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The leaders of smaller and less industrialized nations are not madmen (whatever the media claims). They also are generally better informed than their citizens. In a war an attacker does not need equal forces compared to the enemy. The attacker needs a 5-fold local superiority, or better. No one begins wars without very definite objectives and a quick victory in sight. If a war with more even military balance erupts, someone has been mislead and walked into a trap (usually arranged by third party).

After the American war of Independence (1776-1779), and an English challenge to that independence (1812-1814) no single nation has planned an offensive war against the USA. It is probable that a strong coalition of Anglo-French-led European nations planned to split the USA into two states through diplomatic recognition of the Confederate states possibly followed up by naval blockade embargoing the Union. At that time the British Empire was the strongest naval power, and the French the second strongest. The events led, however, into the Civil War (1860-1865) and due to the Russian intervention 1863 (1863) on the Union's side, those European plans were quietly abandoned.

Mexican wars 1819, 1846-48: Long series of operations, commencing with the annexion of Florida (1819) and followed by a declaration of independence of Texas from Mexico (1836). Provocative troop movements near the U.S. southern border caused an incident which led to war. (It is said the US built a fortification 150 km inside the Mexican border.) The annexation of Texas by the USA and the conquest of California, New Mexico, and nearby territories followed. Mexico had a weak government at that time, because after Napoleon conquered Spain (1809) their former colonies soon revolted. Mexico had been a colony of the Spanish kingdom but now they revolted and formed a republic. There were a series of revolts, not just one.

Spanish-American war, 1898: The surprise explosion of the battleship Maine at Havana, Cuba. 255 of the crew died. The Hearst press accused the Spanish, claiming that the explosion was caused by a remote-controlled mine. The USA declared war on Spain, and conquered Philippines, Guam and Cuba. Subsequent investigations revealed that the explosion originated inside the Maine and that it was either an accident, such as a coal explosion, or some type of time bomb inside the battleship. Divers investigating the shipwreck found that the armour plates of the ship were blown bending outwards, not inwards.

World War I, 1914-1918: A U-boat torpedo hit ocean liner Lusitania near Britain and some 1200 people, including 128 Americans, on board lost their lives. Subsequent investigations revealed that the major explosions were inside the Lusitania, as it was secretly transporting 6 million pounds of artillery shells and rifle ammunition, as well as other explosives on behalf of Morgan banking corporation to help their clients, the Britain and the France. It was against US laws to transport war materials and passengers in the same ship.

World War 2, 1939-1945: A U-boat torpedo hit the ocean liner Athenia near Britain with some 1100 passengers, of which 311 were Americans. The sea was calm and only 118 people on board lost their lives. The ship was sunk because it behaved like a military transport, blackened out and zigzagging. This incident wasn't enough to precipitate war, and the Germans also refused to be provoked by several American acts of war. Americans confiscated German merchant ships, and Americans started to support the British with various lend-lease items, US volunteer pilots joined the RAF and some RAF pilots were trained in the US, US gave the British 50 old but usable WW1 destroyers and 20 modern torpedo boats, tanks, light bombers, fighter aircraft like P-40s and so on. American destroyers also escorted the convoys bound to Britain, and attacked German U-boats even far away from those convoys. The US did not maintain a neutral stance attitude towards the warring nations.

The US naval intelligence, chief of Japan desk planned and suggested "8 insults", which should bring Japan into war with the US. President Roosevelt executed this plan immediately and also added some other insults, enraging the Japan. The most serious one was a total blockade of Japanese oil imports, as agreed between the Americans, British and the Dutch. FDR also declared an all-out embargo against the Japan and forbade them the use of Panama canal, impeding Japan's access to Venezuelan oil.

The Flying Tigers volunteer air group successfully fighting the Japanese in China with some 90 fairly modern P-40Bs was another effective provocation that is not generally acknowledged by historical accounts of World War 2, most of which fail to mention any air combat action prior to 7th December 1941. But at that time the Japanese had already had lost about 100 military aircraft, mostly bombers, to the Tigers. After Pearl Harbor these squadrons were some of the the hardest-hitting ones in the US service.

The attack on Pearl Harbour followed some 6 months later. Having broken the Japanese encryption codes, the Americans knew what was going to happen, when and where, but the president did not dispatch this information to Pearl Harbor. Americans even gave their friends the British 3 Magic decrypting machines which automatically opened encrypted Japanese military traffic. But this same information was not available to the commanders of Hawaii. The movement of the fleet was also visible in the very effective radio direction finding network. Japan had an alliance with Germany, and the Germans upheld their promises by declaring the war against the USA right after the Japanese declaration.

Two scapegoats, the navy commander Admiral Husband Kimmel, and the army commander Lt. General Walter Short were found incompetent and demoted as they were allowed to retire. Short died 1949 and Kimmel 1958. In 1995, the US Congress re-examined this decision and endorsed it. Then in 2000 some archive information came to light and the US Senate passed a resolution stating that both had served in Hawaii "competently and professionally". In 1941 they were denied vital information, and even on presidential orders purposefully mislead into believing that the Japanese feet could be expected from the southwest. These commanders have yet to be rehabilited by the Pentagon.

Korean War, 1950-1953: South Korean incursions (the Tiger regiment etc.) into North Korea (1949) led to contrary claims and into war. The cause of this war propably was covert action involving leaders of Taiwan, South Korea and the US military-industrial complex (John Foster Dulles has been mentioned as an organizer of the hostilities.) After the unpublished hostilities in 1949, the communist powers were strongly backing North Korea.

Chiang Kai Sek was being abandoned, isolated and falling prey to the powerful communist Chinese operations. The right-wing South Korean ruler was expected to loose the soon-to-be-elections. The American military-industrial complex went into high gear again, and huge government orders for equipment were flowing in.

The American-led UN forces had difficult times early in the war, but after sufficient forces arrived they advanced victoriously and penetrated deep into the North Korea. The strong Chino-Russian intervention into the war once again turned the tides, the Chinese with vast armies on ground, and the Soviets less visibly with large numbers of aircraft, nearly costing the UN forces the war.

Finally the front stabilised along the original 38th parallel armistice line. The war resulted in the death of 3 million Korean Chinese and the destruction of virtually all of the Korean cities, and left Taiwan in strong American protection and South Korea firmly in the hands of the right-wing president Syngman Rhee. Some 55,000 Americans lost their lives.

Vietnam War: "The Tonkin incident", where American destroyer Maddox was supposedly attacked twice by three North Vietnamese torpedo boats in 1964 in the Gulf of Tonkin never happened. What was happening at the time were aggressive South Vietnamese raids against the North in the same general area. Huge American presence wasn't decisive and President Nixon negotiated a "peace with honour" in 1973. This war was lost, when North Vietnam finally conquered South Vietnam in 1975.

Grenada invasion: The Grenadian leader, Maurice Bishop, favouring the left and having invited Cubans to help build the infrastructure including by extending the airport to accomodate long range Soviet aircraft, was deposed and executed in October 19, 1983. Six days later the US invaded, with the proffered reason that the American medical students studying in the Grenada were in danger due the Cuban presence. The new leader supported by the US favoured more traditional values and the right.

War on Drugs: The war was launched by Richard M Nixon sometime around June 17,1971. The drug problem was found bad within the army in Viet Nam around 1968 prompting action was required towards the end of the war. Nowadays it is estimated that the military will never win the War on Drugs. The street prices of illicit drugs did not change significantly in the USA despite the military action in foreign drug-producing countries. The Colombian experience, with local military supported by the US, has shown that peace is more important than war against drugs. The Colombians have successfully negotiated some 1000s of guerrilla fighters back into the society and out of jungle.

This "war" actually seems to be a pretext for military invasions into less developed countries, where covert "bad" drug lords on behalf of western intelligence services are producing drugs into US and first world markets. This operation produces huge incomes, generating black budget money for those intelligence services managing the global drug operations.

Panama invasion: The incident between American and Panamanian troops led to invasion. The leader Noriega was changed and the earlier Carter administration plan to hand control of the canal over to Panama was cancelled. The strategic importance of the canal has surpassed any more just thinking in the US global domination policy.

US-Israeli sponsored war between Iraq and Iran, 1980-1988: The US has built power bases in the Middle East in Iran starting with the CIA-organised coup 1953, where Iranian prime minister Mossadeq was replaced with the Shah of Iran Reza Pahlavi and he by his son Mohammad Reza Pahlavi. Iran was equipped with the best western military equipment, including the American F-14 fighters with Phoenix missiles and the British Chieftain MBTs. Unfortunately there was in 1979 a coup of ayatollah Khomeini replacing the Shah and founding an Islamite nation.

After this, the US warmed up relations with their good Iraqi friend Saddam Hussein, and started to build a nation capable of challenging the Iran. Iraq acquired large numbers of effective weapons including factories able to produce older versions of gas warfare agents. These would later be called WMDs, which of course they were not, being the WW1-vintage weapons.

The war broke out and was fought to exhaustion because third-party powers, especially Israel, were carefully monitoring the power balance supplying more weapons to the side which seemed to be loosing. "Too bad they both cannot loose" is how Kissinger evaluated this situation.

Desert Storm (First Gulf war), 1991): Hussein asked for permission from the US (via their ambassador April Gillespie) and got an answer that the US does not care Arab quarrels. That was a trap, and after Saddam occupied Kuwait, George Bush Sr. mobilised a coalition of some 40 nations to "liberate Kuwait" and to smash the recently-built Iraqi military power base. This also involved a media hoax, where the daughter of Kuwaiti US ambassador played nurse on TV and testified to "witnessing" Iraqi soldiers throwing babies out of incubators in Kuwait.

War on Terror: The war was launched by Bush administration October 2001. The war was claimed to be the response on terrorism, especially the 9-11 incidents. Most of the people in the world today know that these reasons are false and that those events were based on MIH type (make it happen) inside job.

Enduring Freedom (Afghanistan invasion), 7.10.2001-: Without any evidence, the former CIA-asset, a Saudi-Arabian Osama bin Laden was claimed to be the mastermind behind the 9/11 strikes at the WTC and the Pentagon. Such a complex operation, if actually executed which it was not, in this case would be much beyond the capabilities of anything in Afghanistan. Only some top ten intelligence services in the world could hope to be successful in such an operation involving forgery, infiltration, living "underground" in a foreign non-Muslim country, coordination of moves, illegal arms, hi-quality flight training, accurate aircraft navigation in no-visibility conditions and so on. Perhaps even less, because the friends of the US (at that time, still most of the world) would also have been interested in stopping the attack.

Enduring Justice (Second Gulf war), 20.3.2003-: later known with less irony as Operation Iraqi Freedom The claimed reason of the attack was that Iraq was a clear and present danger to the US with wmd's available within less than an hour after the decision to assemble them has been made. Since no wmd's were found, and after the Iraqi also scrapped some 800 long range Scud style missiles before the US coalition attack, the reason for the invasion was changed into "bringing the democracy into Iraq".


 

References

Why the Pearl Harbor took place

Robert B. Stinnett: Day of Deceit: the Truth about FDR and Pearl Harbor, 2000
Mark Emerson Wiley: Pearl Harbour - mother of all conspiracies
http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/6315/pearl.html

Cordell Hull's Ultimatum to Japan

http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/6315/hullno26.html

What the US usually knew in advance (books)

Fredrick W. Winterbotham: The Ultra secret, 1974
Bradley F. Smith: The Ultra-Magic Deals, 1992
F.H.Hinsley: British Intelligence in the WW2 (4 large volumes), 1988

How to create innocent-looking wars

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/wars/

How wars are made

http://tacklingthetoughtopics.net/default.htm
Especially these items: World War 1, World War 2, Korean War, The Vietnam War

How to create distant future wars

The Best Enemy Money Can Buy by Antony C. Sutton
Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution by Antony C. Sutton
Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler by Antony C. Sutton
The out-of-print book: From Major Jordan's Diaries (Google this item)


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[Sep 17, 2017] Empire Idiots by Linh Dinh

Highly recommended!
There are probably two factors here: The first is the real anger of Arab population against aggression by the USA and European states (mainly GB and Frnace). That what produces radicalized Muslims who can commit terrorist attacks.
The second factor is the desire of intelligence agencies to exploit those attacks for thier own purposes. For example, it is quite possible, that they are standing idle to the most stupid of them and disrupt others, more dangerous.
Notable quotes:
"... How many Muslims are needed to drive one suicide car? Five, of course. What's the best, most lethal vehicle for the purpose? The compact Audi A3, naturally. ..."
"... From 9/11, Charlie Hebdo, Paris' Bataclan Concert Hall, Berlin's Christmas Market to Barcelona, etc., Muslim mass murderers seem expert at leaving behind their identity papers. ..."
"... Classic examples of this type of "lost and found id" were Oswald's lost wallet and James Earl Ray's dropped bundle of documents (ML King) ..."
"... Arab folks are brimming with anger that is now being met by the anger of the natives. ..."
"... I think the author misses the role of Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States, who appear to be the main financiers of the work performed by the above American Israel Empire. ..."
"... Perhaps the term Petrodollar Empire would be more accurate? As a bonus, it also complies better to the rules of political correctness. ..."
"... I am always deeply skeptical of these false flag claims. We bomb and kill arabs daily, yet create magnificent conspiracy theories to explain how it is someone else blowing crap up in vengeance. ..."
"... Why would Israel need to frame Muslim bombers when so many are so willing to do the job themselves and avenge their dead? Israel certainly pulls our strings to conduct the bombardment and they control American politics – why would they need to fabricate murders of random faceless Spaniards? How does that keep American taxpayers footing the bill for Zionism? ..."
"... It's really pretty simple isn't it? Before we decided to throw in with England and help genocide the Palestinians we had few problems with arabs. Now we've expanded our mission to include Iraq, Iran, Syria, Libya, etc and our blowback is serious. The arabs are doing what I'd do if a foreign power bombed my family. I could not care less what happens to Israelis or arabs. We need to either nuke the entire Arab world or leave it the hell alone – none of them are worth a single American life. ..."
Sep 09, 2017 | www.unz.com

How many Muslims are needed to drive one suicide car? Five, of course. What's the best, most lethal vehicle for the purpose? The compact Audi A3, naturally. What's the best time to stage such an attack? 1:15AM, grasshopper, when there are almost nobody on the Paseo Maritimo. Finally, what should you wear for such a momentous and self-defining occasion? Fake suicide vests, stupid, because they serve no purpose besides giving cops an excuse to perforate you immediately.

... .. ...

Astonishingly moronic, the five Muslims in Cambrils made all the worst choices possible, but the rest of their "terrorist cell" weren't any smarter, it is said.

Eight hours earlier, a van had killed 14 people and injured 130+ more in Barcelona, and the purported driver of that van, 22-year-old Younes Aboyaaqoub, had rented the vehicle with his own credit card. Very stupid. He also left his IDs in a second van, meant as a get-away car.

From 9/11, Charlie Hebdo, Paris' Bataclan Concert Hall, Berlin's Christmas Market to Barcelona, etc., Muslim mass murderers seem expert at leaving behind their identity papers. Otherwise, the official narrative can't be broadcast immediately. Wait a week or a month for a proper investigation, and the public won't have any idea what you're talking about, fixated as they are on a Kardashian pumped up buttocks or Messi goal.

Brabantian, Website September 9, 2017 at 9:03 am GMT

List of Passport / ID documents found at terrorism attack scenes – at least 8, including those Linh Dinh mentions above

(1) – 11 Sep 2001 passport found in NYC towers rubble tho aeroplane had 'turned to vapour'
(2) – 7 Jul 2005 London bomboings – ID of '4th bomber' allegedly 'found by UK police'
(3) – 7 Jan 2015 Charlie Hebdo, passport in car in front of Paris Jewish deli where Mossad meets
(4) – 13 Nov 2015 Bataclan Paris passport flew from body 'after killer exploded his suicide vest'
(5) – 14 Jul 2016 Nice France lorry attack 'passport found'
(6) – 19 Dec 2016 Berlin Christmas market lorry attack 'ID found', after 24 hours of searching lorry cab
(7) – 22 May 2017 Manchester UK 'suicide bomber leaves ID' at scene amidst another 'terror on 22nd'
(8) – 17 Aug 2017 Barcelona deadly terror attack by white van, 'Spanish passport found in van'

Also related & of interest
'Mossad did the Barcelona attack' – Israel heavily involved with Barcelona police – from Aangirfan on her site

republic, September 9, 2017 at 11:43 am GMT

@Brabantian List of Passport / ID documents found at terrorism attack scenes - at least 8, including those Linh Dinh mentions above

(1) - 11 Sep 2001 passport found in NYC towers rubble tho aeroplane had 'turned to vapour'
(2) - 7 Jul 2005 London bomboings - ID of '4th bomber' allegedly 'found by UK police'
(3) - 7 Jan 2015 Charlie Hebdo, passport in car in front of Paris Jewish deli where Mossad meets
(4) - 13 Nov 2015 Bataclan Paris passport flew from body 'after killer exploded his suicide vest'
(5) - 14 Jul 2016 Nice France lorry attack 'passport found'
(6) - 19 Dec 2016 Berlin Christmas market lorry attack 'ID found', after 24 hours of searching lorry cab
(7) - 22 May 2017 Manchester UK 'suicide bomber leaves ID' at scene amidst another 'terror on 22nd'
(8) - 17 Aug 2017 Barcelona deadly terror attack by white van, 'Spanish passport found in van'

Also related & of interest
'Mossad did the Barcelona attack' - Israel heavily involved with Barcelona police - from Aangirfan on her site
http://aanirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2017/09/mossad-did-barcelona-attack.html
http://aanirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2017/09/barcelona-false-flag-part-3.html https://wikispooks.com/wiki/Lost_and_Found_ID

Classic examples of this type of "lost and found id" were Oswald's lost wallet and James Earl Ray's dropped bundle of documents (ML King)

Cranky, September 9, 2017 at 2:35 pm GMT

Dinh, you are a fool. The Spanish police until the last two decades were always a bit trigger happy. And then you forget the Guardia Civil. They were the people in charge of keeping Franco's Spain quiet, and it was quiet like the grave. The really funny part is the Arab folks are brimming with anger that is now being met by the anger of the natives. Read the Blood of Spain, and see the complicated relationship between Franco's Moros and how they ravaged parts of Spain during the Civil War. The really ironic part is these "radicalized" kids are simply fodder for the papers back home, and an excuse to begin the round ups and mass deportations.

Fascism is now returning to Europe because of the liberal insanity of open borders and mass immigration.

Go see this in Spain: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valle_de_los_Ca%C3%ADdos

Built by the prisoners of France, and then ponder what it means when a people get tired of too much change.

Simpleguest, September 9, 2017 at 4:34 pm GMT

Nice read, indeed. Regarding the main idea of the article, that the:

" .. American Israel Empire is working nonstop to deform the Middle East, North Africa, Europe and, frankly, the rest of the world."

I think the author misses the role of Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States, who appear to be the main financiers of the work performed by the above American Israel Empire.

Perhaps the term Petrodollar Empire would be more accurate? As a bonus, it also complies better to the rules of political correctness.

DFH, September 9, 2017 at 8:34 pm GMT

Which seems more likely prima facie , Muslim terrorism or that the whole thing was faked? The whole premise of this article seems to be that it's simply ludicrous that a Muslim would ever do something like ram a car into a crowd of people.

jacques sheete, September 9, 2017 at 11:36 pm GMT

You're being played, in short.

For sure. Deja vu all over again and again. Another fine one, LD!

Dumbo, September 10, 2017 at 3:47 am GMT

It's like in the great movie by Kurosawa, Yojimbo, one guy playing both sides one against the other. Except Sanjuro was a good guy trying to kill a bunch of thugs and bring peace to the town, while our globo-masters prefer to see innocent people being murdered and the world in chaos.

Anon, Disclaimer September 10, 2017 at 6:11 pm GMT

@Linh Dinh "Barcelona Massacre, the testimony of Bruno Gulotta's father," delivered a day after his son's death:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbvhAwlYgfA

Linh, the Orlando video seems obviously fake. For those who look for those things, there are plenty of give-aways. But what's your point with the Barcelona video? I don't speak Spanish or Catalan, as the case may be, but he seems to be fairly dispassionate and therefore not bullshitting. I do hope there was a point you were making. There is enough in what you say, so that your linguistic showing off is a pointless irritation. I would like to make my point with a pointless Hindi quip, but my phone doesn't support the script.

Dumbo, September 10, 2017 at 8:32 pm GMT

@fish

What Merkel has done in Germany is incredible. She took in a million, a million and a half refugees, and there has been no major problem. It has been a great success, a miracle."
Yeah....good luck with that! By the time this all sorts out historically Merkel will rate lower than ol Schickelgruber.

Mutti.....Europes greatest "Crazy Cat Lady"!

"and there has been no major problem"

Except for a few stabbings, shootings and bombings as well as general malaise and waste of taxpayer's money, but what is that compared to the glory of diversity?
Well, I guess Germany had too few kebab shops

"By the time this all sorts out historically Merkel will rate lower than ol Schickelgruber."

The problem of politics and especially democracy is that politicians act for short term gains, but their decisions affect everybody else in the long term. By the time the Scheiße hits the fan Merkel and her friends will be happily retired in Switzerland or Monaco.

Andrew Nichos, September 11, 2017 at 3:30 am GMT

You'd have to be blind and stupid not have noticed this convenient habit of Muslim terrorists. I wonder why the IRA/ Baader Meinhof/Brigata Rossi or the westher,men didn't have the same habit?

NoseytheDuke, September 11, 2017 at 4:26 am GMT

You'd have to be blind and stupid not have noticed this convenient habit of pseudo moslem terrorists. I wonder why the IRA/ Baader Meinhof/Brigata Rossi or the Weathermen didn't have the same habit?

I fixed that for you, mate. The frequency of this seemingly ritual habit is amazing I agree. It is certainly one for the Coincidence Theorists out there.

Erebus, September 11, 2017 at 5:39 am GMT

@Intelligent Dasein From the banner of this website:

A Collection of Interesting, Important, and Controversial Perspectives Largely Excluded from the American Mainstream Media
I am here reminded of Jerry Seinfeld's wise observation that "Sometimes the road less traveled is less traveled for a reason."

I would advise Ron Unz to take this saying to heart and to spike the execrable Linh Dinh from these pages, and his butt-buddy Revusky, too.

I am here reminded of Jerry Seinfeld's wise observation that "Sometimes the road less traveled is less traveled for a reason."

Seinfeld would have been wiser if he had said that it's always less travelled for a reason. That reason is invariably along the lines of it being less convenient, more arduous, and more challenging. It often takes you to uncomfortable places, and you have to leave your beloved baggage behind.
Most people naturally choose to walk the broad level path that's been thoughtfully laid out for them. It doesn't go anywhere at all, except maybe in a giant circle, so that it doesn't matter where they start or where they stop, but they get to keep and even accumulate baggage along the way and that's what travelling is all about, isn't it?

NoseytheDuke, September 11, 2017 at 11:42 am GMT

@utu Looks like Linh Dinh was turned by Revusky. Everything must be a hoax. This is their starting position: It is a hoax until proven otherwise.

And Revusky comes up with his cheap schtick about the "emotional register." As if he ever seen true reactions of real people who lost relatives? All his life like all the hoax mongering youtube yahoos he was exposed to movies with the overacted emotional displays by actors and this formed the baseline for the youtube yahoos and Revusky. So when he sees more measure reactions of real people he thinks it must be bad acting. Yes, if you haven't noticed, the real life is full of bad acting, you fool.

More interesting would be to read about how is the bromance evolving? Actually real life is usually quite authentic which is the 'real' part and since several big "terror"events have had some inexplicable aspects to them suggesting the involvement of trickery it would be wise to suspect that of other events too. If you've been mugged while walking in the street a couple of times it would be completely rational and indeed prudent if you crossed the street to avoid a stranger, or clutched a hidden weapon as a stranger approached. This is natural and the survival instinct at work.

As to the emotional register, most people have not studied acting yet they can spot poor acting on TV or in a movie very quickly because they have experienced human behaviour their entire lives. When the behaviour or physical action doesn't match the dialogue or situation it appears very odd to us. Some people are more observant than others, this is why professional actors like to study the traits and quirks of people.

Linh Dinh has written some really excellent articles as many commenters have approved and stated as much but if you don't like them why bother reading or commenting? Jonathan Revusky too has written some very worthwhile articles in my opinion but he doesn't seem to take criticism well and has made a few enemies here but again, if you don't like them why not spend your time reading the work of other people?

bb., September 11, 2017 at 12:36 pm GMT

i agree that the passports left behind all the time are a little bit weird. when some shit goes down, among friends, we jokingly ask if they found the passports yet? but it could also be that they want to leave them behind, as a martyr signature or something maybe. like now they recruited irma for their cause..saying god is on their side.
but then again..i am susceptible to consider weird shit. like the boston bombings for example. I saw a very strange video of a simulation of a bombing attack which looked very real, like tv footage, but maybe that's the point of a good simulation.
we live in weird times. information flow is corrupted and not to be trusted. stanislaw lem wrote about it 40years ago and I always think about it reading news.

escobar, September 11, 2017 at 1:05 pm GMT

Linh Dinh's and others' dark dreams:

The American Israel Empire, the Anglo Zionist Conspiracy, the Jew Bolshevik plot

How do the Jews have time for all that and make so much money, run their dentistry, legal, media, entertainment empires and lust after blond shiksa cheerleaders as well?
Maybe it's from those gefilte fish they eat, or from the chopped liver they do even better than this sample produced by Linh Dinh.

Joe Hide, September 11, 2017 at 1:16 pm GMT

Millions of us have been aware of the "Empire" for years now Linh. We just don't have access to the media expression as you do. We tend to be quiet about it until we sense a person or group is open to this Truth. Most people think inside the box because it's safe, comforting, and lacks unpleasant reactions. We who want the Truth value your articles, because we really do believe that "The Truth will set you free."

Santoculto, September 11, 2017 at 1:50 pm GMT

Francisco, a typical teacher of philosophy and never a real philosopher. Most of this "refugees" are permanent immigrants, that's why this "refugee crisis" is just a way to accelerate the capitulation of Europe. Real refugees came back to their countries when they have opportunity. In the end the most effective way to stop middle east conflicts must be done via exposition of real (((criminals))), the direct responsible for all this shit. Only the truth can solve any problem and (((problem))).

Teacher of history's philosophy, what most of this "philosophers" are. Real philosophers learn/or invent and teach real or valid philosophical methods of thinking/analytical-critical thinking and of course subsequent action/application.

anonymous, Disclaimer September 11, 2017 at 2:34 pm GMT

The author is claiming it's all fake because the participants were inept and stupid. They possibly were being monitored and followed all along. That doesn't make it a staged fake event. "Kosher Nostra"? What's that supposed to mean? Jews are scapegoated for what Muslims do and have been doing for close to fourteen hundred years? It took the Spanish hundreds of years of struggle to free themselves from Muslim overlordship and now they're just supposed to wash their brains of any historical memory? Those third worlders written about so lovingly add nothing to Spain besides just some food joints. The author doesn't live there anyway so why is he telling them how to live?"Drugged and inflamed" is not necessarily true of all of America. The author is probably an alcoholic and needs to stop hanging around craphole taverns with all those dysfunctional boozers.

Hairway To Steven, September 11, 2017 at 8:30 pm GMT

Conspiracy theories like those expressed in this article and in many of the comments are for those either lacking the good sense to appreciate that the world is complex or the intellectual patience to sort through that complexity.

In the absence of these qualities, conspiracy nuts come up with unified theories that "explain everything" (e.g., the Jews control the world).

Actually moving out of the basement of their mom's house, or even losing their virginity, might help, but most of these sweaty little pamphleteers are lost causes whose lives rarely extend beyond a circle of like-minded friends and the insular concerns expressed in their over-heated and under-read blogs.

Stan d Mute, September 11, 2017 at 10:34 pm GMT

@DFH Which seems more likely prima facie , Muslim terrorism or that the whole thing was faked?
The whole premise of this article seems to be that it's simply ludicrous that a Muslim would ever do something like ram a car into a crowd of people.

Which seems more likely prima facie, Muslim terrorism or that the whole thing was faked?
The whole premise of this article seems to be that it's simply ludicrous that a Muslim would ever do something like ram a car into a crowd of people.

I am always deeply skeptical of these false flag claims. We bomb and kill arabs daily, yet create magnificent conspiracy theories to explain how it is someone else blowing crap up in vengeance.

Why would Israel need to frame Muslim bombers when so many are so willing to do the job themselves and avenge their dead? Israel certainly pulls our strings to conduct the bombardment and they control American politics – why would they need to fabricate murders of random faceless Spaniards? How does that keep American taxpayers footing the bill for Zionism?

It's really pretty simple isn't it? Before we decided to throw in with England and help genocide the Palestinians we had few problems with arabs. Now we've expanded our mission to include Iraq, Iran, Syria, Libya, etc and our blowback is serious. The arabs are doing what I'd do if a foreign power bombed my family. I could not care less what happens to Israelis or arabs. We need to either nuke the entire Arab world or leave it the hell alone – none of them are worth a single American life.

Art, September 12, 2017 at 2:30 am GMT

How stupid must you be to not see that the American Israel Empire has rigged every aspect of your reality?

...The pattern of human nature that they use is called the Stockholm syndrome.

It has been documented that a group of people can be turned against themselves when they are captured and terrorized, and in the process, they are propagandized to believe that the terrorizers themselves are the true victims. The terrorists tell the those they captured, that they are doing this because they themselves are the real victims.

The syndrome is that the captured group begin to sympathize with their terrorists. They take to heart that the terrorists are indeed victims, and that they should be supported. .

... ... ...

Think Peace -- Art

Stan d Mute, September 12, 2017 at 2:50 am GMT

@ChuckOrloski "... none of them are worth an American life."

Stan d Mute,

The dangerous thing about your rather common conclusion (above) is the stinky fact that, for the sake of creating Greater Israel, Neoconservatives are in your "Amen Corner" and also would green light the "nuking" of Iran.

Thank you.

Neoconservatives are in your "Amen Corner" and also would green light the "nuking" of Iran.

Don't paint me with your misrepresentation. I wrote " nuke the entire Arab world " Your Iran reply is a strawman.

Few neocons would endorse my suggestion to either obliterate the Middle East (drill for oil through the glass) or abandon their first loyalty of Zionism and all resulting meddling and murdering in the region.

Tell it like it is, September 12, 2017 at 10:05 pm GMT

Cry me a river. No sympathy from me. This article is completely one sided. What kind of investigative reporting is this when the author didn't even interview the police and review the evidence, but simply hurl out accusations through hearsay from the average guys on the street.

... ... ...

denk, September 13, 2017 at 3:32 pm GMT

The terror factory

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article34322.htm

It has already been exposed that 95% of domestic 'terror attacks' were FBI/CIA
false flags.

[Sep 17, 2017] The So-called Russian Hack of the DNC Does Not Make Sense by Publius Tacitus

Highly recommended!
Notable quotes:
"... 6 May 2016 when CrowdStrike first detected what it assessed to be a Russian presence inside the DNC server. Follow me here. One week after realizing there had been a penetration, the DNC learns, courtesy of the computer security firm it hired, that the Russians are doing it. Okay. Does CrowdStrike shut down the penetration. Nope. The hacking apparently continues unabated. ..."
"... I introduce Seth Rich at this point because he represents an alternative hypothesis. Rich, who reportedly was a Bernie Sanders supporter, was in a position at the DNC that gave him access to the emails in question and the opportunity to download the emails and take them from the DNC headquarters. Worth noting that Julian Assange offered $20,000 for information leading to the arrest of Rich's killer or killers. 8. 22 July 2016. Wikileaks published the DNC emails starting on 22 July 2016. Bill Binney, a former senior official at NSA, insists that if such a hack and electronic transfer over the internet had occurred then the NSA has in it possession the intelligence data to prove that such activity had occurred. ..."
"... Notwithstanding the claim by CrowdStrike not a single piece of evidence has been provided to the public to support the conclusion that the emails were hacked and physically transferred to a server under the control of a Russian intelligence operative. ..."
"... Please do not try to post a comment stating that the "Intelligence Community" concluded as well that Russia was responsible. That claim is totally without one shred of actual forensic evidence. Also, Julian Assange insists that the emails did not come from a Russian source. ..."
"... Wikileaks, the protector of the accountability of the top, has announced a reward for finding the murderers of Seth Rich. In comparison, the DNC has not offered any reward to help the investigation of the murder of the DNC staffer, but the DNC found a well-connected lawyer to protect Imran Awan who is guilty (along with Debbie Wasserman-Schultz) in the greatest breach of national cybersecurity: http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/29/wasserman-schultz-seemingly-planned-to-pay-suspect-even-while-he-lived-in-pakistan/ ..."
"... I'm afraid you're behind the times. Wheeler is no longer relevant now that Sy Hersh has revealed an FBI report that explicitly says Rich was in contact with Wikileaks offering to sell them DNC documents. ..."
"... Alperovitch is not just an incompetent "expert" in cybersecurity - he is a willing liar and war-mongering, for money. ..."
"... The DNC hacking story has never been about national security; Alperovitch (and his handlers) have no loyalty to the US. ..."
"... LeaNder , 05 September 2017 at 09:59 AM ..."
"... PT, I make a short exception. Actually decided to stop babbling for a while. But: Just finished something successfully. ..."
"... And since I usually need distraction by something far more interesting then matters at hand. I was close to your line of thought yesters. ..."
"... But really: Shouldn't the timeline start in 2015, since that's supposedly the time someone got into the DNC's system? ..."
"... One could of course start earlier. What is the exact timeline of the larger cyberwar post 9/11, or at least the bits and pieces that surfaced for the nitwits among us, like: Stuxnet? ..."
"... But nevermind. Don't forget developments and recent events around Eugene or Jewgeni Walentinowitsch Kasperski? ..."
"... LondonBob , 05 September 2017 at 03:27 PM ..."
"... The Russia thing certainly seems to have gone quiet. ..."
"... Bannon's chum says the issue with pursuing the Clinton email thing is that you would end up having to indict almost all of the last administration, including Obama, unseemly certainly. Still there might be a fall guy, maybe Comey, and obviously it serves Trump's purposes to keep this a live issue through the good work of Grassley and the occasional tweet. ..."
"... Would be amusing if Trump pardoned Obama. Still think Brennan should pay a price though, can't really be allowed to get away with it ..."
"... Scott Ritter's article referenced in PT's post is terrific, covering a ton of issues related to CrowdStrike and the DNC hack. You need to read it, not just PT's timeline. In case you missed the link in PT's post: ..."
"... Dumbstruck: How CrowdStrike Conned America on the Hack of the DNC https://medium.com/homefront-rising/dumbstruck-how-crowdstrike-conned-america-on-the-hack-of-the-dnc-ecfa522ff44f ..."
"... The article by Jeffrey Carr on CrowdStrike referenced from back in 2012 is also worth reading: Where's the "Strike" in CrowdStrike? https://jeffreycarr.blogspot.com/2012/09/wheres-strike-in-crowdstrike.html ..."
"... Also, the article Carr references is very important for understanding the limits of malware analysis and "attribution". Written by Michael Tanji, whose credentials appear impressive: "spent nearly 20 years in the US intelligence community. Trained in both SIGINT and HUMINT disciplines he has worked at the Defense Intelligence Agency, the National Security Agency, and the National Reconnaissance Office. At various points in his career he served as an expert in information warfare, computer network operations, computer forensics, and indications and warning. A veteran of the US Army, Michael has served in both strategic and tactical assignments in the Pacific Theater, the Balkans, and the Middle East." ..."
"... Malware Analysis: The Danger of Connecting the Dots: https://www.oodaloop.com/technology/2012/09/11/malware-analysis-the-danger-of-connecting-the-dots/ ..."
"... His article echoes and reinforces what Carr and others have said about the difficulty of attribution of infosec breaches. Namely that the basic problem of both intelligence and infosec operations is that there is too much obfuscation, manipulation, and misdirection involved to be sure of who or what is going on. ..."
"... None of this proves that Russian intelligence - or Russians of some stripe - or for that matter hackers from literally anywhere - couldn't or didn't ALSO do a hack of the DNC. But it does prove that the iron-clad attribution of the source of Wikileaks email release to Russia is at best flawed, and at worst a deliberate cover up of a leak. ..."
"... And Russiagate depends prima rily on BOTH alleged "facts" being true: 1) that Russia hacked the DNC, and 2) that Russia was the source of Wikileaks release. And if the latter is not true, then one has to question why Russia hacked the DNC in the first place, other than for "normal" espionage operations. "Influencing the election" then becomes a far less plausible theory. ..."
"... The general takeaway from an infosec point of view is that attribution by means of target identification, tools used, and "indicators of compromise" is a fatally flawed means of identifying, and thus being able to counter, the adversaries encountered in today's Internet world, as Tanji proves. Only HUMINT offers a way around this, just as it is really the only valid option in countering terrorism. ..."
Sep 05, 2017 | turcopolier.typepad.com

Notwithstanding the conventional wisdom that Russia hacked into the DNC computers, downloaded emails and a passed the stolen missives to Julian Assange's crew at Wikileaks, a careful examination of the timeline of events from 2016 shows that this story is simply not plausible.

Let me take you through the known facts:

1. 29 April 2016 , when the DNC became aware its servers had been penetrated (https://medium.com/homefront-rising/dumbstruck-how-crowdstrike-conned-america-on-the-hack-of-the-dnc-ecfa522ff44f). Note. They apparently did not know who was doing it. 2, 6 May 2016 when CrowdStrike first detected what it assessed to be a Russian presence inside the DNC server. Follow me here. One week after realizing there had been a penetration, the DNC learns, courtesy of the computer security firm it hired, that the Russians are doing it. Okay. Does CrowdStrike shut down the penetration. Nope. The hacking apparently continues unabated. 3. 25 May 2016. The messages published on Wikileaks from the DNC show that 26 May 2016 was the last date that emails were sent and received at the DNC. There are no emails in the public domain after that date. In other words, if the DNC emails were taken via a hacking operation, we can conclude from the fact that the last messages posted to Wikileaks show a date time group of 25 May 2016. Wikileaks has not reported nor posted any emails from the DNC after the 25th of May. I think it is reasonable to assume that was the day the dirty deed was done. 4. 12 June 2016, CrowdStrike purged the DNC server of all malware. Are you kidding me? 45 days after the DNC discovers that its serve has been penetrated the decision to purge the DNC server is finally made. What in the hell were they waiting for? But this also tells us that 18 days after the last email "taken" from the DNC, no additional emails were taken by this nasty malware. Here is what does not make sense to me. If the DNC emails were truly hacked and the malware was still in place on 11 June 2016 (it was not purged until the 12th) then why are there no emails from the DNC after 26 May 2016? an excellent analysis of Guccifer's role : Almost immediately after the one-two punch of the Washington Post article/CrowdStrike technical report went public, however, something totally unexpected happened -- someone came forward and took full responsibility for the DNC cyber attack. Moreover, this entity -- operating under the persona Guccifer 2.0 (ostensibly named after the original Guccifer , a Romanian hacker who stole the emails of a number of high-profile celebrities and who was arrested in 2014 and sentenced to 4 ½ years of prison in May 2016) -- did something no state actor has ever done before, publishing documents stolen from the DNC server as proof of his claims.
Hi. This is Guccifer 2.0 and this is me who hacked Democratic National Committee.

With that simple email, sent to the on-line news magazine, The Smoking Gun , Guccifer 2.0 stole the limelight away from Alperovitch. Over the course of the next few days, through a series of emails, online posts and interviews , Guccifer 2.0 openly mocked CrowdStrike and its Russian attribution. Guccifer 2.0 released a number of documents, including a massive 200-plus-missive containing opposition research on Donald Trump.

Guccifer 2.0 also directly contradicted the efforts on the part of the DNC to minimize the extent of the hacking, releasing the very donor lists the DNC specifically stated had not been stolen. More chilling, Guccifer 2.0 claimed to be in possession of "about 100 Gb of data" which had been passed on to the online publisher, Wikileaks, who "will publish them soon." 7. Seth Rich died on 10 July 2016. I introduce Seth Rich at this point because he represents an alternative hypothesis. Rich, who reportedly was a Bernie Sanders supporter, was in a position at the DNC that gave him access to the emails in question and the opportunity to download the emails and take them from the DNC headquarters. Worth noting that Julian Assange offered $20,000 for information leading to the arrest of Rich's killer or killers. 8. 22 July 2016. Wikileaks published the DNC emails starting on 22 July 2016. Bill Binney, a former senior official at NSA, insists that if such a hack and electronic transfer over the internet had occurred then the NSA has in it possession the intelligence data to prove that such activity had occurred. Notwithstanding the claim by CrowdStrike not a single piece of evidence has been provided to the public to support the conclusion that the emails were hacked and physically transferred to a server under the control of a Russian intelligence operative. Please do not try to post a comment stating that the "Intelligence Community" concluded as well that Russia was responsible. That claim is totally without one shred of actual forensic evidence. Also, Julian Assange insists that the emails did not come from a Russian source.

Fool , 05 September 2017 at 09:01 AM

Where was it reported that Rich was a Sanders supporter?
Publius Tacitus -> Fool... , 05 September 2017 at 09:15 AM
This is one of the reports, http://heavy.com/news/2016/08/seth-rich-julian-assange-source-wikileaks-wiki-dnc-emails-death-murder-reward-video-interview-hillary-clinton-shawn-lucas/.
Anna -> Publius Tacitus ... , 05 September 2017 at 10:56 AM
Wikileaks, the protector of the accountability of the top, has announced a reward for finding the murderers of Seth Rich. In comparison, the DNC has not offered any reward to help the investigation of the murder of the DNC staffer, but the DNC found a well-connected lawyer to protect Imran Awan who is guilty (along with Debbie Wasserman-Schultz) in the greatest breach of national cybersecurity: http://dailycaller.com/2017/07/29/wasserman-schultz-seemingly-planned-to-pay-suspect-even-while-he-lived-in-pakistan/
Stephanie -> Publius Tacitus ... , 06 September 2017 at 12:12 PM
Seth Rich's family have pleaded, and continue to plead, that the conspiracy theorists leave the death of their son alone and have said that those who continue to flog this nonsense around the internet are only serving to increase their pain. I suggest respectfully that some here may wish to consider their feelings. (Also, this stuff is nuts, you know.)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/were-seth-richs-parents-stop-politicizing-our-sons-murder/2017/05/23/164cf4dc-3fee-11e7-9869-bac8b446820a_story.html?utm_term=.b20208de48d3

"We also know that many people are angry at our government and want to see justice done in some way, somehow. We are asking you to please consider our feelings and words. There are people who are using our beloved Seth's memory and legacy for their own political goals, and they are using your outrage to perpetuate our nightmare."

http://www.businessinsider.com/seth-rich-family-response-lawsuit-rod-wheeler-2017-8

"Wheeler, a former Metropolitan Police Department officer, was a key figure in a series of debunked stories claiming that Rich had been in contact with Wikileaks before his death. Fox News, which reported the story online and on television, retracted it in June."

Richardstevenhack -> Stephanie... , 07 September 2017 at 07:43 PM
I'm afraid you're behind the times. Wheeler is no longer relevant now that Sy Hersh has revealed an FBI report that explicitly says Rich was in contact with Wikileaks offering to sell them DNC documents.

It's unfortunate for the Rich family, but now that the connection is pretty much confirmed, they're going to have to allow the truth to come out.

Anna , 05 September 2017 at 09:20 AM
Mr. Dmitri Alperovitch, of Jewish descent (and an emigre from Russia), has been an "expert" at the Atlantic Council, the same organization that cherishes and provides for Mr. Eliot Higgins. These two gentlemen - and the directorate of Atlantic Council - are exhibit one of opportunism and intellectual dishonesty (though it is hard to think about Mr. Higgins in terms of "intellect").

Here is an article by Alperovitch: http://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/russian-cyber-attacks-in-the-united-states-will-intensify

Take note how Alperovitch coded the names of the supposed hackers: "Russian intelligence services hacked the Democratic National Committee's computer network and accessed opposition research on Donald Trump, according to the Atlantic Council's Dmitri Alperovitch.

Two Russian groups!codenamed FancyBear and CozyBear!have been identified as spearheading the DNC breach." Alperovitch is not just an incompetent "expert" in cybersecurity - he is a willing liar and war-mongering, for money.

The DNC hacking story has never been about national security; Alperovitch (and his handlers) have no loyalty to the US.

LeaNder , 05 September 2017 at 09:59 AM
PT, I make a short exception. Actually decided to stop babbling for a while. But: Just finished something successfully.

And since I usually need distraction by something far more interesting then matters at hand. I was close to your line of thought yesters.

But really: Shouldn't the timeline start in 2015, since that's supposedly the time someone got into the DNC's system?

One could of course start earlier. What is the exact timeline of the larger cyberwar post 9/11, or at least the bits and pieces that surfaced for the nitwits among us, like: Stuxnet?

But nevermind. Don't forget developments and recent events around Eugene or Jewgeni Walentinowitsch Kasperski?

LondonBob , 05 September 2017 at 03:27 PM
The Russia thing certainly seems to have gone quiet.

Bannon's chum says the issue with pursuing the Clinton email thing is that you would end up having to indict almost all of the last administration, including Obama, unseemly certainly. Still there might be a fall guy, maybe Comey, and obviously it serves Trump's purposes to keep this a live issue through the good work of Grassley and the occasional tweet.

Would be amusing if Trump pardoned Obama. Still think Brennan should pay a price though, can't really be allowed to get away with it

Richardstevenhack , 05 September 2017 at 06:23 PM
Scott Ritter's article referenced in PT's post is terrific, covering a ton of issues related to CrowdStrike and the DNC hack. You need to read it, not just PT's timeline. In case you missed the link in PT's post:

Dumbstruck: How CrowdStrike Conned America on the Hack of the DNC https://medium.com/homefront-rising/dumbstruck-how-crowdstrike-conned-america-on-the-hack-of-the-dnc-ecfa522ff44f

The article by Jeffrey Carr on CrowdStrike referenced from back in 2012 is also worth reading: Where's the "Strike" in CrowdStrike? https://jeffreycarr.blogspot.com/2012/09/wheres-strike-in-crowdstrike.html

Also, the article Carr references is very important for understanding the limits of malware analysis and "attribution". Written by Michael Tanji, whose credentials appear impressive: "spent nearly 20 years in the US intelligence community. Trained in both SIGINT and HUMINT disciplines he has worked at the Defense Intelligence Agency, the National Security Agency, and the National Reconnaissance Office. At various points in his career he served as an expert in information warfare, computer network operations, computer forensics, and indications and warning. A veteran of the US Army, Michael has served in both strategic and tactical assignments in the Pacific Theater, the Balkans, and the Middle East."

Malware Analysis: The Danger of Connecting the Dots: https://www.oodaloop.com/technology/2012/09/11/malware-analysis-the-danger-of-connecting-the-dots/

His article echoes and reinforces what Carr and others have said about the difficulty of attribution of infosec breaches. Namely that the basic problem of both intelligence and infosec operations is that there is too much obfuscation, manipulation, and misdirection involved to be sure of who or what is going on.

The Seth Rich connection is pretty much a done deal, now that Sy Hersh has been caught on tape stating that he knows of an FBI report based on a forensic analysis of Rich's laptop that shows Rich was in direct contact with Wikileaks with an attempt to sell them DNC documents and that Wikileaks had access to Rich's DropBox account. Despite Hersh's subsequent denials - which everyone knows are his usual impatient deflections prior to putting out a sourced and organized article - it's pretty clear that Rich was at least one of the sources of the Wikileaks email dump and that there is zero connection to Russia.

None of this proves that Russian intelligence - or Russians of some stripe - or for that matter hackers from literally anywhere - couldn't or didn't ALSO do a hack of the DNC. But it does prove that the iron-clad attribution of the source of Wikileaks email release to Russia is at best flawed, and at worst a deliberate cover up of a leak.

And Russiagate depends prima

rily on BOTH alleged "facts" being true: 1) that Russia hacked the DNC, and 2) that Russia was the source of Wikileaks release. And if the latter is not true, then one has to question why Russia hacked the DNC in the first place, other than for "normal" espionage operations. "Influencing the election" then becomes a far less plausible theory.

