlantic is Syria on? (North Atlantic Treaty Organization = NATO)

Unless NATO is just the word for the ZIO-Empire?

The Greek horse
Putin knows what ISIS stands for = IsraeliSecretIntelligentService

Sorry Bibi go blow your Zionist master NOW..

Normalcy Bias

It's REAL now and the Pentagon knows it. Fucking with Russians is a very BAD bet.

They aren't just mouth-breathing neanderthals with AK-47's.

I love my country, but my money is on the Russians.

Mostly Harmless

I believe International Law requires that the U.N. Security Council has to O.K. any Nation/State agression on another Nation/State. It doesn't matter who's manning the weapons. They are still considered the property of a sovereign nation/state. Attacking another Nation/State's property INSIDE that Nation/States JURISDICTION is considered an Act of War.

Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, etc. all required a certain number of votes before the UN/NATO could bomb the snot out of them. If memory serves; Russia, China, or both vetoed military intervention against Syria - so the countries itching to bomb Syria's legitimate government had to seek other means of regime change. Anyone paying attention, already knows what those "other means" were and are.

To better clarify, Turkey sent an RF-4 into Syrian air space a few years back and the Syrians promptly shot it down. Yes, there was a lot of hand wringing at the time by Turkey and NATO allies, but there was nothing they could do. A military reconnaissance air-craft crossed an international border. The Syrian's had every right to shoot it down because it was in their airspace and Syria had not given Turkey permission to spy on it :-)

The Russians are in Syria at Syria's request. Now bombing Syrian targets get trickier. It would be an ACT OF WAR against Russia if any of it's personnel or equipment are attacked by US, NATO, Turkey, etc. because Russia owns the equipment/personnel and have PERMISSION to be there by the Syrian government.

BuddyEffed

This is why I love ZH

The Indelicate ...

And when has the US or UK or Israel at all respected "international law"?

Israel holds the world record for violations of UN resolutions and Geneva Conventions.

In fact, it continues to violate the terms imposed on it for admission to the UN.

Doesn't matter.

They're Juice.

They're *special*

Its in a book!

Son of Loki

The UN? Countries honor UN resolutions when they agree with their plans; if the resolution does not pass, the country will simply ignore the UN or propagandize some other method of circumventing the UN citing some such vague claims of "national security" and so on.

The UN serves one interesting purpose; it gives politicians to come to NYC to party like crazy away from their homelands. Hookers, booze, dope, and more hookers all on their countries' tab. It must be very Booooyaaah.

Mostly Harmless

I believe International Law requires that the U.N. Security Council has to O.K. any Nation/State agression on another Nation/State. It doesn't matter who's manning the weapons. They are still considered the property of a sovereign nation/state. Attacking another Nation/State's property INSIDE that Nation/States JURISDICTION is considered an Act of War.

Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, etc. all required a certain number of votes before the UN/NATO could bomb the snot out of them. If memory serves; Russia, China, or both vetoed military intervention against Syria - so the countries itching to bomb Syria's legitimate government had to seek other means of regime change. Anyone paying attention, already knows what those "other means" were and are.

To better clarify, Turkey sent an RF-4 into Syrian air space a few years back and the Syrians promptly shot it down. Yes, there was a lot of hand wringing at the time by Turkey and NATO allies, but there was nothing they could do. A military reconnaissance air-craft crossed an international border. The Syrian's had every right to shoot it down because it was in their airspace and Syria had not given Turkey permission to spy on it :-)

The Russians are in Syria at Syria's request. Now bombing Syrian targets get trickier. It would be an ACT OF WAR against Russia if any of it's personnel or equipment are attacked by US, NATO, Turkey, etc. because Russia owns the equipment/personnel and have PERMISSION to be there by the Syrian government.

researchfix

"And when has the US or UK or Israel at all respected "international law"?"

Doesn´t matter when they hit Russians.

Then natural law gets going.

The Indelicate ...

When has the US, or Israel, all kidding aside, abided by "international law" which, arguably, doesn't even really exists except the Laws of the Sea are pretty solid and if you used to hand out towels in the German Army, you may be prosecuted, at 93 years old, for some absurd litany of crimes you didn't commit.

That's about it.

Other than that, it is might makes right.

ZippyDooDah

@BuddyEffed

To the US, international law doesn't count; international force matters, however. The Russians are probably inserting themselves as a buffer for Assad, knowing that the Western pow(d)ers will back off, not wanting to start some shit with a true world power, ie Russia. But international law, pffftt, what's that? Invade Iraq, pffftt, why not?

Paveway IV

A good Weekend Tyler article in that Weekend Tyler kind of way. I did find the last sentence so astonishing that it rated a comment.

"...At the end of the day, one is certainly left to believe that Israel's "worries about accidentally coming to blows with Russian reinforcements in Syria" will quickly evaporate should Netanyahu get confirmation that the Quds are indeed on the ground as some reports have recently suggested and if it becomes clear that weapons are being funneled to Hezbollah, well, then all bets will officially be off..."

I had to re-read that a couple of times. Israel's worries about killing Russians would evaporate if something happened? Really? So the implication is that Israel could get SO excited about something that they could or would blow away Russian soldiers without hesitation... kind of like if they were Palestinians or something?

So what would this horror of horror be that would push Israel over the edge? Tyler: 1) Iranian Quds in Syria and 2) weapons being funneled to Hezbollah.

OK, we KNOW Quds are on the ground in Syria right now helping Syrian troops. In a very limited fashion and Iran isn't making noise about it, but for FUCKS SAKE, Iran is Syria's ally. Iran can put 100,000 Iranian troops in Syria if they want. Israel doesn't have a God damn thing to say about it. It's ISRAEL that has no right to send aircraft, missiles, chemical weapons, al Nusra mercenaries or anyone or anything else into Syria. Israel is openly supporting terrorist groups and providing them aid and air cover. It was Israel that paid al Nusra to take out the SAM and radar sites in the hills near the Golan border.

And Israel is going to be pissed if Iranian troops show up in Syria to fight terrorists? Arrogant pricks... I think they're afraid that Iranian troops will prevent Israel from their plan of stealing more Syrian and Lebanese land.

The second part I understand - Israel goes insane if they think Hezbollah is getting any weapons because those weapons will be used to prevent further Israeli aggression. Israeli aggression that involves violating Lebanese airspace to blow away Hezbollah followed by land theft. But Syria doesn't have 'spare' weapons to be handing out to Hezbollah - they need the SAMs themselves to protect SYRIA from Israeli aircraft. There's no way Assad is giving away weapons he's waited years to get. I'm sure he gives stuff to Hezbollah, but not a Pantsir S-1, for Christ's sake.

It's interesting how the rhetoric exploded recently about the Russian invasion after Russia (supposedly) delivered six MiG-31 Foxhound long-range interceptors to Mezze Air Base and also delivered another Pantsir S-1 system to Syria. Both are defensive weapons in practice - they have no offensive role.

Foxhounds would provide beyond-visual-range defense against attacking Israeli aircraft or cruise missiles. The Pantsir S-1, aka SA-22 SAM, is a point defense weapon. You use it close to high-value targets to defend them from missiles and aircraft. Now if there are six shiney new MiG-31s at Mezze, Syria would presumable want to protect them.

I linked Haaretz for the Pantsir to illustrate a point - Israel has bent over backwards to emphasize 'missile' and 'SA-22' in a pathetic attempt to associate this with (supposed) Hezbollah rocket attacks against Israeli positions. In fact, the Pantsir can do nothing of the sort and is a dedicated air defense weapon, nothing else. Israel is not afraid of a Hezbollah attack - Israel is afraid of not being able to violate Lebanese and Syrian airspace with impunity for whatever attacks they self-justify.

What really pisses off Israel about the Pantsirs is that they are crewed by Russians. That means even if an Israeli jet or missile COULD get close enough to take one out without being destroyed themselves (which I doubt), they would end up killing the Russians crewing the unit. On the same token, Israel can't send their al Nusra head-choppers to do the job because Russia knows exactly who gives them orders. Russian-crewed Pantsirs take all the options away from Israel. Meaning they can't attack a point air-defense weapon and take it out so they can THEN attack the SAM sites or interceptor aircraft it was protecting.

So despite Weekend Tyler's assertion in the last line, there will be no such thing as 'all bets are off' when it comes to Syrian SAMs, not matter what the justification. Israel would have no problem at all smoking a few U.S. soldiers and apologizing to Obama later (maybe), but I will never believe they are so stupid as to poke the bear. There's a reason Putin is widely popular in Russia, and it's not because he's a pussy that wears helmets and mom genes. Israel could expect swift and overwhelming retribution from Russia with no apologies from Putin if they were stupid enough to kill Russian soldiers.

This must frustrate Bibi to no end. He probably spends his entire day ranting about Putin while pacing his office and waving his hands in the air. He probably has to be sedated so he doesn't stroke out. I'll bet Putin will be packing during their meeting - no telling when that psycho Nettanyahu will go ballistic and 'tard out on Putin.

Freddie

ZH should get you to write their articles. They should fire "weekend Tyler."

Jack Burton

Latina, Russia announced that it has proof. via military intelligence, that the USA knows many of ISIS postions, and troop movements in Iraq and Syria, but refused to bomb them, as these ISIS forces are attacking in aid of US foreign policy. Long convoys of Toyat trucks carrying thousands of ISIS have been allowed free access to Iraq and Syrian roads in broad daylight, with no attacks made at all. The Iraq parliament members have also told the press of US airdrops of military supplies to ISIS right in the area of Iraqi army and ISIS combat operations! How much evidence do we need that the USA is only pushing ISIS to the areas it wants ISIS to fight. Beating ISIS is not at all on Washington's agends. How can I say that? Because real hard evidence on the ground PROVES the US does not attack ISIS when it could do so with ease.

Russia wants to step in and attack ISIS where the USA refuses to!

The biggest joke of the week? Australia has sent war planes to support the US war on ISIS in Syria. Australia is a buzz with stories of their hero pilots about to cheat death in the deadly battle on ISIS. My friends. This is the biggest fucking joke of the week! Who in their right mond buys that, except the FOX brainwashed 30%.

Latina Lover

Jack Burton, ISiS is an obvious western creation, likely #3 after the Muslim Brotherhood and Al Qaeda. Can anyone explain how a supposed rag tag group of Muslims can somehow acquire billions of dollars in weapons, vehicles, and hire thousands without help? Heck I cannot send a wire from Guatemala to Texas for $1000 without getting bounce-backs and/or harassment by banksters.

Putin is to address the UN general assembly on or around the 25th of Sept. 2015. I predict this speech will be historic, because Putin will likely comment on the Ukraine and Syria situations. For the first time in decades, the USSA will be exposed to a global audience.

Lastly, the following brilliant comment by Paveway IV explains why the USSA is so pissed over Russia helping Assad:

I'm not sure you guys recognize what just happened here. They didn't risk aircraft to blow up a random few ISIS lairs.

The fake ISIS central bank (ZATO al Raqqah branch) and everything in it just got smoked.

The al Raqqah satcom links have been destroyed - that's how fake ISIS/CIA/ZATO SF guys get their marching orders and avoid being blown up by fellow ZATOers.

There will be no more U.S. resupply of cash, equipment or oil to al Raqqah, and the ammo/replacement headchopper pipeline is in peril.

Fake al Nusra still has their U.S. command bunker and logistics hub in Aleppo, but fake ISIS just lost the ability to pay their mercenaries or exchange any money, fake ISIS can no longer communicate with their ZATO masters via scrambled satlinks to Jordan and Turkey for instructions. Blind and broke, and Assad already took out their oil supply last week.

After he turns the water off (the Tabqua dam) upstream of al Raqqah, fake ISIS and the U.S. will go ballistic. A humanitarian crisis tit-for-tat. Fake ISIS in al Raqqah were the ones using mustard gas mortar shells a couple of months ago. They have a stash somewhere (that probably says 'Made in the USA'). I wouldn't put it past them to blow the dam before the Syrian Army can take it.

This forces Obama to act, and he has no idea what to do. His chickenhawk Israeli-firster generals want WAR, but Obama will never agree to that. If Obama wants to pull out, the DoD (and their Xe/Academi for-profit arm) will refuse.

Things just got to a very dangerous tipping point. Putin has missile cruisers and a Typhoon-class nuke sub off the coast of Syria, and 100,000 Russian soldiers on the southern border participating in Center-2015. I doubt Putin will ever do anything, but this further limits the clownfuckery the Pentagram can get away with.

Whenever the Pentagram has their backs to the wall, bad, bad things happen. They will go full retard barring some miracle - or the obliteration of earth on the 24th - whichever comes first.

Jack Burton

Brilliant indeed! Latina! That's new information to me. I knew Russia would only act if it really counted! Unlike fake US air attacks on ISIS, Russia is ruthlessly efficient with it's attacks. I wonder if Assads forces used new Russian precision guided weapons to take out the ISIS bank and telecom links. Probably.

Anyways ,Thanks for that post latina, it's why I always read you!

Gilnut

Russia will still only push this so far. Desert Storm I and II were proxy wars between Russia and the USA, where the Russian supplied Iraqi's stood their ground, they lasted 1 minute, where they ran they lasted 2 minutes. Russia remembers this. Not opinion, just fact. If this turns "hot" Russia knows it has no other option than nuclear to win. Putin has balls, but he's smart too.

Huh Reeeally

Russia will still only push this so far.

In general I agree with you, they usually don't take it to the nth degree, however with regards to the Syrian armed forces, they've done surprisingly well considering the number of countries and terrorists they're fighting.

Iraq was largely left to survive on its own with little outside help to speak of. Syria is different. It's Russia's Port in the Med, and it is vital to Russian gas interests = Gazprom, just as it is vital to European/US gas interests = Qatar. Syria will not fold unless Russian interests can be preserved as part of the solution. With both the US and Russia coming closer to deploying troops, and all sorts of missiles and fighter jets flying around a small airspace this could get interesting in a hurry. This won't go nuclear until all the proxies are used up, remember Iran is on General Wes Clark's list of seven countries scheduled for regime change.

The US is tired of paying for all those refugees to be housed and fed in Turkey so they're shipping them off to europe, notice two things here. ALL the countries neighbouring Syria refuse to take any syrian refugees/migrants/opportunists, and the EU, with its laughably so-called rich countries with BENEFITS are getting all of them. Even Canada can't wait to be destabilized, I mean take in a boatload - we're in the middle of a federal election so giving away a few thousand passports is a big vote getter here. How come these people, and I have every sympathy for their plight, have the 10K USD to pay for passage but are impoverished when they arrive in the promised land welfare state? If they do have 10K and a passport then why don't they fly? Just who is paying that bill?

At least Russia is calling the US terrorist bluff. I wonder if Vegas has odds on this...

angel_of_joy

...Iraq was largely left to survive on its own with little outside

Wrong! Iraq is under the full control of Iran, and it has been ever since the American withdrawal.

Huh Reeeally

Well yes, ...since the american withdrawal but how much help and support did they receive in the first war over Kuwait? And then the WMD excuse, do you recall anyone lining up to help them out? Remember that Iraq and Iran fought a rather long and bloody war that barely ended before Kuwait 'happened'. My point was to illustrate that Russia has serious interests in Syria, unlike in Iraq back then. The Syrians have done well so far, and I expect they'll have the fortitude to persevere since they are not only fighting FOR their homes but big brother definitely has their back in this one.

If you're saying it's a sordid mess with fluid alliances based on geopolitics, oil, proxies, religion and various religous sects then I absolutely agree with you :-)

Herd Redirectio...

Yes, lets just ignore Vietnam... Didn't happen. LALALA

Also, the M16 (esp. back in 1969) is perfect for dragging in the mud, much better than that super reliable AK47. Yep, take my word for it.

Oh, I forgot, the Vietnamese weren't fighting fair. Those bastards! They killed that guy in the movie Green Berets with a booby trap! Cowards! Dropping bombs from 12000 feet, now that is bravery.

Latina Lover

I have memories in SE asia, of tough motherfuckers who could live on rat meat and a cup of rice. Unless we are defending our homeland, I doubt that most american soldiers are as motivated as the forces we usually oppose.

FIAT CON

Well which wars did the amreicans win?

Vietnam ... ah no winner!

Korean again ah no win there

Iraq Ah I dont think so

Afgahnastan too soon to tell

how big and powerful were these opponents... not very

Lets just see how well the Amuricans do against the extremly strong willed Chinese and or Russians... if you are an Amurican are are not afraid of these two Countries Warriors you better go learn some history.

Freddie

The Banksters win in every war.

flapdoodle

If you want a better comparison, try the *very* well equipped forces in Georgia and how they fared against the relatively poorly equipped Russian forces in 2008.

Even though the Georgians picked up some experience in Afghanistan and were sporting the latest US Humvees and US soldier kit, the relatively rag-tag Russians made short work of the Georgians.

Another comparison - Ukraine didn't fare so hot against the breakaway Donbass rebels, rag tag as well but this time equipped a bit better with Russian kit...

Using the Iraqi Army (which after all was lead up by the US puppet Saddam Hussein) as an example of how the Russians would fare against the US Army is laughable - as in stupid laughable.

Perhaps the Hezbullah success with Kornets against Merkvas and the IDF in 2006 is closer to the truth?

Latina Lover

Hamas blowing up a Merkava Tank likely using a SA29 Vampir:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bemnaJmikXQ

Recently the Russians developed the SA30, nicknamed the Merciless, able to destroy any tank, including the Merkava, Abrams, Challenger, Leopard etc, by countering its reactive armour via a dual staged shaped charge.

Reichstag Fire Dept.

The US Government is attempting to sucking Russia into starting WWIII, Putin is not taking the bait at any cost. He can now come into Syria and directly fight ISIS to help Syria because the US Government has used the "head fake" of wanting to fight ISIS...the US Government cannot back off this position now so Putin can now "run the table" in Syria.

Seriously, Putin's moves are genius. He's making the US Military leadership and it's executive look like amateurs.

the phantom

It's the difference between chess and checkers. Better yet, go rent the movie "Rounders", and fast forward to the last 15 minutes... and tell me what lesson you learned.

Cynicles

It's the strangest thing:

ISIS threatens everyone except Israel.

Peak Oil Notes - 17 Sep

While it is clear that US shale oil production is declinong, the pace of the decline is rather murky. The EIA told us on Monday that production from the major shale-oil fields is likely to fall by 80,000 b/d between September, and October, but when the state data, which is six weeks behind but has been more accurate, comes in production does not look so bad. On Monday North Dakota reported that its shale oil production was down by only 5,400 b/d in July. The EIA says that last week US oil production was down by 17,000 b/d or 0.2 percent. In a world that produces some 93 million b/d, this should not have much of an impact. It seems clear that we have a way to go before the shale oil production picture is completely clear.

There has been much discussion in the press recently concerning the "financial reckoning" that is about to fall on the oil patch. For the last year US energy companies have borrowed billions of dollars to stay in operation with oil selling well below costs of production. Many expect that credit lines will be cut substantially in the near future and that many companies will have to merge or declare bankruptcy.

[Sep 19, 2015] Syria peak oil weakened government's finances ahead of Arab Spring in 2011

In May 2013 the Guardian had an article "Peak oil, climate change and pipeline geopolitics driving Syrian conflict"http://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2013/may/13/1

In March 2015, a group of researchers led by climatologist Colin Kelley (University of California) published a study in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences with the title "Climate change in the Fertile Crescent and implications of the recent Syrian drought"

"Between 2006 and 2009, the people of Syria suffered during the most severe drought that country has experienced since the beginning of its instrumental record. As water became scarce, crops failed and cattle died on a huge scale. As many as 1.5 million Syrians, out of a population of just over 20 million, moved from the countryside to the outskirts of already overflowing cities"

http://www.historicalclimatology.com/blog/is-climate-change-behind-the-syrian-civil-war

[Fig 2: Image of sandstorm, not shown here for licensing reasons.]

In this article we analyse to which extent peak oil contributed to a fiscal deterioration so that the Syrian government was forced to introduce unpopular policies (tax increases, removal of fuel subsidies, increasing cost of cement etc) which contributed to the unrest.

Oil production, exports and consumption

Fig 3: Syria oil production, exports and consumption

We see several tipping points

  • 1996: peak production
  • 2001: Crude oil exports start to drop sharply, albeit cushioned by rising oil prices
  • 2006: Petroleum imports begin to increase at higher rate
  • 2008: Increasing petroleum consumption approaches level of declining oil production
  • 2011 Arab spring reaches Syria in March
  • 2011 International oil companies suspend operations
  • oil embargo http://www.sanctionswiki.org/Syria
  • 2012: Oil production falls precipitously as government loses control over Eastern oil fields.
  • 2014: Oil production has completely collapsed

Fig 4: Map of oil & gas fields and IS control as of July 2015. [See original at full size.]

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/map-of-syria-shows-what-isis-is-truly-fighting-for-2015-6

Oil reserves

Fig 5: Syria's remaining oil reserves from different sources

Fig 6: Syrian Cumulative discovery, actual production and remaining reserves

Jean Laherrere's website: http://www.aspofrance.org/

So cumulative production plus remaining 2P (proved and probable) reserves is 7.5 Gb. Jean Laherrere's production projection on the basis of 8 Gb of ultimate recovery is depicted in the following graph:

Fig 7: Jean Laherrere's 2009 production profile for Syria

Of course Fig 7 is now very theoretical. No one can predict the future in Syria

IMF Reports

This article mainly uses IMF data. The last IMF Article IV consultation staff report 2009

http://www.imf.org/external/np/sec/pn/2010/pn1042.htm

was published in March 2010. Since then no IMF assessment was made due to the political/security situation. As a result of a 2 year long lag of preparing national accounts, lack of data and other discrepancies many calculations are estimates or projections. The earliest IMF report available on the internet is from October 2005 with data going back to 2000.

Revenue

Government revenue was 21 % of GDP in 2010. The following graph shows oil revenue compared to other revenue and total expenditure.

Fig 8: Syrian government revenue by source

Oil related revenue is in decline or stagnating since 2001. Its share of total revenue dropped from 45% in 2000 to 25% in 2010. Despite this, total revenue grew on average by 9.4% pa. This was achieved by increasing income tax and other indirect taxes, definitely not popular policies. Transfers from public enterprises (PE) also contributed to revenue growth. These PEs dominate the energy and financial sectors, play a privileged role in supply chains such as in cotton and cereals and hold monopolies in all utilities, oil and sugar refining, production of cement, fertilizers and mineral water. However, the PE surplus is not net of capital expenditure which comes under the big item "development expenditure" (Fig 10). Most PEs are loss making except those in the telecommunication sector.

However, expenditure grew faster at 10.8%. This difference resulted in a budget deficit of 17% of expenditure in 2010.

Fig 9: Composition of oil revenue

The largest contribution is the tax revenue from the Syria Petroleum Companyhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Petroleum_Company.

Expenditure

Government expenditure was 25.9% of GDP in 2010.

Fig 10: Syria's government expenditure

Expenditure grew by an average of 10.8% pa, salaries by 16% pa.

Fig 11: Defense expenditure consumed all oil related revenue in 2007

Oil balance

The oil balance is defined as: oil exports – oil imports – repatriation of oil company profits.

Fig 12: Syria's oil balance

The graph shows that the value of net oil exports after 2007 was practically zero. Due to transfers of international oil company profits the zero point of the oil balance was passed 1 year earlier, in 2006, after which it was negative between 1 and 1.5 US$ bn pa.

Current account balance

Fig 13: Current account and oil balances

In the above graph, we start with the oil balance calculated in Fig 12 (blue line) and add the (positive) export balance from services, income and transfers. The trade balance of goods is negative and has to be deducted (hatched area) to arrive at the current account balance (red line). We see that the declining shape of the oil balance results in a similarly declining current account curve.

Inflation

Fig 14: Syria's average CPI

Inflation largely moved with oil prices up to 2008. The cumulative inflation over the period 2000-2010 was 54%.

Population

Fig 15: Syria's population development (age structure in background)

http://esa.un.org/unpd/wpp/DVD/

Per capita oil production peaked in 1993 at 15.2 barrels and had dropped to half of that by 2007.

Fuel Subsidies

The IMF praised the reduction of fuel subsidies as a reform, but this was certainly not popular.

Fig 16 : Increase in fuel prices 2008-09

In 2008, fuel prices were lifted, saving around 7% of GDP. In order to offset these higher prices, public wages were increased and coupons introduced which allowed each household to buy 1,000 litres of diesel at a lower price. This costed 4.5% of GDP. In 2009, the diesel coupons were replaced by targeted cash transfers based on income, asset ownership and utility bills.

Fig 17 : Energy subsidies as percent of GDP

The fuel subsidy reform in 2009 meant that the population had to save 8% of GDP.

Summary

There are many reasons for the disintegration of Syria and the tragic exodus of refugees. This article showed how Syria's declining oil production and increasing oil consumption impacted negatively on the budget, lead to tax increases and reduction of subsidies. These factors contributed to the population's dissatisfaction which sparked the Arab Spring in Syria.

It is absolutely necessary that the world wakes up to the problem of peaking oil production in geo- strategically important areas otherwise there will be more surprises. If countries with a high per-capita oil consumption could finally embark on a transition away from oil this would reduce future conflicts and wars.

But don't count on Australia where Federal and State governments have embarked on a new, huge program of road tunnels, tollways and airport expansions. The current Prime Minister Abbott even thinks that peak oil has no value for policy making.

Addendum

Australia has a new Prime Minister, Malcolm Turnbull
14/9/2015 21:45
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-14/malcolm-turnbull-wins-liberal-leadership-ballot-over-tony-abbott/6775464

Further Reading

SYRIA'S ECONOMY AND THE TRANSITION PARADIGM Samer Abboud, Ferdinand Arslanian 2009

http://ojs.st-andrews.ac.uk/index.php/syria/article/view/713

https://ojs.st-andrews.ac.uk/index.php/syria/article/download/713/617

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http://crudeoilpeak.info/23-of-egypt%e2%80%99s-oil-is-gone-20-years-after-its-peak

16/3/2013 Iraq war and its aftermath failed to stop the beginning of peak oil in 2005
http://crudeoilpeak.info/iraq-war-and-its-aftermath-failed-to-stop-the-beginning-of-peak-oil-in-2005

24/6/2011 War overshadows peak oil in Libya
http://crudeoilpeak.info/war-overshadows-peak-oil-in-libya

31/5/2011 Sudan's Nile blend in decline – why we should be concerned
http://crudeoilpeak.info/sudan-nile-blend-in-decline-why-we-should-be-concerned

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[Sep 19, 2015] John Helmer MH17 – The Lie to End All Truths, and New Evidence

An interesting new idea: if this was BUK rocket then bodies of passengers should be infested with holes and location of passengers allow fully decipher from which side fragments came from. Each seat is essentially a marker of the warhead positioning and direction of the rods. As seat occupies by passengers are known and most bodies were recovered this excludes BUK as the source. In other words absence of multiple holes in passengers and relatively well preserved bodies (some almost intact) this is powerful argument in favor of air to air missile hypothesis.
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"...The AFP was headed by Tony Negus (above, left) at the time of the MH17 crash. He was replaced by his deputy, Andrew Colvin (right), on October 1, 2014. The evidence release is irreversible, however. The Dutch and Australian records make the Buk story impossible as cause of death. "
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"...In retrospect today, the Dutch and Australian evidence corroborates what Obama heard from Putin that the ATC evidence (radio and radar) was showing an air-to-air attack against MH17."
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"...What the US, Ukrainian and Malaysian communication records show is that in his calls to Poroshenko and Najib, there was a discussion of how to respond to Putin's claim of cause, liability, responsibility. Their media releases of what was said report "the United States has offered immediate assistance to support a prompt international investigation.""
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"...CT scans, X-rays, autopsy sections, and spectroscopic testing of metals, which have now been conducted in The Netherlands and verified in Australia, make the Buk story impossible. This evidence cannot go further to identify the sources of the fatal damage to aircraft and passengers. To do that requires a return to the evidence of the Putin-Obama tapes, and the reinterpretation of what was said then in light of what is known now."
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"...The photos show that that projectiles exited the fuselage. This is not consistent with the impact of BUK shrapnel."
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"...Perhaps you've seen the size of a BUK missile warhead; or not. If you have followed Helmer's thesis you would understand that thousands of pieces of shrapnel are embedded in a BUK warhead, and that this proximity explosion would have riddled the MH17 fuselage and likely the passengers seated on the port (explosion) side of the aircraft. The idea that no metalurgical examination of recovered plane parts points to a BUK missile attack is as disconcerting as the lack of shrapnel in recovered bodies (and body parts)."
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"...The situation in Ukraine reveals the nexus between neo-liberal economic policy, and neocon foreign policy. How craven are the 'leaders' of the 'western' powers, controlled by the insane, psychopathic, financial interests centered in New York and the City of London? They are craven enough to engulf the world in war and ever deepening misery for personal profit."
Sep 19, 2015 | naked capitalism
Posted on September 19, 2015 by Yves Smith Yves here Helmer concludes his series on the evidence in MH17 crash, and argues that it is inconsistent with a Buk missile having downed the plane.

By John Helmer, the longest continuously serving foreign correspondent in Russia, and the only western journalist to direct his own bureau independent of single national or commercial ties. Helmer has also been a professor of political science, and an advisor to government heads in Greece, the United States, and Asia. He is the first and only member of a US presidential administration (Jimmy Carter) to establish himself in Russia. Originally published at Dances with Bears

Presidents Vladimir Putin and Barack Obama have on file three pieces of evidence showing both of them knew what had caused the crash of Malaysian Airlines MH17, and of the deaths of all 298 souls on board. They knew it little more than two hours after the crash had occurred in eastern Ukraine. They also knew each other knew it, because they discussed what had happened in a telephone call which took place before 19:45 Moscow time, 11:45 Washington time, on Thursday, July 17. MH17 was downed that day at 16:20 Ukraine time, 17:20 Moscow time, 09:20 Washington time.

The first piece of evidence is the agenda paper for the telephone call. This had been negotiated and formalized by the Russian Foreign Ministry, the Russian Embassy in Washington, the State Department and the White House before July 17. The second piece of evidence is the tape of the Putin-Obama conversation, as recorded by the Kremlin. The third piece of evidence is the tape of the Obama-Putin conversation, as recorded by the White House.

This evidence establishes that Putin believed, and Obama believed Putin would announce, not that a ground-to-air missile had brought MH17 down, but that other weapons had done so. The story that a Russian-made Buk missile had caused the disaster began after Obama had spoken to Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko at about 19:00 Kiev time, 20:00 Moscow time, 12 noon Washington time.
Take away that story, because Obama knew it to be false when he had spoken earlier to Putin, and what do you have? A war crime by two governments. How to prove innocence and guilt? The tapes at the Kremlin and the White House.

According to the Kremlin statement dated July 17, 2014 at 20:30 hours: "In line with a previous agreement, Vladimir Putin had a telephone conversation with President of the United States Barack Obama. The parties had a detailed discussion of the crisis in Ukraine… The Russia leader informed the US President of the report received from air traffic controllers immediately prior to their conversation about the crash of a Malaysian airplane over the Ukrainian territory."

Dmitry Peskov, the Kremlin spokesman, was asked yesterday to clarify what the time stamp on the release meant. He was also asked to explain the phrase in the opening line, "a previous agreement." He has responded, identifying 20:30 as the time when the release was posted; the telephone call of the presidents had already taken place. The agreement for the call, Peskov confirmed, including the agenda and the issues for discussion, had been negotiated through diplomatic channels of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and formalized in writing before July 17.

Until now, the precise timing and sequence of telephone calls which Obama made on the morning and afternoon of the fateful day have not been understood as evidence for the cause of the MH17 disaster. Precise timing is possible because of this record of Obama's flight from Washington to Delaware, his time of landing at Delaware, and his time of takeoff from Delaware to New York. The White House press secretary Josh Earnest also made a public record at the time that Obama and Putin had completed their call at the White House, before 12:30 local time.

Two additional pieces of evidence on what Putin and Obama said have taken a year to surface. One comes from the Dutch police officer and state prosecutor leading the MH17 case investigation, Fred Westerbeke.

A year ago, on September 12, 2014, Westerbeke announced publicly that 25 pieces of metal had been recovered. This count hasn't improved In the 14-month long investigation of the crash, of the aircraft debris, and of the remains of those killed. For Westerbeke's statements to Dutch, British and German press, read this.

Westerbeke's testimony is, he admits himself, ambiguous. He acknowledges that he doesn't (didn't) know, or isn't (wasn't) certain, what the origin of the metal had been.

The second piece of evidence, which reveals what Westerbeke meant by his disclosure, came weeks later from the Coroners Court of Victoria, an active participant in the multinational post-mortem investigation of the MH17 victims.

Three Australians – pathology professor David Ranson; deputy Victorian state coroner Iain West, and Victorian state coroner Ian Gray – released the evidence they had gathered and verified with the Dutch and the five-state Joint Investigation Team at the Hilversum military base, near Amsterdam. This evidence became public in November and December of last year. It was classified secret last week. For the detailed documentation which has been preserved of this evidence, click to read here. A Coroners Court spokesman refuses to say when the evidence was officially classified, or on whose order.

According to the Australian coronial evidence, there was almost no metal in the bodies or body parts of the MH17 victims. According to Westerbeke, just 25 particles had been found. Before the Australian coroners had seen the metal assay evidence, they ruled that "causes of death from explosive decompression – similar to the pressure wave from a bomb – included hypothermia, hypoxia, massive internal organ injury, embolism and heart attack. Exposure to very low temperatures, airflow buffeting and low oxygen at 30,000 feet would also result in death in seconds." Detonation, lethal explosion, and breakup of aircraft had occurred, the Australians have reported - but with insufficient traces of shrapnel to confirm that a Buk missile warhead had been cause.

Coroner Gray is responsible for the blackout of evidence he and his subordinates had painstakingly made public last year, for the benefit and comfort, they said at the time, of the families of the victims. Ranson, the most talkative of the Australian official investigators, has been obliged this week, not only to keep silent on what he has already published, but to contradict what he has already said. The Australian Federal Police (AFP), Westerbeke's counterparts in the joint international investigation process, are withholding all evidence papers compiled by the pathologists, and the evidence summary file they continue to discuss with the investigators.

The AFP was headed by Tony Negus (above, left) at the time of the MH17 crash. He was replaced by his deputy, Andrew Colvin (right), on October 1, 2014. The evidence release is irreversible, however. The Dutch and Australian records make the Buk story impossible as cause of death.

The Kremlin statement, following the presidents' conversation of July 17, 2014, ends with this disclosure. "The Russia leader informed the US President of the report received from air traffic controllers immediately prior to their conversation about the crash of a Malaysian airplane over the Ukrainian territory." The Kremlin summary expressly identifies "air traffic controllers" (ATC). It doesn't say whether they were civilian or military. Since both were at work monitoring Ukrainian airspace, using different equipment in parallel, the identification is a pointer whose significance hasn't been appreciated before; that is, until in retrospect the Dutch and Australian evidence is understood as ruling out a Buk ground-to-air missile attack on MH17.

Putin made his sources of evidence explicit to Obama. Why was the ATC reference made public? Answer: because Putin told Obama the lethal explosion which killed MH17 and everything in it originated from the air, not from the ground.

In retrospect today, the Dutch and Australian evidence corroborates what Obama heard from Putin that the ATC evidence (radio and radar) was showing an air-to-air attack against MH17. Obama, and his advisors listening in to the call or to the tape afterwards, had their own reasons to believe what the Kremlin announced curtly but publicly not long after. The Russian explanation for cause of crash and for cause of death was an aerial cause, not a terrestrial one. Obama and the US Government were bound to anticipate that after the telephone conversation more details of the Russian evidence would follow.

That was high noon for the White House. While Obama was on the presidential jet flying between Andrews airbase and New Castle airport, Delaware – a half-hour interval between 11:45 local time and 12:17 local time – he telephoned Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko and the Prime Minister of Malaysia, Najib Razak. This is the White House version, released more than six hours after the event.

What the US, Ukrainian and Malaysian communication records show is that in his calls to Poroshenko and Najib, there was a discussion of how to respond to Putin's claim of cause, liability, responsibility. Their media releases of what was said report "the United States has offered immediate assistance to support a prompt international investigation."

The US media records also indicate that between 15:30 and 16:00 local time (23:30 and midnight in Moscow) Obama followed from a ground location in New York with conference calls, first with Secretary of State John Kerry, and then with "with senior members of his national security team".

Kerry's spokesman at the State Department briefed the press, starting at 13:27, while Obama was still in Delaware and before Obama spoke with Kerry from New York. "At this point," according to Jen Psaki, "we do not have any confirmed information about casualties, the cause, or additional details." Her briefing, lasting 58 minutes, can be followed here. The transcript records she concluded at 14:25.

A press question early in the State Department session reveals the Buk story as the official position of the Foreign Ministry in Kiev:

QUESTION: …the Ukrainians' foreign ministry is saying that they have reason to believe this – not just a guess, but based on their assessment – that this was a Russian-made Buk missile that is in the hands of the Russian separatists. You also have kind of chatter on Twitter about some of the separatists saying that they did shoot down a plane. Has your team on the ground spoken to the Ukrainians? Have they told you that this is your assessment – that this is their assessment and you just want to get your own confirmation? I mean, where are you at this point?
MS. PSAKI: As I mentioned, we're in touch with Ukrainian authorities on this incident.
QUESTION: So they've obviously shared this assessment with you?
MS. PSAKI: I'm not – I don't have further readouts, but I think it's a safe assumption that we're discussing reports and, obviously, a range of comments that have been out there. We don't have our own confirmation of details. I can't predict for you if and when we will.

The first record of the Ukrainian Government's claims for cause of death can be read here.

In Kuala Lumpur Najib's public response to the Obama telephone call indicated no acceptance by the Malaysian government of an American or a Ukrainian analysis of cause of death.

We will find out what happened to the plane. If it was indeed shot down, we will press for the culprit to be brought to book. The Ukraine government believes the plane was shot down. However, at this stage, Malaysia has yet to identify the cause of the tragedy. If it transpires that the plane was indeed shot down, we insist that the perpetrators must swiftly be brought to justice. Emergency operations centres have been established. In the last few hours, Malaysian officials have been in constant contact with their counterparts in Ukraine and elsewhere. Obama and I agreed that the investigation will not be hidden and the international teams have to be given access to the crash scene.

Najib was intent on not becoming a hostage himself to the Ukrainian conflict, and draw voter blame for the loss of the Malaysian lives and aircraft, as he and his ministers had suffered four months earlier, in March, after the loss of Malaysian Airlines MH370 in the Indian Ocean. For more on the domestic politics influencing Najib at the time, read this.

The deaths of the 43 Malaysians on board MH17 were also personal for the prime minister. His step-grandmother Puan Sri Siti Amirah, 83, was killed in seat 21A.

CT scans, X-rays, autopsy sections, and spectroscopic testing of metals, which have now been conducted in The Netherlands and verified in Australia, make the Buk story impossible. This evidence cannot go further to identify the sources of the fatal damage to aircraft and passengers. To do that requires a return to the evidence of the Putin-Obama tapes, and the reinterpretation of what was said then in light of what is known now.

Initially, Obama's public statements after he had spoken to Putin did not suggest a cause for the downing of MH17. That came from other officials, led by Vice President Joe Biden.

During the conference calls which took place from New York in the afternoon of July 17, did they decide that if the evidence Putin gave Obama that morning were to be published and then believed, the responsibility for what had happened would be clear around the world – the Ukrainian Government had committed a war crime. That afternoon in New York, did the US Government decide it should defend and save the Ukrainian Government? Did Obama, Biden, Kerry, and the others decide that if holding their nose was what they had to do in the circumstances, pre-empting Putin's evidence with evidence of their own was required. And quickly.

The official responsible for presenting the Buk story as the official US Government "assessment" was the US Ambassador to the United Nations, Samantha Power. Here she is doing it, at the emergency session of the UN Security Council called the next day, July 18:

The Buk story has now failed because of the Dutch and Australian evidence. All that is required to corroborate this is the tape recording of what Putin and Obama said to each other. It doesn't matter whether the tape comes from the Kremlin, or from the White House. So long as they are the same.


Si, September 19, 2015 at 2:49 am

"Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it"

Adolf Hitler

rkka, September 19, 2015 at 4:10 am

One wonders why Ukrainian air traffic controllers directed the flight over an area of known combat operations between the Ukrainian Air Force and DLR air defenses. At the time, the Ukrainian Air Force had been conducting air to ground strikes, and the DLR air defenses had been firing back, shooting down numerous Ukrainian combat aircraft.

Eliot Higgins at Bellingcat does not deal with that question.

Ben, September 19, 2015 at 4:48 am

Helmer's key argument is that there were few metal fragments in the bodies of the victims, therefore they couldn't have been killed by a Buk missile, and therefore there must have been some sort of coverup.

What makes him think that it's impossible for the plane to be shot down leaving few fragments in the bodies? The Buk has a proximity fuse so it could have exploded *near* the airliner, not right next to it. So perhaps most of the shrapnel hit a wing, or the tail, causing enough damage for the plane to become uncontrollable and break up due to aerodynamic forces, killing the passengers by decompression, hypoxia & buffeting as the coroners describe.

Helmer doesn't quote any experts on the possibility of that missile bringing down that plane without leaving shrapnel in the bodies. The coroners didn't flag up the lack of shrapnel as a discrepancy- so to Helmer this is evidence that they're involved in the conspiracy too, but isn't the likelier explanation that lack of shrapnel in the bodies doesn't necessarily prove it wasn't a Buk shoot-down?

And if it wasn't a Buk, what was it? Helmer just suggests an explosion originating "in the air". What would have happened that both Putin and Obama would want to cover up? Helmer doesn't even suggest an alternative theory or theories; we can't weigh up the Buk theory against some other explanation.

This is classic conspiracy theory thinking: seize on a supposed anomaly in the official account based on non-expert understanding, without clearly stating your alternative explanation which better explains the anomaly (so nobody can point out the discrepancies with your theory).

Please bear in mind I'm not a Buk expert either. There may be some reason why a Buk exploding nearby couldn't damage the airliner enough to crash it without leaving shrapnel in the bodies, but Helmer doesn't say, or quote any experts.

craazyboy, September 19, 2015 at 2:44 pm

There was holes of some sort in recovered fuselage, up front near the pilots cabin. A BUK cannot explode close by and far away at the same time. I believe the war head is what they call "shaped charge". It's designed to blow packaged shrapnel in a wide cone to maximize hit probability.

guest , September 19, 2015 at 3:22 pm

An ex-colonel of the anti-aircraft defense forces from the East-German Nationale Volksarmee, and who was well-versed in operating BUK systems, disputed the claim that MH17 had been downed by a ground-to-air missile.

Here are two links (in German):

His main arguments:

a) Based on the photos of the wreck, the impact of projectiles are concentrated on a limited part of the fuselage. However, BUK missiles are designed to explode and send a whole cloud of thousands of small projectiles in order to guarantee a hit against a fast-moving military aircraft, and to strike as large a surface of the airplane as possible to ensure its destruction.

b) The photos show that that projectiles exited the fuselage. This is not consistent with the impact of BUK shrapnel.

c) Based on a purported video of the last few seconds of the crashing MH17, the airplane only caught fire after explosion upon impact. However, BUK shrapnel exhibits such kinetic energy that it would light fire to fuel, flammable materials and even some metallic parts upon entering the fuselage. This is something he observed every time he practiced with live BUK systems during NVA/Warsaw Pact exercises. The video should have shown the hulk of the aircraft ablaze rushing towards the ground.

All this was completely obliterated by the MSM. In truth, it was in German, so it did not help in the English-speaking world.

Gio Bruno, September 19, 2015 at 4:58 pm

Perhaps you've seen the size of a BUK missile warhead; or not. If you have followed Helmer's thesis you would understand that thousands of pieces of shrapnel are embedded in a BUK warhead, and that this proximity explosion would have riddled the MH17 fuselage and likely the passengers seated on the port (explosion) side of the aircraft. The idea that no metalurgical examination of recovered plane parts points to a BUK missile attack is as disconcerting as the lack of shrapnel in recovered bodies (and body parts).

The alternative explanation that you seek from Helmer has been made long ago (when the crash/attack occurred): a Ukrainian (Kiev directed) fighter jet is the likely culprit.

Julia Versau, September 19, 2015 at 5:15 am

Am I dense, or what? I'd like one simple concluding statement about the cause of the crash and who the likely culprit is. Is this article suggesting Obama and Putin colluded? I glean that the Buk missile story is hokum. Seriously, sometimes I despair at why today's stories never have an opening or concluding paragraph stating in plain freakin' English what the upshot is.

pretzelattack, September 19, 2015 at 7:22 am

somewhere in there he said it was the Ukrainian government.

Chris Williams, September 19, 2015 at 8:43 am

The air pilots blogs are full of this. Have been for ages, particularly when pics of the damage were inconsistent with a buk detonation.

Ukraine Govt? I reckon a lot people know exactly what happened.

It will all come out – the truth can't be stopped

rusti, September 19, 2015 at 10:55 am

It will all come out – the truth can't be stopped

This is an awfully optimistic view. I'm still scratching my head about JFK, Olof Palme, the bin Laden killing and just about everything else where I'm offered multiple contradictory viewpoints by people who are absolutely certain that they know what happened.

I wonder about how productive it is to obsess about the details of MH17 for myself as a layman, though I'm glad that the author had this forum to make his case at least and it was an interesting read.

The involvement of the major actors in the Ukraine does not, in my view, hinge particularly on whether or not the plane was downed by a Buk missile, even if that was a spark that risked escalating the stakes in a manner similar to the USS Maine. It seems more meaningful and concrete to me to focus on actors like Natalie Jaresko and Hunter Biden.

steelhead23, September 19, 2015 at 12:09 pm

Qui bono? Who benefits? And what is the benefit? Why would anyone shoot down a civilian airliner – on purpose? This incident is much easier to understand as an accident – that the separatists, tired of being bombed mercilessly, made a "fog of war" mistake. The fog of war kind of loses its value as a fig leaf if the aircraft was shot down by another plane. 'Accident' becomes far less likely. Then it's back to my initial query – who benefited from this incident.

The only benefit possible is the global indignation toward those "trigger happy" separatists and the beneficiary would be the Ukrainian gov't and its puppet master, the United States.

craazyboy, September 19, 2015 at 12:37 pm

True, but we are living in the Age of False Flags – and the beneficiary of it is the Uki guv gaining (more) western support. Taking that a level deeper – given the fractious nature of the Uki Guv, and Ukraine in general, it may be a stunt pulled off by "loyalists" without prior top guv knowledge.

Tho it would probably be discovered after the fact, and then the necessity of coverup is viewed as the lesser of all evils by top government.

susan the other, September 19, 2015 at 1:34 pm

It is doubtful it was an accident because MH17 was encouraged to take a shortcut over Ukraine when no other flights would have considered such a thing. Now Helmer raises all sorts of questions like Why Malasia? And what the hell were Putin and Obama arranging a phone agenda for before the crash? What timeliness.

That is some very unnerving cooperation. Then if it is a rogue player, Who? And Why? Leaving aside the hapless Poroshenko or the Uki Nazi lunatics, we have a large roster left to contemplate – but without any evidence.

Was it George Soros trying to make his investment pay off? Was it MI6 trying to make Soros' investment pay off? When we backed off the whole Uki revolution who went charging in with guns blazing and then got very quiet? Why did Netanyahu scurry off to Moscow yesterday? And etc, etc.

craazyboy, September 19, 2015 at 1:52 pm

Uki air control is a biggie in my mind too – and they've buried all evidence there as well, as Helmer pointed out in the previous posts.

I was thinking a scenario worth consideration is Uki Nazi lunatics, giving Poroshenko the benefit of the doubt he is not nuts too. But they couldn't keep something secret like launching a real UKI Air Force fighter quiet after the fact – so Poroshenko would panic and cover it up.

Netanyahu is now begging Putin not to support Assad – because this strengthens Hezbollah – Isreal's scariest enemy.

So that's an issue happening in the other Russian Invasion Front.

susan the other, September 19, 2015 at 2:07 pm

And also too. Just thinking @ this last week, Do the refugees know something we don't? Like all-out war using nuclear weapons? I'm just searching for answers. Clearly NeoCapitalism failed to keep globalism going. And/or global warming is calling the shots (my favorite reason). We are, as George Bush said, "going in." For several reasons. And we want Russia by our side (my take). Scary.

craazyboy, September 19, 2015 at 2:25 pm

I think the commies will launch a nuke at my missile plant here, long before they waste one Syria.

Lambert Strether, September 19, 2015 at 1:29 pm

Unless - and this is pure and uninformed speculation - what the Ukrainian government intended to happen was what almost did happen: A casus belli for war with Russia.

Rhondda, September 19, 2015 at 3:04 pm

A purposeful casus belli for war with Russia is what I think, too. As to who actually initiated it (presuming it was not a mistake)…lots of suspicious actors. None of 'em Russian. Not even helpful to think in term of govts in my view. Factions are where the action is.

I'll remind, although it may just be coinkydink, Putin's plane was reported to have passed through the area not half an hour before.

Lambert Strether, September 19, 2015 at 3:32 pm

I don't think that. The question was "cui bono." I presented a possibility. Certainly the Ukrainian government was corrupt, crazy, and desperate enough - and in that, a very good match for some factions in our national security establishment *** cough **** Victoria Nuland *** cough *** - but that doesn't add up to anything like proof (and there is also the fog of war, accident, and sheer incompetence to content with).

FedUpPleb September 19, 2015 at 6:08 am

I'm not a believer in the standard Ukraine narratives myself, but is this really NC material?

Tinky September 19, 2015 at 6:51 am

Given that the "standard Ukraine narratives" are American narratives, it is an extremely important issue, and very much "NC material".

Yves should be applauded for providing space to serious and independent journalists such as Helmer.

Barry Fay September 19, 2015 at 7:57 am

Hear, hear! I still hear people on NPR calling in and saying Putin shot down that plane and nobody takes notice! Yves should definitely be applauded! The whole incident was a textbook example of the propaganda abilities of America and its corporate owned media.

Gio Bruno September 19, 2015 at 5:20 pm

…stop listening to National Propaganda Radio. It's become nothing more than heart-tugging stories, and bromides for the Homeland. They should all be ashamed of themselves. As I once said to an office colleague, "You'll die here."

Alex morfesis September 19, 2015 at 8:06 am

There is more to economic planning and analysis then a 200 day moving average…and a random sampling of restaurant and art gallery openings in 20 cities by Robert Shiller

Pat September 19, 2015 at 8:26 am

The Ukrainian version is full of crap. American support for it is not based on goodwill towards the Ukrainian people, any more then their support for a coup of the Ukrainians previous President was. It is about positioning in a political situation that is as much based on retaining economic superiority as it is about remaining the dominant Super Power.

Add to it that this propaganda issue is part and parcel of the justification for the significant amount of money the US government is sending (bribing) the Ukrainian government and its officials. That influx of capital alone is reason enough for Naked Capitalism to cover it, the significant strategic positioning of economic interests aside.

Veri1138 September 19, 2015 at 12:25 pm

Pan Am 103, blamed on The Libyans with evidence to show it was The PFLP operating on behalf of The Iranians in response to Iran Air Flight 655 being shot down by USS Vincennes. People tend to forget the past.

Watt4Bob September 19, 2015 at 9:13 am

The situation in Ukraine reveals the nexus between neo-liberal economic policy, and neocon foreign policy. How craven are the 'leaders' of the 'western' powers, controlled by the insane, psychopathic, financial interests centered in New York and the City of London? They are craven enough to engulf the world in war and ever deepening misery for personal profit.

What this article attempts, to reveal is the depths of deprivation which our governments have sunk in their slavish support of the neo-liberal economic agenda as enforced by the strictures of neocon foreign policy.

In short, capitalism laid bare, naked capitalism.

What could possibly be more appropriate 'material' for this site

NotTimothyGeithner September 19, 2015 at 9:39 am

Guns and butter.

-Joe Biden's son is player in planned fracking in the war zone.
-Russian scares are being pushed before defense appropriation votes
-Russian companies are competing on the world market. If an S-400 provides air defense, why do I need an F-35 (the promise not the reality) if I'm not interested in conquest.
-gee, proposed Russian pipelines are being blocked while McCain and friends are promising to ship gas across the pond in under 2 years.

"War is a racket."

Lambert Strether September 19, 2015 at 1:26 pm

As an exercise in politics and power, most certainly.

It's also good to get this material on the record as Biden's star ascends in the 2016 primary, since he keeps popping up at crucial moments.

Yves Smith Post author, September 19, 2015 at 2:07 pm

First, if you read our About section, the most important mission of this site is to promote critical thinking.

Second, we've treated Ukraine as peripheral (links material), generally speaking, save for the IMF funding. But the whole Cold War II effort has major economic implications, and the matter of MH17 "investigation" serves to illustrate how keen the US is to foment conflict.

Look, even if the rebels did bring down the plane with a Buk, they didn't intend to. There's nothing to be gained and plenty to lose in taking down passenger planes. And how many innocent civilians does the US murder by drone, where American citizens are told, "Well, they don't count" or "They were guilty too because they were obviously connected to people we are sure were bad guys"?

rkka September 19, 2015 at 6:49 am

One wonders why the Ukrainian air traffic controllers directed the flight over an active conflict zone, where the Ukrainian Air Force had been conducting aerial strikes on the DLR, and the DLR air defense system had been shooting down Ukrainian combat aircraft during the course of active hostilities.

LifelongLib September 19, 2015 at 2:49 pm

IIRC there was a restricted zone at a lower altitude but not at the altitude the MH17 flight was at. Presumably nobody thought any of the (ground) combatants had weapons that could hit an aircraft flying that high.

ltr September 19, 2015 at 8:01 am

A superb series of posts for which I am especially grateful. Really important investigative journalism and essential reading for us.

timbers September 19, 2015 at 9:29 am

MH17 is Obama's WMD in Iraq moment.

Don't know why but found this Helmer article much easier to read than the previous ones. If Putin or someone released those recordings of Obama/Putin it would probably show Obama (and Hillary) to the liars they are. On the other hand the corporate owned and U.S. media is so agenda driven they might deliberately ignore it and tell us to move along, Putin did it.

On related topic, Putin giving more aid to Assad in Syria is looking like another smart game changing move as it appears it will limit the area Obama can bomb, specifically the areas that would most weaken Assad. And since Obama is funding/training/supportiing ISIS and Al-Qeada to further regime change in Syria by pretending to bomb ISIS when he really wants to bomb Assad, this could make all the waves if refugees, bombed civilians and infrastructure of nations that Obama is responsible for, wasted effort should this Putin move stymie Obama regime change and.

Obama's cold blooded bombing regime change calculations reminds of the ferris wheel scene in The Third Man, when Orson Welles asks Joseph Cotton how many of the little ant like specs moving below them he can live without to make some nice profit diluting antibiotics in post WWII Vienna black market.

Watt4Bob September 19, 2015 at 9:30 am

Was it something I said? Immoderate, I think making war in support of financial interests is immoderate.

david September 19, 2015 at 10:29 am

The forward cabin near the pilots have been shown with inside and outside tear marks / perforations with roughly round holes on web site photos on opposite sides of the skin of the plane – are these recovered pieces actually recovered from the crash site ?

craazyboy September 19, 2015 at 10:52 am

I guess if someone found a 50mm cannon projectile lodged between the pilots eyeballs, the investigation would have gone quicker. But no. You wouldn't find any at the crash site either, or even shell casings, because the event happened in the air many miles away and they would have eventually fallen to ground who knows where.

craazyboy September 19, 2015 at 10:43 am

Well, if the Ministry of Truth classified lack of BUK metal evidence a week ago, the open investigation is proceeding swimmingly in my view. Besides, the Separatist's Air Force may have fighter aircraft, for all we know – and Big Bro may soon disclose that fact to us as well.

NotTimothyGeithner September 19, 2015 at 11:47 am

Didn't one of Obama's public statements blame Putin for "creating conditions" for MH17 to crash? If the truth comes out, I expect to see a similar statement. Of course, the White House flunkies seem to be blaming Hillary and the Pentagon for urging aggressive stances.

craazyboy September 19, 2015 at 1:55 pm

Twitter verifies their users, so no spooks there!

Steve in Flyover September 19, 2015 at 1:36 pm

Boy, the Rooskies are pulling out all the stops to avoid taking the blame for this one. I'd have a little more sympathy, if they didn't have a long anbfd bloody history of "accidentally" shooting airliners down. Too bad they didnthave these propaganda/media experts Iin place in 1981……… they could have blamed KAL 007 on the Japanese.

Lack of BUK shrapnel does not mean that it wasnt shot down by a BUK. And besides, how long did they have control of the bodies before they were released?

So by saying it wasnt a BUK, the only alternative is that it was caused by a heat seeking missile from a Ukranian SU 24………..which is an even bigger pile of BS.

Funny……for months before this incident, the separatists were claiming to have been zapping Ukranian Air Force airplanes with SAMs all over eastern Ukraine. Until someone effed up. Then, they all just happened to take the day off.

No matter. The Russian got their version out there first. So, as anyone who has ever taken issue with Republican BS knows, it takes 5 times the bandwidth worth of facts to debunk the original BS.

craazyboy September 19, 2015 at 2:13 pm

Well, well. Were shall we start.

The BUK. It has a proximity fuse which detonates some distance in front of it's target, and then explodes like a big bomb with 8000 pieces of packaged shrapnel bursting out in a wide conical path.

I think not finding any in at least the front of airplane passengers is very weird.

The first step is in determining whether the attack came from the ground or the air.

On to your "SAMs". The Separatists have shoulder fired missiles, which can be effective against low altitude attack aircraft which are swopping down doing a bombing/strafing run. They can't hit anything above 10,000 ft., and MH-17 was at around 30,000 ft.

So, a ground attack is looking unlikely, then an air attack from something would become the focus of any impartial investigation.

Actually, the Russians quickly put forth the SU-24 scenario – but that one seems tough to believe as well. I'm thinking what if a real fighter plane did it?

cirsium September 19, 2015 at 2:54 pm

Is it not the Canadians or OSCE who got their version out first including a picture of part of the aircraft fuselage damaged by machine gun bullets? See from 6.23 minutes into the interview with the OSCE representative in this clip http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/malaysia-airlines-mh17-michael-bociurkiw-talks-about-being-first-at-the-crash-site-1.2721007?cmp=rss&partner=sky

The following post also links back to the interview
http://www.anderweltonline.com/wissenschaft-und-technik/luftfahrt-2014/shocking-analysis-of-the-shooting-down-of-malaysian-mh17/

Chris Williams September 19, 2015 at 4:01 pm

thank you for that link. Yes, he clearly says the holes look like the plane was strafed by a fighter jet using its cannon. And, he qualifies and says he is not an expert.

The 'experts' have looked at the physical evidence and I think their conclusions are at odds with Putin did it. He armed the separatists etc… Takes time to get the right narrative, particularly when so many aviation investigators want to tell the truth, but can't

Lambert Strether September 19, 2015 at 4:07 pm

"How long did they control the bodies"?

Huh? What are you saying? There were shrapnel wounds after all, but they magically got sewed up or healed? Or a new set of bodies was swapped in, but nobody noticed, including the Australian coroners?

Fun with IHL September 19, 2015 at 2:01 pm

Highest compliments on this forensic-quality exposition. Any court in the world could try this crime, and 194 are obligated to do so if they find any suspects in their jurisdiction. What would they make of it?

The Ukrainian command structure is implicated in intentional attacks against the civilian population, presuming that the hostilities are an armed conflict not of an international character. On the other hand, the US command structure is implicated in the inchoate Nuremberg crimes (criminalized in paragraphs 500 and 501 of U.S. Army Field Manual 27-10) of incitement, conspiracy and complicity. US war propaganda regarding MH-17 was incidental to US aggression in Ukraine: sending by or on behalf of a State of armed bands, groups, irregulars or mercenaries. Joint responsibility for satisfaction up to and including prosecution, would be invoked differently depending on the extent to which the US is found to direct and control the successor state in Ukraine.

So how to get to Obama and his Clandestine Service superiors? Go after Power. The Big Lie originates with her. Power's diplomatic immunity does not hold for such serious crimes, and she wouldn't hesitate to rat her bosses out in a pinch. FIDH can pull a Pinochet (That's how they shooed Bush out of Switzerland in 2011.)

Not saying we should string the scumbag up. The death penalty is an atavism. Brennan's got it coming, but maybe we won't even lock Obama up. Obama can retire in Jeddah at Idi Amin's old place.

Lambert Strether September 19, 2015 at 2:09 pm

Ah yes, Samanatha Power of "responsibility to protect" (R2P). I don't know why the rot sets in so fast with liberal interventionists, as opposed to, say, Kissinger or Brezinski. Perhaps it's because they're rotten already, so we never notice a change.

NotTimothyGeithner September 19, 2015 at 4:53 pm

It's just old fashioned imperial rot and moving the Overton Window. Kissinger has been allowed to play an elder statesman, and anyone who isn't as loathsome as he was revealed to be seems great. Kissinger in a vacuum seems not terrible, but we are judging him from the end of his career. R2P sounds nice, but it's nothing more than an updated version of the white man's burden. We even rescue and parade around the civilized victims. After Cheney, the bar was set low. Look at Team Blue, they are treating a Biden candidacy as a serious threat.

Chauncey Gardiner September 19, 2015 at 2:20 pm

If accurate, Helmer's summary raises some very serious questions. Among them:

  • Why the attempted cover-up?
  • Was the act both intentional and committed with full knowledge of the nature of the target?

If the Malaysian Air jet was a case of mistaken identity, who was the real intended target and why? If this tragic incident was attributable to an error, why did the mistake occur? Was it simply negligence, was it attributable to an intel failure, a communication failure, fighter pilot error, or did intentional diversion play a role?

Did U.S. military or other U.S. officials have foreknowledge of or involvement in the decision to target a specific aircraft that led to the tragic loss of those 298 innocent souls on MH017, including many children?

If Hellmer's account is correct, how long are we going to extend credibility, mainstream media access, and official podiums to serial liars that enable them to represent their values and views as being the official USG position?

A war crime?… certainly appears to fit the definition. But as much as it pains me to say it in light of the related loss of life and what is presently occurring elsewhere, perhaps Obama and Putin jointly deserve some credit for quietly neutering those who sought to use this tragic incident as a casus belli to engineer a broader conflict.

NotTimothyGeithner September 19, 2015 at 4:25 pm

"Who was the real target?"

There may not have been a real target, just fog of war. Short of a concerted plan to down the airliner, the direct fault lies with air traffic control.

I could easily envision a scenario where a Kiev jet or BUK outfit from either side saw an unknown jet enter the war zone and assumed it was reinforcements from the other side. The combatants aren't regulars with full functioning command and control.

Obama quietly neutering? The guy has been foaming at the mouth. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2697595/Hurry-wait-Obama-blames-separatists-Putins-control-plane-crash-wants-hold-sanctions-outrage-unspeakable-proportions-investigated.html

Neutering wouldn't involve new bases and major military exercises in Eastern Europe. Perhaps, he has finally learned Hillary and her ilk are clowns, but let's give credit where it's due. Obama forced the issue with support for a coup, keeping neocons in the government, pushing in Syria, over stepping the no fly zone in Libya, making a public shift to our new enemy China, and so forth. The buck stops with the President when the criminals are appointees.

[Sep 19, 2015] Clock Ticks On US Syria Strategy As Assad Pounds ISIS Targets, Russia Sends Fighter Jets

Suddenly the hypocrite-fiends of Western Europe wanted the conflict in Syria over.
"...Putin had literally called Washington's bluff, forcing The White House to either admit that this isn't about ISIS at all, or else join Russia in fighting them. "
"... Economic destruction followed by political stability exploited for regime change. The most damaging of those sanctions (and the easiest for the U.S. financial bully to enforce) are banking sanctions. Those are also easiest to ram through the tratiorous little bitches in congress with the least amount of hand-wringing and public outcry. No bad PR from Twitter pictures of dead babies or mutilated kids and destroyed homes, but destruction of the 'target' just the same."
"...Yet another neocon fiasco. Uncounted billions gone, Syriah shattered forever, oh, and our dearest allies in Europe overrun with filthy penniless refugees. Way to go Team America!"
Sep 19, 2015 | Zero Hedge

Note that this is a bitter defeat for Washington. Moscow, realizing that instead of undertaking an earnest effort to fight terror in Syria, the US had simply adopted a containment strategy for ISIS while holding the group up to the public as the boogeyman par excellence, publicly invited Washington to join Russia in a once-and-for-all push to wipe Islamic State from the face of the earth. Of course The Kremlin knew the US wanted no such thing until Assad was gone, but by extending the invitation, Putin had literally called Washington's bluff, forcing The White House to either admit that this isn't about ISIS at all, or else join Russia in fighting them.

... ... ...

Meanwhile, behind the scenes, the man some suspect of masterminding the entire effort to restore the Assad regime, Quds commander Major General Qassem Soleimani, seems to understand the US strategy all too well - we close with the following from Iran's PressTV:

Commander of the Quds Force of the Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC) Major General Qassem Soleimani said Wednesday that the policy of the US with regards to Daesh and other Takfiri groups operating in the region is to only have them under control and not eliminate them.

nnnnnn

don't forget who's creating this so called "terrorists"?

Motasaurus

It's entirely possible to forget though, since there's so many.

There's Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Jordan, Israel, London, the USA, France, Australia, and NATO. I'm probably still missing some.

Stackers

Assad is still stuck with the same big problem. He does not have the infantry numbers to defeat ISIS.

You can see prime example of this on YouTube clips of Syrian T-72 tanks doing close quarters street fighting and getting taken out by RPG's because they have no supporting infantry to sweep out the enemy infantry. Heavy tactical equipment like artillary, tanks and fighter aircraft is fine, but at the end of the day you have to be able to sweep through with enough boots to control the area.

At best Assad can wage a holding stalemate until the Russians actually deploy 10's of thousands of ground troops.

Latina Lover

Not true. Cut off the supply lines and cash funnel, and ISIS will fall apart. When the USSA, Turkey, Saudi Arabia figure out the game is over, they will cut off money.

Money Counterfeiter

Someone needs to tell Putin Israel is right next door to the south. Why let a crisis go o waste?

Manthong

Now that the Rooskies have changed the battlescape from US State's obsession to displace secular Assad with some Muslim Arab terrorist pipeline puppet to solving the US/Saudi/NATO/ISIS chaos problem, maybe the ISIS terror mercenaries will finally get a taste of their own medicine.

Everyday Europeans should be rooting for Russia and Assad if they want to solve the root cause of their Islamic invasion problem.

Manthong

Those ISIS shills really had it made for a while.. like, where else could you get money, training, military bases, unused armor and weapons parachute delivered to your doorstep?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NzFJxX8yoY

sun tzu

Yes, against that vaunted American ISIS mercenary fighting force that is known for its military prowess LOL. Your fearsome ISIS with full US military training, weapons, and air support can't even defeat Assad's little military force with 40 year old tanks.

They're good at chopping off heads of unarmed people and that's about it. Most are foreign jihadist idiots born and raised in Western nations under rap and hiphop MTV music. Unlike the Taliban and in Iraq, they are not fighting for their homeland. The western mercs leading the ISIS forces are also a bunch of cowards. Once they face death from air attacks, the paycheck no longer means anything. Those mercs are good at overthrowing third world countries. They didn't sign up to be attacked by cruise missiles.

847328_3527

I remember when George Bush said, "God talked to him."

wtf?!

You would a thought Americans would have wised up at least after THAT!

The Indelicate Genius

ISIS Leader Admits to Being Funded by the US
http://www.globalresearch.ca/isis-leader-admits-to-being-funded-by-the-u...

Now, who knows how reliable that site it - but who still thinks that whatever makes it into the NY Times is reliable?

two hoots

News:

Kerry in UK to push for end to Syrian conflict:

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-34298826

nope-1004

Kerry in UK to push for end to Syrian embarrassment:

fify

Clearly the US could wipe ISIS if they wanted to, but since ISIS is a USA asset, used to destabilize the region so "democracy" can be forced once "humanitarian problems arise", it will be kept until no longer useful.

The origins of ISIS are quite interesting. The flow of supplies are rather obvious. .GOV is the worlds largest terrorist if you follow the dots.

After being caught red-handed shipping USA vehicles for ISIS militants, .gov has come out saying that the image was doctored. LMFAO!!!! The propaganda is mind blowing.

This photo, taken from a propaganda video, shows a near identical scene featuring a different truck, raising questions as to the authenticity of the photo featuring Mr Oberholtzer's truck

"Raising questions....". From whom?

Fascism. It's obvious.

shovelhead

Wait until ISIS has some Truly Nolan trucks...

http://www.trulynolen.com/images/locations/service-tabs/commercial-pc-ba...

trulz4lulz's picture

How anyone could down vote that is beyond me, but one thing is for certain, Murikistan still wouldnt be able to find them with their hundreds of billions of dollars worth of satelites raoming the lower atmosphere of Earth.

Fractal Parasite

Kerry in UK to push for end to Syrian calamity.

Oh, now that the State Dept's takfiris are getting their asses whipped, suddenly Horse Face wants a negotiated peace.

Mr al-Assad has been offering talks for four years.

Freddie

Just like the Ukraine. The NovoRussians (DPR and LPR) get the Ukie Army in a cauldron (surrounded) and we have Minsk 1 then they get surrounded again and Minsk 2. There were probably mercs and Spec Ops in those cauldrons. they sue for peace when they are losing.

Kudos to the Ukie soldiers who quit and surrendered knowing they were being used by Kiev and kudos for the NovoRussians for treating the Ukies humanely when they surrendered.

PM Zakarchenko of DPR has said there will be no Minsk 3.

johngaltfla

BigK spot on. And once they are bottled up there, it becomes a Saudi problem again. Because what is left of the "rebels" in Syria will be ashes and incinerated bodies. The Syrian AF is doing this without the Russian AF; wait until the Russians start dropping their bombs at altitude and square blocks of terrorists begin to get vaporized.

Zero Point

A bit like how they pushed the Mujahadeen out of Afghanistan? Wait... what?

NeedtoSecede

"We are only going to arm the moderate rebels."

From the second that phrase came out of .gov's piehole I know this was going to turn into a cluster fuck of epic proportions. What a fucking joke...

Kayman

"moderate rebels"

But first we are going to round up some Unicorns for transportation.

"Christmas Greetings to the Fatherland from your brave and successful army in Stalingrad."

The Indelicate ...

The Jesuits are about 2500 old men. Apart from a few colleges and on campus mansions with well-stocked bars - they don't control dick.

I see this notion all over CNN and youtube comments, like it is an organized effort.

Lots of valid criticisms to offer about the RCC - but controlling the world smacks of obvious gatekeeping for the usual suspects

... ... ...

PacOps

Good interview: al-Assad and Russian media.

http://sana.sy/en/?p=54857

President al-Assad to Russian media outlets.. We cannot implement anything unless we defeat the terrorism.. The army is the most important symbol for any society.

Carpenter1

Here's Putin paying homage to the Pope and Vatican.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/11/26/article-2513236-19A3B6AA000005...

When will you stupid fucks figure this out??

misnomer

No. He chose to kiss the book and NOT the Pope's ring because Orthodox Christian's do not believe the Pope should be venerated or exalted as Christ. It is very telling that he chose to kiss the Bible instead.

Fractal Parasite

Here it is on youtube. All in English (mostly dubbed).

40-minute RT interview with Bashar al-Assad by a Russian delegation in Damascus.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wELCDCPsw6M

Blankone

Re comment by Publicus:

"Russia is showing the world the correct way to deal with terrorists. EXTERMINATION."

BUT Russia is not doing any fighting. None. Putin still has not fired a shot.

What has happened is that Syria now has some accurate weapons. Finally! Which begs the question.

Why was Syria not supplied accurate weapons before now. They have been fighting and losing and dieing for several years. Much of Syria is destroyed, cities destroyed and the people killed or refugees in other countries. And it appears Putin was not suppling Russia's better quality weapons. I am not even talking about suppling the S-300, as was contracted for in 2007, but rocket launchers, decent air to ground missiles for air strikes and accurate artillery. What kind of support is it when you refuse to sell those types of weapons to an "allie' who is under attack?

Putin/Russia has not fired a shot, flown a mission or put people in the field. Russia has finally supplied some weapons that might help Assad punish the insurgents who hold much of northern Syria. If the west ups the stakes in their support will Russia finally take a direct role in flying missions or launching real missiles?

And why is Putin trying to negotiate a political agreement that includes the removal of Assad? How is that being supportive or is that just being opportunistic to do regime change using a new Russian puppet?

Fractal Parasite

Reasonable questions. Re-read the article for the answers. It explains how Emperor Washington & co have been exposed as without clothes after a year of off-target "air strikes against ISIS in Syria" while Russia steps in and gets the job done in a week.

Pity ¼ millions Syrians got killed before then, but who did that?

The claim that Putin is negotiating Assad's removal is bullcrap.

Blankone

You need to re read the article. Russia did not fly any missions or fire a single shot. Nothing.

Also, read who got killed. Seems most were civilians. But those here seem to think it is ok when their side kills the innocent.

Putin held negotiations with the leaders of the insurgents and even hosted them as his guests recently in Russia. Why do you think he flew them to Russia, to drink vodka? It was reported that Putin wanted some figure head role for Assad and the insurgents want him dead.

Lurk Skywatcher

Where does that BBC article say "civilians"?

You have as much evidence for them being civilians as I do for them being US/UK handlers and "trainers".

Why hasn't he supported Assad until now? Why did he fly insurgent leaders to Russia for talks? Why are you confused and critical of everything he has done?

Because constantly you try to squeeze Putins opaque actions into your own flawed concept of statesmanship, and assume to understand completely what is happening. Constantly you read things into events that suit your own bias.

He knows what he is doing - twice in as many years he has deftly avoided a trap set to mire Russia in war.

If he had acted as you critisize him for not acting, he would have been long caught in the first one.

And that shows exactly how worthless and wrong your opinion is.

Crash Overide

There are a lot of people that should be in jail... start 1, 2, 3 wars! no problem, get promoted.

Being a veteran that fought in so called wars and smokes pot for PTSD, you will be shot in your own home and arrested.

Amerika!

General Wesley Clark:

Because I had been through the Pentagon right after 9/11. About ten days after 9/11, I went through the Pentagon and I saw Secretary Rumsfeld and Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz. I went downstairs just to say hello to some of the people on the Joint Staff who used to work for me, and one of the generals called me in. He said, "Sir, you've got to come in and talk to me a second." I said, "Well, you're too busy." He said, "No, no." He says, "We've made the decision we're going to war with Iraq." This was on or about the 20th of September. I said, "We're going to war with Iraq? Why?" He said, "I don't know." He said, "I guess they don't know what else to do." So I said, "Well, did they find some information connecting Saddam to al-Qaeda?" He said, "No, no." He says, "There's nothing new that way. They just made the decision to go to war with Iraq." He said, "I guess it's like we don't know what to do about terrorists, but we've got a good military and we can take down governments." And he said, "I guess if the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem has to look like a nail."

So I came back to see him a few weeks later, and by that time we were bombing in Afghanistan. I said, "Are we still going to war with Iraq?" And he said, "Oh, it's worse than that." He reached over on his desk. He picked up a piece of paper. And he said, "I just got this down from upstairs" - meaning the Secretary of Defense's office - "today." And he said, "This is a memo that describes how we're going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran." I said, "Is it classified?" He said, "Yes, sir." I said, "Well, don't show it to me." And I saw him a year or so ago, and I said, "You remember that?" He said, "Sir, I didn't show you that memo! I didn't show it to you!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw

indygo55

I know the puppet masters are very good but sorry, I think Putin is the real deal. I think the puppet masters are NOT in total control of the world and Russia and China are really not going for the murder criminal cabal that does control the West.

I-am-not-one-of-them

"Russia and the US serve the same master"

Boris Yeltsin ain't President anymore

Motasaurus

It's a proxy war. For at least the last three years Iran and Saudi Arabia have been fighting each other tooth and nail all over the Middle East. Sauid Arabia through their Islamist irregulars and Iran through their regular army (though in the case of Yemen the roles are reversed), brough in by Iraq and Syria to fight them off.

But now that the U.S. and her allies have openly entered the proxy war (remember, the U.S. has been bombing Syria for a couple of weeks now) it released Russia to do the same.

The proxy is a whole lot more direct now, and it looks like the U.S. will blink first. She doesn't like being met by capable oponents that she has to confront directly - despite all the military spending.

Carpenter1

Look at all the fools here, thinking Russia is actually against the US.

Russia has a central bank, therefore it attends the BIS meetings in Switzerland and is a major part of the globalist agenda.

indygo55

There is a break in the force. Putin may break away this year from The London based Rothschild central bank system. He needs and now has a reason (need) to do so:

http://yournewswire.com/putin-to-nationalise-rothschild-central-bank/

Fractal Parasite

Russia's central bank was established under Yeltsin, the drunkard puppet who 'invited' advisors from Washington to write Russia's laws after the USSR was surrendered dismembered to the victorious hegemon in 1991.

As soon as the pathetic legislating cretins in the Duma grow a pair and take some action to reform the Central Bank Law and undo the subordination to BIS, then the people can have their country back.

Paveway IV

"...It's a proxy war. For at least the last three years Iran and Saudi Arabia have been fighting each other tooth and nail all over the Middle East...."

I agree in part, Motasaurus. This is a huge part of what's happening that's often relegated to a footnote of 'causes'. But the situation is far more complex. Years of European and American empire-building, Oil interests, ZATO's Russian 'containment' attempt, religious extremism, Israel land-grabbing and Turkish criminal clownfuckery are all rolled into one here. Every one is needed to trace the path that ended us up here.

"...Sauid Arabia through their Islamist irregulars and Iran through their regular army (though in the case of Yemen the roles are reversed), brough in by Iraq and Syria to fight them off."

That's a part of it, but I will offer an alternative: this is a banker war between Saudi Arabia/Qatar and Iran/Iraq/Syria, with the U.S. squarely backing the Saudi Arabia/Qatar side, cheered on by Israel and ZATO.

The neocon/Kagan/ISW noise about armed intervention is kind of the after-show for Syria. How did all their wars start? Iraq started with sanctions. Iran started with sanctions. Syria started with sanctions. Economic destruction followed by political stability exploited for regime change. The most damaging of those sanctions (and the easiest for the U.S. financial bully to enforce) are banking sanctions. Those are also easiest to ram through the tratiorous little bitches in congress with the least amount of hand-wringing and public outcry. No bad PR from Twitter pictures of dead babies or mutilated kids and destroyed homes, but destruction of the 'target' just the same.

Case in point [from Kenneth Rijock's Financial Crime Blog]:

Adam Szubin, formerly the Director of OFAC, and now the Acting Undersecretary for Terrorism and Financial Crimes, at his confirmation hearing, asserted that, should any Iranian bank, released from sanctions, due to the comprehensive nuclear agreement, re-offend, meaning conducting any transactions with Hezbollah or the IRGC Quds Force, American sanctions will be reimposed forthwith.

So if this guy is going to be the Terrorism and Financial Crimes guy, why was he silent about the same sanction threat for Saudi Arabia and Qatar? They regularly use the banking system to move massive amounts of money to finance their terrorist war in both Syria and Iraq. Where's the outrage there? How many Americans have already died (and will die) because dual-citizen israeli-firster Szubin (his two predecessors in the job were the same) pees his pants about any Iranian funds going to 'enemies of Israel' but he - just like his predecessors - will completely ignore ANY of the widely-known money transfer mechanisms the Saudis and Qatar use to fund terrorists?

The joke in all this is that the U.S. is the first to employ sanctions when it suits Israel's whims, but refuses to even acknowledge the river of money flowing to ISIS, al Nusra and the dozens of other head-chopper clans that the Saudis and Qatar fund. Why? Because to Israel (and their little bitches in the U.S. congress) any dime spent on terrorists that oppose Iran or any of their allies is not terrorist funding - it's democracy building. Ever heard of a Saudi or Qatar bank sanctioned? Ever hear of a U.S. or European bank sanctioned for moving terrorist payrolls every week to ISIS? ISIS steals and extorts a lot of money from it's imprisoned populations, but they hardly have the financial wherewithal to fund a damn global war. ISIS isn't running a cash war with suitcases of fiat - they have to use banks like everyone else for the big stuff.

Russia knows this. It wasn't going to feed it's soldiers into a meatgrinder again (like Afghanistan) funded by Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the U.S.. Putin supports Assad, but would not take Russia down merely to defend Syria. All Putin had to do was wait until enough corruption and theft corroded the terrorism financing pipeline. Now it doesn't matter how much money goes in - very little gets to the terrorists on the front lines. The head-choppers are starving. Let's just say Putin has some experience on both sides of the fence dealing with corrupt psychopaths and their criminal regimes' amazing ability to self-destruct from rot.

Turkey got greedy and took too much skim from the terrorist logistics network. The jihadis themselves have been robbing ISIS and al Nusra blind of everything - weapons, radios, cash. Mostly to support their two biggest habits: food and ampehtamines. Although they continue to fund the terrorists, Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the U.S. have to be convinced by now that it's like storing water in a sieve (but maybe I give them too much credit here).

ISIS and al Nusra are on their financial death-bed from corruption. Good at head-chopping, not so good handling money. Putin merely has to get Assad to kick a few pegs out from under them to hasten the collapse. There will be no mass influx of Russian troops because it's unnecessary. Russia is not trying to annihilate ISIS in a war of attrition - they're letting it rot on the hoof, and giving it an occasional well-placed kick. Back-door Turkish-ISIS deals for oil? Bomb the f'king oil wells - no more oil sales. U.S.-ZATO intelligence via scrambled SATCOM links? Take out the ground stations - six months to get the new crap there which Russia will direct Assad to take out again. Takfiri payday? Smoke the al Raqqa branch of the ISIS/ZATO central bank. Next up: main branch in Mosul.

Russia has no desire, and Putin just has enough common sense not to fight ZATO terrorists on their (or the Kagan's) terms: rivers of blood and money. Russia has neither to waste and has demonstrated over and over again that they won't fall for ZATO's usual tricks. They let the ZATO terrorists in Syria bleed out by self-inflicted cuts, and will merely direct Assad where to inflict the final set of wounds to finish them off.

In the mean time, ISW and the Kagans are still trying to decide if there's some other way they can get the sieve to hold water. As of late, the strategy seems to be to send Kerry to negotiate something based on the premise that the sieve is still holding water. It's kind of pathetic when you think about it.

chunga

I'd like to see a stinging rebuke that causes the Murikans to reel in their policy of maliciously fucking with everybody's shit all over the world. The trouble is, in order to preserve the petro dollar and reserve status the military must maintain it's aura of invincibility because everything else is coming into question.

Therefore it seems likely they'll do something very stupid to antagonize nuclear armed Russia. Unlike China or other countries, Russian nukes are not in the experimental phase of development and every ICBM they launch is likely to perform flawlessly.

sandhillexit

U.S. leadership abdicated and let Bibi and Nuland take the Syria fight to Russia's door, using the cousins...nearly everyone in Israel still has a cousin in Ukraine. Russia was not supposed to respond like this was a existential threat, but they did. First he locked down the Crimea. Despite hardship, the country is rallying behind Putin. You won't starve on red beets and chicken, in fact you'll be pretty healthy...that is, the Russians can outlast the French and Italian farmers who have lost their market. And the Russians understand that the same Chechen mercs who blow up their trains and schools....and are on the Saudi payroll.....are running training camps now in Syria.

There might be a deeper "game." It is highly plausible that the City of London looked around twenty years ago for someone competent, not a klepto and backed the Putin horse to protect their investments in Russia. Not a bad choice. The British foreign service is so much more competent than ours. And they have just reopened their embassy in Teheran, having turned Basra over to the Iranians before they pulled troops out. USA is so badly served.

The definitive book on Russian & Jewish relations was written by Solzynitzin. It's called "200 Years Together" and it has not been translated/published in English. You can't buy it at Amazon. THINK about that.

But that isn't so important right now. At the level of families living or dying, 2000-year old Christian treasures being obliterated by ISIS Bolsheviks, he is the only thing that stands up to Bibi's lunacy. The Germans seem to be making the same calculus. They think the US has lost the plot.

Remember Bibi is expendable. All it takes is a vote of no-confidence by the military. Livni could step up. BHO isn't going to reach out ot help a 'friend' because...well...

AmericanFUPAcabra

The people of Crimea voted on a referendum to join Russia and 95+% voted in favor of doing so. Other than that nice post @@

My Days Are Getting Fewer

Excellent summary here:

http://www.vho.org/tr/2004/3/Strauss342-351.html

Read the last sentence...

godiva chocolate

The US is neither free nor a democracy itself. How dare it spread its oligarchy onto other countries.

FireBrander

The USA in 2015 is the end result of a "Free Market"...it is what happens when the concentration of wealth/power goes unchecked...even ecouraged....Corporate Crony Capitalism...where the bulk of the "profits" fall into the hands of th e few...That is America today.

Show me someone that thinks "Socialism" has brought us to this point, and I'll show you a complete fucken Rightwing moron.

max2205

The killing fields. Putin helping EU to stop the mass exodus as well

researchfix

But they will blame him nonetheless.

Usurious

They always doooooooo............

world map of US military installations........

http://empire.is/

Spiritof42

It's Russian payback time for Afghanistan.

It's not that I'm rooting for the Russians and Syrians. I don't give a shit who stuffs the USSA, NATO and Israel, as long as it's done.

withglee

may have turned the tide in the country's four-year civil war.

This is a propaganda marker. Syria is not having a "civil" war. They are under attack by the USA CIA and Israel Mossad.

NoWayJose

I have always wondered how ISIS continues to operate tanks and Humvees across open desert without any coalition air strikes. They have training camps and barracks and offices without worrying about air strikes. They have parades and convoys of vehicles without fear. They operate oilfields and refineries at will, and transport and sell the output. The U.S. is allowing this. Putin will not.

The U.S. wants to track my $10,000 withdrawal, freeze Iranian money, seize Russian billionaire's funds, peek into Swiss bank accounts -- yet cannot track ISIS oil revenues and huge financial transactions?

But at least we will have an openly gay Secretary of the Army!

NeoRandian

Also seems a little strange that ISIS can openly recruit people through Twitter and Facebook. Would anything remotely similar ever be permitted on any other site?

Keep an eye on the Joshua Goldberg story; I bet the CIA offers him a job after he is debriefed by the FBI.

bthunder

You, ZeroHedgers, never seem to learn from history: "checkmate, courtesy of The Kremlin. " - SERIOUSLY?

35 years ago the CIA lured USSR into Afghanistan, and when the oil prices dropped in the mid-1980s, the USSR was no more.

Oil prices are already down (son to go down even more thanks to Iran.) The Chinese already refuse to pay prices they agreed to just 8 months ago, and Gazprom is offering Ukraine 50% discounts!), Russia is already is involved in Ukraine, and now it's getting itself stuck in the sandbox in Syria.

How is it different from Afghanistan in 1980s? And while the USSR could hide the dead in 60000 zinc coffins, do you think in the age of Twitter and Facebook they'll be able to do that? You think that Russian people are sheepple just like the americans?

Seems to me it's checkmate to Putin, courtesy of the CIA and the Saudis.

P.S. When evryone keeps telling a dictator how great and brilliant he is, he starts believing that shit. Even as state revenues drop by 50%, even as his newest missiles explode at launch and the only target they hit are passenger jets. His pride takes over and he sends his best forces into the "sandbox" to defend his ally, a palce where every great army has been defeated. Checkmate, indeed.

P.P.S. Since the reports of Russians in Syria has surfaced, there's unusual "quietness" in Eastern Ukraine. Could it be that Russia cannot conduct war on 2 fronts? I can't wait until the CIA tests that theory, gives Ukes some of the new weaponry to "probe" russkies closer to thir homeland.

BendGuyhere

Jaw-dropping inanity.

"35 years ago the CIA lured USSR into Afghanistan, and when the oil prices dropped in the mid-1980s, the USSR was no more."

Yes, the brilliant CIA created the TALIBAN, which WE just spent 12 years fighting with 4 TRILLION$ and thousands DEAD, maimed. WAY TO FUCKING GO USA! OH, and now our home-grown USA SHALE OIL 'MIRACLE' has been destroyed by said engineered low oil prices. DUH. Blowback's a bitch.

bthunder

USA is still here, where's USSR?

USA (or USSA) is in deep sh*t, but Russia is waaaayyyy deeper.

Indeed, CIA was brilliant in using the Taliban to defeat USSR. It was Dick 'the Dick" Cheney who caused 12 years of fighting and spent $4T.

Just let the CIA do their thing and in no time China and USA will be dividing siberian oil amoung themselves, with Putin looking through jail window.

rejected

"How is it different from Afghanistan in 1980s? "

In 1980 the usa debt was 980 billion. Today the ussa debt is 18 trillion dollars (what they admit to) and growing exponentially.

In 1980 the usa was a manufacturing giant of quality merchandise. Now all the ussa produces is fiat and the tools of war.

In 1980 the usa had robust economy with much opportunity. Today the ussa has no work, no economy and no opportunity unless you call playing in the stock casino's opportunity.

In 1980 the usa had individual privacy and still could depend on the constitution. Today the ussa spies on everyone, and has totally eviscerated the constitution.

In 1980 the usa was at war with no one, for a change. Today the ussa is at war with half the world.

In 1980 the usa had a space program. Today the ussa depends on China and Russia to get people into space.

In 1980 the usa had a president. Today the ussa has a dictatorial executive.

In 1980 Afghanistan was eradicating the opium crop. Today the ussa armed forces guards and ships the bumper crops.

Comparing 1980 to now is like comparing Day to Night. On September 11, 2001 a darkness descended on the usa which gave birth to the ussa

MeBizarro

This has nothing to due with Afghanistan. As for the US economy in '80, it was pretty crappy and the only reason we weren't officially at war was because of Carter in the White House. Plenty on the Hill and in the DOD were pushing for a fight in Central America, Afghanistan, and the Middle East.

I would agree though on several point and since 9-11 we have been a scared, scitterish, anxiety-ridden mess on the whole.

Anunnaki

Terrific article. Superb narrative. Essentially Obama can no longer bleed Assad through ISIS. And he will have to coordinate with Putin or it looks mightily suspicious to Europe overwhelmed by refugees

And this aggressive Syrian air force display makes a No Fly Zone moot

Obama and Kerry come off as sore losers. Give Hezbollah all the small arms they need and tell Netanyahoo to gack to murdering Gazan children which is all he is good at

Admittedly, I am a Putin supprter, but he just caught Obama with his pants down.

Wait till Putin's speech before the UN General Assembly. America will go apoplectic over being on the brunt end of a scolding

I had been impatient with Putin over Syria. I should have had faith that he would not fold

Obama by telling Carter to callShoigu means he lost his nerve

BendGuyhere

Yet another neocon fiasco. Uncounted billions gone, Syriah shattered forever, oh, and our dearest allies in Europe overrun with filthy penniless refugees. Way to go Team America!

falak pema

the russian axis now in place.

Obama cedes Syria to Putin and thus allows an Iranian initiative also which will have repercussions in Lebanon (Hezbollah), in Yemen (Houthi) and Palestine (Hamas).

A major shift in the ME power structure now seems in the making as the Lausanne Deal between US/IRan has changed the game.

What will Saud do now?

And watch the French and Germans try and win some contracts both in Iran and in Saud...when alliances fold new ambitions are born.

Pax Americana...wither now?

litemine

Like the Americans in control say.........."American Interests" are what the Military fight for....Right or wrong, Obama said.....We have No Friends, only Opportunities".

That being said, and the dumbed down General American Population with an Army pumped on Roids think thier shit doesn't stink. Wrap the stars and stripes around you and die for your freedom......Well now, How did that work out?

The Congress is bought, the army is Mercinary and the financial system controls. The Biggest lobby group is Israel...who profits from this? Not mainsteet. They own you. If you don't have a problem with that.....Carry On .


Putin Accuses World Of Using Terrorist Groups To Destabilize Governments

"...If you've followed the incessant back-and-forth between Washington and Moscow over the course of the proxy wars raging in Ukraine and Syria, you know that the Kremlin is without equal when it comes to describing US foreign policy in a way that is both succinct and accurate. "
"...The first thing to note there is that Putin has essentially called the US out for using terrorists to destabilize Assad. So for anyone just looking for the punchline, that was it. Everyone else, read on. "
"...As clear as that is, the US must stick to the absurd notion that the Pentagon just can't seem to get to the bottom of what Russia is doing and to the still more absurd idea that Russia - who seems to be the only outside party that's actually interested in fighting ISIS as evidenced by the fact that there are Russian boots on the ground - is somehow hurting the very serious effort by the US and its allies to defeat Islamic radicals in Syria. "
Sep 16, 2015 | Zero Hedge

If you've followed the incessant back-and-forth between Washington and Moscow over the course of the proxy wars raging in Ukraine and Syria, you know that the Kremlin is without equal when it comes to describing US foreign policy in a way that is both succinct and accurate.

This was on full display earlier this year when Vladimir Putin's Security Council released a document that carried the subtle title "About The US National Security Strategy." We've also seen it on a number of occasions over the past several weeks in the wake of Russia's stepped up military role in support of the Assad regime at Latakia. For instance, last week, Russian foreign ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova delivered the following hilariously veracious assessment of how Washington has sought to characterize Moscow's relationship with Damascus:

"First we were accused of providing arms to the so-called 'bloody regime that was persecuting democratic activists, now it's a new edition - we are supposedly harming the fight against terrorism. That is complete rubbish."

Yes, it probably is, but let's not forget that Russia hasn't exactly been forthcoming when it comes to acknowledging that, like Washington, Moscow's interest in Syria is only related to terrorism to the extent that terrorism serves as a Western tool to destabilize the Assad regime which, you're reminded, must remain in place if Putin intends to protect Gazprom's iron grip over Europe's supply of natural gas.

Of course what that suggests is that even as Russia uses ISIS as a smokescreen to justify sending troops to Syria, the Kremlin is by definition being more honest about its motives than The White House. That is, ISIS has destabilized Assad and because Russia has an interest in keeping the regime in power, Moscow actually does have a reason to eradicate Islamic State. The US, on the other hand, facilitated the destabilization of the country in the first place by playing a role in training and arming all manner of Syrian rebels, and to say that some of them might well have gone on to fight for ISIS would be a very generous assessment when it comes to describing the CIA's involvement (a less generous assessment would be to call ISIS a "strategic CIA asset"). That means that the US will only really care about wiping out ISIS once Assad is gone and it's time to install a puppet government that's friendly to both Washington and Riyadh and at that point - assuming there are no other regimes in the area that the Pentagon feels like might need destabilizing - the US military will swiftly "liberate" Syria from the ISIS "scourge."

To be sure, Russia is well aware of the game being played here and if there's anything Vladimir Putin is not, it's shy about calling the US out, which is precisely what he did on Tuesday at a security summit of ex-Soviet countries in Dushanbe, Tajikistan. Bloomberg has more:

Russian President Vladimir Putin said the fight against Islamic State should be the global community's top priority in Syria, rather than changing the regime of Bashar al-Assad.

"It's necessary to think about the political transition in that country" and Assad is willing to "involve healthy opposition forces in the administration of the state," Putin said. "But the focus today is definitely on the need to combine forces in the fight against terrorism."

Countries need to "put aside geopolitical ambitions" as well as "direct or indirect use of terrorist groups to achieve" goals that include regime change, in order to counter the threat of Islamic State, Putin said. "Elementary common sense responsibility for global and regional security demands the collective effort of the international community."

The first thing to note there is that Putin has essentially called the US out for using terrorists to destabilize Assad. So for anyone just looking for the punchline, that was it. Everyone else, read on.

At this point what should be obvious is that Vladimir Putin's intentions in Syria are anything but unclear. Russia is openly supplying the Assad regime with military aid in an effort to prevent terrorists and extremists (some of which were trained by the US and received aid from Qatar) from facilitating the strongman's ouster. It's that simple and frankly, the only two things Russia hasn't made explicitly and publicly clear (because this is international diplomacy after all, which means everyone is always lying about something) are i) the role that natural gas plays in all of this, and ii) that the Kremlin will seek to prevent anyone from overthrowing Assad, so to the extent that there are any real, well-meaning "freedom fighters" in Syria, they'll find themselves on the wrong end of Russian tank fire just the same as ISIS.

As clear as that is, the US must stick to the absurd notion that the Pentagon just can't seem to get to the bottom of what Russia is doing and to the still more absurd idea that Russia - who seems to be the only outside party that's actually interested in fighting ISIS as evidenced by the fact that there are Russian boots on the ground - is somehow hurting the very serious effort by the US and its allies to defeat Islamic radicals in Syria. Here's Bloomberg again:

Russia's intentions in Syria are unclear and it's important for U.S. diplomats to understand them, Martin Dempsey, chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, told reporters in Tallinn, Estonia, on Tuesday. While Putin's said it wants to prevent Islamic State's expansion, "explaining the purpose and seeing how it actually evolves on the ground are two very different things and we will be working on that," Dempsey said.

Right, "explaining" that your "purpose" is to take your very powerful military and defeat what amounts to a large militia that's woefully under-armed and under-trained by comparison "and seeing how it actually evolves are two very different things." If you buy that argument, then you are buying into the patently ridiculous idea that if the US and Russia were to bring their combined military might to bear on ISIS in Syria, that somehow the outcome of that battle would be in doubt.

The Pentagon knows that notion is silly, but what it also knows is that once American troops are on the ground, there's no not routing the other militants while you're there, so what would happen in relatively short order, is that the opposition would be all gone and then, well, what do you do with Assad?

The much more straightforward way to go about this (unless of course you have a 9/11 and a story about WMDs buried in the desert as a cover that makes an outright, unilateral invasion possible), is to allow for the entire country to descend into chaos until one or more rebel/extremist groups finally manages to take Damascus, at which point you simply walk in with the Marines and remove them, then install any government you see fit. In the meantime, you just fly over and bomb stuff (hopefully with a coalition that includes Europe) in order to ensure that the situation remains sufficiently unstable. But now this plan won't work, because unless we see a replay of the Soviet-Afghan war, none of Syria's rebel groups are going to be able to rout the Russian army which means the US is stuck doing exactly what it's doing now: trying to explain why it won't join Russia in a coalition to eradicate ISIS while working to figure out what's next now that the Russians are officially on the ground.

We'll close with the following from Alexander Golts, a military analyst and deputy editor of the online newspaper Yezhednevny Zhurnal who spoke to WSJ:

"The idea of this is…to show Russia as part of the alliance of civilized nations that are standing against barbarism. But that idea won't have much of a chance, because the U.S. and the Saudis and others consider Assad the source of the problem."

COSMOS

http://www.rt.com/news/315465-bmw-ceo-faints-stage/

Symbolic of what is happening in Germany right now. And very Prophetic.

Germany is on its way down, the ROT starts from the TOP (at least with fish it does). Merkel is about the most rotten one there is. Seems like the disease is spreading.

They all should of stayed away from Nulands SWEETS

http://www.collive.com/show_news.rtx?id=12031

Scroll down and see that life is Sweet for the ones on the Winning Team.

Save_America1st

Putin: "Putin Accuses World Of "Using Terrorist Groups" To Destabilize Governments"

Yeah, well: The Truth Is Treason In An NWO-Bankster's Empire Of Lies

TeamDepends

"Welcome to Europe, invaders!" - Soros
It is hard to believe the POS that is Soros could get any stinkier, but he will stop at nothing.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W3Tk74-O-so

Latina Lover

But now this plan won't work, because unless we see a replay of the Soviet-Afghan war, none of Syria's rebel groups are going to be able to rout the Russian army which means the US is stuck doing exactly what it's doing now: trying to explain why it won't join Russia in a coalition to eradicate ISIS while working to figure out what's next now that the Russians are officially on the ground.

Putin is calling out the USSA on its BS, and showing to the world that Amerika is the greatest sponsor of Islamic Terrorism. Putin will offer proof that the USSA is behind the creation of ISIS, and the best way to eradicate terrorism is to stop supporting it to overthrow governments Amerika does not like. This is the real story.

johngaltfla

"Terrorist group" = CIA

Nuff said.

Raging Debate

Latina - While all of this is correct subtle but dangerous signals are not being heard by the American public at large and some that is like WSJ readers isnt being absorbed as to just how dangerous all this is.

Check out Karl Denningers site. He has commentators discussing going over there and "kicking muzzies asses" on a thread about following money. i don't see Karl's magic ban-hammer coming out or even scolding these people. But oh oh hoh! Bring up how the BIS and CFR relations run this world and watch how fast that hammer comes out.

While I admire the man for educating on some issues he is is fucktarded willfully ignorant on what really counts in how systems work. That is wierd considerin he touts himself as a master systems engineer.

This situation wit Russia is analagous to cornering a grizzly in his cave and you have a .22. Sure you'll kill it but not before it knocks your head off. And even though Putin may be attempting to be more moderate (out ot necessity) he would not hesitate to kill every living person on earth and even accept 50% Russian casualties than have Russia become owned again by Jmafia. And tye Russian people would be right behind him all the way.

As a double agent training of course will play a game within a game. Shit though even Kissinger knows this is taking a really bad turn.

Enough said about this subject. Some things going forward may hurt rather than help the global populace and my American countrymen. But I really wished some leaders understood we are 40-50 years from ending classical death and onto other places even potentially outside our very universe. One big giant waste of time and the death toll will get God awful.

Urban Redneck

The UN would not lay off desk jockeys if Hell froze over. Anyone can address the UN in whatever language they please, and the UN is always happy to hire moar desk jockeys to accommodate them.

Lavrov can, in English, articulate the long and inevitably backfiring history of US arming terrorists and draw the parallel to current situation with ISIS in Syria. Over 80% of the leaders assembled comprehend English, and 100% of their press corps and thought police do, as well as a huge chuck of their respective plebes back home, which eliminates a massive and critical tool of the establishment to control the public narrative. It wouldn't be politically (or socially) correct for Putin to so, even if could speak fluent English, but that's what Foreign Ministers are for.

indygo55

I saw the sarcasm. The US is such a fucking amatuer here. That they got caught like this is really the playing out of the story where Putin is playing chess and Obama (or whomever is steering him) is playing checkers. The table might get thrown over by the fools.

trulz4lulz

Our "government has been doing this for 50 fucking years, at least. Central America, South Ameria, various Asian nations, the middle east, north Africa,, central Africa....I wont even bother naming all the countries its fucked over. Time for them to pay the god damned piper if you ask me.

Bay Area Guy

50 years? Hell, it's been screwing over MENA for at least 70 years. Central and South America have gotten hosed since before the Civil War.

FIAT CON

Free book on the subject by John Perkins

http://library.uniteddiversity.coop/Money_and_Economics/confessions_of_a...

Freddie

The Founding Fathers would never have approved of Israeli Rita Katz and her green screen videos of fake ISIS beheadings and other nonsense. I hope Spielberg works with her soon so ISIS can feed hostages tio a Great White shark and to dinosaurs.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d14_1412697367

ThroxxOfVron

Chuck Schumer's primary concerns in order of importance:

1. Chuck Schumer

2. Chuck Schumer

3. Chuck Schumer

4. AIPAC $$$$

5. Chuck Schumer's Committee assignments:

.... Schumer currently serves on the following Senate Committees in the 114th United States Congress:

.... Committee on Finance;

.... Subcommittee on Health Care;

.... Subcommittee on Taxation and IRS Oversight;

.... Subcommittee on Social Security, Pensions and Family Policy;

.... Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs;

.... Subcommittee on Housing, Transportation, and Community Development;

.... Subcommittee on Financial Institutions;

.... Subcommittee on Securities, Insurance and Investment;

.... Committee on the Judiciary;

.... Subcommittee on Administrative Oversight and the Courts;

.... Subcommittee on Antitrust, Competition Policy and Consumer Rights;

.... Subcommittee on Crime and Drugs;

.... Subcommittee on Immigration, Refugees and Border Security (Ranking Member);

.... Subcommittee on Terrorism, Technology and Homeland Security;

.... Committee on Rules and Administration (Ranking Member);

.... Joint Committee on the Library (Vice Chair);

.... Joint Committee on Printing ..."Get to work Mr. Chairman.." (Chairman);

.... Joint Economic Committee ;

.... International Narcotics Control Caucus;

.... Joint Committee on Inaugural Ceremonies (Chair).

6. Israel

7. The Democratic National Committee

8. Campaign donations and bribes paid to Chuck Schumer

9. 'Jews'

10. Chuck Schumer's hair

Raging Debate

11b40 - Good point. Consider this. Empires seem to last less than 400 years. This banking one where it buys governments has just about run its course.

It was no wonder Jefferson was freaking out about a private central bank to run the currency. Because once that happens it is only a matter of time before the government sells out.

By the late eighties the Rothschild model pretty much conquered the globe. When that happens and empire attempts to use an iron fist to retain all power is when it all goes south pretty quickly. Shame that playing King of the Hill this time will get 1/3 of the global population dead. As for specifics, lets just say evolution. As mentioned not going to inflame passions on by offering up certain speculations any more.

God bless people of all nations. May we forgive one another after this cycle ends. All of our shit kinda reeks a bit if one really has the stones to look in a mirror.

[Sep 18, 2015] Syria: The (Russian Air) Cavalry Is Coming

In light of the catastrophic outcome of the "western" war on Libya the Russian government declared to oppose any further such "regime change" in the Middle East. But the U.S. continues to train, arm and finance insurgents against the Syrian Arab Republic and, under the disguise of fighting the Islamic State, prepares to take down the Syrian government. Eliminating the Syrian government would likely create a radical jihadist state in Damascus and lead to massacres and mass refugee movements.

But Russia means what it says and will now use its military capabilities to confront the U.S. plans:

Elijah J. Magnier
#Russia is providing #Syria with precision military and destructive equipment. #Russia will start soon operating n #Syria sky to hit rebels+

The participation of the #Russian Air Force in #Syria worries #Israel that won';t be able to have a free sky to hit Syrian troops.+

This is THE major change in #Russia approach and support to #Damascus regime, to prevent game change on the ground in #Syria +

The decision of #Russia comes mainly from regional support 2rebels, not satisfy w/ d north f #Syria (#Idlib) and aiming to #Hama & #Damascus

Russian air-support for Syria against the various forces attacking the state will allow for additional air attacks against those forces. The Syrian air force is today already flying more than 100 sorties per day against it enemies. The Russian forces will add to that but not necessarily in a decisive amount.

The main support for Syria by Russian air assets will come by keeping away those foreign air forces forces that threaten the Syrian government under disguise of "fighting terror". With Russian fighters in Syrian skies Israel will no longer be able to use its air force in support of Jabhat al-Nusra (and for its oil stealing endeavors in the Syrian Golan heights).

The U.S., Britain, France and others announced to enter Syrian skies to "fight the terror" of the Islamic State. Russia will use just the same claim to justify its presence and its air operations flying from Latakia. Simply by being there it will make sure that others will not be able to use their capabilities for more nefarious means. Additional intelligence from Russian air assets will also be helpful for Syrian ground operations.

The Russian air capabilities will be supplemented with air defense cover from Russian naval assets on the Syrian coast. Russia announced several air defense drills with live missile launches off the Syrian coast near Tartus. New land based air defense assets are said to be on their way. I would not be surprised to see, over time, some Chinese naval assets joining the Russian presence.

Secretary of State Kerry whined to Russia that its intervention in Syria might intervene with the U.S. intervention in Syria. Well, yes sir, that is the sole purpose:

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on Friday coordination was needed between Russia's military and the Pentagon to avoid "unintended incidents" around Syria, where both countries have a military presence.

Lavrov said Russia would continue to supply weapons to Syrian President Bashar Assad to help the Syrian armed forces fight against ISIS militants.

He told a news conference Russia was conducting military exercises in the Mediterranean Sea, that it had been for some time, and that they were in line with international law.

The neoconned State Department childishly pressured Greece and Bulgaria to disallow Russian military air transport over their countries. But Russian planes can just as well fly via Iran and Iraq and both countries are very unlikely to ever block such flights. As Russian ground forces will not be involved in any fighting the supply needs can be kept limited.

Any attempt by Turkey, pressured by State Department lunatics, to block the Bosporus sea route between Russia and Syria would be in breach of the Montreux Convention and could be interpreted as hostile act against Russia on which Turkey depends for a large amount of its energy supplies. After losing control over the predominantly Kurdish south-eastern city Cizre Turkey also has to take care of its own civil war which Erdogan foolishly ignited to regain a parliamentarian majority. That internal war will hinder resupplies for the Islamic State through Turkey.

The U.S. plan to use the fight against the Islamic State as cover to remove the Syrian government is now in tatters. The months long U.S. supported "Southern Front" attack in south Syria failed to make any gains against the government. The Islamic State attack against Syrian government forces in Deir ez-Zor was repelled and further moves against Syria in the north will have to defy Russian air power.

Washington will now have to decide to risk war against Russia or to shelf the Syria regime change project.

Posted by b at 09:32 AM | Comments (109)

Posted by: Kim Sky | Sep 11, 2015 12:39:03 PM | 10

Wishful thinking, I'm afaid...

as far as I can tell, the war plans are too advanced for the U.S. to pull out now. seems i remember options to not begin the bombing campaign against Iraq and Afghanistan, and they did it anyway.

Posted by: james | Sep 11, 2015 12:50:41 PM | 11

b - ditto @9 post..

@10 kim - it certainly looks that way.. more war is all i can see in all of this.. the usa and it's western alliance seem to have their foot stuck permanently on the gas pedal and don't have any braking features anymore.. crash and burn has come to define it, but there is a lot to crash..

Posted by: aaaaa | Sep 11, 2015 12:58:04 PM | 12

@Kim Sky - if the resistors can make some gains it will help them immensely in a political sense.. ultimately it's crunch time right now; I'm sure the puppeteers are going to press their terrorist brigades to assault heavily over the next few days/weeks, so the SAA + allies will need to survive and advance. I've never considered the SAA to be very good, so a complete overhaul of their forces should be in order.


Ultimately I think Russia wants a political solution above all else, and isn't committing much to this enterprise.. but who knows

Posted by: Pat Bateman | Sep 11, 2015 1:09:51 PM | 15

Am I the only one that's getting the feeling that everybody is now actually in on this?

The first reports that I heard about Russia doubling down in Syria came from Ynet news, which quoted "unnamed Western officials". If what they claimed is true, as now appears to be the case, it doesn't make sense that Kerry, another Western official, would contact Lavrov to confirm whether the reports from "unnamed Western officials" were true. Surely Kerry would already know? So is it a ruse? Feigning indignation to be seen to be sticking to your principles, when in reality a compromise was reached as part of some grand deal during the nuclear negotiations?

When a temporary truce was reached between the rebels in Idlib besieging the villages of al-Foua and Kefraya, and Government forces in Zabadani besieging the rebels, it was mooted that a transfer of the civilians from these two Shiite villages would be made for the evacuation of the Zabadani rebels - ethnic cleansing lite. It was in fact Iran and Turkey that brokered the truce between the two sides, and Iran and Turkey were negotiating the exchange. Is Syria being divided; to be cut up and controlled by different sides? Is Russia now asserting control over the Government designated zones?

After two years, Abu al-Duhur airbase was the final Government position to fall in Idlib province yesterday, leaving al-Foua and Kefraya isolated. Did Iran and Turkey agree that Idlib is to be surrendered to Turkey's Islamists to mark a line between pro and anti Government control?

It is generally accepted that neither side has the capacity to defeat the other, and neither will Iran or Turkey tolerate defeat. So better to draw a line around what you have, to hold it, and to claim some small victory.

I suspect that Erdogan would now quite like things to go back to the way they were - to facilitate regaining a majority in Parliament and become President - and that the Saudis are more interested in Yemen. Did Russia throw Yemen under a bus at the UNSC and support the Saudi war in exchange for concessions on Syria? Has the Daraa "Southern Front" offensive failed because the support has subsequently dried up?

Much will be answered when the Russian bombers begin their sorties. We will see the extent of their operations and whether a line in the sand has been drawn between Government and Turkish Islamist control, and if the rest of the IS mess is to be handled by the US coalition..

(sorry, couldn't be bothered with links)

Posted by: Grieved | Sep 11, 2015 1:25:08 PM | 16

@virgile #2 - the element of theater is truly a substantial piece in this I believe. US foreign policy is obliged to maintain an ethical narrative with the US domestic population. Theater is important, and personally, apart from its still huge global financial heft, theater is about the only weapon I can see left to the US.

Against the US is Russia. Russia's actions are almost invisible in this world, but extremely effective. It may be as some say that the US war plans are too advanced to halt, but I'm sure they're also pretty transparent to the Russians. By finally sharing satellite intel with Syria, what Russia has done is notch the no-fly possibilities one degree higher, as a matching move to the US/Israel covert activities, as a warning to the hot heads to cool down, and as a preparation for further escalation if required. One degree at a time.

To me it is unthinkable that Russia will allow US to control the skies over Syria. This presumably is where the showdowns will occur - IF they even need to. There will be tactical casualties and apparent losses, but strategically I believe the US is finding itself forestalled at every turn.

Posted by: fairleft | Sep 11, 2015 1:46:16 PM | 18

Kim Sky @10: No, I disagree, and think Lavrov/Putin have played Kerry/Obama well. Fearful, uninformed, PR-centered, distrusting their idiot generals, they'll hesitate and then hesitate some more, and the warmongers' reality-defying plans won't happen. The US won't escalate and directly intervene. But unfortunately the war and terror in Syria will go on. Russia is not committing to destroy unofficial US ally Islamic State, just to prevent regime change.

Posted by: fairleft | Sep 11, 2015 1:58:14 PM | 19

Angry warmonger:

Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham said Wednesday he would try to impose sanctions on Russia from the congressional side if the administration doesn't move in that direction. He said that Russia's military involvement in Syria will only make the terrorism threat and the refugee problems emanating from there worse.

"This is a chance for us to slap Russia hard, because what they are doing is making America less safe," he said. "The Russians are just slapping President Obama and Secretary Kerry in the face. This is a complete insult to their efforts to try to find a solution to Syria. They've made Assad's survivability more likely, which means the war in Syria never ends."

Posted by: plantman | Sep 11, 2015 3:54:49 PM | 28

Unfortunately, this post is mostly wishful thinking...

The US has no "Off" switch anymore.
The confrontation between Russia and the US is probably unavoidable now, although Moscow has been very clear in its actions to avoid a miscalculation.
Even so, now that Washington nabbed Incirlik, they feel obligated to press on. That means Putin will have to deploy the Migs to prevent a no-fly zone from being put into place.

Erdogan will provide the footsoldiers after another false flag helps him win the Nov 1 election.
Erdogan is a man to watch. He's going for all the marbles. He expects to get Aleppo at least for his efforts.

Washington despises him, but they figure they can take care of him after they get rid of assad. Assad comes first, then Erdogan

Putin will have to fight to stop the regime change crazies.
He doesn't want a war, but he'll be ready.

The US hasn't gotten a bloody nose in a while. I can't think of a better time than now.

Posted by: Oui | Sep 11, 2015 4:17:42 PM | 29

Hopeful sign, Germany's change of heart ...

Germany says would welcome Russian role in fighting ISIS | Reuters |

BERLIN - Germany would welcome more Russian engagement in the fight against ISIS, a foreign ministry spokesman said on Friday. "I think we would welcome the Russian Federation and the Russian president ... getting actively involved in the fight against ISIS given the dangers arising from Islamist terrrorism," spokesman Martin Schaefer said at a regular government news conference in Berlin.

German Espionage Ship Off the Syrian Coast Is a War Act | August 2012 |

Posted by: Oui | Sep 11, 2015 4:45:42 PM | 30

More hopeful signs ...

Poll finds Nato's Europeans wary of Russia confrontation

The report by the Pew Research Center - a non-partisan US think-tank based in Washington DC - surveyed attitudes in North America and across Europe as well as Ukraine and Russia to assess public attitudes towards the current Ukraine crisis.

On average in Europe, only 48% of those polled - less than half - backed the idea of their country using force to come to the aid of another Nato country attacked by Russia.

Among the countries surveyed Germany is the most reluctant: 58% of those polled said they did not think their country should use military force to defend a Nato ally against Russia. [A rise of 18 percentage points in 12 months]

France too was unenthusiastic - 53% of those polled were opposed. Even in Britain - often seen as a staunch Nato member - less than 50% supported the idea of using force to help another member of the alliance under attack.

Overview opinions by nation

Posted by: spinworthy | Sep 11, 2015 7:25:52 PM | 39

By this point in time, the majority of rational individuals in the world can clearly see that the Syrian war is, and always has been, a proxy war. The Syrian war more than any of the other recent (planned) conflicts in the ME (also including Afghanistan) was intended to be the ultimate Jackpot!

On one side (pro-Syria) we have Russia, Iran and Hezbollah.
On the other side (anti-Syria) we have USA/NATO, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey, and Israel.

Defeating Assad and destroying an independent Syria primarily implies (among many other things) the following:

1. Removing Russian forces from the Mediterranean and the Middle East.
2. Cleaving and isolating Hezbollah from it's base of support.
3. Securing territory for an energy corridor from the Gulf to Turkey.

Number 1. - Benefits all of the anti-Syria players tactically (mostly USA/NATO), and strategically undermines Russia.
Number 2. - Strategically benefits Israel with minor benefits to Gulf players, while tactically undermining Iran, and strategically undermining Hezbollah.
Number 3. - Strategic benefits for Turkey and Gulf players, with perks for USA/NATO and Israel, while strategically damaging Russia and Iran.

The Syrian war is a very, very loaded situation and will not go away until something breaks.
For Russia and Hezbollah the stakes are huge (not to mention Syria!). For Iran they're not as bad. Perhaps this is why completing the Iran nuclear deal was suddenly so important for the USA a few months ago (against all the screaming out of Israel and Saudia).
For the anti-Syria group the stakes are not so huge at all. Whatever they stand to gain comes at the expense of their efforts and risks little else. Their determination, opportunism and budgetary restrictions are the main determining factors. As long as there are willing mercenaries and money, they risk little in continuing their efforts.

But...Things aren't going so well for the anti-Syria group after 4 yrs of proxy fighting they have tried several schemes to accelerate their efforts. Methods include: False flag chemical weapons attacks c/w controlled media narratives; destabilzation of Iraq in conjunction with the introduction of ever more radicalized 'islamist' proxies c/w controlled media narratives; crashing the price of oil; opening up another front against Russia and introducing sanctions. All of these were intended to shake Russia's grip and confidence, whilst hurrying up Assad's fall.
All efforts seem to be having serious blow-back issues.

Why all the sudden hysteria and hyperbole over a Russian presence in a proxy war? Perhaps as noted, to counter the blow-back and failures?

Posted by: ToivoS | Sep 11, 2015 8:34:33 PM | 41

Both Kerry and Obama have, in recent days, argued that Russia's support for Assad is responsible for the refugee crisis. I think they are getting very worried that Europe will begin to realize that the civil war supported by the US and its closest allies is causing the crisis. Today I noticed that the foreign ministers of Germany, Austria and Spain have suggested that Russia, Iran and, yes, Assad's forces could play a positive role in defeating ISIS. This is a major departure from the Assad must go policy that they supported at the urging of the US. Hopefully, this is just the beginning of a major split between Europe and US over foreign policy. Not just Ukraine but the ME as well.

Posted by: Willy2 | Sep 11, 2015 9:00:55 PM | 42

- ISIS is a good excuse for Russia to increase their military support for Assad.

- ISIS has been demonized in the US media and it was meant to drum up support for more military action against ISIS. And when one is bombing ISIS then one can easily start bombing Assad & Co. as well, right ? No, US military action against ISIS is simply a smoke screen for action against Assad. And Russia knows it IMO.

- More over: British troops (SAS ??) are disguised as ISIS fighters in Syria. The UK & US have delayed actions against Syria because of the trouble brewing in the Ukraine. But now "Syria" has been put on the "front burner" again.

Source: http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/

- I see a more devious reason why Russia increases support for Assad. This will lead to more "unrest" in Syria and will increase the amount of Syrians fleeing to Turkey. Combined with other economic problems (credit bubble, decreased tourism, collapse of turkish textile exports to Russia) it will be only a matter of time before Turkey's economy will receive a (giant) blow.

And a collapse of Turkey is the last thing the US & NATO want. A military coup in Turkey is coming and will depose Erdogan. But a military coup WILL not solve the economic crisis in Turkey.

So, Russia's actions in Syria could accelerate the end of a solid, stable & reliable Turkey for the US & NATO.

Even if Russia wouldn't support Syria then increased US attacks on Syria will also lead to more syrian refugees.

There're A LOT OF "moving parts". That makes a prediction of what's going to happen very difficult. But I do think the story above gives us a good clue what is likely to happen.

Posted by: fast freddy | Sep 11, 2015 9:41:49 PM | 43

Historically, the US has only attacked defenseless countries/people. A betting man would bet that the US will back off. The same pretense - attacking ISIS - provides a face-saving out for the US and a reason for Russia to participate.

Posted by: Piotr Berman | Sep 11, 2015 10:49:10 PM | 47

S-300 and S-400 are decent anti-aircraft weapons, Turkey tested it and lost a plane. But they require a bunch of radars which can be disabled by rebels, I think, and Israel bombed a number of times with impunity. Therefore the logistic chain for SAA would enormously benefit from restoring air defenses, and that would also put rest to any ideas, mooted in American and British press, to declare "no fly zone" over Syria and make short work of Syrian regime.

So how one should go about it? I guess we see step one: radars and missiles on ship instantly bolster the air defense on the coast. I think that they operate with more than 100 mile radius, but against aircraft with countermeasures, multiple missiles are needed. So several land-based system will restore defenses from Latakia to Damascus and Jordanian border, and perhaps over Golan foothills.

Concerning troops on the ground, I doubt if Russian would like to engage the rebels, but they may have guarding duties to secure radar facilities. That cannot be purely defensive to be effective, but there could be a mission creep. Similarly, it is better for Russia if Syrian pilots are engaged against the rebels, but they can improve their aircraft and weapon supplies. After all, barrel bombs were use surely because of the shortage of more effective bombs and missiles.

The news from Germany are almost amazing. From concern at September 9 to support at September 11? Are both dispatches correct? Are the Germans so desperate that they would actually resort to a reasonable policy? After all, end of civil war in Syria, even with some lingering terrorism like in Algeria, could allow to deport/repatriate the refugees Germany suddenly volunteered to accept. Contrary to some interpretations, Germany does not have a shortage of workers given the surplus of workers (i.e. high unemployment) in Poland, Baltics and Balkans, including Greece I presume. Possible (but speculative) scenario: Merkel got a phone call from Israel that was so annoying that she decided to drop niceties and instructed her Foreign Ministry to be frank.

Interesting image from Syria: Poster, Syria, 2015 The inscription reads: "These people kneel only before God"

Great post, b, great comments, everyone.

I think this move by Russia was totally foreseeable seeing as we did their very serious and meaningful actions following the Ghouta attacks. Now, with the usual suspects laying the groundwork for a similar plan, the Russians are again obliged to repeat the actions they took then - protecting the Syrian Government from those who seek to make it fall, and protecting the Syrian people from the bloody, chaotic consequences that would surely follow. To say he is "finally stepping up to the plate", IMHO, ignores the important actions Russia has taken not just to defend major parts of Syria, but to keep the West from bombing, the results of which would be far worse than even what has come to be in Libya. And that's an important point: there is far more at stake than just the chaos of Libya. In the case of Syria, there is the probability that sectarian genocide - run by the Takfiri forces funded by the Gulf States - would occur. Russia simply cannot allow that to take place.

Syria means a great deal to Russia, and on so many more levels than people in the West understand. Syria is far more to Russia than just a base in the Mediterranean. If policy makers in the West are basing their calculus for Russian action on that relatively small issue, they are making grave miscalculations. There are real human and historical links that bind Russia and Syria. There are long standing political links that go deep back into the Soviet Era. A look at http://vk.com (you need to sign up to do searches) shows much concern over the war in Syria. There are Russians, like their counterparts in the West, who feel concerned because of the Christian link - though in Russia's case, this has an interesting historical link going back to the Czar claimed to be the defender of Christians in the Ottoman Empire. I imagine (and see evidence on VK) that Russians must also feel for the Syrian people because of the experience of the Second World War, presumably hearing the stories of their parents and grandparents of people facing conditions of total war. Finally, and this seems to make up the majority, there are those people there who clearly link all of Russia's battles - from Syria to Novorossiya - as all the same contest being directed against them from the United States. After all, the Russians know better than anyone the US links with radical Islam, and having witness the continued enmity of the US even following the dismantling of the USSR, the Russians may truthfully say (compared to the lie of George W. Bush saying it) that "we fight them in the Middle East, or we fight them at home".

The point is that there are links between Russia and Syria at all levels. And it is from these links that comes three things: the willingness of the Russian Government to take risks in the situation, the ability of the Russian Government to formulate and honest and clear policy, and finally and most importantly, the public support which allows for taking those risks without facing backlash at home. Compare the domestic political strength of the Russian position with the general weakness of the Western policy, a weakness which was exposed during the last crisis where the anti-war voice was heard loudly enough that it had to be a part of the calculations of policy makers. Surely this comes from the convoluted policy of the West which falls apart with simple attempts to even describe it, a policy which has no internal consistency that can be explained to the public at all. There are no political links between Syria and the US, evident in the fact that the US could find only exiles to populate its "revolutionary government". The Christian link is certainly there... except that the US is on the wrong side of it. Then there is the idea of an alliance with Al Qaeda - an idea which could hardly be more repugnant to the American people (to be clearly separated from their leaders). So while the Russian Government can count on domestic support, the Western governments have to rely on media gimmicks which have definite shelf life and which are, at their core, untrue and so subject to controversy in the public discussion. The refugee story is an excellent example of this - the issue is real and its emotional appeal is undeniable, but using refugees as a case for more war? This is the same as trying to square the circle. It cannot be done. The same with goes for the promotion (and I do use the word advisedly) of ISIS as a threat ultimately works against the real US policy by opening the way for Russia to call of an anti-terrorist alliance.

That said, there is the "honest" version of US policy, given in Senator Graham's statement posted by fairleft: "This is a chance for us to slap Russia hard, because what they are doing is making America less safe," he said. "The Russians are just slapping President Obama and Secretary Kerry in the face. This is a complete insult to their efforts to try to find a solution to Syria. They've made Assad's survivability more likely, which means the war in Syria never ends."

That's as honest as you can get from a policy maker, of course. Syria is, for the US, another chance to smack Russia. The war is about achieving US aims, and war will continue until the US achieves them. Peace for the sake of peace figures no where in the equation. Those who don't follow the warlike policy are weaklings who are allowing themselves to be "slapped in the face". So it is honest, but bring that to the American people as an excuse for another war in the Middle East and you'll get laughed out of the room, forget about finding some kind of majority. As Grieved noted: "US foreign policy is obliged to maintain an ethical narrative with the US domestic population" and when there is absolutely zero behind the US narrative, then the majority of US citizens will not back it. The only question left, then, is wether the US elite is confident enough (read: anti-democratic enough and disconnected enough) to completely ignore public opinion.

This only covers Russia's position, but the same goes for Iran. Though someone said the stakes for Iran in Syria are not so high, I disagree. I think the very clear threat to Hezbollah makes it a clear threat to Iran. Without Hezbollah, Iran will lose its main connection with Palestine and the struggle there, and this connection is a key to the Islamic Revolution's raison d'être as any. But the stakes for Iran are evident in the huge amount they've invested in fighting ISIS and al Qaeda in both Iraq and Syria. The Iranian's are no strangers to facing war by carried out by US puppets, and certainly they know very well that allowing a radical Takfiri state (allied with KSA and ultimately with the US) to form in the ashes of Iraq and Syria means war on Iran anyway so why not risk all to kill this viper in its nest?

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Posted by: guest77 | Sep 12, 2015 12:45:25 AM | 48

Posted by: fairleft | Sep 12, 2015 1:20:31 AM | 49

Great post by b, great posts by everyone in the comments, especially:

Pat Bateman | Sep 11, 2015 1:09:51 PM | 15

Grieved | Sep 11, 2015 1:25:08 PM | 16

b | Sep 11, 2015 3:09:47 PM | 24

plantman | Sep 11, 2015 3:54:49 PM | 28 (Though I disagree generally, this is great: "The US has no "Off" switch anymore." Yes! There's an automatic quality to US military/economic aggression these days, unguided but PR-ed by people like Kerry/Obama. But the beast does have at least a reptile brain, and recoils for a period in the face of real danger. But the US proxies will keep on fighting, funding will likely be boosted, "let's have a war to save the refugees" will keep on being uncritically blasted from the 'respectable' media. More generally, the US will keep on coming, with one scheme after another for unipolar world power preservation. Each new one will be a bit less reality-based until the game is lost, I hope.)

guest77 | Sep 12, 2015 12:45:25 AM | 47

Posted by: jfl | Sep 12, 2015 2:27:11 AM | 52

BREAKING: US drones strike Syrian Army, blame ISIS

Unmanned aerial vehicles (UAV) of the US Air Force struck Syrian government forces [at Camac near Hamah] on September 10. This was stated by the senior representative of the Syrian military. He pointed out that this attack was disguised as an air strike by militants of the Islamic State, allegedly using a captured MiG-21.

According to a Syrian air force colonel, militants of the Islamic State successfully managed to capture the military air field [Abu al-Duhur]. However, no current equipment had been there by the time, as everything was previously transferred to other air fields so as to avoid seizure by the terrorists ... militants of the Islamic State physically could not carry out air strikes on the positions of the Syrian military. ... Citing anonymous US officials, the newspaper [Washington Post] writes that the CIA and Joint Command of Special Operations are implementing a joint program of drone flights over Syria. The secret program means a significant strengthening of CIA intervention in the war in Syria.

According to the statements of high-ranking military in Syria, it was drones, and not "terrorist MiG's" which attacked the Syrian army. This is not the first time that US forces have struck the Syrian army, hiding behind the Islamic State.

It would be nice to see open season on US drones in Syria ... and not only in Syria. In Yemen as well. Someone above, Okie Farmer, calls attention to the fact that ...
Nils Muiznieks of the Council of Europe called the developments [Residents in the mainly Kurdish town [Cizre] say they have been unable to buy food or medical supplies since the military imposed a curfew eight days ago.] "distressing".

... how long has it been since all the Yemenis in Yemen have been unable to buy food or medical supplies? Anyone heard anything from the Council of Europe on that one? Not so much, aye.

The report I read of the fall of Abu al-Duhur yesterday emphasized Al CIA-da's subsequent straight line of attack against Latakia in consequence. Interesting to see them attack the Russians ensconced there. No doubt they'd have US drone support?

Posted by: jfl | Sep 12, 2015 3:02:53 AM | 53

A Russian-Egyptian alliance?


Rapidly expanding instability in the Middle East, coupled with the inconsistency of Washington's foreign policy, is driving Arab leaders to seek partners and allies on the side.

Several high-ranking politicians from a number of Muslim countries, such as Jordan's King Abdullah II, Deputy Supreme Commander of the UA, Mohammed al-Nahyan, Vice-President of Iran Surna Sattari, Syrian Minister for National Reconciliation Ali Haidar, and Egyptian President Abdel Fattah, all visited Moscow on business trips. It is this last meeting which is of greater interest ...

The problem of combatting the spread of radical islam and expanding the geography of a "Green International" occupies a special place in Russian-Egyptian relations. In particular, the President of Egypt expressed his support for the Russian program for resolving the Syrian conflict, whose main point is the necessity of forming a broad anti-terrorist coalition led by Syrian government forces.

The solidarity of the Egyptian side with Putin's proposed plan of settling the Syrian conflict means exactly one thing: Egypt not only recognizes the legitimacy of Bashar al-Assad, but also believes that "the tyrant doesn't have to leave at all." This is a very significant statement, as the main sponsor of Egypt is Saudi Arabia, for whom the overthrow of Assad is a cornerstone of regional policy.


It's still difficult to see who will step up to the plate and dispatch the CIA/Daesh, but it does seem clear that Syria has more supporters now than a few weks ago, and is gaining more, or firmer support daily. Putin would not stick his neck out if he thought it might get chopped off. And if the Russian presence in Syria restrains the Israelis ... that alone is worthwhile. May it restrain European knee-jerk support for the USA, too.

The 'leadership' in the USA is divided, just as b points out. Things are happening 'to' the US and they are reacting. They've done the 'best' they can, conjured up the worst demons whose names they knew, and it still hasn't 'worked out'. Worse, their vassals have noticed that it hasn't, noticed that the US is reacting rather than acting, noticed that things have slipped beyond the US' control.

Multiple-centers of power may well now emerge, beginning in Europe and MENA. The US may well have foolishly, though successfully divided its own power base, and conquered itself.

irgile | Sep 12, 2015 11:06:05 AM | 63

Kerry's surprise appears totally theatrical and destined mainly to the Saudis and to the supporters of the Syrian opposition

The decision of Turkey to join the coalition has triggered an expected reaction from Russia.
Turkey has been long committed to a regime change in Syria. While Saudi and Qatar's would obey the USA in refraining from bombing the Syrian army, Turkey may find it the best opportunity to weaken the Syrian government, boost Erdogan's credibility and protect the Islamist militias they have been funding and supporting in Syria. The USA has little leverage on Turkey from the moment it uses the Incirlik base.
That's the reason why Russia decided to show its teeth. No way would it accept that the US coalition threatens the Syrian army. It has been expecting this to happen and has been prepared for a long time.
Iran is also preparing for the same and will act in defense of the Alawites and Hezbollah in case Damascus or the coast is seriously threatened.

In view of the tougher attitude of Russia and Iran, the Turks have tried to reassure them that they are too busy repressing Kurds and dealing with their doomed "snap election" that they have no intentions of attacking anybody in Syria. The Russians and the Iranians just do not trust the Turks and took their precautions. I trust that we will not see a single Turkish plane bombing Syria !

The official entrance of Russia in Syria is a game changer and the USA is discreetly playing its part

john | Sep 12, 2015 12:47:35 PM | 74

Virgile @ 63 says:

The USA has little leverage on Turkey from the moment it uses the Incirlik base

WTF does that mean? the USA has used the Incirlik air base uninterruptedly since they built it in 1951. it has always been central to wars both cold and hot in the region and plenty of other imperial subterfuge as well(spawning ground for 'ISIS'?). it sports state-of-the-art surveillance equipment, a 10,000 ft runway and 50 or so hardened aircraft shelters. it's home to the 39th air base wing and about 5,000 airmen and repository for something like 90 b61 nuclear warheads.

i don't think they need no stinkin' leverage.

GoraDiva | Sep 12, 2015 3:36:48 PM | 78

An excellent explanation from a Syrian commentator at the Saker
http://thesaker.is/war-on-syria-not-quite-according-to-plan-part-1-the-islamist-american-love-hate-quagmire-facts-and-myths/
(Too bad Juan Cole does not really understand (never has) what is going on in Syria and the wider ME.)
This post gives a lot of background - some known, some less so, and an explanation of where ISIS is coming from.

guest77 | Sep 12, 2015 3:54:50 PM | 79

Russia's deepening military involvement in Syria will make it harder to dislodge Bashar al-Assad from power and find a political solution to the war raging there, President Barack Obama said....

"The strategy they're pursuing now, doubling down on Assad, I think is a big mistake," Obama said Friday in remarks to military personnel at Fort Meade, Maryland.

tom | Sep 12, 2015 4:09:19 PM | 80

These Obama comments posted by rufus say it all. To paraphrase Our Dear Peace Prize Winner - "The US wants a political solution! (only after we've achieved all our military aim of removing the government)". How gracious.

After this logical blunder, he goes on to give us his analysis of Putin's latest moves as "a big mistake". From the man who never passed up a foul compromised deal, be it on taxes or healthcare, he ought to know a big mistake. But I imagine he is safe from that knowledge safe in his little Presidential cocoon. Obama goes from mistake to mistake, he hardly needs to be giving others lessons in that regard.

America's "HOPE" President, now on track to have initiated more overthrows of governments than Eisenhower and Nixon combined.

Just on adding to the comment on Turkish leverage with the U.S. By allowing them to use the Incirlik airbase.

No matter what conditions the Turks think they can force onto the US, it will be completely delusional if they believe it. The endlessly duplicitous US Empire couldn't give a fuck about what fake promises they made as they have forever shown.

Imagine during the US bombing campaign in Syria using the Incirlik airbase ( or any over Turkish military facility ) In a way works against Turkeys wishes, hegemony or its interests, what are they gonna do, demand the US stop using our base in the middle of a US war ? The Turks might as well declare war on the US itself if they tried that.

US could arm Turkish Kurds to make life difficult for the Turkish military, and an endless array of other threats.
There's only one current military empire and it's like not like the US doesn't know it.
The Turks know it and the US knows it - in other words, nearly no leverage whatsoever.

rufus magister | Sep 12, 2015 4:25:07 PM | 81

g77 at 78 --

I esp. like the way it elides the fact that we created, along with the French, this whole mess in Syria to begin with.

Haven't we learned any lessons about implementing fantasies of transformative regime change? Especially when using fundamentalist proxies supplied by our theocratic Saudi friends.

jfl | Sep 12, 2015 4:39:45 PM | 82

@69 harry law, @77 goradiva

I think Juan Cole understands completely. He's an army brat, a born and bred American imperialist of the kinder, gentler variety.

@67

The Iranians have a better take on the Saudi crane.

@46 virgile, @66 james

Yes ... that article to the 'insiders' indicates that Kerry/the US expects Saudi Arabia and the Gulfies to finish off their war games in Yemen and swing up to help Daesh/ISIS give Assad/Syria the Gaddalfi/Libya treatment.

There seems to be no limit to the depths to which the Nobel Peace Prize Laureate will sink, and the velocity of my country's implosion continues to accelerate. Like a black hole it is sucking "Western Civilization" into its vortex. Nothing, not even light - if there were any, can escape.

john | Sep 13, 2015 6:38:59 AM | 85

john @ 73 says:

i don't think they need no stinkin' leverage

the Turkey/US deal regarding the use of the Incirlik base was a real big talking point in the nooze a while back. a perfect example of parsable fodder fit for the hoi polloi. any suggestion that the US hegemon asks permission for anything from anyone is risible.

Sibel Edmonds cuts to the chase.

Jackrabbit | Sep 13, 2015 1:00:46 PM | 87

Interesting discussion. Especially liked "no off switch".

fairleft @60
Don't you think Russia would probably prefer not to send planes over ISIS-controlled territory?

jfl | Sep 13, 2015 8:32:43 PM | 93

The Saker has an interesting analysis of the Russians - Iranians, Hezbolla - in Syria.

brian | Sep 13, 2015 10:59:34 PM | 96

amazing! US media war dance:

'"This is a chance for us to slap Russia hard, because what they are doing is making America less safe," he said. "The Russians are just slapping President Obama and Secretary Kerry in the face. This is a complete insult to their efforts to try to find a solution to Syria. They've made Assad's survivability more likely, which means the war in Syria never ends."'

does the writer believe what he writes?
a war in syria makes insecure america less safe how? Doesnt the US backed war in Yemen make america less safe?

Obama and Kerry have never sought a solution that didnt involve more chaos and more jihadis.

Americans whether in the backwoods of Oregon or the towers of NY live in ignorance and hopes the rest of us are

brian | Sep 13, 2015 11:36:35 PM | 97

US and its media continnue to act as agents of ISIS and alnusra as we see in Josh Rogins article... while doing his best to twist reality into a pretzel http://www.oregonlive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2015/09/russias_syrian_air_base_has_us.html

Piotr Berman | Sep 15, 2015 7:27:07 PM | 108

Re: Louis Proyect, "So funny that ..."

I prefer fun not based on thousands lives lost and millions lives wrecked. A more thoughtful analysis would start from examining cases of similar terrible conflicts in the past and present. Mexican revolution lasted ten years of "war of all against all", and so did La Violencia in Colombia. Violence is still present in those societies even if governments are quite stable -- and sketchily democratic. Algeria had a conflict of similar duration, now the regime seems to be stable again.

Americans ("American-led coalition") did not lack resources in Afghanistan and Iraq, and results were woeful. The prognosis of GCC + USA + mercenary allies in Yemen is not good at all, even with "reasonable goal of restoring to power the legitimate President who won elections with 99.8% votes cast and 65% turnout" and all weapons that oil money can buy (although those monies were stashed in better years than 2015).

The positive stories are Algeria and various regimes that survived ethnic and other rebellions, usually (not always) with Western aid. Three ingredients may be crucial: domestic force with a sufficiently wide base and military competence, supplies of war material, and restricting those supplies to the opponents. Iraq has widely based government of mediocre competence, Syrian government seems to have narrower base (but not an isolated small elite group) but it demonstrated much higher level of competence.

Given that Syrian government had modest resources and yet survived and brought the insurgency more-or-less to stalemate, in spite of copious supplies that it got, it is reasonable to expect that with somewhat larger external resources it can actually win. By the way of contrast, if we eliminate "the regime", the governability of Syria is very questionable, given the record of atrocities AND infighting among the opposition. Mad Max movies give an almost prophetic depiction of what can be expected.

Of course, the West can easily increase the supplies to the opposition forces, But the sober question asked here if this is a good idea: fomenting a number of atrocious wars for some vague and contradictory goals. It is worth to observe that we do not have any Iron Curtain any more, so atrocious problems created "on the other side" trickle to "our side". Also, if simply doing nothing is more humane and decent than the current course of action, one should expeditiously stop funding and otherwise facilitating the supply of weapons and recruits to rebels in Syria and Iraq, and drop embargoes affecting the government of Syria, and we can get Algerian solution, perhaps more democratic, perhaps less, hopefully much better governance than in Egypt. If the Islamists of Turkey would loose face and power in the process, it could be a huge bonus.

Turkey shows Western dilemma starkly: we start from "exporting freedom" and we end up importing police state.

[Sep 18, 2015] Oil prices weak on economic concerns, OPEC target on market share

finance.yahoo.com

U.S. West Texas Intermediate (WTI) crude futures were trading at $46.74 per barrel at 0535 GMT, down 16 cents from their last settlement. Brent prices were at $49.12 per barrel, up 4 cents.

Kuwait, a key producer of the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC), said on Thursday the oil market would balance itself but that this would take time, indicating support for the group's policy of defending market share despite falling prices.

... ... ...

Analysts had suggested a weaker greenback - a usual result of low interest rates - would support oil, as it makes dollar-traded crude cheaper for countries using other currencies.

[Sep 18, 2015] Popular Russian pranksters claim responsibility for calling Elton John

"...Sir Elton John believed that he had been talking to Russian president. "Thank-you to President Vladimir Putin for reaching out and speaking via telephone with me today. I look to forward to meeting with you face-to-face to discuss LGBT equality in Russia," he wrote in his Instagram post. "
"...Why Obama and Cameron are silent? Why all those who (once again) fell to this kind of "real Russian reporting" are silent too? Tsk! "

Lyttenburgh, September 16, 2015 at 9:50 pm
Russian Pranksters Take Responsibility for Elton John Putin Call

Popular Russian pranksters known as Vovan (Vladimir Krasnov) and Lexus (Alexei Stolyarov) claim responsibility for calling Elton John and talking to him on behalf of Vladimir Putin and Dmitriy Peskov respectably. Part of the 11-minutes phone call will be aired during "Vecherniy Urgant" TV show.

Sir Elton John believed that he had been talking to Russian president. "Thank-you to President Vladimir Putin for reaching out and speaking via telephone with me today. I look to forward to meeting with you face-to-face to discuss LGBT equality in Russia," he wrote in his Instagram post.

Shortly after that, Vladimir Putin's press secretary denied that the call took place. Kremlin representative also supposed that Elton John's account could be a fake.
________________________________________________________________________

Why Obama and Cameron are silent? Why all those who (once again) fell to this kind of "real Russian reporting" are silent too? Tsk!

Fern, September 17, 2015 at 5:29 pm
I did find this prank pretty funny – Elton John has an ego the size of Montana. Anyone else would have thought 'gee, on a balance of probabilities, how likely is it that the President of Russia would find the time in his day to contact an ageing British pop star to discuss something of peripheral interest to him?"
Patient Observer, September 17, 2015 at 5:32 pm
Sir Elton was cringe-worthy.
marknesop, September 17, 2015 at 6:04 pm
I'm afraid I laughed at it, too. Although I did love "Saturday Night's All Right For Fighting" and "I Guess That's why they Call it the Blues". Sorry, Sir John. At least it did not end in tragedy, as in the case of that nurse in Australia who hanged herself after being tricked by a similar prank.

Sir John might have been suspicious as well, but being gay has gone to his head and he has let that define him more than anything else. If "Putin" had asked him to sing "Rocket Man" over the phone to him, he would have suspected a trick immediately. But the opportunity to be a spokesman for the homosexual agenda made him throw caution to the winds.

[Sep 18, 2015] Russian Insider article concerning the ever truthful and impartial BBC

"...You Tube clip BBC Propaganda, Lies, Bias & Cover-Ups posted by a commenter to this Russian Insider article concerning the ever truthful and impartial BBC (which is not state unded, of course) announcement that it is starting a special Russian language service to counter "Kremlin funded" RT "propaganda"
Moscow Exile, September 16, 2015 at 1:42 am
You Tube clip BBC Propaganda, Lies, Bias & Cover-Ups posted by a commenter to this Russian Insider article concerning the ever truthful and impartial BBC (which is not state funded, of course) announcement that it is starting a special Russian language service to counter "Kremlin funded" RT "propaganda:
marknesop, September 16, 2015 at 7:58 am
There was a very good clip in a comment to one of the Russia Insider articles yesterday, too, featuring that Russo-Spanish chap that Yalensis once posted here doing a report from Crimea, in which he mostly just walked around and pointed out the signs of normality and prosperity which were at odds with official reporting.

His new piece was called Mosaic of Facts; it was quite good. Miguel-Frances Santiago, yeah, that's it.

I believe he mentions his family is part-Russian, although he does not appear to speak it.

[Sep 18, 2015] The Russians are Coming! by Graham E. Fuller

"...A remarkably sound analysis by Graham Fuller on Russia and Syria: http://grahamefuller.com/the-russians-are-coming/
Despite his CIA pedigree and the Tsarnaev connection, Fuller has moments of lucidity occasionally – he published a book in the 1990s arguing that Iran under the ayatollahs was nowhere near as totalitarian as the Western groupthink suggested, and in some ways outpaced Israel, 'the-only-democracy-in-the-midlle-east', in terms of societal openness."
"...The overthrow of Asad seemed a simple task in 2011 as the Arab Spring sparked early uprisings against him. The US readily supported that goal, as did Turkey along with Saudi Arabia and others. As the Asad regime began to demonstrate serious signs of resilience, however, the US and Turkey stepped up support to nominally moderate and secular armed opposition against Damascus, thereby extending the brutal civil war."
"...For similar reasons Iran's long-time open challenge against American ability act with impunity in the Middle East has always constituted a deep source of American strategic anger-viscerally surpassing the more Israel-driven nuclear issue."
"...In my view, the fall of Asad will not bring peace but will instead guarantee deadly massive long-term civil conflict in Syria among contending successors in which radical jihadi forces are likely to predominate-unless the west commits major ground forces to impose and supervise a peace. We've been there once before in the Iraq scenario. A replay of Iraq surely is not what the West wants."
"...What Russia will not accept in the Middle East is another unilateral US (or "NATO") fait accompli in "regime change" that does not carry full UN support. (China's interests are identical to Russia's in most respects here.)"
"...It is essential that the US not extend its new Cold War with Russia into the Middle East where shared interests are fairly broad - unless one rejects that very supposition on ideological grounds. The same goes for Iran."
September 14, 2015 | grahamefuller.com

Washington has been wrapped in confusion and indecision for years now in trying to sort out just what its real objectives are in Syria. Its obsessive, and ultimately failed goal of denying Iran influence in the Middle East has notably receded with Obama's admirable success in reaching a deal with Iran on the nuclear issue and gradual normalization of Iran's place in the world.

But while the Israel lobby and its Republican allies failed to block Obama's painstaking work in reaching that agreement, they now seem determined to hobble its implementation in any way possible. This is utterly self-defeating: unable to block Iran's re-emergence they seem determined to deny themselves any of the key payoffs of the agreement-the chance to work with Iran selectively on several important common strategic goals: the isolation and defeat of ISIS, a settlement in Syria that denies a jihadi takeover, the rollback of sectarianism as a driving force in the region, a peaceful settlement in Iran's neighbor Afghanistan, and the freeing up of energy/pipeline options across Asia.

But let's address this Syrian issue. There's a new development here-stepped up Russian involvement-that poses new challenge to the American neocon strategic vision. So here is where Washington needs to sort out what it really wants in Syria. Is the main goal still to erode Iranian influence in the region by taking out Iran's ally in Damascus? Or does it want to check Russian influence in the Middle East wherever possible in order to maintain America's (fast becoming illusory) dominant influence? These two goals had seemed to weigh more heavily in Washington's calculus than Syrian domestic considerations. In other words, Asad is a proxy target.

There are two major countries in the world at this point capable of exerting serious influence over Damascus-Russia and Iran. Not surprisingly, they possess that influence precisely because they both enjoy long-time good ties with Damascus; Asad obviously is far more likely to listen to tested allies than heed the plans of enemies dedicated to his overthrow.

The overthrow of Asad seemed a simple task in 2011 as the Arab Spring sparked early uprisings against him. The US readily supported that goal, as did Turkey along with Saudi Arabia and others. As the Asad regime began to demonstrate serious signs of resilience, however, the US and Turkey stepped up support to nominally moderate and secular armed opposition against Damascus, thereby extending the brutal civil war.

That calculus began to change when radical jihadi groups linked either to al-Qaeda or to ISIS (the "Islamic State") began to overshadow moderate opposition forces. As ruthless as Asad had been in crushing domestic opposition, it became clear that any likely successor government would almost surely be dominated by such radical jihadi forces-who simply fight more effectively than the West's preferred moderate and secular groups who never got their act together.

Enter Russia. Moscow had already intervened swiftly and effectively in 2013 to head off a planned US airstrike on Damascus to take out chemical weapons by convincing Damascus to freely yield up its chemical weapons; the plan actually succeeded. This event helped overcome at least Obama's earlier reluctance to recognize the potential benefits of Russian influence in the Middle East to positively serve broader western interests in the region as well.

Russia is of course no late-comer to the region: Russian tsars long acted as the protector of Eastern Orthodox Christians in the Middle East in the nineteenth century; the Russians had been diplomatic players in the geopolitical game in the region long before the creation of the Soviet Union. During the West's Cold War with the Soviet Union the two camps often strategically supported opposite sides of regional conflicts: Moscow supported revolutionary Arab dictators while the West supported pro-western dictators. Russia has had dominant military influence in Syria for over five decades through weapons sales, diplomatic support, and its naval base in Tartus.

With the collapse of the USSR in 1991 Russian influence in the area sharply declined for the first time as the new Russia sorted itself out. America then began declaring itself the "world's sole superpower," allegedly now free to shape the world strategically as it saw fit. And the significant neoconservative and liberal interventionist factions in Washington still nourish the same mentality today-predicated on the belief that the US can continue to maintain primacy around the world-economic, military, and diplomatic. In this sense, any acknowledgment of Russian influence in the Middle East (or elsewhere) represents an affront, even "a threat" to US dominance and prestige.

For similar reasons Iran's long-time open challenge against American ability act with impunity in the Middle East has always constituted a deep source of American strategic anger-viscerally surpassing the more Israel-driven nuclear issue.

Today the combination of Russia and Iran (whose interests do not fully coincide either) exert major influence over the weakening Asad regime.

If we are truly concerned about ISIS we must recognize that restoration of a modicum of peace in Syria and Iraq are essential prerequisites to the ultimate elimination of ISIS that feeds off of the chaos.

Russia appears now to be unilaterally introducing new military forces, stepped up weapons deliveries, and possibly including limited troop numbers into Syria specifically to back the Asad regime's staying power. Washington appears dismayed at this turn of events, and has yet to make up its mind whether it would rather get rid of Asad, or get rid of ISIS. It is folly to think that both goals can be achieved militarily.

In my view, the fall of Asad will not bring peace but will instead guarantee deadly massive long-term civil conflict in Syria among contending successors in which radical jihadi forces are likely to predominate-unless the west commits major ground forces to impose and supervise a peace. We've been there once before in the Iraq scenario. A replay of Iraq surely is not what the West wants.

So just how much of a "threat" is an enhanced Russian military presence in Syria? It is simplistic to view this as some zero-sum game in which any Russian gain is an American loss. The West lived with a Soviet naval base in Syria for many decades; meanwhile the US itself has dozens of military bases in the Middle East. (To many observers, these may indeed represent part of the problem.)

Even were Syria to become completely subservient to Russia, US general interests in the region would not seriously suffer (unless one considers maintenance of unchallenged unilateral power to be the main US interest there. I don't.) The West has lived with such a Syrian regime before. Russia, with its large and restive Muslim population and especially Chechens, is more fearful of jihadi Islam than is even the US. If Russia were to end up putting combat troops on the ground against ISIS (unlikely) it would represent a net gain for the West. Russia is far less hated by populations in the Middle East than is the US (although Moscow is quite hated by many Muslims of the former Soviet Union.) Russia is likely to be able to undertake military operations against jihadis from bases within Syria. Indeed, it will certainly shore up Damascus militarily-rather than allowing Syria to collapse into warring jihadi factions.

What Russia will not accept in the Middle East is another unilateral US (or "NATO") fait accompli in "regime change" that does not carry full UN support. (China's interests are identical to Russia's in most respects here.)

We are entering a new era in which the US is increasingly no longer able to call the shots in shaping the international order. Surely it is in the (enlightened) self-interest of the US to see an end to the conflict in Syria with all its cross-border sectarian viciousness in Iraq. Russia is probably better positioned than any other world player to exert influence over Asad. The US should be able to comfortably live even with a Russian-dominated Syria if it can bring an end to the conflict-especially when Washington meanwhile is allied with virtually every one of Syria's neighbors. (How long Asad himself stays would be subject to negotiation; his personal presence is not essential to 'Alawi power in Syria.)

What can Russia do to the West from its long-term dominant position in Syria? Take Syria's (virtually non-existent) oil? Draw on the wealth of this impoverished country? Increase arms sales to the region (no match for US arms sales)? Threaten Israel? Russia already has close ties with Israel and probably up to a quarter of Israel's population are Russian Jews.

Bottom line: Washington does not have the luxury of playing dog in the manger in "managing" the Middle East, especially after two decades or more of massive and destructive policy failure on virtually all fronts.

It is essential that the US not extend its new Cold War with Russia into the Middle East where shared interests are fairly broad-unless one rejects that very supposition on ideological grounds. The same goes for Iran.

We have to start someplace.

Graham E. Fuller is a former senior CIA official, author of numerous books on the Muslim World; his latest book is "Breaking Faith: A novel of espionage and an American's crisis of conscience in Pakistan." (Amazon, Kindle) grahamefuller.com

[Sep 18, 2015] Poroshenko is deliberately overpricing the company so it won't sell

marknesop, September 16, 2015 at 12:49 pm
Well, actually, he did, if I remember correctly. Roshen was indeed placed in a trust, so that Poroshenko cannot fiddle with the day-to-day running of it, which he would hardly have time to do anyway. Yeah…here's a mention of it; Rothschild's (surprise!!) is holding on to it for him, and it was Nestle who offered "no more than a Billion dollars" for the company. According to the article, it is just the owners' judgment that says it is worth three times that amount, and it seems odd an American company would try to rip off America's good friend by low-balling him. I wonder if he has not deliberately priced it so it won't sell.

According to Sputnik, the company is worth $1.5 Billion, although they don't say how that figure was arrived upon, either. I know you will be surprised to learn that Poroshenko blames….Russia for his failure to sell the company. Uh huh, he said "at the moment, Russian authorities – and it would be better to ask [the management of] Roshen about this, are preventing the sale…In any case, it must be carried through to the end."

Hmmm….I'm kind of editing this as I go along, as I find more information. Here's what is to me the most informative site so far; Kapital says the company was assessed at $1.6 Billion by Eavex Capital Investment company. Eavex is the former Sincome Capital, relaunched as Eavex following the acquisition of a 10% minority shareholding by Accuro Group (Zurich). Eavex reports that two factories have been shut down; Lipetsk, in Russia, and Mariupol. Perhaps that has something to do with the zeal with which the state military is defending Mariupol; if that factory could be restored to stable production, the company's worth could go up to $2.1 Billion. The current assessed value is based on "a multiplier calculated on financial performance of the corporation in previous periods", to which a discount is applied for reduced volume of business. But you have to hand it to Roshen – even without Poroshenko's steady hand on the tiller, they have increased their stores in Kiev to 18, a 38.4% increase over 2013. Roshen chocolates and candies are also sold in supermarkets and retail chain stores, and new supermarkets increased by more than 20% in Ukraine in 2013.

Anyway, it does look like Poroshenko is deliberately overpricing the company so it won't sell. Nestle offered $1 Billion even, the company as it currently stands is worth $1.6 Billion, if it could restore the Mariupol factory to stable production and perhaps dispose of the Lipetsk factory it might be worth as much as $2.1 Billion, and Poroshenko is asking almost $1 Billion more than that.

et Al, September 16, 2015 at 2:24 pm
I sit corrected (the cat has f/k'd off). Then it makes eminent sense to not sell now, especially to Nestlé who are as brutal as you would expect from an American company. They bought Cadbury in the UK a few years back, the Conservative government receiving 'ass-urances' that they won't butcher Cadbury. Of course, Nestlé did. It was another case of a US company off-shoring its taxes to the UK (big pharma has done this too with the UK), which is weird. We are told that the US is great for companies because it has low tax blah blah blah blah.

So, why do US globocorps need to shift their tax address to countries like the UK to avoid paying tax. I say follow Italy's model. Massively support SMEs and make sure they co-operate with each other as the sum of parts so that they are global competitors. This is what German companies do. They band together and go global. The Frogs, not so much.

I 'know' a French engineer who want to take his 3D printing patent big time. His boss won't fund it as it is 'high risk', no other French company is interested because of IP and who gets the cash. In the EU, if you can pony up half the development money from private sources, the EU will pitch in the other half, particularly for ground-breaking and innnovative products. I asked him if he'd looked abroad. No. I even suggested Japan as this is what James Dyson of bagless hoover fame did. Not one single European white goods manufacturer gave him any time. A big Japanese company did which meant he could set up his laboratory and factory in the UK. When Euro-companies started copying his designs, he had the full weight of a massive Japanese corporation's legal department to shit on them from a great height.

The crux being, if the U S A is so great for business, WTF are they doing tax dodging in expensive, crappy Europe (mofos)? /rant

Jen, September 16, 2015 at 6:03 pm
I believe the Cameron govt keeps cutting corporation tax, precisely to attract more money, and Ireland, Liechtenstein, the Netherlands and Switzerland also have very low corporate tax rates. Jersey and the Isle of Man (both part of the UK) are also attractive places for US investment.
https://home.kpmg.com/xx/en/home/services/tax/tax-tools-and-resources/tax-rates-online/corporate-tax-rates-table.html
marknesop , September 16, 2015 at 12:37 pm
It is worth mentioning also that Poroshenko was a co-drafter of the European Association Agreement, before he ran for office. It has been suggested that he wrote a number of amendments into it which would have been extremely beneficial – not to mention lucrative – for Roshen had the transition been the great and thunderous success Europe plainly expected it to be. Little bit of a conflict of interest there, but it might help to explain why he is holding on to his business. After all, if nobody's buying but you genuinely want to sell, you drop your price a little, sort of feel around to see where the floor is. Poroshenko has never dropped his price to the very best of my knowledge, and some Candy News site reported a large company – Cadbury, or somebody in their league, I forget now – made an offer but it was much too low for Poroshenko. This further imples he is not really interested in selling and may even have deliberately priced it too high, because he expects to return to life as a wealthy…ahem…"tycoon" once he has served his penance as Ukraininan leader.
Moscow Exile, September 16, 2015 at 9:41 pm
The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine purchased 4 tons of chocolate from LLC "Kyiv Confectionery Company" on September 2, also known as the official distributor of the Roshen Corporation. The total transaction amounted to 995 520 UAH [$45,923].

See Fort Russ: Ukrainian MOD bought 4 tons of Roshen chocolate for the Ukrainian army

September 15, 2015 at 9:45 am

Robert Parry: Who's to Blame for Syria Mess? Putin!
https://consortiumnews.com/2015/09/13/whos-to-blame-for-syria-mess-putin/

Exclusive: Official Washington's new "group think" is to blame Russia's President Putin for the Syrian crisis, although it was the neocons and President George W. Bush who started the current Mideast mess by invading Iraq, the Saudis who funded Al Qaeda, and the Israelis who plotted "regime change," says Robert Parry.

By Robert Parry

Sen. Lindsey Graham may have been wrong about pretty much everything related to the Middle East, but at least he has the honesty to tell Americans that the current trajectory of the wars in Syria and Iraq will require a U.S. re-invasion of the region and an open-ended military occupation of Syria, draining American wealth, killing countless Syrians and Iraqis, and dooming thousands, if not tens of thousands, of U.S. troops.

Graham's grim prognostication of endless war may be a factor in his poll numbers below one percent, a sign that even tough-talking Republicans aren't eager to relive the disastrous Iraq War. Regarding the mess in Syria, there are, of course, other options, such as cooperation with Russia and Iran to resist the gains of the Islamic State and Al Qaeda and a negotiated power-sharing arrangement in Damascus. But those practical ideas are still being ruled out…

…Privately, I'm told, Obama agreed to - and may have even encouraged - Putin's increased support for the Assad regime, realizing it's the only real hope of averting a Sunni-extremist victory. But publicly Obama senses that he can't endorse this rational move. Thus, Obama, who has become practiced at speaking out of multiple sides of his mouth, joined in bashing Russia – sharing that stage with the usual suspects, including The New York Times' editorial page…
####

Yes.

marknesop, September 15, 2015 at 11:49 am
There was a fascinating comment to that article, which seemed to me very informed and was a genuine eye-opener. For instance, the western media regularly raves on ad infinitum about Assad's "Allawite power structure". It was a complete surprise to me to learn "In Syria's 30-strong cabinet only two ministers are Alawite. The prime minister is Sunni, as are the interior minister, the justice minister, the foreign minister, even the defense minister."

I'll repeat the entire comment here; it comes from Wolf Mato, and contains an excellent and informative link which proves the U.S. military community at least is well aware of the inclusive nature of the Syrian government. There seems little doubt that the United States government is aware of it as well.

This is the first article about Syria here, with which I nearly fully agree, and so I try it again to make a comment, after two earlier attempts to comment on other articles failed.

Putin can indeed be blamed partly for the Syrian mess, because a more decisive support of the Government in the early stages of the uprising or bombing campaigns against Jabhat al-Nusra and IS in 2013 would have quelled the insurgency. Russia also should have moved against Turkey, but Putin didn't want to jeopardize trade with Turkey. He proposed even a "Turkish Stream" natural gas pipeline, but negotiation about this project fortunately have collapsed, so Russia doesn't have to take care about Turkish sensibilities.

I don't agree with the sentence: "So, although it's surely true that Syrian security forces struck back fiercely at times in the brutal civil war…" This appears to be a concession to the popular presumption, established via million times repeated catchphrases (butcher Assad), that Syria is a brutal totalitarian dictatorship, where the Sunni majority is suppressed by an Alawite clique.

The classification of the Syrian war as a "civil war" is debatable, it could as well be seen as an undeclared war of aggression by Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Israel, the USA).

I also object to the sentence: "The obvious solution would be a power-sharing arrangement that gives Sunnis more of a say."

Sunni are represented sufficiently and pols in 2012 and 2013 showed, that the majority of Sunnis support Bashar al-Assad. Sunnis are represented in the government as well as in the security apparatus and account for between 60 and 65 percent of the regular army. Many high ranking officers are Sunni.

Even a West Point analysis had to acknowledge that https://www.ctc.usma.edu/posts/syrias-sunnis-and-the-regimes-resilience.

In Syria's 30-strong cabinet only two ministers are Alawite. The prime minister is Sunni, as are the interior minister, the justice minister, the foreign minister, even the defense minister.

Beside that, who should take part in a power sharing transitional government? Who of the external opposition figures has enough support of the Syrian population to justify an inclusion is a power sharing government?

Please name the people in the external opposition who could be entrusted with reconciling the war-torn nation?

In my opinion, this guy's comment kicks the stool out from under nearly every western commentator on the subject. Well done, Mr. Mato – well done.

[Sep 18, 2015] Robert Parry: Who's to Blame for Syria Mess? Putin!

et Al, September 15, 2015 at 9:45 am
Robert Parry: Who's to Blame for Syria Mess? Putin!
https://consortiumnews.com/2015/09/13/whos-to-blame-for-syria-mess-putin/

Exclusive: Official Washington's new "group think" is to blame Russia's President Putin for the Syrian crisis, although it was the neocons and President George W. Bush who started the current Mideast mess by invading Iraq, the Saudis who funded Al Qaeda, and the Israelis who plotted "regime change," says Robert Parry.

By Robert Parry

Sen. Lindsey Graham may have been wrong about pretty much everything related to the Middle East, but at least he has the honesty to tell Americans that the current trajectory of the wars in Syria and Iraq will require a U.S. re-invasion of the region and an open-ended military occupation of Syria, draining American wealth, killing countless Syrians and Iraqis, and dooming thousands, if not tens of thousands, of U.S. troops.

Graham's grim prognostication of endless war may be a factor in his poll numbers below one percent, a sign that even tough-talking Republicans aren't eager to relive the disastrous Iraq War. Regarding the mess in Syria, there are, of course, other options, such as cooperation with Russia and Iran to resist the gains of the Islamic State and Al Qaeda and a negotiated power-sharing arrangement in Damascus. But those practical ideas are still being ruled out…

…Privately, I'm told, Obama agreed to - and may have even encouraged - Putin's increased support for the Assad regime, realizing it's the only real hope of averting a Sunni-extremist victory. But publicly Obama senses that he can't endorse this rational move. Thus, Obama, who has become practiced at speaking out of multiple sides of his mouth, joined in bashing Russia – sharing that stage with the usual suspects, including The New York Times' editorial page…
####

Yes.

marknesop, September 15, 2015 at 11:49 am
There was a fascinating comment to that article, which seemed to me very informed and was a genuine eye-opener. For instance, the western media regularly raves on ad infinitum about Assad's "Allawite power structure". It was a complete surprise to me to learn "In Syria's 30-strong cabinet only two ministers are Alawite. The prime minister is Sunni, as are the interior minister, the justice minister, the foreign minister, even the defense minister."

I'll repeat the entire comment here; it comes from Wolf Mato, and contains an excellent and informative link which proves the U.S. military community at least is well aware of the inclusive nature of the Syrian government. There seems little doubt that the United States government is aware of it as well.

This is the first article about Syria here, with which I nearly fully agree, and so I try it again to make a comment, after two earlier attempts to comment on other articles failed.

Putin can indeed be blamed partly for the Syrian mess, because a more decisive support of the Government in the early stages of the uprising or bombing campaigns against Jabhat al-Nusra and IS in 2013 would have quelled the insurgency. Russia also should have moved against Turkey, but Putin didn't want to jeopardize trade with Turkey. He proposed even a "Turkish Stream" natural gas pipeline, but negotiation about this project fortunately have collapsed, so Russia doesn't have to take care about Turkish sensibilities.

I don't agree with the sentence: "So, although it's surely true that Syrian security forces struck back fiercely at times in the brutal civil war…" This appears to be a concession to the popular presumption, established via million times repeated catchphrases (butcher Assad), that Syria is a brutal totalitarian dictatorship, where the Sunni majority is suppressed by an Alawite clique.

The classification of the Syrian war as a "civil war" is debatable, it could as well be seen as an undeclared war of aggression by Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Israel, the USA).

I also object to the sentence: "The obvious solution would be a power-sharing arrangement that gives Sunnis more of a say."

Sunni are represented sufficiently and pols in 2012 and 2013 showed, that the majority of Sunnis support Bashar al-Assad. Sunnis are represented in the government as well as in the security apparatus and account for between 60 and 65 percent of the regular army. Many high ranking officers are Sunni.

Even a West Point analysis had to acknowledge that https://www.ctc.usma.edu/posts/syrias-sunnis-and-the-regimes-resilience.

In Syria's 30-strong cabinet only two ministers are Alawite. The prime minister is Sunni, as are the interior minister, the justice minister, the foreign minister, even the defense minister.

Beside that, who should take part in a power sharing transitional government? Who of the external opposition figures has enough support of the Syrian population to justify an inclusion is a power sharing government?

Please name the people in the external opposition who could be entrusted with reconciling the war-torn nation?

In my opinion, this guy's comment kicks the stool out from under nearly every western commentator on the subject. Well done, Mr. Mato – well done.

Jen, September 15, 2015 at 4:04 pm
A power-sharing arrangement along religious lines, as exists in Lebanon and (since 2003) in Iraq, will weaken Syrian society in forcing people to live in parallel sub-cultures (Alawite, Christian, Druze, Shi'ite Muslim, Sunni Muslim) with competing interests. Plus sectarianism in Lebanese politics and society did not help Shi'ites much at all and they practically had to create their own society and institutions outside mainstream Lebanese society in Hezbollah since the 1980s.
Oddlots, September 15, 2015 at 8:41 pm
From what I read years back the "power sharing" constitution of Lebanon was like a demographic time bomb. Can't remember what situation it developed from but it fixed the power balance on an arbitrary point in time (and then set off the timer.)

Naive probably but if you can't come up with a national project that overwhelms this crap (much less enshrines it) then you don't really have a country do you?

Strange that the countries that have actually achieved that are the primary targets of Western interests (and their allies): Libya, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan. And our allies are exactly the Islamofascists that US / NATO bobble heads suggest are being countered.

Pull the other one fuckers.

Pavlo Svolochenko, September 15, 2015 at 6:48 pm
What exactly is Washington's case on this point anyway? That a religious minority should not have representation and influence in the government far out of proportion to its numbers as a proportion of the general population?

Have they ever stopped to consider how that principle might be applied closer to home?

Special_sauce, September 15, 2015 at 8:03 pm
There are pics of Assad addressing Parliament at the start of this crisis. Among his audience are men in business suits, men in arab dress, women with hair uncovered, women with hair covered, those with dark skins, those with light, those with kinky hair, those with straight. Precisely the sort of secular multivarious conclave the West never ceases to hold forth as the ideal. The swine.

[Sep 18, 2015] Putin did not speak to Elton John

Erika, September 15, 2015 at 11:18 am
Putin did not speak to Elton John
http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150915/1027041069.html

I was at first a bit bemused by this, thinking we were being trolled, but now I wonder if it is something more sinister.

A. this announcement and fanfare is being done days before Putin goes to New York
B. It is meant to force a meeting
C. It is meant to embarrass Russia
D. Reminds me of the Sochi Olympics were everyone "Western Media" will be talking about Gay Rights instead of Putin's speech.

marknesop, September 15, 2015 at 12:11 pm
That's interesting – I saw that report, too; "Putin calls Elton John after speech" or something like that, and it never occurred to me to question it. You might be right, and they might be fuelling up the Gay Bandwagon again. But I'm pretty sure Putin could handle Elton John in any kind of meeting he asked for. Putin is pretty good as speaking in verifiable facts, while Elton John's arguments are mostly emotional and probably rely on the garbage he reads in the papers.

It's the assessment that it is a ploy to make Putin's whole conversation at the UN about gay rights that might well be on the mark. Good catch.

Oddlots, September 15, 2015 at 5:48 pm
Garbage in, garbage out.

Judging by a straw poll of acquaintances it works very well indeed.

Patient Observer, September 15, 2015 at 2:39 pm
I was thinking similarly but not as elaborated as your thoughts. My thoughts was more as a publicity stunt to elevate his perceived influence and importance and to create the impressions that Russia is deeply concerned by the West's views of gay rights in Russia.
Jen, September 15, 2015 at 4:16 pm
If Pamela Anderson couldn't get an audience with Putin – she wrote an open letter to him – and the most she could get was an audience in Vladivostok with Sergei Donskoy (the cabinet minister responsible for natural resources and environmental issues) due to the nature of her request, there's no way Elton John would have been able to speak to Putin. He would have been directed instead to talk to the relevant minister in charge of cultural issues or issues involving discrimination against minority groups, or to someone whom minister delegates John's request to. Elton John can expect no more and no less because exactly the same thing would be done in the UK.

[Sep 18, 2015] Coalition aircraft may find themselves providing close air support to New Syrian Forces embedded with a Free Syrian Army unit that Russian aircraft are targeting

"...Enormous pressure will now be brought to bear on Putin to try and dissuade him from a military committment in Syria. If he were not an honourable man, he would already have won, because it appears he would be able to name reasonable terms – such as the lifting of sanctions against Russia – in exchange for simply staying out of the way and letting Washington complete its destruction of the sovereign state of Syria."
"...Coalition aircraft may find themselves providing close air support to New Syrian Forces embedded with a Free Syrian Army unit that Russian aircraft are targeting. While a direct clash between coalition and Russian aircraft is highly unlikely, an active Russian air presence in the region would only muddle the battlefield in Syria's airspace more. Subsequently, it is unsurprising that reports from the rebel Shamiya Front, though currently unconfirmed, suggest that Turkey has abandoned its efforts to persuade the United States to participate in a no-fly zone over northern Aleppo."

et Al, September 16, 2015 at 12:53 pm

ABC Nudes: Kerry: US Weighs Russia Offer of Military Talks on Syria
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/russian-moves-syria-flummox-us-33790614

… Kerry said Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov had proposed the consultation in a phone call on Tuesday and that the White House, Pentagon and State Department were considering it. Kerry suggested that he favored such an idea, noting that the United States wants a clear picture of what Russia's intentions are in Syria following a recent military buildup there.

Lavrov proposed a "military-to-military conversation and meeting in order to discuss the issue of precisely what will be done to deconflict with respect to any potential risks that might be run and have a complete and clear understanding as to the road ahead and what the intentions are," Kerry told reporters at a joint State Department news conference with South Africa's foreign minister.

"You have a conversation in order to do that," Kerry said. "It is vital to avoid misunderstandings, miscalculations (and) not to put ourselves in a predicament where we are supposing something and the supposition is wrong."

Kerry said Lavrov had told him that Russia was only interested in confronting the threat posed by the Islamic State group in Syria. But Kerry stressed it remained unclear if that position would change and Russia would mount a defense of Syrian President Bashar Assad who the U.S. believes must leave power.

"Obviously, there a questions about that," he said. "I am not taking that at face value."

However, he added that if Russia is only focused on the Islamic State group then it remains a potential partner in pushing for a political transition in Syria. "If Russia is only focused only on ISIL and if there is a capacity for cooperation … there still is a way to get a political negotiation and outcome," he said.

Kerry also said he had spoken on Wednesday with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu who office announced earlier that he would visit Moscow next week to discuss Syria with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

His comment come as Russia's military buildup in Syria has perplexed the Obama administration and left it in a quandary as to how to respond.

In his call with Lavrov on Tuesday, his third in 10 days, Kerry said he sought clarity about Moscow's moves and warned that Russian support for Assad "risks exacerbating and extending the conflict."…
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That's right kids, it is the White House and Kerry calling the shots. It was their idea after all!

marknesop, September 16, 2015 at 1:53 pm
The mention of the word "deconfliction" is curious, in the context that Russia is only sending a few advisers to Syria and does not intend to go much beyond that. "Deconfliction" implies a policy to reduce or eliminate the possibility of blue-on-blue (friendly against friendly) engagements, and customarily includes recognition signals, designated operating areas, bla, bla. The military forces of the western coalition currently in Syria are exclusively air power. There should be little requirement for deconfliction unless Russia plans to introduce an air power element of its own, serious air-defense assets, or both.

Kerry has made it as clear as it needs to be that the western effort in Syria is focused on toppling Assad, and the method of it is despicably cynical, since the ISIL/ISIS rebels are also a Washington creation, employed with corresponding enormous property damage and loss of life, not to mention serious depopulation due to fleeing refugees – all a pretext to get the US Air Force in there so they could contribute to forcing Assad from power. It would be nothing short of criminal if such an effort succeeded, since it would reward the behaviour and the stratagem.

Enormous pressure will now be brought to bear on Putin to try and dissuade him from a military committment in Syria. If he were not an honourable man, he would already have won, because it appears he would be able to name reasonable terms – such as the lifting of sanctions against Russia – in exchange for simply staying out of the way and letting Washington complete its destruction of the sovereign state of Syria. I believe he will not do that; perhaps because he is an honourable man, perhaps out of practical considerations of the harm it will do Russia to have another warlord Islamic state not so very far away from its borders, and the likelihood a successful US creation of chaos there will result in it shifting target to the Caucasus on completion.

Washington has to be faced down here and now, and there is nothing to be gained by delay.

Northern Star, September 16, 2015 at 2:45 pm
" perhaps out of practical considerations of the harm it will do Russia to have another warlord Islamic state not so very far away from its borders,"
Exactly.. The Russians very much have a dog in this fight…yet another ME abattoir created by USA neocon psychos and their PC protégées in the State Department ,the UN etc.,

Someone last night remarked that the continuing deluge of ME refugees into Europe could provoke a fulminating, savage rise of ultra right nationalistic parties who are also virulently anti NATO...

One can only hope for the best…

marknesop, September 16, 2015 at 3:10 pm
For what it's worth, STRATFOR agrees with me that the term "deconfliction" suggests Russia intends to introduce an air component. "U.S. Officials" through their conduits, Reuters and Bloomberg, report that Russia intends to deploy MiG 31 and SU-25 aircraft – the latter would be especially effective as they are designed for ground attack. The report says that ISIS-linked forces have already started to back away from Latakia – but for me, the money shot in the report was this:

Coalition aircraft may find themselves providing close air support to New Syrian Forces embedded with a Free Syrian Army unit that Russian aircraft are targeting. While a direct clash between coalition and Russian aircraft is highly unlikely, an active Russian air presence in the region would only muddle the battlefield in Syria's airspace more. Subsequently, it is unsurprising that reports from the rebel Shamiya Front, though currently unconfirmed, suggest that Turkey has abandoned its efforts to persuade the United States to participate in a no-fly zone over northern Aleppo.

I don't know how much clearer it needs to be. Western governments are angling for a Libya scenario, in which NATO air forces act as the de facto air force of the rebels, assisting them to take Damascus.

PaulR, September 16, 2015 at 5:17 pm
So far this appears to be a lot of fuss about not very much. I remain unconvinced that this is a major escalation by the Russians.

[Sep 18, 2015] The least Russia has held of American securities in the last two years was in April this year, when it held only $66.5 Billion

Sep 17, 2015 | marknesop.wordpress.com

Moscow Exile, September 17, 2015 at 2:00 am

Russia has invested another $10 billion in the US national debt

In July Russia increased its investment in US Treasury bonds by $9.7 billion of dollars, according to information given by the United States Treasury and Federal Reserve.

Moscow Exile, September 17, 2015 at 2:03 am
Source of the above: lenta.ru, Kommersant etc.
et Al, September 17, 2015 at 5:54 am
Curious. Just as China has been deleveraging itself from its US bonds/debt, Russia is taking some on. There must be something more to this.
marknesop, September 17, 2015 at 10:40 am
It's odd, but $10 Billion doesn't really represent much of an adventure. The least Russia has held of American securities in the last two years was in April this year, when it held only $66.5 Billion. The most during the period shown was in August last year, when Russia held nearly twice that, $118.1 Billion. And China, while media mythology has them shoveling dollars out the windows, held $1.24 Trillion at the end of July this year, up slightly from January. Nobody seemed to notice that Belgium sold of $20 Billion more than China did.

https://smaulgld.com/foreign-holdings-u-s-treasuries/

However, look at the vulnerability the USA itself has taken on through QE, and government buying of its own securities, just in 2014.

[Sep 18, 2015] Assad Must Go No, American Arrogance Must Go! by Andrew Korybko

"...What the US had wanted to do is overthrow all of the Mideast's republics (even those allied with the US such a Egypt) in order to bring a transnational Muslim Brotherhood clique to power in each of them that would thus make it a lot easier to control the entire region. "
"...Think of it as the neocons' version of a 21st-century communist party, but directed towards control of the Mideast and not Europe (which has the EU for that). "
Sep 18, 2015 | sputniknews.com

The US' obsessive insistence that "Assad must go" is the most dangerous expression of American arrogance in years.

White House Press Secretary Joshua Earnest channeled President Obama's famous chant that "Assad must go" when he claimed during a regular press briefing that:

"The international community has decided that it's time for Assad to go. He clearly has lost legitimacy to lead. He has lost the confidence of those citizens of his country - at least the ones that - or I guess I should say particularly the ones that he is using the resources of the military to attack."

The arrogance on display is both stupefying and dangerous. The problem in Syria isn't, nor ever has been, President Assad – it's always been the US' arrogance in dictating demands and then militarily enforcing them after they've been rejected.

American Arrogance

Syria's ills are directly traceable to the failure of American foreign policy in the Mideast. The US rabidly went on a regime change streak that began during the Bush years, with former Supreme Allied Commander of Europe for NATO General Wesley Clark revealing in his 2007 memoirs that a senior general showed him a memo and said:

"'Here's the paper from the Office of the Secretary of Defense [then Donald Rumsfeld] outlining the strategy. We're going to take out seven countries in five years.' And he named them, starting with Iraq and Syria and ending with Iran."

Earlier that year, investigative journalist Seymour Hersh wrote an expose in The New Yorker in which he detailed, among other proposed regional regime change specifics, that the Bush Administration was planning to use the Muslim Brotherhood to launch a Gulf-funded sectarian war against the Syrian government.

At the time, the reason was supposedly because of Damascus' closeness to Tehran, but later information as reported by The Guardian reveals that the decision to build a Friendship Pipeline between Iran, Iraq, and Syria in 2010, and Damascus' rejection of a similar one from Qatar, likely had a lot to do with why the anti-government terrorist plan was pushed forward for activation the year after.

Beginning in 2011, the Mideast was rocked by the so-called "Arab Spring", which Russian General Chief of Staff Valery Gerasimov would in hindsight categorize as a theater-wide Color Revolution during an official conference on the topic last year in Moscow.

What the US had wanted to do is overthrow all of the Mideast's republics (even those allied with the US such a Egypt) in order to bring a transnational Muslim Brotherhood clique to power in each of them that would thus make it a lot easier to control the entire region.

Think of it as the neocons' version of a 21st-century communist party, but directed towards control of the Mideast and not Europe (which has the EU for that).

The Gulf Monarchies were not targeted because of their staunch pro-American allegiance and the potential that any domestic disruption would have in upsetting the US' economic interests there.

Between the pro-American Gulf Monarchies and the pro-American EU thus lay a handful of republics that weren't so firmly under the US' sway (or not at all influenced by it like Syria), so in order for the US to securely control the broad swatch of Afro-Eurasia stretching from Iceland to Yemen, it needed to overthrow those governments, ergo the "Arab Spring" Color Revolutions.

The People's Will

But something went wrong as it always does with the US' plans, and it was that the Syrian people wholeheartedly rejected the Muslim Brotherhood's ploy at regime change, instead favoring to preserve the secular and multicultural society that Syrian civilization is historically known for.

For this simple reason, the Color Revolution attempt was a dismal failure from the very beginning, hence why the US and its allies (notably Turkey, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia) sought to transform it into an Unconventional War by arming their proxies and ordering them to escalate their soft coup attempt into a hard one.

The resultant Hybrid War that's been raging for the past four and a half years is thus a manifestation of the US' geopolitical obsession for regime change. Far from realizing that the people had resoundingly rejected such an approach from the very beginning, the US and its allies dug in by reinforcing their proxy elements inside the country and allowing foreign fighters to flood into Syria via the Turkish border.

Amidst this external onslaught being launched against them, the Syrian people continued to bravely soldier on and democratically show the rest of the world that they supported their government.

A constitutional referendum in 2012 passed by an 89% margin and with the participation of 57% of the population, while President Assad was reelected in 2014 with 88.7% of the vote in which 73% of the electorate took part.

Both sets of numbers trump the civil society participation and political legitimacy of Western countries and their leaders, and as President Assad once said, there is no way he could remain in office during this war if he didn't truly have the support of the vast majority of the population.

It's also telling that most of the country's refugees haven't fled the country, but have instead decided to stay in their homeland and seek safety under the protection of the Syrian Arab Army, which currently provides security to around 80% of Syria's citizens.

Be that as it is, the US and its allies stubbornly ignored the people's will, and instead continued to blindly pump weapons and fighters into the country in clear confirmation of the adage that insanity is "repeating the same thing over again but expecting different results".

Ground Zero In The War On Terror

All of those fighters and weapons that the US and its allies were shipping into Syria were bound to lead to some major problems, chief among them the rise of ISIL, but this was actually predicted and supported by the US government a couple years ago. Judicial Watch published a declassified report that it received in May from a Freedom Of Information Act request that proves that the Pentagon's Defense Information Agency thought that:

"If the situation unravels there is the possibility of establishing a declared or undeclared Salafist principality in Eastern Syria (Hasaka and Der Zor), and this is exactly what the supporting powers to the opposition want, in order to isolate the Syrian regime, which is considered the strategic depth of the Shia expansion (Iraq and Iran).

This bombshell dovetails with what Syrian Ambassador to Russia Riyad Haddad recently said in an interview where he accused the US of using terrorism to promote regime change in his country. President Putin followed up at the CSTO summit by warning countries of the risks inherent in employing double-standards towards terrorists and directly or indirectly using them to further certain tactical objectives.

In order to stem the tide of terror that the US unleashed in the Mideast, Russia is rapidly moving forward with assembling an inclusive anti-ISIL coalition, and President Putin is expected to use his keynote speech at the UN General Assembly later this month to make his case that the situation is far too pressing to care about regime change, and that the world must unite in supporting Syria as it fights on its behalf on the frontlines against terror.

American arrogance got the world into this mess, but if you ask Russia, it'll be Syrian humility that gets it out in one piece.

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The views expressed in this article are solely those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official position of Sputnik.

[Sep 18, 2015] Grapes of wrath: fury in Crimea as Putin and Berlusconi drink 240-year-old wine Alec Luhn in Moscow

What a despicable presstitute is this Alex Luhn. Hopefully he was drunk when he was writing that, because for a sober person to write such a crap is too much of humiliation.
"...Click bait."
"...Crikey! The Guardian's really scraping the barrel in its relentless efforts to diss Putin."
Sep 17, 2015 | The Guardian


CanadaChuck 18 Sep 2015 20:22

Amusing that anyone would care what is said by a 'prosecutor in exile'. The Crimea now belongs to Russia and it will remain Russian. If I was just a little more cynical, I would suggest that this is only Guardian anti-Russia propaganda.


someoneionceknew 18 Sep 2015 19:21

Click bait.


nnedjo 18 Sep 2015 18:43

But the prosecutor general of the former Crimean government, which has been operating in exile since Russia annexed the peninsula in 2014, didn't find the VIP degustation amusing.

He opened a criminal case for large scale theft over the incident, estimating the loss at two million hryvnia, or about £60,000, the Centre of Journalistic Investigations reported.

In the footage, Berlusconi is seen picking up a 1891 vintage and asking "Can we drink them?"

Well, it seems that the former Crimean prosecutor decided to rob Berlusconi, for about thirty years older wines from the same winery costs only about £7000.:-)

Fine and Rare Wines are worldwide distributors of these wines, and have just put a new collection up for sale. Unfortunately I have not tasted the wines, but the list is fascinating, from a single bottle of 1865 Yquem bottled for the Tsar at a cool £7,000, to a 1948 Massandra Tokay for £165, and rated at 96 points by Robert Parker.

Shiku101 18 Sep 2015 18:34

I never seen such a badly peice of propaganda in my life. "Two leaders" One of them is an xleader. Whom has a long standing relationship with Putin. Berlusconi is obly there for the wine and the bunga bunga

Dmitry Koreshkov 18 Sep 2015 17:53

"fury in crimea"? another spoon of hogwash, guardian?

PeteSaman Be Gold 18 Sep 2015 17:26

Yes it would be far more productive if Putin and Berlusconi spent their time pretending that a country had WMD. They could plan an illegal invasion to liberate the population ( and oil) while taking the moral high ground. Then, and only then should they be allowed to drink wine.


nnamesiw 18 Sep 2015 16:52

Once drank from a bottle of "fortified wine" from 1845. Still 'drinkable'...but, in truth, not a great flavour at all. Chances are that B & P also would have been far better with much fresher content.


mrcleano 18 Sep 2015 16:22

Crikey! The Guardian's really scraping the barrel in its relentless efforts to diss Putin.


WalterCronkiteBot 18 Sep 2015 16:08

What does Elton John think about all this?


Canajin 18 Sep 2015 16:02

So it was the Italian guy that asked the director for a taste, and the director obliged. Making it a court case is like being charged for accepting a sample slice of ham from the store deli. By the way, did anyone ask them how it tasted?

The Guardian should be ashamed for making a fuss about this silly situation. But then, we do know the G has to follow the government's agenda.


vr13vr 18 Sep 2015 15:34

And as it has become usual, the Kiev's reaction is to ban Silvio from entering Ukraine and to declare him a national security threat. Oh, boy. It would have been so funny if it wasn't so pathetic.


Sam Hayes 18 Sep 2015 15:27

Luhns really scraping the barrel. Does he really get paid [twice] for this?

[Sep 18, 2015]U.S. Begins Military Talks With Russia on Syria

Sep 18, 2015 | The New York Times

The diplomatic initiative amounted to a pivot for the Obama administration, which just two weeks ago delivered a stern warning to the Kremlin that its military buildup in Syria risked an escalation of the civil war there or even an inadvertent confrontation with the United States. Last week, President Obama condemned Russia's move as a "strategy that's doomed to failure."

But the White House seemed to acknowledge that the Kremlin had effectively changed the calculus in Syria in a way that would not be soon reversed despite vigorous American objections. The decision to start talks also reflected a hope that Russia might yet be drawn into a more constructive role in resolving the four-year-old civil war.


The Pentagon announced that Defense Secretary Ashton B. Carter had spoken by telephone on Friday with Sergei K. Shoigu, the Russian minister of defense. It was Mr. Carter's first discussion with his Russian counterpart since he took office seven months ago. The two men agreed to continue discussions on "mechanisms for deconfliction" in Syria, Peter Cook, the Pentagon press secretary, said in a statement.

[Sep 18, 2015] The Weaponization of Ignorance: the West's Go-To Experts

Northern Star, September 17, 2015 at 7:54 am
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/11/us-mideast-crisis-syria-arms-idUSKCN0RB1Q020150911
It appears as if the Russians are moving with calculated deliberation.
Whereas for the Empire…Operation ClusterF continues with increasing frenzy:
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/09/16/general-only-handful-syrian-fighters-remain-battle.html

http://news.yahoo.com/syrias-un-diplomat-supports-idea-russian-airstrikes-163754294.html
….stay tuned

et Al, September 17, 2015 at 8:06 am
It's fairly obvious, except for Neuters who refuse to entertain common sense, let alone go there. There will be no repeat of Libya et al (not me!) where the West has set up a 'No Fly Zone' and then proceeded to use their military aircraft as an air force for the rebels/whomever.

Those air defenses sent to Syria mean that they will be the first target (according to Western military doctrine) of any such attempt by the West to intervene directly and that will lead to the death of Russian soldiers and citizens.

There is no way the West could claim to kill Russian soldiers 'accidentally' and get away with it as those systems are expressly defensive. It would not just be the political and military consequences to be faced from such an 'event', but it would be a massive PR disaster for the West too.

As others have commented multiple times here, Obama publicly proclaims his red lines, Putin doesn't, but sets them up pragmatically.

I'm still waiting for those Yak-130s to turn up, though I would now guess that some pilots would be Syrian and some Russian – just to make it even more risky for the West to do anything stupid.

Northern Star, September 17, 2015 at 8:17 am

"just to make it even more risky for the West to do anything stupid."

The Western fascist PTB are obviously not risk averse to serial acts of jaw dropping stupidity….

Cortes, September 17, 2015 at 10:10 am

Peter Lee's take on recent western media reports on how Syria campaign has progressed (his view is now Plan C – Putting the Toothpaste Back in the Tube is underway):

http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/09/17/hidden-history-of-syria-regime-collapse-strategy-begins-to-emerge/

[Sep 18, 2015] Peak Oil Review - Sep 14

When the IEA's monthly Oil Market Report came out last week, it seconded the gloomy outlook by forecasting that non-OPEC oil production will fall by 500,000 b/d in 2016, which would be the largest drop in 20 years. The IEA also has US production falling by 400,000 b/d next year.

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The US House of Representatives passed a bill to repeal the oil export ban last week. Some in Congress are so enthusiastic about the prospects for exporting US crude, despite the circa 7.5 million b/d of US imports, that they are talking about "containing Iran" with US oil. The prospects for the bill in the Senate are still uncertain.

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Before the sanctions can be lifted, Tehran has to ship 12 tons of partially-enriched uranium out of the country, dismantle and store more than 13,000 centrifuges and convert its underground nuclear enrichment facility into a research station. The Iranians must also dismantle the core of their heavy water reactor which is capable of making plutonium for atom bombs, make arrangements for IAEA inspections, and answer questions about past efforts to build nuclear weapons. Western experts expect that it will take six to nine months to accomplish these steps. Tehran, anxious to get its economy moving again, say they can be completed much quicker.

On October 19th, the US and EU are to lift many of the sanctions on doing business with Tehran and grant access to some $125 billion in frozen Iranian assets, only some $60 billion of which are liquid enough to be of much use...

Iran was producing some 3.6 million b/d before the sanctions and exporting to 21 countries. After the sanctions, Iran's customers were down to six countries and production fell to 2. 5 million b/d and is now thought to be about 2.9 million...

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Wall Street analysts now are seriously contemplating the likelihood that a further slowdown in China's economy will lead to a global recession starting in countries that are dependent on exports to China. Trade data out last week showed a 14 percent drop in the value of China's imports in August. This was the 10th consecutive fall in Beijing's imports.

The Shanghai International Energy Exchange is about to establish a crude derivatives contract to rival that of New York's West Texas Intermediate and London's Brent. As the world's biggest oil importer, China is likely to play a major role in the oil markets in coming years. Beijing will likely move to have its futures contracts denominated in yuan as a means of undercutting the dollar in the global oil markets.

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Investment in U.K. North Sea oil and gas projects could drop as much as 80 percent by 2017 as the collapse in oil prices forces the industry to cut back. Capital investment across the industry of 14.8 billion pounds ($22.8 billion) last year will probably decline by 2 billion to 4 billion pounds annually to 2017. (9/9)

Norway said total revenues for the oil-rich economy were down by nearly 5 percent for the second quarter of 2015. Its oil-driven economy has been pressured by lower crude oil prices, with overall investments expected to decline by 12 percent this year. (9/9)

Norway's Statoil said development of the giant Johan Sverdrup field is moving swiftly. The field is expected to be operational during 2019. At peak Norway's 5th largest field is expected to produce up to 650,000 b/d. (9/12)

Italian energy company Eni said the republic of Cyprus could serve as a strategic energy hub and a possible conduit for future Egyptian natural gas supplies. (9/11)

In Russia, at a time when the collapse in crude prices pushes the economy into a recession, the nation's oil producers are managing to beat their western counterparts. On measures including cash flow, profit margins and share prices, Rosneft, Lukoil – Russia's two largest oil producers - and Gazprom are performing better than Royal Dutch Shell, BP or Exxon Mobil. (9/8)

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The US oil-rig count fell by 10 to 652 in the latest reporting week, the second straight decline after six consecutive weeks of increases, according to Baker Hughes. There are still about 59 percent fewer oil rigs working since a peak of 1,609 in October 2014. The number of gas rigs declined by six to 196. For all rigs, including natural gas, the week's total was down 16 to 848. (9/12

US imports: The EIA reports Saudi Arabian oil accounts for roughly 17 percent of all crude oil imported into the US, putting it at the No. 2 spot behind Canada. Total imports of Saudi crude for the week ending Sept. 4 were 1.06 million barrels per day, down 15.2 percent from the same week in 2014. (9/12)

Thousands of stripper-well operators in the US are losing money and some are shutting in their wells. This step could turn out to be a key element in ending the oil-price rout, rather than the difference being made by a large producing country like Saudi Arabia or a big public company. (9/8)

US shale producers lost more than $30 billion during the first half of 2015, as the prolonged slump in oil prices takes its toll. Bankruptcies and restructuring are on the rise as independent oil and gas companies do what they can to survive. Data company Factset reports that capital spending exceeded cash from operations by about $32 billion in the first six months of the year and is quickly approaching the deficit of $37.7 billion reported for the whole of 2014. (9/10)


[Sep 18, 2015] Oil Prices Could Surge As This Country Fails To Meet Production Targets By Nick Cunningham,

Sep 17, 2015 | OilPrice.com

For years, Iraq has been central to the IEA's rosy scenarios for long-term sources of new oil supply. A few years ago, the IEA predicted that Iraq would more than double its output to 6.1 million barrels per day (mb/d) by 2020, and 8.3 mb/d by 2035 – nearly triple what Iraq was producing at the time the IEA published its report.

Any projection should be taken with a large degree of skepticism, but the IEA's prediction that the world would be well-supplied for the next several decades was largely predicated on Iraq coming through with a huge ramp up in production. The increase of 5 mb/d from Iraq over the next twenty years would account for about 45 percent of the total increase in global oil supply.

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Against the odds, Iraq has thus far succeeded in achieving impressive gains in oil production, exceeding 4 million barrels per day in recent months, a record high. It is the second largest OPEC producer behind only Saudi Arabia.

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Wood Mackenzie expects production to be essentially flat through the end of the decade, rising to just 4.4 mb/d.

Moreover, a large portion of the more than 3 mb/d in production gains by the end of the decade was expected to come from the south near Basra, where Iraq's super-giant oil fields are located. But the Wall Street Journal recently profiled one major project that is behind schedule, highlighting the precarious circumstances that Iraq's ambitious production targets are based upon.

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The project near Basra involved injecting saltwater from the Persian Gulf into oil fields in order to increase reservoir pressure and thereby boost production. But the project won't be completed until at least 2020, seven years later than expected. Without the so-called Common Seawater Supply Facility, production from Iraq's southern oil fields, which account for about three-quarters of the country's output, could fall by 10 percent per year.

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The evidence then points to Iraq not living up to the expectations of it making up such a large portion of global supply growth in the coming years. Taking away several million barrels per day of production capacity by 2020 that we had previously expected to come online suggests that the oil markets will tighten significantly in the not so distant future.

Michael Moran on September 18 2015 said:

I think more immediate question is 2016 and 2017. Can Iraq maintain 4+ million b/d given current situation. Or does production start to drop off in 2016 and 2017? One note in WSJ article was number of rigs working in Iraq had dropped in half from first of year. Could it be oil companies moved rigs because they were not being paid? Oil well decline in production, without rigs to drill new ones Iraq production may decline far sooner than expected.


[Sep 18, 2015] $50 Oil For 15 Years – Can Anyone Take Goldman Seriously Anymore By Evan Kelly

Sep 18, 2015 | OilPrice.com

Goldman gets a lot of attention with these types of headline-grabbing figures, but they seem to be off base on this one. The EIA has confirmed that U.S. oil production is declining, already down 500,000 barrels per day since peaking earlier this spring at 9.6 million barrels per day. At the same time, demand is rising. Throw in some other major sources of expected growth in oil production that won't pan out – a few million barrels per day of capacity that were expected from both Iraq and Brazil can probably be ruled out – and there is a recipe for a rather strong rebound in oil prices in the coming years. Obviously, the big question is when that will happen. The glut could persist through this year and next, but calling for oil to remain near $50 per barrel for 15 years seems like a stretch.

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Statoil (NYSE: STO) brought the first subsea compression plant in the world online this week. The subsea facility, located at Asgard in the Norwegian Sea, will increase production by around 306 million barrels of oil equivalent, boosting output from the aging field. "This is one of the most demanding technology projects aimed at improving oil recovery. We are very proud today that we together with our partners and suppliers have realised this project that we started ten years ago," Margareth Øvrum, Statoil's executive vice president for Technology, Drilling and Projects, said in a statement. The subsea system will increase the ultimate recovery of the Midgard reservoir from 67 to 87 percent, and the Mikkel reservoir from 59 to 84 percent. Fields lose reservoir pressure over time, and compression boosts that pressure. But the closer you can get to the well, the more oil and gas can be recovered. Usually, compression is done at the sea surface on a platform. This is the first gas compression facility at the sea floor. It is illustrative of an important emerging trend in the offshore oil industry.

[Sep 18, 2015] China Is Hoarding the World's Oil by Grant Smith

"...China's demand growth is set to slow to an annual rate of 2.3 percent by the fourth quarter compared with 5.6 percent in the second quarter, a reflection of "weak car sales data, declines in industrial activity, plummeting property prices and fragile electricity output," the IEA said in a report on Sept. 11."
September 17, 2015 | Bloomberg Business

Goldman Sachs says Chinese hoarding may avert $20 oil scenario

....In the first seven months of the year, China purchased about half a million barrels of crude in excess of its daily needs, the most for the period since 2012, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. As the country gathers bargain barrels for its strategic petroleum reserve, the demand is cushioning an oversupplied market from a further crash, according to Columbia University's Center on Global Energy Policy.

"It throws a lifeline to the market" that safeguards against the risk of crude touching $20 a barrel, Jeff Currie, head of commodities research at Goldman Sachs Group Inc. in New York, said by phone. "That lifeline lasts through late 2016."

Over the next 18 month, the EIA estamates that China will put 132 million barrel of crude into storage. Another 149 million barrels of capacity is planned by 2020. 218.9 are filled.

...the U.S. Strategic Petroleum Reserve has been stable at about 700 million barrels for years

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China's demand growth is set to slow to an annual rate of 2.3 percent by the fourth quarter compared with 5.6 percent in the second quarter, a reflection of "weak car sales data, declines in industrial activity, plummeting property prices and fragile electricity output," the IEA said in a report on Sept. 11.

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When amassing inventories, China's import demand can swing by as much as 1 million barrels a day

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"The surplus in the market at the moment is close to 2 million barrels a day," said Miswin Mahesh, an analyst at Barclays in London. "China's support for the SPR would only be able to take a fraction out of that.

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By mopping up some of the surplus, China encourages a gentler scenario in which the "financial stress" of $40 oil gradually causes highly indebted shale producers to curb production, Currie said. "You reduce the likelihood of a scenario where the market only balances when prices collapse below production costs, at about $20 a barrel," he said.

[Sep 18, 2015] Big oil's broken model By Michael T Klare

If we assume that at each price point only a finite amount of oil can be profitably extracted from Earth (which is a small planet, that is now well researched for oil) , the current slump in oil prices looks extremely suspicious. It means robbing of future generations, as conservation efforts are now derailed.
The problem with the view expressed is that cost of production can't be changed dramatically. That should slow the rate of increase of consumption but such dramatic drop in prices requires special engendering and some backstage agreement between the USA and Saudi Arabia.
"...Demand will continue to rise -- that's undeniable, given expected growth in world income and population -- but not at the pace to which Big Oil has become accustomed. Consider this: in 2005, when many of the major investments in unconventional oil were getting under way, the EIA projected that global oil demand would reach 103.2 million barrels per day in 2015; now, it's lowered that figure for this year to only 93.1 million barrels. Those 10 million "lost" barrels per day in expected consumption may not seem like a lot, given the total figure, but keep in mind that Big Oil's multibillion-dollar investments in tough energy were predicated on all that added demand materializing, thereby generating the kind of high prices needed to offset the increasing costs of extraction. With so much anticipated demand vanishing, however, prices were bound to collapse."

"...the IEA believes that oil prices will only average about $55 per barrel in 2015 and not reach $73 again until 2020. "

Sep 18, 2015 | atimes.com/atimes

Many reasons have been provided for the dramatic plunge in the price of oil to about US$60 per barrel (nearly half of what it was a year ago): slowing demand due to global economic stagnation; overproduction at shale fields in the United States; the decision of the Saudis and other Middle Eastern OPEC producers to maintain output at current levels (presumably to punish higher-cost producers in the US and elsewhere); and the increased value of
Big oil's broken model
By Michael T Klare

Many reasons have been provided for the dramatic plunge in the price of oil to about US$60 per barrel (nearly half of what it was a year ago): slowing demand due to global economic stagnation; overproduction at shale fields in the United States; the decision of the Saudis and other Middle Eastern OPEC producers to maintain output at current levels (presumably to punish higher-cost producers in the US and elsewhere); and the increased value of the dollar relative to other currencies.

There is, however, one reason that's not being discussed, and yet it could be the most important of all: the complete collapse of Big Oil's production-maximizing business model.

Until last fall, when the price decline gathered momentum, the oil giants were operating at full throttle, pumping out more petroleum every day. They did so, of course, in part to profit from the high prices. For most of the previous six years, Brent crude, the international benchmark for crude oil, had been selling at $100 or higher. But Big Oil was also operating according to a business model that assumed an ever-increasing demand for its products, however costly they might be to produce and refine.

This meant that no fossil fuel reserves, no potential source of supply - no matter how remote or hard to reach, how far offshore or deeply buried, how encased in rock - was deemed untouchable in the mad scramble to increase output and profits.

In recent years, this output-maximizing strategy had, in turn, generated historic wealth for the giant oil companies. Exxon, the largest US-based oil firm, earned an eye-popping $32.6 billion in 2013 alone, more than any other American company except for Apple. Chevron, the second biggest oil firm, posted earnings of $21.4 billion that same year. State-owned companies like Saudi Aramco and Russia's Rosneft also reaped mammoth profits.

How things have changed in a matter of mere months.

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According to the Energy Information Administration (EIA) of the U.S. Department of Energy, world oil production rose from 85.1 million barrels per day in 2005 to 92.9 million in 2014, despite the continuing decline of many legacy fields in North America and the Middle East. Claiming that industry investments in new drilling technologies had vanquished the specter of oil scarcity, BP's latest CEO, Bob Dudley, assured the world only a year ago that Big Oil was going places and the only thing that had "peaked" was "the theory of peak oil."

That, of course, was just before oil prices took their leap off the cliff, bringing instantly into question the wisdom of continuing to pump out record levels of petroleum. The production-maximizing strategy crafted by O'Reilly and his fellow CEOs rested on three fundamental assumptions:

  1. that, year after year, demand would keep climbing;
  2. that such rising demand would ensure prices high enough to justify costly investments in unconventional oil;
  3. and that concern over climate change would in no significant way alter the equation.

Today, none of these assumptions holds true.

Demand will continue to rise -- that's undeniable, given expected growth in world income and population -- but not at the pace to which Big Oil has become accustomed. Consider this: in 2005, when many of the major investments in unconventional oil were getting under way, the EIA projected that global oil demand would reach 103.2 million barrels per day in 2015; now, it's lowered that figure for this year to only 93.1 million barrels. Those 10 million "lost" barrels per day in expected consumption may not seem like a lot, given the total figure, but keep in mind that Big Oil's multibillion-dollar investments in tough energy were predicated on all that added demand materializing, thereby generating the kind of high prices needed to offset the increasing costs of extraction. With so much anticipated demand vanishing, however, prices were bound to collapse.

Current indications suggest that consumption will continue to fall short of expectations in the years to come. In an assessment of future trends released last month, the EIA reported that, thanks to deteriorating global economic conditions, many countries will experience either a slower rate of growth or an actual reduction in consumption. While still inching up, Chinese consumption, for instance, is expected to grow by only 0.3 million barrels per day this year and next -- a far cry from the 0.5 million barrel increase it posted in 2011 and 2012 and its one million barrel increase in 2010. In Europe and Japan, meanwhile, consumption is actually expected to fall over the next two years.

And this slowdown in demand is likely to persist well beyond 2016, suggests the International Energy Agency (IEA), an arm of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (the club of rich industrialized nations). While lower gasoline prices may spur increased consumption in the United States and a few other nations, it predicted, most countries will experience no such lift and so "the recent price decline is expected to have only a marginal impact on global demand growth for the remainder of the decade."

This being the case, the IEA believes that oil prices will only average about $55 per barrel in 2015 and not reach $73 again until 2020. Such figures fall far below what would be needed to justify continued investment in and exploitation of tough-oil options like Canadian tar sands, Arctic oil, and many shale projects. Indeed, the financial press is now full of reports on stalled or cancelled mega-energy projects. Shell, for example, announced in January that it had abandoned plans for a $6.5 billion petrochemical plant in Qatar, citing "the current economic climate prevailing in the energy industry." At the same time, Chevron shelved its plan to drill in the Arctic waters of the Beaufort Sea, while Norway's Statoil turned its back on drilling in Greenland.

There is, as well, another factor that threatens the wellbeing of Big Oil: climate change can no longer be discounted in any future energy business model. The pressures to deal with a phenomenon that could quite literally destroy human civilization are growing. Although Big Oil has spent massive amounts of money over the years in a campaign to raise doubts about the science of climate change, more and more people globally are starting to worry about its effects -- extreme weather patterns, extreme storms, extreme drought, rising sea levels, and the like -- and demanding that governments take action to reduce the magnitude of the threat.

Europe has already adopted plans to lower carbon emissions by 20% from 1990 levels by 2020 and to achieve even greater reductions in the following decades. China, while still increasing its reliance on fossil fuels, has at least finally pledged to cap the growth of its carbon emissions by 2030 and to increase renewable energy sources to 20% of total energy use by then. In the United States, increasingly stringent automobile fuel-efficiency standards will require that cars sold in 2025 achieve an average of 54.5 miles per gallon, reducing U.S. oil demand by 2.2 million barrels per day. (Of course, the Republican-controlled Congress -- heavily subsidized by Big Oil -- will do everything it can to eradicate curbs on fossil fuel consumption.)

Still, however inadequate the response to the dangers of climate change thus far, the issue is on the energy map and its influence on policy globally can only increase. Whether Big Oil is ready to admit it or not, alternative energy is now on the planetary agenda and there's no turning back from that. "It is a different world than it was the last time we saw an oil-price plunge," said IEA executive director Maria van der Hoeven in February, referring to the 2008 economic meltdown. "Emerging economies, notably China, have entered less oil-intensive stages of development… On top of this, concerns about climate change are influencing energy policies [and so] renewables are increasingly pervasive."

The oil industry is, of course, hoping that the current price plunge will soon reverse itself and that its now-crumbling maximizing-output model will make a comeback along with $100-per-barrel price levels. But these hopes for the return of "normality" are likely energy pipe dreams. As van der Hoeven suggests, the world has changed in significant ways, in the process obliterating the very foundations on which Big Oil's production-maximizing strategy rested. The oil giants will either have to adapt to new circumstances, while scaling back their operations, or face takeover challenges from more nimble and aggressive firms.

Michael T. Klare, a TomDispatch regular, is a professor of peace and world security studies at Hampshire College and the author, most recently, of The Race for What's Left. A documentary movie version of his book Blood and Oil is available from the Media Education Foundation.

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Michael T Klare, a TomDispatch regular, is a professor of peace and world security studies at Hampshire College and the author, most recently, of The Race for What's Left. A documentary movie version of his book Blood and Oil is available from the Media Education Foundation.

Follow TomDispatch on Twitter and join us on Facebook. Check out the newest Dispatch Book, Rebecca Solnit's Men Explain Things to Me, and Tom Engelhardt's latest book, Shadow Government: Surveillance, Secret Wars, and a Global Security State in a Single-Superpower World.

(Copyright 2015 Michael T Klare)

[Sep 16, 2015] Oil, Iraq War, & Neoliberalism

"... Now with his war under attack, even President George W. Bush has gone public, telling reporters last August, "[a] failed Iraq … would give the terrorists and extremists an additional tool besides safe haven, and that is revenues from oil sales." Of course, Bush not only wants to keep oil out of his enemies' hands, he also wants to put it into the hands of his friends. "
"...Guaranteeing access to Iraq's oil, however isn't the whole story. Despite the lives lost and the utter ruin that the war has brought, the overarching economic agenda that the administration is successfully pursuing in the Middle East might be the most enduring legacy of the war-and the most ignored. Just two months after declaring "mission accomplished" in Iraq, Bush announced his plans for a U.S.-Middle East Free Trade Area to spread the economic invasion well-underway in Iraq to the rest of the region by 2013. Negotiations have progressed rapidly as countries seek to prove that they are with the United States, not against it."
"...In 2004, Michael Scheuer-the CIA's senior expert on al-Qaeda until he quit in disgust with the Bush administration-wrote, "The U.S. invasion of Iraq was not preemption; it was … an avaricious, premeditated, unprovoked war against a foe who posed no immediate threat but whose defeat did offer economic advantages." How right he was. For it is an absolute fallacy that the Bush administration had no post-invasion plan for Iraq. The administration had a very clear economic plan that has contributed significantly to the disastrous results of the war. The plan was prepared at least two months prior to the war by the U.S. consultancy firm, Bearing Point, Inc., which then received a $250 million contract to remake Iraq's economic infrastructure.
"...Halliburton received the largest contract, worth more than $12 billion, while 13 other U.S. companies received contracts worth more than $1.5 billion each. The seven largest reconstruction contracts went to the Parsons Corporation of Pasadena, Calif. ($5.3 billion); Fluor Corporation of Aliso Viejo, Calif. ($3.75 billion); Washington Group International of Boise, Idaho ($3.1 billion); Shaw Group of Baton Rouge, La. ($3 billion); Bechtel Corporation of San Francisco ($2.8 billion); Perini Corporation of Framingham, Mass. ($2.5 billion); and Contrack International, Inc. of Arlington, Va. ($2.3 billion). These companies are responsible for virtually all reconstruction in Iraq, including water, bridges, roads, hospitals, and sewers and, most significantly, electricity."
"...Put simply, U.S. oil companies want access to as much of Iraq's oil as they can get and on the best possible terms. The fact that Iraq is a war-ravaged and occupied nation works to the companies' benefit. As a result, the companies and the Bush administration are holding U.S. troops hostage in Iraq until they get what they want. Once the companies get their lucrative contracts, they will still need protection to get to work. What better security force is there than 144,000 American troops? {Following this pattern, we can know understand why the U.S. has not completed medical clinics, re-establish electric service, etc. They are holding the country hostage, with a promise of approve the sale of the oil fields and then these projects will be completed--jk.}"
January 15, 2007 | skeptically.org

Both parties support neoliberalism, and this is sufficient to explain the course of events leading up to and following the invasion of Iraq. Biparticism and media support of neoliberalism has left a gap in debate and reporting. The article below fills that gap-jk.

From In These Times @ www.inthesetimes.com

Features > January 15, 2007

Spoils of War: Oil, the U.S.-Middle East Free Trade Area and the Bush Agenda

By Antonia Juhasz, Antonia Juhasz, a visiting scholar at the Institute for Policy Studies, is the author of The Bush Agenda: Invading the World, One Economy at a Time, on which part of this article is based. She is working on a new book that will make the case for the break-up of the largest American oil companies. Learn more at www.TheBushAgenda.net.

Remember oil? That thing we didn't go to war in Iraq for? Now with his war under attack, even President George W. Bush has gone public, telling reporters last August, "[a] failed Iraq … would give the terrorists and extremists an additional tool besides safe haven, and that is revenues from oil sales." Of course, Bush not only wants to keep oil out of his enemies' hands, he also wants to put it into the hands of his friends.

The President's concern over Iraq's oil is shared by the Iraq Study Group, which on December 6 released its much-anticipated report. While the mainstream press focused on the report's criticism of Bush's handling of the war and the report's call for (potential) removal of (most) U.S. troops (maybe) by 2008, ignored was the report's focus on Iraq's oil. Page 1, chapter 1 laid out in no uncertain terms Iraq's importance to the Middle East, the United States and the world with this reminder: "It has the world's second-largest known oil reserves." The group then proceeds to give very specific and radical recommendations as to what should be done to secure those reserves.

Guaranteeing access to Iraq's oil, however isn't the whole story. Despite the lives lost and the utter ruin that the war has brought, the overarching economic agenda that the administration is successfully pursuing in the Middle East might be the most enduring legacy of the war-and the most ignored. Just two months after declaring "mission accomplished" in Iraq, Bush announced his plans for a U.S.-Middle East Free Trade Area to spread the economic invasion well-underway in Iraq to the rest of the region by 2013. Negotiations have progressed rapidly as countries seek to prove that they are with the United States, not against it.

The Bush Agenda

Within days of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, then-U.S. Trade Representative Robert Zoellick announced that the Bush administration would be "countering terror with trade." Bush reiterated that pledge four years later when he told the United Nations, "By expanding trade, we spread hope and opportunity to the corners of the world, and we strike a blow against the terrorists. Our agenda for freer trade is part of our agenda for a freer world." In the case of the March 2003 invasion and ongoing occupation of Iraq, these "free trade"-or corporate globalization-policies have been applied in tandem with America's military forces.

The Bush administration used the military invasion of Iraq to oust its leader, replace its government, implement new economic and political laws, and write a new constitution. The new economic laws have transformed Iraq's economy, applying some of the most radical-and sought-after-corporate globalization policies in the world and locking in sweeping advantages to U.S. corporations. Through the ongoing occupation, the Bush administration seeks to ensure that both Iraq's new government and this new economic structure stay firmly in place. The ultimate goal-opening Iraq to U.S. oil companies-is reaching fruition.

In 2004, Michael Scheuer-the CIA's senior expert on al-Qaeda until he quit in disgust with the Bush administration-wrote, "The U.S. invasion of Iraq was not preemption; it was … an avaricious, premeditated, unprovoked war against a foe who posed no immediate threat but whose defeat did offer economic advantages." How right he was. For it is an absolute fallacy that the Bush administration had no post-invasion plan for Iraq. The administration had a very clear economic plan that has contributed significantly to the disastrous results of the war. The plan was prepared at least two months prior to the war by the U.S. consultancy firm, Bearing Point, Inc., which then received a $250 million contract to remake Iraq's economic infrastructure.

L. Paul Bremer III-the head of the U.S. occupation government of Iraq, the Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA)-followed Bearing Point's plan to the letter. From May 6, 2003 until June 28, 2004, Bremer implemented his "100 Orders" with the force of law, all but a handful of which remain in place today. As the preamble to many of the orders state, they are intended to "transition [Iraq] from a … centrally planned economy to a market economy" virtually overnight and by U.S. fiat. Bremer's orders included firing the entire Iraqi military-some half a million men-in the first weeks of the occupation. Suddenly jobless, many of these men took their guns with them and joined the violent insurgency. Bremer also fired 120,000 of Iraq's senior bureaucrats from every government ministry, hospital and school. {By removing the Sumi bureaucracy, they removed opposition to globalization. The U.S. could now shop for support from what would soon be a newly elected factionalized parliament-jk.} His laws allowed for the privatization of Iraq's state-owned enterprises (excluding oil) and for American companies to receive preferential treatment over Iraqis in the awarding of reconstruction contracts. The laws reduced taxes on all corporations by 25 percent and opened every sector of the Iraqi economy to private foreign investment. The laws allowed foreign firms to own 100 percent of Iraqi businesses (as opposed to partnering with Iraqi firms) and to send their profits home without having to invest a cent in the struggling Iraqi economy. Iraqi laws governing banking, foreign investment, patents, copyrights, business ownership, taxes, the media, agriculture and trade were all changed to conform to U.S. goals.

After the U.S. corporate invasion of Iraq

More than 150 U.S. companies were awarded contracts for post-war work totaling more than $50 billion. The American companies were hired, even though Iraqi companies had successfully rebuilt the country after the previous U.S. invasion. And, because the American companies did not have to hire Iraqis, many imported foreign workers instead. The Iraqis were, of course, well aware that American firms had received billions of dollars for reconstruction, that Iraqi companies and workers had been rejected and that the country was still without basic services. The result: increasing hostility, acts of sabotage targeted directly at foreign contractors and their work, and a rising insurgency.

Halliburton received the largest contract, worth more than $12 billion, while 13 other U.S. companies received contracts worth more than $1.5 billion each. The seven largest reconstruction contracts went to the Parsons Corporation of Pasadena, Calif. ($5.3 billion); Fluor Corporation of Aliso Viejo, Calif. ($3.75 billion); Washington Group International of Boise, Idaho ($3.1 billion); Shaw Group of Baton Rouge, La. ($3 billion); Bechtel Corporation of San Francisco ($2.8 billion); Perini Corporation of Framingham, Mass. ($2.5 billion); and Contrack International, Inc. of Arlington, Va. ($2.3 billion). These companies are responsible for virtually all reconstruction in Iraq, including water, bridges, roads, hospitals, and sewers and, most significantly, electricity.

U.S. Air Force Colonel Sam Gardiner, author of a 2002 U.S. government study on the likely effect that U.S. bombardment would have on Iraq's power system, said, "frankly, if we had just given the Iraqis some baling wire and a little bit of space to keep things running, it would have been better. But instead we've let big U.S. companies go in with plans for major overhauls."

Many companies had their sights set on years-long privatization in Iraq, which helps explain their interest in "major overhauls" rather than getting the systems up and running. Cliff Mumm, head of Bechtel's Iraq operation, put it this way: "[Iraq] has two rivers, it's fertile, it's sitting on an ocean of oil. Iraq ought to be a major player in the world. And we want to be working for them long term."

And, since many U.S. contracts guaranteed that all of the companies' costs would be covered, plus a set rate of profit (known as cost-plus contracts), they took their time, building expensive new facilities that showcased their skills and would serve their own needs should they be runing the systems one day.

Mismanagement, waste, abuse and criminality have also characterized U.S. corporations in Iraq-leading to a series of U.S. contract cancellations. For example, a $243 million contract held by the Parsons Corporation for the construction of 150 health care centers was cancelled after more than two years of work and $186 million yielded just six centers, only two of which are serving patients. Parsons was also dropped from two different contracts to build prisons, one in Mosul and the other in Nasiriyah. The Bechtel Corporation was dropped from a $50 million contract for the construction of a children's hospital in Basra after it went $90 million over budget and a year-and-a-half behind schedule. These contracts have since been turned over to Iraqi companies.

Halliburton's subsidiary KBR is currently being investigated by government agencies and facing dozens of charges for waste, fraud and abuse. Most significantly, in 2006, the U.S. Army cancelled Halliburton's largest government contract, the Logistics Civil Augmentation Program (LOGCAP), which was for worldwide logistical support to U.S. troops. Halliburton will continue its current Iraq contract, but this year the LOGCAP will be broken into smaller parts and competitively bid out to other companies.

The Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction (SIGIR), a congressionally-mandated independent auditing and oversight body, has opened 256 investigations into criminal fraud, four of which have resulted in convictions. SIGIR has provided critical oversight of the U.S. reconstruction, but this fall it nearly fell prey to a GOP attempt to shut down its activities well ahead of schedule. Fortunately, it survived.

SIGIR's October 2006 report to Congress reveals the failure of U.S. corporations in Iraq. In the electricity sector, less than half of all planned projects in Iraq have been completed, while 21 percent have yet to even begin. Even the term "complete" can be misleading as, for example, SIGIR has found that contractors have failed to build transmission and distribution lines to connect new generators to homes and businesses. Thus, nationally, Iraqis have on average just 11 hours of electricity a day, and in Baghdad, the heart of instability in Iraq, there are between four and eight hours on average per day. Before the war, Baghdad averaged 24 hours per day of electricity.

While there has been greater success in finishing water and sewage projects, the fact that 80 percent of potable water projects are reported complete does little good if there is no electricity to pump the water into homes, hospitals or businesses. Meanwhile, the health care sector is truly a tragedy. Just 36 percent of planned projects are reported as complete. Of 20 planned hospitals, 12 are finished and only six of 150 planned public health centers are serving patients today.

Overall, the economy is languishing, with high inflation, low growth, and unemployment rates estimated at 30 to 50 percent {being part of a militia is providing employment} for the nation and as high as 70 percent in some areas. The International Monetary Fund has enforced a structural adjustment program on Iraq that mirrors much of Bush's corporate globalization agenda, and the administration continues to push for Iraq's admission into the World Trade Organization.

Iraq has not, therefore, emerged as the wealthy free market haven that Bush & Co. had hoped for. Several U.S. companies are now preparing to pack up, head home and take their billions of dollars with them, their work in Iraq left undone. The Bush administration is likely to follow a dual strategy: continuing to pursue a corporate free-trade haven in Iraq, while helping U.S. corporations extricate themselves without consequence. The administration will also focus on the big prize: Iraq's oil.

Winning Iraq's oil prize:

The Bush Agenda does have supporters, especially those corporate allies that have both shaped and benefited from the administration's economic and military policies. In the 2000 election cycle, the oil and gas industry donated 13 times more money to Bush's campaign than to Al Gore's. The Bush administration is the first in history in which the president, vice president and secretary of state are all former energy company officials. In fact, the only other U.S. president to come from the oil and gas industry was Bush's father. Moreover, both George W. Bush and Condoleezza Rice have more experience running oil companies than they do working for the government.

Planning to secure Iraq's oil for U.S. companies began on the tenth day of the Bush presidency, when Vice President Dick Cheney established the National Energy Policy Development Group-widely referred to as "Cheney's Energy Task Force." It produced two lists, titled "Foreign Suitors for Iraqi Oilfield Contracts as of 5 March 2001," which named more than 60 companies from some 30 countries with contracts for oil and gas projects across Iraq-none of which were with American firms. However, because sanctions were imposed on Iraq at this time, none of the contracts could come into force. If the sanctions were removed-which was becoming increasingly likely as public opinion turned against the sanctions and Hussein remained in power-the contracts would go to all of those foreign oil companies and the U.S. oil industry would be shut out.

As the Bush administration stepped up its war planning, the State Department began preparations for post-invasion Iraq. Meeting four times between December 2002 and April 2003, members of the State Department's Oil and Energy Working Group mapped out Iraq's oil future. They agreed that Iraq "should be opened to international oil companies as quickly as possible after the war" and that the best method for doing so was through Production Sharing Agreements (PSAs).

PSAs are considered "privatization lite" in the oil business and, as such, are the favorite of international oil companies and the worst-case scenario for oil-rich states. With PSAs, oil ownership ultimately rests with the government, but the most profitable aspects of the industry-exploration and production-are contracted to the private companies under highly favorable terms. None of the top oil producers in the Middle East use PSAs, because they favor private companies at the expense of the exporting governments. In fact, PSAs are only used in respect to about 12 percent of world oil reserves {such as Nigeria}.

After the invasion

Two months after the invasion of Iraq, in May 2003, the U.S.-appointed senior adviser to the Iraqi Oil Ministry, Thamer al-Ghadban, announced that the new Iraqi government would honor few, if any, of the dozens of contracts signed with foreign oil companies under the Hussein regime.

At the same time, Bremer was laying the economic groundwork for a "U.S. corporate friendly" Iraq. When Bremer left Iraq in June 2004, he bequeathed the Bush economic agenda to two men, Ayad Allawi and Adel Abdul Mahdi, who Bremer appointed interim Prime Minister and Finance Minister, respectively {viz., two sell the oil lackeys to head the Iraq government}. Two months later, Allawi (a former CIA asset) submitted guidelines for a new petroleum law to Iraq's Supreme Council for Oil Policy. The guidelines declared "an end to the centrally planned and state dominated Iraqi economy" and advised the "Iraqi government to disengage from running the oil sector, including management of the planned Iraq National Oil Company (INOC), and that the INOC be partly privatized in the future."

Allawi's guidelines also turned all undeveloped oil and gas fields over to private international oil companies. Because only 17 of Iraq's 80 known oil fields have been developed, Allawi's proposal would put 64 percent of Iraq's oil into the hands of foreign firms. However, if a further 100 billion barrels are discovered, as is widely predicted, foreign companies could control 81 percent of Iraq's oil-or 87 percent if, as the Oil Ministry predicts, 200 billion barrels are found.

On December 21, 2004, Mahdi joined U.S. Undersecretary of State Alan Larson at the National Press Club and announced Iraq's plans for a new petroleum law that would open the oil sector to private foreign investment. "I think this is very promising to the American investors and to American enterprise, certainly to oil companies," said Mahdi. He described how, under the proposed law, foreign companies would gain access both to "downstream" and "maybe even upstream" oil investment in Iraq. ("Downstream" refers to refining, distribution, and marketing of oil. "Upstream" refers to exploration and production.)

The draft petroleum law adopted Allawi's recommendation that currently producing oil fields are to be developed by Iraq's National Oil Company, while all new fields are opened to private companies using PSAs.

The Bush administration and U.S. oil companies have maintained constant pressure on Iraq to pass the petroleum law. The administration appointed an advisor to the Iraqi government from Bearing Point to support completion of the law. And in July 2006, U.S. Energy Secretary Samuel Bodman announced in Baghdad that oil executives told him that their companies would not enter Iraq without passage of the new oil law. Petroleum Economist magazine later reported that U.S. oil companies considered passage of the new oil law more important than increased security when deciding whether to go into business in Iraq.

The Iraq Study Group, recognizing as it did the primacy of oil in its Iraq calculations, recommended that the U.S. "assist Iraqi leaders to reorganize the national oil industry as a commercial enterprise" and "encourage investment in Iraq's oil sector by the international community and by international energy companies."

Put simply, U.S. oil companies want access to as much of Iraq's oil as they can get and on the best possible terms. The fact that Iraq is a war-ravaged and occupied nation works to the companies' benefit. As a result, the companies and the Bush administration are holding U.S. troops hostage in Iraq until they get what they want. Once the companies get their lucrative contracts, they will still need protection to get to work. What better security force is there than 144,000 American troops? {Following this pattern, we can know understand why the U.S. has not completed medical clinics, re-establish electric service, etc. They are holding the country hostage, with a promise of approve the sale of the oil fields and then these projects will be completed--jk.}

Three days after the release of the Iraq Study Group Report, the al-Maliki government announced that Iraq's oil law was near completion. The law adopts PSAs and not only opens Iraq to private foreign companies, but permits "for the first time-local and international companies to carry out oil exploration in Iraq."

To ensure that this model prevails, the Iraq Study Group recommends that Iraq's constitution be rewritten to give the central government of Iraq-as opposed to individual regions-the ultimate decision-making authority over all of Iraq's developed and undeveloped oil fields.

Standard Oil Company's John D. Rockefeller famously said, "Own nothing, control everything." He would be proud of the U.S. oil companies and the Bush administration, as they seem poised to get exactly the control they want over Iraq's oil.

Beyond Iraq: the U.S.-Middle East Free Trade Area

But the Bush agenda has never been limited to Iraq. As the Wall Street Journal reported in May 2003, "For many conservatives, Iraq is now the test case for whether the U.S. can engender American-style free-market capitalism {neoliberalism} within the Arab world." To this end, the administration has used the "stick" of the Iraq war to convince nations across the Middle East to adopt its free trade agenda. The mechanism for doing so is the president's U.S.-Middle East Free Trade Area (MEFTA).

The corporate lobbying group behind the MEFTA, the aptly named U.S.-Middle East Free Trade Coalition, includes among its 120 members Chevron, ExxonMobil, Bechtel and Halliburton-companies intimately connected to the Bush administration that have already been big winners in Iraq.

Insulated by oil revenue, the Middle East has largely avoided succumbing to the sacrifices required under free trade agreements. But since the war began, negotiations for the MEFTA have progressed rapidly.

The Bush administration devised a unique negotiating strategy for the MEFTA. Rather than negotiate with all of the nations as a bloc, the United States negotiates one-on-one with each country. This means that every nation-some half the size of one state in the United States-must try to make a deal that serves its own interests with the most economically and militarily dominant nation in the world. The reality is that there can be no "negotiation" between such thoroughly unequal pairings.

These individual free trade agreements are then united under the MEFTA. If successful, the MEFTA would be concluded by 2013 and include 20 countries: Algeria, Bahrain, Cyprus, Egypt, Palestine, Iran, Iraq, Israel, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Morocco, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Syria, the United Arab Emirates, Tunisia and Yemen.

To date, the Bush administration has signed 13 Trade and Investment Framework Agreements (TIFAs), which demonstrate a country's commitment to the MEFTA, and are considered the key step towards passage of a full Free Trade Agreement (FTA). Things have moved briskly since the invasion of Iraq. Algeria and Bahrain signed before the war, while agreements with Lebanon (the most recent, signed in December), Tunisia, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Yemen, the United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Egypt, Morocco, Oman and Iraq all followed the war. The United States has signed FTAs with five Middle Eastern countries: Israel, Jordan, Morocco, Bahrain, and Oman. The last three were signed after the 2003 invasion of Iraq. Negotiations with the United Arab Emirates are underway and near completion.

The winners, of course, are U.S. corporations. On January 19, 2006, for example, then-U.S. Trade Representative Robert Portman sent a letter to Oman's minister of commerce and industry affirming that, when it signs contracts, the Omani government may not give preference to the government's state-controlled oil companies. As for Oman's apparel industry, the U.S. International Trade Commission estimates that the U.S.-Oman agreement will lead to a 66 percent increase in U.S. imports of apparel manufactured in Oman. What are the likely effects? In May, a report by the National Labor Committee detailed the cost of the first Middle East trade agreement signed by Bush in December 2001-the U.S.-Jordan FTA. After that agreement was implemented, new factories arrived in Jordan to service American companies, primarily apparel firms such as Wal-Mart, JC Penney, Target and Jones New York. These factories have engaged in the worst kinds of rights violations, including 48-hour shifts without sleep, physical and psychological abuse, and, in the case of imported foreign workers, employers who hold passports and refuse to pay. (Wal-Mart also is a member of the U.S.-Middle East Free Trade Coalition. The Bush administration will spend the next two years aggressively pushing the MEFTA as it seeks to expand the economic invasion of Iraq to the entire region.

What's next?

Throughout his presidency, George W. Bush has claimed that we will live in a safer, more prosperous, and more peaceful world if the United States remains at war and if countries throughout the world change their laws and adopt economic policies that benefit America's largest multinational corporations. The Bush Agenda has proven to have the opposite effect: increasing deadly acts of terrorism and economic insecurity, reducing freedom, and engendering more war. To replace the Bush Agenda, we must address each of its key pillars individually-war, imperialism and corporate globalization.

The most urgent first step is ending the war in Iraq by ending both the military and corporate occupations. We in the peace movement have already made tremendous progress in reaching these ends. Most Americans now oppose the war. The peace movement has welcomed with open arms U.S. soldiers and their families who share this opposition and unity has made us all stronger. Counter-recruitment efforts are blossoming across the country. The U.S. labor movement has joined forces with its counterpart in Iraq. Protests at corporate headquarters and shareholder meetings have led to U.S. war profiteers being called to account for their abuses in Iraq. Our success was made concrete with the dismissal of the president's party from power in both the House and the Senate.

According to "Election 2006: No to Staying the course on Trade," by Public Citizen, 18 House races saw "fair traders" replace "free traders" in the midterm election, and not a single "free trader" beat a fair trade candidate. {Staying the course translates into holding the Iraq nation hostage until they pass PSA-jk.} In every Senate seat that changed hands, a fair trader beat a free trader. One of their most important tasks this year will be to deny Bush the renewal of Fast Track negotiating authority when it expires in July. Fast Track allows the president to move trade bills through Congress quickly by overriding core aspects of the democratic process, such as committee deliberations, full congressional debate and the ability to offer amendments. In addition to the newcomers, several existing allies have been elevated to new positions of power. Rep. Ike Skelton (D-Mo.) is now chairman of the House Armed Services Committee. He has pledged to resurrect the subcommittee on oversight and investigations. Rep. David Obey (D-Wisc.) will use his chairmanship of the House Appropriations Committee to exercise greater oversight of Bush's war spending. The most important ally, however, will likely be Rep. Henry Waxman (D-Calif.), the new chairman of the House Government Reform Committee. Waxman has been one of the most effective and aggressive critics of Halliburton's work in Iraq, greatly contributing to Halliburton's loss of its LOGCAP contract.

Our allies in the new Congress should put forward two key demands:

First, all remaining and future U.S. reconstruction funds must be turned over to Iraqi companies and Iraqi workers. SIGIR found that when Iraqi companies receive contracts (rather than subcontracts from U.S. companies), their work is faster, less expensive and less prone to insurgent attack. There are literally hundreds of both private and public Iraqi companies-and millions of Iraqi workers-ready, able and willing to do this work. U.S. military commanders and soldiers in Iraq have repeatedly made this demand as they have learned firsthand that a person with a clipboard or a shovel in his or her hands is far less likely to carry a gun.

Second, U.S. corporations must not be allowed to "cut and run." Every U.S. corporation with reconstruction contracts in Iraq must be individually audited and each project investigated by SIGIR. Misspent funds must be returned and made available to Iraqis for reconstruction. SIGIR has begun this process with plans for a full audit of Bechtel's work due out early this year. SIGIR needs more staff, greater oversight authority and more money to complete this work in a timely manner.

The Democrats must abandon the Bush administration's plan to remake Iraq into an economic wonderland for U.S. corporations. Iraq must belong to the Iraqis to remake as they see fit. Nowhere is this demand more critical than in the case of Iraq's oil. It is clear that Iraq needs to develop its oil sector to survive and that it needs to retain as much of the proceeds from its oil as possible. It is also clear that it should be the Iraqi public-freed of the external pressure of a foreign occupation, the Bush administration and U.S. corporations-that decides how its oil is developed. U.S. oil corporations cannot be permitted to "win" the war in Iraq while we-Iraqis and Americans-pay the price for their victory.

IMF policy is to sell of the assets of each nation-which was consistent with the Whitehouse plan. From the point of view of Muslim zealots, this Americanization of the Arab world is the greatest immediate threat to their faith. Our presence on their turf and our plans for free trade turns these zealots into freedom fighters--jk.

Read about how neoliberalism brought about the war in Iraq, and the plans to sell off the oil field through our puppet government there.

What we all thought about the cause of the war, oil. However this article ties in international corporations and their wanting to upon up markets with the war. The politicians are not about informing through debate what is going on, but rather about selling their product and making their opponents look bad.

[Sep 16, 2015] U.S. Rejected Offers by Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria to Surrender … and Proceeded to Wage War

"...There's no money in PEACE.."
Sep 16, 2015 | Zero Hedge

Submitted by George Washington on 09/16/2015 00:42 -0400

The Daily Mail reported last year:

A self-selected group of former top military officers, CIA insiders and think-tankers, declared Tuesday in Washington that a seven-month review of the deadly 2012 terrorist attack has determined that [Gaddafi offered to abdicate as leader of Libya.]

'Gaddafi wasn't a good guy, but he was being marginalized,' [Retired Rear Admiral Chuck ] Kubic recalled. 'Gaddafi actually offered to abdicate' shortly after the beginning of a 2011 rebellion.

'But the U.S. ignored his calls for a truce,' the commission wrote, ultimately backing the horse that would later help kill a U.S. ambassador.

Kubic said that the effort at truce talks fell apart when the White House declined to let the Pentagon pursue it seriously.

'We had a leader who had won the Nobel Peace Prize,' Kubic said, 'but who was unwilling to give peace a chance for 72 hours.'

The Washington Times wrote in January:

"I have been contacted by an intermediary in Libya who has indicated that President Muammar Gadhafi is willing to negotiate an end to the conflict under conditions which would seem to favor Administration policy," [former U.S. Congressman Dennis] Kucinich wrote on Aug. 24.

***

Mrs. Clinton ordered a general within the Pentagon to refuse to take a call with Gadhafi's son Seif and other high-level members within the regime, to help negotiate a resolution, the secret recordings reveal.

A day later, on March 18, Gadhafi called for a cease-fire, another action the administration dismissed.

***

"Everything I am getting from the State Department is that they do not care about being part of this. Secretary Clinton does not want to negotiate at all," the Pentagon intelligence asset told Seif Gadhafi and his adviser on the recordings.

Communication was so torn between the Libyan regime and the State Department that they had no point of contact within the department to even communicate whether they were willing to accept the U.N.'s mandates, former Libyan officials said.

***

"The decision to invade [Libya] had already been made, so everything coming out of the State Department at that time was to reinforce that decision," the official explained, speaking only on the condition of anonymity for fear of retribution.

***

"The Libyans would stop all combat operations and withdraw all military forces to the outskirts of the cities and assume a defensive posture. Then to insure the credibility with the international community, the Libyans would accept recipients from the African Union to make sure the truce was honored," Mr. Kubic said, describing the offers.

"[Gadhafi] came back and said he was willing to step down and permit a transition government, but he had two conditions," Mr. Kubic said. "First was to insure there was a military force left over after he left Libya capable to go after al Qaeda. Secondly, he wanted to have the sanctions against him and his family and those loyal to him lifted and free passage. At that point in time, everybody thought that was reasonable."

But not the State Department.

Gen. Ham was ordered to stand down two days after the negotiation began, Mr. Kubic said. The orders were given at the behest of the State Department, according to those familiar with the plan in the Pentagon. Gen. Ham declined to comment when questioned by The Times.

"If their goal was to get Gadhafi out of power, then why not give a 72-hour truce a try?" Mr. Kubic asked. "It wasn't enough to get him out of power; they wanted him dead."

Similarly, Saddam Hussein allegedly offered to let weapons inspectors in the country and to hold new elections. As the Guardian reported in 2003:

In the few weeks before its fall, Iraq's Ba'athist regime made a series of increasingly desperate peace offers to Washington, promising to hold elections and even to allow US troops to search for banned weapons. But the advances were all rejected by the Bush administration, according to intermediaries involved in the talks.

Moreover, Saddam allegedly offered to leave Iraq:

"Fearing defeat, Saddam was prepared to go peacefully in return for £500million ($1billion)".

"The extraordinary offer was revealed yesterday in a transcript of talks in February 2003 between George Bush and the then Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar at the President's Texas ranch."

"The White House refused to comment on the report last night. But, if verified, it is certain to raise questions in Washington and London over whether the costly four-year war could have been averted."

According to the tapes, Bush told Aznar that whether Saddam was still in Iraq or not, "We'll be in Baghdad by the end of March." See also this and this.

Susan Lindauer (after reading an earlier version of this essay by Washington's Blog) wrote:

That's absolutely true about Saddam's frantic officers to retire to a Villa in Tikrit before the invasion. Except he never demanded $1 BILLION (or $500 MILLION). He only asked for a private brigade of the Iraqi National Guard, which he compared to President Clinton's Secret Service detail for life throughout retirement. I know that for a fact, because I myself was the back channel to the Iraqi Embassy at the U.N. in New York, who carried the message to Washington AND the United Nations General Assembly and Security Council. Kofi Annan was very much aware of it. So was Spain's President Asnar. Those historical details were redacted from the history books when George Bush ordered my arrest on the Patriot Act as an "Iraqi Agent"– a political farce with no supporting evidence, except my passionate anti-war activism and urgent warnings that War in Iraq would uncover no WMDs, would fire up a violent and bloody counter-insurgency, and would result in Iran's rise as a regional power. In 2007, the Senate Intelligence Committee hailed my warnings in Jan. 2003 (as the Chief Human Intelligence covering Iraq at the U.N.) to be one of the only bright spots in Pre-War Intelligence. Nevertheless, in 2005 and again in 2008, I was declared "incompetent to stand trial," and threatened with "indefinite detention up to 10 years" on Carswell Air Force Base, in order to protect the cover up of Iraqi Pre-War Intelligence.

(The New York Times has covered Lindauer at least 5 times, including here and here.)

On October 14, 2001, the Taliban offered to hand over Osama bin Laden to a neutral country if the US halted bombing if the Taliban were given evidence of Bin Laden's involvement in 9/11.

Specifically, the Guardian noted in 2001:

Returning to the White House after a weekend at Camp David, the president said the bombing would not stop, unless the ruling Taliban "turn [bin Laden] over, turn his cohorts over, turn any hostages they hold over." He added, "There's no need to discuss innocence or guilt. We know he's guilty" …

Afghanistan's deputy prime minister, Haji Abdul Kabir, told reporters that the Taliban would require evidence that Bin Laden was behind the September 11 terrorist attacks in the US.

"If the Taliban is given evidence that Osama bin Laden is involved" and the bombing campaign stopped, "we would be ready to hand him over to a third country", Mr Kabir added.

However, as the Guardian subsequently pointed out:

A senior Taliban minister has offered a last-minute deal to hand over Osama bin Laden during a secret visit to Islamabad, senior sources in Pakistan told the Guardian last night.

For the first time, the Taliban offered to hand over Bin Laden for trial in a country other than the US without asking to see evidence first in return for a halt to the bombing, a source close to Pakistan's military leadership said.

And the Guardian reports today:

Russia proposed more than three years ago that Syria's president, Bashar al-Assad, could step down as part of a peace deal, according to a senior negotiator involved in back-channel discussions at the time.

Former Finnish president and Nobel peace prize laureate Martti Ahtisaari said western powers failed to seize on the proposal. Since it was made, in 2012, tens of thousands of people have been killed and millions uprooted, causing the world's gravest refugee crisis since the second world war.

Ahtisaari held talks with envoys from the five permanent members of the UN security council in February 2012. He said that during those discussions, the Russian ambassador, Vitaly Churkin, laid out a three-point plan, which included a proposal for Assad to cede power at some point after peace talks had started between the regime and the opposition.

But he said that the US, Britain and France were so convinced that the Syrian dictator was about to fall, they ignored the proposal.

***

"There was no question because I went back and asked him a second time," he said, noting that Churkin had just returned from a trip to Moscow and there seemed little doubt he was raising the proposal on behalf of the Kremlin.

Ahtisaari said he passed on the message to the American, British and French missions at the UN, but he said: "Nothing happened because I think all these, and many others, were convinced that Assad would be thrown out of office in a few weeks so there was no need to do anything."

Similarly, Bloomberg reported in 2012:

As Syria slides toward civil war, Russia is signaling that it no longer views President Bashar al-Assad's position as tenable and is working with the U.S. to seek an orderly transition.

***

After meeting with French President Francois Hollande, among the most adamant of Western leaders demanding Assad's departure, Putin said Russia was not invested in Assad staying.

***

"We aren't for Assad or for his opponents," Putin told reporters in Paris on June 1. "We want to achieve a situation in which violence ends and a full-scale civil war is avoided."

And yet, as with Gaddaffi, Saddam Hussein and Bin Laden, the U.S. turned down the offer and has instead prosecuted war. See this and this.

Postscript: An offer by Russia for Assad to leave is not the same as an offer by Assad himself. However, because the Syrian government would have long ago fallen without Russia's help, the distinction is not really that meaningful.

demur

What the USSA is doing is pure evil. At least Germany had a logical reason for aggressions. The treaty of Versailles unfairly took German lands. Germany wanted them back. It wasn't till Poland resisted that Germany let loose.

The USSA destroys leaders seeking a truce and does so in the name of peace. Then it rams its immoral, family destroying sterilizing geo-political socio economic system down traditional pious soverigns throats.

sidiji

so this make us what? the evil emipire? officially the bad guys?

honestann

I don't call them the predators-that-be for nothing.

Sudden Debt

Why did we go to war in the first place?

War industry, they run shit.

And sure they did it so they could steal all the money in the world.

That's why we're broke and half the world is at war.

That can never be ended.

tstraus

This is far from a new phenomena, we did the same against Spain until we took the Philippines, Wilson and House were against a settlement of the then still European War until the US had shed its blood on European soil, which clearly would have resulted in a pre-hostilities border settlement and maintained political structures instead of unconditional surrender.

All the blood, misery and human carnage that could have been subsequently avoided had we just stuck to the principles of the nations founders.

But capital requires war, war for profits, war to cull excess supply of capital, war to rebuild and war to dominate.

Power and money forged with American myth has been a potent mixture that directly and indirectly has murdered 100's of millions of innocent lives. And we are to destroy the cultural heritage of nations because one boy died on the beaches escaping a war that we initiated and fostered?

yellowsub

"War is Peace", why do you think they didn't negotiate?

Turdy Brown

Admiral Kubic is a good friend of mine. I was in Libya and Afghanistan with him. He is one of the smartest, bravest men that I have ever met.

In fact a quick story about him. We were both working on a project at the US Embassy in Kabul in 2011. I had just landed in the morning and as soon as I got to the Embassy, a group of Taliban started lobbing rocket towards the Embassy. Anyhow, it was a 24 hour ordeal but Kubic was the only person that I saw that grabbed an AK from a Ghurka guard (btw Ghurkas are cowards!), and rushed towards the attackers! Most people, including security personell were running away from the fire. Not Kubic: he was charging the Taliban! Never seen anything like it in my life!

I also have personal knowledge of what he has said in this article. ALL TRUE!

pFXTim

wouldn't be the first time...

Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz, Commander in Chief of the Pacific Fleet stated in a public address given at the Washington Monument on October 5, 1945:

The Japanese had, in fact, already sued for peace before the atomic age was announced to the world with the destruction of Hiroshima and before the Russian entry into the war. (See p. 329, Chapter 26) . . . [Nimitz also stated: "The atomic bomb played no decisive part, from a purely military standpoint, in the defeat of Japan. . . ."]

http://www.doug-long.com/guide1.htm

somewhat different than the widely accepted official narrative.

SUNKNIGHT2010

Saddam Hussein switched from using the US dollar to the euro in selling Iraqi oil. The same with Libya, they were friends with the USA until plans were established to set up a currency (Dinar) backed by gold .for the USA's economy to survive, it MUST maintain world currency reserve status --

ANYTHING that threatens this position WILL be neutralized, irregardless of what it takes -- When Iraq started selling oil using the euro, Saddam Hussein signed his death warrant, as did Libya -- The true reason for all this conflict is to maintain & support the US dollar & economy, namely all the wealthy of Wall Street & Washington DC .

But for some weird reason ALOT of people here seem to think Israel is responsible for everything bad that has or will ever happen !

Sad how in 2015 , people are still so racist -- How far humanity has advanced in technology but how primitive an foolish the human race still is in MANY ways !

Reaper

There is glory in military victories. Exceptional trained sheeple die for that glory. Does the sheeple's god reward them for their stupidity? Do the gods praise as exceptional those whom they'll destroy?

11b40

Wall Street controls Washington.

Who controls Wall Street?

(if you don't know, I'm sure someone here could help you find out)

Motasaurus

London controls Wall Street. And Riyadh. And Tel-Aviv. Not England, London. And the Bankers who control that city, control the world.

RagnarRedux

Yep, sounds just like ethno-oligarch subverted Western nations, nothing has changed.

What the World Rejected

Hitler's Peace Offers, 1933- 1939

http://ihr.org/other/what-the-world-rejected.html

http://www.tomatobubble.com/id570.html

BullyBearish

There's no money in PEACE..

Max Steel

Why is the West reporting this NOW? It is a negotiating ploy. They know they have lost. Now they are trying to see if this old offer could still be put on the table.

silverer

No, the US leadership is a bunch of sore losers. That's what US voters wanted, prayed for, hoped for, and then mandated with an election. US leaders can't admit defeat, so next is probably a nuclear escalation, because they've convinced themselves that they have dug their protection deep enough into a number of mountains at taxpayer expense so that they will win and then survive.

In Russia, they built billions of dollars worth of fallout shelters over the last 20 years for the ordinary Russian. Every citizen in Moscow is within three minutes of a fallout shelter. The Russian leadership knows the US leadership better than the US voters do. In the US, they haven't built anything at all to protect the general population, and apparently consider everyone expendable.

This way, if the US calls it all wrong and totally screws it up, they won't have to answer to anyone who voted for them when they walk out of their fallout shelters a year after it's all over.


OpTwoMistic

Do not confuse America with its leadership.

Motasaurus

So long as the leadership remains in power and not dangling by their necks from the White House balcony, America and the leadership are the same.

SmittyinLA

The US didn't want an election, Kaddaffi would have won, he was loved by his people, Libyans wouldn't vote for their own liquidation, Libya had the highest living standards in Africa, Libyan citizenship was a valuable commodity -- like US citizenship.

Libya was looted in an international war crime.

To Hell In A Handbasket

Looted is the understatement of the year.

The narrative by the MSM was Gaddaffi is a dictator and the people need freedom and democracy. What the MSM ommitted was a background history of the country, Libya's achievments under Gaddaffi vs the total plunder of Libya under our puppet leader King Idris(who was overthrown by Gaddaffi), who were the Libyian National Transitional Council (NTC), what was the price of French(NATO) intervention for the treasonous (NTC)? (Mining rights to 35% of Libya's hydro carbons)

On 3 April a letter was sent by Libya's National Transitional Council (NTC) to a coalition partner, Qatari Emir Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa Al Thani, which mentioned that France would take "35 percent of crude oil...in exchange for its total and permanent support" of the NTC. France's Liberation daily reported on Thursday that it had a copy of the letter, which stated that the NTC's Information Minister Mahmoud Shammam, would negotiate the deal with France. In 2010 France was the second purchaser of Libyan oil after Italy, with over 15 percent of its "oil" imported from Tripoli.

But that's not all as we must apply logic. Who was the first country to recognise the NTC? Which was the only country Gaddaffi broke off diplomatic ties? Which country was the first to bomb? The answer is France, to all 3 of those questions, but there is more the MSM avoided talking about and the biggest mystery is WHERE IS LIBYA'S 148 METRIC TONNS OF GOLD? Western leaders are not interested in peace, but in conquest and plunder for their paymasters.. Even the doubters who believed in freedom and humanitarian intervention, had to sit up, pause and think, when the NTC before they had even reached Trippoli and was losing the ground offensive, created their own central bank that was recognised by the NATO coalition inside of 2 days.. Case closed.

OpenThePodBayDoorHAL

Gaddafi had loaned Unicredito multiple billions in 2009 and they didn't feel like paying it back. Follow the money.

Bankster Kibble

We don't trust elections in our client states. When the Iraqis had their first election after the fall of Saddam, they elected some mullah we didn't like so we made them hold another election. "Do it again until you do it right!"

rsnoble

There's no profit in peace. Or not nearly as much I should say. A little dribble just won't cut it, steal the whole fucking enchilada at once. Get to test weapons. Get to play with cool toys like drones. See people get blown to pieces for the sick-minded. Move closer to world domination, etc. All ideas of crazy people. The only problem is, since this is human nature, if the US wasn't doing it or preventing others, would others step in with the same crazy ass plan? I would venture to guess yes.

GRDguy

Whatever is of benefit to peaceful citizens is not profitable to the financial sociopaths. Hence, fighting increases. Your real enemy hides in financial institutions, surrounded by minions and voracious lawyers.

BurnUnit

Do you think the white collar crime of Wall Steet and the Federal Reserve is bad ?

For more crimes against humanity go to www.firecrusade.com and see Free Document page and click link A Crime Against Humanity

The very gov agencies that are supposed to be protecting the public from dangers of fire and hazardous products, CPSC and NFPA as well as the non gov testing facility UL which often tests products on the governments behalf, have been covering up a deadly conspiracy to commit fraud that has resulted in the deaths of 10's of 1000's and horrible, often times, disfiguring injuries of 100's of 1000's of unsuspecting consumers over last 5 decades.

These agencies have all been in the back pocket of ionized alarm manufactures for over 50 years , which was exposed back in 1976 by a Fire Protection Engineer, Richard Patton. Mr. Patton revealed that the government funded Dunes Test which tested smoke alarms, was not only rigged so ionized alarms would pass the smoldering smoke stage of test but the data was falsified so that ionized detectors could keep the UL stamp of approval, while the superior, safer and more reliable heat detector technologies were deliberately set up to fail the tests.

With each day that passes and the CSPC fails to make a mandatory recall of ion alarms , many more victims will either be killed and or suffer serious injuries as the ionized alarm manufactures flooded the market with ion alarms and it is estimated that over 90% of all homes and habitable structures have these deadly devices, providing the public with a false sense of security.

Buyer beware -- These deaths and injuries have been and are preventable, as the safer more reliable photoelectric / heat smoke alarms have been available for over 40 years. The ion manufactures are fully aware of the problem and have been sued multiple times and paid $10's of millions in damages and the UL has been sued as well. Manufactures, in one lawsuit back in 2001 were ordered to provide disclosure on ion alarm packaging which ended up being a watered down disclosure / recommendation to use both photoelectric and ionized alarms. Being ion alarms are less expensive and majority of consumers do not read fine print on packaging which omits the actual dangers / death / injury factors, consumers assume a smoke detector is a smoke detector, and most people still opt to buy the less expensive and dangerous ion alarms.

Most everyone you know is at risk and should be made aware of these deadly devices as the government agencies will continue to cover up the fraud from the public until such a time a civil lawsuit and verdict is reached to force CPSC to execute a mandatory recall which could take several years. Please post this message on your facebook and twitter sites and forward to as many others as possible. More information and 60 minutes segment / news videos that have covered this issue can be found on www.smokealarmwarning.org

rwe2late

and in Ukraine,

Poroshenko (the elected guy who didn't want the IMF-NATO offer for Ukraine),

had agreed in a EU brokered deal to hold early elections and step down.

Guess who said "Fuck the EU" and instead backed a coup by jackbooted jingoists?

rwe2late

nor should we forget the US-led attack on Yugoslavia, in complete violation of the UN charter, a devastating bombing campaign destroying the civilian infrastructure, done with the hypocritical alleged motive to prevent "human rights violations".

In that case, Yugoslavia's refusal to accept a non-negotiable ultimatum to surrender sovereignty of its territory (Kosovo) to the Mafia-run KLA was falsely depicted as Yugoslavia's refusal to negotiate.

http://www.iacenter.org/warcrime/22_rambo.htm

http://iacenter.org/warcrime/2_kla.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Kosovo

Sandmann

Now Turkey destabilises Western Europe by funnelling refugees into the EU in an invasion force. Germany takes in 1,000,000 in 2015 which exceeds its own birth rate. Won't be long before Europe disintegrates into civil war and regional conflicts like so much of its history. Soon the US will have created global chaos and it will not be able to restore order anywhere because it dare not put "boots on the ground" and it will need 4-5 million soldiers to restore order the way things are going.

When the Ukrainian refugees start towards Western Europe it should be clear the EU has destroyed peace in Europe for generations

SgtShaftoe

It seems that the US "leaders" have made it a game to violate every law of the Geneva conventions.

A. Bean-Counter

All those kids who were taking, like, loads of drugs in the '70's, those kids are now running US foreign policy - and still taking the drugs.

SixIsNinE

the "kids" who Turned On went into music, computing, design, family, travel, and more ...

but yeah, those alcoholic kids did go on to run foreign policy, i give you that ...

mc225

...coke heads too, but less likely the potheads...

Usurious

Global Geopolitical Chessboard:
Psychopathic Players and Cynical Moves
Guarantee a Future of Perpetual War "From the Black Sea to the Baltic"

Explosive Presentation Hosted by the Chicago Council on Global Affairs Reveals

What No Government Official, No Political Representative, No NGO Executive

and No Think Tank Director Has Ever Said Before in Public

http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=22223

rita

When will the American people demand that Cheney, Bush Hillary and Obama face justice for war crimes committed against humanity. Hopefully in 2016 Americans remember the crimes these people have committed and vote for somehing with not such a past.

Pancho de Villa

Are you Dreaming Amigo? Los Gringos will Never admit what they Refuse to Believe! Bush and Cheney will go to their graves as Heroes in their eyes! Otherwise Intelligent Peoples Refuse to Entertain what They Consider to be "Treasonous" Notions. I have Three Brother-in-Laws that work in Govt Related Fields. I get along with them all just fine now that I have learned what Topics to Avoid in Conversation!

Buen Suenos, Amigo

aleph0

http://libyasos.blogspot.de/p/gaddafi.html

With the discovery of oil in Libya in 1959, a very poor desert country became a very rich little western protectorate. US and European companies had huge stakes in the extremely lucrative petroleum and banking sectors, but these were soon nationalized by Gaddafi. Thus Libya overnightjoined the list of US 'enemy' or 'rogue' states that sought autonomy and self-determination outside the expanding sphere of western Empire. Further cementing western hatred of the new regime, Libya played a leading role of the 1973 oil embargo against the US and maintained cooperative relations with the Soviet Union. Gaddafi also reportedly channeled early oil wealth into national free health care and education.

Life in Libya with Leader Gaddafi:

1. Electricity for household use is free,

2. interest-free loans

3. during the study, government give to every student 2 300 dolars/month

4. receives the average salary for this profession if you do not find a job after graduation,

5. the state has paid for to work in the profession,

6. every unemployed person receives social assistance 15,000 $/year,

7. for marriage state pays first apartment or house (150m2),

8. buying cars at factory prices,

9. LIBYA not owe anyone a cent,

10. free higher education abroad,

11. 25% of highly educated,

12. 40 loaves of bread costs $ 0.15,

13. water in the middle of the desert, drinking water,

14. 8 dinars per liter of oil (0.08 EUR),

15. 6% poor people,

16. for each infant, the couple received $ 5,000 for their needs.

etc.
etc.

sleigher

"9. LIBYA not owe anyone a cent,"

That's the problem right there...

SixIsNinE

and i didn't see any mention of the golden Squid in the article, so more obfuscation still ....

HamRove

Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Karl Rove, Paul Wolfowitz, Bill Kristol, and Condoleeza Rice among many others all need to spend a better portion of their earthly existence in an 8x8 cell watching the rest of us enjoying their sudden departure.

steelhead23

That's a rather incomplete list, but it's a start.

f16hoser

Don't forget Blair...

Motasaurus

What's that? The UK and their US and NATO puppets weren't at all interested in peaceful solutions to the middle-east conflicts? It's almost exactly like the way Israel targetted assasinations against the moderate Palistinian politicians for the express purpose of making the radicals powerful, meaning that no peace would be possible.

One would think that the aim has been to kill as many people as possible, and not regime change at all.

TheRideNeverEnds

Yes that and in many of these countries in the end its all about the physical gold they hold, a new leader doesn't matter we need to go there kill whoever and take their shit.

Saddam had lots and lots of gold, I think Ghadaffi had more.

Many of these places we end up going had loads of gold all of which now belongs to us aka the west aka the bankers aka the tribe. So in the end maybe we are all doing gods work just by being part of that system.

HowdyDoody

We also had to get the results of the effects of nukes on undamaged cities and their inhabitants - a magnificently evil medical experiment.

[Sep 15, 2015] After winning his prize, Malcolm Turnbull must learn from Abbott's mistakes by Gabrielle Chan

Sep 15, 2015 | The Guardian


NewmanOldjoke darthseditious1969 14 Sep 2015 20:53

Abbott loaded up Turnbull with a poisoned chalice. Seriously, infrastructure of the NBN's scale was never going to be straightforward, with Telstra's hard ass obstructionism thrown in..Still, the pollies wanted to politicise it, and Rupert's self-interested media style never gave them any choice.

When you step back, political vanity, fear of Rupert, and individualist ambition ruined the Libs on two really important issues in the ETS and the NBN. If they'd had the wit to be bipartisan both would be non-issues that would have fed a lot of positives back into their own interests and the community. But they chose to see short-termist wedge opportunity and failed to see Rupert's and his mates self-interest was whipping them. Outfoxed by Fox, so to speak.

I doubt whether they will have the self-awareness to rue their binding to the IPA and Murdoch, but they ought to. Maybe in a decade. The malignant interest of old men's corporate internal power struggles has screwed the Libs out of so many options.


Cdaler77 14 Sep 2015 20:35

Turnbull just needs to be "not Abbott".

Be consultative with his colleagues AND the Australian people.
Abbott was constantly at war with both. That's no way to be a Prime Minister.

Stop being under the thumb of Murdoch and Stokes, and simply refuse to go on any shock jock's TV or radio shows. Tell Bolt, Hadley, Jones and all the others to just get stuffed.
The way Scott Morrison sucks up to Ray Hadley is simply sickening and unbecoming of a Minister of the Government. He should stop it now.

Just never, ever, treat the Australian people with the contempt that Abbott has shown us over the years. That he (Abbott) has gone is one of the best things that has happened. Now hopefully we can all settle down and put the toxic era of Rudd/Gillard/Rudd/Abbott behind us.

I say this as a Labor supporter. I know it may mean Labor doesn't win the next election, but I'm so relieved Abbott is gone. He was a very dangerous man for our country in these troubled times. Hopefully now cooler heads will prevail on both sides.


ukchange68 14 Sep 2015 20:14

Abbott gone - tick
Cameron - work in progress
Obama - work in progress
Getting there...............

JemFinch1 BSchwartz 14 Sep 2015 20:11

He is a truculent, spoiled, entitled child. Yes, his speech will have to be written for him, but he is the goose who has to deliver it, and no doubt he will stuff that up too.

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

I know the Libs are still in power, but maybe now we can actually have some intelligent debate, some thought out policies, and Labor will have to lift their game - Tones won't be kicking any more home goals.


darthseditious1969 -> smudge10 14 Sep 2015 20:06

I get a distinct impression that Turnbull holds Murdoch in contempt. Which might be a good thing.


BSchwartz 14 Sep 2015 19:49

No one likes losing. But it is expected that you rock up, thank your supporters, reflect on your achievements, and either which the victor all the best or to rot in hell.
Abbott's failure to appear after losing the ballot reminds us of why his leadership failed.

He was an adrenaline junky, always aggressive, never reflective, never gracious.

He also was a hopeless thinker, unable to react to changing circumstance, never able to speak in more than soundbites.

Someone will have written a speech for him overnight. He is incapable. History will not be kind.


long_memory 14 Sep 2015 19:11

Great that Australia's experiment of having a Abbott fascist government has come to an end.

"Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:
1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.
6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions. 9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections."
http://www.rense.com/general37/fascism.htm

thegarlicfarmer 14 Sep 2015 19:02

There will be short-lived honeymoon - then this elitist self interested man will be shown to what he is - same as Abbott in that he will serve his masters - the wealthy, multi-nationals et al. He has no regard to the common man/woman as he does not understand them. He has no moral compass - as long as he has power then all is ok. Supposedly a knowledgeable man on the NBN - look what has happened to that under his watch! Remember his foray as leader before? How we forget so quickly! He allowed a lowly public servant to hoodwink him - so that is the type of Prime Minister we have. HE HAS NO INTEREST BUT IN HIMSELF. Where oh where are the leaders who will take this great country forward - there is none in any of the political elite that play in Canberra these day? It will not happen in my lifetime but I live in hope that the generation y etc. will take the baton and run with it.


Abel Adamski Friarbird 14 Sep 2015 18:45

A cartoon that is a epitaph
https://broelman.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/broelman-sept-11.jpg
Note the wording on the shirt
However we as a Nation and It's government score a substantial mention in an article that raises many very important issues
http://robertscribbler.com/2015/09/10/new-study-risk-of-significant-methane-release-from-east-siberian-arctic-shelf-still-growing/

Can Malcolm get some reality into the Global Warming issue before it becomes an absolute disaster, positive feedbacks are kicking in


Philip Emery 14 Sep 2015 18:42

Turnbull is to be commended on flushing the toilet and getting rid of the big turd wallowing in the bottom of the bowl. Now it is to be hoped he scrapes the encrusted shit of the sides and actually has a go at governing. And Malcolm remember you're there to govern, not rule.


Warren Peece 14 Sep 2015 18:28

I hereby christen Abbott: Two Turd (as in 2/3) Tony, he did manage 2 of a possible 3 years, after all.


Friarbird 14 Sep 2015 18:18

Abbott was a museum exhibit, a blundering politician from an earlier age and narrow culture. He would have been quite at home in the clerical fascist regimes of Europe in the 1920's-40's, in which obedience to authority was counted the primary virtue.

Sitting at the knee of the prominent Catholic reactionary, BA Santamaria, he absorbed the 'values' of these regimes. They never left him. Consequently, he had real difficulty adapting to the democratic Westminster System and appeared baffled when it raised obstacles in his path. Government, it seemed, should act as a Prime Minister directs. He seemed to have little patience or understanding of the separation of powers doctrine and often sought to circumvent it, sometimes by ignoring it altogether, or by ludicrous 'captain's picks' which exhibited his often risible rash judgement. He had little imagination and lacked even the trademark fancy footwork associated with politicians--picking up and using the ideas of others. Significantly, his most striking 'success' was the dismantling of Labor's work. No politician of 'calibre' would wish to be thus remembered. Australia is well shot of him.


RalphFilthy 14 Sep 2015 18:16


F**k you Abbott.

Goodbye.

Some departing amusement (safe for work - not safe for conservatives)

Tony Abbott vs Tony Abbott


Saltyandthepretz Talwyn224 14 Sep 2015 18:14

"The worst prime minister in Australian political history"
That is how he will be remembered. This is a very harsh, damning label (he is human and this course of events is enough to rock anyone) but his policies, his lies and his actions have led him to the inevitable.


Saltyandthepretz markdeux 14 Sep 2015 17:55

This last act of hiding seals Abbott's fate as the worst Prime Minister in the history of Australian politics. He wanted to be known as the "infrastructure Prime Minister" but words and actions can be two completely different things, thus he will be remembered as the "incompetent Prime Minister".


Bearmuchly OnceWasAus 14 Sep 2015 17:55

"not Americas bitches which the LNP have become"...............

Not disagreeing with the sentiment, however...........

a. The ALP seem no less beholden to US foreign policy

b. We've moved beyond National boundaries/nation states

........Murdoch represents global corporatisation, they know no boundaries, the world is their play pen and sovereign Govt's. , when not in their pockets, just get in the way.


dipole 14 Sep 2015 17:43

I'm conflicted.

Tony Abbott is, without doubt, the worst Australian PM in living memory.
Being as thick as two bricks, he was completely out of his depth.
So showing this anti-science climate change denier the door is a good thing.

But I was also looking forward to the complete trouncing the LNP were going to get at the next election. With Abbott as PM, he would have become the first one term PM in a very long time.

Now Labor have to fight for the next election.
Which is also a very good thing.

Turnbull needs to state publically that climate change is real, and we have an obligation to combat it. He needs to state that he is pro-science, and pro-alternative energy. He needs to remove the priests from the nations schools. And he needs to fix the NBN, so we have something worth using.

That will prove he is nothing like Abbott.


Simon Thompson Penfisher 14 Sep 2015 17:42

I am sure that someone will be able to point out the flaws in this suggestion, but here we go. The problem I see with representational government is that we elect the people whose lies we believe the most (or whose lies we'd like to believe the most).

Whilst ever we delegate responsibility for decision-making to professional liars we will forever be complaining that we elected A, promised to do B, only to end up with legislation C. The Swiss have a form of government which includes a plebiscite where the public vote directly on the issues.

I can see the first problem (in California) which is when the public votes for BOTH no increase in revenue / no increase in taxes AND an increase in expenditure. Maybe any expenditure has to include in the bill where the revenue is raised from? Meantime, our representational system of democracy which I consider CORPOCRACY (the best government that money can buy) will continue to plague us with paid-off pollies whose main job, as I said elsewhere is to get re-elected. Job #1 get elected. Job #2 get re-elected. Job #3 get to form government .. rinse and repeat. We can all see how the piper calls the tune and the biggest campaign donors and lobbyists get the government policy they want. Would plebiscites be able to be made to work in Australia? Would it deliver a better form of government?


Raymond Hall 14 Sep 2015 17:42

The miserable coward that Abbott has always been was on show last night. No show. From the most divisive, bullying and mean man ever to grace the position of PM, Abbott has thankfully been shown the door. Turnbull will be an improvement. How much an improvement only time will tell. But the real essence is that the LNP are damaged beyond repair, and only when the far right neo-cons fade away, will they ever be a real force again.

Anthony Forsyth 14 Sep 2015 17:38

Bye bye, Tone. A gutless ideologue who bullied his way to a job that was far beyond his ability. You won't be missed.

Mr Turbull no doubt believes this signals the end of the neo-cons and ushers in a glorious era for neoliberalism again. Can't imagine how he will govern his conservative apparatchiks from the centre.

The world is moving toward a new era with a new kind of socialism at the forefront. Corbyn elected as leader of the Labour Party in the UK, Sanders gaining traction in the U.S.

Expect Australia to be 5 steps behind yet again.


WitlessNall 14 Sep 2015 17:09

Can someone please tell Rupert Murdoch Australia isn't his little kingdom anymore?

Yeah you better remember that ScoMo next time you want to remind us what a puppet you are ...


markdeux 14 Sep 2015 17:08

Where was Abbott last night. A gutless mean spirited low life who did not have the courage to face the cameras after being dumped by some of his party. How long before the neo's are out to destroy Mal?

Rudd's actions after being dumped will look like a kiddies party compared to what is going to happen. Bets are on that Cory the enlightened one will be the first thug to attack. This is going to be fun.


Falcopilot Marleyman 14 Sep 2015 16:54

I always TRY to look on peoples best sides, but unfortunately the facts back you up all the way, so I reluctantly concur with your assessment!
Abbott was a truly sad excuse for a humane being, and I always think of his party as the "mean and nasty party"!
Abbott's legacy is not going to look in the history books at all, he is/was a dismal failure, not unlike Bush V2.0 and that real weirdo Blair!
What is it that enables all the sociopaths/weirdo's/damaged people to get into power?
The politician's job description seems to attract a lot of the "wrong type of people", not unlike flies and maggots to a bad smell.
I am very hopeful that Malcolm CAN successfully polish that turd, because the political "system" does not work very with only one viable party/choice!
I think both parties need regular major shake ups to smarten them up and make them hungry, and to top them becoming ever more disfunctional.


GiveMyCountryBack 14 Sep 2015 16:38

Will Dumb-Dumb even go to work today? It might all be a bit too much for the petal.

Looking forward to when the Labor address a question to the PM, Malcontent, that reference Ten Flags. Good times.


GiveMyCountryBack BobRafto 14 Sep 2015 16:36

Yep. They need to start hammering him on this stuff. He came out and said 'you can vote for me, I'm not Dumb-Dumb', but hasn't demonstrated any desire for different policies.

He's fucked. The party hate him. Heaps of their rabid voter base hate him. People generally dislike 'wankers' and there's no doubt that the slick delivery of Malcontent will leave people with the impression that he is just that.

Just another smug merchant banker. Treat him accordingly.


dga1948 14 Sep 2015 16:32

He may be a Turd rolled in glitter but remember comrade, you can't polish a Turd and this Turd has demonstrated on more occasions then I can remember that he is prepared to abandon any principle in pursuit of power.


Marleyman 14 Sep 2015 16:23

Good riddance to Abbott a true turd amongst a big steaming pile. He was a nasty vile ideological religious zealot driven by fear prejudice and backward dark aged thinking. Can Turnbull polish this turd ? I doubt it..the grassroots fascists remain behind the scenes spreading their stupid philosophy


blarneybanana scott_skelton 14 Sep 2015 16:09

I'm NOT a Labor supporter, and he exceeded our wildest imaginings.

Picking a fight with CHina, Russia and Indonesia SIMULTANEOUSLY?! That's the kind of things that books are plotted around.
Attacking a wheelchair bound war hero? (well, tried to)


blarneybanana gudzwabofer 14 Sep 2015 16:04

Yes, and no. Putin is judo, and I know thru personal and rather brutal experience they don't hand those things out in cornflakes packets. I'm pretty sure Tony might have started things by a bit of wall punching and wheelchair kicking, but it would have ended with Vlad making a suppository out of the red togs.
The suppository of all Tony's wisdom?


blarneybanana 14 Sep 2015 15:19

Somehow, I doubt he will physically threaten a major world leader (who could perfectly well defend himself by strangling TA with his own budgie smugglers), pick an unwinnable series of fights with our major trading partners, or TRY TO ATTACK A WAR HERO IN A WHEEL CHAIR


OldTrombone 14 Sep 2015 14:26

It wasn't Abbott who made the mistakes - it was the Australian voters who made the massive mistake.

Everyone but everyone KNEW Abbott was like this, and they knew he was going to do what he did. They didn't "hold their nose" to vote for him, they held their testes! WRONG!


Mike Scrafton RJHanley 14 Sep 2015 13:53

Well that's politics. Did you expect anything better?

There are no politicians who can lie straight in bed and who get into Cabinet.

Hypocrisy and compromised principles , deceit and deception, are the qualities that get you into the Ministry - undeserved self regard, hubris and a messiah complex are what gets you into the PM's job. They are all the same. I hope you're not disappointed!

Abbott lied about a great many things. Sadly Abbott wasn't a psycho but just ill equipped for a job he didn't understand. Also he wasn't an outlier on the bell curve of politicians.

However from this point on it is what Turnbull does as PM that's important. I don't really care what he believes only the policies he enacts or if he's sincere when he fixes the country. I just hope he does!

I await the result.


TheCorporateClass PeterOfPlumpton 14 Sep 2015 13:44

relentlessly promoted by Murdoch, which shows how little he actually knows about politics and government.

= NOTHING the man is a deluded psycho in every way.

My feelings on R. Murdoch and his involvement in Australian politics and his Twittering garbage are summarized here fwiw :
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/sep/13/tony-abbott-expected-to-face-liberal-leadership-challenge-within-months#comment-59399171

BilltheDill -> RJHanley 14 Sep 2015 13:44

In politics, FUCKIN' HYPOCRITE = politician.

They all lie about where there loyalties lie, and I think most of the electorate expect that, and accept it.

What the electorate will not accept is a leader who tells you what he will absolutely not do, and then announce within a matter of weeks that circumstances have changed, and he now will do it.

Not to mention all the other broken promises, and lies.

To pledge allegiance to a party leader is just politics. To make pledges to the electorate only to backpedal on most of them, falls into another category altogether, and it creates within the electorate a mistrust and anger that cannot be satiated by anything other than failure and humiliation. Mr Abbot reaped what he sewed.

TheCorporateClass -> Letschat 14 Sep 2015 13:39

Like most bullies, Abbott is a coward. Yes, and in spades!

I hope his party is grateful.

They bloody well better be, or they will burn to ashes within a year.
Any chance that ALL those 100 Liberals could put ALL OF Australia's people first, for just a year?


BilltheDill SENTINEL48 14 Sep 2015 13:36

Indeed, he has been Tony Abbott, but he has also made many mistakes, most of which stem from not holding his word and being a man of truth.

To put it bluntly, he lied to the Australian people on too many occasions, and about too many important matters. That was his political mistake. The rest of it is just his personality.

SENTINEL48 14 Sep 2015 13:14

Tony Abbott didn't make mistakes . He was just Tony Abbott .


scott_skelton BaldwinP 14 Sep 2015 13:12

We all knew that Abbott was a wingnut, but TBH I've been surprised by the depth of his incompetence, and I'm a Labor supporter.


Letschat 14 Sep 2015 12:13

Like most bullies, Abbott is a coward. Of course he hasn't fronted the media. He is absolutely no loss to politics in this country. We can only hope that they take the Abbott game book and flush it down the toilet where it belongs. He can take his destructive fascist tactics with him as he walks out the door and we slam it shut behind him.

There is no question that Malcolm Turnbull understands what the electorate is so bloody angry about. Now the party has to deliver. Whether they can or will remains to be seen. Their is more wrong with the current government that the incompetent leadership. They have a problem of culture with shameless rorting lying and corrupt practice.Turnbull has certainly set himself a challenge. I hope his party is grateful.


Talwyn224 14 Sep 2015 11:04

The worst prime minister in Australian political history thus far has been shown the door and not a moment too soon.

An epitaph:
Tony Abbott - Promoted beyond the level of his incompetence

[Sep 15, 2015] Corbyn The Day After

"I am delighted to see the Blairites and Brownites routed so comprehensively"

Sep 12, 2015 | naked capitalism

It will be interesting to see if Corbyn's leadership victory in the UK presages a Sanders victory in our own 2016 Presidential primary. Despite projecting American politics onto British politics throughout this piece, I have no idea! Working in favor of this view: Political structures where tiny oligarchies rule, and voters matter only when they want what oligarchs want, seems almost universal world-wide. So, if you want a majority of the votes, run against the oligarchy, and if you want to split or tame the oligarchy, make that majority a super-majority, with cadres ready to do more than vote. Sanders seems to take this view, as does Corbyn. How that will play out globally, nation by nation, state by state, and precinct by precinct, I have no idea, and a Trump can tap into class resentment just as well as a Sanders.[3] We live in interesting times.

ambrit September 13, 2015 at 7:11 pm

Where's the similar juxtaposition for Sanders? Sanders needs to ramp up the class conflict meme right now. This kind of 'counter culture' identity politics takes time to be established. Sanders might not realize yet how powerful a message he has available to him. I do hope Sanders has some campaign aparatchiks over in England learning Corbyns' methods.

m-ga September 13, 2015 at 12:48 pm

For those who aren't aware, a central plank of Corbyn's campaign is economic. He wants to set up a an investment bank, funded by quantitative easing. This policy is being referred to as "people's quantitative easing".

It's been developed in part by a UK accountant called Richard Murphy, whose weblog you can read here:

http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/

As far as I can tell, this would be have a very similar effect to Keynesian stimulus.

The way it's being sold is that QE was used to bail out the British banks following 2008. Of course, the 2008 QE was OK with the Conservatives, and with old New Labour. So, why not use the same mechanism again, but instead of giving the cash to the banks, use it to set up an Investment Bank which will fund infrastructure.

Uahsenaa September 13, 2015 at 5:41 pm

[I]t's very unlikely to fly with either the parliamentary Labour party, the wider Labour party membership, or the UK public

Then the real question is what happens at the constituency party level. Refuseniks may go on and on about how the sky is falling and they'll never be in power again, but if Corbyn supporters, who seem to represent a real ground swell, can exercise their voice at the constituency level to make clear that if the Blairites stick to their neoliberal [non]principles then they will likely face deselection (just like with primary challenges here in the US), then the mostly careerists among the "modernizers" will see that at least appearing to support Corbyn's platform will be in their own best interests. After all, wouldn't that be, I dunno, democratic?

m-ga September 13, 2015 at 6:27 pm

The strategy so far has been to be to avoid any talk of deselection, and bring as many former Blairites into the fold as possible:

http://www.jeremyforlabour.com/unity
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/aug/01/jeremy-corbyn-call-party-unity-after-warning-rival-andy-burnham

But there is already speculation on what happens if that doesn't work:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/sep/05/corbyn-supporters-mps-party-members-labour-election

However, it's likely that everyone involved will want to avoid a repeat of the damaging Labour party split which happened in the 1980s.

The analogy to the 1980s is flawed though. During the 1980s, the UK Labour party was already very left wing, and was facing an unexpected and highly effective attack from the Thatcher government. For example, no-one thought that Thatcher would shut down UK industry and fritter away North Sea oil income in order to silence her opponents, but that's exactly what she did. It's about this time that the Labour party splintered, and would eventually be taken over by Tony Blair.

Fast forward to 2015, and the UK Labour party is controlled by neoliberals. But the grassroots support has remained to the left of the leadership. Until now, there hasn't been a chance for the grassroots to do anything about the way the party is run. Due to hubris, or complacency, Corbyn was added to the ballot. Yesterday he took leadership of the party.

As a result, a lot of Labour MPs seem confused. They're basically squeezed between the party leadership, and the party membership. For example, 15,500 people have joined the Labour party since yesterday. Normally, you'd expect MPs to be delighted to have a very popular new leader, and grassroots membership increasing rapidly. But, for some reason, several MPs are viewing it as a disaster.

What might count in Corbyn's favour is that he was a Labour MP in the 1980s. He thus saw first hand what happened when the party split then. Furthermore, the tactics likely to be employed by the Cameron government are now very well understood (they're basically a continuation of the Thatcher policies). So, it seems unlikely that events will rerun in the same way they did 30 years ago.

m-ga, September 13, 2015 at 2:13 pm

The Conservatives are in power until 2020. So, assuming Corbyn can hold the Labour party together, he has five years to make his case. There may be finance-led attacks on the UK following 2020 if Corbyn actually gets elected.

Two things might happen before then, though. Firstly, Corbyn might not stick around. In one scenario, he is thrown out in a coup by another faction of the Labour party. In another, he leaves voluntarily, on the basis that another party member would be better than him going into the election campaign. This second scenario isn't too unlikely in my opinion – Corbyn seems more interested in the success of his policies than the success of himself personally. He is also 66, and would be 70 by the 2020 campaign.

I suppose it depends if there's anyone who would carry the policies forward. The group of Labour MPs who fully support him is very small – maybe 15 or less. That's could change, though, if there is appetite among the wider public for Corbyn's policies. Unfortunately, MPs exploiting such opportunities are likely to be more interested in power than anything else. So, a chosen successor would most likely come from the handful who already support him.

The other thing which might happen is another major financial shock – be it for the UK, Europe, or a global event similar to those in 2008 or 2000. The Conservatives have a wafer-thin UK majority. If they recommend bailing out the financial system again, or if their (unjustified) reputation for economic competence collapses, the public outcry could mean the Conservatives don't survive.

If that happened, and if Corbynomics (i.e. the green quantitative easing) had been established as an alternative in the minds of the UK public, then Corbynomics might become the preferred route. There would be a lot of screaming from the banks.

[Sep 15, 2015]A Fiscal Policy Rule for Oil Exporters

"...On the high side, oil spend equaling 5% of GDP implies 'stagflation', 'secular stagnation' or outright recession in the advanced oil importing countries....Today, 5% of GDP equals about $110 / barrel"
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"... Indeed, surplus capacity is probably not more than 1-2% (1-2 mbpd) of oil consumption, a level which would ordinarily be considered critically low."
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"...At current prices, many shale operators are facing bankruptcy, the oil majors are liquidating themselves, and OPEC governments are suffering for a lack of revenues. The situation looks untenable for producers."
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"... For now, let it suffice to say that maintaining current oil prices depends intrinsically on weakness in China, not on the ability of oil producers to flood the market at $50 / barrel Brent."
Princeton Energy Advisors

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Oil is the life-blood of the global economy, and therefore GDP and oil prices tend to be related. Therefore, it seems appropriate to use a model is based on global spend on crude oil as a percent of world GDP. If oil prices are too low, supply will falter, the global economy will sooner or later become starved of oil, and prices will rise. On the other hand, if prices are too high, then the consumer economies will stagnate, new oil production will come on line, and oil prices will decline.

On the high side, oil spend equaling 5% of GDP implies 'stagflation', 'secular stagnation' or outright recession in the advanced oil importing countries. Oil prices are not sustainable at that level without ascribing to some variation of peak oil. Today, 5% of GDP equals about $110 / barrel. That's a very high price historically, and not suitable for fiscal planning purposes given current realities.

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I would add that our expectations depend heavily on the experience after 1986, when oil prices last collapsed in such great magnitude. At the time, a period of extended low prices was readily foreseeable. High oil prices had been maintained by progressive OPEC production cuts, which in turn created global spare capacity equaling 13 mbpd, or 25% of global consumption. This enormous surplus required almost 20 years to clear-two decades known as The Great Moderation. However, there is no such surplus today. Indeed, surplus capacity is probably not more than 1-2% (1-2 mbpd) of oil consumption, a level which would ordinarily be considered critically low.

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If one allows the 1986 precedent, then fiscal policy should be set assuming oil prices will equate to 2.3% of GDP, as they did from 1986 to 1990. In dollar terms, that would imply a spot Brent oil price of $50 / barrel today, rising to $60 / barrel in 2020. As Brent currently hovers around $48 / barrel, the sustainable price would appear to be above the current price.

On the supply side, maintaining such low prices looks quite a challenge. At current prices, many shale operators are facing bankruptcy, the oil majors are liquidating themselves, and OPEC governments are suffering for a lack of revenues. The situation looks untenable for producers.

To maintain low prices, China would have to suffer a recession--GDP growth of 2% or less -- thereby pushing its neighbors into outright recession. The script would follow the Asian financial crisis of 1998. At the time, oil spend fell to 1.1% of global GDP, equal to $25 / barrel into today's terms. Of course, assessing China's outlook is a complicated matter. For now, let it suffice to say that maintaining current oil prices depends intrinsically on weakness in China, not on the ability of oil producers to flood the market at $50 / barrel Brent.

Those oil exporters who believe that oil is not a shortage commodity should plan for sustainable prices over the next five years at 2.3% of GDP, approximately $50-60 / barrel on a Brent basis. For those who believe that China still has a future, and that oil is still hard to find, well, your analysis will be more complicated.

[Sep 15, 2015] Common factors in commodity and asset markets

"...OECD oil demand is up 800 kbpd over last year, and I am still trying to find another 300-400 kbpd of refined products in the OECD which have disappeared, statistically speaking. So OECD demand growth could be up as much as 1.1-1.2 mbpd, depending on where those missing barrels end up. No visible weakness in the demand in the OECD. "
Sep 15, 2015 | Econbrowser
Ricardo September 14, 2015 at 5:08 am

Menzie wrote:

"Increases in oil production in the United States and the Middle East were certainly key factors in the huge drop in oil prices over the last year."

Don't you have this backward? Actually, huge drops in oil prices have reduced production. Reductions in production would tend to lower supply and tend to creare higher prices than if the supply did not change.

Understanding this gives us the answer to your second sentence.

"Nevertheless, one can't help but be struck by the fact that the weekly changes in oil prices correlate with dramatic moves in other commodity and financial markets."

We would expect overall commodity prices to drop – especially oil – with an appreciating currency.

Steven Kopits September 14, 2015 at 9:36 am

Scott Sumner might point out that we are reasoning from price changes.

As I recall, shale oil production has moved the trade deficit by 2% of GDP since 2012. I believe this is not a small adjustment.

The OECD seems to be doing fine. OECD oil demand is up 800 kbpd over last year, and I am still trying to find another 300-400 kbpd of refined products in the OECD which have disappeared, statistically speaking. So OECD demand growth could be up as much as 1.1-1.2 mbpd, depending on where those missing barrels end up. No visible weakness in the demand in the OECD.

The global economy, ex-China and China-derived demand (eg, Brazil, Australia, Indonesia, Canada, Norway, and some other commodity exporters) is doing fine. So if we're talking weakness in the global economy, we're talking about weakness in China. And if we're talking weakness in China, we're talking first and foremost an over-valued yuan. See the second graph ("Rush to Exit") in the article below, and tell me the yuan doesn't need a write-down. And note flight of capital from China corresponds to the collapse of the oil price, the devaluation of other currencies against the dollar (excluding China), and that in turn corresponds to the acceleration of shale oil production in Q3 2014.

One could argue that China collapsed just as shale oil production was accelerating, but that seems a bit too coincidental.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-09-11/these-four-charts-show-how-obama-s-leverage-over-xi-is-increasing

Steven Kopits, September 15, 2015 at 8:51 am

I have written an analysis of the impact of shale oil production on the US trade deficit, and by implication, the dollar exchange rate.

Find it here: http://www.prienga.com/blog/2015/9/15/impact-of-shales-on-the-us-trade-deficit

[Sep 14, 2015] US War Theories Target Dissenters

Information Clearing House - ICH
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Dissent as Treason

Since the Vietnam War, the belief that the media and other critics of government policies act as fifth columnists has become commonplace in military-oriented journals and with the American authoritarian-oriented political class, expressed in articles such as William Bradford's attack on "treasonous professors."

To the question "how a scholar pushing these ideas" did not raise a red flag, that might best be asked of the National Security Law Journal's previous editorial board. It is worth noting however that the editors who chose to publish Bradford's article are not neophytes in national security issues or strangers to the military or government.

As described on the NSLJ website, the Editor-in-Chief from 2014-2015 has broad experience in homeland and national security programs from work at both the Department of Justice and the Department of Homeland Security and currently serves (at the time of publication of Bradford's article) as the Deputy Director for the Office of Preparedness Integration and Coordination at FEMA. A U.S. government official in other words.

The "Articles Selection Editor" is described as "a family physician with thirty years of experience in the foreign affairs and intelligence communities." Websites online suggest his experience may have been acquired as a CIA employee. The executive editor appears to be a serving Marine Corps officer who attended law school as a military-funded student.

Significantly; Bradford was articulating precepts of the "U.S. common law of war" promoted by Chief Prosecutor Mark Martins because nothing Bradford advocated was inconsistent with William Whiting's guidance to Union Generals. Except Whiting went even further and advised that judges in the Union states who "impeded" the military in any way by challenging their detentions were even greater "public enemies" than Confederate soldiers were.

This "U.S. common law of war" is a prosecution fabrication created by legal expediency in the absence of legitimate legal precedent for what the United States was doing with prisoners captured globally after 9/11. This legal invention came about when military commission prosecutors failed to prove that the offense of Material Support for Terrorism was an international law of war crime. So prosecutors dreamed up a "domestic common law of war." This in fact is simply following the pattern of totalitarian states of the Twentieth Century.

Government-Media-Academic-Complex

The logic of Bradford's argument is the same as that of the Defense Department in declaring that journalists may be deemed "unprivileged belligerents." As quoted above, George H. Aldrich had observed that in Vietnam, both sides had as their goal "the destruction of the will to continue the struggle."

Bradford argued that Islamists must overcome Americans' support for the current war to prevail, and "it is the 'informational dimension' which is their main combat effort because it is U.S. political will which must be destroyed for them to win." But he says Islamists lack skill "to navigate the information battlespace, employ PSYOPs, and beguile Americans into hostile judgments regarding the legitimacy of their cause."

Therefore, according to Bradford, Islamists have identified "force multipliers with cultural knowledge of, social proximity to, and institutional capacity to attrit American political will. These critical nodes form an interconnected 'government-media-academic complex' ('GMAC') of public officials, media, and academics who mould mass opinion on legal and security issues . . . ."

Consequently, Bradford argues, within this triumvirate, "it is the wielders of combat power within these nodes - journalists, officials, and law professors - who possess the ideological power to defend or destroy American political will."

While Bradford reserves special vituperation for his one-time fellow law professors, he states the "most transparent example of this power to shape popular opinion as to the legitimacy of U.S. participation in wars is the media."

As proof, Bradford explained how this "disloyalty" of the media worked during the Vietnam War. He wrote: "During the Vietnam War, despite an unbroken series of U.S. battlefield victories, the media first surrendered itself over to a foreign enemy for use as a psychological weapon against Americans, not only expressing criticism of U.S. purpose and conduct but adopting an 'antagonistic attitude toward everything America was and represented' and 'spinning' U.S. military success to convince Americans that they were losing, and should quit, the war. Journalistic alchemists converted victory into defeat simply by pronouncing it."

Space does not permit showing in how many ways this "stab in the back" myth is false. But this belief in the disloyalty of the media in Bradford's view remains today. He wrote: "Defeatism, instinctive antipathy to war, and empathy for American adversaries persist within media."

Targeting Journalists

The right-wing militarist Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA), with mostly retired U.S. military officers serving as advisers, has advocated targeting journalists with military attacks. Writing in The Journal of International Security Affairs in 2009, retired U.S. Army Lt. Col. Ralph Peters wrote:

"Today, the United States and its allies will never face a lone enemy on the battlefield. There will always be a hostile third party in the fight, but one which we not only refrain from attacking but are hesitant to annoy: the media . . . . Future wars may require censorship, news blackouts and, ultimately, military attacks on the partisan media." (Emphasis in original.)

The rationale for that deranged thinking was first propounded by Admiral Ulysses S. Grant Sharp and other authoritarian-minded officers after the Vietnam War. Sharp explained, our "will" was eroded because "we were subjected to a skillfully waged subversive propaganda campaign, aided and abetted by the media's bombardment of sensationalism, rumors and half-truths about the Vietnam affair - a campaign that destroyed our national unity." William C. Bradford apparently adopted and internalized this belief, as have many other military officers.

That "stab in the back" myth was propagated by a number of U.S. military officers as well as President Richard Nixon (as explained here). It was more comfortable to believe that than that the military architects of the war did not understand what they were doing. So they shifted blame onto members of the media who were astute enough to recognize and report on the military's failure and war crimes, such as My Lai.

But those "critical" journalists, along with critics at home, were only recognizing what smarter Generals such as General Frederick Weyand recognized from the beginning. That is, the war was unwinnable by the U.S. because it was maintaining in power its despotic corrupt ally, the South Vietnamese government, against its own people. Whether or not what came later was worse for the Vietnamese people was unforeseeable by the majority of the people. What was in front of their eyes was the military oppression of American and South Vietnamese forces and secret police.

Information Warfare Today

In 1999, the Rand Corporation published a collection of articles in Strategic Appraisal: The Changing Role of Information in Warfare. The volume was edited by Zalmay Khalilzad, the alleged author of the Defense Department's 1992 Defense Planning Guidance, which was drafted when Dick Cheney was Defense Secretary and Paul Wolfowitz was Under Secretary of Defense – and promulgated a theory of permanent U.S. global dominance.

One chapter of Rand's Strategic Appraisal was written by Jeremy Shapiro, now a special adviser at the U.S. State Department, according to Wikipedia. Shapiro wrote that the inability to control information flows was widely cited as playing an essential role in the downfall of the communist regimes of Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union.

He stated that perception management was "the vogue term for psychological operations or propaganda directed at the public." As he expressed it, many observers worried that potential foes could use techniques of perception management with asymmetric strategies with their effect on public opinion to "destroy the will of the United States to wage war."

Consequently, "Warfare in this new political environment consists largely of the battle to shape the political context of the war and the meaning of victory."

Another chapter on Ethics and Information Warfare by John Arquilla makes clear that information warfare must be understood as "a true form of war." The range of information warfare operations, according to Arquilla, extends "from the battlefield to the enemy home front." Information warfare is designed "to strike directly at the will and logistical support of an opponent."

This notion of information warfare, that it can be pursued without a need to defeat an adversary's armed forces, is an area of particular interest, according to Arquilla. What he means is that it necessitates counter measures when it is seen as directed at the U.S. as now provided for in the new LOW Manual.

Important to note, according to Arquilla, is that there is an inherent blurriness with defining "combatants" and "acts of war." Equating information warfare to guerrilla warfare in which civilians often engage in the fighting, Arquilla states "in information warfare, almost anyone can engage in the fighting."

Consequently, the ability to engage in this form of conflict is now in the hands of small groups and individuals, offering up "the prospect of potentially quite large numbers of information warfare-capable combatants emerging, often pursuing their own, as opposed to some state's policies," Arquilla wrote.

Therefore, a "concern" for information warfare at the time of the Rand study in 1999 was the problem of maintaining "noncombatant immunity." That's because the "civilian-oriented target set is huge and likely to be more vulnerable than the related set of military infrastructures . . . . Since a significant aspect of information warfare is aimed at civilian and civilian-oriented targets, despite its negligible lethality, it nonetheless violates the principle of noncombatant immunity, given that civilian economic or other assets are deliberately targeted."

What Arquillo is saying is that civilians who are alleged to engage in information warfare, such as professors and journalists, lose their "noncombatant immunity" and can be attacked. The "blurriness" of defining "combatants" and "acts of war" was removed after 9/11 with the invention of the "unlawful combatant" designation, later renamed "unprivileged belligerent" to mimic language in the Geneva Conventions.

Then it was just a matter of adding the similarly invented "U.S. domestic common law of war" with its martial law precedents and a framework has been built for seeing critical journalists and law professors as "unprivileged belligerents," as Bradford indiscreetly wrote.

Arquilla claims that information warfare operations extend to the "home front" and are designed "to strike directly at the will and logistical support of an opponent." That is to equate what is deemed information warfare to sabotage of the population's psychological will to fight a war, and dissidents to saboteurs.

Perpetual War

But this is a perpetual war driven by U.S. operations, according to a chapter written by Stephen T. Hosmer on psychological effects of information warfare. Here, it is stated that "the expanding options for reaching audiences in countries and groups that could become future U.S. adversaries make it important that the United States begin its psychological conditioning in peacetime." Thus, it is necessary "to begin to soften the fighting will of the potential adversary's armed forces in the event conflict does occur."

As information warfare is held to be "true war," this means that the U.S. is perpetually committing acts of war against those deemed "potential" adversaries. Little wonder that Vladimir Putin sees Russia as under assault by the United States and attempts to counter U.S. information warfare.

This same logic is applied to counter-insurgency. The 2014 COIN Manual, FM 3-24, defines "Information Operations" as information-related capabilities "to influence, disrupt, corrupt, or usurp the decisionmaking of adversaries and potential adversaries while protecting our own."

Those we "protect ourselves from" can logically be seen as the internal enemy, as William Bradford saw it, such as critical law professors and journalists, just as Augusto Pinochet did in Chile with dissidents.

With the totalitarian logic of information-warfare theorists, internalized now throughout much of the U.S. government counter-terrorism community, it should be apparent to all but the most obtuse why the DOD deems a journalist who writes critically of U.S. government war policy an "unprivileged belligerent," an enemy, as in the Law of War manual. William C. Bradford obviously absorbed this doctrine but was indiscreet enough to articulate it fully.

It Has Happened Here!

That's the only conclusion one can draw from reading the transcript of the Hedges v. Obama lawsuit. In that lawsuit, plaintiffs, including journalists and political activists, challenged the authority provided under Sec. 1021 of the 2012 National Defense Authorization for removal out from under the protection of the Constitution of those deemed unprivileged belligerents. That is, civilians suspected of lending any "support" to anyone whom the U.S. government might deem as having something to do with terrorism.

"Support" can be as William Whiting described it in 1862 and as what is seen as "information warfare" by the U.S. military today: a sentiment of hostility to the government "to undermine confidence in its capacity or its integrity, to diminish, demoralize . . . its armies, to break down confidence in those who are intrusted with its military operations in the field."

Reminiscent of the Sinclair Lewis novel It Can't Happen Here where those accused of crimes against the government are tried by military judges as in the U.S. Military Commissions, a Justice Department attorney arguing on behalf of the United States epitomized the legal reasoning that one would see in a totalitarian state in arguing why the draconian "Law of War" is a substitute for the Constitution.

The Court asked Assistant U.S. Attorney Benjamin Torrance if he would agree, "as a principled matter, that the President can't, in the name of the national security of the United States, just decide to detain whomever he believes it is important to detain or necessary to detain to prevent a terrorist act within the United States?"

Rather than giving a straight affirmative answer to a fundamental principle of the U.S. Constitution, Torrance dissembled, only agreeing that that description would seem "quite broad," especially if citizens. But he added disingenuously that it was the practice of the government "not to keep people apprehended in the U.S."

Which is true, it is known that people detained by the U.S. military and CIA have been placed everywhere but in the U.S. so that Constitutional rights could not attach. Under Section 1021, that "inconvenience" to the government would not be necessary.

When asked by the Court if he, the Justice Department attorney, would agree that a different administration could change its mind with respect to whether or not Sec. 1021 would be applied in any way to American citizens, he dissembled again, answering: "Is that possible? Yes, but it is speculative and conjecture and that cannot be the basis for an injury in fact."

So U.S. citizens or anyone else are left to understand that they have no rights remaining under the Constitution. If a supposed "right" is contingent upon who is President, it is not a right and the U.S. is no longer under the rule of law.

In discussing whether activist and journalist Birgitta Jónsdóttir, a citizen of Iceland, could be subject to U.S. military detention or trial by military commission, Assistant U.S. Attorney Torrance would only disingenuously answer that "her activities as she alleges them, do not implicate this." Disingenuous because he knew based upon the answer he previously gave that the law of war is arbitrary and its interpretation contingent upon a military commander, whoever that may be, at present or in the future.

What could happen to Ms. Jónsdóttir would be completely out of her control should the U.S. government decide to deem her an "unprivileged belligerent," regardless of whether her expressive activities changed positively or negatively, or remained the same. Her risk of detention per the Justice Department is entirely at the sufferance of whatever administration may be in place at any given moment.

Any doubt that the Authorization for the Use of Military Force, along with Section 1021 of the National Defense Authorization Act of 2012, is believed by the U.S. Executive Branch to give it the untrammeled power that Article 48 of the Weimar Germany constitution gave to the German President in 1933 was settled by the arguments made by the Justice Department attorney in Hedges v. Obama.

Setting First Amendment Aside

One does not need to speculate that the U.S. government no longer sees First Amendment activities as protected. Government arguments, which were made in the Hedges v. Obama lawsuit, revealed that the Justice Department, speaking for the Executive Branch, considers protection of the Bill of Rights subordinate to the claim of "war powers" by the Executive. One can only be willfully blind to fail to see this.

By the Justice Department's court arguments and filings, the protections afforded by the U.S. Bill of Rights are no more secure today than they were to Japanese-Americans when Western District military commander General DeWitt decided to remove them from their homes on the West Coast and intern them in what were initially called, "concentration camps."

The American Bar Association Journal reported in 2014 that Justice Antonin Scalia told students in Hawaii that "the Supreme Court's Korematsu decision upholding the internment of Japanese Americans was wrong, but it could happen again in war time." But contrary to Scalia stating that Korematsu had been repudiated, Korematsu has never been overruled.

The court could get a chance to do so, the ABA article stated, in the Hedges v. Obama case "involving the military detention without trial of people accused of aiding terrorism." But that opportunity has passed.

A U.S. District Court issued a permanent injunction blocking the law's indefinite detention powers but that ruling was overturned by the Second Circuit Court of Appeals. A petition to the U.S. Supreme Court asked the justices to overturn Sec. 1021, the federal law authorizing such detentions and stated the justices should consider overruling Korematsu. But the Supreme Court declined to hear the case in 2014, leaving the Appeals Court's ruling intact.

The Supreme Court's decision to not overturn Korematsu allows General DeWitt's World War II decision to intern Japanese-Americans in concentration camps to stand as a shining example of what Brig. General Marks Martins proudly holds up to the world as the "U.S. domestic common law of war."

Todd E. Pierce retired as a Major in the U.S. Army Judge Advocate General (JAG) Corps in November 2012. His most recent assignment was defense counsel in the Office of Chief Defense Counsel, Office of Military Commissions. In the course of that assignment, he researched and reviewed the complete records of military commissions held during the Civil War and stored at the National Archives in Washington, D.C.

[Sep 14, 2015] The Guardian view on the bloodshed in Syria: Russia has a lot to answer for Editorial

Sep 11, 2015 | The Guardian

wombat123 , 14 Sep 2015 01:48

Russia does not have as much to answer for as the foreign powers arming the insurgents including ISIS. The UK and US have far more Syrian blood on their hands than Russia. Arming insurgents in another member of the UN is a grave violation of international law. The loss of life is far higher because of the countries supplying the insurgents. All insurgencies burn out fairly quickly in the absence of support from outside powers. The US and its allies have kept the carnage going for years for their own political ends as irrational as those may be.

Sisyphus2 -> jezzam , 13 Sep 2015 22:21

It is an entire modus operandi. Before Open Societies there were other foundations funded by other people, some of which still continue to operate. It is neo-colonialism to serve corporate interests. Wearing false masks of altruism and good intent to stir up trouble in other countries in order to change their structure to fit your ends. George is just particularly active at this time because he has his hand up the butt of a number of incumbents in pivotal positions of power.

Makes me laugh when I see articles going on about how George seems to be prescient about what to invest in. Prescient my ass! You don't need prescience when you are orchestrating events into existence. But, you know, most of us are too dumb to see what is going on, or too self interested if we do.

Chillskier -> madsttdk , 13 Sep 2015 19:58

No other country comes even close to Russia in expansionist wars in the last two decades.

You sure not very well informed about last two decades, the destruction of any stability in the middle east have certainly happened in this time frame and absolutely dwarfs anything that Putin has done in terms of bloodshed and international instability.

And before you get started on whataboutism: While the neocon warmongers in USA are a quite despicable breed, they have not been in power for eigth years,.

You are so wrong about neocons, they are very much in power, since US policy in the middle east and Ukraine for that matter have not change one bit, it is just became limited by the public waking up to the disaster that it was / is (you clearly do not belong to the informed part of the electorate).

But more importantly: the "My neighbour kills people, so it's ok for me to it too to kill people is a morally indefensible position. Mr. Putin is helping a butcher slaughter innocent civilians on a massive scale.

Again you view civil war in Syria out of context of the neocon plan for destruction of the number of secular Muslim states, and this is simply intellectually dishonest.

I know the nationalistic propaganda and endless lies you're being fed in Russia,

Your assumption that I'm somehow exposed to Russian propaganda is silly, since my exposure to it is limited to my Ukrainian wife (from very west of Ukraine by the way) , and my Ukrainian dentist who is from Kiev, and they all tired of blaming Putin for the complete clasterfuck that euromaidan turned out to be, most people my wife talked to on her latest visit disgusted with the current regime of Poroshenko.

Robert Gaudet , 13 Sep 2015 19:16

Remember when Russia destroyed Iraq, igniting all manner of sectarian conflict in the region, and armed the people they claim to be fighting now in Syria some sadly perpetual motion like cycle of violence?

That sounds really bad, if you put the word "Russia" there, doesn't it? Good thing it was done by Western powers with good intentions.

Chillskier -> Anthony Clifton , 13 Sep 2015 18:47

No Putinbot. I'm right on target. As I said, Russian forces are not hindered by the same Rules of Engagement as NATO forces would be as recently demonstrated by the complete destruction of the Eastern Ukrainian city of Donetsk by Russian troops and their separatist proxy forces

You are welcome to visit and find for yourself who is responsible for destruction of Ukrainian city of Donetsk.
You will find that you was lied to, and used like an idiot by your favorite news sources. (Faux news I'm sure).

Chillskier , 13 Sep 2015 17:38

This is why, as Mr Putin heads for the UN general assembly in New York later this month, efforts to adopt a resolution banning the use of barrel bombs must stay focused. Russia will undoubtedly veto such a text, but that would at least expose its complicity.

Why limit itself to just barrel bombs, why leave cluster bombs out of it?

What? Too soon?

Chillskier -> airman23 , 13 Sep 2015 17:28
You are clearly flying ahead of your own shit airman.

Russians are not bombing anything yet, presence of Russian air force and especially anti-aircraft units will most likely there to force NATO to open lines of communications to avoid direct clashes.

And we all know about your " Rules of Engagement" since pacification of Fallujah and beyond.
The *shock and awe* alone was an indiscriminate bombing of the city of 4 million with not a single designated military target in it, exactly as Hiroshima and Nagasaki by the way.

Chillskier -> Alan Smith , 13 Sep 2015 15:28

Pretty much.
Editorials are to tell us what opinion we must have.

Alan Smith , 13 Sep 2015 15:12

"Russia has a lot to answer for" And America doesn't?

Laurence Johnson , 13 Sep 2015 14:48

Had Russia not defended Assad the rulers of Syria today would be ISIS.

Now there are conspiracy theorists that would tell us ISIS was funded by the US to fight Assad. Irrespective of the truth, clearly Russia is the good guy in all of this and should be supported by the West.

Probandi , 13 Sep 2015 14:37

I would've though that we have a lot to answer for. Assad, Saddam etc are very clearly a much better option in that region than any of the alternatives. It's been a major mistake of western foreign policy to proselytize liberal democracy and human rights to a people whom see these values as completely alien to them, as much as medieval Europeans would have. Middle east is yet to go through Renaissance, not to mention enlightenment and scientific revolution. They are simply 800 years behind us in terms of social development, and therefore same rules do not apply.

Whitebeam , 13 Sep 2015 14:16

There is a pragmatic argument that the bloodshed will only end when one side wins - and nobody civilised wants ISIS or the other Islamists to win, and the secular opposition are simply too weak and divided to ever win and and enforce the rule of law. Assad may not be a democrat (he is an autocratic secular Arab republican) but before the war the regime was broadly tolerant of all religious and ethnic groups, as long as they did not challenge state authority. The threatened Christian population of Syria now say that they are only safe where the regime is in control. Just as the West formed an unsavoury alliance with the brutal Soviet regime to defeat Naziism, perhaps it is time for such realpolitik with Syria. The alternative is to attack or undermine Assad, and let ISIS win, and accept there will be a genocide or cleansing of Syrian Christians and Shia/Alawites and other non-Sunnis, with another wave of refugees, leaving Syria as a de-facto 'pure' Islamist state.

Chillskier -> airman23 , 13 Sep 2015 14:15

How about preventing it from turning in to oasis of democracy such as Libya?

Artusov -> beggarsbelief , 13 Sep 2015 14:14

I have stated the same fact repeatedly. Churchill loathed Communism and the Soviet regime but decided to back Stalin as much as he could against Hitler. Assad is a sort of Stalin but he's better than ISIS.

Assad doesn't round up Christians and just chop their heads off for no reason . The West encouraged the Arab spring - just leave the Arabs alone to kill themselves which they have done very successfully for centuries.

Some sort of deal will be and will have to be done some day with Putin .

The Guardian needs to get a mature and informed policy.

mikehowleydcu -> Giants1925 , 13 Sep 2015 14:13

When you make comments about other countries getting their ambassadors out of the US it corresponds to the wishes of many nations that the US gets its CIA, and military out of their countries.

As well as getting creative with your history you are now inventing things that I have said and positions that I have taken... I am not a "leftie" I have not said anything in support of North Korea but ll you this; you haven't provided any counterargument for the list of countries that was bombed by the US since 1945.

You argue from the heart. I know that you 'believe' the US to be the 'exceptional' nation just as the Germans in the 30's were told that they were above all others... but your arguments are coming from the heart and not the head. This is why you are arguing with almost everybody on this forum. You want us to agree with you but you can offer no counter arguments so you revert to the distant past and then to calling us commies, lefties or whatever.

Truth is that since 1945 the US has bombed over 50 countries, executed leaders throughout the world, particularly in latin america and it has killed over 4 million in Vietnam in Cambodia and a million in Iraq. Oh... and where were those weapons of mass destruction? or the link between Saddam and 9/11?
Even you know that they were invented fantasies. Maybe your 9/11 story is a fairy tale? If you want to wake up you can.. but turn off Sean Hannity.

beggarsbelief , 13 Sep 2015 13:36

Unless we actually want ISIS to extend their vile and terrifying rule to the Mediterranean, the only way to end this bloodbath is for the West to form an alliance with Russia and Assad.

Attacking Assad would be the moral and strategic equivalent of the allies bombing the Soviet Union during the Second World War.

It is the kind of thinking reflected in this editorial that has caused the deaths of two hundred thousand Syrians and created a nation of refugees. The Guardian has a lot to answer for.

davidncldl , 13 Sep 2015 13:33

The Guardian falls over itself to do the bidding of the emergent US/EU superpower. The Guardian will rewrite successful Russian peace-keeping and life-saving actions out of existence when this meets the superpower's global aims. Readers may have forgotten that smug big-mouth John Kerry said that al-Assad, the democratically elected and legitimate leader of Syria, could avoid a US military strike by ridding Syria of its chemical weapons.

Mr Kerry reckoned without the Russians being fully awake and alert and ready to save innocent lives. After Kerry's slip-of-the-tongue Mr Putin was quick to help arrange the destruction of the Syrian chemical weapons. End result - the Russians save countless thousands of lives, of Syrian civilians and regular soldiers.

Sadly, like dogs to their own vomit, we can expect the US to return to its aim of destroying al-Assad and allowing the beheaders free rein in his country, no matter what the government says or does. And the Guardian defends this.

ATC2348 -> YorenOfTheNorth , 13 Sep 2015 12:32

Why do Kosovans still have asylum status in many European countries? why is it not recognized by many countries including Greece and Spain? What was the religion of the majority of that "country" at the turn of the last century and what is it now? who is one of the biggest employers? see below;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Bondsteel

[Sep 14, 2015] Corbyn victory energises the alienated and alienates the establishment by Gary Younge

"...Here is the thing, it has always suited the Tories and the right for millions of people to not bother voting because the two parties look and sound 'just the same'... Now that Corbyn actually is the leader of the opposition to the Tories, millions of young and other people who never bother to vote because ''they're all the same'', will start to realise that isn't true anymore. "
"...It is wrong to say that Corbyn's victory alienates the establishment. The establishment had alientaed themselves from a large number of people who felt themselves disenfranchised and cheated. The establishment were so alientaed they did not realise they were alientaed. Corbyn's victory has only highlighted it. I hope they have enough humility to realise it."
"...The triangulating managerialism of the Blair/Clinton era (Thatcherism/Reaganism with a human face?) relied on the seeming stability of neoliberalism to discourage any deviation of its voting base from what was defined by the socioeconomic elite as the center. Voters were considered passive molecules whose sole purpose was to be heated up sufficiently during elections so that they would reach the polls and make the inevitably correct selection. The core principles of neoliberalism would not be touched, however the plebs were allowed to fight over the crumbs."
"...For a counter analysis, it helps to recap recent history under our neolib, rapidly devolving to paleolib regime: we now live in a country where elected governments surrendered an entire industrial base so that it could become a dodgy offshore banking center; who, in a 'privatization' frenzy, inadvertently sold its power grid to the French state; engaged in a murderous and illegitimate war that propelled unbounded worldwide terrorism; let its criminal finance centre off the hook after it helped cripple the global economy; then we re-elected David Cameron, unleashed George Osborne and now some fancy Boris Johnson with Nigel Farrage still hanging around. We have become, in effect, Bullingdonia. It is our present reality and it is scarier than anything Corbyn has proposed. And I haven't even mentioned Brooks, Coulson or Murdoch.

Many of the blighted citizenry of this country have had enough and have set their sights very sharply on the long con of which the Tories, Blairites and the Paleolib British media including the Guardian are leading proponents. The key operative factors being, of course, debt, debt slavery, and bondage to the bank.

Labour had been colonized and neutralized by the regime. As the 'nicer tories' they bought a one way ticket to oblivion with a short ascent at the beginning. And talking about 'aspiration': people are finally getting that there is no hope at all in voting for the landlord or his pussy, so they're not voting. Time to give 'em something exciting, some hope for the great well of non-voters among Generation Screwed, who have been conned into accepting debt slavery and submission. This view holds particularly among poleaxed interns stewing in their hovels without the n"

"...If we are lucky this may be the beginning of the end for TINA -- "There is No Alternative". This mantra, the core slogan of the Thatcher era, was intended to inculcate in the electorate that neoconservatism was the only viable economic and social strategy. Its been astoundingly successful -- despite it being based on tenuous, unproven, theory (Hayek) and having been shown to cause economic disaster wherever it was implemented (South America, for example) the notion of TINA was constantly pushed because it made people money -- economies could die, people would live in misery but the elites coined it big time.

Its been obvious to anyone with even a vaguely functioning brain that something's wrong. Unfortunately daring to even think of alternatives gets a gut reaction from many born of being fed propaganda from birth -- witness the snide remarks about Trots or commissars, the hints of 'security risks' and so on. This won't stop; prepare for a full on assault (although "Red Jeremy" doesn't roll off the tongue quite as well as "Red Ken" so I'll wait to see how the tabloids handle him)."

"... There is a desperate need for an alternative voice to the neo-liberal consensus (ie. Capitalism Unchained) "
"...The neoliberals are as wily as Stalin and incredibly cunning. "
"...And here we have the nub of the matter, the way that the NeoLiberals who infiltrated the Labour party just assumed that the core vote would continue supporting them as they had nowhere else to go... wrong, wrong, wrong!"

Sep 13, 2015 | The Guardian

But then little of this is really about Corbyn. He is less the product of a movement than the conduit for a moment that has parallels across the western world. After almost a decade and a half of war, crisis and austerity, leftwing social democrats in all their various national guises are enjoying a revival as they seek to challenge the neo-liberal consensus. In the US, the self-described "democratic socialist" Bernie Sanders is outpolling Hillary Clinton for the Democratic nomination in key states. Podemos in Spain, Syriza in Greece and Die Linke in Germany are all posing significant challenges to mainstream centre-left parties.

... ... ...

From the moment it was clear that assumption was flawed, the political and media class shifted from disbelief to derision to panic, apparently unaware that his growing support was as much a repudiation of them as an embrace of him. Former Labour leaders and mainstream commentators belittled his supporters as immature, deluded, self-indulgent and unrealistic, only to express surprise when they could not win them over. As such this reckoning was a long time coming. For the past couple of decades the Labour leadership has looked upon the various nascent social movements that have emerged – against war, austerity, tuition fees, racism and inequality – with at best indifference and at times contempt. They saw its participants, many of whom were or had been committed Labour voters, not as potential allies but constant irritants.

The slew of resignations from the party's frontbench after the result was announced and apocalyptic warnings from former ministers about the fate of the party under a Corbyn leadership illustrate that this attitude hasn't changed. The party has spoken; its old leaders would do well to listen but for now seem intent on covering their ears. They won't win it back with snark and petulance. But they can make their claims about unelectability a self-fulfilling prophecy by refusing to accept Corbyn's legitimacy as party leader.

Not only is Corbyn not being granted a honeymoon, relatives are determined to have a brawl at the wedding.

Nonetheless, the question of whether Corbyn is electable is a crucial one to which there are many views but no definitive answers. We are in uncharted waters and it's unlikely to be plain sailing. May revealed that the British electoral landscape is both fractured and wildly volatile. What works in London and Scotland may not work in middle England and the south-east. To some extent Corbyn's success depends on how he performs as leader and the degree to which his supporters can make their enthusiasm contagious.

It is a big risk. In the early 80s when Tony Benn made his bid for the deputy leadership, there was a huge trade union movement and peace movement to buttress him if he won. Corbyn inherits a parliamentary party in revolt and a determined but as yet unorganised band of followers. Clearly many believed it was a risk worth taking. In the words of the American socialist Eugene Debs: "It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it."


SqueakEMouse -> darylrevok 14 Sep 2015 02:45

' right-wing rodents ' That says all that one needs to know of your attitude and beliefs. Your contempt for real people with real concerns and real aspirations. Well it's a democracy sonny and you wont get the votes by abusing everybody who objects to your dictatorial fantasy world being put into practice. If you cannot even SEEK to persuade then you have no hope at all. Wake up and smell the coffee of reality.

bob1648 14 Sep 2015 02:42

Absolutely agree.
Scotland voted for the same ideals as JC and whilst the Blairites are busy throwing their toys out the pram he can count on 56 very savvy MPs more than willing to back him in Westminster.


UncertainTrumpet 14 Sep 2015 02:42

Here is the thing, it has always suited the Tories and the right for millions of people to not bother voting because the two parties look and sound 'just the same'.

We've all heard people say that politicians are all the same and only in it for themselves, some of us have probably thought that ourselves.

So, the Tories and the right confidently started out sneering and making jokes about how Corbyn was a dreamer.

That isn't true anymore now, though.

Now that Corbyn actually is the leader of the opposition to the Tories, millions of young and other people who never bother to vote because ''they're all the same'', will start to realise that isn't true anymore.

They'll see the difference between the two main parties is real now.

The Tories are for the rich, despite their 'party of working people' rhetoric; they've always had the back of privilege, they've always framed their politics to appeal to personal selfishness. And New Labour sounded just the same.

The Tories aren't scared of Corbyn, but they're more than a little concerned the rest of us voters / non-voters will start listening to him.

They don't like that thought, because they know they only got into power on a slender majority.

Corbyn as leader and more people listening to him could well nudge them out of their complacent comfort zone.


Tiranoaguirre 14 Sep 2015 02:36

Some people just want someone to represent their social frustration and inadequacy, their pent-up envy at not being gifted a piece of the pie they don't deserve, and their inferiority complex that's grinding the axe. And they don't care if they have to destroy the UK to do it. The left is just another version of Salomon's disputed baby and the robber mother who, having snuffed out her own, wants somebody else's.


Giuliano Marcangelo -> Sal2011 14 Sep 2015 02:33

Corbin offers hope, hope of a better future for the youth of this country. Corbin offers hope, hope of a future where we are led by politicians with integrity, rather than politicians who formulate policy for their multi national company paymaster so. Corbin offers hope of DEMOCRACY, where our elected parliament act according to the wishes of the populace and not to those of press barons and big businesses.

Wake up and smell the coffee....the rules are being re-written and a peaceful revolution is evolving...the establishment are worried, hence the mud slinging against Jeremy Corbyn by the British Press, the establishment and the Tories, mud slinging against a man who cannot win a General Election .....why bother if he is so unelectable?


SqueakEMouse -> murielbelcher 14 Sep 2015 02:32

But the majority are after MORE freedom not less in case you hadn't noticed. Blair's mantra of 'Education, education, education' spoke to a broad range of people who wanted better education and opportunites for their families. He largely failed to deliver on the promise but the yearning is still there in case you hadn't noticed.

People want a health service that serves THEM, not the people who run it. That is the reform that people wanted. The old system is a black hole for finance and failing to deliver. Sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting 'la la la' wont change it.

Going back to an era when it could be pretended that there were no problems and everything was peachy is not going to attract the votes of people who can see for themselves that the old system failed them. You are putting ideology over practicality and results.


JonathanLamb -> trp981 14 Sep 2015 02:29

"The configuration of socioeconomic forces at present warrants the metaphoric borrowing of such natural science concepts as criticality, bifurcation, and nonlinearity to describe the situation. A cascading series of cracks are beginning to appear in the illusion of the steady-state equilibrium of the world, fracturing the end-of-history narrative that the neoliberal order had been energetically maintaining for the past three decades."