The general takeaway from an infosec point of view is that attribution by means of target identification, tools used, and "indicators of compromise" is a fatally flawed means of identifying, and thus being able to counter, the adversaries encountered in today's Internet world, as Tanji proves. Only HUMINT offers a way around this, just as it is really the only valid option in countering terrorism.

[Jul 30, 2017] Mainstream News Manipulation of US Public

McGovern thinks that it was Brennan boys who hacked into DNC as a part of conspiracy to implicate Russia and to secure Hillary win. One of the resons was probably that DNC servers were not well protected and there were other hacks, about whihc NSA know. So the sad state of DNC internet security needed to be swiped under the carpet and that's why CrowdStike was hired.
NSA created 7 million lines of code for penetration and that includes those that were pablished by Wikileaks and designed to imitate that attackers are coming (and using the language) from: China, North Korea, Iran and Russia.
Also NSA probably intercepts and keeps all Internet communications for a month or two so if it was a hack NSA knows who did it and what was stolen
But the most unexplainable part was that fact that FBI was denied accessing the evidence. I always think that thye can dictate that they need to see in such cases, but obviously this was not the case.
Notable quotes:
"... She couldn't pack a school gymnasium while Trumps rallies were packed with 10's of thousands. ..."
Jul 30, 2017 | www.youtube.com

Anna C 1 month ago

LEGAL, WIKIMEDIA V. NSA Discussing fake news and the NSA lawsuit at Yale | https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/06/16/fake-news-nsa-lawsuit-yale/

Tracy Spose 1 month ago

Love the rest of the talk, but no way did Hillary win. No way did she get the popular vote.

The woman was calling for war and reinstating the draft on men and women. She couldn't pack a school gymnasium while Trumps rallies were packed with 10's of thousands.

[Jul 26, 2017] So, what about 9-11, Mr. Giraldi?

Notable quotes:
"... This same point was also made by veteran CIA agent Milt Bearden. Speaking disparagingly of "the myth of Osama bin Laden" on CBS News the day after 9/11, Bearden said: "I was there [in Afghanistan] at the same time bin Laden was there. He was not the great warrior." With regard to the widespread view that bin Laden was behind the attacks, he said: "This was a tremendously sophisticated operation against the United States-more sophisticated than anybody would have ascribed to Osama bin Laden." Pointing out that a group capable of such a sophisticated attack would have had a way to cover their tracks, he added: "This group who was responsible for that, if they didn't have an Osama bin Laden out there, they'd invent one, because he's a terrific diversion."[110] ..."
Jul 26, 2017 | www.unz.com

L.K , June 6, 2017 at 6:25 pm GMT

So, what about 9-11, Mr. Giraldi?

Are you guys going to allow it to become another USS Liberty?

The official story is clearly bunk & zionist fingerprints are all over it.

Regarding the matter of whether or not bin Laden and 'al-Qaeda' were even capable of orchestrating the 9-11 Attacks, author and professor David Ray Griffin, wrote:

For prosecutors to prove that defendants committed a crime, they must show that they had the ability (as well as the motive and opportunity) to do so.
But several political and military leaders from other countries have stated that bin Laden and al-Qaeda simply could not have carried out the attacks.
General Leonid Ivashov, who in 2001 was the chief of staff for the Russian armed forces, wrote:

"Only secret services and their current chiefs-or those retired but still having influence inside the state organizations-have the ability to plan, organize and conduct an operation of such magnitude Osama bin Laden and "Al Qaeda" cannot be the organizers nor the performers of the September 11 attacks. They do not have the necessary organization, resources or leaders."

Similar statements have been made by Andreas von Bülow, the former state secretary of West Germany's ministry of defense, by General Mirza Aslam Beg, former chief of staff of Pakistan's army, and even General Musharraf, the president of Pakistan until recently.[109]

This same point was also made by veteran CIA agent Milt Bearden. Speaking disparagingly of "the myth of Osama bin Laden" on CBS News the day after 9/11, Bearden said: "I was there [in Afghanistan] at the same time bin Laden was there. He was not the great warrior." With regard to the widespread view that bin Laden was behind the attacks, he said: "This was a tremendously sophisticated operation against the United States-more sophisticated than anybody would have ascribed to Osama bin Laden." Pointing out that a group capable of such a sophisticated attack would have had a way to cover their tracks, he added: "This group who was responsible for that, if they didn't have an Osama bin Laden out there, they'd invent one, because he's a terrific diversion."[110]

L.K June 6, 2017 at 6:36 pm GMT

I wonder; the USS Liberty was attacked many years before I was even born

2017 now, and the Israeli attack remains largely unknown to zamericans quite amazing and a testament to something hardly ever discussed; Jewish power the Zionist Power Configuration

Before the USS Liberty, there was the Lavon Affair probably even less zamericans heard of that one:

Eight years after the bombing of the King David Hotel, the State of Israel carried out a series of false-flag terror bombings against U.S. and British libraries, theatres, and other government institutions in Egypt in a terror campaign designed to be blamed on Egyptian groups. This Israeli terror campaign of July 1954 is often referred to as the "Lavon Affair" after Pinhas Lavon, the Israeli defense minister at the time.

In 2001, we had 9-11, instantly, and without any real investigation or proof, conveniently blamed on Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda. The new Pearl Harbor has zionist fingerprints all over it.

The "investigation" was a complete farce, 100% a cover-up. Evidence quickly destroyed, lies planted by the zio controlled media framing "muslim terrorism", and then the totally fraudulent and ongoing war on "Terror" was launched.

Given that after so many decades there is still no clarity re the treacherous israeli attack on the USS Liberty and little talk of the Lavon 'affair', the zionist rats are probably confident 9-11 will be a repeat of previous zionist ops against ZUSA, their responsibility never revealed.
"Solving 9-11: The Deception that Changed the World":
http://bollyn.com/solving-9-11-the-book

Chapter III – America the Target: 9-11 and Israel's History of False Flag Terrorism
http://bollyn.com/solving-9-11-the-book#article_11279

The Israeli Origin of 9/11 and the War on Terror May 8, 2017 http://bollyn.com/#article_15904

jilles dykstra June 6, 2017 at 7:54 pm GMT

@L.K Sept 11 sophisticated ?
It was a mess.
The explosives in the Twin Towers went off too quickly after one another.
Too much thermite was used, three weeks after sept 11 there still was molten iron in the basements.
The 47 stories building was blown up with explosives on the ground floor.
The four 'hijacked' planes could not be used.
The first plane flying into a tower had a bubble under the plane that passenger planes do not have.
The second plane had no windows.
No plane crashed in Pennsylvania, just a rocket was fired from a jet.
No passenger plane flew into the Pentagon, probably a remote controlled fighter with a missile underneath.

The Sept 11 miracle was that despite the mess in general the public could be fooled. The public even believed that NORAD could not see planes with transponders switched off, did not see that Cheney 'happened' to be there to destroy the tapes on which the flights of the four 'hijacked' planes were recorded, and the other flights: the planes that did fly into the towers, the jet over Pennsylvania, and the jet that flew into the Pentagon.
Where these planes came from, probably some secret CIA base.

L.K June 7, 2017 at 6:25 pm GMT

I mentioned several specialists in a previous post, who stated that the official Bin Laden/Al-Qaeda narrative was an impossible one. C. Bollyn talked to 2 other such Intel specialists;

In Germany, I had the opportunity to interview Andreas von Bülow near Köln. Von Bülow, an author and former member of the Bundestag (the German parliament) served on the parliamentary commission which oversees the three branches of the German secret service. Von Bülow said he thought Israel's intelligence service, Mossad, was behind the 9-11 attacks. These attacks, he said, were carried out to turn public opinion against the Arabs and boost military and security spending.

"You don't get the higher echelons," von Bülow said, referring to the "architectural structure" which masterminds such terror attacks. At this level, he said, the organization doing the planning, such as Mossad, is primarily interested in affecting public opinion. The terrorists who actually commit the crimes are what von Bülow calls "the working level," such as the nineteen Arabs who allegedly hijacked the planes on September 11. "The working level is part of the deception," he said.

"Ninety-five percent of the work of the intelligence agencies around the world is deception and disinformation," he said, which is widely propagated in the mainstream media creating an accepted version of events. "Journalists don't even raise the simplest questions," he said. "Those who differ are labeled as crazy."

Eckehardt Werthebach, the former president of the Verfassungsschutz (a branch of German intelligence), told me that "the deathly precision" and "the magnitude of planning" behind the attacks would have needed "years of planning." Such a sophisticated operation, Werthebach said, required the "fixed frame" of a state intelligence organization, something not found in a "loose group" of terrorists. Both Werthebach and von Bülow said the lack of a complete "blue ribbon" investigation, with congressional hearings, into the events of September 11 was incomprehensible. These men made more sense to me than anyone in the U.S. government or media.

Rurik June 7, 2017 at 10:03 pm GMT

@L.K I mentioned several specialists in a previous post, who stated that the official Bin Laden/Al-Qaeda narrative was an impossible one. C. Bollyn talked to 2 other such Intel specialists;


In Germany, I had the opportunity to interview Andreas von Bülow near Köln. Von Bülow, an author and former member of the Bundestag (the German parliament) served on the parliamentary commission which oversees the three branches of the German secret service. Von Bülow said he thought Israel's intelligence service, Mossad, was behind the 9-11 attacks. These attacks, he said, were carried out to turn public opinion against the Arabs and boost military and security spending.

"You don't get the higher echelons," von Bülow said, referring to the "architectural structure" which masterminds such terror attacks. At this level, he said, the organization doing the planning, such as Mossad, is primarily interested in affecting public opinion. The terrorists who actually commit the crimes are what von Bülow calls "the working level," such as the nineteen Arabs who allegedly hijacked the planes on September 11. "The working level is part of the deception," he said.

"Ninety-five percent of the work of the intelligence agencies around the world is deception and disinformation," he said, which is widely propagated in the mainstream media creating an accepted version of events. "Journalists don't even raise the simplest questions," he said. "Those who differ are labeled as crazy."

Eckehardt Werthebach, the former president of the Verfassungsschutz (a branch of German intelligence), told me that "the deathly precision" and "the magnitude of planning" behind the attacks would have needed "years of planning." Such a sophisticated operation, Werthebach said, required the "fixed frame" of a state intelligence organization, something not found in a "loose group" of terrorists. Both Werthebach and von Bülow said the lack of a complete "blue ribbon" investigation, with congressional hearings, into the events of September 11 was incomprehensible. These men made more sense to me than anyone in the U.S. government or media.

.. Israel's intelligence service, Mossad, was behind the 9-11 attacks. These attacks, he said, were carried out to turn public opinion against the Arabs and boost military and security spending.

not only that LK, but also to turn the American people into Palestinians, with check points and treating us at the airports as if we're all terrorists. Not to mention total surveillance of our every email or phone conversation, every text and every thing our 'smart' phone cameras see.

Just as Ehud Barak predicted on 9/11, 'nothing will be the same'

these psychopathic fiends are so far beyond the Pale, that it boggles the mind.

they slaughter our citizens in horrific balls of fire, then they tell the people in the other tower to return to their work stations and cubicles knowing the second plane is on its way, hoping for maximum casualties.

"it's very good" after all

and then they set about systematically dismantling our hard-won Constitutional rights as they send off our young people as cannon fodder to die in illegal wars on innocent nations. Earning the well-deserved hatred of the entire Islamic world.

charming people these zio-scum, eh?

but far, far worse are the American politicians and media whores who enable them

Bollyn as you point out is an true American patriot. Thanks for the links

[Jul 02, 2017] Warning! The USA preparing a new chemical attack in Syria

Jul 02, 2017 | marknesop.wordpress.com

Moscow Exile ,

June 30, 2017 at 10:37 pm

https://www.youtube.com/embed/109ERbPA4Qs?version=3&rel=1&fs=1&autohide=2&showsearch=0&showinfo=1&iv_load_policy=1&wmode=transparent


What a patronising, smirking piece of shit that spokesthing for the US government is!
marknesop , June 30, 2017 at 10:51 pm
She's just what they're looking for. They keep changing the spokesholes for the State Department pressers because they're looking for a way to defend the indefensible. If the rest of the people in the room actually are reporters who eat, sleep and breathe news, they know very well that there is – at the very least – doubt that Assad actually carried out any chemical attacks on 'his own people'. They know 'rebel' groups in Syria do possess chemical weapons, and there is considerable evidence of their staging events to pluck western heartstrings and initiate a western intervention to overthrow Assad. So when she just talks over him and repeats government talking points, they all know what she's doing. They all also know that the United States government continually claims to have irrefutable evidence of this thing and that war crime which it will not disclose. None of it, except for the shite they get from social media. You're just supposed to take their word for it.

That would be fine if they had never been caught in a lie. Or even not very often. As the situation is, well

Moscow Exile , July 1, 2017 at 12:05 am
Compare the performance of the US blonde spokeswoman with that of the Russian blonde spokeswoman.

Zakharova [09:57]:

" There are experts and they should be working. If we make conclusions that are based on politically charged motivations, then this is what we are witnessing now and shall continue to do so ".

The US journalist, in response to Zakharova's detailed criticism of the US policy of shooting first and not asking questions, namely of not using appointed specialists on the ground to check claims of who was/is responsible for chemical weapons attacks but instead just acting on what Washington thinks was/is the "reality" of the situation (and remember, there are some in Washington who claim that "reality" is their creation!), says that it is too dangerous for appointed investigators into chemical weapon usage to enter terrorist occupied zones in order to check on the facts [10:08]:

" But experts can't [get there] "

Zakharova responds [10:15]:

" But why can't they get there? Why exactly can't they get there? Is it Damascus saying that they can't go in? "

The US journalist states that Idlib is a "different situation" [10:27]

Zakharova [10:35], who now appears to be somewhat amused by the journalist's line of thought:

" So what, then, is the logic? If there is no security there, then we can make binding resolutions that are based on absolutely nothing at all? Is that correct? But that's well, that's well that's some kind of madness! "

The journalist then repeats that it still is very difficult, very dangerous, to enter the combat zones.

Zakharova replies [10:55]"

" So let's go to plan B - Colin Powell with a test-tube! Do I understand you correctly? If it's too dangerous to go there, then let's make decisions based on absolutely falsified grounds. But from our point of view, they have no basis upon which an objective opinion can be decided ".

Zakhorova then goes on to rip the US journalist's contentions apart in a manner vastly different to the way in which the US spokeswoman, Nauert, dealt with the journalist in Washington, who posed questions that she openly sneered and smirked at, as can be seen at the beginning of the clip.

Nauert , by the way, who is a former member of the Council on Foreign Relations , is married to Scott Norby, an investment banker who works at Goldman Sachs.

She is also employed by Fox News, FFS!

[Jun 14, 2017] The Saudi War Against Qatar by Justin Raimondo

Notable quotes:
"... Which leads us to a larger question: who benefits? Clearly both the Saudis and the Israelis – whose semi-clandestine alliance has been documented in this space – had everything to gain from this intra-Arab spat. United by fear and hatred of Iran, Riyadh and Tel Aviv have been quietly cooperating to unite the Sunni Arabs against Iran – and draw the United States into open conflict with Tehran. Both abhorred and denounced the Iran deal, and are seeking to actively undermine it: that's another item at the top of the FDD/UAE meet up. ..."
"... Another factor is the relationship between Mr. Al-Taiba and Jared Kushner, Trump's son-in-law and a powerful figure in the administration: the ambassador has been described as Kushner's " mentor " when it comes to schooling him on all matters Middle Eastern. Kushner, for his part, is a strong advocate for Israel. ..."
"... There are no innocents, no "good guys" in this part of the world: the reality is that all of these Middle Eastern actors have been subsidizing terrorist outfits, in Syria and elsewhere. The Saudis are perhaps the worst offenders : their worldwide network of radical Wahabist mosques and "educational" outfits has been pushing a terrorist agenda for decades. ..."
"... The UAE has also been a lucrative source of funding for radical Islamic terrorism, notably in Afghanistan and Pakistan . And while Qatar has not been stingy in this regard, its stance has been notably non-sectarian: while they've given support to the Muslim Brotherhood – perhaps the least radical Sunni organization – they are also capable of sending official congratulations to recently re-elected Iranian President Hassan Rouhani. ..."
"... This is their great "sin" in the eyes of the Saudi-led Sunni Axis: they have tried to mediate the Sunni-Shi'ite religious war, which threatens the entire region with the kind of bloody turmoil that occasioned Europe's Thirty Years' War between Catholics and Protestants. ..."
"... The crazy notion that Iran is the world's leading exporter of terrorism is a page right out of the Israeli-Saudi playbook ..."
"... The Saudi-Qatari conflict has all the hallmarks of a joint Saudi-Israeli operation, complete with cyber-hacking, a full-scale propaganda war, and a clueless Uncle Sam stupidly falling for a brazen deception. What's amazing is that, despite the plethora of evidence that the whole thing is a pretty transparent put up job, the usual suspects continue to get away with it. ..."
www.moonofalabama.org

Despite the Qataris' claim – since verified by the FBI, according to Qatar's foreign minister – that the Qatar News Agency site had been hacked, and that the Emir had given no such speech, both the Saudis and the UAkE, through their official media outlets, launched a campaign targeting Qatar. Overflight rights were revoked: diplomatic contacts ended: Qatar citizens were forbidden to enter Saudi/UAE territory even to change planes. And in a public statement delivered in the rose garden of the White House President Trump clearly sided with the Saudi/UAE consortium, complementing a series of remarkably stupid tweets that basically said the same thing.

The US news media managed to get a Russian angle on all this, claiming that "Russian hackers" were behind the targeting of the Qatar News Agency: as usual they offered no evidence for this assertion. Yet just who was behind this hacking incident seems crucial to understanding the real genesis of – and motive behind – the Qatar controversy, which could augur a new regional crisis possibly dragging in Iran.

So let's look at the timeline in the context of yet another hacking incident, this one involving the hotmail account of Yousef Al-Otaiba, the UAE's well-connected ambassador to the US. The Saudi-Qatari conflict has all the hallmarks of a joint Saudi-Israeli operation, complete with cyber-hacking, a full-scale propaganda war, and a clueless Uncle Sam stupidly falling for a brazen deception. What's amazing is that, despite the plethora of evidence that the whole thing is a pretty transparent put up job, the usual suspects continue to get away with it. he hackers, who call themselves "GlobalLeaks," released a tranche of emails between Al-Taiba and individuals connected to the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies (FDD). The Foundation is a pro-Israel thinktank originally called "Emet: An Educational Initiative, Inc.," founded in 2001 by a group of pro-Israel billionaires and designed to blunt growing American sympathy for the Palestinians. FDD has since expanded its mission, under chief honcho Clifford May, to encompass a full-scale projection of Israeli propaganda in the US. The Otaiba-FDD emails reveal extensive cooperation between the ostensibly ultra-Islamic UAE – which, like its Saudi allies and much of the Arab world, has never recognized the state of Israel - and the staunchly Zionist FDD. (See some of the emails here, here, here, and here.) A great deal of the back and forth is between FDD general counsel and former Bush era National Security Advisor John Hannah and Mr. Al-Otaiba.

The emails detail FDD's efforts to show Al-Otaiba that UAE companies doing business with Iran need to be sanctioned: a "target list" is included. The correspondence also details plans for a June 11-14 meeting with FDD personnel and UAE political and military officials, including the ambassador, FDD CEO Mark Dubowitz, and former US defense secretary Robert Gates. And most significantly, on the agenda was "discussion of possible U.S./UAE policies to positively impact Iranian internal situation" including "political, economic, military, intelligence, and cyber tools" designed to "contain and defeat Iranian aggression."

Hmmmm "cyber tools," eh?

Now add to the timeline this reporting by the New York Times:

"[T]hree days after the Trump meeting in Riyadh, the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies held a conference in Washington dedicated to criticism of Qatar, titled 'Qatar and the Muslim Brotherhood's Global Affiliates.'

"Robert M. Gates, the former defense secretary and a friend of Mr. Otaiba, gave the keynote. Attendees included many of the authors of the critical op-ed articles and senior Obama administration officials. Organizers encouraged Mr. Otaiba to attend, and his staff sent Abu Dhabi, the Emirati capital, a detailed report.

"No representative of Qatar was invited. The hack of the Qatari news agency took place after midnight that night."

What a coincidence!

As this piece in the Washington Post puts it, the speculation that "Russian hackers" under Russian state control are behind the Qatar hack is "unlikely." Emails from the hackers bearing Russian "(.ru) addresses seem designed to put detectives off the trail. The Post piece avers that hackers-for-hire were the responsible parties, but the question is: who were they working for?

Which leads us to a larger question: who benefits? Clearly both the Saudis and the Israelis – whose semi-clandestine alliance has been documented in this space – had everything to gain from this intra-Arab spat. United by fear and hatred of Iran, Riyadh and Tel Aviv have been quietly cooperating to unite the Sunni Arabs against Iran – and draw the United States into open conflict with Tehran. Both abhorred and denounced the Iran deal, and are seeking to actively undermine it: that's another item at the top of the FDD/UAE meet up.

Another factor is the relationship between Mr. Al-Taiba and Jared Kushner, Trump's son-in-law and a powerful figure in the administration: the ambassador has been described as Kushner's "mentor" when it comes to schooling him on all matters Middle Eastern. Kushner, for his part, is a strong advocate for Israel.

There are no innocents, no "good guys" in this part of the world: the reality is that all of these Middle Eastern actors have been subsidizing terrorist outfits, in Syria and elsewhere. The Saudis are perhaps the worst offenders: their worldwide network of radical Wahabist mosques and "educational" outfits has been pushing a terrorist agenda for decades.

The UAE has also been a lucrative source of funding for radical Islamic terrorism, notably in Afghanistan and Pakistan. And while Qatar has not been stingy in this regard, its stance has been notably non-sectarian: while they've given support to the Muslim Brotherhood – perhaps the least radical Sunni organization – they are also capable of sending official congratulations to recently re-elected Iranian President Hassan Rouhani.

This is their great "sin" in the eyes of the Saudi-led Sunni Axis: they have tried to mediate the Sunni-Shi'ite religious war, which threatens the entire region with the kind of bloody turmoil that occasioned Europe's Thirty Years' War between Catholics and Protestants.

The idea that Qatar is solely responsible for the growth and development of Middle Eastern terrorism is laughable on its face: that narrative simply won't stand even the most careless scrutiny. And the proposition that Saudi Arabia is any kind of anti-terrorist bulwark is a cruel joke. That the Trump administration is taking this line is absolutely criminal: it amounts to appeasing and succoring the epicenter of radical Islamic terrorism.

The crazy notion that Iran is the world's leading exporter of terrorism is a page right out of the Israeli-Saudi playbook: for the Trump administration to echo this nonsense contradicts the facts and contravenes American interests in the region. For it is the Saudis who have been funding and arming ISIS, and al-Qaeda, in Syria. And the Israelis have openly proclaimed their preference for ISIS over Syrian strongman Bashar al-Assad. It is radical Sunni fundamentalists, not pro-Iranian Shi'ites, who have been conducting a global jihad against American and European targets. Iran is fighting ISIS in Syria – while the US in bombing Syrian government troops, the main obstacle to the ISIS/al-Qaeda forces.

The Saudi-Qatari conflict has all the hallmarks of a joint Saudi-Israeli operation, complete with cyber-hacking, a full-scale propaganda war, and a clueless Uncle Sam stupidly falling for a brazen deception. What's amazing is that, despite the plethora of evidence that the whole thing is a pretty transparent put up job, the usual suspects continue to get away with it.

... ... ...

[Jun 10, 2017] Comey and Mueller Russiagates Mythical Heroes

Notable quotes:
"... Mueller was even okay with the CIA conducting torture programs after his own agents warned against participation. Agents were simply instructed not to document such torture, and any "war crimes files" were made to disappear. Not only did "collect it all" surveillance and torture programs continue, but Mueller's (and then Comey's) FBI later worked to prosecute NSA and CIA whistleblowers who revealed these illegalities. ..."
"... Mueller didn't speak the truth about a war he knew to be unjustified. He didn't speak out against torture. He didn't speak out against unconstitutional surveillance. And he didn't tell the truth about 9/11. He is just "their man." ..."
"... Since Mueller was apparently appointed at least in part as a result of Comey's leak, and no evidence has been shown of the phony Russia charges despite months of possibly extra-legal digging, Mueller's appointment should be cancelled and his office liquidated if that can be done in some fashion. If not, may be he should show more integrity than has heretofore been the case and liquidate the office himself. ..."
"... My old San Fran days memory recalls that "liberal" Democrat Diane Feinstein nominated neo-nazi Republican Mueller to US Attorney for N. California. I recall some thought because her husband was under investigation for a corrupt arms deal. That's just my memory ..."
"... So Clinton's odd lesbian Attorney General helped boost a Republican to greater powers. ..."
"... He was referring specifically to a widely publicized Sept. 14 statement in which he offered assurances - later proved to be false - that the bureau had no warning that terrorists might be training in American flight schools. On Sept. 17, Mr. Mueller went further, saying he knew of "no warning signs" of any sort of attack. ..."
"... Senator Charles E. Grassley, an Iowa Republican who is on the Judiciary Committee, said his staff investigators would explore the accusations made by the Minneapolis agent, Coleen Rowley, that Mr. Mueller and other senior F.B.I. officials had intentionally shaded the truth about the investigation last summer of Zacarias Moussaoui." ..."
"... To summarize, we have a "Republican" from Northern California nominated by a "liberal" Democrat to become part of the Clinton "Justice" department who played a key role as FBI Director to cover 9-11. He now reappears from the grave with great praise from Democrats openly plotting to overthrow President Trump to investigate absurdly silly things like speaking to Russian diplomats. Let us recall Trump openly expressed doubts about the 9-11 twin towers ruse on 9-11! ..."
"... The 911 cover up team is now about to take President Trump down over yet another false flag, and this team would include the leadership of both parties. How convenient that the Democrats are doing the dirty work so that Fox News and the rest can now engage in covering up the Republicans' behind-the-scenes role in all this. ..."
"... March 07, 2017 CIA Leak: "Russian Election Hackers" May Work In Langley ..."
"... Attribution of cyber-intrusions and attacks is nearly impossible. A well executed attack can not be traced back to its culprit. If there are some trails that seem attributable one should be very cautions following them. They are likely faked. ..."
"... Although many details are still hazy because of secrecy – and further befogged by politics – it appears House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes was informed last week about invasive electronic surveillance of senior U.S. government officials and, in turn, passed that information onto President Trump. ..."
"... The 9/11 myth is a multi-layered deception. Those within the kosher parameters of the 9/11 cult include the following: ..."
Jun 10, 2017 | www.unz.com

Mainstream commentators display amnesia when they describe former FBI Directors Robert Mueller and James Comey as stellar and credible law enforcement figures. Perhaps if they included J. Edgar Hoover, such fulsome praise could be put into proper perspective.

Although these Hoover successors, now occupying center stage in the investigation of President Trump, have been hailed for their impeccable character by much of Official Washington, the truth is, as top law enforcement officials of the George W. Bush Administration (Mueller as FBI Director and James Comey as Deputy Attorney General), both presided over post-9/11 cover-ups and secret abuses of the Constitution, enabled Bush-Cheney fabrications used to launch wrongful wars, and exhibited plain vanilla incompetence.

TIME Magazine would probably have not called my own disclosures a " bombshell memo " to the Joint Intelligence Committee Inquiry in May 2002 if it had not been for Mueller's having so misled everyone after 9/11. Although he bore no personal responsibility for intelligence failures before the attack, since he only became FBI Director a week before, Mueller denied or downplayed the significance of warnings that had poured in yet were all ignored or mishandled during the Spring and Summer of 2001.

Bush Administration officials had circled the wagons and refused to publicly own up to what the 9/11 Commission eventually concluded, "that the system had been blinking red ." Failures to read, share or act upon important intelligence, which a FBI agent witness termed " criminal negligence " in later trial testimony, were therefore not fixed in a timely manner. (Some failures were never fixed at all.)

Worse, Bush and Cheney used that post 9/11 period of obfuscation to "roll out" their misbegotten "war on terror," which only served to exponentially increase worldwide terrorism .

Unfulfilled Promise

I wanted to believe Director Mueller when he expressed some regret in our personal meeting the night before we both testified to the Senate Judiciary Committee. He told me he was seeking improvements and that I should not hesitate to contact him if I ever witnessed a similar situation to what was behind the FBI's pre 9/11 failures.

A few months later, when it appeared he was acceding to Bush-Cheney's ginning up intelligence to launch the unjustified, counterproductive and illegal war on Iraq, I took Mueller up on his offer, emailing him my concerns in late February 2003. Mueller knew, for instance, that Vice President Dick Cheney's claims connecting 9/11 to Iraq were bogus yet he remained quiet. He also never responded to my email.

Beyond ignoring politicized intelligence, Mueller bent to other political pressures. In the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks, Mueller directed the " post 9/11 round-up " of about 1,000 immigrants who mostly happened to be in the wrong place (the New York City area) at the wrong time. FBI Headquarters encouraged more and more detentions for what seemed to be essentially P.R. purposes. Field offices were required to report daily the number of detentions in order to supply grist for FBI press releases about FBI "progress" in fighting terrorism. Consequently, some of the detainees were brutalized and jailed for up to a year despite the fact that none turned out to be terrorists .

A History of Failure

Long before he became FBI Director, serious questions existed about Mueller's role as Acting U.S. Attorney in Boston in effectively enabling decades of corruption and covering up of the FBI's illicit deals with mobster Whitey Bulger and other "top echelon" informants who committed numerous murders and crimes. When the truth was finally uncovered through intrepid investigative reporting and persistent, honest judges, U.S. taxpayers footed a $100 million court award to the four men framed for murders committed by (the FBI-operated) Bulger gang.

Current media applause omits the fact that former FBI Director Mueller was the top official in charge of the Anthrax terror fiasco investigation into those 2001 murders , which targeted an innocent man (Steven Hatfill) whose lawsuit eventually forced the FBI to pay $5 million in compensation. Mueller's FBI was also severely criticized by Department of Justice Inspector Generals finding the FBI overstepped the law improperly serving hundreds of thousands of "national security letters" to obtain private (and irrelevant) metadata on citizens, and for infiltrating nonviolent anti-war groups under the guise of investigating "terrorism."

For his part, Deputy Attorney General James Comey , too, went along with the abuses of Bush and Cheney after 9/11 and signed off on a number of highly illegal programs including warrantless surveillance of Americans and torture of captives . Comey also defended the Bush Administration's three-year-long detention of an American citizen without charges or right to counsel.

Up to the March 2004 night in Attorney General John Ashcroft's hospital room, both Comey and Mueller were complicit with implementing a form of martial law, perpetrated via secret Office of Legal Counsel memos mainly written by John Yoo and predicated upon Yoo's singular theories of absolute "imperial" or "war presidency" powers, and requiring Ashcroft every 90 days to renew certification of a "state of emergency."

The Comey/Mueller Myth

What's not well understood is that Comey's and Mueller's joint intervention to stop Bush's men from forcing the sick Attorney General to sign the certification that night was a short-lived moment. A few days later, they all simply went back to the drawing board to draft new legal loopholes to continue the same (unconstitutional) surveillance of Americans.

The mythology of this episode, repeated endlessly throughout the press, is that Comey and Mueller did something significant and lasting in that hospital room. They didn't. Only the legal rationale for their unconstitutional actions was tweaked.

Mueller was even okay with the CIA conducting torture programs after his own agents warned against participation. Agents were simply instructed not to document such torture, and any "war crimes files" were made to disappear. Not only did "collect it all" surveillance and torture programs continue, but Mueller's (and then Comey's) FBI later worked to prosecute NSA and CIA whistleblowers who revealed these illegalities.

ORDER IT NOW

Neither Comey nor Mueller - who are reported to be " joined at the hip " - deserve their current lionization among politicians and mainstream media. Instead of Jimmy Stewart-like "G-men" with reputations for principled integrity, the two close confidants and collaborators merely proved themselves, along with former CIA Director George "Slam Dunk" Tenet, reliably politicized sycophants, enmeshing themselves in a series of wrongful abuses of power along with official incompetence.

It seems clear that based on his history and close "partnership" with Comey, called "one of the closest working relationships the top ranks of the Justice Department have ever seen," Mueller was chosen as Special Counsel not because he has integrity but because he will do what the powerful want him to do.

Mueller didn't speak the truth about a war he knew to be unjustified. He didn't speak out against torture. He didn't speak out against unconstitutional surveillance. And he didn't tell the truth about 9/11. He is just "their man."

Coleen Rowley , a retired FBI special agent and division legal counsel whose May 2002 memo to then-FBI Director Robert Mueller exposed some of the FBI's pre-9/11 failures, was named one of TIME magazine's "Persons of the Year" in 2002. Her 2003 letter to Robert Mueller in opposition to launching the Iraq War is archived in full text on the NYT and her 2013 op-ed entitled " Questions for the FBI Nominee " was published on the day of James Comey's confirmation hearing. This piece will also be cross-posted on Rowley's Huffington Post page.

Dan Hayes June 9, 2017 at 3:46 am GMT

As Colleen Rowley has so thoroughly and unequivocally demonstrated here, both Comey and Mueller are living examples of the Peter Principle (that managers rise to the level of their incompetence).

exiled off mainstreet Show Comment Next New Comment June 9, 2017 at 4:24 am GMT

According to Jonathan Turley, one of the best and most respected legal experts, Comey may have violated the law using his professor friend to leak what he thought was an incriminating memorandum documenting Trump's "hope" that he would lay off Flynn because Flynn was a "good guy." Even torture advocate Dershowitz, who, for his obvious faults, is a talented lawyer, indicates that it is preposterous to call this "obstruction of justice" when Trump had the power to pardon anybody. Meanwhile, the fact that Comey didn't find it necessary to document his interrogation of the harpy on the "matter" of her email server reveals that he seemed totally willing for justice to be obstructed in a more obvious fashion if he was on board with those doing the obstructing. It also came out that some of his testimony today appears to contradict statements he made under oath to Senator Grassley in a hearing dated May 3.

Since Mueller was apparently appointed at least in part as a result of Comey's leak, and no evidence has been shown of the phony Russia charges despite months of possibly extra-legal digging, Mueller's appointment should be cancelled and his office liquidated if that can be done in some fashion. If not, may be he should show more integrity than has heretofore been the case and liquidate the office himself.

Bill Jones Show Comment Next New Comment June 9, 2017 at 5:18 am GMT

Excellent piece. Not a dam word I can find fault with.

Carlton Meyer Website Show Comment Next New Comment June 9, 2017 at 5:31 am GMT

My old San Fran days memory recalls that "liberal" Democrat Diane Feinstein nominated neo-nazi Republican Mueller to US Attorney for N. California. I recall some thought because her husband was under investigation for a corrupt arms deal. That's just my memory

There are now lots of current news stories of Feinstein and open coup plotter Schumer excited about Muller's appointment to convict Trump for something. This from her own website:

https://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?id=FEA7C76A-E029-49AF-98F2-5446AABFAD22

May 17 2017

Washington-Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) today released the following statement on the appointment of former FBI Director Robert Mueller as special counsel: "The appointment of Bob Mueller as special counsel for the Russia investigation is a good first step to get to the bottom of the many questions we have about Russian interference in our election and possible ties to the president.

"Bob was a fine U.S. attorney, a great FBI director and there's no better person who could be asked to perform this function. He is respected, he is talented and he has the knowledge and ability to do the right thing."

I did find this from 1998:

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/U-S-Attorney-Yamaguchi-Announces-Resignation-3000301.php

"In announcing his resignation, Yamaguchi said Attorney General Janet Reno will appoint Robert Mueller, a former federal prosecutor in San Francisco, as interim U.S. attorney. He is currently chief of the homicide division at the U.S. attorney's office in Washington, D.C. Mueller has spent almost his entire career as a federal prosecutor, doing both civil and criminal work in the San Francisco district and then moving to the U.S. attorney's office in Boston. He eventually joined the Justice Department, where he was an assistant attorney general in charge of the criminal division."

So Clinton's odd lesbian Attorney General helped boost a Republican to greater powers.

Mueller went on to play key roles in the PanAm Lockerbie coverup and the 9-11 ruse, despite this:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/692291/posts

"Mr. Mueller's credibility was harshly attacked in a letter made public last weekend in which a Minneapolis agent said the F.B.I. director was engaged in a public relations campaign "to protect the F.B.I. at all costs" after Sept. 11. But they said a review of his public remarks about the Sept. 11 investigation had raised uncomfortable questions about the F.B.I. director's credibility and about his ability to gather accurate information from his deputies."

In a news conference on Wednesday that amounted to a painful mea culpa for the bureau and for his performance in the nine months since he took over the Federal Bureau of Investigation, Mr. Mueller said, "I have made mistakes occasionally in my public comments based on information or a lack of information that I subsequently got."

He was referring specifically to a widely publicized Sept. 14 statement in which he offered assurances - later proved to be false - that the bureau had no warning that terrorists might be training in American flight schools. On Sept. 17, Mr. Mueller went further, saying he knew of "no warning signs" of any sort of attack.

Senator Charles E. Grassley, an Iowa Republican who is on the Judiciary Committee, said his staff investigators would explore the accusations made by the Minneapolis agent, Coleen Rowley, that Mr. Mueller and other senior F.B.I. officials had intentionally shaded the truth about the investigation last summer of Zacarias Moussaoui."

To summarize, we have a "Republican" from Northern California nominated by a "liberal" Democrat to become part of the Clinton "Justice" department who played a key role as FBI Director to cover 9-11. He now reappears from the grave with great praise from Democrats openly plotting to overthrow President Trump to investigate absurdly silly things like speaking to Russian diplomats. Let us recall Trump openly expressed doubts about the 9-11 twin towers ruse on 9-11!

Yes, all corruption in DC eventually becomes a 9-11 thread.

DanCT Show Comment Next New Comment June 9, 2017 at 12:13 pm GMT

The 911 cover up team is now about to take President Trump down over yet another false flag, and this team would include the leadership of both parties. How convenient that the Democrats are doing the dirty work so that Fox News and the rest can now engage in covering up the Republicans' behind-the-scenes role in all this.

Also, Colleen Rowley mentions that Meuller ignored his FBI agents' warnings about not going along with CIA torture overseas, yet there is reason to believe that FBI agents were in fact sent overseas to coordinate this activity with the CIA and Mossad.

Agent76 Show Comment Next New Comment June 9, 2017 at 12:51 pm GMT

March 07, 2017 CIA Leak: "Russian Election Hackers" May Work In Langley

Attribution of cyber-intrusions and attacks is nearly impossible. A well executed attack can not be traced back to its culprit. If there are some trails that seem attributable one should be very cautions following them. They are likely faked.

http://www.4thmedia.org/2017/03/cia-leak-russian-election-hackers-may-work-in-langley/

Agent76 Show Comment Next New Comment June 9, 2017 at 12:55 pm GMT

Aug 8, 2016 "I want to scare Assad" Mike Morell on Charlie Rose

Mike Morell, former deputy director of the CIA, discusses the need to put pressure on Syria and Russia. The full conversation airs on PBS on August 8th, 2016.

MarkinLA Show Comment Next New Comment June 9, 2017 at 2:02 pm GMT

I need to leak a memo (actually my own interpretation of what happened after the fact) to counter any possible lies Trump might say just in case Trump produces a tape of the meeting.

What is wrong with this sentence?

Che Guava Show Comment Next New Comment June 9, 2017 at 3:37 pm GMT

This was an interesting article.

Counterpunch does publish many interesting articles, once upon a time, I was to considering subscription to the print edition, but no credit card, and the 80 to 90% idiocy on the site, The article at the link below is not unrepresentative, though it is at the bottom end of the scale.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/06/09/lessons-from-portlands-clashes-with-fascists

Agent76 Show Comment Next New Comment June 9, 2017 at 5:54 pm GMT

March 31, 2017 The Surveillance State Behind Russia-Gate

Although many details are still hazy because of secrecy – and further befogged by politics – it appears House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes was informed last week about invasive electronic surveillance of senior U.S. government officials and, in turn, passed that information onto President Trump.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-surveillance-state-behind-russia-gate/5582211

Jan 2, 2017 CNN Caught Using Video Game Image In Fake Russian Hacking Story

It looks like CNN Has tried to pull the wool over our eyes once again. This time, they used a screenshot from the Fallout 4 Video game to paint the picture of Russian Hacking. To bad that's not what a real hacking screen looks like. And an image you will only find in the video game! Nice Try Clinton News Network!

Agent76 Show Comment Next New Comment June 9, 2017 at 6:10 pm GMT

@Che Guava This is another good read Che Guava. November 07, 2016 FBI Director James Comey: Hillary Should Not Face Criminal Charges

But Who Conducted the Investigation? FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe Whose Wife Received $467,500. FBI Director James Comey (image left) decided to issue a report two days before the November election confirming that there is no evidence of wrongdoing on the part of Hillary in relation to the recent release of 650,000 Emails on October 28th.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/fbi-director-james-comey-no-evidence-of-hillary-wrong-doing-but-who-conducted-the-investigation-fbi-deputy-director-andrew-mccabe-bribed-whose-wife-received-467000/5555398

Agent76 Show Comment Next New Comment June 9, 2017 at 6:13 pm GMT

@Carlton Meyer This a very good read on the 9/11 event. September 07, 2016 September 11, 2001: The 15th Anniversary of the Crime and Cover-up of the Century "What Really Happened"?

New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani to be trucked away and shipped to China – an order that constitutes disturbing a crime scene – which is a federal crime.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/september-11-2001-the-15th-anniversary-of-the-crime-and-cover-up-of-the-century/5544414

Julius Evola Show Comment Next New Comment June 9, 2017 at 6:14 pm GMT

Get a life!

Anonymous Show Comment Next New Comment June 9, 2017 at 11:15 pm GMT

@MarkinLA I need to leak a memo (actually my own interpretation of what happened after the fact) to counter any possible lies Trump might say just in case Trump produces a tape of the meeting.

What is wrong with this sentence? Actually what is right about your post ia that it draws attention to the likelihood that the President would have recordings of all such conversations (not ones when he says "come for a walk with me while I stretch my legs in the garden") and that, anyway, a canny fellow like Comey would assume so and, accordingly, make notes immediately afterwards to ensure that he was right on all the key points. Which all leads to the conclusion that recordings would bear out Comey.

Priss Factor Show Comment Next New Comment June 9, 2017 at 11:18 pm GMT

Deep State messes up and sheeple run wild.

Anonymous Show Comment Next New Comment June 9, 2017 at 11:34 pm GMT

@Agent76 As a big factor in Comey's thinking just before the election when new material possibly pertinent to Clinton's irregullarities came to FBI attention would have been his own self interest it seems reasonable to suppose that both his embarrassment of Clinton by his communication to Congress and his exoneration of her were part of a process which began with "how bad could it be for me if Clinton wins [as I sulppose she will] and something really bad turns up from the investigation of the emails?". Then, given it was true, the exonerating statement is a no brainer (he restores his position as well as he can with Clinton in case she wins and he inly diminishes his credit with Trump slightly if Trumo wins).

Mulegino1 Show Comment Next New Comment June 10, 2017 at 1:24 am GMT

The 9/11 myth is a multi-layered deception. Those within the kosher parameters of the 9/11 cult include the following:

Robert Muller's role has nothing to do with being an impartial prosecutor but about being a "fixer" in proper Washingtonian parlance. He was probably brought into the FBI to insure a foreordained "slam dunk" verdict that 19 Arab amateur pilots hijacked 4 airliners led by a deathly ill man living in a cave, performed miraculous feats of aviation which would have made Waldo Pepper envious and violated the laws of physics all in one day. Now he is serving another purpose for his string pullers in the deep state by torpedoing Trump.

As Conan-Doyle wrote, "Whenever you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."

Office fires, nor jet fuel, nor building collapses or aircraft impacts will not cause hundreds of thousands of tons of structural steel and concrete to undergo molecular dissociation and turn into dust clouds. They generally do not cause the metal components of vehicles in the vicinity to be destroyed while their non-metallic components remain intact. Neither will conventional explosives or even nano-thermite. The destruction of WTC 1, WTC 2 and the core of WTC 6 was not caused by any of these things alone. WTC 7 may have been a case of conventional controlled demolition, but the idea that it experienced universal failure and collapsed into its footprint because of "raging fires" is too stupid for words.

It is O'Brien holding up the three fingers and torturing Winston into seeing two – except that a good part of our public accepts their masters' voice willingly and enthusiastically, even today in 2017.

geokat62 Show Comment Next New Comment June 10, 2017 at 2:20 am GMT

@Mulegino1

The 9/11 myth is a multi-layered deception. Those within the kosher parameters of the 9/11 cult include the following:

Not sure anyone would accuse Philip Giraldi (former counter-terrorism specialist and military intelligence officer of the CIA) of someone who is "within the kosher parameters of the 9/11 cult":

If there had been such a gathering, I would imagine that the Washington Post would have found out about it on the next day as intelligence officers are gregarious and like to talk. This has been my principal problem with the debate in some quarters about the 9/11 Commission. Their report did indeed miss many important angles in order to protect certain governmental interests, but if there had been a genuine conspiracy involving what must have been hundreds of people to demolish the Twin Towers with explosives, it surely would have leaked long ago .

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/do-high-level-leaks-suggest-a-conspiracy/

[Jun 08, 2017] Remembering the U.S.S. Liberty by Philip Giraldi

Notable quotes:
"... There has been a lot of media coverage mostly written by Israelis or American Jews regarding Israel's "victory" fifty years ago during the so-called Six Days War directed against its Arab neighbors but I have yet to see an account that mentions the fate of the U.S.S. Liberty . ..."
"... The Liberty survivors who will be present in Arlington on Thursday will be fewer than usual because the crew is having its own 50 th anniversary commemoration in Norfolk, Virginia, home of the U.S. Atlantic fleet. In truth the attack on the U.S.S. Liberty by Israeli warplanes and torpedo boats on June 8, 1967, has almost faded from memory, with a younger generation completely unaware that a United States naval vessel was once deliberately targeted and nearly sunk by America's "greatest friend and ally" Israel. The attack was followed by a cover-up that demonstrated clearly that at least one president of the United States even back nearly fifty years ago valued his relationship with the state of Israel above his loyalty to his own country. ..."
"... The entire 6-day war was a particularly brutal and unprovoked attack by Israel against Egypt and other Arab states. Just as the Israeli government lied about the attack on the Liberty, they lied about being attacked by Egypt. When are the US populatation going to say enough and force the US government to stop supporting this mendacious, duplicious and brutal apartheid artificial Zionist colony in the Middle East? Today, 6/5 the Senate passed a unanimous resolution to move the US Embassy to Jerusalem immediately. Trunp is still delaying. But for how long? ..."
"... A few years ago, the Israeli pilot who led the attack on the USS Liberty was interviewed by the Jerusalem post. He said the sailers were lucky he didn't have bombs on board, otherwise he would have sunk it. ..."
"... That always seemed an odd aspect of the story to me. If it were a deliberate attack, why leave survivors? Why not sink it? This wasn't the Yamamoto, for heaven's sake. It probably wouldn't have taken more than one direct it from a 2000 pound bomb to sink it. there is no shortage of hocus pocus amongst the great powers of the day.british officers sending Australian troops to there death at Gallipoli is another example ..."
"... It was a failed false flag; the purpose of which: to incriminate Egypt. The entire plot relied on the total destruction of the Liberty and it's crew: no ship, no crew, no evidence. (The failed false flag hypothesis at least makes some sense of Israeli motives. ..."
"... Which leads to the 2nd point ( harder to demonstrate ) that the highest level of the US Admin KNEW about this or "a" pending false flag attack by the Israelis. The speed - confidence - with which Macnamara calls off the jets, the well oiled cover up later, all, at least, suggest US foreknowledge. US complicity would also help explain why the Israelis weren't that worried about radio traffic ID'ing their fighters. ..."
"... The whole "false flag" thing should be obviously wrong to you all. There is no way Israel ever could have framed Egypt for an attack on a US ship because, like Israel, like every other country then and now, nobody has any incentive to deliberately attack a US ship. Moreover, by the time of the attack, Israel had already won the war, and the USA was already quietly supporting Israel. ..."
"... And as Dave Pinsen pointed out, if Israel had intended to sink the Liberty, it would have done so quite easily. ..."
"... The difference between Pres Eisenhower 1956 and LBJ 1967 is that Eisenhower was independent of Jewish power. LBJ was totally owned by Jews in both foreign policy and domestic policy( 1965 immigration act, 1968 affirmative action act, EEOC, funding all sorts of black militant war on poverty programs, on and on). ..."
"... War unleashed is rarely rational. The '67 War was an audacious gamble for nascent Israel. Raw memories of Ike's humbling restraint in Suez '56 may have been fresh. Why tolerate loose ends that risk defeat? Trust no one. Better to eliminate all unknowns, anything that imperils success. The universal war code: do all that's necessary to win. Eliminate all unknowns. The rest will sort itself out. And so they did (my uneducated guess). ..."
"... Why is there an urgent NEED for a "special prosecutor" to investigate the influence of a foreign power on our political system ,when it 's RUSSIA, ......but No NEED whatsoever , when its King BIBI and Israel? ..."
Jun 08, 2017 | www.unz.com
The 50 year cover-up of a mass murder of U.S. servicemen orchestrated by Israel and its friends Philip Giraldi June 6, 2017 1,600 Words 204 Comments Reply

There has been a lot of media coverage mostly written by Israelis or American Jews regarding Israel's "victory" fifty years ago during the so-called Six Days War directed against its Arab neighbors but I have yet to see an account that mentions the fate of the U.S.S. Liberty .