Is that you Russell?


bevrev 14 Sep 2015 02:24

Clearly, you can't win a General Election until you win the leadership one. The poor percentages of the other three candidates show clearly it is they, not Corbyn, who can't win a General Election. The fact that Corbyn has overwhelming grassroot support, but weak parliamentary support shows how out of touch the political class really is. For too long, the nation has endured their vulgar sense of entitlement and arrogance. The people are responding because at long last, they have someone who is speaking for them. The volume of voices ranged against him shows how many establishment figures are lined up against the people. They are truly worried. They should be.


Jeffrey Cox 14 Sep 2015 02:21

This from "Monty Python and the Holy Grail" captures the parliamentary Labour Party and Guardian/Independent establishment response to Corbyn's victory

King Arthur played by We the People. Black Knight played by the Labour establishment:

King Arthur: Now stand aside, worthy adversary.
Black Knight: 'Tis but a scratch.
King Arthur: A scratch? Your arm's off.
Black Knight: No it isn't.
King Arthur: What's that, then?
Black Knight: I've had worse.
King Arthur: You liar.


londonzak -> HenryC 14 Sep 2015 02:21

Just like Thatcher welcomed Pinochet for dinner and had tea with apartheid South African leaders. Guilt by association is such a lightweight argument.


ID3945937 14 Sep 2015 02:12

My wife and I contradict this idea that it is only the young, inexperienced and naive who are joining the Labour Party. We are both 67 and have both just joined the Labour Party for the very first time, on the strength of Jeremy Corbyn's victory. We figure that his leadership is going to be made very difficult by the Blairite rump and our appalling right-wing press and he needs all the support he can get. We hope that Jeremy will offer the opportunity for socialists to re-capture the intellectual and moral high ground on taxation, the role of the state, equality, health, justice and so on, against this rapaciously destructive and ideological Tory government, who would like to take Britain back to the 19th century. Yes, he is a risk, yes, he needs to sharpen up some of his policies, yes, his leadership qualities are untested -- but he is the best political hope that radicals and socialists of all colours and persuasions have at the present time.


Socialistoldfashion 14 Sep 2015 02:10

It is wrong to say that Corbyn's victory alienates the establishment.

The establishment had alientaed themselves from a large number of people who felt themselves disenfranchised and cheated. The establishment were so alientaed they did not realise they were alientaed. Corbyn's victory has only highlighted it. I hope they have enough humility to realise it.


trp981 14 Sep 2015 02:04

"But then little of this is really about Corbyn. He is less the product of a movement than the conduit for a moment that has parallels across the western world."

The configuration of socioeconomic forces at present warrants the metaphoric borrowing of such natural science concepts as criticality, bifurcation, and nonlinearity to describe the situation. A cascading series of cracks are beginning to appear in the illusion of the steady-state equilibrium of the world, fracturing the end-of-history narrative that the neoliberal order had been energetically maintaining for the past three decades. The this-can't-go-on-but-this-will-go-on state of affairs seems to be sputtering and not going on as smoothly as before. Corbyn, Bernie Sanders, Syriza, etc., are the fissures through which the pent-up and inchoate frustrations of various social forces are finding an outlet to the surface.
Whether or not Corbyn succeeds in addressing the concerns of those who voted for him, his victory is another milestone in a correlated sequence of occurrences. Beginning with the financial crash of 2008, we see an increasing frequency of events that challenge the unstable neoliberal order. The Occupy movement, Syriza, Podemos, etc., are a chain of events that form a portion of a possible trajectory of the future. There is no guarantee that this trajectory will come to pass, leading to some sort of structural change, although the more these events occur, the greater the probability of the latter.

"In this and many other respects, his strengths were accentuated by the weakness of his leadership opponents. With their varying degrees of milquetoast managerialism, they were not only barely distinguishable from each other but had platforms that were forgettable even when they were decipherable."

The triangulating managerialism of the Blair/Clinton era (Thatcherism/Reaganism with a human face?) relied on the seeming stability of neoliberalism to discourage any deviation of its voting base from what was defined by the socioeconomic elite as the center. Voters were considered passive molecules whose sole purpose was to be heated up sufficiently during elections so that they would reach the polls and make the inevitably correct selection. The core principles of neoliberalism would not be touched, however the plebs were allowed to fight over the crumbs.

To use a quantitative scale, the choice offered to the voters was between a zero-to-slightly-positive socially liberal neoliberalism, and a negative socially conservative neoliberalism. Put another way, economically the choice was between nothing and worse-than-nothing. The previous predictability of the voting patterns, however, is dissipating as the stability of the equilibrium state decreases, resulting in the amplification of the smallest disturbances. The expression of shock at the election of Corbyn is a manifestation of the increasing nonlinearity/volatility of the balance of forces. Voter dissatisfactions that could easily be contained and damped out in the past are becoming more pronounced and harder to contain and manage.

The increasing instability of the neoliberal order implies the shifting of the ground beneath it. The previous givenness of the passive citizenry is becoming less so, and critical junctures might approach fast and unforeseeably. There are multiple possible trajectories of the future derived from various combinations of social forces, some entailing dramatic changes in unpredictable ways.


Greatbearlake 14 Sep 2015 01:59

For a counter analysis, it helps to recap recent history under our neolib, rapidly devolving to paleolib regime: we now live in a country where elected governments surrendered an entire industrial base so that it could become a dodgy offshore banking center; who, in a 'privatization' frenzy, inadvertently sold its power grid to the French state; engaged in a murderous and illegitimate war that propelled unbounded worldwide terrorism; let its criminal finance centre off the hook after it helped cripple the global economy; then we re-elected David Cameron, unleashed George Osborne and now some fancy Boris Johnson with Nigel Farrage still hanging around. We have become, in effect, Bullingdonia. It is our present reality and it is scarier than anything Corbyn has proposed. And I haven't even mentioned Brooks, Coulson or Murdoch.

Many of the blighted citizenry of this country have had enough and have set their sights very sharply on the long con of which the Tories, Blairites and the Paleolib British media including the Guardian are leading proponents. The key operative factors being, of course, debt, debt slavery, and bondage to the bank.

Labour had been colonized and neutralized by the regime. As the 'nicer tories' they bought a one way ticket to oblivion with a short ascent at the beginning. And talking about 'aspiration': people are finally getting that there is no hope at all in voting for the landlord or his pussy, so they're not voting. Time to give 'em something exciting, some hope for the great well of non-voters among Generation Screwed, who have been conned into accepting debt slavery and submission. This view holds particularly among poleaxed interns stewing in their hovels without the necessary school connections, drowning in education debt and thinking about emigrating, the tried and true solution for Brits, as well as other huddled masses.

They will represent the battleground for hearts and minds in the next election. Forget about the mythical labourites who went Tory; they're long gone and best forgotten. Labour must now cut a path that counters the three big lies that have led to debt slavery for most of the population, the long con that has delivered us into the thorny hands of the City and the Tory: that 'emancipation' is achieved through consumption; 'freedom' through individual 'free agency' of work; that there is 'heroism' in entrepreneurial risk. It is time to counter these cons with a platform of energy and identity based on national productivity not servitude. Framed well and executed effectively, the message is about getting off your knees and sticking their self serving austerity.

There is a large, emergent audience for this. They are Corbyn people. The upside of inequality is that it offers numerical advantage.

Clerkenwellman 14 Sep 2015 01:49

We have a new situation. A Tory government with a thin majority, an economy likely to have peaked by the end of the parliament, a programme of continuing enhanced poverty for the poor and EU uncertainty for the rich and a moral and economic challenge as Syria empties of its people - along with other places. These are challenges that a new Opposition, perhaps with overt support from the SNP, can bring the government to the court of public opinion. On the Defence front, Trident will still solve none of our problems, other than by being scrapped. The UK projection of military force into the mid-east or elsewhere will continue to cost money and lives and will continue to make little difference to our security. Israel will continue to bomb children in Gaza in the name of defence but now will be called out on this. No doubt Corbyn and Benn will aim to talk to our enemies as well as our friends - a wise move.

this is all going to be interesting and should challenge the oily and complacent Cameron and his smug friend Osborne.


martinusher 14 Sep 2015 01:26

If we are lucky this may be the beginning of the end for TINA -- "There is No Alternative". This mantra, the core slogan of the Thatcher era, was intended to inculcate in the electorate that neoconservatism was the only viable economic and social strategy. Its been astoundingly successful -- despite it being based on tenuous, unproven, theory (Hayek) and having been shown to cause economic disaster wherever it was implemented (South America, for example) the notion of TINA was constantly pushed because it made people money -- economies could die, people would live in misery but the elites coined it big time.

Its been obvious to anyone with even a vaguely functioning brain that something's wrong. Unfortunately daring to even think of alternatives gets a gut reaction from many born of being fed propaganda from birth -- witness the snide remarks about Trots or commissars, the hints of 'security risks' and so on. This won't stop; prepare for a full on assault (although "Red Jeremy" doesn't roll off the tongue quite as well as "Red Ken" so I'll wait to see how the tabloids handle him).

... cpp4ever 14 Sep 2015 01:07
The old Blairite leadership of the Labour party lost spectacularly and to my mind one of the biggest reasons was the choice to abstain from voting against Tory cuts. That was surely the last straw for many, and must count as a classic example of how to spectacularly shoot yourself in the foot, if not actually blow it clean off, and to mix the metaphors stuff it into your mouth! It's not a certainity, but the dominance of the neoliberal concensus, austerity, and trickle up economics is beginning to find real and growing opposition across Europe and in many ways that has reinvorigorated what was becoming dull, same old, say mould, politics! Now I find that refreshing and in many ways it's been long overdue.

Thanks Gary Younge for an enjoyable article that may well have caught on to a larger zeitgeist taking hold in many parts of the world.

Jessica Roth 14 Sep 2015 00:51
Former Labour leaders and mainstream commentators belittled his supporters as immature, deluded, self-indulgent and unrealistic, only to express surprise when they could not win them over.
So true. Between the "heart transplant" lecture and the "alternate reality" one, it's a miracle Tony Blair didn't pump Corbyn's total up to 70%, never mind the actual 59.5.

Thanks for all the help, Tony! Now go rest up in Qatar; you've got a trip to the Hague coming in a few years' time, and a nice suntan may impress the judges. You never know.


R. Ben Madison BlackAntAssociates 14 Sep 2015 00:41

> The laissez faire looked to Hitler's economic model with wonder prior to the war, break the unions, suppress wages, a shared political and corporate hierarchy milking the profits and socialising debt

Until the war, things were actually pretty good for the German working class under Hitler (as much as it pains me to say so). Their economic policy was more about buying worker loyalty by giving them health care, paid vacations and cheap private cars -- not machine-gunning them all against the wall.


Wayfarer2 14 Sep 2015 00:14

The establishment has worked extremely hard on marginalising itself. It has been pretty successful at it.


Sparingpartner 14 Sep 2015 00:06

'the Labour leadership has looked upon the various nascent social movements that have emerged – against war, austerity, tuition fees, racism and inequality – with at best indifference and at times contempt. They saw its participants, many of whom were or had been committed Labour voters, not as potential allies but constant irritants.'

There must be a sense that there is something equivalent happening in Australia.

Abbott's Neo-cons have tried to perpetrate the same old swindle and have their shit tails caught in the machinery. The ambulance transporting the patient has broken down on the way to the hospital. Sirens are wailing and frantic paramedics are giving CPR but no one can seem to get a pulse - radical surgery is the only prognosis but as yet no one has invent the operational procedure.

At last there appears to be a recognition that the scam of corralling the centre of politics (5%-6%) and marginalising the rest so that the machine can work it's 'magic' on those few that decide elections has found expression in some Western Democracies.

In the words of the American socialist Eugene Debs: "It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it."

Love that line...


Michael Cameron 13 Sep 2015 23:42

Zoe is spot on. Though Yvette Cooper belatedly showed some green shoots, it was thralldom to an imaginary centre and faith in 'preference accomodation', that ultimately did for the other candidates. Sure, they had the odd interesting idea, but nothing like the all-enveloping narrative of Blair.

Strip the good from Blairism and you're left with the totalizing power and its slippery essence, which is to say, Cameronism; what Blair achieved with a charismatic, zeitgiesty response to propitious circumstance, Cameron has emulated by augmenting Blair's mastery of spin and message. But as we saw from the outpouring of pent-up Conservative glee which greeted Osborne's cuts prospectus, the Tories never forget what they stand for. A moment like Labour's welfare bill disaster for them is unimaginable. Encroaching on our territory with their 'living wage', far from being a badly managed misstep, was a deft political masterstroke of re-branding.

Without Corbyn Labour had an uninspiring reheat of the 'third way' - already battered into submission by Cameronism - and a party with a limp oven-gloved grasp of their own fundamentals. In other words, the very worst of both worlds. At least Corbyn can authentically propound those parts of Labour's vision which are non-optional (opposed to taking money out of the pockets of cleaners and checkout workers to give to the already mega rich) and without which they have sunk into absurdity and farce.

Take the lens of the welfare bill fiasco. Imagine Liz Kendall had become leader, had for 5 years gone along with the Tories on many similar issues, and somehow conjured a Labour victory in 2015. After years of Labour-endorsed Tory butchery, think of the entropic change in what counts as 'centre' and what passes for realistic. Think of the long road back in convincing the electorate that 'acceptable' is really 'extreme' - exactly the problem Labour faces now. Having spent barely 6 months of the last 5 years arguing with any conviction, they're hollowed-out and entirely void of confidence.

Yet no universal law exists which states the public must buy the Conservative axioms i.e. the drain of downright fecklessness, the necessary evil of all-knowing free markets, the benevolence of exponential rewards. But when was the last time Tory fundamental values were under focus?

Corbyn won't concede ground on these issues. Yet all things considered - and despite the Blairite view - staunch opposition to the most scything ideological cuts stands a better chance of tempering the Tories than meekly tracking their every move. Remarkably, the Tories are already rumoured to be making plans to recapitulate those old arguments about markets and privatisation and ready win them anew. But the idea of attempting to shape the political narrative with your own values is as as instructive as it is antithetical to New Labour 2.0. On the backfoot, out in the open, debating policy, is exactly where we want the Conservatives. Engaging them on the big questions such as how much market freedom is a good thing, arguments which we know are there to be won.

On austerity, the economy, the NHS and much more, Corbyn will not only represent Labour but credible progressive policy. At the same time, we can continue to work out collaboratively the problems and deficiencies in his manifesto. 1)Let's face it, immigration must be debated with an open mind. If vast numbers of people are opposed to its rate, we need to find creative ways of telling our story while keeping the option of leaving Europe on the table. 2)Despite the cynicism of the recent co-ordinated Tory attacks on Corbyn's 'threat' to international security - many in the Labour party feel Corbyn is wrong on nuclear disarmment and NATO. 3)Acknowledging his bid was initially conceived as a catalyst, I don't think he even JC pretends to have all the fresh ideas we need for the future - hence his desire for a more democratic running of the party.

Personally these aren't showstoppers because like Zoe, I also couldn't care less if Jeremy can win a general election. Lacking a vision within the party that embraces the future, remembers the past and addresses the huge structural reshaping of society, a Labour victory in its current state is as likely as Corbyn winning an election if it were held tomorrow. For one thing, Ed Miliband was arguably a more convincing leader than all four candidates yet couldn't get through to the electorate. Absent a ready-made improvement, it makes sense to go back to basics.

My own ideal scenario would be for Corbyn to continue to inspire a grassroots movement, re-establish much of what we're about, withstand the inevitable smears with a winning dignity, and hand over to a more realistic successor on defence and brimming with the innovative solutions of the future. But this first stage of renewal is vital. Five years is aeons in politics. This is a reality which seems to have escaped those monopolisers of the stuff, New Labour.


BlackIncal 13 Sep 2015 23:22

People are waking up to the fact that the corporate parties only work for the very rich and the corporations. Austerity is only in the interest of the very rich and the corporations. The main stream media pundits work for and on behalf of the very rich and the corporations and thus are all in a huff that the public had the temerity to choose somebody they do not approve of. It is good to read at least on article were the author shows an understanding of the anger which is growing.
I am as one with the late great George Carlin, it is to late to really do anything to save us from the disaster which is fast approaching. But, it is gratifying that people are slowly waking up to the total mess which our system has turned into. The great gift that humanity was handed and the unfettered greed which is destroying us is at last being fought by a leader of a mainstream party. I hope Jeremy Corbyn understands that the system is no longer fixable but must be torn down and replaced.


Jeremy Smith 13 Sep 2015 23:19

The political class is still in denial about the fact that we stand at the turn of the tide.

We have Corbyn in the UK and Sanders in the US; we have a Pope thats progressive on both economic and social issues; we have the Greens out-polling Labor, our alleged Opposition, in many seats across Australia, and the whole of Tasmania.

Neoliberalism is increasingly called out as incoherent swill that only exists because it financially benefits those with the power to replace it.


historyonix 13 Sep 2015 23:02

A couple of things here I guess…
1) The MPs who have deserted Labour, and the people who did actually vote for them, because they think this will make them unelectable in the next GE have to realise they made Labour unelectable in the last two elections… unless of course you want to highlight the political powerhouse that is Scottish Labour… oh, hang on… ripped to pieces in their own heartlands you say?

2) They have to realise that many people are now at absolute saturation point with the established Political 'class', staggering from petty finger-pointing shambles, to snide meaningless PMQTs, to have tripped face long into narcissistic self-parody. If it wasn't for the total and systemic deconstruction of the UK, they would hardly serve a purpose at all.


Jerome Fryer BlackAntAssociates 13 Sep 2015 22:39

the mainstream is either centre-right or right, wherever you look. The shift in global politics since the mid 70's has been right all the way.

Only because the political systems have been captured by narrow right-wing interests. If there is no 'left' alternative to vote for then people don't vote -- voter turnout in the UK and USA has been pretty dismal since the 1950s when this process of moving all available choices constantly to the political right began.
It will be interesting to see if a genuine Labour party -- rather than 'Tory light' -- can draw out the people abstaining from the present system because they know it is a mockery of democracy.


lulubells nick kelly 13 Sep 2015 22:03

Your arguments are valid. There were excesses by unions who wanted to transform an England which still held on to its class system and thereby enforced the poverty of the working class. But it's a different world now and there is a middle ground where unions ensure their members are paid decently, etc., without holding the economy to ransom. Union power is a pendulum reflecting the inequality of society. BTW the income divide all over the Western world is greater than ever since Thatcherism was adopted by other democracies. The privatisation of public assets and stripping of union power are the most obvious consequences. This has facilitated the rise of the multinationals which have adopted the strategy of establishing (and moving) their factories in the disadvantaged country which will accept the lowest wages and living conditions. Read the book on this topic by the last British governor of Hong Kong. Now employees are more and more hired for a fixed term contract, can't get a mortgage to buy a house or plan their lives. It is a huge social disaster, eg wage 'slaves' in Japanese corporations. And contributes in no small way to young peoples' decisions worldwide not to have children when they have no security, with a flow-on effect being the ageing of the nation.


murielbelcher axehoO 13 Sep 2015 22:01

It is reflective of the toxic Tories' aim to "frame" and "fix" Corbyn and get the mud to stick so they can keep throwing it at him, just as they did with Ed M

We need to frame the Tories as inimical to national economic security and duty of care with their asset stripping and bargain basement fire sales of the nation's resources and commonwealth, all to the benefit of their plutocratic billionaire mates

Amazing the similarity of language used in the Tories' "tweets" and statements - it was so blatantly deliberate and sinister in its insistence and drum beat

Unfortunately Corbyn needs to set up an Alistair Campbell style rebuttal unit and fast. Use Blairite political tactics; as you eschew Blairite policies.


centerline 13 Sep 2015 22:00

Worth reading the Pilger article on Whitlam to see what the future may hold for Corbyn

http://johnpilger.com/articles/the-forgotten-coup-how-america-and-britain-crushed-the-government-of-their-ally-australia


firozem 13 Sep 2015 22:20

At last a non-hysterical analysis from someone who distinguishes himself from the right-wing sycophants that call themselves Guardian journalists.


Lesm 13 Sep 2015 22:14

It is interesting to note that the Labour and Tory parties have made a very significant, but stupid assumption. They believe that Neo-Liberalism is an order of God and not just another economic fad. Their idea is that it will go on forever as the natural order of things. Young people have a different idea and they are taking control of Labour and re-shaping it for the Twenty-First Century. I say terrific!!!!!.


toomanycyrils shedexile 13 Sep 2015 21:38

The poster is suggesting you're not working class, probably because you can afford to pay higher taxes.

I actually kind of agree with you, but many in your position won't. And the working class can't afford higher taxes. So the only solution is to tax the very rich. George Harrison had something to say about that back in 1966. It seems the only recourse really is to force corporations to pay their tax, which I believe is a lovely idea fraught with serious problems.

There has to be willing from within the elite for things to change. Any chance of that has been made more remote by the election of Corbyn, not because of his ideas but because of his character. It really is a great shame that he didn't face somebody a bit more potent than either Burnham, Cooper or Kendall.


Peter M murielbelcher 13 Sep 2015 21:38

Whilst I agree that the neo-liberal agenda was in it's fledgling stages, I do think capitalism was a more popular ideology in the early 80s than socialism, obviously not everywhere but on the whole. You've mentioned a few there, such as the 1980 Housing Act, but let's not forget things such as the loss of nearly 2m manufacturing jobs before 1983. Don't get me wrong, Thatcherism got much worse post-1983. I think it was Thatcher's decision to sacrifice the jobs of millions for the sake of reducing inflation, as well as the Falklands factor, that made people, to some extent, more open to capitalism.


axehoO murielbelcher 13 Sep 2015 21:36

I agree, there are a whole number of ways that Conservative policy can be seen as a threat to the safety and well-being of the UK population.

The strategy concocted by the government was to immediately hit Corbyn after the Labour leadership election with a coordinated series of slurs by ministers, aided and abetted by the BBC and the right-wing press, that he is effectively an enemy to the nation. This is precisely the kind of hyperbolic rhetoric used the world over by dictatorships to imprison and usually kill their political enemies. Chile under pinochet is a prime example. Here's a quote echoing Cameron's choice of words:

Still, no woman was safe during the Pinochet era. If she were suspected of anti-regime activities on her own or if she were the relative or lover of a man suspected of such activities, she was branded by officials as a threat to national security and thus a potential object of rape torture.

Cynthia Enloe 2000

This is the language now endorsed by the Conservative government to describe its political opponents.


marxmarv thingtwo 13 Sep 2015 21:26

The media have to play their role of aspiring professionals worried about their precious fyootchers. There need to be more working-class voices -- real ones, not the neoliberal lapdogs the Western press and every other corporate institution can't help but manufacture.


easye Golub2 13 Sep 2015 20:59

This attitude is exactly why there is a burgeoning grassroots movement of which Corbyn is but one of its most important leaders. New Labour treated its heartland with contempt, a bit like if Sunderland decided it was no longer interested in its traditional fanbase and would seek to get supporters from Newcastle United. Things are about to be shaken up. If Corbyn exposes Cameron's alleged funding of ISIS, the Tories mismanagement of the economy £1.56 trillion in debt, as the UK is, that Trident is useless except for lining the pockets of the arms industry, exposes the lies that led us to war in Iraq and Afghanistan, and defends the poor and vulnerable from the naked hatred of this government towards them, then your illusions about Cameron will be shattered. For Cameron, it will be like the emperor's new clothes and you'll see his bollocks


Peter M danubemonster 13 Sep 2015 20:26

I think context also comes into play when you consider the 1983 election. Socialism was simply a message, on the back of a growing globalisation and embracing of neo-liberalism, that people were not listening to. Instead, privatisation and capitalism were the ideologies that garnered widespread support. I think it's taken us until the recession and current period of austerity, as a society, to realise the flaws of capitalism and the need for socialist, anti-austerity measures. For Corbyn, it'll be a much easier fight than Foot had when trying to convince a nation of people, wrongly embracing the New Right following the Winter of Discontent, to vote for socialism.


axehoO 13 Sep 2015 19:46

For the past couple of decades the Labour leadership has looked upon the various nascent social movements that have emerged – against war, austerity, tuition fees, racism and inequality – with at best indifference and at times contempt.

Great observation. Since the miner's strike, Labour has tended to distance itself from grassroots movements in the UK, but since the rise and fall of Blair, it's been much closer to disdain. John Hariss's video yesterday captured one of the party delegates leaving the building after the vote and remarking contemptuously about the 'distance from reality' of the Labour supporters celebrating Corbyn's win. Invert that comment and you explain why Labour has been drifting into irrelevance.


Vespasianite 13 Sep 2015 19:40

This is just an incredible turn of events, just when you loose faith in the ability of the people of the UK to show interest and put up a fight against the hijacking of their political parties they manage to do something that is truly good for democracy. I voted UKIP last time just to annoy the establishment. I really don't agree with much of Corbyn's convictions but without doubt this is going to be good for the politics of this country. However before you can distribute prosperity you have to generate it, that has always been Socialism's biggest flaw. If he manages to convince he can be trusted to deliver that then his chances of really being in a position of power will be within his grasp.


foryousure 13 Sep 2015 19:08

Good article. Politics had become the property of the 'sound bite' media professional with a set of rules, learned doing that politics degree, that define everything and without which governance impossible. Think we have all had enough as Corbyn's landslide shows.

bemusedbyitall ImaNoyed 13 Sep 2015 19:06

The sad part in Australia is that, like BLiarism in the UK, the current ALP, with its devout neoliberal acolytes running the show, now stands as the Alternative Liberal Party. There is absolutely no difference betwixt them and the Nat-Libs.
Who will bring the ALP back to being social democrats - No need - The Greens will rise up and take over fortunately


ID8729015 13 Sep 2015 18:07

"milquetoast managerialism, they were not only barely distinguishable from each other but had platforms that were forgettable even when they were decipherable."
Gary, you are brilliant


Drewv TheSpaceBetween 13 Sep 2015 17:17

You are using the term exclusively in its most narrow sense, as in, the people alienated from all of society, who are on the margins of life as such, who are outcasts in the most literal and tangible sense.

But it is eminently possible to be 'alienated' in many other and different senses, and therefore, for alienation to be present on many different levels. It is possible for people to be alienated from the political class which rules them; for workers to be alienated from the economic system; for voters to be alienated from those whom they elect; for the lower classes to be alienated from the upper ones; and so on.


Ikonoclast 13 Sep 2015 16:51

Cameron, what a fukcin embarrassment you are...

The Labour Party is now a threat to our national security, our economic security and your family's security.

CDNBobOrr 13 Sep 2015 16:42

"" In the words of the American socialist Eugene Debs: "It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it."""

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mickconley -> jonnyoyster 13 Sep 2015 16:12

Even though I suspect we might come from different ends of the political spectrum, I think some of what you're saying here is true and it's refreshing to see it expressed without the usual smug post-election needling of many rightwingers on this site! You've definitely identified some of the problems that Corbyn's going to have to solve. I totally agree that the reaction of New Labour movement is going to be key. But I would challenge two main things about your post.

Firstly, I think your characterisation of people on the Left is a bit patronising and based on stereotype. I could equally hold forth on the type of voter the Right attracts (don't tempt me!) based on my own prejudices, but I don't think that would be particularly helpful. There may be some truth in the stereotypes on both sides among the dyed-in-the-wool, but I also think that the last election showed us that there is a huge number of voters in play who aren't particularly wedded to either concept of Left or Right.

That brings me on to my second point - what makes you so confident that Labour won't win back UKIP voters? Again, my sense is that although there is a hard core of extreme rightwingers who strongly support the ideas, there are a lot of people at the last election who felt angry and disenfranchised, and saw Farage as a 'plain dealer' - who liked the way he spoke rather than necessarily what he said. I think Corbyn could capitalise on this and win back a significant number, despite the fact that what he's actually saying is the polar opposite to UKIP.

Remember, Cameron's majority is tiny. The press have been peddling the myth of a wonderful Tory success story, but the truth is it's smaller than Major's was in '92, and look how that ended. Interesting times ahead, certainly!


foralltime 13 Sep 2015 16:09

An insightful article, Gary. This is a flowing movement rejecting the neoliberal consensus.


socialistnotnulabour xlocus 13 Sep 2015 16:03

Corbyn supporters were given the name Corbynistas by those who opposed him and it was to try and paint Corbyn and his supporters as far left who want to overthrow the government.

They throw abuse and lie about Corbyn and his supporters and then try to play the victim when they get a bit of abuse back at them.


Legionary13 13 Sep 2015 15:50

A yes for Corbyn was effectively a yes for "austerity is a needlessly harmful fraud" so I am very happy to see that this simple fact is recognised. Our current government is unusually destructive and the more voices explaining that this is by choice (rather than forced on us) the better.

Can Corbyn succeed? He will be opposed by Murdoch/Mail/Telegraph, all organisations that have been practising their lying.

Humans for Corbyn!


beadmaker MrHee 13 Sep 2015 15:47

This is where I am torn. There is a desperate need for an alternative voice to the neo-liberal consensus (ie. Capitalism Unchained) but Mass Immigration is a main plank of unchaining capitalism and at least the right is allowed to verbalise this (even though nothing is allowed to hinder it) whereas the left seems to be hidebound to support it, with any contention deemed racist. To quote another CIF poster: Please understand that many many people understand that immigration is a symptom of the bigger problem of out of control global corporate capitalism. But immigration just makes it worse.

(ie. they don't blame immigrants /or refuges personally for making understandable choices to try to make a better life for themselves and their family but en masse they are major weapon in the Right's armoury to make the minimum wage the de facto wage rate for lower skilled employment, and as long as the costs can be socialised onto PAYE and SME taxpayers all is well for business. The Left, in useful idiot mode seems to want to help business keep stockpiling bullets and can't see they are shooting themselves in the foot with this.


BeTrueForAll SteB1 13 Sep 2015 15:28

"....what the establishment really fears is the public getting behind the mood."

Well said!

A great many people are now beginning to see behind the mask and recognise that lying behind Hayekian and Friedmanite Neoliberalism is an age old reality of sociopathic or narcissistic alpha apes seeking domination irrespective of the damage they cause to others.

Jeremy Corbyn has helped give voice to that recognition. Even if he fails others will take his place and seek to reverse this now obvious and grotesque domination.


NotYetGivenUp dowland 13 Sep 2015 15:23

I've seen that interview, and his answer was as straight as a die. When asked to condemn IRA atrocities, he refused to distinguish between IRA atrocities (bad) and British Army atrocities (good?), rather he condemned all atrocities, and thus did answer the question, more fully than a simple, and simplistic, yes or no. By contextualising, Corbyn refused to be pinned by a false dichotomy. His frustration was with the interviewer for framing his question with bias, namely demanding condemnation of IRA actions without conceding there were two guilty parties in this violence. The media's refusal to engage with criticism of the British Army is increasingly disturbing. Jeremy Corbyn is not party to this charade.

That bears no comparison with Howard's refusal to answer whether he had interfered directly in the prison service, outside his remit.


happytolive 13 Sep 2015 15:13

The fight against the Tories has just started, especially now the Tories are on their own mourning their loss of their brother New Labour. The Tories however will continue to fight back not only directly but also through their "agents" in the party. The future is uncertain, how can it be when even the first serious clash has not yet happened? The trade union bill is a test for Corbyn and his supporters and a defining factor for all those who are not happy with the turn Labour has made. I strongly believe that Corbyn's strong point is not in Parliament but outside in the street and in united action with the unions. Without that nothing for the good is achievable.


sallyo57 MorrisOx 13 Sep 2015 15:05

The UK is the sixth-biggest economy in the world and for all its iniquities is still growing.

This economy is built on sand. Private, and public, debt is spiralling out of control with interest rates about to rise. Hold on to your hat...


LegLeg LondonLungs 13 Sep 2015 15:04

Spitting venom? The Tories have barely started work on doing Corbyn over. Have you any idea how much shit the Tories are going to be able to dig up over Corbyn's 32 year career? How many terrorists/anti-semites/gay-bashers he's probably sat next to (unawares) over the decades? The Tories are not daft enough to play all their cards at the outset. It is already clear that the Tories won't treat Corbyn as a joke and ignore him. They intend to treat him and his proposals with deadly seriousness, so that come 2020, the choice between the Tories and JC is a real one.

CynicalSOB 13 Sep 2015 15:03

Smug closet Tories really are out in force on here tonight. They sound like the other 3 candidates looked on Saturday - bemused and really not sure what to say apart from the same old Torygraph/Daily Heil soundbites...


SteB1 13 Sep 2015 14:57

I think this is some of the best analysis and description of the situation I've seen.

It has energised the alienated and alienated the establishment. The rebels are now the leaders; those who once urged loyalty are now in rebellion. Four months after losing an election, a significant section of Labour's base is excited about politics for the first time in almost a generation while another is in despair.

This is not only very accurate but a great bit of succinct prose.

But then little of this is really about Corbyn. He is less the product of a movement than the conduit for a moment that has parallels across the western world.

This is the point many are missing. Especially the Blairites and self-styled "moderates". They mistakenly think that if they could just defeat Corbyn with some cheap trick, or undermine him once his leadership is underway, that somehow they will re-seize control of the Labour Party. They won't because of the consensus demanding change, who would want an equally radical replacement, and not a Blairite.

From the moment it was clear that assumption was flawed, the political and media class shifted from disbelief to derision to panic, apparently unaware that his growing support was as much a repudiation of them as an embrace of him. Former Labour leaders and mainstream commentators belittled his supporters as immature, deluded, self-indulgent and unrealistic, only to express surprise when they could not win them over.

This is it. The establishment media commentariat who like to believe they know best were left looking clueless, and with feet of clay. Suddenly they look very feeble and fallible, and their knowingness is revealed as hollow bluster.

Nonetheless, the question of whether Corbyn is electable is a crucial one to which there are many views but no definitive answers. We are in uncharted waters and it's unlikely to be plain sailing.

This is it, we really are in uncharted waters. There are so many points where it could go in different directions, and those making predictions are kidding themselves. There's no doubt that the establishment is going to fight back tooth and nail. They really fear losing control. Jeremy Corbyn himself has proven himself to be incorruptible, and not an establishment man. The old tricks to make someone compromise their principles will be predictable. However, what the establishment really fears is the public getting behind the mood.

It may be that far from being unelectable, that there could be a bandwagon of support for Jeremy Corbyn. Remember, in a very astute way, Jeremy Corbyn says he wants to appeal to those who don't vote. These are the people who feel politicians don't represent them, and it is not a homeground for many potential Tories. If anyone was to tap into this body that doesn't vote, it could mean there is no need to win over potential Tories.

But then we don't know what power the establishment will have with their dirty tricks, as they have a stranglehold on the media.

To me this is the key point about successful change. It depends on the ability to reach the public whilst bypassing the media. It depends on how much traction smearing Jeremy Corbyn has. It could backfire on the media and the establishment if they just preach to the converted as they have been doing in the last couple of months, and their play becomes too transparent to the public. Of course the media and establishment may succeed with their smears and character assassination. Although I think they will find it harder with Jeremy Corbyn, because he is so open and honest about what he stands for. It will be hard to imply he has a hidden agenda.


CommieWealth 13 Sep 2015 14:53

They won't win it back with snark and petulance. But they can make their claims about unelectability a self-fulfilling prophecy by refusing to accept Corbyn's legitimacy as party leader.

This writeup has a similar perfume to Zoe WIlliams's contribution, criticism out of the wood work, and emulating btl insight of the last few months. Belated catchup, but still welcome, and of course, expressed with far greater eloquence. I haven't followed Gary Younge's articles very closely over the past year, so correct me if I am wrong, but I just wish you CIF were less craven and more courageous when it counts. It feels all too often, as readers, "we told you so".


teaandchocolate CyrusA 13 Sep 2015 14:41

I don't want to be hard on the guardian or the observer. I think they have to present lots of different points of view but I think even they held their breath. Monbiot wrote a very powerful piece last week. Everyone is cautious. We've been let down so many times over the last 30+ years.

The neoliberals are as wily as Stalin and incredibly cunning.

I have faith in the guardian to vex and thrill me in equal measure. I'd rather that than the dribbling preachings to the converted that is the telegraph and the daily mail.


johnhump 13 Sep 2015 14:23

Tory light or Blairism were never right. That is for those who want to conserve and protect status quos. Nor is this about Corbyn, it is about opposition to elitism and unfettered neo con economics. Now what is important is that the thinking has started and has legitimacy.


McNairoplane 13 Sep 2015 14:21

This was a heroic move by Labour Party members, and they have returned to their more liberal roots and hopefully will squash the comfortable Westminster Bubble!
I find it disgusting that knowing their party members have voted for him, so many of the elected Westminster MPs want to turn their back on him, rather than support him.
It is this very reason that they lost the election.
They have locally lost contact with the electorate.


CyrusA teaandchocolate 13 Sep 2015 14:19

So the question remains... why did the Gruan not give Gary a platform earlier?
Backing the horse after it has crossed the finishing line is really pathetic.
Groan editorial team need to reconnect with the 500,000 people who cared enough and hoped enough to bother registering.


simbasdad Brobat 13 Sep 2015 14:17

I think the Labour Grandees are worried that their gravy train has just hit the buffers, they were probably looking forward to at least a nice post ministerial income( Hewitt, Reid etc) a stop pretending I was ever a Socialist seat in the Lords (Prescott, Primorolo etc) or the Jackpot riches of Blair, Mandelson or the Kinnocks. Of course, they're upset, their pension plans are disappearing.


haakonsen1975 13 Sep 2015 14:14

This is the first article that I have read and in general agree with and don't find condescending in term
But (there always is a but) I will like to point out that I am not my father nor am I anything but a product of my parents, but what happened in the 80s is not the same as in 2015s it is going to be different so hence the reason for change. If we were to transport the 2015 experience of politics' into the 1980s what would have happened - 3rd world war perhaps??
The electorate is not what it was then, now is it. We are not the American's although our government would love us to be - we would be so easy to manage.
Why not let us be let us form our own opinion, we are fully informed as to what we want to happen in the future. When you tell us about the 80s - many of the electorate was not born then - but do remember history is written by the victor of that time so - history lessons should be directed to the history classes in school or Universities - not to drive a Political debate nor to tell people that they are mistaken in their views - views are created through experience - not the other way around.
The people of the UK have experienced a bad time and has had enough already and they want hope as part of the future - not the usual garbage served up on a TORY blue plate.


KriticalThinkingUK Barbara Saunders 13 Sep 2015 14:07

Good points Barbara. Europe would not be facing a refugee crisis if the neo-cons hadn't unilaterally unleashed their bombs on all those countries in the middle east...it has to stop...jaw jaw ...not war war...


SeenItAlready 13 Sep 2015 13:57

Short of perhaps a speeding ticket, they didn't appear to have a single conviction between them

That's pretty funny, and also rather accurate

Finally we have an article in The Guardian that expresses the situation as it actually is

For the past couple of decades the Labour leadership has looked upon the various nascent social movements that have emerged – against war, austerity, tuition fees, racism and inequality – with at best indifference and at times contempt. They saw its participants, many of whom were or had been committed Labour voters, not as potential allies but constant irritants

And here we have the nub of the matter, the way that the NeoLiberals who infiltrated the Labour party just assumed that the core vote would continue supporting them as they had nowhere else to go... wrong, wrong, wrong!


thewash 13 Sep 2015 13:42

It beggars belief that so many politicians and commentators still do not recognise the magnitude of what has happened in this Labour leader election.

Corbyn a a result of his inclusion and the opportunity it has given him to voice his political views is the touchstone for this movement for change, which has been building up since 2003, (when Blair went to war), when the real nature of Labour's shift towards neo-liberalism emerged and voices opposed began to speak and slowly to be heard.

Politics in the UK will never be the same again. Corbyn and Labour have a little over 4 years to establish a new and better way of confronting national issues and to devise better ways of dealing with them than have been offered by any of the parties including Labour itself.


francoisP 13 Sep 2015 13:40

The real issue is whether he can energise those who voted for him and the non voting young into getting into active politics .There is obviously an appetite there.
The nu labour grandees fail to grasp this and having a hissy fit makes them look even more out of touch.

Blunkett whinging about protest in the Mail of all places.. As one of their columnists is wont to say " you couldn't make it up"


snickid 13 Sep 2015 13:39

What no New Labour / Blairite seems able to admit is the simple truth. New Labour - in the shape of Burnham, Cooper, Kendall - lost the Labour leadership election because New Labour was crap:

* Afghanistan war
* Iraq war (and if Blair had had his way, a few more wars besides)
* Financial scandals, from ads for fags (Bernie Ecclestone) to cash for honours (Michael Levy) - and load more in between
* PFI
* Bankerised economics
* 2008 crash (and Britain with its bloated deregulated banking sector was central to this)
* Ever-rising wealth gap between rich and poor (minimum wage notwithstanding)

- and much, much more besides.


Brobat 13 Sep 2015 13:37

Gary's 9 words speak volumes - they perfectly summarise the entire British political history of the past eighteen years

Corbyn victory energises the alienated and alienates the establishment

the Righties of the Labour Party say Corbyn will make Labour unelectable; gosh that is one hell of a trip they're trying to lay on us 'cos what they offer is a kind cheapo supermarket version of the Tory credo, who in their right mind is gonna vote for such a cheapo piece of crap? Righty Labour is unelectable.

Unless the Labour Righties can come up with any fresh alternatives, they should join the Tories


Treflesg 13 Sep 2015 13:31

There are three things I welcome about Corbyn winning:

  • -he is not a spin master, so, as he will be saying what he actually thinks, he will make it possible for Cameron to do the same, Cameron already does at times but under the until recent heavy spin attack culture from Labour always had to master that side of himself. I welcome that we will have a PM and Opposition Leader who both let each other say what they actually think, rather than what a focus group and pre-determined script said.
  • -he went to private school so hopefully the whole Tory Toff thing will now fade as it wont really work for Labour if their own leader went to private school and grew up in a manor house as well.
  • -by being from the Labour left he will counteract some of the attraction of the SNP in Scotland, and most of the attraction of Leanne Wood in the Welsh valleys.

That having been said, I absolutely don't welcome:

  • -having a leader of the opposition who is on record siding with Argentina and Spain and the republicans against the UK about the Falklands, Gibraltar and Northern Ireland.
  • -having a Labour party that wont now threaten the Tories at the next election. Whilst I like Cameron, I certainly don't want an easy Tory win, they need to work hard to keep the centre ground.

Sydsnot 13 Sep 2015 13:25

Corbyn is already achieving what he was elected to do. The party was never going to change just drifting along, it now has to now re invent itself, Corbyn is the catalyst, he won't last long but Labour will never be the same again.

NietzscheanCat 13 Sep 2015 13:23

The Labour party is ours, now. We saw that it belonged to you, and we took it. We took what was yours. We took it from your trembling, clutching hands. And now it's ours.

Tories, we've got you in sight now. Are you afraid? You should be. You are about to witness the Left on attack mode. Our vengeance will hit you like a freight train, and you will be powerless against the onslaught of the left.

You're damned right we're a threat to your security.

[Sep 14, 2015] Putin shifts fronts in Syria and Ukraine

Neocon Diehl has the audacity to use WashPost editorial page to attacks Secretary of State John Kerry. Promoting what is essentially Nuland's jingoistic policies... so despite blunder after blunder neocons are not yet done.
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"...Diehl seems to think that the US has or should have a free hand to do what it wants wherever and whenever it wants, and gets all twitchy when he discovers that the 'end of history' hasn't arrived just yet. He forgets that Russia was in Crimea and Syria long before the US showed up with its solutions in hand."
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"...Or best idea yet -- Send these WaPo neocons (Diehl and Hiatt) packing. "
Sep 14, 2015 | The Washington Post

Over the summer, while Washington was preoccupied with the Iran nuclear deal, U.S. and European diplomats quietly leaned on the democratically elected, pro-Western Ukrainian government of Petro Poroshenko. In Sochi, Kerry had offered full-throated U.S. support for the implementation of an accord known as Minsk 2 - a deal hastily brokered by Germany and France in February, at a moment when regular Russian troops were cutting the Ukrainian army to ribbons. The bargain is a terrible one for Kiev: It stipulates that Ukraine must adopt a constitutional reform granting extraordinary powers to the Russian-occupied regions, and that the reforms must satisfy Moscow's proxies. That gives Putin a de facto veto over Ukraine's governing structure.

Dryly 41

First, the instability in the Middle East is a direct result of the disaster caused the Bush II-Cheney administration's war against Iraq to fine Weapons of Mass Destruction. There were none. Any normal person would conclude that it would have been much cheaper and saner to have let the United Nations Monitoring and Verification Inspection Commission inspectors continue their inspections and find there were no WMD than to start a Pre-emptive War. Jackson is not a normal person as he supported the Bush II-Cheney war.

Second, Bush II-Cheney administration's war against Iraq at a time Iraq posed no military threat to the U.S. or any other nation did enormous damage to the standing, stature and prestige of the United States of America. How can the United States argue that it is fine for the us to invade the sovereign nation of Iraq if we want to but Russia cannot invade Ukraine?

Stranger9

Putin is extremely articulate on the subject of international ethics and law. Sure, he's corrupt as the day is long, but he seems to believe in certain basic Judeo-Christian-based tenets of international conduct. The West seems tied to Islamic jihad tenets, so the United States and its allies don't believe in the most basic rules. Thus, the moral high ground goes to Putin.

Whizdom

Diehl wants us to tie up our military assets trying to take down Hezbollah and Iran, while China is free to consolidate in the South China Sea

Whizdom

Iran is unlikely to be a Russian client, but strategic cooperation is likely.
Diehl and the Neocons over reached in trying to pry Ukraine out of Russians orbit before the time was right, and also massive fail in Syria A naive and stupid strategy.

Luke W

Putin has a right to conduct a foreign policy without the permission of the United States.

American statecraft and military performance in the region as been abysmal and is the font for much of the chaos now evident in Iraq and Syria thus, its credibility is in tatters.

Russia can certainly do no worse than what we have accomplish.

Livin_in_MD

Please, let us do all we can to entangle Russia into Syria's civil war. Let them bleed slowly their national treasure and the blood of their soliders. Let it become their NEXT Afghanistan. And while they're at it, please allow them to incite Muslims across the Middle East because they are helping the Butcher Assad.

You don't think they're Muslims in Russia who would like to strike back at Putin for this?

Obama, playing the long game, is going to give just enough rope to let the Russians hang themselves.

Whizdom

Let Russia be the magnet for Islamic terror instead of us? That's a concept.

Whizdom

Russia just wants its naval base and its hand on the valves of new Friendship pipeline that will cross Syria from Iran's Pars fields. Putin doesn't care if it Is Assad or some other stooge.

mike-sey

Who is in whose face depends on which side of the border one sits. Diehl seems to think that the US has or should have a free hand to do what it wants wherever and whenever it wants, and gets all twitchy when he discovers that the 'end of history' hasn't arrived just yet. He forgets that Russia was in Crimea and Syria long before the US showed up with its solutions in hand.

Stranger9

"Putin is meddling in the Middle East out of desperation because his bid for Ukraine has failed."

Putin's "bid for Ukraine"? His bid is not for all of Ukraine, as this statement implies; it is to keep Crimea within the orbit of Russia, since the great majority of its denizens are Russian by choice, history and culture. The word "Crimea" is not once mentioned.

Then there's this: "Putin has an agenda as clear as it is noxious. He wants to block any attempt by the West and its allies to engineer the removal of Bashar al-Assad ..."

Noxious? What's noxious is the West's and Israel's unfounded claim on Assad's regime.

danram

It take a real Putin boot-licker to defend Bashir Assad. Congratulations.

And if Putin is only concerned with Crimea, then why are his forces in southeastern Ukraine?

Oh yeah, that's right ... They really aren't. Got it.

Stranger9

An international code of conduct must be maintained. It cannot be broken by engineering coups and installing unelected leaders, as was done in Ukraine. The same applies In Syria. You simply cannot take over a sovereign country simply because you can. There are rules that even the U.S. -- "exceptional" though it claims to be -- must abide by.

MyCountry2

Syria will [be] Russia's second Afghanistan.

Whizdom

Do we get to arm the Islamists again?

IWH_rus

Why? did you stop it already? When?

jack406

Where's Reagan when we need him?
Didn't he build Al Quaida?

Michael DeStefano

We can dress Yatsenyuk up like Osama. His days in Ukraine are numbered anyway and he's about the right height. Not quite as handsome but the beard will cover most of that.

-shiloh-

The flood of refugees into Europe will continue until somebody stops the source of the flood. Does anybody really care who's fingers are in the dike? The only way to end the refugee crisis is to end the civil war(s) and insurgencies in the region. A cooperative effort among Europe, Russia, and Iran with the assistance of the US is preferable to the status quo. Ports, pipelines, and political ideologies are incidental issues.

Whizdom

So Russia and Iran are moving to crush ISIS and restore stability in Syria, which will ease the refugee crisis. And Diehl is unhappy? Syria has been a client of Russia's for a half century. Ending that relationship is a neocon goal, but does it even make sense now? Worth the price?

Forest Webb

What's the big deal? the editor makes this sound if this is some brilliant strategy on the part of Putin. If the Russians want to throw away their sons in the Mid-east quagmire let them.

It's a complicated stew and Putin has easier choices in the arena than the U.S. For Putin he simply supports Assad.

For the U.S. we want Assad out, so we cannot support him. We cannot support ISIL, half or the other opposition is supported by al Qaeda, the Kurds would just as soon fight the Turks our erstwhile Nato ally rather than fight the Assad regime. A complicated messy stew, we should try to keep our spoons out of.

Let Putin send his Russian boys to Syria, and let's count how many weeks pass before the terrorists take the war to Russian soil.

Michael Cook

Putin won in Ukraine. He has the Crimea back and has secured an overland gas pipeline corridor from Mother Russia to the peninsula, which was his objective. All it really cost him was dozens of scoldings from Obama.

Obama already scolds and threatens Vladimir Putin about Syria. The problem is that Moscow is absolutely right---if someone does not step in and rescue Syria RIGHT NOW the country will fall to ISIS before the end of the year. Assad's forces are exhausted.

Iran, of course, besides Russia is Bashar al Assad's other ally. The interesting point about that is that neither Russia nor Iran had much money available to make war.

Until last week. Now that Obama is freeing up frozen Iranian funds ($50-150 Billion!) suddenly the militant mullahs in Tehran have plenty of money for war making.

Can anyone smell a win-win for Putin? He gets to be the only leader of a major nation around to have the guts and intelligence to realize that allowing Syria to fall to ISIS would be a global catastrophe of the first magnitude. Better yet, Putin gets to sell lots and lots of Russian weapons, which helps his own struggling economy! Has Putin studied "The Art of the Deal?"

SELL weapons for cash money! Courtesy of Obama! Now that is worth putting up with more of these tiresome tongue-lashings that POTUS likes to dole out when he is clueless about what is going on. Since Obama is clueless all the time, Putin just has to put up with the noise.

Michael DeStefano

Putin's objective was to secure a gas pipeline corridor across the Kerch Strait?

So he could what, erect one of those ancient Greek fire breathing dragon flame throwers on the Crimean coast?

Not everything's about gas, Mr. Cook.

Ethernum

Russian airstrike in Syria won't perform better than the US (with a more advanced technology) against the Islamic state.

Can Putin engage a ground assault in Syria with regular/irregular troops the way he did in Ukraine ?

He can try but the result won't be the same, there's some wealthy countries supporting the Islamic State and they will provide them a lot of money, weapons and soldiers coming from everywhere to beat the Russian army, Putin will be unable to veto this support to the Islamic state, and it will restart what the US army experienced in Iraq, with permanent IED and kamikazes, while there will be no target for planes and drones....

IWH_rus

How many countries should be invaded and ravaged before USA became appeased?

simon7382

Nice try, no cigar....The US invasion of Iraq was a grave mistake, BUT it does not justify Putin's naked aggression in Georgia, in Ukraine or now in Syria in any way.

IWH_rus

Iraq is all you know about? Right now you involved in seven wars. And you never stop to invade all the last century. With all your history USA have only 21 year of peace, all the time invading, conquering, overthrowing legal governments to replace it with puppets. As it YOU made in Georgia, and Ukraine, and try to in Syria.

r2rnot

Putin is like a shark in the water, detecting blood around him. With the appeasers in our current administration, he has nothing to be worried about. He knows that Obama will do nothing but fire more drones and try to find some targets for bombs, as long is no non-combat person is in the area.

Michael DeStefano

If Putin's like a shark in water, McCain and Nudelman were like hyenas going after Ukraine's carcass,

SG2118

Refugees from Syria are a welcome relief to the Assad regime. It's hundreds of thousands of people who they need no longer worry about. Good riddance is Assad's feeling on the matter. Same holds for those from Iraq and Afghanistan. Rebels and those opposed to the government are leaving in droves and the regime couldn't be happier.

Russian troops in Syria? Russian warplanes and drones? They're going to be busom-buddies with the Iranian Quds Force which has been there for years, alongside Hezbollah fighters who are there to ensure the supply lines from Teheran remain open and aid, money and weapons continue to flow into the Bekaa Valley.

The Fall of Assad would be a cataclysm to Iranian hopes and dreams for the Middle East. They will not give up without a serious fight. Russia is there now, like in Vietnam 50 years ago, to "advise" and "train" local "militias" to "resist aggression".

choppy1

And if Putin's plan is to make himself look significant by "confronting" the U.S., he has succeeded, at least with Jackson Diehl. The question isn't whether Russia is pushing the U.S. around, it's whether U.S. national interests are involved. The U.S. has lived with the Assad regime for 45 years. Is it really so crucial that we get rid of it now? Ukraine is hardly a linchpin of Europe. Sure, it would be nice if it were free and western. But it has historic ties to Russia, is more important to Russia than to us, and has not shown laser-like focus on becoming a serious western democracy. Meanwhile Putin presides over an economy that's shrinking 5% a year, with a population that's also shrinking. And he made the choice to keep power for himself and his cronies rather than modernize. No matter what he does abroad, Russia itself is on a decline that he will only exacerbate. He's dangerous, not because he's strong, but because he's weak. We should not let his actions fool us into losing sight of where our core interests lie.

IWH_rus

While world sleeps, Putin moves stars with his finger, to disrupt NATO's operations and disturb dreams.

Greyhounds

Right. Because NATO is operating in Syria?

IWH_rus

NATO is a theatre of one actor. And this multifaced actor is operating in Syria, arming terrorists.

RealChoices

If anything, Russian aid to Assad should be encouraged. We may find Assad too repulsive to aid, but given a choice between Assad and ISIS, he is definitely the lesser of two evils. It's time to dispense with a notion of a "moderate pro-Western rebel force", it was always wishful thinking.

Greyhounds

There's this little thing called "human rights" and another little thing called "the Leahy Ammendment" that prevent us from providing aid to terrorists like Assad or even giving a nod to Putin to do so.

Michael DeStefano

But you seem to be all hunky dory with Poroshenko and our Saudi and Israeli allies bombing civilians into oblivion. Funny how that 'human rights' business pops up and down on demand.

Slava Besser

So Assad is a terrorist, but Poroshenko is allowed to bomb Donetsk at willSmile Saudi Arabia is allowed to bomb Yemen with cluster munitions we provide because they don't like the revolution there, but Russia should not provide aid to Donetsk despite the fact that people that came to power in Ukraine illegally and are blatantly anti-Russian are using air-force, tanks and artillery against civilian population that happens to have pro-Russian views?

Michael Cook

Spot On! Assad's forces are exhausted and extremely weak. If Russia doesn't come in and save the day, Syria will fall to ISIS with all the slaughter of minorities and hate crimes against archeology that entails.

I can't believe that the Obama administration is playing this like it is more important to uphold fictional political straw men than to actually stop ISIS from scoring their most important strategic victory ever!

SG2118

Iran is deeply involved in propping up Assad. It is through Syria that Iranian supplies reach their proxy lap-dog Hezbollah. Without that vital lifeline open, Hezbollah is cut off from their patron, and cannot be used against Iranian enemies (i.e. Israel). The Iranian Quds Force is in Syria now doing front-line fighting. Hezbollah too is deeply engaged. Without that level of aid, Assad's control would shrink dramatically, if not topple over altogether.

SG2118

News of the day. Iranian special forces moved into Syria to help Russians. Source - Israeli intelligence.

Slava Besser

I'm a Jew, are you implying that it is better for Israel if ISIS comes to power in Syria?

nativeson7

I would respectfully suggest that Russia's participation in the Ukrainian and Syrian conflicts are different means to accomplish the identical objective, the undermining, if not outright dismemberment, of the EU and NATO.

While the Ukrainian gambit failed, taking the Russian economy with it, the "Syrian play" shows far more promise in its early stages and at the very least is likely to erode the unanimous support required for an extension of the EU's economic sanctions against Russia.

Merkel's misguided response to the initial flood of Syrian refugees has transformed the matter into an existential crisis in the minds of many Europeans and "right wing" parties throughout the continent.

There has been a notably unified and pronounced response from the Slavic Eastern European states in particular. Slovakia has declared it will accept only Christian refugees, Hungary has erected a fence along its southern border with Serbia and Bulgaria has done the same along its border with Turkey. Poland has agreed to take only 2000 Christian refugees rather than the 12,000 requested by the EU and in the Baltics protests have arisen over projected Syrian resettlement figures numbered in the hundreds.
Russia's military support will not only breathe new life into the Assad regime it will assure a continuing flood of migrants from Syria, into Europe, which will serve as a catalyst to create a "Pan-Slavic Europe" with a political, religious and cultural unity that could well transcend Eastern Europeans view of themselves as "European".

Michael DeStefano

Jeez, what a nefarious plot. Flood Europe with immigrants until it bursts at the seams. I knew that Putin was no good. What a Svengali-Machiavelli hybrid.

Why just today I heard on Meet the Press that they're all running from Assad and really upset that he's just being really mean with ISIS and not letting them distribute food and chocolates to the masses.

IWH_rus

Look at the map of "Arab spring". These lands make a belt from Atlantica to Indian Ocean, blocking Eurasia from Africa. It is clearly the geopolitical project of the power, which wins situation, while EU, Russia, China loose. Who is greatest and faithfull supporter of chaos in Middle East? USA.

Assad is unimportant. No matter who rule there, Syria is the target. If you destroy Syria - lots of military staff and arms will be left abandoned, and go to search new destiny. How ISIS was created? Jobless soldiers, cheap weapons. That's the target. Putin, Assad, just a decorations. You are blind, if unable to see it, or you do it consciously, as the autor of article. He is not as stupid, as try hard to look.

Michael DeStefano

Well it looks like, if Russia is 'pivoting' to Syria, then Germany has just decided to pivot with them. They didn't exactly call our approach feckless and wrongheaded but I suspect they may have had something along those lines in mind.

Syrien Deutschland bricht aus US-Allianz gegen Russland aus Nachrichten – DEUTSCHE WIRTSCHAFTS NACHRICHTEN

Germany surprisingly left the alliance formed together with the United States which intended to block Russia's entry into the Syrian conflict.

Minister of Defence Ursula von der Leyen told Der Spiegel that she welcomed president Putin's intentions of joining the fight against the extremist organization "Islamic State". It would be a matter of mutual interests, she said.

A speaker of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs added, Germany would welcome additional efforts of Russia in the fight against IS. Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier even announced the starting of a joint venture between him, Russian foreign minister Lavrov and their French colleague Laurent Fabius with the aim of bringing the Syrian civil war to an end. Lavrov and Fabius are expected to arrive in Berlin this Saturday.

moore_te

BIll Maher said it this weekend: There are five million troops in the Gulf States vs some 30,000 ISIS fighters... Where are they? Why don't the ME nations take in any refugees? (Of course, who would want to live in any of them given a choice?)

Taking out Saddam and Gaddafi worked so well, so of course we need to repeat the procedure in Syria!

Forget about the assurances we gave Russia that the West would leave a buffer between it and Russia. So what if we renege on our agreements, it's all for a good cause, right? After all, look how Bush stood up to them in Georgia. (He didn't.)

Or best idea yet -- Send these WaPo neocons (Diehl and Hiatt) packing.

Whizdom

There is a Syria peace deal in the works. naturally, NeoCons are gonna hate it. I wonder if Syria will get the Golan Heights back.

Chortling_Heel

It is always a pleasure to receive the NeanderCon musings and misdirection of Jackson Diehl.

Rootin' Tootin' Putin and his hand puppet, Bashar al-Assad, are trying to run out the clock before their nations implode even further --- taking each down with them.

[Sep 14, 2015] Jeffrey Brown To Understand The Oil Story, You Need To Understand Exports

It's amazing that several trillion dollar was spend in exploration and oil recovery for the last several years. That suggests low EROEI.. Earth does not contain unlimited amount of cheaply extractable oil. Opposite is true ("peak cheap oil"). "Real oil" became more and more scars, but production of oil substitutes greatly increased as side effect of national gas exploration.
The closer you follow MSM on oil, the more you are misled. Not all oil is created equal. condensate that account for most production increase (as a byproduct of national gas extraction).
"Real" crude oil extraction did not increased since 2005. Shift to other oil substitutes by-and-large accounts for increase in oil production in stars reports.
In you production if flat or falling or your internal consumption is rising them you export less and less. Net export for several current oil exporting countries can go zero in just nine years. Saudi Arabia probably already shipped 50% of oil they can ever export. And their internal consumption is increasing rapidly due to population growth. Unless they cut their internal consumption they can export less and less.
Sep 14, 2015 | Zero Hedge

Submitted by Adam Taggart via PeakProsperity.com,

Despite the attention-grabbing economic volatility that is dominating headlines, it's important to keep our eye on the energy story firmly in focus. This is especially true as the headlines we regularly read about Peak Oil being dead " are "manifestly false" according to this week's podcast guest, petroleum geologist Jeffrey Brown.

As concerning as the fact that global oil production has plateaued over the past decade, despite trillions invested in trying to goose it higher, are Brown's forecasting model for oil exports. His Export Land Model shows how rising internal consumption can swing (and has swung) countries from major exporters to permanent importers within a dizzyingly short period of time:

The crucial issue to understand about what has happened after 2005 is that we've had a very large increase in global gas production and natural gas liquids, but a much slower increase in crude plus condensate.

So, what I think has happened is the actual crude oil production has basically flatlined while the liquids associated with natural gas production, condensate and natural gas liquids, have continued to increase. So, we ask for the price of oil, we get the price of Brent or WTI; but when you ask for the volume of oil, you get some combination of crude, condensate, natural gas liquids, biofuels. So, the fact is that substitution has worked and is working in that they're bringing on alternative substitutes, but they're only partial substitutes. The actual, physical volume of crude oil production has probably been flat to down since 2005. Over the past ten years, it has taken us trillions of dollars, basically, to keep us on an undulating plateau in actual crude oil production. What happens going forward?

So, basically, the conventional wisdom is the fact that we've seen an increase in liquids production, seems there's no evidence of the peak in sight. And, I think in regard to crude oil production, that argument is manifestly false. I think that we've probably seen a peak in actual crude oil production, 45 and lower API gravities, despite trillions of dollars of upstream capex expenditures.

I started wondering in late 2005 what happens to oil exports from an exporting country, given a production decline and rising consumption. And, so I just started, I just constructed a simple little model. I assumed a production of about two million barrels a day or so at peak, consumption of one, and assumed production falls about 5% per year, basically what the North Sea did, and assumed consumption increases to 2.5% per year. What the model showed was that exports, net exports would go to zero in only nine years, even though a roughly modest production decline. So, the easy way to state it is giving an ongoing, inevitable decline in production, unless an exporting country cuts their domestic oil consumption at the same rate as the rate of decline in production, or at a faster rate, it's a mathematical certainty that the net export decline rate, what they actually ship out to consumers will exceed the rate of decline in production. And, furthermore, it accelerates.

Click the play button below to listen to Chris' interview with Jeffrey Brown (43m:48s)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2evwXpejl_M

buzzsaw99

...despite trillions of dollars of upstream capex expenditures.

Trillions?

SHRAGS

See this talk by Stephen Kopits, yes, trillions
http://energypolicy.columbia.edu/events-calendar/global-oil-market-forec...

Uncletommy

Export what you can make money on Great examination of the variables in the oil business. Funny that a graph on Canadian exports wasn't included in this analysis. Watching the performance on the Canadian crud (oops, I mean't crude) stocks tumble, his analysis hits the nail on the head. Canadian heavy crude producers are facing huge discounts and they have had to use the condensate to blend heavier sources just pipe it to market.

And if it doesn't hit the refiner's specs, it is either rejected or priced even lower, as Mr Brown points out. The CAPEX on these Alberta sources has been cut way back and they are only shipping existing heavy crude and conventional production just to keep the lights on. Layoffs in western Canada haven't been this high in a long time. I wonder why?

The interesting thing I see is that the major refiners in the US are making comfortable margins on finished products that most of the exporting countries are importing. Has your gasoline dropped as much as the price of crude? Doubt it.

I'm not saying the refiners are having a cakewalk, but low priced base products certainly don't hurt. Bottom line - the good stuff is getting scarce. The 7 billion of us will soon be 9 billion. Just one more affirmation of PP's message. Great discussion and another good slant on the topic. Keep up the good work, Chris.

Export Numbers

To understand the oil story we need to understand exports. Well I listened to the podcast twice and I am shocked and confused. It sounds to me like the Bobble Heads in charge aren't on top of the export data or are minimizing, obfuscating or ignoring the information. Isn't this information and data that should be shouted from the roof-tops?

The Bobble Heads said the Titanic was UNSINKABLE, oops wrong. Now it's we are awash in petroleum, don't worry be happy. Soon it's oops, wrong again ..... really?

And people are using "implied numbers" or the "available data" this tells me there is some room for error. This wasn't an - "ah ha" podcast this was a Holy Shit podcast.

Looking forward to others feed back.

AKGrannyWGrit

[Sep 13, 2015] Goldman Sachs faces test years after memos touted now faltering economies by Guy Laron

Sep 13, 2015 | The Guardian
When the 2008 financial crisis hit the global economy, China experienced only a short slowdown and afterwards it continued to post double digits rates of growth. The voracious appetite of the Chinese industrial machine for raw materials created prosperity among commodity exporters such as Russia, Brazil, Peru, Bolivia and Saudi Arabia. Goldman's prophecy appeared to be on the money.

There was a vigorous debate in the pages of the financial press about the Brics concept. There was also no denying that developing countries were enjoying fast growth and unusually large inflows of cash from developed countries. The question was whether all that was the result of an improvement in the quality of government, education and infrastructure in emerging markets – a true re-ordering of the world – or instead the result of speculative trade creating yet another bubble.

The term on the naysayers' lips was "carry trade". Carry trade is a financial practice which involves borrowing in a country where both the value of the currency and the interest rate are low and then investing in countries where the returns on the investment are higher.

Chief among those who believed that the post-2008 rapid growth in emerging markets was carry trade masquerading as development was Nouriel Roubini, an New York University economics professor who has spent a lifetime researching developing world debt crises.

In 2009 Rubini published an op-ed whose title said it all: "Mother of all carry trades faces an inevitable bust." Rubini's thesis was that the cause of the sharp rally in emerging markets' bonds, stocks and currencies were the ultra-low interest rates maintained by the Federal Reserve post-2008 in attempt to revive the faltering American economy.

As a result, the dollar became weak and effective interest rates in the US turned negative. Traders borrowed heavily in the US and sent the money overseas to Asia and Latin America. Rubini ended his article with a warning: the minute interest rates in the US started rising, pushing the value of the dollar upwards, the value of emerging markets assets would collapse.

Later events have proven Roubini right. Every time investors feared that the Fed would hike interest rates, Brics economies went into a tailspin and commodities prices crashed. This happened in 2011, 2013 and, of course, this year.

Goldman Sachs, however, stuck to its guns. Jim O'Neill, the company's chief economist, a man who did no work in development economics, visited only one of the Bric countries and spoke none of their languages, was promoted by the sleek Goldman Sachs PR machine as Mr Brics (apparently the acronym was his idea). O'Neill became a tireless advocate for the Brics vision in the media. He and other Goldman Sachs spokesmen brushed aside the carry-trade critique as "nonsense" and emphasized at every downturn that while emerging markets might experience a setback here and there, their rise to economic dominance was inevitable.

As if in a parallel universe, in 2009 it was revealed that while peddling mortgage-backed securities to unsuspecting American customers, Goldman Sachs was secretly betting on a housing market crash. In 2010, a senior director at the company admitted that Goldman Sachs helped the Greek government conceal the extent of its external debt.

The investment firm became mired in legal controversies and federal investigations. Its activity became more heavily regulated and it had to give up some "creative" practices that had produced hefty profits in the past. A 2011 piece in the New York Times portrayed Goldman Sachs as losing its edge as a market leader. The Brics story was the only positive narrative that the company could offer to redeem itself in the eyes of the public.

Moreover, the tough Brics talk suggested that the company had unique expertise in emerging market investments – a high-risk game in which the fees are traditionally higher. In other words, Goldman was able to replace the pre-2008 real estate bubble with speculative trade in emerging markets assets. Finally, the company could signal to potential customers in Bric countries that Goldman was their champion. Indeed, in the last few years, the firm made huge profits by being a go-between between Chinese companies and American capital markets.

As the performance of emerging markets began to wane in 2010, so did O'Neill's star at Goldman. By that year the Bric fund under his management lost 20% of its value. In 2011, the Asset Management unit, which O'Neill led, lost several US pension clients. He finally left the firm in April 2013.

This year, as expectation that the Fed would raise interest rates intensified, panicky investors withdrew $1tn from emerging markets assets, the Chinese stock market crashed and the yuan depreciated. Some experts believe that this is the result of the unwinding of the China carry trade. The commodities-dependent economies of Brazil and Russia are in the doldrums.

This week the Fed will raise interest rates for the first time in a decade – maybe. If doesn't happen this week, you can bet it won't be long. The Bank of England signalled only last week that its rates are likely to rise sooner rather than later. And with those rising rates, the carry trade "myth" will be tested once again – with potentially huge consequences for investors around the world.

Guy Laron is a lecturer at the Department of International Relations at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem and author of Origins of the Suez Crisis: Postwar Development Diplomacy and the Struggle over Third World Industrialization, 1945-1956 (Johns Hopkins University Press, 2013).


Sean Marshall 13 Sep 2015 13:39

Beware of Goldman Sachs bearing white papers and reports....


2skeptical 13 Sep 2015 11:18

Goldman Sacs creates markets -- both buyers and sellers -- and works both ends off each other for maximum gain for GS. This has played out in real estate, coal, oil and many other sectors, while GS pays 15% in taxes by using other people's money. What a con game. Nothing is ever their fault, since they're only creating what others are stupid enough to buy, or sell. Hopefully this scheme is on its last legs.


boscovee 13 Sep 2015 11:09

Oh these banksters know the results of mentioning the word about raising the rates and now they use it as a tool for their greed and inside trading.

lifeintheusa ByThePeople 13 Sep 2015 10:21

pump them up.... pump them down... it's all bullshit.... you only make profits when prices change. It's simple massive corruption. Forget economics 101, 201, 301.

Schnitzler88 arsetechnica 13 Sep 2015 10:14

The bank needs to go away: have its business license revoked, be banned from securities trading, whatever. Too big to fail? What--and leave the rest of the world tottering because of the snake oil the bank peddles? Let's be done with them.

ByThePeople 13 Sep 2015 09:16

Goldman has forecast oil at $20 a barrel, which may be correct but they've also heavily shorted gold, silver and other futures commodities - but why? Why has it become so dramatically important for Goldman to so heavily, artificially deflate commodity prices?

[Sep 13, 2015] Radolsaw Sikorski has joined Poroshenko's Advisory Council for Reforms

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Fern , September 13, 2015 at 5:16 pm

Well, it was inevitable, I guess. Everyone's favourite Polish mover and shaker, Radolsaw Sikorski has joined Poroshenko's Advisory Council for Reforms. To judge by previous appointees, qualifications appear to include – being a disgraced politico in your own country; being a fugitive and, most important of all, the ability to bleed Russophobia.

"I intend to visit Ukraine regularly, because I support the country's reform," Sikorski noted, adding that he is "delighted that Ukraine will be looking to learn from the Polish experience."
Apparently, that experience includes borderline hysterical anti-Russian rhetoric backed by neoconservative ideology. Sikorski is married to Anne Applebaum, an American-Polish journalist known for her hawkish, stridently anti-Russian attitudes, who said at the height of the Ukrainian crisis in March, 2014 that the US and its allies should not allow for the continued "existence of a corrupt Russian regime that is destabilizing Europe," later adding that Europe should prepare for "total war" with Russia…….

….Sikorski does not appear to have lost any of his exaggerated anti-Russian zealotry. A few days ago, the politician spoke at the 12th annual Yalta European Strategy forum, organized by Ukrainian oligarch Viktor Pinchuk and aimed at promoting Ukraine's membership in the European Union via high-level talks between Ukrainian and European officials.
The politician's appearance at the forum made headlines in both Poland and Ukraine, after he suggested that NATO should stockpile weapons on Poland's border with Ukraine, in case of Russian aggression. "Anti-tank weapons can be deployed somewhere close to Ukraine, in Poland or Romania. If the pro-Russian or Russian forces move deeper into the territory of Ukraine, these weapons will be supplied to Ukraine in a very fast manner, within an hour." The politician warned that "President Putin should understand this."

http://sputniknews.com/politics/20150913/1026942797/sikorski-poroshenko-poland-ukraine.html

Does an ex-Polish foreign minister come cheap, I wonder? Your tax dollars at work.

[Sep 13, 2015] Do Not Vote for Jeremy Corbyn! Ten Perfectly 'Reasonable' Reasons

Tony Blair neoliberal stooges at Guardian are surely disappointed...
Sep 13, 2015 | sputniknews.com

The big political story in the UK this summer is undoubtedly 'Corbynmania'. How a 66-year-old antiwar activist and socialist has gone from being the rank 200-1 outsider in the Labour leadership contest election to be the red-hot favorite.

Jeremy Corbyn, a modest, unassuming man who wears an open necked shirt and slacks instead of the usual politician's suit and tie, has really proved a big hit with the public, who have grown tired of slick politicians who are always 'on message', and who don't seem at all sincere in what they're saying. Large crowds have turned out to hear Corbyn speak: last week he had to give his speech from the top of a fire engine as an election rally spilled out into the street.

Not everyone though has welcomed Corbyn's advance. One man who has made repeated warnings about the 'dangers' of Jeremy Corbyn is Cyril Waugh-Monger, a 'Very Important' newspaper columnist for the NeoCon Daily, a patron of the Senator Joe McCarthy Appreciation Society and the author of 'Why the Iraq War was a Brilliant Idea', as well as 'The Humanitarian Case for Bombing Syria'.

Below are Mr Waugh-Monger's ten commandments to Labour members to not, under any circumstances, vote for Jeremy Corbyn. Remember, we need to take what he has to say very seriously - as, after all, he did reveal to us that Iraq possessed WMDs [Weapons of Mass Destruction] in 2003. 

1. Jeremy Corbyn wants to 'stop the war'.

Jeremy Corbyn opposed the bombing of Yugoslavia. He opposed the invasion of Afghanistan. He was against the invasion of Iraq. He was against bombing Libya and also voted against military action in Syria.

I ask you - is this the sort of man who is fit to be in charge of one of Britain's leading parties?

If Corbyn - heaven forbid - had been British Prime Minister in 2003 he would not have committed British troops to the invasion of Iraq. Just imagine what would have happened if we hadn't invaded Iraq! Well, I'll tell you what would have happened - the Middle East would now be a haven for terrorist groups which would be targeting British tourists on beaches when they go on their summer holidays. The whole Middle East would now be in turmoil. We'd be facing a refugee crisis with people fleeing all the countries that we hadn't destabilized.

2. Jeremy Corbyn is a dangerous leftist.

Just look at the sort of policies this man supports. He wants to re-nationalize the railways which have the highest fares in Europe.

He wants to scrap university tuition fees which consign students to a lifetime of debt. He would like to make housing affordable for ordinary people.

He wants an economy to suit the needs of the majority and not the 1%.

He wants to keep the Sunday trading laws as they are and not introduce 24/7 shopping. He is opposed to illegal wars which kill hundreds of thousands of people and he does not want to bring back fox-hunting. Quite clearly the man is some kind of left-wing nutcase.

3. Jeremy Corbyn has been critical of the US and Israel.

Outrageously, Corbyn has criticized US foreign policy and Israel's treatment of the Palestinians. He seems to think that the US and Israel have to abide by international law - and should be held accountable for their actions. The man is quite obviously a communist and as such should be barred not only from standing for Labour leader, but banned from the Labour Party too.

Labour MP Jeremy Corbyn Jeremy Corbyn: Why He's Got Britain's Anti-Democratic Democrats Worried

4. Jeremy Corbyn has extremist links.

Not only is Corbyn a dangerous radical himself, he also associates with dangerous extremists. He once spoke at a meeting where one of the other speakers had once shared a platform with a speaker who had once shared a platform with a speaker who had once shared a platform with a speaker who had once praised Joseph Stalin - proving undeniably that Corbyn is a Stalinist.

Also on Twitter, Corbyn once retweeted a person who had once retweeted another person who had once retweeted another person who had retweeted a tweet from someone who I don't approve of - proving once again Corby's extremism.  

5. Jeremy Corbyn is unelectable.

Jeremy Corbyn wants to do things which the majority of the British public wants, such as re-nationalize the railways and keep Britain out of Middle East wars. This makes him unelectable because politicians are only electable if they want to do things the public doesn't want.

At the last election, Labour lost heavily to the anti-austerity SNP in Scotland and also lost lots of votes to the anti-austerity Greens. So it's obvious that to get these votes back, Labour needs a leader who supports austerity, and not someone who opposes it, like Corbyn.

I'm a very wealthy right-wing, pro-austerity warmonger, but believe me, I only want the best for Labour - which is to be a right-wing pro-austerity, pro-war party - barely distinguishable from the Tories.

Having two main parties who have identical views on the main issues is what democracy is all about. If Corbyn wins then Labour would be very different from the Conservatives, which would obviously be very bad for democracy as it would give the electorate a real choice.   

6. Jeremy Corbyn wants to take us back to the 1970s.

In the 1970s the gap between the rich and poor was at its lowest in the UK's history. Living standards for ordinary people were rising all the time and large sections of the economy were in public ownership. The banks did not run the country and the taxation system was steeply progressive.

Corbyn wants to take us back to these times!  Think how disastrous that would be for rich people like me who would have to pay much higher rates of tax which would be redistributed to horrible working class-type people and people on middle incomes. The 1% would really suffer and the most talented people - like myself - and my neocon friends, would leave the country. That's what lies in store for us if Corbyn succeeds!

7. Jeremy Corbyn would leave Britain defenseless and open to invasion.

Corbyn has promised to scrap Trident.

If Trident was scrapped there's no doubt that the Russians, Iranians, Syrians and Hezbollah would launch a full scale invasion of Britain within 45 minutes.

Britain would be carved up between the 'Axis of Evil', with the Russians taking England, the Iranians Scotland and the Syrians, Wales (and Hezbollah in charge of Northern Ireland).

Just imagine, Aberystywyth under the control of the evil dictator Bashar al-Assad. Russian troops patroling the streets of Godalming. Iran's Revolutionary Guard marching in Sauchiehall Street.  A nightmare scenario indeed, but all this would be the reality if Corbyn gets his way. The very future of our country is at stake.

8. Jeremy Corbyn once welcomed an article by John Pilger.

In 2004, Jeremy Corbyn was one of 25 MPs who signed an Early Day Motion which welcomed a Pilger article on Kosovo. 

How outrageous! To think, a man is standing for the leadership of one of Britain's major parties who once welcomed an article by John Pilger!

No one who has ever cited John Pilger with approval - let alone signed a motion supporting him - should be allowed to stand for high public office in Britain. The freedom to hold and express views and opinions in a democracy should only apply to opinions and views that myself and fellow elite neocons approve of! And we most certainly do not approve of John Pilger!

9. Jeremy Corbyn opposes austerity.

Spain Podemos rally © AP Photo/ Daniel Ochoa de Olza Rise of the Left: Will Britain Join Europe's Anti-Austerity Rebel Club?

Austerity is working brilliantly at the moment.

It's provided a great excuse for the government to flog off remaining state assets at below their true market value to 'the right people' in the City. The welfare payments of lower-class people who have far too many children are being cut. Libraries and local authority services are being closed. Yet, guess what? The bearded one opposes all of this. He says that "austerity is a political choice, not an economic necessity." 

He wants to protect public services and libraries from cuts - and instead wants to crackdown on tax evasion and increase taxes on the very wealthy! I ask you - is this the sort of man we want leading Labour - or worse still, the country?  

And finally, but most importantly, the tenth commandment:

10. Jeremy Corbyn is very popular.

…And if he succeeds - which seems very likely - it's game over for me and my little clique of elite warmongers. We won't get our wars and we'll have to pay more taxes and it'll be all perfectly horrible! So, don't vote for Jeremy Corbyn, because although he'll be very good news for you - his success will be terrible for us!

[Sep 13, 2015] Neoliberalism as Botox for Development'

"... The x-ray shows a mass that is probably cancer, but we don't have any good randomized clinical trials showing that your surgeon's recommendation, operating to remove it, actually causes the remission that tends to follow. However, we do have an extremely clever clinical trial showing conclusively that Botox will make you look younger. So my recommendation is that you wait for some better studies before doing anything about the tumor but that I give you some Botox injections." ..."
"... Center-left, progressive, job class parties need to implement policies that actually work. That may mean ditching the center. ..."
"... Adopting a broader perspective, though, Corbyn's success isn't so shocking. It represents the latest manifestation of a Europe-wide crisis of center-left politics in the face of slow economic growth and austerity economics. And in the British context, it reflects the failure of the "New Labour" generation of leaders, who came up during the years when Tony Blair and Gordon Brown led the Party. ..."
"... In the last decade, though, New Labour lost its way. Blair's enthusiastic participation in the Iraq War split the Party and undermined its claim to moral leadership. (Corbyn has said he wouldn't oppose a prosecution of Blair for war crimes.) ..."
Sep 13, 2015 | Economist's View

Suppose your internist told you:

The x-ray shows a mass that is probably cancer, but we don't have any good randomized clinical trials showing that your surgeon's recommendation, operating to remove it, actually causes the remission that tends to follow. However, we do have an extremely clever clinical trial showing conclusively that Botox will make you look younger. So my recommendation is that you wait for some better studies before doing anything about the tumor but that I give you some Botox injections."
Peter K.
Off topic, but not totally. Center-left, progressive, job class parties need to implement policies that actually work. That may mean ditching the center. Or those in the center need to recognize what works and what doesn't. What's superficial, like Botox, and what is more substantial.

"To pay for these policies, Corbyn has promised to raise taxes on the rich, clamp down on corporate-tax avoiders, and, if necessary, lean on the Bank of England to print more money."

Yes.

http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/jeremy-corbyns-victory-and-the-demise-of-new-labour

Jeremy Corbyn's Victory and the Demise of New Labour

BY JOHN CASSIDY
Sept 13, 2015

Saturday, the British Labour Party announced that Jeremy Corbyn, the sixty-six-year-old Member of Parliament who represents the London constituency of Islington North, has been elected as its new leader. In the past, Corbyn has expressed his support for unilateral nuclear disarmament, pulling Britain out of NATO, getting rid of the monarchy, raising taxes on the rich, and nationalizing some of Britain's biggest industries. In the Middle East, he opposed bombing ISIS and favors talks with Hamas and Hezbollah. With the arguable exceptions of Keir Hardie, the Party's first leader, and Michael Foot, its leader in the early nineteen-eighties, he is probably the most left-wing leader that Labour has had.

Corbyn, who entered Parliament in 1983, was long regarded as a fringe figure in British politics. And he was widely thought of as a rank outsider when, three months ago, he joined the race to succeed Ed Miliband, who led Labour to a crushing defeat in May's general election. Adopting a broader perspective, though, Corbyn's success isn't so shocking. It represents the latest manifestation of a Europe-wide crisis of center-left politics in the face of slow economic growth and austerity economics. And in the British context, it reflects the failure of the "New Labour" generation of leaders, who came up during the years when Tony Blair and Gordon Brown led the Party.

Under Miliband, a former aide to Brown who became leader in 2010, the Party equivocated between posing as fiscally responsible and resisting the big cuts in spending on welfare, infrastructure, and other programs that the Conservative–Liberal coalition introduced while arguing that Britain was in danger of turning into another Greece. Rather than making the traditional Keynesian argument that cutting spending during a recession is counterproductive, Miliband and other party leaders also pledged to reduce the budget deficit and hack away at Britain's public debt, which rose rapidly during the Great Recession - just not quite as fast as the government.

The Party's triangulation strategy wasn't based on economics. It reflected a political judgment by Miliband and other Labour leaders that the British electorate, which blamed the Party for the collapse in the public finances after 2008, wouldn't listen to anti-austerity arguments. If Labour had won the general election, its pragmatism might have been vindicated. But after the Tories won a majority in Parliament and Labour lost twenty-six seats, many Labour supporters felt deflated. "We had no confidence in our own arguments," one Labour centrist told me. "The Tory lie became hegemonic, despite being a lie."

Corbyn, who vigorously opposed the Tories' economic policies from his position on the backbenches, entered the leadership race promising to fight back against austerity and rising inequality. Like the leaders of Syriza in Greece, Podemos in Spain, and Sinn Féin in Ireland, he benefitted greatly from his outsider status. Of the three candidates standing against him, two of them-Andy Burnham and Yvette Cooper-were cabinet ministers in the last Labour government. Corbyn's third opponent, Liz Kendall, didn't become an M.P. until 2010, but many prominent Blairites endorsed her. Tony Blair didn't back any particular candidate himself, but he did twice issue public statements warning that choosing Corbyn as leader would lead to an electoral disaster for Labour. Among the Party's grassroots, Blair is so unpopular these days that his interventions helped assure Corbyn's victory.

On Saturday, the British Labour Party announced that Jeremy Corbyn, the sixty-six-year-old Member of Parliament who represents the London constituency of Islington North, has been elected as its new leader. In the past, Corbyn has expressed his support for unilateral nuclear disarmament, pulling Britain out of NATO, getting rid of the monarchy, raising taxes on the rich, and nationalizing some of Britain's biggest industries. In the Middle East, he opposed bombing ISIS and favors talks with Hamas and Hezbollah. With the arguable exceptions of Keir Hardie, the Party's first leader, and Michael Foot, its leader in the early nineteen-eighties, he is probably the most left-wing leader that Labour has had.

Corbyn, who entered Parliament in 1983, was long regarded as a fringe figure in British politics. And he was widely thought of as a rank outsider when, three months ago, he joined the race to succeed Ed Miliband, who led Labour to a crushing defeat in May's general election. Adopting a broader perspective, though, Corbyn's success isn't so shocking. It represents the latest manifestation of a Europe-wide crisis of center-left politics in the face of slow economic growth and austerity economics. And in the British context, it reflects the failure of the "New Labour" generation of leaders, who came up during the years when Tony Blair and Gordon Brown led the Party.

Under Miliband, a former aide to Brown who became leader in 2010, the Party equivocated between posing as fiscally responsible and resisting the big cuts in spending on welfare, infrastructure, and other programs that the Conservative–Liberal coalition introduced while arguing that Britain was in danger of turning into another Greece. Rather than making the traditional Keynesian argument that cutting spending during a recession is counterproductive, Miliband and other party leaders also pledged to reduce the budget deficit and hack away at Britain's public debt, which rose rapidly during the Great Recession-just not quite as fast as the government.

The Party's triangulation strategy wasn't based on economics. It reflected a political judgment by Miliband and other Labour leaders that the British electorate, which blamed the Party for the collapse in the public finances after 2008, wouldn't listen to anti-austerity arguments. If Labour had won the general election, its pragmatism might have been vindicated. But after the Tories won a majority in Parliament and Labour lost twenty-six seats, many Labour supporters felt deflated. "We had no confidence in our own arguments," one Labour centrist told me. "The Tory lie became hegemonic, despite being a lie."

Corbyn, who vigorously opposed the Tories' economic policies from his position on the backbenches, entered the leadership race promising to fight back against austerity and rising inequality. Like the leaders of Syriza in Greece, Podemos in Spain, and Sinn Féin in Ireland, he benefitted greatly from his outsider status. Of the three candidates standing against him, two of them-Andy Burnham and Yvette Cooper-were cabinet ministers in the last Labour government. Corbyn's third opponent, Liz Kendall, didn't become an M.P. until 2010, but many prominent Blairites endorsed her. Tony Blair didn't back any particular candidate himself, but he did twice issue public statements warning that choosing Corbyn as leader would lead to an electoral disaster for Labour. Among the Party's grassroots, Blair is so unpopular these days that his interventions helped assure Corbyn's victory.

Corbyn celebrated his win by standing on the bar of a London pub and saying, "It's been a campaign of hope. It's been a campaign of justice. It's been a campaign of inclusion." That last sentence was a reference to the fact that, during the leadership campaign, hundreds of thousands of people joined the Labour Party, and most of them voted for Corbyn. Some Labour M.P.s claimed that this membership surge reflected a sustained campaign organized by left-wing groups to subvert the election, rather than a genuine populist movement. Undoubtedly, there was some organized "entryism," but Corbyn also attracted much bigger crowds to his public appearances than the other candidates and generated a lot of support on social media. His margin of victory was also too large to be purely the product of an orchestrated effort: he won almost sixty per cent of the votes cast, defeating his closest challenger, Cooper, by more than forty percentage points.

Throughout a contest in which the other candidates seemed bland and boring, the bearded Londoner offered something different. Even if many of his policy stances weren't exactly new-"I don't think he has changed his mind about anything since about 1977," the Labour centrist I spoke with told me-his promises of more consultation with the Party's grassroots and a bottom-up approach to policymaking chimed with the anti-establishment mood. In addition, Corbyn, who is low-key and articulate, did a good job of defending traditional Labour values. "Can't we be proud of having a society where there is a safety net that prevents people from falling into destitution?" he asked during one debate. His rivals, by contrast, seemed to lack passion and conviction.

So what happens now? Corbyn has already tempered some of his more radical views, saying that there is little public support for abolishing the monarchy or withdrawing from NATO. But he is likely to remain steadfast about his economic program, which includes reversing some of the spending cuts, nationalizing the energy and railway companies, scrapping college tuition fees, and setting up a national investment bank for housing, infrastructure, and new industries. To pay for these policies, Corbyn has promised to raise taxes on the rich, clamp down on corporate-tax avoiders, and, if necessary, lean on the Bank of England to print more money.

At Westminster and on Fleet Street, the conventional wisdom is that the next election, which isn't until 2020, has already been decided, and Labour has lost it. Some pundits predict a rerun of the 1983 general election, which Labour fought on a policy platform that was in many ways similar to Corbyn's, and which resulted in its worst loss since before the Second World War. With almost five years to go until polling day, these predictions aren't worth much. But with Labour having suffered a virtual wipeout in Scotland, which used to be one of its strongholds, in this year's general election, the Party undoubtedly faces a formidable challenge.

If Britain, like Greece and Spain, had a political system based on proportional representation, an avowedly left-wing party could, perhaps, look forward to gaining substantial representation in Parliament and forming a coalition government with other non-Tory groups. Instead, it has an antiquated first-past-the-post electoral system, which punishes minority parties and usually rewards moderation. Under Blair and his New Labour colleagues, the Labour Party seemed, for almost two decades, to have monopolized the center and displaced the Conservatives as the natural party of government.

In the last decade, though, New Labour lost its way. Blair's enthusiastic participation in the Iraq War split the Party and undermined its claim to moral leadership. (Corbyn has said he wouldn't oppose a prosecution of Blair for war crimes.) Then the Great Recession undermined Labour's reputation as a competent steward of the economy. The voter backlash that ensued robbed the Party's leadership of the intellectual confidence to defend its own centrist philosophy, which was based on promoting economic growth and using the tax revenues it generated to finance large-scale investments in public goods-schools, hospitals, and so on-as well as programs for the low-paid and poverty-stricken.

Slowly but surely, the legacy of New Labour, and of previous Labour governments, is being dismantled. Under the cloak of fiscal orthodoxy, Prime Minister David Cameron and his intellectual henchman George Osborne, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, the Conservative government seems intent on reducing the size of the government, relative to the size of the over-all economy, to where it was in the late nineteen-thirties before the big expansion in the welfare state that took place under the post-war Labour government.

Following Corbyn's victory, it will be up to him to resist the Conservative downsizing project, and to persuade the British electorate that Labour has a viable alternative to offer. He spent Sunday putting together a new shadow cabinet. On Monday, he will meet his Labour colleagues in Parliament, and then, according to some reports, he will address a public rally alongside his fellow anti-austerity campaigner, Yanis Varoufakis, the former finance minister of Greece. Since both of them are creations of the ongoing crisis in social democracy, that is only fitting.

[Sep 13, 2015] Western "scientific publications on the Russian strategy" mean Putin=evil, Russian=scary; Putin + Russian = Mordor.

September 13, 2015 | marknesop.wordpress.com

Warren, September 13, 2015 at 5:35 am

Published on 10 Mar 2015
2014.gada 3.decembrī Latvijas Nacionālajā aizsardzības akadēmijā norisinājās otrā Drošības un stratēģiskās pētniecības centra starptautiskā akadēmiskā konference "Krievija un ģeopolitikas atgriešanās: Stratēģiskie izaicinājumi Rietumiem", kurā diskutēja par aktuālajiem drošības jautājumiem. Konferenci atklāja profesors Marks Galeoti no Ņujorkas Universitātes, kurš ir autors vairākām zinātniskām publikācijām par Krievijas stratēģiju.

Dec.3, 2014 the 2nd International Academic Conference "Russia and the Return of Geopolitics: Strategic Implications for the West" of the National Defence Academy of Latvia's Center for Security and Strategic Research took place in the National Defence Academy, where experts discussed international security issues. Conference was opened by professor Mark Galeotti from the New York University, who is is an author of numerous – scientific publications on the Russian strategy.

Vairāk informācijas / More information:
http://www.naa.mil.lv/Petnieciba/DSPC

Patient Observer, September 13, 2015 at 6:17 am

What is a "scientific publications on the Russian strategy"? Something like Putin=evil, Russian=scary; Putin + Russian = Mordor.

Jen, September 13, 2015 at 3:28 pm

The phrase "scientific publications on the Russian strategy" sound a lot like the Dutch Safety Board's forensic investigation of the MH17 disaster – only collect the evidence that supports an already existing narrative and ignore any other evidence until RT discovers it and films it.

Warren, September 13, 2015 at 6:16 pm

Make sure your publication is well referenced, preferably with plenty of footnotes from the likes of The Economist, Telegraph, Guardian, Henry Jackson Society, Freedom House, Peterson Institute, Atlantic Council and CEPA.

SmoothieX12, September 13, 2015 at 8:20 am
Excellent piece. The situation with military-political analysis re: Russia in the West is dire. Basically all "Soviet/Russian" studies complex in the US was solzhenitzified to the point of Russian history being unrecognizable. As per Falgenhauer–it is not that no one of position of power in Russian military and intelligence would talk to him (which they would not), it is the fact that even if they would it would do no good for a guy with degree in biology.

I never heard of any military officer (and I knew and know many) who went on to become brain surgeons, nor did I encounter brain surgeons who were specialists in Net Centric Warfare or Theory Of Operations (not the brain ones).

Information and knowledge are too very different things, most people do not recognize this critical difference.

[Sep 13, 2015] Whoring one's talent

"... Surely, these two (and many others in their "field") know on which side their bread gets buttered (with occasional black caviar bonus for the "politically correct" reporting). And we can't call it "whoring one's talent", right? Right?"
Sep 13, 2015 | marknesop.wordpress.com

Lyttenburgh, September 12, 2015 at 5:27 am

Honest and Objective (to the point of extreme rukopozhatnost' and sincere nepolzhivost') Mark Adomanis of the former True/Slant fame have visited Kiev/Kyiv/al-Kuyabia and made some mind-blowing discoveries:

On the Streets of Kiev
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"I've lost count of the number of headlines and articles which boldly proclaim that Kiev is "transformed." It's become one of those standby journalistic clichés: "transformed" Kiev is right there alongside wealthy London, brash New York, bleak, oppressive Moscow, and technologically-advanced Tokyo as short-hand. There has been such an unending sea of media comments that even people who have never set foot in Eastern Europe know all about the "new" Kiev.

[…]

"While there wasn't much in the way of change, there was even less evidence of "Europe" or "Europeanization." On the way from the airport I saw a sculpture that was intended to be the EU's insignia (I think it was actually of the Euro, but whatever) but that was pretty much the only physical manifestation of what was supposed to be a society-transforming change in consciousness. That doesn't mean the changes aren't real or that they haven't taken place, but it does mean that the daily rhythm of life seems fundamentally the same.

Indeed, the parking and driving habits on display still had a distinct note of Russianness about them: even on the block where the conference attendees were being housed (a rather posh part of downtown) cars were left haphazardly on the sidewalk. I even found an intersection where several Mercedes S-classes had been parked directly in the middle of a cross-walk. There are live-fire combat exercises that take less physical courage and skill than navigating that particular intersection.

[…]

It was frankly a relief that, at a time when Moscow is ever more consumed with hysterical politicization and when the economy is faring worse than any other time in recent memory, that everyday life in Kiev goes on much the same way it always has."
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I, and also the entirety of progressive humanity – all democratic journalists, kreakls, professional hipsters, Euro-Ukrs, gays and the Soviet era dissidents – shake hands of Mark Adomanis of the former True/Slant fame. Verily, verily – "the parking and driving habits on display still had a distinct note of Russianness about them". All signs of the centuries long oppression and forcible Russiphication of Proud and Culturally Superior Ukrs by Mongolo-Finno-Jewish-Ugrish Moscow's Khanate. The fact that Kievans/Kyivans/al-Kuyabia's citizens can't park a car properly points out either to their less then perfect ancestry or can be explained by actions of Kremlinite шпигуни and saboteurs. BTW – this is a universal explanation of everything happening in Ukraine and Mark must adopt it. Because how else can he explain that Ukraine's capital still doesn't look, smell and taste like Paris, London or New York?

marknesop, September 12, 2015 at 9:51 am
"It was frankly a relief that, at a time when Moscow is ever more consumed with hysterical politicization and when the economy is faring worse than any other time in recent memory, that everyday life in Kiev goes on much the same way it always has."

As always, Mark's core loyalty to western corporatism shines through at the end, and in his closing paragraph he manages to incorporate nostalgia for Kiev's success in maintaining its placid beauty as opposed to the "hysterical politicization" of Moscow, and encouragement for Washington's policy of squeezing the Russian economy until it breaks. Keep on with the sanctions, boys – success is within our grasp! Although both currencies have experienced a dramatic slide in exchange rate, one country has huge energy resources and large cash reserves while the other has none of either, but never mind!! Courage, comrades! Kiev is still beautiful!!

Lyttenburgh, September 12, 2015 at 9:51 pm

Mark, I admit – I'm bitter. What M.ADomanis and Galeotti have become is really unbearable for me.

Imagine someone, like writer, actor and/or musician whom you greatly admired some time ago, maybe even going so far as to claim "I grew up watching/reading/listening" this indivudual. And then he becomes Mel Gibson of today. That's what have become to Adomanis and Galeotti from my POV.

Now they are, like, different people. Surely, these two (and many others in their "field") know on which side their bread gets buttered (with occasional black caviar bonus for the "politically correct" reporting). And we can't call it "whoring one's talent", right? Right?

P.S. I wonder – what kind of conference (in Kiev of all places) did Mark Adomanis participated in?

Moscow Exile, September 12, 2015 at 9:59 am

The most obviously distinct note of "Russianness" amongst the vast majority of Ukrainians is, in my humble opinion, that they speak and understand Russian – and nobody is making them do it!

Lyttenburgh, September 12, 2015 at 9:55 pm

That', uh… a "Stockholm syndrome" on a national level! Yeah!

Whew! And for a moment I thought that I won't find a truly "svidomoje" explanation!

But Mark shows us that Ukraine is on a right track – "the Ukrainian flag was rather more prominently displayed in public places" and " [t]here might have been marginally more Ukrainian as opposed to Russian language signage since the last time I had visited".

Peremoga is imminent!

Pavlo Svolochenko, September 12, 2015 at 9:58 pm

Every peremoga is but a prelude to the next zrada.

Which is a prelude to the next peremoga.

День бабака.

Jen, September 12, 2015 at 2:58 pm
Reading Mark Adomanis' article, I get a sense of the conflict going on inside his mind as he tries to reconcile what he sees and hears on the ground with what he knows he's supposed to say. Hence you get expressions like "…. everyday life in Kiev goes on much the same way it always has" which are so ambiguous as to mean nothing at all; it seems Adomanis is counting on his readers to know little of what everyday life in Kiev has been like for a long time.

[Sep 13, 2015] The workings of the Bush administration by Professor David Gries

"By their deeds shall you know them."

Introduction

I am concerned with the way this administration operates. I am not talking about policy -whether we should be at war, or who is right about the economy. Instead, the focus is on what the administration does and how it does it.

The actions of this administration have run counter to Bush's statements of April 2000 and have divided this country as no other administration has done in recent memory.

"I will set a different tone. I will restore civility and respect to our national politics. ... I will work with Republicans and reach out to Democrats ... I will treat the other party with respect, and when we make progress, I will share the credit. ... I will unite our nation, not divide it. I will bring Americans together." George Bush, April 2000

In August 2004, I created the website www.howbushoperates.info , describing the Bush Administration as I saw it, hoping that enough people would read the website and not vote for Bush again. I was alarmed at what the Bush administration had done in 2001 to 2004, and I was even more alarmed at what another 4 years of Bush would do to the US and the world. I did my best, through this website, to help. But not enough people looked at it to make any difference. Perhaps I should have blogged, or something like that.

(You can see the original website on the Wayback machine.)

My worst fears have been realized. Four more years of this administration has ruined the economy not only of the US but of the world. This administration has taken steps to harm, rather than help, the environment. Through its bullying tactics and its actual approval of torture, the US has lost any of its moral authority, and we have lost the US the respect of the world. Its lack of respect for our Constitution, its suppression of and manipulation of information, its lies, its incompetence in handling the Iraq war, its complete lack of planning for the Iraw war and the aftermath --all of these have hurt the United States tremendously. And we, the people, are now paying for it.

This website is the original website www.howbushoperates.info, with a few minor changes. It will remain as long as I have a website. I don't want people to forget how bad this administration has been.

I have had to change some links because, over the years, some links have been broken. In order to compensate for further loss of links, on most articles, I have copied the original webpage onto this website, and it appears as a "local version".

Read this site and weep at the fact that the American People knew what this administration was like four years ago but still allowed him to take over the Presidency a second time. We have ourselves to blame.

I am concerned with the administration's:

  1. Lack of honesty, which has brought about lack of trust.
  2. Manipulation of information to further its goals.
  3. Secrecy, which has kept the American public and Congress from making sound judgements.
  4. Conflict of interest.
  5. Lack of respect for others.
  6. Lack of reasoning and compromise -the administration's way of responding to differing views seems to be to ridicule rather than reason.
  7. Belligerent and arrogant attitude and mode of operation, which has cost our country the respect and compassion of the rest of the world.

I do want an administration that is forceful and strong. But that strong administration has to be:

  1. Honest, trustworthy, ethical.
  2. Respectful of all people and all nations.
  3. Able to engage in dialogue and make decisions based on reason.
  4. Without conflict of interest.
  5. A Uniting force, rather than one that divides.

Everyone - Democrat, Republican, Green, independent, etc. - should be alarmed at what this administration has done and what it may do in the future, if re-elected. A resounding defeat in November is the only way to let the world know that the United States people do not tolerate such an administration.

The links in the left column are to short discussions that back up my opinions. Again, remember that it is not the policies and programs that are at issue here, although I have problems with some of them. Rather, the issue is the way this government has operated, in a self-serving, untrustworthy, unethical, disrespectful, and even nasty, manner.

United we stand. If we stay as divided as we have been divided by this administration, we fall.

If an administration has integrity, ethics, and character, then policies will fall into place, for the administration will be guided by the good of the country and will engage in open, honest, and meaningful dialogue with the whole nation. If an administration has no integrity, ethics, and character, then the nation better beware.

Ethics and family values

The actions of this administration display a disregard for the values which Bush speaks of. Its actions have lost the administration the respect and trust of half the nation. The world is even less trustful and respectful. Below, I give some examples of this. "These are universal values, values we share in all our diversity: Respect, tolerance, responsibility, honesty, self-restraint, family commitment, civic duty, fairness and compassion." George Bush. White House Conference on Character and Community, June 2002.

1. The administration lied to us about the need for going to war in Iraq. There were no weapons of mass destruction, and there was no link between Al Quaeda and Iraq. Iraq simply was not the terrorist country that we were told it was. I discuss it here.

The issue is not the war itself; it is the way the administration misled and lied to Congress and the people about why we should be in the war.

2. The Bush campaigns have repeatedly resorted to slander and inuendo. I discuss it here.

3. The Bush-Cheney campaign in Pennsylvania asked their volunteers to obtain the names and addresses of the members of their churches. This is not only unethical; a church involved in such an action would be in danger of losing their status as a tax-exempt religious organization. Some conservative church leaders have denounced this action, but the Bush-Cheney campaign defended it. I discuss it here.

4. The administration withheld information or doctored information in order to sway people and the Congress to their side. Click on "Secrecy" and "Wide-spread misuse of science" in the left column for some examples.

I cannot vote for an administration that has such disdain for ethics and values, that has so little respect for the people that it is supposed to be representing. I would feel better if more people felt this way, for the character of an administration is of utmost importance.

Lies about the need for war

The issue at hand is not whether we should be at war or not. It is the behavior of the administration in getting us into war -the lies that got us into the war and lost us the respect and trust of the world. "Some people think it's inappropriate to draw a moral line. Not me. For our children to have the lives we want for them, they must learn to say yes to responsibility . . . yes to honesty." George W. Bush, June 12, 1999

The administration got us into war with Iraq for three reasons, they say:

  1. To eliminate Saddam Hussein's WMD. It is clear that he had no WMD, and it is also clear that the administration knew it. In fact, in 2001, both Powell and Condoleezza Rice stated publicly that there were no WMD; two years later, they and the administration told a different story.
  2. To diminish the threat of international terrorism. There was no such threat. It was known that there were no connections between Hussein and Al Qaeda.
  3. To promote democracy in Iraq and surrounding areas. This is hypocrisy. In the 1980s, members of the administration, like Cheney and Rumsfeld, were quite happy to embrace Hussein and Iraq. At that time, even though they knew that Iraq was using chemical weapons against its own people, Cheney and Rumsfeld did not speak out or suggest that the U.S. discontinue its support of Hussein. Instead, they embraced Hussein and Iraq.

Rep. Henry Waxman has released a report of the U.S. House of Representatives (16 March 2004) that identifies 237 misleading statements about Iraq made by President George Bush, Vice President Richard Cheney, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of State Colin Powell, and National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice in 125 public appearances. How can you trust the administration? . Here is the report (pdf file). This webpage contains a search engine that allows you to view all the misleading statements (and see why it is misleading). These are official items from the U.S. House of Representatives.

This website (here it is as text only) shows ten lies made by the administration regarding why we went to war. With each statement, facts are given to prove that it was a lie. You can find hundreds of websites with the same theme.

Whether we should be at war now is a complex issue, and I don't address it. For me, what matters is that the administration lied to get its way. Such behaviour in such a serious context means that the administration cannot be trusted, and an administration that cannot be trusted is a danger to us all.

Dishonest politics

One expects the administration to be honest and open in dealing with Congress and in presenting its case to the people, and Bush said he would be.

But the behavior of this administration has been just the opposite. Besides its misrepresentations and lies about Iraq, here are some examples.

"And together we will create and America that is open .... I was not elected to serve one party, but to serve one nation. ... Whether you voted for me or not, I will do my best to serve your interests and I will work to earn your respect. I will be guided by President Jefferson's sense of purpose, to stand for principle, to be reasonable in manner, and above all, to do great good for the cause of freedom and harmony." George Bush, Acceptance Speech, 13 Dec 2000
  1. The Medicare bill. In November 2003, the House of Representatives passed a medical bill. Because of the rising deficit, they were worried about cost. Bush promised that it would cost $395 billion in the first 10 years. But the administration's own analysis in the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services had told the administration that it would cost over $550 billion. The bill would not have passed had the truth been known. Chief actuary Richard S. Foster was told he would be fired if he revealed the figures to lawmakers. Read about it here. Public Citizen has information on how drug companies and HMOs led an army of nearly 1,000 lobbyists to promote this misguided legislation, spending almost $141 million.
  2. Misuse of science. Click on the link on misuse of science on the left to see just how much this administration has attempted to use politics, hiding of facts, and misrepresentation of facts for its political gain.
  3. Hiding poverty numbers. The number of people living in poverty rose by 1.3 million in 2003. The Census Bureau Report on such things comes out in September. But the Bush administration had it appear in August instead, well before the Republican Convention and when people generally take vacations. Read about it here (here is a local version)
  4. Leaking news. Bush promised to do everything he could to fight the war on terror. Yet, in August, for their own political gain, the administration leaked the fact that alleged terrorist Kahn had been apprehended. Kahn was a key intelligence source, and the leak allowed several terrorists to escape. Read about it here (here is a local version).
  5. Ashcroft repeatedly lied to Congress about the administration's counter-terrorism effort. He told them terrorism had been his number 1 priority before 9/11; records show that he did not include it as one of the department's 7 goals, putting it as a subgoal beneath gun violence and drugs. He said that his predecessor's (Reno) plan did not mention counterterrorism, which was false. He lied about the amount of money that the FBI requested and that the administration gave the FBI. Read about it here (here is a local version).
  6. Condoleezza Rice repeatedly lied to 9/11 Commission. She made over ten false claims. For example, she said that the Bush Administration has been committed to the "transformation of the FBI into an agency dedicated to fighting terror." The truth is that before 9/11, Attorney General John Ashcroft de-emphasized counterterrorism at the FBI. Moreover, in the early days after the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, the White House cut by nearly two-thirds an emergency request for counterterrorism funds by the FBI. Read about it here (here is a local version).

Suppression of rights

Bush says he is for freedom and democracy, but his administration has not acted that way. The administration has held secret --and illegal-- deportation hearings. People have been hindered --sometimes illegally-- from voicing quiet protests at Bush appearances. And others have been investigated for no valid reason --partly because of the Patriot Act.

Many people in the US are really afraid of the suppressive tone of this administration.

"Not the violent conflict between parts of the truth, but the quiet suppression of half of it, is the formidable evil. There is always hope when people are forced to listen to both sides." John Stuart Mill.

"Restriction on free thought and free speech is the most dangerous of all subversions. It is the one un-American act that could most easily defeat us." William O. Douglas.

"Censorship reflects society's lack of confidence in itself. It is a hallmark of an authoritarian regime."
Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart.

Secret courts suppression of protesters Unwarranted investigations
Search the internet and you can find many more examples of unwarranted investigations and suppression of protestors.

1. Secret Visa courts are illegal. (Article ( local version) in Guardian Newspapers, 27 Aug 2002). The Bush administration held hundreds of deportation proceedings in secret. A federal appeal court found them to be illegal. Judge Damon Keith wrote in his ruling that, "Democracies die behind closed doors." The ruling describes the secrecy surrounding the government's response as "profoundly undemocratic". The ruling concludes that, "The executive branch seeks to uproot people's lives outside the public eye and behind a closed door."

2. Suppression of protest at Bush appearances. A number of people have been hindered or stopped from appearing at Bush evenets, even when these appearances were on public grounds. Some people have been arrested, with the case thrown out of court later. Others have not been allowed into Bush events, even though they were doing nothing wrong. In several situations, dissenters are expected to stay in a restricted zone, away from Bush or his motorcade, while non-dissenters are allowed to approach much more closeley. This kind of suppressionof free speech is frightening. Here are just a few examples, some of which go back to 2002.

Nicole and Jeff Rank (local version) were arrested in Charleston; the judge threw out the charges. Nicole was immediately fired from her job with the Federal Emergency Management Agency, but later reinstated with an apology. The City of Charleston said they should not have been arrested.

Daniel Finsel (local version) was arrested simply for carrying a sign at a Bush event.

Nelson (local version), an elected County supervisor in Wisconsin, was kicked out of Bush event for wearing a hidden Kerry shirt (the shirt was not showing, but someone had seen him in it earlier).

20 of 37 members (local version) of a Peace Action group were not allowed to fly from Milwaulkee to a protest in Washington because there names were on a "No fly" list. No one will say how their names got on it.

Anti-Bush students (local version) were completely silenced at their Ohio State Graduation when Bush came to speak.

Bill Neel (local version) was arrested in Butler, Pennsylvania; the district Justice threw the case out and returned his protest sign to him.

Jan Lentz, Sonja Haught, and Mauricio Rosas (local version) two grandmothers and a gay activist, were arrested for displaying dissenting opinions; others with pro-Bush signs were not. All charges were dropped.

3. Unwarranted investigations. Some people have been detained or investigated simply because they spoke out. Others, for what seems to be no reason at all. Here are some examples.

The Kjars were visited by the US Secret Service because they had a bumper sticker "KING GEORGE-Off With His Head".

Barry Reingold (local version) was visited by the FBI for speaking his mind about Bush, terrorism, and Afghanistan at a gymn.

Daniel Muller (local version) asked for 4,000 stamps without the American Flag on them. The police were called, and Muller was interrogated. He didn't get the stamps until the next day, and only after an interrogation by a federal postal inspector.

Incompetence

Suppression of dissent by the Bush administration is mentioned in several places of this website. Judging by what I read about the Iraq war, I conclude that the administration's lack of desire to listen seriously to dissenting opinions -basically their suppression of them- is responsible for his incompetence in leading the war. "I'm the Commander, see ... I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the interesting thing about being the President... [I] don't feel like I owe anybody an explanation." George Bush. See "Bush at War", by Bob Woodward

Yes, I mean incompetence. Although the troops have performed admirably, this war has not been led well. Bush may boast loudly about his war on terror, but his actions show incompetence. Do you remember 1 May 2003 (local version; the event used to be mentioned on the WhiteHouse website but was removed) when Bush flew onto the carrier, with a giant sign "Mission Accomplished" on it, and told us that "major combat operations have ended" and that we have prevailed --implying the war was won? Did that show any understanding of the situation? (Six months later, Bush disavowed any connection with that sign, but the White House later said that the White House asked a private vendor to produce it. See this article (local version)) And two weeks before, on 16 April 2003, Gen. Tommy Franks was telling commanders in Baghdad that it was time to make plans to pull forces out of Iraq. They simply did not understand the situation. (See this article (local version).)

Below are some points about the war. Some of them show that the Bush administration did not listen to advice. Others show that the Bush administration did not care about important issues and that they simply did not plan properly.

No plans for rebuilding Iraq Warnings about preventing looting ignored Inadequate planning, wrong expectations
Disbanding the Iraqi army the worst mistake Inadequate troop support Rumsfeld doesn't act on advice
Abu Ghraib fiasco 380 tons of powerful conventional explosives missing since April 2003 Washington Post cites Bush's failure to follow advice
Republican and Democrat Senators accuse Bush administration of incompetence in rebuilding Iraq

1. No plan for rebuilding Iraq. This article (local version)says that post-war planning was non-existent. It talks about a meeting of war planners and intelligence planners in March 2003 (the month the Iraq war started) in which a lieutenant colonol who was giving a briefing on the Pentagon's plans for rebuilding Iraq after the war could say only, "To Be Provided".

A veteran State Department officer involved directly in Iraq policy said, "We didn't go in with a plan. We went in with a theory." The report was, "based on official documents and on interviews with more than three dozen current and former civilian and military officials who participated directly in planning for the war and its aftermath." Search the web, and you will find many articles reporting that there was no plan for rebuilding Iraq. To top of page

2. Warnings about preventing looting ignored. After the US troops took Baghdad, the looting began (local version). Hospitals, schools, university buildings, and more were targets. The worst looting was at the Iraq Museum, which contained the largest collection of Near East artifacts in the world. For two days, the looting went on, with no one trying to stop them. Not only the collection but computers, furniture supplies -everything was taken. This looting of so many places showed complete lack of planning by the Bush administration.

The Bush administration was warned about looting! This site (local version)says that archeologists and others spoke repeatedly to the State Department, the Defense Department, and the Pentagon about the need to protect musuems. Further, the U.S. is a signatory to the Geneva Convention, which makes clear that the protection of mseums, hospitals, etc., are the responsibility of the occupying force.

This website (local version) says that the only sites that the US Forces guarded were the Ministry of Oil, the Ministry of Interior, and oil fields. The Bush administration respected and protected oil, but not the Geneva Convention or the people of Iraq. To top of page

3. Inadequate planning, wrong expectations. The administration did not expect the Iraq war to last this long. Remember when Bush landed on a carrier and declared victory, saying, "Major combat operations in Iraq have ended."? (From his speech on 2 May 2003) Paul Bremer said (local version), "There was planning, but planning for a situation that didn't arise." The Bush administration simply did not forsee what would happen.

On 1 April 2003, Rumsfeld sharply rebuked (local version) a senior battlefield commander for telling reporters that Pentagon planners failed to anticipate the fierce level of Iraqi resistance, and Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Myers complained that remarks by retired generals on TV was not helpful. These people were voicing rational but dissenting opinions, which the Bush administration did not want to hear.

In November 2003, John McCain criticized the Bush administration's conduct of the war and challenged Rumfeld's assertion that the 132,000 American troops in Iraq can defeat the insurgency in Iraq. "The simple truth is that we do not have sufficient forces in Iraq to meet our military objectives," said McCain.

An article in the Antagonist says that, "Prior to the war, the Army chief of staff, Gen. Eric K. Shinseki, said publicly that he thought the invasion plan lacked sufficient manpower, and he was slapped down by the Pentagon's civilian leadership for saying so," and that "During the war, concerns about troop strength expressed by retired generals also provoked angry denunciations by Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and Gen. Richard B. Myers, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff." Paul Bremer, administrator for the U.S.-led occupation government, has also said that there were not enough troops in May 2003.

The above paragraphs reinforce my opinion that this administration does not take criticism of its views easily and is swayed more by their ideology than by reason. To top of page

4. Disbanding the Iraqi army the worst mistake. In May 2003, a month or so into the war, Bremer disbanded the Iraqi army. The order was reversed a month later, but then it was too late. Retired Marine Gen. Anthony C. Zinni called the move the Bush administration's "worst mistake" in postwar Iraq. This mistake left a vaccuum. It left hundreds of soldiers with no work. This article looks at the poor planning and follow-through that caused this mistake. To top of page

5. Inadequate troop support. An article in washingtonpost.com says that Army Lt. Gen. Ricardo S. Sanchez wrote to the pentagon in winter 2004 that "I cannot continue to support sustained combat operations with rates this low." He complained about lack of spare parts for helicopters and tanks. Also, "his soldiers still needed protective inserts to upgrade 36,000 sets of body armor but that their delivery had been postponed twice in the month before he was writing."

This comes on the heels of reports that a group of soldiers refused to go on a mission because their vehicles were dangerously out of repair and didn't have proper armour on them.

On 1 October 2004, Bush said (local version), "When America puts our troops in harm's way, I believe they deserve the best training, the best equipment, and the whole-hearted support of our government. " His actions are not consistent with his words. To top of page

6. Rumsfeld doesn't act on advice. This 30 September 2004 (local version) says that a study commisioned by Rumsfeld says that "the military doesn't have enough people for its current pace of missions." But Rumsfeld is not acting on the commissions recommendations. What is more important, having enough troops to carry out all missions or postponing any such actions until after the election? To top of page

7. The Abu Graib fiasco. We have all seen horrible pictures of Abu Graib, and we know that prisoners were tortured and humiliated. I don't know whether officers were involved or whether orders came from the top to torture in this manner. But at the least, this fiasco shows incompetence at all levels. We storm Iraq as "liberators"; why weren't there procedures in place to ensure that prisoners would be treated properly, so that the Iraqis would see us as friends and not enemies? Why weren't all soldiers and civilians told to respect all Iraqis and their customs, even prisoners? How do you expect to be viewed as friendly liberators if you don't treat people respectfully?

The blame for this fiasco, in my mind, falls squarely on the Bush administration for not preparing soldiers and civilians properly.

See this article (local version) for a good discussion of this issue. To top of page

8. 380 tons of explosives missing. We are just learning (late October 2004) that 380 tons of powerful conventional explosives have been missing since April 2003, after the U.S. invaded Iraq. A NY Times article (local version) of 25 October 2004 says that the facility was supposed to be under U.S. military control but is now a no-man's land. The U.S. was warned about this stockpile of explosives before the war. Only incompetent planning could have led to such a fiasco, which puts the whole world in danger. To top of page

9. Washington Post cites Bush's failure to listen to advice. On 24 October, the Washington Post Editorial (local version) endorsed Kerry for President. The Editorial found good and bad things to say about both Bush and Kerry. But the Editorial says essentially the same thing I do: Bush's character and ethics did not let him listen to advice, in particular, in planning for postwar reconstruction. The Editorial, says that, "the damage caused by that willful indifference is incalculable." The Editorial also says that "the administration repeatedly rebuffed advice to commit sufficient troops. Its disregard for the Geneva Conventions led to a prison-torture scandal ...."

Bush talks a good game; he has everyone believing that only he can handle the terrorists. However, the facts say that he has been incompetent in leading the war effort.

10. Republican and Democrat Senators accuse Bush administration of incompetence. An article in USA Today (local version), 16 Sept. 2004, says that several Senators, including the two top Republicans on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Chairman Richard Lugar of Indiana and Chuck Hagel of Nebraska, accuse the Bush administration of incompetence in its efforts to rebuild Iraq. Of $13 billion pledged by other countries to rebuild Iraq, only $1.2 billion had been spent. The article goes into more details.

Transferring full sovereignty. On 24May 2004, Bush said that (local version), "The first of these steps will occur next month, when our coalition will transfer full sovereignty to a government of Iraqi citizens ...." It was a lie, and everyone knew it. He knew he could not transfer full sovereignty, and he has not done so. Why does he lie so purposely? And it was not an error, for he repeated it at least in one other instance.

Flaunting and tampering with the regulatory process

Agencies issue rules and regulations to flesh out and implement laws passed by Congress. Agencies must go through an open and transparent process in making regulations, including obtaining comments from the public and justifying what they do in a written record.

The Bush administration has tampered with this process, sometimes illegally, and has made widespread misuse of this process. In many cases, its use of the regulatory process has not been in the interests of the public.

"Secrecy and a free, democratic government don't mix." Harry S. Truman

"I'm the Commander, see ... I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the interesting thing about being the President... [I] don't feel like I owe anybody an explanation." George Bush. See "Bush at War", by Bob Woodward

Below, we outline some of the things this administration has done to the regulatory process and give you details on some specific cases. Some of this material (but not all) is culled from a Report by OMB Watch (pdf file), a nonpartisan, nonprofit research and advocacy center founded in 1983 that "promotes an open, accountable government responsive to community needs". We urge you to read it to see the extent of what this administration is doing. Many of these points can be found in other places on the internet.

1. Illegally freezing the regulatory process 2. Postponing regulations until after the election 3. Forbidding public release of data
4. Tuberculosis testing: an example of increasing secrecy 5. Protecting coal workers 6. Subtle changes

1. Freezing the regulatory process. On inauguration day 2001, the Bush administration issued a directive to stop the processing of all regulations until it had reviewed them. Some of these regulations had already been published and were to go into affect some time later, and their postponement was illegal. Under governing law, an agency may not adopt a proposal to change a rule's effective date, but the directive suggested that agencies not seek public comment. This one directive illustrates the lack of respect this administration would have for the public throughout its tenure.

Hundreds of regulations, some of which had been in the process of development for years and years were stopped in their tracks. No other administration had ever issued such a blanket statement.

A report of the Majority Staff of the U.S. Senate (pdf file), ordered by Senator Lieberman, discusses this freezing. This report also goes into detail on three regulations that had already been issued and whose suspension was done without the required justification: (1) A rule concerning roadless forests. (2) A rule regulating hardrock mining on public lands. (3) A rule to lower allowable arsenic content in water. Two of these regulations were significantly weakened; the third was adopted only after a long struggle, mainly because the Bush administration could not find the scientific data to back up its case. To top of page

2. Postponing rules until after the election. A NY Times article on 27 September 2004 reports that the administration is postponing the adoption of regulations because of heavy lobbying by industry. One regulation would sharply restict what can be in cattle feed. The article says that the National Cattlemen's Beef Association broke its nonpartisan tradition and endorsed President Bush for re-election after the postponement. Other postponements have to do with prescription coverage under Medicare, healthcare, the environment, and telecommunication. The message is that big business takes preference over the needs and safety of the public. To top of page

3. Forbidding public release of data and other business-pleasing changes. A NY Times article from 27 August 2004 says that a new regulation forbids public release of data relating to unsafe motor vehicles. The article goes on to say that the adminsitration has been quietly changing health rules, environmental initiatives, and safety standards in ways that please business but dismay interest groups that represent the public.

4. Tuberculosis testing: an example of increasing secrecy. This item is from an article in WashingtonPost.com. Since 1993, regulations for dealing with tuberculosis prevention have been under developed. The Bush administration stopped the process when it ame into office. Then, on 31 December 2003, it canceled the process completely.

The article says that this is just one of many example of how the Bush administration ahs been using the regulatory process to redirect government out of the public eye. Bush has canceled more regulatory processes that he inherited than he has completed, and many of them have been canceled after years and years of work. The regulatory process has been changed profoundly, and it is has been at the expense of openness and public scrutiny. top of page

5. Protecting coal workers. An article in the NY Times on 9 August 2004 discusses how the administration is weakening and removing safety regulations for mining coal. One proposal to update technology to better protect workers in two-story-high trucks was scrapped in 2001; since then, 16 miners have been killed in hauling accidents. To top of page

6. Subtle changes. An article in WashingtonPost.com from 17 August 2004 discusses subtle, almost unnoticed changes in regulations that have profound effects. With regard to mountain-top removal to get at coal, a change reclassifying the debris from objectionable "waste" to legally acceptable "fill" makes it easier to dump mining debris into explicitly protected streambeds. One proposal would scale back the federal government's legal obligation to police state mining agencie, by reclassifying certain duties from "nondiscretionary" to "discretionary".

The Haliburton affair: conflict of interest at its worst

The issue of the company Haliburton represents the worst, in terms of conflict of interest and even corruption. It shows how much people in this government can do for their own self-interest and the interest of their friends if not held in check. "There is a fundamental difference of opinion in Washington, and it starts with folks in Washington forgetting whose money we're spending. All that money is not the government's money; it's the working people's money." George Bush, 3 September 2001

The White House would rather you not know about the Haliburton affair. Even though Cheney was CEO of Haliburton for five years before becoming Vice President, this is not mentioned in the White House biography of Cheney (as of 7 August 2004) --see http://www.whitehouse.gov/vicepresident/. (In case the White House changes this page, here is what it looked like, without the images, on 7 August 2004).

Below, we give a brief history of Haliburton. But first we note that Haliburton favoritism has been going on (local version) in spite of the Corps of Engineers' chief contracting officer objecting to it. She refused to sign the contract. Her signature is required, but they let it go through with her assistant's signature. She was threatened with demotion after raising the issue. This information has just come to light in the last few weeks. See also this article (local version).

Brief history of Haliburton:

1. Early 1990s. Cheney, as Secretary of Defense, gives contracts to Halliburton to rebuild facilities in Kuwait that had been destroyed in the first Persian Gulf war.

2. Early 1990 to 1993. Cheney, as Secretary of Defense, commissions Halliburton to do a classified (secret) study concerning replacing the U.S. military's logistics by work done by private companies. Halliburton says, yes, a company can do the work. In August 1992, with essentially no bidding, Halliburton is selected by the US Army Corps of Engineers to do all work needed to support the military for the next five years! Thereafter, Halliburton (or its subsidiary KBR) and its military logistics business escalated rapidly. In the ten years thereafter revenues totaled $2.5 billion.

3. 1995-2000. Cheney is CEO of Halliburton. Under Cheney, Halliburton increases its offshore tax havens from 9 to 44, cutting its taxes from $302 million in 1998 to an $85 million refund in 1999. That's almost $400 million they took from taxpayers in one year.

4. During Cheney's tenure at Haliburton, Halliburton did business with countries like Azerbaijan, Indonesia, Iraq, Libya, Iran, and Nigeria even though the US had imposed strict sanctions on them. They skirted sanctions, and they lobbied against sanctions. Some of this business was illegal, and Halliburton was fined for it.

5. Spring 2000. Cheney heads Bush's Vice-Presidential Search committee --while continuing as CEO of Halliburton. He ends up picking himself as Vice President.

6. July 2000. Cheney is asked whether Halliburton or its subsidaries were trying to do business with Iraq. He says no; he had a firm policy that they wouldn't do anything in Iraq, even if it was legal. This was a blatant lie: subsidiaries sold over $73 million in oil-production parts to Iraq.

7. 2000. As CEO of Halliburton, Cheney clears $20 million in one year, after taxes.

8. July 2000. Cheney's severance package from Halliburton (as CEO) is far and above what other company officers got when they left --some say it is as high as $62 million in stocks and stock options.

9. December 2001. KBR (Halliburton subsidiary) is granted an open-ended contract for Army troops supply and Navy construction, wherever U.S. troops go, for the next 10 years (so far, Afghanistan, the Philippines, Yemen, Iraq). This unique contract has no ceiling on cost. KBR is reimbursed for every dollar spent plus a base fee of 1 percent, which guarantees profit. Plus, they can get a bonus as a percentage of company costs.

10. January 2003. Bush sends a letter to Congress exercising his authority, as president, to waive section 9007, thus removing sanctions and allowing assistance to oil-rich Azerbaijan (see point 4). This administration invites the head of Azerbaijan to the White House, even though this person was the main reason for earlier sanctions against Azerbaijan. Reason? Azerbaijan has oil.

11. September 2003. Cheney states that when he became Vice President, he severed all ties with Halliburton, as required by law. This was a lie. Government accounting offices said that the compensation he continues to receive is a conflict of interest.

12. Dec 2003. Halliburton, without competitive bidding, is given a contract to restore the Iraqi oil sector. It is billed initially as a contract for putting out oil-well fires, something in which Halliburton has little expertise. It turns out that the contract is really for the full restoration of the oil business in Iraq. It is kept secret because of the "emergency conditions". It is one of the highest military logistics contracts in history.

13. June 2004. Cheney has said all along that he had no contact with government officials who coordinated Halliburtons many contracts with the military. A March 2003 Pentagon email refutes this claim. It says that action on a no-bid Halliburton contract to rebuild Iraq's oil industry was "coordinated" with Cheney's office. This has to do with a no-bid contract given to Halliburton for rebuilding Iraq.

14. August 2004. The SEC (Security Exchange Comission) levies a fine of $7.5 million on Halliburton for illegal accounting changes in 1998, when Cheney was CEO of Halliburton. Some people think that politics may have shielded Cheney and others from being held more accountable.


Serious doubts remain about whether a company with a record like Halliburton's should even be eligible to receive government contracts in the first place. This company has been accused of cost overruns, tax avoidance, and cooking the books and has a history of doing business in government-sanctioned countries like Iraq, Iran, and Libya. Many of Halliburton's no-bid contracts are allowed because of waivers by the Bush administration that allow government agencies to handpick companies for Iraqi

World opinion

We live in an increasingly smaller -and dangerous- world, and all countries must work together to solve all the problems. The United States, as the one remaining "superpower", bears a special responsibility to use its strength for the good of the world. This requires a president who has the trust and respect of leaders around the world. We had that with Kennedy, Carter, Reagan, and Clinton.

"But in the international online media, the vast majority of commentators are harshly critical of President George W. Bush. On every continent pundits are faulting Bush for his persona as well as his policies. Most dislike his conduct of the war in Iraq. Many say his attitude toward the rest of the world is contemptuous, misinformed and dangerous." Jefferson Morley, WashingtonPost .com (local version), 30 Aug 2004.

But, through his belligerent, arrogant, uncompromising, extremist attitude, Bush has lost all trust and respect. The message that this administration has sent to the world is (to quote Carl Bernstein), "the imperialist states can do what they want; the semi-colonial states must do what they are told." The support after 9/11 has given way to the vision of the United States as an imperial power of the worst kind. We are now simply an arrogant bully.

Condoleezza Rice sends the message when she defends the administration's refusal to join with all other countries in supporting an international war crimes court. She said, "The United States is special because it is a bigger target with forces all over the world. So maybe there is some difference in interests there." So, we are special. You little guys go work together; we'll save the world on our own.

Jimmy Carter, at the Democratic Convention in summer 2004, said, "Unilateral acts and demands have isolated the United States from the very nations we need to join us in combating terrorism." In just 34 months, he said, "all the goodwill [after 9/11] was squandered by a virtually unbroken series of mistakes and calculations."

Being strong does not mean you have to lose respect. John Kennedy was strong, but he had everyone's respect.

To see the opinion the world has, type in "opinion bush world" into the search engine google and read the articles that are found. The bottom of this page contains links to a few such articles.

The administration shows no sign of changing its operations and attitudes toward the rest of the world. Re-election would be a disaster.

Some facts

  1. The table on the left is from a newly released poll (9 September 2004) (local version) taken over the summer.
  2. An opinion poll (local version) by CBSNEWS.com (4 March 2004) reported these percentages of people who had a negative view of Bush: Britain, 66%; Canada, 66%; Spain, 75%; France, 80%; Germany, 80%, Mexico, over 50%, Italy, over 50%.
  3. In June 2003 (local version), a poll showed that nearly 2/3 of the British had an unfavourable opinion of Bush. Asked who is more dangerous to world peace and stability, United States was rated higher than al-Qaeda by respondents in both Jordan (71%) and Indonesia (66%). The US was rated more dangerous than Iran by people in Jordan, Indonesia, Russia, South Korea, and Brazil and more dangerous than Syria by respondents all the countries polled, except for Australia, Israel, and the United States.
  4. This page (local version) contains information on a number of polls like the ones mentioned above.

Do these polls matter? A leader leads with trust and respect. It is obvious that the Bush administration can no longer lead the world.

The isolationist, extremist attitude of the administration

Zbigniew Brzezinski, President Carter's National Security Advisor, said in June 2004, "It is not only the Iraq policy of the Bush administration that has caused this [the opinion of the world to turn against the United States]. The Bush administration is the first administration since the onset of the Cold War 50 years ago not to place itself in the political mainstream, not to reflect moderation, not to practice at least de facto bipartisanship, but to embrace extremist principles. Inevitably, extremism produces recklessness." The administration has become increasingly isolated from the world, due to its attitudes and its refusal to engage with other countries.

Below is a list of examples. Taken one at a time, one might find valid reasons for it. Taken together, one gets the feeling that this administration feels that it can do everything by itself. It is not leading, it is bullying.

  1. Started the War on Iraq without UN sanction for it.
  2. Refused to join with other countries in the international war crimes court.
  3. Refused to sign agreement on limiting the transfer of small weapons.
  4. Walked out of a biological weapons convention agreed to by 143 nations.
  5. Refused to sign treaty barring anti-personnel land mines.
  6. Withdrew from anti-ballistic missile treaty.
  7. Refused to sign the Kyoto agreement.

Links to a few articles

1. World opinion moves against Bush. Article (local version) by Simon Tisdall in the Guardian unlimited, 23 January 2003.

2. Bush withdraws from the world. Article (local version) by Ronald Asmus in The Age, 21 August 2004.

3. Foreign views of US darken after Sept 11. Article (local version) in the NY Times.

4. Bush turns Europe's consensus on its head. Article (no longer available; obtained from Wayback machine) in the Telegraph [UK], 20 September 2003.

5. Billionaire Soros blasts Bush, calls on President to honor world opinion. article (local version) in Post-gazette.com, 28 February 2003.

6. Mr. Bush is abusing both the UN and international law. Article (local version) by Jonathan Power in New War on Terror, 14 October 2001.

7. World opinion is more hostile to America than at any time in our history. Article (local version) in NPQ by Zbigniew Brzezinski, 1 June 2004.

8. History lesson: GOP must stop Bush. Article (local version) by Carl Bernstein in USA Today, 23 May 2004.

9. Bush demeanor fuels dissent. Article (local version) by Vijay Ramanavarapu in The Lantern, 10 March 2003.

10. Bush at the UN: Washington's war ultimatum to the world. Article (local version) by Editorial board, World Socialist Web Site, 13 September 2002.

11. Bush's unilateralism aggravates world's problems. Article (local version) by Robert F. Drinan, National Catholic Reporter, 10 January 2003.

12. BBC News: World wants Kerry as President, 9/7/2004. Article. (Here's a local, text copy)

Secrecy

The Bush administration would have you believe that it is a government for the people and by the people. The way the government operates suggests just the opposite. It is secretive and manipulative, attempting to show us only what it wants us to see. Below are examples. For more, see this website (local version). "Secrecy and a free, democratic government don't mix." Harry S. Truman

"I'm the Commander, see ... I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the interesting thing about being the President... [I] don't feel like I owe anybody an explanation." George Bush. See "Bush at War", by Bob Woodward

1. Undermining laws that promote public access 2. Curtailing freedom of information 3. Dept. of Justice hides its skeletons
4. Hiding presidential papers 5. Hiding energy task force info 6. Altering an EPA report
7. Blocking an EPA warning 8. Hiding cuts in National Park Services 9. Altering 9/11 facts
10. Opposing the 9/11 commission 11. Censoring the Supreme Court 12. Ending the viewing of coffins
13. Suppressing info on snowmobiles 14. Auto safety info no longer public 15. No protection for federal whistleblowers

1. The Henry Waxman report. An extensive report released by Rep. Henry Waxman shows that the Bush administration has consistently undermined the laws that promote public access to government records while systematically expanding the laws that authorize secret government operations. Here is an official report (pdf file) of the U.S. House of Representatives. Below, I show just a few of the items that I collected before finding this report. To top of page

2. Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). When the FOIA was enacted in 1966, President Johnson said, "No one should be able to pull curtains of secrecy around decisions that can be revealed without injury to the public interest." The Clinton memorandum (pdf file) told his government about the importance of the FOIA and instructed them to follow it in letter and spirit. The Ashcroft memorandum (pdf file) does the opposite: it expressly encourages agencies to look for reason to deny access to information. To top of page

3. The U.S. Dept. of Justice. After disregarding requests for more than a year for a consultant's study about the department's efforts to ensure diversity, the department released the 186-page document-with many lines and pages blacked out. It took more effort to get the whole document. It looks like the administration's policies on FOIA (see pt. 1) were being followed. Here are some of the sentences that had been blacked out:

  1. Minorities are substantially more likely to leave the Department than whites.
  2. Minorities are significantly under-represented in management ranks.
  3. Minorities perceive unfairness in a number of human resources practices, such as hiring and promotion.

Here is the blacked-out report (pdf file) and the real report (pdf file). Read about it here (local version). To top of page

4. Presidential papers and executive privilege. The Presidential Records Act of 1978 makes presidential records public property and requires that the records be made public 12 years after a presidency has ended. Therefore, the Reagan-Bush papers should have been made public when Bush, Jr. became president. But Bush immediately signed an excutive order keeping them hidden, and potentially indefinitely. What doesn't Bush want you to see? A coalition has filed suit in federal court, but the case has not yet been settled. Read about it here (local version). To top of page

5. Who was on the energy task force? In January 2001, Bush created an energy task force, under the direction of Cheney. This task force met and submitted recommendations to Congress. Congress asked to see the list of task-force members. The Bush administration refused, and the case is now in the courts. Why shouldn't we all be able to know who was on the committee? Wouldn't you like to know who is making energy policy for the nation? Why the secrecy? To top of page

6. Altering an EPA Report. The White House forced (local version) the Environmental Protection Agency to remove from its 2003 report on the state of the environment large sections that talked about the risks of global warming. For more examples of such actions, click on "Widespread misuse of science" in the left column. To top of page

7. Blocking an EPA Warning. The White House blocked a nationwide alert by the EPA about the danger of a certain kind of insulation that contained a dangerous asbestos for over a year. St. Louis Dispatch, December 29, 2003. (pdf file) To top of page

8. Hiding cuts in National Parks Services. In Spring 2004, the Interior Department was criticized for making cuts in visitors services and then trying to hide the cuts from the public. According to the memo, "the majority of Northeast Region Parks are beginning this fiscal year with fewer operating dollars than in FY03. Additionally, the absorption of pay costs, necessary assessments and other rising, fixed costs have further eroded operating dollars." The memo suggested using the term "service level adjustment" instead of "cut". The memo also said,

We will need to be sure that adjustments are taken from as many areas as is possible so that it won't cause public or political controversy. ...

and

A statement about cutting 10 seasonal positions does tells us how that affects the visitor so you must put it into words that describe service level adjustments to visitors, resource protection, facility operations, etc.

Here is the memo (pdf file). Here is an article about it (local version). To top of page

9. Altering facts during 9/11. Directly after 9/11, the White House forced (local version) the EPA to change its statements about public health risks in NY to make them sound less alarming. To top of page

10. The 9/11 Commission. Bush opposed the creation of the 9/11 commission, whose purpose (local version) was to find out how the goverment dealt with terror that morning. He gave in to pressure, and it was created. The administration stalled (local version) in letting the Commission read crucial documents, and the Commission had to ask for an extension of time as well as more funds. These were given only after pressure from Congress and the press. The administration tried to place (article no longer accessible) all sorts of restrictions on who could read certain documents and what they could do with them. To top of page

The administration refused to let anyone from the administration testify before the Commission. Again, only after pressure, did Bush himself and Condoleezza Rice testify, and only under certain conditions. This website (local pdf version) outlines how the administration sought to obstruct and discredit the 9/11 investigation. To top of page

11. Censoring the Supreme Court. In documentation for a case concerning the ACLU and the Patriot Act, the Justice Department blacked out passages that it felt should not be publically released, ostensibly for national security reasons. Here is one passage that was blacked out-not for security reasons but in order to stifle dissent:

"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect 'domestic security.' Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent."

As the webpage (local version) from which we got this says, this is a blatant misuse of power. To top of page

12. Ending media coverage of returning coffins. The administration banned the filming of coffins with killed soldiers arriving from Iraq. The reason, most people admit, is that it hurt the administration's image. Here's an article on it (local version). To top of page

13. Snowmobiles in Yellowstone. The administration touted the use of "quieter" snowmobiles in Yellowstone, even though they knew months earlier that the new snowmobiles were actually much louder. They simply suppressed the information (local version). To top of page

14. Auto safety data no longer public. A two-paragraph decision buried deep in the Federal Register makes previously public information relating to unsafe automobiles or defective parts unavailable to the public. Few people knew about this act, but awareness is growing. Here's a blog on it (local version) from 18 August 2004. To top of page

15. Bush administration doesn't want whistleblowers. (Article (local version) in the NY Times, 3 Oct 2004.) Whistleblowers are people who report fraud, waste, or wrongdoing when their employers dismiss their concerns. Whistleblowers are acting in the interests of the public, and they need protection. A bill before Congress would increase the very poor protections for federal employees, but the Bush administration doesn't want the new law.

On 15 March 2004 (pdf file), four Congressmen wrote to Bush, asking him and his administration not to retaliate against a Medicare official who came out with the fact that administration officials told him he would be severely reprimanded if he gave certain information to Congress. They cited two recent cases where the Whitehouse had tried to discredit whistleblowers.

Here are examples of what has happened to federal worker whistleblowers under this administration:

  • Two Border Patrol agents, Mark Hall and Robert Lindemann, were disciplined after they disclosed weaknesses in security along the Canadian border.
  • Teresa C. Chambers was dismissed from her job as chief of the US Park Police after she said the agency did not have enough money or personnel to protect parks and monuments in the Washington area.
  • The top Medicare official threatened to fire Richard S. Foster, the chief Medicare actuary, if he provided data to Congress showing the cost of the new Medicare law, which exceeded White House estimates.
  • Airport baggage screeners say they have been penalized for raising concerns about aviation security. But in August, an independent federal agency, the Merit Systems Protection Board, ruled that they had none of the whistleblower rights available to other federal employees. The government, it said, can "hire, discipline and terminate screeners without regard to any other law.''
  • Bunny Greenhouse, the chief contracting officer of the Corps of Engineers, refused to sign a Haliburton contract, citing violations. She was threatened with demotion. See this website (local version). To top of page
Misuse of science
The Union of Concerned Scientists investigated the misuse of science by the Bush administration. So far, over 5300 scientists have signed a statement supporting the resulting report (March 2004), including Nobel laureates, leading medical experts, former federal agency directors, and university chairs and presidents. "Science, like any field of endeavor, relies on freedom of inquiry; and one of the hallmarks of that freedom is objectivity. Now more than ever, on issues ranging from climate change to AIDS research to genetic engineering to food additives, government relies on the impartial perspective of science for guidance." President George H.W. Bush, 1990

Here are the findings of the investigation:

1. There is a well-established pattern of suppression and distortion of scientific findings by high-ranking Bush administration political appointees across numerous federal agencies. These actions have consequences for human health, public safety, and community well-being.

2. There is strong documentation of a wide-ranging effort to manipulate the government's scientific advisory system to prevent the appearance of advice that might run counter to the administration's political agenda.

3. There is evidence that the administration often imposes restrictions on what government scientists can say or write about "sensitive" topics.

4. There is significant evidence that the scope and scale of the manipulation, suppression, and misrepresentation of science by the Bush administration are unprecedented.

The investigation found not one or two incidences but a widespread practice of abuse, ranging from deleting material in reports to undermining the quality and integrity of the appointment process. The report says that,

This behavior by the administration violates the central premise of the scientific method, and is therefore of particularly grave concern to the scientific community. But it should also concern the American public, which has every right to expect its government to formulate policy on the basis of objective scientific knowledge in policies that affect the health, well-being and safety of its citizens.

Here is the executive summary (as a pdf file), and here is the full report (as a pdf file). If you are a scientist, please take the time to read the discussion and the report and, if you are so inclined, sign the statement of support.

What they do counts, not what they say

If the administration has integrity, ethics, and character, then policies will fall into place,
for the administration will be guided by the good of the country, and
it will engage in open, honest, and meaningful dialog with the whole nation.

If an administration has no integrity, ethics, and character, then the nation better beware.

Politicians may promise something but don't always deliver. They may say one thing but do another.

We tend to get our information from TV, in small messages, political ads, and speeches that are designed to sway us rather than to give us information. In this sense, TV has been the worst thing for politics, for it emphasizes show and entertainment rather than content.

Today, it is best to go by what people do rather than what they say.

"This television image can have its disadvantages. One of the most prevalent drawbacks is that it shifts the electorate's - and the candidate's - attention from his policy to his image. People will judge the candidate on looks rather than ideas." John Gans

"Television inherently simplifies complex ideas into emotional, self-oriented moral and political impulses." Jeffrey Scheur

"His [Kerry's] very skill in oratory may be his undoing, because in the political arena, the era of oratory is over. We live in the moment of the sound bite." Allan Metcalf

I suggest:

  1. Don't be swayed by political ads and speeches.
  2. Use discrimination, and compare what people say with what they do.

We can only estimate what a Kerry administration will do because he has not been president. But he has been a Senator for 20 years, and we can go look at his record there. There have been some issues of his honesty in campaigning again Weld in 1996, and there is talk of his and his wife's money, but I do not find the large patterns of secrecy, lies, abuse of power, and conflict of interest that I see with the Bush administration.

Consequently, I would expect a Kerry presidency to exhibit far more integrity, honesty, and openness -qualities that the Bush administration has lacked. For me, the character of the administration is far more important than its policies. With a good character, the policies will take care of themselves. This administration, through its actions, as discussed in the links to the left, have shown a complete lack of character and integrity.

If you are a scientist (or engineer) and you support the investigative report of the Union of Concerned Scientists, then please sign the statement of support.

And, if you agree in general with this website, tell your friends about it.

Websites

  • Bushsecrecy.org. A project of Public Citizen, a not-for-profit organization founded in 1971 to to represent consumer interests (that means your interests) in Congress, the executive branch and the courts.
  • Center for American Progress. Contains articles on all sorts of topics, e.g. Environment to the Iraq War to the Bush Administration's conflict with the 9/11 Commission.
  • Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington. Helps Americans use the justice system to shine a light on those who betray public trust.
  • Common Cause. Founded in 1970 by John Gardner, former Secretary of Health, Education and Welfare. A non-partisan citizen's lobbying group.
  • MoveOn PAC. MoveOnPAC's campaign contributions provide financial support to congressional candidates who embrace moderate to progressive principles of national government.
  • People for the American Way. "An energetic advocate for the values and institutions that sustain a diverse democratic society"..

This website is not written lightly. I am a computer scientist. I have been teaching and researching for over 35 years. I generally have little to do with politics, and I do not belong to a political party. No one is paying me to do this. I have no agenda except to see the people of the U.S. work together, in harmony and peace, for the good of everyone in the country and the world.

I believe that the statements in this website are based on facts.

[Sep 12, 2015] Declining oil prices: OPEC vs. (future) Shale?

December 16, 2014 | english.alarabiya.net

When the late John D. Rockefeller, one of America's earliest global business barons, was asked the secret of success, he quipped: "Get up early, work late and strike oil." Of course, as founder of Standard Oil in the year 1870, he certainly got up early, and worked late as he built an empire of oil that made him the richest man in the world by the early 20th century.

Since then, oil has come to rival water as one of the most essential commodities necessary for modern human life and, thus, the countries and companies that produce, extract, refine, and sell it are among the richest on earth. Rockefeller's advice still holds.

Norway's sovereign wealth fund is not far off a trillion dollars and Saudi cash reserves clock in at nearly $800 billion. The world's leading energy companies report earnings in the billions every quarter.

Partly as a result of the U.S. energy boom, oil prices have hit a five-and-a-half-year low

Afshin Molavi

Thus, it's no surprise that the current near 50 percent drop in oil prices since June of this year has captured global headlines and spawned numerous narratives: OPEC and/or Saudi Arabia vs U.S. shale oil, one of the more popular ones, and Saudi Arabia/UAE vs Iran/Russia a secondary one. But as with most popular narratives, there is a deeper issue at play here.

Bristling theories

First, let us dispense with the Russia/Iran squeeze play story. Theories are rife about a Saudi squeeze play on Iran, a country with far less cash reserves than the UAE, Kuwait, or Saudi Arabia. Iran, the theory goes, will face far more difficulty with the declining oil price than Arab members of OPEC. That's why Saudi Arabia chose not to "defend" the price through cuts in production, the theory goes.

With a break-even budget price of oil ranging in the $130-$140 range, according to the IMF, a sanctioned Iran with little access to capital markets can hardly handle a sustained oil price decline. Russia, too, faces a tide of rising sanctions and they, too, are hurt by the global decline in prices. By squeezing Russia, the argument goes, Riyadh would be "punishing" Moscow for its support of President Bashar al-Assad.

There may be some truth to this, but to truly do significant damage to Iran or Russia, the price decline would need to be larger and over a longer period of time. With large, fiscal expansionary budgets in Saudi Arabia and the UAE, such a move would risk cutting off the nose to spite the face.

Larger play

No, there is a larger play here than Iran or Russia. So, is it U.S. shale oil? Is the play to let the price drop squeeze out U.S. shale oil producers who need a higher global price to make their projects sustainable?

Today, the U.S. is producing more oil than it has done in three decades. Over the summer, the U.S. surpassed Russia and Saudi Arabia as the world's largest oil producer. The U.S. shale boom has added significantly to global inventories of oil and posed a direct challenge to OPEC.

Partly as a result of the U.S. energy boom, oil prices have hit a five-and-a-half-year low, falling by almost 50 percent since June. Brent crude hovers in the $60 range, and U.S West Texas Intermediate has fallen to $57 per barrel. In some parts of the United States, shale oil is being sold for under $40 per barrel.

The key question at play here is this: Is the decline in oil price a cyclical or structural phenomenon? Have the tectonic plates of energy shifted?

To answer that, let us begin with a group of engineers and geologists who, in the early 1980s, began using a technology known as hydraulic fracturing to try to coax gas from tight rock formations in the United States by injecting chemicals and water into the wells. Nothing worked, until a uniquely driven businessman by the name of George Mitchell, laid down the gauntlet for his team of engineers in the early 1980s: get me some shale gas in a decade, or the company collapses.

Mitchell and his team got up early, worked late, and eventually, after seventeen years of trying, they "cracked the code," as industry observers often say. They became the first company to discover the right combination of water and chemicals to extract so-called tight gas. Those gas fields eventually began producing oil, and today, the shale oil and gas revolution has fueled U.S. economic growth, changed global energy dynamics and transformed global geopolitics.

Radically transforming global energy markets

But will U.S. oil radically transform global energy markets over the next decade or two? The answer is no. Middle East oil, Russian oil and African oil will still be in high demand over the next two decades, according to forecasts by the International Energy Agency. Indeed, most forecasts suggest that by the 2020s, U.S. shale will decline and OPEC oil will be needed to pick up the slack.

So, new U.S. oil will put downward pressure on the price, but will not be a game changer in and of itself. The real question is: Will the U.S. fracking revolution expand globally? If it does, that could have a truly transformational effect on global energy. That would be the game changer.

Imagine a China that fracks. Or an India. Or some of the other large emerging markets that are driving future demand. Or fracking in Europe? In that scenario, we could see both the cost of fracking fall and the world come awash in new supplies of oil, putting tremendous downward pressure on the price, and reordering world energy markets and world power.

Some have suggested that we are still in the early stages of shale oil and gas, something akin to the first clunky computers that hit the shelves in U.S. stores, and were being purchased for office use for the first time. In that pre-Internet, pre-high speed computing era, few could have imagined the growth of the information revolution and how it would transform the world.

The problem with that analogy, however, is that the costs of fracking are so high that only a high oil price environment will allow for companies to take the necessary capital expenditure risks to develop new projects. The declining oil price will not squeeze U.S. shale entirely, but it will make new projects far less feasible. These are not projects that can be hatched in a garage with a couple of engineers and a bit of angel investing money. These are projects that carry massive debt.

In this context, the OPEC decision to let the market find its own price makes sense. After all, a world of Chinese and Indian fracking would pose tremendous challenges to OPEC producers.

So, this is not a fight between OPEC and U.S. shale oil. It's a battle between OPEC and future shale. Because what is most dangerous to the future of OPEC is not U.S. production, but a world in which China, India and Europe all begin their own fracking revolution.

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Afshin Molavi is a senior fellow and director of the Global Emerging and Growth Markets Initiative at the Foreign Policy Institute of the Johns Hopkins University School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS) and a senior research fellow at the New America Foundation, a Washington DC-based think tank. A former Dubai-based correspondent for the Reuters news agency, Molavi has also been based in Riyadh, Jeddah, and Tehran. His articles and essays have been published in the Financial Times, Washington Post, Newsweek, Foreign Policy, and dozens of other publications. He is currently writes a global affairs column for Newsweek Japan.

[Sep 11, 2015]I mourn disable and scarred vets, neglected by the country

Economist's View Links for 09-11-15

ilsm said...

Remember the lost on 9/11 and those sacrificed in the US' responding aggression. Honor them by questioning "why the cost with the wrecked results".

pgl said in reply to ilsm...

Watching the ceremony now. Tears come to my eyes 14 years later. Brooklyn has a 6K run tomorrow in honor of our heroes. Will be proud to run it for those we lost.

ilsm said in reply to pgl...

Why don't we blame the Saudis, and all the multiple SUV per family who send their cash for ISIS through Riyadh, at the memorials?

Long before the number of dead soldiers related to Iraghistan exceeded the NY site losses I moved on.

To make sure it never happens again let's call Iran the great terrorist who calls a satan a satan blame Iran and do them like Iraq.

Faux News was carrying it, enough said.

I mourn disable and scarred vets, neglected by the country!

Paine said in reply to ilsm...

It's a hideous irony that private outfits use our butchered vets like abused pets
To collect money

The whole warrior cult is a monstrous fabrication of the demagogues of Uncle Sam global hegemony

Some died and others still suffer for NOtTHING noble nothing at all nothing but corporate rights to exploit where they will

pgl said in reply to Paine ...

9/11 had nothing to do with that stupid war that started in 2003. That was the re-elect Bush-Cheney opening theme. The New Yorkers who died on 9/11 deserve better than any of these pathetic political insults.

Paine said in reply to pgl...

The warrior cult goes back to post nam talk radio histrionics

9 / 11 is more like the sinking of the Lusitania

Or is it the Maine or the Alamo or little big horn or gulf of Tonkin or ..yes the obvious parallel Pearl Harbor

Civilians and uniform public servants ?

Burning of Tokyo ?

I recall a huge wave of spontaneous sympathy for the families of the victims of that attack
And for the bravery of the responders that were killed trying to save lives

What about the grotesque policies of the buildings management
That clearly increased the death toll

Or the airlines that refused adequate protocols for decades

It's better now we delve into the real dark side of 9/11

Not the phones conspiracy stories

Nor the further demonizing of bin laden

Or for that matter your feel good blubbering over the murdered innocent

[Sep 11, 2015] Not all comments are created equal: the case for ending online comments by Jessica Valenti

"...The comments section is the only reason I bother with The Guardian any more. The paper and many of it's writers have lost their way - but if you take an article that almost destroys your faith in the progress of human thought, as a starting point,- there is always someone under the line that restores it. "
Sep 10, 2015 | The Guardian


Lecram Hernández 11 Sep 2015 16:55

"Guardian Pick" you have got to be kidding me, do they really pick comments of people licking their butt?


MarcTectus 11 Sep 2015 15:11

We need the comments because they contain (interspersed with the dross) more intelligence, more research, more facts and more balance than the articles themselves...


myhatisgrey artfulintheus 11 Sep 2015 14:41

How about if comments were restricted to actual paid subscribers?

The Guardian would already be charging for it if they thought people wuld pay. That's why they stick with the clickbait article/advertising model.


panpipes randomangles 11 Sep 2015 13:43

it does not necessarily follow that anything that attracts attention and receives lots of comments must therefore be clickbait.

True....but I've read quite a few of JV's articles so I am judging more than just the clicks, rather the content.

Fortune favours the lucky.

That post made me smile.


sangfroidwerewolf 11 Sep 2015 13:32

The sad fact is the Guardian routinely fails to give 'the whole picture', or an impartial or accurate account of a story, and you often have to look below the line for context, counterpoint and correction.


NeoClassicist WanderingLight 11 Sep 2015 13:23

a community of moderately intelligent readers making moderately intelligent comments

I prefer to think of my comments as supremely intelligent!


RavenGodiva 11 Sep 2015 13:15

I would censor or moderate personal attacks, but never someone who questions (whether it be climate cooling/warming/change or evolution).

Grow a thicker skin and let the rabble play.


consciouslyinformed Bjerkley 11 Sep 2015 12:10

"and I don't think many people actually approach a debate genuinely prepared to change their mind..."

Therein lies the essential problem for too many posters, as I think, from reading and participation myself with ongoing dialogues with others who are invested in a genuine discourse about topics that journalists write, and the Cif community responds within the thread. Of those who post comments, many times the engaged individuals who are committed to the process of sharing viewpoints, in order to learn, discuss, debate and as you wisely state "sometimes our own perspectives have been changed through these thoughtful and intelligent discussions," is what I look for too, in this venue.

The posters who populate the thread with intent to divert, click bait, attempt to harass, or to quite take over the thread, is beyond disruptive, and yet, in this community, if not too distracting or off topic, are offered the freedom of expression, even if not wanted or warranted by the rest of the posters. I find it an exercise of my own ability to allow others, regardless of what I want, to have their say, whether or not it's what most commentators want to hear. Great post from you.


commuted 11 Sep 2015 10:40

A deep ontological flaw in an argument gets exposed with the possibility that the writer gets a spanking. While the Guardian would never prostitute themselves to an issue, it does happen. Admittedly, there's not a lot of good news for the writer, but comments still have value.


auldngreetie 11 Sep 2015 09:51

The comments section is the only reason I bother with The Guardian any more. The paper and many of it's writers have lost their way - but if you take an article that almost destroys your faith in the progress of human thought, as a starting point,- there is always someone under the line that restores it.

I read your articles (dammit, can't help myself) and despair. I read the comments and cheer up.

Regarding your point about utilitarian value and 'rich and worthwhile conversation' - I don't think we could easily agree on what was rich and worthwhile. It is for this reason that we have freedom of expression in the first place. Any conditions such as anonymity that enhance this freedom, while they have a downside, are on balance hightly desirable and beneficial in the long run.

StuartRG 11 Sep 2015 09:33

A lot of adblock users get a message asking them to subscribe to the Guardian's quality journalism. They then spend a long time wading through poorly written column after poorly written column looking for this quality journalism rather than something resembling a first draft for a parody Fringe show. So they leave comments reflecting that.

True some are psychotic idiots. But others are merely reflecting their disappointment at how low the bar is of 'quality journalism' from a newspaper which has 'Pulitzer Prize' on its mast.

And should anyone at the Guardian feel offended, may I suggest you stop filling columns with self absorbed tat and try to replicate the likes of Oliver Wainwright, who has opinions but backs them up with something more concrete than a fey 'attitude.'


Liam 90 Paul Mycock 11 Sep 2015 09:16

Using one of two methods - i) the "This comment was removed by a moderator... etc." and ii) the disappearing into thin air in a puff of smoke method. I've always wondered whether this is a major technical glitch in the software or whether there's something else to it. Maybe the staff are embarassed at just how many comments are removed?

randomangles 11 Sep 2015 08:43

Like many others, I would probably not spend as much time reading this website if there were no comments on any articles. That might have some negative impact on monetization perhaps.

On the other hand, I would probably rate the quality of my experience of using the site much higher.

Paul Mycock -> lauraekay 11 Sep 2015 07:16

Hi,

Why is it that a lot of Guardian moderators remove comments in Jessica Valenti's articles just for critizcizing the content of the article as this does not go against community guidelines?

You'll see the ratio of removed comments to comments in her articles exceed other authors by a huge distance,

By the way this comment does not go against community guidelines so if you are to remove it then please provide a reason.

RogTheDodge -> Raggedclawscuttling 11 Sep 2015 07:14

Really, you're unfamiliar with the expression "if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen"? I even have it framed in my kitchen.

RogTheDodge 11 Sep 2015 07:12

Without comment sections, would anyone read these articles? The comments are far more interesting than the articles in many cases. The author might want to consider that. But I'm sure she knows that and writes accordingly.


Mark A O'Toole 11 Sep 2015 06:48

If this was from someone who I hadn't seen deliberately write polarising troll articles on a regular basis, brag about how it riles people up on her twitter account, and dismisses any and all arguments against the thoughts spilling out of her head as 'misogyny', I might have considered it topic worth discussing. As is, it's just clearly self-serving, disingenuous ramblings of a wounded narcissist.

goddarp -> PrincessWhatever 11 Sep 2015 06:48

Unfortunately, it seems to be doing the opposite. Now it's hard to make money as a real journalist, clickbait opinion pieces based on 'I reckon' rather then costly, time-consuming research, seem to be the norm.

kernjeek -> wavypeasandgravy 11 Sep 2015 06:46

Those mediums have become echo chambers, where you shout your opinions to the wall and receive them back, often reinforcing views that when exposed outwardly are subject to stringent criticism.

As has been pointed out, many commenters BTL make coherent and rational arguments, and the upvotes they receive mean they generally tend to reflect the prevailing attitude of the audience. Of course there are a few nutters and people who are downright rude, but that does not mean that you should be able to post opinion pieces on one of the globes most widely read online publications and not expect to have those views challenged!

standupatonce 11 Sep 2015 06:34

Your view, as someone with a media outlet, is of course that your writing ought to be as privileged as possible.

My view, as someone without one, is that I rarely bother to read things without comments sections, as one or two websites that have turned comments off recently may be finding out, because I'm betting I'm not alone. A single opinion is NEVER as interesting as an opinion and a whole load of response to it, even if you do have to wade through cretins to get the benefit of it.

And social media is NOT the same thing as direct response on the same page.

Finally, if you wish comments away because you don't like what they're saying, you might want to think again about "being too lazy or overwhelmed to fix the real problem".


[Sep 11, 2015] Bloody Arseny in the 90's

Moscow Exile , September 9, 2015 at 9:09 pm

Bloody Arseny in the 90's

Here's a Waging Wabbit's wedding day photograph taken some 5 years after he had allegedly participated on the side of Dudayev's breakaway Chechen Republic in the First Chechen War against Russia. He has also been accused of torturing Russian prisoners of war during that conflict.

If these allegations against Yatsenyuk are true, then Noodleman's candidate "Yats" would have been a "brother-in-arms' of that delightful, late and not so lamented Oleksandr Ivanovych Muzychko (aka Sashko Bilyi [Сашко Білий] – "White Sasha"]):

What a lovable old rogue Sasha was!

Oddlots , September 9, 2015 at 10:28 pm

The guy's a monster just based on who he represents.

But I just can't see this bloodless corpse of a humanbeing having the will to commit mayhem on a living, breathing human.

Seriously, how credible do you think this charges are?

Moscow Exile , September 10, 2015 at 12:46 am

Показания на Яценюка дали его подельники
Testimony against Yarsenyuk was given by his accomplices
Members of the UNA-UNSO party leadership, Nikolai Karlyuk and Kyiv journalist Stanislav Klykh, have said that in the 90s the prime minister of the Ukraine tortured and killed Russian soldiers in Chechnya.

That Yatsenyuk was a murderer became known during an investigation into atrocities committed in 1994 by ther members of the UNA-UNSO party leadership Nikolai Karlyuk and Kyiv journalist Stanislav Klykh.

Last year dozens of lawyers unsuccessfully attempted to have them released from a remand prison. In order to secure their release, they "sang" to whole of the Ukrainian mass media, but in vain: on September 15 in the Supreme court of Chechnya there was held a preliminary hearing.

See also: Показания на Яценюка дали украинские националисты Клых и Карпюк

Moscow Exile , September 10, 2015 at 1:08 am

"That Yatsenyuk was a murderer became known during an investigation into atrocities committed in 1994 by the members of the UNA-UNSO party leadership" should read: "That Yatsenyuk was a murderer became known during an investigation into atrocities committed in 1994 by other members of the UNA-UNSO party leadership"

[Sep 11, 2015] IEA Sees Oil Supply Outside OPEC Falling by Most Since 1992

"...futures contracts for 2016 trade below the price needed for most projects to break even"
Sep 11, 2015 | Bloomberg Business

Oil supplies outside OPEC will decline next year by the most in more than two decades as the price rout curbs U.S. shale output, according to the International Energy Agency.

Production outside the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries will fall by 500,000 barrels a day to 57.7 million in 2016, the Paris-based adviser said Friday in its monthly report. While fuel demand this year will be the strongest since 2010, record-high oil inventories in developed nations won't start to diminish until the second half of next year, and the revival of Iranian exports with the removal of sanctions may swell supplies further, it said.


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U.S. shale output will shrink by almost 400,000 barrels a day next year as futures contracts for 2016 trade below the price needed for most projects to break even, the agency said. As recently as July, the IEA had projected that U.S. shale supply would expand by 60,000 barrels a day in 2016.

The decline in total non-OPEC supply next year will be the biggest since a drop of 1 million barrels a day in 1992 following the collapse of the Soviet Union, it said.

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U.S. output will need to decline by 585,000 barrels a day next year and other non-OPEC production will need to fall by 220,000 barrels a day for the global surplus to end by the fourth quarter of 2016, Goldman said.

Global oil demand will climb by 1.7 million barrels a day this year to 94.4 million as low prices stoke consumption, before growth eases in 2016 to 1.4 million barrels a day. China, the world's second-biggest oil consumer, will "keep up its purchases" even as signs of slowing growth and the country's surprise devaluation of its currency fan concerns about its economic stability, the IEA said.

[Sep 11, 2015] Why Vladimir Putin Won't Be Helping OPEC to Cut Oil Production

Is this unfounded speculation of hidden attempt to form expectations? Will Iran able or willing to do that taking into account low oil prices? Increase need substantial capital investmant which at current price point might not pay for themselves for a lon, lon time. So why bury money into the ground just to please the USA?
Sep 11, 2015 | Bloomberg Business

Iran, which produces a similar grade of crude to Russia, is preparing to ramp up production by as much as 1 million barrels a day next year after reaching an agreement to lift international sanctions.

[Sep 11, 2015] End Of Cheap Fossil Fuels Could Have More Severe Consequences Than Thought By Kurt Cobb

"...The shorthand way of understanding this is that in the last century we extracted all the easy-to-get fossil fuels."
"...Annual world economic growth from 1961 through 2000 according to the World Bank was 3.8 percent per year. From 2000 to 2013, an era of increasingly expensive energy, it slowed to 2.4 percent. From the initial spurt of 4.1 percent growth in 2010 (after a contraction of 2.1 percent in 2009), growth settled down to 2.3 percent in 2012 and 2013, slightly below the recent average. This is despite unprecedented efforts to stimulate the world economy through large increases in government spending and record low interest rates."
Sept 02, 2015 | OilPrice.com

The characteristic feeling of the post-2008 world has been one of anxiety. Occasionally, that anxiety breaks out into fear as it did in the last two weeks when stock markets around the world swooned and middle class and wealthy investors had a sudden visitation from Pan, the god from whose name we get the word "panic." Pan's appearance is yet another reminder that the relative stability of the globe from the end of World War II right up until 2008 is over. We are in uncharted waters.

Here is the crux of the matter as expressed in a piece which I wrote last year:

The relentless, if zigzag, rise in financial markets for the past 150 years has been sustained by cheap fossil fuels and a benign climate. We cannot count on either from here on out....

Another thing we cannot necessarily count on is the remarkable geopolitical stability that the world experienced for two long stretches during the fossil fuel age. The first one lasted from the end of the Napoleonic Wars in 1815 to the beginning of World War I in 1914 (interrupted only by the brief Franco-Prussian War). The second lasted from the end of World War II in 1945 until now.

Following the withdrawal of U.S. military forces from Iraq, the Middle East has experienced increasing chaos devolving into a civil war in Syria; the rapid success of forces calling themselves the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria which are busily reshaping the borders of those two countries; and now the renewed chaos in Libya. We must add to this the Russian-Ukranian conflict. It is no accident that all of these conflicts are related to oil and natural gas.

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But hidden from the view of most is the role that increasingly expensive energy has played since the beginning of this century in slowing economic growth. The shorthand way of understanding this is that in the last century we extracted all the easy-to-get fossil fuels. Now we are going after the hard-to-get remainder which are costly to extract. That takes resources away from the energy-consuming part of the economy and creates a drag on economic growth. Hence, a dramatically slower economy in 2015 after four years of record or near record average daily prices for the most critical fossil fuel, oil. (The recent drop in oil prices is primarily a reflection of slowing demand that comes from a slowing economy.)

The financial industry through the media has intervened forcefully during the recent stock market sell-off to tell us all not to panic. These corrections are normal, they say, and long-term investors--that is, virtually everyone except Wall Street--should ignore them. What the industry and the media do not tell us is that these are not normal times.

Circumstances have changed dramatically. The evidence is there if only we have eyes to see it. Interest rates in much of the world are still stuck at or near zero seven years after the last worldwide downturn. How will the world's central banks stimulate the economy after the next inevitable recession? By lowering interests that are already at zero? In the post-World War II paradigm, rates would be at much higher levels today, say four or five percent, and economic growth would be much faster.

Annual world economic growth from 1961 through 2000 according to the World Bank was 3.8 percent per year. From 2000 to 2013, an era of increasingly expensive energy, it slowed to 2.4 percent. From the initial spurt of 4.1 percent growth in 2010 (after a contraction of 2.1 percent in 2009), growth settled down to 2.3 percent in 2012 and 2013, slightly below the recent average. This is despite unprecedented efforts to stimulate the world economy through large increases in government spending and record low interest rates.

... ... ...

...Franklin Roosevelt is famous for saying: "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself." But fear is a protective mechanism. We are right to fear things that can hurt us and to act accordingly. We cannot solve our problems if we refuse to accept that we have them.

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[Sep 11, 2015] Deflationary Collapse Ahead?

"..."Combining the US and OPEC estimates, the US + OPEC ratio of condensate to C+C production may have increased from about 4.6% in 2005 to about 10% in 2014. If this rate of increase in the global condensate to C+C [crude + condensate] ratio is indicative of total global data, it implies that actual global crude oil production (45 and lower API gravity) was approximately flat from 2005 to 2014, at about 70 MMBPD." "
Aug 26, 2015 | Our Finite World
Overview of What is Going Wrong

  1. The big thing that is happening is that the world financial system is likely to collapse. Back in 2008, the world financial system almost collapsed. This time, our chances of avoiding collapse are very slim.
  2. Without the financial system, pretty much nothing else works: the oil extraction system, the electricity delivery system, the pension system, the ability of the stock market to hold its value. The change we are encountering is similar to losing the operating system on a computer, or unplugging a refrigerator from the wall.
  3. We don't know how fast things will unravel, but things are likely to be quite different in as short a time as a year. World financial leaders are likely to "pull out the stops," trying to keep things together. A big part of our problem is too much debt. This is hard to fix, because reducing debt reduces demand and makes commodity prices fall further. With low prices, production of commodities is likely to fall. For example, food production using fossil fuel inputs is likely to greatly decline over time, as is oil, gas, and coal production.
  4. The electricity system, as delivered by the grid, is likely to fail in approximately the same timeframe as our oil-based system. Nothing will fail overnight, but it seems highly unlikely that electricity will outlast oil by more than a year or two. All systems are dependent on the financial system. If the oil system cannot pay its workers and get replacement parts because of a collapse in the financial system, the same is likely to be true of the electrical grid system.
  5. Our economy is a self-organized networked system that continuously dissipates energy, known in physics as a dissipative structure. Other examples of dissipative structures include all plants and animals (including humans) and hurricanes. All of these grow from small beginnings, gradually plateau in size, and eventually collapse and die. We know of a huge number of prior civilizations that have collapsed. This appears to have happened when the return on human labor has fallen too low. This is much like the after-tax wages of non-elite workers falling too low. Wages reflect not only the workers' own energy (gained from eating food), but any supplemental energy used, such as from draft animals, wind-powered boats, or electricity. Falling median wages, especially of young people, are one of the indications that our economy is headed toward collapse, just like the other economies.
  6. The reason that collapse happens quickly has to do with debt and derivatives. Our networked economy requires debt in order to extract fossil fuels from the ground and to create renewable energy sources, for several reasons: (a) Producers don't have to save up as much money in advance, (b) Middle-men making products that use energy products (such cars and refrigerators) can "finance" their factories, so they don't have to save up as much, (c) Consumers can afford to buy "big-ticket" items like homes and cars, with the use of plans that allow monthly payments, so they don't have to save up as much, and (d) Most importantly, debt helps raise the price of commodities of all sorts (including oil and electricity), because it allows more customers to afford products that use them. The problem as the economy slows, and as we add more and more debt, is that eventually debt collapses. This happens because the economy fails to grow enough to allow the economy to generate sufficient goods and services to keep the system going–that is, pay adequate wages, even to non-elite workers; pay growing government and corporate overhead; and repay debt with interest, all at the same time. Figure 2 is an illustration of the problem with the debt component.

philsharris, August 26, 2015 at 8:08 am

Gail,

Modern industrial expansion has clearly been driven by the key enabling fuel, petroleum. Not all petroleum, however, has the same potential value as the original stuff of the 1950s to 2005. Nevertheless 'condensate' (gas condensate derived from expanding NG fields) is included in world 'total oil' as if it was.

US geologist Jeffrey Brown, who has specialised in studying the quantities of oil available to economies round the world – particularly amounts available to the larger economies who are net importers, – that includes US, EU, Japan & China, – has a long comment just now on peakoilbarrel (Ron Patterson blog). He includes an interesting apparent statistic concerning condensate. We should note that the amount of 'real stuff' to go round the industrial world is probably stalled since 2005. The world generally appears to have a lower-value resource to enable any future expansion. The exlixir of youth is going to be in short supply, it seems.

Jeffrey: "Combining the US and OPEC estimates, the US + OPEC ratio of condensate to C+C production may have increased from about 4.6% in 2005 to about 10% in 2014. If this rate of increase in the global condensate to C+C [crude + condensate] ratio is indicative of total global data, it implies that actual global crude oil production (45 and lower API gravity) was approximately flat from 2005 to 2014, at about 70 MMBPD."

Gail Tverberg, August 26, 2015 at 8:55 am

Yes, the high quality crude has been flattening in supply. I am not sure how important this is in the whole scheme of things, however.

When we look at energy consumption vs GDP on a world basis, the correlation is best with total energy, rather than with just oil. Also, our oil production has been growing at both the long carbon chain end of the spectrum (oil sands, etc.), and the short carbon chain end (Bakken, etc). In some sense, the mix changes tend to offset.

I think it is probably more important that world coal consumption grew at an unusually slow rate in 2014, and perhaps is even shrinking in 2015. China's consumption is down, and its electricity use seems to be something like flat in 2015. Natural gas consumption worldwide also grew at an unusually low rate in 2015. These are indications of a world-wide slowdown.

Harry Gibbs, August 26, 2015 at 10:02 am
We've also seen global trade contract by over 2% in the first half of 2015:

http://www.gtreview.com/news/global/global-trade-slumps-in-first-half-of-2015/

And global capex is likewise shrinking:

http://www.smh.com.au/business/markets/global-capex-set-to-shrink-as-commodities-crunch-bites-20150803-giqv80.html

It does seem very much like global growth is peaking, just as your look at global energy demand suggested:

http://ourfiniteworld.com/2015/06/23/bp-data-suggests-we-are-reaching-peak-energy-demand/

Reverse Engineer, August 26, 2015 at 7:38 pm
There is a lot in Part 3 of the Collapse Cafe TSHTF Vidcast with Gail's view on Renewables, as well as Nicole Foss's views and my own

You can find all 3 Parts we got recorded last Sunday on the Collapse Cafe You Tube Channel,

RE

John Doyle , August 26, 2015 at 8:17 am

We certainly need an economic model which accommodates a downturn in our civilization. I don't think it is impossible but the longer we remain inactive the less likely we will be to avoid chaos no matter what we do. Governments need to survive but the way they behave these days is not conducive to trust, being so partisan and polarised one one side and head in the sand ignorant on the other. It all looks just so unlikely that we will pull any rabbit out of the hat, even temporarily.
Michael , August 26, 2015 at 8:02 pm
Mr. Doyle, I agree with your statement on a need for an economic which accommodates a downturn. Have you found any proposals yet? I've done some jury rigging of models for such but have not found any good alternatives.
Gail Tverberg , August 28, 2015 at 4:08 pm
The continuing debt part is the hard part. Very short term works, but longer term doesn't.

[Sep 11, 2015] Iranian Oil Minister Output to Return After Sanctions Lift, $80 Crude Would Be 'Fair'

Contradictory statements. On one hand Iran wants $80per barrel prices, on the other is ready to serve as a Trojan horce to keep oil prices low. That's probaly the ffect of Bloomberg reporting ;-).

Bloomberg Business

Oil at $70 to $80 a barrel would be "fair," he said. Brent crude, the global benchmark, fell as much as 2.3 percent to $48.40 a barrel on the London-based ICE Futures Europe exchange and traded at $49.12 at 3:36 p.m. local time. Brent sold for as much as $102.86 a barrel a year ago.

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OPEC said in a bulletin from its Vienna-based secretariat on Monday that the group won't shoulder the burden of propping up prices by cutting supply on its own, and non-member producers would have to contribute. OPEC will protect its interests and there is "no quick fix" for market instability, it said.

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Iran plans to produce 3.8 million to 3.9 million barrels of oil a day by March, with output rising by 500,000 barrels a day soon after sanctions are lifted and by 1 million barrels within the following five months, Zanganeh said. Iran is producing 2.8 million barrels a day, its highest level in three years, and is exporting more than 1 million barrels a day, he said.

Iran has about 60 million barrels of condensate in floating storage and has no crude stored offshore, Zanganeh said.

"Immediately after lifting sanctions, it's our right to return to the level of production we historically had," Zanganeh said. "We have no other choice," he said. A slump in oil prices won't slow Iran's return to the market, he said.

[Sep 11, 2015] IEA Sees U.S. Shale Oil Shrinking in 2016 on Price Slump

Sep 11, 2015 | Bloomberg Business

U.S. shale oil production will drop 9 percent next year as a crude price below $50 a barrel "slams brakes" on years of supply growth, the International Energy Agency said.

"Oil's downward spiral to fresh six-year lows below $50 a barrel has dimmed the prospects for a recovery in U.S. drilling activity," the Paris-based IEA said in its monthly market report Friday. Unless oil prices "bounce back in coming months," supply is forecast to fall by 385,000 barrels a day next year to 3.9 million barrels a day.

...Unless oil prices "bounce back in coming months," supply is forecast to fall by 385,000 barrels a day next year to 3.9 million barrels a day.

... ... ...

Drilling activity and output levels are unlikely to rebound following the cuts in oil producers' capital spending, the agency said. The number of oil rigs active in the U.S. has fallen by almost 60 percent over the past year, standing at 662 in the week to Sept. 4, according to Baker Hughes Inc.

This has translated into five weeks of declines in U.S. production, the longest retreat in almost 11 years. Total output currently stands at 9.13 million barrels a day, a 5 percent drop from the all-time high of 9.61 million reached on June 5, according to Department of Energy data.

Continuous investment is needed for production to keep flowing from U.S. shale oil wells, which have "steep decline rates," the IEA said. Output per well tends to decline by an average of 72 percent from initial production rates within 12 months of the well having started, forcing operators to keep drilling to offset the decline.

U.S. shale oil producers may have to contend with a funding squeeze from capital markets that's seen impacting their ability to drill, Citigroup Inc. said earlier this week. The U.S. bank estimates as much as half a million barrels a day may be cut by year-end.

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Drilling and completion of wells will drop by a further 20 percent to 70 percent next year, the IEA predicted. "Impressive increases in productivity" have helped offset the slowdown in drilling and tempered ensuing drop in production, it said. U.S. shale oil producers would also be the first ones to respond should market conditions improve, the IEA said

[Sep 11, 2015] How Low Can Oil Go Goldman Says $20 a Barrel Is a Possibility

The first question is standard: Is squid, like always, trying to talk his own book ? Now it looks like the key idea behind Iran deal is to use them as a Trojan horse to keep oil prices low.
"...Iranian Oil Minister Bijan Namdar Zanganeh has vowed to increase output by 1 million barrels a day once sanctions are removed as the nation seeks to regain market share."
Sep 11, 2015 | Bloomberg Business

The global surplus of oil is even bigger than Goldman Sachs Group Inc. thought and that could drive prices as low as $20 a barrel.

While it's not the base-case scenario, a failure to reduce production fast enough may require prices near that level to clear the oversupply, Goldman said in a report e-mailed Friday while cutting its Brent and WTI crude forecasts through 2016. The International Energy Agency predicted that crude stockpiles will diminish in the second half of next year as supply outside OPEC declines by the most since 1992.

"The oil market is even more oversupplied than we had expected and we now forecast this surplus to persist in 2016," Goldman analysts including Damien Courvalin wrote in the report. "We continue to view U.S. shale as the likely near-term source of supply adjustment."

... ... ...

Goldman trimmed its 2016 estimate for West Texas Intermediate to $45 a barrel from a May projection of $57 on the expectation that OPEC production growth, resilient supply from outside the group and slowing demand expansion will prolong the the glut. The bank also reduced its 2016 Brent crude prediction to $49.50 a barrel from $62.

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The Paris-based IEA forecast Friday that production outside the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries will fall by 500,000 barrels a day to 57.7 million in 2016. Shale oil production in the U.S. will drop by 385,000 barrels a day next year as a crude price below $50 a barrel "slams brakes" on years of growth, the agency said in its monthly market report.

... ... ..

The U.S. pumped 9.14 million barrels a day of oil last week, according to data from the Energy Information Administration. While the EIA this week cut its 2015 output forecast for the nation by 1.5 percent to 9.22 million barrels a day, production this year is still projected to be the highest since 1972. U.S. crude stockpiles remain about 100 million barrels above the five-year seasonal average.

Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Iran will drive supply growth from OPEC, Goldman said. The group, which supplies about 40 percent of the world's crude, has produced above its 30-million-barrel-a-day quota for the past 15 months.

Iranian Oil Minister Bijan Namdar Zanganeh has vowed to increase output by 1 million barrels a day once sanctions are removed as the nation seeks to regain market share.

[Sep 11, 2015] These Four Charts Show How Obama's Leverage Over Xi Is Increasing

"...China still holds $1.27 trillion of U.S. Treasuries, making it the biggest foreign holder of the government debt as of June. But its share of all foreign holdings of Treasuries has been steadily declining. "
Sep 11, 2015 | Bloomberg Business

With sluggish demand around the world, China is increasingly reliant on American consumers and companies to buy its goods. In fact, if current trends hold, China will pass Canada this year as America's biggest trading partner. China's exports to the U.S. have climbed 6.1 percent in the first eight months of 2015 from a year earlier, compared with a 1.4 percent drop in exports worldwide. So Xi needs to ensure that America remains a happy customer, while President Barack Obama can rest easier from a trade standpoint, given that U.S. exports to China are a proportionally much smaller slice of the U.S. economy.

... ... ...

Capital has flowed out of China to the tune of $610 billion in the 12 months through July 2015, compared with an inflow of $224 billion through July 2014, based on data compiled by Bloomberg. That's the worst pace in data going back to 2007. Because of the sharp pullback in investment, China has become and will remain a next exporter of capital "for the foreseeable future," putting money into manufacturing and real estate in the U.S., said David Dollar, a senior fellow with the Brookings Institution in Washington who was previously a U.S. Treasury official in Beijing.

... ... ...

China still holds $1.27 trillion of U.S. Treasuries, making it the biggest foreign holder of the government debt as of June. But its share of all foreign holdings of Treasuries has been steadily declining. That proportion stands at 20.6 percent, down from a peak of 28.2 percent in 2011. And it could be poised to fall even further: China's foreign-exchange reserves plummeted by a record $94 billion in August, after a $43 billion drop in July, as the government sold assets to defend the yuan.

... ... ...

Willem Buiter at Citigroup said that China in reality is growing at closer to a 4 percent pace, far below the government's stated rate of 7 percent. (The U.S. reported an annual pace of 3.7 percent GDP expansion for the second quarter.)

[Sep 10, 2015] Russia complains of 'strange hysteria' over its presence in Syria by Shaun Walker in Moscow and Ian Black in Damascus

"...I think Cameron & co. planned to use the refugee situation as a pretext for a humanitarian intervention against Assad and Putin put some boots on the ground to prevent that as last thing we'll risk at this stage is blowing up russians. Sorta what he did with his fleet parked at the Syrian coast when carriers were already in position to strike. Wrong or right, gotta admire the mans ability to read and preempt our moves time and time again."
Sep 09, 2015 | The Guardian

Moscow responds to concerns from US by saying its military-technical cooperation with Syria is nothing out of the ordinary

gossy 10 Sep 2015 19:35

There is no plan, no ideas, no apparent way out for Washington based neo-cons to get out of a trap of their own devising. "Regime change" in the middle east region instigated by them has been an unmitigated disaster! Arming, funding, and training the precursors of ISIS - the Jihadi proxies to bring down Assad with no plan of what to put in his place - has wrecked the middle east and triggered a growing regional conflict.

The masses of refugees fleeing the region have poured into Europe and threaten to destabilise the EU and some national governments there.

The key to solving the middle east's problems and the refugee crisis thus starts and finishes with the decisions taken in Washington. Either get rid of the neo cons or watch Europe go down as "collateral damage" too.


TheCorporateClass -> quorkquork 10 Sep 2015 19:24

And one of Assad's message to Christian America??

In the interview, conducted before the ouster of Morsi, Assad said the Egyptian protest marked "the fall of what is known as political Islam."

"Anywhere in the world, whoever uses religion for political aims, or to benefit some and not others, will fail," ASSAD said.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d9c_1372962367


TheCorporateClass -> Oldiebutgoodie 10 Sep 2015 19:22

excellent thx for that.

I remember that Clarke chat and other things he said.

Did you ever notice how Gen Petraeus was suddenly rolled in a sex scandal? (not dissimilar to Gov Spitzer who was screaming about the financial markets corruption in Jan 2008)

That's who Kilcullen worked closely with in Iraq first off, and who Bush flew to Iraq to speak to personally, leaving the rest of his war cabinet at the Camp David retreat and they didn't know where he went. That's when the surge was announced.
The other surprising plus about GW Bush was in the last year, when Bush found out he had been snowed over the torture etc, Cheney and several others were totally shut out. I don't think they have spoken since.

Meanwhile Elliot Abrams, PNAC neocon wizard is in Oz atm, when the Syria extension has been announced .... scummy lying psychopath prick that he is! (is that allowed to be said on the US version of TG? Or am I likely to be extradited? LOL )

MikeBenn -> TheCorporateClass 10 Sep 2015 19:06

Ukraine is a correction of what was stolen after WW1 and WW2, now the Russians want there stuff back. I say let them have it, if US was smart they would realize Russia could've been the best friend in the area they could've had. If they play their cards right it still maybe possible.

TheCorporateClass Havingalavrov 10 Sep 2015

I'm deeply offended. You imagine I am a complete idiot with no discernment or any ability to find credible information for myself. How could you. :(
You are overpaid ... even if you're doing this for free.
MikeBenn -> HollyOldDog 10 Sep 2015
If the west would've let Russia finish what they were doing in Chechyna we wouldn't have to worry about them in the Middle East. What Corporate Class is talking about in Fallujah rings much truth, you know US marines had to stand by while these animals escaped from there. Them same people killed a lot of Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan. Wait until you see what they are doing in Bosnia.
TheCorporateClass TheCorporateClass 10 Sep 2015
PS and since Merkle and Holland took tea with Putin at the Kremlin, do tell what France and Germany have had to say about Ukraine or Putin ever since?

Besides absolutely nothing.

Guestt Bob adda 10 Sep 2015
I know it's easy to conjure up a conspiracy, but tell me why it took seven years in Iraq, including the surge, to stabilize it? Our government at the time thought it would take much less time and they were wrong. Perhaps this administration is aware of this and are leery about a repeat. Perhaps this administration also does not want civilian casualties, or as few as possible.


HollyOldDog thomas142 10 Sep 2015

There are other influences operating on the Graudian now.


psygone buttonbasher81 10 Sep 2015

It's simply a good excuse for Russia to play its 'ISIS Threat' card and help Assad to keep on mass-murdering his own people.

With only 16 percent of the country left in Assad's desparete hands and Russian weapons now pouring in, expect the genocide numbers to climb significantly.


TheCorporateClass Luminaire 10 Sep 2015

Don't blame Dinkylou for the US Military in Iraq being ordered NOT to count civilian casualties.

Gosh after repeated requests for info about a few missing journalists and being told repeatedly, sorry "we know nuffink", when out came a Collateral Damage video from the evil Wikileaks showing exactly what happened to them .... it was only 3 years after the event.

But no, in Luminaire's strange world, 500,000 was a lie - nothing else. There really were WMD all over Iraq too.
I hope you are getting paid, because to do this for free, wow, what a loser choice that is. You're worth at least a buck a day!

Oldiebutgoodie TheCorporateClass 10 Sep 2015


You're right, thomas,

it's Important to re-read past articles - refresh memory and perspective.
Too much info to recall on how things developed, and what leaders said what.

Important interview w/ Retired Gen. Clark about U.S & M.E. 2007
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KkNAQIuGZY

TheCorporateClass Luminaire 10 Sep 2015

Ever heard of Fallujah?

TheCorporateClass eminijunkie 10 Sep 2015

I can't [see] this becoming a major war,
Said Eisenhower and Kennedy about Vietnam .... and said GW Bush about Afghanistan and Iraq ... when both the latter are pretty much ongoing, when Ukraine and Pakistan are still a basket cases? You're a glass half full kinda guy :)


HollyOldDog Luminaire 10 Sep 2015

There doesn't appear to be an ideal Chechen solution, there are Chechen fighters within Islamic State and in Ukraine, where there are fractions fighting for the East and others fighting for the west. I can only assume that the Chechens are basically a warrior race that likes to have battle holidays. In the past there were even a few thousand to be fighting in Kosova during the breakup of former Yugoslavia. At least when these 'holiday fighters' go home they can rest quietly from their exertions and live in greater peace.

TheCorporateClass Havingalavrov 10 Sep 2015

It's what comes back that's the reason we don't use them...
Quid pro quo mean anything to you? Or is life always a one way street where you live? :)

As for attacking ISIS , fine, I don't know why Assad and ISIS have been mostly avoiding each other for so long...benefits them both I suppose
You don't think that given ISIS is in the East and the Assad govt forces in the West, and the rest of the rebels are in the middle might possibly have something to do with that?
Not to mention the US group is flying a few sorties a day into the ISIS region, or so they "claim" at least could make a difference to fundamental and very basic military strategies of war?

buttonbasher81 10 Sep 2015

Not sure what the Russians are hoping to carve out with any action in Syria? Maybe prop up Assad, protect their military base or maybe even they're genuinely scared of what a total collapse of Assad will mean for the caucuses? Whatever reason it doesn't seem to be a large scale intervention, so I can't see it achieving much apart from adding another faction to an already heavily fractured war zone.

TheCorporateClass 10 Sep 2015

Here ya go, try this on on for size my dear american friends .....

........the point is the strategic interest of Russia...the only country extant that can reduce America to a pile of rubble in approximately 32 minutes from the "go" command?

If Qatari gas gets to Europe then Americas grip on Europe becomes stronger.....and by deduction Russia becomes weaker

If Qatari gas fails to get to Europe then Americas grip on Europe becomes weaker....and by deductuon Russia becomes stronger.

Which may go some way to explaining why Russia is expanding the Latakia air head and moving military air traffic control in there?

Syria and Iran do the ground fighting...Russia supplies the hardware, intelligence and training........there's been some American manufactured and IDF operated losses already according to some sources....which may explain why the IAF has been absent from Syrian skies for the lats week and Kerry is running around like a headless chicken?

The big game hasn't even begun yet....

Assad to remain in power as long as Russia needs him....

Yes, no, or don't know?

A_Cappella Luminaire 10 Sep 2015

The U.S. "ally", Saudi Arabia is the biggest financier and provider of personnel for radical causes in the Mideast. And, the U.S. was the one that left Iraq as a failed state and managed to leave a completely destabilized situation.

A_Cappella 10 Sep 2015

First the European powers made a mess of things in the Mideast. Then the U.S got in there and mucked around, leaving a colossal mess and disastrous destabilization. Might as well let Russia back in there to complete the job.

TheCorporateClass Bosula 10 Sep 2015

How well did the world's most powerful military and air force (luftwaffe) do in the Battle of Britain?

And who lost that war again?

American Military Intelligence - a contradiction in terms.

American Democracy - another contradiction in terms.

Havingalavrov TheCorporateClass 10 Sep 2015

Here you go...

http://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/weapons-of-isis.asp

Oldiebutgoodie TheCorporateClass 10 Sep 2015

I watched the clip you posted by the guardian of Assad's speech.
It was only a clip
The following is the whole speech w/English translation:

Full Speech by Assad at Damascus on 1/5/13, about fighting ISIL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGeGHVAjG5c

TheCorporateClass Gazth Sonika 10 Sep 2015

The West is indirectly responsible for that downed MH17 flight.
Until the EU did it's underhanded deal, Nuland and co did her thing, and McCain et al rocked up to support the neo-nazi militias and murdering street thugs there was no Civil War in Ukraine either.
nah, I must be imagining all that, apparently, it never even happened.

TheCorporateClass Luminaire 10 Sep 2015

they're laying the groundwork (wittingly or otherwise) for massive civilian casualties,
As opposed to what - 4 years of massive civilian causalities?
And before that Libyan massive civilian causalities?
And before that Iraqi massive civilian causalities?
And before that Pakistani massive civilian causalities?
And before that Afghanistan massive civilian causalities?
Gosh is that a pattern, or am I dreaming?

ThomasPaine2 10 Sep 2015

What a smart and canny operator that Mr Putin is.....

For months we've been told how awful (our creation) ISIS is... barbaric, head-choppers, rapists and defilers. Mr Assad has been struggling to defeat them... the west apparently wants them defeated but strangely reluctant to engage them seriously.... and instead of being grateful that the Russians might help out, they are being rumbled. If you really despise ISIS, you should support Putin and Assad.

I have thought for a long time now, that it was rather strange that a kaffir and zionist-hating ideological bunch of terrorists have done nothing against Israel. Why not? Why does it only attack Israel's enemies?

TheCorporateClass Golelt 10 Sep 2015

Which is the lesser of three Evils: Assad or ISIL or America?

TheCorporateClass -> MARSHHAWK 10 Sep 2015

Would you take in refugees that your nation are fighting against in their own country?
You mean like the US, saudis, qatar, uae, Australia, UK, and Israel ...
Israel has taken no displaced persons even on a temporary basis ... all that free open land in the west back and the negev going to waste.

Oldiebutgoodie Gazth Sonika 10 Sep 2015 17:49

Meant to post this link to the full interview mentioned bellow.
This is probably been seen before, just re-visiting policies that led to this.
Hilary Sec. of State and James Baker former Sec. State interview: 6/20/12
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpJWsryvVrc

Dinkylou Luminaire 10 Sep 2015 17:46

You know what gets me about these western fundamentalist sock-puppets...is they think they can rain bombs down on people for a whole year at least... & not make civilian casualties...Not only do they deny that they were killing civilians but they also lie about how many...they report a measly 100,000 but meanwhile half a million is more like it ...& that was only in 2003.

Oldiebutgoodie Gazth Sonika 10 Sep 2015 17:44

Mmmm= all this was in the making for many years. The reasons? I don't know . Oil, power, both? But we see the conditions in M.E., Libya and Syria...

I feel i both parties are responsible. All those at the top involved in the decision making, as well as other leaders in Western countries who wanted a piece of the action.
A must see, boring at times, but listen closely to what they're saying, and note how gleefully they speak of what they're planning.
**Hilary and former Sec. of State Baker admit wanting to destabilize Syria.**
This interview 6/20/12 on Charlie Rose Show PBS.
Enlightening and disturbing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fF0JyZwqGoQ

TheCorporateClass seancon 10 Sep 2015 17:42

What is a "real" Syrian?

Then, who are the 18 million, including the 6-8 million internally displaced, people currently in Syria? Floridians on vacation maybe?

TheCorporateClass Havingalavrov 10 Sep 2015 17:38

Yes, Assad is one powerful dude. Barrel bombs the most sophisticated munitions on the planet today. With all his weaponary, including his cache of the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch and worlds greatest stockpile of chemical weapons ever amassed in human history, well he should win this civil war fighting peasants with peashooters in a few weeks.

(oh shit, hang on, it started 4 years ago .. I must have missed something)

So where did the rebels, al queda, al nusra, isis, and all the rest get 4 years worth of arms, munitions, cannon, sams, medical aid, food, beverages, bank transfers, containers full of USDs from?

Couldn't be Santa Clause because they ain't Christians!

TheCorporateClass davearnold 10 Sep 2015 17:29

Assad is a natural ally of the west. We can do business with this guy.
Sure the day after the State of Israel shuts up shop, the Federation of Palestine is created.

TheCorporateClass psygone 10 Sep 2015 17:21

And be assured it has nothing at all to do with the continued blocking of the Iranian gas pipeline to Europe through Syria, nor the more expansive as yet untapped (huge gas field) Qatari plan to run a gas pipeline through Iraq/Syria, and it's absolutely nothing to do with the US/NATO fascist coup in Ukraine to cut off the oil/gas channel from Russia to Europe to help their Saudi/Qatari allies and business partners in Halliburton et al ... nothing at all. All totally an irrelevant coincidence. because the light on the hill America, always stands with it's democratic pro-human rights partners for Peace. (oh hang about .... um)

The Iranian gas comes from the South Pars Field and the Qatari gas from the North Dome both part of the same geological structure.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Pars_/_North_Dome_Gas-Condensate_field

btw, what's the pay like? I'm good at writing advertising copy too.

DrKropotkin BigNowitzki 10 Sep 2015 17:15

9/11 - inside job. Protocols , a forgery. MH17 - shot down by some miscreant on the Kiev side to get Western backing for their battle against the Donbas.

What's your view on. Sinking of the Maine. JFK and MLK assignations. The Gulf of Tonkin incident. Dead Kuwaiti babies thrown from their incubators by Sadam's troops. Sadam's WMD, Qadaffi's Viagra powered raping soldiers, the Ghouta gas attack and the Maidan snipers? To name but a few of the things that people were called conspiracy theorists for questioning.

TheCorporateClass psygone 10 Sep 2015 17:11

Of course, aren't we silly, it's the United Nations fault.
Never could it be the American public's responsibility who forked out, was it $3 trillion or more to completely destroy the nation of Iraq and 500,000 dead (who's counting those) and several million refugees over nothing?

TheCorporateClass Canadianidol 10 Sep 2015 17:07

Assad in Syria is a rank amateur!

Grand total of war deaths: Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos (1954-1975) 2.5 to 3.5 Million. That's how to do it properly.

Bosula swpz_ss01 10 Sep 2015 17:07

Exactly. No discussion of this in our local paper in South Australia. We have one major state newspaper - Murdoch's The Adelaide Advertiser. It is an appalling right wing newspaper - only good to light the fire with.

Murdoch owns something like 60 per cent of the press in Australia.

Jean-François Guilbo 10 Sep 2015 17:06

If the Russians were able to eradicate IS in 12 months, while the coalition has announced they would struggle to achieve it in a decade:
The coalition would appear unefficient, weak and faces a credibility issue.
Russia is not welcome in this race who should keep its snail pace.

peterpierce24 10 Sep 2015 16:28

If history really repeats itself (as some prominent historians claim) then closest analogue of the civil war in Syria in the past should be Spanish civil war in 1930s, in my opinion.

Gazth Sonika Havingalavrov 10 Sep 2015 16:27

Keep trolling, maybe some nitwit somewhere will listen to you.

Gazth Sonika Gazth Sonika 10 Sep 2015 16:24

Addendum: and why aren't you people calling out Turkey for their suspiciously porous border with Syria? Is it that hard to secure it? And how about the West blowing up the Isis-held oil? Hmm? Why do I keep seeing images of Isis cronies driving around in brand new Nissans? Who the hell is selling them that many cars? And why the hell do they still have paved roads?? What the hell is the West even bombing over there??

mp66 TheCorporateClass 10 Sep 2015 16:15

Maybe thats exactly the strategy russians and syrians are going for - a combination of closely coordinated ground force with tactical air support (primarily attack helicopters) will probably be much more efficient rolling back daesh than random picking off based on faulty or missing intelligence.

Gazth Sonika 10 Sep 2015 16:13

Listen you propaganda trolls: The West is indirectly responsible for that drowned Turkish boy, his brother and their mother. Why? Because they destabilized the region by removing Saddam and Gaddafi and have been trying to remove Assad to finish things off. Who do you think will rule Syria if Assad goes? The peaceful rebels? How did that go in Libya and Iraq? Hmm? Come on, tell me how it went! Hello? Anyone? Let me recall the last time I read about head-chopping, sadistic child rapists and floating dead children in the water. Hmmm, oh yeah that's right: never before.

So shut the hell up with your anti-Assad and Putin nomsense, they're the only ones actually trying to fight Isis. Isn't it odd that the US, which loves sending in troops everywhere for any goddamned reason has pulled out of the one area they should have troops in?

Heyyy, what's that smell? *sniff sniff* I smell bullshit.

thomas142 psygone 10 Sep 2015 16:11

A sad state of affairs indeed. Tens of thousands killed by Country's leader or millions killed by US bombs. What a choice !

Erdogan Krimvitz geedeesee 10 Sep 2015 16:11

I see that studying at a polytechnic really doesn't develop critical thinking facilities. Let me spell it out from 2002-2009 there was a clear policy to try and get rid of Assad if possible. Both of us agree on this. Since 2009 and the election of Obama there has been an attempt led by Obama to cosy up to the Iranian axis of which Assad is one part. Obama, other than making a couple of empty threats against Assad actually does the exact opposite of trying to topple him. Thanks to Obama and his bombing campaign against "ISIS", Assad has plenty of time to barrel bomb non-ISIS held territory and add to the civilian death toll in Syria. If Obama suddenly started bombing the kurds in Iraq and Syria under the argument that the PKK are a proscribed terrorist organisation would you say he was providing military support to Turkey or fighting a war against terror?

I'm no fan of ISIS and think they should be destroyed alongside Assad but can see the hypocrisy of the situation. Hence also the reason that all the Western leaders including Cameron also pay lip service to toppling Assad.... As they say talk is cheap.

juster 10 Sep 2015 16:10

I think Cameron & co. planned to use the refugee situation as a pretext for a humanitarian intervention against Assad and Putin put some boots on the ground to prevent that as last thing we'll risk at this stage is blowing up russians. Sorta what he did with his fleet parked at the Syrian coast when carriers were already in position to strike. Wrong or right, gotta admire the mans ability to read and preempt our moves time and time again.

Erdogan Krimvitz Bob adda 10 Sep 2015 15:46

Really, what exactly is bombing ISIS if not actively supporting Assad? They are the major threat to his regime and thanks to the allies bombing campaign he can focus on consolidating his grip on other areas - basically bombing the sh*t out of the civilian population and the non-Islamist rebels. Now if the West has also been bombing Assad's positions or enforcing a no fly zone as they did against Saddam and Gaddafi that would be trying to topple him but as you say not a glimmer, a glimpse, a whisper, nothing, nadda.....

lefthalfback2 Archie Archieson 10 Sep 2015 15:44

The media are clearly slanting thier stories and the narrative to push for open borders and societal acceptance of massive immigration. There is a new story just posted here on which comments are not allowed. We can ask why-but we know. The opposition was massive and well-articulated.

Hungary is going to erect a fence and patrol its borders to stop the inflow. The migrants are pushing hard to get thru Hungary to Austria and germany before that happens. It is not complicated.

Germany took a unilateral act with continent-wide implications. It did the same thing in 1990, when it unilaterally recognized Croatia and Slovenia- two of its very best and most willing allies in WW2. All that did was trigger 10 years of war in the Balkans.

Archie Archieson lefthalfback2 10 Sep 2015 15:37

In any situation such as this you can find individual cases which illustrate any point you want to make. I am sure there is a whole menagerie of journalists and other operatives working hard to find individual stories which suit the narratives of their various paymasters. But the "truth" of the issue is in a narrative which explains the whole picture, however informative individual cases may be.

Inclement 10 Sep 2015 15:25

So Nato is increasingly worried about the Russians? Boots on the ground are he only means that will defeat ISIL. A pity the rest of the world won't send troops to do the job. Then again it takes balls and Nato haven't got any unless it is to bomb [ civilians ] from the air..

Dimmus psygone 10 Sep 2015 15:15

1) US with allies were always able to do what they want without the UN security council approval, only few of examples are Serbia and Iraq. => It is not anything happening in the UN security council which "prevents" US from doing something.
2) US were not really prevented to act as US don't listen anyone, was and is acting. Just real goals and political words are very different things.

Dimmus psygone 10 Sep 2015 15:14

In the article you cite there is no answer. There are lies and pro-US propaganda only. Just listen what Ban Ki-moon says in the video and what the 'free and independent' journalists wrote he had said.

TheCorporateClass 10 Sep 2015 15:09

Even US DoD FOI documents published several months back showed US fully aware before 2010 that Al Queda in Iraq (later to become rebranded as ISIL/ISIS) were planning had intentions of a Iraq/Syria Caliphate STATE and everything that has since transpired was of no surprise at all. Just sayin' feel free to go looking for 'confirmation/facts' and make up your own mind.

Meanwhile back in Jan 2013 in a Guardian report:
The Syrian leader referred repeatedly to plots against his country and the role of al-Qaida, long-portrayed as the leading element in what began as a popular uprising in March 2011. Syria was not facing a revolution but a "gang of criminals", ASSAD said.
"This war targets Syria using a handful of Syrians and many foreigners."
Assad also thanked Russia, China and Iran for supporting Syria in the face of hostility from the US, Britain and France.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jan/06/syria-president-assad-public-speech


On 8 April 2013, al-Baghdadi released an audio statement in which he announced that al-Nusra Front had been established, financed, and supported by the Islamic State of Iraq, and that the two groups were merging under the name "Islamic State of Iraq and Al-Sham"

Useful for anyone keeping an historical timeline.

JiminNH psygone 10 Sep 2015 15:01

More psyops from psygo

The Sunni majority armed forces, led by generals the majority of whom are Sunni, fight on behalf of their national government, the majority of the Cabinet being Sunni, against foreign jihadi invaders of the medieval Wahabi/Salafist sects who are funded, armed and trained by the western NATO governments, including Turkey, their despotic monarchical allies of Saudi Arabia and Qatar which are the font from which the Wahabi terrorist emanate, ably assisted by western ally Israel.

It is well established that the "Arab Spring" was the tool of western secret services, part of the plan to topple (mostly secular) Arab governments spoken about by former NATO commander Gen Wesley Clark; Syria is one of the few remaining after we toppled Khadafy and dismembered Sudan, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw

Unlike unproven claims of Russian intervention, we have proof of all western intervention, to include Serena Shim being eliminated, likely by Turkish secret services, for proving that NATO's Incirlik airbase in Turkey was used to ship western arms to ISIS in Kobani (in "humanitarian aid" trucks no less)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2799924/mystery-american-journalist-killed-car-crash-turkey-just-days-claimed-intelligence-services-threatened-coverage-siege-kobane.html

Turkey being the shipment point for the gas that the rebels used at Ghouta as a black flag operation to incite the US & NATO arforces to reprise their roles as the "Jihadi Air Force" ala Libya 2011-2012

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n08/seymour-m-hersh/the-red-line-and-the-rat-line

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v35/n24/seymour-m-hersh/whose-sarin
and Israel's proven history of bombing government forces when they are fighting against al Nusra, al Qaeda and even ISIS, as in the Battle of Zabadani today.

http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20150910/1026822667.html

Israel makes no secret of its preference for al Qaeda to seize Syria, and are proving it with their airstrikes some 28 miles north Damascus and further still from the Israeli border.

http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/06/04/israeli-officials-wed-prefer-al-qaeda-run-syria-to-an-assad-victory/

So that al Qaeda and ISIS can make Syria look like Libya, on steroids

But something tells me you know all that already, and are fine with it.

TheCorporateClass 10 Sep 2015 14:44

Side note: Australian Defense Minister today, after announcing Aus has agreed US request to expand air sorties into Syria against ISIS only targets, said the Govts expectation it will take another 2 to 3 years at least before ISIS could be "destroyed". PM Abbott later gave that short shift saying there was no timeline, it could take longer.

Alternatively a few ago ex-Australian Col David Kilcullen, of Iraq counter insurgency fame, in print and media interviews said that a minor ground force of 5,000 US troops with air support could completely destroy ISIS in Iraq and Syria in as little as a few WEEKS. But also said there was no interest in such a plan in Washington.

You work it out.

Dimmus Willothelurcher 10 Sep 2015 14:41

" we realise Assad might have been better than Assad/IS/A Nusra/Al Quaidi chaos currently running amok in Syria."

- it depends who "we" are. Many people realized from the beginning that support of islamists including terrorists by western countries was a bad idea. For politicians it does not matter what they think, they just do what US rulers say them to do and cover it in 'human rights' words, usually meaning the right for US to bomb humans.

Willothelurcher 10 Sep 2015 14:30

Russia has long been open about its support for Assad.

It may be that a stable Syria under Assad, a stable Libya under Ghaddafi and a stable Iraq under Saddam Hussein are preferable to the chaos we see today?

If finishing Assad is in the collective US/UK view 'the way to go' then for everyone's sake drone him and his family to a million pieces. He cannot be as hard to locate as a few British Jihadi in ISIS Syrian enclaves?

Zap Assad and get the 'meltdown' finished.

However I have a suspicion that right now we realise Assad might have been better than Assad/IS/A Nusra/Al Quaidi chaos currently running amok in Syria.

glauben 10 Sep 2015 14:08

The question is : what prevented the US from acting to stop the slaughter in Syria two years ago. Did George Bush castrate him? Or Libya? Now murderous Putin thinks it obligatory to get into the slaughter. But he hardly show the west how it is done. At leaast he does not hin k to ask what the US Chamber of Commerce thinks? No wonder crazy Netanyanu(not so crazy on this one but on everything else) would question The Iran deal. Every scenario seems more and more horrible.

Chillskier psygone 10 Sep 2015 14:05

Says malfunctioning natobot,
The Sunny majority you are talking about is called al-quida according to your own operating manual

duncandunnit Putzik 10 Sep 2015 13:47

please behave, the usa is the biggest cocaine consumer in the world year 15k die in mexico each year due to drug distribution violence. The USA is a hypocrite.

EcoNasty Had2Say 10 Sep 2015 13:43

Actually we were happily selling weapons to the Suharto regime whilst he was bombing villagers in East Timor but that aside, I was merely using these as illustrations of how we have been happy to turn a blind eye to murderous bastards when it suits our geopolitical ambitions in the past so it is hypocrisy to claim that Assad should go on the grounds he bombed civilians (not sure the chemical wespons attacks have actually been proven after questionable newsfootage supposedly in the aftermath and uncertainty about which side was actually responsible)

(Oh and I have reread my post several times and fail to see how you can infer I'm 'anti US' ...I'm anti us making an unbelievably stupid error by (a) bombing that will achieve sod all strategically (b) demanding regime change when we know Russia won't agree to that and when the obvious outcome of Assad going would be utter chaos with violent extremist Islamic groups gaining an even firmer grip.

Jeff1000 Chris Hindle 10 Sep 2015 13:33

Exactly. That's why Kerry et al are anti-Russian help. Because the unspoken agenda here is that America and its allies want ISIS to win.

flight2safety Botswana61 10 Sep 2015 13:30

Hussein was supported with western weapons whilst he was fighting a proxy war against his neighbours. Same with the nerve gas which he used against the Kurds, supplied by the west. Germany were selling mustard gas to Assad. FFS.

swpz_ss01 MARSHHAWK 10 Sep 2015 13:22

If Russia really puts boots on the ground - eradicated ISIS (something they are fully capable of) those refugees, wouldn't be refugees anymore. They are no longer under attack and can go home.

If anything, a Russian military presence in force would resolve the entire problem.

aLLaguz Botswana61 10 Sep 2015 13:22

Whats true .. is that US created the guerrilla that latter was called Taliban ... and it was created to fight USSR back in the 70's ...
Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan was due to the 2 years war without soviet advances against that US-sponsored guerrila...
US created that guerilla ...

[Sep 10, 2015] Let Putin be your fitness inspiration hero by Maeve Shearlaw

"...And to finish of this conversation I would say one thing - 'articles' like this and bitchy comments about Putin say nothing about him but say a lot about people who write them . Criticise if you have a need for that but don't slide to the level of a bitchy gossiper. I really, really despise it. Especially in men. Have a good morning"
"...So the Guardian is putting time and effort to publicize a somewhat pointless and tasteless anonymous account on Instagram, making a news out of it? Why? Would the Guardian be as eager to publicize some tasteless parody on Merkel or Obama?"
Sep 10, 2015 | The Guardian

DogsLivesMatter -> FelixFeline 10 Sep 2015 18:19

Okay Felix. I was making a little joke about Dubya, he did try to walk through a locked door once and he did give Merkel a shoulder rub. Perhaps he was still a drunk then, I don't really know, just making light banter is all.

Corrections -> EstherBell 10 Sep 2015 16:36

Umm...he's swimming for exercise, not to win races. Not meant to be "efficient'.

Corrections -> Stoletov 10 Sep 2015 16:25

Leaked: Obama's Workout /Putin's Workout
NEWSFLASH: They both work out regularly. Why are you such a hater?

Also see:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/jun/05/barack-obama-presidential-workout-warsaw-video

Corrections -> Stoletov 10 Sep 2015 16:16

Are you kidding? Putin was inspired by Michelle and Barack Obama pushing fitness, especially for children - check YouTube. I can't believe you're so ignorant!

vr13vr -> George Kombucha 10 Sep 2015 14:53

I'm in my US based office now and looking around, trying to find something made in the US. Oh, just found it! A pack of paper tissues. And that's about it.

I'm quite serious. My Dell computer has Made in Mexico label, so do the monitors. I have couple of computer mice and keyboard, all labeled Dell and all made in China. A Lenovo laptop... well, we know it used to be the US company. Not a single thing that I'm wearing now is made in the US either. The computer chair is called Eurotek, but I doubt it is anywhere from a first world country. A Cruizer USB drive - from China. A floor fan with a heater - from China. There is white board on the wall, but I can't see the label. Pens, pencils and other office supply - I'm sure not from here either. A plastic cup - I need to look for a box. I'm sure Obama can ensure there are some US made things in his office but for me - none of that.


Anna Joanna -> eastofthesun 10 Sep 2015 08:17

Read the comments- bold, short, etc. what for? Talk about him as a politician, president , who cares , we all have different views , it's normal. Mythmaking? I personally like that he banned GMO from Russia and I like that he makes keeping fit cool


tanyushka Olga Nicki Hancock 10 Sep 2015 07:06

Russia has welcomed almost 1 million Ukranian refugees escaping Kiev's "anti-terrorist" operation, which is actually an ethnic cleansing operation... and it has just announced that it's ready to receive a substantial number of Syrian refugees... but of course you probably won't find the news in any of the Western propaganda media you are used to read or watch...


Olga Nicki Hancock CrystalForce 10 Sep 2015 06:59

Putin has always been supporting legitimate governments and not rebels and hannibals like US and their boot lickers have. Refugees crisis is a direct result of foreign policy of the west. We get what we fight for. Russia accepted millions of ukrannian refugees. Europe didn't take any.


ATC2348 weciv01 10 Sep 2015 05:46

I wish I was as fit as he looks ...I am exhausted just screaming "Hate" , "Hate", "Hate" at all those pictures the Guardian of the Truth are printing never mind all those silly stories about that Warmongering Monster who is obviously a threat to us and all we hold dear......and those poor two Russian "Toddlers" who dug their way out of a kindergarten to try and buy a Jag across the road....it's true ....I read yesterday on this very organ.


todaywefight George Kombucha 10 Sep 2015 03:15

Maybe he is not he may be genuinely likes Putin like many people on the west do, here is a guy who will NOT allow the US to "arm twisting" in accepting their malicious intent...Incidentally, who pays you or you just have not arguments therefore you just spout garbage


todaywefight 10 Sep 2015 03:12

Define propaganda:

A newspaper that spouts this type of garbage and ignores what is happening in Ukraine vis a vis accusations by a crook Saakashvili against another crook, "Ytaz is our man" and his friendships with oligarchs one of which apparently was the recipient of 1.9 b dollars of " disappeared" IMF funds. The current governor of Odessa wanted in his own country for criminal acts is in the run to challenge Yatsenyuk for the Prime Ministership. But hey, Putin's exercises are more important than dealing with Poroshenko's, 3 plans to take back Donbass...and yes Crimea...one of which is full military intervention and not to stop until his glorious army reaches Moscow...mind you this poor imitation of walter mitty has understood the population might be a bit reticent about this plan.


Anna Joanna FelixFeline 10 Sep 2015 02:09

Send me the picture of your torso. A real one lol. And to finish of this conversation I would say one thing - 'articles' like this and bitchy comments about Putin say nothing about him but say a lot about people who write them . Criticise if you have a need for that but don't slide to the level of a bitchy gossiper. I really, really despise it. Especially in men. Have a good morning

vr13vr 9 Sep 2015 22:47

Since we don't like the picture of a leader showing some healthy life style, let's promote the picture of Obama eating hot dogs during campaign stop. Or better yet, Bill Clinton with his bacon cheeseburger and large order of fries.


vr13vr 9 Sep 2015 22:39

So the Guardian is putting time and effort to publicize a somewhat pointless and tasteless anonymous account on Instagram, making a news out of it? Why?

Would the Guardian be as eager to publicize some tasteless parody on Merkel or Obama?

[Sep 10, 2015] The Weaponization of Ignorance: the West's Go-To Experts by marknesop

September 9, 2015 | marknesop.wordpress.com

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In order to be Doing The Right Thing, it is necessary for you to believe Russia is an isolated and reviled international pariah which has invaded its neighbor – Ukraine – with heavy armor, artillery and hundreds of thousands of uniformed soldiers in the country on state orders, and which shot down MH-17 so that it could blame it on innocent Ukraine (among other wild justifications). It is a country which makes nothing and is totally reliant on energy exports; backward, barbaric, uncultured and unlettered, deceitful and underhanded.

An excellent example to start off with is Forbes, featuring the clownish oaf Paul Roderick Gregory. Mr. Gregory was one of the first to latch on to the scoop that Russia had inadvertently published the figures of its dead in the "Eastern Ukrainian Campaign", in a small, innocuous business newspaper called Delovaya Zhizn (Business Life). Then, the story goes, the government frantically deleted the information, but not before some sharp-eyed truthseekers hasd pounced on it and exposed it to the world. Yahoo – staunchly Russophobic in its news content – jumped on it as well. Social media dismembered it in hours and revealed it as a fake, while the purported representative of Business Life claimed the site had been hacked from a Kiev-registered IP on August 22nd, and the bogus data inserted long enough to be captured, then erased. The excitement the story caused in the media was something to see, and the Twitter storm – led by luminaries like Michael McFaul drawing attention to it for all they were worth – was furious while it lasted. Once it was exposed as a fake, the story just kind of…went away. Nobody said sorry.

No western news story on Russia or Ukraine is complete without the insertion of the phrase "Russian aggression" like a trademark, and an assertion that Russia has large numbers of military troops in Ukraine although it cynically denies it. News sites regularly claim there is "pretty overwhelming evidence" that Russia and Putin are lying, but none of them ever cite any, and the United States refuses to release any satellite imagery confirming the purported troop movements or transit of armored columns. It must be sensitive about Putin's feelings, and is protecting him. Ha, ha.

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CNN's "Banned! 10 Things You Won't Find in Russia" is, unsurprisingly, horseshit. The law forbidding "gay propaganda" does not "mean anyone campaigning for LGBT rights or equating straight and gay relationships can be prosecuted. " It is quite specific that it may not be pitched to minor children, but the United States has become so chuffed with itself over how gay-friendly it is that it seems to think nobody is too young to learn how to do it the gay way. How about three – is three too young, do you think? Thinking about sending your gender nonconforming three-year-old son to Crossdresser Camp? I wonder if the other boys in his class – when he's, say 12 – are going to be as supportive? Gay adults can do as they please in Russia, as they always could, and homosexuality was legal in Russia ten years before the USA got around to saying it was okay to be gay.

Anonymous blogs are illegal – oh, dear. That should be of great concern to the civil libertarians who are sharing their phone conversations with the NSA, have been for some time before it was revealed, and the NSA refuses to stop, while the government refuses to make them. National security, you know. Think about that next time you're discussing your hemorrhoids with your doctor on the telephone.

Western food is banned; quite a lot of it, anyway. Why is that, CNN, again? Because of sanctions imposed against Russia. Why? Well, because the Russians shot down MH-17, of course! And before anyone calls tit-for-tat sanctions "childish", yes, they are. But you're talking to the country that changed the name of the American street on which the Soviet Embassy was located to "Andrei Sakharov Street", just for spite. The Wall Street Journal called it "simple but inspired". They were half-right: it was simple. Stay tuned for the U.S. Embassy to be on "Edward Snowden Boulevard".

Foul language is banned from films and television. Oh, no. How could anyone sit through a movie in America if it was not non-stop swearing from start to finish…kind of like conversation is in the USA. Ridden a city bus lately? Honestly, America has become the proverbial caricature of itself, so obsessed with slagging off the Russians in an attempt to humiliate them that it portrays being The Sopranos from sea to shining sea as some kind of virtue.

Drug related websites. The mind reels. Where is I gonna get my hit on, iffen I can't fin' my on-line dealer? CNN….man, I just don't know. I used to think, when I still watched CNN, probably about 10 years ago, that Wolf Blitzer was the worst thing about it. But now you is on a ho' notha level. Freedom…is drug-related websites.

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The Independent (owned by a Russian oligarch – oops! "Tycoon", I meant, which is how western newspapers sucked up to Poroshenko the Billionaire after he took over the presidency of Ukraine) reports, completely gratuitously, that Moscow is "the world's unfriendliest city"; so designated by a survey conducted among the readers of Travel & Leisure Magazine! Which had a total circulation, in 2011, of just under 971,000. Ha, ha!! Jesus, listen to yourselves, will you? More than twice as many people read Rolling Stone, Bon Appetit and Golf Digest as read Travel & Leisure. Take a flying leap at a rolling doughnut, Travel & Leisure! Who gives a toss what you think? We'll see all 971,000 of you in Galway, Ireland (rated the "friendliest" city), and you'd probably all fit.

Timothy Snyder, eminent historian and defender of the Maidan, tells whoever will listen that Kiev is the only bilingual capital in Europe. Mind you, he also says Ukraine is a country of 50 million people, when he's actually spotting them about 10 million. Ukraine lost around 3 million people in 2014 – and you know where they went – and the population currently stands at just under 43 million according to the state statistics service. But what's a couple of million more or less? We routinely hear how a million or two well-educated and talented people rush for the exits in Russia every year, but by some miracle the population is increasing! The babushkas must be knitting new Russians in the basement at night, like the Keebler elves.

There's no need to dissect Snyder's embarrassing knowledge deficit further – my colleague, Paul Robinson, does a wonderful job of that – but suffice it to say Kiev is far from the only bilingual capital in Europe. More importantly, Snyder is playing up the distinctive nature of Ukrainian as if being able to switch between Russian and Ukrainian is an accomplishment on a par with speaking French and English. Russian and Ukrainian are both East Slavic languages descended from a common root – the language of the medieval Kievan Rus – and are mutually intelligible; that is, the two have sufficient common elements that if you can speak one fluently, you will be able to understand much of the other.

Get the picture? Western leaders, through the western media, rely on feted "experts" who do not know if their ass is bored or punched, but who nonetheless blather whatever their paymasters want to hear – and what they want to hear, pretty consistently, is that Russia is barbaric, weak and surly, reeling from sanctions which are wringing its economy like a dishrag. They want to hear that its population is steadily declining, thanks to its increasingly unpopular and unstable president. Timothy Garton Ash regularly paints a bloodcurdling – if you're a Russian – picture of a tottering giant about to topple. Edward Lucas, narcissistic British bonehead, rails against Putin's non-existent determination to bring the Baltics under his dictatorial command. Craaazzzy Annie Applebaum, Mrs former-Polish-political-wunderkind, snaps at her own entrails in a Russophobic delirium. Julia Ioffe. Luke Harding. Shaun Walker and Roland Oliphant. Simon Ostrovsky of Vice News. Rainbow-Brite Hater Jamie Kirchik of The Daily Beast. Too many to name them all, each pumping out soporific smoke that reassures westerners of their ongoing moral superiority and perspicacious judgment. All of it totally manufactured nonsense, delivered with a straight face in an atmosphere in which nobody wishes to challenge their accuracy, because it just feels so good to let go and believe.

I'm not arguing this so the west will come to its senses and try to repair the damage it has done to international relationships, entirely owing to society's own myopic stupidity and epic eagerness to be fooled. It's much too late for that; Russia has reached the realization that it cannot be a partner to the west so long as Russia insists upon making its own decisions and following its own policies. Consequently, it is decisively turning away from the west and reordering its markets, its institutions and its partnerships. Some business relationships might recover, but the west will not be trusted again for a generation at least. Because you can't trust someone who will not listen to reason.

I'm arguing it because the rest of the world is looking aghast at the west as if it had gotten drunk at their kids' birthday party and made an ass of itself, and it's embarrassing.

et Al says: September 9, 2015 at 11:20 am

Well Mark, the torrent of b/s spouted by the self-proclaimed and good will only serve one function in the end – something for Western Screaming Heads (TM) to drown in as none of what they produce actually makes a damn worth of difference. There is no talent preaching to the converted, but much of these so called credibly western institutions have also lost credibility with their own citizens. It's a model case of the decline and fall of empire & power. It's only going to get funkier.

Meanwhile, as if on cue, the Brits are still playing at calling the shots:

Neuters: UK softens tone against Syria's Assad, moots transition period
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/09/09/uk-mideast-crisis-syria-hammond-idUKKCN0R91SF20150909

Britain could accept Syrian President Bashar al-Assad staying in place for a transition period if it helped resolve the country's conflict, Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond said on Wednesday, in what appeared to be a softening of tone on the Syrian leader….

…Reuters reported on Wednesday that Russian forces have begun participating in combat operations in Syria to help defend Assad's government, citing three Lebanese sources familiar with the political and military situation there.

Hammond told parliament's Foreign Affairs Committee that a political rather than military solution was needed and said Britain had made clear to Russia and Iran, Assad's principal international allies, that it would be prepared to discuss a plan which saw him stay on temporarily.

"If there is a sensible plan for transition that involves Assad remaining in some way involved in the process for a period of time we will look at that, we will discuss it. We are not saying he must go on day one," he said, adding that the transition could be a period of months….

…Hammond rejected Russia's suggestion Syria could hold snap parliamentary elections which could see Assad share power.

"That is not an acceptable position. The international community cannot in my view facilitate and oversee a set of elections in which somebody guilty of crimes of the scale that Assad has committed is able to run for office," he said…

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We'll not hang you now Bashar, we'll hang you a bit later. Deal?

The Brits yet again speaking for the US. Who needs puppets when you can have a poodle? Woof!

marknesop , September 9, 2015 at 12:53 pm

That's the kind of stuff that makes me throw things. Jesus Q. Johnnycake, what is it with Britain and its conviction that the world is comprised of Britain, and her colonies, which she suffers to live only insofar as they conform to a standard of decorum bred in Whitehall? Poxy gits; "Britain could accept Syrian President Bashar al-Assad staying in place for a transition period if it helped resolve the country's conflict, Foreign Secretary Philip Hammond said on Wednesday". Is that so? What that has been instigated by the UK in the last decade would lead you to believe Britain's opinion was indispensable?

"…Hammond rejected Russia's suggestion Syria could hold snap parliamentary elections which could see Assad share power.

"That is not an acceptable position. The international community cannot in my view facilitate and oversee a set of elections in which somebody guilty of crimes of the scale that Assad has committed is able to run for office," he said…"

That's because he knows full well Assad would win in a landslide, and the appropabation of his people cannot be allowed to interfere with Britain railroading him for war crimes without a trial. War crimes! Jesus Christ! What the fuck does he think has been goinmg on in Ukraine?? There's a whole hell of a lot more evidence of what's going on there and who's responsible for it, but "the international community" could not care less.

I had to take a deep-breathing break. The important thing is to get some effort brought to bear on reversing ISIS and driving them back, and eventually, out. Then Russia will have a little more breathing room for Britain's case to collapse. I'm sure Russia would not preserve Assad only to see the British cart him off to The Hague.

I was just reading an old post, linked in another reply, and ran across some research I did on the position of General Secretary of the UN. Did you know that Bill Clinton and Tony Blair were nominated to run against Ban Ki-Moon? Blair was still PM at the time, and the UN General Secretary cannot be from any of the veto-wielding powers, so they were both ineligible – but can you imagine?

et Al , September 10, 2015 at 3:14 am

It's a particularly British skill putting other people's backs up. Today we call it trolling for that is surely what his PR team is aiming at. Why? Because they can and they enjoy it.

Of course, two can play at that game, but the Russians should, selectively do this also. It's not hard.

If only Philip Hammond had an actual talent apart from trolling that was valuable. Something like this:

Warren , September 9, 2015 at 11:26 am

Oddlots , September 9, 2015 at 5:23 pm

Out-fucking-standing. Finally we have been able to field an adult. This is EXACTLY what we need to hear.

Cheered me up no end.

et Al , September 10, 2015 at 3:40 am

He's a threat to the national security state. By hook, or by crook, professionals will try to make sure that he doesn't become Prime Minister. Assuming that he becomes Labor leader, these professionals have less than five years.

james , September 9, 2015 at 12:41 pm

thanks mark… "Nobody said sorry." that and the constant hypocrisy from the west via the msm, drives me fucking crazy.. lying and pushing for all the wrong reasons never really impressed me.. at bit part of me doesn't follow the msm for these reasons.. when the herd is going one way, i'm going to be going the other way.. fb – naw… msm – naw, living in a cave – yeah, lol.. i admire your work trying to dissect it all.. that is a constant uphill battle that isn't ever going to stop!

james@wpc , September 9, 2015 at 1:08 pm

Well said, Mark. I agree the road ahead looks bleak and is not about to get any better any day soon.

The reason for the eye-rolling of the rest of the world is that few in the West know how to think. Fewer still know that they have been deliberately taught not to think (through being ridiculed for asking questions and not being told the difference between Knowledge, Understanding and Wisdom) and to look to shills and idiots known as 'experts' to do their thinking for them.

This is not how we survived two million years. Oops, sorry, that should read 6000 years . . . . and never mind those dinosaur bones! Regardless, we will not survive a similar time span either way, or anything like it, into the future

Warren , September 9, 2015 at 1:18 pm

Published on 9 Sep 2015
An unsourced story originating on an Israeli website claimed Russia was about to deploy significant military assistance to Syria to fight Islamic State. This set the media aflame and had Washington issuing warnings. The story was not only unsourced, but also untrue. But it did reveal how the West frames its illegal war against Syria. CrossTalking with Eric Draitser, Danny Makki and Fawaz Gerges.

Lyttenburgh , September 9, 2015 at 4:18 pm

Another great article, Mark!

I've been arguing since… 2012, I think, that the West, it's media – both entertainment and news services – are beholden to what I call an "Ouroboros effect". There is one successful, time-tasted and profitable trademark, let's call it – "Russophobia". It sells. It sells really good. There is a constant demand for it and no shortage of supply.

But the most beatiful thing of all? "Ouroboros effect" is self sustaining! Clients demand more of what they like and are used to ("Russophobia"), and the producers are glad to oblige, supply them (and a few of uninitiated) with it, thus strengthening the clients perceptions on the topic in question and making them crave more of it.

Clients are fed basically the same stuff for decades with little or no variations in flavor or consistence – and they gladly swallow all of it and demand more.

And this "immortal, perfectly constructed animal" (Plato's words, not mine) has an in-built defense systems. Someone is suggesting that biting and sucking your own tail right next to a place where your feces come out is disgusting and there are more healthy things to eat around here? Why, it must paid Kremlin's propaganda, paid Kremlin-trolls, brainwashed serfs of the Regime or bullied by KGB poor and innocent souls. They are not to be trusted, for sure.

Someone said, that a true totalitarism is not the fact that a StateSec can come one day and take away some "undesirable". It's when the neighbors of these "undesirables" are ratting them away, or take part in lynching of the "Enemy", while policing each other for the slightest sign of sedition and calling it "Being Vigilant". Or something like that.

Currently there is no any meaningful dialog between the West and Russia. On any level. I'm speaking not only about governments here – I'm talking about every single level of possible communication. Ultimately, I'm talking about people. The West preaches that "when people from different ethnic and religious and cultural backgrounds come together it enriches learning and creativity". In fact, it actually means that everyone must adopt "universal" (read – Western) set of values to be successful and productive, and all other opinions are just "undesirable".

Right now, I don't see any way to change the Western narrative about Russia. Russophobia is a time-tested product in high demand. The West demands from Russia "conversion" to its superior "values" and is not interested in any compromises or even entertaining the mere thought that the Culturally Superior West might adopt something from Russia as well. And Russia for a change decided that it's fed up with this sanctimonious shit piled on it for decades and would rather have an independent policy, thank you very much.

Ouroboros will suck on its own tail. Maybe, when it stops this highly entertaining activity the whole wide world will experience the escape from the wheel of Sansara and unite in a humanity-wide Nirvana. Or the pigs will learn to fly.

et Al , September 10, 2015 at 8:12 am

What exquisite timing:

Financial Crimes: Russian group accused of hacking satellites
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/50b1ff84-571d-11e5-9846-de406ccb37f2.html?ftcamp=published_links/rss/googlenews/feed//product&google_editors_picks=true

One of the world's most sophisticated hacking groups, linked to the Russian government, has been accused of hijacking vulnerable commercial satellite communications, using hidden receiving stations in Africa and the Middle East to mask attacks on Western military and governmental networks.

The group, which operates Ouroboros - the virulent malware also known as "Snake" or "Turla" - was outed last year as having mounted aggressive cyber espionage operations against Ukraine and a host of other European and American government organisations over nearly a decade.

In a report released on Wednesday, digital security and intelligence firm Kaspersky Lab, which was among the first to analyse the Ouroboros hackers' activities in 2014, said it had identified a new "exquisite" attack channel being used by the group that was virtually untraceable…

…Western security officials have previously told the Financial Times they believe Ouroboros to be a Russian operation - a fact supported by the group's targets and clues in the coding of the malware itself.

Satellite operators are meanwhile powerless to prevent the hackers from routing requests through their networks - at least for the next few years. The only other way to do so, experts note, would be for them to encrypt all of their downstream communications - a process that would require the launch of entirely new satellite arrays.

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This piece certainly ticks all the boxes of Fear Uncertainly & Doubt.

Two points:

1: Not only would new satellites have to be sent up, but satellite receiving equipment would have to be upgraded on the ground, though I would assume that these days is could be done through software;

2: But, bu, but haven't we been told many times that Kaspersky – a Russian software security firm – is close to the Kremlin. If so, then why 'uncover' this story that would be so apparently damaging to their own friends? Of course this is one step of logic that no self-respecting active or passive russophobic journalist, or simply one enjoying it, would deign to ask.

So you see, yet again and apart from Kaspersy in this case, no other named source is willing to come out and publicly name finger the Russians and of course the Kremlin by association. Yes kids, its is journalism at its finest!

marknesop , September 10, 2015 at 1:07 pm

Yes, the "western analysts" to whom they refer are probably FireEye, a California firm, who claimed that a super-capable virus program it discovered "was programmed on Russian-language machines and built during working hours in Moscow." We've already been over how idiotic that is.

Warren , September 9, 2015 at 4:18 pm

Syria crisis: Nato concerned by Russia 'military build-up'

The US and Nato have expressed concern over reports that Russia is increasing its military presence in Syria.

Nato chief Jens Stoltenberg said if confirmed, Russia's involvement would not help to solve the conflict.

Separately on Wednesday, US Secretary of State John Kerry "reiterated" his concerns to Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov over the phone.

Russia, a key ally of Syria during its four-year civil war, says it has sent military experts but that is all.
Correspondents say that without Moscow's backing, Syrian President Bashar al-Assad may have fallen by now.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34205003

marknesop , September 9, 2015 at 5:04 pm

It is clear the USA does not want any help in Syria, unless it is from its trusted allies. I wonder why? Does Washington honestly think people are so dozy that they can't catch on? A couple of other things are clear, too; one, either the USA's intelligence is terrible or it did not even bother to check if the rumors are true, because the Kremlin has said it has no immediate plans to intervene in Syria. However, two, the USA obviously does not trust the answer, because it has already taken the step of asking European allies in the region to deny permission for overflight to Russia. It seems fairly obvious that the USA does not want Russia in Syria even though it is "losing" to ISIS.

I'm sure the Kremlin is well aware that the USA is covertly helping and encouraging ISIS, and hopes they will overrun Damascus. And Britain's snooty attitude about Assad possibly continuing in his position as leader suggests they expect the push that will overwhelm Assad to come soon. I can't believe Russia is just going to sit back and let it happen, knowing the main purpose is to enable a Qatari gas pipeline that will cut it out of the European gas market.

Patient Observer , September 9, 2015 at 5:56 pm

The pipeline is a big deal but they also want to remove (no, murder) any non-compliant national leader – need to keep up the image of invincibility. Notice how the leaders of Iraq, Serbia and Libya were all murdered directly or indirectly by Western hands.

Western propaganda simply provides cover for the vast majority of the US population who are fearful of recognizing the Empire's hideous face,

It has come up in this blog from time to time that most Americans are basically decent and simply lack access to truthful information. I tend to disagree. Anyone with decency and half a brain would not be deluded by the idiocy that passes for news. In short, the majority of Americans choose to be ignorant because they are cowards.

Fern , September 9, 2015 at 6:14 pm

You're quite right about the importance of the image of invincibility achieved by the literal or metaphorical grinding of all opposition into the dirt. In addition to the list you give, it seems that Yanukovich was also targeted for assassination, only narrowly escaping with his life and yet his 'crime' was the seemingly pretty minor one of deferring the EU Association Agreement. The same kind of conquering mentality was discernible in the Greek bailout negotiations when the Troika went all out to heap humiliation on Tspiras. A glimpse of the psychopaths behind the liberal, democratic masks.

james@wpc , September 9, 2015 at 6:00 pm

This is speculation but what makes sense to me is that there is a faction (at least) within the Russian govt that is pushing for upping the military support to Syria and this fabricated controversy is an attempt to head off that internally proposed Russian initiative.

All this, to me, points to the US getting desperate to overcome the SAA, and soon, otherwise 'all is lost'

Oddlots , September 9, 2015 at 5:54 pm

"…rely on feted "experts" who do not know if their ass is bored or punched…"

God you make me laugh.

Thanks for the intro to Rory Galagher. Completely new to me. Working through some you tube videos and it's far better for my blood-pressure than getting caught up on the day's "mendacity index."

Btw I came across this today:

marknesop , September 9, 2015 at 9:15 pm

Yes, the plan to tip over Syria does go back quite a bit, and the USA has always wanted to take him out because he is a Russian ally. His refusal of the Qatari pipeline deal put the writing on the wall for him.

Oddlots , September 9, 2015 at 10:10 pm

I remember some U.S. Economic wonk talking about the way Syria seemed to sit out the GFC of 2008 as if it was somehow sinister that the "cheap seats" would get a – cough – pass.

Wish I could remember who it was. Someone of Summers' stature but not him.

At the time it struck me as utterly perverse: Let me get this straight… You are belittling this country because its government – maybe by accident: who cares? – has insulated its citizens from the worst of our epochal melt down? You do realize, given the country's level of development, that you are talking about whether the population can, you know, eat?

Of course no-one called him on it.

Cortes , September 10, 2015 at 7:33 am

US "successes" analysed:

http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/176042/tomgram%3A_nick_turse%2C_nothing_succeeds_like_failure/

marknesop, September 10, 2015 at 1:00 pm

I smell the earthy and pastoral bouquet of bovine excrement. Both USA Today and Die Zeit are agreed that ISIS/ISIL numbers only about 20,000-30,000 members. Yet representatives of the "USA-led Coalition" claim to have killed more than 15,000 of them, in around 5,500 air strikes – an air strike for every 6 people in the organization.

Oh, sure, USA Today claims that recruiting has offset the losses, but seriously – a force of no more than 30,000 is prevailing against the Syrian Army and the USA-led Coalition, despite the fact that it has no air force of its own, and gaining like a brush fire? What kind of nancies is the USA-led coalition recruiting these days? Can you hear, ghost of Simon de Montfort, whose tiny force of French knights defeated a force more than 20 times their own number at Muret? It's no good – the professionalism of the Syrian army is well-established, and they were enjoying significant success against the rebels until the USA poked its warty nose in and said "I insist that I help you; no, no, you're not doing it right", and ISIS straight away began to gain ground. There is no reasonable explanation other than that Washington will countenance no other outcome than an ISIS victory, and is working energetically toward that goal.

Moscow Exile , September 9, 2015 at 8:58 pm

ООН: на Донбассе погибли почти 8 тыс. человек

UN: in the Donbass almost 8 thousand people have died
Almost 8 thousand people have lost their lives in Eastern Ukraine since mid-April 2014. This is stated in a report published by the UN Monitoring mission on human rights in the Ukraine, reports Ukraine National News.

In the report, which covers the period from 16 may to 15 August 2015, it is noted that the number of civilian casualties has increased by more than half compared with the previous three months: 105 people were killed and 308 injured compared to 60 killed and 102 wounded between February 16 and may 15.

So, since the conflict began in Eastern Ukraine in mid-April of 2014, at least 7,962 people, including members of the Ukrainian Armed forces, civilians and members of armed groups, have been killed and at least 17,811 wounded, the high Commissioner said, citing the latest available data.

And a deathly silence about this in the Western media.

Oddlots , September 9, 2015 at 10:13 pm

According to S.F. Cohen German intelligence puts the figure at 50 k and that seems reasonable to me. But out of date.

marknesop , September 9, 2015 at 10:32 pm

I'm with him. The casualties in Syria are hyped considerably higher than the real figure, because the activists want to provoke a NATO intervention and a high kill count argues for that, while the aim in Ukraine is the exact opposite.

et Al , September 10, 2015 at 4:21 am

That's the Bosnian Gambit. Not long after the civil war in Bosnia started, Cherif Bassiouni picked 200,000 dead Bosnian civilians out of his ass and the Pork Pie News Networks ran with it like an olympic gold marathon runner.

He of course hails from the De Paul university, one of the biggest sources serbophobic hate during the conflict. He's a Humanitarian War warrior of the first odor:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M._Cherif_Bassiouni

Moscow Exile , September 10, 2015 at 12:16 am

Yes, Cohen and German intelligence say that the 8K figure only correlates to morgue body counts; the total figure is much higher.

Yukie news and Western Pork Pie News always implies these deaths are caused by the blood thirsty Evil One. Svidomite bloggers even post pictures of slaughtered by Yukie army artillery barrages Donbass civilians, stating that this is the work of Russia's bloody hands.

Included in those Svidomite propaganda blogs are horrific images of disembowelled, limbless Ukrainian Donbass citizens, including women and babies and small children. The Svidomites even show pictures of those civilians murdered by Yukie air force cluster bombs at Lugansk, including pictures of that woman in the red dress who had her legs partly blasted off and who was still conscious and speaking shortly before she died, claiming that their deaths were caused by Putin.

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Польша: зудящее желание реституции
Poland: A nagging desire for restitution

Poland – the eternal enemy of the Ukraine. And it is unfortunate that the representatives of the Kiev regime are not capable of recognizing this fact that has been written and voiced by many historical and philosophical minds. So says the leader of the Ukraine Union of Left Forces,, Vasilii Volga, who is amused by the misunderstanding shown by high representatives of the Kiev regime as regards the real goals of the relationship between the Ukraine and the heirs of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.

Yeah, well … the perfidious Moskaly subhuman Orcs are the real enemy of the Ukraine, aren't they?

marknesop , September 10, 2015 at 9:34 am

I would be willing to bet that a map strikingly similar to the one pictured was swimming in and out of the consciousness of former NATO Secretary-General-in-waiting Radek Sikorsky when he blurted out that outrageous falsehood about hearing Putin propose the carving-up of Ukraine to Poland's leaders. He went for it because he knew English-speakers would immediately assume it was true, and did not count on Polish pushback from his rivals because, like most stuck-on-themselves diplomatic golden boys, it did not occur to him that he had any serious rivals among the dullards that make up his fellows in Poland's political milieu. I am more sure all the time that his bold declaration was a trial balloon to gauge Europe's reaction to Poland's repatriation of its former lands. He just decided to float it as a Russian plan in case Europe freaked out. He probably thought it was foolproof.

[Sep 09, 2015] 'Washington infected with anti-Russia virus' – senate leader Matviyenko

Warren, September 8, 2015 at 1:11 pm
'Washington infected with anti-Russia virus' – senate leader Matviyenko

Anti-Russian sanctions and visa restrictions only demonstrate a lack of professionalism by US diplomats, as it is not in the Russian mentality to give in to intimidation, the upper house chair states in a major interview.

"The people in Washington who initiate decisions are infected with an anti-Russian virus. They lack foresight because they don't know the history of our nation, they don't understand the mentality of our people or our traditions, they don't know that one should never use the language of force and sanctions in talks with Russia," Valentina Matviyenko told Izvestia daily.

She also noted that the origin of the anti-Russian sentiments of American politicians lied in the serious geo-political struggle and the desire to contain Russia's development in the economic and social spheres as well as its growing influence in international politics.

https://www.rt.com/politics/314710-washington-infected-with-anti-russia/

[Sep 09, 2015] They don't call it the Empire of Chaos for nothing

"...My impression is that the West is content with creating chaos if it can not readily control a country – they don't call it the Empire of Chaos for nothing. By that measure, Libya was a smashing success and Iraq is getting there."
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"...But really it is just self serving BS where the western crusaders are always morally superior and justified in their imperial adventures while the barbarians are inferior in every way and need to be pacified. This syndrome has been afflicting the west for more than 1000 years and shows no evidence of going away in spite of all the cultural progress."
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"...True. But at least it affirms that, when Russia "invades", or intervenes, it puts in place an alternative to the chaos so typical of western intervention. The West has to learn that when you trash a country, the West's rivals and enemies are just as likely to benefit as any of our friends."
Jeremn, September 8, 2015 at 7:42 am
Interesting analysis of Russian strategy in Ukraine, and beyond. Concludes the strategy is "low cost" and effective, at least compared to recent US adventures:

"What most discussions of a possible Russian invasion of the Baltics share in common is their inability to explain what is in it for the Russians. Exactly why Russia would risk war against the most powerful military alliance in the world led by the United States in order to seize something in the Baltics remains an analytical quandary. Russia's cautious and measured approach against a relatively weak, incapable, and non-aligned Ukraine offers little support to the notion that it would risk war with NATO."

http://warontherocks.com/2015/09/putin-is-a-far-better-strategist-than-you-think/

marknesop, September 8, 2015 at 8:16 am
The trouble is, it assumes – as does every western assessment, without exception – that Russia is engaging in "limited conventional war" in Ukraine; that is, Russia is present in a state military capacity, uniformed soldiers, organized military formations, the lot. And nobody has been able to provide any proof of that at all. It is inconceivable that could be going on in one of the most heavy-surveillance areas on the globe and nobody would see it. You know the USA would provide proof if they actually had it – that "we have plenty of evidence" line is just bunk.
Jeremn, September 8, 2015 at 8:23 am
True. But at least it affirms that, when Russia "invades", or intervenes, it puts in place an alternative to the chaos so typical of western intervention. The West has to learn that when you trash a country, the West's rivals and enemies are just as likely to benefit as any of our friends.

As per Iran, and how after we defeated Afghanistan and Iraq, Iran's two major competitors, we were magically presented with a more powerful Iran – which seemed to appear out of nowhere.

marknesop, September 8, 2015 at 9:31 am

Yes, that's an excellent point. It still irks me, however, that the general public in the Anglosphere is so accepting of major allegations – Russia has battalions of soldiers and heavy armor in Ukraine, but you can't see them although it is largely open fields; Russia shot down MH-17 – without any demonstrated evidence at all. It's as if anything we'd like to believe is no longer off limits just because there's no evidence it is true.

kirill, September 8, 2015 at 12:23 pm

What has disappeared from the NATO propaganda wankfest if it ever even existed is any consideration for motive. Why would Russia deliberately shoot down MH-17? To prove how evil it is? This is beyond ridiculous and points to serious collective cognitive deficiency in NATO mainstream thought. But really it is just self serving BS where the western crusaders are always morally superior and justified in their imperial adventures while the barbarians are inferior in every way and need to be pacified. This syndrome has been afflicting the west for more than 1000 years and shows no evidence of going away in spite of all the cultural progress.

Patient Observer, September 8, 2015 at 5:13 pm

My impression is that the West is content with creating chaos if it can not readily control a country – they don't call it the Empire of Chaos for nothing. By that measure, Libya was a smashing success and Iraq is getting there.

[Sep 09, 2015] One Shale Boom That Is Bulletproof To The Current Market Chaos

Sep 09, 2015 | OilPrice.com

Argentina is home to 27 billion barrels of recoverable oil and 802 trillion cubic feet of natural gas and its two shale basins could end up being bigger than the Eagle Ford and Bakken. But adding to the attraction is another significant aspect at a time of slumping oil prices: For producers in Argentina, the price of natural gas and oil is fixed at $7.5 per million British Thermal Units (BTU) for new gas developments and U.S.D $75 to $77 per barrel respectively, well above international oil prices.

[Sep 08, 2015] Weak economic outlook and oversupply weigh on oil markets

U.S. crude (CLc1) was at $44.31 per barrel at 0425 GMT, down $1.74 since Friday's close, weighed down by the closure of the largest crude distillation unit at Exxon Mobil Corp's (XOM.N) 502,500 barrel-per-day (bpd) Baton Rouge, Louisiana, refinery.

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"Brent will likely be range-bound and volatile over the next 12 months as the supply overhang is worked off," Morgan Stanley said, adding that it expected the glut to be worked off and result in higher prices by the fourth quarter of next year.

"In the interim, non-fundamental factors (FX, macro themes, fund flows, etc.) and headlines will likely remain key price drivers," the bank said.

Oil prices have fallen almost 60 percent since June 2014 ...

On the supply side, recent speculation that Russia might be willing to cooperate with the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) to curb output in support of prices was given a blow on Monday after the chief executive of Russian oil major Rosneft ruled out a Russian cut.

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[Sep 08, 2015] Yatsenyuk fought in Chechnya - Russia's Investigative Committee

UNIAN news

Ukraine's current Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk used to fight in Chechnya against Russia, according to Aleksandr Bastrykin, head of Russia's Investigative Committee, reports Ukrainska Pravda citing the Russian newspaper Rossiyskaya Gazeta.

The Russian investigators have questions to the Ukrainian citizens Dmytro Korchinsky, Ihor Mazur, Valery Bobrovich of the UNA-UNSO, the leader of the Right Sector Dmytro Yarosh, the leader of the Svoboda Party Oleh Tiahnybok and his brother Andriy in connection with the war in Chechnya in 1994-1995, according to Bastrykin's interview with Rossiyskaya Gazeta, Ukrainska Pravda reported.

"The investigation also found that at the time, Arseniy Yatsenyuk fought by their side against the Russian military as part of Argo punitive group, and later - Viking, led by Oleksandr Muzychko," said Bastrykin.

"According to the investigation, Yatsenyuk took part in at least two of the armed confrontations that took place on December 31, 1994, on the Minutka square in Grozny and in February, 1995, outside the city hospital 9 in Grozny; as well as in torture and executions of prisoners," he said.

In addition, Bastrykin says that Yatsenyuk was conferred Honor of the Nation Dzhohar Dudayev's highest Honor of the Nation title in December, 1995.

"In early 1995, Arseniy Yatsenyuk returned to Ukraine via Georgia with a group of journalists. Later, he was repeatedly seen at conventions and other events of UNA-UNSO in Kyiv," said Bastrykin.

According to the official biography of Arseniy Yatsenyuk, in 1995, he had studied law at the University of Chernivtsi.

UNIAN memo. UNA-UNSO) is a Ukrainian political organisation seen as far-right in Ukraine and abroad. Although the Ukrainian National Assembly (UNA) was the organisation's political wing, on 22 May 2014 it merged with Right Sector; the UNA-UNSO continues to operate independently.

Oleksandr Muzychko was a Ukrainian political activist, a member of UNA-UNSO and coordinator of Right Sector in Western Ukraine. Russian prosecutors accused him of killing "at least 20" captive Russian soldiers during the First Chechen War. The inquiry by the Russian Investigative Committee began in March 2014, years after the alleged killings. Muzychko jumped into media spotlight on February 27, 2014, after attacked the Prosecutor of the Rivne region in his office. On 11 March 2014, Russian State Duma opposition leader Valery Rashkin urged Russian special services to "follow Mossad examples" and assassinate Right Sector leaders Dmytro Yarosh and Muzychko. On 24 March, 2014, Oleksandr Muzychko was shot dead.

[Sep 07, 2015] US, Canadian Shale Sectors Doomed if Oil Price Drops Below $45 Per Barrel

Muhammad Sahimi, professor of chemical engineering and materials science at the University of Southern California, agreed that the tumbling global oil price was likely to be followed by a dramatic shrinkage in the US oil and gas sector.

"Clearly, if the oil price is too low, shale fracking become un-economical," Sahimi, co-founder and editor of the website, Iran News & Middle East Reports, told Sputnik. "Many of the shale formations are [only] economical for fracking, if the oil price is in the range of $60-$70 a barrel."

Sahimi explained that if the oil price stays low, it would not be economical to continue fracking. "Many of the oil companies that depend on fracking will have a net negative balance sheet this year."

Sahimi warned that 50 percent of all US companies dependent on fracking were at risk of ruin in the current global energy glut.

"I estimate that at least half of such companies are already bankrupt, or will go bankrupt by the end of the current year, if the oil price does not change upward dramatically," he said.

Eventually, Sahimi predicted, the combination of bankruptcies, mergers and acquisitions in the United States and Canada with cutbacks in production by some other major global producers would stabilize global oil prices again.

"It will probably hover around $40-50," he explained. "It may last for a while, but cannot last too long. Saudi Arabia can cut back production to raise the price."

Although the Saudi Arabia had maintained high production in the short term to bring economic pressure to bear on Iran, their own need to ensure high annual income meant they had to cut production at some point to restore higher prices, he said.

[Sep 06, 2015] U.S. tight oil production decline

"...In any case, what causes a peak is the inability to offset declines from existing wells, and therefore the higher the production rate, the closer we are to a peak, because the volumetric decline from existing wells increases in tandem with the increase in production (it's pretty amazing that so few people are willing to admit this)."
"...I am sorry James but why aren't economists looking at the 10-Ks and noticing that none of the companies were cash flow positive even when oil prices were very high and the wells drilled were in the more productive areas? Why haven't they noticed that when the big players came into the shale space they got burned even though they paid less for the properties than what the sellers were saying they were worth on the conference calls. "
"...the shale story was a big scam driven by easy access to borrowing. Given the massive increase in debt on the balance sheets of most producers and the high depletion rates I just can't see how the sector can go on selling its narrative for that much longer. Note that in June 2012 the Bakken data showed 4162 wells producing an average of 144 barrels per day. The June 2015 data, which is the last month available, shows 9912 wells producing 116 barrels per day. The number of wells has more than doubled yet the production rate has fallen has fallen by 19.4%. The new wells are high IP wells yet the production rate has fallen has fallen by 19.4%. Sorry for the repetition but most people gloss over the implications. The simple fact is that when you look at the math and the 10-Ks, the narrative being told by the EIA, USGS, and the Wall Street analysts does not work very well.
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"...Peak, shale and tar production is a not-for-profit business, not unlike the US gov't, the Anglo-American imperial military, the USPS, the Corporation of Communist China, Amazon, Twitter, Tesla, and many biobubbletech companies, some with no REVENUES and a market cap of many billions of dollars."
"...I interpret this remark as there being far too many gratuitous prognostications that do nothing other than inject noise into the airwaves. Or equally as bad, heavily-hedged puffed-up bets that hold no water when held up to the light of day. Academic papers are major offenders in this regard. Over half are not worth the paper they are printed on. If it doesn't forecast, it is not science. "
"...Corruption at the highest level - crony capitalism as it is now called, otherwise since time immemorial known as vested interests – is strangling economic growth. It is an open question if Fed officials are corrupt. I do not want to think that of them. But certainly they are imbecilic in the mass devastation they have wrought since the time of Greenspan. We cannot yet look back from the vantage point of ten years out. But unless something changes regarding vested interests, coercive big government, and central banks run amok, the miserable last ten years will look like a walk in the park. This is an easy-to-make prediction in light of the crippling debt burden Keynesian economics has inflicted on this and future generations …"
Sep 01, 2015 | Econbrowser
U.S. oil production has begun to drop in response to low oil prices, but not as dramatically as many had anticipated.

Oil companies have cut back spending significantly in response to the fall in the price of oil. The number of rigs that are active in the main U.S. tight oil producing regions– the Permian and Eagle Ford in Texas, Bakken in North Dakota and Montana, and Niobrara in Wyoming and Colorado– is down 58% over the last 12 months.

Number of active oil rigs in counties associated with the Permian, Eagle Ford, Bakken, and Niobrara plays, monthly Jan 2007 to July 2015. Data source: EIA Drilling Productivity Report.

Number of active oil rigs in counties associated with the Permian, Eagle Ford, Bakken, and Niobrara plays, monthly Jan 2007 to July 2015. Data source: EIA Drilling Productivity Report.

Nevertheless, U.S. tight oil production continued to climb through April. It has fallen since, but the EIA estimates that September production will only be down 7%, or about 360,000 barrels/day, from the peak in April.

Actual or expected average daily production (in million barrels per day) from counties associated with the Permian, Eagle Ford, Bakken, and Niobrara plays, monthly Jan 2007 to September 2015. Data source: EIA Drilling Productivity Report.

Actual or expected average daily production (in million barrels per day) from counties associated with the Permian, Eagle Ford, Bakken, and Niobrara plays, monthly Jan 2007 to September 2015. Data source: EIA Drilling Productivity Report.

This is despite the fact that typically output from an existing well falls very quickly after it begins production. The EIA estimates that tight oil production from wells that have been in operation for 3 months or more has declined by 1.6 mb/d since April, as calculated by the sum of the EIA estimated monthly declines in legacy production from May to September.

Legacy production change (month-to-month production change, in thousands of barrels per day, coming from wells in operation 3 months or more) in counties associated with the Permian, Eagle Ford, Bakken, and Niobrara plays, Jan 2007 to Sept 2015. Data source: EIA Drilling Productivity Report.

Legacy production change (month-to-month production change, in thousands of barrels per day, coming from wells in operation 3 months or more) in counties associated with the Permian, Eagle Ford, Bakken, and Niobrara plays, Jan 2007 to Sept 2015. Data source: EIA Drilling Productivity Report.

One would think that these decline rates from existing wells and the drop in the number of rigs drilling new wells would mean that production would have fallen much more dramatically. Why didn't it? The answer is that there has been a phenomenal increase in productivity per rig. For example, the EIA estimates that operating a rig for a month in the Bakken would have led to a gross production increase of 388 barrels/day two years ago but can add 692 barrels today.

Average productivity (added gross daily barrels per month) per drilling rig from counties associated with the Permian, Eagle Ford, Bakken, and Niobrara plays, monthly Jan 2007 to September 2015. Data source: EIA Drilling Productivity Report.

Average productivity (added gross daily barrels per month) per drilling rig from counties associated with the Permian, Eagle Ford, Bakken, and Niobrara plays, monthly Jan 2007 to September 2015. Data source: EIA Drilling Productivity Report.

A key factor in the productivity gains is that companies are finding ways to complete wells faster, so that more wells can be drilled each month from the same number of rigs. For example, The Barrel reports that Occidental Petroleum "has seen a 40% decrease in spud to rig release time in the Wolfcamp area of its Permian holdings from 43 days in 2014 to 26 days in March this year with a target of eventually reaching 16 days."

The modest drop in U.S. production has been enough to start to bring inventories down. U.S. crude oil stocks last week were down more than 30 million barrels from April. But that still leaves them way above normal.

Source: EIA This Week in Petroleum.

Source: EIA This Week in Petroleum.

The drillers' cash flow is assisted not only by the improvements in efficiency just mentioned but also by the fact that the drop in demand for rigs means companies are seeing drops in day rates and other costs. Even so, major shale producers like EOG, Whiting, Pioneer, and Devon reported before-tax losses each of the last two quarters.

West Texas Intermediate averaged $53/barrel the first six months of this year. Last week it went as low as $38 before rebounding back to $45 by the end of the week.

Losing money is obviously not a sustainable business model, yet inventories have to come down further. Meanwhile, elsewhere in the world, Iraq oil production is up half a million barrels a day from a year ago, and Iran hopes to raise oil production by up to a million barrels a day once sanctions are lifted. Economic prospects for China, the world's second-biggest oil consumer after the United States, are cloudy.

Another part of the adjustment process is also underway, coming from the big cuts in capital expenditures for exploration and production for more conventional oil fields. This will also affect supply, but with significantly longer lead times than is the case of production of tight oil.

Gains in efficiency, lower costs of inputs, and, in the case of production outside the United States, appreciation of the dollar have all helped lower the marginal cost of producing oil.

Even so, the current price is well below the marginal cost, meaning one of two things has to happen. Either the price must rise or output from the higher-cost producers must fall further.

Bruce Hall August 30, 2015 at 2:18 pm

Prof. Mark Perry had a slightly different perspective on the dynamics of shale oil in the U.S.
http://www.aei.org/publication/shale-oil-a-tremendous-development-for-u-s-oil-production-shovel-ready-jobs-economic-growth-and-energy-independence/

The drop in U.S. production is reasonable considering the no-return on investment at current prices. The point is that current prices are most likely temporary and U.S. shale production can be geared up rather quickly if prices recover a bit. There seems to be quite a range of where the break-even point for shale oil is: http://www.cnbc.com/2015/08/20/us-crude-oils-break-even-cost-how-low-can-it-go.html


Jeffrey J. Brown, August 31, 2015 at 6:43 am

Drilling and completion activity can be geared up, but how quickly is a very interesting question, given the loss of experienced personnel and the loss of equipment, and given the damage to inactive rusting equipment. Also, given the enormous losses that bond investors have sustained in the value of their loans to shale players, one would think that capital will be harder to come by.

Ricardo, August 31, 2015 at 12:51 pm

Jeffery,

Bingo!!

We are close to seeing a repeat of the late 1990s when WTI went down to $10/bbl, essentially the cost of production. Then as the economy began to recover after the Bush supply theory tax cuts oil demand pushed prices through the roof. With a House, Senate, and Presidency of supply theory Republicans we could see a repeat of the oil conditions of early 2000s.

Hopefully the efficiencies that the Professor notes will help the supply shortages and hopefully the Republicans will resist the restrictionists who will cry "over-heating economy". They must remove production wedges allowing the markets to produce at prosperity levels.

A large part of this is the current deflationary policies of the FED. Yellen has done well to use restraint, reminiscent of Greenspan in the early 1990s, but she must resist falling prey to Greenspan's hubris and bringing on a deflationary decline.

Nony, September 6, 2015 at 10:27 am

I don't know. Six months? A year? Obviously there's spare capacity if rigs are sitting "rusting". And if there are people laid off. Probably a lot quicker to bring back a rig from cold stack than to build it new. And faster to get back laid off workers than to train new ones. (Some will still be sitting around and even those that got other jobs didn't likely get ones that pay as much.) Net, net: easier with spare capacity than without it. [And, FWIW, you can't simultaneously bemoan the laid off workers and stacked rigs, as some peakers have, and then say no one/nothing is available for the next boom.]

Capital is a commodity. It seeks returns. At $100/bbl there was a lot of opportunity (peakers really overplayed the whole "cashflow" story, etc.) At $50/bbl, there's way less opportunity. New opportunities will just be judged based off of price. If we go back to $100 with a strip, then the money comes back. They could care less if someone else lost money before. Just look at it rationally and mathematically as NPV optimization. [Plus with high decline, you can even hedge most of the price risk.]

Jeffrey J. Brown August 31, 2015 at 7:07 am

It's an article of faith among the Cornucopian Crowd, e.g., Mark Perry, that there is no sign of any kind of peak in sight, but in my opinion this assertion is manifestly false when it comes to actual global crude oil production (generally defined as crude oil with an API gravity of less than 45 API crude oil). Note that what the EIA calls "Crude oil" is actually Crude + Condensate (C+C).

When we ask for the price of oil, we generally get the prices of two grades of crude oils, WTI and Brent, both of which have average API gravities in the high 30's. But when we ask for the volume of oil, we get some combination of crude oil + condensate + natural gas liquids (NGL) + biofuels. In other words, we get the volume of actual crude oil + partial substitutes. This is analogous to asking a butcher for the price of beef, and he gives you the price of steak, but when you ask him how much beef he has on hand, he gives you total pounds of steak + roast + ground beef.

Shouldn't the price of an item directly relate to the quantity of that item and not to the quantity of the item being priced + partial substitutes?

But in any event, the fact that partial substitution has so far worked, in response to higher crude oil prices, does not mean that crude oil has not peaked.

Following is an essay, which I sent to some industry acquaintances, that I put together about a week ago:

Regarding oil prices, I may be one of the worst prognosticators around, especially when it comes to demand side analysis. My primary contribution has been as an amateur supply side analyst, especially in regard to net exports.

In any case, earlier this year I thought that we had hit the monthly low in Brent prices for the current oil price decline ($48 monthly average in January, 2015), and I thought we were more or less following an upward price trajectory, from the 1/15 low, similar to the price recovery following the 12/08 monthly oil price low ($40 for Brent).

However, a key difference between the 2008/2009 price decline and subsequent recovery and the 2014/2015 decline is that Saudi Arabia cut production from 2008 to 2009 while they increased production from 2014 to 2015.

But for what it's worth (perhaps not much), I think that this is a tremendous buying opportunity, in regard to oil and gas investments. I don't have any idea what Warren Buffet is doing right now*, but I would not be surprised to learn that he is aggressively investing in oil and gas.

The bottom line for me is that depletion marches on.

A few years ago, ExxonMobil put the decline from existing oil wells at about 4% to 6% per year. A recent WSJ article noted that analysts are currently putting the decline from existing oil wells at 5% to 8% per year (in my opinion, the 8% number is more realistic). At 8%/year, globally we need about 6.5 MMBPD of new Crude + Condensate (C+C) production every single year, just to offset declines from existing wells, or we need about 65 MMBPD of new C+C production over the next 10 years, just to offset declines from existing wells. This is equivalent to putting on line the productive equivalent of the peak production rate of about thirty-three (33) North Slopes of Alaska over the next 10 years.

It appears quite likely that global crude oil production (45 and lower API gravity crude oil) has been more or less flat to down since 2005, as annual Brent crude oil prices doubled from $55 in 2005 to $110 for 2011 to 2013 inclusive (remaining at $99 in 2014)–while global natural gas production and associated liquids, condensate and NGL, have (so far) continued to increase.

Following are links to charts showing normalized production values for OPEC 12 countries and global data. The gas, natural gas liquids (NGL) and crude + condensate (C+C) values are for 2002 to 2014 (except for gas, which is through 2013, EIA data in all cases). Both data charts show similar increases for gas, NGL and C+C from 2002 to 2005, with inflection points in both cases for C+C in 2005. My premise is that condensate production, in both cases, accounts for virtually all of the post-2005 increase in C+C production.

Global Gas, NGL and C+C:
http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i475/westexas/Global%20Gas%20NGL%20C%20amp%20C_zpskb5bxu6d.jpg

OPEC 12 Gas, NGL and C+C:
http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i475/westexas/OPEC%20Gas%20NGL%20C%20amp%20C_zpsox3lqdkj.jpg

Currently, we only have crude oil only data for the OPEC 12 countries and for Texas (note that what the EIA calls "Crude oil" is actually C+C).

Also following is a link to OPEC 12 implied condensate (EIA C+C less OPEC crude) and OPEC crude only from 2005 to 2014 (OPEC data prior to 2005 was for a different set of exporters than post-2005). Obviously, data quality is an issue, and the boundary between actual crude and condensate is sometimes fuzzy. In any case, we have to deal with the data that we have.

OPEC 12 Crude and Implied Condensate:
http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i475/westexas/OPEC%20Crude%20and%20Condensate_zps12rfrqos.jpg

As of 2014, OPEC and the US accounted for 53% of global C+C production (41 MMBPD out of 78 MMBPD). Implied OPEC condensate production increased by 1.2 MMBPD from 2005 to 2014 (1.2 to 2.4). The EIA estimates that US condensate production increased by about 1.0 MMBPD from 2011 to 2014. I'm estimating that US condensate production may have increased by around 1.2 MMBPD or so from 2005 to 2014. Based on the foregoing, increased condensate production by OPEC and the US may have accounted for about 60% (about 2.4 MMBPD) of the 4 MMBPD increase in global C+C production from 2005 to 2014.

Combining the US and OPEC estimates, the US + OPEC ratio of condensate to C+C production may have increased from about 4.6% in 2005 to about 10% in 2014. If this rate of increase in the global condensate to C+C ratio is indicative of total global data, it implies that actual global crude oil production (45 and lower API gravity) was approximately flat from 2005 to 2014, at about 70 MMBPD.

In other words, the available data seem quite supportive of my premise that actual global crude oil production (45 API and lower gravity crude oil) effectively peaked in 2005, while global natural gas production and associated liquids, condensate and NGL, have (so far) continued to increase.

If it took trillions of dollars of upstream capex to keep us on an "Undulating Plateau" in actual global crude oil production, what happens to crude production given the large and ongoing cutbacks in global upstream capex?

And given the huge rate of decline in existing US gas production (probably on the order of about 24%/year from existing wells), it's possible that we might see substantially higher North American gas prices this winter, given the decline in US drilling.

Furthermore, through 2013 we have seen a post-2005 decline in what I define as Global Net Exports of oil (GNE, the combined net exports from the Top 33 net exporters in 2005), which is a pattern that appears to have continued in 2014. GNE fell from 46 MMBPD in 2005 to 43 MMBPD in 2013 (total petroleum liquids + other liquids). The volume of GNE available to importers other than China & India fell from 41 MMBPD in 2005 to 34 MMBPD in 2013.

Here are the mathematical facts of life regarding net exports:

Given an ongoing, and inevitable, decline in production in the net oil exporting countries, unless the exporting countries cut their liquids consumption at the same rate as, or at a faster rate than, the rate of decline in production, the resulting rate of decline in net exports will exceed the rate of decline in production and the net export decline rate will accelerate with time.

In addition, while we are currently seeing signs of weak demand in China, given an ongoing, and inevitable, decline in GNE, unless China & India cut their net oil imports at the same rate as, or at a rate faster than, the rate of decline in GNE, the rate of decline in the volume of GNE available to importers other than China & India will exceed the rate of decline in GNE, and the rate of decline in the volume of GNE available to importers other than China & India will accelerate with time.

For example, from 2005 to 2013 the rate of decline in the volume of GNE available to importers other than China & India (2.3%/year) was almost three times the observed rate of decline in GNE from 2005 to 2013 (0.8%/year).

And a massively under-appreciated aspect of what I call "Net Export Math" is that the rate of depletion in the remaining cumulative volume of net oil exports, after a net export peak, tends to be enormous. Saudi Arabia is showing a year over year increase in production and net exports, but based on available annual data through 2014, Saudi Arabia's net exports fell from 9.5 MMBPD in 2005 to 8.4 MMBPD in 2014 (total petroleum liquids + other liquids), and I estimate that Saudi Arabia may have already shipped close to half of their total post-2005 supply of cumulative net exports of oil.


Jeffrey J. Brown, September 1, 2015 at 5:58 am

Increased oil production in a net oil importing country would reduce their demand for net oil imports, but I'm not an expert on Chinese oil production, although I do believe that a significant portion of their production is in long term decline.

In any case, once again, following are the mathematical facts of life regarding net exports, which are not statements of opinion, but are instead statements about mathematical certainties:

Given an ongoing, and inevitable, decline in production in the net oil exporting countries, unless the exporting countries cut their liquids consumption at the same rate as, or at a faster rate than, the rate of decline in production, the resulting rate of decline in net exports will exceed the rate of decline in production and the net export decline rate will accelerate with time.

In addition, while we are currently seeing signs of weak demand in China, given an ongoing, and inevitable, decline in GNE, unless China & India cut their net oil imports at the same rate as, or at a rate faster than, the rate of decline in GNE, the rate of decline in the volume of GNE available to importers other than China & India will exceed the rate of decline in GNE, and the rate of decline in the volume of GNE available to importers other than China & India will accelerate with time.

For example, from 2005 to 2013 the rate of decline in the volume of GNE available to importers other than China & India (2.3%/year) was almost three times the observed rate of decline in GNE from 2005 to 2013 (0.8%/year).

Jeffrey J. Brown, September 1, 2015 at 8:08 amRe: Global Gas Production

The reason that I have spent so much time on crude versus crude + condensate is that the conventional wisdom is that there is no evidence of any kind of peak in sight, and my contention is that this is manifestly false, in regard to actual crude oil production (45 API gravity and lower crude oil). And if actual global crude oil production has probably peaked, it's when, not if, that we see similar peaks in global gas and associated liquids, condensate and NGL. In that regard, the global gas data (BP) are pretty interesting. Some rates of change:

2005 to 2010:

Global Gas: +2.8%/year
Global Gas, Excluding North America: +3.2%/year

2010 to 2014:

Global Gas: +1.9%/year
Global Gas, Excluding North America: +1.3%/year

Note that the rate of increase in global gas, excluding North America, fell from 3.2%/year for 2005 to 2010 to 1.3%/year for 2010 to 2014. And of course, "Net Export Math" works for both oil and gas (as well as for domestic food consumption versus production).

The shale advocates would argue that shale plays around the world will keep up us on an indefinite rate of increase in production, but global results have been disappointing in many areas, e.g., Poland, and high costs are a problem, combined with the very high decline rates.

In any case, what causes a peak is the inability to offset declines from existing wells, and therefore the higher the production rate, the closer we are to a peak, because the volumetric decline from existing wells increases in tandem with the increase in production (it's pretty amazing that so few people are willing to admit this).


Nony, September 6, 2015 at 10:39 am

Brown:

You are the only one "generally defining" oil as less than 45 API. 47 API Eagle Ford runs through refineries. It's price is correlated to WTI. And it actually gets a better price than 30 API sour (e.g. "Basra light"). I don't think any economist would look at lighter oils as anything other than a substitute and significant economically. This is an econ blog. You may pay a little less for an EF cargo. And there are some in the weeds concerns with fluffing the barrel (light ends). But this is really a nuance. From any reasonable economic evaluation, that stuff is OIL.

Even classic lease condensate (like 55-60 API) is pretty much oil. Sure it gets blended with heavy before hitting the distillation tower, but it still makes a lot of gasoline, has a decent price (some delta with WTI) and follows WTI. It's not like methane or even propane.

And that's just within the US (where we have export restrictions and a new volume of light). Light oils are even more reasonable on a world basis. And in the US, classically the spreads were much closer or even to the benefit of condensate in the past.

By the way, it's fascinating that we actually ended up with too much light oil. The peaker trope was that new sources would be heavy and non-WTI-like. And Bakken is very close to classic WTI! Also, current peakers never seem to mention the advantage of low sulfur content (and S and API are broadly speaking inversely correlated.)

rjs, August 30, 2015 at 6:38 pm

inventories are clearly in a seasonal (driving season) decline, but still way above historical levels because of the contango tradiing…we never saw 400 million barrels before this year….

in reporting on EIA data weekly, i've noticed that the weekly fluctuatons in inventories are a function of imports…if two extra VLCCs unload in the same week, your inventories rise…

SecondLook, August 30, 2015 at 9:59 pm

I think, very relevantly: what is the current cost of production of oil, or even what is the significant distribution range.
I find discussions about oil, or for that matter any finite commodity, without having an agreed upon cost basis factor sort of meaningless.

JBH, August 31, 2015 at 8:37 am

SecondLook Quite so. Technological progress in fracking is nothing short of astounding. Global economic growth is decelerating with no end in sight. So the only meaningful constraint on price is MC. No curve would be more informative than the historic MC of fracking for say the last two or three years. I do not for a moment believe the current price of $44 is well-below MC.

It may be somewhat below, but the all-important technology dynamic is moving the MC curve lower by the day. The solidest, most-well-backed-up projection I've seen is that by Mark Mills at the Manhattan Institute: costs are ultimately heading to the $5 to $20 range! Thus far I've found very little on what to me has gravitated to the forefront as the next biggest question: What happens when fracking goes global at ever-falling marginal cost?

Jeffrey J. Brown, August 31, 2015 at 9:10 am

The Economist Magazine suggested an outlook for an extended period of oil prices in the $5 to $10 range:

http://www.economist.com/node/188181

Yet here is a thought: $10 might actually be too optimistic. We may be heading for $5. To see why, consider chart 1. Thanks to new technology and productivity gains, you might expect the price of oil, like that of most other commodities, to fall slowly over the years. Judging by the oil market in the pre-OPEC era, a "normal" market price might now be in the $5-10 range. Factor in the current slow growth of the world economy and the normal price drops to the bottom of that range. . . .

The supply situation is even gloomier for producers. Unlike 1986, oil supplies have been slow to respond to the past year's fall. Even at $10 a barrel, it can be worth continuing with projects that already have huge sunk costs. Rapid technological advances have pushed the cost of finding, developing and producing crude oil outside the Middle East down from over $25 a barrel (in today's prices) in the 1980s to around $10 now. Privatisation and deregulation in such places as Argentina, Malaysia and Venezuela have transformed moribund state-owned oil firms. According to Douglas Terreson of Morgan Stanley Dean Witter, an investment bank, this has "unleashed a dozen new Texacos during the 1990s", all of them keen to pump oil.

Meanwhile OPEC, which masterminded the supply cuts that pushed prices up in the 1970s and 1980s, is in complete disarray. The cartel will try yet again to agree upon production cuts at its next meeting, on March 23rd, but, partly thanks to its members' cheating on quotas, the impact of any such cuts will be small. OPEC members fear that Iraq, whose UN-constrained output rose by 1m barrels a day in 1998, may some day be able to raise production further. Last week Algeria's energy minister declared, with only slight exaggeration, that prices might conceivably tumble "to $2 or $3 a barrel."

Nor is there much chance of prices rebounding. If they started to, Venezuela, which breaks even at $7 a barrel, would expand production; at $10, the Gulf of Mexico would join in; at $11, the North Sea, and so on (see map). This will limit any price increase in the unlikely event that OPEC rises from the dead. Even in the North Sea, the bare-bottom operating costs have fallen to $4 a barrel. For the lifetime of such fields firms will continue to crank out oil, even though they are not recouping the sunk costs of exploration and financing. And basket-cases such as Russia and Nigeria are so hopelessly dependent on oil that they may go on producing for some time whatever the price.

BC, August 31, 2015 at 2:34 pm

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US oil production per capita is down 40-45% since 1970 and 25% since 1985 (onset of deindustrialization and financialization).

The oil cycle is turning lower (CPI and US$ terms) as in the early to mid-1960s and 1986.

However, this time we have much more debt to wages and GDP; real GDP per capita is growing at half the 1960s and 1980s rates; labor share of GDP is much lower; peak Boomer demographic effects are bearing down in the US, UK, Canada, Oz, EZ, Japan, and now China and the Asian city-states; financial assets are in a MASSIVE bubble and about to burst again as in 1929, 2000, and 2007; wealth and income inequality is obscene and pernicious; health care and debt service costs are precluding any discretionary income for the bottom 90%; and labor productivity is decelerating due to deindustrialization, regressive taxes on earned income, demographics, labor share, debt, and inequality.

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-02-16/oil-prices-likely-to-fall-as-supplies-rise-demand-falls

I don't know about Shilling's speculation about $10 oil, but $25-$32 fits the cycle, technicals, and price-supply-demand for implied global real GDP per capita rate of growth indefinitely hereafter, notwithstanding a possible seasonal technical rally to $55-$60.

Jeffrey J. Brown, September 1, 2015 at 5:51 am

Incidentally, the Economist Magazine article I linked to, and that I showed an excerpt from, was published in early 1999.

The Economist Magazine ran their "Drowning in oil" cover story in early 1999, in which they suggested that we would see $5 to $10 oil for the indefinite future. At the time of the story, annual Brent crude oil prices were then in the early stages of three approximate price doublings:

From $13 in 1998 to $25 in 2002;
From $25 in 2002 to $55 in 2005;
From $55 in 2005 to $110 range for 2011 to 2013 inclusive (remaining at about $99 for 2014).

And . . . .

In late 2004, Daniel Yergin predicted that oil prices would be down to a long term index price of $38 by late 2005 (which caused me to suggest that we price oil in "Yergins" with One Yergin = $38).

Also in 2004, the Saudi oil minister reiterated their support for the OPEC price band of $22 to $28.

In August, 2009, Michael C. Lynch predicted that oil prices would soon be back to a long term price in the low 30's.

In early February of this year, Ed Morse predicted that oil prices could fall as low as the "$20 range for a while."

My prediction is that global net exporters will continue to deplete their remaining volume of post-2005 CNE (Cumulative Net Exports of oil) at an accelerating rate of depletion.

I estimate that Saudi Arabia shipped about 5% of their post-2005 CNE in 2006, and I estimate that they shipped about 9% of their remaining post-2005 CNE in 2014, AKA an accelerating rate of depletion.

Jeffrey J. Brown, August 31, 2015 at 6:37 am

An Interesting Gas Play Case History

The Haynesville Shale Gas Play, which covers part of both Texas and Louisiana, is an interesting case history. Following is a chart showing the monthly production versus the rig count. Note the significant time lag, a little more than a year, between the beginning of the decline in the rig count (late 2010) and the beginning of the decline in production (early 2012). Also, note that that there was about a three year gap between the beginning of the late 2010 decline in the rig count and the end of the steep production decline (late 2013):

http://i1095.photobucket.com/albums/i475/westexas/Haynesville-rig-count-and-natural-gas-production1_zpsb1n95tiz.jpg

In any case, the decline in production from the Haynesville Play contributed to the observed 20%/year exponential rate of decline in marketed gas production from Louisiana from 2012 to 2014 (dry gas production for 2014 not yet available). Note that this was the net rate of decline in gas production, after new wells were put on line (for both conventional and unconventional production). The gross underlying decline rate from existing wells in 2012 and 2013 in Louisiana was even higher than 20%/year.

The Louisiana data provide strong support for the Citi Research estimate that this gross underlying rate of decline in existing US gas production is on the order of about 24%/year (again, gross being the rate of decline, before new wells are added).

With an underlying gross decline rate of about 24%/year, the US needs about 17 BCF/day of new production per year, just to offset the declines from existing production. Note that this volume of gas–that the US needs just to offset declines from existing wells–exceeds the dry gas production levels of every country in the world, except for the US and Russia. In other words, in order to maintain current gas production, we need to put on line–every year–more gas production than Canada, or Norway, or Iran, or Qater, etc.

The gross underlying decline rate from existing US oil production is probably not as high, but a plausible estimate is that it is on the order of 15%/year, which would imply that we need about 1.5 MMBPD (million barrels per day) of new Crude + Condensate (C+ C) production every year, just to offset annual declines from existing wells.

Vangel Vesovski, August 31, 2015 at 8:22 pm

I am sorry James but why aren't economists looking at the 10-Ks and noticing that none of the companies were cash flow positive even when oil prices were very high and the wells drilled were in the more productive areas? Why haven't they noticed that when the big players came into the shale space they got burned even though they paid less for the properties than what the sellers were saying they were worth on the conference calls.

I think that the evidence shows that the shale story was a big scam driven by easy access to borrowing. Given the massive increase in debt on the balance sheets of most producers and the high depletion rates I just can't see how the sector can go on selling its narrative for that much longer. Note that in June 2012 the Bakken data showed 4162 wells producing an average of 144 barrels per day. The June 2015 data, which is the last month available, shows 9912 wells producing 116 barrels per day. The number of wells has more than doubled yet the production rate has fallen has fallen by 19.4%. The new wells are high IP wells yet the production rate has fallen has fallen by 19.4%. Sorry for the repetition but most people gloss over the implications. The simple fact is that when you look at the math and the 10-Ks, the narrative being told by the EIA, USGS, and the Wall Street analysts does not work very well.

I think that some time in the next few months the picture will be much clearer and the fingers will start pointing. Given what I have been reading and hearing the problems were created by the Fed and SEC, not the oil company executives who disclosed everything to people who were willing to pay attention.


Nony, September 1, 2015 at 8:40 pm

A company that is growing production at 30% should not be expected to be cash flow positive. Especially when there is a heavy upfront capital investment (the drilling and completion) involved in production.

Lots of people pointed out the companies were not cash flow positive, but they tended to be peak oil advocates who lacked a good understanding of the basics of investment (as simple as NPV). See Copeland's Valuation or Brealey and Myers Corporate Finance.


Vangel Vesovski, August 31, 2015 at 8:06 pm

@Nony

The problem for the industry is the very high decline rate. Most wells lose more than 50% of their production rate in less than a year so the decline after the lag period clears will be much steeper. Think of the Yibal production rate and you won't be far off for the US shale sector.


BC, August 31, 2015 at 2:17 pm

http://www.thehillsgroup.org/

http://www.thehillsgroup.org/depletion2_018.htm

Peak, shale and tar production is a not-for-profit business, not unlike the US gov't, the Anglo-American imperial military, the USPS, the Corporation of Communist China, Amazon, Twitter, Tesla, and many biobubbletech companies, some with no REVENUES and a market cap of many billions of dollars. 😀

But, hey, Mr. Musk is using Tesla as a loss leader at thousands of dollars per unit (tens of thousands counting subsidies) to become the techno-optimist exemplar to get us to the Moon, Mars, and ultimately to join our extraterrestrial ancestors inhabiting the Rings of Uranus.

How will be accomplish this? Not by nuclear, wind, or solar. Please! The word is that Musk discovered HUGE deposits of dilithium crystals in Mexico, the Atacama Desert, and not far from where he is building his gigafactory, locations revealed to him by time-traveling Mr. Spock, who himself was informed by the aforementioned extraterrestrials centuries in the future.

Soon we will upload our consciousnesses into virtual humachines, leaving behind our concerns about Peak Oil, population overshoot, resource depletion per capita, and climate change, and go off planet to explore the cosmos as immortal beings for millennia to come.

This is going to be so exciting!

Anonymous, August 31, 2015 at 3:16 pm

In my view, there world is awash in mis or bad information. Oil prices are anything but linear either positively or negatively. The past 3 days of trading is showing this. Great to read that opec members may begin to discuss a reasonable output level to help restore prices to a fair level. I agree with the bull Boone Pickens as his experience and expertise in energy is par excellence. On his blog, he expects oil to exit this year at 70 per boe. I have a bet with a friend that wit exits this year at at least 60 per boe and I am also long crude, happily long that is…

JBH , September 1, 2015 at 7:12 am

Anonymous Re your remark on mis or bad information. I could not agree with you more. I interpret this remark as there being far too many gratuitous prognostications that do nothing other than inject noise into the airwaves. Or equally as bad, heavily-hedged puffed-up bets that hold no water when held up to the light of day. Academic papers are major offenders in this regard. Over half are not worth the paper they are printed on. If it doesn't forecast, it is not science.

Your own prediction re the yearend price of crude is certainly reasonable. I do not put it in the above category. That said, I do disagree with it. What gives my disagreement gravitas is it has teeth, as the following will confirm.

What this site needs is a neutral holder of escrow for legal bets of token amount so commenters can put their money where their mouth is. Claims would be written to pay at a specific date for a specified price, growth rate, or quantity. My reasoning is along the lines of what you were driving at. It is to leaven sense into academics and others who say anything fool thing they want to students, or on sites like Econbrowser, without being called on it. That some people have a belief structure so impervious to the real world that leavening sense into them would not be possible is beside the point. Others would be watching, and that would be value enough for a project like this.

Take the stock market forecast in a comment of mine here on Econbrowser in late-July. I said in no uncertain terms the Dow was in a bear market. That bet would pay off if and when the Dow reached 20% down from its May 19th high; if instead the Dow goes to a new all-time high without first going down 20% I will have lost.

There is no shame in losing. This is an uncertain world. The shame comes otherwise. Most notably in making a highly amorphous statement about the future, and then at some future date crowing about having been right.

Allow me to flesh this out more. Using the WSJ print for the 2015 yearend WTI price of crude as the basis, I'll take even money crude will end the year below $60 per barrel. Even money that over the next four quarters – Q3 thru Q2 next year – real GDP growth will be below the current WSJ consensus estimate (a known number available to all). That real GDP growth will be below 2% over the next three years (distant payoff date yet noteworthy for what it says). I would, however, require a clause that this latter bet be negated if Donald Trump becomes president. The Iowa winner-take-all presidential market has the Dem candidate priced at (valued at) 59 cents vs. 41 cents for the Rep. My prediction here is this spread will narrow considerably in coming months.

I base this last on the venerable methodology of the 13 Keys to the Presidency (original version). As for my Dow prediction, it is based on a proprietary technical model of mine constructed from market internals. At present, market internals are more negative than at their worst in the 2008 crisis! This brings a further thing to light – technical analysis is a highly valuable tool. Economists would do well to master it, since the market is a fine leading indicator of recessions. Paul Samuelson's often quoted statement about the market's ability to predict recessions borders on gibberish. Of course, a bear market does not mean impending recession. No good forecaster ever said it did. Other things have to fall in place. At present they have yet to do so. But in advance of the next recession – whenever that is – stocks will have entered a bear market. The caveat is that stocks go down in both nominal and real terms. Never since the inception of the Dow has the real Dow not led the economy down. Ditto for on the way up.

BC, September 1, 2015 at 8:52 am

JBH, agree about the bear market, and it is setting up like 2007, 2000, and 1929 given a list of rarely occurring coincident indicators that occurred only during those periods since the early 20th century:

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https://app.box.com/s/5q46eovoo137r3z8xemetj4jipz54jt1

BTW, since the late 1990s and the onset of hyper-financialization of the economy, the stock market has become a "lagging" indicator rather than the widely believed "leading" indicator. If the phenomenon still maintains, the US economy entered recession as long ago as Q4 '14 to Q1 '15.

And as is historically characteristic of debt-deflationary regimes of the Long Wave, including Japan since 1992, there will be no persistent capacity constraints, accelerating wages and inflation, a yield curve inversion, and central bank tightening prior to the next recession and bear market. The Fed will much more likely resume QEternity and maintain ZIRP indefinitely.

JBH, September 1, 2015 at 8:04 am

Peak Trader Word usage is incredibly important. "We" don't do anything. There is a natural economy driven by the entrepreneurial spirit inherent in humans. It's part of the survival instinct coded by DNA. The Federal Reserve and big government are world-class obstacles to the economy's natural rate of growth. Natural growth is the birthright of common man in a civilization as advanced as ours. The Federal Reserve, politicians, and government officials at all levels create impediments to and worsen the drains on natural growth. "They" should get out of the way. There are nuances around this, one notable being reasonable tariff protection like our nation had in its heyday. Another is reasonable-yet-not-onerous regulation of the environment.

Corruption at the highest level - crony capitalism as it is now called, otherwise since time immemorial known as vested interests – is strangling economic growth. It is an open question if Fed officials are corrupt. I do not want to think that of them. But certainly they are imbecilic in the mass devastation they have wrought since the time of Greenspan. We cannot yet look back from the vantage point of ten years out. But unless something changes regarding vested interests, coercive big government, and central banks run amok, the miserable last ten years will look like a walk in the park. This is an easy-to-make prediction in light of the crippling debt burden Keynesian economics has inflicted on this and future generations …

Kirby thibeault, August 31, 2015 at 3:25 pm

Oil prices will exit, wti, this year at a min of 60 per boe and the extreme pessimists are wrong and I completely disagree with Gary shillings 10-20 call. The past few days should make everyone aware of how quickly prices can change.

Jeffrey J. Brown, September 4, 2015 at 5:55 am

All glory is fleeting


"For over a thousand years Roman conquerors returning from the wars enjoyed the honor of triumph, a tumultuous parade. In the procession came trumpeteers, musicians and strange animals from conquered territories, together with carts laden with treasure and captured armaments. The conquerors rode in a triumphal chariot, the dazed prisoners walking in chains before him. Sometimes his children robed in white stood with him in the chariot or rode the trace horses. A slave stood behind the conqueror holding a golden crown and whispering in his ear a warning: that all glory is fleeting."

― George S. Patton Jr.

The EIA shows that US Crude + Condensate (C+C) production was 5.0 MMBPD (million barrels per day) in 2008. Let's assume that the current estimate of 9.6 MMBPD in US C+C production in April, 2015 is correct. And let's assume that the gross rate of decline in existing US C+C production in 2008 was about 5%/year. So, in order to offset the decline from existing 2008 wells, US operators had to put on line 0.25 MMBPD of new production (which they clearly achieved, given the observed net increase in production).

Here's the problem.

Even with no increase in the decline rate, as production increases, the volumetric decline from existing wells increased in tandem with the production increase. A peak occurs when the production from new wells (and workovers, secondary, tertiary recovery efforts, etc.) can no longer offset the decline from existing production. Therefore, the higher the production rate, the closer that we are to a production peak, i.e., "All glory is fleeting."

US operators are, in effect, fighting a two front war–an increase in the decline rate from existing wells and an overall increase in the volumetric decline from existing wells, because of the increase in production. This is of course also largely true of total world production, and my contention is that in all likelihood, virtually all of the new actual crude oil production (45 and lower API gravity crude) that was put on line from 2006 to 2014 inclusive globally only served to approximately offset the declines from existing wells, i.e., it took trillions of dollars in upstream capex to keep us on an "Undulating plateau" in actual crude oil production for the past decade.

In any case, the estimated annualized volumetric declines (rounded off to nearest 0.5 MMBPD) in April, 2015 US C+C production at three rates of decline from existing wells:

5%/year: 0.5 MMBPD
10%/year: 1.0 MMBPD
15%/year: 1.5 MMBPD

At the 15%/year rate, which IMO is the most likely, in order to maintain 9.6 MMBPD, US operators would have had to put on line, from April, 2015 to April, 2016, production that would be approximately equivalent to all of Norway's 2014 C+C production.

Jeffrey J. Brown, September 4, 2015 at 8:13 am

Late August US net crude oil imports (four week running average data, MMBPD):

2008: 10.1
2009: 9.1
2010: 9.6
2011: 9.2
2012: 8.6
2013: 8.1
2014: 7.3
2015: 7.1

Of course, when we look at total production less consumption, overall net imports on a total liquids basis are lower, but it certainly appears that the decline in US net crude oil imports has slowed considerably, and US net imports will in all likelihood be increasing in future months, as US C+C production declines.

It looks like the recent low in net US crude oil imports was in early November, 2014, at 6.6 MMBPD (four week running average), which was down quite a bit from the early November, 2013 number (7.5).

In any event, it seems to me that the bottom line is that for every one bpd of new production that US operators had to put on line in 2008 to offset declines from existing wells, they will need about six bpd of new production now.

Nony, September 6, 2015 at 11:05 am

I always felt that high price impact was the best fallback position of peakers after US production explosion surprised them as did worldwide gradual up plateau. It was something that cornies needed to concede. At the end of the day, for the US, as a big net importer we gain more from low prices than from the production itself.

Now, I'll take the low price as a win. Feels like the peak oil skeptics have won twice now over the peak oil advocates (even the more moderate ones). First with the production. Second with prices.

I don't even like the "no one could have predicted shale". Peak oil advocates (even the more moderate ones) were slow to look at the warning signs (but quick to look at things like Staniford and Simmons Saudi concerns). They tended to talk it down on the way up. And FWIW, I didn't predict shale, but I'm not surprised that something came out of the bag. Seems like it has often happened over the history of the industry when back against the wall. And we probably could have done the same impact, by approving ANWR, Keystone, and VACAPES drilling (which were known options). The whole US can't affect world prices looks pretty wrong in retrospect.

[Sep 06, 2015] Oil Shale Reserves

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Oil Shale Technology – Old & New

Extracting oil from the shale is no simple task. The earliest attempts to extract the oil utilized an environmentally unfriendly process known as "retorting." Stated simply, retorting required mining the shale, hauling it to a processing facility that crushed the rock into small chunks, then extracted a petroleum substance called kerogen, then upgraded the kerogen through a process of hydrogenation (which requires lots of water) and refined it into gasoline or jet fuel.

But the difficulties of retorting do not end there, as my colleague, Byron King explains:

"After you retort the rock to derive the kerogen (not oil), the heating process has desiccated the shale (OK, that means that it is dried out). Sad to say, the volume of desiccated shale that you have to dispose of is now greater than that of the hole from which you dug and mined it in the first place. Any takers for trainloads of dried, dusty, gunky shale residue, rife with low levels of heavy metal residue and other toxic, but now chemically-activated crap? (Well, it makes for enough crap that when it rains, the toxic stuff will leach out and contaminate all of the water supplies to which gravity can reach, which is essentially all of 'em. Yeah, right. I sure want that stuff blowin' in my wind.) Add up all of the capital investment to build the retorting mechanisms, cost of energy required, cost of water, costs of transport, costs of environmental compliance, costs of refining, and you have some relatively costly end-product."

But a new technology has emerged that may begin to tap the oil shale's potential. Royal Dutch Shell, in fact, has recently completed a demonstration project (The Mahogany Ridge project) in which it produced 1,400 barrels of oil from shale in the ground, without mining the shale at all.

Instead, Shell utilized a process called "in situ" mining, which heats the shale while it's still in the ground, to
the point where the oil leaches from the rock. Shell's Terry O'Connor described the breakthrough in testimony before Congress earlier this summer (And Congress may have an acute interest in the topic, since the U.S. government controls 72% of all U.S. oil shale acreage):

"Some 23 years ago, Shell commenced laboratory and field research on a promising in ground conversion and recovery process. This technology is called the In-situ Conversion Process, or ICP. In 1996, Shell successfully carried out its first small field test on its privately owned Mahogany property in Rio Blanco County, Colorado some 200 miles west of Denver. Since then, Shell has carried out four additional related field tests at nearby sites. The most recent test was carried out over the past several months and produced in excess of 1,400 barrels of light oil plus associated gas from a very small test plot using the ICP technology…

"Most of the petroleum products we consume today are derived from conventional oil fields that produce oil and gas that have been naturally matured in the subsurface by being subjected to heat and pressure over very long periods of time. In general terms, the In-situ Conversion Process (ICP) accelerates this natural process of oil and gas maturation by literally tens of millions of years. This is accomplished by slow sub-surface heating of petroleum source rock containing kerogen, the precursor to oil and gas. This acceleration of natural processes is achieved by drilling holes into the resource, inserting electric resistance heaters into those heater holes and heating the subsurface to around 650-700F, over a 3 to 4 year period.

"During this time, very dense oil and gas is expelled from the kerogen and undergoes a series of changes. These changes include the shearing of lighter components from the dense carbon compounds, concentration of available hydrogen into these lighter compounds, and changing of phase of those lighter, more hydrogen rich compounds from liquid to gas. In gaseous phase, these lighter fractions are now far more mobile and can move in the subsurface through existing or induced fractures to conventional producing wells from which they are brought to the surface. The process results in the production of about 65 to 70% of the original "carbon" in place in the subsurface.

"The ICP process is clearly energy-intensive, as its driving force is the injection of heat into the subsurface.
However, for each unit of energy used to generate power to provide heat for the ICP process, when calculated on a life cycle basis, about 3.5 units of energy are produced and treated for sales to the consumer market. This energy efficiency compares favorably with many conventional heavy oil fields that for decades have used steam injection to help coax more oil out of the reservoir. The produced hydrocarbon mix is very different from traditional crude oils. It is much lighter and contains almost no heavy ends.

"However, because the ICP process occurs below ground, special care must be taken to keep the products of the process from escaping into groundwater flows. Shell has adapted a long recognized and established mining and construction ice wall technology to isolate the active ICP area and thus accomplish these objectives and to safe guard the environment. For years, freezing of groundwater to form a subsurface ice barrier has been used to isolate areas being tunneled and to reduce natural water flows into mines. Shell has successfully tested the freezing technology and determined that the development of a freeze wall prevents the loss of contaminants from the heated zone."

It may seem, as O'Conner said, counter-intuitive to freeze the water around a shale deposit, and then heat up the contents within the deposit. It's energy-intensive. And it's a lot of work. What's more, there's no proof yet it can work on a commercial scale.

Yet both technologies, the freeze wall and the heating of shale, have been proven in the field to work. The freeze wall was used most recently in Boston's Big Dig project. It was also used to prevent ground water from seeping into the salt caverns at the Strategic Petroleum reserve in Weeks Island, LA.

But still, you may be wondering, does it really make sense to heat the ground up a thousand feet down for three or four years and wait? Of course it does. In case you missed O'Conner's math, Shell could harvest up to a million barrels per acre, or a billion barrels per square mile, on an area covering over a thousand square miles.

It's still early days in the oil shale fields of Colorado and Wyoming, but it looks to me like someone's gonna make a lot of money out there. I'm working hard to discover how we outside investors can play along.

Shell's Mahogany Ridge

Last week, I paid a visit to Royal Dutch Shell's oil shale project in Colorado. The visit left me with more questions than answers, but I came away from the place with the sense that this opportunity is very real…or, at least, it soon will be.

After driving across a vast expanse of "Nowhere," Colorado, my brother and I met up with a few geologists from Shell. Of course it's just those large, unpopulated tracts of high desert that make the area so appealing from a geopolitical point of view. Tapping into the oil shale 2,000 feet underground isn't going to bother too many people. And there are no spotted owls around either. If the technology to turn shale into oil works, the entire area will become a new American boom patch.

Soon after we arrived, the geologists escorted us around the facility, chatting all the while about the successes and challenges of their venture.

The two trickiest aspects of oil shale development, as the geologists and engineers explained, are heating the shale to extreme temperatures, while simultaneously surrounding the heated area with a subterranean ice wall. Shell doesn't know, or isn't saying, which part of the project will be the most challenging. If you were about to change the world by making it economic to tap into as much as 2 trillion barrels of oil under the Colorado plateau, you'd be pretty careful about showing your competitors how you were going to do it.

First, anything that heats up rock around it to around 600 or 700 degrees Fahrenheit has to conduct electrically generated heat well. The most conductive metals on the Periodic Table of Elements are, in order, silver, copper, and gold. Naturally, the number of heaters you put in a place affects the amount of time it takes to turn the shale goo into API 34 crude. The more heaters, the more cost, though.

And given the fact that Shell does not know yet if the heaters will be recoverable, you can see that sticking silver, copper, or gold heaters 2000 meters underground and then leaving them there once the kerogen has been pumped has a serious effect on the economics of your operation.

At the moment, Shell is not sure what the optimal size of production zones ought to be. The big issue here is how big can a freeze-wall be to be effective and freezing the groundwater surrounding a shale deposit? The test projects, as you can see, were quite small. Shell doesn't know, or isn't saying, what the optimum size is for a each "pod" or "cell". That's what they'll have to figure out at the next stage…and the picture with the dirt is a football field sized project….where rather than creating the freeze-wall at 50 meters down…they will do it at 1,000 ft. down…. with 2,000 being the desired and necessary depth for commercial viability. I'm not sure anyone has ever created a freeze-wall at that depth….neither is shell. But we'll find out. The oil itself that comes from the process looks like…oil. No heavy refining needed.

Shell thinks the whole thing is economic at a crude price of $30. So barring a major reversal of geopolitical trends, they're forging ahead.

Since the Bureau of Land Management owns about 80% of the oil shale acreage in Colorado, there is no investment play on private companies that might own land with rich shale deposits. Although, if Shell and the DOE are right that you can recover a million barrels of oil per acre…it wouldn't take much land to make a man rich out here.

Oil Shale: Testing Public Lands

The Bureau of Land Management recently received ten applications (by eight companies) for a pilot program to develop Colorado's shale reserves. The program allows the companies access to public lands for the purpose of testing shale-extraction technologies. You see below an interesting mix of large, publicly traded oil giants and small, privately held innovators.

  • Natural Soda, Inc. of Rifle, Colorado.
  • EGL Resources Inc. of Midland, Texas.
  • Salt Lake City-based Kennecott Exploration Company.
  • Independent Energy Partners of Denver, Colorado
  • Denver-based Phoenix Wyoming, Inc.
  • Chevron Shale Oil Company.
  • Exxon Mobil Corporation.
  • Shell Frontier Oil and Gas Inc

There is dispute within the industry over how long, if ever, demonstration extraction technologies can become commercially viable. I've spoken with some of the smaller companies that have applied for leases from the BLM. Some of them will have to raise money to conduct the project. And some of them have been less than forthcoming about how exactly their extraction technology is different or better than previous methods.

How will it all unfold? Well, for starters, it could all utterly fail. To me, Shell's in-situ process looks the most promising. It also makes the most sense economically. There may be a better, less energy-intensive way to heat up the ground than what Shell has come up with. But Shell, Chevron, and Exxon Mobil clearly have the resources to scoop up any private or small firm that makes a breakthrough.

And there are a host of smaller firms involved with the refining and drilling process that figure to play a key role in the development of the industry, should that development pick up pace.

The Energy Policy Act of 2005, otherwise known as a listless piece of legislation without any strategic vision, does, at least, make provision for encouraging research into the development of shale. But government works slow, when it works at all. It's going to take an external shock to the economy to really ratchet up interest and development of the nation's energy reserves…say…something like a nuclear Iran.

Dan Denning
for The Daily Reckoning

[Sep 06, 2015] Why the $20 Oil Predictions are Wrong By Robert Rapier

"...I don't like predicting prices short term, because they are less influenced by fundamental factors. Longer term, irrational markets return to pricing based on fundamental factors like the cost to produce something and make a profit. In the long run, $40/bbl oil is not a price sufficient to entice enough oil producers to produce at a level that can satisfy global demand. Hence, prices will rise. How long will it take? Hard to say. Oil prices stayed above $100/bbl for a lot longer than I thought they would. Maybe they will remain depressed longer than I think they will. Personally, I believe prices will be back up to the $60/bbl level in 6 months or a year – and that's without any action from OPEC. If OPEC announced a 10% across the board production cut, that's a Black Swan that would drive prices back to $100/bbl very quickly."
"...Not only did U.S. oil production grow faster than production in Saudi Arabia and Russia, but it outpaced production growth in all of OPEC, as well as the entire Middle East. Yet even with U.S. shale oil production, oil prices exceeded $100/bbl. And while U.S. shale oil producers have been getting more efficient, they aren't going to invest in new production at current prices. Hence, the handwriting is on the wall. (For an explanation of BP's crude oil accounting, see Is the U.S. Really the World's Top Oil Producer?)."
Aug 20, 2015 | energytrendsinsider.com

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U.S. Crude Production is Falling

No, U.S. crude oil production is now falling. The Energy Information Administration (EIA) reported in its most recent Short Term Energy Outlook (STEO) that U.S. crude oil production declined by 100,000 bpd in July compared with June, and they expect these declines to continue because of the steep cuts shale oil producers have made to their budgets. The EIA reduced its forecast for oil production next year to 400,000 bpd less than this year. More on the significance of this below.

So why did inventories increase last week? It was actually because crude oil imports surged. Crude oil imports were 465,000 bpd higher than the previous week. That means 3.3 million barrels more oil came into the country than arrived in the previous week. Add that to the BP outage, and there was a surplus of oil of 4.9 million barrels relative to the previous week. This more than explains the 2.6 million barrel weekly gain in inventories. The question is "Will that continue to happen?"

In my opinion, "No." The BP outage will continue for an indefinite period, but the import surge was an anomaly. Crude imports from Canada surged by 404,000 bpd from the previous week. But guess what? Canadian oil producers are in an even deeper bind than U.S. oil producers. A recent article stated that at $40/bbl WTI, Canada's largest synthetic crude project is losing about $10 on every barrel. How long do you suppose that can continue? The larger producers will hang in as long as they can, but some of the smaller guys are going to be shutting in production at $40 WTI (which implies an even lower price for them due to the distance to market). That will reduce imports from Canada - the very imports that surprisingly drove crude inventories higher this week.

The U.S. Role in the Global Supply Picture

U.S. crude oil production is falling because investments into shale oil production dried up as the price of crude oil fell below $60/bbl. Companies aren't interested in putting new capital to work, and because these oil fields deplete, that means crude production is falling. Why is that significant? Because most of the world's new oil production in the past 6 years has come from U.S. shale oil fields. It is hard to overstate the global importance of the new crude supply that came online in the U.S. since 2008. Perhaps this graphic will help put it into perspective:

6 Years Oil Production Change

Since 2008, U.S. oil production growth is equivalent to 83% of the global supply added during that time. (Some countries had declines in oil production, which is why the increases shown on the chart add up to more than the global total.) Not only did U.S. oil production grow faster than production in Saudi Arabia and Russia, but it outpaced production growth in all of OPEC, as well as the entire Middle East. Yet even with U.S. shale oil production, oil prices exceeded $100/bbl. And while U.S. shale oil producers have been getting more efficient, they aren't going to invest in new production at current prices. Hence, the handwriting is on the wall. (For an explanation of BP's crude oil accounting, see Is the U.S. Really the World's Top Oil Producer?).

Insatiable Demand

But what about demand? Isn't it declining? No. Our Western-centric view of the world may give us the impression that oil demand is declining, but the truth is quite different:

Global Crude Demand

Over just the past decade global oil consumption increased by an average of 900,000 bpd each year, and consumption has risen in 18 of the past 20 years. If we look back 30 years, global oil consumption increased by an average of 1.1 million bpd annually. Demand did decline in member countries of the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) - the grouping of the world's developed countries. But demand growth in developing countries overwhelmed the declines in the developed world. In just the past five years, demand in developing countries has increased by an average of 1.6 million bpd annually, and now exceeds OECD demand.

OECD vs Non Demand

Note that there was hardly any negative impact on demand in developing countries even with oil prices at $100/bbl. What drives consumption in these countries is a very large number of people using just a little bit more oil than they did before. High oil prices will do little to dissuade them from buying a little bit more when it can make such a big impact on their lives, especially when incomes are rising.

Global demand growth for crude oil is projected to continue. The International Energy Agency recently forecast that global demand will increase by 1.4 million barrels per day this year, and a further 1.2 million bpd in 2016. The bulk of that demand growth is expected to come from developing countries in Asia. With U.S. supply falling, where are the new oil supplies coming from to satisfy global demand at $40/bbl oil? There simply isn't enough to go around. Another way of looking at this is "We are past peak $40/bbl oil."

Iran Can't Close the Gap

Yes, Iran may be putting another half million barrels per day on the export market over the next year. However, oil production in Iran has historically grown slowly. In the past 20 years the most they ever increased production by in a single year was 423,000 bpd. The 2nd most was 249,000 bpd. I am a bit skeptical about some of the optimistic forecasts for their ramp up. A year from now Iran's half million barrels per day may be on the market, but then oil demand will be another 1.4 million bpd higher.

Further, if U.S. production begins to decline in earnest, that production will have to be made up as well. So if the IEA is correct we need another 1.4 million bpd plus the losses that will happen as a result of lower oil prices - and if Iran is stepping up then it will be taking place in an unstable region of the world. Is this really a scenario that can support $40 oil?

This is why, in my opinion, oil can't go to $20/bbl. Despite very vocal predictions of much lower oil prices, many people are aware of the dynamics I have laid out here. They know that if you look at this moment in time, today, the market is slightly oversupplied. That is why oil prices are in the $40′s. But 6 months or a year from now? No way. Demand will keep growing, and there aren't enough producers willing to grow oil production at these prices. Thus, prices will rise, so every time WTI gets down to the sort of unsustainable level it is at now buyers start stepping up.

The OPEC Wild Card

This scenario presumes that OPEC doesn't blink. If you recall, at OPEC's meeting in late November 2014, they decided to defend market share instead of reducing production quotas, as some expected, to prop up the price of crude. OPEC's rationale was that such a move would only help shale oil producers grow their market share by allowing them to maintain high margins. Instead OPEC decided to produce all out, and the falling oil prices that began in the summer accelerated following OPEC's meeting. (See OPEC Crashed the U.S. Rig Count for additional background).

At their June 5th meeting this year, they once more decided to leave production unchanged. But this strategy is inflicting a lot of pain on OPEC countries, and many are becoming more vocal about the issue. This week Algeria wrote a letter to OPEC questioning the wisdom of their current strategy. The letter asked OPEC to consider taking some form of action to bolster oil prices, as many OPEC countries need oil prices to be at least $100/bbl to balance their budgets. CNN recently reported that this year Saudi Arabia alone has burned through $62 billion of its cash reserves. By my calculations, the steep slide in the price of oil has cost Saudi Arabia around $200 billion in the past year.

Personally, I think Saudi made a monumental miscalculation. While I have seen some claim that the rise of shale oil has effectively neutered OPEC, keep in mind that the organization still produced 41% of the world's oil last year. 36.6 million bpd of global production came from OPEC. Had they decided to cut production by 5% or so last fall, they would have lost some market share, and yes, the shale oil producers would have kept growing production. But oil prices would probably be at least twice what they are now. The net outcome for OPEC, despite the loss of market share, would have been much higher revenues than what they ended up with.

Another problem for Saudi Arabia now is one of saving face. If they announce an emergency cut to the quotas, or even announce this at their next meeting in December, they will be admitting defeat. They may argue that if they can hold out just a bit longer, they can set the shale oil industry back by years, and then when prices go back up OPEC will be the biggest beneficiary. That is not the decision I would make, but certainly a decision that has benefited U.S. consumers.

Conclusions

I don't like predicting prices short term, because they are less influenced by fundamental factors. Longer term, irrational markets return to pricing based on fundamental factors like the cost to produce something and make a profit. In the long run, $40/bbl oil is not a price sufficient to entice enough oil producers to produce at a level that can satisfy global demand. Hence, prices will rise. How long will it take? Hard to say. Oil prices stayed above $100/bbl for a lot longer than I thought they would. Maybe they will remain depressed longer than I think they will. Personally, I believe prices will be back up to the $60/bbl level in 6 months or a year – and that's without any action from OPEC. If OPEC announced a 10% across the board production cut, that's a Black Swan that would drive prices back to $100/bbl very quickly.

Here is a closing thought. If you could freeze the price of oil at $40/bbl for the next year, what do you think would happen? Supply would be lower in a year, and demand would be higher. In the real world, the price of oil will rise. Granted, the oil markets are notorious for over-correcting, which is the situation they are in right now, in my opinion. Could the price of oil drop to $20/bbl briefly? Well, these are predictions and opinions, and I am on the record predicting that WTI would not close below $40/bbl this year, but you never say never. I think it's highly unlikely though. If WTI shocks me and does fall to $20/bbl I will scrape together every penny I can and buy oil, and just sit back and wait for the inevitable swing in the other direction.

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Forrest

Liquid fuels will dominate transportation sector for foreseeable future. Technology improvements will make the common ICE very competitive. A $40k Chevy Bolt is far from being competitive to comparable MSRP $14,455 '16 Ford Fiesta. Also, biofuels will continue to increase production as a result the negative rating of motor fuel will decrease. Inner city mass transit may be the only exception as autonomous technology and computer control would really magnify the benefit of EV with the ensuing loss of roadway congestion, parking, and pollution. This seems to be the perfect application for EV.

More economist fear the world economies may be intertwined within a vicious deflation pressure per the older generational logistics and our past leveraging of future wealth. Meaning the long time future a slow slog of low growth, high unemployment, low wages, and dwindling standard of living. This would endure until we slowly pay down debt and start to rebuild. This is the "change" that was once was hyped as good. But, saying that the U.S., especially, has a very impressive flow of invention such as the likes from Amazon, Apple, and the internet trading community that may empower our economy. Think of the biofuel, grid, solar, wind, nuclear, oil technology, auto technology, communications, entertainment, housing, materials, fuel cell, education and the rest. We need to, as a country, to become very flexible and agile and to bust roadblocks to improvement. We need to accept even demand invention and reinvention and eliminate holy political cows of Union organizations, Public ed, and corrupt politicians protecting powerful constituencies from Wall Street to Hollywood.

ben

Well, this '15 prediction was wrong, yet, underlying factors promoting sustainably higher oil prices remain in play despite temporary price relief. Is this surprising? Not at all, if the influences of the Fed's financial repression policies are taken to their logical conclusion; artificially suppressed interest rates will eventually sow the seeds of dysfunction across the whole spectrum of financial markets and assets with a concomitant impact on national economies. Artificial stimulants temporarily aiding a run-up in financial assets and equity markets cannot ultimately alter the underlying, real-world forces of supply & demand for both capital and labor.

In short, monetary manipulations of central bankers attempting to orchestrate soft landings in relief of mismanaged fiscal policies on the part of the 'ruling class' will inevitably fall short of the objective.

Indeed, these manipulations only serve to hide the mismanagement in such a way as to ensure that the ultimate corrections are far more traumatic than is otherwise necessary or advisable. Alas, the pretensions of such orchestrations must necessarily attend arrangements wherein political leadership, in tandem with the money manipulators, since the instinct to put off until tomorrow the demands of today naturally attend the temptation of expedient characters.

Regrettably, contemporary politicians have made an art form of deflecting on the real issues while promoting their more popular (and their own) interests. Don't believe it? Well, just tune in for a Donald Trump rally and see what it looks like when entertainment "trumps" serious reasoning ;)
Thanks for the straight talk, RR. No apologies required nor sought!

TimC • 14 days ago

"If WTI shocks me and does fall to $20/bbl I will scrape together every penny I can and buy oil."

Me too. But why not buy oil at $40/bbl, if you believe it's going to $60 within a year? Or, if you don't like the risk in oil, diversify with an ETF. I recall one analysis at the start of the year that predicted the S&P500 Energy Select SPDR ETF (XLE) would rise 10% in 2015. XLE is down 20% YTD, so it should go up 37.5% in the next four months. How can you go wrong?

"I don't like predicting prices short term..."

Robert Rapier Mod > TimC

"But why not buy oil at $40/bbl, if you believe it's going to $60 within a year?"

I did the last time oil dipped toward $40. Not putting your eggs in one basket is good advice, so I keep a little powder dry. But at $20? I am all in.

"How can you go wrong?"

If you make predictions, you are going to be wrong sometimes. The key is being right more often than you are wrong. Then you make money.

Common Sense

What about the impact of potentially rising interest rates in the U.S. And its impact on the strength of the dollar?

Wouldn't further US dollar appreciation stem some increase in emerging market demand and thus impact the price of oil?

Robert Rapier Mod > Common Sense

Demand growth in developing countries didn't flinch at $100 oil, so I don't think it's going to flinch with a stronger dollar and lower oil prices.

Arthur_Henderson

Robert,

In my opinion - fantastic analysis! You took all of the variables into account. I think one of those most important variables to emphasize is depletion rates. With producers in the US and across the world pumping as much as they can, they are doing it at a cost of running into diminishing production rates (depletion) on those existing wells even sooner.

I think the oil market will have turned a corner and prices will be back in the $60 - 70 range within about 18 months. I really think the oil market is going to get blindsided by this and all of a sudden, the reactions will be swiftly to the upside.

I think we'll bottom out around $30 per barrel as the media broadcasts negative, emotional headlines through their propaganda bullhorns, and that's when we'll spike back into the $40s immediately before seeing more bullish data in the 1st and second quarter of 2016 - driving prices into the $50s.

This is under the assumption that OPEC stubbornly refuses to budge. If they DO budge, oil markets are going to be on a tear into the $80s at the very least. US producers wouldn't be able to ramp up production quick enough to catch up at that point - and we'd be in the exact opposite situation we're in today!

Benjamin Cole

Well, probably right, this analysis is. But then, we did see $10 oil in the 1990s, not that long ago.

In the longer run, I think there is a ceiling on oil, somewhere in the $70 to $100 range. Alternatives and conservation make a lot of sense once oil gets too expensive, And I guess better and better fracking techniques can go global.

Plenty of wild cards out there in next 20 years. Mexico, Venezuela, Iran, Iraq, Libya, Nigeria, Russia --- gobs of oil, but can it be extracted? Even Saudi Arabia is cutting output artificially (in free-market terms).

BTW, GS Yuasa says they will have a battery with double the power at half the cost on the market in two to five years. That company is a publicly held, Japanese, and already a major commercial battery maker, so I do not think this is pie on the moon stuff, ala cellulosic ethanol or $200 barrel oil.

Urban regions with lots of battery cars? You can rent a car for cross-country drives, when you really need the gasoline. Fleets--UPS trucks, etc---will gravitate to batteries.

It may be soon EVs will actually make commercial sense.

Not sure oil is a good long-run bet. That said, oil back o $70? Very possible.

[Sep 05, 2015] WORLD TRADE IS FALLING

"...so, if we've got plenty of oil stored, and with at least two refineries operating below capacity, why do we continue to import near fracking-era record amounts of crude oil? one reason is the contango trade that we've talked about in the past, wherein contracts for oil to be delivered in the future are at a price somewhat higher than the cost of buying oil now, such that it pays for speculators to buy oil and pay for its storage, and enter into a contract to sell it back at a higher price in the future…at one point last week, the contract for oil to be delivered in December was more than a dollar a barrel higher than the current price, meaning that a speculator could buy oil at today's price, pay the fees to have it stored at Cushing or elsewhere, and sell it back in December with a clear profit…but as we should all know, for every contract there has to be a counterparty, and for everyone who's buying oil now with a contract to sell it in December, there was a seller of that oil at today's price and a someone else buying a contract to take delivery of that oil for a dollar more a barrel in December…so for every one who's trading oil like this, there is someone on the other side of those trades, be it a bank, commodities house, or an oil company, taking the other side of those contracts, and effectively betting against the contango trader…they both can't be right, and those who bet on higher prices in March and a month ago have since lost their shirts… "
Angry Bear

rjs August 23, 2015 2:39 pm

dan, when you brought up oil imports and exports in your comment here Friday, i almost responded, because i already knew our imports the prior week were the highest since April 3, since i watch the reports and write about that stuff every weekend…maybe since i didn't, i continued to think about that and took a closer look at it yesterday than i normally do, which i have just posted online…turns out our net imports of oil and oil products, ie imports minus exports, were the highest they've ever been this year in the week ending August 12th…here's the relevant excerpt, without the links to the data sets i cited:

US crude oil output fell this week, but our oil imports were the highest since early April, and with a major refinery idled, that unexpectedly led to the largest increase in our inventories of oil in storage in 4 months, precipitating yet a further crash in the price of oil…US field production of crude oil fell for the third week in a row in the week ending August 14th, from 9,395,000 barrels per day last week to 9,348,000 barrels per day in this week's report…while that was down 2.7% from the modern record of 9,610,000 barrels per day set in the week ending June 5th, it was still 9.6% higher than our output of 8,556,000 barrels per day in the same week last year…our imports of crude oil, meanwhile, rose for the 3rd week in a row, jumping from 7,573,000 barrels per day in the week ending August 7th to 8,038,000 barrels per day in the current report…while that's 2.4% more than the same week last year, our 7.6 million barrels per day average crude imports of the last 4 weeks is still 0.9% lower than the same 4 week period of last year…

however, even with the increased oil supply brought about by that large increase in imports, that oil was not being put to use to the same degree as last week…due in large part to the unexpected August 8 outage at the BP refinery in Whiting, Indiana, the largest BP refinery and the largest in the US Midwest, U.S. crude oil refinery inputs dropped to 16,775,000 barrels per day, from the 17,029,000 barrel per day level of the week ending August 7th…so with greater supply and less refinery throughput, our crude oil inventories in storage rose by 2,620,000 barrels to 456,213,000 barrels in week ended August 14th, 24.3% more oil than the 367,019 ,000 barrels we had stored at the end of the 2nd week of August last year…that was, of course, more than was ever stored anytime in August in the 80 years that the EIA has records for, which had never seen the 400 million barrel inventory level breached before this year…that news of even higher inventories during the summer driving season when inventories usually fall sent oil prices down by 4.8% to a six and a half year low at $40.57 a barrel on Wednesday, and although the expiring September contract price inched up on Thursday on news of the first hurricane of the Atlantic season, oil prices for October delivery crashed again on Friday in the midst of a global market panic, briefly slipping below $40 a barrel, before closing the week at $40.45, capping the longest weekly losing streak for oil prices in 29 years…

so, if we've got plenty of oil stored, and with at least two refineries operating below capacity, why do we continue to import near fracking-era record amounts of crude oil? one reason is the contango trade that we've talked about in the past, wherein contracts for oil to be delivered in the future are at a price somewhat higher than the cost of buying oil now, such that it pays for speculators to buy oil and pay for its storage, and enter into a contract to sell it back at a higher price in the future…at one point last week, the contract for oil to be delivered in December was more than a dollar a barrel higher than the current price, meaning that a speculator could buy oil at today's price, pay the fees to have it stored at Cushing or elsewhere, and sell it back in December with a clear profit…but as we should all know, for every contract there has to be a counterparty, and for everyone who's buying oil now with a contract to sell it in December, there was a seller of that oil at today's price and a someone else buying a contract to take delivery of that oil for a dollar more a barrel in December…so for every one who's trading oil like this, there is someone on the other side of those trades, be it a bank, commodities house, or an oil company, taking the other side of those contracts, and effectively betting against the contango trader…they both can't be right, and those who bet on higher prices in March and a month ago have since lost their shirts…

another reason for continued high imports of oil is that we're exporting more refined products than ever before…in the 2nd week of August, our total exports of refined petroleum products averaged 3,884,000 barrels per day, up 10.6% from the 3,512,000 barrels per day we were exporting in the same week last year…but that's also more than double the 1,851,000 barrels per day of refined products we were exporting in August 2009, and more than quadruple the 964,000 barrels per day of refined products we were exporting in August of 2004…we're also exporting more crude oil too, mostly mostly to Canada, where the lighter grades of distillates are blended with tar from the oil sands to produce diluted bitumen, or dilbit, which can then be delivered by pipeline…on a monthly basis, our total exports of crude and petroleum products hit a record 4,943,000 barrels per day in April, more than double the 2,432,000 total exports of April five years earlier…

but the week just ended was somewhat an anomaly, in that with the aforementioned refinery constraints, our total exports did not rise, and our total imports of refined products rose to 2,614,000 barrels per day, up from 1,927,000 barrels per day of refined product we imported just two weeks ago …that was only the 2nd time in the past two years wherein our refined product imports topped 2.6 million barrels per day, and as a result our total imports of crude oil and petroleum products rose to 10,652,000 barrels per day, for our highest weekly total imports this year…subtracting the 4,460,000 barrels per day of crude and products that we exported this week means our net petroleum and product deficit was at 6,192,000 barrels per day for the week, which was also the greatest excess of crude and products imports over exports that we've seen this year…

despite that, the industry is pushing to have the 40 year old crude oil export ban repealed; it's already passed the House. why? simple; international oil prices have been running between $5 and $10 a barrel more than US oil prices. dont have to tell you what will happen to US prices if that happens…

run75441 , August 23, 2015 3:19 pm

RJS:

Like oil production, refining is a cartel in itself and matching refining to demand is profitable.

Anyhoo here is a chart to help you along. http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MOPUEUS2&f=M

rjs , August 23, 2015 3:52 pm

yeah, bill, i mine the EIA datasets every week, and the weekly EIA reports are where all the numbers above came from…not surprisingly, the refiners are not passing through all of their lower costs to the consumers…

the difference between crude oil and gasoline prices has increased by more than 50% from a year ago, so the pure refiners are making a bundle…the oil majors are using refinery profits to offset exploration and exploitation losses, and they all saw big downturns in 2nd quarter earnings anyway…

and probably half the independent drillers i looked at in the first two weeks of August saw losses in the 2nd quarter, and that was when oil prices were 50% higher than they are now…

Spencer England , August 24, 2015 10:37 am

I monitor the Census real trade data and it shows that POL ( petroleum, oils & lubricants) is now equal to almost 50% of exports. that is partly a function of weaker imports, bottleneck but real exports have been growing at double digit rates for several years.

West Texas Intermediate is selling at a discount to Brent, partially because of transportation bottlenecks. The Gulf Coast refiners are taking advantage of this discount to refine WTI and sell it in Europe where the refiners use Brent oil.

The Keystone pipeline could eliminate this unusual spread and the US refiners would lose their price advantage - oil companies should be careful of what you wish for. Of course at today's prices the Keystone pipeline is not profitable.

rjs , August 24, 2015 10:55 am

the BP refinery in Whiting i mentioned above was one of the main processors of heavy crude such as dilbit from Canada, which is coming in to the US through the Enbridge pipeline system (Steve Horn at Desmogblog has had a series on how the "Keystone clone" , from Alberta to Lake Superior to the Fleming pipeline in Illinois, was quietly approved under the radar)

at any rate, with Whiting down, maybe for a month, there's no one around to process West Canada Select…i saw it quoted with an $18 handle last week, when WTI was in the 40s…WTI has been trading with a $38 handle all morning, so they're probably having trouble giving that tar sands output away by now…

[Sep 05, 2015] Global Economic Fears Cast Long Dark Shadow On Oil Price Rebound by Evan Kelly

Sep 05, 2015 | Zero Hedge via OilPrice.com,

After bouncing around, oil prices finished off the week with just a bit less volatility than when it started the week. WTI stayed at around $46 per barrel as of midday on September 4, with Brent holding at $50 per barrel.

Aside from supply and demand fundamentals in the oil markets, central bank policymaking is another major factor determining the trajectory of oil prices. The European Central Bank hinted that it might consider more monetary stimulus to help the stagnant European economy. Oil prices rose on the news. The markets, however, are waiting on a much more significant announcement from the Federal Reserve this month on whether or not the central bank will raise interest rates. This summer's market turmoil – the Greek debt crisis and the meltdown in the Chinese stock markets – has dimmed the prospect of a rate increase.

Moreover, the global economic unease may begin to reach American shores. On September 4, the U.S. government released data for the month of August, revealing that the U.S. economy added only 173,000 jobs, a mediocre performance that missed expectations. Although an economic slowdown is no doubt a negative for oil prices, the news could provide enough justification for the Fed to hold off on raising interest rates. A delay in a rate hike could push up WTI and Brent.

Although a slew of Canadian oil sands projects have been cancelled due to incredibly low oil prices, several large projects were already underway before the downturn. With the costs of cancellation too high, these projects continue to move forward. When they come online – several of which are expected by 2017 – they could add another 500,000 barrels per day in production, potentially exacerbating the glut of supplies not just in terms of global supply, but more specifically in terms of the flow of oil from Canada. Canadian oil already trades at a discount to WTI, now at around $15 per barrel.

That means that when WTI dropped below $40 per barrel last week, Western Canada Select was nearing $20 per barrel. With the latest rebound to the mid-$40s, WCS is only around $30 per barrel. But with breakeven prices for many Canadian oil sands projects at $80 per barrel for WTI, oil operators in Alberta are no doubt losing sleep over their current situation. One important caveat to remember is that unlike shale projects, Canada's oil sands [mines] operate for decades, so the immediate downturn does not necessarily ruin project economics. However, with a strong rebound in prices no longer expected in the near-term, high-cost oil sands projects are probably not where an investor wants to be.

Low oil prices continue to take their toll. Bank of America downgraded BP to "underperform" and warned that its dividend policy faces risks.

... ... ...

Saudi Arabia's King Salman arrived in Washington on September 4 to meet with U.S. President Barack Obama. The two leaders will discuss the Iran nuclear deal, a deal that the Saudi King had strongly opposed from the start, but has since begrudgingly warmed up to following security promises from the United States. If they can manage to stay on the same page with the Iran deal, the two leaders will then discuss the ongoing conflicts in Syria and Yemen. There is obviously little to no prospect that such intensely complicated conflicts will get sorted out in the near future, so more modest goals for the trip include simply building trust between the two countries. Although long-term allies, Saudi Arabia has become more mistrustful of the U.S. President following the thaw in relations between the U.S. and Iran. The trip follows what the media has called a "snub" when King Salman declined to come to Washington this past spring for a summit of other Gulf state leaders.

... ... ...

Russian President Vladimir Putin met Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro in China this week, and the two sides apparently discussed ways to stabilize oil prices. Maduro says that they agreed on "initiatives" to address low oil prices, but did not elaborate with details. In all likelihood, Maduro is engaging in a degree of bluster and wishful thinking. Neither side has the capacity to cut oil production as both are facing varying degrees of economic and financial crisis. However, earlier this week oil prices briefly spiked on news that Russia might be willing to negotiate coordinated action. Prices subsequently retreated once expectations subsided.

... ... ...

[Sep 04, 2015] Narrative And Reality Of The U.S. War On Syria

"...The US media knows nothing and cares less, it is anything goes, they just sell media consumption / clicks on the intertubes / TV watching, etc. / advertising / Gvmt. propanganda, all of which which changes day by day… the more ppl are confused, the better"
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"...The sophisticated propaganda apparatus that we enjoy (NOT!) today is a mix of half-truths, false narratives and (falser) counter-narratives. (Some counter-narratives, I think, are from well-meaning people who distrust government and are trying to interpret what is really happening thru the lens of their own (often limited) experience.)"
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"...Interesting too, that the Ukraine situation is hotting up. Maybe the thinking is that Putin could not handle multiple crises? "
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"...Bhadrakumar is always the best. But, I think it's realistic to take a step further Flynn's admission about the US "knowing about ISIL" (but not knowing its name) back in 2012. Wouldn't it be more realistic to guess that the US also knew about Saudi defense/intelligence ministry plans to create and fund 'ISIL' from the beginning? Does anyone here think _anything_ going on at a high level in Saudi escapes US intelligence?
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And then, a step further, you would think US experts would be helpfully guiding the Saudis as to where best to insert ISIL forces, how best to fund/supply them, and so on. Saudi royal family cronies are not the most competent or hardworking administrators, and they're not privy to the intel and experience the US has in the 'our terrorism' specialty, and so it's natural to expect they'd ask for and receive US help with this stuff."
Aug 14, 2015 | M of A

The Washington Post "It Never Happened" piece on Syria documented yesterday is far from the only one that avoids to mention the intimate U.S. involvement in waging war on Syria.

A New York Times piece today falsely claims:

The United States avoided intervening in the civil war between rebels and the government of Mr. Assad until the jihadist group took advantage of the chaos to seize territory in Syria and Iraq.

McClatchy, which is usual better, currently has two pieces by Hannah Allam looking into U.S. involvement in the war on Syria. Unfortunately these are also full of false narratives and unchecked administration propaganda. Obama administration still predicts 'Assad's days are numbered' is a take of what administration officials now claim about their early believes of the war on Syria. It also includes this whoopers:

The Americans were determined to keep the United States out of an armed conflict in Syria, but turned a blind eye as Persian Gulf allies sent weapons to hardline factions with ties to al Qaida.

Years ago the NYT and several other outlets reported that the CIA was the entity which organized the weapon transfers, thousands of tons, for the Saudis and other Gulf countries. The U.S. did not turn a blind eye. It was actively organizing the whole war from the very beginning.

In The 'magic words:' How a simple phrase enmeshed the U.S. in Syria's crisis Hannah Allam lets the former ambassador to Syria Ford claim that the administration never really wanted to ouster Assad but was pressed into it:

Ford, the U.S. ambassador to Syria at the time, said he initially opposed calling for Assad's ouster for two reasons: it was clear to him that sanctions were the only punishment the White House was willing to use, and that such a call would kill his efforts to start a dialogue with the regime.

Ford said he was up against the same outside pressures other officials listed – influential Republicans, a few senior Democrats, the "very loud" Syrian-American community and foreign governments – but he added one force that's often overlooked.

"To be very frank, the press, the media, was baiting us. It's not like the media was impartial in this," Ford said. "Because once the Republicans started saying he has no legitimacy, the question then became at press conferences every day: Do you think he has legitimacy? What are we supposed to say? Yes, he does?"

Hogwash. Ford was one of the first to press for the ouster of Assad. He even organized the early demonstration and the media training for the "peaceful demonstrators" who were early on killing policemen and soldiers. One of the "revolutionaries" reacts to Ford's claims:

The 47th
Out of all ppl, Robert Ford is talking about Syrians being mislead by the magic words? Ford "promised" us Syrians full support in 2011.

The 47th
In private meetings In damascus, Robert Ford promised his syrian oppo friends full U.S. Support and encouraged Syrians to go on.

The 47th
He even went to fucking Hama, during the biggest protest in Syria's modern history youtu.be/AP1vGBJM4NU

The 47th
I wdnt talk abt ppl misinterpreting U.S public statements, U were ur Admin's amb, say the truth: u promised Syrians the moon, gave them shit

All these media pieces, yesterday's WaPo piece, today's false NYT claims, the McClatchy pieces, are part of the Obama strategy to play as if it was/is doing "nothing" or "just something" while at the time time running a full fledged proxy war against the Syrian government.

Joel Veldkamp lays out and analyses that strategy:

Why does the U.S. only have sixty fighters to show for its $500 million, year-old training program? Because it reinforces the narrative – nurtured by a raft of previous hopelessly inadequate, publicly-announced and -debated programs to support the opposition – of the U.S. as a helpless bystander to the killing in Syria, and of President Obama as a prudent statesman reluctant to get involved. While the Senate berates the Pentagon chief over the program's poor results, the U.S. is meanwhile outsourcing the real fight in Syria to allies with no qualms about supporting al Qaeda against their geopolitical opponents – unless the U.S. is, as before, cooperating directly or indirectly in that support.

Once it is recognized that the "helpless bystander" narrative is false, and that the U.S. has been deeply involved in the armed conflict almost from the start, it becomes both possible and necessary to question that involvement.

What I find astonishing is that the U.S. media are able to have it both ways on Syria. Every other day there is a piece with the false narrative that the U.S. is not and has not been involved in Syria while at the same time the very same media, NYT, WaPo, McClatchy, publish other pieces about the massive "secret" military effort with thousands of tons of weapon shipments and billions of dollars the Obama administration pushes into Syria to wage war against the Syrian people.

The media know that the "helpless bystander" narrative is false. But Joel Veldkamp's hope that this would make it "possible and necessary to question that involvement" is not coming true. Besides in fringe blogs like this one there is no such public discussion at all.

Noirette | Aug 14, 2015 1:19:32 PM | 2

Re. Syria (others...) the US is divided.

Perpetual violent war-mongers (McCain, his acolytes, neo-cons, neo-libs) facing a more 'realistic' foreign policy - Obama and Kerry, see Iran deal.

These parties are fighting amongst each other and pursuing different agendas. Ex.: Ukraine, where the ones are gingerly, half-heartedly, supporting the Minsk 2 agreement and want to get rid of the 'distraction' and leave it for now to the EU and/or Russia to pay for the mess.

The other camp, going for all out-war against Russia, with boots on the ground / powerful arms / bombing / other, in Ukr., attacking Russia through a proxy. - Ukr. can't manage on its own as has now been conclusively demonstrated.

Now that might be good cop-bad cop routine, but overall it explains the 'frozen-for-now conflict' (deathly as it is and not frozen) in Ukraine. Along with the fact that Putin wants nothing to do with this mess and imho? stops the separatists from conquering more territory.

Failed states, characteristics.

... Being open to outside soft take-over and influence. The PTB hob-nob, submit to outsiders (who have some sorta power), and make contradictory alliances in function of interest groups. A failed state cannot truly defend itself, so it deploys what might it can to intimidate, always with allies, proxies, buddies, etc. It agresses militarily only the weak and easily vanquished (nobody objects to that) but gains no advantages from it. On it goes, squandering its ressources.

The destruction of Syria has worked fine. But Assad can't be removed. Now the plan is he is to stay but be 'wound down' or whatever.

The US media knows nothing and cares less, it is anything goes, they just sell media consumption / clicks on the intertubes / TV watching, etc. / advertising / Gvmt. propanganda, all of which which changes day by day… the more ppl are confused, the better!

Jackrabbit | Aug 14, 2015 3:05:34 PM | 6

As b points out, the cat is out of the bag. So this is not about plausible deniability.

The sophisticated propaganda apparatus that we enjoy (NOT!) today is a mix of half-truths, false narratives and (falser) counter-narratives. (Some counter-narratives, I think, are from well-meaning people who distrust government and are trying to interpret what is really happening thru the lens of their own (often limited) experience.)

The "helpless bystander" narrative is complemented by the "ruthless tyrant" narrative. A recent CBS news segment about the demise of the small American armed and trained anti-ISIL force related how hundreds of potential fighters had dropped out. Why? Because they thought *ASSAD* was a worse problem than ISIL!

The propaganda push, coming after recent developments like USA saying it will attack any force that attacks USA-supported militants, leads me to wonder if we're being prepared for a surprise! that forces USA involvement.

Interesting too, that the Ukraine situation is hotting up. Maybe the thinking is that Putin could not handle multiple crises?

Mina | Aug 14, 2015 1:54:29 PM | 5

http://blogs.rediff.com/mkbhadrakumar/2015/08/10/us-took-willful-decision-to-create-islamic-state/
Bhadhrakumar

harry law | Aug 14, 2015 3:49:52 PM | 8

Putin is well aware of US duplicity, and the West promises to protect the Libya minority, which morphed into Regime change. Iran is even more aware of the US game in Syria, it is for that reason both countries be on their guard in the event that the US, or their proxies, intervene in Syria, which I am sure they would like to do.

I hope it is the case that Assad has things in hand, and that he does not need the help of Iran's military manpower, in the event that he did, I am sure the military alliance between the two would provide such assistance if called for by Assad, this would be entirely within International law, after all the Saudis and Turks have been facilitating the influx of thousands of head chopping fanatics into Syria in breach of International law in their attempt to topple the legitimate Syrian Government.

Joe Tedesky | Aug 14, 2015 11:58:56 PM | 17

Someone please give Zbigniew a call, and ask him how to spin the narrative on Syria. This whole mess the U.S. is squirming around in is a result of it's own doing. For a long time the U.S. has attempted to live two lives. One life as a democracy warrior, the other as a master of deception. Brzezinski went big back in the seventies, when he convinced Jimmy Carter to back the Mujaheddin against Russia.

Smart move, except now every Gulf nation has their personal mercenaries at their disposal. This is going on at the same time that every Joe-Bob in America thinks it's those crazy Muslims. So savage mercenaries they are not, but savage Muslims they must be.

So finally now when people in the White House wake up to the fact that this isn't 1978 they are struck with an epiphany to suddenly change their tune. This shouldn't surprise anyone. This is what they do. No one ever said they do it well. Well, maybe some will say that, but then again this is how it gets done. My one hope is that all people, whether Syrian, Iraqi, Ukrainian, or just down right anyone may live in peace. Why, is this so hard?

plantman | Aug 15, 2015 12:50:20 AM | 18

This is from the WSWS: developments on the ground (in Syria) are underscoring that any diplomatic settlement over Syria will be implemented through a militarized carve-up of the country, spearheaded by the Pentagon and its regional partners and proxy forces.

As part of a deal reached in July between Ankara and Washington, Turkish President and Justice and Development Party (AKP) government leader Erdogan gained US backing for the imposition of a militarized "buffer zone" encompassing hundreds of square miles in northern Syria. The new zone would be occupied by Syrian opposition fighters and reinforced by the US and Turkish air forces, with US forces having been cleared to operate from Turkish bases as part of the agreement.

Once established, the military zone would serve as a staging area for US-backed rebel forces fighting against the Assad government.

Despite their public confidence in Putin's readiness to accept a deal, the Turkish government is clearly preparing its own large-scale military intervention into areas of northern Syria." http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/08/14/syri-a14.html

Yes, Putin wants a deal, so Turkey and Jordan are positioning themselves to steal parts of Syria before the agreement is made.

But what about the US? The US won't want the Russian deal because they won't be able to install their own stooge in Damascus. So the fighting goes on, Iran gets more involved, and Putin has to decide whether to send troops to avoid another Libya.

What a mess!

fairleft | Aug 15, 2015 4:14:03 AM | 19

Mina @5

Thanks. Bhadrakumar is always the best.

But, I think it's realistic to take a step further Flynn's admission about the US "knowing about ISIL" (but not knowing its name) back in 2012. Wouldn't it be more realistic to guess that the US also knew about Saudi defense/intelligence ministry plans to create and fund 'ISIL' from the beginning? Does anyone here think _anything_ going on at a high level in Saudi escapes US intelligence?

And then, a step further, you would think US experts would be helpfully guiding the Saudis as to where best to insert ISIL forces, how best to fund/supply them, and so on. Saudi royal family cronies are not the most competent or hardworking administrators, and they're not privy to the intel and experience the US has in the 'our terrorism' specialty, and so it's natural to expect they'd ask for and receive US help with this stuff.

fairleft | Aug 15, 2015 5:07:16 AM | 21

Bhadrakumar's piece ends very strong, especially the final paragraph:

The specious plea being advanced by Washington currently is that the US wants to turn Afghanistan into a regional hub to wage a war against the IS - a war by the US and its partners, which, in the opinion of Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, could last not less than a generation.

This Dempsey guy is a smart general, isn't it? It was under his watch that the IS was finessed and deployed as the instrument of US regional policy to overthrow the established government in Syria and to force Baghdad to allow the return of American troops to Iraq – and now he pops up in Afghan President Ashraf Ghani's office in Kabul one fine day two weeks ago to make the proposition that Washington might need an open-ended military presence in Afghanistan for another 15-20 years to wage the global war against the IS.

It will take another Gen Flynn to tell us another time circa 2025 that the IS that subsequently overthrew the established governments in Central Asia, bled white the regions of Xinjiang and North Caucasus and Kashmir, destroyed the Pakistani state and led to that country's disintegration, and kept Iran bogged down in the sheer preservation of its plural society (which is an ethnic mosaic) was actually incubated in the American military bases in Afghanistan.

El Sid | Aug 15, 2015 9:12:34 AM | 23

part 1 of 2
Polar Reorientation In the Mideast (US-Iran)?
Fri, Aug 14, 2015
By Andrew KORYBKO
http://orientalreview.org/2015/08/14/polar-reorientation-in-the-mideast-us-iran-i/

Posted by: okie farmer | Aug 15, 2015 7:22:04 AM | 22

El Sid | Aug 15, 2015 9:12:34 AM | 23

http://thesaker.is/the-saker-interviews-general-ret-amine-htaite-of-the-lebanese-armed-forces/

The Saker has a great interview with Gnl Amine Htaite of the Lebanese Armed Forces.

Good to get an Orientalist point of view these days.

jfl | Aug 15, 2015 9:34:27 AM | 24

@18

Turkish nationalists reject minority government in blow to Erdogan

Hard to tell if the good guys are going to increase their representation or the bad guys ... but I hope to see the hind side of this particular turkey. Looks like the Turks of every species are grousing at Erdogan at every opportunity.


@21

' This Dempsey guy is a smart general, isn't it? It was under his watch that the IS was finessed and deployed as the instrument of US regional policy to overthrow the established government in Syria and to force Baghdad to allow the return of American troops to Iraq – and now he pops up in Afghan President Ashraf Ghani's office in Kabul one fine day two weeks ago to make the proposition that Washington might need an open-ended military presence in Afghanistan for another 15-20 years to wage the global war against the IS. '

Dempsey is getting ready for his personal revolution ... through the revolving door to the pot of gold as the end of the rainbow. The US armed forces are now committing to losing wars for ... as long as they can. Afghanistan is one of their major profit centers.

rufus magister | Aug 15, 2015 10:12:34 AM | 26

Plantman at 18 --

You're right to call it a hot mess. The Ukraine, Libya, Iraq and More! Collect and trade them all! Everyone will want a complete set of the "Most Wanted" cards, naturally.

Mike Whitney at Counterpunch is always a good read on the economy. He turns his talents here to Syria, asking the musical question, Is Putin Planning to Sell-Out Assad? He doesn't think so.

Forget about ISIS and Syrian President Bashar al Assad for a minute and, instead, focus on the terms "autonomous zones", "creation of …sanctuaries", "safe zones" and "a confederal Syria."

All of these strongly suggest that the primary aim of US policy is to break Syria up into smaller units that pose no threat to US-Israeli regional hegemony. This is the US gameplan in a nutshell.

In contrast, Russia does not want a divided Syria. Aside from the fact that Moscow and Damascus are long-term allies (and Russia has a critical naval facility in Tartus, Syria), a balkanized Syria poses serious threats for Russia...."

Amongst them, "the probable emergence of a jihadi base of operations" with some of those ops targeting the Russian Federation, and a legitimizing a whole array of bad practices in international relations.

The under-reported diplomacy by Putin, Whitney writes, is aimed at implementation of the Geneva accord of 2012.

Geneva does not resolve the central issue, which is: "Does Assad stay or go?" That question is not answered definitively. It all depends of composition of the "transitional governing body" and the outcome of future elections....

Here's how Lavrov summed it up two days ago:

"I have already said, Russia and Saudi Arabia support all principles of the June 30, 2012 Geneva communique, in particular, the need to preserve government institutions, including the Syrian army. I believe its participation in the effective struggle against terrorists is truly essential."

Whitney allows, "Some will... say that Putin is 'selling out a friend and ally', but that's not entirely true. He's trying to balance two opposing things at the same time." Keep the back of an ally, but get Saudi help to end the jihadi war in Syria.

And even if Assad is removed, the process (Geneva) is such that the next president is not going to be a hand-picked US stooge, but someone who is supported by the majority of the Syrian people. Needless to say, Washington doesn't like that idea.

Some "moderate jihadi" riding in on a Humvee is more to DC's taste.

In as much as Assad the Younger, former London optometrist, is more of a figurehead and less an autocrat than his late father, Ba'ath Party institutions should prove suitably robust and cohesive to have a significant impact on any future government.

Whitney points to the Turkmen militias earlier under discussion [see the "Turkey Invades" thread] and concludes, time is short for Putin to pull off another diplomatic victory and prevent America from crossing another "red line" in its efforts to destroy Syria.

jfl at 24

I'd like to see Erdogan out, but I would note he's survived numerous rounds of substantial discontent. See the links in my nr. 84 in Turkey Invades if you're curious about his political calculations; sadly, he may be correct. He will not see this rejection as a blow, but will welcome it.

And to all you Barflies, I keep saying -- it's not about ISIS, or even Assad. It's all about the PKK and the Kurds. That's the real story, not the official narrative.

Noirette | Aug 15, 2015 11:12:00 AM | 30

As Narrative is in the title….When the protests in Syria broke out, and war began, I awarded the label 'genuine' to some of the early protests, which nobody agreed with iirc. I related these protests to catastrophic drought (which is well documented, > goog) and the unwillingness / incapacity / blindness of the Assad Gvmt in addressing the matter in any way at all.

One major problem was that the drought coincided with liberal moves by Assad - cutting bread subsidies (2008! - food prices R O S E by astonishing %), fuel subsididies for farmers (others too), opening up the banking sector, and totally mismanaging water -> …all done to please the W and 'modernise'.

Which lead to massive destruction of the farming community (very consequent at the time) and ppl flocking to the towns where they could not earn a living. The MSM has recently (March 2015) discovered this, e.g. the NYT - http://tinyurl.com/k5asy5h - which states that 1.5 million ppl moved to cities (idk about that no., seems low, but more were displaced and fell into poverty in other ways. Or fled, leading to further disorganisation and damage. At some point a threshold or tipping point is reached.) The article also mentions refugees from Iraq - a separate issue.

It is natural to be polarised on human decisions, influence, plots, but I really think one should take climate change into account. Note the 'liberalisation moves' were the usual, and Assad agreed but took it very slow - he faced opposition from various quarters, incl. his minister of Economy. Now we see similar but far more radical measures imposed on Greece, Ukraine, like a speeded-up movie.

academic paper, cautious and wordy. mentions the diff. topics

http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/WCAS-D-13-00059.1

news from 2010, 2-3 million ppl thrown into extreme poverty in Syria

http://www.irinnews.org/report/90442/syria-drought-pushing-millions-into-poverty

Oui | Aug 17, 2015 12:21:18 PM | 49

Erdogan preempted the snap elactions by a snap diktat ...

Erdoğan's declaration of 'system change' outrages Turkey's opposition | Hürriyet Daily News |

President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan's declaration of a de facto shift in Turkey's administrative system to a presidential system has infuriated opposition leaders, who say the declaration indicates "rule by diktat."

In remarks delivered in his hometown, the Black Sea province of Rize, on Aug. 14, Erdoğan said Turkey had witnessed a change in the president's new role and asked for the constitution to be updated to recognize his de facto deployment of enhanced powers.

"There is a president with de facto power in the country, not a symbolic one. The president should conduct his duties for the nation directly, but within his authority. Whether one accepts it or not, Turkey's administrative system has changed. Now, what should be done is to update this de facto situation in the legal framework of the constitution," he said.

Posted to my diary - Israel Ready to Join the Sunni Alliance Against Assad, Syria.

guest77 | Aug 17, 2015 10:49:49 PM | 51

There is only one history of the Syrian War so far as I am concerned, and the is b's: http://www.moonofalabama.org/2013/09/a-short-history-of-the-war-on-syria-2006-2014.html

I would suggest that you keep that post updated as we go, though of course maybe it isn't your blogging style. But it's a brilliant piece.

[Sep 03, 2015] Who Is Listening to Dick Cheney by Lucy Steigerwald

"...So yes, Cheney should be mocked, disrespected, and condemned for now. His ideas should be ripped to pieces. But it isn't entirely about him, or whether any of the 2016 GOPers want to explicitly tout his ideas for the world. Cheney is not subtle. Republicans and Democrats today, at this moment, have to be more coy about their imperial ambitions. Often, the only real difference is the honesty. Forget this dangerous notion that warmongering is so last decade. It is part of our daily life. Forget the idea that since we all boo and hiss when Cheney's name appears in a byline, the threat of him is long gone. It isn't. When the leading candidate with antiwar credentials says he supports a limited drone war, you can be assured that the problem is bigger than Cheney, and bigger than the neocons. "
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Who Is Listening to Dick Cheney?

by Lucy Steigerwald, September 03, 2015

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Dick Cheney is a former vice president who had an enormous effect on public policy, and therefore on history. He should be interviewed by media outlets. He should be asked tough questions about every single aspect of his tenure in the White House. We cannot pretend that Cheney does not belong in history books, or that he will vanish if we just wish hard enough.

But the line should be firmly drawn. Cheney is part of history, and there he should stay. But not so much that we pretend he is toothless and apolitical. He should not be steered out as a fun toy, the way Henry Kissinger and Madeleine Albright and other, shall we say, controversial politicians have been on stunt-cast on shows ranging from Gilmore Girls to The Colbert Report.

Most importantly, Dick Cheney's new attention-grabbing attempts should be ignored. The man was given a much longer leash than most VPs to wreck the world. He's done. Unfortunately, Dick doesn't think so himself.

George W. Bush has been unfairly praised for mostly keeping his nose out of President Obama's business. But Obama has had his own wars in Libya, and all over the MIddle East via drone. He doesn't really need the advice of any warmongers beyond his own cabinet.

The question now is who among the 2016 contenders might be the most eager to learn from Cheney. Because Cheney and his daughter Liz do have lots of opinions to share. A whole book of them, in fact. It is called Exceptional: Why the World Needs a Powerful America. Last week, The Wall Street Journal published an excerpt.

It seems Cheney and Lil Cheney know that it's "more than likely" a nuclear weapon will be not just acquired by Iran, but that someone will use one due to catastrophic effects of the Iran deal.

Forget Obama's claim on the word. Audacity thy name is Cheney. Not only is he shamelessly happy to defend the war he started, he is also ready to tell the whole world how America should act. Best of all, he is ready to predict the long-term effects of foreign policy decisions. He is practically a seer, as long as you ignore his incessant refrain that Saddam Hussein was tied in some way to 9/11.

Government is magic like that. But few people are quite as bold as Cheney when it comes to defending a 1.7 trillion-dollar boondoggle that killed hundreds of thousands.

Some people aren't worried about this nostalgia for 2003. The Washington Post's Paul Waldman look at CheneySquared's bid for attention and remained unperturbed. Waldman seems to think that the class of 2016 is not going to give the Cheney spirit attention, so why worry? After all, nearly every candidate – including Jeb Bush! – has suggested that the Iraq war was a mistake as it was fought. Cheney stands almost entirely alone as a national politician in his conviction that it was a good war.

So what?

Pardon my pessimism, but the price of allowing Dick Cheney's freedom is eternal vigilance. His special brand of warmongering may not be in fashion at this precise moment, and neither is the 2003 war he championed, but it can always return in force. Just about every GOP candidate for the nomination has suggested or implied that Obama is a foreign policy wuss. That is, we need a more aggressive policy than the one practiced by the man who claims the right to assassinate anyone – including American citizens – and has waged a robotic, undeclared war that has left thousands of casualties.

It feels so easy now to assume the neocons are ancient history. W. left office with historically low approval ratings. We've heard and made ten thousand jokes about supervillain Cheney. His heart is weak, and he's out of power. In short, we're all superior to our 2003 selves, and would never again tolerate such an aggressive, arrogant war.

We would, if we were pushed. The American people have a low stamina for long wars, but a strong appetite for starting a new one when they are told it is essential. The idea that the official summary of the Iraq war as a "mistake" means we can relax is a dangerous one. Nobody running with a shot in hell believes that in any substantial way. They believe they have to say it was a mistake, because the popular winds now blow that way. Their war, if they felt they needed to fight one, would be different. Your war is always different.

If the hawks are smart, they will keep going to war by fits and starts. Then they can remake the world the way they wish to. Drone wars are "better" than boots on the ground in Iraq, so not Obama or Bernie Sanders can say anything about them. The cheaper drones get, the easier it will be to keep a constant, psychologically traumatizing presence in countries with which we cannot even be bothered to declare war.

Perhaps ISIS will be met with full military force, perhaps the Iran-hawks will gain an upper hand, but not necessarily. It's easier to just send a few more advisers and troops back into Iraq. Make your allies bomb instead. Regardless, as The Nation noted this week, the civilian casualties that result from these engagements will remain minor news. Civilian casualties are boring. Keep that war on the backburner, and after a few more years, 2003 will be a thousand years ago, and then maybe the Cheney crowd will come back.

So yes, Cheney should be mocked, disrespected, and condemned for now. His ideas should be ripped to pieces. But it isn't entirely about him, or whether any of the 2016 GOPers want to explicitly tout his ideas for the world. Cheney is not subtle. Republicans and Democrats today, at this moment, have to be more coy about their imperial ambitions. Often, the only real difference is the honesty.

Forget this dangerous notion that warmongering is so last decade. It is part of our daily life. Forget the idea that since we all boo and hiss when Cheney's name appears in a byline, the threat of him is long gone. It isn't. When the leading candidate with antiwar credentials says he supports a limited drone war, you can be assured that the problem is bigger than Cheney, and bigger than the neocons.

Lucy Steigerwald is a contributing editor for Antiwar.com and a columnist for VICE.com. She previously worked as an Associate Editor for Reason magazine. She is most angry about police, prisons, and wars. Steigerwald blogs at www.thestagblog.com.

[Sep 03, 2015] America's terrible roads are good for Michelin's business CEO

"...The Federal Highway Administration estimates it will take $170 billion a year to make significant improvements on America's roads and bridges."
Sep 03, 2015 | finance.yahoo.com

"The fact that fuel prices are low today is driving more driving miles…so our business right now is very strong," claimed Pete Selleck, Michelin North America chairman and president.

... ... ...

"Right now demand is extremely strong right in the core of our business which is passenger car and medium truck tires," said Selleck.

And America's deteriorating road conditions are helping the company's sales in that market. "Bad roads is actually good for our business because tires then get damaged," said Selleck.

In its most recent infrastructure report, the American Society of Civil Engineers graded U.S. roads a "D". But Selleck puts the financial responsibility solely on the government. "At the federal level and at the very state levels, there has to be more money put into maintaining roads, bridges and other aspects of the infrastructure," he said.

The Federal Highway Administration estimates it will take $170 billion a year to make significant improvements on America's roads and bridges.

... ... ...

[Sep 03, 2015] The Inevitability of a War President by Lucy Steigerwald by Lucy Steigerwald

Sep 03, 2015 | Antiwar.com
In April, former president George W. Bush told a group of supporters that he wanted to sit out of his brother's campaign because voters have an aversion to the Oval Office becoming a family affair. On September 10, W. will be the man in charge at a fundraiser for Jeb in New York City.

Former Gov. Jeb Bush being assisted by George W. Bush is just one sign that the new class of would-be presidents is shamelessly, painfully close to what we have seen before. And this includes their stance on keeping American empire strong.

Indeed, there's a reason the Bushes have done so well in politics. Back in 2013, Barbara Bush said that she didn't want to see another member of the clan as president. The country, she said, had had enough Bushes. Back then, this seemed like a refreshing acceptance that yes, maybe a father and son should be the limit, and we didn't need to add a brother with the same damned name to the Oval Office. But Mrs. Bush backed off these comments two years later – presumably once she got the memo that Jeb was serious.

Never mind that. The novelty of Bushes paying lip service to the danger of dynasty is long gone. Bush W. and Jeb have managed to sound nuanced and even self-deprecating when they talk about their family's hunger for power. A flicker of self-awareness means only more savvy campaigning. Oh, I know you're all sick of Bushes! This isn't a dynasty! But gosh, I just have so many swell ideas, how could I not run?!

That same name is bad enough. But Bush palling around with his brother's foreign policy buddies – including none other than Paul Wolfowitz – is enough to make him a truly frightening candidate. And no, being browbeaten into admitting the War in Iraq was not wise does not count as knowing such an endeavor was inherently disastrous. This progress is particularly underwhelming when you consider the fact that W. is also one of Jeb's foreign policy advisers.

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, to her exceedingly arguable credit, doesn't pull that card of shucks, I know you don't want another Clinton, but…. Nor do her supporters. For them it is "her turn" and her family tie to a former president is nothing but a win. Her warmongering bonafides are already well-established, however that does not matter to her fans. Anyone dying for a Hillary Clinton presidency is a straw liberal who cares about power quotas for oppressed minorities such as rich, well-educated, white American women. Never mind the real oppressed minorities being bombed abroad, it's time for a woman president!

In the face of a potential choice between a Bush and a Clinton, no wonder the lunatic, xenophobic populist train of Donald Trump's candidacy has pulled out of the station and is chugging along so fiercely. In an alternate universe, Trump is a ballsy businessman who never supported the war in Iraq, and wants to have a powerful military that is never used. In reality, he's a principle-less, self-aggrandizing cipher who clearly says whatever comes to mind. No matter his occasional flashes of what appears to be sense, is there anyone who believes President Trump would be restrained, and would stress diplomacy over war? The man thinks absurd, walrus-faced hawk John Bolton, the former UN ambassador, is a good foreign policy adviser.

Rounding out the GOP class are happy interventionists such as Sen. Lindsey Graham, Sen. Marco Rubio, Sen. Ted Cruz, former Gov. Scott Walker, and neurosurgeon Ben Carson. Many of these candidates have no chance, but regardless of differences in focus, all of them are painfully pro-Israel, and all are willing to use military force against ISIS. No Republican candidate is for the deal with Iran. Almost none of them have expressed the slightest desire to have a less aggressive foreign policy. Rand Paul is the obvious exception there, and he still seems a bit less gung-ho about war-making than the rest of them. Still, he's gone appallingly hawkish during the last few months. Besides, enthusiastic or "regretful" war-making is most often just an aesthetic choice. Are you going to make sad faces after bombing, or are you going to act like a cowboy? It may not matter so much in the end, not unless a president – and a Congress, and a country – is truly dead set on avoiding war.

(Oddly, the completely ignored, polling at less-than-one-percent Lincoln Chafee has the positive legacy of being the only Republican senator to vote against the war in Iraq. His campaign website even says he "will end drone strikes, torture of prisoners, and warrantless wiretaps." He switched parties, however, making him even more of a dub to partisans.)

Now, Bernie Sanders is one feasible candidate who has a promising, if slightly underwhelming anti-interventionist history. He does not, however, seem terribly interested in making anti-interventionism a prominent point of his campaign. When I asked former Rep. Ron Paul about this in an interview which went up on the site last week, Paul qualified some of Sanders' antiwar bonafides, but admitted that the man had some good principles. Unfortunately for folks such as Ron Paul, Sanders is a democratic socialist who has subsequently alarming policy goals to anyone interested in a smaller government all around.

So, those are our choices if we're looking for even a scrap of antiwar feeling. A demagogue with nightmare hair who claims he won't use the military much, but changes his mind on issues every other day (except for xenophobia). A socialist who also hates open borders. A chip off the old block but not enough, who seems to have taken a neocon turn. The third Bush in 30 years, who can be successfully pushed into halfway admitting that his brother made a mistake when he began a war that has killed hundreds of thousands of people and destabilized an entire region. An antiwar Democrat with no chance in hell. It's going to be a long election.

Lucy Steigerwald is a contributing editor for Antiwar.com and a columnist for VICE.com. She previously worked as an Associate Editor for Reason magazine. She is most angry about police, prisons, and wars. Steigerwald blogs at www.thestagblog.com.

[Sep 03, 2015] Sorry, General, but the title greatest "purveyors of radical Islam" does not belong to the Iranians. Not even close. That belongs to our putative ally Saudi Arabia. ...

Fred C. Dobbs said... Our Radical Islamic BFF, Saudi Arabia
http://nyti.ms/1LTh6K6
NYT - Thomas L. Friedman - Sep 2

The Washington Post ran a story last week about some 200 retired generals and admirals who sent a letter to Congress "urging lawmakers to reject the Iran nuclear agreement, which they say threatens national security." There are legitimate arguments for and against this deal, but there was one argument expressed in this story that was so dangerously wrongheaded about the real threats to America from the Middle East, it needs to be called out.

Retired generals and admirals urge Congress to
reject Iran nuclear deal http://wapo.st/1JjkfNm
Washington Post - August 26

That argument was from Lt. Gen. Thomas McInerney, the retired former vice commander of U.S. Air Forces in Europe, who said of the nuclear accord: "What I don't like about this is, the number one leading radical Islamic group in the world is the Iranians. They are purveyors of radical Islam throughout the region and throughout the world. And we are going to enable them to get nuclear weapons."

Sorry, General, but the title greatest "purveyors of radical Islam" does not belong to the Iranians. Not even close. That belongs to our putative ally Saudi Arabia. ...

[Sep 03, 2015] Why Did Oil Prices Just Jump By 27 Percent in 3 Days by David Dayen

September 3, 2015 | naked capitalism

Dave here. A very good look at the various issues. Optimism reigns supreme among oil traders, it seems…

By Nick Cunningham, a Vermont-based writer on energy and environmental issues. You can follow him on twitter @nickcunningham1. Originally published at OilPrice

Oil prices have posted their strongest rally in years, jumping an astounding 27 percent in the last three trading days of August.

While much of the recent price movement defies reason and is enormously magnified by speculative movements by traders to take and cover their bets on oil, still, there were a series of rumors, events, and fresh data that helped contribute to the spike.

For example, on August 31, the oil markets woke up to the news that Russian President Vladimir Putin will meet his counterpart from Venezuela to discuss "possible mutual steps" to stabilize oil prices. The meeting will take place in China on September 3. Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro has already called for an emergency meeting of OPEC, a call that has fallen on deaf ears, at least in the most important country of Saudi Arabia.

It is still highly unlikely, but the one country that might be able to change the minds of Saudi oil officials is Russia. Again, even if Russia promised to cut back oil production to boost prices (which it has not shown a willingness to do), Saudi Arabia has little trust in Moscow to follow through on those promises. Similar understandings to cooperate in the past have fallen apart, making coordinated action unlikely.

Moreover, it is not at all clear that Russia's best move is to cut back on production. Sure, it wants higher oil prices, but selling less oil will arguably offset price gains. And the depreciation of the ruble has cushioned the blow of low oil prices – Gazprom just reported a 29 percent gain in net profit for the second quarter compared to a year earlier, largely due to a weaker ruble. So, Russia is eager for oil prices to rebound, but the Kremlin is not as desperate as Venezuela.

Yet, bringing Russia to the table was enough to raise the prospect of OPEC production cuts, at least for oil traders, which bid up the price of oil on August 31.

Adding to the speculation was a new OPEC bulletin, which included a commentary about the state of the oil markets, entitled, "Cooperation holds the key to oil's future." Most of the article was unremarkable analysis about rising oil demand, but the article concludes with this:

"Cooperation is and will always remain the key to oil's future and that is why dialogue among the main stakeholders is so important going forward. There is no quick fix, but if there is a willingness to face the oil industry's challenges together, then the prospects for the future have to be a lot better than what everyone involved in the industry has been experiencing over the past nine months or so."

In all likelihood, that is a throwaway line paying lip service to collective action, with no substance behind it. But the oil markets saw a glimmer of hope in a reevaluation of the group's strategy, possibly portending a production cut. No doubt the Venezuela-Russia meeting added fuel to that speculation. Oil markets, as irrational as they are, don't need confirmation to bid up prices. Oil prices jumped by more than 8 percent on the last day of August.

But another major reason that oil prices shot up at the end of August was due to very significant revisions by the EIA on U.S. oil production data, pointing to sharper contraction than was previously assumed. The EIA released new survey-based data, which is more accurate than their mere estimates based on extrapolation, and the new data showed that between January and May, the U.S. actually produced 40,000 to 130,000 fewer barrels per day than the agency previously reported. Then, in June, oil production dropped by 100,000 barrels per day from the month before, hitting just 9.3 million barrels per day (mb/d).

The largest downward revision came from Texas, which has been producing 100,000 to 150,000 fewer barrels than previously reported for the first half of this year.

To put that in perspective, consider the agency's own weekly data, which comes out every Wednesday, and although it is less accurate than the retrospective looks, oil prices move up and down in response to the results. In its weekly data, the EIA shows U.S. oil production above 9.5 mb/d through the middle of July. For the week ending August 21, the EIA says the U.S. is producing 9.33 mb/d, above what the agency now says the U.S. produced in June.

In other words, for several months the oil markets had believed the U.S. was producing much more oil than it actually was. Instead of continuing to climb through much of the spring and leveling off into the summer, oil production actually peaked in April and has declined consistently since then. When the EIA released this latest revision on August 31, oil prices shot up.

Finally, although probably not quite as important as the OPEC rumors and the EIA data revisions, Canada suffered some outages at its oil facilities that could lead to a disruption in supplies. Canadian Oil Sands had to shut down production of its synthetic crude oil facility after a fire damaged equipment. And Nexen Energy, an oil producer in Canada and subsidiary of China's CNOOC, had to close 95 pipelines after inspectors found problems with them. Neither company offered specifics on what the disruptions mean for their production levels, but if the outages persist, they could cut down on supplies. Canada's benchmark for synthetic crude rallied on the news.

Citigroup analysts think the recent rebound is overdone, calling it a "false start," and the 27 percent gain in just three days was "driven by a misread of market data and financial headlines." Indeed, the largest three-day price rally since 1990 was driven by headlines, but given the severe volatility and huge price swings, oil prices are not trading on the fundamentals right now. Nobody knows what will happen next.

Russell, September 3, 2015 at 4:02 am

Could it be that the search for safety in the turbulent markets view oil as the more recoverable commodity? Yet another diversification?

PlutoniumKun, September 3, 2015 at 6:17 am

It seems weird that just rumours about Opec and revised data figures could lead to such a huge upsurge in prices. The revised data figures for the US seems particularly odd – surely if it turns out there wasn't so much crude in the market, but this didn't put the price up, this indicates that demand is weaker than everyone thinks? Seems an odd logic.

I suspect that for whatever reason the market is expecting a huge surge in price and are, a bit like 100 metres sprinters on the line, occasionally jumping the gun. This would match up with the news a few weeks ago that some hedgies are betting big on domestic oil producers. I wonder if they are assuming that the US government will start putting pressure on the Saudis to reign back production after the election? Received wisdom of course is that the US always wants low prices, but now that expense tight oil is so important, it may be that someone important feels that $100 a barrel oil is in the US strategic interest. Now that the Iran deal is sealed, maybe they will be looking for an excuse to pick a fight with the Saudis.

Bam_Man, September 3, 2015 at 1:11 pm

"When the capital development of a country becomes a by-product of the activities of a casino, the job is likely to be ill done." - J.M.Keynes

Welcome to the casino, boyzz.


[Sep 02, 2015] The Mirage Of An Iranian Oil Bonanza By Dalan McEndree

Total world production is around 86 mmbl (millions barrels a day). Iran probably can contribute additional one million barrels a day). Drop of the US shale production and Canadian sands production might be higher then that. Also Iranian internal consumption (currently 2 million barrels a day) also will rise substantially after lifting of the sanctions.
"...Projecting from International Energy Agency (IEA) data, Iran is on track to produce an average ~2.85 mmbl/day of crude in 2015. The IEA puts Iran's current sustainable capacity at 3.6 mmbl/day (defined as a level achievable in 90 days and sustainable for an extended period). "
"... it is possible that Iran will lack the domestic and foreign resources necessary to increase crude output to and over 4 mmbls/day by 2020."
Sep 02, 2015 | OilPrice.com

The P5+1 agreement with Iran on Iran's nuclear program has generated (sometimes fevered) anticipation of an Iranian oil bonanza at the end of the nuclear agreement rainbow, both in terms of the increase in Iranian crude output and the business opportunities for foreign firms in driving the increase.

The anticipation comes from several sources. Iran's crude potential is one. According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA), Iran's proven crude reserves, 158 billion barrels, are the world's fourth largest (and among the cheapest to produce at $8-to-$17/barrel, depending on the source).

Iranian public statements expressing determination to increase crude output significantly are another (to 5.7 mmbl/day, according to Mehdi Hosseini, chairman of Iran's oil contracts restructuring committee). The third is the value of potential contracts for foreign suppliers. Hossein Zamaninia, Iran's deputy oil minister for commerce and international affairs, indicated the government hoped to conclude nearly 50 oil and gas projects worth $185 billion by 2020.

Projected Output and Exports to 2020

Projecting from International Energy Agency (IEA) data, Iran is on track to produce an average ~2.85 mmbl/day of crude in 2015. The IEA puts Iran's current sustainable capacity at 3.6 mmbl/day (defined as a level achievable in 90 days and sustainable for an extended period). This is roughly comparable to Iranian Oil Minister Bijan Namdar Zanganeh's assertion Iran could increase output 500,000 barrels per day within a few months after international sanctions on Iran's economy are lifted and another 500,000 barrels per day in the following months .

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Iran won't be able to finance this on its own. It has three "internal" sources of investment-frozen Iranian funds in foreign accounts, government budget resources (oil revenues flow to the Iranian government, a portion of which the government returns to the industry), and oil in storage. (Iranian banks evidently can't provide meaningful funding). Rough conjectures of the investment Iran could generate from these three sources in current low price environment are as follows:

  • Perhaps $2-$4 billion annually through 2020 from frozen Iranian funds in foreign accounts. Some estimates put the total at $100 billion (or $20 billion annually). U.S. Treasury Secretary Lew, in testimony before Congress, put the available funds at $50 billion ($10 billion annually). Since Iran's oil industry is only one of many claimants on the frozen funds, including the natural gas industry, the Iranian military, Iran's proxy clients in Lebanon, the Gaza Strip, Syria, Iraq, and Yemen, the commercial aviation industry (replacing the passenger jet fleet), other industries, and the Iranian people, maybe it will receive 20 percent of the frozen funds, or between $2 and $4 billion annually.
  • For the sake of argument, $10 billion annually through 2020 from government budget resources, which is very generous given the share of crude export revenues this level of support would consume (see last row of above table), the demands from other Iranian claimants, and Zanganeh's data (investment fell from an average $20 annually in 2011 and 2012, when the OPEC basket crude averaged $107.46 and $109.45 per barrel respectively, to $6 billion in 2014, when it averaged $96.29, and virtually nothing this year, when it averaged $53.97 through August).
  • Perhaps $1-$1.5 billion as a one-time contribution from oil currently in storage.

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The possibility of direct military conflict between Iran on the one hand and Saudi Arabia and its Gulf Arab allies on the other is another factor. The two sides are already essentially at war indirectly in Yemen, Iraq, Lebanon, and Syria. Moreover, just the threat of direct military conflict or an increase in regional tensions is enough to cause foreigners anxiety.

The deal structure the Iranians will offer foreign companies-Hosseini described it as a "risk service contract"-will increase rather than mitigate risk. Given their lack of capital, the Iranians will be asking foreigners to bear the upfront investment burden in return for payment (cash and/or crude) in the (perhaps distant) future. Foreigners must take into account the possibility that negative changes in the internal and/or external environment will damage the value of their investment.

Foreign investors cannot be confident Iran's internal political dynamics will be conducive to foreign investment. Not all influential Iranians or Iranian interest groups (for example, the powerful Revolutionary Guards) welcome the nuclear agreement and détente with the United States and Europe. Should the balance of power tip in their favor-or further in their favor-foreign investments could face anything from unpleasant pressure to expropriation.

Moreover, absent a binding agreement within OPEC and between OPEC and Russia on production levels, Saudi and Gulf Arab production policies will threaten the value of foreign investment in the Iranian crude industry. Saudi Arabia's sustainable capacity is 2.5 mmbl/day more than its average 10.01 mmbl daily output in 1H 2015, while the UAE has announced plans to increase output 600,000 barrels per day in the next few years, and Kuwait by 1.4 mmbl/day by 2020.

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In Sum

While it is likely Iran will increase crude output once sanctions are lifted, it is possible that Iran will lack the domestic and foreign resources necessary to increase crude output to and over 4 mmbls/day by 2020. Absent a thaw in its relations with Saudi Arabia, the Gulf Arab states, and the West, higher and more stable crude prices, and initial positive experience for foreign companies in negotiating and implementing projects, it is more likely foreign investment will trickle into the Iranian energy industry than gush into it.

[Sep 02, 2015] Financial Sector To Cut Credit Supply Lines For Oil And Gas Industry By Nick Cunningham

Sep 02, 2015 | OilPrice.com

As time passes, more and more hedges are expiring, leaving oil companies fully exposed to the painfully low oil price environment. "A lot of these smaller guys who had bad balance sheets have pretty good hedge books through full-year 2015," Andrew Byrne, an analyst with IHS, told the Houston Chronicle. "You can't say that about 2016."

In fact, about one-fifth of North American production is hedged at a median price of $87.51 per barrel. Smaller companies rely much more heavily upon hedging as they are more vulnerable to price swings and are not diversified with downstream assets. Across the industry, IHS estimates that smaller companies had about half of their production hedged at a median oil price of $89.86 per barrel in 2015.

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More worrying for the oil and gas companies that are struggling to keep their lights on is the forthcoming credit redeterminations, which typically take place in April and September. Banks recalculate credit lines for drillers, using oil prices as a key determinant of an individual company's viability. With oil prices bouncing around near six-year lows, more companies will find themselves on the wrong side of that equation.

Banks were more lenient in April when oil prices were a bit higher and many analysts expected prices to rise. This time around the pain is mounting and there will be a lot less leeway. Somewhere around 10 to 15 percent credit offered to drillers could be cut back on average, a move that could slash $15 billion in credit capacity, according to CreditSights Inc.

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According to the FT, banking regulators are pushing banks to take a more conservative approach to their energy loans.

[Sep 02, 2015] ConocoPhillips Fires 10% Of Global Workforce, Warns Of Dramatic Downturn To Oil Industry

"...Sanford C. Bernstein, the Wall Street research company, calls the rapid increase in production costs "the dark side of the golden age of shale". In a recent analysis, it estimates that non-Opec marginal cost of production rose last year to $104.5 a barrel, up more than 13 per cent from $92.3 a barrel in 2011. "
Zero Hedge

...Houston based ConocoPhillips announce that the E&P giant is about to terminate 10%, or 1,800 people, of its global workforce, in the next several weeks as it copes with low oil prices.

As the Houston Chroncile's FuelFix blog writes, "Daren Beaudo, a company spokesman, confirmed that an internal communication was sent to employees earlier this week informing them of the upcoming staff reductions. Most of those affected workers will receive layoff notifications next month."

But don't worry: the great(ly fabricated) US jobs recovery myth will not be impaired: all these formerly highly-paid engineers, technicians, drillers and chemists will find minimum wage jobs flipping burgers at their local recently IPOed Shake Shack.


Publicus

Zerohedge logic: oil going up is bad for the economy, oil going down is bad for the economy.

While gold going up means you should buy more, and gold going down means you should buy more.

LOL

El Vaquero

That's because both are true. If oil is too expensive, people cannot afford to buy as much random crap in this "consumer economy," and if oil is too cheap, well, there's always the $550 billion in energy sector junk bonds floating around that aren't going to get repaid. This is the result of years upon years of economic manipulation.


Berspankme

El Vaq- that requires critical thinking

Winston Smith 2009

"that requires critical thinking"

Always, unfortunately, a very rare commodity... which explains why we're where we're at.

"Five percent of the people think, ten percent of the people think they think, and the other eighty-five percent would rather die than think." - Thomas A. Edison

Magooo

HIGH PRICED OIL DESTROYS GROWTH According to the OECD Economics Department and the International Monetary Fund Research Department, a sustained $10 per barrel increase in oil prices from $25 to $35 would result in the OECD as a whole losing 0.4% of GDP in the first and second years of higher prices. http://www.iea.org/textbase/npsum/high_oil04sum.pdf

HOW HIGH OIL PRICES WILL PERMANENTLY CAP ECONOMIC GROWTH For most of the last century, cheap oil powered global economic growth. But in the last decade, the price of oil production has quadrupled, and that shift will permanently shackle the growth potential of the world's economies. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2012-09-23/how-high-oil-prices-will-permanently-cap-economic-growth

THE END OF CHEAP OIL Global production of conventional oil will begin to decline sooner than most people think, probably within 10 years

Feb 14, 1998 |By Colin J. Campbell and Jean H. Laherrre http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-end-of-cheap-oil/

BUT WE NEED HIGH OIL PRICES: Marginal oil production costs are heading towards $100/barrel http://ftalphaville.ft.com/2012/05/02/983171/marginal-oil-production-costs-are-heading-towards-100barrel/

The marginal cost of the 50 largest oil and gas producers globally increased to US$92/bbl in 2011, an increase of 11% y-o-y and in-line with historical average CAGR growth. http://ftalphaville.ft.com/2012/05/02/983171/marginal-oil-production-costs-are-heading-towards-100barrel/

Steven Kopits from Douglas-Westwood said the productivity of new capital spending has fallen by a factor of five since 2000. "The vast majority of public oil and gas companies require oil prices of over $100 to achieve positive free cash flow under current capex and dividend programmes. Nearly half of the industry needs more than $120," he said http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/11024845/Oil-and-gas-company-debt-soars-to-danger-levels-to-cover-shortfall-in-cash.html

Sanford C. Bernstein, the Wall Street research company, calls the rapid increase in production costs "the dark side of the golden age of shale". In a recent analysis, it estimates that non-Opec marginal cost of production rose last year to $104.5 a barrel, up more than 13 per cent from $92.3 a barrel in 2011. http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/ec3bb622-c794-11e2-9c52-00144feab7de.html#axzz3T4sTXDB5

JustObserving

Obama's war on oil to hurt Russia and Iran having unintended consequences. Maybe he can drone short-sellers of US stocks

lehmen_sisters

Good paying oil workers going to get jobs at Chili's and Flingers....talk about a recovery! Drinks on me!

Magooo

THE PERFECT STORM (see p. 59 onwards)

The economy is a surplus energy equation, not a monetary one, and growth in output (and in the global population) since the Industrial Revolution has resulted from the harnessing of ever-greater quantities of energy.

But the critical relationship between energy production and the energy cost of extraction is now deteriorating so rapidly that the economy as we have known it for more than two centuries is beginning to unravel.

http://ftalphaville.ft.com/files/2013/01/Perfect-Storm-LR.pdf

crazybob369

ConocoPhillips Fires 10% Of Global Workforce, Warns Of "Dramatic Downturn" To Oil Industry

"Dramatic Downturn", really? These morons are in the energy business and they just figured this out now? Or, are they simply justifying the layoffs?

Jack Burton

the massive upcoming reserve liquidation (read Treasury selling) that is about to be unleashed as a result of the soaring dollar

Don't discount Russia in this treasury sell off. No they are not a player like China, but they have a roll to play, they were sitting on 350 billion dollars in FX if you believe some, of 450 billion to believe others. They have been bullsih gold for ages. But if China sells treasuries, Russia will continue to sell theirs also. The economic war on Russia is already worthy of WWIII, thus Russia should have only one goal, "To kick T-Bills in the balls when they get the most kick for their efforts."

America lives by the Dollar, prints it and buys a consumer bonanza, energy and the greatest military on earth. I suggest to you that fully 1/2 of that spending is deficit, money printing or T-Bill selling. China, Russia and Iran should likely do what they can to hurt the dollar, as the dollar is America's primary support, 1/2 our federal spending is borrowed.

johmack2

From magooo post, http://ftalphaville.ft.com/files/2013/01/Perfect-Storm-LR.pdf is highly recommend everyone read that report or have one of the tylers post it, very comprehensive report


[Sep 02, 2015] US Oil Production Nears Previous Peak

Sep 01, 2015 | Peak Oil Barrel
MarbleZeppelin, 09/01/2015 at 9:45 pm
Roads cost the US $155 billion dollars per year and that is a shortfall of what is needed to keep everything in good repair. So the cost of keeping the road system operable is similar to the cost of fuel to use it.
We need to find ways to minimize the amount of roads in the US and ways to make the necessary ones less expensive. I am sure a lot of energy is tied up in that $155 billion dollar figure.
Boomer II, 09/02/2015 at 11:26 am
It just occurred to me last night that while not intended, letting the roads and bridges fall apart is one way to deal with peak oil.

Where I live, there's been a lot of expanding and repairing roads. While some of it has been to add express lanes to encourage car pool and bus use, other parts of the work are just to add lanes to busy roads.

Some of us would rather the transportation budget be used for more trains, and that has happened in some places around here, but the focus is still on vehicle transportation.

Unlike my area, it appears that in other parts of the country there is no money to fix the roads. If, of course, you don't want more cars and trucks moving about, letting the roads fall into disrepair may make economic sense. Why keep pumping money into an infrastructure you may not need in the future?

MarbleZeppelin , 09/02/2015 at 2:46 pm
The trucks do account for significant damage to highways and roads. Road damage from one 18-wheeler is equivalent to 9600 cars. Freeze-Thaw, corrosion, erosion, and large temperature shifts are also culprits.
Fact is we need to get rid of a lot of the roads because even if all trucks were reduced in weight, there would still be significant cost to the public.
Truck weight damage:
http://archive.gao.gov/f0302/109884.pdf
Patrick, 08/30/2015 at 10:09 pm
"There will be substantial amounts of fossil fuels available to us for many decades to come."

1. How can you be so sure?
If Ron is right (http://peakoilbarrel.com/peak-oil-right-now/), global oil production will start declining soon. It will be double-squeezed due to the other phenomenon of Export Land Model (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Export_Land_Model). There is also the Energy Trap (http://physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/2011/10/the-energy-trap/). I personally think that assumption (MANY decades) way too optimistic. We will not have that "luxury".

2. To us, or to the U.S.?
When you write "us" I tend to include myself, European, in your "us". But I guess what you really meant was "you", the United States, am I right?

[Sep 02, 2015] West Texas Fracker Uses Toilet Water To Cut Cost By Michael McDonald

Sep 02, 2015 | OilPrice.com

Water costs in fracking are expensive, but most major firms including Pioneer have been working on improving efficiency on that front

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The firm looks set to buy water for around $6.33 per thousand gallons in the first year of the deal.

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...Pioneer will receive roughly 18 billion gallons of water (18 billion gallons * an average price per thousand gallon of about $6.75 = a total of $120 million) over the next 10 years. Since Pioneer would have had to get that water from somewhere else if it didn't get it from Odessa, the deal is the equivalent of annually freeing up about 16,000 gallons of water per person in the city of 110,000.

[Sep 01, 2015] No fundamental reason for oil's 'meltdown' energy analyst

China oil demand is growing modestly 3% a year, which is actually extremely fast for such a large economy. Moderation in China demands started long ago so this is no news. so what we are seeing is sentiment. Sentiment on all commodities is negative right now Capital investment in new oil development this year at least 25% globally and 50% in the USA. The next year it can be worse. Oil supply will eventually reflect this.

Worries about China and near-record production from OPEC and the U.S. have knocked oil prices below $40 a barrel. But the markets may have beaten up crude a little too much, according to one energy analyst.

[Sep 01, 2015] Some Day, We'll Look Back at This, and Laugh

Exemplary of The Guardian's forecasting where Russia is concerned – and The Guardian never met a Russian it didn't hate, unless they were an oligarch expat, a political dissident or a member of Pussy Riot – is this gem by The Guardian's "Economics Editor", Larry Elliott;"Russia Has Just Lost the Economic War With the West".

For those who don't remember when the west's economic war against Russia started, it actually kicked off with a skirmish, in which the USA stopped service in Russia to holders of Visa and Mastercard at certain sanctioned banks in Russia, back in the spring of 2014. Customers found that their cards did not work and their accounts were frozen. Russian media promptly pointed out that American credit-card companies "had a record of bowing to political decisions from Washington"; the government imposed a security deposit fee equal to two days worth of transactions in Russia, which would cost the companies $1.9 Billion (Visa) and $1 Billion (Mastercard), and Morgan-Stanley issued a report which suggested the two credit-card giants would be better off terminating their operations in Russia, where they together had 90% of market share. For his part, the Russian president announced that Russia would develop its own national payment system and greatly reduce its dependence on western credit-card companies.

It's hard for me to see that as a western victory. Visa and Mastercard squealed like pigs, Russia introduced a prototype domestic card (Mir) which Mastercard signed on to co-brand, and Mastercard and Visa both humbly signed on to Russia's national payment system, which moves processing to Russia. This results in a huge loss of financial control for the western-based cards, and a bigger one is coming when Russia introduces its national replacement for SWIFT, the Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication. Western regulatory authorities have long been accustomed to using SWIFT to read other countries' financial mail, and a few years back, the USA pressured the supposedly non-partisan system to shut out Iran. It's unlikely America would have tried that with Russia – especially since European courts ruled that it was illegal – but a couple of big-mouthed American senators started hollering for it to be done, and that was enough.

You would think Larry Elliott would have learned something from that, but it is apparent that he did not. He had all summer and autumn to form an assessment of how things were lining up, and he guessed wrong.

"The west knows all about the vulnerability of Russia's economy, its creaking factories and its over-reliance on the energy sector. When the introduction of sanctions over Russia's support for the separatists in Ukraine failed to bring Vladimir Putin to heel, the US and Saudi Arabia decided to hurt Russia by driving down oil prices. Both countries will face some collateral damage as a result – and this could be considerable in the case of the US shale sector – but both were prepared to take the risk on the grounds that Russia would suffer much more pain. This has proved to be true."

Is that so? Well, at least one insight in that passage was accurate – the damage caused to the U.S. shale industry was considerable. Have a look at this comical piece in The Economist, which is almost as big a failure at presenting the world as it actually is as The Guardian; the anonymous author hedges his analysis so hard that his regular reversals make the reader dizzy. Goodrich Petroleum's debts are six times the size of its market-value equity – but it says it has ample liquidity and may sell some stuff. At the start of 2015, it looked like the slaughter among the frackers would be horrific – but only 5 companies actually went bankrupt. The Saudis (treacherous dogs all) have failed to put Houston out of business – but big services companies such as Halliburton have fallen into losses and small ones are on life support.

Here's another, in which The Economist does not make the link: the United States has increased its oil production to 13% of global output – but it supplies only about half its own consumption. It puts a happy face on this by describing its increase in production as far larger than its increase in consumption. That is indeed a bit of good news, but the USA still consumes more daily oil output than something like the next four nations combined (figures are from 2011), and about 20% of the world's output.

The global economy is faltering as the World Bank lowers its projections for growth. Saudi Arabia, originally a partner in the effort to crush Russia's economy, has continued to flood a glutted oil market that is now oversupplied by 800,000 barrels per day, and shows no sign of letting up. Meanwhile, Saudi Arabia and Russia inked 6 new trade agreements in June, one of which will see Rosatom operate up to 16 nuclear reactors in Saudi Arabia.

The USA put its head together with its Saudi partners, and worked out a scheme whereby OPEC would administer a short, sharp shock to the energy markets which would tip Putin out of bed – colour revolution successful at last, America gets to pick a new government, we've got momentum, baby! But that's not the way it worked out at all. Who benefits from a weaker ruble? The resource exporters who are a main source of revenue for the Russian government. Putin remains as popular with Russians as he has been since his introduction to upper-echelon politics.

Meanwhile, in Europe, Russian sanctions coincided with perfect growing conditions and consequent overproduction to kick the British dairy industry in the slats. The Russian dairy market, by contrast, is surging, with some varieties of artisan goat cheese selling for $14.00 a pound at the supplier level. German cars and car parts exports to Russia fell more than 27% between January and August 2014. The Russian food ban is "a nightmare" for French farmers. Even mighty Apple saw its smartphone sales cut in half in 2014 – although, despite the crisis, Russian smartphone sales overall were up 39%. American car brands joined the plunge as car sales in Russia tanked; however, the ruble began to regain strength in the first quarter and was the best-performing of more than 170 currencies tracked by Bloomberg – bear in mind that this is in the face of deliberate efforts to force it down. The tumble in car sales slowed in July as government incentives began to have an effect – but the gains were all felt by Lada and Asian brands, and the only American car to even get on their scoreboard was the Chevrolet Cruze. Expect western brands across the board to continue to suffer, as market replacement continues apace.

Let us not gild the lily: the economic war against Russia hurt, and for a day or two there was reason for western optimism that their attempt to backstab Putin out of office would bear fruit. But it didn't, and Elliott's brainless rah-rah cheerleading for Washington was torpedoed by Russian resolve and resilience. The west now has the global opponent it thought it wanted, but market replacement and a rejection of western institutions within Russia signifies a decisive turning away from the west that will not easily be reversed, if ever. Vladimir Putin could run over a pensioner with his car on election day and still cruise to victory without breaking a sweat. None of the west's goals of economic warfare against Russia have been realized. Not one.

It's still too soon to say whether Russia will weather the storm Washington deliberately set in motion. But there is every reason to be optimistic if you are Russian, and no reason at all to be optimistic if you are one of Barack Obama's foreign-policy drones. And John Kerry might as well just run off a cliff, because he has been an even worse Secretary of State than Hillary Clinton was – a benchmark I did not ever think to see surpassed, never mind so quickly.

As a recent Russia Insider article warned, there's no surer way to lose the next war than to live in delusion about your own strength.

Oddlots, August 26, 2015 at 8:31 pm

Hard to pick a favourite line but I think mine is this: "Of course America makes mistakes – grievous ones, which are scrutinised sharply in its political system and media."

Comical. Errr… Haven't seen much evidence of that for quite awhile friend.

This guy barely has the intellectual ability to run a golf club though his prejudices would make him welcome in any of them.

Warren, August 27, 2015 at 3:55 am

Lucas is an odious sanctimonious hypocrite. He merely preaches to people who share his prejudices.

ucgsblog, August 24, 2015 at 6:48 pm

Just reread this:

"The west knows all about the vulnerability of Russia's economy, its creaking factories and its over-reliance on the energy sector. When the introduction of sanctions over Russia's support for the separatists in Ukraine failed to bring Vladimir Putin to heel, the US and Saudi Arabia decided to hurt Russia by driving down oil prices. Both countries will face some collateral damage as a result – and this could be considerable in the case of the US shale sector – but both were prepared to take the risk on the grounds that Russia would suffer much more pain. This has proved to be true."

Dang. Oh, oh. Where do I even start? First, I know a few US oil traders; they're in it for long term profit. They didn't want the risks and don't give two shits about Ukraine. It's why you don't see them lining up to donate to Ukraine. Second, in order to kill US shale, the Saudis drove down the price, after informing Russia of their actions. Third, it's not US shale that's currently driving up the prices, it's Saudi Arabia, and, yep, Russia. US shale is crying "uncle, uncle!" On top of this, the oil price effectively busted Obama's green energy legacy, or as a commentator said: "da, ne vezet cheburashke, ne vezet!" Student loans also busted his education legacy, he's going to be an all around failure. Ouch!

But none of what I said makes that comment stupid. Not a thing. What makes said comment absolutely asinine, is that by claiming that the Oil Wars were started by US and Saudi Arabia to hurt Russia, and by additionally claiming that said Oil Wars are continued to be ran by US and Saudi Arabia to hurt Russia, those idiots effectively gave Russia a powerful weapon to hurt the US financially, and because Obama got pwnd on the Iranian Deal, (Bob Gates' words, not mine,) the Saudis want to answer to Russia, which is why they're signing energy deals with Russia like there's no tomorrow.

To be absolutely blunt: the US media gave Putin a proverbial gun to shoot themselves with, while claiming that they're actually holding said gun to Putin's head. When the proverbial shot goes off, hilarity will ensue.

As if this wasn't enough, in order to keep US shale somehow functioning, low cost loans are being made, and the current demand is a must. Low cost loans will only work by keeping the interest rate at 0.1%. What does that mean? It means that the "poorly performing" Russo-Chinese currencies have done something that I thought would be impossible a few months ago: they checked the dollar's aggressive stance. Yes, the dollar is still a power to be reckoned with, but the US can no longer lead with the dollar; rather, the US must wait until Russia and China attack the dollar, which they won't do.

Furthermore, demand is dropping. Supply is increasing. US shale is slowly but surely going bankrupt. In order to prevent that, US must keep interest rates low, meaning that the dollar's effectiveness is checked, which, according to Elliot, is Obama holding a proverbial gun to Russia's head. As if this wasn't enough, there's still the potential Greek Switch, which could lead to the collapse of the Euro. Add the rise of Nationalist Parties in Europe, and you'll see the shift towards Russia, thus giving Putin the Lisbon to Vladivostok trade route. Combine that with the Silk Route, as well as India and Pakistan's dispute being solved peacefully by the SCO… do I really need to keep going here? And remember, according to Elliot, the US has the proverbial gun, so Putin better give Crimea back, pronto!


marknesop, August 24, 2015 at 9:17 pm

Certainly a much more optimistic forecast, what?? I wonder if Russia actually does know this, and it is calculated, or is it just a series of big dominoes falling over one by one? It's certainly true that Saudi Arabia and Russia are a lot chummier than you would expect, given that the former is supposed to be part of a deal to screw the latter. And you are correct that the further out on the limb U.S. shale goes to prove to the world that it's still unhurt, the further the drop will be when the fiction can't be maintained any longer.

I don't really wish the USA any harm – although I despise its government and more or less its entire political class – and I hope there's no collapse like that because it would hurt a lot of decent people who didn't do anything worse than believe in The American Dream. Not to mention our economic fate is inexorably tied to yours. But the global economy does appear to be unraveling – for the second time in our lives – right before our eyes. Whose economy is hurting, Mr. President?

That's a hell of an analysis. And it's always easier to spot a trend if you're looking for it. So let's see if you're right – if you are, you're a visionary, because nobody who feels they're authorized to talk about it sees a picture like that. I don't dispute that some in the back room see things starting to come apart, but of course they won't say that. Running panics the troops.

ucgsblog, August 25, 2015 at 6:31 pm

Thank you! Russia doesn't know this, but simply reacts in the best possible way possible. It's like racing a track for the first time, you don't know where it turns, but when it does, you do the best you can, and eventually, someone is going to have the record time, and someone else will ask: "did they know?" Nope, they simply adapted, and when it comes to resurging and adapting, Russia's numero uno.

In terms of US shale, it's not so much that it's going to collapse, but rather, that the capitalization of US shale will hold back the dollar. The problem with the US political class is rooted in the two party system, which reduces political debates to "my side yay, your side boo" type of arguments. These in turn rely more on messaging power, i.e. dollars, which enables those with the money to work the electoral college to play a hefty role in elections. If we simply abolished the electoral college… that'd be an improvement, but Republicans and Democrats jointly oppose that.

I'm coming from the trend that was first displayed when Russo-Chinese leaders called the SCO a "success beyond our wildest dreams". That's my perspective. It's hilarious to see others suggest that Russia and China will break apart, and even paid analysts are getting pissed off at the bullshit they have to write, which is why you get articles with "Russia is China's junior partner… Russia and China treat each other as equals…" where any analyst reading that knows that the writer was very pissed off at the editor.

As far as panicking the troops, the truth's that there's massive divestment from internationalism and more and more people are pushing for the Moneyball Model. By the time the rout hits, poor saps like Julia Ioffe will look around and go "waaa!" but no one will be there to defend them. And then those whom they fucked in the 1990s will have their vengeance in a trollish way. As for me, I'll be deciding which brand of popcorn to buy. We have more varieties in California than almost anywhere else, it's a tough, tough choice. BTW, I'm open to suggestions.

Guy, August 24, 2015 at 10:37 pm

Something i would like to add. There's one more point that i think everyone has overlooked. Fact that the US dollar is backed by other peoples traded oil means that the US is effectively relying on that traded oil to support it's currency. International trade, commodities and the shuffling of paper are what keeps the dollar afloat. If the price of oil drops by let's say $10, the demand for dollars to buy that oil also falls by $10 across the entire spectrum of the oil market. This amounts to a direct attack on the dollar price as if a country had dumped that many dollars. Now we're seeing Chinese trade slow down, also a reduction in demand for dollars, and the're going out of their way to defend their markets which also involves dumping of dollars.


ucgsblog, August 25, 2015 at 6:33 pm

Thank you! And you're right that both of those processes hurt the dollar; where we might disagree is a matter of scale. I think that it hurts the dollar slightly, akin to an artillery barrage to prevent a charge, but leaves the unit in cohesion. I'm unsure if you share that view, or if you think that it does extensive damage to the dollar/unit.

Guy, August 25, 2015 at 9:40 pm

Well if it really did do extensive damage on it's own would think that it would be more visible by now. I think the damage i not visible due to the fact that people won't necessarily dump their dollars just because they don't immediately need them to buy oil. But your analogy is absolutely correct. I think in the long term this will prevent the fed from printing too much more and facilitate de-dollarisation by freeing that capital up to be invested in other assets, perhaps not dollar denominated. It all depends on where the extra capital goes. If it goes back into more trade or assets that require dollars then there would be no effect. However on it's own the quantity that we're talking about is rather immense. This effect will become more pronounced when China opens up it's own gold and commodities exchange because this allows the freed up capital to be funneled elsewhere.

Regarding your views on the oil market i think you would be interested to read my analysis below. Ehhh.. it's somewhere down there, not sure how i can link to it. My views are that US shale will be allowed to die so that the companies can be bought up for penny's on the dollar by predatory hedge funds and restarted once the price rises again and the crash in oil prices is solely orchestrated by US banks which have the capital and leverage to short it on the paper market.

karl1haushofer, August 25, 2015 at 12:14 am

But generally low oil benefits the West (because they are net importers) and hurts Russia (because they are a major exporter). The losses in US shale industry is not a doomsday scenario for the US economy. The cheap imported oil more than compensates for that. The shale industry can always be restarted once the oil price goes up again (whether it happens in a year or after ten years).

Russian economy has always been dependent on oil prices though. The fall of Soviet economy started after the oil price collapsed in the 1980's. The two biggest GDP drops of Russian economy happened when the oil price bottomed in 2008-2009 and in 2015.

So the writer is right that low oil price hurts Russia while the West mainly benefits from it.

karl1haushofer, August 25, 2015 at 12:27 am

The biggest question for Russia is that if the period of low oil price lasts for a decade how can Russia cope with it. Easy oil money is not flowing to the economy anymore. Russia needs to find new (and harder, more difficult) ways to earn money and generate wealth. They have no other choice if they want to keep the country intact (since economically weak Russia would become an easier target for disintegration by the West).

Guy, August 25, 2015 at 12:45 am

It won't be priced low for decades. The cure for low oil prices is low oil prices. Eventually high cost suppliers will go bankrupt, keep in mind that countries such as Venezuela and even Saudi are struggling. The US most likely won't save it's shale producers. It will use this opportunity to cannibalism them and then yes restart production when oil prices have gone up, however this doesn't impact the fact that they will stop production in the short term, which is already putting hundreds and thousands of people out of jobs.

The recent hiccup by China saw $250billion wiped off the EU markets. Even if they go into a death spiral Russia is far less affected by this than the EU, US, Japan Etc… due to it's limited exposure to the global financial system. From what i can see THEY DEFINITELY WILL FOLD FIRST. IMO this also strengthens Russia's position vis a vis China.

Lastly no ones going to be sitting still and twiddling their thumbs for decades. While i do feel that more could be done in some sectors, the initiative is there to reorient the economy.

ucgsblog, August 25, 2015 at 6:41 pm

No one is saying that it's a doomsday scenario for either economy, but one has to look at the greater picture. If Putin was truly worried about the price of oil, he would've screwed over the Iranian Deal, which would've increased oil price. He didn't. It's more complex than a-good and b-bad.

Russia needs to divest from oil. Badly. The fall of the oil price is forcing the Russian economy to do that, when the Russian economy can take the damage. Think of it as having a great workout – yes, it'll hurt, but you need to go through the pain to make the gain. Russia needs the low price oil pain to divest. And Russia can take said pain.

Similarly, the US also needs more green energy development, but the low prices of oil is hurting said development. The US economy isn't recovering as fast as it should. So while Russia's hitting the gym, US is slouching around, if we are to use my comparison. Which one is going to be better off in the long term?

The Soviet Economy was stagnating, not falling. The USSR fell due to propaganda damage from within, not economic damage, i.e. the combination of Perestroika and Glasnost. The EU is repeating said mistake with Open Borders and Austerity.

As thus, the writer's right in the short term. But most analysts don't care about the short term. If we did, we'd be working in shorting stocks. We care about the long term, where the effect is the exact opposite.

That said, thank you for your responses Karl!

Warren, August 25, 2015 at 2:52 am

So How's That Economic War on Russia Faring? #Russia pic.twitter.com/KQVeVAwBHy

- Russia Insider (@RussiaInsider) August 24, 2015

Warren, August 25, 2015 at 2:55 am

Londongrad: TV comedy shows London through eyes of its Russian inhabitants

Russian comedy detective series centres around a 'fixing' agency set up to troubleshoot problems for rich Russians in London

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/21/londongrad-portrait-of-london-russian-inhabitants

[Aug 31, 2015] Ukraine Reignites - 1 Killed, 50 Injured After Grenade Attack On Parliament

Aug 31, 2015 | Zero Hedge
Amid the Ukraine government's vote for constitutional changes to give its eastern regions a special status (that it hopes will blunt their separatist drive) protests have turned deadly as RT reports 50 Ukrainian nation guards have been injured in a greande blast near parliament in Kiev.
  • *1 UKRAINE NATIONAL GUARDSMAN KILLED TODAY: INTERIOR MINISTER
  • *UKRAINE NATIONAL GUARDSMAN WAS SHOT DEAD, MINISTER AVAKOV SAYS

The clashes began earlier in the day...

Rada violence pic.twitter.com/P8nXRKxrvo

- Oliver Carroll (@olliecarroll) August 31, 2015

https://youtu.be/03v3nwJMyA0

Following, as Reuters reports, Ukraine's parliament on Monday voted for constitutional changes to give its eastern regions a special status that it hopes will blunt their separatist drive...

At a rowdy session, a total of 265 deputies voted in favor in the first reading of a "decentralization" bill, backed by President Petro Poroshenko's political bloc and his government - 39 more than that required to go through.

But many coalition allies, including former prime minister Yulia Tymoshenko, spoke against the changes and it is open to question whether Poroshenko will be able to whip up the necessary 300 votes for it to get through a second and final reading later this year.

Approval of legislation for special status for parts of Donetsk and Luhansk regions, which are largely controlled by Russian-backed separatists, is a major element of a peace agreement reached in Minsk, Belarus, in February.

Though a ceasefire is under pressure from sporadic shelling and shooting which government troops and rebels blame on each other, Western governments see the deal as holding out the best possible prospect for peace and are urging Ukraine to abide by the letter of the Minsk agreement.

But they have not turned deadly as a greande attack leaves 50 national guard injured...

At least 50 Special Forces troops have been injured during clashes in front of the parliament in Kiev, the Ukrainian National Guard said. Crowds of protesters came to oppose amendments to the constitution that would provide for decentralization of the country.

Tweets from journalists at the scene said supporters of the radical group Right Sector were brutally attacking police officers.

"A combat grenade has been thrown at the Ukrainian special forces. Some of the servicemen from [Ukraine] National Guard have been seriously injured. Their life is in danger," Anton Gerashchenko, an adviser to Kiev's Interior Ministry, wrote on his Facebook page.

Another video of the hostilities developing in Kiev:

https://youtu.be/rGciYFcVcaU

timeless21

soros must be mad

TeamDepends

It's blood sacrifice time, citizens. The lucies want chaos, and by Soros they are going to get it!

wesson

1.5 years ago, Same groups, same people, same organisation, same methods. But it was "freedom" and "the choice of European Union"

Latina Lover

Another country destroyed by the USSA, a CIA public works project, courtesy of Nudelman's Building Democracy (tm) in Ukraine project.

realmoney2015

There are always reasons for the war hawks to lead are young men into war. That's why we need a president in office that will uphold the Constitution. That means that he/she cannot take our country to war. Congress was given that power.

If only there was a candidate who actually stands for that and the rest of Constitution! Oh wait there is one candidate who does...

Latina Lover

My bet is on Azov and the Right Sector. The USSA needs to step up the game against Russia, thus Porky and the Rat must be retired in favor of the Ukie Lunatic Nazi fringe.

Latina Lover

Post communism, the Ukie Oligarchs claimed that by receiving privatized state assets for almost nothing, they would build a capitalist society similar to the US, bring prosperity, European values and modernity to all citizens of the Ukraine.

It was, of course, a big lie. The Ukraine is now the worlds worst performing economy over the last 24 years, with many Ukrainians looking back to the communist era with wistful eyes. The truth is that most Ukrainians lived better under communism than oligarchic/crony capitalism.

Enki Anu

It's funny, Newland's husband name is Kagan ( Khaghan ).
Khaghans were supreme leaders in Khazaria's destroyed Empire.
Destroyed by Vikings ( Russians ).

Sushi von Gestern

Rewind back two Shemitas...

"Two men posing as press photographers, one of them a former Israeli Colonel and Mossad agent, were arrested INSIDE the Mexican congress on October 10, 2001 armed with 9-mm pistols, nine grenades, explosives, three detonators, and 58 bullets, but were released following intense pressure from the Israeli Embassy. "We believe that the two Zionists terrorist were going to blow up the Mexican Congress. The second phase was to mobilize both the Mexican and US press to blame Osama bin Laden. Most likely then Mexico would declare war on Afghanistan as well, commit troops and all the oil it could spare to combat Islamic terrorism."

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/mex.html

JustObserving

I am sure demented "mass-murderer" Putin will get the blame even as the Nobel Prize Winner continues to drone women and children and wedding parties.

The war in Ukraine may explode at any point. Just as the Neocons wanted.

Latina Lover

Of course Russian agents were behind the attack...perfect false flag to declare war on Russia and ask for NATO's protection. Only problem is that the Eurowimps will definitely back out, and the USSA pro american Ukies will suffer another humiliating defeat. Anyone who thought they could beat Russia on her home turf deserves to eat the Nudelman cookies.

McCormick No. 9

The Ukraine is just a diversiinary tactic to distract Russia from Syria. The Iran nuke deal is designed to neutralize Iran while the CIA backed ISIS forces weaken Assad. In this crazy plan, the fanatcial ISIS forces will be defeated (after they defeat Assad) by moderate rebel forces. Yeah, right.

Wile-E-Coyote

Putin's passport will be found in perfect condition inside the grenade crater.

Vylahkinnen

Now I get it! That Polish Minister - what a smart man! He told us that Poland expected hundreds of thousands of refugees from the Ukraine. Now it makes perfect sense...yeah.

terry44

Well there's plenty of space there, half of the Poles have moved to England.

Vylahkinnen

I must admit that I never understood why they still call it England. Are there still English people around? Have you seen one? Don't worry. I won't come over. It's already such a crowded place. Density pop/km² = 262! I live as a mad hermit and I die as one.

beijing expat's picture

It's a marketing gimmick.

Freddie

+1

The Daily Mail had some more Putin hate yesterday. Putin would not let gangs of child molesters like Jimmy Saville exist in Russia. Jimmy Saville dies but no one in his gang of pedophile is arreested. This went on for decades with top people in govt and in power. CHILDREN. This also happenes in western Europe including Belgium. These f**Kers need to be put in wood chippers for harming children.

England has Islamic gangs of rapists attacking English CHILDREN and the English police do nothing.

Cameron, Milliband, Clegg - all stooges for the Red Shield and the City of London Satanists.

And these evil Satanic shits have the nerve to call Putin a monster. Putin and the Russians are (predominantly) Christians. The Bolsheviks were not. Same people in charge in Kiev.

Winston Churchill

Was the Reichstag badly damaged ?

silverer

Good excuse for the US to roll in more hardware.

OzViking

5 billion dollars spent on destabilizing Ukraine, the gift that keeps on giving.......................

TeamDepends

But we got the gold, which is worth way more than 5 billion digidollars.

SMC

Reads like a false flag. Cui Bono.

beijing expat

Headline should read "Poroshenko's Thugs in brutal crackdown on peaceful democracy protesters."

Insurrexion

Cui Bono is correct.

What about the fecking "Western" Separatists?"

Jorge Soros and Vicky "Cookie Snookums" Nudelman are on "The List" to receive the Ludovico Technique amongst other pantry pleasantries.

No worries my droogs...

Love, from the Lorova Milk Bar.

Alexa

shovelhead

Right Sektors "Hand Grenades for Peace" Program is working splendidly.

No "decentralization" and no special status for Eastern provinces.

"Vote right or good night" is the message sent from Vicky & Co. with love.

Wer're buying ALL of Ukraine...not just the broke-ass parts, and don't you forget it.

Latina Lover

I was wondering when you would show up, with your false flag BS. The good news is no one believes anything that comes from the Ukrainian ministry of Truth, ukies least of all.

BarkingCat

>>>> The good news is no one believes anything that comes from the Ukrainian ministry of Truth, ukies least of all.
<<<<<

Are you sure about that statement?
Have you ever been to Ukraine?

Let me give you a comparative example: how many people in the US believe what NBC, CBC, ABC CNN, MSNBC and Fox News tells them?
Yes Ukrainians, like most citizens of former Eastern Block countries are very skeptical, but the propaganda is thick and plenty gets through.
Russia is an easy target in most of those countries. People there do not draw a distinction between USSR and Russia.
...which is ironic, considering that at least 2 post WW2 leaders of the USSR came from Ukraine and
the most brutal one was a Georgian.

Latina Lover

The latest opinion polls in the Ukraine give Porky and the Rat single digit positive ratings, with most ukies rating corruption and a very badly perfoming economy more important than the civil war against Donbass.

22winmag

Ukraine never stopped burning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4jIASQzwXw&list=PLw613M86o5o5zqF6WJR8zu...

Mike Masr

Ukraine a Bloody Mess, Courtesy of Victoria Nuland

http://russia-insider.com/en/mess-nuland-made/ri8700

Yttrium Gold Nitrogen

I wonder whether they too will be deemed "peaceful protesters" as they were presented in 2013, or will Porky use force against them. Actually, I wonder what will happen next. Throwing a grenade can be characterized as an act of terrorism.

Will the so called "anti terrorist operation" expand to include Kiev too? What will Porky do now? He can't play it down, and yet using force against the so called "patriots" (= ukie nationalists/nazis) may not resonate well with the society, costing him vital support. I think he's ready to call Putin and ask him for advice :-) Yeah, Porky's between a rock and a hard place.

Latina Lover

l'll bet Porky is keeping his private jet fueled and ready to bug out to Tel Aviv.

Kina

Another creation of the CIA, a Ukrainian 'ISIS' gone rogue.


Mike Masr

What next after the neocon rape of Ukraine?

http://www.rt.com/op-edge/311635-ukraine-crimea-kiev-washington/

[Aug 31, 2015] Social netwrok reaction on event in front of Ukranian Parlament

Українська правда

У понеділок під Верховною Радою сталися сутички між силовиками та мітингувальниками, які вимагали не ухвалювати зміни до Конституції.

Після голосування парламенту, мітингувальники пішли штурмом на Раду і почали кидати димові шашки.

Потім хтось кинув у лави міліції і Нацгвардії бойову гранату.

Пусть вам мой пост покажется агрессивным или упадническим, но очень захотелось написать. Сегодняшнее голосование за изм...

Posted by Sevgil Musaieva-Borovyk on 31 августа 2015 г.

Пів години намагалися з Єгор Соболєв та Руслан Сидорович запобігти бійкам мітингувальників з нац. гвардією перед Верховн...

Posted by Семен Семенченко on 31 августа 2015 г.

Схоже, Олександр не зрозумів яка трагедія сталась сьогодні під стінами Верховної Ради. Дуже сподіваюсь що вбивця українс...

Posted by Sergiy Karazy on 31 августа 2015 г.

Я не удивлюсь, если некоторые депутаты пойдут митинговать под суд, где будут избирать меру пресечения террористу, сканди...

Posted by Сергій Лещенко on 31 августа 2015 г.

90 человек ранено, включая бойцов Нацгвардии, прошедших АТО. Насколько мне известно, представители партии "Свобода" пози...

Posted by Рычкова Татьяна on 31 августа 2015 г.

Міліція затримала близько 30 осіб, серед яких, начебто, і того, хто кинув гранату під Радою.

Про мавпу і гранату... Ще до початку активних сутичок перед Радою, в кулуарах мене журналісти запитали: навіщо підніма...

Posted by Віктор Чумак on 31 августа 2015 г.

Удивляться не стоит. Политики как играли в свои игры, так и играют. Взрыв - логичное следствие. Политическая игра, а страдают невиновные.

- Artur Orujaliev (@arturclancy) August 31, 2015

Навіть якщо гранату під ВР кинув не якийсь дурнуватий фанатик, а це була спланована провокація, ті політичні сили, що були там, мають нести відповідальність в першу чергу.

Posted by Дмитрий Ларин on 31 августа 2015 г.

Я была на митинге перед Радой с самого начала. Было несколько групп протестующих. Вкладчики с плакатами "Финансы и Кре...

Posted by Sevgil Musaieva-Borovyk on 31 августа 2015 г.

Завжди був проти будь-яких домовленостей з Москвою. Завжди вважав, що розраховувати на гнилу політику сучасної Європи не...

Posted by Дмитро Ярош on 31 августа 2015 г.

Граната под парламентом - это терроризм. Любая политическая сила, причастность которой к этим событиям будет доказана, д...

Posted by Mustafa Nayyem on 31 августа 2015 г.

!! Около 90 раненых под Радой в том числе несколько человек в тяжелом состоянии. Это результат брошенных нескольких взры...

Posted by Арсен Аваков on 31 августа 2015 г.

Те, що Аваков так оперативно "призначив винних", свідчить про одне – провокація була ним і спланована. Путінським шляхом...

Posted by Олег Тягнибок on 31 августа 2015 г.

Шановні політікі, не пишіть зараз, що вам шкода і ви невинні. Винні всі, хто організував, хто не врахував, хто не передб...

Posted by Ярина Боренько on 31 августа 2015 г.

Рознімали зараз разом Семен Семенченко бійки мітингувальників з міліцією.Рознімали і матюкалися.Ми захищали Парламен...

Posted by Єгор Соболєв on 31 августа 2015 г.

Я против внесения изменений в Конституцию. Категорически против. Я противник минских договорняков. Я не поддерживаю поли...

Posted by Юрий Касьянов on 31 августа 2015 г.

Если организаторы митинга не могут контролировать людей которых позвали - нах такие митинги и таких организаторов.

Posted by Михаил Ткач on 31 августа 2015 г.

Сутички під ВР

Posted by "Українська правда" on 31 августа 2015 г.

Политические силы, выводящие своих сторонников под Раду, должны понимать все последствия своих действий. В том числе, пр...

Posted by Тарас Березовец on 31 августа 2015 г.

Виродка який кинув бойову гранату в правоохоронців повинно бути знайдено й покарано. Це не політична боротьба, це тероризм. Свобода , за обставин, має бути зацікавлена в цьому найбільше.

Posted by Sergiy Karazy on 31 августа 2015 г.

Проглядається наперед спланований геббелівсько-кегебістський сценарій. Його складова частина - криваві провокації та зав...

Posted by Олег Ляшко on 31 августа 2015 г.

"Свобода" все більше доводить, що є партією вузьколобих мудаків. І якщо раніше вони були просто безтолковими, то зараз с...

Posted by Олег Шанковський on 31 августа 2015 г.

Бросили гранату дебилы и провокаторы, пытающиеся мирную акцию сделать немирной. Однозначно это недопустимо. Гранаты дол...

Posted by Олексій Гриценко on 31 августа 2015 г.

Те, що Аваков так оперативно "призначив винних", свідчить про одне – провокація була ним і спланована. Путінським шляхом...

Posted by Олег Тягнибок on 31 августа 2015 г.

Независимо от целей, которые стояли перед исполнителями провокации возле парламента – граната в качестве аргумента медве...

Posted by Андрей Демартино on 31 августа 2015 г.

Многие в ленте уже бросились проклинать митингующих - "придурки, дебилы, метают гранаты". Я бы не спешил делать выводы ...

Posted by Денис Казанский on 31 августа 2015 г.

_ABM_ _ 31.08.2015 17:21

После того, как "Свободу" прокатили в Верховну Раду Андрей Ильенко говорил: "Посмотри, как теперь будет выглядеть парламент без нашей фракции и не захотят ли украинцы опять получить "Свободу" в качестве инструмента для выполнения определенных заданий". Интересно какие такие "задания" он имел ввиду, уж не подрыв ли гранаты в толпе? Думаю, что такую "Свободу" украинцы не захотят иметь...

Відповісти | З цитатою

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Roman Martyniuk _ 31.08.2015 17:04

свободка давно вже показала своє справжнє неадекватне жадібне до грошей обличчя, косячи під неонацистів і продаючи землю у Львові і області. Чого тільки варті баньки тягнибакса і губи фаріонихи..

Відповісти | З цитатою

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Sergey Nemo _ 31.08.2015 16:50

пукало:
А що ти пропонуєш? Перевибори президента? Є кандидатура? Що так дратує свободу у змінах до Конституції? Що так дратує всіх інших? Як можна сьогодні таке витворяти?

Відповісти | З цитатою

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Анастасия Евтушенко _ 31.08.2015 16:49

полянин2013:

тебя расстрелять первого провокатора - ты ПС не трожь! Если бы не они - Путин уже в Варшаве был бы!

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полянин2013 _ 31.08.2015 16:37

Провокаторы Кремля - Правый Сектор , перешли уже межу. Это следовало ожидать, так как этим провокаторам прошло безнаказанно провокация 19 января 2014 г., на Грушевского. И пока их не пересадить или перестрелять, - ничего путнего в Украине не будет.

[Aug 31, 2015] Ukrainian guardsman killed in protests against vote on rebel autonomy

Guardianista with their classic British elite hypocrisy did not put this news on the front page... Real number of casualties is unclear. Initially five killed officer were reported by Ukrainian authorities. According to the Ukrainian National Guard about 50 officers sustained injuries.
Note how those neoliberal stooges report the grenade attack on police defending Parliament Building (clearly a terrorist act) which as attack on Parliament is worse then Charlie Hebdo attack in Paris: "A Reuters TV cameraman at the scene said several police officers were knocked off their feet by a grenade explosion."
Aug 31, 2015 | The Guardian

A Ukrainian national guardsman has died and many more have been injured in clashes with nationalist protesters outside parliament in Kiev, the interior minister said.

A Reuters TV cameraman at the scene said several police officers were knocked off their feet by a grenade explosion. Two officers were treated for wounds at the scene and there were pools of blood on the street, the cameraman said.

Clashes had erupted outside parliament in Kiev on Monday as politicians gave initial approval to constitutional changes granting more autonomy to pro-Russia separatists in eastern Ukraine.

The western-backed constitutional reforms are required under the terms of a peace deal signed in February, which called for Kiev to implement "decentralisation" by the end of this year. But critics have branded the reforms "un-Ukrainian".

A total of 265 politicians voted in favour of the reforms at a stormy session of parliament, with protests both inside and outside the buidling.

Dozens of demonstrators scuffled with police, Agence France-Presse journalists said. Protesters fired at least one grenade that sent up a cloud of black smoke outside the building. Teargas was used by both sides, an AFP correspondent said.

An adviser for the interior minister, Arsen Avakov, said one person had died. "A soldier from the National Guard has died of a gunshot wound in the heart," the adviser, Anton Gerashchenko, said. "Apart from using grenades, the provocateurs were using firearms, fired secretly."

The controversial reforms have been sought by Kiev's western allies, who see them as a way of trying to end the armed conflict in the east that has claimed more than 6,800 lives over the past 16 months.

The bill has sparked heated debate in Ukraine where opponents see it as an attempt to legalise the de facto rebel control of part of Ukraine's territory.

The reform bill grants more powers to regional and local politicians, including in the eastern areas currently under rebel control.

But contrary to separatists' expectations, it does not definitively hand the largely industrial eastern region the semi-autonomous status that the insurgents are seeking.

According to the text of the draft legislation, the region's status needs to be defined by a separate law.

Kiev and the west accuse Russia of backing the rebels militarily and deploying its troops to the conflict zone, claims that President Vladimir Putin and the Kremlin have repeatedly denied.

A group of Ukrainian politicians had earlier on Monday disrupted the parliament to block the vote on the constitutional reforms, which they condemned as "anti-Ukrainian" and "pro-Vladimir Putin".

Politicians from the Radical party – part of the pro-western coalition behind President Petro Poroshenko – had also blockaded the speaker's rostrum in an attempt to halt the crucial session.

Members of the extreme-right Pravy Sektor group blocked traffic outside the parliament, while several hundred activists from the nationalist party Svoboda rallied outside the building against the western-backed reform.

At the weekend, Poroshenko met politicians from the pro-presidential coalition who oppose the reform in an attempt to persuade them to change their minds.

[Aug 31, 2015] http://censor.net.ua/video_news/349901/vzryv_granaty_vozle_verhovnoyi_rady_video

This is the site controlled by Kolomoyski

censor.net.ua

Ukrainian man
UPD 15:00
Як повідомили Громадському у прес-службі ГУМВС в Києві, особу, яка кинула гранату у правоохоронців затримано.
UPD 14:50
Один із правоохоронців помер. Про це Громадському повідомив голова КМДА Віталій Кличко. Як стверджує джерело Громадського в МВС з місця подій, на місці вибухнуло дві гранати. За інформацією співрозмовника, гранати кинули протестувальники від "Свободи". Двоє правоохоронців у критичному стані.
ypetrm
"Около 90 раненых под Радой в том числе несколько человек в тяжелом состоянии. Это результат брошенных нескольких взрывных устройств со стороны людей в футболках партии "Свободы", устроившими драку с Нацгвардией под ВР. Источник: http://censor.net.ua/n349911"

Никакой пощады уродам, которые на акции несогласия с политикой власти убивают ни в чем неповинных сограждан.

ANTIkomment
Зачинщики драки под Радой - Тягнибок и Сиротюк? (ФОТО)

а от такі обличчя крупним планом тобі знайомі?
сподіваюсь що мову розумієш...

Игорь Сейшелов
видео как под верховной радой было столкновение

уже десятки ранены и 1 погиб, жесть...
http://kometanews.net/news/one/v_silovikov_pod_vr_brosili_bojevuju_granatu_desjatki_ranenyh_i_odin_pogib

Мисквамакус Кусакус
Это не ргд 5. Взрыв этой гранаты дает меньше дыма и дым черно-серый, а не белый. Про Ф-1 молчу, жертв было бы десятками. Что рвануло - х.з. Думаю самоделка с начинкой "очумелые ручки". Про гранату - погорячились. Хотя при воздействии ргд 5, мог быть подобный сценарий по раненным и убитому. Но думаю, что это не штатная граната-взрывное устройство.
Игорь Сейшелов
место после столкновений и новая драка под отелем "КИЕВ" - лужи крови и осколки
http://kometanews.net/news/one/mesto_stolknovenija_posle_vzryva_luzhi_krovi_i_oskolki_foto
Иван Карпов
Как вы уже заебали, ебаные майданутые твари!Идите нахер,на передовую, перед орками гавноросскими ,траяпаками своим помашите!!.,Косить всех нахер с пулемета,пока резиной ,потом если не поможет на боевые перейти!Взяли убили ни в чем не повинного, 24ех летнего парнишку!
Gera Kruger
Обращаюсь к киевлянам - будьте бдительны и внимательны сегодня на вечерних и ночных улицах города. Свободовские твари готовят несколько провокаций с целью "защиты своих "незаконно задержанных побратимов".
Не поддавайтесь на провокации - на кону стоит все. В бижайшее время против террориста Тягнибока будет возбуждено уголовное дело, а деятельность ВО Свобода будет запрещена.
Сама партия будет признана террористической.

http://censor.net.ua/photo_news/349932/tyagniboka_zasnyali_vo_vremya_primeneniya_sily_k_boyitsu_natsgvardii_fotoreportaj

Издание "Главком" обнародовало фотографии, на которых в первых рядах митингующих, которые пошли на правоохранителей, запечатлены Тягнибок и экс-нардеп от "Свободы" Юрий Сиротюк. При этом Сиротюк держит в руке дубинку.

Около полудня в понедельник митингующие попытались прорваться ближе к зданию парламента сквозь линию милиции. В ходе столкновения "свободовцы" вытащили из строя нескольких бойцов Национальной гвардии. Их позже избили. Спустя полтора часа, уже после голосования в Раде, митингующие бросили в правоохранителей взрывное устройство.

[Aug 31, 2015] Violent Protest Follows Kiev Vote on Autonomy for East Ukraine By ANDREW E. KRAMER

A grenade was thrown at police defending Parlament buiding. One person was killed, 125 were injured, 12 people are being operated on and one soldier is in deep coma. Doctors have refused to give any forecasts on the condition of another five people. Ukraine's Deputy Interior Minister Vasily Paskal, journalists of Ukrainian TV channel 5 and channel 1+1 as well as a French correspondent were also among the injured. According to the Ukrainian Health Ministry 21 people received gunshot wounds. One died. And look how NYT cover the event. Compare with coverage of Charlie Hebdo.

The results of a fiercely contested parliamentary vote over autonomy for eastern Ukraine were counted on Monday, partly in blood: 265 in favor, three major parties opposed and one dead policeman.

About 120 other officers were also wounded in an attack during a protest that intensified after Parliament approved a measure on constitutional changes that could grant autonomy to parts of the Luhansk and Donetsk regions.

The authorities said a man later identified as a member of a nationalist party had thrown a grenade at the police lines.


Old Nick, NYC

Shocking development -- Kievans hurting Kievans -- and can only give comfort to the enemies of Ukraine. The fallout from this remains to be seen.

In any event, leadership demands that legislation be better explained to the people; there is a good argument to be made for entirely abandoning the Eastern areas to their own devices, even to the Russian exchequer.

[Aug 31, 2015] Price of Oil Jumps Above $48 Per Barrel for WTI by Doug Madson

Daily violatility was over 13%.
August 31, 2015 | dakotafinancialnews.com

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Oil traders recently scared off due to an apparent glut of oil in the U.S. received good news on Monday.

The price of the dominant blend of North American oil jumped by close to 6% in a bit less than two hours on Monday. It was trading at $48 per barrel for the first time in nearly one month.

By midmorning on Monday, West Texas Intermediate's price was down slightly from its close on Friday or changing hands at approximately $43.75 a barrel. However, at that time the Energy Information Administration lowered forecasts for oil output in the U.S. The U.S. pumped over 9.3 million barrels daily of oil during June, about 100,000 less than what had been initially reported.

It was less than was churned out by the country in May, which was good news to the oil traders who were scared off due to the oil glut that has been seeing the world pump up to as much as 2 million more barrels per day that the overall world economy needs during this period of the year. All the excess oil that sits in storage tankers is what drove the price of oil per barrel down to $38 recently.

The new numbers by the EIA were sufficient to send WTI soaring in price to as much as $48 per barrel only two hours after the report had been released. Crude prices also were buoyed by an OPEC statement that suggested the oil cartel might be willing to reduce production until prices were to come back to levels that were higher.

Some traders had interpreted the statement as new evidence that the group, which is led by Saudi Arabia could be willing to turn the taps off in what is considered a meaningful way. Monday also is the last day of August, and the oil future contract often times has a volatile day during its last day of a particular month as the traders rush to settle positions prior to the activity of the previous month starting.

[Aug 31, 2015] Forget China Oil price main driver for market turmoil

The story that really matters right now is oil derivatives and hedges
"...Low oil prices have devastating effects on the financial sector that is involved in lending to the oil industry and in the trade of oil related derivatives. "
"...Many oil producers receive a fixed price for their oil as they covered their production with price insurance in the form of derivatives. With the current oil price, we just guess insurance providers paid out about 35 dollars a barrel to compensate the losses of the producers. Only for the US shale production this amounts roughly to 120 Million dollars a day. Somehow the financial sector has to cover these loses. "
"...The problem, as with everything, was the financialization of oil."
Aug 29, 2015 | GEFIRA

Commentators are linking the current market turmoil to problems in China. Our team sees the oil price as the main driver behind the market route. Low oil prices are positive for consumers and it will lower production costs for numerous industries. However it will also lower the investments in energy such as sustainable energy and oil producers will see their high profits turn into losses. Low oil prices have devastating effects on the financial sector that is involved in lending to the oil industry and in the trade of oil related derivatives. World oil production is about 90 million barrels a day, representing a cash flow of about nine billion dollars a day which comes down to three trillion dollars a year. With the oil price 40 to 50% lower, this flow is also cut by 40 to 50%. This amounts to 10% US GDP. Compare it with the 0.5% growth we are now missing in China, we prefer to keep our eyes on the oil price. These extreme moves can not be without consequence.

Many oil producers receive a fixed price for their oil as they covered their production with price insurance in the form of derivatives. With the current oil price, we just guess insurance providers paid out about 35 dollars a barrel to compensate the losses of the producers. Only for the US shale production this amounts roughly to 120 Million dollars a day. Somehow the financial sector has to cover these loses.

Comments from Zero Hedge
adr

The problem, as with everything, was the financialization of oil.

Had oil not been turned into the latest greatest leveraging scheme by Wall Street, it probably never would have gone north of $40 in the first place.

Rebalancing and true price discovery is needed. Oil needs to settle at $45 a barrel and allow this price to filter all the way through the supply chain. $45 still represents a 100% increase to the price of oil at the close of the 20th century.

The USA can have $1.65 gasoline. Shipping rates can come down and perhaps the economy can truly mend.

[Aug 30, 2015] Why The Great Petrodollar Unwind Could Be $2.5 Trillion4 Larger Than Anyone Thinks

"...The US has already destroyed Iraq, Lybia, and Syria to secure oil flows and ensure the dollar supremacy. Only Iraq cost them over 2 trillions, projected to go as high as 6 trillion over the next decades once veteran medical care and pensions are factored in, says Reuters. But according to ZH, they are somehow going to allow the Saudis to break the dollar regime as if it was a cheap plastic toy. They will just stand by and watch how their world domination project goes down the drain because of a small desert kingdom of 18 million people. How realistic is this scenario?"
Aug 30, 2015 | Zero Hedge
In short, China's FX management means that Beijing has joined the global USD asset liquidation party which was already gathering pace thanks to the unwind of the petrodollar system. To understand the implications, consider what BofAML said back in January:

During the oil-boom era, oil-exporters used oil earnings to finance imports of goods and services, and channeled a portion of surplus savings into foreign assets. 'Petrodollar' recycling has in turn helped boost global demand, liquidity and asset prices. With the current oil price rout, external and fiscal balances of oil exporters are undermined, and the threat of lower imports and repatriation of foreign assets is cause for concern.

Recycling of Asia-dollars might partly replace the recycling of petrodollars. Asian sovereign wealth funds ($2.8tn) account for about 39% of total sovereign wealth funds, and will likely see their size increase at a faster clip. Sovereign wealth funds of China (CIC & SAFE), Hong Kong (HKMA), Singapore (GIC & Temasek) and Korea (KIC) rank in the Top-15 globally

Yes, the "recycling of Asia-dollars might partly replace the recycling of petrodollars." Unless of course a large Asian country is suddenly forced to become a seller of USD assets and on a massive scale. In that case, not only would the recycling of Asian-dollars not replace petrodollar recycling, but the "Eastern liquidation" (so to speak) would simply add fuel to the fire - and a lot of it. That's precisely the dynamic that's about to play out.

A careful reading of the above from BofA also seems to suggest is that looking strictly at official FX reserves might underestimate the potential size of the petrodollar effect. Sure enough, a quick check across sellside desks turns up a Credit Suisse note on the "secular downtrend in EM reserves" which the bank says could easily be understated by focusing on official reserves.

First, note the big picture trends (especially Exhibit 2):

And further, here's why the scope of the unwind could be materially underestimated.

Taken into context, the year-to-date fall in EM reserves accounts for only 2% of the total stock of EM reserves. However, the change in the behavior of EM central banks from persistent buyers to now sellers of reserve assets carries important implications. Importantly, official reserves will likely underestimate the full scale of the reversal of oil exporters' "petrodollar" accumulation.

Crucially, for oil exporting nations, central bank official reserves likely underestimate the full scale of the reversal of oil exporters' "petrodollar" accumulation. This is because a substantial part of their oil proceeds has previously been placed in sovereign wealth funds (SWFs), which are not reported as FX reserves (with the notable exception of Russia, where they are counted as FX reserves).

  • Currently, oil exporting countries hold about $1.7trn of official reserves but as much as $4.3trn in SWF assets.
  • In the 2009-2014 period, oil exporters accumulated about $0.5trn in official reserves but as much as $1.8trn of SWF assets.

Now that the tide has turned, it is likely that not only official reserves drop but that SWF asset accumulation slows to nil or even reverses. SWF selling may be a slower process as assets tend to be less liquid, but the opportunity might still be taken to repatriate some investments, for instance to boost domestic rather than foreign infrastructure projects.

In other words, looking at the total amount of official reserves for oil exporters understates the potential for petrodollar draw downs by around $2.5 trillion. Now obviously, it's unlikely that exporters will exhaust the entirety of their SWFs. Having said that, the fact that EM FX reserve accumulation turned negative for the first time in history during Q2 underscores how quickly the tide can turn and how sharp reversals can be. If one fails to at least consider the SWF angle then the effect is to underestimate the worst case scenario by $2.5 trillion, and if 2008 taught us anything, it's that failing to understand just how bad things can get leaves everyone unprepared for the fallout in the event the situation actually does deteriorate meaningfully.

So that's the big picture. In other words, the above is a discussion of the pressure on accumulated petrodollar investments and is an attempt to show that the pool of assets that could, in a pinch, be sold off to finance things like massive budget deficits (Saudi Arabia, for instance, is staring down a fiscal deficit that amounts to 20% of GDP) is likely being underestimated by those who narrowly focus on official reserves. Switching gears briefly to consider what $50 crude means for the flow of petrodollars (i.e. what's coming in), RBS' Alberto Gallo has the numbers:

If petroleum prices continue in to year end at their current YtD average ($52), this would represent a 60% decline in Petrodollar generated in 2015 vs between 2011 and 2014. Assuming that 30% of gross Petrodollars generated per year are invested in financial markets, this would imply $288bn ready for investments in 2015 vs a $726bn average between 2011 and 2014. Lower purchasing power from oil-exporting countries may in turn reduce demand for $-denominated fixed income assets, including $ IG and $ HY. US IG and HY firms have issued $918bn and $220bn YtD, which in total marks a record-high vs past years.

And while all of this may seem complex, it's actually quite simple: less petrodollars coming in without a commensurate reduction in what's going out means the difference has to be made up somewhere and that somewhere is in the sale of USD reserve assets which are prone to being understated if one looks only at official FX reserves. Contrast this with the status quo which for years has been more petrodollars coming in than what's going out (in terms of expenditures) with the balance being reinvested in USD assets.

Simplifying even further: the virtuous circle (for the dollar and for USD assets) has not only been broken, but it's now starting to reverse itself and the potential scope of that reversal must take into account SWF assets.

Where we go from here is an open question, but what's clear from the above is that between China's FX reserve drawdowns in defense of the yuan and the dramatic decrease in petrodollar flow, the self-feeding loop that's sustained the dollar and propped up USD assets is now definitively broken and we are only beginning to understand the consequences.

JustObserving

Obama's plan to attack Putin by crashing oil prices is backfiring. But then Obama has failed at everything but killing brown people and defending the NSA/CIA infinte spying on the American people and signing NDAA.

Forward

Think about how the Obama administration sees the state of the world. It wants Tehran to come to heel over its nuclear programme. It wants Vladimir Putin to back off in eastern Ukraine. But after recent experiences in Iraq and Afghanistan, the White House has no desire to put American boots on the ground. Instead, with the help of its Saudi ally, Washington is trying to drive down the oil price by flooding an already weak market with crude. As the Russians and the Iranians are heavily dependent on oil exports, the assumption is that they will become easier to deal with.

John Kerry, the US secretary of state, allegedly struck a deal with King Abdullah in September under which the Saudis would sell crude at below the prevailing market price. That would help explain why the price has been falling at a time when, given the turmoil in Iraq and Syria caused by Islamic State, it would normally have been rising.

http://www.theguardian.com/business/economics-blog/2014/nov/09/us-iran-r...

CaptainAmerika

An empire founded by war has to maintain itself by war
http://www.philiacband.com/propaganda.html

johngaltfla

Nicely done Tyler. And the funny part is all the nations stupid enough to buy and peg reserves to the USD which will get destroyed in the process. When Singapore and Hong Kong de-peg, it is over boys and girls.

Son of Captain Nemo

And what a fine strategy it is?...

Create massive over capacity to the market by looting the hell out of every other ME country's reserves (which has been non-stop since 9/11) to destroy Russia and Iran's revenue "party" which everyone by now knows was the objective 14 years ago... Trouble is according to the town crier of the Aspen Institute General "Let's start a nuclear war over an airport in the Balkans"... It was only supposed to take 5 years and ended up taking much longer and at a much more exorbitant price than was previously anticipated!

That "overcapacity" can be systematically fucked in a major way... Sabotage to those reserves comes to mind and will be the perfect segue for either side in the event the Anglo-American team decides to get another "wild hair up it's ass"to put it's helmet back on again only this time for the last major ass kicking unlike any they have ever had before!!!

I guess for the truly delusional and criminally insane it's a fun way to end both the party and your life!

Trouble with this behavior is that the rest of the 99% probably don't see it this way?!!!

Jack Burton

Always good posts Captain Nemo! The Iranians have said that should Israel, the USA or Saudi Arabia participate in an attack on Iran, then Saudi oil fields would see a hail of missiles arrive on refineries, Shipping facilities , key pipeline junctions. Iran has build crusise and ballistic missiles to spread their attack around both low altituded and high altitude. So YES, IF the USA plays it's cards Too hard, Iran will burn the fucking Saudi Oil.

Russia, while still bending over backwards to please the EU, can be counted on to burn some Saudi Oil if need be. Russia has till now been peaceful. But they might just begin to fund their own favorite anti Saudi groups! Then things will change fast.

Bluntly Put

Just guessing, but it seems to me the fed doesn't print currency directly, they issue credit, reserves at least in loans. I agree when they monetize debt like buying MBS they are essentially printing money, but what if they sold those assets?

So, some of their actions result in hot currency, while other actions are more related to the interdependent network of banks as capital flows related to interest and principle payments on outstanding loans/bonds/debt.

If all those channels get mucked up, then liquidity freezes and you get a credit crisis. If the fed actually just printed money it would retain it's value however much that value might drop over time and depreciation via debasement.

Son of Captain Nemo

Good points BP

The problem is we know how derivatives laden those "assets" are, especially with respect to paper vs. physical in the COMEX.

Suffice it to say eventually the "Emperor" will default what is underneath the "kimono"...And when he does the ladies (shall we say) will be disappointed!

cherry picker

Everything is so convoluted I don't understand it. Maybe it is designed that way so main street can't see it.

I can understand shipping tonnages dropping, means less goods bought and sold.

I can understand selling oil at margins to kill off competition.

I can understand China selling Treasuries to either bolster their finances or to "pay' back the USA for 2008 and sticking their noses in the South China Sea.

I can understand tax revenues going down among other recession/depression indicators as people have no money, affecting business, labor markets and so on.

I don't understand at all how this 'reserve currency' stuff will play out and the above post really does not clarify it in my mind.

DanDaley

I don't understand at all how this 'reserve currency' stuff will play out and the above post really does not clarify it in my mind.

I think of it like this:

As other countries decide that they prefer something other than dollars for trade settlements, all of those FRNs sitting in foreign banks (estimated to be several trillions) will make their way home. When they do, you get big-time inflation.

Also, when noone overseas wants to take dollars any more for payment, then our we have less cheap stuff...our standard of living takes a nose-dive. Everything that you need or want becomes more expensive and harder (or impossible) to obtain.

There are going to be a lot of surprised and unhappy muppets out there, and none of them will have the faintest clue of what went wrong.

Winston Churchill

Missing a big piece of the puzzle here Tyler.A very big piece.

$14tn in shadow banking 'assets'.

Some is within the Venn intersection, but how much ?

The elephant sitting in the room.

Urban Redneck

Counter parties, custody chains, leverage and capitalization ratios... at this point, what difference does it make?

Urban Redneck

After MF Global blew up, I stepped up my atypically thorough and anal due diligence to full retard. I discovered that the physical certificates for JBSICA I own through through a US trust with a US account at EuroPac are sitting in a vault at ShitiBank in London! I couldn't find any documentation of the custodial relationship between the two entities even after going though mountains of account/fund paperwork and corporate disclosures and filings. Ratscam tested taking physical delivery of JBSICA here in Switzerland a while back and I have friends at Julius Baer who can do everything short of breaking Swiss law to reissue certificates... But if this thing actually blows up, it won't make any difference, there's simply too much interdependence and complexity to reverse direction if it starts gaining momentum. Midnight harvesting of yesteryear's midnight gardening and wreck diving past boating accidents will be about it.

Hope your lawyer didn't bill you too much and only confirm what you already knew.

AC_Doctor

What do you think King Salman is going to say to Obozo, when he visits next week?

A. We are going to start taking Yuan for payment of crude

B. We are going to start liquidating US Treasurys like our buds the Chinese

C. Both A & B and Oboza doesn't get a reach around

Aaron Hillel

Obamas handler will answer *well, my dear king, look out to the sea, do you see the MAU cruising out there, and that? oh thats just a carrier group, nothing to be afraid of, its for your protection.Of course, if they ever land on your hallowed shores, they could install a TrueDemocracy(c) in here and what would you do then?So, what were you saying?*

The rotten house of Sa'ud is as much puppet of Washington-TelAviv axis as Merkel or Hollande, perhaps more.

JD59

Bath house Barry is sending the U.S. Carrier Group back home, no more on station in the Persian Gulf.

wrs1

What are they going to buy with Yuan? If so, wasn't it utterly stupid to dump crude at way below market for $ they didn't want anymore? Seems really, really unlikely that your scenario in anyway connects wth their previous actions. Will they sell other assets before Treasuries to get $? You bet and the first thing on the list is stocks and HY bonds no doubt.

lasvegaspersona

The flow of surplus oil revenues reversing course does not surprise me. What does is the quantities. We are talking about a few trillion probably over a few years. That is a lot but compared to the 16 trillion in currency swaps and other dollar movement the Fed is said to have engaged in during the 2008 to 2009 period it is trivial.

I'm thinking that if the Fed could play hide the weiner with 16 trillion or so they can probably pull this off.

The difference of course is that then the money was probably used to buy worthless assets to prevent global deflationary collapse.

This time it will be dollars hitting the international currency market and being spent into the economy.

16 trillion protecting bad assets did not change the number of dollars being spent. A few trillion affecting prices at the margin...that could be an inflationary force to be reconned with.

cherry picker

It is humorous to note that the words "In God We Trust" are printed on the greenback.

Does that mean "In God We Trust" is only true if there is money?

If there is no money you can't trust "God" anymore?

A few decades ago all the evangelicals were always crying for donations to help with "God's Work" and Goldman Sach's states it is doing "God's" work too.

I think that may be a problem for many. They may feel God can't do anything without money, which strips the divine out of the "God" belief, doesn't it?

For many, God is the big financier in the sky :)

VW Nerd

A few years ago, the Social Security fund went into the negative also, meaning that extra revenue used to mask the Federal deficit was gone. I'm thinking that between these two major changes, the American way of life (social and economic) might experience some profound changes going forward. Much more than we've witnessed thus far.

Also, for decades the petrodollar monopoly has been used by USG, Wall St. and Corp. USA as a political and economic weapon, fomenting hatred toward the US. The only ones who don't get this are the American public. They keep believing "they hate us for our freedom".

Glorious Kataifi

I agree. The US has already destroyed Iraq, Lybia, and Syria to secure oil flows and ensure the dollar supremacy. Only Iraq cost them over 2 trillions, projected to go as high as 6 trillion over the next decades once veteran medical care and pensions are factored in, says Reuters.

But according to ZH, they are somehow going to allow the Saudis to break the dollar regime as if it was a cheap plastic toy. They will just stand by and watch how their world domination project goes down the drain because of a small desert kingdom of 18 million people. How realistic is this scenario?

Whatever the game is, the US elites are certainly running it. At least that's my two pennies.


[Aug 30, 2015] The Abyss Looks Back: Europe's Phenomenal Arrogance

Aug 25, 2015 | marknesop.wordpress.com
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On Europe's Phenomenal Arrogance

A lot of august bodies have decided to share their thoughts on the current vis-à-vis between Russia and what is colloquially known as "the West". Most of such "musings" inevitably touches the subject of the current situation in Ukraine, due to it's being a "hotspot" in the bilateral relations. Most often we are graced by some strongly worded opinions from the veritable Legion of the Free and Independent Western press (), or it might be even a Deep and Thorough Analysis by this or that think-tank, NGO or research facility, sharing with the hoi-poloi of the world their convoluted (and, therefore, unquestionably true) findings on the nature of things they probably didn't even have any previous personal contact with.

And then we have something… anomalous. And huge. I'm talking here about a report (well, "commentary", to be precise) of the European Council on Foreign Relations, a rather self- explanatory name for an organization.

The Limits and Necessity of Europe's Russia Sanctions

The picture below the title of the article shows Moscow's Kremlin and the snow-covered streets of Moscow. Because –apparently! – it is always gloomy and snowy in Russia. How you gonna argue with such a paragon of Western objectivity on Russia's portrayal as the Independence Day movie, where there is snow in Russia in July?!

You might say that I'm too nitpicky. Honestly, I'll cease and desist the very moment the West stops this kind of petty manipulation of public perception of my country.

The article from the very beginning says what it's about:

To get a clearer understanding of the situation it might be useful to start from the other end – not to ask if the sanctions work, but to first look at the nature of Europe's problem with Russia and ask what it would take to fix it, or even whether it can be fixed by the West at all. That will allow us to see what role the sanctions can play in remedying the problem – and what the things that sanctions cannot accomplish are.

In short – this article is about judging Russia by the esteemed people of the EUrocracy, and determining – is it worthy of their "mercy". The author asks her audience,

"Do we want Russia to leave Donbas? Give back Crimea? Do we expect a regime change in Moscow? Or do we want Russia to start behaving "as a normal European country," i.e. one that tries to base its influence on attraction rather than coercion?"

with the straightest face possible. Suddenly, Russia became an object of EU decisions, as if Russia now is a member of the EU (it isn't) or that the EU is some super strong, unified world power capable of really compelling Russia to do it's bidding (again – nope).

Unfortunately, what follows is the author's opinion on "the nature of our Russian problem". The author had a mighty lot of predecessors willing to find a "final solution" for the "Russian problem". This particular individual, elevated well above her station by the simple fact that she writes for the ECFR, does the most "professional" thing possible – goes full ad hominem not only against Russian president Vladimir Putin (KGB reference included), but to the Russian people as well. You see, for the author of this "commentary", Russians are just "rent-seeking clients" mobilized against "enemy figures – real or imaginary". The Russian system of education (in the Soviet era, second to none – now "thankfully" reformed by the West worshiping "democrats") plus "the state-centric way history and international relations are taught at Russian schools and universities" has contributed to the fact that the EU is "having problems" with Russia.

As a person educated in Russia by the Russian system of education (including Higher Education) I can say that this kind of claim is inaccurate. In the Moscow State University (aka "Lomonosov's") our professors took a lot of effort to drive us to the "multi-vector approach" of the history and historiography, taught us of many existing schools of thoughts and research. No one indoctrinated gentle young souls into some Putin-worshiping cult. I can safely claim, from personal experience, that I was educated from a plethora of historical textbooks – including extremely "handshakable" ones, both in school (state run) and at the Uni. Still, I am who I am despite (and thanks) to everything that I've learned earlier. So, basically implying that the Russian state is "brainwashing" youngsters in the state-run higher education institutions is a big fat lie. One only need to look at MSU's (of Lomonosov) Journalism department to see teeming masses of "handshakables" and "not-living-by-the-lie-ers" in the making.

But the article is actually right in one regard – it admits the vast abyss that exists now between the Western perception of the current situation and the Russian one. The author is even sufficiently capable to articulate it correctly:

What makes the current standoff so tense and dangerous is not the reach of Russia's territorial ambitions, as many suggest, but vice versa – the limited nature of them, and its psychological implications. Moscow sees itself as having given up everything: it has left Central Europe, it has left the Baltic States, not to mention Cuba, Africa and the Middle East, but now the West seems intent on 'taking' the last little bit that was left – 'brotherly' Ukraine. Of course Moscow takes it emotionally and tries to fight back.

But then, as tradition dictates, the author allows her own ideological bias to distort the rest of the narrative in what might have become an honest attempt to look at the current problem from both sides' perspective:

The countries in Russia's neighbourhood – in what one can call the Eastern Partnership area – received their independence semi-accidentally in 1991, when it was promptly hijacked by corrupt elites. Now, their societies are starting to mature and demand better governance, rule of law and more say over their countries' futures. This manifests in a bumpy, but inevitable evolutionary process that the EU did not launch and does not control, but cannot do anything other than support. Moscow, on the other hand, is fixated on the elites it can control – and therefore bound to resist it. The clash is systemic, and likely to manifest repeatedly as long as the fundamentals remain unchanged.

Calling the multitude of processes that in the end resulted in the dissolution of the USSR "a semi-accident" is an admission of one's ignorance about the history of every single country of the so-called "Eastern Partnership area". The author also fails to mention that "societies" (the author obviously likes this term as much as she despises the term "the people") in some of these countries indeed have found an answer how to reach a "better governance, rule of law and more say over their countries' futures". One only has to look at Belarus, Armenia and Azerbaijan. And let's not forget that Russia itself was "promptly hijacked by corrupt elites". And what the EU "did not launch… but cannot do anything other than support" were the forces inimical to these governments, which managed, indeed, to bring better governance, rule of law (which was non-existent before) and more say over their countries' futures (that's it – they will have more say about it, not some "advisers" from Brussels or Washington).

And then the article lists all the reasons why the West won't reach any agreement with Russia. The EU will continue to do what it pleases, not giving a damn about Russian concerns over "spheres of influence" because of "the OSCE charter, the principles of the Council of Europe, the founding documents of the EU and NATO and so forth"- even despite the fact that some members of Russia's elite are indeed ready to strike a deal with them. This sort of sincerity is kinda refreshing, I must say. When a person speaking on behalf of the West freely admits that they don't care about Russia's opinion at all, that any real equal dialog is pointless, this sounds both arrogantly prideful and refreshingly new.

But the article also discusses some methods to "fix the Russian problem"! Once again, I'm reminded of some other high-ranking citizens of the "United Europe" of old, who had similar plans. But the new generation is much, much more merciful to the undeserving "lessers":

Ideally, Europe would want to live next to a Russia that shares if not our values, then at least some of our interests, and uses attractiveness, rather than coercion to win allies and make itself influential. Some experts suggest that to achieve that, we need a regime change in Russia. This would be true if our Russia-problem was rooted solely in the personality of Putin and the nature of his regime – but this is probably not the case. Russia's dominance-fixated mindset has survived multiple regime changes…

What is needed, therefore, is something much more complicated: Russia's sincere and extensive rethink of the means and ends of its international behaviour. This is closer to an identity change, than to a regime change. And a lot trickier. While such things have happened in history, the circumstances that bring them about are generally unpredictable and tend to vary greatly – which means that this is not something that outsiders can easily bring about, and achieve a desired outcome.

One of the biggest reasons why Russians resisted so fiercely (and why the common people's memory preserved it through generations) the many-faced West is because of its desire to "re-make" and "re-model" Russia into forms more suitable to the West. Numerous nomads from the East were up to the usual stuff – pillage, burning, slave taking. But they've never dictated to the Russians how they should rule themselves or how they must worship. Only the West did it and by doing it have forever earned the special degree of distrust – confirmed once again by this "commentary" of the EU institution, not intended to be read by Russian "savages" at all. While the author generously admits that "perhaps" Russia doesn't warrant a "regime change" (which, you must understand, is sort of a norm for the Free and Democratic West – i.e. changing legally elected "regimes" for fun and profit) in Russia, she still argues for an "ideal" Russia without an independent foreign policy; she is arguing for Russia surrendering its security and economical concerns in the name of "appealing to Europe". Oh, and she also dreams of a Russia which abandons any thoughts of allying itself with China because the EU are the good guys, and China is a "meanie".

The article is a true hodge-podge of some brilliant epiphanies (for a typical westerner) – when, say, the author argues that the West's blind support or Yeltsin in 1996 in face of the possible "communist revival" has been unwarranted and even harmful. But then, unfortunately, the author decides to touch upon the subject of Western sanctions, and here we might glimpse the true attitude of "what it's all about" concerning them:

This implies a wider strategy that consists of boosting the security of the vulnerable EU and NATO members, defending the independence and sovereignty of the EaP countries, and keeping sanctions until the conditions for lifting them – implementations of the Minsk agreements or settlement of the Crimea issue – are fulfilled…

… It is good that the sanctions are linked to concrete demands – return of Crimea and fulfilment of the Minsk agreements. This provides a relatively clear conditionality that Europe needs to stick to. While the Crimea-related sanctions will probably remain in place for the foreseeable future, as a settlement of the issue is not on the horizon, the Minsk agreements are supposed to be implemented by the end of the year.

This is very notable, because in just a few paragraphs a person close to the EU analytical stuff (at least) admits that:

  1. Russia MUST "return" Crimea to Ukraine
  1. b) Russia will be held personally accountable for any failures in implementation of Minsk agreement.

And despite the fact that the author tries to distract us with all her flowery words about "one does not need to make sanctions a 'barometer' of Russian behaviour in Ukraine" (because, As Everybody Knows It () – "Russia is waging a war on the territory in the territory of Ukraine, and about Zero percent of locals actual contribute to it"), while demanding that the EU's policy " must consist of a refusal to roll back sanctions before Ukraine has gained full control of its eastern border". In short – the current Kiev government can do nothing regarding their responsibilities according to the Minsk-2 accord (with the blessing of the EU, it's implied), but Russia must be held responsible for EVERYTHING. And be sanctioned appropriately, should it falter in its duties. After all, "sanctions should be a slow squeeze that gradually reduces Russia's freedom of manoeuvre and thereby reminds it of its misdeeds and Europe's displeasure."

The conclusion of the article, despite the absence of any bellicose terms, reads (at least for me) as a declaration of War against Russia:

Europe needs to be aware that our problem with Russia is long-term and multi-layered. It is clear that the sanctions are not a miracle cure to fix it all, but they need to be a small part of a bigger strategy. They are instrumental in restoring our credibility and possibly fixing a few near- or medium term goals. Getting that right, however, is important, as credibility is something Europe badly needs if it wants to influence processes in the future. Hence the necessity of sanctions – despite all their limits.

Actually, the majority of politically aware Russians won't find anything "revelatory" in this article. It's been a "Punchinello's Secret" that the EU will always skew more on the side of regime in Kiev while reviewing the "fulfillment" of the Minsk-2 resolution. The Official EU (as opposed to its individual members) will always see Russia as an aggressor and the guilty party by default. While the talks about "possible cancellation of sanctions" remain a sort of tasty carrot for some people (especially for some too eager to sell Crimea for a batch of the "true" Italian Mozzarella cheese), the fact remains – the EU will renew its sanctions against Russian at the end of 2015, no matter what.

The sheer gall of claiming that "…Europe would want to live next to a Russia that shares if not our values, then at least some of our interests, and uses attractiveness, rather than coercion to win allies and make itself influential" is astonishing. Since when did the so-called "United Europe" abandon the use of "coercion to win allies and make itself influential"? What has happened to the collective memory of the Enlightened Western Public () (Totally Entitled to Its Own Opinion Even Without Knowing A Thing) about the events that preceded the bloody coup d'etat in Kiev on February 22, 2014?

But, despite all its flaws, I actually like these kinds of "anomalous articles" that sometimes grace the pages of the Free and Independent Western Press (). First of all – some admissions here signify that the so-called analysts in the West are not brain-dead and that they can still understand and articulate some basic things about Russia's perspective, in the language probably accessible to the vast majority of their target audience. Second – the article is refreshingly honest about the West's goals and objectives in the conflict with Russia.

Yes, there is some flowery prose here, but the core imperatives are hard to miss. And, yes, I'm using the term "the West" in rather broad definition here. Despite their best attempts to conceal this, it's rather obvious for anyone with a functioning brain that the EU sanctions against Russia applied (as they claim) due to "the unlawful annexation of Crimea", "support of militants in the Ukrainian East" or "Russia's as yet unconfirmed (but we are counting on it anyway!) complicity in the downing of MH17" have nothing to do with any point of the Minsk-2 agreement. In fact, right after the signing of this treaty, the EU decided to prove to the Whole Civilized World that it didn't bow down to Russia's demands, and issued yet another batch of sanctions.

But for every Russian who will read this article (and believe me – there will be a fair amount of them), after they get the essence of it, they will realize that this is not some op-ed by the typically "handshakable" Western outlet, that this "commentary" had been published by the Powers That Be of the EU – and that everything written herein bodes nothing good for Russia in the foreseeable future, no matter what. Russians, being the citizens of Russia, tend to react very negatively to some Western countries' decision to "deal" with them. And the reaction will follow. As it turned out, the Westerners of old (who also had some "long- term problems with Russia") were truly… mortified by such manner of counter-reaction.

ThatJ, August 29, 2015 at 4:30 pm
@yalensis

I don't make any definitions. Similarities and differences are easily observed by the naked eye, but if you want something more scientific, you can always rely on genetics. "Ethnicity" can be considered a modern substitute for "tribe" anyhow, and closely related peoples did wage wars against each other in the past (and today). There was a motley of Germanic tribes in the past, many of whom are today just "Germans", "Dutch", "Danes", &c.

From Darwin Revisited:

The following observations in The Origin regarding the nature of evolutionary competition provide valuable clues as to why civil wars occur, why the French make jokes about the Belgians, the Norwegians dislike the Swedes and the British go to war against the Germans. Darwin wrote that 'the competition will generally be most severe between those forms which are most nearly related to each other in habits, constitution, and structure' (1968: 165).

[Aug 30, 2015]The Dollar Now What

Aug 30, 2015 | Zero Hedge
Canada's fundamentals are poor and this seemed to outweigh the recovery in oil prices. Also, the US two-year premium over Canada recouped most of the ground it had lost earlier in the week. Canada is expected to report a contraction in Q2 GDP in the coming days and a softening of the labor market in August. The US dollar's pullback from the CAD1.3355 spike on August 25 fizzled near CAD1.3140. Another run at the highs looks likely. Over the longer term, we look for the Australian dollar to fall toward $0.6000 and the US dollar to rise toward CAD1.40.

Oil prices staged a strong rebounded in the second half of last week after falling to $37.75 on August 24. The bounce carried the October light crude futures contract to $45.25, which completes a 61.8% retracement of the slide in prices since July 29. The next objective is seen near $46.80 and then $48.00. There is good momentum, and the October contract finished the week above its 20-day moving average (~$42.95) for the first time since June 23. The October contract posted a potential key reversal on the weekly bar charts. It made a new multi-year low early in the week and then proceeded to rally, taking out the previous week's highs. It closed at its highest level since the end of July.

... ... ...

7. The net long speculative light sweet crude oil futures positions were pared by 5k contracts, leaving 215.6k. Given the large movement in prices, it is surprising to see how small of a position adjustment took place. The longs added 1k contracts, lifting the gross position to 474.2k contracts. The bears trimmed their gross position by 4k contracts, leaving 215.6k.

[Aug 30, 2015] The US does not permit negative media to undermine domestic support for its war effort

Warren, August 30, 2015 at 2:46 pm
The primary lesson the US learnt from the Vietnam debacle was that in any future conflicts the US will not permit negative media to undermine domestic support for its war effort. The US has used CNN and domestic local TV stations as training facilities for its psychological warfare units.

Army embeds active-duty PSYOPS soldiers at local TV stations

Warren says:

August 30, 2015 at 2:46 pm

The primary lesson the US learnt from the Vietnam debacle was that in any future conflicts the US will not permit negative media to undermine domestic support for its war effort. The US has used CNN and domestic local TV stations as training facilities for its psychological warfare units.

Army embeds active-duty PSYOPS soldiers at local TV stations

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/upshot/army-embeds-active-duty-psyops-soldiers-local-tv.html

Why Were Government Propaganda Experts Working On News At CNN?

http://fair.org/take-action/action-alerts/why-were-government-propaganda-experts-working-on-news-at-cnn/

Speaking of Panama, the success the US had in controlling the media narrative in that short war/intervention provided the template for the Persian Gulf War of 1991.

According John Perkins the Economic Hitman, the CIA murdered Omar Torrijos. The US and Panama were in dispute over the Panama Canal, specifically who would be in control of it and on what terms.

Let us not forget that the US and NATO bombed Serbian television and radio stations in 1999.

[Aug 30, 2015] The Guardian view on the latest Ukraine ceasefire call: why this could be the one that works

"...This is not good journalism, nor objective, perceptive, informed reporting. It's hogwash- and from the Guardian!!! An effete, ignorant, vague, prejudiced, white washing survey of no value what so ever. "
"...The same old story on behalf of Washington DC."
"...It's just the Graun beating the drums of war on behalf of NATO...again."
"...The Guardian view on the latest Ukraine ceasefire call: why this could be the one that works... So there will be some enforcement on the West Ukrainians to observe it at last and curb the neonazi types?"
"...This article assumes wrongly that Russia and Putin are to blame when quite the opposite is true .

This all occurred due to the EU very aggressive expansionist policy in the Ukraine, Russia's backyard encouraged by a under funded sabre rattling Nato which has all gone horribly wrong .

Eastern Russian Ukrainian separatists have every right to self determination as do people in the Falkland islands or in Scotland and Gibraltar and yet not Ukrainian Russians ?? Why not !

The EU cannot afford to bail out Greece, never mind the Ukraine and costs are mounting daily .The EU is tilting imperially at windmills

Many people in the UK EU do not support their governments approach to Russia and cannot even understand it ,and see yet more double standards

The EU need desperately to get Russia back as a market particularly as China is starting to look wobbly any more talk of sanctions against Russia would be counter productive"

Aug 30, 2015 | The Guardian

Bosula -> Agrajag3k 30 Aug 2015 21:50

Russia's RTs budget is about a third of the amount that the US State Department spends of funding six state owned propaganda broadcasting services across the world.

At least one of these US state sponsored propaganda networks has a formal agreement with the Guardian to run their pro US stories on a regular basis (see stories by RFE, for example).

Does this help you understand that propaganda is complex. It not just a Russian game, if that is really what you thought.

The Russians are the little kids on the block in this ongoing propaganda 'war'.

annamarinja -> JakeBrumby 30 Aug 2015 21:49

You mean, only FauxNews provide the truth and only truth?


Winifred Kiddle 30 Aug 2015 21:36

You're reading different stuff to what I read according to my sources Putin is the person who masterminded Minsk. And Porky is the dude who signed an agreement but never kept to it. Something about kids living in basements that's how we'll win this war Yada Yada Yada. Oh that's right the Guardian employs Shaun Walker. Enough said. Please, please get your facts right and stop hoodwinked your readers.

Bosula HollyOldDog 30 Aug 2015 21:36

A no brainer for me - seek the protection of a friendly neighbour who shares your culture and language.

The period following the unconstitutional February 2014 coup in Kiev was a dangerous and lawless period.

HauptmannGurski Beckow 30 Aug 2015 21:45

The winter, yes, it is very important in that region, nearby Stalingrad, now Volgograd, etc. That's why a ceasefire before winter has better chances than one before summer, e.g. February.

As far as these jokers with a German name (Tintenfische) are concerned who delight in the idea of a Russian crash, they really got no idea what they are talking about. Russians do not give in, see Leningrad siege. Russia has received shock therapy with these sanctions and they wll now ensure that never again will they be overly dependend on foreign sources of funds, or even cooperation.

As the saying goes, if you need a helping hand look at what you find at the end of your right arm. The cooperation after the 1991 collapse was a failure, looked like a good idea at the time. They are very conscious of needing to focus on their own minds and resources, instead of sugar hits from foreign creditors like Ukraine and Greece. And then there are these people who go full frontal against Putin - being totally oblivious that the Putins, Obamas, Bushes come and go. Anyone who's engaging in these primitive Putin attacks just displays a low IQ.

Economies are in dire straights everywhere, so why should Russia be an exception. There is no country now that isn't plagued by excessive borrowings and Russia is barred from excessive borrowing, good. At least they are free of prooping up Ukraine now. Lets see how the other side likes propping them up.

poopin4putin PaddyCannuck 30 Aug 2015 21:21

It is truly stomach-churning stuff. Especially since the rubble is gaining. it was 70+ to US dollar last week, but closed Friday at around 65. Its gaining. oh wait it was around 35 a year or so ago. sorry.

Beckow -> Rudeboy1 30 Aug 2015 21:21

Almost everything you wrote is wrong.

Only 20-25% of Russia's economy is oil, gas and energy. The price crash was in dollars, in rubles the prices are almost the same as a year ago. In Russia they use rubles...

Russia is increasing both its cash reserves and gold holdings, check Bloomberg.
Putin increased defense budget.

Russia's population has been growing since 2011, their birth rates are higher than almost all EU countries. You want to see real demographic disaster, try Latvia - down 25% in 15 years, or Estonia, Germany, Italy, Spain, Bulgaria... Plus Russia gets second largest number of immigrants after US in the world.

Why are you way off on all your facts? Are you Obama's speech writer? Or do you think this is 1998?

Parangaricurimicuaro -> jezzam 30 Aug 2015 21:20

Food production is one of the areas in the Russian economy that is starting to show results in this new government guided import substitution. So when a cheese producer in western Europe sees images of tons of cheese been bulldozed then I don't consider that they were laughing. The creation of markets is a process that takes time and effort.

nadodi 30 Aug 2015 21:00

The same old story on behalf of Washington DC.

PaddyCannuck 30 Aug 2015 20:55

It's really breathtaking how so many of our rabid Russia-haters just ooze schadenfreude when commenting on the imagined effects of western sanctions and other economic measures which they gleefully fantasise as reducing the lives of ordinary Russians to abject misery.

But then, when it comes to Russian seizure and destruction of contraband goods or one of the daily articles of how bad Russia and Putin are, they're suddenly full of loving concern and compassion for those same ordinary Russians, and inundate us with a deluge of crocodile tears. Truly stomach-churning stuff.


Vlad Cheprasov 30 Aug 2015 21:18

According to recent big buzz 2000 russian soldiers killed vs. about 1500 Ukrainian soldiers official stats claims.
That means that majority in East are russian soldiers vs. ukrainian
That means that majority captured POW should be russian soldiers
Considering Ukrianian side is more effective (2000 vs 1500) they must've got more POW's
Why they provided 12 lost souls in 2014 and just 4 this year ?
Separatist side handed back more than thousand Ukrainian POW (official Ukrainian sources claim)
Where are those thousands of Russian soldiers/mercenaries?
Every time they got couple guys all MSM headers are blown with a really BIG news.

Bosula -> Agrajag3k 30 Aug 2015 21:14

if it works for you - go for it as an 'ethnic Australian'.

All Slavs in this part of this part of world share the same genetic heritage - regardless of what country they come from. Certainly Russians and Ukrainians are the same people genetically and share much in common, whether they like it on not

HollyOldDog -> Bosula 30 Aug 2015 20:28

The rest of Ukraine was descending into chaos, what with police and demonstrators being shot and killed by unknown assalients from rooftops. Odessa , where 45 plus Ukrainian citizens were trapped in a building which was set fire to by outside football supporters, then shot at and clubbed when the citizens climbed out of the burning building seeking help. Would you risk yourself and your family in such a situation or would you seek the protection of a friendly power?


HollyOldDog -> GhengisMao 30 Aug 2015 21:00

That is just what Poroshenko is praying for as it would mean more money flowing into the coffers of Ukraine. ( thereby into his own as well). Yats - Americas own man said that Ukraine should be given around $2billion per year for 3 years ( last years request).

But it will never happen and Poroshenko will be ordered to live up to his obligations in respect to the Minsk2 agreement. I suggest he starts now as the gaze of the EU drifts to the far more serious problem of these migrants who don't carry identity papers entering the EU. terrorist fractions could be in their midst, so the EU has to be diligent. So Poroshenko either get your act together and fulfill your obligations or be sidelined, to sink or swim on your own.

EugeneGur -> jezzam 30 Aug 2015 20:28

With you, no evidence, hard or otherwise, is ever required. "Everyone knows", "nobody believes" - is good enough for you.

The alternative is to believe that a ragbag army of separatists in a region of three million people can overwhelm the regular army of a country with 45 million people on their own.

This is a good example of you reasoning. We Russians call such "facts" "dragged by the ears". You claim to know Russian - you should understand what I refer to.
First, it isn't clear what was more ragbag - the Kiev army or separatists. Just because it is called regular army doesn't mean they know how, or are willing, to fight. Second, the whole 45 millions didn't go to fight, did they? Kiev has trouble assembling decent number of soldiers even now - separatists don't. What a difference motivation makes.

HollyOldDog -> alpamysh 30 Aug 2015 20:19

Ah, I was right all along.
The West Always Speaks With Fase Tongue.
Middle East and African countries should keep their own council and keep the Western Wolves from the door.

HollyOldDog -> jezzam 30 Aug 2015 20:14

The West in terms of the European West, wants a federated Ukraine that is not at war with itself and where one part ,the West is not trying to destroy another part the East. In this context the West of Ukraine has become a liability to Europe by insisting that it requires advanced NATO. weapons to defeat its opponent in Eastern Ukraine. Any Russian involvement other than sending food convoys to East Ukraine is pure speculation and/or wishful thinking by a beleaguered President of Ukraine who cannot/will not hold meaningful discussions with the East of Ukraine. Ultimately it's the responsibility of President Poroshenko to resolve the troubles of Ukraine peacefully, by negotiating with East Ukraine. No IFS, No BUTS just do it, or Ukraine could be just left behind in the mounting migrant crisis. Poroshenko could volunteer his country to take several thousand Syrian Migrants , just to show that he has the true German minded spirit.

DomesticExtremist -> nnedjo 30 Aug 2015 20:10

It's just the Graun beating the drums of war on behalf of NATO...again.

nnedjo 30 Aug 2015 20:03

It is too soon to be confident but this time the economic and political pressures may be mounting on Vladimir Putin to make agreements that will stick
Why is it so difficult to understand that Putin would be the last one to want the continuation of this fratricidal war?

For comparison, imagine that civil war breaks out in the UK between the Scots and the English. In that case whether it would be necessary to take any special pressure on the British Prime Minister to stop such a war?

Chillskier -> jezzam 30 Aug 2015 20:00

Ensure that Ukraine does not go under economically and eventually becomes a fully functioning and prosperous liberal democracy.
It seems to be working pretty well..

NO it is not.
You need to talk to people who actually live there, it is a catastrophe


HollyOldDog -> truk10 30 Aug 2015 19:46

Ukraine should be wary of false friends who may lead then down a blind alley. Only today I watched a very interesting TV program that puts the continueing existance of Monsanto into serious doubt. The program was about wheat in terms of the future of Global Warming where presentment her patterns within seasons would vary widely. Is it the right course of action to choose types of GM wheat where seasonal rains would pop up at inconvenient times ( which a farmer would pay 'through the nose for') or to allow your wheats to choose the correct wheat for the growing conditions it encounters. Some of the Wheats on test where from the times of the ancient Egyptians while the oldest variety was around 9000 years old. Instead of gene splicing and growing micro cultures in a lab followed by years of field testing , perhaps we should just look what our ancestors did.

I know this is not exactly on topic but I am trying to suggest Not to believe the latest SPIN, just because it is new. NEW SPIN does not equal TRUTH. IF something looks to be too good to be true then it is too good to be true - Forbes, verify your stories before you publish.

EugeneGur 30 Aug 2015 19:45

Vladimir Putin laid all the blame on the Ukrainian government, while Kiev has been warning that Russia is readying for new offensives

There is no need to listen to what Putin says and even less to what Kiev says. The MinskII agreements consists of only 13 point, and it is quite easy to ascertain for anyone who is doing, or not doing, what. MinksII demands certain actions on the part of the Kiev government, including constitutional reform with specific provisions for Donbass and restoration of social payments. None of this has been carried out by Kiev, which should be obvious for anybody, because Kiev doesn't even bother to deny it. They openly say they haven't done any of this and not going to. So, what does it matter what anyone says?

This marks the deadline for the internationally recognized border to come back under Ukrainian government control. At the moment, however, the Russians maintain an exclusive grip.

Correction - LPR/LPR maintain the firm grip. They will continue doing so - they aren't suicidal, not at all. The control of the border was supposed to be ceded to Kiev after all other provision of MinskII have been implemented. That hasn't happened, so the border is and will remain in the DPR/LPD hands for the time being. Kiev concentrates on that border issue like it was all they noticed in MinskII - must the Guardian repeat the Kiev narrative verbatum?

President Putin's recent language may nevertheless indicate that he is looking for a way out of what may have turned into something of a military and political quagmire.

May I remind the geniuses at the Guardian that it was precisely President Putin who engineered both MinskI and MinskII? If Putin hadn't put pressure on Donbass, they would've agreed to any of this. They don't want to be in Ukraine, and Putins had to use all his influence to make them agree. However, even his authority won't be enough to convince them to go for MinskII. So, it' Kiev's last chance.

There is rumor Russia will soon start giving Russian passports to DPR/LPR citizens, and Donbass will soon be holding a referendum about joining Russia. There is a very, very probable scenario.

Yet the separatist forces are a disorderly group that have shown themselves incapable of carving out a territory that could be held sustainably.

Really? This "disorderly group" inflicted devastating defeat on the Kiev valiant army not once, not twice, but three times. No matter how often the West repeats it was the Russian army, they know full well it is not so. Every independent observes ever to visit Donbass stated that there is no Russian troops there.
"The territory isn't sustainable" - how surprising they aren't prospering under almost complete blockade and while being shelled daily. How sustainable is Kiev with all the Western help? Nearing default, I hear. And the utility bills are larger than average salaries now. Good job, people - keep it up.

I wonder whether the Guardian editorial board must make a fool if itself all the time every time.


nnedjo 30 Aug 2015 19:42

The head of the Ukrainian General Staff has admitted that 90% of intelligence they have received about the war in the southeast later turned out to be false. Which means only 10% of the information was true.:-)

And even more interesting/funny is a statement of the US Permanent Representative to NATO:

The US Permanent Representative to NATO, Douglas Lute, has admitted that his knowledge about the ongoing conflict in eastern Ukraine comes mostly from social networks rather than intelligence reports.

"We should all ask ourselves: why is it that we know so little really about what is going on in Donbass," the US ambassador to NATO told "Friends of Europe" forum in Brussels.

"I mean, frankly, I read more on social media about what is going on in the Donbass than I get from formal intelligence networks. This is because the networks don't exist today," Lute said.


TomFullery alpamysh 30 Aug 2015 19:05

I think you're getting confused with Americanswho are famous for their completely over the top indiscriminate use of firepower to "solve" a problem.

I remember a SWAT team managed to burn down a whole neighbourhood block a few years ago while trying to apprehend a burglar who was holed up in one of the apartments.


Beckow impartial12 30 Aug 2015 18:41

"Ukraine is important to the West because of its encroachment strategy against Russia"

The strategy is to somehow take over Russia by either having Yeltsin-like puppets in power again, or maybe by physically taking it apart (separatism). The "encroachment" is just the means to that end.

Russians had two choices when the coup happened in Kiev on the last day of the Sochi Olympics:

  • - do nothing and hope for the best; maybe Ukraine would run into economic troubles, maybe it would collapse into infighting like after the Orange revolution
  • - quickly save what could be saved - Crimea, bases, Donbass Russians - and squeeze Ukraine economically until it collapses

The West was surprised that Russia went for the second option and decided to fight. I think Russia decided that this was their best chance to resist, and that facts on the ground in Ukraine were in their favor. So far it has worked for Russia, thus the almost hysterical anger in the West.

nnedjo 30 Aug 2015 18:24

though there are victims almost every day and one report, not independently verified, suggests Russian deaths may have reached 2,000.

So, here we have an article on the question of war or peace in a such a large country such as Ukraine, and on a possible entry into a total war with its even larger neighbor Russia. And one such article refers to "a report that has not independently verified", or let's just say is not verified at all. One must admit that It is rather frivolous approach to one serious topic like this. That would be about the same as if someone would advise a man seriously ill from cancer to contact the nearest medicine man for a treatment.

And how this alleged report was created in the first time?
Thus, the Ukrainian website "New Region" ("Новый Регион") has published an alleged picture of a web page from Russian website, which even by its design does not correspond to the original site, because the right margin (only the right!) is painted in gray-blue color. In addition, they claim that the site from which they took picture "immediately was changed by Russian censors", and it now looks like this. Which means that only they [the Ukrainians] are in possession of incriminating secret information about the number of the killed Russian soldiers, and we probably need to trust them on this.

What else is interesting about this?

Except that the Ukrainians were the first and only ones to notice "the self-incriminating" Russian webpage, their, therefore, the Ukrainian webpage that talks about it first was noticed (probably quite by chance too) by the famous author of anti-Russian articles, and former friend of the assassin of US President Kennedy, Lee Harvey Oswald. Of course, when one such "celebrity" like Paul Roderick Gregory publish one such "sensation" against Russia, and yet it is written in Forbes, it is then quickly spread all over the internet and finaly ends up here on the Guardian.

The only thing the Guardian "forgot" to specify that, in addition to 2000 killed, the "alleged-by the Ukrainians seen only-report" also mentions the 3200 wounded Russian soldiers on the Ukrainian front. Thus, on a total of 5200 Russian troops casualties, there are only 10 Russian soldiers who were captured in Ukraine(we read about it also in the Guardian, a year ago). An amazing proportion, you must admit!


Agrajag3k Bosula 30 Aug 2015 18:23

Most of Ukraine speaks Russian as a first or second language. This whole "ethnic Russian" nonsense is an invention of the Kremlin.

I speak English, share similar customs and very likely have distant relatives who live there, so from now on I'll call myself an "ethnic Australian". Is that how it works?


Andrew Nichols 30 Aug 2015 18:20

The Guardian view on the latest Ukraine ceasefire call: why this could be the one that works

So there will be some enforcement on the West Ukrainians to observe it at last and curb the neonazi types?

vr13vr Chirographer 30 Aug 2015 17:46

It wasn't a conflict between Russia and Ukraine. It was a conflict between Kiev and people of Crimea, unless you insist their opinion shouldn't matter at all. But you are right about Ukraine not being a NATO member and as such NATO should have never have gone into high gear and escalated its rhetoric over this.


dmitryfrommoscow gimmeshoes 30 Aug 2015 17:43

References to 'Euromaidan' sources cannot be accepted. What else can the Ukrainian Security Council say? Do you expect it to admit frankly that root-cause of the conflict in Donbass is found in their own imecilic far-right nationalism?


MaoChengJi 30 Aug 2015 18:13

That is not to say that Russia has given up on destabilising its neighbour, nor on trying to redraw Europe's security architecture to its advantage.

God, what a comedy... Russia is destabilising? Russia is "trying to redraw Europe's security architecture"?

You're trolling, admit it. I don't mind trolling myself, but not for annoying, bullying, and eventually cornering a nuclear power. Only idiots would do that.


Bosula Bob49 30 Aug 2015 18:10

What I can never understand is why three quarters of the Ukrainian army stationed in the Crimea joined the Russian army during or before the referendum?

No shots were fired?

How can this be an annexation?

We are talking about something like ten thousand troops here - close to a third to half of the fighting force of the Australian army.

Would half the Australian army voluntarily join the army of a foreign country If they tried to 'annex' Australia?

Could they take over Australia, my home, without firing a shot?

I don't think so.

We may not be able to defeat a large annexing force from Asia but we would at least fire our guns and put up a fight.

We certainly wouldn't 'party' hard about the annexation and vote to join the invading country - yet this is what occurred in the Crimea.

What is going on here?


Beckow dmitryfrommoscow 30 Aug 2015 18:06

Why does it matter who is doing the fighting? I am amused by the legalistic obsession with whose uniform someone wears before they go off to die. It is a distraction - there is a war there. What matters is who wins, not what "regular unit" they belong to. Clearly enough people on both sides feel strongly enough about it to risk their lives.

The only relevant military fact is that Russians said they will not let Donbass be overrun. Since nobody thinks that Kiev (or Kiev+...) can actually defeat Russia, that kind of puts an end to all military uncertainty.

This will be decided based on economy and how people feel about their living standards in a few years. If Ukraine is prosperous, inside EU (or close by), jobs are plentiful and incomes high, Donbass cannot and will not stay separate. Hell, even Crimeans might have second thoughts. On the hand, if Ukraine stays poor as it is today - or gets worse - than Donbass separatism will be the least of Kiev's problems.

Based on the reality we can all see, it is much more likely that we are about to see the second scenario. Fighting just postpones the inevitable and fogs up what is really going on - collapse of Ukraine's economy and living standards....


Beckow Tintenfische 30 Aug 2015 17:55

Stay sober. Russia's economy is down 4%, that's not "go down in flames". E.g. EU economy dropped 6-9% after '09, and people are ok, kind of.

The real issue is with the Ukrainian economy and living standards. Russia's per capita income this year is 10 times higher than Ukraine's. That's very substantial, that's why about 3 million Ukrainians work in Russia and more are coming each month.

The West tried to crash Russian economy ahead of the inevitable Ukrainian collapse, and it failed. So now the death-watch for the Ukraine's economy has started: default on loans, catastrophic drop in living standards and incomes, millions trying to emigrate, and energy dependency on Russia that might turn out to be fatal if there is a cold winter in Europe.

vr13vr CedricH 30 Aug 2015 17:55

Yeah, I can imagine Russians being jealous of Ukrainians. The economy is collapsing, the inflation is 40%, the far is going on, the armed Right Sector people are walking in the center of the city, the opposition leaders are suppressed and the actions are taking against the media that disagrees with Kiev. And while all of this, the corruption remains exactly where it used to be. Darn, the entire world is jealous of those lucky Ukrainians.

Beckow Tintenfische 30 Aug 2015 17:47

"it denies the Ukrainian people any sort of agency what so ever and at the same time ignores that the elections within the Ukraine have not been called free or fair for a generation"

I wrote 'assisted in an overthrow' - do you get the meaning of the verb "to assist"? Assisting in an overthrow of an elected president is by any definition illegal and unconstitutional - all else that followed has to be examined in that light.

Elections in Ukraine have been free and fair and declared so by EU itself many times. Yanukovitch won fair and square. Russian speakers (or supporters) used to get roughly 50% of the vote, sometimes more, sometimes little bit less. Their party - Party of Regions - was outlawed. So maybe they are listened to, but in a very constrained way - they are certainly not equal to the Western Ukrainians. That's why some of them started a civil war.

You don't address any of the disastrous economic consequences of Maidan and the war: Ukraine is suffering and is much worse off than two years ago. There is no economic prosperity possible in Ukraine without Russian cooperation (energy, imports, food, investments). That is a reality that cannot be wished away. Unless Ukraine adjusts to being a poor, agrarian country, that exports millions of workers, with living standards maybe like in Albania or Tunis (at best), they will have to make peace with Russia and its own Russian leaning population. There is no other way, even Germany and France have officially told Kiev that much. Only US nutcases don't care about economy or living standards and prefer to play geo-political games with Ukrainians...

SHappens -> Agrajag3k 30 Aug 2015 17:42

Ukraine can prosper perfectly well on its own, just like any other county under the right leadership.

which they dont have. On the other hand when a big part of the country doesnt want to align with the "West" they should be heard. That's what is called democracy

Bosula 30 Aug 2015 17:41

'The Minsk agreement will also come under further international scrutiny as the end of the year nears. This marks the deadline for the internationally recognised border to come back under Ukrainian government control.'

This editorial is a little like a snake - slides all over place and slithers around facts.

This is no mention of Minsk agreement preconditions for the border to come back under Ukrainian control.

This includes progress on constitutional reform and constructive negotiations with East Ukraine.

The editorial provides no assessment on progress on these important conditions.

Or don't they matter?

vr13vr -> alpamysh 30 Aug 2015 17:41

Kiev doesn't know what it wants. But you are right, why wouldn't Kiev leave Donbass and the entire region. That would stop all the tensions at once because I don't remember people from the East having any intend to go to the West Ukraine and bring the war there. Let Kiev stop the attempts and let the Donbass and Lugansk areas go and there will be peace.

vr13vr -> Bosula 30 Aug 2015 17:38

And they should leave them alone.

Falloe7 CedricH 30 Aug 2015 17:30

The Guardian news about 2000 Russians dead is out of date as Forbes news who printed it were found out to be a Load of Rubbish and made up. By load of Idiots by the sound of it who Forbes news believed Just goes to show you cannot believe all you read now can you

Bosula Nick Gresham 30 Aug 2015 17:30

The US is though - and war is good for the US economy.

pfbulmer 30 Aug 2015 17:27

This article assumes wrongly that Russia and Putin are to blame when quite the opposite is true .

This all occurred due to the EU very aggressive expansionist policy in the Ukraine, Russia's backyard encouraged by a under funded sabre rattling Nato which has all gone horribly wrong .

Eastern Russian Ukrainian separatists have every right to self determination as do people in the Falkland islands or in Scotland and Gibraltar and yet not Ukrainian Russians ?? Why not !

The EU cannot afford to bail out Greece, never mind the Ukraine and costs are mounting daily .The EU is tilting imperially at windmills

Many people in the UK EU do not support their governments approach to Russia and cannot even understand it ,and see yet more double standards

The EU need desperately to get Russia back as a market particularly as China is starting to look wobbly any more talk of sanctions against Russia would be counter productive


Beckow Tintenfische 30 Aug 2015 17:13

There is a difference between selling arms and funding rebellions that overthrow governments. US actually physically invaded Iraq.

US and EU assisted in an overthrow of the elected president in Ukraine. That's why we have the mess in Ukraine. If the democratic process was followed and all groups were listened to - including Russian speaking half of Ukraine - we would not have this disaster. And it is a disaster.


Beckow Tintenfische 30 Aug 2015 17:13

There is a difference between selling arms and funding rebellions that overthrow governments. US actually physically invaded Iraq.

US and EU assisted in an overthrow of the elected president in Ukraine. That's why we have the mess in Ukraine. If the democratic process was followed and all groups were listened to - including Russian speaking half of Ukraine - we would not have this disaster. And it is a disaster.


careforukraine 30 Aug 2015 16:47

The truth is that the west has realized that trying to continue on the same path is futile.
The public have grown tired of hearing false stories abouy russian aggression and more and more stories about nazism in kiev are becoming apparent.
Both these facts make it hard for the US to gain support from their own public.
Now its in the US best interests to cut ties with poroshenko.......and this is why poroshenko was reprimanded by merkel and hollande at the last meeting.
The has lost the stomach to continue


BastaYa72 alpamysh 30 Aug 2015 16:33

Moreover, a country with the agricultural resources of Ukraine

Land that has long since been signed over to Monsanto and DuPont as part payment for earlier loans. Ukraine's economy is in such a state that's it's obvious that it will form the next major refugee crisis, while Svoboda and Privvy Sector will almost certainly launch a coup to over-throw the Kiev government.

Iraq, Libya, Ukraine - you can pretty much guarantee that wherever the West intervenes or interferes, chaos and destruction is pretty much 'nailed-on'.


Laurence Johnson 30 Aug 2015 16:12

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Thousands of Ukrainian far-right supporters have rallied in the Kiev's Independence Square calling for a referendum that would impeach the country's president Petro Poroshenko.

The peaceful rally held by the Right Sector movement saw thousands of people converge in the centre of Kiev on 21 July, waving Right Sector and Ukrainian flags and chanting "Glory to Ukraine".

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vr13vr psygone 30 Aug 2015 16:11

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Russia does not need options on Ukraine. Frankly, it doesn't care so much about Ukraine any more. All it needs to do is to keep this status quo in the East Ukraine, supporting Donbass and Lugansk. It will keep Kiev and Washington unhappy but little they could do about it.

It is Kiev who has no options to recapture the control of the region in face of local opposition there and it is Kiev that is looking for grace saving exit.

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vr13vr 30 Aug 2015 16:09

Clueless. The "low intensity" fight continues, but it's evident that the chances of Kiev to establish full control of the area are non-existent, and it is Kiev who is looking for a grace saving exit at this point.

And as for West "helping Ukraine" by cutting down the debt by 20%, this is the freshest interpretation of the event I've ever heard. It wasn't done to "help" Ukraine. The West agreed to do so to avoid even messier and costlier option of default and loosing even more money in Ukraine. Other than talking about giving some more loans to Ukraine in the future, the help to Ukraine from the West is now minimum.

BastaYa72 -> alpamysh 30 Aug 2015 16:33

Moreover, a country with the agricultural resources of Ukraine

Land that has long since been signed over to Monsanto and DuPont as part payment for earlier loans. Ukraine's economy is in such a state that's it's obvious that it will form the next major refugee crisis, while Svoboda and Privvy Sector will almost certainly launch a coup to over-throw the Kiev government.

Iraq, Libya, Ukraine - you can pretty much guarantee that wherever the West intervenes or interferes, chaos and destruction is pretty much 'nailed-on'.

Laurence Johnson -> Beckow 30 Aug 2015 16:05

You make some very sober points. Ukraine is indeed destined to be a wasteland similar to Libya and Syria. The scorch and burn policy of "if I cant have it, nobody can have it" is very clear.

I suspect that in twenty years time East Ukraine will be an economic miracle that engages with Asia via Russia. As for Kiev I suspect they will still be arguing about which Oligarch has the biggest pair of balls.

normankirk 30 Aug 2015 15:56

under the Minsk agreement, the border comes back under Ukrainian control, only when Ukraine has done the necessary constitutional reform that grants autonomy to the Donbas. So far, Kiev has dragged the chain , and to this day has refused dialogue with the leaders of the DPR and LPR.Poroshenko has openly boasted of using the ceasefire to build up another military assault on the eastern Ukrainians , and has vowed to reclaim all the terrItory by force.All this is in breach of the Minsk agreement Articles like this, with their bias and misinformation destroys the credibility of the guardian

This time the ceasefire may work because Merkel and Hollande have pressured Poroshenko, but I'm not holding my breath.

Parangaricurimicuaro 30 Aug 2015 15:45

I think that Europe is having to much on its plate. Terrorism problems, energy insecurity, bailing out Greece, refugees escaping wars south of the Mediterranean, aging population etc. so maybe it is most than they could possible chew. Reality is sobering everyone.


SHappens Agrajag3k 30 Aug 2015 15:36

Russia has no interest in seeing the war end or seeing Ukraine prosper.

Ukraine cannot prosper without Russia's market, that's an economic truth. Ukraine can even less prosper without the Donbass. The West must accept to share Ukraine with Russia. Federalization can make this possible and fulfill every country's ambitions and will, except for one country overseas, taking part to the events, we dont know why or do we?

Beckow 30 Aug 2015 15:26

Half-truths are by definition not truths. To say:

"deadline for the internationally recognised border to come back under Ukrainian government control"

Minsk also requires that Donbass has autonomy before border is turned over. How does one leave out the other side of the story? It is like reporting on Soviet Union conquest of Berlin in 1945 without mentioning that Germany invaded Russia in 1941. Maybe that's next in the endless search for just the right narrative where friends are friends, and enemies are, well the enemy is Russia, end of story. No need to actually be accurate. About Minsk or anything else.

Ukraine is bankrupt - negotiating to not pay back the full principal is the definition of a default. You can call it a "haircut" all you want, Ukraine has just defaulted - as in: they will not pay their full debts back. Who is going to invest there now? Other than EU taxpayers and IMF funny money men?

Time is definitely not on Ukraine's side: economy is down by 15-17%, inflation is 40-50%, incomes are dramatically down to roughly Senegal-Nepal level, the exports to Russia that Ukraine used to live off are down by more than 50% and dropping - and nothing is replacing the Russian market. With living standards are on sub-African level and with no visa-free access to EU, no investments (see the default above), and energy dependence on Russia, how can time be on Kiev's side? How are they going to grow out of it? What and to whom are they going to export? How is the per capita income going to grow? Today Ukraine income is 1/10 of Russia's per capita income (that's right 10%). How is time on Kiev's side?

West triggered an unnecessary catastrophe in Ukraine by assisting in an overthrow of an elected government. Ukraine is divided, look at all elections, look at language usage, etc... half is pro-West, half is pro-Russian. It is impossible to have a prosperous Ukraine without both having a say in running the country. So sooner or later, Ukraine will either go back to its traditional role as a buffer state, or it will break-up. There is no way one group can permanently dominate the other. And that takes us back to the Minsk treaty that specifies that Donbass gets autonomy. Maybe we should ask Kiev what happened to that part of the treaty. Why isn't it even mentioned?


impartial12 Tintenfische 30 Aug 2015 15:19

That is funny considering the amount of armaments building up among the former nations of the Soviet Union neighboring Russia. The escalation in Ukraine had started with an illegal coup of an elected government. And don't even get me started on the neo-Nazi tendencies of the new regime. It takes two to tango, and the West clearly wants to play this game no matter what negative consequences it may bring.


SHappens 30 Aug 2015 15:14

Kiev, backed by Washington who is using Ukrainian army foot soldiers, paramilitaries, foreign mercenaries, Nazi-infested death squads and others hasn't stopped since initiated back in April 2014. Kiev flagrantly violated the Geneva and two Minsk ceasefire agreements straightaway. Moreover Kiev has repeatedly refused to sit and talk with the people in the East and grant them autonomy as per Minsk.

Surely Russia supports the eastern ukrainians, rightly, in a way or another, preventing in this way a full war offensive by Kiev, however Russian's army is not present in Ukraine. President Putin wants peace and has been calling for it since the very start of the event, that is the ATO launched by Kiev back in 2014.

This is the Donbass who fights against Kiev. It is the US citizens who are forced to devote scarce resources to the dying puppet regime in Kiev (who will not avoid the country's default anyway + they have been downgraded), while Russia can stay away making peace proposals. If the US wants to put the fire, they will put it so it is necessary to be able to quickly turn it off to preserve what is most precious. That's why Putin considers peace of vital importance.

We can only guess who will be most effective - the US with their fuel container or the Russians with their fire extinguisher?

[Aug 29, 2015] So Wrong for So Long

"...For starters, neoconservatives think balance-of-power politics doesn't really work in international affairs and that states are strongly inclined to "bandwagon" instead. In other words, they think weaker states are easy to bully and never stand up to powerful adversaries. Their faulty logic follows that other states will do whatever Washington dictates provided we demonstrate how strong and tough we are. This belief led them to conclude that toppling Saddam would send a powerful message and cause other states in the Middle East to kowtow to us. If we kept up the pressure, our vast military power would quickly transform the region into a sea of docile pro-American democracies."
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"...Moreover, neocons believe military force is a supple tool that can be turned on and off like a spigot. If the United States uses force and things go badly, they seem to think the nation can just pull out quickly and live to fight another day. But that's not how things work in the real world of politics: Once forces are committed, the military brass will demand the chance to win a clear victory, and politicians will worry about the nation's prestige and their own political fortunes. The conflicts in Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, and Somalia should remind us that it's a lot easier to get into wars than it is to get out of them, but that lesson has been lost on most neoconservatives."
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"...They claim their main goal is spreading freedom and democracy (except for Palestinians, of course), but they have no theory to explain how this will happen or how toppling a foreign government with military force will magically cause democracy to emerge. Instead, they believe the desire to live in freedom is hardwired into human DNA, and all one has to do is remove the bad guys at the top. Once they are gone, the now-liberated population will forget past grievances, form political parties, embrace tolerance, line up for orderly elections, accept the resulting outcomes willingly, and offer grateful thanks to Uncle Sam."
Aug 21, 2015 | Foreign Policy

Over the past few weeks, proponents of the nuclear deal with Iran - from President Barack Obama on down - have marshaled a powerful attack on some of the deal's most prominent opponents. Specifically, they've been pointing out an indisputable fact: Many of the individuals and organizations that are most actively lobbying and speaking out against the deal helped dream up the idea of invading Iraq or worked hard to convince Congress and the American people to go along with the idea. The logic of the pro-deal camp is simple: Given that the opponents were so catastrophically wrong about the Iraq War, no one should listen to their advice today.

I agree with this basic argument, of course, but opponents of the deal do have one line of defense against the "Wrong on Iraq, Wrong on Iran" meme. It is possible someone could have been dead wrong about the wisdom of invading Iraq in 2003, but nonetheless be correct to oppose the nuclear deal with Iran today. None of us is infallible, and it is at least conceivable that Bill Kristol, Elliott Abrams, James Woolsey, Fred Hiatt, Max Boot, et al. could have blown it big-time in 2002 - but be absolutely right this time around.

Conceivable, I suppose, but highly unlikely. Why? Because their views in 2002 aren't independent from the views they're expressing today. On the contrary, their earlier support for the Iraq War and their opposition to the Iran deal stem from the basic neoconservative worldview that informs their entire approach to foreign policy.

To be more specific, the problem isn't that these people just happened to be embarrassingly wrong about Iraq. After all, plenty of other people were equally misguided back then, including many people who now support the deal today. Nor is the problem the neocons' stubborn and morally dubious refusal to admit they were wrong and take responsibility for the lives and money they squandered.

No, the real problem is that the neoconservative worldview - one that still informs the thinking of many of the groups and individuals who are most vocal in opposing the Iran deal - is fundamentally flawed. Getting Iraq wrong wasn't just an unfortunate miscalculation, it happened because their theories of world politics were dubious and their understanding of how the world works was goofy.

When your strategic software is riddled with bugs, you should expect a lot of error messages.

What are the main flaws that consistently lead neoconservatives astray?

  1. For starters, neoconservatives think balance-of-power politics doesn't really work in international affairs and that states are strongly inclined to "bandwagon" instead. In other words, they think weaker states are easy to bully and never stand up to powerful adversaries. Their faulty logic follows that other states will do whatever Washington dictates provided we demonstrate how strong and tough we are. This belief led them to conclude that toppling Saddam would send a powerful message and cause other states in the Middle East to kowtow to us. If we kept up the pressure, our vast military power would quickly transform the region into a sea of docile pro-American democracies.

    What happened, alas, was that the various states we were threatening didn't jump on our bandwagon. Instead, they balanced and then took steps to make sure we faced significant and growing resistance. In particular, Syria and Iran (the next two states on the neocons' target list), cooperated even further with each other and helped aid the anti-American insurgency in Iraq itself. Neocons were outraged by this behavior, but it shouldn't have surprised anyone who understood Realism 101. At the same time, long-standing U.S. allies were upset by our actions and distanced themselves from us or else they took advantage of our excesses and free-rode at our expense. In short, the neoconservatives' belief that the United States could browbeat and intimidate others into doing our bidding was dead wrong.

    Today, of course, opposition to the Iran deal reflects a similar belief that forceful resolve would enable Washington to dictate whatever terms it wants. As I've written before, this idea is the myth of a "better deal." Because neocons assume states are attracted to strength and easy to intimidate, they think rejecting the deal, ratcheting up sanctions, and threatening war will cause Iran's government to finally cave in and dismantle its entire enrichment program. On the contrary, walking away from the deal will stiffen Iran's resolve, strengthen its hard-liners, increase its interest in perhaps actually acquiring a nuclear weapon someday, and cause the other members of the P5+1 to part company with the United States.

  2. The neoconservative worldview also exaggerates the efficacy of military force and downplays the value of diplomacy. Military force is an essential component of national power, of course, but neocons tend to see it as a magical tool that can accomplish all sorts of wonderful things (such as the creation of workable democracies) for which it is not really designed. In reality, military force is a crude instrument whose effects are hard to foresee and one which almost always produces unintended consequences (see under: Libya, Yemen, Somalia, Pakistan, etc.). So it was in Iraq, and the results of a direct military conflict with Iran would be equally unpredictable.

    Moreover, neocons believe military force is a supple tool that can be turned on and off like a spigot. If the United States uses force and things go badly, they seem to think the nation can just pull out quickly and live to fight another day. But that's not how things work in the real world of politics: Once forces are committed, the military brass will demand the chance to win a clear victory, and politicians will worry about the nation's prestige and their own political fortunes. The conflicts in Afghanistan, Iraq, Yemen, and Somalia should remind us that it's a lot easier to get into wars than it is to get out of them, but that lesson has been lost on most neoconservatives.

  3. Third, the neoconservatives have a simplistic and ahistorical view of democracy itself. They claim their main goal is spreading freedom and democracy (except for Palestinians, of course), but they have no theory to explain how this will happen or how toppling a foreign government with military force will magically cause democracy to emerge. Instead, they believe the desire to live in freedom is hardwired into human DNA, and all one has to do is remove the bad guys at the top. Once they are gone, the now-liberated population will forget past grievances, form political parties, embrace tolerance, line up for orderly elections, accept the resulting outcomes willingly, and offer grateful thanks to Uncle Sam.

    It would be nice if that Pollyannaish scenario were accurate, but such views betray near-total ignorance of the prerequisites for meaningful democracy and the actual history of democratic growth in the West itself. In fact, the development of liberal democracy was a long, contentious, imperfect, and often violent process in Western Europe and North America, and anyone familiar with that history would have known the neocons' formula for democratic change was doomed from the start.

  4. Fourth, as befits a group of armchair ideologues whose primary goal has been winning power inside the Beltway, neoconservatives are often surprisingly ignorant about the actual conditions of the countries whose politics and society they want to transform. Hardly any neoconservatives knew very much about Iraq before the United States invaded - if they had, they might have reconsidered the whole scheme - and their characterizations of Iran today consist of scary caricatures bearing little resemblance to Iran's complicated political and social reality. In addition to flawed theories, in short, the neoconservative worldview also depends on an inaccurate reading of the facts on the ground.

  5. Last but not least, the neoconservatives' prescriptions for U.S. foreign policy are perennially distorted by a strong attachment to Israel, which Max Boot (and others) have described as a "key tenet" of the entire movement. There's nothing wrong with such attachments per se, of course, but it has crippled their ability to give sensible policy advice to U.S. politicians. In particular, neoconservatives tend to believe that what's good for Israel is good for the United States - and vice versa - which is why they see no conflict between their attachment to Israel and their loyalty to the United States. But no two states have identical interests all the time, and when the interests of two countries conflict, people who feel strongly about both are forced to decide which of these feelings is going to take priority.

Over the past few weeks, some proponents of the deal have pointed out - correctly - that some opponents don't like the deal because they think it is bad for Israel and because the Netanyahu government is dead set against it. As one might expect, pointing out these obvious facts has led some opponents of the deal to accuse proponents (including President Obama) of anti-Semitism. But as Lara Friedman, J.J. Goldberg, and Peter Beinart have made clear, this charge is absurd, even laughable. Among other things, it appears a majority of American Jews support the deal - and so do plenty of distinguished figures in Israel's own national security establishment. If anything, it is Netanyahu's efforts to persuade American Jews that it is their duty to support him, rather than their own president, that echoes those hateful anti-Semitic canards about "dual loyalty."

Instead of being a serious criticism, this familiar smear is really just a way to change the subject and to put proponents of the deal on the defensive for pointing out the obvious. Fortunately, in this case the charge just doesn't seem to be sticking, and its appearance is just another sign that opponents don't have rational arguments or solid evidence to justify their opposition.

The bottom line: The fact that the neoconservatives, AIPAC, the Conference of Presidents, and other groups in the Israel lobby were wrong about the Iraq War does not by itself mean that they are necessarily wrong about the Iran deal. But when you examine their basic views on world politics and their consistent approach to U.S. Middle East policy, it becomes clear this is not a coincidence at all. Support for the Iraq War and opposition to the Iran deal flow from the same flawed premises, and that's why following their advice today would be as foolish as it was back in 2003.

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I take a much narrower view as to what motivates neocons-it definitely is not ideology. They have infiltrated most of the "think" tanks, they have infiltrated many of the cabinet level departments, and have infiltrated all levels of political activity. To me, that indicates a hunger for power and money and it has been very successful. Huge sums of money support these people and their constant push for war. Finally, it is all orchestrated my Netanyahu and the Likuds. The neocons and their AIPAC, WaPo, et al take their script from Netanyahu and because of the money and their positioning in the Foreign Policy establishment, it seems impossible to counteract. Indeed, depressing and tragic for the United States.
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I think it is a mistake to throw all of these positions and policies altogether. Actually, opposition to the treaty may seem bipolar because of the political marketing by the Administration. But there are varied rationales: Some people are against the deal deal because they do not trust Iran under any circumstances. Some are against the deal because we could have negotiated a better deal. Some want more compensation for past Iranian transgressions. Some believe that the treaty is too open ended and allows nuclear development too soon. Some Americans do not believe that you should make a treaty with a nation unless they release your hostages. Some see that Iran has problems and we should not let them off the hook so easily. The best argument for the treaty is that sanctions are weakening anyway. To believe that the treaty will make Iran a better citizen is similar to the belief if you make Iraq a democracy, this will lead to a better world. The Neocons are similar to the people who support the treaty. They are idealistic and probably making the world worse.
exMod 27
Why does everyone expect the US to carry the weight? What is in our National Interest? Israel and the Sunni Arab/Turks want a weaker Persia/Shia/Iran so they can dominate the region. A weak Iran means a weak Syria and a weaker Shia presence in the region. (looking at you Hizbollah). That is why a good number of Arabs and Jews oppose the deal. They don't want ANY deal that lifts sanctions on Iran. So, where does that leave the US? 10 years ago, with oil prices sky high, we would have to back the Sauds. 30 years ago, with the Great Bear still running around, we would have to backed the Israelis. Today? Oil is flowing and Putin is driving Russia into a ditch. What is in our National Interest? Commerce. I don't understand today's Republican party. Led by fools.
WilliamSantiago
BDL2010 is correct: "You could say the same thing about liberals." My bet is that Prof Walt would have supported any deal coming out the Obama Administration. So I challenge him to state exactly what the minimum deal with Iran would have been that he would find unacceptable.

I note 2 points of logic: (i) The notion of "the myth of a better deal" is a contrary-to-fact conditional. There is no way to know if Prof. Walt is correct especially has he has provided no evidence that a better deal could not have been or could not be forthcoming. (ii) It's simply name calling to label an opposing point of view a "myth," then define what strawman necons believe as that myth, then knock down the strawman (with little evidence even for this poor task).

Further, I note an interesting aspect of the deal that even the most neophyte negotiator would have avoided. We gave away for certain the only lever we had (the sanctions) in return for a promise to be fulfilled in the future. And we found out this week that a major portion of the promise will be verified by our opponent in the negotiation. "This used car is in fine shape. Buy it now and I'll come over tomorrow and verify that there isn't sawdust in the transmission."

Prof. Walt is entitled to his opinion. But intellectual honesty requires that he pressure test his opinion by finding the best, not the worst or vaguest arguments against his conclusion instead of setting up strawmen and knocking them down. Unfortunately, setting up strawmen is a favorite tactic of our commander in chief.

bdl2010
More political BS. You could say the same thing about liberals. Case in point, how is Libya going? How about Syria? Right now there is a major refugee crisis due to instability in both of these nations. In one we took action and in the other we failed to. So if you want to pen an article about how neo-cons are always wrong then you need to follow it up with how liberals are not always right either. I'd hope that at some point in the future we would start to realize that we need a foreign policy that transcends political parties. When other nations look at our policies they see that it is America that is enacting it. They do not see Republicans or Democrats to blame. It's due time for us all to grow the hell up and get our act together.
samamerco
I disagree in one main point. While most politicians consider the results of the war in Iraq to be negative, neocons see the same results as positive. It removed a major threat to Israel (Saddam) and caused unending social upheaval in the countries surrounding it that continues today. The neocons also see a similar result of war with Iran as positive from the Israeli point view. Who really cares about the interests of the United States?
Xenophon
@samamerco Well stated and right on the mark.
Mark Thomason
This is a wonderfully clear explanation of a very complex subject, a real tour de force.

I'd add two smaller points.

One, it is hard to get out once we start a war, even when we win. WW2 was as overwhelming a win, unconditional surrender, as one could ever hope to get. Yet after all these years, we are still in Germany, Italy, and Japan, and we are in them because of WW2 and how we ended it. Once in, we couldn't get out even by total victory.

Two, while come neocons may believe in spreading democracy, they did not act as if that was their goal when they had the chance. They imposed government, and supervised the "election" of puppets. It was more like lip service cover for another goal we know was close to the heart of the leaders: make the Middle East safe for Israel no matter what it does, even for continued expansion and a Greater Israel. American power was misused to do that, and it failed as completely as did the excuse of bringing democracy.

Jinzo
Most people that oppose this deal have legitimate reasons for doing so, obviously there are some that just don't want a deal full stop for selfish reasons. Obama and Kerry have not come even close at all to a deal of any resemblance to what they initially set out to achieve for the American people. Despite Obamas rhetoric about "its this deal or war", I doubt anyone can seriously contemplate Obama of all people starting a war with Iran and the next president will be faced with the fact that Iran is no feable Iraq, not that Iraq itself have been a walk in the park. The talk that "if this deal is rejected that our European allies will ease sanctions unilaterally" totally overlooks the fact they these same allies applied sanctions on Russia which is much more costly to them then the Iran sanctions are. Lifting the UN restrictions on military equipment and missile technology has to be changed, this should only happen if Iran proves it has stopped their state sponsorship of terrorism, also Iran been allowed to provide their own samples to the international inspectors to verify that they haven't been cheating in the past is just unbelievable, mind boggling, how could anyone think this is acceptable? Imagine an athlete that was suspended for taking drugs being allowed to provide his own urine samples to the sports league. Imagine a criminal in the court of law being the only person to submit evidence of his own guilt or innocence. Imagine if the police pullied over a intoxicated driver, only to let him go cause he said "he hadn't been drinking", but you don't have to imagine something so ridiculous cause this kind of circus act is exactly what's now playing out between Iran and the IAEA. There has to be a better deal then this poor excuse of a 'deal'.
Mark Thomason
@Jinzo "Most people that oppose this deal have legitimate reasons for doing so"

No, they don't.

Negotiators rarely get all of their initial demands. Anyway, "what they set out to achieve" is here defined as what Netanyahu dreamed of getting, not Obama's real goals.

Toot Sweet
They are wrong so often because they are ideologues. And like all ideologues, they are dogmatic and care little for facts, criticism, or compromise. For them, the ends justify the means which explains why they distort and dissemble with great ease, and never apologize.
Anise
So, neo-cons are ignorant bullies who are killing the rest of us. How do we stop them?
Ggee
This piece is just like the neo-cons: sometimes right, sometimes wrong.

In the end, though, it always comes down to straining for the opportunity to lambaste Israel. Even when the President flips out and attacks his detractors as war-mongers in league with the Iranian Revolutionary Guard; when hordes of pro-deal lobbyists representing every P5+1nation descend on Capital Hill (as is their right); when virtually every western nation already has sent representatives in the last few weeks to negotiate commercial deals with Tehran even before the mullahs have demonstrated good faith; even as morally neutered "realist" academics spout off while drenched with the blood of hundreds of thousands of Syrian and other innocents but continue to sit in judgment of their inferiors -- even with all that and so much more, it's always the right time to attack Israel.

The writer is always very busy telling us not only that Israel is a big drag on the U.S., but now offers psychological analysis that Israel's supporters are clinically incapable of having well considered opinions that differ from his own, notwithstanding abundant proof of his own impenetrable bias. Which is to say, what a load of crap.

bpuharic -> Ggee
You didn't read the article. What he said was the right has a power fetish. That's why neocons get it wrong
ozziem
@Ggee

RE:

In the end, though, it always comes down to straining for the opportunity to lambaste Israel.

It seems abundantly obvious that your are among the people who places Israel's interests ahead of those of the United States. Why don't you just move there?

Chris F

"The logic of the pro-deal camp is simple: Given that the opponents were so catastrophically wrong about the Iraq War, no one should listen to their advice today." Mr. Walt, this is a logical fallacy and you should have been done with it when you admitted so. Though you acknowledge the fallacy, you still go on to defend it. You never got specific on how "these people just happened to be embarrassingly wrong about Iraq" but I guess you mean the WMD. True, no nukes were found, but lots and lots of other weapons, including chemical weapons, were found. The New York Times did a huge report on this.

So, your assertion that we shouldn't listen to opponents of the deal because they were wrong on Iraq is highly debatable, and if that's what support for the Iran deal rests on, the case is very weak indeed.

As for the neo-con worldview question, occupation has worked pretty well in Japan, South Korea, Germany and others in the long run, so one could be forgiven for looking at the long line of overall successes and thinking it would work in Iraq if we were honest and clear about what we were going to do with Iraq - that is undertake a multi-generational transformation of Iraqi society through occupation. It should also be remembered that there was a lot of support for the US enforcing UN resolutions as part of the Iraq invasion. If the neo-cons were so wrong and we can't listen to them now, then ditto for the Democrats who supported the war and the countries in the UN who also supported it.

"This belief led them to conclude that toppling Saddam would send a powerful message and cause other states in the Middle East to kowtow to us." Also debatable. Qaddafi saw what happened in Iraq and gave up his weapons program. Even Kim Jong Il was reportedly freaked out as he watched the invasion. We'll never know how things could have been shaped if the US was consistent in its mission.

"Among other things, it appears a majority of American Jews support the deal - and so do plenty of distinguished figures in Israel's own national security establishment." Of course, there will be some people on both sides. But this is a rare moment when the Israeli left and right, Jew and Arab, are in overwhelming agreement over how bad the deal is. That is no small feat. As for American Jews, I was at the well attended anti-deal rally in Los Angeles last month and judging by how many different groups showed up, your assertion here is also incorrect. Jews, Arabs, Christians, Democrats, Republicans, Palestinians, Israelis and gay activists all showed up and all were against the deal. This is LA, the biggest home of liberal Jews outside of NYC.

I also saw Ted Cruz speak at one of the largest Persian Jewish synagogues in LA (maybe the country) last month. The place was over capacity and the fire marshal showed up. The subject was the Iran deal and Cruz got multiple standing ovations. Again, we're talking about liberal Jewish LA. So, you may have read a few articles by Jews who support the deal, but I have seen up close thousands of American Jews in liberal LA, many of them Iranian, who are disgusted with this deal.

[Aug 27, 2015] Oil Industry Needs Half a Trillion Dollars to Endure Price Slump

"...Debt repayments will increase for the rest of the decade, with $72 billion maturing this year, about $85 billion in 2016 and $129 billion in 2017, according to BMI Research. About $550 billion in bonds and loans are due for repayment over the next five years."
"... In the U.S., the number of bonds yielding greater than 10 percent has increased more than fourfold to 80 over the past year, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. Twenty-six European oil companies have bonds in that category, including Gulf Keystone Petroleum Ltd. and EnQuest Plc."
"...Some earnings metrics are already breaching the lows of the 2008 financial crisis. The profit margin for the 108-member MSCI World Energy Sector Index, which includes Exxon Mobil Corp. and Chevron Corp., is the lowest since at least 1995, the earliest for when data is available."
"...Credit-rating downgrades are putting additional strain on the ability of oil companies to raise money cheaply. Standard & Poor's cut the rating of Eni SpA, Italy's biggest oil company, in April while Moody's Investors Service downgraded Tullow Oil Plc's debt in March."
"...The biggest companies, with global portfolios that span oil fields to refineries, will probably emerge largely intact from the slump, Norton Rose's Wood said. Smaller players, dependent on fewer assets, could have problems, she said."
Aug 27, 2015 | Bloomberg Business

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"The look and shape of the oil industry would likely change over the next five to 10 years as companies emerge from this," Wood said. "If oil prices stay at these levels, the number of bankruptcies and distress deals will undoubtedly increase."

Debt repayments will increase for the rest of the decade, with $72 billion maturing this year, about $85 billion in 2016 and $129 billion in 2017, according to BMI Research. About $550 billion in bonds and loans are due for repayment over the next five years.

U.S. drillers account for 20 percent of the debt due in 2015, Chinese companies rank second with 12 percent and U.K. producers represent 9 percent.

In the U.S., the number of bonds yielding greater than 10 percent has increased more than fourfold to 80 over the past year, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. Twenty-six European oil companies have bonds in that category, including Gulf Keystone Petroleum Ltd. and EnQuest Plc.

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Slumping crude prices are diminishing the value of oil reserves and reducing borrowing power, even as pressure builds to find replacement fields.

Some earnings metrics are already breaching the lows of the 2008 financial crisis. The profit margin for the 108-member MSCI World Energy Sector Index, which includes Exxon Mobil Corp. and Chevron Corp., is the lowest since at least 1995, the earliest for when data is available.

"There are several credits which simply won't be able to refinance and extend maturities and they may need to raise additional equity," said Eirik Rohmesmo, a credit analyst at Clarksons Platou Securities AS in Oslo. "The question is: Would they be able to do that with debt at these levels?"

Credit Ratings

Some U.S. producers gained breathing space by leveraging their low-cost assets to raise funds earlier this year and repay debt, Goldman Sachs Group Inc. wrote in a Aug. 6 report. This helped companies shore up their capital and reduce debt-servicing costs.

That may no longer be an option because energy companies have been the worst performers in the past year among 10 industry groups in the MSCI World Index.

Credit-rating downgrades are putting additional strain on the ability of oil companies to raise money cheaply. Standard & Poor's cut the rating of Eni SpA, Italy's biggest oil company, in April while Moody's Investors Service downgraded Tullow Oil Plc's debt in March.

Spokesmen for Eni and Tullow declined to comment.

The biggest companies, with global portfolios that span oil fields to refineries, will probably emerge largely intact from the slump, Norton Rose's Wood said. Smaller players, dependent on fewer assets, could have problems, she said.

"Clearly, those companies with debt to pay will have one eye firmly on oil prices," said Christopher Haines, a senior oil and gas analyst at BMI in London. "With revenues collapsing and debt soon to mature, a growing number of companies may find themselves unable to meet repayment schedules."

Oil Prices Driven Lower By Everything Except Fundamentals

By Leonard Brecken

"...According to Reuters, 50 to 60 hedge funds have taken short positions that account for around 160 million barrels of oil in near term contracts. In fact, the amount of short positions in oil options and futures now exceeds levels in the great financial meltdown of 2008, believe it or not, despite talk of a good economy and the Fed needing to raise interest rates. Madness, right?"
"...All these things still don't explain the panic in oil markets other than financially driven events that aren't directly tied to the supply and demand of oil which, as I stated, has improved vs. the start of 2015. "
Aug 24, 2015 | OilPrice.com

It is clear that it is no longer supply and demand for oil that is dictating the price but is instead the financial markets and more importantly money flows tied to central bank policy.

Bearish sentiment in the oil markets is taking over as net short positions near record highs. According to Reuters, 50 to 60 hedge funds have taken short positions that account for around 160 million barrels of oil in near term contracts. In fact, the amount of short positions in oil options and futures now exceeds levels in the great financial meltdown of 2008, believe it or not, despite talk of a good economy and the Fed needing to raise interest rates. Madness, right?

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Fundamentally, almost every bear case presented by the media in 2015 has been proven false. Doomsday events such as rig count (vertical rigs being dropped vs. horizontal), Cushing overflowing, China demand slowing, to Iran floating storage of 50 million barrels being unleashed, U.S. production rising, have all been dispelled.

In fact, as I said, the fundamentals have even improved as U.S. production has entered into decline, crude stocks have been drawing down since the spring, and demand for gasoline is at record highs (much higher vs. expectations going into 2015). Furthermore, the worries on Iran are completely overblown given that the hype on floating storage – the millions of barrels of crude oil sitting in tankers turned out to be low quality condensate that is hard to process. Also, the 500,000 to 1 million barrels per day (mb/d) increase tied to the nuclear deal will be absorbed by higher demand, which has averaged 1 million barrels or more each year (in 2015, it has been even higher than that; closer to 1.4 mb/d or higher).

Furthermore, China alone will add 600,000 barrels per day in refinery capacity, as it allows independent refineries to process oil. What has been incrementally negative has been additional capacity added by Iraq and Saudi Arabia since the start 2015. However, aside from Iran, OPEC doesn't have any spare capacity left and, Saudi Arabia has already announced intentions of reducing output by 200,000-300,000 barrels per day post their seasonally strong domestic period.

Yet even though the dollar has weakened recently, oil has still collapsed some 35 percent. The E&P equities have fallen even further as in addition to shorts, there are also pressing bets on the upcoming fall credit redetermination and hedge funds taking positions in E&P bonds while shorting equities.

All these things still don't explain the panic in oil markets other than financially driven events that aren't directly tied to the supply and demand of oil which, as I stated, has improved vs. the start of 2015. In fact, demand is soaring while days of supply are improving dramatically as evidenced by the charts the charts below:

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Leonard Brecken, Brecken Capital LLC. Leonard is a portfolio manager and principal at Brecken Capital LLC, a hedge fund focused on domestic equities

[Aug 27, 2015] Oil Prices Must Rebound. Here's Why

OilPrice.com

You can see two things on this chart, the first is that when capacity exceeds demand, prices are low (and vice versa); the second is that, since about 2005, despite the oil price being rather high, outside North America the world has struggled to add any oil production capacity at all. In fact, since 2010 oil production capacity outside North America has been in decline. If it weren't for the USA & Canada, where production growth has been driven by LTO & SAGD, we would have been in a right pickle.

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In the short term, the oil market is in the doldrums and projects are being delayed or cancelled, left right and center. That will mean that, outside North America, oil production capacity will decline even faster and with the growth knocked out of the shale producers and SAGD projects being put on the back burner, it is only a matter of months before demand starts to exceed world oil production capacity again.

A nasty recession might put a dent in demand growth and turn those months into quarters, but eventually capacity will wane, demand will wax, and the oil price will climb once again.

In fact if traders looked hard at these charts they might wonder if the continued weakness in the 2022 Brent Oil future was a tad overdone. For this time, I think the price response might be even stronger and more sustained than before.

[Aug 27, 2015] Oil markets catch breath after biggest gains in six years

"A short covering rally, led by crude oil pushed commodities higher across the board. Better than expected U.S. GDP numbers was the main spark, although the force majeure on BP's exports from Nigeria extended the gains," ANZ said in a note on Friday morning.

"The recovery in commodity prices looks fragile with concerns over China's growth still weighing on market activity," the bank added.

The U.S. economy grew faster than initially thought in the second quarter on solid domestic demand. Gross domestic product expanded at a 3.7 percent annual pace instead of the 2.3 percent rate reported last month, the Commerce Department said on Thursday in its second GDP estimate for the April-June period.

Shell's Nigerian unit, Shell Petroleum Development Company (SPDC), declared force majeure on Bonny Light crude oil exports on Thursday after shutting down two key pipelines in the country due to a leak and theft.

China's falling auto sales have been at the forefront of concerns that its economy is slowing much faster than expected, weighing on oil prices.

Venezuela has been contacting other members of the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC), pushing for an emergency meeting with Russia to come up with a plan to stop the global oil price rout, the Wall Street Journal reported.

[Aug 26, 2015]Peter Schiff The market's 'pipe dream' is ending

"For awhile, people thought that the stock market can handle higher interest rates. That was just a pipe dream. They can't," Schiff said Tuesday on CNBC's " Futures Now ." "That's the only thing propping up the market."

[Aug 25, 2015] Oil rallies but still near six-and-a-half-year lows

U.S. crude <CLc1>, also known at West Texas Intermediate or WTI, was up $1.40 at $39.64 a barrel by 1320 GMT, while Brent <LCOc1> was up $1.50 at $44.19.

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Several members of the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries are producing record volumes of oil in an attempt to squeeze out competition.

Adding to supply glut concerns, OPEC member Iran said on Tuesday it would increase crude production and reclaim its lost export share after international sanctions are lifted, even if prices remain low.

gigi

This is what causes high prices in gas and makes the 10% rich.

The Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000 Signed by Bill Clinton was ® Senator Phil Gramm's desire to prevent the SEC from regulating swaps, and against CFTC regulation preventing "bank products." derivatives passed allowing banks to invest in risky OIL and farm commodities such as corn, wheat and soybeans Driving the prices up for the consumer and creating large profits for a few people and doing nothing for 90% of the people. Thus SPECULATION in the futures trades in commodities OIL , paper trades, was made possible and is a main driver for higher PRICES at the pump and in groceries at the store. This was good for 10% of America and HURT 90% of of the people and we still are feeling the effects every day!

Wrekins

coincidentally, phil gramm's wife worked at the CFTC and puhsed for deregulation that Enron was lobbying for, and then later GRamm's wife left the CFTC and joined the board of directors of Enron. Somehow they managed to stay out of jail. Incredible. As corrupt as the day is long. "Serving their country"

Rudy

that was "better self service".

[Aug 25, 2015] Bulls back in charge; Intervention the 'new normal'; Hollywood's China love story

Braden

A bounce back to pre-correction levels will prove once and for all that the 1% are completely manipulating the Casino through the use of the media for their gain. It would mean that the news about China and the world markets was somehow false. Why would the market correct and then go back up within a week unless it were pure manipulation? We shall see. This is a real test as to how rigged the game really is. We have not had a correction like this in about 4 years and I don't see how the market continues to march upward based on the reasons it just corrected unless they are false.

[Aug 25, 2015] Oil Traders Race for Cover as Light at End of Tunnel Dims

Bloomberg Business

The most active WTI options Monday were October $35 puts, which surged 38 cents to 66 cents a barrel on volume of 14,240 lots. It was the highest price since April. The second-most active were November $30 puts, with 8,138 contracts trading.

The so-called skew, measuring the premium for December 25-delta put options versus 25-delta calls, almost doubled in the past two trading sessions.

WTI crude for October delivery fell $2.21, or 5.5 percent, to $38.24 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange Monday. It was the lowest settlement since Feb. 18, 2009. The December contract fell 5.4 percent to $39.65. Tuesday, October futures rose $1.37, or 3.6 percent, to $39.61 at 9:22 a.m.

The Chicago Board Options Exchange Crude Oil Volatility Index surged 12 percent to highest level since April. The gauge measures hedging costs on the United States Oil Fund LP, an exchange-traded fund tracking crude futures. Shares of the ETF dropped 5.6 percent to $12.49.

[Aug 25, 2015] Out in the Real World, Oil Market Is Much Better Than It Looks

Aug 25, 2015 | Bloomberg Business

The global oil market is healthier than it looks, signaling that crude's plunge to six-year lows has probably gone too far.

While futures tumbled below $45 a barrel in London for the first time since 2009, Morgan Stanley and Standard Chartered Plc say other measures suggest physical markets for crude have stabilized or even strengthened in recent weeks. China, the world's second-biggest oil consumer, will keep buying extra barrels to fill its strategic reserve this year, according to Goldman Sachs Group Inc.

"While oil fundamentals aren't strong, physical markets do not corroborate the substantial weakness in flat price," New York-based Morgan Stanley analyst Adam Longson said in a report Monday. The "latest oil pricing pressure appears more financial than physical."

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The gap between the price of the first-month Brent contract, October, and futures for settlement 12 months forward hasn't widened enough over the past few weeks to suggest the world is running out of space to store crude, according to Longson. The spread was more than $11 a barrel in January, compared with about $6 on Tuesday, ICE data show. This suggests the supply surplus is smaller today than it was at the start of the year, said Horsnell.

The spread between Brent and Dubai, the grade used as Asia's regional crude benchmark, is at its narrowest for this time of year in several years, according to Morgan Stanley. This signals continued strength in demand from Asia for Middle Eastern crude, Longson said. Prices for West African crude grades relative to Brent have strengthened in recent weeks, he said.

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"Despite poor headline macro data, most China oil demand data points remain resilient," Longson said. The nation's apparent demand for gasoline rose 17 percent last month, the highest growth rate all year, he said.

The filling of emergency crude reserves in China "gives the market a lifeline" that distinguishes the current situation from the Asian crash of 1998, Jeff Currie, head of commodities research at Goldman Sachs, said in an interview on Bloomberg Television Aug. 21. Brent crude dropped to as low as $9.55 a barrel in December 1998, according to ICE data.

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Another weight lifted from the oil market is the conclusion of Mexico's annual hedging program, Morgan Stanley's Longson said. The Latin American producer locked in 2016 prices for 212 million barrels, its Finance Ministry said on Aug. 20. The biggest hedge undertaken by any national government, the program was an "under-appreciated negative" for prices and its completion "removes a bearish overhang for oil," he said.


[Aug 25, 2015] Norway's Oil Minister Says Crude Price at $40 Can't Last

Bloomberg Business

Crude at $40 a barrel is unsustainable and prices will have to rise as supply drops out of the market, according to Norway's Oil Minister.

"There has developed a surplus capacity on the production side and the supply side -- the supply side will be reduced in today's oil prices," Tord Lien said in an interview in Oslo on Tuesday. "But $40 oil prices? They are clearly unsustainable in the medium- to long-term."

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"There's no reason to think we will see oil prices last under $55 a barrel but we will have to adjust to lower oil prices," Lien said. "It's important for Norway to make the adjustments and prepare for a lower price-range than we were getting used to."

[Aug 25, 2015] What cheap oil means, and where do prices go from here

Let's take the unassailable good news first: The price of benchmark West Texas Intermediate crude oil recently dipped below $39 a barrel, which is down from $140 in 2008. That's an incredible 72% drop. And, yes, lower oil prices have pushed down gas prices. At $2.60 a gallon, gas is now about a dollar below where it was last year at this time. And it could continue to fall. Some analysts are looking for prices to drop below $2, maybe even down toward $1.60 a gallon, the low during the Great Recession in early 2009. When President Obama predicted in his State of the Union Address in January that "the typical family this year should save $750 at the pump," he was probably right. Multiply that by the nation's 115 million households and you get a total savings of over $86 billion. That's huge.

Lower gas prices help poor people in particular; households with incomes of less than $50,000 spent 21% of their income on energy in 2012, according to analysts at Bank of America Merrill Lynch, while households earning more than $50,000 spent 9%. Additionally, Americans who live in chillier regions like New England and the Midwest could save another $750 or so on energy bills.

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But the biggest problem with cheap oil may well be the destabilizing effect that it can have on oil-dependent nations around the world. Yes, some may cheer the pain Saudi Arabia and other OPEC nations will feel, but they should be careful of what they wish for as a raft of difficulties looms here. There are 19 countries that produce over a million barrels of oil a day, and it's a diverse group, including, of course, the U.S., Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, but also the likes of Brazil, Norway and Angola, and Canada. Each country will have to adjust to less income and lower employment in oil-related businesses. The nation's that stand to lose the most, though, are Russia, Saudi Arabia, Iran and Iraq-in order, the biggest oil exporters in the world.

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bur

Well this was a crock of manure.... A 72% decrease in oil cost only provides approximately a $1 difference at the gas pump??? Who is making all the money? The price at the pump should be around $1.25 at the most. Seems like the oil refineries making fuel are paying significantly less for oil and minimally reducing costs at the pump based on their savings! Also, this whole thing was directed at fuel.

Many of our daily use products (plastics etc.) are petroleum based. Has consumption of those items gone down? Did Coca Cola, Pepsi, etc. quit putting their product in plastic bottles? Did the world quit using plastics over night? Its all an attempt to make the general public feel guilty about low fuel prices.

Give us a small break here. The Middle East has raped the United States for years with the oil prices and we are supposed to feel sorry for them? I don't think so.

Lou

I was pleasantly surprised to read such a sober and balanced article. Cheap energy and lots of it is what has made America the industrial leader of the world. Although low oil prices hurt my income (I am a Petroleum Engineer), easy-to-find-and-produce oil is not unlimited in supply and demand for innovation in oil recovery will continue.

So, I am bullish on Industrial America thriving with these low prices and on the future of the oil industry in meeting future demand. We will not only survive as a nation and as an industry, we will continue to lead the world.

Mica

I see the drop in oil prices this way - everything should be cheaper. Truckers can transport products cheaper. Manufacturers can produce a less expensive product. Travel will be more plentiful because the price of fuel is cheaper. Unemployment will go down because businesses will need to employ more people because the demand will go up. People will have more money to spend.

People don't generally save their money so they will spend more. I'm not really losing sleep over the people struggling in Russia or Saudi Arabia because quite frankly it will be the kings not the general public who will suffer. The general public is suffering already in these countries. As for the people here in the US who work in the oil industry, they have reaped the benefits that we had to pay for so what goes around comes around, Lets face it - there is not an endless supply of oil so the price will soar again.

Joe

Translation: We the left hhhhaaaaattttteeee cheap oil, cheap oil means people are free to do as they please, drive wherever they want, and worst of all drive an SUV!. We MUST put stop to this STAT, quick find someone who will write an article and throw in a bunch of BS that weak minded people with buy into, in other words tell them to ignore common sense and only believe what we tell you. "We are the left you will be assimilated, resistance is futile"

drp

Peak oil was a valid theory. Hubbert was referring to cheap conventional oil. The new oil which has come onto the market as on late amounts to a world surplus of about 3%. Since world demand is about 93 Million BOPD, the 3% represents about 3 MBOPD. The US brought about 4 to 5 million bbls of new expensive unconventional oil online over the past 5 years. The companies that brought that oil online are mostly cashflow negative, and most of them will go broke due to owing more money than they are bringing in. The new shale oil cost more than conventional oil, and the expensive new oil was financed by low interest rates. About 40 million bbls of the world 93 million bbls of demand comes from expensive unconventional oil (such as deep water oil, tar sands, offshore deep water Brazil oil, shale oil, etc.). Once the OPEC countires become unstable to the point where they could lose their regime, they will cut back on production of oil in order to raise the price of crude oil so that they can finance their countries socal programs and finace their armies to protect the regimes which allows the OPEC countries to stay in power and under civil law. Again, the world needs both cheap oil and also unconventional more expensive oil. We do not have enough cheap conventional oil to meet world demand. So, expect the price of world crude oil to increase again once the CAPEX programs that have already been cut result in less oil production. Again, the 5 million bbls of new shale oil that has been brought on the market in the US is not economic, thus prices will have to increase, or this shale oil will not be produced economically and the companies will go out of business. ZIRP -- zero interest rate production cannot last forever, and shale oil, deep water oil, unconventional oil cost more than $40/bbl to produce. Hopefully we will see the need for increased prices in oil so that the price doesnt go up in a whipsaw way, and cause disruptions in production. $65-$80/bbl will be about the price where OPEC might be stable (although their budgets call for about $112 to $86/bbl to remain out of debt and able to remain stable regimes). There is much more to the world oil picture than this articles brings to folks who would like to know. Regards.

Gene

"Another problem with cheap oil, though, is that it will likely derail efforts to develop alternative sustainable energy sources like solar, wind and hydro. These businesses suddenly become uneconomical when the price of oil drops precipitously."

That is a bad argument. Those alternative energy sources were uneconomical and unpractical when oil price was $140 per barrel. We are not ready technologically yet to deliver efficient solution for alternative source of energy, regardless of what Hollywood said. All other arguments such as feeling of Saudi Arabia and other Arabs - are not our "primary" concern at all.

paul

don't let yahoo fool you! What this really means it they cannot pursue further drilling developments without the high price of oil. It cost almost a billion dollars to drill deep and without oil at 80 dollars a barrel they will no longer be able to dig deep. But Alas we have a overflow of oil so why do we need to dig deep still? This is all about big oil not lining their pockets will thousand dollar bills but instead with hundred dollar bills!

[Aug 24, 2015] Why $20 Oil Won't Happen

"...U.S. crude oil production is now falling. The Energy Information Administration (EIA) reported in its most recent Short Term Energy Outlook (STEO) that U.S. crude oil production declined by 100,000 bpd in July compared with June, and they expect these declines to continue because of the steep cuts shale oil producers have made to their budgets. The EIA reduced its forecast for oil production next year to 400,000 bpd less than this year. "
"...Canadian oil producers are in an even deeper bind than U.S. oil producers. A recent article stated that at $40/bbl WTI, Canada's largest synthetic crude project is losing about $10 on every barrel."
Aug 24, 2015 | OilPrice.com
There is no evidence whatsoever to suggest we have bottomed. You could have $15 or $20 oil - easily," influential money manager David Kotok told CNNMoney. "I'm an old goat. I remember when oil was $3 a barrel," said Kotok, whose clients include former New Jersey Governor Thomas Kean.

Yes, and you could get a candy bar and soda for a nickel. But I will bet him $10,000 we don't see WTI at $15/bbl unless he has access to a time machine. Today I want to address this argument. I got into a debate on this topic with a person yesterday, and I am seeing enough of these predictions that I thought it warranted addressing. Again. The $20/bbl argument goes something like this: Crude oil inventories are extremely high. U.S. oil production keeps rising. Demand is falling. Something has to give.

Crude Inventories Did Rise

The problem is that this conventional wisdom argument is wrong on 2 counts. It is true that crude oil inventories are high. Last week there was a surprise build in U.S. crude oil inventories. Analysts were expecting inventories to fall - which they have been doing since April - but instead crude inventories rose by 2.6 million barrels. Following this week's release of the Weekly Petroleum Status Report announcing the surprise build in inventories, I saw more than one person claim "We are definitely going below $40/bbl today."

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Didn't happen. Now it could happen within the next few days. We are close, so one really bad day could drop us below $40, disproving my January prediction that WTI would not close below $40/bbl in 2015. But the price won't stay there because that is well below the marginal cost of production at the current level of world demand. More on that below.

I don't believe the people predicting $20 oil are seeing the whole picture. The person I debated this week essentially argued "High inventories = much lower oil prices." But you have to dig down a bit more than that. Why did inventories rise last week? There were two primary drivers.

The first is that the BP refinery in Whiting, Indiana - one of the largest in the country - is dealing with unexpected maintenance problems. They have 235,000 barrels per day (bpd) of crude oil refining capacity offline. (For those who think this is some sort of conspiracy by BP to drive up gasoline prices, get real. This helps all the other refiners - not BP). So BP didn't consume about 1.6 million barrels of crude during the week that they otherwise would have consumed. Yet inventories rose even more than that. Why? Did U.S. production surge?

U.S. Crude Production is Falling

No, U.S. crude oil production is now falling. The Energy Information Administration (EIA) reported in its most recent Short Term Energy Outlook (STEO) that U.S. crude oil production declined by 100,000 bpd in July compared with June, and they expect these declines to continue because of the steep cuts shale oil producers have made to their budgets. The EIA reduced its forecast for oil production next year to 400,000 bpd less than this year. More on the significance of this below.

So why did inventories increase last week? It was actually because crude oil imports surged. Crude oil imports were 465,000 bpd higher than the previous week. That means 3.3 million barrels more oil came into the country than arrived in the previous week. Add that to the BP outage, and there was a surplus of oil of 4.9 million barrels relative to the previous week. This more than explains the 2.6 million barrel weekly gain in inventories. The question is "Will that continue to happen?"

In my opinion, "No." The BP outage will continue for an indefinite period, but the import surge was an anomaly. Crude imports from Canada surged by 404,000 bpd from the previous week. But guess what? Canadian oil producers are in an even deeper bind than U.S. oil producers. A recent article stated that at $40/bbl WTI, Canada's largest synthetic crude project is losing about $10 on every barrel. How long do you suppose that can continue? The larger producers will hang in as long as they can, but some of the smaller guys are going to be shutting in production at $40 WTI (which implies an even lower price for them due to the distance to market). That will reduce imports from Canada - the very imports that surprisingly drove crude inventories higher this week.

[Aug 23, 2015] Gold Driving Higher: Spec Flambé

"...A short squeeze, also known as speculator flambé."
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"...It requires some 'juice' to get the minions in the media and the pros on the exchanges to all dance to the same tune, and lure the specs in for 'Pee Wee's Big Adventure' with their Big Bad Short, not only on the metals, but the miners, the ETFs, yada yada. "\
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"...Official reports will no doubt cite an excess of animal spirits in the bearish outlook that took them to an excess, and the markets, in their glorious efficiency, were merely reverting to the mean."
What do you get when you add the volatile sauce of a 'flight to safety' to the hot pan of a record net short in the large and small speculators?

A short squeeze, also known as speculator flambé.

They probably caught a lot of the other peoples' money crowd as well, momentum players and the managed mayhem merchants.

But don't blame the poor beleagured goldbugs for this one. They are just glad for a break from the pounding they have been taking.

It requires some 'juice' to get the minions in the media and the pros on the exchanges to all dance to the same tune, and lure the specs in for 'Pee Wee's Big Adventure' with their Big Bad Short, not only on the metals, but the miners, the ETFs, yada yada.

Finger lickin' good. A lot of cool money, and a lot of powerful connections. The grifters giveth to themselves, and the grifters taketh away, from everyone else.

Official reports will no doubt cite an excess of animal spirits in the bearish outlook that took them to an excess, and the markets, in their glorious efficiency, were merely reverting to the mean.

That might be plausible except that it took a lot of energy to drive the futures prices as low as they had gone, starting with that $50 overnight mugging in the quiet early hours of the gold markes few weeks ago. No one sees Mackie Messer, and no one knows.

Especially with China dragging gold in by the tonne. About 302 of them in July according to the second chart below. Nothing to see there, move along.

No one wants a pet rock, until you have to provide the one you sold but didn't have.

And lets not forget about silver. That's in chart three. Plenty of tinder for a short squeeze there.

Or a bonfire of the inanities.

Let's see how far it goes. Is it just a flash in the pan, or the first act in something different.

Must be nearly time to tighten up those margin requirements.

[Aug 23, 2015] Netanyahu pressed for Iran attacks, but was denied: ex-defense chief

Looks like Bibi is a certified warmonger. Something like George Bush of Israel
Aug 23, 2015 | Reuters
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In interviews to his biographers aired late on Friday by Israel's Channel Two, Barak said he and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had wanted military operations against Iranian nuclear facilities in 2010, 2011 and 2012.

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  • In 2010, the Israeli leadership wanted an attack but the military said it did not have "operational capability," said Barak, defense minister between 2007 and 2013, and prime minister in 1999-2001.
  • In 2011, two ministers in a top security forum convened to discuss an attack changed their mind and decided against it, Barak said.
  • In 2012 the timing coincided with a joint military exercise with the United States. "We intended to carry it out," Barak said, but going ahead with an attack on Iran while U.S. forces were conducting the exercise would have been bad timing. "You're asking and demanding America to respect your sovereignty when making a decision to do it even if America objects and it's against her interests, you can't go in the opposite direction and force America in when they're here on a drill that was known ahead of time," Barak said.

Netanyahu's spokesman could not be reached for comment.

[Aug 22, 2015] Propaganda, Intelligence and MH-17 by Ray McGovern

"...Propaganda is the life-blood of life-destroying wars, and the U.S. government has reached new heights (or depths) in this art of perception management"
"...When the tragedy occurred U.S. intelligence collection assets were focused laser-like on the Ukraine-Russia border region where the passenger plane crashed. Besides collection from overhead imagery and sensors, U.S. intelligence presumably would have electronic intercepts of communications as well as information from human sources inside many of the various factions.
That would mean that hundreds of intelligence analysts are likely to have precise knowledge regarding how MH-17 was shot down and by whom. Though there may be some difference of opinion among analysts about how to read the evidence – as there often is – it is out of the question that the intelligence community would withhold this data from President Barack Obama, Secretary of State Kerry and other top officials."
"...The sarin and MH-17 cases reveal the continuing struggles between opportunistic political operatives and professional intelligence analysts over how to deal with geopolitical information that can either inform U.S. foreign policy objectively or be exploited to advance some propaganda agenda. Clearly, this struggle did not end after CIA analysts were pressured into giving President George W. Bush the fraudulent – not "mistaken" – evidence that he used to make the case for invading Iraq in 2003."
"...For now, the rest of us are told to be satisfied with the Sunday media circus orchestrated by Kerry on July 20, 2014, with the able assistance of eager-to-please pundits. A review of the transcripts of the CBS, NBC, and ABC Sunday follies reveals a remarkable – if not unprecedented - consistency in approach by CBS's Bob Schieffer, NBC's David Gregory (ably egged on by Andrea Mitchell), and ABC's George Stephanopoulos, all of whom hewed faithfully to a script apparently given them with two main talking points: (1) blame Putin; and (2) frame the shoot-down as a "wake-up call" (Kerry used the words repeatedly) for European governments to impose tight economic sanctions on Russia."
"...Thus started a new, noxious phase in the burgeoning confrontation between Russia and the West, a crisis that was originally precipitated by a Western-orchestrated coup d'état in Kiev on Feb. 22, 2014, ousting Ukraine's elected President Viktor Yanukovych and touching off the current civil war that has witnessed some of the worst bloodshed inside Europe in decades..
It may seem odd that those European leaders allowed themselves to be snookered so swiftly. Did their own intelligence services not caution them against acquiescing over "intelligence" from social media? But the tidal wave of anti-Putin fury in the MH-17 aftermath was hard if not impossible for any Western politician to resist."

By Ray McGovern. This article was first published on Consortium News.

Propaganda is the life-blood of life-destroying wars, and the U.S. government has reached new heights (or depths) in this art of perception management. A case in point is the media manipulation around last year's Malaysia Airlines shoot-down over Ukraine, says ex-CIA analyst Ray McGovern.

During a recent interview, I was asked to express my conclusions about the July 17, 2014 shoot-down of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 over Ukraine, prompting me to take another hard look at Official Washington's dubious claims – pointing the finger of blame at eastern Ukrainian rebels and Moscow – based on shaky evidence regarding who was responsible for this terrible tragedy.

Unlike serious professional investigative reporters, intelligence analysts often are required by policymakers to reach rapid judgments without the twin luxuries of enough time and conclusive evidence. Having spent almost 30 years in the business of intelligence analysis, I have faced that uncomfortable challenge more times than I wish to remember.

President Barack Obama delivers a statement on the situation in Ukraine, on the South Lawn of the White House, July 29, 2014. (Official White House Photo by Lawrence Jackson)

President Barack Obama delivers a statement on the situation in Ukraine, on the South Lawn of the White House, July 29, 2014. (Official White House Photo by Lawrence Jackson)

So, I know what it feels like to confront issues of considerable consequence like the shoot-down of MH-17 and the killing of 298 passengers and crew amid intense pressure to choreograph the judgments to the propagandistic music favored by senior officials who want the U.S. "enemy" – in this case, nuclear-armed Russia and its Western-demonized President Vladimir Putin – to somehow be responsible. In such situations, the easiest and safest (career-wise) move is to twirl your analysis to the preferred tune or at least sit this jig out.

But the trust-us-it-was-Putin marathon dance has now run for 13 months – and it's getting tiresome to hear the P.R. people in the office of Director of National Intelligence James Clapper still claiming that the U.S. intelligence community has not revised or updated its analysis of the incident since July 22, 2014, just five days after the crash.

Back then, Clapper's office, trying to back up Secretary of State John Kerry's anti-Russian rush to judgment, cited very sketchy evidence – in both senses of the word – drawn heavily from "social media" accounts. Obviously, the high-priced and high-caliber U.S. intelligence community has learned much more about this very sensitive case since that time, but the administration won't tell the American people and the world. The DNI's office still refers inquiring reporters back to the outdated report from more than a year ago.

None of this behavior would make much sense if the later U.S. intelligence data supported the hasty finger-pointing toward Putin and the rebels. If more solid and persuasive intelligence corroborated those initial assumptions, you'd think U.S. government officials would be falling over themselves to leak the evidence and declare "we told you so." And the DNI office's claim that it doesn't want to prejudice the MH-17 investigation doesn't hold water either – since the initial rush to judgment did exactly that.

So, despite the discomfort attached to making judgments with little reliable evidence – and at the risk of sounding like former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld – it seems high time to address what we know, what we don't know, and why it may be that we don't know what we don't know.

Those caveats notwithstanding I would say it is a safe bet that the hard technical intelligence evidence upon which professional intelligence analysts prefer to rely does not support Secretary of State Kerry's unseemly rush to judgment in blaming the Russian side just three days after the shoot-down.

'An Extraordinary Tool'?

When the tragedy occurred U.S. intelligence collection assets were focused laser-like on the Ukraine-Russia border region where the passenger plane crashed. Besides collection from overhead imagery and sensors, U.S. intelligence presumably would have electronic intercepts of communications as well as information from human sources inside many of the various factions.

That would mean that hundreds of intelligence analysts are likely to have precise knowledge regarding how MH-17 was shot down and by whom. Though there may be some difference of opinion among analysts about how to read the evidence – as there often is – it is out of the question that the intelligence community would withhold this data from President Barack Obama, Secretary of State Kerry and other top officials.

Thus, it is a virtual certainty that the Obama administration has far more conclusive evidence than the "social media" cited by Kerry in casting suspicions on the rebels and Moscow when he made the rounds of Sunday talk shows just three days after the crash. On NBC's "Meet the Press," Kerry told David Gregory that "social media" is an "extraordinary tool." The question is, a tool for what?

The DNI report two days later rehashed many of the "social media" references that Kerry cited and added some circumstantial evidence about Russia providing other forms of military equipment to the rebels. But the DNI report contains no mention of Russia supplying a Buk anti-aircraft missile system that Kerry and the DNI cited as the suspected weapon that downed the plane.

So, why does the administration continue refusing to go beyond such dubious sources and shaky information in attributing blame for the shoot-down? Why not fill in the many blanks with actual and hard U.S. intelligence data that would have been available and examined over the following days and weeks? Did the Russians supply a Buk or other missile battery that would be capable of hitting MH-17 flying at 33,000 feet? Yes or no.

If not supplied by the Russians, did the rebels capture a Buk or similar missile battery from the Ukrainians who had them in their own inventory? Or did some element of the Ukrainian government – possibly associated with one of Ukraine's corrupt oligarchs – fire the missile, either mistaking the Malaysian plane for a Russian one or calculating how the tragedy could be played for propaganda purposes? Or was it some other sinister motive?

Without doubt, the U.S. government has evidence that could support or refute any one of those possibilities, but it won't tell you even in some declassified summary form. Why? Is it somehow unpatriotic to speculate that John Kerry, with his checkered reputation for truth-telling regarding Syria and other foreign crises, chose right off the bat to turn the MH-17 tragedy to Washington's propaganda advantage, an exercise in "soft power" to throw Putin on the defensive and rally Europe behind U.S. economic sanctions to punish Russia for supporting ethnic Russians in Crimea and eastern Ukraine resisting the new U.S.-arranged political order in Kiev?

By taking a leaf out of the Bush-Cheney-Tony-Blair playbook, Kerry could "fix the intelligence around the policy" of Putin-bashing. Given the anti-Putin bias rampant in the mainstream Western media, that wouldn't be a hard sell. And, it wasn't. The "mainstream" stenographers/journalists quickly accepted that "social media" was indeed a dandy source to rely on – and have never pressed the U.S. government to release any of its intelligence data.

Yet, in the immediate aftermath of the MH-17 shoot-down, there were signs that honest intelligence analysts were not comfortable letting themselves be used as they and other colleagues had been before the invasion of Iraq in 2003.

To buttress Kerry's shaky case, DNI Clapper arranged a flimsy "Government Assessment" – reprising many of Kerry's references to "social media" – that was briefed to a few hand-picked Establishment reporters two days after Kerry starred on Sunday TV. The little-noticed distinction was that this report was not the customary "Intelligence Assessment" (the genre that has been de rigueur in such circumstances in the past).

The key difference between the traditional "Intelligence Assessment" and this relatively new creation, a "Government Assessment," is that the latter genre is put together by senior White House bureaucrats or other political appointees, not senior intelligence analysts. Another significant difference is that an "Intelligence Assessment" often includes alternative views, either in the text or in footnotes, detailing disagreements among intelligence analysts, thus revealing where the case may be weak or in dispute.

The absence of an "Intelligence Assessment" suggested that honest intelligence analysts were resisting a knee-jerk indictment of Russia – just as they did after the first time Kerry pulled this "Government Assessment" arrow out of his quiver trying to stick the blame for an Aug. 21, 2013 sarin gas attack outside Damascus on the Syrian government.

Kerry cited this pseudo-intelligence product, which contained not a single verifiable fact, to take the United States to the brink of war against President Bashar al-Assad's military, a fateful decision that was only headed off at the last minute after President Barack Obama was made aware of grave doubts among U.S. intelligence analysts about whodunit. Kerry's sarin case has since collapsed. [See Consortiumnews.com's "The Collapsing Syria-Sarin Case."]

The sarin and MH-17 cases reveal the continuing struggles between opportunistic political operatives and professional intelligence analysts over how to deal with geopolitical information that can either inform U.S. foreign policy objectively or be exploited to advance some propaganda agenda. Clearly, this struggle did not end after CIA analysts were pressured into giving President George W. Bush the fraudulent – not "mistaken" – evidence that he used to make the case for invading Iraq in 2003.

But so soon after that disgraceful episode, the White House and State Department run the risk that some honest intelligence analysts would blow the whistle, especially given the dangerously blasé attitude in Establishment Washington toward the dangers of escalating the Ukraine confrontation with nuclear-armed Russia. Given the very high stakes, perhaps an intelligence professional or two will summon the courage to step up to this challenge.

Falling in Line

For now, the rest of us are told to be satisfied with the Sunday media circus orchestrated by Kerry on July 20, 2014, with the able assistance of eager-to-please pundits. A review of the transcripts of the CBS, NBC, and ABC Sunday follies reveals a remarkable – if not unprecedented - consistency in approach by CBS's Bob Schieffer, NBC's David Gregory (ably egged on by Andrea Mitchell), and ABC's George Stephanopoulos, all of whom hewed faithfully to a script apparently given them with two main talking points: (1) blame Putin; and (2) frame the shoot-down as a "wake-up call" (Kerry used the words repeatedly) for European governments to impose tight economic sanctions on Russia.

If the U.S. government's hope was that the combination of Kerry's hasty judgment and the DNI's supportive "Government Assessment" would pin the P.R. blame for MH-17 on Putin and Russia, the gambit clearly worked. The U.S. had imposed serious economic sanctions on Russia the day before the shoot-down – but the Europeans were hesitant. Yet, in the MH-17 aftermath, both U.S. and European media were filled with outrage against Putin for supposedly murdering 298 innocents.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel and other European leaders, who had been resisting imposing strong economic sanctions because of Germany's and the European Union's lucrative trade with Russia, let themselves be bulldozed, just two weeks after the shoot-down, into going along with mutually harmful sanctions that have hurt Russia but also have shaken the EU's fragile economic recovery.

Thus started a new, noxious phase in the burgeoning confrontation between Russia and the West, a crisis that was originally precipitated by a Western-orchestrated coup d'état in Kiev on Feb. 22, 2014, ousting Ukraine's elected President Viktor Yanukovych and touching off the current civil war that has witnessed some of the worst bloodshed inside Europe in decades..

It may seem odd that those European leaders allowed themselves to be snookered so swiftly. Did their own intelligence services not caution them against acquiescing over "intelligence" from social media? But the tidal wave of anti-Putin fury in the MH-17 aftermath was hard if not impossible for any Western politician to resist.

Just One Specific Question?

Yet, can the U.S. concealment of its MH-17 intelligence continue indefinitely? Some points beg for answers. For instance, besides describing social media as "an extraordinary tool," Kerry told David Gregory on July 20, 2014: "We picked up the imagery of this launch. We know the trajectory. We know where it came from. We know the timing. And it was exactly at the time that this aircraft disappeared from the radar."

Odd that neither Gregory nor other "mainstream" stenographers have thought to ask Kerry, then or since, to share what he says he "knows" with the American people and the world – if only out of, well, a decent respect for the opinions of mankind. If Kerry has sources beyond "social media" for what he claims to "know" and they support his instant claims of Russian culpability, then the importance of his accusations dictates that he describe exactly what he pretends to know and how. But Kerry has been silent on this topic.

If, on the other hand, the real intelligence does not support the brief that Kerry argued right after the shoot-down, well, the truth will ultimately be hard to suppress. Angela Merkel and other leaders with damaged trade ties with Russia may ultimately demand an explanation. Can it be that it will take current European leaders a couple of years to realize they've been had - again?

The U.S. government also is likely to face growing public skepticism for using social media to pin the blame on Moscow for the downing of MH-17 – not only to justify imposing economic sanctions, but also to stoke increased hostility toward Russia.

The Obama administration and the mainstream media may try to pretend that no doubt exists – that the "group think" on Russia's guilt is ironclad. And it seems likely that the official investigations now being conducted by the U.S.-propped-up government in Ukraine and other close U.S. allies will struggle to build a circumstantial case keeping the Putin-did-it narrative alive.

But chickens have a way of coming home to roost.

Ray McGovern works with Tell the Word, a publishing arm of the ecumenical Church of the Saviour in inner-city Washington. During his 27-years as a CIA analyst, he served as chief of the Soviet Foreign Policy Branch, and prepared and personally conducted early morning briefings of the President's Daily Brief. In January 2013, he co-founded Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS).

William J. Astore Seventy Years of Military Mediocrity

August 19, 2015 | naked capitalism

Yves here. The US pretends not to have industrial policy, but it does, in spades, via which sectors get exceptional support, either via direct spending, R&D support, tax breaks, guarantees, and other subsidies. The military industrial/surveillance complex, banking, housing, and Big Pharma are among the most preferred sectors. The poor performance of the US armed forces, in face of the huge levels of spending, show how being in denial about what our national priorities really are and failing to make those pet industries accountable has led not just to waste but in the last 20 years, to outright looting.

The focus of Astore's post is on a narrow dimension of this problem: that the US has developed military muscle at the expense of brainpower.

By William J. Astore, a retired lieutenant colonel (USAF), and co-author of Hindenburg: Icon of German Militarism. He writes for and edits the blog The Contrary Perspective Originally published at TomDispatch

Thomas Jefferson Hall, West Point's library and learning center, prominently features two quotations for cadets to mull over. In the first, Jefferson writes George Washington in 1788: "The power of making war often prevents it, and in our case would give efficacy to our desire of peace." In the second, Jefferson writes Thomas Leiper in 1815: "I hope our wisdom will grow with our power, and teach us that the less we use our power, the greater it will be."

Two centuries ago, Jefferson's points were plain and clear, and they remain so today: while this country desired peace, it had to be prepared to wage war; and yet the more it avoided resorting to raw military power, the more it would prosper.

Have America's military officers and politicians learned these lessons? Obviously not. In the twenty-first century, the U.S. unquestionably ranks number one on this planet in its preparations for waging war - we got that message loud and clear - but we're also number one in using that power aggressively around the globe, weakening our nation in the process, just as Jefferson warned.

Of course, the world today is a more complex and crowded place than in Jefferson's time and this country, long a regional, even an isolationist power, is now an imperial and global superpower that quite literally garrisons the planet. That said, Jefferson's lessons should still be salutary ones, especially when you consider that the U.S. military has not had a convincing victory in a major "hot" war since 1945.

There are undoubtedly many reasons for this, but I want to focus on two: what cadets at America's military academies really learn and the self-serving behavior of America's most senior military officers, many of whom are academy graduates. Familiar as they may be with those words of Jefferson, they have consistently ignored or misapplied them, facilitating our current state of endless war and national decline.

America's Military Academies: High Ideals, Cynical Graduates

America's military academies are supposed to educate and inspire leaders of strong character and impeccable integrity. They're supposed to be showcases for America's youth, shining symbols of national service. Ultimately, they're supposed to forge strong military leaders who will win America's wars (assuming those wars can't be avoided, as Jefferson might have added). So how's their main mission going?

I taught at the Air Force Academy for six years, and I've talked to former cadets as well as fellow officers who taught at Arm's West Point and the Navy's Annapolis. Here are a few reflections on the flaws of these institutions:

1. In reality, the unstated primary mission of the three military academies is to turn raw cadets into career officers dedicated and devoted to their particular branch of service. On the other hand, service to the American people is, at best, an abstract concept. More afterthought than thought, it is certainly mentioned but hardly a value consistently instilled.

Careerism and parochialism are hardly unique to military academies. Still, as one former cadet wrote me, it's surprising to encounter them so openly in institutions dedicated to "service before self." More than a few of his peers, he added, were motivated primarily by a desire for "a stable, well-paying career." While a perfectly respectable personal goal, to be sure, it's a less than desirable one at academies theoretically dedicated to selfless, even sacrificial service.

2. The academic curriculum is structured to prepare cadets for the technical demands of their first jobs, meaning that it's heavily weighted toward STEM (science/technology/engineering/math). Despite the presence of a Cadet Honor Code, the humanities and questions of ethics play too small a role in the intellectual and moral development of the students.

3. Cadets quickly learn that excelling within the system is the surest path to coveted opportunities - increasingly scarce pilot slots, Special Ops schools, or the like - after graduation. Educationally speaking, they are driven by the idea of advancement within the conformist norms defined by their particular academy and branch of service. A system that rewards energetic displays of conformity also tends to generate mediocrity as well as cynicism. As one former cadet put it to me, "There is something deeper and more perverse here as well: The 'golden boys' [in the eyes of Academy officialdom] got the coveted slots but were generally hated by their cynical peers. Cynicism seems to define the Academy experience."

A former colleague of mine had this comment: "The [military] academies don't make great people and they don't always make good people better. I have seen them turn off a few really good people, however."

4. Because the academies are considered prestige institutions as well as symbols of rectitude and their reputations are always at stake, few risks are taken. Misconduct, when it occurs, is frequently hushed up "for the good of the Academy." Scandals involving cheating, sexual assaults, and religious discrimination have often been made worse by not being dealt with openly and honestly. Cadets know this, which is another reason many emerge from their education as cynics when it comes to the high ideals the academies are supposed to instill.

5. As schools, they are remarkably insular, insider outfits often run by academy graduates whose goals tend to be narrow and sometimes even bizarrely parochial. For example, I knew of one superintendent (a three-star general) at the Air Force Academy whose number one goal was a winning football program. In that sense, he certainly reflected American society: think of the civilian college presidents who desire just that for their institutions. But military academies are supposed to be about creating leaders, not winning football trophies - and the two bear remarkably little relationship to each other no matter how many times the Duke of Wellington is (mis)quoted about the Battle of Waterloo being won on the playing fields of Eton.

6. Finally, there's a strong emphasis at all the academies on simply keeping cadets busy. To the point where - especially in their first year - they're often sleep-deprived and staggering into class. Theoretically, this is meant to be a test both of their commitment to military life and their ability to handle pressure. Whether they learn anything meaningful while dazed or sleeping in class is not discussed. Whether this is a smart way to develop creative and strong-minded leaders is also not up for consideration.

As one former cadet put it: busywork and demanding rituals that sometime cross the line and become hazing are embraced in military education as a "rite of passage." The idea "that we [cadets] suffered through something and prevailed is an immensely powerful psychological 'badge' which leads to pride (or arrogance) and confidence (or hubris)."

Add up the indoctrination and the training, the busywork in classrooms and the desire to excel in big-time collegiate sports, and what you tend to graduate is a certain number of hyper-motivated true believers and a mass of go-along cynics - young men and women who have learned to subsume their doubts and misgivings, even as they trim their sails in the direction of the prevailing winds.

While the cadets are encouraged to over-identify with their particular academy and service branch, they're also encouraged to self-identify as "warriors," as, that is, an elite apart from and superior to the civilians they're supposed to serve. That this country was founded on civilian control of the military may be given lip service, but in the age of the ascendant national security state, the deeper sentiments embedded in an academy education are ever more distant from a populace that plays next to no part in America's wars.

That the classic civilian-military nexus, which was supposed to serve and promote democracy, has turned out to have a few glitches in our time should surprise no one. After all, President Dwight Eisenhower warned us about what was coming back in 1961. As Ike noticed, the way it was working - the way it still works today - is that senior officers in the military too often become tools of the armaments industry (his "military-industrial complex") even as they identify far too closely with the parochial interests of their particular service branch. Add to this the distinctly twenty-first-century emphasis on being warriors, not citizen-soldiers, and you have the definition of a system of self-perpetuating and self-serving militarism rather than military service.

To the extent that the military academies not only fail to curb this behavior but essentially encourage it, they are failing our democracy.

America's Senior Officers: Lots of Ribbon Candy, No Sweetness of Victory

In my first article for TomDispatch back in 2007, I wrote about America's senior military leaders, men like the celebrated David Petraeus. No matter how impressive, even kingly, they looked in their uniforms festooned with ribbons, badges, and medals of all sorts, colors, and sizes, their performance on the battlefield didn't exactly bring to mind rainstorms of ribbon candy. So why, I wondered then, and wonder still, are America's senior military officers so generally lauded and applauded? What have they done to deserve those chests full of honors and the endless praise in Washington and elsewhere in this country?

By giving our commanders so many pats on the back (and thanking the troops so effusively and repeatedly), it's possible that we've prevented the development of an American-style stab-in-the-back theory - that hoary yet dangerous myth that a military only loses wars when the troops are betrayed by the homefront. In the process, however, we've written them what is essentially a blank check. We've given them authority without accountability. They wage "our" wars (remarkably unsuccessfully), but never have to take the blame for defeats. Unlike President Harry Truman, famous for keeping a sign on his desk that read "the buck stops here," the buck never stops with them.

Think about two of America's most celebrated generals of the twenty-first century, Petraeus and Stanley McChrystal and how they fell publicly from grace. Both were West Point grads, both were celebrated as "heroes," despite the fact that their military "surges" in Iraq and Afghanistan proved fragile and reversible. They fell only because Petraeus was caught with his pants down (in an extramarital affair with a fawning biographer), while McChrystal ran afoul of the president by tolerating an atmosphere that undermined his civilian chain of command.

And here, perhaps, is the strangest thing of all: even as America's wars continue to go poorly by any reasonable measure, no prominent high-ranking officer has yet stepped forward either to take responsibility or in protest. You have to look to the lower ranks, to lieutenant colonels and captains and specialists (and, in the case of Chelsea Manning, to lowly privates), for straight talk and the courage to buck the system. Name one prominent general or admiral, fed up with the lamentable results of America's wars, who has either taken responsibility for them or resigned for cause. Yup - I can't either. (This is not to suggest that the military lacks senior officers of integrity. Recall the way General Eric Shinseki broke ranks with the Bush administration in testimony before Congress about the size of a post-invasion force needed to secure Iraq, or General Antonio Taguba's integrity in overseeing a thorough investigation of prisoner abuse at Abu Ghraib. Their good deeds did not go unpunished.)

Authority without accountability means no one is responsible. And if no one is responsible, the system can keep chugging along, course largely unaltered, no matter what happens. This is exactly what it's been doing for years now in Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere.

Can we connect this behavior to the faults of the service academies? Careerism. Parochialism. Technocratic tendencies. Elitism. A focus on image rather than on substance. Lots of busywork and far too much praise for our ascetic warrior-heroes, results be damned. A tendency to close ranks rather than take responsibility. Buck-passing, not bucking the system. The urge to get those golden slots on graduation and the desire for golden parachutes into a lucrative world of corporate boards and consultancies after "retirement," not to speak of those glowing appearances as military experts on major TV and cable networks.

By failing to hold military boots to the fire, we've largely avoided unpleasantness between the military and its civilian leadership, not to speak of the American public. But - and here's the rub - 70 years of mediocrity since World War II and 14 years of failure since 9/11 should have resulted in anti-war protests, Congressional hearings, and public controversy. It should have created public discord, as it did during the Vietnam War, when dissent was a sign of a healthy democracy and an engaged citizenry. Nowadays, in place of protest, we hear the praise, the applause, the thank-yous followed by yet another bombastic rendition of "God Bless America." Let's face it. Our military has failed us, but haven't we failed it, too?

Listening Again to Jefferson

America's military academies are supposed to be educating and developing leaders of character. If they're not doing that, why have them? America's senior military leaders are supposed to be winning wars, not losing them. (Please feel free to name one recent victory by the U.S. military that hasn't been of the Pyrrhic variety.) So why do we idolize them? And why do we fail to hold them accountable?

These are more than rhetorical questions. They cut to the heart of an American culture that celebrates its military cadets as its finest young citizens, a culture that lauds its generals even as they fail to accept responsibility for wars that end not in victory but - well, come to think of it, they just never end.

The way forward: I don't have to point the way because Thomas Jefferson already did. Just read his quotations in the West Point library: we need to become a peace-loving nation again; we need to act as if war were our last resort, not our first impulse; we need to recognize that war is corrosive to democracy and that the more military power is exercised the weaker we grow as a democratic society.

Jefferson's wisdom, enshrined at West Point, shouldn't be entombed there. We need a new generation of cadets - and a few renegade generals of my generation as well - who want to serve us by not going to war, who know that a military is a burden to democracy even when victorious, and especially when it's not. Otherwise, we're in trouble in ways we haven't yet begun to imagine.

[Aug 22, 2015] The Riddle of Obama's Foreign Policy by Robert Parry

his vision is more ideological than strategic
"...My view of Obama is somewhat different. It strikes me that Obama is what you might call a "closet realist." He understands the limits of American power and wants to avoid costly military entanglements. But he also doesn't want to challenge the neocon/liberal-hawk dominance of Official Washington.
In other words, he's a timid opportunist when it comes to reshaping the parameters of the prevailing "group think." He's afraid of being cast as the "outsider," so he only occasionally tests the limits of what the neocon/liberal-hawk "big thinkers" will permit, as with Cuba and Iran."
"...An elitist would keep the public in the dark while letting the hasty initial judgments stand, which is what Obama has done."
"...Kissinger: "To me, yes. It means that breaking Russia has become an objective; the long-range purpose should be to integrate it.""
"...But Obama the Timid Soul – afraid of being ostracized by all the well-connected neocons and liberal hawks of Official Washington – doesn't dare challenge the "group think," what everybody knows to be true even if he knows it to be false. In the end, Obama the Elitist won't trust the American people with the facts, so these international crises will continue drifting toward a potential Armageddon."
August 22, 2015 | therealnews.com | 0 Comments

By Robert Parry. This article was first published on Consortium News.

For nearly seven years of his presidency, Barack Obama has zigzagged from military interventionist to pragmatic negotiator, leaving little sense of what he truly believes. Yet, there may be some consistent threads to his inconsistencies, writes Robert Parry.

Nearing the last year of his presidency, Barack Obama and his foreign policy remain an enigma. At times, he seems to be the "realist," working constructively with other nations to achieve positive solutions, as with the Iran nuclear deal and his rapprochement with Cuba. Other times, he slides into line with the neocons and liberal hawks, provoking ugly crises, such as his "regime change" tactics in Honduras (2009), Libya (2011), Syria (over several years) and Ukraine (2014).

Yet, even in some of those "regime change" scenarios, Obama pulls back from the crazier "tough guy/gal" ideas and recognizes the catastrophes such schemes could create. In 2013, he called off a planned bombing campaign against the Syrian military (which could have led to a victory for Al Qaeda or the Islamic State), and in 2014, he resisted a full-scale escalation of Ukraine's war against ethnic Russian rebels resisting the new U.S.-backed political order in Kiev (which could have pushed the world to the brink of a nuclear war).

Yet, Obama also won't stand up to the neocons and liberal hawks by sharing crucial information with the American people that could undermine pro-intervention narratives.

For instance, Obama has held back the latest U.S. intelligence analysis describing who was responsible for the Aug. 21, 2013 sarin attack that almost precipitated the U.S. war on the Syrian military, and he won't release the intelligence assessment on who shot down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 on July 17, 2014, the tragedy which ratcheted up the crisis with Russia over Ukraine.

In both cases, I'm told U.S. intelligence analysts have backed off early rushes to judgment blaming the Syrian government for the sarin attack, which killed hundreds, and the Russian-backed eastern Ukrainian rebels for the MH-17 crash, which killed 298 people. But Obama has left standing the earlier propaganda themes blaming the Syrian and Russian governments, all the better to apply American "soft power" pressure against Damascus and Moscow.

Thus, Obama's foreign policy has a decidedly zigzag nature to it. Or as former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger recently described Obama: "On the prudential level he's a realist. But his vision is more ideological than strategic," a typically cryptic Kissingerian phrasing that I interpret to mean that Obama is a prudent realist when it comes to major military actions but – short of all-out war – ideologically embraces neocon/liberal-hawk interventionism.

My view of Obama is somewhat different. It strikes me that Obama is what you might call a "closet realist." He understands the limits of American power and wants to avoid costly military entanglements. But he also doesn't want to challenge the neocon/liberal-hawk dominance of Official Washington.

In other words, he's a timid opportunist when it comes to reshaping the parameters of the prevailing "group think." He's afraid of being cast as the "outsider," so he only occasionally tests the limits of what the neocon/liberal-hawk "big thinkers" will permit, as with Cuba and Iran.

Obama is also fundamentally an elitist who believes more in manipulating the American people than in leveling with them. For instance, a leader who truly trusted in democracy would order the maximum declassification of what the U.S. intelligence community knows about the pivotal events in Syria and Ukraine, including the sarin attack and the MH-17 shoot-down.

An elitist would keep the public in the dark while letting the hasty initial judgments stand, which is what Obama has done.

Redirecting Conventional Wisdom

Obama never trusts the people to help him rewrite the narratives of these crises, which could create more space for reasonable compromises and solutions. Instead, he leaves the American public ignorant, which empowers his fellow "smart people" of Official Washington to manage national perceptions, all aided and abetted by the complicit mainstream U.S. media which simply reinforces the misguided "conventional wisdom."

Despite his power to do so, Obama won't shatter the frame of Official Washington's fun-house mirror of reality. That's why his attempt to invoke the memory of President John F. Kennedy's famous "we all inhabit this small planet" speech at American University in 1963 fell so flat earlier this month when Obama went to AU and offered a pedestrian, point-by-point defense of the Iran nuclear deal without any of Kennedy's soaring, universal rhetoric.

Presumably Obama feared that he would be cast as a starry-eyed idealist if he explained to the American people the potential for using the Iran agreement as a way to begin constructing a more peaceful Middle East. [See Consortiumnews.com's "Obama's Pragmatic Appeal for Iran Peace."]

These limitations in Obama's personality and world view have probably doomed his legacy to be viewed as an overall failure to reshape America's approach to the world, away from a costly and confrontational strategy of seeking endless dominance to one favoring a more respectful and pragmatic approach toward the sensitivities and needs of other nations.

I realize some Obama critics feel that he is simply a tool of American imperialism putting a slightly less offensive face on the same interventionist policies. And no doubt he has served that role in many instances. He even boasted during his Iran speech that "I've ordered military action in seven countries." If some other world leader – say, Russian President Vladimir Putin – had made that claim, we would be hearing demands that he be dragged before the World Court as a war criminal.

But there is also the Obama whom Kissinger described as "on the prudential level he's a realist." And there is significant value in sidestepping the maximalist catastrophes that would be caused by policies favored by the neocons and liberal hawks, such as U.S. bombing to destroy the Syrian military (and open the gates of Damascus to a reign of Sunni terrorism) or a U.S. military escalation of the Ukraine crisis (to the point of a nuclear showdown with Russia).

While Obama's modicum of "realism" may seem like a modest thing, it isn't when you recognize that Official Washington's favored choices could contribute to the mass executions of Syria's Christians, Shiites, Alawites and other minorities under the swords of the Islamic State or could provoke a thermonuclear war with Russia that could end all life on the planet.

That acknowledgement aside, however, Obama has fallen far short of any profile in courage as he's allowed dangerously false narratives to develop around these and other international conflicts. The most hazardous of all is the Putin-bashing storyline about Ukraine, which holds that the entire ugly civil war was part of some nefarious scheme cooked up in the Kremlin to recreate the Russian Empire.

Though this notion that the Ukraine crisis was simply a case of "Russian aggression" is held by virtually every important person in Washington's current power circles, it was never true. The crisis was provoked by a U.S.-backed coup on Feb. 22, 2014, which overthrew Ukraine's elected President Viktor Yanukovych. Putin reacted to that provocation; he didn't instigate it.

Kissinger's Take on Ukraine

And if you don't believe me, perhaps you might listen to Henry Kissinger who explained the reality in a July interview with National Interest editor Jacob Heilbrunn, who noted: "we have witnessed a return, at least in Washington, DC, of neoconservatives and liberal hawks who are determined to break the back of the Russian government."

Kissinger: "Until they face the consequences. The trouble with America's wars since the end of the Second World War has been the failure to relate strategy to what is possible domestically. The five wars we've fought since the end of World War II were all started with great enthusiasm. But the hawks did not prevail at the end. At the end, they were in a minority. We should not engage in international conflicts if, at the beginning, we cannot describe an end, and if we're not willing to sustain the effort needed to achieve that end. …"

Heilbrunn: "How do you think the United States can extricate itself from the Ukraine impasse - the United States and Europe, obviously?"

Kissinger: "The issue is not to extricate the United States from the Ukrainian impasse but to solve it in a way conducive to international order. A number of things need to be recognized. One, the relationship between Ukraine and Russia will always have a special character in the Russian mind. It can never be limited to a relationship of two traditional sovereign states, not from the Russian point of view, maybe not even from Ukraine's.

"So, what happens in Ukraine cannot be put into a simple formula of applying principles that worked in Western Europe, not that close to Stalingrad and Moscow. In that context, one has to analyze how the Ukraine crisis occurred. It is not conceivable that Putin spends 60 billion euros on turning a summer resort into a winter Olympic village in order to start a military crisis the week after a concluding ceremony that depicted Russia as a part of Western civilization.

"So then, one has to ask: How did that happen? I saw Putin at the end of November 2013. He raised a lot of issues; Ukraine he listed at the end as an economic problem that Russia would handle via tariffs and oil prices.

"The first mistake was the inadvertent conduct of the European Union. They did not understand the implications of some of their own conditions. Ukrainian domestic politics made it look impossible for Yanukovych to accept the EU terms [for an association agreement] and be reelected or for Russia to view them as purely economic. …

"Each side acted sort of rationally based on its misconception of the other, while Ukraine slid into the Maidan uprising right in the middle of what Putin had spent ten years building as a recognition of Russia's status. No doubt in Moscow this looked as if the West was exploiting what had been conceived as a Russian festival to move Ukraine out of the Russian orbit. …

"If we treat Russia seriously as a great power, we need at an early stage to determine whether their concerns can be reconciled with our necessities. We should explore the possibilities of a status of nonmilitary grouping on the territory between Russia and the existing frontiers of NATO.

"The West hesitates to take on the economic recovery of Greece; it's surely not going to take on Ukraine as a unilateral project. So one should at least examine the possibility of some cooperation between the West and Russia in a militarily nonaligned Ukraine. The Ukraine crisis is turning into a tragedy because it is confusing the long-range interests of global order with the immediate need of restoring Ukrainian identity. …

"When you read now that Muslim units are fighting on behalf of Ukraine, then the sense of proportion has been lost." [For more on this reference, see Consortiumnews.com's "Ukraine Merges Nazis and Islamists."]

Heilbrunn: "That's a disaster, obviously."

Kissinger: "To me, yes. It means that breaking Russia has become an objective; the long-range purpose should be to integrate it."

When Kissinger Makes Sense

It may be a little scary when Henry Kissinger makes relative sense, but that's only in contrast to the current dominant neocon/liberal-hawk "big thinkers" of Official Washington.

For Obama the Realist, the most practical way to begin moving toward a pragmatic resolution of the Ukraine crisis would be to stop the endless propaganda emanating from the U.S. State Department and repeated by the mainstream media and start telling the public the full truth – how the crisis really began, why the mantra "Russian aggression" is false, what on earth the U.S. government thinks it's doing collaborating with neo-Nazis and Islamic jihadists in killing thousands of ethnic Russian Ukrainians, and who was responsible for the key escalating moment, the shoot-down of MH-17.

But Obama the Timid Soul – afraid of being ostracized by all the well-connected neocons and liberal hawks of Official Washington – doesn't dare challenge the "group think," what everybody knows to be true even if he knows it to be false. In the end, Obama the Elitist won't trust the American people with the facts, so these international crises will continue drifting toward a potential Armageddon.

Investigative reporter Robert Parry broke many of the Iran-Contra stories for The Associated Press and Newsweek in the 1980s. You can buy his latest book, America's Stolen Narrative, either in print here or as an e-book (from Amazon and barnesandnoble.com). You also can order Robert Parry's trilogy on the Bush Family and its connections to various right-wing operatives for only $34. The trilogy includes America's Stolen Narrative. For details on this offer, click here.

[Aug 22, 2015] Investors Flood Oil ETFs Looking For Bottom ETF.com By Cinthia Murphy

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Investors poured more than $2 billion into energy-linked ETFs in the past week alone, more than doubling the assets in funds such as United States Oil Fund (USO | A-70), and adding nearly $740 million to the Energy Select SPDR (XLE | A-96) in just five days.

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Sam Stovall, U.S. equity strategist for S&P Capital IQ, says the energy sector is looking downright "compelling" from a relative strength perspective at these levels. ETF asset flows suggest investors are taking notice.

"There have been six times in the past quarter-century that the S&P 500 energy index traded this low, or lower," Stovall said in a recent webcast. "Over the subsequent 24 months, however, the energy index was positive six of six times, and beat the S&P 500 five of six times. It also outpaced the broad stock market by an average 16 percentage points."

Value Opportunity Brightens

Past performance is no indication of future outcomes, as Stovall noted, but the numbers do cast a positive light on the prospects for energy stocks going forward.

USO is largely considered the closest ETF proxy to oil prices, and a very liquid one at that. The fund invests only in near-month Nymex futures contracts on WTI crude oil, and trades more than $350 million, on average, every day, making it a popular choice with investors who want to tap in to oil through energy-futures-based ETFs.

XLE, meanwhile, is an equity energy fund, and owns some 44 stocks as it tracks a market-cap-weighted index of U.S. energy companies in the S&P 500. The fund has almost $11 billion in assets.

As a segment, energy-linked ETFs had more than $48.6 billion in total assets as of Dec. 18, up 4.3 percent from a week earlier.

Top 5 Commodity ETF Creations Dec. 12-18, 2014

Ticker Fund Net Flows ($,mm) AUM
($, mm)
AUM % Change
XLE Energy Select SPDR 738.14 11,085.38 7.13%
USO United States Oil 392.54 1,162.14 51.01%
DJP iPath Dow Jones-UBS Commodity Total Return ETN 354.48 1,755.75 25.30%
OIH Market Vectors Oil Services 198.62 1,091.21 22.25%
VDE Vanguard Energy 171.97 3,102.97 5.87%

[Aug 21, 2015] What Will It Take For The Fed To Panic And Bail Out The Market Once Again BofA Explains

"...Nobody but Madoff went to jail in '08 the last time they were bailed out. -No "Pecora" investigation(s) took place with officer(s) of AIG, Bear Sterns, Lehman, Citigroup, JP Morgan and our favorite bank in the whole World that had their fingers among other appendages up the sphincty of everyone and has a revolving door to the Federal Reserve, U.S. Treasury EU and IMF -Leadman Sucks..."

Aug 20, 2015 | Zero Hedge
One of the main reasons a month ago we started carefully following the commodity trading giants, the Glencores, Mercurias and Trafiguras of the world...

Which will be first: Trafigura, Mercuria or Glencore

- zerohedge (@zerohedge) July 22, 2015

... is because nobody else was.

Perhaps due to their commodity-trading operations, these companies were expected to be immune from the mark-to-market vagaries of the commodity collapse on their balance sheet, and as such presented far less interest to market participants than pure-play miners whose stocks have gotten crushed since the commodity collapse and subsequent relapse.

And then, yesterday, Glencore "happened" and everyone was so shocked by the company's abysmal results, which as we explained may servce as "The Next Leg Of The Commodity Carnage: Attention Shifts To Traders - Glencore Crashes, Noble Default Risk Soars." This took place a day after we penned "Noble Group's Kurtosis Awakening Moment For The Commodity Markets" in which we profiled the ongoing slow-motion trainwreck of Asia's largest commodity trader.

Of course, Glencore's problems should not have been reason for surprise: after all it was a bet on a surge in Glencore's default risk that prompted us to write "Is This The Cheapest (And Most Levered) Way To Play The Chinese Credit-Commodity Crunch?" in March of 2014 as a levered and relatively safe way to trade crashing copper prices (since then, Glencore CDS have doubled).

And so others started to notice.

So with Wall Street's attention suddenly focused, with the usual delay, almost exclusively on the commodity hybrids, it was none other than Bank of America which earlier today reserved a very special place for a possible collapse of these companies. In fact, the "credit event" (read "failure") of a company like Glencore is precisely what BofA's Michael Hartnett said "may be necessary to cause policy-makers to panic."

Bank of America starts with a chart that ZH readers are all too familiar with: a comparison of the CDS of Noble and Glencore which as duly noted many times already, have recently spiked:

And here is why Bank of America decided to suddenly focus on a small subset of the commodity sector, one which we have been fascinated with for over a month: to BofA the collapse of either of these two companies is the necessary and/or sufficient condition for the Fed to exit its recent trance, and reenter and bailout the market.

That's right: Bank of America is begging for another Fed-assisted market bailout, which gladly hints would be accelerated should Glencore experience a premature "credit event." To wit:

Short-term, markets seem intent on forcing either the Fed to pass in September, or the Chinese to launch a more comprehensive and credible policy package to boost growth expectations. Alternatively, a credit event in commodities (note CDS is widening sharply for resources companies – front page chart) may be necessary to cause policy-makers to panic. Markets stop panicking when central banks start panicking. We think that is increasingly likely in September, thus arguing that risk-takers should soon look to add risk, particularly on any further weakness.

We thank Bank of America for making it quite clear what the catalyst for QE4 will be (and why we should double down on the Glencore long CDS trade), but we are confused: how is the Fed expected to "panic" in September when that is when BofA's crack economists predict the Fed will hike rates. If anything, a rate hike is supposed to calm the market and give confidence that the Fed is on top of the situation, even if as has been clearly the case, the US economy, not to mention the global one, are both going into reverse.

And while that is a major loose end to any trading thesis BofA may want to present, it does hedge by saying that all bets on a market bailout are off if the Fed and other central banks have now "lost their potency", i.e., if the market's faith in money printing has ended.

Finally, we believe the inexorable rise in volatility as QE programs wane leads to the ultimate risk. In our view, all investment strategies have been tied in recent years to the power of central banks. There are few bond vigilantes willing to punish profligate governments, fewer currency speculators willing to defy central bank intervention, and investors have become adept at front-running policy-makers and/or expecting central banks will "blink" at signs of market volatility. We believe a loss of central bank potency is an unambiguous risk-off.

Indeed, we too believe that if not even central banks can boost this market, then the time to get the hell out of Dodge is at hand. And while exiting, make sure to have a lot of gold, silver and lead. Because if the days of Keynesian voodoo and fiat are almost over, then absolutely nobody has any idea what lies ahead.

Son of Captain Nemo

That's right: Bank of America is begging for another Fed-assisted market bailout, which gladly hints would be accelerated should Glencore experience a premature "credit event."

And why the fuck "not"?...

Nobody but Madoff went to jail in '08 the last time they were bailed out. -No "Pecora" investigation(s) took place with officer(s) of AIG, Bear Sterns, Lehman, Citigroup, JP Morgan and our favorite bank in the whole World that had their fingers among other appendages up the sphincty of everyone and has a revolving door to the Federal Reserve, U.S. Treasury EU and IMF -Leadman Sucks...

If you don't put them on the top of the Federal Reserve headquarters and the Freedom Tower to be thrown off the roof 7 years after the irreparable harm they continue to carry out...

This is what you get and what you deserve!

OldPhart

We're just waiting for the Statute of Limitations to run out. Then we'll investigate. [Obama Administration]

Crocodile

Quote: "if not even central banks can boost this market, then the time to get the hell out of Dodge is at hand."

Got that right; seems like they are losing the handle and ready to implement "Plan B"; massive short squeeze followed by "pulling the plug" and letting the chips fall. Seems we are at or near the end-game. I was hoping the DJIA would not go below 17K and it did, so tomorrow will give strong forward guidance that will answer the question; "have they lost control altogether?". I hope not.

Pareto

News flash Dundee. The FED has NEVER been in control. Being forced to react to redemptions is not becoming of someone who is "in control". Short of buying stocks, like the PBOC, or more MBS and CDS (QE1,2, Twist, 3), or, more Treasuries (QE forever), they're done. The thing about the market is that eventually it exposes the reality of central planning - that it doesn't work, hasn't worked, and never will work. It is simply naiive to think that any central bank has been in control of anything - ever. If they have been in control of anything at all, it would be that they own one of the greatest wealth redistributions that has ever occurred in history. They own that, And they also own every major recession since 1913. And they will own this cluster fuck too when it is all said and done. Because there is no free lunch. Sooner or later - everybody pays.

Angry Plant

Do higher interest rates represent a greater threat than lower growth to the 1% is the question?

The Fed will always serve the interests of the 1%.

Current stock, housing, car loan, and college loan bubble will all get worse if Fed does more QE. More QE really just means more malinvestment while no QE means that current malinvestment will come due. Those bubbles popping is inevitable so popping them now while they're smaller is maybe the best course.

China and Europe are now in position where they have to QE to stop economic implosion so US can exploit that to shut down US QE and let China and Europe carry the load.

In regards to the 1% the big loser of this would be Hillary and the likely big winner would be Jeb. Both candidates are completely in the pocket of the 1% so the rest of the 1% really don't care.

Angry Plant

I don't think I explained it well.

To be more clear I believe the fed will let the stockmarket tank instead of raising interest rates. The drop in stocks will have same impact as rate increases. That will allow fed to keep rates low and avoid a surge in US dollar.

It will also correct one of the bubbles currently in the US economy. The oil buble got popped last year now it's time for the stock bubble to be popped.

[Aug 21, 2015] Is The Oil Crash A Result Of Excess Supply Or Plunging Demand The Unpleasant Answer In One Chart

"...I, for one, feel much better that we have returned to depleting our natural resources at a record pace. This will help to ensure that our children and our children's children have a bright future. "
"..."Breaking Russia has become an objective [for US officials] the long-range purpose should be to integrate it," the 92-year-old told The National Interest in a lengthy interview for the policy magazine's anniversary that touched on most of the world's most pertinent international issues. "If we treat Russia seriously as a great power, we need at an early stage to determine whether their concerns can be reconciled with our necessities." "
Aug 21, 2015 | Zero Hedge
One of the most vocal discussions in the past year has been whether the collapse, subsequent rebound, and recent relapse in the price of oil is due to surging supply as Saudi Arabia pumps out month after month of record production to bankrupt as many shale companies before its reserves are depleted, or tumbling demand as a result of a global economic slowdown. Naturally, the bulls have been pounding the table on the former, because if it is the later it suggests the global economy is in far worse shape than anyone but those long the 10Year have imagined.

Courtesy of the following chart by BofA, we have the answer: while for the most part of 2015, the move in the price of oil was a combination of both supply and demand, the most recent plunge has been entirely a function of what now appears to be a global economic recession, one which will get far worse if the Fed indeed hikes rates as it has repeatedly threatened as it begins to undo 7 years of ultra easy monetary policy.

Here is BofA:

Retreating global equities, bond yields and DM breakevens confirm that EM has company. Much as in late 2014, global markets are going through a significant global growth scare. To illustrate this, we update our oil price decomposition exercise, breaking down changes in crude prices into supply and demand drivers (The disinflation red-herring).

Chart 6 shows that, in early July, the drop in oil prices seems to have reflected primarily abundant supply (related, for example, to the Iran deal). Over the past month, however, falling oil prices have all but reflected weak demand.

BofA's conclusion:

The global outlook has indeed worsened. Our economists have recently trimmed GDP forecasts in Japan, Brazil, Mexico, Colombia and South Africa, while noting greater downside risks in Turkey due to political uncertainty. Asian exports continue to underwhelm, and capital outflows are adding to regional woes. Looking ahead, we still expect the largest DM economies to keep expanding at above-trend pace but global headwinds have intensified.

And yet, BofA's crack economist Ethan Harris still expects a September Fed rate hike. Perhaps the price of oil should turn negative (yes, just like NIRP, negative commodity prices are very possible) for the Fed to realize just how cornered it truly is.

Ms No

I'd say it is more like the answer in one quote, Kissinger the corpse is squealing again.

"Breaking Russia has become an objective [for US officials] the long-range purpose should be to integrate it," the 92-year-old told The National Interest in a lengthy interview for the policy magazine's anniversary that touched on most of the world's most pertinent international issues. "If we treat Russia seriously as a great power, we need at an early stage to determine whether their concerns can be reconciled with our necessities."

Budnacho

Yep, Zero demand at $3.75 a Gallon for gas....

Antifaschistische

I, for one, feel much better that we have returned to depleting our natural resources at a record pace. This will help to ensure that our children and our children's children have a bright future.

Jumbotron

"Meh - our children's children will farm or die."

Howard Kunstler talked about this in his book "The Long Emergency" back in 2005. And continues to do so on his web site.

http://kunstler.com/

The "JIT" (Just In Time) model based on cheap global energy and cheap wage slave labor arbitrage is breaking down. This is a multi-decade issue. There will be recoveries....but each drop will see the world get, poorer, slower, and more local as the decades pass.

However, the elites of the world will try the very last trick in their bag of horrors......CASHLESS. With a cashless, purely digital credit system, they can manipulate all they want, even to the point of doing "buy-ins" if the need arises...you know...to "save the children".

That's when the last attempt at total control will happen. But when there are still too many people, and not enough cheap, easily extracted and easily obtained resources for those people......shit will hit the fan none the less. Cashless or not.

Then......war. Global war....and the big reset to farming or dying.

Jumbotron

" The JIT model has exactly nothing to do with cheap energy. More like accountants telling us "we don't need to put capital into holding a stock of materials." "

Bull...Fucking...Shit.

Ever heard of Fed-Ex ? Ever heard of UPS ? Ever heard of 24/7 trucking ? Ever heard of 24/7 rail service ? Ever heard of Cloud Computing ? Ever heard of Amazon ? Ever heard of 24/7 overseas shipping ?

Ever heard of paved Interstate Highways ? What about the Internet ? What about all the steel mills, and the coke factories and the plastic factories and the asphalt makers......etc....etc....and fucking etc.

ALL of these, including so much more, rely SOLEY on cheap energy.

Go back to your magical X-Box and the comfort of your mother's basement. And her magical microwave which just made you some magical popcorn.

Apply Force

Not like when we were 16... I bought my own 1st (and 2nd, and 3rd) cars in cash that I earned working (mowing lawns/yard work) from 12 on. I worked on my own cars, which was not so hard, and usually Dad or another in the neighborhood could help out. I paid for my own ins. and my own gas.

Not so easy to buy a used car now - way more expensive per what a child can earn prior to being driving age. And good luck working on your own car now - way more complex, and parts are way, way more expensive. And insurance costs are higher as well. No need to drive to a job for a 16 year old if the wage they earn can not even pay for car maintenance - if they could even find a job to begin with!

The Age of Less is upon us - adjust accordingly!

Shaznardickleze...

No jobs, no money, no where to go, internet social life. Whats your point?
Would you pay $3 a gallon if you were paid $7 an hour?

nope-1004

Fed will raise rates? lmao. As BOP noted a few days ago, the last rate hike was in 2006.

NINE YEARS OF BULLSHITTING THE PUBLIC about raising rates. Enough.

Apply Force

The chart is Brent oil and world demand - not so sure US local gas prices and demand are reflected so well there.

"Demand" at any rate really means "affordability" and oil production lags affordability changes by quite a bit - - hence what appears to be excess production to many people. Reality just takes a while to catch up to long-term endeavors like drilling for oil.

It is simply a whipsaw in prices that is generally on it's way down... Down for the count within the decade, imo.

Cloud9.5

The demand for gasoline is to a large extent inelastic. Cougar is right that we are trapped in the car culture. I picked up my mother in law's maid this morning. She was walking the three miles from her house to my mother-in-laws. She could not afford the repairs on her car. We have no mass transit so she either walks or quits. Most people would quit and go on welfare. For all I know she may already be on welfare.


Dr_Snooz

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"Yep, Zero demand at $3.75 a Gallon for gas...."

Yeah, the price of oil has halved, but the price of gas is unchanged. How does that work? If we yell loud enough at our Congresscriminals, they'll launch some price-gouging investigation, determine that there is none, sweep it all under the rug and get back to servicing their corporate constituencies.

The problem is that you can only steal so much from the people before it's all gone and the whole system crashes...

Oh wait. That's already happening.

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It works when the people put their ass in the air and let their elected "representatives" have their way with that ass. ie, not good for you.


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People will buy gas -- at any price -- before they buy groceries. Because they have to get to work as an urgent matter, because they cannot afford to lose their job, because half the people they know are already out of work. They have to keep that job no matter what -- and work two jobs 20 milesa part maybe three -- so that later in the week they can then think about buying groceries.

I'm kind of surprized the ZH crowd doesn't get this part.

The price of gas will go down when a lot of people are homeless or dead.

samsara

"Calling Gail Tverberg, whose finite world is looking ominously true."

Yes, GailTheActuary of course was correct. Smart lady, read her comments/articles for years on TheOilDrum.

Falak, Try this one from AutomaticEarth. Nicole(aka StoneLeigh) nails the future I believe very correctly.

Nicole (and Ilargi) used to run TheOilDrum Canada before AutomaticEarth.

http://www.theautomaticearth.com/2015/08/nicole-foss-the-boundaries-and-future-of-solution-space/

Nicole Foss: The Boundaries and Future of Solution Space

falak pema

thanks I enjoyed it.

Local area networks and value chains, not cancerous globalization. Minimal mercantile exchanges to starve the Oligarchy beast, to sustain human chains; except where labour lacks like in Germany.

Peak Oil and peak RM were already in the cards in 1979 with world population exploding. We should have learned from second oil shock.

Help Africa grow don't rape it! Respect Che Guevara's legacy by doing same in Land of Latinos. All those guys who died for what : Che, Gandhi, Mandela, even Giap!

But Pax Americana was on another page : Reaganomics!

I said this back in 2007 -2010, to the wind!

I wrote it all down but haven't published it.

Lol, it blows back now.

moneybots

"the most recent plunge has been entirely a function of what now appears to be a global economic recession, one which will get far worse if the Fed indeed hikes rates as it has repeatedly threatened as it begins to undo 7 years of ultra easy monetary policy."

The boom causes the bust. Years of QE is the problem, not potential rate hikes. Can't burst a bubble, until you build one. A bubble is 100% guaranteed to burst.

DaveyJones

Gail the Actuary (The Oil Drum) and many others have been predicting this phenomenon for some time now. The (modern) world (and their economic models) are entriely built on the fiction of never ending growth. Since energy drives everything and since the economic world has exponentially bet way out into the future, the economic structure will fall (completely apart) before the energy structure does. Even though it will take more and more money (read energy) to get the same energy out of the ground, the people will not be able to afford the price the companies need to charge and, as Ruppert said, everything wil just shut down.

ejmoosa

Central planners who pushed electric vehicles to the tune of 8,000 dollar tax credits and forcing fuel standards higher and higher despite the cost are baffled by the drop in oil demand.

[Aug 21, 2015] Feels like 1986 Oil on track for longest weekly losing streak in 29 years

In late 1985, oil prices slumped to $10 from around $30 over five months as OPEC raised output to regain market share following an increase in non-OPEC production.

BP CEO Bob Dudley said in late-July, when oil prices were some $8 a barrel higher than now, that "it does feel like 1986".

U.S. crude for October delivery was 46 cents lower at $40.86 a barrel at 0656 GMT. The September contract, which expired on Thursday, ended 34 cents higher. The U.S. benchmark hit a 6-1/2 year low of $40.21 a barrel on Thursday.

Brent was on track for its seventh weekly decline in the past eight, trading 41 cents lower at $46.21 a barrel, after settling 54 cents lower on Thursday.

The dollar continued retreating on shrinking expectations of an U.S. interest rate hike in September, providing some support for oil prices.

... ... ....

"The only silver lining we are seeing coming from the United States is that refining rates remain high and that crude production continues to fall," Singapore-based Philip Futures said in a note to clients.

Despite the rout in oil prices, some mutual funds keep ploughing money into oil exploration and production companies in the United States in a bet that production will retreat sharply over the next 12 months, setting the stage for a rebound towards $65-70 per barrel.
... ... ...

Spot prices of Western Canada Select (WCS), a marker for heavy, diluted bitumen from Alberta's oil sands sank to a 12-year low near $20 per barrel.

SCOTT USMC VET 2 hours ago

Tomorrow we will be in short supply and need to raise prices. Too many people with the poker in the fires. All scam artists need to reported to sec for fraud and manipulation of commodities.

Larry 3 hours ago

IN 1986 Reagan enlisted the Saudi's to flood the market in an economic attack against Russia, in 2014 US gov. repeated the attack. Now, with the internet, US citizens can learn the truth and see that the US gov. acts unconstitutionally against it's own citizens by market manipulation.

[Aug 20, 2015] Low Oil Prices Could Break The "Fragile Five" Producing Nations By Nick Cunningham

August 20, 2015 | naked capitalism

By Nick Cunningham, a Vermont-based writer on energy and environmental issues. You can follow him on twitter at @nickcunningham1. Originally published at OilPrice

... ... ...

Meanwhile, in southern Iraq, which produces the bulk of the country's oil and has been far from the violence associated with ISIS, protests have threatened oil operations there. Protests at the West Qurna-2 oilfield operated by Russian firm Lukoil have raised concerns within both the company and the Iraqi central government about disruptions. The Prime Minister even traveled to the site to reassure Lukoil about the stability of its operations.

... ... ...

Low oil prices could also push Venezuela into a deeper crisis.

... ... ...

For Libya, already torn apart by civil war and the growing presence of ISIS militants, low oil prices are the last thing the country needs. ISIS violently crushed a civilian rebellion last week in the coastal city of Sirte, according to Al-Jazeera. Libya's internationally-recognized government has called upon Arab states for help in fighting ISIS, something that the Arab League has endorsed. Meanwhile, the country's oil sector – the backbone of the economy – is producing less than 400,000 barrels per day, well below the 1.6 million barrels per day Libya produced during the Gaddafi era. In other words, Libya is selling far less oil than it used to, and at prices far below what they were as recently as last year.

... ... ...

Saudi Arabia could run a fiscal deficit that is equivalent to about 20 percent of GDP. To finance public spending, Saudi Arabia has returned to the bond markets for the first time in eight years, issuing 15 billion riyals ($4 billion) in July, only to be followed up by an additional bond offering of 20 billion riyals ($5.33 billion) in August. The government plans on taking on more debt in the coming months as well.

... ... ...

Praedor, August 20, 2015 at 9:01 am

I am always automatically dubious about instability in Latin America, particularly Brazil, Ecuador, Venezuela. I cannot but assume that the CIA and State Dept are all over it, pushing it beyond what it would otherwise be organically, perverting it towards coup if a rightwing US-selected leader cannot be "elected". The US wants nothing MORE than instability and overthrow of these national governments and will do anything possible to manufacture disaffection inside their borders. There's water to privatize, oil to privatize, schools to privatize, corporations to feed.

shinola, August 20, 2015 at 10:56 am

My local newspaper carried a story this a.m. about low oil prices becoming a problem for Mexico too.

Sam Kanu, August 20, 2015 at 12:41 pm

Any clarity yet on who is funding Boko Haram in Nigeria?

PlutoniumKun, August 20, 2015 at 3:27 pm

The War Nerd (Gary Brecher) is required reading on Boko Haram, although unfortunately his work is increasingly being screened by paywalls. From memory, he was pretty clear that much of its funding comes from the usual suspects among 'our allies' in the Middle East.

Sam Kanu, August 20, 2015 at 6:22 pm

Local opinion on the source of funding seems to settle on certain elements of the Nigerian military, and possibly them acting as a conduit from global suspect #1.

Never mind the so called allies and the so called "experts" who have never set foot in the country.

Now start adding up 2 and 2.

Charles Fasola, August 20, 2015 at 1:16 pm

More bull crap from the controlled main stream media concerning Venezuela. Which is a target for regime change by the empire and its CIA organized criminal syndicate. Any nation that attempts to serve public purpose in any form becomes a target. Assassinations, overthrowal of legitimately elected governments, opium and narcotics production in Afghanistan and now Ukronazistan, money laundering for drug cartels, theivery and human trafficking are the specialties of this vile cesspool called the USA.

[Aug 20, 2015] Wolf Richter It Starts – Broad Retaliation Against China in Currency War

Aug 20, 2015 |
naked capitalism

Kazakhstan saw what's happening to oil, its main export product, and to the currencies in China and Russia, its biggest trading partners. The yuan devaluation was relatively small, compared to the ruble, which is now allowed or encouraged to drop with oil. It has plunged 14% against the dollar over the past 30 days and 45% over the past 12 months, to 66.7 rubles to the dollar. With the Russian economy losing its grip, the ruble is dropping perilously close to the panic levels of last December and January.

And Kazakhstan freaked out and devalued the tenge by 4.5% today, to 197.3 per dollar, the biggest drop since that infamous day in February 2014 when the central bank let the tenge plunge 20%. So today's move is likely just a foretaste of what is still to come.

... ... ...

But devaluations are not free lunches. They're desperate measures that demolish domestic consumption and real incomes (see Japan), business investment, and overall credibility. And capital flees. They can also heat up inflation. But many emerging market countries and their banks and corporations borrow in other currencies to get access to lower interest rates. That foreign-currency debt can't be devalued or inflated away.

Instead, the opposite happens. Their struggling or battered economies have to service foreign-currency debt with their own devalued currencies. Commodity exporters are getting sapped additionally by plunging commodity prices. Then that foreign currency debt, that cheap easy money everyone got to used playing with, becomes an insurmountable pile of expensive debt in a currency they can't control and whose exchange rate might run away from them.

This is when a debt crisis begins to spiral elegantly through the emerging markets, taking down banks, entire economies, and gobs of investors as it goes – or taxpayers in other countries if there is a bailout. It's always the same story. But this time, it's different: after years of global QE, low interest rates, and hot money sloshing through the system, the sums are larger, and the risks are higher.


MyLessThanPrimeBeef, August 20, 2015 at 12:47 pm

Only one nation is exceptionally lucky with an import-driven/global reserve currency circulated model that's free from this need to devalue or to service foreign currency loans.

Mike Sparrow, August 20, 2015 at 12:59 pm

Currency war? Not seeing it.

'International Money Mania'

Aug 16, 2015 | Economist's View
Paul Krugman:
International Money Mania: China is claiming that it's not devaluing the renminbi to gain competitive advantage, it's adding flexibility to prepare for the yuan as an international reserve currency, becoming part of the basket in the IMF's SDRs and all that. That's highly implausible as a story about what's happening right now; but it may be true that China's urge to loosen capital controls is driven in part by its global-currency ambitions. ...
So what are the advantages of owning a reserve currency? ...
What you're left with, basically, is seigniorage: the fact that some people outside your country hold your currency, which means that in effect America gets a zero-interest loan corresponding to the stash of dollar bills - or, mainly $100 bills - held in the hoards of tax evaders, drug dealers, and other friends around the world. In normal times this privilege is worth something like $20-30 billion a year; that's not a tiny number, but it's only a small fraction of one percent of GDP.
The point is that while reserve-currency status may have political symbolism attached, it's essentially irrelevant as an economic goal - and definitely not worth distorting policy to achieve. Someone needs to tell the Chinese, you shall not crucify this country on a cross of SDRs.

am said...


Wo! Prof K pulls the reins on the reserve currency objective. I think that prestige is the main objective in China's moves in this direction and they wouldn't mind a bit of the seignorage too. But to get prestige fully they will have to let the currency float.
China won't peg the yuan forever and doesn't want to either, I think. Their long term objective is surely international bonds in yuan to rival the USA dollar bonds.

RogerFox said...


'Reserve' status tends to make a currency stronger that it otherwise would be. When they think it through, the Reds will eventually come to the realization that such an outcome might not be to their benefit, any more than it has been for blue-collar-types in the States.

Manipulating their currency down, then up, then down again - that's hardly demonstrative of an embrace of market-forces, is it?


RC AKA Darryl, Ron said in reply to RogerFox...


'Reserve' status tends to make a currency stronger that it otherwise would be.

[Krugman doesn't seem to believe in the Triffin dilemma, but you are correct. What you mean by "stronger than it otherwise would be" is having a higher foreign exchange value relative to its surplus trading partner's currencies than if they were not holding securities denominated in the reserve currency. So, the reserve currency does have a higher import purchasing power in the face of persistent trade deficits. Whether that increases or decrease the overall trade deficit for the reserve currency nation depends upon the real balance of trade relative to the effect of exchange rates. If US based MNCs were going to offshore production regardless of exchange rates just because of arbitrage over regulation and standard of living (real wages) and the US was going to import the same amount of oil anyway then the over-valued dollar actually reduced the US trade deficit. That may be why Krugman just tiptoed past the Triffin dilemma. ]

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...When they think it through, the Reds will eventually come to the realization that such an outcome might not be to their benefit, any more than it has been for blue-collar-types in the States...

[The US had developed a higher standard of living including higher environmental quality and higher labor safety standards. There are plenty of Reds and they do not have much leverage in their political system. Most importantly China can liberalize their financial system while still practicing protectionists industrial policy. What China needs to grow is a switch to domestic consumption and that will take a lot more imported oil. China wants to make this transition. China wants the Triffin dilemma to lower the cost of their oil imports. They are ready to let lower wage countries perform more of the low skill labor while China raises their standard of living and switches from surplus to deficit on trade. China will be smart about what it choses to import though unlike the US. The US was smart about making the rich even richer until they controlled the media and even the political system. The Chinese government would want to avoid that embrace.]


Reply Thursday, August 13, 2015 at 04:44 AM


Lafayette said...


WAKEY, WAKEY …

From Forbes : {Technically, the news that many rich people in China have personal ties to China's top leaders is not really news anymore. Nor is it news that many rich Chinese have placed their assets in offshore accounts or even that many rich people in China get that way through peddling influence or corruption.

After all, the top 50 members of China's National People's Congress boast a combined wealth of $94.7 billion, making their American congressional cousins across the Pacific-whose top 50 members are worth only $1.6 billion-look positively poverty stricken. The link between politics and money in China is well-established.*}

And we thought that Uncle Sam had a problem with too many plutocrats fixing policy from the top?

Wakey, wakey. The sun rises in the east … !

*From here: http://www.forbes.com/sites/elizabetheconomy/2014/01/28/the-political-plight-of-chinas-wealthy/

Reply Thursday, August 13, 2015 at 08:25 AM


anne said in reply to Lafayette...


After all, the top 50 members of China's National People's Congress boast a combined wealth of $94.7 billion...

[ Not that the crazed viciousness directed against the Chinese will stop, but it is not conceivable that Forbes could know this. ]


Reply Thursday, August 13, 2015 at 08:43 AM


Lafayette said in reply to anne...


Anne, don't be naive.

I have seen this figure confirmed by Chinese, in China, on TV reports here in France. In fact, the reportage was done by some very brave Germans who would not dare set foot again in China.

The report was very well done, in that it interviewed dissenters in hiding as well as those who had been in jail. It even went to the backwaters of large cities and out into the countryside.

In fact, I heard quotes for the position of regional leadership that are bantered about and even well-known. Meaning this: The corruption is so wide-spread that those in command are no longer even hiding it.

I cannot imagine how they (the reporters) got away with it, because the Political Police go right down to the village level. You cannot believe what's going in China from abroad.

But when it implodes, and it WILL implode, the economic earthquake caused is going to be enormous ...


Reply Thursday, August 13, 2015 at 09:02 AM


anne said in reply to Lafayette...


"In fact, the reportage was done by some very brave ------- who would not dare set foot again in China."

Rubbish, though no doubt self-sacrificing and bravely gathered rubbish, but what is now all important through the West is the destroying of China.


Reply Thursday, August 13, 2015 at 09:14 AM


pgl said in reply to anne...


How is reporting that a few people have gotten very rich destroying China? You are paranoid here.


Reply Thursday, August 13, 2015 at 09:23 AM


anne said in reply to anne...


"After all, the top 50 members of China's National People's Congress boast a combined wealth of $94.7 billion..."

"In fact, the reportage was done by some very brave ------- who would not dare set foot again in China."

Rubbish, though no doubt self-sacrificing and bravely gathered rubbish, but what is now all important through the West is the destroying of China. What is being reported cannot conceivably be known and is simply making up stuff with the intent of destroying China.


Reply Thursday, August 13, 2015 at 09:36 AM


kthomas said in reply to Lafayette...


Mao is turning in his grave at Ludicrous Speed.


Im enjoying the hell out of this.


Reply Thursday, August 13, 2015 at 10:31 AM


Lafayette said in reply to kthomas...


Witnessing what is happening in China from afar is a privilege.

They are flocking to France this summer because French "style" is highly prized. And what do they find here ... gangs of Romanian pick-pockets.

They are a decent people, the Chinese, but haven't the slightest sense of "individualism". Quite unlike Americans, who have little sense of "solidarity".

So, the Chinese are easy to manipulate. And they ARE being manipulated by a corrupt caste-system that has replaced the iron-fist of communist rule.

These billionaires are "communists" in sheep-clothing - they are no different from Putin's kleptocrats ...


Reply Thursday, August 13, 2015 at 11:55 AM


Lafayette said in reply to Lafayette...


NICE MONEY IF YOU CAN GET ... AND YOU CAN GET IT, IF YOU TRY

{... whose top 50 members are worth only $1.6 billion}

Only? That's more than a cool $300M each on average.

Now who the hell "needs" 300M dollars ... ?


Reply Thursday, August 13, 2015 at 08:56 AM


am said in reply to Lafayette...


How do they define a billion. If it is 1000 million then 50 into 1.5 billion is 30 million.


Reply Thursday, August 13, 2015 at 09:20 AM


pgl said in reply to am...


$94.7 billion collectively. Almost $1.9 billion per person. I know - Forbes needs better writers. But the DONALD would still call these rich dudes "light weights". When they each have $10 billion, then he'll be nice to them.


Reply Thursday, August 13, 2015 at 09:28 AM


am said in reply to pgl...


My comment was about the US combined wealth. Laf says it works out at 300million each for the top 50 but if a billion is 1000 million then he should have said 30million each. All rounded down, of course. I think there are different definitions of a billion which is why I asked the question in the first comment.

Reply Thursday, August 13, 2015 at 09:39 AM


Lafayette said in reply to am...


Your right, it's ONLY $30M. That changes EVERYTHING, doesn't it!

Dammit, where's that delete button when you need it ... ;^)


Reply Thursday, August 13, 2015 at 09:38 AM


pgl said in reply to Lafayette...


I thought the figure was $94.7 billion. Now it is $1.6 billion? Let's get the accounting straight. BTW - $300 million is what the DONALD spends in just a couple of months.


Reply Thursday, August 13, 2015 at 09:24 AM


pgl said in reply to pgl...


"the top 50 members of China's National People's Congress boast a combined wealth of $94.7 billion, making their American congressional cousins across the Pacific-whose top 50 members are worth only $1.6 billion".

Oh wait - I get this story. Sort of. But 94.7/50 is a bit more than 1.6. Right?


Reply Thursday, August 13, 2015 at 09:26 AM


pgl said in reply to pgl...


Oh good grief - the original story reads:

"MANY Americans grumble about the wealth of their politicians. An annual survey released this month by CQ Roll Call, part of The Economist Group, showed that the median net worth of all Congressmen was $440,000, compared with American household net worth of around $70,000. Indeed, the 50 richest members of Congress hold a staggering $1.6 billion. But that's nothing compared with China. The wealthiest 50 delegates to the National People's Congress (NPC), China's rubber-stamp parliament, control $94.7 billion, according to the Hurun Report's latest rich list. That's about 60 times more than their American confrères. Darrell Issa, a Republican from California, is the richest man in Congress, with $355m. But that is pocket money compared with the riches of Zong Qinghou, an NPC delegate and boss of Hangzhou Wahaha Group, a drinks-maker, whose wealth totals almost $19 billion (including assets distributed to family members). Americans might not take much succour in being trumped by China, but it certainly brings new meaning to the idea that the seat of political power is called the capital."

Better writing. The DONALD is still laughing at this as he is worth $10 billion but he has decided that Zong Qingjou is not a light weight.


Reply Thursday, August 13, 2015 at 09:32 AM


Lafayette said in reply to pgl...


Does the exact number really matter? Nobody knows for sure what the real figure is, so its's just an estimate for the moment.

I quoted that figure from Forbes ...

If any division is of - mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa ...


Reply Thursday, August 13, 2015 at 09:44 AM


pgl said in reply to Lafayette...


One of these dudes has raked in $19 billion? Damn - what did he give away to make that?

And notice - any story on China that says anything other than their growth rate is the highest in a long time sends Anne off in another one of her tantrums. Just sad.


Reply Thursday, August 13, 2015 at 09:53 AM


pgl said...


China's real exchange rate has doubled over the past 20 years:

https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/RBCNBIS

Krugman notes this fact and writes:

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/08/13/china-2015-is-not-china-2010/?module=BlogPost-Title&version=Blog%20Main&contentCollection=Opinion&action=Click&pgtype=Blogs&region=Body

"It's true that China's real exchange rate has trended upward for a long time, and that this didn't lead to a loss of competitiveness until recently - mainly because of Balassa-Samuelson and other effects of rising productivity. But with Chinese growth slowing and the pace of appreciation rising - and with rising competition from other emerging markets - the past five years almost surely have brought a major reduction in competitiveness. It's perfectly consistent to believe that China was destructively undervalued in 2010 but overvalued now."

We used to lecture the Chinese on alleged currency manipulation but maybe we should stop lest we become clowns like the DONALD!

Reply Thursday, August 13, 2015 at 08:41 AM


am said...


http://www.afr.com/markets/chinas-central-bank-moves-to-calm-markets-20150813-giy9w9

A good Aussie report on the new Chinese policy. Basically the peg has a range for the day's trading. The value at close of business is then the new starting peg the next day. Hence the devaluation each day this week.


Reply Thursday, August 13, 2015 at 10:28 AM


am said in reply to am...


http://www.afr.com/markets/currencies/hockey-backs-china-central-bank-moves-to-calm-markets-20150813-giyihc
The Aussies seem to like what is happening with the yuan.


Reply Thursday, August 13, 2015 at 10:37 AM


pgl said in reply to am...

"China's central bank said it would keep the exchange rate at a "reasonable" and stable level at a press conference on Thursday".

In other words, pegged at a different level than earlier but still pegged. I say this because Matty Boy Bot thought this meant floating. OK - the Boy Bot gets everything wrong.

john c. halasz said...

Umm... the "advantage" of having a reserve currency is that one can borrow cheap and long and then invest at much higher returns elsewhere, especially abroad. Why does PK miss that, instead focusing on the trivial seigniorage? Of course, that's not an advantage for the economy as a whole necessarily, just for certain factions of the elite, but should macroeconomic abstraction blind one to the different interests in play?

Peter K. said in reply to john c. halasz...

The carry trade?

"and then invest at much higher returns elsewhere,"

And then pull it out in a panic as they did during the East Asian crisis in the late 90s and the European periphery's debt crisis recently.

or with subprime and mortgage-backed securities with the housing bubbble.


[Aug 16, 2015] The Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity Republicans Cant Face the Truth About Iraq

"...For Cheney and his oil pals, conquering Iraq would secure the Arab world's biggest oil reserves for Uncle Sam and offer a central military base in the region. For Washington's bloodthirsty neocons, pulverizing Iraq would remove one of Israel's most determined enemies, crush the only Arab nation that might challenge Israel's nuclear monopoly, and cost Israel nothing. Invading Iraq produced the slow disintegration of the Mideast so long sought by militant Zionists."
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"...It all worked brilliantly, at least from Israel's viewpoint. Not, however for the US. Bush's invasion shattered Iraq, led to al-Qaida and ISIS, and left Washington saddled with a $1 trillion-dollar bill instead of the $60 million cost estimated by Wolfowitz. The Mideast is in a tailspin, Palestinians are totally isolated, and Egypt, the region's key nation, is run by an Arab-fascist military dictatorship."
August 15, 2015 | ronpaulinstitute.org

Gov. Jeb Bush repeated one of the biggest falsehoods of our time during the recent presidential candidate debate: "we were misled (into the Iraq War) by faulty intelligence."

US intelligence was not "misled." It was ordered by the real, de facto president, Dick Cheney, to provide excuses for a war of aggression against Saddam Hussein's Iraq.

PM Tony Blair, forced British intelligence services to "sex up" reports that Iraq had nuclear weapons; he purged the government and the venerable broadcaster BBC of journalists who failed to amplify Blair's lies. Bush and Blair reportedly discussed painting a US Air Force plane in UN colors and getting it to buzz Iraqi anti-aircraft sites in hope the Iraqis would fire on it. Bush told Blair that after conquering Iraq, he intended to invade Iran, Syria, Libya and Pakistan.

In fact, Iraq had no "weapons of mass destruction," save some rusty barrels of mustard and nerve gas that had been supplied by the US and Britain for use against Iran. I broke this story from Baghdad back in late 1990.

Tyler Drumheller, who died last week, was the former chief of CIA's European division. He was the highest-ranking intelligence officer to go public and accuse the Bush administration of hyping fabricated evidence to justify invading Iraq.

Drumheller was particularly forceful in denouncing the Iraqi defector codenamed "Curveball," whose ludicrous claims about mobile Iraqi germ laboratories were trumpeted before the UN by former Secretary of State Colin Powell. "Curveball's" claims were outright lies and Powell, whose career was ruined by parroting these absurd allegations, should have known better.

"Curveball" was an 'agent provocateur' clearly sent by a neighbor of Iraq to help promote a US attack on that nation. Whether it was Kuwait, Saudi Arabia or Israel that sent Curveball," we still don't know. All three fabricated "evidence" against Iraq and passed it to Washington. That is where US intelligence was indeed misled. But that's only a minor part of the story.

A Washington cabal of pro-Israel neocons, oil men, and old-fashioned imperialists joined to promote a grossly illegal invasion of oil-rich Iraq. One of its senior members, former Pentagon official Paul Wolfowitz, admitted that weapons of mass destruction was chosen as the most convenient and emotive pretext for war. Orders went out to CIA and NSA to find information linking Iraq to 9/11 and weapons of mass destruction.

Some of the worst torture inflicted on suspects kidnapped by CIA's action teams was designed to make them admit to a link between 9/11 and Saddam Hussein. There was, of course, none. But administration officials, like the odious Condoleeza Rice, kept broadly hinting at a nuclear threat to America.

Prior to the 2003 invasion of Iraq, polls showed a majority of Americans believed Iraq was threatening the US with nuclear attack and was behind 9/11. Amazingly, a poll taken of self-professed evangelical Christians just before the US attacked Iraq showed that over 80% supported war against Iraq. So much for turning the other cheek.

Most of the US media, notably the New York Times, Washington Post and Wall Street Journal, amplified the lies of the Bush administration. TV networks were ordered never to show American military casualties or civilian dead. Those, like this writer, who questioned the rational for war, or who wouldn't go along with the party line, were blanked out from print and TV.

For example, I was immediately dropped from a major TV network after daring mention that Israel supported the 2003 Iraq war and would benefit from it. I was blacklisted by another major US TV network at the direct demand of the Bush White House for repeatedly insisting that Iraq had no nuclear capability.

Very few analysts, journalists, or politicians took time to ask: even if Iraq had nuclear weapons, how could they be delivered to North America? Iraq had no long-range bombers and no missiles with range greater than 100kms. Perhaps by FedEx? No one asked, why would Iraq invite national suicide by trying to hit the US with a nuclear weapon?

The most original answer came from George W. Bush: nefarious Iraqi freighters were lurking in the North Atlantic carrying "drones of death" that would attack sleeping America. This hallucination was based on a single report that the bumbling Iraqis were working a children's model airplane that, in the end, broke and never flew. What inspired such a phantasmagoria? Pot, too much bourbon, LSD, or thundering orders from Dick Cheney to find a damned good excuse for invading Iraq.

For Cheney and his oil pals, conquering Iraq would secure the Arab world's biggest oil reserves for Uncle Sam and offer a central military base in the region. For Washington's bloodthirsty neocons, pulverizing Iraq would remove one of Israel's most determined enemies, crush the only Arab nation that might challenge Israel's nuclear monopoly, and cost Israel nothing. Invading Iraq produced the slow disintegration of the Mideast so long sought by militant Zionists.

It all worked brilliantly, at least from Israel's viewpoint. Not, however for the US. Bush's invasion shattered Iraq, led to al-Qaida and ISIS, and left Washington saddled with a $1 trillion-dollar bill instead of the $60 million cost estimated by Wolfowitz. The Mideast is in a tailspin, Palestinians are totally isolated, and Egypt, the region's key nation, is run by an Arab-fascist military dictatorship.

Tyler Drumheller was the only senior CIA officer to stand up and tell Americans they were lied into an unnecessary, illegal war. Today, we have Iraqi déjà vu anew as the lie factories and fear mongers work overtime to promote war with Iran.

Reprinted with permission from EricMargolis.com.

[Aug 16, 2015] Iran Nuclear Deal: Why Empire Blinked First

August 14, 2015 | ronpaulinstitute.org

We've now spent three weeks watching American politicians argue needlessly over the Iran nuclear deal. For or against, they all miss this one salient point: It is the US that needed to end this standoff with Iran – not the other way around.

For years we have been hearing that US sanctions "were biting" and had "teeth." Sanctions, it was said, would "change Iranian behaviors," whether in regards to the Islamic Republic's "support of terrorism," its "calculations" over its nuclear program, or by turning popular Iranian sentiment against its government.

Here is US President Obama spinning the fairytale at full volume:

"We put in place an unprecedented regime of sanctions that has crippled Iran's economy…And it is precisely because of the international sanctions and the coalition that we were able to build internationally that the Iranian people responded by saying, we need a new direction in how we interact with the international community and how we deal with this sanctions regime. And that's what brought President Rouhani to power."
There is, of course, scant evidence that any of this is true.

If anything, on the economic front, the net effect of sanctions has been to rally Iranians behind domestic production and thrift – establishing both the discipline and policy focus necessary to sustain the country indefinitely. A 2013 Congressional Research Service (CRS) report explains this unintended consequence of sanctions:

"There is a growing body of opinion and Iranian assertions that indicates that Iran, through actions of the government and the private sector, is mitigating the economic effect of sanctions. Some argue that Iran might even benefit from sanctions over the long term by being compelled to diversify its economy and reduce dependence on oil revenues. Iran's 2013-2014 budget relies far less on oil exports than have previous budgets, and its exports of minerals, cement, urea fertilizer, and other agricultural and basic industrial goods are increasing substantially."
Sanctions didn't succeed on the political front either. By in large, Iranians did not hold their leadership responsible for sanctions-related economic duress, nor did they seek rapprochement with the West as a way out. The US continues to flog the narrative that Iranians elected President Hassan Rouhani in a bid to "moderate" foreign policy stances, but a survey conducted by US pollster Zogby Research Services in the immediate aftermath of Rouhani's election turns that premise on its head:

Ninety-six percent of Iranians surveyed agreed with the statement that "maintaining the right to advance a nuclear program is worth the price being paid in economic sanctions and international isolation." Of those polled, a mere five percent of Iranians felt that improved relations with the US and the West were their top priority.

No, sanctions have not worked in any of the ways they were intended.
So if the Iranians were not 'dragged' to the negotiating table, then what was the sudden incentive behind a multilateral effort to forge a deal in 2015 - 36 years after the first US non-nuclear sanctions were levied against the Islamic Republic, and nine years after the UN Security Council first issued nuclear-related sanctions?

Keep in mind that both the Iranians and the permanent members of the UNSC have offered up proposals to end the nuclear deadlock since 2003. So why, this deal, now?

Could it be that the Americans had simply blinked first?

And the world turned

It must be understood that much of this nuclear brouhaha has nothing to do with Iran actually possessing or aspiring to possess nuclear weapons. The Islamic Republic neither has nuclear weapons, nor does it profess to want them.
US intelligence agencies, over the years, have conceded that Iran has not even made the "decision" to pursue weaponization, and the IAEA has repeatedly stated in 52 periodic assessment reports that there has been "no diversion"of nuclear materials to a weapons program.

In short, all the fuss has really only ever been about containing, isolating and taming a developing nation with aspirations that challenge Empire's hegemony.
Iran was never going to be able to change the rules of the game single-handedly. That is, until the game itself shifted hands and direction.

In 2012, cracks in the global economic and political power structures started to shift dramatically. We started to see the emergence of the BRICS, in particular Russia and China, as influential movers of global events. Whether it was a shift in trading currencies from the conventional dollar/euro to the rupee/yuan/ruble, or the emergence of new global economic/defense institutions initiated by BRICS member states, the world's middle powers began to assert themselves and project power on the international stage.

But it was in the vast and complicated Middle East arena that old power and new power came to clash most ferociously.

In November 2011, the year of the Arab uprisings, the BRICS announced their first collective foreign policy statement, urging the rejection of foreign intervention in Syria's internal affairs.

By 2012, it started becoming clear that the crisis in Syria was being heavily fomented by external players, including the three UNSC Western permanent members, the US, UK and France and their regional allies, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and NATO-member Turkey.

In 2012, it also became clear that Al-Qaeda and other militant Islamist fighters were dominating the opposition inside the Syrian military theater and that these elements were being backed by the United States and its allies.

The American calculus, at this point, was to allow and even encourage the proliferation of fighters prepared to unseat the government of Syrian President Bashar Assad, anticipating that at some future date they could then reverse the gains of radicals.

Assad did not fall, but extremism – fueled by funding, arming and training from US allies – entrenched itself further in Syria.

This did not go unnoticed in Washington, which has always struggled to make a coherent case for its Syria strategies. The rise of ISIS (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) and the flood of jihadists into the Syrian theater began to change the American calculations. The US began to work on hedging its bets…and that is when Iran began to factor significantly in America's Plan B.

That Plan B began in mid-2012, just as Saudi Arabia's incoming intelligence chief Bandar bin Sultan was preparing for a violent escalation in Syria, one that would exacerbate the Islamist militancy in the Levant exponentially.

That July, secret backchannel talks between the United States and Iran were established in Oman, kicked off, according to the Wall Street Journal, by "a pattern of inducements offered by Washington to coax Tehran to the table."

Take note that the Americans initiated this process, not the allegedly "sanctions-fatigued" Iranians, and that this outreach began when Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was at the helm, not his successor Rouhani.

Iran – or bust

Iran's elite Quds Force Commander Qassem Soleimani said a few months ago: "Today, there is nobody in confrontation with [IS] except the Islamic Republic of Iran, as well as nations who are next to Iran or supported by Iran."

If you look at the array of ground forces amassed against Islamist radicals from Lebanon to Iraq, they consist almost entirely of elements allied with the Islamic Republic, or are recipients of weapons and sometimes training provided by the Iranians.

There are no combat forces from Western states and none from their Arab or Turkish allies within the region.

'Boots on the ground' are essential in asymmetrical warfare, but the US military will continue to oppose inserting its troops into direct combat situations in Syria and Iraq.

In a Telegraph op-ed on the eve of the Vienna nuclear agreement, Britain's influential former ambassador to Washington Christopher Meyer wrote:

"Whether we like it or not, we are in de facto alliance against ISIL with Assad of Syria and with Iran, the implacable foe of our long-standing ally, Sunni Saudi Arabia…. if ISIL is able to expand further in the Middle East, won't this unavoidably lead to the conclusion that our strategic ally in the region for the 21st century must be Iran?"
This is the conundrum Washington began facing in 2012. And so it set in motion a face-saving strategy to enable itself to "deal" with Iran directly.

The Vienna Agreement

Here's what the Iran nuclear deal does – besides the obvious: it takes the old American-Iranian "baggage" off the table for the US administration, allowing it the freedom to pursue more pressing shared political objectives with Iran.

The Iranians understood full well in Vienna that they were operating from a strong regional position and that the US needed this deal more urgently. The Americans tried several times to get Iran to expand discussions to address regional issues on a parallel track, but the Iranians refused point-blank. They were not prepared to allow the US to gain any leverage in various regional battlefields in order to weaken Iran's position within broader talks.

Although the Iranians are careful to point out that the Vienna agreement is only as good as the "intentions" of their partners, this deal is essentially a satisfactory one for Tehran. It ensures rigorous verification that Iran is not pursuing a nuclear weapons program, which is great for a country that doesn't seek one.
It also provides Iran with protections against 'over-inspection' and baseless accusations, dismisses all UNSC resolutions against the Islamic Republic, recognizes the country's enrichment program, provides extensive international sanctions relief, binds all UN member-states to this agreement (yes, Israel too) and nails down an end-date for this whole nuclear saga.

The deal also frees up Iran to pursue its regional plans with less inhibitions.
"What the president (Obama) and his aides do not talk about these days - for fear of further antagonizing lawmakers on Capitol Hill who have cast Iran as the ultimate enemy of the United States - are their grander ambitions for a deal they hope could open up relations with Tehran and be part of a transformation in the Middle East," reads a post-Vienna article in the New York Times.

US Secretary of State John Kerry, commenting after the deal, said: "I know that a Middle East that is on fire is going to be more manageable with this deal and opens more potential for us to be able to deal with those fires, whether it is Houthi in Yemen or ISIL in Syria and Iraq than no deal and the potential of another confrontation with Iran at the same time."

"The Iran agreement is a disaster for ISIS," blares the headline from a post-agreement op-ed by EU foreign affairs chief Frederica Mogherini. She explains:

"ISIS is spreading its vicious and apocalyptic ideology in the Middle East and beyond…An alliance of civilizations can be our most powerful weapon in the fight against terror…We need to restart political processes to end wars. We need to get all regional powers back to the negotiating table and stop the carnage. Cooperation between Iran, its neighbors and the whole international community could open unprecedented possibilities of peace for the region, starting from Syria, Yemen and Iraq."
Clearly, for Western leaders Iran is an essential component in any fight against ISIS and other like-minded terror groups. Just as clearly, they have realized that excluding Iran from the resolution of various regional conflicts is a non-starter.
That is some significant back-tracking from earlier Western positions explicitly excluding Iran from a seat at the table on Mideast matters.

And stay tuned for further policy revisions - once this train gets underway, it will indeed be "transformative."

As for the Iran nuclear deal…except for some hotheads in Congress and the US media, most of the rest of the world has already moved on. As chief US negotiator and undersecretary for political affairs, Wendy Sherman said recently: "If we walk away, quite frankly we walk away alone."

The balance of power has shifted decisively in the Middle East. Washington wants out of the mess it helped create, and it can't exit the region without Iran's help. The agreement in Vienna was reached to facilitate this possibility. Iran is not inclined to reward the US for bad behavior, but will also likely not resist efforts to broker regional political settlements that make sense.

It was not a weak Iran that came to the final negotiations in Vienna and it was not a crippled Iran that left that table.

As New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman (for once) aptly observed:

"It is stunning to me how well the Iranians, sitting alone on their side of the table, have played a weak hand against the United States, Russia, China, France, Germany and Britain on their side of the table. When the time comes, I'm hiring (Iran's Supreme Leader) Ali Khamenei to sell my house."
Iran just exited UNSC Chapter 7 sanctions via diplomacy rather than war, and it's now focusing its skill-sets on unwinding conflict in the Middle East. If you're planning to challenge Empire anytime soon, make sure to get a copy of Iran's playbook. Nobody plays the long game better - and with more patience.

Reprinted with permission from RT.

[Aug 16, 2015] Deal or War': Is Doomed Dollar Really Behind Obama's Iran Warning?

"..."At that point, I think much of the world would have had enough of the US use of the international payments system to dictate to others, and they would cease transacting in dollars."
The US dollar would henceforth lose its status as the key global reserve currency for the conduct of international trade and financial transactions..."
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"...Many analysts have long wondered at how the US dollar has managed to defy economic laws, given that its preeminence as the world's reserve currency is no longer merited by the fundamentals of the US economy. Massive indebtedness, chronic unemployment, loss of manufacturing base, trade and budget deficits are just some of the key markers, despite official claims of "recovery.""
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"..."If the dollar lost the reserve currency status, US power would decline," says Roberts. "Washington's financial hegemony, such as the ability to impose sanctions, would vanish, and Washington would no longer be able to pay its bills by printing money. Moreover, the loss of reserve currency status would mean a drop in the demand for dollars and a drop in willingness to hold them. Therefore, the dollar's exchange value would fall, and rising prices of imports would import inflation into the US economy.""
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"...Doug Casey, a top American investment analyst, last week warned that the woeful state of the US economy means that the dollar is teetering on the brink of a long-overdue crash. "You're going to see very high levels of inflation. It's going to be quite catastrophic," says Casey. He added that the crash will also presage a collapse in the American banking system which is carrying trillions of dollars of toxic debt derivatives, at levels much greater than when the system crashed in 2007-08.... "Now, when interest rates inevitably go up from these artificially suppressed levels where they are now, the bond market is going to collapse, the stock market is going to collapse, and with it, the real estate market is going to collapse. Pension funds are going to be wiped out… This is a very bad situation. The US is digging itself in deeper and deeper," said Casey, who added the telling question: "Then what's going to happen?"..."
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"...President Obama's grim warning of "deal or war" seems to provide an answer. Faced with economic implosion on an epic scale, the US may be counting on war as its other option..."
August 15, 2015 | ronpaulinstitute.org

US President Barack Obama has given an extraordinary ultimatum to the Republican-controlled Congress, arguing that they must not block the nuclear accord with Iran. It's either "deal or war," he says.

In a televised nationwide address on August 5, Obama said: "Congressional rejection of this deal leaves any US administration that is absolutely committed to preventing Iran from getting a nuclear weapon with one option: another war in the Middle East. I say this not to be provocative. I am stating a fact."

The American Congress is due to vote on whether to accept the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action signed July 14 between Iran and the P5+1 group of world powers – the US, Britain, France, Germany, Russia and China. Republicans are openly vowing to reject the JCPOA, along with hawkish Democrats such as Senator Chuck Schumer. Opposition within the Congress may even be enough to override a presidential veto to push through the nuclear accord.

In his drastic prediction of war, one might assume that Obama is referring to Israel launching a preemptive military strike on Iran with the backing of US Republicans. Or that he is insinuating that Iran will walk from self-imposed restraints on its nuclear program to build a bomb, thus triggering a war.

But what could really be behind Obama's dire warning of "deal or war" is another scenario – the collapse of the US dollar, and with that the implosion of the US economy.

That scenario was hinted at this week by US Secretary of State John Kerry. Speaking in New York on August 11, Kerry made the candid admission that failure to seal the nuclear deal could result in the US dollar losing its status as the top international reserve currency.

"If we turn around and nix the deal and then tell [US allies], 'You're going to have to obey our rules and sanctions anyway,' that is a recipe, very quickly for the American dollar to cease to be the reserve currency of the world."

In other words, what really concerns the Obama administration is that the sanctions regime it has crafted on Iran – and has compelled other nations to abide by over the past decade – will be finished. And Iran will be open for business with the European Union, as well as China and Russia.

It is significant that within days of signing the Geneva accord, Germany, France, Italy and other EU governments hastened to Tehran to begin lining up lucrative investment opportunities in Iran's prodigious oil and gas industries. China and Russia are equally well-placed and more than willing to resume trading partnerships with Iran. Russia has signed major deals to expand Iran's nuclear energy industry.

American writer Paul Craig Roberts said that the US-led sanctions on Iran and also against Russia have generated a lot of frustration and resentment among Washington's European allies.

"US sanctions against Iran and Russia have cost businesses in other countries a lot of money," Roberts told this author.

"Propaganda about the Iranian nuke threat and Russian threat is what caused other countries to cooperate with the sanctions. If a deal worked out over much time by the US, Russia, China, UK, France and Germany is blocked, other countries are likely to cease cooperating with US sanctions."

Roberts added that if Washington were to scuttle the nuclear accord with Iran, and then demand a return to the erstwhile sanctions regime, the other international players will repudiate the American diktat.

"At that point, I think much of the world would have had enough of the US use of the international payments system to dictate to others, and they would cease transacting in dollars."

The US dollar would henceforth lose its status as the key global reserve currency for the conduct of international trade and financial transactions.

Former World Bank analyst Peter Koenig says that if the nuclear accord unravels, Iran will be free to trade its oil and gas – worth trillions of dollars – in bilateral currency deals with the EU, Japan, India, South Korea, China and Russia, in much the same way that China and Russia and other members of the BRICS nations have already begun to do so.

That outcome will further undermine the US dollar. It will gradually become redundant as a mechanism of international payment.

Koenig argues that this implicit threat to the dollar is the real, unspoken cause for anxiety in Washington. The long-running dispute with Iran, he contends, was never about alleged weapons of mass destruction. Rather, the real motive was for Washington to preserve the dollar's unique global standing.

"The US-led standoff with Iran has nothing to do with nuclear weapons," says Koenig. The issue is: will Iran eventually sell its huge reserves of hydrocarbons in other currencies than the dollar, as they intended to do in 2007 with an Iranian Oil Bourse? That is what instigated the American-contrived fake nuclear issue in the first place."