Nevertheless, the Liberty is not forgotten. This Thursday at noon at Arlington National Cemetery there will be a small gathering for the annual coming together with the survivors and friends of the most decorated ship in the history of the U.S. Navy, a victim of a particularly brutal and unprovoked attack by Israel that has been covered up for half a century by the powers that be in Washington. The moving service will include reminiscences by surviving crew members plus the ringing of a ship's bell for each one of the thirty-four American sailors, Marines and civilians that were killed in the deliberate Israeli air and sea onslaught that sought to sink the intelligence gathering ship and kill all its crew. Present will be a number of veterans like myself and other Americans who are committed to ensuring that the story of the Liberty will not die in hopes that someday the United States government will have the courage to acknowledge what actually happened on that fateful day.

The Liberty survivors who will be present in Arlington on Thursday will be fewer than usual because the crew is having its own 50 th anniversary commemoration in Norfolk, Virginia, home of the U.S. Atlantic fleet. In truth the attack on the U.S.S. Liberty by Israeli warplanes and torpedo boats on June 8, 1967, has almost faded from memory, with a younger generation completely unaware that a United States naval vessel was once deliberately targeted and nearly sunk by America's "greatest friend and ally" Israel. The attack was followed by a cover-up that demonstrated clearly that at least one president of the United States even back nearly fifty years ago valued his relationship with the state of Israel above his loyalty to his own country.

It was in truth the worst attack ever carried out on a U.S. Naval vessel in peace time. In addition to the death toll, 171 more of the crew were wounded in the two-hour assault, which was clearly intended to destroy the intelligence gathering vessel operating in international waters collecting information on the ongoing fighting between Israel and its Arab neighbors. The Israelis, whose planes had their Star of David markings covered up so Egypt could be blamed, attacked the ship repeatedly from the air and with gunboats from the sea. When one Israeli pilot hesitated, refusing to attack what was clearly an American ship, he was instructed to proceed anyway.

The most disgusting part of the tale relates to how U.S. warplanes sent to the Liberty 's aid from an aircraft carrier in the Mediterranean were called back by Defense Secretary Robert McNamara acting under orders from President Lyndon Baines Johnson, who declared that he would rather see the ship go to the bottom of the sea than embarrass his good friend Israel. Ironically, the first ship to reach the Liberty and offer assistance was from the Soviet Union, an offer that was declined.

Johnson reportedly feared Jewish influence over Congress and in the media, which might work together to block his "Great Society" legislative initiatives, not to mention his expected reelection bid in 1968. It was an early manifestation of the power of the Jewish lobby in American politics and foreign relations. One has to hope that both LBJ and McNamara are currently burning in hell.

The incredible courage and determination of the surviving crew was the only thing that kept the Liberty from sinking. The ship's commanding officer Captain William McGonagle was awarded a Congressional Medal of Honor for his heroic role in keeping the ship afloat, though President Lyndon Baines Johnson broke with tradition and refused to hold the medal ceremony in the White House, also declining to award it personally, delegating that task to the Secretary of the Navy in a closed to the public presentation made at the Washington Navy Yard. The additional medals given to other crew members in the aftermath of the attack made the U.S.S. Liberty the most decorated ship based on a single engagement with hostile forces in the history of the United States Navy.

The cover-up of the attack began immediately. The Liberty crew was sworn to secrecy over the incident, as were the Naval dockyard workers in Malta, and even the men of the U.S.S. Davis , which had assisted the badly damaged Liberty to port were ordered to be silent. A hastily convened and conducted court of inquiry headed by Admiral John McCain acted under orders from Washington to declare the attack a case of mistaken identity. The inquiry's senior legal counsel Captain Ward Boston, who subsequently declared the attack to be a "deliberate effort to sink an American ship and murder its entire crew," also described how "President Lyndon Johnson and Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara ordered him to conclude that the attack was a case of 'mistaken identity' despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary." The court's findings were rewritten and sections relating to Israeli war crimes, to include the machine gunning of life rafts, were excised. Following in his father's footsteps, Senator John McCain of Arizona has used his position on the Senate Armed Services Committee to effectively block any reconvening of a board of inquiry to reexamine the evidence. Most of the documents relating to the Liberty incident have never been released to the public in spite of the 50 years that have passed since the attack took place.

ORDER IT NOW

The faux court of inquiry and the medals awarded in secret were only the first steps in the cover-up, which has persisted to this day, orchestrated by politicians and a media that seem to place Israel's interests ahead of those of the United States. Liberty survivors have been finding it difficult even to make their case in public. In April 2016 a billboard that read "Help the USS Liberty Survivors – Attacked by Israel" was taken down in New Bedford Massachusetts. The billboard had been placed by the Honor Liberty Vets Organization and, as is normal practice, was paid for through a contractual arrangement that would require the billboard company to post the image for a fixed length of time. It was one of a number of billboards placed in different states. Inevitably, Israel's well connected friends began to complain. One Jewish businessman threatened to take his business elsewhere, so the advertising company obligingly removed the billboard two weeks early.

After fifty years, the dwindling number of survivors of the Liberty are not looking for punishment or revenge. When asked, they will tell you that they only ask for accountability, that an impartial inquiry into the attack be convened and that the true story of what took place finally be revealed to the public.

That Congress is deaf to the pleas of the Liberty crew should surprise no one as the nation's legislative body has been for years, as Pat Buchanan once put it, "Israeli occupied territory." The Lobby's ability to force Congress and even the presidency to submit to its will has been spelled out in some detail by critics, first by Paul Findley in They Dare to Speak Out , later by John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt in The Israel Lobby , in Alison Weir's Against Our Better Judgment , and most recently in Kirk Beattie's excellent Congress and the Shaping of the Middle East .

Government willingness at all levels to protect Israel even when it is killing Americans is remarkable, but it is symptom of the deep corruption that has generated a tendency to go to bat for Israel reflexively, even when it is damaging to U.S. interests and to the rights that American citizens are supposed to enjoy. I note particularly legislation currently working its way through Congress and numerous statehouses make it illegal for any federal or state funding to go to any entity that supports the Boycott, Divest and Sanction movement, better known as BDS. BDS is a way to put pressure on the Israeli government over its human rights abuses that is both non-violent and potentially effective. Israel's supporters have labeled BDS as anti-Semitic and have had some success in making any criticism of Israel labeled a "hate crime."

So the treatment of the U.S.S. Liberty should surprise no one in a country whose governing class has been for decades doing the bidding of the powerful lobby of a tiny client state that has been nothing but trouble and expense for the United States of America. Will it ever end? As the Israel Lobby currently controls the relevant parts of the federal government and much of the media, change is not likely to happen overnight, but there are some positive signs. The BDS movement is growing in spite of the pressure it is experiencing and will not go away. And opinion polls suggest that the American people are finally waking up to realize that they are sick and tired of the entire farce playing out in the Middle East under Israeli direction. Israel, which aggressively spies on us, kills our citizens and takes billions of dollars of our tax money which could be better spent here, is no friend of the United States and never has been. Just ask anyone who served on the U.S.S. Liberty .

Joe Franklin June 6, 2017 at 5:46 am GMT

Here's the official USS Liberty survivors website, authored by the Navy servicemen that survived the Israeli attack:

http://www.gtr5.com/

On June 8, 1967, US Navy intelligence ship USS Liberty was suddenly and brutally attacked on the high seas in international waters by the air and naval forces of Israel. The Israeli forces attacked with full knowledge that this was an American ship and lied about it. Survivors have been forbidden for 40 years to tell their story under oath to the American public. The USS Liberty Memorial web site tells their story and is dedicated to the memory of the 34 brave men who died.

The Attack

After surveilling USS Liberty for more than nine hours with almost hourly aircraft overflights and radar tracking, the air and naval forces of Israel attacked our ship in international waters without warning. USS Liberty was identified as a US naval ship by Israeli reconnaissance aircraft nine hours before the attack and continuously tracked by Israeli radar and aircraft thereafter. Sailing in international waters at less than five knots, with no offensive armament, our ship was not a military threat to anyone.

The Israeli forces attacked without warning and without attempting to contact us. Thirty four Americans were killed in the attack and another 174 were wounded. The ship, a $40-million dollar state-of-the-art signals intelligence platform, was later declared unsalvageable and sold for scrap.

The Cover Up

Despite a near-universal consensus that the Israeli attack was made with full knowledge that USS Liberty was a US Navy ship, the Johnson administration began an immediate cover-up of this fact. Though administration officers continued individually to characterize the attack as deliberate, the Johnson administration never sought the prosecution of the guilty parties or otherwise attempted to seek justice for the victims. They concealed and altered evidence in their effort to downplay the attack. Though they never formally accepted the Israeli explanation that it was an accident, they never pressed for a full investigation either. They simply allowed those responsible literally to get away with murder.

In an ongoing effort to reveal the truth about the attack, the USS Liberty Veterans Association has filed with the Secretary of the Army in the manner prescribed by law a detailed, fully documented Report of War Crimes describing the circumstances of the attack on our ship and evidence that it was a crime under international law. In accordance with international law and treaties, the United States is obligated to investigate the allegations. So far, the United States has declined even to acknowledge that the report has been filed. The full text of the report can be found at http://www.gtr5.com/evidence/warcrimes.pdf

RobinG June 6, 2017 at 6:17 am GMT

Yes, the Israelis intentionally attacked the USS Liberty. Whose idea was it?

"That should tell you WE, the USA were expecting an attack and most likely Lyndon Johnson was in on the nefarious plot. So it looks like LBJ told the Israelis go ahead and sink the USS Liberty (miraculously it did not sink) and that will give us a pretext to enter the Six Day War on Israel's side, launch an invasion of Egypt and depose Nassar who the USA did not like and who was too cozy with the USSR. In other words, LBJ was cooking up a Gulf of Tonkin type incident to justify a criminal Middle East war, based on a US sponsored false flag attack."

https://www.amazon.com/Operation-Cyanide-Bombing-Liberty-Nearly/dp/1904132197

Operation Cyanide: How the Bombing of the USS Liberty Nearly Caused World War Three

animalogic June 6, 2017 at 6:22 am GMT

The further I learn about this grotesque, criminal incident the further I strongly suspect two things:
1. It was a failed false flag; the purpose of which: to incriminate Egypt. The entire plot relied on the total destruction of the Liberty and it's crew: no ship, no crew, no evidence. (The failed false flag hypothesis at least makes some sense of Israeli motives. Against this view: the Israelis failed, which may be interpreted as evidence that complete destruction was NOT the goal. Also, it might be thought how could the Israelis be SO stupid as to think, given the length of time from observation to concluded attack, that they could "get away with it"? But again, no ship, no crew, no evidence. The rest is denial and bullshit.)
2. Which leads to the 2nd point ( harder to demonstrate ) that the highest level of the US Admin KNEW about this or "a" pending false flag attack by the Israelis. The speed – confidence – with which Macnamara calls off the jets, the well oiled cover up later, all, at least, suggest US foreknowledge. US complicity would also help explain why the Israelis weren't that worried about radio traffic ID'ing their fighters.
On even the bare facts the Liberty incident represented that even 50 years ago, the US government was in (treasonous ) thrall to a foreign power.

JA139 June 6, 2017 at 6:27 am GMT

a victim of a particularly brutal and unprovoked attack by Israel that has been covered up for half a century by the powers that be in Washington.

The entire 6-day war was a particularly brutal and unprovoked attack by Israel against Egypt and other Arab states. Just as the Israeli government lied about the attack on the Liberty, they lied about being attacked by Egypt. When are the US populatation going to say enough and force the US government to stop supporting this mendacious, duplicious and brutal apartheid artificial Zionist colony in the Middle East?

chris June 6, 2017 at 7:41 am GMT

@mcohen phil .why waste your time.the USS liberty was intercepted by soviet forces spying on communications between Russia and Egypt.it was attacked by aircraft piloted by Russian pilots,
there is no way the USA would directly attack Russian forces in retaliation.it is all about proxy armies doing there bidding. What an ass.

If this is true, why did the Israelis belatedly pay some reparations to the crew? When McNamara ordered a stop to the rescue effort and said he didn't want to shame our ally, was he talking about the Soviet Union? Why, after the fall of the Soviet Union, were the US archives not unsealed in order to exonerate our greatest ally?

BTW, does anyone else on your ward believe your theory?

Ben_C June 6, 2017 at 10:12 am GMT

Phil,

You're missing the big picture here What about Israel's "remarkable restraint" we've been told so much about?

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/381726/tragedy-israel-rand-paul

Greg Bacon Website June 6, 2017 at 10:35 am GMT

After this savage and brutal attack by Israel against an American ship and nothing happened to Israel, they realized that they could now openly attack the USA, while having their MSM blame Muslims, so that Israel could bend and twist our foreign policy to do their bidding.

Which led straight to the 9/11 False Flag, masterminded by Israel, with help from traitors in the WH, the Pentagon, CIA, FBI and NSA. With generous help from the Lying MSM.

http://www.911history.de/aaannxyz_ch11_en.html

America isn't a free nation, we are living under the boot heel of Israeli tyranny.

Lot June 6, 2017 at 10:42 am GMT

Kind of obsessed, huh?

For more Unz.com coverage:

Anonymous June 6, 2017 at 10:46 am GMT

@JA139

a victim of a particularly brutal and unprovoked attack by Israel that has been covered up for half a century by the powers that be in Washington.
The entire 6-day war was a particularly brutal and unprovoked attack by Israel against Egypt and other Arab states. Just as the Israeli government lied about the attack on the Liberty, they lied about being attacked by Egypt. When are the US populatation going to say enough and force the US government to stop supporting this mendacious, duplicious and brutal apartheid artificial Zionist colony in the Middle East? Today, 6/5 the Senate passed a unanimous resolution to move the US Embassy to Jerusalem immediately. Trunp is still delaying. But for how long?
mcohen June 6, 2017 at 11:13 am GMT

@Dave Pinsen Now that's a new conspiracy theory.

A few years ago, the Israeli pilot who led the attack on the USS Liberty was interviewed by the Jerusalem post. He said the sailers were lucky he didn't have bombs on board, otherwise he would have sunk it.

That always seemed an odd aspect of the story to me. If it were a deliberate attack, why leave survivors? Why not sink it? This wasn't the Yamamoto, for heaven's sake. It probably wouldn't have taken more than one direct it from a 2000 pound bomb to sink it. there is no shortage of hocus pocus amongst the great powers of the day.british officers sending Australian troops to there death at Gallipoli is another example

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standing on the corner
turning a trick

stand in line take your pick
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some are skinny some are thick
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where fools tread
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take out the trash
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RealAmerican June 6, 2017 at 11:31 am GMT

Once again, Mr. Giraldi demonstrates his profound patriotism, and his stunning courage to speak the truth.

LondonBob June 6, 2017 at 11:52 am GMT

LBJ's links to Israel were very deep and begin much earlier. That connection also explains how he became President.

http://5tjt.com/our-first-jewish-president-lyndon-johnson-an-update/

Interestingly Devin Nunes is tied in with the USS Liberty.

In the award ceremony at the Visalia (California) office of Rep. Devin Nunes, the Republican congressman pinned the Silver Star next to the Purple Heart that Halbardier found in his home mailbox three years ago. Nunes said, "The government has kept this quiet I think for too long, and I felt as my constituent he [Halbardier] needed to get recognized for the services he made to his country."

https://consortiumnews.com/2014/08/17/a-uss-libertys-heros-passing/

n230099 June 6, 2017 at 12:15 pm GMT

Someone sure has a bug-up-their-butt about this. "War" is always a mess. Deal with it we used to throw VC out the huey doors till the last one gave up what we wanted to hear. Now we buy our shirts and shoes from there. The time spent re-living the "Liberty" is time you will "never get back".

Che Guava June 6, 2017 at 12:22 pm GMT

@Dave Pinsen The ship you are thinking of is the Yamato.

Yamamoto was the admiral who reluctantly but to the best of his ability led the attack on Pearl Harbour (very effective and brilliant, except for the mysteriously missing carriers) and various other actions until his later assassination by US presidential order.

A military genius, and he knew what the absence of carriers meant.

Using torpedo boats is equivalent to such a bomb as your pilot described, but the Liberty did not sink before the situation changed enough to make the Israelis back off.

Your pilot sounds like a very poisonous person.

Agent76 June 6, 2017 at 12:44 pm GMT

Jun 8, 2016 USS Liberty - the Real Story - as told by the survivors

Thirdeye June 6, 2017 at 3:12 pm GMT

@Che Guava The ship you are thinking of is the Yamato.

Yamamoto was the admiral who reluctantly but to the best of his ability led the attack on Pearl Harbour (very effective and brilliant, except for the mysteriously missing carriers) and various other actions until his later assassination by US presidential order.

A military genius, and he knew what the absence of carriers meant.

Using torpedo boats is equivalent to such a bomb as your pilot described, but the Liberty did not sink before the situation changed enough to make the Israelis back off.

Your pilot sounds like a very poisonous person. Not that effective or brilliant. The fixation on battleship row was sophomoric. According to Admiral Nimitz, taking out the shore support facilities would have had a much greater impact on the US ability to wage war in the Pacific, forcing the US fleet to base its operations out of San Diego. That would have made it virtually impossible to project US power into the western Pacific during the crucial time in which the battles of the Coral Sea, Midway, and Guadalcanal took place.
The Japanese also had an unrealized opportunity to seize Oahu because the land forces defending it were weak. As it was, most of the damaged ships were salvaged after sitting in the mud and they were facing obsolescence as first line assets with the battleship and carrier building program then underway.

Eagle Eye June 6, 2017 at 3:15 pm GMT

@Joe Franklin Here's the official USS Liberty survivors website, authored by the Navy servicemen that survived the Israeli attack:

http://www.gtr5.com/

On June 8, 1967, US Navy intelligence ship USS Liberty was suddenly and brutally attacked on the high seas in international waters by the air and naval forces of Israel. The Israeli forces attacked with full knowledge that this was an American ship and lied about it. Survivors have been forbidden for 40 years to tell their story under oath to the American public. The USS Liberty Memorial web site tells their story and is dedicated to the memory of the 34 brave men who died.

The Attack

After surveilling USS Liberty for more than nine hours with almost hourly aircraft overflights and radar tracking, the air and naval forces of Israel attacked our ship in international waters without warning. USS Liberty was identified as a US naval ship by Israeli reconnaissance aircraft nine hours before the attack and continuously tracked by Israeli radar and aircraft thereafter. Sailing in international waters at less than five knots, with no offensive armament, our ship was not a military threat to anyone.

The Israeli forces attacked without warning and without attempting to contact us. Thirty four Americans were killed in the attack and another 174 were wounded. The ship, a $40-million dollar state-of-the-art signals intelligence platform, was later declared unsalvageable and sold for scrap.

The Cover Up

Despite a near-universal consensus that the Israeli attack was made with full knowledge that USS Liberty was a US Navy ship, the Johnson administration began an immediate cover-up of this fact. Though administration officers continued individually to characterize the attack as deliberate, the Johnson administration never sought the prosecution of the guilty parties or otherwise attempted to seek justice for the victims. They concealed and altered evidence in their effort to downplay the attack. Though they never formally accepted the Israeli explanation that it was an accident, they never pressed for a full investigation either. They simply allowed those responsible literally to get away with murder.

In an ongoing effort to reveal the truth about the attack, the USS Liberty Veterans Association has filed with the Secretary of the Army in the manner prescribed by law a detailed, fully documented Report of War Crimes describing the circumstances of the attack on our ship and evidence that it was a crime under international law. In accordance with international law and treaties, the United States is obligated to investigate the allegations. So far, the United States has declined even to acknowledge that the report has been filed. The full text of the report can be found at http://www.gtr5.com/evidence/warcrimes.pdf

In an ongoing effort to reveal the truth about the attack, the USS Liberty Veterans Association has filed with the Secretary of the Army in the manner prescribed by law a detailed, fully documented Report of War Crimes describing the circumstances of the attack on our ship and evidence that it was a crime under international law.

With all due respect to the heroic sailors and civilian staff of the USS Liberty – they were sacrificed by the U.S. military to justify a war against Egypt. LBJ wanted war FOR HIS OWN PURPOSES, but apparently later pulled back. So much for the idea of LBJ being an Israeli puppet.

Let's look at a timeline:

October 1956 – March 1957 Great Britain, France and Israel join to retake control of the Suez Canal. Eisenhower administration takes vigorous steps to force all three to retreat from Egypt.

November 24, 1963 – Former (?) CIA agent Lee Harvey Oswald is murdered in LBJ's home state of Texas. Oswald had earlier served as radio operator keeping in touch with Gary Powers during Powers' overflights of the Soviet Union. Powers himself later confirmed this in a book. Powers later died when his helicopter crashed.

Two days earlier, JFK had also been murdered in Texas, clearing the way for LBJ to become president.

August 1964 – LBJ stages the "Gulf of Tonkin" incident to justify all-out U.S. involvement in the Vietnam War.

June 1967 – LBJ and McNamara are kept informed in real time as the U.S. intelligence vessel USS Liberty is attacked and sunk by a combined air/sea attack. U.S. aircraft are scrambled but are recalled on personal orders from McNamara, almost certainly at LBJ's instructions.

The U.S. military command was throughout following the USS Liberty incident in real time through radar, radio, visual surveillance and intelligence sources in Israel and Egypt.

January 1968 – Still not satisfied in his blood lust, LBJ stages yet another incident sacrificing a U.S. intelligence vessel, the USS Pueblo. This time, the aim is to provoke yet another confrontation with North Korea in the middle of the Vietnam war.

CONCLUSION: Johnson wanted war, the more the better. War presents great opportunities for profiteering, and just as importantly, allows an administration to push through policies that would never be tolerated in peacetime.

Fellow Democrats Woodrow Wilson (WW I), FDR (WW II) and Harry Truman (Korea) had shown how it's done.

Z-man

June 6, 2017 at 3:20 pm GMT @n230099

Someone sure has a bug-up-their-butt about this. "War" is always a mess. Deal with it...we used to throw VC out the huey doors till the last one gave up what we wanted to hear. Now we buy our shirts and shoes from there. The time spent re-living the "Liberty" is time you will "never get back". No, the Liberty affair is one of the few 'unadulterated' examples that clearly shows that the Zionists are not our friends! So it must be kept 'alive'!

Greg Maybury

June 6, 2017 at 3:22 pm GMT 200 Words Attention: All UNZ Readers and Commenters

SUBJECT: The Six-Day War and the attempted sinking of the USS Liberty by Israeli Defence Forces

"What did the President Know, and When Did he Know It?"

Feature Article: Of Treachery, Treason, Terror, Truth, and Liberty Forsaken (An American Tale) Part One (Part Two in 2 Days)

http://poxamerikana.com/2017/05/08/of-treachery-treason-terror-truth-and-liberty-forsaken-an-american-tale-part-1/

For those who've not seen my latest article above - the first instalment of a two parter, with the second part due June 8 - I trust you can all find time to read* and if you like what you read, then repost on your respective Facebook TLs, and otherwise circulate, republish, and/or Tweet as you see fit.

Taking my cue from Phil Nelson's new book, Remember the Liberty: Almost Sunk by Treason on the High Seas but incorporating numerous other sources, my comprehensive analysis and commentary on the Liberty tragedy and the Six-Day War in which it took place is I believe one of the most important topics I've attempted to cover. The real backstory behind both of these events is one that has rarely if ever been explored - much less exposed - in such depth. As a heads up, there is one especially shocking revelation (to be revealed in Part 2), that will test most folks ability to cope with cognitive dissonance. It changes the narrative completely.

SolontoCroesus June 6, 2017 at 3:22 pm GMT

@Quartermaster The Liberty incident was not covered up. It was investigated and the problem was that 6th Fleet HQ had informed the Israelis we did not have any ships in the region. Flying a false flag is not illegal under international law, as long as the ship is not engaged in hostilities.

Israel admitted their mistake and paid reparations. Giraldi is simply promulgating a conspiracy theory. yes yes indeed, it was all a tragic mistake.

we know this because once the mistake was recognized (and the Israeli pilots had changed out of their orgasm-soaked panties), Israel rushed to aid the survivors of the Liberty. Riiiight.

Among the dozen-and-a-half stupid and mendacious things Finkelstein says in the second part of the interview with the painfully p-a-t-i-e-n-t Aaron Mate (make that, Mat – ay, kinda like Benjamin Ni-tay / Netanyahu/Milikovsky) is that "Israel became an asset to USA." http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/remembering-the-u-s-s-liberty-2/#comment-1896678

He got it ass backward: LBJ was an asset of the Israelis

(see Jeff Gates's explication of how the "transgenerational criminal syndicate" aka zionists use assets https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlbN2GEYW9w&t=48s @5 min:
"An Asset is Someone who has been profiled in sufficient depth, that if you put them in a time, place and circumstance you know within an acceptable range of probabilities that they will perform consistent with their personality profile ."

What's 'er name Krim was in the White House to ensure that LBJ stayed on script; one imagines she had in her overnight bag photos of Jackie's bloody pink suit, in the event LBJ was tempted to stray.

Regarding Mat é combined with the gush- rush of three aging Jewish scribblers to "set the record straight" - I'm not buying. English Outsider, A commenter on Pat Lang's blog, analyzed a New York Times article that purported to "fairly" report on the situation in Aleppo. English Outsider, who appears to be a PR professional, argued that the NYTimes piece was a "narrative adjustment exercise" -

"That's a polite way of saying that the press start out by giving us one story but later, when it becomes apparent that the story they were selling is nonsense, they have to try to move to the new story without us noticing the change. . . . you don't have to be an expert to see that that NYT piece cited isn't honest journalism."

And you don't have to be an aromachologist to detect the bullshit in Finkelstein's tall tales in the second Maté interview.

As for Mat é, he deserves an Emmy for his semi-penitent demeanor in the Finkelstein interviews. He's had plenty of practice, having done reporting for Democracy Now and for The Intercept. MoonofAlabama posted this important take-down of the Intercept - Do Not Trust The Intercept or How To Burn A Source.

Nor is mcohen's claim that Finkelstein is Mossad (#32) persuasive: In Der Judenstaat, Theodor Herzl complained/warned:

"We continue to produce an abundance of mediocre intellects who find no outlet, and this endangers our social position as much as does our increasing wealth. Educated Jews without means are now rapidly becoming Socialists. Hence we are certain to suffer very severely in the struggle between classes, because we stand in the most exposed position in the camps of both Socialists and capitalists. "

This describes NF to a T, and also serves to explain the proliferation of think-tanks, set up to provide a paycheck for that legion of over-credentialed under-aware faux-intellects seeking relevance - and a pension.

Agent76 June 6, 2017 at 3:28 pm GMT

@jilles dykstra You must be a book reader and internet researcher. Good post Jilles Dykstra.

Sep 5, 2016 9/11 Suspects: Rudy Giuliani

Mayor Giuliani oversaw the illegal destruction of the 9/11 crime scene and is criminally liable for the deaths of hundreds of emergency workers for not passing on prior warnings about the collapses of the Twin Towers. It is no wonder, then, that the Fire Department of New York so passionately detest Giuliani for his actions in disgracing their fallen brothers and covering up the 9/11 crime.

https://youtu.be/Cl85JSvDmsA

September 07, 2016 September 11, 2001: The 15th Anniversary of the Crime and Cover-up of the Century "What Really Happened"?

The arrow points to a "squib" of exploding gas which is commonly seen with controlled demolitions. Some of the "splinters" seen (the only solid objects that did not pulverize into dust) are actually chunks of steel beams that were being exploded upward and laterally. The nicely-sectioned steel beams and girders were soon ordered by New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani to be trucked away and shipped to China – an order that constitutes disturbing a crime scene – which is a federal crime.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/september-11-2001-the-15th-anniversary-of-the-crime-and-cover-up-of-the-century/5544414

jilles dykstra June 6, 2017 at 3:33 pm GMT

@Quartermaster As if conspiracies do not exist --
Few of them are well documented, but the 1956 GB, France Israel one against Egypt was.
Ben Gurion wanted the conspiracy in writing, the French document was never destroyed.
Helms, former CIA director, in a documentary on the Liberty, BBCW, confirmed the McNamara Israel conspiracy.

Rurik June 6, 2017 at 3:48 pm GMT

@Jake

The WASP Elites will always, ALWAYS, sacrifice the majority of white Christians they rule in order to help Jews.

IDK Jake

it seems to me that the founders of this nation were wholly WASPs, yet had little to do with Jews per se. Benjamin Franklin, a WASP's WASP, purportedly had this to say:

"There is a great danger for the United State of America. This great danger is the Jew. Gentlemen, in every land the Jews have settled, they have depressed the moral level and lowered the degree of commercial honesty. They have remained apart and unassimilated; oppressed, they attempt to strangle the nation financially, as in the case of Portugal and Spain.

For more than seventeen hundred years they have lamented their sorrowful fate - namely, that they have been driven out of their mother land; but, gentlemen, if the civilized world today should give them back Palestine and their property, they would immediately find pressing reason for not returning there. Why? Because they are vampires and vampires cannot live on other vampires –they cannot live among themselves. They must live among Christians and others who do not belong to their race.

If they are not expelled from the United States by the Constitution within less than one hundred years, they will stream into this country in such numbers that they will rule and destroy us and change our form of Government for which we Americans shed our blood and sacrificed our life, property and personal freedom. If the Jews are not excluded within two hundred years, our children will be working in the field to feed Jews while they remain in the counting houses, gleefully rubbing their hands.

I warn you, gentlemen, if you do not exclude the Jews forever, your children and your children's children will curse you in their graves. Their ideas are not those of Americans, even when they lived among us for ten generations. The leopard cannot change his spots. The Jews are a danger to this land, and if they are allowed to enter, they will imperil our institutions. They should be excluded by the Constitution."

if you 'Bing' "benjamin franklin on Jews"

every single page will start with the same Wiki page 'debunking' the speech

every single page

what other issue does Bing consider so important that they will start every page with the same article?

anyways, it seems to me that the early days of this republic had little to do with Jews, other than as slave ship owners and money lenders. I remember how well the local WASPs treated Leo Frank, and it wasn't with kid gloves.

I suspect that the fealty to all things Jewish began with the charter of the Federal Reserve Bank, fully owed by international Jewish bankster$, and that was when all nations either bowed to all things Jewish, or were eventually forced to by relentless wars until they did. Germany being a prime example.

I grew up in a WASP household of sorts, and there was no anti-Semitism for sure, but then there wasn't any Judeophilia either. (no rapture bunnies in my WASPy childhood home, just Easter bunnies ; )

[curious, I 'Binged' the 'protocols of zion'. The first page starts with a Wiki page 'debunking' the Protocols- as you'd expect. But by the second page it's gone. Not so the Franklin speech. Every Bing page on the Franklin speech starts with the Wiki page 'debunking' it]

Eagle Eye June 6, 2017 at 4:25 pm GMT

@Rurik

The WASP Elites will always, ALWAYS, sacrifice the majority of white Christians they rule in order to help Jews.
IDK Jake

it seems to me that the founders of this nation were wholly WASPs, yet had little to do with Jews per se. Benjamin Franklin, a WASP's WASP, purportedly had this to say:

"There is a great danger for the United State of America. This great danger is the Jew. Gentlemen, in every land the Jews have settled, they have depressed the moral level and lowered the degree of commercial honesty. They have remained apart and unassimilated; oppressed, they attempt to strangle the nation financially, as in the case of Portugal and Spain.

For more than seventeen hundred years they have lamented their sorrowful fate - namely, that they have been driven out of their mother land; but, gentlemen, if the civilized world today should give them back Palestine and their property, they would immediately find pressing reason for not returning there. Why? Because they are vampires and vampires cannot live on other vampires --they cannot live among themselves. They must live among Christians and others who do not belong to their race.

If they are not expelled from the United States by the Constitution within less than one hundred years, they will stream into this country in such numbers that they will rule and destroy us and change our form of Government for which we Americans shed our blood and sacrificed our life, property and personal freedom. If the Jews are not excluded within two hundred years, our children will be working in the field to feed Jews while they remain in the counting houses, gleefully rubbing their hands.

I warn you, gentlemen, if you do not exclude the Jews forever, your children and your children's children will curse you in their graves. Their ideas are not those of Americans, even when they lived among us for ten generations. The leopard cannot change his spots. The Jews are a danger to this land, and if they are allowed to enter, they will imperil our institutions. They should be excluded by the Constitution."

if you 'Bing' "benjamin franklin on Jews" every single page will start with the same Wiki page 'debunking' the speech every single page

what other issue does Bing consider so important that they will start every page with the same article? anyways, it seems to me that the early days of this republic had little to do with Jews, other than as slave ship owners and money lenders. I remember how well the local WASPs treated Leo Frank, and it wasn't with kid gloves.

I suspect that the fealty to all things Jewish began with the charter of the Federal Reserve Bank, fully owed by international Jewish bankster$, and that was when all nations either bowed to all things Jewish, or were eventually forced to by relentless wars until they did. Germany being a prime example.

I grew up in a WASP household of sorts, and there was no anti-Semitism for sure, but then there wasn't any Judeophilia either. (no rapture bunnies in my WASPy childhood home, just Easter bunnies ; )

[curious, I 'Binged' the 'protocols of zion'. The first page starts with a Wiki page 'debunking' the Protocols- as you'd expect. But by the second page it's gone. Not so the Franklin speech. Every Bing page on the Franklin speech starts with the Wiki page 'debunking' it]

Benjamin Franklin, a WASP's WASP, purportedly had this to say:

The entire quoted passage is bunk as will be obvious to anyone who has ACTUALLY read political documents from the 18th and 19th century. Real Americans are familiar, for instance, with the Federalist Letters, and with some private correspondence both during the 18th century Revolutionary War and the 19th century Civil War.

In the quoted passage, the reference to "Palestine" is anachronistic – the area was a non-descript Ottoman territory during Franklin's life, part of the Beirut Villayet.

Equally, the word "vampire" is a blatant anachronism. The whole vampire craze only started in the 19th century.

The whole focus on Jews is also bizarre – there were very few Jews in the American colonies during Franklin's lifetime.

Lastly, the diction of the quoted passage is fake 19th century written in the 20th century . Ben Franklin died in 1790.

Styles change. Nobody would mistake a Hank Williams song for a 1980s hit. The quoted passage sounds completely "off" in the same way, only more so.

JoaoAlfaiate June 6, 2017 at 5:54 pm GMT

How did the Zionist enterprise get away with the USS Liberty attack? How did they get away with the burning of the USIS library in Alexandria? And how did their supporters in the media (Ex. Judith Miller, Michael Gordon, etc.) and gov't (Perle, Wolfowitz, Feith, etc.) escape entirely free of blame for ginning up a bunch of bogus info on Saddam's WMD? And now these folks are doing their best to get Uncle Sam to destroy the Assad gov't and take on the Iranians while risking war with Russia.

If you have enough money (Edelson, Saban) to buy Congress and enough control of the MSM, it doesn't matter whether you tell the truth or not. The Israelis could bomb Ceder Rapids, Iowa and half of Congress and most of the MSM would find reasons to justify the attack.

The pen maybe mightier than the sword but the dollar is stronger than both.

truthtellerAryan June 6, 2017 at 8:01 pm GMT

Hi PG, we're "crying crocodile tears", that's what the hasbara claim and are assured by our low lives cuck politicians, even prostitutes sometimes wake up to the pimp's abuse and will do something. We have a museum and a memorial built in our soil to commemorate the hollowfuax that never happened here or doubtfully there. There are hundreds of channels on the idiot box these days, full of all garbage you can think of. On a daily basis there is at least ten shows on different channel that will have something about this hollow-fiction..
Few years ago I read a book by Richard Burton, written in the 19th century. Part of the book talked about Jews in Europe, mainly eastern. He actually warned of "their practices towards the Magyar and Slavs concerning money lending (usury)" that dispossessed a lot of poor farmers of their property and everything that had been accumulated over generations. He went on to say , if these people can find any excuse or support from authority, they will not hesitate to finish off these "jews". His prediction came very close at the beginning of last century.
When USS Liberty was bombed, there was all kinds of excuses (same as the ones we hear to this day, concerning any crime committed by the tribe), but the whore(s) can never go against her pimp master. Have you ever seen any resolution at the United Colonial Nations being voted by U.S. of Israel that condemned actual and real crimes by that " shitty " country?
If we are not gonna get justice committed against us (9/11 included), you think our slave cuckticians will care what happens to others?
We are now fully trained (like robots) to serve the master pimp .. The pimp says attack that country, we do it, kill one of fellow prostitute, we do it. Forced slaves never obeyed like this. Quite phenomenal

Eagle Eye June 6, 2017 at 10:45 pm GMT

@American Shniper Can you imagine the atrocities Israel had our service men and women committing against black and brown people let alone our white brothers and sisters if they can force our government to turn it's back on WHITE service MEN, not white women, WHITE service men?

The men who made this country what it is was murdered by Israeli's with no consequences nor acknowledgement for over 50 years....WOW! And you want to make blacks your enemy? You really don't get it, do you?

Let me spell it out to you: Lyndon B. Johnson wanted a war – any war – for fun and profit.

It is absurd to imagine that the president of the most powerful nation on earth in 1967 would take orders from a barely half-developed country in the Eastern Mediterranean.

Most likely, LBJ expressly ordered Israel to attack the USS Liberty to give himself an excuse to bomb Cairo. Quite possibly, his orders to bomb Cairo were defied by senior military or civilian leaders afraid of provoking WW III, thus necessitating an impromptu cover-up.

Put yourself in the shoes of the Israeli leadership in 1967 – why would they risk massively antagonizing the U.S. in the middle of a risky war? The only reasonable explanations are:

(1) Israel had been ordered by LBJ to sink the USS Liberty (see above). This kind of order would have to have come from LBJ personally, not McNamara, for the Israelis to take on the risk. (Remember the U.S. betrayal of irregular forces at the Bay of Pigs was a recent memory.)

(2) The USS Liberty itself was a major problem for Israel, e.g. because it was passing key intelligence to Egypt and the Arabs.

Given the extensive hush-up operations in the U.S. after the fact, (1) seems much more likely. This would also explain why senior U.S. brass went into overdrive concocting bizarre but coordinated stories to deflect attention from their own shameful involvement in the murder of Americans.

Eagle Eye June 6, 2017 at 10:56 pm GMT

@animalogic The further I learn about this grotesque, criminal incident the further I strongly suspect two things:

1. It was a failed false flag; the purpose of which: to incriminate Egypt. The entire plot relied on the total destruction of the Liberty and it's crew: no ship, no crew, no evidence. (The failed false flag hypothesis at least makes some sense of Israeli motives. Against this view: the Israelis failed, which may be interpreted as evidence that complete destruction was NOT the goal. Also, it might be thought how could the Israelis be SO stupid as to think, given the length of time from observation to concluded attack, that they could "get away with it"? But again, no ship, no crew, no evidence. The rest is denial and bullshit.)

2. Which leads to the 2nd point ( harder to demonstrate ) that the highest level of the US Admin KNEW about this or "a" pending false flag attack by the Israelis. The speed - confidence - with which Macnamara calls off the jets, the well oiled cover up later, all, at least, suggest US foreknowledge. US complicity would also help explain why the Israelis weren't that worried about radio traffic ID'ing their fighters.

On even the bare facts the Liberty incident represented that even 50 years ago, the US government was in (treasonous ) thrall to a foreign power.

On even the bare facts the Liberty incident represented that even 50 years ago, the US government was in (treasonous ) thrall to a foreign power.

With respect, this does not follow at all. The entire world (U.S., UK, France, Israel) treated the Suez Canal as a key geostrategic area. In the 1956/1957 Suez Canal Crisis, the U.S. intervened forcefully against the UK/French/Israeli alliance which had no option but to back down in the face of U.S. opposition.

The U.S. was and is pursuing its own aims. That these aims are often contrary to the interests of 95% of the U.S. population does not change the fact that the power elite are vigorously furthering their own interests.

"Cultural Marxists" love to say that "oppressed" groups have no "agency," i.e. shit just happens to them, they are tossed helplessly in a roiling sea of events.

Is it really a reasonable explanation of observed facts to assume that everything the U.S. does is dictated by a few people in a small, far-away country?

Anonymous June 7, 2017 at 12:44 am GMT

You're right about the wrong use of the word Palestine. In the 18th century Christians called it the Holy Land. Turk pirates and slave traders still roamed the Atlantic and the Mediterranean at the time so the Christian pilgrimages were few and far between till 1830s when France conquered Algeria. The Holy Land was pretty much ignored in Franklins time.

This is just another example of Rurik's "research " by Wikepedia instead of the nearest university library. Even middle school children are told to not rely on wikepedia

Anonymous June 7, 2017 at 3:13 am GMT

@Eagle Eye

On even the bare facts the Liberty incident represented that even 50 years ago, the US government was in (treasonous ) thrall to a foreign power.
With respect, this does not follow at all. The entire world (U.S., UK, France, Israel) treated the Suez Canal as a key geostrategic area. In the 1956/1957 Suez Canal Crisis, the U.S. intervened forcefully against the UK/French/Israeli alliance which had no option but to back down in the face of U.S. opposition.

The U.S. was and is pursuing its own aims. That these aims are often contrary to the interests of 95% of the U.S. population does not change the fact that the power elite are vigorously furthering their own interests.

"Cultural Marxists" love to say that "oppressed" groups have no "agency," i.e. shit just happens to them, they are tossed helplessly in a roiling sea of events.

Is it really a reasonable explanation of observed facts to assume that everything the U.S. does is dictated by a few people in a small, far-away country? The difference between Pres Eisenhower 1956 and LBJ 1967 is that Eisenhower was independent of Jewish power. LBJ was totally owned by Jews in both foreign policy and domestic policy( 1965 immigration act, 1968 affirmative action act, EEOC, funding all sorts of black militant war on poverty programs, on and on).

I don't believe in any of the who killed JFK conspiracy theories, but in terms of who benefits, LBJs anti White domestic policies fulfilled the dreams of every NAACP Jew since 1910.

L.K June 7, 2017 at 4:40 am GMT

@anon

Syria has killed more people in the past 3 years than Israel has in the past 100 years. In fact in October of 1982 alone , Syria killed more people than Israel has in the past 100 years. Talk about a license to kill ........ No, zionist shill, what is taking place in Syria is also a war for Israel;
Zionist agents have been planning this proxy war, going back at least to 2006, according to Assange.

ZUSA and its coalition of rogue states have been fighting a proxy war against Syria through the use of Salafist-Wahhabi extremists from all over the world, posing as Syrian "rebels".

Veteran CIA Ray McGovern, during a cross talk interview on Syria, at 1:14; The Elephant in the room re the reason for ZUSA's regime change policies toward Syria: Israel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd5fuAUM2BM

Former US marine Ken O'Keefe on RT about al-ciada und isis in Syria, etc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-sOnmsWivs

Lot June 7, 2017 at 6:04 am GMT

@Anon

The whole "false flag" thing should be obviously wrong to you all. There is no way Israel ever could have framed Egypt for an attack on a US ship because, like Israel, like every other country then and now, nobody has any incentive to deliberately attack a US ship. Moreover, by the time of the attack, Israel had already won the war, and the USA was already quietly supporting Israel.

And as Dave Pinsen pointed out, if Israel had intended to sink the Liberty, it would have done so quite easily.

LondonBob June 7, 2017 at 9:32 am GMT

@Anonymous

The difference between Pres Eisenhower 1956 and LBJ 1967 is that Eisenhower was independent of Jewish power. LBJ was totally owned by Jews in both foreign policy and domestic policy( 1965 immigration act, 1968 affirmative action act, EEOC, funding all sorts of black militant war on poverty programs, on and on).

I don't believe in any of the who killed JFK conspiracy theories, but in terms of who benefits, LBJs anti White domestic policies fulfilled the dreams of every NAACP Jew since 1910. I think LBJ was more than owned given his ancestry and his very early support and actions going back to Leo Frank and going into the 30s with his support for Jewish immigration. According to historian James M. Smallwood, Congressman Johnson used legal and sometimes illegal methods to smuggle 'hundreds of Jews into Texas, using Galveston as the entry port. Enough money could buy false passports and fake visas in Cuba, Mexico and other Latin American countries . . . Johnson smuggled boatloads and planeloads of Jews into Texas. He hid them in the Texas National Youth Administration . . . Johnson saved at least four or five hundred Jews, possibly more.'

During World War II Johnson attended a small Austin gathering to sell $65,000 in war bonds. According to Gomolak, Johnson and a Jewish friend called Novy then raised a very 'substantial sum for arms for Jewish underground fighters in Palestine.' One source cited by the historian reports that 'Novy and Johnson had been secretly shipping heavy crates labeled 'Texas Grapefruit' – but containing arms – to Jewish underground 'freedom fighters' in Palestine.'

For a description of LBJ's backing for Israel, see Neff's, 'LBJ Was First to Align US with Israel's Policies', in the Washington Report on Middle East, Nov-Dec 1996 p. 96. His affinity for Israel is movingly described by the Senior Editor of the Jewish Press in his article 'LBJ and Israel', 7 Sept 2002.

LBJ's early backing for Israel can be found in the Senate Records, 1957-58, the Eisenhower Library and LBJ's own Presidential Library. After the 1956 Suez debacle, Israel clung on to Gaza and Aquaba, despite demands from both the US and UN to quit. By the spring of 1957, UN Secretary General Dag Hammarskjöld was actively promoting UN sanctions against Israel as an aggressor nation and in defiance of UN Resolutions.

The Israeli plan was scuppered in the US mainly by Senate Leader LBJ, who urged the State Dept. not to support sanctions 'against a small country like Israel' and rallied support in the Senate to block any legislation. (See New York Times of 20 February 1957 and, perhaps significantly, Louis Bloomfield's monograph, 'Egypt, Israel and the Gulf of Aquaba'.)

Like JFK, his predecessor President Eisenhower was no advocate of 'Israel, Right or Wrong'. LBJ and Eisenhower locked horns over Israel when Ike became heavily involved with the crisis over Israeli attempts to annex a Palestinian area around Banat Ya'qub in 1953 in order to divert water from the River Jordan. America stepped in to broker a deal. When the UN observers realised that the Israelis were ignoring their part of the agreement, Ike moved swiftly to revoke tax-deductible status of Jewish-Americans to Zionist organisations in order to force Israel to honour its obligations.

Despite enormous pressure from US Jewish lobby groups, LBJ himself and claims that his policies were 'anti-Semitic', Eisenhower stood firm. When the Israeli government realised that their money supply really was going to dry up, they backed down and Ike restored aid. Full accounts are in the LBJ Library Archive and – from a more objective viewpoint – in the 'jfk montreal' site.

Just one month after succeeding Kennedy, LBJ attended the December 1963 dedication of the Agudas Achim Synagogue in Austin. Novy opened the ceremony by saying Johnson, 'We can't thank him enough for all those Jews he got out of Germany during the days of Hitler.'

NoseytheDuke June 7, 2017 at 9:50 am GMT

@Eagle Eye You really don't get it, do you?

Let me spell it out to you: Lyndon B. Johnson wanted a war - any war - for fun and profit.