This is not just about Iran. It is about other major world economies moving away from holding the US dollar as a means of doing business. If the US unilaterally scuppers the international nuclear accord, Washington will no longer be able to enforce its financial hegemony, which the sanctions regime on Iran has underpinned.

Many analysts have long wondered at how the US dollar has managed to defy economic laws, given that its preeminence as the world's reserve currency is no longer merited by the fundamentals of the US economy. Massive indebtedness, chronic unemployment, loss of manufacturing base, trade and budget deficits are just some of the key markers, despite official claims of "recovery."

As Paul Craig Roberts commented, the dollar's value has only been maintained because up to now the rest of the world needs the greenback to do business with. That dependency has allowed the US Federal Reserve to keep printing banknotes in quantities that are in no way commensurate with the American economy's decrepit condition.

"If the dollar lost the reserve currency status, US power would decline," says Roberts. "Washington's financial hegemony, such as the ability to impose sanctions, would vanish, and Washington would no longer be able to pay its bills by printing money. Moreover, the loss of reserve currency status would mean a drop in the demand for dollars and a drop in willingness to hold them. Therefore, the dollar's exchange value would fall, and rising prices of imports would import inflation into the US economy."

Doug Casey, a top American investment analyst, last week warned that the woeful state of the US economy means that the dollar is teetering on the brink of a long-overdue crash. "You're going to see very high levels of inflation. It's going to be quite catastrophic," says Casey.

He added that the crash will also presage a collapse in the American banking system which is carrying trillions of dollars of toxic debt derivatives, at levels much greater than when the system crashed in 2007-08.

The picture he painted isn't pretty: "Now, when interest rates inevitably go up from these artificially suppressed levels where they are now, the bond market is going to collapse, the stock market is going to collapse, and with it, the real estate market is going to collapse. Pension funds are going to be wiped out… This is a very bad situation. The US is digging itself in deeper and deeper," said Casey, who added the telling question: "Then what's going to happen?"

President Obama's grim warning of "deal or war" seems to provide an answer. Faced with economic implosion on an epic scale, the US may be counting on war as its other option.

Reprinted with permission from RT.

[Aug 15, 2015] Radek Sikorski Throws Eggs At Ben Judah And Blake Hounshell - Hits Faces

As Russian is now official enemy of the US empire, to slander Russia became the new non-contact sport for Polish neocon "athletes". Radek Sikorski decided to rush for the gold medal.
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Yesterday Politico promoted a story about "Putin's Coup written by junior neocon Ben Judah. The lede:

The war in Ukraine is no longer only about Ukraine. The conflict has transformed Russia. This increasingly is what European leaders and diplomats believe: that Vladimir Putin and his security establishment have used the fog of war in Ukraine to shroud the final establishment of his brittle imperialist dictatorship in Moscow.

Among those who believe that this is happening, and that Europe will be facing down a more menacing Russia for a long time to come, is Radek Sikorski, who was Poland's foreign minister from 2007 until September.

Anything that starts off by calling the elected government of the Russian Federation an "imperialist dictatorship" is obviously rubbish.

But the hard right-wing Radek Sikorski, who ones had a U.S. passport and is married to the neocon Washington Post columnist Anne Appelbaum, always makes some funny jokes like identifying Obama's grandfather as a cannibal so I read on.

And I was right, there were some really funny lines in there:

Russia has attempted to involve Poland in the invasion of Ukraine, just as if it were a post-modern re-run of the historic partitions of Poland. "He wanted us to become participants in this partition of Ukraine," says Sikorski. "Putin wants Poland to commit troops to Ukraine. These were the signals they sent us. … We have known how they think for years. We have known this is what they think for years. This was one of the first things that Putin said to my prime minister, Donald Tusk, [soon to be President of the European Council] when he visited Moscow. He went on to say Ukraine is an artificial country and that Lwow is a Polish city and why don't we just sort it out together. Luckily Tusk didn't answer. He knew he was being recorded."

So Russia was planning, in 2008, to divide Ukraine between Poland and itself? Why the hell should or would Russia ever take up such a burden? Why should it create a mess in Eastern Europe which would be against all its interests? Anyone who has intelligently watched Putin and Russian politics would immediately recognize that Sikorski's claim is obviously false. Putin does realpolitik, always and ever. He reacts when Russia gets attacked, by Georgia's artillery on Russian peacekeepers or by a U.S. plotted neonazi coup in Kiev, but he is certainly not one who will risk anything significant for some lunatic imperial phantasy.

Whoever came up with that funny joke must have had way too many drinks. And the reporter who believed it and the editor who published it must have way too few braincells.

Reuters though thought differently, or just for fun wanted to stir the caldron, and distributed the nonsense on its wire.

Following that wire, Russia characterized the claim as "a fable" and Sikorski was pressed to take it back. That did not go well either:

In a news conference on Tuesday, Sikorski was vague about whether he made those exact remarks to Politico Magazine and told journalists to refer to another interview he gave to a Polish media website. He said there that he didn't hear Putin's words firsthand, but stressed that they were treated in 2008 as "surrealistic" or a joke.

Later in the day, he held a second news conference where he said his memory had failed him in the interview with Politico Magazine and that the bilateral meeting between Tusk and Putin didn't take place in Moscow, as he said earlier, but at the NATO summit in Bucharest in April 2008.

So Sikorski said:

  • "Putin suggested to Tusk to divide Ukraine between themselves."
  • "Putin suggested to Tusk to divide Ukraine between themselves, but it was a joke."
  • "Putin suggested to Tusk to divide Ukraine between themselves, but I wasn't present at the conservation."
  • "No such conservation took place and I certainly was not present when it happened."

Sikorski even got the place of Putin-Tusk meeting wrong. The Politico author and editors, Blake Hounshell in this case, obviously did not even do a basic fact-checking of their sources claims.

Sikorski is nuts. Everyone in Europe knows this and that is exactly the reason why he was recently fired as Foreign Minister of Poland and reassigned to play Speaker of Parliament where one had hoped that he would produce less nonsense. As that reassignment did not help it is now really time to send him off to the American Enterprise Institute or some other asylum for neoconned lunatics. His boss seems to agree:

Prime Minister Ewa Kopacz, who's in the same party as Sikorski, criticized him for dodging reporters' questions on the issue at the first conference. Political opponents want him fired, saying there is no room in politics for what they called irresponsibility.

Kopacz said she expected Sikorski to directly answer reporters' questions.

"I will not tolerate this kind of behavior. I will not tolerate this kind of standards that Speaker Sikorski tried to present at today's (news) conference," Kopacz said.

Note to reporters and editors: Publishing such nonsense like Sikorski's obviously rubbish claims is egg on your faces. Lots of it.

Oui | Oct 21, 2014 3:38:59 PM | 1

.. who once had a U.S. passport.

He held a British passport, worked as a "roving reporter" for National Reniew in Angola on the UNITA project with neocons like Condi Rice, Abramoff and Gingrich; witnessed the first Stinger missiles handed to mujihadeen in Tora Bora; worked for AEI and the Atlantic Initiative; pushed the Orange Revolution in Ukraine, was defense minister and FM in Poland and is married to Anne Applebaum.

National Review reporter Sikorski as witness to US Congress: The Mystique of Savimbi | Oct. 12, 1989 |
Radek Sikorski Returns to Ukraine's Headlines: Putin's Coup

james | Oct 21, 2014 3:59:21 PM | 2

this guy should get a gig working with the usa state dept.. oh wait - i guess he indirectly does in a weird sort of way thru his bozo propagandist wife annie applepants..great couple.. i take it they live in the usa, right?

Oui | Oct 21, 2014 4:00:58 PM | 3

We don't have Faux News, however the public news broadcast treats the Dutch with "neutral" observers on Ukraine and Putin's Russia with Ben Judah and Anne Applebaum.

Nana2007 | Oct 21, 2014 4:09:06 PM | 4

It's sad to think that the great experiment in democracy that is the US has devolved into 'making it up as we go along'' and a core belief in ignorance. The US at it's inception was bankrolled by Russian trade and diplomacy, so I guess it would be fitting if it be undermined by the same. With senility spreading among even the junior elite quicker than Ebola, the words 'We will bury you' are looking more prescient by the day.

Anonymous | Oct 21, 2014 4:15:31 PM | 5

Here he is..
http://freepl.info/uploads/foto/2011/08/radek_sikorski_w_afganistanie.jpg

Hugo First | Oct 21, 2014 4:24:47 PM | 6

The initial claim goes out, is picked up on the wire, and after that all the retractions and controversy are quickly lost in the shuffle as more scurrilous claims are stuffed into the slobbering maw of gullible "news" consumers. This is how the game is played, and it is cynical and insults the intelligence of anyone able to recall what was said or done last week, but it reminds me of people who drive while their attention is focused on their ongoing cellphone conversation: they barely know what's going on around them, and forget about what they've driven past.

somebody | Oct 21, 2014 4:28:49 PM | 7

It is an old idea - last being floated in March

Reuters) - A prominent Russian politician has proposed dividing Ukraine along the lines of an infamous Nazi-Soviet pact and suggested that regions in Western Ukraine hold referendums on breaking away from Kiev.

In a letter sent to the governments of Poland, Romania and Hungary, Vladimir Zhirinovsky also suggested those countries hold referendums on incorporating the regions into their territory.

Zhirinovsky, whose nationalist Liberal Democratic party largely backs President Vladimir Putin in the Russian parliament, sent the letter as Russia annexed the Crimea region of southern Ukraine last week.

He is deputy speaker at the Duma and his party holds a minority in the parliament. But his ideas and language resonate with a large part of the Russian population and the Kremlin's increasingly pro-nationalist rhetoric.

His letter, seen by Reuters, suggested Poland, Hungary and Romania, who are now in the European Union, might wish to take back regions which he said were in the past their territories.

The regions were incorporated into Ukraine when it was part of the Soviet Union at the end of World War Two and featured in a secret annex of the 1939 Molotov-Ribbentrop pact under which the Soviet and Nazi German foreign ministers carved up the area.

The politics of this are beyond my understanding. But Reuters considering it news in March - and straining the news to implicate Putin - presumably was supposed to embarrass Germany by referencing the Hitler Stalin pact, which actually was something completely different.

Sikorski spreading the rumour is crazy. I suspect a lot of people threaten to wash dirty linen just now when Europe is supposed to pay for Ukraine's gas and Poland's activities in Ukraine could be part of it.

I guess it is due to the negotiations process. Ukraine's position does not look good. Talking of the Polish partition does nothing to improve it.

There seems a lot of hard bargaining going on - the United States suddenly sanction Hungarian.

Don Bacon | Oct 21, 2014 4:52:37 PM | 9

@somebody #7
...Reuters considering it news in March...

"News" ain't what it used to be, if it ever was. Only a small part of Reuters is news, most of it is financials. Same with Bloomberg and Wall Street Journal, etc. (Reuters and Bloomberg are particularly helpful in promoting stock activity when the place the ticker symbol after the corporate name in "news" articles.)

wiki--Reuters Group plc was a British multinational media and financial information company headquartered in London, United Kingdom. It merged with The Thomson Corporation in 2008, forming Thomson Reuters. Reuters Group was best known for the Reuters news agency, which was the original business of the company. By the time of its merger with Thomson the bulk of Reuters Group's revenues came from the provision of financial market data, with news reporting comprising less than 10% of its turnover.

Look at the Reuters news header to get an idea of Reuters' priorities:
home-business-markets-world-politics etc
So what was the financial benefit to Reuters with this bogus "news?" I don't know, but I bet they knew.

Michal | Oct 21, 2014 4:56:35 PM | 10

Kopacz is not his boss. Actually the Speaker of Parliament is a higher rank than Prime Minister, or at least parallel in constitutional hierarchy. She might be considered his boss within the party but still she's not the one who decides there.

Anyway, being Polish, I'm happy that this utter idiot is not representing my country abroad anymore. I hope after this incident he will be flushed down the toilet. Pity that in politics shit often resurfaces.

Almand | Oct 21, 2014 4:57:00 PM | 11

Sikorski maybe a loose cannon, but isn't some partition of the Ukraine an inevitabilty? Eastern Ukraine has no reason to ever trust the coup government again, and reconciliation doesn't seem to be an option anymore. Neither the EU nor Russia wants the responsibility of propping up the rapidly failing state (to say nothing of the gas bill owed Russia).

Regardless, the idea that Russia would want a new border region full of hostile Ukrainians inside a hostile, NATO member Poland seems a touch... absurd. Then again, what's the need for logic when dredging up bad memories of WW2?

[Aug 10, 2015] Big myth that Yanukovych was pro-Russian

karl1haushofer, August 8, 2015 at 7:32 am
"This is good to remember, because long before Maidan, every single government in "independent Ukraine" was a puppet of the West and incessantly plotting against Russia."

Even Yanukovich government???

Moscow Exile, August 8, 2015 at 8:24 am
Big myth that Yanukovych was pro-Russian.

He was pro-Viktor Yanukovych.

And Putin, they say, can't stand him: never could.

At least, that's what a man who rods the blocked drains at the Kremlin Palace told me.

This person, Elizabeth Pond, believes that "the reasons why Putin can't stand Yanukovich are: First, Yanukovich wasn't smart enough not to kill the goose while he was pocketing golden eggs, and second, Yanukovich had the effrontery to play off Russia and the EU for two years".

Medvedev used to suck-hole up to Yanukovych though:

Well he would, wouldn't he?

marknesop, August 8, 2015 at 11:14 am
It often seemed that Putin could barely restrain himself from being openly impatient with Yanukovych, and he seemed to me (just a personal opinion, unsupported by anything analytical) to consider Yanukovych a provincial clod not a great deal different from Yeltsin. For his part, Yanukovych appeared thoroughly committed to the EU Association agreement and subsequent EU membership – which probably would have happened quite briskly, had Ukraine not been shattered by war and assuming it remained intact – even going so far as to hold that private and semi-secret meeting (in a theatre or something, wasn't it?) that we learned of via our talented researcher Peter, in which he allegedly raged at his government that Ukraine was irrevocably on an EU course and he would have the guts of anyone who did not get on board the plan. It seems very ironic now to observe that had the west not pulled the rug out from under Yanukovych – in a display of overconfidence that is so typical as to constitute the default – by insisting that Tymoshenko be freed as a condition, then compounding the error by pulling the trigger on a violent coup, there is every reason to imagine they would have gotten the whole of Ukraine, including Crimea, none the worse for wear.

[Aug 10, 2015]Naryshkin: the US wants to grab the natural resources of other countries

For this purpose, according to the speaker, America and leads the sanctions against Russia. The United States plans not only to maintain the dollar as the sole world currency, but I want to get as close to the economic resources of other countries in the world, according to the Chairman of the state Duma Sergey Naryshkin.

"Actually, because of that, the U.S. has now published a new list of Russian organizations and individuals, giving instructions to their banks (and with them European) to work with our structures and look for any and all reasons," he said in his article published in "Rossiyskaya Gazeta".

Naryshkin believes that America "stops to help even the existence of global "printing press". "Do not save and complete control over NATO, wiretapping and blackmail "League" of European Union. The colonizers "model of the XXI century" - all this is not enough. The main goal is to assign to American jurisdiction global monopolies, and to maintain his influence on the financial system of the world, to stay here the only Potentate," said Naryshkin.

[Aug 09, 2015] The intention of installing Gaidar in a position of power in Ukraine is to infuriate Russia

Moscow Exile, August 8, 2015 at 3:11 am
Мария Гайдар отказалась от российского гражданства

Maria Gaidar renounces Russian citizenship

On Friday, August 7, Maria Gaidar, the newly created assistant to the Odessa Region governor, Mikhail Saakashvili, wrote a statement renouncing her Russian citizenship.

"I do not know when this might take place: it is just a formality that I was ready for and I wrote the statement", she told reporters.

Up to then, Gaidar had insisted that she was not going to voluntarily give up her Russian citizenship. And if she was deprived of it, then it would be a "tragic moment".

This week, Ukrainian President Poroshenko personally handed her a Ukrainian citizen's passport, Gaidar thereupon stating that she was ready "to share the fate of the Ukrainian people".

It seems that this political whore's stance changes as rapidly as does a real whore's in response to her clients requests.

yalensis, August 8, 2015 at 3:25 am
I don't think that Maria is actually being a whore.

I think this is what she truly believes, and she is willng to take this big risk (losing her Russian passport) for what she believes in.
Which is NATO, Bandera, and the American Way of Life.

Besides, all of this has been brewing ever since August of 2008.

Jen, August 8, 2015 at 4:53 am
I'm thinking that Maria Gaidar, like Kurt of Lemberg, lives in a parallel fantasy world and does not realise the full import of what she is doing in renouncing Russian citizenship. Perhaps she half-expects Moscow to refuse or denounce her renunciation and make her into a martyr, in which case the right thing for Moscow to do is to publicly accept her disavowal and say her Russian citizenship will be annulled in due course.
yalensis, August 8, 2015 at 5:05 pm
Maria is making a desperate wager. Like Pushkin's Hermann, she is going all-in, betting everything that she has, on 3 cards, which she received in a mystic vision.

She is wagering that Russia, an ancient and respectable nation of 150 million people, will collapse; and that her new Motherland, a johnny-come-lately nation of 20 years and some 40 million souls, most of them unwilling participants, will flourish, in the arms of NATO..

Instead, it is more likely that Ukraine will dissolve into several parts.

Maria's former boss and lover, Governor NIkita Belykh, will not join her in this illogical wager. He is a kreakl too, but is more of a realist, he knows that the 3 cards are just a cruel scam. This is why he (Nikita) remarked that Maria still has not achieved her final state of self-realization.

kirill, August 8, 2015 at 4:07 am

Good riddance. The rest of the liberast 3% should pack their bags and bugger on off. Fifth column degenerate trash.
marknesop, August 8, 2015 at 9:43 am
As I mentioned previously, I devoutly hope she does indeed share the fate of the Ukrainian people. Cats like her always land on their feet, though, and she'll bug out before things go completely sideways. The difference is that now she will not be able to go back to Russia. Well, maybe not – Ukrainian citizens are still able to travel to Russia at will. But she will have foresworn benefits of Russian citizenship that she will not be able to get back. I reckon she will head off to the Shining City On A Hill for eventual residence, where she will doubtless be received with the ecstasy traditionally reserved for "Russian dissidents".
ThatJ, August 8, 2015 at 12:13 pm
The intention of installing Gaidar in a position of power in Ukraine is to infuriate Russia, but it will backfire: she will be a reminder of liberal treachery and failure.

[Aug 09, 2015] The Link Between Oil Reserves and Oil Prices

Aug 05, 2015 | energytrendsinsider.com

Last December the Energy Information Administration (EIA) released its latest estimate of U.S. Crude Oil and Natural Gas Proved Reserves. Although natural gas reserves rose, the real story was crude oil reserves. The EIA reported that U.S. proved reserves of crude oil and lease condensate had increased for the fifth year in a row, and had exceeded 36 billion barrels for the first time since 1975:

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There are two reasons for this increase in proved reserves. The first is that despite >150 years of oil production in the U.S., new fields are still being discovered. In March 2015 the EIA released its update to the Top 100 U.S. Oil and Gas Fields as a supplement to the December report. This was the EIA's first update on the Top 100 fields since 2009. The most significant addition to the list was the Eagleville field (in the Eagle Ford Shale), which was only discovered in 2009 but is now the top producing oil field in the U.S. In addition to the Eagleville, there were 4 other fields in the Top 100 that were only discovered in 2009. Several others in the Top 100 were discovered in 2007 and 2008.

But the largest additions to reserves weren't via new discoveries at all. The largest reserves additions have been a result of rising oil prices, and this is a source of frequent misunderstanding on the topic on reserves.

An oil resource describes the total amount of oil in place, most of which typically can't be technically or economically recovered. For example, it is estimated that the Bakken Shale centered under North Dakota may contain several hundred billion barrels of oil (the resource). However, what is technically and economically recoverable in the Bakken may be less than 10 billion barrels. The portion that is technically AND economically recoverable is the proved reserve. Because of the requirement that the oil be economically recoverable, proved reserves are a function of oil prices and available technology.

Thus, as oil prices rise, oil resources that may have been discovered decades ago can be shifted into the category of proved reserves. Venezuela provides a perfect case study of this phenomenon. Venezuela has an enormous heavy oil resource in the Orinoco region of the country. But this oil is very expensive to extract. In 2003, Venezuela's proved oil reserves were only 77 billion barrels. At that time Saudi Arabia's reserves were tops in the world at 263 billion barrels.

After the past decade saw oil prices rise to above $100/barrel, more of Venezuela's heavy oil resource became economic to produce. Thus, by 2013 Venezuela's proved reserves were estimated to be tops in the world - 289 billion barrels. Saudi Arabia has now slipped to second with 266 billion barrels.

But that economic argument cuts both ways. Oil and gas resources that became proved reserves as prices rose will be declassified as proved reserves should lower prices render them uneconomical to produce. This is often the reason that companies have to write down proved reserves. It's not that a company believed there was oil or gas and found out later that there wasn't (although that of course also happens), it's generally because a period of depressed prices has rendered those proved reserves to be no longer economical. See the dip in gas reserves in 2012? That was caused by lower prices in 2012, which rebounded somewhat in 2013.

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Because of the crash in oil prices, it is likely that many companies will have to write down their proved reserves - especially those in the PUD category. Thus, for the first time in several years, many companies - and indeed countries, including the U.S. - are likely to see a big drop in their proved reserves at year-end when they file their annual reports. I will discuss this in more detail in an upcoming article.

Note: This is a slightly edited version of an article that originally appeared in the Oil and Gas Monitor called Proved Oil Reserves the Real Story.

[Aug 08, 2015] Vladivostok to St. Petersburg by Car: This Is One New Zealander's Journey

August 4, 2015 | russia-insider.com

Ever wanted to pack a bag and travel across Russia by car? Here's how to do it the Russian way.

[Aug 08, 2015] Russia's Stalinist Diplospeak

[Aug 08, 2015] Alliance between Ukrainian neo-Nazis and Russian fascist groups and individuals

Aug 06, 2015 | marknesop.wordpress.com

yalensis, August 6, 2015 at 2:21 am

Saker has interesting piece about the attempted alliance between Ukrainian neo-Nazis and Russian fascist groups and individuals.

This was in reference to the July 25 demonstration of Right Sektor, Azov, et al, in support of Russian "political prisoners".

A new group which promotes this "nationalist internationale" calls itself "Petr i Mazepa", they favor a reconciliation between Ukrainian and Russian fascists, and claim to represent "Russian nationalists" who also respect "Ukrainian nationalists".

Saker goes on to discuss how the annual "Russian March" (of Russian nationalists, on 4 November) has a majority which is pro-Ukrainian junta.

This is, they sided with Ukrainian Junta against Novorossiya. There is also a video of that Russian March, which shows that the majority of the parties taking part in it, had an anti-Novorossiyan position . But that fact is not very rare position: one of the organizers of Russian March, Denis Tyukin, said in 2014 that " all Russian nationalist youth is supporting Ukraine ". Tyukin, member of the National-Socialist party "Russkie" had been also in the demonstration of 25th of July in Kiev (image below).

And it is not only Tykin, the head of the Russkie movement, Dmitry Dyomushkin, has called in the past for a "Slavic March" in Ukraine to express support for Ukrainian nationalists .

This is interesting development, because it shows that a goodly segment of the Russian nationalist right, just like the liberals, are flocking to see Ukraine as their preferred model of nation-building!

[Aug 08, 2015] Russia's Stalinist Diplospeak

Interesting way to spent taxpayers money to re-invent methods that West is practicing for centuries. Just looks at BBC reporting to find example of tricks described below. Or our unforgettable Jen Psaki.
"...I have analyzed all official communications of the Russian Foreign Ministry from September 2011 to June 2015, indexed them, and run them through a specific linguistic software called Voyant Tools, based on Stanford Natural Language processing toolkit. The total database consists of 2.5 million words, and 21,765 documents. Here's what I found."

Self-questioning

Stalin's classic essay "Marxism and the Issues of Language Studies" gives a perfect example of this style: "The question arises, what have changed in Russian language since the October Revolution? The vocabulary shifted significantly, in a sense that it got amended with a large number of words and idioms."

The question here only "arose" because Stalin himself raised it.

Metonymy

As developed in the Stalinist style, this is when the speaker seamlessly assigns a much broader and encompassing name to refer to a specific thing or constituency. Some pure examples remain in the Soviet archives, such as this statement from 1976:

"Those forces in the West are capable of any deception method to complicate the issue of the termination of the arms race."

"Those forces in the West" refers to the American military-industrial complex but note how much more ambiguously menacing the reformulation is. "Forces" suggests a multitude with global reach.

Proactive Commentary

This is when the speaker says something even if no one is seeking his opinion. Overreaction laden with clichés of ideology and emotive abuse is the defining feature. A classic form of such commentary was an unsolicited "reaction to anti-Soviet hysteria in country X".

The following quote, for instance, is taken from a 1977 Soviet communique:

"In China, (we observe) a widening scale of the anti-Soviet campaign that is maintained by propagandistic institutions and officials at all levels. Chinese press and other media distributes daily obvious lies and slanders in regard to the USSR, those are not much different from imperialist propaganda that has long discredited itself with the peoples of the world."

Now here's one by Russian Foreign Ministry spokesman Alexander Lukashevich, reacting to a U.S. State Department report on human rights in June 2015, which of course contained criticism of Russian human rights abuses:

"The report published on June 25 by The Department of State of the USA on the conditions of human rights in the world, as with all previous opuses, is plagued with politicized remarks and rude ideological stock phrases. The document is nothing more than a serial specimen of American mentorship and lecturing manner in the area of human rights. This manner is grounded on a false logic of US's infallibility and perceived problems other states have on the issue."

In neither case was Moscow's response necessary. It was freely offered, almost with a joyous expectancy of being able to get its "retaliation in first."

Criminal Vocabulary

The Russian Civil War birthed a new gangland vocabulary for everyday use to denigrate real and perceived opponents of the Soviet order. It transcended Stalin's own style to amplify the underlying mood of belligerence, if not mercilessness.

In the 1930s, the Stalinist criminal vocabulary became the subject of a famous satire, Golden Calf by Ilia Ilf and Eugeny Petrov. The central character, Ostap Bender, is a talented adventurist who tries to make his fortune on the edge of NEP (the New Economic Policy, which constituted a temporary turn back to capitalism in the USSR from 1921 to 1930). In one of the episodes, Bender travels on the train with a group of Soviet journalists whose verbal resources are maximally constrained by the new rules on revolutionary reportage. Bender creates a dictionary of over 100 clichéd constructions which perfectly comply with the Party's editorial standards for journalism, he successfully sells it to the bored journalists who can now use it as boilerplate.

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Today, Vladimir Putin has resurrected Stalin's four foundations of style and encouraged his diplomats and government officials to employ them with the same frequency and purpose as his Soviet forbears.

I have analyzed all official communications of the Russian Foreign Ministry from September 2011 to June 2015, indexed them, and run them through a specific linguistic software called Voyant Tools, based on Stanford Natural Language processing toolkit. The total database consists of 2.5 million words, and 21,765 documents. Here's what I found.

Self-Questioning

Self-questioning is barely present in Foreign Ministry statements until fall 2012, with the occasional use of a formulation such as, "Some partners of Russia question that…" But starting in 2013, when Putin took a harder stance against the West, self-questioning became much more frequent. The method skyrocketed in 2014, reaching 188 total uses, most commonly deployed by the nameless "press statements" on behalf of the Foreign Ministry, Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, and Foreign Ministry Spokesman Alexander Lukashevich.

Official press statements are much less speculative and rarely employ Stalin's favorite tool: a meager 25.

Lavrov is a great fan of self-questioning. He holds 66 of 189 uses of the formulation "the question arises" and its manifold variations.

The winner of self-questioning, however, is Lukashevich, with 101 uses, but some of his briefings and statements just repeat Lavrov's earlier sentiments.

Metonymy

Likewise, metonymy has made a comeback. Consider this comment by Lavrov in his November 2013 Address to the State Duma:

"Some countries are guided with an opportunistic interest to circumvent the global limits on the use of force in international relations… It's obvious for us that some countries exercise the power they possess more frequently and tend to redraw the guiding principles of international relations."

He means only one country.

Since the beginning of the Ukraine crisis, however, the frequency of Stalinist metonymy grows. "Western partners," "hegemonic force," "some country that imagines itself a policeman of the world"-all these become have become frequent stand-ins for "White House" or "United States."

Criminal Vocabulary

Putin himself is famous for deploying Bender-like formulations. He uses "whack" like an Italian mobster when he refers to what Russia will do to terrorists. Another favorite: "If my grandmother had balls, she'd be my grandfather," used to derisively dismiss what he considers a non-possibility, such as the capacity for the post-Yanukovych Ukrainian transitional government to perform.

Typically, professional diplomats don't resort to gangland jargon, but in Putin's Russia, the exceptions are subtly smuggled in.

For instance, one Foreign Ministry briefing on June 29, 2012, read, in Russian, "Americans prefer to pull down their allies rather than take their interests into account." To the untrained reader, this sounds hostile but ho-hum. However, the usage here of the verb, opustit ("to pull down"), in the Russian criminal argot refers to homosexual rape. Opustit, in fact, refers to how tougher inmates make weaker ones their "bitches."

Proactive Commentary

When Russia abandoned its Soviet identity in 1991, its Foreign Ministry's language changed accordingly. Diplomats attempted a sober neutrality and a more rational mode of communicating with the outside world. Until 2007, Russian diplomacy maintained a formal, if sometimes murky, style which rarely conveyed a single, unambiguous meaning. Moscow knew that its post-Soviet leaders would need wiggle room to dodge and obfuscate; in a democracy, climb-downs from original "official positions" were inevitable in the course of engagement other countries.

But in 2007, at the Munich Security Conference, Putin put aside this new mode of Russian "diplospeak." He presented the idea that the collapse of the USSR "was the largest geopolitical catastrophe of the 20th century." This was hardly unambiguous and signaled a calcification in the Russian view of recent history. Further, Putin blamed the West in seeking to humiliate Russia, thus wakening the "sleeping beasts" of the Soviet style.

I was working in Russian media at the time and remember this grim return to form quite well.

First, the vocabulary zombies crept back into conservative pro-government newspapers. The language again started to resemble the stochastic cocktail of Pravda, the old Party daily, as well the Benderist GoodFellas jargon. Today, these styles are everywhere.

Take, for instance, this Foreign Ministry Press Department statement on Macedonia from last May:

The news published by the Serbian media about the detention in Macedonia of some Montenegrin, who assisted the Kosovo Albanian extremists is a convincing proof of the plans run from outside that presume loosening the political situation in the country, trying to push it into the abyss of a color revolution. This is proof that Western organizers of such catastrophic scenarios prefer to exercise their proxy using the Ukraine, and now Macedonia, as citizens of those countries which, like Montenegro, are attracted by the lure of NATO. The more than obvious danger for Europe is now provoking chaos in the Balkans, spiraling conflict in the region, which has has not yet recovered from the bloodshed of the 1990s.

The first sentence is 32 words in Russian! And note the context: Macedonians protested against corruption and the feebleness of their own government in countering it, with some calling for an end to Macedonian-Russian cooperation on a notoriously crooked gas pipe project. They also called for faster accession into NATO. Finally, the Foreign Ministry is actually reacting to Serbian press speculations about events in a neighboring country, rather than to any on-the-ground, factual information. This is the classic proactive commentary of the bad old days.

I mentioned earlier that the thug's lexicon is particularly noisome to the Russian speaker. This is intentional because the Foreign Ministry, despite its remit, is actually communication to a domestic rather than international audience.

To some extent, this irony can even be quantified.

A data analysis I performed of Foreign Ministry communication from September 2011 to June 2015 shows that a mere 10 percent of the statements contains a direct call to action ("do something, change something"). Another 14 percent is suggestive ("it's time to think about…" or "our partners have to think about…"). This 24 percent can thus be viewed as written for a foreign audience.

However, some official statements are "factual," such as the reporting on a meeting between Lavrov or his deputies with foreign officials. These constitute 18 percent of the total. Then there are those statements and interviews that attempt to "explain" Russian foreign policy, from global warming to the war in Ukraine. These statements are meant exclusively for Russians and are often untranslated into any other language. They constitute 75 percent of all Foreign Ministry communications. And sometimes the Russians they're geared toward are in fact other agents of the Putin regime.

Consider this masterpiece published by Ministry on the day after former deputy prime minister and opposition leader Boris Nemtsov was murdered:

We assume that support and protection of the human rights should be a goal rather than a tool of the political fight. In the European Council on Human Rights we oppose politicization of human rights and a compulsory export of standards that are typical for an isolated group of states as if those standards are global. It's unacceptable to exploit the human rights agenda to undermine the principles of the international laws and UN Charter, to substantiate the incursion with the internal affairs and violent scenarios of the solution of contradictions and arguments, establishment of economic sanctions. Such actions only deteriorate the situation in the "target" country and contribute to further violations of human rights.

This statement was meant to explain Lavrov's participation in the UN Human Rights Conference in Geneva, taking place that week. The real ear for this denunciation of "politicized" human rights-i.e., human rights as they apply to Russia-is in fact the siloviki in the Kremlin. The Russian Foreign Ministry was telegraphing its loyalty to Moscow.

Haifei Huang, a researcher from University of California Riverside, published a very interesting study last year, in which he explained the signaling theory of propaganda. In the modern world, he said, information is much less censored and restricted-but the institutions that engage in political communication must send "signals" to the superiors and subordinates. Also, they have to demonstrate that they are loyal purveyors of the propaganda wherever and whenever they are charged to distribute it.

To the Western, democratic imagination, this sounds bizarre and redundant. Consider how odd it would be for the U.S. State Department to reaffirm its commitment to Barack Obama's foreign policies, which it is duty-bound to carry out in the first place. But under authoritarian regimes, public declarations of fealty, couched in the discourse of statecraft, are everyday occurrences. Under Stalin, professions of embracing the party line were daily occurrences. Putin has revived them.

The problem, though, as Huang points out, is that signaling can reach everyone including those it's not intended to. The Foreign Ministry's messaging may show an unwavering line to Russians, but foreign embassies read and translate and disseminate these back to their capitals, and Western correspondents relay them in international newspapers. The impression given is that of an arrogant, thin-skinned and geopolitically psychotic nation, whose interests can only be misunderstood and inevitably transgressed.

[Aug 08, 2015]Can the United States Stop a War With Russia?

"...America is heading for war with Russia. Some call the current situation "an increase of hostility" or "Cold War II." There are two sides to this story. I believe that American journalists from all political persuasions are not offering critical analysis. Understanding the Russian side and taking their arguments seriously can help prevent serious consequences."
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"...Russia sees the US as the aggressor, surrounding Russia with military bases in Eastern Europe at every opportunity since the collapse of the Soviet Union."
observer.com

America is heading for war with Russia. Some call the current situation "an increase of hostility" or "Cold War II." There are two sides to this story. I believe that American journalists from all political persuasions are not offering critical analysis. Understanding the Russian side and taking their arguments seriously can help prevent serious consequences.

Americans believe that Russians are fed propaganda by the state-controlled media. If Russians only could hear the truth, the thinking goes, they would welcome the US position. This is not so. There are more than 300 TV stations available in Moscow. Only 6 are state-controlled. The truth is that Russians prefer hearing the news from the state rather than the Internet or other sources. This is different from almost any other country. It is not North Korea where the news is censored. Each night during the Crimea crisis, anyone could watch CNN or the BBC bash Russia.

With regard to Ukraine, Russia has drawn a red line: It will never allow Ukraine to be part of NATO. Russia sees the US as the aggressor, surrounding Russia with military bases in Eastern Europe at every opportunity since the collapse of the Soviet Union. The US sees Russia as the aggressor against its neighbors. A small misstep could lead to war. This time the war will not be "over there." The Russian bombers flying off the California coast on July 4th clearly demonstrate this point. Russians understand that the US has not fought a war on its soil since the civil war. If new hostilities start, Russia will not let the war be a proxy war where the US supplies weapons and advisors and lets others do the "boots on the ground" combat. Russia will take the war to the US. How did we reach this critical point in such a short time?

Russia sees the US as the aggressor, surrounding Russia with military bases in Eastern Europe at every opportunity since the collapse of the Soviet Union. The US sees Russia as the aggressor against its neighbors.

First, some background. I moved to Moscow two and a half years ago. I went to Russia to build a non-government funded news channel with editorial views consistent with the Russian Orthodox Church. I have completed that task and returned to the west. I see both sides of this escalating conflict and unless there is a change in thinking, the result will be catastrophic. When I first arrived, the relationship between the US and Russia seemed normal. As an American, my ideas were welcomed, even sought after. At the time, Mr. Obama planned to attack Assad's army in Syria for crossing the "red line" for a chemical weapon attack. Russia intervened and persuaded Syria to destroy its chemical weapons. Mr. Putin had helped Mr. Obama save face and not make a major blunder in Syria. Shortly after, Mr. Putin wrote an editorial published in the New York Times, which was generally well-received. Relations appeared to be on the right course. There was cooperation in the Middle East and Russia phobia was easing.

Then Russia passed a law that prevented sexual propaganda to minors. This was the start of tensions. The LGBT lobby in the West saw this law as anti-gay. I did not. The law was a direct copy of English law and was intended to prevent pedophilia, not consenting relationships between adults. Gay relations in Russia are not illegal (although not accepted by the majority of the public). Regarding gay protests, they were restricted from view of children. I saw this in the same way that we in America restrict children from seeing "R" rated films. The punishment for breaking this law is a fine of less than $100. Double-parking a car in Moscow carries a heavier fine of $150. Nonetheless the reaction was overwhelming against Russia.

The boycott of the Sochi Olympics was the West's way of discrediting Russia. Russia saw this boycott as an aggressive act by the West to interfere with its internal politics and to embarrass Russia. Sochi was for Russians a great source of national pride and had nothing to do with politics. For the West, this was the first step in creating the narrative that Russia was the old repressive Soviet Union and Russia must be stopped.

Then came the color revolution in the Ukraine. When the president of Ukraine was overthrown, from a Russian viewpoint this was a Western organized coup. The overthrow of a democratically elected president signaled that the West was interested in an expansion of power, not democratic values. The leaked recorded conversations of Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and US Ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt suggested that the US was actively involved in regime change in the Ukraine. For Russia, the Ukrainians are their brothers, much more than any other group. The languages are similar; they are linked culturally and religiously. Kiev played a central role in the Christianization of Russia. Many Russians have family members in Ukraine. For Russians, this special relationship was destroyed by outside forces. Imagine if Canada suddenly aligned itself with Russia or China. The US would surely see that as a threat on its border and act decisively.

When the Soviet Union collapsed, from an American viewpoint, the borders of Eastern Europe were frozen. However in the late 1990s, the borders of Yugoslavia changed, breaking that country apart. Russians had accepted Kiev's rule of Crimea since 1954 as a trusted brother might watch a family property. But when that brother no longer is a part of the family, Russia wanted Crimea back. Crimea also wanted Russia back. Crimeans speak Russian and are closely tied to their 300-year Russian heritage. From the Russian point of view, this was a family matter and of no concern to the West, The sanctions imposed were seen as aggression by the West to keep Russia in its place.

Sanctions are driving Russia away from the West and toward China. Chinese tourism in Russia is at record levels. More transactions are now settled directly between Rubles and Yuan, with the US dollar's role as middleman being limited. Although the dollar remains strong now, this is deceptive. China has created the AIIB bank to directly compete against the IMF for world banking power and the US is having trouble preventing its allies from joining. This is the first crack in US financial domination as a direct result of sanctions.

We are moving closer and closer to a real war. Republicans and Democrats talk tough on foreign policy towards Russia. When all politicians are in agreement, there is no discussion of alternative approaches. Any alternative to complete isolation of Russia and a NATO build up on Russia's borders is a sign of weakness. Any alternative to this military build up is criticized as "appeasement," likened to the failed foreign policy of British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain toward Nazi Germany between 1937 and 1939.

Liberal Democrats historically are anti-war, but not this time. In the Czech Republic, there was the start of an anti-war movement when NATO paraded its military along its borders. "Tanks but no thanks" became a rallying cry. Czechs became uncomfortable with a muscle flexing approach to the standoff. Only a lone libertarian, Ron Paul raises a critique of the wisdom of this military build up.

The mistake that will cost America dearly is the assumption that Russia has the same ambitions as the Soviet Union. The cold war strategy used against the Soviet Union cannot be repeated with the same result. The Soviet Union was communist and atheistic. Modern Russia has returned to its Christian roots. There is a revival in Russian Orthodoxy with over 25,000 new churches built in Russia after the fall of Communism. On any Sunday, the churches are packed. Over 70% of the population identifies themselves as Orthodox Christians. Combine this religious revival with renewed Nationalism and Russia is growing in self-confidence.

A war with Russia cannot be won economically. Russia has oil and an abundance of natural resources. It occupies the largest landmass in the world.

The Marxist ideology followed by the Soviet Union was evangelistic. Only when the whole world became communist will Marxist principles be realized. When collective farms missed their goals, it was because the whole world wasn't communist yet, not because the ideology destroyed individual initiative. For this reason, the Soviet Union needed to dominate the whole world. For modern Russia, world domination is not its goal. Russia wants to keep its Russian identity and not lose it to outside forces.

Russian history is filled with invaders trying to conquer Russia. Napoléon and Hitler are only the latest examples. Russia has always prevailed. Driving in from the airport, you can see exactly how close Hitler came to Moscow. You are also reminded that it was here that he was stopped. Russia is sure that they will repel the newest invader NATO.

A war with Russia cannot be won economically. Russia has oil and an abundance of natural resources. It occupies the largest landmass in the world. It is growing in its ability to replace goods restricted from the west. A proxy war using the Ukrainian army will not solve the problem.

There is still time to make a deal. More sanctions, and more isolation from the West are not the way to resolve differences. The US flexing its military muscle will not solve the problems. War is not the answer but too often in history becomes the only solution when two sides refuse to see the other's point of view.

Jack Hanick recently completed the development of a state of the art television network in Moscow, built without government funding. Its evening news program broadcasts to 65 million homes in Russia across eight time zones. Previously Jack was a TV director, where he won the New York Emmy in 1994 for best director. His biography of Desmond Tutu also won a New York Emmy. Currently Jack is Chairman of the Board of HellasNet, a group of TV stations in Greece.

[Aug 08, 2015] What language are these people speaking?

"...One of the first thoughts that struck me when I listened to the infamous Nuland/Pyatt tape (Vicky's f**k the EU moment) was 'what language are these people speaking?' There was barely a coherent utterance from either party. Reading the comments above from Marc Veasey and Nancy Pelosi, it seems the US Congress must select its Ukraine 'specialists' by excluding anyone who can form sentences. "
yalensis, August 6, 2015 at 2:50 am
Members of U.S. Congress in Kiev today, expressing their fervent support for the Kiev junta, while not forgetting to mix metaphors as much as humanly possible.

Congressman Marc Veasey of Texas, a member of the Armed Services Committee:

Congressman Veasey.

Well, obviously, we want to see Ukraine push back the separatists. We believe that we want them to be successful in Crimea obviously and want to be supportive as much as we possibly can. On this trip we met with officials here in our U.S. Embassy. We also met with government officials and it's very important to us. We want to see Ukraine whole.

Q: What are the next steps to support Ukraine for the International Tribunal, [MH]17 air crash investigation?

[Demoratic Party] Leader [Nancy] Pelosi. Well, I think it was said very well when they said – when Russia vetoed the U.N. Security Council resolution that it was – that would make one suspicious or ask the question 'why?' Why would there not be the interest of everyone on an organization called the Security Council of the United Nations to have an investigation that would lead to the truth? And that's what people need to hear: the truth. And that's what's so important – taking us back to here. This is about shedding light about the angels, the heroes and the Heavenly Hundred – identified in so many ways for their courage to shed light on the need for more transparency and more light here.

Fern, August 6, 2015 at 6:01 am
One of the first thoughts that struck me when I listened to the infamous Nuland/Pyatt tape (Vicky's f**k the EU moment) was 'what language are these people speaking?' There was barely a coherent utterance from either party. Reading the comments above from Marc Veasey and Nancy Pelosi, it seems the US Congress must select its Ukraine 'specialists' by excluding anyone who can form sentences.

[Aug 08, 2015]Keeping Ukraine whole

"...It does make a lot of sense from a psychopathic point of view. Psychopaths do not suffer from the effects of cognitive dissonance that we do. When faced with contradictions, hypocrisy and lies, we normal human beings suffer physiological discomfort and mental confusion. Psychopaths know that it weakens us and use the reversal of reality (if you are going to tell a lie, tell a big one) as a weapon against us. "
marknesop, August 6, 2015 at 9:51 am
I see. No goal should be so sacred as the one of "keeping Ukraine whole". But in dozens upon dozens of other examples, the USA has been enthusiastically behind the breakup of countries which resulted in the carving out of pro-western enclaves, and in fact hopes for Russia that it will be broken up into ethnic states. Yep, I believe that.

And I actually would have expected better from Nancy Pelosi – just as Kirill suggested, she is propagating the myth that Russia vetoing the tribunal means there will not be an investigation that leads to the truth. I personally think that is hopeless now anyway, the west is determined to whitewash Ukraine's role in it, but such investigations as there are going to be are proceeding unimpeded. How could anyone say anything so blatantly stupid in public? Russia simply refused to agree to accept the UN's verdict and the UN's awarding of punishment for it. After being told by the UN to quit whining after the attack on its Embassy in Kiev by Ukrainians, I think Russia is quite realistic on the issue of what it might expect in the way of fair treatment from the UN.

yalensis, August 6, 2015 at 3:16 pm
This doesn't make any sense!
American State Department accuses Russia of not doing enough to help them (='Muricans) fight Islamic state (IGIL=ISIS=ISIL=whatever).
State Department spokesperson Mark Toner, who looks like a barely-resuscitated zombie IMHO, chides Russia for not being engaged enough in the struggle against Islamic extremism.

[yalensis: If I was Russian government, I would respond thusly: "Jesus H. Christ what do you want from me? You want me to fight YOU? What is this, the fight club? I should fight YOU and bleed so that YOU can get your rocks off? You creepy zombie-looking fellow…. and by the way, this is highly illogical….."]

james@wpc, August 6, 2015 at 3:59 pm
It does make a lot of sense from a psychopathic point of view. Psychopaths do not suffer from the effects of cognitive dissonance that we do. When faced with contradictions, hypocrisy and lies, we normal human beings suffer physiological discomfort and mental confusion. Psychopaths know that it weakens us and use the reversal of reality (if you are going to tell a lie, tell a big one) as a weapon against us.

This is especially effective when they know that we know that they are lying. When they can get a response like Yalensis' above, they laugh because they have direct evidence that they are causing internal distress. Mission Accomplished.

To observe this in action, watch RT's Crosstalk when Peter Lavelle has a neocon think tank representative on. He (and it is usually a 'he') will reverse the truth without batting an eyelid. This then sends Peter and the other guests into animated protests. Meanwhile, the neocon sits there placidly and you may even detect a little smile – read smirk – on his face, confident that the others do not understand how he is controlling them.

Of course, once you see that the 'big lie' and the hypocrisy are signs of psychopathy and you know what psychopathy involves, they can no longer control you.

marknesop, August 6, 2015 at 4:15 pm
Incredible. The USA assumes unto itself the freedom to break any law so long as doing so allows it to achieve its objective. Having been frustrated in its desire to simply go in and bomb Syria until Assad submitted, it created an armed opposition to the armed opposition it had already created against Assad, then announced smugly that it would defend the opposition from the opposition, and if government forces got in the way, well, that'd just be too bad for them. Pilots do not know shit about what's going on on the ground, they just bomb targets they are told to bomb, so the people who always wanted to get Assad and remove him are in charge of assigning bombing targets in Syria. How is this in any way legal? It's not, is the short answer, but the USA has gone completely rogue and recognizes no authority but its own needs and desires.

Russia should announce that it will be delivering the S-400 system to Syria so that Syria can "defend itself", and that anyone who fires upon those delivering the systems will receive return fire, while once the system is in place, anyone who attacks government forces may be shot down. Assad has a marked advantage in this conflict, in that everybody is the enemy. He doesn't have any identification problems.

[Aug 08, 2015] The "petrodollar" is a pillar of American power

"...I would completely agree that the "petrodollar" is a pillar of American power but am frankly confused by what the essential mechanism of this is. To my mind to institute the petrodollar it is not sufficient to say that oil will be denominated in dollars or even sold only in dollars. The key is that the proceeds need to STAY in dollar assets. This was only achieved once Kissinger brokered Petro-dollar recycling, meaning that the dollars earned in this way would be recycled into treasury securities or used to purchase American weaponry or the engineering skills of the American firms that basically built the Kingdom as it now exists. This is what I was hinting at when I was talking about the circular nature of trade between currency blocs. No non-circular trade patterns can persist for long.
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We emphasize different things. I suspect that the simple scale of the dollar value of trading of financial claims on things – trading in which London and New York are dominant – contributes more to the maintenance of the dollar reserve system than you are proposing. The upshot being that America's "debt" problem is actually a demonstration of its financial power. "

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"..."The result was a depreciation of the dollar and other industrialized nations' currencies. Because oil was priced in dollars, oil producers' real income decreased. In September 1971, OPEC issued a joint communiqué stating that, from then on, they would price oil in terms of a fixed amount of gold."
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So it seems that the oil sellers, seeing that their "real" income from selling oil was decreasing (they were selling oil at the same price in terms of dollars, but at a lower price in terms of gold), were determined not to let the depreciating dollar erase a big chunk of their earnings. I think this goes to show how deep is entrenched in the collective psyche the idea that gold is THE medium for storing wealth. Barbarous relic? I think not…
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After all, value is a social construct and economic relations are social relations mediated through these things we call "commodities". Gold has proven itself to be a very good mediator of these social relations, not because some magical qualities, but because of obvious practical advantages. So, although its role is significantly smaller these days, I think it still retains the roles of "medium of last resort" and "measuring stick of wealth"."

james@wpc, August 4, 2015 at 11:35 pm

I had to start a new thread, Mark. Your first question – "does the fact that the USA's debt is more than 100% of its GDP not make it insolvent?"
I take it you are using the definition of insolvency being when an organizations liabilities exceed it's assets. The nation's GDP does not belong to the government and so cannot be seen as an asset of the govt. So the question, as framed, is not 'well English', speaking economically :) Perhaps you could rephrase it?

Insolvency can also be defined as an inability to meet current liabilities as they fall due which is a cash flow problem rather than an asset problem. A government that owns and controls its central bank cannot ever have a cash flow problem; that would be Iran, for instance, or Libya before Terror Inc was unleashed on it.

A govt that does not own and control its central bank cannot have a cash flow problem so long as its debt is denominated in its own national currency and the privately owned central bank continues to monetize the government's newly issued bond/treasury certificates; that is countries like the US and the UK.

A government that has its debt nominated in a foreign or external currency, such as Greece and other Euro zone countries, is in the position of any other business and can be declared insolvent and its assets sold up for the creditors. This situation with Greece was always going to come right from the beginning.

I don't follow what you are asking with your second question – "Would it, if there were a deliberate run on the dollar to drive it down and reduce its circulation, by refusing to use it as a medium of exchange?" Could you rephrase it also?

astabada, August 4, 2015 at 11:51 pm

@james, TimOwen

A government that has its debt nominated in a foreign or external currency, such as Greece and other Eurozone countries, is in the position of any other business and can be declared insolvent and its assets sold up for the creditors. This situation with Greece was always going to come right from the beginning.

Bang! I do not follow all of your points, but on this one I totally agree. To reconnect with what Tim was writing about Italy, the problem with Italy (and Greece) is that they both have:

  • – a currency which is grossly overvalued with respect to their economies (this makes import artificially easier than it should be, and export artificially harder)
  • – no control on what the value of that currency is (e.g. by devaluing its currency Italy could keep its products competitive in the past)

When did the Italian crisis start? Answer: when Italy pegged its currency to the future Euro, with the Maastrich Treaty.

marknesop, August 5, 2015 at 7:34 am

In the second question, I meant ""Would it (be insolvent), if there were a deliberate run on the dollar to drive it down and reduce its circulation, by refusing to use it as a medium of exchange?" That is, would a deliberate turning-away from the dollar put the USA in a position where it had to pay its debts and live within its means? And the answer is, not likely, because the government does not control the bank or own the money, although there is most definitely a very close relationship between the governors and the bankers. Still, there must be a relationship between the whole world using the dollar and U.S. power, because if there were not the U.S. would not attack a country on some made-up excuse as soon as it made noises about dropping the dollar. Unless that's just a crackpot conspiracy theory.

james@wpc, August 5, 2015 at 8:28 am

Thanks for the clarification, Mark. The US could well find itself in trouble and that is my expectation but "insolvent" is the wrong word to use.

First, the basics of the relationship between the Fed and the US Treasury dept. I think someone here (Tim?), about a year ago, spelt out the actual mechanics of it all but a rough Idea will suffice for our purposes. When the US govt wants to get more money, they have the Treasury Dept draw up treasury certificates which are essentially IOU's and hand them to the Fed. The Fed creates the credit to the value of the IOU's and places it in the US govt's a/c (at interest). The govt can then meet all future expenses including maturing loans with this money because all of the US's trade and loan contracts are written in US$.

There is no limit to the debt that the US can run up in this manner so there will always be money to meet commitments. So the US govt cannot become technically insolvent.

Crystal ball stuff now – the problem for the US govt (and the Fed) is that it is committed to printing ever more money at a time when the demand for it internationally is shrinking because the BRICS countries and others are avoiding using the US dollar when possible. This will lead to inflation for the dollar. In other words, it will lose value and make it less and less attractive for people, companies and govts to hold it and thus further decreasing demand. We now have a self fuelling downward spiral for the dollar.

The inflation happens because the US dollar is backed not only by the domestic GDP of the US but also by all the international trade that is conducted using the dollar. As the total amount of dollars in circulation increases and the demand decreases (because people are avoiding using it) we have more dollars to buy less goods (because sellers do not want US dollars for their goods) so the prices on the goods that are still available for US dollars will be bid upwards by the excess money over goods available causing the inflation. I have been very impressed how the FED/govt and Wall st generally have been able to stave off this inevitable inflation so far.

As for the US ever 'living within its means' that will only come when other trading partners en masse refuse to accept US dollars for their goods (incl military materiel). The US will then have to sell something tangible to raise the foreign currency (as most other countries now have to do) to buy Chinese clothing and uniforms and ammunition etc. They may not be able to pay for the military occupation in foreign countries using US dollars and so the Empire will start visibly shrinking.

If this happens, countries like israel and Saudi Arabia will be left high and dry and have to fend for themselves – and good luck with that! But psychopaths never say die so they just might pull something out of the hat other than a rabbit. We'll see soon enough, I think. You can see, though, that time is not on the side of the usual suspects.

I hope that answers your question adequately, Mark. If not, come on back to me!

Jen, August 5, 2015 at 3:52 pm

" … Still, there must be a relationship between the whole world using the dollar and U.S. power, because if there were not the U.S. would not attack a country on some made-up excuse as soon as it made noises about dropping the dollar. Unless that's just a crackpot conspiracy theory."

I mentioned earlier in this thread that in 2000, Iraqi President Saddam Hussein switched to trading oil for euros and then Iraq began conducting all its trade in euros. Not long afterwards, the euro appreciated in value, perhaps in part as a result of its use as a trading currency, and the value of Iraq's gold reserves also shot up as a result.
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2003/feb/16/iraq.theeuro

Iran and North Korea then switched to trading in euros. Next thing you know, all three countries became the New Axis of Evil.

If the world has to use the US dollar for trade, this means there will always be a demand from exporters and importers for US dollars and this keeps the value of the US dollar high relative to other currencies. To an extent this means that in a situation where all currencies are free-floating (that is, not subjected to any controls on their value or supply by governments in the countries where they are legal tender) and are completely subject to market supply and demand, the US dollar will not experience high and low extremes when its value against other currencies fluctuates. This keeps the US dollar's value high and steady.

The use of the US dollar as a world currency for trade was adopted during the Bretton Woods conference in the late 1940s just after the Second World War. At the time, the US was the pre-eminent manufacturing economy in the world and could dictate its terms to a ruined Europe. If the rest of the world were to catch up with the US in manufacturing and trading capability, then everyone needed to use US dollars to buy US goods, services and intellectual know-how in the form of patents, advice and training. Few people at the time foresaw what would happen to the US economy if the US dollar became the world's trading currency: the US economy would start to suffer persistent trade and balance of payment deficits and the US government would be unable to control the supply of US dollars. This is known as the Triffin Dilemma.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triffin_dilemma

The British economist John Maynard Keynes who attended Bretton Woods was one of the few who knew – that was partly why he advocated for adopting an international trade currency (bancor) and an international clearing house for balance-of-payments surpluses and deficits – but as he was the representative of an exhausted and defeated empire, his ideas were given short shrift by the US attendees.

Tim Owen, August 5, 2015 at 8:22 pm

Posted this on earlier thread one page back before I saw this:

Here's where I think you, James and I agree: the reserve status of the dollar allows the U.S. to fund it's deficit at the expense of other countries.

Here's' where I think (?) we disagree:

  • my point is that the reserve status makes it possible for the U.S. to run persistent trade deficits but the ability to run a deficit is a virtue of all fiat systems. The fact that the reserve status of the dollar means those deficits can be much higher doesn't change the fact. Nor should it discredit deficit-spending by association.
  • I would completely agree that the "petrodollar" is a pillar of American power but am frankly confused by what the essential mechanism of this is. To my mind to institute the petrodollar it is not sufficient to say that oil will be denominated in dollars or even sold only in dollars. The key is that the proceeds need to STAY in dollar assets. This was only achieved once Kissinger brokered Petro-dollar recycling, meaning that the dollars earned in this way would be recycled into treasury securities or used to purchase American weaponry or the engineering skills of the American firms that basically built the Kingdom as it now exists. This is what I was hinting at when I was talking about the circular nature of trade between currency blocs. No non-circular trade patterns can persist for long.
  • We emphasize different things. I suspect that the simple scale of the dollar value of trading of financial claims on things – trading in which London and New York are dominant – contributes more to the maintenance of the dollar reserve system than you are proposing. The upshot being that America's "debt" problem is actually a demonstration of its financial power. *

Could it become it's greatest weakness? It's possible I suppose but I don't see this happening when western finance dwarfs the trading clout of its rivals. The system develops over time and, with time it gains scale and so momentum. In other words I'm suggesting that a dollar collapse is less likely than one might suppose.

*This was the point I was trying to make with the dollar as "safe haven" comments above. If the dollar zigs (strengthens) when your mental model of the world says it should zag (weaken) then this should really suggest that your model is missing some important part of the complex mechanism it is trying to simulate.

james@wpc, August 6, 2015 at 12:05 am

Tim, I'll quote your words back to you and insert some clarifying (for me) words to demonstrate my understanding and to see if it is the same as yours-

– my point is that the reserve status makes it possible for the U.S. to run persistent (international) trade deficits but the ability to run a (domestic budgetary) deficit is a virtue of all fiat systems. The fact that the reserve status of the dollar means those (international trade and domestic budgetary) deficits can be much higher doesn't change the fact. Nor should it discredit (domestic budgetary) deficit-spending by association."

The Bretton Woods agreement specified that the US would make gold available for purchase at an agreed fixed price. This condition was thought to inhibit the US from printing money to excess. But the Vietnam War came along and the US was printing money to pay for it. This extra money was not financing extra productive capacity or creating wealth. Quite the opposite, in fact. So we had an increasing supply of US dollars around the world but no commensurate extra production to absorb the extra dollars.

This is exactly what the French thought would happen and they started demanding gold for their US dollars. Eventually, the US had to stop selling gold now that it was greatly undervalued because the dollar was overvalued. So Nixon took the US dollar off the gold standard. Inflation ensued.

Something was needed to soak up the extra purchasing power of the extra US dollars sloshing around the world. This money was called "EuroDollars" at the time. Oil was the answer. The Saudis (at the behest of Wall St) and OPEC jacked up the price of oil by a factor of four (IIRC) and rapidly increased the demand for dollars and reversed the inflationary trend and the subsequent loss of value.

As Tim points out, the Saudis had to not only sell oil exclusively for US dollars but they had to deposit their surplus with New York banks. This way the banks won in three different ways. 1. they had overnight increased the international demand for US dollars and boosting its strength and prestige (perceptions are everything)
2. They had handed a fortune to the Saudis but by keeping the money in the NY banks, the bankers still controlled the Saudis
3. This surplus money was also kept out of other international banks and so could not be used by them to effectively compete with the NY banks and so kept those other banks under control as well and Wall St dominant.

Point 1 was the most important for the bankers, in my view. This created the petrodollar – a dollar that used to be covered by gold as well as international trade and the US domestic GDP. Then gold dropped out of the equation and was replaced with oil at a hugely inflated price.

At a bankers symposium during the eighties (I think from memory), the head of Citibank at the time, Walter Wriston, answered a question concerning what his bank would do if the Saudis wanted their money back. He replied blithely, "No problem. We'll write them a cheque!" His reply was met with dumbfounded silence which told me told me that most of the audience of bankers did not understand banking at that level. There should have been laughter because the money cannot escape the system. It can only get transferred from one bank to another and each bank is dependent on remaining in the system to keep operating.

It's just a matter of borrowing from each other. If Citibank has the Saudi's money to cover their other loans, then this will be more profitable for them than having to borrow it from other banks. But it is not a system breaker if they do have to borrow it from other banks. That's what the system is for.

Jen, August 6, 2015 at 12:33 am

It would be interesting to know when the Saudis also started buying up weapons and military hardware from the US and the UK. If they began some time in the early / mid 1970s to buy such equipment, and it were possible to find out where the money was coming from, that would be another piece in a big puzzle that links the collapse of the Bretton Woods agreement, the Vietnam War, the 1973 oil crisis and subsequent decline in the US car manufacturing industry, the Yom Kippur War and maybe more besides.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_oil_crisis#End_of_the_Bretton_Woods_accord

James, thanks for the extra detail.

spartacus, August 6, 2015 at 1:45 am

Hello Jen! From the Wiki article you linked, I found this paragraph to be very interesting:

"The result was a depreciation of the dollar and other industrialized nations' currencies. Because oil was priced in dollars, oil producers' real income decreased. In September 1971, OPEC issued a joint communiqué stating that, from then on, they would price oil in terms of a fixed amount of gold."

So it seems that the oil sellers, seeing that their "real" income from selling oil was decreasing (they were selling oil at the same price in terms of dollars, but at a lower price in terms of gold), were determined not to let the depreciating dollar erase a big chunk of their earnings. I think this goes to show how deep is entrenched in the collective psyche the idea that gold is THE medium for storing wealth. Barbarous relic? I think not…

After all, value is a social construct and economic relations are social relations mediated through these things we call "commodities". Gold has proven itself to be a very good mediator of these social relations, not because some magical qualities, but because of obvious practical advantages. So, although its role is significantly smaller these days, I think it still retains the roles of "medium of last resort" and "measuring stick of wealth".

marknesop, August 6, 2015 at 9:42 am

The currency Gaddafi had moved to introduce was the gold dinar, an actual negotiable gold coin, and he proposed all African and Muslim nations accept only the dinar for oil. The sources speculating on this look a little tabloid-ey, but as with many such subjects, the mainstream press just never mentions it, as if deciding not to talk about it removes it from consideration as an issue.

Similarly, the disappearance of Libya's gold is easily explained – unscrupulous people, including Gaddafi himself, stole it. The guy who was planning to introduce a gold currency to Africa actually stole all the gold for himself, the tricky devil.

james@wpc , August 6, 2015 at 1:48 am

Jen, my recollection is that the Saudi's started buying armaments big-time during the seventies because I remember asking myself, "what's wrong with this picture?" Here is a supposed enemy of Israel buying huge amounts of military equipment, particularly fighter jets, from the country it has just imposed sanctions on, the US. Added to that, the US is THE big supporter of Israel and indeed, saved its bacon during the Yom Kippur war!

The money for the military hardware could only have come from the increased price of oil and looking back it is increasingly obvious that these sales were part of the original deal to increase the price of oil. It is part of the circular trading that Tim was talking about.

The petrol rationing exercises in the US and elsewhere are looking more and more like theatre to condition the punters that we have to pay more. The whole crisis was stage managed and nothing has changed in forty years!

marknesop, August 6, 2015 at 9:14 am

The USA has a similar arrangement with Israel, in which it transfers billions in foreign aid to this prosperous country and Israel then uses it to buy U.S. weapons and military equipment. It would be simpler to just gift them the military equipment, but that would look as if the USA was building a military ally to extend its own power – which it is – and the former way helps create the need for more dollars.

[Aug 08, 2015] Global Oil Supply More Fragile Than You Think

"... the delay of 46 major oil and gas projects that have 20 billion barrels of oil equivalent in reserves mean that global production several years from now could be much lower than anticipated. Due to long lead times, decisions made today will impact the world's production profile towards the end of this decade and into the 2020s. It makes sense for companies to cut today, but collectively that could lead to much lower supplies in the future."
Aug 05, 2015 | Oilprice.com

Many oil companies had trimmed their budgets heading into 2015 to deal with lower oil prices. But the rebound in April and May to $60 per barrel from the mid-$40s suggested that the severe drop was merely temporary.

But the collapse of prices in July – owing to the Iran nuclear deal, an ongoing production surplus, and economic and financial concerns in Greece and China – have darkened the mood. Now a prevailing sense that oil prices may stay lower for longer has hit the markets.

Oil futures for delivery in December 2020 are currently trading $8 lower than they were at the beginning of this year even while immediate spot prices are $4 higher today. In other words, oil traders are now feeling much gloomier about oil prices several years out than they were at the beginning of 2015.

The growing acceptance that oil prices could stay lower for longer will kick off a fresh round of cuts in spending and workforces for the oil industry.

"It's a monumental challenge to offset the impact of a 50% drop in oil price," Fadel Gheit, an analyst with Oppenheimer & Co., told the WSJ. "The priorities have shifted completely. The priority now is to discontinue budget spending. The priority is to live within your means. Forget about growth. They are now in survival mode."

And many companies are also recalculating the oil price needed for new drilling projects to make financial sense. For example, according to the Wall Street Journal, BP is assuming an oil price of $60 per barrel moving forward. Royal Dutch Shell is a little more pessimistic, using $50 per barrel as their projection. For now, projects that need $100+ per barrel will be put on ice indefinitely. The oil majors have cancelled or delayed a combined $200 billion in new projects as they seek to rein in costs, according to Wood Mackenzie.

But the delay of 46 major oil and gas projects that have 20 billion barrels of oil equivalent in reserves mean that global production several years from now could be much lower than anticipated. Due to long lead times, decisions made today will impact the world's production profile towards the end of this decade and into the 2020s. It makes sense for companies to cut today, but collectively that could lead to much lower supplies in the future.

That is a problem because the oil majors were struggling to boost oil production even when oil prices were high. 2014 was one of the worst in over six decades for major new oil discoveries, even though oil prices were high for most of the year. Despite high levels of spending, exploration companies are simply finding fewer and fewer reserves of oil.

Shale production has surged in recent years, but it could be a fleeting phenomenon. Precipitous decline rates from shale wells mean that much of a well's lifetime production occurs within the first year or two. Moreover, after the best spots are drilled, the shale revolution could start to come to a close. The IEA predicts that U.S. shale will plateau and begin to decline in the 2020s. That means it would not be able to keep up with rising demand. Add in the fact that oil wells around the world suffer from natural decline rates on the order of 5 percent per year (with very wide variation), and it becomes clear that major new sources of oil will need to come online.

One other factor that could tighten oil markets over the long-term is the fact that Saudi Arabia has churned through much of its spare capacity. As one of the only countries that can ramp up latent oil capacity within just a few weeks, Saudi Arabia's spare capacity is crucial to world oil market stability.

Many energy analysts like to compare the current oil bust to the one that occurred in the 1980s. But one of the major differences between the two events is that, in addition to the glut of oil supplies in the 1980s, was the fact that Saudi Arabia dramatically reduced its output from 10 million barrels per day (mb/d) down to less than 4 mb/d in response. As a result, on top of the fact that the world was awash in oil throughout the 1980s and 1990s, there were also several million barrels per day of spare capacity sitting on the sidelines, meaning there was virtually no chance of a price spike for more than a decade.

That is no longer the case. Today OPEC has only 1.6 mb/d of spare capacity, the lowest level since before the 2008 financial crisis. So while Saudi Arabia is currently flooding the market with crude, it has exhausted its spare capacity, leaving few tools to come to the rescue in a pinch.

That brings us back to the large spending cuts the oil majors are undertaking. With spare capacity shot and major new sources of oil not coming online in a few years, the world may end up struggling to meet rising oil demand. That could cause oil prices to spike.

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[Aug 08, 2015] Tyler Drumheller, CIA officer who exposed U.S. reliance on discredited Iraq source 'Curveball,' dies at 63

Aug 06, 2015 | The Washington Pos

Tyler S. Drumheller, a high-level CIA officer who publicly battled agency leaders over one of the most outlandish claims in the U.S. case for war with Iraq, died Aug. 2 at a hospital in Fairfax County. He was 63.

The cause was complications from pancreatic cancer, said his wife, Linda Drumheller.

Mr. Drumheller held posts in Africa and Europe over a 26-year career during which the CIA's focus shifted from the Cold War to terrorist threats. He rose to prominent positions at CIA headquarters, serving as chief of the European division at a time when the agency was abducting al-Qaeda suspects on the continent and U.S. allies there faced a wave of terrorist plots.

But he was best known publicly for his role in exposing the extent to which a key part of the administration's case for war with Iraq had been built on the claims of an Iraqi defector and serial fabricator with the fitting code name "Curveball."

In contrast to Hollywood's depiction of spies as impossibly elegant and acrobatic, Mr. Drumheller was a bulky, rumpled figure who often seemed oblivious to the tufts of dog hair on his clothes.


"I always thought of him as an overfed George Smiley," said Bill Murray, a former CIA colleague, referring to the character in John le Carré spy novels known for his espionage acumen but unassuming appearance.

Mr. Drumheller spent the bulk of his career as an undercover officer seeking to avoid public attention. But after retiring in 2005, he emerged as a vocal critic of the George W. Bush administration's use of deeply flawed intelligence to build support for its decision to invade Iraq in 2003.

Curveball, who had defected to Germany in the late 1990s, was the primary source behind the administration's assertions that Saddam Hussein's regime in Iraq had developed biological weapons laboratories - lethal germ factories supposedly built on wheels or rails to evade detection.

The claim was included in Bush's 2003 State of the Union speech as well as then-Secretary of State Colin Powell's presentation to the United Nations designed to marshal international support for intervention in Iraq.

"We had failed," he wrote. "It was bad enough that we had not prevented the Sept. 11 attacks and we were being blamed for that. Now the nation was about to embark on a war based on intelligence I knew was false, and we would surely be blamed for that, too."

A scathing 2005 report on the intelligence failures in Iraq did not mention Mr. Drumheller by name but concluded that officials in the agency's European division had "expressed serious concerns about Curveball's reliability to senior officials at the CIA," and that the warnings were inexplicably dismissed.

The allegation touched off a bitter feud. When then-CIA Director George J. Tenet denied that he had ever been warned about Curveball, Mr. Drumheller fought back in public, saying that "everyone in the chain of command knew exactly what was happening."

Mr. Drumheller was widely quoted in news accounts and appeared on the CBS program "60 Minutes."

No mobile germ warfare labs were found, and the defector, Rafid Ahmed Alwan al-Janabi, has since admitted that the story was a fiction he fed to German intelligence while seeking asylum.

The blow-up over Curveball coincided with Mr. Drumheller's retirement from the CIA "I think he was really proud of standing up against the war," Linda Drumheller said in an interview. "That was his personal greatest achievement."

The son of an Air Force chaplain, Tyler Scott Drumheller was born in Biloxi, Miss., on April 12, 1952. He spent part of his childhood in Germany before attending the University of Virginia. He graduated in 1974 with a history degree and did postgraduate work in Chinese at Georgetown University before being hired by the CIA in 1979.

He met Linda Blocher while she was working at the spy agency as a secretary in the Africa division, and proposed to her in a stairwell at CIA headquarters after learning that he would soon be sent to Zambia. It was the first in a series of stops for the couple that would also include South Africa, Portugal, Germany and Austria. Two and sometimes three pet dogs accompanied every move.

Besides his wife, of Vienna, Va., survivors include a daughter, Livia Phillips of Great Falls, Va.; a sister, Alecia Ball of Chester, Va.; and a grandson.

Mr. Drumheller's affable manner made it easy for him to form lasting connections with people throughout his career, Linda Drumheller said. He also had a prodigious memory, she said, that enabled him to keep track of cryptonyms, children's birthdays and Detroit Tigers statistics.

Mr. Drumheller "understood human nature," Murray said. "Beneath that pleasant and fun kind of personality, he understood exactly what people were and what he was dealing with. Good or bad."

Mr. Drumheller had retained a young CIA recruit's enthusiasm for much of his career. But he seemed to grow tired of the internal conflicts after the Sept. 11 attacks. In his memoir, he wrote that in retirement he asked to have his Distinguished Career Intelligence medal delivered by mail rather than returning to headquarters for a ceremony.

When the envelope arrived, he wrote, "I opened it up and fell into a bit of a reverie, reflecting on my career and the years past, the successes and the friends gained, the colleagues lost and the mistakes made."

Juceam, 5:10 PM EDT

Drumheller's preoccupation with Curveball apparently did not allow him to uncover the real motivator for the Bush decision to invade Iraq.

The US invaded Iraq for Israeli national security interests, not those of the US. Iraq with WMD posed no threat to the US. They posed a potential threat to Israel.

In their book, The Israel Lobby, John Mearsheimer and Stephen M. Walt argue that among the more important impetuses for George W. Bush's invasion of Iraq in 2003 was the Israel lobby. Important evidence for this allegation was the central role played in propagandizing for the war by Israel lobby Neoconservative figures such as:

Richard Perle-was chairman of the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board.
Paul Wolfowitz -Deputy Defense Secretary, and member of Perle's Defense Policy Board.
Douglas Feith-Under Secretary of Defense and Policy Advisor.
David Wurmser-Special Assistant to the under-secretary for arms control and international security.
Lewis (Scooter) Libby -Dick Cheney's Chief of Staff.
John Hannah- National Security aide to Dick Cheney.
Douglas Feith established in the Pentagon the Office of Special Projects (OSP).

The OSP forged close ties to an ad hoc intelligence unit within Ariel Sharon's office in Israel. The purpose of the unit was to provide key people in the Bush administration "with more alarmist reports on Saddam's Iraq than Mossad was prepared to authorize." Thus, the OSP was getting cooked intelligence not only from its own intelligence unit, but also from an Israeli cell.

the3sattlers, 8/7/2015 10:24 AM EDT

"Sidney Blumenthal, a confidant who was paid by the Clinton Foundation, told the Select Committee on Benghazi Tuesday that the information he supplied the sitting Secretary of State came from a "respected former high-ranking CIA official," ...Sources close to the Benghazi investigation identified the official as Tyler Drumheller, a 25-year veteran of the CIA who retired from the agency in 2005 and has since worked in private consulting." Was it purposeful by WAPO to ignore this? Unimportant? Better to remember Iraq than more recent events? Tyler Drumheller RIP.

Even WAPO obits are biased and disgraceful. Great work, Miller.

jfschumaker, 8/6/2015 8:53 PM EDT

It's a great pity that Mr. Drumheller's doubts about "Curveball" were not more widely shared. It might have saved the country from a disastrous mistake, the invasion of Iraq.

That said, it's pretty clear that the political decision to launch the war was already made, and the intelligence was just gathered up to provide support for the idea, not to vet it.

It's also interesting that the Washington Post obit does not contain any information on Mr. Drumheller's most recent claim to fame, that he was reportedly Sidney Blumenthal's source for information provided to Secretary Clinton on Libya. I'm sure there must be a reason for that, but it escapes me. Washington is, after all, still "This Town." http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/tyler-drumheller-ma...


[Aug 08, 2015]About the value of top secret documents

Yves Smith August 8, 2015 at 1:40 am

No, you are wrong on this. It's more complicated than you think. Henry Kissinger sought out Daniel Ellsberg as one of his top priority meetings as a new government official . Ellsberg was highly respected as a world-reknown decision theorist, and as one of the most insightful people on Vietnam, having spend substantial time on the ground (as opposed to cloistered in Saigon) on behalf of the DoD and State. Ellsberg's description of that encounter from his book Secrets:

"Henry, there's something I would like to tell you, for what it's worth, something I wish I had been told years ago. You've been a consultant for a long time, and you've dealt a great deal with top secret information. But you're about to receive a whole slew of special clearances, maybe fifteen or twenty of them, that are higher than top secret.

"I've had a number of these myself, and I've known other people who have just acquired them, and I have a pretty good sense of what the effects of receiving these clearances are on a person who didn't previously know they even existed. And the effects of reading the information that they will make available to you.

"First, you'll be exhilarated by some of this new information, and by having it all - so much! incredible! - suddenly available to you. But second, almost as fast, you will feel like a fool for having studied, written, talked about these subjects, criticized and analyzed decisions made by presidents for years without having known of the existence of all this information, which presidents and others had and you didn't, and which must have influenced their decisions in ways you couldn't even guess. In particular, you'll feel foolish for having literally rubbed shoulders for over a decade with some officials and consultants who did have access to all this information you didn't know about and didn't know they had, and you'll be stunned that they kept that secret from you so well.

"You will feel like a fool, and that will last for about two weeks. Then, after you've started reading all this daily intelligence input and become used to using what amounts to whole libraries of hidden information, which is much more closely held than mere top secret data, you will forget there ever was a time when you didn't have it, and you'll be aware only of the fact that you have it now and most others don't….and that all those other people are fools.

"Over a longer period of time - not too long, but a matter of two or three years - you'll eventually become aware of the limitations of this information. There is a great deal that it doesn't tell you, it's often inaccurate, and it can lead you astray just as much as the New York Times can. But that takes a while to learn.

"In the meantime it will have become very hard for you to learn from anybody who doesn't have these clearances. Because you'll be thinking as you listen to them: 'What would this man be telling me if he knew what I know? Would he be giving me the same advice, or would it totally change his predictions and recommendations?' And that mental exercise is so torturous that after a while you give it up and just stop listening. I've seen this with my superiors, my colleagues….and with myself.

"You will deal with a person who doesn't have those clearances only from the point of view of what you want him to believe and what impression you want him to go away with, since you'll have to lie carefully to him about what you know. In effect, you will have to manipulate him. You'll give up trying to assess what he has to say. The danger is, you'll become something like a moron. You'll become incapable of learning from most people in the world, no matter how much experience they may have in their particular areas that may be much greater than yours."

Kurt Sperry August 8, 2015 at 4:32 pm

That doesn't really read to me as any sort of refutation of my skeptical assessment. This above top secret stuff is in Ellsberg's words "often inaccurate" and can thus lead or be used to lead the target away from more correct analyses by its inflated putative authority. As the sources for this in all likelihood cannot be fact checked or held accountable in any immediate way, it will tend to become an ad hoc vector for the deliberate injection of misinformation or highly biased analyses into the highest levels of policy decision making processes that can be used to influence policy outcomes in a completely opaque and unaccountable way. To cite the most obvious example, the entire Iraq War II was built around a false set of these "above top secret" assertions of fact that were fed to the highest levels of the executive, and in hindsight these could have been pretty easily debunked entirely using open sources. This "above top secret" intelligence turned out to be complete garbage and a major war was launched based on this garbage, which clearly says to me that "The stuff the spooks/deep staters/whatever tell the POTUS is probably in large measure just scaremongering bullshit tailored to elicit or lead the target towards a self serving set of policy choices."

Given this, it just feels "foily" to me to uncritically accept that there is a large body of highly secret and objective facts that top level decision makers have access to. If that stuff went through any real vetting or rigorous fact checking processes, Iraq War II would never have even happened. History says clearly and unambiguously that a system to do that fact checking isn't in place and thus the notion of a 'large body of highly secret and objective facts' is at best a distortion and probably often a complete fiction.

Neocons/ /media_military /nulandgate. Fighting_russo*/ Neoliberalism/ Neocolon*/ /color_revolutions. /deep_state. /predator_state.

[Aug 08, 2015] Don't Expect An Oil Price Rebound This Side Of 2017

"...with most market participants now resigned to at least another year of low oil prices, a lot of hope has gone out of the markets."
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"...Second, firms will keep pumping in many cases until their wells run dry. Fortunately for oil investors, shale wells have a much faster decline rate than traditional wells. Shale wells decline at a rate of between 60 percent and 90 percent over the course of three years."
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"...Rapid decline rates mean that U.S. oil production could begin declining as fewer and fewer new wells are drilled. But it will take time for production to come down sufficiently enough to support a major oil price rebound. Given that, investors need to focus on oil stocks that can get through the next two years on minimal (if any) profit, and they themselves need to be prepared to wait for a price rebound until 2017."

OilPrice.com

...firms have an incentive to produce now rather than waiting. Previously, some firms likely hoped that oil prices would spring back by the end of 2015 and that the firm's hedges could keep sales receipts high enough to avoid dealing with the dramatic fall in prices. But prices have not bounced back, and with most market participants now resigned to at least another year of low oil prices, a lot of hope has gone out of the markets.

... ... ...

This will take time though. First, many firms were propped up by their hedging programs. Those hedges are only just now starting to expire and exposing firms to the full depth of the oil price drop. Second, firms will keep pumping in many cases until their wells run dry. Fortunately for oil investors, shale wells have a much faster decline rate than traditional wells. Shale wells decline at a rate of between 60 percent and 90 percent over the course of three years.

Rapid decline rates mean that U.S. oil production could begin declining as fewer and fewer new wells are drilled. But it will take time for production to come down sufficiently enough to support a major oil price rebound. Given that, investors need to focus on oil stocks that can get through the next two years on minimal (if any) profit, and they themselves need to be prepared to wait for a price rebound until 2017.

By Michael McDonald for Oilprice.com

[Aug 08, 2015]Top 6 Myths Driving Oil Prices Down

"...The Saudis, as OPEC's largest producer and largest contributor to growth in 2015, have already stated that they will reduce output by 200,000-300,000 by summers end. "
OilPrice.com
"Whoever would overthrow the liberty of a nation must begin by subduing the freeness of speech."

Benjamin Franklin, Silence Dogood, The Busy-Body, and Early Writings

I start with that quote because once the media, as well as politicians for that matter, have no accountability for actions or words then liberty will dissolve. Over the last few weeks I have witnessed another litany of lies that the media insists on putting forth. They come in the form of statements presented as facts to sway opinion while others are opinions quoted by others. Either way, the bias in talking down oil prices, reinforcing the "glut" that is fueled in part by misleading EIA and IEA data, is readily apparent.

Earlier in the year I documented half a dozen media reports which turned out to be 100 percent false. Now I expose another half dozen in just the past few weeks. Prices remain unchanged as a result of the largest drop in production in a year, as well as a large inventory draw this week via the EIA. The very fact that prices haven't responded demonstrates my points. This comes despite the dollar index (UUP) over the last month remaining essentially flat while USO has fallen over 15 percent (so much for that relationship, except when the dollar rises right?)…

Related: A Reality Check For U.S. Natural Gas Ambitions

Even at the time of this article the dollar index is down 1 percent yet oil is down as well.

Here is a list of the latest lies:

  1. Iran Agreement to flood market. FALSE. OPEC has even stated that the natural 1.0 to 1.5 million barrels per day (MB/D) rise in demand in 2016 will more than offset any production rises in Iran which, contrary to earlier reports, won't come on line until early 2016. In addition, China will open up refining to third party, non-state-owned refineries which will reportedly add another 600,000 B/D in demand in 2016.
  2. Iran floating storage will flood market. FALSE. As initially reported in the media, it was Iranian oil floating in storage but it now turns out to be low grade condensate as stated by PIRA on Bloomberg a few weeks back and then supported by tankers attempting to move inventory to Asia. Later media reports corrected earlier ones that the storage is in fact condensate while failing to report on its grade.
  3. U.S. production resilient. FALSE. The latest EIA data refutes this as does data via EPS calls at Whiting Petroleum (WLL) & Hess Corporation (HES). Yes, some are increasing production such as Concho resources (CXO), but in the Bakken both companies confirm that 2H15 production will decline due to lower rigs and depletion. HES raised production for the year as a result of 1H15 production being higher than expected by some 5 percent. All in all, next week should see further production drops.
  4. U.S. Inventory resilient. FALSE. EIA data would have fallen last week by some 4MB as it did this week ex import surges and continues to be overstated by "adjustments" made to production that amount to millions of barrels in daily production.
  5. Cushing inventory fears revived. FALSE…see above.
  6. OPEC supply will continue. The Saudis, as OPEC's largest producer and largest contributor to growth in 2015, have already stated that they will reduce output by 200,000-300,000 by summers end. Yes true, OPEC as an entity won't formally announce a cut but isn't it misleading to report this?

... ... ...

I should note that WLL also refuted Goldman Sachs' call that, at $60, U.S. production and rig count increases would resume. Before the most recent fall in oil, that call admittedly looked true as rigs did rise and Pioneer Natural Resources (PXD) was reportedly going to add 2 rigs a month until early 2016.

WLL, however, finally drew a line in the sand as they stated on their EPS call that they would not add a rig until 4-6 months after oil remained at $60 or better. PXD, if they are smart, will follow suit and, I suspect, the oil industry has finally come to realize that the "Trillion Dollar Swindle" in oil is very real and normal supply and demand dynamics no longer apply. The law of diminishing returns in more supply is real thanks to media hype.

Lastly, I wish to emphasize that freedom of speech not only comes as the freedom to express yourself, as I am doing here now, as others have done freely in the media, presenting both bullish and bearish cases. However, the number of statements that have been proven false and not retracted, as well as the obvious bias should raise serious questions about the role of media in the current oil bust. Which industry will be under attack next?

Meanwhile, an industry which by simple math cannot generate free cash flow (FCF) on $100 oil is disintegrating before our eyes, with millions affected by the fallout. Targeting individuals has become a regular theme in the media but now it appears to have moved to certain industries.

Below demonstrates that even on $100 oil shale isn't self-sustainable on a FCF basis, never mind $50 oil.

Below is the estimated CF deficits for 2016 according to Jefferies with hedges:


(Click to enlarge)

How one on the sell side or media can argue for even lower oil to balance the market demonstrates the lack of detailed research and understanding of shale economics.

By Leonard Brecken of Oilprice.com

steve from virginia on July 31 2015 said:

- Oil prices are declining because oil product end users around the world are broke and cannot borrow. They cannot borrow b/c they are insolvent, they are insolvent b/c they cannot borrow.

- Oil prices are declining as a direct result of worldwide QE and other forms of easing. Easing shifts purchasing power proportionately to banks and large firms away from product end users. Without funds the end users cannot retire the drillers' expanding debts => drillers fall bankrupt.

- Oil prices are declining because using fuel does not offer any real returns, only vaporous 'utility' which is really pleasure. Oil is an indispensable form of capital, it has been squandered for 'thrills', we are now facing the consequences: end users who lack the means to support extraction efforts.

Keep in mind, ongoing fuel supply constraints (!) adversely affect end users faster than declining prices can subsidize them; this is a self-amplifying process. When it takes hold there is no escape from it; oil prices will decline to near-zero and the price will still be too high.

Joseph Castillo on August 01 2015 said:
Thank you for your insights, Leonard. No one seems to be noticing the production rollover here in Texas, nor the growing disparity between the Texas numbers and the EIA numbers and forecasts. Yesterday the market punished oil because of a very small increase in the rig count. Amazingly, the market completely missed that the EIA finally reported a significant drop (on the order of 150,000 bbls/day) for both their monthly volumes as well as their July 31st weekly numbers. At some point these facts will have to be recognized.

I am at a loss for how this goes unnoticed by the media and why "reputable" researchers at groups like Goldman-Sachs continue trumpeting the oil glut horn in direct conflict with the facts. Anyway, thanks for your work. It gives little guys like Bold Energy hope that we can survive.

Mike on August 02 2015 said:
Timothy. Your statement about demand growth is wrong. There has been significant demand growth and if you look at actual statistics you will see that.

I would not believe the fairy stories in Media news about demand though, because like most media stories at present, they seem to perpetuate a desired view rather than any effort to represent and true and honest account. .

Shakespit on August 03 2015 said:
Tone of article seems angry and strident, maybe desperate. How dare the media print anything that negatively affects oil pricing. The news stories are "myths," read "lies." Well surely if the stories are myths, reality will soon correct the price.

I am no expert but have read energy news with interest since the first oil shock in 1973, I know that the statement that "...$100 oil shale isn't self-sustainable ..." is a joke. Shale oil certainly is very sustainable at $100 per barrel; a lot of shale is sustainable at $50, as are Canadian tar sands.

The cost floor for unconventional oil to be sustainable has been wildly exaggerated for several years. Not four months ago Shell's head of tar sands production in an NPR interview corrected a young-sounding reporterette, who was stating the tar sands production needed $70 a barrel to break even, to say that the actual break even point was $36 a barrel. A $36 a barrel price for most unconventional oil is about the break even point cited for decades in the literature -- I think I'll stick with that figure as my understanding as the sustainable floor for most unconventional oil. Cheer up, myths can only hurt for so long, then the market will catch up and make it all better! So don't you worry about a thing! Thank you!!


Andrew on August 03 2015 said:

Agree with Steve from Virginia. QE was the most blatant and convoluted blow at the laws of economics, supply and demand. By seeking to undermine the cyclical nature of the economy and save those who would have been justly taken down the Fed and the politicians have created huge distortions which will echo through the economy for years to come. They stopped the market from adjusting itself, rebalancing wealth distribution and asset values, removing inefficiencies and restoring consumers purchasing power.

How this tinkering (this word is obviously inadequate to describe the meddling, a wrench in the gears is more appropriate) will propagate through the system is anybody's guess. I suppose the stats perversion in the oil industry and its subsequent degradation so aptly described by the author is one of them. .

zorro6204 on August 03 2015 said:

Myths don't drive the oil markets, supply and demand does. And the facts are that in spite of the price drop, production is not falling. I'm hard pressed to find any companies guiding to lower production, and neither could these guys:

"Barclays said a group of 101 oil companies that it tracks, which cover around 40% of global oil production, show no slowdown in the pace of production growth in 2015. After growing by one million barrels a day in 2014, the companies plan to accelerate output growth to 1.4 million barrels a day this year and maintain that level into 2016." - WSJ .

Matt on August 03 2015 said:

What the large independents should've done (the majors never would. Heck, they may be behind this driving down of the price of oil so they can snatch up a CLR or someone cheap) is stack every rig. Not drill a darn well at all in 2015, pay all of their hands from cash flow,and reevaluate at year end. Most of us little guys have already done that.

Shakespit is correct. If production is truly declining, the market will correct itself even if it is being manipulated psychologically or otherwise. When a buyer needs physical oil and it's not so easy to come by, the price offered will go up.

[Aug 07, 2015]What Lindsey Graham Fails to Understand About a War Against Iran

Earlier this week, Senator Lindsey Graham, a hawkish Republican from South Carolina, used a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing to stage a theatrical display of his disdain for the Obama administration's nuclear deal with Iran.

The most telling part of his time in the spotlight came when he pressed Defense Secretary Ashton Carter to declare who would win if the United States and Iran fought a war:

Here's a transcript of the relevant part:

Graham: Could we win a war with Iran? Who wins the war between us and Iran? Who wins? Do you have any doubt who wins?

Carter: No. The United States.

Graham: We. Win.

Little more than a decade ago, when Senator Graham urged the invasion of Iraq, he may well have asked a general, "Could we win a war against Saddam Hussein? Who wins?" The answer would've been the same: "The United States." And the U.S. did rout Hussein's army. It drove the dictator into a hole, and he was executed by the government that the United States installed. And yet, the fact that the Iraqi government of 2002 lost the Iraq War didn't turn out to mean that the U.S. won it. It incurred trillions in costs; thousands of dead Americans; thousands more with missing limbs and post-traumatic stress disorder and years of deployments away from spouses and children; and in the end, a broken Iraq with large swaths of its territory controlled by ISIS, a force the Iraqis cannot seem to defeat. That's what happened last time a Lindsey Graham-backed war was waged.

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But one needn't be an opponent of the Iraq war to glean its basic lessons.

Hawkish pols have a tendency to harken back to the late 1930s exclusively, but one need only look to the eve of World War I (to the Czar in Russia and the German Kaiser, say) to see that two countries can and do fight wars that both end up losing.

A war against the U.S. would likely be a disaster for Iran. And rigorous attempts to game out such a conflict suggest that it could be very bad for the U.S. as well.

My colleague Peter Beinart has written about this:

Robert Gates, who led the CIA under George H.W. Bush before becoming George W. Bush and Barack Obama's defense secretary, has said bombing Iran could prove a "catastrophe," and that Iran's "capacity to wage a series of terror attacks across the Middle East aimed at us and our friends, and dramatically worsen the situation in Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon and elsewhere is hard to overestimate."

Meir Dagan, who led Israel's external spy service, the Mossad, from 2002 to 2011, has warned that an attack on Iran "would mean regional war, and in that case you would have given Iran the best possible reason to continue the nuclear program." In the aftermath of a military strike, he added, "The regional challenge that Israel would face would be impossible."

Says Jeffrey Goldberg, another colleague, "War against Iran over its nuclear program would not guarantee that Iran is kept forever away from a bomb. It would pretty much guarantee that Iran unleashes its terrorist armies against American targets."

In 2004, my colleague James Fallows observed an Iran war game led by Sam Gardiner, a retired Air Force colonel who spent more than two decades conducting war games at the National War College and other military institutions––and whose prescience about aspects of the Iraq War, derived from simulations, came far closer to what happened than anything Senator Graham predicted.

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Said Fallows:

The most important hidden problem, exposed in the war-game discussions, was that a full assault would require such drawn-out preparations that the Iranian government would know months in advance what was coming. Its leaders would have every incentive to strike pre-emptively in their own defense. Unlike Saddam Hussein's Iraq, a threatened Iran would have many ways to harm America and its interests.

Apart from cross-border disruptions in Iraq, it might form an outright alliance with al-Qaeda to support major new attacks within the United States. It could work with other oil producers to punish America economically. It could, as Hammes warned, apply the logic of "asymmetric," or "fourth-generation," warfare, in which a superficially weak adversary avoids a direct challenge to U.S. military power and instead strikes the most vulnerable points in American civilian society, as al-Qaeda did on 9/11. If it thought that the U.S. goal was to install a wholly new regime rather than to change the current regime's behavior, it would have no incentive for restraint.

What about a pre-emptive strike of our own, like the Osirak raid? The problem is that Iran's nuclear program is now much more advanced than Iraq's was at the time of the raid. Already the U.S. government has no way of knowing exactly how many sites Iran has, or how many it would be able to destroy, or how much time it would buy in doing so. Worse, it would have no way of predicting the long-term strategic impact of such a strike. A strike might delay by three years Iran's attainment of its goal-but at the cost of further embittering the regime and its people. Iran's intentions when it did get the bomb would be all the more hostile.

Here the United States faces what the military refers to as a "branches and sequels" decision-that is, an assessment of best and second-best outcomes. It would prefer that Iran never obtain nuclear weapons. But if Iran does, America would like Iran to see itself more or less as India does-as a regional power whose nuclear status symbolizes its strength relative to regional rivals, but whose very attainment of this position makes it more committed to defending the status quo. The United States would prefer, of course, that Iran not reach a new level of power with a vendetta against America. One of our panelists thought that a strike would help the United States, simply by buying time. The rest disagreed.

Iran would rebuild after a strike, and from that point on it would be much more reluctant to be talked or bargained out of pursuing its goals-and it would have far more reason, once armed, to use nuclear weapons to America's detriment.

Lindsey Graham's notion that the question of war between America and Iran is coherently reducible to "we win" or "they win" is facile, dangerous, and especially galling from a man who ought to have learned better from the last war he urged. Even the most severe Iranian losses would not necessarily mean that "we win."

This article was originally published at http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/07/what-lindsey-graham-elides-about-a-war-against-iran/400148/?UTM_SOURCE=yahoo

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Si

One thing these war mongers do not realize is; by America getting involved in these small regional fights all around the world is making us weaker not stronger. An old bear who fights multiple fights with small bears, receives multiple scars and finally is overtaken by competing bears. Russia and China are just waiting on side lines for this opportunity. Let's not foreign entities, like AIPAC get us involved in these local wars. America's interest should be set at higher and moral goals.

Ronald Mayle

For one. If we were not war mongers we would be speaking German or French right now. We would still be kissing the rear end of a queen. Russian banks are failing and China's economy is tied into ours. We fight that is who we are

Elizabeth A

Many Americans were speaking German before the world wars. It's time to quit the Chamberlain, Pearl Harbor, Holocaust, deranged John Wayne Brain Cold Warrior nonsense! Germany could not handle an invasion across the English Channel, 20 miles and not the 3,500 across the Atlantic Ocean. Germany was roughly the size of Ohio. Japan was roughly the size of California. Neither had the population or production or ability to invade, beat or defeat us over here or over there. So, save it because we are no longer scared! Are the commies gonna still get us too?

thomas

Si, you are absolutely correct. We are squandering our resources all around the globe fighting bush wars on behalf of others while the two nations that are actual existential threats to the US build their military assets for the confrontation both have openly acknowledged that they foresee coming down the road. Both Great Britain and Rome in their empire days fell for this trap of over extension and military exhaustion.

TruTH

If victory is defined as who can kill more opposing soldiers, then the US has won all the wars its been part of since WWII.
However, if we look at the objective of any war being completed then we've lost all the wars since WWII (Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq).
So to answer Lindsey Graham - we will win by killing more opposing soldiers but lose because our objectives would not be completed.

Brad

My political beliefs, ideas, and my opinion on this deal put aside... that was just absolutely ridiculous. To talk about War, middle east politics and lives and future of millions of people as if we are talking about a UFC fight ( who would win? IDK, who won the Iraq war? what about the Afghanistan war? or Vietnam? or Korean war? can we honestly say that we "won" those wars? what did we win exactly?) that is just absolutely infuriating!! I tell you who would win a war with Iran, NOBODY WINS ANYTHING! WE ALL LOSE!

Sam Spade

The Iranians do not understand the nature of Satan's brothel. It is all about the money honey! Senator Lindsey Graham, like most American politicians, sides with those who bribe him. Sweet nothings whispered in the ear are not enough! You got to shell out some of them shekels to get some of that orgasmic bliss. The Iranians should get smart and start showering our political prostitutes with gold and silver. If they shell out love gifts, they will surely get some of that passionate love and affection (multiple ovations and ejaculations) which are now exclusively reserved for those handsome circumcised dashing gentlemen at AIPAC/Zionist/Israel.

Rudy t. Miller

Bernie Sanders: "While much more work remains to be done this framework is an important step forward. It is imperative that Iran not get a nuclear weapon. It also is imperative that we do everything we can to reach a diplomatic solution and avoid never-ending war in the Middle East. I look forward to examining the details of this agreement and making sure that it is effective ‎and strong."

Sanders vehemently OPPOSED the war in Iraq, one of the few in Congress who did. NO MORE CLINTONS OR BUSHES IN THE WHITE HOUSE!
Bernie Sanders for President, 2016!

[Aug 06, 2015] Crude Carnage Continues As Goldman Warns Storage Is Running Out

"... $58/bbl the 3-year forward oil price is at its lowest in a decade"
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"...Not only has emerging market growth slowed, but any benefits from lower prices are mostly behind us now, as the benefits only last 6 to 9 months. "
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"...The oil industry on average is not earning its cost of capital. The distinction between cash costs and total costs, also applies to 'well' versus 'company' returns. While the returns at the well can be economical at prices near $50/bbl, the returns for the company can be deeply underwater due to large-scale investments when prices were at $100/bbl. "
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"...While the supply and demand for the barrels of oil will likely find a balance between now and sometime in 2016 with an increasing likelihood of this being driven by operational stress, this doesn't mean a sharp rebound in prices will occur quickly as so many other factors will likely weigh on prices. "
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"... Iran has the potential to add 200 to 400 kb/d of production in 2016 and with significant investment far greater low-cost volumes in 2017 and beyond. Iran, like other OPEC countries, needs the revenues through volume. "
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"...I can almost foresee a crude [production] liquidation throughout all non OPEC and OPEC nations"
Aug 06, 2015 | Zero Hedge

WTI Crude is back below $45 again this morning - pressing towards 2015 and cycle lows -after Goldman Sachs' Jeffrey Currie warns 'lower for longer' is here to stay, with price risk "substantially skewed to the downside." His reasoning are manifold, as detailed below, but overarching is oversupply (Saudi Arabia has a challenge in Asia as it battles to maintain mkt share, the Russians are coming, andother OPEC members want a bigger slice) and, even more crucially, storage is running out. As Currie concludes, this time it is different. Financial metrics for the oil industry are far worse.

As Goldman Sachs' Jeffrey Currie explains...

1)Although spot oil prices have only retraced to the lows of this winter, forward oil prices, commodity currencies and energy equities/credit (relative to the broad indices) have now all retraced to levels not seen since 2005, erasing a decade of gains. This creates a very different economic environment as the search for a new equilibrium resumes: financial stress is higher, operational stress as defined below is more extreme and costs have declined further due to more productivity gains, a substantially stronger dollar and sharp declines in other commodity prices. These differences reflect not only a further deterioration in fundamentals, but also the financial markets' decreasing confidence in a quick rebound in prices and a recognition that the rebalancing of supply and demand will likely prove to be far more difficult than what was previously priced into the market. This is all in line with our lower-for-longer view. While we maintain our near-term WTI target of $45/bbl, we want to emphasize that the risks remain substantially skewed to the downside, particularly as we enter the shoulder months this autumn.

2) In January, we argued that one of the key tenets of the New Oil Order was that capital is now the new margin of adjustment. As shale has dramatically reduced time-to-build (the time between when producers commit capital and when they get production) from several years to several months, oil prices now need to remain lower for longer to keep capital sidelined and allow the rebalancing process to occur uninterrupted. This spring's rally in prices did prove to be self-defeating. Not only did all the capital markets reopen as oil prices rose, but producers began to redeploy rigs and remained under hedged, which is a reflection that the industry simply had not faced enough pain to create real financial stress that would create change.

3)This time it is different. Financial metrics for the oil industry are far worse. Forward oil prices are c.10% lower (at $58/bbl the 3-year forward oil price is at its lowest in a decade). At the same time leverage for the industry is rising as hedge books are much lighter, with 2016 hedge ratios at 9% versus a five-year average of 25%. Energy equity markets relative to the equity indices are at the lowest level since 2005 and at 3-year lows on an absolute basis. Energy high yield as an OAS spread ratio has also pushed above December 2014 highs. Although financial stress is higher, it alone is still unlikely to create the rebalancing needed due to the unique market structure of the New Oil Order, sidelined capital and declining costs.

4) The market structure of the New Oil Order is unprecedented. In January we showed that high-quality producing assets were on average owned by weak balance sheets while strong balance sheets on average owned the lower-quality producing assets. In other words, the IOCs and some NOCs own most of the higher-cost production while E&Ps, particularly US E&Ps, own much of the lower-cost production. Historically, weak balance sheets typically owned high-cost assets and vice versa, creating a linear relationship between lower prices and financial stress, which historically led to more financially motivated supply cuts as prices dropped. Yes, we have seen some of the few companies with weak balance sheets and high-cost assets run into trouble and go into maintenance mode, but they are not sufficient to shift the market balance. In contrast, the weaker balance sheets with high-quality assets issued equity during the spring, when capital markets were open, to buy more longevity by reducing leverage by half a turn. On net, from a financial perspective, the adjustment process is now likely to take longer.

5) Logistical and storage constraints are also tighter this time. We have argued for decades now that modern energy markets mostly rebalance through operational stress. Operational stress is created when a surplus breaches logistical or storage capacity such that supply can no longer remain above demand. Although perceptions this past April were that the market was near operational stress, it is now far closer. We estimate that the industry has added c.170 million barrels of petroleum to crude and product storage tanks since January and c.50 million barrels to clean and dirty floating storage. With increased operational stress in the system versus six months ago, we now attach a substantially higher probability to this being the margin of adjustment than we did in January. While the probability of blowing out storage this autumn is higher, the market will need to balance or adjust before next spring's turnarounds.

6) Should the market breach logistical and storage capacity constraints, this would kill the storage arbitrage between spot and forward prices and create a significant flattening of the entire forward curve (though front timespreads would likely blowout initially). Historically, once storage capacity is breached across all crude and products, supply must be brought back below demand immediately. To create the rebalancing physical constraints create a collapse in spot prices below cash costs as supply is forced in line with demand (late 1998 is a good example), creating the birth of a new bull market. Breaching crude storage capacity alone is not sufficient, as it simply leads to an increase in refinery runs creating product where storage capacity is available, so both crude and product storage needs to be breached. Further, this only requires breaching capacity in one or two of the key product markets given constraints on refinery product yields. In the current market, the likely candidate is distillate as inventories, particularly outside of the US, are extremely high and margins are weak. As the curve flattens, long-dated oil prices historically have drifted down toward cash prices. As producers face increasing financial stress, covering operating costs and surviving becomes more important than future growth.

7) It is important to separate cash costs from total costs. As oil markets are substantially oversupplied by nearly every measure (see below), the need for new incremental capacity is limited at the margin. New incremental capacity requires prices above 'total' costs, defined as fixed (capex) plus variable/cash costs (opex). However, in an environment where the market only needs to produce from existing capacity, prices only need to cover variable/cash costs to keep existing capacity operating. And herein lies the paradox, for the high-cost, strong balance sheet producer, cash costs are $40-$45/bbl versus total costs closer to $75/bbl. In contrast, the low-cost, weak balance sheet producer faces cash costs near $20/bbl with total costs near $55/bbl. As the high-cost production is mostly oil sands and other costly to shut in conventional oil, the stronger balance sheet producers with this production will resist the costs of shutting in, leaving the easier-to-shut, lower-cost production held by the weaker balance sheets as the more likely candidate. This suggests the volatility and risks to the downside are significant. Furthermore, a stronger US dollar, productivity gains and other commodity price declines only creates more cost deflation, via the negative feedback loop, making cash costs a moving target to the downside.

8) Commodity and emerging market currencies have also erased a decade of gains, reflecting the significant macroeconomic imbalances many of these countries are facing, created in part by the sharp decline in all commodity prices. This not only impacts emerging market demand for oil, Latin American demand in particular, but also lowers the costs to produce oil and commodities in these countries. To illustrate the sensitivity of oil cash costs to the Brazilian real (BRL) and Canadian dollar (CAD), we find that a 10% move in BRL or CAD shifts cash costs by 3% and 5% respectively. The BRL and CAD have weakened year-to-date by 31% and 14% respectively. Further, as we argued late last year, 2015 supply growth in regions facing sharp currency depreciation have been revised up since March by the IEA: Brazil (+24 kb/d), North Sea (+65 kb/d) and Russia (+145 kb/d). It is important to emphasize that markets have never seen such a large appreciation in the US dollar at the same time they have seen such a large surplus in the oil market. While it is unprecedented in the current direction, the weakest US dollar ever recorded on a trade-weighted basis was when oil prices peaked above $147/bbl in July 2008. As we have emphasized in all of our research since 2013, it is the same macro forces working in reverse today that pushed markets to the highs during the previous decade. The crude market didn't go to $147/bbl on oil fundamentals alone, nor would it be collapsing like this on oil fundamentals alone.

9) Nonetheless, fundamentals are weaker today than in 1Q. Global supply is currently up 3.0 million b/d (and averaged up 3.2 million b/d over the past 12 months), driven in large part by a surge in low-cost production from Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Russia. The largest demand growth ever observed was in 2004 when China and the emerging markets kicked off the previous decade's commodity boom and drove a 3.15 million b/d demand growth number. In 2004 the emerging markets had clean balance sheets in strengthening currencies which reflected their good health. Today, that boom decade has been brought to a halt. These countries are facing large macro imbalances and debt. Not only has emerging market growth slowed, but any benefits from lower prices are mostly behind us now, as the benefits only last 6 to 9 months. We estimate that current oversupply is c.2.0 million b/d versus c.1.8 million b/d in 1H15.

10) The oil industry on average is not earning its cost of capital. The distinction between cash costs and total costs, also applies to 'well' versus 'company' returns. While the returns at the well can be economical at prices near $50/bbl, the returns for the company can be deeply underwater due to large-scale investments when prices were at $100/bbl. Even assuming an aggressive company decline rate of 25% over the past year, that would make 75% of the assets legacy production. While commodity markets don't care about legacy fixed costs, and only about today's cost to bring on a marginal barrel, potential equity and credit investors do care about those legacy costs and what they do to company long-run returns. In general, energy companies at present cannot earn their cost of capital over the long-term (defined as the past 50 years). Long-run returns are 10% versus a cost of capital of 12.5%. In other words, they are wealth-destroying propositions from the get go. The reason for this is the industry constantly invests in new capacity during the investment phase of the super cycle, i.e. high and rising prices, and brings on line this new capacity during the exploitation phase of the super cycle, i.e. low and declining prices.

11) While the supply and demand for the barrels of oil will likely find a balance between now and sometime in 2016 with an increasing likelihood of this being driven by operational stress, this doesn't mean a sharp rebound in prices will occur quickly as so many other factors will likely weigh on prices. Not only will the macro forces keep prices under pressure, but historically markets trade near cash costs until new incremental higher-cost capacity is needed (even the IEA has revised 2015 non-OPEC output growth from existing capacity up by 265 kb/d since March).

In addition, low-cost OPEC producers are likely to expand capacity now that they have pushed output to near max utilization. At the same time Iran has the potential to add 200 to 400 kb/d of production in 2016 and with significant investment far greater low-cost volumes in 2017 and beyond. Iran, like other OPEC countries, needs the revenues through volume.

Even Venezuela accepted another $5 billion last week from China to produce oil from older fields. Finally, the capital markets for energy need to be rebalanced through consolidation and capital restructuring. This takes time to achieve. In the previous cycle this took from 1986 to 1998 and ended with the creation of the super majors. Today we expect it to go more quickly, just as we erased a decade in the matter of months, but it will take time.

JustObserving

Goldman always talks their book. How many hundreds of billions worth of oil is Goldman short?

cn13

Goldman predicted $32/barrel crude oil earlier this year right before the market rallied higher by nearly 50% in just a few weeks.

Why would anyone listen to these crooks? They are the worst of the worst.

I Eat Your Dingos

ZH its not like you haven't reported on this several times! [sarc]

Wait for Goldman to catch up. I can almost foresee a crude [production] liquidation throughout all non OPEC and OPEC nations . I wonder how long US shale producers can holdout during this continued crude drop in WTI and Brent


[Aug 02, 2015]Peak Oil Notes - July 30

The Turks have taken out after the Kurds again by intensive bombing of Kurdish military units in Turkey and Iraq. The Kurds have retaliated by blowing up the gas pipeline into Turkey from Iran and the line that was exporting oil from northern Iraq to the export terminal at Ceyhan, Turkey. The revival of open hostilities between Ankara and the Kurds almost certainly has many important ramifications for the future of the region.

Russia's economy has taken another a big hit from falling oil prices. The ruble was back above 60 to the dollar for a while on Tuesday before the government stepped in to stop the slide. If oil prices continue to fall, Moscow will be in a lot of economic trouble before the year is out.

[Aug 02, 2015]Shale Gas Reality Check

Key Conclusions

  • The EIA's Annual Energy Outlook 2015 is even more optimistic than the AEO2014, which we showed in Drilling Deeper suffered from a great deal of questionable optimism. The AEO2015 reference case projection of total shale gas production from 2014 through 2040 is 9%, or 36 tcf, greater than AEO2014. Cumulative production from the major plays in AEO2015, which account for 80% of this production, is 50% higher than Hughes's "Most Likely" case in Drilling Deeper, and the projected production rate in 2040 is 170% greater. In AEO2015, the EIA is counting much more on unnamed plays or ones-like the Utica Shale-that aren't as yet producing very much shale gas.
  • The only way to meet projections for most of these plays would be for production to ramp up massively years from now. But because the best wells are drilled first, and decline rates are so steep, this means that the EIA is likely counting on new technologies that aren't yet proven or even developed.
  • It's very difficult to see how unknown new technologies would be brought online, and be sufficient to overcome poorer and poorer quality drilling locations, without the price of natural gas going up well beyond what the EIA forecasts.
  • As it has acknowledged, the EIA's track record in estimating resources and projecting future production and prices has historically been poor. Admittedly, forecasting such things is very challenging, especially as it relates to shifting economic and technological realities. But the below-ground fundamentals- the geology of these plays and how well they are understood-don't change wildly from year to year. And yet the AEO2015 and AEO2014 reference cases have major differences between them; production rates have been revised both down and up by amounts exceeding 40% in some plays.

[Jul 31, 2015] Moscow Must Burn Ukraines Christian Taliban Pledges Anti-Russian Crusade

07/30/2015 | Zero Hedge

"Like the majority of Ukrainian people, I think (the new leadership) is bad ... They steal a lot. When Yanukovich was stealing, that was bad. But these people are clearing up when the country is at war, so they are guilty on two counts. This is marauding."

Those are the words of Dmytro Korchynsky, the commander of "Saint Mary", a volunteer battalion that, like Ukraine's official forces, is fighting to subdue the Russian- backed separatists who control the eastern part of the country.

Korchynsky - who spoke to Reuters - shares his generalized disaffection for the Poroshenko government with other Ukrainians who feel that little has changed since the ouster of Viktor Yanukovich.

"The (Maidan) revolution was interrupted by the aggression (in the east) and the patriots left Maidan and went to the east to protect Ukraine. Only 10 percent of people in positions of power are new; the rest are all the same, pursuing the same schemes they always did", says Serhiy Melnychuk, an MP and volunteer battalion founder who also sat down with Reuters.

Over the course of the last year, Ukraine has become the battleground for a proxy war between Russia and the West. It's one of several pieces currently in play on the geopolitical chessboard, and its citizens, like those of Yemen and Syria (fellow pawn nations), have been forced to endure a humanitarian crisis while more "consequential" countries sort out how the spoils will be divided and how borders will be redrawn.

Some Ukrainian nationalists however, have chosen to take matters into their own hands, taking up arms against the separatists and likening themselves to a "Christian Taliban" bent on ensuring that "Moscow burns."

Here's more from a Reuters special report on Ukraine's "maverick battalions":

From a basement billiard club in central Kiev, Dmytro Korchynsky commands a volunteer battalion helping Ukraine's government fight rebels in the east.

A burly man with a long, Cossack-style moustache, Korchynsky has several hundred armed men at his disposal. The exact number, he said, is "classified."

In the eyes of many Ukrainians, he and other volunteer fighters are heroes for helping the weak regular army resist pro-Russian separatists. In the view of the government, however, some of the volunteers have become a problem, even a law unto themselves.

Dressed in a colorful peasant-style shirt, Korchynsky told Reuters that he follows orders from the Interior Ministry, and that his battalion would stop fighting if commanded to do so. Yet he added: "We would proceed with our own methods of action independently from state structures."

Korchynsky, a former leader of an ultra-nationalist party and a devout Orthodox Christian, wants to create a Christian "Taliban" to reclaim eastern Ukraine as well as Crimea, which was annexed by Russia in 2014. He isn't going to give up his quest lightly.

"I would like Ukraine to lead the crusades," said Korchynsky, whose battalion's name is Saint Mary. "Our mission is not only to kick out the occupiers, but also revenge. Moscow must burn."

Most of Ukraine's almost 40 volunteer battalions grew out of squads of protesters who battled the Berkut riot police during the protests on Kiev's Independence Square, or Maidan Nezalezhnosti, which began in November 2013.


After the protests toppled President Viktor Yanukovich, pro-Russian separatists rose up in the east of Ukraine in April, 2014, demanding independence from the new government in Kiev, which they called a "fascist regime." In response, several leaders of the Maidan protests raced east with fellow protesters to try to stop the rebel advance.

Numerous brigades and battalions formed haphazardly, with most leaders accepting anyone willing to fight. Serhiy Melnychuk, who founded the Aidar battalion in eastern Ukraine and is now a member of parliament, said he signed up people between the ages of 18 and 62 and "from the homeless to pensioners."

Irregular though theses forces were, some acquired weapons from the Defense Ministry, officials and battalion leaders said. Others received money and equipment from wealthy oligarchs. They became powerful forces in the struggle against pro-Russian separatists.

In his billiard club headquarters, commander Korchynsky of the Saint Mary battalion made his disdain for the government plain. "Like the majority of

Ukrainian people, I think (the new leadership) is bad ... They steal a lot. When Yanukovich was stealing, that was bad. But these people are clearing up when the country is at war, so they are guilty on two counts. This is marauding."

He said the revolution that began with the Maidan had been interrupted, but would one day be completed. He did not say when.

If so, he will have to confront Poroshenko. On July 16, the president, decried the problems posed by unspecified "internal enemies" of the country. He told parliament: "I will not allow anarchy in Ukraine."

So in the end, we suppose the question is whether US weapons shipments to Kiev will be handed out to Ukraine's "Christian Taliban" and whether they, like their namesake, will one day turn those weapons back on the US once the Russians have been expelled.

Scratch that. The real question is this: what does George Soros think?

[Jul 29, 2015]Are Chinas Problems Responsible For Recent Market Slides

"... I have tried to link to a report from just over a week ago by Pete Wargent, an Australian with an accounting background who reports from investing.com, but it did not work. So, I am just going to lay out a bunch of reported data from a bunch of sources that suggests that while Dean is right about the NYTimes story, things are going on in China that are negatively affecting the world economy and are not being reflected in more aggregated statistics. One reason I wanted to link to Wargent was not just his immediate report that capital flight from China has been steadily soaring, probably at least quadrupling from about two years ago, he linked to an older report laying out how the Chinese government messes with its GDP accounts, pointing out foreign trade data as one area where things get misreported. He snarkily noted that China had just reported that the most recent quarterly growth report was at 7%, just what the government had forecast, but...|"
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"...In May, oil imports were down 11% from a year before."
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"...Anyway, declines in oil purchases by them and rumors that the Chinese have guaranteed a gold price floor of $1000, well, I guess we do not know what is really going on with any of this, whether or not declines in these and other markets are really due to a bigger slide in the Chinese economy than is being officially reported at the aggregate level, this cannot be ruled out. But, I think there is reason to be concerned."
Jul 29, 2015 | EconoSpeak

So, WTI oil has slid below$49 per barrel; gold has gone below $1100, although it jumped today. The US stock markets have been down in recent days for no obvious reasons, and some others are not looking so hot either. Is there a common thread? The big Greece crisis is over, although that could yet blow up, although I think most markets already know about that.

There have been lots of rumbling that problems in China might have something to do with all that. There is no way to know this for sure, especially given China's long record of manipulating data. Furthermore, serious observers are dismissing all this as a bunch of bad hype, most notably Dean Baker recently, accurately dumping on an incompetent story out of the NYTimes (who seem to be pretending that they were secretly bought by Rupert Murdoch lately). The Times had a story about the decline of the Chinese stock market, making a big deal about it. Dean accurately noted that it is still above where it was in February, so the NYT looks pretty silly making such a big deal about it, especially since the Chinese stock market seems to have stabilized, as have the housing markets in Shanghai and Beijing, even if it is still falling in a lot of lower tier cities.

I have tried to link to a report from just over a week ago by Pete Wargent, an Australian with an accounting background who reports from investing.com, but it did not work. So, I am just going to lay out a bunch of reported data from a bunch of sources that suggests that while Dean is right about the NYTimes story, things are going on in China that are negatively affecting the world economy and are not being reflected in more aggregated statistics. One reason I wanted to link to Wargent was not just his immediate report that capital flight from China has been steadily soaring, probably at least quadrupling from about two years ago, he linked to an older report laying out how the Chinese government messes with its GDP accounts, pointing out foreign trade data as one area where things get misreported. He snarkily noted that China had just reported that the most recent quarterly growth report was at 7%, just what the government had forecast, but...

So, what he noted is that while these aggregate number can say one thing, looking at more micro data can tell very different stories. Here are some numbers, each taken from a different source:

1. In March, electrical power production (from all sources) was down 2% from a year before.
2. In May, oil imports were down 11% from a year before.
3. Truck sales have fallen by nearly a half between last year and now.
4. Capital flight numbers are accelerating, possibly more dramatically than the quadrupling figure reported by Wargent.

So, maybe these are consistent with an aggregate 7% growth rate, but does not look like it. Many outside observers are arguing that the Chinese GDP growth rate is more like 4%, with some saying that in the first quarter it hit zero or even lower, although picking up more recently.

A final point regards the stock market bubble story. While Dean Baker sneered at the story from the NYTimes, an aspect not reported by them or him, but in Wargent reports and some other sources says that the methods used by the Chinese government in its efforts to halt the stock market slide (so far successful) were very extreme, including simply forbidding many stocks from being sold, and also forcibly confining stock dealers in rooms until they engaged in purchasing some stocks, with portions of the market still shut down with no transactions allowed. So, the stock market is not at all really stabilized. We are seeing the ugly side of the old Chinese system, trying to keep a lot of problems under control that they have not had to deal with.

Anyway, declines in oil purchases by them and rumors that the Chinese have guaranteed a gold price floor of $1000, well, I guess we do not know what is really going on with any of this, whether or not declines in these and other markets are really due to a bigger slide in the Chinese economy than is being officially reported at the aggregate level, this cannot be ruled out. But, I think there is reason to be concerned.

Barkley Rosser

[Jul 29, 2015] Oil groups have shelved $200B in new projects as low prices bite

"...The plunge in crude prices since last summer has resulted in the deferral of 46 big oil and gas projects with 20 billion barrels of oil equivalent in reserves "
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"...Deepwater drilling rigs cost hundreds of thousands of dollars a day to hire and these projects could yet proceed if contractors' costs fall far enough. "
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"...Canada is the biggest single region affected, with the development of some 5.6 billion barrels of reserves, almost all oil sands, having been deferred."
Jul 26, 2015 | cnbc.com

The plunge in crude prices since last summer has resulted in the deferral of 46 big oil and gas projects with 20 billion barrels of oil equivalent in reserves - more than Mexico's entire proven holdings - according to consultancy Wood Mackenzie.

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More than half the reserves put on hold lie thousands of feet under the sea, including in the Gulf of Mexico and off west Africa, where the technical demands of extracting crude and earlier inflation have pushed up the cost of projects. Deepwater drilling rigs cost hundreds of thousands of dollars a day to hire and these projects could yet proceed if contractors' costs fall far enough.

Canada is the biggest single region affected, with the development of some 5.6 billion barrels of reserves, almost all oil sands, having been deferred.

[Jul 29, 2015]Is oil price set for rebound after losing streak

"...JP Morgan, for instance, expects Brent prices to hit $65 a barrel in the third quarter, and $67 dollars in the fourth quarter of this year."
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"...Barclays analysts, meanwhile, expect Brent to trade around $61 a barrel in the third quarter and $66 in the last quarter of the year – although it did acknowledge the threats to its forecast."
Jul 20, 2015 | cnbc.com

JP Morgan, for instance, expects Brent prices to hit $65 a barrel in the third quarter, and $67 dollars in the fourth quarter of this year.

"We view July and August as the most likely time within 3Q 2015 when crude markets should be at their tightest, given peak summer demand for gasoline and the fact that refinery crude runs are forecast to peak in August," the bank said in a note on Friday.

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Barclays analysts, meanwhile, expect Brent to trade around $61 a barrel in the third quarter and $66 in the last quarter of the year – although it did acknowledge the threats to its forecast.

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Barclays analysts added that, from a fundamental perspective, 2016 looked undervalued.

[Jul 29, 2015]World Natural Gas Shock Model

"...I mean, I know WTI is around $47.00 due to the temporary lull in world oil consumption (leading to a temporally local oversupply of 2 million or so barrels a day), but that won't last (after all, what's the solution for low prices? Low prices, which spurs consumption. Duh! Econ 101 right?). Still though, it does seem like some optimism is perhaps not out of place."
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"...A sustainable industrial civilization IS at least technically possible."
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"..."Looks like any oversupply won't be around much longer" depends on the time span, and the human factor: how many investors are willing to bet oil prices will recover to $80-90 per barrel by 2017? The key is to understand there's a large dose of unquantifiable human behavior in this game."
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"...BREAKING: US #oil production fell 145 kb/d according to latest #EIA weekly data to 9413 kb/d http://ir.eia.gov/wpsr/overview.pdf #crude"
Jul 29, 2015 | Peak Oil Barrel
The Wet One: 07/28/2015 at 3:30 pm
I've been on holidays, taking a break from it all and flying all over the western hemisphere burning up precious fuel.

Now that I'm back to reality, is there any reason to believe that the world will not go to hell in handbasket before I die in about 40 or so years?

I mean, I know WTI is around $47.00 due to the temporary lull in world oil consumption (leading to a temporally local oversupply of 2 million or so barrels a day), but that won't last (after all, what's the solution for low prices? Low prices, which spurs consumption. Duh! Econ 101 right?). Still though, it does seem like some optimism is perhaps not out of place.

But then I read Albert Bartlett's comments about the exponential function and, yeah, I'm hoping against hope aren't I? World population growth, carbon continues to be added to the atmosphere, and bad things will still probably arrive before I die in about 40 years.

And my planned for, but presently non-existent children, will be going into that maelstrom along with my grandchildren.

Ok, I'm properly depressed again now.

I need to go back on holidays. Perhaps somewhere a little closer this time (seriously, no need for another 15,000 km round trip. That was a lot of travel).

Dennis Coyne: 07/28/2015 at 3:55 pm
Hi Wet one,

There is a good possibility (better than 50% chance) that within 5 to 10 years of the beginning of oil decline (more than 0.5% per year for 3 years or more so people recognize it) that there will be an economic depression. My guess is between 2028 and 2033 for the start of Great Depression 2.

How the world responds is key, will we also repeat WW2 or worse or will there be a focus on solving the energy problem and associated environmental problems with wise social investments? A build out of rail, light rail and High Voltage DC transmission would be a start. Tax credits for non fossil fuel energy production and development might also help along with a stiff tax on carbon emissions.

Much is possible, higher fossil fuel prices as they deplete will help move society towards alternative energy, but it probably won't be fast enough to avoid a crisis. The response to crisis will determine the ride.

old farmer mac: 07/28/2015 at 9:41 pm
Don't let people like Bartlett get you too far down.

Back when I was an agriculture undergrad in the fabled sixties I heard all the doom and gloom predictions made up until that time in the biology classes that made up well over a third of my studies. Those classes sometimes carried ag id such as Ag BioChem 201 as opposed to Intro BioChem 201 etc but they were taught in the same classrooms at the same hour by the same professors to the biology majors.I had a long conversation with Erlich himself, the guy who wrote The Population Bomb, when he came to Va Tech as a visiting scholar.

Back in those days I had a "hot young blossom" ( Twain) of my very own, who although she was a hot blooded Baptist farm girl with four sisters and a brother make it perfectly clear that SHE would never have more than two kids. Of course being young and intellectually arrogant and extremely well read (for a youngster) and all that sort of thing it never even occurred to me in my ignorance that women all over the world might be thinking the same way in a couple of generations.When I look back the width and depth of my ignorance in those amazes the hell out of me. Nowadays I am so far behind when it comes to really understanding the new technological realities the youngsters look at me with pity if not outright contempt. But I know ONE thing they have not yet learned – that thing being that they just might be WRONG about the future.

I looked at people like Erlich as demigods back in my youth and promptly forgot about them -believing that the shit would hit the fan SOMEDAY just as they predicted but also believing that someday was too far down the road to concern myself with it.

There is NOTHING wrong with Bartlett's actual science but as Yogi sez, predicting is HARD, especially the future. Bartlett and Erlich know (knew) their stuff but they failed to anticipate falling birth rates and they grossly underestimated or ignored the rate at which progress was being and is still being made in energy efficiency and conservation measures.

They did not foresee the computer and electronic communication revolution that is making it possible for poor people's kids in backward countries to get a basic education formerly totally out o their reach.

They did not foresee the coming of cheap photovoltaics or the sort of genetic engineering that allows modern farmers to grow more food on less land without the topsoil washing away due to plowing over and over.

There is as much critical knowledge to be gained from the study of history and literature as there is from the hard sciences themselves.

A sustainable industrial civilization IS at least technically possible. Anybody who tells you otherwise is basing his arguments on outdated assumptions such as the EROEI of renewables being too low to get the job done. Plenty of capable physicists will tell you the same. I have asked four personally. None of the four is willing to predict such a civilization WILL come to pass but all four believe it is within the realm of the possible.

Falling birth rates and changing life styles in combination with new technology mean we DO have a chance – some of us at least.

There is no reason to assume that the entire world is going to suffer a silmantaneous hard crash, although the cards might fall that way-especially if we fight a flat out WWIII which is a real possibility.There ARE plenty of good reason to believe large parts of the world WILL suffer such a crash at somewhat different times. This is what overshoot is all about.

Western European countries will sooner or later do whatever they must do to stop the flow of immigrants from Africa and other nearby places. If it takes machine guns at the borders, machine guns will eventually be deployed.

I anticipate our southern American border being closed up tight within ten years or so regardless of which party controls the country. As times get tougher the voters are not likely going to tolerate much immigration legal or otherwise.

Life IS a Darwinian affair and while we have a great capacity to show empathy and assist each other in times of trouble, we look after our nested "in" groups starting with the immediate family, the extended family, the local community… right on up to the nation state we call home.

With a little luck – more than a little – the USA, Canada, and a few other nations possessed of plenty of resources, defensible borders, large educated populations, very powerful armed forces or very powerful allies etc etc have a decent shot at pulling thru the coming crisis, although I expect some very hard times even here in the USA.

There really isn't ANYTHING at all that we MUST have to survive and live decent lives that we do not possess already within our borders.

Stay well away from places such as Egypt and Detroit and go ahead and have a couple of kids.

It times past they would have been at high risk of dieing from starvation, a dozen different contagious diseases, war, snake bite, exposure, food poisoning, a broken bone or an abscessed tooth or old age at thirty five due to working themselves to death.

Pick a good spot to raise them and teach them how to think for themselves and to work hard and smart and they will probably have about as good a shot at living to be old and providing you with grandchildren as any generation that has ever lived.

There is a LOT to be said for the Bible Belt mountains of the southeastern USA. In the event the shit hits the fan really hard, there is no better place to be. In the lottery of life I am a damned lucky individual, having been born to a family with the right color skin and a suitable name etc in the strongest and best situated nation on earth. I got lucky again coming from one of the best spots in the USA. Call my hand four of a kind. If my parents had been rich and connected, I would have drawn a royal flush. I am guessing that you are holding not less than a full house yourself but I don't know where you are from.

Safety is an illusion. The grave worms WILL have their way with us unless our carcasses are pumped full of nasty chemicals and in that case the anaerobic bacteria will get the carcass anyway. When we quit believing in God we did not just immediately start believing in NOTHING. Without something bigger and grander to look up to we have gotten to looking at our navels too often and want to live forever since death is so scary.

I don't have any qualms about life being dangerous. Life has always been dangerous until very recently indeed. Quite a few of the people buried in the church cemetery where I will rot away next to my parents met violent ends. Men who wear panties feel compelled to call the police when troubles come to them but men around here just make it clear that trouble is met with more and BIGGER trouble. Consequently we have very little trouble excepting domestic troubles and occasional burglaries etc. Home invasions and armed robbery are just about unheard of.

Something will get us all sooner or later but later might very well be a century or ten centuries down the road for YOUR bloodline. That something might be ten thousand years down the road.

Your kids and grandkids will not miss what they did not experience themselves. They might have to fight and they might have to work themselves to death but there is nothing new about such fates.

Fernando Leanme: 07/29/2015 at 4:55 am
"Looks like any oversupply won't be around much longer" depends on the time span, and the human factor: how many investors are willing to bet oil prices will recover to $80-90 per barrel by 2017? The key is to understand there's a large dose of unquantifiable human behavior in this game.
islandboy: 07/28/2015 at 10:31 pm
This presents a nice opportunity for me to present the results of this months EIA Electricity Supply Monthly or more accurately Tables 1.1 and 1.1A. The graph shows production as a percentage of total by source and it is worthy of note that while coal regained it's prominence over all other sources particularly Natural Gas, between April and May, all sources except renewables (both hydro and non hydro) are up in absolute terms. April seems to have been the low point so far for this year, as it has been for the two previous years.

old farmer mac: 07/28/2015 at 11:37 pm
From the same report:

lectric Utilities
Year-to-Date
Receipts Cost Receipts Cost
(Physical Units) (Dollars / Physical Unit) Number of Plants (Physical Units) (Dollars / Physical Unit)
Fuel May 2015 May 2014 May 2015 May 2014 May 2015 May 2014 May 2015 May 2014 May 2015 May 2014
Coal (1000 tons) 47,094 50,122 45.07 48.21 222 237 239,155 239,638 44.57 46.85
Petroleum Liquids (1000 barrels) 1,192 895 75.86 131.40 109 119 6,842 7,534 74.47 131.26

Petroleum Coke (1000 tons) 357 383 56.26 60.11 9 8 1,657 1,794 54.27 56.52
Natural Gas (1000 Mcf)

Unless my mental arithmetic is off this chart indicates that utilities spent about two billion bucks buying coal in May. Say for conversational purposes twenty four billion for the 2015 calendar year.

I have found that hard numbers are hard to come by but my best guess is that wind and solar power are saving us very close to what it would have cost to buy another four percent of either coal or gas.

And when you do things to reduce the sale of a commodity, you are doing things that reduces the price of that commodity. EVERYBODY all across the economy, excepting coal and gas producers and their employees gets just about everything a little cheaper.

The avoided expense of purchasing that much MORE coal and gas will be repeated month after month year after year for the entire life of EXISTING wind and solar farms. The price reduction resulting from utilities buying less coal and gas will spread out all thru the entire economy benefitting ALL of us for that same lifetime.

Excepting a mere handful of railroad employees the coal industry produces damned few jobs except in the coal fields and not very many even there.

Renewables on the other hand create a lot of jobs spread out over the entire country. A wind or solar farm built in Podunk pays taxes locally and provides employment locally.

Fernando Leanme: 07/29/2015 at 5:02 am
U.S. Gas producers pay taxes. Almost everything used to build wells and facilities is USA sourced. The labor is mostly natives, and a lot of that work is well paid.

The cheap gas price is caused by over drilling, not by renewables. On the other hand wind turbines and solar require subsidies and increase electricity bills. This reduces disposable income, which in turn cuts business for barbers, hairdressers, plastic surgeons, and dentists. This in turn increases the crime rate, which leads to higher prison costs on society.

old farmer mac: 07/29/2015 at 6:42 am
The very cheap price of gas is caused MOSTLY by excess supply at this time-you are right about this.Your entire comment is on the money- so far as it goes if you consider only the SHORT term.

But in your usual mule stubborn way you refuse to recognize any fact that does not reflect well on your own positions. Gas is not always going to be cheap and not everybody believes the good jobs should always go to people who live far away and that property taxes should always be paid to people in far away places.

You just flat out refuse to put any weight at all on the perfectly well understood and universally accepted (except by Watcher) relationship known as supply and demand-except when it suits YOUR argument.

CHEAP gas is the result of OVERSUPPLY. Oversupply is as a matter of fact mostly brought on by over drilling FOR NOW but part of the oversupply is due to renewable power cutting into the demand for gas and coal.

As time passes renewables will produce a larger and larger share of our energy and thus hold down gas prices to a substantial extent.

Overshoot is a VERY real problem and we are deep into overshoot already and the end result is going to be that barring miracles most of the seven billion people on this planet are going to continue to live very hard lives and meet untimely hard ends.

But you may be forgiven the typical engineers fault of near total ignorance of the life sciences since they were not taught in the engineering curriculum back in the dark ages and are seldom taught in that field even today.

People by the BILLION cannot afford coal and gas TODAY. The capital to extend grid system electricity to them does not exist and they would have nothing to export to pay for oil and gas in any case. There is a limit to the amount of throw away junk the rich countries can consume and the supply already overwhelms demand for it.

Renewables are the closest thing we have to a pressure relief valve on the boiler of overshoot. The valve is going to prove to be TOO SMALL to get the job done PROPERLY but it will nevertheless DELAY the violence of the eventual baked in explosion.

Karen Fremerman: 07/28/2015 at 7:07 pm
Thanks Dennis. I have a question. Won't oil declines really rule over natural gas in the short and long run? If/when oil starts it's real relentless decline, won't that limit how much natural gas (or any other resource/commodity for that matter) can be delivered because extraction and transportation all take oil to get to market? Isn't oil the limiting factor?
Thanks
Karen
old farmer mac: 07/29/2015 at 7:04 am
Oil is for very good reasons known as the lifeblood of the economy but it is NOT absolutely necessary for the economy to continue to thrive IF the supply declines slowly and the supply of gas increases fast enough to compensate for the decline of oil.

Gas can be substituted as a motor fuel in the gas and oil fields and most mining is already electrified anyway. Heavy industries such as the manufacture of steel and all the things made out of steel depend on only to the extent that they depend on highway trucks to deliver input materials and output product.Otherwise they run on electricity generated mostly with coal and gas.

Trains can be electrified and so can mining machinery used for surface mining – machinery such as bulldozers and excavators.Trucks can run on natural gas.

Shrinking oil supplies are going to hurt us and hurt us a LOT but if gas is as plentiful as some think it is then a lack of plentiful oil is not going to KILL us but the pain may well extend to the economy going into the longest and deepest depression of modern times.This would be the MOTHER of ALL DEPRESSIONS and the worst one EVER.

Eventually both oil and gas are going to come up very short indeed and then the fall back position will probably be coal to liquids.

The proof that we can get by with less oil is crystal clear. Take a look at the per capita consumption in places such as France and consider that the French will have a totally electrified rail system within the next few years.

It sounds very mean and harsh to say it but the billions of poor people in the world who use next to no oil at all are going to CONTINUE to use next to no oil at all and stay poor given that the oil they would like to consume does not exist for the most part.

The rest of us are going to learn to get by with electrified automobiles, mass transit,bicycles and shoe leather sooner or later.

UNLESS renewables get to be incredibly cheap. In that case we might MANUFACTURE motor fuels using renewable electricity but the odds of this coming to pass look to be exceedingly slim.

Dennis Coyne: 07/29/2015 at 8:30 am
Hi Karen,

I am glad I read Mac's response before ing. I agree with him that it is possible that oil decline will not affect natural gas output very much. Note that in the past, oil shocks have not affected natural gas output very much, this may or may not continue in the future, but the effect will be limited by substitution as Mac suggests IMO.

SAWDUST: 07/28/2015 at 9:46 pm
In a world with less oil. The use of other sources of energy will grow exponentially. Unless you believe people will stop doing things that require energy. Or believe there will soon be far fewer people using energy.

In all likelihood oil shock will bring the day of gas shock forward in time a good bit. As gas consumption will rise a good bit in the wake of oil shock.

shallow sand: 07/28/2015 at 9:58 pm
Off topic.

To Rune. Also to Doug, who I recall has a connection in the industry in Norway.

Read over Statoil earnings release. They beat estimates due to better than expected domestic results, but their international operations lost money for the third quarter in a row. The Wall Street Journal article said the company was the most disappointed in its North American operations, which I presume means shale and tar sands.

Would be interested in your take on this or any additional information you may have.

shallow sand: 07/28/2015 at 11:39 pm
Looked at SM Energy Q2 10Q. Production dropped from 186K BOE per to 181K BOE per day from Q1 to Q2. Full year guidance is 168-175K BOE per day. So will drop significantly in second half.

Majority of production in EFS. Next most in Bakken, Divide County, which is not sweet spot but wells cost much less also.

They sold $317 million of assets and used 100% of the proceeds to pay down debt.

They reduced rigs from 17 to 9 and will pull two more from the Bakken in the fall.

They did lower OPEX significantly from Q1 to Q2. They greatly benefitted from hedges, and have around 40-45% of production hedged through 2015. Caused realized oil price after hedges to be $65 per barrel and $4.30 for gas. 2016 hedged volumes much less than 2015.

Playing it smart in my opinion. Should be close to cash flow neutral in second half, due to greatly reduced CAPEX and hedges.

IMO a company that is playing the down turn smarter than others. Still have over $2 billion of debt, but are choosing reduced production over adding even more debt.

shallow sand: 07/29/2015 at 8:34 am
Looked at Hess Corporation second quarter 10Q/earnings release.

Company wide production up to 391,000 boepd from 361,000 boepd in first quarter.

Bakken production also up to 119,000 boepd from 108,000 boepd in first quarter.

Company burned over $1.5 billion in cash from 1/1/15 to 6/30/15

Report that cost to Drill and Complete a well in Bakken decreased to $5.6 million, which to me is a tremendous cost reduction. This to me is very noteworthy.

Sold interest in their Mid Stream assets for $3 billion dollars, which will (unfortunately) provide them with a lot more cash to keep increasing production.

For the second quarter of 2015, company posted a loss of ($1.99) per share v. earnings per share in second quarter of 2014 of $2.96 per share. For first six months, posted loss of ($3.37) per share v. earnings of $4.13 per share in first six months of 2014. The ($1.99) includes a large impairment due to much lower commodity prices, operating loss for Hess was ($.52) for the second quarter of 2015.

Hess did not add debt. That still stands at just about $6 billion. The asset sale gives them a ton of cash to either pay down debt, drill more wells, or both. It closed this month, will be reflected in Q3 numbers.

Given that they raised production in the Bakken by 11 thousand barrels per day from Q1 to Q2, I think it is doubtful we will see much of a decrease in June Bakken production. Whiting releases after the close, but they have already guided higher production in the Bakken as well, I believe. Will be interesting to see if they disclose similar lower costs per well as Hess. If we are going from $10 million dollar wells, to $5-6 million dollar wells, I assume US production will not decrease and there could be an even more prolonged period of low oil prices. The US companies will not make money, but I really don't think management like Hess cares about that as much as increasing production, given that they sold a major asset in order to fund more drilling at such low commodity prices.

coffeeguyzz: 07/29/2015 at 9:07 am
Shallow

To continue the meme of increasing output despite horrific financials, the July 27 piece on Seeking Alpha by Mike Filloon (Mega fracs increasing production …), discusses the 'halo effect' whereby operators are not only increasing production via new frac'ing designs, they are also boosting offset wells' output, sometimes to a startling degree.

One CLR well doubled output after a new nearby well was frac'd, and its decline rate practically ceased. Furthermore, the two wells were in different formations, one TF and one Middle Bakken.

Should these operators continue to successfully implement this, as new wells are frac'd one by one, offset wells will see ongoing elevated production causing all prior predictive decline curves to be inaccurate.

Could be a lot more hydrocarbons coming to market, shallow.

Dean: 07/29/2015 at 9:42 am
BREAKING: US #oil production fell 145 kb/d according to latest #EIA weekly data to 9413 kb/d http://ir.eia.gov/wpsr/overview.pdf #crude

Lower48 down 151 kb/d to 8953 kb/d.First big fall in US #oil production: is fracklog no more sufficient to compensate the fall in rigs?#crude

[Jul 28, 2015] The Geopolitical Big Bang You Probably Don't See Coming

In the end, whatever Washington may do, it will certainly reflect a fear of the increasing strategic depth Russia and China are developing economically, a reality now becoming visible across Eurasia.
Jul 28, 2015 |  thenation.com

So consider it the Mother of All Blockbusters to watch how the Pentagon and the war hawks in Congress will react to the post-Vienna and-though it was barely noticed in Washington-the post-Ufa environment, especially under a new White House tenant in 2017.

It will be a spectacle. Count on it. Will the next version of Washington try to make it up to "lost" Russia or send in the troops? Will it contain China or the "caliphate" of ISIS? Will it work with Iran to fight ISIS or spurn it? Will it truly pivot to Asia for good and ditch the Middle East or vice-versa? Or might it try to contain Russia, China, and Iran simultaneously or find some way to play them against each other?

In the end, whatever Washington may do, it will certainly reflect a fear of the increasing strategic depth Russia and China are developing economically, a reality now becoming visible across Eurasia. At Ufa, Putin told Xi on the record: "Combining efforts, no doubt we [Russia and China] will overcome all the problems before us."

Read "efforts" as new Silk Roads, that Eurasian Economic Union, the growing BRICS block, the expanding Shanghai Cooperation Organization, those China-based banks, and all the rest of what adds up to the beginning of a new integration of significant parts of the Eurasian land mass. As for Washington, fly like an eagle? Try instead: scream like a banshee

[Jul 27, 2015]The Nuclear Deal is Mostly about Oil by John Browne

Jul 27, 2015 | Safehaven.com

The recent nuclear non-proliferation agreement between Iran and the U.S. has created a firestorm debate in the Middle East and both sides of the Atlantic. While the deal is supposedly all about nuclear power and nuclear bombs, its practical implications are all about oil. But the conclusions we should make about its impact on the energy sector are far from clear. A ratification of the deal would allow Iran to make lucrative long term production and distribution contracts with foreign energy firms. However, freely flowing oil from Iran would add significant new oil supply into the world markets, disrupt U.S. plans to become an energy exporter, and could potentially put further downward pressure on prices.

The U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) reports Iran's proven oil reserves as the fourth largest in the world, at 158 billion barrels, or about 10% of the world's crude oil reserves. It also has the world's second largest reserves of natural gas (Oil & Gas Journal, January 2015). But as a result of the series of sanctions laid on Iran by the United States and the United Nations for Iran's failure to abide by nuclear inspections, which have essentially blockaded the nation, these reserves have done little good for the Iranian economy or the theocratic Muslim government that holds the country in its tight grip.

The IMF estimates that Iran's oil and natural gas export revenue had been $118 billion as recently as 2011/12. But by 2012/2013 revenues fell by 47 percent to $63 billion. Revenues declined another 10 percent in 2013/14 to $56 billion (Islamic Republic of Iran, Country Report, April 14, 2014). By May 2015, Iran's daily oil production had fallen from 4 million barrels in 2008 to just over 2.8 million barrels.

It goes without saying that the removal of the sanctions regime will allow Iran to resume exports at levels seen in the past. And if Iran is true to its word, and that its nuclear program is indeed focused on the development of nuclear power plants, then it is likely that its domestic demand for fossil fuels will fall, thereby allowing for even greater exports.

The first issue regarding Iran's new oil flow is how easily will it be able to reestablish its former customer links and sell its oil, regardless of increased production. Having destabilized the Middle East by killing Saddam Hussein, the U.S. may wish now to leave the areas' nations alone to sort out the resulting mess. Into this void we can be sure that the Chinese and Russians will stride forcefully and deliberately.

Even if Iran is successful in regaining former customers, and selling down its inventory, how quickly can its production be increased? The Iranian oil infrastructure has been neglected for years and Iran needs to rebuild it desperately. Fortunately, Western expertise in energy development is by far the most advanced, which will give Western interests a leg up on Chinese and Russian rivals. But Chinese cash and strategic support may prove decisive.

Reuters reports that, in the opinion of 25 economists and oil analysts, Iran could be able to increase its oil production by up to 500,000 barrels a day this year and reach 750,000 a day by mid-2016. This will add to a current global oversupply of some 2.6 million barrels a day.

Meanwhile, as the price of oil remains relatively depressed, production wells in the U.S. and other producing nations, planned and established when oil prices were much higher, are drifting off stream. Finally, there is increasing evidence that recession may be felt internationally, reducing at least the rate of growth of oil demand if not the absolute level of demand in some countries.

Today's oil market faces a global supply overhang and price weakness. Iran's new oil production and exportation is not likely to come on line for at least a year or two, provided the treaty is ratified. But when that oil does start to flow, the new supply could add to downward price pressures. However, the amounts are unlikely to greatly affect the totality of the global marketplace and by that time whatever inflationary effects there may be of continued monetary expansion in America and Europe should act as a stronger force pulling prices upward.

In total then, the return of Iran to the global energy market should have a beneficial effect on the global economy, both in pushing down prices and providing lucrative development work for oil companies around the world. However, the economic aspects of the deal are largely insignificant in comparison to the geopolitical ramifications.

President Obama's nuclear arms deal leaves open to debate whether Iran will become a nuclear power within the next decade, if not earlier. Unleashing a nuclear arms race in a highly unstable area of the world would render oil supplies sourced from there considerably less secure and unattractive, possibly even at lower prices, to consumer nations, including the 500 million strong EU.

The deal will also threaten the longstanding alliance between the United States and Saudi Arabia. The implicit arrangement between the two countries has always been that the Saudis would direct the lion's share of its oil exports to the United States in exchange for American support of regional Saudi security interests. Shiite dominated Iran has always been one of Sunni-led Saudi Arabia's top concerns. If the U.S. and Iran drift closer together, Saudi Arabia will surely seek other partners who are more supportive of its interests.

No one knows what such a Middle East will look like. But given the volatility of the region, change is unlikely to be pretty

John Browne is a Senior Economic Consultant to Euro Pacific Capital. Opinions expressed are those of the writer, and may or may not reflect those held by Euro Pacific Capital, or its CEO, Peter Schiff.

[Jul 27, 2015]Which is more likely, $33 or $75 oil

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/more-likely-33-75-oil-130102167.html

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[Jul 27, 2015] 185 Billion Reasons Why The US Agreed To Nuclear Deal With Iran

"...Iran's energy supplies also devalue the energy exports from Russia. It's all part of Obama's full spectrum war against Putin."
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"...There are so many factions vying for power, many with ulterior motives, who are forming counter intuitive alliances based on "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" strategies. The whole shit show has become so convoluted that at this point we (the west) might as well air drop weapons to all inhabitants, then step back and watch the fireworks. Better yet, we could mind our own business, and take care of problems here on the home front. It seems like the linked picture is emblematic of world foreign policy."
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"...It was not long ago that media was abuzz with the fracking miracle, energy independence, USA the new Saudi Arabia etc. etc. What everyone failed to realize is all energy is not the same. Some is low cost to produce and transport, others are high cost, out at the margins of profitability. We know where Fracking stood on that scale. Not to mention Canadian Tar Mines, coming in at the top of production costs. Harper bet Canada's future on a total Tar Sands development policy. That investment is looking questionable. And I for one can find few if any new media coverage of North Dakota. Though they still produce in a desperate bid to keep meeting debt repayments. Their hedges are the only thing keeping companies alive at present."
Jul 27, 2015 | Zero Hedge
Many have questioned just why President Obama was so keen to get the Iran nuclear deal done - apparently with almost no real concessions - in the face of allies home and abroad deriding the agreement. Well, if one were so inclined, OilPrice.com explains that Iran's deputy oil minister for commerce and international affairs, Hossein Zamaninia, told Reuters that the country has already identified 50 oil and gas projects it will offer for bids - with the government pegging the value of these properties at $185 billion...

Submitted by Dave Forest via OilPrice.com,

Important news last week -- from a place that's quickly becoming the world's focus for high-impact oil and gas projects.

That's Iran. Where government officials said they are on the verge of revolutionizing the country's petroleum sector. Which could provide big profit opportunities for foreign investors.

Iran's deputy oil minister for commerce and international affairs, Hossein Zamaninia, told Reuters that the country has already identified 50 oil and gas projects it will offer for bids. With the government pegging the value of these properties at $185 billion.

And officials are hoping to get these fields licensed out soon. With Zamaninia saying that the government plans to offer all of the blocks over the next five years.

Perhaps most importantly, Iranian officials say they have designed a new petroleum contract structure for international investors. Which they are calling the "integrated petroleum contract" or IPC.

Officials said that the IPCs will last for a term of 20 to 25 years. A substantial improvement over the older, shorter-term contracts -- which have been a major stumbling point for the world's oil and gas companies.

Few other details on the IPC structure have yet been provided. But the government noted that the new contracts will address "some of the deficiencies of the old buyback contract".

Deputy Minister Zamaninia said that full details on the new contracts will be announced within the next two to three months. Along with specifics on the fields being offered by the government for bids.

Of course, all of this is predicated on the lifting of Western sanctions against Iran -- which is still not a certainty. But if and when the country does open for investment, it appears there will be substantial prizes to won. Watch for further announcements on projects and fiscal terms over the next few months.

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Billions of dollars for the firms that lobbyists represent can be one hell of a motivation to do a deal with the devil it seems...

JustObserving

Iran's energy supplies also devalue the energy exports from Russia. It's all part of Obama's full spectrum war against Putin.

JustObserving

Lot more energy becomes available as sanctions against Iran are lifted. So energy prices fall and it hurts Russia.
Russia and its oil are likely to be losers in Iran deal
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/07/16/russian-and-its-oil-are-likely-to-be-lose...


Billy the Poet

"Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations-entangling alliances with none." -- Jefferson

Fahque Imuhnutjahb

There are so many factions vying for power, many with ulterior motives, who are forming counter intuitive alliances based on "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" strategies. The whole shit show has become so convoluted that at this point we (the west) might as well air drop weapons to all inhabitants, then step back and watch the fireworks. Better yet, we could mind our own business, and take care of problems here on the home front. It seems like the linked picture is emblematic of world foreign policy.

http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/backwardgImage1.jpg

Billy the Poet

we (the west) might as well air drop weapons to all inhabitants, then step back and watch the fireworks.

That's called American history, 1945-2015.

Fahque Imuhnutjahb

Agreed, but it seems we used to at least make the pretense of choosing sides, hell now it's a damn free for all, literally free arms for all. It's no damn wonder 2.3 trillion of tax dollars fell down the rabbit hole, and we,

the damn taxpayers didn't even get offered any rabbit stew.

insanelysane

It's easier to go to war with someone that you have a treaty with because breaking the treaty is a slam dunk justification. No one cared what was really in the treaty as long as Iran agreed to the treaty because they know Iran will break it.

roadhazard

uh, Russia was in on the deal. You mean they fucked themselves.

CrazyCooter

Or maybe in three to five years when that huge frack ramp has run its couse and the US mean reverts to its production trend line the additional global supply coming online around that time will be sorely needed.

Don't forget one of the largest oil fields in the world is in Iran ... and it was discovered in the 80s. Saudis big field was discovered in the 40s.

If the game is going to continue, it has to have oil - and they can't print that.

Regards,

Cooter

Winston Churchill

Iran could'nt become a full SCO member with sanctions on.

None of that money,which is theirs anyway, will be going to US companies.

You can bet the farm on that.


Colonel Klink

Just goes to further prove how our politican's sell out to corporations. That's called Fascism!

Billy the Poet

Isn't it better to trade for energy than to bomb for freedom? Each scenario can be seen as supporting corporations but assuming that the corporatist paradigm is presently inescapable which corporations would you rather see prevail?

greenskeeper carl

Say what you will about the deal, but aside from all the noise, anything that avoids another war that kills a few thousand more Americans, a few hundred thousands innocent civilians, and racks up another 2-4 trillion in debt is a good thing.

Who knows, maybe those lobbyists not wanting to get their investments nationalized by the Iranian govt(which would happen in the event of a conflict) will exert more influence on whatever stooge occupies the White House than the regular neocon cheerleaders constantly looking for a new war.

Probably not , but one can hope.

roadhazard

But it's an OBAMA deal so fuck all that saving lives crap. BushCo would have hung another banner and the repubicans would cheer.

FreeMoney

There was no need for deal to made at all. Iran's oil can sit in the ground un used and unsold, while the West continued to block trade with the Mullahs. I think the Mullahs were loosing power over the prople slowly drip by drip.

No we have eliminated barriers to Iran going NUC, are dropping import and export sanctions against a regeme that calls for our destruction daily, and next we are going to give them billions of dollars for their oil so they can buy or develope weapons to use against us.

Without question, this is the stupidest course of action we could take for America.

Billy the Poet -> FreeMoney

No we have eliminated barriers to Iran going NUC

Cite the specifics or shut the fuck up. Iran was already a signatory to the NNPT which barred them from developing nuclear weapons and this treaty sets the bar even higher.

DutchBoy2015 -> FreeMoney

Stop with your stupid goddam LIES.

Iran never threatened the USA , you fucking MORON. You believe bullshit.

A group of 30 paid agents screaming ''Death to America'' does NOT a revolution make.

I bet you have never been to Tehran. You just parrot the bullshit your lying ZioNazis feed you.

Pathetic.

DutchBoy2015 -> FreeMoney

Morons like you don't have a fucking clue about the real world. YOu support despotic regimes like Saudi where women can't drive, and they behead people daily , and have actually asked Pakistan for nukes.

monoloco

So many logical fallacies there I don't know where to start. For one, what would be the motive to "buy or develop weapons to use against us" ? If the sanctions are lifted and they are participating in the world's economy by selling oil on the open market, it would be completely counter-productive to attack a country that could totally destroy the economy that lifting the sanctions enabled. But don't let logic or facts get in the way of pushing the Zionist/corporate agenda.

Babaloo

There is so much wrong with this post it almost defies belief. Let's start with this quote: "...in the face of allies home and abroad deriding the agreement." How can the writer seriously expect sentient humans to believe this? Our "allies" England, France, Germany, as well as non-allies, China and Russia were signatories to the deal! If by "allies" we're saying Israel, well, that's a whole different set of "allies" isn't it?

ajkreider

This is brilliant stuff. Obama is such a darling of the oil services industry. Is Cheney still VP?

$185 billion is chump change, and the U.S. isn't getting that anyway.

Do the people who write this garbage have paying jobs?

DutchBoy2015

German and French company CEOs are already in Tehran making deals. Not oil companies but companies like Bosch,AEG, Stihl, Miele etc.

Iranians use washing machines, power tools etc etc also.

Everything in my home is German or Korean. NOT one USA product because they don't make anything but weapons and burgers anymore.

assistedliving

185 Billion Reasons
You got a problem with that?

I lived in Iran awhile back. Imo, best place in entire Near East except maybe Lebanon. Only Iran far richer, culturally and every other way except maybe cuisine.

Jack Burton

How do you say "American frackers are dead, and several hundred thousand jobs will die." already identified 50 oil and gas projects it will offer for bids - with the government pegging the value of these properties at $185 billion...

It was not long ago that media was abuzz with the fracking miracle, energy independence, USA the new Saudi Arabia etc. etc. What everyone failed to realize is all energy is not the same. Some is low cost to produce and transport, others are high cost, out at the margines of profitability. We know where Fracking stood on that scale. Not to mention Canadian Tar Mines, coming in at the top of production costs. Harper bet Canada's future on a total Tar Sands development policy. That investment is looking questionable. And I for one can find few if any new media coverage of North Dakota. Though they still produce in a deperate bid to keep meeting debt repayments. Their hedges are the only thing keeping companies alive at present.

smacker

OK. Obola bends over for Big Oil and gets his kicks by stuffing the US workforce that will go to Iran full of CIA spies.

[Jul 24, 2015]Ukrainian politician Tatiana Montyan interview: All sides of the conflict suck (article + video)

"...Attitude of the population to the government is clear: the Prime Minister's approval rating isn't just the size of a molehill - a molehill compared to his rating is Mount Everest. The "Narodny Front" party is going down in flames, and they are stealing as much as they can while they still can. "
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"...So, for the sake of American ambitions, EU bit itself in the penis."
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"...Ever since last November the wartime economics has taken hold of Ukraine. If a country goes on wartime economy even for a couple months, it takes hold – and it's like a hard drug addiction, an addict can only be saved by chaining him to a lamppost and not giving him any drugs. The first time I went to East Ukraine, our bus, which was packed with poor locals that took a day to make the trip that used to take mere hours, was stopped and extensively searched by both sides, 6 or 7 times. But through the windows we could see columns of semi-trucks going through both UAF and NAF checkpoints without any delays."
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"...< But the fun thing is that> all the nationalists were screaming "Glory to Ukraine", "Ukraine for Ukrainians", and now we have Georgians, <Americans and Latvians> in top government positions. They even no longer have a law that a government official has to speak Ukrainian in official capacity. "
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"...<It takes about $10,000 per semi truck to get through the "blockade" > - it depends on the price of the goods in the truck . For example, I heard that to be allowed to control a checkpoint you have to pay the military bosses a million dollars a month. So if you pay a million dollars just to stand at the checkpoint, you can imagine how much people are making. As for who physically controls those checkpoints - it's not clear. When I was getting out of the DPR, with a smuggler, we were driving through a rural checkpoint and I'm not even sure which side it was on, but there was a guy who lives in Kiev in my neighborhood, he even recognized me and let me through without paying. So I have no idea who manages those things - I told you, in the morning it could be one set of guys, and in the evening somebody can come up, kill them and take over the checkpoint. I don't exclude the possibility that at some checkpoints it can even happen more than once per day. You know how they say - "In the bad part of Kiev, an iPhone can change hands several times a day, and outlive a quite few owners". That's how it is. "
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"...And the people are being conscripted, sixth wave of it already - people being caught literally on the city buses, students are caught in universities... People are running away - I was asked what is the journalist Kotsaba is in jail for - he's there for protesting illegal forced conscription, because he was protesting against the government grabbing all those people, stealing the food they are supposed to get, stealing the ammo and weapons they are supposed to have and selling them to the DPR and LPR... And the people obviously have realized all this by now, and have no desire to die in some encirclement to fill the oligarch's wallets. "

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Interviewer:

Almost a year and a half after the coup in Kiev, a lot of details have already come to light, so what do you think were the aims of the people who engineered it and people who carried it out? Go as high up the ladder as you can.

Montyan:

< Major oligarch> Firtash already said everything, completely cynically and honestly, under oath in a court in Vienna:

Of course, there was a group of oligarchs that wanted the EuroAssociation to be signed for their commercial interests. But the greedy and stupid Europeans gave completely unacceptable economic conditions - and Putin offered Yanukovich a ton of money for free, so Yanik changed his mind. The oligarchs decided "we need to do something about this", and it started...

Maybe they didn't to want to destroy the country quite so much, but then Americans joined in with Nuland's cookies, McCain and the whole circus - as always, they thought fighting a proxy war with Russia to the last Ukrainian is a splendid idea!

Putin was also completely happy to fight Americans - and also to show the entire world that Ukrainians are completely unable of running a country, that Ukraine is a totally "failed state". And of course, compared to our idiot usurpers, even Putin and his bunch of crooks can be made to look like extremely competent managers. Not to mention that our current president can be controlled through his factory in Lipetsk, Russia.

So everybody's happy - Putin even recognized Poroshenko as the legitimate president - even though he didn't have to, <Poroshneko is unconstitutional>, but he did because it's beneficial to him. Not to mention Crimea, which was given up for two and half billion < cash>, as we now know.

So now Crimea is being dismantled**, similar to what Americans did to Latvia - they turned that country into a border checkpoint, and Putin will turn Crimea into a military base.

I think that all these pointless Ukrainian checkpoints at the entrance are intentional, because they block traffic, they block tourists, and core of Crimean economy was random tourists - because the people who come there on organized tours don't spend money in local economy and they don't buy local food, they have everything included in the resorts. So the plan is very simple, especially since the Crimean channel bringing water for agriculture has been blocked by our government. The Tatars will probably leave to Turkey, because all the businesses, restaurants and all that stuff aren't going to be viable anymore. The retired will slowly die out naturally. So what will be left are shipbuilding facilities, the big resorts which now look cute and have really been restored - unlike Ukraine that has never invested local infrastructure - so it will be much like what America did with the Baltics, where for example in Latvia only the center of Riga is still buzzing, the rest is completely dead, and the schoolchildren leave abroad as entire classes the moment they graduate.

So everybody's happy, except Ukrainians.

Well, and most Europeans are starting to ask questions - "Why do we need this?". Officially, they lost a hundred billion due to sanctions, really, much more, and Russians are laughing at them - "Okay, Spaniards, we make our own ham now, where you going to sell yours?". And of course, the worse the situation Ukraine gets, the sooner crowds of our criminals will start running across the border to EU, and what are they gonna do with em? So, for the sake of American ambitions, EU bit itself in the penis. And I think they deserve everything their greed has caused - if they gave us even somewhat acceptable deal, Yanik might have taken it.

So I don't think what happened has been really planned by anybody. The process has gone completely out of control from the very beginning - because you can't start a fire in your common home! You never know what's going to catch fire first! It's dumb to start chopping down a tree that you are all sitting on! But turns out we had plenty of degenerates who thought that they won't get hurt when the country goes down. So oligarchs have devalued their own factories, and their own country.

And the main beneficiary is China! Because America forced Russia into China's arms. And I think China will eventually engulf and assimilate Russia now.

By the way, last April, "Xinhua" - the official press agency of the Republic of China, has voiced the opinion of the Chinese Communist Party on the issue. It says, roughly : "America and Europe have destroyed the Ukrainian state and plunged the country into civil war. Of course, they will not help Ukrainians fix the mess caused by their meddling, because they are bankrupt both financially and morally. Their "democracy" is only empty talk, and in practice all the "progressive" attempts to export it lead to untold human suffering." The Chinese already said this over a year ago.

= On Russian government

<interesting part so moved to top; others are more or less in order>
Interviewer: The Russian government it doesn't seem to be very homogeneous, not as much as people think. Do you see, in Russian government, some forces that are benevolent?

Montyan:
I know some people who are reasonable, but I won't say their names, because they're waiting until Putin would naturally die or get pushed away from power. They think it's easier to let Putin and his gang steal for ten more years than to destroy the country like we did in the Maidan. And they're completely right.


=About the change of heart in Ukrainian society:


The attitude in society is changing, even the most brainwashed now understand that there is something wrong with this war. Fewer and fewer people are willing to go volunteer - to die and get eaten by dogs in some encirclement. Fewer and fewer people donate money and food to private organizations supplying the Army. And of course, things like the Military Prosecutor General talking live on air above the police battalions raping and killing people in the warzone does not encourage people to go join <the good fight>. Basically, people that didn't understand it with their brains finally started understanding it through their empty wallets and empty fridges.

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Ever since last November the wartime economics has taken hold of Ukraine. If a country goes on wartime economy even for a couple months, it takes hold – and it's like a hard drug addiction, an addict can only be saved by chaining him to a lamppost and not giving him any drugs. The first time I went to East Ukraine, our bus, which was packed with poor locals that took a day to make the trip that used to take mere hours, was stopped and extensively searched by both sides, 6 or 7 times. But through the windows we could see columns of semi-trucks going through both UAF and NAF checkpoints without any delays.

So that was complete "proof in the pudding" for me that this war is a sham. This is "wartime economy" will continue until both sides run out of people who still believe that they are fighting for a cause, and not for their bosses wallets.

Attitude of the population to the government is clear: the Prime Minister's approval rating isn't just the size of a molehill - a molehill compared to his rating is Mount Everest. The "Narodny Front" party is going down in flames, and they are stealing as much as they can while they still can.

Journalist Boyko recently described very nicely how the Police Minister Avakov and Co. set fire to that oil depot by Kiev in order to take over the poor gas station chain - and by the way, the idiot Head of State Security Nalivaichenko has accused the Prosecutor General even though the Prosecutor General's men were actually trying to save that chain.

Not because of any respect for the law, of course, but because of their own financial interests, but anyway. So the head of State Security has spoken against the Prosecutor General, made it clear to everybody that he is completely retarded, so they voted in the Parliament to remove him. Moreover, some people even managed to get something for voting – for example, <head of Samopomosh' fraction> Sadovoi, who supposedly has bargained for a permission to put his men as the head of the local customs service and the Prosecutor's office. So in general, that's how it is.

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= On Ukrainian politics

Interviewer:
So the current Ukrainian regime has two large groups centered around the Prime Minister and the president…

Montyan:
They aren't really "centered" - those crooks don't have friends, they have interests. Groups are constantly rearranged based on who managed to screw over whom, and everybody's planning to screw over each other all the time. For example, Firtash decided to blab his mouth in an Austrian court, and the President decided that's enough to kick Firtash's people out of government - because they had an agreement not to talk about the agreement they had. <Nalivaichenko was one of these men. Also he was fired for snitching to Americans about corruption in the President's faction>. The next rearrangement is going to happen after the elections...

= On Jewish domination of Ukrainian government, media and business

Interviewer:
In the Ukraine currently, the government, business, mass media - it's all dominated by Jewish people, and not the nicest representatives of that ethnicity. And they are less than 1% of the total population. What do you think of this disproportional representation?

Montyan:

I have nothing against Jews, nothing at all. I don't think I'm dumber than them. It's an old quote, attributed to Churchill - "Why aren't Englishmen anti-Semitic? They do not consider themselves to be dumber than the Jews".

Also, the Jews themselves don't think Poroshenko and all those other guys are Jews - they consider them a-holes, Yid traitors, etc. Read what our prominent Jewish people are writing.

Yes, of course, a nation that for many years - millennia, even, needed to develop their brains and their solidarity, of course that's an advantage. But if anybody thinks that Jews are any different from other ethnicity - they are much the same. Look at Israel - they have much the same disagreements that we have over here. So, in Ukraine, they have better education,have their social capital, so that's what happens - < they get to the top>. This isn't because somebody's naturally superior or inferior, it is not good or bad, that's just how it is.

< But the fun thing is that> all the nationalists were screaming "Glory to Ukraine", "Ukraine for Ukrainians", and now we have Georgians, <Americans and Latvians> in top government positions. They even no longer have a law that a government official has to speak Ukrainian in official capacity.

= On the reasons for Donbass rebellion, the current situation, and the huge difference between DPR/LPR

I think the situation in Donbass was initially fueled by the local oligarchs to blackmail the Kiev government, saying –"If you pressure us, we will split". And Russia immediately thought - "How awesome and very convenient!"

By now, Plotnickiy is controlled from Russia, and I think Zaharchenko as well. DPR and LPR are similar in that respect – although they are completely different types of government, there are now checkpoints and customs between them, so they are two very different republics that are not administratively connected. You know, Donetsk always considered Lugansk their inferior younger brothers.

The situation in the DPR is much more organized - back in April 4th, that was the point where all the non-organized armed bands had to either disband or integrate into the DPR Army. After that all the bands were forcibly disarmed, those caught on rapes, robberies, drug dealing etc. were sent to remove minefields where most of them died, or shot on the spot. In the LPR, the situation is much different - the territories controlled by various bands are still present. For example, Mozgovoi has been killed, but his group still controls territory, there are other groups like Dremov, <Kozityn's men>, etc. Plotnickiy is mostly sitting in Lugansk, being accused of stealing humanitarian aid. And that's how LPR exists.

Russia helps both republics to survive, of course, <with aid and currency>. So the situation is frozen for now. People are making a ton of money on various checkpoints, there is a whole smuggling business all around there, so you can get into the DPR and LPR without any ID because there are "stalkers" who know how to get through the minefields, know how to get around checkpoints. The large checkpoints make money on large convoys, and there are tons of small checkpoints on country roads that are controlled by anybody who can. There are even horror stories of a car coming up to a rural checkpoint, "peasants" getting out, killing everyone and taking over the checkpoint, and taking bribes instead of those killed. So that's how they live. As I said, wartime economy will not stop by itself, just like a drug addict will not stop taking drugs, so it can only be stopped by USA, Russia or Europe, but they don't want to do it for now.

Interviewer:

Do you consider the national elites the organizers, the oligarchs?

Montyan:

How can you consider our oligarchs to be independent? Of course they are controlled from abroad, much like the DPR/LPR government controlled by Russia. It's a fight between Russia and US to the last Ukrainian.

Interviewer:

Why do you think Donetsk and Lugansk have not unified all the past year?

Montyan:

I say again - those are completely different entities ruled by a completely different people with completely different interests. I'd been to both - they are different countries, different continents even. The people are wrong to confuse them, there is nothing in common in any way. Both are controlled by Moscow, but the situation is different ... there is even a different mentality. In DPR - they got centralized, very quickly organized, exterminated or exiled those who could not be controlled, and in LPR all that is still going on.

Interviewer:

So how "People's" are the People's Republics of Donetsk and Lugansk?

Montyan:

Somewhat more "People's" than here, that's actually true.

They got rid of some of the oligarchs - actually the only big one left is Ahmetov, and they also make him pay up. In the DPR , I was talking on the Oplot TV channel that they took from Ahmetov, I was given a ride by a their minister on a car they took from the oligarch Kluev, and they told me they took the Starobeshevo Power Plant from Yanukovich - as a result they pay half the price for electricity that we do!

And the funniest thing is that I'm being accused of riding in the car taken from an oligarch, by the same people who took over Yanukovich's house and Pshonka's properties in Kiev! Do these people think at all?

Interviewer:

Do the governments of the People's republics and the Kiev government work together?

Montyan:

Of course! They are just stealing whatever they can. By now, everybody talks about giant cargo shipments going between DPR and LPR and Kiev, while people are fighting each other the frontlines. Of course, this is impossible without the governments on both sides being complicit - I do not quite know who specifically is involved, I doubt we'll ever find out, but it's clear they work together because otherwise they wouldn't be making such huge shipments.

<It takes about $10,000 per semi truck to get through the "blockade" > - it depends on the price of the goods in the truck . For example, I heard that to be allowed to control a checkpoint you have to pay the military bosses a million dollars a month. So if you pay a million dollars just to stand at the checkpoint, you can imagine how much people are making. As for who physically controls those checkpoints - it's not clear. When I was getting out of the DPR, with a smuggler, we were driving through a rural checkpoint and I'm not even sure which side it was on, but there was a guy who lives in Kiev in my neighborhood, he even recognized me and let me through without paying. So I have no idea who manages those things - I told you, in the morning it could be one set of guys, and in the evening somebody can come up, kill them and take over the checkpoint. I don't exclude the possibility that at some checkpoints it can even happen more than once per day. You know how they say - "In the bad part of Kiev, an iPhone can change hands several times a day, and outlive a quite few owners". That's how it is.

= About Mozgovoi and his murder:

He was a non-typical commander. He was charismatic, played a local Che Guevara, really tried to pass justice in the area he controlled... He was confiscating drugs by the pound and burning them on the central square of Alchevsk. He personally came to resolve conflicts - almost down to family squabbles. He was playing Robin Hood, and people loved him. This is shown by the number of people who came to his funeral - the people now saying bad things about him, I don't think such a number of people would even bother coming to spit on their graves if they die.

But Mozgovoi was very inexperienced at running a city, and running any sort of government, really. The maximum he could do is deliver humanitarian aid, organized by him for the population. He had four free canteens running for the people. When I was there, he was arguing with the Russian customs because they weren't letting through food, and he was shouting - what will I feed my soldiers, my civilians, children in our kindergartens... He didn't much care for the elections or stuff like that - non-typical.

Anybody could have killed him - from local drug dealers for burning all the drugs, to anybody else, he did not fit in there and did not have powerful backers. There is only one road there - plant an EID, sit and wait for him to come. And that's that's how it happened. As far as Moscow's backing, he was due to go there, but did not make it in time.

= About future plans of the oligarchs and direction of the country:

I have no idea what the oligarchs think. I don't think they think far - the are just stealing what they can, while they can.

And the people are being conscripted, sixth wave of it already - people being caught literally on the city buses, students are caught in universities... People are running away - I was asked what is the journalist Kotsaba is in jail for - he's there for protesting illegal forced conscription, because he was protesting against the government grabbing all those people, stealing the food they are supposed to get, stealing the ammo and weapons they are supposed to have and selling them to the DPR and LPR... And the people obviously have realized all this by now, and have no desire to die in some encirclement to fill the oligarch's wallets.

So obviously conscription isn't going very well - people understood that they are being basically used as cattle for slaughter.

Interviewer: If Donbass completely leaves Ukraine, and after Crimea, could that trigger a process like in Yugoslavia, could Ukraine split into several fragments?

Montyan: Where will Donbass go? Russia clearly stated they don't want Donbass.

How will DPR, LPR survive independently? I have no idea. As unrecognized states? Kiev under the control of the nationalists, and DPR and LPR by themselves - they are not capable of surviving. They will slowly rot, the fabric of the state would keep on failing and degrading further, so without external interference, without some reformatting, this situation cannot be resolved. This situation cannot be solved from the inside - by people inside the cage. Only the people who set it up can stop it, and for now they have no desire to do so.

= On fixing the mess:

Fixing the country is not that hard, and wouldn't take that long, but for now, nobody wants it. I could fix it in a couple years, probably. The mechanisms are commonly known, they had been used successfully multiple times - as long as you have the desire to do it, it's not hard. But nobody wants to do it! The elite needs to be at least minimally interested in not just robbing the country for its resources, but thinking about the future. For now, the people who are getting to the top are those looters from the checkpoints - because, for now, that's the most profitable business. When it becomes less profitable, then things may change - that's basic economics. In Ukraine, we can see how capital takes over the people and the state, the judiciary, the executive... All the branches of government and all the the state-owned corporations are being taken over by oligarchs, . Now they're talking about actually handing over the Customs Service to a private corporation. Thus, state monopolies are being replaced by oligarch monopolies.

District governments are a sham, local governments are a sham - because every "state-owned" local government service is actually being controlled by specific people who get money.

When there's no open mechanisms showing where the money comes into the state and how it gets out, then the game turns into "King of the Hill" - whoever climbs to the top steals as much as he can before he gets kicked off, then he runs away to another country with the stolen money and laughs those he left behind.

= On Russian government (originally here, moved to top)


= On demonizing Putin:

Putin is just some guy. What's the difference who is the talking head at the top? He's just a <product of a system>. Here, Poroshenko is already the exact same thing as Yanukovich, exactly. There are cartoons - you take Yanukovich, curl his hair, you get Poroshenko!

It doesn't matter who "Putin" is, doesn't matter what the name is. They are determined by what the country is. Don't like Yanukovich? Look in the mirror.

The president is the same as the country, as the people. I ask them - you don't like Yanukovich? Is it him putting trash in your yard? Are the oligarchs making penis drawings all over your elevator? Which government official urinated by your door? It is done by the population, by you, and because you are like that - Yanukovich is like that. It's like that in every country.

If you don't find any compassion for journalists who are put in jail just for voicing their opinion, why do you ask for justice for yourself? If you are ready to throw homemade grenades at police, why do you think cops should not beat you up? That's so weird - <those people don't understand> that justice has to be for everybody, not just "justice for us and injustice for our enemies".

= On civilians suffering in Donbass and Russian army:

What do you mean I don't talk about civilians in warzone? I pity all civilians in the warzone, because they being shot at by all sides. They are stuck there, in this zone of chaos, they're being screwed over by everybody.

I do have to say people don't believe me, <and that's scary>.

When I came back from my first trip to the East, I told them Ukrainian Army nearly killed me at the Alchevsk cemetery, but people tell me "It's Mozgovoi". He was standing right next to me!

"Then it's Dremov" - he was on the phone telling us to run!

"Then it's Kozitsyn" - he was in a complete different direction, look at the maps! Still, nobody believes me.

In the end, after I showed pictures of all the gravestones damaged with shrapnel and maps of the area, some did... But people were really convinced <separatists are shelling themselves>.

But yes, both sides are shooting. Armies don't much care for civilians. In Lugansk, for example, UAF were standing at the Metallist and shelling the city with unguided rockets - I was where they landed, even visited local businessman Aleksandr Nigoves, found Grad pieces by his destroyed house, there's plenty of videos and all... Eventually UAF hit something - either in Russia, or right on the border, so Russian Army came in through Izvarino and crushed them, went through the positions <UAF set up in towns> Khryaschevatoe and Novosvetlovka, and wiped them off the face of the earth. Chased the UAF into an encirclement, and left 5 days later. In Novosvetlovka, 300 out of 600 houses are destroyed, around 600 locals perished.

And who are the good guys here? That's how it is. That's war. It doesn't have a good and a bad side - it's murder, horror and suffering.

Inteviewer:

Do you think something similar could happen in Kiev?

Montyan:

How can I know what's going to happen in this madhouse? What goes through the sick mind of some heavily armed idiots somewhere? Anything can happen.
In the near future, more people will come back from a from the warzone and join street gangs, especially when the standard of living goes down. Even now, they are shooting cops with AKs to rob a gas station for $40, what's going to happen next?


= About "de-Sovietization" law:

Yes, they have nothing better to do than rename everything. Let's destroy the factories and highways, because the damn communists built them.

Everything we see here, everything in Ukraine, was built by the Soviet Union. And a lot of it is on the edge of the physical collapse. 70 to 90% of infrastructure - various sewerage, heating, power lines - they're starting to fall down. Since "independence", they were patched up when they failed, but no investments in replacement or renewal. And when the communist-built houses start falling down - that's going to be real hell... But for now, the <dark Soviet legacy> still stands.


= About role of history in politics:

I'm completely amazed by the people who let the past affect their present and future. History is for historians, for professional historians! I would personally prohibit using history in propaganda - because history already happened, <it's over and done with>! The historical figures being put on the posters that marchers run with - those people are gone! They lived their lives, in their conditions, and bringing them into the present is completely retarded!

Live your own lives, here and now, and don't try to use historical figures in your propaganda - because the vast majority of those historical figures, if you met them face to face, would chop off your head as soon as you started spouting your drivel!


= About the nature of a "nation":

Interviewer:
Russian, Ukrainian and Belarusian nations - is it one nation that's been divided, or no?

Montyan:

No. I don't think a nation exists as a separate entity. For me, an African from Papua New Guinea who believes in civil rights is closer than nationalist extremists beating people in Kiev. I refuse to think I'm part of the same nation as them, and they probably don't think I'm part of "their" nation either.

But that said, we can live in the same country, as long as it has laws and they do not have the right to attack people. They can have their views, if they don't have the capacity to make their sick fantasies a reality. As long as we have a decent civil and criminal law, and have the capability to punish those who violate it, that's all we need for people to coexist.

Take Jews - they are so different! Some of them have gay parades in Jerusalem, run around in latex, and others walk around in complete black garb and pray constantly. And they live together in the same country, don't kill each other, because they have decent civil law, all the questions had been solved, each millimeter of land has a clear established owner, and there's nothing to argue about. They can talk about their views on TV and newspapers but that's it.

= On Ukrainian sovereignty:

What kind of sovereignty are you even talking about? Ukraine's territory is broken into pieces controlled by various foreign powers. <The "revolution" only made it worse>: if you break apart a crappy shed, you will only be able to build several smaller and crappier sheds out of the fragments. So now they built Kiev shed, DPR and LPR sheds in place of what once was a decent country.

VIDEO (English voiceover)



< I recommend clicking the gear symbol on the bottom-right of the video and increasing playback speed to 1.5x, that will save you 30 minutes and is completely understandable).


Previous video with Montyan:


Notes:
*Take our recent darling Shilova, for example - she managed to get involved with both Yanukovich's corruption and Lyashko's radicals before becoming a "separatist", not to mention being a member of half a dozen political parties before. Of course, she could have an honest change of heart _this_time_... but that's what she must have said many times before.

** About Montyan's points on Crimea: Crimea saw over twice the amount of airport traffic this year compared with the last, so the economy is gaining traction. Yes, I bet the economy still suffers overall with the peninsula being in a complete blockade by Ukraine (not only people and goods but also water and often power), and only joined to Russia by a ferry. Still, "littlehirosima" is currently in Crimea and tells me life is good there for now. And once a bridge gets built, or nationalists get chased out of Kiev, it should get a lot better.

*** "Homemade firecracker grenades" - Ukraine has no laws against selling extremely powerful firecrackers. They are almost at hand grenade level, and can definitely kill or maim, especially with nails&bolts taped as fragments. Here's a video of such a "big firecracker" shredding a toilet (common pastime in East Europe, heh). The firecracker is actually far from the biggest one, but the video is just hilarious:


**** I cut out the part of the big video where Montyan talks about gay rights because, first of all, it has nothing to do with the Novorossiya war or Ukrainian politics, and second, because her genetics arguments are wrong, although she may be right about human rights aspect.

[Jul 24, 2015] Ron Paul Iran Agreement Boosts Peace, Defeats Neocons

"...I was so impressed when travel personality Rick Steves traveled to Iran in 2009 to show that the US media and government demonization of Iranians was a lie, and that travel and human contact can help defeat the warmongers because it humanizes those who are supposed to be dehumanized."
Jul 20, 2015 | ronpaul.com

The agreement has reduced the chance of a US attack on Iran, which is a great development. But the interventionists will not give up so easily. Already they are organizing media and lobbying efforts to defeat the agreement in Congress. Will they have enough votes to over-ride a presidential veto of their rejection of the deal? It is unlikely, but at this point if the neocons can force the US out of the deal it may not make much difference. Which of our allies, who are now facing the prospect of mutually-beneficial trade with Iran, will be enthusiastic about going back to the days of a trade embargo? Which will support an attack on an Iran that has proven to be an important trading partner and has also proven reasonable in allowing intrusive inspections of its nuclear energy program?

However, what is most important about this agreement is not that US government officials have conducted talks with Iranian government officials. It is that the elimination of sanctions, which are an act of war, will open up opportunities for trade with Iran. Government-to-government relations are one thing, but real diplomacy is people-to-people: business ventures, tourism, and student exchanges.

I was so impressed when travel personality Rick Steves traveled to Iran in 2009 to show that the US media and government demonization of Iranians was a lie, and that travel and human contact can help defeat the warmongers because it humanizes those who are supposed to be dehumanized.

As I write in my new book, Swords into Plowshares:

Our unwise policy with Iran is a perfect example of what the interventionists have given us-60 years of needless conflict and fear for no justifiable reason. This obsession with Iran is bewildering. If the people knew the truth, they would strongly favor a different way to interact with Iran.

Let's not forget that the Iran crisis started not 31 years ago when the Iran Sanctions Act was signed into law, not 35 years ago when Iranians overthrew the US-installed Shah, but rather 52 years ago when the US CIA overthrew the democratically-elected Iranian leader Mossadegh and put a brutal dictator into power. Our relations with the Iranians are marked by nearly six decades of blowback.

When the Cold War was winding down and the military-industrial complex needed a new enemy to justify enormous military spending, it was decided that Iran should be the latest "threat" to the US. That's when sanctions really picked up steam. But as we know from our own CIA National Intelligence Estimate of 2007, the stories about Iran building a nuclear weapon were all lies. Though those lies continue to be repeated to this day.

It is unfortunate that Iran was forced to give up some of its sovereignty to allow restrictions on a nuclear energy program that was never found to be in violation of the Non-Proliferation Treaty. But if the net result is the end of sanctions and at least a temporary reprieve from the constant neocon demands for attack, there is much to cheer in the agreement. Peace and prosperity arise from friendly relations and trade – and especially when governments get out of the way.

This column was published by the Ron Paul Institute.

[Jul 24, 2015]Peak Oil Review - July 23

I think much more the 23 billion is distressed. And this is by design...
"...More than $22 billion of the $235 billion of the debt owed by 62 North American oil companies, however, is "distressed" and unlikely to be paid back."
Jul 23, 2015 | resilience.org

As prices continue to fall, concerns are increasing on Wall Street as to the quality of their loans to unprofitable oil and gas companies. Many banks are starting to set aside money to cover bad loans which eat into banking industry profits. In recent years Wall Street has been the biggest ally of the "shale revolution" by allowing companies to exceed their debt limits time after time in hopes that they would someday turn profitable. With US oil prices now below $50 a barrel and unlikely to climb significantly during the next year or so, bankers are demanding that drillers reduce their credit lines and increase equity. In response US oil producers have raised some $44 billion by selling bonds and shares in the first half of this year. More than $22 billion of the $235 billion of the debt owed by 62 North American oil companies, however, is "distressed" and unlikely to be paid back.

The recent drop in oil prices is giving Moscow second thoughts about the economic recovery in 2016 that President Putin has been talking about. Russia will face recession or stagnation if oil trades near $50 a barrel next year. If oil is trading near $40 a barrel, Moscow is facing a 7 percent decline in its GDP next year.

[Jul 23, 2015] The Effect of New Production Methods on U.S Oil Output

The Effect of New Production Methods on U.S Oil Output

Tags: Bakken, fracking, oil production, oil shale, shale oil, WTI inShare

Since 2005, the "total oil supply" for the United States as reported by the Energy Information Administration increased by 2.2 million barrels per day. Of this, 1.3 mb/d, or 60%, has come from natural gas liquids and biofuels, which really shouldn't be added to conventional crude production for purposes of calculating the available supply. Of the 800,000 b/d increase in actual field production of crude oil, almost all of the gain has come from shale and other tight formations that horizontal fracturing methods have only recently opened up. Here I offer some thoughts on how these new production methods change the overall outlook for U.S. oil production.

Let me begin by clarifying that "shale oil" and "oil shale" refer to two completely different resources. "Oil shale" is in fact not shale and does not contain oil, but is instead a rock that at great monetary and environmental cost can yield organic compounds that could eventually be made into oil. Although some people have long been optimistic about the potential amount of energy available in U.S. oil-shale deposits, I personally am pessimistic that oil shale will ever be a significant energy source.

By contrast, the expression "shale oil", or the more accurate term "tight oil", is often used to refer to rock formations that do contain oil and that sometimes might actually be shale. The defining characteristic is that the rock is not sufficiently porose or permeable to allow oil to flow out if all you do is drill a hole into the formation. However, enterprising drillers have discovered that if you create fissures in the rock by injecting water (along with sand and some chemicals to facilitate the process) at high pressure along horizontal pipes through the formation, oil can seep back through the cracks and be extracted.

As seen in the figure above, these horizontal fracturing methods have been the main factor behind recent increases in U.S. field production. The key question is how much more growth we should expect. Leonardo Maugeri, senior manager for the Italian oil company Eni, and Senior Fellow at Harvard University, has a new paper in which he predicts that the U.S. could get an additional 4.17 million barrels per day from shale/tight oil plays by 2020, though he notes that any such predictions are problematic:

the huge differences in permeability, porosity, and thickness of a shale/tight oil formation require many more exploration wells be drilled in different areas of the field before making it possible to have an idea of the effective recoverability rate from the whole formation…. it is impossible to make any reasonable evaluation of the future production from a shale/tight oil formation based on the analysis of a few wells data and such limited activity.

To put the 4.17 mb/d number in perspective, total U.S. field production of crude oil in 2011 was 5.68 mb/d. If 4.17 mb/d could be added to that, it would almost put us back to where we were in 1970. Alternatively, 4.17 mb/d represents 22% of the 18.8 mb/d currently consumed by the U.S. and 4.7% of total world consumption.

Crude oil production (in millions of barrels per day) from entire United States, 1859-2011, with contributions from individual regions as indicated. Updated from Hamilton (2011)

Maugeri describes the assumptions under which he arrived at his estimate for the Bakken tight formation in North Dakota and Montana as follows:

  • A price of oil (WTI) equal to or greater than $70 per barrel through 2020;
  • A constant 200 drilling rigs per week;
  • An estimated ultimate recovery rate of 10 percent per individual producing well (which in most cases has already been exceeded) and for the overall formation;
  • [original oil in place comes to 300 billion barrels];
  • A combined average depletion rate for each producing well of 15 percent over the first five years, followed by a 7 percent depletion rate;
  • A level of porosity and permeability of the Bakken/Three Forks formation derived from those experienced so far by oil companies engaged in the area.

The above assumptions detail the total quantities that Maugeri estimates can eventually be extracted (a stock variable), but they clearly are not enough to calculate an annual production rate for the year 2020 (a flow variable) which is the key number Maugeri is reporting. His analysis also makes use of a proprietary database of results for existing wells. What he evidently did was to calculate average well completion rates and flow rates per well from that database and extrapolate those forward, though he does not tell the reader what were the actual summary averages that he used for this calculation nor indicate in what way the $70 assumed price enters the calculations. His paper really just seems to provide his own summary judgment as to what his private database implies rather than specifics that other analysts could use to evaluate or reproduce his claims.

I recently attended an excellent conference on oil market fundamentals, whose proceedings can be viewed online if your budget allows for a hefty registration fee. One of the presentations was by Morningstar analyst Jason Stevens, who estimated the 2015 potential U.S. tight crude oil production using two different approaches. The first approach, which Stevens called a "top-down" approach, was to "use best-in play curves and assume repeatability and similar results in emerging plays," which sounds identical to Maugeri's methodology, and indeed, Stevens' calculations used the identical 200 rigs per week assumption for Bakken as did Maugeri. But whereas Maugeri predicted we'd see 1.5 mb/d additional Bakken production by 2010, Stevens calculated that the area might only add 150,000 b/d or so by 2015. On the other hand, Stevens' calculations suggested about a 900,000 b/d gain for the Eagle Ford in Texas by 2015, compared with 1.47 mb/d anticipated by Maugeri for 2020.

Source: Jason Stevens, 2012 Symposium on Oil Supply and Demand.

Stevens also calculated a forecast using a second method that he described as "bottom up", which used specific production forecasts for 16 of the individual firms involved in these plays, and assumed that the fraction of each area's total production represented by these particular firms would stay constant. This bottom-up calculation leads to an expected additional flow by the particular firms studied of almost 1 mb/d by 2015, implying perhaps 3 mb/d combined production from all drillers in the plays. Thus Stevens' bottom line was similar to that of Maugeri's, although the specifics differ.

Source: Jason Stevens, 2012 Symposium on Oil Supply and Demand.

In addition to the uncertainties noted above about extrapolating historical production rates, the rate at which production declines from a given well over time is another big unknown. Another key point to recognize is the added cost of extracting oil from tight formations. West Texas Intermediate is currently around $85/barrel. With the huge discount for Canadian and north-central U.S. producers, that means that producers of North Dakota sweet are only offered $61 a barrel. Tight oil is not going to be the reason that we return to an era of cheap oil, for the simple reason that if oil again fell below $50/barrel, it wouldn't be profitable to produce with these methods. Nor is tight oil likely to get the U.S. back to the levels of field production that we saw in 1970. But tight oil will likely provide a source of significant new production over the next decade as long as the price does not fall too much.

It is a separate critical question how much additional production may come worldwide from other sources, and how far this new production will go toward offsetting declining production from existing mature fields. Maugeri is also quite optimistic about these issues as well. I hope to take up a discussion of these separate questions in a subsequent post.

This article originally appeared on Econbrowser.

[Jul 23, 2015]Bernard Baruch's 10 Rules of Investing

Posted February 17, 2013 by

You want someone to emulate?

Bernard Baruch (August 19, 1870 – June 20, 1965) was the son of a South Carolina physician whose family moved to New York City when he was eleven year old. By his mid-twenties, he is able to buy an $18,000 seat on the exchange with his winnings and commissions from being a broker. By age 30, he is a millionaire and is known all over The Street as "The Lone Wolf".

In his two-volume 1957 memoirs, My Own Story, Baruch left us with the following timeless rules for playing the game:

"Being so skeptical about the usefulness of advice, I have been reluctant to lay down any 'rules' or guidelines on how to invest or speculate wisely. Still, there are a number of things I have learned from my own experience which might be worth listing for those who are able to muster the necessary self-discipline:"

  1. Don't speculate unless you can make it a full-time job.
  2. Beware of barbers, beauticians, waiters - of anyone - bringing gifts of "inside" information or "tips."
  3. Before you buy a security, find out everything you can about the company, its management and competitors, its earnings and possibilities for growth.
  4. Don't try to buy at the bottom and sell at the top. This can't be done - except by liars.
  5. Learn how to take your losses quickly and cleanly.
  6. Don't expect to be right all the time. If you have made a mistake, cut your losses as quickly as possible.
  7. Don't buy too many different securities. Better have only a few investments which can be watched.. Don't try to be a jack of all investments. Stick to the field you know best.
  8. Make a periodic reappraisal of all your investments to see whether changing developments have altered their prospects.
  9. Study your tax position to know when you can sell to greatest advantage.
  10. Always keep a good part of your capital in a cash reserve. Never invest all your funds.10

Baruch would later go on from Wall Street to Washington DC as an advisor to both Woodrow Wilson and to FDR during World War II.

Later, he became known as the Park Bench Statesman, owing to his fondness for discussing policy and politics with his acquaintances outdoors.

He lived til a few days shy of his 95th birthday in 1965. You could do worse than to invest and live based on these simple truths.

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[Jul 23, 2015]Iran Deal Heads Toward Showdown With Adelson's GOP

Jul 15, 2015 | LobeLog

The Iran nuclear deal announced in Vienna yesterday means that the tough international negotiations between the P5+1 and Iran are finally over. But now attention shifts to the 60-day period during which Congress has the option of voting to approve or disapprove the agreement or doing nothing at all. A resolution of disapproval, as Obama most recently warned yesterday, will provoke a presidential veto. At that point, the question will be whether the opponents can muster the necessary two-thirds of members in both chambers of Congress to override, effectively killing by far the most promising development in U.S.-Iranian relations since the 1979 revolution.

This process not only represents a key test of Obama's ability to deliver his most significant foreign-policy achievement to date. It also sets up a major showdown between the GOP's single biggest donor, Sheldon Adelson, and the president of the United States.

Adelson is a big supporter of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and finances Israel's largest-circulation newspaper, Israel Hayom, often referred to as "Bibiton," or Bibi's paper. He makes no secret either of his hawkish views toward Iran or his animosity toward the Obama administration. Adelson has proposed launching a first-strike nuclear attack on Iran as a negotiating tactic and was treated as a guest of honor during Netanyahu's controversial speech before Congress last March. (A number of pundits speculated about Adelson's role in securing Netanyahu's invitation from Speaker John Boehner (R-OH).)

Adelson and the Republicans

The casino magnate, whose net wealth is estimated by Forbes at $29.4 billion, and his Israeli-born wife, Miriam Adelson, are heavily invested in the current GOP members of the House and Senate.

In the 2014 election cycle, Adelson was the biggest single donor to the Congressional Leadership Fund, a Super PAC closely tied to Boehner and dedicated to electing Republicans to the House, according to public filings. He contributed $5 million-or nearly 40%–of the Fund's $12.6 million in total contributions. Boehner's Super PAC's second largest contributor, and only other seven-figure donor, was Chevron. It contributed a mere $1 million.

The loyalty of Republican senators to the Las Vegas-based multi-billionaire may run even deeper. Sheldon and Miriam Adelson reportedly contributed up to $100 million to help the GOP retake the Senate last year.

Adelson's close relationship with Netanyahu is well documented, but his influence in Congress will soon be tested.

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) already pledged to Netanyahu that he would "follow your lead" before a January vote on the Kirk-Menendez sanctions legislation. Graham joked about having the "first all-Jewish Cabinet in America [if elected president] because of the pro-Israel funding," an apparent reference to the critical role played by campaign contributions by Adelson and other wealthy supporters of Israel-a number of whom are on the board of the Republican Jewish Coalition-in making or breaking Republican presidential candidacies. (The Adelsons' generosity in 2012 virtually singlehandedly kept alive the presidential candidacy of former Speaker Newt Gingrich, who told NBC that Israel's survival was "the central value of [Adelson's] life.")

Yesterday, Graham declared that the Iran deal was "akin to declaring war on Israel and the Sunni Arabs." Not to be outdone, other GOP candidates, most of whom, no doubt, are also seeking Adelson's endorsement and financial support, slammed the deal.

Jeb Bush, for instance, denounced the agreement as "appeasement." Having received a bitter complaint from Adelson, Bush had earlier distanced himself from his father's secretary of state after James Baker publicly criticized Netanyahu at a J Street conference earlier this year. Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL), reportedly an Adelson favorite, blasted the accord as "undermin[ing] our national security," while Gov. Scott Walker characterized it as "one of the biggest disasters of the Obama-Clinton doctrine." And Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) described it as "a fundamental betrayal of the security of the United States and of our closest allies, first and foremost Israel."

All of these candidates may, of course, truly believe what they are saying (no doubt having personally studied the 100-plus-page agreement in detail). But Adelson's largesse may also have played a role in their summary rejections of a deal that has been negotiated over more than three years and that has been endorsed by Washington's most important NATO allies, not to mention the overwhelming majority of recognized U.S. non-proliferation, nuclear policy, Iran, and national security experts.

GOP Reservations about Adelson

But other Republicans, including those who don't necessarily harbor the national ambitions that require raising tens of millions of dollars from wealthy donors, may feel some reservations about the growing influence Adelson exercises over their party's leadership. Indeed, a closer look at Adelson, beginning with the way his gambling interests may not precisely align with the values of the party's social conservatives, suggests a degree of disconnect between the man and a core Republican constituency.

Adelson's interests in China, which many Republicans believe poses the greatest long-term threat to U.S. national security, may also be cause for concern. After all, in order to run his highly profitable Macau-based casinos, Adelson would presumably require some friendly relations, or guanxi, with the Communist government in Beijing. Indeed, reports that Adelson played a key role-at the personal behest of Beijing's mayor-in scuttling a proposed House resolution opposing China's bid to host the 2008 Summer Olympics on human-rights grounds should give pause to some elements in the party, including both China hawks and neoconservatives who profess a devotion to democracy. The fact that Adelson also faces accusations of ties to Chinese organized crime groups at his Macau properties and that a former Sands executive charged him with personally approving a "prostitution strategy" at his properties should raise a few questions in the minds of some Republicans. Adelson has rejected all these charges, which may soon be tested in court.

And despite having personally promoted the use of U.S. military (and nuclear) forces against Iran and funded a number of hawkish groups, including the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, that have similarly advocated the threat or use of U.S. military force, Adelson appears at least ambivalent about his own service in the U.S. armed forces.

Speaking to a group in Israel, in July 2010, Adelson said:

I am not Israeli. The uniform that I wore in the military, unfortunately, was not an Israeli uniform. It was an American uniform, although my wife was in the IDF and one of my daughters was in the IDF … our two little boys, one of whom will be bar mitzvahed tomorrow, hopefully he'll come back– his hobby is shooting - and he'll come back and be a sniper for the IDF. … All we care about is being good Zionists, being good citizens of Israel, because even though I am not Israeli born, Israel is in my heart.

With a deal now reached in Vienna, Adelson is undoubtedly placing calls to the GOP leadership in Congress urging them to vote down a nuclear accord supported by an overwhelming number of experts in the relevant fields, as well as a majority of Americans, according to the latest polls. How they respond will tell us a great deal not only about Adelson's influence in the Republican party, but also about the impact of enormously wealthy, highly focused, one-issue donors on U.S. foreign policy and national security.

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[Jul 23, 2015]First Thoughts About The Iran Deal

"...BUT, since when has American opinion against war ever mattered? 1848? 1898? 1916-17? 1938-1941? 2001 and subsequently? When our oligarchs want war, we end up with a black flag, or backdoor to war ... and always go blindly off to war. And, it is always the 'exceptional/indispensable' us against the evil them!"
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"...Diplomats also came up with unusual procedure to "snap back" the sanctions against Iran if an eight-member panel determines that Tehran is violating the nuclear provisions. The members of the panel are Britain, China, France, Germany, Russia, the United States, the European Union and Iran itself. A majority vote is required, meaning that Russia, China and Iran could not collectively block action."
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"...The Iran deal will allow oil to flow to Europe. It is a temporary measure to try and keep Russia out of business with the EU. The ultimate fear of the Atlanticists is collaboration between Russia and Germany."
Jul 14, 2015 | M of A

The deal itself is a major infringement on Iran's sovereignty extorted though a manufactured crisis about an Iranian nuclear weapons program that does not and did not ever exist. To see the hypocrisy of it just count the nukes:

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The U.S. has a bad record of sticking to international deals it made. North Korea was promised two civil nuclear electricity plants to be build by the United States for stopping its nuclear activities. None was build and North Korea restarted its weapon program. Libya agreed to give up the tiny preliminary nuclear program it had and the U.S. destroyed the state.

Netanyahoo's puppets in the U.S. congress will do their best to blockade the current deal. Should they not be able to do so attempts will be made to press the next U.S. president into breaking the agreement.

Iran must now be very careful to not get trapped into more concessions or even a war.

Tom Murphy | Jul 14, 2015 7:14:13 AM | 1

But recall how ruthless the actions against Iran have been.
See video mentioning terrorist attacks against Iran: Iran Deal Reached on Peaceful Nuclear Program

okie farmer | Jul 14, 2015 9:59:25 AM | 5

I wonder how many nukes are aimed right at Iran

None. Why bother, everyone knows Iran has NO nukes. This is all about Israel's hegemony in the region which includes their best ally KSA.

harry law | Jul 14, 2015 10:45:31 AM | 8

In some respects the Iranians can claim a victory [of sorts] since they never intended to produce a nuclear weapon in the first place, all the concessions made by them only put them into the same position as before. They can still enrich uranium, as much as they need to fuel their reactors and for medical isotopes, and, in theory, can look to grow rich by selling its vast reserves of oil and gas to the West and open up its lucrative home market to investors from all over the world. Possibly a win win for Iran, to the consternation of Israel and the Saudi perverts. As our host rightly say's the devil is in the detail, and many people will try and distort the interpretation of the text. The bottom line in my opinion is the US electorate do not want another war in the middle east. That much was made clear when the warmongers received condemnation from ordinary Americans when strikes against Syria were proposed. Now the Iranians can concentrate on helping Syria and Hezbollah eliminate the anti-human Jihadis.

DamascusFalling | Jul 14, 2015 11:19:18 AM | 10

The bottom line in my opinion is the US electorate do not want another war in the middle east. That much was made clear when the warmongers received condemnation from ordinary Americans when strikes against Syria were proposed. Now the Iranians can concentrate on helping Syria and Hezbollah eliminate the anti-human Jihadis.
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Public opinion clearly means little, voting might account for even less. We'll soon have a new presidential regime that can decide whatever they want to do, and the public will just follow along, or at least the media substitutes that represent the 'national discussion' will anyway

okie farmer | Jul 14, 2015 12:57:12 PM | 16

http://tass.ru/en/world/808492
Moscow expects Washington to drop missile defense shield plans

Lavrov stressed that Russia expects Washington's move towards giving up plans on creating the missile defense shield in Europe after the deal on Iran's nuclear program has been reached.

Speaking on the deal in a "broader context," Lavrov reminded that US President Barack Obama said in 2009 in Prague that there would be no more need to create a European segment of the missile shield should a solution be found to Iran's nuclear issue.
"That's why we drew the attention of our American colleagues to this fact today and we will expect a reaction," Lavrov stressed.

ToivoS | Jul 14, 2015 1:28:04 PM | 17

In general this looks like a very good deal for the Iranians. It is also a good deal for the US since it will reduce the chances of war. There a two points that are problematical however.

One is that the arms embargo will continue for 5 years. Iran is still threatened by an air attack by Israel. Does this mean Russia will not be able to deliver the S-300 antiaircraft missiles they already ordered and paid for? This sounds like a major concession.

Two concerns the inspection of Iran's conventional military sites. Iran rejected the demand for "unfettered" access to their military sites. However they agreed to this:

Iran will allow UN inspectors to enter sites, including military sites, when the inspectors have grounds to believe undeclared nuclear activity is being carried out there. It can object but a multinational commission can override any objections by majority vote. After that Iran will have three days to comply. Inspectors will only come from countries with diplomatic relations with Iran, so no Americans.

"Inspectors have ground to believe" leaves many opportunities for Israel to fabricate some documents and send them to the "inspectors" which I presume will be IAEC personnel. Under Amano the IAEC has been a tool of the US. Israel has been sending fabricated documents to that agency for some time.

Mike Maloney | Jul 14, 2015 4:01:45 PM | 28

Virgile @ 25 says, with some understatement that "One of their [KSA's] option left is to weaken Iran by creating troubles in countries where Iran has influence: Syria, Lebanon, Yemen. Yet until now this strategy has shown to be inefficient and dangerous."

The Kingdom will not change its strategy. Its takfiri proxies have been very successful so far. The blowback is going to be a shattered EU, as more displaced persons arrive on Greek beaches. Member states will fight among each other. Greece is already on its way to being another Serbia. Marine Le Pen should do quite well. A Brexit will probably make a lot of sense to the English in another two years.

okie farmer | Jul 14, 2015 5:50:33 PM | 33

TRNN
Col Wilkerson on the Iran deal
https://youtu.be/uOfr9OuCv6E

Rg an LG | Jul 15, 2015 1:38:26 AM | 35

The alleged 'deal' is way over my head. So, no comment ...

BUT, since when has American opinion against war ever mattered? 1848? 1898? 1916-17? 1938-1941? 2001 and subsequently?

When our oligarchs want war, we end up with a black flag, or backdoor to war ... and always go blindly off to war. And, it is always the 'exceptional/indispensable' us against the evil them!

Does that mean war with Iran? I have no idea, but if our owners want the US at war, we will find a way ... no matter who the enemy might be. Living near Texas, maybe even the 7 states of Jade Helm 15?

Do have a day ... whatever flavor it may be.

Harry | Jul 15, 2015 3:16:31 AM | 36

The deal is a bit better than I expected, Iran did an amazing job of withstanding an insane pressure from the West. Iran had to make some big concessions, but they are non-essential. Countries' economy will boom and Iran would become a legit region superpower, this naturally created a hysteria in Israel and Saudi.

The main problem, US has reneged on every single agreement with Iran before, and they can easily do it with current deal. Consider two points:

"Tehran and the International Atomic Energy Agency had "entered into an agreement to address all questions" about Iran's past actions within three months, and that completing this task was "fundamental for sanctions relief.""

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/15/world/middleeast/iran-nuclear-deal-is-reached-after-long-negotiations.html

Amano will do as US says, and if US wants for IAEA to not give a green light, thats what he'll do. Amano has been doing it for years.

Diplomats also came up with unusual procedure to "snap back" the sanctions against Iran if an eight-member panel determines that Tehran is violating the nuclear provisions. The members of the panel are Britain, China, France, Germany, Russia, the United States, the European Union and Iran itself. A majority vote is required, meaning that Russia, China and Iran could not collectively block action.

So if anyone says "Obama wont allow this deal to be tanked", so what? Next president will be able to, at will. Under any bogus pretext of Iran's non-compliance, US with its minions will be able to re-start sanctions and there is nothing Iran, Russia or China can do about that.

Granted, EU by that time will have invested tens of billions in Iran, mass flowing of goods, and more importantly - EU is desperate for alternative to Russia's oil/gas, and Iran is a perfect choice. Therefore if US wants to sanction Iran again, it will face serious intransigence from EU, nonetheless US is still superpower with a lot of clout over minions, so they'll have to comply. Just like EU doesnt want to pay for US proxy-war in Ukraine, but are forced to. Just like they were forced to even initiate sanctions on Iran before and lose hundreds of billions in the process.

zingaro | Jul 15, 2015 5:12:35 AM | 38

"US will face serious intransigence from EU"...

huh, EU from which planet ? last time I checked they pretty much all insisted on committing suicide on US-demanded sanctions (while US laughed and evaded pretty much these same sanctions at will)...

dahoit | Jul 15, 2015 1:06:24 PM | 55

I forgot;The Zionist neocon warmongers at the NYTS and Wapo, of course, say Iran is untrustworthy.
The ultimate pot kettle remark.

linda amick | Jul 15, 2015 2:13:32 PM | 56

The Iran deal will allow oil to flow to Europe. It is a temporary measure to try and keep Russia out of business with the EU. The ultimate fear of the Atlanticists is collaboration between Russia and Germany.

Johnboy | Jul 15, 2015 11:06:56 PM | 66

@36 "Amano will do as US says, and if US wants for IAEA to not give a green light, thats what he'll do."

Absolutely. The IAEA will be *the* litmus test for how genuine the USA is regarding this agreement, precisely because Amano does as he is told.

So if he reports that the Iranians have answered all questions regarding "PMD" to the IAEA's satisfaction then, well, heck, everyone can conclude that Obama really is serious about this agreement, because Amano would have been told by the USA to reach that conclusion.

Alternatively, if Amano can't be satisfied No Matter What then you know for a certainty that he is being obstinate on the orders of Obama. Which means that the USA has no intention of ever allowing Iran to re-engage with the rest of the world.

Amano's inability to act independently makes him the perfect yardstick for judging the USA's real intentions.

We could spend years dissecting *this* statement or *that* complaint from various Notable Americans. We can then argue for/against where that official's true loyalties are, and it's all totally unnecessary.

Just keep your eye on the puppet over at the IAEA, because it is abundantly clear that
(a) he doesn't think for himself, and
(b) he answers to only one master.

So what he says on any issue will be a true, unadulterated representation of what the USA really, truly, means, precisely because he will mouth words without any considerations of petty politics or the need to jerk off the critics.


[Jul 22, 2015] Hundreds of Ukrainian right-wingers rally against govt

KIEV, Ukraine (AP) - Hundreds of Ukrainian right-wingers were rallying in Kiev on Tuesday to protest against government policies in the wake of a deadly stand-off between radical nationalists and police in the country's west.

The radical Right Sector group was one of the most militant factions in the massive protests in Ukraine's capital that prompted pro-Russia President Viktor Yanukovych to flee the country in February 2014. Since the war broke out in eastern Ukraine between government forces and pro-Russia separatists several months later, the Right Sector has fought on the government side.

However, Right Sector militants keep running into disputes with local Ukrainian authorities and Amnesty International has accused the group of holding civilians as prisoners and torturing them. The activists claim they are trying to clamp down on corruption and nepotism but Ukrainian authorities accuse Right Sector of using violence to reach its goals.

Speaking Tuesday at the national Right Sector congress, group leader Dmytro Yarosh called for a referendum to impeach President Petro Poroshenko and his government.

Yarosh also called for the recognition of volunteer battalions and their right to carry arms as well as introducing martial law, which he said, will help defeat the rebels in the east.

Right Sector supporters gathered on Tuesday evening on Kiev's main square to support Yarosh's motion. Most of them were civilians and appeared to be unarmed, although some young men wore camouflage.

Yarosh told the supporters at the square that the new government that replaced Yanukovych's regime was only about "changing names" but not the political system.

"We are an organized revolutionary force that is opening the new phase of the Ukrainian revolution," he told the rally.

The Right Sector leader garnered about 1 percent of the vote in the May 2014 presidential election. His radical anti-Russian stance prompted the Kremlin to dismiss the uprising in Kiev as a neo-Nazi coup.

The Ukrainian government has attempted to rein in the volunteer battalions who often took frontline positions in eastern Ukraine where soldiers were reluctant to go by encouraging them to join the National Guard and police forces. In reality, hundreds of men in government-controlled eastern Ukraine still carry arms without any authorization.

Two Right Sector members were killed earlier this month after the group attacked police in the western city of Mukacheve with gunfire and grenades. Police responded and then surrounded some gunmen in a wooded area of Mukacheve and have been trying to negotiate their surrender since then.

Right Sector insists that the men were trying to confront local policemen who he said were involved in a major smuggling business in the region.

Yarosh accused the government of deploying troops and weaponry to hunt down the Right Sector members instead of focusing on the war in the east: "Our guys were spilling their blood (in the east) but now they are being punished behind the lines."

In a sign that he does not control the men in Mukacheve, he said Tuesday he did not know for sure how many men were still out there but said it was likely to be nine. He also dismissed reports that Right Sector fighters are roaming the country with the arms they were given to fight the rebels in the east.

The stand-off in Mukacheve has caused a split in Right Sector with several dozen fighters quitting the battalion to join other battalions in protest.

  1. Right Sector gunmen take boy hostage in western Ukraine Associated Press
  2. At least 2 dead in in Ukraine sports club attack Associated Press
  3. Ukraine PM says reforms continue despite 'lunatic' lawmakers Associated Press
  4. Far right group challenges Ukraine government after shootout Reuters
  5. Ukraine nationalists in standoff with security forces after two killed AFP
eco123eco

The march on Kiev is coming. Old enemies and new allies are getting closer and closer day after day. The time of Poroshenko is running out, falling to the same corruption as the former Yanukovych. Corruption increased ten fold buy selling off Ukrainian Business to foreign investors. Poroshenko is a world puppet running the Ukraine like a world business with him being the CEO responsible for increasing the profits of the world before the Ukraine. Is it too much to ask for a united Ukraine against corruption?

Blood was spilled, lives lost, all because a government fired upon its own people in protest. Now those very same protesters have been led down the same path again marching on Kiev against corruption. They have discovered corruption doesn't go away because you change the name of your government, and indeed it gets worse when in secret the new government in power has been murdering and torturing more Ukrainians than its predecessor whom also was corrupt to the point of murdering and torturing Ukrainians.

The Ukraine must indeed be united as one Ukraine. It must become independent of West or East as it is the last great front where West and East ideology meet upon mutual terms. For this reason it is of vital importance to both West and East alike and that is a wealth like no other nation currently has. Even America is divided West and East, North and South, but it is still one America. Groups such as the Right Sector only exist because they have suffered under the corruption of others, and have taken it upon themselves to fight corruption at the highest levels with only one Ukraine, united West and East as a global front where West and East meet as equals, partners to solve world conflicts from West to East or East to West.

The Ukraine is now the keeper of World Peace capable of going forward with hope. Protesters all share one thing in common, they have lived under inhumane and harsh conditions, many have given their lives for a better way, many more will continue to give their lives for the same. Government has failed in the Ukraine, it is failing again dividing the Ukraine causing Civil War. Ukrainian killing Ukrainian, simply because the Ukraine can't form a unified government bringing West and East together in peace. Peace must be achieved, many lives are being lost, the people of the Ukraine are suffering and corruption is still the rule of law in the Ukraine.

All Ukrainians must take a good look at themselves, at what they are becoming. They must decide their futures as their governments continue to fail influenced by East and West. It is the Ukraine that should influence the East and West, the Ukraine that should be one nation united where difference and opinion come together for the best the Ukraine has to offer the world on a grand scale. The future awaits the Ukraine, will it be divided because Ukrainians could not negotiate with Ukrainians of Russian descent? Lives have been lost, many have died and suffered, many still are and it is sure to get worse before better. In the American Civil War, neither side really won, one side just decided it was best for America and the people to end the killing so it gave up in peace. From that moment forward America became a greater nation.

The Ukraine and the many peoples of the Ukraine are far more important than any amount of profit, corruption or greed, and it's time the Ukraine start acting like it by achieving its own world independence through peaceful negotiations. It's time the Ukraine regain it's independence and set aside its difference for the sake of the people who have died and continue to suffer. The dying and suffering must end, and if it should end in Civil War then it's time for the war to commence to end the dying and suffering at all cost in every part of the Ukraine. The past is over, the future is waiting, the world is watching, drawing lines in the sand, rallying armies to march across the Ukraine, foreign armies ready to kill Ukrainians over the failure of Ukrainians to achieve their own peace and independence.

To Be

Here are some very true facts about WW2 they don't teach you....

The bankers and industrialists and royal families were all concerned after what happened in Russia after the revolution that killed czar and his family (who were related to almost every other royal family) and the industrialists and bankers didn't want to lose their assets to the communist revolution. So they took things into their own hands.

Bankers and top corporations tried to take over America in the 1930's. Heinz, Colgate family, Dupont family, Birdseye family, Rockefellas and more. Major General Butler warned FDR in time to stop it.

Herbert Walker and Prescott Bush ran the Union bank and loaned Hitler extremely large sums of money to fund the war. Henry Ford was awarded the highest Nazi medal by Hitler (who also kept a life size painting of Ford) for his part in building the tanks and such for Germany.

The president of AT&T personally flew to Germany after the start of the war to hook up a state of the art communications for Hitler. Coke sold millions of bottles of soda to Germans during the war. Rockefella's supplied oil, and the list goes on.

This is no joke... these men and more quite literally built the Nazi party and got off scott free with more power and money then ever.

They treated Germany as an "investment". The use of concentration camps was much more widespread then they make you think. They used them as sources of slave labor to try and recoup their investment in the Nazi war machine. Over 15 thousand were used.


If all this seems far fetched or made up then I urge you to use the internet you have at your disposal. These same families control our media and our education too.

Of course you wont find direct links but the info is certainly there. Knowledge is our best weapon if we want to save our country.

Christopher Harrison

Agreed , more and more info is now coming out about what really happened during WW2 thanks to the internet and You Tube. Go to You Tube and check out the video series The Best Enemies Money Can Buy with Professor Anthony Sutton form the Hoover Institute talking in 1964. It will blow your mind how much US corporations were working with Hitler through subsidiaries and the German company IG Farben. And yes it was the Rockefellers and the Rothschild and the Bushes

G.

You are brave T/To be. You forgot the headmaster Rothschild who said ( Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws)

b

This article says hundreds protested but the Ukranian paper (KyivPost) says it was thousands... this story/problem is bigger than what our own media wants us to know.

Christopher Harrison

Why is it not being considered that it was these fascists that shot down MH-17 as another false flag? After all, it was they who shot people at the 1stMaidan from the Hotel Ukraine where they were headquartered. The BBC captured them shooting at the BBC's own film crew. They also are on film burning 45 people alive in Odessa and beating them with baseball bats as they jumped from windows. They also shot people point blank on camera in Mariupol. Their Neo-Notzee battalions have been shooting artillery at civilians towns for a year and even Human Rights watch has said they commit atrocities. Hence the reason 1.3 million refugees fled TO RUSSIA. This stuff isn't that difficult to understand, here they are again and this time they are going after the new government. No one is safe, even in Europe, while these guys are around. It's time to get rid of them once and for all before they shoot down another airliner or gain access to nuclear fuels rods.

Madeski

Most Western media tried hard to ignore this story thinking it would just go away, but because many of us also read and watch the Russian news also especially RT, we knew the true situation in Ukraine and that things will soon get out of hand and snowball into an armed confrontation between the western backed Govt and their militia who have a different ideology but are together in the fight in the east only because the 2 parties view the East as Pro-Russia that most be crushed.


Michael

More violent thugs. What a mess the CIA and NATO have caused for Ukraine, Russia, and European security.

BrainPick

Any place where instability can be implemented NED/CIA will be there.

OdessaFile

BrainPick --They arrived long before it.

Stephen

Another fine mess the stupid US government has created. These thugs of the Ukrainian far right are N@zi lovers. Their Fathers & Grandfathers fought for Hitler & ran the death camps on behalf of Hitler & N@zi Germany in WW2. This is what many Americans do not understand & it's very clear the foolish American government was not expecting this. Just like Iraq & Taliban central the US went into the Ukraine & put a weak leader in charge who would be a lap puppy to the US government but also will fail because the US puppet cannot lead & control his own country.

james 8

If Kololmsky is involved in subversive activities that compromise the National security of Ukraine than Nationalize all his assets in Ukraine and later sell them off to the private sector of the economy . These assets need to be broken down so that they do not continue to be a monopoly and a threaten national security . In this way Ukraine can also break the Oligarch control on the country . Drastic measures are needed . The country can not be sacrificed for the benefit of a few billionaires that enriched themselves by stealing from the Ukrainian people .

Fvok Yo

Buk missle explodes above an airplane, and 50 to 150 yards above it. How can you possibly explain the
focal schrapnel damage to the mh17 with a Buk. You cant. Moreover, a Buk strike would instantly depressurize the aircraft, resulting in immediate incapacitation of the pilot and crew. The pilot was alert after the initial (not a BUK ) strike, and contacted ATC, but the Ukraine has refused to release that communication. Of course for the hollywood drama to play out, the missle absolutely has to be a Buk. An air to air missle would have had to be done by the Ukranians, or outside forces assisting the Ukranians.

maxcrusader

"...but Ukrainian authorities accuse Right Sector of using violence to reach its goals."

I'm sure they had no problem when the same Right Sektor helped the junta government get into power through a coup.

Eye Of Horus

The US orchestrated coup in Kiev has guaranteed the collapse of the US. The world is no longer willing to fund a govt that's gone insane by continuing to use the dollar in trade settlement and to buy treasuries. It's only a matter of time until we get to that tipping point where there's a stampede for the exits and the US manifests into the 3rd world sh|thole that it already is. Parts of the country is already there. The rest will follow.

Gary and Minge

"The radical Right Sector group was one of the most militant factions in the massive protests in Ukraine's capital that prompted pro-Russia President Viktor Yanukovych to flee the country in February 2014. "

and here we were fed all this garbage about "peaceful protest" and "evil president" . In fact US "NGO's" created this organization training most of them in Baltic states.
US treatened then president Yanukovich with sanctions "and more" if he so much "try to disperse this peaceful protest" .
McCain was taking pictures at maidan with this neo-na_zies between anti government speeches, Nuland fed them cookies, Pyatt [US ambassador and man who really in charge in Ukraine] called them "will of the people"
McCain made sure they get weapons, they were coming to US visiting McCain among other US congressman telling how bad "Russians" are showing picture of "invasion" , using Georgia 2008 pics.
No one cared, no one paid attention of Amnesty international reports of tortures of civilians in war zone. They been called 'true patriots" by most US media outlets.
Now that the monster no longer needed lets call them "Ukrainian al quida "

Here is more examples of what those "volunteer battalions" up to
google search : " Ukrainian volunteer battalions | meet heroes from "Tornado" battalion. [English Subtitles]

Video with English Subtitles

Commenter

I'm waiting for evidence to appear that would link Yarosh and Right Sector to the snipers on Midan. That would take away any public support they may currently have and allow the government to crack down on them hard. I would venture to say that we have not seen this yet because there is still a hot war in the East but if they remove themselves from the front line there, Right Sector will quickly outlive it's usefulness.

John

Another pogrom in Kiev will be more devastating! Watch the real Ukraine, Ukraine is Europe! Let gay Europe witness all the brutality!
Government of Ukraine is instructed by CIA chief of station in Kiev what to do next!
Here is possible scenario: Poroshenko will order troops to "pacify" "Right Sector"-those troops trained by US. "Right Sector" has combat experience and would out power freshly trained "boy scouts". By the way, Porosehnko's family is not in Ukraine, he is not an idiot to have his children in the middle of total chaos!

Gabriel

The combination of Oligarchs and Neo Nazi troops could be very dangerous for the future of Ukraine, if any.

Pynk

Manipulated by, used by, and then betrayed by the corrupt elite power brokers?

SAY IT AIN'T SO!


Rick Harner

Since gaining independence from the Soviet Union in 1991, Ukraine has been on a steady path to imploding. Corruption, mass demonstrations in 2004, revolution in 2014, Crimea seized, civil war in the east, neo-fascist groups in the west... How much more can this country withstand before it completely comes apart?

Commenter

The Right Sector members till the rest of their live will be on the run from justice. No government needs them. Just today NYT published a story on some Cilian junta policeman sentenced for killing people half a century ago. The burning in Odessa of people will never be forgotten too. So better look for your ratholes starting right now.

Madeski

Since Last year Yahoo has been calling them 'revolutionaries, freedom fighters, nationalists'

Today Yahoo is calling them 'Right Wingers, radical Right Sector group and one of the most militant factions' in this article, what happened? Can somebody please explain to us?

Yachob

US state dep and our spin doctors have been "refining" the image of provincial #$%$ Bandero-stan Right Wing for more than a year. Clear signs of progress: all have clean hair cut, clean uniform, no signs of swastika, no Confederate flags: a striking difference from rabid bidlo on Maidan. Now Ukrainian %nazi% seemed to be under control. and this is just a theater, a show of political diversity but foremost a warning of the Kiev regime to those, who really oppose Parashenko and %nazism%.


Dana

Most analysts indicate that The Right Sector and other Ultra-Nationalists are supported by only a small percentage of Ukrainians. The same thing was said about the National Socialists with respect to Germany in the 1920s. It is very important that the central government in Kiev not underestimate the threat represented by Ultra-Nationalists.

Glenn

This is media hype. There are major parts of the story that were not included. Those things were not included so readers would be left with an image of fascists marching in Kiev in the hundreds calling for Poroschenko's ouster and the imposition of martial law, because that will look scary to readers who don't know that much about what is going on in Ukraine recently.

Two weeks ago in Mukacheve, an upstart smuggling gang got entangled with local authorities and did not want to pay them off with bribes. The well-established smugglers were pressuring the local police to demand newcomer prices, because their new competition was unwanted. So the new kids on the block decided not to pay the bribes, and called in fellow militia strongmen from across the country for a show of force to intimidate the local cops into backing down. It turned into a violent confrontation and a gunfight at the ok corral. The Ukraine federal authorities responded rapidly with superior force, and the majority of militiamen scattered for the provinces. The remaining two dozen militia stayed because they were close family relations withe the smugglers still held in jail. This has caused an uproar in the militia's national leadership, because the majority interest - nationalist politics - has been undermined by an attempt by a small faction to enforce a new smuggling business venture by using militia men to assert power over local police. Corruption is plain on both sides. Right Sector's rally in Kiev is their attempt to re-assert their political message and call for unity. Meanwhile, several chapters of Right Sector have walked out in disgust - somewhere close to 20% of their membership is on the way out because they did not sign up for smuggling and armed enforcement gangs. They signed up to kill Russians, and to kill Russians only.

This news piece is not telling you anything much about all of that, and that is what is going on. There is no violent mob calling for the government to step down. It is just a fascist rally to try to stem the loss of membership after one faction inside Right Sector with ties to organized crime did some very stupid and damaging things to their nationalism image.

[Jul 22, 2015]Oil falls, U.S. crude settles below $50 as inventories rise

"... Oil is trading at inflation adjusted price equal to 1974 pricing. "

U.S. September crude (CLc1) fell $1.67 to settle at $49.19 a barrel, first settlement below $50 since April. The $49.06 intraday low was a September contract low.

U.S. crude dropped below $50 on Monday for the first time since April and its 14-day Relative Strength Index is below 28. A reading below 30 is considered an indication of an oversold condition by technical traders.

DSR

The reason inventories are not going down is mostly due to imports of heavy sour grade, which the US does not produce in substantial quantities. Over the years, most US refiners have upgraded to run lower priced heavy crude versus WTI sweet. Thus, refiner demand for WTI has been tempered. Thus our inventory problem at Cushing, etc. BUT, the WTI supply is going to come down and probably faster than most think.

Chris

The API is usually off by about double whatever they report, so we'll see a little bit later how much of build there really is in the USA.

doubtingthomas1 6 hours ago

  4/26/09 9/23/10 7/21/15 
      50      75     50 cost of barrel oil
    1.43     1.91  1.91 RBOB wholesale 
    1.86     2.44  2.45 price seen at the pump
Data from the commodity Exchange and my local pump prices.

p2i

Saudis step up diesel export? Their refineries were only using 2.4M barrels a day in the last report for June. They can't export a lot of product when it's been reported by Wikipedia that they consume 3M barrels a day themselves.

Joseph

Somebody is really trying to keep oil above $50/bbl. It's going to be interesting if Oil dips below 50 and possibly triggers some automatic selling. It seems like $50 is a technical indicator.

IC

In CA we're getting reamed as usual. We're paying at the $100/bbl level, $4.25/gal. Hell, at the rate these thieves are going, the gas taxes alone will end up being the national avg of the price of gasoline.

David

When will the media stop reporting fudged numbers. Media that broadcasts numbers that are obvious estimated aka fudged are just as guilty as the perpetrators. The reality is that fracked oil is not the same quality, estimates of production include distillates that cannot be used as Oil or Gas production. World oil demand is estimated at about 95 million barrels per day, while Saudi's supply is about 31 million per day. The demand is going to quickly outpace the so called 2.5 million bpd surplus. Oil is trading at inflation adjusted price equal to 1974 pricing.


jim

This is good news for Americans.
Bad news for speculators, banksters, Putin, and Texans!

Jay 5 hours ago

Low oil prices?

It's not just overproduction, the world economy is in bad shape and demand is falling.

Lars Mors

It is interesting that Saudi Arabia came up short $4 billion in just the last month, and has run short of capacity. Something is gonna break ... either prices shoot up or economies collapse.


[Jul 22, 2015] Far Worse Than 1986 The Oil Downturn Has No Parallel In Recorded History, Morgan Stanley Says

"...[There are] strong similarities between the current oil price downturn and the one that occurred in 1985/86. The trajectory of oil prices is similar on both occasions. There were also common reasons for the collapse. "
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"...Folks, we are in the throes of economic war and most of us haven't a clue as to the enemy. It isn't really OPEC, but they may be an ally of the enemy. The true enemy is the financial system itself - the big banks. To the extent the Fed enables this behavior, it is part of the problem, not the solution. Easy credit is creating dilemas that constrain policy choices. By issuing too much high risk credit the banksters have made it tough for the Fed to raise rates. Welcome to Japan."
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"...Summary: Morgan Stanley is trying to talk down the price of oil even more, so they can buy oils stock at ridiculoulsy low values. I'll be buying too, when the time comes."
Jul 22, 2015 | Zero Hedge

In a ZIRP world, there's plenty of demand for new HY issuance and ill-fated secondaries, which means the digging, drilling, and pumping gets to continue indefinitely in what may end up being one of the most dramatic instances of malinvestment the market has ever seen.

Those who contend that the downturn simply cannot last much longer - that the supply/demand imbalance will soon even out, that the market will clear sooner rather than later, and that even if the weaker hands are shaken out, the pain for the majors will be relatively short-lived - are perhaps ignoring the underlying narrative that helps to explain why the situation looks like it does. At heart, this is a struggle between the Fed's ZIRP and the Saudis, who appear set to outlast the easy money that's kept US producers alive.

Against that backdrop, and amid Wednesday's crude carnage, we turn to Morgan Stanley for more on why the current downturn will be "worse than 1986."

From Morgan Stanley

Worse than 1986? Really?

We have been expecting the current downturn to be as severe as the one in 1986 – the worst for at least 45 years – but not worse than that. Still, if oil prices follow the path suggested by the forward curve, our thesis may yet prove too optimistic.

Our constructive stance on the majors is based on four factors: 1) supply – we expected production growth to moderate following large capex cuts and the sharp decline in the rig count; 2) demand – we anticipated that the fall in price would boost oil products demand; 3) cost and capex – we foresaw both falling sharply, similar to the industry's response in 1986; and 4) valuation – relative DY and P/BV indicated 35-year lows.

So far this year, we can put a tick against three of them [but] our expectation on supply has not materialised: US tight oil production growth has started to roll over, but this has been more than offset by OPEC, which has added ~1.5 mb/d since February.

On current trajectory, this downturn could become worse than 1986: An additional +1.5 mb/d is roughly one year of oil demand growth. If sustained, this could delay the rebalancing of oil markets by a year as well. The forward curve has started to price this in: as the chart shows, the forward curve currently points towards a recovery in prices that is far worse than in 1986. This means the industrial downturn could also be worse. In that case, there would be little in analysable history that could be a guide to this cycle.

[There are] strong similarities between the current oil price downturn and the one that occurred in 1985/86. The trajectory of oil prices is similar on both occasions. There were also common reasons for the collapse.

A high and stable oil price in the preceding four years stimulated technological innovation and led to a high level of investment. This resulted in strong production growth outside OPEC, exceeding the rate of global demand growth. When it became clear that OPEC would no longer rein in production to balance the market (as it did during both the Nov 1985 and Nov 2014 OPEC meetings) the price collapsed.

And although MS notes that similar to 1986, costs and capex are likely to come in sharply while demand growth should materialize, the supply side of the equation is not cooperating thanks to increased output from OPEC.

Due to the sharp slowdown in drilling activity and the high decline rate of tight oil wells, we expected production in the US to flatline and start declining in 2H. This seems to be happening: according to the US Department of Energy, tight oil production in June was 94 kb/d below the April level, and it forecasts further falls of 90 kb/d in both July and August.

Now that capex is falling, we anticipated non-US production to be flat at best. Still, this has not yet been the case. At the time of our 'Looking Beyond the Nadir' report in February, OPEC production stood at ~30.2 mb/d. This increased substantially to 31.3 mb/d in May and 31.7 mb/d in June, i.e. OPEC has added 1.5 mb/d to global supply in the last four months alone.

Our commodity analyst Adam Longson argues that the oil market is currently ~800,000 b/d oversupplied. This suggests that the current oversupply in the oil market is fully due to OPEC's production increase since February alone.

We anticipated that OPEC would not cut, but we didn't foresee such a sharp increase. In our view, this is the main reason why the rebalancing of oil markets had not yet gained momentum.

If oil prices follow the path suggested by the forward curve, and essentially remain rangebound around levels seen in the last 2-3 months, this downturn would be more severe than that in 1986. As there was no sharp downturn in the ~15 years before that, the current downturn could be the worst of the last 45+ years.

If this were to be the case, there would be nothing in our experience that would be a guide to the next phases of this cycle, especially over the relatively near term. In fact, there may be nothing in analyzable history.

Needless to say, this does not bode well for everyone who has unwittingly thrown good money after bad on the assumption that the Saudis will cut production and trigger a rebound in crude.

In addition to the immense pressure from persistently low prices, US producers also face a Fed rate hike cycle and thus the beginning of the end for easy money.

Of course, the more expensive it is to fund money-losing producers, the less willing investors will be to perpetuate this delay-and-pray scheme, which brings us right back to what we've been saying for months: the expiration date for heavily indebted US drillers is fast approaching, and if Morgan Stanley thinks the oil downturn has no parallel in "analysable history," wait until they see the carnage that will unfold in HY credit when a few high profile defaults in the oil patch send the retail crowd running for the junk bond ETF exits.

aVileRat

Yes it is worse than 87, and 83. In fact you have to reach all the way back to 1860 and the brief 1931-33 period to figure this one out. And given that most of the majors will require fresh credit roll over and drilling capital for the 2016 drill programs, this could get nasty. Most bonds are pricing that debt will be rolled over at the same terms, with at best 500 basis point moves for some of the most horrible offenders of debt binge drilling. Those were financed at 80/bbl projections on Par. Most corporates have locked in their hedges down at the low 60's. (all USD). For some corporates the capital programs needed to keep production flat, plus roll their bonds over at the 80/bbl interest rate are nearly 4x their current cash flows. Yet most HYG still trades at 80/100 or better.

This salient fact is what is keeping the 51 billion in special situations PE money on the sidelines. Who wants to buy into the next GDP or PVA ? and then see a 50% haircut in 6 months. Very few on a standard 5% WACC (going to 8). That is also what keeps most of the major Pensions, Endowments and bond managers awake at night. What happens when a BBB+ rolls the yield at 300 bps. What happened to the money markets when nobody knew what was economical.

MonetaryApostate

I believe that banking institution are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. - Thomas Jefferson

There are two ways to conquer a nation. One is by the sword. The other is by debt. - John Adams

http://galeinnes.blogspot.com/2015/07/the-invisible-enslavement.html

steelhead23

I would assume that MS sent a forward copy of this to the FOMC because this information is likely to encourage the Fed to continue ZIRP. Those with rose colored glasses should stop reading this comment now.

The U.S. economy is a virtual zombie, kept alive by easy credit. Even those seemingly good numbers coming out of the car biz is simpy another credit bubble, including a huge amount of high risk credit. Let's use autos as a metaphor here. If interest rates increase, tight oil producers would not be able to roll their debt and would go bankrupt. U.S. oil production would decline. If OPEC did not fill the supply gap, prices would rise. If they did fill the gap, the U.S. trade balance would get worse, but let's assume OPEC sits tight (not a great assumption, but I want to make a point). The effect of increasing interest rates would be to reduce production. Prices would then rise. Now, let's look at our new car owner. The increased cost of gas would consume more of his/her cash flow. They could either buy less, causing an economic downturn, or default. If either the economy goes down or defaults increase the Fed would be looking to juice the economy and would reduce rates, reinitiating ZIRP. The Fed is a reactionary organization, not a leader.

Folks, we are in the throes of economic war and most of us haven't a clue as to the enemy. It isn't really OPEC, but they may be an ally of the enemy. The true enemy is the financial system itself - the big banks. To the extent the Fed enables this behavior, it is part of the problem, not the solution. Easy credit is creating dilemas that constrain policy choices. By issuing too much high risk credit the banksters have made it tough for the Fed to raise rates. Welcome to Japan.

From where I sit the best answer is a painful one. The Fed should do a Volcker; raise rates and keep raising rates until credit is being created at a rate equal to or lower than economic growth. Yes, there would be an absolute hemorroage in the markets. Lots of folks would lose lots of money. As long as this global Ponzi scheme continues we will be seeing rampant insider looting and other criminality because prosecution could cause the systemic collapse the entire regulatory apparatus fears most. End ZIRP now!

Dr. Engali

Cracks me up every time I read that we are facing a fed rate hike cycle. Fucking hilarious. Here's some food for thought; we have an over supply of oil because we have no demand thanks to the global depression we are currently in.

Carpenter1

You falsely assume our rulers are benevolent and actually want to hold the financial system together.

In that assumption, you are incorrect.


Carpenter1

Here's some food for thought; we have an over supply of oil because we have no demand thanks to the global depression we are currently in.

Your own words, no assumptions necessary. Or is this statement supposed to be the lead in to why there WILL be a rate hike? Because we're in a depression right?

Doubt that very much, obviously you're saying there'll be no hike cause the economy sucks.

So I repeat, you falsely assume our leaders are benevolent and want to keep the system up. In that you are incorrect.

Dr. Engali

What the fuck does that statement you highlighted have to do with the powers that be wanting to hold the system together? You make no fucking sense. I will repeat what I have said in the past. We will never see a fed funds rate above 1% again. We may get a little hike to prolong the illusion that all is well, but we will never see "normal" rates again. When TPTB do collapse the system, and they will, there will be a false flag to give them cover.

Meremortal

Well yes, governments are in the oil biz. The feds collect 22.3 cents a gallon and the states average around 18 cents a gallon. They make that by sticking their hands out.

So, subtract out the 40 cents a gallon the various levels of govt make and the cost of boutique fuels and prices would be a good bit lower.

Of course there's also the big bad oil companies' profits, which average 9 cents a gallon. Horrors. To get that profit, they have to permit, explore, produce, refine, ship and retail the product.

There's also the fact the almost 30% of all oil use is non-fuel in nature.

Oil has been a boom-bust biz for a century and some people are just noticing.

Carpenter1

No, that's not why.

Super major producers have been reducing their reserves for decades, some thought this was a sign they were losing ground. To the contrary, they, being insider elites, knew this day was coming and would be far more than a typical cyclical downturn in oil prices.

We are witnessing the destruction of every non-super major producer worldwide.

In the meantime, super majors are making their money refining and manufacturing instead of producing. Thus, they've kept prices high to offset whatever losses they take from their leftover production business. So, they'll survive this thing just fine, and notice they aren't raising bloody hell in government with their extremely powerful lobbyists.

Seem odd? It should, cause big oil gets what big oil wants. Apparently big oil doesn't want higher prices, cause big oil has planned for this event long ago.

Meremortal

Lots of "ifs" in that article.

WTI prices in this downturn so far:

116.75 - 49.92

WTI prices in last downturn, 2008:

146.12 - 46.56.

http://www.macrotrends.net/1369/crude-oil-price-history-chart

Take a look of what has happened after each crash in oil prices, adjusted for inflation.

Jus7tme

Summary: Morgan Stanley is trying to talk down the price of oil even more, so they can buy oils stock at ridiculoulsy low values. I'll be buying too, when the time comes.

piratepiet2

Can this not be explained by the following :

1. renewable energy revolution->downward pressure on demand

2.fracking in US->downward pressure on demand on world market (as still ban on exports)

3.nuclear deal with Iran in return for sanctions relief-> increase in supply

4.Global warming narrative with potential deal in Paris in december 2015->downward pressure on demand

5.economic depression ?

6.I have the impression that peak oil hysteria was possibly a scare tactic to justify high prices. Are people waking up to that ?

7.Young generation is too hooked to their internet connected devices to want a car to drive anywhere ? Or the sharing economy makes having your own car less of a must ? Think Uber,...

Your thoughts ?

Radical Marijuana

piratepiet2,

my answers:

Primarily, it is the counter-intuitive results of systems which were based upon presuming endless exponential growth running into real limits of diminishing returns making that no longer possible. Civilization was based upon being able to make "money" out of nothing as debts, in order to "pay" for strip-mining the natural resources of the planet. Running into the real limits of diminishing returns, after we have high-graded ourselves to hell, show up first and foremost through the fundamentally fraudulent financial accounting systems. However, since those systems ARE ENFORCED FRAUDS, the intrusions of physical realities into those integrated systems of legalized lies backed by legalized violence results in various sorts of psychotic breakdowns, which manifest through a wide variety of counter-intuitive ways, because none of the mental models that people are using to perceive the real world were remotely close to being realistic, since those were based on being able to operate as professional liars and immaculate hypocrites.

As was recently concluded in another article that I also commented upon $900 Million Payday Is Billionaires' Reward For Crushing Twinkie-Maker's Labor Unions

"... an entire world filled with lunatic central bankers who have clearly taken over the asylum."

In every way possible, on every possible level, it is a gross understatement to assert that: "In fact, there may be nothing in analysable history."

As I also explained in my reply under:

So You Say You "Don't" Want A Revolution?

There is nothing in human history to compare to the development of globalized electronic monkey money frauds, backed by the threat of force from apes with atomic bombs. The only thing that compares to the progress in physical science is the development of photosynthesis, which had profoundly revolutionary effects upon the evolution of life on planet Earth.

Morgan Stanley thinks the oil downturn has no parallel in "analysable history."

Nothing during "analysable HUMAN history" can be compared to advances in physical science enabling technologies to be developed that are trillions of times more powerful and capable, which then were primarily applied through social pyramid systems based upon ENFORCING FRAUDS.

The wild swings in the price of oil are due to hyper-complicated interactions within systems that were always based upon being able to back up lies with violence, so that everything that happens occurs through those infinite tunnels of deceits.

The renewable revolution is not yet sufficiently significant to explain the wide price swings in oil. Being able to make "money" out of nothing to speculate with is much more related to the wild price swings in oil. DEMAND DESTRUCTION is the single best explanation for the collapse of the price of oil, which in turn is related to those who are able and willing to make more "money" out of nothing to speculate with continuing to do that.

Nothing regarding the objective supply of oil explains the wild oscillations in the price of oil. Rather, the background steady deterioration due to diminishing returns from investments to extract oil ends up being leveraged up and down by many orders of magnitude, through fundamentally fraudulent financial accounting systems, such that those have intensely counter-intuitive manifestations, because there is nothing like that which was ever globally faced before, by the Neolithic styles of social pyramid systems, based upon being able to back up lies with violence.

The global warming narrative exists inside of that overall context that civilization is controlled by backing up lies with violence. Therefore, nothing can be trusted. Even although the greenhouse gas mechanisms exist, the overall climate includes more cosmic factors, such as the Sun and Earth magnetic fields, which are changing significantly in ways that nobody understands, and which factors were deliberately ignored by the mainstream climate models. In any case, there are not yet any sufficiently significant impacts from laws that are supposed to limit carbon emissions, but rather, only more scam "solutions" designed to deceptively be able to make more privatized profits, in ways which do not really resolve the bigger problems.

Economic depression is what I believe in the currently most significant reason for the DEMAND DESTRUCTION, that hit the price of oil. However, that cannot be comprehended outside of the extremely counter-intuitive aspects of how everything is priced through fundamentally fraudulent financial accounting systems.

Peak oil was not "hysteria," although the statistics can not be trusted regarding that, due to all of the vested interests that are behind misrepresenting that data. However, the basics appear to me to be irrefutable, without some series of technological miracles, none of which have been sufficiently proven to be possible, as far as I now know, our current kind of industrial civilization has sailed itself way up its shit creek without enough of a paddle, by presuming that there surely would be some technological miracles to save us from ourselves.

However, the basic problems are that money is measurement backed by murder, or that the debt controls depended upon the death controls. The history of oil can not be separated from the history of warfare, nor separated from the basic ways that civilization actually operates according to the principles and methods of organized crime. Again, there "nothing in analysable history" to be able to compare to what happens to petroleum resources, after the human murder systems have to adapt to the existence of weapons of mass destruction.

At the present time, we are cruising on the autopilot of human habits, to have developed globalized electronic frauds, backed by atomic bombs, in the forms of MAD Money As Debt, backed by MAD Mutual Assured Destruction. We have NOT adapted to that, other than mostly by continuing to follow our morbid psychological and political habits, which were based upon thousands of years of social successfulness through backing up deceits with destruction, and then through enforcing frauds.

The ways that the industrial revolution developed were never done with any overall rationality, but rather, were done in the expedient ways directed by the continued triumphs of organized crime. Therefore, the petroleum resources' real past was wrapped up in the paradoxical triumphs due to enforcing frauds, and so, the future of those must also continue to be wrapped upon in their continuing enforced frauds, which has wildly counter-intuitive consequences, related to the wild oscillations in the price of oil, that have no direct relationship to the relatively overall steady supply of oil, which has perhaps overall been plateauing.

The oil markets, like all other markets, are being rigged to the maximum possible degree by the people who most control the SOURCES of the public "money" supply as ENFORCED FRAUDS, which therefore, are able to create as much of that "money" out of nothing as they want to, in order to speculate with that, which are the primary reasons how and why the price of oil can be MADLY manipulated, in counter-intuitive ways, which will increasingly have even more MAD counter-intuitive consequences, because, overall, those ENFORCED FRAUDS are reaching their turning or tipping points, towards reaching the cusps of various psychotic breakdowns.

We are NOT analyzing a "rational" market, we are actually analyzing runaway criminally insane markets. It is only from that perspective that one can comprehend the otherwise astonishingly counter-intuitive ways that the oil markets have been behaving. Personally, I believe that Peak Oil is real, however, I therefore think that that will provoke Peak Insanity.

The younger you are, the more you are being lied to, cheated and robbed by the political system that you were born into. Some young people may have an intuitive bullshit detector. However, the circuits of that have probably burned out due to the overload placed upon those detectors. The entire system was based on maximizing the short-term benefits, while that also simultaneously maximized the longer term costs, which was facilitated through fundamentally fraudulent financial accounting systems. Overall, therefore, the debts have been deferred onto future generations, and even more so, the deaths have been deferred onto future generations, in order that past and present generations could indulge in strip-mining the planet's natural resources as fast as possible, regardless of the overall eventual consequences from having done that ...

The more one learns about that, the worse it gets. Furthermore, the younger you are, the worse that will probably become. For generation after generation, people have been the victims of the best scientific brainwashing that money could buy. That continues to be the case now more than ever before. All in all, I can quite sympathize with young people who have turned their intuitive bullshit detectors off, because otherwise those would have their sirens blaring louder and louder, while their warning lights blinked brighter.

In order to become more realistic about human energy systems, one has to go through series of intellectual revolutions, in order to encompass how and why we have ended up operating our civilization through fundamentally fraudulent financial accounting systems, whereby those frauds by privately controlled banks were enforced by governments to achieve leverage levels which appear to have become so extremely unbalanced as to be criminally insane (as I just recited in my other comment I posted today under $900 Million Payday Is Billionaires' Reward For Crushing Twinkie-Maker's Labor Unions

"... an entire world filled with lunatic central bankers who have clearly taken over the asylum."

In my view, it is impossible to exaggerate the degree to which that is literally the case, and since petroleum resources are the single most important component in our current kind of industrialization, those are also subject to being the most criminally insane, and therefore, the oil markets manifest the maximum counter-intuitive events.

PrimalScream

OIL has tanked

COAL has tanked

COPPER has tanked

The Baltic Dry Index is at generational lows.

But no worries - the Dow continues to have record values !!!!!

HAS IT OCCURRED to anyone ... how stupid and corrupt our Financial System looks, when this kind of stuff goes on? I know Banana Republics that that have better "price discovery" mechanisms than this. And they only deal in bullets and bananas!

Youri Carma

Halliburton secures $500 million to fund drilling in old wells
20 July 2015, by Amrutha Gayathri (Reuters)
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/20/us-halliburton-results-idUSKCN0PU11H20150720

Halliburton said it had tapped BlackRock for $500 million to help fund drilling in existing shale wells, the first such move by a major oilfield services provider at a time when oil producers are shying away from drilling new wells.

HardlyZero

bullish. They have to keep up appearances to keep the entire show on the road. It's going to take years to wipe out all this fiat financed capex and stop the madness.

adr

In the late '90s there was a lot of talk at very high levels about the discovery that oil is abiotic and the supply is just about limitless. New oil massive oil fields were being discovered and ones that should have run dry kept on producing. Oil looked to go below $10 a barrel. Cheap energy and low cost raw materials are the lifeblood of small business and the true economy.

This, like Tesla's discovery of free limitless electricity generated from the Earth itself didn't work for the powers that be. It sounds like a wacky conspiracy theory but there is plenty of evidence that true world changing innovation has been stifled.

The Saudis could still rake in billions with oil selling for $10. US oil companies were making billions with oil selling for less than $20 and still exploring and expanding deep sea rigs. I remember talking with some of my college friends who went on to work at Exxon that a price of $50 for a barrel of oil was seen as impossible. When prices first started creeping up I was told that at $50 it would be profitable to drill anywhere on Earth, even the bottom of the deep sea. If $20 oil still allowed for massive exploration, why is $50 oil seen as the end of the world now? Either oil really is that expensive, or we have been lied to by investment banks and traders who can't make a profit if a commodity falls below the price they paid for it.

The world functioned quite well with commodities at a fraction of their current prices. It is pretty clear that the global economy can't function the way things are right now. We have had fifteen years of absolute economic hell since the Commodity Futures Modernization Act was passed. I don't think anyone even knows what commodities should be selling for since we haven't had anything close to real price discovery for coming up on two decades. Just look at the inflation caused by the massive increase in contract volume. Did growing corn, cutting trees, mining ore, or drilling for oil really get that expensive? Or did everything skyrocket in price because contracts became the next great speculative investment.

The global depression started when total economic control was handed over to investment bankers. The passage of that piece of legislation along with the repeal of Glass Steagall has caused more damage than every war in history combined.

Wed, 07/22/2015 - 18:12 | 6342998 piratepiet2

two words for you : petro and dollar.

Wed, 07/22/2015 - 19:30 | 6343312 Pareto

Inflation. Eventually, $50 oil will be viable when the prices of labor, equipment, services, housing, food, etc., all come down. And the longer the commodity rout continues, the more likely these adjustments will occur. Talking to a kid the other day - figured his time is worth $30/hr. Hasn't worked a fucking day in his life - but - thats just what he figures he's worth........ When the reset occurs I think most (conscious) people will do just fine. Others, like this kid will have an incredibly rude awakening. The way commodities are headed and their duration, nominal wages need to come down at least 40%. Which means the nominal prices of all other things have to come down commensurately as well. And they will.

It just takes time for the shock effect to etch permanently in the minds of people, that things are never going to be the same. We are still in the denial stage. That will change and give way to a more realistic expectation once the greatest monetary experiment completes its cycle.

Wahooo's picture

How do you get a 40% drop?

Winston Churchill

None of the historic ratios mean anything.

We are truly in uncharted waters, without a paddle.

It is different this time, but not in the way CNBC says.

KJWqonfo7

OK, I know im going to regret saying this but... could the Obama policy for Iran be right?

Ignore the nukes and the fact that they hate our guts..

Strategically are we better off if the Saudis have an enemy that is well funded, strong and close by? It will force them to build capacity, spend political capitol and treasure to face off against an Iran that has a VERY young population and has been living like the red headed stepchild of the middle east? Hell their lives are already shit what can the Saudis do to them.

Will it focus their anger more on each other and less on the Tribe (in the short term)? Is a locked and loaded ME with a weak Amerika a strategy to turn them on each other and weaken the region over the long term?

Has Obama been playing chess while the rest of us were playing checkers?

Are dogs and cats living together? Is there mass histeria (or just localized to me)?

Fuck I can feel the downvotes like a chill running down my spine....

rsnoble

Who knows. Possible. Neo-cons are capable of anything, including killing off their own, if they think they can come out ahead.

RaceToTheBottom

Compare the response of the FED to the 2007 Bankster crisis and the Oil Crisis (especially shale) now.

  • Banksters get bailed out so much that they have their largest bonuses ever.
  • Shale companies go down the toilet.

This country really needs a come to Jesus moment, and it isn't a stupid "Black lives matter" or "save unborn lives" or "Gays marrying is the most important thing in the world".

We are sliding into some Sci Fi crazy world reminiscent of some Star Trek show, only this one won't get solved in an hour.

[Jul 19, 2015] Shell Warns, Oil Price Recovery To Take 5 Years

"...The price of oil has fallen from more than $100 per barrel in June 2014 to under $60 today, and Brown said the company has believed for months that it will take until 2020 for the price to rise to a mere $90 per barrel."
"...It will take several years [for oil prices to recover fully], but we do believe fundamentals will return"
Jul 19, 2015 | Zero Hedge
Submitted by Andy Tully via OilPrice.com,

Ben van Beurden, the CEO of Royal Dutch Shell, and one of his senior executives envision low oil prices for some time unless energy producers cut production and the demand for fuel doesn't rebound.

In a wide-ranging interview with Oil & Gas Technology published July 14, van Beurden spoke of competing benefits of the low price of oil for fuel demand, and its liabilities for those who produce it.

"Low prices have big implications for exporting countries like Iran, Russia and Venezuela," he said.

"But also for shale-producers in the U.S., and even the domestic budgets of producers in the Gulf states. In consuming nations, low oil prices are an economic boon stimulating growth and demand."

For the near term, van Beurden pointed to one key forecast that this year will see more worldwide demand than in 2014. "Compared to last year, the International Monetary Fund expects the global economy to grow [in 2015]," he said. "So global oil demand is expected to grow as well."

But he stressed that many oil producers also are reluctant to explore and drill for oil because of smaller profit margins. Therefore, he said, "Supply … may even decline." As for Shell itself, though, he said, "We're determined to avoid a start-stop approach to investment."

As for the global market, Van Beurden said that at best, "a rapid recovery could occur if projects are postponed or even canceled. This would lead to less new supply – not so much now, but in two or three years. Combined with economic growth, the market could tighten quickly in this scenario."

But he pointed to one major snag in that view: U.S. shale oil. A boom in North American production over the past few years helped to create the glut that led to the steep decline in oil prices that began a year ago. OPEC, under the leadership of Saudi Arabia, decided to fight shale producers with a price war, hoping that keeping prices low would make shale extraction, already costly, unprofitable.

But if shale producers cut costs and take other steps to keep producing, van Beurden said, "With moderate economic growth, prices could stay low for longer."

Van Beurden qualified his outlook by stressing that "I can't predict the future," but his director of oil and gas production outside America gave a more specific view of Shell's expectations in a separate interview with Reuters, published July 16.

Andy Brown, a top Shell official, said the Anglo-Dutch oil giant forecasts no quick rebound in the average global price of oil, but only a gradual recovery lasting five years. He attributed this sluggishness to a slowdown in China's economy, leading a drop in demand for fuel, and the continuing oversupply of oil.

The price of oil has fallen from more than $100 per barrel in June 2014 to under $60 today, and Brown said the company has believed for months that it will take until 2020 for the price to rise to a mere $90 per barrel.

In fact, he said, that was a key driver for Shell to offer of $70 billion to buy rival BG Group more than three months ago. This not only supports van Beurden's insistence that low oil prices won't cause Shell to trim investments, but also expands Shell's capabilities in deepwater oil production and gives it immediate entree to markets for liquid natural gas (LNG).

"It will take several years [for oil prices to recover fully], but we do believe fundamentals will return," Brown said. "Until such time, we, like other companies, will have to make sure we stay robust."

[Jul 19, 2015] Paul Craig Roberts Greece's Lesson For Russia

"...The Wolfowitz doctrine, the basis of US foreign and military policy, declares that the rise of Russia or any other country cannot be permitted, because the US is the Uni-power and cannot tolerate any constraint on its unilateral actions. As long as this doctrine reigns in Washington, neither Russia, China, nor Iran, the nuclear agreement not withstanding, are safe. As long as Iran has an independent foreign policy, the nuclear agreement does not protect Iran, because any significant policy conflict with Washington can produce new justifications for sanctions."
"...If Obama were to dismiss Victoria Nuland, Susan Rice, and Samantha Power and replace these neoconservatives with sane diplomats, the outlook would improve. Then Russia, China, and Iran would have a better possibility of reaching accommodation with the US on terms other than vassalage."
"...With the deregulation that began in the Clinton regime, Western capitalism has become socially dysfunctional. In the US and throughout the West capitalism no longer serves the people. Capitalism serves the owners and managers of capital and no one else."
"...The "globalism" that is hyped in the West is inconsistent with Washington's unilateralism. No country with assets inside the Western system can afford to have policy differences with Washington. The French bank paid the $9 billion fine for disobeying Washington's dictate of its lending practices, because the alternative was the close down of its operations in the United States. The French government was unable to protect the French bank from being looted by Washington."

Jul 19, 2015 | Zero Hedge
Submitted by Paul Craig Roberts,

"Greece's debt can now only be made sustainable through debt relief measures that go far beyond what Europe has been willing to consider so far." - International Monetary Fund

Greece's lesson for Russia, and for China and Iran, is to avoid all financial relationships with the West. The West simply cannot be trusted. Washington is committed to economic and political hegemony over every other country and uses the Western financial system for asset freezes, confiscations, and sanctions. Countries that have independent foreign policies and also have assets in the West cannot expect Washington to respect their property rights or their ownership. Washington freezes or steals countries' assets, or in the case of France imposes multi-billion dollar fines, in order to force compliance with Washington's policies. Iran, for example, lost the use of $100 billion, approximately one-fourth of the Iranian GDP, for years simply because Iran insisted on its rights under the Non-Proliferation Treaty.

Russian journalists are asking me if Obama's willingness to reach a deal with Iran means there is hope a deal can be reached over Ukraine. The answer is No. Moreover, as I will later explain, the deal with Iran doesn't mean much as far as Washington is concerned.

Three days ago (July 14) a high ranking military officer, Gen. Paul Selva, the third in about as many days, told the US Senate that Russia is "an existential threat to this nation (the US)." Only a few days prior the Senate had heard the same thing from US Marine commander Joseph Dunford and from the Secretary of the Air Force. A few days before that, the Chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff warned of a Russian "hybrid threat."

Washington is invested heavily in using Ukraine against Russia. All the conflict there originates with Washington's puppet government in Kiev. Russia is blamed for everything, including the destruction of the Malaysian airliner. Washington has used false charges to coerce the EU into sanctions against Russia that are not in the EU's interest. As Washington has succeeded in coercing all of Europe to harm Europe's political and economic relationships with Russia and to enter into a state of conflict with Russia, certainly Washington is not going to agree to an Ukrainian settlement. Even if Washington wanted to do so, as Washington's entire position rests on nothing but propaganda, Washington would have to disavow itself in order to come to an agreement.

Despite everything, Russia's president and foreign minister continue to speak of the US and Washington's EU vassal states as "our partners." Perhaps Putin and Lavrov are being sarcastic. The most certain thing of our time is that Washington and its vassals are not partners of Russia.

The Wolfowitz doctrine, the basis of US foreign and military policy, declares that the rise of Russia or any other country cannot be permitted, because the US is the Uni-power and cannot tolerate any constraint on its unilateral actions.

As long as this doctrine reigns in Washington, neither Russia, China, nor Iran, the nuclear agreement not withstanding, are safe. As long as Iran has an independent foreign policy, the nuclear agreement does not protect Iran, because any significant policy conflict with Washington can produce new justifications for sanctions.

With the nuclear agreement with Iran comes the release of Iran's $100 billion in frozen Western balances. I heard yesterday a member of the Council for Foreign Relations say that Iran should invest its released $100 billion in US and Europe companies. If Iran does this, the Iranian government is setting itself up for further blackmail. Investing anywhere in the West means that Iran's assets can be frozen or confiscated at any time.

If Obama were to dismiss Victoria Nuland, Susan Rice, and Samantha Power and replace these neoconservatives with sane diplomats, the outlook would improve. Then Russia, China, and Iran would have a better possibility of reaching accommodation with the US on terms other than vassalage.

Russia and China, having emerged from a poorly functioning communist economic system, naturally regard the West as a model. It seems China has fallen for Western capitalism head over heels. Russia perhaps less so, but the economists in these two countries are the same as the West's neoliberal economists, which means that they are unwitting servants of Western financial imperialism. Thinking mistakenly that they are being true to economics, they are being true to Washington's hegemony.

With the deregulation that began in the Clinton regime, Western capitalism has become socially dysfunctional. In the US and throughout the West capitalism no longer serves the people. Capitalism serves the owners and managers of capital and no one else.

This is why US income inequality is now as bad or worse than during the "robber baron" era of the 1920s. The 1930s regulation that made capitalism a functioning economic system has been repealed. Today in the Western world capitalism is a looting mechanism. Capitalism not only loots labor, capitalism loots entire countries, such as Greece which is being forced by the EU to sell of Greece's national assets to foreign purchasers.

Before Putin and Lavrov again refer to their "American partners," they should reflect on the EU's lack of good will toward Greece. When a member of the EU itself is being looted and driven into the ground by its compatriots, how can Russia, China, and Iran expect better treatment? If the West has no good will toward Greece, where is the West's good will toward Russia?

The Greek government was forced to capitulate to the EU, despite the support it received from the referendum, because the Greeks relied on the good will of their European partners and underestimated the mendacity of the One Percent. The Greek government did not expect the merciless attitude of its fellow EU member governments. The Greek government actually thought that its expert analysis of the Greek debt situation and economy would carry weight in the negotiations. This expectation left the Greek government without a backup plan. The Greek government gave no thought to how to go about leaving the euro and putting in place a monetary and banking system independent of the euro. The lack of preparation for exit left the government with no alternative to the EU's demands.

The termination of Greece's fiscal sovereignty is what is in store for Italy, Spain, and Portugal, and eventually for France and Germany. As Jean-Claude Trichet, the former head of the European Central Bank said, the sovereign debt crisis signaled that it is time to bring Europe beyond a "strict concept of nationhood." The next step in the centralization of Europe is political centralization. The Greek debt crisis is being used to establish the principle that being a member of the EU means that the country has lost its sovereignty.

The notion, prevalent in the Western financial media, that a solution has been imposed on the Greeks is nonsense. Nothing has been solved. The conditions to which the Greek government submitted make the debt even less payable. In a short time the issue will again be before us. As John Maynard Keynes made clear in 1936 and as every economist knows, driving down consumer incomes by cutting pensions, employment, wages, and social services, reduces consumer and investment demand, and thereby GDP, and results in large budget deficits that have to be covered by borrowing. Selling pubic assets to foreigners transfers the revenue flows out of the Greek economy into foreign hands.

Unregulated naked capitalism, has proven in the 21st century to be unable to produce economic growth anywhere in the West. Consequently, median family incomes are declining. Governments cover up the decline by underestimating inflation and by not counting as unemployed discouraged workers who, unable to find jobs, have ceased looking. By not counting discouraged workers the US is able to report a 5.2 percent rate of unemployment. Including discouraged workers brings the unemployment rate to 23.1 percent. A 23 percent rate of unemployment has nothing in common with economic recovery.

Even the language used in the West is deceptive. The Greek "bailout" does not bail out Greece. The bailout bails out the holders of Greek debt. Many of these holders are not Greece's original creditors. What the "bailout" does is to make the New York hedge funds' bet on the Greek debt pay off for the hedge funds. The bailout money goes not to Greece but to those who speculated on the debt being paid. According to news reports, Quantitative Easing by the ECB has been used to purchase Greek debt from the troubled banks that made the loans, so the debt issue is no longer a creditor issue.

China seems unaware of the risk of investing in the US. China's new rich are buying up residential communities in California, forgetting the experience of Japanese-Americans who were herded into detention camps during Washington's war with Japan. Chinese companies are buying US companies and ore deposits in the US. These acquisitions make China susceptible to blackmail over foreign policy differences.

The "globalism" that is hyped in the West is inconsistent with Washington's unilateralism. No country with assets inside the Western system can afford to have policy differences with Washington. The French bank paid the $9 billion fine for disobeying Washington's dictate of its lending practices, because the alternative was the close down of its operations in the United States. The French government was unable to protect the French bank from being looted by Washington.

It is testimony to the insouciance of our time that the stark inconsistency of globalism with American unilateralism has passed unnoticed.

[Jul 14, 2015] Ukry starting to get worried about Trans-Carpthian separatism

yalensis, July 13, 2015 at 3:54 am

Ukry starting to get worried about Trans-Carpthian separatism:

Rada Deputy Boris Filatov, who belongs to Igor Kolomoisky's party, was outraged when he read some blogposts written by Trans-Carpathians. Who claimed that Trans-Carpathia was unjustly taken away from Slovaks and Hungarians in the 1950's.
Some of the Rusyns there say they are not Ukrainians, and never have been.

Filatov was outraged at some of this loose talk on blogs. He retorted on his own blog with the following proposed remedy to these separatist inclinations:

"Можете почитать, что публично пишут в своих бложиках некоторые местные деятели. Врачи! Жечь падаль каленым железом. Сажать и лишать имущества", - написал Филатов на своей странице в соцсети.

"You cannot even imagine what some of these local activists are scribbling in their blogs. I would brand these scum with a heated up iron. I would throw them in jail and confiscate their property."

yalensis:
Recall that Filatov made similar threats against Crimeans.
Which just scared them even further into escaping from the tender embraces of Ukrainian nazis.
I am betting most Rusyns also wish they could opt out of this Ukrainian "prison of nations" and become part of Slovakia or Hungary. Unfortunately, they don't have that option, so they are stuck in this abusive relationship.

Link:
http://www.politnavigator.net/deputat-verkhovnojj-rady-o-rusinakh-zakarpatya-zhech-padal-kalenym-zhelezom.html

[Jul 14, 2015] Ukraine government in armed standoff with nationalist militia

"... Can we officially congratulate Nuland for a crappy job and also for providing Putin with all the tools he needed to bring back Ukraine under his wing.
False flag operations for American private interests must stop now. They are immoral, unethical and only bring death and destruction to otherwise stable societies. The UN should have a say."

.
"...this is what happens when you play with fire: you get burned. Using Neo-Nazi's to implement Nato expansionist policies was always a very bad idea. It's just a shame it is not people like Victoria 'fuck the EU' Nuland who will have to suffer the blowback consequences- it is the poor Ukrainian people. This is not that different to what has happened in Libya- where Islamic extremists were used as a proxy force to oust Gaddafi."

The Guardian

HollyOldDog gimmeshoes 13 Jul 2015 20:40

The Georgian authorities have asked Interpol to put a Red notice on Mikheil Saakashvili as the request to Ukraine to return him for trial in Georgia was refused.
ww3orbust PrinceEdward 13 Jul 2015 20:22
That does not detract from the fact that the Ukranian cabinet has been chosen by the US state department. Natives of the US, Georgia and Lithuania were hastily granted Ukrainian citizenship in order to maintain an iron grip on Ukraine, while accusing Putin of appointing majors or governors - in his capacity as head of state?
ww3orbust 13 Jul 2015 20:16
Amazing, nothing at all mentioned by the BBC. It does not fit in to their narrative to see the country descend into a new stage of anarchy, between the people who murdered police and protesters on Maidan square, and the US state department installed cabinet. Presumably if Right Sector refuse to disarm and continue torturing civilians and murdering police, the BBC will continue to ignore it and focus instead on its Russo-phobic narrative, while accusing Russia of propaganda with the self-righteous piety that only the BBC are capable of. Or god forbid, more stories about what colour stool our future king has produced this week.
jgbg Omniscience 13 Jul 2015 18:42

Diverse Unity sounds much better than Nazi

http://rt.com/files/news/russia-national-unity-day-celebrations-976/russian-attend-demonstration-national-261.jpg

The thing is, Ukraine is unique in allowing their Nazi thugs to be armed and have some semi-official status. Everywhere else (including Russia), governments are looking to constrain the activities of Nazis and prosecute them where possible.

jgbg Pwedropackman 13 Jul 2015 18:26

If it was not for the right sector, Ukraine would still be one united nation.

Them and Svoboda. If it had just been Orange Revolution II, with a simple change of Jewish oligarchs in charge, there might have been some complaints but little more. It is the Russian-hating far right that has brought about the violence and everything that has happened since.

PrinceEdward GreatMountainEagle 13 Jul 2015 18:22

Last I heard, Ukraine owes China billions for undelivered Grain.

HollyOldDog gimmeshoes 13 Jul 2015 18:11

But the Euro maidan press is just an Ukrainian rag that invents stories to support its corrupt government in Kiev.

jgbg PrinceEdward 13 Jul 2015 17:54

I forget the article, but in the comments I mentioned that multiple Georgians were being appointed to high level positions by Kiev, and some Russophobe called me a liar.

Not a few days later, Shakashvilli was appointed governor of Odessa. An ex-president of another country, as governor of a province in another one! Apparently, none of the millions upon millions of Ukrainians were qualified for the job.

Sakashvilli's former Minister of Internal Affairs in Georgia, Eka Zguladze, is First Deputy Minister of Internal Affairs of Ukraine. Of course, the Georgian people removed these chumps from power the first chance they got but the Ukrainian electorate haven't had any say in the appointments of foreigners in their country.

Vatslav Rente , 13 Jul 2015 17:44

Well ... when it comes to Ukraine, the need to stock up on popcorn. This bloody and unpredictable plot is not even in the "Game of Thrones." And this is only the middle of the second season.
Today Speaker of the "RS" Andrew Sharaskin, said: Sports Complex in Mukachevo where the shooting occurred, was used as the base of the separatists DNR.
- A place 1,000 kilometers from Donetsk! But it's a great excuse to murder the guard in the café and wounded police officers.
I think tomorrow will say that there have seen Russian Army tanks and Putin - 100%
"Ukraine is part of Europe" - the slogans of the Maidan in action...

jgbg gimmeshoes , 13 Jul 2015 17:42

Pravyi Sektor were not wrong. However, you cannot have armed groups cleaning up corruption outside the law...that only works in Gotham City.

Right Sector weren't trying to clean up corruption, they were simply trying to muscle in on the cigarette smuggling business. If Right Sector cared about crime and public order, they wouldn't be driving around, armed to the teeth, in vehicles stolen in the EU. (In the video linked in the article, all of their vehicles have foreign number plates. At least one of those vehicles is on the Czech police stolen vehicle database: http://zpravy.idnes.cz/pravy-sektor-mel-v-mukacevu-auta-s-ceskymi-spz-fqj-/zahranicni.aspx?c=A150713_102110_zahranicni_jj)

Right Sector are no strangers to such thuggery - remember their failed attempt to extort a casino in Odessa?

Laurence Johnson, 13 Jul 2015 17:18
The EU and the US have stated on many occasions that there are "No Right Wing Nationalists" operating in Ukraine and its simply propaganda by Putin.

So there shouldn't be anything to worry about should there ?


Stas Ustymenko hfakos 13 Jul 2015 15:15

Yes, yes. You seem to tolerate Medvedchuk and Baloga mafias way better, for years.
Transcarpathian REgion is the most corrupt in all of Ukraine (which is quite a fit). What we see here is a gang war in fatigues.


tanyushka Jeff1000 13 Jul 2015 15:14

sorry i posted the same above... i was just to hasty.. sorry again...

in the main picture of the same article it's interesting to notice the age of most of the conscripted soldiers... they are in their 30's, theirs 40's and even in their 50's... it's forced conscription, they are not volunteers... while all the DPR & LPR soldiers are real volunteers...

an uncle, the father of a cousin, was conscripted in Kherson... my cousin had to run away to South American to say with an aunt to avoid conscription... many men are doing it in Ukraine nowadays... not because they are cowards but because they don't want to kill their brothers & sisters for the benefit of the oligarchs and their NATO masters (and mistresses...)

did you know that all the conscripts have to pay for their own uniforms and other stuff, while in the National Guard and the oligarchs batallions everything is top quality and for free... including bulletproof vests and other implements courtesy of NATO

Demi Boone 13 Jul 2015 15:13

Well finally they reveal themselves. These Ukraine Nationalists are the people who instigated the anarchy and shootings at Maidan and used it as an excuse to wrongfully drive out an elected President and in the chaos that followed bring in a coup Government which represents only West-Ukraine and suppress' East-Ukraine. You are looking at the face of the real Maidan and not the dream that a lot of people have tried to paint it to be.

Stas Ustymenko MartinArvay 13 Jul 2015 15:11

Many Right Sector members are indeed patriots. But it looks like the organisation itself is, sadly, much more useful for providing thugs for hire than "justice".

BMWAlbert PrinceEdward 13 Jul 2015 14:20

But seriously, the naval base is probably the reason, it is too important for some interests to have a less-reliable (Ukrainian) in charge, this is a job only for the most trusted poodles. If things had gone differently, the tie-eatimng chap would have been appointed Mayor of Sebastopol.

BMWAlbert PrinceEdward 13 Jul 2015 14:15

There appears to be a Quisling-shortage in Ukraine at present.

Stas Ustymenko obscurant 13 Jul 2015 13:32

More accurately, Kolomoyskiy is Ukrainian oligarch. Who happens to be ethnically, culturally and, by all accounts, religiously, a Jew.

Stas Ustymenko Kaiama 13 Jul 2015 13:24

Ukrainian Volunteer Corps of the Right Sector fighting in Donbass is two battalions. How is this a "key organization"? They are a well-known brand and fought bravely on some occasions, but the wider org is way too eager to brandish arms outside of combat or training. They will be reigned in, one way or another, and soon.

GameOverManGameOver Jeff1000 13 Jul 2015 12:02

Shh shh shh. This news does not exist yet in the western media, therefore it's nothing but Russian propaganda.

Jeff1000 13 Jul 2015 11:54

It gets worse - soldiers from the UA are now refusing to follow orders in protest against the total anarchy sweeping the chain of command, and their lack of rest and equipment.

Story here.

EugeneGur , 13 Jul 2015 11:21

Tensions have been rising between the government and the Right Sector militia that has helped it fight pro-Russian separatists in the east of the country.

Finally, the Guardian decided to report the actual new after satisfying itself with ample discussion of the quality of Russian cheeses. Right sector "helped" to fight "separatists"? Really? Does Alec Luhn know that there are currently two (!) RS battalions at the front and 19 (!) inside Ukraine? They are some warriors. Now they are occupying themselves fighting as criminals they are for the control of contraband.

At the ATO zone, they help consists of plundering, murdering and raping the local population. They enter a village, take everything of value from houses and then blow them up. They rape women and girls as young as 10 years old. They've been doing this for more than a year, and we've been telling you that for more than a year. But apparently in the fight against "pro-Russian separatists" everything is good. These crimes are so widespread, even the Ukrainian "government" is worried this will eventually becomes impossible to deny. Some battalions such as Shakhtersk and Aidar have been officially accused of crimes and ompletely or partially reformed.
Examples:
http://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/EUR50/040/2014/en/
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=bfb_1413804655

Jeremn, 13 Jul 2015 11:16

Ukraine, what a mess. As though it was ever about the people. It was a grab for resources, 19-century style. But with 21st-century stakes. You can see what the West is after when you look at the US-Ukraine Business Council. It bring NATO, Monsanto and the Heritage Foundation under one roof:

The US-Ukraine Business Council's 16-member Executive Committee is packed with US agribusiness companies, including representatives from Monsanto, John Deere, DuPont Pioneer, Eli Lilly, and Cargill.

The Council's 20 'senior Advisors' include James Greene (Former Head of NATO Liason Office Ukraine); Ariel Cohen (Senior Research Fellow for The Heritage Foundation); Leonid Kozachenko (President of the Ukrainian Agrarian Confederation); six former US Ambassadors to Ukraine, and the former ambassador of Ukraine to the US, Oleh Shamshur.

Stas Ustymenko Jeremn 13 Jul 2015 11:14

You'd be surprised, but I like Bandera (controversial as he was) way more than I trust some people who wrap themselves in his red-and-black Rebel banner. Yarosh included. Banderite rebellion ended 60 years ago. Its major goal was establishing a "united, free Ukrainian state"; by contrast, stated ultimate goals of the Right Sector are way murkier; I'm not sure even most of the movement's members are clear on what these are.
With present actions, Right Sector has a huge image problem in the West. If it will come to all-out conflict, no doubt the West will back Poroshenko government over a loose confederation of armed dudes linked by the thin thread of 30ies ideology (suspect even then). And the West will be right.

Stas Ustymenko Nik2 13 Jul 2015 11:03

Methinks you're way overselling a thug turf war as "major political event. Truth is, the region has been long in the hands of organized crime. The previous regime incorporated and controlled almost all organized crime in the country, hence no visible conflict. Now, individual players try to use temporary uncertainty to their advantage. Right Sector claims they were trying to fight the smuggling, but this doesn't sound plausible. The word is, what's behind the events is struggle for control over lucrative smuggling between two individuals (who are both "businessmen" and "politicians", members of Parliament). Both are old-school players, formerly affiliated with Yanukovitch party. One just was savvy enough to buy himself some muscle under Right Sector banner. Right Sector will either have to straighten out its fighters (which it may not be able to do) or disappear as a political player. I fail to see how people see anything "neo-Nazi" in this gang shootout.

PaddyCannuck Cavirac 13 Jul 2015 10:21

Nobody here is an apologist for Stalin, who was a brutal and cruel despot, and the deportations of the Crimean Tatars were quite indefensible. However, a few observations might lend some perspective.

1. Crimea has been invaded and settled by an almost endless succession of peoples over the millennia. The Crimean Tatars (who are of Turkic origin) were by no means the first, nor indeed the last, and cannot in any meaningful sense be regarded as the indigenous people of Crimea.
2. The Crimean Tatars scarcely endeared themselves to the Russians, launching numerous raids, devastating many towns, including the burning of Moscow in 1571, and sending hundreds of thousands, if not millions of Russians into slavery in the Ottoman Empire.
3. The deportations took place in 1942 - 1943 against the backdrop of World War II, when a lot of bad stuff happened, including -
4. The American (and also Canadian) citizens of Japanese ethnicity who had their property confiscated and were likewise shipped off to camps. Their treatment, if anything, was worse.

Sevastopol, Pearl Harbor. What's the difference? What's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

tanyushka Pwedropackman 13 Jul 2015 10:10

http://rt.com/news/207899-un-anti-nazism-resolution/

http://www.un.org/en/ga/third/69/docs/voting_sheets/L56.Rev1.pdf

do these links answer your question?

tanyushka 13 Jul 2015 09:55

meanwhile last night & this morning, just to distract the people of what is going on in the West, Kiev launched a massive shelling over Donetsk and other places in Donbass using weapons forbbiden by the Minsk agreements, including Tor missiles, one of which fell at a railway station but didn't explode... it was defused by emergency workers but the proof is there if you care to see... it was thesecond biggest attack since the cease fire...

Nik2 6i9vern 13 Jul 2015 09:53

Not exactly. By now, BBC has made good coverage of these events in Ukrainian and Russian languages, but not in English. It looks like BBC considers that Western public does not deserve the politically sad truth about armed clashes between "champions of Maidan Revolution" and "new democratic authorities, fighting corruption". Western public should not be in doubt about present-day "pro-European" Ukraine. And "The Guardian" still has only one article on the issue that could be a turning point in Ukrainian politics. This is propaganda, not informing about or analyzing really serious political events.

VictorWhisky 13 Jul 2015 09:51

This is the IMF hired guns now going after the very people who helped the Wall Street IMF shysters in the illegitimate coup and the set up of the illegitimate Kiev junta, a mix of half Ukrainian and non-Ukrainian mongrels. Furthermore, instead of bringing in the people who helped overthrow Janukovich into the government fold, the IMF is placing it's foreign collaborators in ministerial positions by making them instant Ukrainian citizens, while keeping the right wing, without whose help the coup would not have succeeded, out of government and slowly trying to eliminate them with their private foreign mercenary force. Madame "F*ck the EU Nuland from the US state department bordello, a devout Zionist, enticed these supposed Ukrainian NAZIs to help her in her dirty deeds, no doubt with promises of power sharing. So madame Nuland was perfectly willing to get in bed with the Ukrainian NAZI devils (her Jewish friend should be proud) and when the dirty deed was done, she is now turning against Ukrainian nationalists in the attempt to have outside forces in control of Ukraine. Madame Nuland is not as intelligent or capable as portrayed, because if she was, she would have known Ukraine has a very delicate and very complicated political structure and history with nearly half the country speaking Russian and more loyal to the Russians than to the US. An intelligent person familiar with Ukrainian history would know any attempt of placing a US stooge in Kiev would certainly result in a civil war. She no doubt got her position not by intelligence but by connections. More than 6000 Ukrainians, human beings, innocent men women and children, have died in madame Nuland's engineered coup, putting her in league with her mentor, Henry Kissinger, aka the butcher of Vietnam. That intelligent idiot's policies resulted in the death of 3 million Vietnamese and 50,000 young Americans. Does madame Nuland intend to sacrifice that many Ukrainians to prove her ultimate stupidity?

Jeremn Luminaire 13 Jul 2015 09:51

The conscripts didn't want to shoot their fellow Ukrainians. The nationalists don't believe the people in the east are their fellow Ukrainians.


Jeremn DrMacTomjim 13 Jul 2015 09:43

Yes. But meanwhile the Atlantic Council tells us this is why more Ukrainians admire nationalists.

Because they were lovely guys, evidently, and their "popularity" has nothing to do with armed thugs beating you up if you say anything against them (or the state prosecuting you for denying or questioning their heroism).


Jeremn jezzam 13 Jul 2015 09:35


Ukrainian media, reporting Ukrainian government official:

In his article for the Dzerkalo Tyzhnia (Weekly Mirror) newspaper Ukrainian Prosecutor General Vitaliy Yarema wrote that 74 peaceful citizens and 12 policemen had been killed in Kyiv downtown on February 18-20, 2014, while 180 citizens and over 180 law enforcers had suffered gunshot wounds.

12 police dead in two days, 180 wounded with gunshot wounds.

Still Kremlin lies?


Jeff1000 13 Jul 2015 09:30

Thank God Ukraine is finally free and democratic. The old autocratic regime actually had the gall to make running street battles illegal - but those dark days are in the past. In the liberated Ukraine you are free spend the dollar a day you get paid on a bullet proof vest so the rampant Nazi street gangs don't kill you.


Jeremn SHappens 13 Jul 2015 09:26

You'd be surprised, there are Bandera-lovers in the UK too. There's a Bandera museum. And there is this lot, teaching Christian values to children. And telling them that Bandera was a hero. Future Right Sector supporters being crafted as we type.

6i9vern 13 Jul 2015 09:24

The Ukrainian sub-saharan African minimum wage is now being accompanied by Somali-style politics.

Luckily, the Russians have liberated Crimea so piracy on the high seas isn't an option for the Ukrainians.


6i9vern 13 Jul 2015 09:18

Apparently, UAVs generously supplied to Ukrainians by the Canadian taxpayers are being put to good use smuggling cigarettes into Slovakia.

6i9vern 13 Jul 2015 09:12

The BBC are bravely sticking to their decision not to report this story. Congratulations are in order for such dedication.

The graun protected its readership from this confusing information for 24 hours and then caved to the temptation to report news. Too bad.


aucontraire2 13 Jul 2015 08:36

Can we officially congratulate Nuland for a crappy job and also for providing Putin with all the tools he needed to bring back Ukraine under his wing.
False flag operations for American private interests must stop now. They are immoral, unethical and only bring death and destruction to otherwise stable societies. The UN should have a say.

SomersetApples 13 Jul 2015 08:25

The country is bankrupt; the Kiev putschists are selling off the country's assets to their New York allies, the oligarchs and Nazis are at war against each other and the illegal putschist government and now toilet mouth Nuland is back on the scene. Looks like a scene form Dante's Inferno.

todaywefight Polvilho 13 Jul 2015 07:54

Which Russian invasion will this be the of he approximately 987 mentioned by Poroshenko and our man Yatz...or are you referring to the people of the AUTONOMOUS REPUBLIC OF CRIMEA's (yes that was what was called after the 1994 referendum) massive wishes to (like Donbass) go against a government who illegally dismissed an elected president a wish that was reflected on a referendum which was allowed by their constitution 18(7)

Bosula Scepticbladderballs 13 Jul 2015 07:38

Yes. Most of the protesters are good people who just want a better deal in life.


monteverdi1610 13 Jul 2015 06:54

Remember all those CIF threads when those of us who pointed to the neo-Nazis in Ukraine were immediately called ' Putinbots ' ?
PS/ Apologies would be the order of the day , perhaps ?

Sturney 13 Jul 2015 06:49

Apparently this conflict is over. Temporarily over. Anyway in ever-contracting economy, in a Mariana trench between Russia and EU, in the most totalitarian country in history, such conflicts will continue. Since Nuland tossed yeast in the outhouse nobody can stop fermentation of sh*t. Help yourself with some beer and shrimps. I am looking forward when these masses splash out to EU, preferably to Poland. Must be fun to watch. (Lipspalm)

Justin Obisesan 13 Jul 2015 06:33

In the run-up to the Euro 2012 football tournament, jointly hosted by Poland and Ukraine, I remember how the media in this country worked themselves into a frenzy harping on about the presence of violent neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine. After the removal of Mr Yanukovych from office, the same media organisations changed their tune by describing any talk of neo- Nazis in Ukraine as "Russian propaganda". The Western media coverage of the Ukrainian crises has been so blatantly pro-Kiev and anti-Donbass that their claims of impartiality and objectivity cannot be taken seriously anymore.


Jeremn jgbg 13 Jul 2015 06:16

It is fine when they are shooting at Donetsk, but not so good when they use the same tactics in western Ukraine.

Azov are the same, violent neo-Nazi thugs given authority, and this article notes that PrivatBank is the bank that services requests for donations to the Azov funds, using J P Morgan as intermidiary.

Neither Azov nor Right Sector want peace. On 3 July 4,000 men from these units protested in Kiev, calling for resumption of the war against the eastern provinces.

They favour ethnic cleansing.


Jeremn William Fraser 13 Jul 2015 06:10

The people who support Bandera are in western Ukraine. They are the ones who say Stalin starved the Ukrainian people.

Trouble is, in the 1930s, western Ukraine belonged to Poland.

It was the Russians, eastern Ukrainians and other Soviet people who starved, not the western Ukrainians.


Kefirfan 13 Jul 2015 06:02

Good, good. Let the democracy flow through you...

Pwedropackman SHappens 13 Jul 2015 05:53

It will be interesting to see which side the US and Canada will support. Probably Poroshenko and the Oligarchs because the Right Sector is not so happy about the ongoing sales of Ukraine infrastructure to US corporates.


SHappens 13 Jul 2015 05:14

Harpers' babies are out manifesting, supporting the good guys:

"Supporters of Ukraine's Right Sector extremist group rallied in Ottawa Sunday amid the radicals' ongoing standoff with police in western Ukraine."

The rally outside the Ukrainian embassy was organized by the Right Sector's representative office in the Canadian capital, 112 Ukraine TV channel reported, citing the Facebook account of the so-called Ukrainian Volunteer Corps.


careforukraine 13 Jul 2015 05:09

I wonder how long it will be before the us denounces nazi's in ukraine?
Kind of seems like we have seen this all before.
Almost like how ISIS were just freedom fighters that needed our support until ?.....
Well we all know what happened there.

Pwedropackman 13 Jul 2015 05:04

If it was not for the right sector, Ukraine would still be one united nation.


GameOverManGameOver Chris Gilmore 13 Jul 2015 04:41

Yes, I agree, they do wreck the economy. That was my point. Russia want's strong economies to do business with, not broken economies that only ask for financial aid.

Like I said, no evidence of Russian troops in Donbass and South Ossetia asked for the presence of Russian troops to deter the Georgian government from trying another invasion.

And organisations like CIS are meant to expand economic ties. Just like the EU I suppose. They function in pretty much the same way with everyone getting a chance to lead. So I don't know why that should be a bad thing. Since the EU is not interested in admitting Russia why can't Russia go to other organisations?

VladimirM Dmitriy Grebenyuk 13 Jul 2015 04:26

It's a poisonous sarcasm, I think. But I've heard that RS accuse the Ukrainian government of being pro-Putin as the govermment accuse them of being Russian agents. Surreal a bit.


stewfen FOHP46 13 Jul 2015 04:24

The west would not have dialogue with Russia because it was not what Washington wanted. Washington wanted to push a wedge between Russia and EU at any cost even 6500 lives and unfortunately they succeeded


GameOverManGameOver Chris Gilmore 13 Jul 2015 03:54

I'll admit that frozen conflicts could be useful to Russia. But only from a security point of view. And why not, exactly? NATO is Russia's biggest threat, so it would make sense for the government to want to avoid it expanding any further. I understand your misgivings since you're speaking from the position that NATO should expand to deter Russi…I mean 'Iran', but surely you understand that Russia wanting to prevent that makes logical sense? Sure, it's at someone else's expense but let's not pretend that big countries doing something at someone else's expense is a new and revolutionary concept reserved only to Russia. And the Georgian conflict dates back to the very early 90's.

From an economic point of view though, no sense at all. Frozen conflicts usually bring economic barriers. Believe it or not Russia's priority isn't expansion, but the economy. And trade with it's neighbours is an important element of the Russian economy. It's very hard to trade with areas that are in the middle of a frozen conflict. So in that sense the last thing Russia would want are profitable areas in a frozen conflict around it's borders hampering it's economic growth.

And none of this has anything to do with Marioupol.


Debreceni 13 Jul 2015 03:38

The Right Sector does not exist, or if it does, it has been created by Moscow. The crisis in Greece is also the work of Russian agents. The ISIS is financed and trained by Putin. Ebola was cooked up in a laboratory in Saint Petersburg. Look for the Russian!


Kaiama PrinceEdward 13 Jul 2015 02:50

We don't know if PS were also doing it as well or just poking their noses into someone else's business. Who started it? I doubt the correct answer will ever be known. Two unsavoury groups arguing about an illegal business. The problem is that the MP is an MP whereas PS is a national organisation.


DrMacTomjim 13 Jul 2015 02:04

"Note to Ukraine: Time to Reconsider Your Historic Role Models" Someone wrote this a bit late.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/nikolas-kozloff/note-to-ukraine-time-to-r_b_7453506.html


DrMacTomjim hisimperialmajesty 13 Jul 2015 02:01

"neo-Chekists" That's new to me.... Are you sure they are not "Just doing their jobs" ?
Did you read the Nafeez Ahmed piece someone linked ? Here (if you didn't)

https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/secret-pentagon-report-reveals-west-saw-isis-as-strategic-asset-b99ad7a29092

And this from Foreign Affairs

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/libya/2015-02-16/obamas-libya-debacle

It's never the US....it's never the West.....
(you know, to balance things) : )


todaywefight 13 Jul 2015 01:53

If any one on the other side, the dark side, ever thought that these lot will hold hands with any one, lay down their arms and sing Kumbaya, uou are either utterly naive or willfully ignorant. Apparently, these lot have 23 battalions, armed to their teeth, the added bonus for the Privy Sektor is that , due to expedience and cowardice , they have just made legal and incorporated into the Ukrainian army, Kyiv is in a highway to nowhere.

Incidentally, unlike the maidan demonstrations which essentially were only in Kyiv there are demonstrations in more than a dozen cities, and have established dozen of check points already and Yarosh a member of the VT. have clearly instructed them to fight if necessary.


GameOverManGameOver Omniscience 13 Jul 2015 01:35

So? Yes there are nationalists in Russia, just like everywhere else. You get a gold star for googling. Shall I get some articles with European and American nationalists to parade around to make a vague point? If you want I can get you an article of Lithuanians dressed up as the Waffen SS parading around Vilnius. That's Lithuania the EU and Nato member. Funny how EU principles disappear when it's one of their own violating them.

You seem to be missing the point entirely. While all countries have their nationalists, those nationalists are a very small minority, have no power, have no popular support, have no seats in government, usually derided by the majority of the population and they certainly aren't armed to the teeth roaming around the country killing, torturing and kidnapping people with the blessing of their government


HollyOldDog Joe way 13 Jul 2015 00:09

The Right Sector were / are Ukrains Storm Troopers who have had more advanced training by the Americans. If the Right Sector turn on the Kiev Government they will be difficult to defeat, and who knows if the civilian population of Ukraine may join in the 'fun' by ousting the current unpopular Ukrainian government.


sorrentina 12 Jul 2015 23:35

this is what happens when you play with fire: you get burned. Using Neo-Nazi's to implement Nato expansionist policies was always a very bad idea. It's just a shame it is not people like Victoria 'fuck the EU' Nuland who will have to suffer the blowback consequences- it is the poor Ukrainian people. This is not that different to what has happened in Libya- where Islamic extremists were used as a proxy force to oust Gaddafi.

annamarinja jgbg 12 Jul 2015 23:31

The threshold has been guessed impatiently by the US neocons (while the provocateur Higgins/ Bellingcat fed the gullible the fairy tales about Russian army in Ukraine). The US needs desperately a real civil war in Ukraine, the Ukrainians be damned. Just look what the US-sponsored "democracy on the march" has produced in the Middle East. Expect the same bloody results in eastern Europe.


annamarinja obscurant 12 Jul 2015 23:25

perhaps you do not realize that your insults are more appropriate towards the poor Ukrainians that have been left destitute by the cooky-carrying foreigners and their puppets in Kiev. The Ukrainian gold reserve has disappeared... meanwhile, the US Congress has shamed the US State Dept for collaborating with Ukrainian neo-nazis. Stay tuned. But do not expect to hear real news from your beloved Faux News.

annamarinja quorkquork 12 Jul 2015 23:14

the jihadists in Ukraine are the integral part of Iraqization of Ukraine. The lovers of Nuland's cookies are still in denial that Ukraine was destined by the US plutocrats to become a sacrificial lamb in a fight to preserve the US dollar hegemony.


Bud Peart 12 Jul 2015 22:59

Well we always knew it would end this way. With a stalemate in the war with the East the Right wing paramilitaries and private oligarch militias (whom the west funded and trained) have gone completely feral and are now in fighting directly with whats left of the Ukrainian National Army. This is pretty much the rode to another breakaway in Galacia which would effectively end the Ukraine as a functional state.

The government should move as fast as possible to get a decent federal structure (copy switzerland) in place before the whole of the West goes into revolt as well.


DelOrtoyVerga LostJohnny 12 Jul 2015 22:38

That is what you get when you put fascists in your government.

I rather reword it to

That is what you get when you enable and rely on thugish pseudo-fascist radical para-military groups to impose order by force and violence against dissident segments of your own population (which is armed to the teeth probably by Russia)


Bosula Scepticbladderballs 12 Jul 2015 22:37

What do you think it is?

There were several people identified directly or indirectly in this BBC story whose stories should have been formally pursued by legal authorities in Kiev.

If you lived in the West you would understand that we call these references as possible 'leads' - you follow these 'leads' and see where they take you. That is what Western police do.

The story says that Kiev didn't want to follow up any of these points. Why? What harm could this do?

You state that you do not understand the point that this BBC journalist was making. But I have in a fair way tried to to explain the point that the BBC was making.

This story caused quite a stir went it came out - and the BBC chose to stick with it and support their British reporter. In an edited and shorter form the story is still on the BBC - the editing is also acknowledged by the BBC.

Do you think the BBC should have blocked or not published this investigative piece?

If so - why?

And why hasn't Kiev followed up these issues?

Have I addressed your point yet?


HollyOldDog Scepticbladderballs 12 Jul 2015 21:34

I am just watching a program recorded earlier. Hiroshima: The Aftermath. I have got past the part when the Japanese 'survivors' had to drink from the pools of Black Rain ( highly radioactive) and watched the part when American Army Tourists visited the city to take a few photos ( no medical help though) while gawking at the gooks. In fact the Japanese civilians recieved no medical assistance at all from the Americans. The commentator just said that they were just there to study the effects of nuclear radiation on a civilian population. These nuclear bombs were just dropped on Japan to save One Day of the surrender of the Japanese forces.

The next documtary I will watch another day is the sinking of the Tirpitz by the RAF using Tallboy bombs. At least this had a useful pupose in helping to stop the destruction of the North Atlantic convoys, sending aid to Russia. That aid along with the rebuilding of the Soviet Armies helped the Soviet Union to destroy the invading Nazi forces and provided a Second Front to the Western Allies to invade Normandy. A lot of good can be achieved when the East and West work together - maybe avoiding the worst effects of Global Warming but the Americans only seem to want to spend Trillions $ building more powerful nuclear weapons. Is this all that America has now, an Arms Industry - I can see it now, cooling the planet with a Nuclear Winter.


HollyOldDog Scepticbladderballs 12 Jul 2015 20:33

The USA caused the chaos in Ukraine so they must pay the billions of $ to fix it then leave Ukraine alone.


6i9vern 12 Jul 2015 20:29

One of the amusing features of the Soviet media was the long silences it maintained on possibly embarrassing breaking news until it became clear what the Party Line was.

Eventually, a memo would go out from Mikhail Suslov's office to various media outlets and the silence would be broken.

At least everyone knew exactly how that system worked. What is happening with the British media is much more murky.

The beeb/graun seem to be the Pravda/Izvestia, whilst the torygraph is a sort of Trybuna Ludu - ie real news very occasionally appears in it.

6i9vern 12 Jul 2015 20:08

So, after a mere 24 hours the Graun ran a story on Mukachevo. The Torygraph actually had the nerve to run the AFP wire report more or less straight away.

The BBC are still keeping shtum.

The Beeb/Graun complex have well and truly had the frighteners put on them.

PrinceEdward Kaiama 12 Jul 2015 20:07

There's no doubt. I agree that the MP was probably running cigarettes, but also Right Sektor was going to muscle in.

If you asked somebody 3 years ago if Ukraine would be rocked by armed bands with RPGs and Light Machine Guns fighting in towns, they would have thought you were crazy.

This isn't Russia, this is the Ultranats/Neo-Nazis.


PrinceEdward obscurant 12 Jul 2015 20:05

Right, it's the people in Donbass who bury 14th SS Division veterans with full honors, push for full pensions to surviving Hiwi and SS Collaborators... not those in Lvov. Uh huh.


BMWAlbert 12 Jul 2015 20:04

11 months of investigations by the newKiev regime, attempting to implicate the the prior one for the murder of about 100 people in Kiev early last year was unsuccessful. There may be better candidates here.


fragglerokk ploughmanlunch 12 Jul 2015 19:55

It always amazes me that the far right never learn from history. The politicians and oligarchs always use them as muscle to ensure coup success then murder/assasinate the leaders to make sure they dont get any ideas about power themselves. Surprised its taken so long in ukraine but then the govt is barely hanging onto power and the IMF loans have turned to a trickle so trouble will always be brewing, perhaps theyve left it too long this time. Nobody will be shedding any tears for the Nazis and Banderistas.


hisimperialmajesty Scepticbladderballs 12 Jul 2015 19:54

Why, don't you know? They infiltrated Ukraine, the CIA (and NATO and the EU somehow) created Maidan, their agents killed the protesters, then they overthrew a legitimate government and installed a neo-nazi one, proceeded to instigate a brutal oppression against Russian speakers, then started a war against the peaceful Eastern Ukrainians and their innocent friends in the Kremlin, etc etc. Ignorant question that, by now you should know the narrative!


Kaiama gimmeshoes 12 Jul 2015 19:53

If you think Pryvi Sektor want to "clean up" then yes, but not in the way you imagine - they just want the business for themselves.


Geordiemartin 12 Jul 2015 19:51

I am reminded of AJP Taylor premise that Eastern Europe has historically had either German domination or Russian protection.

The way that the Ukrainian government had treated their own Eastern compatriots leaves little reason to believe they would be welcome back into the fold and gives people of Donbass no reason to want to rejoin the rest of the country.

If government is making an effort to reign in the likes of Right sector it is a move in the right direction but much much more will be needed to establish any trust.


Some Guy yataki 12 Jul 2015 19:45

just because they are nazis doesnt mean they are happy about doing any of this... now. look at greece and the debacle that has unfolded over the past week has been . the west ukraine wanted to be part of the euro zone and wanted some of that ecb bail out money. now they are not even sure if they could skip out on the bill and know they are fighting for nothing . russia gave them 14 bil dollars . the west after the coup only gave the 1 bil


Andor2001 Kaiama 12 Jul 2015 19:44

According to the eyewitnesses the RS shot a guard when he refused to summon the commanding officer. It was the beginning of the fight.


Andor2001 yataki 12 Jul 2015 19:41

Remember Shakespeare "Othello"? Moor has done his job, Moor has to go..
The neo-Nazis have outlived their usefulness.


Bosula caaps02 12 Jul 2015 19:39

The BBC investigative reported earlier this year that a section of Maidan protesters deliberately started shooting the police. This story was also reported in the Guardian. Google and you will easily find it.

The BBC also reported that the Prosecutors Office in Kiev was forbidden by Rada officials from investigating Maiden shooters.

Maybe the BBC is telling us a lie? The BBC investigation is worth a read - then you can make up your own mind.


Bosula William Fraser 12 Jul 2015 19:29

Kazakhstan had the highest percentage of deaths from Stalin's policies in this period when he prevented the nomad herders moving from the mountains to the planes to take advantage of the benefits of seasons and weather.

Stalin forced the nomads to stay in one area and they perished in the cold of the mountains or the heat of the summer plains (whichever zone they were foced to stay in).

Some of my family is Ukrainian and some recognise that Stalin's policies weren't specifically aimed at Ukrainians - the people of Kazakhstan suffered the most (as a percentage of population). Either way, there is no genetic difference between Slavs or Russian or Ukrainian origin in Ukraine or Russia - they are all genetically the same people.

This information should be better taught in Ukraine.

The problem is that it would undermine the holy grail story of right wing nationalism in Ukraine.


quorkquork annamarinja 12 Jul 2015 19:27

There are already jihadist groups fighting in Ukraine!

IN MIDST OF WAR, UKRAINE BECOMES GATEWAY FOR JIHAD
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/02/26/midst-war-ukraine-becomes-gateway-europe-jihad/


Havingalavrov obscurant 12 Jul 2015 18:33

It's been one of the biggest mistakes ( although Ukraine's military started in a desperately poor condition ) , to allow militia groups to get so powerful. Right sector should not have arms and guns... The national Ukraine military should, If members of Right sector want to fight , they should leave Right sector and join the army.

This was and will happen if they don't disband such armed groups.


annamarinja silvaback 12 Jul 2015 18:18

have you ever studied geography? If yes, you should remember the proximity of Ukraine to Russia (next door) and the proximity of Ukraine to the US (thousands miles away). Also, have you heard about the CIA Director Brennan and his covert visit to Kiev on the eve of the beginning of the civil war in Ukraine? This could give you an informed hint about the causes of the war. Plus you may be interested to learn about Mrs. Nuland-Kagan (Ms. Nudelman), her cookies, and her foul language. She is, by the way, a student of Dick Cheney. If you were born before 2000, you might know his name and his role in the Iraq catastrophe. Mrs. Nuland-Kagan (and the family of Kagans she belongs to) finds particular pleasure in creating military conflicts around the globe. It is not for nothing that the current situation in Ukraine is called Iraqization of Eastern Europe.


Bev Linington JJRichardson 12 Jul 2015 18:10

Ukrainians shot down the plane. East, West does not matter as they were all Ukrainians before the government overthrow. Leaders of the new government could not look past some Ukrainian citizens ethnicity, instead of standing together united, they decided to oppress which lead to the referendum in Crimea and the rise of separatists in the East.


jgbg Chirographer 12 Jul 2015 17:53

And for the Pro-Russian posters the newsflash is that could also describe the situation inside the Donbass.

It certainly describes the situation in Donbass where Right Sector or the volunteer battalions are in charge. In Dnepropetrovsk, Right Sector would simply turn up at some factory or other business and order the owner to sign document transferring the enterprise to them. In other cases, they have kidnapped businessmen for ransom. Some people have simply disappeared under such circumstances.

The Ukrainian National Guard simply break into homes left empty by people fleeing the war and steal the contents. Such was the scale of looting, the Ukrainian postal service have now refused to ship electrical goods out of the ATO area unless the senders have the original boxes and receipts.


jgbg AlfredHerring 12 Jul 2015 17:45

Maybe Kiev just needs to bomb them some more.

Putin promised to protect the Russian speaking people in Ukraine - but he hasn't really done that. His government has indicated that they would not allow Kiev to simply overrun or obliterate the people of Donbass. Quite where their threshold of actual intervention lies is anyone's guess.

jgbg caaps02, 12 Jul 2015 17:34

The "pro-Russian" government that you refer to was only elected because it promised to sign the EU trade agreement. It then reneged on that promise...

Yanukovych's government was elected the previous one was useless and corrupt.

Yanukovych wanted to postpone the decision to sign for six months, while he attempted to extract more from both the EU and Russia. Under Poroshenko, the implementation of the EU Association Agreement has been delayed for 15 months, as the governments of Ukraine, the EU and Russia all recognised that Russian trade (with the favourable terms which Ukraine enjoys) are vitail to Ukraine's economic recovery. Expect that postponement to be extended.

.... severely and brutally curtailing freedom of speech and concentrating all power in the hands of Yanukovich's little clan...

As opposed to sending the military to shell the crap out of those who objected to an elected government being removed by a few thousand nationalists in Kiev.

There was no "coup".

An agreement had been signed at the end of February 2014, which would see elections in September 2014. The far right immediately moved to remove the government (as Right Sector had promised on camera in December 2013). None of the few mechanisms for replacing the president listed in the Ukrainian constitution have been followed - that makes it a coup.

The maidan protesters were not armed

This newspaper and other western media documented the armed members of far right groups on Maidan. One BBC journalist was actually shot at by a Svoboda sniper, operating from Hotel Ukraina - the video is still on the BBC website.

....the interim government that was put in place by the parliament in late February and the government that was elected in May and Oct. of 2014 were and are not fascist.

The interim government included several ministers from Svoboda, formerly the Socialist Nationalist Party of Ukraine. These were the first Nazi ministers in a European government since Franco's Spanish government that ended in the 1970's. In a 2013 resolution, the EU parliament had indicated that no Ukrainian government should include members of Svoboda or other far right parties.


pushkinsideburn vr13vr 12 Jul 2015 16:45

There has been a marked change in rhetoric over the last few weeks. Even CiF on Ukraine articles seems to attract less trolls (with a few notable exceptions on this article - though they feel more like squad trolls than the first team). Hopefully a sign of deescalation or perhaps just a temporary lull before the MH17 anniversary this week?


pushkinsideburn calum1 12 Jul 2015 16:38

His other comments should have been the clue that arithmetic, like independent critical thinking, is beyond him.


normankirk 12 Jul 2015 16:19

Right sector were the first to declare they wouldn't abide by the Minsk 2 peace agreement.Nevertheless, Dmitry Yarosh, their leader is adviser to Ukraine's Chief of staff. Given that he only received about 130,000 votes in the last election, he has a disproportionate amount of power.


pushkinsideburn sashasmirnoff 12 Jul 2015 16:13

That quote is a myth

https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-the-cia-owns-everyone-of-any-significance-in-the-major-media.t158/

Though doesn't mean it's not true of course


greatwhitehunter 12 Jul 2015 15:47

As predicted the real civil war in ukraine is still to happen. The split between the east and the ordinary ukrainian was largely manufactored . In the long term no body would be able to live with the right sector or more preciselly the right sector cant share a bed with anyone else.


sashasmirnoff RicardoJ 12 Jul 2015 15:44

"When the Guardian claims to be a fearless champion of investigative journalism - as it is, in some areas - why did it obey the dictats of the US neocon media machine which rules all Western mainstream media over the Ukrainian land grab, instead of telling the truth, at that time?"

This may be why:
"The CIA owns everyone of any significance in the major media." - former CIA Director William Colby


Alexander_the_Great 12 Jul 2015 15:43

This was so, so predictable. The Right Sector were the main violent group during the coup in 2014 - in fact they were the ones to bring the first guns to the square following their storming of a military warehouse in west Ukraine a few days before the coup. It was this factor that forced the Police to arm themselves in preparation.

Being the vanguard of the illegal coup, they then provided a useful tool of manipulation for the illegal Kiev government to oppress any opposition, intimidate journalists who spoke the truth and lead the war against the legally-elected ELECTED governments of Donetsk and Lugansk.

Having failed in the war against the east, western leaders have signalled the right sector has now outlived its usefulness and has become an embarrassment to Kiev and their western backers.

The Right Sector meanwhile, feel betrayed by the establishment in Kiev. They have 19 battalions of fighters and they wont go away thats for sure. I think one can expect this getting more violent in the coming months.


SHappens jezzam 12 Jul 2015 15:40

Putin is a Fascist dictator.

Putin is not a dictator. He is a statist, authoritarian-inclined hybrid regime ruler that possesses some democratic elements and space for opposition groups.
He has moderate nationalist tendencies in foreign affairs; his goal is a secure a strong Russia. He is a patriot and has a charismatic authority. Russians stay behind him.


ploughmanlunch samuel glover 12 Jul 2015 15:31

'this notion that absolutely everything Kiev does follows some master script drawn up in DC and Brussels is simplistic and tiresome'

Agreed.
As is everything is Russia's fault.


ConradLodziak 12 Jul 2015 15:26

This is just the latest in a string of conflicts involving the right sector, as reported by RT, Russian media and until recently many Ukrainian outlets. The problem, of course, is that Porostinko has given 'official' status to the right sector. Blow back time for him.


CIAbot007 William Fraser 12 Jul 2015 15:06

Yes, Russia (USSR) from the USSR foundation had been forcing people of the then territory of Ukraine to identify themselves as ukrainians under the process of rootisation - ukrainisation, then gave to Ukraine Donbass and left side Dniepr and Odessa, Herson and Nikolaev, and then decided to ethnically cleane them..It doesn't make sense, does it? Oh, wait, sense is not your domain.


annamarinja William Fraser 12 Jul 2015 15:05

let me help you with arithmetics: 72 years ago Europe was inflamed with the WWII.
There was a considerable number of Ukrainians that collaborated with Hitler' nazis:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Waffen_Grenadier_Division_of_the_SS_(1st_Galician)
Now moving to the present. The US-installed oligarchs in Kiev have been cooperating closely with Ruropean neo-nazis (the followers of the WWII scum): http://rt.com/news/155364-ukraine-nazi-division-march/
In short, your government finds it is OK to glorify the perpetrators of genocide in Europe during the WWII.


Nik2 12 Jul 2015 15:04

These tragic events, when YESTERDAY, on Saturday afternoon, several civilians were unintentionally wounded in gun battles in previously peaceful town near the Hungary and Slovakia borders, vividly exposes Western propaganda. Though mass media in Ukraine and Russia are full of reports about this from the start, The Guardian managed to give first information exactly 1 day later, and BBC was still keeping silence a few minutes ago. Since both sides are allies of the West (the Right Sector fighters were the core of the Maidan protesters at the later stages, and Poroshenko regime is presumably "democratic"), the Western media preferred to ignore the events that are so politically uncomfortable. Who are "good guys" to be praised? In fact, this may be the start of nationalists' revolt against Ukrainian authorities, and politically it is very important moment that can fundamentally change Ukrainian politics. But the West decides to be silent ...


annamarinja William Fraser 12 Jul 2015 14:59

Do your history book tell you that the Holodomor was a multiethnic endeavor? That the Ukrainians were among the victims and perpetrators and that the whole huge country had suffered the insanely cruel policies of multiethnic bolsheviks? The Holodomor was almost a century ago, whereas the Odessa massacre and the bombardments of civilian population in east Ukraine by the neo-nazi thugs (sent by Kiev), has been going during last year and half. Perhaps you have followed Mr. Brennan and Mrs. Nuland-Kagan too obediently.


foolisholdman zonzonel 12 Jul 2015 14:58

zonzonel

Oops, the presumably fascist govt. is fighting a fascist group.
What is a poor troll to do these days??
Antiukrainian copywriting just got more difficult, perhaps a raise is needed? Just sayin.

What's your problem? Never heard of Fascist groups fighting each other? Never heard of the "Night of the Long Knives"? Fascists have no principles to unite them. They believe in Uebermenschen and of course they all think that either they themselves or their leader is The Ueberuebermensch. Anyone who disagrees is an enemy no matter how Fascist he may be.


samuel glover ploughmanlunch 12 Jul 2015 14:55

Y'know, I'm no fan of the Russophobic hysteria that dominates English-language media. I've been to Ukraine several times over the last 15 years or so, and I'm sorry to say that I think that in time Ukrainians will regard Maidan's aftermath as most of them view the Orange Revolution -- with regret and cynicism.

That said, this notion that everything, absolutely everything Kiev does follows some master script drawn up in DC and Brussels is simplistic and tiresome. Most post-revolution regimes purge one end or the other of the current ideological wings. Kiev has already tangled with the oligarch and militia patron Igor Kolomoisky. So perhaps this is another predictable factional struggle. Or maybe, as another comment speculates, this is a feud over cigarette tax revenue.

In any case, Ukraine is a complex place going through an **extremely** complex time. it's too soon to tell what the Lviv skirmish means, and **far** too soon to lay it all on nefarious puppetmasters.

TheTruthAnytime ADTaylor 12 Jul 2015 14:49

The only thing that makes me reconsider is their service to their country,...

Is the CIA their country? So far they've only seemed to serve the interests of American businesspeople, not Ukrainian interests. Also, murdering eastern Ukrainians cannot really be considered such a great service to Ukraine, can it?


annamarinja ID075732 12 Jul 2015 14:44

Maidan was indeed a popular apprising, but it was utilized by the US strategists for their geopolitical games. The Ukrainians are going to learn hard way that the US have never had any interest in well-being of the "locals" and that the ongoing civil war was designed in order to create a festering wound on a border with the Russia. The Iraqization of Ukraine was envisioned by the neocons as a tool to break both Russia and Ukraine. The sooner Ukrainians come to a peaceful solution uniting the whole Ukraine (for example, to federalization), the better for the general population (but not for the thieving oligarchs).


vr13vr 12 Jul 2015 14:38

"Couple of hundred Right Sector supporters demonstrated in Kiev?" Come on! Over the last week, there have been enough of videos of thousands of people in fatigues trying to block access to government buildings and shouting rather aggressive demands. The entire battalions of "National Guard." This is much bigger than just 100 people on a peaceful rally. Ukraine might be heading towards Maidan 3.0.

ID075732 12 Jul 2015 14:26

The situation in Ukraine has been unravelling for months and this news broke on Friday evening.

The Minsk II cease fire has not been honoured by Poroshenko, who has not managed to effect any of the pledges he signed up to. The right sector who rejected the cease-fire from the start are now refusing the rule of their post coup president in Kiev.

Time for Victoria Nuland to break out the cookies? Or maybe it's too late for that now. The country formerly know as Ukraine is turning out to be another outstanding success of American post -imperial foreign policy.

Meanwhile in UFA the BRIC's economic forum is drawing to a close, with representatives from the developing world and no reporting of the aspirations being discussed there of over 60% of the world's population. It's been a major success, but if you want to learn about it, you will have to turn to other media sources - those usually reported as Russian propaganda channels or Putin's apologists.

The same people who have been reporting on the deteriorating situation in Kiev since the February coup. Or as Washington likes to call it a popular up rising.


Dennis Levin 12 Jul 2015 13:29

Canadian interviewed, fighting for 'Right Sector'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j65dBEWd7go
The Right Sector of Euromaidan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yFqUasBOUY
Lets reflect for a moment on the Editorial directives, that would have 'MORE GUNS' distributed to NAZIS..
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/feb/01/putin-stopped-ukraine-military-support-russian-propaganda
The Guarn publishes, 'Britain should arm Ukraine, says Tory donor' - http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/11/britain-should-arm-ukraine
Al Jazeera says,'t's time to arm Ukraine' - http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2015/02/arms-ukraine-russia-separatists-150210075309643.html
Zbigniew Brzezinski: The West should arm Ukraine - http://www.kyivpost.com/opinion/op-ed/zbigniew-brzezinski-the-west-should-arm-ukraine-354770.html


ploughmanlunch ADTaylor 12 Jul 2015 13:06

'The only thing that makes me reconsider is their service to their country'

Don't get me wrong. I detest the fascist militias and their evil deeds.

However, despite their callousness, brutality and stupidity, they have been the most effective fighting force for Kiev ( more sensible Ukrainians have been rather more reluctant to kill their fellow countrymen ).

Deluded ? Yes. Cowardly ? No.

Even more reprehensible, in my opinion are the calculating and unprincipled Kiev Government that have attempted to bully a region of the Ukraine that had expressed legitimate reservations, using those far right battalions, but accepting no responsibility for the carnage that they carried out.

mario n 12 Jul 2015 12:52

I think it's time Europe spoke up about dangers of Ukrainian nationalism. 72 years ago Ukrainian fascists committed one of the most hideous and brutal acts of genocide in the human history. Details are so horrifying it is beyond imagination. Sadly not many people remembers that, because it is not politically correct to say bad things about Ukraine. Today mass murderers are hailed as national heroes and private battalions and ultranationalist groups armed to the teeth terrorise not only Donbas but now different parts of the country like Zakarpattia where there is strong Hungarian, Russian and Romanian minority.

How many massacres and acts of genocide Europe needs before it learns to act firmly?

SHappens 12 Jul 2015 12:49

Kiev has allowed nationalist groups including Right Sector to operate despite allegations by groups like Amnesty International, that Right Sector has tortured civilian prisoners.

You know what, you dont play with fire or you will get burnt. It was written on the wall that these Bandera apologists would eventually turn to the hand that fed them. I wonder how Kiev will manage to blame the russians now.


RicardoJ 12 Jul 2015 12:33

Of course the Guardian doesn't like to explain that 'Right Sector' are genuine fascists - by their own admission!

These fascists, who wear Nazi insignia, were the people who overthrew the elected government of Ukraine in the US / EU-supported coup - which the Guardianistas and other PC-brainwashed duly cheered on as a supposed triumph of democracy.

Since that glorious US-financed and EU-backed coup, wholly illegal under international law, Ukraine's economy has collapsed, as has Ukrainians' living standards.

The US neocons are losing interest in their attempted land grab of Ukraine - and the EU cretins who backed the coup, thinking it would be a nice juicy further territorial acquisition for the EU, are desperately looking the other way, now that both the US and EU realize that Ukraine is a financial black hole.

When the Guardian claims to be a fearless champion of investigative journalism - as it is, in some areas - why did it obey the dictats of the US neocon media machine which rules all Western mainstream media over the Ukrainian land grab, instead of telling the truth, at that time?


jgbg 12 Jul 2015 12:15

The move came after a gunfight broke out on Saturday, when about 20 Right Sector gunmen arrived at a sports complex controlled by MP Mikhail Lano. They had been trying to stop the traffic of cigarettes and other contraband, a spokesman for the group said.

Put another way, one group of gangsters tried to muscle in on the cigarette smuggling operation of another group of gangsters. Smuggling cigarettes into nearby EU countries is extremely lucrative.

Here's some video of some of the events:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hexRskhproc&feature=youtu.be

Note the registration plates driven by both Right Sector and the other gangsters i.e. not Ukrainian. In all likelihood, these cars are all stolen.

Right Sector and fighters from "volunteer battalions" have become accustomed to muscling in on other people's activities (legal or not) in Donbass. This sort of thuggery is routine when these folk come to town. It is only when since they have continued such activities on their home turf in west and central Ukraine that the authorities have taken any notice.

[Jul 14, 2015] Canada's Embassy Gave Shelter to Maidan Protesters in Kiev

Sputnik International

The Canadian embassy in Kiev was used as a haven for anti-government protesters during the uprising that toppled the government of former President Viktor Yanukovych, Canadian media reported.

Former Maidan Activists Start Fighting Against Ukrainian Police - Reports
"It began, according to several sources in Kiev and Ottawa, when one of the protesters being chased by riot police waved a Canadian passport at embassy security. Once the door was open, the individual was quickly followed by other demonstrators armed with sticks and paving stones," The Canadian Press reported on Sunday.

Roman Waschuk, the current Canadian ambassador in Kiev, confirmed the account in a recent interview with The Canadian Press.

He acknowledged the protesters were camped in the main lobby for at least a week, which is something neither the country's Foreign Minister nor the government of Prime Minister Stephen Harper has ever publicly stated.

"I understand there was a Canadian passport holder associated in some way with the group," Waschuk noted adding that opening of the embassy doors was "a gesture designed to react and to reach out to the people suffering in the turmoil."

But some of Canada's European allies, speaking on anonimity because of the sensitivity of the subject, said the fact protesters were allowed to stay for so long and operate freely made it appear Canada was an active participant in regime change, and not just lending morale support.

[Jul 14, 2015] Russia and the west are quits for good as far as any hope of alliances is concerned, because the west is just too untrustworthy

"...Sherr is the archetypal think tank expert. The most interesting part in that biographical sketch – was reading that he was born in New York and holds dual US-UK citizenship. "
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"...The self-delusion, hypocrisy and deceit of Western leaders, policy makers and analysts has no limits. This panel exemplifies this. "
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"...Whenever I see his name, though, I'm reminded of a piece he wrote on Ukraine years ago, long before Maidan. ... it's called "Realism About Ukraine Part I – Internal Conditions. James Sherr, Conflict Studies Research Centre, UK Defence Academy". Read it over carefully; this dates from June 2005, and I found his assessment of the competitors for power to be frank and realistic, especially that on Tymoshenko. "
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"...I have no idea who this guy actually is but, just from that statement I would say he's an empty vessel in moral terms."

marknesop, July 10, 2015 at 7:56 am

I think Russia and the west are quits for good as far as any hope of alliances is concerned, because the west is just too untrustworthy. However, it is my personal opinion that much of the demonization of Putin is intended to make him respond in kind with bellicose rhetoric which will allow him to be cast as an unstable, ranting dictator. Moreover, he seems to see the trap or for whatever reason is avoiding it, choosing instead to keep his criticism mild, measured and slightly mocking. So if that is the strategy, it's failing pretty badly, and it is the western media which looks unhinged.
Published on 15 Jun 2015
What You Need To Know:
✓ Russia needs to win a conclusive victory fairly quickly because this conflict is not economically sustainable for them;
✓ Since the post-Cold War order was established Russia has wanted to discuss the new world order with the West;
✓ Some in the West now understand that this is long term struggle, but it is unclear how much longer some EU members states will support the sanctions;
✓ It is unlikely that Russia will target Georgia next, rather, the next two countries will be Moldova and Belarus because they are more vulnerable;
✓ Things are being achieved in Ukraine primarily because of the civil society which is increasingly strong and self-confident.

"The appearance of a stalemate is deceptive. If the West's sanctions remain in place and the oil price remains low it will be very difficult for the Russian state to function in the way it does now," James Sherr, associate fellow of the Russia and Eurasia programme at Chatham House told Hromadske. The current occupation regime in Donbas is not sustainable economically and Russia no interest in subsidizing it, said Sherr, the situation, therefore, will not remain frozen forever.

"They [Russia] need to win a conclusive victory fairly quickly or time starts to work against them. This creates a dangerous situation because they are under pressure to do something more here," said Sherr. "It might not mean they will take Mariupol but it might mean the kind of military offensive that produced Minsk 1 and 2".

Since the post-Cold War order was established Russia has wanted to discuss the new world order with the West, said Sherr. Russia does not see this as conflict with Ukraine, it views as a conflict in Ukraine but with the West. According to Sherr, the solution from Russia's perspective is to have that conversation with the West, not only about Ukraine but about elsewhere in the former Soviet space, central and eastern Europe.

Some in the West now understand that this is long term struggle, said Sherr. In 2015, the West has been more realistic about what it is facing compared to 2014, when many were talking about the 'Ukraine Crisis' – as if it was something short term. However, the West is also more tired now than it was last year, explained Sherr. Several EU states who imposed sanctions on Russia at the cost of their own economies thought that they would have an effect within a few months. It might take a couple of years and thus it is questionable whether or not they will continue to support the policy, Sherr told Hromadske.

In terms of developments in the rest of the region, according to Sherr, it is unlikely that Russia will target Georgia next. Firstly, the Georgians are very astute and secondly, NATO has a much higher profile there so there is more certainty that they will respond. The next two countries will be Moldova and Belarus because they are more vulnerable. Nobody wants to see Putin defeated more than Alexander Lukashenko because he knows if he is not defeated in Ukraine, he will be next, said Sherr.If Moldova is attacked it is far from certain if the EU or NATO will respond. Romania would respond but it is unclear how. At the moment Russia is doing everything to make Moldova dysfunctional, said Sherr. In the Baltic region, furthered Sherr, one of the dangers is miscalculated accident. It is unclear what could happen if a Russian military plane collided with an SAS Boeing, for instance.

Sherr also discussed the question of Ukraine's energy dependence. According to him, steps have been taken towards making Ukraine more energy efficient. Ukraine is now surviving with a very low level of imports from Russia compared to what it was. However, there is still work to be done improving investor confidence.

One of the worst realities for Ukraine, according to Sherr, is that the system and the culture of power has survived 2 revolutions and is now surviving a war. Things are being achieved in Ukraine primarily because of the civil society which is increasingly strong and self-confident. The state, however, is still a major problem for people "so far much more talk about change than real change.

Hromadske International's Nataliya Gumenyuk spoke with James Sherr on May 28, 2015.

et Al, July 10, 2015 at 2:46 pm
Another prick in the wall.
Warren, July 10, 2015 at 7:43 am

Published on 21 Apr 2015
Lecture by James Sherr about Russia's Challenge to the West' organized by Center for Security and Strategic Research, March 4, 2015.

James Sherr is one of top experts on Russia in the United Kingdom. He is an associate fellow and former head of the Russia and Eurasia programme at the Royal Institute of International Affairs "Chatham House".

He was a fellow of the Conflict Studies Research Centre of the UK Ministry of Defense from 1995 to 2008. He has published extensively on Soviet and Russian military, security and foreign policy. He has spent last weeks in Kiev.

Moscow Exile, July 10, 2015 at 8:15 am
James Sherr
Warren, July 10, 2015 at 8:55 am
Sherr is the archetypal think tank expert. The most interesting part in that biographical sketch – was reading that he was born in New York and holds dual US-UK citizenship.

Sherr and Lucas are the most erudite and loquacious Russophobes in the Anglosphere.

marknesop, July 10, 2015 at 10:53 am
Whenever I see his name, though, I'm reminded of a piece he wrote on Ukraine years ago, long before Maidan. I never had any success linking it because it was an odd document, and the link always led to the wrong story, about an air show in Lvov. Let me see if I can find it again.

Yeah; it's still a weird one, it opens in a new window, so you'll have to google it yourself; it's called "Realism About Ukraine Part I – Internal Conditions. James Sherr, Conflict Studies Research Centre, UK Defence Academy". Read it over carefully; this dates from June 2005, and I found his assessment of the competitors for power to be frank and realistic, especially that on Tymoshenko.

He describes her as "an electoral ally [of Yushchenko] but a personal rival, is not averse to confrontation and seems determined to exercise authority without limit. If Yushchenko has confused leadership with inspiration, she has confused it with control and, to the astonishment of many in Ukraine's business sector, these controls are taking the form of Soviet style 'administrative measures' which extend to the micro economy.". Later he opines (unclear whether this was Tymoshenko's decision or Yushchenko's, but I believe the former), "But this defence cannot be stretched to justify price controls on meat or subsidies on electricity, and the decision to increase public sector salaries by almost 57 per cent flies in the face of economic reality". You go, James.

Northern Star, July 10, 2015 at 10:27 am
"James Sherr is one of top fascist Nazi moron stooges.."

end of story

Warren, July 10, 2015 at 7:45 am

Published on 14 May 2015
Lennart Meri Conference 2015

Saturday, April 25

Tim Owen, July 10, 2015 at 3:45 pm
Might return but only got as far as 4:49 where his nibs suggested that ALL the EU wants is a "borderlands" – oh, the irony – that is, what was it?… "quiet, stable and prosperous" while the inscrutable Russians positively YEARN for a humanitarian disaster on its, you know, ACTUAL border.

I have no idea who this guy actually is but, just from that statement I would say he's an empty vessel in moral terms.

Warren , July 10, 2015 at 7:17 pm
The self-delusion, hypocrisy and deceit of Western leaders, policy makers and analysts has no limits. This panel exemplifies this.
xxx July 10, 2015 at 5:16 pm
Give it a few years at this rate, and you'll be able to get gobbled by your boyfriend on the sidewalk and people will surround you and applaud while the police do a burlesque pantomime beside you in their rainbow vinyl uniforms. I am curious in an academic sort of way to see how far the pendulum will swing as the western democracies vie with one another to see who can be the most gay and hedonistic. This has all happened before, for anyone who never studied history – it was called the Roman Empire. And it will end in tears; you'll see.
Pavlo Svolochenko , July 10, 2015 at 5:21 pm
More recently, in Weimar.

Imagine a visitor to Berlin in 1925. Would he even recognise the place ten years later?

Warren, July 10, 2015 at 7:13 pm
The acceptance of homosexuality is the most potent example of a civilisation that is decadent. Tolerating and indulging in such degeneracy and perversion, demonstrate that such a civilisation no longer cares for its future and no longer has any morals.
marknesop, July 10, 2015 at 9:57 pm
I am absolutely fine with the acceptance of it, because it is not a "problem" for society like alcoholism or chainsaw juggling or diabetes. Healthy homosexuals pay taxes and consume products and laugh and drink and have fun like all the rest of us.

Although I am liberal in my politics I am a social conservative in that I do not care for overt sexual displays in a public setting unless it is a strip club, where presumably you knew what you were getting into when you came in and that's your choice. I do not want to know how you and your partner do it, and I don't want to be forced into thinking about it by having to run down an endless rainbow tunnel surrounded by prancing boys in pink jockstraps.

Just keep it to yourself and confine your lust to significant glances exchanged with one another, and we'll be just fine. Being forced to play gooseberry to overt gay displays is embarrassing and uncomfortable for me, and just when we were beginning to internalize the lesson that thinking about your fellow citizens' feelings was important, the tolerance train pulled into the station and the rule book was thrown away in favour of celebrating homosexuality.

I don't have anything against it – I'm just not interesting in being dragged into a neverending boogie of celebration of it. I'm even less interested in it just so my country can thumb its nose at other countries and say "Beat that, you anti-gay brute!"

[Jul 14, 2015] Tensions rising in Ukraine as far-right militia's boobytraps injure two police

"...This negotiation is quite impossible because Kiev, even if you wanted to negotiate honestly, is pushed by the nationalist forces, all those Right Sectors, "volunteers" and "heroes of Maidan." Poroshenko has to please the nationalistic crowd so the honest negotiations is just a dream. Besides, all those "volunteer battalions" had declared from the first day that the Minsk agreement would apply to them. They've been having major marches in Kiev over the last couple of weeks, menacing marching in full fatigues and face masks and demanding resumption of the war in the East."
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"...Madam "F*ck the EU" Nuland's engineered coup is not going according to plan. She used Ukrainian nationalism as a cause, enticing Ukrainian Nationalists and supposed Ukrainian NAZIs (the right sector) both of whom hate Russians as dupes to aid her coup. Now that the illegitimate IMF and Soros funded Kiev junta has consolidated their hold on government, they dare not have any Ukrainian Nationalists or anyone who would care and honestly work on behalf of Ukrainian citizens any role in the new government. Instead, foreign IMF collaborators are given instant Ukrainian citizenship and posted in important ministerial jobs. No doubt, the nationalists were promised a part in the government if they aided in the coup. Now that madam Nuland is ignoring them, they no doubt aren't very happy, posing a threat the the Poroshenko junta. Poroshenko's remedy, on advice of madam Nueland no doubt, seems to purposely create tension with the nationalists so that they could be classified as terrorist and either jailed or killed. "
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"...Madam Nuland is the classic intelligent, over educated idiot. Knows nothing about Ukraine but because of her education, her high position in the state department (no doubt by connection) and her arrogant demeanor has led her to believe she could do no wrong. Thus far, her civil war in Ukraine has resulted in more than 6000 dead Ukrainians, mostly civilians including children. Not only that, madam Nuland has destroyed what was a united Ukraine and it will never be whole again. Eastern Ukrainians will never reconcile with those who waged war against them for no reason at all. Her chocolate oligarch, Poroshenko, on her advice chose to intentionally bomb and shell civilians. Killing civilians is a war crime. This puts Porosenko in the same league as Hitler and other war criminals of history."
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"... Ha, moderate rebels. Reminds me of Syria. Ukraine may be heading the same way.
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"...Well, it is, of course, hard to tell what's going on there, what kinds of deals are being made, but indeed it sound like Poroshenko is trying to rein neonazis in a little bit, while Yatsenyuk, the PM and a Nuland's stooge, is betting on them. What a mess, what a shame."
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"...Maidan raised expectations and shrunk resources. The inevitable disillusionment and bloody struggle for remaining resources will destroy Ukraine. The people in the West who aided the violent overthrow of the elected government, who over-promised and played geo-political games, they should be held accountable. From State Department to EU busy-bodies (Sikorski and Bildt), to media cheerleaders, to human rights professionals - all of them must explain what gave them the right to meddle and unravel a relatively prosperous country of over 40 million."
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"...What was bound to happen is happening. There is a long story of the good guys turning bad but they never learn. This is no exception, it could have been avoided in due time by not accepting these groups as units into the military for they have dangerous ideologies incompatible with democracy. What is more amazing though is that the EU supported these guys all along by remaining silent. As long as they were killing in the east of the country it was fine and that tells a lot about the whole Ukraine situation which is politically driven."
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"...No, Kiev doesn't struggle with armed nationalist groups. It encouraged, organized and armed them. It even came up with the patriotically sounding name for them, "volunteers," so now they are pretty legitimate."
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"...Finally western media are starting to report the fact that Poroshenko and his government have absolutely no control of the far right militia that got them in poeer and fought in East Ukraine. No peace deals or Minsk agreements will be implemented while there are out of control and armed to the teeth people fighting in the east for either side. They do not care about agreements."
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"...Not all unicorns and rainbows in Nulandistan it appears."
Jul 14, 2015 | The Guardian

vr13vr -> ilyasilyas 14 Jul 2015 15:23

"I suppose this is the end of the Right Sector, since the government machine is much stronger than a small organisation. "

It is not necessarily at all. They were promoted into "heroes defending Ukraine" and there is simply not enough political will to squash them. They will have to come up with some sort of a pact, just as they did last year during their elections and when they formed the Right Sector into "National Guards." They will essentially split the spheres of influence.

As for the government machine, Ukrainian army doesn't want to fight. They are ill prepared and lack motivation to fight, especially inside their country. Right Sector, on the other hand is more seasoned, organized, and more aggressive. It has advantage over the army. Poroshenko doesn't have strength to squash it either by force or politically.

vr13vr -> ilyasilyas 14 Jul 2015 15:16

This negotiation is quite impossible because Kiev, even if you wanted to negotiate honestly, is pushed by the nationalist forces, all those Right Sectors, "volunteers" and "heroes of Maidan." Poroshenko has to please the nationalistic crowd so the honest negotiations is just a dream. Besides, all those "volunteer battalions" had declared from the first day that the Minsk agreement would apply to them. They've been having major marches in Kiev over the last couple of weeks, menacing marching in full fatigues and face masks and demanding resumption of the war in the East.

Debreceni 14 Jul 2015 15:09

Mission accomplished. The German-dominated EU and the US turned Ukraine into a failed state. The new Russophobic regime alienated the only country, which cared about the Ukrainian people and which was ready to help: Putin's Russia. Their wish has been granted: now they are part (and a colony) of Europe and never will be free again. Ukraine is Europe' Mexico ruled by drug lords, mafia bosses, soldiers of of fortune, adventure capitalists, outsiders and common criminals. Feel sorry for them.

SHappens -> Havingalavrov 14 Jul 2015 15:07

I understand from what Ukraine has face by Russia's armed and led war against its people, that it didn't have many options of who could help them.

Oh come on, they could have refrained from the ATO. Ukraine doesn't need to defend themselves they just have to stop attacking the east and make a reconciliation, how does that sound? You seem to advocate a full war.

VictorWhisky 14 Jul 2015 15:07

Madam "F*ck the EU" Nuland's engineered coup is not going according to plan. She used Ukrainian nationalism as a cause, enticing Ukrainian Nationalists and supposed Ukrainian NAZIs (the right sector) both of whom hate Russians as dupes to aid her coup. Now that the illegitimate IMF and Soros funded Kiev junta has consolidated their hold on government, they dare not have any Ukrainian Nationalists or anyone who would care and honestly work on behalf of Ukrainian citizens any role in the new government. Instead, foreign IMF collaborators are given instant Ukrainian citizenship and posted in important ministerial jobs. No doubt, the nationalists were promised a part in the government if they aided in the coup. Now that madam Nuland is ignoring them, they no doubt aren't very happy, posing a threat the the Poroshenko junta. Poroshenko's remedy, on advice of madam Nueland no doubt, seems to purposely create tension with the nationalists so that they could be classified as terrorist and either jailed or killed.

It seems madam Nuland and her Zionist collaborators had no problem getting in bed with the Ukrainian NAZIs, who were the major force and contributed to the success of the coup. Now madam Nuland has turned against the Nationalists and the Right Sector. Sasha Biley, a right sector leader appeared on video claiming he would be arrested by the Kiev junta police and assassinated or sent to Russia to have them do it. The next day, the was shot dead by the Kiev junta's police in a shout out. Why would they want him dead? He was one of the major leaders who helped in madam Nuland's coup. In fact, he was one of the most violent leaders. Did he know who hired the snipers on the Maidan and promised to spill the beans if he was not given a government post? Dead men tell no tales.

As corrupt as Yanukovich was he never ordered the Ukrainian army to bomb and shell their own people. Poroshenko has ordered the Ukrainian army to bomb and shell Eastern Ukrainian civilians whose only crime is to refuse to recognize madam Nuland's illegitimately installed Kiev junta. It was not the Eastern Ukrainians that mobilized and advanced on Kiev, it was the Ukrainian army that was mobilized and ordered to advance on Eastern Ukrainians. Madam Nuland is the classic intelligent, over educated idiot.

Knows nothing about Ukraine but because of her education, her high position in the state department (no doubt by connection) and her arrogant demeanor has led her to believe she could do no wrong. Thus far, her civil war in Ukraine has resulted in more than 6000 dead Ukrainians, mostly civilians including children. Not only that, madam Nuland has destroyed what was a united Ukraine and it will never be whole again. Eastern Ukrainians will never reconcile with those who waged war against them for no reason at all. Her chocolate oligarch, Poroshenko, on her advice chose to intentionally bomb and shell civilians. Killing civilians is a war crime. This puts Porosenko in the same league as Hitler and other war criminals of history.

Tee7467 -> vr13vr 14 Jul 2015 14:58

Ha, moderate rebels. Reminds me of Syria. Ukraine may be heading the same way.

JoePope 14 Jul 2015 14:54

Its hard to feel any sympathy for Kiev government and their Western sponsors- they brought this on themselves.
A joke photo was doing rounds on twitter this weekend with desperate looking Poroshenko holding up a sign which reads "Putin bring the army!"
That would be poetic justice.

ilyasilyas 14 Jul 2015 14:48

Interestingly, the western media did touch this topic despite the fact that it does not go along with the anti-Russia line. Let's see how this incident ends.

I suppose this is the end of the Right Sector, since the government machine is much stronger than a small organisation. Moreover, the Ukrainian media started to talk a lot about the RS, writing all sorts of crimes they committed and etc.

Maidan heroes are no longer heroes but criminals.

I just hope the country will climb out of the shithole it got in. I'm sure people of the Western part of Ukraine do not want war as well as people in the East. The whole thing just got out of control. Everybody shoot freeze and then start negotiating. It's very hard to negotiate when people shoot each other.

geedeesee 14 Jul 2015 14:40

These guys have no qualms about killing police officers - we saw that on Maiden - they haven't suddenly changed.

MaoChengJi 14 Jul 2015 14:37

Well, it is, of course, hard to tell what's going on there, what kinds of deals are being made, but indeed it sound like Poroshenko is trying to rein neonazis in a little bit, while Yatsenyuk, the PM and a Nuland's stooge, is betting on them. What a mess, what a shame.

vr13vr -> SHappens 14 Jul 2015 14:17

But remember, these armed nationalists were viewed as "moderate rebels." They were helping to overthrow the previous government and they were eager to fight in the East of the country. But then again, we've heard the story about the good and moderate rebels before.

Beckow 14 Jul 2015 14:16

Maidan raised expectations and shrunk resources. The inevitable disillusionment and bloody struggle for remaining resources will destroy Ukraine. The people in the West who aided the violent overthrow of the elected government, who over-promised and played geo-political games, they should be held accountable. From State Department to EU busy-bodies (Sikorski and Bildt), to media cheerleaders, to human rights professionals - all of them must explain what gave them the right to meddle and unravel a relatively prosperous country of over 40 million.

Poroshenko orders police "to disarm illegal groups", and one wonders why that has to be "ordered", why was post-Maidan tolerating armed groups? These are the wages of engaging in an armed street uprising, of Nuland giving cookies to armed demonstrators, EU politicians posing with assorted mobs as they were fighting police. Imagine any of this in any European country, imagine how quickly and brutally it would be suppressed, look at everything from Occupy, Frankfurt, kettling in London. So why was street uprising supported by EU in Kiev? And what can EU do now?

vr13vr 14 Jul 2015 14:15

"Right Sector grew in popularity after it played a lead role in the tumultuous mass protests that overthrew president Viktor Yanukovych in 2014"

So, after all the back and force, we finally agree that the infamous Maidan was led by the armed nationalist militia rather than peace loving democratic people who wanted to join EU? Ouch, that's the first step.

Pterinochilus 14 Jul 2015 14:15

That´s exactly what happens when you arm, encourage and embed yourself with armed neo-nazis.

SHappens 14 Jul 2015 14:11

What was bound to happen is happening. There is a long story of the good guys turning bad but they never learn. This is no exception, it could have been avoided in due time by not accepting these groups as units into the military for they have dangerous ideologies incompatible with democracy. What is more amazing though is that the EU supported these guys all along by remaining silent. As long as they were killing in the east of the country it was fine and that tells a lot about the whole Ukraine situation which is politically driven.

vr13vr 14 Jul 2015 14:11

"[The event] highlights Kiev's struggles with ... armed nationalist groups who have helped it fight pro-Russia separatists in eastern Ukraine. "

No, Kiev doesn't struggle with armed nationalist groups. It encouraged, organized and armed them. It even came up with the patriotically sounding name for them, "volunteers," so now they are pretty legitimate.

thenewstranger 14 Jul 2015 14:05

Oh, interesting. I suppose those guys are peacefull, democratic protesters from Maidan. Or maybe dictator Yanukovich masked in Right sector again kill it's own citizens.

IvanYur 14 Jul 2015 13:39

Finally western media are starting to report the fact that Poroshenko and his government have absolutely no control of the far right militia that got them in poeer and fought in East Ukraine.

No peace deals or Minsk agreements will be implemented while there are out of control and armed to the teeth people fighting in the east for either side. They do not care about agreements.

goatrider 14 Jul 2015 13:35

Not all unicorns and rainbows in Nulandistan it appears.

[Jul 14, 2015]Kiev forced to fight its own fascist militias

Jul 14, 2015 | The Times

A pro-government Ukrainian militia accused of neo-Nazism has fought a gun battle with the country's security forces that left at least three dead and several police vehicles destroyed by rocket-propelled grenades.

The fighting marks the first clash between Kiev and one of the country's "volunteer battalions" who have led the fight against pro-Russian separatists.

The fierce confrontation in the city of Mukachevo, near Ukraine's western border, involved members of Right Sector, a controversial nationalist group. Three policemen were among six injured, officials from the Ukrainian interior ministry said.

A stand-off with Ukrainian police continued yesterday while Right Sector announced that

[Jul 13, 2015] The Ukrainian state is disintegrating and Washington smiles beatifically, having created another Libya, this time on Russia's doorstep

Jul 12, 2015 | marknesop.wordpress.com

marknesop, July 12, 2015 at 10:59 am

They just love fighting with guns and the thrill of shooting to kill. The front is boring right now, shooting artillery into cities does not have the same gratification. The only way for Ukraine to purge itself of Right Sector is to kill them all. So long as any are left alive they will cling to their guns – which nobody seems to be able to make them give up – and foment armed insurrection.

The Ukrainian state is disintegrating and Washington smiles beatifically, having created another Libya, this time on Russia's doorstep.

karl1haushofer , July 12, 2015 at 5:27 am
"Yarosh hates Avakov even more than he hates the Russians."

Aren't they both Russians themselves? Yarosh does not even speak Ukrainian and Avakov is a Russian name.

Pavlo Svolochenko, July 12, 2015 at 5:37 am
Yarosh, yes. Avakov (Avakian?) is an Armenian from Baku.
et Al, July 12, 2015 at 4:29 am
Via Antiwar.com

Neuters: Kerry doesn't view Russia as existential threat: State Department
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/10/us-usa-defense-dunford-state-idUSKCN0PK27120150710

…"If you want to talk about a nation that could pose an existential threat to the United States, I'd have to point to Russia," Dunford said. "And if you look at their behavior, it's nothing short of alarming."

U.S. State Department spokesman Mark Toner said Kerry did not share the assessment, even though Russia's actions in Ukraine posed regional security challenges.

"The secretary doesn't agree with the assessment that Russia is an existential threat to the United States, nor China, quite frankly," Toner told a regular news briefing when asked about Dunford's remarks.

"You know, these are major powers with whom we engage and cooperate on a number of issues, despite any disagreements we may have with them," he said. "Certainly we have disagreements with Russia and its activities within the region, but we don't view it as an existential threat."…
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The problem with ignorant blowhards like Dunford is that if their words are to be taken seriously, then seriously needs to be funded with cold, hard dollars. Resources daarlings. The USA has pinned its flag to the Asia Swivel (aka fk China!) as its fundamental future military posture.

That is an expensive proposition.

To then start bivolating (sp?) about Russia means some cash going to contain China would have to go instead to containing Russia, which so far, the USA has been doing on the very cheap by using Ukrainians as willing (or not so) canonfodder and the Europeans paying the economic consequences. To mix a metaphor or three, the US Gorilla shits in an European chinashop and still expects fawning applause for the performance*. Instead, by amping up the rhetoric via NATO and bigging up the Russia threat, the USA is trying to get Europe to pay (new UK budget promises 2% GDP on weapons) for the US' own mess and aggressive anti-Russia policy, squaring the military budget circle if you will. Except, it is not working. Europe as a whole will still not pick up the military tab US wants it to. This is the de facto recognition by Europe that the Russia threat is total bullshit, in total contradiction of all the mass propaganda to the opposite by the pork pie news networks.

* "It's like a jungle some times it makes me wonder how I keep from going under" – Rapper's Delight

Warren, July 12, 2015 at 7:50 am

The Europeans need to free themselves from American yoke, the Americans must have serious leverage on European leaders to explain their servility to the US.

* "It's like a jungle some times it makes me wonder how I keep from going under"

That line comes from Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five – The Message

marknesop, July 12, 2015 at 11:06 am

All that notwithstanding, Kerry is out of favour and the State Department has the bit in its teeth. It likes the cut of Dunford's jib and his willingness to help imprint brand "Russian Aggression". Kerry's demurrals are not going to mean anything in the great scheme of things, and it is much too late for him to assuage his conscience now for all the lies he told and partisan bullshit he spread. He deserves to ride his doomed state down nearly as much as the rest of his government.

Jeremn, July 12, 2015 at 5:06 am
Just looking at who funds the ECFR.
http://www.ecfr.eu/about/donors
George Soros is the primary funder, and the European Commission also supplies money. Then there's a whole slew of banks, oil firms and foundations. Interesting reading.
marknesop, July 12, 2015 at 11:20 am
It would of course be a generalization, but just about everywhere you find a western agency fomenting revolution and stirring up unrest in the names of freedom and democracy, you will find George Soros's money. It's a wonder Obama has not awarded him the Presidential Gong of Freedom.
yalensis, July 13, 2015 at 4:01 am
Do they, or don't they?
Some people say, that Right Sektor is withdrawing all their battalions from Donbass and moving them West, back towards Kiev.
Right Sektor denies this, and says, no, all their guys are still in place at the ATO, valiantly fighting the Colorados.

The Donetsk News Agency says that Right Sektor is withdrawing from the front lines. Quoting DPR Deputy Minister of Defense Eduard Basurin.

Basurin reports that the Right Sektor guys truly are leaving, thus providing some blessed relief to the people of Donetsk. Resulting in fewer incidents of shelling, etc.

yalensis, July 13, 2015 at 3:54 am

Ukry starting to get worried about Trans-Carpthian separatism:

Rada Deputy Boris Filatov, who belongs to Igor Kolomoisky's party, was outraged when he read some blogposts written by Trans-Carpathians. Who claimed that Trans-Carpathia was unjustly taken away from Slovaks and Hungarians in the 1950's.
Some of the Rusyns there say they are not Ukrainians, and never have been.

Filatov was outraged at some of this loose talk on blogs. He retorted on his own blog with the following proposed remedy to these separatist inclinations:

http://www.politnavigator.net/deputat-verkhovnojj-rady-o-rusinakh-zakarpatya-zhech-padal-kalenym-zhelezom.html

"Можете почитать, что публично пишут в своих бложиках некоторые местные деятели. Врачи! Жечь падаль каленым железом. Сажать и лишать имущества", - написал Филатов на своей странице в соцсети.

"You cannot even imagine what some of these local activists are scribbling in their blogs. I would brand these scum with a heated up iron. I would throw them in jail and confiscate their property."

yalensis:

Recall that Filatov made similar threats against Crimeans.

Which just scared them even further into escaping from the tender embraces of Ukrainian nazis.

I am betting most Rusyns also wish they could opt out of this Ukrainian "prison of nations" and become part of Slovakia or Hungary. Unfortunately, they don't have that option, so they are stuck in this abusive relationship.

yalensis, July 13, 2015 at 4:13 am

And what's the plan, once the Right Sektor battalions reach Kiev?

According to this piece, Right Sektor is organizing a massive meeting on the Maidan this coming Sunday, July 19.

Right Sektor spokesperson Dmitry Pavlichenko announced the following:

-He urges everybody to swarm to Kiev on Sunday. The meeting ("veche") will start promptly at noon.

-The purpose is to form "organs of power" to replace the current government.

-A priority will be also to form a "people's court".

Right Sektor has issued ultimatum to Ukrainian government: They want Avakov's head on a platter.

There is constant picket of around 100 persons around President Poroshenko's office building. The picketers wear insigna for parties such as "OUN", "Freedom or Death", and "Right Sektor". The building is protected by around 30 National Guards troops, and there has been a stand-off up until this point.

The Srebrenica Precedent Jacobin

A closer examination of Srebrenica and the Bosnian War demonstrates that much of the conventional wisdom about the massacre is mistaken. Contrary to popular belief, the NATO interventions in Bosnia actually worsened the atrocities they were supposed to resolve. And while abundant evidence indicates that diplomacy could have prevented the Bosnian War and thus prevented the Srebrenica massacre, this option was blocked by pro-interventionist forces in the United States.

... ... ...

Bildt's account is supported by military correspondent Tim Ripley, who provides copious evidence that the Bosnian government ceded the town to Serb forces, possibly as part of the Izetbegović government's broader strategy to expose civilians to Serb attacks and garner sympathetic intervention.

... ... ...

he Srebrenica massacre was surely a horrific act, but did it constitute genocide? In a controversial 2003 decision, the ICTY tribunal answered in the affirmative. Its determination that the Srebrenica massacre amounted to genocide has been widely questioned among academic authorities on the topic.

Until 1990, the word genocide was used almost exclusively to describe deliberate mass killings of exceptional size and scale, generally in the range of the hundreds of thousands or millions. Genocide was to be separated from more common atrocities, so the term was only rarely applied: millions died in the Korean and Vietnamese wars, for example, with huge loss of civilian life, but without the word genocide being invoked to any significant extent. Hundreds of thousands were killed in civil conflicts in Algeria, Indonesia, and Nigeria - but again with no widespread claims of genocide.

... ... ...

Public relations during the Bosnian War played a key role in the redefinition of genocide. This public relations campaign, it should be emphasized, was quite unnecessary: if one wished to condemn Serb-led armies, one only needed to show the atrocious things the Serb forces were doing in Bosnia - the reality was damning enough. Still, there were heavy doses of exaggeration and mischaracterization that were used to propagate the idea that the atrocities of the Serb military were not merely horrific, but were actually on the same moral level as the Holocaust - that the Bosnian War amounted to a localized replay of World War II.

... ... ...

In reality, as President Izetbegović confessed in 2003 interview, the government was deliberately exaggerating the detention camp atrocities. Izetbegović's extermination claims were further magnified by the New York public relations firm Ruder Finn, which represented Bosnia at the time, as well as much of Washington's foreign policy establishment.

Once mobilized, the campaign for intervention took on a tone of moral, almost religious, fervor that was predicated on public ignorance of the political situation in the Balkans. As Ruder Finn President James Harff acknowledged in a remarkably candid interview in 1993, "Nobody understood what was happening in Yugoslavia. The great majority of Americans were probably asking themselves in which African country Bosnia was situated." Writers who opposed the intervention were (and continue to be) denounced, effectively silencing debate.

Amid the maelstrom, it was quickly forgotten that Bosnia was only one of many post–Cold War conflicts, and it was very far from being the most destructive or the most deadly (the Congo probably has that unfortunate distinction). Nevertheless, the widespread belief that Serb forces had committed genocide played a critical role in legitimating the idea of humanitarian intervention, in the Balkans and throughout the world. After Srebrenica, US interventionism would increasingly be presented as a genocide prevention enterprise.

... ... ...

International talks to resolve the Bosnian conflict began in early 1992, shortly before the war began. The effort was directed by Portuguese diplomat José Cutileiro, acting as representative of the European Community. Cutilerio brought the leaders of all three Bosnian ethnic groups to Lisbon, where he sought to establish an agreement to defuse ethnic tensions and thus preclude a civil war. Out of the talks came a plan to divide Bosnia into three semi-autonomous regions, as parts of an ethnic confederation (though still an integral state).

In March 1992, all three ethnic groups agreed to a preliminary version of the peace plan - whatever its flaws, the proposal was presumed to be better than the alternative of war. Crucially, the Serb leaders supported the Cutileiro plan since it granted the Serbs their main objective: self-governance. It was, Serb leader Radovan Karadžić said, "a great day for Bosnia and Herzegovina."

But the plan broke down with the intrusion of the US. American officials didn't like the idea that European states might resolve the conflict, which would weaken US prestige and raise questions about the value of the Atlantic Alliance. They were particularly afraid that the European Community might emerge as a distinct power bloc in the post-Soviet world, acting independently of the United States and NATO. Any European Community success in Bosnia would increase the likelihood of an independent Europe - a negative prospect for Washington.

Acting on these concerns, the US ambassador to Yugoslavia, Warren Zimmermann, encouraged President Izetbegović to reject the peace plan. According to former State Department official George Kenney, "Zimmermann told Izetbegović . . . [the United States will] recognize you and help you out. So don't go ahead with the Lisbon agreement."

... ... ...

But the military operations had already produced a humanitarian disaster. The offensives in Croatia and Bosnia created over 250,000 refugees, many of whom were Serb civilians who had lived in the Krajina long before the war began. The expelled persons also included large numbers of ethnic Muslims from the Bihać region of Bosnia, who were opposed to the Izetbegović government and therefore deemed suspect. In addition to these mass expulsions, the combined offensives killed hundreds, and possibly thousands, of civilians.

These episodes of ethnic cleansing were considerably smaller than the rounds that had been perpetrated by Serb forces during the war, in both Croatia and Bosnia. Still, the anti-Serb atrocities that attended the August to October 1995 offensives were substantial. In the Krajina alone, Croatian attacks generated "the largest single movement of refugees in Europe since the Soviet Union crushed the Hungarian uprising in 1956," according to a Red Cross official, as paraphrased in the New York Times.

And there can be no doubt that this cleansing of Serbs had been planned long in advance. As early as 1993, Croatian President Franjo Tudjman stated in an official meeting, "there is a growing understanding that Croatia must resolve the [Krajina] problem by war, contrary to international norms, meaning by ethnically cleansing the Serbs from Croatia."

[Jul 13, 2015] OPEC expects a more balanced oil market in 2016

This is Reuter interpretation which is by definition slanted toward energy consumers, who are interesting in low prices bonanza to continue. Should be taken with a grain of salt.
"...In its monthly report, the 12-member Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries said it expected world oil demand to increase by 1.34 million barrels per day (bpd) in 2016, up from growth of 1.28 million bpd this year."
"...Benchmark Brent crude traded around $58.70 a barrel at 1230 GMT on Monday, down from a peak above $115 in June 2014."
"...OPEC said supply of oil from non-OPEC producers was expected to grow by only 300,000 bpd in 2016, down sharply from growth of 860,000 bpd this year.
U.S. oil output, which has seen rapid increases over the last five years thanks to the development of huge shale resources by "fracking", is expected to log much more modest supply growth in 2016."
"...The group said it estimated, based on figures from secondary sources, that its own collective crude output rose by 283,000 bpd to 31.38 million bpd in June, led by Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Nigeria. That is still well ahead of current demand for OPEC oil and should help ensure global inventories continue to build for some time to come."
Jul 13, 2015 | Reuters
  • Group expects world oil demand growth to increase in 2016
  • U.S. oil output growth to fall sharply next year
  • Saudi Arabia says it pumped at record high in June (Updates throughout)
The oil market should be more balanced next year as China and the developing world use more oil while supply of fuel from North American shale grows more slowly, OPEC said on Monday.

In its monthly report, the 12-member Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries said it expected world oil demand to increase by 1.34 million barrels per day (bpd) in 2016, up from growth of 1.28 million bpd this year.

World oil demand growth should outpace any increase in oil supply from non-OPEC sources and ultra-light oils such as condensate, increasing consumption of OPEC crude, it said.

"This would imply an improvement towards a more balanced market," OPEC's in-house economists said in the report.

OPEC has increased production sharply over the last year as its most powerful member, Saudi Arabia, and other core producers in the Middle East Gulf attempt to build market share, leading to higher inventories worldwide.

OPEC said Saudi Arabia reported that it pumped 10.56 million bpd last month, up 231,000 bpd from May. According to industry data, that would be a record high.

Higher OPEC production has been a major factor behind a collapse in oil prices, which are now around half their levels of a year ago.

Benchmark Brent crude traded around $58.70 a barrel at 1230 GMT on Monday, down from a peak above $115 in June 2014.

Lower prices have squeezed high-cost oil producers and brought a sharp fall in the number of oil exploration rigs in operation, particularly across North America.

OPEC said supply of oil from non-OPEC producers was expected to grow by only 300,000 bpd in 2016, down sharply from growth of 860,000 bpd this year.

U.S. oil output, which has seen rapid increases over the last five years thanks to the development of huge shale resources by "fracking", is expected to log much more modest supply growth in 2016.

"Total U.S. liquids production is expected to grow by 330,000 bpd, just one third of the growth of 930,000 bpd expected this year," it said.

That should mean more demand for OPEC oil next year.

OPEC said it expected demand for its own crude to rise by 860,000 bpd in 2016 to 30.07 million bpd. But it cut its estimate of demand for its crude this year by 100,000 bpd to 29.21 million bpd.

The group said it estimated, based on figures from secondary sources, that its own collective crude output rose by 283,000 bpd to 31.38 million bpd in June, led by Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Nigeria. That is still well ahead of current demand for OPEC oil and should help ensure global inventories continue to build for some time to come.

(Editing by Dale Hudson and Jason Neely)

[Jul 12, 2015] Putin, the Greeks, and Academic Spies by Phil Butler

July 9, 2015 | phillip-butler.com

...Switching gears here, that rag of an information portal, The Daily Beast, now jumps on Vladimir Putin again about a supposed "Witch Hunt" for western spies in academia. Excuse me! My research so far indicates Putin should be on a spy hunt. I'll get into that in a more in depth report later, but the CIA and GCHQ, all the embassies and diplomatic corps of America, Britain, Germany, France and the rest, are scurrying about Russia like idiotic Chief Inspector Jacques Clouseau of the Pink Panther films, performing everything from sabotage to corporate espionage. I mean, why wouldn't they be? Mr. Putin's Russia is as easy to mill around in as California these days.

The latest "Beastly" piece from Newsweek's Moscow agent, Anna Nemtsova, is standard anti-Putin ritual with a Pulitzer Center protege flair for sub-headlines:

"The Russian president's effort to stamp out Western influences is full of dangerous contradictions for scientists, students, and the future of Russia."

Meanwhile the level head of Mr. Putin's press adjutant Dmitry Peskov is prevalent again. He was quoted as saying; "I hope things will change at some point. The trend of mixing politics and education is a dangerous one." and I add, "Ain't it the damned truth?" Peskov, the smartest of the lot in my book, cut to the bone with that one. Teachers have no business performing their proper propaganda duties on young minds anywhere, much less in a Russia assailed on every corner. I say; "What, do you think you are dealing with idiots?"

To round out this latest moron attack of mine, a news media outlet I've worked with four or five years just discontinued overnight an entire blog/contributor community on account of this writer's moderate stance on Russia. How's that for Russian-American agents in the heat of a media war? Oh, and it's not just me. I've got correspondence from dozens, a Forbes writer says he's tired of the "bullying" and pressure to "adhere to the party line", and there's more, a lot more.

BBC pulling strings and things to alter opinion and polls, Reuters interested in interesting vested interests, Newsweek and Daily Beast authors exuding quantitative and qualitative analysis with no proof? What's a citizen journalist to do amid all this? Nemtsova pulls a professor who was at St. Petersburg State University out of the magic Russophobia hat. A Dr. Dmitry Dubrovsky who does double duty as a human rights activist and Washington think tank plebeian. Fired back in March from the university, the good doctor was Reagan Fascell Democracy Fellow in between Jan 2015 – Jul 2015. That endowment is part of the National Endowment for Democracy (NED), which is essentially a non-profit arm of the United States government since its institutionalizing.

The President of the National Endowment for Democracy, Carl Gershman (pictured, second from the left), presents an award to a Tunisian leader of the Arab Spring in November 2011 (Wikipedia)

Dubrovsky is one of hundreds of "fellows" at Woodrow Wilson Center's Kennan Institute who the US State Department and other foreign policy instruments lean on for at best expert testimony, and at the worst various forms of what I would call "light espionage". Of course I've not the resources (yet) to ascertain Dr. Dubrovsky's role in any "questionable" activities, I'll leave that to the powers in charge in Russia. My point here is the lack of any real proof either journalists, or these supposed inured parties provide.

I'll tell you this much, if Vladimir Putin did not recognize the internal threat to Russia via academia, I'd question his reputation as a KGB super-brain, or as a Russian leader who cares about his people. In the end we are at war in this world. It is not a world war like the one that ended in 1945, but the breadth and scope are not far off impact wise. The weapons have changed some, tanks and bombs often replaced by sanctions, economic "haircuts", the leveraging of debt onto an already burdened society. In a very real way the big players in this game ignore the rest of us, save to demonstrate to get our professor back, to buck majority systems, or two tweet our the latest White House quasi-victory over an invisible foe who never harmed us.

Vladimir Putin is hunting down spies, as well he should be. Greece is telling the Brussels puppets to go to hell, as well they should. And I am calling a tiny bit of attention to western operatives, that really should be called attention to before they become too dangerous. Oh my, I fear I am too late. Wait and read my "frustration theory" of destroying good. It's a story about pitting friends against friends, and shutting the mouths of all truth speakers.

If you think I am too harsh, read Dr. Dubrovsky's "Undesirables" piece from May of this year. Then march over to the Department of Homeland Security to compare legislation and infringements of freedoms in America. My vote is Mr. Putin's government gave fair warning based on Russia's societal requirements. Remember, Moscow is not Washington. For me, warning "agents" that acting contrary to what's good for the people is a more honest method than hiding behind phantom terror. The truth of Russia's "desires" seems easy, while The Daily Beast and Newsweek just contend at it.

But then, this is an opinion piece.

[Jul 12, 2015]Rethinking Russia A Conversation With Russia Scholar Stephen F. Cohen

"..."The demonization of Putin is not a policy. It's an alibi for not having a policy.""
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"...I understood some time ago that USA presidents are very fickle animals, nobody can trust them and nobody is safe of them, they could turn from being a friend to be your enemy overnight"
Jul 07, 2015 | huffingtonpost.com

Last week I had the honor of interviewing Stephen F. Cohen, Professor Emeritus of Russian Studies and Politics at NYU and Princeton University, where for many years he was director of its Russian Studies program. Professor Cohen, a long-time friend of Mikhail Gorbachev, is one of the most important Russia scholars in the world and a member of the founding board of directors of the American Committee for East-West Accord, a pro-detente organization that seeks rethinking and public discussion of U.S. policy toward Russia.

Despite his impressive credentials and intimate knowledge of Russia and its history, you will rarely hear Cohen's voice in the mainstream press. And it is not for a lack of trying; his views, and those of others like him, are simply shut out of the media, which, along with almost every U.S. politician, has decided to vilify Russian and Putin, irrationally equating Putin with such tyrants as Adolf Hitler. As Cohen explains:

Even Henry Kissinger -- I think it was in March 2014 in the Washington Post -- wrote this line: "The demonization of Putin is not a policy. It's an alibi for not having a policy." And then I wrote in reply to that: That's right, but it's much worse than that, because it's also that the demonization of Putin is an obstacle to thinking rationally, having a rational discourse or debate about American national security. And it's not just this catastrophe in Ukraine and the new Cold War; it's from there to Syria to Afghanistan, to the proliferation of nuclear weapons, to fighting global terrorism. The demonization of Putin excludes a partner in the Kremlin that the U.S. needs, no matter who sits there.

And Cohen reminds us that, quite contrary to the common, manufactured perception in this country, we have a very willing and capable potential partner in Moscow right now. As Cohen explains, "Bill Clinton said this not too long ago: To the extent that he knew and dealt with Putin directly, he never knew him to say anything that he, Putin, didn't mean, or ever to go back on his word or break a promise he made to Clinton."

What's more, as Cohen reminds us, when the 9/11 attacks happened, Putin was the very first international leader to offer help to President Bush:

Putin called George Bush after 9/11 and said, "George, we're with you, whatever we can do," and in fact did more to help the Americans fight a land war in Afghanistan to oust the Taliban from Kabul. ... Russia still had a lot of assets in Afghanistan, including a fighting force called the Northern Alliance. It had probably better intelligence in and about Afghanistan than any country, and it had air-route transport for American forces to fight in Afghanistan. He gave all this -- Putin gave all this -- to the Bush administration. Putin's Kremlin, not a member of NATO, did more to help the American land war and save American lives, therefore, in Afghanistan, than any NATO country.

However, as Cohen explains, Bush strangely repaid Putin by (1) unilaterally withdrawing from the anti-ballistic (ABM) treaty, the "bedrock" of Russia's national security, and (2) launching the second wave of NATO expansion toward Russia.

And, as Cohen points out, this was not the only case in which the U.S. quite brazenly betrayed Russia in recent decades. Thus he notes that Presidents Clinton, Bush and Obama have all violated the very clear agreement that, in return for Gorbachev's allowing the reunification of Germany, the U.S. would not move NATO one inch further east. In addition, the U.S. undermined then-President Medvedev (who we claim to prefer to Putin) by unseating Gaddafi in Libya -- with disastrous consequences -- despite our promise to Russia that we would do no such thing if Russia agreed to the Security Council resolution approving the no-fly zone over Libya.

All of this history must be considered when we view the current crisis in Ukraine, which, Cohen warns, is quickly leading to a hot war with Russia. As Cohen relates:

If you took even the short time frame of the Ukrainian crisis and you began it in November 2013, when the then-elected president of Ukraine, Yanukovych, didn't actually refuse to sign the European Union's offer of a partnership with Europe. He asked for time to think about it. That brought the protesters in the streets. That led to the illegal overthrow of Yanukovych, which, by the way, Poroshenko, the current president, strangely now admits was illegal. ...

Then comes Putin's annexation or reunification of Crimea, as Russians call it. Then already evolving now in Eastern Ukraine are protests against what's happening in Kiev, because Eastern Ukraine was the electoral base of Yanukovych. Yanukovych was its president in a fundamental way. Then comes the proxy war, with Russia helping the rebel fighters in Eastern Ukraine and the United States and NATO helping the military forces of Kiev. ...

And so it went, on and on. Now, if you back up and ask who began the aggression, it's my argument -- for which I'm called a "Putin apologist," which I am not -- ... but the reality is that Putin has been mostly reactive. Let me say that again: reactive. If we had the time, I could explain to you why the reportedly benign European Union offer to Kiev in 2013 was not benign at all. No Ukrainian who wanted to survive could have accepted that. And by the way, it had clauses buried below that would've obliged Kiev to adhere to NATO military security policy. ...

Ukraine had been on Washington's agenda for a very, very long time; it is a matter of public record. It was to that that Putin reacted. It was to the fear that the new government in Kiev, which overthrew the elected government, had NATO backing and its next move would be toward Crimea and the Russian naval base there. ... But he was reacting, and as Kiev began an all-out war against the East, calling it the "anti-terrorist operation," with Washington's blessing. ...

This was clearly meant to be a war of destruction. ... Meanwhile, NATO began escalating its military presence. In each of these stages, a very close examination will show, as I'm sure historians will when they look back, that Putin has been primarily reactive. Now maybe his reactions have been wrong-headed. Maybe they've been too aggressive. That's something that could be discussed. ...

But this notion that this is all Putin's aggression, or Russia's aggression, is, if not 100-percent false, let us say, for the sake of being balanced and ecumenical, it's 50-percent false. And if Washington would admit that its narrative is 50-percent false, which means Russia's narrative is 50-percent correct, that's where negotiations begin and succeed.

I can only hope that the policy makers in this country will hear the voices of people like Professor Cohen and enter into rational negotiations with Russia in order that we may be spared what is shaping up to be a disastrous war in Europe.

Joseph Skibinsky · Top Commenter · Las Vegas, Nevada

I understood some time ago that USA presidents are very fickle animals, nobody can trust them and nobody is safe of them, they could turn from being a friend to be your enemy overnight, starting from Bush - father, and those who followed him. For those who don't believe me about Bush-father, I suggest to read Autobiography of Colin Powell who was a member of Bush's staff. And what Pr Cohen tells us about Bush-son confirms what I stated about our Presidents/politicians.
Those who want to comment on my statement, please, stick to facts. I don't take easily personal attacks and let me assure you, I will respond in kind.

Samuel Ramani · Contributor at The Huffington Post

I think that Professor Stephen Cohen is raising a valuable and vital point, that Russia's annexation of Crimea and Ukraine was not just naked aggression. Russia acted impulsively due to a variety of factors: the fear that it would lose great power status if NATO encroached onto its sphere too much, the fear that the Maidan protests could be an inspiration for unrest in Russia, and the concern that a Westward tilt for Ukraine would weaken his Eurasian Union project. Our perceptions of what is rational differ markedly from Russia's as our regimes are different and climate in which decision-making is made is different. Neoliberal_rationality/ is always contextual and the same should apply to Russia.

To prevent this conflict, an incremental approach would have been best- we should have very clearly delineated that EU association agreement would be strictly economic and not a gateway to immediate NATO membership for Ukraine. Preserving Ukrainian neutrality in security matters, while revitalizing its economy and broken political institutions was the optimal approach. I'm not excusing Russia's conduct by any means or claiming that Russia was right in annexing Crimea, and violating the sovereignty of Ukraine, but at the same time, we have to realize that Russia views this conflict from a very different lens than the West. Russia views NATO expansion in the CIS with the same alarm as we would if Russian missiles and equipment started appearing in Latin American countries with uncomfortable proximity to America. Russia views sovereignty not as the inviolable rights of individual countries but the inviolable integrity of the Russian sphere of influence (the CIS), as a zone that the West cannot enter and intervene.

Donald Schellberg · Top Commenter · Universidad Tecnológica de Panamá

It seems like you are leaving the Ukrainian people out of this. I don't think it is between the US and Russia. It is for them to decide. They should allow a referendum in Donbas, free an open with international monitors. The same with Crimea. If the majority of the permanent residents want to remain in Russia, that is fine, if not let them choose. If Crimea does formally become part of Russia under this referendum than Russia should reimburse the Ukrainian government for the businesses, bases and state institutions that were taken over. And Ukraine would guarantee access via Maripol until they finish the bridge. Just my opinion.

John-Albert Eadie · Top Commenter · Stanford University

This is late. If you look in adjacent media you will see folks like Stephen Cohen and others are not ignored, but looked to as being experts. WHAT YOU MUST DO IS LOOK TO ALTERNATIVE MEDIA. BECAUSE Time, WSJ, and all else cannot be trusted. Then you would have first seen Stephen Cohen's stuff, and many serious others. Try Facebook first, flimsy as it seems.

[Jul 10, 2015] A dozen foreign NGOs declared unwelcome in Russia Europe

Looks like Russian authorities started to take the danger of color revolutions more seriously...
"...On Wednesday, 12 foreign NGOs were placed on a blacklist, reflecting an intensified crackdown in Russia on activities that represent a "threat to constitutional order and national security.""

Jul 09, 2015 | DW.COM

A dozen foreign NGOs declared unwelcome in Russia

The Duma's Federation Council has placed 12 foreign NGOs in Russia on a blacklist and forbidden any activity in the country. The new legislation has placed even tighter restrictions on NGOs in Russia than before.

The first step was to force domestic non-governmental organizations in Russia to register as "agents." Now Moscow has gone a step further and taken aim at foreign NGOs active in the country. According to freshly passed legislation, cooperation with foreign organizations is punishable by law.

Since 2012, when the so-called "agent laws" were passed by Russian parliament, all organizations within the country that received foreign aid were forced to register as "foreign agents." On Wednesday, 12 foreign NGOs were placed on a blacklist, reflecting an intensified crackdown in Russia on activities that represent a "threat to constitutional order and national security."

The list includes seven independent organizations based in the United States, including Freedom House and the National Democratic Institute (NDI). Two Polish organizations, including the East European Democratic Center based in Warsaw, and three Ukrainian organizations, including the Ukrainian World Congress (UWC), are on the list. No German NGOs have been blacklisted.

The list is the result of consultations between Konstantin Kossatschow, head of the Foreign Affairs Committee of the Duma's Federation Council, the chief state prosecutor, the Foreign Ministry and the Kremlin's domestic intelligence service.

"We decided to place these organizations on the blacklist, because they have used all means in an attempt to interfere in Russia's foreign affairs," Kossatschow told Interfax news agency on Thursday.

Concern and anger

The organizations implicated took a very different view of the situation. Freedom House immediately called the legislation a grave mistake. "The Russian government has worked tirelessly to limit human rights in the country," Robert Ruby, director of communications at Freedom House, told DW. The NDI said the laws would further contribute to Russia's international isolation.

Agnieszka Komorowska, chair of Warsaw's East European Democratic Center, called the decision unfathomable.

"We don't really understand why we have been placed on this blacklist," Komorowska said. "For 15 years, we have worked as an NGO for independent media in Russia. Our objective has always been to help the people who live there - and not any political organizations. Our work has never been directed at anyone in particular."

NGOs won't give up

The new legislation has been criticized in Germany, as well. Stefan Liebich, the parliamentary foreign affairs spokesperson for the Left party, reiterated the criticism voiced by the NGOs, saying Russia was further isolating itself on the global stage. Marieluise Beck, the Green's parliamentary spokesperson for eastern European affairs, said the new laws reflected an "increasing repression of Russian civil society in connection with the Kremlin's treatment of its European neighbors." Beck decried Russia's "increasingly harsh handling of those campaigning from abroad for a more democratic, open Russia."

The foreign NGOs on the blacklist are aware that the new laws have distinguished them as "unwanted organizations" and that any cooperation with them could be seen as a crime. However, they have said this will not stop them. Robert Ruby of Freedom House said Thursday that his organization will continue to support anyone in Russia who is willing to "fight for democracy."

[Jul 10, 2015] US torture doctors could face charges after report alleges post-9/11 collusion

"...Fascism is well understood, its not just a perjorative buzzword. I think its definition is a bit out of date -- instead of a nationalist, militaristic political ideology mobilizing corporations and the population as an expression of national will it looks more like corporatism enlisting the trappings of extreme nationalism and militarism to further its agenda."
Jul 10, 2015 | The Guardian

Littlemissv -> norecovery 10 Jul 2015 18:51

Here is a comment from JCDavis with some important information:

Russ Tice revealed that the NSA was spying on Obama as early as 2004 at the behest of Dick Cheney, who had already convinced the NSA's director Hayden to break the law and spy on everyone with power.

It can't be any coincidence that President Obama went (or was sent) to Bill "Cheney is the best Republican" Kristol to get his foreign policy validated, and Kristol congratulated him on it, calling him a "born-again neocon."

And it is no coincidence that Obama has the Cheney protegee Victoria Nuland in his administration, right in the center of his new cold war with Russia. And no coincidence that she is the wife of neocon Robert Kagan, who with Bill Kristol founded PNAC. PNAC counts neocon Paul Wolfowitz as a member, who saw Russia as our main obstacle to world empire.

It's a nest of neocons running Obama as a puppet and pushing us into a confrontation with Russia while smashing all the Russian allies according to the Wolfowitz doctrine.

norecovery 10 Jul 2015 17:34

Many of the Neocon criminals that promoted and started that awful war are still in power behind the scenes in the Obama administration, and they are still doing their dirty deeds throughout the MENA and in Ukraine.


martinusher TickleMyFancy 10 Jul 2015 17:20

Fascism is well understood, its not just a perjorative buzzword. I think its definition is a bit out of date -- instead of a nationalist, militaristic political ideology mobilizing corporations and the population as an expression of national will it looks more like corporatism enlisting the trappings of extreme nationalism and militarism to further its agenda.

(The distinction is a bit subtle, come to think of it. Maybe its easier to just stick to slinging names about....)


reptile0000 Cornelis Davids 10 Jul 2015 16:50

Yeh thats what i said American war is Global. Their leaders repeatedly say it over and over again. Nothings surprising about their doctors torturing people kidnapped from all over the world. Brutal empire that's what it is for many around the world


[Jul 09, 2015] Hatred Toward Russia Turns Western Leaders 'Incredibly Stupid'

Jul 09, 2015 | Sputnik International

Western leaders are so blinded by their hatred toward Russia and Vladimir Putin that they have started taking absurd and miscalculated steps, French journalist Ronald Zonca said in Boulevard Voltaire.

Instead of building a favorable economic partnership with the BRICS members, the West alienates a potential ally in Moscow. If France continues to thoughtlessly follow NATO policies, soon everyone in the world will hate it, as they do the United States, Zonca said.

Instead of trying to work out a deal with the BRICS members, the EU prefers to close itself in "Brussels' coffin."

"Hate makes people not only blind and deaf, but also incredibly stupid," Zonca wrote in Boulevard Voltaire.

Western leaders long ago became the "bundles of hatred" who blindly force NATO principles on everyone. Russia became the target of this policy of hatred because it has an independent position established by the interests of the Russian people, the French journalist said.

European leaders envy Vladimir Putin. Compared to him, they feel their mediocrity and weakness, dictated by their service to NATO and the United States. The Russian President has overwhelming support among his own people, something most Western leaders lack. The only thing European leaders can do is try to undermine Putin's popularity and charisma. They envy the Russian leader and their hatred towards him and Russia only keeps increasing. People tend to hate things that they can't have themselves, Zonca explained.

[Jul 08, 2015]Are we the fascists now?

Jul 03, 2015 | OffGuardian
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The recent 70th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz was a reminder of the great crime of fascism, whose Nazi iconography is embedded in our consciousness. Fascism is preserved as history, as flickering footage of goose-stepping blackshirts, their criminality terrible and clear. Yet in the same liberal societies, whose war-making elites urge us never to forget, the accelerating danger of a modern kind of fascism is suppressed; for it is their fascism.

To initiate a war of aggression…," said the Nuremberg Tribunal judges in 1946, "is not only an international crime, it is the supreme international crime, differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole."

Had the Nazis not invaded Europe, Auschwitz and the Holocaust would not have happened. Had the United States and its satellites not initiated their war of aggression in Iraq in 2003, almost a million people would be alive today; and Islamic State, or ISIS, would not have us in thrall to its savagery. They are the progeny of modern fascism, weaned by the bombs, bloodbaths and lies that are the surreal theatre known as news.

Libya

Like the fascism of the 1930s and 1940s, big lies are delivered with the precision of a metronome: thanks to an omnipresent, repetitive media and its virulent censorship by omission. Take the catastrophe in Libya.

In 2011, Nato launched 9,700 "strike sorties" against Libya, of which more than a third were aimed at civilian targets. Uranium warheads were used; the cities of Misurata and Sirte were carpet-bombed. The Red Cross identified mass graves, and Unicef reported that "most [of the children killed] were under the age of ten".

The public sodomising of the Libyan president Muammar Gaddafi with a "rebel" bayonet was greeted by the then US Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton, with the words: "We came, we saw, he died." His murder, like the destruction of his country, was justified with a familiar big lie; he was planning "genocide" against his own people. "We knew… that if we waited one more day," said President Obama, "Benghazi, a city the size of Charlotte, could suffer a massacre that would have reverberated across the region and stained the conscience of the world."

This was the fabrication of Islamist militias facing defeat by Libyan government forces. They told Reuters there would be "a real bloodbath, a massacre like we saw in Rwanda". Reported on March 14, 2011, the lie provided the first spark for Nato's inferno, described by David Cameron as a "humanitarian intervention".

Secretly supplied and trained by Britain's SAS, many of the "rebels" would become ISIS, whose latest video offering shows the beheading of 21 Coptic Christian workers seized in Sirte, the city destroyed on their behalf by Nato bombers.

For Obama, David Cameron and then French President Nicolas Sarkozy, Gaddafi's true crime was Libya's economic independence and his declared intention to stop selling Africa's greatest oil reserves in US dollars. The petrodollar is a pillar of American imperial power. Gaddafi audaciously planned to underwrite a common African currency backed by gold, establish an all-Africa bank and promote economic union among poor countries with prized resources. Whether or not this would happen, the very notion was intolerable to the US as it prepared to "enter" Africa and bribe African governments with military "partnerships".

Following Nato's attack under cover of a Security Council resolution, Obama, wrote Garikai Chengu…

confiscated $30 billion from Libya's Central Bank, which Gaddafi had earmarked for the establishment of an African Central Bank and the African gold backed dinar currency".

The Balkans

The "humanitarian war" against Libya drew on a model close to western liberal hearts, especially in the media. In 1999, Bill Clinton and Tony Blair sent Nato to bomb Serbia, because, they lied, the Serbs were committing "genocide" against ethnic Albanians in the secessionist province of Kosovo. David Scheffer, US ambassador-at-large for war crimes [sic], claimed that as many as "225,000 ethnic Albanian men aged between 14 and 59″ might have been murdered. Both Clinton and Blair evoked the Holocaust and "the spirit of the Second World War". The West's heroic allies were the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA), whose criminal record was set aside. The British Foreign Secretary, Robin Cook, told them to call him any time on his mobile phone.

With the Nato bombing over, and much of Serbia's infrastructure in ruins, along with schools, hospitals, monasteries and the national TV station, international forensic teams descended upon Kosovo to exhume evidence of the "holocaust". The FBI failed to find a single mass grave and went home. The Spanish forensic team did the same, its leader angrily denouncing "a semantic pirouette by the war propaganda machines". A year later, a United Nations tribunal on Yugoslavia announced the final count of the dead in Kosovo: 2,788. This included combatants on both sides and Serbs and Roma murdered by the KLA.

There was no genocide. The "holocaust" was a lie. The Nato attack had been fraudulent.

Behind the lie, there was serious purpose. Yugoslavia was a uniquely independent, multi-ethnic federation that had stood as a political and economic bridge in the Cold War. Most of its utilities and major manufacturing was publicly owned. This was not acceptable to the expanding European Community, especially newly united Germany, which had begun a drive east to capture its "natural market" in the Yugoslav provinces of Croatia and Slovenia. By the time the Europeans met at Maastricht in 1991 to lay their plans for the disastrous eurozone, a secret deal had been struck; Germany would recognise Croatia. Yugoslavia was doomed.

In Washington, the US saw that the struggling Yugoslav economy was denied World Bank loans. Nato, then an almost defunct Cold War relic, was reinvented as imperial enforcer. At a 1999 Kosovo "peace" conference in Rambouillet, in France, the Serbs were subjected to the enforcer's duplicitous tactics. The Rambouillet accord included a secret Annex B, which the US delegation inserted on the last day. This demanded the military occupation of the whole of Yugoslavia – a country with bitter memories of the Nazi occupation – and the implementation of a "free-market economy" and the privatisation of all government assets. No sovereign state could sign this. Punishment followed swiftly; Nato bombs fell on a defenceless country. It was the precursor to the catastrophes in Afghanistan and Iraq, Syria and Libya, and Ukraine.

Since 1945, more than a third of the membership of the United Nations – 69 countries – have suffered some or all of the following at the hands of America's modern fascism. They have been invaded, their governments overthrown, their popular movements suppressed, their elections subverted, their people bombed and their economies stripped of all protection, their societies subjected to a crippling siege known as "sanctions". The British historian Mark Curtis estimates the death toll in the millions. In every case, a big lie was deployed.

Afghanistan

Tonight, for the first time since 9/11, our combat mission in Afghanistan is over."

These were opening words of Obama's 2015 State of the Union address. In fact, some 10,000 troops and 20,000 military contractors (mercenaries) remain in Afghanistan on indefinite assignment. "The longest war in American history is coming to a responsible conclusion," said Obama. In fact, more civilians were killed in Afghanistan in 2014 than in any year since the UN took records.

The majority have been killed – civilians and soldiers – during Obama's time as president.

The tragedy of Afghanistan rivals the epic crime in Indochina. In his lauded and much quoted book 'The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and Its Geostrategic Imperatives', Zbigniew Brzezinski, the godfather of US policies from Afghanistan to the present day, writes that if America is to control Eurasia and dominate the world, it cannot sustain a popular democracy, because "the pursuit of power is not a goal that commands popular passion… Democracy is inimical to imperial mobilisation." He is right. As WikiLeaks and Edward Snowden have revealed, a surveillance and police state is usurping democracy. In 1976, Brzezinski, then President Carter's National Security Advisor, demonstrated his point by dealing a death blow to Afghanistan's first and only democracy. Who knows this vital history?

In the 1960s, a popular revolution swept Afghanistan, the poorest country on earth, eventually overthrowing the vestiges of the aristocratic regime in 1978. The People's Democratic Party of Afghanistan (PDPA) formed a government and declared a reform programme that included the abolition of feudalism, freedom for all religions, equal rights for women and social justice for the ethnic minorities. More than 13,000 political prisoners were freed and police files publicly burned.

The new government introduced free medical care for the poorest; peonage was abolished, a mass literacy programme was launched. For women, the gains were unheard of. By the late 1980s, half the university students were women, and women made up almost half of Afghanistan's doctors, a third of civil servants and the majority of teachers. "Every girl," recalled Saira Noorani, a female surgeon, "could go to high school and university. We could go where we wanted and wear what we liked. We used to go to cafes and the cinema to see the latest Indian film on a Friday and listen to the latest music. It all started to go wrong when the mujaheddin started winning. They used to kill teachers and burn schools. We were terrified. It was funny and sad to think these were the people the West supported."

The PDPA government was backed by the Soviet Union, even though, as former Secretary of State Cyrus Vance later admitted, "there was no evidence of any Soviet complicity [in the revolution]". Alarmed by the growing confidence of liberation movements throughout the world, Brzezinski decided that if Afghanistan was to succeed under the PDPA, its independence and progress would offer the "threat of a promising example".

On July 3, 1979, the White House secretly authorised support for tribal "fundamentalist" groups known as the mujaheddin, a program that grew to over $500 million a year in U.S. arms and other assistance. The aim was the overthrow of Afghanistan's first secular, reformist government. In August 1979, the US embassy in Kabul reported that "the United States' larger interests… would be served by the demise of [the PDPA government], despite whatever setbacks this might mean for future social and economic reforms in Afghanistan." The italics are mine.

The mujaheddin were the forebears of al-Qaeda and Islamic State. They included Gulbuddin Hekmatyar, who received tens of millions of dollars in cash from the CIA Hekmatyar's specialty was trafficking in opium and throwing acid in the faces of women who refused to wear the veil. Invited to London, he was lauded by Prime Minister Thatcher as a "freedom fighter".

Such fanatics might have remained in their tribal world had Brzezinski not launched an international movement to promote Islamic fundamentalism in Central Asia and so undermine secular political liberation and "destabilise" the Soviet Union, creating, as he wrote in his autobiography, "a few stirred up Muslims". His grand plan coincided with the ambitions of the Pakistani dictator, General Zia ul-Haq, to dominate the region. In 1986, the CIA and Pakistan's intelligence agency, the ISI, began to recruit people from around the world to join the Afghan jihad. The Saudi multi-millionaire Osama bin Laden was one of them. Operatives who would eventually join the Taliban and al-Qaeda, were recruited at an Islamic college in Brooklyn, New York, and given paramilitary training at a CIA camp in Virginia. This was called "Operation Cyclone". Its success was celebrated in 1996 when the last PDPA president of Afghanistan, Mohammed Najibullah – who had gone before the UN General Assembly to plead for help – was hanged from a streetlight by the Taliban.

The "blowback" of Operation Cyclone and its "few stirred up Muslims" was September 11, 2001. Operation Cyclone became the "war on terror", in which countless men, women and children would lose their lives across the Muslim world, from Afghanistan to Iraq, Yemen, Somalia and Syria. The enforcer's message was and remains: "You are with us or against us."

The common thread is mass murder

The common thread in fascism, past and present, is mass murder. The American invasion of Vietnam had its "free fire zones", "body counts" and "collateral damage". In the province of Quang Ngai, where I reported from, many thousands of civilians ("gooks") were murdered by the US; yet only one massacre, at My Lai, is remembered. In Laos and Cambodia, the greatest aerial bombardment in history produced an epoch of terror marked today by the spectacle of joined-up bomb craters which, from the air, resemble monstrous necklaces. The bombing gave Cambodia its own ISIS, led by Pol Pot.

Today, the world's greatest single campaign of terror entails the execution of entire families, guests at weddings, mourners at funerals. These are Obama's victims. According to the New York Times, Obama makes his selection from a CIA "kill list" presented to him every Tuesday in the White House Situation Room. He then decides, without a shred of legal justification, who will live and who will die. His execution weapon is the Hellfire missile carried by a pilotless aircraft known as a drone; these roast their victims and festoon the area with their remains. Each "hit" is registered on a faraway console screen as a "bugsplat".

"For goose-steppers," wrote the historian Norman Pollack, "substitute the seemingly more innocuous militarisation of the total culture. And for the bombastic leader, we have the reformer manque, blithely at work, planning and executing assassination, smiling all the while."

Uniting fascism old and new is the cult of superiority. "I believe in American exceptionalism with every fibre of my being," said Obama, evoking declarations of national fetishism from the 1930s. As the historian Alfred W. McCoy has pointed out, it was the Hitler devotee, Carl Schmitt, who said, "The sovereign is he who decides the exception." This sums up Americanism, the world's dominant ideology. That it remains unrecognised as a predatory ideology is the achievement of an equally unrecognised brainwashing. Insidious, undeclared, presented wittily as enlightenment on the march, its conceit insinuates western culture. I grew up on a cinematic diet of American glory, almost all of it a distortion. I had no idea that it was the Red Army that had destroyed most of the Nazi war machine, at a cost of as many as 13 million soldiers. By contrast, US losses, including in the Pacific, were 400,000. Hollywood reversed this.

The difference now is that cinema audiences are invited to wring their hands at the "tragedy" of American psychopaths having to kill people in distant places – just as the President himself kills them. The embodiment of Hollywood's violence, the actor and director Clint Eastwood, was nominated for an Oscar this year for his movie, 'American Sniper', which is about a licensed murderer and nutcase. The New York Times described it as a "patriotic, pro-family picture which broke all attendance records in its opening days".

There are no heroic movies about America's embrace of fascism. During the Second World War, America (and Britain) went to war against Greeks who had fought heroically against Nazism and were resisting the rise of Greek fascism. In 1967, the CIA helped bring to power a fascist military junta in Athens – as it did in Brazil and most of Latin America. Germans and east Europeans who had colluded with Nazi aggression and crimes against humanity were given safe haven in the US; many were pampered and their talents rewarded. Wernher von Braun was the "father" of both the Nazi V-2 terror bomb and the US space programme.

Ukraine

In the 1990s, as former Soviet republics, eastern Europe and the Balkans became military outposts of Nato, the heirs to a Nazi movement in Ukraine were given their opportunity. Responsible for the deaths of thousands of Jews, Poles and Russians during the Nazi invasion of the Soviet Union, Ukrainian fascism was rehabilitated and its "new wave" hailed by the enforcer as "nationalists".

This reached its apogee in 2014 when the Obama administration splashed out $5 billion on a coup against the elected government. The shock troops were neo-Nazis known as the Right Sector and Svoboda. Their leaders include Oleh Tyahnybok, who has called for a purge of the "Moscow-Jewish mafia" and "other scum", including gays, feminists and those on the political left.

These fascists are now integrated into the Kiev coup government. The first deputy speaker of the Ukrainian parliament, Andriy Parubiy, a leader of the governing party, is co-founder of Svoboda. On February 14, Parubiy announced he was flying to Washington get "the USA to give us highly precise modern weaponry". If he succeeds, it will be seen as an act of war by Russia.

No western leader has spoken up about the revival of fascism in the heart of Europe – with the exception of Vladimir Putin, whose people lost 22 million to a Nazi invasion that came through the borderland of Ukraine. At the recent Munich Security Conference, Obama's Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs, Victoria Nuland, ranted abuse about European leaders for opposing the US arming of the Kiev regime. She referred to the German Defence Minister as "the minister for defeatism". It was Nuland who masterminded the coup in Kiev. The wife of Robert D. Kagan, a leading "neo-con" luminary and co-founder of the extreme right wing Project for a New American Century, she was foreign policy advisor to Dick Cheney.

Nuland's coup did not go to plan. Nato was prevented from seizing Russia's historic, legitimate, warm-water naval base in Crimea. The mostly Russian population of Crimea – illegally annexed to Ukraine by Nikita Krushchev in 1954 – voted overwhelmingly to return to Russia, as they had done in the 1990s. The referendum was voluntary, popular and internationally observed. There was no invasion.

At the same time, the Kiev regime turned on the ethnic Russian population in the east with the ferocity of ethnic cleansing. Deploying neo-Nazi militias in the manner of the Waffen-SS, they bombed and laid to siege cities and towns. They used mass starvation as a weapon, cutting off electricity, freezing bank accounts, stopping social security and pensions. More than a million refugees fled across the border into Russia. In the western media, they became unpeople escaping "the violence" caused by the "Russian invasion". The Nato commander, General Breedlove – whose name and actions might have been inspired by Stanley Kubrick's Dr. Strangelove – announced that 40,000 Russian troops were "massing". In the age of forensic satellite evidence, he offered none.

These Russian-speaking and bilingual people of Ukraine – a third of the population – have long sought a federation that reflects the country's ethnic diversity and is both autonomous and independent of Moscow. Most are not "separatists" but citizens who want to live securely in their homeland and oppose the power grab in Kiev. Their revolt and establishment of autonomous "states" are a reaction to Kiev's attacks on them. Little of this has been explained to western audiences.

On May 2, 2014, in Odessa, 41 ethnic Russians were burned alive in the trade union headquarters with police standing by. The Right Sector leader Dmytro Yarosh hailed the massacre as "another bright day in our national history". In the American and British media, this was reported as a "murky tragedy" resulting from "clashes" between "nationalists" (neo-Nazis) and "separatists" (people collecting signatures for a referendum on a federal Ukraine).

The New York Times buried the story, having dismissed as Russian propaganda warnings about the fascist and anti-Semitic policies of Washington's new clients. The Wall Street Journal damned the victims – "Deadly Ukraine Fire Likely Sparked by Rebels, Government Says". Obama congratulated the junta for its "restraint".

If Putin can be provoked into coming to their aid, his pre-ordained "pariah" role in the West will justify the lie that Russia is invading Ukraine. On January 29, Ukraine's top military commander, General Viktor Muzhemko, almost inadvertently dismissed the very basis for US and EU sanctions on Russia when he told a news conference emphatically: "The Ukrainian army is not fighting with the regular units of the Russian Army". There were "individual citizens" who were members of "illegal armed groups", but there was no Russian invasion. This was not news. Vadym Prystaiko, Kiev's Deputy Foreign Minister, has called for "full scale war" with nuclear-armed Russia.

On February 21, US Senator James Inhofe, a Republican from Oklahoma, introduced a bill that would authorise American arms for the Kiev regime. In his Senate presentation, Inhofe used photographs he claimed were of Russian troops crossing into Ukraine, which have long been exposed as fakes. It was reminiscent of Ronald Reagan's fake pictures of a Soviet installation in Nicaragua, and Colin Powell's fake evidence to the UN of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

The intensity of the smear campaign against Russia and the portrayal of its president as a pantomime villain is unlike anything I have known as a reporter. Robert Parry, one of America's most distinguished investigative journalists, who revealed the Iran-Contra scandal, wrote recently, "No European government, since Adolf Hitler's Germany, has seen fit to dispatch Nazi storm troopers to wage war on a domestic population, but the Kiev regime has and has done so knowingly. Yet across the West's media/political spectrum, there has been a studious effort to cover up this reality even to the point of ignoring facts that have been well established… If you wonder how the world could stumble into world war three – much as it did into world war one a century ago – all you need to do is look at the madness over Ukraine that has proved impervious to facts or reason."

In 1946, the Nuremberg Tribunal prosecutor said of the German media: "The use made by Nazi conspirators of psychological warfare is well known. Before each major aggression, with some few exceptions based on expediency, they initiated a press campaign calculated to weaken their victims and to prepare the German people psychologically for the attack… In the propaganda system of the Hitler State it was the daily press and the radio that were the most important weapons." In the Guardian on February 2, Timothy Garton-Ash called, in effect, for a world war. "Putin must be stopped," said the headline. "And sometimes only guns can stop guns." He conceded that the threat of war might "nourish a Russian paranoia of encirclement"; but that was fine. He name-checked the military equipment needed for the job and advised his readers that "America has the best kit".

In 2003, Garton-Ash, an Oxford professor, repeated the propaganda that led to the slaughter in Iraq. Saddam Hussein, he wrote, "has, as [Colin] Powell documented, stockpiled large quantities of horrifying chemical and biological weapons, and is hiding what remains of them. He is still trying to get nuclear ones." He lauded Blair as a "Gladstonian, Christian liberal interventionist". In 2006, he wrote, "Now we face the next big test of the West after Iraq: Iran."

The outbursts – or as Garton-Ash prefers, his "tortured liberal ambivalence" – are not untypical of those in the transatlantic liberal elite who have struck a Faustian deal. The war criminal Blair is their lost leader. The Guardian, in which Garton-Ash's piece appeared, published a full-page advertisement for an American Stealth bomber. On a menacing image of the Lockheed Martin monster were the words: "The F-35. GREAT For Britain". This American "kit" will cost British taxpayers £1.3 billion, its F-model predecessors having slaughtered across the world. In tune with its advertiser, a Guardian editorial has demanded an increase in military spending.

Once again, there is serious purpose. The rulers of the world want Ukraine not only as a missile base; they want its economy. Kiev's new Finance Minister, Nataliwe Jaresko, is a former senior US State Department official in charge of US overseas "investment". She was hurriedly given Ukrainian citizenship. They want Ukraine for its abundant gas; Vice President Joe Biden's son is on the board of Ukraine's biggest oil, gas and fracking company. The manufacturers of GM seeds, companies such as the infamous Monsanto, want Ukraine's rich farming soil.

Above all, they want Ukraine's mighty neighbour, Russia. They want to Balkanise or dismember Russia and exploit the greatest source of natural gas on earth. As the Arctic ice melts, they want control of the Arctic Ocean and its energy riches, and Russia's long Arctic land border. Their man in Moscow used to be Boris Yeltsin, a drunk, who handed his country's economy to the West. His successor, Putin, has re-established Russia as a sovereign nation; that is his crime.

The responsibility of the rest of us is clear. It is to identify and expose the reckless lies of warmongers and never to collude with them. It is to re-awaken the great popular movements that brought a fragile civilisation to modern imperial states. Most important, it is to prevent the conquest of ourselves: our minds, our humanity, our self respect. If we remain silent, victory over us is assured, and a holocaust beckons.

[Jul 05, 2015]Russian university fires US academic accused of harming national interests

"...This particular one is not a scientist, he was an administrator. And a CEO of a venture-capital company, so that he probably doesn't need a job, to survive."
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"...I wonder if calling what Washington has been doing for the last year can be called "waging war". They certainly attack Russia in every way they think possible: economy, diplomacy, military buildup, media demonization campaigns, and just a total overall hostility.

Maybe the word "war" is too strong a metaphor, but given that it is simply not possible to have a shooting war with Russia (those damn nukes!), this might be as war-like that it will ever get. It is pretty dismally ugly and reflects rather poorly on West's residual rationality."

Jul 05, 2015 | The Guardian

MaoChengJi -> Калинин Юрий 5 Jul 2015 08:19

...and incidentally even academic tenure doesn't help: check out the Ward Churchill controversy.

Also, I don't think you're right assuming that this is all government pressure. I'd argue that this is mostly public pressure. Private enterprises aren't immune. People who are perceived as enemies are going to be ostracized no matter what. All you can do is to insist that they are not illegally discriminated. And in this case I assume everything was done by the book.


MaoChengJi -> Калинин Юрий 4 Jul 2015 10:40

"I am sure that this particular scientist will find a job. But the whole situation is sad."

This particular one is not a scientist, he was an administrator. And a CEO of a venture-capital company, so that he probably doesn't need a job, to survive.

However, for the scientists Americans have a mechanism to ensure at least some degree of independence: tenure. There are pluses and minuses, of course, like in everything else.

Does it exist in Russia?


Beckow Gunnar -> René Øie 4 Jul 2015 02:22

There are obscenity laws in US and many EU countries (Poland!!) that are identical to the Russian law. Same for the "foreign agent" laws. Instead of addressing it, you repeat as an assertion that "in Russia it is different...inconsistent and arbitrary".

Really? Why? Because you say so? You realize that is not an argument? Back up what you say, we could all assert things we want. I can say that "blacks are not treated equally by law in US". Is that true?

Regarding slavery or British colonial mass murder: why Rhodes, that would be too easy. Why not Churchill, or Queen Victoria, or Jefferson/Washington? Are US-UK ready to denounce them? If not, why do they expect others to demonize their own past personalities? Learn how to use the same metric, be objective, or you will simply stay irrelevant...hypocrisy is fatal for people who want to preach to others. We might be beyond point of no return for the current Western preachers...


nnedjo 4 Jul 2015 02:00

White told the Guardian by email that he was on vacation in Florida but would be returning to Russia this weekend. "What I am going to find there is absolutely not clear to me now that I am proposed to be on some sort of stop list," White said. "But I plan to meet with the university to try to better understand the situation with my good friends and colleagues there."

From all this it is only clear that even for the professor White himself is not clear what exactly is going on with his position on the Lobachevsky University. But, as usual, Moscow Times is the only one who is best informed about everything.

This Moscow Times is a really interesting newspaper. It is published in Russia, but nobody seems to read it there. Unlike the Western media, which immediately reprinted their news as they occur.:-)


Калинин Юрий Gunnar René Øie 3 Jul 2015 22:23

For sure the american soldiers are there.
The situation of your poor country exactly the same that has been described by Bernard Shaw in his book Arms and the man. A war between Bulgaria and Serbia. All the officers in Bulgaria were Russians and all the officers in Serbia were Austrians and even a soldier from Switzerland. Because locals are too stupid and ignorant.
Even BBC already call it a civil war but you continue to cry an ocean about the Russian troops there. Poroshenko tells about 200 000 - more then the army of Germany. Ask him - what does he smoke and where you can buy it.


Mo Rochdale sasha19 3 Jul 2015 20:03

Who's closing of who? The yanks started this by banning russian businessmen and politicians. It sticks in your crow when somebody does it back to the yanks.


Russianelf caliento 3 Jul 2015 16:21

As the saying goes "a friend in need is a friend indeed" :-).

Why have not you mentioned Xi Jinping?

20 years ago the first president of Russia, Boris Eltssin, always drunk and funny, destroyed Russian industry and economy. I was a minor at that time but I remember clearly that I had nothing to eat then. He was so much welcome by US and its satellites. He had many friends!
If you think that UK and US are friends you are deeply mistaken!


AndreyR2008 Gunnar René Øie 3 Jul 2015 16:10

So in nutshell it's bad not because it's bad but because it's Russian.
Thank you! Finally somebody of our western teachers had an honesty to say that outloud.


Beckow Gunnar René Øie 3 Jul 2015 13:29

Your distinctions do not establish a real difference. Those are adjustments that account for different situation in Russia vs. US, e.g. lots and lots of Russian oligarchs have foreign citizenships and keep their money abroad - e.g. Zimin, etc...

Russian law against "indecent sexual propaganda to minors (under 18)" is actually also almost identical to laws in many US states, and also laws in Poland, Romania, Lithuania, and lots of other countries in EU. There is no mention of gay-this or that, it simply says that minors cannot be "exposed" to non-traditional stuff that could be considered obscene.

So the laws are the same, and somehow none of this attracts much attention in the West, only when it is in Russia, they are "shocked". That is a definition of total hypocrisy. Your argument that it is the "application" of the law that is different is not supported by any evidence: the number if cases in Russia where these questionable laws have been used is very small, the outcomes were ambiguous (small fines, endless appeals, etc...), in other words none of the Western hysteria is reflected in reality.

You seem to - like "Ijust want to say" - live in a virtual reality that you have created based on ideology, endless dated allusions (Dzerzhinsky?), and a bit of dislike or even hatred for the "eastern beast". In other words your thinking is not reality-based it is politicized. That is not a good place to be, reality will come back to bite you. I can also pontificate on US genocides (natives, slavery) or British murderous march around the word - it is past, not that relevant today. Let go of this obsession with Stalin, he has been dead for 60 years. Look at Russia as it is today, don't exaggerate, calm down and maybe peace can prevail....


LoneSurvivor AbsolutelyFapulous 3 Jul 2015 13:17

LOL. What virtual reality are you in?

AbsolutelyFapulous 3 Jul 2015 13:09

He can now teach in russian language in Ukraine, if he wants. And go back later to Russia, together with the Ukraine army, conquering the European part of it.


Agatha_appears AbsolutelyFapulous 3 Jul 2015 12:29

Absolutely fabulous lies


Калинин Юрий 3 Jul 2015 09:47

AbsolutelyFapulous - 12 messages
dropthemchammer - 240 both with the replies
truk10 - only 8 with the answers
Luminaire - 29 with the answers
raffine - 59 with the answers
srmttmrs - 106 messages including the answers

You guys are talking to each other. Get yourself a good job!

johnbonn 3 Jul 2015 08:19

It is not paranoia at all. It is sanctions for sanctions. But there is no question that the US is aggressively organizing protests and orchestrating regime change in the RF.

The Pentagon will work tirelessly and relentlessly to unsettle the RF until it can extricate Crimea from Russia.

Crimea is the crossroads of the Middle East, Europe, and Asia and is the single most strategically situated piece of land on the planet.

centerline Luminaire 3 Jul 2015 04:12

that the Kiev regime are US backed is in every MSM article. It is in the Ukraine Freedom act passed by congress into law in the US and signed by Obomber.

Popeyes raffine 3 Jul 2015 04:01

You really need to do more research currently there are 21 universities in Russia featured within the QS World University Rankings® 2014/15, five of which are placed among the top 400 universities worldwide. Russia also boasts a substantial presence in the QS University Rankings: BRICS 2014, a ranking of the leading universities in the BRICS countries (Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa), with 53 Russian universities making the BRICS top 200.Lomonosov Moscow State University, or Lomonosov MSU for short, is Russia's highest ranked institution, placed 114th in the world in the QS World University Rankings® 2014/15.


vr13vr raffine 3 Jul 2015 02:01

We might not have the "fifth column" argument but we simply fire academics for them expressing opinion that doesn't match the one of the administration. Which, come to think of it is even worse. At least Russians believe in some potential threat while we don't even need threat, we just fire whoever disagree with us:

http://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2015/02/stripping-a-professor-of-tenure-over-a-blog-post/385280/

https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/academic-heavyweights-slam-univ-illinois-firing-steven-salaita-palestine-views

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ward_Churchill

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2014/05/19/firing-sets-debate-over-whether-deans-must-publicly-back-administrations

And so on.


Agatha_appears MaoChengJi 3 Jul 2015 01:53

Kendrick was not a rector but vice-rector on innnovations. I assume the University needed him badly to get some grants and launch joint projects with businesses.

He was not fired . He is no longer vice-president, but is dotzen and, as far as I know, heads a laboratory or center that deals with innivations, start ups etc. But he is really a great guy.


vr13vr 2 Jul 2015 21:40

I hold and MBA and it doesn't make me an academic. His bio by the way does not mention neither MBA nor PhD.


Beckow Gunnar René Øie 2 Jul 2015 20:49

It is the same. Same law, same interpretation - being a "foreign agent" is not the same as a "spy". There has been controversy about "foreign funded" initiatives in US too - but the law is purely about labeling, it doesn't forbid being a "foreign agent". Same is US, same in Russia, the law was copied word-for-word from US.

Anglican Church in Boston (Episcopalian I would presume) is based in US and funded in US. It is also not a political organization (at least not primarily). So there is no comparison...

centerline 2 Jul 2015 20:44

After the colour revolutions and springs of the last decade, and the death and destruction they have brought, any independent sovereign nation needs to sweep the US garbage out the door.

Terry Ross Nashi_kb 2 Jul 2015 20:05

Drop the travel bans and asset freezes and I am sure they will reconsider. ha ha
At least they did not freeze the academics assets within Russia and prevent him from returning by refusing a visa.

Terry Ross truk10 2 Jul 2015 20:01

Seems like you just missed this year's Saint Petersburg international Book Salon Exhibition.
http://www.advantour.com/russia/saint-petersburg/exhibitions/book-salon.htm

However you still have plenty of time to arrange your presence at the Moscow 17th International Book Fair to be held in November.
http://www.moscowbookfair.ru/eng/about.html


Wardellsworld 2 Jul 2015 19:48

Coca Cola next.

Terry Ross 2 Jul 2015 19:44

Firstly, the leadership in Kiev did not simply 'come' to power: a sitting president and his cabinet first had to be deposed.
Secondly, the 2012 law has been since justified by the attempts of US-AID to depose the Cuban government via a mobile phone and social networking scheme
'USAID programme used young Latin Americans to incite Cuba rebellion'

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/04/usaid-latin-americans-cuba-rebellion-hiv-workshops

Thirdly, the issue of travel bans and freezing assets via a hit list was first employed by the US and EU.


Beckow sasha19 2 Jul 2015 17:46

I wonder if calling what Washington has been doing for the last year can be called "waging war". They certainly attack Russia in every way they think possible: economy, diplomacy, military buildup, media demonization campaigns, and just a total overall hostility.

Maybe the word "war" is too strong a metaphor, but given that it is simply not possible to have a shooting war with Russia (those damn nukes!), this might be as war-like that it will ever get. It is pretty dismally ugly and reflects rather poorly on West's residual rationality.

PaddyCannuck caliento 2 Jul 2015 17:32

"Nazi" is a word with very serious implications, and not a word that should be casually thrown around the place by children chanting childish insults. Naziism is an extreme and violent form of nationalism based on morally repugnant concepts of ethnic purity and racial superiority.

Has Putin ever said that Russia should be exlcusively a country for "ethnically pure Russians", or advocated ridding Russia of "ethnic impurities"? If so, please provide references, links etc. Otherwise, crawl back into your hole and shut the hell up, because you don't have a clue what you're talking about. Remember, there's always somebody else out there who sees YOU as a racially inferior ethnic impurity, and you should be very grateful that Mr Putin is not one of them.


sasha19 AndreyR2008 2 Jul 2015 17:10

There are some excellent universities with great technology same as the West and there are others that are behind, same as the West

sasha19 Beckow 2 Jul 2015 17:08

"waging war" that was a quantum leap. It is true what has happened to Russian academics, one of my friends lost her post in March due to budgetary issues. The article was not about western academics but it is true that many universities are eliminating programs that are not producing graduates and thus faculty are released. At the same time there are some universities hiring as they have growing programs. It is 6 of one and a half dozen of another.

Beckow sasha19 2 Jul 2015 16:59

You seem to get pleasure out of "my neighbors' cow died" new stories. I don't even think it is news, more like a propaganda distraction.

How about looking at "pay cuts, job losses" at home? Wouldn't that be real news? Or would you claim that no academician ever lost a position for "political" reason in the West? A foreigner from a country (US) that basically is waging a war on all allowable fronts on Russia is unlikely to keep a cushy academic sinecure. That's the way it is all over the world.


Beckow 2 Jul 2015 16:13

High administrative posts in all universities, in all countries, since time immemorial have been political. To be a dean in Oxford, Sorbonne, or Warsaw or Munich, it always has a major political components. These are cushy jobs given as rewards, not earned in any meaningful sense of the world.

Why should it be different in Nizny Novgorod? Maybe a local well-connected guy wants the job. Why is this "news", there are tens of thousand frustrated academicians all over West who didn't get a job or were let go. It is political, it is always political, declaring that it is "news" because it is in Russia is, by the way, also political.

MaoChengJi 2 Jul 2015 16:02

Really, how does a venture-capitalist become rector of a university in the first place? One can hardly imagine any other way but bribery. Good catch, Mr. Kiselyov, but firing is not enough, they need to investigate.


Canigou sasha19 2 Jul 2015 15:59

Not every Fulbright Program person, and member of other similar U.S.-funded academic organization, is a spy. Some have been, however, and it was a big scandal when the CIA was exposed (to its disgrace) as subsidizing supposed student organizations and using them as fronts to promote U.S. propaganda.


Laurence Johnson 2 Jul 2015 15:49

We all know how NGO's have been used in an attempt to undermine the government in Russia. Yet again Putin is streets ahead and clearing them all out. There isn't a way to topple the Russian government and the more we try the more foolish we look.

Its time to leave Russia to sort out its internal affairs and concentrate on getting our economies back on track before we find the world has passed us all by.

Canigou -> sasha19 2 Jul 2015 15:01

The U.S. has decided to exclude many Russians from its territory because it does not like their political views. Russia's expulsion of an American professor looks to be a blowback from that U.S. policy.

If you want your academic friends in Russia to feel secure in their ability to have their Russian visas renewed, perhaps you could ask The State Department to reconsider its politicized travel sanctions against Russian individuals.

vr13vr sasha19 2 Jul 2015 14:53

Good try. He is "the chief executive of the Russia-focused investment consultancy Marchmont Capital Partners," according to the article. "In 2005, Mr. White founded Marchmont Capital Partners, LLC an investment advisory firm... ," and he worked in the same city, according to the link. How many Marchmont Capital Partners exist in Nizhniy Novgorod and how many of them were created by someone with the name Kendrik White?

In either case, the article doesn't mention any academic credentials. The website does mention a lot of finance credentials instead.

SHappens 2 Jul 2015 14:13

The Putin government has also stopped many US/Russia collaborative studies, blaming the US for "stealing" Russian intellectuals.

When we know the NSA spies on technology everywhere in the world this is hardly surprising that'd be true. Tit for tat. US got what it sowed.

[Jul 04, 2015]The New Ukrainian Exceptionalism

"...Russian-backed aggression, relentless propaganda and meddling in Ukraine's domestic politics have pushed many Ukrainians to adopt a deeply polarized worldview, in which constructive criticism, dissenting views, and even observable facts are rejected out of hand if they are seen as harmful to Ukraine. This phenomenon might be termed the new Ukrainian exceptionalism, and it is worrisome because it threatens the very democratic values Ukrainians espouse, while weakening Ukraine's case for international support."
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"...The same goes for the country's far right political forces. Cite the rise of Praviy Sektor, or Right Sector, during and after the Euro-Maidan, and many Ukrainians will point to the radical right movement's poor performance in last year's presidential and parliamentary elections. Point to the resurgence of symbols and slogans of the Second World War ultra-nationalist Union of Ukrainian Nationalists, OUN, or the newly passed laws banning "Soviet symbols," canonizing controversial Ukrainian nationalist figures Stepan Bandera and Roman Shukhevych, and they will say that Ukraine has every right to define its own history, even if it does so with blatant disregard and disrespect for that of millions of its citizens now living under Russian occupation or otherwise not fully represented in the government. The new Ukrainian exceptionalism makes it possible for undercurrents of intolerance and extreme nationalism to cohabit with stated commitments to pluralism and democracy."
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"...These steps set a dangerous precedent for limitation of human rights without wide public discussion. Exceptionalism effectively gives carte-blanche to the government to act in the name of Ukraine's security"
June 23, 2015 | yaleglobal.yale.edu

Ukrainian leaders, under siege from Russian and separatist forces, resist constructive criticism

Russia on the dock, Ukraine not without blemish: Ukraine President Petro Poroshenko, left, walks past Russian President Vladimir Putin during an international gathering (top); bellicose Ukrainian Semen Semenchenko grandstanding

WASHINGTON: The slow boiling war in Southeastern Ukraine is by now well known to the world. It has been projected in stark moral and political terms and in gruesome detail by the international press, Ukrainian and Western political leaders, and ordinary Ukrainian citizens. Indeed, it is no exaggeration to say that Ukraine is engaged in a struggle not only for its sovereignty, but for its very survival as a nation-state.

In this hour of need, every Ukrainian citizen and every self-described friend of Ukraine in the international community should not only speak but act in support of Ukraine. But speaking out and taking action in support of Ukraine have become increasingly fraught in recent months. Russian-backed aggression, relentless propaganda and meddling in Ukraine's domestic politics have pushed many Ukrainians to adopt a deeply polarized worldview, in which constructive criticism, dissenting views, and even observable facts are rejected out of hand if they are seen as harmful to Ukraine. This phenomenon might be termed the new Ukrainian exceptionalism, and it is worrisome because it threatens the very democratic values Ukrainians espouse, while weakening Ukraine's case for international support.

The new Ukrainian exceptionalism comes at a high price for Ukrainian civil society and for the international community focused on helping Ukraine. There have already been cases in which prominent Ukrainian thought leaders have been threatened and even attacked for expressing views critical of the government, nationalist politicians, or volunteer militias. Likewise, among Ukraine's friends abroad there is precious little tolerance for views that dissent from the dominant party line that Ukraine's current government is the best it has ever had, and that the West must provide not only political and financial support, but also supply it with lethal weapons to fight the Russians in Donbas.

There is little tolerance for views that dissent from the dominant party line in Ukraine.

This exceptionalist worldview is nowhere more evident than in the discourse around Ukraine's President Petro Poroshenko. Poroshenko is a billionaire confectionary baron who also owns banking and agricultural assets, and several influential media platforms, most notably Ukraine's Fifth Channel, and who served in high government posts, including as Yanukovych's minister of economic development and minister of foreign affairs under Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko. Today, Poroshenko presides over a state and a government that has committed to a reform campaign it styles as "de-oligrachization."

Yet when queried about whether, as an oligarch himself, Poroshenko can be effective in removing oligarchic influence from Ukraine's politics and economy, many Ukrainians feel compelled to defend their wartime leader by denying that he is, in fact, an oligarch in the first place. Or if he is one, they say, he's a different kind of oligarch, certainly the best of the bunch. After all, they reason, he has used his wealth and influence to help Ukraine and fight Russia, and anyway, his business interests are more transparent and of more value to the country than those of his rivals. Instead of selling his businesses, as he promised to do during last year's presidential campaign, Poroshenko has held onto them, demonstrating that even in the new Ukraine, politics and the private sector remain inseparable.

Exceptionalists argue: While oligarchy in general might be bad, Ukraine's patriotic oligarchs are not.

The exceptionalism does not stop with Poroshenko. In fact, the same tortured logic extends to support for other "good" oligarchs: Lviv's mayor Andriy Sadovyi, who has run that city for nearly a decade, owns major media, electrical utility and financial assets, and has backed his own party in the national parliament, is described as having made Lviv a "lighthouse" for Ukrainian reform, on the model of neighboring Poland. Even Dnipropetrovsk's Ihor Kolomoiskiy, who himself embraces the oligarch moniker, has spent millions in defense of Ukraine against Russian aggression, served as governor of a vulnerable frontline region and held it together, and besides, his Privat Bank group is a pillar of Ukraine's financial stability. So, while oligarchy in general might be bad, Ukraine's most patriotic oligarchs, the exceptionalists argue, are not.

The same goes for the country's far right political forces. Cite the rise of Praviy Sektor, or Right Sector, during and after the Euro-Maidan, and many Ukrainians will point to the radical right movement's poor performance in last year's presidential and parliamentary elections. Point to the resurgence of symbols and slogans of the Second World War ultra-nationalist Union of Ukrainian Nationalists, OUN, or the newly passed laws banning "Soviet symbols," canonizing controversial Ukrainian nationalist figures Stepan Bandera and Roman Shukhevych, and they will say that Ukraine has every right to define its own history, even if it does so with blatant disregard and disrespect for that of millions of its citizens now living under Russian occupation or otherwise not fully represented in the government. The new Ukrainian exceptionalism makes it possible for undercurrents of intolerance and extreme nationalism to cohabit with stated commitments to pluralism and democracy.

New Ukrainian exceptionalism: Undercurrents of intolerance cohabit with commitments to democracy.

The Euro-Maidan was dubbed a Revolution of Dignity because it represented the victory of the people in defense of basic human rights and human dignity. But a year after that victory, the parliament has approved a decree limiting Ukraine's obligations under the European Convention on Human Rights and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights. So far, the decree applies only to portions of the two oblasts, or regions, of Donetsk and Luhansk where the war is going on, but it has been accompanied by allegations of torture and unlawful detention by Ukrainian authorities. These steps set a dangerous precedent for limitation of human rights without wide public discussion. Exceptionalism effectively gives carte-blanche to the government to act in the name of Ukraine's security, while it fragments and diminishes the human rights activist community that was once a bulwark of the new Ukraine.

Finally, raise the problem of private armies in Ukraine, and one is told that the famous "volunteer battalions" are actually completely legal and legitimate police, interior ministry or army units that have been integrated under a single, responsible national command. This would be a reasonable position and an extremely important step to constrain possible future internecine violence, corporate raiding and other abuses in Ukraine, if only it were true.

The same goes for so-called soldier deputies, commanders of the volunteer battalions elected to the parliament last October, many of whom still appear in uniform and demonstrate scant regard for the boundaries between civilian and military authority. Dashing but bellicose figures like Serhii Melnychuk, Semen Semenchenko and Dmytro Yarosh, we are told, are not really soldiers any more, their grandstanding is just a PR exercise. Maybe so, but their message hardly confirms Ukraine's commitment to rule of law, civilian control of the military, and national reconciliation. With prominent exceptions like these in the new Ukraine, it is increasingly difficult to identify the rule.

Without a doubt, Ukraine now faces its most severe crisis of the post-1991 period. In the face of attacks by Russia and its separatist allies, Ukraine deserves the support of its citizens and the wider world. Yet the enthusiasm of the world to help Ukraine will be diminished and the damage from Russian aggression magnified if Ukrainians succumb to the kind of exceptionalism described above. Instead, Ukrainians should seek to preserve what have actually been their most exceptional characteristics – a rare and genuine commitment to pluralism, civic freedom, and human dignity that make Ukraine a cause worth fighting for.

Matthew Rojansky is director of the Kennan Institute at the Woodrow Wilson Center in Washington, DC; Mykhailo Minakov is associate professor/docent in philosophy and religious studies at the National University of Kyiv-Mohyla Academy, and was a Fulbright-Kennan Scholar in 2012-13.

Selected Skeptical Comments

Western Educated Russian, my 5 cents, 28 June 2015

That is not today Ukrainians decided to find a way to differentiate themselves from Russians. That is the way how ethnic genesis works. So in the situation when multinational state (USSR) collapsed, Ukrainian national elites became interested in doing so even more. What could be a difference to strong order of Moscow, the answer is illusory freedom.

Consequentially, Ukrainian mass media and even academic sources such as Yale draw a picture of Russia as a place where there is a fallout of human rights, corruption, and democracy and at the same time whitening Ukrainian far right guys as a fighters against "double evil" of communists and fascists.

The reality of course is different. Russia is just a powerful player that is emerged after collapse of Soviet Union while Ukraine failed to do so. Russians respect Ukrainians and Ukrainian language, and what is more important overall have more freedoms that even Westerns do. The only thing Russians care about is comparative advantage. Ukrainian politics is irresponsible, and thus destabilize the whole region of Eastern Europe and former Soviet Union.

It is actually not so funny because the US thinks about itself as a warrant of stability. In reality stability of many Eurasian territories in the hands of Russia. We should not forget civil war in Tadjikistan, war between Georgia and Ossetia, Armenia and Azerbaidjan. All those conflicts were stopped because of Russia's actions. If Ukraine won (= lose anyway), there will be hundreds of different uncontrolled conflicts, economic downfall and millions of additional immigrants to Europe.

Whether Europeans like it or not, it is better to have strong Russia with good relationship that can guarantee stability over many territories than one more Africa with nuclear weapon on the backyard and Greece (sorry Ukraine).

Jim Kovpak , OUN, 28 June 2015

The OUN thing pisses me off when they say Ukraine has the right to define its own heroes- excuse me, but when did these "heroes" represent Ukraine? The OUN and UPA never attracted more than a fraction of Ukrainians even in the region where it was most popular, and even then many people were conscripted into its ranks. Later, many of them deserted in droves, including a large number who switched to the Soviet side.

But it is not simply to appease the population in the East that these organizations should be condemned. They have a clear connection to the Holocaust via the role the OUN-B played in organizing the militia and Ukrainian police who took part in pogroms that killed thousands of Jews. Many of those police personnel then ended up in the ranks of the UPA. Add to that the ethnic cleansing of Poles and you see why these thugs, which DO NOT represent Ukraine, don't deserve to be called heroes.

Eastern Ukrainians are always told they need to give up the past, so why can't these other people give up that past, which in most cases doesn't have anything to do with them?

Of course many Ukrainians I talk to swear up and down that Bandera and the OUN aren't really so popular in post-Maidan Ukraine -- okay then, watch what happens when someone says people ought not to fly the flags and there shouldn't be memorials to the OUN and UPA. Suddenly the Bandera-cultists emerge from the woodwork, enraged. It's a lot like defenders of the Confederate flag in the US.

The EIA's Questionable Numbers - Peak Oil BarrelPeak Oil Barrel

"...For the past three years, Saudi domestic energy demand has been rising by about 8% due to an expanding population and new construction and large-scale projects. More than 25% of the country's crude is consumed domestically by cars, planes, homes and businesses, a figure that rises in the summer and is almost double what the kingdom used in the early part of the last decade. The kingdom's population has increased 17% since 2005, faster than most developed countries."
"...Based on most recent EIA data, the US is still dependent on net crude oil imports for about 40% of the crude + condensate (C+C) processed daily in US refineries, and a plausible estimate is that our existing C+C production is declining at about 20%/year (we have to run very fast to stay in place production-wise). The US is one of about 157 net oil importing countries in the world. "
"...I am surprised that most people don't seem to notice how things are taking a turn for the worse lately. At the same time the world is radicalizing, (Isis, Syriza, French National Front, Spanish Podemos, etc) and the world economy is worsening (Greek bankruptcy, fake recovery, world commerce diminishing, China growth reducing). To me is like seeing storm clouds approaching. "

Jeffrey J. Brown, 07/02/2015 at 6:47 am
The WSJ has discovered "Net Export Math."

WSJ: As Saudis Keep Pumping, Thirst for Domestic Oil Swells
Kingdom is poised to break records for crude output, but its ravenous energy needs threaten its ability to ramp up exports

http://www.wsj.com/articles/as-saudis-keep-pumping-thirst-for-domestic-oil-swells-1435786552

RIYADH-Saudi Arabia is poised to break records for oil production this summer, analysts said, as domestic-energy needs soar during its scorching summer and the holy month of Ramadan and threaten its ability to ramp up exports.

Saudi Arabia has said it produced a near-record 10.3 million barrels a day in May, a mark that industry observers said could increase to 11 million barrels this summer as air-conditioning use increases with temperatures reaching 110 degrees Fahrenheit. The country has the ability to produce 12.3 million barrels a day for 90 days, but it has never pumped this much. Saudi output averaged 9.22 million barrels a day from 2006 to 2014, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration. Most of its oil is exported.

For the past three years, Saudi domestic energy demand has been rising by about 8% due to an expanding population and new construction and large-scale projects. More than 25% of the country's crude is consumed domestically by cars, planes, homes and businesses, a figure that rises in the summer and is almost double what the kingdom used in the early part of the last decade. The kingdom's population has increased 17% since 2005, faster than most developed countries.

At this pace, the kingdom would have to start importing oil by 2030, Citigroup Inc. has predicted, a once unthinkable prospect for the linchpin of the world's oil market. Khalid al-Falih, the current chairman and former chief executive of the kingdom's state-owned oil company, Saudi Arabian Oil Co., known as Saudi Aramco, said in 2011 that, if left unchecked, domestic energy consumption would rise to 8.2 million barrels of oil a day by 2030.

Link to my comment on BP + EIA data on Saudi Arabia's net exports:

http://peakoilbarrel.com/bakken-april-production-data/comment-page-1/#comment-521843

Marcus, 07/02/2015 at 7:21 am
Whilst the Saudi population in common with the rest of the middle east has grown substantially and its consumption with it in recent years I sometimes wonder if we are dealing with a case of Muhammad Saeed al-Sahhaf aka Baghdad Bob or Comical Ali.
What I mean by that is that hyping their production level is such an important part of their bragging rights that they are willing to do so even when it is clearly not in their interest. Well before the US shale boom they were apt to do this even when logic would dictate that they talk down their production (obviously the quota system also plays a significant role). When their production finally nose dives I think they will claim the same or higher production while increasing their consumption estimates more and more in fact this will likely be the message that all the last great net oil exporters will give us towards the end.
Jeffrey J. Brown, 07/02/2015 at 7:28 am
Interesting admission by Khalid al-Falih:

Reuters (January, 2015): Saudi Aramco to renegotiate some contracts on low oil price -CEO

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/27/saudi-oil-aramco-idUSL6N0V60Z320150127

Jan 27 (Reuters) – Saudi Aramco will renegotiate some contracts and postpone some projects due to falling oil prices, the head of Saudi Arabia's state oil company said on Tuesday, stressing the top crude exporter will not single handedly balance the global oil market. . . .

Saudi Aramco Chief Executive Khalid al-Falih, speaking at a conference in Riyadh, did not specify which projects or contracts would be affected by low prices. . . .

Falih said the imbalance in the oil market had nothing to do with Saudi Arabia, and a fair price is what would ultimately balance supply and demand, a sign Riyadh is sticking to its strategy of allowing the market to stabilise itself.

"Saudi Arabia has a policy, the policy is set by the government through the Ministry of Petroleum, and they have said that Saudi Arabia will not single handedly balance the market," he said.

"The math will tell you that our exports are gradually declining. So the reason for the imbalance in the market absolutely has nothing to do with Saudi Arabia."

old farmer mac, 07/02/2015 at 7:48 am
The politics of oil prices are complicated indeed.

While the Saudis have plenty of reasons to want to put the screws to the Russians they can't trust the rest of OPEC to honor the cartel's production sharing decisions.

But it appears they are willing to cut a deal with the Russians who do have at least ONE thing in common with them. They both want a higher price for their oil.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/saudi-arabia-leaving-u-behind-215428719.html;_ylt=AwrC0F9wMJVVCHUA4SyTmYlQ;_ylu=X3oDMTByMDgyYjJiBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMyBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzYw–

By the way " our" Jeff Brown and host Ron ought to be on the talking head shows. The fact that they aren't proves that the MSM is not really competent, perhaps by choice, when it comes to energy.

I am an hopeless amateur when it comes to oil compared to the pros who hang out here but to the best of my knowledge the Russians have until recently always done what they promised in terms of delivering oil and gas.

I predict that if they cut a deal with the Saudis to cut production they will honor it.

shallow sand, 07/02/2015 at 9:05 am
Jeffrey, are the other Gulf OPEC states similar to KSA, in that their exported oil is also falling due to rising internal consumption?
Jeffrey J. Brown, 07/02/2015 at 10:00 am
I can shoot you the data base for the (2005) Top 33 net exporters. It's only updated through 2013 (still waiting on EIA consumption data), and there have been some revisions since we compiled the data base.

My email: westexas AT aol Dot com.

As I have repeatedly pointed out, what almost everyone is missing is the enormous difference between rates of change in production and CNE (Cumulative Net Exports) depletion*. I estimate that we may have already burned through around 30% of post-2005 Global CNE.

*As combined production from the Six County Case History increased by 2% from 1995 to 1999, they had already shipped 54% of post-1995 CNE (major net exporters, excluding China, that hit or approached zero net exports from 1980 to 2010).

AlexS , 07/02/2015 at 10:24 am
the decline in net exports was largely offset by the drop in US net imports
Jeffrey J. Brown, , 07/02/2015 at 10:42 am
The decline in US net imports certainly affected the demand for Global Net Exports of oil (GNE*). But within OECD countries, we also had some countries with increasing net imports, e.g., the UK.

Of course, on the demand side, the key factor has been the ongoing decline in what I define as Available Net Exports (GNE less Chindia's Net Imports, CNI). ANE fell from 41 MMBPD in 2005 to 34 MMBPD in 2013, and BP/EIA data indicate that the ANE decline probably continued in 2014.

Based on most recent EIA data, the US is still dependent on net crude oil imports for about 40% of the crude + condensate (C+C) processed daily in US refineries, and a plausible estimate is that our existing C+C production is declining at about 20%/year (we have to run very fast to stay in place production-wise). The US is one of about 157 net oil importing countries in the world.

Based on current trends (rate of decline in GNE/CNI Ratio), in about 16 years China & India alone would theoretically consume 100% of GNE, leaving no net exports available to about 155 net oil importing countries.

*Combined net exports from top 33 net exporters in 2005 (EIA)

Javier, 07/02/2015 at 6:24 pm
So we have current trends saying that:
– Saudi Arabia will become a net importer in 15 years.
– China & India are to consume 100% of net exports in 16 years.

As those trends become unsustainable, we are going to have lots of interesting things happening during the next decade.

I am surprised that most people don't seem to notice how things are taking a turn for the worse lately. At the same time the world is radicalizing, (Isis, Syriza, French National Front, Spanish Podemos, etc) and the world economy is worsening (Greek bankruptcy, fake recovery, world commerce diminishing, China growth reducing). To me is like seeing storm clouds approaching.

Paulo, 07/02/2015 at 8:35 am
Terrific confirmation, Jeffrey. I have sent your comments on to others many times these past few years. Unfortunately, the confirmation by a major MSM publication is what John Q Public needs to see in order to accept reality. I have already sent it on!!

[Jul 02, 2015] Shale Drillers About To Be Zero Hedged As Loss Protection Expires

"...access to cheap cash via capital markets allows otherwise insolvent producers to keep drilling even as prices collapse, creating what are effectively zombie companies (to use Matt King's words) on the way to delaying the Schumpeterian endgame and embedding an enormous amount of risk in HY credit by flooding the market with supply just as demand from investors (who are delirious from hunger after being starved of yield by the Fed) peaks and secondary market liquidity continues to dry up. "
"...Thanks to SEC rules on how drillers are required to value their reserves, producers are effectively forced to overstate the value of their O&G businesses by nearly two-thirds, which can lead unsophisticated investors who don't bother to read the 10K fine print to believe that the businesses are healthier than they actually are. "
"...The insurance that producers bought before the collapse in oil -- much of which guaranteed minimum prices of $90 a barrel or more -- is expiring. As they do, investors are left to wonder how these companies will make up the $3.7 billion the hedges earned them in the first quarter after crude sunk below $60 from a peak of $107 in mid-2014."
"...The hedges staved off an acute shortage of cash for shale companies and helped keep lenders from cutting credit lines, many of which are up for renewal in October. With drillers burdened by interest payments on $235 billion of debt, $89 billion of it high-yield, a U.S. regulator has warned banks to beware of the "emerging risk" of lending to energy companies."
"...In short, the last line of defense against terminal cash burn for the beleaguered US shale complex is about to fall and when it does, it's going to take bank credit lines down with it. "
Jul 02, 2015 | Zero Hedge
In many ways, the US shale industry is emblematic of why failing to normalize monetary policy after seven years of largesse can be extremely dangerous.

As discussed at length in these pages and then subsequently everywhere else, access to cheap cash via capital markets allows otherwise insolvent producers to keep drilling even as prices collapse, creating what are effectively zombie companies (to use Matt King's words) on the way to delaying the Schumpeterian endgame and embedding an enormous amount of risk in HY credit by flooding the market with supply just as demand from investors (who are delirious from hunger after being starved of yield by the Fed) peaks and secondary market liquidity continues to dry up.

This dynamic has served to create a supply glut in a number of industries and has suppressed commodity prices in a self-feeding deflationary loop.

Thanks to SEC rules on how drillers are required to value their reserves, producers are effectively forced to overstate the value of their O&G businesses by nearly two-thirds, which can lead unsophisticated investors who don't bother to read the 10K fine print to believe that the businesses are healthier than they actually are.

Furthermore, the next round of revolver raids for the industry isn't due until October, meaning investors may also believe the industry has easier access to liquidity than it actually does. As a reminder:

As if all of the above weren't enough, there's yet another reason why the shale default cascade has thus far been forestalled, giving many the impression that perhaps a "crude" awakening (pardon the terrible pun) has been averted: hedges.

Here's Bloomberg with more on why some US shale drillers may soon be zero hedged (ahem):

The insurance protecting shale drillers against plummeting prices has become so crucial that for one company, SandRidge Energy Inc., payments from the hedges accounted for a stunning 64 percent of first-quarter revenue.

Now the safety net is going away.

The insurance that producers bought before the collapse in oil -- much of which guaranteed minimum prices of $90 a barrel or more -- is expiring. As they do, investors are left to wonder how these companies will make up the $3.7 billion the hedges earned them in the first quarter after crude sunk below $60 from a peak of $107 in mid-2014.

"A year ago, you could hedge at $85 to $90, and now it's in the low $60s," said Chris Lang, a senior vice president with Asset Risk Management, a hedging adviser for more than 100 exploration and production companies. "Next year it's really going to come to a head."

The hedges staved off an acute shortage of cash for shale companies and helped keep lenders from cutting credit lines, many of which are up for renewal in October. With drillers burdened by interest payments on $235 billion of debt, $89 billion of it high-yield, a U.S. regulator has warned banks to beware of the "emerging risk" of lending to energy companies.

Payments from hedges accounted for at least 15 percent of first-quarter revenue at 30 of the 62 oil and gas companies in the Bloomberg Intelligence North America Exploration and Production Index. Revenue, already down 37 percent in the last year, will fall further as drillers cash out contracts that paid $90 a barrel even when oil fell below $44.

For SandRidge and other drillers, the hedges, required by some lenders, gave them enough time to cut spending. Costs in shale fields have fallen by 20 to 30 percent and productivity has increased as producers moved rigs to the most prolific regions. Producers were able to raise about $44 billion in equity and debt in the first quarter, according to UBS AG.

"That postponed the day of reckoning," said Carl Tricoli, co-founder of private-equity firm Denham Capital Management.

At Goodrich Petroleum Corp., hedges accounted for 35 percent of revenue in the first three months of 2015. Most of its insurance runs out at the end of the year, company records show.

In short, the last line of defense against terminal cash burn for the beleaguered US shale complex is about to fall and when it does, it's going to take bank credit lines down with it.

This means October is the expiration date for heavily indebted US drillers and perhaps for HY credit as well, because once the defaults begin in earnest and HY spreads start to blow out, the BTFD-ing retail crowd will head for the exits, triggering a very non-diversifiable, unidirectional flow for bond fund managers who will then be forced to hold their noses and dive into the ever-thinner secondary corporate credit market.

It is precisely at that point when everyone's worst nightmares about shrinking dealer inventories and illiquid credit markets will suddenly be realized.

The Shape

Someone's getting what they want.

http://peakoilbarrel.com/the-eias-questionable-numbers/

[Jul 01, 2015] A Short History: The Neocon Clean Break Grand Design The Regime Change Disasters It Has Fostered

zerohedge.com

Submitted by Dan Sanchez via AntiWar.com,

To understand today's crises in Iraq, Syria, Iran, and elsewhere, one must grasp their shared Lebanese connection. This assertion may seem odd. After all, what is the big deal about Lebanon? That little country hasn't had top headlines since Israel deigned to bomb and invade it in 2006. Yet, to a large extent, the roots of the bloody tangle now enmeshing the Middle East lie in Lebanon: or to be more precise, in the Lebanon policy of Israel.

Rewind to the era before the War on Terror. In 1995, Yitzhak Rabin, Israel's "dovish" Prime Minister, was assassinated by a right-wing zealot. This precipitated an early election in which Rabin's Labor Party was defeated by the ultra-hawkish Likud, lifting hardliner Benjamin Netanyahu to his first Premiership in 1996.

That year, an elite study group produced a policy document for the incipient administration titled, "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm." The membership of the Clean Break study group is highly significant, as it included American neoconservatives who would later hold high offices in the Bush Administration and play driving roles in its Middle East policy.

"A Clean Break" advised that the new Likud administration adopt a "shake it off" attitude toward the policy of the old Labor administration which, as the authors claimed, assumed national "exhaustion" and allowed national "retreat." This was the "clean break" from the past that "A Clean Break" envisioned. Regarding Israel's international policy, this meant:

"…a clean break from the slogan, 'comprehensive peace' to a traditional concept of strategy based on balance of power."

Pursuit of comprehensive peace with all of Israel's neighbors was to be abandoned for selective peace with some neighbors (namely Jordan and Turkey) and implacable antagonism toward others (namely Iraq, Syria, and Iran). The weight of its strategic allies would tip the balance of power in favor of Israel, which could then use that leverage to topple the regimes of its strategic adversaries by using covertly managed "proxy forces" and "the principle of preemption." Through such a "redrawing of the map of the Middle East," Israel will "shape the regional environment," and thus, "Israel will not only contain its foes; it will transcend them."

"A Clean Break" was to Israel (and ultimately to the US) what Otto von Bismarck's "Blood and Iron" speech was to Germany. As he set the German Empire on a warpath that would ultimately set Europe ablaze, Bismarck said:

"Not through speeches and majority decisions will the great questions of the day be decided?-?that was the great mistake of 1848 and 1849?-?but by iron and blood."

Before setting Israel and the US on a warpath that would ultimately set the Middle East ablaze, the Clean Break authors were basically saying: Not through peace accords will the great questions of the day be decided?-?that was the great mistake of 1978 (at Camp David) and 1993 (at Oslo)?-?but by "divide and conquer" and regime change. By wars both aggressive ("preemptive") and "dirty" (covert and proxy).


"A Clean Break" slated Saddam Hussein's Iraq as first up for regime change. This is highly significant, especially since several members of the Clean Break study group played decisive roles in steering and deceiving the United States into invading Iraq and overthrowing Saddam seven years later.

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The Clean Break study group's leader, Richard Perle, led the call for Iraqi regime change beginning in the 90s from his perch at the Project for a New American Century and other neocon think tanks. And while serving as chairman of a high level Pentagon advisory committee, Perle helped coordinate the neoconservative takeover of foreign policy in the Bush administration and the final push for war in Iraq.

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Another Clean Breaker, Douglas Feith, was a Perle protege and a key player in that neocon coup. After 9/11, as Under Secretary of Defense for Policy, Feith created two secret Pentagon offices tasked with cherry-picking, distorting, and repackaging CIA and Pentagon intelligence to help make the case for war.

Feith's "Office of Special Plans" manipulated intelligence to promote the falsehood that Saddam had a secret weapons of mass destruction program that posed an imminent chemical, biological, and even nuclear threat. This lie was the main justification used by the Bush administration for the Iraq War.

Feith's "Counter Terrorism Evaluation Group" trawled through the CIA's intelligence trash to stitch together far-fetched conspiracy theories linking Saddam Hussein's Iraq with Osama bin Laden's Al Qaeda, among other bizarre pairings. Perle put the Group into contact with Ahmed Chalabi, a dodgy anti-Saddam Iraqi exile who would spin even more yarn of this sort.

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Much of the Group's grunt work was performed by David Wurmser, another Perle protege and the primary author of "A Clean Break." Wurmser would go on to serve as an advisor to two key Iraq War proponents in the Bush administration: John Bolton at the State Department and Vice President Dick Cheney.

The foregone conclusions generated by these Clean Breaker-led projects faced angry but ineffectual resistance from the Intelligence Community, and are now widely considered scandalously discredited. But they succeeded in helping, perhaps decisively, to overcome both bureaucratic and public resistance to the march to war.

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The Iraq War that followed put the Clean Break into action by grafting it onto America. The War accomplished the Clean Break objective of regime change in Iraq, thus beginning the "redrawing of the map of the Middle East." And the attendant "Bush Doctrine" of preemptive war accomplished the Clean Break objective of "reestablishing the principle of preemption"


But why did the Netanyahu/Bush Clean Breakers want to regime change Iraq in the first place? While reference is often made to "A Clean Break" as a prologue to the Iraq War, it is often forgotten that the document proposed regime change in Iraq primarily as a "means" of "weakening, containing, and even rolling back Syria." Overthrowing Saddam in Iraq was merely a stepping stone to "foiling" and ultimately overthrowing Bashar al-Assad in neighboring Syria. As Pat Buchanan put it:

"In the Perle-Feith-Wurmser strategy, Israel's enemy remains Syria, but the road to Damascus runs through Baghdad."

Exactly how this was to work is baffling. As the document admitted, although both were Baathist regimes, Assad and Saddam were far more enemies than allies. "A Clean Break" floated a convoluted pipe dream involving a restored Hashemite monarchy in Iraq (the same US-backed, pro-Israel dynasty that rules Jordan) using its sway over an Iraqi cleric to turn his co-religionists in Syria against Assad. Instead, the neocons ended up settling for a different pipe(line) dream, sold to them by that con-man Chalabi, involving a pro-Israel, Chalabi-dominated Iraq building a pipeline from Mosul to Haifa. One only wonders why he didn't sweeten the deal by including the Brooklyn Bridge in the sale.

As incoherent as it may have been, getting at Syria through Iraq is what the neocons wanted. And this is also highly significant for us today, because the US has now fully embraced the objective of regime change in Syria, even with Barack Obama inhabiting the White House instead of George W. Bush.

Washington is pursuing that objective by partnering with Turkey, Jordan, and the Gulf States in supporting the anti-Assad insurgency in Syria's bloody civil war, and thereby majorly abetting the bin Ladenites (Syrian Al Qaeda and ISIS) leading that insurgency. Obama has virtually become an honorary Clean Breaker by pursuing a Clean Break objective ("rolling back Syria") using Clean Break strategy ("balance of power" alliances with select Muslim states) and Clean Break tactics (a covert and proxy "dirty war"). Of course the neocons are the loudest voices calling for the continuance and escalation of this policy. And Israel is even directly involving itself by providing medical assistance to Syrian insurgents, including Al Qaeda fighters.


Another target identified by "A Clean Break" was Iran. This is highly significant, since while the neocons were still riding high in the Bush administration's saddle, they came within an inch of launching a US war on Iran over yet another manufactured and phony WMD crisis. While the Obama administration seems on the verge of finalizing a nuclear/peace deal with the Iranian government in Tehran, the neocons and Netanyahu himself (now Prime Minister once again) have pulled out all the stops to scupper it and put the US and Iran back on a collision course.

The neocons are also championing ongoing American support for Saudi Arabia's brutal war in Yemen to restore that country's US-backed former dictator. Simply because the "Houthi" rebels that overthrew him and took the capital city of Sanaa are Shiites, they are assumed to be a proxy of the Shiite Iranians, and so this is seen by neocons and Saudi theocons alike as a war against Iranian expansion.

Baghdad is a pit stop on the road to Damascus, and Sanaa is a pit stop on the road to Tehran. But, according to the Clean Breakers, Damascus and Tehran are themselves merely pit stops on the road to Beirut.

According to "A Clean Break," Israel's main beef with Assad is that:

"Syria challenges Israel on Lebanese soil."

And its great grief with the Ayatollah is that Iran, like Syria, is one of the:

"…principal agents of aggression in Lebanon…"


All regime change roads lead to Lebanon, it would seem. So this brings us back to our original question. What is the big deal about Lebanon?

The answer to this question goes back to Israel's very beginnings. Its Zionist founding fathers established the bulk of Israel's territory by dispossessing and ethnically cleansing three-quarters of a million Palestinian Arabs in 1948. Hundreds of thousands of these were driven (sometimes literally in trucks, sometimes force marched with gunshots fired over their heads) into Lebanon, where they were gathered in miserable refugee camps.

In Lebanon the Palestinians who had fled suffered an apartheid state almost as rigid as the one Israel imposed on those who stayed behind, because the dominant Maronite Christians there were so protective of their political and economic privileges in Lebanon's confessional system.

In a 1967 war of aggression, Israel conquered the rest of formerly-British Palestine, annexing the West Bank and Gaza Strip, and placing the Palestinians there (many of whom fled there seeking refuge after their homes were taken by the Israelis in 1948) under a brutal, permanent military occupation characterized by continuing dispossession and punctuated by paroxysms of mass murder.

This compounding of their tragedy drove the Palestinians to despair and radicalization, and they subsequently lifted Yasser Arafat and his fedayeen (guerrilla) movement to the leadership of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), then headquartered in Jordan.

When the king of Jordan massacred and drove out the PLO, Arafat and the remaining members relocated to Lebanon. There they waged cross-border guerrilla warfare to try to drive Israel out of the occupied territories. The PLO drew heavily from the refugee camps in Lebanon for recruits.

This drew Israel deeply into Lebanese affairs. In 1976, Israel started militarily supporting the Maronite Christians, helping to fuel a sectarian civil war that had recently begun and would rage until 1990. That same year, Syrian forces entered Lebanon, partook in the war, and began a military occupation of the country.

In 1978, Israel invaded Lebanon to drive the PLO back and to recruit a proxy army called the "South Lebanon Army" (SLA).

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In 1982 Israel launched a full scale war in Lebanon, fighting both Syria and the PLO. Osama bin Laden later claimed that it was seeing the wreckage of tall buildings in Beirut toppled by Israel's "total war" tactics that inspired him to destroy American buildings like the Twin Towers.

In this war, Israel tried to install a group of Christian Fascists called the Phalange in power over Lebanon. This failed when the new Phalangist ruler was assassinated. As a reprisal, the Phalange perpetrated, with Israeli connivance, the massacre of hundreds (perhaps thousands) of Palestinian refugees and Lebanese Shiites. (See Murray Rothbard's moving contemporary coverage of the atrocity.)

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Israel's 1982 war succeeded in driving the PLO out of Lebanon, although not in destroying it. And of course hundreds of thousands of Palestinian refugees still linger in Lebanon's camps, yearning for their right of return: a fact that cannot have escaped Israel's notice.

The Lebanese Shiites were either ambivalent or welcoming toward being rid of the PLO. But Israel rapidly squandered whatever patience the Shiites had for it by brutally occupying southern Lebanon for years. This led to the creation of Hezbollah, a Shiite militia not particularly concerned with the plight of the Sunni Palestinian refugees, but staunchly dedicated to driving Israel and its proxies (the SLA) completely out of Lebanon.

Aided by Syria and Iran, though not nearly to the extent Israel would have us believe, Hezbollah became the chief defensive force directly frustrating Israel's efforts to dominate and exploit its northern neighbor. In 1993 and again in 1996 (the year of "A Clean Break"), Israel launched still more major military operations in Lebanon, chiefly against Hezbollah, but also bombing Lebanon's general population and infrastructure, trying to use terrorism to motivate the people and the central government to crack down on Hezbollah.

This is the context of "A Clean Break": Israel's obsession with crushing Hezbollah and dominating Lebanon, even if it means turning most of the Middle East upside down (regime changing Syria, Iran, and Iraq) to do it.


9/11 paved the way for realizing the Clean Break, using the United States as a gigantic proxy, thanks to the Israel Lobby's massive influence in Congress and the neocons' newly won dominance in the Bush Administration.

Much to their chagrin, however, its first phase (the Iraq War) did not turn out so well for the Clean Breakers. The blundering American grunts ended up installing the most vehemently pro-Iran Shiite faction in power in Baghdad, and now Iranian troops are even stationed and fighting inside Iraq. Oops. And as it turns out, Chalabi may have been an Iranian agent all along. (But don't worry, Mr. Perle, I'm sure he'll eventually come through with that pipeline.)

This disastrous outcome has given both Israel and Saudi Arabia nightmares about an emerging "Shia Crescent" arcing from Iran through Iraq into Syria. And now the new Shiite "star" in Yemen completes this menacing "Star and Crescent" picture. The fears of the Sunni Saudis are partially based on sectarianism. But what Israel sees in this picture is a huge potential regional support network for its nemesis Hezbollah.

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Israel would have none of it. In 2006, it launched its second full scale war in Lebanon, only to be driven back once again by that damned Hezbollah. It was time to start thinking big and regional again. As mentioned above, the Bush war on Iran didn't pan out. (This was largely because the CIA got its revenge on the neocons by releasing a report stating plainly that Iran was not anything close to a nuclear threat.) So instead the neocons and the Saudis drew the US into what Seymour Hersh called "the Redirection" in 2007, which involved clandestine "dirty war" support for Sunni jihadists to counter Iran, Syria, and Hezbollah.

When the 2011 Arab Spring wave of popular uprisings spread to Syria, the Redirection was put into overdrive. The subsequent US-led dirty war discussed above had the added bonus of drawing Hezbollah into the bloody quagmire to try to save Assad, whose regime now finally seems on the verge of collapse.

The Clean Break is back, baby! Assad is going, Saddam is gone, and who knows: the Ayatollah may never get his nuclear deal anyway. But most importantly for "securing the realm," Hezbollah is on the ropes.

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And so what if the Clean Break was rather messy and broke so many bodies and buildings along the way? Maybe it's like what Lenin said about omelets and eggs: you just can't make a Clean Break without breaking a few million Arabs and a few thousand Americans. And what about all those fanatics now running rampant throughout large swaths of the world thanks to the Clean Break wars, mass-executing Muslim "apostates" and Christian "infidels" and carrying out terrorist attacks on westerners? Again, the Clean Breakers must remind themselves, keep your eye on the omelet and forget the eggs.

Well, dear reader, you and I are the eggs. And if we don't want to see our world broken any further by the imperial clique of murderers in Washington for the sake of the petty regional ambitions of a tiny clique of murderers in Tel Aviv, we must insist on American politics making a clean break from the neocons, and US foreign policy making a clean break from Israel.

[Jun 30, 2015] Russian culture minister calls for tax on Hollywood films

Jun 30, 2015 | The Guardian

DavidEG 30 Jun 2015 00:26

They (Hollywood staple) should be taxed the same way as tobacco or controlled substances. Full of violence, harmful to mental well-being of children an adults alike.

HollyOldDog wereallfuckedboy 29 Jun 2015 18:54

The UK government should have given the Hollywood WWW2 films the the J rating for JUNK.

Doors2distant 29 Jun 2015 18:29

What an excellent idea, the quality can only improve. No car chases, cop porn, war porn or saccharin sentimentality.

Ieuan 29 Jun 2015 17:15

" he wants to introduce a sales tax that will be used to increase funds for local productions."

In just about every market Hollywood films gross the most. But in many markets (fewer and fewer as US companies take over their own local distribution) they are distributed by local distributors, who then invest some of their profits into local productions - hence some of the Hollywood blockbusters' moneymaking gets routed into supporting the local industry.

If (as I suspect) the Russian distributors of Hollywood product are owned by Hollywood studios, and do not produce anything locally, then I think it's fair enough that the government steps in and routes some of the money made into local industry.

olliemaple 29 Jun 2015 16:52

Exceptionally right decision indeed. It's only fair that whoever watches that Hollywood crap should be extra taxed in favor of positive domestic productions. Not unlike cigarette sales.

Alderbaran 29 Jun 2015 10:36

Many Russian films could be considered to be great and to me trump much of what comes out of Hollywood. However, it was a shame that Medinsky saw no merit in Leviathan and I'm probably one of many who see Medinsky's actions as political in nature, especially given the criterea for state funding of films in Russia.

It is a shame to see the state increasingly policing the film industry in Russia but I'm certain that creative directors will still be able to work within the constraints.

Tilipon -> dropthemchammer 29 Jun 2015 08:24

countries who passed through state coup. Look in root but not in a peak...

[Jun 29, 2015] The current round of sanctions, it reports, was designed not to have too much impact on the Russian economy so that a threat of harsher sanctions could be applied.

"...A good indication that MH17 was made to order by NATO."
Patient Observer , June 27, 2015 at 6:20 am
Did we expect anything less?
http://rt.com/news/251889-us-russia-war-attrition/

Apparently things went sour with Russia when:

" US diplomats say Russia changed the cooperative stance it assumed after the collapse of the Soviet Union and is now using force to defend its national interests, the paper said. The change is attributed to the personality of Russian President Vladimir Putin, who, Washington expects, will remain in power until at least 2024.

The change became apparent with the conflict in Ukraine, but was emerging since at least the 2008 conflict in South Ossetia, when Russia used military force after Georgia sent its army to subdue the rebellious region, killing Russian peacekeepers in the process.

Washington's solution to the new Russia is keeping sanctions pressure on it while luring its neighbors away with economic aid and investment, La Stampa said. The current round of sanctions, it reports, was designed not to have too much impact on the Russian economy so that a threat of harsher sanctions could be applied. "

Very fiendish plan indeed except for one small problem – the US economy is floating in the toilet and the Russians and the Chinese are about to pull the lever via dedollarization. Oh well.

kirill, June 27, 2015 at 6:45 am
The western media produces nothing but propaganda. The US stages a coup in Ukraine and then has its quislings launch a war of terror in the Donbas where at least 25,000 civilians are dead as a direct, intended result but all we hear is about Putin and his aggression. What sick, delusional shit for "analysis". By helping Donbas residents defend themselves from an obvious ethnic cleansing attempt, Russia is the "aggressor". This is pure 1984 newspeak in action.

The US is going off the deep end because its economy is going to collapse. All the offshoring of jobs has a price. The trickle down economy of merchant resale of Chinese imports can't really substitute for the original economy since all the good jobs lost.

marknesop, June 27, 2015 at 4:08 pm
Yeah, right. We were just kidding about sanctions – those were just the kiddie sanctions. We were hoping not to have to do the real ones.

In actuality, the USA poured on as much leverage as it could get away with, without its European partners screaming like girl scouts who see a snake. The U.S. government knows that what you need is momentum, so a good hard punch to start things off and then you just wade in swinging until your man goes down. If they didn't follow that pattern it's because they couldn't, not because they didn't want to or felt merciful.

ThatJ , June 27, 2015 at 5:39 pm
I agree, the sanctions were no joking matter. The US targeted the energy, arms and finance industries in a single blow after Russia didn't "cooperate".
marknesop, June 27, 2015 at 8:21 pm
Precisely. They meant to make Russia stagger, and then to keep up the momentum until it fell over. Not to say they could not have imposed worse sanctions, but not without directly and visibly affecting European economies as well, to a degree the European public would not tolerate.

Worse sanctions are just bluster – the effort has failed, and keeping the campfire-girls sanctions they have already in effect will constitute a long-term benefit to Russia and long-term damage to the EU, as Russia establishes other markets. Brand loyalty only lasts until customers find something else they like.

kirill, June 27, 2015 at 9:05 pm
The really hilarious thing is that it was the US and its propaganda factory media that undermined the sanctions long before they were ever implemented. They scared off investment in Russia and Russian investment in the west. So all the pain they were expecting from "cutting Russia off" never happened. The west is truly led by retards.
astabada, June 28, 2015 at 3:58 am
but not without directly and visibly affecting European economies as well, to a degree the European public would not tolerate.

This is, incidentally, the reason why the US badly needs an open Russian intervention in Ukraine.

Let's remember once again that the first round of sanctions was passed on the aftermath of MH17. A round of tougher ones would require a bigger tragedy still.

kirill, June 28, 2015 at 6:53 am
A good indication that MH17 was made to order by NATO.

[Jun 29, 2015]Could Armenia Be The Next Ukraine

Jun 29, 2015 | finance.yahoo.com

...As in other former Soviet countries, the energy behemoth ENA remains a heavily mismanaged enterprise. This was confirmed by a recent probe, in which the energy regulator has found that suppliers and traders often use shady intermediaries to push energy managers to inflate procurement costs or steal electricity. This has led to more than EUR 70 million in losses for the company in just the last three years, according to the energy ministry.

The company's overall debt has reached $250 million. Initially, ENA has suggested a 40 percent increase in electricity tariffs in order to cover its obligations. The government of the pro-Russian president Serge Sargsyan and the quasi-independent energy regulator initially refused but ultimately had to accept a 16.7 percent rise after a series of high-level visits from Moscow. Although the government has confirmed the results of the regulator's investigation, it has decided to look the other way.

Even after the hike, power tariffs would still be just EUR 0.11 cents/kWh, or about half of what average EU households pay. At purchasing power parity, though, their impact on household budgets is much greater. According to a World Bank study, Armenians spend around 8% of their income on energy use, while consuming three times less energy per capita than people in Central and Eastern Europe, also a region where energy poverty is a widespread phenomenon.

In addition, if accepted, this would be the third consecutive power price hike in two years at a time when the economy is facing slow growth and high unemployment rate. The Armenian economy, which is heavily dependent on Russia, has faced a major downturn since the start of economic troubles for its powerful neighbor to the north. Russia is the key destination for labor migrants, who contributed more than 20% of the national income in the form of remittances in 2013 and 11 percent in 2014. In the first five months of 2015, cash transfers have halved.

The economic link with Russia is most profound in the energy sector. Apart from ENA, the Russian state, through Gazprom, owns 100 percent of the country's wholesale gas supplying company. The bulk of FDI inflows also have Russian origin, and 40 percent of them are targeting the energy sector.

In addition, Armenia imports almost all of its gas from Russia and natural gas imports comprise around 80 percent of all energy imports. Furthermore, 60 percent of the country's total primary energy supply is derived from natural gas, which is responsible for the majority of residential energy use, especially in big cities.

However, the increase in gas import prices in 2010 and the subsequent 40 percent hike in household gas tariffs pushed some urban residents to switch from natural gas to electricity for heating, which became comparatively cheaper (about one-fifth of Armenia's electricity is generated from natural gas, with the rest supplied by a number of hydro power plants and a nuclear power plant, which is currently being modernized). Hence, when power prices began to increase, the outrage in the capital, Yerevan, was easy to understand.

According to the protest leaders, the rallies are not anti-Russian in nature and the main demand of the people is a reversal to the government's power price decision. President Sargsyan seemed have backed down after he told senior officials on 26 June that the government will cover the difference between the old and the new price with budget subsidies until the end of a comprehensive audit of the ENA's activities.

Protesters, however, seem determined to stay on the streets. Deep-seated mistrust in the government's ability to implement reforms could trigger an impulse for a regime change. This is the biggest fear in Moscow, which sees the current Armenian government as an important ally in its natural backyard. Russia has been able to preserve its influence in the small Caucasian state by expanding its control over key economic sectors. This was done by recruiting senior government officials, who used Russia's influence to limit outside competition and preserve the dominant position of Russian companies in the energy sector.

If there is a change of guard in Yerevan, the established connections that have served Moscow so well, could crumble. Not surprisingly, similar to the aftermath of Ukraine's Maidan rally in early 2014, Moscow's propaganda has presented the street protests in Yerevan as a Western plot to contain Russia's influence.

In a sign of full support, Moscow provided the government with $200 million in military aid on 26 June. Armenia relies for its security on the 3,000 Russian troops stationed in the country, which have so far deterred efforts by Azerbaijan to try to reclaim the separatist republic of Nagorno Karabakh, occupied by Armenia during a bloody five-year war in the early 1990s.

Paradoxically, Russia's attempts to secure its influence and, more importantly, its energy interests in the neighborhood could backfire. While Armenian demonstrators have largely limited, domestic aims, the Russian insistence on turning the protests into an East-West clash could incite protesters to demand that the Armenian government take a sharp turn away from Moscow.

Faced with such a choice, president Sargsyan might have to abandon his close ties with Kremlin in an attempt to stay in power. This is likely to lead to economic retaliation from Russia such as gas supply cuts. The alternative, though, may be to follow the path of Ukraine's former president, Victor Yanukovych.

By Martin Vladimirov for Oilprice.com

[Jun 29, 2015] Everything Russia puts out is actually disinformation, while everything the west puts out, despite being caught lying, is fact

"... What infuriates me is the assumption that everything Russia puts out as fact is actually disinformation, while everything the west puts out as fact is fact, despite being caught lying again and again and again. Believe us – baby, we've changed."
"...I also do not really get what the EU is doing. There already exist pro-western propaganda outlets, for example RFE/RL, etc. In Hungary, more than 50% of the media is western owned. So why is more propaganda needed?"
"...Typical duplication of effort so as to charge the public purse twice over for the same work. The EU produced a marvelous graphic extravaganza intended to lure Ukraine, extolling the virtues of European integration and the salutatory effect it would have on important things like life expectancy, health care, availability of clean water, life expectancy (so important they put it in twice), friendly police instead of extortion-junkies, bla, bla. I encourage everyone to have a look through it from the lens of today, and see how many came true. I especially loved the one about tolerance – mercy, yes; tolerance in Ukraine has certainly taken a leap upward thanks to Europe's beneficial influence. "

Fern, June 28, 2015 at 7:34 pm

And the latest news from Inside the Bubble or, the EU as it's sometimes known, is this breathless piece from the Guardian announcing the actions the Bubble leaders are planning to take to counter Russian 'propaganda'.

"The document, drafted by the EU's diplomatic corps, also calls for efforts to persuade people in countries such as Ukraine, Georgia and Moldova of the benefits of European-style reforms.

The plan was prepared ahead of the EU summit in Brussels and offers a strategy to provide alternatives sources of information to outlets such as Russia's state-funded RT television, amid an increasingly polarised media environment sparked by the war in Ukraine.

A communications unit called the East StratCom Team, launched in April, will support EU delegations in the six eastern neighbourhood countries, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Georgia, Moldova and Ukraine – as well as in Russia itself.

The main objectives include communicating and promoting "EU policies and values", supporting independent media and increasing awareness of "disinformation activities by external actors".
The document states that communication towards the east should "first and foremost focus on the development of positive and effective messages regarding EU policies towards the region".
Brussels needs to spread the message that reforms promoted by the European Union "can, over time, have a positive impact on their daily lives," the action plan says. It stresses that the strategy should highlight the benefits, not the bureaucracy, focusing on clearly explaining the positive effects of EU programmes and policies rather than going into details about the policies."

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jun/25/eu-russia-propaganda-ukraine

The author of the paper or report called "The Kremlin's Hall of Mirrors" to which this Guardian article refers is Peter Pomerantsev and everything makes an appearance therein including Putin's troll factory. It goes without saying that everything coming out of Russia is propaganda while everything coming out of the West is the God's Honest Truth. Pure unvarnished facts. Take this snippet where he tells the tale of one Margo Gontar who's involved with StopFake:

"At times like this, she had always reached out to western media for a sense of something solid, but this was starting to slip too. Whenever somewhere like the BBC or Tagesspiegel published a story, they felt obliged to present the Kremlin's version of events – fascists, western conspiracy, etc – as the other side, for balance. Gontar began to wonder whether her search for certainty was futile: if the truth was constantly shifting before her eyes, and there was always another side to every story, was there anything solid left to hold on to?"

Yeah, I always reach out to western media for the self-same reasons. And if the BBC's coverage of Ukraine has ever been impartial, well, I must have blinked and missed it.

In similar vein, Pomerantsev spends a lot of the article ridiculing RT as here:-

"Presenters rarely challenge the views of "experts" during discussions of subjects such as the Syria conflict – where Moscow has backed President Bashar al-Assad. One regular guest has suggested that the Syrian civil war was "planned in 1997 by Paul Wolfowitz", while another has described the death toll as "a joint production of CIA, MI6, Mossad".

http://www.theguardian.com/news/2015/apr/09/kremlin-hall-of-mirrors-military-information-psychology

I take it that Mr Pomerantsev has heard neither of the Yinon plan dating from the 1970's which started that a key part of Israel's foreign policy objectives should be the break-up of the surrounding nation states into mutually hostile ethnic statelets nor the Project for a New American Century, a neo-con outfit in which Wolfowitz played a leading role, that targeted around seven countries, including Iraq and Syria for destruction.

This is the issue Mr P the EU and NATO are really complaining about – in the past their statements would pass without challenge, but not any longer.

Pavlo Svolochenko , June 28, 2015 at 7:44 pm
'Gontar began to wonder whether her search for certainty was futile: if the truth was constantly shifting before her eyes, and there was always another side to every story, was there anything solid left to hold on to?"'

That's the shreds of your conscience screaming at you to pull your head out of your arse. You know you're full of it – why not quit before you completely damn yourself?

yalensis , June 29, 2015 at 2:31 am
Pro-Russian propagandists have found a way to weaponize FACTS. This is the latest form of hybrid warfare. Or maybe multi-brid warfare.

Anyhow, it gets confusing; on whom can one count on in this post-modernistic world?

Remember: The Truth is only what Curt says it is, there is your guiding star!

marknesop, June 29, 2015 at 7:27 am
What infuriates me is the assumption – as Fern alluded – that everything Russia puts out as fact is actually disinformation, while everything the west puts out as fact is fact, despite being caught lying again and again and again. Believe us – baby, we've changed.
Cortes, June 29, 2015 at 10:47 am
Cavour used to say that the surest way to deceive his counterparts was to tell the plain truth.
Moscow Exile, June 29, 2015 at 11:07 am
I remember some smart arse on the Guardian CiF commenting after I had posted a lengthy contribution in which I had used Levada sourced statistics: "You do realize that all your sources are Russian?"
ThatJ, June 28, 2015 at 8:57 pm
Guardian correspondent "Matt G" commented:

US government media Radio Liberty reports on "strategic communications action plan" they probably had a pivotal role in writing, about how they plan to pump more money into Ukrainian and other post-soviet media in order to promote Europeanization, which would technically be what RFE would call "propaganda". Both Russian media and Western media especially RFE is complicit in "disinformation propaganda campaigns" and I struggle to understand what quite "EU policies and values" are exactly, other than promoting LGTB rights. Nonetheless, why do we need to promote "EU policies and values" in three Caucasus countries and two European countries one traditionally Russian and the other which will never be integrated into the EU. Is it just me or does this look less about promoting are values and more about turning post-soviet states against Russia? Something which was previously carried out in Ukraine before the coup as highlighted in some Wikileaks documents on Crimea.

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"Lesm" had this to say:

This article itself is a good example of the kind of propaganda that the EU is thinking of expanding to the East. Rt was itself started by the Russians as an antidote to the relentless Western propaganda contained in the "news" that comes from the Western Controlled wire services and media empires. The thing I find quite funny about the West is their habit of suggesting always that they are simply responding to things being done to them rather than initiating actions that others are responding to. So the West never does "terrorism", it only does "counter-terrorism". Equally it never does propaganda, it only counters propaganda from the "other" side.

The reality is of course quite different. The West, and in particular the US, the UK and NATO, are the largest and most successful terrorist organisations on the planet. In addition the old USSR acknowledged that it simply could not compete with the propaganda mechanisms of the West as they were so pervasive and so well disguised as to be unbeatable!!!!

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Reader "DomesticExtremist" is unconvinced that the EU is democratic:

European values = declaring Conchita Wurst the winner of Eurovision 2014 even though the telephone (popular) vote was won by Donatan and Cleo.

A metaphor for Western democracy if ever there was.

[ThatJ: I hate it when people speak only of the EU, EU, EU… it's like we're helping to cement the view in the public's mind that the EU is kinda like an "United States of Europe". Distinction between the member countries must be made. I'll try to speak of "Brussels" instead of the European Union, because Brussels belongs to a country only (Belgium), and the message is clear enough: the dictates of Brussels are alien to the European countries.]

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A bigoted homophobe named "Lordoflight23″ thinks US-exported, Brussels-welcomed values are uninspiring:

The values of supporting moderate opposition and creating extremist, backing all "good regimes" around the world, the two most powerful EU leaders being wiretapped and still do nothing about it, gay parades and bearded women. Some values that is.

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Kremlin troll "Alphysicist" resorts to whataboutism, links to a RT article:

'Let viewers form own opinions' – German channel probed for airing RT show

So in Germany Salve.TV took a broadcast from RT.com, and is now under fire from media watchdogs. That is EU pluralism! Real values.

I also do not really get what the EU is doing. There already exist pro-western propaganda outlets, for example RFE/RL, etc. In Hungary, more than 50% of the media is western owned. So why is more propaganda needed?

I like RT, because one gets to hear many who are persona non grata in the Western media. John Mearsheimer, Stephen Walt, Gilad Atzmon, Norman Finkelstein, George Galloway, Udo Ulfkotte, and the list goes on and on. And they have many interesting things to say! Also, even if RT is connected to the Kremlin, the persons above are saying their own opinions, regardless of the Kremlin. This is why RT is a really useful supplement to western propaganda.

Fern, June 29, 2015 at 3:00 am
ThatJ, thanks for posting those comments from Guardian correspondents, baffling as always that they seem more informed than the journalists paid to write for the paper. Glad to hear it's not only me struggling to understand what 'western values' actually are.
marknesop, June 29, 2015 at 7:52 am
Typical duplication of effort so as to charge the public purse twice over for the same work. The EU produced a marvelous graphic extravaganza intended to lure Ukraine, extolling the virtues of European integration and the salutatory effect it would have on important things like life expectancy, health care, availability of clean water, life expectancy (so important they put it in twice), friendly police instead of extortion-junkies, bla, bla. I encourage everyone to have a look through it from the lens of today, and see how many came true. I especially loved the one about tolerance – mercy, yes; tolerance in Ukraine has certainly taken a leap upward thanks to Europe's beneficial influence.

[Jun 28, 2015] The USA tries to stage a color revolution in Armenia

Jun 28, 2015 | marknesop.wordpress.com

Fern, June 27, 2015 at 8:22 pm

A very interesting article on the situation in Armenia. I don't agree with everything the writer says but much of it is spot-on:

Novices to political science and political activism may be lured by the spectre and spectacle of the Color Revolution method that has characterized ostensible movements for radical social change in the last generation. The symbols have become iconic and clichéd: the tent city, the die-in, the girl placing flowers in the gendarme's gun barrels, water cannons and tear-gas, the fist flag.

What is missing of course from this view is an understanding of the real social forces in a society, class and economic forces. For forty years, genuine activism, labor union militancy, has been marginalized. In place of direct action against the ruling class at the very places that make their wealth, is a strange simulation of late 1960's student activism; shown to us on a never-ending film reel loop.

http://fortruss.blogspot.co.uk/2015/06/electric-yerevan-and-lessons-on-color.html

Many of the analysts I've read on Armenia – including those quoted above – seem to think it unlikely that this new Maidan will succeed. I'm not so sure. Once it has its hooks into a country, the US is loathe to let go.

marknesop, June 27, 2015 at 8:32 pm
Like sanctions, the colour revolutions depend on momentum – getting it, and maintaining it by incremental pressure until the government folds up like a lawn chair. Governments have learned from the Orange Revolution not to let a revolutionary camp get established, and as soon as they see tents they get torn down; if people do not have shelter in which to sleep so they can stay on location, they quickly fragment and drift away.

But no colour revolution ever again reached the intensity of the Orange Revolution. It was up to the western media to create the appearance of momentum by injecting fake news about the government meeting with rebel leaders and filming the crowds from angles and frames which suggest they were much bigger than they actually are.

Yanukovych at Maidan is probably the worst possible example, and it gave the west unfounded confidence, because he capitulated in whole in less time than it takes to say it, folding like a steamed tortilla and giving the self-appointed leaders everything they asked for without even putting up a fight.

In retrospect, they probably could have sent Tetyana Chornovol in alone to beat him up until he wept for mercy and saved a great deal of effort and expense. But other leaders are tougher and smarter than Yanukovych, and are expecting to be colour-revolutioned. The secret is not to lose your head and start bargaining, because that's what the model is calculated to make you do.

ucgsblog. June 27, 2015 at 11:22 pm
There's also Russia releasing all of the tactics used in the Orange Revolution for every country's government to study. I doubt that they're will be a repeat, especially in Armenia.
yalensis , June 28, 2015 at 3:43 am
The Flores piece that Fern posted makes a really good point, about the difference between REAL activism (e.g., trade union strikes) and fake activism (e.g., student protests, hippie flower children, etc.)

When a trade union wins a bitter strike and gets a measly raise of, say, $.50 per hour, it is still a significant victory, because the money comes directly out (and in place of) of the capitalist's profits. As Flores notes, this is "direct action" at the very fountain of where wealth is created. As opposed to student protests, which do nothing to change anything at the base of the economic system.

But it IS notable that the current bunch of goons in charge of the U.S. government – people like Clinton, Nuland, etc., spent some of their student years in the 1960's doing various hippie-dippie protests, and the like. So, they are familiar with this method of protest, and use it as a cover for the actual big-power subversion, which they are doing behind the scenes. Subconsciously, they might even believe that "it's all good", because they have such fond memories of their own student years spent supporting various "good causes".

Oh, and another reason these "hippie-dippie" type protests are popular with a certain type of gilded youth, is because it allows them to indulge in their own physical narcisissm:
They get to paint their faces, wear funny costumes, show of their "creativity", preen in front of cameras, etc.
The sort of thing that many teenagers enjoy doing, but especially the more narcissistic types.

Fern, June 28, 2015 at 4:56 am
yalensis, yes, I think that's a really key point – the difference between activism that fundamentally changes or challenges economic relationships in a society and these so-called 'revolutions' which is nearly every state have led to the embrace of neo-liberal policies and worsening of the economic situation of many of its citizens. And, of course, it's a point that's completely missing from any western MSM analysis of what's taken place in Ukraine, Georgia and all the other places with colour or flower 'revolutions'. No questioning at all of why, exactly, the leaders of western countries such as the US or UK are so enthusiastic in supporting these movements abroad when they have done everything possible to destroy or marginalise agents for real change at home.
yalensis , June 28, 2015 at 3:31 am
It makes sense that U.S. is targeting Armenian government with color revolution.
Probably to punish Armenia for joining Eurasian Economic Union.
Jen, June 28, 2015 at 5:20 am
There could be many reasons and Armenia's entry into the Eurasian Union could be one of them. The US wouldn't initiate a colour revolution unless it presents an opportunity to kill several birds with one stone. A colour revolution leading to instability or an extremely nationalist government that reignites the Nagorno-Karabakh dispute with Azerbaijan would (supposedly) draw in Russia, to supply Armenia with aid or weapons, and that would open the door to greater US military investment in Azerbaijan on the pretext that Azerbaijan is being threatened. This gives the US an opportunity to go to the next step which would be to plan an invasion of or another Green revolution in Iran next door, or start colour revolutions in Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan.

Also 2016 is the start of a new election cycle in the US and Washington probably needs to get some action going against Russia and/or Iran to defect public attention away from an uninspiring field of presidential candidates and their lack of meaningful policies.

yalensis, June 28, 2015 at 4:34 am
As per the Gene Sharp handbook, Armenian demonstrators are starting to hint at violence, in the next phase or protests. Armenian media caughts shots of some demonstrators starting to wave wooden clubs.

Yerevan police chief Valery Osipian communicated, that the police have pictures of the people with the wooden clubs, and intend to find them, as this is illegal.

Osipian also communicated, that the protesters attempts to set up tents and food service have been thwarted. Setting up food and cooking, in particular, requires permits.

Is perfectly clear that Armenian authorities know exactly what is happening, and what is going to happen next. Probably the next phase is violence. There were some reports of Ukrainian neo-Nazis being flown in, but possibly there are also violent groups within Armenia who could be used as the shock troops.

But police seem to be savvy, and know what to do. Ukrainian police (=Berkut) were defeated only, because Yanukovych lost his nerve and would not allow them to win.

Jen , June 28, 2015 at 5:49 am
Perhaps if the Armenian government declared that anyone attending the demonstrations would not receive any results from end-of-term or end-of-year exams at school or college, and threaten to order educational authorities to withhold school or university graduation certificates and ceremonies as well, the protests might shrink to just the ringleaders and their more fanatical followers.

The reason that the Umbrella Revolution faltered in Hong Kong last year was that universities had just reopened after term break and exams were about to start, and the Hong Kong authorities only had to wait out the protests.

likbez , June 28, 2015 at 7:30 am
Don't be naïve. As Euromaidan had shown University professors, deans, etc themselves are an important part of fifth column supporting the protests. Departments of Economics and similar "social" departments are especially easy and cheap to seduce by grants, foreign trips, etc. and they have natural neoliberal leanings. In case of Euromaidan it was they who, if not asked students to go to the street, at least granted them "amnesty" from missing the classes. And they operated within the larger framework of staging color revolution, being just one element of complex infrastructure. The same was true in Hong Cong: certain professors actively encouraged the events and served as catalyst for students.

The start of color revolution means just a switch to active stage of of multifaceted, well prepared ongoing intelligence operation using the accumulated in embassies cash and well organized assets in the country such as NGO, journalists, fifth column within the government, etc. Operation which was prepared for long time..

Those extras that show up on the streets are mostly a stage for public consumption. Real events of infiltration that make color revolution possible happen on higher level and are hidden from the view. The goal is always to paralyze and neutralize both government and law enforcement by finding people who can be bought, coerced into supporting the coup d'état or at least profess neutrality. And without "breakthrough" in this direction the active stage on which protesters suddenly and en mass appear of the streets is never started.

Nuland and company probably made serious progress in creating the "color revolution infrastructure" and fifth column within the county elite. They probably are now keeping of short leash some corrupt officials both in law enforcement and government. Cash is now dispensed continuously to grease the wheels. "Militant protestor" in Kiev got around $30- $35 a night. Of course some radical nationalist elements participated "for free" but a lot of extras were paid.

So start of active phase first of all means the level of maturity and readiness of already formed fifth column within the government to topple the current government. In case of Ukraine it was Lyovochkin and elements within SBU and police (remnants from Yushchenko government), Also Nuland kept Yanukovich by the balls be threating to confiscate his assets in the West. I suspect that in some form this is also true the case in Armenia.

In other words the key feature of color revolution is the "elite betrayal" component. That's why often the actions of the government in "self-defense" are contradictory and inefficient..

[Jun 28, 2015] Is a "color revolution" underway in Armenia

"Electric Yerevan" is Sliding Out of Control

by Andrew Korybko for Sputink

Armenians have taken to the streets to protest a planned 17-22% increase in their utility bills, initiated by the Armenian Electricity Network due to the Armenian dram's dramatic depreciation over the past year (about equal in percentage to the price hike itself). While it's understandable that some in the economically struggling country would be upset by the $85 or so cumulative increase in payments each year, many find it troubling that some individuals have resorted to arming themselves and aggressively attacking the police, and it's confusing that the participants would reject government appeals to negotiate if all they were really after was to repeal the electricity rate increase. After hundreds of arrests over the past few days for hooligan activity, groups of individuals are now blockading the capital's main avenue and have threatened to march on the Presidential Palace, eerily following in the footsteps of their EuroMaidan predecessors. More and more, what may have begun as a legitimate protest movement appears to have been hijacked into a Color Revolution attempt.

The Situation So Far

Opposition to the electricity rate increase had been brewing since May, but it was only on Monday that the "No to Plunder" initiative was able to bring thousands to the streets in protest. They gathered on Freedom Square, in the city's center, and demanded that the hike be reversed. President Serzh Sargsyan suggested that they choose five representatives to speak to him about it, but the mob refused. Later that night, internal provocateurs pushed the crowd into marching on the Presidential Palace, and when they refused law enforcement's repeated pleas to disperse their illegal manifestation, the riot police were forced to resort to water cannons and mass arrests to restore public order. The resulting tumult injured 11 police officers and 7 protesters, and some of the 237 who were arrested were reported to have been equipped with knives, knuckle dusters, batons, and metal rods.

The protests swelled the next day to 15,000 people, and the mob once more rejected President Sargsyan second request to negotiate. They may have felt emboldened by the US' official statement on the matter, which in a style reminiscent of its early response to EuroMaidan, stated that:

"…we are concerned about reports of excessive police use of force to disperse the crowd on the morning of June 23, as well as several reports of abuse while in police custody. In addition, we are troubled by reports that journalists and their equipment were specifically targeted during the operation. It is imperative that the Government conduct a full and transparent investigation of reports of the excessive use of force by the police to the full extent of Armenian law."

Just like in Ukraine, when the US supports an anti-government movement (which is what has essentially formed in Armenia), it completely opposes any attempt by the authorities to assert law and order in responding to their proxies' illegal provocations. The implicit statement of support for the disorderly activity was a signal to the Yerevan organizers to stage an occupation movement on Baghramyan Avenue, the central street leading to the Presidential Palace, and block it with a combination of garbage cans and a "living wall" on Wednesday. The Minister of Education and a few opposition MPs physically partook in this activity, indicating an emerging split within the government. The individuals behind the destabilization have since branded their movement 'Electric Yerevan', and this was a sign for their affiliated anti-government cells all across the country to simultaneously 'come out' and transform the capital's protests into a nationwide rebellion……

……Like all Color Revolutions, the backers of 'Electric Yerevan' are motivated by concrete geopolitical interests. They want to install an anti-Russian government that would withdraw Armenia from the Eurasian Economic Union and break the historical friendship between both states, following the model spearheaded by EuroMaidan's post-coup authorities. Pashinyan is highly critical of all aspects of Armenia's special relationship with Russia and has experience with anti-government organizing, hence his present designation as de-facto leader of the Color Revolution. The US also wants to drag Russia into a renewed military conflict over Nagorno-Karabakh, using post-coup newly installed nationalists like Pashinyan to aggravate the situation with Azerbaijan to the point of open warfare, which Russia, with its Collective Security Treaty Organization obligations to Armenia and its 102nd military base in Gyumri, would inevitably be sucked into. The US failed to coax a disastrous Afghan-esque military intervention out of Russia in Ukraine after the EuroMaidan events, but it doesn't mean that it won't try to do the same thing in the Caucasus after a potentially successful 'Electric Yerevan'.

http://rt.com/politics/269392-russian-senator-armenia-unrest/

"So far the situation appears to be developing as a conflict among people who are unhappy with their socio-economic well-being. But we should not deceive ourselves, all color revolutions developed in similar scenarios. Armenia is not guaranteed from such outcome," Kosachev said in comments with RIA Novosti.

The senior Russian senator also drew the reporters attention to the fact that about a hundred of various non-government groups were working with Armenian public opinion trying to incline it towards the pro-Western way of development. He noted that the very suggestion of a choice between East and West was an imposed move that could only lead to conflict.

"This is an absolutely artificial choice, a dishonest and unappealing political gamble," he noted.

Russia currently lists color revolution as a major threat to the national stability and international peace. In March this year the chairman of the Security Council and a former head of the Federal Security Service, Nikolai Patrushev, said that this body would develop a detailed plan aimed at preventing color revolutions or any other attempts of forceful change of lawfully elected authorities through mass street protest.

[Jun 28, 2015]Signs of color revolution observed in Armenia's unrest

Jun 28, 2015 | en.trend.az

Konstantin Kosachev, the head of the international committee of the Federation Council of Russia, considers the unrest in Armenia as the signs of "color revolution", RIA Novosti reported.

"At present, the external situation resembles as a conflict of people dissatisfied with their socio-economic well-being," Kosachev said June 24.

"But there is no need to delude ourselves," he said. "All "color revolutions" developed according to the same scenario. And Armenia is not insured against this."

The rally began in the Liberty Square in Yerevan June 19. It turned into a procession to the presidential residence June 22 evening. The police dispersed the demonstrators with rubber truncheons and water cannons June 23 morning.

Almost 240 people, including journalists, were taken to the police stations. The medical assistance was rendered to 25 people.

The deputy head of Yerevan's police said that all detained protesters have been already released.

On June 23, the Armenian police broke up a rally in the center of the country's capital. The rally was held in protest against increased electricity tariffs. The protests in the streets resulted in use of water cannons against people. Over 230 people were arrested as a result of violent crackdown, including journalists of Gala TV, the Radio Liberty's Armenian office, the Haykakan Zhamanak newspaper, the Hetq, News.am, Panarmenian.net news agencies.

On June 17, Armenia's Public Services Regulatory Commission, considering a request from the distribution company, Electric Networks of Armenia, which is a subsidiary of the Inter RAO UES, raised the electricity tariffs by 6.93 Armenian drams (about $0.015). This caused discontent among the population that believes the rise in the cost of electricity will lead to higher prices for essential goods and many services.

[Jun 28, 2015] Thousands in Armenia protest steep hikes in electricity rates

WaPo reported initial events using standard "color revolution" template used in Ukraine.
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"..."The society is very polarized. The power is very weak, in terms of its legitimacy. And a significant number of people are not satisfied with the political system," said Alexander Iskandaryan, a political expert and director of the Caucasus Institute in Yerevan. "They are expressing their dissatisfaction, making statements against the president, against the police, against the ruling Republican Party. But in general, this entire complex reveals the total lack of trust in the political system.""
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"...Some Armenian opposition politicians supported the protesters Tuesday. Activists in Russia and Ukraine also cheered the rallies via social media, lauding them as the next generation of demonstrators against Russian President Vladimir Putin's post­-Soviet order. Some Russian media reports seemed to support that view, citing experts warning that the "hands of the USA" were behind the Armenian protests, which had the makings of a "color revolution." "
June 23, 2015 | The Washington Post

Thousands of protesters returned to a main thoroughfare of downtown Yerevan, Armenia, on Tuesday evening, facing down riot police to protest steep electricity price increases planned in the economically strapped country.

Protesters in the capital city marched toward the presidential palace on Marshal Baghramyan Avenue just hours after police had unleashed water cannons to disperse a peaceful overnight sit-in that had taken place in the same spot earlier in the day, detaining more than 230 demonstrators and journalists in the process. The protests, which have been growing over several days, are the most widespread public demonstrations in the Armenian capital since opposition activists rallied thousands against President Serzh Sargsyan's reelection in 2013.

The demonstrations against electricity prices are less structured than the post-election protests, but they still could resonate widely in the current political climate.

Armenia's unrest comes as the country is reeling from the protracted effects of the economic crisis that has gripped Russia's economy over the past year - and, in turn, affected the economies of former Soviet states that depend on Russian markets and the value of the ruble. Russia's economic troubles were complicated by pressure from Western sanctions imposed in response to Moscow's annexation of Crimea and involvement in eastern Ukraine, punitive measures that the European Union voted Monday to extend for six months.

Armenia receives more than 20 percent of its national income from Russian remittances and joined the Moscow-led Eurasian Economic Union earlier this year. It is especially dependent on the ebbs and flows of the Russian economy, and its currency, the dram, has suffered for it.

The Russia connection is even more acute in the energy sector.

Armenia's power grid is controlled by the Armenian Electricity Network, a subsidiary of the Russian company Inter RAO UES, whose major shareholders include Russian state-controlled entities. Last month, the Armenian subsidiary announced plans to raise the price of electricity by more than 16 percent beginning in August. The move was described as necessary because of the depreciation of the national currency, but protesters say the increase would be too much for regular people to afford.

"Spread the word, fill the streets and don't pay your electric bill," one organizer told the crowd gathered in Yerevan's Liberty Square on Tuesday. "If we all don't pay our electric bills, they can't do anything about it."

But the protests may not have gathered strength absent general dissatisfaction with the economic and political situation in the country.

"The society is very polarized. The power is very weak, in terms of its legitimacy. And a significant number of people are not satisfied with the political system," said Alexander Iskandaryan, a political expert and director of the Caucasus Institute in Yerevan. "They are expressing their dissatisfaction, making statements against the president, against the police, against the ruling Republican Party. But in general, this entire complex reveals the total lack of trust in the political system."

Tuesday's protesters were mostly young adults, and word of the demonstrations spread through social media instead of through the political opposition parties. The main group behind the past several days of protests is a civic group called No to Plunder.

Iskandaryan said it is difficult to predict how the protests will develop, given how relatively decentralized and underfunded they are. The demonstrations could continue, they could fizzle or the government could meet the demonstrators' demands.

"But whatever scenario will come to be, it will not solve the main problem. The main problems will remain," Iskandaryan said. "And then it will be possible to find another excuse for another rally."

How the Yerevan protests proceed depends in part on the state's response. Foreign diplomats expressed concern over how police detained journalists Tuesday morning, while angry protesters were likely galvanized by the use of violence and water cannons to quell and disperse the crowd.

Yerevan police seemed to be restraining themselves Tuesday night. Deputy police chief Valery Osipyan frequently warned protesters to control potential "provocateurs" who might start a confrontation, but he never called out the water cannons.

What happens next will depend on whether interest groups seize the moment created by the demonstrations.

Some Armenian opposition politicians supported the protesters Tuesday. Activists in Russia and Ukraine also cheered the rallies via social media, lauding them as the next generation of demonstrators against Russian President Vladimir Putin's post­-Soviet order.

Some Russian media reports seemed to support that view, citing experts warning that the "hands of the USA" were behind the Armenian protests, which had the makings of a "color revolution."

But the demonstrations largely avoided any overt political message about aligning with the East vs. the West, and most anti-Russian vitriol was reserved for Yevgeny Bibin, the chief executive of the electricity company instituting the price increases

Johnny Canuck, 6/25/2015 4:27 PM EDT

Take at look inside the real Russia outside the Kremlin region. This is what you will find.

The Kremlin needs money so they, like the USSR they will use whatever means are available to get funds into the Kremlin's Treasury.

According to data gathered by Bloomberg, the Kremlin has sufficient funds to keep the government budget and financial system relatively stable through 2015. However disagreements over future government spending will continue to divide Russia's elite.

This year Moscow will have to pay $52.9 billion to the Pension Fund of Russia to cover the shortfall.

Evidence shows that the government has taken $12.5 billion from the fund, using it for projects such as the construction of the Yamal liquefied natural gas facility and for economic development of Crimea.

Rosneft, has proposed that the government use the fund to extend credit to replace the company's Western financing, most of which has been cut off because of sanctions.

Throughout 2015 the Russian Government had numerous discussions, as Russia needs to resolve strong disagreements within its political elite over issues affecting important areas, such as pensions, raising the retirement age from 55 to 65, the defense sector, large firms and regional government spending on medical care, education and infrastructure.

Russia can draw from the total $508 billion in Reserves, that according to the IMF it stockpiled since 2000. So far this year it had drawn down $100 billion from its Reserve Fund.

Johnny Canuck, 6/25/2015 4:25 PM EDT

In the opinion many insiders, the current Kremlin debates have intensified over specific government spending on issues such as taxes, pension, retirement age, defense spending and medical and education expenses. Like most political disagreements between insiders over the divisions of budgets on spending – Putin and his loyal buddies, financial experts and the Federal Security Service – can switch their loyalties in response to both political and economic circumstances.

Russia's total spending on its military budgets, which includes not only Interior Military Forces but also all military spending, which is more that 45% of its GDP. The Kremlin must now face cuts in spending for the new T-14 Armata tank, defense spending on military exercises along its borders and naval shipbuilding and its space program.

Russia's regional governments are demanding that more regional revenues stay in the regions. Only 37 percent of the income generated in any given region is required to stay in each region, with the rest going to the federal budget. However the central government never returns more than 20 percent. Over the past 25 years these shortfalls have accumulated into 100 trillion rubbles, which negatively impacted regional health care, education and infrastructure needs. Low wages have forced households into more barter trading for survival.

The Kremlin knows that regional stability is crucial to the stability of the federal government and the Russian Federation as a whole. The last thing that the Federal Government needs is regional insurrections. This has many Putin supporters worried.

Axel Rea, 6/25/2015 9:30 AM EDT

hey washington post why you start the article with the word "Moscow", this is about the Armenia. If you do not have the sufficient knowledge please do not write the article. Armenia is a sovereign country, it dose not even have any border with russia.

LeonVav, 6/24/2015 6:03 AM EDT

A group of people on capital's street and THE WHOLE COUNTRY IS UNSTABLE NOW. That's silly. Maybe they're unsatisfied with what their politicians do, but why to tack Russia on this? It's Putin who refuses to give them free electricity? He is guilty again?

nanari123, 6/23/2015 9:39 PM EDT

I just don't like it when western media looks at everything wearing this black and white glasses. This is really not about Russia vs US or EU, Armenia's foreign policy has always been the most balanced in the entire post soviet region. Officially it is against the electricity price hike, but in reality, people are trying to show their dissatisfaction with politicians and especially the ruling republican party which has failed to fix the economy as a result of mismanagement and corruption. People there really don't give a hoot about Putin or Obama.

ANTIPINDOS, 6/23/2015 8:58 PM EDT

Armenians what are you doing?
Doesn't allow to manipulate itself
You want to repeat a mistake of Ukraine?
The USA prepare orange revolution against you

[Jun 28, 2015] John McCain The Russia-Ukraine cease-fire is a fiction

Looks like there was no US war or color revolution Senator McCain did not like. Doe he tries to position himself to the right of Dick Cheney ;-), I like his statement that "might does not make right":
"...We face the reality of a challenge that many assumed was resigned to the history books: a strong, militarily capable state that is hostile to our interests and our values and seeks to overturn the rules-based international order that American leaders of both parties have sought to maintain since World War II. Among the core principles of that order is the conviction that might does not make right, that the strong should not be allowed to dominate the weak and that wars of aggression should be relegated to the bloody past. "
What a bloody hypocrite he is... He probably forgot Vietnam, Chili, Nicaragua, Panama, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and Syria military adventures due to old age senility. And it was actually State Department and personally Victoria Nuland of "nulnadgate (aka F*ck EU") fame, who was the key instigator of civil war in Ukraine. So this is a classic "The pot calling the kettle black" situation.
Jun 28, 2015 | The Washington Post

Last weekend, I traveled with Sens. John Barrasso (R-Wyo.) and Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) to eastern Ukraine to meet with the courageous men and women fighting there for their country's freedom and future. I arrived on a solemn day as Ukrainian volunteers grieved the loss of two young comrades killed by Russian artillery the day before. They had lost another comrade a few days before that, and four more the previous week. Their message to me was clear: The cease-fire with Russia is fiction, and U.S. assistance is vital to deterring further Russian aggression.

Along the front lines, separatist forces backed by Russia violate the cease-fire every day with heavy artillery barrages and tank attacks. Gunbattles are a daily routine, and communities at the front bear the brunt of constant sniper fire and nightly skirmishes.

Yet while these low-level cease-fire violations have occurred regularly since the Minsk agreement was signed in February, Ukrainian battalion commanders said the number of Grad rocket strikes and incidents of intense artillery shelling are increasing. Their reports suggest that the separatists have moved their heavy weapons and equipment back to the front lines hoping to escalate the situation. So far, Ukrainian armed forces supported by volunteer battalions have been able to hold their ground, and they have done so largely without the support of Ukrainian artillery and tanks that have been pulled back from the front as stipulated by the Minsk agreement. How long can we expect these brave Ukrainians to abide by an agreement that Russia has clearly ignored?

It is time that the United States and our European allies recognize the failure of the Minsk agreement and respond with more than empty rhetoric. Ukraine's leaders describe Russian President Vladimir Putin's strategy as a game of "Pac-Man" - taking bite after bite out of Ukraine in small enough portions that it does not trigger a large-scale international response. But at this point it should be clear to all that Putin does not want a diplomatic solution to the conflict. He wants to dominate Ukraine, along with Russia's other neighbors.

No one in the West wants a return to the Cold War. But we must recognize that we are confronting a Russian ruler who seeks exactly that. It is time for U.S. strategy to adjust to the reality of a revanchist Russia with a modernized military that is willing to use force not as a last resort, but as a primary tool to achieve its neo-imperial objectives. We must do more to deter Russia by increasing the military costs of its aggression, starting with the immediate provision of the defensive weapons and other assistance the Ukrainians desperately need.

President Obama has wrongly argued that providing Ukraine with the assistance and equipment it needs to defend itself would only provoke Russia. Putin needed no provocation to invade Ukraine and annex Crimea. Rather, it is the weakness of the collective U.S. and European response that provokes the very aggression we seek to avoid. Of course, there is no military solution in Ukraine, but there is a clear military dimension to achieving a political solution. If Ukrainians are given the assistance they need and the military cost is raised for the Russian forces that have invaded their country, Putin will be forced to determine how long he can sustain a war he tells his people is not happening.

I urge anyone who sees Ukraine's fight against a more advanced Russian military as hopeless to travel to meet those fighting and dying to protect their homeland. These men and women have not backed down, and they will continue to fight for their country with or without the U.S. support they need and deserve.

During my trip, the Ukrainians never asked for the United States to send troops to do their fighting. Ukrainians only hope that the United States will once again open the arsenal of democracy that has allowed free people to defend themselves so many times before.

How we respond to Putin's brazen aggression will have repercussions far beyond Ukraine. We face the reality of a challenge that many assumed was resigned to the history books: a strong, militarily capable state that is hostile to our interests and our values and seeks to overturn the rules-based international order that American leaders of both parties have sought to maintain since World War II. Among the core principles of that order is the conviction that might does not make right, that the strong should not be allowed to dominate the weak and that wars of aggression should be relegated to the bloody past.

Around the world, friend and foe alike are watching to see whether the United States will once again summon its power and influence to defend the international system that has kept the peace for decades. We must not fail this test.

[Jun 27, 2015] Primakov Would Have Run Russia as Putin Has by Leonid Bershidsky

Jun 26, 2015 | bloombergview.com

Former Russian Prime Minister Yevgeny Primakov, who died Friday, was once Vladimir Putin's most credible rival for the Russian presidency. Had he won, Russia probably would have embarked on its anti-Western course even earlier. His story demonstrates the inevitability of that swing after Boris Yeltsin gave up power in the last minutes of 1999.

QuickTake Vladimir Putin

Primakov had a distinguished career as a Soviet academic specializing in the Middle East. By the time the Soviet Union collpased, he ran an important foreign policy research institute, was a top functionary at the Academy of Sciences and a top adviser to President Mikhail Gorbachev. In the summer of 1991, a coup hatched by the KGB temporarily toppled Gorbachev. When he came back, the last Soviet leader attempted to clean up the omnipresent security services by appointing civilian loyalists to top positions. Primakov was tapped to run the foreign intelligence part of the organization, the first civilian to hold the job.

Less than four months after his appointment, the Soviet Union was dissolved. Almost immediately after taking over at the Kremlin, Yeltsin broke up the KGB. After some hesitation, he kept Primakov on as boss of the newly formed Foreign Intelligence Service, known by the Russian acronym SVR. The academic quickly earned the respect of intelligence professionals by keeping on all the key people and hardly ever pulling rank -- and, not least, by refusing the general's rank that came with the post.

He lasted four years at the SVR, but he left his mark on the largely unreformed, though somewhat downsized, organization. In 1993, on his watch, SVR published a white paper, "The Prospects of NATO Expansion and Russia's Interests," one of the first documents to reflect Russia's emerging preoccupation with the U.S.'s perceived desire to marginalize it. The intelligence service bombarded Yeltsin with similar classified reports. The Russian president, however, considered Western leaders as allies through most of his first term.

As the 1996 presidential election drew closer, though, Yeltsin was no longer so sure. Being friendly with the West didn't translate into any particular benefits for Russia. Yeltsin was ready to fire pro-Western Foreign Minister Andrei Kozyrev, and offered Primakov his job. Once in the position, the former intelligence boss made no secret of his sympathies: He set about re-establishing ties with the Soviet Union's longtime allies in the Arab world, such as Syria and Saddam Hussein's Iraq. He made no attempt to hide his support for Slobodan Milosevic's Serbia, opposing the U.S. every inch of the way on the independence of Kosovo. "Could one say Primakov was anti-American?" Leonid Mlechin wrote in a biography of Primakov. "It would be more precise to say that the United States' prosperity, luck and assertiveness unconsciously irritated him."

In part under Primakov's influence, Yeltsin, too, began to stress the need for a "multipolar world" -- a phrase Putin now uses when he talks about the need to curb U.S. dominance.

Yeltsin respected Primakov enough to install him as prime minister after Russia defaulted on its debt in 1998. That didn't work out too well, though: Primakov clashed with Yeltsin's family, which, together with the oligarchs Boris Berezovsky and Roman Abramovich, was trying to run the country as a private fiefdom while Yeltsin had lengthening hospital stays. Primakov's attempts to introduce more government control along familiar Soviet lines irritated Berezovsky, and investigations initiated at Primakov's behest directly threatened the oligarch. In May 1999, Yeltsin fired Primakov, but not before the prime minister, who was flying to Washington to meet with International Monetary Fund officials, ordered his plane to turn back after learning the U.S. had started bombing Serbia.

The abrupt firing angered Primakov, and he decided to enter politics. He formed a party with then-Moscow Mayor Yury Luzhkov for the 1999 parliamentary elections. Berezovsky and the Yeltsin family collaborated to thwart him. For example, the oligarch's TV channel, which had the biggest audience in Russia, aired footage of 70-year-old Primakov undergoing leg surgery -- an image intended to suggest that the former intelligence chief was old and infirm. The general message was that Primakov was a Communist sympathizer who would take Russia back to a Soviet-style planned economy and an isolationist foreign policy.

Ironically, the men portrayed as the modern, dynamic alternative were Putin and Sergei Shoigu, now Putin's defense minister. Primakov's party, Fatherland -- All Russia, lost to their Unity party. After Primakov gave up the idea of running for president, the parties merged, and Yeltsin resigned, bequeathing Russia to Putin.

This did Berezovsky little good: Soon enough, he was in exile, plotting Putin's overthrow. Yeltsin's wealthy relatives and Abramovich, however, escaped persecution because they bowed to Putin.

The new president was only 47, and he initially appeared much more progressive and pro-Western: He even talked about the possibility of Russia joining NATO. By his second presidential term, however, Putin was channeling Primakov: vowing to strengthen state control of the economy and setting himself up as a staunch opponent of U.S. expansionism.

Here's a little test: Does the following quote belong to Putin or Primakov?

Russia approaches universal human values such as democracy by its own road, taking into account its traditions, history, the multiethnic character of the state, its geographic position. Like many othwer countries, it doesn't accept the groundless, abstract foreign instructions, and it won't have any societal or government models imposed on it.

(It's from Primakov's 2009 book titled "A World Without Russia," but it could have been from any of a dozen Putin policy speeches).

In 1999, when Yeltsin's succession was being decided, Primakov could have prevailed, had he been feistier and more willing to take on Berezovsky's media. By 2015, however, Russia's battle lines, and probably its economy, would have been in the same place as they are now. This outcome is not related to Putin's personality, and not even about his foreign intelligence background and the common origins of his and Primakov's worldview. Someone with that ideology was destined to run Russia after Yeltsin. The country's expectations of friendship with the West remained unrealized, and nostalgia for the Soviet Union's might prevailed.

Primakov died at 85. Putin is only 62. His victory in 1999 ensured that Russia would stay its current course much longer than Primakov could promise.

[Jun 27, 2015]U.S. Pushes Russia Towards War

"..."The United States has intervened in too many countries without paying a high enough price.""
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"...A recent New York Times editorial with the grandiose title, "The Fantasy Mr. Putin is Selling," claimed that president Putin has a "willingness to brandish nuclear weapons." There was no mention of America's unilateral withdrawal from the Anti-Ballistic Missile treaty in 2002. "
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"...The Obama administration is in the process of killing the Minsk accords which were shepherded by France and Germany. This is the only process which can defang the beast, and that is why it is being sabotaged. The United States has intervened in too many countries without paying a high enough price. It is like a serial criminal who remains at large and thus thinks of himself as invincible. This county is responsible for carnage in Afghanistan, Iraq, Haiti, Somalia, Yemen, and Syria and that is the list of victims only since 2001."
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"...Not only does the United States have the most and the biggest guns but it has the corporate media at its disposal, parroting every word as if they were gospel truth. "
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"...The process of marginalizing Russia began as soon as the Soviet Union collapsed."
June 26, 2015 | Information Clearing House

"The United States has intervened in too many countries without paying a high enough price."

"Information Clearing House" - "BAR" - This columnist recently said that "Russia Wins" in its handling of America's attempt to eviscerate its influence and its economy. At the time those words were written Secretary of State John Kerry met with Vladimir Putin in Sochi, Russia. The meeting appeared to be an admission that the imperial power grab was not working out as Washington hoped. Among other things, Kerry was concerned that the Ukrainian tail was starting to wag the American dog.
In a public statement he warned Ukrainian president Poroshenko, who threatened to retake Crimea and the Donbass. "We would strongly urge him to think twice not to engage in that kind of activity, that that would put Minsk [accords] in serious jeopardy. And we would be very, very concerned about what the consequences of that kind of action at this time may be." Barack Obama promptly tossed Kerry under the bus upon his return home.

Kerry's subordinate Victoria Nuland and the United Nations ambassador Samantha Power repeated the very words that Kerry warned against and contradicted everything he said. Power went to Kiev to sing the praises of the Ukrainians in person. She didn't have to mention Kerry by name, her presence alone said that he and any talk of diplomacy were on the outs. Of course the meeting between Kerry and Putin had to have been approved by president Obama, but just one month later it appears to have been a figment of the world's imagination.

"Russia has every right to arm its own territory."

In the battle to stay on top of the world and remain in control of it, Washington inevitably lurches back and forth in its policy decision making. Now they and their scribes in corporate media have settled back into comfortable territory, simultaneously vilifying the Russian government and endlessly repeating anti-Russian propaganda.

A recent New York Times editorial with the grandiose title, "The Fantasy Mr. Putin is Selling," claimed that president Putin has a "willingness to brandish nuclear weapons." There was no mention of America's unilateral withdrawal from the Anti-Ballistic Missile treaty in 2002. Not content to tell one lie the Times then criticized Putin for "aggressive behavior, including pouring troops and weapons into Kaliningrad, a Russian city located between NATO members Lithuania and Poland." Of course, Russia has every right to arm its own territory. The Times also neglected to mention that the American military are positioning weapons and holding training exercises in Ukraine, Poland, Romania and the Baltic states that border Russia. It seems that those provocations are not deemed worthy of mention.

The New York Times and its counterparts always play this role. They cozy up to president Obama as they have with all his predecessors and support any and all of their mischief. Far from being a voice of information for the public, they do the bidding of the powerful and are accessories to their crimes.

"Antagonizing Russia is riskier than paying jihadists to take over Libya."

The Obama administration is in the process of killing the Minsk accords which were shepherded by France and Germany. This is the only process which can defang the beast, and that is why it is being sabotaged. The United States has intervened in too many countries without paying a high enough price. It is like a serial criminal who remains at large and thus thinks of himself as invincible. This county is responsible for carnage in Afghanistan, Iraq, Haiti, Somalia, Yemen, and Syria and that is the list of victims only since 2001.

One has to ask where and when the straw will break the camel's back. American military power has allowed it to run rough shod over humanity, but antagonizing Russia is riskier than paying jihadists to take over Libya.

Not only does the United States have the most and the biggest guns but it has the corporate media at its disposal, parroting every word as if they were gospel truth. Americans who think of themselves as well informed will be in for a shock if Moldova turns out to be the flash point for open warfare that was instigated by their government.

"Russia will never be beholden to America."

Everyone knows that an assassination in Sarajevo in 1914 pushed the world into war. In 2015 the signs are ominous that something terrible may happen because of an incident in Transnistria or Donetsk or some other locale Americans know nothing about.

The process of marginalizing Russia began as soon as the Soviet Union collapsed. While the Warsaw Pact disbanded, NATO grew at Russia's expense. But Russia will never be beholden to America. There is no puppet they can place in the Kremlin. These fantasies have put the world on the brink.

Obama and his friends in NATO may not want to start a war but they may get one all the same. Of course the president is concerned about his legacy. He ought to be. If he continues as he has done since 2009, his legacy may be that he was head inmate in the asylum when the last war began.

Margaret Kimberley's Freedom Rider column appears weekly in BAR, and is widely reprinted elsewhere. She maintains a frequently updated blog as well as at http://freedomrider.blogspot.com .

Ms. Kimberley lives in New York City, and can be reached via e-Mail at Margaret.Kimberley(at)BlackAgendaReport.com

[Jun 27, 2015] Obama's Anti-Russia Policy Escalates DoD Tells Congress Nukes Are Still On The Table

Jun 15, 2015 | Zero Hedge
Submitted by Justin Raimondo via AntiWar.com,

The War Party is a veritable propaganda machine, churning out product 24/7. Armed with nearly unlimited resources, both from government(s) and the private sector, they carpet-bomb the public with an endless stream of lies in order to soften them up when it's time to roll. In the past, their job has been relatively easy: simply order up a few atrocity stories – Germans bayoneting babies, Iraqis dumping over babies in incubators – and we've got ourselves another glorious war. These days, however, over a decade of constant warfare – and a long string of War Party fabrications – has left the public leery.

And that's cause for optimism. People are waking up. The War Party's propaganda machine has to work overtime in order to overcome rising skepticism, and it shows signs of overheating – and, in some instances, even breaking down.

One encouraging sign is that the Ukrainian neo-Nazis have lost their US government funding …

In a blow to the "let's arm Ukraine" movement that seemed to be picking up steam in Congress, a resolution introduced by Rep. John Conyers (D-Michigan) and Rep. Ted Yoho (R-Florida) banning aid to Ukraine's Azov Battalion, and forbidding shipments of MANPAD anti-aircraft missiles to the region, passed the House unanimously.

This is significant because, up until this point, there has been no recognition in Washington that the supposedly "pro-democracy" regime in Kiev contains a dangerously influential neo-Nazi element.

As I reported early on, Ukraine's ultra-nationalists – who openly utilize wartime Nazi symbols and regalia, and valorize Stepan Bandera, the anti-Soviet guerrilla leader who collaborated with the Third Reich – were the muscle behind the movement that pushed democratically elected President Viktor Yanukovich out of power. With the rebellion in the east, the paramilitary militias of the far right have been officially incorporated into the Ukrainian army: Dmytro Yorash, the leader of Right Sector and a member of parliament, is an aide to Viktor Muzhenko, the supreme commander of the Ukrainian military, and Right Sector – an openly neo-Nazi organization – has been officially integrated into the armed forces.

The Conyers-Yoho amendment won't stop Ukraine's neo-Nazis from feeding at the US-provided trough, but, hey, it's the thought that counts. They'll just abandon their independent existence and blend into the official military, effectively going underground, just as they did in the last Ukrainian elections, where fascists like Yarosh won a seat in the parliament with the tacit support of the "mainstream" parties, which withdrew their candidates in his district: Adriy Biletsky, commander of the Azov Battalion, enjoyed a similar advantage. Open fascists hold prominent positions in the Ukrainian government, the military, and the police.

Vadim Troyan, the deputy leader of the Azov Battalion, is now the regional chief of the Kiev district police, and fascists have the run of the city. The perpetrators of an arson fire at a Kiev theater that sponsored a gay film festival were charged with "disturbing the peace" and let off with a light sentence – and the theater was held responsible for not providing enough security! "I think the government prosecutor and those who are prosecuted are playing for the same team," says one activist, and this is quite true: the fascists permeate the Kiev regime from top to bottom. When gay activists announced a Gay Pride march, the Mayor of Kiev said he couldn't – or wouldn't – guarantee their safety and asked them to cancel it. What was an open invitation to violent thugs was accepted when dozens of Right Sector stormtroopers attacked the procession, which ended the event after thirty bloody minutes.

As the Kiev regime shows its true colors, its most fervent backers are forced to acknowledge its shortcomings. Yes, even our UN Ambassador, Samantha "responsibility to protect" Power …

In a recent speech delivered in Kiev, Ambassador Power made oblique reference to the embarrassing slip ups on the part of our sock puppets in Kiev, gently scolding them to be more … discreet. Citing Abraham Lincoln, she urged Ukrainians to listen to "the better angels of our nature," and averred that "Ukraine is stronger" when it does so:

"It means that Ukraine should zealously protect freedom of the press, including for its most outspoken and biased critics – indeed, especially for its most outspoken and biased critics – even as the so-called separatists expel journalists from the territory they control, and even as Russia shutters Tatar media outlets in occupied Crimea. It means that politicians and police across the country should recognize how crucial it is that people be able to march to demand respect for LGBT rights and the rights of other vulnerable groups without fear of being attacked."

Citing Lincoln while calling for press freedom is a bit problematic – Abe shut down "treasonous" newspapers and jailed his more vociferous critics, but, hey, Power probably figured the Ukrainians aren't up on the details of Civil War history, so what the heck. As the US continues to pump money – and weaponry – into the country, they'll listen politely to Power's lectures, and laugh all the way to the bank.

Amid all the publicity given to ISIS and the rise of its "caliphate," the volatile condition of the Balkans has remained in the shadows. Yet the US, while sending only a few hundred "advisors" to Iraq, is sending a huge shipment of tanks and other heavy weaponry to nearly every country in Eastern Europe – enough to equip 5,000 American troops.

Ostensibly proposed in response to a nonexistent Russian "threat" to invade its Baltic neighbors, and/or Ukraine, this represents a significant escalation of the new cold war. And if the tanks are already on the ground, you can bet the troops won't be long in coming. As NATO James Stavridis put it: "It provides a reasonable level of reassurance to jittery allies, although nothing is as good as troops stationed full-time on the ground, of course."

And we aren't just talking about troops here: the Pentagon is also considering stationing nuclear missiles alongside them.

The US is playing a dangerous game of nuclear brinkmanship. Robert Scher, undersecretary of defense, has even floated the idea of a nuclear first strike against Russia. Claiming that Russia has violated the INF Treaty by testing a banned ground-launched cruise missile, Scher laid out possible options in testimony before Congress:

"Robert Scher, assistant secretary of defence for strategy, plans and capabilities, told politicians in April that one option could be to beef up defenses of potential targets of the Russian cruise missile.

"A second option could 'look at how we could go about and actually attack that missile where it is in Russia,' Scher said.

"And a third option would be 'to look at what things we can hold at risk within Russia itself,' Scher said.

"His comments appeared to signal employing forces to strike at other Russian military targets - apart from the missiles that allegedly violate the INF accord.

"Brian McKeon, deputy undersecretary of defense for policy, told politicians in December that the United States could consider putting ground-launched cruise missiles in Europe. Such weapons are banned under the INF treaty."

Yes, that's how crazy the warlords of Washington are: in their demented calculus, nuclear war is just another "option."

And if that isn't the definitive argument for regime-change in Washington, then I don't know what is.

[Jun 26, 2015] Can Pepsi, Coke -- Russian MP asks govt to ban US sodas as counter-sanction measure

"...Last August the Communist Party asked the government to impose sanctions on tobacco, alcohol and carbonated drinks from all countries that support sanctions against Russia, saying that such move would be in the interests of national security. "
Jun 26, 2015 | RT Russian politics

The head of Russia's Party of Pensioners is urging sanctions against the Coca-Cola and PepsiCo claiming the soda giants are major sponsors of anti-Russian politicians in US and that the move would boost domestic producers of soft drinks.

"In support of the president's and government's actions regarding the countersanctions we suggest restricting imports of products made by the Coca-Cola and PepsiCo companies that are the main sponsors of respectively the Republican and Democratic parties of the United States, the active supporters of prolonged sanctions against the Russian Federation," Igor Zotov wrote in a letter to the Russian prime minister, quoted by the Izvestia daily.

Zotov, an MP in the State Duma representing the Fair Russia Party, noted that according to the information received from open sources the US soda is extremely harmful for human health and therefore its imports are very damaging for the health of the Russian nation.

He added that under the ongoing import-replacement program it would be logical to legislatively oblige all soft drink producers selling their products within Russia to use only Russian-made ingredients certified by Russian state agencies. Under this condition, the US soda makers could continue their presence on the Russian markets, Zotov wrote in the letter.

The last suggestion drew bewildered comment from the head of the Union of Soft Drink Producers, Dmitry Petrov, who told Izvestia that Coke and Pepsi sold in Russia were made from Russian water and sugar, but the main flavor came from imported concentrates with a secret composition.

Petrov added that the ban could lead to a deficit of soft drinks in Russia because Coke and Pepsi together sold about 40 percent of products on this market. Another negative effect would be a decrease in tax revenue and a hike in unemployment, the lobbyist said.


According to Russian commercial database SPARK the overall revenue of Coca-Cola's Russian branch was 67 billion rubles in 2013 and the company paid 404 million rubles in income tax from this sum ($1.2 billion and 7.34 million respectively at current rate). The figures for PepsiCo's Russian branch are 80 billion and 158 million rubles ($1.45 billion and $2.87 million at current rate). Coca-Cola employs 11,000 workers in Russia and PepsiCo employs 23,000.

PepsiCo entered the Russian markets much earlier than Coca-Cola – in 1971, back in Soviet times. The drinks produced by this company were scarce at first, but gained more popularity as production was increased ahead of the 1980 Moscow Olympics. After the fall of Communism, PepsiCo's advertising slogan 'Generation Pepsi' became so well-known it became eponymous with young people who had not got the taste for the Socialist lifestyle.

Coca-Cola first came to Russia before the 1980 Olympics but only produced and sold its orange drink Fanta until the Perestroika years under Gorbachev in the late-80s.

This is not the first time foreign soda producers have been the target of Russian politicians. Last August the Communist Party asked the government to impose sanctions on tobacco, alcohol and carbonated drinks from all countries that support sanctions against Russia, saying that such move would be in the interests of national security. Before that the Communists had sought an additional tax on sugar-containing drinks quoting concern over national health.

[Jun 25, 2015] Putins protection of compatriots problem

"...They would have conquered a large, desperately poor country for which they would have assumed responsibility, conveniently identifying Russia as the international pariah the west paints it into the bargain."
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"...I have agreed any number of times that it was a mistake for Putin to say that Russia would protect Russian-speakers, and he acknowledged it was a mistake by asking the Duma to revoke the authority to use the Russian military to do so in hope that it would avert violence."
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"...i think part of the problem is that the fate, even the lives of those in the northern hemisphere, could be decided by how the us vs russia standoff is resolved. both an article at the saker that i believe i linked here once (http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2014/12/is-russia-ideal-enemy-for-western.html) and one at fortruss (http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/03/the-end-of-history-third-way-and.html) deal with the underlying dynamic succinctly. big war is on the menu and only the elites want it."
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"...How pissed off the engineers of the "western " strategy must be to have their expectations re Russian responses to having their latest Baldrick like "cunning plans" confounded time and again. "
Jun 25, 2015 | marknesop.wordpress.com

karl1haushofer , June 23, 2015 at 1:31 pm

Putin's childhood friend (at least he claims to be one) who now lives in Gorlovka says that Putin is a traitor and has abandoned eastern Ukrainians.

Reply

karl1haushofer says:

June 23, 2015 at 1:50 pm

What he says is that
– He used to still like Putin a year ago and most of the Donbass residents considered Putin as a "god" a year ago.
– Now all of this has changed. Donbass people are cursing Putin at the moment. Putin provoked a war in Donbass as a cover for his Crimean operation.
– Putin's "loud promises" (Russian parliament authorized Putin to use military force in Ukraine in the spring of 2014) encouraged Donbass residents to an armed rebellion but Putin never delivered his promises and in fact the law of using military force in Ukraine was withdrawn after Crimea was securely with Russia.. Donbass people were simply used as a cannon fodder to secure Crimea for Russia.
– Every morning the Donbass people wake up hoping that Russia has finally started sendings its troops to Donbass (as was promised in the spring of 2014) but it is never going to happen. People of Donbass have finally realized this and now "they spit when they even hear a word Russia".
– Russia has betrayed Donbass. In a year Russia's rhetoric has changed dramatically. A year ago Russia was saying that Russia will never abandon their compatriots. They will be protected. Now Russia is just silent and says nothing as Kiev bombards Donbass.

He may be fake but I think he sounds sincere in this video. And I share his thoughts. I think Donbass was used as a cover to make the West "forget" about Crimea. Crimea was all that Russia ever wanted and Donbass people were made out to be the fools who spilled their blood for Russian ambitions in Crimea.

This is why I think Donbass should now surrender to Kiev. Not because it is a honorable thing to do. Not because I like the Kiev junta (I hate them). It needs to be done to teach Russia a lesson. Russia did the dishonorable thing for the Donbass people and this is why Donetsk should host a NATO military base.

marknesop , June 23, 2015 at 2:28 pm

I realize this is a popular theme for you, that Putin should place himself at the head of the Russian army and lead them in a lunge for Kiev – one which would unquestionably succeed, as all of Ukraine would fall to the Russians in a week if they chose to take it. But then what? They would have conquered a large, desperately poor country for which they would have assumed responsibility, conveniently identifying Russia as the international pariah the west paints it into the bargain.

I have agreed any number of times that it was a mistake for Putin to say that Russia would protect Russian-speakers, and he acknowledged it was a mistake by asking the Duma to revoke the authority to use the Russian military to do so in hope that it would avert violence. But who, really, could have foreseen that not only would the Ukrainian state use its military to butcher and slaughter civilians in a determined effort to force their servitude to the state, but that the western world – supposed sympathetic defender of rebel movements and unilateral declarations of independence, let freedom ring, bla, bla – would stand quietly by and make no effort to stop it. Moreover, would encourage it.

Your solution would punish the Donbas and reward the junta with success, and at the same time blame Putin for causing the whole thing in the first place. Elegant. It is not Russia's fault that Ukrainians are slaughtering their brothers next door, and not only is it not Russia's responsibility to stop it, Russia is under strict orders from western leaders not to intervene in any way, shape or form, while every day there are more accusations that Russia is interfering because the Ukrainian army didn't win that day. Yet somehow, your pick for blame in the whole thing is…Russia. Not Kiev, for doing the unthinkable – no! they should be rewarded with capitulation. Not the west for encouraging the continued slaughter, in which they have to make up crazy stories that Putin is burning his thousands of dead soldiers in mobile crematoriums to cover the fact that no Russian dead have been found and the greatest proportion of casualties are civilians, many of them women and children. No; it's Russia's fault, for not launching an armed intervention to put right a wrong Russia had no part in causing, in the process risking the destruction of the Russian people as a whole.

bolasete, June 23, 2015 at 2:52 pm

i think part of the problem is that the fate, even the lives of those in the northern hemisphere, could be decided by how the us vs russia standoff is resolved. both an article at the saker that i believe i linked here once (http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2014/12/is-russia-ideal-enemy-for-western.html) and one at fortruss (http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/03/the-end-of-history-third-way-and.html) deal with the underlying dynamic succinctly. big war is on the menu and only the elites want it.

marknesop, June 23, 2015 at 5:42 pm

Yes, Washington will happily drive Europe into a disastrous recession in its efforts to have its own way. The best chance of averting something really nasty is in Europe realizing that and refusing to go along.

was reminded of that while reading this counterclaim to Curt's blithe declaration that Russia's reciprocal sanctions were of no consequence and that such a massive economy could easily absorb them.

They're looking at a half-million job losses in Germany alone. I don't think job losses figured in his calculation at all, and he gave some comical figure like $100 Million. This study was not done by the low-trust liars with no credibility because of their Mongol roots, either.

Cortes, June 23, 2015 at 3:05 pm
How pissed off the engineers of the "western " strategy must be to have their expectations re Russian responses to having their latest Baldrick like "cunning plans" confounded time and again.

Almost as if those retard Moskal scions of Mongol/Tatar/random bearers of epicanthic folds and Mongol birthmarks were real human beings. damn their evil souls.

marknesop, June 23, 2015 at 9:59 pm
Oh, I love Blackadder!! Rowan Atkinson is one of the world's few naturally funny people.
yalensis, June 24, 2015 at 2:46 am
Baldrick's cunning plan:

Fern , June 24, 2015 at 5:34 pm
This gentleman – Putin's childhood friend – may be sincere but so what? A lot of people sincerely believe the earth is flat but that doesn't make it so. It simply isn't correct to say that Putin provoked a war in the Donbas to secure Crimea. Does Putin control the Kiev government (I'm using that term loosely) because it was their actions, particularly in Mariupol and Odessa against protestors who'd been mirroring the Maidan – occupying government buildings and so on – which lead to a violent reaction from people in Lugansk and Donetsk. Kiev could have stopped this assault on the East at any time – is it Russia that's been preventing them from doing so?

The Crimeans secured Crimea for Russia so, again, it's simply incorrect to say that people of the Donbas were used as canon-fodder to achieve reunification. We know now that Russia undertook covert opinion polls to determine whether a majority of Crimeans would support re-joining Russia. Personally, I don't believe Russia would have gone ahead if there had not been overwhelming support, it would have been just too difficult with an at best indifferent or, at worse, an actively hostile population. Crimea was secured pretty much without a shot being fired – so why did securing it require Putin to begin a war in the Donbas? The argument makes no sense.

That said, I think Putin can be legitimately be criticised for his apparent promise to protect civilians in the East – this may, indeed, in the early stages of the conflict, have encouraged some people to take up arms. But not now though and not for some considerable time. And we don't know his motives for saying what he did – maybe he thought that fear of provoking a Russian military response would deter Kiev in the way that Georgia has been deterred from military adventures against South Ossetia.

Russia's been providing food, shelter and jobs to a huge number of refugees; its humanitarian aid deliveries are the one thing that's stood between a dire situation for the people of Lugansk and Donetsk and a humanitarian catastrophe on a scale not seen in Europe since WW2. And Russia is not silent about the situation in Ukraine – it's mentioned every time Putin, Lavrov, Churkin and other members of Russia's political elite speak. Russia has always been clear that its preferred solution is for Lugansk and Donetsk to remain part of Ukraine under some sort of federal structure. Putin's never held out the hope of incorporation into Russia or of supporting Novorossiya's path to a new, independent state so cries of 'betrayal' are not warranted.

marknesop , June 24, 2015 at 7:36 pm
We are on completely the same page on this; well said. Speaking of Russian aid and humanitarian crises, has anyone heard any news on the water situation in Lugansk?

[Jun 25, 2015] A primer of Western MSM trolling published

Kulobi , April 15, 2015 at 7:30 pm

A primer of Western MSM trolling published

I noticed that good folks on Flibusta had made this little book available in HTML and a bunch of e-book formats: Marcus S. King, The War Against Putin: What the Government-Media Complex Isn't Telling You About Russia.

http://flibusta.net/b/401092

It's a self-published tome as far as i could see, and is inclined too much towards various conspiracy theories at the expense of proper scholarly analysis. However, as a collection of common tropes and narratives in Western trolldom it's OK.

I'm also delighted that Tsygankov's superb book Russophobia is now available for free here http://bookfi.org/book/1308392

I wish David Foglesong's The American Mission and the 'Evil Empire' had been made readily accessible.


Russophobic trolling has a long historical pedigree indeed.

[Jun 25, 2015]Europe's Enlightened Order

"...The central insight that animated the Congress of Vienna is that order, like liberty, is fragile. It is contingent on political institutions and social norms and cultural prejudices and a hundred other variables that, if undermined, lead to chaos. Order is easy to break, yet hard to build. But if peace depends on it, then a politics grounded in prudence, caution, and realism is necessary. To live through the traumatic experience of state failure-as all of the Congress's authors did, and as many in the Middle East and North Africa do today-is to recognize that, in comparison to the anarchy and chaos of a civil war, order is an enlightened principle too."
Jun 25, 2015 | The American Conservative

...The Congress of Vienna reminds us that not one but two traditions of cosmopolitan thought trace their roots back to the 18th-century Enlightenment. One is a moralizing, militant worldview that seeks peace by toppling despotic regimes in the name of liberty. It supposes that a new world order, underwritten by an enlightened hegemon, can be crafted in the wake of these conquests. This was the dream of the French revolutionaries, of Napoleon, of Woodrow Wilson. And to a large extent, it remains the dream of today's foreign-policy establishment in Washington. In the past few decades America has "liberated," in Napoleon's sense of the term, countries across the Middle East, North Africa, and Eastern Europe. Whether through the hard power of military force (Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya) or the soft power of moral cajoling and economic pressure (Egypt, Syria, Ukraine), our hope has been that regime change will produce stable liberal democracies and lead to peace. But as the litany of failed states in our wake suggests, this approach tends to undermine the very order it seeks to moralize.

The second legacy of Enlightenment, the one witnessed in 1815, is more promising. It recognizes that if peace depends on order and order on stability, then the moralizing power of a hegemon will not of itself lead to a peaceful world. The central insight that animated the Congress of Vienna is that order, like liberty, is fragile. It is contingent on political institutions and social norms and cultural prejudices and a hundred other variables that, if undermined, lead to chaos. Order is easy to break, yet hard to build. But if peace depends on it, then a politics grounded in prudence, caution, and realism is necessary. To live through the traumatic experience of state failure-as all of the Congress's authors did, and as many in the Middle East and North Africa do today-is to recognize that, in comparison to the anarchy and chaos of a civil war, order is an enlightened principle too.

Jonathan Green is a doctoral student at the University of Cambridge.

[Jun 25, 2015] Russia experience in 1991 and Armenian color revolution

Russian neoliberal revolution of 1991 was possible because the current system "of developed socialism" was rotten to the core and elite of the country decided switched sides to find an exist from the dismal economic situation. Moreover communism as an ideology became dead after the WWII and existed in zombie state since then: even "poor" Western countries manage to provide higher standard of living for thier people then Central European countries which were at approximately the same starting level of economic development. Completion in technology was irrevocable lost. Science in the USSR fossilized with real scientists displaced by 'scientific bureaucrats" and ruthless careerists, despite some bright sport (mainly connected with military industrial complex). Backwardness in computer technology was noticeable to everybody. The same with software. Power of the West played the role (drop of oil priced was engineered by Reagan administration; also the USSR got into Afghanistan trap with gentle encouragement of Kissinger and friends) Without that all those attempts by CIA and other Western three letter agencies to distribute money and form fifth column would end with "dissidents" exited and money confiscated. So it was conscious decision of KGB brass that the current system has no chances and the country need to adopt neoliberal model instead. That advantages of socialism over capitalism as an economic system are a myth.

Many complaining about Yerevan color revolution do not understand that we ourselves live in the country of victorious neoliberal color revolution on 1991?

Which day in the media and blogs - the perplexity and dissatisfaction of the Maidan in Armenia. People are annoyed: Why the Armenians do not see that they are manipulated? Then dubious persond like in Kiev are handing out cookies/lovasik. They just sweep the area. Read the Sharp's book( p. 33): "In places of demonstrations you should behave complementary to local residents to be careful and smiling". And the same attempt to play thr dystnfsr color revolution card : "children beaten by police" (as in the photo of the girl from Yerevan).

Still. Some Armenians became blind. Even the local scientist told me that in Yerevan there are hundreds of American NGOs, now blinkered: "That's the people's protest." No American influence, no?.

And were we not eaully blong in 1991? Aren't we now spitting at our own mirror? How many people understand that we live in a country of victorious neoliberal color revolution of 1991?

Then also everything was staged exactly like prescribed in Sharp textbook. Five-year plan the preparation of public consciousness (1985-1991), the decomposition and bribering with hard currency of the ruling class rod (In the USSR "everything is rotten" memo became popular), then a reason. In Armenia the reason could be the increase of tariffs and poverty; in Ukraine - cancel signing something with the EU and instillation of hatred for Russia (instillation of hatred for Russia was their key method of preparation of the public consciousness, the decomposition of will to resist to color revolution)... And in Moscow the was infamous putsch.

Pitiful attempt of the old regime to stop already speeding the train of the collapse of the USSR.

Vasya, you need to strike first

Instantly out of nowhere, "peaceful" barricades near the White house, and grandmothers wore tea, Yes, and machines with pies, and the drugs, and the flowers on the tanks (love bombing, sectarian trick: make friends with the men of law, then they couldn't batons you , plus work on the photo, the frame of Western agencies, textbook Sharpe, p. 56).

And sacred lamps: three boys who perished under the tank tracks....

And gynatic tricolor flags with the length in Manezhnaya square, which were carried at their funeral? Well, nobody asked the question where it came from. Of course, this symbolism was not prepared in advance for us by our forends from the USa State Department.

We chanted: "RA-si-ya! RA-si-ya!", - and let's monument to Dzerzhinsky fell. And Ukrainians are such fools. Those fools tried to push Lenin statues from the postaments. We were smarter then them ;-).

And then American advisers sat on the sixth floor of the Ministry of Finance, and the budget was approved at the IMF. And then agreements on division of production for multinations, when our natural resources were simply given as a present to forein multinatins. And lice started crawling in the grandmother of Yeltsin home, in the village Booth, and all of grandmother's family eat on one grandma's pension, and Yeltsin was shaking hands with the incarnation of Christ Myung moon in the Kremlin, and of the sects became proligic in the the country without any control: "Jesus-us! Appeared to me-e!" (said in a singsong voice, twitching on the stage, the microphone and with an American accent).

Oh... And books with Nazi crosses was freely displayed on the stalls in the center of Moscow, and strormtroopers of RNE were wandering along the streets. Yes exactly like in Ukraine. Please give me pop-corn. Ukraine is just re-incarnation of our ghosts of 90th...

As it is obvious that all color revolution are done with huge support from the foreign powers. Let's remember Lenin in the sealed train... Looks like marriages are made in heaven, but color revolutions are made from the outside. Amen.

...Then, of course, the USA burned with Napalm most of Russian industry in 90s. And only then started forming new anti-Us vertical of power, and the rebuilding of order and the country started in full force, and even later started the defense of our interests in the international arena. which in understanding of puppeteers of color revolutions was counterrevolution. anti-Maydan.

But, frankly, we manage to correct and eliminated not everything that foreign power brought into the country in and stuck us in 1991. "Liberators" managed to burn our territory with the democracy to the extent that it will take for us a half a century or more to recover. Such is the power of one successful color revolution. after one such fire, nothing grows on the ground for a long, long time.

MEANWHILE

Rebels in Yerevan to the correspondent of "KP": "Please say to the Russians that we are not against them"

Yeah they us got! Just got! Raised again the price of electricity - that why people rebelled! 'says the taxi driver who takes me from the airport to the street of Marshal Baghramyan Avenue in Yerevan, where already the fourth day of rioting crowd of about five thousand people. Officially - against rising electricity tariffs. "There's the street blocked off, there you should go (details)

SEE ALSO

When the "electroMaydan" wins, Yerevan will host Makarevich

Our columnist tries to understand the causes of the riots in Armenia (details)

AND HERE WAS A CASE

Paul Craig Roberts: "If Victoria Nuland visited Armenia, then Armenia will have a coup!"

This is how this winter warned the Armenian American journalist, economist, one of the principal architects of the "Reagan economic miracle" (details)

Guest No. 5057, 26.06.2015, 7:01

Well, I remember that articles about how good is that fact that the Soros Foundation reached out and provides the aid to Russia. And how that ended with promotion of prostitution among young girls and lads for boys. In Russian Newspapers by Russian journalists! It is interesting to me still, is they have any moral consciences and is not what they did bothering any of the those Newspapers presstitutes fed by Soros money for feeding people with all this sh**t on the silver spoon?

[Jun 25, 2015] Who is That Trip-Trapping on my Bridge – the Fable of Putin's Troll Army by marknesop

April 11, 2015 | marknesop.wordpress.com

I was thinking, a few days ago, that I might do a post on the bellyaching and caterwauling from the Russophobes about Moscow's supposed army of "paid trolls", who are reimbursed by the Russian government for clogging western comment threads with fallacious arguments and childish insults which detract from – or derail entirely – thoughtful and informative commentary, often ridiculing the post itself into the bargain. As I made my daily round of certain publications, including Russia Insider, I saw that I had been trumped in that intention by the inimitable Patrick Armstrong with "The West Throws a Temper Tantrum". There is no besting Patrick, with his enviable background in Russian affairs, his diplomatic experience and his pungent vocabulary – and even if there were, he references a story by Mark Ames of The eXile fame, who has traced the provenance of the "Russian Trolls" theme and found it to be a recurring wet dream of the Russophobes as far back as 2013.

The Incredible Human Smarm Generator, Max Seddon, England's answer to beefcake magazines (I'm assuming here that he is from England because such an insufferable twit really could not have come from anywhere else, but please correct me if I am wrong and I will have the guilty location pulled down and sown with salt and dragon's teeth) did it back in 2014, basing his breathless report on "Plans attached to emails leaked by a mysterious Russian hacker collective", although the location is the same one as that described in more recent scoops – the Internet Research Center on 55 Savushkina St., St Petersburg. According to Ames' story, Seddon's source and the furthest back we can easily trace the story is – surprise – Novaya Gazeta, The Little Newspaper That Could; employer of the martyred Anna Politkovskaya, circulation about 184,000 copies (many, like The Moscow Times, giveaways in hotels and train stations). Partly owned by Russian oligarch and former KGB agent Alexander Lebedev and former jilted President Mikhail Gorbachev, Novaya Gazeta now distinguishes itself by publishing the hoarse grunting and screaming of Yulia Latynina, who wrote that poor people should not be allowed to vote because they are hungry and will vote for any prospective leader who promises them food, and who caught on before anyone else that the Chel'yabinsk meteorite was a secret government missile test that got away from them. She retracted that story shortly after it was released, but was unrepentant – she was wrong this time, but make no mistake, that did not mean the Kremlin was not up to devilish experiments. Oh, all right; one more. She announced in 2012 that Putin would use distractions in the Middle East to "stage his long-awaited attack on Georgia". There were clear signs of the contingency planning for this, she confided, in another advertisement for the wisdom of wearing a helmet when playing contact sports.

Anyway, now that I have hopefully established for you the provenance – to say nothing of the credibility – of the source of this latest nutty obsession, we don't want to make this about the source. The droll droolery of this unbridled foolishness has been exposed, and done to death.

And yet. I decided to go ahead with it, because there is an entire fundamental in this story that I did not see covered to my satisfaction.

Neoconservative warhag Annie Applebaum was quite wound up with outrage over the Russian troll issue last winter, penning a crie-de-coeur to a democracy in its death throes because of fake, bought-and-paid-for comments on Internet forums. The very bedrock of democracy is cracking, she tells us, because "…[o]nce upon a time, it seemed as if the Internet would be a place of civilized and open debate; now, unedited forums often deteriorate to insult exchanges. Like it or not, this matters: Multiple experiments have shown that perceptions of an article, its writer or its subject can be profoundly shaped by anonymous online commentary, especially if it is harsh. One group of researchers found that rude comments "not only polarized readers, but they often changed a participant's interpretation of the news story itself." A digital analyst at Atlantic Media also discovered that people who read negative comments were more likely to judge that an article was of low quality and, regardless of the content, to doubt the truth of what it stated. "

Oddly enough, she did not speculate on what lying does to the credibility of a story, despite her track record as the kind of from-the-hip liar who lies just to keep in practice even when the truth would serve just as well. Astoundingly, in the very same post, she cites Michael Weiss and Peter Pomerantsev – of the partisan hack journal Interpreter Mag – as competent authorities to "distinguish truth from state-sponsored fiction".

But never mind that for now. Our old friend Catherine Fitzpatrick – also of Interpreter Mag comments in a story for The Atlantic, by Daisy Sindelar; " …trolls inhibit informed debate by using crude dialogue to change "the climate of discussion."If you show up at The Washington Post or New Republic sites, where there's an article that's critical of Russia, and you see that there are 200 comments that sound like they were written by 12-year-olds, then you just don't bother to comment," she says. "

However, that emphasizes a point that everyone seems to be missing: comments which are supportive of Russia's view, but are crudely formatted or in which the commenter appears to struggle with English, especially if they are angry or insulting – are almost never deleted in moderated forums. In fact, such forums appear to deliberately leave them, as punching bags for enthusiastic and righteous rebuttals as well as examples of what unlettered savages and dropout dolts "Kremlin supporters" are, in much the same way a lioness will hamstring a gazelle and leave it for her cubs, so they will learn to kill. Also, such comments rarely inspire the accusation that the commenter is a paid troll – who would pay anyone for such an inept performance?

No, the "paid Putin troll" label is far more commonly awarded to commenters whose native language is English or who are highly competent second-language speakers – and Russians with the language skill of a Leonid Bershidsky or a Vladimir Kara-Murza are rare – and who defend their viewpoint with patient elaboration supported by verifiable references. More often, in moderated forums, such comments (if they contradict the editorial line of the forum) are quickly deleted with a minimum of fuss, before most of the readership can even see them. The Guardian is legendary for deleting anything positive written about Russia in the commentary to its articles, and what remains where it once was is the maddeningly self-righteous message, "This comment was removed by a moderator because it didn't abide by our community standards. Replies may also be deleted. For more detail see our FAQs."

Allow me to offer an instructive example: through the magic of Disqus, I recovered these comments from the Kyiv Post. Mine was marked as "spam" and deleted. See what you think.

Here's the original comment, by an academic bright spark who calls himself Mr. RainbowBotox:

"First of all, around 2008, they quietly changed the law allowing them to use nuclear weapons first. Therefore they will be able to use it first. there is also the so-called "strategic use" of these weapons, if things get worse and they decided to drop one on Talin, Estonia, or any other of these countries, there is no way in which the UK, France or the US are going to respond with nuclear weapons, risking the feared wide scale mutual destruction. Therefore it is a real danger that they can actually use them and believe not be at risk of receiving a similar strike."

Here's my reply, which stayed up no more than an hour before a moderator removed it as spam.

"Is that so? Actually, no; it's not. Russia dropped the no-first-use policy in 1993, and there was nothing sneaky about it at all – what's the sense of changing a policy in private? How does that have any global effect?

http://www.nti.org/country-pro

Analysts at the time speculated the reasoning behind it was not a Russian eagerness for nuclear war, but a policy change which recognized a new role for the nuclear component – deterrence of limited conventional war. The probable reason for that was the steady erosion of Russia's conventional forces, and a need to keep NATO off them until they could regroup. Since 2010 Russia has steadily reduced its reliance on the nuclear deterrent and has drawn down the Strategic Rocket Forces significantly, preferring to beef up the seaborne component.

Anybody who seriously thinks they would nuke one of the Baltic states needs a psychiatric examination, or knows nothing of nuclear weapons. They are too close to Russia, and even though the prevailing winds are generally westerly it is not worth the risk. None of the Baltics would be able to stand against a conventional attack at much less risk. But why? Russia is not remotely interested in subjugating the yappy Baltics, despite what Edward Lucas tells you – when was he ever right about anything? Are they rich, or something? Russia spent more preparing for the Olympics than the GDP of the wealthiest of them."

A little of my reply is opinion, such as where I suggest Russia is not interested in subjugating the Baltics. I don't see any evidence of it, but the Russian government obviously does not consult me on its plans. But most is factual, and supported by references. Mr. RainbowBotox's comment was allowed to remain although it contained factual errors and they were pointed out. It's still there now.

Similar shenanigans go on all the time in The Guardian, and thoughtful comments which appear to be the result of careful research are summarily deleted because they clash with the paper's editorial stance, and because they show up the original commenter as a fool. Some of these authors are simply filtered out after they have had a couple of comments deleted, so that nothing authored by them will be accepted. Occasionally they inspire grudging admiration for the author's command of English – several such were directed at our own Moscow Exile, which made me laugh, because he is as English as the crumpet.

This kind of high-handedness, resulting in a complete inability to have one's opinion heard, are beginning to inspire alternative sites which are not moderated; in The Guardian's case it is mirrored by the brilliant OffGuardian, and there are many other great ones such as Russia Insider, Danielle Ryan's Journalitico and Paul Robinson's Irrusianality. They rarely seem to attract trolls (except for Russia Insider, which does), and on the occasions they show up the comment sections eat them alive.

Just a couple more points before I hand over the floor to you. One, for what it's worth, the "Kandid Konfession" of alleged Russian blogger and former paid Russian troll Marat Burkhard is alleged by this German site to have been a hoax perpetrated by Jürg Vollmer's "Troll Factory" in Frankfurt, allegedly the same outfit that perpetrated the "Gay Girl In Damascus" scam. The west was quite angry to discover the supposed 25-year-old lesbian in Syria was actually a 40-year-old straight man in Edinburgh.

Two; the scenario "Burkhard" describes, in which trolls act in teams of three, makes no sense. According to him, one person provides the original comment, the second plays the "villain" and disagrees with him (ostensibly to provide the appearance of balanced opinion), while the third affirms the rightness of the first person's opinion. He agrees all three sit together, agreeing on who is going to answer who, but then says they do not talk much because everyone is busy.

There's no need for them to talk at all; allegedly, each operator controls ten Twitter accounts; presumably they each also supplied ten fake email addresses to get the accounts. Why would one operator not fulfill all three roles, playing the parts of initial commenter, villain and collaborator? If it is possible to tell that all three were generated by the same individual, so they must do it in teams of three, why would each need ten Twitter accounts?

Three, the exchange the alleged troll defector describes – initial commenter, villain and collaborator – neatly captures just about every comment-forum disagreement ever written. It is therefore easy to characterize any exchange in which the commenter is hammering the editorial policy of the site as having come from a "professional paid troll".

We are being set up. While Applebaum plants the suggestion that you should not read comment forums any more because they are dominated by Russian trolls, Fitzpatrick backs her up that you should just read the article and not pay attention to comments. Applebaum chimes in that research has shown that negative comments can affect your opinion of both the article and its author – far better to just read the article and internalize its truths, rather than confuse yourself. Meanwhile comments in which the author struggles with English and is insulting ("Obama is a monkey, Putin good") are allowed to remain, to serve as an example of how poorly-educated and bigoted Russians are. Anything which argues for fairness and substantiates that Russia is being unfairly criticized, using established and respectable academic or media references, is deleted with some excuse that it is spam, or violates some arbitrary community guidelines.

Once upon a time, not so very long ago, comment forums in English-speaking sources were almost overwhelmingly in support of articles extolling the goodness of westerners and their policy and the evil of the barbarian hordes who dwell between the Baltic and the Sea of Okhotsk. This is so no longer, and articles which try to draw Manichean comparisons have to fly through a cloud of flak. The western ideologues don't like that. Hence, the cloaking device of "Russian trolls". Anyone arguing against stereotyping of Russia, its leader and its policies, who substantiates his or her argument with solid reasoning and historical or contemporary fact, must be paid by the Russian government. Paid to lie, of course, which is why they must get rid of your argument before it dawns on readers that it is true.

Unless, of course, you use all the same devices as a troll – an assumed name, profane and opinionated commentary, statements which assume facts not in evidence – but support the western agenda. Then, it's enough that you say you're not a troll; you "try not to lie (according to your own beliefs, which you do not challenge with research) and nobody's paying you". Then, like "Adolfych" in the Sindelar piece, you can troll to your heart's content and never get anything more negative than "an opinionated mischief-maker". You'll benefit from much the same double standard which calls a Moscow billionaire an "oligarch", and a Kiev billionaire a "tycoon".

You always know you're winning when the other side feels like it has to change the rules.

[Jun 24, 2015] NYT's Orwellian View of Ukraine

"...As the Times has degenerated from a relatively decent newspaper into a fount of neocon propaganda, its editors also have descended into the practice of simply inventing a narrative of events that serves an ideological purpose, its own version of "Two Minutes Hate." "
June 22, 2015 | Consortiumnews

Exclusive: In the up-is-down Orwellian world that is now The New York Times' editorial page, there was no coup in Ukraine in 2014, no U.S.-driven "regime change," no provocation on Russia's border, just Moscow's aggression - a sign of how propaganda has taken over mainstream U.S. media, writes Robert Parry.

By Robert Parry

In George Orwell's 1984, the leaders of Oceania presented "Two Minutes Hate" in which the image of an enemy was put on display and loyal Oceanianians expressed their rage, all the better to prepare them for the country's endless wars and their own surrender of freedom. And, now, in America, you have The New York Times.

Surely the Times is a bit more subtle than the powers-that-be in Orwell's Oceania, but the point is the same. The "paper of record" decides who our rotating foreign enemy is and depicts its leader as a demon corrupting whatever he touches. The rest of us aren't supposed to think for ourselves. We're just supposed to hate.

As the Times has degenerated from a relatively decent newspaper into a fount of neocon propaganda, its editors also have descended into the practice of simply inventing a narrative of events that serves an ideological purpose, its own version of "Two Minutes Hate." Like the leaders of Orwell's Oceania, the Times has become increasingly heavy-handed in its propaganda.

Excluding alternative explanations of events, even if supported by solid evidence, the Times arrogantly creates its own reality and tells us who to hate.

In assessing the Times's downward spiral into this unethical journalism, one could look back on its false reporting regarding Iraq, Iran, Syria or other Middle East hotspots. But now the Times is putting the lives of ourselves, our children and our grandchildren at risk with its reckless reporting on the Ukraine crisis – by setting up an unnecessary confrontation between nuclear-armed powers, the United States and Russia.

At the center of the Times' propaganda on Ukraine has been its uncritical – indeed its anti-journalistic – embrace of the Ukrainians coup-makers in late 2013 and early 2014 as they collaborated with neo-Nazi militias to violently overthrow elected President Viktor Yanukovych and hurl Ukraine into a bloody civil war.

Rather than display journalistic professionalism, the Times' propagandists ignored the evidence of a coup – including an intercepted phone call in which U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs Victoria Nuland and U.S. Ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt discussed how to "mid-wife" the regime change and handpick the new leaders. "Yats is the guy," declared Nuland, referring to Arseniy Yatsenyuk who emerged as prime minister.

The Times even ignored a national security expert, Statfor founder George Friedman, when he termed the ouster of Ukraine's elected president "the most blatant coup in history." The Times just waved a magic wand and pronounced that there was no coup – and anyone who thought so must reside inside "the Russian propaganda bubble." [See Consortiumnews.com's "NYT Still Pretends No Coup in Ukraine."]

Perhaps even more egregiously, the Times has pretended that there were no neo-Nazi militias spearheading the Feb. 22, 2014 coup and then leading the bloody "anti-terrorist operation" against ethnic Russians in the south and east who resisted the coup. The Times explained all this bloodshed as simply "Russian aggression."

It didn't even matter when the U.S. House of Representatives – of all groups – unanimously acknowledged the neo-Nazi problem when it prohibited U.S. collaboration in military training of Ukrainian Nazis. The Times simply expunged the vote from its "official history" of the crisis. [See Consortiumnews.com's "US House Admits Nazi Role in Ukraine."]

Orwell's Putin

Yet, for an Orwellian "Two Minute Hate" to work properly, you need to have a villain whose face you can put on display. And, in the case of Ukraine – at least after Yanukovych was driven from the scene – that villain has been Russian President Vladimir Putin, who embodies all evil in the intense hatred sold to the American public.

So, when Putin presents a narrative of the Ukraine crisis, which notes the history of the U.S.-driven expansion of NATO up to Russia's borders and the evidence of the U.S.-directed Ukrainian coup, the Times editors must dismiss it all as "mythology," as they did in Monday's editorial regarding Putin's remarks to an international economic conference in St. Petersburg.

"President Vladimir Putin of Russia is not veering from the mythology he created to explain away the crisis over Ukraine," the Times' editors wrote. "It is one that wholly blames the West for provoking a new Cold War and insists that international sanctions have not grievously wounded his country's flagging economy."

Without acknowledging any Western guilt in the coup that overthrew the elected Ukrainian government in 2014, the Times' editors simply reveled in the harm that the Obama administration and the European Union have inflicted on Russia's economy for its support of the Yanukovych government and its continued backers in eastern and southern Ukraine.

For nearly a year and a half, the New York Times and other major U.S. news organizations have simply refused to acknowledge the reality of what happened in Ukraine. In the Western fantasy, the elected Yanukovych government simply disappeared and was replaced by a U.S.-backed regime that then treated any resistance to its rule as "terrorism." The new regime even dispatched neo-Nazi militias to kill ethnic Russians and other Ukrainians who resisted and thus were deemed "terrorists."

The upside-down narrative of what happened in Ukraine has become the conventional wisdom in Official Washington and has been imposed on America's European allies as well. According to The New York Times' Orwellian storyline, anyone who notes the reality of a U.S.-backed coup in Ukraine is engaging in "fantasy" and must be some kind of Putin pawn.

To the Times' editors, all the justice is on their side, even as Ukraine's new regime has deployed neo-Nazi militias to kill eastern Ukrainians who resisted the anti-Yanukovych coup. To the Times' editors, the only possible reason to object to Ukraine's new order is that the Russians must be bribing European dissidents to resist the U.S. version of events. The Times wrote:

"The Europeans are indeed divided over the extent to which Russia, with its huge oil and gas resources, should be isolated, but Mr. Putin's aggression so far has ensured their unity when it counts. In addition to extending existing sanctions, the allies have prepared a new round of sanctions that could be imposed if Russian-backed separatists seized more territory in Ukraine. …

"Although Mr. Putin insisted on Friday that Russia had found the 'inner strength' to weather sanctions and a drop in oil prices, investment has slowed, capital has fled the country and the economy has been sliding into recession. Even the business forum was not all that it seemed: The heads of many Western companies stayed away for a second year."

An Orwellian World

In the up-is-down world that has become the New York Times' editorial page, the Western coup-making on Russia's border with the implicit threat of U.S. and NATO nuclear weapons within easy range of Moscow is transformed into a case of "Russian aggression." The Times' editors wrote: "One of the most alarming aspects of the crisis has been Mr. Putin's willingness to brandish nuclear weapons."

Though it would appear objectively that the United States was engaged in serious mischief-making on Russia's border, the Times editors flip it around to make Russian military maneuvers – inside Russia – a sign of aggression against the West.

"Given Mr. Putin's aggressive behavior, including pouring troops and weapons into Kaliningrad, a Russian city located between NATO members Lithuania and Poland, the allies have begun taking their own military steps. In recent months, NATO approved a rapid-reaction force in case an ally needs to be defended. It also pre-positioned some weapons in front-line countries, is rotating troops there and is conducting many more exercises. There are also plans to store battle tanks and other heavy weapons in several Baltic and Eastern European countries.

"If he is not careful, Mr. Putin may end up facing exactly what he has railed against - a NATO more firmly parked on Russia's borders - not because the alliance wanted to go in that direction, but because Russian behavior left it little choice. That is neither in Russia's interest, nor the West's."

There is something truly 1984-ish about reading that kind of propagandistic writing in The New York Times and other Western publications. But it has become the pattern, not the exception.

The Words of the 'Demon'

Though the Times and the rest of the Western media insist on demonizing Putin, we still should hear the Russian president's version of events, as simply a matter of journalistic fairness. Here is how Putin explained the situation to American TV talk show host Charlie Rose on June 19:

"Why did we arrive at the crisis in Ukraine? I am convinced that after the so-called bipolar system ceased to exist, after the Soviet Union was gone from the political map of the world, some of our partners in the West, including and primarily the United States, of course, were in a state of euphoria of sorts. Instead of developing good neighborly relations and partnerships, they began to develop the new geopolitical space that they thought was unoccupied. This, for instance, is what caused the North Atlantic bloc, NATO, to go east, along with many other developments.

"I have been thinking a lot about why this is happening and eventually came to the conclusion that some of our partners [Putin's way of describing Americans] seem to have gotten the illusion that the world order that was created after World War II, with such a global center as the Soviet Union, does not exist anymore, that a vacuum of sorts has developed that needs to be filled quickly.

"I think such an approach is a mistake. This is how we got Iraq, and we know that even today there are people in the United States who think that mistakes were made in Iraq. Many admit that there were mistakes in Iraq, and nevertheless they repeat it all in Libya. Now they got to Ukraine. We did not bring about the crisis in Ukraine. There was no need to support, as I have said many times, the anti-state, anti-constitutional takeover that eventually led to a sharp resistance on the territory of Ukraine, to a civil war in fact.

"Where do we go from here?" Putin asked. "Today we primarily need to comply with all the agreements reached in Minsk, the capital of Belarus. … At the same time, I would like to draw your attention and the attention of all our partners to the fact that we cannot do it unilaterally. We keep hearing the same thing, repeated like a mantra – that Russia should influence the southeast of Ukraine. We are. However, it is impossible to resolve the problem through our influence on the southeast alone.

"There has to be influence on the current official authorities in Kiev, which is something we cannot do. This is a road our Western partners have to take – those in Europe and America. Let us work together. … We believe that to resolve the situation we need to implement the Minsk agreements, as I said. The elements of a political settlement are key here. There are several."

Putin continued: "The first one is constitutional reform, and the Minsk agreements say clearly: to provide autonomy or, as they say decentralization of power, let it be decentralization. This is quite clear, our European partners, France and Germany have spelled it out and we are quite satisfied with it, just as the representatives of Donbass [eastern Ukraine where ethnic Russians who had supported Yanukovych have declared independence] are. This is one component.

"The second thing that has to be done – the law passed earlier on the special status of these territories – Luhansk and Donetsk, the unrecognized republics, should be enacted. It was passed, but still not acted upon. This requires a resolution of the Supreme Rada – the Ukrainian Parliament – which is also covered in the Minsk agreements. Our friends in Kiev have formally complied with this decision, but simultaneously with the passing by the Rada of the resolution to enact the law they amended the law itself … which practically renders the action null and void. This is a mere manipulation, and they have to move from manipulations to real action.

"The third thing is a law on amnesty. It is impossible to have a political dialogue with people who are threatened with criminal persecution. And finally, they need to pass a law on municipal elections on these territories and to have the elections themselves. All this is spelled out in the Minsk agreements, this is something I would like to draw your attention to, and all this should be done with the agreement of Donetsk and Luhansk.

"Unfortunately, we still see no direct dialogue, only some signs of it, but too much time has passed after the Minsk agreements were signed. I repeat, it is important now to have a direct dialogue between Luhansk, Donetsk and Kiev – this is missing."

Also missing is any objective and professional explanation of this crisis in the mainstream American press. Instead, The New York Times and other major U.S. news organizations have continued with their pattern of 1984-ish propaganda.

Investigative reporter Robert Parry broke many of the Iran-Contra stories for The Associated Press and Newsweek in the 1980s. You can buy his latest book, America's Stolen Narrative, either in print here or as an e-book (from Amazon and barnesandnoble.com). You also can order Robert Parry's trilogy on the Bush Family and its connections to various right-wing operatives for only $34. The trilogy includes America's Stolen Narrative. For details on this offer, click here.

Abe

June 22, 2015 at 11:04 pm

we hear ever-shriller charges that Moscow has mounted a dangerous, security-threatening propaganda campaign to destroy the truth-our truth, we can say. It is nothing short of "the weaponization of information," we are provocatively warned. Let us be on notice: Our truth and our air are now as polluted with propaganda as during the Cold War decades, and the only apparent plan is to make it worse.

O.K., let us do what sorting can be done.

[…]

Details. The Times described "Hiding in Plain Sight: Putin's War in Ukraine" as "an independent report." I imagine [New York Times' State Department correspondent Michael] Gordon-he seems to do all the blurry stuff these days-had a straight face when he wrote three paragraphs later that John Herbst, one of the Atlantic Council's authors, is a former ambassador to Ukraine.

I do not know what kind of a face Gordon wore when he reported later on that the Atlantic Council paper rests on research done by Bellingcat.com, "an investigative website." Or when he let Herbst get away with calling Bellingcat, which appears to operate from a third-floor office in Leicester, a city in the English Midlands, "independent researchers."

I wonder, honestly, if correspondents look sad when they write such things-sad their work has come to this.

One, Bellingcat did its work using Google, YouTube and other readily available social media technologies, and this we are supposed to think is the cleverest thing under the sun. Are you kidding?

Manipulating social media "evidence" has been a parlor game in Kiev; Washington; Langley, Virginia, and at NATO since the Ukraine crisis broke open. Look at the graphics included in the presentation. I do not think technical expertise is required to see that these images prove what all others offered as evidence since last year prove: nothing. It looks like the usual hocus-pocus.

Two, examine the Bellingcat web site and try to figure out who runs it. I tried the about page and it was blank. The site consists of badly supported anti-Russian "reports"-no "investigation" aimed in any other direction.

We are the propagandists: The real story about how The New York Times and the White House has turned truth in the Ukraine on its head
By Patrick L. Smith
http://www.salon.com/2015/06/03/we_are_the_propagandists_the_real_story_about_how_the_new_york_times_and_the_white_house_has_turned_truth_in_the_ukraine_on_its_head/

Peter Loeb, June 23, 2015 at 11:36 am
    THANKS TO R PARRY…AGAIN!

    With no substantive points to add to your article I can only mourn that I wish I had written it myself.

    In addition to NYT, NPR has taken the same line with proofs of Russian evil and in the same spirit as the NYT totally fails to address any other points such as the coup, the increasing US bases and so forth. And all in the name of their so called "ballanced", "objective" journalism.

    (This was on NPR's national radio broadcast for "All Things Considered" which might be renamed "Not Very Much Considered". I felt like screaming except that on topics I
    care about deeply I have come to expect this kind of reporting from NPR).

    --Peter Loeb, Boston, MA, USA

Abe, June 22, 2015 at 11:22 pm
now, finally, Ukraine's Constitutional Court is faced with the shocking predicament of Ukraine's own President, who won his post as a result of this coup, requesting them to "acknowledge" that it was a coup, much as the founder of the "private CIA" firm Stratfor had even called it, "the most blatant coup in history."

Ukraine's Pres. Poroshenko Says Overthrow of Yanukovych Was a Coup
By Eric Zuesse
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2015/06/ukraines-pres-poroshenko-says-overthrow-of-yanukovych-was-a-coup.html

abbybwood, June 23, 2015 at 2:51 am
And take note how Nuland got Saakashvili appointed as head of Odessa:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/may/30/ukraine-appoints-georgia-ex-president-mikheil-saakashvili-governor-of-odessa

The ex-president of Georgia and a criminal who was holed up in NYC prior to taking off for Ukraine:

http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/s/mikheil_saakashvili/index.html

Let's see, we also got an American citizen to be the new "Foreign Minister" in Ukraine.

The New York Times has lost ALL credibility.

JA, June 23, 2015 at 2:57 am
It is not just English language media. In Sweden, both the main national dailies, Dagens Nyheter and Svenska Dagbladet run with the same propaganda about Russian aggression and Putin's expansionist plans. Both are also stridently calling for Sweden to join NATO, damning 200 years of Swedish neutrality and in a belligerant tone of faux outrage at anyone who suggests this is not a good idea as it would further antagonise relationships across the Baltic, 'how dare Putin (aks Hitler II) interfere in Swedish politics'.

As Russia is strengthening its naval port defences in Kaliningrad, probably also a NATO target like Crimea, the US/NATO must be licking its lips at taking over the Swedish naval base at Karlskrona, pretty much opposite Kaliningrad on the Baltic.

Abe

    June 23, 2015 at 2:19 pm

    On June 13, NATO conducted a preliminary amphibious landing exercise at Ravlunda, Sweden as part of BALTOPS 2015.

    Video of the Ravlunda landing includes aerial support by two B-52 bombers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qq9HHQ22jW4 (see minutes 26:34 – 27:40)

    On June 17, Swedish troops participated in the major landing exercise at Ustka, Poland, 300 kilometers east of Kaliningrad oblast.

    On June 18, in an interview with the Swedish newspaper Dagens Nyheter, Viktor Tatarintsev, Russian ambassador to Sweden, criticized the "aggressive propaganda campaign" by Swedish media.

    "Russia is often described as an attacker who only thinks of conducting wars and threatening others. But I can guarantee that Sweden, which is an alliance-free nation, is not part of any military plans by Russian authorities. Sweden is not a target for our armed troops," he said.

    However, he underlined that "consequences" if Sweden were to abandon its alliance neutrality and join NATO.

    "I don't think it will become relevant in the near future, even though there has been a certain swing in public opinion. But if it happens there will be counter measures. Putin pointed out that there will be consequences, that Russia will have to resort to a response of the military kind and re-orientate our troops and missiles. The country that joins NATO needs to be aware of the risks it is exposing itself to" he said.

    A ballyhooed October 2014 weekend survey conducted by pollsters Novus for TV4, Sweden's largest commercial television channel, showed 37% of Swedes were in favor of joining NATO with 36% of Swedes against. This was the first time that more Swedes have favored joining the alliance than not.

Stef, June 23, 2015 at 4:36 am

I was in Ukraine for 18 months before and after the overthrow of Yanukovych. The reason why he was overthrown is simple . . . people were upset at the corruption and string of broken promises. Many people believe a shift toward Europe will force the government to make structural economic reforms that will reduce corruption and improve efficiency and competitiveness. One main reason SOME people in the east are pro-Russian is because of the strong economic ties with Russia; Russia is the only country that will buy Ukrainian goods because they are of better quality in many cases (and less expensive) than Russian produced products.

Varenik

    June 23, 2015 at 4:38 pm

    You might be glossing over the fact that most of them are ethnically Russian, born on land of their ancestors that did not belong to Ukraine until Lenin gave it. AND that they know what western Ukrainians are capable of. And that those western Ukrainians were the the stormtroopers that, with the help of US, violently overthrew the elected government. And that the austerity that will come, imposed by IMF and European Bank along with de-industrialization of Ukraine will make any and all imaginable "abuse" by Russia pale in comparison.

    Just a few of reality bites you chose to skip over. Unless those 18 months in Ukraine were in employ of some "freedom and democracy" promoting NGO's.

Helge

    June 23, 2015 at 5:23 pm

    If Yanukovich was corrupt then it would appear likely that all those working as ministers for his government were corrupt as well, wouldn't you agree? No have a look who was Ukraine's minister of economy from December 2012 until February 2014? So what has changed then since Feb. 2014? Obviously, absolutely nothing, and if then, only for the worse because the current regime appears more repressive than Yanukovich ever was.

Joe Wallace

    June 23, 2015 at 10:04 pm

    If Ukrainian goods "are of better quality in many cases (and less expensive) than Russian produced products," why would Russia be "the only country that will buy them?"

Drew

    June 24, 2015 at 2:46 am

    Steph- so the 5 Billion the US spent on Maiden had nothing to do with it? How about the propaganda? Prior attempts at color revolution? The paramilitaries? A deal was brokered to let the president stand a little longer with a new election around the corner. After this, the protesters (a minority in Ukraine, by the way) appeared content & started home. It was at this point that paramilitaries kicked in & the US officials did nothing to stop it, nor invalidate the coup. It does not seem that you understand what is going on, here,

Dahoit

    June 24, 2015 at 10:46 am

    Yeah, my toaster has made in Ukraine. Sheesh. The only products Ukraine sells are weapons, from factories probably left over from the SU. The Russians seem to have rockets and many other weapons that are modern and formidable, and effective, so they must make some good stuff, eh?

Bianca

    June 24, 2015 at 5:42 pm

    You are mixing up the reasons for protest and the reasons for overthrow of elected president. There is no doubt that the economy was bad, and people had reasons to be unhappy. But the protests - no matter how large, are still representing a tiny portion of the country's population. Kiev had already had a pro-Western revolution, "Orange" as it was called.

    Yet, the country fell apart during the rule of pro-western politicians, and Yanukovich inherited the mess. The reason for coup was external intelligence meddling, busing in thousands of openly and proudly Nazi groups from the Western Ukraine, primarily from Lvov. And the key reason for coup was the false agreement that the foreign ministers of Germany, France and Poland struck between the President and the "opposition". The President agreed to elections, and to withdraw police from the streets. The Europeans barely left the airport, when the armed coup perpetrators started shooting into police and protesters. They pushed in with iron bars and Molotov coctails into Rada, and blocked those parliamentarians that tried to flee - forcing them to stay inside and "vote". They went immediately to the homes of politicians, president and other leaders of the regime, and killed many in the process. The President fled. In Rada, the vote was forced that appointed the new government, and the old one was disbanded. All of this evidence is recorded - including violence against delegates of Yanukovic party that were forced to vote for the coup. Thousands upon thousands of recorded evidence exists of the violence against Russians, Jews, Bulgarians, Poles, Hungarians, Romanians and Tatars. Yet, all it was cleaned up for the Western audience, and even Jewish leadership in US declared that Jews are not threatened in Ukraine. Thousands have however, fled the country. OPEN and RECORDED debate was held on what to do with the Russian population in Ukraine. "Yatz's" boss, Yulia Tymoshenko recommended "nuking them", while more practical Right Sector Leadership, and the leadership of Svoboda (nowdays in deep hiding, getting ready to be transformed into legitimate party of the right) recommended giving authority to local military commanders to round up all prominent Russians - businessmen, lawyers, doctors, teachers, engineers - and killing them WITHOUT requiring a prior approval from the authorities. Tymoshenko, being the head of a large political party with presence throughout Ukraine, offered her offices for such initiative. Now, which one of the options is West subscribing to? Looks like it could be both: first they declare Russian population "terrorists", then launch indiscriminate bombing campaign against their cities and villages. The "nuking" option may be needed in the end, as the "response" to "Russian aggression". Even though US Congress prevented arms to go to neo-Nazis - it is merely a shell game. Training centers and arming is happening in Lvov region. That is where the core Nazi elements are. US is thus training Nazis in order to create "National Guard". Why is this "Guard" needed when Ukraine has military? Because US and West do not trust military - they are unfortunately still guided by professional military training and code of conduct. What is needed is army of head-choppers and people-burners, those that will have no emotional barriers to committing heinous crimes. This is why Georgian Saakashvili has been put in charge of Odessa - as this is a region full of Russians and other "non loyal" minorities. Besides Odessa, such "punitive" squads will be dispatched to: Zaporozye, Kharkov, Kherson, Dnepropetrovsk, and Mikolayev.

    Just because people are unhappy with their lives, it does not entitle them to change government by force, and to trash institutions upon which ordinary people rely in their daily lives. Such "revolutions' usually bring scum to power, and the suffering of people is invariably greater. We have to stop believing in revolutions, supporting them, and recognizing their ill gains. Political process may be slow, but it is up to people to organize and build political parties that will do better job. I hope that if ever any revolutionary comes to my streets that my country will do everything in its power to destroy them. As much as I do not approve of many things in politics, I am - like most people, and I am sure majority of Ukrainians, grateful for the order that allows us to lead normal life and our children to grow up in peace. No revolution is worth one child's tear.

Brad Owen, June 23, 2015 at 5:38 am

This is all completely Wall Street/City-of-London vs. BRICS. The City and the Street are on the verge of bankruptcy. Greece has until the end of June to make an impossible payment for a fraudulent debt, and The Western Empire's own financial shenanigans have "checkmated" them. BRICS is the obvious alternative for World development & progress, which has driven The Western Empire MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction…"if we can't reign, nobody will"). I've read where powerful, institutional forces are pushing back against this madness…it's going to be a long, dreadfully hot, summer.

Tom, June 23, 2015 at 5:47 am

Here are the facts on the last 100 years of ukrainian and russians relations. Ukraine was conquered and incorporated into the russian empire in the late 1700's. After the Russian revolution, soviet troops made sure a puppet government was established and exterminated any opposition creating the soviet republic of Ukraine. In the 30's accused Ukraine farmers of stealing food supplies and not distributing through Moscow. Took all their food for a few years and created a man made famine that killed 6 million Ukrainians. Skipping the war atrocities stuff in ww2, which russians do not call ww2 bevause the were allies with hitler for the first part. They then expanded ukraines border into poland, deported all the polish creating a ukrainian west and encouraged russian migration to the east and made russian compulsory everywhere. Fast forward to now. The russians invade ukraine openly and anex crimea. They deny invading the other parts for now but are doing it anyway. They blame all the other soviet block coutries which they forcibly occupied for 50 years as being under some duress from the west to join them. Geopolitical theories might be true, and newspapers can be biased, but the ukraines arent russias brothers. And if they are they need to flee the domestic violence and get a step family.

Anonymous

    June 23, 2015 at 7:47 am

    You may want to submit this to the NY Times for publishing as it conspicuously lacks any mention of the US engineering the 2014 coup as well as the fact that NATO has repeatedly violated the agreements that ended the Cold War.

    Seems that Russia learned its lessons from the Cold War while the US never stopped trying to "win" the original Cold War by overthrowing anyone that puts their own interests and sovereignty in front of the Wests neocon/banking cabal just as the Ukraine did before the 2014 US engineered coup.

Joe, June 23, 2015 at 9:09 am

    Why this nonsense about "russians invade ukraine openly and anex crimea"? We all know that this is propaganda for which zero evidence has emerged. If you have an historical point it is lost in this plain attempt to deceive. There often are historical trends which may continue, but causes in the present must be argued: it is careless to assert that there is such a thing as "the russians" over such a long period.

    Factional grievances are solved only by recognizing the legitimate interests and rights of all factions, not by looking for devils and refusing to see faults on other sides. This balance is clear in the Putin remarks. Opposition requires good reasoning and evidence.

Zerge

    June 23, 2015 at 9:45 am

    You really should try to learn history more ant stop tear facts from a context. For example, Ukraine didn't actually exist like a state before 1918. By centuries modern Ukraine's territories were included into Lithuania, Poland, Moldavia, Hungary. Russian Empire not the only one here, you know.

    About famine just wiki's quote: "The Soviet famine of 1932–33 affected the major grain-producing areas of the Soviet Union, leading to the deaths of millions in those areas and severe food insecurity throughout the USSR. These areas included Ukraine, Northern Caucasus, Volga Region and Kazakhstan, the South Urals, and West Siberia". I don't really understand why famine in Ukraine more tragic and more terrible than famine in Mordovia or Ural.

    By the way, new family doesn't rush to hug and love new step kid. More likely it enjoys watching kid's suicide.

Ptaha, June 23, 2015 at 11:03 am

    Your post is sadly funny – such a crazy interpretation on Russian- Ukrainian history. Are you really "Tom" or you "Tom from west Ukraine"? Who occupied Ukraine in 1700????!!!!!! Ukraine was straggling to survive from Polish and Turkish aggression and asked Russia to take Ukraine as a part of Russia in order to be protected. Under Polish-Turkish occupation they were not allowed to speak Ukrainian language and get married without permission. When it comes to that " cry" about Ukrainian farmers who died without food that was taken forcefully or were sent away from home, why you do not mention that the same situation was over all Soviet Union? How about Povolzh'e https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_famine_of_1921 ? Who "forcefully" occupied other Soviet Union Republics?.All of them were in Russian borders before 1917. What about England who occupied Ireland and Scotland or US occupied Texas and so on? One more thing – we are brothers and sisters and it is not your business to decide identification of our ethnicity. We all have mixed blood and we do not deny any part of it.

Abe

    June 23, 2015 at 12:00 pm

    "Skipping the war atrocities stuff" is a popular pastime in Ukraine. Unless, of course, one is enthusiastically commemorating the 1941 liberation of Lviv by the "heroic" Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN), the 1943 liberation of Volhynia and Eastern Galicia by the "heroic" Ukrainian insurgent Army (UPA), the 1944 exploits of the "heroic" Waffen-SS Galicia Division, or the 1945 exploits of the "heroic" Ukrainian National Army (UNA).

Abe

June 23, 2015 at 12:38 pm

Not to mention the 2014 exploits of the "heroic" Ukrainian territorial defense battalions and special police battalions. In November 2014, all 37 volunteer battalions to be integrated into Ukraine's regular forces, thus they were officially inducted into the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Minister of Internal Affairs and National Guard of Ukraine as National Guard battalions.

We'll just skip the "heroic" exploits of Azov, Aidar, and Tornado battalions.

A nod's as good as a wink to a blind bat, eh? Know what I mean? Say no more.

Abe

    June 23, 2015 at 1:03 pm

    "Geopolitical theories might be true, and newspapers can be biased, but the ukraines arent russias [sic] brothers. And if they are they need to flee the domestic violence and get a step family."

    Sure, just like in 1941, Ukraine can get a Nazi step family (NATO) and reenact the "Battle of the European SS".

    'Cause crazy uncle Adolf's got this great plan for Ukraine's future https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Generalplan_Ost

Oleg

    June 23, 2015 at 2:56 pm

    Dear Tom, you probably meant to leave your comment at a different site (like Euromaidan, Mirotvorec, etc). Here you're facing a different kind of audience. It does not take a rocket scientist to go to the wiki and find that you wrote blatant lies. E.g. that Bohdan Khmelniskiy asked for Russian protection and Tsar's favours in 1654 after he had been annihilated by the Poles. And it went on from there. For instance, Stalin gave parts of Poland, Romania and Czechoslovakia to Ukraine, Khruschev donated Crimea, etc. such that Ukraine actually has grown a lot under the Soviet rule.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Ukraine#/media/File:Ukraine-growth.png
    Not to mention that many USSR leaders were Ukranian.

Drew

    June 24, 2015 at 3:06 am

    Tom- your knowledge of history is lacking, somewhat. Might I point out that the eastern portion of what you call Ukraine historically belongs to Russia? That Ukraine has been more of a middle ground and borderland between for East & West Europe for centuries, continually being carved up & never really becoming a nation until recently. While I do not approve of Stalin's modernization programs in Ukraine and purges & other acts of violence, you leave out the growth of the OUN-B, the nazi-like nazi collaborators who were trained by both British & Germany to attack Russia/Soviets. Then there is the genocide the Ukranian nationalists participated in and with such a ferocity, the Nazis were ashamed….post-WWII: Bandera OUN to the US, largely working in CIA and Washington….1991& on: back to Ukraine to help foment a break from Rusdia & color revolution….,

    Odessa- Putin was in his legal rights to bring a force that size, where the port is controlled by Russia. Moreover, repeated poling by independent sources reveal 90+% of Crimeans residents want to be part of Ukraine…. Condortium and other award winning independent outlets have already turned the "Russia invasion" mythology of its head.
    "Ukrainian's aren't Russia's brothers" …sorry, but at least half of Ukraine would disagree, especially those fighting for agency in Donbass. You really can't peddle that stuff here.

Bianca

    June 24, 2015 at 6:14 pm

    This creative "history" will do well for New York Times - it is so biased and untrue, that it will take pages to get the lies covered. As for your concluding thought - that Ukrainians need another family, you may have a point. It is very important that a country grows up. Ukraine has been on a crossroads of many battles, and was source of slaves for hundreds of years before Russia put an end to this lucrative "business". Those that hunted slaves and those that then sold them making hefty profits - until today feel some sort of superiority over those Slavs. Ukraine must grow up, and what it does not kill it, will make it stronger. Its people will go through horrendous pains as the new relations will take all they can carry out of the country, and what cannot be carried, will be destroyed. But it must be so. Some will discover that they are Russians after all, while others will gravitate to the world that they were most familiar with - such as Galicia gravitating to Poland. What this country called for a long time is an amicable divorce. Now, it will happen anyway, but after much suffering.

    As you chose to start your twisted history full of lies and innuendos in 1700 - you may have mentioned that Kiev was capital of Russia before Mongol invasion, and it is because of the invasion of Mongols and Tatars that the capital was moved to Moscow.

    Also, West has not shown itself to be CAPABLE of offering any path, any successful economic model for all the countries they happen to bestow their "love" upon. There is no country in Eastern Europe that is successful, contrary to propaganda. Most are in fact in horrible shape, and its population fled to other countries in search of jobs or just to save themselves from bank imposed slavery. Check out Baltic countries, as an example. Countries like Poland are tired as well - the theme of the latest elections was "we look good on paper". That is what Europe is - good on paper. Most countries of the former Eastern block are now economically depressed, their education and health care decimated. Life in countries like Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria, Greece, Macedonia, Serbia, Bosnia, Croatia, Moldavia, etc. is well below their former socialist existence. Yet, they MUST implement "reforms" that harm them, they must fulfill all the orders from their European masters, yet year after year they are poorer. Masses od emigrants are flooding Europe - from the regions were Western wars destroyed entire countries, Middle East, Central and North Africa, and now from poor European countries. Greece has not caused its own misery - no matter what White West has to say about it. Loans have been forced down their throats for "reforms", that nobody ever knew how exactly will those "reforms" work. The banks just wanted politicians to take loans, White West companies were in line to get the money for various "needs", and in the end, instead of punishing the greedy bankers that had no business giving loans to feather western companies pockets - all the loans have been magically transferred to Greek taxpayer, and if they do not pay, to European taxpayer - as the utterly incompetent EU Bank and politically motivated IMF managed to fool the European public. Ukraine is quite welcome to this mess - for as long as they remember not to blame Russia. People must be allowed to make their mistakes. And if some regions of Ukraine are not eager to go there, why force them? After all - what is wrong with some competition. Let pro-Russian regions stay to trade with Russia, and pro-Western go to EU, and build their fortune there.

Abe

June 23, 2015 at 1:19 pm

Shout, shout…

shout out his name!

Putin!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vvvPZd6_D8

Mulegino1

June 24, 2015 at 4:18 pm

As far as those so called "Neo -Nazi" battalions are concerned, they appear to be criminal gangs who have adopted Waffen S.S. insignia as their symbols.
And, judging by whose side they are fighting on, they appear to be quite kosher "Nazis" indeed.

Abe

    June 23, 2015 at 3:57 pm

    One of Cass Sunstein's cognitive infiltration trolls assigned to Consortium News takes a break from porn surfing to chime in. Gotta keep earning that guv'mint paycheck.

    Mulegino1

    June 24, 2015 at 4:14 pm

    It is quite perceptive of you to say so – that is indeed what is really at play here.
    The BRICS are a direct threat to Atlanticist Zionist financial hegemony in the same way that National Socialist Germany was.

    Long before Germany invaded Poland, the war parties in Britain and the F.D.R. administration had decided that the German nation had to be destroyed; the issue of currency backed only by the productive power of physical labor – much like Lincoln's "Greenbacks" – was a huge blow against the central banks, and the barter trade – the exchange of German industrial goods in exchange for raw materials – was a potential fatal blow to the hegemony of Wall St. and the City of London. A "Barter Bloc" of nations including the Soviet Union, Iran, Turkey and much of Latin America would have obviated the need for an international reserve currency.

    We're seeing much the same situation here. The difference, of course, is that Putin has time and space on his side, not to mention the world's largest nuclear arsenal.

Abbybwood

June 23, 2015 at 1:49 pm

U.S. is ratcheting up the rhetoric now with talk of Putin being Hitler and the times now feeling like the 1930's:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/unite-against-moscow-aggression-us-nuclear-missile-commander-says-vladimir-putins-actions-echo-those-of-nazi-germany-in-the-1930s-10337983.html

Time for Robert Parry to get his journalist friends together (Scheer, Hedges etc.) for a little "show and tell" at the National Press Club.

This is all getting waaaayyy out of hand.

Saner heads must prevail and simply "writing" about all this isn't cutting it.

Abbybwood

ptaha

June 23, 2015 at 2:28 pm

Proud father teaches his daughter to "cut Russians" and after that slogan she says: Sieg Heil

http://news-front.info/2015/06/23/ya-budu-rezat-rusnyu-papa-uchit-dochku-zigovat-i-rezat-russkix/

Is there no fascism in Ukraine?

Ptaha

June 23, 2015 at 2:37 pm

Small mistake – not her father – her brother. There is his personal "page" on some sort of Russian "Facebook": https://vk.com/slava_banderi

Caf

June 23, 2015 at 3:19 pm

It is singularly amazing me, the degree to which the Times has descended into sheer propaganda. Even during the run-up to the Iraq War, which was an absolute low point in Times' history, the editorial board was not as over-the-top propagandistic as it is today. As it stands now, the Times really has no credibility on Russia or Ukraine, nothing published on these matters by the Times can really be taken seriously.

dahoit

    June 24, 2015 at 10:52 am

    They and our puppeticians have gotten everything wrong about everything,and still spew their swill with no pushback.Revolting!

F. G. Sanford

June 23, 2015 at 4:04 pm

Propaganda can hide the means and the motives. It can obfuscate the ideology that informs the strategy. It can parade a figurehead and disguise the prime movers. It can deflect attention from incompetent blunders and lionize the perpetrators. But in the end, it cannot hide utter failure. Every thinking General Officer – and despite the best efforts of military indoctrination there are always a few – is by now having grave doubts. We have seen purges of late based on dubious charges. Experts have been replaced by political hacks, and resignations have been tendered out of a clear blue sky. Months ago, there was talk of a 5,000 strong "rapid reaction force" in the Baltics. Then, it was upped to 10,000. Now, we are hearing of prepositioned war materiel, and a force of 40,000. In terms of a conventional force deterrent, this is laughable. A real conventional threat from Russia would require a counterforce of 10,000 tanks and 250,000 troops. Nobody is tossing around those numbers, but there must be a few realistic analysts who realize they are accurate. So…what's the game afoot? In the absence of defections from the current lunatic cabal, it's hard to know for sure. But it certainly seems likely that there must be some dissenters. Hollywood versions of reality aside, there were on the order of 27 plots against Hitler, and Admiral Canaris's was among the least ambitious. (I believe some are still classified.) It is not difficult to imagine that there is currently a crisis of loyalty in the halls of power. In order to generate propaganda effectively, one must also have a grasp of the truth. Even among sycophants, complete reversal of the truth is sometimes abhorrent. In this 'Alice in Wonderland' reality, it is tempting to speculate that the plan is to "lose" with as small a force as possible in order to create a new strategic reality. If it goes wrong, there's always the 'nuclear option'. Propaganda will not be able to hide that.

Abe

June 23, 2015 at 5:22 pm

The reality today is that the NSA operates a global surveillance apparatus undreamed of even by Abwehr chief Admiral Canaris' rival, SS-Obergruppenführer Heydrich of the Reichssicherheitshauptamt.

Even without a Führer oath, the Empire of Chaos is no less prepared to battle all "enemies of the Reich", both foreign and domestic.

After the 193 Dutch airline passengers, surely no one will mind if the Empire sacrifices a few hundred Lithuanians and Estonians on the altar of "collective security". Heck, why not throw in a few Swedes. Europe will remain snug as a bug beneath its "Iron Dome" without the need for American troops, sure as hot summer and hotter autumn is followed by nuclear winter.

Abe

June 23, 2015 at 6:55 pm

Reinhard Heydrich also was the coordinator of the Endlösung der Judenfrage (the Final Solution of the Jewish Question) which meant the systematic extermination of the Jews living in the European countries occupied by the Third Reich during the Second World War.

The plans for the Final Solution were outlined by Heydrich at the Wannsee Conference in January 1942. Later in 1942, Heydrich was assassinated by British-trained Czechoslovak agents in Prague in Operation Anthropoid.

Heydrich's death led to a wave of merciless reprisals by German SS troops, including the destruction of the villages of Lidice and Ležáky, and the killing of civilians.

In January 1943, Himmler delegated the office to SS-Obergruppenführer and General of Police Dr. Ernst Kaltenbrunner, who headed the RSHA for the rest of World War II.

During the The International Military Tribunal at Nuremburg, Kaltenbrunner argued in his defense that his position as RSHA chief existed only in title. He claimed that all decrees and legal documents which bore his signature were "rubber-stamped" and filed by his adjutants.

Kaltenbrunner maintained that SS-Reichsführer Heinrich Himmler, as his superior, was the person actually culpable for the atrocities committed during his tenure as chief of the RSHA.

The IMT noted that Kaltenbrunner was a keen functionary in matters involving the sphere of the RSHA's intelligence network, but the evidence also showed that Kaltenbrunner was an active authority and participant in many instances of war crimes and crimes against humanity.

The IMT found Kaltenbrunner not guilty of crimes against peace. However, Kaltenbrunner was found guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity, and sentenced him to death by hanging.

Abe

    June 23, 2015 at 7:29 pm

    Interpol, the International Criminal Police Organization, was originally founded in 1923 as the International Criminal Police Commission (ICPC). Its headquarters were in Vienna.

    Following Anschluss, the invasion and forced incorporation of Austria in 1938, the organization fell under the control of Nazi Germany. Its headquarters were eventually moved to Berlin in 1942.

    Between 1938 and 1945, the organization's presidents included Reinhard Heydrich and Ernst Kaltenbrunner. All were generals in the SS, and Kaltenbrunner was the highest ranking SS officer executed after the Nuremberg Trials.

    After the end of World War II in 1945, the organization was revived as Interpol by officials from Belgium, France, Scandinavia and the United Kingdom. The new Interpol headquarters were established in France.

    Until the 1980s, Interpol did not intervene in the prosecution of Nazi war criminals in accordance with Article 3 of its Charter, which prohibited intervention in "political" matters.

Helge

June 23, 2015 at 5:16 pm

The NYT writes: "If he is not careful, Mr. Putin may end up facing exactly what he has railed against - a NATO more firmly parked on Russia's borders - not because the alliance wanted to go in that direction, but because Russian behavior left it little choice." Not because the Alliance wanted to go in that direction???? Well, how did Russia "provoke" NATO expansion then in the last 15 years? How then? Usually the NYT and others make the claim that any free country is free to join whatever alliance it wants to, on a sudden Poland, Latvia etc. have been driven in NATO by Russian threats? Which threats? How has the Russian sphere of influence then expanded in the last 20 years? And the US had to place the missiles officially aimed at Iran in such a way that they also aim at Russia? And now after the Iranian agreement there is not even remotely any suggestion that perhaps they are redundant and could be removed? How is the Kremlin to understand that? There is obviously something the NYT knows which we don't know….

    ltr

    June 23, 2015 at 6:14 pm

    Terrific comment.

abbybwood

June 23, 2015 at 6:48 pm

"U.S. to E.U.: Sanctions Are For Suckers!":

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article42225.htm

Abe

    June 23, 2015 at 7:09 pm

    quoting the article:

    The unprecedented militarisation of international relations and the standoff with Russia has proven to be an absolute boon for Washington's military-industrial complex. To be sure, the Americans are not defending Europe and the other NATO members out of chivalry.

    Each new expenditure by NATO states – under the impetus of an alleged "threat of Russian expansion" – is a boost for sales of US-made fighter jets, missiles, tanks, warships and much else.

george mcglynn

June 23, 2015 at 7:14 pm

Excellent analysis of the blatant ideological nonsense and misinformation that is coming from the editorial page of the Times. Their foreign desk has been pedaling the same lies from the beginning of the orchestrated coup, by the U.S., in the Ukraine.

George McGlynn

Abe

June 24, 2015 at 1:25 am

Kiev is still a coup that has not really consolidated its power. The people trust this government less than the former. They know they were sold a bill of goods. Most are powerless but not all, like Kiev's Deputy Minister of Defense, Major-General Alexander Kolomiets who defected to Donbass this week. He has this to say:

"The potential of the Ukrainian army is at a very low level. From a moral point of view, all the generals and officers who understand that the government's actions are criminal, don't want to fight. Only volunteers from nationalist troops are fighting. In the near future the Armed forces of Ukraine will be rocked by uprisings. Officers do not understand the commands to kill civilians. We will see it sometime in the fall. Everything will change very soon."

While Kiev plays its waiting game, it is somewhat tied to that of the US and NATO, where the 6,000-man ready reaction force could be increase to 40,000 at the NATO conference next week. Four divisions is a major offensive move. Much of this force is headed to the Baltic States who have made a huge strategic blunder by offering themselves up for Western cannon fodder. The citizens there need some new and better leadership, and quickly, like most of the rest of us do.

Moscow is also buying time to complete its military modernization and to complete building with China and India the Eurasian integrated economic and military defensive Great Wall of Asia that will be able to defend itself via mutually assured destruction. Yes, the Western leaders are taking us backwards to that situation.

The Western Coup in Ukraine May Self Destruct Yet
By Jim Dean
http://journal-neo.org/2015/06/24/the-western-coup-in-ukraine-may-self-destruct-yet/

abbybwood

June 24, 2015 at 4:07 am

Apparently New York Times staffers are too busy pulling pranks regarding mass shootings and mass death events to bother doing serious, hard-hitting and objective journalism:

http://rt.com/usa/269233-nyt-joke-mass-killings/

Mark Thomason

June 24, 2015 at 2:53 pm

"there was no coup in Ukraine in 2014, no U.S.-driven "regime change," no provocation"

And anyone who reminds readers of reality is called wild names, "Putinbot" or "comrade" and the like. It is no different from the treatment of any critics of Israeli right wing policy being called anti-semites or self-hating. This has grown so obnoxious in the NYT comments that it has become a large proportion of comments.

[Jun 22, 2015] Some interesting stuff on the far-right in Ukraine

jeremn, June 22, 2015 at 2:19 am
Some interesting stuff on the far-right in Ukraine:

http://defendinghistory.com/category/ukraine

Including this article on Bandera:

http://defendinghistory.com/distorted-nationalist-history-ukraine/65887

"Ultranationalist and revolutionary Ukrainians like Bandera dreamt in the 1930s of becoming leaders of fascist states like Benito Mussolini and Adolf Hitler. The Ukrainian equivalent to duce and Führer was vozhd' or providnyk. In the late 1930s and early 1940s the generation born around 1910 took the initiative and continued elaborating Ukrainian fascism on their own. They invented the Ukrainian fascist salute "Glory to Ukraine!" while answering "Glory to the Heroes!"; wanted to take care of the "Ukrainian race" and claimed that Ukraine needed a fascist state without national minorities – in particular without Jews, Poles and Russians. They wanted to be a part of the new fascist Europe like Ante Pavelić's Croatia or Josef Tiso's Slovakia. Bandera was supposed to become the leader of a Ukrainian fascist state after Ievhen Konovalets' was assassinated in 1938 in Rotterdam and his follower Adrii Melnyk was considered inappropriate for the position."

European values (of 1941)!

[Jun 22, 2015] There is a strong ground-roots level hostility against Russia in Finland

karl1haushofer, June 22, 2015 at 2:40 pm

"Those who pose these questions are not US citizens, it seems. He tells me most are Swedes and Finns"

This is not surprising. Based on what I have read in different message boards and forums the Americans are not that hostile towards Russia. Finns and Swedes on the other hand are. There is a strong ground-roots level hostility against Russia in Finland that is lacking in the Anglosaxon countries.

Humans creating sixth great extinction of animal species, say scientists

"...There's no way creative thinking and awareness can help unless humankind pulls together - cooperates. Given that those of a certain political persuasion (particularly in the U.S. but increasingly in Australia and everywhere else) have used a divide-and-conquer strategy, enlisting irrational members of all description, it is difficult to see us responding in a way proportionate to the crisis."

Study reveals rate of extinction for species in the 20th century has been up to 100 times higher than would have been normal without human impact

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Previous studies have warned that the impact of humans taking land for buildings, farming and timber has been to make species extinct at speeds unprecedented in Earth's 4.5bn-year history.

Walsunda hmmm606 21 Jun 2015 22:49

"Africa especially being by far the fastest growing region population wise."

At 28 people per square kilometre, has a long way to go to catch up with Eurasia with 84 people per square kilometre. Where do you live?

Jeff Young -> SvenNorheim 20 Jun 2015 20:04

Agree Sven and one other thing. There's no way creative thinking and awareness can help unless humankind pulls together - cooperates. Given that those of a certain political persuasion (particularly in the U.S. but increasingly in Australia and everywhere else) have used a divide-and-conquer strategy, enlisting irrational members of all description, it is difficult to see us responding in a way proportionate to the crisis.

HelgiDu -> timotei 20 Jun 2015 13:04

Losing the climate of the polar regions redraws the biodiversity of the regions. Polar bears are one species. The nutrient rich waters of the cool polar summer support many, many more species all along the food chain (up to - and including- us).

The collapse of the Grand Banks off Canada could be surpassed (but with differing underlying reasons).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_of_the_Atlantic_northwest_cod_fishery

[Jun 22, 2015] EU extends sanctions against Russia as Ukraine conflict rumbles on

"... Cui bono?"
"...And Russia? I think it will still be there in a few years, with its resources and markets, its new-found anger against Western hypocrisy and new-found pride.
Great job, Madames Nuland and Merkel, and above all the esteemed Nobel Peace Price winner, you have delivered, you will be rewarded."
Jun 22, 2015 | The Guardian

Beckow 22 Jun 2015 20:26

Extending sanctions

  • without a discussion
  • simply means that EU doesn't know what to do next. What will happen?
  • Ukraine will either collapse economically in a default, or EU will have to spend literally tens of billions annually to keep it minimally stable
  • Russia will turn its economy to other regions (China, Turkey, Latin America,...) slowly freezing out EU exporters and farmers
  • EU will lose Russian market at a cost of roughly 1% of its GNP and a few hundred billions in sales
  • not fatal, but also not good given very slow EU economic growth
  • In 3-4 years Russian gas, oil, minerals, raw materials will mostly be sold east and south, with EU either paying a lot more to Russia or switching to more costly alternatives; again probably costing a few % points of potential growth
  • Ukrainians will be very, very angry
  • they got screwed by the crisis and it will take them a generation to recover; there will be more refugees, more instability, more bloodshed
  • US will sell more arms through Nato
  • a lot more.

The winners are US and its arms industry, comprador bourgeois in Kiev who will move West and will be well compensated, and China, Turkey, etc... who will gain huge business benefits in Russia.

The losers will be EU economy, but above all the Ukrainian common people.

And Russia? I think it will still be there in a few years, with its resources and markets, its new-found anger against Western hypocrisy and new-found pride.

Great job, Madames Nuland and Merkel, and above all the esteemed Nobel Peace Price winner, you have delivered, you will be rewarded.


HauptmannGurski sashasmirnoff 22 Jun 2015 21:28

Good post. I would like to add that the cut-off (from some international financial markets) is the best thing that could have happened to Russia. It is always better to do things with your own resources, even if that means a slower pace.

Russia is spared the fate of Greece where the loan sharks pushed the money onto them and now what? They only have to follow what the IMF and the EU tells them - and everything will be roses in Greece?

If the West is happy with the experiences in Argentina, Greece, and Ukraine (in the making) that's their problem.

Russia is spared the temptation to take the easy way out by accepting a loan and waking up with fleas.

HollyOldDog ID5589788 22 Jun 2015 21:25

All this is in the past just like Poland attacking Russia with the help of the Cossaks ( until the Cossaks switched sides - they were only regarded as useful barbarians by the Poles).
Now the Barbarian hordes ( butchers of the American 1st People's ) are resident in the USA and are trying to subjugate the Planet as their plaything. This Horde nation is trying to use the same strategy as the Old Polish empire by employing local European citizens to act as their Cannon Fodder against those who oppose them - like the Cossaks the new cannon fodder will turn against their masters. WE are waiting....

HauptmannGurski Chiselbeard 22 Jun 2015 21:20

Depends on the money. Ukraine needs a lot of money for many years to keep her afloat and that does not include modern (NATO compatible) weaponry which, like in Greece, would probably have to be supplied on credit. I have read the figure of 2 billion $ annually for about 20 years, but of course these things are not easy to verify. The debt forgiveness for Ukraine has not been going well; their Finance Minister (what's her name) has been travelling for weeks/months for new money and simultaneous debt cancellation - with zero result. Soros has urged the EU to provide the money.

When the money runs out, loyalties fade. Having said that, the activities of the rebels in E Ukraine are sheer lunacy. If they want to speak Russian maybe they should go to Russia. Why Russia is bothered with such a capricious people like the Ukrainians is really strange. It won't be that long until they can disconnect the gas pipe and be rid of this and other issues.

HollyOldDog ID5589788 22 Jun 2015 21:01

You are an idiot, Putin has nothing to gain by the USA selling more arms to the EU. I am happy to see that more senior Ukrainian officers joining the East Ukraine seperatists movement, junior officers will follow and probably taking their loyal men with them. Eventually only the most extreme Right Wing extremists will be left. What will happen then, will NATO forces attack and how would the world view this development? America, NATO and their puppets in the EU barely have a brain cell between them.

sashasmirnoff Omniscience 22 Jun 2015 20:59

Motivation! (necessity being the mother of invention, all that stuff)
I take no pleasure in conflict, adversarial positions, and I'm sure I'm in the vast majority. I hope (for the first time in recorded history) that one day the so-called democratic process will prevail, and that the aspirations of people rather than business interests will guide the relationship between States. Isn't idealism quaint?

Chiselbeard centerline 22 Jun 2015 20:46

You will note that the Russian economy is in recession. You will also note that, prior to their involvement in Ukraine, this was not the case. You can try to distract from the real damage resulting from Russia's aggression, but it sounds to me like a recent convict claiming "now I have time to catch up on my reading".

sashasmirnoff -> LiberalinCalif 22 Jun 2015 20:42

I see that the majority of anti-Russia posts are penned by (you guessed it) ...dumb-asses. If you could think clearly for a moment, you'd see that sanctions are actually a great impetus for diversifying the economy. Bankruptcy? I think that might be Ukraine, and your ilk will be holding the bag!

Any rain yet?

centerline 22 Jun 2015 20:34

I see Ukraine officials and military officers are starting to defect to the other side. Soon the trickle will become a flood and that will be the end of the US government in Kiev.

[Jun 22, 2015] Carter -- We will stand up against Russia

"..."Carter was a supporter of the 2003 invasion of Iraq, as well as an advocate of preventive wars against North Korea and Iran.[40][41][42] Carter is considering deploying ground-launched cruise missiles in Europe that could pre-emptively destroy the Russian weapons" ( Virtually guaranteeing a full scale nuke exchange)."
"...Ash Carter -- Another psychopath at the helm of the American ship of state…!!!!!"
Northern Star, June 22, 2015 at 3:12 pm
http://www.valuewalk.com/2015/06/u-s-to-stop-russia-from-recreating-soviet-era-control/

"The United States does not want to make Russia an enemy. It is not seeking to have another Cold War or a hot battle with the Russian government. However, the United States will not allow Moscow to re-create a Soviet-era control in Europe, according to Defense Secretary Ash Carter.

During his speech in Berlin on Monday, Carter said, "We do not seek a cold, let alone a hot war with Russia. We do not seek to make Russia an enemy. But make no mistake; we will defend our allies, the rules-based international order, and the positive future it affords us."

Carter added, "We will stand up against Russia's actions and their attempts to re-establish as Soviet Era sphere of influence."

(From Wiki):

"Carter was a supporter of the 2003 invasion of Iraq, as well as an advocate of preventive wars against North Korea and Iran.[40][41][42] Carter is considering deploying ground-launched cruise missiles in Europe that could pre-emptively destroy the Russian weapons" ( Virtually guaranteeing a full scale nuke exchange).

Another psychopath at the helm of the American ship of state…!!!!!

[Jun 22, 2015] Newsflash, America Ukraine Cannot Afford a War with Russia

Jun 22, 2015 | The National Interest

Historically, great powers-including the United States, as a cursory look at its history demonstrates-have resisted their rivals' attempts to extend influence into areas deemed vital for national security and standing. But this observation cuts no ice with those who regard Moscow's behavior as nothing more than an amalgam of mendacity and Machtpolitik.

They dismiss the proposition that Russia might have been unsettled by the prospect of a Ukraine integrated into the EU. The EU, they point out, is an economic entity, not an alliance, and the Kremlin knows this full well. Hence, its supposed apprehension about the strategic consequences of Kyiv's alignment with the EU is bogus-another instance of Putinist propaganda-and those who give it credence are either misinformed or dupes. Besides, they say, Ukraine has no chance of joining the EU anytime soon.

That the EU, by virtue of its Common Security and Defense Policy (CSDP), has a military element-no matter how inchoate-seems to have gone unnoticed by this group. The same goes for the near-total overlap in membership between the EU and NATO.

Those who believe that Russia alone bears the blame for the Ukraine crisis insist that NATO had no plans to bring Ukraine into its ranks in the run-up to the 2014 crisis and that Moscow's apprehensions on this score amount to little more than propaganda.

But back in the early 1990s, the chances that Romania, Bulgaria and the Baltic trio would join both coalitions seemed remote, and Ukraine's membership in NATO was in fact under discussion during the tenure of President Leonid Kuchma. These, it seems, are inconvenient facts to be forgotten because only lies emanate from the Kremlin.

Russia certainly sought, in multiple ways, to shape Ukraine's internal and external policies-and well before Putin came on the scene, by the way. Yet it did not attempt to annex Crimea or to sponsor secessionist statelets in Ukraine's east prior to 2014. On February 21 of that year, the Kremlin teamed up with the EU to help forge a February 21, 2014 political settlement between Yanukovych and the opposition that called for forming a national unity government, pruning the powers of the presidency (by reverting to the 2004 constitution) and holding early (not later than December) presidential elections.

To be fair, there are, on the other side of the Ukraine debate, those who have also succumbed to hyperbolic simplemindedness. For example, the insistence that the conflagration in Ukraine stems from NATO's expansion pure and simple represents a classic example of the single-factor fallacy. The contention that Ukraine's own politics are fascist in a fashion or that anti-Semitism represents a rising trend in Ukrainian society is no less inaccurate, and anyone who has spent time recently in various parts of Ukraine and met its officials (in Kyiv and the outlying areas), leaders of civic organizations, journalists and academics can attest that it is baseless. As all countries do, Ukraine has its extremists, but they are scarcely the prime movers of its politics and remain a fringe element. While there are sound reasons not to flood Ukraine with American weaponry, the supposed extremism of Ukrainian politics is not among them.

As a sop to those who have pushed for arming Ukraine, the Obama administration has begun training Ukraine's National Guard-regrouped private militias that, at least in an administrative, if not substantive, sense are overseen by the defense and interior ministries. (Canada and Britain are also providing training.) The White House has also allocated some $118 million for "nonlethal" equipment to bolster Ukraine's defenses.

Meanwhile, the creaky Minsk II ceasefire could well collapse. Shelling across the line of control remains routine. Moreover, the Kyiv leadership and the Donbas separatists both have reason to torpedo Minsk II-the former to force Obama's hand, the latter to prevent Putin from abandoning them for a deal with the West that lifts economic sanctions on Russia.

[Jun 22, 2015] Russia does not accept the jurisdiction of Hague arbitration court

yalensis June 21, 2015 at 12:50 pm

Putin says that Russia does not accept the jurisdiction of Hague arbitration court, which ruled in favor of Khodorkovsky:

Putin suggested that part of Russia's legal strategy will be to deny the jurisdiction of the international arbitration court in The Hague that last year awarded shareholders of the defunct Yukos oil company $50 billion in damages because Russia in 2004 illegally dismantled the company and auctioned off its assets.

The French and Belgian asset freezes are aimed at enforcing that court judgement.

"The Hague Court is competent to decide on such cases only in respect of those countries that are signatories of the European Energy Charter," Putin said.

"Russia has not ratified this charter, so we do not recognize the jurisdiction of this court."

Hence, Khodorkovsky is not going to see $50 billion dollars of Russian taxpayer money pass into his slimy pockets. Not even one dollar, I would hope.

NATO "two-track" policy toward Russia

Fern , June 22, 2015 at 2:02 pm

In the light of today's announcement from NATO head-honcho Stoltenberg that the Rapid Response Force parked in eastern Europe might reach 40,000 troops instead of the original number of 4,000,(and you wouldn't want that guy estimating numbers for catering a party would you?) this article dating from 1996 is well worth reading. Its focus is NATO's involvement in Bosnia and the factors underpinning its out-of-area missions. Its author has subsequently died but he was remarkably prescient about what was, at the time of writing, the shape of things to come. It's long and heavy on fact but worth sticking with. The emphasis is mine.

NATO had never carried out a formal study on the enlargement of the alliance until quite recently, when the Working Group on NATO Enlargement issued its report. No doubt there were internal classified studies, but nothing is known of their content to outsiders.

Despite the lack of clear analysis, however, the engines for moving things forward were working hard from late 1991. At the end of that year, NATO created the North Atlantic Cooperation Council. NATO member nations then invited 9 Central and East European countries to join the NACC in order to begin fostering cooperation between the NATO powers and former members of the Warsaw Pact.

This was a fìrst effort to offer something to East European countries wishing to join NATO itself. The NACC, however, did not really satisfy the demands of those countries, and in the beginning of 1994 the US launched the idea of a Partnership for Peace. The PFP offered nations wishing to join NATO the possibility of co-operating in various NATO activities, including training exercises and peacekeeping. More than 20 countries, including Russia, are now participating in the PFP.

Many of these countries wish eventually to join NATO. Russia obviously will not. join. It believes that NATO should not be moving eastwards. According to the Center for Defense Infromation in Washington, a respected independent research center on military affairs, Russia is participating in the PFP "to avoid being shut out of the European security structure altogether."

The movement toward the enlargement of NATO has therefore been steadily gathering momentum. The creation of the North Atlantic Cooperation Council was more or less an expression of sympathy and openness toward those aspiring to NATO membership. But it did not carry things very far. The creation of the Partnership for Peace was more concrete. It actually involved former Warsaw Pact members in NATO itself.

It also began a "two-track" policy toward Russia, in which Russia was given a more or less empty relationship with NATO simply to allay its concerns about NATO expanslon.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/why-is-nato-in-yugoslavia/21008

[Jun 20, 2015]Jeb Bush - Profile

"...No Republican will enjoy credibility as a deficit hawk unless he or she acknowledges that George W. Bush squandered the budget surplus he inherited. "
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"...The National Review piece went on: "Adelson sent word to Bush's camp in Miami: Bush, he said, should tell Baker to cancel the speech. When Bush refused, a source describes Adelson as "rips***"; another says Adelson sent word that the move cost the Florida governor 'a lot of money.'" (At around the same time the rupture with Adelson was reported, Bush publicly disavowed Baker, saying that he would not be a part of his foreign policy team.)"
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"...In March 2014, Bush and several other potential candidates were also received by Adelson at a Republican Jewish Coalition gathering at a Las Vegas hangar owned by Adelson's Sands Corporation, which papers dubbed the "Adelson primary." According to attendees, Bush gave a speech largely focused on domestic issues but also criticized the Obama administration's foreign policy-a key issue for Adelson, who is fiercely "pro-Israel." In his foreign policy remarks, Bush warned about the dangers of "American passivity" and, according to Time, "cautioned the Republican party against 'neo-isolationism' … a line universally understood as a shot at [libertarian-leaning Sen. Rand] Paul. Bush also pushed back on Democratic attacks that whenever a Republican calls for a more activist foreign policy that they are 'warmongering.'"
Jun 20, 2015 | Right Web - Institute for Policy Studies
Foreign Policy Views and Clues

Although he rarely comments on foreign policy, Bush has appeared to embrace neoconservatives who supported his brother's administration, inviting them to serve as his advisers, parroting their complaints about the Obama administration, promoting their current policy objectives, and defending many of their past debacles, like the Iraq War.

He has said that he does not think that "the military option should ever be taken off the table" with respect to Iran and that Obama administration policies on Iran had "empower[ed] bad behavior in Tehran."[8]

Bush has repeatedly defended the decision to invade Iraq. He told CNN in March 2013: "A lot of things in history change over time. I think people will respect the resolve that my brother showed, both in defending the country and the war in Iraq."[9]

More recently, in May 2015, when asked by Fox News pundit Megyn Kelly if he would have authorized the Iraq War "knowing what we know now," Bush replied: "I would have [authorized the invasion], and so would have Hillary Clinton, just to remind everybody. And so would almost everybody that was confronted with the intelligence they got."[10] This statement spurred widespread criticism, including among conservatives. Radio host Laura Ingram, arguing that Bush's weakness on this issue could be exploited by an election opponent, quipped: "We can't stay in this re-litigating the Bush years again. You have to have someone who says look I'm a Republican, but I'm not stupid." She added: "You can't still think that going into Iraq, now, as a sane human being, was the right thing to do. If you do, there has to be something wrong with you," she added.[11]

Many writers have argued that Bush's national ambitions will inevitably suffer from his association with his brother, whom Jeb has pointedly refused to criticize. Saying he didn't believe "there's any Bush baggage at all," Jeb Bush predicted in March 2013 that "history will be kind to George W. Bush." This led The Daily Beast's Peter Beinart to quip, "Unfortunately for Jeb, history is written by historians," who have generally given the Bush administration poor reviews. "That's why Jeb Bush will never seriously challenge for the presidency," Beinart concluded, "because to seriously challenge for the presidency, a Republican will have to pointedly distance himself from Jeb's older brother. No Republican will enjoy credibility as a deficit hawk unless he or she acknowledges that George W. Bush squandered the budget surplus he inherited. No Republican will be able to promise foreign-policy competence unless he or she acknowledges the Bush administration's disastrous mismanagement in Afghanistan and Iraq. … Jeb Bush would find that excruciatingly hard even if he wanted to."[12]

Bush has made several explicit gestures indicating his commitment to continue his brother's track record, particularly on foreign policy. In February 2015, his campaign announced 21 foreign policy experts who will guide him on foreign policy issues. The vast majority were veterans of the George W. Bush administration, like Paul Wolfowitz, Stephen Hadley, Michael Chertoff, John Negroponte, Otto Reich, and [13] George W. Bush Deputy National Security Adviser Meghan O'Sullivan has been mentioned as a possible "top foreign-policy aide."[14]

"Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush … is seeking to distinguish his views on foreign policy from those of his father and brother, two former presidents," reported the Washington Post, "but he's getting most of his ideas from nearly two dozen people, most of whom previously worked for George H. W. Bush and George W. Bush."[15]

Many observers have surmised that Bush's emphatic support for his brother is the result of him attempting to win the support of Sheldon Adelson. Bush is believed to have received the ire of Adelson after he included in his list of foreign policy advisers former Secretary of State James Baker, a realist who has been critical of Israel on several occasions.

"The bad blood between Bush and Adelson is relatively recent," wrote the conservative National Review in May 2015, "and it deepened with the news that former secretary of state James Baker, a member of Bush's foreign-policy advisory team, was set to address J Street, a left-wing pro-Israel organization founded to serve as the antithesis to the hawkish American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC)."[16]

The National Review piece went on: "Adelson sent word to Bush's camp in Miami: Bush, he said, should tell Baker to cancel the speech. When Bush refused, a source describes Adelson as "rips***"; another says Adelson sent word that the move cost the Florida governor 'a lot of money.'"[17] (At around the same time the rupture with Adelson was reported, Bush publicly disavowed Baker, saying that he would not be a part of his foreign policy team.[18])

During the April 2015 Republican Jewish Coalition-hosted "Adelson primary" in Las Vegas, Salon reported, Adelson "devoted a night to honoring Bush's brother George W. for all he'd done for Israel and the Middle East." Salon added: "The Las Vegas mogul and Israel hawk thus took Bush's biggest political problem-his brother-and made him an asset."[19]

In May 2015, at a meeting with wealthy investors hosted by "pro-Israel" billionaire Paul Singer, Bush unequivocally expressed his attention to follow his brother's advice on issues related to Israel and the Middle East. "If you want to know who I listen to for advice, it's him," Bush said at the event.[20]

In March 2014, Bush and several other potential candidates were also received by Adelson at a Republican Jewish Coalition gathering at a Las Vegas hangar owned by Adelson's Sands Corporation, which papers dubbed the "Adelson primary." According to attendees, Bush gave a speech largely focused on domestic issues but also criticized the Obama administration's foreign policy-a key issue for Adelson, who is fiercely "pro-Israel." In his foreign policy remarks, Bush warned about the dangers of "American passivity" and, according to Time, "cautioned the Republican party against 'neo-isolationism' … a line universally understood as a shot at [libertarian-leaning Sen. Rand] Paul. Bush also pushed back on Democratic attacks that whenever a Republican calls for a more activist foreign policy that they are 'warmongering.'"[21]

The remarks-which the Washington Post described as "muscular if generic"[22]-appeared to be well received by the attendees and seemed to demonstrate that Bush identified more with the party's interventionist wing than with its rising libertarian faction on foreign policy.[23]

At one point in the late 1990s, Bush seemed to have been considered a potentially more influential political ally than his brother by the neoconservatives who founded the Project for the New American Century (PNAC). Commenting on the signatories to PNAC's 1997 founding statement of principles, Jim Lobe and Michael Flynn wrote: "Ironically, virtually the only signatory who has not played a leading role since the letter was released has been Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, who in 1997 apparently looked to [William] Kristol and [Robert] Kagan more presidential than his brother George."[24]

[Jun 19, 2015] The Undiplomatic Diplomat

Since the fall of the Soviet Union liberated Americans from our fear of nuclear Armageddon, the foreign policy of the United States has come to rely almost exclusively on economic sanctions, military deterrence, and the use of force. Coercion replaced diplomacy and for some reason several female psychopaths was selected to implement this policy. all of them were single trick ponies: "my way or highway" was the only method they have in their arsenal. For a while it produced results because dominance of the USA after 1991, but since 2008 with crisis of neoliberalism, it started to produce the level hate which became a became factor limiting possibilities of the USA to conduct foreign policy. As the result, as Chas Freena noted in The American Conservative, "The United States has forfeited its capacity to pursue American interests through negotiated solutions." Andrew Bacevich promoted the same thesis even earlier in his book The Limits of Power The End of American Exceptionalism
"...This significant level of autonomy has led her interlocutors to fixate on her as a driving force of hawkishness within the Obama administration, whether fairly or not."
"..."Many Europeans, and certainly Moscow, hate Nuland, which is just one more reason why her political base on Capitol Hill adores her," said a congressional aide familiar with the issue."
"...While policy differences like this one account for some of the bad blood between Nuland and her European counterparts, her tough style clearly plays a role as well."
Jun 19, 2015 | Foreign Policy

...In interviews with Foreign Policy, her European colleagues have described her as "brash," "direct," "forceful," "blunt," "crude," and occasionally, "undiplomatic." But they also stressed that genuine policy differences account for their frustrations with her - in particular, her support for sending arms to Ukraine as the country fends off a Russian-backed rebellion, a policy not supported by the White House.

"She doesn't engage like most diplomats," said a European official. "She comes off as rather ideological."

While European complaints about Nuland's diplomatic style are genuine and fairly ubiquitous, she has also been dealt an incredibly difficult hand.

Nuland frequently meets with senior European leaders who outrank her and delivers messages they often don't want to hear.

In a crisis of this magnitude, many of these delicate tasks would traditionally get kicked up to Nuland's boss, the undersecretary of state for political affairs, Wendy Sherman. But Sherman has been saddled with the momentous job of leading the U.S. negotiating team in the Iran nuclear talks, giving Nuland an unusual degree of latitude and influence for an assistant secretary.

This significant level of autonomy has led her interlocutors to fixate on her as a driving force of hawkishness within the Obama administration, whether fairly or not.

"Many Europeans, and certainly Moscow, hate Nuland, which is just one more reason why her political base on Capitol Hill adores her," said a congressional aide familiar with the issue.

In Europe, Nuland is widely presumed to be the leading advocate for shipping weapons to Kiev - a proposal bitterly opposed by the Germans, Hungarians, Italians, and Greeks who fear setting off a wider conflict with Moscow.

The White House has also argued against providing lethal assistance to Kiev because Moscow enjoys what's known as "escalation dominance," or the ability to outmatch and overwhelm Ukrainian forces regardless of the type of assistance the United States would provide.

Nuland is not the only Obama administration official who has supported arming Ukraine, but in Europe, she has become the face of this policy, thanks to a pivotal event that occurred in February during the annual Munich Security Conference.

At the outset of the forum, Nuland and Gen. Philip Breedlove delivered an off-the-record briefing to the visiting U.S. delegation, which included about a dozen U.S. lawmakers in the House and Senate. Unbeknownst to Nuland and Breedlove, a reporter from the German newspaper Bild snuck into the briefing room and published a report that reverberated across Germany but gained little to no traction in English-language media.

The report said Nuland and Breedlove were pressing U.S. lawmakers to support the shipment of defensive weapons to Ukraine and belittling the diplomatic efforts German Chancellor Angela Merkel and French President François Hollande were making in Russia.

"We would not be in the position to supply so many weapons that Ukraine could defeat Russia. That is not our goal," Breedlove was quoted as saying. "But we must try to raise the price for Putin on the battlefield."

Nuland reportedly added, "I would like to urge you to use the word 'defensive system' to describe what we would be delivering against Putin's offensive systems," according to a translation.

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In December, Democrats and Republicans in Congress overwhelmingly passed legislation authorizing the president to provide lethal aid to Ukraine, including ammunition, troop-operated surveillance drones, and antitank weapons. The president agreed to sign the legislation only because it did not require him to provide the aid, which he has yet to do. Trying a new tactic this week, the Senate included a provision in its military policy bill that would withhold half of the $300 million for Ukrainian security assistance until 20 percent of the funds is spent on lethal weaponry for Kiev. The provision is opposed by the White House for fear that lethal assistance would only serve to escalate the bloodshed in Ukraine and hand Putin an excuse for further violent transgressions.

While policy differences like this one account for some of the bad blood between Nuland and her European counterparts, her tough style clearly plays a role as well.

"Some tend to perceive Nuland's assertiveness as a bit too over the edge, at least for the muffled European diplomatic environment," said Federiga Bindi, a senior fellow at Johns Hopkins University's School of Advanced International Studies.

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Despite the fact that Nuland is not outside the mainstream of many State Department views on the Ukraine crisis, her reputation as the most pugnacious of hawks isn't likely to subside in the minds of Europeans anytime soon. In many ways, that's because she'll never live down the moment that made her famous: the leaking of a private phone call of her disparaging the European Union in 2014 as the political standoff between the Ukrainian opposition and former Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych unfurled.

[Jun 19, 2015] Angry Russia Will Respond In Kind To Europes Asset Seizures

Looks like checkmate for Putin from the USA geopolitical chess players...
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"...New cold war. Only this time it's the West that is banging the heel of its shoe on the podium and screaming incoherently."
Jun 19, 2015 | Zero Hedge

On Thursday, nearly 50 Belgian companies were told to disclose their Russian state assets, setting the stage for the seizure of Russian property in connection with the disputed $50 billion Yukos verdict.

In short, Russia was required to submit a plan for a €1.6 billion payment by June 15 pursuant to the 2014 arbitration court decision which found in favor of Yukos shareholders who the ECHR ruled were treated unfairly when Moscow seized the company amid allegations of fraud and other crimes. Russia appealed the ruling and lost.

Because Russia does not look set to comply, Belgium is effectively moving to enforce the ruling itself. Austria and France also moved to freeze Russian assets on Thursday.

It now appears the timing of the asset freezes was designed to stir controversy in St. Petersburg where Russia is hosting an annual business forum (described by some as a "Russian Davos) and where Greece is executing the first stages of the dreaded 'Russian pivot.'

Now, Russia looks set to retaliate, threatening to freeze Belgian, Austrian, and French assets until such a time as the countries' "illegal" actions are reversed. RT has more:

Moscow will take reciprocal action in response to the seizure of its foreign assets, Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov has warned.

"Our response would be in kind. This is inevitable. This is the only way of acting in international affairs," he told RBK-TV in an intervew.

Lavrov was commenting on the seizure in Belgium and France of Russian state-owned assets. The arrest were made on request of beneficiaries of the now-defunct oil giant Yukos, who were awarded damages from Russia by an arbitration court in The Hague. Russia is in the process of challenging the ruling.

The minister added that his priority in this situation now is to unfreeze the accounts of the Russian Embassy in Belgium.

The freezing of diplomats' accounts "absolutely goes against the Vienna accords on foreign relations that guarantee the immunity of diplomatic assets, real estate and corresponding things. Belgian foreign ministry officials are indicating to us that they were not aware of it," Lavrov said. "We don't accept these explanations."

And here's FT with the opposing viewpoint...

Tim Osborne, director of GML, the former Yukos holding company, told the Financial Times he was aware of the French and Belgian moves but could not confirm exactly what had been frozen.

The assets had been "attached" to GML's claim to get the Yukos ruling enforced, to ensure they could not be moved abroad before legal hearings expected within the next year.

"We still have to convince a legal court [in these countries] that our arbitration award should be recognised as the equivalent of a judgment in their court, so they can enforce it," he said.

"We remain confident that we will win, and that we will collect if not all, then a substantial part, of the award - but it will take time."

Mr Osborne said GML had started similar steps to get the UK and US to recognise the arbitration panel award but other countries had different asset seizure rules.

Andrei Belousov, an economic aide to Vladimir Putin, Russian president, told the St Petersburg forum that the country planned to appeal against the award. "We are concerned. We expect a number of countries to take similar measures," he said.

...and here's a bit more from Bloomberg (note the bit about holding Russian reserves outside of US and EU assets):

Russia is bracing for more foreign asset seizures in a clash over the defunct Yukos Oil Co. after France and Belgium began enforcing a $50 billion damages award.

The Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague ruled last July that Russia is liable to pay almost half of the $103 billion plus interest sought by GML Ltd., a holding company belonging to four former owners who don't include Khodorkovsky.

Russia's appeal of the decision may be heard in November, Finance Minister Anton Siluanov told reporters, while Ulyukayev ruled out paying the damages. Lawyers and government agencies are studying the Belgian ruling, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters.

While the asset freezes are unlikely to affect the Bank of Russia's international reserves, keeping the cash pile outside of U.S. or EU assets is under consideration, Siluanov said. "No such decision has been taken so far, we believe that we can keep the existing structure for now," he said.

The Yukos plaintiffs are targeting Russian government assets in France and Belgium that aren't protected by diplomatic immunity in a process that could take years to resolve, GML Director Tim Osborne said by phone from London.

"We are not in this for a Pyrrhic victory," he said. "We haven't ruled out other jurisdictions, but they will be more difficult" because of local laws on asset seizure.

Given the timing (see above) and given the situation in Ukraine and Moscow's rapidly deteriorating 'relationship' (if you can call it that) with Washington and NATO, one cannot help but wonder if Europe is set to use the Yukos case as yet another tool for applying political pressure to the Kremlin. After all, the stage is already set for stepped up economic sanctions and the EU has filed anti-trust charges against Gazprom (even as the energy giant inked an MOU in St. Petersburg on Thursday to double the capacity of what is effectively a Ukraine bypass line). Needless to say, if GML is successful at convincing the US and/or the UK to enforce the ECHR ruling via similar confiscations, things could get very interesting, very quickly.

NoDebt

New cold war. Only this time it's the West that is banging the heel of its shoe on the podium and screaming incoherently.

Latina Lover

The western banksters are getting increasingly desperate. Stealing Russia's assets in Europe via a EU kangaroo court will further increase Putins support, as even more Russians realize they are at war with the USSA/EU.

The actions was launched to piss on Putin at the Russian Economic Forum, but also to distract the sheeple from the Grexit.

froze25

Bilderberg just finished up, the bankster troops have their marching orders. Let the games begin. I would stock up on canned goods and water quickly. Ammo too.

Truthseeker2

Anglo-American Axis Wages Financial/Economic War Against Russia

froze25
This really does suck, economic war almost always proceeds a shooting one.
eclectic syncretist
One has to wonder if the banksters have completely forgotten how vilified thier brethen have been historically. Do they really suppose that they can use media control and propaganda to hide all the crimes they are committing to try and retain and expand their power?
Latina Lover
Stealing Russia's assets is a desperate move to prop up the failing central bankster ponzi system. Without new assets, the ponzi scheme will collapse.

Savyindallas

They have no choice. They have pretty much looted and stolen all there is to steal from their own people.


the phantom

After the Hague judgement, Putin's close advisor said," There is a war coming in Europe, do you think this matters?"

Latina Lover

The USSA and her EU puppet are already at war with Russia. Sanctions are an act of war.

Savyindallas

They have no choice. They have pretty much looted and stolen all there is to steal from their own people.


Save_America1st

Then WWIII has really already started...started back in 2008 maybe??? But what's going to happen after WWIII?

Remember what Einstein said?:
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
He may have been one war off...we now know WWIII is a financial/economic/currency war. Looks like the West is going to lose it badly, too.

If we're driven into WWIV after that with full on nukes and everything else, then WWV (5) will be fought with sticks and stones...if there's even a world left after that.

Man Who Was Thursday

Anyone read the Vienna Convention on Foreign Relations? The freezing "diplomats' accounts" is prohibited but "State assets" is not explicity prohibited.

Maybe they did freeze diplomat's accounts and spin it to "State assets".

Fri, 06/19/2015 - 09:54 | 6213669 Brazen Heist

Even a 15 year old can see this was a politicized move made in distaste. So far I see its the Western governments that are the offensive ones, the ones losing control, the ones having a go and playing with fire...they are desperate for conflict....Russia, China just react defensively to this shit-slinging, and get lambasted by the "free" press for standing up to the shit show narrative most sheeple are expected to swallow.

Fri, 06/19/2015 - 10:15 | 6213743 Savyindallas

As can be seen here on ZH, more and more people in the West are siding with Russia, as we see the insanity of Western governments that are acting against the best interests of their own people. Here in America we are saddled with tens of trillions of debt that eventually must be repaid -all for the benefit of billionaire Oligarchs who have been looting this country. Same goes for Europe. And what is the Oligarchs solution? -massive third world immigration to balkanize the western nations in their strategy of divide and conqu -and the establishment of a Police State to control the civil unrest which is to come. .

Augustus

The western banksters are getting increasingly desperate. Stealing Russia's assets in Europe via a EU kangaroo court will further increase Putins support, as even more Russians realize they are at war with the USSA/EU. The actions was launched to piss on Putin at the Russian Economic Forum, but also to distract the sheeple from the Grexit.

More of the same horse shit from a Moscow based Puutie Paid Puppy.

If Puutie wants to respond in kind, he will first need to get an international court to rule in his favor.

That seems unlikely as the thieving communist has screwed international investors time after time and time again. It is not stealing from Russia when the different countries take action to enforce a court ruling awarding compensation for the takings of this kleptocrat totalitarian. His screaming about havving to pay for what he has stolen is the normal response of a thief facing consequences. Russia is the land of kangaroo courts with all major rulings being dictated by Moscow. It is the land where defense attorneys are jailed and left to die without medical care.

All crooks squeal like pigs when apprehended. Puutie is following the normal pattern.

Stumpy4516

From Latina: "The western banksters are getting increasingly desperate"

Replace confident with desperate. Maybe overconfident. The firm slaps across Putin's face have gotten more frequent and more obvious. This is occuring because Russia has been unwilling to take a stand since Cuba. The only credit I will give Russia is that they supported the Viet's and even piloted some of their jets. Other than that Russia has been bullied and pushed around, Russia has not only allowed it's allies to be destroyed but has assisted in their destruction.

The lack of action and the actions of cooperation tend to indicate there is a Russian elite that has mixed loyalties. Including Putin.

tmosley

I wonder how much French, Belgian, and Dutch money is in Russia? Probably more than $51.5 billion, I would think.

youngman

I would think there are far more Russian assets in the Western world than there is Western assets in Russia...anyone with money in Russia...takes it out...Putin has to many times just taken your assets...this oil company is just one example....let alone the Corrupt government employees will take you assets until you pay them off....So i think the west wins this fight...

This is one big reason Russia is still a third world country..all of the wealth leaves....if they were encouraged to reinvest i Russia..it would be a much better country....more jobs and better quality of life

TahoeBilly2012

Yea but when the SHTF the only thing that counts is water, food and oil, of which Russia has PLENTY and Europe and the US are missing a few items, unless the US is hiding oil discoveries, which we may be.

samjam7

Check out this link that's where you can see that there is way more European investment in Russia than vice versa. This shows you FDI stock originating from the EU-27 to various countries when looking at 'outward' and looking at 'inward' you see what other countries have invested in the EU-27. It is in billions of Euros.

http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/images/4/48/Top_10_cou...

Impoverished Ps...

This is a dollar war, the power of the almighty $ is being challenged by the BRICS and the $ regime will ALWAYS retaliate.

[Jun 19, 2015] Resistance of suvereign state or rebellion of a vassal of the USA

tertiaroma.livejournal.com
Article of P. Akopova contains interesting thought, You need to read it fully to appreciate them.

The goal of the West disclosed correctly, but can the Russian Federation in the current form confront a new "crusade"?

After all, if the Russian elite has positioned the West as the enemy, as it in reality is to the Russian state, bothe the current contnt and the vector of the Russian economy would be quite different. In a condition, which would at least make the economic and financial arsenal of the West less effective.

But in reality Russian ruling nomenclature suffering from pro-Western mentality tried to srengthen their defences indiscriminatly in all directions, including to the military (while the main blow that are coming are financial), and to increase the patriotism of the population by the projection of the President as an indepencent political figure fighting dictat of the West. While in reality Putin is the politician who underestimated the antagonism of the West and after first negative raction from the West fell into what can be called the "Ukrainian prostration"?

If so, then there are only two ways out of this situation: either the delivery of the fiefdom to ht eUSA as a king, or the transformation of a fiefdom in the sovereign state.

[Jun 19, 2015] Confiscation of Russian state property in West has hidden goals

Jun 19, 2015 | vz.ru

No matter how successful would be the attempts to seize Russian property in Belgium, it is clear that begins a new stage of Western attack on Russia. The state arrested during the war, but we are in a state of geopolitical conflict. The excuse now selected for arrest, completely unimportant to block Russia will use any reasons.

Dismantle the legal niceties of what happened in Belgium and in France, but for trees it is important to see the forest. The problem is not that, most likely, the current attempt of arrest of property of Russia on the claim of Yukos, based on last year's decision of the arbitration court in the Hague, will not be successful, but more important is that the topic of confiscation of Russian property in the West has moved from the theoretical to the practical.


"The attempted arrest of the Russian property pursued a number of important goals"

The coincidence of this event with the launch of the St. Petersburg economic forum by accident, but more than symbolic. While the political and business elite of most European countries are looking for ways of combining Atlantic solidarity and national interests, that is, sanctions against Russia and preserving relations with her, supranational, Atlantic forces are at work on the widening gap between Europe and Moscow, creating new obstacles to save their relationship.

Another piece of information that appeared simultaneously with Belgian history, gives an idea about the next steps to isolate Russia from Europe – New York Times talks about the contents of the new package of sanctions against Moscow, agreed by the EU and the USA. It will be adopted much faster previous, report sources – in the case of the Ukrainian separatists by Moscow and the rebel advance into Ukraine". Considering that the continuing civil war in Ukraine is, unfortunately, only a matter of time, we can say that these sanctions will inevitably be introduced against Russia.

The contents of the new package is known in General terms, but it is impressive – the sanctions "can lead to restriction of export of fuel from Russia", "Russian banks will lose the opportunity to conduct a number of international financial transactions", and "some businesses will not be able to participate in transactions abroad." And in the case of "serious breaches" will be imposed tough financial sanctions, including the shutdown of a number of Russian banks from the SWIFT system. In addition, the U.S. insists on the adoption of restrictive measures against foreign subsidiaries of Russian companies, and also against new sectors of the economy (including against the mining industry and mechanical engineering). Restrictions in the energy sector include sanctions against businesses engaged in the exploration for gas or the production and commissioning of equipment for production and transportation of shale oil, reports RBC with reference to AP.

But if new sanctions require still agreeing on the level of heads of governments of all European countries and the USA will not be so easy to achieve that even in case of resumption of war in Ukraine measures, similar to the arrest of the Russian property in Belgium, do not require such extensive work. Enough to use a few European countries – and the effect will be huge. Moreover, the attempted arrest of the Russian property pursue several objectives.

  • First, of course, to exert psychological pressure on the Kremlin – Atlanticists still do not exclude that the increased pressure on Russia will lead to changes in our Ukrainian politics, to put it simply, to the fact that Moscow will agree to atlantisal of Ukraine. The fact that it is impossible in principle for Russia, I understand not all supporters of the isolation of our country. And if so to press – maybe it will be last drop, after which Putin will decide that enough is enough: such considerations seem delusional, but actually exist in Atlantic elite.
  • Secondly, the threat of arrest jeopardizes any economic ties between Europe and Russia – both existing and future. What contracts, what supplies (in both directions), if tomorrow in Holland or Germany would be arrested accounts or products paid by Russia or from Russia. What then accounts will be unlocked, and the property is released, not a comforting thought – who would want to risk, to bear the loss and nervous? The claim of Yukos – a convenient excuse to arrest in France, Germany, not to mention the UK or the USA. It's like a minefield, you never know, pass it or not – it is important to make any Western businessman to be afraid to even step on it. And to remove it from Russian, and so it is of limited sanctions.
  • Thirdly, it is an attempt to provoke Russia to retaliate. That is, for the arrest or even the confiscation of the property of those Western countries which will decide on the arrest of the Russian property. This would be a major step towards the ultimate isolation of Russia from Europe – and it is clear that Moscow is well aware. But while it would be assumed that until when will the first real case of arrest of the Russian property with counter no need to hurry in order not to be consumed.

You can, of course, wonder, and a large Western business that wants to work with Russia, how his interests? Did he not will to protest against the attempt to deprive him of favorable contacts and profits? It is not only national business from individual European countries, but also the largest supranational corporations, like BP, have large interests in Russia.

The answer is very simple – in the era of globalization, as indeed in any other, is not ruled by big money, and not even the lust for profit, and the elite of geopolitics, people who have strategic power, those who are planning for a long time, and doing it from generation to generation. The Atlanticists, the backbone of the supranational Western elites, understand the seriousness of the challenge posed by Russia of their global project. Yes, now Russia is still weak in order again, as a century ago, to become an alternative to them, but have the audacity to stifle in the Bud – that's why none of "having the right" by and large does not care about the profits, lost on the Russian direction of any Bank or Corporation.

After all, if now not to return Russia to the bullpen, then the losses will be much greater – the changed geopolitical situation will inevitably lead to loss of control of the commodity and money flows, and hence to financial losses. And what is money in comparison with the power, the more global. Especially in the West know Russia must be very careful.

Many in the West are very sorry that we failed to strangle the Communist project in the Bud, during the civil war – and then had 70 years to suffer. With the current "Putin's Russia" they don't want a repeat of those mistakes. Intervention is not possible now, but the economic war will gain momentum. In war as in war you have to be ready for anything.

[Jun 18, 2015]Russia might once again lose

Jun 17, 2015 | inosmi.ru / Reflex, Czech Republic

She might exhaust itself, and it will only exacerbate her problems

The days of the old cold war back.

...Despite the fact that Putin constantly talks about how strong the military forces of Russia, and what they can do in the encounter with the West, Russia will once again lose because they can't match the Western power, neither economically, nor scientifically, nor technologicaly. She just does not have enough resources in order to gain strategic advantage. In addition to West Russia should pay attention to the East, because China is arming itself with such a speed that Putin can't dream about.

... China has increased its military budget is already $ 216 billion. And Saudi Arabia invested almost the same amount as Moscow (almost 81 billion dollars). And another comparison that should be alerted Russia: if the US 610 billion dollars in weapons is 3.5% of GDP, the Russian 84,5 billion of 4.5% of the GDP of this country. Financial burden for Russian is much more tangible.

...the West still has the NATO Alliance. which today it is the main military force of the world, despite the fact that sometimes it seems that NATO members can't agree on some important issues.

... ... ...

Original publication: Rusko svůj souboj se Západem opět nevyhraje, bude uzbrojeno a prohloubí tím své problémy

Posted: 17/06/2015 16:11

[Jun 18, 2015] Russia promises tit for tat punishment against Belgium, if the latter carries through with its threats

"... the problem here is that the West has already claimed use of the national security get out clause to put sanctions on Russia in the first place, which Russia can of course claim too."

Jun 18, 2015 | marknesop.wordpress.com

Fern, June 18, 2015 at 6:09 am

Following on from the posts on page 1 of this thread concerning Russian assets in Belgium being seized on behalf of those poor Yukos shareholders, money has also been frozen in French banks. This is nothing more than outright theft – quite shocking. Western values in action.

ThatJ, June 18, 2015 at 6:59 am

Khodorkovsky is a Rothschild protégé:

But there was more. Khodorkovsky built some impressive ties in the West. With his new billions in effect stolen from the Russian people, he made some powerful friends. He set up a foundation modeled on US billionaire George Soros' Open Society, calling it the Open Russia Foundation. He invited two powerful Westerners to its board-Henry Kissinger and Jacob Lord Rothschild.

Khodorkovsky, Soros, Kissinger and Rothschild are all God's Chosen People.

During the ensuing Russian state prosecution of Yukos, it came to light that Khodorkovsky had also secretly made a contract with London's Lord Rothschild not merely to support Russian culture via the Open Russia Foundation of Khodorkovsky. In the event of his possible arrest (Khodorkovsky evidently knew he was playing a high-risk game trying to create a coup against Putin) the 40% share of his Yukos stocks would pass into the hands of Lord Rothschild.

http://www.voltairenet.org/article168007.html

Russia is playing with fire and considering the players in question she will most likely get burnt. The central role played by the Rothschilds in the banking sector, that most parasitic but profitable business, for the last two centuries is well known. They are an energic bunch and their agents of influence are everywhere. Orders can be given from the above - starting from the highest ranks - until the "message" reaches the unsuspecting subordinates, which it invariably does. After all, these are the people who bought the elections of an American president who dutifully kept his part of the bargain by granting the Rothschilds & fellow travellers the Federal Reserve that they have long dreamed.

They have money. They have the proverbial "printing press". Together, they have a bottomless pocket to fund political opponents, NGOs and back them with a servile media. In short, they have a myriad of options to threaten one's political career.

Terje , June 18, 2015 at 7:15 am

Looking at the Khodorkovsky Twitter account I see he has a gap between the 11 and 15 of June, coinciding with the Bilderberg meeting in Austria. The rest of the year there is normally at least one post every day. A not unreasonable guess would be that he was at the conference without being announced.