It is absurd to imagine that the president of the most powerful nation on earth in 1967 would take orders from a barely half-developed country in the Eastern Mediterranean.

Most likely, LBJ expressly ordered Israel to attack the USS Liberty to give himself an excuse to bomb Cairo. Quite possibly, his orders to bomb Cairo were defied by senior military or civilian leaders afraid of provoking WW III, thus necessitating an impromptu cover-up.

Put yourself in the shoes of the Israeli leadership in 1967 - why would they risk massively antagonizing the U.S. in the middle of a risky war? The only reasonable explanations are:

(1) Israel had been ordered by LBJ to sink the USS Liberty (see above). This kind of order would have to have come from LBJ personally, not McNamara, for the Israelis to take on the risk. (Remember the U.S. betrayal of irregular forces at the Bay of Pigs was a recent memory.)

(2) The USS Liberty itself was a major problem for Israel, e.g. because it was passing key intelligence to Egypt and the Arabs.

Given the extensive hush-up operations in the U.S. after the fact, (1) seems much more likely. This would also explain why senior U.S. brass went into overdrive concocting bizarre but coordinated stories to deflect attention from their own shameful involvement in the murder of Americans. It is absurd to imagine that the president of the most powerful nation on earth in 1967 would take orders from a barely half-developed country in the Eastern Mediterranean.

"Were going to be screening the Zapruder film for you after tonight dinner again Mr President".

anonHUN June 7, 2017 at 11:02 am GMT

@Bragadocious I looked at the casualty list and found a Toth and a Mendle, both of which can be Jewish names....or not. I wonder how the Jews on board felt about this attack. Given the actions of LBJ, it seems the Jew card has definite credit limits -- when you're going against the "Jewish State." Toth is a very common Hungarian surname, it actually means "Slovak". Of course can be a jewish person, but not a typical jewish surname.

Miro23 June 7, 2017 at 10:19 pm GMT

For 2 hours on June 8th 1967 the USA was at war with Israel and the USA won!!

With great skill and courage the crew of the USS Liberty kept their ship afloat and managed to send out a distress signal while under intense attack by Jewish jets and torpedo boats aiming to sink them without a trace.

The Israelis were finally obliged to pull back, and traitor* Johnson had to recall his "retaliation" attack on Egypt and also ensure that the USS Liberty story fast disappeared from circulation, the same as the surviving sailors.

To draw some parallels:

In London on the 5th of November 1605 conspirator Guy Fawkes was arrested guarding explosives placed under the House of Lords with which he and his fellow plotters planned to assassinate King James I.

In thanksgiving for the arrest, Londoners lit bonfires around the city, and the following January just before the plotter's execution , the 5th of November was made a public holiday and came to be known as "Guy Fawkes Night" ("Bonfire Night"), the point being that more than 400 years later the day is still celebrated (barbeques, drinks, bonfires and fireworks) and everyone learns again of the treason of Guy Fawkes.

So, kudos to Americans who light bonfires on "Lyndon Baines Johnson Night" (8th June) to remember his treason and commemorate the heroism of the USS Liberty crew.

* Traitor: Whether Johnson was blackmailed through Israeli knowledge of his part in the Kennedy assassination (Nelson 2011) or because he was their co-conspirator (Collins-Piper 1995) is irrelevant. The fact is that he knew of Operation Cyanide and the coming attack on the ship and collaborated.

RobinG June 7, 2017 at 10:34 pm GMT

@anon

The killings in Syria are being carried out by the minority alawite dictatorship (alawites are 10% of the Syrian poplulation) that siezed power in a coup and has never relinquished it. In one month in 1982 the Syrians killed more people than Israel has in the past 100 years. The killing done by Syria in the past 3 years is 20 X what Israel has done in 100 years. Israel is 100% more responsible than Alawites for casualties in Syria. The shrill and desperate hasbara lies from Tel Aviv's troll army are getting more ugly and more absurd while Israel becomes weaker and more reviled.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/who-is-destroying-syria/
Who Is Destroying Syria?
The Arab Gulf States, Israel, and Turkey all prefer anarchy to Assad
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By Philip Giraldi • May 3, 2017

Rurik June 7, 2017 at 10:36 pm GMT

@Lot So Israel, able to defeat multiple Arab armies and airforces in a matter of days, was only able to kill about 1/5 of the people on an unarmed ship?

This degree of paranoid retardation is kind of fascinating.

So Israel, able to defeat multiple Arab armies and airforces in a matter of days, was only able to kill about 1/5 of the people on an unarmed ship?

the only way Israel could ever survive even one day is with American weapons and expertise, and of course their well documented treachery.

they are notorious cowards and inept soldiers. Why else would they do all they could to get others to do their fighting for them?

why else would Ariel Sharon use Lebanese Phalange militias to slaughter the women and children of Sabra and Shatila? There was the possibility that one of the women or children might have picked up a sharp object or table leg and throttled one of the little Zio-boyz with it. Better to hide from a distance and get others to fight for you, huh?

Hell, even the Israeli government was so appalled at Sharon's brazen cowardice that they charged him with a war crime for that little incident.

Just look at how a few ragtag Hezbollah troops can defeat the entire IDF with a fraction of the weaponry and nearly infinite toys the IDF has courtesy the ZUSA tax payer, but it's all for nothing when the weapons are in the hands of cowards and incompetents.

look at em all huddled down on their bellies with a sniper rifle to shoot children from the roof top

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De8g_LAHh_0

and then if that isn't stomach turning enough, the brave IDF soldier even congratulates his colleague for shooting a child! Wow, what gallantry! What valor!

I'm surprised the IDF got as far as they did with the USS Liberty, since it did have a machine gun on deck and a few of the officers had side arms. And who know if they were able to call for help. In fact, as I understand it, the reason the IDF called off the attack is because they heard that jets were scrambled to assist the Liberty, and they wanted no part of a fair fight. So sure, they tried to sink her with all hands, but endemic cowardice and notorious incompetence saved the day.

Eagle Eye

June 7, 2017 at 11:27 pm GMT 400 Words @Incitatus Anon,

Not necessarily sane or analytical, but here goes:

"...I am not...convinced that it [attack on the Liberty] was an Israeli...decision at the highest level..."

"None of the motives suggested are so compelling...to be accepted..."

Agreed. Conspiracies seem far fetched. Nuking Cairo? False flags? Israeli soldiers sworn to secrecy? LBJ or Macnamara planning involvement? Utter nonsense (my opinion).

That said, this isn't my first USS Liberty rodeo: http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/aipac-is-back-in-town/#new_comments
post #225, #250, #268, #292, #316 (31 Mar - 4 Apr 2017)

As stated there, 'Attack on the Liberty' and James Bamford's 'The Cover-Up' (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/aug/08/israel) differ significantly from the official US and Israeli accounts. Some of Bamford's points:

IDF motive: To attack and sink an Egyptian destroyer steaming at 30 knots after it shelled El Arish.
Bamford: Liberty was easily distinguished from a warship, lacked heavy guns and sprouted spy antenna masts. It was clearly marked (Latin markings, ensigns - sailors hoisted a second large ensign during the attack). It was steaming at 5 knots (top speed well below 30 knots). IDF surveilled Liberty regularly for over six hours prior to the attack, at one point with friendly acknowledgment. Crewman Larry Weaver: "I was actually able to wave to the co-pilot. He waved back and actually smiled at me - I could see him that well. There's no question about it. They had seen the ship's markings and the American flag."

IDF explanation: mistaken identity.
Bamford: IDF prolonged close surveillance (including friendly acknowledgment), followed by communication jamming, cannon fire, machine guns, rockets, napalm, 1000-lb bombs, torpedoes, and strafing life rafts. An attack thus varied and sustained seems unlikely mistaken or authored by mistaken judgment on behalf of the Israeli commanders on site (let alone further up the chain).

Was Israel truly regretful? Let Bamford tell it:

"In the days following the attack, the Israeli government gave the US government a classified report that attempted to justify the claim that the attack was a mistake. On the basis of that same report, an Israeli court of inquiry completely exonerated the government and all those involved. No one was ever court-martialled, reduced in rank or even reprimanded. On the contrary, Israel chose instead to honour motor torpedo boat 203, which fired the deadly torpedo at the Liberty. The ship's wheel and bell were placed on prominent display at the naval museum, among the maritime artefacts of which the Israeli navy was most proud."

War unleashed is rarely rational. The '67 War was an audacious gamble for nascent Israel. Raw memories of Ike's humbling restraint in Suez '56 may have been fresh. Why tolerate loose ends that risk defeat? Trust no one. Better to eliminate all unknowns, anything that imperils success. The universal war code: do all that's necessary to win. Eliminate all unknowns. The rest will sort itself out. And so they did (my uneducated guess).

"surely [it's] time to declassify everything."

Couldn't agree more.

[Anon] " I am not convinced that it [attack on the Liberty] was an Israeli decision at the highest level "

We're all guessing. Hard to believe the coordination of air force and navy wouldn't rise to the highest IDF level, if not higher.

With respect, I suspect the question was meant in a different sense.

Everyone here seems to agree that the Israeli government intentionally ordered the coordinated air-sea attack on the USS Liberty – the attack does not seem to have been an instance of erroneous "friendly fire."

I read the question as asking whether the decision to attack was an Israeli decision in the sense that the idea originated with the Israeli government.

The alternative, of course, would be that LBJ and McNamara ordered Israel to attack and sink the USS Liberty as a pretext to enable the U.S. to launch an attack – possibly nuclear – against Egypt. Under this scenario, the Israeli government would have received the U.S. order and "decided" to implement the U.S. order by issuing instructions to the respective IDF units that carried out the attack.

Remember that we are talking about the same LBJ/McNamara who are KNOWN to have staged the Gulf of Tonkin spectacle (against North Vietnam) in 1964 and the USS Pueblo incident (against North Korea) in 1968.

Two points need to be addressed by any theory seeking to explain what happened:

(1) As I have pointed out many times, radar and radio surveillance technology in 1967 easily enabled the U.S. to identify the source of the coordinated attacks in real time. In addition, U.S. intelligence assets in Egypt and Israel would quickly have advised the U.S. of what actually happened.

This means that the U.S. could not have been hoodwinked, nor would the Israeli government have thought for even a second that they would be able to hoodwink the U.S. leadership. Public statements from both sides may deny this, but the state of technology in 1967 makes any claim of U.S. ignorance laughable.

(2) What did the Israeli government THINK the attack on an intelligence asset operated by their most important de facto ally would achieve?

Again, whatever may have been said in public, the idea that the U.S. leadership would think for even a second that Egypt had attacked the USS Liberty is risible, so this could not have been the intention of the Israeli government unless one posits a sudden outbreak of collective insanity.

RobinG June 8, 2017 at 1:46 am GMT

@alexander You raise a very profound point, Geo.

Why is there an urgent NEED for a "special prosecutor" to investigate the influence of a foreign power on our political system ,when it 's RUSSIA, ......but No NEED whatsoever , when its King BIBI and Israel?

Have any of our MSM outlets ever even broached this subject ?


Is the issue of "influence peddling" only germane when "some countries" are influential...but not OTHERS ?


Who made THIS the law of the land?..Who says it's "just" ?.....and why ? The investigation we need now is the murder of SETH RICH.

The whole "Impeach Trump" campaign is focused on Russian connections and alleged Russian hacking of DNC emails. Whatever anyone thinks of our legally elected President Trump, it is the office of the Presidency that is being fraudulently attacked. The Trump-haters are suppressing any information about the murder of Seth Rich, who may have leaked the DNC emails in question. That would be a leak, not a hack, and it would throw the Dems' corruption case into the toilet.

Demand an investigation.

Appoint a Special Prosecutor to investigate the murder of Seth Rich, the alleged Wikileaks email leaker.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/appoint-special-prosecutor-investigate-murder-seth-rich-alleged-wikileaks-email-leaker

On July 10, 2016, Seth Rich was shot twice in the early morning as he walked back to his house in Washington D.C. Immediately after the crime, the death was called an armed robbery but none of Seth Rich's belongings were taken from him.

Rod Wheeler, a private investigator hired by the family, said that there was evidence Seth Rich had contacted WikiLeaks and that law enforcement were covering this up. MSM is not covering this murder, instead pushing it to the side, so it is now up to us.

The facts do not add up, law enforcement stopped covering the crime, and now it is time for us to fight for justice. Seth Rich deserves this.

anon June 8, 2017 at 1:50 am GMT

@Rurik


Israel controls the world while at the same time being inept cowards.
they don't control the world, but they do control our fecal congress and our media, and the only way they were able to pull that off is because Woodrow Wilson gave them the keys to our Treasury. Trust me "anon", if I had access to trillions of dollars of wealth, that I could lend out to my buddies and force the American tax slave to pay me interest on the money I lent out, and could give my buddies interest free loans and tell them when to short certain markets and have the fecal gov bail me and my buddies out when our casino bets went bad, well then "anon", I can promise you that there'd be some serious changes in the way business was conducted around here.

All the war criminals would find themselves at the Hague but pronto.

all the banksters would be in pound-arse prison for a combined thousands + years

the American people would finally be able to vote on genuine patriots that serve their interests, and not the interests of a criminal foreign rogue state.

so many things would change, if only I owned the Federal Reserve Bank instead of international Jewish supremacists.

I'd return them to the 1948 borders and force them to compensate every single Palestinian for any and all property that the Jews have stolen from the Arabs. I'd force them to pay massive reparations for the myriad and heinous crimes they've committed over the decades.

I'd do so many things "anon". Every single deepstate agent responsible for the USS Liberty would be brought to justice, and hanged by the neck until they stopped dancing. Ditto 9/11.

the media would return to informing the public honestly and entertaining them with art that exalts the human spirit, rather than squalid potty culture.

there's just so many things that would change if only our congress would coin our currency as the Constitution demands, rather than handing that privilege over to the world's greediest banksters and notorious cowards.

yea, when it comes to financial treachery and chicanery, my hat is off to the Jews. They're second to none, and none come close. But in combat, something tells me I'd rather have a German or a Russian at me back. I'd prefer Max or Vlad if I'm going to be in a fight, and not Irving or Moshe so much.

they don't control the world, but they do control our fecal congress and our media,

What about the European governments and media ? They must be controlled by Jews as well.
Surely they are only flooding their own countries with Muslims and provoking the native population not to procreate because of the hand of the Jew ?? And what about Turki and Libya? . Surely they are controlled by Jews as well , as they are the mechanism of flooding Europe with Muslims . Surely the good Muslims of Turki and Libya are not flooding Europe and impending white genocide on their own volition . Surely the Jew must be in control of that evil as well ?? Could inept cowards really pull all of this off so smoothly ??

I'd return them to the 1948 borders and force them to compensate every single Palestinian for any and all property that the Jews have stolen from the Arabs. I'd force them to pay massive reparations for the myriad and heinous crimes they've committed over the decades

Jordan is occupying 78% of Palestine. what would your plans be for them ?
Tell me about the compensation package you would offer to the following countries that all receive US aid :
Sudan -Occupation of Darfur -700,000 killed ; Indonesia – Occupation of Papua -500,000 killed.
Turki-occupation of Kurdistan and Cyprus – 80,000 killed ; Morocco = Occupation of Western Sahara – 40,000 killed ; Entirety of Israel – Palestinian conflict – 23,000 killed

geokat62 June 8, 2017 at 2:30 am GMT

@anon


Because – unlike YOU – he loves America FIRST.
Then he should be most upset with Syria , who was complicit in the marine barracks bombing in Beirut in 1982 . You see that had American casualties of 241 killed. USS Liberty only had casualties of 35 killed. Furthermore the barracks bombing was deliberate murder whereas USS Liberty was a mistake . Also USS Liberty was a very long time ago and nothing of the sort ever happened again from the Israelis. Conversely the Beirut bombing of US marines was more recent.So by every metric , Syria is far worse .

p.s. Your comments screech JEW
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That is superiour to your comments that screech : Loser , social outcast , mentally deranged , dim witted , friendless , mentally sick , obsessed with Jews and totally unhappy .

Then he should be most upset with Syria , who was complicit in the marine barracks bombing in Beirut in 1982 .

Some background info on the incident that resulted in the deaths of hundreds of American troops:

"American Marines, who had been dispatched to Lebanon as peacekeepers to oversee the PLO evacuation but then had departed, hastily returned after the Sabra and Shatila massacres. They were housed in a large warehouse complex near Beirut's airport.

Over the next year, American forces found themselves drawn into the worsening Lebanese civil war. A key moment occurred on Sept. 18, 1983, when Reagan's national security adviser Robert McFarlane*, who was considered a staunch supporter of Israel , ordered U.S. warships to bombard Muslim targets inside Lebanon.

As Gen. Colin Powell, then a top aide to Defense Secretary Weinberger, wrote in his memoir, "When the shells started falling on the Shiites, they assumed the American 'referee' had taken sides." [See Powell's My American Journey.]

Muslim attacks on the Marines in Beirut soon escalated. On Oct. 23, 1983, two Shiite Muslims drove explosives-laden trucks into two buildings in Beirut, one housing French forces and the other the Marines. The blasts killed 241 Americans and 58 French."

https://consortiumnews.com/2016/05/19/how-israel-out-foxed-us-presidents-5/

* Just to underscore how pro-Israel Robert McFarlane is, he was among those who were calling for the release of Jonathan Pollard (in a Feb. 9 letter to President Obama).

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[Jun 07, 2017] Jihad 2.0 the Making of the Next Nightmare by Pepe Escobar

Notable quotes:
"... Jihad 2.0 may be directed against Slavs in Macedonia, against Iran and against Turkey. Not to mention against the Russian underbelly. The invisible angle is that they can always be deployed to jeopardize China's drive to integrate southeast Europe as a key node of the New Silk Roads. ..."
Jun 07, 2017 | www.counterpunch.org
Let's start with 28 EU leaders discussing the Western Balkans at a recent summit and blaming – what else – "Russian aggression" in the EU's backyard.

Cue to a Montenegro prosecutor raging that "Russian state bodies" staged a coup attempt during the October 2016 elections to stop the country from joining NATO.

And cue to President of the European Commission Jean-Claude Juncker warning that Donald Trump's anti-EU rhetoric could lead to war in the Balkans. Juncker, condescending as ever, maintains that, "If we leave them to themselves - Bosnia and Herzegovina, Republika Srpska, Macedonia, Albania, all of these countries - we will have a war again."

The Balkans may be about to explode – all over again. Yet with a twist; unlike 1999, NATO won't get away with bombing a defenseless Belgrade for 78 days. A new generation of Russian missiles would easily prevent it.

The 1999 tragedy in the Balkans was essentially stirred up by fake massacres in Kosovo set up by the BND – German intelligence - using local Albanians and BND agent provocateurs, who shot both sides to stir up a war and break up Yugoslavia.

All Eyes on Albania

What's evolving at the current geopolitical juncture is even murkier.

The usual suspects do what they usually do; blame Russia, and damn any evidence.

So let a knowledgeable insider, Dr. Olsi Jazexhi, director of the Free Media Institute in Tirana, Albania, be our guide.

In December 2016, the CIA's John Brennan went to Albania and issued a fatwa for "war against Russia" – especially in Macedonia.

As Dr. Jazexhi explains , "after Brennan left Edi Rama, Prime Minister of Albania, a close friend of George Soros, gathered all Albanian political parties in Macedonia and ordered them to support Zoran Zaev against Nikola Gruevski. Gruevski is seen as filo-Russian and anti-NATO, while Zaev is a lapdog of Soros. As a result, Gruevski was boycotted by Albanians and Zaev had their support to form a government. The promise of Zaev to Albanians is that Macedonia will adapt Albanian as an official language and create a third (half) Albanian state in the Balkans. Macedonians are resisting, but Tirana and Edi Rama are orchestrating Albanian political parties against Gruevski. The end game is to make Macedonia a NATO member."

Meanwhile, in Kosovo – essentially a nasty narco-Mafioso scam posing as a state and housing Camp Bondsteel, the largest overseas US military base on the planet - Hashim Thaci, the president and former Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) goon, is "building an army for Kosovo. The final aim is to integrate Kosovo into NATO even though Serbia rejects this for its former autonomous province."

Jazexhi also details how, "in Albania, we have two major terrorist organizations being protected by the Americans and the Europeans."

The first is what Ankara describes as the Fetullah Gulen Terror organization (FETO), allegedly instrumentalized by German intelligence; "Turkey is protesting why Albania hosts the FETO group but the Americans host them against Erdogan."

The second is Mojahedin-e Khalq (MKO), which fights against Tehran; "Albania is being turned into the center of MKO. John Bolton was recently in Tirana, with other international supporters of MKO, and they are attacking Iran and calling for regime change."

The MKO's wacky Marjam Rajavi has also visited Tirana, developing plans to "topple the Ayatollahs" in Iran.

The key issue, as Jazexhi emphasizes, is that "after turning the Balkans into a recruiting center for ISIS/Daesh during the Syria war, now the Americans are turning Albania into a jihad 2.0 state."

So what is developing is "the same historical mistake as made by the Albanians of Kosovo, who have 100% linked their future with Camp Bondsteel and would will be instantly re-invaded by Serbia in case NATO or the US leave (which they will, sooner or later, inevitably).

Meanwhile, the European Union and the Americans, who want to de-radicalize the Wahhabi Muslims of Europe, keep mum about the Iranian jihadis."

The "Invisible" Enemy

So the key piece of the puzzle is the configuration of Albania as the center of Jihad 2.0 - against the Slavs in Macedonia, against Tehran, and also against Ankara. No wonder the chief adviser of the Albanian government, until a few months ago, was a certain Tony Blair.

But then there is the "invisible" enemy that really matters.

In late March, Serbian President Tomislav Nikolic went to Beijing in his last official visit before the April 2 elections. Chinese President Xi Jinping stressed that economic cooperation with Serbia – and the Balkans at large – is a priority for China.

No question. In 2014, Beijing created a fund that will invest 10 billion euros in Central and Eastern Europe. Last year, China Everbright bought Tirana's airport in Albania. China Exim Bank is financing highway construction in both Macedonia and Montenegro.

In Serbia, China Road and Bridge Corporation built the 170 million euro Pupin bridge over the Danube in Belgrade – a.k.a. the "Sino-Serbian Friendship Bridge", inaugurated in 2014 and 85% financed by a China Exim Bank loan.

And the cherry in the (infrastructure development) cake is the 350 km, $2.89 billion high-speed rail line between Athens and Budapest, via Macedonia and Belgrade.

The EU has set off alarm bells on the flagship $1.8 billion Budapest-Belgrade stretch, investigating whether the Hungarian section violated strict EU laws according to which public tenders are a must for large transportation projects.

Inbuilt is the proverbial Western haughtiness, ruling that the Chinese could not possibly be capable of building high-speed rail infrastructure as well if not better – and for a lower cost – than in Europe.

Budapest-Belgrade happens to be the crucial stretch of the Land Sea Express Route that Beijing pledged to build, way back in 2014, with Hungary, Serbia and Macedonia. That's the crux of the Southeastern Europe node of the New Silk Roads, now Belt and Road Initiative (BRI); a trade corridor between the container port of Pireus, in the Mediterranean – co-owned by China Ocean Shipping Company since 2010 – all the way to Central Europe.

NATO's official spin is that it must be planted in the Balkans to fight the "threat of terrorism." According to NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg, "I recently visited Bosnia Herzegovina and Kosovo, and I'm encouraged to see how focused they are on countering the threat of foreign fighters."

Well, the "foreign fighters" happen to be right at home, not only in Kosovo but soon in Albania, the capital of Jihad 2.0. NATO after all excels in creating emerging "threats" that are essential to justify its existence.

Jihad 2.0 may be directed against Slavs in Macedonia, against Iran and against Turkey. Not to mention against the Russian underbelly. The invisible angle is that they can always be deployed to jeopardize China's drive to integrate southeast Europe as a key node of the New Silk Roads.

Pepe Escobar is the author of Globalistan: How the Globalized World is Dissolving into Liquid War (Nimble Books, 2007), Red Zone Blues: a snapshot of Baghdad during the surge and Obama does Globalistan (Nimble Books, 2009). His latest book is Empire of Chaos . He may be reached at pepeasia@yahoo.com .

[Jun 04, 2017] US Liberty incident

Notable quotes:
"... But a lot of people have speculated that the USS Liberty was sent by the Johnson regime to get sunk by Israel and be used as a false flag to take America into war against Egypt. ..."
"... We already know for a fact that jets were scrambled to assist the USS Liberty and were called back and ordered not to assist by Johnson through Secretary of State McNamara. And not once, but twice. ..."
"... So obviously Johnson wanted her sunk. Whether or not the ship was sent there for that purpose, or whether Johnson simply decided to let the Israelis sink her once he heard about it, we'll likely never know. ..."
"... Tourney says Johnson told Tully: "I don't give a [expletive] if that ship goes to the bottom and every sailor is lost. We will not embarrass our ally, Israel." ..."
Jun 04, 2017 | www.unz.com

Eagle Eye , May 24, 2017 at 12:07 am GMT

@Rurik if you (and Annamaria) don't mind, I'll address this..

What was the U.S. Liberty doing in the Red Sea in 1967?
there was a war going on between a US ally and a nation of strategic importance to the US- Israel and Egypt. The USS Liberty was a NSA intelligence ship. It was there to monitor what was going on. Duh.

explain how exactly the USS Liberty's presence was supposed to assist the "sovereignty" of Cis-Jordan (i.e. the current sovereign state of Israel).

unless you an admiral in the US Navy at the time, no one knows for sure. But a lot of people have speculated that the USS Liberty was sent by the Johnson regime to get sunk by Israel and be used as a false flag to take America into war against Egypt.

We already know for a fact that jets were scrambled to assist the USS Liberty and were called back and ordered not to assist by Johnson through Secretary of State McNamara. And not once, but twice.

So obviously Johnson wanted her sunk. Whether or not the ship was sent there for that purpose, or whether Johnson simply decided to let the Israelis sink her once he heard about it, we'll likely never know.

Hope that helps eagle

So obviously Johnson wanted her sunk. Whether or not the ship was sent there for that purpose, or whether Johnson simply decided to let the Israelis sink her once he heard about it, we'll likely never know.

This interpretation is at least internally consistent. It is also consistent with my earlier observation that nobody could seriously claim that the U.S. was ACTUALLY DECEIVED for even a split second about who launched the attack.

Putting the known factors together, we are left with two viable hypotheses as to the Israelis' reason for sinking the USS Liberty:

(1) To eliminate a mortal threat to Israel's national security in a time of war, e.g. because the USS Liberty was feeding intelligence information to Egypt and the Arabs.

(2) As an intentional false flag operation, with express (or at least hinted) support from the Pentagon for the purpose of publicly "justifying" a U.S. war against Egypt. This would necessarily mean that the sailors and staff on the USS Liberty were intentionally betrayed and sacrificed by Johnson and McNamara.

In either case, the Israeli leadership would have been painfully aware that it could NOT mislead the U.S. as to its authorship of the attack, whatever the Pentagon or Israel might later say in public later.

CanSpeccy , Website May 24, 2017 at 12:39 am GMT

@Rurik if you (and Annamaria) don't mind, I'll address this..

Hope that helps eagle A graphic account here by US naval veteran and survivor, Phil Tourney :

"Jet aircrafts came in firing and strafing our ship," he said. "Within minutes they took out hundreds of antennae and all of our .450-caliber machine guns. We were defenseless."

But all those aboard were not without hope. Utilizing true American ingenuity and never giving up their fighting spirit, Tourney described a miraculous effort.

"About half-an-hour into the attack," he said, "one of our men stretched a long wire so that we could transmit a message to the Sixth Fleet: 'Under Attack by Unmarked Fighters. Send Help.' A number of ships received this SOS, and soon Capt. Joseph Tully of the USS Saratoga ordered planes to rescue us."

However, in an act that goes well beyond betrayal into the realm of full-fledged treason, Tourney laid out how Liberty became a ship without a country.

"Defense Secretary Robert McNamara contacted the Saratoga and recalled the fighters, telling them not to aid our ship," he said. "But, showing true courage, Tully re-launched the jets, without authorization . . . After the second set of fighter jets were dispatched, the president of the United States-Lyndon Johnson-personally recalled them," said Tourney.

Tourney says Johnson told Tully: "I don't give a [expletive] if that ship goes to the bottom and every sailor is lost. We will not embarrass our ally, Israel."

A day or two later as Liberty limped toward a port in Malta, Adm. Isaac Kidd assembled the survivors in small groups and, after removing his stars, demanded to know what occurred.

After learning the truth, a red-faced Kidd pinned his stars back on his uniform and said, "If any of you ever repeat a word, I'll make sure you end up in the penitentiary, or worse," Tourney said.

[May 23, 2017] The speed of explanation might well be a useful False Flag indicator. For a False Flag to work, it cant have alternative perpetrators or confusion as to who did what. The story has to be presented fully formed and at high volume right from the start

Notable quotes:
"... nowadays my default position is to assume it's a false flag/hoax and wait for the Grassy Knollers to arrive and dismantle the narrative. ..."
"... I've also come to the understanding that the most salient point of these events is the exploitation that now inevitably follows. The manner, method, and speed with which the soon-to-follow attempt at exploitation propagates is more interesting than the actual event. ..."
May 23, 2017 | www.unz.com

Miro23 , May 23, 2017 at 6:25 am GMT

@Erebus WND has a good update on developments, even though it is "according to a WND source close to the situation."...
http://www.wnd.com/2017/05/bar-manager-cops-never-talked-with-staff-about-night-seth-rich-died/

The frustration in trying to figure out what is going on is that the world is now full of "sound and fury" signifying, not nothing but the frantic efforts by competing factions to control narratives. The noise is everywhere, all the time, and reading 30k words of crap to glean 1k words of plausibility requires an ongoing investment that's difficult to maintain. So, I've taken a different tack...

Take the Manchester bomb last night. Too early, and too little info for me to come to any sort of conclusion, but nowadays my default position is to assume it's a false flag/hoax and wait for the Grassy Knollers to arrive and dismantle the narrative. Right or wrong, they provide an invaluable yeoman's service in ferreting out what really happened.

I've also come to the understanding that the most salient point of these events is the exploitation that now inevitably follows. The manner, method, and speed with which the soon-to-follow attempt at exploitation propagates is more interesting than the actual event. It's the "Why?" behind the "How?". So, I'll wait to see whether the West should "Bomb Iran/Syria/Yemen!", or if "The Russians did it!" after all. Maybe it was the "Brexit" supporters, or the "Bremains". I don't know at this point, but it will clear up soon. 19-20 dead, so this is big enough to set the stage for somebody's meme.

Apropos the Seth Rich/email saga...

I was excitedly directed to a poster who appeared on 4Chan recently, claiming to be the ER surgeon on duty when Rich was brought in. The poster says the wounds were not life threatening, gives some details of his/her treatment of Rich's routine abdominal gunshot wounds, and weaves a coherent, professional sounding narrative about hospital routines and their disruption by Law Enforcement. All quite plausible, except for the fact that his/her timeline makes no sense, and contradicts what is officially known. Also, (s)he'd be trivial to identify, so why bother with anonymity? IOW, probably a provocation, so I wasted half an hour finding and reading it.

[Apr 22, 2017] This is one of the best articles I have read about Septemeber 11 attack. No hysterics, just facts. the classic controlled demolition style of WTC7's collapse is one of them

Apr 22, 2017 | www.unz.com

Timur The Lame , April 9, 2017 at 11:36 am GMT \n

100 Words @ Carlton Meyer,

I was peripherally displayed on 60 minutes some 20 years ago. I spent an hour chatting with Mike Wallace. I liked him. He obviously had an marching orders but seemed apologetic in demeanor. In hindsight I realized that he knew that he was a whore when pursuing political or historical issues. My comportment and wit was brilliant ( sorry for the self praise) but of the hour that was filmed they cropped out a 5 second segment that fit their agenda. I was shocked when the segment aired but I was also relatively naive at the time. In other words they were already neutered then.

As an aside, when referencing the issues with respect to WTC 7 I always referred to it as a 47 story building. Mr. Dinh now reveals that it was a 52 story building. I feel foolish.

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Vires , April 9, 2017 at 11:53 am GMT \n
400 Words Spot on Mr. Lihn, we have to distinguish between the majority of Jews, the decent and intellectually honest ones, most of them manipulated, afraid to lose their jobs and used like the rest of us, and the intellectually dishonest, sociopathic Jew supremacist shill ones (and their non-Jewish stooges, accomplices and enforcers), the Chomskies, Rumsfelds, Rotschilds, Warburgs, Rockefellers, Wilsons, Roosevelts, Churchills, Cheneys, Rubios, Clintons, Bushes, Kagans, Kristols, Wolfowitzs, Foxmans, Shermans, Incitatuses, Dissidents, Corvinuses, Iffies and the Sam the Shams of the world.

We love the decent, intellectually honest and loyal to the countries they live in ones, David Coles, Gilad Atzmons, Arno J. Mayers, Marcus Alethias and Ron Unzs of the world, we are in the same boat with them and we need them to speak up and join us.

And if some of us do not, we are just playing in the hands of the Zionists, being distrustful of all Jews and becoming Jew haters we also become their useful idiots, because the more we hate them, the likelier they are to migrate to Israel, and that is and always has been the central goal of Zionism, and that is the reason why they expect and applaud when some of us go full anti-semite, and also the reason that explains the trolling here in the comments by the Zionist shills, trying to frame bloggers and commenters as anti-semites, so the casual reader who is still on the fence on the Jewish Lobby issue dismisses the whole publication as "Jew-hater" and"Anti-semitic"

That is also the main reason Jewish movers and shakers are pushing for more immigration, the closer to Mexico the US becomes and the closer to Pakistan and Algeria Europe becomes, the more European and American Jews will go back to Israel, that is the central goal of Zionism.

The gathering of the exiles in the land of Israel, became the core idea of the Zionist Movement[1] and the core idea of Israel's Scroll of Independence[2] (Megilat Ha'atzmaut[3]), embodied by the idea of going up, Aliyah, since the Holy Land is considered to be spiritually higher than all other land.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gathering_of_Israel

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Santoculto , April 9, 2017 at 12:02 pm GMT \n
Hbd liars in only one twitt

https://mobile.twitter.com/hbdchick/status/851005493392941056?p=v

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Sherman , April 9, 2017 at 12:46 pm GMT \n
Here's another article about Christopher Bollyn and Rudy Dent and the losers and misfits they appeal to:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/09/10/jew-hater-christopher-bollyn-brings-9-11-false-flag-act-to-the-brooklyn-commons.html Read More

jacques sheete , April 9, 2017 at 1:06 pm GMT \n
200 Words This is one of the best articles I've read on UR, and that's saying a lot. No hysterics, just facts.

The question of the century.:

So who are you going to believe? Are you going to believe a bunch of government bureaucrats, or my fellow brothers

Warning of ages.:

Foolish Credulity

Why is it that, though deceived again and again by the same things and persons, we are unable to abandon our blind folly?

For this particular kind of fraud has often been committed before now, and by many. That other men should allow themselves to be taken in is perhaps not astonishing; but it is [astonishing]that those should do so who are the authors and origin of the same kind of malpractice.

But I suppose the cause is the absence of that rule so happily expressed by Epicharmus:

"Cool head and wise mistrust are wisdom's sinews. " . . .

- Polybius, Histories.18.40 Composed ~200BC, Translated by Evelyn S. Shuckburgh. translator. London, New York. Macmillan. 1889. Reprint Bloomington 1962.

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.01.0234:book=18:chapter=40&highlight=epicharmus

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Renoman , April 9, 2017 at 2:02 pm GMT \n
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Anonymouse , April 9, 2017 at 2:23 pm GMT \n
100 Words Doesn't the mysterious collapse of Building 7 suggest no conspiracy. As the building was empty undergoing a rebuild, what would be the point of destroying it?

From the Zionists making Pearl Harbor happen to their race being the maleficient agent directing all of human history is not that much of a leap. In sober historical fact, Zionists in 1941 in Palestine under the English mandate were not remotely in a position of power. Had they the power, they might have saved their compatriots in Europe by orchestrating massive emigration, which in fact was not permitted by the sovereign nations that might have accepted them. Of course, you can always factor in that inconvenient fact into the conspiracy theory. Read More

jacques sheete , April 9, 2017 at 2:23 pm GMT \n
@Sherman Here's another article about Christopher Bollyn and Rudy Dent and the losers and misfits they appeal to:


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/09/10/jew-hater-christopher-bollyn-brings-9-11-false-flag-act-to-the-brooklyn-commons.html

Here's another article

You call that credible?

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dninmore , April 9, 2017 at 2:24 pm GMT \n
Typical response from a Hasbara. No supporting evidence to refute the facts, so you go to ad hominem. Read More
dninmore , April 9, 2017 at 2:26 pm GMT \n
@Shouting Thomas You're using Louis Farrakhan as a go to source?

You just trashed yourself. Why? The truth is the truth, regardless of who the speaker is. Read More Agree: jacques sheete Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments

dninmore , April 9, 2017 at 3:38 pm GMT \n
@Anonymouse Doesn't the mysterious collapse of Building 7 suggest no conspiracy. As the building was empty undergoing a rebuild, what would be the point of destroying it?

From the Zionists making Pearl Harbor happen to their race being the maleficient agent directing all of human history is not that much of a leap. In sober historical fact, Zionists in 1941 in Palestine under the English mandate were not remotely in a position of power. Had they the power, they might have saved their compatriots in Europe by orchestrating massive emigration, which in fact was not permitted by the sovereign nations that might have accepted them. Of course, you can always factor in that inconvenient fact into the conspiracy theory. Interesting that you state, "Had they the power, they might have saved their compatriots in Europe by orchestrating massive emigration", and ignore the truth which is that was exactly what they did. You need to do more research, unless you prefer to spout the Zio-propaganda. Read More

Agent76 , April 9, 2017 at 4:10 pm GMT \n
100 Words May 25, 2014 FDNY 9/11 Survivor Witness and Whistleblower Speaks on WTC 7

Listen very carefully starting at the '20′ second mark! As a firefighter on 9/11, he was at Ground Zero and was there when Building 7 came down.

September 11, 2016 Al Qaeda: The Data Base

Shortly before his untimely death, former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook told the House of Commons that "Al Qaeda" is not really a terrorist group but a database of international mujaheddin and arms smugglers used by the CIA and Saudis to funnel guerrillas, arms, and money into Soviet-occupied Afghanistan.

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Vires , April 9, 2017 at 4:13 pm GMT \n
100 Words @Sherman Here's another article about Christopher Bollyn and Rudy Dent and the losers and misfits they appeal to:


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/09/10/jew-hater-christopher-bollyn-brings-9-11-false-flag-act-to-the-brooklyn-commons.html And here you are, Goy-hater Zionist shill, right on time to disqualify the sources and the blogger by association as "Jew-haters" for publishing the story.

Sociopathic Jews like you are the ones we hate, always ready to troll, agitate and favour the Zionist agenda with obvious Jewish names so we end up distrusting all Jews, disqualify bloggers and commenters as "Jew-haters" "anti-semites" and do whatever necessary to achieve the Zionist goals without giving a damn about us Europeans and Americans.

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Agent76 , April 9, 2017 at 4:19 pm GMT \n
100 Words Sep 5, 2016 9/11 Suspects: Rudy Giuliani

Mayor Giuliani oversaw the illegal destruction of the 9/11 crime scene and is criminally liable for the deaths of hundreds of emergency workers for not passing on prior warnings about the collapses of the Twin Towers. It is no wonder, then, that the Fire Department of New York so passionately detest Giuliani for his actions in disgracing their fallen brothers and covering up the 9/11 crime.

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jacques sheete , April 9, 2017 at 4:25 pm GMT \n
100 Words @dninmore Interesting that you state, "Had they the power, they might have saved their compatriots in Europe by orchestrating massive emigration", and ignore the truth which is that was exactly what they did. You need to do more research, unless you prefer to spout the Zio-propaganda. Every one of the claims is likewise easily refutable. Pretty lame, all of it.

E.g., this.:

As the building was empty undergoing a rebuild, what would be the point of destroying it?

Who said it was undergoing a rebuild? Maybe it was undergoing a demolition wiring instead. Besides, even if it were initially undergoing a true rebuild, so what? Plans change. Could it be a convenient cover, diversion, perhaps? Collect insurance payouts?

Furthermore, if I were in the name-calling mode like Sherm, (but I'm not ), I'd say the true believers of the "official" narrative are saps and gulls. Read More

Wolfred , April 9, 2017 at 4:30 pm GMT \n
I used to have respect for you Linh Dinh, but no more.

You have just outed yourself as just another wacko nutjob. Read More

unit472 , April 9, 2017 at 4:38 pm GMT \n
200 Words I tend to believe my lying eyes and not deranged fanatics. Highrise buildings have not collapsed due to fire because they are not struck by fuel laden projectiles moving at 500 mph and weighing 250 tons. They also have firemen who are still alive and working fire suppression systems trying to put the fire out. All of that fire fighting capability disappeared on 9/11. The structural damage alone from the aircraft impact likely doomed both towers even in the absence of fires. NYPD helicopter pilots reported the top of towers were leaning long before they collapsed owing to the exterior steel walls being the main structural steel support in modern skyscrapers unlike the internal steel boxes used in older skyscrapers that required more steel to be used and limited floor space.

Building 7 is harder to explain but it had been hit with multiton steel beams moving at high speed from the collapse of the twin towers. These would have ripped apart electrical systems and caused fires. As building 7 was the site of the NYC Emergency operations center thousands of gallons of diesel fuel was stored in the building to operate generators and once fire personel were withdrawn nothing was left to prevent fire from reaching those generators and fuel supplies. Read More

Amanda , April 9, 2017 at 4:39 pm GMT \n
100 Words Article mentioned Rothschilds instigating, orchestrating, and profiting from WW2 and I also wanted to add what loyal American Jew, Benjamin Freedman had to say about WW1 and WW2 (he ought to know b/c he was the right hand man of Bernard Baruch, Rothschild front-man, basically the Soros of yesterday.

Benjamin Freedman's 1961 Speech at the Willard Hotel (Complete)

Benjamin H. Freedman's excellent speech on how World War One (and Two) really started and why the U.S. was eventually drawn in. Read More

dninmore , April 9, 2017 at 5:02 pm GMT \n
@jacques sheete Every one of the claims is likewise easily refutable. Pretty lame, all of it.

E.g., this.:


As the building was empty undergoing a rebuild, what would be the point of destroying it?
Who said it was undergoing a rebuild? Maybe it was undergoing a demolition wiring instead. Besides, even if it were initially undergoing a true rebuild, so what? Plans change. Could it be a convenient cover, diversion, perhaps? Collect insurance payouts?

Furthermore, if I were in the name-calling mode like Sherm, (but I'm not...), I'd say the true believers of the "official" narrative are saps and gulls. In 12 years of research, I've never heard of a whole building renovation. More disinformation. Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments

dninmore , April 9, 2017 at 5:03 pm GMT \n
@Wolfred I used to have respect for you Linh Dinh, but no more.

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jacques sheete , April 9, 2017 at 5:10 pm GMT \n
@unit472 I tend to believe my lying eyes and not deranged fanatics. Highrise buildings have not collapsed due to fire because they are not struck by fuel laden projectiles moving at 500 mph and weighing 250 tons. They also have firemen who are still alive and working fire suppression systems trying to put the fire out. All of that fire fighting capability disappeared on 9/11. The structural damage alone from the aircraft impact likely doomed both towers even in the absence of fires. NYPD helicopter pilots reported the top of towers were leaning long before they collapsed owing to the exterior steel walls being the main structural steel support in modern skyscrapers unlike the internal steel boxes used in older skyscrapers that required more steel to be used and limited floor space.

Building 7 is harder to explain but it had been hit with multiton steel beams moving at high speed from the collapse of the twin towers. These would have ripped apart electrical systems and caused fires. As building 7 was the site of the NYC Emergency operations center thousands of gallons of diesel fuel was stored in the building to operate generators and once fire personel were withdrawn nothing was left to prevent fire from reaching those generators and fuel supplies.

Building 7 is harder to explain

As in harder to lie about?

Does the command, "Pull it" mean anything to the true believers? Or how about the idea that it was reported collapsing even before it did?

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dninmore , April 9, 2017 at 5:16 pm GMT \n
@unit472 I tend to believe my lying eyes and not deranged fanatics. Highrise buildings have not collapsed due to fire because they are not struck by fuel laden projectiles moving at 500 mph and weighing 250 tons. They also have firemen who are still alive and working fire suppression systems trying to put the fire out. All of that fire fighting capability disappeared on 9/11. The structural damage alone from the aircraft impact likely doomed both towers even in the absence of fires. NYPD helicopter pilots reported the top of towers were leaning long before they collapsed owing to the exterior steel walls being the main structural steel support in modern skyscrapers unlike the internal steel boxes used in older skyscrapers that required more steel to be used and limited floor space.

Building 7 is harder to explain but it had been hit with multiton steel beams moving at high speed from the collapse of the twin towers. These would have ripped apart electrical systems and caused fires. As building 7 was the site of the NYC Emergency operations center thousands of gallons of diesel fuel was stored in the building to operate generators and once fire personel were withdrawn nothing was left to prevent fire from reaching those generators and fuel supplies. Fires can't bring down steel superstructures. It's physically impossible. Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments

Amanda , April 9, 2017 at 5:48 pm GMT \n
300 Words Also, fwiw, I first learned about Benjamin Freedman from the site http://www.iamthewitness.com , which was basically a site dedicated to researching Zionism. The site was run by an American living in France, and he unfortunately had to shut the site down due to concerns about French laws against free speech. Anyway, for now, there is a mirror site here https://archive.is/UNAqf (not sure how long the mirror will be up, but it would be a shame to lose the info at that site)

Anyone interested in hidden history might want to go through the archives on that site, especially the books. Daryl was able to find some interesting books on hidden/suppressed history, and was able to get them converted so they could be read online. IMO, there are tons of books there worth downloading and reading. A few that stood out to me included the books by Archibald Maule Ramsey, George Armstrong, Executive Intelligence Review (The Ugly Truth about the ADL), Nesta Webster, and Jack Bernstein. Also, fwiw, in one of the books by Bernstein (not sure when it was written but I think decades before 911), he wrote about how at some point the Zionists would drag the US into a huge war in the Middle East and then the Zionist bankers would collapse the economy.

The audios also have good info, but there aren't any summaries of the topics discussed. I recall the audios w/David Pidcock being especially informative (especially the early ones from '06). Pidcock also liked to dig into the history and found some interesting info. I remember one book he talked about was called Propaganda in the Next War, and I guess it was written by British Establishment types, and it was all about how to drag the US into war. Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments

nsa , April 9, 2017 at 6:00 pm GMT \n
Anyone see the hilarious picture of General (((Kushner))) in Iraq with his pencil neck sticking out of a bulky flak jacket looking like a tortoise walking erect. Even the jooies must want to disown this vile embarrassment ..only thing missing was a dukakis tank helmet and a BB gun. Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments
Dave337 , April 9, 2017 at 6:13 pm GMT \n
@unit472 I tend to believe my lying eyes and not deranged fanatics. Highrise buildings have not collapsed due to fire because they are not struck by fuel laden projectiles moving at 500 mph and weighing 250 tons. They also have firemen who are still alive and working fire suppression systems trying to put the fire out. All of that fire fighting capability disappeared on 9/11. The structural damage alone from the aircraft impact likely doomed both towers even in the absence of fires. NYPD helicopter pilots reported the top of towers were leaning long before they collapsed owing to the exterior steel walls being the main structural steel support in modern skyscrapers unlike the internal steel boxes used in older skyscrapers that required more steel to be used and limited floor space.