Fern , June 18, 2015 at 10:10 am

Terje, great detective work! I suspect you're right – wow, what a future is being planned for Russia.

marknesop , June 18, 2015 at 11:22 am

Seconded – that was pretty clever. Doesn't rise to the level of proof, of course, but it is a step away from the pattern and might be more than coincidence. I would not be at all surprised if your guess is accurate.

karl1haushofer , June 18, 2015 at 1:24 pm

Russians, read this:
Rule #1. Don't you put money to western banks.
Rule #2. Don't buy property from the West.

Problem solved.

yalensis, June 18, 2015 at 4:35 pm

Russia promises tit for tat punishment against Belgium, if the latter carries through with its threats.

On Thursday, Russian Foreign Minister called Belgium Ambassador Alex Van Meeuwen to the carpet and berated him.
Russia threatenend to confiscate Belgian property in Russia, in retaliation.

Meanwhile, France is acting in tandem with Belgium to attack Russia. There were reports that France has gone after the offices of "Russia Today" and the TV channel for RT.

Analysts say there is plenty of Belgium property in Russia, which could be confiscated in retaliation, and that Belgium could feel significant pain, if they don't back off.

Ditto goes for French property.

Furthermore, Article 8, Paragraph #1 of Russian law on foreign investments, foresees the possibility, under exceptional conditions, of nationalising and confiscating property of foreign companies.

Russia has the ability to freeze foreign accounts and also freeze the flow of profits to the host country, from companies that operate on Russian soil.
To get the biggest bang for the buck, Russia would focus on companies which have billions of dollars invested in the Russian economy.

Examples of possible targets:

Other Belgian companies which invest in Russia includes pharmaceuticals, chocolate, construction, etc.

French business is even more widespread in Russia, and there is a lot of money at stake.
For example, the French bank Societe Generale is a main shareholder in Rosbank.

Other major French companies include Renault and Peugeot-Citroen (automobiles).
Also Dannon yogurt, L'Oréal cosmetics, and other big names.

Analysts warn, that the freezing of French assets in Russia could lead to the loss (by the French) of several tens of billions of euros.

Bring it on, Frenchies….

et Al, June 19, 2015 at 6:47 am

euractiv: France, Belgium seize Russian assets to compensate Yukos shareholders
http://www.euractiv.com/sections/europes-east/france-belgium-seize-russian-assets-compensate-yukos-shareholders-315550

…In France, accounts in around 40 banks were frozen along with eight or nine buildings, Tim Osborne, executive director of the main shareholder GML, told AFP.

"It's bank accounts and real estate," Osborne explained…

…In Belgium, the Russian embassy in Brussels and representative offices at the European Union and NATO headquarters were among those affected, the Russian foreign ministry said….

…GML's Osborne said that proceedings were "already underway in Britain and the United States and further countries will follow"….

…Despite not being involved, Khodorkovsky welcomed the move in relation to the Russian assets in Belgium….

…The Belgian foreign ministry said the seizures had been conducted by bailiffs without the involvement of the Belgian government.

"It's a legal decision which was executed by bailiffs. We were not informed by the bailiffs' office, we do not intervene," ministry spokesman Hendrik Van de Velde told AFP.

The Permanent Court of Arbitration declined to comment on the issue…
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Convenient timing, no? I think the calculus here is that the West sees Russia bending over backwards to accommodate ongoing business and investments in Russia, so any Russian counter action that hits western business assets in Russia would directly affect the business climate and direct investment in Russia. A game of chicken if you will.

Russia has no choice (ok, well it does) but to hit back, but I think it should hit back very hard and very selectively, particularly the big western corporations that have sunk large captial in to Russia and can weather the impact over the short term. Targeting western corporations that compete with domestic Russian industry would make sense too. You can bet though that the West will quickly go squealing to the WTO – the problem here is that the West has already claimed use of the national security get out clause to put sanctions on Russia in the first place, which Russia can of course claim too.

The problem here is that the West would argue that this is a purely commercial dispute, even though the court ruled Russia was acting politically. This is short-sighted (aka standard western policy) as it would damage the credibility of the WTO as an global organization that is supposed to be even handed (and one that the West created in its own image to maintain their dominance through globalization). The thing is that it doesn't matter if the West says the WTO is independent and impartial (yup, the Ukraine joined long before Russia was allowed to), but how everyone outside the West thinks it is behaving. That's one big nail in the WTO.

Over all, it looks like the West's traditional methods of carrot and stick are becoming less and less effective and it is increasingly resorting to more desperate measure that ultimately undermine the West's own carefully crafted system. We see this militarily with NATO and the US generals talking about returning IRBMs and nukes to Europe, politically with 'casting Russia out of the International community', and of course economically in this and other cases. These elites never pay for their failures unfortunately and just quite politics and go in to consultancy for business…

[Jun 17, 2015] Washington Prepares to Fight for Donetsk

"...There are valid arguments on both sides but you don't get to walk this back. Once we have done this we become a belligerent party in a proxy war with Russia, the only country on earth that can destroy the United States. That's why this is a big deal." "
Jun 17, 2015 | The American Conservative
Washington Prepares to Fight for Donetsk (and Ignore Baltimore) The American Conservative

Jacob Heilbrunn has an extremely suggestive article in the latest National Interest which reminds readers that neoconservatives essentially began as critics of Great Society liberalism and elite reluctance to defend bourgeois standards and law and order in the 1960s. Heilbrunn has written one of the finest books about neoconservatism, and is generally a nuanced critic of the group. But one need not go full bore with Norman Podhoretz-type linkages between homosexuality, cultural decay, and Munich to recognize that the neocons were right about many things, and law and order in American cities was one of them. In any case, Heilbrunn reminds us that Bill Kristol (son of Irving, founder of The Public Interest, a magazine devoted to domestic policy) tweeted out in the aftermath of the Ferguson riots (the second set, not the first) that it felt like 1968 all over again and some politician would do well to speak, a la Richard Nixon, for the silent American majority which was not anti-cop. In this case, Kristol was probably right.

It is also is apparent that no major politician right, center, or left has yet risen to take the bait. Of course they all want to be "tough"-but always somewhere else in the world. Neoconservatism has prevailed, but only in foreign policy. Today the target is Vladimir Putin and Russia, and everyone in Washington agrees he needs to be taught a lesson. Congress voted last week voted to compel the administration to provide lethal weapons to Ukraine, including offensive weapons-against the administration's judgment. The Times story noted that the arms shipments would open a rift between the Washington and France and Germany, which are hesitant about any measure which would escalate the fighting. It would seem that Congress has bought whole hog into the Wolfowitz doctrine, widely derided as extremist when it was leaked in 1992, according to which the United States should maintain dominance in every region of the world, and that no other nation should aspire to a greater role, even in its own geographic area.

Major European governments are now doing their best to circumvent anti-Russian sanctions which they themselves instituted. European publics make it clear that they are not willing to fight Russia over the disposition of the territories of the former Soviet Union. The cease-fire between Ukraine and its rebellious Russian-backed eastern provinces that was negotiated last February has been violated repeatedly, and Putin has called openly for the West to persuade Ukraine's central government to follow its provisions. It's not clear how many American congressmen voting for giving Ukraine offensive weapons understand the implications of their weapons policy, which were spelled out by the Kennan Institute's Matthew Rojansky:

There are valid arguments on both sides but you don't get to walk this back. Once we have done this we become a belligerent party in a proxy war with Russia, the only country on earth that can destroy the United States. That's why this is a big deal.

A proxy war with Russia, over Russian borderlands not one American in a hundred could locate on a map-it's really the full triumph of Wolfowitz. Not to be outdone by Congress, the Obama administration is now floating plans to deliver tanks and other heavy weapons, along with token numbers of American troops, to several of our new NATO "allies," the former Soviet republics of Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania. Those governments will inevitably conclude that Washington has their back in any conflict with Russia and act accordingly. See Georgia, 2008, for an example of how this might play out.

There is something about Ukraine and the other Russian border regions which Europeans seem to understand and Americans don't. Much of the "Maidan Revolution" was driven by ethnic Ukrainian nationalists with deep hatred for Russia; while it's not a universal sentiment, many Ukrainians despise all things Russian, including their own compatriots who identify with Russia. They want nothing more than to draw the West into a war against their ancestral enemy. The newly minted anti-Russian regime in Kiev is the fruit of American "pro-democracy" meddling involving billions of dollars of payouts to private groups and individuals, the kind of thing the CIA used to do during the Cold War. Of course because of its proximity to an unsettled region, the new Ukrainian government can find endless ways to keep the pot boiling–shelling their own civilians in Donetsk, or instituting a blockade against Transnistria , a pro-Russian breakaway province of Moldova. The average American may not know much about Transnistria-or indeed likely has never heard of it at all-but you can be assured that Putin does care about keeping the small Russian garrison stationed there supplied.

This is neoconservatism's triumph: the creation of an entire Beltway industry, honeycombed through Congress and largely bipartisan, which finds political life not worth living without the prospect of confrontation with a distant enemy. The notion of treating Russia as a great power, acknowledging that Russia has serious security interests on its borders and treating those interests respectfully, does not occur to its members. Detente for them is a dirty word, akin to appeasement.

[Jun 15, 2015] Snowden, Putin, Greece It's All The Same Story

"...In short, the propaganda we should be worried about is not Russia's, it's our own. And it comes from just about every news article we're fed. We're much less than six degrees removed from Orwell."
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"...Western journalists claim that the big lesson they learned from their key role in selling the Iraq War to the public is that it's hideous, corrupt and often dangerous journalism to give anonymity to government officials to let them propagandize the public, then uncritically accept those anonymously voiced claims as Truth. But they've learned no such lesson. That tactic continues to be the staple of how major US and British media outlets "report," especially in the national security area. And journalists who read such reports continue to treat self-serving decrees by unnamed, unseen officials – laundered through their media – as gospel, no matter how dubious are the claims or factually false is the reporting."
Jun 15, 2015 | Zero Hedge

Submitted by Raul Ilargi Meijer via The Automatic Earth blog,

Through the last decades, as we have been getting ever more occupied trying to be what society tells us is defined as successful, we all missed out on a lot of changes in our world. Or perhaps we should be gentle to ourselves and say we're simply slow to catch up.

Which is somewhat curious since we've also been getting bombarded with fast increasing amounts of what we're told is information, so you'd think it might have become easier to keep up. It was not.

While we were busy being busy we for instance were largely oblivious to the fact the US is no longer a beneficial force in the world, and that it doesn't spread democracy or freedom. Now you may argue to what extent that has ever been true, and you should, but the perception was arguably much closer to the truth 70 years ago, at the end of WWII, then it is today.

Another change we really can't get our heads around is how the media have turned from a source of information to a source of – pre-fabricated – narratives. We'll all say to some extent or another that we know our press feeds us propaganda, but, again arguably, few of us are capable of pinpointing to what extent that is true. Perhaps no big surprise given the overdose of what passes for information, but duly noted.

So far so good, you're not as smart as you think. Bummer. But still an easy one to deny in the private space of your own head. If you get undressed and stand in front of the mirror, though, maybe not as easy.

What ails us is, I was going to say perfectly human, but let's stick with just human, and leave perfection alone. What makes us human is that it feels good to be protected, safe, and prosperous. Protected from evil and from hard times, by a military force, by a monetary fund, by a monetary union. It feels so good in fact that we don't notice when what's supposed to keep us safe turns against us.

But it is what happens, time and again, and, once again arguably, ever more so. What we think the world looks like is increasingly shaped by fiction. Perhaps that means we live in dreamtime. Or nightmare time. Whatever you call it, it's not real. Pinching yourself is not going to help. Reading Orwell might.

The Sunday Times ran a story today -which the entire world press parroted quasi verbatim- that claimed MI6 had felt compelled to call back some of its operatives from the 'field' because Russia and China had allegedly hacked into the encrypted files Edward Snowden allegedly carried with him to Russia (something Snowden denied on multiple occasions).

Glenn Greenwald's take down of the whole thing is – for good reasons- far better than I could provide, and it's blistering, it leaves not a single shred of the article. Problem is, the die's been cast, and many more people read the Times and all the media who've reprinted its fiction, than do read Greenwald:

The Sunday Times' Snowden Story Is Journalism At Its Worst

Western journalists claim that the big lesson they learned from their key role in selling the Iraq War to the public is that it's hideous, corrupt and often dangerous journalism to give anonymity to government officials to let them propagandize the public, then uncritically accept those anonymously voiced claims as Truth. But they've learned no such lesson. That tactic continues to be the staple of how major US and British media outlets "report," especially in the national security area. And journalists who read such reports continue to treat self-serving decrees by unnamed, unseen officials – laundered through their media – as gospel, no matter how dubious are the claims or factually false is the reporting.

We now have one of the purest examples of this dynamic. Last night, the Murdoch-owned Sunday Times published their lead front-page Sunday article, headlined "British Spies Betrayed to Russians and Chinese." Just as the conventional media narrative was shifting to pro-Snowden sentiment in the wake of a key court ruling and a new surveillance law, the article claims in the first paragraph that these two adversaries "have cracked the top-secret cache of files stolen by the fugitive US whistleblower Edward Snowden, forcing MI6 to pull agents out of live operations in hostile countries, according to senior officials in Downing Street, the Home Office and the security services."

Please read Greenwald's piece. It's excellent. Turns out the Times made it all up. At the same time, it's just one example of something much more expansive: the entire world view of the vast majority of Americans and Europeans, and that means you too, is weaved together from a smorgasbord of made-up stories, narratives concocted to make you see what someone else wants you to see.

Last week, the Pew Research Center did a survey that was centered around the question what 'we' should do if a NATO ally were attacked by Russia. How Pew dare hold such a survey is for most people not even a valid question anymore, since the Putin as bogeyman tale, after a year and change, has taken root in 99% of western brains.

And so the Pew question, devoid of reality as it may be, appears more legit than the question about why the question is asked in the first place. NATO didn't really like the results of the survey, but enough to thump some more chests. Here's from an otherwise wholly forgettable NY Times piece:

Poles were most alarmed by Moscow's muscle flexing, with 70% saying that Russia was a major military threat. Germany, a critical American ally in the effort to forge a Ukraine peace settlement, was at the other end of the spectrum. Only 38% of Germans said that Russia was a danger to neighboring countries aside from Ukraine, and only 29% blamed Russia for the violence in Ukraine. Consequently, 58% of Germans do not believe that their country should use force to defend another NATO ally. Just 19% of Germans say NATO weapons should be sent to the Ukrainian government to help it better contend with Russian and separatist attacks.

Do we need to repeat that Russia didn't attack Ukraine? That if after all this time there is still zero proof for that, perhaps it's time to let go of that idea?

Over the past week, there have been numerous reports of NATO 'strengthening' its presence in Eastern Europe and the Baltics. Supposedly to deter Russian aggression in the region. For which there is no evidence. But if you ask people if NATO should act if one of its allies were attacked, you put the idea in people's heads that such an attack is a real risk. And that's the whole idea.

This crazy piece from the Guardian provides a very good example of how the mood is manipulated:

US And Poland In Talks Over Weapons Deployment In Eastern Europe

The US and Poland are discussing the deployment of American heavy weapons in eastern Europe in response to Russian expansionism and sabre-rattling in the region in what represents a radical break with post-cold war military planning. The Polish defence ministry said on Sunday that Washington and Warsaw were in negotiations about the permanent stationing of US battle tanks and other heavy weaponry in Poland and other countries in the region as part of NATO's plans to develop rapid deployment "Spearhead" forces aimed at deterring Kremlin attempts to destabilise former Soviet bloc countries now entrenched inside NATO and the EU.

Warsaw said that a decision whether to station heavy US equipment at warehouses in Poland would be taken soon. NATO's former supreme commander in Europe, American admiral James Stavridis, said the decision marked "a very meaningful policy shift", amid eastern European complaints that western Europe and the US were lukewarm about security guarantees for countries on the frontline with Russia following Vladimir Putin's seizure of parts of Ukraine. "It provides a reasonable level of reassurance to jittery allies, although nothing is as good as troops stationed full time on the ground, of course," the retired admiral told the New York Times.

NATO has been accused of complacency in recent years. The Russian president's surprise attacks on Ukraine have shocked western military planners into action. An alliance summit in Wales last year agreed quick deployments of NATO forces in Poland and the Baltic states. German mechanised infantry crossed into Poland at the weekend after thousands of NATO forces inaugurated exercises as part of the new buildup in the east. Wary of antagonising Moscow's fears of western "encirclement" and feeding its well-oiled propaganda effort, which regularly asserts that NATO agreed at the end of the cold war not to station forces in the former Warsaw Pact countries, NATO has declined to establish permanent bases in the east.

It's downright borderline criminally tragic that NATO claims it's building up its presence in the region as a response to Russian actions. What actions? Nothing was going on until 'we' supported a coup in Kiev, installed a puppet government and let them wage war on their own citizens. That war killed a lot of people. And if Kiev has any say in the matter, it ain't over by a long shot. Poroshenko and Yats still want it all back. So does NATO.

When signing a post-cold war strategic cooperation pact with Russia in 1997, Nato pledged not to station ground forces permanently in eastern Europe "in the current and foreseeable security environment". But that environment has been transformed by Putin's decision to invade and annex parts of Ukraine and the 1997 agreement is now seen as obsolete.

Meanwhile, Russia re-took Crimea without a single shot being fired. But that is still what the western press calls aggression. Russia doesn't even deem to respond to 'our' innuendo, they feel there's nothing to be gained from that because 'our' stories have been pre-cooked and pre-chewed anyway. Something that we are going to greatly regret.

There are all these alphabet soup organizations that were once set up with, one last time, arguably, good intentions, and that now invent narratives because A) they can and B) they need a reason to continue to exist. That is true for NATO, which should have been dismantled 25 years ago.

It's true for the IMF, which was always only a tool for US domination. It's true for the CIA and FBI, which might keep you safe if that was their intent, but which really only function to keep themselves and their narrow group of paymasters safe.

It's also true for political unions, like the US and EU. Let's leave the former alone for now, though much could be said and written about the gaping distance between what the Founding Fathers once envisioned for the nation and what it has since descended into.

Still, that is a story for another day. When we can find our way through the web of narratives that holds it upright. Like the threat from Russia, the threat from China, the threat from all the factions in the Middle East the US itself (helped) set up.

The EU is much younger, though its bureaucrats seem eager to catch up with America in fictitious web weaving. We humans stink at anything supra-national. We can have our societies cooperate, but as soon as we invent 'greater' units to incorporate that cooperation, things run off the rails, the wrong people grab power, and the weaker among us get sacrificed. And that is what's happening once again, entirely predictably, in Greece.

That Spain's two largest cities, Barcelona and Madrid, have now sworn in far-left female mayors this week will only serve to make things harder for Athens. Brussels is under siege, and it will defend its territory as 'best' it can.

What might influence matters, and not a little bit, is that Syriza's Audit Commission is poised to make public its findings on June 18, and that they yesterday revealed they have in their possession a 2010 IMF document that allegedly proves that the Fund knew back then, before the first bail-out, that the Memorandum would result in an increase in Greek debt.

That's potentially incendiary information, because the Memorandum -and the bailout- were aimed specifically at decreasing the debt. That -again, allegedly- none of the EU nations have seen the document at the time -let's see how the spin machine makes that look- doesn't exactly make it any more acceptable.

Nor of course does the fact that Greece's debt could and should have been restructured, according to the IMF's own people and 'standards', but wasn't until 2012, when the main European banks had been bailed out with what was subsequently shoved onto the shoulders of the Greek population, and had withdrawn their 'assets' from the country, a move that made Greece's position that much harder.

The narrative being sold through the media in other eurozone nations is that Greece is to blame, that for instance German taxpayers are on the hook for Greek debts, while they're really on the hook for German banks' losing wagers (here's looking at you, Deutsche!). And that is, no matter how you twist it, not the same story. It's again just a narrative.

Once more, and we've said it many times before, Brussels is toxic -and so is the IMF- and Greece should leave as soon as possible, as should Italy, Spain, Portugal. And we should all resist the spin-induced attempts to demonize Putin, Athens and China any further, and instead focus on the rotten apples in our own basket(s).

In short, the propaganda we should be worried about is not Russia's, it's our own. And it comes from just about every news article we're fed. We're much less than six degrees removed from Orwell.

[Jun 15, 2015]Bilderberg 2015: TTIP and a travesty of transparency

"...This makes perfect sense since the mainstream media gives us no real news. Just the news they are given."
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"..."The way Bilderberg hide is stupid, like naughty children." I would suggest it is more like organised criminals - naughty children tend not to have armed guards and private aircraft, in my experience."
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"...is fascism - ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power."
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"...Western leaders and their media mouthpieces continually brandish the hooray term "Western liberal democratic capitalism" as a stick with which to beat China and Russia."
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"..."The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism - ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. " -Franklin D. Roosevelt, "Message from the President of the United States Transmitting Recommendations Relative to the Strengthening and Enforcement of Anti-trust Laws" "
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"...This is no joke kidz. The more we remain ignorant of these globalist oligarch think tanks, the closer we get to a fascist police state. "
Jun 14, 2015 | The Guardian
Christopher Mark Wingate 14 Jun 2015 20:17

Those of us who have actually been in the front lines of government know there is zero accountability, transparency or democracy. I feel ashamed to have ever trusted our western systems of democracy. No wonder there has been disgust at USA Foreign policy.

DrBill 14 Jun 2015 19:37

I counted eight attendees from news organizations, ten if you include Google. This makes perfect sense since the mainstream media gives us no real news. Just the news they are given.

Metreemewall DT48 14 Jun 2015 17:01

How do you think a mediocre Portuguese politician became Prime-Minister and then, EU Commissioner?

Celtiberico 14 Jun 2015 15:24

"The way Bilderberg hide is stupid, like naughty children."

I would suggest it is more like organised criminals - naughty children tend not to have armed guards and private aircraft, in my experience.

franklin100 -> Pazoozoo 14 Jun 2015 15:15

A Britsh MP has a salary of about £85k plus expenses...large corporations have the cash to buy hundreds at a time directly and indirectly with promises of positions once they leave parliament.

Alienated Electorate -> ChrisRust 14 Jun 2015 15:03

Both Labour and the Conservatives support the EU, the fee market, and corporate business. Both will therefore back the trade deal.

Marty Wolf -> kerjrk 14 Jun 2015 14:37

Bilderberg makes it obvious that the one percent are only about power and money. The hell with what's right for the world of the rest of us. This kind of privilege is a contemptible hangover from the time of "we know best: just be quiet and trust us."

siff Pazoozoo 14 Jun 2015 14:30

'' is fascism - ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. "

That is why Government attend. Do try to keep up.

siff 14 Jun 2015 14:14

A very short article because you can't write about what you don't know about. A secret and sneaky bunch of people having a secret and sneaky meeting about a secret and sneaky trade deal.

Democracy does not get any better than this.

And as for 'Transparency International', once you stick the letters 'USA' on the end we know just how much that is worth.

monsieur_flaneur 14 Jun 2015 12:46

Western leaders and their media mouthpieces continually brandish the hooray term "Western liberal democratic capitalism" as a stick with which to beat China and Russia. But the only purpose of these erroneously described "trade deals" (TPA, TTIP and TISA) is to permanently remove any democratic obstacles to corporate profit.

The hypocrisy is glaring and shameless, and nowhere more so than in the silence of those who endlessly fulminate about EU intrusions on UK parliamentary sovereignty.

DT48 -> Triple750 14 Jun 2015 12:43

Barroso is there also. I wonder what for?

DT48 14 Jun 2015 12:31

Here is the full list of attendees. http://www.bilderbergmeetings.org/participants2015.html

Including our very own technocrat Chancellor.

14Juillet 14 Jun 2015 12:05

This is government of, for and by the rich and powerful in action. Corporate power and profit runs governments all around the globe. This is the essence of fascism as described by FDR.

Democracy is dead.

"The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism - ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. "

-Franklin D. Roosevelt, "Message from the President of the United States Transmitting Recommendations Relative to the Strengthening and Enforcement of Anti-trust Laws"

Walter Alter 14 Jun 2015 11:30

Google criticisms of the Bilderberg Society, Council on Foreign Relations, Royal Institute of International Affairs, Chatham House, The Coefficient's Society, Mt. Perelin Society, Club of Rome, The 40's Committee, Cecil Rhodes "Round Table".

Then put it all in perspective with this YouTube video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dq9yjt_JbWs.

This is no joke kidz. The more we remain ignorant of these globalist oligarch think tanks, the closer we get to a fascist police state.

[Jun 15, 2015] Five Reasons the MI6 Story is a Lie

June 14, 2015 | Craig Murray

by craig on 10:06 am in Uncategorized

The Sunday Times has a story claiming that Snowden's revelations have caused danger to MI6 and disrupted their operations. Here are five reasons it is a lie.

1) The alleged Downing Street source is quoted directly in italics. Yet the schoolboy mistake is made of confusing officers and agents. MI6 is staffed by officers. Their informants are agents. In real life, James Bond would not be a secret agent. He would be an MI6 officer. Those whose knowledge comes from fiction frequently confuse the two. Nobody really working with the intelligence services would do so, as the Sunday Times source does. The story is a lie.

2) The argument that MI6 officers are at danger of being killed by the Russians or Chinese is a nonsense. No MI6 officer has been killed by the Russians or Chinese for 50 years. The worst that could happen is they would be sent home. Agents' – generally local people, as opposed to MI6 officers – identities would not be revealed in the Snowden documents. Rule No.1 in both the CIA and MI6 is that agents' identities are never, ever written down, neither their names nor a description that would allow them to be identified. I once got very, very severely carpeted for adding an agents' name to my copy of an intelligence report in handwriting, suggesting he was a useless gossip and MI6 should not be wasting their money on bribing him. And that was in post communist Poland, not a high risk situation.

3) MI6 officers work under diplomatic cover 99% of the time. Their alias is as members of the British Embassy, or other diplomatic status mission. A portion are declared to the host country. The truth is that Embassies of different powers very quickly identify who are the spies in other missions. MI6 have huge dossiers on the members of the Russian security services – I have seen and handled them. The Russians have the same. In past mass expulsions, the British government has expelled 20 or 30 spies from the Russian Embassy in London. The Russians retaliated by expelling the same number of British diplomats from Moscow, all of whom were not spies! As a third of our "diplomats" in Russia are spies, this was not coincidence. This was deliberate to send the message that they knew precisely who the spies were, and they did not fear them.

4) This anti Snowden non-story – even the Sunday Times admits there is no evidence anybody has been harmed – is timed precisely to coincide with the government's new Snooper's Charter act, enabling the security services to access all our internet activity. Remember that GCHQ already has an archive of 800,000 perfectly innocent British people engaged in sex chats online.

5) The paper publishing the story is owned by Rupert Murdoch. It is sourced to the people who brought you the dossier on Iraqi Weapons of Mass Destruction, every single "fact" in which proved to be a fabrication. Why would you believe the liars now?

There you have five reasons the story is a lie.

Craig Murray is an author, broadcaster and human rights activist. He was British Ambassador to Uzbekistan from August 2002 to October 2004 and Rector of the University of Dundee from 2007 to 2010.

[Jun 14, 2015] Ukraine: agony of the regime continues

Jun 09, 2015 | youtube.com

Over the past year we have often heard: "the President of Ukraine", "Ukraine's President promised, "the President went"... Experts of the program "The Point of View" believe that such assertions grossly distort reality. Ukraine has no President. The so-called "President" is merely the President of the company "Roshen", the profits of which for the last year, thanks to the indefatigable cares of its owner, has increased several times.

As to poor statehood of Ukraine, it beats in a protracted agony. And the end of her suffering is not visible. The so-called "friends of Ukraine" in the US is not interested to help the Ukrainians to get out of the crisis or to build a normal life. They even do not care, if and when Ukraine join the coveted European Union.

"The worse – the better" is the motto of those who enjoys pulling the strings of Kiev puppets. Recently in this puppet theatre received another character is Mikhail Saakashvili. Once it too was called "President", but now he is afraid to appear in his native Georgia, in order not to be arrested and put to trial.

In the Studio "perspective" a new act of the Ukrainian tragedy discussed by the Deputy Director of the Institute of CIS countries Vladimir ZHARIKHIN, political scientist Sergey MIKHEYEV, Deputy of the V–VII Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine Volodymyr Oliynyk and political analyst Bogdan BEZPALKO.

[Jun 14, 2015] Most members of the Russian elite have lost all faith in Western politics and seem to be determined to use force to teach their partners to respect Russia's interests

davidt, June 13, 2015 at 5:52 pm
Sergei Karaganov has another serious article on global politics. He sees Europe as heading towards strategic degradation and sees the US of A as receding into semi-isolation. He also states "Most members of the Russian elite have lost all faith in Western politics and seem to be determined to use force to teach their partners to respect Russia's interests." I am not trying to summarize him, but, I think, that his articles are always insightful and worth reading. (At least they are a relief from being reminded of the antics of that flibbertigibbet Sobchak that, unfortunately, still sits at the top of this page.)
http://eng.globalaffairs.ru/pubcol/Eurasian-Way-Out-of-the-European-Crisis-17505

[Jun 14, 2015]Pew Survey On Ukraine

Jun 14, 2015 | M of A

The PEW Research Center has a new opinion survey of several NATO countries and Russia with regards to the Ukraine conflict:

Publics of key member nations of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) blame Russia for the ongoing conflict in Ukraine. Many also see Russia as a military threat to other neighboring states. But few support sending arms to Ukraine. Moreover, at least half of Germans, French and Italians say their country should not use military force to defend a NATO ally if attacked by Russia.

... the opinion Ukrainians have about the Nuland installed puppet government:

Ukrainians give both their president and prime minister negative marks. A plurality disapproves of President Petro Poroshenko's job performance (43%), while just a third approves. A majority (60%) is unhappy with the way Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk is handling his job. Roughly half or more of eastern Ukrainians give Poroshenko (49%) and Yatsenyuk (66%) negative reviews. Western Ukrainians also give Yatsenyuk bad marks (55%) but are divided on Poroshenko (39% approve, 39% disapprove).

PEW did not survey the people in the federalist held areas in the east. With those included the numbers for the Ukrainian government would be considerably worse. Given that the media in Ukraine are mostly in the hands of pro-western oligarchs these results are really quite bad. There was speculation some time ago that Nuland had planned to replace Poroshenko with the Scientology follower Yatsenyuk but given these numbers there is no longer a chance for such a move.

Meanwhile the conflict in east Ukraine is flaring up again with Donetsk city again being under daily artillery fire from the Ukrainian government side. The summer in east Ukraine will likely get hot again.

Selected Skeptical Comments

Harold | Jun 10, 2015 11:42:00 AM | 1

Is there any real evidence that Yatsenuk is a Scientologist beyond Wayne Madsen, who is not very believable?

Oui | Jun 10, 2015 12:06:04 PM | 4

Piece by Tony Ortega on Scientology and Yats. Yatsenyuk has also been linked to Obama follower Soros.

Scientology and Soros don't mix, different sets of assets. ;-)

thepanzer | Jun 10, 2015 1:20:09 PM | 7

"But a war on Russia could become nuclear and then all bets are off even for those living on the western side of the Atlantic. Did no one tell them?"

Americans are idiots. Even if someone did tell them I doubt it would register.

bjorn richter | Jun 10, 2015 3:06:20 PM | 14

Why are we not told ? Only 3% use of nuclear arsenal will create a global winter. No light, no growth, freezing temperatures. No way to hide. We would all starve or freeze to death. So simple. Check on the information while you are alive.

Wayoutwest | Jun 10, 2015 3:57:27 PM | 15

Reading polls is boring but setting off unstable Dynamite is fun and entertaining and surprisingly easy.

psychohistorian | Jun 10, 2015 4:02:03 PM | 16

If you are a current oligarch/plutocrat that is connected to family that has been in control of finance for centuries you know what is at stake and are probably willing to go nuclear to maintain the status quo. The oligarchs/plutocrats might even be willing to go nuclear as a first strike measure as the cumulative effects of Fukushima become apparent and retribution pressure starts to build.

Russia , China and their friends are organizing to stand up to the oligarchs/plutocrats controlling bully America. The kabuki in the Ukraine is part of that stand up.

The current global oligarchs and plutocrats are not necessarily American. The empire that America represents is the transnational power base of the Western world controlled by private finance which is owned by the oligarchs/plutocrats. Any country that deems itself beholding to the IMF and World Bank are puppets of empire.

Life is short, eat dessert first. I thought for a while in my life that space exploration could be the growth frontier to keep the capitalist myth going but we seem to be despoiling ourselves and our home in a manner that reeks of extinction.

Anonymous | Jun 10, 2015 4:05:08 PM | 17

Must read:

Western propaganda against Russia
http://www.thenation.com/article/207689/neo-mccarthyism-and-us-media

Laguerre | Jun 10, 2015 4:16:11 PM | 18

You lot have forgotten what it might be like to to be nuked. I posted The "http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1kwz5u_the-war-game-peter-watkins-1965_tv"

The War Game the other day. But that might be too British for you. I've ordered "Failsafe", more American, but haven't seen it yet. I don't think that "Dr. Strangelove" is ever likely to discourage US nuclear ambitions.

Fran | Jun 10, 2015 4:26:17 PM | 21

Scary!

Obama Supporters Sign Petition to NUKE RUSSIA so America will Stay World's Superpower - YouTube

Media analyst Mark Dice asked beachgoers in San Diego, California to sign a petition supporting President Obama's supposed plan to launch of preemptive nuclear attack against Russia to help keep the United States of America the world's leading superpower.

The results are disturbing.

tom | Jun 10, 2015 4:51:24 PM | 22

The idea that those poll numbers against intervention would stay the same after a military attack is just silly.

Support for intervention, more sanctions, political isolation from the west etc, would all rise highly In the polls of the people in such circumstances.

Most of the people's fear and hate complex would immediately rise, and in the example of the Western people's concern against the Russians generally, they are ready to, if not already, think of Russia as the USSR.

rufus magister | Jun 10, 2015 10:45:03 PM | 32

Here's a gob of paste from which no one will learn anything, myself included.

Some know-nothing college type says Obama Sacrifices Integrity Over Maidan Ukraine. This presumes he had any credibility after letting the banks off before he was even in office.

You'll have to see for yourself what he says about our Beloved Nobel Laureate, but here's a teaser on Maidan.

By no stretch of any reasonable imagination can it be considered that the imposition of new leadership in Kyiv was either democratic or constitutional.

So if there was not a legal transition, what happened?

If you examine the facts you will find it hard to disagree that a complete constitutional collapse occurred. The president was forced under threat of death to leave the country, and the democratically installed constitution was nullified.

And what do you know, I didn't cut myself with the scissors! Well, this time, anyway....

rufus magister | Jun 10, 2015 10:56:01 PM | 33

Let's see if I can go two for two with the scissors.

From The Daily Beast via New Cold War, Will Cathcart and Joseph Epstein ask, How many neo-Nazis is the U.S. backing in Ukraine?.

For the Azov, it's not just a matter of the occasional very confused kid hung up on some twisted variant of the Nazi ideology who wants to enlist.... [T]here is a recurring history of Nazi ideology in the battalion that goes back to its founder, Andriy Biletsky, who pulled together the neo-Nazi group called the Social-National Assembly (SNA) in 2008.

Last year, Biletsky and the SNA created the Azov Battalion as a volunteer militia. Both the battalion and the SNA sport what is essentially a crude swastika on their logo, although they publically deny that it is a swastika. Some members of the Azov Battalion even wear the swastika symbol against a yellow background as armbands. A significant portion of the Azov Battalion denies, at least publicly, that it has any neo-Nazi or white supremacist beliefs. Instead these members claim that the swastika-ish symbol on their flags and logo is not a swastika but an N and an I combined to mean "national identity."

This is a hard sell considering the ideology of Biletsky, their founder and military commander. Also, the numerous swastika tattoos of different members and their tendency to go into battle with swastikas or SS insignias on their helmets make it very difficult for other members of the group to plausibly deny any neo-Nazi affiliations.

This creates a problem for those members of the battalion like Kharkiv who are clearly not neo-Nazis. But it creates a far larger problem for the Ukrainian government, which relies immensely on the group, as one of its most effective fighting forces, to defend the city of Mariupol and 100 kilometers of the front line. Last summer it was the Azov brigade, led by Biletsky, that liberated Mariupol from the Russian-backed separatists. Azov is completely entrenched in the power structure of the country. "We work with all defense systems of the Ukrainian government," Kharkiv says.

The Ukrainian government isn't the only government that should be concerned. The United States government at this moment is training parts of the Azov Battalion along with other Ukrainian National Guard battalions near the city of Lviv in western Ukraine. This unfortunate reality gives what Kharkiv calls "Putin TV" and the rest of the Kremlin propaganda machine everything it needs to portray the Ukraine government as fascist and the Americans as backing crypto-Nazis

Oui | Jun 11, 2015 1:00:47 AM | 35
"Poland's Government in Chaos as Ministers Resign Amid 'Secret Tape' Investigation Leak"

CIA Man, Former FM Radek Sikorski's Fall from Grace In Poland

Follow the story here via InsidePoland.com

rufus magister | Jun 11, 2015 1:25:14 AM | 37
@rufus magister, 50:

"Instead these members claim that the swastika-ish symbol on their flags and logo is not a swastika but an N and an I combined to mean 'national identity.'"

The symbol is a simple bind rune, an old Scandinavian magical glyph. The thing about putting runes together is getting as many meanings into one bind rune as possible.
Remember whose symbol this is now, and who they took it from. They might go on in public about the N and I, but amongst themselves it is an SS.

Vintage Red | Jun 11, 2015 1:03:56 AM | 36

VR at 53 -- The volkisch movement that was a key breeding ground for the Nazis was into runes and pseudo-feudal symbolism and ideology.

Himmler and the SS were particularly keen on it, with the Wewelsburg Castle facility devoted to their peculiar interpretation.

Bill | Jun 11, 2015 4:04:23 AM | 40

The latest attempt at another Maidan resulted in a man who was photographed with John McCain being beaten by 'unknown assailants'. This encapsulates Washington's hypocrisy perfectly.

http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/2228560.html

Chipnik | Jun 11, 2015 4:33:52 AM | 41 b

PEW also released a report on USAian various legislative polls through the years, compared to Congressional voting records, and found no statically significant trace from a informatics POV that Congress pays the slightest attention to what USAians say in the polls or at the ballot booth.

H-1B Hindustanis are flying over the borders by the 787 load, now, taking 98% of new high-tech jobs, and continuing the riff-down of USAian WASPs for Hindustanis, while birthing Ms of future Anchor Babus, leaving USAians in the same boat as the disenfranchised, de-stated Ukrainians.

And in one year, 13,000,000 Califucian's will be on the road as climate refugees, in search of water, 8a-EBT welfare, fighting those very same Hindustanis for housing, jobs and the green, green grass of home.

So much for your Hope is Chains.

Piotr Berman | Jun 11, 2015 8:51:36 AM | 46
It is a little funny how the opinions that are skeptic toward NATO policies can be dismissed as results of Russian dangerous propaganda machine.

Pew did not ask if the respondents watched RT, but my bet is that few did, and even fewer as the main news source.

Western media is dominated by the output of western corporate groups: kind of by definition, if you do not own TV network with wide viewership, you are not a major corporation.

So if there is a perception that USA is arrogant and untrustworthy, this cannot be explained by Russian propaganda alone, given its relatively minor reach.

Perhaps, unlikely as it may seem, the perception is grounded in "grains of truth" of various sizes (see http://knsgeo.ukw.edu.pl/wyjazdy/grodek_2009.jpg for an example.

PhilK | Jun 11, 2015 4:38:20 PM | 52

There's quite a bit of data online that casts doubt on Pew's alleged non-partisanship.
The PEW Charitable Trusts were established by the surviving sons and daughters of Joseph N. Pew, founder of the Sun Oil Company, known today as Sunoco. The founding fortune of PEW's trusts came from the often brutal tactics of the early American oil industry. By the end of fiscal year 2008, the total assets of PEW Charitable Trusts had grown to over $5 billion. When your independent public charity corporation is worth over $5 billion, it takes a lot of moxy to call yourself a "non-profit" organization.
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PEW also has a history of investing in companies its alleged "principles" are in direct contrast with. For example, PEW has for years made sizable donations to environmentally conscious groups like Greenpeace, The Sierra Club, and the Environmental Defense Fund. In spite of this, one of the seven PEW trusts, Pew Memorial Trusts, contains over $24 million worth of purchased stock in Exxon-Mobil, one of the premier faces of the fracking industry that is destroying eco-systems throughout the US.

Another member of the PEW trusts, J.N. Pew Jr. Trust, has over $9 million invested in 12 different oil ventures, including Chevron, Marathon Group, and Phillips Petroleum. Unbelievably, the PEW Charitable Trusts formed a joint trust with 6 other "non-profit foundations" that included the Rockefeller Foundation, bringing its total assets to over $21 billion, in order to form the Energy Foundation. The Energy Foundation is the main financial supporter of the most prominent anti-Exxon Mobil activist group, the Texas Fund for Energy and Environmental Education.

PEW Data On Public Perception Of Intelligence Agencies Is Biased And False

An apparently right-wing org called "Ron Arnold's Left Tracking Library" seems to thinks that PCT is a devilish left-wing outfit devoted to bringing down capitalism by funding environmental groups:

A non-profit conglomerate of epic size and ambition, operating many projects, all designed to reduce the power of the for-profit sector and increase government power over all aspects of American life.
. . .
Transparency is not a Pew virtue. Even the basic 2008 income and asset information above is so puny compared to the real money behind the organization that it stirs mistrust.
Pew Charitable Trusts

This page lists Pew's gifts in year 2001 to environmental organizations. This list can't be cut-and-pasted, so I have manually typed just a few of the ones over a million dollars:

(2001) Clear the Air Campaign, $4,997,00 (funded through a grant to Pace University)
(2001) National Forest Planning Public Education, $3,475,000 (funded through a grant to US Public Interest Research Group Education Fund)
(2001) Farmed Salmon Contaminant Study, $2,530,000 (funded through a grant to Research Foundation of State University of New York)
(2001) The Columbia and Snake Rivers Campaign, $1,375,000 (funded through a grant to Save Our Wild Salmon Coalition)

This same Ron Arnold page lists the disclosed assets of some of the trusts with the PCT. This is the list for one them, the Pew Memorial Trust:

Corporation # of Shares Value (in 2008?)
Burlington Resources 38,300 $1,934,150
Coastal Corporation 40,654 $3,590,256
Exxon Mobil Corporation 97,641 $8,488,664
Kerr McGee Corp 27,222 $1,822,173
Occidental Petroleum Corp 159,800 $3,875,150
MCN Energy Group Inc 69,400 $1,921,513
Helmerich & Payne Inc. 44,700 $1,961,213
Occidental Petroleum Corp 295,100 $7,156,175
Ocean Energy Inc 132,000 $2,293,500
Pittston Brink's Group 30,800 $612,150
Swift Energy Co 128,986 $4,853,098
Vintage Petroleum Inc 41,850 $899,775
Southern Energy Inc. 37,500 $1,061,719
Energy East Corp 16,430 $3,234,656
Burlington Resources 24,725 $1,248,613
Chevron Corp 9,100 $768,381
Coastal Corporation 18,800 $1,660,275
Exxon Mobil Corporation 50,895 $4,424,684
Kerr McGee Corp 18,150 $1,214,916
Occidental Petroleum Corp 34,125 $827,531
Schlumberger Ltd 16,325 $1,304,980
MCN Energy Group Inc 62,525 $1,731,161
Chevron Corp 40,600 $3,428,163
Exxon Mobil Corporation 53,700 $4,668,544
Schlumberger Ltd 46,600 $3,725,088
Transocean Sedco Forex 6,800 $2,152,800
Duke Energy Corp 29,400 $2,506,350
Burlington Resources 59,550 $3,007,275
Coastal Corporation 62,300 $6,902,838
Exxon Mobil Corporation 79,400 $6,902,838
Kerr McGee Corp 41,950 $2,808,028
Occidental Petroleum Corp 241,525 $5,856,981
Duke Energy Corp 31,550 $2,689,638
MCN Energy Group Inc 10,4200 $2,885,038

It seems obvious to me that the value of these stocks is far more important to the people running PCT than the values of the enviro orgs that they throw a few million bucks to, and that these donations are not intended to bring down capitalism, but to undercut and to neuter the recipient organizations.

Noirette | Jun 14, 2015 11:08:24 AM | 61

One of Pew's functions is to track opinion to inform how well the Media Power is doing. This alerts pols. and others on public sentiment, etc. It keeps away from really serious or revealing questions, on the whole.

Note in this poll (top part) very innocuous and vague questions are posed, sending economic aid to Ukraine (which is already taking place…) is a kind of no-brainer, economic aid is a 'good thing' for 'poor countries / ppl' and happens all the time.

Support will be high, all responders want to be decent ppl - though there may be some country differences, they will be meaningless as based on all kinds of 'other' considerations.

Ukraine joining NATO / EU are hypotheticals, and generally 'positive sounding' and don't inform about attitudes towards Russia or war.

A little more specific is 'sending arms to Ukraine' (err.. which Ukr? To whom? To what purpose? Too ambiguous…) Here though we might imagine finding some 'meat' as any mention of 'arms' makes ppl consider the question more seriously.

For the countries listed, one can forget Poland (in a way, 50% for is low?), we see that Spain, Germany, Italy, are not keen (25, 19, 22 % for respectively), which when you substract margin of error plus saying yes to something vague, amounts to very low support. France, on the other hand, at 40% for is a good notch above and creeps very close to joining the 5-eyes (Canada and the US being the only ones in the poll, here at 44 and 46 % for.) Which we knew already, France has turned hyper-atlanticist and the media have done a fantastic job.

The part on 'should or should not use force to defend allies' within NATO is more interesting, as it shows that public support for NATO pact is barely a majority, and nationalistic attitudes are probably playing a role. Pew thereby sends a message ..

Note that there will have been few respondents who could actually quote who the NATO countries are, what the pact is, and so forth. So the pollsters and the polled are talking past each other, it is a kind of fake discourse.

[Jun 14, 2015] Snowden files read by Russia and China: five questions for UK government

The Guardian

The government has an obligation to respond to the Sunday Times report that MI6 has been forced to pull agents out of live operations in hostile countries

The Sunday Times produced what at first sight looked like a startling news story: Russia and China had gained access to the cache of top-secret documents leaked by former NSA contractor turned whistleblower Edward Snowden.

Not only that, but as a result, Britain's overseas intelligence agency, the Secret Intelligence Service, better known as MI6, had been forced "to pull agents out of live operations in hostile countries".

These are serious allegations and, as such, the government has an obligation to respond openly.

The story is based on sources including "senior officials in Downing Street, the Home Office and the security services". The BBC said it had also also been briefed anonymously by a senior government official.

Anonymous sources are an unavoidable part of reporting, but neither Downing Street nor the Home Office should be allowed to hide behind anonymity in this case.

1. Is it true that Russia and China have gained access to Snowden's top-secret documents? If so, where is the evidence?

Which cache of documents is the UK government talking about? Snowden has said he handed tens of thousands of leaked documents over to journalists he met in Hong Kong, and that he has not had them in his possession since. Have Russia and China managed to access documents held by one of the journalists or their companies?

In addition, if agents had to be moved, why? Which Snowden documents allegedly compromised them to the extent they had to be forcibly removed from post?

2. Why have the White House and the US intelligence agencies not raised this?

Snowden is wanted by the US on charges under the Espionage Act. The White House, the US intelligence agencies and especially some members of Congress have been desperate to blacken Snowden's reputation. They have gone through his personal life and failed to come up with a single damaging detail.

If the UK were to have evidence that Russia and China had managed to penetrate his document cache or that agents had been forced to move, London would have shared this with Washington. The White House would have happily briefed this openly, as would any number of Republican – and even Democratic – members of Congress close to the security services. They would not have stinted. It would have been a full-blown press conference.

Related: UK under pressure to respond to latest Edward Snowden claims

The debate in the US has become more grownup in recent months, with fewer scare stories and more interest in introducing reforms that will redress the balance between security and privacy, but there are still many in Congress and the intelligence agencies seeking vengeance.

3. Why have these claims emerged now?

Most the allegations have been made before in some form, only to fall apart when scrutinised. These include that Snowden was a Chinese spy and, when he ended up in Moscow, that he was a Russian spy or was at least cooperating with them. The US claimed 56 plots had been disrupted as a result of surveillance, but under pressure acknowledged this was untrue.

The claim about agents being moved was first made in the UK 18 months ago, along with allegations that Snowden had helped terrorists evade surveillance and, as a result, had blood on his hands. Both the US and UK have since acknowledged no one has been harmed.

So why now? One explanation is that it is partly in response to Thursday's publication of David Anderson's 373-page report on surveillance. David Cameron asked the QC to conduct an independent review and there is much in it for the government and intelligence services to like, primarily about retaining bulk data.

Anderson is scathing, however, about the existing legal framework for surveillance, describing it as intolerable and undemocratic, and he has proposed that the authority to approve surveillance warrants be transferred from the foreign and home secretaries to the judiciary.

His proposal, along with another surveillance report out next month from the Royal United Services Institute, mean that there will be continued debate in the UK. There are also European court rulings pending. Web users' increasing use of encryption is another live issue. Above all else though, there is the backlash by internet giants such as Google, which appear to be less prepared to cooperate with the intelligence agencies, at least not those in the UK.

The issue is not going away and the Sunday Times story may reflect a cack-handed attempt by some within the British security apparatus to try to take control of the narrative.

4. Why is the Foreign Office not mentioned as a source?

It seems like a pedantic point, but one that could offer an insight into the manoeuvring inside the higher reaches of government. The Foreign Office is repsonsible for MI6, but the Home Office is quoted in the story. Is it that the Home Office and individuals within the department rather than the Foreign Office are most exercised about the potential transfer of surveillance warrant approval from the home secretary, the proposed scrapping of existing legislation covering surveillance and other potential reforms?

5. What about the debatable assertions and at least one totally inaccurate point in the Sunday Times piece?

The Sunday Times says Snowden "fled to seek protection from Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, after mounting one of the largest leaks in US history". In fact he fled Hong Kong bound for Latin America, via Moscow and Cuba. The US revoked his passport, providing Russia with an excuse to hold him in transit.

The Sunday Times says it is not clear whether Russia and China stole Snowden's data or "whether he voluntarily handed over his secret documents in order to remain at liberty in Hong Kong and Moscow". The latter is not possible if, as Snowden says, he gave all the documents to journalists in Hong Kong in June 2013.

The Sunday Times also reports that "David Miranda, the boyfriend of Guardian journalist Glenn Greenwald, was seized at Heathrow in 2013 in possession of 58,000 'highly-classified' intelligence documents after visiting Snowden in Moscow".

This is inaccurate. Miranda had in fact been in Berlin seeing the film-maker Laura Poitras, not in Moscow visiting Snowden. It is not a small point.

The claim about Miranda having been in Moscow first appeared in the Daily Mail in September under the headline "An intelligence expert's devastating verdict: Leaks by Edward Snowden and the Guardian have put British hostages in even greater peril". It was written by Professor Anthony Glees, the director of the centre for security and intelligence studies at the University of Buckingham, and has never been corrected. Maybe the Sunday Times can do better.

[Jun 12, 2015] The "Nation Interest" erupted with this article several days ago -- Russia and America: Toward a New Détente

Many within the Russian elite just eat up every morsel of the idea that someone, somewhere in the West wants to treat Russia as an equal. The old convergence meme, along with plenty of time for Italian villas and French wine, women, and song. So it behooves Western operatives to create some stories like that. Sure, it was the EU's fault. Yep. To me, this is more like factions within the Nazis debating what kind of post-war scenario would work for the USSR. How many should be deported to Brazil, how many should be sterilized, that kind of thing. Russia should spend more time on getting rid of the huge and powerful fifth column and improving industrial production, and less time on partnership discussions.
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"...Like you say, for a few glass beads, Putin is supposed to pretend that all is okey-dokey and go back to the era when Russia and America were pretending to fight "terrorism" together. Overlooking the fact that the "terrorists" are all paid for and trained by America."
Jun 12, 2015 | marknesop.wordpress.com
Lyttenburgh, June 11, 2015 at 5:22 pm
The "Nation Interest" erupted with this article several days ago:

Russia and America: Toward a New Détente

The "meat" of this long article boils down to the following:

For this new diplomatic partnership to be effective, both parties must enter into it with a realistic mind-set. That is the first step. The United States has to accept the fact that Russia is a great power and treat it that way. Washington has to be sensitive to Moscow's perspectives and interests, particularly on its borders. The Kremlin has to realize that to receive great-power treatment, it's got to behave far more responsibly and accept responsibility for joint solutions. Putin can't go on trying to dominate and intimidate his neighbors, just as the U.S. president can't be seen as seeking to pull these neighbors out of the Russian orbit.

Second, both sides have to recognize their very real complementary interests. That's perfectly obvious now when it comes to regional issues, fighting terrorism and nuclear proliferation. There's no denying that there are serious conflicts on Russia's western border or that Russia has clear military superiority there. Russia can cause real turmoil for Europe, which is why both parties have got to understand that the solution lies in diplomatic sensitivity and compromise, rather than fighting. It does not take a rocket scientist to see that the present mutual hostility imperils the interests of both sides.

How would Détente Plus work in practice?

First, both sides have to commit to diplomacy at the highest levels. Particularly in the initial years, there would have to be annual presidential summits and semiannual meetings of foreign and defense ministers. Only top-level political leaders can make the decisions required of Détente Plus.

Second, these joint ventures must be given high visibility. Optics are critical both to reestablish Russia's status as a great power, and for the United States to gain more restrained and cooperative Russian behavior in return. Kremlin leaders are surely realistic enough to see this trade-off and curb themselves. Until this mountaintop diplomacy begins to produce, Western nations are fully justified in sustaining sanctions and continuing to build a more credible military presence eastward.

Third, Détente Plus has to progress on two fronts: maintaining the basic integrity and independence of countries on Russia's borders while being attentive to Russian interests there; and fashioning joint action on broader issues such as Middle East instability and terrorism.

Well, what did you expect? Of course, in our time any "meaty" part will turn out to be just "vegetarian" one!

Our good and knowledgeble Leslie H. Gelb – a "president emeritus of the Council on Foreign Relations, a former columnist for the New York Times, and a former senior State and Defense Department official" – basically suggests, that some shiny glass beads and a great priviledge to be treated like a White Man US of A's equal is sufficient to placate Kremlin's ego, and afterwards Putin (whom our good author blames for all crisises and setbacks that ever happened in the region – hell, he even claims that Putin artificially keeps Azeri-Armenian conflict burning!) will gladly become reasonle and abandon all Russia's foreign interests. Huzzah!

What this shizofrenic article doesn't answer, however, is some very nasty and down to earth questions:

1) New "detente+" (ugh!) strategy suggested here presumes that the US must "be sensetive to Moscow's perspectives and interests, particularly on its borders" and "maintaining the basic integrity and independence of countries on Russia's borders".

2) Then what are good mister Gelb's thought on Crimea? Did he really, honestly presumes that Russia will just hand over a peninsula with 3 mlns of Russian citizens "back" to the Ukraine in the name of "maintaining the basic integrity… of countries on Russia's borders"?

3) Or maybe mister Gelb suggests that despite the fact that both UkrArmy and the NatzGuard suffered humiliating defeats in the past Russia should allow "just for lulz" the Ukrainian border guards to resume their work in eastern parts of the People Republics?

4) Did he really think that a couple of glass beads will make Putin look the other way, when NATO pimped-up NatzGuard and whoever they managed to grab during the "5th wave of Mobilization" descends upon People Republics?

And the icing on the top – well, you gonna laugh! Our good mr. Gelb blames the EU going full Nuland!

Alas, the European Union has demonstrated the wrong way to proceed in the last two years. It essentially proposed to incorporate the Ukrainian economy into Europe's and leave Russia behind. It pursued a Europe-win/Russia-lose approach rather than the win-win policy argued for here. Obviously Moscow couldn't accept this and turned the competition to its strength - stirring up Russian speakers in eastern Ukraine and sending in Russian arms and men.

Did I mention the self-delusion of "Murica did no wrong here" exposed on every single page of this article? Well, pardon me – I thought it was self evident!

P.S. Are there still people interested in hearing some of my accounts about being a soldier in Russian Army? Pavlo?

marknesop, June 11, 2015 at 9:48 pm
Yes, that is a thing of beauty – I liked your analogy of the shiny glass beads, like the trade with the Indians in which they gave away furs worth a fortune for cheap baubles. Everything old is new again, because this sort of soul-searching (Russia has been wronged, we must stop treating it like a child) has been done before, and far better, by former U.S. Defense secretary Robert McNamara in "Out of the Cold – New Thinking for American Foreign and Defense Policy in the 21st Century". I've added it to the library – just the picture, I'll add the text tomorrow if I have time – but from memory, Mr. McNamara blamed much of the cold war on America and its intransigence, and lamented the many, many misunderstandings that caused both sides to misinterpret the other's motives. He was quite candid (so far, I just started it) that the USSR behaved exactly as any nation in its position would have done given the same circumstances, that it was only safeguarding its regional interests and was not remotely interested in a war with Europe or with America when it had just lost millions of its people to war and seen its industrial production reduced by something like two-thirds. But even then the west treated the USSR as if it was a naive tribesman who could be bought off with a shiny tin hatchet because he does not recognize what has true value.

The USA had plenty of opportunity to act on his advice (it was published in 1989) and lead the effort to find common ground. But it was having too much fun making an enemy of the Soviet Union and undercutting every effort it made to develop itself.

Lyttenburgh, June 11, 2015 at 10:03 pm

Correct me if I'm dead wrong, Mark, but wasn't one of the reasons for McNamara's dismissal (whatever fanciful term they used doesn't matter) some fears by the glorious administration of LBJ that "Goddamit, we have another Forrestal in the making here! Quick, remove him before he goes nuts completely!" which might somehow have influenced the consequent perception of everything said and written by the former Sec. of Defense McNamara?
marknesop, June 11, 2015 at 10:21 pm
That's very possible – I'm afraid my knowledge of his career is woefully incomplete and I mostly remember him as a tricky dissembler in the famous Gulf of Tonkin Incident which lit off America's military participation in the Vietnam War. It was fairly evident from declassified records that McNamara wanted America actively involved in the war rather than just in an advisory capacity, and those records show he withheld advice of military commanders from the President because those commanders argued against overt action until more facts were known. He would later argue that he supported the Vietnam War out of loyalty to administration policy rather than being drunk with power, although his initial management of it suggested he wanted to run it personally. As president of the World Bank, he stated that countries permitting access to birth control would get preferential treatment. Although I agree that countries have to permit that choice, thorny an issue as it is – because plenty of history shows that making a woman bear an unwanted child is not going to force a positive change in her attitude and a subsequent responsible raising of the child – it is not the kind of thing you announce publicly. He was a little erratic, to put it mildly, but he also served as Defense Secretary for 7 years, which I believe is a record.

It will make more sense when I post a couple of excerpts; his advice on treatment of Russia (which was still the Soviet Union then) was eminently sensible because it argued the Russians only wanted to be treated as equals and for genuine dialogue to take place rather than a quick meeting of the Old Boys Club followed by a group gang-bang of Russia with everyone pointing accusing fingers. But it's easy to say something makes sense when you agree with it, so I'll let readers decide for themselves. There's no arguing that he knew a great deal and that his experience of current events far exceeds ours, by the simple virtue of his having been present at so many high-level planning sessions and gatherings. But his matter-of-fact recounting of historic events such as Churchill's bargaining with Stalin on spheres of influence suggests he had an inquiring mind and a good memory for history, since the famous deal written on a scrap of paper, offering division of influence in various eastern-European countries by percentages (and which Stalin approved with a simple check mark) is not well-known. That was a huge betrayal as well since – for example – the Soviet Union was offered "90% influence" in Romania, and the west set to meddling in it with no delay and now it is a NATO member.

yalensis, June 12, 2015 at 3:14 am
From what I have read about McNamara and the Vietnam war:
McNamara screwed up badly, and knew it. His hubris and hunger for power caused untold destruction of lives and a geo-strategic defeat for America.

The thing is, that McNamara was that rare type (in his position) who actually had a conscience. He was not a psychopath. He had a logical mind, was eventually able to analyze his own mistakes, and in later life sought redemption by telling the truth.

An interesting if highly flawed individual. Shakespeare could have written a play about him.

Paul II, June 11, 2015 at 11:25 pm
Many within the Russian elite just eat up every morsel of the idea that someone, somewhere in the West wants to treat Russia as an equal. The old convergence meme, along with plenty of time for Italian villas and French wine, women, and song. So it behooves Western operatives to create some stories like that. Sure, it was the EU's fault. Yep. To me, this is more like factions within the Nazis debating what kind of post-war scenario would work for the USSR. How many should be deported to Brazil, how many should be sterilized, that kind of thing. Russia should spend more time on getting rid of the huge and powerful fifth column and improving industrial production, and less time on partnership discussions.
yalensis, June 12, 2015 at 3:16 am
Hear hear!
yalensis, June 12, 2015 at 3:04 am
Frankly, I would rather see bitter conflict than the kind of "detente" that Gelb is proposing.

LIke you say, for a few glass beads, Putin is supposed to pretend that all is okey-dokey and go back to the era when Russia and America were pretending to fight "terrorism" together. Overlooking the fact that the "terrorists" are all paid for and trained by America.

In any case, realistically speaking, Russia and America do not have any interests in common. Not one single one that I can think of. The divorce should be finalized.

[Jun 12, 2015] IMF to Alexis Tsipras: Do you feel lucky, punk?

Notable quotes:
"... Mr Eliot how you dare to call our prime minister a "punk"? Who do you think you are you or other journalist around the world? Why you don't write the truth that the hard working Greeks have lost the 60 % of their income and they can't live with less money. Your article as well as other around the world is called "bulling". ..."
"... If you had read even the anti-greek newspapers in the last 5 years you would understand that 90% of the "loans" Greece "took" - i.e. had imposed on them - went directly to German, French and Dutch banks. ..."
"... What I found entertaining, was the statement by Rice, which went "As our managing director has said many times, the IMF never leaves the table," except of course when the entire team gets called back to Washington, and errr... leaves the table... ..."
"... The IMF is not only about money. They have an ideological mandate too. Now, you may agree with this ideological mandate or not. However, if you do not, then it is best to not borrow money from them! ..."
"... Did you know that 29 billion (yes - Billion) euros of income tax were not paid by Greek professionals (doctors, lawyers, etc.) in 2009 according to Univ of Chicago researchers? ..."
"... A very irresponsible and simplistic, really sensationalistic summary. The hallmark of a pseudointellectual, a journalist who has never held a real job and seen how money is made and value is created and lives in the imaginary world of movie one liners and simple messages. ..."
"... "Mr Schauble is the proponent of a "velvet divorce" for Greece: an orderly exit from the euro and a return to the drachma, with the ECB playing a crucial role in stabilizing the new currency. Germany and other creditors would then step in with a "Marshall Plan" to put the country back on its feet within the EU. What Mr Schauble is not prepared to accept is a breach of contract by Greece on the terms of its previous "Troika" rescue, which he fears would lead to moral hazard and the collapse of fiscal discipline across Southern Europe. He is backed by much of the ruling Christian Democrat party (CDU) and its Bavarian allies (CSU) ..."
"... Wall Street tactics akin to the ones that fostered subprime mortgages in America have worsened the financial crisis shaking Greece and undermining the euro by enabling European governments to hide their mounting debts. ..."
Jun 12, 2015 | The Guardian

Hristos Dagres 12 Jun 2015 11:50

Basically, the IMF should officially admit their fatal errors in the development of the first MoU that "saved" Greece [well, we all know now that the first plan was nothing more than an attempt to save euro and the French-German banks that was cunningly presented as a token of "European solidarity" - in reality, they didn't give a sh..t about Greece].

These "errors" were immediately identified by other members of the IMF board, like Brazil, Argentina, China and .... Switzerland, according to the IMF documents presented by WSJ

[http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2013/10/07/imf-document-excerpts-disagreements-revealed/ ]

I believe that Christine should pick up her pieces and crawl back to the table - and this time she should present a plan that will restore the damage done.

Or else, they should not get a single euro back - and we should start negotiating with the BRICS for a fair plan to restructure our economy.

MachinePork 12 Jun 2015 11:30

Make no mistake about it a Greek default is a calamity for the global financial system. Debt on the periphery is in the trillions. It is carried on the books in banks and treasuries at face value only because national administrators understand – with the blessing of the automatons at BIS -- what it would mean if this crap was subjected to a proper stress test or marked-to-market.

At stake in this battle is the entire global financial system. Should a NATO government summon the cheek to opt out of the prevailing international credit system, issue debt-free capital, invest in its people, grow exports and prove to succeed; the entire compound interest earning, system of rent-making privilege would collapse. My sense is the kingdom of Finance, its banking lords and its lickspittles in policy will never let this happen.

God bless the Greek people. This is going to get messy. They should be commended for their bravery in the face of endless threats of financial serfdom for intransigence.

The international debt monkey is a doppelgänger. He looks so inviting at first glance but is more than prepared to reach back and lob a compound interest bearing shit bomb your direction in a bid to save privilege in the global financial zoo.

Maria Christoulaki 12 Jun 2015 10:43

Mr Eliot how you dare to call our prime minister a "punk"? Who do you think you are you or other journalist around the world? Why you don't write the truth that the hard working Greeks have lost the 60 % of their income and they can't live with less money. Your article as well as other around the world is called "bulling". What do you think that Greeks are? all these articles except of bulling show a racism against us. You must ask an excuse for this article which offends both our prime minister and the Greek people, who voted him.

mgtuzairodtiiasn asiancelt 12 Jun 2015 09:08

It is funny! The German bankers stole your money, and you still believe that all this money went to the Greeks. This money went from the German banks to the German enterprises. Because they gave bribes to win contracts for useless military equipment. For example, Greece bought 4 submarines that doesn't need. Even today, only one has been delivered, because there were major design faults, although the German company has received the money. Regarding the loans of the previous years, do you believe that the total amount of the Greek debt was to expire in just 3 years? Obviously, the gang that rules EU today, gave 240 bn Euros to banks of Germany, France, Netherlands etc, and used Greece as a scapegoat to hide this fraud. Wake up!

mgtuzairodtiiasn Angkor 12 Jun 2015 08:55

Firstly, negotiation is not that you agree to what the institutions require. Secondly, you are right. The Greek economy and society have been carried many parasites until now.

Remember the German companies like Siemens, Ferrostaal, ThyssenKrupp which gave bribes to many politicians and Media owners. Or Hochtief, which still has not paid 500 mn Euros of VAT to the Greek state. It is time to get rid of all this parasites.

elenits -> Anton Brasschaat 12 Jun 2015 07:57

"Loans" imposed by IMF against its mandate = Odious debt.

Greeks shouldering 340 bn of EU, ECB, IMF "loans" to shore up foreign malinvesting banks = Odious debt

Loans to Greece that were not used by Greeks = Odious debt

IMF breaking its own rules to loan without debt restructure = Odious debt

This is without considering ECB acting outside its mandate, i.e. politically, from Feb 2015 by illegally cutting Greece from bond markets and out of QE.

elenits -> asiancelt 12 Jun 2015 07:49

If you had read even the anti-greek newspapers in the last 5 years you would understand that 90% of the "loans" Greece "took" - i.e. had imposed on them - went directly to German, French and Dutch banks. The 10% Greece was allowed to keep paid for the interests on these "loans" - topped up with money screwed out of the Greek taxpayers.

Apropos the IMF they acted illegally against their own rules by lending to a first world country [not a "developing" country] and by accepting a greek program that did not include debt restructure, i.e. the same German, French and Dutch banks having to accept some losses.

There is no such thing as "risk" anymore for banks, corporations or the 1%. Risk and poverty is only for ordinary people like yourself.

dawisner -> Constantine Alexander 12 Jun 2015 07:30

Constantine, as an American expat living in Greece for the past 21 years now (I was married in Thessaloniki in 1988), I, too, have frequently lamented how many armchair experts appear in these chat rooms. I published an e-book last year (Still at Aulis) with a view toward trying to explain to the casual observer how complex the local situation can be, and how worthy and hard-working my Greek peers often are. Keep up the good work.

seaspan -> Anton Brasschaat 12 Jun 2015 05:50

French and German banks were generously bailed out of any risk by "taxpayers" from the EU, including Greeks.

And Greek leverage is honesty: they have a clear understanding of current economic reality, and a better plan to payback their debts to Euro taxpayers. Anyone who says different is suspect as to their interests and intentions.

It isnt Syriza you should be questioning if you are sincere about your concern for the taxpayer. It is the financial advisers and ideologues backing austerity you should question. Are they merely driven by their egos and reputations as pro austerity hawks? Afraid for their secure positions as Yes Men in financial institutions?

And anyone in the negotiating process who has loyalties to Russia should be severely scrutinised, since Putin's interests are for a failure in negotiations, for a Grexit, all toward a long term desire of an EU breakup.

It could come down to questions of treason why there is no negotiated settlement,,, if such a word is applicable to the EU project...

Constantine Alexander -> Renato Timotheus 12 Jun 2015 05:43

My life's experiences - including beginning work at 8 years of age; 3 years military service; professional activities including U.S. investment banking, employment development in Eastern Europe (e.g. job creation at a Belarus agricultural production facility which is still thriving), 10 years devoted to my passion for wildlife conservation projects with worthy BirdLife Int'l NGO partners (not as you coyly suggested as a result of "untoward" behaviour); and having a doctor threaten to refuse to perform my father's surgery unless he receives a 10,000 euro cash bribe in addition to his customary doctor's fee and the hospital costs - have shaped my perspective on the factors that contribute to or undermine civil society.

If Greece exits the euro, the resulting cost of vital goods will soar due to the country's heavy reliance on imports. This will hit the middle class and the poor much harder than the current austerity measures -- most of which have not been implemented by any Greek gov (e.g. opening up business sectors to competition, privatization of debt-ridden public institutions, tax collection which has for decades suffered due to customary and widespread bribery demanded by tax officials, privatization of public assets).

The long term solution lies in the govt starting to do what most of us have to do - we prioritize spending based on worthiness and needs (food, health, education, etc), keep a reserve for contingencies, and spend in relation to our incoming revenue. But rather than contributing to long term stability and security for the country which benefits everyone's work activities, the society insists upon short term benefits (e.g. public sector hiring for my children, tax evasion) that it clearly cannot afford. The broader issue is not lender's conditions vs. austerity relief, but rather a way of organizing govt and society which, in the Greek model, has gotten way out of hand due to low interest rates for excessive borrowing by a series of governments. We'll see how the story unfolds.

PyrosT -> Enoch Arden 12 Jun 2015 05:32

destroyed economy was not an alternative to the IMF "help", it was its result, carefully planned and systematically implemented. It was in a way a remarkable achievement of IMF: to inflict a greater damage to the Soviet economy than WW2, with the help of the local compradors.

IMF will not do anything about your or anyone elses local corrupt elites or lack of governance. That is not within their mandate or nature.

If you think that it is possible to convert a centrally planned soviet style (the core of it to boot) to anything resembling a market economy without major disruption.

Even East Germany, despite the endless billions thrown into it, went through a period of high unemployment and hardships.

But I guess it is easier to "blame the IMF". Yes the interventions will almost always lower your GDP - for a quite simple reason that the previous GDP is probably bloated with G (government spending) and any significant restructuring always causes some depression. And yes, it typically isn't a "walk in the park". And some measures are probably misguided, inadequate or ineffective.

But...

Why does a country asks for the IMF help in the first place? Because it is sporting unsustainable policies? Sometimes it could even correct itself, but having an outside partner makes some policies easier to deploy.

DANIELDS 12 Jun 2015 05:10

Yesterday briefing by G.RICE of IMF

...Greek pension system is unsustainable. The Greek pension funds receive transfers from the budget of about 10 percent of GDP annually. Now, this compares to the average in the rest of the Euro zone of two-and-a-half percent of GDP. The standard pension in Greece is almost at the same level as in Germany and people, again on the average, retire almost six years earlier in Greece than in Germany. And GDP per capita increase, of course, is less than half that of the German level.......Terrible errors? reported to justify killing policies of troica and imf......Here is Greek butjet.

http://www.minfin.gr/?q=en/content/state-budget-execution-january-march-2015

......For pensions 6,3 billion eur.GDP OF 2014 179 bill euros and for pensions goes ONLY 3.5% OF IT.

This the big obstacle of negotiations.10% of GDP is 18 billion euros .3.5% is only 5.4 billions.They are killers of a country with false reports.

Angkor Renato -> Timotheus 12 Jun 2015 04:53

Renato on your checklist for Greece's solution to its current problems, a few questions:

1. Default. Well that's a given. It's going to happen anyway whether the Greeks want it to or not.

2. Secure Russian and Chinese support for the new currency
How will Greece secure Russian and Chinese support for its new currency? Aren't they going to do a credit check and find out that the Greeks don't honour their loans? They're bound to find out and its pretty unlikely that they'd be silly enough to line themselves up to be stiffed by the Greeks. They are not mugs you know.

3. Requisition all German and Luxembourg-owned property/assets in Greece in lieu of WWII reparation payments. Why stop at Germany and Luxembourg? Poland was part of Germany (the Governor Generalate) during WWII. As were Austria (the Anschluss), and the Czech Republic and Slovakia (the Munich Agreement). Why not seize all of the property owed by the nationals of those countries as well? It only seems fair. Also Italy had a role in the invasion of Greece in WWII. In fact the Germans would never have invaded but for the Italians botching the job. Shouldn't you be stiffing the Italians as well?

4. Massive drive to attract British and Russian tourists to a cheaper Greece. A few questions here. First the Russians. Where will their tourists come from given the parlous state of their economy? And why would they go to Greece now that they have lovely Crimea, the Pearl of the Black Sea, back in their hands? Now for the British. What has Greece got that a British tourist would want that Magaluf doesn't have? Don't say culture because Greece has little of it (and the Italians do it better anyway) and British tourists don't want it. If they wanted Greek culture they'd go to the British Museum where it's been sitting for the last 200 years.

5. Threaten to join the SCO, if NATO starts conspiring for a military coup. Don't you think that the SCO's dialogue partners, Turkey, may have something to say about that? Nothing kind, of course. That would be a bit too much to expect of the Turks when talking about Greek matters.

zchabj6 -> JimVxxxx 12 Jun 2015 04:37

The debt jubilee is a very old idea, mentioned in biblical times, but has also had plenty of implementation in medieval and later times where every 10 years or so all debt is wiped out and debt issuing starts again.

This was essentially to stop debt slavery where one class monopolizes resources and lends it out to others to do work for the asset owners to do nothing but live off of the interest on the loans, which is caustic to society.

As for no compound interest. It essentially is my own idea, based on say religious texts that ban interest or usury on loans because of the negative debt slavery consequences.

But the question is, who would then lend to business and people, where is the incentive? So there could be fixed interest on the original sum and no more, unlike today where you pay interest on the intiial sum and the interest on that.

And if you miss payments and there are delays to paying, interest breeds interest, rather than having a known fixed sum of interest to pay back which is much more just.

AER and other formulas are really eating up the entire economic structure, it seems to me there is merit to justice and prosperity too from religious texts, they seem to have a lot of experience in unseating entrenched oligarchs.

REDLAN1 12 Jun 2015 04:29

What I found entertaining, was the statement by Rice, which went "As our managing director has said many times, the IMF never leaves the table," except of course when the entire team gets called back to Washington, and errr... leaves the table...

We are meant to presume that this is a negotiating tactic, and that the IMF is Dirty Harry? In the final scene, Dirty Harry goads the perp into going for his gun so that he can legally kill him in self-defence. Although in the first scene where this is used Dirty Harry's gun is empty. So which is it?

Have they got an empty gun, or are they trying to goad Greece into defaulting, so they can blow them away?

REDLAN1 -> galava 12 Jun 2015 03:52

You can do the math yourself for the UK...

http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/uk_welfare_spending_40.html

I assume UK public spending on pensions at 8.6% of GDP. This 2% average sounds like nonsense.

Scipio1 -> Angkor 12 Jun 2015 03:27

In terms of purchasing power parity China does have the largest economy in the world. The US GDP is roughly $17 trn and China's is roughly $8trn, but a dollar in China goes twice as far as a $ in the US. Moreover China does not have the same debt levels as the US. US public debt is over 100% of GDP. When you count how rich a country is remember to factor in the LIABILITIES as well as the assets. The US is the world's biggest debtor country and China is the biggest creditor.

The US only enjoys (if this is the right word) its current living standards since it controls the world currency. But this is coming to and end as the BRICS nations are de-dollarizing and setting up their own institutions which circumvent the dollar. Institutions such as the AIIB and the BRICS investment bank.

The world is changing old chap, and of course the Americans don't like it; their dominant position is under threat which is why they are trying to arrest this development by any means - financial, economic, political and military - at their disposable.

Hypatia415 -> Quaestio 12 Jun 2015 03:07

Yes, Greece has been fleeced of so many of its assets. Prescient warnings over time of the world's anarchic banking system wreaking havoc and yet never held to account:
http://www.theguardian.com/business/2010/apr/18/goldman-sachs-regulators-civil-charges
http://www.alternet.org/economy/how-goldman-sachs-may-provoke-yet-another-major-financial-crisis

PeregrineSlim 12 Jun 2015 02:47

Leaving the negotiation table is negotiation.

The IMF are not going anywhere. They are just negotiating.

Greece can take heart. They'll do anything for a deal.

ShiresofEngland 12 Jun 2015 02:35

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11654639/IMF-has-betrayed-its-mission-in-Greece-captive-to-EMU-creditors.html

This is the real problem. The IMF should never have been involved in the first place. They should stick to their mandate of only ever loaning money where that debt is sustainable.

For the IMF to walk out that might not be a bad thing, but they should walk out on Merkel and the EU for refusing an OSI, the debt writedown which Greece needs.

It has always been a solvency issue and not a liquidity issue. Until the Troika accept that then no progress can be made.

JimVxxxx -> madrupert 12 Jun 2015 02:35

The IMF is not only about money. They have an ideological mandate too. Now, you may agree with this ideological mandate or not. However, if you do not, then it is best to not borrow money from them!

The IMF would argue that they do put people before money; by increasing the competitiveness of a country they are ultimately benefiting everyone who lives there.

JimVxxxx -> zchabj6 12 Jun 2015 02:28

Some interesting points there... the IMF is a bank, just like any other, with a mandate to encourage free-market policies (as far as I know).

The ECB are far better positioned to provide tools which would lessen the impact for individual EU countries facing sovereign debt funding issues, however, it is not explicitly mandated to do so.

I have never come across the term 'debt jubilee' but it sounds fun; perhaps you could explain what it is? Also, how would abolishing compound interest help?

hermanmitt -> piper909 12 Jun 2015 02:22

This entire situation is a foreshadowing of what's to come in a world that allows international banking cabals and corporate investors to dictate policies to sovereign states, regardless of the will of the people as expressed in open elections.

"Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes it's laws" - Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild

This is just the money phase of a process that takes power away from elected government and hands it to a few bankers. The next stage is to hand the management of that power to the few who run the corporations.

That process is now well under way in the form of TTIP.
Q: Ever wondered how something this important could be discussed in secret?
A: Because these elites do not consider ordinary people to be part of the process, so why would they need to consult us.

Constantine Alexander 12 Jun 2015 02:16

It is very obvious that many of you who have commented have never lived in Greece. Although I have lived and worked in 5 countries, I was born, raised, served my military service and have returned to work in this country that I have always loved but ... the daily corruption, tax evasion on a massive scale, refusal to honour the terms of ordinary contracts that Greeks willingly sign only to later cherry-pick the terms by which they wish to abide and the inherent sense of always feeling victimized by the rest of the world are not productive features in civil society. Did you know that 29 billion (yes - Billion) euros of income tax were not paid by Greek professionals (doctors, lawyers, etc.) in 2009 according to Univ of Chicago researchers?

That figure does not include the tax evasion by the rest of (and the majority of) Greek working people. I am disappointed in the educational system that is ranked lowest in the EU and, most of all, in my fellow citizens who cling to this system of daily corruption and bribe-taking but refuse to recognise this behaviour in themselves. Please stop blaming financial creditors who have a right to request loan conditions (just as we have home loan conditions) that the Greeks could have declined. The financial mismanagement in this country is staggering, so, for those of you who criticize the lenders - don't forget there are two sides to every story and you may not be seeing everything that goes on here.

Renato Timotheus 12 Jun 2015 02:13

I think the solution for Greece is becoming clearer by the day.
1. Default.
2. Secure Russian and Chinese support for the new currency for a period of 2 years or so.
3. Requisition all German and Luxembourg-owned property/assets in Greece in lieu of WWII reparation payments (yes, Luxembourg was a part of Germany in WWII, so it too owes reparations, and many Luxembourg-registered companies have assets in Greece).
4. Massive drive to attract British and Russian tourists to a cheaper Greece.
5. Threaten to join the SCO, if NATO starts conspiring for a military coup.

eastofthesun -> Faith Puleston 12 Jun 2015 02:07

it is a country that thinks the EU is a source of income to make up for them not doing their sums at home

I'm thinking that if lenders have the right to enforce policy decisions, then maybe they ought also to bear a share of responsibility. By which I mean that when the IMF was busy throwing money at Greece's erstwhile administrations it must have been well aware of what was happening with its money (including that bled away into corruption), yet it tolerated it; certainly the IMF had more potential say in Greek policy at the time than the current administration.

If the politicians of earlier administrations abused their access to EU funding, they did so knowing that it would ultimately not be them to pick up the bill. Like most elected politicians they needed only a short-term perspective. The lenders indulged this when the money was being spent in the first place, now they're cracking down on the people who inherited the debt - not those who ran it up. (Of course, the lenders inherit the debt too.)

That's the nature of long-term debt. We need to learn that this lending process is dysfunctional - but both parties to the debt are complicit in that. This is why it is incumbent on the lenders to negotiate.

AlexLeo 12 Jun 2015 01:33

A very irresponsible and simplistic, really sensationalistic summary. The hallmark of a pseudointellectual, a journalist who has never held a real job and seen how money is made and value is created and lives in the imaginary world of movie one liners and simple messages. Holding a gun to his head - are you speaking to a juvenile delinquent trying to get a message across? Pathetic, Cannot see anyone paying money to read this analysis.


Chris Hindle 12 Jun 2015 01:23

IMF to Alexis Tsipras: 'Do you feel lucky, punk?'

Good to see this 'economist' sitting astride the neutral position

I thought everyone realised the Greek people are innocent in all this - that the debts were accrued illegally and probably only as little as 5-10% actually benefitted the Greek people - the rest, inevitably, benefitting Greek bent banksters and politicians.
I wonder if this 'economist' was trained in the dreamworld of neo-classical economics

To put it clearly - Bollox to the IMF -- People first!

Notaterrorist 12 Jun 2015 01:00

The best writing on this subject (not just a regurgitation of "she said, he said" like the above useless piece of "journalism") is by Ambrose Evans-Pritchard in the Daily Telegraph. Below is what he writes today.

If he is correct, I finally understand Schauble - and to my astonishment agree. Neither Greece nor the Eurozone can function while Greece remains in the Euro. It's time for Grexit and a Marshall Plan.

"Mr Schauble is the proponent of a "velvet divorce" for Greece: an orderly exit from the euro and a return to the drachma, with the ECB playing a crucial role in stabilizing the new currency. Germany and other creditors would then step in with a "Marshall Plan" to put the country back on its feet within the EU.

What Mr Schauble is not prepared to accept is a breach of contract by Greece on the terms of its previous "Troika" rescue, which he fears would lead to moral hazard and the collapse of fiscal discipline across Southern Europe. He is backed by much of the ruling Christian Democrat party (CDU) and its Bavarian allies (CSU)

Mrs Merkel appears to have concluded that "Grexit" is fraught with risk and would inevitably be blamed on Germany, leaving a toxic political and emotional legacy."

Quaestio -> MikeBenn 11 Jun 2015 23:00

Why? Because US investment banks were involved in the Greek debt.

Wall St. Helped to Mask Debt Fueling Europe's Crisis

By LOUISE STORY, LANDON THOMAS Jr. and NELSON D. SCHWARTZ
Published: February 13, 2010
The New York Times

Wall Street tactics akin to the ones that fostered subprime mortgages in America have worsened the financial crisis shaking Greece and undermining the euro by enabling European governments to hide their mounting debts.

As worries over Greece rattle world markets, records and interviews show that with Wall Street's help, the nation engaged in a decade-long effort to skirt European debt limits. One deal created by Goldman Sachs helped obscure billions in debt from the budget overseers in Brussels.

Even as the crisis was nearing the flashpoint, banks were searching for ways to help Greece forestall the day of reckoning. In early November - three months before Athens became the epicenter of global financial anxiety - a team from Goldman Sachs arrived in the ancient city with a very modern proposition for a government struggling to pay its bills, according to two people who were briefed on the meeting.

The bankers, led by Goldman's president, Gary D. Cohn, held out a financing instrument that would have pushed debt from Greece's health care system far into the future, much as when strapped homeowners take out second mortgages to pay off their credit cards.

It had worked before. In 2001, just after Greece was admitted to Europe's monetary union, Goldman helped the government quietly borrow billions, people familiar with the transaction said. That deal, hidden from public view because it was treated as a currency trade rather than a loan, helped Athens to meet Europe's deficit rules while continuing to spend beyond its means.

Athens did not pursue the latest Goldman proposal, but with Greece groaning under the weight of its debts and with its richer neighbors vowing to come to its aid, the deals over the last decade are raising questions about Wall Street's role in the world's latest financial drama.

As in the American subprime crisis and the implosion of the American International Group, financial derivatives played a role in the run-up of Greek debt. Instruments developed by Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan Chase and a wide range of other banks enabled politicians to mask additional borrowing in Greece, Italy and possibly elsewhere.

In dozens of deals across the Continent, banks provided cash upfront in return for government payments in the future, with those liabilities then left off the books. Greece, for example, traded away the rights to airport fees and lottery proceeds in years to come.

Critics say that such deals, because they are not recorded as loans, mislead investors and regulators about the depth of a country's liabilities.

Glen Killoran -> Pomario 11 Jun 2015 22:49

Based upon what?

Tourism? Tried that, it allowed the 1950 Greek economy to rocket into the 20's.

Shipping? Too late, that ship has already sailed.

Manufacturing, yeah, Greece will be #1, right after Bangladesh, Vietnam and Cambodia.

Agriculture? Equipment bought with what money, the Drachma? Hmm, that'll be a competitive business model.

Real-estate? Just how expensive do you think homes will be when the local populace is cash poor, in debt, and has no access to credit? Can you say buyers market? It will be the foreign fire sale buyer that buys low, sells high, not the Greeks.

And, all of this assumes the Greek economic model is reformed, and that is what the troika is trying to do right?

Seems to me default is really just the long hard road to reform, if it ever gets there because, there surely no demand for it now.

Mark Richardson 11 Jun 2015 22:46

It is kind of difficult for the new Greek government to give the IMF and its other creditors anything in new austerity measures considering that the Greek unemployment rate is over 25% and the youth unemployment rate is 60%. How much more pain would you be willing to force on your own people if you were a new reform leader considering that this entire crisis was caused when the previous conservative Greek government hid and failed to report half of its entire deficit? I don't see a viable future for Greece that includes having to repay the IMF and other major lenders as any more reforms will just drive the jobless rate and their GDP loss rate higher too.

Basically either the IMF and Germany agree to restructure the Greek debt or Greece will pull-out of the Eurozone, and right after that happens Italy and Spain will be next, which will cause another Great Depression in the major lending countries.

Andrew Paul -> Wood Pomario 11 Jun 2015 22:16

There probably won't be a tourism boom if Grexit triggers a global recession when the EU markets spin into chaos. So why can't they collect tax revenues from the wealthy now and clear up all their problems in the first place?

fflambeau -> Glen Killoran 11 Jun 2015 22:01

I agree that past Greek governments have made huge mistakes. But the main problem is not in pension funds, as you claim, but in military spending. In the 1980's the Greek government spent 6% of its GDP on military expenditures. That is now about 2% of GDP but that is still the second highest of all NATO countries, second only to America.

You seem to miss the point that the current Greek government had nothing to do with the mistakes made by former governments and has done a noble job of righting the ship.

As for your comments about the overly generous nature of Greek pensions, you are off base. Maybe that was the case many years ago, but not in the past couple of years.

fflambeau 11 Jun 2015 21:42

Let's compare the "bailouts" that President Obama worked out with huge Wall St. companies and corporations that failed in 2007-2009. They got enormous funding, trillions of dollars, at virtually no interest and no oversight.

General Motors took $6 billion of its $50 billion bailout and built an automobile manufacturing plant (in Thailand, no less!).

What did the USA's taxpayers make off the billions of dollars it gave GM, at the time the largest corporation in the world? Nothing. In fact, they LOST money.

Reuters and Time both report that the US government LOST money, $11.2 billion, by loaning $50 billion to GM. Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/30/us-autos-gm-treasury-idUSBREA3T0MR20140430

Did the US government put pressure on GM to make them pay back the lost $11.2 billion? Nope.

So those complaining here about giveaways to a lazy Greek people should look at what is really happening in their countries and what the IMF and other international organizations are really doing.

AnhTay 11 Jun 2015 19:10

One possibility is obvious. Greece is prepared to default. They are, quite rationally, waiting to see if they can get a deal with the IMF that would be acceptable as an alternative to default. Even if they cannot, what is the harm in playing out their hand to see if it is possible? There is no point in getting childish about the issue. Negotiations are about business. If Greece chooses to default, so be it. No reason for the IMF to get all gnarly on the point.

fceska -> Bowhill 11 Jun 2015 19:07

That's not the only thing that's wrong. The whole article is completely one-sided. This paragraph for instance:

Up until now, the view in Athens has been that the troika – made up of the IMF, the European Central Bank and the European commission – has been bluffing. The view has been that there is always room for a bit more haggling, always time to cut a better deal that would avoid the need to make the changes to pensions, VAT and collective bargaining being demanded in exchange for fresh financial assistance.

could be rewritten as:

Up until now, the troika – made up of the IMF, the European Central Bank and the European commission – has been of the view that Athens has been bluffing. The view has been that there is always room for a bit more arm-twisting, always time to force a tougher deal that would ratify the need to make the changes to pensions, VAT and collective bargaining which they were demanding in exchange for yet more unsustainable financial assistance.


aretzios -> mariandavid 11 Jun 2015 18:37

You have it all wrong. You should read the IMF reports. The IMF actually urged the EU to write-off part of the Greek debt. The IMF felt that it was put in a bad situation, brought in by the EU to manage the problem without any of the tools usually allowed in these situations, such as debt write-off and devaluation. In its 2014 report, the IMF stated that the whole "bailout" deal was not to rescue Greece but to rescue the Euro. Now, knowing that it is not going to get any assistance from the EU, it is putting the pressure on Greece to get its funds from there. I think that the IMF feels trapped in a situation that it was not of its making.

The issue of the pensions is the most galling one. During the 2012 write-down, the EU protected all its assets; the 50 billion euros in Greek bonds held by the ECB were not subject to the write-down. However, all Greek pensions funds were forced (literally forced) to participate. They collected just 17 cents to the Euro (or thereabouts) in the bond exchange. Of course, now the EU claims that there is no money to service the current pensions, thus the pensions need to be reduced! Considering that the average pension is about 600 euros (and living costs in Greece are very much the same as in the UK), one can see how galling this is (and they already have gone down by 40% in the last five years). If you add to this the demanded tax increases, the whole thing almost sounds like a Mafia protection racket.

Even though the IMF is not "impressed" with the concessions that the Greek government has made thus far, this government would not really survive if it brings this package to the parliament. A good number of its MPs would not vote for it and many of its ministers would resign. The resulting turmoil would only deepen the political crisis.

At the end, the EU will find a very anti-EU militant country in its southeast corner with more to follow. Not really good for anybody

[Jun 12, 2015] The West opens a second front against the Russian elite in Ukraine - Fort Russ

June 12, 2015 | Pravoye Delo

Translated by Kristina Rus

In addition to sanctions, Western-controlled Ukraine increases pressure on the Russian elite, by going after their property.

We already wrote about the Ukrainian junta making moves primarily, legal, on the seizure of Russian state property in Ukraine - http://pravoe-org.livejournal.com/521470.html
Perhaps the most serious take over was a pipeline in Western Ukraine of the Russian state corporation "Transneft".

Now, however, the situation has changed. Ukraine started seizing the property of the Russian oligarchs. The hype just increased in the last few days, especially on June 10 and 11, when it became clear that the Minsk-2 is going down the drain. Basically, the flood gates had opened.

In the period from June 8 to 11 a process of requisition of property of the Russian oligarchs began in Ukraine. First of all, Oleg Deripaska lost (in favor of the state) the Zaporozhye Aluminum plant, and Viktor Vekselberg, with a combination of pressure from the Prosecutor's office and an armed takeover, is losing the Pobuzhsky Ferronikel plant.

However, ukies honestly warned about such scenario by the raider №1 in Ukraine - Gennady Korban (a person close to "Benya" Kolomoisky [Korban is former deputy governor of Dnepropetrovsk region - KR], and Korban had the experience of seizing the Russian property in the pre-Maidan era). At the end of May, Korban announced his plan on how to repossess the Russian property:

"Russian banks on the territory of Ukraine shall be confiscated in the first place. They can affect both the exchange rate and loan servicing and property of state corporations. Today a number of Ukrainian state corporations just service the enemy credits".

"If these or other capitals, originating from Russia, are related to specific individuals, directly or indirectly involved in the funding or facilitating terrorism, separatism and the war in our country, then, on the basis of this law, their property on mainland Ukraine must be confiscated," - said Korban, and as an example, listed a number of large Ukrainian enterprises, owned by Russian oligarchs:

  • Nikolaev Alumina refinery and ZAlK [Zaporozhye Aluminum plant] of Oleg Deripaska
  • Pobujsky Ferronickel plant of Viktor Vekselberg
  • Coal coke enterprises, the "South" mine and Dnepropetrovsk Petrovsky metallurgical plant, belonging to the group "Evraz"
  • Purchased by VTB group, assets of the Industrial Union of Donbass
http://dnpr.com.ua/content/korban-potreboval-konfiskovat-rossiyskie-banki-i-sobstvennost-rossiyskih-oligarhov

Today, the "Cunning Plan of Korban", unlike the CPP [the Cunning Plan of Putin], is being implemented. Actively implemented. Here are the facts:

First, nationalization

On June 9, junta has completed the process of "nationalization" of Zaporozhye Aluminium plant: ZALK was adjudged from the holding "RUSAL" of Russian Oleg Deripaska. The controlling stake, which is 68.01% of the total number of shares was credited to the account of the State Property Fund of Ukraine. State raiding by the junta became possible after March 11, when the supreme court upheld the "legitimacy" of demands for the return of shares to the state due to the failure by the investor (Deripaska's holding company) to fulfill obligations (formally, the Russian "AVTOVAZ-Invest" and Cyprus company Velbay Holdings could not settle a debt). The official message of junta Prosecutor General can be found here: http://www.gp.gov.ua/ua/news.html?_m=publications&_c=view&_t=rec&id=157430

It's also important to note that Korban's gang set its sights on ZALK since the end of last year:

"In early November, the plant (ZALK) came under the cross-hairs of fighters of battalion "Aidar", the financing of which is connected to the Governor of Dnepropetrovsk region, Igor Kolomoisky. On the night of November 9, 2014 the fighters of Aydar barricaded themselves in the building of Zaporozhzhye Aluminium plant, allegedly "to prevent looting". Zaporozhye police had to aid in liberating the plant from the patriots.

http://rian.com.ua/analytics/20141113/359497708.html

But it was too rough, now they decided to maintain the facade of legitimacy.


Second, revocation of licenses and liquidation


On June 11, in the afternoon, the National Bank of Ukraine adopted the decision on revocation of the banking license and liquidation of "Energobank", according to the resolution of the board of the National Bank of Ukraine (NBU) No. 370, dated June 11.

http://bank.gov.ua/control/uk/publish/article?art_id=18299746&cat_id=55838

Formally "Energobank" is owned by a Russian businessman, Anatoly Danilitskiy. Previously, it belonged to the group of oligarch Alexander Lebedev, the one who likes to engage in publishing activity in London. However, two years ago information surfaced, that there is a written obligation of the new owner Anatoly Danilitsky on reissuance of shares of the bank to the "National Reserve Company" (NRK) of Lebedev. Thus, Danilitsky owns "Energobank" nominally, but the real owner is still Alexander Lebedev. Security services of Ukraine considered the bank a financial "wash" of the Russian oligarchs.

http://sled.net.ua/kievskiy/energobank/kak/moyka/rossiyskogo/oligarkha/2013/06/02 )

But now the bank is liquidated.

Third, a take over with a shoot out

June 11, in the evening. A capture of Pobujsky Ferronickel plant (PFC). This is the only enterprise in Ukraine and the former Soviet Union, producing ferronickel on an industrial scale from poor oxidized nickel ores. Located on the territory of Kirovograd region, on the border with Nikolaev region.

Here is the sequence of events:

1. In Golovanevsk district, Kirovograd region, at around 21:00 a group of armed men tried to enter the Pobuzhsky Ferronickel plant, at the moment they were negotiating with the administration, reported the head of the village council of Dolgaya Pristan of the Nikolaev region, Sergey Titarenko (this settlement is adjacent to the Kirovograd region). "About an hour ago armed men tried to enter the Pobuzhsky Ferronickel plant. Our town is a mile from the plant. We could hear shooting. At the moment there is information on negotiations between the invaders and the administration, " said Sergey Titarenko.

In Pobuzhye, the village head, Sergey Slobodyanyuk explained: "Even this morning the representatives of the prosecutor and tax authorities of Kirovograd region, accompanied by the detachment of police, tried to enter the territory of the enterprise, but only a tax investigator went into the plant. At 9 p.m. about 50 people with guns in black uniforms arrived on buses. They failed to get inside, facing resistance from the staff and the guards. Meanwhile, armed men accompanied the man, who declared that according to the decision of the court, he is the new owner of the Ferronickel plant", - said Sergey Slobodyanyuk. He also added that tomorrow morning, to avoid bloodshed a meeting for the employees, the current administration and the alleged new owner of the enterprise will be held in Pobuzhye House of Culture to determine the fate of the plant.

http://nikvesti.com/news/incidents/70619

2. In the evening, at a press conference in Kiev, the CEO of the Pobuzhsky Ferronickel plant, Oleg Bespalov has informed that on June 11, unknown persons were trying to block the products of Pobujsky Ferronickel plant in Kirovograd region, the investor of which is Solway Investment Group:

"Actions by unknown persons to block the import of a large batch of nickel ore and ferronickel and the prosecutor's office of Kirovograd region conducting simultaneous search actions, we consider as an attempt of illegal seizure of the property of the group"

Deputy director of the PFC on legal affairs, Rustam Dzhamgurov, in turn added that accusations towards PFC are absurd, because PFC provides processing services and does not produce the product, and added that enforcement proceedings opened against PFC were opened due to a claim of a physical person, who has no relation to the company. Dzhamgurov clarified that this individual has never appeared in court and did not provide explanatory materials on the case:

"In this case we are talking about an organized judicial arbitrariness and lawlessness ... 72 thousand tonnes of ore and 7 thousand tons of ferronickel were arrested. The company is carrying huge losses."

http://comments.ua/politics/517228-rukovodstvo-pfk-zayavilo-zahvate.html

3. The products of PFC are shipped through the port of Ilyichevsk, and there it was detained. (Ilyichevsk - is Odessa region, where Saakashvili is now governor). It is important that on June 8 a scandal was raised claiming the products of PFC are used for defense purposes and are illegally shipped to Russia:

"Press service (of the port) stated that on Monday, June 8, false information was circulated about the alleged illegal shipment of ferronickel products used in the defense industry, in particular, in the production of alloy steel for armored vehicles. At the port this media campaign to discredit the head of the enterprise, Yury Kruk, was connected to the search for the position of director of the Ilyichevsk Commercial Sea Port, conducted by the Ministry of Infrastructure. On June 8, some online media, indeed, reported that allegedly the arrested batch of 7 thousand tons of ferronickel was being loaded on the ship "Seldonis" at terminal 4 of Pier 18 of the Ilyichevsk port. ... The shipment of ferronickel is allegedly owned by "Bowring Trading", and it was going to be transported to Russia."

http://www.04868.com.ua/article/851529

Oh, and by the way, who is watching TV? Is there anything on Russia-24 or the Channel 1 on the an armed seizure of a Ferronickel plant, which essentially belongs to Russian investors? And on the liquidation of a Russian Bank? Nothing? Let's pretend, it's not ours?... Oh, well...

And more. Such an attack on the property of the Russian oligarchs (Deripaska, and most importantly, Vekselberg, and the attack will likely continue) is going on with the full support of the state - Prosecutor General. Therefore, it is planned. Consequently, it's a part of a master plan. A plan of pressure on their property, in addition to the sanctions of the West against Russia, which were largely intended to cause discontent in the Russian oligarchy. Today, yesterday, the day before yesterday a second front was opened in this direction.

[Jun 12, 2015] American Congress bullish on stoking Ukrainian civil war

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yalensis, June 12, 2015 at 4:20 pm

American Congress bullish on stoking Ukrainian civil war.
marknesop, June 12, 2015 at 5:18 pm
"The push by lawmakers to arm Ukraine's beleaguered armed forces threatens to open a rift between the United States and key allies, especially Germany and France, at a time when the Obama administration has been working to demonstrate unified support for extending European economic sanctions against Russia that are scheduled to expire at the end of July."

In what way are Ukraine's armed forces "beleaguered"? The word means "besieged, under siege, blockaded, surrounded, encircled, beset, hemmed in, under attack". In fact, it is the eastern regions they are attacking which are blockaded and under siege. Before the war it was a net exporter of weaponry. "Arming Ukraine" would just be the thin edge of the wedge; then it would transpire – when the state still did not manage to get the business done – that Ukraine needed "more help". In retrospect it was clever planning that the only air component is Ukrainian, because the No-Fly Zone is a tried and true vector for mission creep. The Ukrainian armed forces in fact has no military victories to its credit at all unless you count Slaviansk, and its modus operandi is parking outside city limits and shelling the city day in and day out. Dead accurate, too; a city is hard to miss with artillery.

If the shoe were on the other foot, though, and a rebel army was shelling Kiev, the screaming and wailing from the western media, the "Oh, the Humanity!!!" pieces, would be something to behold. Then every western journalist would be as conversant with international humanitarian law as they are with a street map of their home town.

Fern , June 12, 2015 at 7:33 pm
Seems Ukraine and the US have got some sort of bizarre exchange programme going on. While Washington has been hosting Yatsenyuk (whose visit could be summed up by endless reiterations of 'Russian aggression blah, blah', interspersed with the occasional 'gimme me the money'), Kiev has been honoured by a visit from none other than Samantha Power, yes, Ms Responsibility to Protect (but not folk living in the Donbas).

"Power maintains a crass double standard where the crimes of US allies are concerned (to say nothing of the crimes of US imperialism itself in Iraq, Afghanistan and other countries). She has shown no outrage over mass slaughters by Israel in Gaza or by Egyptian military dictator al-Sisi, and she supports the ongoing campaign of starvation and bombing by Saudi Arabia in Yemen.

Even by these standards, Power's speech in Kiev Thursday was remarkable for its duplicity and hypocrisy. She denounced as "myths" the well-grounded contention of Russian officials that "the Maidan protesters were pawns of the West," and that "Euromaidan had been engineered by Western capitals in order to topple a democratically-elected government."……

Power declared that the Maidan movement was directed against "the concentration of power in the hands of a few oligarchs," while avoiding any mention of the Ukrainian president who came to power as a consequence: billionaire Petro Poroshenko, known as the "chocolate king," who personifies the corrupt oligarchy whose grip on Ukraine has only been strengthened.

Turning to the current political crisis in Ukraine, provoked by massive cuts in social spending and living standards demanded by the country's creditors, including the IMF, EU and United States, Power declared that this was the fulfillment of the Maidan movement of 2013-2014. "It is about moving from demanding change to actually making change," she declared. "You are still living in the revolution."

Thousands dead in the East, many thousands more injured, many with life-changing conditions like amputations, a million plus refugees, massive destruction of property, an economy in the toilet, people all over Ukraine struggling to cope with declining incomes and ever-increasing prices and they're "still living in the revolution"? The western political class is just irredeemably depraved.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/human-rights-imperialism-in-ukraine/5455253

[Jun 11, 2015] Thrown under a bus?

Moscow Exile , June 11, 2015 at 11:36 am
Karlin:

Novorossiya Sitrep June 5, 2015

The plan now, as it has been since April 2014, is to federalize Ukraine through the Minsk process, guaranteeing the East wide autonomy which would serve to complicate Ukraine's integration with the EU and make NATO membership essentially impossible. Like it or not, but Novorossiya is superfluous to this. This is not a "victory," but nor is it a betrayal. It's an acknowledgement of today's realities.

Thrown under a bus?

[Jun 11, 2015] For all the conspiracy theorist fruitcakes, it really does still matter which side of the bread is buttered

et Al, June 11, 2015 at 9:23 am
You didn't get him mixed up with the Chief Rabbit of Ukraine per chance?

Thanks for that though.

I'm not surprised by the paranoia, but what is evident is that he lacks political nous. When the shit gets funky, European Jews usually go schtum and head for the nearest bunker, something which is entirely the opposite habit in the US. The only open comments that I have heard was when Kiev was being accused of being russophobic and anti-semitic, Kiev's response was to have (probably the same guy) say it isn't true, which of course he would say, otherwise he would be considered a traitor and thus a target.

Either way, Ukrainian banderites have all had their media training drummed in to them and have stopped openly saying anything anti-semitic in public so as not to embarrass their western sponsors who continue to peddle that Kiev is all milk and honey.

The same happened during the Balkans wars where Zagreb & Sarajevo were protected despite the antisemitism & Holocaust revisionism of Tudjman and the World War II record of Izetbegovic and his Islamic Declaration. Tudjman even got invited to the inaugural opening of the US Holocaust Memorial Museum (Jews were never ignorant of who did what during WWI in the Balkans) yet the silence from the top Jews in the US about this was deafening, some even openly siding with the administration (thanks also to PR firm Rudder-Finn) – was somewhat confusing for the rank an file who knew better.

So, for all the conspiracy theorist fruitcakes, it really does still matter which side of the bread is buttered. If you don't agree with state policy or won't publicly go along with it, STFU. It's not a request. You also saw this difference clearly between Israel & the US, with Israel being staunchly pro-Serb and helping out.

[Jun 10, 2015] Paul Krugman Fighting the Derp\

"..."Derp" is a term borrowed from the cartoon "South Park"...: people who keep saying the same thing no matter how much evidence accumulates that it's completely wrong. ..."
Jun 8, 2015 | Economist's View

Paul Krugman: Fighting the Derp

"How can you protect yourself against derpitude?":
Fighting the Derp, by Paul Krugman, Commentary, NY Times: When it comes to economics - and other subjects, but I'll focus on what I know best - we live in an age of derp and cheap cynicism. ...

What am I talking about here? "Derp" is a term borrowed from the cartoon "South Park"...: people who keep saying the same thing no matter how much evidence accumulates that it's completely wrong. ...

And there's a lot of derp out there. Inflation derp, in particular, has become more or less a required position among Republicans. ... And that tells you why derp abides: it's basically political. ...

Still, doesn't everyone do this? No... There's also plenty of genuine, honest analysis out there - and you don't have to be a technical expert to tell the difference.

I've already mentioned one telltale sign of derp: predictions that just keep being repeated no matter how wrong they've been in the past. Another sign is the never-changing policy prescription, like the assertion that slashing tax rates on the wealthy, which you advocate all the time, just so happens to also be the perfect response to a financial crisis nobody expected.

Yet another is a call for long-term responses to short-term events – for example, a permanent downsizing of government in response to a recession. ...

So ... how can you ... protect yourself against derpitude? The first line of defense, I'd argue, is to always be suspicious of people telling you what you want to hear.

Thus, if you're a conservative opposed to a stronger safety net, you should be extra skeptical about claims that health reform is about to crash and burn, especially coming from people who made the same prediction last year and the year before (Obamacare derp runs almost as deep as inflation derp).

But if you're a liberal who believes that we should reduce inequality, you should similarly be cautious about studies purporting to show that inequality is responsible for many of our economic ills, from slow growth to financial instability. Those studies might be correct - the fact is that there's less derp on America's left than there is on the right - but you nonetheless need to fight the temptation to let political convenience dictate your beliefs.

Fighting the derp can be hard, not least because it can upset friends who want to be reassured in their beliefs. But you should do it anyway: it's your civic duty.

anne said...

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/06/08/i-do-not-think-that-derp-means-what-you-think-it-means/

June 8, 2015

I Do Not Think That Derp Means What You Think It Means
By Paul Krugman

Continuing on the theme of derp in policy discourse: * Vox coincidentally has a post ** about Hillary Clinton's proposal for automatic voter registration noting that signing up less informed voters isn't necessarily a bad thing, because "informed" voters mainly seem to be informed about the party line. In effect, they know which derp they're supposed to repeat.

Indeed, regular viewers of Fox are worse at answering simple questions about reality than people who watch no news at all.

Meanwhile, however, I'm getting a lot of people saying "Oh yeah? You do derp more than anyone!"

No, I don't. You may believe that I am evil or stupid, or evil andstupid. But derp means something specific: it means always saying the same thing, regardless of circumstances, and regardless of past errors. Declaring that the Federal Reserve's policies are going to cause hyperinflation, year after year, when it keeps not happening is derp. Declaring that we need aggressive fiscal and monetary expansion when the economy is depressed isn't. It's not an invariant claim - in fact, I get accused (stupidly) of some kind of inconsistency because I thought deficits were bad under Bush but good under Obama. And it's not a prediction that has repeatedly proved false.

What the accusers really mean here is that I keep saying things they dislike and dispute. But that's not derp, that's just disagreement. There's a difference, and only the derpy fail to grasp that difference.

* http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/08/opinion/paul-krugman-fighting-the-derp.html

** http://www.vox.com/2015/6/8/8740897/informed-voters-may-not-be-better-voters

Peter K. said in to EMichael... Monday, June 08, 2015 at 09:14 AM
It's a lefty version of Republican derp. They know Obummer is a centrist sellout, ergo Obamacare is bad.

I just think the stats speak for themselves and will so increasingly as times go by.

With inflation and monetary policy, the derp is strong even on the left. It's harder to argue conclusively about macro which is why it's so vulnerable to derp.

Brian said in to DrDick... Monday, June 08, 2015 at 11:57 AM

The president who protected the culprits who made the 2008 banking crash is center-left? The president who then protected the felonies of robo-signing is center-left? The president whose policy caused the destruction of half of black American net worth is center-left? The president who prosecuted more whistleblowers more aggressively than any in history is center-left?

The president who continues to maintain classified state secret status of a trade treaty that he is pushing through Congress is center-left?

This is not a center-left administration.

pgl said in to pgl... Monday, June 08, 2015 at 10:27 AM

Dean Baker on the Deflation Cultists at the NYTimes:

http://www.cepr.net/blogs/beat-the-press/deflation-nonsense-in-nyt

It starts with our something our gold bug cultist (JohnH) should read:

It is amazing how economic reporters continue to repeat nonsense about deflation. As fans of arithmetic and logic everywhere know, deflation is bad for the same reason a lower rate of inflation is bad. It raises the real interest rate at a time when we want a lower real interest rate and it increases the real value of debt when we want to see the real value of debt reduced. (The real interest rate is the nominal interest minus the inflation rate.)

JohnH said in to pgl... Monday, June 08, 2015 at 10:49 AM
Well, I finally caught pgl in a lie. He has not read Piketty! If he had read Piketty he would understand what he said about inflation. It's all over the book.

Piketty said, "inflation in France and Germany averaged 13 and 17 percent a year, respectively, from 1913 to 1950. It was inflation that allowed both countries to embark on reconstruction efforts of the 1950s with a very small burden of public debt," (because they had effectively eliminated the public debt via inflation.)

Regarding Britain, in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries the British monarchy chose to borrow without limit to finance wars. "it would take a century of budget surpluses to gradually reduce Britain's debt to under 30 percent of national income in the 1910s."

During the 20th century "in Britain, things were done differently [from France and Germany:] more slowly and with less passion. Between 1913 and 1950, the average rate of inflation was a little more than 3 percent a year...Britain was fully mobilized to pay for the war effort without undue dependence on the printing press, with the result that by 1950 the country found itself saddled with a colossal debt, more than 200 percent of GDP, even higher than in 1815. Only with the inflation of the 1950s (more than 4 percent a year) and above all of the 1970s (nearly 15 percent a year) did Britain's debt fall to around 50 percent of GDP." This experience helps explain why British politicians are more sensitive to a high structural deficit (5.7% of GDP) than liberal economists, who could care less about such things.

pgl (and many liberal economists) think that massive debt levels are a free lunch, and that there are no consequences! However, as interest rates, as eventually they must, and governments must roll over debts, debt service impinges on the government budget, necessitating increases in taxes or decreases in investments and services. Alternatively, governments can choose to just inflate away their debts, as France and Germany did, something that liberal economists do not seem to particularly concerned about, despite the adverse impact on significant portions of society.

JohnH said in to JohnH... Monday, June 08, 2015 at 02:47 PM
correction: "as interest rates rise, as inevitably they must..."
JohnH said in to pgl... Monday, June 08, 2015 at 05:58 PM
And just what did pgl see in Piketty? Surely not that France and Germany used it to wipe out the public debt. And surely not that Britain soldiered 25 years under the burden of its public debt after WWII rather than resorting to inflation.

I guess pgl conveniently skimmed over a lot of things that he disagreed with, even though this was repeated several times in the book.

pgl said in to JohnH... Monday, June 08, 2015 at 07:18 PM
"Only with the inflation of the 1950s (more than 4 percent a year) and above all of the 1970s (nearly 15 percent a year) did Britain's debt fall to around 50 percent of GDP."

This is funny because you earlier said the UK did not use inflation to lower its public debt. I and Anne noted that its inflation rate since 1955 has been higher than that of France, Germany, and the UK. And Piketty notes it was high too.

Do make up your mind someday - please. Every one has noticed how much your fact free rants contradict each other. It is getting really embarrassing.

pgl said in to JohnH... Monday, June 08, 2015 at 06:01 PM
JohnH has figured out that there was a lot of inflation in Germany between World War I and World War II. Wow! The economic issues for the Weimer Republic have been long discussed. The Treaty of Versailles and its war reparations was the subject of Keynes first important thesis, which has been widely discussed but I guess JohnH missed that discussion and its importance for the Greek situation. It was this issue that the government used as its excuse for excessive monetary growth and the resulting hyperinflation. But that ended and the 1924-1929 Golden Era followed. I guess JohnH missed that too.

But the real crisis – which is what led to Hitler displacing this regime – was when they listened to gold bug idiots like JohnH, PeterK has reminded us of Brüning's policy of deflation which led to a massive recession. I guess JohnH has chosen to ignore this. But Piketty noted in his book. Funny that JohnH never mentions the disaster that listening to his gold bug stupidity led to.

JohnH said in to pgl... Monday, June 08, 2015 at 06:24 PM
pgl still thinks that high public debt is a free lunch...I mean, what could go wrong? The experiences of Germany, France and Britain mean nothing to him.

Now, pgl, can you tell me exactly why Piketty doesn't like inflation? And can you tell me the only thing that Piketty thinks is worse than inflation?

Now we'll see if pgl has read Piketty, as he claims.

Sandwichman said... Monday, June 08, 2015 at 07:21 PM
"But if you're a liberal who believes that we should reduce inequality, you should similarly be cautious about studies purporting to show that inequality is responsible for many of our economic ills, from slow growth to financial instability."

Following up on that point, Sandwichman has a comment on Dean Baker's response to Krugman's blog post, "Musings on Inequality and Growth"

"Inequality, Growth and Leisure"

http://econospeak.blogspot.ca/2015/06/inequality-growth-and-leisure.html

In response to musings by Paul Krugman on inequality and growth, Dean Baker asks whether taking more of the benefits in leisure time might skew the appearance of the data. That is to say if the value of leisure wasn't excluded from GDP, those countries that took more leisure -- and, incidentally, are relatively more equal -- would have higher growth rates.

Ironically, Dean doesn't have the time just now to check that one out. Sandwichman has time but not Dean's virtuosity with data.

As Krugman argues, "there just isn't a striking, simple relationship between inequality and growth; all the results depend on doing fairly elaborate data massaging..." There isn't a striking result to be had from the data for a good reason. There isn't a single relationship in the underlying reality. The results are also constrained by what questions are being asked.

The presumptive question seems to be whether inequality is good or bad for growth. Is that the only question worth asking? Is it the best question? Dean framed his question about leisure as a supplement. He remarks, mock apologetically, "there is nothing wrong with taking the benefits of higher productivity in the form of leisure rather than income."

Wanna bet?

There must indeed be "something wrong" with taking the benefits of higher productivity as leisure. Otherwise, why would economists echo, decade after decade, the lump-of-labor refrain against the "fallacy" of reducing working time? If there really was nothing wrong with taking the benefits of productivity as leisure, then, hey presto, that boilerplate injunction would be superfluous -- inappropriate, even.

Are economists ignoring the obvious?

Sixty years ago, Simon Kuznets -- who won the Sveriges Bank ("Nobel") Prize for his pioneering work in national income accounting -- was puzzled by his finding that for a limited sample of industrially-advanced countries, inequality didn't increase with growth. He was puzzled, in part, because ceteris paribus, "the cumulative effect of such inequality in savings would be the concentration of an increasing proportion of income-yielding assets in the hands of the upper groups." This was the famous inverted "U"-shaped Kuznets curve. Subsequent research by Thomas Piketty has shown the curve to be an anomalous statistical artifact of the periodization and country selection.

There are a multitude of factors that could explain the Kuznets curve anomaly and it is doubtful that knot could ever be untangled. But let me suggest a factor candidate. The period in which the Kuznets curve prevailed was the period in which the eight-hour day became standardized in the industrially-advanced countries. Instead of looking exclusively at the relationship between growth and inequality, might there not be greater insight gained from investigating the triad of growth, inequality and leisure?

anne said in to Sandwichman... Monday, June 08, 2015 at 12:15 PM
http://www.cepr.net/blogs/beat-the-press/krugman-inequality-and-growth

June 8, 2015

Krugman, Inequality, and Growth

Paul Krugman questions * whether there is an existence of positive relationship between equality and growth. He rightly cautions those on the left against being too quick to accept the existence of such a relationship.

He uses a simple graph showing the relationship between inequality and growth per working age person in the years 1985 to 2007. His takeaway is that there is not much a positive relationship, but there clearly is no negative relationship between equality in growth. In other words, the people who are that we need to have more inequality to support stronger growth have a hard case to make using this simple comparison.

I would suggest taking the analysis one step further. One big difference between countries over this period is the extent to which they opted to take the benefits from growth in more leisure time. There are large differences in the decline in the length of the average work year across countries.

Using the OECD data ** (which is not perfect for international comparisons) we find that relatively equal France saw a decline in average work hours of 10.2 percent over this period. Denmark had a decline of 5.3 percent, and West Germany had a drop of 15.9 percent. These would translate into annual increases in GDP per potential work hour of 0.5, 0.2, and 0.8 percentage points, respectively.

By contrast, in the relatively unequal U.K. the drop in average hours was 4.7 percent, in Canada 3.1 percent, and in the U.S. 2.2 percent. These translates in gains in annual GDP per potential hour worked of 0.2, 0.1, and 0.1 percentage points, respectively.

Would looking at GDP per potential hour worked strengthen the positive correlation between equality and growth? I don't have time to check that one just now, but a quick eyeballing of the data suggests that it is possible. This still would not be conclusive evidence that equality is good for growth, but it would be interesting. And, it is an important reminder that there is nothing wrong with taking the benefits of higher productivity in the form of leisure rather than income. The planet will thank you for it.

* http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/06/08/musings-on-inequality-and-growth/

** https://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?DataSetCode=ANHRS

-- Dean Baker

anne said in to Sandwichman... Monday, June 08, 2015 at 12:27 PM
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/06/08/musings-on-inequality-and-growth/

June 8, 2015

Musings on Inequality and Growth
By Paul Krugman

I've been using the case of research on inequality and growth as an example of an issue where liberals need to be careful not to let wishful thinking drive their conclusions; it would fit perfectly with our world view if inequality were not just a bad thing but also bad for the economy, which is a reason to bend over backwards to avoid accepting that conclusion too easily. But what do we really know?

Well, there have been a number of studies that seem to find a negative relationship, all based on some kind of international cross-section approach (some with time-series aspects too). So what is my problem? In general, I have doubts about the whole growth regression methodology, which has lots of problems in identifying causation (remember, that's the methodology behind the Reinhart-Rogoff debt-threshold paper). Beyond that, there just isn't a striking, simple relationship between inequality and growth; all the results depend on doing fairly elaborate data massaging, which might be right but might also be teasing out a relationship that isn't really there.

Let me give you a picture showing what I think we know. It compares inequality with growth; I've made some data choices that others may wish to do differently, so let me explain those details. First, instead of raw Ginis I use the new Gornick-Milanovic numbers * for households without members over 60. Second, I measure growth in real GDP per working-age adult (15-64), because raw GDP per capita is significantly affected by demographic divergence. Third, I look at the period 1985-2007 - essentially, the Great Moderation - because I'm not talking about macroeconomic policy. Oh, and finally I exclude both transition economies (which went from Communist to very poor capitalist circa 1990, and have very different stories) and Ireland, which grew so fast that it's hard to see anything else.

Here's what I get:

[Growth in GDP per working-age adult, 1985-2007]

If you squint, maybe you see a very slight negative relationship here (R-squared of 0.02, if you care), but it's not much. Basically, there isn't much difference in growth rates overall; the low-inequality northern Europeans have a range of outcomes not noticeably different from the high-inequality Anglo-Saxons.

I might also note that low inequality is no protection against financial crisis - the Nordics had some major ones in the early 1990s. Also Denmark and the Netherlands have very high levels of household debt.

It's important to realize that the absence of any clear relationship is a big win for progressives: right-wingers always claim that any attempt to reduce inequality will hurt the feelings of job creators and kill growth, but there's not a hint of that problem in the data. But not much evidence that failure to reduce inequality kills growth, either. And I personally am making an effort not to be greedy - not to claim that a drive against inequality, which I view as crucially important for social and political reasons, is also the cure for lots of other things.

* http://www.gc.cuny.edu/CUNY_GC/media/CUNY-Graduate-Center/PDF/Centers/LIS/LIS-Center-Research-Brief-1-2015.pdf?ext=.pdf

anne said in to Sandwichman... Monday, June 08, 2015 at 12:28 PM
https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?g=1dLF

August 4, 2014

Real per capita Gross Domestic Product for Sweden, Denmark, Norway and Finland, 1985-2007

(Percent change)

anne said in to Sandwichman... Monday, June 08, 2015 at 12:31 PM
https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?g=1dLH

August 4, 2014

Real per capita Gross Domestic Product for United States, United Kingdom, Germany and France, 1985-2007

(Percent change)

anne said in to Sandwichman... Monday, June 08, 2015 at 12:32 PM
https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?g=1dLL

August 4, 2014

Real per capita Gross Domestic Product for Ireland, Portugal, Spain, Italy and Greece, 1985-2007

(Percent change)

Dorian Cole said... Monday, June 08, 2015 at 12:32 PM
There have been a number of studies done on this, including the fact that arguing with "Derps" makes them go to ridiculous logical extremes to justify their beliefs. It's counterproductive to argue with them. I cover this in this article:

http://onespiritresources.com/articles/influence.php

Sandwichman said in to Dorian Cole... Monday, June 08, 2015 at 12:27 PM
Yes, there is no chance of persuading with facts someone whose mind is made up. One would have a better chance with a fence post. The only point to such an argument is for the sake of the spectators -- if there is an undecided audience.
EMichael said in to Sandwichman... Monday, June 08, 2015 at 12:46 PM

I much prefer liberal applications of prozac and/or a baseball bat to those people. Far more effective than a fence post. And in the case of the drug they may actually become human.

EMichael said in to Sandwichman... Monday, June 08, 2015 at 01:15 PM

Ohh,

And you can get a better grip on a baseball bat. Bat speed is real important in this area.

Sandwichman said in to EMichael... Monday, June 08, 2015 at 12:57 PM
Not to mention the splinters you get from fence posts!
Sandwichman said in to Dorian Cole... Monday, June 08, 2015 at 01:45 PM

See also: "Why We Ignore the Obvious: The Psychology of Willful Blindness"

http://www.brainpickings.org/2014/08/27/willful-blindness-margaret-heffernan

Top Russia Scholar Stephen Cohen War between NATO and Russia a Real Possibility by Damir Marinovich

Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vWzHhW_qNiM

  • Round Table on "Defining a new security architecture for Europe that brings Russia in from the cold" was held in Brussels on March 2.
  • The organizer of the event was the American committee for East West Accord.
  • Three key presenters were American scholars Professor John Mearsheimer and Professor Steve Cohen, and publisher-editor of The Nation, Katrina Vanden Heuvel.
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Professor Stephen Cohen is one of the most respected authorities on Russia among American and Western scholars. He is an American scholar of Russian studies at Princeton University and New York University. His academic work concentrates on modern Russian history and Russia's relationship with the United States.

The key points of Cohen's extraordinary speech:

  • The possibility of premeditated war with Russia is real; this was never a possibility during Soviet times.
  • This problem did not begin in November 2013 or in 2008, this problem began in 1990's when the Clinton administration adopted a "winner-takes-all" policy towards post-Soviet Russia.
  • Next to NATO expansion, the US adopted a form of a negotiation policy called "selective cooperation" - Russia gives, the US takes.
  • There is not a single example of any major concession or reciprocal agreement that the US offered Russia in return for what it has received since the 90s.
  • This policy has been pursued by every president and every US Congress, from President Clinton to President Obama.
  • The US is entitled to a global sphere of influence, but Russia is not entitled to any sphere of influence at all, not even in Georgia or Ukraine.
  • For 20 years Russia was excluded from the European security system. NATO expansion was a pivot of this security system and it was directed against Russia.
  • Putin started as a pro-Western leader, he wanted partnership with the US, provided helping hand after 9/11 and saved many American lives in Afghanistan.
  • In return he got more NATO expansion and unilateral abolition of the existing missile treaty on which all Russian security was based.
  • Putin is not an autocrat, he's maybe very authoritarian as an ultimate decider, but he is answerable to other power groups.
  • Putin is not anti-Western, or as Khodorkovsky said, he is more European than 99 percent of Russians. He has become less pro-Western and particularly less pro-American.
  • Since November 2013, Putin has became not aggressive but reactive. For this he has been criticized in circles in Moscow as an appeaser (that is, soft, not tough enough).
  • We (opposing academics) don't have effective political support in the administration, the Congress, political parties, think tanks or on university campuses. This is unprecedented situation in American politics. There's no discourse, no debate and this is failure of American democracy.
  • There is ongoing extraordinary irrational and nonfactual demonisation of Putin. No Soviet leader was so personally vilified as Putin is now.
  • The solution is federation to unite Ukraine without Crimea, which is not coming back, free trade with both the West and Russia and no NATO membership for Ukraine.
  • This guarantees must be in writing, not oral premises like they gave to Gorbachev, and must be ratified by the UN.
  • The Kiev regime is not a democratic one, but an ultra-nationalistic one. Poroshenko is a diminishing president.
  • Unless the Kiev regime changes its approach to Russia or unless the West stops supporting Kiev unconditionally, we are drifting towards war with Russia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vWzHhW_qNiM

[Jun 10, 2015]Pope Francis urged to take tougher stance against Vladimir Putin

"...A fantastic bit of writing irrelevance based on hearsay and speculation as non important filler to shape opinion. God against Putin is the message, well done Guardian, following orders again, brown nosing in case those nasty GCHQ people will come and threaten you again. "
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"...The headline does not read 'Pontiff Meeting with Putin', which would confirm that Russia is not as isolated as the Guardian would want, but 'Pope Urged to Take Stance against Putin' which confirms the Guardians prejudice on all issues Russian."
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"...Some one clearly earning their Agent of influence bonus."
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"...Since the US has the EU firmly under its heel it's now moving on to bullying the Pope to further the geopolitical goals of American hegemony? No doubt they threatened to sanction the Pope if he doesn't fall into line."
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"...Just another US stupidity. Hasn`t anyone the peace-nobel-prize-drone`s administration how much Yanks are hated in South and Central America? Especially Argentina has suffered a lot because of the US initiated coups and military goverments. ALL juntas, the one here in La Paz as well, were run by the American Embassies. A lot of priests were tortured and killed as well. Hugo Chavez once said, that the only goverment in the Western Hemisphere which doesn`t have to worry about a coup is the one in the USA, because there is no American Embassy in Washington."
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"...Many bureaucrats and politicians in the U.S. want to restart the Cold War with Russia as a means of keeping the bloated U.S. military-industrial budget intact. Pope Francis appears to be an impediment in this effort, as he is talking to everyone with some weird Christian notion about making peace with one's enemies - he must be a communist, right?"
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"...Hopefully, the Pope is intelligent enough to understand that the Ukraine crisis was provoked by the US-backed removal of a democratically elected government. What has happened subsequently in the country is the result of the coup. Moreover, behind the US backing for the coup, is its desire to continue NATO's expansion on Russia's western border. Too many people today are confusing the original action, i.e. the coup, with the reaction!"
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"...The fact that the Pope elected to meet Putin means that he is completely disregarding the ugly and meaningless blather coming from the neocon/neoliberal/neoevangelical/neofascist quarters and is guided by the divine wisdom alone. Clearly, the neoconservatism has lost its global mojo and is now reduced to vile global intrigue and worse."
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"...When is Vatican going to start the process of excommunication of the pious catholic Tony Blair, a self-serving politician that made the UK join the US in the illegal wars in the Middle East? Hundreds of thousands of civilians are dead, including children and pregnant women. Hundreds of thousands became handicapped. Millions are displaced. The western atrocities and politicking in ME have created a monster of ISIS. Where is the voice of Church? Vatican is amazingly lenient towards the war criminal."
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"...Well, whataya want: the Pope gets his daily news and instructions directly from God, while the others get it from the US embassy."
Jun 10, 2015 | The Guardian

Elena Hodgson 10 Jun 2015 14:53

The title of the article is very misleading. "Pope Francis WAS urged (by Hackett -surprise, surprise!) to take tougher stance against Vladimir Putin". I am worried about the fact that the relationship between the US and Russia are back to the hostility level of the pre-Gorbachev era of Cold War, but without the red lines that had been understood between the United States and the USSR. The communication lines are not in place any more either, and any accident could easily escalate into Hot War, and then we are all toast...Nice of Obama to take the Global Warming seriously, but what about the threat of Global Nuclear Annihilation???

RayJosephCormier Roger Tidy 10 Jun 2015 14:50

One of the 1st acts of the new Coup Leaders was to pass legislation removing Russian as an Official Language in Ukraine, as it always had been up to that point in the majority Russian speaking Eastern parts of Ukraine closest to Russia.

I expect other Western Leaders got to the new "appointed President" to have him VETO the legislation. But it was too late to put the genie back in the bottle!

That singular action by the new Coup Leaders caused the rebellion more than anything else. That happened before Russia re-claimed Crimea before the Americans got control in Ukraine.

Nolens 10 Jun 2015 14:49

It's Pope Francis task to be a mediator. He will not be stopped by instructions from whatever corner. It's also important that Orthodox Christians and Catholics (like myself)keep on speaking terms.

That doesn't mean the Pontiff should not address the situation in the Ukraine and appeal to Russia to seek peace, truth and justice. In my opinion Russia is threatening the sovereignty of the Ukraine and is waging war by proxy but the EU and the US have also share the responsibility for this awful bloody conflict as it acted in a dangerous and irresponsible way by meddling in the internal affairs of the Ukraine by supporting the removal of the elected president.

Maybe i'm naive but I really would like to see the EU, the Ukraine and Russia sit together and try to make a peace deal. I would prefer a deal where the Crimea is officially handed over to Russia and the Eastern oblasts remains an integral part of the Ukraine with safeguards for the Russian speaking population. The severe issue of the MH17 should also be on the agenda. It must be absolutely clear who was responsible. So, all the crimes committed in the Ukraine by whatever side should be addressed including the downing of flight MH17. Like South-Africa and Northern Ireland a truth and reconciliation commission could clear what was done and by whom. This will also mean that those responsible will be brought to justice but will not serve any jail time as it only would lead to another conflict. A UN force assembled from Asian and South-American nations like Thailand and Brazil could keep the peace.


TiredOfBS_2015 chulumani 10 Jun 2015 14:41

Especially Argentina has suffered a lot because of the US initiated coups and military governments.
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Ah, they've moved far beyond that... introduced themselves in Ukraine now.
Different continent, you know..

EightEyedSpy nishville 10 Jun 2015 14:37

My respect for Pope Francis would grow if he ordered the RCC in the US not to claim tax-exempt status on the hundreds of millions, if not billions, of dollars in revenue the RCC generates in the US, including by ownership of residential and commercial rental properties.

Did you know the RCC is one of, if not the, biggest, property owners in NYC?

Roger Tidy Cedrins 10 Jun 2015 14:36

Let's not forget that the Ukraine is in crisis now because of AMERICAN interference, i.e. Washington's support for the Kiev coup against a democratically elected government. Without that coup, there would have been no rebellion by the people in the east of the country and no threat to Russia's lawful military presence in Crimea. Russia, with the overwhelming backing of Crimea's predominantly Russian population, had to act to ensure the continuation of Crimea as a base for its fleet and to prevent the further provocative expansion of NATO on its borders. It could all have been so different if, following the collapse of the Soviet Union, NATO had been abolished at the same time as the Warsaw Pact.


RayJosephCormier Cedrins 10 Jun 2015 14:33

And the US has overturned Democracies and installed, armed and supported many proxy Dictators. The US has no problems with Dictatorships as long as they are friendly to US Business interests.

He who is without sin cast the 1st stone applies to Nations and Individuals.

Since WWII, the US has invaded and bombed only poor, backward, undeveloped, 3rd world Nations.

In a display of Divine Justice, most often the US ran away with their tails between their legs, not able to get out fast enough. That's why they use remote controlled drones to attack people without indoor plumbing or electricity for the most part. There are still those Americans who maintain the US could "win" if they were more brutal in terrorizing the people, dropping more bombs, Death and Destruction on them. The US is the only Nation to burn people alive in the other, never discussed, nuclear holocaust of WWII.


ID9492736 Cedrins 10 Jun 2015 14:24

Who says that Serbia "lost its rights" on its territory and sovereignty? . United Nations Security Council certainly did not (au contraire, UNSC resolution 1244 specifically says otherwise). United Nations General Assembly did not. The International Court of Justice did not. Nobody but Bill and Hillary Clinton said so.

And how is Serbia's "barbaric" (sic) behavior, which killer some 1,200 islamic terrorists on its own soil any worse than the wholesale slaughter of nearly a million of Iraqi and more than quarter million Aghan civilians?

There are no brutal tyrants in Serbia. The country is an open, transparent and democratic society and a recognized regional ally of both US and Russia. If you don't believe me, ask the State Department.


sensitivepirate 10 Jun 2015 14:13

With regard to Putin, the US wants to destabilize Russia and hopefully move in and grab the vast resources of the RF. The first and major goal is to remove Crimea from Russian control.

Going back a year and a half, in preparing the program for the overthrow of Yanukovich, the US Dept. of Defense had fully developed plans, timetables, and logistics, and blueprints were drawn up for new US military bases, air fields, and ports in Crimea. These plans were in 'ready mode' and included the immediate cancellation of lease agreements between the RF and Ukraine, and of course it included the immediate removal of the Russian fleet from Crimea.

The US Dept. of Defense is frustrated that their massive preparations for Crimea could not be immediately implemented. It has lost its strategic plan to build a ready-military force for clandestine incursions into Turkey, Syria, Russia, Iraq, Iran, Belarus, Lebanon, Gaza, etc.. This was the biggest prize in the plan to overthrow the government of Ukraine.

Everything is on hold until Crimea is extricated from Russia, and the US now is begging Pope Francis to help it in destabilizing Russia.


Botswana61 Solongmariane 10 Jun 2015 14:11

Indeed, USA supporting Maggie Thatcher's operation in the Falklands and supplying British troops with the actionable info through its recon sats.

With Argentina being today a veritable economic basket case.
[2nd only to Greece]


MahsaKaerra kowalli 10 Jun 2015 13:59

Oh that one. Translated as "Kiev holds Russia responsible for the violation of any articles of the European Convention on Human Rights in the area of ​​the ATO".

Meaning Ukraine isn't going to enforce ECHR decisions on territory over which it has no control.

If you ask Slovenia to make such decisions on Italian territory you will get the same answer. OMG, Slovenia is quitting the ECHR!!!1!

foolisholdman 10 Jun 2015 13:43

Kenneth Hackett, the US ambassador to the Holy See, said the Vatican "could say more about concerns on territorial integrity".

Another US "statesman" who does not see the irony of what he is saying! Is he blissfully unaware of how many countries the USA has violated the "territorial integrity" of ? Does he want the Pope to criticise all countries that violate other countries' territorial integrity Or does it only apply to Russia?

Oh! Silly me!! Of course it is all right for The USA to violate other countries' territorial integrity, because they are exceptional !!! How could I forget?

geedeesee EightEyedSpy

Well, I've read extensively about the period in question to understand the circumstances as Nazism developed, and though while reading different books I wasn't looking exclusively for the views of the pope of the day, I did have an appreciation of the decline in the relationship between Nazi Germany and the Vatican. Though your comments didn't ring true , I have checked with my books and they've confirmed my understanding.

Not only did the Pope write several protests against the Nazi regime between 1933 and 1936, he also delivered three papal encyclicals challenging the new creeds: against Italian Fascism Non abbiamo bisogno (1931; 'We do not need (to acquaint you)'); against Nazism "Mit brennender Sorge" (1937; 'With deep concern') and against atheist Communist Divini redemptoris (1937; 'Divine Redeemer'). He also challenged the extremist nationalism of the Action Française movement and anti-Semitism in the United States.

'Mit brennender SorgeIt' concerned Nazi Germany. It condemned "pantheistic confusion", "neopaganism",and "the so-called myth of race and blood", and the idolising of the State.

To ensure it had the maximum effect, he had it translated into German and copies smuggled into Nazi Germany so that they be secretly printed and distributed to all the Catholic churches of Germany for reading from the pulpits Catholic parishes on Palm Sunday throughout the country in 1937.

The Nazis saw it as "a call to battle against the Reich", and Hitler was furious after it happened and "vowed revenge against the Church". Churches were raided across the country and hundreds of priests arrested. The Catholic church were seen as the major resistance and opposition to the nazi regime at the time.

Over the years until the outbreak of war Catholic resistance stiffened until finally its most eminent spokesman was the Pope himself with his encyclical 'Mit Brennender Sorge' ... of 14 March 1937, read from all German Catholic pulpits... In general terms, therefore, the churches were the only major organisations to offer comparatively early and open resistance: they remained so in later years.

Extract from 'The History of the German Resistance 1933–1945' by Peter Hoffmann.

Once again you reveal your tendency to chip-in with your own version of history, disregarding what actually happened, due either to your ignorance or malevolence. In other words, you've been caught out again.

Michael West Joe King 10 Jun 2015 13:21

Again, this is another biased comment from you. Are you even from America?

The U.S. is one of the least religious countries on this planet. In fact, atheism is the fastest growing demographic in the U.S. today.

More than 20% of Americans have "no faith".

Here is a Guardian article about the rise of atheism in America.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/oct/01/atheism-america-religious-right

Here is another Guardian article about the rapid rise of atheist churches in America.

As for Fox News, it is not a religious channel. Fox has a weekly libertarian show hosted by John Stossel where he talks about legalizing drugs, prostitution, euthanasia, and polygamy.

Here is a video of him talking about legalizing brothels -- which is already in sone states.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rPxIWjR3Zg&app=desktop

Fox's sister channel, FX, airs some of the moat violent & erotic shows on television.

Fox News is not a religious channel -- not even close.


kowalli 10 Jun 2015 13:17

Secretary General of the Council of Europe Thorbjorn Jagland confirmed that he had received notification from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine in Kiev on the retreat from the European Convention on Human Rights.


robertthebruce2014 10 Jun 2015 13:16

The Guardian suffering from confirmation bias?

The headline does not read 'Pontiff Meeting with Putin', which would confirm that Russia is not as isolated as the Guardian would want, but 'Pope Urged to Take Stance against Putin' which confirms the Guardians prejudice on all issues Russian.

If ever there was a vassal state or satrapy more obedient to its master than Britain is to America someone inform us please. India's Victorian relationship to the British Crown was less submissive than Britain's obedience to American rule today.


EugeneGur MahsaKaerra 10 Jun 2015 13:10

You have trouble with memory? I can appropriate recommend medication.
Borders in Europe changed a lot before Putin had a chance to do anything or even came to the scene. The reunification of Germany did not require border change in your view? The breakup of the Soviet Union is not border change enough for you? The breakup of Yugoslavia? Kosovo rings a bell?

Crimea is sacred for the Russians, not just Orthodox but for every Russian because of its cultural and historical significance. Ukrainians declared themselves to be not Russians but something quite the opposite. If you must refer to someones statement, please, reproduce it accurately.


Babeouf 10 Jun 2015 13:10

How was the US suppose to know the Guardian would make such a big splash over this non event.

US ambassador, who knows diddly, gives advice to the Pope.

Yes its a funny story but that is not how the Guardian is playing it. Some one clearly earning their Agent of influence bonus.

OneTop 10 Jun 2015 13:07

Since the US has the EU firmly under its heel it's now moving on to bullying the Pope to further the geopolitical goals of American hegemony?

No doubt they threatened to sanction the Pope if he doesn't fall into line.


nnedjo 10 Jun 2015 13:03

Now what? If Pope Francis would now really started to criticize Putin "for the violation of the sovereignty of Ukraine," then everyone would say, "You see, Pope Francis receives orders from the US ambassador to the Vatican!" So, it would seem as if the US ambassador to the Vatican is pontiff, and not that it is Pope Francis himself.

All in all, it was a very stupid public statement by the US ambassador in Vatican.


charrette 10 Jun 2015 13:01

"It shows the ignorance of the pope about the situation in Ukraine."

Perhaps, on the contrary, it shows that the Pope has done his homework and read, for example, the recent excellent account by Richard Sakwa, Frontline Ukraine : crisis in the borderlands. I recommend it to anyone who thinks the Russian stance is to be merely demonised. Sakwa deals particularly well with decay of diplomatic protocols.


RayJosephCormier AbsolutelyFapulous 10 Jun 2015 12:55

No one was killed when the Russian troops, already in Crimea, came out of their barracks, compare to millions killed in US invasions of other Nations so far from the continental US.


chulumani 10 Jun 2015 12:53

Just another US stupidity. Hasn`t anyone the peace-nobel-prize-drone`s administration how much Yanks are hated in South and Central America? Especially Argentina has suffered a lot because of the US initiated coups and military goverments. ALL juntas, the one here in La Paz as well, were run by the American Embassies. A lot of priests were tortured and killed as well. Hugo Chavez once said, that the only goverment in the Western Hemisphere which doesn`t have to worry about a coup is the one in the USA, because there is no American Embassy in Washington.

So this freaky US troll tries to tell the Pope about the right thing to do? The Pope should have told him tell that joker in the White House to stop invading other countries, torturing innocent people, instigating terrible civil wars and financing as well as arming islamic terrorists.

nnedjo 10 Jun 2015 12:51

If the US ambassador to the Vatican dares to command the Pope what he has to say to Putin, then imagine what the US ambassador to Ukraine was ordered to their President Yanukovych, before he was deposed by violent coup.

And then they have the nerve to talk about "respect for the integrity and sovereignty of other countries."


photosymbiont 10 Jun 2015 12:48

Many bureaucrats and politicians in the U.S. want to restart the Cold War with Russia as a means of keeping the bloated U.S. military-industrial budget intact.

Pope Francis appears to be an impediment in this effort, as he is talking to everyone with some weird Christian notion about making peace with one's enemies - he must be a communist, right?

Roger Tidy 10 Jun 2015 12:47

Hopefully, the Pope is intelligent enough to understand that the Ukraine crisis was provoked by the US-backed removal of a democratically elected government. What has happened subsequently in the country is the result of the coup. Moreover, behind the US backing for the coup, is its desire to continue NATO's expansion on Russia's western border. Too many people today are confusing the original action, i.e. the coup, with the reaction!

Albatros18 caliento 10 Jun 2015 12:46

It is called state visit, and when he does he achieves things. You remember what Abbott said he would do to Putin when he met him? Abbott was shitting his pants. G7? They met, and what did they achieve other than confirming that the EU is being hurt by the anti-Russian sanctions.

Jeffrey_Harrison jezzam 10 Jun 2015 12:46

Well, there's Libya; no boots on the ground but we bombed the shit out of them and there's Yemen and Pakistan where we have ongoing drone wars. I'll grant you that Obama has mostly continued the wars of his predecessor but now they're his. I would also point out that the Russian troops that acted in Georgia were not invaders but were there as a peacekeeping force and the Russians in Crimea were there in the Russian base in Sevastopol which was by arrangement with Ukraine. While the US tries to make everybody look the other way, we send troops into Ukraine under the guise of trainers. If we can send troops halfway around the world, why can't Russia send troops across their border?

AngrySkeptic 10 Jun 2015 12:42

Kenneth Hackett, the US ambassador to the Holy See, said the Vatican "could say more about concerns on territorial integrity".

I am always amused by anyone from the New World being serious about "territorial integrity". All of those countries exist because they ignored the territorial integrity of the people who were already living there. It was an American president who decided after WW1 to give a part of Austria to Italy. It was an American president who took Kosovo away from the Serbs. "Territorial integrity" mattered not a jot in the adjustments made after WW2, in Europe as much as in the Middle East. What has this got to do with the Pope, whose main concern is with the spiritual welfare of Catholics?

TiredOfBS_2015 10 Jun 2015 12:41

Pope Francis has been encouraged by a top American diplomat to take a tougher stance against Vladimir Putin when he meets the Russian president

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Wow...
So US "apparatchik" is patronizing Pope himself now...?
This is just marvellous..

So is it really works like this? US fella coming to all EU government officials and Telling them what to do?

For a moment (long time ago), I've thought we have a representative democracy.
Apparently, by the actions taken by Brussels recently I can tell – Commission represents USA, not me.

My opinion is surely ignored.

Actually nobody even bothers about my opinion. US is dictating how we are living now here, in Europe. Just great.


secondiceberg Alessandro De Sando 10 Jun 2015 12:27

When a group of people, geographically, culturally, and political united, decide that they want to pursue self-determination (a stated Western value once upon a time), that does not exactly fit the definition of terrorism. We might call them freedom fighters. By your reckoning, Mandela was a "terrorist".


ID9492736 jezzam 10 Jun 2015 11:43

This is not even hypothetically possible. Russian GDP is a fraction if American, roughly one eighth of it (Russian $ 2.1 trillion, American about $17 trillion). For American corruption to be lesser than Russian in absolute terms, American corruption would have to be lesser than 1/8th of what is currently going on in Russia.

Anyone who has ever done business with an American corporation (be it private or government-owned), or - heavens forbid - the City of New York - knows that such statements belong in science-fiction.


geedeesee annamarinja 10 Jun 2015 11:42

"war criminals among the flock. Blair is the prime example."

And Blair was re-elected in 2005. Popes have to have some contact with leaders of different countries.


annamarinja Skallior 10 Jun 2015 11:39

No, he is not. Obama is a clever and loyal servant to the Plutocracy. He is own by the global financial system and he has been doing everything in his power to please the system.


ID9492736 10 Jun 2015 11:34

The fact that the Pope elected to meet Putin means that he is completely disregarding the ugly and meaningless blather coming from the neocon/neoliberal/neoevangelical/neofascist quarters and is guided by the divine wisdom alone. Clearly, the neoconservatism has lost its global mojo and is now reduced to vile global intrigue and worse.

With Pope as brilliant and as likable as this, I could easily become a Catholic myself (well, perhaps for an hour or two). I am concerned, however, that the Vatican bankers and their City of London bosses may not quite like the idea of Pope meeting Putin.

Habeas Papam, indeed. Bless ya, Frankie!

annamarinja cherryredguitar 10 Jun 2015 11:31

When is Vatican going to start the process of excommunication of the pious catholic Tony Blair, a self-serving politician that made the UK join the US in the illegal wars in the Middle East? Hundreds of thousands of civilians are dead, including children and pregnant women. Hundreds of thousands became handicapped. Millions are displaced. The western atrocities and politicking in ME have created a monster of ISIS. Where is the voice of Church? Vatican is amazingly lenient towards the war criminal.


nobledonkey -> Alderbaran 10 Jun 2015 11:30

Who cares about Western Liberal Democracy in Russia? That's a purely western conceit.

The Pope's main concern here is peace and the long efforts to reunite the Catholic and the Orthodox, something much, much more important than silly notions that the Americans are pushing.

secondiceberg -> jezzam 10 Jun 2015 11:25

If Putin had the slightest interest in re-establishing control over the former USSR countries, he had a long time to do it, but he turned his attention to rebuilding the country he is president of, with a lot of success until the U.S. recognized it might have to deal with another significant economic entity.

We are left with the fact that it is the U.S. that now has de facto control over those countries, through its apparent dictatorial power over the E.U. and its military arm, NATO. Maybe it is too simplistic, but if you want to establish who desired control over those countries, it might be well to look had who has control.

secondiceberg -> jezzam 10 Jun 2015 11:19

For someone who has no influence, Putin seems to be the constant focus of anguish and attention by politicians and media in the West. Another day, another column, another wild-eyed speech about Putin. Even Forbes once again names him as the most powerful person in the world (albeit after a short introduction denouncing his "sins", with a list of transgressions that must surprise Putin.) As for more positive influence that Putin possesses, you left off Brazil, India, China, South Africa, a number of countries in Latin America, even Greece, Turkey, etc. This positive influence is not gained by Western style bullying, but old-fashioned goodwill negotiation that seeks compromises that recognize the interests of all countries involved.

Bogdanich 10 Jun 2015 11:18

The Pope will do no such thing and all this represents is a suggestion by an enormously corrupt US administration about talking points they would like to see included when he speaks before the US Congress in September 2015. Yes that idiot Bonyer invited the pope to speak as cover for inviting Netenyahu against the wishes of the administration and so now they have a problem as they already know what he is likely to say.

As an aside if you substitute the word "Fuhrer" for "Administration" it makes the point clearer but then you get in trouble with the thought police.


Profhambone FallenKezef 10 Jun 2015 11:13

Absolutely! And the Pope should be wary of taking US advice. While our moderate republican President Obama rails at Russia for interfering in the Ukraine (whose democratically elected President was ousted in a US supported coup) we support countries with "great" human rights' records such as Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Israel, Communist China and Egypt while using drones in Pakistan, Yemen and Iraq.

Hell, we even lost one to Iran when it flew "accidentally" over the Iraq-Iran border. Intact....

At one time the USSR was described as "the Evil Empire". The people who pointed and quoted that forgot that there were 3 fingers pointing back at them.....The Pope should remember that.....

StatusFoe -> Expats10 10 Jun 2015 11:11

1) Oil and gas reserves off the coast
2) To kick the Russian Navy out of the most strategic port on the northern side of the Black Sea.
3) To block planned Russian pipelines under the Black Sea.

All very plausible for US energy and, by extension, military interests.


ConradLodziak 10 Jun 2015 10:58

Being Argentinian the Pope will be very familiar with US ignorance. Furthermore Francis does not need 'advice' from an unqualified lightweight. He is perfectly capable of detecting western propaganda in relation to Ukraine, Russia and Putin.

The latter has consistently demonstrated a strong stance against US hegemony and EU and eastern European states willingness to tolerate neo-nazism. This stance has won Putin the respect of most of the world. The US should be advised to mind their own business and focus their energies on trying to become a civilised society.


Joe King 10 Jun 2015 10:40

As much as that tool Putin deserves an endless waterfall of cold criticism poured over his head -

In this case, the Pope might also blast America for its newfound Christian fundamentalism that's attacking its poor and marginalised, the wholescale militarisation of the US police into a violent above-the-law force attacking its own people, how America's self-serving overseas wars and tinkering has stirred up all kinds of trouble for Catholics/Christians in those countries, and so on.

Putin is a puffed-up little thug, so I'd wholeheartedly support the pope in criticising him - just as, to be fair, I'd also want to see him criticising America for the many, many awful things that It has done, and that are happening there.

Someone might tell the ambassador that the Pope's searing criticism of America would be true fairness and equality before God. (Even if an atheist like me says so.)


VengefulRevenant -> jezzam 10 Jun 2015 10:32

Could this change of mind to 97% in favour of joining Russia be due to the fact that the Crimea referendum was organised by the Russian army at gunpoint?

Or could it have had more to do with the right-wing/neo-fascist coup in Kiev that took place between those polls you cite and the poll, the one where Crimeans officially expressed their desire to leave Ukraine and join Russia? The latter obviously, because their change of mind has subsequently been reflected in every poll taken since, even those conducted by US regime agencies. Crimean support for Russia is genuine.

Jezzam, you're just making a dick of yourself here. "Forgetting" the US-backed coup is just ridiculous, and nobody honest and informed believes that the people of Crimea want to be part of Ukraine. Nobody.


Dani Jenkins jezzam 10 Jun 2015 10:31

Perhaps you could point me towards ANY democracy....

I see a light over my Greek border, but not equal representation of women in the London and Zuerich elite echelons of the corporate class.

In case you had not noticed the exodus from the corrupt practice of empires, the wave of feudalism and diseased minds , is heading your way. It looks to me like you have sucked the Hack(ett) job, hook line and sinker.... look too at the article for the Congo and Soco's corruption of said "military" and get back to me with any queeries:-)

You should be worried about your state, as it seems to me , Vlad has his well under control....you on the other hand NOT....stop closing your eyes to corrupt practices that have corrupted the world today, far more than Putin.... yermelai's comment holds credibility, yours a complete joke.

I see no sign of democracy whatsoever yet (Iceland excepted)....you are surely a man, well out of Africa!


chulumani 10 Jun 2015 10:30

It just beggars belief. The rogue state USA which has been since decades going over this planet with a flame thrower, initiating coups, installed bloody, military regimes, financed and created terrorism and terrorist groups at will and financed civil wars whenever it helped their own agenda, tries now to tell the Pope what to do and what not. After getting ready for a hostile takeover of the FIFA, they seem to aim now for the Vatican as well.

Not even the Nazis dared that.


johnbonn 10 Jun 2015 10:27

This Pope has shown that he can think, speak and act for himself.

The CIA now wants the Pope to go against the largest Christian country. Isn't geo politics entertaining.

On the other hand the CIA always goes around the world telling people what to think and what to do. The CIA would even tell God to sanction the RF, so Hunter Biden doesn't lose his job.

If Pope Francis doesn't listen to the CIA /ambassador, he could be in trouble. Reports of his Vatican enemies are already circulating. Cardinal John Law is the chief of suppressing criminal behavior in all church affairs. He never saw a pedophile he didn't like.

Now the CIA is streaming anti Russia messages through the Internet into Crimea, to turn Crimeans.

Russians will never allow Crimea to be occupied by the west.


RayJosephCormier Alessandro De Sando 10 Jun 2015 10:26

Does Obama think about the terrorism he is supporting in Syria, half way across the world from the US, but Russia cannot do anything when the US engineers a Coup d'Etat on Russia's border? Such hypocritical, double standard BS will not cultivate a more peaceful world, but the opposite!

Is it right for Obama to change the regimes in other Nations so far from the US? Iraq was an illegal invasion since the only world body that could have given permission for the invasion, denied the permission. The US setting the example, broke International Law, but demands other Nations follow it or be punished, Israel being the exception.


geedeesee -> jezzam 10 Jun 2015 10:22

Not when you look at the survey. 68% had warm attitude towards Russia; only 14% to EU. And only 14% consider themselves Ukrainian; the vast majority Russian/Crimean. No doubt their position shifted further after they witnessed the coup in Kiev.

Full survey:
http://www.iri.org/sites/default/files/2013%20October%207%20Survey%20of%20Crimean%20Public%20Opinion,%20May%2016-30,%202013.pdf

laticsfanfromeurope 10 Jun 2015 09:54

Pope Francesco and Putin-probably the two most wise, intelligent and carismatic leaders on earth!
They are the defensors of christians, unlike the west, which send weapons to anti-christian terrorist groups, for example in Syria.
Up the Pope!
Up Putin!
Up the Catolics and the Ortodoxs!


VengefulRevenant 10 Jun 2015 09:11

The pontiff has chided world leaders for seeking to diminish anti-Christian violence and the topic is likely to be raised on Wednesday.

Actually the pope would be pleased and grateful if world leaders would take action to "diminish anti-Christian violence."

The literal meaning of "diminish" - to reduce - overpowers the writer's apparent intended meaning - to discount - creating another absurdity in this rubbish article.


SHappens 10 Jun 2015 09:02

What a delirious article. Putin pariah on the world's stage is risible. The World does not resume the US and its poodles. The symptom of a European order, [or] European architecture, which has not found its stability at the end of the cold war has all to do with NATO's aggressive expansion towards Russia's borders.

Putin and the Pope already shared the same views about Syria thus it is not excluded that they might also have the same view about the fratricide war in Ukraine, brought to you by the US. Unless the next US coup will be to oust the Pope since he doesnt comply with their hegemony's plans and resist to their pressures.

MaoChengJi -> HollyOldDog 10 Jun 2015 08:57

Well, whataya want: the Pope gets his daily news and instructions directly from God, while the others get it from the US embassy.

AnimalFarm2 10 Jun 2015 08:53

Why? because you don't like Putin? Well I can list a whole load of Americans the Pope should ex-communicate, starting with Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice. To name a few!

philbo 10 Jun 2015 08:52

"The presidential visit underscores Russia's cosy relationship with Italy at a time when Putin is otherwise being treated as a pariah on the world stage."

the world stage -- you mean by world the US and its poodles in Europe but that doesn't include China, India, Brasil and all the rest of the countries that don't have a voice on the global stage. As Usual Imperial US has to bully other countries who dare to think differently and it can't bear dissent from some of its allies.


Justin Thyme 10 Jun 2015 08:47

A fantastic bit of writing irrelevance based on hearsay and speculation as non important filler to shape opinion. God against Putin is the message, well done Guardian, following orders again, brown nosing in case those nasty GCHQ people will come and threaten you again.

Andrew Morten was the death knell for investigative journalism in the UK as the unreported is hidden with crap like this. Infotainment sols as information and knowledge.

VengefulRevenant 10 Jun 2015 08:28

The presidential visit underscores Russia's cosy relationship with Italy at a time when Putin is otherwise being treated as a pariah on the world stage.

What an extremely stupid, ignorant thing to write. It's deranged.

Putin is not a pariah by any objective standard. The only countries treating him as such are the NATO imperialist regimes and a smattering of other US satellites, i.e. a tiny minority of the world's states including an even tinier minority of the world population.

This is the absurdity of atavistic Eurocentrism in a world that has definitively stopped revolving around the white empires. It smacks of "Heavy Fog in Channel, Continent Cut Off."

MaoChengJi 10 Jun 2015 08:19

In February, the pontiff referred to the bloodshed in the Ukrainian conflict as "fratricidal", a comment seen as controversial in Ukraine, where the violence is viewed as a direct consequence of Russian aggression.

Obviously, the Pope is a separatist and FSB agent. 7 years. Next!

[Jun 10, 2015] Obama Is Destroying Europe, Dragging It Into A Crusade Against Russia Former French PM, German Banker Admit

One robin does not make a spring. But still the USA elite behave pretty recklessly in Europe...
"..."European countries with strong business in Russia, including Finland and Austria, are economically hit very hard. These countries consequently place fewer orders from Germany. Moreover, considering that European corporations will circumvent the sanctions, to create production facilities at the highest efficiency level in Russia, we lose this potential capital stock, which is the basis of our prosperity. Russia wins the capital stock," at the EU's expense, even though the sanctions are targeted against Russia. "
"..."For the future, Germany and the EU place their economic reliability into question with Russia. The relationship of trust is broken by Germany and the EU. In order to build such confidence, it takes several years. Between signature and delivery are up to five years. ... Siemens is now thrown out from a major project for this reason [i.e., because the requisite predictability has been lost]. Alstom has likewise lost the contract for the railway line from Moscow to Beijing. Consequently, the potential for damage is much more massive than the current figures show, not only for Germany, but for the entire EU.""
"...The fact is that by the coup in the Ukraine, an oligarchy friendly towards Moscow was replaced by an oligarchy now oriented toward the United States. It's geopolitics, which benefits third forces, but definitely not Germany, not the EU, not Russia, and not Ukraine."
Jun 10, 2015 | Zero Hedge
While on the surface the European leaders of G-7 nations are all smiles in their photo-ops next to US president Barack Obama, there is an unmistakable tension and simmering resentment at the US for forcing Europe into America's personal crusades.

"Today, Europe is not independent… The US is drawing us [the EU] into a crusade against Russia, which contradicts the interests of Europe," said the former French Prime Minister Fillon while the chief economist at Bremer Landesbank adds that as a result of US policies "unmeasurable damage lies in an elevated geopolitical risk situation for the people in the EU."

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German Banker: Obama Is Destroying Europe, submitted by investigative historian Eric Zuesse

Interviewed on June 6th by German Economic News, the chief economist at Bremer Landesbank, Folker Hellmeyer, says that because of Obama's sanctions against Russia, German exports declined year-over-year by 18% in 2014, and by 34% in the first two months of 2015 (no later figures), but he asserts that "The damage is much more comprehensive than these statistics show," because those are only the "primary losses," and there are in addition "secondary effects," which get even worse over time.

For example:

"European countries with strong business in Russia, including Finland and Austria, are economically hit very hard. These countries consequently place fewer orders from Germany. Moreover, considering that European corporations will circumvent the sanctions, to create production facilities at the highest efficiency level in Russia, we lose this potential capital stock, which is the basis of our prosperity. Russia wins the capital stock," at the EU's expense, even though the sanctions are targeted against Russia.

But the nub is this:

"For the future, Germany and the EU place their economic reliability into question with Russia. The relationship of trust is broken by Germany and the EU. In order to build such confidence, it takes several years. Between signature and delivery are up to five years. ... Siemens is now thrown out from a major project for this reason [i.e., because the requisite predictability has been lost]. Alstom has likewise lost the contract for the railway line from Moscow to Beijing. Consequently, the potential for damage is much more massive than the current figures show, not only for Germany, but for the entire EU."

Then, he says: "More [projects] still in planning include the axis from Peking to Moscow as part of the Shanghai Corporation and the BRIC countries, the largest growth project in modern history, the construction of the infrastructure of Eurasia, from Moscow to Vladivostok, to Southern China and India. How far the EU and Germany's sanctions-policy regarding Russia figures in these developing-countries' mega-projects will depend upon whether we'll be seen as hostile in other emerging countries than Russia. [NOTE from Eric Zuesse: Obama speaking 28 May 2014 to graduating West Point cadets:

'Russia's aggression toward former Soviet states unnerves capitals in Europe, while China's economic rise and military reach worries its neighbors. From Brazil to India, rising middle classes compete with us, and governments seek a greater say in global forums.'

His attitude toward developing countries is clear - they are enemies, to be dealt with via the military, not economic partners to advance with us in economic cooperation.] But, obviously, there is a lack that some participants in European politics [and inside the White House!] have in their abilities to think abstractly on our behalf."

Asked who will be paying the price for this, he says:

"The measurable damage is loss of growth, in lost wages, losses in contributions to the social system and in tax revenue. This is true for the past 12 months, and it is valid for the years ahead. The people in Germany and the EU will pay the price through lost prosperity and stability. The unmeasurable damage lies in an elevated geopolitical risk situation for the people in the EU."

Asked about the situation in Ukraine, Hellmeyer says:

"It is indeed irritating. People who are focused not only on Western 'quality media' are amazed at those media hiding the aggression of Kiev and the discriminatory laws implemented by the Government in Kiev, which constitute a serious challenge to the claim that Western values and democracy are being supported by the West. I believe, to Mr Steinmeier's credit, that he is in fact talking plainly about these matters behind closed doors. The question is whether the behavior of the Atlantic alliance supports Mr. Steinmeier. I refer in this regard especially to Victoria Nuland.

The fact is that by the coup in the Ukraine, an oligarchy friendly towards Moscow was replaced by an oligarchy now oriented toward the United States. It's geopolitics, which benefits third forces, but definitely not Germany, not the EU, not Russia, and not Ukraine."

So, he sees U.S. as having gained at the expense of every other country, but especially at Europe's expense.

Asked about the future, Folker Hellmeyer says:

"For me, the conflict has already been decided. The axis Moscow-Beijing-BRIC wins. The dominance of the West is through.

In 1990 those countries accounted for only about 25% of world economic output. Today, they represent 56% of world economic output, and 85% of world population. They control about 70% of the world's foreign exchange reserves. They grow annually by an average of 4% - 5%. Since the United States were not prepared to share power internationally (e.g., by changing the voting-apportionments in the IMF and World Bank), the future rests with those countries themselves, to build in the emerging markets sector on their own financial system. There lies their future. The EU is currently being drawn into the conflict, which the United States caused because she did not share power and want to share. The longer we pursue this [mono-polar, hegemonic, Imperial, supremacist, internationally dictatorial, aggressive] policy in the EU, the higher the price [to Europe will be]."

He goes on to say:

"The fact is that the emerging countries emancipate themselves from US control. This is evident in the creation of competitive institutions of the World Bank (AIIB) and the IMF (New Development Bank) by the axis of the emerging countries. This displeases the still prevailing hegemon. The current international hot spots of Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Egypt, to the Ukraine, are an expression of this, in the background, as a clearly identifiable power-confrontation [between the U.S. and every other country]. If we were there intending to establish democracy and freedom, let's look at the success in achieving those goals. [His implication: it's failure.]"

German Economic News asks:

"The contempt with which the US government deals with the Europeans is remarkable, such as the NSA tapping the Chancellor's phone, and Nuland's famous 'Fuck the EU' statement. Have European politicians no self-respect, or are they just too cowardly?"

Hellmeyer responds: "The person who is a true democrat takes seriously his duties as a politician for the public's well-being, and does not allow his nation's self-determination to be so contemptuously trampled underfoot, such as has followed from that remark. The person who is not a true democrat, has with respect to the above values and canon, severe deficits."

CLOSE from Zuesse:

  • Why is there not, in Europe, a huge movement to abandon NATO, and to kick out the U.S. military? Whom is the U.S. 'defending' Europeans from, after the Warsaw Pact ended in 1991?
  • Why did not Gorbachev demand that NATO disband when the Warsaw Pact did - simultaneous (instead of one-sided) disbanding of the Cold War, so that there would not become the foundation for international fascism to arise to conquer Russia (first, to surround it by an expanding NATO - and ultimately via TPP & TTIP), in the aftermath?
  • Why is there not considerable public debate about these crucial historical, cultural, and economic, matters?
  • Why is there such deceit, which requires these massive questions to be ignored so long by 'historians'?
  • How is it even possible for the world to move constructively forward, in this environment, of severe censorship, in the media, in academia, and throughout 'the free world'?
  • Why is there no outrage that the Saudi and other Arabic royals fund islamic jihad (so long as it's not in their own countries) but America instead demonizes Russia's leaders, who consistently oppose jihadists and jihadism?
  • Why are America's rulers allied with the top financiers of jihad? Why is that being kept so secret? Why are these injustices tolerated by the public?
  • Who will change this, and how? When will that desperately needed change even start? Will it start soon enough?

Maybe WW III won't occur, but the damages are already horrible, and they're getting worse. This can go on until the end; and, if it does, that end will make horrible look like heaven, by comparison. It would be worse than anything ever known - and it could happen in and to our generation.

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Investigative historian Eric Zuesse is the author, most recently, of They're Not Even Close: The Democratic vs. Republican Economic Records, 1910-2010, and of CHRIST'S VENTRILOQUISTS: The Event that Created Christianity, and of Feudalism, Fascism, Libertarianism and Economics.


And then, here is former French Prime Minister Francois Fillon who told RT that the "US is drawing Europe into crusade against Russia, against our interests"

The US is drawing European states into a "crusade" against Russia, which goes against Europe's interests, former French Prime Minister Francois Fillon has said. Speaking to French media, he stressed that Europe now is dependent on Washington.

"Today, Europe is not independent… The US is drawing us [the EU] into a crusade against Russia, which contradicts the interests of Europe," Fillon told the BFMTV channel.

The ex-French prime minister, who served in Nicolas Sarkozy's government from 2007 till 2012, lashed out at Washington and its policies.

Washington, Fillon said, pursues "extremely dangerous" policies in the Middle East that the EU and European states have to agree with.

He accused German intelligence of spying on France "not in the interests of Germany but in the interests of the United States."

Fillon pointed out that Washington is pressuring Germany to concede to Greece and find a compromise.

He noted the "American justice system" often interferes with the work of "European justice systems."

"Europe is not independent," the ex-PM said, calling for "a broad debate on how Europe can regain its independence."

This, however, would not be possible if Europe goes ahead and signs the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP), a proposed EU-US treaty, which has drawn much criticism for its secretiveness and lack of accountability.

"I am definitely against signing this agreement [TTIP] in the form in which it is now," he added.

[Jun 09, 2015] G7 Summit Without Russia Problem for the West, But Not for the Kremlin

Russian situation became worse became the power of West is considerable and even enforced unity of G7 can hurt Russian economy more then it will hurt G7. Technological superiority of the West is also a factor.
"...The days when the Russian President wanted to just stand next to his Western colleagues are over," the newspaper wrote."
"...Russia became disillusioned with Europe and the United States due to their hypocrisy and indecisive policies, the article said."
Jun 09, 2015 | Sputnik International

The days when the Russian President wanted to just stand next to his Western colleagues are over," the newspaper wrote.

The proximity to the Western world is no longer an absolute value for modern Russia, the German newspaper wrote.

Moscow seeks to follow a sovereign foreign policy and is not willing to impose itself on Western countries, the article said, referring to the upcoming G7 summit, which will be held in Germany on Sunday without the participation of the Russian leader.

"Will the Russian President sit on Sunday in the Kremlin and grieve about the fact that the G7 leaders met in the Elmau castle without him? Unlikely. The days when the Russian President wanted to just stand next to his Western colleagues are over," the newspaper wrote.

According to die Zeit, for Russia, the Western world has lost its 'absolute brilliance' that was so evident after the collapse of the Soviet Union. Russia became disillusioned with Europe and the United States due to their hypocrisy and indecisive policies, the article said.

...

Russia is also expanding its contacts within the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) and maintains fruitful cooperation with Asian countries. With this regard, the Kremlin's non-participation in the G7 summit is just a little episode in its foreign policy activities, Die Zeit noted.

The newspaper also stressed that the current situation could be beneficial for the Kremlin as the latter will gain more freedom in conducting its own independent policy.

[Jun 09, 2015] West to Russia: you are guilty by the fact that I am hungry

Jun 09, 2015 | seva-riga.livejournal.com

About extension of sanctions and harmful illusions...

... ... ...

The West is in such a position that even the total subjugation and looting of Russia will not save him from bankruptcy - too many freeloaders sitting on his neck, too great an imbalance between the manufacturing and distribution sector is present in the economy. Out of 500 million population, only 10 million are in manufacturing sector. But others also want to eat delicious food and sleep in good apartments or houses. That means that any reduction of their standard of living might provoke social tensions. And strategy "smathh old world to peaces uptto fundament" is well known and might be adopted again the day after the reduction misallocat the resources because they no longer are availble.

And the secret weapon of Russia is its amazing ability to survive in mobilization mode, when one boots and one trnch coat is all the person has. And in Russia this is not a cause for sadness, but only under one condition - the elite live about the same way as well, and if they are allocated more, it is done for specific and measurable achievements that are socially approved. One problem - the current elite with its orientation on the Western Europe strongly disagree, and therefore looks wishfully to the West "Take us back please. We are good and will behave"

What to do about this alarming situation is start to prepare yourself to a long cold winter of Cold War II. The enthusiasm with which this year seeds and gardening tools were bought, demonstrates complete understanding of the Russians of the inevitability of such a long winter. Be it from actions of the West, or some other reasons - what's the difference? If we discard the illusions of accommodation with the West and work to overcome the difficulties things might work out. Without dramatic drop of standard of living of the elderly and children. Chances that sanctions are temporary measure are slim. Those 25 years with Russia as the sex slave of the West ended. Now the West want to see Russia (again) in the form of steak on it table. He rallied for war (no matter if they talk about peace) and confident in his abilities to wage it against Russia. And we?

[Jun 08, 2015] Washington's Great Game and Why It's Failing

et al, June 8, 2015 at 4:50 am
Antiwar.com – Alfred McCoy and Tom Engelhardt: Washington's Great Game and Why It's Failing
http://original.antiwar.com/engelhardt/2015/06/07/washingtons-great-game-and-why-its-failing/

…Yet even America's stunning victory in the Cold War with the implosion of the Soviet Union would not transform the geopolitical fundamentals of the world island. As a result, after the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989, Washington's first foreign foray in the new era would involve an attempt to reestablish its dominant position in the Persian Gulf, using Saddam Hussein's occupation of Kuwait as a pretext.

In 2003, when the U.S. invaded Iraq, imperial historian Paul Kennedy returned to Mackinder's century-old treatise to explain this seemingly inexplicable misadventure. "Right now, with hundreds of thousands of U.S. troops in the Eurasian rimlands," Kennedy wrote in the Guardian, "it looks as if Washington is taking seriously Mackinder's injunction to ensure control of 'the geographical pivot of history.'" If we interpret these remarks expansively, the sudden proliferation of U.S. bases across Afghanistan and Iraq should be seen as yet another imperial bid for a pivotal position at the edge of the Eurasian heartland, akin to those old British colonial forts along India's Northwest Frontier…

…Instead of focusing purely on building a blue-water navy like the British or a global aerospace armada akin to America's, China is reaching deep within the world island in an attempt to thoroughly reshape the geopolitical fundamentals of global power. It is using a subtle strategy that has so far eluded Washington's power elites.

After decades of quiet preparation, Beijing has recently begun revealing its grand strategy for global power, move by careful move. Its two-step plan is designed to build a transcontinental infrastructure for the economic integration of the world island from within, while mobilizing military forces to surgically slice through Washington's encircling containment…
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It can't be much clearer than that. Re-balancing to land based infrastructure reduces China's exposure to the USA's control of the seas. All they need to to is push back the USA little by little, regularly to change the risk equation. Russia, the shortest route for goods from Asia to Europe is also fundamental to this. Instead of sending massive cargo ships to Europe, go by rail & Russia is putting the Trans-siberian railway through a deep upgrade. The US is then just left with drones & air power, one single arm of the pincer and also quite vulnerable.

jeremn, June 8, 2015 at 6:38 am
US supplies defensive sniper arms to Ukraine. But uses Bulgaria as an intermediate destination to hide what it is doing?

I can't decide whether these were weapons used to train the National Guard, which just happened to pass through Bulgaria, or if the US has been gun running arms into Ukraine (using Bulgaria) as the article suggests.

http://fortruss.blogspot.ch/2015/06/leaked-documents-expose-american-scheme.html?m=1

[Jun 07, 2015] We are the propagandists The real story about how The New York Times and the White House has turned truth in the Ukraine on it

"...The Ukraine crisis reminds us that the pathology is not limited to the peculiar dreamers who made policy during the Bush II administration, whose idea of reality was idealist beyond all logic. It is a late-imperial phenomenon that extends across the board. "Unprecedented" is considered a dangerous word in journalism, but it may describe the Obama administration's furious efforts to manufacture a Ukraine narrative and our media's incessant reproduction of all its fallacies."
Jun 03, 2015 | salon.com

A sophisticated game of manipulation is afoot over Russia: power, influence and money. U.S. hands are not clean

A couple of weeks ago, this column guardedly suggested that John Kerry's day-long talks in Sochi with Vladimir Putin and his foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, looked like a break in the clouds on numerous questions, primarily the Ukraine crisis. I saw no evidence that President Obama's secretary of state had suddenly developed a sensible, post-imperium foreign strategy consonant with a new era. It was force of circumstance. It was the 21st century doing its work.

This work will get done, cleanly and peaceably or otherwise.

Sochi, an unexpected development, suggested the prospect of cleanliness and peace. But events since suggest that otherwise is more likely to prove the case. It is hard to say because it is hard to see, but our policy cliques may be gradually wading into very deep water in Ukraine.

Ever since the 2001 attacks on New York and Washington, reality itself has come to seem up for grabs. Karl Rove, a diabolically competent political infighter but of no discernible intellectual weight, may have been prescient when he told us to forget our pedestrian notions of reality-real live reality. Empires create their own, he said, and we're an empire now.

The Ukraine crisis reminds us that the pathology is not limited to the peculiar dreamers who made policy during the Bush II administration, whose idea of reality was idealist beyond all logic. It is a late-imperial phenomenon that extends across the board. "Unprecedented" is considered a dangerous word in journalism, but it may describe the Obama administration's furious efforts to manufacture a Ukraine narrative and our media's incessant reproduction of all its fallacies.

At this point it is only sensible to turn everything that is said or shown in our media upside down and consider it a second time. Who could want to live in a world this much like Orwell's or Huxley's-the one obliterating reality by destroying language, the other by making historical reference a transgression?

Language and history: As argued several times in this space, these are the weapons we are not supposed to have.

Ukraine now gives us two fearsome examples of what I mean by inverted reason.

One, it has been raining reports of Russia's renewed military presence in eastern Ukraine lately. One puts them down and asks, What does Washington have on the story board now, an escalation of American military involvement? A covert op? Let us watch.

Two, we hear ever-shriller charges that Moscow has mounted a dangerous, security-threatening propaganda campaign to destroy the truth-our truth, we can say. It is nothing short of "the weaponization of information," we are provocatively warned. Let us be on notice: Our truth and our air are now as polluted with propaganda as during the Cold War decades, and the only apparent plan is to make it worse.

O.K., let us do what sorting can be done.

Charges that Russia is variously amassing troops and materiel on its border with Ukraine or sending same across said border are nothing new. They are what General Breedlove, the strange-as-Strangelove NATO commander, gets paid to put out. These can be ignored, as most Europeans do.

But in April a new round of the escalation charges began. Michael Gordon, the New York Times' reliably obliging State Department correspondent, reported in a story with a single named source that Russia was adding soldiers and air defense systems along its border.

The sources for this were Marie Harf, one of State's spokespeople, and the standard variety of unnamed officials and analysts. Here is how it begins:

In a sign that the tense crisis in Ukraine could soon escalate, Russia has continued to deploy air defense systems in eastern Ukraine and has built up its forces near the border, American officials said on Wednesday.

Western officials are not sure if the military moves are preparations for a new Russian-backed offensive that would be intended to help the separatists seize additional territory.

"Could," "has continued," "not sure," "would be." And this was the lead, where the strongest stuff goes.

Scrape away the innuendo, and what you are reading in this piece is a whole lot of nothing. The second paragraph, stating what officials are not sure of, was a necessary contortion to get in the phrase "new Russian-backed offensive," which was the point of the piece. As journalism, this is so bad it belongs in a specimen jar.

Context, the stuff this kind of reporting does its best to keep from readers:

By mid-April, Washington was still at work trying to subvert the Minsk II ceasefire, an anti-Russian assassination campaign was under way in Kiev and the Poroshenko government, whether or not it approved of the campaign, was proving unable, unwilling or both to implement any of the constitutional revisions to which Minsk II committed it.

A week before the April 22 report, 300 troops from the 173rd Airborne had arrived to begin training the Ukrainian national guard. The Times piece acknowledged this for the simple reason it was the elephant in the living room, but by heavy-handed implication it dismissed any thought of causality.

Given the context, I would not be at all surprised to learn that Moscow may have put air defense systems in place. And I am not at all sure what is so worrisome about them. Maybe it is the same reasoning Benjamin Netanyahu applied when Russia recently agreed to supply Iran with air defense technology: It will make it harder for us to attack them, the dangerous Israeli complained.

Neither am I sure what is so worrisome about Russians training eastern Ukrainian partisans-another charge Harf leveled-if it is supposed to be a mystery why American trainers at the other end of the country prompt alarm in Moscow.

Onward from April 22 the new theme flowed. On May 17 Kiev claimed that it had captured two uniformed Russian soldiers operating inside Ukraine. On May 21 came reports that European monitors had interviewed the two under unstated conditions and had ascertained they were indeed active-duty infantry. This gave "some credence" to Kiev's claim, the Times noted, although at this point some is far short of enough when Kiev makes these kinds of assertions.

On May 30-drum roll, please-came the absolute coup de grâce. The Atlantic Council, one of the Washington think tanks-its shtick seems to be some stripe of housebroken neoliberalism-published a report purporting to show that, in the Times' language, "Russia is continuing to defy the West by conducting protracted military operations inside Ukraine."

Read the report here. It's first sentence: "Russia is at war with Ukraine."

"Continuing to defy?" "At war with Ukraine?" If you refuse to accept the long, documented record of Moscow's efforts to work toward a negotiated settlement with Europe-and around defiant Americans-and if you call the Ukraine conflict other than a civil war, well, someone is creating your reality for you.

Details. The Times described "Hiding in Plain Sight: Putin's War in Ukraine" as "an independent report." I imagine Gordon-he seems to do all the blurry stuff these days-had a straight face when he wrote three paragraphs later that John Herbst, one of the Atlantic Council's authors, is a former ambassador to Ukraine.

I do not know what kind of a face Gordon wore when he reported later on that the Atlantic Council paper rests on research done by Bellingcat.com, "an investigative website." Or when he let Herbst get away with calling Bellingcat, which appears to operate from a third-floor office in Leicester, a city in the English Midlands, "independent researchers."

I wonder, honestly, if correspondents look sad when they write such things-sad their work has come to this.

One, Bellingcat did its work using Google, YouTube and other readily available social media technologies, and this we are supposed to think is the cleverest thing under the sun. Are you kidding?

Manipulating social media "evidence" has been a parlor game in Kiev; Washington; Langley, Virginia, and at NATO since the Ukraine crisis broke open. Look at the graphics included in the presentation. I do not think technical expertise is required to see that these images prove what all others offered as evidence since last year prove: nothing. It looks like the usual hocus-pocus.

Two, examine the Bellingcat web site and try to figure out who runs it. I tried the about page and it was blank. The site consists of badly supported anti-Russian "reports"-no "investigation" aimed in any other direction.

I look at this stuff now and think, Well, there may be activity on Russia's borders or inside Ukraine, but maybe not. Those two soldiers may be Russian and may be on active duty, but I cannot draw any conclusion.

I do not appreciate having to think this way-not as a reader and not as a former newsman. I do not like reading Times editorials, such as Tuesday's, which institutionalizes "Putin's war" and other such tropes, and having to say, Our most powerful newspaper is into the created reality game.

A few things can be made clear in all this. Straight off the top it is almost certain, despite a logical wariness of presented evidence, that Russia has personnel and weapons deployed along its border and in Ukraine.

I greatly hope so, and whether they are on duty or otherwise interests me not at all.

First of all, it is a highly restrained approach to a geopolitical circumstance that Moscow recognizes as dangerous, Washington does not seem to and Kiev emphatically does not. In reversed circumstances, a troubled nation would have long back turned into an open conflict between two nuclear powers. Fig leafs have their place.

I have written before on the question of spheres of influence: They are to be observed if not honored. Stephen Cohen, the Russianist scholar, prefers "spheres of security," and the phrase makes the point plainly. Russia cannot be expected to abandon its interests as Cohen defines them, and considering what is at issue for Moscow, the response is intelligently measured.

Equally, Moscow appears to recognize that without any equilibrium between the Russian-tilted east and the Western-tilted west, Ukraine will be a bloodbath. Irresponsible as it has proven, and with little or no control over armed extreme rightist factions, Kiev cannot be allowed even an attempt to resolve this crisis militarily.

One has to consider how these things are conventionally done. I had a cousin who piloted helicopters in Vietnam long ago. When we spread the conflict to Laos and Cambodia he flew in blue jeans, a T-shirt, sneakers and without dog tags. "If you go down, we don't know you," was the O.D.

A directly germane case is Angola in the mid-1970s. When the Portuguese were forced to flee the old colony, the CIA began supplying right-wing opportunists in the north and south with weapons, money, and agency personnel. Only in response did Cuba send troops that quickly proved decisive. I remember well all the howls of "aggression"-all of them hypocritical rubbish: American efforts to subvert the movement that still governs Angola peaceably continued for a dozen more years.

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The Times editorial just noted is headlined, "Vladimir Putin Hides the Truth." This is upside-down-ism at its very worst.

It is not easy to put accounts of the Ukraine crisis side by side to compare them. Think of two bottles of unlabeled wine in a blind taste test. Now read on.

I do not see how there can be any question that Moscow's take on Ukraine and the larger East-West confrontation is the more coherent. Read or listen to Putin's speeches, notably that delivered at the Valdai Discussion Club, a Davos variant, in Sochi last October. It is historically informed, with a grasp of interests (common and opposing), the nature of the 21st century environment and how best outcomes are to be achieved in it.

Altogether, Moscow offers a vastly more sophisticated, coherent accounting of the Ukraine crisis than any American official has or ever will. This is for one simple reason: Neither Putin nor Lavrov bears the burden American officials do of having to sell people mythical renderings of how the world works or their place in it.

Russia's interests are clear and can be stated clearly, to put the point another way. America's-the expansion of opportunity for capital and the projection of power-must always remain shrouded.

The question of plausibility is a serious imbalance, critical in its implications. In my view it accounts for that probably unprecedented propaganda effort noted earlier. It has ensued apace since Andrew Lack, named in January as America's first chief propaganda officer (CEO of the new Broadcasting Board of Governors), instantly declared information a field of battle. A war of the worldviews, we may call it.

This war grows feverish as we speak. In the current edition of The Nation, a journalist named James Carden publishes a remarkable piece detailing the extremes now approached. I rank it a must read, and you can find it here.

Carden's piece is called "The New McCarthyism," and any reader having a look will know well enough why our drift back toward the paranoid style of the 1950s is something we all ought to guard against. A great deal of this column would be banned as "disinformation." Whatever your stripe, I urge you to recognize this as serious.

The focus here is on a report called "The Menace of Unreality: How the Kremlin Weaponizes Information, Culture and Money." It is written by Peter Pomerantsev and Michael Weiss. It is published by an Internet magazine called The Intepreter, as a special report sponsored by the Institute for Modern Russia.

Credential problems galore. Weiss is an "expert" on flavors of the month, a main-chancer who sat at the late Christopher Hitchens' feet and inhabited a think tank in London before taking the editor's chair at The Interpreter. Pomersantsev was a TV producer in the most decadent corners of the Russian media circus, wheeling against it all only when he lost out. Now he is a darling of our media, naturally.

Both, most important, seem to carry water for Michail Khodorkovsky, the oligarchic crook whom Western media, from the Times on down, now lionize as a democrat because he and Putin are enemies. Khodorkovsky funds the Institute for Modern Russia, based in New York. The IMR, in turn, funds The Interpreter.

Got the fix? Ready to take this report seriously, are we?

Astonishingly enough, a lot of people are. As Carden reports, Weiss and Pomerantsev cut considerable mustard among the many members of Congress nursing the new Russophobia. Anne Applebaum, the prominent paranoid on all questions Russian; and Geoffrey Pyatt, Obama's coup-cultivating ambassador in Kiev: Many weighty figures stand with these guys.

Carden lays out his thesis expertly. Putin's weaponization of news makes him more dangerous than any communist ever was, "The Menace of Unreality" asserts, and he must be countered. How? With "an internationally recognized ratings system for disinformation."

"Media organizations that practice conscious deception should be excluded from the community," Weiss and Pomerantsev write-the community being those of approved thought.

No, Carden is not kidding.

It may seem odd, but I credit Weiss and Pomerantsev with one insight. The infection of ideology now debilitates us. Blindness spreads and has to be treated. But there agreement ends, as I consider their report to be among the more extreme cases of the disease so far to show itself.

You can follow the internal logic, but I would not spend too much time on it because there is none once you exit their bubble. There is only one truth, the argument runs, and it just so happens it is exactly what we think. There is no other way to see things. All is TINA, "there is no alternative."

It would be easy to dismiss Weiss and Pomerantsev as supercilious hacks, and I do. But not the stance. They say too clumsily and bluntly what is actually the prevalent intellectual frame, a key aspect of the neoliberal stance. TINA, the argument Thatcher made famous, applies to all things.

To say "The Menace of Unreality" advocates a kind of intellectual protectionism is not strong enough. Their idea comes to the control of information, which is to say the control of the truth. And if you can think of a more efficient way to define the production of propaganda, use the comment box.

Fighting alleged propaganda with propaganda: This is upside down for you. It is what we get when people make up reality for us.


Patrick Smith is the author of "Time No Longer: Americans After the American Century." He was the International Herald Tribune's bureau chief in Hong Kong and then Tokyo from 1985 to 1992. During this time he also wrote "Letter from Tokyo" for the New Yorker. He is the author of four previous books and has contributed frequently to the New York Times, the Nation, the Washington Quarterly, and other publications. Follow him on Twitter, @thefloutist.


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[Jun 06, 2015] World War III will start with Pentagon bombing of RT – Kusturica

"...The RT network, Kusturica says, is destroying the "Hollywood-CNN stereotype of the good and bad guys, where blacks, Hispanics, Russians, Serbs are the villains"
" ...."[US Secretary of State] Kerry and the congressmen are bothered by the fact that RT sends signals that the world is not determined by the inevitability of liberal capitalism, that the US is leading the world into chaos, that Monsanto is not producing healthy food, that Coca-Cola is ideal for cleaning automobile alloys and [is] not for the human stomach, that in Serbia the percentage of people who die from cancer has risen sharply due to the 1999 NATO bombings ... that the fingerprints of the CIA are on the Ukrainian crisis, and that Blackwater fired at the Ukrainian police, and not Maidan activists," the filmmaker wrote. "
"...CNN in direct transmissions assures that since the 1990s America has been leading humanitarian actions, and not wars, and that its military planes rain angels, not bombs! "
"...RT will ever more demystify the American Dream and in primetime will reveal the truth hidden for decades from the eyes and hearts of average Americans"
Jun 06, 2015 | RT News

...The RT network, Kusturica says, is destroying the "Hollywood-CNN stereotype of the good and bad guys, where blacks, Hispanics, Russians, Serbs are the villains, and white Americans, wherever you look, are OK!"

"[US Secretary of State] Kerry and the congressmen are bothered by the fact that RT sends signals that the world is not determined by the inevitability of liberal capitalism, that the US is leading the world into chaos, that Monsanto is not producing healthy food, that Coca-Cola is ideal for cleaning automobile alloys and [is] not for the human stomach, that in Serbia the percentage of people who die from cancer has risen sharply due to the 1999 NATO bombings ... that the fingerprints of the CIA are on the Ukrainian crisis, and that Blackwater fired at the Ukrainian police, and not Maidan activists," the filmmaker wrote.

... ... ...

RT is a real threat to US state propaganda as it reaches Americans "in their own homes, in perfect English, better than they use on CNN." And that is why, according to the director, Washington could get fed up and seek to silence RT by force – much like NATO did to Serbian state TV in April 1999.

...CNN, which he considers the flag-bearer of pro-American propaganda: "CNN in direct transmissions assures that since the 1990s America has been leading humanitarian actions, and not wars, and that its military planes rain angels, not bombs!"

...Kusturica believes, "RT will ever more demystify the American Dream and in primetime will reveal the truth hidden for decades from the eyes and hearts of average Americans."

Born in what is today Bosnia-Herzegovina, Emir Kusturica is a 60-year-old Serbian filmmaker, actor and musician. He has won numerous international awards for his films, and was appointed Serbia's ambassador to UNICEF in 2007.

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[Jun 05, 2015]A story from the past shows why neocons are dangerous for the global peace and security

Jun 02, 2015 | the unbalanced evolution of homo sapiens

Nixon's and Kissinger's dangerous games in the Vietnam War – The Madman strategy

Recent documents show that the hardcore branch of the US policy during the Vietnam war, was playing dangerous games with North Vietnam and the Soviets, in order to drag the other side to negotiations.

We see today a similar game played by the neocons in Ukraine and Asia-Pacific. In the new Cold War, neocons are playing more dangerous games with Russia and China, as they try to persuade that they will not hesitate to proceed in a nuclear strike against both their rivals, because they see that the Sino-Russian bloc threatens the US global sovereignty.

From National Security Archive:

"Nixon's and Kissinger's Madman strategy during the Vietnam War included veiled nuclear threats intended to intimidate Hanoi and its patrons in Moscow. The story is recounted in a new book, Nixon's Nuclear Specter: The Secret Alert of 1969, Madman Diplomacy, and the Vietnam War, co-authored by Jeffrey Kimball, Miami University professor emeritus, and William Burr, who directs the Archive's Nuclear History Documentation Project. Research for the book, which uncovers the inside story of White House Vietnam policymaking during Nixon's first year in office, drew on hundreds of formerly top secret and secret records obtained by the authors as well as interviews with former government officials."

"With Madman diplomacy, Nixon and Kissinger strove to end the Vietnam War on the most favorable terms possible in the shortest period of time practicable, an effort that culminated in a secret global nuclear alert in October of that year. Nixon's Nuclear Specter provides the most comprehensive account to date of the origins, inception, policy context, and execution of 'JCS Readiness Test' -the equivalent of a worldwide nuclear alert that was intended to signal Washington's anger at Moscow's support of North Vietnam and to jar the Soviet leadership into using their leverage to induce Hanoi to make diplomatic concessions. Carried out between 13 and 30 October 1969, it involved military operations around the world, the continental United States, Western Europe, the Middle East, the Atlantic, Pacific, and the Sea of Japan. The operations included strategic bombers, tactical air, and a variety of naval operations, from movements of aircraft carriers and ballistic missile submarines to the shadowing of Soviet merchant ships heading toward Haiphong."

"The authors also recount secret military operations that were part of the lead-up to the global alert, including a top secret mining readiness test that took place during the spring and summer of 1969. This mining readiness test was a ruse intended to signal Hanoi that the US was preparing to mine Haiphong harbor and the coast of North Vietnam. It is revealed for the first time in this book."

"Another revelation has to do with the fabled DUCK HOOK operation, a plan for which was initially drafted in July 1969 as a mining-only operation. It soon evolved into a mining-and-bombing, shock-and-awe plan scheduled to be launched in early November, but which Nixon aborted in October, substituting the global nuclear alert in its place. The failure of Nixon's and Kissinger's 1969 Madman diplomacy marked a turning point in their initial exit strategy of winning a favorable armistice agreement by the end of the year 1969. Subsequently, they would follow a so-called long-route strategy of withdrawing U.S. troops while attempting to strengthen South Vietnam's armed forces, although not necessarily counting on Saigon's long-term survival."

"In 1969, the Nixon's administrations long-term goal was to provide President Nguyen Van Thieus government in Saigon with a decent chance of surviving for a reasonable interval of two to five years following the sought-after mutual exit of US and North Vietnamese forces from South Vietnam. They would have preferred that President Thieu and South Vietnam survive indefinitely, and they would do what they could to maintain South Vietnam as a separate political entity. But they were realistic enough to appreciate that such a goal was unlikely and beyond their power to achieve by a military victory on the ground or from the air in Vietnam."

"Giving Thieu a decent chance to survive, even for just a decent interval, however, rested primarily on persuading Hanoi to withdraw its troops from the South or, if that failed, prolonging the war in order to give time for Vietnamization to take hold in order to enable Thieu to fight the war on his own for a reasonable period of time after the US exited Indochina. In 1969, Nixon and Kissinger hoped that their Madman threat strategy, coupled with linkage diplomacy, could persuade Hanoi to agree to mutual withdrawal at the negotiating table or lever Moscows cooperation in persuading Hanoi to do so. In this respect, Nixon's Nuclear Specter is an attempt to contribute to better understanding of Nixon and Kissinger's Vietnam diplomacy as a whole."

http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/nukevault/ebb517-Nixon-Kissinger-and-the-Madman-Strategy-during-Vietnam-War/

These materials are reproduced from www.nsarchive.org with the permission of the National Security Archive.

[Jun 05, 2015] The nature of the war in Donbass seems to have changed lately, and not in a good way for Novorossiya

"...The nature of the war in Donbass seems to have changed lately, and not in a good way for Novorossiya."
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"...The latest battle in Marinka was a good demonstration. The Kiev junta used Marinka as a base for shelling other parts of Donetsk. The junta also fortified Marinka well with the help of their US advisers. As the civilian casualties started to mount the NAF had no other options than to start an offensive against Marinka. The NAF suffered heavy losses (hundreds of KIA according to pro-Novorossiyan sources) and managed to capture only a small part of Marinka. The Kiev junta considered the outcome as a victory since they managed to inflict heavy losses for the NAF and keep most of Marinka."
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"...Yes, I think you're right, and the days of cheap victories – relatively speaking, I don't mean to trivialize NAF losses and civilian casualties, but I'm talking about victories like Ilovaisk and Debaltseve – are over for Novorossiya. The new strategy does appear to be to draw the NAF in and make them commit to an offensive which will give Kiev's forces a chance, an excuse, to strike.
Jun 5, 2015 | marknesop.wordpress.com
karl1haushofer, June 5, 2015 at 8:26 am
The nature of the war in Donbass seems to have changed lately, and not in a good way for Novorossiya.

Instead of suicidal offensives and going into cauldrons the Ukrainian military is staying put and shelling both the military and civilian targets in Donbass. In this week hundreds of civilians in different parts of Donbass have been killed by the shelling of Kiev. I'm sure the American advisers have played their part in this change of strategy.

What does this mean? The NAF (Novorossiyan Armed Forces) have to go for an offensives against well fortified junta positions. This will

  1. cause great losses in manpower and arms for the NAF
  2. give Kiev and the West a good pretext to blame the NAF for escalation and breach of Minsk agreement (as they ignore the previous shelling of Kiev and only take notice when the NAF goes for an offensive) and extend the sanctions on Russia.

The latest battle in Marinka was a good demonstration. The Kiev junta used Marinka as a base for shelling other parts of Donetsk. The junta also fortified Marinka well with the help of their US advisers. As the civilian casualties started to mount the NAF had no other options than to start an offensive against Marinka. The NAF suffered heavy losses (hundreds of KIA according to pro-Novorossiyan sources) and managed to capture only a small part of Marinka. The Kiev junta considered the outcome as a victory since they managed to inflict heavy losses for the NAF and keep most of Marinka.

I'm afraid that outcomes like happened in Ilovaysk and Debaltsevo are not going to happen anymore. The Ukrainian military is simply better than it was then. They have become wiser. They "bait" the NAF to attack by killing scores of civilians and then repel these attacks while inflicting heavy losses for the NAF.

The current standings in the war are in favor of Kiev, since Novorossiya is in a constant survival mode. The war has been going on for a year and the enemy has not even been driven out of Donetsk yet. In order to do so Donbass needs increased Russian help which may not be coming. Expect this war to continue for at least two or three more years with thousands of more civilians dying.

marknesop, June 5, 2015 at 9:47 am
Yes, I think you're right, and the days of cheap victories – relatively speaking, I don't mean to trivialize NAF losses and civilian casualties, but I'm talking about victories like Ilovaisk and Debaltseve – are over for Novorossiya. The new strategy does appear to be to draw the NAF in and make them commit to an offensive which will give Kiev's forces a chance, an excuse, to strike.

But what then? Have the UAF grown mighty and skilled in their idleness, with battalions of crack troops and tactics up the wazoo? Hardly. A major lunge at Novorossiya will likely end the way the other attempts have, and Ukraine cannot really afford to lose another major battle. So if the NAF will not be drawn, it's a grinding war of attrition that holds no promise of a blinding victory for Kiev, which must keep its troops deployed in the field while the NAF is at home. The recent curtailment of water and food supplies suggest Kiev is getting impatient, but those measures only make the state look heavy-handed and oppressive as well as a violator of international law – and while there will be no punishment, naturally, make no mistake; people notice – and are most unlikely to break Novorossiya's will as Ukraine does not control the border.

The constant shelling is just Porky's way of being seen to do something, but it is unlikely to produce any tactical successes unless the NAF lunges for the bait and the two sides commit to a major battle. And in that case, unless Kiev can get heavy weapons to the front in a hurry, it is likely to lose again and perhaps the demarcation of Novorossiya will expand again.

ThatJ, June 5, 2015 at 10:30 am

In this week hundreds of civilians in different parts of Donbass have been killed by the shelling of Kiev.

Aren't you exaggerating? That's awful if true.

kat kan, June 5, 2015 at 3:01 pm
The NAF suffered heavy losses (hundreds of KIA according to pro-Novorossiyan sources)

I think he exaggerates in both cases. The only figure into 100s I've seen was something about 200 KIA from Kiev-1 which is a Right Sector force. And something about 2 Ural trucks of bodies. Now that would not be truckloads of bodies picked up (UAF is not good about taking their dead especially in mid-battle) but sounds more like 2 truckloads of arriving soldiers killed before getting out, ie the trucks were blown up. The "200 KIA" is a translation error, ie 200(KIA) meaning they "became 200s (dead)" explaining what the 200 code means.

Civilian deaths for the whole past week I think are around 20 but a lot of wounded, many not directly shot but by collapsing walls etc. About 100 were evacuated from a Donetsk hospital, including sick people, not freshly wounded. For Maryinka NAF admitted to about 30 KIA and 90 wounded, only a few seriously; I've seen video showing some with single bandages on what seem to be single shrapnel wounds.

Oh for the good old days of Minsk1, when many areas were just holding the line, no advance possible, so they didn't try very hard. "Hey! we're trying to cook breakfast here" "Oh sorry, we'll give you half an hour" before desultory shelling starts.

[Jun 04, 2015] How to succeed in Iran: lessons from Russia and China by Tehran Bureau correspondent

Notable quotes:
"...Money money money, grab grab grab. The opening up of Iran is all about western companies making money and peace may be a fortunate side effect."
"...But maybe it's just reputation. The USA has been partying in the Middle East for decades, so people there already know who Americans are and what to expect from them. Russians and Chinese are involved too, but ways they use to achieve an agreement are not so... insolent, I'd say."
"...Against crippling sanctions they've achieved what the vast majority of countries in the region could only have dreamt of"
"...Resistance against what? Oh, you must mean the Western steam roller that crushes all life in countries that wish to follow their own destiny. Why would Iran want to join the 'Also Rans' who are only allowed the scraps thrown from the Western Oligarch Table?"
"...I'm not sure why state ownership of certain assets and industries is presented as a bad thing, in Guardian of all places. This is how governments pay for high standard of education, healthcare and strong defence. This is how governments avoid the debt trap and compounded interest charges creeping into the tax bill"
"...Wow, you must think that the rest of the world is truly as gullible as those in Canada and Australia when the USA once again stirs the shit at the bottom of the West Ukrainian pond."
"...They also have 81% home ownership as against The US and UK on about 65%. Education is valued and they have a high rate of women accessing tertiary education."
"...It's this kind: we, the westerners, are the most advanced civilization! The proof: our economies are all privatized, not government-run! The Iranians Russian, and Chinese are still savages! They have a long way to go to achieve our advanced level of civilization! "
"...US expert don't really understand that state capitalism is not a communist theory. Majority of Asian nations had practiced state capitalism.

Even British regime do practiced state capitalism till private liberalization been pushed by Margaret Thatcher."

Jun 04, 2015 | The Guardian

bcnteacher 4 Jun 2015 08:17

Money money money, grab grab grab. The opening up of Iran is all about western companies making money and peace may be a fortunate side effect.

BabyLyon 4 Jun 2015 08:14

Russia and China are more eastern, than western. It's easier for Iran to communicate with them, I think this may be a reason too.

But maybe it's just reputation. The USA has been partying in the Middle East for decades, so people there already know who Americans are and what to expect from them. Russians and Chinese are involved too, but ways they use to achieve an agreement are not so... insolent, I'd say.

abdur razzak 4 Jun 2015 07:38

Good, more power to them. This is a much more efficient way to use resources for the benefit of the whole population than anything the west ever tried.
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1DrSigmundFraud -> JoePope 4 Jun 2015 07:22

The US probably won't be doing business there for obvious reasons. Iran wants to protect it's industries if sanctions are lifted for obvious reasons. You only need to look at the UK for reasons as to what happens if you don't while the US for instance now has only 3 levels of classes

  • Poor
  • Extremely poor
  • Extremely wealthy

Iran does have a healthy middle class one the downtrodden US labor force would die for. Their Oil wealth has been put to good use check out the Tehran Metro for instance

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=tehran+metro+images&es_sm=93&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=8jJwVYu9GOqt7Aas5IHoBw&ved=0CCQQsAQ&biw=1366&bih=667

Or their Ski Resorts

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=ski+resorts+iran+images&es_sm=93&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=QTNwVarOC-HC7gbUwYDYCQ&ved=0CCEQsAQ&biw=1366&bih=667

Top Hotels

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=top+hotels+in+iran+images&es_sm=93&biw=1366&bih=667&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=fDNwVeoNxZruBtLngvgI&ved=0CCAQsAQ

Education one of the better Middle east countries

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Iran

Against crippling sanctions they've achieved what the vast majority of countries in the region could only have dreampt of

normankirk -> LoungeSuite 4 Jun 2015 06:47

And neo liberalism delivers such a great standard of living for ALL Americans and Brits does it?

HollyOldDog -> LoungeSuite 4 Jun 2015 06:27

Resistance against what? Oh, you must mean the Western steam roller that crushes all life in countries that wish to follow their own destiny. Why would Iran want to join the 'Also Rans' who are only allowed the scraps thrown from the Western Oligarch Table?

MaoChengJi -> LoungeSuite 4 Jun 2015 06:21

Sort of like in Putin's Russia.

Yeah, exactly. Like Putin's Russia compared to Yeltsin's Russia. Like China.

LoungeSuite -> MaoChengJi 4 Jun 2015 06:08

Neoliberalism will fail soon, but state-controlled economies will survive,

Sort of like in Putin's Russia. And now in Venezuela. Oh. And the Cuban is a supreme example of socialism. (Gone wrong of course. Somehow, it always goes wrong. Oh! And America is to blame. Standard Guardian discourse).


HollyOldDog -> Luminaire 4 Jun 2015 06:01

Swimming against the tide again is your speciality. Plus you just love throwing nonsense around. I have noticed that the Far Right Ukrainian punishers are up to their nasty tricks again just before a G7 meeting.

Wow, you must think that the rest of the world is truly as gullible as those in Canada and Australia when the USA once again stirs the shit at the bottom of the West Ukrainian pond.

HollyOldDog -> normankirk 4 Jun 2015 05:48

It's a pity that successive British Governments were not better disposed to hanging on to British State assets rather than selling off the family jewels.

JoePope 4 Jun 2015 05:15

I'm not sure why state ownership of certain assets and industries is presented as a bad thing, in Guardian of all places. This is how governments pay for high standard of education, healthcare and strong defence. This is how governments avoid the debt trap and compounded interest charges creeping into the tax bill -- it is difficult to support the welfare system in any populous country purely through tax collection. One would have to have perfect conditions of natural resources/reserves, high technology, innovation and diversification, favourable geopolitical environment & export ability, stable and predictable population levels AND the lack of short term electioneering and corruption to achieve that. Even then, it is debatable whether private ownership and capital especially foreign capital in the case of strategic assets (energy, defence) is justified or needed.

Of course a fully centrally planned economy has been proven to be inefficient and uncompetitive when met with open/free markets -- the "greed is good" mantra, profit seeking motive and consumerism trumps the desire to empower and care for the wider population and more worryingly the need to maintain social cohesion, independence and security. Therefore, a balance should be sought through bilateral or regional deals with economies which are at a similar developmental level, to ensure healthy competition exists and drives improvements in labour productivity, product quality and technology.

This analysis gives some interesting information on Iran but reads as sour grapes and profiteering attempt by western investment funds and corporations. I hope Iranians keep the family jewels in their hands and allow external trade and investment only on terms favorable to their people and their economy.

normankirk -> MaoChengJi 4 Jun 2015 04:13

Good shit, I agree. Must be how come they can afford a good public health system, their primary health care network is acclaimed. They also have 81% home ownership as against The US and UK on about 65%. Education is valued and they have a high rate of women accessing tertiary education.

All of the above is how they have been so resilient in the face of pretty brutal sanctions.

But of course these days, having national assets is akin to being a dictatorship in the eyes of corporatocracies.

MaoChengJi Dmitry Berezhnov 4 Jun 2015 03:26

It's this kind: we, the westerners, are the most advanced civilization! The proof: our economies are all privatized, not government-run! The Iranians Russian, and Chinese are still savages! They have a long way to go to achieve our advanced level of civilization!

Yes, you can make money trading and making deals with savages, but you need to understand their savagery ways and be careful.

allowmetosayuarefool 4 Jun 2015 02:50

US expert don't really understand that state capitalism is not a communist theory. Majority of Asian nations had practiced state capitalism.

Even British regime do practiced state capitalism till private liberalization been pushed by Margaret Thatcher. Private liberation had its own disadvantages.

look at HK economic - largely been controlled by few family of tycoon. Today, UK election result had been determined by UK BANKER.

MaoChengJi 4 Jun 2015 02:42

The economy in the Islamic republic is still largely state-owned, with much of its 'privatised' capital in the hands of regime-affiliated organizations

Good, more power to them. This is a much more efficient way to use resources for the benefit of the whole population than anything the west ever tried.

Neoliberalism will fail soon, but state-controlled economies will survive, if they are isolated enough from the failing neoliberal environment. Sounds like the Iranian economy is, and good for them.

Dmitry Berezhnov 4 Jun 2015 00:14

Could not figure what kind of article that is, either:

- In case we are not going to sign a nuclear deal, please note that there's no democracy and we will have to invade them.

or:

- Iran is kind of not bad for investments, look how China and Russia make money on cooperation while we cannot due to sanctions implied by ourself.

'Found' letters of love and poetry by Chechen fighters in Syria posted online

Notable quotes:
"...- that it's enacting violence as a yearning to return to Islam's most primitive and literal beliefs, an attempt to time travel, per se, to a medieval past, and in so doing, an attempt to excise modernity itself from the world (hence its ferocious attacks on other Muslims who have overwhelmingly abandoned those archaic beliefs and teachings) -- equal parts enlightening and chilling. "
"...The Soviets were fighting on the side of those Afghans echo wanted to rid their country of such scum. The seppos with their British and Saudi running dogs were the ones who helped these scum win on Afghanistan. They got a thank you on 11/9/01."
"...ISIL remind me of USA from history books. A lot of people unite under an idea, take over land, wipe history and population to a maximum possible extent in order to create a new nation. Ironically it was US idea to give ISIL (or ISIS) a kick start."
"...This piece of non-news from Washington's official propaganda machine RFERL comes across as a thinly vieled attempt to humanize and romanticize the brainwashed ISIS terrorists, who according to the piece are now militants - essentially a neutral term). Will RFERL again relabel them "freedom fighters" if they return to wage Jihad in Chechnya? Most definitely I say. The recently leaked DIA documents revealing that the US financed jihadi-crazed extremist groups in Syria, knowing full well the likelihood they would attempt to declare a caliphate, clearly exposes the cynicism of the US in the Middle East and their plan to create chaos in order to maintain hegemony in the region, prevent Iran and the Shia's from gaining strength, and no matter how many lives and destruction it costs - remove Assad so the Qutari gas pipeline can finally be built through Syria to Europe. Sickening"
"...Yeah, but they need the single evil mastermind responsible for all the evil in the world. They need him in order to scare their rubes, to distract them from real problems, to re-focus their anger. They need Emmanuel Goldstein. Obama bin Laden is dead, so now it's Putin. Obviously he's responsible for ISIS, who else."
"...Attempting to forge a public perception link between Russia and IS ? The White House press Dept have been doing that for quite a while now. Strange then that IS is basically a gang of US originated, trained, armed, and funded attack dogs?"
Jun 04, 2015 | The Guardian

dyst1111 -> StatusFoe 4 Jun 2015 08:39

As my comment was removed I will post again:

"ISIS terrorists, who according to the piece are now militants"

The term "ISIS militant" has been in use for years in British press. Russia Today uses it as well. So your theories are not confirmed by facts. Unless RT is really a part of "Washington's official propaganda machine".

dyst1111 -> Luminaire 4 Jun 2015 08:33

USA created ISIS, NATO, Bolsheviks, Hitler etc...but it were the British who created the USA. So it is the Brits' fault really.

AhBrightWings 4 Jun 2015 07:35

I've rarely seen a greater need for air quotes. There is no "poetry" to be had here, none; not a line or image quoted here rises to poetry's exacting metrics (oddly, the most moving line was about the stove).

I do think the author is right to note the similarities to romanticized chivalry. The Atlantic has a superb, recent article about what "Isis wants." I found its main premise -- that it's enacting violence as a yearning to return to Islam's most primitive and literal beliefs, an attempt to time travel, per se, to a medieval past, and in so doing, an attempt to excise modernity itself from the world (hence its ferocious attacks on other Muslims who have overwhelmingly abandoned those archaic beliefs and teachings) -- equal parts enlightening and chilling.

These written records -- whether propaganda or legitimate letters -- offer glimpses into the mentality that gives rise to these terrible acts, and so have value, but none of the lines quoted rise to poetry in the way the famous Sullivan Ballou Civil War letter does (though, maybe something is lost in translating Arabic to English).

6i9vern psygone 4 Jun 2015 07:29

The Soviets were fighting on the side of those Afghans echo wanted to rid their country of such scum.

The seppos with their British and Saudi running dogs were the ones who helped these scum win on Afghanistan. They got a thank you on 11/9/01.

6i9vern -> Aritra Gupta 4 Jun 2015 07:23

The Graun/RFE/Soros have a soft spot for these types. They did a similar piece on the women of one of the Ukrainian Nazi militias.

HollyOldDog -> Luminaire 4 Jun 2015 07:13

There is no relationship between Putins Russia and ISIS as its a contradiction in terms as Russia favors its relationship with the Syrian Government. Jordan ( who's representatives now want to lead FIFA - payment for services rendered) trained (with the assistance of the USA) the Syrian militants who became ISIS. There are several fractions within Chechnya, some who oppose the countries leader Kadyrov while the majority support him. A few Chechens were 'bused' from ISIS earlier this year to assassinate Kadyrov but they failed and were mostly wiped out.

dyst1111 -> InShockAndAwe 4 Jun 2015 05:42

I know. Just a few examples of this change of tone:

http://rt.com/news/165044-militants-seize-mosul-iraq/ june 2014
http://rt.com/news/210315-isis-militants-casualties-kobani/ june 2014 http://rt.com/news/174480-isis-ransack-monastery-iraq/ july 2014
http://rt.com/news/180712-isis-massacre-village-iraq/ august 2014

I see RT changed the tone a year ago.

warehouse_guy 4 Jun 2015 05:39

ISIL remind me of USA from history books. A lot of people unite under an idea, take over land, wipe history and population to a maximum possible extent in order to create a new nation. Ironically it was US idea to give ISIL (or ISIS) a kick start.

StatusFoe 4 Jun 2015 04:47

This piece of non-news from Washington's official propaganda machine RFERL comes across as a thinly vieled attempt to humanise and romanticise the brainwashed ISIS terrorists, who according to the piece are now militants - essentially a neutral term). Will RFERL again relabel them "freedom fighters" if they return to wage Jihad in Chechnya? Most definitetly I say. The recently leaked DIA documents revealing that the US financed jihadi-crazed extremist groups in Syria, knowing full well the likelyhood they would attempt to declare a caliphate, clearly exposes the cynicism of the US in the Middle East and their plan to create chaos in order to maintain hegemony in the region, prevent Iran and the Shia's from gaining strength, and no matter how many lives and destruction it costs - remove Assad so the Qutari gas pipeline can finally be built through Syria to Europe. Sickening...

normankirk 4 Jun 2015 03:53

Seems there are chechens and chechens, those who are loyal to Russia and those who would still be doing Beslan type massacres if they could. Incidentally those were always referred to as militants, not terrorists by the US. Chechens who fight in Syria also fight in Ukraine against the eastern Ukrainians. There are two excellent articles in The Intercept about the Chechen Extremists fighting alongside the Ukrainian army.

Maxstoic -> Corsair1972 4 Jun 2015 03:31

There once was a Chechen named Sam
Who listened to his fanatic Imam
So full of hysteria
He pissed off to Syria
And blew himself all over the sands.

Sam's wife left her home and her kids
And headed south to pick up the bits
Of her dead husband's remains
(Though he had little brains
His head filled up with myths and shit)

MaoChengJi -> Chris Hindle 4 Jun 2015 02:54

Yeah, but they need the single evil mastermind responsible for all the evil in the world. They need him in order to scare their rubes, to distract them from real problems, to re-focus their anger. They need Emmanuel Goldstein. Obama bin Laden is dead, so now it's Putin. Obviously he's responsible for ISIS, who else.

Chris Hindle 4 Jun 2015 02:17

Attempting to forge a public perception link between Russia and IS ?
The White House press Dept have been doing that for quite a while now

Strange then that IS is basically a gang of US originated, trained, armed, and funded attack dogs?

[Jun 03, 2015]Ex-Ukrainian President Yanukovych Tried to Bargain with Puppet Master and Lost

Jun 3. 2015 | russia-insider.com

Viktor Yanukovych tried to play both EU and Russia but the US had already decided his fate. Rostislav Ishchenko argues that:

  • Yanukovych attempted to use Russia's resources to pay for the integration with the EU
  • He was naïve enough to believe that just because he is presenting the West with the whole of Ukraine he will be allowed to stay president
  • US and EU wanted free trade agreement with Ukraine to act as the "wormhole" from the US directly into the CIS and make Eurasian Customs Union worthless, thus negating all integration plans of Russia in Eurasia

The text below is an excerpt from a longer essay from Rostislav Ishchenko, a prominent Russian commentator.

This article originally appeared at the Russian website Odnako. It was translated by Eugenia at The Vineyard of the Saker.


At that time [end of 2010], the oligarchic-nationalistic block believed that Russia should be treated as a source of all possible economic preferences, whereas the policy should be geared towards the West. By 2010, the "orange" Maidan team was completely discredited and lacked significant public support. Furthermore, the team had demonstrated total inability to create an acute conflict with Russia (like the one with Georgia) that would have tied up the Russian resources at the Ukrainian direction preventing Russia from interfering with the global affaires.

For that reason, the US did not object against the election of Yanukovich as President in 2010. Washington knew that Yanukovich would try to return to the Kuchma-style policy of multi-vector that presupposed the use of Russia's resources to pay for the integration with the EU.

At the beginning of 2000s, such policy no longer suited the US, and that was what prompted the coup of 2004. Then Washington no longer needed allies (no matter how loyal and dependent); it needed executors of already made decisions. But in 2010 the situation has changed: the US was pushed to support the Ukrainian multi-vector stance by the general weakening of its global geopolitical position as well as by the growing problems in the American economy. The US no longer had money to support its allies. Now the voiceless vassals were expected to pay for the American policy out of their own pocket.

In the situation of 2010, Yanukovych was the only Presidential candidate suitable for the US. The Yushchenko team (including the present day "heroes" Yatsenyuk and Poroshenko) was completely discredited, and it would require time to restore its image. Timoshenko earned the reputation of been unpredictable and prone to constantly cheat her partners. The only dirt the US had on her (her cooperation with Lazarenko) has already been presented in the Ukrainian media and produced minimal effect. On the contrary, Yanukovych was not only under control of the American agents (the group of Levotchkin-Firtash) but sincerely wanted to "integrate into the EU" by signing the association agreement. Apparently Victor Feodorovitch decided to prove to all who deposed him in 2004 that he was the only one who could "unite Ukraine" reconciling the East and the West. In reality it meant the refusal to honor his election promises and the beginning of the pro-Western policies.

Yanukovych was expected to sign the association agreement that would destroy the Ukrainian industry, completely discredit himself, concentrate everything negative on his own persona and then lose the 2015 elections to the American protégée. To make sure this scenario is followed (in case Yanukovich refuses to go peacefully), another Maidan was being prepared for 2015.

Yanukovych was naïve enough to believe that just because he is presenting the West with the whole of Ukraine, he would be allowed to get reelected in 2015. To that end, he and his surrounding actively financed and supported Nazi organizations (not only "Freedom" but also "Ukraine Patriot", UIA-OUN and others). "Dander of fascism" was supposed to unite around Yanukovych the anti-fascist voters from the South-East.

For moderate nationalists and "eurointegrators", the signed association with the EU was expected to serve as the incentive. Finally, to preserve the loyalty of the majority of the population, particularly those concerned exclusively with their economic wellbeing, it was planned under the pretext of the association to obtain a 15-20 billion credit from the EU, which would be enough, according to Azarov's calculations, to keep up or even improve the living standards until the 2015 elections.

The plan of Yanukovych was logically perfect. The EU getting its hands on Ukraine – an assest worth trillions – was expected to open up its wallet for a mere twenty billions. Yanukovych and Azarov thought that if Greece received 200 billions, then Brussels could find 20 billions for Ukraine.

The problem was that the US did not plan on keeping in power Yanukovych, who represented the interests of the national industry, and those interests would sooner or later collide with the abstract but unprofitable "European values". He was supposed to be replaced by completely tame comprador, and the national Ukrainian business was supposed to die out replaced by the European companies.

Maidan instead of the golden key

As result of that 5-year operation, the US would have established in Ukraine by early 2015 perfectly tame and legitimate Russophobic regime. The EU would have the free trade zone with Ukraine, which, first, after the demise of the Ukrainian industry, provided Europe with the 45 million-strong Ukrainian market (albeit with the decreasing buying power but still able to last a while longer), but, most importantly, via the free trade zone within the CIS the EU should obtain the access to the market of all CIS countries, particularly that of Russia. That would have minimized the European losses from the planned free trade agreement between the EU and US that was disadvantageous for the EU. Europe hoped to cover the losses form the free trade zone with the US at the expense of Russia and CIS.

Obviously, the US cared not about the compensation of the European financial and economic losses but about its own geopolitical interests. Most importantly, that free trade agreement acting as the "wormhole" from the US directly into the CIS made the Custom Union [Eurasian Customs Union] worthless and negated all integration plans of Russia in Eurasia. In one hit, the US would restore its political and economic dominance in the world, and the most dangerous American rival – Russia – was expected to pay for it.

That was a very elegant plan, and I can imagine how mad the Washington politicians were when that lummox Yanukovych finally realized that he would never see the European billions to support the social stability and suddenly only three months before the signing of the association agreement postponed the event. Yanulovych thought that he would bargain, get the money, and then sign. To make the EU more amenable, he went to Moscow, in accordance with the old Ukrainian tradition, where the coveted billions were promised to him on much easier terms. Putin tried at the last moment to play the Ukrainian cards he was dealt, that was why the decisions were made quickly and big money was given freely.

In contrast to Yanukovych, people in Washington know full well what the window of opportunities is. All interconnected elements – from the signing of the association Ukraine-EU agreement to Maidan-2015, including the free trade agreement the US-EU – were built into a rigid scheme and coordinated in time. Taking out one block made the whole building come down. As a result, Yanukovych got himself Maidan as early as the end of 2013.

[Jun 02, 2015] Tumbleweed Town: Kiev Post-Gas Transit

In Western MSM the 17.6% year on year GDP drop in Ukraine is mentioned as a just a number without any context. But during the Great Depression the US GDP contracted "only" 25%. In any given year of that depression it did not drop 17%. Also, in the case of Ukraine, it has already underwent its first Great Depression, which was worse than the US depression during the 1990s. So we are looking at The Second Great Depression in Ukraine. This is the meaning of this 17.6 drop. Ukrainian pensioners are brought by brave Western neocons with the help of local fifth column to the real starvation level. This is an important story and yet Western MSM ignore it much like they ignore now flight MH17. Instead we have overoptimistic "confidence enhancing" forecasts from Moody's, the World Bank, the IMF, and other western agencies. Which are pure political fluff. when in reality we need to state that USA neocons (see Nulandgate) destroyed the Ukraine economics and plunge the country into another Great Depression.
Ukraine earns around $3 Billion a year from gas transit fees. How is the loss of this income going to impact Ukraine, in view of its medium-term economic forecast?
Jun 01, 2015 | marknesop.wordpress.com

Anyone who has not sleepwalked through the gas-price squabble between Russia and Ukraine since the Great Freedom Jubilee known as EuroMaidan is aware that Russia has grown fed up with Ukraine's posturing and loose grip on reality – neither being a quality that is endearing or inspirational of confidence in its reliability as a gas-transit country for Europe. Russia has had projects underway for some time to gradually reduce its reliance on Ukraine as a gas-transit corridor for Russian gas since the stand-off in 2009, in which Ukraine was siphoning off gas intended for Europe for its own use free of charge, while Russia was expected to just make up the difference – Ukraine was confident Russia was without alternatives, since it would not dare shut off Europe's gas. Which it did, of course, initiating a panic and a lasting reputation for Russia as an unreliable energy partner. Nothing much was ever said about Ukraine stealing gas; Europe made a few comments to the effect that there was wrong on both sides, and left it at that, and ever afterward the narrative was that they knew Russia accused Ukraine of stealing gas, but where was the evidence?

Russia constructed the Nord Stream pipeline, and partially completed South Stream, the two of which together would handle the entirety of gas shipped to Europe, without going through Ukraine. The EU dug in its heels, and went on about how everyone needs rules and Russia would have to abide by the Third Energy Package which said the same company cannot own both the gas and the pipeline, and lots of other twaddle although it simply hands out exemptions to its own suppliers, and Russia canceled South Stream. The EU was jubilant – it had put those Russkies in their place, by God!

Which brings us, skipping over many other details which are of great import but not germane to the gas situation, to where we are now. Russia has announced it will construct Turkish Stream instead, delivering the same amount forecast for South Stream – 63 BCm – to the Turkish/Greek border. If Europe wants gas, it can build pipeline infrastructure to take it from that point. If not, fine – start busting up Granny's piano for firewood. And none – as of 2019 at the latest but probably around 2017 – will go through Ukraine.

Ukraine earns around $3 Billion a year from gas transit fees. How is the loss of this income going to impact Ukraine, in view of its medium-term economic forecast?

As a starting point, it would be hard to envision a more dramatically effective program of economic ruin than what has been done to Ukraine by its western friends. The currency has fallen off a cliff, averaging 7.29 to the U.S. dollar between 2002 and 2015, spiking to a record low value of 33.5 to the dollar in February of 2015 and currently at a ruinous 20.44. Whoever wrote the summary apparently wanted to camouflage the moment of disaster by averaging the value of the hryvnia from 2002 to 2015, because the value declined steadily throughout 2014 and can be traced almost to the minute to the Euromaidan demonstrations, accelerating to a screaming power dive after they turned violent and cratering with the collapse of the Debaltseve cauldron. The stock market has fallen to a quarter of its value in 2008. The most recent GDP Growth Rate is a contraction of 3.8% in the final quarter of 2014 – certainly worsening since then – and annually is a jaw-dropping contraction of 17.6%. Helpfully – I meant that sarcastically – the official unemployment rate has soared to 9.7% over 2013's low of 7.6%, and has been over 9% since the beginning of 2014, while inflation has bulleted its way up to 60.9%. All these are figures the state statistics service will admit to. Meanwhile, its hapless government merrily enacts a debt moratorium, authorizing itself to put a hold on payments to its creditors, even as it doubles "defense spending".

Anyway, on to the sometimes comical dynamics of the European gas business. I think my favourite is the smirking strut executed by various countries as they claim to be "weaning themselves off of Russian gas" by importing gas from some other European country that is a net importer of Russian gas. Like Poland, for example. Kiev was quite proud of itself when, in 2012, it reduced its imports of Russian gas by taking delivery of gas from RWE in Poland on a trial basis. These imports continued into 2013 – a year in which Poland (which is also "weaning itself off of Russian gas") took 60% of its gas from Russia. They've wised up now, though, and plan to import significantly more gas from Germany…which gets 38% of its gas from Russia. Oh, and they're building an LNG terminal into which they plan to import LNG from Qatar via tankers. More expensive than pipeline gas, of course, which is just good economics by European standards, but at least they can fly a Polish flag on the LNG terminal. You just can't put a price on national pride, can you? And they'll be able – in their dreams – to say goodbye to gas imports someday from that evil undemocratic Stalin dictatorship of Russia in favour of freedom gas from the smiling Qataris, ruled through a constitutional monarchy in which the Emir exercises absolute power and whose heirs come from the male branch of the al-Thani family.

Meanwhile, Ukraine itself remains the fifth-heaviest consumer of natural gas in Europe, at some 55 BCm annually. Mind you, it should realize significant savings in consumption by the almost-complete loss of its heavy industry sector, most of which is in the east – every cloud has a silver lining, what? But Ukraine's domestic production peaked at 68 BCm forty years back, has been in decline since then and now amounts to about 20 BCm – less than half its current consumption. So in order for Ukraine to wean itself off of Russian gas, it is going to have to either cut its consumption in half or buy reverse-flowed gas from other European countries – using mostly handout money, since it is going to lose $3 Billion off the top of its GDP which is currently contracting at a rate of more than 17% per year. Put that way, it doesn't sound too hopeful, does it? Mind you, the EU is doing its bit to help by insisting on reforms which have doubled the price of gas for household use, even as the currency has shrunk to about a third of its previous value.

kirill , June 1, 2015 at 7:05 pm

Good article. It is peculiar how the 17.6% year on year GDP drop in Ukraine is mentioned as a ho-hum statistic without any context. The US GDP contracted 25% during the Great Depression. In any given year of that depression it did not drop almost 18%. Also, in the case of Ukraine, it has already underwent a Great Depression worse than the original during the 1990s and has *not* fully recovered. So we are looking at an epic economic contraction since 1990. This is a big story and yet there is no spotlight on it whatsoever. Instead we have those retarded "forecasts" from Moody's, the World Bank, the IMF, and other western agencies which are pure political fluff.

On another forum a well informed poster was confused by what year on year meant. As you correctly note in your article it is basically a measure of the relative change in the GDP after one year. The only way Ukraine's GDP could hit those western "forecasts" in 2015 would be if it had a surge of growth in the second half of the year. This ain't gonna happen. In fact the decline will continue into the second quarter and the rate of decline will decline in the second half due to the fact that it is compared to the second half of 2014 which was already in full bore recession. The first quarter of 2015 dropped almost 7% compared to the fourth quarter of 2014. I expect there to be quarter to quarter drops in Ukraine's GDP during all of 2015. This translates into a GDP drop in 2015 of between 20% and 30% depending on how rapidly the collapse slows later this year.

As for the EU and its racist, delusional hate aimed at Russia. It will reap what it has sown. For some reason some analysts think that if Iran is allowed to ship gas to the EU this will undermine Russia. They are missing the mark. Russia will be happy to have the EU supplied with its gas from the Middle East. Everyone with a clue will see the implications. Russia's own production will decline in the long run as is inevitable and Russia has now the access to the huge Chinese market at a reasonable price. The stooges in Brussels will be remembering the good old days of Russian supply.

[Jun 01, 2015] Kiev Big Lie on Ending Donbas Conflict in Two Weeks

Jan 13, 2015 | veteranstoday.com

Washington runs things in Ukraine. It newest colony. Kiev's illegitimate puppet government serves its interests. Ruthlessly exploiting its people in the process. America wants unchallenged control over Ukraine's entire land mass. As a dagger pointed at Russia's heart.

Ukraine is a pretext. Regime change in Russia the objective. Gaining another US colony. Eliminating a major rival. Stealing its vast resources. Exploiting its people. Turning them into serfs. Isolating China. Repeating the process against Beijing. Transforming nations into a ruler/serf societies. More unfit to live in than ever. Coups, assassinations, false flags and permanent wars its tactics of choice.

No nation in world history reflects more pure evil than America. Wrapped in the American flag. People manipulated to believe destructive US policies benefit them. Governments lie about everything. Media scoundrels repeat Big Lies like gospel. No one can possibly understand world events by watching mainstream television. BBC is as bad as Fox News. Owned and operated by Britain's government. Its propaganda bullhorn. So-called US public radio and broadcasting are government and corporate controlled. Qatar's despotic monarchy runs Al Jazeera. The New York Times and other major publications are instruments of state propaganda.

Try finding a single MSM report explaining Ukraine's coup. Instituted by Washington. Ousting a democratic government. Replacing it with illegitimate fascist thugs. Systematically destroying human and civil rights. Eliminating opposition elements. Prohibiting a free press. Instituting total control over all information disseminated. Attacking independent journalists. Shutting down Russian language print and electronic media. Calling them "security threats." In bed with Western financial interests. At the expense of their own people. At war with them in Donbas. Dirty war. Without mercy. Using chemical and other illegal weapons. Conflict continues daily despite illegitimate/oligarch president Petro Poroshenko's "regime of silence." More on this below.

On January 12, he lied. Saying war in Donbas will be over in two weeks. Ending it requires "simply fulfill(ing) the Minsk agreements signed in September." Like Hitler declaring peace in Europe before launching WW II.

Fact check

Last April, Washington, EU nations, Russia and Ukraine agreed to end violence. Deescalate tensions. Restore peace and stability. Kiev violated the four-party agreement straightaway. Escalated war. Blamed it irresponsibly on Donbas freedom fighters.

On September 5, Kiev agreed to Minsk protocol provisions. Plus additional ones in a follow-up September 19 memorandum. Calling for ending hostilities. Banning all offensive operations. Withdrawing Kiev troops and foreign mercenaries from conflict areas. Dialoguing for peace, security and stability.

Fighting never stopped. Shelling continues. Including throughout the holiday period. Into January. Kiev bears full responsibility for naked aggression. Since last April. With Washington's full support and encouragement. Kiev agreements aren't worth the paper they're written on. According to Donetsk People's Republic (DRP) deputy legislative speaker Denis Pushlin:

Poroshenko's posturing "is pure bluff…He controls nothing in Donbas. Ukraine does not fulfill the Minsk agreements, and this is a fact." "What we are talking about? We see that they are shelling our settlements. Commanders of Ukrainian battalions openly say they are not obeying Poroshenko's orders."

"How can he fulfill the Minsk agreements then? How can he be so definite about these two weeks?"

He's a serial liar. Notoriously saying one thing. Doing another. Taking orders from Washington. Wanting Donbas democracy entirely crushed. Fascist rule replacing it. What area freedom fighters won't tolerate. Nor should anyone. On Monday, the Kiev Post headlined "Ukraine seals off roads to Donbas as fighting escalates."

DPR leader Oleksandr Zakharchenko was quoted saying: "Honestly speaking I'm tired of all these negotiations. People who don't keep their words…well, I don't know." ... "We are ready for any talks. But in case it would be impossible to solve the conflict peacefully, we are ready to fight."

Kiev intends greater conflict ahead. Stop NATO reported increased Ukraine military spending. During economic crisis conditions. Potential bankruptcy. Ukraine unable to operate without significant financial aid. It plans increasing its armed forces this year. To 250,000. "(A)s well as six mechanized brigades, a mountain infantry regiment, three artillery brigades and two army brigades," said Stop NATO. Why when Ukraine's only enemies are ones it invents. Its own Donbas citizens.

Russia despite Moscow's all-out efforts for responsible dialogue. Diplomacy. Peaceful conflict resolution. Strict observance of international law. Washington systematically spurns it. So does Ukraine. Stop NATO's Rick Rozoff expressed justifiable concern. Something has to give. East/West confrontation assures trouble. Possible "nuclear war," he warned. On Monday, the reliable Vineyard of the Saker web site headlined "Je suis Ukraine. I fight terror. Yats (Yatsenyuk) is Charlie." Ukraine's "junta…dramatically stepped up shelling of Novorossiya (its Donetsk and Lugansk territories). "(T)ypical terror strikes…randomly aimed at the civilian sectors…(Most) worrisome…is confirmation by Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov that (Moscow has) intelligence showing (Kiev plans) a full scale assault…"

On the one hand, extending peace overtures. On the other, intending escalated conflict. Blaming its aggression on Donbas victims. US and rogue NATO partners echo its Big Lies. Media scoundrels repeat them. When anything about Ukraine is reported.

Propaganda substitutes for hard truths. Readers and viewers are systematically lied to. MSM scoundrels are a machine for the manufacture of Big Lies. It bears repeating. Ignore them. Nothing they report should be believed. Voice of Sevastopol (VoS) is a reliable source of Ukrainian news and information. Kiev's "so-called silent mode (was) accompanied by heavy artillery shelling of settlements of Donbas and active hostilities," it reported. Kiev junta attacks continue. Much like summer fighting. Ignored by media scoundrels. Kiev murdering civilians doesn't matter. Or destroying their homes and other property. Or causing hundreds of thousands to flee for their lives.Seeking safe havens. Many finding them in Russia. An oasis of stability amidst neighboring hostility.

One of last year's key Maidan demands was ending corruption. Today it's greatly increased, said VoS. "Almost 80% of Ukrainians (say) over the last year…corruption became more spacious."

On Monday, German, French, Russian and Ukrainian foreign ministers met in Berlin. The so-called Normandy Quartet. Established last June. In Normandy, France. Seeking solutions to Ukrainian crisis conditions. Monday's talks resolved nothing. Nor will future ones. Kiev deplores peace. Washington won't tolerate it. Conflict wasn't initiated to resolve things diplomatically. Fascist regimes don't operate this way.

Sergey Lavrov said "the political process can be successful only when you start a direct dialogue, in this case between the representatives of the Ukrainian government and the proclaimed DPR and LPR, and they should feel fully involved in the political process as equal partners." Nothing remotely close to this exists. Nor will it ahead. Washington rules apply. Kiev intends crushing Donbas resistance. Wants despotism replacing democracy. Wants human and civil rights eliminated altogether.

Its dirty war without end continues. Ceasefire is pure fantasy. None whatever exists. Nor will Kiev tolerate one. Short of unconditional surrender. What Donbas freedom fighters won't ever agree to. Nor should they. Freedom is too precious to sacrifice. Kiev blocked seven entry corridors to Donbas. A DPR Foreign Ministry statement accused it of violating fundamental free movement rights. "Additional restrictions…will only exacerbate the catastrophic humanitarian situation that our people have faced," it said.

Kiev wants Donbas residents isolated. Starved to death. Total MSM silence on what demands headlines. Since April, Kiev committed continued high crimes against peace. They remain ongoing daily. Vauro Senesi is an Italian journalist. On January 1, he headlined "Non è possibile non scorgere un disegno pianificato di pulizia etnica." Senesi toured Lugansk. Impossible not to see ongoing ethnic cleansing, he said. Kiev-instituted slow-motion genocide. Targeting defenseless civilians. "(T)he local population, is being, on a daily basis, killed by battalions of the extreme right in the service of the puppet state of Kiev," said Senesi. "All this in the most absolute silence of the Italian (and other Western) media." "(F)ollowing the United States in this mad rush to the abyss against Russia." Donbas conditions are deplorable. A shell-caused breach in one apartment building reflects similar damage throughout the area. It's "so big you can see the other side of the building. (A) wall burned by fire…A mother lived there with her three kids." "There's nothing left of her or her children. The explosion blew everything to bits." "Grief, pain, fear – maybe all her emotions have been burned, reduced into rubble like the city she continues to live in."

Pre-war, the area had 25,000 residents. Less than 8,000 remain. Most others fled to Russia. Where else could they be safe? "There is no electricity, no running water. The power plants, the water treatment plants, all destroyed by the bombardment," said Senisi. Artillery fire is constant. Senesi quoted a young man named Roman. Fighting for Donbas freedom. Unsure how much longer war will last. "We want peace," he said. "(B)ut on our bit of land." "Becoming part of Ukraine again is no longer a possibility. The Army of Ukraine has fired on its own people." "There's nothing for us but to resist to the end. Against the Nazis" representing Kiev. "They have swastikas on their uniforms. How is it possible that Europe supports them?" And America. "No Pasaran," said Roman! With raised fist. The salute of Spanish Civil War republicans. Committed to continue fighting.

Senisi went from Lugansk to Stakanov, Pervomaisk and other areas. Everywhere he went he saw "schools, hospitals, factories, power plants, water pumping stations, all destroyed." "(S)corched earth," he said. Wanting an entire population eliminated. By slaughter or ethnic cleansing. Few people remain in Novosveltovka, he said. An old man took refuge in a basement. For days in the dark without food or water. Hungry dogs are dangerous. They attack people like beasts. Ukraine is Obama's war. LIke ongoing Afghan conflict without end. Iraq war III.

Libya. Syria. Yemen. Somalia. Partnered with Israel against Palestine. Homeland wars against Blacks, Muslims and other targeted Americans. Wars without mercy. Permanent ones. Continued mass slaughter and destruction. It bears repeating. No nation in world history reflects more pure evil than America. No time more perilous than now. More urgent than ever for resistance. World peace hangs in the balance.

Stephen Lendman is a writer, syndicated columnist, activist, News TV personality, and radio show host.He currently writes for MoneyNewsNow.com and VeteransToday.com and hosts, since 2007, a progressive radio show at The Progressive Radio News Hour on The Progressive Radio Network.

Stephen Lendman was born in 1934 in Boston, MA, raised in a modest middle income family, attended public schools, received a Harvard BA in 1956 and a Wharton MBA in 1960. After six years as a marketing research analyst, Lendman became part of a new small family business in 1967, remaining there until retiring in 1999.

Since then, he has devoted his time to progressive causes, extensive reading, and since summer 2005 writing on vital world and national topics, including war and peace, American imperialism, corporate dominance, political persecutions, and a range of other social, economic and political issues.

He is also author of the celebrated books "Banker Occupation: Waging Financial War on Humanity" and "How Wall Street Fleeces America: Privatized Banking, Government Collusion and Class War".

[May 31, 2015]Why the US is Finally Talking to Russia

May 31, 2015 | Sputnik International
So a woman walks into a room… That's how quite a few jokes usually start. In our case, self-appointed Queen of Nulandistan Victoria "F**k the EU" walks into a room in Moscow to talk to Russian deputy foreign ministers Sergei Ryabkov and Grigory Karasin.

A joke? Oh no; that really happened. Why?

Let's start with the official reactions. Karasin qualified the talks as "fruitful", while stressing Moscow does not approve of Washington becoming part of the Normandy-style (Russia, Ukraine, Germany and France) negotiations on Ukraine. Not after the relentless demonization not only of the Kremlin but also of Russia as a whole since the Maidan coup.

Ryabkov, for his part, made it known the current state of the US-Russia relationship remains, well, corrosive.

It's crucial to remember the Queen of Nulandistan went to Moscow only after meeting with certified Washington vassal President Poroshenko and her own, hand-picked Prime Minister, "Yats"; and that was before accompanying Secretary of State John Kerry on the full regalia State Department trip to Sochi on May 12.

The Minsk-2 agreement – the actual product of the Normandy-style negotiations – directly involved Berlin and Paris, who finally saw the realpolitik on the wall and were compelled to divert from Washington's monomaniac antagonistic approach.

Inside the EU, chaos remains on the key subject of sanctions. The Baltics and Poland toe the "Russians are coming!" Cold War 2.0 hysteria line, while the adults in Brussels are represented by Italy, Greece, Spain and Hungary.

So Germany and France are already in deep trouble keeping the messy EU house in order. At the same time Berlin and Paris know nothing the self-described "Don't Do Stupid Stuff" Obama administration pulls off will mollify Moscow to abandon its precise red lines.

Watch Those Red Lines

It's crucial to notice that Crimea does not seem to be on the table anymore; it's a fait accompli. But then there are those U.S. "military trainers" who have been deployed to western Ukraine only for a "six-month mission" (historical reminder; this is how the Vietnam war started). For Moscow, expansion of this "mission" is an absolute red line.

And then there's the ultimate red line; NATO expansion, which remains unabated in the Baltics, Poland, Romania and Bulgaria. That won't stop; it's part of NATO's obsession in solidifying a new Iron Curtain from the Baltics to the Black Sea.

Thus, beyond all the talking, the next step to watch is whether the Obama administration will really refrain from weaponizing Kiev.

Ukraine for all practical purposes is now a massively indebted failed state turned into an IMF colony. The EU does not want it – although NATO does. For Moscow, the – ghastly – show will only be over when Ukraine, with or without the people's republics of Donetsk and Lugansk, is neutral, and not part of a NATO strategic threat.

I have examined here the possibility that the Obama administration's strategic shift towards talking instead of cursing/threatening may signify that the real Masters of the Universe have finally understood the emerging New (Silk) World Order is bound to leave them behind.

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Strategy? What Strategy?

The Dr. Zbig "Grand Chessboard" Brzezinski-style strategy has always been to lure Russia into another Afghanistan in Ukraine, leading to a collapse of the Russian economy with the Big Prize being a Western takeover of Russia's oil and natural gas wealth, and by extension Central Asia's. Ukrainians would be used as cannon fodder, as were Afghans since the 1980s Arab-Afghan jihad.

Yet the Obama administration overplayed its hand, and realpolitik now spells out the deepening of the Russia-China strategic partnership across the entire Eurasian land mass; Eurasia as a prospective, massive commercial emporium stretching from Beijing to Berlin, or from Shanghai to St. Petersburg and beyond towards Rotterdam and Duisburg.

Without the exceptionalist obsession of some key Beltway factions, none of the elements of Cold War 2.0 would be in play, as Russia is a natural ally of the US in many fronts. That in itself reveals the state of "strategic thinking" by the current US administration.

Moscow, anyway, won't be caught off-guard by the current, barely disguised, charm offensive, because Russian intelligence knows that may well veil a "Grand Chessboard"-style tactic of two steps back to regroup for a massive advance later.

Moreover, nothing has basically changed other than the original, dissuasive Cold War era MAD – Mutually Assured Destruction – doctrine being over.

The US still retains PGS (Prompt Global Strike) capability. Ukraine is just a detail. The real game-changer will happen when Russia is able to seal its whole territory, via the S-500s, against PGS. That will happen sooner than anyone thinks. And that's why the real Masters of the Universe – via their emissaries – feel compelled to talk.

The views expressed in this article are solely those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official position of Sputnik.

See also

Western Isolation of Moscow Helps Putin, Opens New Opportunities for Russia

[May 29, 2015] Michael Klare Delusional Thinking in Washington, The Desperate Plight of a Declining Superpower naked capitalism

May 29, 2015 | nakedcapitalism.com

By Michael T. Klare, a professor of peace and world security studies at Hampshire College and the author, most recently, of The Race for What's Left. A documentary movie version of his book Blood and Oil is available from the Media Education Foundation. Follow him on Twitter at @mklare1. Originally published at TomDispatch

Take a look around the world and it's hard not to conclude that the United States is a superpower in decline. Whether in Europe, Asia, or the Middle East, aspiring powers are flexing their muscles, ignoring Washington's dictates, or actively combating them. Russia refuses to curtail its support for armed separatists in Ukraine; China refuses to abandon its base-building endeavors in the South China Sea; Saudi Arabia refuses to endorse the U.S.-brokered nuclear deal with Iran; the Islamic State movement (ISIS) refuses to capitulate in the face of U.S. airpower. What is a declining superpower supposed to do in the face of such defiance?

This is no small matter. For decades, being a superpower has been the defining characteristic of American identity. The embrace of global supremacy began after World War II when the United States assumed responsibility for resisting Soviet expansionism around the world; it persisted through the Cold War era and only grew after the implosion of the Soviet Union, when the U.S. assumed sole responsibility for combating a whole new array of international threats. As General Colin Powell famously exclaimed in the final days of the Soviet era, "We have to put a shingle outside our door saying, 'Superpower Lives Here,' no matter what the Soviets do, even if they evacuate from Eastern Europe."

Imperial Overstretch Hits Washington

Strategically, in the Cold War years, Washington's power brokers assumed that there would always be two superpowers perpetually battling for world dominance. In the wake of the utterly unexpected Soviet collapse, American strategists began to envision a world of just one, of a "sole superpower" (aka Rome on the Potomac). In line with this new outlook, the administration of George H.W. Bush soon adopted a long-range plan intended to preserve that status indefinitely. Known as the Defense Planning Guidance for Fiscal Years 1994-99, it declared: "Our first objective is to prevent the re-emergence of a new rival, either on the territory of the former Soviet Union or elsewhere, that poses a threat on the order of that posed formerly by the Soviet Union."

H.W.'s son, then the governor of Texas, articulated a similar vision of a globally encompassing Pax Americana when campaigning for president in 1999. If elected, he told military cadets at the Citadel in Charleston, his top goal would be

"to take advantage of a tremendous opportunity - given few nations in history - to extend the current peace into the far realm of the future. A chance to project America's peaceful influence not just across the world, but across the years."

For Bush, of course, "extending the peace" would turn out to mean invading Iraq and igniting a devastating regional conflagration that only continues to grow and spread to this day. Even after it began, he did not doubt - nor (despite the reputed wisdom offered by hindsight) does he today - that this was the price that had to be paid for the U.S. to retain its vaunted status as the world's sole superpower.

The problem, as many mainstream observers now acknowledge, is that such a strategy aimed at perpetuating U.S. global supremacy at all costs was always destined to result in what Yale historian Paul Kennedy, in his classic book The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers, unforgettably termed "imperial overstretch." As he presciently wrote in that 1987 study, it would arise from a situation in which "the sum total of the United States' global interests and obligations is… far larger than the country's power to defend all of them simultaneously."

Indeed, Washington finds itself in exactly that dilemma today. What's curious, however, is just how quickly such overstretch engulfed a country that, barely a decade ago, was being hailed as the planet's first "hyperpower," a status even more exalted than superpower. But that was before George W.'s miscalculation in Iraq and other missteps left the U.S. to face a war-ravaged Middle East with an exhausted military and a depleted treasury. At the same time, major and regional powers like China, India, Russia, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey have been building up their economic and military capabilities and, recognizing the weakness that accompanies imperial overstretch, are beginning to challenge U.S. dominance in many areas of the globe. The Obama administration has been trying, in one fashion or another, to respond in all of those areas - among them Ukraine, Syria, Iraq, Yemen, and the South China Sea - but without, it turns out, the capacity to prevail in any of them.

Nonetheless, despite a range of setbacks, no one in Washington's power elite - Senators Rand Paul and Bernie Sanders being the exceptions that prove the rule - seems to have the slightest urge to abandon the role of sole superpower or even to back off it in any significant way. President Obama, who is clearly all too aware of the country's strategic limitations, has been typical in his unwillingness to retreat from such a supremacist vision. "The United States is and remains the one indispensable nation," he told graduating cadets at West Point in May 2014. "That has been true for the century past and it will be true for the century to come."

How, then, to reconcile the reality of superpower overreach and decline with an unbending commitment to global supremacy?

The first of two approaches to this conundrum in Washington might be thought of as a high-wire circus act. It involves the constant juggling of America's capabilities and commitments, with its limited resources (largely of a military nature) being rushed relatively fruitlessly from one place to another in response to unfolding crises, even as attempts are made to avoid yet more and deeper entanglements. This, in practice, has been the strategy pursued by the current administration. Call it the Obama Doctrine.

After concluding, for instance, that China had taken advantage of U.S. entanglement in Iraq and Afghanistan to advance its own strategic interests in Southeast Asia, Obama and his top advisers decided to downgrade the U.S. presence in the Middle East and free up resources for a more robust one in the western Pacific. Announcing this shift in 2011 - it would first be called a "pivot to Asia" and then a "rebalancing" there - the president made no secret of the juggling act involved.

"After a decade in which we fought two wars that cost us dearly, in blood and treasure, the United States is turning our attention to the vast potential of the Asia Pacific region," he told members of the Australian Parliament that November. "As we end today's wars, I have directed my national security team to make our presence and mission in the Asia Pacific a top priority. As a result, reductions in U.S. defense spending will not - I repeat, will not - come at the expense of the Asia Pacific."

Then, of course, the new Islamic State launched its offensive in Iraq in June 2014 and the American-trained army there collapsed with the loss of four northern cities. Videoed beheadings of American hostages followed, along with a looming threat to the U.S.-backed regime in Baghdad. Once again, President Obama found himself pivoting - this time sending thousands of U.S. military advisers back to that country, putting American air power into its skies, and laying the groundwork for another major conflict there.

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But however risky juggling may prove, it is not nearly as dangerous as the other strategic response to superpower decline in Washington: utter denial.

For those who adhere to this outlook, it's not America's global stature that's eroding, but its will - that is, its willingness to talk and act tough. If Washington were simply to speak more loudly, so this argument goes, and brandish bigger sticks, all these challenges would simply melt away. Of course, such an approach can only work if you're prepared to back up your threats with actual force, or "hard power," as some like to call it.

Among the most vocal of those touting this line is Senator John McCain, the chair of the Senate Armed Services Committee and a persistent critic of President Obama. "For five years, Americans have been told that 'the tide of war is receding,' that we can pull back from the world at little cost to our interests and values," he typically wrote in March 2014 in a New York Times op-ed. "This has fed a perception that the United States is weak, and to people like Mr. Putin, weakness is provocative." The only way to prevent aggressive behavior by Russia and other adversaries, he stated, is "to restore the credibility of the United States as a world leader." This means, among other things, arming the Ukrainians and anti-Assad Syrians, bolstering the NATO presence in Eastern Europe, combating "the larger strategic challenge that Iran poses," and playing a "more robust" role (think: more "boots" on more ground) in the war against ISIS.

Above all, of course, it means a willingness to employ military force. "When aggressive rulers or violent fanatics threaten our ideals, our interests, our allies, and us," he declared last November, "what ultimately makes the difference… is the capability, credibility, and global reach of American hard power."

A similar approach - in some cases even more bellicose - is being articulated by the bevy of Republican candidates now in the race for president, Rand Paul again excepted.

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However initially gratifying such a stance is likely to prove for John McCain and the growing body of war hawks in Congress, it will undoubtedly prove disastrous in practice. Anyone who believes that the clock can now be turned back to 2002, when U.S. strength was at its zenith and the Iraq invasion had not yet depleted American wealth and vigor, is undoubtedly suffering from delusional thinking. China is far more powerful than it was 13 years ago, Russia has largely recovered from its post-Cold War slump, Iran has replaced the U.S. as the dominant foreign actor in Iraq, and other powers have acquired significantly greater freedom of action in an unsettled world. Under these circumstances, aggressive muscle-flexing in Washington is likely to result only in calamity or humiliation.

Time to Stop Pretending

Back, then, to our original question: What is a declining superpower supposed to do in the face of this predicament?

Anywhere but in Washington, the obvious answer would for it to stop pretending to be what it's not. The first step in any 12-step imperial-overstretch recovery program would involve accepting the fact that American power is limited and global rule an impossible fantasy. Accepted as well would have to be this obvious reality: like it or not, the U.S. shares the planet with a coterie of other major powers - none as strong as we are, but none so weak as to be intimidated by the threat of U.S. military intervention. Having absorbed a more realistic assessment of American power, Washington would then have to focus on how exactly to cohabit with such powers - Russia, China, and Iran among them - and manage its differences with them without igniting yet more disastrous regional firestorms.

If strategic juggling and massive denial were not so embedded in the political life of this country's "war capital," this would not be an impossibly difficult strategy to pursue, as others have suggested. In 2010, for example, Christopher Layne of the George H.W. Bush School at Texas A&M argued in the American Conservative that the U.S. could no longer sustain its global superpower status and, "rather than having this adjustment forced upon it suddenly by a major crisis… should get ahead of the curve by shifting its position in a gradual, orderly fashion." Layne and others have spelled out what this might entail: fewer military entanglements abroad, a diminishing urge to garrison the planet, reduced military spending, greater reliance on allies, more funds to use at home in rebuilding the crumbling infrastructure of a divided society, and a diminished military footprint in the Middle East.

But for any of this to happen, American policymakers would first have to abandon the pretense that the United States remains the sole global superpower - and that may be too bitter a pill for the present American psyche (and for the political aspirations of certain Republican candidates) to swallow. From such denialism, it's already clear, will only come further ill-conceived military adventures abroad and, sooner or later, under far grimmer circumstances, an American reckoning with reality.


voxhumana, May 29, 2015 at 4:58 am

An interesting read. Would have been far better without the Democratic partisanship:

"Whatever her personal views, Hillary Clinton, the presumed Democratic candidate, will be forced to demonstrate her backbone by embracing similar positions."

forced?

"American policymakers would first have to abandon the pretense that the United States remains the sole global superpower - and that may be too bitter a pill for the present American psyche (and for the political aspirations of certain Republican candidates) to swallow."

oh, I see… only certain Republican candidates' political aspirations are premised on war and global hegemony but poor Hillary "we came, we saw, he died" Clinton will be "forced" to go along if she wants to be elected.

Klare makes many good points but suggesting that Hillary Clinton will be forced to be a war monger, forced to promote her well established neocon foreign policy bona fides, is absurd


Katniss Everdeen, May 29, 2015 at 6:36 am

My thoughts exactly.

And just as bogus as the knee-jerk, neanderthal "republicans bad, democrats good" grunting is the characterization of gwb's middle east policies as "missteps" and "miscalculations."

They knew exactly what they were doing and they knew how it would turn out. It made a few people tremendously wealthy, and justified the apparatus of population surveillance and control which is fast becoming necessary for maintaining the illusion that the us is anything more than a shadow of its former self.

weinerdog43, May 29, 2015 at 8:33 am

Seriously? Please show me exactly where 'republicans bad; democrats good' is located. The reason it looks bad if you are a republican partisan, is because most of the problem lies there. Yes, Obama has been a colossal disappointment, but he campaigned as a Liberal but has governed as a moderate/conservative republican.

To this day, over 60% of republicans think the Iraq war was a good thing. While I'll agree that the 'power elite' in Washington love them some war, to argue that democrats in the street think the same is grossly unfair.

lylo, May 29, 2015 at 10:54 am

I would object to the idea that he has governed as a Republican.
I mean, prior to the more recent Republican presidents, it wasn't that bad of a party: they didn't like to spend money on anything, represented small towns and business owners. Which went pretty well with the Democrats prior to our more recent crop: they liked to spend on the people and represented the more urban populations. See? This is a decent argument worth having. And the one that the "people on the street" represent, both sides.

Recent Republican presidents are neoconservatives–they love war and enriching the elite, preferring to represent big finance and corporations. Recent Democrat presidents are neoliberals–they love war and enriching the elite, preferring to represent big finance and corporations.

Unsurprisingly, Obama is a neoliberal. (BTW: it's all just code for fascist!)

You've roped yourself hard into the very paradigm that the guy was lamenting, and in a way, proved his point. You seem to imply that average democrats are so much less tribal and more enlightened, yet the majority of democrats polled support our actions in Libya.
You seem to think the problem is republicans, and it's not: it's fascism and blind party loyalty.


steviefinn, May 29, 2015 at 6:20 am

Not to mention that the US appears to be rotting from within in terms of debt, corruption etc, within a world where resources that supported an earlier lifestyle are becoming ever scarcer. I seem to remember that the decline of Rome was similar in some details with this, but at least you guys don't have millions of desperate Huns, Visigoths etc threatening your Northern border.

I remember at a pretty rough school I once attended how the long ruling school yard bully ended up being abandoned by his cohorts & losing his power. As was his habit he picked on a much smaller new kid who just happened to be a southpaw who also just happened to know how to deliver a single very effective liver punch.

Doug, May 29, 2015 at 6:40 am

Klare's assessment is correct that US super power delusions outstrip US resources (not to mention woefully ignorant yet arrogant office holders in both parties). However, he misses the mark in naming the counter parties with whom the US government must deal.

Finding a path forward has far more to do with reclaiming hegemony over the likes of Halliburton, JPMorganChase, ExxonMobil, Blackstone, and so on than it does with diplomacy etc respecting Russia, China, Iran and any number of other so-called nations that, in turn - like the US - are mere partners/puppets serving the corporations - the real superpowers in a world of 'free markets'.

Carla, May 29, 2015 at 6:57 am

Agreed. Wonder if you have read "National Security and Double Government" by Michael J. Glennon. Or for that matter, if Klare has.

MikeNY, May 29, 2015 at 7:03 am

It would mean accepting that "American Exceptionalism" is and always has been a fiction. We are neither humble nor wise enough to do that.

Jim Haygood, May 29, 2015 at 9:17 am

'No one in Washington's power elite seems to have the slightest urge to abandon the role of sole superpower or even to back off it in any significant way,' writes Klare.

Down the road, this means that the vast value-subtraction scheme of U.S. global supremacy will fold the same way the gold-backed dollar did in 1971: with an anticlimactic, out-of-the-blue weekend executive order announcing 'we're done with all that.'

To paraphrase Emperor Hirohito's surrender speech, 'the global supremacy situation has developed not necessarily to America's advantage, while the general trends of the world have all turned against her interests.'

Why do bad things happen to good superpowers?

Whine Country, May 29, 2015 at 10:20 am

"good superpowers"…add that to George Carlin's list of famous oxymorons. How about right next to "military intelligence"?

TedWa, May 29, 2015 at 12:11 pm

As soon as Obomba said that I had to laugh. If you have to tell everyone you're cool – as soon as you say it, you're not. If you have to tell everyone that you're the best at something, as soon as you say it, you're not. It's that moment of claiming in public what everyone knew in secret that makes it not true, and a good joke in the making. It's taking serious respect in private and turning it into something else (pride maybe) that's deserving of open ridicule.

American exceptionalism is a joke and Obomba's playing checkers. We're no different than anyone else in this world.

Nick, May 29, 2015 at 7:41 am

In the post-globalized world we now find ourselves in, the US may not be the supreme actor it once was, rather it will lead the world's democracies in a grand coalition – this is perhaps Obama's greatest legacy. It's particularly odd India is classified as an adversary, as they are not only the largest democracy on the planet, but a newly minted key US trade partner. Similarly, Saudi Arabia has finally grown up, after decades of reliance on the US for military protection; however they are still indisputable American allies.

Things can change very quickly, Syria is on the brink of collapse and an Iran deal is within sight. China's economy is fragile, while the US economy is stabilizing. Even given DC disorganization, this is much too pessimistic I'd say, the next few decades will see many unimagined positive developments for the US (forefront of renewable energy, breadbasket of the world, 3D printing revolution, resurgence of domestic space industry, energy independence, cutting edge drones and AI, to name but a few).

Ignim Brites, May 29, 2015 at 8:33 am

Leader of a grand coalition of the world's democracies is the essence of the neo-con vision of the US "universal" and indispensable role. Obama pays lip service to this idea but his intention is to destroy it and he is succeeding. It's all over now baby blue.

OIFVet, May 29, 2015 at 12:18 pm

"it will lead the world's democracies in a grand coalition – this is perhaps Obama's greatest legacy."

Step away from the blue pill, Nick. What "democracies" are these where the governments go against popular will to impose austerity, where corruption in the form of campaign fundraising and lobbying is legalized, and where the government of lesser members of the "grand coalition" get their marching orders from Washington, often against the best interest of the nation and the will of its people? Obama helped to expose the meaningless of the term, to a greater extent than even Bush did, because he managed to bring Bush's "Old Europe" to heel too – quite a legacy indeed. The less "freedom and democracy" there is the more and louder the US and its "allies" shout it from the mountaintops. It's a sham.

As for your second paragraph: wow! Some questions: For whom is "America's economy" stabilizing? How does one survive in this stabilized economy of crappy McJobs? Have you asked the considerable FF lobby about whether it will permit a move to the "forefront of renewable energy"? How do you square the imagined lead in renewables with the very real strategy of energy independence based on fossils, particularly fracked fossils? "Will America be the "breadbasket of the world" after Monsanto grabs Ukraine's chernozem or before? In either case, is it even possible to be the breadbasket given less water in California to water the Inland Empire? I can go on, the point is, your entire comment was a rah-rah USA!USA! cheer that relies on wishful thinking. And that's pretty much America's problem: cheerleading has replaced sober thinking. We have cheerleaders for politicians, cheerleader press, and cheerleader Nicks.

It's effing scary to the rest of us that the entire strategy seems to be wishful thinking firmly rooted in exceptionalism and delusions about what is freedom and democracy, with the latter having been reduced to a competition of who amongst corporate-sponsored candidates can offer more exceptionalism and promise to drop more bombs someplace we don't like so that General Dynamics can either increase its stock dividends or do some stock buy backs.

sleepy, May 29, 2015 at 1:29 pm

@hatti552

Since the drive for US global hegemony probably had more advocates among postwar dem internationalists–many of whom were New Deal holdovers–as it did among the traditionally isolationist repubs, I'm not sure if your neat little left/right dichotomy works.

In any case, aside from labeling, do you care to give any reasons for your support of US global hegemony? Do you think it's not working because Obama hasn't tried hard enough (basically the repub position) and you favor doubling down a'la McCain?

Jesper, May 29, 2015 at 8:58 am

My take is that if there had been a long-term strategy for the US good that its government was following/implementing then it is almost impossible to detect and decipher for people outside of the power-centers in DC. And if there is no long-term strategy, be it to keep the US as the sole superpower or to improve the lives of ordinary Americans, then the explanation must be something different.

Maybe another angle might help in describing the situation?

Is the US government (and the power-brokers in DC) acting to keep the US strong or to keep themselves (personally) powerful?

NotTimothyGeithner, May 29, 2015 at 10:36 am

The U.S. government needs a powerful figurehead/central authority to control the bureaucracy and to wrestle control, the Federalist papers made note of this even before the imperial presidency, but there hasn't been a powerful democrat since LBJ. Obama, Clinton, and Carter were right wing leaders of nominally lefty parties, and the result was they spent much of their Administrations browbeating their own party to maintain control or push their legislation instead of cleaning the Pentagon or Wall Street. Obama's ideas and personality don't control members of Congress. It's Wall Street money. If a popular Obama walked into a random state and ignored an incumbent Senator in favor of a challenger, the incumbent would never r have the money to overcome one soundbite which would be carried by the news as a free spectacle. The result is an open season for everyone else's pet project because no one can stop them and two they might get lost or fired when the next strong center arrives.

The U.S. government is responding to every mouth at the trough. Gore couldn't have invaded Iraq not because he wouldn't have but because he wouldn't have the political support from his own party to shutdown other pet projects to prepare the MIC and population for it. Dubya didn't fight his party back benchers until 2005. After he moved on SS, Dubya became irrelevant because he was no longer popular enough to be feared.

It's not just Goldman Sachs. It's everyone who works in Nuland's office. They don't want to be part of a failed program or a public embarrassment. Because Obama is weak, he can't move on obvious stains such as Nuland because she represents a supporter in DC. Without many of these clowns, he would be alone because he's lost much of his popularity, did nothing for down ticket races, and threatened many members into submission.

While a person is popular, they can walk in and tell the baron class how things will be or they won't be barons. If they align themselves with the barons, they cease to be popular and rely on the barons who more autonomy and options than the 99% and have to acquiesce. Not every baron has the exact same goal. If they get too uppity, the king will act, but they can get away with a great deal if the king irritates the masses because his strength comes from above not below. It's really that simple. If the Obots had made demands of Obama, every other article in print would be why can't he have a third term. Republican Presidential candidates would be terrified of his successor instead of racing to sign up supporters.

Ignoring the GOP and long term problems with Team Blue recruitment, much of the Obama mess goes tend his own standing goes back to his decision to be President on TV and rely on experts from the previous two administration's who had just been rejected. Hillary in '08 never discussed Bill's record because it would hurt her with her more ignorant supporters who projected onto Hillary.

DJG, May 29, 2015 at 9:14 am

The symptoms have been in evidence for a long time, and it isn't clear to me that we have reached the moment when collapse will happen or when even John McCain will recognize that something has gone wrong. McCain and Obama, being all tactics and no strategy, have yet to figure out that U.S. supply lines for the military and for our decadent corporations are way overstretched. Has either proposed closing a military base? Has either advised food purveyors to stop importing garlic (garlic!) from China?

Not even the evidence of continuing U.S. defeats–in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya–elicits an appropriate response from the elites. So they venture into Ukraine, the next failure.

Unlike Rome, though, I'd venture to say that the USA has chosen some particularly pernicious "allies," such as Israel, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and England (soon to be detached from Scotland). Each of these so-called allies is more than self-serving. The U.S. elites, though, rather than showing any skepticism, have been craven in dealing with the big four. Our relation to England seems to be to conduct their foreign policy and protect the illegality of the City of London in exchange for some nostalgia about Toad in a Hole.

hemeantwell, May 29, 2015 at 9:31 am

Klare, whose work over the years has been largely useful, is a lazy writer when it comes to the Cold War. To simplistically talk about it as "resisting Soviet expansionism around the world" ignores how US expansionism, aka imperialism, conditioned Soviet policy. As a professor of peace studies he must certainly be familiar with the substantial body of work by authors such as Williams, Alperovitz, Cohen and others who show that the US did nothing to allay Soviet security concerns and instead adopted an offensive posture that, to the Soviets, recommended ensuring friendly neighbors by whatever means necessary. What is disgusting about Klare now is that, by casually repeating formulaic ideological themes, he only adds to the ignorance regarding the current mess in the Ukraine, a mess that in my view basically reprises the late 1940s. Sure, he does talk about "sharing the planet with other powers," but he seems unwilling to say what that means. In that sense this professor of peace falls behind murderers like Kissinger, who has been critical of NATO efforts to turn the Ukraine into a launchpad on Russia's doorstep.

OIFVet, May 29, 2015 at 12:21 pm

+100

sufferin'succotash, May 29, 2015 at 9:40 am

HW Bush's pronouncement that "the American Way of Life is non-negotiable" around the time of the Gulf War more or less let the cat out of the bag.

Neocon delusions of grandeur aside, much of the US interventionism over the past several decades has been driven by the need to keep the Cheap Oil flowing in. That is, if one assumes that the AWL depends on cheap oil.

knowbuddhau, May 29, 2015 at 11:45 am

Thanks to the others who take Klare to task for lazy rhetorical shortcuts that only serve to further bury the truth of our times. I agree that we're in a period of imperial decline. But "missteps"?! "Miscalculations"?! The phrase you're looking for, professor, is "war crimes." Calling our wars of aggression by their true name is still a step too far, eh?

One measure of our hubris is the inability of "serious" and "respectable" critics to openly proclaim that we've been serial war criminals since the days of the Indian Wars. Our continental empire was built by making treaties at gun point, without much intent to honor them, as a means to grab the land. (ISTM General Sherman made remarks to that effect, but I can't find the quote.) Our global empire hasn't been much different.

I suppose Indian Removal and wiping out the buffalo, and the continuing efforts to undermine tribal sovereignty today, were, and are, likewise "missteps" and "miscalculations" we can somehow blame on Republicans exclusively.

NotTimothyGeithner, May 29, 2015 at 12:53 pm

I think you may be thinking of Grant not Sherman, but both would be denounced by Team Blue as pinko commies. One of Grant's SOTU's included a call for universal, public education and not one dollar for sectarian schools. The charter movement would be appalled.

Amazingly enough, Grant and Sherman are oozing intelligent sound bites which proves the modern Democrats don't have a messaging problem as much as a message problem.

OIFVet, May 29, 2015 at 12:27 pm

I suppose Indian Removal and wiping out the buffalo, and the continuing efforts to undermine tribal sovereignty today, were, and are, likewise "missteps" and "miscalculations" we can somehow blame on Republicans exclusively

Of course not! Stalin! Golodomor! Outside enemies and justifications are the norm, it's just that from time to time we have to engage in intramural squabbling just to perpetuate the myth that there is a qualitative difference between the two wings of the Corporate Party and thus we have a democracy with a real choice of parties and ideas.

Code Name D, May 29, 2015 at 1:35 pm

One who makes no mistakes is incapable of learning from them.

Steven, May 29, 2015 at 1:54 pm

(I can't seem to manage a concise response to Naked Capitalism's postings. What follows is just the last couple of paragraphs of what I hope will be a (mercifully) short posting on OpEdNews.)

Klare needs to take that last step. It isn't about 'peak oil' or 'peak everything' so much as 'peak debt' or 'peak money', i.e. a world awash in money and in mad pursuit of ever more of it. There are indeed physical limits. But with a little luck the world (of humans) may still have the resources to right-size itself to fit within them. However that won't happen until the greed of the world's plutocracy and the ambitions of their psychopathic servants in the political class are controlled.

80 years ago the Nobel Prize winning chemist explained where oil DOES come into the picture:

Though it was not understood a century ago, and though as yet the applications of the knowledge to the economics of life are not generally realised, life in its physical aspect is fundamentally a struggle for energy, …

Soddy, Frederick M.A., F.R.S.. Wealth, Virtual Wealth and Debt (Kindle Locations 1089-1091). Distributed Proofreaders Canada.

The 'backing' for the petrodollar now includes the monetized value of Chinese and third world labor and natural resources as well as OPEC oil. But controlling the outcome of life's "struggle for energy" is still the crumbling cornerstone of both US foreign and domestic economic policies:

• control the world's access to energy and it has no choice but submitting to the hegemon's will

• the U.S. political system is now owned lock, stock and barrel by a financial / military industrial / fossil fuels complex (am I forgetting anybody?). The powers that be are trying to preserve the existing status quo by insuring that life remains a "struggle for energy".

The denizens of Wall Street and Washington can perhaps be forgiven for believing they were the "masters of the universe" at the conclusion of WWII. What they can NOT be forgiven is their belief – then or now – is that "the end of history" had arrived (unless they cause it).

fresno dan, May 29, 2015 at 1:54 pm

I don't know if I buy the premise that the US was ever as powerful as it proclaims itself to be. I remember when guys in black pajamas, with no navy or air force defeated the "most powerful nation on earth"

Fifty years later, when the US is supposedly the "Sole superpower" on earth, a bunch of guys with no air force or navy defeated us in Afghanistan….

I will concede we did no "lose" in Iraq….although I will NOT concede that we won either…
and I will say we won unequivocally in Grenada.

Am I seeing a pattern?

sleepy, May 29, 2015 at 2:32 pm

At least in Vietnam, it was the policy that lost. As far as I recall, the military won every battle.

I think the same can be said, more or less, about Iraq and Afghanistan. It's difficult for the military to sustain and fulfill stupid policy.

They all show the limits of military force in the pursuit of idiocy. Garbage in, garbage out.

If the US wants to hang on to some sort of international influence, it needs to hone up on its diplomatic skills and downplay its sabre-rattling.

NotTimothyGeithner, May 29, 2015 at 3:12 pm

The military won every battle based on our count. Cornwallis won every battle against continentals, but he was forced to flee because he couldn't supply his army without splitting it and letting his baggage train and foraging parties come under fire. The whole we won every battle mantra is propaganda to avoid holding many of the generals and the MIC accountable for their lies and mistakes. When a platoon was massacred on patrol, it wasn't a "battle." I guess there was no honor in shooting guys in the back unlike say a drone strike. When the military was in a position to launch a massive aerial counter attack, then we won and temporarily planted a flag while the position grew weaker. But hey we won the battle. Did we have a great record without the air power which limited how the various enemies could move troops?

Air power made battles impossible in many ways. The Tet Offensive was everywhere all at once which means there were no reserves or occupation forces ready. The goal was to spur uprisings and force the Americans to redeploy which is what happened, and the costs of defending urban areas skyrocketed as the Vietcong and North Vietnamese forced the U.S. and it's puppets out of the country side. Oh sure, the enemy was forced to flee the cities they attacked, but they didn't bring the forces needed to occupy or destroy the U.S. and South Vietnam forces. Did we win that battle? No, they were completely unprepared for a multi-city assault. It was beneath the notice of the Pentagon brass, so they cooked up an excuse to call it a win.

sleepy, May 29, 2015 at 3:48 pm

So, we just need to beef up our military, retrain the troops, have smarter generals, and our empire can continue on into the indefinite future, policy be damned!

The US public ultimately saw Vietnam as a complete policy failure preserving a corrupt local government, and the US withdrew. There was no Dien Bien Phu. Domestic opposition forced the US out.

As soon-to-be-disciplined General Shinseki said to Congress prior to the invasion of Iraq, that the Iraqis would not welcome us with flowers and it would take 500,000 troops to occupy the nation for years for the policy to be successful.

susan the other, May 29, 2015 at 2:46 pm

If the TPP is just an attempt to make the ASEAN countries militaristic enough to give us some breathing room, then that's pretty interesting. They can come together under the TPP umbrella and form a quiet military coalition to relieve the world's only superpower. Think of us as a senile superpower. John Foster Dulles wanted the ASEAN countries to all have the bomb. Why should we be the only bomb droppers? The only totally absurd country. The greater question has evolved finally. Why can't we all function rationally? And with a dedication to the environment.

I've been wondering how we were going to pay Russia for helping us thru this mess. Crimea was one payment. But Russia has given us much more than we have given her, so other payments might include some of our bases around the world. A great gift to an almost superpower. And an agreement that we will only bluster about China's islands in the South China Sea but we won't really do anything. Bluster is how you wind down from being a super killer because you got too old and fat.

[May 28, 2015]Moscow's account of Nato expansion is a case of false memory syndrome

May 24, 2015 | The Guardian

VladimirM 27 May 2015 09:39

It's all water under the bridge now whether assurances were made or not. Nato expanded, Russia saw the threat in it and we have arrived to where we are now.

If this bitter experience is anything to go by, Nato would better stop where it is at the moment and not 'invite' new members, such as Moldova, Georgia and Ukraine.

From the military point of view, and what well known events have proven, both Georgian and Ukrainian armies (do not know about Moldova) do not meet and unlikely will soon meet requirements needed, from the financial point of view neither Europe nor those countries can afford full-scale refurbishment of their military capabilities. Is it worth pushing any further?

Cooperation implies communication and dialogue and listening to each other, it's about time, I believe.

Alexander S -> Botswana61 27 May 2015 08:49

Can you explain it?

How come Russia is the second destination country in the World after the US? How about you get the facts straight before commenting?

Alexander S -> Botswana61 27 May 2015 08:39

wasn't it pres. Putin who has recently changed Moscow's military doctrine…

You're wrong. It was Medvedev in 2010. "Prevention of a nuclear conflict, as well as any other military conflict is the most important task of the Russian Federation".

"Russia reserves the right to use nuclear weapons in response to the use of nuclear and other types of weapons of mass destruction against it or its allies, and also in case of aggression against Russia with the use of conventional weapons when the very existence of the state is threatened".

Alexander S -> Botswana61 27 May 2015 08:11

cannot be held responsible for its deeds

I perfectly understand Russians. You see I've inherited all the property and debts of my grandad. I've paid all his liabilities existed. I continue to execute his contracts. But don't you dare to make me responsible for what that old hag says he did to her in college! I AM his successor but I'm not responsible for his deeds. Period.

assets a little east of the Urals … not being formally in Europe anymore

That's exactly what the Treaty says. Anyway it doesn't matter anymore as Russia completely halted its participation in the Treaty.

Iran has also signed the Non-Proliferation Treaty. And?

And the US of A do anything it can to encumber Iran's peaceful nuclear program.

Alexander S -> Botswana61 27 May 2015 05:28

Ukraine never had any nuclear arsenal at the first place, USSR did. The Russian Federation is one and only USSR's successor state. Ukraine was pushed by Russia and US to give back or destroy any nuclear weapon happened to be on its soil after the fall of the Soviet Union.

And yeah, Ukraine has given up any rights to have a nuclear arsenal by signing the Non-Proliferation Treaty not the "Budapest Memorandum" as some imply.

Czechlander 26 May 2015 23:47

None of this chatter matters; let those that clamor for NATO enjoy their imagined security. Of course, by joining NATO, a country like Estonia is at a risk from all NATO potential enemies. Not a wise choice. But never mind. The greatest danger to us all are the risks associated with the undeniable fact that huge swathes of Russia are under foreign occupation because of Bolshevik treason of the Russian people. Let's face it, only Russia was made smaller and weaker within the framework of the Soviet Union by the egregious Bolsheviks; it's easy to figure out how much Bolsheviks "loved" the Russian nation.

The Russian people resident in the territories fraudulently taken away from Russia have full rights to do anything to change the illegal status quo and return to Russia's bosom. One doesn't have to be an oracle to see that Ukraine is going down the drain, what with all the fascists in its government, the failed economy, the exodus of its young to Russia and the EU, and so on. When the people in the Russian regions under illegal occupation become fed up with their bleak lot within the chauvinist Ukraine, and a standard of living akin to that of the Indian unclean caste, they will be in position to simply and easily say Good Bye to it. There won't be anybody around to take on the unenviable task of stopping them. Nothing I or anyone else says about it here is going to alter one iota of this geopolitically inevitable future.

AnimalFarm2 26 May 2015 23:08

What utter rubbish! Guardian was once respected. The author has done very little homework!

U.S. Secretary of State James Baker told Gorbachev on February 8, 1990 that "NATO's jurisdiction will not shift one inch eastward."

The next day, German Chancellor, Helmut Kohl told Gorbachev that "naturally NATO could not expand its territory" into East Germany.

On the same day Germany's Minister for Foreign Affairs Hans-Dietrich Genscher said the following to Soviet Foreign Minister Eduard Shevardnadze: "For us, it stands firm: NATO will not expand to the East."

On this basis the whole article is codswallop!

The author should retract and apologise!

MysticMegsy -> Ivan Daraktchiev 26 May 2015 21:46

"With the collapse of Soviet Union NATO's raison d'être disappeared and it should have disbanded itself exactly the way the Warsaw Pact did"

Fair point, can't argue with that. Your user name had me worried at first, but you seem to be a rational thinker.

"Instead, it continues to serve as a vehicle for conducting USA's proxy wars, each part of its 70 years long bellicose campaign for the immense Russian resources."

Hmmm, are you sure? and which proxy wars (relating specifically to Russian resources) might those be? I could list dozens, but none to do with Russian sovereign territory. In fact most proxy wars I can think of were backed by the US and USSR on opposing sides.

"There's nothing to discuss here, especialy after US Congress' vote for Resolution 758 on Dec. 4th 2014 thus legalizing the war against Russia - including approval of a preemptive (nuclear) strike."

OK, it's clear now - you are a paranoid lunatic. You almost had me hoodwinked there for a moment.

desconocido 26 May 2015 19:51

The claim that the west gave no guarantees against Nato expanding eastwards may be literally true but is nevertheless misleading. As Clark and Spohr write, "these developments belonged to a future that was not yet in sight".

Having freed eastern Europe and dissolved the Warsaw Pact, the Soviet leadership trusted that the west would reciprocate by respecting Russian interests, and was repeatedly reassured by western leaders in this respect.

As a member of the European parliament delegation to the Supreme Soviet in 1989, I witnessed this trust and later the increasing bewilderment of the Soviet/Russian participants in various conferences at the arrogant triumphalism of Nato and even EU speakers. "But I thought communism had lost and we had all won?" complained one.

Many Soviet leaders responsible for the "miracle of 1990" – like the former Soviet ambassador to Bonn, Valentin Falin – have complained bitterly that Mikhail Gorbachev naively trusted the west and gave away so much for so little.

So the attitude of the revived Russia of today should not come as a surprise.

Jakob von Uexkull
Former MEP, German Greens

desconocido -> Metronome151 26 May 2015 19:41

So yes it is just Russian hysteria, wishful thinking and false memory syndrome.

More to the point is EugeneGur's comment:

But the memory of Nato's broken promises also matters because it touches on the legitimacy, in Russian eyes, of the international settlement established during the German unification process and the European order that emerged in its wake.

The west always considers Russia's action in isolation from everything else. The narrative is rather simple, not to say primitive: Russia is inherently bad, aggressive, totalitarian (feel free to add whatever additional derogatory adjectives you can come up with). So, whatever the West does against Russia must be good. The West never considers the impact its own actions have on the Russian perception of the situation and Russian actions. The expansion of NATO were bound to elicit Russia's reaction at some point, regardless whether any promise was made and whether it was binding or not. It doesn't really take a genius to predict what that reaction would be, which is a good thing, because NATO is rather short on geniuses.

People, you were given a gift, a gift the West did not in the least deserve. The Soviet Union peacefully withdraw from Eastern Europe. Germany, in particular, was given a gift , which was no less than magnificent considering what Germany did in Russia. And how did the West use that gift? It grabbed and grabbed, and grabbed. Finally, it bit off more than it could chew with Georgia, Moldova, Ukraine, particularly, Ukraine.

desconocido -> Chirographer 26 May 2015 19:28

nobody in NATO, Ukraine, Georgia or Moldova has been planning an attack on Russia.

Really? What do you call that Georgian attack on the Russian peacekeeping force (don't sneer, official OSCE title) in South Ossetia? And if I was in Russia, looking at NATO's track record, I wouldn't believe for a minute that NATO wasn't planning an attack on me.

Alexander S -> SonnyTuckson 26 May 2015 19:27

"The Budapest Memorandum" is a perfect case of false memory syndrome as stated in this article. At no time did anybody, including US and Russia, offer a binding commitment to respect and/or protect Ukrainian borders.

Nevertheless as Russia stated on many occasions it upholds the international law and supports both the integrity of Ukrainian territory and the right of people of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea to self-determination.

Ivan Daraktchiev 26 May 2015 17:32

With the collapse of Soviet Union NATO's raison d'être disappeared and it should have disbanded itself exactly the way the Warsaw Pact did. Instead, it continues to serve as a vehicle for conducting USA's proxy wars, each part of its 70 years long bellicose campaign for the immense Russian resources.

There's nothing to discuss here, especially after US Congress' vote for Resolution 758 on Dec. 4th 2014 thus legalizing the war against Russia - including approval of a preemptive (nuclear) strike.

Volkovolk -> silvaback 26 May 2015 17:08

Bla-bla-bla, russian occupants, agression, occupation... Tell me better how you have an UNA-UNSO ultaright party led by son of UPA leader Shushevich.

The guy who led the Volin Slaughter and served in SS punitive batallion Nachtigall. How you have this abomination of a party and dare accuse us in anything, Bizarro?)

MaoChengJi 26 May 2015 15:36

I must say: the authors of letters you published are too nice to this truly disgusting lying and racist piece.

Duncan Frame -> psygone 26 May 2015 13:14

I agree but, you can see US doing almost exactly the same thing with any country that embraces socialism in the Americas. Had Russia extended its hegemony, insofar as it exists these days, there is no doubt the US would use the most effective tools at it's disposal (powerful economic sanctions) to destabilize or otherwise nullify the political power of that country.

The difference between Russia and the US is that Russia cannot control the economic climate anywhere as near as effectively as the US so it uses more direct methods.

FromVolga 26 May 2015 13:13

http://nato.int/docu/speech/1990/s900517a_e.htm

The Atlantic Alliance and European Security
in the 1990s

Extract:
This will also be true of a united Germany in NATO.
The very fact that we are ready not to deploy NATO troops
beyond the territory of the Federal Republic gives
the Soviet Union firm security guarantees.
Moreover we could conceive of a transitional period
during which a reduced number of Soviet forces could
remain stationed in the present-day GDR.
This will meet Soviet concerns about not changing
the overall East-West strategic balance.
Soviet politicians are wrong to claim that German
membership of NATO will lead to instability.
The opposite is true.
Europe including the Soviet Union would gain stability.
It would also gain a genuine partner in the West ready to cooperate.

And could you listen the words of Germany Foreign Minister Genscher in 1990?
Please use link below at 7:50
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfZmPnJbCkI

Do you realy think all of these is a case of false memory syndrome ?

vlad day -> Botswana61 26 May 2015 11:47

How smart. Really being curious or just used to be noisy? Relax. A year has passed, and so far Russia has not recognized the two Republics. Today, nobody speaks in Chechnya or Dagestan about independence; hope the botswana man's being outdated has an excuse. The problem of these territories was not separatism but terrorism. When Russians and other non-Chechens started leaving Chechnya, big banners appeared in the streets reading "Russians, do not leave, we need slaves and prostitutes". As for independence, poorly educated mountain folk whose best skill was using a gun and explosives, had a special idea of it.

When told about the need to buy a visa for every crossing the border once independence is established, they would jump: "Why should I?.. I don't want any visa!!!" – "But you have to…" – "No! No visa!"

I guess the botswana man was already born to the world when Kosovo tragedy started unfolding. Was he asking NATO American guys who were shelling Kosovo and Belgrade (with the words "Still willing to be a Serb?" and "Easter Greetings!" on the shells and rockets) if they were ready, for instance, to grant independence to Texas populated mainly with Mexicans? To all appearance, no.

BradBenson -> alpamysh 26 May 2015 07:41

That is insane. Hitler was always hell-bent on expansion to the East for Lebensraum. The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact bought time for both countries to prepare for the conflict that both knew was coming. Stalin was always paranoid and, having killed off his officer corps in the 30's, he was well aware that Russia was not prepared for war.

Unfortunately for Stalin, he began to believe that the treaty would hold, especially since he did not think that the Germans would risk a two-front war again. As a result, he was initially caught off guard and didn't want to believe that the Germans were actually attacking Russia on June 22, 1941. As history has proven, he quickly came to his senses.

BenAris 26 May 2015 07:40

there was a promise of no nato expansion:

On January 31, 1990 West German Foreign Minister Hans-Dietrich Genscher publicly declared that there would be "no expansion of NATO territory eastward" after reunification. Two days later, U.S. Secretary of State James Baker met with Genscher to discuss the plan. Although Baker did not publicly [8] endorse Genscher's plan, it served as the basis for subsequent meetings between Baker, Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev, and Soviet Foreign Minister Eduard Shevardnadze. During these discussions, Baker repeatedly underlined the informal deal on the table, first telling Shevardnadze that NATO's jurisdiction "would not move eastward" and later offering Gorbachev "assurances that there would be no extension of NATO's current jurisdiction eastward." When Gorbachev argued that "a broadening of the NATO zone" was "not acceptable," Baker replied, "We agree with that." Most explicit was a meeting with Shevardnadze on February 9, in which Baker, according to the declassified State Department transcript, promised "iron-clad guarantees that NATO's jurisdiction or forces would not move eastward." Hammering home the point, West German Chancellor Helmut Kohl advanced an identical pledge during meetings in Moscow the next day.

refn to archive notes on Bakers comments

http://www.2plus4.de/USA/chronik.php3?date_value=25.02.90&sort=001-000

the prob was because Soviets didnt explicit accept the terms of this informal offer the US felt justified changing it later and eventually included E Germany in NATO.

its not clear cut like Putin suggests but there was an offer even if Soviets fluffed the diplomatic close of the deal.

brianfp -> Polvilho 26 May 2015 07:34

The double standard I refer to is the attitude, prominent in mainstream media, of tremendous hand-wringing over Russia's actions in Ukraine by the same people who either or laud or ignore much worse acts of aggression or terrorism carried out by the US with far less plausible pretext.

I disagree with you on the matter of US actions in the region also but that wasn't what I was walking about.

BradBenson -> SanDiegoGuy 26 May 2015 07:30

I didn't mention the Czars. What I said above is exactly what happened in Georgia.

I was living as an expatriate in Germany at the time and the German Newspapers carried daily maps showing the locations of the pipelines and the location of the fighting. They didn't cover any of that in the US.

Nor did any US Newspaper mention the involvement of the US Military by airlifting the Georgian Afghanistan War Contingent from Afghanistan back home to Georgia virtually over night. Nor did the American News Reports cover the Russian Claims of US Special Forces Involvement and that they found dead black soldiers in Georgian Uniforms. Maybe they were from Atlanta or Resaca.

In any case, I have provided my sources in my other response to your posts. Therefore, I will not repost them here. Suffice to say, if you feel my sources are flawed, you are always welcome to present your own, which you haven't by the way.


BradBenson SanDiegoGuy 26 May 2015 07:13

Well that's all fine and dandy that you have reviewed all of these links and found the arguments, the supporting links in the articles, and the knowledge base of so many different analysts to be flawed. Yet you present an equally flawed history without so much as a supporting source. Whom do you think has made the more cogent argument here?

As for my comments to AstarSoldier, if he's such a "star soldier" let him speak for himself. To me, there are no "star soldiers" and I don't care about his physical stature. The term "little man" referred to his intellect and was a direct reference to yet another sophomoric comment by someone who doesn't know what he is talking about...sort or like your comment above.

Here is the history on Georgia. Educate yourself.

Georgia accused of targeting civilians.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/7692751.stm

I survived the Georgian war. Here's what I saw.
http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/Opinion/2008/1008/p09s02-coop.html

Revisiting the "Battle of Tskhinvali"
http://www.counterpunch.org/2008/08/16/revisiting-the-quot-battle-of-tskhinvali-quot/

The Russo-Georgian War and the Balance of Power
https://www.stratfor.com/weekly/russo_georgian_war_and_balance_power

Plucky Little Georgia? No, the Cold War Reading Won't Wash
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2008/aug/09/georgia.russia1

Tbilisi Admits Misjudging Russia
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0d8beefe-6fad-11dd-986f-0000779fd18c,Authorised=false.html?nclick_check=1&_i_location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ft.com%2Fcms%2Fs%2F0%2F0d8beefe-6fad-11dd-986f-0000779fd18c.html%3Fnclick_check%3D1%26siteedition%3Duk&siteedition=uk&_i_referer=#axzz3a7HUGsQv

'Poor Little Georgia'–Not!
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2008/08/13/poor-little-georgia-not/

Saakashvili "planned S. Ossetia invasion": ex-minister
http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/09/14/us-georgia-russia-opposition-idUSLD12378020080914

Did Saakashvili Lie? The West Begins to Doubt Georgian Leader
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/did-saakashvili-lie-the-west-begins-to-doubt-georgian-leader-a-578273.html

Accounts Undercut Claims by Georgia on Russia War
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9805E5DF1130F934A35752C1A96E9C8B63


Aleksander Trebunskikh Matthew Reynolds 26 May 2015 05:10

According to your logic, USA is the biggest empire nowadays and ever been in history, because: "exercise authoritarian control over it's satellite nations" - but, in case you love USA and hate USSR - which doesn't exist for more then 25 years, you wont see this.


Dmitry Fedotov alpamysh 26 May 2015 05:04

For the first time in 20 years in the Chernobyl forest appeared bear, and it was captured at the camera. In Chernobyl, for the first time in 20 years. And then there is a war for a year! tanks, jets! bombs! and no photographs of Russian troops in Ukraine. Hows that? Maybe they are not there? Maybe your media epidemic of idiocy? Remember, your media did not show you all the people killed in Iraq. And them there were more than 200,000. Maybe they're lying to you again?


Botswana61 Kiselev 26 May 2015 04:12

Sea tranport of bulk is the cheapest one by far. With air transport being the best for perishable goods and merchandize (e.g. machine tools, plane parts, etc.) which have to make it to their final destination literally over night.

Sorry ,but Trans-Siberian express types of trains belong to XIX century; while gas-guzzling and heavily polluting Diesel-powered, road-clogging 18-wheelers will largely disappear before the end of the next decade.


Botswana61 Laurence Johnson 26 May 2015 03:52

'The US is isolated geographically from the core global markets of trade.'

What a patent nonsence! If you followed the trends you would have noticed that while Europe (currently in recession) is stagnating - the obvious area of a dynamic economic development is PACIFIC RIM!

The biggest trade association in the world by far is APEC, which includes such countries like Chile, Peru, Costa Rica, Mexico, United States, Canada, Russia, China, Japan, Indonesia, Philippines, Australia and New Zealand, to mention just a few.

More&more Americans think of themselves as Pacific nation rather than Atlantic one.

US's business with Pacific Rim countries is brisque and growing fast. So is American export to other APEC member states.

So nice try, but no cigar.


Volkovolk AlfredHerring 26 May 2015 03:45

Yes, that was 70-90% of [all] ordinary people including ukrainians, belarus, kazachs and all other nations with some Batlic and georgian exceptions) What's interesting is that geogians had another exception - Osetian autonomous soviet republic. They - osetians - decided that they wanna stay in USSR and had their autonomous referendum.

The situation in Ukraine (where 70% of people voted for preserving and 28% againsts) changed for now because, you see, ukrainian leaders decided that's the best way to validate independence of Ukraine is to create artifical hatred towards past in USSR and by extension because of galicial lobby towars Russia and russians-moscals.

Now this 25 years of propaganda brought fruits and Ukraine is tearing itself apart in civil war.


SidSpart EugeneGur 26 May 2015 03:21

don't act surprised by the Russia's reaction and the measures Russia takes to counter what it sees as a threat.

I am not surprised by Russia's reaction to N.AT.O expansion .

Even if there was no formal agreement for N.A.T.O not to expand ,it must have been obvious after the collapse of the U.S.S.R that Russians would not want N.A.T.O on their doorstep .

At the time when the old Warsaw pact countries were joining N.A.T.O I felt it was sending the wrong message to the Russians - basically saying - "We Do Not Trust You " especially the talk about setting up the missiles shield .

The question is would the people living in those East European which are now members of N.A.T.O feel safer if they had remained non-members in the light of what has happened in the Ukraine ?

(Even though I think the Ukraine situation is a different case.)

It is not only Russians who worry about their Security and Safety, after all Latvia and Poland have never occupied Moscow or St Petersburg - but Russians have occupied Warsaw and Riga .


Laurence Johnson 26 May 2015 02:31

The problem is simple. The US is isolated geographically from the core global markets of trade. Europe united with Russia and Asia in trade would be a disaster for the US and as such must never happen.

The bridge between Asia and Europe is Russia and its clear that all options are on the table to prevent that link from becoming a reality. Its simple good business sense on the part of the US to protect its markets, which is Europe.

Laurence Johnson 26 May 2015 02:31

The problem is simple. The US is isolated geographically from the core global markets of trade. Europe united with Russia and Asia in trade would be a disaster for the US and as such must never happen.

The bridge between Asia and Europe is Russia and its clear that all options are on the table to prevent that link from becoming a reality. Its simple good business sense on the part of the US to protect its markets, which is Europe.

TecchnoExpertThanx 26 May 2015 00:08

What concerns me is that both the authors Christopher Clark (a Regius Professor of History at Cambridge and the author of The Sleepwalkers: How Europe Went to War in 1914 ) and Kristina Spohr (a senior lecturer at the London School of Economics and Political Science), carry with them significant title, and responsibility to educate and ultimately influence the next generation of political analysts, historians and policy makers.

This research and amateurish conclusions, resembles more like an essay written by a first year 'Poly Science' student with a score of 'F'.

The problem with many of our educators (amongst other things) is laziness.

Hey, I personally subscribe and listen to LSE (and similar) lectures, debates and PR book releases/reviews... but whether a student or professor, being overexposed to liberal dissidence that are well funded for their 'expert' analysis, will not make you in return an 'Expert', historian, or have you any nearer to understanding fact from fiction.

Its time to break away from the the bubble that includes free lunches and coffee, supplied by government and non government think tanks, and go out and do some real research and analysis that people can learn and benefit from.

AssameseGuy87 -> Bangorstu

I think, after forty years of independence, many of those nations need to start taking some responsibility for themselves.

Yes, there has to be some progress. For example, in India, there has been a furore over colonial-era laws that remain in practice. There really shouldn't be any excuses as to why these laws remain in place and haven't yet been repealed. But the fact remains the Empire did engage in widespread economic exploitation of the colonies that the successor nations were still reeling under after decades after independence. It's easy for some Britons to ask that question ('What have they been doing these past 50-70 years') but I don't think they can ever imagine the mess the Empire had left some of their erstwhile colonies in (in many cases, after more than a century of rule).

Most of the British Empire was conquered for somewhat less than a century....

The bulk of its colonies were acquired in the period from 1815 to 1896 (almost all of them achieved independence after the end of the WW2). One more things needs to be said. In many of these colonies, the formal incorporation of the territory into the British Empire came later; for decades (and in one particular case, up to a century) prior to that, the British were by and large the de facto rulers. Also, some of these colonies were initially British protectorates where the rulers of these states were mere figureheads.

But we never did - the indigenous languages weren't suppressed and they still survive.

The British didn't overtly have to; just one interesting policy was that they just preferred those with English education over those with vernacular language education for posts. It was largely due to the efforts of the indigenous people in many places that their languages survive today. In some places, the British favoured one ethno-religious group over the other for consideration for posts. But then, that comes under divide and rule policies implemented by most colonial powers. I would like to say that in many of these places it wasn't all peace and harmony before the colonial-era; there were indeed bloody conflicts. But then rarely were they along ethnic/religious lines. Divide and rule undoubtedly deepened the divisions between ethnic/religious groups in many former colonies.

And note many of the issues are due to arbitrarily drawn borders which can of course be changed if the countries concerned wish them to be.

And how exactly do you think we should do that??. I actually do know of a war fought over an arbitrarily drawn border. In that case, the British signed an unequal treaty which incorporated that territory into the British Raj (that was in the early 20th century). After independence, it's successor state inherited the territory. The state from which the British had gained the territory (when it's rule was weak and the might of the British was at their highest) considered that border drawn under an unequal treaty to be illegal. The successor state should just hand over the territory and the people living there, right (after 100 years of rule)??.
The Empire did good in many cases (very few dispute these). But what irritates people from places which were formerly part of the British Empire is the tendency of some Britons to simply wish away the problems faced by some of it's former colonies ('Oh, they have been independent for 50-70 years, what's stopping them') without understanding the complexity of the problem and dismissing anyone critical of some policies of the Empire as someone having a 'chip on their shoulder'.
Even worse are of course the shameless, despicable Empire apologists ('Oh, but, but the Spanish were much worse', 'Oh, but, but massacres were the norm back then', 'Oh, but, look at the ones firing the guns'; if only the Nazi war criminals used that last one as an excuse at Nuremberg). Thankfully, you do say this though:

I didn't say that did I? I said being colonized was a mixed blessing which is somewhat different.

Btw, It's a very much more complex situation and set of relationships
Yes, indeed (I agree). The Empire did much good (very few dispute that) and the Empire did much wrong too, many of which have consequences today (and out come all the apologists; I'm not saying you are one though). Many Britons take pride in the Commonwealth (the Army traditions, the language etc) but I sadly doubt many Britons can truly (or more unfortunately, even wish to) understand the negative effects some of the Empire's policies have had on its former colonies.

hermanmitt -> Matthew Reynolds 25 May 2015 20:20

If you really want to sustain this notion that the US is this covert empire, then you have to eventually get around to some sort of Phantom Menace conspiracy theory...

Once there was gold backing the U.S. Dollar. Then there was oil which turned the dollar into the world reserve currency. That and WW11. Now there is nothing backing the dollar, which is now a totally fiat currency backed solely by the U.S. military industrial complex.

The U.S. has established its Empire through the financial system by creating debt, backed at present by absolutely nothing, except the U.S. Military which needs to be pervasive around the globe in order to maintain that status quo.

When a country, Iraq, chooses to start selling its oil in Euros, it gets invaded. When a country starts to sell its oil in 'gold backed Dinars', Libya, it gets toppled. When there is a country the U.S. does not wish a direct military confrontation with, Russia, the war footing moves to a proxy, Ukraine, and the war is escalated on a financial front. Russia kicked out the Rothschilds, paid off their interest owed from oil revenues and banned them from returning to Russia. Now, Russia and China trade for oil and gas in local currencies, cutting out the dollar middle-man, and are creating a new global reserve currency based on the Chinese Yuan coupled to a new gold standard. That makes Russia a legitimate target for both a proxy war, via Ukraine, and a financial war, through sanctions. China cannot be directly confronted because China owns too much US debt, which they can call in at any time, and bankrupt the FED. The same pattern of financial aggression applied, until recently, to Iran. However the mood has changed since the U.S. need Iran to help deal with ISIS in the region in order to keep the dollar-based oil flowing.

The pattern of military and financial aggression is now so blatant it's impossible to hide, and with the rise of the Chinese who have a financial and military pact with Russia, the writing is on the wall for the fall of the dollar, possibly this year. Even the City of London has recognized this and is trading the Yuan in London, with the UK effectively joining the BRICS alliance.

It's time to start recognising the very obvious pattern that has been clearly revealed over the past decade and a half. The U.S. has buried the world in debt through the Federal Reserve System and is desperately trying to keep itself afloat. It has no real friends left, apart from perhaps Britain, but that is also a bit questionable. Everyone has just done as they are instructed, until recently, but of late, and due to the huge shift in trade and energy supply eastwards, U.S. influence is fast on the wane, and the only thing they have left is the MIC.

We are witnessing the last desperate gasps for breath of the U.S. Empire, and it could get a lot more dangerous for everyone on this planet as the inevitable day approaches where the, mathematically certain, collapse of the dollar finally occurs.

Does that go some way to filling in a few of the gaps for you?


Volkovolk -> Will Hay 25 May 2015 20:17

You are really ignorant.

Firstly "soviet invasion" started two weeks after the german. Secondly the goal of this invasion was to put border away to west before inevitable war with Germany. Read about Brest Fortress then understand that before that invasion Brest was on Poland territory. And thirdly to blame Stalin "as much as Hitler" is kinda the same as to blame jews for Holocoust.


Volkovolk 25 May 2015 19:49

Oh, and by the way i feel that i shall ask you western people one question. Have you ever wondered what Russians are thinking about Gorbachev, Yeltsin and about nearly all of their decisions? Have you ever wondered what Russians are feeling towards them? Not pro-western sectant Russians and not some successful businessmen who used the opportunity to became oligarchs, but ordinary people? Hint: this emotion has much, much common with despise and hatred.


vlad day 25 May 2015 18:09

False logic enveloped into quasi-academic wording.

"There was no commitment to abstain in future from eastern NATO enlargement". Yes, there was; a western politician who used to communicate with Gorbachev's team over German matters etc., speaking to reporters: "We didn't put it on paper." A girl journalist happily smiled and nodded her little head on those wise words. So, there was a pledge, though not "put on paper". A nice way of cheating.

"…a mythical sequence of unmediated aggressions whose ultimate purpose was to justify current Russian policy in the Ukraine". And where is a formulation of "Russian policy in Ukraine"?

Here, I guess, the author's knowledge approximates zero. No Western (and no Ukrainian) reporters in the area of conflict, except for a couple of freelancers, one of which is Graham Phillips, a classical black sheep (white crow, as we put it in Russian) of the highly hypocritical journalist community in Britain.

Radical Ukrainian nationalists commit violence all over Ukraine (not only in the two "pro-Russian" regions trying to get out of Kiev's deadly grip), killing politicians, bloggers, writers in broad daylight. Every time no investigation follows. "People being tortured and murdered, oh, really?" Who cares.

The Ukrainian topics have disappeared in the western media except for some half-abstract "academic" contexts like the one above.

EugeneGur 25 May 2015 16:15

But the memory of Nato's broken promises also matters because it touches on the legitimacy, in Russian eyes, of the international settlement established during the German unification process and the European order that emerged in its wake.

The west always considers Russia's action in isolation from everything else. The narrative is rather simple, not to say primitive: Russia is inherently bad, aggressive, totalitarian (feel free to add whatever additional derogatory adjectives you can come up with). So, whatever the West does against Russia must be good. The West never considers the impact its own actions have on the Russian perception of the situation and Russian actions. The expansion of NATO were bound to elicit Russia's reaction at some point, regardless whether any promise was made and whether it was binding or not. It doesn't really take a genius to predict what that reaction would be, which is a good thing, because NATO is rather short on geniuses.

People, you were given a gift, a gift the West did not in the least deserve. The Soviet Union peacefully withdraw from Eastern Europe. Germany, in particular, was given a gift , which was no less than magnificent considering what Germany did in Russia. And how did the West use that gift? It grabbed and grabbed, and grabbed. Finally, it bit off more than it could chew with Georgia, Moldova, Ukraine, particularly, Ukraine. Because, you see, Russia is in a way.

Here everything goes: Nazis - no problem; civilian deaths - regrettable but for the good cause; political repressions, torture, murders - can happen to the best of us. With Ukraine even that stand by excuse that the country wanted to join NATO doesn't cut it, because a good half of the country wanted nothing to do with NATO, and NATO knows. But who cares? If necessary, we'll organize a coup, buy off the elites, instigate a civil war, destroy the country - do what it takes but we'll drag whatever is left of it into NATO.


hermanmitt Matthew Reynolds 25 May 2015 15:00

Thank-you for proving my point.

Russia currently has a total of 13 military bases, most of which are in fairly close proximity.

According to a statement Ron Paul, the U.S. currently has 900 military bases stationed in 130 countries around the globe.

That is a difference of 878


AGLiakhov 25 May 2015 14:47

I was a member of various Soviet delegations in these and other talks in the late 80s. I am prepared to sign an affidavit setting out at least 3 occassions when non expansion assurances were given by US and NATO officials of different seniority. I was present when President Bush Sr. Personally promised President Gorbachev that there would be no Eastern expansion. Unfortunately Gorby believed that the world is run by gentlemen and "my word is my bond". He refused to allow us to commit this undertaking to paper. Dear researchers - please research well and maintain your integrity. However I doubt that my comment will be allowed in.

Bardamux -> Chirographer 25 May 2015 14:08

As long as Ukraine does not control all of its territory it can not become a member of NATO. Same with Georgia. The Russian action, while illegal and wrong, is quite understandable. They do not want Ukrain/Georgia to become part of a possibly hostile military alliance. Thus they take a small piece of land and prevent these countries from becoming members.

This would of course be completely unnecessary if the Russians could trust the promises that Ukraine and Georgia will never, ever become members of NATO. But surprise they do not believe this pledge.

' pledge not to violate the territorial integrity of Ukraine' - After there was a deal by with the Western-powers to keep Yanukovich in power until new elections. Which was ripped up barely after the ink dried.

Please try to understand this, right or wrong, Russia might risk nuclear war over Ukraine and Georgia. Much like America risked and threatened this over the Cuban missiles.

Dmitry Fedotov 25 May 2015 14:00

Europe and America turned flourishing Libya to hell. The endless civil war, half the population are refugees in their own country. The number of victims is unknown. Democracy level has not increased. You poured into the Iraq more than 300 tons of depleted uranium which is horrendous toxin. children will die from it for generations. You turned Fallujah into radioactive hell. And you call Assad's chemical? All your weapons containing depleted uranium - the chemical.

Chemical Britain, chemical United States and chemical Europe.

When you will realize that you are guilty, when you will repent, remember what else do is your fault, understand how much blood on your hands, then you will have the right to judge someone. Now it's just the arguments of a maniac who sagely condemns others and chews human heart same time.


Bardamux -> Grishnakh 25 May 2015 13:37

Please learn how to read. I stated many times it was not a binding agreement. It was a promise, not a binding agreement. Still upset the Russians though. Well now Russia knows that it can not trust any promise by the US/NATO. And since it is nearly impossible to make a binding agreement that can not be changed it means they will remain distrustful. And might use force if they feel it is necessary. I.e. Georgia and Ukraine. Perhaps even in the Baltics. Which would be a disaster. Congratulations on making a dunce out of Russia. But do not blame them for their lack of trust now.

US can block access of countries if they want. Has there ever joined nation without American approval ?


EugeneGur 25 May 2015 12:36

Amid recriminations over US and western European interventions in Kosovo, Libya and Syria, the Russian leadership has begun to question the legitimacy of the international agreements on which the current European order is founded.

Isn't that rather natural? Nobody certainly signed up for that, for the US or, more broadly, the West, single-handedly deciding what is "the European order" or any other "order", for that matter. It may sound naive, and definitely was extremely naive, but at the time of the Germany reunification agreement the Russian leadership and Russian people could not have imagined in their worst nightmares that the West, including Germany, of all countries (!), would instigate a coup in Ukraine, support neo-Nazis, a civil war, killing and starving of civilians. The West, it seems, like Bourbons, have learned nothing and forgot nothing".

I do hope that the Russian have learned something useful from this development: that the West is never ever to be trusted. If you have to deal with the West at all, get everything in righting three times over, and support that by a good number of judiciously placed military bases.

sambeckett2 -> Renato Timotheus 25 May 2015 11:56

Let's imagine, for a moment, that the you and I go out for dinner and we talk about a lot of things, but we don't discuss me having sex with your wife.
Does that mean that you have acquiesced to me doing it?

The countries in question are not the 'wife' of Russia - they do not belong to Russia. The break up of the Eastern Bloc was more akin to a divorce. If your wife chooses to sleep with me after that divorce it is none of your business - you do not 'acquiesce' to me doing it because you have no say.

Not discussing something does not amount to acquiescence to it.

And it doesn't amount to you having a right to prevent it either.

When G. says that NATO expansion was not discussed, I think he clearly means it was not even countenanced.

They did not have a right to 'countenance' it. If Russia did not consider the possibility at the time, that was their misfortune. To quote Gorbachev:

So don't portray Gorbachev and the then-Soviet authorities as naïve people who were wrapped around the West's finger. If there was naïveté, it was later, when the issue arose. Russia at first did not object.

the Germans - e.g. Kohl and Genscher -- knew full well that they would never get their precious reunification if there was any hint of a NATO eastward expansion.

So the implicit and explicit assurances they gave -- the latter in the form of a gentlemanly agreement -- were very real ones.

in 1990-1, there was no assurances of any kind, except with regards to the GDR. Again, Gorbachev clearly states this, and he also states that the assurances with regards to the GDR were kept. You have not pointed out a single instance in which such assurances were made in 1990-91. Gorbachev clearly states that the matter was not discussed and that the examples you have given relate to to GDR alone.

how can Russia's current leadership have any trust in Merkel's pronouncements --

And, as the article suggests, how can anyone trust Russia when they falsely claim they were given assurances about NATO expansion when they weren't? Their own leader at the time affirms this - I cannot see how the sentence "The topic of "NATO expansion" was not discussed at all, and it wasn't brought up in those years" could be any clearer.

Without some level of trust between Germany and Russia, we will see increasing tensions between them and in the part of Europe that lies between the two countries.

That does not give Russia a free pass to claim that something happened when it simply didn't.

GuardianFearless 25 May 2015 11:23

Another NATO fairy tale. Don't you think it's doesn't matter now what exactly West thinks about it, all European decisions already were made and nothing can be done now to change the outcome. The more important part what Russia thinks of that events, and what will be the consequences now, just because Russia thinks that there was a betrayal.

You can try to justify actions that was taken in the past in this case only for your own people, but if you can't convince Russia (and, by the way, the rest of non USA-oriented world), that will not delay or spare consequences. West will have a problem with Russia in future, it's inevitable, and a big one (looks like even nuclear one), because Russia makes reality in the world on her own, that West has to check, so if Russians thinks there was something wrong with NATO actions in 90-th it's totally 100 percent real for the rest of the world. So, author, please check your reality detector, looks like a battery fails in it, and write again!

EugeneGur 25 May 2015 11:06

The miracle of 1990 is that one of the greatest transformations of the international system in human history was achieved without war, in a spirit of dialogue and cooperation.

And then this miracle was used up ill by the West to expand east without any spirit of dialog or cooperation. Even assuming no promises were made, the actions themselves were hardly friendly, and that's precisely how they are perceived in Russia. The usual argument that the Eastern European countries fell over themselves to join NATO is faulty. First, correct me if I am wrong, but I don't recall a single referendum about joining NATO in any of them, so how the people of these countries felt remains unknown.

Second, even assuming they were anxious to join NATO, NATO could've predicted the Russian reaction, could it not, if the NATO commanders had any brains at all? You want to please Estonia and annoy Russia - that's what you have achieved.

So, don't act surprised by the Russia's reaction and the measures Russia takes to counter what it sees as a threat. Regardless of what the Eastern Europe wants, Russia remains within its right to protect itself, and it will. Trying to present it as something totally unreasonable, Russian "paranoia", is the usual deceit tactics the West is so good at. This always amuses me to no end: Russia feeling apprehensive at being encircled by something that represents itself as the strongest military alliance in the wold is paranoia, but the US representing North Korea as existential threat is reality. Fantastic.

Алексей Кузнецов -> AbsolutelyFapulous 25 May 2015 10:48

What did NATO do to Russia that is not a product of Russia paranoia?

1. Yugoslavia
2. Iraq
3. Afghanistan
4. Libya
5. Syria

Who's next? What about missile defense system in Europe?

TecchnoExpertThanx 25 May 2015 10:41

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If the Russians are constantly guilty of 'whataboutism', then unfortunately for us in the west, we are guilty of 'Double Speak' (having this pointed out to us, is commonly referred to as 'whataboutism').
Whether it is deliberate or not, it is about time we stop using this technique to hide behind our false justifications and need for 'action'.

Courtesy of our propagators, their media poodles and sock puppets, people actually believe that the 'Ends justify the means' and that the ends is 'Freedom' and the means is 'Democracy Building', and everything in between is 'Good'.
And sure, we may 'torture some folks', but how dare anyone question intent!!!
Bin Laden? Why am i not surprised to have read only last week that Bin Laden must be conspiracy theorist because seals found amongst other novels, Confessions of an Economic Hit Man?
Here are some quotes from a Guardian article in 2004. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/jun/11/iraq.usa

....the hallmark of Reagan's presidency was anti-communist cynicism, masked by phoney rhetoric about freedom. In his first press conference as president he used quasi-biblical language to claim that Soviet leaders "reserve unto themselves the right to commit any crime, to lie, to cheat". It was one of the most extraordinary cases of the pot calling the kettle black...

...In the name of anti-communism everything was possible. Reagan invaded Grenada on the false premise that US students who had been there safely for months were suddenly in danger. Reagan armed thugs to overthrow the government of Nicaragua, even after it won internationally certified free elections in 1984....

Reagan armed and trained Osama bin Laden and his followers in their Afghan jihad, and authorised the CIA to help to pay for the construction of the very tunnels in Tora Bora in which his one-time ally later successfully hid from US planes. On the grounds that Nelson Mandela's African National Congress was pro-communist, Reagan vetoed US congress bills putting sanctions on the apartheid regime the ANC was fighting.

His policies towards the Soviet Union were hysterical and counter-productive. He put detente into deep freeze for several years with his insulting label "the evil empire". It led to overblown outrage over the downing by Soviet aircraft of a South Korean airliner that intruded into Russian air space. Moscow's action was inept, but if Reagan had not put the superpowers in collision, the Kremlin might have treated the wayward plane more calmly.

It further goes onto conclude;


Reagan's Star Wars project did not bankrupt the Soviet Union into reform, as his admirers claim. In repeated statements as well as his budget allocations Gorbachev made it clear Moscow would not bother to match a dubious weapons system which could not give Washington "first-strike capability" for at least another 15 years, if ever.

But hey, all this is a distraction. Rather than bickering around 'he said, she said', Ambassador to the .S.S.R. from 1987 to 1991, Jack F. Matlock does an excellent job in readdressing one of Russia's biggest concerns. Now irregardless of a promise or lost in translation, who in their right mind would think that expanding NATO (even if countries BEG to join), would be in the in the best interest for global security??????
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/who-is-the-bully-the-united-states-has-treated-russia-like-a-loser-since-the-cold-war/2014/03/14/b0868882-aa06-11e3-8599-ce7295b6851c_story.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwj8T34v6hM


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StephenKMack 26may1989 25 May 2015 10:40

Thank you for your comment. For those of us who came of age during the last Cold War we don't need a 'report' to inform us of the fact that a 'New Cold War' is in full swing! The attacks on those who dissent as 'dupes' and/or as 'paid agents of Putin' hinting at the notion of 'Quislings' are all familiar territory.

It smacks of the Nixon/McCarren/Mundt/McCarthy political axis of the late forties in America:' a generation of treason' to describe The New Deal! Always the same screeching hysteria, although Mr. Clark in his search for 'reasons', while he carefully diagnosis Russian paranoia, and the self-identification as victim of Western mendacity, tries to mute the tone of that hysteria, by providing plausible historical antecedents, in a carefully massaged exercise in empiricism, and he acquits himself with a kind of confident ease.

To provide one salient example of the same old faces, the same old rhetoric, from the last 'Cold War', we see Strobe Talbott of Brookings, or RussiaHand as he dubbed himself, one of the architects of the transition of the Soviet Union from command to a 'free market' economy, that required the 'strong medicine' of the 'shock doctrine' to make that transition. That transition led to the rise of The Oligarchs equaling former KGB thugs like your arch-enemy Putin.

After that ignominious policy failure, hailed by the Western Media as a necessity for the transition to Democracy, that caused untold suffering on the Russian people: the triumph of the misery producing Neo-Liberal Dogma in it's squalid infancy , or nearly that.

Regards,
StephenKMackSD

Кирилл Олейник 25 May 2015 10:26

After all these events since the bombing of Yugoslavia it is obviously that Gorbachev had made mistake.

The West is not able to appreciate the concessions, West doesn`t know what means gratitude. And such demagogic articles are just another proof.

When Soviets had stopped meaningless Cold War the West had dared to call itself the winner. So there is no reason to have a dialogue with the West, because it can understand only the language of strength. Well, this is a good remark, Russians will remember this. If you prefer the language of strength then you`ll have it.

Don`t cry then.

Z'ing Sui AbsolutelyFapulous 25 May 2015 10:16

From what I read, Russians are angry for a number of reasons, here's approximate list
1. Expansion - "our anti-Western alliance is over, your anti-Russian alliance is growing", the broken promise to Gorby, etc.

2. Bombing Russia's allies. - Russia had very few of them as it was, and the Serbia thing being done without engaging Russians is something they can't forgive. Destroying Libya and threats to bomb Syria pale in comparison (Russians don't see the distinction between NATO countries and NATO)

3. "We helped you, you didn't help us" - Russia's provided logistics to NATO in Afghanistan, but they say NATO has never done anything meaningful in return

4. Training troops that fight Russia - that's something spanning from Soviets fighting in Afghanistan to Georgia, they aren't specific. But training Georgia troops and then having them shell Russian positions in South Ossetia is something that actually seems to have happened

Alexander Bach Artusov 25 May 2015 10:06

There was NO written agreement as I understand it.

True. Russians have never claimed there was a written agreement. They claim that was alluded in spoken words and they believed it as at that time they trusted the West much more than today. Anyway, today they don't use this issue as a justification of everything. They only give it as one example of the West's behaviour. There were many other things later on. So there's no point in focusing on this particular one. The fact is that today Russia has no trust towards the West whatsoever, not only because of the cheats, but mostly because the West continuously refuses to admit any Russia's interests.

Putin is KGB trained and probably shares some ideas of Russian expansion [ or perhaps not - who knows ? ]

I don't think so. Putin has given a hint a few times that he treats the ex-USSR splinters as a burden for Russia, so he prefers them to pay for themselves. Crimea is an easily explainable exclusion: 1) it's very Russian (full of Russians) 2) it's very pro-Russian (people there want to be in Russia) 3) it has very high strategic value (having it gives control over the whole Black Sea).

As per other regions (South Ossetia, Abkhazia, Novorossia), as you see Putin doesn't take them into Russia although he could apparently do so with ease.


Ieuan Tintenfische 25 May 2015 10:00

Tintenfische said: "As for Iran, well yes we did invade together with you, but the SHah had declared war on the UK"

If you're talking about 1941, no the Shah had not declared war on anybody. Iran had declared itself neutral.

The Brits used as their excuse for invasion that Iran was under Nazi domination and 'full of German advisers'. In turns out that the only Germans in the country were a couple of hundred employees of the German embassy, who had every right to be there.

The UK occupied the country until 1946.

Interestingly enough the Shah of 1941 had been supported by the UK in the 1920's when he was no more than a junior army officer and marched on Tehran to overthrow the new Iranian Parliament (There had been an Iranian constitutional revolution which had overthrown the current Shah and set up a democratic parliament).


Z'ing Sui AbsolutelyFapulous 25 May 2015 09:57

Would have been a great move 20-25 years ago, when Russians removed their boots from Europe, their people hailed western values and their politicians weren't former KGB. Now, with NATO disregarding Russia for 20 years basically just because Russia was too concerned with not falling apart to do anything about it, and Russians going on a rampage in Crimea and Eastern Ukraine, with Putin having almost 90% ratings for opposing NATO, it's just too late.

Why would they trust NATO after all these years? I sure wouldn't, not until NATO undoes whatever Russians consider NATO's wrongdoings, which is not really possible too.

Z'ing Sui 25 May 2015 09:46

Almost every politician who was privy to the process of negotiations with the Russians or had anything to do with foreign policy towards USSR at the time has at least expressed sentiment that Russians would of course not expect NATO expansion and would consider it a hostile move after they've remove their troops from Europe.

A number of people confirm that the assurances were in fact given to the Russians, and here's a great article that actually relies on the documents of the time, and not on some ww1 history lessons

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/30/opinion/30sarotte.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

"What would Mr. Gorbachev demand in return? To learn the answer, Mr. Baker and Mr. Kohl journeyed to Moscow within a day of each other. On Feb. 9, 1990, Mr. Baker asked Mr. Gorbachev, "Would you prefer to see a unified Germany outside of NATO, independent and with no U.S. forces or would you prefer a unified Germany to be tied to NATO, with assurances that NATO's jurisdiction would not shift one inch eastward from its present position?"

Mr. Gorbachev, according to Mr. Baker, answered that "any extension of the zone of NATO would be unacceptable." Their meeting ended without any final deals made. Mr. Baker left behind a secret letter, detailing what he had said, for Mr. Kohl in Moscow."
It seems clear that although Kohl obviously negotiated mostly concerning East Germany's future, Russians were talking about any sort of NATO expansion, into East Germany and otherwise, and Kohl and Baker at the very least, knew it when they made their assurances to the soviets.

Yes, there was no binding agreement, but Gorby's trust was obviously betrayed. "False memory syndrome" is what authors suffer from. You can't fight Putin's lies with lies of your own.


PixieFrouFrou Alexander Bach 25 May 2015 09:43

'In a recent atricle (8 of March 2015) the Guardian writes (see http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/08/nato-is-misquoting-mikhail-gorbachev)'

The item you quote is a letter to the Guardian from a reader, not an article in the Guardian.


BradBenson Steely1 25 May 2015 08:43

Yes indeed. That was an excellent article which, although written six years ago, is more accurate and true to the facts than the above opinion piece.

These two authors want to blame something that happened at the beginning of the 20th Century for Russian mistrust of the West in the 21st. I would suggest that, if they want to go back that far in history to find a reason for Russian mistrust of the West, they should not overlook the Western MILITARY INTERVENTION in Russia during the civil war, which followed the revolution--to which US Military Units were also dispatched. Perhaps the Russian Memory is better than ours here in the West.


Ian56789 DHMeyer 25 May 2015 08:24

The Ukraine economy is in the midst of collapse - GDP fell by 17.6% in Q1.

This was the highly predictable outcome (as was the civil war) of the US engineered Coup in Kiev.

The IMF loans will do absolutely nothing to help Ukraine. They will go on bailing out Templeton, Soros and other US hedge funds that hold Ukraine debt (about $23bn in total).

The IMF loans will go on increasing military spending up from $1.5bn in 2013 to $3.8bn in 2015. A fair amount of it will be used on buying US made weapons (quelle surprise!).

A billion or so will go in the pockets of Poroshenko, Yatsenuk & other Ukrainian Oligarchs. Yatsenuk is already accused of embezzling $325m.

The IMF imposed "austerity" will further depress Ukraine's economy. Private fuel bills have increased by 300% and overall inflation is running at something like 60%.

The EU co-operation agreement was discussed at a meeting in Yalta in September 2013 attended by Bill and Hillary Clinton, Tony Blair, Poroshenko and representatives of the IMF, German and Russian foreign ministries.

It was later reported that Hillary Clinton had taken an $8m bribe from the host - Ukrainian Oligarch Viktor Pinchuk.


Susan O'neill alpamysh 25 May 2015 08:22

What an utterly ridiculous claim. The nazi Kiev regime has outlawed Russian speech, legal representation of Russian speaking peoples and the Lugansk and Donetsk peoples wanted to survive. They are fighting for their lives under an oppressive regime who has promised them suffering beyond belief. They asked to be recognized as a federation, which Putin has acknowledged but the US wants a deal on that "bread basket" land and will support the Kiev war in order to get it. This war is about power to those who have it and can wield it. The only "ideals" are those of the nazi ideology. There is real conviction on the part of the Donbass civilian population. It's called survival.

It was also later reported (in the Telegraph) that the EU trade agreement up for consideration would cost the Ukraine economy something like $160bn over 10 years, which was the reason that Yanukovich eventually rejected it.

You should also look into Kolomoyski, Burisma Holdings (Ukraine's largest private fracking company), Hunter Biden (son of VP Joe) and John Kerry's investments in Burisma through the Heinz Family Trusts.


hermanmitt 25 May 2015 08:06

Try asking yourself one question:
How many Russian 'military bases' are there around the globe?

It perhaps needs to be pointed out that, in reality, there is no such thing as NATO. NATO, as it exists, is merely the European military arm that enforces the current 'western occupation' by the U.S. Empire, which relies exclusively on its Military Industrial Complex to hold the empire together.

When you look at it in this way, to get the full picture, one needs to add into the mix all the other U.S. military bases around the globe, which tells you that the entire planet is held under a threat of U.S. aggression. It's the reason that U.S. military spending is more than the next 26 countries combined. A strategy first widely employed in the building and maintenance of the British Empire, this is really nothing more than an extension of 'gunboat diplomacy' - a global example of a military backed empire, but done in a more cover way.

The Russians may, diplomatically, be pointing out some very salient facts, for those of us who prefer the macro, as opposed to micro, view of the geo-political map.

Anyone who supports the current corrupt and disastrous, heavily Fascist orientated, regime in Kiev is no friend of Ukrainians, nor friends of Europe (or ordinary Americans).

Putin has repeatedly tried to have civilized discussions with the West and sought to de-escalate the situation at every opportunity. It just hasn't been reported in Western mainstream media - it has been reported in numerous Western alternative media outlets. Just about all of the Western alternative media directly contradicts the false Neocon propaganda pushed in Western Corporate media.


DHMeyer SHappens 25 May 2015 07:59

1. Expansion of NATO was the choice of the independent countries which applied to join the organisation. They wouldn't have done so if Russia was indeed a peaceful and helpful neighbour, but sorry, history of the region proves they are not interested in that sort of role.

2. Do you really believe that Russia wouldn't demand written guarantees "because it would have seemed indecent"? Since when Russian diplomats are sentimental fools and since when Russia is overly concerned with decency?

Steely1 25 May 2015 07:58

A real article on the subject: http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/nato-s-eastward-expansion-did-the-west-break-its-promise-to-moscow-a-663315.html

[May 28, 2015] Yats bleat about Tatar rights in Crimea before the Maidan events

kirill, May 28, 2015 at 3:01 pm

Next time western "human rights lovers" bleat about Tatar rights in Crimea, show them what their darling Yatz was spewing before the Maidan events.

Tim Owen , May 28, 2015 at 5:10 pm
I think something was lost in translation. He certainly sounds and looks like a loon. There's the moment where he basically suggests that any other group existing in the country are thereby trampling the writes of the presumably chosen who do not belong to that group… Presumably Ukrainians, whatever tf that means…

Never mind. I think I figured it out.

[May 27, 2015] Andrzej Duda victory in Polish presidential election signals shift to right

See also Far-right politics in Poland - Wikipedia and 'Polish far-right nationalists serve as instruments of US, EU policy'
May 27, 2015 | The Guardian

The changing political mood could signal a return to power of Duda's conservative Law and Justice party in parliamentary elections this autumn. That would cement Poland's turn to the right, create a new dynamic with other European countries and possibly usher in a less welcoming climate for foreign investors.

Law and Justice presents itself as a protector of those who have not benefited from the capitalist transformation and as a defender of national interests abroad. It is staunchly pro-US, but has a sometimes defiant stance towards other European partners, which has created tensions in the past with the EU and neighbouring Germany.

Duda says he wants new taxes on the foreign-owned banks and supermarkets to protect Polish interests, suggesting an approach similar to that of Hungary's prime minister, Viktor Orbán. He also wants banks returned to Polish control.

[May 25, 2015] "Moldova Eyes Russia's Embrace as Flirtation With Europe Fades"

"...Russian propaganda aside, however, Moldovans say they have more than enough reasons - not least widespread corruption here, the shadowy power of business moguls, and the war next door in Ukraine - to look askance at the European Union"
"...Today, Moldova's feuding pro-European politicians, like their counterparts in Ukraine, are so tainted by their failure to combat corruption and create a functioning state that, to many here, Russia looks appealing."
"...The Transdniester blockade is tit for tat for Russia cancelling USA's access to Afghanistan. concessions. Apparently access to the high seas is some kind of universal human right, based on which there are UN conventions for landlocked states to have rights to transit neighbouring countries to get to the sea. So it's not entirely a matter of next door liking to let you through. I am not sure if "trade" includes weapons. "

..."We go to a place for an hour or so, and then we leave and they all go back to watching Russian television," Ms. Morari said.

Russian propaganda aside, however, Moldovans say they have more than enough reasons - not least widespread corruption here, the shadowy power of business moguls, and the war next door in Ukraine - to look askance at the European Union, which Ms. Morari fears is losing out to Russia in the struggle for hearts and minds in this former Soviet land.

...

Instead of enjoying a new European dawn, the prospective partners are deeply mired in their own troubles. Or they are veering closer toward Moscow, swayed by a contrasting combination of a Brussels bureaucracy focused on technical minutiae and President Vladimir V. Putin's far more clear and assertive effort to return former Soviet satraps to Moscow's fold.

...

It is the kind of waffling that has left many former Soviet subjects less than enchanted by European entreaties. "Russia doesn't have to do anything," said Yan Feldman, a member of a Moldovan government council set up to combat discrimination. "It just has to wait. The idea of Europe has discredited itself."

Indeed, there is little to show from the six years of courtship of the former Soviet republics. Ukraine aside, Georgia is stuck in limbo amid fierce political infighting, and three other partnership countries - Armenia, Azerbaijan and Belarus - have rebuffed Brussels's inducements and moved closer to Moscow.

But nowhere is the gap between expectation and reality bigger than in Moldova, which last year secured visa-free travel to Europe for its citizens after being trumpeted by Brussels as the Eastern Partnership's "top reformer."

Today, Moldova's feuding pro-European politicians, like their counterparts in Ukraine, are so tainted by their failure to combat corruption and create a functioning state that, to many here, Russia looks appealing.

A recent opinion poll carried out by the Institute for Public Policy, a Moldova research group, found that only 32 percent of those surveyed would support joining the European Union - an option that Brussels has no intention of offering - while 50 percent said they would prefer to join a customs union promoted by Mr. Putin. Over all, support for the European Union in Moldova has plummeted to 40 percent this year from 78 percent in 2007, according to the group's figures, which were based on what it called a representative sample of Moldovans.

"We cannot live without the Russian market," said Igor Dodon, the Socialist Party leader, as he sat in an office bedecked with photographs of himself meeting Mr. Putin in Moscow. Mr. Putin, he said, told him that Russia wants to revive trade and political ties with Moldova, but only if the country avoids moving toward NATO.

The European Union, Mr. Dodon said, "needed a success story and chose us. But now everyone sees this was all an illusion."

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Kat Kan, May 24, 2015

The Transdniester blockade is tit for tat for Russia cancelling USA's access to Afghanistan. concessions. Apparently access to the high seas is some kind of universal human right, based on which there are UN conventions for landlocked states to have rights to transit neighbouring countries to get to the sea. So it's not entirely a matter of next door liking to let you through. I am not sure if "trade" includes weapons.

Nothing too sinister in this, and fixable with a little diplomatic horse-trading maybe. If they won't start WW3 over Ukraine they certainly won't over Transdniester.

While they don't run out of food or ammunition,. the Russian troops in Transdniester are in a good pincer position if any more come across from, say, Novoazovski, towards Odessa. So they're better off being nice to them.

Many in Romania would like Moldova reattached, but nobody in Moldova wants this, except a few who think unification would be a good backdoor into EU membership. This won't fly with the EU, I am sure.

Moldova doesn't really want Transdniester because it is a very poor and very mixed ethnicity region, but they don't want to let it go, either. It is actually another Crimea situation, having voted for autonomy/independence a year before the Soviet breakup.

I get dizzy just thinking about it, so I hope "they" get dizzy enough to not do anything silly.

[May 25, 2015] Great work from Dr Nafeez Ahmed and I hope Off-Guardian.org support his report by reposting it at their site.

marknesop , May 23, 2015 at 3:54 pm

Fantastic. And the west was still unable to topple Assad, while Syria's only ally in the whole world was the barbaric tinker-toy nation that doesn't make anything and is isolated from the global community. Heckuva job, Putin.

Jen , May 23, 2015 at 5:02 pm

Great work from Dr Nafeez Ahmed and I hope Off-Guardian.org support his report by reposting it at their site.

james , May 23, 2015 at 5:09 pm

yea – this has been out for the past week or so – as if anyone with a fucking brain couldn't figure out isis is another creation of the same maniacs funding shit around the mid-east – usa/saudi arabia and israel.. moa had a good post up may 19th which also highlights a perceptive comment " The pictures ( see link here) show a bright and sunny blue sky. No U.S. air interdiction was seen. Remarks one knowledgeable tweep looking at those pictures:

The Islamic State in Ramādī yesterday. Quite amazing the coalition didn't take them out actually. Makes one wonder about the coalitions rules of engagement. Now it "looks" as if Ramādī was offered to them on a silver plate …"

Fern , May 23, 2015 at 8:19 pm

That the 'international community' aka the US and its friends are behind the creation of ISIS/ISIL/IS has been hidden in plain sight for a number of years now. The arming of the unreliable Iraqi military with a phenomenal amount of US hardware which then somehow or other find their way into IS hands – and God forbid the US military with its awesome air power should, you know, like bomb the weapons' stores when they're abandoned by the military to prevent their take-over by the jihadists – added to the funding and arming (with US supplied weapons) of IS by US ally Saudi Arabia and other Gulf States along with yet more weapons and fighters being moved into Iraq and Syria through US ally and NATO member, Turkey, clearly point to the source of IS. A US foreign policy wonk, for example, wrote the following in 2012 – it comes with a health warning – reading it is likely to adversely affect your blood pressure:-

"For the foreseeable future, however, Iran constitutes a far greater and more immediate threat to US national interests. Whatever misfortunes Sunni Islamists may visit upon the Syrian people, any government they form will be strategically preferable to the Assad regime….So long as Syrian jihadis are committed to fighting Iran and its Arab proxies, we should quietly root for them – while keeping our distance from a conflict that's going to get very ugly before the smoke clears. There will be plenty of time to tame the beast after Iran's regional hegemonic ambitions have gone down in flames."

Massacres and ethnic cleansing – it's all good. Afghanistan redux. The utter destruction of Afghanistan at the hands of western funded and backed jihadis is one of the great tragedies of the 20th century – a tragedy dismissed by one of its main architects, Zig Big, as a "bunch of stirred up muslims'.

And that's the thing – these folk know what they're doing. The US does not end up backing the most regressive and violent groups in targeted countries and societies because of some tragic 'mistake' or 'misunderstanding' of their motives, they back whosoever is violent enough to get the job done. And they care not one iota for the fate of peoples in those places. This is what I find impossible to understand about the Russian US worshipping 'liberals' – it's not like evidence the US doesn't give a flying f**k about target populations is somehow hidden or unobtainable. And yet the Kreakly still don't get they're being used?

marknesop , May 23, 2015 at 10:25 pm

There will be plenty of time to tame the beast after the dust has settled. That, in a nutshell, is the essence of what I despise about American foreign policy, and its cavalier assumption that it will be able to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear – that sometime in laterland its vicious killers will turn into butterfly-collecting free marketeers with a pro-western bent and a yen for democracy and the rule of law. All courtesy of American Exceptionalism. Like those blackboard drawings which feature skeins of equations all flowing into a single box inside which is written "Here a miracle occurs", followed by an equals sign and the correct answer.

The Great American Approach To Meddling is perhaps most chillingly summed up in neocon high priest William Kristol's remark during an interview on NPR in 2003.

"There's been a certain amount of pop sociology in America that the Shia can't get along with the Sunni, and the Shia in Iraq just want to establish some kind of Islamic fundamentalist regime. There's almost no evidence of that at all. Iraq's always been very secular."

[May 23, 2015] Geopolitical war: Country at the crossroads of cultures – "bargaining chip" of big politics

Mar 12, 2015 | youtube.com

March 4, 2015 in Chisinau held an open meeting with Yakov Kedmi, military and political expert, former head of the Israeli secret service, "Nativ". The theme of the meeting: "Geopolitical war. Country at the crossroads of cultures – "bargaining chip" big politics".

The event was organized by the Institute of diplomatic studies and security issues (IDPS), Moldova.

Details on the website of the Institute - idps.md

The first part of the meeting by reference http://youtu.be/3eNakx0-8iI

[May 23, 2015] Я. Кедми. США боятся убрать Порошенко.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuzfX2ttEmw

Павел Ариец

Я доверяю лиш этому аналитику, хоть он и экс... Посмотрите сколько экс- специалистов стремятся высказать никому не интересное мнение, каждый стремится напомнить всем о себе незаменимом, а вот Яков Кедми это глыба знаний и глубокий аналитический ум. БРАВО Яков.

Victor Zeleniy

Не пойму, почему Яков придаёт такое значение словам Меркель? Для политиков соврать - что через два пальца плюнуть.

Там более что пример уже есть: год назад министры иностранных дел Германии, Франции и Польши поставили подписи под соглашением Януковича с оппозицией.

А уже на следующий день, когда киевская оппозиция нарушила это соглашение и захватила власть, то эти самые страны признали хунту законным правительством.

василий кузнецов

имхо: нестыковки в договоренности заложены были специально, как со стороны запада, так и России, чтобы при возобновлении конфликта можно было с легкостью осудить противника. конфликт затих, но не прекратился и не прекратится. яков должен знать менталитет тех "украинцев", что сейчас у власти в Киеве. вся их логика сводится к : назло бабушке отморожу себе уши. если бы америка не присутствовала своими интересами в украине, то все соглашения были бы " по якову"( изменения-федерализация; признание незаконными военнизированных формирований и т.д...).

сейчас втихую будут готовить украинскую армию к "стремительному броску и молниеносной-победоносной войне - блицкриг". это нужно нынешним властям украины(другого способа сохранить головы и капиталы у них нет) и американским властным и коммерческим стуктурам(уничтожение и полное ослабление России и приведение Европы в полную зависимость от америки).

Нынешней власти России, затишье так же необходимо, т.к. страна не готова к ведению широкомасштабных войн. широкомасштабных - потому, что в них не применут возможностью "поучаствовать" страны Азии: Япония и Китай

Виталий Валиев 2 months ago

Печально.Помогали Вьетнаму Афганистану Осетии .А наших мочат мы терпим. Был референдум. Лавров высказался.

Народ обнадежил.И потом полная жопа.И вопрос Донбасса - за что? Крым наш .Но и Донбасс тоже наш.Не ценично ли корабли самолёты а они наших убивают.А мы с ружьём в руках смотрим.Это не побожески.

Леонид Бейзерман 2 months ago

Яков,не напрягайся,ни будут эти соглашения соблюдаться,по той причине,что нет там статуса Донбасса.И Яценюк об этом сегодня сказал.

[May 23, 2015] The video purportedly depicting the hanging of a Novorossiyan militant and his pregnant wife

marknesop, May 22, 2015 at 5:43 pm
Re: the video purportedly depicting the hanging of a Novorossiyan militant and his pregnant wife – I have come around to thinking that it is a fake. Please see my comments for explanation, at the original site which reported it, to save me copying and pasting.
Drutten, May 22, 2015 at 6:17 pm
Yeah, your comments sound absolutely reasonable and I'm inclined to agree.
astabada, May 22, 2015 at 7:03 pm
Mark, I will suspend judgment, but to add to the discussion, the angle at which the body leans from the rope means nothing. For reference, here's a hanged person hanging vertically (Viewer discretion is advised).

The execution seems botched (intentionally or not) in that they did not allow for enough acceleration to break the neck. Nevertheless it shows the body is hanging vertically.

Here you see bodies hanging obliquely instead of vertically. No doubts this is another real execution.

Because I am a physicist, let me comment on the acceleration problem too. A car of mass M_car undergoing an acceleration a_car is subject to a force F = M_car * a_car.
When the rope goes into tension, the neck is subject to the same force M_car * a_car = F = m_body * a_neck, so the acceleration on the neck is a factor M_car/m_body higher than that you see on the car, so let's say a factor between 10 and 20 higher.

A final note (for now) is that the place has been clearly used for several executions (real or fake, I don't know).

marknesop, May 22, 2015 at 8:01 pm
Thanks for the input! The clip you have included is apparently a real execution, and the behavior is what you would expect in a case of asphyxiation. Little to no movement at first, as the victim is holding his breath for as long as he can; if his arms were not bound his hands would be clawing at the rope. The first time he tries to draw breath and cannot, just as if he drew in water when drowning, the body takes over and fights for life. The slow kicking, drawing the legs up above the waist, is what I would expect to see. In looking at the suspected fake again, the woman's legs are not bound. If the neck was broken there might not be much movement, except for tremors in the extremities that are not bound, as the man does with his legs. However, if his neck was broken he would not hang as he does – what I am talking about, if you look even at the still photo, is that the center of balance for his hanging body appears to be somewhere on his upper back rather than his neck, his body hangs at an angle.

In the still photo, some of the bodies are bent at the middle or have their legs at an angle – there's no way to know, but I suspect some of these people may have still been alive when the photo was taken, and were struggling. They were likely just standing on something which was kicked or pulled out from under them, so it is likely that all choked to death. But if you look again at the still photo of the supposed militant, he is up nearly as high as he can go without being pulled over the pole, and the rope does not appear to be leading to his neck. In this still photo, also from the Biskupia Gorka executions, the man's body hangs at an oblique angle, but it is plainly because it is swinging. In the case of the alleged Novorossiya militant, he is right up against the pole rather than hanging at the full extent of the rope, and his body is not swinging.

You can't tell what happens after the vehicle pulls them off the ground, because the clip ends – but in the case of snuff souvenirs, people usually want to capture the death agonies, which leads me to believe all the exciting stuff was over. Then there's the timing; the Kiev regime needs a distraction because it has run into a spot of negative publicity over Porky's recognition of Nazi collaborators as heroes. At the same time, he does not dare rescind the law because it is pandering to his base. However, it is difficult to imagine someone would carry that around on their phone if it was a fake, knowing what would be the likely reaction if it were found. Which leads me to suspect the individual did not know it was there.

Once again, it could be a real execution, but if so there is a lot of unusual behavior. I certainly believe the fascist Kievan forces capable of it, but there have been a number of fakes which were used by Kiev to say "See? The separatists constantly make up stuff about us to discredit us! Really we are just regular guys". It pays to be suspicious. There is also someone in front of the couple, conspicuously recording the execution on his phone, so the point will not be lost on the finder of the clip. Obviously not the same phone that captured the clip, since it is featured in the video.

Jen, May 22, 2015 at 8:52 pm
I finally decided to watch that video of the militias hanging the couple. The two people seem unusually still before the hanging. The bodies don't move much at all after the hanging and I would have expected also that there would be pelvic spasms from both couples. The pregnant woman's body would have started to expel the baby some time after her hanging yet the soldier holds onto her legs and nothing much happens. It reminds me of that fake crucifixion scene we were discussing in the forums before.
marknesop, May 22, 2015 at 9:16 pm
Also, the guy off to the side is not even watching. He walks back from the truck as if it is all routine and does not even look at the couple. Either they execute people all the time, or it is something they practiced and practiced.

I initially thought the clip cut off early, but in fact it runs for some time and after the couple of little kicks from the man, he does not move at all. It seems very unlikely that they would both be dead so quickly. But maybe I am just looking for things wrong.

astabada, May 22, 2015 at 9:24 pm
Also, the guy off to the side is not even watching.

This could be because it is a fake, but it could also be because it is not the first execution. As I have written above, there is clear evidence that the site has been used for several hangings – even though I cannot say whether they were real or fake.

marknesop , May 22, 2015 at 9:56 pm
What is the clear evidence that it has been used several times for hangings?
astabada , May 22, 2015 at 10:20 pm
On second thought, I am not so sure anymore. Anyway my evidence is:
– the gallows is remarkably well built for a single execution
– the horizontal beam has several marks in the section between the two trees, but there are no marks on the section to the left (hard to judge on the short right section)
– such marks are also present where the ropes are

So earlier I had concluded that the ropes had been placed in different points of the beam (this would be normal if you were throwing a heavy knot over it, because it is rather hard to hit always the same spot). Then a weight has been tied to the ropes (to generate the needed tension) and finally the ropes have been pulled, thus leaving marks on the beam.

At the end of the video there is a close-up where the beam is seen better. I'm curious to know whether it's just my imagination shooting a movie from random tree marks.

marknesop, May 22, 2015 at 10:55 pm
I agree that it's hard to say. But the "gallows" is just a simple crossbeam, no great engineering skill required to throw it up. Whether the hanging is a fake or whether they do this all the time for real, they would have to practice a couple of times; really all you need to do to hang a person is lift them until their feet are off the ground, but the vehicle takes them in one smooth lift right to the bottom of the crossbeam, but not over it. Practice, and I imagine they have a guide mark for the vehicle driver so he does not overshoot. rope marks in the bark are conceivably from practice. They could move the vehicle forward two feet and those hanged would be just as dead.

Everybody involved seems very casual, there is no evidence of tension or of anticipation on the part of the captors. The prisoners do not struggle, but stand passively and appear almost relaxed. There's no sound, so no way to tell if anything is said, but that forces observers to rely on body language, and it looks odd.

The woman's movements bother me, though. That does look real. But she does not draw up her legs at all or kick, and although it does not look like either of their necks were broken (from the lack of change in position of their heads, although admittedly it is hard to tell with a hood on), they seem to die in less time than you could hold your breath.

kat kan , May 22, 2015 at 10:17 pm
HUH??? a womb has to do a lot of serious contracting to expel the contents. If she's dead there is no muscular contraction. All the muscles going floppy won't do it. Even bowel and bladder control is not lost immediately; it may be hours.
yalensis , May 23, 2015 at 3:39 am
Dear katkan:
I just saw your comment, only after I had already written mine.
So bowel/bladder control is not lost necessarily? I did not know that.
That is one of the things I dread most about dying myself – that I will make a mess that others have to clean up.
Jen , May 23, 2015 at 5:30 am
@ Kat Kan: Well I assumed that in this particular situation, the pregnant woman looked as if she was about to have the baby very soon so I thought the body would start to expel the baby with blood supply being cut off to the womb and placenta while the mother was dying. If the woman had been in an earlier stage of pregnancy then things would be different.
yalensis , May 23, 2015 at 3:34 am
I didn't watch the video, I am too squeamish and can't bring myself to watch it, in case it is real. Which I have a feeling it is. Just based on the meta-data of how the video was found. There have been quite a lot of examples recently of people leaving trophey photos and vids on their cellphones. It's the modern way. Just think back to 2008 and all the tropheys captured by the Russian army in Gruzia, when they gathered up the cellphones of dead American mercenaries.

Anyhow, I read all the comments, and I think that one guy makes a good point, that the victims would have lost bowel functions, which happens in real deaths. Although, if the victims were starving and dehydrated, maybe not.

As for the pregnant woman expelling the baby, I don't think that happens right away.
I read about an American murder case where a pregnant woman was drowned by her husband. It was only after several days of floating around in the ocean, the gases built up inside her corpse and expelled the foetus from her womb. The foetus floated away and was found by divers, which helped to solve the case. But they believe it didn't happen right away, the foetus stayed inside her womb until the gases built up sufficiently to expel it. Once the victim is dead, she is unable to push it out using her own muscles.
Sorry for being so graphic…

kat kan , May 22, 2015 at 8:18 pm
DPR spokesman said it was found on the dead infiltrator.
(a) he is lying and it is a DPR fake
(b) he is saying what he was told but whoever brought the phone was lying, and it was a DPR fake done without the spokesman's knowledge, and not found on the dead body
(c) it was found on the body but didn't belong to him and the video is fake
. (i) every infiltrator has such a fake image, in case they're killed/caught with it
.(ii) only this one had a fake, in the hope he gets killed and the phone found, and they're so lucky that the one carrying the phone gets killed
.(iii) one of the 2 surviving infiltrators (still being sought) planted the phone on the body before himself running away
(d) the infiltrator took the video and it's fake (then there should be other copies around, to be released anonymously)
(e) the infiltrator took the video and it is real, and just bad lock he got killed and the video released

No previous atrocity video was released by the authorities; they've all shown up anonymously on youtube, so could have been directly from the faker.

Placing fakes on random soldiers, hoping one gets killed and the phone found, is a very hit and miss method of distributing propaganda that took some considerable work to set up. It can't be placed on hundreds of phones, as if 2 copies are found at once that betrays the fakery.

The Donbass side has no need of such a fake; the West is not looking and everyone else already knows these guys are very bad and don't need further proof.

In WW2 the Brits did once send fake documents to the Germans by attaching them to a dead body, to be washed up on a beach, to make it look authentic. But that was an important misdirection of where a big attack was going to happen, not a low-value propaganda film.

marknesop , May 22, 2015 at 8:37 pm
Yes, all good points. I initially thought it was real, but a combination of things now makes it seem like a fake to me. If two copies were found it might not necessarily expose it as a fake unless they were identical; so long as they were not obviously from the same vantage point, but of the same execution, one would likely tend to validate the other. However, something I did not think about was the likelihood of such a clip being on someone's phone and them not knowing, probably because I am emphatically not part of the cellphone-geek craze – how likely is that, really? People are browsing through the stuff on their phones all the time. And it is hard to imagine someone would carry around such incriminating evidence willingly, knowing it depicted a faked execution.

Does it look real to you?

yalensis , May 23, 2015 at 3:45 am
Dear Mark:
Without having watched the video, for which I am too squeamish, I believe that we have to approach this more scientifically, the way katkan does.
I think asking "Does it look real to you?" is not the right question. We are used to things looking a certain way from watching movies; and sometimes when we see real life it looks fake to us. So that's not the right way to approach this.

Not in terms of our own knowledge of executions and physics and whatnot, of which most of us have no specialized knowledge; but in terms of the evidence itself and how it is authenticated.

I think the logical points that katkan raises about the actual way the video was obtained, pretty much convinces, and I think a court of law would accept that it was authentic, just based on those points, and how the vid was found. Regardless of whether we think we know what it looks like to die in this manner.

Jen , May 23, 2015 at 6:10 am
Real or not, the question remains as to why this video was placed on the dead soldier's cellphone, and if there was deliberate intent behind the placing. Is the video intended to be screened publicly in Russia with the aim of enraging the public enough to put pressure on Moscow to invade the Donbass region or, if Moscow resists, to start Maidan-style demonstrations against Putin?

The video seems to be of a piece with the fake crucifixion video: in each, something that is supposedly considered sacred in Russian or East Slavic culture generally (whether it actually is or not) is being violated. In one video, the central tenet of Christianity is being upended and in the second, the sanctity of the family and motherhood is the subject of attack.

[May 23, 2015] The Failures of Putin's Ukraine Strategy

Neocons are always neocons... They are becoming more reckless with time. The key problem for Washington with Russia position (which is no doubt pretty costly for Russia itself) is that it enable and encourage to say No to Washington's demands other countries making geopolitical domination for the USA a lot more costly. Something like small scale revolt against the USA post-war domination. It also catalyze economic ties of Russia and China (and by extension other BRICs members), making the situation with dollar as world reserve currency and status of IMF more fuzzy...
May 23, 2015 | The American Interest
Nevertheless, Russia failed to deliver the knockout blow last spring, allowing Kyiv to recover and establish firm control throughout most of the country, even its Russophone portions. Moscow retains the military upper hand as the two countries settle into a protracted stalemate in the Donbass, but the Kremlin's strategy must take into account a number of factors that bode ill for Russia in the longer run.

Ukraine has stumbled upon a most improbable ally-Saudi Arabia. In a stark example of the law of unintended consequences, the Russian economy has sustained heavy collateral damage from the Saudi campaign against North American shale-oil production (and secondarily, against Iran). The war of attrition in the Donbass is in large measure hostage to the economic war of attrition in the Bakken formation. This situation, unanticipated by Russia (or anyone else, to be fair) when it invaded Ukraine, appears likely to depress energy prices for years to come, sapping the strength of Russia's economy and hence the country's ability to wage war. A major cataclysm in the Middle East could turn energy prices around, of course, but it is instructive that oil prices have plummeted even in the face of Islamist depredations in Iraq and chronic chaos in Libya-and the loosening of sanctions on Iran would bring even more oil and gas onto the market.

If the Saudi factor was unforeseeable, the Western response to the invasion of Ukraine appears to represent an actual miscalculation by Moscow. The Kremlin no doubt expected something akin to the reaction over Georgia in 2008-some harsh Western rhetoric, a few pro forma sanctions, and, six months later, a proffered reset button and the resumption of business as usual. Instead, Western governments have imposed fairly extensive sanctions and have thus far stuck to them. Sanctions against individuals are largely symbolic, but restrictions on lending are a genuine hardship to Russian companies, especially in the current economic downturn.

The Kremlin has naturally responded with a variety of tactics to undermine Western unity and determination. Above all, Moscow has tried to demonize the United States and present Europe as a co-victim of sanctions imposed by Washington. The Maidan, in the Kremlin's creative retelling, was not about Ukrainian disgust with corruption or a yearning for European standards, but was just cynical American manipulation in order to strike a blow against Russia. The Russian narrative about the U.S. puppet master, of course, glosses over the enormous role played by Europeans in nurturing Ukrainian institutions and civil society over the years, and the influence on Ukrainians of the sheer example set by the transformation of Ukraine's erstwhile socialist neighbors. If Poles, Balts and Romanians can enjoy a modicum of prosperity and good governance by joining Europe, then why shouldn't Ukrainians move in the same direction?

... ... ...

Besides vilifying Washington as the bogeyman, Moscow is understandably hard at work mobilizing any and all European governments and groups that can be used to undermine sanctions. Putin has found a worthy acolyte in Hungary's Viktor Orbán, the man who would be Magyarbashi, and can count on a degree of sympathy from a variety of European leaders ranging from Slovakia's Robert Fico to the new Syriza government in Greece. However, Putin has struck out completely with the individual who matters more than any other: Angela Merkel. If there were any question about the impact of individuals on the course of history, one need only ponder how different the European reaction to Russia's invasion of Ukraine would be if Gerhard Schröder were sitting in the German chancellor's office rather than on the board of Gazprom.

Besides working sympathetic European leaders, Moscow has also cultivated a motley array of right- and left-wing extremists, people often of diametrically opposed political orientations united only by their hatred of Washington and Brussels. However, even where such groups attract a stable portion of their national electorates and can reasonably aspire to enter governing coalitions, they tend to have only a marginal influence on policy, particularly foreign policy. Electoral surprises can happen, of course, but Moscow is unlikely to see much return on its investment in these European groups.

... ... ...

May 23, 2015 at 4:12 am

Russian Fifth Columnists working with Brown Moses and NATO .

Apparently the Fifth Columnists have taken to snooping around graveyards, looking for evidence to hand over to NATO, of Russian servicemen dying in Ukraine civil war.

[May 23, 2015] M of A - Open Thread 2015-22

"...I believe the Sochi meeting occurred because of the price of oil. The US has realized that with Petrodollars being repatriated to the Middle East and the fracking companies going bankrupt due to their inability to pay the interest on their junk bonds, the US economy was going to go into a nosedive and the "too big to fail" banks holding fracking company paper would be looking for a government bailout repeat in a Tea Party environment. "
harry law | May 23, 2015 7:15:44 AM | 3

An excellent article in Salon on John Kerry going to meet Lavrov and Putin at Sochi and having to admit US failure in the Ukraine.

"The Americans were excluded from Minsk-point blank, so far as one can make out. And I love the Times sentence on this in Monday's paper: "Russia, Germany and France previously made it clear that they did not necessarily welcome the Americans at the negotiating table…" It reminds me of Hirohito announcing the surrender on Japanese radio: "The war has not necessarily proceeded to our advantage."

http://www.salon.com/2015/05/19/john_kerry_admits_defeat_the_ukraine_story_the_media_wont_tell_and_why_u_s_retreat_is_a_good_thing/

Albertde | May 23, 2015 9:19:09 AM | 5

I believe the Sochi meeting occurred because of the price of oil. The US has realized that with Petrodollars being repatriated to the Middle East and the fracking companies going bankrupt due to their inability to pay the interest on their junk bonds, the US economy was going to go into a nosedive and the "too big to fail" banks holding fracking company paper would be looking for a government bailout repeat in a Tea Party environment.

The question then becomes which part of the "Deep State Blob" would be dominant, i.e., who really rules the roost? A question the Deep State Blob does not want a public answer to.

Jackrabbit | May 23, 2015 10:23:30 AM | 8

@3 and @5

Lots of false hope about Sochi.

If there had really been serious discussion about a rapproachment in the weeks before Sochi then the West would not have snubbed Russia so completely refusing to join in the Victory Day celebrations.

Also, whether the US was "excluded" from Minsk2 is best surmised from the purpose of Minsk2 and what followed. The US puppet regime got beat badly (again). They needed a halt in hostilities to regroup. Enter Merkel and Hollande with a "European plan" for peace which played on Putin's hopes of creating a wedge between the US and Europe. But Merkel's follow-thru was lackluster.

And, did ANYONE expect that the US would publicly say anything other than "we support peace in Ukraine?" Newsflash: we support peace in the middle east too. And motherhood and apple pie.

As for the substance of the meeting, I think the US wants two things: Russian gas flowing thru Ukraine and to nix the delivery of S-300/S-400 to Iran. The former is a financial lifeline for Ukraine, the later is because neocons (and the corrupt regimes that love them) want to maintain the option of destroying Iran's nuclear facilities.

Q: What was offered in return? (end of sanctions?)

rufus magister | May 23, 2015 11:46:17 AM | 12

Re: guest77 | May 23, 2015 11:07:34 AM | 11

Any discussion of the living dead has to include the corpse of the Ukraine. The NAZombIeS in charge continue to suck the lifeblood out of Banderastan. Aleksandr Rodzhers offers A Few Thoughts About Tomorrow.

In order to avert a default and hryvnia collapse, Ukraine somehow has to obtain $40 billion in order to maintain the convertibility of the current hryvnia supply and another $40 to pay its debts... [The] de-facto insolvent entities include Ukraine's Pension Fund, Ukrainian Railroads, the city of Kiev, Oshchadbank, Ukrainian Export-Import Bank, and so forth.

In order to avoid boring you with calculations, I'll sum up by saying that Ukrainian economy's stabilization requires something on order of $180-200 billion. That's just to keep the economy afloat in its current state. No way would it be sufficient to promote growth....

The country is in default, there are millions of unemployed, while those still working receive miserly wages (I won't even mention the retirees, once there's a default they'll get nothing at all). Officially the crime rate grew by a factor of 6-8. The banking system is collapsing. Production is collapsing and export is dropping by a factor of 2-3. Ukraine imports 42% of its food and moreover the planting season is an outright failure, which implies the threat of starvation....

He goes on to note that insolvency will threaten the purchase of fuel supplies and threaten the movement of goods, further aggravating the economic slide. The junta, instead of fixing these severe difficulties, is "babbling about the visa-free regime, joining the EU... and are preparing to launch another round of fighting on the Donbass."

Think about it hard. You have children who need a future. A future not in an impoverished "not-quite-Third-Reich" which forbids you to think and forcing everyone to wear embroidered shirts, jump, and write assignments on the topic of "how I hate the Moskals"....

Think about it very hard. Do you want your family to live in a country where "heroes" can beat, kidnap, torture, and kill anyone they consider "insufficiently patriotic"?... Do you want to live in a country where more than half the population wants to leave forever (all the while waving yellow-blue rags?). And, finally, do you want to live the greater part of your lives in poverty so that a bunch of fat scumbags could tell you how to correctly love the Motherland?

Ukraine is gone.... One should not revive a corpse, it will only be a parasite consuming its Soviet inheritance, incapable of creating anything new. It's time to create something new, on a new foundation.

He sees three possible futures. "A real revolution... with a complete break with the past and "rebranding" the state in another form, with a revamped Constitution..." Or, the secession of other regions, leaving on the rump of Kiev. And finally, "await the default.... [with] 15-20 years of poverty are guaranteed." He sees the second as the best option. "In any event, as long as Ukraine is being governed by complete failures and criminals of the puppet occupation administration under full control of the US, nothing will change."

But let's not forget our own Congress of the Living Dead. In an ironically fitting metaphor on how the TPP can't stand the light of day, the Senior Corpses of the Upper Chamber apparently passed the Fast Track to Hell legislation last night. It now moves on to the House of Zombies and then to the Zombie-in-Chief.

It's the leaders who are the zombies, bound to the vampires of finance. A few semi-sentient Zombie Masters seem aware we Cogs are More Human than Human. Love that slide gee-tar!

ToivoS | May 23, 2015 12:33:18 PM | 15

Harry Law #3. That is correct, Kerry's comments in Sochi are very significant. It does appear that the US is backing down from it's foolish policy in Ukraine. Not just that but it was accompanied by Kerry's warning to Poroshenko to forget about trying to retake the Donetsk airport. This has to be a major slap down considering that Kerry made the statement in Russia after meeting with Putin and Lavrov.

Ukraine simply cannot continue the civil war without the support of either the EU or the US. This was one of those totally unexpected changes that it has left nearly all analysts in the West mostly speechless and the many of voices sympathetic to Russia unable to accept what happened there. The Saker is an exception to this since he immediately called this out a major retreat by the US. Stephan Cohen also seems to understand it's significance.

This makes it look like there will be a peaceful resolution to the Ukraine crisis. This is not to say the resolution will be orderly for the Ukrainians will have to find a way to defang the neo-Nazi forces unleashed by the Maidan. I suspect Obama himself will have very little to say until the Iranian negotiations are completed. He certainly should not want to stir up the neocons any more than they are now. All in all there is much to optimistic about.

guest77 | May 23, 2015 3:22:12 PM | 20

A criticism of the British NGO "Iraq Body Count", an organization that puts out an extremely low count of the deaths related to the US-UK invasion of Iraq.

http://rt.com/shows/going-underground/260797-iraq-nsa-uk-google/

james | May 23, 2015 3:40:29 PM | 23

@8 jackrabbit.. i agree your viewpoint re the comments @3, 5 and additionally @15..

rufus magister | May 23, 2015 4:00:57 PM | 24

Sadly, Russia Insider confirms the very bad news at 17. From their report:
Of all the rebel leaders, Mozgovoy knew what this war was really about: The gladiator ring; the rich vs. the poor. Until the very end, he advocated for reconciliation between West and East Ukrainians - and putting the oligarchs who ruined their country up against a wall.

May he rest in peace.

I hope this is not Novorossiya's Luxemburg/Liebknecht moment, where the proto-fascist Freikorps removed the most capable of the German proletariat's leaders. Let's hope its more a Benigno Acquino moment, where the Marcos' assassination of their strongest critic lead to their downfall. And that the murderers have sowed dragons teeth among Mozgovoy's lieutenants stepping forward to finish the fight.

An aside to MRW & en1c -- I don't think I'll have much time to play in the tar sands sand box for a bit. Too bad, I was having a grand time.

Noirette | May 23, 2015 5:46:36 PM | 29

Ukraine. Following on from Dener at 17 and others,

Mozgovoy killed (if true): report:

Russia insider http://tinyurl.com/nn5cn9f

His last piece trans. to Eng. at Slavyangrad (May 6, 2015)

In this war there will be no victory. Worthwhile read.

http://tinyurl.com/ofrfp5v

jfl | May 23, 2015 6:16:35 PM | 31

How Russian Industry is Coping with the Crisis

Keep in mind that the main thing our government is doing is organize access to rubles. The US closed our major enterprises' access to dollar credits, and it will pay for it by losing the Russian financial market. Credits will now be issued in rubles, with all the massive benefits to our country that the switch entails. It seems that Washington expected our economy will be "torn to shreds" before de-dollarization progresses too far:

http://ruxpert.ru/Дедолларизация

But now it is wholly apparent that Uncle Sam was slightly naive.

As usual, the neo-con brain trust's lack of a long term prognosis of the effects of its quick fixes results in unintended consequences - which often (always?) are the opposite of their intentions. The split between the ideological clique and the financial clique is responsible for whipsaw effects like 'John Kerry Admits Defeat on Ukraine'.

I imagine that as times get tougher the neo-cons will be the first to go, followed by the military - once the revenue stream there has been completely diverted to drones, to the NSA, and to 'security' from 'internal' enemies.

Chipnik | May 23, 2015 6:57:11 PM | 34

US tracking has peaked since drilling activity is collapsing, and I $I $ success in Iraq and Syria has reduced Iraq (and Libya) oil production, North Sea continues to decline and Russia and Iran production is shut in by Zio-style Long Talks, so all is right is the US/UK/Sunning Axis of power. Greece will default and EUROPE get bailed out by Draghi;, Ukraine will default and I FEEL get bailed out by Kerry; TPP will go through, with 40,000,000 Blue Visa second-Clas servant class and unlimited H-1st Hindu technobots, yes, all is right in the world for Petroshska and Gladtoast.

Anunnaki | May 23, 2015 7:17:28 PM | 36

A great hero fighting against Ukrainian Neo Nazi was killed today

http://thesaker.is/alexei-mozgovoi-has-been-murdered/

RIP

[May 23, 2015] The Original Chechnya Bombers - The CIA, The Saudis And Bin Laden

Zero Hedge
Authored by F. William Engdahl via New Eastern Outlook,

What if Putin is Telling The Truth?

On April 26 Russia's main national TV station, Rossiya 1, featured President Vladimir Putin in a documentary to the Russian people on the events of the recent period including the annexation of Crimea, the US coup d'etat in Ukraine, and the general state of relations with the United States and the EU. His words were frank. And in the middle of his remarks the Russian former KGB chief dropped a political bombshell that was known by Russian intelligence two decades ago.

Putin stated bluntly that in his view the West would only be content in having a Russia weak, suffering and begging from the West, something clearly the Russian character is not disposed to. Then a short way into his remarks, the Russian President stated for the first time publicly something that Russian intelligence has known for almost two decades but kept silent until now, most probably in hopes of an era of better normalized Russia-US relations.

Putin stated that the terror in Chechnya and in the Russian Caucasus in the early 1990's was actively backed by the CIA and western Intelligence services to deliberately weaken Russia. He noted that the Russian FSB foreign intelligence had documentation of the US covert role without giving details.

What Putin, an intelligence professional of the highest order, only hinted at in his remarks, I have documented in detail from non-Russian sources. The report has enormous implications to reveal to the world the long-standing hidden agenda of influential circles in Washington to destroy Russia as a functioning sovereign state, an agenda which includes the neo-nazi coup d'etat in Ukraine and severe financial sanction warfare against Moscow. The following is drawn on my book, "The Lost Hegemon" to be published soon…

CIA's Chechen Wars

Not long after the CIA and Saudi Intelligence-financed Mujahideen had devastated Afghanistan at the end of the 1980's, forcing the exit of the Soviet Army in 1989, and the dissolution of the Soviet Union itself some months later, the CIA began to look at possible places in the collapsing Soviet Union where their trained "Afghan Arabs" could be redeployed to further destabilize Russian influence over the post-Soviet Eurasian space.

They were called Afghan Arabs because they had been recruited from ultraconservative Wahhabite Sunni Muslims from Saudi Arabia, the Arab Emirates, Kuwait, and elsewhere in the Arab world where the ultra-strict Wahhabite Islam was practiced. They were brought to Afghanistan in the early 1980's by a Saudi CIA recruit who had been sent to Afghanistan named Osama bin Laden.

With the former Soviet Union in total chaos and disarray, George H.W. Bush's Administration decided to "kick 'em when they're down," a sad error. Washington redeployed their Afghan veteran terrorists to bring chaos and destabilize all of Central Asia, even into the Russian Federation itself, then in a deep and traumatic crisis during the economic collapse of the Yeltsin era.

In the early 1990s, Dick Cheney's company, Halliburton, had surveyed the offshore oil potentials of Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan, and the entire Caspian Sea Basin. They estimated the region to be "another Saudi Arabia" worth several trillion dollars on today's market. The US and UK were determined to keep that oil bonanza from Russian control by all means. The first target of Washington was to stage a coup in Azerbaijan against elected president Abulfaz Elchibey to install a President more friendly to a US-controlled Baku–Tbilisi–Ceyhan (BTC) oil pipeline, "the world's most political pipeline," bringing Baku oil from Azerbaijan through Georgia to Turkey and the Mediterranean.

At that time, the only existing oil pipeline from Baku was a Soviet era Russian pipeline that ran through the Chechen capital, Grozny, taking Baku oil north via Russia's Dagestan province, and across Chechenya to the Black Sea Russian port of Novorossiysk. The pipeline was the only competition and major obstacle to the very costly alternative route of Washington and the British and US oil majors.

President Bush Sr. gave his old friends at CIA the mandate to destroy that Russian Chechen pipeline and create such chaos in the Caucasus that no Western or Russian company would consider using the Grozny Russian oil pipeline.

Graham E. Fuller, an old colleague of Bush and former Deputy Director of the CIA National Council on Intelligence had been a key architect of the CIA Mujahideen strategy. Fuller described the CIA strategy in the Caucasus in the early 1990s: "The policy of guiding the evolution of Islam and of helping them against our adversaries worked marvelously well in Afghanistan against the Red Army. The same doctrines can still be used to destabilize what remains of Russian power."6

The CIA used a dirty tricks veteran, General Richard Secord, for the operation. Secord created a CIA front company, MEGA Oil. Secord had been convicted in the 1980s for his central role in the CIA's Iran-Contra illegal arms and drugs operations.

In 1991 Secord, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense, landed in Baku and set up the CIA front company, MEGA Oil. He was a veteran of the CIA covert opium operations in Laos during the Vietnam War. In Azerbaijan, he setup an airline to secretly fly hundreds of bin Laden's al-Qaeda Mujahideen from Afghanistan into Azerbaijan. By 1993, MEGA Oil had recruited and armed 2,000 Mujahideen, converting Baku into a base for Caucasus-wide Mujahideen terrorist operations.

General Secord's covert Mujahideen operation in the Caucasus initiated the military coup that toppled elected president Abulfaz Elchibey that year and installed Heydar Aliyev, a more pliable US puppet. A secret Turkish intelligence report leaked to the Sunday Times of London confirmed that "two petrol giants, BP and Amoco, British and American respectively, which together form the AIOC (Azerbaijan International Oil Consortium), are behind the coup d'état."

Saudi Intelligence head, Turki al-Faisal, arranged that his agent, Osama bin Laden, whom he had sent to Afghanistan at the start of the Afghan war in the early 1980s, would use his Afghan organization Maktab al-Khidamat (MAK) to recruit "Afghan Arabs" for what was rapidly becoming a global Jihad. Bin Laden's mercenaries were used as shock troops by the Pentagon and CIA to coordinate and support Muslim offensives not only Azerbaijan but also in Chechnya and, later, Bosnia.

Bin Laden brought in another Saudi, Ibn al-Khattab, to become Commander, or Emir of Jihadist Mujahideen in Chechnya (sic!) together with Chechen warlord Shamil Basayev. No matter that Ibn al-Khattab was a Saudi Arab who spoke barely a word of Chechen, let alone, Russian. He knew what Russian soldiers looked like and how to kill them.

Chechnya then was traditionally a predominantly Sufi society, a mild apolitical branch of Islam. Yet the increasing infiltration of the well-financed and well-trained US-sponsored Mujahideen terrorists preaching Jihad or Holy War against Russians transformed the initially reformist Chechen resistance movement. They spread al-Qaeda's hardline Islamist ideology across the Caucasus. Under Secord's guidance, Mujahideen terrorist operations had also quickly extended into neighboring Dagestan and Chechnya, turning Baku into a shipping point for Afghan heroin to the Chechen mafia.

From the mid-1990s, bin Laden paid Chechen guerrilla leaders Shamil Basayev and Omar ibn al-Khattab the handsome sum of several million dollars per month, a King's fortune in economically desolate Chechnya in the 1990s, enabling them to sideline the moderate Chechen majority.21 US intelligence remained deeply involved in the Chechen conflict until the end of the 1990s. According to Yossef Bodansky, then Director of the US Congressional Task Force on Terrorism and Unconventional Warfare, Washington was actively involved in "yet another anti-Russian jihad, seeking to support and empower the most virulent anti-Western Islamist forces."

Bodansky revealed the entire CIA Caucasus strategy in detail in his report, stating that US Government officials participated in,

"a formal meeting in Azerbaijan in December 1999 in which specific programs for the training and equipping of Mujahideen from the Caucasus, Central/South Asia and the Arab world were discussed and agreed upon, culminating in Washington's tacit encouragement of both Muslim allies (mainly Turkey, Jordan and Saudi Arabia) and US 'private security companies'. . . to assist the Chechens and their Islamist allies to surge in the spring of 2000 and sustain the ensuing Jihad for a long time…Islamist Jihad in the Caucasus as a way to deprive Russia of a viable pipeline route through spiraling violence and terrorism."

The most intense phase of the Chechen wars wound down in 2000 only after heavy Russian military action defeated the Islamists. It was a pyrrhic victory, costing a massive toll in human life and destruction of entire cities. The exact death toll from the CIA-instigated Chechen conflict is unknown. Unofficial estimates ranged from 25,000 to 50,000 dead or missing, mostly civilians. Russian casualties were near 11,000 according to the Committee of Soldiers' Mothers.

The Anglo-American oil majors and the CIA's operatives were happy. They had what they wanted: their Baku–Tbilisi–Ceyhan oil pipeline, bypassing Russia's Grozny pipeline.

The Chechen Jihadists, under the Islamic command of Shamil Basayev, continued guerrilla attacks in and outside Chechnya. The CIA had refocused into the Caucasus.

Basayev's Saudi Connection

Basayev was a key part of the CIA's Global Jihad. In 1992, he met Saudi terrorist Ibn al-Khattag in Azerbaijan. From Azerbaijan, Ibn al-Khattab brought Basayev to Afghanistan to meet al-Khattab's ally, fellow-Saudi Osama bin Laden. Ibn al-Khattab's role was to recruit Chechen Muslims willing to wage Jihad against Russian forces in Chechnya on behalf of the covert CIA strategy of destabilizing post-Soviet Russia and securing British-US control over Caspian energy.

Once back in Chechnya, Basayev and al-Khattab created the International Islamic Brigade (IIB) with Saudi Intelligence money, approved by the CIA and coordinated through the liaison of Saudi Washington Ambassador and Bush family intimate Prince Bandar bin Sultan. Bandar, Saudi Washington Ambassador for more than two decades, was so intimate with the Bush family that George W. Bush referred to the playboy Saudi Ambassador as "Bandar Bush," a kind of honorary family member.

Basayev and al-Khattab imported fighters from the Saudi fanatical Wahhabite strain of Sunni Islam into Chechnya. Ibn al-Khattab commanded what were called the "Arab Mujahideen in Chechnya," his own private army of Arabs, Turks, and other foreign fighters. He was also commissioned to set up paramilitary training camps in the Caucasus Mountains of Chechnya that trained Chechens and Muslims from the North Caucasian Russian republics and from Central Asia.

The Saudi and CIA-financed Islamic International Brigade was responsible not only for terror in Chechnya. They carried out the October 2002 Moscow Dubrovka Theatre hostage seizure and the gruesome September 2004 Beslan school massacre. In 2010, the UN Security Council published the following report on al-Khattab and Basayev's International Islamic Brigade:

Islamic International Brigade (IIB) was listed on 4 March 2003. . . as being associated with Al-Qaida, Usama bin Laden or the Taliban for "participating in the financing, planning, facilitating, preparing or perpetrating of acts or activities by, in conjunction with, under the name of, on behalf or in support of" Al-Qaida. . . The Islamic International Brigade (IIB) was founded and led by Shamil Salmanovich Basayev (deceased) and is linked to the Riyadus-Salikhin Reconnaissance and Sabotage Battalion of Chechen Martyrs (RSRSBCM). . . and the Special Purpose Islamic Regiment (SPIR). . .

On the evening of 23 October 2002, members of IIB, RSRSBCM and SPIR operated jointly to seize over 800 hostages at Moscow's Podshipnikov Zavod (Dubrovka) Theater.

In October 1999, emissaries of Basayev and Al-Khattab traveled to Usama bin Laden's home base in the Afghan province of Kandahar, where Bin Laden agreed to provide substantial military assistance and financial aid, including by making arrangements to send to Chechnya several hundred fighters to fight against Russian troops and perpetrate acts of terrorism. Later that year, Bin Laden sent substantial amounts of money to Basayev, Movsar Barayev (leader of SPIR) and Al-Khattab, which was to be used exclusively for training gunmen, recruiting mercenaries and buying ammunition.

The Afghan-Caucasus Al Qaeda "terrorist railway," financed by Saudi intelligence, had two goals. One was a Saudi goal to spread fanatical Wahhabite Jihad into the Central Asian region of the former Soviet Union. The second was the CIA's agenda of destabilizing a then-collapsing post-Soviet Russian Federation.

Beslan

On September 1, 2004, armed terrorists from Basayev and al-Khattab's IIB took more than 1,100 people as hostages in a siege that included 777 children, and forced them into School Number One (SNO) in Beslan in North Ossetia, the autonomous republic in the North Caucasus of the Russian Federation near to the Georgia border.

On the third day of the hostage crisis, as explosions were heard inside the school, FSB and other elite Russian troops stormed the building. In the end, at least 334 hostages were killed, including 186 children, with a significant number of people injured and reported missing. It became clear afterward that the Russian forces had handled the intervention poorly.

The Washington propaganda machine, from Radio Free Europe to The New York Times and CNN, wasted no time demonizing Putin and Russia for their bad handling of the Beslan crisis rather than focus on the links of Basayev to Al Qaeda and Saudi intelligence. That would have brought the world's attention to the intimate relations between the family of then US President George W. Bush and the Saudi billionaire bin Laden family.

On September 1, 2001, just ten days before the day of the World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks, Saudi Intelligence head US-educated Prince Turki bin Faisal Al Saud, who had directed Saudi Intelligence since 1977, including through the entire Osama bin Laden Mujahideen operation in Afghanistan and into the Caucasus, abruptly and inexplicably resigned, just days after having accepted a new term as intelligence head from his King. He gave no explanation. He was quickly reposted to London, away from Washington.

The record of the bin Laden-Bush family intimate ties was buried, in fact entirely deleted on "national security" (sic!) grounds in the official US Commission Report on 911. The Saudi background of fourteen of the nineteen alleged 911 terrorists in New York and Washington was also deleted from the US Government's final 911 Commission report, released only in July 2004 by the Bush Administration, almost three years after the events.

Basayev claimed credit for having sent the terrorists to Beslan. His demands had included the complete independence of Chechnya from Russia, something that would have given Washington and the Pentagon an enormous strategic dagger in the southern underbelly of the Russian Federation.

By late 2004, in the aftermath of the tragic Beslan drama, President Vladimir Putin reportedly ordered a secret search and destroy mission by Russian intelligence to hunt and kill key leaders of the Caucasus Mujahideen of Basayev. Al-Khattab had been killed in 2002. The Russian security forces soon discovered that most of the Chechen Afghan Arab terrorists had fled. They had gotten safe haven in Turkey, a NATO member; in Azerbaijan, by then almost a NATO Member; or in Germany, a NATO Member; or in Dubai–one of the closest US Allies in the Arab States, and Qatar-another very close US ally. In other words, the Chechen terrorists were given NATO safe haven.

[May 23, 2015] L. TODD WOOD Russia still angry about Serbia

The NATO intervention in the former Yugoslavia is the genesis of Mr. Putin's power. This article is not meant to comment on the morality or appropriateness of NATO's actions, only the consequences within Russia.
May 22, 2015 | Washington Times
L. Todd Wood - - Friday, May 22, 2015

The West frequently asks itself, "Why is Russian President Vladimir Putin so popular? He has harmed their economy. He has stifled the free press. He has destroyed the political opposition. We don't get it." Anyone asking this question exposes themselves to the criticism of short term thinking and a lack of appreciation, or ignorance, of history, even though the root cause of Mr. Putin's popularity happened only 16 years ago.

The NATO intervention in the former Yugoslavia is the genesis of Mr. Putin's power. This article is not meant to comment on the morality or appropriateness of NATO's actions, only the consequences within Russia. Slobodan Milošević presided over a reign of terror in several of the Yugoslav provinces; that is a fact. He used mass media to delegitimize certain ethnic groups and accused them of fascist tendencies, setting up justification for military action. Sound familiar? He turned a blind eye to genocide, especially in Kosovo, and supported ethnic cleansing of Kosovo for Serbia. He was eventually extradited to the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY) and died in prison of a heart attack before the trial was concluded in 2006. In 1999, NATO initiated a 2-1/2-month-long, high-altitude bombing campaign of Serb military targets in Kosovo in an attempt to halt the Serbian ethnic cleansing and mass killings of non-Serbs in the region.

However, under President Boris Yeltsin, Russia vehemently opposed NATO's actions. In fact, Russia vetoed approval for NATO intervention at the U.N. Security Council, to no avail. The Kosovo campaign was the first time NATO had acted unilaterally without U.N. approval. Mr. Yeltsin even leaked that he had ordered Russian Strategic Rocket Forces to retarget their missiles against countries that were involved in the NATO bombing of Serb forces in Kosovo.

"I told NATO, the Americans, the Germans, don't push us towards military action. Otherwise there will be a European war for sure and possibly world war," Mr. Yeltsin barked on Russian state television.

But alas to Russia, she was humiliated as NATO acted with impunity in a former Soviet satellite state. Russia could do nothing; its military at the time, during the economic upheavals of the 1990s, was too weak. Multiple NATO countries, using more than 1,000 aircraft from bases mainly in Italy and Germany, as well as naval forces, NATO flew 38,000 bombing missions over Kosovo. The Serbian forces were forced to withdraw from the breakaway region. Russians have long memories and they never forgot this. This new assertive alliance, acting on their border in any fashion it desired, unnerved the Kremlin.

Many times over dinner with Russian friends in Moscow, the conversation inevitably turns to politics and how NATO acted unilaterally on Serbia. The morality of the question aside, that point of view is right.

Mr. Putin learned from this lesson. When the war in Chechnya flared up, Mr. Putin was quick to take advantage of the situation. He won the war, as well as the second Chechen conflict, brutally and effectively. He understood that Russians want a strong leader, someone who will convey strength to the world and regain Russia's role as a great world power. Mr. Yeltsin's actions to pick Mr. Putin as his predecessor is history.

Now let's fast-forward to the future, to NATO expanding into Eastern Europe, the Baltics and the Balkan states. This action further humiliated the Russian security establishment and the Russian people in general. The tipping point was the threat of Ukraine joining the alliance and the European Union. Mr. Putin had rebuilt the Russian military and was ready for the opportunity and he seized it, Crimea, or Krim, as the Russians call it.

In this one well-thought-out and efficient operation, Mr. Putin touched the humiliated soul of the Russian people and they will never forget it. That is why Mr. Putin enjoys 80 percent-plus approval ratings. That is why Russians will forgive and endure any short-term economic hardship Mr. Putin's Ukraine adventures will cost them. That is why Russians will let go of any democratic leanings they had in the past. Democracy was not pleasant for Russia. Russians would much rather have a leader who makes the trains run on time and can stand up to perceived Western aggression. For as they say in Russia, anyone who wants democracy left a long time ago.

[May 22, 2015] Is It Too Early To Just Call The Game For Putin?

May 22, 2015 | marknesop.wordpress.com
marknesop, May 21, 2015 at 10:22 pm
Oh, dear; violent clashes in Odessa and Kharkov, as The Grauniad admits that those two cities "are deeply divided along political lines, with large numbers opposed to the government in Kiev and in favour of closer ties with Moscow."

Hostility grows toward Kiev; you don't say. They're coming for your fat ass, Porky. Maybe not tonight – just as well, since you're not there – but soon.

Of course The Grauniad loyally announces that all the destabilization efforts originate in Russia, and that bombers and partisans who were captured confess that they were paid. The only true patriots, who don't do it for the money, are honest pro-Kiev Ukrainians. I guess you better crank on some more sanctions against Russia, because they obviously still have too much money.

Meanwhile, in central Kiev, the air is once again perfumed with burning rubber – one of Ukraine's few growth industries – as activists of the "Financial Maidan" protest the plummeting currency and skyrocketing utility costs and lay siege to the Parliament again. The crowd demands Parliament "approves the law on restructuring private loans in foreign currency, which would convert people's debts into national currency at pre-crisis levels." Good luck with that, it sounds like you have a great chance.

The country is coming apart; it's just a matter of time. And not very much time, by the look of things.

yalensis, May 22, 2015 at 2:47 am
The reaction to this Grauniad propaganda was swift and merciless:

http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/thread/1432279960.html

Commenters also pointed out that Grauniad knowingly lied just by posting that starting photo (showing allegedly a nasty and violent looking masked "pro-Russian activist" swinging his pistol in front of Odessa Trade Union building). Commenters quickly pointed out the Odessan Chief of Police, whose face can just be discerned peering over the shoulder of the "pro-Russian activist". In other words, the photo shows the opposite of what it purports, and the Grauniad editor knows this perfectly well, but decided to lie, hoping there are some newbies on their forum, who don't know the story.

PaulR, May 22, 2015 at 5:38 am
Except that there is some reasonable evidence that the then Chief of Police was in cahoots with the anti-government forces, and the people in the photo are wearing St George ribbons, so one cannot say that the Guardian 'knowingly lied' by posting the photo and caption.
yalensis, May 22, 2015 at 3:04 pm
Are you talking about Dmitry Fuchedzi ?
The patsy whom Anton Herashchenko helped to escape?

Please don't make me laugh too much.
The Grauniad author, Howard Amos knows the whole story better than anyone else.
If he thinks those guys standing around Fuchedzi are "pro-Russians", then let him make that claim. He also has to explain his theory of why Fuchedzi was there, and what he was up to.

Jen, May 22, 2015 at 5:39 am
You have to wonder why The Giardia keeps printing propaganda long after commenters have either exposed the lies or migrated to other websites and blogs. The Giardia would be better off turning itself into a British version of the Australian Women's Weekly or UFO Chronicles than continuing to be a front for neofascists while pretending to be something else. New readers probably won't notice much difference.

[May 22, 2015]Ukraine fears spread of separatist conflict amid hostility towards Kiev

Notable Quotes: " I have argued all along that Ukraine's best hope is to smartly play EU and Russia against each other. By passionately siding with EU (that doesn't really want them) they are making a strategic blunder. That's what we are observing." ... "Russia didn't start this crisis, it was started by geo-political morons from EU (Sikorski, Bildt) with assistance from Washington neo-cons. Ukrainians will pay a huge price for allowing themselves to act as extras in other people's geo-political games. And they deserve it." ... 'Russia doesn't want Ukraine. They want the US and EU to pay for that bastardly thing they broke. "...
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Usual crowd of Jezzam, havingalarov, botswans61, Metronome151, Robert Looren de Jongare, Alderbaran, alphmysh, BMWAlbert and several other bots including a couple of newcomers ( AbsolutelyFapulou) are on duty today.
May 22, 2015 | The Guardian

SouthAsianObserver, 22 May 2015 15:02

The Guardian kindly needs to first explain why inflation and utility prices have risen in Ukraine, when:

a) deflation has taken over most of Ukraine's European partners, and indeed much of the world economy; and

b) utility prices tend to move with oil and gas prices, which are one-half of what they were last year.

Both inflation and utility prices should therefore be considerably lower, unless someone in the Ukraine Government (or their pals elsewhere) gets to pocket the benefits that should be coming to the Ukrainian people, and moreover load on another bunch of inflation and utility prices.

Who is pocketing all the money? Once we know that, we may have an inkling of why people in Odessa or Kharkiv are pissed off at the Ukraine Government. Hopefully, The Guardian would do some of its homework. Naughty child.

Beckow -> Jonathan Stromberg 22 May 2015 14:52

"EU are for a large variety of reasons a better place to live"

Sure, I agree. But Ukraine is not in EU. I can equally say that Beverly Hills is a "better place to live", wishes are not reality.

The GDP loss due to Donbass and Crimea cannot exceed 30% since they were less than 15% of GDP before the crisis. So most of the collapse is due to Kiev's policies, loss of trade with Russia and continued corruption.

Since 1991 Ukraine has had 5 governments, most leaning west. Yanukovitch rules for 4 years and was the most pro-Russian, yet even he was pissing of Russia, negotiating with EU and IMF, he saw himself as neutral. What made Yanuk different that he represented Donbass industry. But most of the time Ukraine has been ruled by pro-Western governments, some radically so: Yushenko, Tymoshenko.

You seem to be upset at Russia's policy to protect its own interests and willing to go quite far in getting its way. Well, that's what countries do: US does it all the time. Russia didn't start this crisis, it was started by geo-political morons from EU (Sikorski, Bildt) with assistance from Washington neo-cons.

Ukrainians will pay a huge price for allowing themselves to act as extras in other people's geo-political games. And they deserve it.

John Smith -> atozed 22 May 2015 14:25

The Ukrainian parliament has backed a decree allowing the country to rescind its commitments outlined in the Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms, the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights and the European Social Charter.

Thursday's second reading of the decree was passed by 249 votes in the Verkhovna Rada, 23 more than the minimum required.

John Smith -> Craig Axon 22 May 2015 13:57

No, I am a Humanist and a Paifist so I dont believe in any form of violence or discrimination towards anyone or anything.

If you are what you're claiming how can you support this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTbRfkSOYi0

This started a war together with the Odessa massacre. That happened in Mariupol a year ago, nazi battalions shooting at unarmed civilians on a Victory Day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HZlaXOJhHY

John Smith -> Havingalavrov 22 May 2015 13:05

Yanukovich took a better deal, presented by Russia.

A better deal for who ? For Ukrainians ? ha ha ha ha ha ha......

How things are in Ukraine? Do you know?
I heard that average wage is 120$, it was 300-400$ under Yanukovich.
All bills skyrocketed.

This is from Reuters report:

But German Chancellor Angela Merkel, herself brought up in Communist East Germany, was clear, telling parliament in Berlin before leaving: "We must not create false expectations."

EU chief executive Jean-Claude Juncker said "they are not ready, we are not ready", but added "the process is on its way".

Bummer.

annamarinja -> jezzam 22 May 2015 12:53

Has not Ukraine got notoriety recently for the number of political prisoners? There was also a wave of violence and murder against Ukrainian journalists and opposition leaders. Could you enlighten us what was wrong with the murdered journalist Buzina? And how touching of you to mention the "freedom of discrimination" in Ukraine. Perhaps you have some explanation for the parades of neo-Nazis in Ukraine during the celebration of the Day of Victory in WWII and the harassment of the old soldiers that fought that war against the Nazi collaborators...

EugeneGur -> jezzam 22 May 2015 12:51

No doubt there are equally heartrending stories on the Kiev side.

Why don't you tell us one? I seem to have missed the moment when Kiev was fired upon by the Donbass militia.

Beckow -> Jonathan Stromberg 22 May 2015 12:28

Ukraine has been independent since 1991, so much for your "clutches". They have had pro-West leaders (Yushenko, Tymoshenko, now Poroshenko) for most of the last 15 years. At what point are they going to be responsible for themselves?

The economic trouble is only partially caused by Donbass, the rest of Ukraine is not exactly booming. Maybe 30% Donbass?

Russia is not "Uzbekistan". Actually Ukraine is much, much closer. And so is Bulgaria and Romania. Compare GNP and living standards before sharing your views.

You seem to be an ideologue disconnected from reality. Get over your biases and do some number crunching....

sutjeska -> jezzam 22 May 2015 12:27

You mock Russians for wounded pride, and then move straight into rationalising the Germans murdering their way across Europe for the same? I thought I'd have to scroll further down to find a blatant Nazi apologist. Seems like there's a lot of that going around now.

The thing is, Russians remember what happened when they tried to join Europe - they got NATO breathing down their neck and their country went into an economic and demographic nosedive that they're only just now recovering from.

Beckow -> Alderbaran 22 May 2015 12:23

Yes, it is going Putin's way.

But it was also predictable and thus easily avoidable. I have argued all along that Ukraine's best hope is to smartly play EU and Russia against each other. By passionately siding with EU (that doesn't really want them) they are making a strategic blunder. That's what we are observing.

Beckow -> NoOneYouKnowNow 22 May 2015 12:18

The people in EU are externally represented by their politicians and media - one can only assume that "people" either agree or don't care enough to object.

I have always said that it takes two to lie: the liars and the ones who agree to be lied to. Lying has consequences, this could get really ugly for all of us.


Dannycraig007 jezzam 22 May 2015 11:38

Russia doesn't want Ukraine. They want the US and EU to pay for that bastardly thing they broke. If Russia wanted it they could have easily taken it last year in less than two weeks. The have the best part, Crimea. Those people voted wisely to secede from the new fascist Kiev regime.

Had they not voted in such a manner it is very likely that they too would have been killed like the 7,000 innocent civilians the Kiev regime bombed in Donbass.

Beckow -> Alderbaran 22 May 2015 11:37

"There was no anti-Russian genocide and in general there were few tensions"

Hmm, they are fighting a bloody civil war. I don't think anybody has called it a "genocide". Yet. But "few tensions"?...how about the massacre of Russians in Odessa? How about bombing Donetsk? What exactly is "tension" in your book? You must live in a rough neighborhood.

"I feel that my rights are more likely to be respected under European law than under Russian law"

How is that relevant? My point is that EU needs to respect Russian minorities as much as they respect Catalans, Albanians, etc... If they don't - as they clearly don't - they have no standards, just favorites and enemies. Pretty much any system in history had that, that's tribalism, not human rights.

midnightschild10 22 May 2015 11:03

I wonder if the writer forgot about the separatists being burned to death in Odessa, or the bombings of homes, hospitals, and infrastructure in Southeastern Ukraine cities. Perhaps some of the people realized that when Crimea held its referendum to join Russia, and Russia annexed Crimea no one died. Since Nuland spent 5 billion tax paper dollars on Kiev and the West put in Yatsy and Poroshenko over 5,000 have died and counting. Just a few things to mention to balance the article.

BorninUkraine -> Dannycraig007 22 May 2015 10:44

Welcome to the club! I voted for Obama twice, and I am ashamed of it. As the saying goes, "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me".

Compared to the blatant lies spewed by Western propaganda, even Soviet newspapers look truthful, and that's saying something. Unfortunately, there is a clear pattern.
About 90% of official US statements regarding Ukraine in 2014-15 are blatant lies, and the remaining 10% have the facts twisted beyond recognition. Several thousands died, and counting.

The claims that Iraq had WMDs were blatant lies, and the tube Colin Powell shook at the UN was a fake, containing laundry detergent or something. More than 150 thousand died, and counting.

Alleged by the US government genocide of Albanians by Serbs in Kosovo, used as a pretext for its occupation by NATO and separation from Serbia, was also a blatant lie, as further investigation established. Several thousands were killed by NATO bombing of Serbia.

Tonkin incident used by the US government as a pretext for Vietnam war was a lie. More than 2 million Vietnamese were killed by the US troops.

The statements by US government and media reports about Russian-Georgian war in 2008 were lies. Funnily, on day one the media did not have proper instructions, and reported the reality: Georgia shelled peacekeepers and civilians in Tskhinval, killing quite a few. Then the instructions came and the story was turned around 180 degrees. A couple of years later EU reluctantly "found" that the original story was true, but did not advertise its "findings".

I can continue this list, but what's the point? Any sensible person knows that you can't believe anything US government says. On the other hand, every person paid by said government will try to prove otherwise to justify his/her/its salary.

[May 20, 2015]Video raises concerns over Ukraine's treatment of Russian prisoners

May 20, 2015 | The Guardian

aLLaguz 20 May 2015 11:48

Ukraine war is becoming the new Syria ...
What is it with that part of the world..!? ALL that region is in chaos, from northern Russia-Baltic States, passing from Ukraine, Turkish PKK, to southern Syria - Irak - Palestine - Yemen, even Somalia and Eritrea.... and why ?!
Why ALL that part of the world is always in conflict ?!?!
Is it because is the border of East-West sides of the world ?! That's lame...
Is it because there is SO much money in resources in those parts ?!? That's greed
Is it because a cultural clash ?! That's lame...
Is it because goverments bloody and corrupt regimes ?!
Most important of all, WHEN will it be peace in that part of the world.? What does it take ?! What it needs to be done, we MUST do it ?!
The world is tired of conflicts in that zone, imagine how the people living there feel, its deperate ..

childofmine 20 May 2015 11:47

Is any informed person really surprised by this?

Sund Fornuft -> Chiselbeard 20 May 2015 11:44

How about reasoning like this: In the city we have two types of foreigners. Ones that kill us and the other type that kills our killers. Who should go home? Use that math for every city and you will get the right answer. This is how your holly partiotic war looks like in the eyes of the ordinary europeans. This is why you will never become part of Europe in your current mental tune.

aLLaguz -> TOR2000 20 May 2015 11:34

What the E.U. is saying is: Where is the decentralization? Where is the commitment? Where are the reforms?"

So, what i have learned from this is that, in international politics, there is no such thing as a inconditional help ....
I'll will help you mantain your territory if you help me opening the business from my companies...
If there were good will, EU, US, etc. will be helping Ukraine with no conditions.
Violations of POW's are in both sides, and will not finish, as sad as that sounds ...

anarxist -> careforukraine 20 May 2015 11:33

This is not a line. Russians can be freely discriminated against. All rules have exceptions, well Human Rights and laws against discriminations do not apply to: 1) Russian citizens, 2) Russian sympathisers, 3) Russian backers, 4) Russian anything.

careforukraine 20 May 2015 11:28

Its great that western media are starting to show the true kiev but seriously how many "lines" can kiev cross before the west takes action?
Poroshenko has proven to be untrustworthy at all times,both to the west and to the people of ukraine.
Was killing civilians not a line?
Censoring political beliefs
Banning languages
Banning freedom of speech
Etc etc........
How many lines can one man cross before he is condemned?


BunglyPete -> Chiselbeard 20 May 2015 11:20

As Foreign Policy reports the CIA is in the "killing business" and "effectively answers to no one except the president".

If these are 'spies' working for the CIA, then they could well be involved in such activities.


BunglyPete -> Chiselbeard 20 May 2015 11:09

So there is no possibility that the US could use a person masquerading as an aid worker as a spy? This is completely impossible?

Why should we trust the US after Iraq and Afghanistan? I'm not saying trust Russia mind you, I don't doubt there are Russian soldiers in the Donbass. This doesn't mean the US are suddenly wholesome and trustworthy though.


TOR2000 20 May 2015 11:00

From euphoria to reality: a year after Ukraine remains in political and economic chaos and frustration is brewing. Here are some excerpts from the article in the New York Times (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/18/world/europe/in-ukraine-corruption-concerns-linger-a-year-after-a-revolution.html):

"Poroshenko, whether you like him or not, he's not delivering," said Bruce P. Jackson, the president of the Project on Transitional Democracies, an American nonprofit group. "The Ukrainian government is so weak and fragile that it is too weak to do the necessary things to build a unified and independent state."

The continuing disarray is becoming a source of friction between the Ukrainian government and its European allies, especially Germany and France, whose leaders helped broker the cease-fire and are increasingly frustrated with the slow pace of change.

"We don't have simply Russian aggression against the victim Ukraine," Mr. Jackson said. "We have a predictably aggressive Russia against an unpredictable and unreliable Ukraine. Ukraine is now seen as not to be trusted. What the E.U. is saying is: Where is the decentralization? Where is the commitment? Where are the reforms?"

Chiselbeard -> Andrey Andreevich K 20 May 2015 10:57

Until the separatists or their Russian masters capture US combat forces from battles in eastern Ukraine your argument is baseless. Nobody disputes Russian logistical and intelligence support of the rebels. Allowing "soldiers of fortune" to freely come and go from Russia to combat roles in eastern Ukraine is a different matter entirely. We're the west to match this in earnest we would see this conflict change from a proxy Cold War to a proxy War. If this is a civil war than it should be fought by Ukrainians. If Russian citizens should be allowed to support a side of their choosing then so too should citizens of NATO member states be allowed to participate. And the EU.


Chiselbeard -> BunglyPete 20 May 2015 10:45

You seem to be confused Pete. Allow me to endevour to enlighten you. "Spies" are associated with espionage, or the covert acquisition of data. They are typically directed by intelligence agency's like the CIA or Mosad.

Special forces are elite soldiers, usually hand picked by their superiors from different branches of the armed forces. They are directed by their ministries of defense.

While, often times, so called "spec' ops" forces are used to achieve goals set out by intelligence services, they are not employed in the collection of data as that is within the purview of the intelligence agency.

They are different tools for different jobs. The Russians caught inside Ukranian territory were soldiers. They are unrelated to perceived "spies" imbedded within aid organizations. You are connecting dots that aren't on the same page.

BorninUkraine 20 May 2015 10:44

Amazing!
After Ukrainian Nazis burned people alive in Odessa last year, shot civilians en mass in Mariupol last May, murdered thousands of civilians in Donbass by indiscriminate shelling for a year now, tortured thousands of political prisoners (Ukraine has more political prisoners than Soviet Union ever had in Brezhnev period), murdered numerous political opponents and opposition journalists all over the country, the Western media found an instance when Ukraine violated Geneva conventions? It's like blaming A-bomb for damaging a flower in Hiroshima.

Is there any limit to hypocrisy? Or does anything go, as long as it's paid for?

anarxist -> Chiselbeard 20 May 2015 10:43

Wasn't Angela Merkel just in Russia on a visit? Why don't you feel Germany will be first to lift the sanctions?

Some EU countries have expressed desire to lift sanctions, such as Greece, Italy, Austria, etc... But they are not allowed to. Kerry stated that if EU lift sanctions it would jeopardise the entire concept of sanctions, basically not allowing EU to do this. On the other hand, rules that America imposes on the rest of the world are not necessarily rules they follow themselves. Time will tell, but this is my prediction.

Simultaneously their government protects a violent dictator in Syria

Don't believe everything you are being told by the western media. He was branded evil during the colour revolution season in the middle east. He was fighting against islam extremists. This conflict is more related to Saudi Arabia, gas, energy, money, greed - as usual.

Middle East in general - most countries in the Middle East have better relations with Russia than they do with US. Russia has a lot of influence in this region. As BBC mentions: Ukraine is important, but Iran is more important. US needs Russia to resolve these conflicts.


Solongmariane -> Chiselbeard 20 May 2015 10:38

This is an attack of Washington (and NATO), and Moscow counter-attacked. Both, sent their people. What makes Russia more sympathic, it's the fact that most of the East Ukrainians are "Russ" and neighbours. Even some cupid politicians decided to seccede in 1991, a lot of people of these regios still get Russian-feelings.


anarxist -> BunglyPete 20 May 2015 10:34

I wonder why this article is not available in BBC English

http://www.bbc.co.uk/russian/international/2015/05/150518_us_russia_diplomacy_experts

Дипломатия США-Россия: Украина важна, но Иран важнее

title roughly translated: Diplomacy USA-Russia: Ukraine is important, but Iran is more important


Andrey Andreevich K -> Chiselbeard 20 May 2015 10:33

If Russia is providing troops to the seperatists in eastern Ukraine by simply allowing them an honorable discharge as they cross the border, are they not just as guilty of interference in this "civil war"

US sends their instructors and arms to Ukraine. Does it mean that US has conflict with DPR and LPR?
I believe that Russian soldiers should be there in order to control and keep balance. So that neither Ukr forces nor rebels could win. Poroshenko should understand that it's impossible to win by bombing own citizens. He should follow agreements signed in Minsk. And mainly the term concerning federalization of the country and autonomy to East regions


Chiselbeard 20 May 2015 10:14

What do want to bet their service "ended" in the last six months. If Russia is providing troops to the seperatists in eastern Ukraine by simply allowing them an honorable discharge as they cross the border, are they not just as guilty of interference in this "civil war". They are trained in combat tactics by Moscow and then turned loose on a neighboring country's military.

If they had no affiliation to the Russian government whatsoever their sheer numbers alone would be enough to consider them "foreign hostiles". How many Frenchmen do you think could attack members of the German armed forces before serious diplomatic chaos insued? How long could France hide behind the lazy excuse of "we didn't send them"? If Russia wishes the world to believe they aren't a major instigator in this conflict, they need to publicly condemn participation in the fighting by Russian citizens, especially those with recent military experience. Until such time as the Kremlin sees fit to take this minimal step the rift between them and the developed world will widen and the sanctions will only increase.

anarxist 20 May 2015 10:14

My prediction: The US press is changing its tactics toward Russia, as they need Russia to solve their problems in the middle east. Europe is now confused, not sure how to interpret these signs. The US will be first to lift its sanctions on Russia, which will follow by Russia lifting sanctions on US. Europe will be slow to react. US will start benefiting economically, while Europe gets stuffed...


BunglyPete 20 May 2015 10:07

Nice to see both sides being reported on.

What has been missed by even Russian media for some reason is this from Bloomberg,

Kerry Helped Free U.S. 'Spies' Trapped in Ukraine

The US and the leader of the IRC claim they aren't spies. The problem for me is the leader of IRC is David Miliband, who I don't trust at all.

The timing is very interesting, as it came just as 2 alleged Russian agents were arrested by Ukrainian services, and just before Kerry made the visit to Sochi. My best guess is some deal was made whereby Putin agreed to not make a scene about the alleged US spies. You would certainly expect this to be a big scoop bannered all over RT and Sputnik, but it isn't.

I am noticing a change in the way things are being presented. Here is another Bloomberg article from yesterday,

Nazis Triumph Over Communists in Ukraine

Whatever you think of the article/statement, it's a clear shift in direction from 'Its all Russia guv'. Good to see.


MaoChengJi 20 May 2015 10:03

Ha, RFE/RL goes concern-trolling. Who cares about a stupid video, when neonazi thugs of the pro-Washington regime in Keiv are indiscriminately shelling cities and towns on a daily basis.


Andrey Andreevich K SHappens 20 May 2015 10:02

2 prisoners for more than a year of war. That's a prove of Russian army massive invasion

Babeouf 20 May 2015 10:01

You see this is the trouble with Ukrainian fictions their plots are predictable. Why not try 'Ukraine captures Russian Colonel' or even Russian General or Putin's brother. All you need is someone lying in a bed claiming to be Colonel Youri Popov from Omsk and it will sell to the West's MSM. Who cares if he is tortured can he twirl his mustache.

Andrey Andreevich K 20 May 2015 09:58

Wandering plaster on Yerofeyev's hands
1) http://kor.ill.in.ua/m/610x385/1626299.jpg
2) http://kor.ill.in.ua/m/400x253/1625646.jpg

SHappens 20 May 2015 09:57

Oh finally. Ukraine needs a closer look at what they are up to. After all the atrocities they already committed which are carefully hidden to the public, it was time for a concern. Impunity has its limits.


OldStickie 20 May 2015 09:56

RT has shown their identity documents as policemen from Lugansk. The Kiev militias' use of torture, indiscriminate murder of prisoners and even crucifixion is well documented.

Виталий Седин 20 May 2015 09:46


"Video raises concerns over Ukraine's treatment of Russian prisoners"(c)

Halleluiah! The blind can see the lame can walk!

[May 20, 2015] How Isis is recruiting migrant workers in Moscow to join the fighting in Syria Discussion by Daniil Turovsky

Quote: "Soros & Oligarchy Graun now so desperate as to conflate ISIS with Moscow! You could not but marvel at the timing of it - while ISIS is now de facto Saudi military outlet in Yemen, conflating them with Russia is like claiming SNP is a British unity party."
May 20, 2015 | The Guardian

Marina Fitzpatrick 6 May 2015 03:20

It's funny, when Russians were fighting islam ppl in chechenia we all have been told that russians are evil and those poor chechenian terrorists are freedom fighters. I remember they were bombing subway cars and houses in Moscow and we all have been told that it is a great thing they are doing. So why it's suddenly not so great? Wouldn't it be better if all countries would unite to fight ISIS and Boko Haram instead of quarrelling with each other. And after those two horrid groups will have been dealt with everyone can go back to hating each other like normal again.

Luschnig -> jezzam 6 May 2015 02:39

You seem to know a lot about the private thoughts of the Kremlin . . . truth is all American presidents are war mongers, it's part of the American DNA that developed from a two century plus genocidal war against the independent countries (nations) that stood between White America and its Empire. Very few Americans, especially politicians, are sane enough to live at peace in a non-American world.

ID5868758 6 May 2015 01:44

What's the point of this article? Is it to tell us that the monsters of ISIS have a fertile recruiting ground among the radical Islamic terrorists who hide out in Chechnya? After the massacre in Beslan, I hardly need reminding of the evil residing among the Chechen people, the evil that the US refused to acknowledge as Islamic terrorism because it was the Russian government fighting it, and Saudi Arabia supporting it.

HauptmannGurski -> caliento 6 May 2015 01:16

The gas deals go way back to before the EU. We had Russian gas connected in Germany in about 1970. German policies have always had that component that Russia/Soviet Union must not be brought to her knees for fear of millions of refugees/asylum seekers. As we can see in Ukraine, you can change the regime but you can still end up in s#*t.


hydroxl -> BigBadAmerican 5 May 2015 20:58

Why are these Chechens waging Jihad in Syria rather than Chechnya?

I was wondering that too, Syria is a client state of Russia, so for Russia to allow jihadis to join forces trying to overthrow the Syrian government seems odd. My best guess is that Russia has no more ability to stop people from its territory joining the jihadis than the British, Americans, or French.

The main thing that all four countries should be doing is to never under any circumstances allow them to return.


Rozina 5 May 2015 20:50

This whole article by Daniil Turovsky (who works for an anti-Russia media outlet) lacks analysis and in most parts looks as if it was made up of various anecdotes and interviews all woven into something with a very different purpose from what most interviewees might have desired. Plus it is so long that most people would hardly bother reading further than the first few paragraphs of fluff – which I suspect is part of its purpose.

normankirk -> BigBadAmerican 5 May 2015 20:49

Russia has suffered plenty from those Chechen extremists.. the Moscow theatre siege, the Beslan school massacre. The Americans described these same Islamic chechen terrorists as "rebels" in Time magazine., the "rebels " later bit them in the bum at Boston.

Vaska Tumir -> WishesandHorses 5 May 2015 14:07

Good question, that: who's bankrolling ISIS?

This very newspaper gave us a very clear hint about that in May 2013 when it informed us that the EU had just rescinded its ban on buying oil from Syria.

By May 2013, all of the Syrian oil wells and its few refineries were in the hands of Al Nusra (Al Qaeda in Syria) and ISIS/Daesh. This was common knowledge, a matter of public record.

Thus, at the time the EU allowed its member states to start buying oil from Syria, it did so pressured by those EU countries whose aim was to contribute to the bankrolling of both Al Nusra and ISIS. Since the EU could not have done this without Washington's explicit approval -- most of EU being in NATO -- part of the answer to the question you posed is quite clear, I think.

We still don't know precisely which EU member states have been financing ISIS and Al Nusra by buying Syrian oil from them only because our press has not gone after the EU to find out and inform us of those specific details.

Vaska Tumir -> jezzam 5 May 2015 13:57

A lot of the Nazis were "good Protestants". Hitler has never been excommunicated by the Catholic Church, and only one tiny Protestant church in Germany ever opposed Nazism as an inherently anti-Christian ideology (which it was and is).

A lot of Nazi collaborationists (Croatia, Slovakia, Latvia, Estonia, Belguim, Denmark, the so-called neutral Sweden, etc.) were either Catholics or Protestants.

The only branch of Christianity which staunchly resisted and opposed Nazism were the Christian Orthodox Churches. The case of the Orthodox church in Bulgaria is particularly instructive in this respect. Although the state had allied itself with Nazi Germany -- Bulgaria was officially a Nazi ally -- the Orthodox Church protected the country's Jews and forbade the handing over of even one of them to the Nazis.

vr13vr -> clashcr 5 May 2015 13:17

Why did you assume that guy meant Turkey? Maybe he meant Italy? Or maybe he didn't know geography and didn't mean anything that just a somewhat cool sounding phrase without much of the meaning.

vr13vr -> geedeesee 5 May 2015 13:12

Russia would prefer that the US doesn't create another hot spot, it's just a little too close to Russia. The US has already created enough mess.

vr13vr 5 May 2015 13:04

Reading this article, it looks like the dissolution of the former Soviet Union, which we all cheer so happily, wasn't such a great thing after all. It's hard to imagine any of those former Soviet members would have become ISIS recruiting targets and potentially attack targets under the Soviet Union.

Besides, I need to point out that before the dissolution, there wasn't such a huge economic crisis in those cities, nor there were cruel yet appealing market for migrant workers in Russia.

vr13vr -> Ilja NB 5 May 2015 13:00

And back then, in 2000s and earlier, it was the US and the West that started public campaign and tried to hamstring Russia.

RonBuckley 5 May 2015 12:55

The reverberations of the collapsed empires of the 20 century will be globally felt long into the 21st 22nd and so on. Now to present, first abroad, exactly what prevents US ally Turkey from cutting off everything that sustains ISIS? Surely a few strings could be pulled by the west to force Turkey to blockade ISIS hellhole to finish it off. But no sir. Now domestically, why not shut mosques, ban Islam and deport Muslims to their beloved Caliphate? Nope again. Why? Any guesses anyone?

The clue would be understanding the inner workings of the neocon brain on foreign and domestic policies.


SHappens -> normankirk 5 May 2015 08:59

Glad you could read the article, anyway it will be aired on tv as below.

BROTHERS, a documentary film being developed for Germany's broadcaster WDR – Die Story and Autentic, produced by Propellerfilm, broadcast date May 18th, 10pm (MET).

Jeff1000 -> Ikinmoore 5 May 2015 08:57

The Iraq war had nothing to do with religion. Neither did the Vietnam war. Both World wars, the Crimean war. The American revolutionary war. The Spanish civil war. The Mexican-American war. The war of 1812. The Greek civil war. The Boer war. The Korean war. The American civil war. Religion hasn't been the main cause of a large-scale conflict in centuries. And even in the small ways "religion" was the given reason - like in Northern Ireland or Israel - the real reasons were poverty, cultural oppression and imperialism.

The idea that we'd all live in peace if not for religion is a preposterous fiction touted by aggressive atheists like Richard Dawkins. The only cause of war is power, money and Imperial ambitions - the fact the sometimes the people in power use religion as an excuse means nothing.

nishville -> vorpalblade99 5 May 2015 06:54

Soros & Oligarchy Graun now so desperate as to conflate ISIS with Moscow!

You could not but marvel at the timing of it - while ISIS is now de facto Saudi military outlet in Yemen, conflating them with Russia is like claiming SNP is a British unity party.


Goodthanx -> Jeff1000 5 May 2015 06:44

I was wondering when ISIS was going to become Russia's fault.

Ive heard Obama use ISIS and Russia used in the same sentence that many times, i just assumed the leader of ISIS is Putin and Al-Baghdadi is the Russian revanchist, revisionist homophobe, that has invaded the Euro patriots of Ukraine, with ambitions of forming an 'Anti-U2 Caliphate' in Vilnius.

I should stop listening to the BBC..


WishesandHorses 5 May 2015 06:28

The comments to thus article are so ridiculous that I have given up reading them.

What we should be asking is who is bankrolling isis? If it is the Saudis then we should stop playing silly buggers. How can we be such good friends with the most extremist and dangerous country in the middle east? A good enough reason to drastically decrease our dependence on fossil fuels!

The young men who join isis are mostly very poor and desperate to prove themselves. They make great cannon fodder. Isis can't be stopped by attacking them. They are just patsies. Follow the money!


geedeesee 5 May 2015 05:49

Russia should just let US and UK deal with the problem. Let them foot the bill. Let ISIS get bigger. The more that leave, the better. Russia can sit it out and benefit from the ongoing arms sales to Syria - and soon arms sales to Iran. The West only has a few unresolved conflicts on its hands - Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, Israel, Syria, Yemen, Pakistan. Let them squander more money on intelligence-gathering and drones and interventions. Poland and Lithuania are demanding European countries spend more on defence to protect them anyway. There's lots of lobbying going on in UK as well to increase defence spending.

Let UK divert funds from the NHS. Let USA divert funds from cities such as Baltimore.

Corkboard Smith Mike_UK 5 May 2015 05:44

Thankfully ISIS are not in Africa

Yes they are, but the name ISIS is specific to Iraq & Syria/al-Sham, so they wouldn't call themselves that.

where it appears the whole population is getting on boats to come to Europe for work.

A few thousand out of hundreds of millions. Most of them from a handful of failed states.

Luckily EU MEPs and left wingers are on top of the ISIS threat and not just jumping on the babies are drowning line!

At this point you're just rambling incoherently away to yourself so I'll leave you to it

DIPSET 5 May 2015 05:44

Hmmmmm.........

ISIS are also recruiting in America. Using American citizens at that.

Seattle to be exact is where some of their recruiters are based.

Channel 4 just did a huge expose on this. And have the wholse sordid, inconveniant truth, on their UK website.


Goodthanx clashcr 5 May 2015 05:42

Interesting that the article is copied directly from a publication based in Riga, who's editor does will not disclose who her financial backers are for her venture.

Since when does a western/anglo saxon newspaper, publish blogs as news from eastern european publications without applying so called western journalistic checks and balances to validate the story?

Forget it. who was i kidding.


MaoChengJi QueenElizabeth 5 May 2015 05:31

Western involvement - idiotic though it is - merely hastened the process.

No, I disagree. It's not idiotic at all. The American formula was (and still is) based on igniting and aggravating sectarian hatred, steering sectarian troubles. Then siding with one side or the other, offering support, maneuvering.

Divide and rule, the oldest trick in the book. There is an alternative: national unity of all sects or religions, but it doesn't have a chance when a superpower is working hard deliberately inflaming sectarian tensions.


Olcan85 -> Kaiama 5 May 2015 05:30

1 million Tajik immigrants in Russian. 2000-4000 of whom have travelled to Syria. The problem of Islamist radicalisation is clearly been blown out of proportion


stewfen -> Mike_UK 5 May 2015 05:22

Actually Russia has done a great deal to counter ISIS. They trained Iraq fighter pilots and supplied them with 80 Sukhoi fighter jet aircraft to fight ISIS. Here is a BBC news link where Nouri Maliki Iraq president thanks Russia for their support and says they were delude by American contracts to sell them F35 fighter jets. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28042302


Kaiama 5 May 2015 05:10

I would bet that if Russia cracked down on this migration it would be accused of discriminating against the Tajiks. Central Asia has provided construction labour to Moscow for the last 25 odd years. A great deal of the migration is not legally done and it is easy to see where the attraction of money figures. The real question is where the money comes from. And I doubt that Russia really cares if the Tajiks (or any other Central Asian immigrants disappear off somewhere else).

normankirk -> jezzam 5 May 2015 04:52

oh Jezzam, you're such a bore. Hit me with some facts you're all hot air and insult and no substance.

Yes, I think the US is irrational. how many fronts are they fighting on now?How many unarmed black men are they killing every week?How many people do they incarcerate and execute every year?Drone killing , half the time not even knowing who the victims are. Exceptional?Yeah, exceptionally irrational.

You harp on about Crimea, how much bloodshed?How many deaths?And despite the privations brought about by sanctions, the Crimeans are still happy to be back in Russia. Puyin this, Putin that as if he's some god, give it a break

istanbul11 5 May 2015 04:35

Poverty is the main issue here. People who have no hope for the future being told come and live in Syria promised regular income. Probably they feel being valued and they think that someone realise they exist.

Economic sanctions on Russia, because of the way they handled Ukraine crisis, does not help. It will make Russia weak to deal with IS. Europe should revise this sanction. If IS gets stronger it will not make big difference in America but it will in Europe as IS is able recruit in Turkey.


SoiledNappy16 -> 6i9vern 5 May 2015 04:14

An interesting comment. I also think that The West has little to fear from a resurgent China until China stops sending its brightest to the best universities in the world. Almost entirely the USA and Europe. (But, (gasp!), Israel too.) China cannot develop good universities until it frees its population in the same way that western liberal democracy has freed the peoples of Europe, America and some previous British colonies. (Gasp!). In those WLD, nothing is holy, nothing is above criticism, (Well, maybe Kate's new baby), no limits on offending people either.

Arab and Muslim countries must reform Islam. There is no other way. Arabs/Muslims must realize that when mankind leaves the Earth for the stars, they will remain on backward Earth. Mankind will pass them by. They will remain planet bound to mould on Earth with their allies on the self-hating morally inverted radical extreme left.


PlatonKuzin -> Mike_UK 5 May 2015 04:11

The US, UK, EU do all their best to crash Russia in all respects - sanctions, arms race, info wars etc - not to let it breathe freely and now you ask what Russia is doing to counter ISIS.

You are a VERY VERY interesting guy, Mike_UK. Your logic is beyond any competition!

MaoChengJi 5 May 2015 04:09

...as for Islamic State, let's be clear: this is a direct result - pure and simple, and easily predictable - of the American and NATO meddling in the Middle East in the last dozen years.

Iraq, Libya, Syria - all the same simple schema: crushing the secular government, igniting and aggravating sectarian hatred. So, now we have Islamic State, and yes, it's a problem for Russia, and other countries in the region. Less so for the US and Western Europe. Mission accomplished?


6i9vern -> dropthemchammer 5 May 2015 04:07

There is a link in my post above, but since I'm always accommodating of those with special needs, here it is again:

http://www.indexmundi.com/russia/net_migration_rate.html

rmdashrf -> RobinGoodfellow 5 May 2015 03:50

Don't get me wrong, having a great dislike is too much of an understatement of what I feel for those IS idiots.

But indiscriminate attacks on the local population will not improve things. Apart from the fact that those actions are considered war crimes by civilised people.

Someone civilised, should not stoop to barbaric measures to stop barbarians. That's what created the barbarians in the first place.

Luschnig 5 May 2015 03:29

ISIS is recruiting not only in Russia but everywhere where there are Muslims. Thankfully the majority of Muslims in Russia like in other countries turn a deaf ear to the recruiters. But enough, poor and rich, educated and ignorant, are tempted by the promises of the Caliphate that ISIS has become a real danger to most countries.

Unfortunately the thug president in Washington, instead of wholeheartedly fighting ISIS, is waging a stupid neocon vendetta against Moscow and Damascus therefore weakening the struggle against the Caliphate.

plasticsurgery -> Mr_Mouse 5 May 2015 03:24

Who opened up the physical space that IS operate in by fatally undermining the security and infrastructure of Iraq - a major and important regional state?

Where is the money and logistics coming from to prosecute such high intensity warfare and for what strategic end?

And this is just the basic obvious stuff - it gets much more complicated than this if you spend some time on the subject - so please - be off with your simplistic nonsense.


oleteo -> Mr_Mouse 5 May 2015 03:23

Lybia was a prosperous islamic state. Now there are gangs of terrorists fighting for power.Citizens are trying to rescue themselves in Europe. The state was destructed under the flag of democracy and freedom

MaoChengJi 5 May 2015 03:19

Should Russia take a cue from Europe and start drowning immigrants in the sea somewhere?


6i9vern 5 May 2015 03:08

Since the fall of the USSR literacy levels in Tajikistan have fallen from around 90% to below 50% - from near European to Indian levels, and heading for Pakistani and, perhaps, Afghan levels.

It is a rare thing in human history for literate parents to raise illiterate children. It happened when the Western Roman Empire fell, during the Islamic and Mongol conquests of Persia and India. That tells us something of the scale of the catastrophe.


ID1387159 5 May 2015 02:47

Why did the Guardian mistranslate the headline of the Paik newspaper in the illustration? It does NOT say 'Nursat Nazarov calls on Tajik religious figure Hoji Mirzo to come to Syria'. The headline says 'Terrorists ask Hoji Mirzo to come to Syria.' The story might have explained more, and the translation might be from the story (too small to read) but it is not the headline.

normankirk 5 May 2015 01:35

Maybe now its time for Washington to realise that Russia should be an ally instead of attempting to weaken it and go for regime change. A weakened or worse, destabilised Russia would not be able to deal with extreme elements and control vulnerable borders

There are also Chechens fighting for the Ukrainian army, 2 recent articles by the Intercept report, veterans of the war against Russia, armed by Kiev and funded by the likes of Kolomoisky.

These same Chechens have also fought in Syria, according to Marcin Mamon, a reporter for the Intercept who spent time with this group in Ukraine.

[May 20, 2015] Russia bans undesirable international organisations ahead of 2016 elections

May 20, 2015 | The Guardian

Russia's parliament has passed a law banning "undesirable" international organisations, raising fears of a further crackdown on voices critical of the Kremlin.

According to the legislation, the prosecutor general and foreign ministry can register as undesirable any "foreign or international organisation that presents a threat to the defensive capabilities or security of the state, to the public order, or to the health of the population".

Blacklisted groups will be forbidden from operating branches or distributing information in Russia and banks will have to notify the prosecutor general and justice ministry of any financial transfers involving them. Although the language of the threat posed was vague, the bill's authors suggested that international NGOs often work in the interests of foreign intelligence agencies.

[May 19, 2015] The Worrying Rise of Anti-China Discourse in the US By Dingding Chen

May 16, 2015 | The Diplomat

Forget U.S. patrols in the South China Sea. This is the real threat to U.S.-China relations.

There is no doubt that U.S.-China relations are entering a new period of tensions given reports that the United States is considering the possibility of sending naval ships and planes to challenge China's sovereignty in the South China Sea. This U.S. move, if realized, is certainly provocative and has the potential to lead to a clash with Chinese ships and planes.

So far a lot of analysis has focused on the possible motivations behind the U.S. move and the possible consequences thereof for China-U.S. relations and Asian security. Almost all would agree that this move, whether right or wrong, is a risky one and worrying indeed.

To better understand this particular military move, one has to understand the larger background for all of the current developments in China-U.S. relations. This larger background is the new, rising anti-China discourse in various circles of the United States, including the government, academic, policy, and certainly military spheres. Three types of anti-China discourses stand out.

  • First, there is the new 'China collapse' theory. This theory is not totally new and largely came to the fore after Gordon Chang popularized it in his 2001 book. This new round of 'China collapse' discourse, however, is led by an influential China expert, David Shambaugh of George Washington University. In his March article published in the Wall Street Journal, Shambaugh predicted that the end game of the Chinese Communist Party has already begun. What is most interesting about Shambaugh's new prediction is his past praise of the CCP and China as a resilient power. Later, Shambaugh argued that he was disappointed by a series of CCP moves, particularly under Xi Jinping's leadership. He was expecting a more liberal and democratic China, but he obviously does not think that is possible anymore. Of course, there are other types of 'China collapse' theory, focusing on different aspects of China's pressing problems such as social grievances, environmental pollution, inequality, corruption, and so on.
  • Second, there is lots of talk about China as a regional bully and how China is trying to push the United States out of East Asia. As a big country, it is natural for China to be viewed as a big bully in Asia in the eyes of smaller nations. And China's territorial disputes with some of them certainly do not help. All these concerns on the part of smaller nations are understandable. Although the U.S. has repeatedly emphasized that it maintains a neutral position with regard to the territorial disputes, China does not buy it. And despite China's repeated pledge that it is not trying to push the U.S. out of Asia, the U.S. simply remains unconvinced. This is truly unfortunate - the lack of trust between the two has prevented them from assuming the best of each other. From the U.S. perspective, a growing China and a stable authoritarian regime cannot be a good thing for U.S. leadership in Asia. Many U.S. policymakers simply do not believe that an authoritarian regime can maintain peace and stability; worse, an authoritarian China might be an expansionist power after all.
  • The third and most disturbing new discourse is the 'punishing China' discourse. It comes in various forms. One recent report from the Council of Foreign Relations argues that China needs to be balanced. Perhaps the message is that China, after all, is just another Soviet Union and it is now time for the U.S. to face the reality by firmly balancing China. Otherwise, China will dominate Asia one day. Another more radical report by two right-wing leaning scholars calls for a new 'peaceful evolution' approach to China. These scholars Dan Blumenthal and William Inboden, argue that the U.S. should actively assist those Chinese people who fight for democracy and freedom and in so doing the CCP would be brought down - hence, peace and stability for Asia.

One can debate how much real policy influence such radical discourses have on U.S. government policy toward China. Judging by recent tough comments by U.S. military officials, things do not look good. Maybe this is indeed a 'tipping point' for China-U.S. relations, after more than 30 years of engagement. Is the U.S. adopting a containment strategy toward China now? One cannot say that with confidence. But if this radical anti-China discourse is allowed to grow, we might enter a new era of containment politics in China-U.S. relations. That, as John Mearsheimer famously put it, is indeed a tragedy in great power politics.

Liars N. Fools

I occasionally attend academic conferences in which there are Chinese participants. And usually some if not all of the theories about China -- collapse, Asia for Asians, balancing, punishing-- are discussed. One feature has been free wheeling, transparent discussions by all non-Chinese participants and only rigid presentations by the Chinese.

My advice to Chinese participants in international conferences is that if you do not want to be laughed at, do not make laughable arguments. "The nine dashed line is a valid assertion of sovereignty because nobody objected when it was published by the Republic of China. There is no need for discussion because it is our territorial sea, reflecting our presence since time immemorial." Puh-leez. Low quality argumentation is low quality argumentation and becomes worse when China acts provocatively on its dubious claim. China makes America a lot more friends when China acts this way and its scholars look like stooges when most are in fact pretty smart people.

Then there is the ASEAN-related code of conduct in the South China Sea. China agreed to it before, but does not like it now. What is the explanation? From Chinese scholars, one gets prevarication and avoidance. This is hardly a stance that raises China's credibility as a rule abider. What about a multilateral approach to disputed territory? China once said that was OK but now says that all such issues are bilateral only. When parties want to invoke international legal mechanisms, China becomes belligerent and threatening. Does this attitude enhance its reputation as a promoter of the commons or does it paint China as a bully? We are not a bully, says China's hapless conference participants only to then recite a bully's argument of principled core interests.

Xia > Alexandre Charron-trudel

Let's not forget that it was the ROC under KMT that introduced the dash lines in South China Sea, and back in the days of Roosevelt proposing the "Four Policemen" it was still 11 dash lines. If the CCP fails to project itself in front of the Chinese public as a power that is capable of defending the Chinese territory that the ROC once held, then it would loose out popularity to the KMT on Taiwan and see its grassroots support base threatened.

ltlee1 > James Sword

Actually, the more they know, they more they realize Western democracy is an inferior good. You could ask me for details.

Mishmael > James Sword

Oh good.

"We are right because the people who disagree with us are not capable of being right."

Ive always suspected Americans of limited argumentative skills, and here is the proof.

Malaysian Expat > James Sword • a day ago

Not all of them went abroad get enlightened.

In fact, the process of self radicalization to Han Chauvinism happens to many overseas born Chinese.

A Chinese > Alexandre Charron-trudel

Chinese puts the American hypocrisy into test as every nation with integrity and critical thinking should do by pointing out the obvious of the American fallacies.

It is shameful that Canadian is flattering American megalomaniac and suppressing the freedom of speech, it demonstrates Canada is a USA lackey that is proud of licking USA's behind by ignoring freedom of speech and democracy, Canada is not trustworthy and a warmonger accomplice,

The world despise Canada's hypocrisy, and they exclude Canada from UNSC for the last thirty years as punishment; the world should also exclude Canada from any meaningful international forums for good, the world does not need such lackey to pollute the freedom of speech environment that dares to expose the ugly face of the Empire of Chaos and shame it publicly like the Chinese did.


[May 19, 2015] US Taxpayer On The Hook As Ukraine Prepares Moratorium On Debt Repayments, Increases Military Spending

Zero Hedge
It appears, thanks to the generous backing of US taxpayers, Ukraine is about to get its cake and eat it too. On the same day as Ukraine's government unleashes a bill enabling a moratorium on foreign debt repayments - implicitly meaning default "in case of an attack from dishonest lenders" - the defense ministry unveils a plan to increase military spending by 17 billion hryvnia this year statuing that will "make efforts to find possibilities to finance needs" to secure country's defense. Ukraine bonds are tumbling.

Military Spending is set to surge...

10 agencies, including Defense Ministry, that oversee defense and law enforcement asked Finance Ministry to increase defense spending by 17b hryvnia this yr, ministry in Kiev says on its website.

Finance Ministry will "make efforts to find possibilities to finance needs" to secure country's defense.

Higher spending is needed because of increased army personnel.

But foreign debtors are set to lose... (as RT reports)

Ukraine's government has submitted to parliament a bill that allows the introduction of a moratorium on foreign debt payments. The moratorium is to protect the assets of the state and the state sector in case of an "attack" from dishonest lenders.

"To protect the interests of the Ukrainian people, the Ukrainian government today has introduced to the Rada a bill that would give the government the right to suspend payment on Ukraine's external debts and publicly guaranteed debts. In case of an attack from dishonest lenders on Ukraine this moratorium will protect the assets of the state and the state sector," a statement on the Cabinet website said Tuesday.

The moratorium "will not affect domestic payments and will not affect the stability of the banking system," the UNIAN news agency said citing s source. In also said the moratorium does not include debt to the IMF, the EBRD and other institutional creditors.

The Cabinet said the moratorium will not affect the bilateral and multilateral obligations of Kiev.

And Ukraine bonds are tumbling...

Specifcally (as Bloomberg reports),

The eastern European nation is seeking permission to hold off on paying coupons, the first of which coming due is a May 21 payment of $33 million on a $1 billion note maturing in November 2016, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. Ukraine said cutting its debt burden is a question of justice, according to an e-mailed statement on Tuesday.

"This is a logical next step to show people they are serious," Dray Simpson, the London-based managing director of emerging markets at Cantor Fitzgerald Europe, said by e-mail on Tuesday. "Up to now there has been a lot of talk and very little action and any confrontations have been won by creditors. If Ukraine are going to reverse that trend they need to be firm."

Time is running out for the country and its bondholders to reach an agreement as a June 15 International Monetary Fund deadline for the restructuring approaches. Failure to strike a deal puts the next tranche of a $17.5 billion IMF loan at risk for Ukraine as it struggles to keep the economy afloat following a yearlong conflict with pro-Russian separatists in the nation's east.

STP

Funny, Nuland actually in Russia!

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/18/us-russia-usa-nuland-idUSKBN0O30RQ20150518

"A visit to Moscow by U.S. Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland is a sign that relations between Russia and the United States may be improving, the Kremlin said on Monday.

Nuland's trip comes days after U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry discussed the conflicts in Ukraine and Syria with Russian President Vladimir Putin and Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov in the Russian Black Sea resort of Sochi.

Asked if Nuland's visit was a sign of improving ties, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters: "Yes, when President Putin was meeting with Minister Lavrov and Secretary of State Kerry ... it was mentioned that a closer dialogue ... was needed."

Nuland, who was holding talks in Moscow with two Russian deputy foreign ministers, has been strongly criticized in Russia in the past over her support for pro-democracy activists in Kiev during mass street protests that toppled Ukraine's pro-Moscow president Viktor Yanukovich in February 2014.

Nuland was expected to explore ways of bolstering a fragile ceasefire in eastern Ukraine between Ukrainian government forces and pro-Russian separatists and of implementing other aspects of a peace agreement forged in Minsk several months ago.

Russia blames the crisis in Ukraine on what it sees as heavy-handed meddling by the United States in a region Moscow has traditionally seen as its sphere of influence.

The West, in turn, accuses Russia of backing the separatists with weapons and troops, charges Moscow denies. More than 6,100 people have been killed in the conflict since April 2014.

The Ukraine crisis has plunged relations between Russia and the West into their worst crisis since the end of the Cold War, but the United States needs Russian cooperation to tackle a host of other global issues including Iran and the Syrian conflict."

Maybe she brought some cookies with her too.

farflungstar
I bet she feels like a fat stupid cunt with egg on her face. I wonder if the Russians could keep from laughing at her. Another AmeriKan fantasist, operating from the playbook in her head, where reality only intrudes sporadically, usually with the aid of a monster vibrator ya gotta kickstart.

Looks like a bunch of sissy twats saw the V-Day parade in Moscow and realized the Russians weren't fucking around.

HowdyDoody
Yet another source of victimhood for Nudelman.
Freddie
Oh this is also Soros, Crown-Krinsky, Bloomturd, the Neo Cons like McCain and Neo Liberals like Schumer.

The US Govt is totally Z-evil and Z-owed.


Anglo Hondo

"moratorium on foreign debt repayments". Is this what Greece should be doing? And why not?

mog

It is also holding two Russian ex military who are apparently being brutally tortured.

It has reneged on Minsk 2.

It has resumed shelling on Denesk civilans killing anf injuring.

Where is the outrage in the Western media?

The west has now lost any moral authority it may ever have had.

Its a bully, a liar, murderous and thieving, pouring out propaganda and poison.

That we have sunk to that?

Most of the third world is better than this.

Winston of Oceania

Funny they did not mention quitting the Russian special forces when questioned and are being visited by the Red Cross...

http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-fg-ukraine-russia-soldiers-captur...

HowdyDoody

Russian special forces using a rifle? Sure.

oudinot

ZH is behind on this: the US has given up on their Ukranian military adventure.

http://rinf.com/alt-news/featured/obama-gave-up-on-ukraine-press-simply-...

Mike Masr

Thanks to "Fuck the EU" Nuland and Obama's neocon pals, in the Ukraine we have another Iraq and Libya on our hands! This time ISIS hasn't taken over but Banderist Nazi's. And this time we are openly committing US tax dollars to fund the evil fucking jerks.

On February 22nd, 2014, Euromaidan kicked out not only a democratically-elected president, but a democratically-elected government. It waited three months before holding elections for a new president and 8 months for parliamentary elections. By that time the extremist Dmitry Yarosh Nazi element had already taken a stake way beyond electoral control – neo-Nazi Svoboda Party, despite scoring less than 5% in the parliamentary elections sits in the Ukraine's parliament and regularly sends fighters to the front. The leader of the neo-Nazi terrorist group Pravy Sektor Dmitry Yarosh who polled less than 1% in the presidential election and on Interpol's wanted list is now an official aide to to the Ukrainian military.

The Ukraine is DEAD and there is absolutely nothing that the US Government can do to change this.

http://novorossia.today/10-reasons-ukraine-is-dead/

And, we are now doing a rerun of Ukraine's Maidan in Macedonia to stop Gazprom's Turkish Stream project! More US Tax dollars hard at work!!!

http://rt.com/op-edge/259541-macedonia-unrest-west-russia-pipeline/


Freddie

Donetsk heroes victory parade with Motorola (1:20) and Givi (at 2:09). Zakarchenko was there as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwAhyBJiag8

Compare thesse heroes to NeoCons like McCain who with his dad killed more American sailors on the USS Forrestal and USS Liberty than the Russians ever did. The Russians were the first to arrive on scene to try to save dying sailors on the USS Liberty. McCain's old man and zip LBJ told F4 Phantoms to return to carriers and sailed SLOW to the aid of the USS Liberty hoping all survivors were dead.

My only complaint with Donetsk (DPR), LPR and Russia - get rid of that Stalin and communist imagery. Stalin was a mass murderer Georgian and stooge along with Lenin. They both worked for the Bolsheviks of the New York City, london and German bankster red sheild zios plus American elites who back ed the commies and nazis for $$$$$ and power.

oudinot

Well reasoned Mike Masr, thank you.

HowdyDoody

Borislav Bereza, a leader of the Far right neo-nazi Pravi Sektor is Jewish and proud of it.

http://tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/187217/borislav-bereza

gcjohns1971

When Obama said, "Yes we can" he proposed that as an answer to many questions...

Like "Can we end corporate welfare?", "Can we end foreign wars?", "Can we close Guantanamo and once again respect human rights?"

Not surprisingly they were all lies.

Of course, being politicians, there are always the unspoken, yet constant, eternal questions that apply:

"Can we extinguish your retirement on Hookers and Blow?"

Yes we can.

"Can we fool you stupid fuckers one more time with outrageous claims of Nirvana following our election?"

Yes we can.

"Can we buy ourselves international money, power, and influence with your children's milk money?"

Yes we can.

Winston of Oceania

Because Russian taxpayers are financing the Russian's slow invasion of Ukraine...

http://www.latimes.com/world/europe/la-fg-ukraine-russia-soldiers-captur...

Mike Masr

Russia's invasion of the Ukraine is laughable. What about the regime change orchestrated by Washington?

If I lived in Donetsk and spoke Russian why would I want to be controlled by the illegal, U.S.-funded junta in Kiev, instituted by political organizations given five billion dollars by Washington, as revealed by "fuck the EU" Victoria Nuland.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CL_GShyGv3o

Ukraine was broke, and political parties and organizations were vastly financed by foreign nations, (US & EU) which then encouraged them to foment a coup.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&x-yt-ts=1422503916...

The junta in Kiev then illegally deposed the democratic president, and then illegally deposed all of its governors.

Russia's slow invasion of Ukraine is a joke. It's Russian speaking Ukrainian people in Eastern Ukraine not wanting any part of the Junta in Kiev!

farflungstar
It's so laughable. The NPR slurping idiots always seem to forget that convenient fact when they sputter about the USSA being "obligated" by treaty to keep the Ukrainian "territorial integrity" intact.

Once you violently chase the democratically elected President from office and put on a show election with your puppets who glorify people like Bandera, threaten to nuke the Eastern Moscals and take out Russian as one of the main languages, all bets are off.

And if Russia REALLY invaded the Ukraine, we would all know about it without MSM gossipy bullshit:

Top Ten Telltale Signs Russia Has Invaded the Ukraine

http://cluborlov.blogspot.ru/2014/08/how-can-you-tell-whether-russia-has...

farflungstar

Reasonable, considering what the US and her EU pups are doing on the other side. AmeriKan arms and trainers, foreign mercenaries filling out the ranks of Ukrainian army because everyone else is leaving the country to avoid conscription.

The Ukraine - overhyped and grabby fascist faggots with no economy. Meanwhile, the Ukrainian junta shells civilian areas and where is the LA Times then? One-sided lying MSM pukes. Drugs aplenty to make people think the Ukraine would be allowed to evict the Russian navy from Crimea, or join NATO and threaten Russia from the Black Sea. More Obama-inspired wishful thinking: We do not see things as they are, but how we wish them to be.

Enjoy your debt colony.

Youri Carma

U.S. provides $1 billion in loan guarantees to Ukraine
18 May 2015, by Greg Robb - Washington (MarketWatch)
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-provides-1-billion-in-loan-guarantees-to-ukraine-2015-05-18

The United States on Monday gave the green light to a new $1 billion loan guarantee agreement for Ukraine.

In a statement, Treasury Secretary Jacob Lew said that Ukraine continues along the path of economic reform and that the loan deal is designed to support the war-torn country.

"Ukraine has taken critical reforms already, and its commitment to making a decisive break with the corruption and stagnation of the past is clear," Lew said.


Mike Masr

MORE U.S. MONEY TO FLUSH DOWN THE TOILET

The Donetsk and Lugansk People's Republics, are never returning. The ragtag Ukrainian forces using antiquated Soviet hardware haven't taken back any territory since July of 2014, they've only lost a lot of personnel and territory. DPR and LPR forces have consolidated lines, and if there is movement, it will only be to take more of Donbass – currently they have around 1/3 of the region which once produced 80% of all Ukraine's coal, but from which the DPR and LPR do not supply to Ukraine any more, while industrial production in the rest of the former industrial heartland of Donbass has mostly ground to a halt. Ukraine's debt is over $80 billion – soon set to hit $100 billion, and with a sinking GDP. An agreed recent IMF bailout programme of $17.5 billion would only scratch the surface. By conservative estimates Ukraine's economy shrunk by 7.5% in 2014. Estimates for this year range from 6% to over 20%. European governments pledge support, meanwhile European businesses withdraw en mass, hundreds have already left the Ukrainian market, most of the 600 German firms operating in Ukraine are conducting an audit to decide on withdrawing from the market. Russia's trade with the country which was Ukraine's leading export and import parter is understandably decimated, Ukraine's economy is stricken, and will only go down the toilet. 1 Billion in loan guarantees is too little and too late!

Normal life is almost impossible in Ukraine. Inflation in Ukraine is at a whopping 272%, the hryvnia's value is now less than 40% of what it was. Inflation has skyrocketed, salaries have collapsed, businesses across Ukraine have closed. In short, people don't have any money in Ukraine anymore – sales of new cars are down 67% on the year – production of cars down 96%, 46 banks declared insolvency in the last year.

As for the eternal thorn in Ukraine's side, corruption, which apparently was so pressing an issue and one of the defining aims of Maidan – is even worse now than it was before.

Greg Robb - Washington (MarketWatch) story suggests that Jacob Lew must have drank too much of Obama's Kool Aid and released news written by Kiev's government propagandists!!!

oudinot

I agree with you Mike but I do think, cynically, that Washington's policy worked out.

This whole thing started when the Ukraine rejected a free trade deal with the EU. Russia was their best choice for trade for mostly practical reasons as Russia is their biggest trading partner(don't forget the EU wanted the Ukraine to meet EU standards before exporting which meant costly re tooling which the Ukranians couldn't afford but the US and Germany could buy in at 5 cents on the dollar, I mean Hryzinia or whatever)when all hell broke loose.

Yes, the US putting in the Ukranian political roster and calling the plays from the sidelines where the Ukraine fought two offensivse and are now econmically, politically, morally and militarily defeated.

Then the US hangs them out to dry.

Why not?

The US and its allies demolished the Ukranian economy so that it hurt trade with Russia, got sanctions against Russia which further withered the trade with EU and the US grabbed 33 tons of Ukranian gold reserves that disappeared in the NY and reappeared in Belgium while US left a pile of dung on Putin's doorstep.

Shit happens.

Good thing all the Clinton donors traded their US Fiat loans for real stuff

[May 19, 2015]Why Soldiers Lie

May 18, 2015 | The American Conservative
Since the year began I have had opportunities to visit several American military units and schools. What I found was encouraging. A growing number of officers and staff NCOs accept the painful fact that we have lost two wars. They know we need to change if we are not to lose more. Finally, they have come to understand that their services' senior leaders, their top generals, do not much care about winning or losing. To them, military defeat is irrelevant because the money keeps flowing. The only war the generals care about is the budget war.

The senior military leadership is facing a crisis of legitimacy and does not know it. As one Marine officer put it to me, the generals seem divorced from reality, powerless, and risk-averse. The problem is less what they do than what they do not do, namely address the reasons for our defeats. The dissatisfaction with the senior leadership is coming not only from junior officers. I found it now goes up to the ranks of lieutenant colonel and even colonel.

Nor is the evidence merely anecdotal. The U.S. Army War College's Strategic Studies Institute in February published a study by two of its faculty members, Leonard Wong and Stephen J. Gerras, Lying to Ourselves: Dishonesty in the Army Profession. Its conclusion, that many Army officers routinely lie to "the system," is no surprise to anyone who knows our military. (The phenomenon runs across service lines.) What is more interesting is the study's finding as to the cause of institutionalized lying: "the suffocating amount of mandatory requirements imposed upon units and commanders."

Who imposes this burden? Mostly the generals, who appear neither to know nor to care that they are laying on more training and reporting requirements than there is time to meet. Their only concern is covering their own rears. Unable to do as ordered and unwilling to risk their careers by telling their superiors the truth, officers deal with the problem by lying.

The study's authors do not mince words:

The Army as a profession speaks of values, integrity, and honor. The Army as an organization practices zero defects, pencil-whipping, and checking the box. Army leaders are situated between the two identities-parroting the talking points of the latest Army Profession Campaign while placating the Army bureaucracy or civilian overseers by telling them what they want to hear. As a result, Army leaders learn to talk of one world while living in another. A major described the current trend:

'It's getting to the point where you're almost rewarded for being somebody you're not. That's a dangerous situation especially now as we downsize. We're creating an environment where everything is too rosy because everyone is afraid to paint the true picture. You just wonder when it will break, when it will fall apart.'

The larger problem, again, is less what the generals do than what they do not do. They preside smugly over a cluster of institutional disasters, like so many Soviet industrial managers-which is what most of them are.

Angry officers demanding change provide one wing of a potential new military-reform movement, one that might succeed where that of the 1970s and '80s failed. But success requires tying demands for reform to the services' budgets, which is all the senior generals care about. The earlier reform movement got generals interested in Third Generation maneuver warfare because senators and congressmen who voted on the defense budget were talking about it on the House and Senate floors. Whence might come this second arm of a political pincer movement under today's conditions?

Far more than was true 35 years ago, legislation is now for sale, for the legalized bribes we call "campaign contributions." Business as usual in defense has vast amounts of money to give to members of Congress. Military reform can offer none. That usually means "end of story" on Capitol Hill.

But there is one possibility. The House now has a number of members who served in Iraq or Afghanistan. Having seen today's military from the inside, some of them will know its weaknesses. They might put loyalty to their former comrades above payoffs. If they were to reach out to those still serving who are tired of losing, they could create the "inside/outside" nexus that made the earlier reform movement powerful for a time.

Money may still win in the end. If so, our problem will be larger than more lost cabinet wars. A republic whose government is for sale will not be a republic much longer. Or, perhaps, a state.

William S. Lind is author of the Maneuver Warfare Handbook and director of the American Conservative Center for Public Transportation.

[May 19, 2015]The New Lie About Iraq

May 19, 2015 | The American Conservative
The newest lie about the Iraq war is that the truth about Iraq was not known before the American attack in 2003. One needs only to search for "lies about Iraq" to see all the many links explaining evidence from before the war started that showed the Bush/Cheney/neoconservative claims to be false.

That false narrative is important to know because many of the same people are now promoting war with Iran, as they were before with Syria. Republican candidates are also stumbling over the question of whether they would have invaded Iraq because it undermines their present, ongoing promotion of an interventionist foreign policy.

Take just one example of such a false claim, which even reached Bush's 2003 State of the Union address to Congress: "Saddam has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production." It was a lie from the beginning. Bush had been informed that the Department of Energy and State Department intelligence had analyzed the tubes and found them to be useless for a nuclear program, rather being for conventional rockets.

I was very active in reporting on the lies, writing at the time for Antiwar.com, which every day had articles, news reports, and analyses exposing the misinformation. An article I wrote in 2002, well before the war started, "Eight Washington Lies About Iraq," was at the top of a Google search for lies for 7 years. Even today it explains, with links, many of the lies made.

Iraq's weaknesses were in fact easy to comprehend after nearly nine years of U.S. economic blockade following the First Gulf War. Iraq had been decimated by American bombing of its electricity, sanitation, irrigation, and transportation systems. Almost every bridge was destroyed. A half-million Iraqi children had died of starvation and disease. It was also subject to United Nations (read American) inspectors going all over the country to verify that it was conforming to earlier UN demands for destruction of its nuclear and chemical warfare facilities.

All Americans should be reminded again and again that recent wars were based on lies. The First Gulf War was sold to Americans on the basis of the murder of "incubator babies" and an imaginary Iraqi threat to invade Saudi Arabia, including the assertion that satellite photographs showed the Iraqi Army massed on the Saudi border. The "classified" photos never existed. The Kosovo War was based on reports that 100,000 Kosovan Albanians had been murdered by Serbs, so America had to attack so as to stop the mass killing. It was also a lie.

Today, when all the Republican candidates are being pressured by right-wing media and neoconservative money men to sound (and be) hawkish, Americans should recall how most of Washington's establishment lied to promote past wars. Wars mean billions of dollars for key congressional districts' arms producers, millions of rapt viewers for 24-7 cable news, lots of TV time for think-tank chicken hawks,, new jobs for "contractors," more growth for the "surveillance state." There's also the Israel Lobby and Christian Zionists. All In all that is a pretty formidable force for war.

All Americans should be aware and suspicious of again being panicked into supporting more wars.

Jake, May 19, 2015 at 1:43 pm

I read your article 'Eight Washington Lies About Iraq' when it was first posted. I sent the link to several 'conservative' friends who wanted war, not because they were Christian Zionists (I felt that grouyp was hopeless on the subject), but because they feared what 9/11 meant and knew only what TV news and the hakcs leading the parties told them.

None of them changed their minds about being for a war to kill Saddam Hussien and remake the Middle East. A couple of them gloated when the victory seemed so easy. Not one of them has told me that I was correct all along.

The crowd that wants to land trooops in Syria and Iran will tel any lie to get its wish. It knows that the people hodwinked before will tend to flal for another snow job, because they do not want to havce been wrong the first time.


JohnG, May 19, 2015 at 2:26 pm

Thank you for this refreshing and to-the-point article, this combination of intelligence, competence, and integrity is why I support TAC. Sadly, when it comes to our foreign policy "elites" (of course, the term is a stretch), precisely the opposite is the case, a stunning combination of stupidity, ignorance, and crookedness wherever one looks.

May I just add that the lies stretch to before the Kosovo war in the Balkans? The persistent demonizing and periodic bombings of the Serbs (in what are now Croatia and Bosnia) probably ended up giving us Putin in Kremlin and a region that will probably keep exploding in the future. And, by the way, watch out for what is about to happen in the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia.

I believe that the unique historical opportunity for a more just, democratic, and peaceful world was actually squandered under Bill Clinton, with all the nonsense that was done in the Balkans and the de facto preparation of the confrontation with Iraq (remember Madeleine Albright's famous statement?). George Bush's war was just a continuation, and WMDs just an excuse that the cakewalk crowd thought would be irrelevant/forgotten as soon as the Iraqis started to throw flowers on American tanks.

The war was a gambit by a political class believing that it could use its powerful military to rule the world by controlling its supply of oil. And, gee, they discovered that it's a pretty big & messy world out there, surprise! They can't rule Afghanistan alone, anyone half-familiar with the history of that region could have told them that. So now we are busy talking about "what we knew" and "based on what we knew" hypothetical nonsense just to cover some dumb, arrogant, and dishonest asses rather than simply firing them all, from the media, State Dept., etc.

Fran Macadam, May 19, 2015 at 4:16 pm

On TAC there is much handwringing about the decline of Christian influence in America and the loss of faith generally. President Bush was the poster boy for evangelical Christianity, yet both lied and was manipulated by the unscrupulous, ordering torture and assassination. So the wars turned out badly for average folk, though those allied with Cheney of whatever political stripe profited handsomely. We lose, they win. The neocons are immune to loss of public faith, rather they enjoy full support of donorist elites who buy our democratically unaccountable politicians and get just the wars they continue to want.

As in Europe after the huge losses of World War I, which almost every church supported, there was a great loss of faith. American churchianity, as Dwight Eisenhower put it, is a thoroughly civil religion that supports state aims. He explained that it was built on faith and it mattered not at all which one it was. When the church allies itself with disreputable state actors, some of them Christians in retrospect so obviously dunderheaded, what evaluation will a disillusioned public make of the church's credibility? It won't be disbelief in the miracles that causes the falling away, but the mendacious and supplicating justifications that had no resemblance whatsoever to "Just War" and were in reality against every teaching of Jesus. Thus the church's prophetic role of speaking truth to power in America died.


[May 18, 2015] I herewith enter in to evidence the following 'article' by Neuters written with excruciating spin

et Al, May 17, 2015 at 11:41 am

I herewith enter in to evidence the following 'article' by Neuters written with excruciating spin.

Neuters: Analysis – West clings to fraying Ukraine peace deal despite Kiev doubts
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/05/17/uk-ukraine-crisis-ceasefire-analysis-idUKKBN0O208T20150517

Western powers are clinging to a fraying peace deal in Ukraine and forcing Kiev to follow suit, even though Russian President Vladimir Putin shows no sign of wavering and NATO is warning that Moscow may be preparing for a new offensive.

Western powers are clinging to a fraying peace deal in Ukraine and forcing Kiev to follow suit, even though Russian President Vladimir Putin shows no sign of wavering and NATO is warning that Moscow may be preparing for a new offensive.

The United States and European Union are still backing the three-month old ceasefire, despite a growing feeling that it is in its death throes, telling Putin that sanctions will remain if he does not honor his promises…

…SICKLY FROM BIRTH

While it has been sickly from birth, no-one wants to administer the last rites on the ceasefire….

…Some commentators detected a softer tone when U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry met Putin last week…

…Any new Russian-backed thrust is likely to focus on the coastal city of Mariupol. If it fell, the rebels might be able to open a land corridor to Crimea, which Russia annexed last year…

…"The simple reason why the political agenda of Minsk-2 has gone nowhere very fast is that the agenda ratifies Russian strategic gains and therefore runs counter to the national goals set by the Ukrainian government," Christopher Granville, managing director of London-based consultancy Trusted Sources, wrote in a note…

…It is not in Putin's nature to "blink". He cannot afford to back down on Ukraine as he would lose popularity at home and looking weak is not an option….

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The article is all over the place. The author fails to ascribe blame on Russia and Putin outright but strongly alludes to it by use of 'anal-ysis' (Volodymyr Fesenko, Christopher Granville and the usual unnamed sources, Grubby Kegs & MakeLove. It's very badly written too. Well done Baron von Balmforth! This article is truly a massive piece of journalistic SHITE! Neuters should be embarrassed.

So, considering what we have all discussed above, it looks like there has been a shift of some kind and the Pork Pie News Networks are scrambling to catch up.

Christopher Granville

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Granville

…He is a former diplomat, having worked in the Political Section of the British Embassy in Moscow from 1995 to 1999, and previously at the Foreign Service of the Foreign & Commonwealth Office between 1990 and 1995.[6] He is a Quondam (former) Fellow of All Souls College, Oxford and graduate of New College, Oxford.[7]…

Excuse me, but the above screams of SPOOK, recruited at Oxford… It's so cliché!

[May 18, 2015]Did Uncle Sam buy off the Maidan?

The question is interesting ;-). The answer of pressitutes from Zeit is pathetic... They definitely know about amount of cash shipped via diplomatic mail during Maydan event and the about the amount of cash confiscated by police from Batkivshchina office during the raid in December 2014. But they prefer do not metion it. This is what pressitution is about. When Jen Psaki is a role mode ;-)
May 17, 2015 | ZEIT ONLINE

The United States has spent millions on Ukraine over the past few decades. Where did the money go?

Read the German version of this article here.

When someone mentions Ukraine nowadays, Russia automatically springs to mind. What will happen next: Will it be war or peace?

As soon as Russian President Vladimir Putin moved to attack the eastern Ukrainian port city of Mariupol in an attempt to build a bridge to already annexed Crimea, the West would feel obliged to react. And then it would quickly become apparent that the West is not united.

It would also bring to the fore another problem that has so far been hidden by the conflict with Russia: The problem between Europe and America. At that point, many in Washington would want to send arms to Ukraine. In Brussels, very few would. In Berlin, no one would. That would give rise to another question: What do the Americans really want in Ukraine?

A few months ago, the Ukrainians asked the United States for tanks and missile defense systems. They received instead 300 American military advisors, off-road vehicles and night-vision equipment. That was all the help for a country at war. Anyone attempting to measure the gap between the Ukrainian wishes and American response will see that there hasn't been anything more than gestures and symbolism so far. But what does that actually mean?

To understand the American relationship to Ukraine, it's necessary to go back to the beginning. Back in 1991, President George H. W. Bush traveled to Kiev. The Cold War was over. The Soviet Union still existed, but it was crumbling. The West had won. What now?

Mr. Bush had no interest in seeing the complete collapse of the Soviet Union. He feared there would no longer be an organizing power in the region. Which is why he appeared before the Ukrainian parliament to warn against the drive for independence and "suicidal nationalism."

The Ukrainians paid no heed, voting in a December 1991 nationwide referendum – including Crimea – for independence. There was no way Washington could ignore that, so cooperation with Kiev was strengthened.

The nuclear weapons in Ukraine, in cooperation with Russia, were destroyed. Ukrainian soldiers received training in the United States.

In the second half of the 1990s, Ukraine had more military cooperation with the United States than with any other country. Not even with Russia. There were dreams of joining NATO, even while Ukraine's Russia-friendly President Viktor Yanukovych was in power. The Russians didn't seem to mind much.

But such harmony didn't last long. As Ukraine's economic and political reforms stagnated and corruption remained rampant, the Americans slowly lost interest in the country. Only after Mr. Yanukovych, suspected of vote fraud, was kept from ascending to the presidency by the 2004 Orange Revolution did U.S. attention revive.

In December 2004 Viktor Yushchenko was elected Ukrainian president, guaranteeing closer ties with America, especially since his wife grew up there and had even worked for the U.S. State Department for a time.

It's then that the theories of U.S. meddling in Ukraine started to gain traction. The British journalist Ian Traynor claimed in the U.K. newspaper The Guardian that the Yushchenko campaign was an American plot, citing as evidence American payments to train election observers and protest groups, as well as American financed polls designed to back up accusations of Mr. Yanukovych's vote fraud.

Not many believe Mr. Traynor's theory, but one person who does is the respected Professor John Mearsheimer, who teaches political science at the University of Chicago. He says that Washington continues to try to influence Ukraine even a decade after the Orange Revolution. He's convinced that the Maidan protests – eventually responsible for the ousting of Mr. Yanukovych on February 22, 2014 – were several years in the making and backed by American cash. A putsch. "America wanted a change, because it wanted to gain influence over Ukraine," Prof. Mearsheimer says.

It's at this point that a large sum of money and a telephone call become part of the story.

Victoria Nuland, U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs, spoke of $5 billion, or €4.5 billion, for Ukraine in a call to the American ambassador in Kiev on January 28, 2014. That was just a few weeks before Mr. Yanukovych was chased out of the country. Ms. Nuland also spoke of whom from the opposition could join the new government as if she could influence such things. That all came to light after the conversation was tapped and made public – apparently by a Ukrainian intelligence service officer still loyal to Mr. Yanukovych.

At first glance, $5 billion is a hefty sum of money – but is it hefty enough to buy an entire revolution?

The money flowed from 1991 to 2014. Most of it from the U.S. State Department, which handles foreign affairs, and its development arm USAID, which was set up by John F. Kennedy. He saw it as successor to the Marshall Plan, which helped rebuild Europe after the Second World War.

The agency's funds come from the U.S. federal budget. In 2016, USAID will have $22.3 billion to spend worldwide, but it has to stick to the president's foreign policy guidelines. It is therefore a political instrument that is never completely without a political goal in mind. But how will that money be used exactly?

The Kiev offices of USAID are on the edge of the Ukrainian capital, on the same compound as the U.S. Embassy. It's a gigantic building surrounded by a high fence.

Ann Marie Yastishock, the deputy regional USAID director, has frequently had to answer questions about the money. "We don't finance revolutions, we support civil society and NGOs," she said. "We financed neither the Orange Revolution nor the Maidan protests in 2014. Those were citizens out there at the Maidan, rising up against their corrupt government."

USAID became active in Ukraine in 1992 at the behest of the Ukrainian government, just as it did in Russia, Georgia and many other post-Soviet countries. "We thought at the time that we would be here at most 20 years and then everything here would blossom," Ms. Yastishock remembers.


America has supported many projects with the money since then with the intention of helping strengthen democracy: Anti-corruption groups, election monitoring, parliamentary expertise. Much more money was spent on health projects, environmental projects and economic development.


But the expenditures have decreased substantially over the years. It was still $195.6 million in 2011, but that had shrunk by 2014 to just $86.1 million. Only in 2015 did that figure rise a little.

Could such amounts have led to people risking their lives during the long weeks of struggle at Maidan?

Mr. Putin seems to think so. He sees the foreign money as interference in the domestic affairs of a country. That's why NGOs in Russia that receive money from abroad are now subject to the country's foreign agent law. American NGOs are no longer allowed to operate there. The foundation of the U.S. investor George Soros had to shut down its HIV and methadone projects, helping contribute to Russia's increasing HIV infection rate.

Mr. Putin, on the other hand, has invested heavily in a number of NGOs meant to increase Russia's influence abroad since the Orange Revolution in 2004. Starting in 2012, $130 million has flown each year into organizations operating in post-Soviet countries and the Balkans, but particularly in Ukraine.


The overall amount is growing, according to a soon-to-be-released study from the respected London-based think tank Chatham House, which is predominately funded by international corporations. The study shows a huge network in service of Russian interests using fear-mongering and manipulation to influence a country's populace and attempt to bias it against the West. The biggest difference to the American soft power concept is that Russia isn't trying to win anyone over with the attractiveness of its own model, but rather makes use of economic pressure and political intimidation.

But even someone failing to see a difference between Russian and American influence has to recognize that neither side now has the upper hand and neither is seriously in any position to steer the course of Ukrainian history. The Ukrainians, just as they did when Bush Senior spoke to them, have always decided their own future.

And it should stay that way, because it could be a highly dangerous scenario if Ukraine became a geostrategic playing field for foreign powers. For example, what would happen if a U.S. president unwilling to ignore Russian provocations, such as a U.S. Republican like John McCain, came to power?

President Barack Obama thinks differently. He avoids conflicts with Mr. Putin and would prefer to leave the problem with Europe, that is, with German Chancellor Angela Merkel.

"Shortly after the annexation of Crimea by Putin there was the policy of not doing anything to provoke the Russians," says Karen Donfried, Mr. Obama's former Europe advisor. A high-ranking advisor in the White House connects the dots: "We can't deal with the Ukraine problem in an isolated fashion, since there are other interests as well. We want to keep open our lines of communication with the Russians on topics such as Syria, Islamic State, Assad or Afghanistan." In other words: Mr. Obama believes he still needs the Russians.

In Kiev, the co-founder of the independent broadcaster Hromadske TV, which is financed by Ukrainian citizens, as well as donations from E.U. foundations and the Dutch and American embassies, says that it's become harder to get money from the Americans. And that's despite the fact that independent media in Ukraine can only exist with outside help.


Ukrainian TV channels, all owned by the country's oligarchs, simply can't be trusted. The Americans, however, are hesitant. They want to avoid at all costs any semblance of meddling.

Back in Washington there are still memories of Russia's war with Georgia in 2008, when relations between the Bush administration and Russia had reached a low point. America had previously lavished Georgia with massive amounts of money and weapons in an attempt to build a strategic bridgehead in the southern Caucasus region. But as Russia marched into Georgia, it wasn't prepared to intervene. Washington's Russian policy lay in tatters.


A year later, Mr. Obama became president and attempted to restart ties with Russia. From the economy to disarmament, there were many common interests. Karen Donfried says: "We were honestly convinced that Russia had decided to cooperate with the West instead of risking an open military conflict. We were just as surprised by the events on the Maidan as by Putin's reaction to them. We knew, of course, that Russia had reacted sensitively to the NATO expansion. But we never thought that it would react in such a way to an E.U. association agreement."

Because Mr. Obama wants to avoid an escalation of the conflict, he's continued to speak out against arms shipments. Anyone supplying weapons would simply fuel the logic of an arms race. Mr. Putin wouldn't watch idly, he would send more weapons into eastern Ukraine. That's why Mr. Obama has up until now ignored those in Washington demanding a more hawkish course of action against Russia.


Ukraine is not an American priority, according to the government advisor, the White House is merely trying to improve the security situation there.

American interest in Ukraine has ebbed and flowed dramatically over the past quarter century. Sometimes it wanted to help build up the country's democratic society, while other times it wanted to contain its strategic rival Russia. Should the situation escalate anew in the coming months, America will likely change its policy yet again. Barack Obama will then have to again consider sending weapons. His political opponents and some of his political allies will ask him the following question: Should America tolerate such behavior from Mr. Putin?

And then there will be that problem again between America and Europe.

Translated by Marc Young

[May 18, 2015] NYT throws Poroshenko under the bus

In Ukraine, Corruption Concerns Linger a Year After a Revolution - NYTimes.com

The country is on the cliff of bankruptcy. A spate of politically motivated killings and mysterious suicides of former government officials has sown fear in the capital. Infighting has begun to splinter the pro-European majority coalition in Parliament. And a constant threat of war lingers along the Russian border.

A year after the election of Petro O. Poroshenko as president to replace the ousted Viktor F. Yanukovych, and six months after the swearing in of a new legislature, Ukraine remains deeply mired in political and economic chaos.

"Poroshenko, whether you like him or not, he's not delivering," said Bruce P. Jackson, the president of the Project on Transitional Democracies, an American nonprofit group. "The Ukrainian government is so weak and fragile that it is too weak to do the necessary things to build a unified and independent state."

Victoria J. Nuland, a senior State Department official, in Kiev, Ukraine, on Saturday. She will be in Moscow for talks Monday.

Efforts to forge a political settlement between the government in Kiev and Russian-backed separatists who control much of the eastern regions of Donetsk and Luhansk have hit a deadlock over procedural disputes, despite a cease-fire in February calling for decentralization of power and greater local autonomy as the linchpins of a long-term accord.

[May 18, 2015] Dueck's "Conservative Realism" and The Obama Doctrine

This is a Neoconservatism, not so much realism...
May 18, 2015 | The American Conservative
Frank Hoffman reviews Colin Dueck's The Obama Doctrine: American Grand Strategy Today:

The author proposes an alternative strategy called conservative American realism. It is designed to appeal to the center mass of today's conservatives by triangulating the three factions. This strategy seeks to counter the perceived retrenchment of the last six years, and explicitly embraces American primacy. Primacy, to Dueck, is "a circumstance and an interest, not a strategy." Conservative American realism emphasizes reassuring allies that the United States seeks to remain a key player in the international arena by expanding forward presence and bolstering deterrence. Dueck details U.S. fundamental interests, and defines the specific adversaries that must be countered. These include state competitors (China and Russia), rogue states like North Korea, and jihadi terrorists. To deal with the latter, the author chides Mr. Obama for half-hearted approaches, and suggests these implacable foes require solutions that are "appropriately Carthaginian." One wonders how far Dueck would really take that historical analogy - enslave Muslims or salt their lands?

Based on the description of Dueck's "conservative American realism" in the review, it is debatable whether the proposed strategy qualifies as either conservative or realist. It would appear to commit the U.S. in too many places to bear burdens that our allies and clients should be taking on for themselves, and it does so out of a misguided concern that the U.S. has not been activist enough during the Obama presidency. I don't know what Dueck means by "appropriately Carthaginian" solutions, but the implication that the U.S. should be seeking to ruin and dominate other nations in such a fashion is disturbing in itself. It is not at all clear that the U.S. should be doing more "reassure" allies and clients. Most of them are already too dependent on the U.S. for their security and should be expected to do more to provide for themselves, and their endless demands for "reassurance" are attempts to get the U.S. to give them extra support they don't need or that the U.S. has no interest in giving them. The U.S. currently has too many commitments overseas and hardly needs to expand the presence that it already has.

Dueck places great emphasis on applying coercive measures against various states, but there doesn't seem to much attention paid to the costs that applying these measures can have on the U.S. and its allies. Imposing costs and intensifying pressure on other states aren't ends in themselves, and they have proven time and again to be ineffective tools for changing the behavior of recalcitrant and hostile regimes. Coercive measures can backfire and can have effects that their advocates don't anticipate, and they can provoke the targeted state to pursue more hostile and dangerous policies than there would have been otherwise. Dueck's interest in relying on coercive measures seems to be little more than a reaction against the perceived laxity of the Obama administration, which has itself been too reliant on imposing sanctions as an all-purpose response to the undesirable behavior of other governments. If Obama failed to apply enough pressure, Dueck's thinking appears to be that more pressure must be the answer. Missing from all of this is any explanation of why the U.S. needs to be cajoling and pressuring these states in the first place. To what end?

Dueck also wants to throw more money at the military by insisting on setting the military budget at 4% of GDP. As Hoffman notes, tying the military budget to an arbitrary figure like this represents the absence of strategy:

The basis for this amount appears aspirational, and I have previously written on why such general goals are astrategic if not tied to specific requirements and threats. More importantly, details about how he would employ the additional $170 billion per year in defense spending are lacking.

If one wants huge increases in military spending and the pursuit of pointlessly confrontational policies against both major authoritarian powers, Dueck's book would appear to offer the desired guidance. What it has to do with either realism or conservatism remains a mystery.

Russia to prosecute 'undesirable' foreign organisations

Warren says:

May 15, 2015 at 5:39 am

Russia to prosecute 'undesirable' foreign organisations

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32751797

Moscow Exile , May 15, 2015 at 5:49 am

They should start with the US Embassy.

james, May 15, 2015 at 9:12 am

how many soros funded ngos operate in russia anyway aside from 'open russia'?

Moscow Exile, May 15, 2015 at 10:04 am

450,000 NGOs in Russia

The sheer number of organizations described as NGOs and the number receiving foreign funding is staggering. Since 1991 and the collapse of the Soviet Union, hundreds of thousands of NGOs have sprung up in Russia. Members of the Russian Duma say over 450,000 NGOs operate in Russia today [Feb. 6, 2006]. The Yale Center for the Study of Globalization puts the number even higher, saying that "There are at least 600,000 registered non-governmental, non-commercial organizations operating in Russia. At least as many may be working in the country without official registration".

kirill, May 15, 2015 at 3:33 pm
Time to regulate this "industry". NGO's should be required to have an active full time staff of 100. That should reduce this number to a few dozen.
marknesop, May 15, 2015 at 10:53 am

"Pavel Chikov, head of a human rights umbrella group called Agora, said: "Simply declaring someone 'undesirable, we don't want to see him on our territory' will be a violation of international law and general legal principles, and of the civil legal code."

Oh, now this human rights toad is concerned about international law and general legal principles.

Where were you while the Ukie Army's artillery smashed Slaviansk to rubble and killed hundreds of civilians, you worthless fucker?

[May 17, 2015]Snowden cost US control of 'geopolitical narrative' – former NSA official

Warren, May 15, 2015 at 2:52 pm

Snowden cost US control of 'geopolitical narrative' – former NSA official

http://rt.com/usa/259101-nsa-counsel-snowden-secrets/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=RSS

marknesop, May 15, 2015 at 6:31 pm
For one thing, this sounds an awful lot like an official admission that the USA did something wrong rather than Snowden.

For another, it is important to remember that the "control of the geopolitical narrative" he speaks of was based on lying and secret snooping, and there is no reason to believe the USA would ever have stopped doing it on its own, or taken steps to admit it was doing it, so long as secret intelligence continued to keep them on top.

[May 17, 2015]U.S. Wakes Up to New (Silk) World Order

Neocons got what they saw -- teeth of Chinese dragon...
May 16, 2015 | Information Clearing House
The real Masters of the Universe in the U.S. are no weathermen, but arguably they're starting to feel which way the wind is blowing.

History may signal it all started with this week's trip to Sochi, led by their paperboy, Secretary of State John Kerry, who met with Foreign Minister Lavrov and then with President Putin.

Arguably, a visual reminder clicked the bells for the real Masters of the Universe; the PLA marching in Red Square on Victory Day side by side with the Russian military. Even under the Stalin-Mao alliance Chinese troops did not march in Red Square.

As a screamer, that rivals the Russian S-500 missile systems. Adults in the Beltway may have done the math and concluded Moscow and Beijing may be on the verge of signing secret military protocols as in the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. The new game of musical chairs is surely bound to leave Eurasian-obsessed Dr. Zbig "Grand Chessboard" Brzezinski apoplectic.

And suddenly, instead of relentless demonization and NATO spewing out "Russian aggression!" every ten seconds, we have Kerry saying that respecting Minsk-2 is the only way out in Ukraine, and that he would strongly caution vassal Poroshenko against his bragging on bombing Donetsk airport and environs back into Ukrainian "democracy".

... ... ....

Thus what was really discussed – but not leaked – out of Sochi is how the Obama administration can get some sort of face-saving exit out of the Russian western borderland geopolitical mess it invited on itself in the first place.

About those missiles…

Ukraine is a failed state now fully converted into an IMF colony. The EU will never accept it as a member, or pay its astronomic bills. The real action, for both Washington and Moscow, is Iran. Not accidentally, the extremely dodgy Wendy Sherman - who has been the chief U.S. negotiator in the P5+1 nuclear talks - was part of Kerry's entourage. A comprehensive deal with Iran cannot be clinched without Moscow's essential collaboration on everything from the disposal of spent nuclear fuel to the swift end of UN sanctions.

... ... ...

The real Masters of the Universe may have also noted the very close discussions between Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu and the deputy chairman of the Central Military Council of China, Gen. Fan Changlong. Russia and China will conduct naval exercises in the Mediterranean Sea and the Sea of Japan and will give top priority to their common position regarding U.S. global missile defense.

There's the not-so-negligible matter of the Pentagon "discovering" China has up to 60 silo-based ICBMs – the CSS-4 – capable of targeting almost the whole U.S., except Florida.

And last but not least, there's the Russian rollout of the ultra-sophisticated S-500 defensive missile system - which will conclusively protect Russia from a U.S. Prompt Global Strike (PGS). Each S-500 missile can intercept ten ICBMs at speeds up to 15,480 miles an hour, altitudes of 115 miles and horizontal range of 2,174 miles. Moscow insists the system will only be operational in 2017. If Russia is able to rollout 10,000 S-500 missiles, they can intercept 100,000 American ICBMs by the time the U.S. has a new White House tenant.

[May 17, 2015] Zuckerberg put Porky and other Ukie nationalists in their place

yalensis, May 16, 2015 at 12:39 pm

Sorry, but I cannot leave this Facebook story alone, since it is so satisfying to me that Zuckerberg put Porky and other Ukie nationalists in their place.

Zuckerberg said that he did some research and found that the Ukrainian posts taken down included elements of ethnic slurs and hate speech towards Russians. Posts with such content are not allowed on Facebook, he said.

"I think we did the right thing according to our policies, in taking down those posts and I agree that we must not support hate speech," said Zuckerberg.

I like very much that

(1) Zuckerberg defended the actions of his staff and did not throw them under the bus to service anti-Russian agenda of Washington. I really respect the guy for doing that.

(2) that Zuckerberg put Ukrainians in their place: he made it clear they are not special people, he doesn't care if their President appealed to him, he is not impressed by Porky's power; and Ukies don't have the right to post murderous hate speech if other people don't have the same right.

Having said that, Russia's version of Facebook "V Kontakte", is obviously more loosy-goosy than Zuckerberg's Facebook, since they tolerate just about anything. In fact, they sponsor the page of Vita Zaverukha, with her swastikas galore and photos of murdered Odessans; and comparing the scorched bodies to Kentucky Fried Colorado Beetles, etc etc.

Having said that, Zuckerberg's Facebook enforces a code of conduct which excludes ethnic hate speech or calls to violence; and it is commendable that they actually enforced those rules even when the targets of the hate speech were the much-despised Russian ethnos.

yalensis , May 16, 2015 at 12:48 pm
The comment section to this piece is quite telling:

"Czech Friend" who is some pro-Banderite troll calls Zuckerberg a kiss-up to totalitarian dictators, and then encourages every "freedom-loving" person to stop using Facebook.

"puttypants", who is pro-Banderite, pro-Fifth Column, agrees with this, and repeats the slander (as stated in the movie "Social Network") that Zuckerberg is a plagiarist, who stole the Facebook idea from his college friends.

"Mick Jones" then points out that he has seen examples of the kind of Ukie hate speech which call Russians "Mongols" (as if being a Mongol is a bad thing).

"Calibra" replies to a comment that was deleted – I read the comment earlier, before it was deleted, I don't remember the exact words, but the person said some mean things and then dropped the ultimate threat: To quit their Facebook account. "Calibra" replies: "O my god, i'm sure Mark [Zuckerberg] will not sleep tonight knowing you left, how could you."

Russ M. points out how Zuckerberg's nerd brigade laughed their asses off when Porky sent in a question. God, how embarrassing, I would cringe if I were Ukrainian myself…
Having such a joke for a President. Oh wait! Russians used to have Yeltsin…

Moscow Exile , May 16, 2015 at 12:58 pm
At least Yeltsin used to knock back the vodka and take a bite out of a salted gherkin like the true provincial muzhik he was, the bastard, and not sip at Frog cognac and nibble at ladies' chocolate assortments as Porky Porosyonok does.
Jen , May 16, 2015 at 2:46 pm
Porky's still head of Roshen, hasn't divested himself of his business investments, so it's his (as he sees it) duty to scoff all the chocolates his fat snout can snuffle out.

There's another reason for him to indulge in his favourite comfort foods and beverages: he's been caught constructing a new mansion on a plot of land right by a historic district in Kiev which he obtained through an arrangement involving a private company that morphed into a fake housing co-op.

yalensis, May 16, 2015 at 12:58 pm
But wait there's more!

Regarding Ukraine's epic fail on the Facebook front, get this:
Ukrainian svidomites are so upset by Zuckerberg's comments that they have decided to organize a boycott of Facebook.

And how, pray tell, have they organized this boycott?
Why, through social media, naturally.
And which social media, you might ask?
Why, on Facebook, of course!

You can't make this stuff up!

As the author of this piece notes:

Svidomites and Logic – 2 things that are completely incompatible, one with the other.

[May 17, 2015] Usage of missionaries for promoting color revolution

kirill, May 16, 2015 at 6:34 am

It is the Spanish conquista model. The missionaries were the foot soldiers of the invasion. The USA is using the same tricks against Ukrainians. Well, they deserve it.
Moscow Exile, May 16, 2015 at 7:45 am
I think the Ukraine has more Baptist congregations than there are in Russia, and there are plenty of them here. I have worked with a few Russian Baptists.

The Sky Pilot is in the Ukraine, in the "former Soviet Union" as he repeatedly says, and he is at a place where the leaders of Russian ministries have gathered, he says, "to talk about new crises that have taken place within their culture", such as HIV, which is rampant in what the speaker describes as "this Russian culture, predominantly".

That was in 2008.

Again from 2008:

Catch 'em young!

Warren, May 16, 2015 at 8:58 am
It makes sense for the US perspective the predominance of the Orthodox Church in Ukraine and Russia is an obstacle to US power. It is no coincidence the strongest support for the West and the most hostile towards Russia, is in Western Ukraine/Galicia. This can be attributed to the fact the people in Western Ukraine/Galicia are overwhelming Catholic, Ukrainian Catholic/Uniate.

By proselytizing Ukrainians, converting them from Orthodoxy to a Protestant denomination you can undermine and break the bonds Ukrainians have with Russia.

The next step is to change the Cyrillic alphabet to a Latin Alphabet, this will complete Ukraine Civilisation transformation and pivot from Eastern Orthodoxy to Western Europe.

Calls for Latinization of Ukrainian Alphabet On 'Civilizational Grounds' Anger Russians

http://www.interpretermag.com/calls-for-latinization-of-ukrainian-alphabet-on-civilizational-grounds-anger-russians/

Game plan for the West to permanent conquer Ukraine:

1. Replace Eastern Orthodoxy with Protestantism and Catholicism.
2. Replace the Cyrillic alphabet with the Latin alphabet.

cartman, May 16, 2015 at 9:20 am
Turchita is also a Baptist. (And Yats is a member of that other cult – Scientology.)

What evangelicals do cannot conceivably be called Christianity, though. Most worship chaos as a means of bringing about the end times.

PaulR, May 16, 2015 at 9:46 am
One of my Soviet room-mates in Minsk took me along to a Baptist service there, though I left before the end because it was very long (though not as long as the interminable Orthodox services). Anyway, the point is that the Baptists have been active in that part of the world for quite a while, even in Soviet times.
yalensis, May 16, 2015 at 12:05 pm
Russian diaspora in Western Massachussets area contains a lot of Jehovah's Witnesses.

They are fairly innocuous, as far as I can see; apolitical, for the most part.
Since I don't understand religion, I give them a pass.

Jen, May 16, 2015 at 5:42 pm
Hmm … I see something in Ukraine adopting the JW religion as its state religion. The Banderites would have to kick out Red Cross as accepting blood transfusions is against the Watchtower principles.
marknesop, , May 16, 2015 at 1:36 pm
Yes, I went to an Orthodox christening once for an acquaintance's child. I was completely unprepared for that singsong delivery and wondered what the hell was going on at first, and since I could not understand a word of it, it seemed even longer than it was. Which was long enough that I remarked quietly to my wife that they might just as well segue straight into the infant's wedding. Perhaps even her funeral.

[May 17, 2015] The west is in a poor position to sustain an economic war against Russia

marknesop.wordpress.com

ucgsblog, May 16, 2015 at 1:33 am

Nice Article Mark! I'm just going to leave this here: http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=RUB&to=UAH&view=1Y

That's a chart showing how the Ruble pwnd the Hryvna. In spite of mismanagement, (at the beginning, it's now fixed,) Ruble's close tie to falling oil prices, anti-Ruble currency speculation, (thanks to all those who speculated when exchange rate was above 1 to 80 from my wallet,) lack of diversification, and deliberate attempts to lower the Ruble from within, (makes sense for exporters,) the Ruble kicked the Hryvna's butt in a contest where the Ruble wasn't even trying.

Furthermore, a new investor's report was released on Ukraine. Who gets blamed by the US Investing Community:

1. Poroshenko's inability to fight corruption, (listed as main, i.e. major, reason for not investing)
2. War in Donetsk and Lugansk
3. Instability within Ukraine

No one's buying propaganda that it's all Putin's fault, although Putin might face tough questions as to what Russia's policy in Donetsk and Lugansk is going to be. Still, the number one reason is corruption. Not Putin.

And let's not forget that IMF Is about to be challenged, so its investment into Ukraine will be limited. I heard rumors about IMF not allowed to help countries at war, (or was it WB,) can someone clarify that?

"LA Times so excited that it forgot Russia and China agreed to a gas price last winter; saying instead that they had not yet agreed on a price, and that this means bad news for Russia because it is in a weak negotiating position. If it were true that they have not agreed on a price – which it isn't – how would that indicate Russian weakness? Wouldn't they just take whatever they could get, if their position was weak?"

LA Times' job is not to make sense about Russia. They're doing it rather well.

"The west is in a poor position to sustain an economic war against Russia, as the Eurozone is experiencing anemic growth – and even that appears to be due to false optimism over Quantitative Easing – while American growth is stagnant for the first quarter;"

Don't forget Greece. Since the EU cannot sustain Greece and fight Russia, the pro-US leaders of German government, spearheaded by Schauble, are trying to kick Greece out of the EU. Not just the Eurozone, but the EU.

"How does the west react to losing? I'm glad you asked. Like this. The Daily Mail, which some of my commenters refer to as the Daily Fail, chuckles uproariously at the antics of Russian soldiers attempting to load a tank onto the back of a flatbed truck. On the third attempt, the vehicle ends up too far to the right, and capsizes onto its roof as it falls off the truck. Oh, those Russians! Probably drunk, as usual. Except the vehicle is not a tank, it is a self-propelled howitzer, an artillery piece. The source clearly identifies the operation as depicting a Ukrainian unit, and if you look just behind the three guys watching just as the howitzer falls off the truck, you will see an oil drum with a Ukrainian flag standing in it. The first principle of Gambling For Idiots – when you're losing, double down."

Nice!

Also guys, have you heard about the Democratic revolt against Obama on the issue of the Trans Pacific Partnership? Apparently Democrats don't want to completely alienate their base, who knew? Speaking of Congressional approval rating: http://www.gallup.com/poll/1600/congress-public.aspx

marknesop, May 16, 2015 at 8:53 am
Hi, UCG! Good to hear from you, and what a lot of info in a single comment. As regards the IMF being forbidden from lending to the state in a country embroiled in a civil war – yes, and no. The most authoritative source I saw was John Helmer, who proclaimed that the IMF's lending to Kiev while it was at war with one of its regions was a violation of its charter (Article 1). However, if you look at it you will see it lays out instruction on the IMF's principles and what it must be mindful of when lending – not what it is forbidden to do. Even a halfway-capable lawyer could argue that lending to Kiev with the understanding it would almost certainly divert some or all of the funds to supporting its military campaign violates the spirit of the charter. But since it does not spell out what the IMF may not do, an argument might be made – just off the top of my head – that Kiev felt it necessary to attack the eastern region and subdue it in order to protect its currency, which would surely collapse without access to its main industrial belt, a la paragraph iii: "To promote exchange stability, to maintain orderly exchange arrangements among members, and to avoid competitive exchange depreciation."

I had not heard about domestic opposition to TPP, but if it is as riddled with advantageous loopholes for Washington to manipulate and control foreign governments as the TTIP with the EU, I devoutly hope it fails.

On your mention of Greece, it seems your analysis is spot on – I read something just yesterday in which the article was smoothing the way for a Greek exit and telling everyone it would not be really a bad thing at all, as well as a strikingly similar article which paved the way for Scotland to leave the UK without any blame accruing to Dave, saying the same stuff about how it really wouldn't matter too much to the UK at all, there would be niggling little difficulties but they were all surmountable.

Sounds a far cry from the confident strut about western unity from just a few months back, doesn't it?

Warren, May 16, 2015 at 3:18 am

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Zhovti_Vody

yalensis, May 16, 2015 at 4:35 am
Zakharchenko commentary on Porky yesterday signing of the "de-communization" law:

"When the law mandates that people who hung children to telegraph poles with barbed wire, and who murdered tens of thousands of Poles – that these people must be regarded as heroes… What do you think? Can such a nation have a future? No, it cannot have a future. Only partition and chaos await such a nation. When butchers are declared to be heroes.

"In Donetsk, we will not allow this. We have our own path, and we are not ashamed of it."

marknesop, May 16, 2015 at 9:02 am
Very well said, I think. I was a little iffy on Zakharchenko at first, mostly because I was dazzled by Strelkov's battle tactics – which were amazing for someone many consider to be a nut – but he is daily taking on more and more the appearance of a statesman and leader.
yalensis, May 16, 2015 at 12:00 pm
Strelkov is a talented soldier, but Zakharchenko has shown himself to be a statesman as well as soldier.
Warren, May 16, 2015 at 4:37 am
Moscow Exile, May 16, 2015 at 4:47 am
По Крещатику прошло шествие против повышения тарифов ЖКХ

В центре Киева собрались не менее 5 тысяч человек

Along the Khreschatyk has passed a protest march against the increase of tariffs on housing and communal services

In the centre of Kiev have gathered no fewer than 5 thousand people

On Saturday, May 16, in the centre of the Ukrainian capital a protest march has started.

At 10 am no fewer than five thousand people with different slogans gathered on the Khreschatyk, which at weekends becomes a pedestrian area.

The main message of the campaign is a protest against an increase in utility tariffs. At the same time, protesters have posters with a variety of messages: "Yatsenyuk means poverty for the Ukraine" and "For Ukrainians – a Ukrainian government", "Not able to work – go work as a shop assistant at "Roshen" (this slogan is directed at President Poroshenko – ed.)

People are carrying national flags. The protesters are behaving calmly and are not shouting.

According to the "Vesti" correspondent, some people are apparently from the regions and arrived by bus early this morning at the metro station "Leo Tolstoy"; some of the protesters are residents of the capital.

The procession is moving from the Bessarabian Market along the Khreschatyk and on to Europe Square.

kirill, May 16, 2015 at 6:28 am
This is the only thing these idiots will respond to. Their personal pocketbook pain. Having their country stolen from them and operated by foreign sponsored lunatic killers is clearly not a problem for them.
yalensis, May 16, 2015 at 5:10 am
Very good, but also very lengthy piece on the failure of the shale gas revolution in Ukraine. I only have time for quick summary:

SUMMARY
Poland, Great Britain, EU as a whole are disappointed by a wave of news (just reaching them) that the "shale-gas revolution" on the continent has been postponed indefinitely.
Back to face hard reality that they depend on Russia for their gas needs.

Europeans had believed American tall tales about the rosy future of shale gas on the continent. However, they just got a dose of reality from Bloomberg this past week. [yalensis: not sure which Bloomberg link they are talking about but it might be this one.]

For example, British company Cuadrilla Resources has tried and failed for 6 years to open so much as one gas well in Poland. And Poland was supposed to be the European country best endowed with shale gas, so they were supposed to be the poster child.
But now everybody is bailing out: Exxon Mobil, Shell, Chevron, Total and Marathon OIl have all bailed out of Poland.
All of this history partially pre-determined Ukraine role as sacrificial lamb. In 2010, Exxon Mobil and Shell obtained licenses to scout for shale gas in Ukraine. In fall of 2012, Shell began drilling in Kharkov region.
At the same time, Naftogaz began negotiations with American firms. Yanukovych government concluded all kinds of secret deals with foreign companies. Which the piece compares to American Indians selling their natural resources for beads and mirrors.
These secret deals would have literally given Ukrainian underground mineral resources as private property to these European and American investors. (Point #37.1 in the secret deal with Shell.)
These deals encoded a type of "eminent domain" situation, which would deed over the land itself to the companies drilling for shale gas. Even if that land belonged to somebody else.

With these deals, Yanukovych and the Azarov government were willfully serfing Ukraine into bondage to these foreign corporations for the next 55 years. Until the very moment when he fled the country, Yanukovych was completely devoted to his "shale gas" project that would have sold the Ukrainian people into slavery. And the Americans were always there, behind the scenes, this was part of their strategic vision to replace Russian gas with Ukrainian gas, for Europe.
[yalensis: Azarov also emerges in this piece as a villain, on the same level as Yanukovych.]

After the Maidan revolution, nothing changed substantially. Some of the same players, and the same oligarchs (such as Sergei Taruta), who formerly accused (rightfully) Yanukovych of betraying the national interest; were now involved in exactly the same deal-making with Western companies.
In fact, the project now steamed ahead full on steroids, now that America has a pliant puppet government in Kiev.
As shown by the appearance of Hunter Biden and Burisma Holdings, etc. Along with Hunter, another key figure in Burisma is John Kerry's family friend Devon Archer.

Then came the civil war in Donbass. The plan was to use heavy artillery and destruction of infrastructure to drive out the native population; once the land was cleared of the pesky humans, then the gas companies could drill to their heart's content, without worrying about people and eminent domain, etc. This was tried and true method, employed by European colonists in America, etc.

Everything was going as planned, but then in the middle of August (2014), the "gas revolution" suddenly started to collapse of its own volition, and the investors began to bail out. Having wasted billions of dollars on a project that did not bear any fruits. But at least the investors knew not to throw good money in after bad.
So, they have left.
But first having destroyed Ukraine and left the country in tatters.

marknesop, May 16, 2015 at 9:22 am
Great exposé, Yalensis! Given that the present government in Kiev is so vile, there's always a temptation to exalt Yanukovych, but maybe there's an opportunity here to inspire a bit of sympathy for ordinary Ukrainians who were desperate to have him gone because they believed – quite rightly it seems – that he was a thieving bag of shit. How were they to know that a self-enriching thief (and he couldn't have been too far along with any such plan, because the much-ballyhooed international hunt for his stolen billions has turned up zip) would be replaced by Nazi-worshiping ideologues?

Poor Ukrainians – they get fucked over by every leadership no matter who they choose. You just have to love democracy, right? Choose Thief A or Thief B.

I didn't really buy the war as a coherent plan to drive the regional inhabitants fleeing to surrounding countries so as to empty it for exploitation, but it is starting to look more plausible. If true, it was a grotesque failure on two counts; they reckoned without the inhabitants' determination to hold onto their towns even when they were just loose piles of bricks, and there were never enough recoverable resources there to justify such a purely-evil scheme in the first place. There isn't a gallows big enough for all those who deserve to be hung.

Moscow Exile, May 16, 2015 at 5:33 am
"As for why the photos are all of men, I am not sure, but I think the movement is mostly about soldiers who fell in battle against the Horde. In any case, that is a valid criticism, IMHO."

Further to Yalensis' comment quoted above, and posted here because of the narrowing of the thread above:

Pictures taken by Elena Denisovna whilst participating in the "Immortal Regiment" march, Moscow, May 9, 2015:

If you look carefully, the portraits of some women are discernible. In fact, in the second of the above photographs, a "fake" participant is proudly holding high a woman's portrait by means of the longest placard handle that I have seen amongst the very, very many pictures of the event.

Elena Denisovna bore on that day a photograph of her great-great uncle, Aleksandr Stepanovich, who fell in battle in 1942 whilst serving in the Red Army infantry some 58 years before his great-great niece was born.

My elder daughter, Elena, is immensely proud of the fact that her great-great uncle fell in battle whilst defending his Motherland.

Kreakly, of course, and other such Russia-hating "progressives", would ridicule such pride that my daughter bears.

And they would label her a "fake", I presume.

kirill, May 16, 2015 at 6:33 am
Since they have photos that have been magnified and put on placards this must have been organized. Since it was organized, it must have been Putin's doing. Therefore this is nothing but artificial propaganda theater.

The above is the retarded logic I am seeing. It is actually beyond retarded. People who spout it in Russia need to be chased down, beaten severely and then put on the next plane for their promised land in NATO.

marknesop, May 16, 2015 at 9:32 am
It is impossible for the western media to disguise the fact that the Parade of the Immortal Regiment was a game-changing event, a physical expression of nationalist pride that should leave the hopes of those who believe they can break Russia's will as ashes in their mouths.

Sanctions which were intended to make the Russian people suffer so that they would blame their leader and turn against him have failed spectacularly in more ways than one – they have failed because they did not achieve their goal, but that is just the tip of the iceberg.

They failed because they showed the west to the Russian people as it really is, and buried any hope of an eventual fruitful partnership if Russia would just bend a little more, accept a little less, give up something else. Russia should thank the west for the sanctions regime, because it did more to disarm and render harmless the precious kreakly than any other single action could have done short of war. And in fact the failure of sanctions may prevent the latter.

[May 15, 2015] Ходорковский: Бескровной смены режима не будет

May 15, 2015 | maxfux

"Die Welt", Michail Chodorkowski: „Es wird keinen unblutigen Regimewechsel geben" May 11, 2015

Очень показательное интервью Ходорковского. В отличие от разных больных на голову "шендеровичей" и перманентных ничтожных неудачников "миловых", Ходорковский способен к управлению большим коллективом, способен стать как генератором оппозиции, так и идеологическим папой. За ним есть опыт, влияние, ресурс, признание, структуры. Поэтому к его словам стоит относится внимательнее, чем к балабольству разных шехтманов.

Я оставлю данное интервью без своей оценки. Однако, отмечу, что в целом Ходорковского не пугает, что незаконная смена власти будет сопряжена с кровопролитием, гражданской войной и адским пламенем на Кавказе. Ради власти эти ребята готовы на все.

Через год с лишним после своего освобождения Михаил Ходорковский, когда-то самый влиятельный предприниматель России, говорит о Владимире Путине и своем заключении. Что касается его родины, то ей он предсказывает перемены, во время которых не избежать насилия.

Die Welt: В России государственная власть целиком сконцентрирована вокруг Владимира Путина. Насколько силен президент в действительности?

Михаил Ходорковский: Путин в состоянии реально контролировать лишь небольшое количество процессов. Лично он может заниматься одним крупным кризисом, возможно, даже двумя одновременно, если они очень серьезны. В этом заключается преимущество авторитарной системы, но у нее есть и серьезные недостатки. Путин не в состоянии решать множество проблем одновременно. В стране, где уничтожены реальные институты государственной власти - независимая юстиция, парламент, местные органы самоуправления -, власть имущие теряют способность справляться со сложными вызовами в адрес общества. Наше государство очень централизовано, но слабо.

- После убийства лидера оппозиции Бориса Немцова в России заговорили о конфликте между чеченским президентом Рамзаном Кадыровым и московскими силовиками. Насколько серьезно об этом можно говорить?

- Этот конфликт имеет системный характер. В условиях обвала экономики начинаются конфликты между различными группировками, борющимися за сферы влияния и источники финансирования. Кадыров хочет большей независимости для своих вассальных структур в Чечне, оставаясь, однако, преданным Путину. При этом Кадырова окружает этническая преступная группировка, вступающая в конфликт со слабым, по сути, российским государством. Те, кому положено стоять на страже закона, не могут вмешиваться, потому что людей Кадырова защищает Путин. Он их главный покровитель.

- А Путин по-прежнему контролирует эти группировки или, по сути, сам стал их заложником?

- Я уверен, что Путин был очень недоволен убийством Немцова. Я не верю, что Кадыров без разрешения Путина допустит, чтобы нечто подобное повторилось.

- То есть вы предполагаете, что Кадыров распорядился убить Немцова?

- Нет. Мне кажется, я знаю, кто был заказчиком его убийства. Но это не Кадыров, а кое-кто ниже уровнем.

- Кадыров знал, кто это?

- Он узнал об этом потом. Но теперь он знает, кто за этим стоит. Я в этом уверен.

- Можно ли считать убийство Немцова признаком слабости системы?

- Без сомнения. Убийство человека, входящего в политическую элиту, в двух шагах от Кремля -- это удар по неприкасаемости властных структур. Это ведет к дальнейшему ослаблению механизмов власти. Любой чиновник будет теперь думать, принимая решения: Путин может меня уволить, но люди Кадырова могут меня убить.

- Что может стать опасным для Путина? Возможен ли "дворцовый переворот"?

- "Дворцовый переворот" возможен лишь в случае конфликта с участием спецслужб. Никто другой на такое не способен. Как показывает ситуация с Кадыровым, такой конфликт вполне возможен.

- Многие боятся, что после Путина все станет еще хуже.

- Я думаю, Путин еще сам доведет свое дело до конца. А после него все может стать только лучше.

- Но до того момента внутриполитический климат может еще больше ухудшиться.

- Путин готов ужесточить репрессии. Но он не настолько этого хочет, насколько некоторые этого опасаются. Он не монстр. Он знает, что слишком жесткое подавление его противников может повлечь отрицательные последствия для него самого. Поэтому он должен быть готов к "зачистке рядов" среди элиты. При Сталине два процента населения стали жертвами репрессий со стороны государства. В рядах силовых структур и вовсе был репрессирован каждый четвертый. Готов ли Путин на такое? Я сомневаюсь.

- В сегодняшней России возможна бескровная смена власти?
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- Бескровной смены режима не будет. Тысячи людей знают, что им придется понести личную ответственность за то, что они сделали при Путине. Но перемены в России - это не главная проблема. Перемены случатся еще при нашей жизни. Гораздо опаснее положение, возникающее из-за политики режима на границах России. На востоке Украины уже возникла целая армия национал-шовинистов, у которых и в России появляется все больше и больше сторонников. А поскольку Путин в Чечне защищает своего вассала Кадырова, тот требует все большей и большей автономии. И когда эти силы столкнутся между собой, станет по-настоящему опасно, потому что это может привести к гражданской войне. А этого никто не хочет.

- После смерти Немцова оппозиция в России еще больше ослабла. Она действительно находится в такой же изоляции, как и диссиденты в Советском Союзе?

- Нет, даже в нынешних обстоятельствах 14% россиян открыто признаются, что не поддерживают власть. Оппозиция имеет твердую поддержку в 10-15% населения. Число ее сторонников может еще больше вырасти.

- С другой стороны, государственная пропаганда в России весьма эффективна. Как вы хотите достучаться до людей, которые в это верят?

- Я считаю, что путинская система просуществует дольше, чем думают некоторые оппозиционеры. Режим готов стрелять, а демократическая оппозиция не готова. Вероятность того, что этот аппарат власти рухнет в ближайшие десять лет, на мой взгляд, составляет 50%. Так что с уверенностью утверждать это не приходится, и поэтому я концентрируюсь на своих задачах по развитию гражданского общества, чтобы выросло число людей, открытых для демократических ценностей.

- Самым популярным противником режима в России сейчас является Алексей Навальный. Должна ли оппозиция объединиться вокруг него?

- Было бы прекрасно, если бы оппозиция состояла из различных сил, но при этом была способна объединиться, когда ей нужно будет выступить сообща.

- Это не очень похоже на слова поддержки в адрес Навального. Какую программу поддерживаете лично вы?

- Самая большая проблема России остается неизменной: отсутствие правового государства. Меры, которые нужно предпринять, сформулировать легко: власть должна регулярно меняться в ходе честных выборов. И тогда власть будет представлять избирателей, тогда появятся независимые суды и будут соблюдаться законы.

- Некоторые считают, что русским не нужна демократия, а нужна сильная личность во главе государства.

- Я сегодня пообщался с несколькими немцами, и они заверили меня, что многие здесь также нуждаются в сильном лидере, который, однако, разделял бы демократические ценности. Так что сильное руководство не исключает наличия демократических институтов.

- Как вы оцениваете ситуацию на Украине? Она действительно стала спокойнее, или это лишь иллюзия?

- Мне хочется верить, что там не произойдет новой эскалации конфликта, однако, вероятность, что это случится, велика. Открытым остается большой вопрос, покинут ли вооруженные граждане России Восточную Украину и действительно ли сепаратисты потеряют поддержку Москвы. Но именно это и было бы опасно для российского режима. Возвращение боевиков накалило бы ситуацию в стране. Путин сделает все для того, чтобы эти вооруженные люди как можно дольше оставались на востоке Украины.

- То есть надежды на эффективность новых минских мер безопасности призрачны?

- Альтернативы мирному процессу нет. Но при нынешнем режиме в России он не может быть стабильным. Можно ли заморозить конфликт? Теоретически можно. Нужно попробовать сделать это.

- Как должен вести себя Запад в общении с Путиным?

- Тот, кто на Западе утверждает, что с нынешним режимом можно заключать долгосрочные договоренности, либо глуп, либо лжец. Любые договоренности будут ежесекундно подвергаться сомнениям. Конечно, с Россией нужно продолжать диалог, но надежды на реальное единение иллюзорны, потому что в России нет реальных институтов власти. Даже в советские времена было Политбюро, и генеральный секретарь не принимал решения единолично. Поэтому советский режим был предсказуем. Теперь же ситуация иная: Путин разрушил институты государственной власти, и это привело к тому, что в России нет взаимного контроля органов власти, да и четкого разделения власти тоже нет.

- Какие интересы может преследовать президент, замораживая конфликт на Украине вместо того, чтобы распалить его с новой силой?

- Путину не нужна постоянная напряженность. Он понял, что больше не является для своих бойцов идеальным лидером. Чтобы удержаться у власти, замороженный конфликт его вполне устроит. Силы, участвующие в нем, будут и далее оставаться на востоке Украины, но не разрастаться. Это важно и по другой причине: успех Украины стал бы примером для демократических изменений в России. К сожалению, это понимает и Путин. Поэтому одним из его приоритетов является крах украинского эксперимента.

- Украинское руководство движется в правильном направлении?

- Я бы хотел, чтобы оно ввиду вооруженной конфронтации оставалось единым. Но иногда бывает заметно, что это не так. Еще я бы хотел, чтобы Украина стала для России образцом для подражания в вопросах борьбы с коррупцией. Но пока я не знаю ни одного примера решительных действий в этом направлении.

- Что вы думаете по поводу украинского президента Петра Порошенко?

- Я встречался с ним. Я понимаю, откуда он пришел, как он мыслит и как действует. Больше я ничего не хочу говорить. Я же не являюсь активистом украинской оппозиции.

- Вы десять лет провели в заключении. Насколько вы изменились из-за этого?

- Когда мне говорят, что с кем-то невозможно вести диалог, я вспоминаю эти десять лет моей жизни и улыбаюсь. Однажды я сидел в одной камере с националистом Владимиром Квачковым. Мы нормально общались и решали свои повседневные проблемы. До этого я даже представить себе не мог, что сумею общаться с такими людьми. Но говорить надо со всеми.

- Даже с советником Путина Игорем Сечиным, который в большой степени виноват в том, что вас посадили в тюрьму?

- Да, говорить надо со всеми. Но это не значит, что всех надо прощать. Простить можно того, кто раскаялся в содеянном. Сечина надо отдать под суд, и я был бы готов выступить свидетелем.

- Путин сказал, что его "университетами" было детство, проведенное на улице. А вашими "университетами" стала тюрьма?

- Несмотря на мое непростое отношение к Путину, я не желаю ему получить такое "второе образование", какое пришлось получить мне. Мы росли в одинаковых условиях. Если то, что он рассказывает, правда, то у нас с ним было похожее детство. Но я постарался изгнать из себя следы "улицы", а Путин, напротив, культивирует ее, став президентом.

- Чему можно научиться на улицах российских городов?

- Помните фильм "Крестный отец"? Это похоже на то, что Путин называет своими "уличными университетами". Принципиальная разница между Путиным и мной состоит в том, что я предсказуем. Путин же гордится своей непредсказуемостью. Многие политологи даже считают, что в России властители должны быть непредсказуемыми. Я не могу с этим согласиться. Россия - "глобальный игрок" и не может себе позволить быть непредсказуемой.

- В этом вопросе мы вынуждены возразить вам. В конце 1990-х годов вы тоже были непредсказуемы для западных инвесторов.

- Я считаю иначе. После российского кризиса 1998 года я поехал в Германию и подробно расписывал банкам, как будет развиваться ситуация. Я сказал: "Не волнуйтесь и не делайте необдуманных шагов, и через некоторое время вы получите обратно все ваши инвестиции". И все получилось именно так, как я и говорил. Тот, кто мне поверил, получил хорошую прибыль.

- Еще раз о Путине. Несмотря ни на что, вы должны быть благодарны президенту. Он помиловал вас в декабре 2013 года. Через три месяца, после аннексии Крыма, он бы, возможно, так не поступил.

- Я уверен, что мое освобождение стало возможным благодаря определенным людям - Гансу-Дитриху Геншеру (Hans-Dietrich Genscher - министр иностранных дел ФРГ объединенной Германии в 1974-1992 годах - прим. пер.), Ангеле Меркель, нашим правозащитникам. Я понимаю, что согласие Путина было очень важно. Он столь же легко мог бы распорядиться возбудить и третье дело против меня, о чем его неоднократно просил Сечин. Все это я понимаю. И это влияет на мое эмоциональное отношение к Германии и госпоже Меркель - но также и к Путину. Это не нравится некоторым оппозиционерам, которые говорят, что надо быть бескомпромиссным. Но я все-таки просто человек.

- Как часто вы вспоминаете свое заключение?

- У меня стабильная психика, и я не вспоминаю о тюрьме. Я часто рассказываю о своей жизни в заключении - это был важный опыт. Но эмоционально меня это больше не трогает.

- Вы можете себе представить, что когда-нибудь еще раз займетесь бизнесом?

- Нет, это исключено. Я хочу посвятить остаток жизни новому делу: помочь российскому обществу стать демократическим.

- Когда в конце 2013 года вас освободили из заключения, вы заявили, что не будете участвовать в политике. Теперь же вы не исключаете, что в кризисной ситуации могли бы стать президентом - на время. Почему вы вдруг изменили свое мнение по этому поводу?

- Это совсем иная ситуация. Тогда еще была надежда, что наша политическая система раскроется. Но эта надежда умерла после начала войны на Украине. Мы движемся совсем к другому общественному строю. Мы переживаем распад государственных институтов, напоминающий распад СССР. Если режим падет, то каждый должен быть готов отдать ради своей страны все.

- У вас есть политический кумир?

- На моем рабочем столе стоял портрет Маргарет Тэтчер с подписью: "Если вы хотите, чтобы о чем-то говорили, поручите это мужчине, но если вы хотите, чтобы что-то было сделано, то поручите это женщине". (Смеется.) Это предложение в большой степени правдиво, в том числе и в отношении России.

[May 15, 2015]Why I Wept at the Russian Parade Information Clearing House

May 14, 2015 "Information Clearing House"

Something extraordinary just took place in Russia and it may have moved our disturbed world one major step nearer to peace and away from a looming new world war. Of all unlikely things, what took place was a nationwide remembrance by Russians of the estimated 27 to perhaps 30 million Soviet citizens who never returned alive from World War II. Yet in what can only be described in a spiritual manner, the events of May 9, Victory Day over Nazism, that took place across all Russia, transcended the specific day of memory on the 70th anniversary of the end of World War II in 1945. It was possible to see a spirit emerge from the moving events unlike anything this author has ever witnessed in his life.

The event was extraordinary in every respect. There was a sense in all participants that they were shaping history in some ineffable way. It was no usual May 9 annual show of Russia's military force. Yes, it featured a parade of Russia's most advanced military hardware, including the awesome new T-14 Armata tanks, S-400 anti-missile systems and advanced Sukhoi Su-35 fighter jets. It was indeed impressive to watch.

The military part of the events also featured for the first time ever elite soldiers from China's Peoples' Liberation Army marching in formation along with Russian soldiers. That in itself should shivers down the spines of the neoconservative warhawks in the EU and Washington, had they any spines to shiver. The alliance between the two great Eurasian powers-Russia and China-is evolving with stunning speed into a new that will change the economic dynamic of our world from one of debt, depression, and wars to one of rising general prosperity and development if we are good enough to help make it happen.

During his visit, China's President XI, in addition to his quite visible honoring of the Russian Victory event and its significance for China, met separately with Vladimir Putin and agreed that China's emerging New Silk Road high-speed railway infrastructure great project will be integrated in planning and other respects with Russia's Eurasian Economic Union which now consists of Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan and Armenia with several prospective candidates waiting to join. While it may seem an obvious step, it was not at all certain until now.

The two great Eurasian countries have now cemented the huge oil and gas deals between them, the trade deals and the military cooperation agreements with a commitment to fully integrate their economic infrastructure. Following his meeting with Xi, Putin told the press, "The integration of the Eurasian Economic Union and Silk Road projects means reaching a new level of partnership and actually implies a common economic space on the continent."

It's Zbigniew Brzezinski's worst geopolitical nightmare come to fruition. And that, thanks to the stupid, short-sighted geopolitical strategy of Brzezinski and the Washington war faction that made it clear to Beijing and to Moscow their only hope for sovereign development and to be free of the dictates of a Washington-Wall Street Sole Superpower was to build an entire monetary and economic space independent of the dollar world.

[May 14, 2015]War-Crazed Western Propaganda Machine Rages at Its Growing Insignificance

russia-insider.com

Atlantic Alliance media apparatus lashing out like a dying demon at the reality of being successfully confronted by the truth

This article originally appeared at CounterPunch

In mid-April, hundreds of U.S. paratroopers from the 173rd Airborne Brigade arrived in western Ukraine to provide training for government troops. The UK had already started its troop-training mission there, sending 75 troops to Kiev in March. [1] On April 14, the Canadian government announced that Canada will send 200 soldiers to Kiev, contributing to a military build-up on Russia's doorstep while a fragile truce is in place in eastern Ukraine.

The Russian Embassy in Ottawa called the decision "counterproductive and deplorable," stating that the foreign ministers of France, Germany, Russia and Ukraine have "called for enhanced intra-Ukrainian political dialogue," as agreed upon in the Minsk-2 accords in February, and that it would be "much more reasonable to concentrate on diplomacy…" [2]

That viewpoint is shared by many, especially in Europe where few are eager for a "hot" war in the region. Nor are most people enamoured of the fact that more billions are being spent on a new arms-race, while "austerity" is preached by the 1 Per Cent.

But in the Anglo-American corridors of power (also called the Atlantic Alliance), such views are seen to be the result of diabolical propaganda spread through the Internet by Russia's "secret army." On April 15, the U.S. House Foreign Affairs Committee, chaired by Ed Royce (R-Calif.), held a hearing entitled "Confronting Russia's Weaponization of Information," with Royce claiming that Russian propaganda threatens "to destabilize NATO members, impacting our security commitments." [3]

The Committee heard from three witnesses: Elizabeth Wahl, former anchor for the news agency Russia Today (RT) who gained her moment of fame by resigning on camera in March 2014; Peter Pomerantsev, Senior Fellow at the Legatum Institute (a right-wing UK think-tank); and Helle C. Dale, Senior Fellow for Public Diplomacy at The Heritage Foundation, a right-wing U.S. think-tank. [4] The Foreign Affairs Committee website contains video clips of the first two witnesses – well worth watching if you enjoy Orwellian rhetoric passionately delivered.

The day before the hearing, in an op-ed for the Wall Street Journal, Royce wrote,

"Vladimir Putin has a secret army. It's an army of thousands of 'trolls,' TV anchors and others who work day and night spreading anti-American propaganda on the Internet, airwaves and newspapers throughout Russia and the world. Mr. Putin uses these misinformation warriors to destabilize his neighbors and control parts of Ukraine. This force may be more dangerous than any military, because no artillery can stop their lies from spreading and undermining U.S. security interests in Europe." [5]

In her formal (printed) submission, Ms. Wahl referred to the Internet's "population of paranoid skeptics" and wrote: "The paranoia extends to believing that Western media is not only complicit, but instrumental in ensuring Western dominance."

Helle C. Dale warned of "a new kind of propaganda, aimed at sowing doubt about anything having to do with the U.S. and the West, and in a number of countries, unsophisticated audiences are eating it up."

Peter Pomerantsev claimed that Russia's goal is "to trash the information space with so much disinformation so that a conversation based on actual facts would become impossible." He added, "Throughout Europe conspiracy theories are on the rise and in the US trust in the media has declined. The Kremlin may not always have initiated these phenomena, but it is fanning them…Democracies are singularly ill equipped to deal with this type of warfare. For all of its military might, NATO cannot fight an information war. The openness of democracies, the very quality that is meant to make them more competitive than authoritarian models, becomes a vulnerability."

Chairman Royce called for "clarifying" the mission of the Broadcasting Board of Governors (BBG), the U.S. federal agency whose networks include Voice of America, Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty, the Middle East Broadcasting Networks (Alhurra TV and Radio Sawa), Radio Free Asia, and the Office of Cuba Broadcasting (Radio and TV Marti). [6]

The BBG is apparently in disarray. According to Helle Dale's submission, on March 4, 2015, Andrew Lack, the newly hired CEO of BBG's International Broadcasting, left the position after only six weeks on the job. On April 7, the Director of Voice of America, David Ensor, announced that he was leaving.

Andrew Lack was formerly the president of NBC News. As Paul Craig Roberts has recently noted, Lack's first official statement as CEO of the BBG

"compared RT, Russia Today, the Russian-based news agency, with the Islamic State and Boko Haram. In other words, Mr. Lack brands RT as a terrorist organization. The purpose of Andrew Lack's absurd comparison is to strike fear at RT that the news organization will be expelled from US media markets. Andrew Lack's message to RT is: 'lie for us or we are going to expel you from our air waves.' The British already did this to Iran's Press TV. In the United States the attack on Internet independent media is proceeding on several fronts." [7]

Ironically, however, it's likely that one of the biggest threats (especially in Europe) to Anglo-American media credibility about Ukraine and other issues is coming from a very old-fashioned medium – a book.

Udo Ulfkotte's bestseller Bought Journalists has been a sensation in Germany since its publication last autumn. The journalist and former editor of one of Germany's largest newspapers, Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, revealed that he was for years secretly on the payroll of the CIA and was spinning the news to favour U.S. interests. Moreover he alleges that some major media are nothing more than propaganda outlets for international think-tanks, intelligence agencies, and corporate high-finance.

"We're talking about puppets on a string," he says, "journalists who write or say whatever their masters tell them to say or write. If you see how the mainstream media is reporting about the Ukraine conflict and if you know what's really going on, you get the picture. The masters in the background are pushing for war with Russia and western journalists are putting on their helmets." [8]

In another interview, Ulfkotte said: "The German and American media tries to bring war to the people in Europe, to bring war to Russia. This is a point of no return, and I am going to stand up and say…it is not right what I have done in the past, to manipulate people, to make propaganda against Russia, and it is not right what my colleagues do, and have done in the past, because they are bribed to betray the people not only in Germany, all over Europe." [9]

With the credibility of the corporate media tanking, Eric Zuesse recently wrote, "Since Germany is central to the Western Alliance – and especially to the American aristocracy's control over the European Union, over the IMF, over the World Bank, and over NATO – such a turn away from the American Government [narrative] threatens the dominance of America's aristocrats (who control our Government). A breakup of America's [Atlantic] 'Alliance' might be in the offing, if Germans continue to turn away from being just America's richest 'banana republic'." [10]

No wonder the House Foreign Affairs Committee hearing on April 15 had such urgent rhetoric, especially from Peter Pomerantsev, Senior Fellow at the Legatum Institute – a London-based international think-tank whose motto is "Prosperity Through Revitalizing Capitalism and Democracy" and whose stated mission is "promoting prosperity through individual liberty, free enterprise and entrepreneurship, character and values."

At the end of March, Conservative London mayor Boris Johnson (named as a potential successor to David Cameron) helped launch the Legatum Institute's "Vision of Capitalism" speakers' series, whose rallying cry is "It's time for friends of capitalism to fight back." [11] The sponsor of the event was the British Private Equity & Venture Capital Association (BVCA), whose membership comprises "more than 500 influential firms, including over 230 private equity and venture capital houses, as well as institutional investors, professional advisers, service providers and international associations." It is not clear whether the BVCA is also sponsoring the Legatum Institute's "Vision of Capitalism" series.

The Legatum Institute was founded by billionaire Christopher Chandler's Legatum Ltd. – a private investment firm headquartered in Dubai. According to The Legatum Institute's website, its executives and fellows write for an impressive number of major media outlets, including the Washington Post, Slate, the New York Review of Books, Foreign Policy, New Republic, the Daily Telegraph, The Times, the London Review of Books, the Atlantic, and the Financial Times.

Nonetheless, the Legatum Institute's Peter Pomeranzev told the U.S. House Committee on Foreign Affairs that "Russia has launched an information war against the West – and we are losing."
Chairperson Ed Royce noted during the hearing that if certain things are repeated over and over, a "conspiracy theory" takes on momentum and a life of its own.

Pomeranzev said the Kremlin is "pushing out more conspiracy" and he explained, "What is conspiracy – sort of a linguistic sabotage on the infrastructure of reason. I mean you can't have a reality-based discussion when everything becomes conspiracy. In Russia, the whole discourse is conspiracy. Everything is conspiracy." He added, "Our global order is based on reality-based politics. If that reality base is destroyed, then you can't have international institutions, international dialogue." Lying, he said, "makes a reality-based politics impossible" and he called it "a very insidious trend."

Apparently, Pomeranzev has forgotten that important October 2004 article by Ron Suskind published in the New York Times Magazine during the second war in Iraq (which, like the first, was based on a widely disseminated lie). Suskind quoted one of George W. Bush's aides (probably Karl Rove): "The aide said that guys like me [journalists, writers, historians] were 'in what we call the reality-based community,' which he defined as people who 'believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality…That's not the way the world really works anymore,' he continued. 'We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality – judiciously, as you will – we'll act again, creating other new realities which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do'." [12]

It's a rather succinct description of Orwellian spin and secrecy in a media-saturated Empire, where discerning the truth becomes ever more difficult.

That is why people believe someone like Udo Ulfkotte, who is physically ill, says he has only a few years left to live, and told an interviewer, "I am very fearful of a new war in Europe, and I don't like to have this situation again, because war is never coming from itself, there is always people who push for war, and this is not only politicians, it is journalists too…We have betrayed our readers, just to push for war…I don't want this anymore, I'm fed up with this propaganda. We live in a banana republic and not in a democratic country where we have press freedom…" [13]

Recently, as Mike Whitney has pointed out in CounterPunch (March 10), Germany's newsmagazine Der Spiegel dared to challenge the fabrications of NATO's top commander in Europe, General Philip Breedlove, for spreading "dangerous propaganda" that is misleading the public about Russian "troop advances" and making "flat-out inaccurate statements" about Russian aggression.

Whitney asks, "Why this sudden willingness to share the truth? It's because they no longer support Washington's policy, that's why. No one in Europe wants the US to arm and train the Ukrainian army. No wants them to deploy 600 paratroopers to Kiev and increase U.S. logistical support. No one wants further escalation, because no wants a war with Russia. It's that simple." [14] Whitney argued that "the real purpose of the Spiegel piece is to warn Washington that EU leaders will not support a policy of military confrontation with Moscow."

So now we know the reason for the timing of the April 15 U.S. House Foreign Affairs Committee hearing, "Confronting Russia's Weaponization of Information." Literally while U.S. paratroopers were en route to Kiev, the hawks in Washington (and London) knew it was time to crank up the rhetoric. The three witnesses were most eager to oblige.

[May 13, 2015] How Russias opposition united to finish Nemtsovs report on Ukraine

May 13, 2015 | The Guardian


MaoChengJi -> kolf 13 May 2015 10:37

note was supported by hundreds of thousands - that is not a coup, but a revolution

Aside from the fact that in a 40 million people nation 'hundreds of thousands' is very far from a majority, it's the protests that were supported by hundreds of thousands.

Feb 21 Yanuk signs the agreement with the opposition, negotiated and guaranteed by European politicians. Stipulating early elections, amnesties, rollback of some laws, investigations of the police abuses, etc. It was accepted and signed by the opposition, i.e. those representing these hundreds of thousands you're taking about.

Had this agreement been implemented, everything would've probably worked out somehow.

Instead, a few ultra-nationalist militants, a fringe, refuse to accept the agreement. They take over the government. And the opposition politicians play along and become figureheads, puppets. And that's what's been going on there since: militant ultra-nationalist fringe is controlling the regime from the inside, and the US and EU from the outside, supplying them with money, weapons, propaganda, and diplomatic support. What a shame.

Babeouf 13 May 2015 08:57

Look Kerry went to see Putin to sell off an unwanted collection of Ukrainian Fascists. Apparently the Fascists had disappointed their US owners. And afterwards the invariable accompaniment of the brush off Kerry phoned Kyiv but didn't stop off on his way home. Today Yats is in Paris and the Choc Soldier is in Germany.

Their survival now depends on Germany and France. So this sad collection of non entities now have to cut a deal with Putin, on Russia's terms. I 'm not surprised that the US public repudiation of the previous US policy of isolating 'Russia' is not noticed by the Guardian.

As for the Russian opposition their identification with the 'invader at the Gates' has finished them off for a generation at least.

entirely pro-government now, apart from one radio station Ekho Moskvy, and one TV station Dozhd

MaoChengJi -> kolf, 13 May 2015 07:01

That's precisely NOT entirely. Besides, kommersant is a newspaper, not broadcast media. There are plenty of opposition newspapers. Also, when the government is popular, the media, naturally, reflects that - there's nothing sinister about it. And murdering people is a crime, where they are journalists or not.

it is rather like the soldiers that have to "resign" before they patriotically "volunteer" in Donbass, when instructed to do so - a mere technicality

Perhaps. But we don't know that. I understand the suspicion, but not the certainty. Strelkov, in particular, gives the impression of very much anti-government character. A right-wing government opponent. Personally, I see absolutely no reason to believe that he was sent or controlled by the RF government. I'd be surprised.

The violent takeovers in Donbass were carried out initially by small Russian-sponsored groups, with the support of special forces from Russia, who carried out a range of criminal and paramilitary activity including abduction, intimidation, murders, attacks on Ukrainian military bases, and destroying military Ukrainian aircraft on the ground


This is a bunch of lies. The protests in Donetsk started the next day after the coup, I saw videos. Gubarev became the 'people's governor'. He was arrested - protests became more violent. I watched videos with old ladies blocking roads to stop the regime's troops carriers.

was installed by the Rada after the previous president fled

Oh, god. President fleeing and the majority party decimated (their offices burned) is the definition of a coup d'etat. He didn't resign, he didn't die, and he wasn't even impeached - they tried but they didn't have the votes.

Can anyone in the right mind and not being disingenuous still insist that it wasn't a coup? I don't think so. So, go ahead, have your last word.

Dmitry Berezhnov -> Botswana61 13 May 2015 04:06

RFE is US propaganda bullhorn, of course I believe them in anything they say about Russia.

MaoChengJi -> kolf 13 May 2015 04:05

even Russian media acknowledges it

you appear to be under the impression that Russian media are all pro-government. This completely disproves your statement that you "know the difference between propaganda and journalism". A large portion of the Russian media is rabidly anti-government. If you knew the difference between propaganda and journalism, you would've known it.

All that "clearly" is just your impression, based on anti-Russian propaganda, on the stories you read and believe. What's clear to you isn't clear to others, if they read different stories. In fact, exactly the opposite can be clear to them. It's important for you to understand that your stories are not at all better than their stories.

Also, "war started by Russian intelligence officers like Strelkov and Borodai" is all wrong, objectively. Strelkov and Borodai are not Russian intelligence officers. The Kiev regime attacked Donbas, Donbas did not attack Kiev. If Kiev acknowledged the referendum, there would've been no war. The important thing to understand here is that the Kiev regime was NOT at that time - without any doubt - a legitimate government, even if you believe that the current government is legitimate (I don't).

Kiev had a revolution, and then Donetsk had a revolution. Then Kiev attacked Donetsk. It didn't have to, but it did. Blaming this on Russia is disinformation and a manifestation of russophobia.

lionarslan Botswana61 13 May 2015 03:45

Mr. Lavrov never denied that there's Russian citizens in Ukraine. Do you know the difference between soldiers (people who signed obligatory military contract and take a vow to serve their country) and volunteers (people who consciously decided to do something or to go somewhere)? People from Russia, Germany, Spain, Netherlands comes to Donbass to fight for freedom of people of Donbass. They volunteered, no one forced them. And that is what Sergey Lavrov "admitted".

I read that report, that's really science-ficton. All so-called proofs are quotes without context which someone can understand in more than one way. The text itself is clear anti-Putin propaganda. It was really boring to read that text. It's like watching "Glee" only Glee has wonderful songs and some of actors are really good in their play.

Russian self-named opposition's report is much more boring and have so much realism as tv-series "Glee".

lionarslan -> freedomcry 13 May 2015 03:21

Nationalists in Russia was never decent and sober-minded people. In time of Russian empire they were terrorists, in modern Russia they are still the same. Moreover, if you are sentient being you wouldn't support ideas of nationalists in any possible way. Do you forgot what nationalists did in Germany and then in half of the world in last century?

Agatha_appears -> freedomcry 13 May 2015 01:53

it is not opposition. This is a group of people who, like Yashin, have never worked, never done anything useful. They found a job paid by the US State Dep-t. Their responsibility is to play against official Russia according to US scenario. They buy luxurious cars, apartments, go to expensive resorts. Their main audience is the western media. There is a small group of Russia haters inside the country who notice them.

There are nationalists who oppose the Kremlin. They are radicals. Some of them are in prison. They represent larger part of Russian society than so to say "liberals". Their views are similar to Ukranian nazi who are in power in Kiev. Putin tries to maintain balance and does not let them come to power, speak publicly, because nationalism is infection desease ( see what is going on in Ukraine). And Russian nationalism can be as awful as Ukrainian. It is close to fascism.


Dmitry Berezhnov -> Tepluken
13 May 2015 01:05

Funny enough to see fairytales about Savushkina st. Once I have decided to waste some time and watched a video about a "troll lair", well, small office with like 10-12 people there. Do you really call that a HQ of Evil Russain Propaganda Machine?

Let's just mention that:

1. UK officially annouced creation of cybersquad with unmentioned budget for delivering a propaganda.

2. US spending over 1 bln in 2014 for Russian opposition NGO sponssorship and declaring a war on "Russian propaganda" with it's own propaganda via BBG and state controlled media throughour Europe with gazillion bucks budget.

3. Ukraine creating a Truth Ministry and Ukranian Information Army with up to this very moment over 40 000! volunteers, not mentioning a full-time staff.

And we do not know about other countries trolls. In my humble opinion, Savushkina with it's 20 people tops looks very very faintly.

Colin Robinson 13 May 2015 00:31

Claims about Russian forces covertly entering the Donbas region, even if true, cannot explain the conflict there.

It would hardly be possible for Russian tanks to move across the border, without being shot at or even photographed, unless the local population had previously rejected the Kiev régime and removed its border guards.

This is conflict between two constituencies within Ukraine itself, not between a supposedly united Ukraine and a supposedly ambitious president of Russia.


normankirk -> Botswana61 12 May 2015 23:36

What do you mean he's just admitted it, he's never denied it. I would be disgusted if no help had been given to eastern Ukrainian civilians, HRW and Amnesty intern. have both recorded use of illegal weapons against civilians by the Ukrainian army.

If ever there was a reason for humanitarian intervention you need go no further than protecting unarmed civilians from cluster bombs

MichaPalkin -> bcnteacher 12 May 2015 23:08

If they had found the slightest evidence it was indeed rebels' BUK, froth-at the mouth anti-Russian hysteria would have been filling the free press for months now. THE FACT IS THEY CAN'T. And since the Dutch keep remarkably quiet about it, what they v. probably have is the evidence to the contrary. When someone from the investigation tried to make the findings public a few weeks ago - he was immediately silenced and fired. This is called cover-up. It shouldn't be that difficult to tell BUK from air-to-air missile really. So this investigation will either go on into the plus infinity or they'll say some evasive bs, no media outlet would ever mention it and that would be the end of it. Ok?

BorninUkraine -> Chirographer 12 May 2015 22:46

There is real opposition in Russia. If I lived there, I'd be one of them. But those are the people who do not sell their country to foreign interests, never touch Western money, and therefore are not promoted by Western media owned by the same interests that purchase third-rate opposition figures in Russia.

To give you a few examples, Eduard Limonov, Boris Kagarlitsky (who even spent some time in jail in Soviet period), and others like them are opposition, but they are not bought and paid for traitors. That's why they are not rich.

Unlike Nemtsiov, they cannot afford to pay for the abortion of a whore in Switzerland. You are welcome to ask your supervisor to find out who they are.

BorninUkraine -> nnedjo 12 May 2015 21:45

The "government" in Kyiv absolutely needs this alleged Russia aggression.

How else can they explain that they ran into the ground a reasonably decent country so quickly: from solid third world to total shit in a bit over a year.

If Poroshenko, Yatsenyuk, and Co acknowledge how much they steal and how incompetent they are, their puppeteers might start looking for better puppets, and that would never do.

BorninUkraine -> Paul Moore 12 May 2015 21:36

Oh, yes. Military officials in Sweden have already been looking very hard for a Russian submarine. As soon as they achieved what they wanted, an increase in the military budget, they acknowledged that no submarine ever existed.

Apparently someone in Finland also wants a bigger military budget. How creative, wouldn't you say?

Sergey A Gimranov 12 May 2015 21:33

Good science-fiction report. The highlight of the presentation was "We don't have any actual evidence but we know troops were there". I could not believe they said that. Lame and fake! Shocking discovery from the "book" Russian troops were in Crimea on Russian military bases. Oh my God! Standards are lower and lower with each and every article. Where are the reporters? Why they cannot go there and report it? I guess narrative would change drastically.

Roodan 12 May 2015 20:57

But I do agree the government in Kiev does not represent the political will of all of its people and hence the civil war. That there is external support for each side in this war form special forces or otherwise be they NATO or Russian that this is not the cause of the war . I do not my self understand the relevance of the article, it states the obvious. Only a regional settlement between the waring parties will end the war. A ettlement in which all of the aspiration of the people in the Ukrainian, have representation perhaps a federation or Union like the EU .

I don't think there is any value in supporting one side against the other to impose a system of government with out the support of the people . That is a dictatorship and I don't support dictatorships by any military alliance NATO or Russian federation, they result in perpetual war in which only the powerless suffer.

Chirographer -> Walter Potocki 12 May 2015 20:55

You seem to very concerned about who paid for the report. Why? That doesn't address the content of the report at all.

And wouldn't there be more money and a lot safer life for this Yashin character if he'd published a book supporting the government's narrative?

Walter Potocki 12 May 2015 20:18

there were never CIA operatives in Ukraine, it is not true that Maiden was a western agencies. Just few masked people gathered on the square with clubs and firearms to have a fun

Walter Potocki 12 May 2015 20:13

Hi Tom, did you ask Russian opposition how much this report cost? You did not have to ask who paid, the same sponsored paid for your piece. Nice propaganda.

nnedjo -> nnedjo 12 May 2015 19:21

And to add one more thing. If I'd lived in the southeast of Ukraine and if my government would abolish my salary, and, on the other hand, if I would have known that soldiers receive 90,000 rubles per month, that would be an extra motivation for me to join the rebel army. So, in that case there would be no need at all for the arrival of troops from Russia, because the Ukrainian government itself supports the recruitment in the Donbas, in a way that stopped the economic support to the region.

nnedjo -> Solongmariane 12 May 2015 19:11

It is ridiculous to speculate about it at all, because it is clear that Russia pays not only all the fighters in the southeast of Ukraine, but also all other citizens. Because how else they would survive, considering that the Ukrainian government has abolished them all salaries and pensions, and closed all the banks, and prevent the use of payment cards.

Thus, considering that the Ukrainian government itself agreed that someone else should pay these people, or more precisely, that Russia should pay them, then why do they complain about it now?

ID5868758 12 May 2015 18:26

You know, we're supposed to buy this narrative that Nemtsov was a credible political threat to Putin. But I remember seeing a video of a Russian TV station catching Nemtsov sneaking out of the side door of the American embassy in Moscow, and he was not a happy camper when he was caught.

Now, reverse that, and imagine an American politician being caught sneaking out of the side door of the Russian embassy in DC. How much credibility do you suppose that politician would have left with the American public?

Russians aren't really that different from Americans after all, and Nemtsov was no threat to Putin at all.

Puttepoju -> Kaiama 12 May 2015 18:06

Dear Kaiama.

Russian journalists are clever and wise. They are better than the entire US satellite system. They have "common sense".I like Russia and Russians --- but what I like most -- is to be honest. My best greetings. Puttepoju

Falloe7 12 May 2015 18:00

more PROPAGANDA and the media of the West naturally believes it -because they want to believe it if you are in opposition in anything you will make up stories about your opponent just like this past Election there was enough Lies by the parties about each other hoping the voters will believe it (and they did) and the same about Russia. the papers are well known for printing Lies or make up stories

Kaiama 12 May 2015 17:44

So how come 10 Russian journalist claim to find something that the entire US satellite system can't find? It comes as no surprise that Russian volunteers have been killed in Ukraine fighting alongside their relatives.

What is more telling is the 100,000+ Kiev draft evaders and 800,000+ displaced citizens - all in Russia (defected to the enemy? or simply more astute than their government in Kiev?

Solongmariane 12 May 2015 17:38

Some bizarre figures, I find ;
a) 53 bln Rubles is just around 1 Bln $. Isn't ? Not so much money, for a war with 40.000-50.000 fighters.
b) If the average of wages of 60.000 - 90.000 rubles is correct, It is around an army of 1.500 soldiers during 10 months.
Are my calculations correct ? Please, check it !

BorninUkraine -> bcnteacher 12 May 2015 17:32

I don't have anything except my brains, but that's enough to have a pretty prestigious job in the US.

Russia apparently has a lot to make self-appointed masters of the Universe in the US hysterical, and their European poodles even more so. Not to mention small-change commenters here paid very little (to match pathetic quality of their comments).
The three things that immediately come to mind regarding Russia are nukes, natural resources, and fighting spirit. Each of these would be enough to scare the opponents. For example, the opposition in Iraq and Afghanistan only has fighting spirit, and this was sufficient to make NATO retreat with its tail between its legs. Or, in 1940 France had an army at least as strong as Hitler's, but due to lack of fighting spirit it disgracefully surrendered in no time.

So, I can only express my sincerest condolences to the servants of humiliatingly hysterical masters.

nnedjo -> Metronome151 12 May 2015 17:22

Perhaps you are confused with suspicious arrest and detention of a female Ukranian pilot and Estonian security officer by the FSB. Must be he effect of those drugs you refer to.

Actually, in the event that you mentions use of the drug is excluded because the pilot Savchenko was very defiant during the examination before the cameras, which is why she has acquired the status of a national hero in Ukraine, and in the absence she is elected to parliament.

It is also interesting that the example of the pilot Savchenko is the first proven case of "a soldier on leave," who fought on the Ukrainian front. Because it is known that she left the regular Ukrainian army to join the volunteer battalion Aidar. So I do not see what is the problem that Russian troops also take leave and go to help the brothers in Ukraine.

However, Ms. Savchenko has one big problem. If she had been released from the Russian prison now, she would not have anywhere to return because her Aidar battalion was disbanded by the Ukrainian authorities.

Kiev Claims Is Disbanding Notorious Aidar Volunteer Battalion

KIEV, March 2, (TASS) - Ukraine's Defense Ministry is disbanding an armed militia group blamed for abuse during recent months of regional conflict, said to be out of control and with a splinter faction planning unrest in the capital...
The move follows the arrest of former Aidar battalion fighters said by Luhansk regional administration head Gennady Moskal to be preparing transfer of weapons from the Ukraine's restive Donbas region in a bid to promote social upheaval in Kiev.

"Part of this unit long ago defected from Aidar and was engaged in looting, robbery, racketeering, auto theft and other crimes in regions controlled by the Ukrainian side," Moskal's website said.

Moskal added that an attempt had been prevented to take an arsenal of weapons from the area of combat operations in Donbas to Kiev. The arms were meant for "destabilizing the situation" in the capital.

Babeouf 12 May 2015 17:11

So the opposition united to produce a monster /blockbuster report ,you say , well when there is a report I shall force myself to read it to see what evidence it actually contains. I seen no evidence open source or otherwise just assertions based on claims made by person or persons unknown. This battle over Russian troops is itself a proxy war between the supporters of the US and the rest of the world.

MichaPalkin -> alpamysh 12 May 2015 17:09

What's truly outstanding is how lame you are and inept Kiev regime is. And quit blubbering gibberish. It simply kills me how low RFE standards sunk. You're trained very badly, klopets.

nnedjo -> alpamysh 12 May 2015 16:28

Gosh, you seem to have a lot of them--and you said all we had to do was just watch ONE
I am talking here about a group of 10 soldiers who were captured by the Ukrainian Security Service last year.

Yes, there are several of these videos, and from each of them, it is clear that the soldiers recite a prepared text directly into the camera.

VladimirM -> SoloLoMejor 12 May 2015 16:28

He is not, I think. But I did, actually, it is in Russian on the Dozhd website. I had an impression of reading some of the articles here in the Guardian but in Russian. Or even some posters, which is weird. The report is incoherent, includes many topics, just one chapter is about the Russian troops in Donbas. You may read anything here in the Guardian to get some idea of what the report is like. The article "Invisible army…" will do, I think. In my view, the report is utter rubbish and does not live up to expectations.

nnedjo 12 May 2015 15:56

As I saw in another article this report mentions the examination of Russian soldiers caught in Ukraine. We all remember this event in the summer of last year. Internet was flooded with videos with "examination" of Russian "prisoners of war" who were actually recited a prepared text that was placed somewhere in front of them and behind the camera. I think it was clear to everyone at the first viewing of the video.

As an example, look at examination of the imprisoned soldier Alexei Generalov. This guy almost three minutes talking without interruption and without pauses, with a view strictly focused at one point, probably in some text that he reads somewhere on the left side of the camera. In one moment the examiner asks him something, and he looked at him, then to the right side of the camera.

A particular problem is the fact that these soldiers were arrested somewhere near the border under very suspicious circumstances. According to the official Ukrainian version, that the soldiers also recited in the camera, they were caught about twenty kilometers inside the Ukrainian territory. However, it is very possible that they were in fact kidnapped by Ukrainian special forces on the Russian side of the border.
You can say that this is my very bold assumption. But, one can easily notice that during examination these soldiers were very disoriented. I would not be surprised if this is the result of a drug that has been deliberately given to captives in order to weaken their will, but I still stand by my first assumption that they were kidnapped.
For example, another captured soldier to the question of where he is, he replies: "I am now located in Ukraine, the city of Ukraine."

Thus, it is clear that this soldier has no idea what his exact location, and that he is completely disoriented, although they examined him in a tent (ie in a tent in the "city of Ukraine"), which should be somewhere near the scene of his capture. Here you can watch, from 0:59 onwards of this video:

Interrogation of Russian Soldier #3 Captured in Ukraine on August 25. English.

henrihenri 12 May 2015 15:45

`And he will NEVER risk an open confrontation with the West`.

Oh, this is the main mistake. The Western politician think that Putin doesn`t attack Ukraine because he`s afraid of the NATO, West, etc. No, he doesn`t. He just grants the West with a good chanceopportunity to go home without shame. Why to fight Ukraine if it sooner or later crawls back? It will, it will due to many objective reasons. No, Putin won`t send troops there until Ukrainians ask him. Russia does not need any war.

normankirk -> alpamysh 12 May 2015 15:45

Poroshenko still wants the Donetsk airport. Why are they breaking the ceasefire to try and get it back off the anti-govt fighters?

Madness to throw so many lives away

Noes Vencia -> alpamysh 12 May 2015 15:41

So 140 were given compensation to keep silence and 70 were not?!

1) Given compensation to keep silence will work in a couple of instance, never in dozens!

2) For sure it will never work, if then you don't give compensation to others.

3) Lets do some math; if Ukraine have 200,000 troops of which some 2500 died, at that rate if there are 210 dead Russian soldiers send by Moscow, that means Russia has send 16,800 troops! Trust me, you cannot send 1000 soldiers anywhere without being highly noticeable, the logistics are immense! Let alone 17000!.

4) What percentage does Kiev says of Russian troops are combating against? Because looking at the media seems that all are Russians. if so, that is a slap on the face to their own army that they cannot win an "army" of 12 times less soldiers with the same weaponry capabilities. If, however Russians are a small portion of the Revels, why 100% of focus on Russians so?

Again, I do believe Russia has personnel in there, but limited to advising and intelligence gathering. I highly doubt there are troops fighting because 1st, they don't need it (enough supply with the residents) and 2nd it would not have got better outcomes for their own safety or economy.

I feel sad that Ukrainians felt for antagonizing their biggest trading partner for the dream of UE. EU will not accept Ukraine in decades, enough we have with bankrupt tiny Greece, let alone 10 times bigger corrupted Ukraine. Nor will the French farmers will be happy with Ukrainian ones. Ukraine should had approached EU while maintained trade with Russia and assuring Russia that no NATO membership. That is what Finland choose even though of past severe confrontations with Russia; that pragmatism made of it a prosperous country.

[May 12, 2015] Kerry set to meet Putin in first visit to Russia since start of Ukraine crisis

The problem that West and first of all the USA and Germany face now is that Ukraine is another Greece. To keep it afloat financially requires tremendous and continues investment. 40 billions from IMF is only a start. Economic ties with Russia are destroyed. And without tens of billions of annual aid that means death sentence. Allowing it to fail with shake Western financial system and we do not know how many derivatives were written on Ukrainian debt and who holds them.
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Looks like MentalToo was on duty for this article with support of usual gang. There was even some backlash against "Hillary bots", specifically against alphamysh.
May 12, 2015 | The Guardian

Beckow -> StrategicVoice213 11 May 2015 22:26

By paying a price I clearly meant the very expensive support for Ukraine that EU has to provide, about 40 billion so far. The Ukraine's economy is down about 14% from just three years ago - this is going to get very, very expensive.

If you want to compare Russia's and EU's losses due to sanctions, they have been very substantial for both. EU has so far lost about 10 billion in exports and in the long run it is not clear who will end up losing more. Russia's GNP will drop by 3% after years of high growth (more than double in 10 years). EU has been largely stagnant and many countries there are still below where they were in '09 (Italy, Spain, ...).

Finally, militarily all that matters is who has local superiority. Russia has it in eastern Ukraine. You can squirm, hallucinate, cry all you want, there is no f...ing way that Nato can defeat Russia there.

They know it, thus the coming deal.

Dannycraig007 -> MentalToo 11 May 2015 21:34

You would prefer I use the corrupt and obviously biased mainstream Western media as sources I assume, rather than first person video accounts from the victims themselves? Award winning war correspondent and Guardian journalist John Pilger has a few words for you. http://www.discussionist.com/101459708 This is a must watch video about how the Western media operate from a man who was once a part of the establishment here at the Guardian.

Standupwoman -> Captain_Underpants 11 May 2015 17:08

Yep. I think my own Pollyanna moment is already beginning to seep away.

But the stakes are so high! NATO's revival of the 'hotline' has unilaterally put us back on a Cold War footing, and at a time when the Doomsday clock is already set at 3 minutes to midnight. Putin has shown incredible restraint so far, but if the provocations don't stop then I'm genuinely worried about what might happen.

Bosula -> samanthajsutton 11 May 2015 20:43

Neither side is very open about what support it provides.

Russia says openly it doesn't stop volunteers from Russia, often family, cross the border to fight with the East Ukrainians. They are also probably supplying weapons, but we don't really know. And no Russian troops have been captured despite the huge battles. To capture a Russian soldier in a fighting zone would be worth gold in terms of PR value.

The Eastern Ukrainian are having difficulties training all their volunteers (just too many) with a million refugees, many based in camps in Russia, providing a fertile source of volunteers. The West provides no humanitarian help - a short sighted strategic decision, maybe?

The US and their allies are also pretty secret about what support they provide - best estimates are around 1,500 advisers, trainers - and 'volunteers' fighting alongside privately funded far right militias and the Ukrainian army.

The US are not really in a position to take the self- righteous moral high ground in a civil war tens of thousands of kilometres from their home.

nnedjo -> MentalToo 11 May 2015 20:17

What little influence US has on events in Ukraine is irrelevant.

Because of this "little influence" the whole Ukrainian government has become irrelevant. You know, the fact that you do not see the strings that move their limbs does not mean that they are not puppets on the strings. And that guys from Washington hold the ends of the strings, that's probably clear to everyone after the cookies of Victoria Nuland. Or Toria, as poster Dipset called her.:-)))

Funny guy that Dipset, wonder why he is not here yet.

Standupwoman 11 May 2015 20:09

'Although the 300 US trainers are operating in the west of the country'

Are we really sure of this? Yes, Kiev has predictably denied Russian claims that American troops have been spotted in the Donbass, but the odd thing is that several pro-Kiev supporters have uploaded this footage of American training under the following description:

In Severodonetsk, Luhansk region instructors from Georgia, Israel and the US carried out military exercises with the soldiers of the special units of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine

Luhansk is in the ATO region - and Severodonetsk is very, very near to the front line.

geedeesee -> MentalToo 11 May 2015 20:05

Irrelevant ...?

Just the CIA advisers, military trainers, $billions of dollars, political cover, a propaganda machine.

geedeesee -> mlubiank 11 May 2015 19:59

Not proper interviews, are they? Just clips of sentences without knowing the question that is being answered. They wrap narrative around the comment. Not one of those nine soldiers admits to fighting in Ukraine, and the claim of written evidence from NGOs is negated towards the end of the article with the caveat that 'Ukraine' wasn't actually mentioned in the NGO's documentary evidence.

You're easily duped by propaganda.

Standupwoman -> ID5868758 11 May 2015 19:50

Understood. If governments had to actually fight the wars they started, the world would be a very different place...


Dannycraig007 -> mlubiank 11 May 2015 19:35

If your still doubtful about what the Kiev regime do to people who post unflattering information online, I present to you them demonstrating firsthand what happens when people step out of line. Graphic warning: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXnNDbJ7r0k&feature=youtu.be

geedeesee -> mlubiank 11 May 2015 19:31

"What about the guys in military uniforms with weapons, mortars, mines, grenades, anti-tank weapons..."

What about them? They're defending themselves - the self-defence activists - after the Kiev regime sent tanks and aircraft to attack the protesters in what they called an Anti-Terror Operation as this example shows (see all four videos)..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27035196


Dannycraig007 -> mlubiank 11 May 2015 19:30

Your question answers itself, in that the Kiev Regime have been tracking down people who post videos on the internet and in social media that criticize the regime, hence the lack of video out of Slavyansk now.

Watch this Ukrainian parliamentarian call for the genocide of Ukrainians of ethnic Russian origin. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNQ2CVz2Cyk

Of course, there's also this tidbit from last summer.

http://slavyangrad.org/2014/08/14/residents-of-slavyansk-have-disappeared-the-town-is-being-re-populated-with-migrants-from-western-ukraine/

The Residents of Slavyansk have disappeared; the town is being re-populated with migrants from Western Ukraine.
POSTED BY S. NAYLOR ⋅ AUGUST 14, 2014 ⋅ 27 COMMENTS
In Slavyansk, occupied by Ukrainian troops, the local residents have practically disappeared. The town is being inundated with migrants speaking in a foreign dialect, who take over the housing of those who left to escape the Ukrainian bombing campaign.

This is reported by one of very few residents of Slavyansk who, trusting Ukrainian official propaganda, made the decision to return to his native city. The picture that he saw is terrifying. He realized that the information about residents of Slavyansk returning home is nothing but a vile lie.

"Please, heed our plea! The people have disappeared from Slavyansk!

"I am a native of Slavyansk, residing here already for twenty-seven years. Or better to say 'I was residing', having left the town three months ago, when it was becoming dangerous to stay. During this time I found refuge with relatives in Odessa. I made a decision to return when all the Ukrainian media started saying that everything in Slavyansk was back to normal, that over sixty percent of residents have come back.

"In the three months of my absence my apartment remained untouched by shells from the junta's bombardment or by its marauding thugs. I had already started to unpack when I heard the sound of my neighbour's doors opening across the hallway. I thought it must have been my neighbour, Sergey Ivanovich, but then I saw a young man unknown to me. To my question about his identity he replied that he was Sergey Ivanovich's son.


geedeesee -> mlubiank 11 May 2015 19:27

Here's an example:

Slaviansk: 10 self-defense activists and some 30 unarmed civilians killed

http://rt.com/news/156584-right-sector-deaths-ukraine/

Notice in the video some places look pretty deserted.


nnedjo -> mlubiank 11 May 2015 19:25

... in Slavyansk since it was liberated by Ukrainian forces...
You mean, liberated like Odessa:
Occupation of Russian Hero-City Odessa 2014-2015 | Eng Subs
,or liberated like Kharkiv
Kharkiv Welcomes May: Army Patrols, BTRs, Machine guns, etc

And, speaking of Slavyansk , it is also interesting. In "liberated" Slavyansk it seems that nobody believes "liberators".

Slavyansk residents trust Putin and not Poroshenko - Ukraine Hromadske TV March 2015


Bosula -> mlubiank 11 May 2015 19:10

Can you tell us how many people have been killed in Slayvansk?

Dannycraig007 -> mlubiank 11 May 2015 19:06

Here's another video for you that proves the Kiev regime are Nazis as it shows them marching through Kiev in uniform holding the Waffen SS Wolfsangel flag and was filmed by Poroshenkos very own Chanel 5 TV outlet.

The rest of the hour and a half long video is a bloodbath showing them killing hundreds of innocent civilians. Get back to me after you've cleaned your conscience.

Ukraine Crisis: Death and destruction continues in Eastern Ukraine / [ENG SUB]
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b10_1417842060#e1hSYTkJlw3TQgXs.99


mlubiank -> ID5868758 11 May 2015 19:06

Is Reuters good enough for you or is that all lies?
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/10/us-ukraine-crisis-soldiers-specialreport-idUSKBN0NV06Q20150510


Dannycraig007 11 May 2015 18:57

Investors, such as Franklin Templeton and George Soros' Foundation, who planned to make blood money and placed their bets off of the inside information right before the coup back in November 2013, have a combined $7 billion at stake in Ukraine.

The IMF is trying to convince them to take a haircut on the massive amount and get put on the back burner for the time being, but Russia put it's $3 billion loan in strict terms back in 2012 and has payback priority.

Those human flesh eating Western sharks want their money. This makes those 1%ers and their IMF vassals very upset as they didn't actually expect to lose money......they thought they were gonna double their billions with the rape of Ukraine. Now it's hard earned.


Standupwoman ID5868758 11 May 2015 18:41

I completely understand that. It's a very sensitive subject, and must be far more so for those with personal experience.

Part of the problem is the difference between what we knew then and what we know now. At the time, as you say, we all thought My-Lai was a 'one-off' by a few bad apples, but now so much material has been declassified a very different picture has emerged.

BUT there's still a world of difference between 'a lot' and 'all', and we must never allow those war crimes to taint the reputation of the good soldiers, or to belittle what they endured. It is indeed wrong to apply excessively broad brush-strokes, and I want to apologize to you personally, because I think in my post I was guilty of doing just that.


SoloLoMejor -> geedeesee 11 May 2015 18:40

Yep all good points and there's definitely some push back from Merkel and Hollande. I just don't think the US can relinquish control of our military or monetary systems as would happen if Europe developed independently and naturally became close to European Russia. This is a superpower making sure that it stays a superpower. That said, this is Europe & Russia, not the under developed middle East so they may not get it all their own way but 6000 lives so far is tolerable collateral damage for them


Beckow -> Alderbaran 11 May 2015 18:37

There are 1,000 American, British, Polish and Canadian troops in Ukraine. Officially. Plus endless civilian advisors, agents, private security companies, etc...

Maybe Russians have more people there, but it is after all on their border.

"given control of Ukraine's border back to Ukraine, in contravention of the Minsk II agreement"

No. The Minsk II specifically says that the border will be returned to Kiev control AFTER the Donbass area gets autonomy. Where is the "autonomy"? You can't cherry-pick from an agreement.

If Nato steps over the line in Ukraine, as they are about to do, the nuclear option will be on the table. It is absolutely horrible, but that's where we are heading. Try to get your head out of your behind to understand what is going on there - it is playing with a huge fire on the border of a nuclear power that said they will not allow Nato missiles 400 km from Moscow. You want to test them?


nnedjo -> Tattyana 11 May 2015 18:32

I believe there is no need in any meetings for any further escalation as well.
That's right, Tattyana, that's exactly what I said. My only criticism was related to Miss Marie Harf, who apparently recited a prepared statement, which aims only to reduce the importance of the visit of John Kerry to Russia.
By the way, a true pleasure for me is to watch the exchange of opinions between US spokeswoman Marie Harf and her favorite "reporter", Matt Lee, at the State Department press conferences.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Marie+Harf+Matt+Lee

Standupwoman -> geedeesee 11 May 2015 18:23

Yes, that all makes good sense - but I still think personal integrity can have an (admittedly tiny) role to play. Carter is a case in point.

I'm even (don't laugh!) inclined to extend that to Obama. Yes, he's technically responsible for this mess, and he must have supported Nuland and Pyatt in the original coup, but I still think things would be very much worse if either Biden or HRC had been at the helm.

Obama (like Putin) has hawks screaming at him for being weak, but the fact he's holding out suggests there's a little shred of integrity still there.

It's not much, but it's all we've got. Sometimes it feels as if the whole world is screaming for war, and in the centre is this little patch of stillness where two men are holding firm against the madness. If anything happens to either Barack Obama or Vladimir Putin then I think we really are sunk.

geedeesee -> SoloLoMejor 11 May 2015 18:22

Yes, there clearly is a strategic plan being played out, though I don't think it has gone to plan for the Americans. The release of the Nuland/Hyatt phone call obviously came from Russian intelligence, which was an embarrassment for US. I suspect this is all a prelude to the coming clash for stakes in Arctic oil. There are a number of competing nations but US probably wants to minimise Russian access.

However, there is a lot of strain within the EU at the moment, and we know the views of EU leaders were disregarded by Nuland last year ("Fvck the EU").

It's possible the whole thing has gone far enough for EU leaders (see link below to comments identifying reasons) and they're pushing back on US behind the scenes to cool it down now.

See the original post by Beckow and replies. Link direct to individual comment number:

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/may/11/john-kerry-meet-russian-foreign-minister-talks--ukraine-syria-yemen#comment-51974992


nnedjo 11 May 2015 18:04

Although the 300 US trainers are operating in the west of the country, well away from the conflict zone, Russia has questioned their purpose.

So I do not see how it could be otherwise. Had the US sent their "trainers" in the conflict zone in the east of Ukraine, it is possible that in that case Russia would not complain at all.

In that case, Russia would also send their "trainers" who would soon be found "in the west of the country [Ukraine], well away from the conflict zone".:-)))


normankirk -> MaoChengJi 11 May 2015 18:04

and the German gold still locked up in US vaults


Popeyes 11 May 2015 17:53

Once again on Saturday Putin completely outclassed the West, and the decision by Western leaders to stay away in the end showed their total irrelevance.

Closer ties between China and Russia is Washington's worst nightmare, and a very different new World Order is emerging from the rubble of the post-Cold War period. Today Russia proposed that Greece become the 6th member of a new Development Bank set up by the BRINCS, and with some European leaders desperate to end sanctions things are not going as planned for the empire.


Dannycraig007 -> Bradtweeters 11 May 2015 17:52

Oh, I'm an 'authentic' Guardian reader alright. i'm on my 20th account after being constantly banned this past year for posting the truth about Ukraine. And when they bane me again I'll be right back. True Brits don't give up so easily.


ID5868758 -> Dannycraig007 11 May 2015 17:51

Well, it's printed in English only, given away free in places like the Metro and coffee houses, so it's not like it's the Russian equivalent of the New York Times, to begin with. My son says it's read mostly by ex-pats in Russia, tourists, that kind of audience, it's certainly not anything that Russians read on a regular basis.

ID5868758 -> salthouse 11 May 2015 17:45

Good grief, what fiction. Vladimir Putin's only problem is that he is not Boris Yeltsin, opening the door to the international banks and the multinational corporations to continue their rape of the assets and resources of the Russian people. He is slowly but surely returning Russia to Russians. Contrast that to Ukraine, going in the opposite direction, with the privatization of the assets and resources of the people just beginning, and the predators like Monsanto, Cargill, Chevron, banging at the gate.

normankirk -> salthouse 11 May 2015 17:44

Oh I know! its his nature! He can't help it! And vindictively, at home, he's raised the standard of living and life expectancy! the bastard, only a lunatic would do so.And when he walks among the people he's forcing them ... at gunpoint!.... to put on forced smiles you can tell by looking. he.s a maniac! getting Assad to give up his chemical stores! crazy!


Kaiama -> BMWAlbert 11 May 2015 17:43

There was some indication that the ships could not be sold without the explicit permission of the Russians - probably because they provided the middle part of the hull and if they were feeling bad have the right to ask for it to be cut out and given back to them.


nnedjo 11 May 2015 17:42

"This trip is part of our ongoing effort to maintain direct lines of communication with senior Russian officials and to ensure US views are clearly conveyed," state department spokeswoman Marie Harf said in a written statement.

I do not see what it was unclear so far in the views of the State Department at the Ukrainian crisis. I mean, if John Kerry is going to Sochi to repeat the usual accusations against Russia, which US officials have said so far, then there's really no need for him to go to Russia only because of this, nor Putin is interested to hear it one more time.
Thus, rather it will be some other reason behind this visit, about which we can now only guess. And none of us is so naive to believe that the Ukrainian crisis can be resolved without direct negotiations between the United States and Russia. So, either to make a deal, or to enter a further escalation of the military conflict.
I am inclined to believe that the latter, less predictable solution, is not in anyone's interest.


Kaiama -> Metronome151 11 May 2015 17:41

Maybe, but if the US did cut Russia off of SWIFT for instance, the Russians have already said that they would regard it as a declaration of "war". The US might start it but the Russians will definitely finish it.


MichaPalkin -> salthouse 11 May 2015 17:40

It finally happened: A REAL nutjob.

Now why don't you put your money where you mouth is, you pos and go join the fight against Putin yourself um?.. See? Told ya.


geedeesee -> Standupwoman 11 May 2015 17:31

On the glimmer of hope, I think you maybe right, though its early days. History books on 20th century show that when there's been a stand-off for sometime an intermediary, or unofficial envoy, is often sent to explore the basis for talks. And the history books also show confidence-building measures are used, such as making an announcement via the media acknowledging part of the grievance of the other side which can use for domestic purposes.

This happened with the IRA talks, for example, both in 1970s and 1990s. Last week Jimmy Carter visited Putin in Moscow, not on its own remarkable, but what suggested this wasn't an initiative of his own volition was the interview he gave to Voice of America (official US Gov. channel) immediately after the meeting in Moscow - indicating they'd travelled with him.

The narrative is for the press and the accompanying 45 second video of Carter saying all the right things for the Russians can be used by Russian TV/media in news reports.

Narrative:
http://www.voanews.com/content/carter-pleased-with-russia-embrace-of-minsk-agreement/2743389.html

45 second Carter video:
http://www.voanews.com/media/video/2743506.html

You'll be disappointed if you look for integrity with the players at this level, because it doesn't exist. They have their plans and self-interests; integrity doesn't come into it.


Dannycraig007 -> dmitryfrommoscow 11 May 2015 17:30

The Moscow Times is actually operated out of Scandinavia and their readership has been dropping due to the obvious anti-Russian propaganda.


ID5868758 -> Standupwoman 11 May 2015 17:27

Well, My-Lai was, of course, just a horrific example of evil behavior on the part of a few of our troops, but Kerry came home and, without personal knowledge, painted the entire military with the same broad brush, made up stories, and just so disgraced himself with this nation that he would never have won a Senate seat if he had not run in Massachusetts.

I still to this day cannot listen to him speak for more than a few minutes at a time, his betrayal of the men who were fighting and dying in the hellhole that was Vietnam will stay with me forever.


dmitryfrommoscow -> Havingalavrov 11 May 2015 17:26

The Moscow Times is one of those pro-Washington mouthpieces which, according to the claims by Putin's critics, have been ruthlessly wiped out of the scene.


SoloLoMejor 11 May 2015 17:15

I saw the Merkel Putin press conference in full. Merkel fully acknowledged and apologised for the horrors inflicted on the Soviet Union by Nazi Germany, and quite rightly.

When asked specifically about what she still blamed Russia for with respect to Minsk she became a lot less clear and rambling and very non specific. I couldn't make out what her beef was although I really wanted to know.

She's going to need some very clear reasons to reinstate EU sanctions on Russia and the phrase Shaun Walker regurgitates in virtually every piece he writes, "mounting evidence" of Russian involvement (but without producing any) won't be enough this time round.


MichaPalkin -> alpamysh 11 May 2015 17:15

l though I find your comments stupid, and what is absolutely amazing is that guests such as you have had zero effect on anything.

Some fascist parties did once praise you and still do, ahem, "purely for the funding you was willing to give". Some grammar problems here eh.

But this has had no effect on nothing, or the policy of the EU in general.

One does not even see you loonies demonstrating in the street, shouting "hail" to Poro & Co."

Poro's only real "western" base of support comes from RFE and probably Guardian. Even Americans begin having their reservations now.

Period

Indeed, we may well have all your clownish incompetence to thank for your highly unsuccessful trolling.

OK, klopets?


John Smith -> Alderbaran 11 May 2015 17:06

You can forget about Crimea.

Nothing will come out from this talks because the US will not let off their 'great prize'
as the NED head called it. Unfortunately for Ukrainians.

ID5868758 -> Standupwoman 11 May 2015 16:31

Standupwoman, I rarely disagree with you, but as an American who lived through Vietnam as the wife of a Marine Corps officer, and the sister of a brother in country as a cryptologist, may I just tell you that John Kerry's actions in front of Congress were not seen by most as heroic at all, not borne of courage and integrity, especially since he had spent only a very short time in country, and had awarded himself 2 or 3 purple hearts, but strangely enough, has no scars of those wounds remaining today. He lied, it was a performance that caused much of America to shun him even today, and that's the truth.

Igor1980 -> GoodOldBoy1967 11 May 2015 16:29

I am in Sochi now, a navy ship is patrolling the area of the Residence and many police cars can be seen. It is not surprising . I was surprised by the number of cars with Ukrainian license plates. The hosts say that many Ukrainian citizens moved to the area on the coast with their money.


Standupwoman -> cabaret1993 11 May 2015 16:22

I agree. If this were HRC rather than Kerry I'd think we were doomed. Do you remember her hilariously rabble-rousing claim that Putin had no soul - 'He's KGB, it's a given!' - and Putin's dry response? That woman ought never to have been allowed within a hundred miles of foreign affairs, and if she ever becomes President then it'll be time to start stocking up on the potassium iodide...


Igor1980 -> Beckow 11 May 2015 16:12

Great and sober analysis. The reality is harsh for both parties and very painful for the USA: the people in the West are not ready to die for the cause of the American dominance.

It is easy to hate Putin, it is difficult to sacrifice your lives in a war to punish Russia for a little border change in the most unpleasant part of Eastern Europe.


MaoChengJi -> DogsLivesMatter 11 May 2015 16:11

state department spokeswoman Marie Harf said in a written statement

That's just standard bs. What do you expect them to say.


Standupwoman 11 May 2015 16:06

Maybe I'm having a Pollyanna moment, but I wonder if there isn't just the littlest, tiniest glimmer of hope in this. The fact the US is prepared to talk to Russia on its own ground is definitely a step in the right direction, and the fact it's John Kerry is even better.

Because Kerry was once an honest man. Back in 1971 he testified to Congress about American war crimes in Vietnam, and showed the kind of courage and integrity it's almost impossible to mention in the same sentence as 'politician'. He talked openly about the everyday reality of rapes, torture, desecration of the dead, and killing civilians for fun – the American toolbox we're all familiar with in Afghanistan and Iraq, but which in 1971 was genuinely shocking news. Nationalists hated him, but I think he showed genuine American patriotism when he explained: 'We feel that because of what threatens this country, the fact that the crimes threaten it - not the Reds, not redcoats, but the crimes which we're committing are what threaten it – and we have to speak out.'

OK, he's a politician now, and his words have frequently been used against him to show the hypocrisy of his support for America's current wars, but deep down he's still in some way the same man he was then. He and Lavrov certainly used to have a good relationship until he made that unbelievably stupid remark about Russians 'lying to his face'.

That kind of populist rudeness plays well with the 'Murica, F*ck yeah!' mob, but grown-up countries tend to choose a calmer, more courteous approach when it comes to negotiations which could lead to the threat of nuclear war. Kerry will need to apologize for that (even if only in private) if he hopes to get in the same room as President Putin.

But maybe he will. Maybe he'll even confound the words of that Psaki-Manqué Harf and actually listen as well as talk. If he does, and if there's any integrity left in him, then maybe, just maybe, there'll really be a chance of peace.


PlatonKuzin -> oleteo 11 May 2015 16:03

The Ukies think that the US and EU do them gifts for granted. And they were very suprised as they knew that, for example, in Poland, an organization named "Restitution of Kresy" was established that in the nearest future will expropriate, from Ukraine, the property belonging to the Poles.

And more than 100,000 such Poles are now ready to start proceedings to return their property from there.


Dannycraig007 -> PlatonKuzin 11 May 2015 15:57

Agreed on the 50,000. I am just citing the US/MSM 'official' number. I have been keeping up with the real numbers also. Petri Krohn has done a great job establishing a proper count of the dead form various events and battles. The majority of those 50,000 dead are Ukrainian conscripts and Kievs Baghdad Bob intentionally played the numbers way down in order to not have to pay dead soldiers families and hide the truth of the war, which the US and EU media simply parroted with no investigation whatsoever. Here's a link to the numbers:

http://acloserlookonsyria.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Ukraine_war_casualties

His site is an amazing geo-political resource. Lots of really interesting MH-17 material there too. http://acloserlookonsyria.shoutwiki.com/wiki/Special:AllPages


greatwhitehunter -> MentalToo 11 May 2015 15:55

The US could have prevented all this by keeping there nose out of Ukraine . In the words of Obama we brokered the change of government in Ukraine.

Now their are 6000 plus people dead . east of Ukraine destroyed, Crimea gone never to return.

Only the US could imagine you could get away with this.\


Beckow -> Alderbaran 11 May 2015 15:54

Hmmm...don't fool yourself, he meant the Maidan crowd in Kiev. The problem Kiev government has is that as economy gets worse, the large cities like Kharkov, Odessa, etc... will become ungovernable. Except through brute force.

How do you "join EU" if you have to be suppressing large portion of your population? I am sure EU would love to look the other way, but the cognitive dissonance might get too much, with YouTube, refugees, etc...


Captain_Underpants 11 May 2015 15:52

Kerry will offer to swap Ukraine for Assad's head + no S300 missiles to Iran + sanction relief.

Putin and Lavrov will tell Kerry to stick the offer where the sun don't shine and then it's back to square one.

Obumbler won't be involved, he's too busy on the golf course, watching the NBA playoffs, and making hollow speeches filled with platitudes about race issues and police violence.

Meanwhile back in the increasingly irrelevant Euroweenie land, the NSA-compromised Frau Merckel has a desk and a phone and will do as told by her masters

Dannycraig007 -> DIPSET 11 May 2015 15:47

I'd still like to see what those US spy satellites saw the day MH-17 was shot down. They first said they had proof Russia did it, then they went quiet, then they relied on social media BS, then they said they had a drunk Ukrainian that made a confession that the rebel put on Ukrainain uniforms, then they stayed quiet. All the while they had ships in the Black Sea monitoring that airspace and they had AWACS flying over Europe.

They obviously know what really happened but they have chosen no to show that 'evidence'....there can only be one reason.......because it implicates the Kiev regime...and thereby....themselves.


geedeesee -> MentalToo 11 May 2015 15:42

"...the army of Ukraine is not at war with "protesters"."

Yes they are, they called it an Anti-Terror Operation and not war against an army. The facts are against you. Hard luck. ;-)


Dannycraig007 -> MaoChengJi 11 May 2015 15:40

Many people have no idea that Merkels father was in the Hitler youth. Sad but true fact. Hence, maybe that partly explains her allegiance to Ukraine.

Horst Kasner
Biography http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horst_Kasner
Kasner was born as Horst Kaźmierczak in 1926, the son of a policeman in the Pankow suburb of Berlin, where he was brought up. His father Ludwig Kaźmierczak (born 1896 in Posen, German Empire) - died 1959 in Berlin) was born out of wedlock to Anna Kazmierczak and Ludwik Wojciechowski.[1] Ludwig was mobilised into the German army in 1915 and sent to France, where he was taken prisoner of war and joined the Polish Haller's Army fighting on the side of Entente.[2] Together with the army he returned to Poland to fight in Polish-Ukrainian war and Polish-Soviet war.[3] After Posen had become part of Poland, Ludwig moved with his wife in 1923 to Berlin, where he served as a policeman, and changed his family name to Kasner in 1930.

Little is known about Horst Kasner's wartime service, and he was held as a prisoner of war at the age of 19. During his high school years he was a member of the Hitler Youth, with the last service position of a troop leader.[citation needed] From 1948 he studied theology, first in Heidelberg then in Hamburg. He married Herlind Jentzsch, an English and Latin teacher, born on 8 July 1928 in Danzig (now Gdańsk, Poland) as the daughter of Danzig politician Willi Jentzsch, and their daughter Angela was born in 1954.

PlatonKuzin -> Kaiama 11 May 2015 15:38

There is another side of this medal: Novorussia said that, if Ukraine violates the ceasefire one more time, the Army of Novorussia will make no stops any longer and will free Kiev.


Beckow -> MichaPalkin 11 May 2015 15:35

Threats are simply a part of making deals. When one threatens, there is an implicit understanding of what the alternatives are. It is how countries negotiate.

Look at it from Russia's point of view: they prefer to deal with useless twats. Putin has been smart to keep all his threats, options and deals to himself. He speaks very diplomatically and applies pressure on the ground. There is a Russian saying: "let the punishment tell" - that's what Russia is doing and it drives the likes of Kerry crazy.

Unless US escalates into a nuclear confrontation, Russia has the upper hand in the long run. That was obvious from the beginning. So the question is why did Peace Price Winner do this? Why did he start? Is he and people around him that stupid or that desperate? I hope, it is just stupidity.

"Poro & Co would be applying for the political asylum in the US" - that's going to happen anyway, but I think Canada will take the bulk of them...


Beckow -> Alderbaran 11 May 2015 15:24

Let's be clear: Kerry is flying in with a proposal to review with Lavrov. If Russia accepts, Kerry will meet Putin. If not, we will know that sh..t is about to escalate - on both sides.

Regarding "military involvement": both sides are heavily militarily involved with arms, training, "advisors" of all kinds, intelligence, logistics. And both sides downplay it ("lie", if you prefer). Why is that even an issue? Or "news"?

It is infantile to discuss it. In a war there is always "military involvement". And this is a war, has been for about a year, this is the way wars are fought now (see Syria, Libya, etc...).

And yes, of course Putin can change weather. Anyone with enough nukes can.


BMWAlbert 11 May 2015 15:15

Looks like India's participation in the Moscow parade is also paralleled by the cutting of 80% of the French fighter order (remembering that the govt. in New Delhi stated several months ago that its confidence in France as a supplier would be related to its vulnerability to political pressuring vis a vis the RU ships that will end-up being scrapped or bought by by a third party, and it might be that said party, if also participating in said parade, might sell in turn to RU for a 'cut'). IDK if this is related, big new orders from India for SU's:

https://www.ibcworldnews.com/2015/04/20/why-the-brahmos-armed-sukhoi-is-bad-news-for-indias-enemies/

These cannot be made in Russia, in any event, as Russia is entirely isolated.


Dannycraig007 11 May 2015 15:09

The US has really hurt itself with the WW2 remembrance ceremony snub. Russia won't be soon forgetting what the US has been doing in Ukraine and Europe either. After all the 7,000 people killed by the Kiev regime that came to power through the US backed coup were all ethnic Russian Ukrainian civilians. So many lives could have been saved if only the US would have allowed federalization of the obviously ethnically diverse regions of the country.

For those that missed it, here's link to the amazing WW2 Red Square commemoration concert. It truly was a sight to behold.

Absolutely Stunning! The Entire Russian "Road To Victory" Concert Spectacle -2015 Epic Masterpiece Rivals Olympic Ceremonies
Read more at http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9c1_1431271822#esjFeSXyZqIlzoY8.99


SonnyTuckson 11 May 2015 14:15

Turn Ukraine into a federation. Of a rich pro western part that is member of the EU and a poor pro Russian part that is member of the Eurasian Union.

In ten years time the East Ukrainians will have had enough of their Russian propaganda-ridden life without a decent standard of living. We will then have another Euromaidan, but this time in Donbass.

History always discloses propaganda lies. In the end the people of Donbass will understand they have been used by Russia for its geopolitical games. And chose for a prosperous future in Europe as well.


Beckow -> geedeesee 11 May 2015 14:14

Yes, there are huge problems.

But if US accepts a de facto defeat in Ukraine, they are done in many other places too. My guess is that they will try to weasel out of it by offering a deal to Russia:

- US backs down, Kiev goes back in the box (over time), things quiet down, BUT no victory speeches or remarks by Russia. US has to be able to maintain that they "won".

It is a disease for insecure people. They fear being seen as losers more than anything else. Thus we might still see the fire-works if Russia refuses to oblige.


vr13vr 11 May 2015 14:09

"Unfairly blaming Russia for the crisis in Ukraine, which was actually in the main provoked by the US itself, Obama's administration in 2014 went down the road of ruining bilateral links, announced a policy of 'isolating' our country on the international stage, and demanded support for its confrontational steps from the countries that traditionally follow Washington."

Why does the press want us feel so amazed about this quote? What part of it isn't true?

1. US did and does blame Russia for crisis in Ukraine.
2. US did provoke the crisis.
3. US did go down the road of ruining bilateral links.
4. It did announced a policy of "isolation."
5. And it did demand support for its steps from other countries in Europe.

Putin actually appears to be a straight talker.


vr13vr -> caliento 11 May 2015 14:05

"The first question asked should be... "

Kerry doesn't get to ask questions as if he were running a deposition. He can talk politely and be nice. Outside of the US police TV show and court drama, nobody in the world allows anyone to speak like this, especially in the diplomatic talks with Russia.


vr13vr 11 May 2015 14:03

"Russia believes that the US is meddling in Ukraine..."

No, it's not just Russia believes. It is a fact. And everyone knows it, not just Russia.


geedeesee -> Beckow 11 May 2015 13:46

Add to your list:

EU unity under considerable strain. Divisive issues on it's plate include Greece and Grexit, UK referendum and possible Brexit, UK Human rights exit, unresolved Eurozone crisis, migrant quotas, all made worse by further US spying revelations and German betrayal of EU businesses to the benefit of US companies.

Putin now supporting/funding anti-EU parties in Europe.

MH17 report and voice recorder info, clearly delayed for political reasons, is due this summer.

Obama administration needs cooperation at UNSC on Iran nuclear deal.

Putin supplying arms to Iran is giving Obama more problems from Netanyahu.

If Obama has plans for a last attempt at cracking Israel/palestine then he'll need as much international support as he can muster.

Russia opening spying and military bases in Vietnam, Cuba, Venezuela and Nicaragua.


BunglyPete 11 May 2015 13:46

Russia has engaged in a rather remarkable period of the most overt and extensive propaganda exercise that I've seen since the very height of the cold war,

That suggests that it is equivalent to the RFE/RL campaigns of the Cold War.

The reports they produced in 1984 relating to showing the Ukrainian nationalists in a good light were described by Richard Pipes as "blatant anti-semitic propaganda". Not my words, the words of Richard Pipes.

These same reports are reprinted today in the Guardian and if you disagree you are a "Putin propagandist". Even though Richard Pipes agrees that it is distasteful propaganda.

Other activities involved sending millions of balloons across eastern Europe, campaigns in the US to ask for "Truth Dollars" to fund said balloon campaigns, leaflets pretending to come from a fictional resistance organisation intended to militarise citizens against their governments, and much much more. There are many books and articles on the subject.

Senator Royce said in May 2014, in an instruction to Victoria Nuland at a senate subcommitee hearing, he wants them "producing the stuff they did years ago". Indeed they granted more money than they did during the cold war to BBG campaigns.

In comparison to the rather pathetic RT, the US campaigns are far more serious in scope and effects.


madeiranlotuseater 11 May 2015 13:27

and to ensure US views are clearly conveyed," state department spokeswoman Marie Harf said in a written statement

In other words, do as the USA says or we shall continue to hound you.

"Russia has engaged in a rather remarkable period of the most overt and extensive propaganda exercise that I've seen since the very height of the cold war," Kerry said in February. "And they have been persisting in their misrepresentations, lies, whatever you want to call them, about their activities to my face, to the face of others, on many different occasions."

There speaks the nation that admits to being involved in forcing regime changes all over the world since 1947. To arm twisting and invading Iraq on the basis of a known lie. If Mr Kerry believes he has been lied to he should present his evidence. We can all relax then. But he doesn't. He says to trust him to tell the truth. Why should we. The USA is a massive war machine intent on ruling the world. China and Russia are not interested in being bullied.


Beckow -> deathbydemocracy 11 May 2015 12:53

I see that even indirect criticism of the media coverage is not allowed. Interesting, but somehow understandable.


DIPSET 11 May 2015 12:31

First when they thought they thought they were "winning" they did not want to talk and instead, instructed their media to do the talking for them.

Okay.

Then reality happened hahaha

As a consequence, we now have all sorts of chatter coming out of Washington and the urgent need to talk to Russia. So now it's......

Let's "talk" about East Ukraine
Let's "talk about Iraq
Let's "talk" about Syria
Let's "talk" about Yemen
Let's "talk about Iran
Lets "talk" about Latin America

Funny how seeing China and Russia stand next to each other has sharpened some minds across the Atlantic.

Pity they could not "talk" before Crimea was 'liberated' right in front of the American satellites circling in space lol

;-)

Fascinating times


Ilja NB 11 May 2015 12:28

Which mounting evidence ??? I haven't seen a single one provided ?

**The Russian foreign ministry said: "We continue to underline that we are ready for cooperation with the US on the basis of equality, non-interference in internal affairs, and that Russian interests are taken into account without attempting to exert pressure on us."**

Of-course USA will never agree with it, since USA wants to put it's nose in everyone's affairs.


BMWAlbert -> BunglyPete 11 May 2015 11:55

Mr. Semenchenko is clearly referring to Greater Ukraine here that extends east into the Kuban, including some buffer areas around the mount Elbrus region (intruded upon on this 2008 occasion) to the south, and north to the Middle Don and Upper Donets basins, to include Beograd and steppe lands east of Voronezh.

Beckow -> miceonparade 11 May 2015 11:40

Kerry is going to make a deal. Probably surrender after one more chest-beating threat. If Putin doesn't meet him (also possible), we will have a very hot summer in Ukraine. And maybe elsewhere.

Beckow 11 May 2015 11:34

Kerry is going for a reason, and it is not to restate US views. The reality is:

  • - Ukraine cannot win the war in its east
  • - Ukraine is going bankrupt
  • - EU has just basically said no to Ukraine in EU for foreseeable future (decades?)
  • - EU denied visa-free access for Ukrainians
  • - the whole f...ing adventure in Kiev is getting really, really expensive
  • - time is on Russia's side, they can sit and watch Kiev collapse or West spending billions to prop it up
  • - EU cannot currently survive without Russia's gas. Russia has deals with China and Turkey, in 3 years EU will be screwed or pay a lot, lot more

These realities on the ground drive US crazy. They don't like to deal with reality, it is too hard. They prefer the fantasy play world where US is god-like, others are scared and geography, resources and other realities are wished away. Infantile. Stupid. Self-defeating. Russia is actually doing US a favor by bringing them back to the real word.

I feel sorry for the Ukrainians; they will suffer for years enormously. They rebelled against a miserable life, were used by a few hustlers from Washington, Berlin and a few Polish ultra-nationalists, now they will pay for it all. Those are the wages of naivete...

emb27516 miceonparade 11 May 2015 11:32

Yes, especially if they wrestle.

BunglyPete 11 May 2015 11:32

"Mr Putin, look at these images provided to our Senator Inhofe, from Mr Semenchenko of Ukraine's official government designation to Washington.

As you can see, these images from Georgia in 2008 clearly show you invaded Ukraine last year. We feel these images prove the invasion so strongly, Senator Inhofe wrote a bill authorising arms to Ukraine, and we passed this quite easily.

What, Mr Putin, will you do about this? If you continue to send tanks to Georgia in 2008 then we will assume you have no interest in fulfilling the terms of Minsk accord and will enact necessary measures to ensure the stability of Ukraine."

alsojusticeseeker Jeremn 11 May 2015 11:27

"He may be a son of a b..., but he is our son of a b...". Just another typical example of US hypocrisy.

BMWAlbert 11 May 2015 11:25

If only his brain were as big as his hair (obviously, not the bald one).

warehouse_guy 11 May 2015 11:25

"Western leaders mainly boycotted the parade in protest at Russia's actions in Ukraine."

Aka people's will in Crimea, and Russian people's will to help Donbass, they are not exactly hiding it there are donation kiosks all over the country almost in every major city. Not on government level though. There are no on duty Russian troops in Ukraine.

RudolphS 11 May 2015 11:24

So, Barry is too chickenshit to go to Russia himself?

Jeremn 11 May 2015 11:19

Americans should be asking why their government is supporting a Ukrainian governmnet which honours veterans of an insurgency which massacred Poles, Jews and Russians across Ukraine in 1943 and 1944.

Here they are, members of the UPA-OUN. Rehabilitated by Poroshenko's governmnet. It was an organisation which formed the Nachtigall Battalion, in German service, and tasked with clearing the Lvov ghetto, and which took men from SS auxiliaries (Schutzmannschaft Battalion 201), which cleared Belarus of partisans and Jews.

Most notoriously, the UPA ran a campaign of ethnic cleansing against Poles in Ukraine, killing some 100,000 of them (mostly women and children).

So there are the veterans, in Ukraine's parliament. Here's a history of one of their massacres.

America, you should know.

Steve Ennever 11 May 2015 11:15

"The US has placed several rounds of sanctions on Russia over its actions in Ukraine"

It has indeed. And badgered Europe into sanctioning Russia further. All of which has affected the US little but has been an immense pain economically for it's "allies."
Strangely though, in 2014, business between the US & Russia actually increased by 7%.

Honestly, you get taken for a ride as recently as Iraq & Libya & you still don't learn a thing.

StatusFoe11 May 2015 11:08

"This trip is part of our ongoing effort to maintain direct lines of communication with senior Russian officials and to ensure US views are clearly conveyed,"

i.e. "If you don't do what we say and submit to our will there'll be more costs."

warehouse_guy 11 May 2015 11:00

"While Washington has pointed to mounting evidence of Russian military involvement in the east of the country."

Yet unable to provide any concrete evidence for over a year...

[May 12, 2015] Merkel-Ferkel yesterday in the Kremlin

Quote: Thanks for the hour of duelling histories. Made me realise what a great agitprop resource history is for those who would like to "shape" current narratives.
You have the white-hat / bad-hat lust for an – ideally, ego-stroking – answer multiplied by the my-eyes-glaze-over factor. Result: maximum impact.
Best, this can all be deployed while seeming judicious and balanced to those not checking "facts-not-mentioned."
Moscow Exile , May 11, 2015 at 3:02 am

Merkel-Ferkel yesterday in the Kremlin:

I have arrived in Moscow today during a difficult situation for German-Russian relations. It was important for me, together with President Putin, on the occasion of the 70th anniversary of the end of world war II to honour those who died. I have laid a wreath at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier and thus I want to say to the Russian people, that I, as German Chancellor, kneel in front of the millions of victims of a war that was unleashed by Nazi Germany. We shall be constantly aware of the fact that the share of the peoples of the former Soviet Union and Red Army soldiers accounted for the majority of casualties in that war. I remind you that the war in the East was carried out as a brutal race war and a war of extermination, and that it brought untold suffering to millions of people.

The occasion of the 70th anniversary of the end WWII is on August 15, 2015.

The occasion of the 70th anniversary of the end of the German-Soviet War was on the day before her arrival in Moscow.

She could not be in Moscow on 9 May because she had been told not to attend the celebrations.

Putin should have said to his "partner": Fick dich, Arschloch!
:-(

Tim Owen says:

May 11, 2015 at 3:49 am

Stalin offered in 1939 to send 1 mln troops to stop Hitler if Britain, France agreed to anti-Nazi pact; they refused http://t.co/46cwbt0x7y

- exiledonline.com (@exiledonline) May 10, 2015

"Papers which were kept secret for almost 70 years show that the Soviet Union proposed sending a powerful military force in an effort to entice Britain and France into an anti-Nazi alliance.

Such an agreement could have changed the course of 20th century history, preventing Hitler's pact with Stalin which gave him free rein to go to war with Germany's other neighbours."

Pavlo Svolochenko, May 11, 2015 at 4:01 am

A forlorn hope, since the Ango-French idea of an alliance was that the USSR would do the fighting while the western allies made sympathetic noises and gathered up the spoils afterward.

Tim Owen, May 11, 2015 at 5:16 am

Get a load of this: The Body Language of a Liar http://t.co/mtHCnFCNu3

- Joel Harding (@Joel_Harding) May 11, 2015

Erika, May 11, 2015 at 6:47 am

What countries signed treaties with Hitler but they only tell you about the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact? #Victory70 … Héctor A. on Twitter What countries signed treaties with Hitler but they only tell you about the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact

- Héctor A. (@GrinchEtor) May 6, 2015

marknesop, May 11, 2015 at 9:59 am

That's a pretty good rundown. A handy list to keep for reference.

Tim Owen, May 11, 2015 at 9:55 pm

"Sympathetic noises" is a great phrase. An emotional gesture without any underlying meaning or commitment. It therefore also has a charge of implied violence to it.

I admire your cynicism.

Warren, May 11, 2015 at 5:20 am

Listen to Michael Parenti's lecture on the real causes of WW2:

http://noliesradio.org/archives/32286

Warren, May 11, 2015 at 7:56 am

If you want the official Western version on the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact listen to this:

As Putin defends the Nazi-Soviet pact, here's our podcast interview on "The Devils' Alliance" http://t.co/EesRFkuQQr Matt Lewis on Twitter As Putin defends the Nazi-Soviet pact, here's our podcast interview on The Devils' Alliance http--t. (pic.twitter.com/Q32RMOfl4I)

- Matt Lewis (@mattklewis) May 11, 2015

cartman , May 11, 2015 at 9:28 am

I see the UK is on the list above, making a "Devils' Alliance"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_potato_(game)

Moscow Exile, May 11, 2015 at 9:49 am

The UK made that Naval Treaty with Nazi Germany behind of France's back. The Frogs were none too pleased at the time.

Max, May 11, 2015 at 3:41 pm

prima facia nonsense because Stalingrad.

Tim Owen, May 11, 2015 at 9:46 pm

Thanks for the hour of duelling histories. Made me realise what a great agitprop resource history is for those who would like to "shape" current narratives.

You have the white-hat / bad-hat lust for an – ideally, ego-stroking – answer multiplied by the my-eyes-glaze-over factor. Result: maximum impact.

Best, this can all be deployed while seeming judicious and balanced to those not checking "facts-not-mentioned."

Warren, May 11, 2015 at 7:49 am

Neocon Writer Anne Applebaum Covers up the Role West Played in Looting Russia http://t.co/6ekZbQFkdm #ColdWar pic.twitter.com/V4akXBUeIE

- Russia Insider (@RussiaInsider) May 11, 2015

astabada, May 11, 2015 at 8:46 pm

Has an American or British political dissident, opposed to the policies of his own government, ever won a Nobel Prize?

I don't know whether you can consider Pintor a political dissident. However he certainly did not approve the policies of his own government, as clearly stated in his beautiful Nobel Prize lecture.

The trick there was the usual one, namely not to silence dissent but to drown it in noise.

marknesop , May 11, 2015 at 9:46 pm

Great find; I had never heard of Harold Pinter – shows what an uncultured Philistine I am. The lecture is indeed a thing of beauty, and one paragraph of it may be perfect for my next post, which is in the works. Thanks!!

[May 12, 2015] GOP antics may lead to a 'de-Americanized world'

10/15/13 | MSNBC

When there's a global economic crisis, investors from around the world have spent the last several generations doing one thing: they buy U.S. treasuries. The reasoning, of course, is that there is no safer investment, anywhere on the planet, than the United States of America – which has the strongest and largest economy on the planet, and which always pays its bills.

All of these assumptions, of course, were cultivated over generations, and pre-date the radicalization of the Republican Party.

But what happens when U.S. treasuries are no longer considered safe, Americans can no longer be counted on to pay its bills, and the nation's most powerful economy chooses to default on purpose? The world starts reevaluating old assumptions, that's what.

In Britain, Jon Cunliffe, who will become deputy governor of the Bank of England next month, told members of Parliament that banks should be developing contingency plans to deal with an American default if one happens.

And Chinese leaders called on a "befuddled world to start considering building a de-Americanized world." In a commentary on Sunday, the state-run Chinese news agency Xinhua blamed "cyclical stagnation in Washington" for leaving the dollar-based assets of many nations in jeopardy. It said the "international community is highly agonized."

I know I've been pushing this thesis in recent weeks, but it's important to remember the unique role the United States plays in global leadership and the extent to which Republican antics in Congress will change the dynamic that's been stable for the better part of the last century.

No major western power has defaulted since Hitler's Germany, so this week may add some history to the potentially catastrophic economic consequences, and the world is watching closely.

Indeed, try to imagine explaining this ongoing crisis to a foreign observer who doesn't fully appreciate the nuances of domestic politics. "Yes, we have the largest economy on the planet. Yes, we want to maintain global credibility. Yes, the process of extending our borrowing authority is incredibly easy and could be completed in about 10 minutes. No, some members of our legislative branch have decided they no longer want the United States to honor its obligations and pay for the things they've already bought."

I suspect global observers would find this truly inexplicable. As it happens, I'd agree with them.

Ezra Klein added yesterday that to the rest of the world, "the United States looks insane right now."

They're dealing with real problems that their political systems are struggling to solve. The United States' political system is creating fake problems that it may choose to leave unsolved.

"The United States was the one bright spot in the world recovery," says OECD Secretary General Angel Gurria. "It was leading the recovery! Leading the creation of jobs! This unfortunate situation with the budget and debt happens at the moment it was looking good." […]

At best, the United States is slowing its recovery – and that of the rest of the world. At worst, it's going to trigger another global crisis. That's why, Gurria says, his concern isn't that the United States' economy is weak, but that its political system is.

It's heartbreaking that so much of the world is now laughing at us, not because we have crises we can't solve, but because members of one party – the one that lost the most recent national elections – insist on manufacturing new crises to advance their unpopular agenda.

To reiterate what we discussed last week, there's a global competition underway for power and influence in the 21st century. Americans have rivals who are playing for keeps. We can either be at the top of our game or we can watch others catch up.

And it's against this backdrop that House Speaker John Boehner and his Republican colleagues shut down the government, threaten default, fight tooth and nail to strip Americans of their health care benefits, and keep spending levels so low we're kicking children out of Head Start centers while our global competitors invest heavily in education.

It's as if some have a vision in which we no longer lead and we aim for second place on purpose.

Great nations can't function the way we're struggling to function now. The United States can either be a 21st-century superpower or it can tolerate Republicans abandoning the governing process and subjecting Americans to a series of self-imposed extortion crises.

It cannot do both.

China is talking about "a de-Americanized world." It's time for Republicans to decide whether they intend to help them.

[May 11, 2015] The Choice Before Europe

May 05, 2015 | Information Clearing House

Washington continues to drive Europe toward one or the other of the two most likely outcomes of the orchestrated conflict with Russia. Either Europe or some European Union member government will break from Washington over the issue of Russian sanctions, thereby forcing the EU off of the path of conflict with Russia, or Europe will be pushed into military conflict with Russia.

In June the Russian sanctions expire unless each member government of the EU votes to continue the sanctions. Several governments have spoken against a continuation. For example, the governments of the Czech Republic and Greece have expressed dissatisfaction with the sanctions.

US Secretary of State John Kerry acknowledged growing opposition to the sanctions among some European governments. Employing the three tools of US foreign policy–threats, bribery, and coercion–he warned Europe to renew the sanctions or there would be retribution. We will see in June if Washington's threat has quelled the rebellion.

Europe has to consider the strength of Washington's threat of retribution against the cost of a continuing and worsening conflict with Russia. This conflict is not in Europe's economic or political interest, and the conflict has the risk of breaking out into war that would destroy Europe.

Since the end of World War II Europeans have been accustomed to following Washington's lead. For awhile France went her own way, and there were some political parties in Germany and Italy that considered Washington to be as much of a threat to European independence as the Soviet Union. Over time, using money and false flag operations, such as Operation Gladio, Washington marginalized politicians and political parties that did not follow Washington's lead.

The specter of a military conflict with Russia that Washington is creating could erode Washington's hold over Europe. By hyping a "Russian threat," Washington is hoping to keep Europe under Washington's protective wing. However, the "threat" is being over-hyped to the point that some Europeans have understood that Europe is being driven down a path toward war.

Belligerent talk from the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, from John McCain, from the neoconservatives, and from NATO commander Philip Breedlove is unnerving Europeans. In a recent love-fest between Breedlove and the Senate Armed Services Committee, chaired by John McCain, Breedlove supported arming the Ukrainian military, the backbone of which appears to be the Nazi militias, with heavy US weapons in order to change "the decision calculus on the ground" and bring an end to the break-away republics that oppose Washington's puppet government in Kiev.

Breedlove told the Senate committee that his forces were insufficient to withstand Russian aggression and that he needed more forces on Russia's borders in order to "reassure allies."

Europeans have to decide whether the threat is Russia or Washington. The European press, which Udo Ulfkotte reports in his book, Bought Journalists, consists of CIA assets, has been working hard to convince Europeans that there is a "revanchist Russia" on the prowl that seeks to recover the Soviet Empire. Washington's coup in Ukraine has disappeared. In its place Washington has substituted a "Russian invasion," hyped as Putin's first step in restoring the Soviet empire.

Just as there is no evidence of the Russian military in Ukraine, there is no evidence of Russian forces threatening Europe or any discussion or advocacy of restoring the Soviet empire among Russian political and military leaders.

In contrast Washington has the Wolfowitz Doctrine, which is explicitly directed at Russia, and now the Council on Foreign Relations has added China as a target of the Wolfowitz doctrine. http://carnegieendowment.org/files/Tellis_Blackwill.pdf

The CFR report says that China is a rising power and thereby a threat to US world hegemony. China's rise must be contained so that Washington can remain the boss in the Asian Pacific. What it comes down to is this: China is a threat because China will not prevent its own rise. This makes China a threat to "the International Order." "The International Order," of course, is the order determined by Washington. In other words, just as there must be no Russian sphere of influence, there must be no Chinese sphere of influence. The CFR report calls this keeping the world "free of hegemonic control" except by the US.

Just as General Breedlove demands more military spending in order to counter "the Russian threat," the CFR wants more military spending in order to counter "the Chinese threat." The report concludes: "Congress should remove sequestration caps and substantially increase the U.S. defense budget."

Clearly, Washington has no intention of moderating its position as the sole imperial power. In defense of this power, Washington will take the world to nuclear war. Europe can prevent this war by asserting its independence and departing the empire.

Dr. Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy and associate editor of the Wall Street Journal. He was columnist for Business Week, Scripps Howard News Service, and Creators Syndicate. He has had many university appointments. His internet columns have attracted a worldwide following. Roberts' latest books are The Failure of Laissez Faire Capitalism and Economic Dissolution of the West and How America Was Lost.

[May 11, 2015]Anglo-American Bankers Organized World War II

May 11, 2015 | Voltaire Network

To mark the 70th anniversary of the Victory against Nazism, we publish a study of Valentin Katasonov on financing of the NSDAP and the rearmament of the Third Reich. The author deals with new documents that confirm the organization of the Second World War by US and UK Bankers, covered by President Franklin Roosevelt and Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain, in the hope of destroying the USSR. This study raises new questions that will be addressed in a future article.

The war was not unleashed by frenzied Fuhrer who happened to be ruling Germany at the time. WWII is a project created by world oligarchy or Anglo-American "money owners". Using such instruments as the US Federal Reserve System and the Bank of England they started to prepare for the next world conflict of global scale right after WWI. The USSR was the target.

The Dawes and Young Plans, the creation of Bank of International Settlements (BIS), the Germany's suspension of reparations payments it had to pay according to Paris Peace Treaty and the acquiescence of Russia's former allies in this decision, large-scale foreign investments into the economy of Third Reich, the militarization of German economy and the breaches of Paris Treaty provisions – they all were important milestones on the way of preparing the war.

There were key figures behind the plot: the Rockefellers, the Morgans, Lord Montagu Norman (the Governor of the Bank of England), Hjalmar Schacht (President of the Reichsbank and Minister of Economics in the Hitler's government). The strategic plan of Rockefellers and Morgans was to subjugate Europe economically, saturate Germany with foreign investments and credits and make it deliver a crushing blow against the Soviet Russia so that it would be returned into the world capitalist system as a colony.

Montagu Norman (1871 - 1950) played an important role of go-between to keep up a dialogue between American financial circles and Germany's business leaders. Hjalmar Schacht organized the revival of Germany's defense sector of economy. The operation conducted by "money owners" was covered up by such politicians as Franklin Roosevelt, Neville Chamberlain and Winston Churchill. In Germany the plans were carried out by Hitler and Hjalmar Schacht. Some historians say Hjalmar Schacht played a more important role than Hitler. Simply Schacht kept away from spotlight.

The Dawes Plan was an attempt following World War I for the Triple Entente to compromise and collect war reparations debt from Germany. The Dawes Plan (as proposed by the Dawes Committee, chaired by Charles G. Dawes) was an attempt in 1924 to solve the reparations problem, which had bedeviled international politics following World War I and the Treaty of Versailles (France was reluctant to accept it got over 50% of reparations). In 1924-1929 Germany got $2, 5 billion from the United States and $ 1, 5 billion from Great Britain, according to Dawes Plan. In today's prices the sum is huge, it is equal to $1 trillion of US dollars. Hjalmar Schacht played an active role in the implementation of Dawes Plan. In 1929 he summed up the results, saying that in 5 years Germany got more foreign loans that the United States in the 40 years preceding WWI. As a result, in 1929 Germany became the world's second largest industrial nation leaving Great Britain behind.

In the 1930s the process of feeding Germany with investments and credits continued. The Young Plan was a program for settling German reparations debts after World War I written in 1929 and formally adopted in 1930. It was presented by the committee headed (1929–30) by American industrialist Owen D. Young, creator and ex-first chairman of Radio Corporation of America (RCA), who, at the time, concurrently served at board of trustees of Rockefeller Foundation, and also had been one of representatives involved in previous war reparations restructuring arrangement – Dawes Plan of 1924. According to the plan, the Bank of International Settlements (BIS) was created in 1930 to make Germany pay reparations to victors. In reality the money flows went in quite a different direction - from the United States and Great Britain to Germany. The majority of strategically important German companies belonged to American capital or were partly under its control. Some of them belonged to British investors. German oil refinery and coal liquefaction sectors of economy belonged to Standard Oil (the Rockefellers). Farbenindustrie AG, chemical industry major was moved under the control of the Morgan Group. 40% of telephone network and 30% of Focke Wulf shares belonged to American ITT. Radio and AEG, Siemens, Osram electrical industry majors moved under the control of American General Electric. ITT and General Electric were part of the Morgan's empire. At least 100% of the Volkswagen shares belonged to American Ford. By the time Hitler came to power the US financial capital practically controlled all strategically important sectors of German industry: oil refining, synthetic fuel production, chemistry, car building, aviation, electrical engineering, radio industry, and a large part of machine-building (totally 278 companies). The leading German banks - Deutsche Bank, Dresdner Bank, Donat Bank and some others - were under US control.

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On January 30, 1933 Hitler was named the Chancellor of Germany. Before that his candidacy had been thoroughly studied by American bankers. Hjalmar Schacht went to the United States in the autumn of 1930 to discuss the nomination with American colleagues. The Hitler's appointment was finally approved at a secret meeting of financiers in the United States. He spent the whole 1932 trying to convince the German bankers that Hitler was the right person for the position. He achieved the goal. In mid-November 1932 17 German largest bankers and industrialists sent a letter to President Hindenburg expressing their demand to make Hitler the Chancellor of Germany. The last working meeting of German financiers before the election was held on January 4, 1933 in Kölnat the home of banker Kurt von Schröder. After that the National Socialist Party came to power. As a result, the financial and economic ties of Germany with Anglo-Saxons elevated to a higher level.

Hitler immediately made an announcement that he refused to pay postwar reparations. It put into doubt the ability of England and France to pay off WWI debts to the United States. Washington did not object to the Hitler's announcement. In May 1933 Hjalmar Schacht paid another visit to the United States. There he met with President Franklin Roosevelt and big bankers to reach a $1 billion credit deal.In June the same year Hjalmar Schacht visited London to hold talks with Montagu Norman. It all went down smoothly. The British agreed to grant a $2 billion loan. The British offered no objections related to the Germany's decision to suspend debt payments.

Some historians say the American and British bankers were pliant because by 1932 the Soviet Union had fulfilled the 5-year economic development plan to make it achieve new heights as an industrial power. A few thousand enterprises were built, especially in the sector of heavy industry. The dependence of USSR on import of engineering production has greatly dwindled. The chances to strangle the Soviet Union economically were practically reduced to zero. They decided to rely on war and launched the runaway militarization of Germany.

It was easy for Germany to get American credits. By and large, Hitler came to power in his country at the same time as Franklin Roosevelt took office in the United States. The very same bankers who supported Hitler in 1931 supported Roosevelt at the presidential election. The newly elect President could not but endorse large credits to Germany. By the way, many noticed that there was a big similarity between the Roosevelt's "New Deal Policy" and the economic policy of the German Third Reich. No wonder. The very same people worked out and consulted the both governments at the time. They mainly represented US financial circles.

The Roosevelt's New Deal soon started to stumble on the way. In 1937 America plunged into the quagmire of economic crisis. In 1939 the US economy operated at 33% of its industrial capacity (it was 19% in the heat of the 1929-1933 crisis).

Rexford G. Tugwell, an economist who became part of Franklin Roosevelt's first "Brain, a group of Columbia University academics who helped develop policy recommendations leading up to Roosevelt's New Deal,wrote that in 1939 the government failed to reach any success.There was an open seatill the day Hitler invaded Poland.Only the mighty wind of war could dissipate the fog. Any other measures Roosevelt could take were doomed to failure. [1] Only the world war could save the US capitalism. In 1939 the money owners used all leverage at their disposal to put pressure of Hitler and make him unleash a big war in the east.

***

The Bank of International Settlements (BIS) played an important role during the Second World War. It was created as an outpost of American interests in Europe and a link between Anglo-American and German businesses, a kind of offshore zone for cosmopolitan capital providing a shelter from political processes, wars, sanctions and other things. The Bank was created as a public commercial entity, it's immunity from government interference and such things as taxes collection was guaranteed by international agreement signed in the Hague in 1930.

The bankers of Federal Reserve Bank of New York, who were close to the Morgans, Montagu Norman, the Governor of the Bank of England, German financiers: Hjalmar Schacht (President of the Reichsbank and Minister of Economics in the Hitler's government), Walther Funk (who later replaced Hjalmar Schacht as President of the Reichsbank) and EmilPuhl – all of them played an important role in the efforts to establish the Bank. The central banks of Great Britain, France, Italy, Germany, Belgium and some private banks were among the founders. The Federal Bank of New York did its best to establish the BIS, but it was not listed as a founder. The US was represented by the private First National Bank of New York, J.P. Morgan and Company, the First National Bank of Chicago – all parts of the Morgan's empire. Japan was also represented by private banks. In 1931-1932 19 European central banks joined the Bank of International Settlements. Gates W. McGarrah, a banker of Rockefeller's clan, was the first BIS chairman of the board. He was replaced by Leon Fraser, who represented the clan of Morgans. US citizen Thomas H. McKittrick was President of the Bankduring the war years.

A lot has already been written about the BIS activities serving the interests of Third Reich. The Bank was involved in deals with different countries, including those Germany was at war with. Ever since Pearl Harbor the Bank of International Settlements has been a correspondent bank for the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. It was under Nazi control during the war years, no matter American Thomas Huntington McKittrick was the Bank's President. Soldiers were dying on the battlefields while the leadership of BIS held meetings in Basel with the bankers of Germany, Japan, Italy, Belgium, Great Britain and the United States. There, in the Swiss offshore zone, it was all peaceful, the representatives of belligerents quietly worked in the atmosphere of mutual understanding.

Switzerland became the place where gold seized by Germany in different corners of Europe was transported to for storage. In the March of 1938, when Hitler captured Vienna, part of Austrian gold was transferred to BIS vaults. The same thing happened with the gold of Czech National Bank (48 million USD). As the war started, the flows of gold poured into the Bank of International Settlements. Germany got it from concentration camps and as a result of plundering the wealth of occupied countries (including whatever belonged to civilians: jewels, gold crowns, cigarette cases, utensils…). It was called the Nazi Gold. The metal was processed into ingots to be stored in the Bank of International Settlements, Switzerland, or outside Europe. Charles Higham in his Trading With The Enemy: An Expose of The Nazi-American Money Plot 1933-1949 wrote that during the war Nazi transferred $378 million into the accounts of Bank of International Settlements.

A few words about the Czech gold. The details surfaced when after the Bank of England's archives were declassified in 2012. [2] In the March of 1939 Germany captured Prague. Nazi demanded $48 million of national gold reserves. They were told that the sum had already been transferred to the Bank of International Settlements. Later it became known that the gold was transferred from Basel to the vaults of Bank of England. Upon the command from Berlin the gold was transferred to the ReichsbankBIS account. Then the Bank of England was involved in transactions done upon the orders of Reichsbank given to the Bank of International settlements. The commands were retransmitted to London. There was collusion between German Reichsbank, the Bank of International Settlements and the Bank of England. In 1939 a scandal broke out in Great Britain because the Bank of England executed the transactions with Czech gold upon the commands coming from Berlin and Basel, not the Czech government. For instance, in the June of 1939, three months before the war between Great Britain and Germany started, the Bank of England helped Germans to get into their accounts the amount of gold equal to 440 thousand pounds sterling and transfer some gold to New York (Germany was sure that in case of German intervention into Poland the United States would not declare war).

The illegal transactions with Czech gold were implemented with tacit approval of the government of Great Britain which was aware of what was going on. Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain, Chancellor of the Exchequer Sir John Simon and other top officials did their best to hide the truth, including outright lies (the gold was returned to the lawful owner or had never been transferred to Reichsbank). The recently declassified materials of Bank of England reveal the truth and show that the government officials lied to cover up themselves and the activities of the Bank of England and the Bank of International Settlements. It was easy to coordinate the joint criminal activities because Montagu Norman, the head of Bank of England, served as the chairman of the board of Bank of International Settlements. He never made secret of his sympathy for fascists.

The Bretton Woods Conference, formally known as the United Nations Monetary and Financial Conference, was the gathering of 730 delegates from all 44 allied nations at the Mount Washington Hotel situated in Bretton Woods, New Hampshire, the United States, to regulate the international monetary and financial order after the conclusion of World War II. The conference was held from 1 to 22 July 1944. All of a sudden the issue of the Bank of International Settlements hit the agenda. It was reported that the bank collaborated with fascist Germany. Leaving many details aside, I'd only mention that with great difficulty (some US delegates opposed the motion) the delegates reached an agreement to close the BIS. The decision of international conference has never been enacted. All the discreditable information related to the BIS wartime activities was classified. Today it helps to falsify the history of the Second World War.

Finally, a few words about Hjalmar Schacht (1877-1970) who served as President of the Reichsbank and Minister of Economics in the fascist Germany's government. He was a key figure controlling the economic machine of Third Reich, an extraordinary and plenipotentiaryambassador representing Anglo-American capital in Germany. In 1945 Schacht was tried at Nuremberg to be acquitted on October 1, 1946. He got away with murder. The same way it happened to Hitler. For some unexplained reasons he was not in the 1945 leading wartime criminals list. More to it, Schacht returned to his profession like if nothing happened and founded Schacht GmbH in Düsseldorf. This detail may go unnoticed, though it serves as another testimony to the fact that Anglo-American "money owners" and their plenipotentiary representatives in Germany prepared and, to some extent, influenced the outcome of the Second World War. The "money owners" want to rewrite the history of the war and change its results.

Valentin Katasonov

Source
Strategic Culture Foundation (Russia)

[1] P.Tugwell, The Democratic Roosevelt, A Biography of Franklin D. Roosevelt, New York, 1957, p 477.

[2] http://www.bankofengland.co.uk/arch...


Source : "Anglo-American Money Owners Organized World War II", by Valentin Katasonov, Strategic Culture Foundation (Russia), Voltaire Network, 7 May 2015, www.voltairenet.org/article187508.html

Valentin Katasonov Professor, Department of Moscow State Institute of International Finance, doctor of economic sciences, corresponding member of the Academy of Economics and Commerce. He was consultant of the United Nations (1991-1993), member of the Advisory Council to the President of the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development (EBRD) (1993-1996), head of the Department of international monetary relations of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs Russia (2001-11).

[May 10, 2015] Putin voices grievances as huge parade marks 70th anniversary of victory

Now we have new forces that push the world to the war much like in 30th of XX century. One of the key problem of modern world is the USA elite attempt to maintain world hegemony. The post WWII security architecture was dismantled by the USA and its allies and after the collapse of the USSR. Instead the regime of unconditional domination of the USA was put in place by Clinton's government. This switch was signified by the attack on Serbia and treatment of Russia (as well as other xUSSR countries) after the dissolution of the USSR. Russia as all other xUSSR countries were mercilessly economically raped, which provided to the USA (and EU) another 10 years of economic expansion and only in 2001 crisis hit again. And it never ended with the second wave of the same crisis coming in 2008 and the third wave being in the wings right now (whether it'll materialize in 2016 or 20120 is an open question). With the current level of world debt and, especially, the USA debt the situation changed, Also the USA economy is smaller in comparison with other world economies then ever before (Germany and Japan economies fully recovered from WWII, and China became a new world economic power). This create a drive against the US hegemony and "dollar regime" (with EU and euro as one such development). Recent US adventures in Iraq, Libya and Syria were met with understandable resistance which due to decline of the US manufacturing base threatens the current US domination in world affairs. Only in Ukraine they managed to secure a victory by using nationalists as a Trojan horse for establishing full hegemony over the country (but at the expense of partitioning the country). Due to those threats and instability of world financial system "audacious oligarchy" that rules the USA is becoming more and more reckless. Neocons continue dominate the State Department and we have a chance of neocon becoming the next US president (not the Clinton., Bush II or Obama were substantially different in this respect). Which provoked rearmament of Russia and armament of China making the world again more dangerous. Putin took a "independence" stand (may be prematurely, failing to wait for the time when Russia would be ready, forced by the events in Ukraine) which now greatly complicates US geopolitical position and expantion of its neoliberal empire (which come to the screeching end in any case because the Earth is a finite size) . Troubles with cheap oil availability ("plato oil" or "end of cheap oil") were just the straw that broke the camel back. And without continues expansion of markets neoliberalism enters deep crisis. Understandably no love left between the US elite and Russia and Ukraine was only a pretext to put Russia "in place". The USA and EU desperately need to acquire the control over Russian energy sector, but with Putin in power this is not possible.
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freedomcry -> some1here 10 May 2015 10:36

An apologist is not necessarily a supporter. The bottom line is, you're repeating the exact things Hitler's propaganda used to justify the invasion of the USSR which were contradicted both later, in the way the Nazis behaved on occupied territories, and earlier in Mein Kampf where Hitler had laid out quite bluntly the Lebensraum argument for colonising Russia and Ukraine.

Aneesia 10 May 2015 10:36

The behavior of the West was childish in this matter. They are looking for a fight to keep their economies growing...and will do all they can to provoke one.....like the spoiled brat in a sandbox. Russia was by far the most mature.


Abiesalba -> Carly435 10 May 2015 10:33

And what percentage of Western Europeans are neo-fascists, in your opinion?

If you define Nazi-fascist ideology for what it really is, namely 'us against them' and 'superior' vs 'inferior' nations, then I think at least 10% of the population, if not more.

It is now acceptable for parties with such ideologies to even run in elections, e.g. Wilders, Le Pen, Farage etc., and they get rather high support.

This dangerous 'us and them' ideology has different forms and undertones with respect to the local context. For example, here is Slovenia I would count among such divisive and potentially very dangerous parties the party which won 20% in our 2014 elections (their main target for discrimination are the 'Southerners' = immigrants from other Yugoslav nations).

I think it is very dangerous that Europe is largely turning a blind eye. They also did not confront neither Hitler, nor Mussolini, and more recently nor Milošević until it was too late.

Freedom of speech is not unlimited; it is limited by the rights of others. The right of individuals and groups to human dignity and to not be discriminated against on any grounds has a priority over the right to freedom of expression. In other words, hate speech should be unacceptable, yet parties with hate ideologies are making it to European national parliaments and to the EU parliament. Very worrying.

I suppose that Slovenes are very sensitive to such developments. We have been oppressed by the Austrians/Germans for more than a thousand years. After WWI, Slovenes in Italy were the first nation in Europe to experience the Nazi-fascist terror, so Slovene writers and poets had very early premonitions of a new, even more sinister war coming (which indeed happened - WWII). See for example Srečko Kosovel's poem Ecstasy of Death about the death of western Europe in a sea of scorching blood. Kosovel published this poem in 1925, when he was 21 (and this was 15 years before WWII, and before Hitler rose to power).

Kosovel died at the age of 21, but he was a true European visionary. He stood for Europe of peace and brotherhood of nations. I suspect he would be horrified by the recent developments in Europe if he were alive today. Maybe he would write the Ecstasy of Death all over again.

Vladimir Makarenko -> alpamysh 10 May 2015 10:28

this is what is called "black agitprop" or in a lay man talk - lies.

Vladimir Makarenko -> Metronome151 10 May 2015 10:27

Since when you started to be heartbroken about Russian interests?

CoastalBrake1 -> Abiesalba 10 May 2015 10:24

"With all due respect to the US, the US role is not even remotely comparable to the sacrifice in the Soviet Union. The Red Army was by far the decisive power in defeating Nazi Germany" No shlt, because the Red Army had no other choice under the thumb of one of the most vicious and ignorant military leaders in history.

Yes, Russia clearly paid the biggest price for victory, but many of The Red Army casualties were simply a result of their own military strategies and the fact they had way more troops in the first place compared to other allied powers.

freedomcry -> Carly435 10 May 2015 10:23

Russians are loath to reflect too deeply on the meanings of that war.

That is one big filthy lie. I can see how a certain amount of intelligence went into its making: the fact that the Russian predicament during the war was more about survival than almost anyone else's, creates the possibility that the war impressed itself as something that's more about defeating the invader than understanding what had made them into what they were. And once you have that possibility, you go ahead and just blurt out the claim - it being the nature of ubiquitous Russophobia that any judgement of the Russians automatically rings true.

But seriously, it's so completely false, so diametrically the opposite of how we actually see the war that I'm reeling a little. And I thought I'd heard every insult of Russians out there, from the crudest to the most intricate.

Vladimir Makarenko -> GreatMountainEagle 10 May 2015 10:22

Hm all complaints please to greedy sharks which draw the Versaille treaty. As those with brains can see the WWII started the moment it was signed.

Metronome151 -> Popeyes 10 May 2015 10:22

Indeed it is a win win situation for China at Russia's expense.

Botswana61 -> BeatonTheDonis 10 May 2015 10:21

[stalin]"took the Soviet Union from a devastated agrarian economy to an industrial power that defeated Nazi Germany and was able to compete with the USA and Western Europe."

Soviet Union has never been able to compete economically, industrially with the Western Europe, let alone the U$A.

It collapsed not only because it had an insane political system, but also because it had a lunatic economic system which could not produce any quality products (especially consumer goods) for its populace.

Btw. Putinesque Russia still cannot.

[have you seen any Russian 4G cell phones, laptops, tablets, supercomputers, video cameras, HDTV large screens, modern-wide-body passenger planes or even attractive passenger cars sold anywhere in the world?]

alpamysh -> FraidyMan 10 May 2015 10:18

I think that Merkel's actions, as usual, have been the best.

Boycotting the military parade sends a clear message.

And a German chancellor honouring fallen Russians the next day sends one just as powerful...

Popeyes 10 May 2015 10:17

I hope the Russia/China agreements and the pacts they have made between themselves work out and just maybe the U.S. will climb back into its box. The alliance between Russia/China is Washington's worst nightmare. Russia with the world's largest land mass, richest natural resources and it would seem the most advanced technology together with China who has the world's largest population, and the largest producer and exporter of manufactured goods.


bailliegillies ID5868758 10 May 2015 10:15

We haven't and are fully aware of its consequences. Chamberlain's problem was that Britain was not yet ready to face the might of an emerging Germany. Home Chain was nowhere near ready, nor was Fighter Command, it had plenty of Hurricanes but the Spitfire squadrons were still being formed as was the integrated defence system that the RAF relied on in 1940. Chamberlain and others in government knew that when the war came the main threat that Britain was going to face was from the air. Chamberlain bought the country the time needed to prepare. All the same Munich is not something the country is proud off.

MyFriendWillPay -> sztubacki 10 May 2015 10:14

Murdering their own people when they should be killing other people?

Here is a more human ideal, currently practiced by "you know who"!

* Get agents provocateur to let off a few bombs to create civilian casualties.

* Pin the blame on people you want to get rid of.

* Apply to UN for no-fly zone to protect the civilians.

* Bomb the shit out of anything that moves anywhere in the country.

* Fly in local exiles from US with geologists and lawyers to secure mineral rights

* Conclude regime change

* Escape ensuing chaos to plan next regime change.

* Have your President nominated for Nobel Peace Prize!

Botswana61 -> ijustwant2say 10 May 2015 10:14

One huge difference between UK and RF.

UK has reconciled itself to the loss of the (huge) British Empire after WWII;
never looked back, but moved forward, today being more successul economically than many other EU member states.

[Modern Turkey has also reconciled itself to the loss of its huge Ottoman Empire]

But Russia has not. It still dwells in the past, relieves its past 'glories' and yearns for return of times when everybody feared it.

While still unable to transform itself into a modern, democratic, prosperous country which could have a meaningful, successful future.


Vladimir Makarenko -> dyst1111 10 May 2015 10:12

Hm, what is then the point of NATO expansion in the time when Russia was making drastic reduction in its weapons and army size?

Ukraine coup d'etat? Or should it be called what it is - a highway robbery of Russia's most important trade market?

Well, Russians successfully made it a EU disaster.

As to new generations of weapons - Russians do feel better, they know that for sure Western Europe or whoever will not repeat the 1941 mistake.

kraljevic -> MiltonWiltmellow 10 May 2015 10:10

The Russian power elites are no more pernicious than the American ones. The supposed anti-red, anti-commie Republicans are now the most vocal defenders of Big Commie himself Lenin's perverse internal borders. Lenin arrived at those borders not through democratic legitimacy but through the "blood" of millions of Russian patriots who wanted to preserve the unity of their nation and fought against his monstrous tyranny.

Although supposedly ideological enemies the likes of Breedlove and McCain on one side and Lenin and Trotsky on the other are in perfect harmony when it comes to rigging borders so that the Russian people come away with as little as possible and become the big losers!

The sudden devotion of the American right wing establishment to Lenin's "unitary" Ukraine is motivated purely by the anti-Russian nature of the new Government in Kiev and the damage and shelling and killing it can inflict on the pro-Russian population in the east!

MyFriendWillPay -> MahsaKaerra 10 May 2015 10:07

"A series of UN mandates that Russia deemed so threatening that they either voted in favor of the military interventions or didn't bother to express an opinion one way or the other. For all the US's military actions there have been zero Russian vetoes."

That's because the Yanks are so disingenuous;

* Get agents provocateur to let off a few bombs to create civilian casualties.
* Pin the blame on people you want to get rid of.
* Apply to UN for no-fly zone to protect the civilians.
* Bomb the shit out of anything that moves anywhere in the country.
* Fly in local exiles from US with geologists and lawyers to secure mineral rights
* Conclude regime change
* Escape ensuing chaos to plan next regime change.
* Have your President nominated for Nobel Peace Prize!

Abiesalba -> sztubacki 10 May 2015 10:04

It was estimated about half a million of American soldiers casualties to conquer Japan.

The Soviet Union lost about 10 million soldiers and 15 million civilians.

About 1.6 million German soldiers were killed in WWII, of which 1.1 million in the Eastern (Soviet) front. So out of 10 dead German soldiers, 7 died fighting the Red Army.

In Europe, 9 in 10 Jews were killed.

In Poland, 1 in 5 people were killed, many civilians.

In my country Slovenia, 1 in 10 were killed, many civilians. And about 10% is among the highest national death rates in WWII.

With all due respect to the US, the US role is not even remotely comparable to the sacrifice in the Soviet Union. The Red Army was by far the decisive power in defeating Nazi Germany.

And it is highly hypocritical and disrespectful that the 'west' ignored the celebration of the end of WWII in Europe in Moscow.

Was perhaps the role of the US and the UK in WWII ignored by everybody due to the recent illegal and catastrophic US/UK Iraq invasion? I thought not. There were also no sanctions etc.

Carly435 -> Nat1978 10 May 2015 10:03

Though I'm not a fan of what-aboutism, the horrific scale of German war crimes against Russian POWs has never gained the attention it deserves in the West.

BeatonTheDonis -> alpamysh 10 May 2015 10:00

Luckily for them he is back "on brand" with his latest book, about two-thirds of which is devoted to the Eastern Front, which Beevor believes redresses the balance of previous histories of the Second World War. "Ninety per cent of all Wehrmacht losses were on the Eastern Front. As far as the Germans were concerned, we were a sideshow. But each country sees the war from its own perspective and memories."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/world-war-two/11093344/Antony-Beevor-I-deserved-to-fail-history.-I-was-bolshie....html

WayneB1 10 May 2015 09:53

Unfortunately the West (i.e., the America and its key European allies) refuse to recognise the realities as far as the Russians are concerned. it was understood - blatantly - that Russia did not want countries on its doorstep, including Ukraine, made members of NATO. Yet the West and Ukraine itself persist.

As for WWII. It is callous for the everyman Russian to hear that the country's then leaders - by initially siding with the Nazis and also annihilating their own people - were accountable for so many of the losses they suffered. But regardless of any and all of this, the West should have attended this commemoration in full force. Sanctions, snubbings and petty political manoeuvring is not the way to move forward. The West screwed up royally with Ukraine (and Crimea) and should accept and amend the fact that it is an insensitive behemoth guilty of the utmost arrogance and pushing for the 'unipolar world' suggested by Mr. Putin.

The only thing that will change this is Russia (and other nations) pushing back. Indeed, with the likes of Russia and China establishing relations with South America, it will only be a matter of time that America might find itself the the 'enemy' at its doorsteps.

sodtheproles -> Vijay Raghavan 10 May 2015 09:47

How dare you!? How dare you dishonour and disfigure the memory of British and American exploitation of colonised peoples, and, above all, on a day like this!? Don't you realise how lucky they were to be given the chance of dying for democracy, a chance which was simply not open to them in their home countries!? How the very dare you, Mr Raghavan!?

Eugene Weixel -> Roguing 10 May 2015 09:51

Had Neville Chamberlain and company not given Czechoslovakia to Hitler and nudged him eastward there would have been no pact between the USSR and Hitler. This pact was a response to the Dr facto Hitler Chamberlain accord.

kraljevic -> dyst1111 10 May 2015 09:50

Since the majority of the Balkan peoples are eagerly allowing their territories to be used as forward bases for NATO and American attempts to contain and encircle Russia I wouldn't have wasted a single Russian bullet freeing them from Nazi rule! Many of them schemed with Hitler and took part in the invasion of the Soviet Union with great enthusiasm!They are definitely no angels and since most of them were hostile to the Russian presence and the Americans wouldn't have been in any great hurry to free them if it meant costing them lives there was little reason for the Russians to come to their rescue!

MyFriendWillPay -> Rudeboy1 10 May 2015 09:43

If you unscrambled your comment, it would be more readable but just as wrong.

When the Nazis launched Operation Barbarossa against the Soviet Union (SU) on 22 June 1941, three million German soldiers and almost 700,000 allies of Nazi Germany crossed the border, and their equipment consisted of 600,000 motor vehicles, 3,648 tanks, more than 2.700 planes, and just over 7,000 pieces of artillery.[

The Nazis expected their blitzkrieg to bring total collapse of the SU within two months, and British Intelligence assessed the timescale as 8 - 10 weeks.

However, events unfoulded rather differently as, within the first 3 4 weeks of the campaign, Admiral Canaris, head of German Military Intelligence, confided to a German general on the easter front, that everything about the campaign now looked "black". Even Goebells at that time wrote entries in his diary about how bad German progress was in the first month.

By mid October 1941 - six weeks after the scheduled Nazi victory over the SU - various agencies, from the Swiss Secret Service to the Vatican, predicted that the Nazis would lose the war.

By the start of December 1941, when the Germans ground to a halt just 20 miles from the Kremlin - exhausted, frozen and with over-extended supply lines - the Soviets prepared to strike. Their offensive began on 5 December and it pushed the Nazis back 60 - 170 miles, whereupon Hitler postponed the assault on Moscow until Spring 1942. Significantly, the success of this Soviet offensive prompted the German Armaments Minister to suggest to Hitler that a negotiated peace might be sought. Hitler was not prepared to negotiate, although his inner circle and Hitler himself, evidently realized that the war was lost.

The Nazis fought on, hoping to seize the oilfields in the southeast, but this dream ended with the surrender of their army at Stalingrad in early 1942 and the long retreat to Berlin. During the retreat, a new dream emerged as the Nazis hoped to make peace with the western allies, and then turn their combined forceas against the Soviets. However, that was not to be, and the war ended in berlin on 9 May 1945.

In summary, the Soviets were always going to win this war after Operation Barbarossa failed to crush them during the Summer of 1941. The Nazis had failed to seize Soviet materiel - from food to oil - and, unlike the Soviets, they were not able to go on replacing casualties with high quality manpower. Also, importantly, the Soviets were not merely fighting for freedom as their western allies were doing, they were fighting for their very survival as a people, hence their monumental sacrifices.

The die for the outcome of this war was cast before the first shipments of material support to the Soviets, welcome as they were, and almost three years before the Normandy landings. But the cost to the SU was enormous: vast destruction of infrastructure, and the loss of fighters and civilians killed at 30 times higher than the combined losses of the British Empire and the United States!

That is why the western WW2 allies' boycott of the Memorial Parade was churlish.

Eugene Weixel -> Abiesalba 10 May 2015 09:43

UZ troops had their way with destitute women in Germany and Italy the price of a candy bar for years.

Abiesalba -> Carly435 10 May 2015 09:40

Russians and Russian history textbooks gloss over what was at stake in WWII. For them, it's all about defeating an enemy

Americans and Britons completely fail to understand the difference between having the territory of your own nation occupied and sending soldiers and/or planes to fight in another country.

Having the enemy on your doorstep in terrible. And having Nazi-fascists on your doorstep was much worse in Slavic countries than in the occupied western European nations, becuase Hitler, Mussolini and allies waged ethnic cleansing of 'inferior' Slavs. On the other hand, the Aryan people of the occupied western Europe were spared this horror.

I am from Slovenia, which was brutally occupied in WWII by Germany, Italy and Hungary. For two decades before WWII, Italian fascists pursued ethnic cleansing in western Slovene territory. This ethnic cleansing only intensified in WWII.

For Slovenes, WWII meant having to choose between fear and courage every day.

We had a very strong resistance movement, including the guarilla partisan fighters.

But members of the resistance knew how brutal the revenge of the occupiers against their families and Slovenes can be. When the father joined the partisans, the mother and the children had to go underground. The occupiers frequently shout 10 civilian hostages for every of their soldiers killed by the resistance. They burnt down whole villages on suspicion that they support the partisans. Oh, and the use of the Slovene language was prohibited. And Slovenes were tortured, sent to concentration camps etc.

In fact, our strong resistance drove the occupiers crazy. Italians encircled the capital of Slovenia, Ljublana, with 35 km of barbed wire and bunkers, hoping that they will defeat the resistance. In essence, they converted Ljubljana to the largest concentration camp in Europe. But people still strongly fought back, including the increasingly strong partisan units.

The people of the Soviet Union faced a similar dilemma. They fought incredibly heroically for every inch of their homeland. In fact, they largely defeated Nazi Germany themselves. The Eastern Front was the largest military combat in history.

And while the people of the Soviet Union, Slovenia and other occupied nations fought for their very existence, it seems to me, with all due respect, that the resistance in the occupied western countries was very weak, and often their regimes in effect sided with Germany.

Now, what would you do if you had the enemy on your doorstep? Would you chose fear or courage?

It is a tough personal choice and a tough decision for a nation. But under such circumstances, the true spirit of the nation shines through.

freedomcry -> lizgiag 10 May 2015 09:39

The anti-Russian feelings you encounter are really the product of decades of anti-Soviet propaganda.

It's much older than that, I'm afraid. Anti-Soviet propaganda was a continuation of an already well-established prejudice against Russians. And the sad thing is, notwithstanding the West's present obsession with fighting stereotypes and hate speech, many a Westerner nowadays would read Rudyard Kipling's ridiculous The Man Who Was and find it entirely convincing because those are the exact same cardboard Russians with horns and tails that their media and Hollywood keep showing them.

Laudig 10 May 2015 09:38

Compare the situation in the Crimea and the situation in Hawaii. The vote was held promptly in Crimea. 3 or 4 generations later in Hawaii. The USG has no moral standing to complain. It is an empire that needs to collapse so the country can exist.

Vijay Raghavan 10 May 2015 09:38

I think the President of Russia & President of China being very powerful should ask the exceptional president of America to pay pension dues for war veterans of second world war.They should take this matter up in security council & discuss this promptly.If the British & Americans claim that their values are exceptional then how come they have not paid the pensions for millions of war veterans for 70 years.

I think the exceptional president should ask his federal printing press to print a little more dollars & send it to all countries who have been paying pensions on their behalf.

BBC can do like this instead of wasting their time on silly documentaries they should produce documentaries on their war veterans & ask the moral question are they responsible for paying war veterans pensions or not.

lizgiag -> MiltonWiltmellow 10 May 2015 09:37

Great rant! But if you take a look at any country's history you will find the same - Britain, Spain, France, Germany - bloody wars instigated everywhere all for the glory of empire & resources.

Now its the turn of the EU & USA - these empires are re-branded, they no longer call themselves empires, but the outcome is the same - a geo-political land & resource grab!

Be in NO DOUBT the populace comes way down on the list of concerns - look at what is happening the world over, the middle east is in a mess because of the involvement of the West recently but also for decades past.

Do not be fooled, the New American Century is upon us...google it!


freedomcry -> Botswana61 10 May 2015 09:25

And it probably originates with Nazi propaganda about the advancing barbarous subhuman Russian hordes.

This is not to be taken as a denial that the Red Army committed any rapes at all. Rather, I'm pointing to the fact that mass rapes are just the sort of thing that specifically Russian soldiers were likely to be accused of, whether they did it or not. And the core of that prejudice still survives more or less intact.

Vijay Raghavan -> GreatMountainEagle 10 May 2015 09:16

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/nagpur/World-War-II-pensioners-get-pittance-from-government/articleshow/4741980.cms

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/patna/World-War-II-veterans-get-only-Rs-1000-pension/articleshow/19923091.cms

http://www.deccanherald.com/content/102212/govt-directed-reconsider-pension-world.html

Those who fought for the British only got a middle finger.BBC has been so callous it does not even put in a word to British government to reimburse pension for those who fought for them.....that has been their attitude.

The total number of people for whom the British government has not paid pension is 1.5MM people for their 2nd world war.Indian governemnt had to pay their pensions & they have been paying with all courts saying it is India's responsibility.The cost per year would be 1.Billion for 60 years we had paid 60Billion dollars that is just your world war 2....add another 30 Billion for your world war 1.I think the Guardian and BBC should write a article about that and ensure British Government promptly repays back 100Billion dollars to India.If we add up Nepal that will also be huge claim on British government.

We can do a deal like this you can pay 50% for our schools & another 50% for the roads & hospitals.or May be you can give a interest free loan to Nepal for 100 billion against pension amount payable to India as they need that money badly for fixing their country after earth quake.

Standupwoman -> MentalToo 10 May 2015 09:15

'Rapes committed by western allies ground troops against German civilians are not, for the very good reason nothing like that happened.'

That is not true. There is considerable evidence to suggest the majority of rapes were committed by the Red Army (whose own civilian population had suffered in a way ours never had) but the other Allies were guilty of a lot of it too - one estimate quoting a figure of 11,040 for the Americans alone. Don't forget the Australian journalist who accompanied the American army and claimed:

I know for a fact that many women were raped by white Americans. No action was taken against the culprits. In one sector a report went round that a certain very distinguished army commander made the wisecrack, 'Copulation without conversation does not constitute fraternisation'.

Rape is always wrong, and even if the Red Army had considerably more provocation than we did, that still doesn't excuse them. But neither does it give us the right to lie about them, or about our own share in the atrocities. Can't we at least show some integrity about that?

BeatonTheDonis -> ijustwant2say 10 May 2015 09:14

The history on Churchill's role in the Bengal Famine and Allied torture and murder of German and Japanese POWs is quite recent, so you must be pretty young if you covered it at school.

You haven't provided any evidence for Putin's revisionism affecting Russian schools. From what Putin has said, it seems he acknowledges Stalin's crimes but places them in the context of the challenges Stalin faced and he compares Stalin to other historical figures whose crimes against humanity haven't seen them completely written off as monsters - Oliver Cromwell, for example.

Stalin was a murderer who terrified his populace into submission. But he was also in power for 30 years and took the Soviet Union from a devastated agrarian economy to an industrial power that defeated Nazi Germany and was able to compete with the USA and Western Europe. Life expectancy in the USSR when he died had increased to 63 for men and 69 for women.

After the fall of the USSR, life expectancy for men fell to under 60 - that is the context which sees Putin lauded by many Russians.

Tattyana -> Carly435 10 May 2015 09:13

It is easy. We can not find any single point your ideology is ever better.

You insist our media keep to lie? You think so because YOUR media told you so? I can read both - yours and ours. I can read Ukrainian as well. And I can compare. Can you?

I can continue, but unlike you I do aware, there are some bad pages in history of every country or people. And I never start to talk with any of Germany people from the point "Do you remember that Hitler killed millions of Russians?"

Though here is much more truth than in your points which should blow hatred to Russians.

Abiesalba -> Barkywoof 10 May 2015 09:10

Was nothing learned from that awful war ?

Unfortunatelly, not much. Except that it is now not politically correct in western Europe to specifically target the Jews.

However, it is very popular to specifically target the horrible 'Eastern and Central European' immigrants. The term 'Eastern and Central European' immigrants predominantly means the Slavs.

According to the Nazi ideology, Slavs were at the very bottom of the race hierarchy, below the Jews. And oppression of 'inferior' Slavs by the 'Aryan' race has more than a thousand years of history. Hitler planned a genocide of Slaves, and the Nazis killed many millions of Slavs due to their 'inferior' ethnicity.

I find it very disturbing that in the 21st century in nations which Hilter declared to be the Aryan superior race, targeting the Slavs is acceptable. Take Wilders in the Netherlands or Farage in the UK, or neo-Nazis in Austria and neo-fascists in Italy, etc.

moongibbon Carly435 10 May 2015 09:09

This is the spectacle presented in the Western media and it's not representative of Russians at all, for whom today is about remembering those who died in WWII to save their country from destruction.

Lafcadio1944 10 May 2015 09:08

The Guardian's "coverage" of Russia is pathetic. Anyone could have written this article far from Moscow by just watching TV. It is really disgraceful propagandist "reporting" just throw up some insult and scary warning about evil Putin/Russia and go home - well done.

There are huge - some even positive - things going on in Russia, China and India which count for a huge % of the global population and China is the 2nd largest economy and has launched one of the biggest global trade initiatives of modern times yet not a word about it.

The Guardian just regurgitates propaganda about these nations written by the CIA or US State Department it has no reporters in these places and just ignores any positive developments. Thu leaving its readers fearful of the "mysterious" East - purposely.

Dimmus -> Isanybodyouthere 10 May 2015 09:06

"like claims to Russian speaking populations being endangered " - everything depends on the point of view of course. Even when pro-Russian people in Ukraine were burned alive they were not endangered from the point of view of anti-Russian nationalists.

When many russian journalists were killed in Ukraine - it is not much mentioned, it is not interesting.

When one US journalist killed somewhere - country is bombed and all the media for long time are full of discussions and moaning.

When pro-Russian people (Ossetians) in Georgia were bombed by heavy artillery by order of Georgian president it was not endangering of those people because the president was a US-friendly president.

And there are many more examples of western nationalizm. Just believe, that there are many people around the world who are really feel endangered by nationalists, including western nationalism.

Eugene Weixel -> raffine 10 May 2015 09:06

Had the West not awarded Czechoslovakia to Hitler and nudged him eastward three never would have been that pact, and many fewer on all sides would have suffered and died.

teurin_hgada -> GreatMountainEagle 10 May 2015 09:05

Rotenberg is jew. TimchenKO is ukrainian. Those evil nazi russians!!

teurin_hgada -> Metronome151 10 May 2015 09:03

Poland invaded Russia somedays before that. That was revenge. 'Who will come with us with a sword will dye from a sword' very old russian proverb. Chingiskhan, Napoleon, and Hitler knew that. Obobo still dont know

kraljevic -> sztubacki 10 May 2015 09:02

Facts speak for themselves Russia emerged the victor in WW2 but its an irony that if anyone sticks up for the Russians they are accused of being a fascist!Many eastern European nations especially western leaning ones look down on Russians as oriental savages and there's no doubt many of them hated their Russian liberators more than they did the Germans even though the latter treated them like scum! That's why the Russians should have stopped when they liberated their own territories and let the Eastern Europeans stew in their in their own juices and liberate themselves.Why should a Russian mother lose her precious son to free a Pole or Czech or Hungarian who hates him with a passion and would stab him in the back first chance he got!

freedomcry nobblehobble 10 May 2015 08:58

Like I said: Russian neo-Nazis exist. Your links tell a lot about the level of attention they get from Western media (who happily follow the old trope of "take an issue that's hot in the West and make it look like it's much worse in Russia" - never fails to sell well) than about the actual scale of the problem. Did you even know Tesak is in jail now? Or that Belov (if you even know who that is) is under house arrest?

Do you know what phrase famously, and ridiculously, landed Konstantin Krylov a conviction for hate speech in 2013? Did you know last year's Russian March was pro-Ukrainian? No? Then leave me alone.

No; apologise for the paid troll libel, then leave me alone.

Eugene Weixel -> bumcyk 10 May 2015 08:51

Russia is being demonized and confronted by the West as though it was the USSR. It is in Russia and some former Soviet republics that the victory over Nazism is unambiguously seen as something positive.

Barkywoof 10 May 2015 08:58

There are a bunch of psychos always at the ready on all sides if allowed to take the reins. The Russians did terrible things. The Nazis did terrible things. Then the USA killed hundreds of thousands of innocent Japanese women and children with a new and horrifying weapon.

I don't think it's a case of 'We Are Good... They are Bad.'
Was nothing learned from that awful war ?

teurin_hgada -> Roguing 10 May 2015 08:58

Half of Europr and Japan were Hitler allies. Ask them. And USSR just signed pact of no attack with Hitler. It is not the same that to be allies

sodtheproles -> Isanybodyouthere 10 May 2015 08:57

So what should be done when Russian speaking populations who see themselves as Russian are 'endangered', and that's 'endangered' in the sense of raped, bludgeoned, shot, beaten and burnt to death 'endangered'

Eugene Weixel -> nonanon1 10 May 2015 08:56

Good enough reason as Putin underlines the fact that his name is not Manuel Noriega.

sodtheproles -> ID5868758 10 May 2015 08:53

It's Shaun of all credibility journalism

Eugene Weixel -> Koppen616 10 May 2015 08:53

A necessary show of force, determination and support by the world's largest nation's, and many others as well.