Building 7 is harder to explain but it had been hit with multiton steel beams moving at high speed from the collapse of the twin towers. These would have ripped apart electrical systems and caused fires. As building 7 was the site of the NYC Emergency operations center thousands of gallons of diesel fuel was stored in the building to operate generators and once fire personel were withdrawn nothing was left to prevent fire from reaching those generators and fuel supplies. I'd agree with that but I still don't quite get the lack of plane wreckage at the Pentagon. Of course conspiracy theorists always have an explanation, which may be part of the conspiracy too. Read More

Anonymouse , April 9, 2017 at 6:44 pm GMT \n
300 Words @dninmore Interesting that you state, "Had they the power, they might have saved their compatriots in Europe by orchestrating massive emigration", and ignore the truth which is that was exactly what they did. You need to do more research, unless you prefer to spout the Zio-propaganda. In 1945 I was eleven. The newspapers printed pics of the concentration survivors of the extermination camps liberated by USArmy troups. This was Brooklyn. No Zionist compatriots arrived during the war. After the war, there was a flood of camp survivors who made it to the US. Humble anecdote to establish my claim. I looked up our last name in the Brooklyn phone book back then. There were 3 of that name, my father, my uncle and a third unknown to me. Now were you to look at the Brooklyn phone book as of the last time it was printed and distributed, an enormous number of that last name appears. Proving my claim that there was NO sizeable Jewish immigrants during WW II because the allied sovereign nations wouldn't let them in. Fast forward to 2017 and above and below this comment, one may read the comments of well-meaning folks who know better. Am I part of the conspiracy? I just go on what I know by observation and the perusal of more or less mainstream news sources, US, English, French, Israeli, German. I've done that for a very long time and it seems reasonable to me to believe that I have as a good a sense of recent world history as is practically possible. If the truth is that the Zionists saved their compatriots from Hitler by having their puppets, the US and GB, let them in, then why didn't they show up in Brooklyn during the war where you might expect them to go, and did show up in sizeable numbers AFTER the war was over? Read More
Truth , April 9, 2017 at 7:02 pm GMT \n
@NoseytheDuke Linh Dinh, this is surely your best piece in ages, if not ever. Well done. Rudy Dent truly loves America and America should love him for that. I second Dinh! And in honor of your hosts for this landmarking event; "Youze an O.G N-!" Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
Truth , April 9, 2017 at 7:06 pm GMT \n
@Dave337 I'd agree with that but I still don't quite get the lack of plane wreckage at the Pentagon. Of course conspiracy theorists always have an explanation, which may be part of the conspiracy too. I'd agree with that but I still don't quite get the lack of plane wreckage at the Pentagon.

LOL; what is there not to get; IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

I'm still waiting to see ONE photo of airplane wreckage on the pentagon lawn. Read More

Anonymous33 , April 9, 2017 at 7:24 pm GMT \n
200 Words The real debate of the moment is whether Assad "did or didn'". The news is tellin' us he did, the alter-news says well maybe he didn'. Back n' forth it goes, like a little gerbil wheel for your mind. Maybe melting steel caused the gas release? What's for dinner?

The media works as one, developing your rodent like response to ignore the forest for the trees and focus on your next food pellet. So it is with the great sporting event of the 9/11, back n' forth, easy to digest, processed just for you.

Dinh might be a nice guy and believe in what he does, but he's just another narcotics courier, delivering thoughts and ideas that so many of his kind are trained to do, that serve to disable people more effectively than any overt real weapon. Getting any reaction is valuable, the best artists are widely hated, and they love that hate, but I'd say your real enemies (readers) are the ones you least suspect.

They'll call you terrorists, as Chris Hedges is increasingly doing to the people that read his output! Sound familiar? Linh Dinh's "violence" comes from his pen. He openly mocks his own neighbors, you love that hate, and even when he mocks you you'll still believe he offers the "truth" and hang on to every word. Ignore the forest for the trees at your own perile, but the bad guys are the ones you trust. Read More Troll: utu

dninmore , April 9, 2017 at 7:33 pm GMT \n
300 Words @Anonymouse In 1945 I was eleven. The newspapers printed pics of the concentration survivors of the extermination camps liberated by USArmy troups. This was Brooklyn. No Zionist compatriots arrived during the war. After the war, there was a flood of camp survivors who made it to the US. Humble anecdote to establish my claim. I looked up our last name in the Brooklyn phone book back then. There were 3 of that name, my father, my uncle and a third unknown to me. Now were you to look at the Brooklyn phone book as of the last time it was printed and distributed, an enormous number of that last name appears. Proving my claim that there was NO sizeable Jewish immigrants during WW II because the allied sovereign nations wouldn't let them in. Fast forward to 2017 and above and below this comment, one may read the comments of well-meaning folks who know better. Am I part of the conspiracy? I just go on what I know by observation and the perusal of more or less mainstream news sources, US, English, French, Israeli, German. I've done that for a very long time and it seems reasonable to me to believe that I have as a good a sense of recent world history as is practically possible. If the truth is that the Zionists saved their compatriots from Hitler by having their puppets, the US and GB, let them in, then why didn't they show up in Brooklyn during the war where you might expect them to go, and did show up in sizeable numbers AFTER the war was over? This answer is simple. The Zionists were sending their "compatriots" – by force – to Palestine to populate their new illegitimate state – which is now a rogue, Apartheid one. The whole point of Zionism was to take over the world (their words, not mine), create a Jewish state in Palestine (not their first or second choice, btw), by butchering the native population – ethnic cleansing – to create the center for their NWO. They were even happy to blow up about 2,000 of their "compatriots" in a false flag on the ship Patria docked in port at Haifa to blame on the Brits – typical, yes? I'm sure you've heard of their policy to strip Jewish orphans from their European homes – at gun-point – to bring them to Palestine for the soon-to-be IDF model of violent indoctrination of their youth against Palestinians.

It's true Americans, and most of the world, wanted nothing to do with the parasitic Zionists. The fact that they were able to create both WWI and II, the UN, get their resolution passed and invade Palestine is a testament to how high they had infiltrated the US and GB governments. Of course, it helps when you have Chief SC Justice Brandeis and Franfurter, legislating from the court on behalf of the Zionists and all of the resources of the Rothchild gangsters.

Currently, 90% of the most powerful individuals in the US government, media and banks are Ashkenazy Jews – yet are only 2% of the US population and Ashkenazy are only 4% of that. Think about it.

As far as "extermination camps" go, the only ones I'm aware of (WWII) were created after the war by Eisenhower to finish what the Allies had begun. The only true "Holocaust" (destruction or slaughter on a mass scale, especially caused by fire or nuclear war), was caused by the Allies on the German people in the horrific, unstoppable bombardments of phosphorous all over that country. These facts are never shown in the media, history education or Hollywood. I wonder why that is? Read More

Agent76 , April 9, 2017 at 7:49 pm GMT \n
100 Words Sep 11, 2013 9/11 In A Nutshell as James Corbett presents this 5 minute parody of the official conspiracy theory of 9/11

https://youtu.be/vrJiKbK0tVM

Oct 8, 2016 Afghanistan: 15 Years of Invasion and Occupation

15 years after NATO's invasion and occupation of Afghanistan, the 9/11 and Al Qaeda lies that were used to justify the war have disappeared. Now the truth about oil and gas, mineral wealth, opium and naked imperial ambition are all that remain.

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jacques sheete , April 9, 2017 at 8:02 pm GMT \n
@dninmore This answer is simple. The Zionists were sending their "compatriots" - by force - to Palestine to populate their new illegitimate state - which is now a rogue, Apartheid one. The whole point of Zionism was to take over the world (their words, not mine), create a Jewish state in Palestine (not their first or second choice, btw), by butchering the native population - ethnic cleansing - to create the center for their NWO. They were even happy to blow up about 2,000 of their "compatriots" in a false flag on the ship Patria docked in port at Haifa to blame on the Brits - typical, yes? I'm sure you've heard of their policy to strip Jewish orphans from their European homes - at gun-point - to bring them to Palestine for the soon-to-be IDF model of violent indoctrination of their youth against Palestinians.

It's true Americans, and most of the world, wanted nothing to do with the parasitic Zionists. The fact that they were able to create both WWI and II, the UN, get their resolution passed and invade Palestine is a testament to how high they had infiltrated the US and GB governments. Of course, it helps when you have Chief SC Justice Brandeis and Franfurter, legislating from the court on behalf of the Zionists and all of the resources of the Rothchild gangsters.

Currently, 90% of the most powerful individuals in the US government, media and banks are Ashkenazy Jews - yet are only 2% of the US population and Ashkenazy are only 4% of that. Think about it.

As far as "extermination camps" go, the only ones I'm aware of (WWII) were created after the war by Eisenhower to finish what the Allies had begun. The only true "Holocaust" (destruction or slaughter on a mass scale, especially caused by fire or nuclear war), was caused by the Allies on the German people in the horrific, unstoppable bombardments of phosphorous all over that country. These facts are never shown in the media, history education or Hollywood. I wonder why that is?

This answer is simple.

Yes it is, and I wonder why the obvious escapes so many. Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments

jacques sheete , April 9, 2017 at 8:37 pm GMT \n
@Wolfred I used to have respect for you Linh Dinh, but no more.

You have just outed yourself as just another wacko nutjob.

You have just outed yourself as just another wacko nutjob.

I bet that just crushes the poor dude. Probably won't sleep for nights over it.

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daniel le mouche , April 9, 2017 at 8:40 pm GMT \n
@wayfarer "War on Terror!"

The Caucasoid race of Aryan, Semitic, and Hamitic have their disparate ideologies, which offer few spiritual crumbs in the way of practical wisdom or useful esoteric knowledge. If the deeper mysteries/truths of creation were genuinely revealed and shared openly within these disparate ideologies, self-serving warfare would not be such a common practice.

Contemplate the spiritual truth that a warrior's odyssey is futile, for it's absolutely impossible to destroy the eternal life/soul of one's enemy.

Peace. forget 'caucasoid race', etc., all races fall for the manipulators' b.s.
tell me (forget about 'immortal souls'), does living a complete lie–completely clueless–constitute living?
'we will know we have won when everything the public believes is false.'–william casey, ex-cia director Read More

dcite , April 9, 2017 at 9:16 pm GMT \n
200 Words @Anonymouse Doesn't the mysterious collapse of Building 7 suggest no conspiracy. As the building was empty undergoing a rebuild, what would be the point of destroying it?

From the Zionists making Pearl Harbor happen to their race being the maleficient agent directing all of human history is not that much of a leap. In sober historical fact, Zionists in 1941 in Palestine under the English mandate were not remotely in a position of power. Had they the power, they might have saved their compatriots in Europe by orchestrating massive emigration, which in fact was not permitted by the sovereign nations that might have accepted them. Of course, you can always factor in that inconvenient fact into the conspiracy theory.

Doesn't the mysterious collapse of Building 7 suggest no conspiracy. As the building was empty undergoing a rebuild, what would be the point of destroying it?

I'm sure Larry Silverstein has the answer to that one. Snopes and "urban myths" assures us that it is, indeed, an urban myth, that Silverstein took out more insurance on Bldg 7 before 9/11/ and his decision to "pull it" (which meant it had to already be ready to pull.) But I don't trust them. Do you? I've also heard there were records being stored in Bldg 7 that "they" would prefer destroyed. Killing two birds with one stone so to speak.
Here's c&p partial table of contents for Bldg 7: offices of the FBI, Department of Defense, IRS (which contained prodigious amounts of corporate tax fraud, including Enron's), US Secret Service, Securities & Exchange Commission (with more stock fraud records), and Citibank's Salomon Smith Barney, the Mayor's Office of Emergency Management and many other financial institutions.
The well known Kissinger quote about soldiers just leaves one dropped jaw. How is it that we have allowed that creature such power. There he always was, at the top of some invisible pyramid. Could anyone see the trajectory of his rise? What allowed him to conduct human sacrifice on citizens of his own country and others. Read More

daniel le mouche , April 9, 2017 at 9:27 pm GMT \n
100 Words Haven't read the article yet, but love the woman's sign in the picture–'Our oppression is NOT up for debate'.
And boy does she look oppressed, along with her co-religionists/racists on the top of every profession that manipulates everyone else–hollywood, network tv, radio, newspapers, magazines, the music industry, universities, government, banks.
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Amanda , April 9, 2017 at 9:46 pm GMT \n
@Agent76 Sep 11, 2013 9/11 In A Nutshell as James Corbett presents this 5 minute parody of the official conspiracy theory of 9/11

https://youtu.be/vrJiKbK0tVM

Oct 8, 2016 Afghanistan: 15 Years of Invasion and Occupation

15 years after NATO's invasion and occupation of Afghanistan, the 9/11 and Al Qaeda lies that were used to justify the war have disappeared. Now the truth about oil and gas, mineral wealth, opium and naked imperial ambition are all that remain.

https://youtu.be/UBOdbkqVGAY Thanks for linking to James Corbett's video on 9/11–unfortunately, it should have many more views Read More

iffen , April 9, 2017 at 9:55 pm GMT \n
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windship , April 9, 2017 at 10:01 pm GMT \n
200 Words My father was a career fireman who had tackled V2 rocket fires in WW2, and both airplane and high rise fires later, and was truly shocked by what happened on 9/11. It ate away at him and his belief in conservative politics. When he died a few years later he left me a large book collection on 9/11, which was quite an education – all of David Ray Griffin's efforts to wake people up, and a lot of photographic evidence he had collected. Since then, I've pursued the truth about those events in due respect for my father. I can see when politicians are lying, and when eye witnesses are telling the truth, and when people I know don't want to hear what I'm saying.

There really cannot be peace in this world when so much international policy is now built on such a rotten and blood-soaked foundation of deceit. Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments

Amanda , April 9, 2017 at 10:11 pm GMT \n
100 Words @dcite

Doesn't the mysterious collapse of Building 7 suggest no conspiracy. As the building was empty undergoing a rebuild, what would be the point of destroying it?
I'm sure Larry Silverstein has the answer to that one. Snopes and "urban myths" assures us that it is, indeed, an urban myth, that Silverstein took out more insurance on Bldg 7 before 9/11/ and his decision to "pull it" (which meant it had to already be ready to pull.) But I don't trust them. Do you? I've also heard there were records being stored in Bldg 7 that "they" would prefer destroyed. Killing two birds with one stone so to speak.
Here's c&p partial table of contents for Bldg 7: offices of the FBI, Department of Defense, IRS (which contained prodigious amounts of corporate tax fraud, including Enron's), US Secret Service, Securities & Exchange Commission (with more stock fraud records), and Citibank's Salomon Smith Barney, the Mayor's Office of Emergency Management and many other financial institutions.
The well known Kissinger quote about soldiers just leaves one dropped jaw. How is it that we have allowed that creature such power. There he always was, at the top of some invisible pyramid. Could anyone see the trajectory of his rise? What allowed him to conduct human sacrifice on citizens of his own country and others. Yes, they always kill lots of birds with one stone. I also read about important documents being destroyed in Building 7 (pretty sure this was the case w/OKC bombing, apparently documents on Waco were destroyed)

Also, Max Keiser (years ago, can't recall which episode) talked about major financial fraud being run out of Cantor Fitzgerald (can't remember the details, but the idea was they were counterfeiting treasuries in extreme amounts, so all that evidence was also conveniently destroyed). And, of course there was also the targeting of the auditing offices at the pentagon that were looking into the missing $2.3 trillion (more on this here https://vidrebel.wordpress.com/2014/10/13/counterfeiting-trillions-of-dollars-in-us-treasury-bonds-and-other-crimes/ )

Yes, Kissinger is a monster, probably protected b/c he works for the Oligarchy. It seems like all of our war criminals are a protected class. Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments

vinteuil , April 9, 2017 at 11:00 pm GMT \n
So, LD, it was you.

And all because I made the obvious point that you couldn't tell a flying squirrel from a hole in the ground – that you were a fantasist, & not a reporter. Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments

Agent76 , April 10, 2017 at 1:11 am GMT \n
100 Words @unit472 I tend to believe my lying eyes and not deranged fanatics. Highrise buildings have not collapsed due to fire because they are not struck by fuel laden projectiles moving at 500 mph and weighing 250 tons. They also have firemen who are still alive and working fire suppression systems trying to put the fire out. All of that fire fighting capability disappeared on 9/11. The structural damage alone from the aircraft impact likely doomed both towers even in the absence of fires. NYPD helicopter pilots reported the top of towers were leaning long before they collapsed owing to the exterior steel walls being the main structural steel support in modern skyscrapers unlike the internal steel boxes used in older skyscrapers that required more steel to be used and limited floor space.

Building 7 is harder to explain but it had been hit with multiton steel beams moving at high speed from the collapse of the twin towers. These would have ripped apart electrical systems and caused fires. As building 7 was the site of the NYC Emergency operations center thousands of gallons of diesel fuel was stored in the building to operate generators and once fire personel were withdrawn nothing was left to prevent fire from reaching those generators and fuel supplies. It is really not hard if you read the right quality and quantity of books. September 07, 2016 September 11, 2001: The 15th Anniversary of the Crime and Cover-up of the Century "What Really Happened"?

WTC Building exploding into fine dust (it is not burning down) by pre-planted explosives in an obvious controlled demolition.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/september-11-2001-the-15th-anniversary-of-the-crime-and-cover-up-of-the-century/5544414 Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments

wayfarer , April 10, 2017 at 1:54 am GMT \n
100 Words @daniel le mouche forget 'caucasoid race', etc., all races fall for the manipulators' b.s.
tell me (forget about 'immortal souls'), does living a complete lie--completely clueless--constitute living?
'we will know we have won when everything the public believes is false.'--william casey, ex-cia director I refer to disparate ideologies of the Caucasoid race, as divergent western religions (Islam, Christianity, and Judaism). These are the individual factions waging a "War on Terror" (WoT).

It is infighting within the Caucasoid race, caused by conflicting dogma that originates from "sacred texts" that are not too dissimilar from legacy software, which hasn't been updated for several thousand years.

IMO, the concept of an infinite intelligence/creative force within our universe, is so far beyond the antiquated teachings of the Torah, Bible, and Quran.

In this sense, I believe western civilization is spending its life living a lie, engulfed within ignorance. Read More

dninmore , April 10, 2017 at 1:58 am GMT \n
@Anonymous33 The real debate of the moment is whether Assad "did or didn'". The news is tellin' us he did, the alter-news says well maybe he didn'. Back n' forth it goes, like a little gerbil wheel for your mind. Maybe melting steel caused the gas release? What's for dinner?

The media works as one, developing your rodent like response to ignore the forest for the trees and focus on your next food pellet. So it is with the great sporting event of the 9/11, back n' forth, easy to digest, processed just for you.

Dinh might be a nice guy and believe in what he does, but he's just another narcotics courier, delivering thoughts and ideas that so many of his kind are trained to do, that serve to disable people more effectively than any overt real weapon. Getting any reaction is valuable, the best artists are widely hated, and they love that hate, but I'd say your real enemies (readers) are the ones you least suspect.

They'll call you terrorists, as Chris Hedges is increasingly doing to the people that read his output! Sound familiar? Linh Dinh's "violence" comes from his pen. He openly mocks his own neighbors, you love that hate, and even when he mocks you you'll still believe he offers the "truth" and hang on to every word. Ignore the forest for the trees at your own perile, but the bad guys are the ones you trust. WWII B-52 slams into the Empire State in a fog. No collapse. The twin towers were BUILT to withstand TWO airplane collisions. No complete collapse of a steel superstructure has ever happened before or since 9/11. How stupid, or how connected to Zio-trash are you? Read More

Falsehood , April 10, 2017 at 2:08 am GMT \n
100 Words @Truth I'd agree with that but I still don't quite get the lack of plane wreckage at the Pentagon.

LOL; what is there not to get; IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

I'm still waiting to see ONE photo of airplane wreckage on the pentagon lawn. The FBI just released pictures from the Pentagon crash site showing pieces of aircraft. Unfortunately this threatens years of efforts online to get people to focus, discuss and be monitored as they obsess over an elaborate connivance. A smaller effort in the war on terror programming aimed at the American mind.

What do you think the purpose of spreading nonsense like "a rocket hit the Pentagon" really is? Another fake point of opposition to the "evil Goverment's story" right? The more effective Government designs the attacks, designs the conspiracy chatter, and creates it's own opposition. Read More

Sam J. , April 10, 2017 at 2:37 am GMT \n
500 Words Most of the people here already know the story but to make sure others understand. There is no way possible that building #7 could have fallen the way it did without some type of demolition. I will explain. On 9-11 Building #7 fell the same speed as a rock dropped beside it in free air for roughly 108 feet. This means the building had no resistance to falling except air. Impossible without explosives.

All materials fall the same speed in a gravity field disregarding air friction which I don't thing we need to worry about for a building falling. So the speed of our imaginary rock falling next to the building is just gravity related. The speed of the buildings falling, the exact same as the rock, is just gravity also. This means that there was NOTHING to slow the fall of the building. The density of the material under the imaginary rock falling was air. The building fell the same therefore the density of the material under the building was also air. We know this is not true. Building #7 was not hovering in the air. The lower portions of the building were demoed out from under it.

It's makes NO difference how big the fires were. The buildings density never reached the same value as air! The fires did not boil away the building structure where it was light as air! All the talk about damage, fires, this, that, all bullshit because the building fell with all four corners almost level the same speed as a rock in AIR. If a building falls as fast as a rock and the rock is falling through JUST AIR then the building is falling through JUST AIR also. Simple equivalence. 1=1, 2=2, big rock falling in air=small rock falling in air=building falling in air. One problem is people sometimes believe that a really heavy thing will fall faster than a lighter thing. Not true. Look at this video of the Apollo astronaut dropping a feather and a hammer on the Moon. They land at the same time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C5_dOEyAfk

This is one of the best videos I've seen on the building #1 and #2. It's by a Mechanical Engineer. It's very interesting by itself even if you don't believe in any conspiracy, it's shows the towers, how they're designed and there's no hold your breath type speculation stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABuCO5ifeIE

The was a person in the building when some explosions happened. Barry Jennings a Emergency Management Worker who was in the building by accident and testified on tape the day it happened and later to a separate film crew. My guess is building 7 was supposed to come down at the same time the North tower fell and it's fall would covered by the dust plum or just in the general confusion but it didn't. Somebody screwed up. Building 7′s fall is the single best piece of information on 9-11 being a false flag and they know it. There's no way possible to twist the fall of this building into any reality without there being some demo or whatever to destroy the bottom out from under it. Read More

NoseytheDuke , April 10, 2017 at 3:52 am GMT \n
@Wolfred I used to have respect for you Linh Dinh, but no more.

You have just outed yourself as just another wacko nutjob. Any sound of dripping you may hear would more likely be that of a dripping tap than of Linh Dinh weeping at the thought of losing the respect of a nimrod such as the one who wrote the post I'm responding to. Seriously. Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments

Truth , April 10, 2017 at 3:57 am GMT \n
@Falsehood The FBI just released pictures from the Pentagon crash site showing pieces of aircraft. Unfortunately this threatens years of efforts online to get people to focus, discuss and be monitored as they obsess over an elaborate connivance. A smaller effort in the war on terror programming aimed at the American mind.

What do you think the purpose of spreading nonsense like "a rocket hit the Pentagon" really is? Another fake point of opposition to the "evil Goverment's story" right? The more effective Government designs the attacks, designs the conspiracy chatter, and creates it's own opposition. Please post away, my friend, I'd love to see one. Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments

2stateshmoostate , April 10, 2017 at 4:01 am GMT \n
200 Words Excellent article.
I think there are only two way we might end control of the US government by the traitors who perpetrated 911.
One is to expose them at their most vulnerable point and that is 911. That attack doesn't hold up to reason. There's an endless of inconsistencies and contradictions that I won't go into here. How to get the attention of the American people? I don't know. I don't understand why the leaders adversarial states don't bring up the obvious fact that 911 was a false flag operation. This in order to DE-legitimize or create suspicion towards the US government. This is the kind of story I would think RT news would publish, and maybe they will if hostilities escalate between Russia and the US.
The other way we might get rid of these traitors is how Argentina got rid of the Generals; A massive military defeat that causes even the mindless lumps that are most of Americans to set up and take notice.
Ultimately these traitors will go, it's only a question of when and how much damage they do in the mean time.
Also I want to congratulate Mr. Dinh on his accurate prediction in a previous article that Trump was just another neocon puppet. I always agreed with that, because the scum that did 911 were not about to let anyone they don't control, get elected president of the US. Read More
2stateshmoostate , April 10, 2017 at 4:06 am GMT \n
@Shouting Thomas You're using Louis Farrakhan as a go to source?

You just trashed yourself. If you want to hear the truth about the US don't listen to Americas friends, listen to what our enemies and critics have to say. This is just plain common sense. Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments

NoseytheDuke , April 10, 2017 at 4:08 am GMT \n
100 Words @Falsehood The FBI just released pictures from the Pentagon crash site showing pieces of aircraft. Unfortunately this threatens years of efforts online to get people to focus, discuss and be monitored as they obsess over an elaborate connivance. A smaller effort in the war on terror programming aimed at the American mind.

What do you think the purpose of spreading nonsense like "a rocket hit the Pentagon" really is? Another fake point of opposition to the "evil Goverment's story" right? The more effective Government designs the attacks, designs the conspiracy chatter, and creates it's own opposition. How does a commercial passenger plane crash into a building and leave a hole about one third the size of the area of itself? How does a large, hollow, thin-skinned, alloy fuselage manage to penetrate several very thick walls all the way through to the third ring of the Pentagon?

A simple answer to both questions is, they don't. Both explanations are impossible. Pictures taken immediately afterwards are available on the web so you can see for yourself, and why has it taken you so long to look into this? Don't you care at all about the USA or are you just trolling? Read More

2stateshmoostate , April 10, 2017 at 4:27 am GMT \n
@Anonymous33 The real debate of the moment is whether Assad "did or didn'". The news is tellin' us he did, the alter-news says well maybe he didn'. Back n' forth it goes, like a little gerbil wheel for your mind. Maybe melting steel caused the gas release? What's for dinner?

The media works as one, developing your rodent like response to ignore the forest for the trees and focus on your next food pellet. So it is with the great sporting event of the 9/11, back n' forth, easy to digest, processed just for you.

Dinh might be a nice guy and believe in what he does, but he's just another narcotics courier, delivering thoughts and ideas that so many of his kind are trained to do, that serve to disable people more effectively than any overt real weapon. Getting any reaction is valuable, the best artists are widely hated, and they love that hate, but I'd say your real enemies (readers) are the ones you least suspect.

They'll call you terrorists, as Chris Hedges is increasingly doing to the people that read his output! Sound familiar? Linh Dinh's "violence" comes from his pen. He openly mocks his own neighbors, you love that hate, and even when he mocks you you'll still believe he offers the "truth" and hang on to every word. Ignore the forest for the trees at your own perile, but the bad guys are the ones you trust. You are either computer-bot writing this drivel or a paid troll. Either way your just wasting time. Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments

Truth , April 10, 2017 at 4:35 am GMT \n
@NoseytheDuke How does a commercial passenger plane crash into a building and leave a hole about one third the size of the area of itself? How does a large, hollow, thin-skinned, alloy fuselage manage to penetrate several very thick walls all the way through to the third ring of the Pentagon?

A simple answer to both questions is, they don't. Both explanations are impossible. Pictures taken immediately afterwards are available on the web so you can see for yourself, and why has it taken you so long to look into this? Don't you care at all about the USA or are you just trolling? He's a Government-sanctioned cointelpro shill. If this is false, the truth is even worse. Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments

animalogic , April 10, 2017 at 5:05 am GMT \n
@dninmore This answer is simple. The Zionists were sending their "compatriots" - by force - to Palestine to populate their new illegitimate state - which is now a rogue, Apartheid one. The whole point of Zionism was to take over the world (their words, not mine), create a Jewish state in Palestine (not their first or second choice, btw), by butchering the native population - ethnic cleansing - to create the center for their NWO. They were even happy to blow up about 2,000 of their "compatriots" in a false flag on the ship Patria docked in port at Haifa to blame on the Brits - typical, yes? I'm sure you've heard of their policy to strip Jewish orphans from their European homes - at gun-point - to bring them to Palestine for the soon-to-be IDF model of violent indoctrination of their youth against Palestinians.

It's true Americans, and most of the world, wanted nothing to do with the parasitic Zionists. The fact that they were able to create both WWI and II, the UN, get their resolution passed and invade Palestine is a testament to how high they had infiltrated the US and GB governments. Of course, it helps when you have Chief SC Justice Brandeis and Franfurter, legislating from the court on behalf of the Zionists and all of the resources of the Rothchild gangsters.

Currently, 90% of the most powerful individuals in the US government, media and banks are Ashkenazy Jews - yet are only 2% of the US population and Ashkenazy are only 4% of that. Think about it.

As far as "extermination camps" go, the only ones I'm aware of (WWII) were created after the war by Eisenhower to finish what the Allies had begun. The only true "Holocaust" (destruction or slaughter on a mass scale, especially caused by fire or nuclear war), was caused by the Allies on the German people in the horrific, unstoppable bombardments of phosphorous all over that country. These facts are never shown in the media, history education or Hollywood. I wonder why that is? Just a question: my understanding is that many 100,000′s Jew's were shot in Russia, Ukraine etc in 41-42′ (einstazgruppen [sp ?]) Is this still historically accurate or not ? Read More

animalogic , April 10, 2017 at 5:18 am GMT \n
100 Words @dninmore WWII B-52 slams into the Empire State in a fog. No collapse. The twin towers were BUILT to withstand TWO airplane collisions. No complete collapse of a steel superstructure has ever happened before or since 9/11. How stupid, or how connected to Zio-trash are you? Excuse me for being pedantic (b/c your point is good) but I think it was a B 25 Mitchel bomber that flew into the Empire State. B 52′s were at least a decade later. (Although there is some size difference btwn WW II bombers & modern jetliners: not sure whether any size difference is relevant tho). Read More
Redpill , April 10, 2017 at 6:43 am GMT \n
@Anonymouse Doesn't the mysterious collapse of Building 7 suggest no conspiracy. As the building was empty undergoing a rebuild, what would be the point of destroying it?

From the Zionists making Pearl Harbor happen to their race being the maleficient agent directing all of human history is not that much of a leap. In sober historical fact, Zionists in 1941 in Palestine under the English mandate were not remotely in a position of power. Had they the power, they might have saved their compatriots in Europe by orchestrating massive emigration, which in fact was not permitted by the sovereign nations that might have accepted them. Of course, you can always factor in that inconvenient fact into the conspiracy theory. No, the classic controlled demolition style of WTC7′s collapse suggests exactly the opposite. Only explosives canmake a building fall that way, and only insiders could have had the time and access necessary to rig the building. Don't be obtuse. Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments

utu , April 10, 2017 at 6:51 am GMT \n
100 Words @2stateshmoostate Excellent article.
I think there are only two way we might end control of the US government by the traitors who perpetrated 911.
One is to expose them at their most vulnerable point and that is 911. That attack doesn't hold up to reason. There's an endless of inconsistencies and contradictions that I won't go into here. How to get the attention of the American people? I don't know. I don't understand why the leaders adversarial states don't bring up the obvious fact that 911 was a false flag operation. This in order to DE-legitimize or create suspicion towards the US government. This is the kind of story I would think RT news would publish, and maybe they will if hostilities escalate between Russia and the US.
The other way we might get rid of these traitors is how Argentina got rid of the Generals; A massive military defeat that causes even the mindless lumps that are most of Americans to set up and take notice.
Ultimately these traitors will go, it's only a question of when and how much damage they do in the mean time.
Also I want to congratulate Mr. Dinh on his accurate prediction in a previous article that Trump was just another neocon puppet. I always agreed with that, because the scum that did 911 were not about to let anyone they don't control, get elected president of the US.

"I don't understand why the leaders adversarial states don't bring up the obvious fact that 911 was a false flag operation. "

Putin's FSB did false flag bombings of apartment buildings in Russia to start the 2nd war in Chechnya in 1999.

It is possible that the secret agencies that do such things exchange notes among themselves and can be even subcontracted. Read More

Greg Bacon , Website April 10, 2017 at 10:25 am GMT \n
200 Words I too am a retired career Fire Lieutenant/EMT that fought structure fires as a firefighter, acting Lieutenant, Lieutenant and twice, as Incident Commander, overseeing the entire op. I also have over 400 hours of college level firefighting credit from our State university's Fire School.

I've fought fires in a variety of buildings, including hi-rises and have seen building collapses, mostly due to the tremendous amount of water applied to the building, which increased the weight beyond the architects limits.
When buildings fall, they drop down in a random, haphazard manner, they don't explode and send a plume of heated smoke, gases and debris 500′ into the air and rumbling down NYC streets for blocks and blocks.

To those who still cling to the lies, tell me this: What kind of building 'collapse' makes nearly 1,000 WTC victims bodies explode into bits so small, they had to use DNA testing on bone fragments the size of a fingernail?
And what kind of building collapse causes generates enough force to lob a 20 ton steel beam over 350′ and still have enough force left over to have the beam impale itself in the Deutsche Bank building?

9/11 was an Israeli masterminded False Flag with help from traitors in the WH, the Pentagon, CIA, FBA and NSA. With generous help from the Lying MSM.

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/9-11/Israel_did_it

Until we realize that, these endless 'Wars for Wall Street and Israel' will go on until the USA collapses from financial, physical and moral exhaustion. Read More Agree: Rurik

dninmore , April 10, 2017 at 12:01 pm GMT \n
100 Words @animalogic Excuse me for being pedantic (b/c your point is good) but I think it was a B 25 Mitchel bomber that flew into the Empire State. B 52's were at least a decade later. (Although there is some size difference btwn WW II bombers & modern jetliners: not sure whether any size difference is relevant tho). Thank you. Lol. Dyslexia. Yes, you are correct. B25 carried about 1,000 gallons of fuel, but could use an auxiliary tank to carry almost 1,500 gallons.

My point is that, regardless of the amount of fuel, we know most of it burns off in the initial explosion and the rest burns off in a few minutes.

The firefighters who arrived and witnessed the impact floors said they could knock down the fires with 2 or 3 lines – and they had lots of experience fighting fires in the towers.

To the idea that the fires were burning so hot to melt steel – a physical impossibility – why were so many people seen 40 minutes after, clinging to the structure at the windows? They should have been incinerated, but weren't. Read More

dninmore , April 10, 2017 at 12:12 pm GMT \n
@animalogic Just a question: my understanding is that many 100,000's Jew's were shot in Russia, Ukraine etc in 41-42' (einstazgruppen [sp ?]) Is this still historically accurate or not ? Russian side of things is not where my focus has been. I'm talking towards the 6million, extermination policy, gas chamber lies. It's a multi-billion dollar industry that needs to go away. The world doesn't need to be "educated" by Jews about suffering or man's inhumanity. Read More Agree: anarchyst
Agent76 , April 10, 2017 at 12:54 pm GMT \n
@Amanda Thanks for linking to James Corbett's video on 9/11--unfortunately, it should have many more views View my other post's on this topic especially the one Rudy Giuliani and be prepared to have your socks blown off. Read More
animalogic , April 10, 2017 at 1:07 pm GMT \n
@dninmore Russian side of things is not where my focus has been. I'm talking towards the 6million, extermination policy, gas chamber lies. It's a multi-billion dollar industry that needs to go away. The world doesn't need to be "educated" by Jews about suffering or man's inhumanity. I understand that. I am open minded. But, I have been lead to believe that the shooting of Jew's was a considerable % of the 6 MIL. Further, the "camps" we're a response to the expense & general messiness of mass shooting. Read More
dninmore , April 10, 2017 at 2:38 pm GMT \n
100 Words Nope. I won't go there. Any Jews shot in Russia have NOTHING to do with the 6 million lie I have been told all of my life. It has only been "6 million Jews gassed to death in Nazi death camps". It never was "most of them were shot in Russia". Well, until after the Ernst Zundel trial of 1985 in Toronto, which prompted Auschwitz to drop their "official" numbers down by 3 million – and yet, we still hear about 6 million. Then we begin to hear about shootings, mobile van gassings and mass grave pit burning, which is all absurd and mathematically impossible. Two questions for you: Where are the 6 million bodies that were gassed in Nazi camps?, and How did the Nazi's dispose of the bodies without putting themselves in grave jeopardy – due to the extremely toxic effects of Zyklon-B? Read More Agree: anarchyst Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments
dninmore , April 10, 2017 at 2:44 pm GMT \n
@Sam J. Most of the people here already know the story but to make sure others understand. There is no way possible that building #7 could have fallen the way it did without some type of demolition. I will explain. On 9-11 Building #7 fell the same speed as a rock dropped beside it in free air for roughly 108 feet. This means the building had no resistance to falling except air. Impossible without explosives.

All materials fall the same speed in a gravity field disregarding air friction which I don't thing we need to worry about for a building falling. So the speed of our imaginary rock falling next to the building is just gravity related. The speed of the buildings falling, the exact same as the rock, is just gravity also. This means that there was NOTHING to slow the fall of the building. The density of the material under the imaginary rock falling was air. The building fell the same therefore the density of the material under the building was also air. We know this is not true. Building #7 was not hovering in the air. The lower portions of the building were demoed out from under it.

It's makes NO difference how big the fires were. The buildings density never reached the same value as air! The fires did not boil away the building structure where it was light as air! All the talk about damage, fires, this, that, all bullshit because the building fell with all four corners almost level the same speed as a rock in AIR. If a building falls as fast as a rock and the rock is falling through JUST AIR then the building is falling through JUST AIR also. Simple equivalence. 1=1, 2=2, big rock falling in air=small rock falling in air=building falling in air. One problem is people sometimes believe that a really heavy thing will fall faster than a lighter thing. Not true. Look at this video of the Apollo astronaut dropping a feather and a hammer on the Moon. They land at the same time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C5_dOEyAfk

This is one of the best videos I've seen on the building #1 and #2. It's by a Mechanical Engineer. It's very interesting by itself even if you don't believe in any conspiracy, it's shows the towers, how they're designed and there's no hold your breath type speculation stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABuCO5ifeIE

The was a person in the building when some explosions happened. Barry Jennings a Emergency Management Worker who was in the building by accident and testified on tape the day it happened and later to a separate film crew. My guess is building 7 was supposed to come down at the same time the North tower fell and it's fall would covered by the dust plum or just in the general confusion but it didn't. Somebody screwed up. Building 7's fall is the single best piece of information on 9-11 being a false flag and they know it. There's no way possible to twist the fall of this building into any reality without there being some demo or whatever to destroy the bottom out from under it. I always thought UA Flight 93 was supposed to hit Bldg 7. No evidence, just a hunch. Read More

2stateshmoostate , April 10, 2017 at 2:50 pm GMT \n
100 Words @utu

"I don't understand why the leaders adversarial states don't bring up the obvious fact that 911 was a false flag operation. "
Putin's FSB did false flag bombings of apartment buildings in Russia to start the 2nd war in Chechnya in 1999.

It is possible that the secret agencies that do such things exchange notes among themselves and can be even subcontracted. I remember that and I came to the same conclusion. We're definitely in a pretty screwed up world.
I do remember Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran was the only government leader who had the guts to speak the truth about 911. I'm sure that's one of the reasons he was so hated by the Israeli controlled MSM Read More Agree: Amanda Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments

Amanda , April 10, 2017 at 3:40 pm GMT \n
I think most on this thread have probably researched 9/11 a great deal, but in case some are new here, I'll post a couple of things I found especially helpful:

Missing Links documentary- explores the Zionist role in 9/11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qFa9_JjlYc

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Amanda , April 10, 2017 at 3:50 pm GMT \n
100 Words @Agent76 View my other post's on this topic especially the one Rudy Giuliani and be prepared to have your socks blown off. I'll be sure to do so. I've actually started delving back into 911 again, as I noticed that Corbett report has some videos up that I missed (especially one on the missing trillions, and one on missing gold). I think he also has some videos on individual 9/11 criminals, including Rudy Giuliani Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
Talha , April 10, 2017 at 4:15 pm GMT \n
@Greg Bacon I too am a retired career Fire Lieutenant/EMT that fought structure fires as a firefighter, acting Lieutenant, Lieutenant and twice, as Incident Commander, overseeing the entire op. I also have over 400 hours of college level firefighting credit from our State university's Fire School.

I've fought fires in a variety of buildings, including hi-rises and have seen building collapses, mostly due to the tremendous amount of water applied to the building, which increased the weight beyond the architects limits.
When buildings fall, they drop down in a random, haphazard manner, they don't explode and send a plume of heated smoke, gases and debris 500' into the air and rumbling down NYC streets for blocks and blocks.

To those who still cling to the lies, tell me this: What kind of building 'collapse' makes nearly 1,000 WTC victims bodies explode into bits so small, they had to use DNA testing on bone fragments the size of a fingernail?
And what kind of building collapse causes generates enough force to lob a 20 ton steel beam over 350' and still have enough force left over to have the beam impale itself in the Deutsche Bank building?

9/11 was an Israeli masterminded False Flag with help from traitors in the WH, the Pentagon, CIA, FBA and NSA. With generous help from the Lying MSM.

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/9-11/Israel_did_it

Until we realize that, these endless 'Wars for Wall Street and Israel' will go on until the USA collapses from financial, physical and moral exhaustion. Hey GB,

Wow! Great post – I love it when commentators add some real value to the discussion based on their individual expertise or background. Much appreciated!

I had no clue about that beam nor the condition of the bodies.

Peace. Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments

Anonymouse , April 10, 2017 at 4:17 pm GMT \n
200 Words @dninmore This answer is simple. The Zionists were sending their "compatriots" - by force - to Palestine to populate their new illegitimate state - which is now a rogue, Apartheid one. The whole point of Zionism was to take over the world (their words, not mine), create a Jewish state in Palestine (not their first or second choice, btw), by butchering the native population - ethnic cleansing - to create the center for their NWO. They were even happy to blow up about 2,000 of their "compatriots" in a false flag on the ship Patria docked in port at Haifa to blame on the Brits - typical, yes? I'm sure you've heard of their policy to strip Jewish orphans from their European homes - at gun-point - to bring them to Palestine for the soon-to-be IDF model of violent indoctrination of their youth against Palestinians.

It's true Americans, and most of the world, wanted nothing to do with the parasitic Zionists. The fact that they were able to create both WWI and II, the UN, get their resolution passed and invade Palestine is a testament to how high they had infiltrated the US and GB governments. Of course, it helps when you have Chief SC Justice Brandeis and Franfurter, legislating from the court on behalf of the Zionists and all of the resources of the Rothchild gangsters.

Currently, 90% of the most powerful individuals in the US government, media and banks are Ashkenazy Jews - yet are only 2% of the US population and Ashkenazy are only 4% of that. Think about it.

As far as "extermination camps" go, the only ones I'm aware of (WWII) were created after the war by Eisenhower to finish what the Allies had begun. The only true "Holocaust" (destruction or slaughter on a mass scale, especially caused by fire or nuclear war), was caused by the Allies on the German people in the horrific, unstoppable bombardments of phosphorous all over that country. These facts are never shown in the media, history education or Hollywood. I wonder why that is? The jewish population throughout Europe before WW II was ~11 million according to the censuses of such countries as England, France, Germany, Scandinavia, Belgium, Netherlands, Italy, Soviet Union, etc conducted in those years. In 1948 the jewish population of Palestine was ~500,000 according to the census of the Brits who ruled that country. All of these figures may be confirmed without great research efforts.

On another related subject, the jews in Israel after the instauration of their polity in 1948 waxed mightily. The lowly jews and court jews of recent history were replaced by human beings with agency, still I would aver without possessing great geopolitical might. And have elicited world-wide envious hate. With their top-notch military + hundreds of nuclear weapons + 5 state-of-the art submarines, they are in a better position to withstand their enemies. The implacable hatred of the Moslems, so far impotent, is also a given. Stay tuned and gai gesunt! Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments

Obscured American: Rudy Dent a 9-11 First Responder -[Because suing US for 9-11 is still the key to justice & liberty!] | The Paradise Post - REAL World News From Taiwan , April 10, 2017 at 4:30 pm GMT \n
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Carlton Meyer , Website April 10, 2017 at 5:30 pm GMT \n
300 Words Over the years, I've read debates and seen videos with hundreds of convincing reasons why the official 9-11 story is false. Most Americans are too lazy or spineless to read though any of these arguments. Here is the simplest one for simpletons.

The Pentagon is one of the most secure buildings in the USA, with dozens of security cameras covering every angle. There are also many private businesses nearby with security cameras, and tourists with camcorders and cameras. Crime is high in Washington DC so security cameras are common. If the Pentagon attack story is true, why can't the government provide a single clear videotape or picture of the American airliner approaching or hitting the Pentagon? They reluctantly released a couple of edited tapes of a fuzzy flash explosion and smoke, but no visual proof of an American Airlines airliner in flight.

Does anyone want to play devil's advocate and post a possible excuse for this?

Recall the four security cameras pointing at the 1995 OKC bombing stopped working shortly before the bombing and resumed after the explosion, according to the FBI, which refused to release them for years. For those who like video, the testimony of Secretary Mineta about 9-11 is disturbing yet little discussed. He was sitting with Cheney as a military officer provided updates on the airplane heading toward the Pentagon, and there was some "standing order" that had been made. Nevertheless, none of the Pentagon's air defense systems fired at the airliner and again, no one took pictures or videotaped the incoming aircraft! Did all the security cameras "stop working" too?

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dninmore , April 10, 2017 at 5:40 pm GMT \n
300 Words http://israelipalestinian.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000636#graph3

Yes, Jews population increased during WWII in Europe, N. America and the World. Where, exactly, does the "6 million" come from – other than the cabala?

They did have "great geopolitical might". Look what they were able to accomplish, albeit by deceit and terrorism.

The "envious hate" you refer to is laughable – there's no envy for what the Jews have done and continue to do.

"With their top-notch military + hundreds of nuclear weapons + 5 state-of-the art submarines, they are in a better position to withstand their enemies."

I'd love to see this "top-notch military" (who runs away from rock-throwing children or shoots them) take on a real enemy in a real ground war – not a terrorist action, or one where they just drop bombs. All of America's wars have been fought overseas. I'd like to see the Jews try that – just once.

The nuclear arsenal (technology/uranium, etc.) was stolen from the US and has never been inspected – but they bitch and moan about Iran and N. Korea. (Couldn't be that those two countries have refused the Rothschild banking "system", could it?)

"The implacable hatred of the Moslems, so far impotent, is also a given."

If it wasn't for the Jews, and what they have done in Palestine and the Middle East (now the world), there wouldn't be a problem. Jews, Christians and Muslims lived in relative peace for a century before that.

The Jews have no tolerance for any race beyond their self-proclaimed "master" race and any Jew who supports the illegitimate Apartheid rogue state, is more the problem than the Nutty-Yahoos. It is illegal to do business with any Apartheid state. This needs to be enforced, instead of running around the world passing legislation to make it a crime – along with any criticism of the hollow cost. Read More Agree: anarchyst

anarchyst , April 10, 2017 at 6:04 pm GMT \n
100 Words @dninmore http://israelipalestinian.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000636#graph3

Yes, Jews population increased during WWII in Europe, N. America and the World. Where, exactly, does the "6 million" come from - other than the cabala?

They did have "great geopolitical might". Look what they were able to accomplish, albeit by deceit and terrorism.

The "envious hate" you refer to is laughable - there's no envy for what the Jews have done and continue to do.

"With their top-notch military + hundreds of nuclear weapons + 5 state-of-the art submarines, they are in a better position to withstand their enemies."

I'd love to see this "top-notch military" (who runs away from rock-throwing children or shoots them) take on a real enemy in a real ground war - not a terrorist action, or one where they just drop bombs. All of America's wars have been fought overseas. I'd like to see the Jews try that - just once.

The nuclear arsenal (technology/uranium, etc.) was stolen from the US and has never been inspected - but they bitch and moan about Iran and N. Korea. (Couldn't be that those two countries have refused the Rothschild banking "system", could it?)

"The implacable hatred of the Moslems, so far impotent, is also a given."

If it wasn't for the Jews, and what they have done in Palestine and the Middle East (now the world), there wouldn't be a problem. Jews, Christians and Muslims lived in relative peace for a century before that.