Vladimir Makarenko -> ChristineH 10 May 2015 08:51

Hm, "dinosaur era" is marked by destroying countries by choice and then walking away cursing "f*ck, it is again didn't work..."

Military parade commemorating staggering sacrifice is internal matter of Russia and for Russia, outsiders are welcome to watch and think twice.

oAEONo -> Nolens 10 May 2015 08:50

What "well documented fact" are you talking about, can you please give me a link?

Books by Noam Chomsky would provide you with a huge amount of carefully documented facts. Some are even mentioned on this thread alone. That you missed them up until now simply beggars belief. Makes me wonder if you are interested in facts at all.

SHappens 10 May 2015 08:50

"We have seen attempts to create a unipolar world, and we see how forced bloc thinking is becoming more common."

Because of the attitude of the United States, but also because of the cowardice of European leaders, this May 9, 2015 has confirmed the division of the world in two. It symbolizes the opposition of an "old world", the Atlantic Basin and this new world emerging around Asia, which constantly attracts to itself new countries.

During his speech in Munich in 2007, Putin talked about a multipolar world. Because even the most powerful and richest country cannot alone ensure the stability of the world. The US project exceeds the US forces. But instead of listening, since this speech there was an acceleration of the US demonization of Putin.

It is important to break this dynamic of the political blocs to return towards a dynamic of a multipolar world. Beyond the shame and anger we feel for the attitude of the western leaders, beyond the disgust we feel for the insult not only to the Russian people but also to Chinese and Indian people, as well as to all others who came to Moscow on 9 May, we must realize that by calculation or cowardice, Western leaders, by abdicating their natural role, are helping to plunge the world towards a future of wars and conflicts.

It is a mistake- as we know from Talleyrand - the policy mistakes are worse than crimes.

Standupwoman , 10 May 2015 08:47
Are YOU remembering the massacre of Poles at Volhynia and Eastern Galicia by Ukraine's own newly celebrated UPA? Where estimates of the dead vary between 60,000 and 100,000?

Russia has at least admitted Soviet responsibility for the Katyn massacre - and officially condemned Stalin for it. Ukraine, on the other hand, has just declared Roman Shukhevych a Hero, and prohibited 'disrespect' for the UPA.

No country should be denied honour for genuinely heroic deeds, no matter what else it's done. As long as that country also admits and is sorry for its crimes, then it is also worthy our respect. Unlike Ukraine under its current regime, Russia merits

Michael A -> sztubacki 10 May 2015 08:46

Thank you for sharing MIKHAIL SHISHKIN's honest, candid and insightful words. I share his morality. He is correct in his assumptions and conclusions and he mirrors my felling about the hypocrisy that has shaped too much of my American lifetime.

The shame of the disintegration of relations between our two spheres is not the goals sought but the myopic way both sides have gone about achieving them.

Unfortunately the old American saw that our children grow up with, "it matters not whether you win or lose, but how you play the game", is almost inevitably and totally reversed in adulthood to, "it matters whether you win or lose, not how you played the game". The idealism and honesty of youth is replaced with greed and shortsightedness as age creeps in.

I thank the Russian people for the horrible sacrifices they made on behalf of victory over fascism. I also thank my American, British, French, etc, etc brothers and sisters for the their sacrifice. Sacrifice is to be commended not by degree but by intent. Thank you all.

Goodthanx -> Metronome151 10 May 2015 08:42

The number of Poles who died due to Soviet repressions in the period 1939-1941 is estimated as at least 150,000

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_repressions_of_Polish_citizens_(1939%E2%80%9346)

Ukrainian nationalists[edit]
Main article: Massacres of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia
Ukrainian nationalists organized massacres of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia during which (according to Grzegorz Motyka) approximately 80,000-100,000 Poles were killed.[5]

An OUN order from early 1944 stated: "Liquidate all Polish traces. Destroy all walls in the Catholic Church and other Polish prayer houses. Destroy orchards and trees in the courtyards so that there will be no trace that someone lived there... Pay attention to the fact that when something remains that is Polish, then the Poles will have pretensions to our land"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_and_expulsion_of_Poles_from_the_USSR

And these are now your friends???
says a lot.

MiltonWiltmellow kraljevic 10 May 2015 08:41

Its a sad reflection of today's selfish blinkered and short sighted world that the usual Russophobes and closet Nazis are given so much space and airtime to spread their pernicious ideology which consists of almost exclusively denigrating everything Russian.

Where are the thundering armies of the Tsar trampling the upstart Napoleon at Borodino?

Where are the Tsar's great Cossacks rousting quiet villages to pay the Tsar's new taxes during the Balybostock Pogram (1906) while terrified Russians fled into the night, onto the steppes, into the ocean...

And, as I'm a bit of an ettymologitst, where did the term "pogram" actually originate.

Where are the murderers of the Tsar's family whose blood spattered the cellar of a small estate? Who was Pavel Medevedev?

There's one Russian truth. Not this glorious past upon which Putin attempts to rebuild a lost and imperious empire, but a series of killings in the night of the Russian people by those waving saber and lance against defenseless people.

Exhortations like this this belong in the history books of Germany, Imperial Russia, and many of the religiously motivated wars that has turned Europe's soil a deep, rich crimson from which has arisen -- like a virginal saint roused from slumber-- as kingmakers and various petty tyrants lick their bloody wolf lips.

Nobility in war is about as common women and children left unmoslested by maurading troops.

Go badk to your Tolstoy ... or is it your pastiche writer Sholokov? ... to find your vanished glory, because there's little glory in Russian History. It's mostly a history of endurance and suffering.

Says Kasparov:

Arguably the world's best chess player ever, Garry Kasparov is on a new mission. He hopes to convince the world that the biggest threat to global unrest is not the Islamic State, al-Qaida or North Korea. Instead it is Vladimir Putin, Russia's president from 2000 to 2008 and then again from 2012 to today. [http://news.yahoo.com/bianna-golodryga-interviews-garry-kasparov-093317385.html]

mrkhawaja1944 -> Roguing 10 May 2015 08:41

Ask the Russians they will give you better answer but I am not talking about invaders Russians or no Russians but do you know any country invaded America I know of one and they are very good friends now but give you list of countries invaded and occupied by America and Europe I do not think you can name any country in present days world not invaded by so called western powers.

But I was taking about Russian who died in millions defending the country not invading other countries.

Vladimir Makarenko -> Debreceni 10 May 2015 08:36

Let's make some sorting of apples from oranges: not "Ukrainians" but Western Ukrainians or how they called themselves "Galicians". Galicia never was a part of Russia but divided between Hungary and Poland. Its pro independence movement made alliance with German Nazis in the beginning of 30-ties.

When Nazis made a call for SS division "Galicia" more than 100,000 volunteered, 27,000 were admitted. Their training was in first turn anti guerilla actions. Their fate was sealed during three days battle of Brody with regular experienced Soviet troops which without particular difficulty eliminated this bunch wannabe warriors. The remnants (about 7,000) escaped and ended up in Italy and after war across the pond, mostly to Canada. (Hence Canada attitude to Russia today).

This explains why there will be no peace between Donbass and Eastern Ukraine (which was a center of resistance then as it is today) and pro Galician (today) Kiev.

itsanevolvething 10 May 2015 08:36

A serious lack of respect and error of judgment by scameron and other western nations to not recognise the sacrifice of the Red Army in WW2 and send representation to this event. There is zero wisdom out there right now..just battle lines being drawn up.

nnedjo -> Omniscience 10 May 2015 08:33

Not sure, hope that wouldn't clash with the Victory over Czechoslovakia celebrations.

Czech President Milos Zeman met with Putin yesterday and, among other things, said the following:
President of the Czech Republic Miloš Zeman (in Russian):

Thank you, Mr President.

You know, politics are like the weather: it cools off and then it gets warmer. A person is happy when it warms up after a cool-down. This is one thing.

The other is that I have stated several times in public that I am here primarily to pay tribute not only to those soldiers who died on the territory of the Czech Republic, but to all the 20, or some say 27 million Soviet citizens, both soldiers and civilians, who died during the Great Patriotic War. This was the first purpose of my visit.

Abiesalba -> J00l3z 10 May 2015 08:32

He would do as well to remember that Stalin consigned a great number of the returning servicemen who had seen the west to death in Gulags. And that Russia exterminated more of her own people than Hitler did in concentration camps. Shmoozing despots says a lot about the nasty party !

The UK and all other imperial powers would do well to remember how many countries they forcefully occupied and then ruthlessly exploited their hunam and natural resources for centuries, including slavery. The UK and others had colonies well after WWII.

How many dead people from the activities of these most glorious empires based on Nazi-like ideologies of the 'superior' nation vs the 'inferior' nation?

And did these most democratic western powers ever pay reparations to their former colonies for the huge damage they have caused?

johhnybgood 10 May 2015 08:29

In the US the population knows nothing about the Russian involvement in the war.

Even in Europe only 13% of the population know the real story. This of course is because the history has been rewritten. If you watched the ceremony in Moscow, you realised just how deep feelings still run throughout the whole population. Few families escaped without loss.

This is why the West is playing with fire through its NATO encroachment provocation. The West's foreign policy regarding Russia is totally self defeating. Only the politicians are responsible -- the general populations have no desire for war with Russia - quite the reverse, Russia and China represent the future of global trade.

mrkhawaja1944 10 May 2015 08:18

Shameful act of revenge by western leaders not people by not attending ceremony in Russia as if their dead were better then Russians who lost millions.

They did not attend just because they do not like one man happened to be president making excuse of Ukrainian problem but who started it paid demonstrators by CIA known fact like the Arab spring where no flowers bur rubbles pile up in middle east spread to Europe thanks to American freedom loving policies.

Russians who died in millions deserver to be remembered with respect like the one in western countries who's leaders absence is disgraceful act.

Abiesalba -> HHeLiBe 10 May 2015 08:12

Sad that the hallmarks of expansionism and extreme nationalism are now most evident in Russia.

How about the illegal US/UK Iraq invasion?

How about the US relationships with its neighbours? A Berlin Wall along its border with Mexico. Decades of embarge against their neighbour Cuba. Cuba is, however, good enough for the US to have its Guantanamo concentration camp there. Oh, and how about racism in the US, and the status of the native Indians.

The UK financially supported the rise to power of Mussolini and his fascists in Italy who pursued brutal policies of ethnic cleansing of 'inferior' races long before Hitler rose to power in Germany. After WWII, the UK prevented extradition of 1,200 Italian fascists accused of war crimes to Yugoslavia, Greece and Ethiopia. These war criminals were never put to trial, and the UK kept supporting Italian pro-fascist politicians after WWII. The general acceptance of Italian fascism in the UK was also reflected in the English football team Sunderland appointing the Italian extreme Mussolini fan and self-declared fascist Paolo Di Canio as the manager in 2013.

Meanwhile, Italy keeps denying its WWII atrocities and neo-fascism is very alive. Every year, in Italy people march to celebrate the anniversary of Mussolini's march on Rome, which led to Mussolini's fascist regime taking the power in Italy (video of the march in 2014 here.) The most democratic 'western' states do not protest about it and the western media just avoid this scandal.

And there is much more. For example, in February 2015 (three months ago), the Italian GOVERNMENT (!) gave medals of honour to 300 Mussolini's fascists, including 6 accused of war crimes.

And neo-Nazism is alive and well also in Austria. Surely the EU members demanded in 2002 that neo-Nazi Jörg Haider is expelled from the Austrian government. But after that happened, nobody cared about the fact that Haider went on to be the elected (!) governor of the Carinthia region of Austria until 2008 (he was not voted out; he died in a reckless car crash) where he pursued apartheid-like policies against the Slovene minority in Carinthia. Slovenes are Slavs, and according to Nazi and fascist ideology they are an 'inferior' race and should be eradicated. The Slovene minorities in Austria and Italy keep being oppressed and attacked by neo-fascists and neo-Nazis, often also via the attitudes of the Italian and the Austrian governments.

Germany is the only Nazi-fascist country which fully admitted its war atrocities and apologized for them. Germany is now at least very watchful about neo-Nazis, and is trying to crack down on groups with neo-Nazi and similar ideologies. Even so, neo-Nazism is rising its ugly head also in Germany.

Many other European states keep denying their involvement in Nazism and fascism. In these states (e.g. Austria, Italy, Hungary, Slovakia, the Netherlands etc. etc.), the state of denial enables Nazi and fascist ideologies to thrive. In Hungary, the neo-fascist Jobbik party won 17% of the votes in the 2010 elections and 20% in 2014. In Slovakia, a neo-Nazi won regional elections in 2013. In the Netherlands, Geert Wilders' party is the third largest in the parliament. In the UK, UKIP just got 13% of the votes and is the third largest party by the number of votes.

Besides, all western European states (including the UK) are collectively in denial about their centuries-long support of Nazi-like ideologies. The imperialistic Nazi-like ideology of 'superior' vs 'inferior' nations/races fuelled centuries of forceful occupation, oppression and exploitation of human and natural resources (including slavery) of many 'inferior' nations around the world.

Across western Europe, there is rising discrimination against 'Eastern and Central European' immigrants. These unwanted immigrants are largely Slavs. The specific targeting of 'inferior' Slavs has a long history in Europe (over a thousand years) and was also reflected in Hitler's hierarchy of races, where the Slavs were at the very bottom of under-humans (below the Jews). Hitler had plans for extensive genocide of Slavs, and Nazis killed many millions of them (e.g. Poles, Ukarinians).

In this historical context, I find the specific targeting of 'inferior' Slavs by various xenophobic groups in western Europe rather disturbing. This is nothing but re-painted Nazi-fascist ideology. Notably, such ideology thrives in particular in nations which Hitler declared to be the superior race = Herrenvolk = Aryan race: Germans, British, Irish, Dutch, Northern French, Swedes, Norwegians, Danes etc.

It seems to me that it would not be acceptable in modern Europe to specifically target the Jews. On the other hand, it is very acceptable to specifically target the Slavs.

Rudeboy1 -> Batleymuslim 10 May 2015 08:11

The first rule of war is logistics, logistics , logistics...in that order.

I don't underestmate the Russians, far from it. It's a realistic view on their real capabilities and re-equipment in recent years. They're running to stay still at present. They have block obsolescence on the horizon for most of their kit and can't afford to replace it at the required levels. The Russian Navy is a case in point, their latest SSN was actually laid down 15 years ago and has yet to enter service. For surface ships they're done for as they either don't have the skills or they no longer have powerplants for them (their marine GT's were all built in the Ukraine).

The recent excitement over their new armour was a tad over the top. Have a look at them. The Kurganets? Is it as good as a German Puma? Bumerang? Is it really as good as a German Boxer? The Armata is an attempt to try and close the gap to western designs, but it's 25+ years too late. They'll never manage to build 2000 of them, they don't have the funds or the production capabilities.

The point about the F22 and F35 is still valid. I'm not counting the F35's as they're yet to hit IOC. The West has done all this in an era of declining military spending, with next to no effort.

In contract the Russians are spending increasing proportions on defence although they have announced some cuts recently). The Russian's simply aren't a military threat, and they know it. The last thing we need is an over-reaction. If the Armata is anything like previous Russian tanks once we get our hands on one we'll find that it was never all that anyway, still it keeps defence spending a little higher I suppose...

nnedjo -> Bradtweeters 10 May 2015 08:05

This is not a commemoration of the war dead. The commemoration of the war dead are being made at monuments to war victims. So, this is a celebration of the victory over fascism, and not any commemoration.

But, anyway, Putin is not a priest, he is a politician, and from politicians are expected on such occasions to give a political message too. Especially, if he complains that there is not enough cooperation in the world. It should be the political agenda of all politicians in the world, and not only of Putin.

lizgiag -> Natalia Volkova 10 May 2015 08:01

Privet Natalia! The anti-Russian feelings you encounter are really the product of decades of anti-Soviet propaganda. For decades there was really nothing positive said about the Soviet Union, years and years of negativity (not just about the system but also the people) meant that it is a deeply rooted feeling which was very easy to resurrect in the past few years.

Whilst this is not new, the more sinister side of this is the re-writing of history, so that the events of World War 2 are re-interpreted to the extent that the Soviet Union is now slowly being seen as the aggressor to fit in with the current narrative for the West's geo-political strategy.

Frustrating as this is, it makes it even more important that Russia's point of view is put forward even if it seems futile.

kraljevic 10 May 2015 07:59

Its a sad reflection of today's selfish blinkered and short sighted world that the usual Russophobes and closet Nazis are given so much space and airtime to spread their pernicious ideology which consists of almost exclusively denigrating everything Russian.

You could almost see some of them them practicing their Heil Hitler salutes in front of the mirror!

But however many of them delude themselves into believing that victory was snatched from their grasp by a set of unlucky circumstances rather than relentless Russian resistance then they will continue to try to kid the world that Russia's victory was a fluke!

The next step is to revive the myth that the SS and their allies stood for humane values and the defence of freedom and European civilization! But none of this relentless drivel will affect the attitude of the majority of people who continue to be inspired by the incredible, unimaginable and superhuman bravery and defiance of the Russian people in a life and death struggle unmatched in the annals of history!

geedeesee -> airman23 10 May 2015 07:46

"Crimea belongs to Ukraine"

Things change, nothing is fixed forever. Scotland may leave the UK. The Declaration of Independence by the Republic of Crimea was in accord with the provisions in the UN Charter.

Standupwoman -> sztubacki 10 May 2015 07:46

I don't actually disagree with you about the leadership. Stalin (a Georgian, as you know) was a murderous tyrant in his own right, and the Russian people suffered as much as any other Soviet country under his rule.

But Victory Day isn't about Stalin, except as a figurehead. It's about the ordinary men and women who fought and died and achieved the most incredible victory the world has ever seen. How could anyone want to take away from that?

dyst1111 -> Manolo Torres 10 May 2015 07:42

"Then we have the Royals that attended Nazi parties and married Nazis and even conspired against Britain with the Nazis."

And what of this? Nothing. They had no power.

Halifax was sidelined because of his attitude and Churchill made PM.

Soviet Union worked with the Nazis AFTER the war had broken out. Worked closely on many levels.

And there is one more aspect - what Britain and France did is regarded today with disdain as cowardly acts. What USSR did is desperately being whitewashed by Russia. So even if they acted more less the same, only Russia thinks it was OK.

John Smith -> Omniscience 10 May 2015 07:33

The US companies had some 500 mln$ investments in German war industries.

Standard Oil, General Motors, General Electric, ITT, Ford...
IG Farben ( Standard Oil) financed Hitler's rise to power.

CaptTroyTempest -> Kaikoura 10 May 2015 07:31

According to Wikileaks, Petro Walzmann (aka Poroschenko) has been in the pockets Washington's pocket since 2006. Probably just a coincidence.

http://scgnews.com/leaked-documents-ukraines-new-president-works-for-the-us-state-department?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

juster 10 May 2015 07:25

Soviets may have won the war but they got pasted in the subsequent PR department.

I've seen interesting public opinion polls in France that immediately after the war showed 80+% people said mostly SU won the war and 60 year on 80+% people said the US played that role.

Because SU was branded the empire of evil and the US the force of good and people bought it ignoring the fact there is precious little difference. And still to this day Obama speaks of say the Vietnam war with praising the american troops for their righteous and good fight for freedom in the jungles. Clearly, he's never seen the Winter Soldier. The one from 1972 with testimonies of veterans that was and is de facto censored in the US for 40 years now, not the Cpt. America one.

Manolo Torres -> Botswana61 10 May 2015 07:24

Are you joking?!

In a new international ranking, the United Kingdom ranks first, while the U.S. performs poorly across almost all health metrics.

According to the world health organization you are second to 36 countries in 2000. Morocco, Singapore and Costa Rica have better healthsystem than you.

teurin_hgada -> AlfredHerring 10 May 2015 07:21

Your democrazy is nukong civilians in Japan after theirs capitulation. To kill Vietnam with WMD. Serbia, Syria, Lybia, Iraq.

Do you know that democracy eas invited in Greece and means slavery. There are citizens in democracy, and there are slaves, which brings prosperity to citizens. We dont want to be slaves of successors of criminals from whole word which made genocide to indeans civilization 300 years ago

Kaiama 10 May 2015 07:21

Read and Enjoy (2/2)

Dear friends,
We welcome today all our foreign guests while expressing a particular gratitude to the representatives of the countries that fought against Nazism and Japanese militarism.
Besides the Russian servicemen, parade units of ten other states will march through the Red Square as well. These include soldiers from Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan. Their forefathers fought shoulder to shoulder both at the front and in the rear.
These also include servicemen from China, which, just like the Soviet Union, lost many millions of people in this war. China was also the main front in the fight against militarism in Asia.
Indian soldiers fought courageously against the Nazis as well.
Serbian troops also offered strong and relentless resistance to the fascists.
Throughout the war our country received strong support from Mongolia.
These parade ranks include grandsons and great-grandsons of the war generation. The Victory Day is our common holiday. The Great Patriotic War was in fact the battle for the future of the entire humanity.
Our fathers and grandfathers lived through unbearable sufferings, hardships and losses. They worked till exhaustion, at the limit of human capacity. They fought even unto death. They proved the example of honour and true patriotism.
We pay tribute to all those who fought to the bitter for every street, every house and every frontier of our Motherland. We bow to those who perished in severe battles near Moscow and Stalingrad, at the Kursk Bulge and on the Dnieper.
We bow to those who died from famine and cold in the unconquered Leningrad, to those who were tortured to death in concentration camps, in captivity and under occupation.
We bow in loving memory of sons, daughters, fathers, mothers, grandfathers, husbands, wives, brothers, sisters, comrades-in-arms, relatives and friends – all those who never came back from war, all those who are no longer with us.
A minute of silence is announced.

Minute of silence.

Dear veterans,
You are the main heroes of the Great Victory Day. Your feat predestined peace and decent life for many generations. It made it possible for them to create and move forward fearlessly.
And today your children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren live up to the highest standards that you set. They work for the sake of their country's present and future. They serve their Fatherland with devotion. They respond to complex challenges of the time with honour. They guarantee the successful development, might and prosperity of our Motherland, our Russia!
Long live the victorious people!
Happy holiday!
Congratulations on the Victory Day!
Hooray!

Kaiama 10 May 2015 07:20

Read and Enjoy... (1/2)

Fellow citizens of Russia,
Dear veterans,
Distinguished guests,
Comrade soldiers and seamen, sergeants and sergeant majors, midshipmen and warrant officers, Comrade officers, generals and admirals,
I congratulate you all on the 70th Anniversary of Victory in the Great Patriotic War!
Today, when we mark this sacred anniversary, we once again appreciate the enormous scale of Victory over Nazism. We are proud that it was our fathers and grandfathers who succeeded in prevailing over, smashing and destroying that dark force.
Hitler's reckless adventure became a tough lesson for the entire world community. At that time, in the 1930s, the enlightened Europe failed to see the deadly threat in the Nazi ideology.
Today, seventy years later, the history calls again to our wisdom and vigilance. We must not forget that the ideas of racial supremacy and exclusiveness had provoked the bloodiest war ever. The war affected almost 80 percent of the world population. Many European nations were enslaved and occupied.
The Soviet Union bore the brunt of the enemy's attacks. The elite Nazi forces were brought to bear on it. All their military power was concentrated against it. And all major decisive battles of World War II, in terms of military power and equipment involved, had been waged there.
And it is no surprise that it was the Red Army that, by taking Berlin in a crushing attack, hit the final blow to Hitler's Germany finishing the war.
Our entire multi-ethnic nation rose to fight for our Motherland's freedom. Everyone bore the severe burden of the war. Together, our people made an immortal exploit to save the country. They predetermined the outcome of World War II. They liberated European nations from the Nazis.
Veterans of the Great Patriotic War, wherever they live today, should know that here, in Russia, we highly value their fortitude, courage and dedication to frontline brotherhood.
Dear friends,
The Great Victory will always remain a heroic pinnacle in the history of our country. But we also pay tribute to our allies in the anti-Hitler coalition.
We are grateful to the peoples of Great Britain, France and the United States of America for their contribution to the Victory. We are thankful to the anti-fascists of various countries who selflessly fought the enemy as guerrillas and members of the underground resistance, including in Germany itself.
We remember the historical meeting on the Elbe, and the trust and unity that became our common legacy and an example of unification of peoples – for the sake of peace and stability.
It is precisely these values that became the foundation of the post-war world order. The United Nations came into existence. And the system of the modern international law has emerged.
These institutions have proved in practice their effectiveness in resolving disputes and conflicts.
However, in the last decades, the basic principles of international cooperation have come to be increasingly ignored. These are the principles that have been hard won by mankind as a result of the ordeal of the war.
We saw attempts to establish a unipolar world. We see the strong-arm block thinking gaining momentum. All that undermines sustainable global development.
The creation of a system of equal security for all states should become our common task. Such system should be an adequate match to modern threats, and it should rest on a regional and global non-block basis. Only then will we be able to ensure peace and tranquility on the planet.

Manolo Torres -> dyst1111 10 May 2015 07:19

Lets see the other side as well then:

Huge trade, far bigger, just the investment of GM in Nazi Germany was 25% of the total amount their trade with the Soviet Union, if we add Standard Oil and Ford it will probably be already much more, and we are not throwing in the bankers that are the ones that made the most profit.

Then we have the Royals that attended Nazi parties and married Nazis and even conspired against Britain with the Nazis.

Then we have France and Britain giving Hitler (and the Polish) parts of Czechoslovakia. Talking about congratulatory letters we know about one from British deputy prime minister:

"Herr Chancellor, on behalf of the British Government I congratulate you on crushing communism in Germany and standing as a bulwark against Russia" (1a)

- Lord Halifax then British Deputy Prime Minister (later Foreign Secretary) addressing Adolf Hitler, November 1937.

Standupwoman 10 May 2015 07:17

I'm having a hard time believing both the tone of this article and the venom in some of the comments. On Russia's own Victory Day? Really? Are we sunk as low as that?

The only excuse I can find is that maybe some people simply don't know what this day really represents. This piece in The Hill, for example, actually states:

The Soviet victory in World War II - also known as the "Great Patriotic War" in Russia - can in terms of mythological importance be compared to D-Day for Americans

OK, this might be an unusually crass and insensitive writer, but could anybody with even a smattering of education make such a comparison? How could the events of one day in which 2,500 Americans died conceivably equate to the events of four years in which 27 million Soviet citizens were killed - nearly 14 million of them Russian? We know how Americans feel about 9/11, but even if they'd suffered a new 9/11 every day for four years, it would still be less than half what was done to Russia.

Even the British struggle to comprehend that degree of loss. We too suffered from Nazi attack, we too saw women and children killed in their own homes, we too saw our great cities pulverized and our history smashed - like Coventry Cathedral, for a start. But the German army never set foot here, because we were saved by the English Channel, the best airforce in the world - and the fact that the Russians held out long enough to turn the tide.

No-one in the West can really imagine what Russia went through, and there isn't space to say it here. Do some reading - or better still, watch the BBC's 'The World at War' and 'Nazis: A Warning from History'. The latter programme even interviews a former German soldier who describes how they treated the 'sub-human Slavs' of their occupied territories - 'We'd kill the children first in front of their mothers, and then the mothers.' Imagine it. Try. Imagine the desperate courage of that defence, at Moscow, Leningrad and Stalingrad. Look again at the Victory Day footage, and note how young some of the veterans are - because even children took part in the sieges of their homes. At Sevastopol in 2011 I met one woman who'd been throwing Molotov cocktails against German tanks when she was seven years old.

And they won. The tide was turned before the Americans even joined, and the momentous Battle of Kursk for the first time put the Germans on the run. Yes, we retook France and Italy, but it was the Red Army who drove the Germans back from the East all the way to Berlin. Britain has many victories of which she can be rightfully proud, but none on the scale of that one. No-one has.

Of course they celebrate it - and so should we. Politics should never be allowed to rewrite history, and I'm utterly ashamed that my country chose this day to insult 27 million dead. God bless Russia, and I hope and pray they can forgive us some day. I'm not sure I ever can.

Debreceni -> jezzam 10 May 2015 07:11

What is the connection? There was apartheid in the American South in the 1930s and 1940s. Sill, you do not question or try to trivialize American contribution to the victory over Japan or Nazi Germany.

The debate about dictatorhip, politial oppresion belong to a different page. You do not go to a funeral to bring up the widow's past.


AlfredHerring veloboldie 10 May 2015 07:11

If only Truman listened to Patton,

Yep, we could have liberated Moscow within 6 months. Easy, just cut off all the lend lease crap and drop the big one on Moscow during that stupid parade of German prisoners that Stalin was watching and the whole thing would have been ripe for free elections. Thanks to the war a 'well regulated militia' was already in place, just would have had to hunt down those NKVD motherfuckers.


Hants13 sztubacki 10 May 2015 07:10

How many dictators do you know that are happily united in many multi-polar relationships with like minded nations?

Over 85% of the people of Russia support their leader and Government and these are a few reasons why:

Russia was bankrupt in 2000, when Putin first came to power. Since then:

He sorted out the oligarchs.
The average Russian lives an additional ten years since 2000.
There is a rise in the middle class sector.
Russia is now a creditor nation.
Christian Orthodox Russia paid off the $45 billion debt of the Communist Soviet Union (including when the Bolsheviks and Lenin overthrew the Russian Empire).
Russia paid off the $16.5 billion RF debt.
Russia has the 12th largest currency reserves (around $420,000,000,000)
Russia has the 5th largest gold reserves and can almost back the ruble with gold, rather than printers and paper.
Russia has minimal debt (11% GDP Debt)
Russia has control of her vast wealth of natural resources.

How is the West, up until 2019 going to pay for Russian gas? Rubles or gold. After that, there are no contract with EU countries and much of the Russian gas will be going to China and no doubt India.

No wonder Russia loves their President and his cabinet. Can any other Western Nation and the USA say the same?


Mungobel samanthajsutton 10 May 2015 07:01

I fully agree that the UK's failure to join in honouring the memory of the millions of Russians and other Soviet citizens who lost their lives in the struggle to resist the Nazi onslaught in WWII was a shaming thing. Worse still, while the Russians and others were preparing to celebrate the hard won end to that war, the UK joined with it's NATO friends in playing US-led war games on Russia's doorstep - as if intent on provoking yet another blood-letting across the globe.


Reco1234 Hants13 10 May 2015 07:00

The Jewish doctrine of Marxism rejects the aristocratic principle of Nature and replaces the eternal privilege of power and strength by the mass of numbers and their dead weight. Thus it denies the value of personality in man, contests the significance of nationality and race, and thereby withdraws from humanity the premise of its existence and its culture. As a foundation of the universe, this doctrine would bring about the end of any order intellectually conceivable to man. And as, in this greatest of all recognizable organisms, the result of an application of such a law could only be chaos, on earth it could only be destruction for the inhabitants of this planet.

-Adolf Hitler: Mein Kampf

Hmmm, Hitler was a fan of the ideology of Karl Marx........nice one, moron.


Hants13 MentalToo 10 May 2015 07:00

You are aware that the Ukrainian Krushchev took Crimea from Russia in 1954?

Using international law and self determination, the people of Crimea voted to return home to Russia in 2014. Aided by the words of the Ukrainian Presidential Candidates and what they wished to do to the 8,000,000 Russian speaking citizens of Ukraine. Eastern Ukraine did the same, but not to be ruled by Ukraine.

The argument is explained in the 1970 United Nations Report, Self Determination and Territorial Integrity. In fact NATO used the same argument in their final report, Kosovo in an International Perspective: Self Determination, Territorial Integrity and the NATO Interpretation. Then if you study the foundations of the United Nations Charter, it was based around self determination.

By the way, Russia leased Sevestopol (which NATO wanted) at a substantial cost and owing to the agreement, they were allowed 25,000 serving members of the military (no specifics on ranks, grades or trades). At the time that the people of Crimea voted to return home to Russia, there were only 20,000 out of the 25,000 little green men in Crimea.

plumrose799999 10 May 2015 06:59

The Observer(one of limited vision) is so obsessed with its Putin prodding that it fails to acknowledge Russia's part in winning the war which might not have been won by our side had it not been for the Russian people.

I don't know whether Putin is as bad as the western media make out but thankfully their is one leader left in the world who is still capable of standing up to the USA and dictorial colonist aspirations.


Liberator37 10 May 2015 06:57

Without for a moment endorsing its bloodthirsty liquidation of more helpless civilians than Hitler killed, Eric Margolis has a crackerjack and fact-filled article out today in praise of the Soviet contribution to the WW-II victory. The Western boycott of Putin's celebrations is downright churlish.


BunglyPete 10 May 2015 06:50

Lets go back 31 years to 1984.

RFE/RL was broadcasting into the USSR, what one of the most anti Russian US officials in history, Richard Pipes, called "blatant anti semitic propaganda".

His concerns, which were echoed by other US officials, were based upon an RFE/RL report that painted the Ukrainian nationalists that fought alongside Hitler in a good light.

Fast forward to 1984, sorry I mean 2015, and those messages are now reproduced in the Guardian and are enshrined in Ukrainian law and celebrations.

If Richard Pipes thought it was an issue, can't you see Russia's concern when it leads to the downfall of Ukraine?


MyFriendWillPay -> Amanda Katie Bromley 10 May 2015 06:48

It's clear that those who have criticised your comment have done so from a position of ignorance.

Operation Barbarossa, the German-led Blitzkrieg of 4 million men against the Soviet Union (SU), on 22 June 1941, was expected to bring SU defeat within weeks, which is why the Germans only stockpiled 2 months of supplies for the campaign, and even British Intelligence expected the SU to collapse within 8 - 10 weeks. However, within less than a month, the head of German Military Intelligence, Admiral Canaris, confided to a general on the eastern front that he could only see a "black outlook" for the war in the east. Even Goebells himself noted in diary entries in July 1941 of the allarming lack of progress towards victory.

By mid October 1941, the previously euphoric Vatican had decided that Germany would lose the war in the east, as had the Swiss Secret Service and other neutral intelligence agencies.

By the start of December 1941, with German forces less than 20 miles from the Kremlin, their campaign had ground to a halt due to troop exhaustion, the Russian winter and over-extended supply lines. Then, on 5 December 1941, the Soviets launched a massive attack that drove the Germans back 60 - 170 miles. Hitler then ordered the campaign to take Moscow delayed until the following Spring, although he then realised, apparently, that he would lose the war, and that was more than a year before the iconic Soviet victory at Stalingrad.

Two imprtant points can be drawn from the initial weeks of Operation Barbarossa. Firstly, the US material support in war was going to the German side until it became apparent that they would not win. Most supplies of vital material, such as oil and rubber, came from the US via Spain and Vichy France. For example, 44% of Germany's vital engine oil came from the US in July 1941, and this rose to 94% in September 1941. This means that, important as subsequent western supplies were to the SU's war effort, they started arriving after it was recognised that the SU would defeat Germany and her allies. It was a fundamental issue of resources - manpower as well as materiel - that the SU had, and Germany didn't.

Secondly, even accepting the destruction of Germany's heavy water facility, if Operation Barbarossa had succeded, Germany would have had four whole years to catch-up the US's possession of a few low-yield atomic bombs in August 1945. Taking Germany's rapid programme for the V1 & V2 rockets in the last months of the war as an example of her capability for technological development, few could seriously doubt her potential to produce the atomic bomb.

As someone who lost a father in the west and a grandfather in the east - both during WW2 - I try to view history objectively. And, in this case, I regard the boycot by western wartime allies of Russia's celebration of WW2 victory over fascism as very disappointing indeed.

[May 10, 2015] US and Russian Servicemen March Together in Belarus on V-Day

May 10, 2015 | ABC News
timepass a day ago
As the ringleader of the 'west' this really shows the US in poor light. While these stupid Western leaders were 'boycotting', it was Putin who showed class by acknowledging the role the 'west' played in defeating Hitler.
RADMIL

We should have had some representation there. I stand by what the russian soldier and airmen did in WWII. They achieved a lot. But it was a joint effort If the UK and US had not put pressure on Hitler from the west thing might have been different. Hitler was an idiot. Didn't let his Generals run things.

Roscoe Chait -> RADMIL a day ago

Russia must be acknowledged for the horrific sacrifice it made during WWII, where millions of its troops and civilians were killed by the Nazis. At the same time, we must also not forget that Russia was Hitler's ally at the beginning of the war.

Ruslan Moroz -> Roscoe Chait 20 hours ago

It wasn't just Russia, Belarus lost more people to this war then any other nation. Part of Belarus was part of Soviet Union back then of course...

Ernie -> Roscoe Chait a day ago

It was a non-aggression pact, not an alliance. The US would have done the same thing had it shared the same proximity to Germany. It is easy to criticize Russia being on another continent.

origion007 a day ago

1901 - sending troops to Colombia.
1902 - the invasion of Panama.
1904 - the invasion of Korea, Morocco and the Dominican Republic.
1905 - U.S. troops intervene in a revolution in Honduras.
1905 - the invasion of Mexico (the dictator Porfirio DMaz helped suppress the
rebellion).
1905 - the invasion of Korea.
1906 - the invasion of the Philippines, the suppression of the liberation
movement.
1906 - 1909 - U.S. troops are in Cuba during the elections.
1907 - the invasion of Nicaragua.
1907 - U.S. troops intervene in a revolution in the Dominican Republic
1907 - U.S. troops are involved in a war with Honduras, Nicaragua.
1908 - U.S. troops are in Panama during the elections.
1910 - Nicaragua. The United States sent military forces in Nicaragua and
organized anti-government conspiracy.
In 1910 was formed a junta of pro-American generals.
In the same year became president Estrada, but the following year he was
replaced by A. Diaz, supported by U.S. troops.
1911 - Americans landed in Honduras to support the rebellion led by former
President Manuel Bonnily against the legitimately elected President Miguel
Davila.
1911 - suppression of anti-American riots in the Philippines.
1911 - introduction of troops in China.
1912 - U.S. troops are in Havana (Cuba).
1912 - U.S. troops are in Panama during the elections.
1912 - U.S. troops in the invasion of Honduras.
1912-1933 - the occupation of Nicaragua. Nicaragua turned into a colony
monopoly "United Fruit Company" and other American companies.
In 1914, Washington signed an agreement by which the United States granted the
right to build an inter-oceanic canal in the territory of Nicaragua. In 1917 he
became president E. Chamorro, the United States has concluded with several new
agreements, which led to further enslave the country.
1914 - U.S. troops are in the Dominican Republic, the battle with insurgents in
Santa Domingo.
1914-1918 - A series of intrusions into Mexico.
1914-1934 - Haiti. After numerous uprisings America introduces its troops, the
occupation continues 19 years.
1916-1924 - 8-year-old occupation of the Dominican Republic.
1917-1933 - occupation of Cuba
1917-1918 - participation in the 1st World War.
1918-1922 - intervention in Russia. It was attended by just 14 countries.
1918-1920 - Panama. After the election, introduced troops to quell the unrest.
1919 - COSTA RICA. U.S. Troops ... to "protect American interests".
1919 - U.S. troops fighting on the side of Italy against Serbs in Dolmatov.
1919 - American troops are in Honduras during the elections.
1920 - Guatemala. 2-week intervention.
1921 - U.S. support for the rebels who fought to overthrow the Guatemalan
president Carlos Herrera to benefit the United Fruit Company.
1922 - intervention in Turkey.
1922-1927 - U.S. forces in China during the popular uprising.
1924-1925 - Honduras. Troops invaded the country during the elections.
1925 - Panama. American forces dispersed a general strike.
1926 - Nicaragua. Invasion.
1927-1934 - all over China - U.S. troops.
1932 - invasion of Salvador.
1937 - Nicaragua. With U.S. troops dictator Somoza comes to power, displacing
the legitimate government of Hamid Sacasa.
1939 - The introduction of troops in China.
1947-1949 - Greece. Suppression of anti-fascist movement.
1948-1953 - military action in the Philippines.
1950 - uprising in Puerto Rico suppressed by U.S. troops.
1950-1953 - armed intervention in Korea
1958 - Lebanon. Occupation of the country, the fight against the rebels.
1958 - confrontation with Panama.
1959 - America invades Laos, begin the first clashes of American troops in
Vietnam.
1959 - Haiti. Suppression of the popular uprising against the pro-American
government.
1960 - after Jose Maria Velasco was elected president of Ecuador and refused to
comply with U.S. demands to cut ties with Cuba, Americans spent several
military operations and organize a coup.
1960 - U.S. troops are in Guatemala to prevent removal from power U.S. puppets.
1965-1973 - military aggression against Vietnam.
1966 - Guatemala. ... U.S. troops entered the country, were arranged massacres
of Indians, who were considered potential rebels.
1966 - military assistance pro-American governments of Indonesia and the
Philippines.
1971-1973 - the bombing of Laos.
1972 - Nicaragua. American troops are introduced in order to support the
government, favorable to Washington.
1983 - The military intervention in Grenada, about 2 thousand marines.
1986 - The attack on Libya. The bombing of Tripoli and Benghazi.
1988 - the invasion of American troops in Honduras
1989 - American troops suppress unrest in the Virgin Islands.
1991 - large-scale military action against Iraq
1992-1994 - the occupation of Somalia. Armed violence against the civilian
population, the killing of civilians.
1998 - Sudan. Americans consume missile strike pharmaceutical plant, claiming
that it produces nerve gas.
1999 - U.S. and NATO launched a campaign of the 78-day aerial bombardment of
Yugoslavia.
2001 - the invasion of Afghanistan.
2003 - bombing of Iraq.
2011 - Libya.

[May 09, 2015] Why Is the US Failing to Honor Russia's Victory Day Anniversary by Martin Sieff

May 09, 2015 | The Nation

Instead of honoring shared sacrifice in the fight against the Nazis, the president has taken another cheap shot at Russia over Ukraine.

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These spiteful and petty acts, enthusiastically embraced by American neoliberals and neoconservatives alike, can only further embitter Russians against the West. And the campaign is doomed to fail anyway. It will certainly not "isolate" Russia, which is playing host this weekend to powerful leaders from around the globe, including China, India, Brazil, and South Africa. More than one-third of the total population of the world will be represented at the events.

A generous acknowledgement of the leading Soviet role in the victory of 1945 should have served as a reminder of how much the United States and the Soviet Union were able to accomplish together in their joint triumph over fascism. And it would have reminded us how vital it is for the two nations to continue to work together as partners in the fight against terrorism, transnational crime, drug trafficking, sexual slavery, climate change and nuclear proliferation.

To honor this great and solemn anniversary is simply the right thing to do-historically, morally and politically. The total number of Soviet military and civilian deaths, 27.5 million, was more than twice the death toll of all Americans, Britons, Commonwealth, French, and even Germans killed in the war combined. That is why Victory Day remains the most sacred public holiday of the year in Russia, and why it is equally revered in many of the former Soviet republics.

The Russian people and their allies paid the colossal price in lives and blood that victory in World War II required. To dishonor their memory is disgraceful.

Read Next: How America misremembers Russia's central role in World War II

[May 09, 2015] Vladimir Putin: US trying to create 'unipolar world' by Damien Gayle

May 09, 2015 | The Guardian

Vladimir Putin has used an address commemorating the 70th anniversary of victory over Nazi Germany to accuse the US of attempting to dominate the world.

Speaking at Moscow's annual Victory Day parade in Red Square, which this year has been boycotted by western leaders over the continuing crisis in Ukraine, the Russian president berated Washington for "attempts to create a unipolar world".

Putin said despite the importance of international cooperation, "in the past decades we have seen attempts to create a unipolar world". That phrase is often used by Russia to criticise the US for purportedly attempting to dominate world affairs.

The US president, Barack Obama, has snubbed the festivities, as have the leaders of Russia's other key second world war allies, Britain and France, leaving Putin to mark the day in the company of the leaders of China, Cuba and Venezuela.

The German chancellor, Angela Merkel, has likewise ducked out of attending the parade but will fly to Moscow on Sunday to lay a wreath at the grave of the Unknown Soldier and meet the Russian president.

As western sanctions on Russia over its actions in Ukraine continue to bite, Moscow has increasingly appeared to pivot away from Europe and focus more on developing relations with China. The Chinese leader, Xi Jinping, will be the most high-profile guests on the podium next to Putin. Other presidents in attendance include India's Pranab Mukherjee, president Abdel Fatah al-Sisi of Egypt, Raúl Castro of Cuba, Nicolás Maduro of Venezuela, Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe and Jacob Zuma of South Africa.

Russia used the parade to show off its latest military technology, including the Armata tank, in the parade, which included 16,000 troops and a long convoy of weapons dating from the second world war to the present day. Also on show for the first time was a RS-24 Yars ICBM launcher, which Moscow has said described as a response to US and Nato anti-missile systems.

The celebrations stand in contrast to the festivities a decade ago, when Putin hosted the leaders of the United States, France, Germany, Italy and Japan.

The Soviet Union lost about 27 million soldiers and civilians in what it calls the "great patriotic war" – more than any other country – and the Red Army's triumph remains an enormous source of national pride.

On Saturday morning, many Muscovites sported garrison caps and black and orange striped ribbons that have become a symbol of patriotism in recent years. More than 70% of Russians say a close family member was killed or went missing during the war, making Victory Day an emotional symbol of unity for the nation.

In recent years, victory in what Russians see as a 1941-1945 conflict has been raised to cult status and critics accuse Putin of seeking to co-opt the country's history to boost his personal power.

The Kremlin has also used second world war narratives to rally support for its current political agenda, for example painting the Ukrainian government as Nazi sympathisers.

Later in the day around 200,000 people were expected to march through Red Square with portraits of relatives who fought in the war, in a Kremlin-backed campaign dubbed the "immortal regiment".

The parade will also see more than 100 military planes – including long-range nuclear bombers swoop over Moscow in a spectacular flyby.

Smaller parades in 25 other cities will involve 25,000 soldiers and even nuclear submarines, according to the defence ministry.

[May 09, 2015] Putin Celebrates 70th Anniversary Of Victory Over Hitler, Warns Of Dangers From Unipolar World

May 09, 2015 | Zero Hedge

Putin Celebrates 70th Anniversary Of Victory Over Hitler, Warns Of Dangers From Unipolar World

Below is the transcript of the speech given by Vladimir Putin at the military parade on Red Square in Moscow to mark the 70th anniversary of Russia's victory in the 1941–1945 "Great Patriotic War."

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Via the Kremlin:

Fellow citizens of Russia,

Dear veterans,

Distinguished guests,

Comrade soldiers and seamen, sergeants and sergeant majors, midshipmen and warrant officers,

Comrade officers, generals and admirals,

I congratulate you all on the 70th Anniversary of Victory in the Great Patriotic War!

Today, when we mark this sacred anniversary, we once again appreciate the enormous scale of Victory over Nazism. We are proud that it was our fathers and grandfathers who succeeded in prevailing over, smashing and destroying that dark force.

Hitler's reckless adventure became a tough lesson for the entire world community. At that time, in the 1930s, the enlightened Europe failed to see the deadly threat in the Nazi ideology.

Today, seventy years later, the history calls again to our wisdom and vigilance. We must not forget that the ideas of racial supremacy and exclusiveness had provoked the bloodiest war ever. The war affected almost 80 percent of the world population. Many European nations were enslaved and occupied.

The Soviet Union bore the brunt of the enemy's attacks. The elite Nazi forces were brought to bear on it. All their military power was concentrated against it. And all major decisive battles of World War II, in terms of military power and equipment involved, had been waged there.

And it is no surprise that it was the Red Army that, by taking Berlin in a crushing attack, hit the final blow to Hitler's Germany finishing the war.

Our entire multi-ethnic nation rose to fight for our Motherland's freedom. Everyone bore the severe burden of the war. Together, our people made an immortal exploit to save the country. They predetermined the outcome of World War II. They liberated European nations from the Nazis.

Veterans of the Great Patriotic War, wherever they live today, should know that here, in Russia, we highly value their fortitude, courage and dedication to frontline brotherhood.

Dear friends,

The Great Victory will always remain a heroic pinnacle in the history of our country. But we also pay tribute to our allies in the anti-Hitler coalition.

We are grateful to the peoples of Great Britain, France and the United States of America for their contribution to the Victory. We are thankful to the anti-fascists of various countries who selflessly fought the enemy as guerrillas and members of the underground resistance, including in Germany itself.

We remember the historical meeting on the Elbe, and the trust and unity that became our common legacy and an example of unification of peoples – for the sake of peace and stability.

It is precisely these values that became the foundation of the post-war world order. The United Nations came into existence. And the system of the modern international law has emerged.

These institutions have proved in practice their effectiveness in resolving disputes and conflicts.

However, in the last decades, the basic principles of international cooperation have come to be increasingly ignored. These are the principles that have been hard won by mankind as a result of the ordeal of the war.

We saw attempts to establish a unipolar world. We see the strong-arm block thinking gaining momentum. All that undermines sustainable global development.

The creation of a system of equal security for all states should become our common task. Such system should be an adequate match to modern threats, and it should rest on a regional and global non-block basis. Only then will we be able to ensure peace and tranquillity on the planet.

Dear friends,

We welcome today all our foreign guests while expressing a particular gratitude to the representatives of the countries that fought against Nazism and Japanese militarism.

Besides the Russian servicemen, parade units of ten other states will march through the Red Square as well. These include soldiers from Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan. Their forefathers fought shoulder to shoulder both at the front and in the rear.

These also include servicemen from China, which, just like the Soviet Union, lost many millions of people in this war. China was also the main front in the fight against militarism in Asia.

Indian soldiers fought courageously against the Nazis as well.

Serbian troops also offered strong and relentless resistance to the fascists.

Throughout the war our country received strong support from Mongolia.

These parade ranks include grandsons and great-grandsons of the war generation. The Victory Day is our common holiday. The Great Patriotic War was in fact the battle for the future of the entire humanity.

Our fathers and grandfathers lived through unbearable sufferings, hardships and losses. They worked till exhaustion, at the limit of human capacity. They fought even unto death. They proved the example of honour and true patriotism.

We pay tribute to all those who fought to the bitter for every street, every house and every frontier of our Motherland. We bow to those who perished in severe battles near Moscow and Stalingrad, at the Kursk Bulge and on the Dnieper.

We bow to those who died from famine and cold in the unconquered Leningrad, to those who were tortured to death in concentration camps, in captivity and under occupation.

We bow in loving memory of sons, daughters, fathers, mothers, grandfathers, husbands, wives, brothers, sisters, comrades-in-arms, relatives and friends – all those who never came back from war, all those who are no longer with us.

A minute of silence is announced.

Minute of silence.

Dear veterans,

You are the main heroes of the Great Victory Day. Your feat predestined peace and decent life for many generations. It made it possible for them to create and move forward fearlessly.

And today your children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren live up to the highest standards that you set. They work for the sake of their country's present and future. They serve their Fatherland with devotion. They respond to complex challenges of the time with honour. They guarantee the successful development, might and prosperity of our Motherland, our Russia!

Long live the victorious people!

Happy holiday!

Congratulations on the Victory Day!


Squid Viscous

any viewer of Speilberg's "Saving Ryan's Privates" should read this first:

http://ericmargolis.com/2015/05/stalins-soviet-union-defeated-germany-we-should-not-forget/

ZD1

Instead of recognizing the 70th anniversary, Obama traveled to Nike headquarters in Oregon on Friday to promote his Pacific trade agreement of which details are secret.

During his visit he displayed his struggles as an athlete by wearing mom jeans and by throwing like a girl...

http://freebeacon.com/blog/obamas-nike-visit-highlights-his-struggles-as...

The_Prisoner

Putin nails it

History repeating itself: "the enlightened Europe failed to see the deadly threat in the Nazi ideology."

Clear message to Europe to cast off its allegiance with the Empire.

Volkodav

Not what is called nazi nor certain muslims is the problem.

anyone can't see who is the pusher of this?

WillyGroper

>>>>>We are thankful to the anti-fascists of various countries who selflessly fought the enemy as guerrillas and members of the underground resistance, including in Germany itself.

That's fucking rich. He's part of it.

I have an Iraqi friend that told me when we invaded Iraq, Bremer stole all the farmers seed.

Who here knew that Abu GrabA$$ was the oldest seed bank in the world with the oldest strains of wheat?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69bLgOgbZVk

Goldilocks

HELLSTORM
The Biggest Cover-Up In History

Winston Churchill told Lord Robert Boothby:

Germany's most unforgivable crime before the Second World War was her attempt to extricate her economic power from the world's trading system and to create her own exchange mechanism which would deny world finance its opportunity to profit.

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The_Prisoner

The sponsors of both Bolshevism and Nazism lived in the USA since the late 19th century. How surprise would you be to find out they are the same people?

RMolineaux

Putin's eloquence matches that of Lincoln. Would that the west could produce a leader of equal perception, gravity and carisma!

[May 08, 2015] The Cold War Against Cuba Changed Us by Jacob G. Hornberger

[May 08, 2015] The latest political murder: Oleg Kalashnikov, former Parliament Deputy for Party of Regions.

May 15, 2015 | informationclearinghouse.info
Apr 16, 2015 | marknesop.wordpress.com

yalensis, April 16, 2015 at 3:15 am

Meanwhile, back in Banderaland, more info is coming out about the latest political murder. Oleg Kalashnikov, former Parliament Deputy for Party of Regions.
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According to the VZGLIAD piece, Kalashnikov was organizing and planning to hold some kind of march to celebrate the 70 anniversay Victory Day in Kiev. One of his relatives reported to the press, that he (Oleg) had received death threats in conjunction with these activities. He had also been threatened by SBU types.

During the time in the Rada (2006-2007) Oleg had made several important political enemies, including Julia Tymoshenko and Anatoly Gritsenko.

On the eve of his assassination, Kalashnikov wrote a letter to a friend, including the following words:
"Открытый геноцид инакомыслия, угрозы физического уничтожения и постоянные грязные оскорбления за открытый призыв к празднованию 70-летия Победы в Великой Отечественной войне стали нормой в оккупированной нацистами сегодняшней Украине, – писал Калашников. – Этот "подарок" я получил 13 апреля вместе с очередной порцией угроз и оскорблений", – говорится в письме.

TRANSLATION
"The open genocide of dissident thinking, threats of physical extermination, and the constant, dirty insults (directed at my) calls to celebrate the 70th Anniversay or Victory Day in the Great Patriotic War – these have become the norm in today's Ukraine, which is occupied by Nazis," Kalashnikov wrote. "This so-called 'gift" was received by me on 13 April…"
END OF TRANSLATION

By "gift" what Oleg meant was that, all of his personal demographic info, including his address, was published in the publication called "Mirotvorets" on April 13. "Mirotvorets" is a "resouce" which publishes all known info about separatists. This resource is under the purview of Anton Gerashchenko, one of the big-shots in the junta government.

Within a day of his data being published, Oleg Kalashnikov was gunned down and assassinated near his home.

The piece adds, intriguingly, that this "Mirotvorets" database of separatist info, is supposedly only accessible to Ukrainian Internal Police and SBU. Therefore, the implication is, that this was a government-sanctioned assassination of a political opponent.

yalensis , April 16, 2015 at 3:34 am
Continuing with more info from above piece (is a long article):

Kalashnikov had ended his letter with the following words:
"Маски сброшены! Нацизм со звериным оскалом жаждет крови, чтобы скрыть свои преступления против многострадального народа современной Украины!" – так заканчивает свое письмо Калашников.

TRANSLATION
"The masks are off! Nazism with its beastly grin, is thirsty for blood, and tries to hide its crimes against the long-suffering people of contemporary Ukraine."
END OF TRANSLATION

On the eve of his assassination, Kalashnikov's friends begged him to flee the country.
He said he could not, for 2 reasons: (1) He was an officer in the intelligence services, and (2) he could not in conscience leave his fellow-thinkers behind.

Political writer Vladimir Kornilov confirms, that Kalashnikov was very worried about all his personal, demographic data being published in "Mirotvorets", which he calls a "stool-pigeon rag".

A few months ago, back in January, Gerashchenko proudly presented his new plan of tracking political dissidents. In a separate comment, I will translate a bit (if I have time) of Gerashchenko's "presentation" of this totalitarian project for tracking and eliminating dissidents. For now, suffice that the title of Gerashcheno's "oeuvre" is called: "Gifts for Christmas: or Every Creature gets what he deserves".

Meanwhile Ukrainian totalitarian media are all over this too, the general tone being:
(1) Kalashnikov was an odious "Regional" who deserved to die; however
(2) It was probably his Russian "sponsors" who whacked him, maybe because he was about to spill some beans, or something like that….

Around the murder itself, some strange events:

Oleg was shot dead with 4 shots.
Oleg's wife heard the noise and rushed out, as husband was being gunned down.
She immediately called the police.
Within minutes, according to her, police from Internal Ministry were on the spot.
While this was going on, Oleg's daughter-in-law was suddenly mugged; somebody grabbed her purse, right there at the crime scene.

Pavlo Svolochenko , April 16, 2015 at 3:42 am
Likely as not the mugger was also the shooter.
yalensis , April 16, 2015 at 3:46 am
Here, by the way , is the site Mirotvorets. This is the site where you go if you are Ukrainian and want to denounce your neighbour as a separatist.

Just skimming through the site, one gets a glimpse into Gerashchenko (aka "Fat Bastard") sick Nazi mind. For example, scroll down a bit to see him bragging about collecting a database of 20,500 "individuals" (with more negative connotation than English equivalent).


Иначе этих нелюдей назвать не можем, поскольку именно они принесли беду в наш общий дом: изменники родины, сепаратисты, террористы и боевики, наемники российского происхождения, военные преступники из вооруженных сил РФ, а также пособники разных мастей всей этой нечисти.

TRANSLATION
We don't know what else to call these in-humans, since they have brought woe into our common home: traitors of the motherland, separatists, terrorists and militants, mercenaries of Russian origin, war criminals from the army of the Russian Federation, and also collaborators of various stripes of all this filth.
END OF TRANSLATION

The rest of the site has the same tone: all heavily anti-Russia and in your face, tone is basically that of some loud-mouth mobster bully.
Which is exactly what Gerashchenko is.

yalensis, April 16, 2015 at 3:58 am
Here is Mirotvorets post from March 16, pertaining to Crimean citizens:

В последнее время к нам неоднократно официально обращаются представители ряда государственных ведомств Украины с просьбой предоставить имеющуюся информацию об изменниках Родины, сепаратистах, пособниках российских оккупантов и боевиках НВФ, проживающих в настоящее время на временно оккупированной территории АР Крым (Украина). Учитывая эти просьбы, а также в полном соответствии с действующим Законодательством Украины, мы решили открыто разместить на сайте Центра "Миротворец" указанную информацию в форматах, удобных для интеграции в любые автоматизированные системы обработки. Данные представлены в формате CSV. С учетом постоянного накопления данных, список периодически будет обновляться. По состоянию на 16 марта 2015 года в Чистилище находится информация о более чем 7500 особей, большую часть из который представляют изменники Родины.

TRANSLATION
Recently we have been approached officially by representatives of a series of governmental authorities of Ukraine, with a request to present all the information we have pertaining to traitors of the motherland, separatists, collaborators with Russian occupiers, and fighters in illegal formations who dwell at the current time on the temporarily occupied territory of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea (Ukraine).
Taking into account these requests, and also in full accordance with existing legislation of Ukraine, we have decided to place on the "Mirotvorets" site the information indicated, in formats convenient for integration into any automated databases. The data is presented in the .CSV format [yalensis: ASCII text file with comma-separated fields]. Taking into account the continuous accumulation of data, the database will be refreshed periodically. As of 16 March 2015, in our database we have information on more than 7500 individuals, the major portion of whom are traitors to the motherland.
END OF TRANSLATION

yalensis: And now, in April, the database is up to 20K traitors.
All in their comma-delimited traitorous glory.

Pavlo Svolochenko, April 16, 2015 at 4:05 am
Writing in Russian of course.
marknesop , April 16, 2015 at 6:56 am
"Fighters in illegal formations", Dear God, you could scream. According to the Ukrainian constitution, all formations except for the state military and law enforcement are illegal. But only half-hearted attempts are made to "legalize" the volunteer battalions, which are not even paid by the government, or were not until Benny's bottomless purse flew away with him. And the ever-alert-for-illegal-behavior west which brought you the suggestion that Ukraine could ignore its debt to Russia as "odious debt" says not a word about Kiev's own making up what is legal as it goes along.
marknesop, April 16, 2015 at 6:52 am
It's like a caricature of reality, as if someone either not too imaginative or with the brilliant talent for mockery that results in films like "Springtime for Hitler" were making an educational film about the growth of fascism in a fertile society.

All this, I'm sure, contributes to Brussels' ambition to make a close partner and chum of Ukraine. It certainly displays European values. Of course, you never know how much they know and how much they are just pretending not to know.

cartman, April 16, 2015 at 8:59 am
"This is the site where you go if you are Ukrainian and want to denounce your neighbour as a separatist."

These are European values.

Does anyone remember the Stalinism for Android app, which allowed people to report and disappear their neighbors from their mobile phones?

PaulR, April 16, 2015 at 5:40 am
They seem to have moved on from politicians to journalists: 'Pro-Russian journalist killed in Kiev':
PaulR, April 16, 2015 at 6:11 am
More on this. Anton Gerashenko, senior advisor to the Interior Minister, is blaming it on the Russians: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/apr/16/pro-russia-journalist-shot-killed-ukraine-kiev-oles-buzyna
marknesop, April 16, 2015 at 7:55 am
"pro-Russia" and "Russia-leaning" and "Kremlin-friendly" are the new "nothing to see here; move along" in Ukrainian discourse. What a name that benighted nation is making for itself! I must confess – somewhat guiltily, because there is nothing funny about the desperate situation of ordinary Ukrainians – that I get a great deal of amusement over the west's continuing hamfisted attempt to portray this hellhole as a brave emerging country stumbling towards democracy. It is nothing of the kind – it is like some sort of college frat party spun out of control in which the most wicked and deviant of the population are allowed to fully indulge their secret fantasies.
marknesop, April 16, 2015 at 7:01 am
It seems you can kill just about anyone with impunity in the brave new Ukraine provided you put "pro-Russian" before their occupation. I am becoming steadily more supportive of all Ukraine except the southeast, without any source of income and crazy as a bedbug, going to the EU. They deserve to live cheek by jowl with their project and the result of their meddling.
PaulR, April 16, 2015 at 6:03 am
The 'Russian economy returns to growth' headline is actually a little misleading, because although the stock exchange and currency are up, it still seems as though GDP will decline this year. That said, the rise in the ruble will reduce inflation which will allow the Central Bank to cut interest rates, which should permit GDP to start rising again sooner than expected. So not all is rosy, but the Russian economy is looking much more resilient than critics had suggested.
marknesop, April 16, 2015 at 7:48 am
Yes, that's true – "stabilized" would have been more accurate. But I believe stability is going to look like growth in today's economic climate; countries that were struggling are going to be desperate, while those who were on shaky ground are going to have an increasingly hard time of it. And that's going to be without a coalition of the most prosperous countries all united in an effort to take them down. Russians have good reason to be more confident, because indeed the sanctions, long-term, are going to have hurt those who imposed them much more than those upon whom they were imposed.

Is there a video of your TV appearance? I'd like to see it. How did it go?

et Al, April 16, 2015 at 7:44 am
What has impressed me is how the bad news about western sanctions was handled. Rather than the usual "There's nothing to see. Move on!.", they explained the potential consequences, the reasons for it and most importantly of all, a reasonable time scale of when it should be over.

I also strongly suspect that they deliberately overplayed the figures of potential damage to the economy knowing that it would be highly unlikely that the figures would ever play out as such, the flip side being that any performance better than those figures is a victory.

On the one hand it gives a pyrrhic victory to the Pork Pie News Networks, western politicians and Russophobes for Russia to admit it will be significantly damaged and importantly allows Western states to claim they are taking tough and decisive action against Russia when they have not done so despite having multiple opportunities to do so – a very useful face saving exercise.

The sanctions could have been much, much worse.

So both sides get something. The West pretends to slap on draconian sanctions and swing its gigantic pot belly and balls aggressively to its own adoring congregation proving that they are indispensable and exceptional nations that the rest of the world should be modelled on, Russia plays the "I'm sexy and I know it" card to the rest of the world. Everyone is pleased.

[May 07, 2015] The Illegal Phone-Data Sweeps By THE EDITORIAL BOARD

May 07, 2015 | NYTimes.com

There is a lot to praise in the powerful ruling issued by a three-judge federal appeals panel in New York on Thursday, which held that the government's vast, continuing and, until recently, secret sweep of Americans' phone records is illegal.

But perhaps the most important message the unanimous decision sends is a simple one: Congress could not have intended to approve a program whose true scope almost no one outside the National Security Agency fully comprehended - that is, until Edward Snowden leaked its details to the world.

In the nearly two years since those revelations shocked America and started a heated debate on the proper balance of privacy and national security, the N.S.A., which conducts the data sweeps, has defended its actions by contending that Congress knew exactly what it was doing when it reauthorized the Patriot Act in 2010 and 2011, after the collection program had begun.

At issue before the appeals panel was Section 215 of the act, which permits the government to collect information that is "relevant" to terrorism investigations. But the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, at the urging of the N.S.A., has interpreted "relevant" so broadly that it gives the government essentially unlimited power to collect all phone and other types of data.

In fighting this lawsuit, brought by the American Civil Liberties Union immediately after the Snowden leaks, the government argued that Congress was apparently fine with this alarmingly broad interpretation.

The problem, as Judge Gerard Lynch of the Second Circuit Court of Appeals rightly pointed out in his 97-page opinion, is that "it is a far stretch to say that Congress was aware" of what the intelligence court was doing. To the contrary, Judge Lynch wrote, "knowledge of the program was intentionally kept to a minimum, both within Congress and among the public," and there was "no opportunity for broad discussion" about whether the court's interpretation was correct. Allowing the government to define "relevant" so loosely, he said, "would be an unprecedented contraction of the privacy expectations of all Americans."

It is particularly galling that the government cannot even point to evidence that any terrorist attack has been thwarted by the collection of all this data. But even if it could, the panel said, "we would expect such a momentous decision to be preceded by substantial debate, and expressed in unmistakable language."

For too long that debate did not happen, nor could it, since the intelligence court operated in near-total secrecy. Now, thanks to Mr. Snowden (who still lives in exile in Russia), the debate is well underway, and not a moment too soon, since Congress is debating reauthorization of Section 215, which is scheduled to expire on June 1.

Bipartisan bills in both houses would amend the law to cut back on domestic phone-data sweeps, but they do not address bulk collection of overseas calls, which could include information about Americans, and they do not establish an advocate to represent the public's interest before the intelligence court.

Without such an advocate, Judge Robert Sack wrote in a concurring opinion, the court "may be subject to the understandable suspicion that, hearing only from the government, it is likely to be strongly inclined to rule for the government."

Unfortunately, even modest reforms face resistance from top Republicans, including the Senate majority leader, Mitch McConnell, who on Thursday called for the law to be renewed without change. In doing so, they ignored a ruling that is the most important rebuke yet of the government's abuses under that law.


ScottW, is a trusted commenter Chapel Hill, NC 1 hour ago

We must never forget the government lied to us about spying on Americans before Snowden blew the whistle. Director of Intel James Clapper admitted he lied to the People when he testified under oath the NSA was not collecting data from American's calls. When he lied, Congress knew it, the President knew it and Clapper knew it.

Snowden exposed the lie and the government immediately indicted him while Obama expressed support for Clapper who lied to the public.

Why should we ever trust what the government tells us about surveillance programs? Why is James Clapper still receiving a taxpayer's check after lying to us? Why doesn't Pres. Obama get it -- you don't lie and get away with it?

Oh yah, Pres. Obama knew he was lying when he testified and was hoping he could get away with it.

Thank you Mr. Snowden for exposing the lies perpetrated on the public. In a just World, Clapper would be indicted and you would be welcomed home as a Patriot. But as you know first hand, we don't live in a just world.

Thank you Mr. Snowden for exposing the liars for who they are.

RC, is a trusted commenter MN 2 hours ago

Good editorial; the unconstitutional surveillance of all domestic communications, not just phone records, should now be addressed.

Holding the politicians who authorize and support unconstitutional surveillance accountable might help to end the massive wasting of taxpayer dollars on these inefficient activities, which diverts funds from more productive programs that would benefit the security of our country.

[May 03, 2015] The "Russian aggression" meme really follows in the footsteps of the "WMD" meme.

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Drutten May 1, 2015 at 2:14 pm

The "Russian aggression" meme really follows in the footsteps of the "WMD" meme.

You can easily see how it works, from the invention of a few buzzwords and/or phrases that are then repeated in nauseam, to the obedient media quickly following suit.

It strikes me as the highest level of irony that all the silly propaganda tactics they continuously and loudly accuse Russia of (and Russia is surely guilty of some of them), they employ themselves – ten fold.

It's like that ongoing BS about RT, its funding and penetration. All the data's there, and RT is simply dwarfed by its Western analogues, both in terms of finances and scale. Yet they keep raving about it, using bald-faced lies to support their tirades. Likewise, whatever bad journalism RT is guilty of (e.g. distorting events by omission to fit the agenda etc) they're again ten times worse.

And the big elephant in the room is Ukraine, a country highly relevant in this context as most of these things pertain to that particular crisis. Ukraine where things are so aggressive, oppressive and generally rotten that had it been any other country there'd be talk about some sorely needed B-52's raining democracy bombs over Kiev by now.

This kind of mindblowing hypocrisy, selective (deceptive) reporting and cynical agitation against whatever the "preferred target" happens to be today is nothing new, of course, but it never ceases to amaze me.

[May 03, 2015] US Goes Ballistic Over Ukraine as Both Sides There Wage Peace By William Boardman,

March 10, 2015 | readersupportednews.org

US and UK deploy troops to Ukraine, but they're just "advisors"

American combat troops deployed in Ukraine will soon number in the hundreds, at least, but US officials claim they're there only as "advisors" or "trainers," not as an in-place threat to Russia. Whatever advising or training they may do, they are also an in-place threat to Russia. US officials are also lobbying to arm Ukraine with "defensive" anti-tank rockets and other lethal weapons in hopes of escalating the fighting, maybe even killing some Russians. In other words, American brinksmanship continues to escalate slowly but recklessly on all fronts.

To the dismay of the Pentagon, the White House war crowd, and the rest of the American bloviating class of chickenhawk hardliners, the warring sides in Ukraine are disengaging and the ceasefire has almost arrived (March 7 was the first day with no casualties). The government in Kievand the would-be governments of the People's Republics of Donetsk and Luhansk have been acting as if they're not hell-bent on mutually assured destruction after all. They've exchanged prisoners. They've agreed to double the number of ceasefire monitors to 1,000. They've pulled back their heavy weapons. Both sides have stopped the random shelling that has caused "heavy civilian tolls of dead and wounded," according to theMarch 2 report from the UN High Commissioner on Human Rights.

The calmer heads of Europe, in Germany and France particularly, are presently prevailing over the fear-mongered countries closer to Russia who seem bewitched by US enthusiasm to subject Europe to yet another devastating war in which those near-Russia countries would be the first to feel the pain. But for now, most of Europe seems willing to accept the notion that the Russians have a rational view of their reasonable security needs, that the cost of further Russian advances outweighs any rational gain, and that all the mad babbling of bellicose Americans is just unprocessed cold war hysteria amplified by the need to deny decades of imperial defeats.

What is it with exceptional American irrationalists' love of war?

Still the manic American willingness to risk war with Russia, including nuclear war – over what, exactly? – keeps spinning out of Washington:

  • Ashton Carter, President Obama's choice as Secretary of Defense, assured senators during his confirmation hearing in February that he would push for more aggressive military action for the rest of Obama's term, that he favors lethal arms for Ukraine, and that he would not be pressured into faster release of innocent prisoners held in Guantanamo.
  • John Kerry, Secretary of State, advocated in early February in favor of sending arms to the Ukraine government. Since April 2014, Kerry has been demonizing Russia, blaming Russia for growing violence in eastern Ukraine even as Kiev militias were attacking the Donetsk and Luhansk separatists, calling them "terrorists." Kerry, the highest ranking American diplomat, recently and publicly accused the Russians of lying to his face.
  • James Clapper, director of national intelligence, has told the Council on Foreign Relations that he wants to give "lethal- defensive weapons" to the Kiev government to "bolster their resolve" and persuade them "that we're with them." Clapper was calling Russia one of the greatest threats to the US as early as 2011.
  • Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, jumped on the arm-Ukraine bandwagon March 3, saying "I think we should absolutely consider lethal aid." (He didn't add that the big danger of non-lethal aid is that it might help people settle differences without killing each other.)
  • Victoria Nuland, formerly security advisor to Dick Cheney, now an assistant secretary of state for European affairs, has long engaged in working for regime change in Russia. Nuland is famous for her "f-k the EU" attitude during the Maidan protests in 2014. On March 4 she became the first US official to call Russian actions in eastern Ukraine "an invasion." She claimed there were hundreds of Russian Tanks in eastern Ukraine, though no credible evidence supports the claim.

"NATO now exists to manage the risks created by its existence."

– Richard Sakwa, Frontline Ukraine

From the Russian perspective, NATO aggression has continued for the past 20 years. Secretary of State James Baker, under the first President Bush, explicitly promised the Russians that NATO would not expand eastward toward Russia. For the next two decades, at the behest of the US, NATO has expanded eastward to Russia's borders and put Ukrainian NATO membership in play. The unceasing madness of "US and NATO aggression in Ukraine" is argued forcefully by attorney Robert Roth in Counterpunch, who notes that US-sponsored sanctions on Russia are already, arguably, acts of war.

NATO continues to maintain nuclear weapons bases around Russia's periphery while adding more anti-missile missile installations. Anti-missile missiles to intercept Russian missiles are generally understood to be part of the West's nuclear first strike capability.

Then there's the months-old, expanding Operation Atlantic Resolve, an elaborate US-sponsored NATO show of force deploying thousands of troops to NATO countries that are also Russia's near-neighbors. Beginning in April 2014, Operation Atlantic Resolve started sending troops to Baltic countries (Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, and Poland) that border Russia. Those troops remain, and Defense News reported that more US saber-rattling is coming:

The US military's plans to send troops into Romania and Bulgaria as a deterrence to Russian aggression could expand to include Hungary, the Czech Republic and Russia's southern neighbor, Georgia…. by the end of the summer, you could very well see an operation that stretches from the Baltics all the way down to the Black Sea….

In the Black Sea itself, NATO forces continue to project force through "training exercises" involving the Navies of at least seven nations: US, Canada, Turkey, Germany, Italy, Romania, and Bulgaria. NATO commander Gen. Philip Breedlove complained in late February that Russia had deployed "air defense systems that reach nearly half of the Black Sea" – as if it were surprising that Russia would respond to hostile military activity close to one of its oldest and largest naval bases, Sevastopol, in Crimea. Breedlove admits that NATO naval forces have approached Crimea, provoking Russian naval responses. Breedlove's warmongering reportedly upsets German officials, but they don't object publicly to American lies.

This pattern of provocation and response is familiar to those who know the Viet-Nam War, when similar US tactics provoked the so-called "Tonkin Gulf incident." That manipulated set of events, deceitfully described by the White House and dishonestly amplified by most American media, was used to gull a credulous and lazy Congress into passing the Tonkin Gulf Resolution, giving the president authority to wage that disastrous, pointless war. Watch for the sequel coming to a Black Sea theatre of war near you.

Congress is as eager for Ukraine War as it was for Iraq and Viet-Nam

War mongering has a large, noisy cheering section in Congress. Eleven American lawmakers including House Speaker John Boehner have signeda bi-partisan letter to President Obama demanding in the shrillest tones ("defend against further aggression") that the US ship lethal arms to the Kiev government now. The eleven Congress members (8 predictable Republicans and three veteran, dimwit Democrats) write about Ukraine what they had never had the wit or courage to say about US aggression in Iraq. They assert with grotesque oversimplification and false premises about "the crisis in Ukraine" that:

It is a grotesque violation of International law, a challenge to the west, and an assault on the international order established at such great cost in the wake of World War II.

Fatuous warmongering. At the end of World War II, Crimea was indisputably part of Russia (within the USSR) and the anti-Russian military alliance of NATO did not exist, much less had it pushed its existential security threat to the Russian border. You want an all-out, unambiguous assault on international law, look to Iraq and all the "little Iraqs" that the American hegemon executes with impunity and nearly endless destructiveness to peace, order, and culture.

The weak-kneed Democrats mindlessly signing on to this reflexive Republican rage to kill someone are: Eliot Engel of New York (Westchester County), lawyer – first elected in 1988, he's been a strong supporter of violence in Palestine, Kosovo, and Iraq (voting for the war in 2002); Adam Smith of Washington (Seattle), lawyer – first elected 1997, he's supported violence in Afghanistan and Iraq (voting for the war in 2001) and he sponsored a bill to allow the US government to lie to the people; and Adam Schiff of California (Burbank), lawyer – he's supported violence in Palestine, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and Syria (voting for the Iraq war in 2002). "Bi-partisanship" is pretty meaningless when the imperial warmaking ideology is monolithic, as in this basic lie also in the Boehner letter:

We should not wait until Russian troops and their separatist proxies take Mariupol or Kharkiv before we act to bolster the Ukrainian government's ability to deter and defend against further aggression.

The core of this lie is those "separatist proxies." That's an Orwellian phrase used to turn the roughly 5 million residents of the Republics of Donetsk and Luhansk into un-persons. These 5 million people are predominantly Russian-speaking and ethnic-Russian. They have legitimate, longstanding grievances with Ukrainian-dominated governments in Kiev, especially with the current illegitimate one which is neo-Nazi-tinged and Russo-phobic.

It is important for these 5 million people seeking self-determination to disappear from the American argument for war sooner rather than later. The American war justifiers require "Russian aggression" as a crediblecasus belli, but the would-be war makers offer no credible evidence to support that propaganda claim ("Remember the Maine!").

The American news bubble distorts and excludes the world's realities

The blandly mindless media repetition of the phrase "Russian aggression" is a reliable measure of how much the news reports the government propaganda, at the expense of something like real world complexity. Dissenting voices are few in America's media world, and seldom heard, especially those who ask: "What aggression?"

Somehow, in the well-washed American collective brain, it's aggression when an oppressed minority declares its independence from its oppressors, the coup-installed Kiev government (and some of its predecessors). But that same scrubbed brain believes it's not aggression when another minority, aligned with foreign interests, carries out a violent overthrow of Ukraine's legitimately elected government.

Newsweek has demonized Russian president Vladimir Putin for months now, including on a cover with the headline "The Pariah" over a picture showing Putin in dark glasses that seem to reflect two nuclear explosions. (This imagery worked with deceitful perfection in 2002 when President Bush and Condoleezza Rice terrified audiences with the possibility that the "smoking gun would be a mushroom cloud.") Newsweek has even called for regime change in Russia. Newsweek is hardly alone in demonizing Putin without considering the realities of his situation. Others, like CNN, simply resort to calling him "completely mad," even though Russian actions have been largely measured and limited, especially when considered in the context of two decades of western provocation.

The New York Times got suckered by the Kiev government into running pictures "proving" Russian troops were in Ukraine, when they proved no such thing. This was not an anomaly among American media, according toRobert Parry in Consortium News:

At pivotal moments in the crisis, such as the Feb. 20, 2014 sniper fire that killed both police and protesters and the July 17, 2014 shoot-down of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 killing 298 passengers and crew, the U.S. political/media establishment has immediately pinned the blame on Yanukovych, the ethnic Russian rebels who are resisting his ouster, or Putin. Then, when evidence emerged going in the opposite direction – toward "our side" – a studied silence followed, allowing the earlier propaganda to stay in place as part of the preferred storyline.

When reality intrudes upon propaganda, reality must be discredited

In a somewhat mocking story about Russia's denunciation of US troops arriving in Ukraine as a threat to Russia security, the Los Angeles Timesgive roughly equal time to a NATO commander denouncing the Russian denunciation. The casual reader who stops halfway through the story is easily left with the impression that the Russians are behaving badly again and maybe sending lethal weapons is a good idea. Only in the last two paragraphs does the Times, quite unusually, report some real things that matter about Ukraine:

Ukraine, which proclaimed independence from the Soviet Union in 1991 as the communist-ruled federation was collapsing, had pledged to remain nonaligned, and in any case would need years to carry out reforms and assimilation of its armed forces with those of NATO before it could be inducted into the Western defense alliance.

But since the Russian-backed insurgency began ripping Ukraine apart, Kiev authorities have renounced the nonalignment pledge and set their course for eventual NATO membership.

The first of these two paragraphs is a partly reasonable explanation of why Russia would feel betrayed by the US and NATO. A nonaligned Ukraine remains an obvious possible alternative to the present conflict ignited by decades of NATO aggression.

The second paragraph serves as a warning, packaged as a justification based on a lie. The lie is that it's a Russian-backed insurgency that's ripping Ukraine apart, when Ukraine has been ripping itself apart for years, a reality that led to the coup-government in Kiev. The explanation – which is false – is that the insurgency has forced the Kiev government's hand, even though the government took power with EU and NATO links obviously in mind. The warning is that Ukraine may just join NATO as soon as it can.

Until Americans – and especially American policy makers – face fundamental realities in and about Ukraine, the risk that they will take the rest of us into an unjustified, stupid, and potentially catastrophic war will remain unacceptably high. One of the realities Americans need to face is that the Ukraine government is corrupt, as corrupt an some of the most corrupt governments in the world, and nothing the US has done is likely to change that any time soon. What any war would ultimately be about is: who gets to benefit from that corruption?

Ukrainians know this and despair as, for example, Lilia Bigeyeva, 55, a violinist and composer did when she told her family's storyfrom Dnipropetrovsk in central Ukraine:

I was born in Melitopol, raised in Zaporizhzhya, and have spent all of my adult life in Dnipropetrovsk. It hasn't been easy, this past year in Ukraine. The loss of Crimea is a tragedy, the war is a tragedy. And it's far from clear that our government and our people are really prepared to institute rule of law….

The war is very close to us, here in Dnipropetrovsk. Every day there's bad news. But we continue to play music, my pupils and I. Culture and art, these are the things that have always helped us through frightening times.

This was published in The Moscow Times on March 6, but it was originally recorded and distributed by Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty. In other words, there's no excuse, for anyone on any side, to say they didn't know what was happening to the Ukrainian people for the sake of geopolitical greed.

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Activista 2015-03-10 13:22

rt.com/op-edge/239205-baltic-states-us-military-troops/
NATO uses 'Russia threat' as excuse to halt defense cuts ...
these are make up threats to keep profit/militari sm/NATO going ...
EU does not want to pay 2% GDP to NATO ...
and US military expenditure and debt is growing ..
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures#mediaviewer/File:Top_ten_military_expenditures_in_$_in_2013.jpg.jpeg

jdd 2015-03-10 18:52

You have it backwards. While it may be less disturbing to believe that NATO exists merely to justify military spending, you have missed the point. NATO's was originally created as a military alliance against the Soviet Union, even though the Warsaw Pact was later dissolved, NATO was maintained and expanded to threaten and encircle Russia. Nuland, Carter and other believe that they can cause "regime change" in Russia, or alternatively win a "first strike" victory in a "limited nuclear war." Now, in response to the successful cease-fire, made possible by Putin's cooperation, we have EU Commissioner Juncker calling for an EU army to confront Russia. The response from a prominent Russian parliamentarian :

"In a nuclear age, extra armies do not provide any additional security. But they surely can play a provocative role...One should presume that a European army is seen as an addendum to NATO...never, even in the darkest days of the Cold War, had anyone dared to make such a proposal." If only it were merely about military spending.

and continue to provoke the Russians

lorenbliss 2015-03-11 02:13

If I did not know better, I would assume there is someone in the State Department channeling Hitler, someone in the Defense Department channeling Goering, someone at Homeland Security channeling Himmler and someone at the head of the media monopoly channeling Goebbels.

And in their resurrected madness -- exactly as in 1941 -- they are forgetting the lessons the Scythians taught the Persians and the Scythians' Russian descendants taught the Teutonic Knights, the Mongols and Bonaparte, not to mention the lessons Hitler, Goering, Himmler and Goebbels were themselves taught by the Russian "untermenschen."

Such are the darkest times in our species' history...

REDPILLED 2015-03-10 17:13

The 11th COMMANDMENT:

No nation shall DARE defy the United States and its Puppets by attempting to be truly independent! That right is reserved only for the God-chosen United States.

wantrealdemocracy 2015-03-10 20:06

Too bad the "God chosen United States" is not independent. Our nation is under the control of Israel. Israel wants this war against Russia, and all those wars in the Middle East, so that the Christians and Muslims will kill each other leaving Israel the winner. The state of Israel and the Zionists will then control the whole world. That is the 'New World Order' you have heard about.

arquebus 2015-03-10 17:20

NATO aggression? When you see NATO tanks rolling across the border in an armed attack against Russia, then come talk to me about aggression. Has not happened and is unlikely to happen.

What we really have here is Putin and the Russians paranoia and inability to get over the German invasion of 1940...something that happened 75 years ago.

skeeter 2015-03-10 19:07

Quoting arquebus:
NATO aggression? When you see NATO tanks rolling across the border in an armed attack against Russia, then come talk to me about aggression. Has not happened and is unlikely to happen.

What we really have here is Putin and the Russians paranoia and inability to get over the German invasion of 1940...something that happened 75 years ago.

Let's get real...the Europeans are threatening to bring Ukraine into NATO, a military alliance established and maintained to challenge the Soviet Union. No Russian leader in his right mind could stand by and let this happen. Imagine if the Soviets had approached Mexico or Canada a few years ago and tried to convince them to join the Warsaw Pact. The Russians paranoid...can you blame them?

Agricanto 2015-03-10 19:23

First I read the (very excellent) piece of journalism from people like William Boardman.

Then I "scroll to the troll" and give the predictable right wing doublethink a thumbs down.

Then I go to PayPal and give RSN 10bux all the while complaining that trolls don't pay to clog up important discussions on RSN. Penny a word from the troll factory is all I ask.

Merlin 2015-03-10 21:05

Agricanto 2015-03-10 19:23

Spot on and well said!

jsluka 2015-03-11 00:15

If Russian troops began to maneuver on the US border, like US troops (NATO) are now doing on the Russian border, the US would go "ballistic." That's called "hypocrisy," by the way.

MJnevetS 2015-03-13 14:52

"Russia already did that and invaded killed people and are feeding a false insurgency that is being dubbed freedom fighters .. they even shot down a domestic airliner in the summer flying over that territory over the UKraine from Amsterdam. don't you know the news even on this subject"

There is a sad lack of facts in these statements. NY Times had to retract the allegations of a 'Russian Invasion', as the evidence proved to be fabricated. The only 'false insurgency' was the coup initiated by the US and with regard to the shooting down of the commercial liner, show me one SINGLE piece of evidence that Russian backed rebels were involved. It was a false flag operation and when people demanded evidence over propaganda, the news story magically disappeared, as the evidence would show that it was a terrorist attack by the Nazis currently in control of Ukraine.

jdd 2015-03-11 08:15

When you "see NATO tanks rolling across the border in an armed attack against Russia" it will not be the time to converse with you, but rather then you may kiss your loved ones a final goodbye as that will be the beginning of a war of human extinction, all over within an hour.

Thank goodness for Putin and s few sane voices in the West who are trying to avoid ever getting to that point while others in the West, such as the Newland gang, seem hell-bent on making it happen.

Activista 2015-03-11 20:36

... see NATO bombers in Libya, Yugoslavia .. US troops in Kosovo US Sending 3,000 Troops To Latvia, Estonia ...
www.ibtimes.com/ukraine-crisis-us-sending-...
International Business Times
2 days ago - An Abrams main battle tank, for U.S. troops deployed in the Baltics as part of NATO's Operation Atlantic Resolve, left the port in Riga, Latvia ....

Trish42 2015-03-10 18:03

When will Americans ever get their collective head out of their ass and start looking at the world from others' points of view? We have gotten sucked into the propaganda about Ukraine, never checking other sources or verifying what we "know" to see if there was any evidence that would support our intervention. Sound familiar? We've got to get the war-mongers out of DC!!

Kev C 2015-03-10 21:19

Allow me to explain why they won't. Education. The entire system is based on US centric thinking and behaviour. There is limited information available about the rest of the world and what there is is painting the US as the God Given Saviour of humanity. Hell they won the war after all. Single handed. They saved the UKs ass by coming to our rescue didn't they? Not!

Until the vast majority of Really decent but hypnotized Americans get the real info they will continue to believe what they are told because there isn't really an alternative to the Faux news/MSN bullshit and the pre programmed education system. Its not the peoples fault. The system was rigged long before they were born.

dsepeczi 2015-03-11 09:38

Quoting Trish42:
When will Americans ever get their collective head out of their ass and start looking at the world from others' points of view? We have gotten sucked into the propaganda about Ukraine, never checking other sources or verifying what we "know" to see if there was any evidence that would support our intervention. Sound familiar? We've got to get the war-mongers out of DC!!
Sadly, I'm starting to believe the answer to your question is ... "Never". If Iraq wasn't a big enough, loud enough, and obvious enough mistake to wake up ALL Americans to the fact that our government lies to us and we should take everything they say with a grain of salt and request that they provide solid proof of their allegations against another nation ... I can't think of any event that will. :(

pbbrodie 2015-03-11 09:45

"get warmongers out of Washington."
Yes, especially the complete idiots who are making insane comments about "limited nuclear war." There is no such thing as limited nuclear war. Once one is exploded, it is all over.

Johnny 2015-03-10 18:15

How soon we forget. The U.S. must punish Russia, and, more importantly, divert the attention of Russia from the Middle East, because Russia has supported Syria, which is an obstacle to open war against Iran, because Iran arms Hezbollah, and the last time the Zionists invaded Lebanon, Hezbollah chased them out. Hezbollah is an obstacle to annexation of the whole area by Israel. And now that the Zionists smell the opportunity to induce the U.S. to attack Iran, they are creating another front on which Russia must try to defend itself and its allies. The U.S. Congress is not the only part of the U.S. government that Jewish supremacist banksters have bought, lock, stock, and barrel. (Before some asshole starts to howl about anti-Semitism, let him explain why we should not criticize other proponents of racism, such as white supremacists; Zionism, after all, is merely warmed over Nazism, with a different "chosen" people and different victims.)

dquandle 2015-03-10 20:05

In fact, the neo-nazis now in control in the US/NATO supported Ukraine have been blatantly anti-semitic for decades, having supported the Nazis at that time and are even more egregious now.

"For the first time since 1945, a neo-Nazi, openly anti-Semitic party controls key areas of state power in a European capital. No Western European leader has condemned this revival of fascism in the borderland through which Hitler's invading Nazis took millions of Russian lives. They were supported by the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA), responsible for the massacre of Jews and Russians they called "vermin". The UPA is the historical inspiration of the present-day Svoboda Party and its fellow-travelli ng Right Sector. Svoboda leader Oleh Tyahnybok has called for a purge of the "Moscow-Jewish mafia" and "other scum", including gays, feminists and those on the political left."

Taken from

http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/07/11/on-israel-ukraine-and-truth/

And these, fully supported and paid for supported by the ostensibly "Jewish" Nuland and Obama's heinous State Department.

See also e.g.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-hughes/the-neo-nazi-question-in_b_4938747.html

Radscal 2015-03-11 00:24

In addition to Ms. Nuland and her PNAC founding husband, Robert Kagan, two of the three Democrats cited by Mr. Boardman as signees on the "arm Ukraine" letter are Jewish. In fact, Congressman Engel is of Ukrainian Jewish ancestry.

As the "protests" in Ukraine grew in late 2013/early 2014, Ukrainian Jewish groups reported skyrocketing cases of anti-Semitic rhetoric and attacks. But those reports were buried by Zionist organizations who insisted that Russia was the real threat to Ukrainian Jews, not the frigging Nazis in Ukraine!

At first, this sort of thing confused me, before I realized it wasn't a Jew against Jew thing. This is Zionist fascists supporting Nazi fascists.

Vardoz 2015-03-10 22:23

Sorry it just boils down to profits and power and any excuse to wage endless war for profits period end of story.

L.S. 2015-03-10 20:06

I do not agree with these conclusions. I don't believe that the U.S. and U.K. are invested in military action. Those troops are advisors and instructors. This interpretation is very cynical and pessimistic and I don't buy it.

My background is International Relations and I am watching the chess pieces on the board and I challenge this interpretation and find it very unhelpful and in itself can be contributing towards War rather than supporting the diplomatic actions towards Peace.

Merlin 2015-03-10 21:02

L.S. 2015-03-10 20:06

So talk to me about the advisors that Eisenhower put in Viet Nam. Then talk to me about Kennedy expanding on their number. Then talk to me about the Viet Nam War.

You state:

"My background is International Relations and I am watching the chess pieces on the board and I challenge this interpretation"

I challenge YOU because either you a not what you claim or you sure did not learn very much.

Kev C 2015-03-10 21:24

If you don't see what is happening now then your a lousy chess player. Don't give up though. Practice makes perfect. However beware there are not many nations left that haven't been smeared then bombed by the US and we are running out nations and out of time before the US blow all our asses off the face of the planet for that self serving act of pathetic vanity which will be countersigned in hell with 'Property of The US Military.'

jsluka 2015-03-11 00:17

"Advisors and intructors" - Don't be naive. And what happens when some of them get killed? What is the likelihood or statistical probability of escalation after that? This is clearly provocative and dangerous and does absolutely nothing for "peace" or "security" of anyone.

Radscal 2015-03-11 00:27

L.S. "...I am watching the chess pieces on the board..."

Does your use of that analogy imply that you read Ziggy Brzezenski's 1998 book, "The Grand Chessboard," in which he explains why the U.S. must take control of Ukraine as key to controlling Eurasian resources, and ultimately to conquer Russia and China?

RODNOX 2015-03-11 05:14

history has shown the USA always has some underhanded agenda--some self serving plan---and often plays BOTH sides of the problem--just to escalate it----WHEN WILL WE STOP THEM ????? THIS IS TRULY THE 1 % IN ACTION--WE--THE PEOPLE ARE NOT THE PROBLEM

wrknight 2015-03-12 20:47

Quoting L.S.:
I do not agree with these conclusions. I don't believe that the U.S. and U.K. are invested in military action. Those troops are advisors and instructors.

Like the advisors the U.S. sent to South Vietnam in the 1950's.

Archie1954 2015-03-10 20:16

Exceptional, indispensable? More like irrational, despicable! What we need is for Putin to call up Obama and tell him point blank that if the US doesn't get the hell out of Ukraine, Russia will make it! If you don't think it can, think again!

jsluka 2015-03-11 00:20

I appreciate your emotion here, but that would be really really scary because I imagine the US would respond with even greater belligerance and "justify" it by saying "Putin is threatening us" - even though, ironically, it is the US that is doing all the threatening.

Vardoz 2015-03-10 21:17

It's more like war madmen then warmongers and it's all very frightening. Putin is crazy too and we have no right getting involved so that the Fuking military can make profits!!!! Enough!!!!! Our military is out of control with a suicidal war agenda and they don't care about the consequences or the collateral damage. It's just war all around, kick out the jams no matter how many die- they don't give a damn. Seemed like Germany was making some constructive headway and Merkel should tell the US where to go. This is all so dirty and obscene and wrong.

Radscal 2015-03-11 00:33

You do know that the U.S. was not even invited to the peace talks, right?

Similarly, it was EU members, Russia and then-president Yanukovych who signed the agreement with the Maidan Protest leaders on 2/21/14 in which Yanukovych acquiesced to every one of their demands.

That was when Vickie Nuland's "Fuck the EU" plan went into action and the neo-nazis stormed the government buildings, including the Parliament and drove about 2 dozen Members of Parliament and the President to flee for their lives.

And that, is why those who followed the events call it a "coup."

jdd 2015-03-11 07:28

The ceaae-fire came about because the "Normandy Four" excluded the US and UK, whose participation would have guaranteed failure. Now the efforts of all, but especially that of Putin have led to a fragile peace. The response from a disappointed Victoria Nuland crowd continues to speak of sending arms and "advisors" to Ukraine in order to throw gasoline on the embers.

dsepeczi 2015-03-11 08:21

Quoting ericlane:
Another moronic article. Who do you think was behind the peace deal?
Ummm. I believe the organizers of that peace deal were Europe, Ukraine and Russia. The US, wisely, was not invited to the table.

jsluka 2015-03-11 00:13

Is "US Goes Ballistic" a scary pun here? I.e., as in "nuclear armed ballistic missiles". Also, isn't that how it all started in the Vietnam War - with "advisors"? This is batcrap crazy, but then many people have now begun to realise that US politicians have become homocidally psychotic. It's "back to the future" and return of Dr. Strangelove.

[email protected] 2015-03-11 06:22

We have no business in Ukraine, we have no business antagonizing the Russians. We Slavs have been demonized, mocked and denigrated as imbeciles and barbarians by the West for centuries. Stay the hell away from us, already. We don't need to be like you.

Buddha 2015-03-11 17:10

"To the dismay of the Pentagon, the White House war crowd, and the rest of the American bloviating class of chickenhawk hardliners, the warring sides in Ukraine are disengaging and the ceasefire has almost arrived (March 7 was the first day with no casualties)."

John McCain's dick just got limp again. Oh well, there is always ISIS and Iran to try to stoke up WWIII, right Uncle Fester?

Kootenay Coyote 2015-03-16 10:12

"Until Americans, and especially American policy maker, face fundamental realities in and about Ukraine….". Or any fundamental realities, for that matter: cf. Global Warming. The nearest thing to reality that's considered is that of the weapon makers & warmongers, & that's pretty meagre.

[May 02, 2015] radio C-SPAN

Mar 10, 2015 | annbeaker
Listened on the way to work the record of the meeting of the Senate Committee on Ukraine and anti-Russia. First, the names of speakers and respondents. Kornblum, Kantor, Nudelman and joined them boy Bobby Corker and others have wives from Ukraine, they said. Second, Putin is such a chronic incarnation of Satan that he looks larger them even the whole country. Now there are even concepts in his name, for example - "Putin's economy", what a beast it is unclear, but in the minds of American senators it's definitely evil. And just a bad person who alone lives in seven rooms and actively that fact that the members of the Congress did not like one bit and expressed strong desire to move him to something with less rooms. the third is that those gentlemen with the German-Yiddish surnames discussed the entire countries and territories as if they were just deserts, forests and steppes. As if there no population on this territories, who may have their own views on the subject, distinct from opinion by Committee members. Fourth, in some moments of the meeting, reminded the congregation in the local synagogue, and sometimes the PTA meeting which analyzed the behavior of poor students.

Main memes and beliefs expressed at the meeting:

  1. Russia backward and unable to progress and development of the country.
  2. In Russia there is no infrastructure.
  3. Russia lives from the sale of oil and only.
  4. Russia is financing all and with all the oil revenue.
  5. Russia is very aggressive.
  6. She attacked Ukraine. The existence of civil war not only not denied, this concept is just not even considered by Committee members. That completely changes everything, not war within one nation, when brother rose up against brother, and external invasion of a neighbor!
  7. Russia is aggressive towards the Baltic States and the Baltic States should be armed.
  8. Tomorrow Russia will attack Estonia.
  9. America has vital interests in Ukraine.
  10. To return the Crimea to Ukraine is America's vital interests.
  11. Putin is enemy No. 1.

There were suggestions from the field. For example, start to give Ukraine the money for one billion dollars a year for three consecutive years. This money, Ukraine will buy weapons from the USA and defend against Putin. We must begin to arm Estonia and to send battalions because there is a lot of Russians and Putin's aggression will be the first thing sent to Estonia. This was repeated several times and in different ways. I.e. looks like you have already decided to arrange provocations in Estonia. As this is done, he starts revealing to cut Russian compactly living in Narva or Estonia will satisfy the invasion by type Saakashvilis, only where? In Narva? He then tried to attack South Ossetia which was legally in Georgia, but not inhabited by the same nationality as the rest of the country and there was revolt. In Estonia like no no revolt. But it is clear that the next for some expensive and stupid military supplies is Estonia. Funny, Yes?

[May 02, 2015] US Foreign Policymakers Cannot Be Trusted by Sheldon Richman,

April 23, 2015 | Antiwar.com

The megalomaniacs of the Washington power elite actually think they can mold the Middle East to their specifications. No calamity resulting from their clumsy machinations ever causes them to rethink this preposterous conceit.

Look at some of their more recent handiwork. In 2003, on the basis of shoddy intelligence if not conscious lies, President George W. Bush had the U.S. military overthrow Iraqi dictator (and former ally) Saddam Hussein, a Sunni Muslim whose secular regime discriminated against the Shia majority. With Saddam gone and his Ba'ath party dispersed, the Shiites inevitably assumed power, assisted by American forces that put down a Sunni insurgency and enabled Shiite militias to ethnically cleanse most of the capital, Baghdad. Millions were killed, injured, and displaced.

Next door, of course, is the Shiite Islamic Republic of Iran, which has been America's bête noir since 1979, when a revolution overthrew the U.S.-backed autocratic shah and militants held American hostages, 26 years after the CIA helped to oust a prime minister and restore the shah to power. Iraq under Saddam had also been Iran's enemy; he launched an eight-year war of aggression against the Islamic Republic in the 1980s, aided by the United States. (Among other assistance, US satellite intelligence helped Saddam wage chemical warfare against the Iranians.) In balance-of-power terms, Saddam was the counterforce that checked Iranian influence. But now Saddam's regime was gone.

One did not need to be an expert to know that Iran would benefit. Iraq's sectarian Shiite prime minister from 2006 to 2014, Nouri al-Maliki, was favored by Iran, as is his successor, Haider al-Abadi. Even Bush administration's original pick to lead post-Saddam Iraq, Ahmed Chalabi, had long been close to Iran.

So despite some 30 years of America's cold, covert, cyber, and proxy war against Iran, the Bush administration was indispensable in helping Iran gain greater influence in the Middle East.

This influence has grown even greater now with the rise of the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, which was a predictable consequence of Saddam's overthrow and sectarian Shiite rule, before which there was no Sunni al-Qaeda in Iraq, much less ISIS, its even more virulent offshoot. The Obama administration has assumed the lead in the effort to "degrade and destroy" ISIS, which is officially regarded as a "threat to the homeland," but Obama's method is largely confined to airpower, with only a small force on the ground. Most analysts believe that airpower alone will not suffice. The fight on the ground in Iraq is being handled by that country's Shiite army and an assortment of vengeful Shiite militias, making the Sunnis fearful of sectarian violence and even accepting of the brutal and intolerant ISIS. Who advises these forces? None other than Maj. Gen. Qasem Soleimani of the Iranian Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution and commander of the Quds Force, a division of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards. Soleimani reportedly is playing a major role in the current effort to retake Takrit, Saddam's hometown, from ISIS.

This objectively places the United States on the same side as Iran, but the Obama administration cannot acknowledge this without granting Iran prestige. Indeed, American and Israeli officials worry that the price of defeating ISIS will be a Middle East dominated by Iran as never before.

Of course, ISIS also controls territory in next-door Syria, which is ruled by Iran's ally Bashar al-Assad, a member of a minority Shiite sect whose regime is embroiled in a civil war. Obama has called for Assad's departure, but Assad is also fighting ISIS (as well as Syria's al-Qaeda franchise), putting him, too, objectively on America's side.

The question arising from this tangled tale is: What were the American and Israeli advocates of war with Iraq thinking back in 2003? Was their plan to build up Iranian influence in order to justify war and regime change? That would explain why advocates of the Iraq policy are trying to torpedo multilateral talks with Iran over its nonexistent nuclear weapons program. But war with Iran, which is much larger and more populous Iraq, would be a catastrophe.

In light of all this, should Americans trust their lives and well-being to the arrogant Washington power elite?

Sheldon Richman is a Research Fellow at The Independent Institute, which is based in Oakland, California.

[May 01, 2015] Джордж Фридман - о возведении КОРДОНА между Россией и Германией (2015) - YouTube

[May 01, 2015] George Friedman, Europe Destined for Conflict

Glib and unconvincing. Bu some interesting thought starting from minute 53 of the talk about modern version of "divide and conquered" strategy used by the USA.
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Published on Feb 4, 2015

The Chicago Council on Global Affairs and Stratfor founder and CEO George Friedman present a discussion on the emerging crisis in Europe.

[May 01, 2015] Flashpoints The Emerging Crisis in Europe George Friedman

Save your money - this is nothing but marketing fear to sell books (see Friedman's publishing history).
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"In this insightful examination of contemporary Europe, political scientist Friedman (Next Decade) challenges the view that the European Union and its neighbors have transcended the threat of violent conflict among nations….. By dispassionately anatomizing the fears, aspirations, and interests of the key players, particularly a resurgent and resentful Russia, Friedman vividly describes a region where memories are long, perceived vulnerabilities are everywhere, and major threats have emerged rapidly and unexpectedly many times before." --Publishers Weekly

S. PowerTOP 500 REVIEWER on January 12, 2015

Unsupported opinions that are interesting, thought provoking, and baseless and likely inaccurate

This book is full of unsupported opinions that are interesting, thought provoking, and baseless and likely inaccurate. It attempts to be a scholarly work, but lacks any of the research or academic rigor that is requisite for this type of book.

The book is mainly opinion and conjecture of one man, without much of substance to back his points up. Although lacking as an academic text, it is well written and a pretty enjoyable and thought provoking peace. I didn't hate it, but don't think that it will sell well at all.

Academics and financial analysts might enjoy reading it, but most won't because of its lack of research and rigor. No professor in her or his right mind would dare put this on their class text list. It is borderline fiction.

ByMark P. McDonald VINE VOICE on December 24, 2014

Disappointing in its limited and traditional analysis of the future of Europe

A one star review requires some explanation and hence this review. I sought out Flash Points in order to understand more about the forces, friction and future of Europe. Given George Friedman's credentials I had hoped to find new insight and ideas. I did not and hence the reason for the one star review.

Flashpoints seeks to answer three questions:

First, how did Europe achieve global domination, politically, militarily, economically and intellectually?

Second, what was the flaw in Europe that caused it to throw away this domination between 1914 and 1945?

Third, is the period of peace that followed 1945 what the future of Europe will look like, or will Europe return to its historical ways?

The book seeks to address these questions with a combination of personal observation, travelogue and historical re-interpretation. On the surface this is a recipe for an interesting and provocative book. However, the book produced rather standard answers to a set of engaging questions.

I found issues with Friedman's analysis framework limit its ability to work outside of the conventional geo-political box and produce analysis that goes beyond the normal memes of Russia protecting its boarders, Germany being economically strong but militarily weak, the French and their ability to live with ambiguity and Britain following the U.S. to curry favor and influence.

It assumes that nations are largely monolithic actors where all constituent groups share a common worldview. While Friedman recognizes the role of immigration, nationalities, the tension in Belgium, the majority of his framework assumes nation-states as the main actors on the world stage. While the actions of nation-states dominated Europe in the past, there are many more actors and leaders in Europe.

The framework does not include the role of corporations and non-state actors in the future of Europe. This omission is surprising given Friedman's focus on economic growth as the primary promise of the European Union. Companies are the primary unit of analysis in generating growth and jobs. Multinational companies are major actors in this area and they should be part of the future of Europe, as their decisions will impact employment, growth and wealth creation.

The framework ignores the role of technology in changing the social, political and economic future of Europe. While Friedman acknowledges the Arab spring, he does not carry the impact of technology into European society or its future. This is an interesting omission given the role of technology in shaping societal values, Europe's current tussle with U.S. based technology firms and the role of technology in future economic growth.

The book has a limited discussion on the role and responsibilities of extra-European actors including the U.S. and China. While the book makes the point that U.S. is the military guarantor of Western Europe, Friedman asserts that Europe will not be a primary area of interest for the U.S. going forward. China, a major player, is assumed to have no substantive role in the world's largest free market.

These challenges are understandable in a world driven by geography, nation states and historical politics. This is the Europe Friedman presents and for those accepting that view, this book provides a predictable set of conclusions and outcomes.

The first nine chapters largely contain a restatement of history, Freidman's personal family experience and observations that anyone who pays attention to Europe would already know. The new angle that Freidman does provide is offered in Chapter 4 when he discusses the logical implications of a rational analysis of humanity. I quote,

"A need for internal consistency mean that ideologies defined all aspects of thought, from the nature of marriage to what was beautiful in art to how steel aught to be smelted. If you begin with a set of core principles and applied them ruthlessly to all things, then everything could be explained and all actions defined." Page 67.

Friedman completes his analysis with a rather interesting conclusion for the future of Europe in the following excerpts from the last two pages in the book:

"Today, Europeans desire to possess everything at no cost. … They want to be one people, but they do not want to share each other's fate. They want to speak their own language, but they don't believe that this will be a bar to complete mutual understanding. They want to triumph, but they don't want to risk. They want to be completely secure, but they don't wish to defend themselves. … Europe is no longer the center of the world, but a subordinate part of the international system." Page 258.

If that is a position you agree with, then you will find much to justify your views in this book. If you suggest that there must be more Europe than rekindling smoldering 'flashpoints' then you will need to look elsewhere as this book offered little insight into why the future described above is inevitable.

ByNJon, March 24, 2015

Too superficial

Flashpoints packs in some good information but it is too cursory, needlessly conspiratorial and unfoundedly biased.

Almost a half of the short book is a summary of the "European" history. From protestant reformation and renaissance to scientific revolution, French revolution and Napoleonic wars, colonialism, Marxism and the two big wars to the fall of the Wall and even the 2008 GFC along with the rise and decline of many states and kingdoms (I am getting breathless just highlighting some of the topics covered!) are discussed with summaries that are likely to be useful only to those completely uninitiated. The biases present in deriving the implications of these events are more galling because of a near complete lack of substantive proofs - for instance, the rise of Germany's economy (like Japan's) post WW2 is solely attributed to the US tariff policies and is apparently desired by Germany to reassert its regional superiority in the absence of militarism rather than any wish to have prosperity.

The book turns more interesting as the author begins his European travelogue. There are good insights when the book leaves the known or larger Western European countries to describe the life in the Balkan, the Baltic, the Caucasus or the Carpathian regions. Even if there are as many errors and sweeping generalizations in these sections as elsewhere, for most like me they will not be as apparent.

The discussion turns shallow again when the author journeys the larger countries. From the English' use of the cutlery to the French's "comfort with contradictions",many absurd history lessons and supposed facts are used to draw massive predictions. Effectively, the premise is that in Europe everyone hates everyone else as they have a lot of bad history. Nobody is anyone's friend as per the author. The author expects some economic, social or political tension somewhere or the other to result in massive chaos because of the hidden animosities.

In some ways, the author's personal history and/or pre-conceived conclusions mar the book from the start to the end. With the logic provided here, the author would have forecasted WW3 all through the cold war. Or he would make equally strong case for civil wars leading to the break-ups in the US, China or India. Wars will happen again. And people do have long memories. But whenever and wherever next wars happen, they will not be for the reasons explained here (at least largely).

Niemand Namenlos, April 12, 2015

Since 100 years "we" European suffer from American infiltration in internal European affairs.

Well then America is the country of thinking big and plenty in memory of Brian Tracey.
A country which citiziens have mainly, formerly been Europeans and with a dremendously 300 year "cultural" history.
Everything they did built up is based on the fascis which stands for an overwhelmingly Power and Control with Ahrimans Fascism as their one and only God. Book of revelation 13 speaks about this loud and clear enough. Coming to the point that it seems that George Friedman seems to be one of the KhasARIAN AshkeNAZIm who likes it the way it is and does not want to stop this global lunacy for the sake of feeding the rich and burrying the poor we can say:" Well done mates you have done an awesomly good job to get us at the deepest point of humankind can get". Very clever and intriguing strategie and your plan will work out brightly. Its only a question of time that your system will win against the European culture and especially your homemade enemy Russia. And Europe will stand and fight and die with you. They will bleed for you, they will suffer for you, whilst you are just standing there and watching the scenario and laughing your butts of about this European stupidity. The world itself must be flattered about this intensity of darkness you want to bring over something you created with your long time plan from the ones who are the reall "owners" of America.

Yes you were MADE IN GERMANY and now you start to bring back something what beginns with you and especially with the 23.12.1913.

Anyhow Mr George Friedman Sura 5 Ayat 48 and Sura 2 Ayat 275 does tell us interesting facts. Neither we Germans are terrorist nor as stupid as you want us to be. Probably the German MK Ultra planned unconsciousness has reached its target to the fullest but there might be something from the Antarctic in your ecuation which develops to something dangerously unknown during your "beginning" World War 3 "game"

Whatever comes next this crisis was long term planned and at least we do know now, who has done all that suffering for the sake of gaining absolute power at least during the last 100 years in Europe.

Hopefully America is able and will stay {st}able to controll such powers they want to unleash over Europe now.

There is a shiver through the bone hearing the names Thomas PM Barnett and George Friedman because awakened minds do already know that these names mean that mortal man will suffer in an eternity of darkness if their plans will come true.

There is only Psalm 23 left to protect the whole abrahamitic world against such planned European Genocide

NAMASTE

I honour the place within you were the whole Universe resides. I honour the place of Light,Truth,Peace and Wisdom within you. I honour the place within you where you and me are united as ONE.

But it seems that you are willing to fullfill this NAMASTE by using the Bhagavad Gita misquotation from Robert Oppenheimer
"Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds."

David Wineberg TOP 500 REVIEWER on January 27, 2015
Unloseable Baggagea>

George Friedman is Stratfor. He advises on European and world issues. He visits everywhere, takes the pulse, collects the data and mingles with those in the know. His family fled Hungary (to Brooklyn, the Bronx and now Texas) just after he was born. He traces their remarkable story of barely getting out after the communists took over from the Nazis and imposed more of the same terror. It makes for an informed and deeply personal foundation for Flashpoints.

Most of what Flashpoints posits is hard to disagree with. It's all there in the news every day, from Ukrainian separatists to Flemish separatists and everyone in between. We differ on a couple of issues. Friedman defines Europe as everything west of a line from St. Petersburg, Russia, to Rostov-on-Don, Russia. This is a lot bigger than most people would consider Europe to be, and explains why he thinks Ukraine, Georgia, Azerbaijan and Armenia to be "European" flashpoints. I can't imagine Russia allowing a US military base in Ukraine any more than the US allowing Russian missiles in Cuba. Putin could not possibly survive if he allowed the West to take over a country on his border, any more than the US would allow a Russian regime in Central America. It is inconceivable. So why does Freidman pretend differently? Putin is not Gorbachev. NATO is not going to war with Russia over Ukraine.

I had problems with credibility right from the preface, where Friedman lists statistics that purport to show the straits Europe finds itself in. He cites population density, the overcrowded EU having 112 per square kilometer, while relaxed Asia has 86. But that is absurd on its face. Asia's population is nearly three billion, nine times more than Europe's 340 million. What Friedman has done is include all the gigantic empty and uninhabitable space of Siberia, the Gobi Desert, Tibet and Mongolia, which Europe does not have. What Asia does have is most of the most densely populated places on Earth, like Singapore, Hong Kong and Beijing. Only Gaza is more densely packed. This put his methods on the line and me on my guard.

Basically, he sees Europe as a vast storehouse of old baggage, which will come back to haunt its owners again and again. Because old grudges fester. It's an easy bet to make, and while Europe is working very hard to prove him wrong, there are so many possibilities for conflicts, one or more of them will inevitably flare up. In the mean time, this is a comprehensive look at the whole matrix of national personalities, cultures, history and politics.

David Wineberg

J. Hambyon January 29, 2015

Moments in time like he puts forth to illustrate the fault lines in ...

There is no doubting that George Friedman is deft at presenting an argument/opinion in a well researched and cogent manner.

The reason for this rating though comes from a couple of things I found in my reading.

First, the book boils down some broad sweeping and even startling changes in European society to one element. Whether it is the way he supports the printing press as being such a huge factor not just in the triggering the Reformation (like Popes, mistresses and venality oh my did not play a part, among so many other equally pertinent issues) but also growing nationalism or comparing why Portugal went one way and Spain the other in regards to exploration and colonization (skipping that it doesn't really work since despite the Pope's declaration dividing the world between the two Portugal went both East and West in exploration).

I don't think he could cover every single factor in the two examples or other pivotal moments he illustrates in his argument. But I find that more than once he picks one item and seems to focus too strongly on it as a factor. Because, I came away suspecting, it fits his theme and bolsters his theories.

Second, he also takes such factors and applies hindsight to declare as fact what prompted such a moment. But this doesn't work. Moments in time like he puts forth to illustrate the fault lines in Europe that caused it to self-destruct and possibly do so again, Because there, again, were so many factors. Plus some we simply don't know occurred. Much of history is still subjective and speculative. It might be based on logic and rational argument as it tallies what is known. And I'm not even factoring in the aspect of history being written by the winners.

Third, I found some of his theories, again seeming to be present more as fact whether past, present or possible, a bit too shrill and alarmist. It puts forth his ideas as taking place in a vacuum. Not taking into account factors like climate change or simply changes in the Islamic pond in the Mid-East that could ripple for good or ill or simply shifting ideas that play a role in the social, political and economic changes in Europe.

Overall I did like the style he employs to combine his own family's history to interweave with his ideas and theories. But I just came away with too much of a sense that Friedman cherry picks certain ideas and events to bolster an agenda he set out on writing the book. This is not a study that comes to a conclusion after gathering all the facts. This is a determined notion of what could be and what can be taken from the past to support that.

wogan on January 24, 2015 TOP 500 REVIEWER

Nothing significant is ever over

The author, George Friedman is the founder of a private intelligence company and is considered an expert on that and international geopolitics. He writes this book describing the points that he feels are festering with problems that have led to wars in the past. He says the European Union is failing to stop these challenges to peace and stability.
There are useful maps throughout to help the reader picture what Friedman is trying to prove. He also explains his, his family's and Europe's in general, past history which lends a more personal look and understanding of some of these problems and the saga of past events. The reader can see the results of the past and what might come to fruition in the future.

With that said, the title might lead one to feel that the contents of the book are predictions for Europe's future, when in fact it seems that there is more of an emphasis on the past events that might lead and add to impending troubles
The analysis that is done is interesting, but in some cases it seems to ignore some of the changes in modern life such as the interconnection of the world by internet and a more global perspective both in communication and travel than had occurred prior to WWII.

Still there are interesting perspectives here from an author who has some proven insights on global trends. Those who wish to learn more about the European situation and what could be future difficulties might like to digest the concepts in this book.

Kyle Slayzaron January 24, 2015

More Biographical and Historical Than Editorial

Friedman has very good credentials as a survivor or some of Europe's darkest periods (Holocaust, Cold War) as a Jew in Europe and let became an operative for US intelligence. His perception on European affairs is not one to discount given his experiences. As such, I was greatly looking forward to reading his alleged editorial "Flash Points," believing it to be an essay on a growing issue in Europe that may soon boil over.

This was not the case, not really.

Friedman spends more time explaining the roots of nationalism and colonial hegemony than anything else starting in the colonials times, going to the industrial revolution, and so forth, than actually formulating what the "emerging crisis" in Europe really is. Also, I found his narrative a bit subjective if not non-academic. It felt like a graduate essay except less citation. Truth be told, I had to stop after each half chapter or so to contemplate what I just read to ensure that I was on the same page.

This isn't to say that Friedman isn't a good writer, just needs a lot of polish and to establish what his thesis statement is, early and often. I did enjoy Flash Points but I encourage Friedman to be more concise in the future.

Amazon Customer VINE VOICE on December 22, 2014

Overwrought, Emotional, and Irrational

If Mr. Friedman is planning to keep writing about serious subjects, he should work on dropping the highly emotional, overwrought, and often hysterical tone he is prone to adopt. It is impossible to read page after page of these melodramatic outbursts. This author will do well in the Harlequin series, but history and politics are just not his thing.

At the beginning of the book, Friedman confesses that when he was a grad student, he was more interested in gossiping with friends than reading books. And it shows. His analysis relies on gossip and emotion but rarely on reason and logic. To give an example, Friedman tells the readers that Moldova is the poorest country in Europe. However, when Friedman traveled to Moldova with his wife and another woman, the two women gossiped about the boots they saw some Moldovan women wear. For Friedman, his wife's suggestion that she saw women wearing expensive boots in Moldova is proof that the country is not that poor.

Similarly, when Friedman sees young people enjoy the bar scene in Berlin, he somehow concludes that it's evidence that Germany is likely to go to war against France. To justify this extreme leap of logic, Friedman goes on another long and overwrought rant about his relatives, friends, and the gossip he heard someplace about something.

There are serious lacunae in Friedman's knowledge and he tries to cover them up with endless repetitions. For instance, he keeps repeating that "Ukraine" means "the outskirts of Russia." It doesn't but he seems very wedded to this idea.

For people who like a good sob story, the beginning of Friedman's book will be enjoyable. I, however, do not seek out tear-jerkers and do not cherish opportunities to see people unravel emotionally in public. We are on the verge of great transformations, and they need to be discussed in calm, rational ways. Unfortunately, Mr. Friedman seems to have no use for calm, reason, and rationality.

[Apr 28, 2015] Ten Years Later, What Paul Wolfowitz 'Owes to the Country' by James Fallows

The Atlantic

Andrew Bacevich has a wonderful essay, in the form of an open letter to Paul Wolfowitz, in the current Harper's. You have to subscribe to read it -- but, hey, you should be subscribing to any publication whose work you value. This essay isolates the particular role Wolfowitz had in the cast of characters that led us to war. As a reminder, they included:

  • Dick Cheney, who was becoming a comic-book churl by this stage of his public life;
  • Colin Powell, the loyal soldier, staffer, and diplomat whose "Powell Doctrine" and entire life's work stood in opposition to the kind of war that he, with misguided loyalty, was to play so central a role in selling;
  • Tony Blair, the crucial ally who added rhetorical polish and international resolve to the case for war;
  • Donald Rumsfeld, with his breezy contempt for those who said the effort would be difficult or long;
  • Paul Bremer, whose sudden, thoughtless dismantling of the Iraqi army proved so disastrous;
  • Condoleezza Rice, miscast in her role as White House national-security advisor;
  • George Tenet, the long-time staffer who cooperated with the "slam-dunk!" intelligence assessment despite serious disagreement within the CIA;
  • and of course George W. Bush himself, whose combination of limited knowledge and strong desire to be "decisive" made him so vulnerable to the argument that the "real" response to the 9/11 attacks should be invading a country that had nothing to do with them.

But Paul Wolfowitz was in a category of his own because he was the one who provided the highest-concept rationale for the war. As James Galbraith of the University of Texas has put it, "Wolfowitz is the real-life version of Halberstam's caricature of McNamara" [in The Best and the Brightest].

Bacevich's version of this assessment is to lay out as respectfully as possible the strategic duty that Wolfowitz thought the U.S. would fulfill by invading Iraq. Back before the war began, I did a much more limited version of this assessment as an Atlantic article. As Bacevich puts it now, Wolfowitz was extending precepts from his one-time mentor, Albert Wohlstetter, toward a model of how the United States could maximize stability for itself and others.

As with the best argumentative essays, Bacevich takes on Wolfowitz in a strong rather than an oversimplified version of his world-view. You have to read the whole thing to get the effect, but here is a brief sample (within fair-use limits):

With the passing of the Cold War, global hegemony seemed America's for the taking. What others saw as an option you, Paul, saw as something much more: an obligation that the nation needed to seize, for its own good as well as for the world's....

Although none of the hijackers were Iraqi, within days of 9/11 you were promoting military action against Iraq. Critics have chalked this up to your supposed obsession with Saddam. The criticism is misplaced. The scale of your ambitions was vastly greater.

In an instant, you grasped that the attacks provided a fresh opportunity to implement Wohlstetter's Precepts, and Iraq offered a made-to-order venue....In Iraq the United States would demonstrate the efficacy of preventive war.... The urgency of invading Iraq stemmed from the need to validate that doctrine before the window of opportunity closed.

Bacevich explains much more about the Wohlstetter / Wolfowitz grand view. And then he poses the challenge that he says Wolfowitz should now meet:
One of the questions emerging from the Iraq debacle must be this one: Why did liberation at gunpoint yield results that differed so radically from what the war's advocates had expected? Or, to sharpen the point, How did preventive war undertaken by ostensibly the strongest military in history produce a cataclysm?

Not one of your colleagues from the Bush Administration possesses the necessary combination of honesty, courage, and wit to answer these questions. If you don't believe me, please sample the tediously self-exculpatory memoirs penned by (or on behalf of) Bush himself, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Tenet, Bremer, Feith, and a small squad of eminently forgettable generals...

What would Albert [Wohlstetter] do? I never met the man (he died in 1997), but my guess is that he wouldn't flinch from taking on these questions, even if the answers threatened to contradict his own long-held beliefs. Neither should you, Paul. To be sure, whatever you might choose to say, you'll be vilified, as Robert McNamara was vilified when he broke his long silence and admitted that he'd been "wrong, terribly wrong" about Vietnam. But help us learn the lessons of Iraq so that we might extract from it something of value in return for all the sacrifices made there. Forgive me for saying so, but you owe it to your country.

Anyone who knows Andrew Bacevich's story will understand the edge behind his final sentence. But you don't have to know that to respect the challenge he lays down. I hope Paul Wolfowitz will at some point rise to it.

For another very valuable assessment of who was right and wrong, when, please see John Judis's piece in The New Republic.

[Apr 21, 2015] Russian Workers Take Aim at Putin as Economy Exacts Its Toll By ANDREW E. KRAMER

Sanctions have a bite, despite the effort to diminish their influence...
Apr 21, 2015 | NYTimes.com

MOSCOW - In the far east, the teachers went on strike. In central Russia, it was the employees of a metallurgical plant. In St. Petersburg, autoworkers laid down their tools. And at a remote construction site in Siberia, laborers painted their complaints in gigantic white letters on the roofs of their dormitories.

"Dear Putin, V.V.," the message said. "Four months without pay."

After months of frustration with an economy sagging under the weight of international sanctions and falling energy prices, workers across Russia are starting to protest against unpaid wages and go on strike, in the first nationwide backlash against President Vladimir V. Putin's economic policies.

The protests have been wildcat actions for the most part, as organized labor never emerged as a strong political or economic force in modern Russia. Under the Soviets, labor unions had been de facto incorporated into management.

Russian companies tend to avoid laying off workers in a downturn to limit severance payments - or to evade the wrath of officials trying to minimize unemployment in their districts. So with the Russian economy expected to contract this year and next, many workers are going unpaid or being sent away from their factories for a few days at a time of unwanted "vacations."

Unpaid wages, or wage arrears, an old scourge in Russia, rose on April 1 to 2.9 billion rubles, or about $56 million, according to the Russian statistical service. That is a 15 percent increase over a year earlier, but experts say that still does not capture the scope of the diminished pay of workers involuntarily idled during the slowdown.

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In the Ural Mountains, workers at the Kachkanarsk metallurgical plant that enriches vanadium, a metal used in steel alloys, went on a work-to-rule strike in March over layoffs.

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The actions fall in line with economists' predictions that the recession caused by the Ukraine crisis and falling oil prices will bite Russia hardest in rural areas and single-industry towns.

In those places, public-sector employees like teachers and postal workers, whose salaries are capped under austerity measures this year, make up a larger percentage of the population than they do in cities, according to Vladimir Tikhomirov, the chief economist at BCS Financial Group.

Russia's one-factory towns, called monotowns, barely tread water economically in the best of times. After the collapse of the ruble in December, the rising cost of imported parts hurt manufacturers such as automotive assembly plants.

"If they are not laid off, workers could be sent on unpaid vacation because of falling demand," Mr. Tikhomirov said.

The construction worker protest in Siberia was all the more remarkable for coming at a highly prestigious site, the new national space center, the Vostochny Cosmodrome. There, deep in a coniferous forest off a spur of the Trans-Siberian Railway, laborers laid concrete and built gigantic hangars for rockets long after salaries stopped being paid in December.

"We haven't seen a kopeck since December," Anton I. Tyurishev, an engineer, said in a telephone interview. Some people walked away, but he stayed on his job burrowing tunnels through the frozen soil for communications wires near the launchpad, hoping to be paid. "The company should have laid people off if they didn't have enough money."

In all, 1,123 employees of a main subcontractor, the Pacific Bridge-Building Company, have not been paid since December. Most work stopped on March 1, though dozens of employees stayed at the site to guard equipment. Their labor protest took the form of writing the giant message to President Putin on the roofs of their dormitories.

In a rare twist for Russia's unpaid workers, somebody finally noticed this time.

After the message appeared, a Russian state television crew showed up to ask the workers to appear on a televised call-in show with Mr. Putin on Thursday. Hours before the show, the general contractor paid about 80 percent of the salaries to the 70 or so employees who remained at the space center, Mr. Tyurishev said. The contractor, Spetsstroy, earlier paid a portion of back wages for all employees for December.

"Because of the indifference toward us, we just despaired, and decided on this original means to appeal directly to you," Mr. Tyurishev told Mr. Putin on the call-in show, referring to the sign the workers had painted. "So you saw us, and helped in our situation, to resolve our problem."

Mr. Putin said he would ensure the whole group was paid in full.

"It is one of the most important construction projects in the country," he said of the new space center. "Not because I initiated the project, but because the country needs a new launchpad."

Before the show, a boss had asked the remaining workers to paint over their message, to show that this dispute, at least, was resolved.

Mr. Tyurishev said no, not until all the employees had been paid in full. But in a compromise, he agreed to update it to read, "Three months without pay."

[Apr 21, 2015] 'West scared of BRICS as it has no control over it' - Ex-Indian Foreign Secretary

Video from RT.
Apr 11, 2014 | youtube.com

Representing a fifth of the world economy, the BRICS states pose a challenge to the US-dominated world. Submarket growth in Russia and the West could also change more rapidly, shifting the whole world system Eastwards. Is this the start of a new era? Former Foreign Secretary of India Kanwal Sibal is on Sophie&Co today.

[April 20, 2015] Another Idiotic Plan to Hurt Russia by MIKE WHITNEY

April 20, 2015 | CounterPunch

"The U.S. must show the leadership necessary to establish and protect a new order that holds the promise of convincing potential competitors that they need not aspire to a greater role or pursue a more aggressive posture to protect their legitimate interests…..We must, however, be mindful that…Russia will remain the strongest military power in Eurasia and the only power in the world with the capability of destroying the United States."

-The Wolfowitz Doctrine, the original version of the Defense Planning Guidance, authored by Under Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz, leaked to the New York Times on March 7, 1992

"For America, the chief geopolitical prize is Eurasia…and America's global primacy is directly dependent on how long and how effectively its preponderance on the Eurasian continent is sustained."

-THE GRAND CHESSBOARD – American Primacy And It's Geostrategic Imperatives, Zbigniew Brzezinski, page 30, Basic Books, 1997

The Laussanne negotiations between Iran and the so called P5+1 group (the United States, Russia, China, France, Britain, and Germany) have nothing to do with nuclear proliferation. They are, in fact, another attempt to weaken and isolate Russia by easing sanctions, thus allowing Iranian gas to replace Russian gas in Europe.

Laussanne shows that Washington still thinks that the greatest threat to its dominance is the further economic integration of Russia and Europe, a massive two-continent free trade zone from Lisbon to Vladivostok that would eventually dwarf dwindling US GDP while decisively shifting the balance of global power to Asia. To counter that threat, the Obama administration toppled the elected government of Ukraine in a violent coup, launched a speculative attack on the ruble, forced down global oil prices, and is presently arming and training neo-Nazi extremists in the Ukrainian army. Washington has done everything in its power to undermine relations between the EU and Russia risking even nuclear war in its effort to separate the natural trading partners and to strategically situate itself in a location where it can control the flow of vital resources from East to West.

Laussanne was about strategic priorities not nukes. The Obama administration realizes that if it can't find an alternate source of gas for Europe, then its blockade of Russia will fail and the EU-Russia alliance will grow stronger. And if the EU-Russia alliance grows stronger, then US attempts to extend its tentacles into Asia and become a major player in the world's most prosperous region will also fail leaving Washington to face a dismal future in which the steady erosion of its power and prestige is a near certainty. This is from an article titled "Removing sanctions against Iran to have unfavorable influence on Turkey and Azerbaijan":

"If Washington removes energy sanctions on Iran…then a new geopolitical configuration will emerge in the region. Connecting with Nabucco will be enough for Iran to fully supply Europe with gas…

Iran takes the floor with inexhaustible oil and gas reserves and as a key transit country. Iran disposes of the 10% of the reported global oil reserves and is the second country in the world after Russia with its natural gas reserves (15%). The official representatives of Iran do not hide that they strive to enter the European market of oil and gas, as in the olden days. Let's remember that the deputy Minister of Oil in Iran, Ali Majedi, offered to revive project of Nabucco pipeline during his European tour and said that his country is ready to supply gas to Europe through it…

"Some months earlier the same Ali Majedi reported sensational news: 'two invited European delegations' discussed the potential routes of Iranian gas supply to Europe," the article reads." … It is also noted that the West quite materially reacted to the possibility of the Iranian gas to join Nabucco." (Removing sanctions against Iran to have unfavorable influence on Turkey and Azerbaijan, Panorama)

So, is this the plan, to provide "energy security" to Europe by replacing Russian gas with Iranian gas?

It sure looks like it. But that suggests that the sanctions really had nothing to do with Iran's fictitious nuclear weapons program but were merely used to humiliate Iran while keeping as much of its oil and gas offline until western-backed multinationals could get their greasy mitts on it.

Indeed, that's exactly how the sanctions were used even though the nuclear issue was a transparent fake from the get go. Get a load of this from the New York Times:

"Recent assessments by American spy agencies are broadly consistent with a 2007 intelligence finding that concluded that Iran had abandoned its nuclear weapons program years earlier, according to current and former American officials. The officials said that assessment was largely reaffirmed in a 2010 National Intelligence Estimate, and that it remains the consensus view of America's 16 intelligence agencies." (U.S. Agencies See No Move by Iran to Build a Bomb, James Risen, New York Times, February 24, 2012)

See? The entire US intelligence establishment has been saying the same thing from the onset: No Iranian nukes. Nor has Iran ever been caught diverting nuclear fuel to other purposes. Never. Also, as nuclear weapons physicist, Gordon Prather stated many times before his death, "After almost three years of go-anywhere see-anything interview-anyone inspections, IAEA inspectors have yet to find any indication that Iran has - or ever had - a nuclear weapons program."

The inspectors were on the ground for three freaking years. They interviewed everyone and went wherever they wanted. They searched every cave and hideaway, every nook and cranny, and they found nothing.

Get it? No nukes, not now, not ever. Period.

The case against Iran is built on propaganda, brainwashing and bullshit, in that order. But, still, that doesn't tell us why the US is suddenly changing course. For that, we turn to an article from The Brookings Institute titled "Why the details of the Iran deal don't matter" which sums it up quite well. Here's a clip:

"At heart, this is a fight over what to do about Iran's challenge to U.S. leadership in the Middle East and the threat that Iranian geopolitical ambitions pose to U.S. allies, particularly Israel and Saudi Arabia. Proponents of the deal believe that the best way for the United States to deal with the Iranian regional challenge is to seek to integrate Iran into the regional order, even while remaining wary of its ambitions. A nuclear deal is an important first step in that regard, but its details matter little because the ultimate goal is to change Iranian intentions rather destroy Iranian capability." (Why the details of the Iran deal don't matter, Brookings)

Notice how carefully the author avoids mentioning Israel by name although he alludes to "the threat that Iranian geopolitical ambitions pose to U.S. allies". Does he think he's talking to idiots?

But his point is well taken; the real issue is not "Iranian capability", but "Iran's challenge to U.S. leadership in the Middle East". In other words, the nuclear issue is baloney. What Washington doesn't like is that Iran has an independent foreign policy that conflicts with the US goal of controlling the Middle East. That's what's really going on. Washington wants a compliant Iran that clicks its heals and does what its told.

The problem is, the strategy hasn't worked and now the US is embroiled in a confrontation with Moscow that is a higher priority than the Middle East project. (The split between US elites on this matter has been interesting to watch, with the Obama-Brzezinski crowd on one side and the McCain-neocon crowd on the other.) This is why the author thinks that easing sanctions and integrating Iran into the predominantly US system would be the preferable remedy for at least the short term.

Repeat: "The best way for the United States to deal with the Iranian regional challenge is to integrate Iran into the regional order." In other words, if you can't beat 'em, then join 'em. Iran is going to be given enough freedom to fulfill its role within the imperial order, that is, to provide gas to Europe in order to inflict more economic pain on Russia. Isn't that what's going on?

But what effect will that have on Iran-Russia relations? Will it poison the well and turn one ally against the other?

Probably not, mainly because the ties between Iran and Russia are growing stronger by the day. Check this out from the Unz Review by Philip Giraldi:

"Moscow and Tehran are moving towards a de-facto strategic partnership, which can be easily seen by the two groundbreaking announcements from earlier this week. It's now been confirmed by the Russian government that the rumored oil-for-goods program between Russia and Iran is actually a real policy that's already been implemented, showing that Moscow has wasted no time in trying to court the Iranian market after the proto-deal was agreed to a week earlier. Providing goods in exchange for resources is a strategic decision that creates valuable return customers in Iran, who will then be in need of maintenance and spare parts for their products. It's also a sign of deep friendship between the two Caspian neighbors and sets the groundwork for the tentative North-South economic corridor between Russia and India via Iran." (A Shifting Narrative on Iran, Unz Review)

But here's the glitch: Iran can't just turn on the spigot and start pumping gas to Europe. It doesn't work that way. It's going to take massive pipeline and infrastructure upgrades that could take years to develop. That means there will be plenty of hefty contracts awarded to friends of Tehran –mostly Russian and Chinese–who will perform their tasks without interfering in domestic politics. Check this out from Pepe Escobar:

"Russia and China are deeply committed to integrating Iran into their Eurasian vision. Iran may finally be admitted as a full member of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) at the upcoming summer summit in Russia. That implies a full-fledged security/commercial/political partnership involving Russia, China, Iran and most Central Asian 'stans'.

Iran is already a founding member of the Chinese-led Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank (AIIB); that means financing for an array of New Silk Road-related projects bound to benefit the Iranian economy. AIIB funding will certainly merge with loans and other assistance for infrastructure development related to the Chinese-established Silk Road Fund…" (Russia, China, Iran: In sync, Pepe Escobar, Russia Today)

Get the picture? Eurasian integration is already done-deal and there's nothing the US can do to stop it.

Washington needs to rethink its approach. Stop the meddling and antagonism, rebuild relations through trade and mutual trust, and accept the inevitability of imperial decline.

Asia's star is rising just as America's is setting. Deal with it.

MIKE WHITNEY lives in Washington state. He is a contributor to Hopeless: Barack Obama and the Politics of Illusion (AK Press). Hopeless is also available in a Kindle edition. He can be reached at [email protected].

[Apr 18, 2015] Petro Poroshenko's REAL Problem (And It's Not Russia) by Raymond Sontag

Quote: "If basic rule of law and tolerance for dissent are not observed, what chance does Ukrainian democracy have? Therefore, it is in Poroshenko and Ukraine's interest to see that the fighting in the east stops for good, even if it means the country de facto loses control of that territory, at least temporarily. If such a loss proves to be part of the price Ukraine pays for a functioning democracy, it will be well worth it. It is also in the interest of Poroshenko and his supporters to not misdiagnose political violence and radicalism as a purely foreign import or as something that hurts the country only to the extent that it discredits the current government."
Apr 18, 2015 | The National Interest

Ukraine has had a string of opposition figures die in 2015. Between late January and early March, seven former officials associated with deposed President Viktor Yanukovych died in apparent suicides, but many suspect they were murdered. Then this week, Oles Buzina, a pro-Russian journalist, Oleh Kalashnikov, a former member of parliament from Yanukovych's political party, and Sergey Sukhobok were shot and killed. On Friday, Kiev political analyst Volodymyr Fesenko wrote on his Facebook page that he had received a letter from a group called the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA) claiming responsibility for the murder of Buzina and Kalashnikov and for three of the seven "suicides." UPA, incidentally, was the name of the Ukrainian partisan paramilitary force that fought Soviet and German armies in the 1940s, suggesting Ukrainian nationalists were taking credit.

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...Of course we do not know if the note Fesenko received is genuine, or who committed these murders, or how many were actually murders, as opposed to suicides. We do know, though, that Ukraine has a serious problem with radical politics and politically motivated violence and that these problems are greatly exacerbated by the war in the east.

Unable to raise an army sufficient to fight the Russian-backed separatist movement, the government has relied on nationalist paramilitary groups to do a good part of the fighting. While this strategy may be a necessity, it does raise questions about the government's ability to control these groups or even to defend itself from them, should it need to. Last fall, right-wing protesters clashed with police outside the parliament building, and this spring, the Dnipro-1 paramilitary group briefly took a state-owned oil company as part of dispute between the government and the oligarch Igor Kolomoisky. The war has also sparked proliferation of weapons in Ukraine, with gun violence on the rise across the country.

Beyond the dangers posed by paramilitary groups and freely available arms, the war has seriously aggravated divisions within Ukrainian society between those who feel culturally or linguistically closer to Russia and those who are more oriented toward western Europe. As these recent killings would seem to show, these divisions can be deadly even outside of areas where the war is being fought.

If basic rule of law and tolerance for dissent are not observed, what chance does Ukrainian democracy have? Therefore, it is in Poroshenko and Ukraine's interest to see that the fighting in the east stops for good, even if it means the country de facto loses control of that territory, at least temporarily. If such a loss proves to be part of the price Ukraine pays for a functioning democracy, it will be well worth it. It is also in the interest of Poroshenko and his supporters to not misdiagnose political violence and radicalism as a purely foreign import or as something that hurts the country only to the extent that it discredits the current government. As Ukrainian sociologist Volodymyr Ishchenko put it,

"In this twisted logic the far right are criticized first of all for putting their partisan interests above Ukraine's national interests. In other words, they are criticized not for being anti-democratic, reactionary, xenophobic and for propagating discriminatory ideas, but for not being nationalist enough."

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Raymond Sontag is an adjunct Senior Fellow at the Center for The National Interest

[Apr 18, 2015] The New York Times "basically rewrites whatever the Kiev authorities say" Stephen F. Cohen on the U.S.-Russia-Ukraine history

Quote: "The [crisis now] grew out of Clinton's policies, what I call a "winner take all" American policy toward what was thought to be-but this isn't true-a defeated post-Cold War Russia, leading people in the '90s to think of Russia as in some ways analogous to Germany and Japan after World War II: Russia would decide its internal policies to some extent, and it would be allowed to resume its role as a state in international affairs-but as a junior partner pursuing new American national interests."
From comments: When one looks at the American empire one must think of it in terms of economics, like the British empire before it. This empire isn't run primarily for military purposes, or for other purposes, but to make money. It is run as a huge project to export money from places with less power to the US. At the end of the cold war the former Soviet Union found itself in the position of having natural resources and being in a subservient position.

The New York Times "basically rewrites whatever the Kiev authorities say": Stephen F. Cohen on the U.S./Russia/Ukraine history the media won't tell you

There's an alternative story of Russian relations we're not hearing. Historian Stephen Cohen tells it here

It is one thing to comment in a column as the Ukrainian crisis grinds on and Washington-senselessly, with no idea of what will come next - destroys relations with Moscow. It is quite another, as a long exchange with Stephen F. Cohen makes clear, to watch as an honorable career's worth of scholarly truths are set aside in favor of unlawful subterfuge, a war fever not much short of Hearst's and what Cohen ranks among the most extravagant expansion of a sphere of influence-NATO's-in history.

Cohen is a distinguished Russianist by any measure. While professing at Princeton and New York University, he has written of the revolutionary years ("Bukharin and the Bolshevik Revolution," 1973), the Soviet era ("Rethinking the Soviet Experience," 1985) and, contentiously but movingly and always with a steady eye, the post-Soviet decades ("Failed Crusade: America and the Tragedy of Post-Communist Russia, 2000; "Soviet Fates and Lost Alternatives," 2009). "The Victims Return: Survivors of the Gulag After Stalin" (2010) is a singularly humane work, using scholarly method to relate the stories of the former prisoners who walk as ghosts in post-Soviet Russia. "I never actually lost the uneasy feeling of having left work unfinished and obligations unfulfilled," Cohen explains in the opening chapter, "even though fewer and fewer of the victims I knew were still alive."

If I had to describe the force and value of Cohen's work in a single sentence, it would be this: It is a relentless insistence that we must bring history to bear upon what we see. One would think this an admirable project, but it has landed Cohen in the mother of all intellectual disputes since the U.S.-supported coup in Kiev last year. To say he is now "blackballed" or "blacklisted"-terms Cohen does not like-is too much. Let us leave it that a place may await him among America's many prophets without honor among their own.

It is hardly surprising that the Ministry of Forgetting, otherwise known as the State Department, would eschew Cohen's perspective on Ukraine and the relationship with Russia: He brings far too much by way of causality and responsibility to the case. But when scholarly colleagues attack him as "Putin's apologist" one grows queasy at the prospect of a return to the McCarthyist period. By now, obedient ideologues in the academy have turned debate into freak show.

Cohen, who is 76, altogether game and remembers it all, does not think we are back in the 1950s just yet. But he is now enmeshed in a fight with the Association for Slavic, East European and Eurasian Studies, which last autumn rejected a $400,000 grant Cohen proposed with his wife, Katrina vanden Heuvel, because the fellowships to be funded would bear Cohen's name. Believe it, readers, this is us in the early 21st century.

The interview that follows took place in Cohen's Manhattan apartment some weeks after the cease-fire agreement known as Minsk II was signed in mid-February. It sprawled over several absorbing hours. As I worked with the transcript it became clear that Cohen had given me a valuable document, one making available to readers a concise, accessible, historically informed accounting of "where we are today," as Cohen put it, in Ukraine and in the U.S.-Russia relationship.

Salon will run it in two parts. This is an edited transcript of the first. Part two follows next week.

What is your judgment of Russia's involvement in Ukraine? In the current situation, the need is for good history and clear language. In a historical perspective, do you consider Russia justified?

Well, I can't think otherwise. I began warning of such a crisis more than 20 years ago, back in the '90s. I've been saying since February of last year [when Viktor Yanukovich was ousted in Kiev] that the 1990s is when everything went wrong between Russia and the United States and Europe. So you need at least that much history, 25 years. But, of course, it begins even earlier.

As I've said for more than a year, we're in a new Cold War. We've been in one, indeed, for more than a decade. My view [for some time] was that the United States either had not ended the previous Cold War, though Moscow had, or had renewed it in Washington. The Russians simply hadn't engaged it until recently because it wasn't affecting them so directly.

What's happened in Ukraine clearly has plunged us not only into a new or renewed-let historians decide that-Cold War, but one that is probably going to be more dangerous than the preceding one for two or three reasons. The epicenter is not in Berlin this time but in Ukraine, on Russia's borders, within its own civilization: That's dangerous. Over the 40-year history of the old Cold War, rules of behavior and recognition of red lines, in addition to the red hotline, were worked out. Now there are no rules. We see this every day-no rules on either side.

What galls me the most, there's no significant opposition in the United States to this new Cold War, whereas in the past there was always an opposition. Even in the White House you could find a presidential aide who had a different opinion, certainly in the State Department, certainly in the Congress. The media were open-the New York Times, the Washington Post-to debate. They no longer are. It's one hand clapping in our major newspapers and in our broadcast networks. So that's where we are.

The Ukraine crisis in historical perspective. Very dangerous ground. You know this better than anyone, I'd've thought.

This is where I get attacked and assailed. It's an historical judgment. The [crisis now] grew out of Clinton's policies, what I call a "winner take all" American policy toward what was thought to be-but this isn't true-a defeated post-Cold War Russia, leading people in the '90s to think of Russia as in some ways analogous to Germany and Japan after World War II: Russia would decide its internal policies to some extent, and it would be allowed to resume its role as a state in international affairs-but as a junior partner pursuing new American national interests.

That was the pursuit that Clinton and Strobe Talbott, who's now very upset about the failure of his policy, in the Yeltsin era. That's what they wanted, and thought they were getting, from Boris Yeltsin. You can read Talbott's memoir, "The Russia Hand," and know that all the official talk about eternal friendship and partnership was malarkey. Now it's all gone sour, predictably and for various reasons, and has led us to this situation.

The problem is that by taking the view, as the American media and political establishment do, that this crisis is entirely the fault of "Putin's aggression," there's no rethinking of American policy over the last 20 years. I have yet to see a single influential person say, "Hey, maybe we did something wrong, maybe we ought to rethink something." That's a recipe for more of the same, of course, and more of the same could mean war with Russia….

Let me give you one example. It's the hardest thing for the American foreign policy elite and the media elite to cope with.

Our position is that nobody is entitled to a sphere of influence in the 21st century. Russia wants a sphere of influence in the sense that it doesn't want American military bases in Ukraine or in the Baltics or in Georgia. But what is the expansion of NATO other than the expansion of the American zone or sphere of influence? It's not just military. It's financial, it's economic, it's cultural, it's intermarriage-soldiers, infrastructure. It's probably the most dramatic expansion of a great sphere of influence in such a short time and in peacetime in the history of the world.

So you have Vice President Biden constantly saying, "Russia wants a sphere of influence and we won't allow it." Well, we are shoving our sphere of influence down Russia's throat, on the assumption that it won't push back. Obviously, the discussion might well begin: "Is Russia entitled to a zone or sphere in its neighborhood free of foreign military bases?" Just that, nothing more. If the answer is yes, NATO expansion should've ended in Eastern Germany, as the Russians were promised. But we've crept closer and closer. Ukraine is about NATO-expansion-no-matter-what. Washington can go on about democracy and sovereignty and all the rest, but it's about that. And we can't re-open this question…. The hypocrisy, or the inability to connect the dots in America, is astonishing.

The nature of the Kiev regime. Again, there's a lot of fog. So there're two parts to this question. The coup matter and the relationship of the Yatsenyuk government to the State Department-we now have a finance minister in Kiev who's an American citizen, addressing the Council on Foreign Relations here as we speak-and then the relationship of the Kiev regime with the ultra-right.

It's a central question. I addressed it in a Nation piece last year called "Distorting Russia." One point was that the apologists in the media for the Kiev government as it came to power after Feb. 21, and for the Maidan demonstrations as they turned violent, ignored the role of a small but significant contingent of ultra-nationalists who looked, smelled and sounded like neo-fascists. And for this I was seriously attacked, including by Timothy Snyder at Yale, who is a great fan of Kiev, in the New Republic. I have no idea where he is coming from, or how any professor could make the allegations he did. But the argument was that this neo-fascist theme was Putin's, that what I was saying was an apology for Putin and that the real fascists were in Russia, not in Ukraine.

Maybe there are fascists in Russia, but we're not backing the Russian government or Russian fascists. The question is, and it's extremely important, "Is there a neo-fascist movement in Ukraine that, regardless of its electoral success, which has not been great, is influencing affairs politically or militarily, and is this something we should be worried about?"

The answer is 100 percent yes. But admitting this in the United States has gotten a 100 percent no until recently, when, finally, a few newspapers began to cite Kiev's battalions with swastikas on their helmets and tanks. So you've gotten a little more coverage. Foreign journalists, leaving aside Russians, have covered this neo-fascist phenomenon, which is not surprising. It grows out of Ukraine's history. It should be a really important political question for Western policy makers, and I think it is now for the Germans. German intelligence is probably better than American intelligence when it comes to Ukraine-more candid in what it tells the top leadership. Merkel's clearly worried about this.

It's another example of something you can't discuss in the mainstream media or elsewhere in the American establishment. When you read the testimony of [Assistant Secretary of State] Nuland, this is never mentioned. But what could be more important than the resurgence of a fascist movement on the European continent? I'm not talking about these sappy fascists who run around the streets in Western Europe. I'm talking about guys with a lot of weapons, guys who have done dastardly things and who have killed people. Does that warrant discussion? Well, people said, if they exist they're a tiny minority. My clichéd answer is, "Of course, so was Hitler and so was Lenin at one time." You pay attention and you think about it if you learn anything from history….

We say we're doing everything we're doing in Ukraine and against Russia, including running the risk of war, for a democratic Ukraine, by which we mean Ukraine under the rule of Kiev. Reasonably, we would ask to what extent Kiev is actually democratic. But correspondents of the Times and the Washington Post regularly file from Kiev and basically re-write whatever the Kiev authorities say while rarely, if ever, asking about democracy in Kiev-governed Ukraine.

Rewriting handouts. Is that actually so?

Until recently it was so…. I haven't made this a study, and one could be done in a week by a sophisticated journalist or scholar who knew how to ask questions and had access to information. And I would be willing to wager that it would show that there's less democracy, as reasonably understood, in those areas of Ukraine governed by Kiev today than there was before Yanukovych was overthrown. Now that's a hypothesis, but I think it's a hypothesis the Times and the Post should be exploring.

I take Kiev's characterization of its war in the eastern sections as an "anti-terrorist campaign" to be one of the most preposterous labels out there right now.

But, then, why did Washington say OK to it? Washington has a say in this. Without Washington, Kiev would be in bankruptcy court and have no military at all. Why didn't Washington say, "Don't call it anti-terrorist?" Because if you call it "anti-terrorism" you can never have negotiations because you don't negotiate with terrorists, you just kill them, a murderous organization with murderous intent.

By saying that this is not a civil war, it's just Russian aggression-this omits the human dimension of the entire war, and also the agency of the people who are actually fighting in the east-the hairdressers, the taxi drivers, the former newspaper reporters, the school teachers, the garbage men, the electricians, who are probably 90 percent of those fighting. There are Russians there, from Russia. But Ukraine's army has proved incapable of defeating or even holding off what began as a fairly ragtag, quasi-partisan, ill-equipped, untrained force.

The horror of this has been Kiev's use of its artillery, mortars and even its airplanes, until recently, to bombard large residential cities, not only Donetsk and Luhansk, but other cities. These are cities of 500,000, I imagine, or 2 million to 3 million. This is against the law. These are war crimes, unless we assume the rebels were bombing their mothers and grandmothers and fathers and sisters. This was Kiev, backed by the United States. So the United States has been deeply complicit in the destruction of these eastern cities and peoples. When Nuland tells Congress there are 5,000 to 6,000 dead, that's the U.N. number. That's just a count of bodies they found in the morgues. Lots of bodies are never found. German intelligence says 50,000.

Ever since the Clinton administration, we've bleated on about the right to protect people who are victims of humanitarian crises. You've got a massive humanitarian crisis in eastern Ukraine. You've got 1 million people or more who have fled to Russia-this is according to the U.N.-another half a million having fled elsewhere in Ukraine. I don't notice the United States organizing any big humanitarian effort. Where is Samantha Power, the architect of "right to protect?" We have shut our eyes to a humanitarian crisis in which we are deeply complicit. This is what's shameful, whether you like or don't like Putin. It's got nothing to do with Putin. It has to do with the nature of American policy and the nature of Washington-and the nature of the American people, if they tolerate this.

You've written about the second Minsk accord as the only hope we've got left. Tell me briefly your take on Minsk II and whether there's a chance it will hold.

The second Minsk Accord has a lot of moving parts. The primary part is the cease-fire and the withdrawal by both sides of heavy artillery. It would appear that this has been significantly accomplished, but the cease-fire is very unstable. The political parts are supposed to come now. Kiev is supposed to pass certain constitutional reforms, giving a certain autonomy to the eastern regions. The eastern regions are supposed to hold new elections that in some way comply with Ukrainian law. If all that happens by December, then the Ukrainian-Russian border will be turned over to the Kiev authorities along with some European monitors. The political parts are going to be the hardest because there is no political support for this in Kiev.

[President] Poroshenko went to Minsk because he had no choice: Merkel told him he had to sign Minsk II. But Kiev is ultra-nationalist. They want no concessions to the east or to Russia. Getting Minsk II through parliament in Kiev will be very difficult. But the main fact for now is that Minsk II is the last, best choice to avoid a wider war that might well cause a direct war with Russia. [Since this interview the Kiev parliament has passed legislation either contradicting or negating the Minsk II terms.]

Minsk II was Merkel's initiative with President Hollande of France, and why, at the last minute, she suddenly realized that the situation was different than she thought-desperate-I don't know. And remember, this is a woman with enormous executive responsibilities for the economic crisis of the European Union and Greece. The enemies of Minsk II…

I think the main enemy is Washington.

That's right. I wouldn't call them the enemy, but we can't be children about this. Washington controls the IMF. Washington controls NATO. NATO and the IMF are the two agencies that can make war happen on a broader basis in Ukraine and in regard to Russia, or stop it. Whoever is the decider in Washington, if it's Obama, if it's somebody else, now has to make the decision.

All the enemies of Minsk II speak freely and are quoted in the papers and on the networks as rational people. And yet there's not one dissenting voice from the establishment. Outwardly, it appears to be a very uneven struggle. One hopes that somewhere in dark corridors and dimly-lit rooms in Washington, serious conversations are taking place, but I don't think so. [One March 23, 48 members of Congress did vote against sending weapons to Kiev, a point Cohen commended in an email note.]

Our post-Soviet politics after 1991, it turns out to be war by other means. The Cold War never ended, in my view. The tactics changed, perhaps the strategy did, too, but there was very little by way of even a pause.

It's complicated. The main problem today of getting the American political class to think freshly is Putin. They use Putin as the excuse to do whatever they want and not rethink anything. But Putin came much later.

The historical facts are not convenient to the triumphalist narrative, which says that we defeated the Soviet Union and thereby ended the Cold War, and therefore and therefore. According to Gorbachev, Reagan and Bush, the Cold War ended either in 1988 or 1990. When Reagan left the White House-I think he wrote in his diary in January 1989, "We have ended the Cold War"-so he thought he had ended it with Gorbachev. I was in Moscow when he walked across Red Square in that heat, I think it was July 1988, and somebody shouted to him "President Reagan, is this still the Evil Empire?" And he, in that affable way, said "Oh, no, that was then… everything's changed."

The Cold War was a structural phenomenon. Just because the president says its over doesn't mean it's over, but then there was Malta in December 1989, when [George H.W.] Bush and Gorbachev said the Cold War was over, and that continued all through the reunification of Germany. Between '88 and '90 we were told repeatedly by the world's leaders that it was over. Jack Matlock, Reagan's ambassador to Russia, has written very well about this, and because he was there as a personal testimony, of how this truly was. So the conflation of the end of the Soviet Union and the end of the Cold War is an historical mistake.

Bush then continued to maintain the official line that he had pursued with Gorbachev that there were no losers at the end of the Cold War, everybody had won. Bush maintained that position until the polls showed he was running behind Clinton in his reelection campaign. And then he declared in 1992 that we, and he in particular, had won the Cold War. I saw Gorbachev shortly thereafter. My wife, Katrina vanden Heuvel, and I had been friends with him for several years. He was deeply, deeply hurt, with a sense of betrayal. He's forgiven Bush, being a forgiving man.

But at that moment, '91 and '92… well, words are words, but as Russians say, words are also deeds. By announcing that we had won the Cold War, Bush set the stage for the Clinton administration's decision to act on an American victory, including the expansion of NATO.

This history brings us to where we are today.

What has changed in U.S. policy toward Russia between 1991 and now, and what hasn't?

I think the history that we know is what I just told you. Behind the scenes, there were clearly discussions going on throughout the '90s, and there were different groups. Big historical decisions, whether we talk about the war in Vietnam, or, a subject that interests me, why slavery and segregation lasted so long in the American South, where I grew up, can never be explained by one factor. Almost always they're multi-factored. But you got, in the 1990s, some people who genuinely believed that this was the moment for an enduring post-Cold War, American-Russian, full-scale strategic partnership and friendship between equals. There were these Romantics, so to speak.

On this side of the ocean?

I think there were people who believed in this. Just like there're people who really believe in democracy promotion as a virtuous profession-some of my students have gone into it. They believe in it: It's a good thing. Why not help good countries achieve democracy? The dark side of democracy promotion for them is either not visible or not in their calculation. People are diverse. I don't judge them harshly for their beliefs.

There were others who were saying Russia will rise again, and we have to make sure that never happens. To do that, we need to strip Russia of Ukraine, in particular. Brzezinski was writing that. At some point during this time he wrote that Russia with Ukraine is a great imperial power, without Ukraine it's a normal country. But there were people in Washington, the same people I heard in private discussions, saying that Russia's down and we're going to keep it down. They were feeding opinion into the Clinton administration, and that clearly helped lead to the NATO expansion.

They use the excuse that everybody wants to join NATO. How can we deny them the right? It's very simple. People say every country that qualifies has a right to join NATO. No, they do not. NATO is not a junior Chamber of Commerce. It's not a non-selective fraternity or sorority. It's a security organization, and the only criterion for membership should be, "Does a nation enhance the security of the other member countries?" The Ukrainian crisis proves beyond any doubt, being the worst international crisis of our time, that the indiscriminate expansion of NATO has worsened our international security. That's the end of that story. I don't know what they think NATO is. Is it like AARP membership and you get discounts in the form of U.S. defense funds? It's crazy, this argument.

But then you got these guys who are either Russophobes or eternal Cold Warriors or deep strategic thinkers. You remember when [Paul] Wolfowitz wrote this article saying Russia had to be stripped of any possibility ever to be a great power again? These people were all talking like…

It goes back to your comparison with Japan in '45.

The question is why Clinton bought into this. That would then take you to Strobe Talbott. Strobe was a disciple of Isaiah Berlin, who taught that if you want to understand Russia, you have to understand the history, the culture and the civilization. And certainly if you took that view, you never would have done, as George Kennan said in 1996 or 1997, you never would have expanded NATO. I knew George during my 30 years at Princeton. George's social attitudes were deeply alarming, but about Russia he had a very important idea. Russia marches to its own drummer, let it, don't try to intervene or you'll make things worse. Be patient, understand Russian history, the forces in Russia. That was Isaiah Berlin's position. Once, that was Strobe's position. Look at Strobe Talbott today: We have to send in weapons and overthrow Putin and turn Russia around. Now it's all outside agency.

How did this guy go from A to B?

Well, they say power corrupts, or at least changes people. He had been Clinton's roommate at Oxford, and he ended up in the White House as a Russia aide, very smart guy. I think Russia disappointed him. One phenomenon among Russia-watchers is that you create an artifice, and that's your Russia. And when it disappoints you, you never forgive Russia. Check out Fred Hiatt at the Washington Post. Fred was writing from Moscow during the '90s that democracy was going to be great. So did most the guys who are now were still in editorial positions. Russia let them down. They can't forgive Russia anymore than they can the ex-wife who cheated on them. They can't think anew. It's a phenomenon, probably not only American, but it's particularly American. You cannot reopen any discussion with these people who bought into Yeltsin's Russia in the 1990s and were certain that though the road was rocky, as they liked to say… "Failed Crusade" is about this. They can't get over it.

Part of it also had to do with Yeltsin. He was so desperate, not only for American affirmation but for American affection. He was so insecure, as his health declined and he became more and more the captive of the oligarchs, that he wanted to mean as much to Washington as Gorbachev had. He was getting close to virtually giving Washington anything, saying anything, until the Serbian war. Then it dawned on him that Washington had a certain agenda, and the expansion of NATO [was part of it], but by then it was too late, he was a spent force.

Later, when Dmitri Medvedev was president [2008-12], I think, he told a group of people that Yeltsin hadn't actually won the election, that Gennadi Zyuganov, leader of the Communist Party, had. So assuming that Medvedev wasn't lying and assuming he was in a position to know, all this talk of American support for democracy, when it comes to Russia, at least, is, shall we say, complex.

Let's go to Putin. What is your view here? What is he trying to accomplish?

It's impossible to answer briefly or simply. This is a separate university course, this is a book, this is for somebody with a much bigger brain that I have. This really is for historians to judge.

I wrote an article in, I think, 2012 called the "The Demonization of Putin," arguing that there is very little basis for many of the allegations made against Putin, and that the net result was to make rational analysis in Washington on Russian affairs at home and abroad impossible, because it was all filtered through this demonization. If we didn't stop, I argued, it was only going to get worse to the point where we would become like heroin addicts at fix time, unable to think about anything except our obsession with Putin. We couldn't think about other issues. This has now happened fully. The article was turned down by the New York Times, and an editor I knew at Reuters published it on Reuters.com.

The history of how this came about [begins] when Putin came to power, promoted by Yeltsin and the people around Yeltsin, who were all connected in Washington. These people in Moscow included Anatoly Chubais, who had overseen the privatizations, had relations with the IMF and had fostered a lot of the corruption. He came to United States to assure us that Putin was a democrat, even though he had been at the KGB.

When he came to power, both the Times and the Post wrote that Putin was a democrat and, better yet, he was sober, unlike Yeltsin. How we got from 2000 to now, when he's Hitler, Saddam, Stalin, Gaddafi, everybody that we have to get rid of, whom we know killed Boris Nemtsov because from the bridge where Nemtsov was killed [on February 27] you can see the Kremlin…. Well, remember, Sarah Palin could see Russia from Alaska! It's preposterous. But the demonization of Putin has become an institution in America. It is literally a political institution that prevents the kind of discussion that you and I are having.

Kissinger had the same thought. He wrote, last year, I think, "The demonization of Putin is not a policy. It's an alibi for not having a policy." That's half correct. It's much worse now, because they did have a policy. I think the "policy" growing in some minds was how to get rid of Putin. The question is, "Do they have the capacity to make decisions?" I didn't think so, but now I'm not so sure, because in a lot of what comes out of Washington, including the State Department, the implication is that Putin has to go.

I asked a question rhetorically several years ago of these regime changers: Have you thought about what would happen in Russia in the event of regime change? If what you say is true, if Putin is the pivot of the whole system, you remove Putin the whole system collapses. Russia has every known weapon of mass destruction in vast quantities. What would be the consequence of that conceit on your part-that we're going to get rid of Putin-for the rest of the world?

So this Putin phenomenon has to be explained. How did he go from a democrat for sure, now to maybe the worst Russian leader since Ivan the Terrible. How do you explain it? Does that tell us more about Putin or more about us?

I think his sin is an unacceptable take on, broad-brush terms, Eastern ethos vs. Western ethos, and on narrower terms a rejection of a neoliberal economic regime in the Washington consensus style. Although he's got a lot to answer for, I think, in this respect, he's not an evangelist for what he's doing. What does he face domestically? What's he trying to do?

Let me tell you just briefly. When I ask Russians, they think the answer is American presidential envy. We've had a lot of unsuccessful presidents lately. Clinton left basically in disgrace, Bush left not beloved for the war that he had got us into and lied about, Obama is before our eyes a shrinking, failing president. And here's Putin, now in his 15th year of growing stature inside Russia.

And by the way, until recently the preeminent European statesman of his time, no doubt of this. In the 21st century, only Merkel can stand anywhere near him as a European statesman, whether you like what a statesman does or not. This, of course, changes everything. Not to take the famous cop-out, but let history judge. X number of years from now, when we've joined the majority, as Lenin used to say, historians will undoubtedly look back and do the pluses and minuses, and it's going to be a very close call.

For my short-term take on Putin, he was put in power to save the Yeltsin family from corruption charges, and the first decree he signed upon becoming acting president was to exempt the Yeltsin family from future prosecution. He has honored that, by the way. One of the beefs against Putin in Russia is that he's honorable to his friends and appointees to an extreme; he can't bring himself to fire anybody. He's got this KGB code of honor. I kind of like it. I'd rather that than people stab you in your back….

I operate under the assumption that no matter how or why people come to power, when in power they begin to ponder what their mission is, what history asks of them. For Putin it was quite clear: The Russian state had collapsed twice in the 20th century. Stop and think what that means. It had collapsed in the 1917 Revolution and the Soviet Union didn't collapse in 1991- it was plucked apart- but then the state collapsed and the result was what Russians call smuta, a time of troubles. It means misery; it means foreign invasion; it means civil war; it means that people fall into poverty. This is the Russia that Putin inherited. Remember, when he came to power in 2000, Russia was on the verge of collapsing for a third time as a result of Yeltsin's policies. The governors were corrupt, were not obeying the law, were not paying taxes, were running criminal fiefdoms in scores of regions. Russia was highly vulnerable, NATO was expanding, Russia had no influence in world affairs.

Putin comes to power and perceives that his first mission has to be to stop the collapse of the Russian state- which he calls the vertical, because Russia has always been governed from the top down, which has made it ungovernable because it's so big- and, most of all, to make sure it never, ever, ever happens again. In Russian history, the worst thing that can happen to Russia is smuta, when the state collapses. Stop and think: Between 1917 and 1991, it happened twice in the largest territorial country in the world. Is there any precedent for that in history? How a leader could come to power and not see that….

The second piece of this conversation will run next week.

Patrick Smith is the author of "Time No Longer: Americans After the American Century." He was the International Herald Tribune's bureau chief in Hong Kong and then Tokyo from 1985 to 1992. During this time he also wrote "Letter from Tokyo" for the New Yorker. He is the author of four previous books and has contributed frequently to the New York Times, the Nation, the Washington Quarterly, and other publications. Follow him on Twitter, @thefloutist.

More Patrick L. Smith.

Americans are like Legos, designed to be manipulated, used, to build structures whose existence is unknown to them. Part of the design is their incapacity to deal with an idea that would threaten the structure of which they are the fundamental element. And so we see in these comments the ingredients of the very plastic from which they are made: deflection, ad hominemism, demonization, etc. By the time they are finished the discussion will be about someone's character, or the exchange of speculative analyses of some historical event that didn't happen. The comments are a reduction in scale of what happens at the level of diplomacy and policy.

Smith an Cohen know this, and yet they carry on trying to educate and inform against great resistance. They have my respect.

fizzed

Since 1990, the US is the only nation that's faught wars against nations not on its border. Only the US has military bases nearly everywhere on earth. Only the US routinely violates nations' sovereignty, and we do so seemingly every week. We've even classified the number of nations we're bombing. And still, our hawks yearn for more. A recent world Gallup poll found that the world views us as the greatest threat to workd peace by a huge margin, Russia was 2nd by over 20 points. If, by some miracle, we've not become insane, it's impossible fo know because we've classified the evidence. Which may be itself evidence for insanity.

bandeapart

It's funny how people can't even say "I think Cohen is wrong about this." They have to say he's a "Putin apologist" or "on the Kremlin payroll." They're so offended that anyone could even suggest that Putin in 2015 isn't the contemporary equivalent of Hitler in 1938 that they have to resort to obvious falsehoods. That alone should tell you something: This demonization of Putin isn't about the facts.

It's also striking how many of the ideologues attacking Cohen, from Cathy Young to Anne Applebaum, are apologists for George W. Bush's illegal war of unprovoked aggression in Iraq.

(Sorry, posted the fragment below by accident and ran out of time to edit it.)

Jane Cullen

@bandeapart

It's also striking how many of the ideologues attacking Cohen, from Cathy Young to Anne Applebaum, are apologists for George W. Bush's illegal war of unprovoked aggression in Iraq.

Those warmongers are incapable of learning, even from recent disaster.

And this is what happens when Obama refused to prosecute Cheney, Wolfowitz, and the other monsters responsible for all of that destruction and death. Had we had the war crimes trials America desperately needed, even the tools on this very thread would have gotten a thorough education, and perhaps even a clue.

Lora

@PGrajnert @markwriter @Bitter Scribe It is naive , borderline stupid to think that Washington's aim is to defend the Baltics or former subservient Slavs from a Russian boot. Washington uses fear at home and abroad to reach one ultimate goal: economic gain (a.k.a. profit). Simplification some say, well Washington is not that complex just look who has been in charge in the past 40 years. US policies of late are obnoxiously primitive and transparent, but not to American audience.

mykry

Isn't it funny how Cohen thinks 'The New York Times basically rewrites whatever the Kiev authorities say' when he himself seems to shadow and echo the Kremlin narrative ad verbatim. Is Cohen not aware of the lack of independent Russian media portals and echo chambers (domestic and international) that are bought and paid for by the Kremlin? Does Mr. Cohen not see the distortion and disinformation he helps spread? If he does not, then his lack of objectivity makes him simply a Stalinist (or in this case Putinist) apologist. However, if he does, then he is certainly on the Russian payroll---in some form or another---and is no better than the Russian trolls residing in St. Petersburg.

stuinmich

@mykry baseless libel.

jsmith499

It's really amazing with people like Noam Chomsky become imperialists. Russia invades Chechnya, Georgia, now Ukraine, and it's all OK. So we should have invaded Cuba, or any other country nearby that decides to make a treaty with Russia or China. There are people who think that, but you have to go to some really extreme right wing xenophobic imperialistic new sites to find them. Who would have thought that the likes of Noam Chomsky (and someone like Patrick Smith) would become imperialists? I guess you think NATO is an empire ruled by the Pope or someone? Yeah, NATO is the Holly Roman Empire of neocons, right? Is that really what you think Patrick? It is one thing to be against neoconservatism, it is another to take your dislike of it so far that you become an imperialist, it's like something out of the 17th century.

jab670

@jsmith499

I agree with you.

Chomsky and Smith strike me as people who if they were Russians, living in Russia, they would be supporting the United States. They are natural dissenters to public opinion. That's a great thing to have, especially when it's well-researched and articulated.

The problem is that they cannot get past their American-centric views. It's always about what America is doing, to whom, and why. They excuse the actions of other countries as purely reactionary.

The truth is likely somewhere in between and overlapping with good, bad and survivalist intentions from both sides. And the truth is that with a globalized economy, this fading superpower (United States) and former superpower (Russia) are trying to maintain their polarity in this multipolarized world that no longer needs either of them, and their ideologies, to survive.

Lora

@jsmith499 Invading Cuba? You have tried and failed, killing Castro? You have tried and failed. You got your fav. pres. shot for failing so many times to return investments to US mafia. NATO is a tool and it is used by IMF and Washington for one ultimate goal: economic advantage. Your childish arguments reveal how incapable you are at analysis. Read what informed people are writing and grow intellectually by accepting the shades of gray in RL. This is not discussion about baseball.

Pacific Blue

What is it about the threat of putting an op-positional military alliance at the doorstep of a potential adversary that the America does not get? Would we tolerate a federation of Soviet alliances to put troops, missiles, armaments, missile defense systems, and nukes in Canada and Mexico aimed primarily at all of the US major cities.

Please people. Get some sense. Drunken Yeltsin let Bill Clinton humiliate Russia by expanding NATO into countries like Poland and Hungary after the US previously promised Gorbachev that they would not do so. Putin is a different animal.

He knows that what happened in the Ukraine was engineered by neo-cons. He knows we can't be trusted (thank you Bill Clinton). He saw our attempt to get our fingers into Georgia. Remember John McCain's "We're all Georgians now." He knows that the NATO alliance is waiting to bring the Ukraine into their fold both economically and militarily. He's drawn a red line and said, "No more."

We'd be wise to heed it and back off. Russia has her back against the wall and it's dangerous for us to keep playing this game of empire with such a country.

markwriter

@Pacific Blue I don't think making an argument that the US should back away out of fear of an unstable Russia is the best one to make for the pacifist viewpoint. If that's what this is.

fizzed

The argument is not that anyone is unstoppable. Rather, it's that we seem to have forgotten MAD. Russia and the US are the world's only nations capable of destroying the planet in s few hours, We used to know the dangers and the necessary protocals, things we must have forgot to teach our current generation in gradeschool history.

Even in conventional wars the US hasn't won anything since WW2, but we leave unimaginable misery in our wake and excell at creating enemies with our continuous wars. Can anyone give a rational explanation to US foreign policy since 1995?

brucewhain

Are they talking about William Randolph Hearst? Hearst was a pacifist, certainly vis-a-vis Roosevelt's military assistance to Russia starting back in the 30's, and all the subversive influence behind him - and Churchill.

The point is our State Department - anyone with half a brain - knew from the beginning what Russia's reaction would be if we installed this new (sleazebag) government in Ukraine. It's our inheritance from England's Lower Danube Policy, and it's stupid, criminal, suicidal for both the named combatants.

Any action to bring about the Ukraine "regime change" of 2014, as with practically all our regime-change-actions over the long haul, including that dispatching Hitler, have been criminally motivated.

bandeapart

@brucewhain I think they're referring to Hearst's role in whipping up war fever prior to the Spanish-American War.

Jane Cullen

US forces are now operating in Ukraine, not that the MSM cares. The troops real function is to act as a tripwire for war.

Led by blind Neocons, we are that aggressive, that stupid, that suicidal.

http://www.stripes.com/news/us-paratroops-convoy-to-western-ukraine-for-training-mission-1.339858

jab670

@Jane Cullen

They are about 800 miles from the eastern front. American troops in Ukraine is a small step of provocation, but you're carelessly misrepresenting the truth.

Jane Cullen

@jab670

So Russian paratroops, in an unstable, civil-warring Mexico, would be "a small step of provocation", eh?

Nothing to worry about. Nothing at all.

jab670

@Jane Cullen @jab670

Did I say nothing to worry about? Again, you distort the truth. If we are looking to equate things, then the truthful claim is that the are Russian paratroopers on the border of Guatemala, across the entire country from our southern border, who are training Mexicans.

It's a concern, but I would not be so careless to imply they are near the battlefields, nor would I (unlike you) deny that there are covert American soldiers fighting in Mexico to destabilize, let's say Tijuana and Ciudad Juarez.

Jack Hughes

The problem with US foreign relations -- especially with countries perceived as "adversaries" such as Russia and Iran -- is that we neglect to consider their point-of-view.

Worse, we neglect to consider that they might even have a point-of-view that differs from our own.

This is usually the result of the idiotic concept of "American exceptionalism" that presupposes that we are always good and that therefore our opponents are, by definition, bad -- instead of simply pursuing what they perceive as rational self-interest.

This is a childish worldview that guarantees conflict.

How would we react if the Russians were establishing military ties with Canada and Mexico? Would we react differently than the Iranians if other countries demanded that we eliminate our nuclear industries or be subject to trade embargoes or military action?
Jane Cullen 2 days ago

@spriddler

US and NATO military forces do not belong on Russia's borders, any more than Russian forces belongs on ours.

Neocon apologists want the US sphere of influence to span the globe, while Russia's sphere has been shrunk to nothing. That's not paranoia, that's recent history.

Jane Cullen

@spriddler

The alleged "wants" of a subset of Ukranians do not come close to justifying the risk of global thermonuclear war.

But get back to the root of the problem - the US sponsored coup of Feb, 2014, and ongoing US support of Ukrainian neo-Nazis. Because, you cannot explain those things away on the basis of nebulous Ukrainian "wants".

What explains those things is the Neocons' PNAC agenda (look it up). Jane Cullen

@markwriter

https://consortiumnews.com/2014/02/23/neocons-and-the-ukraine-coup/

markwriter

@Jane Cullen @markwriter Aha. This is all based on that secretly taped and released (by Russia) conversation between US diplomats. The conversation was about trying to prevent a hero boxer with no expertise from becoming a senior political leader of the uprising, amidst a general tone of trying to catch up to events on the ground, including the UN wanting to step in to mediate as well.

The US certainly was in favor of what was happening, we can agree upon that. But the uprising and eventual coup was organic and a direct result of the government's violent action and killing of its own citizens.

To call it US (or UN, for that matter) 'sponsored' is inaccurate and is a deliberate word chosen on purpose to evoke comparisons to other US blunders and the 'neo-cons running amok' narrative, some of which you might be surprised to learn I would agree with.

I would close with this: although I completely disagree with the "sponsored" designation, bringing up that taped call is relevant for this discussion, kudos.


ComradeRoger

@Jane Cullen @spriddler Jane, you lose all credibility when you blather on about a 'coup' inKiev while totally ignoring the actual coups that happened in Crimea, Donetsk, Luhansk and Slavyansk at the hands of Russian forces.


You are just a typical Kremlin propagandist, perhaps even one of the paid ones judging from your posts.

Jane Cullen

@ComradeRoger

Ah hah. I'm a Kremlin propagandist.

In decades past, the likes of you called antiwar activists pinkos, Reds, commies. A decade ago, anyone opposing the Neocons was called a Saddam apologist.

I wear your absurd personal attack as a badge of honor.

Jane Cullen

@macnic1

A random Rocky & His Friends ep has more intelligence and insight than Obama's State Dept plus both houses of Congress.

Lora

@ComradeRoger How many coups one country can have? Lol.

Jane Cullen

@spriddler

No, the issue is whether we risk GTW in fealty to the PNAC agenda.

Pacific Blue

@spriddler @Jane Cullen Well the problem is the Ukrainians want different things. Isn't that what the conflict is all about. First they had an election and then they had a coup. Then they had an election in which the opposition opted out.

Some Ukrainians want to break away from Ukraine. Besides, you're underestimating the amount of manipulation occurring on both sides of the conflict.

We have outside forces on both sides meddling in the Ukraine but I'll tell you this. Russia has much more at stake than we do.

jab670

@Pacific Blue @spriddler @Jane Cullen

I need to celebrate your knowledge! You're the first person who understands this break in Ukraine (something Smith and Cohen forget, since neither are Ukrainian scholars).

However, I will argue they do not want to separate Ukraine, even though the west has historical ties to Poland and Austria-Hungary, and the east and south has ties to Russia (and Turkey).

90% of Ukrainians, including those in the east, want to stay Ukrainians. If they wanted to be Russians, they could have easily immigrated there long ago (as the second-largest nationality in Russia is Ukrainian).

In many ways, it's like the old North and South or liberal and conservative views of America. They have their own views of what America is and the will of its people. Perhaps it would have been beneficial to allow the ideological break in America to occur. Similar to the old American North, Russia is far more willing to see the country split than we are.

It's a difficult question where both sides have some merit. But Russia has shown with its breakaway regions in Moldova, Georgia, Azerbaijan and now Crimea, they do not take care of them. Maybe it's a complete disregard, maybe its corruption in the government, and maybe it's a poor economy that cannot afford to finance the size of its territory. A problem America has with its own infrastructure across the country.

Lora

@spriddler @Jane Cullen Wait a second are we living in the same World? How did you deduced from a small radical Maidan protest helped by US what all Ukranians want? Ukrainians have expressed their will through elections, no not the traveling circus that put Poroshenko in charge the real elections before. Amazing isn't it that a bunch of American ignoramuses proclaim they know what Ukrainians want. (shakes it's head)

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@ComradeRoger

The Neocon aggression in Ukraine is absolutely unprecedented, and Norway is in no way equivalent to Ukraine, sitting as it is next to the heart of Russia, and containing Russia's main port to the Atlantic.

But I'm sure that you'll be proud of your lobbying for war, those few minutes between the WEA alert on your cell phone, and the end of all you know.

markwriter

As best as I can tell, Cohen's arguments are:

Russia has collapsed twice and almost 3 times in the last 100 years, and is ungovernable except by ruthless central control since any other governing system leads to an immediate threat of the internal disintegration of the country.

Therefore, the US should have realized it was forbidden from engaging with countries that have suffered due to Russia and are terrified by it, because of Russia's secret feelings that it's falling apart.

Furthermore, intervening in the Balkans against genocide was a terrible mistake because Serbians share the same church or something with Russia, and it threatened Russia.

And, according to Cohen, Ukraine was the final straw in this disastrous US policy of trying to pay attention in Europe. The Maidan protests against overwhelming corruption should be completely discredited because it responded in kind when some protesters were killed, and... fascism.

The conflict in eastern Ukraine is being fought by hero hairdressers and taxi drivers. The efforts by the Ukrainian government to respond are war crimes.

Merkel, the German leader, is responsible for Greece, and therefore is another misguided leader who dangerously threatens Russia by refusing to push her "Kiev agrees to Minsk II" button that's on her desk. The fact that the agreement has a "II" in its title because the first one a few months ago was untenable within the first day is immaterial.

Russia is always allowed to disappoint, because Russia. Smart scholars like myself, Stephen Cohen, know this is so, and know how to move on. By the way, I have no idea about Putin except that he's somehow holding his country together, one day at a time, just doing what he has to do.

Man, that Putin, he's so unknowable and loving to his friends. My god, compare him to Obama who doesn't even know how to circumvent term limit protections! I think he's one of the best, and all my future imaginary historian friends agree with me. You'll see when you can listen to them too.


Stuart Forrest

The core problem with this interview, and the many articles making similar points, is that they start from an assumption that the perspectives and feelings of Russians matter more than those of the people living in the nations that used to be in the Warsaw Pact but now are in NATO or would like to be in NATO.

The people of Poland, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, etc. have resisted Russian influence for centuries. For most of that time, they have ruled themselves and associated with western Europe or, in the case of Poland, tried to do so. These ties run deep; for example, their dominant churches have been Roman Catholic; not Eastern Orthodox.

The same is true for the western half of Ukraine. It is culturally part of western Europe and has been for a very long time.

Given centuries of conflict with Russia and their natural affinity with the nations of NATO, it is not wrong for western European people to want to belong to NATO. Nor was it wrong for NATO to expand to include these nations after the end of the Warsaw Pact.

Russia's hurt feelings here, for the most part, are grounded in the loss of its expanded sphere of influence after WWII. There are two ways of viewing this: maybe Russia fears another invasion from the West; or perhaps Russia is upset that it's former client states prefer to associate with their historical allies and patrons. If it is the former, then the USA and NATO need to do more to make it clear that they will not attack Russia. If it is the latter, however, then it is right for the West to disregard Russia's hurt feelings.

Although there may be a good deal of truth in what Stephen Cohen and Patrick L Smith write regarding the treatment of Russia by the West, and by the USA in particular, their argument largely fails because it does not explain why Russia legitimately fears an invasion from the West. If, indeed, Russia does have such a fear instead of just bemoaning the loss of influence it never legitimately had.

jab670

@Stuart Forrest

A voice of moderate reason! Rather than viewing this as either/or, I'd assume that all the claims about Russia and United States are correct. Russia does feel a loss of influence, Russia does fear a military threat, and Russia does dislike Ukraine's interest in affiliating with the West. United States does want to expand influence, United States does want to remove corruption from Ukraine, and United States does want a strategic location against both Russia and the Middle East. There's also probably a corporate element too, where corporations want to open markets in Ukraine and find the corruption too infringing on this ability to expand, so they lobby western governments to intervene.

There's also something revealing about Putin's past claim that "Ukraine is not a real country." It's borders and its peoples have been re-drawn and forced to migrate dramatically over the last 100 years. So, it's easy to see how Russia feels claim over Ukraine, especially when one is raised under the Soviet Union as a brotherhood. But, the fact is that Ukraine is now a country in its own right.

To me, Russia and United States' biggest failings over Ukraine was not foreseeing (or for political reasons, willing choose) potential conflict. Ukraine should have immediately, after banishing Yanukovych, moved to model itself after Canada (who balances French and English backgrounds) and militarily & diplomatically commit to neutrality like Switzerland.

author0072002

I am the person with Russian background , who came to the uSA for good in spring of 1990. I am american citizen, I have no Russian citizenship, as, when I immigrated it was required to denounce Soviet citizenship. I am intelligent (two Ph.Ds.) and I am unbiased. So, the truth and, the very obvious one, is that Clinton's policies and what happened further, brought to the world the much heavier than before shape of cold war between two most powerful nuclear country of the world.

I like Putin, like his understanding of his duties, his role in world's history, and his code of behavior. More important that the overwhelming majority of Russians like him also, as all polls show. I can write a lot of how idiotically I have been treated here, in the USA. But i've been here for 25 years, the treatment has been fully idiotic and very damageable for those, who were treating me this way, and I do not have here enough space to describe even a little bit of this despicable stupidity.

What I want, nevertheless, to emphasize, is that I completely can't understand how democrats could, currently even think, not even advertise, that Mrs. Clinton, one of main architect of Clinton's time international policies, if not the leading person of them, should become their nominee for 2016 presidential run. This person is heavily responsible for the obvious return and the heavy escalation of the cold war, not mentioning her numerous internal achievements. How is it possible AT ALL to present her as the future nominee, ah?

nyabingi

@author0072002 My sentiments exactly. There are American officials and other well-connected people who are obsessed with making Russia another client state in much the same way the Baltic states are now: An outlet for American goods and a source of cheap labor, lax environmental laws and other sorts of exploitation, and outposts for the expansion of American military power (via NATO).

Putin has always acted to American provocations in a calm, measured manner and I think it drives the American powers-that-be insane. Hillary Clinton was a very hawkish secretary of state and all indications are that she will act similarly if we are unfortunate enough to see her elected president.

Jane Cullen


@nyabingi

The Megathatcher has compared Putin to Hitler, and to Saddam. The woman is a dangerous fool.
She will push, hard, for war with Russia, if the world hasn't already burned by the time she's elected.

jab670

@Jane Cullen @nyabingi

Finally something we agree on.

Aranfell

@Jane Cullen @nyabingi Now, who was it who said "Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran"? Who STILL wants to bomb Iran? Who opposes diplomatic solutions. Republicans. It's really crazed to think voting for a Republican President is the path to peace with ANYONE.

jab670

@Aranfell @Jane Cullen @nyabingi

Neither mainstream party has offered an acceptable candidate. Maybe I could conceivably take some of the tolerable positions from each of the candidates and create a Frankenstein Republocrat to vote for, but our choices in 2016 make me want to write in Nader.

Aranfell

@author0072002 I'm sorry to hear that you've been treated badly in the USA. Even someone who likes the way Putin governs shouldn't be treated badly. But my question for YOU is: why would you vote for someone whose response to other countries not doing what they want is to bomb or invade them?

Those are your ONLY choices on the Republican side. Don't confuse their admiration for "tough guys" like Putin as any sort of support for Russia. And if you are still being treated badly, why would you vote for a party that brags about being hostile to immigrants?

RaisingMac

@Aranfell @author0072002 Where in his post did he endorse any Republicans? He didn't even mention them.

Aranfell

@RaisingMac @Aranfell @author0072002 He can't believe the Democrats would nominate Hilary Clinton. But so far as I can tell, EVERY Republican who might be nominated is much more of a war-monger than Hilary, even assuming that his claims about her are correct. That's my point. Does he really think that US policy toward Russia would have been or will be friendlier with a Republican as President? If so, I'd sure be interested in his reasoning.

RaisingMac

@author0072002 I am sorry to hear about how you have been treated in the US. You've probably been here long enough by now to realize that Democrats and Republicans really aren't all that different on foreign policy (among other things). The main differences have to do with culture-war.

Your old USSR was a one-party state; our USSA is a one-and-half-party state. Sad, but that's how it is.

susan sunflower

Would that more people felt this way: "" People are diverse. I don't judge them harshly for their beliefs.""

The elephant in the living room seems to be that we are hell-bent for regime change -- via the usual method that fails time and time again -- economic sanctions, destroying the economy in the belief that "the people" will force him out.

Didn't work in Iraq, didn't work with Iran, probably won't work in Russian if only because the BRICS will not let it succeed. No one knows who's next. The poorly-thought-through demonization of Putin is reminiscent of our character assassinations of Assad, Hussain, Karzai, Maliki, Kim Jong II, etc. - all "bad men" who we discovered were not actually easy to replace. Too many fingers in too many pies.

Kyeshinka

The Times has never gotten it right about Russia. Not once. I can still hear Thomas Friedman telling us that Yeltsin giving trillions in state assets the oligarchs is good for capitalism. Those old Stalin ladies on the street selling packs of Prima cigarettes for a ruble apiece to pay skyrocketing electric bills should just deal with it. They would never, ever vote for someone who promised to put a stop to the whole thing and take on the West.

Philadelphia Steve

I do not doubt the lies from Kiev. But using War Criminal Henry Kissinger as a source is about as reliable as using Bill Kristol.

susan sunflower

@Philadelphia Steve I think the original quote -- which I cannot find -- was that the problem was that Obama has a "stance" wrt Russia and Putin, but lacked a policy ... which at the time seemed a very good way to describe various gesture-like reactions by Obama to Putin and escalating sanctions on Putin's "inner circle"... very whack-a-mole ...

Possibly because Obama was cowardly avoiding having a stated policy (see other F.P. situations) or because (my personal guess) serious lack of consensus among his various advisors and advising agencies (see also Syria). It has seemed as if Nuland has prevailed simply by ad hoc actions taken (See Cohen on the Obama/Putin deal struck on the eve of the ouster). Both Susan Rice and Samantha Power are at the top of the best reasons not consider voting for Clinton ... and their silence (and apparent recent low profile generally) on the Ukranian humanitarian crisis (and god knows the Syrian/Iraqi humanitarian crisis.... etc.) is stunning as Cohen brought up. Obama also apparently has a stance on R2P, but not a policy that might force his hand or limit his "flexibility" -- end whack-a-mole -- for something with a goal or end-point, y'know coherent or decisive.

(see Seumas Milne's recent report on our remote control continuing wars).

nyabingi

@PGrajnert He quoted Kissinger in one instance, and you're assuming he's basing his "analysis of history" on that? Quoting someone isn't the same as saying you agree with that person or their actions 100%. Calm down man.

Adams

@jab670 @Jane Cullen @battleaxe "Russia is likely encouraging a destabilized/breakaway territory..." Yes, as the US of A encouraged the destabilization and overthrow of the elected government of Ukraine, no?

"Russian military are operating in eastern Ukraine." Yes, as the US of A is operating overtly and covertly in Ukraine, no?

ComradeRoger

@Adams The US military is there at the invitation of the Ukrainian government.

That would hardly be covert, now would it?

jab670

@Adams @jab670 @Jane Cullen @battleaxe

Why is it with you folks who have to always make it a "Yes, but you..." argument.

The United States doesn't benefit from destabilization as Russia does. The reason? We don't share a border with Ukraine. We actually need the opposite, which has benefited from the destabilization Russia and separatists have caused in the east.

Look at political, historical, religious, linguistic, etc. maps of Ukraine and you'll see that with Donetsk and Lugansk's regions' voices being diminished due to violence, and now the exclusion of Crimea, the Ukrainian government is actually more stabile and more pro-western aligned.

Of course, there are many fractured between pro-western and pro-Ukrainian nationalist factions, but the notion America would want destabilization is no represented by the facts. It IS troubling though. It is America post-Civil War where the South's electoral power was greatly diminished. It is undemocratic. It's a "chicken or the egg" situation until violence stops, which can only happen with granting the east more autonomy, but the Ukrainian government cannot do that at gun point.

Jane Cullen

@Adams

I'm not laughing, I'm mocking.

Sadly, the reference will be lost on most of the authoritarians who applaud the latest, suicidal Cold War with Russia, because a Democratic State Dept is leading the charge.

Nicholai

As a Russian, I should say that Mr. Cohen's understanding of "cause - effect" dependency, in application to present U.S.-RF tensions, is clear and logical.

Mr.Cohen tries to stay focused on the main confrontation line. Obviously, there are dozens and dozens of issues directly or indirectly related.

Like "what is the present U.S. representative system and why is it called "democracy?"

In my view, we have a conflict between the U.S. plutocracy and the Russian national state.

However. Expanding the discussion to the level of institutions would be too much for this format. So Mr. Cohen is trying to avoid such issues.

The same way the author doesn't mention the world outside Russia and U.S + 32 U.S.-aligned national states.

I liked this aspect - staying focused.

And I will be waiting for Part Two.

I am truly intrigued how Mr. Cohen is going to assess president Putin.

Brian Burman

In the past three days, three opposition figures have been murdered in Kiev, two journalists and one ex-MP. Comparing the total lack of media coverage of these (and a whole wave of "suicides" of opposition figures in the past months) to the front page headline coverage of the Nemtsov murder in Moscow shows the complete double standard of the Western media. The NY Times isn't writing that even if he didn't give the orders, Poreshenko is personally responsible for creating an "atmosphere" in which journalists can be gunned down in the streets. It's much easier to ignore it, because it doesn't fit the media narrative of a democratic, Western-striving Ukraine. It's like only Russia is allowed to be bad in that part of the world. And as Cohen says, that's OUR problem, because the corrupt, oligarch-run Kiev regime is propped up with US tax dollars and EU money in the name of democracy. Meanwhile, Ukraine's parliament passed a law proclaiming the Ukrainian Nazi-collaborators in WWII (who murdered hundreds of thousands of people) to be "freedom-fighters", as Kiev (and the US) continues arming neo-Nazi battalions and sending them to kill Ukrainians. By turning a blind eye, the West is helping foster and nurture, as well as funding these fascist tendencies in Europe, all in the name of Western values. If that's what they lead to, those Western values aren't worth much.

PGrajnert

@C_COOK @Frank Knarf You are correct that our US-led system suck. But that does not take away the fact that living under Muscovite rule sucks more. It'd be great for the EU to get our sh-t together and create an alternative... But until that's the case, we have to chose sides. And Patrick and Stephen, cowards who have never lived under the Muscovite boot, are simpleton scumbags for thinking that people should be forced to.

Jane Cullen


@PGrajnert

So those few speaking up against more Neocon war are cowards, and simpleton scumbags.Sounds exactly like the filthy slurs used against those few who stood up to Neocon war against Iraq.

The immorality of the Neocon warpigs who brought death and dismemberment to Iraq is the same now as then, as is the immorality of their chickenhawk enablers.

jab670

@Aranfell @Proteusar

There's a tremendous abuse of the facts by all media on Ukraine, including Russian, Ukrainian and American media. Cohen offers a good perspective, but it's only a Russian perspective. But the media is failing us because they keep turning to Russian scholars. Would Russia report on the United States by talking to a Mexican scholar? It can tell part of the story, but you never hear Smith or Cohen mention the historic divide in Ukraine between East and West.

usxpat

Puleeeze. Enough of the Bull$hit already.

I know I am probably a conspiracy theorist, but here goes.

When one looks at the American empire one must think of it in terms of economics, like the British empire before it. This empire isn't run primarily for military purposes, or for other purposes, but to make money. It is run as a huge project to export money from places with less power to the US. At the end of the cold war the former Soviet Union found itself in the position of having natural resources and being in a subservient position.

Remember Marc Rich http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Rich ? I remember he had many dealing with the Russians. This allowed the US to diminish its dependence on South Africa resources and probably contributed to South Africa's collapse. I suspect that this could happen because Russian governmental leadership supported the Russian oligarchy and gave western businessmen a small cadre of Russian businessmen to negotiate with. I suspect Yeltsen supplied these relatively easy connections and they had the same deal with Putin. And now those Western businessmen would like access to Russian oil. Especially now that the Middle East is going pear shaped thanks to Bush the Junior.

The American reaction to that time period is best summed up by Jeffery Sachs book which has a chapter on the American intervention in the Russian economy after his success in the Polish economy. That chapter is unsatisfyingly short and goes something like, the Russian economy was way too complex and I failed because it is impossible to understand.

I think he ran into American/Russian forces that were way more powerful than he, and that they were rushing to the money and ran he and his team over.

I would be very interested in someone writing more about this time period in Salon. I suspect that these writings would help people understand many of today's attitudes driving politics in the the region, and specifically attitudes driving Putin.

I also remember vaguely a story about a Russian female banker working for one of the major US banks who was in effect laundering money and how she was caught. I bet she was getting money out for the oligarchs. Her story would also be interesting.

susan sunflower

""The history of how this came about [begins] when Putin came to power, promoted by Yeltsin and the people around Yeltsin, who were all connected in Washington. These people in Moscow included Anatoly Chubais, who had overseen the privatizations, had relations with the IMF and had fostered a lot of the corruption. He came to United States to assure us that Putin was a democrat, even though he had been at the KGB.""

I was utterly shocked by the PBS/Frontline report stating baldly that "the Kremlin" -- the FSB from Wiki:

"" The blasts hit Buynaksk on 4 September, Moscow on 9 September and 13 September and Volgodonsk on 16 September. A similar explosive device was found and defused in an apartment block in the Russian city of Ryazan on September 22.[1] The next day then-Prime Minister of Russia Vladimir Putin praised the vigilance of the inhabitants of Ryazan and ordered the air bombing of Grozny, which marked the beginning of the Second Chechen War.[2] A few hours later, three FSB agents who had planted this device were arrested by the local police. The incident was declared to be a training exercise. These events led to allegations that the bombings were a "false flag" attack perpetrated by the FSB in order to legitimize the resumption of military activities in Chechnya and bring Vladimir Putin to power.[4]

The Russian investigation concluded on the other hand:

"" The official Russian investigation of the bombings was completed in 2002 and concluded that all the bombings were organized and led by Achemez Gochiyaev, who remains at large, and ordered by Islamist warlords Ibn Al-Khattab and Abu Omar al-Saif, who have been killed. Five other suspects have been killed and six have been convicted by Russian courts on terrorism-related charges.

Yury Felshtinsky, Alexander Litvinenko, Boris Berezovsky, David Satter, Boris Kagarlitsky, Vladimir Pribylovsky, and the secessionist Chechen authorities claimed that the 1999 bombings were a false flag attack coordinated by the FSB in order to win public support for a new full-scale war in Chechnya, which boosted Prime Minister and former FSB Director Vladimir Putin's popularity, and brought the pro-war Unity Party to the State Duma and Putin to the presidency within a few months. This theory has been criticized byRobert Bruce Ware, Henry Plater-Zyberk, and Simon Saradzhyan.""

It's pretty shocking to me -- myself having mixed feelings about Chechnya until Beslan (2004) and as I recall at that time there was no suggestion that the apartment bombing and Chechen suppression had been a "false flag" to put Putin into power -- rather that he had shown impressive leadership. ... Wikipedia has even more conspiracies within conspiracies that make 09/11 Truther Movement's main tenets appear boy-scout simple

Am I remembering wrong? As far as I can tell, there was a drastic sea change -- likely spurred by the death/assassination of

Alexander Litvinenko, but involving allegations from that camp apparently dating back to 1998.

{wiki Litinenko: "In 2007, Sergey Dorenko provided The Associated Press and The Wall Street Journal with a complete copy of an interview he conducted in April 1998 for ORT, a television station, with Litvinenko and his fellow employees."" }

I am at a loss to understand that "honeymoon" period Cohen speaks of in light of what I what I would guess was freely shared intelliegence by Putin's rivals (including the late Mr. Nemtsov --- widely interview in the Frontline prior to his death -- who as I recall lost-out-to Putin -- also back in 1998). It feels like the Russian people don't buy into this false flag conspiracy somehow only gained currency 5-6 years after the event, despite claimed "evidence" almost immediately.

Putin is getting the Saddam Hussain treatment in which the past cooperation and applause is erased in favor of a damning portrait of a ruthless murderer to rival the Borgias, etc. -- or as Cohen references Ivan the Terrible. As I felt wrt to the Truther movement, It's really "something" to accuse a sitting administration of the deliberate murder of hundreds or thousands of citizens for political gain ... I'm fascinated by the repetition of "Putin's alleged crimes" -- seems so reckless.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_apartment_bombings

susan sunflower

Oh, and the martyred Litvinenko also claimed Beslan was another false flag ... making him sound like Thierry Meyssan or something ... Unified theory of everything

wiki Beslan

"Several hostage-takers, including one of the leaders, Vladimir Khodov had been previously involved in terrorist activities, but released from government custody prior to the attack despite their high profiles. According to a publication in Novaya Gazeta, "the so-called Beslan terrorists were agents of our own special forces – UBOP [Center for Countering Extremism] and FSB."[236] According to FSB defector Alexander Litvinenko, the Russian secret services must have been aware of the plot beforehand, and therefore they themselves must have organised the attack as a false flag operation. He said that the previously arrested terrorists only would have been freed if they were of use to the FSB, and that even in the case that they were freed without being turned into FSB assets, they would be under a strict surveillance regime that would not have allowed them to carry out the Beslan attack unnoticed"

In for a penny, in for a pound. Looking forward to next week -- Thank you Patrick ...

The BBC has been ramping up the alarm for the last few days wrt to the imminent entire breakdown of that oh-so-imperfect cease fire which has already exceeded everyone's dire predictions at its inception.

Hifisnock

If you've read Cohen before, there won't be any surprises here. He obviously has a valid point in reference to the US overplaying it's hand in the Ukraine and generally with the expansion of NATO. It was clumsy and shortsighted thinking to believe a former (now-semi) superpower wouldn't respond to our attempt at militarizing its borders.

On the flip side, the author complains about Cohen being branded 'Putin's apologist', but Cohen rarely delves into Putin's failures as a leader. And Cohen's bugle call that were on the edge of a 'more dangerous Cold War' is pure talking-head hyperbole. The world has changed a bit since the last Cold War and most of that change has diminished Russia's ability to project power. Unfortunately, with Putin in charge for the foreseeable future, we are left with tried and true 'containment' as our best policy going forward. Pushing beyond containment just plays into Putin's hands and makes him appear a 'strong' leader at home (and to Fox News).

susan sunflower

@Hifisnock Have you factored TPP in your calculations? Between TPP and TIPP, we're doing our damnedest to lock Russia in and out ... and we're actively courting China and India -- Pretty chilly

wp: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2015/02/06/trade-partnerships-are-an-opportunity-not-to-be-missed/

obviously this article thinks both are Tony Tiger grrrreaaaat ... but there's no subtlety

""First, Russian aggression is an unpleasant balance of power problem that is unlikely to go away any time soon. TTIP isn't a panacea, but it would strengthen the West's balance of power position. It would help European economies grow, provide more opportunities for European companies to turn from Russia to the United States and enhance the prospects for further trans-Atlantic economic policy coordination. The United States and its European allies need to prepare for more rounds of economic sanctions against Russia in the near term, and they have to build a stronger, more united economic front for the long haul.

Second, turning to the Pacific, the rise of China is the great balance of power challenge of our time. The TPP isn't a Pacific panacea, but it is an important part of the equation. It would reinforce the United States' position in the region and provide strategic reassurance to the many Asia-Pacific countries that worry about China's rise – that is, everyone except North Korea. It would be a new, strong multilateral accord in a region that very much needs more multilateral frameworks. These would be stability-enhancing developments.""

RaisingMac

@susan sunflower @Hifisnock Yes, TPP and TTIP are more or less transparent schemes to lock down Europe and East Asia before they drift into the Russo-Chinese orbit. That's why they both exclude Russia and China.

[Apr 17, 2015] Graham Allison on World War I, Ukraine and Realism

Apr 17, 2015 | The National Interest
https://youtu.be/hR3HakDTlLo?list=UUgp3Ipjacu00pea4DD1bU_w

Please Note: The following is a note from The National Interest's Editor, Jacob Heilbrunn.

Graham Allison, the Douglas Dillon professor of government and Director of the Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs at Harvard's Kennedy School and a member of the National Interest's Advisory Council, has enjoyed a long and distinguished career both in academia and government. His accomplishments include his landmark book Essence of Decision, a study of the Cuban missile crisis as well as serving as assistant secretary of defense for policy and plans in the Clinton administration. His approach to realism in foreign policy -- a habit of thought that he calls an "endangered species" -- is grounded in a practical and hardheaded understanding of international affairs. As he notes in this interview, it was Henry Kissinger who profoundly influenced his thinking. Other Harvard professors who helped shape his thinking include Samuel Huntington and Ernest May, both of whom were keen students of history and international relations.

In his numerous essays and books, Allison focuses on statesmanship -- averting and ending crises. His most recent book, together with Robert D. Blackwill, consists of extended interviews with Lee Kuan Yew, the former leader of Singapore who, as Kissinger puts it in a foreword, is "not only one of the seminal leaders of our period, but also a thinker recognized for his strategic acumen."

Currently, Allison is completing a book on what he calls the Thucydides Trap -- the moment when an established power is challenged by a rising one, as, for example, Wilhelmine Germany sought to surpass the British empire with calamitous results both for itself and the rest of Europe. Indeed, with a number of contributions to the National Interest web site, Allison has examined the legacy of World War I for contemporary events, asking whether the crisis in Ukraine might, as the Balkans once did, presage a larger and even more sanguinary conflict that could menace the very foundations of the Western world that has existed since the end of World War II. It's an unsettling thought. But then again, Allison is a provocative thinker who is rarely satisfied with what passes for conventional wisdom in Washington, DC or elsewhere.

In the lively and engaging interview above, he discusses his understanding of how the past may shape the present, the deep impression left upon him by Kissinger, and what lessons World War I and the Cuban missile crisis may offer. Perhaps most provocatively, he dismisses the notion that President Obama has failed in foreign policy, withholding great praise for Obama but also noting that he disagrees with the prescriptions offered by leading neoconservatives. Nuanced, cogent, meditative -- these are all adjectives that might be appropriately applied to Allison, who knows that simple truculence cannot substitute for discerning diplomacy when conducting foreign affairs.

Articles by Graham Allison

Vladimir Putin's Dicey Dilemma: Russia Stands at a Fateful Fork in the Road

Despite the Obama administration's narrative of a Russia that is not a player in global affairs -- Moscow matters. Yet, major challenges remain if the Ukraine crisis remains unresolved.

Graham Allison Is America on the ISIS Hit List?

"To whom does ISIS pose the most imminent and even existential threat?"

Graham Allison Graham Allison on World War I, Ukraine and Realism

TNI's editor speaks with Harvard's Graham Allison.

Graham Allison How to Solve the Ukraine Crisis

"If Ukraine is to have a chance to succeed as a modern nation, it will require a degree of acceptance and cooperation from Russia as well as its Western neighbors."

Graham Allison Could the Ukraine Crisis Spark a World War?

We should not forget that in 1914, the possibility that the assassination of an Archduke could produce a world war seemed almost inconceivable.

Graham Allison Good News From Ukraine: It Doesn't Have Nukes

Looking back at Kiev's risky, carefully negotiated decision to give up its nuclear weapons after it escaped the Soviet Union.

Graham Allison A "Belgian Solution" for Ukraine?

"Given the reality that is Ukraine today, an internationally-recognized neutral state within its current borders would be a victory for all."

Graham Allison Putin's Olympic Gamble

A report from Sochi.

Graham Allison 2014: Good Year for a Great War?

Prospects for peace seemed to be looking up in 1913, as in 2013. What are the chances we're wrong again?

Graham Allison An Interview with Graham Allison

A conversation on the Syria deal, Russia's power, the Iran overtures, and more.

Graham Allison Lee Kuan Yew, Grand Master of Asia

Singapore's éminence grise sees China rising and India falling.

Robert D. Blackwill The Coming Clash Over Iran

Relations between the United States and Israel may soon be dominated by disagreements about the Islamic Republic.

Shai Feldman The Three 'Nos' Knows

In the previous issue of The National Interest, John Mueller argued that the threats from nuclear proliferation, nuclear terrorism and nuclear war are exagger

Graham Allison Apocalypse When?

Graham AllisonJoseph CirincioneWilliam C. PotterJohn Mueller

Churchill, Not Quite

With America facing grave threats, the Bush Administration has failed to demonstrate a willingness to establish a hierarchy of priorities.

Graham AllisonDimitri K. Simes In Brief: Thoughts on National Security

Graham AllisonIan BremmerHarlan UllmanDerek Chollet Not If, but When: Imagining a Nuclear 9/11

As unpleasant and as frightening as it may be, the United States must come to grips with the prospect of facing a terrorist strike using nuclear materials--a "nuclear 9/11"--within the coming decade.

Graham Allison The New Containment

Forging a U.S.-Russian alliance to prevent nuclear terrorism should be America's top priority in the post-September 11 world; here is a blueprint for one.

EU pushing Ukraine towards trilateral free trade, with Russia

et Al, April 16, 2015 at 9:31 am

euractiv: EU pushing Ukraine towards trilateral free trade, with Russia
http://www.euractiv.com/sections/europes-east/eu-pushes-ukraine-toward-trilateral-free-trade-including-russia-313816

Fearing that Russia could retaliate against Ukraine following the entry into force of the Deep and Comprehensive Free Trade Agreement (DCFTA) later this year, the European Commission is now pushing Ukraine to agree to a trilateral trade format, including Russia.

On Wednesday (15 April), a Ukrainian parliamentarian reacted angrily to messagess from EU officials, who said that Ukraine should seek to accommodate its EU free trade agreement with an older arrangement his country had with Russia.

Ironically, it was Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovich who appealed for such an approach two years ago, which was flatly rejected by Brussels…

…Neighbourhood Commissioner Johannes Hahn backed the main conclusions of the paper in the following terms:

"The study rightly recognises that integration [for Ukraine] with Russia and EU are not in principle mutually exclusive. The study goes on to suggest that at least partial restoration of links with Russia, and the so-called Eurasian Economic Union will be important to Ukraine's economic recovery, and that Ukraine should diversify its export markets and develop trade relations in many directions."

The Commissioner said that the EU wasn't looking for an exclusive economic relationship with Ukraine.

"This is important to be stressed. There is nothing in our new agreement that would stop Ukraine from continuing to export products to Russia. Approximation with EU standards will not prevent Ukraine from trading with Russia," he went on. In his terms, the Association Agreement left Ukraine free to determine its own trade policy.

"Ukraine already has preferential trade relations with the members of the Eurasian economic union within the framework of the Community of Independent States free trade area. These are perfectly compatible with the Deep and Comprehensive Free Trade Area, and there is no reason why they should not be maintained. So the EU-Ukraine bilateral DCFTA does not impose a false choice on Kyiv. Those who say so are wrong or may have their own agenda," Hahn said….
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More at the link.

So Brussels admits failure and that it was wrong? No. Brussels has got the message from Germany and others that they will not take over Russia's former subsidy of the Ukraine.

So there you have it – Brussels wants this unfortunate misunderstanding brushed under the table with the backing of EU states that still want to continue sanctions against Russia. Silence from the US.

[Apr 17, 2015] Will Ukraine Push the US Into War

As for question "What are the forces that have us "stumbling to war"?" the answer is chick hawks ("liberal interventionalists" which are indistinguishable from neocons) from current administration and military industrial complex.
Apr 17, 2015 | The American Conservative
"Could a U.S. response to Russia's action in Ukraine provoke a confrontation that leads to a U.S.-Russia War?" This jolting question is raised by Graham Allison and Dimitri Simes in the cover article of The National Interest.

The answer the authors give, in "Countdown to War: The Coming U.S. Russia Conflict," is that the odds are shortening on a military collision between the world's largest nuclear powers. The cockpit of the conflict, should it come, will be Ukraine.

What makes the article timely is the report that Canada will be sending 200 soldiers to western Ukraine to join 800 Americans and 75 Brits on a yearlong assignment to train the Ukrainian army.

And train that army to fight whom? Pro-Russian rebels in Ukraine whom Vladimir Putin has said will not be crushed, even if it requires Russian intervention. Says Putin, "We won't let it happen."

What are the forces that have us "stumbling to war"?

On our side there is President Obama who "enjoys attempting to humiliate Putin" and "repeatedly includes Russia in his list of current scourges alongside the Islamic State and Ebola." Then there is what TNI editor Jacob Heilbrunn calls the "truculent disposition" that has become the "main driver of Republican foreign policy." A "triumphalist camp," redolent of the "cakewalk war" crowd of Bush II, is ascendant and pushing us toward confrontation.

This American mindset has its mirror image in Moscow.

"Putin is not the hardest of the hard-liners in Russia," write the authors. "Russia's establishment falls into … a pragmatic camp, which is currently dominant thanks principally to Putin's support, and a hard-line camp" the one Putin adviser calls "the hotheads."

The hotheads believe the way to respond to U.S. encroachments is to invoke the doctrine of Yuri Andropov, "challenge the main enemy," and brandish nuclear weapons to terrify Europe and split NATO. Russian public opinion is said to be moving toward the hotheads.

Russian bombers have been intruding into NATO air space. Putin says he was ready to put nuclear forces on alert in the Crimea. Russia's ambassador has warned Copenhagen that if its ships join a NATO missile defense force, Denmark could be targeted with nukes.

In coming war games, Russia will move Iskander missiles into the Baltic enclave of Kaliningrad on Poland's northern border. "Russia is the only country in the world that is realistically capable of turning the United States into radioactive ash," brays the director of the television network Rossiya Segodnya.

As of now, the "pragmatists" represented by Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov retain the upper hand. They believe Russia can still do business with the United States and Europe. "The 'hotheads' take the opposite view," the authors write, "they argue that NATO is determined to overthrow Putin, force Russia to its knees, and perhaps even dismember the country."

In Ukraine, Putin has drawn two red lines. He will not permit Ukraine to join NATO. He will not allow the rebels to be crushed.

Russia hard-liners are confident that should it come to war in Ukraine, Russia would have what Cold War strategists called "escalation dominance." This is what JFK had in the Cuban missile crisis-conventional and nuclear superiority on sea and land, and in the air around Cuba.

With Ukraine easily accessible to Russian forces by road and rail, sea and air, and Russia's military just over the border while U.S. military might is a continent away, the hard-liners believe Russia would prevail in a war and America would face a choice-accept defeat in Ukraine or escalate to tactical atomic weapons.

The Russians are talking of resorting to such weapons first.

The decisive date for Putin to determine which way Russia will go would appear to be this summer. The authors write:

Putin will attempt to exploit the expiration of EU sanctions, which are scheduled to expire in July. If that fails, however, and the European Union joins the United States in imposing additional economic sanctions such as excluding Moscow from the SWIFT financial clearing system, Putin would be tempted to respond, not by retreating, but by ending all cooperation with the West, and mobilizing his people against a new and 'apocalyptic' threat to 'Mother Russia.'

As a leading Russian politician told us, 'We stood all alone against Napoleon and against Hitler.'

As of now, the Minsk II cease-fire of February seems to be holding. The Ukrainian army and pro-Russian rebels have both moved their heavy weapons back from the truce lines, though there have been clashes and casualties.

But as Ukraine's crisis is unresolved, these questions remain: Will the U.S. train the Ukrainian army and then greenlight an offensive to retake the rebel-held provinces? Would Russia intervene and rout that army? Would the Americans sit by if their Ukrainian trainees were defeated and more Ukrainian land was lost?

Or would we start up the escalator to a war with Russia that few Europeans, but some Americans and Russians, might welcome today?

Patrick J. Buchanan is the author of The Greatest Comeback: How Richard Nixon Rose From Defeat to Create the New Majority. Copyright 2015 Creators.com.

[Apr 16, 2015] Chaos And Hegemony - How US Dollar Imperialism Dominates The World

Quote: "However, when at the beginning of the 21st century the new economic giants China and India, with their almost inexhaustible hunger for energy, started organizing their own supply, the U.S.-dominated oil regime collapsed. The oil markets henceforth followed the pricing laws for exhaustible goods; oil prices therefore rose drastically and have subsequently been guided by market mechanisms."

Apr 16, 2015 | Zero Hedge

Submitted by Mohssen Massarat via CounterPunch.org,

With last fall's U.S. Congressional elections, the Barack Obama 'era' has entered its final phase. Shortly before coming to power, the new U.S. president had sparked a massive uproar when he proclaimed a new 'Pacific century.' Since then, roughly two years before the end of his term in office, we can see more clearly. First and foremost, the proclamation of an allegedly new orientation towards the Pacific served the purpose to put Europe, and particularly Germany, under pressure so that they fill the allegedly emerging security gap. In reality, however, it is not the Pacific that forms the epicenter of U.S. geostrategic interests, neither – despite the Crimea crisis – is it the 'old (European) world,' but it is still the Middle East. For the latter's fate defines whether American hegemony stands or falls.

America's interest in this region is as old as the discovery of enormous Mideast oil reserves – albeit not at the moment, as is generally but falsely suggested, because of her own domestic oil supply. Thanks to its immense domestic energy resources, historically the U.S. has since the dawn of the last century been independent from importing oil. And with the current widespread use of fracking technology, it is once again about to become self-sufficient. As the new hegemonic power in the wake of the Second World War, the U.S. quickly realized that it could make rivaling world powers dependent on it by way of controlling the Middle East with its tremendous reserves of oil – the global economy's fuel. Originally, the U.S., together with Saudi Arabia – its main ally in the region – established a global oil supply regime that could provide the West, China, and all BRICS countries with energy security. In this regime, Saudi Arabia arranged for constant overproduction. Thanks to this system that was politically controlled by the U.S., both its Western allies and its rivals enjoyed unimpeded oil supply at low prices – and all this despite great political turbulence raging during the entire second half of the last century. At the same time, the U.S. dollar, pegged to the oil price, acted as the global reserve currency.

However, when at the beginning of the 21st century the new economic giants China and India, with their almost inexhaustible hunger for energy, started organizing their own supply, the U.S.-dominated oil regime collapsed. The oil markets henceforth followed the pricing laws for exhaustible goods; oil prices therefore rose drastically and have subsequently been guided by market mechanisms.

The irony of history: Albeit the U.S. has lost the ability to steer the oil price – one of its central political leverages –, it has in another way been able to drastically strengthen its hegemony via the new prices set by the global market. For the high oil prices have multiplied the percentage share of oil trade within global trade, which caused massively higher demand for dollars and U.S. government bonds. As a result, for the foreseeable future the U.S. dollar will thereby remain the indisputable reserve currency.

It is precisely here that we can identify the actual basis for U.S. dominance: By way of an unlimited creation of the dollar as the globe's reserve currency, the U.S. constitutes the only economy in the world that can finance several mega-projects at once – such as the bailing-out of banks and gigantic defense spending – through public debt and the issuing of government bonds. After the 2008 crash, no other national economy could have managed the banking crisis on its own without suffering any severe consequences. The Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC), whose financial basis is essentially formed by the U.S Treasury's government bonds, provided the U.S. with the required capital. The FDIC is an institution specifically created by the U.S. Congress to promote "stability and public confidence in the nation's financial system." Thereby, in fact, in 2009 the United States successfully nationalized all ailing banks in order to dispose its debt, and subsequently privatized them again. Meanwhile, in the European Union the banking crisis turned into a sovereign debt crisis.

Nonetheless, the global economic figures for the U.S. are anything but rosy: Its trade balance has witnessed deficits uninterruptedly since 1987, which until 2013 had led to an accumulated deficit of $9,627 billion. This is caused by the fact that the U.S. economy in parts, for a long time now, is no longer competitive vis-à-vis its main competitors – the EU, China, and Japan. Moreover, the fiscal deficit has chronically been on the rise, as result of from drastically growing defense spending. For decades, various U.S. administrations have 'solved' both problems – the trade deficit and concomitantly the constantly rising fiscal deficit – by allocating government bonds and engaging in money creation.

Technically, both objectives are being realized as follows: In order to conduct current government expenditures, the U.S. Treasury swaps government bonds with the FED in exchange for the latter's freshly printed dollars – in 2013 alone, $1,100 billion were thus brought into circulation. The FED in turn places those government bonds on the world market and thereby continuously channels new capital into the U.S. economy, which provides for the balancing of the trade deficit. The price for this policy of money creation is the gigantic U.S. public debt, which climbed from $6,731 billion in 2003 to $17,556 billion in 2013. In the same time period, the public spending ratio rose from 60% to 108% (in comparison that of the EU 'only' rose from 60% to 87%).

No surprise then that such an economy suffering from trade as well as budgetary balance deficits has transformed into a consumptive surplus economy – amassing the largest national debt of all time. Between 2001 and 2013 only, these consumption surpluses accounted for a total of $11,550 billion. To put it plainly, per year an average $962.5 billion – capital corresponding with real economic performance – flowed from the rest of the world to the United States, while the latter confined itself to printing new money and bringing it into circulation.

To make it even more clear: In 2012, the $1,250 billion that flowed into the U.S. made up 7.9% of the country's gross domestic product (GDP). This additional capital stock flowing into the economy also explains why the saving rate in the U.S. had drastically sunk during that period. Americans consumed nearly the totality of the goods and services they produced, while the rest of the world paid for investments allowing the U.S. economy to keep going.

Essentially, the U.S. has become to resemble Arab rentier states. Instead of oil, the U.S. uses the dollar – the international reserve currency – as leverage for appropriating its global purchasing power. While Saudi Arabia at least exports oil in exchange for other countries' goods and services, the U.S. merely pumps paper into the global cash cycle.

The dollar as leverage

Here is the reason why: The significantly largest part of world trade is still being processed in dollars. This is why international demand for dollars is enormous, and is rising in proportion to world trade. Therefore, with the assistance of FED, the U.S. can continuously inject dollars into circulation, thereby financing its trade balance and budgetary deficits (and ultimately its constantly growing government debt). Hence, Nobel economics laureate Roger B. Myerson does not bother too much about U.S. debt: "U.S. debts are in dollars and the U.S. can print dollars. […] We may have inflation. But we are sure we can pay back the debt."

Yet, contrary to Myerson's contention, in reality the U.S. will never pay back its debt, which has already been clear in the 1970s to U.S. economist Michael Hudson:

"To the extent that these Treasury IOUs are being built into the world's monetary base they will not have to be repaid, but are to be rolled over indefinitely. This feature is the essence of America's free financial ride, a tax imposed at the entire globe's expense."

In truth, the U.S. can simply absorb the excess purchasing power that is created all over the world. All of this, however, only works as long as oil is being traded in dollars and the status of the U.S. currency is not being jeopardized by other potential reserve currencies, such as the euro or China's renminbi. After the collapse of the Bretton Woods system in 1973, almost without anyone noticing, the gold standard got replaced by oil henceforth backing the dollar: oil was increasingly in demand by all countries – except for oil exporters; it is a homogeneous and scarce commodity with rising prices. As such, oil trade as a proportion of world trade continuously rose from 1.7% in 1970 to 6% in 2001, and to 12% in 2011 – resulting in a massively rising demand for dollars. Moreover, the 'oil standard' freed the U.S. from all shackles of the Bretton Woods agreement; it could henceforth accumulate new debt even more uninhibitedly than before.

The military as instrument

Yet, ensuring that the global oil trade will be carried out in dollars for decades to come requires a Middle East controlled by the U.S. as complete as possible. This can be done through regime changes wherever necessary in order to nip possible anti-dollar alliances in the bud. In this vein, the neoconservative Project for the New American Century (PNAC) was from the very start targeted towards such a direction, with its willingness to create a 'Greater Middle East' that ought to be subordinated to the U.S. to the greatest possible extent. In PNAC documents there is no mention of creating conditions for peace but instead for wars, for expanding military bases all around the world, for military superiority on land, in water and in the air, for nuclear defense shields in the earth's atmosphere, and above all for further increases in defense spending.

Over the last decade, the U.S. with its annual defense budget of $500 billion to $800 billion has spent as much on armaments as the rest of the world combined. Any other national economy would have collapsed long ago under such tremendous unproductive spending. Indeed, the arms race during the Cold War did lead to the demise of the Soviet Union. In contrast, after the end of the bloc confrontation U.S. arms spending rose exponentially from $150 billion in 1990 to the astronomic sum of $739 billion in 2011. The share of military expenditure as a proportion of GDP is currently 4% in the U.S., more than twice that of other Western industrialized nations. The opposition, otherwise loudly opposing administration policies of increasing other budget items, refrains from criticizing military spending as a matter of principle, the exception being when an increase in military spending is deemed too low. Nor is this massive military spending subject to any substantial debate in the media or in society at large. But how can these enormous arms expenditures be explained and how are they justified to the people? Ultimately, this is done by the fact that the U.S. also covers its military spending by government debt and printing money. Instead, financing the costs of war via direct taxes would mobilize people against any war. Both World Wars were financed by public debt, not only by European but also all U.S. administrations. Through the continuity of wars, especially since the First World War, the U.S. public debt has continued to grow.

The de facto monopoly over world money explains how a national economy like that of the U.S., which in many areas is simply not competitive and shows chronic trade balance deficits, can finance not only such mega-projects as the military-industrial complex and various quite expensive wars, but also has a relatively stable financial sector and a currency that attracts magnet-like surplus capital from all over the world.

A world without order and chaos as opportunity – for the U.S.

To maintain its hegemony, the U.S. must by all means prevent the emergence of rival powers and impede possible current as well as future threats that could emanate from oil states. The ideal condition for enforcing its own goals at a low cost would be the fragmentation of antagonistic power centers through ethnic and religious strife, civil wars, chaos and deep-seated mistrust in the Middle East – always following the well-known premise of 'divide and rule.' In this way, for decades to come no other power would be able to even consider trading oil in a currency other than dollars. In addition, as all the opponents need petrodollars to purchase weapons, the oil wells gush merrily on – as they currently do in Iraq despite daily acts of terror and chaos paralyzing the country.

In fact, we are currently experiencing tremendous changes towards such a chaotic state of affairs. Meanwhile, there have been regime changes in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya. In all these countries, discord and distrust, tribal conflicts, territorial separations among ethnic lines and mutual terror have been raging – particularly from Sunnis against Shi'ites. However, the regime change project has not ended here. Now, Syria and Iran have been put in crosshairs: U.S. neo-cons have spared no efforts to torpedo the nuclear negotiations with Iran. And Al-Qaeda – officially the main reason for the U.S. 'war on terror' – has in the meanwhile attained unprecedented strength. This prowess provides, in turn, the best basis of legitimacy for the U.S. military-industrial complex.

The old military-industrial complex

This way all the strands of 'dollar imperialism' come together: oil, dollars, and the military. The military-industrial complex is the main beneficiary of the 'new American century' of New Wars. Especially in the Middle East both a nuclear and a conventional arms race is taking place, which is increasingly putting the arms race of the 1970s that had led to three Gulf Wars in the shade. While the recycling of petrodollars for weapons has resulted in a dangerous vicious circle which could at any time trigger a conflagration across the whole region, the U.S. defense sector can remain confident: All U.S. administrations, regardless of their political persuasion, will continue with impunity the policy of public debt and thus keep on financing the military budget. Thanks to the rising demand for dollars and the FED's continued money printing (also under the new Board of Governors Chair, Janet Yellen), the U.S. banking system has such extensive money reserves that the politically dangerous U.S. military industry can be easily financed.

However, 'dollar imperialism' is fundamentally a highly unstable construction, producing absurdities difficult to imagine.

  • On the one hand, it keeps alive a gigantic apparatus of violence in the U.S. – at the expense of (and ultimately financed by) the whole of humanity.
  • On the other, this construction is based on chaos, violence, and civil wars, particularly in the oil-rich regions that may therefore collapse at any time, plunging the world into serious crises.

In short, what could be more absurd than the fact that money belonging to all of us helps finance an industrial sector whose ultimate survival depends on there never being peace on the planet? Even the NSA scandal – revealed thanks to Edward Snowden – appears in a new, very particular light when seen against the background of the prevailing dollar imperialism. For, of course, this highly unstable construction generates a seemingly limitless greed for the widest possible control of all communication channels, including spying on the heads of all foreign administrations, even those of friendly states. Despite worldwide outrage, in his January 2014 speech, Barack Obama emphasized that "[o]ur intelligence agencies will continue to gather information about the intentions of governments [...] around the world."

The massive U.S. security apparatus is being legitimized – today as in the past – exclusively on the grounds of national interests. When the NSA was founded in 1952, there was no talk of Al-Qaeda and '9/11,' rather of the benefits and interests of a then aspiring hegemonic power. Today, the NSA is above all concerned with recognizing in due time all the steps and movements in the world that could endanger the current status of the U.S. currency, and nipping them in the bud by any means necessary. It thus functions in the interest of the influential alliance between the military-industrial complex and the U.S. financial sector, which is dependent on such knowledge for its own survival.

On the other hand, it has become clear that the NSA poses the biggest threat to democracy in the U.S. and in the West as a whole – and in a way in which President Dwight Eisenhower could not even imagine when he warned about the military-industrial complex in his farewell address on January 17, 1961: "This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. […] In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes."

Roughly 50 years after Eisenhower's warning, the U.S. has taken a major step 'forward.' This powerful complex has been struggling for its continued existence since the end of the bloc confrontation and has done everything possible to permanently consolidate American hegemony. It is indeed not the case, as was eagerly anticipated, that the world has become safer and more peaceful since 1989. On the contrary, it has become more insecure and warlike – as was the case at the dawn of the last century. This makes it even more urgent that the international community finally – and still perhaps just in time – defends itself against this highly dangerous development.

The alternative: The global energy transition and the diversification of reserve currencies

The question of democratizing the global economy by abolishing the U.S. monopoly over world money must definitely be placed on the global political agenda. In the long term, this goal can be most effectively attained by a global energy revolution – away from fossils and towards extensively expanding renewable energies. In the short term, a range of reserve currencies can and ought to be established, which would finally account for the real economic balance of forces.

One such alternative would also serve the long-term interests of American citizens and would contribute to the U.S. finally offloading the parasitic and ultimately unproductive parts of its economy – namely, the alliance between finance and the military. On the other hand, the example of Barack Obama, who had to move away from nearly all his positive reform initiatives, shows that America on her own and using her own abilities is barely capable of pushing back this all-powerful alliance including the political forces sustaining it.

This leads to Europe and Asia assuming responsibility: Only a new reserve currency – pushed forward by the EU and China – can help the U.S. leave its previous path of increasing prosperity through imperialist methods, to the benefit of its own immeasurable productive potentials. The BRICS countries' establishment in Brazil in July 2014 of an international development bank and a monetary fund could evolve into a serious competitor to the Bretton Woods system. You could imagine the dollar being no longer the only world currency, and necessarily losing its stability in a lively international competition involving the euro and renminbi. International excess capital would then be withdrawn, to a considerable extent, from the U.S. and invested in the euro or renminbi zone. The previous U.S. policy of public debt by issuing government bonds would stall, and the bipartisan taboo on tackling military spending would lose its validity. In order to reduce chronic budget deficits, U.S. administrations would then have no other choice but to drastically cut the disproportionately high military budget.

How would such a new situation impact American hegemony? Inside the U.S. there would – finally – emerge a fierce debate over the sense and non-sense of military spending as well as its global military capacities (including over 800 bases) – with the prospect of the U.S. demilitarizing to a level corresponding to its actual economic weight. As such, the U.S. would no longer be the 'only remaining superpower,' but merely one among several world powers. Wholly new global power structures and balances of power would then become conceivable: Asia but also the Middle East, South America, Africa, and even Europe would have real opportunities to come together in cooperative and common-security regional architectures. At the same time, nationalistic and racist resentments and conflicts would strongly lose traction. Perhaps international cooperation would also finally shrink the financial sector to a reasonable level – in so doing also significantly increasing the possibility of an equitable distribution of income.

In short, we would finally have the prospect of a world with more justice and less financial speculation – a more democratic and peaceful world. Yet, the losers of such a scenario would be the military-industrial complex, the financial sector and its beneficiaries, and above all the neoconservatives. This is why we must expect fierce resistance. However, in the interest of a more just and peaceful world, this fight is nothing less than inevitable.

[Apr 14, 2015] The New Militarism: Who Profits?

Quote: "So who is the real enemy? The Russians? No, the real enemy is the taxpayer. The real enemy is the middle class and the productive sectors of the economy. We are the victims of this new runaway military spending. Every dollar or euro spent on a contrived threat is a dollar or euro taken out of the real economy and wasted on military Keynesianism. It is a dollar stolen from a small business owner that will not be invested in innovation, spent on research to combat disease, or even donated to charities that help the needy."
Apr 12, 2015 | The Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity

Militarism and military spending are everywhere on the rise, as the new Cold War propaganda seems to be paying off. The new "threats" that are being hyped bring big profits to military contractors and the network of think tanks they pay to produce pro-war propaganda.

Here are just a few examples:

The German government announced last week that it would purchase 100 more "Leopard" tanks – a 45 percent increase in the country's inventory. Germany had greatly reduced its inventory of tanks as the end of the Cold War meant the end of any threat of a Soviet ground invasion of Europe. The German government now claims these 100 new tanks, which may cost nearly half a billion dollars, are necessary to respond to the new Russian assertiveness in the region. Never mind that Russia has neither invaded nor threatened any country in the region, much less a NATO member country.

The US Cold War-era nuclear bunker under Cheyenne Mountain, Colorado, which was all but shut down in the 25 years since the fall of the Berlin Wall, is being brought back to life. The Pentagon has committed nearly a billion dollars to upgrading the facility to its previous Cold War-level of operations. US defense contractor Raytheon will be the prime beneficiary of this contract. Raytheon is a major financial sponsor of think tanks like the Institute for the Study of War, which continuously churn out pro-war propaganda. I am sure these big contracts are a good return on that investment.

NATO, which I believe should have been shut down after the Cold War ended, is also getting its own massively expensive upgrade. The Alliance commissioned a new headquarters building in Brussels, Belgium, in 2010, which is supposed to be completed in 2016. The building looks like a hideous claw, and the final cost – if it is ever finished – will be well over one billion dollars. That is more than twice what was originally budgeted. What a boondoggle! Is it any surprise that NATO bureaucrats and generals continuously try to terrify us with tales of the new Russian threat? They need to justify their expansion plans!

So who is the real enemy? The Russians?

No, the real enemy is the taxpayer. The real enemy is the middle class and the productive sectors of the economy. We are the victims of this new runaway military spending. Every dollar or euro spent on a contrived threat is a dollar or euro taken out of the real economy and wasted on military Keynesianism. It is a dollar stolen from a small business owner that will not be invested in innovation, spent on research to combat disease, or even donated to charities that help the needy.

One of the most pervasive and dangerous myths of our time is that military spending benefits an economy. This could not be further from the truth. Such spending benefits a thin layer of well-connected and well-paid elites. It diverts scarce resources from meeting the needs and desires of a population and channels them into manufacturing tools of destruction. The costs may be hidden by the money-printing of the central banks, but they are eventually realized in the steady destruction of a currency.

The elites are terrified that peace may finally break out, which will be bad for their profits. That is why they are trying to scuttle the Iran deal, nix the Cuba thaw, and drum up a new "Red Scare" coming from Moscow. We must not be fooled into believing their lies.


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[Apr 14, 2015] Nuland Ensconced in Neocon Camp Who Believes in Noble Lie

Mar 5, 2015 | The Ron Paul Institute for Peace and Prosperity
RPI Director Daniel McAdams is interviewed on RT. Transcript below; video here.

Victoria Nuland's anti-Russian rhetoric comes from the neocon camp of US politics, seeking to stir the Ukraine crisis, thrilled by the prospect of defense industry expansion and more arms sales, Daniel McAdams of the Ron Paul Peace Institute told RT.

RT: World leaders and international monitors agree the situation in Ukraine is generally improving. Why are we still witnessing aggressive rhetoric from some US officials?

Daniel McAdams: Because the US does not want peace to break out. The US is determined to see its project through. But unfortunately like all of its regime change projects this one is failing miserably. Victoria Nuland completely disregards the role of the US in starting the conflict in Ukraine. She completely glosses over the fact that the army supported by Kiev has been bombarding Eastern Ukraine, as if these independent fighters in the east are killing themselves and their own people. Victoria Nuland was an aid to Dick Cheney; she is firmly ensconced in the neocon camp. The neocons believe very strongly in lying, the noble lie… They lied us into the war in Iraq; they are lying now about Ukraine. Lying is what the neocons do.

RT: Nuland listed a lot of hostile actions by Russia without providing any reliable proof. Do you think she can she be challenged on these topics?

DM: Maybe she is right but the US hasn't provided one piece of proof, except for Ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt's Rorschach tests he passes off as a satellite photo. Maybe they are true but we have to present some evidence because we've seen now the neocons have lied us into the war. This is much more serious than the attack on small Iraq. This has the potential for a global nuclear war. So I think they should be held to a higher level of scrutiny. Thus far they have not provided any. We do know however that the US is providing military aid. As the matter of fact this week hundreds of American troops are arriving in Ukraine. Why is that not an escalation? Why is it only an escalation when the opponents of the US government are involved?

RT: How probable is that the Western nations ship lethal aid to Ukraine?

DM: It is interesting because Victoria Nuland this week spent some time with Andriy Parubiy, one of the founders of the fascist party in Ukraine and I believe one of the founders of the Joseph Goebbels Institute. She met with him this week and had a photo taken with him. He came back to Ukraine and assured his comrades that the US will provide additional, non-lethal weapons - whatever that means - and felt pretty strongly that they would provide lethal weapons. The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Martin Dempsey has been urging the US government to provide lethal weapons as has the new US defense secretary [Ashton Carter], both of whom come from the military industrial complex which is thrilled by prospect of a lot more arms to be sold.

RT: Nuland has said the State Department is in talks with EU leaders for another round of sanctions on Russia. Do you think the EU will agree?

DM: I think they will be pressured into agreeing. It is interesting that Nuland said that the new Rada, the new Ukrainian parliament, in this first four months has been a hive of activity. I was just watching some videos from the fights in the Ukrainian parliament. So that was one bit of unintentional humor probably in her speech. It looks like a fight club over there.
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[Apr 14, 2015] ​Western ISIS adventurism, Israel behind Hamas - new Assange revelations

Apr 14, 2015 | RT News
Julian Assange has given an interview to an Argentinian paper from his Ecuadorian embassy asylum where he spent more than 1,000 days. He spoke about why US meddling in Ukraine led to civil war, how the West helped ISIS and Israel supported Hamas.

US has long wanted to bring Ukraine to West

The United States has spent "a lot of time trying to bring Ukraine to the West," the WikiLeaks founder said in an interview to Pagina/12, Argentinian newspaper on Monday.

"If it cannot be with a NATO membership, at least it becomes independent from Moscow's sphere of influence, to reduce Russian industrial-military complex and its naval bases in Crimea."

Kiev first step closer to NATO was in December 2014, when President Petro Poroshenko signed a law canceling the Ukraine' non-bloc status and promised to hold a national referendum on NATO accession in the next five to six years.

In January, Kiev authorities announced that the Ukrainian army would take part in 11 international military drills in 2015 to bolster NATO standards in troops.

One more attempt of US and Europe to 'bring Ukraine closer to the West' was spending "billions of dollars on the creation of NGOs," said Assange , adding that "through these institutions, the West promised to end corruption in Ukraine."

ISIS -- result of Western adventurism

Meddling of Western countries in the Middle East led to creation of the Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS), an Islamist group that is currently gaining a massive following across the wider Middle East and Africa, Assange said.

"The IS is a direct result of the adventurism of the West," Assange said.

He says the "adventurism" of Western countries has already destroyed the Libyan and Syrian society and now is "destroying Iraq for oil and other geopolitical reasons."

Many people know that arms are being transported to Syria, that there are attempts to reduce Iranian influence in postwar Iraq by supporting the Sunnis, he said. But "what we don't know is that in recent years in recent years Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey have increased their power and managed to gain certain independence form the US."

As a result, Washington ceased to be "the only geopolitical actor" pushing developments in the Middle East, believes Assange.

Israel supported Hamas in its infancy

The WikiLeaks founder accused Israeli authorities of supporting Hamas group at its early stages in order to divide the Palestinian resistance.

"Our cables reveal that Israel supported Hamas in its infancy, that Hamas was used as an instrument to divide the Palestine Liberation Organization [PLO] and the Palestinian resistance," Assange told the paper.

Assange has been living in the Ecuadorian embassy in London while awaiting safe passage to the Central American country, where he has been granted asylum. Staking out the building, in case the Australian should leave the premises, has already cost British taxpayers a hefty £10 million, according to govwaste.co.uk.

Assange has not been charged with a crime, but is wanted for questioning in Sweden regarding allegations of sexual misconduct brought against him in 2010.

An arrest warrant was issued for Assange in 2010 in the of wake sexual assault allegations leveled against him by two Swedish women. He denied the allegations of sexual misconduct and rape and managed to avoid extradition to Sweden by seeking refuge in the embassy in 2012.

He repeatedly announced that he is ready to answer all questions concerning his sexual assault allegations within the sanctity of the embassy. However, Swedish prosecutors were reluctant to do so until March this year.

"If Assange gives his consent, the prosecutor will promptly submit a request for legal assistance to the British authorities to further continue the investigation," the Swedish Prosecution Authority said in a statement.

Assange's Swedish lawyer welcomed the Swedish prosecutors' request to interview Assange in London, but added that the whole process of questioning could take time.

"We welcome [this] and see it also as a big victory ... for Julian Assange that what we have demanded is finally going to happen," Per Samuelson said.

Assange supporters fear that if he is deported to Sweden he will likely face espionage charges in America over his role in publishing sensitive, classified US government documents.

But even if Sweden drops the case, he faces arrest by UK police for jumping the bail granted while the British courts considered a European arrest warrant issued by Stockholm.

In June 2014, 56 international human rights and free media organizations signed a letter addressed to US Attorney General Eric Holder calling upon the US government to end all criminal investigations into Assange's actions as editor-in-chief of WikiLeaks, and to cease harassing the organization for publishing materials in the public interest.

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[Apr 14, 2015] Freedom of speech as three card monte

Freedom of speech is the political right to communicate one's opinions and ideas. Governments restrict speech with varying limitations, the most important of which is the real freedom of speech belongs only to owners of the press. Common limitations on speech are related to activities of three-letter agencies (buying journalists), libel, slander, obscenity, pornography, sedition, hate speech, incitement, fighting words, classified information, copyright violation, trade secrets, non-disclosure agreements, right to privacy, right to be forgotten, public security, public order, public nuisance, campaign finance reform and oppression. The term freedom of expression is sometimes used synonymously, but includes any act of seeking, receiving and imparting information or ideas, regardless of the medium used.
But in reality interpretation of freedom of speech interpretation is very country dependent. For example definitions of what libel constitute are different between the USA and GB. And in the USA, the relevant case law is a pretty complex with many exceptions for those who have money.
There are also common sense restrictions on freedom of speech (To incite actions that would harm others -- like crying fire in overcrowded theater), some are not.
But again the key issue is that the freedom of speech like freedom of press is mostly limited to those who own the press. That means that freedom of speech is also never awarded to skeptics or outright opponents of the existing regime. They need to fight for it.

What Does Free Speech Mean

Among other cherished values, the First Amendment protects freedom of speech. The U.S. Supreme Court often has struggled to determine what exactly constitutes protected speech. The following are examples of speech, both direct (words) and symbolic (actions), that the Court has decided are either entitled to First Amendment protections, or not.

The First Amendment states, in relevant part, that:

"Congress shall make no law...abridging freedom of speech."

Quiz: Test your First Amendment knowledge (usatoday.com)


Freedom of speech includes the right:
  • Not to speak (specifically, the right not to salute the flag).
    West Virginia Board of Education v. Barnette, 319 U.S. 624 (1943).
  • Of students to wear black armbands to school to protest a war ("Students do not shed their constitutional rights at the schoolhouse gate.").
    Tinker v. Des Moines, 393 U.S. 503 (1969).
  • To use certain offensive words and phrases to convey political messages.
    Cohen v. California, 403 U.S. 15 (1971).
  • To contribute money (under certain circumstances) to political campaigns.
    Buckley v. Valeo, 424 U.S. 1 (1976).
  • To advertise commercial products and professional services (with some restrictions).
    Virginia Board of Pharmacy v. Virginia Consumer Council, 425 U.S. 748 (1976); Bates v. State Bar of Arizona, 433 U.S. 350 (1977).
  • To engage in symbolic speech, (e.g., burning the flag in protest).
    Texas v. Johnson, 491 U.S. 397 (1989); United States v. Eichman, 496 U.S. 310 (1990).

Freedom of speech does not include the right:

  • To incite actions that would harm others (e.g., "[S]hout[ing] 'fire' in a crowded theater.").
    Schenck v. United States, 249 U.S. 47 (1919).
  • To make or distribute obscene materials.
    Roth v. United States, 354 U.S. 476 (1957).
  • To burn draft cards as an anti-war protest.
    United States v. O'Brien, 391 U.S. 367 (1968).
  • To permit students to print articles in a school newspaper over the objections of the school administration.
    Hazelwood School District v. Kuhlmeier, 484 U.S. 260 (1988).
  • Of students to make an obscene speech at a school-sponsored event.
    Bethel School District #43 v. Fraser, 478 U.S. 675 (1986).
  • Of students to advocate illegal drug use at a school-sponsored event.
    Morse v. Frederick, __ U.S. __ (2007).

[Apr 12, 2015] No Longer Quiet On The Eastern Front (Part 3)

...Vaclav Klaus .... stating that Western lies about Russia are 'monstrous'.
Apr 12, 2015 | Zero Hedge
Submitted by Kevin Virgil of Emerging Frontiers,

This is the final installment in a three-part series that explores the ongoing economic standoff in Greece and the Ukrainian civil war, and how these events are converging to launch what will soon become known as the Second Cold War. - By Kevin Virgil, CEO of Emerging Frontiers

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Writing a short series of articles about geopolitics carries some risks - namely, that current events can unfold faster than I can hit the 'send' button on my next edition. It appears that I am releasing this missive in the nick of time, as the coming days promise more dramatic developments in the Greek economic crisis and, of particular interest, that country's growing closeness with Russia.

Let us quickly review what has been covered thus far in this series. In part one, we focused on economic tensions between the European Union and Greece, and how the past five years of austerity and hardship may compel the new Greek government to seek stronger ties with Russia. Part two reviewed last year's disintegration of Ukraine, and the chain of events that sparked its ongoing civil war.

Civil unrest in Kiev. Photo courtesy: The Times of London

In this final segment, we will attempt to view both of these conflicts from the Russian perspective, and to provide some insight into (if not a defense of) the Greek point of view. I do not consider myself to be a "Kremlinologist", or even an expert on Russian political affairs. That being said, I do believe that I can offer a relatively informed perspective that comes from living in both Athens and Moscow over the past ten years, at times when both countries were facing economic crises. I also believe that mainstream Western media outlets have thoroughly and utterly failed in their duty to provide a balanced perspective on the causes behind the growing chasm between Russia and the West.

We will begin with a look at the Russian point of view on Ukraine, and then shift our focus back to Greece in an effort to better understand what both Athens and Moscow stand to gain from the perception of closer cooperation against the EU. We will then quickly review other potential flashpoints along the EU's eastern borders, and show how Europe is rapidly losing its appetite for US-led sanctions against Russia. Finally, we will wrap up this adventure tour with an upcoming event that might provide a prophetic glimpse into Russia's future sphere of influence.

With that in mind, let's get started.

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Any casual watcher of CNN or Sky News is familiar with the Western narrative on Ukraine's last 12 months. Here is a brief summary; for a bit of entertainment, try to imagine Wolf Blitzer's droning voice reading this next paragraph from his teleprompter:

"The Ukrainian people, yearning for democracy in their troubled land, launched the spontaneous Maidan protests to bring down the evil Yanukovych regime. The people succeeded, but Russian President Vladimir Putin exploited the ensuing chaos by waging a propaganda war in Crimea, and a military offensive in the separatist regions of Donetsk and Lugansk, to take back what Russia lost in the Soviet Union's collapse. And of course, this is only the first step in Putin's grand plan to re-unite the former Soviet Union."

Contents of the previous paragraph resonate well with the American people, who are strangely comforted whenever their media does its best to scare them out of their wits. Which, distressingly, is a constant and unrelenting process these days; I can't watch the first ten minutes of my local six o'clock news without feeling the impulsive need to pack atropine injectors and distress beacons in my kids' school lunches.

Now let's look at events from the Russian perspective.

But first, let's set some ground rules before we take this any further. My intent for this column is neither to defend nor apologize for the Russian government, its foreign policy or its president. To that end, please suppress any indignant references you might want to make regarding the Boris Nemtsov assassination, Sergei Magnitsky, the apartment bombings, Pussy Riot, Sochi's twin toilets, or any other (alleged) Russian transgressions. This is not a nomination essay for the Nobel Peace Prize, but a column about geopolitics.

With that out of the way, let's move on...

Ukraine

It will most likely come as a surprise to Westerners, and particularly Americans, that Russia maintains that it was forced to take action in Ukraine in response to US provocations in Kiev. For the past twenty years Moscow has watched the US attempt to lead NATO expansion into former Soviet satellites such as Ukraine and Georgia, an affront that Russia considers to be a serious threat.

With regard to Crimea, Moscow maintains that the region - which houses an ethnic Russian majority -- has repeatedly sought annexation from Russia since Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev bequeathed it to Ukraine in 1954. The Crimean regional parliament has voted for and announced independence in 1992, again in 1994, and of course in 2014. Yet Russia has ignored all previous requests for annexation - a fact which has been well-documented - and only took action in 2014 when the Yanukovych government was overthrown amidst credible evidence of foreign (US) influence.

The Russians maintain that they have also exercised restraint with the breakaway regions of Donetsk and Lugansk in eastern Ukraine. Even though both regions - which also contain significant Russian populations - announced separation from Ukraine in April and May 2014, Moscow has refused to officially recognize the sovereignty or independence of these regions even though many of Russia's political elite are calling for that, and even for the annexation of those regions.

Russia has always bitterly opposed any Ukrainian bid for membership in NATO. Recall that in the previous segment of this series, we discussed how the US had pushed for accession of Georgia and Ukraine into NATO in 2008, but were rebuffed by European partners - notably France and Germany - who had absolutely no interest in deploying military forces into a possible confrontation with Russia. At the time, tensions between the US and Russia were high (though not nearly as high as they are today) because the Bush administration was planning to emplace interceptor missiles in Poland and an advanced radar system in Poland. Though these weapons were ostensibly installed to address the threat of long-range missile strikes from Iran, the Russian government clearly saw their installation as a direct threat to their security and sovereignty, and warned Kiev that any move to join NATO would be met with Russian missiles targeting Ukraine.

In a joint Russian-Ukrainian news conference, held in Moscow in 2008, Putin stated that Russia would be forced to respond if Ukraine joined NATO. "Russia could target its missile systems at Ukraine," he said. "Imagine that for a second. It's horrible to say and even horrible to think." That threat certainly gave pause to Ukraine's attempts to court NATO, but even Putin's rhetoric paled in comparison to the sledgehammer that Russia wields over Ukraine and ultimately most of continental Europe - namely, Gazprom. Eighty percent of Russia's natural gas supplies to Western Europe are transported along pipelines through Ukrainian territory, elevating Ukraine to the vaunted and much-desired status of 'energy transit country' with estimated revenues of nearly US$ 2 billion per year (equivalent to 3% of its national budget). Consequently, neither Ukraine nor Western Europe have felt any particular need to poke the Russian bear any further on this issue, and even the US chose to drop plans for its 'missile shield' as part of the Obama administration's much-vaunted (and, plainly by now, failed) "reset" with Russia.

US diplomat Victoria Nuland, providing snacks to anti-Yanukovych protestors in Kiev. Russian media exploited this image to further portray the US as the aggressor in Ukraine. Source: US Department of State

The Russian position is that the US has been the aggressor nation in Ukraine from the outset. Russian media outlets have honed in on US attempts to influence and strengthen the Maidan protests and remove Yanukovych from power. They have been particularly effective at painting US diplomatic envoy Victoria Nuland (featured in part two of this series) as the villain and chief architect of American covert influence in Ukraine, in order to insert a more Western-friendly government that has been seduced by the allure of NATO and the West. From their perspective, movements to annex Crimea and deploy military forces in the Donbas region of Ukraine were necessary to stop the Kiev government's offensive against ethnic Russians in those regions.

From Moscow's perspective, US indignation over its actions in Ukraine is deeply hypocritical. Russian news and propaganda outlets have very effectively portrayed US efforts to establish a missile shield, to implement economic sanctions, and the toppling of the Yanukovych government as a long-term containment strategy designed to limit Russia's influence in eastern Europe. Consequently, anti-American sentiment is higher in Russia today than it has been since the first Cold War. Recent polls indicate that 87% of Russians distrust or carry negative opinions of the United States, and that as many as 62% believe that their country is 'on the right track'.

Most Russians see little reason to negotiate with, or even engage in dialogue with, the Obama Administration which seems to have little interest in Russia other than to marginalize the country or insult their leader. A quick perusal of recent Western stories on Putin seems to confirm this (examples here, here and here); mainstream newspapers regularly portray Putin as a thuggish buffoon whose grip on power is at risk of collapsing any day now.

I will point out the obvious here. Love him or hate him, Vladimir Putin has outmaneuvered and outwitted the Obama Administration at nearly every turn since it first occupied the White House in 2009. Whether in Libya (by refusing to support the United Nations coalition that destabilized that country), Syria (forcing the Americans to back down from planned military action, and driving a wedge between the UK and US), his refusal to extradite Edward Snowden, and now in Ukraine where that country has virtually disintegrated, Putin is proving to be the USA's most accomplished adversary on the global geopolitical stage.

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Over the past year I have begun to notice an unmistakable trend amongst both politicians and the general public: there are an increasing number of Putin admirers in Europe, and even in the US. This clearly is not attributable to any newfound sympathy or support for Russia, or Putin's geopolitical agenda. Instead, I believe his rising popularity is driven by a grudging admiration that is naturally felt for a strong leader who gets things done and protects the interests of his people. Nigel Farage, a UK politician and prominent Eurosceptic, caused a stir last year when, asked which current world leader he most admired, replied: "As an operator, but not as a human being, I would say Putin."

Nearly every country in Europe now has at least one political party that is broadly pro-Russian. In Greece's case, Syriza is now in power while Podemos, another left-wing party in Spain, has become a credible threat to Madrid's political establishment even though it was only formed last year. Close ties with Russia are not restricted to socialists; France's National Front is making waves with a far-right nationalist agenda, and its leader Marine Le Pen is an admirer of Putin, stating that "I admire his cool head…because there is a cold war being waged against him by the EU at the behest of [the] United States, which is defending its own interests."

Even Poland, probably the most hostile country toward Russian influence in the EU, now has a party whose primary stance is the condemnation of Western sanctions against Russia. Zmiana ("change") claims it will win as much as 12% of the popular vote ahead of general Polish elections later this year. It is easy to marginalize such parties as fringe extremists – though some caution might be required here as that is exactly what the Spanish establishment said about Podemos a year ago.

A quick look at other events on the EU's eastern borders further supports this point of view. Throughout the region, governments are increasingly voicing skepticism on continued sanctions against Russia, and openly doubting US motives and intentions behind their use.

Let's take a quick tour of some other potential hotspots in the region:

Hungary

EU officials are objecting to a recent decision to award a €10 billion contract for construction of two nuclear reactors to Rosatom, the Russian state-owned company. Hungarian President Viktor Orban, formerly an active anti-Soviet dissident in the 1990s, has recently begun to pursue closer relations with Russia. Hungary has stopped short of objecting to EU and US sanctions against Moscow, but was the first EU country to invite Putin for a bilateral summit since Flight MH17 was shot down over Ukraine last year - a disaster for which the West blames Russia, and Russia denies. Until recently Hungary had put the bidding process up for tender, but awarded the contract to Rosatom after Russia offered attractive financing terms for 80% of the project over 21 years. US-Japanese construction giant Westinghouse was previously considered the front-runner and is lobbying aggressively with the EU to be awarded the contract.

Czech Republic

Last September Czech President Milos Zeman caused a diplomatic stir when he openly voiced opposition to EU and US sanctions against Russia, referred to the Ukrainian conflict as a "civil war" and refused to denounce Russia's actions in that country. Earlier last year he proclaimed that sanctions against Russia would work no better than those that had been enforced against Cuba for the past fifty years, and called for them to be dropped altogether. His predecessor Vaclav Klaus has gone even further, calling for the EU to be scrapped and stating that Western lies about Russia are 'monstrous'.

Events in Prague took an even more interesting turn last week when the US Ambassador told Czech television that it would be "awkward" should Zeman attend the upcoming Russian Victory Day celebrations in Moscow as the only head of state from an EU country. (Which is untrue, since both Alexis Tsipras of Greece and Nicos Anastasiades of Cyprus also plan to attend - more on that a bit later). Zeman is not known for his soft-spoken diplomacy, and has now barred the US ambassador from further access to Prague Castle.

Greece

Ah, Greece. The country offers so much low-hanging fruit for geopolitical bloggers and late-night comedians that it's impossible to resist talking about it again, even though the entire first installment of this series focused on their ongoing crisis. We seem to be approaching an endgame and a potential 'Grexit'; as of this writing the Greek government has made a €458m (US$ 503m) payment to the IMF that was due on 9 April. However, with another €1.2 billion coming due within the next month it is increasingly difficult to see how Athens can meet both its foreign and domestic obligations.

Meanwhile, new Greek President Alexis Tsipras has just returned from a visit to Moscow where, on 8 April, he and Putin agreed to "restart and revive" bilateral relations in a calculated move that was surely intended to put the world on notice that their two countries are at least considering a collaboration against their mutual adversary in Brussels.

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Over the past few weeks rumors have increased that Greece and Russia may reach some sort of accord that provides the former with critical financial assistance, and the latter with increased leverage against the European Union. The EU is due to debate and vote on continued Russian sanctions in June of this year, and renewal will require a unanimous vote from its 28-member bloc. As already mentioned above, support for continued sanctions is increasingly shaky and both the Greeks and Russians have much to gain by using these much-hyped overtures as leverage against the West.

It is increasingly clear that Tsipras has little to lose as a 'Grexit', or Greece's exit from the Eurozone, becomes more likely. Regardless of whether an exit is forced or voluntary, the result will almost certainly be a move away from Europe and toward Moscow's sphere of influence. Greece shares an Orthodox religious heritage with Russia and cultural ties are arguably stronger between the two countries than any affiliation that Greece shares with northern Europe. Their increasingly adversarial relationships with the EU will only serve to strengthen that relationship.

As with Ukraine, when analyzing the Greek financial crisis it is important to contrast the Western narrative with the Greek point of view. It is nearly impossible to defend Greece's fiscal policies since joining the Euro; in hindsight, it was plainly a mistake to admit a country that had no chance of fulfilling the economic guidelines required for admission. However, the EU's strategy to resolve the crisis - to punish its people for the profligacy of its ruling class - is clearly doomed to failure.

Last week I came across the following column from the Daily Telegraph's Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, which very effectively describes the flaws in the EU's approach toward Greece:

"IMF minutes from 2010 confirm what Syriza has always argued: the country was already bankrupt and needed debt relief rather than new loans. This was overruled in order to save the euro and to save Europe's banking system at a time when EMU had no defences against contagion"

Finance minister Yanis Varoufakis rightly calls the EU austerity plan 'a cynical transfer of private losses from the banks' books onto the shoulders of Greece's most vulnerable citizens'...Marc Chandler, from Brown Brothers Harriman, says the liabilities incurred – pushing Greece's debt to 180% of GDP - almost fit the definition of "odious debt" under international law. "The Greek people have not been bailed out. The economy has contracted by a quarter. With deflation, nominal growth has collapsed and continues to contract," he said."

The Greeks know this. They have been living it for five years, victims of the worst slump endured by any industrial state in 80 years, and worse than European states in the Great Depression. The EMU creditors have yet to acknowledge in any way that Greece was sacrificed to save monetary union in the white heat of the crisis, and therefore that it merits a special duty of care. Once you start to see events through Greek eyes – rather than through the eyes of the north European media and the Brussels press corps - the drama takes on a different character."

Mr. Evans-Pritchard also points out that no developed country has ever defaulted on a payment to the IMF. Given the arduous path being forced upon Greece by its EU creditors, I believe that the IMF's ratio of 'non-performing loans' (banker-speak for 'default') is about to see an increase.

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The next twelve months are going to be a defining era for the European Union, which is dealing with several crises in parallel - a significant downward move in the euro's value, its potential (and in my opinion, inevitable) eviction of a member country, and a pending decision on whether to further extend Russian sanctions.

Those first two problems are difficult enough to deal with, but it is the third that may ultimately drive a wedge between the US and the EU. As mentioned in the second part of this series, the US is indifferent to Russian sanctions - trade with Russia comprises less than 0.3% of US GDP. Yet Russia is normally a significant importer of EU agricultural goods - which Moscow banned in response to last year's sanctions. Loss of that market is proving catastrophic to several large European agricultural and industrial companies, leading many politicians - including the Italian foreign minister - to call for an end to sanctions. This transatlantic divergence of economic interests may prove to be the ultimate undoing of America's anti-Russian containment strategy.

I also believe that another factor may prove to have even more of an impact - namely, America's plummeting reputation in foreign policy circles when it comes to hot air and broken promises. Putting aside its incompetent and capricious foreign policy in the Middle East - immortalized in this Twitter quote - the Obama Administration is making no friends in eastern Europe. Take Ukraine, for example, where US Secretary of State John Kerry pledged to "stand by" the Ukrainian government even though less than half of the aid it promised last year has been delivered. Instead of the aid promised, the Ukrainians received a speech from Kerry with a long list of platitudes and tough talk, but no commitment to action or clarity on when or whether promised aid will actually be delivered.

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European governments are increasingly employing 'realpolitik' when it comes to their dealings with America, as evidenced by widespread interest in joining China's new infrastructure investment bank despite strong US lobbying. This new reality is also playing out in eastern Europe, where decision-makers are comparing historical US and NATO commitment against Putin's resolve and track record.

Given the past year's events, it is perhaps not surprising that Europe's eastern periphery is rapidly becoming more pragmatic in its dealings with Russia.

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The best way to wrap up this series does not involve further analysis of the past. Instead, we should search for indicators that provide any insights for what the future holds with relations between Russia and the West.

One event worthy of a close look is the upcoming Victory Day celebrations in Moscow, as mentioned earlier. This will be the 70th anniversary of the end of World War II, and the Russians - who absorbed more of the burden in defeating the Nazis than any other country - take the event seriously. In past years the event has been well-attended by Western heads of state, to include US President George W. Bush and German Chancellor Angela Merkel. This year, nearly all Western leaders will boycott the event - with the exceptions of Greece, Cyprus and the Czech Republic. Twenty-six other heads of state are reportedly on the confirmed attendee list, to include Indian President Pranab Mukherjee, President Xi Jinping of China, and Kim Jong Un of North Korea. The latter two are particularly interesting in light of Russia's increasing focus toward the opening of new export markets and alliances in North Asia - which as I have previously commented, will see a greater economic transformation in the next twenty years than any other region on Earth. On 9 May, the VIP reviewing stand in Red Square will provide a telling glimpse into Russia's expanding sphere of influence.

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Less than three years ago US President Obama mocked his political opponent Mitt Romney for citing Russia as the USA's primary geopolitical threat, stating "The 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back. Because the Cold War has been over for 20 years."

Politicians are not known for issuing mea culpas, and this particular President is certainly not known for speaking with journalists who ask tough questions - but I would gladly buy a ticket to any studio broadcast today where the interviewer played that sound bite for the President and asked him whether he still believes that to be true.

Russia certainly has many flaws and weaknesses - some of the world's worst demographic statistics, its "one-trick pony" export economy, and frequent hostility toward foreign investors - but its near-monopoly on natural gas supplies, nuclear arsenal and military force projection capabilities shall ensure that it retains a position of strength relative to the European Union for the foreseeable future.

If Western leaders want to contain a resurgent Russia and limit the damage of another Cold War, they would be well-advised to drop unhelpful rhetoric, seek an immediate end to anti-Russian sanctions, and adjust economic policies that are pushing periphery EU countries into Moscow's orbit.

The Middle East's ongoing descent into chaos and China's impending ascendancy to the status of global superpower are just two of the many threats that the US, European Union and Russia all share. Each of these issues should certainly occupy a higher position on their respective agendas than the breakup of Ukraine or the insolvency of Greece. Leaders of all three governments would be well-advised to set aside their differences, or at least to prevent those differences from obstructing cooperation on more important issues. Unlike its predecessor, the Second Cold War will not be bilateral. Today's world is far more chaotic, kinetic and dangerous than it was fifty years ago.

[Apr 11, 2015] McFaul asks why Obama has Cuba/Iran success, not Russia. Simonyan - "you"

Quote: "...they don't call the usa the exceptional nation for nothing… pathetic or bully nation would be better, as we reached that point a long time ago.."
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Warren , April 11, 2015 at 8:08 am

Moscow Exile , April 11, 2015 at 8:34 am

McFaul seems to consider the sanctions continually imposed by the USA and its lackeys against Russia to be of no consequence.

The thing is about sanctions is that they are deemed as punishment – but by whom and what for and on whose judgement?

Meeting out judgements from on high – acting as judge, jury and executioner on the assumption that one has the god-given right to do – and directing punishments at particular parties does not lead to the development of cordial relations between the United States and those whom it chooses to chastize.

james, April 11, 2015 at 9:11 am

you've articulated it exactly as i see it… cheif judge, executioner, jury and etc – with no accountability to any international over sight… they don't call the usa the exceptional nation for nothing… pathetic or bully nation would be better, as we reached that point a long time ago..

Warren. April 11, 2015 at 10:10 am
The United States not only has a Manifest Destiny to rule the North American continent but also be a City upon a Hill for the world to marvel and aspire to.

Russia is a child that needs to be disciplined and taught how to behave.

Moscow Exile, April 11, 2015 at 1:04 pm
Exactly! And the words "behave" and "behaviour" are often used in the West when referring to Russian state policies, frequently anthropomorphizing that state as the Evil One, he whom we are obliged to hate and reject as embodiment of all that is contrary to that which USA and its acolyte "International Community" represents.

Witness, for example, the words of Obama, Kerry and Call-Me-Dave and others in this respect:

Obama on Russia: 'Behavior That Has No Place In the Community of Nations'

But the star prize in this respect goes to Motyl:

Such countries as France and Germany, which have extensive economic relations with Russia, face a difficult moral choice. They must ask themselves whether Putin is evil or evil enough. If they decide his killing spree in eastern Ukraine is neither evil nor evil enough, they must explain - to themselves and to the rest of the world - just why they believe the destruction of Ukrainian, Russian, Malaysian, Dutch and other lives is not a form of evil behavior.

If, alternatively, Putin's behavior strikes them as evil, they must either act on that conviction, in the manner suggested above, or explain to themselves and the rest of the world just why their enhancing Putin's war-making proclivities is not wrong.

See: Motyl: Putin, just evil enough

[Apr 10, 2015] Thursday Unemployment Claims

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Mary wrote on Wed, 4/8/2015 - 6:53 pm

Rub a Buddha Belly Bulletin

[1] the most certain of them being the lifting of the embargo on Greek agricultural products....

[2] the Russian authorities will check 20 Greek companies and the most likely scenario, according to sources of Mega TV, is the establishment of joint Greek-Russian companies for the processing of agricultural products. ...

[3] another "gift" to the Greek economy, namely to remit the fines associated with the low gas consumption in Greece.

Putin's expensive gifts for Tsipras 24-hours ago

Both men made it clear there had been no Greek request for a loan but agreed that there could be grounds for Russian investment in Greece in the future.
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[4] Putin said Russia has an interest in Greek privatizations, with the Thessaloniki Port Authority being one of the most appealing assets to Moscow [COSCO, CHINA]. The president also suggested his country could provide credit for joint projects with Greece in the future, possibly including the planned Turkish Stream pipeline to carry Russian gas to Europe via Turkey.

Tsipras-Putin talks yield pledge for better ties but no results today
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Leader of Independent Greeks seeks loans from Russia
Athens opposes EU energy strategy, blocks privatisations
"An important element of the transparency will be the Commission to also check the bilateral contracts with third countries [E.G. Azerbaijan,Turkmenistan, Putin] for gas deliveries and to give advice what are the prices in the contracts of other member states."
Something Like an Energy Union but Rather Just Another Strategy

[Apr 10, 2015] Exhumation of fascism by neoliberalism

Apr 06, 2015 | Izvestia

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The term "fascism" was initially defined as a local phenomenon - the regime of Italian dictator Benito Mussolini. Later, the term changed its meaning and has become synonymous with Nazism (national socialism) of the Third Reich. During 1950-1990-Western political science began to call fascism any repressive regime and introduced the term "totalitarianism". This was done in order to combine Nazism and communism, those two social phenomenon were ideologically polar and has had a different social base despite using similar cruel methods.--[ I do not see much difference in enslavement via Gulag with ensavement via decration of undermench -- NNB] In one case, the the driving force was large industrialists and the middle class, in another - mostly the urban poor and part of intelligencia, especially Jewish intelligencia.

The theory of binary totalitarianism has no serious scientific status. The term "fascism" has now been returned to its historical meaning. It is a synonym of racism and all of its varieties - crops-racism (the idea of cultural superiority), the social racism (the idea of social inequality as the nature of this division of people into masters and slaves), etc.

Usually researchers try to distill the signs of fascism. For example, the Italian philosopher Umberto Eco counted 14. But this approach only blurs the subject. The myth of superiority is a key symptom. The rest is optional. Additional definitions are generated by the desire to "attach" to fascism more than that.

For example, "nationalism". Normal people are proud of their nation and its culture, but do not seek to destroy other peoples. This is the difference between nationalism and Nazism.

Or "traditionalism". If fascism were based in the traditions of the peoples, then some nations would have dwelt for centuries in the fascist state of fever. Tradition is the enemy of the "voice of blood", and there is no logic of exclusion of other people in traditions, while fascism lives this logic . Not coincidentally, he is associated with the Protestant line in Christianity and its idea of "chosen for salvation". Apart from the idea of exclusiveness, fascism is born with the spirit of renewal, the destruction of the weak and "unnecessary" for the sake of winning power, novelty and rationality. I repeat: tradition is the main enemy of fascism.

The idea of a strong state accompanies fascism, but does not define it. The Olympics of 1936, "Olympia" by Leni Riefenstahl are symbols of a strong statehood. But Hitler's fascism was not defined by the Olympics, but by the Nuremberg racial laws, summary execution of Slavs, Jews and Gypsies, the plans of the colonization of the Eastern territories.

Yes, the war of 1941-1945 was the war between two authoritarian States, but only from the German side it was an ethnic war. There were no intentions to carry out the genocide of "inferior Aryans" in minds of Soviet soldiers or Joseph Stalin.

In Europe in recent decades, it was fashionable to talk about fascism as "a reaction to Bolshevism". Indeed, the growing influence of leftist ideas in Europe in the first half of the twentieth century caused activation of right-wing forces. But the roots of fascism are more ancient then Marxist and Bolshevik. Fascism arose as a justification for colonial expansion. Hitler didn't invent anything new. He just moved to the center of Europe bloody colonialist methods of the British, the French, the Spaniards, and made the destruction of people fast and technically perfect: gas chambers, mass graves. In a way fascism is application of colonial methods to the part of population of the country, internal colonization so to speak.

The regime of the 1930-ies in Germany is the legitimate child of the European liberal capitalism. But this conclusion is seriously injures European sense of identity. That's why this statement is a strict taboo in the West --[not really, the hypothesis of intrinsic connection of fascism with European (colonial) culture are pretty common --NNB]. But the truth eventually comes out. Authors from European left now more frequently touch this connection and try to develop this hypothesis.

Today we are witnessing a return to archaization of neoliberal society and slide of neoliberalism into "new barbarism." Hence the reasoning of the European politicians about Ukraine as an "Outpost of civilization". However, the assertion that Russia "does not meet democratic standards", those days unlikely will deceive anyone. Euphemisms is a product of distortion of the language, not political reality. This phrase marks Russia as a "defective" state, inhabited by "inferior" people - "watniks", "colorado bugs". Neo-fascist model within the framework of liberalism is often built by shifting the boundaries of tolerance. To some people tolerance applies, to other - no. The protection of the rights of one group in this case means the destruction of the rights of another.

Political myth about the deep opposition between liberalism and Nazism have always refuted by independent historians. Today this myth is completely discredited.

There are obvious interplay and close relationship between the two ideas - fascist and liberal - obviously. They both go back to the idea of natural selection, transferred to human society. In other words, the strongest must survive at the expense of the weakest. this doctrine is often called "Social Darwinism". Indeed, the principle of "preservation of the fittest races", transposed into social sciences, resulted in the adoption of the Nuremberg laws designed to protect the "purity of race and blood" - the "law of the citizen of the Reich" and "Law on the protection of German blood and German honor."

The return of fascism is a symptom of a certain historical tendencies. To such radical measures economic elites resort only for the postponement of the final world crisis. But in the end it is fascism that might again bring Western societies to the wedge of collapse.

[Apr 04, 2015] Big Brother's Liberal Friends by Henry

The US elite does not like the message and thus is ready to kill the messenger... See Snowden interview with Katrina van den Heuvel and Stephen F Cohen at the Nation. Another interesting idea is the in the quote of Bruce Wilder: " classification as a mechanism for broadcasting information is exactly right, and a revelation, at least to me."
October 27, 2014 | Crooked Timber

I've an article in the new issue of The National Interest looking at various liberal critiques of Snowden and Greenwald, and finding them wanting. CT readers will have seen some of the arguments in earlier form; I think that they're stronger when they are joined together (and certainly they should be better written; it's nice to have the time to write a proper essay). I don't imagine that the various people whom I take on will be happy, but they shouldn't be; they're guilty of some quite wretched writing and thinking. More than anything else, like Corey I'm dismayed at the current low quality of mainstream liberal thinking. A politician wishes for her adversaries to be stupid, that they will make blunders. An intellectual wishes for her adversaries to be brilliant, that they will find the holes in her own arguments and oblige her to remedy them. I aspire towards the latter, not the former, but I'm not getting my wish.

Over the last fifteen months, the columns and op-ed pages of the New York Times and the Washington Post have bulged with the compressed flatulence of commentators intent on dismissing warnings about encroachments on civil liberties. Indeed, in recent months soi-disant liberal intellectuals such as Sean Wilentz, George Packer and Michael Kinsley have employed the Edward Snowden affair to mount a fresh series of attacks. They claim that Snowden, Glenn Greenwald and those associated with them neither respect democracy nor understand political responsibility.
These claims rest on willful misreading, quote clipping and the systematic evasion of crucial questions. Yet their problems go deeper than sloppy practice and shoddy logic.

Rich Puchalsky 10.27.14 at 11:03 pm

"Yet this does not disconcert much of the liberal media elite. Many writers who used to focus on bashing Bush for his transgressions now direct their energies against those who are sounding alarms about the pervasiveness of the national-security state."

It's not just the elite. I can't wait for the Lawyers, Guns, and Money get-out-the-vote drive. We'll have to see whether the slogan is "Vote, Stupid Purity Trolls" or "The Lesser Evil Commands". Maybe just two-tone signs labeling their target voters "Dope" and "Deranged".


Dr. Hilarius 10.27.14 at 11:44 pm

An excellent analysis and summation.

Any defense of the national security state requires the proponent to show, at a minimum, that the present apparatus is competent at its task. Having lived through Vietnam, the Gulf Wars, Iraq and Afghanistan (not to mention many smaller governmental adventures) I see no evidence of competence. Instead, it's repetitive failures of analysis and imagination no matter how much raw intelligence is gathered.

Nor is there any evidence that existing oversight mechanisms function as intended. Recent revelations about the CIA spying on the Senate should be enough to dispel the idea that leakers have no role to play.

Kinsley is particularly loathsome. His position is little more than "your betters know best" and that the state's critics are guttersnipes needing to be kicked to the curb. Kinsley doesn't need a coherent position, his goal is to be a spokesman for the better sorts, nothing more.

Collin Street 10.27.14 at 11:53 pm

Any defense of the national security state requires the proponent to show, at a minimum, that the present apparatus is competent at its task

Dunning-Kruger, innit. There are actually pretty good reasons to believe that strategic intelligence-gathering is pretty much pointless (because your strategic limitations and abilities by-definition permeate your society and are thus clearly visible through open sources), so you'd expect in that case that the only people who'd support secret strategic intelligence-gathering would be people who don't have a fucking clue.

[specifically, I suspect that secret strategic intelligence gathering is particularly attractive to people who lack the ability to discern people's motivations and ability through normal face-to-face channels and the like…

… which is to say people with empathy problems. Which is something that crops up in other contexts and may help explain certain political tendencies intelligence agencies tend to share.]

Thornton Hall 10.28.14 at 12:03 am

This sentence is false and a willful distortion mixing legality and politics to elide the basic fact that the Justice Department has not prosecuted anyone who did not break the law:

The continued efforts of U.S. prosecutors to redefine the politics of leaking so as to indict journalists as well as their sources suggest that Greenwald had every right to be worried and angry.

Meanwhile, ever since Mark Felt blew the whistle on a psychopath and the result was the deification of Bob Woodward, the American elite has been utterly confused about the role of journalism in a democracy.

That your essay mixes Professor Wilentz with the father of #Slatepitch, and an archetypical "even the liberal New Republic…" journalist as if they all had the same job description is part and parcel of this ongoing inability to separate the job of selling newspapers from the job of public intellectual.

Glenn Greenwald is a "journalist" crank who is simply not in a category that overlaps with Daniel Ellsberg. Snowden is in the same category as Ellsberg, and Packer is right to note that he does not compare particularly well. But then Packer's analysis failed to explain why Snowden needed the judgment and gravitas of Ellsburg. And it was a side point in any case, because Packer's actual thesis was the sublimely stupid point that only "objective" journalism can be trusted to do leaks right.

The other unfortunate confusion I see in the essay is the mixing of domestic and foreign policy. There is not a single thing about the New Deal that informs opinion about Edward Snowden. Nothing. What does regulating poultry production have to do with killing Iraqis? What does the Civilian Conservation Core have to do with drone strikes in Pakistan? The Four Freedom speech was a pivot from domestic to foreign policy given in 1941. Freedom from Want was the New Deal. Freedom of Speech was about the looming conflict with fascism, not domestic policy.

Both confusions–the failure to recognize journalists as pawns selling newspapers and the failure to understand that foreign policy and liberalism do not have to be linked–result when the blind spots of the press and the academy overlap. In areas where journalists and the academy provide checks and balances to each other they tend to do well. Edward Snowden represents the apex of the overlap between academic and journalistic obsessions, and so no one is there to say: "Hey, the top freedom concerns of journalists and professors are not synonymous with freedom writ large or with liberalism.

Daniel Nexon 10.28.14 at 12:48 am

Liked the piece, even though we probably come down differently on some of the merits.

I wonder if the explanation isn't simpler. A number of what you term "national security liberals" have served in government and held clearances. Many of them - and here I include myself - took seriously that obligation. And so there's a certain degree of innate discomfort with the whole business of leaks, let alone those that don't seem narrowly tailored. Wikileaks was not. Snowden's leaks included par-for-the-course foreign-intelligence gathering (and this sets aside his escape to Hong Kong and subsequent decision to accept asylum from the Russia Federation).

I recognize that there's a larger argument that you've made about how the trans-nationalization of intelligence gathering - centered on the US - changes the moral equation for some of these considerations. I don't want to debate that claim here. The point is that you can be a civil-liberties liberal, believe that some of the disclosures have served the public interest, and still feel deeply discomforted with the cast of characters.

Rich Puchalsky 10.28.14 at 1:07 am

"still feel deeply discomforted with the cast of characters"

We need better leakers - leakers who honor their promises not to reveal inside information. Leakers who don't leak.

Not like that unsavory character, Daniel Ellsberg, who I hear had to see a psychiatrist.

Barry 10.28.14 at 1:09 am

" Indeed, in recent months soi-disant liberal intellectuals such as Sean Wilentz, George Packer and Michael Kinsley …"

Kinsley is a hack who occasionally coins a good term. At 'Even the Liberal' New Republic, he was a biddable wh*re for a vile man, Peretz. At Slate, he took the same attitude, preferring snark to truth, and built it into the foundations.

Packer is not an intellectual, either. He's a cheerleader for war who has just enough give-a-sh*t to right a book explaining the problems, long after it was clear to others that things had failed.

I don't know much about Sean Wilentz, except that he's a long time 'cultural editor' at 'Even the Liberal' New Republic under Peretz, which is a strike against him. Heck, it's two strikes.

BTW, after Watergate, the press did know its role in democracy – the elites are really against it. IIRC, Whatshername the owner of the WaPo actually praised 'responsible journalism' not too long afterwards.


Sev 10.28.14 at 1:58 am

#4 From a different era, the NYT story on use of Nazis by US spy agencies:

"In Connecticut, the C.I.A. used an ex-Nazi guard to study Soviet-bloc postage stamps for hidden meanings."

A certain skepticism, at least, than and now, seem fully justified.


Matt 10.28.14 at 2:48 am

I don't think that even the most transparent, democratic, public decision making process among American citizens can legitimately decide that German or Indian citizens cannot have privacy. If in Bizarro World that makes me illiberal, then I will be illiberal.

Losing the capability to conduct mass electronic surveillance is akin to losing the capability to make nerve gas or weaponized anthrax spores. It's a good thing no matter who loses the capability, or how loudly hawks cry about the looming Atrocity Gap with rival powers. It would be a better world if Russia and China also suffered massive, embarrassing leaks about their surveillance systems akin to the Snowden leaks. But a world where there's only embarrassing leaks about the USA and allies is better than a world with no leaks at all. Better yet, the same technical and legal adaptations that can make spying by the USA more difficult will also make Americans safer against spying efforts originating from China and Russia. It's upsides all the way down.

John Quiggin 10.28.14 at 2:57 am

""I can see C as justified but not decamping to Hong Kong and Russia.""

Again, given the fact that the "right" people are immune from prosecution for any crimes they commit in the course of politics (other than sexual indiscretations and individual, as opposed to corporate, financial wrongdoing) this seems like a pretty hypocritical distinction. Those involved in torture, from the actual waterboarders up to Bush and Cheney, don't have to think about fleeing the US – indeed, the only (small) risk they face is in travelling to a jurisdiction where the rule of law applies to them.

For the wrong people on the other hand, there are no reliable legal protections at all. On recent precedent they could be declared "enemy combatants", held incommunicado, tortured and, at least arguably, executed by military courts. This would require a reversal of stated policy by the Obama Administration, but that's a pretty weak barrier.

bad Jim 10.28.14 at 4:31 am

It's far from clear that the massive expansion of surveillance has actually been of any use. The West hasn't faced any strategic threats since the end of the Cold War, and even the Soviet threat was almost certainly less than we feared. Someone once remarked of the intelligence-gathering efforts of that era, "It's difficult to discover the intentions of a state which doesn't know its own intentions."

We seem to have been surprised by recent developments in the Middle East and by Russian actions in Crimea and Ukraine; more to the point, it's not necessarily clear how we can or should respond. It may be that the massive apparatus in place is unable to acquire the information we desire. It's not clear that better information would actually be useful.


dsquared 10.28.14 at 4:53 am

I always thought it would be instructive to compare the views of the "national security liberals" with a test case. What, for example, do they have to say about the other North American government which operates a grisly system of unregulated political prisons in the island of Cuba, but tries to portray itself as progressive because of its (admittedly excellent) record of providing healthcare to the poor?

William Timberman 10.28.14 at 5:34 am

I think one point could be made a little more explicitly. Beginning in the late Thirties, without a great deal of serious concern for the possible consequences, the machinery of the social welfare state in the U.S., such as it was, was gradually repurposed to serve the national security state, and from 1947 or so to the present, the pace of that repurposing has rarely slackened. One can argue about how much of it was attributable to intent, and how much to circumstance, how much or how little bad faith it took to complete the conversion, but there's little doubt that it's now largely over and done with, and that the consequences are there to see for anyone who cares to look.

George Packer may think that the national security state is a perfectly admirable creation, but if so, I'd question whether or not he's really a liberal. By any definition of liberalism I'm aware of, it's odd liberal indeed who doesn't think Edward Snowden ought to be trusted with sensitive information, but doesn't at all mind leaving it in the custody of Keith Alexander.

maidhc 10.28.14 at 8:03 am

The CIA produced the Pentagon Papers under orders from LBJ. They produced a document blaming everything on the stupid politicians while the CIA was always right. Unfortunately no one could read it because it was secret. Hence it was leaked to the New York Times.

Woodward and Bernstein had intelligence backgrounds. The Washington Post was known to have close CIA ties. Everyone involved in Watergate was tied to the CIA and the Bay of Pigs. Nixon was taken down from the right.

If you look at those Cold War days, almost everything that was considered to be highly secret, the world would have been better off if it had been public knowledge. Major policy decisions on both sides were based on false information provided by intelligence services.

That is not to say that things that happened back in those days are unimportant now. The career of Stepan Bandera, for example, is tied in very closely with today's headlines.

J Thomas 10.28.14 at 8:43 am

#12 Watson Ladd

I can easily imagine bribing Putin's butler to be an easy and effective way to get good information on both of those, and I can imagine that doing so openly would be catastrophic.

Whyever would you expect Putin's butler to know either of those?

But I find this plausible - Putin's butler goes to the secret police and tells them he's had an offer. They say "OK, take the money and tell them this:" and they give him a cover story to tell the spies.

Continuing the story, a top general's batman does the same thing, but the secret police do not coordinate well enough and he gets a different cover story.

Another top general's mistress does it and gets a third cover story to tell. The stories do not add up at all.

So then somebody in the CIA looks at all the conflicting data, and MAKES UP a story which makes sense, concentrating on estimates of capabilities, and estimates about what choices are likely based on internal politics etc.

The report reaches various people in the military with a need-to-know, who discount it and who make their mostly-mundane decisions about preparation on the basis of path-of-least-resistance. The report may even reach the President, who also discounts it.

Furthermore, plenty of information that isn't strategic in nature can be very useful. Knowing that in event of war, your fighter planes can outmatch theirs, is useful.

How would you find that out, except by testing it for real with their real pilots with real training, etc? Base it on the performance claims by US manufacturers versus the potential enemy's manufacturing claims?

So is knowing that they are planning to invade a country, or are actively collaborating with terrorist organizations.

The USA makes plans to invade other countries *all the time*. Often we publicly threaten to invade them for a year or more ahead of time, while we slowly build up supply dumps in nearby areas. It usually isn't hard to tell whether a nation is ready to invade some particular other nation. The hard part is predicting whether or when they actually do it. Chances are, they don't know themselves and nobody in the world can accurately predict that until shortly before it happens.

The USA and Israel actively cooperate with terrorist organizations *all the time*. It doesn't mean that much. Except we can use it for propaganda. "Our enemies actively collaborate with terrorist organizations! Our secret intelligence organizations have proof, but we can't show it to you because that would compromise our sources. Trust us."

Very little of this is likely to be reported openly, particularly from dictatorships.

Or from the USA. Or from anybody, really. We all like our surprises.

J Thomas 10.28.14 at 8:57 am

#19 Daniel Nexon

As I suggested above, albeit perhaps opaquely, it is perfectly possible to say "I can see C as potentially justified, but not D… G" and to say "I can see C as justified but not decamping to Hong Kong and Russia."* These strike me as categorically distinct arguments from "Snowden, Greenwald, and Assange aren't the 'right sort of people," even if those advancing that claim invoke some of the same warrants.

I don't understand this sort of claim. Normally, US citizens have basicly no information about what our expensive secret-creating organizations do. The basic argument is "Trust us. We're doing good, but it would be catastrophic if you knew.".

Now we have a more-or-less-random samples from Snowden and Manning. So my questions about their personal character center around two themes:

1. Did they release false data, created by the US government to make cover stories to hide the real stuff that the US government does not want us to know?

2. Did they release false data, created by some foreign government and intended to discredit the US government?

3. Are there important discrepancies between them, that might indicate that at least one of them was doctored?

Apart from those, why are we talking about Snowden or Manning or Greenwald, instead of what we've found out about our government?


Barry 10.28.14 at 12:04 pm

Tony Lynch 10.28.14 at 4:30 am

"The persoanl animosity towards GG from, presumably, people with no personal relationship to GG, is weird. Whence this incessant personalism – not only from Kinsley et. al., but from those who claim more genuine liberal and left convictions? Why does it seem important to approach things by venting this personal animosity?"

Here are my thoughts:

1). Most of these elite journalists are leakers of classified information, and guilty of serious felonies. However, they are lapdogs of the establishment, and comparable more to Pravda than a free press. They don't like unauthorized leaks.

2). All three liberals mentioned eat a lot of right-wing sh*t, for actual liberals. Again, they are lapdogs, who occasionally criticize, but in a limited fashion. Heck, Kinsley played Buchanon's poodle on TV show. They therefore don't like people who actually oppose the establishment, moreso because it shows them up as the frauds that they are.

lvlld 10.28.14 at 1:17 pm

@39

Not quite.

MacNamara (politician) ordered his staff (Office of the Secretary of Defense) to carry out the study (they got some material from the CIA and State), out of a concern that the whole thing might be a huge mistake on the part of US policymakers – politicians and otherwise – from World World 2 on down. That was July, 1967. He resigned a few months later, the report was completed in late 1968.

Dan Ellsberg (Rand, ex-OSD) was involved in producing it, and was dismayed by the scale of the official deceptions and thought that yes, this was probably material in the public interest. He leaked it to the Times and the Post, the latter of which's decision to publish on June 18, 1971 was not made in consultation with its city beat reporters, Carl Bernstein and Bob Woodward.

Thornton Hall 10.28.14 at 2:15 pm

So the following points are uncontroverted:

  • Glenn Greenwald is a clown, but this fact has nothing to do with anything.
  • Edward Snowden is a bit dim on how the world works, and this has had consequences good bad and otherwise.
  • When white elites are forced to consider the criminal justice system they are shocked, shocked to find that prosecutors are arbitrary and vindictive assholes.
  • Our vocabulary of politics is hopelessly confused to the point where a political science professor will assert that a fellow professor's support for the New Deal is in conflict with his position on the NSA.
  • Elites insist on confusing the motives and morality of leakers with the motives and morality of journalists.

J Thomas 10.28.14 at 2:16 pm

#13 Andrew F

He claimed that the CIA might hire Chinese gangsters to murder him, or journalists associated with him, among other things. So to say that he has a "teenager's conspiratorial view of the world" is not to speak without some justification.

This minor point deserves some thought.

Do you have more access to CIA secrets than Snowden did?

If not, why do you believe that your understanding of what the CIA might do is better informed than his was?

Layman 10.28.14 at 2:23 pm

"I think it is perfectly fair to judge Snowden based on the totality of his actions. Isn't that how we're supposed to judge people? "

Why judge him at all, in the context of discussing his revelations and what they mean for civil liberties? It's perfectly clear that some people choose to judge Snowden in order to dismiss those revelations. Isn't that the point of the OP? Do you agree that your personal distaste for Snowden is irrelevant to the larger question? And that people who seek to distract from that larger question by focusing on Snowden's character are engaged in hackery?

Bruce Wilder 10.28.14 at 3:51 pm

Dan Nexon @ 47

The apparatus of surveillance and the system of classification are both parts of a vast system of secrecy - aspects of the architecture of the secret state, the deep state.

I've had a security clearance, and so have some personal acquaintance with the system of classification and what is classified, why it is classified and so on, as well as experience with the effect classification has on people, their behavior and administration. I see people sometimes elaborate the claim that, of course the state must have the capacity to keep some information confidential, which is undoubtedly true, but sidesteps the central issue, which is, what does the system of classification do? what does the secrecy of the deep state do? What is the function of the system of classification?

From my personal acquaintance, I do not think it can be said that its function is to keep secrets. Real secrets are rarely classified. Information is classified so that it can be communicated, and in the present system operated by the U.S. military and intelligence establishment, broadcast. I suppose, without knowing as an historic fact, that the system of classification originated during WWII as a means to distribute information on a need-to-know basis, but that's not what goes on now. The compartmentalization that the term, classification, implies, is largely absent. That Manning or Snowden could obtain and release the sheer volume of documents that they did - not the particular content of any of them - is the first and capital revelation concerning what the system is, and is not. The system is not keeping confidential information confidential, nor is it keeping secrets; it is broadcasting information.

The very idea that a system that broadcasts information in a way that allows someone at the level of a Manning or Snowden to accumulate vast numbers of documents has kept any secrets from the secret services of China or Russia is, on its face, absurd. The system revealed by the simple fact of the nature of Snowden's and Manning's breaches is not capable of keeping secrets. Snowden was a contractor at a peripheral location, Manning a soldier of very low rank.

Rich Puchalsky 10.28.14 at 3:57 pm

This comment thread is just as disgusting as the comment threads elsewhere, so I'll direct people to what I think is one of the best articles on all this: Bruce Sterling's.
William Timberman 10.28.14 at 4:00 pm

Bruce Wilder @ 72

Fox News for apparatchiks. Brilliant, especially since not even Keith Alexander in his specially-equipped war room had any idea how many apparatchiks there were, nor where they were, nor what they were up to when his panopticon was looking the other way.


Bruce Wilder 10.28.14 at 4:02 pm

Rich Puchalsky : If only the government could tell us the real story! Then we'd know that they aren't lying.

The system of classification is a system of censorship. It creates a system of privileged access to information that permits highly-placed officials to strategically leak information as a means to manipulate the political system.

It doesn't keep secrets from the enemies of democracy abroad; it creates enemies of democracy at home, placing them in the highest reaches of government.

J Thomas 10.28.14 at 4:14 pm

357 Layman

"I think it is perfectly fair to judge Snowden based on the totality of his actions. Isn't that how we're supposed to judge people? "

Why judge him at all, in the context of discussing his revelations and what they mean for civil liberties?

Judging Snowden is a very serious matter for everybody who has a security clearance.

If you have a clearance, then you have to consider whether or not you ought to do the same thing. On the one hand you swore an oath not to. You would be breaking your word. And you can expect to be punished severely.

On the other hand, there are the things you know about, that have destroyed American democracy. Do you have an obligation to the public? But then, you probably know that it's already too late and nothing can be done.

What should you do? In that context, deciding just how wrong Snowden was, is vitally important.

It's perfectly clear that some people choose to judge Snowden in order to dismiss those revelations.

Well sure, of course. If it's their job to patch things up, they have to use whatever handle is available.

But apart from the hacks, every single honest person who has a security clearance has to somehow find a way to justify that he has not done what Snowden did. If Snowden did it incompetently, he might have an obligation to do it better. Or maybe his obligation instead is to the power structure and not to the people.

Likely by now there is better technology in place to catch people who try to reveal secrets. We can't know how many people have tried to reveal secrets since Snowden, who have failed and disappeared.

Layman 10.28.14 at 4:15 pm

Bruce Wilder @ 72

Bravo! This view of classification as a mechanism for broadcasting information is exactly right, and a revelation, at least to me.

[Apr 03, 2015] C-Suite Survey Executives increasingly gloomy about oil shock's impact on economy Richard Blackwell

March 30, 2015 | BNN News/The Globe and Mail
Canadian executives are increasingly gloomy about the prospects for Canada's economy, and are fearful that the recent drop in oil prices will stunt the country's growth in the coming year.

The latest quarterly C-Suite survey reveals the most pessimistic mood in the corner office since mid-2009, when the country was still in the grips of a deep recession.

Almost 40 per cent of the executives surveyed said they expect the economy to decline in the next year, a sharp increase from the 23 per cent who felt that way in December. Last summer, only 3 per cent thought a decline was in the offing.

The main culprit is the precipitous fall in oil prices, which has knocked the wind out of the oil patch, put Alberta's finances in a precarious position, and caused economic ripples across the country.

"We are certainly going to have a slow-growth year," said Arni Thorsteinson, president of Shelter Canadian Properties Ltd., a Winnipeg-based company that owns commercial and residential real estate across the country, including some in Fort McMurray, Alta. "The impact from the decline in oil prices is substantive because capital investment in the energy market has really been the main driver [of the economy] for the last five years."

Lower oil prices and the lower Canadian dollar should help consumers and exporters, Mr. Thorsteinson said, but many of those benefits can take months or years to come to fruition.

He noted that his firm has investments in hotels, which will theoretically gain if more foreign tourists are attracted by the lower loonie. "But those booking patterns take two years or longer to kick in," he said. "By the time they get around to coming, it could be 2017."

On the other hand, the impact of low oil prices was felt almost instantly in the oil patch, which was stunned by the sudden plunge.

"None of us saw it coming," said Murray Toews, chief executive officer of Bonnett's Energy Corp., a Grande Prairie, Alta-based oil-field services company. As late as last December, he said, the general view was that 2015 would be similar to 2014. Instead, "Boom. The rug was pulled from underneath us."

While some may benefit from lower oil prices, "I don't think that this is good for the country at all," he said. "Whenever you get someone stumbling in any sector of our country it is going to affect us east to west."

Having learned its lesson from the 2008-09 recession, Bonnett's quickly cut back, trimming 15 per cent of its work force in February.

Bonnett's is certainly not alone, as many oil-sector firms swiftly trimmed staff and reduced spending plans. Indeed, the C-Suite results showed that 41 per cent of companies surveyed have taken specific initiatives in light of the drop in oil prices. The top moves include reducing capital spending, shifting investments and cutting staff.

While there is a broad consensus that Canada's economy is weakening as a result of lower oil prices, the survey also underlines significant regional differences in attitudes. Far more western-based executives – about 46 per cent – say the national economy will shrink in the next year, compared with Ontario where 29 per cent expect a decline.

... ... ...

About the survey:

The quarterly C-Suite survey was conducted for Report on Business and Business News Network by Gandalf Group, and sponsored by KPMG. The survey interviewed 152 executives between Feb. 23 and March 16, 2015.

Watch for coverage Monday on BNN and view the full survey.

[Apr 02, 2015] Hillary Clinton: foreign policy is her strong suit – but it could be her undoing by Tom McCarthy

Apr 02, 2015 | The Guardian

someoneionceknew 2 Apr 2015 20:51

Hillary Clinton: war mongering is her strong suit – according to media hacks.


BradBenson Ashok Choudhury 2 Apr 2015 19:04


Nonsense. Who are the wise? Hillary is a war criminal. She should not be elected for any reason. She should be shipped off to the Hague with Obama, Bush and Cheney.

BradBenson yesfuture 2 Apr 2015 18:57

Libya, for one. It's always been about light crude that is used for airplane fuel. Regaining control of Libya's Oil is BP Petroleum's prime project and Hillary supported it.

BradBenson Elton Johnson 2 Apr 2015 18:52

Congratulations, you are both wrong. We were occupiers in Iraq and were always going to incite bigger and more violent opposition groups. We should not have gone in. We should have gotten out sooner. We should not be there now.

BradBenson Michael Seymour 2 Apr 2015 18:49

This kid is a living, typing example of the way that Americans have been dumbed down over the years. He has no fucking clue as to what we are doing in the world and believes everything he hears on CNN and MSNBC (our so-called 'liberal' media outlets). He can no longer be reeducated.

He will live in fear that ISIS or some other phony terrorist group will plant a bomb in his toilet and thus suffer from constipation for the rest of his life.


Paul Moore Alchemist 2 Apr 2015 18:45

Bush vs. Clinton
Been there. Done that.


BradBenson Whitt 2 Apr 2015 18:42

Well, actually that is no longer possible. Still, should we continue to accept that status quo? We can't overthrow the government, but we could all vote third party. I'll not vote for a Bush or a Clinton in the coming election. If my vote is wasted, so be it. My conscience will be clear and I will no longer vote for a known War Criminal as I did when I voted for Obama the second time around.

BradBenson Batters56 2 Apr 2015 18:40

Boy have you got it bass ackwards. We wanted Obama to do the things he promised. Instead, he became a neo-con War Criminal on his first day in office and rejected everything for which he once claimed to have stood.

Here's the links. Read 'em and weep.

More information on Obama's Embrace of war, murder, torture and mayhem can be found at the following link.

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/19622-empire-under-obama-americas-secret-wars-in-over-100-countries-around-the-world

More information of the influence of the neocons upon Obama can be found at the following link.

http://consortiumnews.com/2014/06/23/obamas-true-foreign-policy-weakness/

BradBenson Whitt 2 Apr 2015 18:42

Well, actually that is no longer possible. Still, should we continue to accept that status quo? We can't overthrow the government, but we could all vote third party. I'll not vote for a Bush or a Clinton in the coming election. If my vote is wasted, so be it. My conscience will be clear and I will no longer vote for a known War Criminal as I did when I voted for Obama the second time around.

BradBenson Batters56 2 Apr 2015 18:40

Boy have you got it bass ackwards. We wanted Obama to do the things he promised. Instead, he became a neo-con War Criminal on his first day in office and rejected everything for which he once claimed to have stood.

Here's the links. Read 'em and weep.

More information on Obama's Embrace of war, murder, torture and mayhem can be found at the following link.

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/19622-empire-under-obama-americas-secret-wars-in-over-100-countries-around-the-world

More information of the influence of the neocons upon Obama can be found at the following link.

http://consortiumnews.com/2014/06/23/obamas-true-foreign-policy-weakness/

BradBenson lightstroke 2 Apr 2015 18:36

Nobody, including Obama. Where have you been for the past six years. Obama makes Bush look like a beginner. Bush started two wars. We now have seven that we know about and are militarily engaged in more than 100 countries.

The blind eye that you faux lefties turn toward Obama and Hillary is absolutely disgusting and hypocritical. Obama and Hillary are fucking WAR CRIMINALS--just like Bush and Cheney--in fact worse!

BradBenson diddoit 2 Apr 2015 18:34

Yes...in the wrong direction. He's beginning to reverse some of his earlier anti-interventionist statements and was one of 47 idiots that signed that letter to Ayatollah Khamenei. I like Rand for a while, strictly because of his 'opposition' to our wars and the domestic spying. Lately, he's back to trying to appeal to Evangelical Nutcases.

BradBenson Natasha2009 2 Apr 2015 18:30

Well Natasha, you are correct that US Foreign Policy should be about protecting US Interests--to a point. Where we may disagree is in how that policy has truly not served our best interests and certainly could not be said to have served in the best interests of the US or the Globe in any single respect--not one. When your only foreign policy is war and murder by drone, you are not serving anyone's interests but the arms dealers.

BradBenson Samuel Burns 2 Apr 2015 18:22

Our leaders have brought war, torture, murder and mayhem to the planet since the early 90's and have doubled down since 9/11. They are war criminals and the blame is correctly place upon the US. Wake up.

BradBenson fredimeyer 2 Apr 2015 18:19

Well I wish you were right, but it's not shaping up that way right now. That being said, she cannot win and we will all be stuck with another fucking Bush.

I'll be voting third party this year as will every other anti-war progressive.

BradBenson sour_mash 2 Apr 2015 18:17

Those ills are now the ills of the Obama Administration and I have pointed this out to you way too often in the past for you not to have gotten it. Obama embraced Bush's War Crimes and made them his own. Quit apologizing and making excuses for this murderous SOB. Here again are the links. Educate yourself.

More information on Obama's Embrace of war, murder, torture and mayhem can be found at the following link.

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/19622-empire-under-obama-americas-secret-wars-in-over-100-countries-around-the-world

More information of the influence of the neocons upon Obama can be found at the following link.

http://consortiumnews.com/2014/06/23/obamas-true-foreign-policy-weakness/

macmarco 2 Apr 2015 18:14

She like Obama are militarists. Obama astounded his progressive supporters with his praise for militarism at Nobel. Hillary lost the primaries by hanging onto the 'Iraq was a just and good intervention'. Even if it was imposed by Bill it was idiotic when even some in the GOP were jumping ship.

BradBenson Mikhail Lykhin 2 Apr 2015 18:14

That's just sexist bullshit. She's a well-qualified war criminal and will wage our wars with the same audacity, ferocity and veracity of any man. In fact, she will be more brutal just to prove that women should be allowed to be the War-Criminal-in-Chief more often.

BradBenson Expatdownunder1 2 Apr 2015 18:11

Yep, I remember that too. That should have been a wake up call for any faux Democrats that hated Bush's Policies, but loved those same policies under Obama. Now these neo-con converts can't wait for Hillary to break the glass ceiling and become the greatest US War Criminal of all-time. She will never be President. Real lefties will stay home.

BradBenson toadwarrior 2 Apr 2015 18:07

It's not a matter of age. It's a matter of faulty policies and a total lack of any morality. I'm 64 and I'd match my intellectual acuity against anyone, young or old. I might not always win, but it wouldn't be because of my age if I lost.

Hillary is not qualified because she is a war criminal. Period.

Kikinaskald voxusa 2 Apr 2015 18:03

It was easier for Clinton to coordinate his politics with Europeans at that time. The US was the measure of everything.

But yes, I think you are right, Hillary may be moved by an excessive ambition rather than pure ideology. What I fear is that this ambition makes her prone to hard ideological positions and to alliaces with the worst currents of American politics. On the other hand, you are right, as a whole the Democrats may seem to be more reasonable and I, in Europe, probably underestimate the political climate in the country.

BradBenson Kikinaskald 2 Apr 2015 17:59

People with money back them and most of the American People have been dumbed down to believe that we are a beacon of freedom and democracy around the world.

Despite the fact that realistic Americans recognize the truth, we can no longer unseat the shadow government and will just have to wait for the inevitable collapse of the evil empire under its own weight. It will be tough, but the education will be good for the survivors--however difficult.

voxusa Kikinaskald 2 Apr 2015 17:48

Point taken.

But interestingly, there was much less "go-it-alone" foreign policy by Bill Clinton. He coordinated with European allies, for one--for which he was castigated by the Republicans. That sort of foreign policy really took off under Bush--the right-wing is contemptuous of Europe, the UN, and pretty much any other nation.

I agree with you that she's too hawkish--and that she has made a number of serious mistakes. But I think she's less ideologically driven that driven by her (maybe "pragmatic") ambition.

But the climate in the US is such that the Republican alternatives are *much* more extreme and aggressive -- they talk about waging war on a daily basis. It's truly terrifying.

But anyone more "moderate" that Clinton really doesn't stand a chance for the Democrats. The political climate is too extreme and money has totally corrupted our political process--big money is generally (*but not exclusively) interested in "advancing their interests" and "the rest of the world be damned." There really are no good alternatives--it's Clinton or someone like Bush, or even worse someone like Cruz, Christie, or Paul.

NomChompsky Natasha2009 2 Apr 2015 17:45

The world is in much worse shape and the U.S. held in much lower esteem since she was Secretary of State.

Hey.


BradBenson 2 Apr 2015 17:32

The people are not dissatisfied with Obama's Foreign Policy because it has somehow been too tepid. They are sick of his embrace of the worst war crimes of the neo-con right as his own and his failure to implement hope and change from the abuses of the Bush/Cheney Administration. To say that Hillary's experience as Secretary of State has given her anything more than experience in WAR CRIMES is an exaggeration if not outright mendacity.

Obama started with two wars and we now have at least seven. During Obama's Tenure, both he and Hillary were involved in: illegal drone murders; CIA Black Sites (Benghazi was actually about the freeing of illegally held Libyan Nationals from a CIA Black Site Prison); an illegal Coup d'état in the Ukraine, which nearly brought Europe to the brink of war; the overthrow of the Libyan Government, which resulted in a civil war and the rise of ISIS there; the failure of our policies in Syria and Yemen, resulting in major wars throughout the Middle East; the failure of the Arab Spring and the reestablishment of US-backed dictatorial strongmen in numerous Arab Countries. Hillary has promised to be "more aggressive" than her predecessor.

There is no basis for this woman to be elected and her candidacy will result in the US being saddled with Bush III. Anti-war Progressives WILL NOT vote for another war criminal and will either vote for a third party candidate or stay home.

More information on Hillary's War Crimes can be found at the following sites.

http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/14401-hillary-clintons-legacy-as-secretary-of-state
http://radio.foxnews.com/2014/10/29/cornel-west-calls-president-obama-and-hillary-clinton-war-criminals/
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/11/18/hillary-the-warmonger/

More information on Obama's Aggressive Foreign Policies and War Crimes can be found here.

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/19622-empire-under-obama-americas-secret-wars-in-over-100-countries-around-the-world
http://consortiumnews.com/2014/06/23/obamas-true-foreign-policy-weakness/

Matt062 2 Apr 2015 17:28

We don't call her Killary over here for nothing. There is no need to speculate about the future. We can already see her foreign policy in action in Yemen, where the USA is once again directing another lawless war of aggression.

Ask the Nobel Peace Prize Laureate how his targeted bombing of what little civilian infrastructure Yemen has? You know, dairy processing, electrical power installations, the usual list of war criminality we have all come to know so well and hate.

Ana ask how long will it take for mass starvation to kick in with a total naval blockade on a country that must import 100% of its grain?

normankirk 2 Apr 2015 17:02

Please, not Hillary. I'm not eligible to vote in American elections, but I do have a stake in staying alive. Hillary has to be a nutcase with her warmongering rhetoric.

And I'm not encouraged by Ukrainian oligarchs bloating the Clinton foundation with looted money


Kikinaskald voxusa 2 Apr 2015 16:56

I meant internationally. At that time nobody dared to oppose the US. Nowadys it's different. China challenges the US, in South America there are left governments and others that claim some independence. In Europe there is skepticism and critic of the American government. Iran made now an agreement on better terms than they had offered in 2003. Russia showed that they would act according to what they think it's their interest against American opposition. The US lost wars in Afghanistan and in Iraq. We have to consider all those failures and mistakes. Hillary Clinton is not the right person for that.


voxusa Kikinaskald 2 Apr 2015 16:38

"Bill Clinton could do whatever he wanted without much opposition."?

You must have missed the government shut-down by the right-wing and the mendacious obstructionism of Newtie Gingrich and his pals


Kikinaskald 2 Apr 2015 16:21

I wonder why the electorate keeps people in politics who are clearly unsuitable to be politicians. Many are crazy, are ignorant, are politically corrupt, have no common sense, have no scruples of any kind, are greedy. Why can't people have better choices? Why don't they send such people in retirement and vote for better politicians? Why do such politicians remain eternally in the political arena? Why do people take them seriously?


CroatianRoger 2 Apr 2015 16:14

If Clinton or Bush win we are in for more war, only Rand Paul will pull the troops back.
Apparently this election will cost about $5 billion, disgusting.


Kikinaskald 2 Apr 2015 16:12

but who may be guided by a preference for alliance-based negotiations of the kind that informed her husband's presidency

This doesn't mean very much. Times were completely different. The Soviet Union had just fallen when Bill Clinton was the president and the leadership of the US was not disputed. Today opposition to intervention is much stronger and an agressive politics which didn't function before when conditions were more favourable will not function now.

Bill Clinton could do whatever he wanted without much opposition. But he didn't seem to be very ideologically guided. He used military and diplomatic power because he had the power to do that, he was moved by custom, and for personal reasons (because of the scandals involving him).

Obama doesn't seem to be a very determined person, to have very strong convictions. He noticed that his power was limited and decided to take the easiest way. That means that he made mistakes, that he simply followed what Bush had begun without much questioning. But he tried to correct the course in some moments, to repair some mistakes, he took some positive initiatives.

Hilary Clinton on the other hand lacks some of the few qualities of past presidents while combining their bad qualities. She doesn't seem to be careful like Obama, she isn't so pragmatic as Bill Clinton, she's as ideological as some of the worse politicians in the US, she's as naive as Bush, she's as ignorant as McCain, she doesn't show any kind of moral and intellectual independence and autonomy: she sides with the worst tendencies of politics. The results cannot be good.

Speculation and discussions about all those cases (Ukraine, Syria and so on) show how insane political talk has become. It's funny, because they are exactly the result of long term faillures, political mistakes and so on. Obama often spoke wrong, but did the right thing in the end. H. Clinton would do the wrong thing in the end. I think that politis is too serious to be in the hand of people like her.

Expatdownunder1 2 Apr 2015 14:59

On the 22nd April 2008 Hillary Clinton made the following astonishing comment:"I want the Iranians to know that if I'm the President, we will attack Iran," she replied adding, "In the next 10 years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them". From that time on, I began to see her as a liability and was confirmed by innumerable speeches made as Secretary of State: speeches which displayed arrogance towards and ignorance of other cultures, together with a contempt for the political process.


Natasha2009 2 Apr 2015 14:41

How exactly is foreign policy her strong suit? The world is in much worse shape and the U.S. held in much lower esteem since she was Secretary of State. There is not one area of the world better off now due to her efforts.


Phil429 lightstroke 2 Apr 2015 13:55

Obama's strategy of forcing the regional players to sort things out themselves

This would be the same Obama who started the war on Libya and showered his Al-Qaeda buddies with weapons to terrorise the whole region, would it? The same Obama who tried to support Hosni Mubarak only until his defeat became undeniable, then worked to make sure his replacement would be as close to identical as possible? Whose State Department funded and enabled the Nazis who overthrew the government of Ukraine? Who's been devoted to indefinitely continuing the wars on Afghanistan and Iraq from his first day in office? Whose murder-by-drone campaign has caused vastly more devastation in Yemen and Pakistan than under Gov Bush? Who's turned Honduras into a living hell, tried to sanction the life out of Iran on fraudulent grounds with no authority and faithfully continued enabling every war crime Israel commits on its way to national suicide?
Anyone who considers that 'leaving others to sort things out' has lost all touch with reality.


Whitt brighterday 2 Apr 2015 12:48

"If some nutter like Jeb Bush wins, a major war is just a matter of time." - brighterday
*
Actually, in the current crop of Republicans making noises about running, Jeb Bush is the moderate one. Moderate being in a completely relative sense here.


TONY C 2 Apr 2015 12:08

A vote for Hillary is a vote for her undying support of the Iraq war. I hope this woman becomes undone at the seams for whatever can be made to stick. She is the same old pedigree of war mongers that both democrats and republicans push to the forefront of amerikkkan politics.


LowlyPeruser 2 Apr 2015 12:06

Hillary Clinton supported just about every military aggression in the Middle East (invading Iraq, bombing Syria and Lybia) that was on offer, and when the crap hit the fan (as in Benghazi) she was stupid enough to try to cover it up. Some strong diplomatic skills and wisdom she has, indeed....


sparafucile2 2 Apr 2015 11:24

Rand Paul is the only candidate on the horizon who could conceivably end America's disastrous love-affair with the neo-cons and neo-liberals. The thought of Hillary Clinton returning to the White House would be a bit like Cherie Blair returning to No 10.


DynamicDitherer 2 Apr 2015 11:24

Americans are being fed the idea that it is time a woman was in charge, like the first black president it is a con.

Anyone want to know what Hillary Clinton is about simply google "Hilary Clinton on Gadaffi" and it just about sums up US foreign policy REGARDLESS who is in the big chair.

If people in the UK really want to end the murders and mayhem our? foreign policies wreak around the globe then the only way to stop it is to vote green and be brave enough to usher in a brand new dawn in British politics as this shit has to stop, its only a matter of when, vote for the main parties and we are sending more of our own sons and daughters to go fight the banksters wars which in turn will unleash hell on the civillian populations of whatever country it is.. last time it was Libya, almost Syria... lets not let it happen again and perhaps bring foreign policy to the front of elections... no more war.


nonfiction 2 Apr 2015 11:02

She is an old fraud. She's told the world she was the one who brought peace to Northern Ireland, though it was certainly not anything she did that helped there. She told the world how brave she was, when she landed in a supposed danger zone, when in fact she and her daughter had landed to a peaceful welcome by a children's band. She showed no understanding of Palestine or of Israel. Internationally, she hasn't a clue. She's nothing but a grabby property developer. t can't believe even Americans are so easily hood-winked that they'd vote for her.


wimberlin 2 Apr 2015 10:42

She is obviously a bellicose bag - there is no doubt about that. However the irony is that this bellicose bag may be better than any wing-nut the Republicans decide to come up with in the next year.

American politics is all about money anyways - if she can get the really rich behind her, then she will get in.


Continent 2 Apr 2015 10:39

Foreign donations to foundation raise major ethical questions for Hillary Clinton ......

... Hillary, give the money back. Or don't run. You can't keep the money and run.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2015/02/18/foreign-donations-to-hillary-clintons-foundation-raise-major-ethical-questions/


DNAin1953 2 Apr 2015 10:28

In politics you do not need to be good, you just need to be better than the other choices and win a plurality of the electorate. Discussing someones merits or failings as a leader without contrasting that with the competition is a tiresome waste of time. Clinton is not impressive except in comparison with the lunatics from which her opponent will be choosen. It is this contrast that is the relevant one that should be discussed. Despote her many failings, she is the least bad choice among thoae on offer, by a country mile.


Continent 2 Apr 2015 10:28

Hillary Clinton: foreign policy is her strong suit

25 Mar 2008 ........ Hillary Clinton has conceded that she "did misspeak" about landing in Bosnia under sniper fire, blaming tiredness for a dramatic description that was shown to have been significantly exaggerated. .....

..... News footage of the event however showed her claims to have been wide of the mark, and reporters who accompanied her stated that there was no sniper fire. Her account was ridiculed by ABC News as "like a scene from Saving Private Ryan".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1582795/Hillary-Clintons-Bosnia-sniper-story-exposed.html


Seanymoon 2 Apr 2015 09:56

Madame is a war hawk's war hawk; and few major political figures belong more completely to Wall Street.

No thanks.

moncur 2 Apr 2015 09:48

Family dynasties are a disturbing, newish trend in Western democracies, particularly in USA. The Bushes, the Clintons...
There is no need to copy North Korea.

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[May 28, 2012] John Helmer What Ambulance-Chasing Lawyers Reveal About the MH17 Shoot-Down – Insufficient Evidence For Prosecution

"... Dutch media report Australian lawyers for kin of victims have filed a complaint with the ICC in the Hague seeking to indict several Dutch government ministers as well as Eurocontrol and others for 'gross negligence'. ..."
"... It now appears that the likelihood 'on balance' is that it was the Ukrainian government that shot down the plane. Establishing the case on a balance of probabilities would be good enough in a civil jurisdiction. ..."
"... Obviously we westerners cannot tolerate that result otherwise everything we have said about the accident will be thought to be intentionally misleading. It would be far far better to obfuscate the investigative results and say it was inconclusive. Then our newspapers can say those crafty Russians got away with it. ..."
"... Fingers crossed. Its not impossible that the truth will out. ..."
"... Thanks again Naked Capitalism for reporting important news that is neglected by others. ..."
May 28, 2012 | www.nakedcapitalism.com

Fifteen weeks later, by the time Abbott spoke in November, he had been briefed on the evidence gathered by Australian pathologists and the Victorian State Coroner from the bodies of MH17 victims. No evidence of shrapnel from a Buk missile warhead had been found. For that story, read on.

... ... ...

The refusal of the Australian officials to make the statutory declaration that they have the evidence under Australian law to declare a terrorist act suggests they don't have the evidence at all. Until now, noone has noticed the convergence of the Australian autopsy evidence in the Coroners Court in Melbourne, and the revelation in the Brisbane court that the government is refusing to declare a terrorist act.

... ... ...

For the Dutch Government's compilation of its official statements on the MH17 crash, open this file. According to van der Goen, none of the investigating countries has legitimate authority to prosecute, "if only because the Netherlands and the other countries mentioned are possible suspects themselves - and they refuse to see this. So the case will be endlessly shelved. Eventually, it will be adopted at a parliamentary inquiry that mistakes were made, but then noone will still be awake. Excellent solution."

Ilargi, October 8, 2015 at 1:53 am

Dutch media report Australian lawyers for kin of victims have filed a complaint with the ICC in the Hague seeking to indict several Dutch government ministers as well as Eurocontrol and others for 'gross negligence'.


Chris Williams, October 8, 2015 at 2:35 am

I don't know how our clever governments (US, Australia, Netherlands, UK etc) are going to get out of this one. Perhaps, as JH suggests, they will continue to defer and prevaricate, keeping their 'evidence'… until know one cares.

If I'm right, the Russians have the evidence that proves whodunnit. They're just waiting until the Dutch put out their report. Shot from the sky by military (whose is a guess) planes, not BUK missiles. If they had one atom from a BUK, we'd know about it.


JTMcPhee, October 8, 2015 at 9:09 pm

For a different and more complete view, one might read here:

America's Flight 17
The time the United States blew up a passenger plane-and tried to cover it up. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/war_stories/2014/07/the_vincennes_downing_of_iran_air_flight_655_the_united_states_tried_to.html

And here: Sea of Lies, http://alt-f4.org/img/seaoflies.html

Not some "itchy radar operator," it would seem. But the Narrative must be protected…

low_integer, October 9, 2015 at 6:22 am

So the damage to the body would come from the exploding engine. It's so big, spinning so fast, that the energy released is far, far, greater than the warheads. !!!

So, you can't tell either way based on the plane's body. You'd have to have microscopic analysis of the engine components - which would be very challenging and take just about forever.

Obfuscation. The parts in a passenger aircraft's jet engine that are moving, the turbine blades, are made of nickel-based superalloys and I believe they are single 'grain' components, which means they have consistent strength throughout and would be very unlikely to fracture. Also, damage to the fuselage of a passenger jet from turbine blades would be easily identifiable due to their shape and position as the energy of the turbine blades would be dispersed at right angles to the direction of thrust. Lastly, the casing around these blades would, at the very least, absorb a significant amount of this energy.

Are you the guy who replied to one of my posts that Cthulu caused 9/11?


RBHoughton, October 8, 2015 at 9:17 pm

It now appears that the likelihood 'on balance' is that it was the Ukrainian government that shot down the plane. Establishing the case on a balance of probabilities would be good enough in a civil jurisdiction.

Obviously we westerners cannot tolerate that result otherwise everything we have said about the accident will be thought to be intentionally misleading. It would be far far better to obfuscate the investigative results and say it was inconclusive. Then our newspapers can say those crafty Russians got away with it.

If not, eastern Ukraine and Russia will score a huge win and we will have even more egg on our faces than usual. Its bad enough that fewer people believe us but its far worse that they begin to prefer Putin's version.

The hopeful thing here is the lawyers. Older readers will recall people used to study law because they respected the concept of a law-based society. It was not just about the money. Some of these vocational lawyers can still be found and it is my hope that they get fully involved in this case. Fingers crossed. Its not impossible that the truth will out.

Thanks again Naked Capitalism for reporting important news that is neglected by others.


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