The Jews have no tolerance for any race beyond their self-proclaimed "master" race and any Jew who supports the illegitimate Apartheid rogue state, is more the problem than the Nutty-Yahoos. It is illegal to do business with any Apartheid state. This needs to be enforced, instead of running around the world passing legislation to make it a crime - along with any criticism of the hollow cost. Israel has always refused inspection of its nuclear arsenal because it would not be able to account for all of them. You see, Israel's "Samson Option" requires it to have its nukes pre-positioned all around the world, ready for use. According to the Samson option, Israel promises to nuke a European or American city if it is "attacked". Since Israel has no "delivery system" (until recently) what better way to be "prepared" than to have them already in place? As Israel's spy system (Mossad) is second to none, it would be relatively easy to smuggle them into the various countries (with hasbara help).
THIS is the major reason why Israel refuses international inspection of its nukes Read More

dninmore , April 10, 2017 at 6:19 pm GMT \n
@anarchyst Israel has always refused inspection of its nuclear arsenal because it would not be able to account for all of them. You see, Israel's "Samson Option" requires it to have its nukes pre-positioned all around the world, ready for use. According to the Samson option, Israel promises to nuke a European or American city if it is "attacked". Since Israel has no "delivery system" (until recently) what better way to be "prepared" than to have them already in place? As Israel's spy system (Mossad) is second to none, it would be relatively easy to smuggle them into the various countries (with hasbara help).
THIS is the major reason why Israel refuses international inspection of its nukes... Thank you for that. That is news to me and I will research the topic. I must say, I never understood from day one why 9/11 was referred to as "ground zero" – unless it was truth flaunted out in the open. Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
anarchyst , April 10, 2017 at 6:37 pm GMT \n
@Carlton Meyer Over the years, I've read debates and seen videos with hundreds of convincing reasons why the official 9-11 story is false. Most Americans are too lazy or spineless to read though any of these arguments. Here is the simplest one for simpletons.

The Pentagon is one of the most secure buildings in the USA, with dozens of security cameras covering every angle. There are also many private businesses nearby with security cameras, and tourists with camcorders and cameras. Crime is high in Washington DC so security cameras are common. If the Pentagon attack story is true, why can't the government provide a single clear videotape or picture of the American airliner approaching or hitting the Pentagon? They reluctantly released a couple of edited tapes of a fuzzy flash explosion and smoke, but no visual proof of an American Airlines airliner in flight.

Does anyone want to play devil's advocate and post a possible excuse for this?

Recall the four security cameras pointing at the 1995 OKC bombing stopped working shortly before the bombing and resumed after the explosion, according to the FBI, which refused to release them for years. For those who like video, the testimony of Secretary Mineta about 9-11 is disturbing yet little discussed. He was sitting with Cheney as a military officer provided updates on the airplane heading toward the Pentagon, and there was some "standing order" that had been made. Nevertheless, none of the Pentagon's air defense systems fired at the airliner and again, no one took pictures or videotaped the incoming aircraft! Did all the security cameras "stop working" too?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDfdOwt2v3Y Not only that, but the ATF and FBI agents were told to stay home that day there was an article in the Chicago Tribune on the Sunday following the blast that stated as such Read More

Si1ver1ock , April 10, 2017 at 6:47 pm GMT \n
When you see something obviously wrong and the media won't cover it, you start to wonder what else they are lying about.

Rudy Dent is a true hero.

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Coddingtons Corner: Obscured American – Rudy Dent a 9-11 First Responder | R3publicans , April 10, 2017 at 7:36 pm GMT \n
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Bill Jones , April 10, 2017 at 11:32 pm GMT \n
@dninmore Typical response from a Hasbara. No supporting evidence to refute the facts, so you go to ad hominem. The bint on the BBC world service TV announcing the collapse of WTC7 twenty minutes before it happened is usually classified as a clue by the non-insane. Read More
dninmore , April 11, 2017 at 12:19 am GMT \n
100 Words @Bill Jones The bint on the BBC world service TV announcing the collapse of WTC7 twenty minutes before it happened is usually classified as a clue by the non-insane. Right. Thank you. Dan Rather's live comment that "it looks like one of those demolitions you see" never is mentioned, again, despite all of the witness testimony to "multiple explosions". Nothing to see here. Not one day spent in a court of law over the greatest crime on American soil. Read More
daniel le mouche , April 11, 2017 at 12:23 am GMT \n
300 Words @wayfarer I refer to disparate ideologies of the Caucasoid race, as divergent western religions (Islam, Christianity, and Judaism). These are the individual factions waging a "War on Terror" (WoT).

It is infighting within the Caucasoid race, caused by conflicting dogma that originates from "sacred texts" that are not too dissimilar from legacy software, which hasn't been updated for several thousand years.

IMO, the concept of an infinite intelligence/creative force within our universe, is so far beyond the antiquated teachings of the Torah, Bible, and Quran.

In this sense, I believe western civilization is spending its life living a lie, engulfed within ignorance. 'It is infighting within the Caucasoid race, caused by conflicting dogma that originates from "sacred texts" that are not too dissimilar from legacy software, which hasn't been updated for several thousand years.'

As I said above, the Caucasoid race isn't the world's great problem. You put Muslims in this Caucasoid race of yours. This would include Pakistanis, Indonesians, Filipinos, Malaysians, many African nations, and other scattered peoples from eastern Europe to Russia to China to the United States.
Let's move on to Christians. They would include the oldest sects of Copts in Egypt, as well as newcomers like Koreans, as well as large populations in North and South America.
As for legacy software, I don't know what that is.

But your comment reminds me of a video I watched recently with some very angry, hate-filled black American going on about the 'caucasoid ape man'. Check it out, if you didn't make it yourself.

'IMO, the concept of an infinite intelligence/creative force within our universe, is so far beyond the antiquated teachings of the Torah, Bible, and Quran.'

Agreed, and I don't subscribe to any of the above. Nor do I subscribe to much else, e.g. Buddhism, Shinto, Hinduism, African tribal religions, American Indian religions. There may be infinite wisdom and intelligence, there may not be. Some religions appear to be gentler and nicer and better than others–Jainism comes to mind. People are certainly wacky, certainly interesting too. The depths as well as strangeness of human religion is staggering. Catholicism alone probably takes the cake in both those categories.
As for living a lie, I'm not sure. People strive for the truth, at least a certain percentage do–and no where more than in the west, it seems to me. We're fed nothing but lies by our rulers, but again, this goes for all countries and peoples, at least in the modern world. Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments

daniel le mouche , April 11, 2017 at 12:31 am GMT \n
100 Words @Falsehood The FBI just released pictures from the Pentagon crash site showing pieces of aircraft. Unfortunately this threatens years of efforts online to get people to focus, discuss and be monitored as they obsess over an elaborate connivance. A smaller effort in the war on terror programming aimed at the American mind.

What do you think the purpose of spreading nonsense like "a rocket hit the Pentagon" really is? Another fake point of opposition to the "evil Goverment's story" right? The more effective Government designs the attacks, designs the conspiracy chatter, and creates it's own opposition. 'The more effective Government designs the attacks, designs the conspiracy chatter, and creates it's own opposition.'

Yes, and it does of course do that. It leaves no stone unturned. And yet

'What do you think the purpose of spreading nonsense like "a rocket hit the Pentagon" really is?'

You seems to be a bit too clever to believe the incredibly b.s. govt. story. Downright Chomskyesque. Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments

NoseytheDuke , April 11, 2017 at 12:33 am GMT \n
100 Words @2stateshmoostate Excellent article.
I think there are only two way we might end control of the US government by the traitors who perpetrated 911.
One is to expose them at their most vulnerable point and that is 911. That attack doesn't hold up to reason. There's an endless of inconsistencies and contradictions that I won't go into here. How to get the attention of the American people? I don't know. I don't understand why the leaders adversarial states don't bring up the obvious fact that 911 was a false flag operation. This in order to DE-legitimize or create suspicion towards the US government. This is the kind of story I would think RT news would publish, and maybe they will if hostilities escalate between Russia and the US.
The other way we might get rid of these traitors is how Argentina got rid of the Generals; A massive military defeat that causes even the mindless lumps that are most of Americans to set up and take notice.
Ultimately these traitors will go, it's only a question of when and how much damage they do in the mean time.
Also I want to congratulate Mr. Dinh on his accurate prediction in a previous article that Trump was just another neocon puppet. I always agreed with that, because the scum that did 911 were not about to let anyone they don't control, get elected president of the US. Back to basics, handbills and posters pasted at stations, train and bus windows, at busy intersections, college notice boards, shopping centres etc. Stencils with succinct slogans can be distributed via websites and blogs then sprayed on to sidewalks especially busy intersections. Hard-to-remove bumper stickers can be affixed to buses, taxis and commercial vehicles. It won't happen overnight but as the awareness grows so the tipping point becomes ever closer. Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
dninmore , April 11, 2017 at 12:39 am GMT \n
@anarchyst Not only that, but the ATF and FBI agents were told to stay home that day...there was an article in the Chicago Tribune on the Sunday following the blast that stated as such... Don't forget about Odigo and who else didn't show up that day Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
NoseytheDuke , April 11, 2017 at 12:39 am GMT \n
@dninmore Thank you. Lol. Dyslexia. Yes, you are correct. B25 carried about 1,000 gallons of fuel, but could use an auxiliary tank to carry almost 1,500 gallons.

My point is that, regardless of the amount of fuel, we know most of it burns off in the initial explosion and the rest burns off in a few minutes.

The firefighters who arrived and witnessed the impact floors said they could knock down the fires with 2 or 3 lines - and they had lots of experience fighting fires in the towers.

To the idea that the fires were burning so hot to melt steel - a physical impossibility - why were so many people seen 40 minutes after, clinging to the structure at the windows? They should have been incinerated, but weren't. B25 burned petrol (gasoline) whilst the jets that struck the towers burned a far less flammable jet fuel (refined kerosine). Read More

daniel le mouche , April 11, 2017 at 12:39 am GMT \n
100 Words @Sam J. Most of the people here already know the story but to make sure others understand. There is no way possible that building #7 could have fallen the way it did without some type of demolition. I will explain. On 9-11 Building #7 fell the same speed as a rock dropped beside it in free air for roughly 108 feet. This means the building had no resistance to falling except air. Impossible without explosives.

All materials fall the same speed in a gravity field disregarding air friction which I don't thing we need to worry about for a building falling. So the speed of our imaginary rock falling next to the building is just gravity related. The speed of the buildings falling, the exact same as the rock, is just gravity also. This means that there was NOTHING to slow the fall of the building. The density of the material under the imaginary rock falling was air. The building fell the same therefore the density of the material under the building was also air. We know this is not true. Building #7 was not hovering in the air. The lower portions of the building were demoed out from under it.

It's makes NO difference how big the fires were. The buildings density never reached the same value as air! The fires did not boil away the building structure where it was light as air! All the talk about damage, fires, this, that, all bullshit because the building fell with all four corners almost level the same speed as a rock in AIR. If a building falls as fast as a rock and the rock is falling through JUST AIR then the building is falling through JUST AIR also. Simple equivalence. 1=1, 2=2, big rock falling in air=small rock falling in air=building falling in air. One problem is people sometimes believe that a really heavy thing will fall faster than a lighter thing. Not true. Look at this video of the Apollo astronaut dropping a feather and a hammer on the Moon. They land at the same time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C5_dOEyAfk

This is one of the best videos I've seen on the building #1 and #2. It's by a Mechanical Engineer. It's very interesting by itself even if you don't believe in any conspiracy, it's shows the towers, how they're designed and there's no hold your breath type speculation stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABuCO5ifeIE

The was a person in the building when some explosions happened. Barry Jennings a Emergency Management Worker who was in the building by accident and testified on tape the day it happened and later to a separate film crew. My guess is building 7 was supposed to come down at the same time the North tower fell and it's fall would covered by the dust plum or just in the general confusion but it didn't. Somebody screwed up. Building 7's fall is the single best piece of information on 9-11 being a false flag and they know it. There's no way possible to twist the fall of this building into any reality without there being some demo or whatever to destroy the bottom out from under it. Yes, and the Twin Towers came down at freefall speed too–all I needed, having knowledge of this basic principle of physics, to say, 'That's impossible.' It was and is, of course.
But there's no piece in their idiotic puzzle that makes any more sense. Building 7, the Pentagon where no plane was to be seen, Shanksville's crater, and debris scattered for miles, etc. etc. etc. etc.
Still, all the moles and trolls keep the petal to the metal, repeat, repeat–'Konspearissy Kkoooockss, HaHaHaHaHA'. Read More Agree: Amanda

daniel le mouche , April 11, 2017 at 12:59 am GMT \n
Also Wayfarer,
'infighting within the Caucasoid race, caused by conflicting dogma that originates from "sacred texts".
This is a load of crap. There is only deep cynicism in the rarified air and dizzying heights of Master. George Bush is a devout born again–crap. Tony Blair has converted to Catholicism–crap. Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments
Bill Jones , April 11, 2017 at 1:14 am GMT \n
@dninmore Right. Thank you. Dan Rather's live comment that "it looks like one of those demolitions you see" never is mentioned, again, despite all of the witness testimony to "multiple explosions". Nothing to see here. Not one day spent in a court of law over the greatest crime on American soil. The greatest crime on American soil was Truman's approval of the State of Israel. Read More
utu , April 11, 2017 at 1:35 am GMT \n
@Bill Jones The greatest crime on American soil was Truman's approval of the State of Israel. First Truman was getting hints that he might be assassinated

Israel's Stern Gang Mailed Letter Bomb to White House, President Truman
https://www.richardsilverstein.com/2016/10/11/israels-stern-gang-mailed-letter-bomb-white-house-president-truman/

and then Truman accepted a suitcase with $2 million during presidential campaign (per Gore Vidal)
https://unvis.it/realjewnews.com/?p=217

The well tried Plomo o Plata offer you can't refuse. Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments

dninmore , April 11, 2017 at 1:38 am GMT \n
@NoseytheDuke B25 burned petrol (gasoline) whilst the jets that struck the towers burned a far less flammable jet fuel (refined kerosine). I was unaware. Thank you for that. Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
dninmore , April 11, 2017 at 1:41 am GMT \n
@Bill Jones The greatest crime on American soil was Truman's approval of the State of Israel. Noted, but that doesn't override the law, which is that the resolution was made and voted on in the General Assembly. It needed to be ratified or adopted by the Security Council. It never was, hence its illegitimacy. Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
Bill Jones , April 11, 2017 at 2:06 am GMT \n
500 Words @Amanda Thanks for linking to James Corbett's video on 9/11--unfortunately, it should have many more views The Official Version of 9/11 goes something like this

Directed by a beardy-guy from a cave in Afghanistan, ( This well appointed Suite http://www.edwardjayepstein.com/nether_fictoid3.htm according to the London Times): nineteen hard-drinking, coke-snorting, devout Muslims enjoy lap dances before their mission to meet Allah

Using nothing more than craft knifes, they overpower cabin crew, passengers and pilots on four planes

And hangover or not, they manage to give the world's most sophisticated air defense system the slip

Unfazed by leaving their "How to Fly a Passenger Jet" guide in the car at the airport, they master the controls in no-time and score direct hits on two towers, causing THREE to collapse completely

Our masterminds even manage to overpower the odd law of physics or two and the world watches in awe as steel-framed buildings fall symmetrically – through their own mass – at free-fall speed, for the first time in history.

Despite all their dastardly cunning, they stupidly give their identity away by using explosion-proof passports, which survive the fireball undamaged and fall to the ground only to be discovered by the incredible crime-fighting sleuths at the FBI

Meanwhile down in Washington

Hani Hanjour, having previously flunked 2-man Cessna flying school, gets carried away with all the success of the day and suddenly finds incredible abilities behind the controls of a Boeing

Instead of flying straight down into the large roof area of the Pentagon, he decides to show off a little

Executing an incredible 270 degree downward spiral, he levels off to hit the low facade of the world's most heavily defended building

all without a single shot being fired . or ruining the nicely mowed lawn and all at a speed just too fast to capture on video

Later, in the skies above Pennsylvania

So desperate to talk to loved ones before their death, some passengers use sheer willpower to connect mobile calls that otherwise would not be possible until several years later

And following a heroic attempt by some to retake control of Flight 93, it crashes into a Shankesville field leaving no trace of engines, fuselage or occupants except for the standard issue Muslim terrorists bandana

Further south in Florida

President Bush, our brave Commander-in-Chief continues to read "My Pet Goat" to a class full of primary school children shrugging off the obvious possibility that his life could be in imminent danger

In New York

World Trade Center leaseholder Larry Silverstein blesses his own foresight in insuring the buildings against terrorist attack only six weeks previously

While back in Washington, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz shake their heads in disbelief at their own luck in getting the 'New Pearl Harbor' catalyzing event they so desired to pursue their agenda of world domination

And finally, not to be disturbed too much by reports of their own deaths, at least seven of our nineteen suicide hijackers turn up alive and kicking in mainstream media reports

And If you don't believe this, you are a conspiracy theorist. Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments

Paul C. , April 11, 2017 at 3:32 am GMT \n
100 Words @Si1ver1ock When you see something obviously wrong and the media won't cover it, you start to wonder what else they are lying about.

Rudy Dent is a true hero.

I support a real forensic/criminal investigation of 911. Well said. Unfortunately a real investigation will never occur. As you alluded to, the media is controlled. Controlled by the same cabal that's printing monopoly money and running our finance system, foreign affairs and government. The same evil chemtrailing our skies everyday, pushing vaccines and re-writing history.

Rudy Dent gets it and is a hero for speaking out. Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments

Rob Green , April 11, 2017 at 9:57 am GMT \n
Rudy Dent is a disgraced FDNY ex-fireman who is shunned and hated by his former colleagues for desecrating the memory of those fallen on 9/11. He should rot in hell for the fabrications he is spewing about the deaths of his former brothers. Read More
daniel le mouche , April 11, 2017 at 11:13 am GMT \n
@daniel le mouche Haven't read the article yet, but love the woman's sign in the picture--'Our oppression is NOT up for debate'.
And boy does she look oppressed, along with her co-religionists/racists on the top of every profession that manipulates everyone else--hollywood, network tv, radio, newspapers, magazines, the music industry, universities, government, banks.
Nice try, prick. (Not that a single Unz reader was fooled.) my comment 42 was in response to 'sherm's' link to a daily beast 'article' titled 'jew-hater christopher bollyn etc.' which i'm sure conclusively debunks rudy dent just as 'sherm' says. Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
daniel le mouche , April 11, 2017 at 11:43 am GMT \n
100 Words @Amanda Article mentioned Rothschilds instigating, orchestrating, and profiting from WW2 and I also wanted to add what loyal American Jew, Benjamin Freedman had to say about WW1 and WW2 (he ought to know b/c he was the right hand man of Bernard Baruch, Rothschild front-man, basically the Soros of yesterday.

Benjamin Freedman's 1961 Speech at the Willard Hotel (Complete)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhFRGDyX48c

Benjamin H. Freedman's excellent speech on how World War One (and Two) really started and why the U.S. was eventually drawn in. I am only 7 minutes into the video link you provide to Benjamin Freedman's WWI speech, but it has already turned anything I might have thought I knew about that war (admittedly very little) on its head. Thank you for just beginning to shine some light on the (likely) truth! It is just the tip of the iceberg, but people are starting to put the pieces together to who's behind our horrific modern dystopia. A century of most costly slumber by European and American masses. One's rage wells up
(What heartbreaking old footage of maimed soldiers, and to think of all the carnage ever since, ever ongoing.) Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments

Timur The Lame , April 11, 2017 at 12:09 pm GMT \n
400 Words @ Bill Jones,

Good summary. Added to which was the air defense stand down ( subsequently revealed to be anti- terror exercises) which was the situation that immediatley set bells off for me before all the other facts came in. I had an amateur interest in military aircraft and defense procedures and thought wtf?

While most people, myself included, were in a state of shock during the first day, they already were filling the airwaves with stories about how the terrorists "turned the transponders off" and therefore the huge passenger jets were supposedly invisible.

Think about this for a second. This technologically irrelevant lie was already in the news feed and worked its magic with the hoi polloi. I went to get a haircut that day in a sleepy town and of course there was only one topic discussed while the TV was on in the waiting area. One soccer mom responded to my more skeptical commentary on how the attack could be possible by putting her hands on her hips, school marm' like and yelling "they turned off the transopnders [stupid implied]!" I responded by asking would Chinese or Russian bombers have transponders beeping away in some sort of a fair play gesture when attacking? In other words would the multi-trillion dollar east coast defense structure not have thought of this? Daggers.

Most importantly when discussing 911 now with a Koolaider, bringing up WTC7, which used to be a knockout punch is not as effective because the odd one who prefers the Popular Mechanics dialogue will come back with the debris and diesel crap. The most effective knockout punch now I find is bringing up the immediate anthrax mailings. Most will have either forgotten about it or not known of it in the first place. Play with it. Ask how in the world the Disco Dervishes got their hands on military grade anthrax that was traced back to a US laboratory etc

None are so blind as they who WILL not see and that unfortunately is always the vast majority who cannot allow for their mental structure and the world as they understand it to be blasted into fragments. JFK and 911 will be but two major contemporary events that will not be solved in our lifetimes.

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dninmore , April 11, 2017 at 12:57 pm GMT \n
@Rob Green Rudy Dent is a disgraced FDNY ex-fireman who is shunned and hated by his former colleagues for desecrating the memory of those fallen on 9/11. He should rot in hell for the fabrications he is spewing about the deaths of his former brothers. I think Rudy's a wonderful human being and enjoyed getting to meet and talk with him in Detroit. Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
anarchyst , April 11, 2017 at 2:03 pm GMT \n
200 Words @animalogic I understand that. I am open minded. But, I have been lead to believe that the shooting of Jew's was a considerable % of the 6 MIL. Further, the "camps" we're a response to the expense & general messiness of mass shooting. Let's see the "camps" had libraries, theaters, medical facilities, dining, and other facilities for the "comforts" of the occupants. Doctors, dentists were also available to see to the inmates' medical needs. In fact, many times specialists were brought in for unusual, difficult medical cases. There were also strict rules for the guards that severely punished any misbehavior against the inmates.
If these camps were "killing facilities", why all the amenities?
In addition, the logistics of transferring people from camp to camp had to be enormous.
Germany did not have the fuel to waste on transferring inmates from facility to facility, the idea that the "camps" were "killing facilities" is preposterous. What holocaust ™ promoters never show is the interviews of the (honest) camp occupants who report that there were no "gas chambers" and that they were treated well. These interviews, although available, are never shown. Why?
The truth is, most people survived the camps, and went on to live the rest of their long lives without incident. It is only in the 1960s where "the powers that be" CREATED the holocaust ™ as a "cash cow" that "keeps on giving" to this very day. Read More
republic , April 11, 2017 at 6:08 pm GMT \n
11,600 Words @Amanda Article mentioned Rothschilds instigating, orchestrating, and profiting from WW2 and I also wanted to add what loyal American Jew, Benjamin Freedman had to say about WW1 and WW2 (he ought to know b/c he was the right hand man of Bernard Baruch, Rothschild front-man, basically the Soros of yesterday.

Benjamin Freedman's 1961 Speech at the Willard Hotel (Complete)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhFRGDyX48c

Benjamin H. Freedman's excellent speech on how World War One (and Two) really started and why the U.S. was eventually drawn in. A Jewish Defector Warns America:

Benjamin Freedman Speaks on Zionism

This should do it! For the second and last time we are updating the transcript of Ben Freedman's 1961 speech at the Willard Hotel.

The piece has been posted for over a year now. A few months ago, a person challenged the authenticity of the transcript, because his version stated that Samuel Untermeyer had used the Columbia Broadcasting studios when he declared a worldwide boycott against Germany - in his words: 'A Holy War'. We could not debate the issue, having never heard the actual recording of Mr. Freedman's speech. Today, I discovered that we have a cassette tape of the speech, so I listened to the entire tape while reading the posted transcript. According to Mr. Freedman the radio station used by Untermeyer was, in fact, ABC.

There had also been some simple rearrangements of sentence structure in that transcript, and a line or two omitted in places. For the sake of authenticity, the corrections have been made. The transcript is now word for word from Mr. Freedman's speech.

The original transcriber had 'tidied up' Mr. Freedman's responses during the Q&A period, omitting superfluous and repetitious words. For the most part, we've left the tidied up version as it was, since it didn't change the response, and actually helped to clarify Mr. Freedman's answers. If the names were changed, he could have been making that speech yesterday. - Jackie - April 8, 2003

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Here is our first update notice, about a year ago:

The original posting of this speech was taken from an existing web site. In going through our files we recently discovered a full transcript of the speech and realized the original posting was not complete. Here is the transcript from our files, with additional text at the beginning – some within the body of the speech – and a question and answer section at the end that had not been included in the original posting. There will be further postings from other writers and quotes that will confirm much of what Mr. Freedman said here. Many of you will see the truth of it, as it stands. - Jackie –

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The Truth will stand on its own merit

A Jewish Defector Warns America:

Benjamin Freedman Speaks

by Benjamin H. Freedman

Introductory Note - Benjamin H. Freedman was one of the most intriguing and amazing individuals of the 20th century.

Mr. Freedman, born in 1890, was a successful Jewish businessman of New York City who was at one time the principal owner of the Woodbury Soap Company. He broke with organized Jewry after the Judeo-Communist victory of 1945, and spent the remainder of his life and the great preponderance of his considerable fortune, at least 2.5 million dollars, exposing the Jewish tyranny which has enveloped the United States.

Mr. Freedman knew what he was talking about because he had been an insider at the highest levels of Jewish organizations and Jewish machinations to gain power over our nation. Mr. Freedman was personally acquainted with Bernard Baruch, Samuel Untermyer, Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Roosevelt, Joseph Kennedy, and John F. Kennedy, and many more movers and shakers of our times.

This speech was given before a patriotic audience in 1961 at the Willard Hotel in Washington, D.C., on behalf of Conde McGinley's patriotic newspaper of that time, Common Sense. Though in some minor ways this wide-ranging and extemporaneous speech has become dated, Mr. Freedman's essential message to us - his warning to the West - is more urgent than ever before. - K.A.S. -

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A CHRISTIAN VIEW OF THE HOLOCAUST

Ladies and gentlemen, you are about to hear a very frightening speech. This speech is an explanation of the plans now being laid to throw the United States into a third world war. It was made a short time ago before a large group in the Congressional `Room of the Willard Hotel in Washington, D.C. Both the speech and the question and answer period later so electrified the audience that a group of patriots has transferred it to two long-playing records which you may buy to play for friends, clubs, and your church group in your community. The speaker is Mr. Benjamin Freedman, noted authority on Zionism and all of its schemes. Mr. Freedman is a former Jew, and I mean a FORMER Jew. He has fought the Communist world conspiracy tooth and nail, and stands today as a leading American patriot. We now take you to the speaker's platform to present Benjamin Freedman.

(applause)

[Freedman's speech]

What I intend to tell you tonight is something that you have never been able to learn from any other source, and what I tell you now concerns not only you, but your children and the survival of this country and Christianity. I'm not here just to dish up a few facts to send up your blood pressure, but I'm here to tell you things that will help you preserve what you consider the most sacred things in the world: the liberty, and the freedom, and the right to live as Christians, where you have a little dignity, and a little right to pursue the things that your conscience tells you are the right things, as Christians.

Now, first of all, I'd like to tell you that on August 25th 1960 - that was shortly before elections - Senator Kennedy, who is now the President of the United States, went to New York, and delivered an address to the Zionist Organization of America. In that address, to reduce it to its briefest form, he stated that he would use the armed forces of the United States to preserve the existence of the regime set up in Palestine by the Zionists who are now in occupation of that area.

In other words, Christian boys are going to be yanked out of their homes, away from their families, and sent abroad to fight in Palestine against the Christian and Moslem Arabs who merely want to return to their homes. And these Christian boys are going to be asked to shoot to kill these innocent [Arab Palestinians] people who only want to follow out fifteen resolutions passed by the United Nations in the last twelve years calling upon the Zionists to allow these people to return to their homes.

Now, when United States troops appear in the Middle East to fight with the Zionists as their allies to prevent the return of these people who were evicted from their homes in the 1948 armed insurrection by the Zionists who were transplanted there from Eastern Europe when that happens, the United States will trigger World War III.

You say, when will that take place? The answer is, as soon as the difficulty between France and Algeria has been settled, that will take place. As soon as France and Algeria have been settled, that will take place. As soon as France and Algeria have settled their difficulty, and the Arab world, or the Moslem world, has no more war on their hands with France, they are going to move these people back into their homes, and when they do that and President kennedy sends your sons to fight over there to help the crooks hold on to what they stole from innocent men, women and children, we will trigger World War III; and when that starts you can be sure we cannot emerge from that war a victor. We are going to lose that war because there is not one nation in the world that will let one of their sons fight with us for such a cause.

I know and speak to these ambassadors in Washington and the United Nations - and of the ninety-nine nations there, I've consulted with maybe seventy of them - and when we go to war in Palestine to help the thieves retain possession of what they have stolen from these innocent people we're not going to have a man there to fight with us as our ally.

And who will these people have supporting them, you ask. Well, four days after President Kennedy - or he was then Senator Kennedy - made that statement on August 28, 1960, the Arab nations called a meeting in Lebanon and there they decided to resurrect, or reactivate, the government of Palestine, which has been dormant more or less, since the 1948 armed insurrection by the Zionists.

Not only that they ordered the creation of the Palestine Army, and they are now drilling maybe a half a million soldiers in that area of the world to lead these people back to their homeland. With them, they have as their allies all the nations of what is termed the Bandung Conference Group. That includes the Soviet Union and every Soviet Union satellite. It includes Red China; it includes every independent country in Asia and Africa; or eighty percent of the world's total population. Eighty percent of the world's population. Four out of five human beings on the face of the earth will be our enemies at war with us. And not alone are they four out of five human beings now on the face of this earth, but they are the non-Christian population of the world and they are the non-Caucasians the non-white nations of the world, and that's what we face.

And what is the reason? The reason is that here in the United States, the Zionists and their co-religionists have complete control of our government. For many reasons too many and too complex to go into here at this - time I'll be glad to answer questions, however, to support that statement - the Zionists and their co-religionists rule this United States as though they were the absolute monarchs of this country.

Now, you say, 'well, that's a very broad statement to make', but let me show what happened while you were - I don't want to wear that out - let me show what happened while WE were all asleep. I'm including myself with you. We were all asleep. What happened?

World War I broke out in the summer of 1914. Nineteen-hundred and fourteen was the year in which World War One broke out. There are few people here my age who remember that. Now that war was waged on one side by Great Britain, France, and Russia; and on the other side by Germany, Austria-Hungary, and Turkey. What happened?

Within two years Germany had won that war: not alone won it nominally, but won it actually. The German submarines, which were a surprise to the world, had swept all the convoys from the Atlantic Ocean, and Great Britain stood there without ammunition for her soldiers, stood there with one week's food supply facing her - and after that, starvation.

At that time, the French army had mutinied. They lost 600,000 of the flower of French youth in the defense of Verdun on the Somme. The Russian army was defecting. They were picking up their toys and going home, they didn't want to play war anymore, they didn't like the Czar. And the Italian army had collapsed.

Now Germany - not a shot had been fired on the German soil. Not an enemy soldier had crossed the border into Germany. And yet, here was Germany offering England peace terms. They offered England a negotiated peace on what the lawyers call a status quo ante basis. That means: "Let's call the war off, and let everything be as it was before the war started."

Well, England, in the summer of 1916 was considering that. Seriously! They had no choice. It was either accepting this negotiated peace that Germany was magnanimously offering them, or going on with the war and being totally defeated.

While that was going on, the Zionists in Germany, who represented the Zionists from Eastern Europe, went to the British War Cabinet and - I am going to be brief because this is a long story, but I have all the documents to prove any statement that I make if anyone here is curious, or doesn't believe what I'm saying is at all possible - the Zionists in London went to the British war cabinet and they said: "Look here. You can yet win this war. You don't have to give up. You don't have to accept the negotiated peace offered to you now by Germany. You can win this war if the United States will come in as your ally."

The United States was not in the war at that time. We were fresh; we were young; we were rich; we were powerful. They [Zionists] told England: "We will guarantee to bring the United States into the war as your ally, to fight with you on your side, if you will promise us Palestine after you win the war."

In other words, they made this deal: "We will get the United States into this war as your ally. The price you must pay us is Palestine after you have won the war and defeated Germany, Austria-Hungary, and Turkey."

Now England had as much right to promise Palestine to anybody, as the United States would have to promise Japan to Ireland for any reason whatsoever. It's absolutely absurd that Great Britain - that never had any connection or any interest or any right in what is known as Palestine - should offer it as coin of the realm to pay the Zionists for bringing the United States into the war.

However, they made that promise, in October of 1916. October, nineteen hundred and sixteen. And shortly after that - I don't know how many here remember it - the United States, which was almost totally pro-German - totally pro-German - because the newspapers here were controlled by Jews, the bankers were Jews, all the media of mass communications in this country were controlled by Jews, and they were pro-German because their people, in the majority of cases came from Germany, and they wanted to see Germany lick the Czar.

The Jews didn't like the Czar, and they didn't want Russia to win this war. So the German bankers - the German-Jews - Kuhn Loeb and the other big banking firms in the United States refused to finance France or England to the extent of one dollar. They stood aside and they said: "As long as France and England are tied up with Russia, not one cent!" But they poured money into Germany, they fought with Germany against Russia, trying to lick the Czarist regime.

Now those same Jews, when they saw the possibility of getting Palestine, they went to England and they made this deal. At that time, everything changed, like the traffic light that changes from red to green. Where the newspapers had been all pro-German, where they'd been telling the people of the difficulties that Germany was having fighting Great Britain commercially and in other respects, all of a sudden the Germans were no good. They were villains. They were Huns. They were shooting Red Cross nurses. They were cutting off babies' hands. And they were no good.

Well, shortly after that, Mr. Wilson declared war on Germany.

The Zionists in London sent these cables to the United States, to Justice Brandeis: "Go to work on President Wilson. We're getting from England what we want. Now you go to work, and you go to work on President Wilson and get the United States into the war." And that did happen. That's how the United States got into the war. We had no more interest in it; we had no more right to be in it than we have to be on the moon tonight instead of in this room.

Now the war - World War One - in which the United States participated had absolutely no reason to be our war. We went in there - we were railroaded into it - if I can be vulgar, we were suckered into - that war merely so that the Zionists of the world could obtain Palestine. Now, that is something that the people in the United States have never been told. They never knew why we went into World War One. Now, what happened?

After we got into the war, the Zionists went to Great Britain and they said: "Well, we performed our part of the agreement. Let's have something in writing that shows that you are going to keep your bargain and give us Palestine after you win the war." Because they didn't know whether the war would last another year or another ten years. So they started to work out a receipt. The receipt took the form of a letter, and it was worded in very cryptic language so that the world at large wouldn't know what it was all about. And that was called the Balfour Declaration.

The Balfour Declaration was merely Great Britain's promise to pay the Zionists what they had agreed upon as a consideration for getting the United States into the war. So this great Balfour Declaration, that you hear so much about, is just as phony as a three dollar bill. And I don't think I could make it more emphatic than that.

Now, that is where all the trouble started. The United States went in the war. The United States crushed Germany. We went in there, and it's history. You know what happened. Now, when the war was ended, and the Germans went to Paris, to the Paris Peace Conference in 1919, there were 117 Jews there, as a delegation representing the Jews, headed by Bernard Baruch. I was there: I ought to know. Now what happened?

The Jews at that peace conference, when they were cutting up Germany and parceling out Europe to all these nations that claimed a right to a certain part of European territory, the Jews said, "How about Palestine for us?" And they produced, for the first time to the knowledge of the Germans, this Balfour Declaration. So the Germans, for the first time realized, "Oh, that was the game! That's why the United States came into the war." And the Germans for the first time realized that they were defeated, they suffered this terrific reparation that was slapped onto them, because the Zionists wanted Palestine and they were determined to get it at any cost.

Now, that brings us to another very interesting point. When the Germans realized this, they naturally resented it. Up to that time, the Jews had never been better off in any country in the world than they had been in Germany.

You had Mr. Rathenau there, who was maybe 100 times as important in industry and finance as is Bernard Baruch in this country. You had Mr. Balin, who owned the two big steamship lines, the North German Lloyd's and the Hamburg-American Lines. You had Mr. Bleichroder, who was the banker for the Hohenzollern family. You had the Warburgs in Hamburg, who were the big merchant bankers - the biggest in the world. The Jews were doing very well in Germany. No question about that. Now, the Germans felt: "Well, that was quite a sellout."

It was a sellout that I can best compare - suppose the United States was at war today with the Soviet Union. And we were winning. And we told the Soviet Union: "Well, let's quit. We offer you peace terms. Let's forget the whole thing." And all of a sudden Red China came into the war as an ally of the Soviet Union. And throwing them into the war brought about our defeat. A crushing defeat, with reparations the likes of which man's imagination cannot encompass.

Imagine, then, after that defeat, if we found out that it was the Chinese in this country, our Chinese citizens, who all the time we thought they were loyal citizens working with us, were selling us out to the Soviet Union and that it was through them that Red China was brought into the war against us. How would we feel, in the United States against Chinese? I don't think that one of them would dare show his face on any street. There wouldn't be lampposts enough, convenient, to take care of them. Imagine how we would feel.

Well, that's how the Germans felt towards these Jews. "We've been so nice to them"; and from 1905 on, when the first Communist revolution in Russia failed, and the Jews had to scramble out of Russia, they all went to Germany. And Germany gave them refuge. And they were treated very nicely. And here they sold Germany down the river for no reason at all other than they wanted Palestine as a so-called "Jewish commonwealth."

Now, Nahum Sokolow - all the great leaders, the big names that you read about in connection with Zionism today - they, in 1919, 1920, '21, '22, and '23, they wrote in all their papers - and the press was filled with their statements - that "the feeling against the Jews in Germany is due to the fact that they realized that this great defeat was brought about by our intercession and bringing the United States into the war against them."

The Jews themselves admitted that. It wasn't that the Germans in 1919 discovered that a glass of Jewish blood tasted better than Coca-Cola or Muenschner Beer. There was no religious feeling. There was no sentiment against those people merely on account of their religious belief. It was all political. It was economic. It was anything but religious.

Nobody cared in Germany whether a Jew went home and pulled down the shades and said "Shema' Yisrael" or "Our Father." No one cared in Germany any more than they do in the United States. Now this feeling that developed later in Germany was due to one thing: that the Germans held the Jews responsible for their crushing defeat, for no reason at all, because World War One was started against Germany for no reason for which they [Germans] were responsible. They were guilty of nothing. Only of being successful. They built up a big navy. They built up world trade.

You must remember, Germany, at the time of Napoleon, at the time of the French Revolution, what was the German Reich consisted of 300 - three hundred! - small city-states, principalities, dukedoms, and so forth. Three hundred little separate political entities. And between that time, between the period of. . . between Napoleon and Bismarck, they were consolidated into one state. And within 50 years after that time they became one of the world's great powers. Their navy was rivalling Great Britain's, they were doing business all over the world, they could undersell anybody and make better products. And what happened? What happened as a result of that?

There was a conspiracy between England, France, and Russia that: "We must slap down Germany", because there isn't one historian in the world that can find a valid reason why those three countries decided to wipe Germany off the map politically. Now, what happened after that?

When Germany realized that the Jews were responsible for her defeat, they naturally resented it. But not a hair on the head of any Jew was harmed. Not a single hair. Professor Tansill, of Georgetown University, who had access to all the secret papers of the State Department, wrote in his book, and quoted from a State Department document written by Hugo Schoenfelt, a Jew who Cordell Hull sent to Europe in 1933 to investigate the so-called camps of political prisoners. And he wrote back that he found them in very fine condition.

They were in excellent shape; everybody treated well. And they were filled with Communists. Well, a lot of them were Jews, because the Jews happened to be maybe 98 per cent of the Communists in Europe at that time. And there were some priests there, and ministers, and labor leaders, Masons, and others who had international affiliations.

Now, the Jews sort of tried to keep the lid on this fact. They didn't want the world to really understand that they had sold out Germany, and that the Germans resented that.

So they did take appropriate action against them [against the Jews]. They. . . shall I say, discriminated against them wherever they could? They shunned them. The same as we would the Chinese, or the Negroes, or the Catholics, or anyone in this country who had sold us out to an enemy and brought about our defeat.

Now, after a while, the Jews of the world didn't know what to do, so they called a meeting in Amsterdam. Jews from every country in the world attended in July 1933. And they said to Germany: "You fire Hitler! And you put every Jew back into his former position, whether he was a Communist, no matter what he was. You can't treat us that way! And we, the Jews of the world, are calling upon you, and serving this ultimatum upon you." Well, the Germans told them. . . you can imagine. So what did they [the Jews] do?

They broke up, and Samuel Untermyer, if the name means anything to people here. . . (You want to ask a question? - Uh, there were no Communists in Germany at that time. they were called 'Social Democrats.)

Well, I don't want to go by what they were called. We're now using English words, and what they were called in Germany is not very material. . . but they were Communists, because in 1917, the Communists took over Germany for a few days. Rosa Luxembourg and Karl Liebknecht, and a group of Jews in Germany took over the government for three days. In fact, when the Kaiser ended the war, he fled to Holland because he thought the Communists were going to take over Germany as they did Russia, and that he was going to meet the same fate that the Czar did in Russia. So he left and went to Holland for safety and for security.

Now, at that time, when the Communist threat in Germany was quashed, it was quiet, the Jews were working, still trying to get back into their former - their status - and the Germans fought them in every way they could, without hurting a hair on anyone's head. The same as one group, the Prohibitionists, fought the people who were interested in liquor, and they didn't fight one another with pistols, they did it every way they could.

Well, that's the way they were fighting the Jews in Germany. And, at that time, mind you, there were 80 to 90 million Germans and there were only 460,000 Jews. . . less than one half of one percent of Germany were Jews. And yet, they controlled all of the press, they controlled most of the economy, because they had come in and with cheap money - you know the way the Mark was devalued - they bought up practically everything.

Well, in 1933 when Germany refused to surrender, mind you, to the World Conference of Jews in Amsterdam, they broke up and Mr. Untermeyer came back to the United States - who was the head of the American delegation and the president of the whole conference - and he went from the steamer to ABC and made a radio broadcast throughout the United States in which he said:

"The Jews of the world now declare a Holy War against Germany. We are now engaged in a sacred conflict against the Germans. And we are going to starve them into surrender. We are going to use a world-wide boycott against them, that will destroy them because they are dependent upon their export business."

And it is a fact that two thirds of Germany's food supply had to be imported, and it could only be imported with the proceeds of what they exported. Their labor. So if Germany could not export, two thirds of Germany's population would have to starve. There just was not enough food for more than one third of the population.

Now in this declaration, which I have here, it was printed on page - a whole page - in the New York Times on August 7, 1933, Mr. Samuel Untermyer boldly stated that: "this economic boycott is our means of self-defense. President Roosevelt has advocated its use in the NRA" . [National Recovery Administration] - which some of you may remember, where everybody was to be boycotted unless they followed the rules laid down by the New Deal, which of course was declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court at that time.

Nevertheless, the Jews of the world declared a boycott against Germany, and it was so effective that you couldn't find one thing in any store anywhere in the world with the words "made in Germany" on it.

In fact, an executive of the Woolworth Company told me that they had to dump millions of dollars worth of crockery and dishes into the river; that their stores were boycotted. If anyone came in and found a dish marked "made in Germany," they were picketed with signs: "Hitler", "murderer", and so forth, and like - something like these sit-ins that are taking place in the South.

R. H. Macy, which is controlled by a family called Strauss who also happen to be Jews. . . a woman found stockings there which came from Chemnitz, marked "made in Germany". Well, they were cotton stockings. They may have been there 20 years, because since I've been observing women's legs in the last twenty years, I haven't seen a pair with cotton stockings on them. So Macy! I saw Macy boycotted, with hundreds of people walking around with signs saying "MURDERS" and "HITLERITES", and so forth.

Now up to that time, not one hair on the head of any Jew had been hurt in Germany. There was no suffering, there was no starvation, there was no murder, there was nothing.

Now, that. . . naturally, the Germans said, "Why, who are these people to declare a boycott against us and throw all our people out of work, and our industries come to a standstill? Who are they to do that to us?" They naturally resented it. Certainly they painted swastikas on stores owned by Jews.

Why should a German go in and give their money to a storekeeper who was part of a boycott who was going to starve Germany into surrender into the Jews of the world, who were going to dictate who their premier or chancellor was to be? Well, it was ridiculous.

That continued for some time, and it wasn't until 1938, when a young Jew from Poland walked into the German embassy in Paris and shot one of the officials [a German official] that the Germans really started to get rough with the Jews in Germany. And you found them then breaking windows and having street fights and so forth.

Now, for anyone to say that - I don't like to use the word 'anti-Semitism' because it's meaningless, but it means something to you still, so I'll have to use it - the only reason that there was any feeling in Germany against Jews was that they were responsible: number one, for World War One; number two, for this world-wide boycott, and number three - did I say for World War One, they were responsible? For the boycott - and also for World War II, because after this thing got out of hand, it was absolutely necessary for the Jews and Germany to lock horns in a war to see which one was going to survive.

In the meanwhile, I had lived in Germany, and I knew that the Germans had decided [that] Europe is going to be Christian or Communist: there is no in between. It's going to be Christian or it's going to be Communist. And the Germans decided: "We're going to keep it Christian if possible". And they started to re-arm.

And there intention was - by that time the United States had recognized the Soviet Union, which they did in November, 1933 - the Soviet Union was becoming very powerful, and Germany realized: "Well, our turn is going to come soon, unless we are strong." The same as we in this country are saying today, "Our turn is going to come soon, unless we are strong."

And our government is spending 83 or 84 billion dollars of your money for defense, they say. Defense against whom? Defense against 40,000 little Jews in Moscow that took over Russia, and then, in their devious ways, took over control of many other governments of the world.

Now, for this country to now be on the verge of a Third World War, from which we cannot emerge a victor, is something that staggers my imagination. I know that nuclear bombs are measured in terms of megatons. A megaton is a term used to describe one million tons of TNT. One million tons of TNT is a megaton. Now, our nuclear bombs have a capacity of 10 megatons, or 10 million tons of TNT. That was when they were first developed five or six years ago. Now, the nuclear bombs that are being developed have a capacity of 200 megatons, and God knows how many megatons the nuclear bombs of the Soviet Union have.

So, what do we face now? If we trigger a world war that may develop into a nuclear war, humanity is finished. And why will it take place? It will take place because Act III. . . the curtain goes up on Act III. Act I was World War I. Act II was World War II. Act III is going to be World War III.

The Jews of the world, the Zionists and their co-religionists everywhere, are determined that they are going to again use the United States to help them permanently retain Palestine as their foothold for their world government. Now, that is just as true as I am standing here, because not alone have I read it, but many here have read it, and it's known all over the world.

Now, what are we going to do? The life you save may be your son's. Your boys may be on their way to that war tonight; and you you don't know it any more than you knew that in 1916 in London the Zionists made a deal with the British War Cabinet to send your sons to war in Europe. Did you know it at that time? Not a person in the United States knew it. You weren't permitted to know it.

Who knew it? President Wilson knew it. Colonel House knew it. Other 's knew it. Did I know it? I had a pretty good idea of what was going on: I was liaison to Henry Morgenthau, Sr., in the 1912 campaign when President Wilson was elected, and there was talk around the office there.

I was 'confidential man' to Henry Morgenthau, Sr., who was chairman of the Finance Committee, and I was liaison between him and Rollo Wells, the treasurer. So I sat in these meetings with President Wilson at the head of the table, and all the others, and I heard them drum into President Wilson's brain the graduated income tax and what has become the Federal Reserve, and also indoctrinate him with the Zionist movement.

Justice Brandeis and President Wilson were just as close as the two fingers on this hand, and President Woodrow Wilson was just as incompetent when it came to determining what was going on as a newborn baby. And that's how they got us into World War I, while we all slept.

Now, at this moment at this moment they may be planning this World War III, in which we don't stand a chance even if they don't use nuclear bombs. How can the United States - about five percent of the world - go out and fight eighty to ninety percent of the world on their home ground? How can we do it send our boys over there to be slaughtered? For what? So the Jews can have Palestine as their 'commonwealth'? They've fooled you so much that you don't know whether you're coming or going.

Now any judge, when he charges a jury, says, "Gentlemen, any witness that you find has told a single lie, you can disregard all his testimony." That is correct. I don't know from what state you come, but in New York state that is the way a judge addresses a jury. If that witness said one lie, disregard his testimony.

Now, what are the facts about the Jews?

The Jews - I call them Jews to you, because they are known as Jews. I don't call them Jews. I refer to them as so-called Jews, because I know what they are. If Jesus was a Jew, there isn't a Jew in the world today, and if those people are Jews, certainly our Lord and Savior was not one of them, and I can prove that.

Now what happened? The eastern European Jews, who form 92 per cent of the world's population of those people who call themselves Jews, were originally Khazars.

They were a warlike tribe that lived deep in the heart of Asia. And they were so warlike that even the Asiatics drove them out of Asia into eastern Europe - and to reduce this so you don't get too confused about the history of Eastern Europe - they set up this big Khazar kingdom: 800,000 square miles. Only, there was no Russia, there were no other countries, and the Khazar kingdom was the biggest country in all Europe - so big and so powerful that when the other monarchs wanted to go to war, the Khazars would lend them 40,000 soldiers. That's how big and powerful they were.

Now, they were phallic worshippers, which is filthy. I don't want to go into the details of that now. It was their religion the way it was the religion of many other Pagans or Barbarians elsewhere in the world.

Now, the [Khazar] king became so disgusted with the degeneracy of his kingdom that he decided to adopt a so-called monotheistic faith - either Christianity, Islam - the Moslem faith - or what is known today as Judaism - really Talmudism. So, like spinning a top and calling out "eeny, meeny, miney, moe," he picked out so-called Judaism. And that became the state religion.

He sent down to the Talmudic schools of Pumbedita and Sura and brought up thousands of these rabbis with their teachings, and opened up synagogues and schools in his kingdom of 800,000 people - 800,000 thousand square miles - and maybe ten to twenty million people; and they became what we call Jews. There wasn't one of them that had an ancestor that ever put a toe in the Holy Land, not only in Old Testament history, but back to the beginning of time. Not one of them! And yet they come to the Christians and they ask us to support their armed insurrection in Palestine by saying:

"Well, you want to certainly help repatriate God's chosen people to their Promised Land, their ancestral homeland, It's your Christian duty. We gave you one of our boys as your Lord and Savior. You now go to church on Sunday, and kneel and you worship a Jew, and we're Jews."

Well, they were pagan Khazars who were converted just the same as the Irish [were converted]. And it's just as ridiculous to call them "people of the Holy Land," as it would be. . . there are 54 million Chinese Moslems. Fifty four million! And, Mohammed only died in 620 A.D., so in that time, 54 million Chinese have accepted Islam as their religious belief.

Now imagine, in China, 2,000 miles away from Arabia, where the city of Mecca is located, where Mohammed was born. . . imagine if the 54 million Chinese called themselves 'Arabs'. Imagine! Why, you'd say they're lunatics. Anyone who believes that those 54 million Chinese are Arabs must be crazy. All they did was adopt as a religious faith; a belief that had its origin in Mecca, in Arabia.

The same as the Irish. When the Irish became Christians, nobody dumped them in the ocean and imported from the Holy Land a new crop of inhabitants that were Christians. They weren't different people. They were the same people, but they had accepted Christianity as a religious faith.

Now, these Pagans, these Asiatics, these Turko-Finns. . . they were a Mongoloid race who were forced out of Asia into eastern Europe. They likewise, because their king took the faith - Talmudic faith - they had no choice. Just the same as in Spain: If the king was Catholic, everybody had to be a Catholic. If not, you had to get out of Spain. So everybody - they lived on the land just like the trees and the bushes; a human being belonged to the land under their feudal system - so they [Khazars] all became what we call today, Jews!

Now imagine how silly it was for the Christians. . . for the great Christian countries of the world to say, "We're going to use our power, our prestige to repatriate God's chosen people to their ancestral homeland, their Promised Land."

Now, could there be a bigger lie than that? Could there be a bigger lie than that?

And because they control the newspapers, the magazines, the radio, the television, the book publishing business, they have the ministers in the pulpit, they have the politicians on the soap boxes talking the same language . . . so naturally you'd believe black is white if you heard it often enough. You wouldn't call black black anymore - you'd start to call black white. And nobody could blame you.

Now, that is one of the great lies. . . that is the foundation of all the misery that has befallen the world. Because after two wars fought in Europe - World War I and World War II - if it wasn't possible for them to live in peace and harmony with the people in Europe, like their brethren are living in the United States, what were the two wars fought for? Did they have to - like you flush the toilet - because they couldn't get along, did they have to say, "Well, we're going back to our homeland and you Christians can help us"?

I can't understand yet how the Christians in Europe could have been that dumb because every theologian, every history teacher, knew the things that I'm telling you. But, they naturally bribed them, shut them up with money, stuffed their mouths with money, and now. . . I don't care whether you know all this or not. It doesn't make any difference to me whether you know all these facts or not, but it does make a difference to me. I've got, in my family, boys that will have to be in the next war, and I don't want them to go and fight and die like they died in Korea. Like they died in Japan. Like they've died all over the world. For what?

To help crooks hold on to what they stole from innocent people who had been in peaceful possession of that land, those farms, those homes for hundreds and maybe thousands of years? Is that why the United States must go to war? Because the Democratic Party wants New York State - the electoral vote? Illinois, the electoral vote? And Pennsylvania, the electoral vote? which are controlled by the Zionists and their co-religionists?. . . the balance of power?

In New York City there are 400,000 members of the liberal party, all Zionists and their co-religionists. And New York State went for Kennedy by 400,000 votes. Now, I don't blame Mr. Kennedy. I'm fond of Mr. Kennedy. I think he's a great man. I think he can really pull us out of this trouble if we get the facts to him. And I believe he knows a great deal more than his appointments indicate he knows. He's playing with the enemy. Like when you go fishing, you've got to play with the fish. Let 'em out and pull 'em in. Let 'em out and pull 'em in. But knowing Mr. Kennedy's father, and how well informed he is on this whole subject, and how close Kennedy is to his father, I don't think Mr. Kennedy is totally in the dark.

But I do think that it is the duty of every mother, every loyal Christian , every person that regards the defense of this country as a sacred right, that they communicate - not with their congressman, not with their senator, but with President Kennedy. And tell him, "I do not think you should send my boy, or our boys, wearing the uniform of the United States of America, and under the flag that you see here, our red, white and blue, to fight there to help keep in the hands of these that which they have stolen". I think everyone should not alone write once, but keep writing and get your friends to write.

Now, I could go on endlessly, and tell you these things to support what I have just asked you to do. But I don't think it's necessary to do that. You're above the average group in intelligence and I don't think it's necessary to impress this any more.

But. . . I want to tell you one more thing. You talk about "Oh, the Jews. Why the Jews? Christianity. Why, we got Christianity from the Jews and the Jews gave us Jesus, and the Jews gave us our religion". But do you know that on the day of atonement that you think is so sacred to them, that on that day and I was one of them! This is not hearsay. I'm not here to be a rabble-rouser. I'm here to give you facts.

When, on the Day of Atonement, you walk into a synagogue, the very first prayer that you recite, you stand - and it's the only prayer for which you stand - and you repeat three times a short prayer. The Kol Nidre. In that prayer, you enter into an agreement with God Almighty that any oath, vow, or pledge that you may make during the next twelve months - any oath, vow or pledge that you may take during the next twelve months shall be null and void.

The oath shall not be an oath; the vow shall not be a vow; the pledge shall not be a pledge. They shall have no force and effect, and so forth and so on.

And further than that, the Talmud teaches: "Don't forget - whenever you take an oath, vow, and pledge - remember the Kol Nidre prayer that you recited on the Day of Atonement, and that exempts you from fulfilling that".

How much can you depend on their loyalty? You can depend upon their loyalty as much as the Germans depended upon it in 1916.

And we're going to suffer the same fate as Germany suffered, and for the same reason. You can't depend upon something as insecure as the leadership that is not obliged to respect an oath, vow or pledge. Now I could go on and recite many other things to you, but I would have a little respect for your time, and you want to really, uh, get through with all of this. Tomorrow's going to be a long day.

Now I want to say one thing. You ask me. . . well, you think to yourself: "well how did this fellow get mixed up in this the way he got mixed up in it." Well, I opened my mouth in 1945, and I took big pages in newspapers and tried to tell the American people what I'm telling you. And one newspaper after another refused the advertisement. And when I couldn't find a newspaper to take them - I paid cash, not credit - what happened? My lawyer told me, "There's an editor over in Jersey with a paper who will take your announcement". So, I was brought together with Mr. McGinley, and that's how I met him.

So somebody told me the lawyer who introduced me, who was the son of the Dean of the Methodist Bishop, he said: "Well, I think he's a little anti-Semitic. I don't know whether I can get him over here. So he brought him over to my apartment and we hit it off wonderfully, and have since then.

Now, I say this, and I say it without any qualifications. I say it without any reservations. And I say it without any hesitation. . . if it wasn't for the work that Mr. Conley McGinley did with "Common Sense" - he's been sending out from 1,800,000 to 2,000,000 every year - if it wasn't for the work he's been doing sending those out for fifteen years now, we would already be a communist country. Nobody has done what he did to light fires. Many of the other active persons in this fight learned all about if for the first time through "Common Sense".

Now, I have been very active in helping him all I could. I'm not as flush as I was. I cannot go on spending the money. . . I'm not going to take up a collection. Don't worry. I see five people getting up to leave. (laughter)

I haven't got the money that I used to spend. I used to print a quarter of a million of them out of my own pocket and send them out. Mr. McGinley, when I first met him, had maybe 5,000 printed and circulated them locally. So I said, "With what you know and what I know, we can really do a good job". So I started printing in outside shops of big newspaper companies, a quarter of a million, and paid for them. Well, there's always a bottom to the barrel. I suppose we've all reached that at times.

I'm not so poor that I can't live without working and that's what worries the Anti-Defamation League. I can just get by without going and asking for a job or getting on the bread line. But Mr. McGinley is working. He's sick and he's going at this stronger than ever. And all I want to say is that they want to close up "Common Sense" more than any other single thing in the whole world, as a death-blow to the fight Christians are making to survive.

So I just want to tell you this. All they do is circulate rumors: "Mr. Benjamin H. Freedman is the wealthy backer of 'Common Sense'." The reason they do that is to discourage the people in the United States: don't send any money to Common Sense. They don't need it. The've got the wealthy Mr. Freedman as a backer. That all has strategy. They don't want to advertise me so that people that have real estate or securities to sell will come and call on me. They just want people to lay off "Common Sense". And all I'm telling you is, I do try to help him, but I haven't been able to. And I will be very honest. One thing I won't do is lie. In the last year I've had so much sickness in my family that I could not give him one dollar.

How he's managed to survive, I don't know. God alone knows. And he must be in God's care because how he's pulled through his sickness and with his financial troubles, I don't know. But that press is working. . . and every two weeks about a hundred or a hundred-fifty-thousand of "Common Sense" go out with a new message. And if that information could be multiplied. . . if people that now get it could buy ten or twenty five, or fifty, give them around. Plow that field. Sow those seeds, you don't know which will take root, but for God's sake, this is our last chance.

[Freedman then discusses the importance of people forgoing unnecessary purchases to 'buy more stuff', play golf, etc., and use the money to keep "Common Sense" going. He explains that the paper is going in debt; could be closed down and he (Freedman) no longer has the funds, having spent some $2,400,000 in his attempt to bring the information to the American public and elected officials. He then asks for questions from the audience.)

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Freedman: All right, I'll comment on that. This is rather deep, but you all have a very high degree of intelligence, so I'm going to make an attempt. In the time of Bible history, there was a geographic area known as Judea. Judea was a province of the Roman Empire. Now, a person who lived in Judea was known as a Judean, and in Latin it was Judaeus; in Greek it was Judaius. Those are the two words, in Greek and Latin, for a Judean.

Now, in Latin and Greek there is no such letter as 'j', and the first syllable of Judaeus and Judaius starts 'ghu'. Now, when the Bible was written, it was first written in Greek, Latin, Panantic, Syriac, Aramaic all those languages. Never Was the word Jew in any of them because the word didn't exist. Judea was the country, and the people were Judeans, and Jesus was referred to only as a Judean. I've seen those early the earliest scripts available.

In 1345, a man by the name of Wycliffe in England thought that it was time to translate the Bible into English. There was no English edition of the Bible because who the Devil could read? It was only the educated church people who could read Latin and Greek, Syriac, Aramaic and the other languages. Anyhow, Wycliffe translated the Bible into English. But in it, he had to look around for some words for Judaeas and Judaius.

There was no English word because Judea had passed out of existence. There was no Judea. People had long ago forgotten that. So in the first translation he used the word, in referring to Jesus, as 'gyu', "jew". At the time, there was no printing press.

Then, between 1345 and the 17th century, when the press came into use, that word passed through so many changes I have them all here. If you want I can read them to you. I will. That word 'gyu' which was in the Wycliffe Bible became. . . first it was ' gyu ', then ' giu ', then ' iu ' (because the ' i ' in Latin is pronounced like the ' j '. Julius Caesar is ' Iul ' because there is no 'j' in Latin) then ' iuw ', then ' ieuu ', then ' ieuy ', then ' iwe ', then ' iow ', then ' iewe ', all in Bibles as time went on. Then ' ieue ', then ' iue ', then ' ive ', and then ' ivw ', and finally in the 18th century ' jew '. Jew.

All the corrupt and contracted forms for Judaius, and Judaeas in Latin. Now, there was no such thing as 'Jew', and any theologian - I've lectured in maybe 20 of the most prominent theological seminaries in this country, and two in Europe - there was no such word as Jew. There only was Judea, and Jesus was a Judean and the first English use of a word in an English bible to describe him was 'gyu' - Jew. A contracted and shortened form of Judaeus, just the same as we call a laboratory a 'lab', and gasoline 'gas' a tendency to short up.

So, in England there were no public schools; people didn't know how to read; it looked like a scrambled alphabet so they made a short word out of it. Now for a theologian to say that you can't harm the Jews, is just ridiculous. I'd like to know where in the scriptures it says that. I'd like to know the text.

Look at what happened to Germany for touching Jews. What would you, as a citizen of the United States, do to people who did to you what the so-called Jews - the Pollacks and Litvaks and Litzianers - they weren't Jews, as I just explained to you. They were Eastern Europeans who'd been converted to Talmudism. There was no such thing as Judaism. Judaism was a name given in recent years to this religion known in Bible history as Torah [inaudible]. No Jew or no educated person ever heard of Judaism. It didn't exist. They pulled it out of the air. . . a meaningless word.

Just like 'anti-Semitic'. The Arab is a Semite. And the Christians talk about people who don't like Jews as anti-Semites, and they call all the Arabs anti-Semites. The only Semites in the world are the Arabs. There isn't one Jew who's a Semite. They're all Turkothean Mongoloids. The Eastern european Jews. So, they brainwashed the public, and if you will invite me to meet this reverend who told you these things, I'll convince him and it'll be one step in the right direction. I'll go wherever I have to go to meet him.

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Yes, ma'am. Well I can answer that. First of all, your first premise is wrong. Your first premise that all the Jews are loyal to each other is wrong. Because, the Eastern European Jews outnumber all the rest by so many that they create the impression that they are the Jewish 'race'; that they are the Jewish nation; that they are the Jewish people. . . and the Christians swallow it like a cream puff.

But in 1844 the German rabbis called a conference of rabbis from all over the world for the purpose of abolishing the Kol Nidre from the Day of Atonement religious ceremony. In Brunswick, Germany, where that conference was held in 1844, there was almost a terrific riot. A civil war.

The Eastern Europeans said, "What the hell. We should give up Kol Nidre? That gives us our grip on our people. We give them a franchise so they can tell the Christians, 'Go to hell. We'll make any deal you want', but they don't have to carry it out. That gives us our grip on our people". So, they're not so united, and if you knew the feeling that exists. . .

Now, I'll also show you from an official document by the man responsible for. . . uh, who baptized this race. Here is a paper that we obtained from the archives of the Zionist organization in New York City, and in it is the manuscript by Sir James A. Malcolm, who - on behalf of the British Cabinet - negotiated the deal with these Zionists.

And in here he says that all the jews in England were against it. The Jews who had been there for years, the [inaudible - probably Sephardim], those who had Portuguese and Spanish ad Dutch ancestry who were monotheists and believed in that religious belief. That was while the Eastern European Jews were still running around in the heart of Asia and then came into Europe. But they had no more to do with them than. . . can we talk about a Christian 'race'? or a Christian religion? or are the Christians united?

So the same disunity is among the Jews. And I'll show you in this same document that when they went to France to try and get the French government to back that Zionist venture, there was only one Jew in France who was for it. That was Rothschild, and they did it because they were interested in the oil and the Suez Canal

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[Question inaudible] Freedman: You know why? Because if they don't, they're decked up. They come around and they tell you how much you must give, and if you don't . . . oh, you're anti-Semitic. Then none of their friends will have anything to do with them, and they start a smear campaign. . . and you have got to give.

In New York city, in the garment center, there are twelve manufacturers in the building. And when the drive is on to sell Israel Bonds, the United Jewish Drive, they put a big scoreboard with the names of the firms and opposite them, as you make the amount they put you down for, they put a gold star after the name. Then, the buyers are told, "When you come into that building to call on someone and they haven't got a gold star, tell them that you won't buy from them until they have the gold star". BLACKMAIL. I don't know what else you can call it.

Then what do they do? They tell you it's for 'humanitarian purposes' and they send maybe $8 billion dollars to Israel, tax exempt, tax deductible. So if they hadn't sent that eight billion dollars to Israel, seven billion of it would have gone into the U.S. Treasury as income tax. So what happens? That seven billion dollars deficit - that air pocket - the gullible Christians have to make up.

They put a bigger tax on gas or bread or corporation tax. Somebody has to pay the housekeeping expenses for the government. So why do you let these people send their money over there to buy guns to drive people out of their ancient homeland? And you say, "Oh, well. The poor Jews. They have no place to go and they've been persecuted all their lives". They've never been persecuted for their religion. And I wish I had two rows of Rabbis here to challenge me. Never once, in all of history, have they been persecuted for their religion.

Do you know why the Jews were driven out of England? King Edward the First in 1285 drove them out, and they never came back until the Cromwell Revolution which was financed by the Rothschilds. For four-hundred years there wasn't a Jew. But do you know why they were driven out? Because in the Christian faith and the Moslem faith it's a sin to charge 'rent' for the use of money. In other words – what we call interest [usury] is a sin.

So the Jews had a monopoly in England and they charged so much interest, and when the Lords and Dukes couldn't pay, they [Jews] foreclosed. And they were creating so much trouble that the king of England finally made himself their partner, because when they they came to foreclose, some of these dukes bumped off the Jews. . . the money-lenders. So the king finally said - and this is all in history, look up Tianson [Tennyson?] or Rourke, the History of the Jews in England; two books you can find in your library. When the king found out what the trouble was all about, and how much money they were making, he declared himself a fifty-percent partner of the money lenders. Edward the First. And for many years, one-third of the revenues of the British Treasury came from the fifty-percent interest in money-lending by the Jews.

But it got worse and worse. So much worse that when the Lords and Dukes kept killing the money-lenders, the King then said, "I declare myself the heir of all the money-lenders. If they're killed you have to pay me, because I'm his sole heir". That made so much trouble, because the King had to go out and collect the money with an army, so he told the Jews to get out. There were 15,000 of them, and they had to get out, and they went across to Ireland, and that's how Ireland got to be part of the United Kingdom.

When King Edward found out what they were doing, he decided to take Ireland for himself before someone else did. He sent Robert Southgard with a mercenary army and conquered Ireland. So, show me one time where a Jew was persecuted in any country because of his religion. It has never happened. It's always their impact on the political, social, or economic customs and traditions of the community in which they settle.

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[Question inaudible] Freedman: Yes, sir. Well, they say most of those things themselves. It was unnecessary for Benjamin Franklin to say it. Most of those things they say themselves. But Benjamin Franklin observed, and by hearsay understood, what was happening in Europe.

When Russia, in 920 was formed, and gradually surrounded the Khazar Kingdom, and absorbed them, most of the well-to-do Khazars fled to Western Europe and brought with them the very things to which you object and I object and a lot of other people object. The customs, the habits, the instincts with which they were endowed.

When Benjamin Franklin referred to them as Jews because that's the name that they went by, and when the Christians first heard that these people who were fleeing from Russia - who they were - that they had practiced this Talmudic faith - the Christians in Western Europe said, "They must be the remnants of the lost ten tribes!"

And Mr. Grutz, the greatest historian amongst the Jews, said that - and he's probably as good an authority on that subject as there is. So when Ben Franklin came to Europe in the 18th century, he already saw the results of what these people had done after they left their homeland. And every word of it is true they say it themselves. I can give you half a dozen books they've written in which they say the same thing: When they have money they become tyrants. And when they become defeated, they become ruthless. They're only barbarians. They're the descendants of Asiatic Mongols and they will do anything to accomplish their purpose.

What right did they have to take over Russia the way they did? The Czar had abdicated nine or ten months before that. There was no need for them. . . they were going to have a constitutional monarchy. But they didn't want that. When the constitutional monarchy was to assemble in November, they mowed them all down and established the Soviet Union.

There was no need for that. But they thought, "Now is the time", and if you you will look in the Encyclopedia Britannica under the word 'Bolshevism', you'll find the five laws there that Lenin put down for a successful revolution. One of them is, "Wait for the right time, and then give them everything you've got". It would pay you to read that.

You'd also find that Mr. Harold Blacktree, who wrote the article for the Encyclopedia Britannica states that the Jews conceived and created and cultivated the Communist movement. And that their energy made them the spearhead of the movement. Harold Blacktree wrote it and no one knew more about Communism than he. And the Encyclopedia Britannica for 25 years has been printing it.

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[Question inaudible] Freedman: Well, I can't advocate that you do anything that's criminal, but I can tell you this. You can start what I call an endless chain. If you can get your friends to write, objectively, here is the statement: Mr. Kennedy's office gave me this himself. Mr. Smith, who succeeded Mr. Kennedy, took over his office - was in his office - and gave me this. He delivered this on the 25th, and it says here:

"For release to AM (that means morning papers), August 25th". "Israel is here to stay. It is a national commitment, special obligation of the Democratic Party. The White House must take the lead. American intervention. We will act promptly and decisively against any nation in the Middle East which attacks its neighbor. I propose that we make clear to both Israel and the Arab states our guarantee that we will act with whatever force and speed are necessary to halt any aggression by any nation".

Well, do you call the return of people to their homeland [the Arab Palestinians] aggression? Is Mr. Kennedy going to do that? Suppose three million Mexicans came into Texas and drove the six million Texans into the deserts of Arizona and New Mexico. Suppose these Mexicans were slipped in there armed - the Texans were disarmed - and one night they drove them all out of Texas and declared themselves the Republic of the Alamo. What would the United States say?

Would we say it's aggression for these Texans to try to get their homes back from the Mexican thieves? Suppose the Negroes in Alabama were secretly armed by the Soviets and overnight they rose up and drove all the whites into the swamps of Mississippi and Georgia and Florida. . . drove them out completely, and declared themselves the Republic of Ham, or the Republic of something-or-other. Would we call it aggression if these people, the whites of Alabama, tried to go back to their homes?

Would we. . . what would we think if the soviet Union said, "No, those Negroes now occupy them! Leave them there!", or "No, those Mexicans are in Texas. they declared themselves a sovereign state. Leave them there. You have plenty of room in Utah and Nevada. Settle somewhere else".

Would we call it aggression if the Alabama whites or the Texans wanted to go back to their homes? So now, you've go Read More Agree: Amanda

daniel le mouche , April 11, 2017 at 9:02 pm GMT \n
@Rob Green Rudy Dent is a disgraced FDNY ex-fireman who is shunned and hated by his former colleagues for desecrating the memory of those fallen on 9/11. He should rot in hell for the fabrications he is spewing about the deaths of his former brothers. a clown, an idiot you are. this man's words were beautiful. additionally, you lie that he is hated by his compatriots. this man should rot in hell for defending the memory of over 300 of his fallen brothers??? you are scum. Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
Sam J. , April 11, 2017 at 9:36 pm GMT \n
@dninmore I always thought UA Flight 93 was supposed to hit Bldg 7. No evidence, just a hunch. I agree with that being very possible. Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
Sam J. , April 11, 2017 at 9:37 pm GMT \n
@daniel le mouche Yes, and the Twin Towers came down at freefall speed too--all I needed, having knowledge of this basic principle of physics, to say, 'That's impossible.' It was and is, of course.
But there's no piece in their idiotic puzzle that makes any more sense. Building 7, the Pentagon where no plane was to be seen, Shanksville's crater, and debris scattered for miles, etc. etc. etc. etc.
Still, all the moles and trolls keep the petal to the metal, repeat, repeat--'Konspearissy Kkoooockss, HaHaHaHaHA'. " Still, all the moles and trolls keep the petal to the metal, repeat, repeat "

The Spoofers! Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments

Sam J. , April 11, 2017 at 9:42 pm GMT \n
100 Words @2stateshmoostate Excellent article.
I think there are only two way we might end control of the US government by the traitors who perpetrated 911.
One is to expose them at their most vulnerable point and that is 911. That attack doesn't hold up to reason. There's an endless of inconsistencies and contradictions that I won't go into here. How to get the attention of the American people? I don't know. I don't understand why the leaders adversarial states don't bring up the obvious fact that 911 was a false flag operation. This in order to DE-legitimize or create suspicion towards the US government. This is the kind of story I would think RT news would publish, and maybe they will if hostilities escalate between Russia and the US.
The other way we might get rid of these traitors is how Argentina got rid of the Generals; A massive military defeat that causes even the mindless lumps that are most of Americans to set up and take notice.
Ultimately these traitors will go, it's only a question of when and how much damage they do in the mean time.
Also I want to congratulate Mr. Dinh on his accurate prediction in a previous article that Trump was just another neocon puppet. I always agreed with that, because the scum that did 911 were not about to let anyone they don't control, get elected president of the US. " One is to expose them at their most vulnerable point and that is 911 "

Agreed BIG TIME. The verdict is still not in on Trump. I'm not naive but miracles happen. If he hasn't made 9-11 public in a year then sigh we've been shafted again and other actions must be taken.

Sandy Hook is another good one. If all I'm hearing is true there's no bodies, no deaths and the school wasn't even being used. A hand full of FBI demanding documents could out the whole thing. Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments

dninmore , April 11, 2017 at 10:56 pm GMT \n
@anarchyst Let's see...the "camps" had libraries, theaters, medical facilities, dining, and other facilities for the "comforts" of the occupants. Doctors, dentists were also available to see to the inmates' medical needs. In fact, many times specialists were brought in for unusual, difficult medical cases. There were also strict rules for the guards that severely punished any misbehavior against the inmates.
If these camps were "killing facilities", why all the amenities?
In addition, the logistics of transferring people from camp to camp had to be enormous.
Germany did not have the fuel to waste on transferring inmates from facility to facility, the idea that the "camps" were "killing facilities" is preposterous. What holocaust ™ promoters never show is the interviews of the (honest) camp occupants who report that there were no "gas chambers" and that they were treated well. These interviews, although available, are never shown. Why?
The truth is, most people survived the camps, and went on to live the rest of their long lives without incident. It is only in the 1960s where "the powers that be" CREATED the holocaust ™ as a "cash cow" that "keeps on giving" to this very day. Compare the Nazi camps to Eisenhower's after the war. We know who the real Holocaust was preyed on. Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments
NoseytheDuke , April 11, 2017 at 11:17 pm GMT \n
100 Words @anarchyst Let's see...the "camps" had libraries, theaters, medical facilities, dining, and other facilities for the "comforts" of the occupants. Doctors, dentists were also available to see to the inmates' medical needs. In fact, many times specialists were brought in for unusual, difficult medical cases. There were also strict rules for the guards that severely punished any misbehavior against the inmates.
If these camps were "killing facilities", why all the amenities?
In addition, the logistics of transferring people from camp to camp had to be enormous.
Germany did not have the fuel to waste on transferring inmates from facility to facility, the idea that the "camps" were "killing facilities" is preposterous. What holocaust ™ promoters never show is the interviews of the (honest) camp occupants who report that there were no "gas chambers" and that they were treated well. These interviews, although available, are never shown. Why?
The truth is, most people survived the camps, and went on to live the rest of their long lives without incident. It is only in the 1960s where "the powers that be" CREATED the holocaust ™ as a "cash cow" that "keeps on giving" to this very day. Obviously a lot of people did perish in the camps as we've all seen footage countless times of piles of near-skeletal bodies being bulldozed into mass graves. It should be obvious to even a casual observer, if there could be such an individual, that these tragic deaths were clearly caused by starvation. This is seldom mentioned and all of these scenes took place towards the very end of the conflict after long range fuel tanks and the Norden bombsight had made possible accurate targeting of strategic supply lines causing massive starvation for everyone, but obviously much worse in the camps. Tragic every way one looks at it. Read More
Bob Weber , April 12, 2017 at 1:24 am GMT \n
@NoseytheDuke Linh Dinh, this is surely your best piece in ages, if not ever. Well done. Rudy Dent truly loves America and America should love him for that. Rudy Dent was not present for the collapses of the Twin Towers. He suddenly remembered all the "damning evidence" about 9/11 only in 204. He's also a Hitler worshipper and Holocaust Denier. See for yourself:

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Amanda , April 12, 2017 at 11:40 am GMT \n
@republic A Jewish Defector Warns America:

Benjamin Freedman Speaks on Zionism

This should do it! For the second and last time we are updating the transcript of Ben Freedman's 1961 speech at the Willard Hotel.

The piece has been posted for over a year now. A few months ago, a person challenged the authenticity of the transcript, because his version stated that Samuel Untermeyer had used the Columbia Broadcasting studios when he declared a worldwide boycott against Germany -- in his words: 'A Holy War'. We could not debate the issue, having never heard the actual recording of Mr. Freedman's speech. Today, I discovered that we have a cassette tape of the speech, so I listened to the entire tape while reading the posted transcript. According to Mr. Freedman the radio station used by Untermeyer was, in fact, ABC.

There had also been some simple rearrangements of sentence structure in that transcript, and a line or two omitted in places. For the sake of authenticity, the corrections have been made. The transcript is now word for word from Mr. Freedman's speech.

The original transcriber had 'tidied up' Mr. Freedman's responses during the Q&A period, omitting superfluous and repetitious words. For the most part, we've left the tidied up version as it was, since it didn't change the response, and actually helped to clarify Mr. Freedman's answers. If the names were changed, he could have been making that speech yesterday. -- Jackie -- April 8, 2003

Here is our first update notice, about a year ago:

The original posting of this speech was taken from an existing web site. In going through our files we recently discovered a full transcript of the speech and realized the original posting was not complete. Here is the transcript from our files, with additional text at the beginning - some within the body of the speech - and a question and answer section at the end that had not been included in the original posting. There will be further postings from other writers and quotes that will confirm much of what Mr. Freedman said here. Many of you will see the truth of it, as it stands. -- Jackie --

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The Truth will stand on its own merit

A Jewish Defector Warns America:

Benjamin Freedman Speaks

by Benjamin H. Freedman

Introductory Note -- Benjamin H. Freedman was one of the most intriguing and amazing individuals of the 20th century.

Mr. Freedman, born in 1890, was a successful Jewish businessman of New York City who was at one time the principal owner of the Woodbury Soap Company. He broke with organized Jewry after the Judeo-Communist victory of 1945, and spent the remainder of his life and the great preponderance of his considerable fortune, at least 2.5 million dollars, exposing the Jewish tyranny which has enveloped the United States.

Mr. Freedman knew what he was talking about because he had been an insider at the highest levels of Jewish organizations and Jewish machinations to gain power over our nation. Mr. Freedman was personally acquainted with Bernard Baruch, Samuel Untermyer, Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Roosevelt, Joseph Kennedy, and John F. Kennedy, and many more movers and shakers of our times.

This speech was given before a patriotic audience in 1961 at the Willard Hotel in Washington, D.C., on behalf of Conde McGinley's patriotic newspaper of that time, Common Sense. Though in some minor ways this wide-ranging and extemporaneous speech has become dated, Mr. Freedman's essential message to us -- his warning to the West -- is more urgent than ever before. -- K.A.S. ---

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A CHRISTIAN VIEW OF THE HOLOCAUST

Ladies and gentlemen, you are about to hear a very frightening speech. This speech is an explanation of the plans now being laid to throw the United States into a third world war. It was made a short time ago before a large group in the Congressional `Room of the Willard Hotel in Washington, D.C. Both the speech and the question and answer period later so electrified the audience that a group of patriots has transferred it to two long-playing records which you may buy to play for friends, clubs, and your church group in your community. The speaker is Mr. Benjamin Freedman, noted authority on Zionism and all of its schemes. Mr. Freedman is a former Jew, and I mean a FORMER Jew. He has fought the Communist world conspiracy tooth and nail, and stands today as a leading American patriot. We now take you to the speaker's platform to present Benjamin Freedman.

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[Freedman's speech]

What I intend to tell you tonight is something that you have never been able to learn from any other source, and what I tell you now concerns not only you, but your children and the survival of this country and Christianity. I'm not here just to dish up a few facts to send up your blood pressure, but I'm here to tell you things that will help you preserve what you consider the most sacred things in the world: the liberty, and the freedom, and the right to live as Christians, where you have a little dignity, and a little right to pursue the things that your conscience tells you are the right things, as Christians.

Now, first of all, I'd like to tell you that on August 25th 1960 -- that was shortly before elections -- Senator Kennedy, who is now the President of the United States, went to New York, and delivered an address to the Zionist Organization of America. In that address, to reduce it to its briefest form, he stated that he would use the armed forces of the United States to preserve the existence of the regime set up in Palestine by the Zionists who are now in occupation of that area.

In other words, Christian boys are going to be yanked out of their homes, away from their families, and sent abroad to fight in Palestine against the Christian and Moslem Arabs who merely want to return to their homes. And these Christian boys are going to be asked to shoot to kill these innocent [Arab Palestinians] people who only want to follow out fifteen resolutions passed by the United Nations in the last twelve years calling upon the Zionists to allow these people to return to their homes.

Now, when United States troops appear in the Middle East to fight with the Zionists as their allies to prevent the return of these people who were evicted from their homes in the 1948 armed insurrection by the Zionists who were transplanted there from Eastern Europe... when that happens, the United States will trigger World War III.

You say, when will that take place? The answer is, as soon as the difficulty between France and Algeria has been settled, that will take place. As soon as France and Algeria have been settled, that will take place. As soon as France and Algeria have settled their difficulty, and the Arab world, or the Moslem world, has no more war on their hands with France, they are going to move these people back into their homes, and when they do that and President kennedy sends your sons to fight over there to help the crooks hold on to what they stole from innocent men, women and children, we will trigger World War III; and when that starts you can be sure we cannot emerge from that war a victor. We are going to lose that war because there is not one nation in the world that will let one of their sons fight with us for such a cause.

I know and speak to these ambassadors in Washington and the United Nations -- and of the ninety-nine nations there, I've consulted with maybe seventy of them -- and when we go to war in Palestine to help the thieves retain possession of what they have stolen from these innocent people we're not going to have a man there to fight with us as our ally.

And who will these people have supporting them, you ask. Well, four days after President Kennedy -- or he was then Senator Kennedy -- made that statement on August 28, 1960, the Arab nations called a meeting in Lebanon and there they decided to resurrect, or reactivate, the government of Palestine, which has been dormant more or less, since the 1948 armed insurrection by the Zionists.

Not only that... they ordered the creation of the Palestine Army, and they are now drilling maybe a half a million soldiers in that area of the world to lead these people back to their homeland. With them, they have as their allies all the nations of what is termed the Bandung Conference Group. That includes the Soviet Union and every Soviet Union satellite. It includes Red China; it includes every independent country in Asia and Africa; or eighty percent of the world's total population. Eighty percent of the world's population. Four out of five human beings on the face of the earth will be our enemies at war with us. And not alone are they four out of five human beings now on the face of this earth, but they are the non-Christian population of the world and they are the non-Caucasians... the non-white nations of the world, and that's what we face.

And what is the reason? The reason is that here in the United States, the Zionists and their co-religionists have complete control of our government. For many reasons too many and too complex to go into here at this -- time I'll be glad to answer questions, however, to support that statement -- the Zionists and their co-religionists rule this United States as though they were the absolute monarchs of this country.

Now, you say, 'well, that's a very broad statement to make', but let me show what happened while you were -- I don't want to wear that out --- let me show what happened while WE were all asleep. I'm including myself with you. We were all asleep. What happened?

World War I broke out in the summer of 1914. Nineteen-hundred and fourteen was the year in which World War One broke out. There are few people here my age who remember that. Now that war was waged on one side by Great Britain, France, and Russia; and on the other side by Germany, Austria-Hungary, and Turkey. What happened?

Within two years Germany had won that war: not alone won it nominally, but won it actually. The German submarines, which were a surprise to the world, had swept all the convoys from the Atlantic Ocean, and Great Britain stood there without ammunition for her soldiers, stood there with one week's food supply facing her -- and after that, starvation.

At that time, the French army had mutinied. They lost 600,000 of the flower of French youth in the defense of Verdun on the Somme. The Russian army was defecting. They were picking up their toys and going home, they didn't want to play war anymore, they didn't like the Czar. And the Italian army had collapsed.

Now Germany -- not a shot had been fired on the German soil. Not an enemy soldier had crossed the border into Germany. And yet, here was Germany offering England peace terms. They offered England a negotiated peace on what the lawyers call a status quo ante basis. That means: "Let's call the war off, and let everything be as it was before the war started."

Well, England, in the summer of 1916 was considering that. Seriously! They had no choice. It was either accepting this negotiated peace that Germany was magnanimously offering them, or going on with the war and being totally defeated.

While that was going on, the Zionists in Germany, who represented the Zionists from Eastern Europe, went to the British War Cabinet and -- I am going to be brief because this is a long story, but I have all the documents to prove any statement that I make if anyone here is curious, or doesn't believe what I'm saying is at all possible -- the Zionists in London went to the British war cabinet and they said: "Look here. You can yet win this war. You don't have to give up. You don't have to accept the negotiated peace offered to you now by Germany. You can win this war if the United States will come in as your ally."

The United States was not in the war at that time. We were fresh; we were young; we were rich; we were powerful. They [Zionists] told England: "We will guarantee to bring the United States into the war as your ally, to fight with you on your side, if you will promise us Palestine after you win the war."

In other words, they made this deal: "We will get the United States into this war as your ally. The price you must pay us is Palestine after you have won the war and defeated Germany, Austria-Hungary, and Turkey."

Now England had as much right to promise Palestine to anybody, as the United States would have to promise Japan to Ireland for any reason whatsoever. It's absolutely absurd that Great Britain -- that never had any connection or any interest or any right in what is known as Palestine -- should offer it as coin of the realm to pay the Zionists for bringing the United States into the war.

However, they made that promise, in October of 1916. October, nineteen hundred and sixteen. And shortly after that -- I don't know how many here remember it -- the United States, which was almost totally pro-German -- totally pro-German -- because the newspapers here were controlled by Jews, the bankers were Jews, all the media of mass communications in this country were controlled by Jews, and they were pro-German because their people, in the majority of cases came from Germany, and they wanted to see Germany lick the Czar.

The Jews didn't like the Czar, and they didn't want Russia to win this war. So the German bankers -- the German-Jews -- Kuhn Loeb and the other big banking firms in the United States refused to finance France or England to the extent of one dollar. They stood aside and they said: "As long as France and England are tied up with Russia, not one cent!" But they poured money into Germany, they fought with Germany against Russia, trying to lick the Czarist regime.

Now those same Jews, when they saw the possibility of getting Palestine, they went to England and they made this deal. At that time, everything changed, like the traffic light that changes from red to green. Where the newspapers had been all pro-German, where they'd been telling the people of the difficulties that Germany was having fighting Great Britain commercially and in other respects, all of a sudden the Germans were no good. They were villains. They were Huns. They were shooting Red Cross nurses. They were cutting off babies' hands. And they were no good.

Well, shortly after that, Mr. Wilson declared war on Germany.

The Zionists in London sent these cables to the United States, to Justice Brandeis: "Go to work on President Wilson. We're getting from England what we want. Now you go to work, and you go to work on President Wilson and get the United States into the war." And that did happen. That's how the United States got into the war. We had no more interest in it; we had no more right to be in it than we have to be on the moon tonight instead of in this room.

Now the war -- World War One -- in which the United States participated had absolutely no reason to be our war. We went in there -- we were railroaded into it -- if I can be vulgar, we were suckered into -- that war merely so that the Zionists of the world could obtain Palestine. Now, that is something that the people in the United States have never been told. They never knew why we went into World War One. Now, what happened?

After we got into the war, the Zionists went to Great Britain and they said: "Well, we performed our part of the agreement. Let's have something in writing that shows that you are going to keep your bargain and give us Palestine after you win the war." Because they didn't know whether the war would last another year or another ten years. So they started to work out a receipt. The receipt took the form of a letter, and it was worded in very cryptic language so that the world at large wouldn't know what it was all about. And that was called the Balfour Declaration.

The Balfour Declaration was merely Great Britain's promise to pay the Zionists what they had agreed upon as a consideration for getting the United States into the war. So this great Balfour Declaration, that you hear so much about, is just as phony as a three dollar bill. And I don't think I could make it more emphatic than that.

Now, that is where all the trouble started. The United States went in the war. The United States crushed Germany. We went in there, and it's history. You know what happened. Now, when the war was ended, and the Germans went to Paris, to the Paris Peace Conference in 1919, there were 117 Jews there, as a delegation representing the Jews, headed by Bernard Baruch. I was there: I ought to know. Now what happened?

The Jews at that peace conference, when they were cutting up Germany and parceling out Europe to all these nations that claimed a right to a certain part of European territory, the Jews said, "How about Palestine for us?" And they produced, for the first time to the knowledge of the Germans, this Balfour Declaration. So the Germans, for the first time realized, "Oh, that was the game! That's why the United States came into the war." And the Germans for the first time realized that they were defeated, they suffered this terrific reparation that was slapped onto them, because the Zionists wanted Palestine and they were determined to get it at any cost.

Now, that brings us to another very interesting point. When the Germans realized this, they naturally resented it. Up to that time, the Jews had never been better off in any country in the world than they had been in Germany.

You had Mr. Rathenau there, who was maybe 100 times as important in industry and finance as is Bernard Baruch in this country. You had Mr. Balin, who owned the two big steamship lines, the North German Lloyd's and the Hamburg-American Lines. You had Mr. Bleichroder, who was the banker for the Hohenzollern family. You had the Warburgs in Hamburg, who were the big merchant bankers -- the biggest in the world. The Jews were doing very well in Germany. No question about that. Now, the Germans felt: "Well, that was quite a sellout."

It was a sellout that I can best compare -- suppose the United States was at war today with the Soviet Union. And we were winning. And we told the Soviet Union: "Well, let's quit. We offer you peace terms. Let's forget the whole thing." And all of a sudden Red China came into the war as an ally of the Soviet Union. And throwing them into the war brought about our defeat. A crushing defeat, with reparations the likes of which man's imagination cannot encompass.

Imagine, then, after that defeat, if we found out that it was the Chinese in this country, our Chinese citizens, who all the time we thought they were loyal citizens working with us, were selling us out to the Soviet Union and that it was through them that Red China was brought into the war against us. How would we feel, in the United States against Chinese? I don't think that one of them would dare show his face on any street. There wouldn't be lampposts enough, convenient, to take care of them. Imagine how we would feel.

Well, that's how the Germans felt towards these Jews. "We've been so nice to them"; and from 1905 on, when the first Communist revolution in Russia failed, and the Jews had to scramble out of Russia, they all went to Germany. And Germany gave them refuge. And they were treated very nicely. And here they sold Germany down the river for no reason at all other than they wanted Palestine as a so-called "Jewish commonwealth."

Now, Nahum Sokolow -- all the great leaders, the big names that you read about in connection with Zionism today -- they, in 1919, 1920, '21, '22, and '23, they wrote in all their papers -- and the press was filled with their statements -- that "the feeling against the Jews in Germany is due to the fact that they realized that this great defeat was brought about by our intercession and bringing the United States into the war against them."

The Jews themselves admitted that. It wasn't that the Germans in 1919 discovered that a glass of Jewish blood tasted better than Coca-Cola or Muenschner Beer. There was no religious feeling. There was no sentiment against those people merely on account of their religious belief. It was all political. It was economic. It was anything but religious.

Nobody cared in Germany whether a Jew went home and pulled down the shades and said "Shema' Yisrael" or "Our Father." No one cared in Germany any more than they do in the United States. Now this feeling that developed later in Germany was due to one thing: that the Germans held the Jews responsible for their crushing defeat, for no reason at all, because World War One was started against Germany for no reason for which they [Germans] were responsible. They were guilty of nothing. Only of being successful. They built up a big navy. They built up world trade.

You must remember, Germany, at the time of Napoleon, at the time of the French Revolution, what was the German Reich consisted of 300 -- three hundred! -- small city-states, principalities, dukedoms, and so forth. Three hundred little separate political entities. And between that time, between the period of. . . between Napoleon and Bismarck, they were consolidated into one state. And within 50 years after that time they became one of the world's great powers. Their navy was rivalling Great Britain's, they were doing business all over the world, they could undersell anybody and make better products. And what happened? What happened as a result of that?

There was a conspiracy between England, France, and Russia that: "We must slap down Germany", because there isn't one historian in the world that can find a valid reason why those three countries decided to wipe Germany off the map politically. Now, what happened after that?

When Germany realized that the Jews were responsible for her defeat, they naturally resented it. But not a hair on the head of any Jew was harmed. Not a single hair. Professor Tansill, of Georgetown University, who had access to all the secret papers of the State Department, wrote in his book, and quoted from a State Department document written by Hugo Schoenfelt, a Jew who Cordell Hull sent to Europe in 1933 to investigate the so-called camps of political prisoners. And he wrote back that he found them in very fine condition.

They were in excellent shape; everybody treated well. And they were filled with Communists. Well, a lot of them were Jews, because the Jews happened to be maybe 98 per cent of the Communists in Europe at that time. And there were some priests there, and ministers, and labor leaders, Masons, and others who had international affiliations.

Now, the Jews sort of tried to keep the lid on this fact. They didn't want the world to really understand that they had sold out Germany, and that the Germans resented that.

So they did take appropriate action against them [against the Jews]. They. . . shall I say, discriminated against them wherever they could? They shunned them. The same as we would the Chinese, or the Negroes, or the Catholics, or anyone in this country who had sold us out to an enemy and brought about our defeat.

Now, after a while, the Jews of the world didn't know what to do, so they called a meeting in Amsterdam. Jews from every country in the world attended in July 1933. And they said to Germany: "You fire Hitler! And you put every Jew back into his former position, whether he was a Communist, no matter what he was. You can't treat us that way! And we, the Jews of the world, are calling upon you, and serving this ultimatum upon you." Well, the Germans told them. . . you can imagine. So what did they [the Jews] do?

They broke up, and Samuel Untermyer, if the name means anything to people here. . . (You want to ask a question? --- Uh, there were no Communists in Germany at that time. they were called 'Social Democrats.)

Well, I don't want to go by what they were called. We're now using English words, and what they were called in Germany is not very material. . . but they were Communists, because in 1917, the Communists took over Germany for a few days. Rosa Luxembourg and Karl Liebknecht, and a group of Jews in Germany took over the government for three days. In fact, when the Kaiser ended the war, he fled to Holland because he thought the Communists were going to take over Germany as they did Russia, and that he was going to meet the same fate that the Czar did in Russia. So he left and went to Holland for safety and for security.

Now, at that time, when the Communist threat in Germany was quashed, it was quiet, the Jews were working, still trying to get back into their former -- their status -- and the Germans fought them in every way they could, without hurting a hair on anyone's head. The same as one group, the Prohibitionists, fought the people who were interested in liquor, and they didn't fight one another with pistols, they did it every way they could.

Well, that's the way they were fighting the Jews in Germany. And, at that time, mind you, there were 80 to 90 million Germans and there were only 460,000 Jews. . . less than one half of one percent of Germany were Jews. And yet, they controlled all of the press, they controlled most of the economy, because they had come in and with cheap money -- you know the way the Mark was devalued -- they bought up practically everything.

Well, in 1933 when Germany refused to surrender, mind you, to the World Conference of Jews in Amsterdam, they broke up and Mr. Untermeyer came back to the United States -- who was the head of the American delegation and the president of the whole conference -- and he went from the steamer to ABC and made a radio broadcast throughout the United States in which he said:

"The Jews of the world now declare a Holy War against Germany. We are now engaged in a sacred conflict against the Germans. And we are going to starve them into surrender. We are going to use a world-wide boycott against them, that will destroy them because they are dependent upon their export business."

And it is a fact that two thirds of Germany's food supply had to be imported, and it could only be imported with the proceeds of what they exported. Their labor. So if Germany could not export, two thirds of Germany's population would have to starve. There just was not enough food for more than one third of the population.

Now in this declaration, which I have here, it was printed on page -- a whole page -- in the New York Times on August 7, 1933, Mr. Samuel Untermyer boldly stated that: "this economic boycott is our means of self-defense. President Roosevelt has advocated its use in the NRA" . [National Recovery Administration] -- which some of you may remember, where everybody was to be boycotted unless they followed the rules laid down by the New Deal, which of course was declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court at that time.

Nevertheless, the Jews of the world declared a boycott against Germany, and it was so effective that you couldn't find one thing in any store anywhere in the world with the words "made in Germany" on it.

In fact, an executive of the Woolworth Company told me that they had to dump millions of dollars worth of crockery and dishes into the river; that their stores were boycotted. If anyone came in and found a dish marked "made in Germany," they were picketed with signs: "Hitler", "murderer", and so forth, and like -- something like these sit-ins that are taking place in the South.

R. H. Macy, which is controlled by a family called Strauss who also happen to be Jews. . . a woman found stockings there which came from Chemnitz, marked "made in Germany". Well, they were cotton stockings. They may have been there 20 years, because since I've been observing women's legs in the last twenty years, I haven't seen a pair with cotton stockings on them. So Macy! I saw Macy boycotted, with hundreds of people walking around with signs saying "MURDERS" and "HITLERITES", and so forth.

Now up to that time, not one hair on the head of any Jew had been hurt in Germany. There was no suffering, there was no starvation, there was no murder, there was nothing.

Now, that. . . naturally, the Germans said, "Why, who are these people to declare a boycott against us and throw all our people out of work, and our industries come to a standstill? Who are they to do that to us?" They naturally resented it. Certainly they painted swastikas on stores owned by Jews.

Why should a German go in and give their money to a storekeeper who was part of a boycott who was going to starve Germany into surrender into the Jews of the world, who were going to dictate who their premier or chancellor was to be? Well, it was ridiculous.

That continued for some time, and it wasn't until 1938, when a young Jew from Poland walked into the German embassy in Paris and shot one of the officials [a German official] that the Germans really started to get rough with the Jews in Germany. And you found them then breaking windows and having street fights and so forth.

Now, for anyone to say that -- I don't like to use the word 'anti-Semitism' because it's meaningless, but it means something to you still, so I'll have to use it -- the only reason that there was any feeling in Germany against Jews was that they were responsible: number one, for World War One; number two, for this world-wide boycott, and number three -- did I say for World War One, they were responsible? For the boycott -- and also for World War II, because after this thing got out of hand, it was absolutely necessary for the Jews and Germany to lock horns in a war to see which one was going to survive.

In the meanwhile, I had lived in Germany, and I knew that the Germans had decided [that] Europe is going to be Christian or Communist: there is no in between. It's going to be Christian or it's going to be Communist. And the Germans decided: "We're going to keep it Christian if possible". And they started to re-arm.

And there intention was -- by that time the United States had recognized the Soviet Union, which they did in November, 1933 -- the Soviet Union was becoming very powerful, and Germany realized: "Well, our turn is going to come soon, unless we are strong." The same as we in this country are saying today, "Our turn is going to come soon, unless we are strong."

And our government is spending 83 or 84 billion dollars of your money for defense, they say. Defense against whom? Defense against 40,000 little Jews in Moscow that took over Russia, and then, in their devious ways, took over control of many other governments of the world.

Now, for this country to now be on the verge of a Third World War, from which we cannot emerge a victor, is something that staggers my imagination. I know that nuclear bombs are measured in terms of megatons. A megaton is a term used to describe one million tons of TNT. One million tons of TNT is a megaton. Now, our nuclear bombs have a capacity of 10 megatons, or 10 million tons of TNT. That was when they were first developed five or six years ago. Now, the nuclear bombs that are being developed have a capacity of 200 megatons, and God knows how many megatons the nuclear bombs of the Soviet Union have.

So, what do we face now? If we trigger a world war that may develop into a nuclear war, humanity is finished. And why will it take place? It will take place because Act III. . . the curtain goes up on Act III. Act I was World War I. Act II was World War II. Act III is going to be World War III.

The Jews of the world, the Zionists and their co-religionists everywhere, are determined that they are going to again use the United States to help them permanently retain Palestine as their foothold for their world government. Now, that is just as true as I am standing here, because not alone have I read it, but many here have read it, and it's known all over the world.

Now, what are we going to do? The life you save may be your son's. Your boys may be on their way to that war tonight; and you you don't know it any more than you knew that in 1916 in London the Zionists made a deal with the British War Cabinet to send your sons to war in Europe. Did you know it at that time? Not a person in the United States knew it. You weren't permitted to know it.

Who knew it? President Wilson knew it. Colonel House knew it. Other 's knew it. Did I know it? I had a pretty good idea of what was going on: I was liaison to Henry Morgenthau, Sr., in the 1912 campaign when President Wilson was elected, and there was talk around the office there.

I was 'confidential man' to Henry Morgenthau, Sr., who was chairman of the Finance Committee, and I was liaison between him and Rollo Wells, the treasurer. So I sat in these meetings with President Wilson at the head of the table, and all the others, and I heard them drum into President Wilson's brain the graduated income tax and what has become the Federal Reserve, and also indoctrinate him with the Zionist movement.

Justice Brandeis and President Wilson were just as close as the two fingers on this hand, and President Woodrow Wilson was just as incompetent when it came to determining what was going on as a newborn baby. And that's how they got us into World War I, while we all slept.

Now, at this moment... at this moment they may be planning this World War III, in which we don't stand a chance even if they don't use nuclear bombs. How can the United States -- about five percent of the world -- go out and fight eighty to ninety percent of the world on their home ground? How can we do it... send our boys over there to be slaughtered? For what? So the Jews can have Palestine as their 'commonwealth'? They've fooled you so much that you don't know whether you're coming or going.

Now any judge, when he charges a jury, says, "Gentlemen, any witness that you find has told a single lie, you can disregard all his testimony." That is correct. I don't know from what state you come, but in New York state that is the way a judge addresses a jury. If that witness said one lie, disregard his testimony.

Now, what are the facts about the Jews?

The Jews -- I call them Jews to you, because they are known as Jews. I don't call them Jews. I refer to them as so-called Jews, because I know what they are. If Jesus was a Jew, there isn't a Jew in the world today, and if those people are Jews, certainly our Lord and Savior was not one of them, and I can prove that.

Now what happened? The eastern European Jews, who form 92 per cent of the world's population of those people who call themselves Jews, were originally Khazars.

They were a warlike tribe that lived deep in the heart of Asia. And they were so warlike that even the Asiatics drove them out of Asia into eastern Europe -- and to reduce this so you don't get too confused about the history of Eastern Europe -- they set up this big Khazar kingdom: 800,000 square miles. Only, there was no Russia, there were no other countries, and the Khazar kingdom was the biggest country in all Europe -- so big and so powerful that when the other monarchs wanted to go to war, the Khazars would lend them 40,000 soldiers. That's how big and powerful they were.

Now, they were phallic worshippers, which is filthy. I don't want to go into the details of that now. It was their religion the way it was the religion of many other Pagans or Barbarians elsewhere in the world.

Now, the [Khazar] king became so disgusted with the degeneracy of his kingdom that he decided to adopt a so-called monotheistic faith -- either Christianity, Islam -- the Moslem faith -- or what is known today as Judaism -- really Talmudism. So, like spinning a top and calling out "eeny, meeny, miney, moe," he picked out so-called Judaism. And that became the state religion.

He sent down to the Talmudic schools of Pumbedita and Sura and brought up thousands of these rabbis with their teachings, and opened up synagogues and schools in his kingdom of 800,000 people -- 800,000 thousand square miles -- and maybe ten to twenty million people; and they became what we call Jews. There wasn't one of them that had an ancestor that ever put a toe in the Holy Land, not only in Old Testament history, but back to the beginning of time. Not one of them! And yet they come to the Christians and they ask us to support their armed insurrection in Palestine by saying:

"Well, you want to certainly help repatriate God's chosen people to their Promised Land, their ancestral homeland, It's your Christian duty. We gave you one of our boys as your Lord and Savior. You now go to church on Sunday, and kneel and you worship a Jew, and we're Jews."

Well, they were pagan Khazars who were converted just the same as the Irish [were converted]. And it's just as ridiculous to call them "people of the Holy Land," as it would be. . . there are 54 million Chinese Moslems. Fifty four million! And, Mohammed only died in 620 A.D., so in that time, 54 million Chinese have accepted Islam as their religious belief.

Now imagine, in China, 2,000 miles away from Arabia, where the city of Mecca is located, where Mohammed was born. . . imagine if the 54 million Chinese called themselves 'Arabs'. Imagine! Why, you'd say they're lunatics. Anyone who believes that those 54 million Chinese are Arabs must be crazy. All they did was adopt as a religious faith; a belief that had its origin in Mecca, in Arabia.

The same as the Irish. When the Irish became Christians, nobody dumped them in the ocean and imported from the Holy Land a new crop of inhabitants that were Christians. They weren't different people. They were the same people, but they had accepted Christianity as a religious faith.

Now, these Pagans, these Asiatics, these Turko-Finns. . . they were a Mongoloid race who were forced out of Asia into eastern Europe. They likewise, because their king took the faith -- Talmudic faith -- they had no choice. Just the same as in Spain: If the king was Catholic, everybody had to be a Catholic. If not, you had to get out of Spain. So everybody -- they lived on the land just like the trees and the bushes; a human being belonged to the land under their feudal system -- so they [Khazars] all became what we call today, Jews!

Now imagine how silly it was for the Christians. . . for the great Christian countries of the world to say, "We're going to use our power, our prestige to repatriate God's chosen people to their ancestral homeland, their Promised Land."

Now, could there be a bigger lie than that? Could there be a bigger lie than that?

And because they control the newspapers, the magazines, the radio, the television, the book publishing business, they have the ministers in the pulpit, they have the politicians on the soap boxes talking the same language . . . so naturally you'd believe black is white if you heard it often enough. You wouldn't call black black anymore -- you'd start to call black white. And nobody could blame you.

Now, that is one of the great lies. . . that is the foundation of all the misery that has befallen the world. Because after two wars fought in Europe -- World War I and World War II -- if it wasn't possible for them to live in peace and harmony with the people in Europe, like their brethren are living in the United States, what were the two wars fought for? Did they have to -- like you flush the toilet -- because they couldn't get along, did they have to say, "Well, we're going back to our homeland and you Christians can help us"?

I can't understand yet how the Christians in Europe could have been that dumb because every theologian, every history teacher, knew the things that I'm telling you. But, they naturally bribed them, shut them up with money, stuffed their mouths with money, and now. . . I don't care whether you know all this or not. It doesn't make any difference to me whether you know all these facts or not, but it does make a difference to me. I've got, in my family, boys that will have to be in the next war, and I don't want them to go and fight and die... like they died in Korea. Like they died in Japan. Like they've died all over the world. For what?

To help crooks hold on to what they stole from innocent people who had been in peaceful possession of that land, those farms, those homes for hundreds and maybe thousands of years? Is that why the United States must go to war? Because the Democratic Party wants New York State -- the electoral vote? Illinois, the electoral vote? And Pennsylvania, the electoral vote?... which are controlled by the Zionists and their co-religionists?. . . the balance of power?

In New York City there are 400,000 members of the liberal party, all Zionists and their co-religionists. And New York State went for Kennedy by 400,000 votes. Now, I don't blame Mr. Kennedy. I'm fond of Mr. Kennedy. I think he's a great man. I think he can really pull us out of this trouble if we get the facts to him. And I believe he knows a great deal more than his appointments indicate he knows. He's playing with the enemy. Like when you go fishing, you've got to play with the fish. Let 'em out and pull 'em in. Let 'em out and pull 'em in. But knowing Mr. Kennedy's father, and how well informed he is on this whole subject, and how close Kennedy is to his father, I don't think Mr. Kennedy is totally in the dark.

But I do think that it is the duty of every mother, every loyal Christian , every person that regards the defense of this country as a sacred right, that they communicate -- not with their congressman, not with their senator, but with President Kennedy. And tell him, "I do not think you should send my boy, or our boys, wearing the uniform of the United States of America, and under the flag that you see here, our red, white and blue, to fight there to help keep in the hands of these that which they have stolen". I think everyone should not alone write once, but keep writing and get your friends to write.

Now, I could go on endlessly, and tell you these things to support what I have just asked you to do. But I don't think it's necessary to do that. You're above the average group in intelligence and I don't think it's necessary to impress this any more.

But. . . I want to tell you one more thing. You talk about... "Oh, the Jews. Why the Jews? Christianity. Why, we got Christianity from the Jews and the Jews gave us Jesus, and the Jews gave us our religion". But do you know that on the day of atonement that you think is so sacred to them, that on that day... and I was one of them! This is not hearsay. I'm not here to be a rabble-rouser. I'm here to give you facts.

When, on the Day of Atonement, you walk into a synagogue, the very first prayer that you recite, you stand -- and it's the only prayer for which you stand -- and you repeat three times a short prayer. The Kol Nidre. In that prayer, you enter into an agreement with God Almighty that any oath, vow, or pledge that you may make during the next twelve months -- any oath, vow or pledge that you may take during the next twelve months shall be null and void.

The oath shall not be an oath; the vow shall not be a vow; the pledge shall not be a pledge. They shall have no force and effect, and so forth and so on.

And further than that, the Talmud teaches: "Don't forget -- whenever you take an oath, vow, and pledge -- remember the Kol Nidre prayer that you recited on the Day of Atonement, and that exempts you from fulfilling that".

How much can you depend on their loyalty? You can depend upon their loyalty as much as the Germans depended upon it in 1916.

And we're going to suffer the same fate as Germany suffered, and for the same reason. You can't depend upon something as insecure as the leadership that is not obliged to respect an oath, vow or pledge. Now I could go on and recite many other things to you, but I would have a little respect for your time, and you want to really, uh, get through with all of this. Tomorrow's going to be a long day.

Now I want to say one thing. You ask me. . . well, you think to yourself: "well how did this fellow get mixed up in this the way he got mixed up in it." Well, I opened my mouth in 1945, and I took big pages in newspapers and tried to tell the American people what I'm telling you. And one newspaper after another refused the advertisement. And when I couldn't find a newspaper to take them -- I paid cash, not credit -- what happened? My lawyer told me, "There's an editor over in Jersey with a paper who will take your announcement". So, I was brought together with Mr. McGinley, and that's how I met him.

So somebody told me the lawyer who introduced me, who was the son of the Dean of the Methodist Bishop, he said: "Well, I think he's a little anti-Semitic. I don't know whether I can get him over here. So he brought him over to my apartment and we hit it off wonderfully, and have since then.

Now, I say this, and I say it without any qualifications. I say it without any reservations. And I say it without any hesitation. . . if it wasn't for the work that Mr. Conley McGinley did with "Common Sense" -- he's been sending out from 1,800,000 to 2,000,000 every year -- if it wasn't for the work he's been doing sending those out for fifteen years now, we would already be a communist country. Nobody has done what he did to light fires. Many of the other active persons in this fight learned all about if for the first time through "Common Sense".

Now, I have been very active in helping him all I could. I'm not as flush as I was. I cannot go on spending the money. . . I'm not going to take up a collection. Don't worry. I see five people getting up to leave. (laughter)

I haven't got the money that I used to spend. I used to print a quarter of a million of them out of my own pocket and send them out. Mr. McGinley, when I first met him, had maybe 5,000 printed and circulated them locally. So I said, "With what you know and what I know, we can really do a good job". So I started printing in outside shops of big newspaper companies, a quarter of a million, and paid for them. Well, there's always a bottom to the barrel. I suppose we've all reached that at times.

I'm not so poor that I can't live without working and that's what worries the Anti-Defamation League. I can just get by without going and asking for a job or getting on the bread line. But Mr. McGinley is working. He's sick and he's going at this stronger than ever. And all I want to say is that they want to close up "Common Sense" more than any other single thing in the whole world, as a death-blow to the fight Christians are making to survive.

So I just want to tell you this. All they do is circulate rumors: "Mr. Benjamin H. Freedman is the wealthy backer of 'Common Sense'." The reason they do that is to discourage the people in the United States: don't send any money to Common Sense. They don't need it. The've got the wealthy Mr. Freedman as a backer. That all has strategy. They don't want to advertise me so that people that have real estate or securities to sell will come and call on me. They just want people to lay off "Common Sense". And all I'm telling you is, I do try to help him, but I haven't been able to. And I will be very honest. One thing I won't do is lie. In the last year I've had so much sickness in my family that I could not give him one dollar.

How he's managed to survive, I don't know. God alone knows. And he must be in God's care because how he's pulled through his sickness and with his financial troubles, I don't know. But that press is working. . . and every two weeks about a hundred or a hundred-fifty-thousand of "Common Sense" go out with a new message. And if that information could be multiplied. . . if people that now get it could buy ten or twenty five, or fifty, give them around. Plow that field. Sow those seeds, you don't know which will take root, but for God's sake, this is our last chance.

[Freedman then discusses the importance of people forgoing unnecessary purchases to 'buy more stuff', play golf, etc., and use the money to keep "Common Sense" going. He explains that the paper is going in debt; could be closed down and he (Freedman) no longer has the funds, having spent some $2,400,000 in his attempt to bring the information to the American public and elected officials. He then asks for questions from the audience.)

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Freedman: All right, I'll comment on that. This is rather deep, but you all have a very high degree of intelligence, so I'm going to make an attempt. In the time of Bible history, there was a geographic area known as Judea. Judea was a province of the Roman Empire. Now, a person who lived in Judea was known as a Judean, and in Latin it was Judaeus; in Greek it was Judaius. Those are the two words, in Greek and Latin, for a Judean.

Now, in Latin and Greek there is no such letter as 'j', and the first syllable of Judaeus and Judaius starts 'ghu'. Now, when the Bible was written, it was first written in Greek, Latin, Panantic, Syriac, Aramaic... all those languages. Never Was the word Jew in any of them because the word didn't exist. Judea was the country, and the people were Judeans, and Jesus was referred to only as a Judean. I've seen those early... the earliest scripts available.

In 1345, a man by the name of Wycliffe in England thought that it was time to translate the Bible into English. There was no English edition of the Bible because who the Devil could read? It was only the educated church people who could read Latin and Greek, Syriac, Aramaic and the other languages. Anyhow, Wycliffe translated the Bible into English. But in it, he had to look around for some words for Judaeas and Judaius.

There was no English word because Judea had passed out of existence. There was no Judea. People had long ago forgotten that. So in the first translation he used the word, in referring to Jesus, as 'gyu', "jew". At the time, there was no printing press.

Then, between 1345 and the 17th century, when the press came into use, that word passed through so many changes... I have them all here. If you want I can read them to you. I will. That word 'gyu' which was in the Wycliffe Bible became. . . first it was ' gyu ', then ' giu ', then ' iu ' (because the ' i ' in Latin is pronounced like the ' j '. Julius Caesar is ' Iul ' because there is no 'j' in Latin) then ' iuw ', then ' ieuu ', then ' ieuy ', then ' iwe ', then ' iow ', then ' iewe ', all in Bibles as time went on. Then ' ieue ', then ' iue ', then ' ive ', and then ' ivw ', and finally in the 18th century... ' jew '. Jew.

All the corrupt and contracted forms for Judaius, and Judaeas in Latin. Now, there was no such thing as 'Jew', and any theologian -- I've lectured in maybe 20 of the most prominent theological seminaries in this country, and two in Europe -- there was no such word as Jew. There only was Judea, and Jesus was a Judean and the first English use of a word in an English bible to describe him was 'gyu' -- Jew. A contracted and shortened form of Judaeus, just the same as we call a laboratory a 'lab', and gasoline 'gas'... a tendency to short up.

So, in England there were no public schools; people didn't know how to read; it looked like a scrambled alphabet so they made a short word out of it. Now for a theologian to say that you can't harm the Jews, is just ridiculous. I'd like to know where in the scriptures it says that. I'd like to know the text.

Look at what happened to Germany for touching Jews. What would you, as a citizen of the United States, do to people who did to you what the so-called Jews -- the Pollacks and Litvaks and Litzianers -- they weren't Jews, as I just explained to you. They were Eastern Europeans who'd been converted to Talmudism. There was no such thing as Judaism. Judaism was a name given in recent years to this religion known in Bible history as Torah [inaudible]. No Jew or no educated person ever heard of Judaism. It didn't exist. They pulled it out of the air. . . a meaningless word.

Just like 'anti-Semitic'. The Arab is a Semite. And the Christians talk about people who don't like Jews as anti-Semites, and they call all the Arabs anti-Semites. The only Semites in the world are the Arabs. There isn't one Jew who's a Semite. They're all Turkothean Mongoloids. The Eastern european Jews. So, they brainwashed the public, and if you will invite me to meet this reverend who told you these things, I'll convince him and it'll be one step in the right direction. I'll go wherever I have to go to meet him.

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Yes, ma'am. Well... I can answer that. First of all, your first premise is wrong. Your first premise that all the Jews are loyal to each other is wrong. Because, the Eastern European Jews outnumber all the rest by so many that they create the impression that they are the Jewish 'race'; that they are the Jewish nation; that they are the Jewish people. . . and the Christians swallow it like a cream puff.

But in 1844 the German rabbis called a conference of rabbis from all over the world for the purpose of abolishing the Kol Nidre from the Day of Atonement religious ceremony. In Brunswick, Germany, where that conference was held in 1844, there was almost a terrific riot. A civil war.

The Eastern Europeans said, "What the hell. We should give up Kol Nidre? That gives us our grip on our people. We give them a franchise so they can tell the Christians, 'Go to hell. We'll make any deal you want', but they don't have to carry it out. That gives us our grip on our people". So, they're not so united, and if you knew the feeling that exists. . .

Now, I'll also show you from an official document by the man responsible for. . . uh, who baptized this race. Here is a paper that we obtained from the archives of the Zionist organization in New York City, and in it is the manuscript by Sir James A. Malcolm, who -- on behalf of the British Cabinet -- negotiated the deal with these Zionists.

And in here he says that all the jews in England were against it. The Jews who had been there for years, the [inaudible - probably Sephardim], those who had Portuguese and Spanish ad Dutch ancestry... who were monotheists and believed in that religious belief. That was while the Eastern European Jews were still running around in the heart of Asia and then came into Europe. But they had no more to do with them than. . . can we talk about a Christian 'race'? or a Christian religion?... or are the Christians united?

So the same disunity is among the Jews. And I'll show you in this same document that when they went to France to try and get the French government to back that Zionist venture, there was only one Jew in France who was for it. That was Rothschild, and they did it because they were interested in the oil and the Suez Canal

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[Question inaudible] Freedman: You know why? Because if they don't, they're decked up. They come around and they tell you how much you must give, and if you don't . . . oh, you're anti-Semitic. Then none of their friends will have anything to do with them, and they start a smear campaign. . . and you have got to give.

In New York city, in the garment center, there are twelve manufacturers in the building. And when the drive is on to sell Israel Bonds, the United Jewish Drive, they put a big scoreboard with the names of the firms and opposite them, as you make the amount they put you down for, they put a gold star after the name. Then, the buyers are told, "When you come into that building to call on someone and they haven't got a gold star, tell them that you won't buy from them until they have the gold star". BLACKMAIL. I don't know what else you can call it.

Then what do they do? They tell you it's for 'humanitarian purposes' and they send maybe $8 billion dollars to Israel, tax exempt, tax deductible. So if they hadn't sent that eight billion dollars to Israel, seven billion of it would have gone into the U.S. Treasury as income tax. So what happens? That seven billion dollars deficit -- that air pocket -- the gullible Christians have to make up.

They put a bigger tax on gas or bread or corporation tax. Somebody has to pay the housekeeping expenses for the government. So why do you let these people send their money over there to buy guns to drive people out of their ancient homeland? And you say, "Oh, well. The poor Jews. They have no place to go and they've been persecuted all their lives". They've never been persecuted for their religion. And I wish I had two rows of Rabbis here to challenge me. Never once, in all of history, have they been persecuted for their religion.

Do you know why the Jews were driven out of England? King Edward the First in 1285 drove them out, and they never came back until the Cromwell Revolution which was financed by the Rothschilds. For four-hundred years there wasn't a Jew. But do you know why they were driven out? Because in the Christian faith and the Moslem faith it's a sin to charge 'rent' for the use of money. In other words - what we call interest [usury] is a sin.

So the Jews had a monopoly in England and they charged so much interest, and when the Lords and Dukes couldn't pay, they [Jews] foreclosed. And they were creating so much trouble that the king of England finally made himself their partner, because when they they came to foreclose, some of these dukes bumped off the Jews. . . the money-lenders. So the king finally said -- and this is all in history, look up Tianson [Tennyson?] or Rourke, the History of the Jews in England; two books you can find in your library. When the king found out what the trouble was all about, and how much money they were making, he declared himself a fifty-percent partner of the money lenders. Edward the First. And for many years, one-third of the revenues of the British Treasury came from the fifty-percent interest in money-lending by the Jews.

But it got worse and worse. So much worse that when the Lords and Dukes kept killing the money-lenders, the King then said, "I declare myself the heir of all the money-lenders. If they're killed you have to pay me, because I'm his sole heir". That made so much trouble, because the King had to go out and collect the money with an army, so he told the Jews to get out. There were 15,000 of them, and they had to get out, and they went across to Ireland, and that's how Ireland got to be part of the United Kingdom.

When King Edward found out what they were doing, he decided to take Ireland for himself before someone else did. He sent Robert Southgard with a mercenary army and conquered Ireland. So, show me one time where a Jew was persecuted in any country because of his religion. It has never happened. It's always their impact on the political, social, or economic customs and traditions of the community in which they settle.

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[Question inaudible] Freedman: Yes, sir. Well, they say most of those things themselves. It was unnecessary for Benjamin Franklin to say it. Most of those things they say themselves. But Benjamin Franklin observed, and by hearsay understood, what was happening in Europe.

When Russia, in 920 was formed, and gradually surrounded the Khazar Kingdom, and absorbed them, most of the well-to-do Khazars fled to Western Europe and brought with them the very things to which you object and I object and a lot of other people object. The customs, the habits, the instincts with which they were endowed.

When Benjamin Franklin referred to them as Jews because that's the name that they went by, and when the Christians first heard that these people who were fleeing from Russia -- who they were -- that they had practiced this Talmudic faith -- the Christians in Western Europe said, "They must be the remnants of the lost ten tribes!"

And Mr. Grutz, the greatest historian amongst the Jews, said that -- and he's probably as good an authority on that subject as there is. So when Ben Franklin came to Europe in the 18th century, he already saw the results of what these people had done after they left their homeland. And every word of it is true... they say it themselves. I can give you half a dozen books they've written in which they say the same thing: When they have money they become tyrants. And when they become defeated, they become ruthless. They're only barbarians. They're the descendants of Asiatic Mongols and they will do anything to accomplish their purpose.

What right did they have to take over Russia the way they did? The Czar had abdicated nine or ten months before that. There was no need for them. . . they were going to have a constitutional monarchy. But they didn't want that. When the constitutional monarchy was to assemble in November, they mowed them all down and established the Soviet Union.

There was no need for that. But they thought, "Now is the time", and if you you will look in the Encyclopedia Britannica under the word 'Bolshevism', you'll find the five laws there that Lenin put down for a successful revolution. One of them is, "Wait for the right time, and then give them everything you've got". It would pay you to read that.

You'd also find that Mr. Harold Blacktree, who wrote the article for the Encyclopedia Britannica states that the Jews conceived and created and cultivated the Communist movement. And that their energy made them the spearhead of the movement. Harold Blacktree wrote it and no one knew more about Communism than he. And the Encyclopedia Britannica for 25 years has been printing it.

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[Question inaudible] Freedman: Well, I can't advocate that you do anything that's criminal, but I can tell you this. You can start what I call an endless chain. If you can get your friends to write, objectively, here is the statement: Mr. Kennedy's office gave me this himself. Mr. Smith, who succeeded Mr. Kennedy, took over his office -- was in his office -- and gave me this. He delivered this on the 25th, and it says here:

"For release to AM (that means morning papers), August 25th". "Israel is here to stay. It is a national commitment, special obligation of the Democratic Party. The White House must take the lead. American intervention. We will act promptly and decisively against any nation in the Middle East which attacks its neighbor. I propose that we make clear to both Israel and the Arab states our guarantee that we will act with whatever force and speed are necessary to halt any aggression by any nation".

Well, do you call the return of people to their homeland [the Arab Palestinians] aggression? Is Mr. Kennedy going to do that? Suppose three million Mexicans came into Texas and drove the six million Texans into the deserts of Arizona and New Mexico. Suppose these Mexicans were slipped in there armed -- the Texans were disarmed -- and one night they drove them all out of Texas and declared themselves the Republic of the Alamo. What would the United States say?

Would we say it's aggression for these Texans to try to get their homes back from the Mexican thieves? Suppose the Negroes in Alabama were secretly armed by the Soviets and overnight they rose up and drove all the whites into the swamps of Mississippi and Georgia and Florida. . . drove them out completely, and declared themselves the Republic of Ham, or the Republic of something-or-other. Would we call it aggression if these people, the whites of Alabama, tried to go back to their homes?

Would we. . . what would we think if the soviet Union said, "No, those Negroes now occupy them! Leave them there!", or "No, those Mexicans are in Texas. they declared themselves a sovereign state. Leave them there. You have plenty of room in Utah and Nevada. Settle somewhere else".

Would we call it aggression if the Alabama whites or the Texans wanted to go back to their homes? So now, you've go Thanks for posting. It's great to see others are aware of Benjamin Freedman. I wish every American could listen to what he had to say. Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments

anarchyst , April 12, 2017 at 12:14 pm GMT \n
@NoseytheDuke Obviously a lot of people did perish in the camps as we've all seen footage countless times of piles of near-skeletal bodies being bulldozed into mass graves. It should be obvious to even a casual observer, if there could be such an individual, that these tragic deaths were clearly caused by starvation. This is seldom mentioned and all of these scenes took place towards the very end of the conflict after long range fuel tanks and the Norden bombsight had made possible accurate targeting of strategic supply lines causing massive starvation for everyone, but obviously much worse in the camps. Tragic every way one looks at it. You are correct. However, it was typhus–NOT "gas" there were no "gas chambers" in the camps the actual number of non-combatant deaths in the "European theater of operations" (camps included) was approximately 731,000 total NOT 6 million
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L.K , April 12, 2017 at 5:52 pm GMT \n
200 Words @NoseytheDuke Obviously a lot of people did perish in the camps as we've all seen footage countless times of piles of near-skeletal bodies being bulldozed into mass graves. It should be obvious to even a casual observer, if there could be such an individual, that these tragic deaths were clearly caused by starvation. This is seldom mentioned and all of these scenes took place towards the very end of the conflict after long range fuel tanks and the Norden bombsight had made possible accurate targeting of strategic supply lines causing massive starvation for everyone, but obviously much worse in the camps. Tragic every way one looks at it. Hello Nosey,
You are correct in that Allied strategic bombing of Germany as well as Germany's overall collapse at the end of the war brought about a tremendous worsening of the camps conditions.
However I should add that the near-skeletal bodies were often the result of various diseases which caused the prisoners to quickly loose weight.
For example, 'B. M. McKelway inspected Buchenwald shortly after the U.S. takeover as one of a group of American newspaper editors and publishers. He reported that " many of the hundreds of inmates we saw appeared to be healthy while others suffering from dysentery, typhus, tuberculosis and other diseases were living skeletons ."'
At Belsen, the situation had become so bad, that even after the British takeover, and despite the brits having the necessary food/medicine supplies(which the Germans did not), prisoners continued to die like flies. Nearly 30.000 perished under British control.
For me, interestingly, it was footage from these camps, which no serious historian today claims were 'death camps'( those were all allegedly in the areas taken by the Soviets), which had such a deep impact on me as a child and made me a 'believer' for so long until I found out the truth. Read More
L.K , April 12, 2017 at 5:54 pm GMT \n
BTW, great piece by L.Dinh, and all the best to the brave Rudy Dent! Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter Display All Comments
NoseytheDuke , April 13, 2017 at 12:08 am GMT \n
100 Words @L.K Hello Nosey,
You are correct in that Allied strategic bombing of Germany as well as Germany's overall collapse at the end of the war brought about a tremendous worsening of the camps conditions.
However I should add that the near-skeletal bodies were often the result of various diseases which caused the prisoners to quickly loose weight.
For example, 'B. M. McKelway inspected Buchenwald shortly after the U.S. takeover as one of a group of American newspaper editors and publishers. He reported that " many of the hundreds of inmates we saw appeared to be healthy while others suffering from dysentery, typhus, tuberculosis and other diseases were living skeletons ."'
At Belsen, the situation had become so bad, that even after the British takeover, and despite the brits having the necessary food/medicine supplies(which the Germans did not), prisoners continued to die like flies. Nearly 30.000 perished under British control.
For me, interestingly, it was footage from these camps, which no serious historian today claims were 'death camps'( those were all allegedly in the areas taken by the Soviets), which had such a deep impact on me as a child and made me a 'believer' for so long... until I found out the truth. I too accepted all of that which was shown to be true but it was the imprisonment of David Irving that made me question the accounts. I had never even read any of his books but to lock up a historian made no sense and I smelled a rodent(s).

There have always been both good and not so good historians but to criminalise a man for his views is an attack on free speech. Even now, to bring up the subject is to invite scorn and ridicule. Read More

Jonathan Revusky , Website April 13, 2017 at 6:14 pm GMT \n
300 Words @NoseytheDuke I too accepted all of that which was shown to be true but it was the imprisonment of David Irving that made me question the accounts. I had never even read any of his books but to lock up a historian made no sense and I smelled a rodent(s).

There have always been both good and not so good historians but to criminalise a man for his views is an attack on free speech. Even now, to bring up the subject is to invite scorn and ridicule.

it was the imprisonment of David Irving that made me question the accounts.

It's not just David Irving who was imprisoned for denying the gas chambers. Germar Rudolf and Ernst Zundel also. A French guy too, but his name escapes me. But also many people had their careers destroyed. (And in a couple of cases, the people groveled enough and were let off the hook, but then shut up about the topic.)

Amazon recently removed all the so-called Holocaust denial literature from their catalogue. http://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/03/11/amazon-holo/

What I find striking about all of this is that the Powers that Be are far more intent on persecuting so-called "Holocaust deniers" than 9/11 Truthers or JFK assassination researchers. They haven't banned any of those books. I'm pretty sure there are books claiming that the Clintons ordered various people assassinated and things like this that are still for sale on Amazon. You would think that all of these things would be much more sensitive topics than some discussion of what exactly happened in Auschwitz or Treblinka over 70 years ago. But no, it's the opposite! Taking things at face value, they really think that an intellectually honest discussion of WW2, particularly the Holocaust part, is a greater threat than something like 9/11 Truth!

Why is that?

I think this is a really key question to ponder and if you can begin to understand why this is so, then it breaks open one's a huge amount of the prior conditioning that exists in one's mental world. Read More Agree: L.K , Amanda

L.K , April 14, 2017 at 10:16 pm GMT \n
300 Words @Jonathan Revusky

it was the imprisonment of David Irving that made me question the accounts.
It's not just David Irving who was imprisoned for denying the gas chambers. Germar Rudolf and Ernst Zundel also. A French guy too, but his name escapes me. But also many people had their careers destroyed. (And in a couple of cases, the people groveled enough and were let off the hook, but then shut up about the topic.)

Amazon recently removed all the so-called Holocaust denial literature from their catalogue. http://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/03/11/amazon-holo/

What I find striking about all of this is that the Powers that Be are far more intent on persecuting so-called "Holocaust deniers" than 9/11 Truthers or JFK assassination researchers. They haven't banned any of those books. I'm pretty sure there are books claiming that the Clintons ordered various people assassinated and things like this that are still for sale on Amazon. You would think that all of these things would be much more sensitive topics than some discussion of what exactly happened in Auschwitz or Treblinka over 70 years ago. But no, it's the opposite! Taking things at face value, they really think that an intellectually honest discussion of WW2, particularly the Holocaust part, is a greater threat than something like 9/11 Truth!

Why is that?

I think this is a really key question to ponder and if you can begin to understand why this is so, then it breaks open one's a huge amount of the prior conditioning that exists in one's mental world. Hey Revusky,
Good to see you around!

"It's not just David Irving who was imprisoned for denying the gas chambers. Germar Rudolf and Ernst Zundel also. A French guy too"

In fact, there have been many others, besides the ones you mentioned! Heck, even grandmothers, as with Ursula Haverbeck. S.Alvarez wrote:

'Hamburg District Court, Nov. 11, 2015 - 87-year-old Ursula Haverbeck has been sentenced to imprisonment in Germany for doubting that people were "exterminated" by "gassing" in the Nazi concentration camp in Auschwitz.'

J.R: 'I think this is a really key question to ponder and if you can begin to understand why this is so, then it breaks open one's a huge amount of the prior conditioning that exists in one's mental world'

It did for me.

BtW, did you notice how the usual types started asking for Giraldi's pound of flesh for his asking the obvious question:

"In a number of European countries it is a crime to challenge the standard narrative on "the Holocaust." Why should that be? You can in much of Europe stand in a town square and say horrible things about your own country but if you criticize the factual basis of one particular "event" that took place in the 1940s you will go to jail."

Plus, Mr.Giraldi even had the temerity of placing quotation marks around the words "event" & "the Holocaust"! The usual hasbara types all demanded an 'explanation' from Giraldi
Take a look: http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/aipac-is-back-in-town/

Say, are you working on something new for us?
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Jonathan Revusky , Website April 16, 2017 at 7:40 pm GMT \n
300 Words @L.K Hey Revusky,
Good to see you around!

"It's not just David Irving who was imprisoned for denying the gas chambers. Germar Rudolf and Ernst Zundel also. A French guy too"

In fact, there have been many others, besides the ones you mentioned! Heck, even grandmothers, as with Ursula Haverbeck. S.Alvarez wrote:


'Hamburg District Court, Nov. 11, 2015 - 87-year-old Ursula Haverbeck has been sentenced to imprisonment in Germany for doubting that people were "exterminated" by "gassing" in the Nazi concentration camp in Auschwitz.'
J.R: 'I think this is a really key question to ponder and if you can begin to understand why this is so, then it breaks open one's a huge amount of the prior conditioning that exists in one's mental world'

It did for me.

BtW, did you notice how the usual types started asking for Giraldi's pound of flesh for his asking the obvious question:


"In a number of European countries it is a crime to challenge the standard narrative on "the Holocaust." Why should that be? You can in much of Europe stand in a town square and say horrible things about your own country but if you criticize the factual basis of one particular "event" that took place in the 1940s you will go to jail."
Plus, Mr.Giraldi even had the temerity of placing quotation marks around the words "event" & "the Holocaust"! The usual hasbara types all demanded an 'explanation' from Giraldi...
Take a look: http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/aipac-is-back-in-town/

Say, are you working on something new for us?
Regards

Heck, even grandmothers, as with Ursula Haverbeck.

Actually, I don't think they put Ursula in prison. I was curious about that and tried to find out, but I'm not 100% sure either. But she's like 87 years old, so it was problematic to actually send her to a penitentiary, I suppose. But they did sentence her to prison, that much is clearly true, but I think it's some form of suspended sentence in her case.

Actually, I remembered the name of the French guy I was referring to. That's Vincent Reynouard. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincent_Reynouard He's in his forties and served 9 months in prison for real apparently but the wiki page says he is living in England and can't go back to France where there is another 2 year sentence pending.

I don't know which is more amazing really:

(a) You can go to prison in much of Europe for simply expressing a view about an historical event, i.e. thought-crime.
(b) There is close to ZERO protest about it.

In a way, (b) is a more amazing, isn't it? Or another reformulation of it is: which is more amazing?

(a) the Judaeo-Zionist power structure is persecuting Holocaust revisionists and trying to imprison them and so on
(b) all the brainfucked goyim who collaborate with (a)

Again, I think (b) is more amazing than (a). And, even those who aren't actively collaborating, like judges and so forth sentencing people to prison for the thought-crimes, it's because all the rest of the goyim put up with this shit. I mean, if the German judge who sentenced Ursula Haverbeck to a prison sentence or the French judge who sentenced Vincent Reynouard were to become a social pariahs in Germany and respectively, then that would at least be a disincentive for that kind of Shabbas Goy to the bidding of the Zionists, right?

But somehow, it is only the Judaeics who can use excommunication and whatnot as a weapon of social pressure see what I mean? I'm just thinking out loud here it's a fascinating topic, no? Read More Reply Agree/Disagree/Etc. More... This Commenter This Thread Hide Thread Display All Comments

Jonathan Revusky , Website April 16, 2017 at 10:00 pm GMT \n
400 Words @L.K Hey Revusky,
Good to see you around!

"It's not just David Irving who was imprisoned for denying the gas chambers. Germar Rudolf and Ernst Zundel also. A French guy too"

In fact, there have been many others, besides the ones you mentioned! Heck, even grandmothers, as with Ursula Haverbeck. S.Alvarez wrote:


'Hamburg District Court, Nov. 11, 2015 - 87-year-old Ursula Haverbeck has been sentenced to imprisonment in Germany for doubting that people were "exterminated" by "gassing" in the Nazi concentration camp in Auschwitz.'
J.R: 'I think this is a really key question to ponder and if you can begin to understand why this is so, then it breaks open one's a huge amount of the prior conditioning that exists in one's mental world'

It did for me.

BtW, did you notice how the usual types started asking for Giraldi's pound of flesh for his asking the obvious question:


"In a number of European countries it is a crime to challenge the standard narrative on "the Holocaust." Why should that be? You can in much of Europe stand in a town square and say horrible things about your own country but if you criticize the factual basis of one particular "event" that took place in the 1940s you will go to jail."
Plus, Mr.Giraldi even had the temerity of placing quotation marks around the words "event" & "the Holocaust"! The usual hasbara types all demanded an 'explanation' from Giraldi...
Take a look: http://www.unz.com/pgiraldi/aipac-is-back-in-town/

Say, are you working on something new for us?
Regards

Plus, Mr.Giraldi even had the temerity of placing quotation marks around the words "event" & "the Holocaust"! The usual hasbara types all demanded an 'explanation'

I noticed that Uncle Talha was in there too, absolutely intent on not saying anything controversial about the Big H topic. Like 9/11, he manages somehow to not really know anything about it. I assume that would always turn out to be the case for any sensitive topic - I mean sensitive for his Zionists masters. He would always tiptoe around it.

He really is like some Muslim (and I now think he really is a Muslim BTW) who has completely internalized the various Zionist-imposed limits of discourse. The whole Uncle Talha discourse is to accept every Zionist synthetic narrative and then say: "But I'm a sweet, good Muzzie, not the kind who flies planes into buildings and beheads people. Those are the bad, bad Muzzies ."

In some weird way, he might be sincere, in the sense that he really does believe that it is so terrible to be a "conspiracy theorist" and even worse to be a "Holocaust denier" and, in general, it is of maximal importance not to cross any of the lines in the sand that the Zionists have drawn. But it is really sort of disgusting to observe the way he is so psychologically dominated by these people. I earlier called him their "Pakistani poodle" and their "Muzzie mascot" and even the "Uncle Talha" label is nasty in itself, but I can't really take any of it back or anything. I think it's all accurate.

He goes along with every constructed blood-libel against Muslims, like 9/11 and all the rest, but then says he's a defender of Islam because he gets into arguments about stuff that was happening in the Middle Ages! That is such pure idiocy! He's like a guy who thinks he's a great poker player because everybody loves playing poker with him. "I must be a great Muslim because these Zionist shills all say so!" Like that poker player, it does not occur to him that if these people like you, you're probably doing something wrong!

All that said, it can be somewhat offputting to deal with their seething hostility. I mean, those guys like Shama and the rest really hate my guts. I can feel it. But I do then remind myself that that is a key sign that I must be doing something right!

Say, are you working on something new for us?

I'm trying to write a couple of different articles, but it does not come easy to me.

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[Apr 22, 2017] Obscured American Rudy Dent a 9-11 First Responder - The Unz Review

Notable quotes:
"... I saw the contradiction in real time, absolutely. You know, I was there in 1993. I was inside the building with the FBI. I saw the immensity of that explosion. It was surreal. I mean, it was fully intended to bring down, to topple the building. It blew a hole in the ground, through the concrete, about three stories down. ..."
"... You know, they waited, then they did it again. In 2001, I was there to see the third building come down, and what caught my attention were not the explosions, because I'm used to explosions. I spent two and a half years in Vietnam, so I'm used to explosions, but when I saw my fellow firefighters jump in a panic reaction to the loud noise of an explosion, which they're not used to, and they're not trained for, that's what shocked me. My fellow firefighters, they're professional guys, but for the most part, they're not combat veterans, right? ..."
"... I looked at the building where the explosions came from, and that's when I saw building 7 come down. ..."
"... You know, the real simple thing anybody can see, from the start, is that if they look at Tower 1 or 2, it's disintegrating from the top down. It's being demolished, pulverized and blown up, from the top down, while the base remains solid. The difference with Building 7 is they blow it up from the bottom, and you see the whole building come down intact. That's something any layman can look at and say, "Wait a minute! Something's wrong here. Something is very, very wrong here." ..."
"... I spoke out right away, on FaceBook, then I met Richard Gage. That's when I started to speak out on behalf of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth. ..."
"... Richard brought it to the public's attention. He broke into the mainstream and had them begrudgingly acknowledge that there was a Building 7. Otherwise, we would still not even know that Building 7 went down, so he was a key player. Given the legitimacy of Architects and Engineers, specifically focusing on their area of expertise, they could not be marginalized and dismissed. ..."
"... The mainstream media interviewed Richard only with the intent of luring him into a trap. That is, of having him make a comment such as, "Well, it's a conspiracy theory, you know," but he avoided every trick and trap they tried to lure him into, and he responded by saying, "That's a political assumption. We're not political. We are specialists in our area of expertise, and we're questioning the 9/11 Commission's findings." ..."
"... I don't know if you know this story, but Richard bought pizza for all of his associate architects, just to get them to come in and listen to him. Otherwise, nobody wanted to hear anything about "conspiracy theories," and against the government, no less. That's a big stretch and, you know, almost un-American. ..."
"... Being involved with this has cost me friends, family, health. You spend long hours researching it, and that's time you're not doing what you'd normally be doing. I used to be very physical. I used to like to do a lot of landscaping. Spending long hours sitting down, researching stuff, takes a toll on your eyes, and it's not good for your health. ..."
"... Friends, you know, who are still stuck in cognitive dissonance, you're at odds with them, and family. Just because they're family doesn't mean they'll go along with you. They're stuck where they are. ..."
"... It's a painful trip for everybody. People who've really gotten into researching 9/11, something didn't sit right with them, so somewhere along the line, they had a kind of trauma, you know, a trigger that got them into actually looking into it a bit further, and thinking for themselves. ..."
"... I conveyed my disbelief on the web, on FaceBook, but I knew what I was dealing with. Cognitive dissonance is a powerful thing. I took my time and let my FaceBook friends get to know me. I would address it a little bit at a time, with a little bit of evidence. I'd impartially ask questions. If I went too far, I'd get a deafening silence, because nobody wanted to stick their neck out. It was like saying, "Yeah, I believe in flying saucers." It's a touchy subject that affects your credibility. ..."
"... I simply took it real slow. People got to know me then, finally, instead of a deafening silence, people started responding, adding more information, based on their own research. ..."
"... All these videos that were coming out, I'd share them. Now, if you go on the web, the information you're getting is phenomenal, so it's not even you sharing what you know, but you benefiting from other people sharing what they know. ..."
"... In the beginning, there were firefighters who were there telling what they saw, as survivors, but a lot of them went out with injuries, with lung problems. I had lung problems myself. We lost a lot of experienced firefighters from that day, and directly afterwards. There were guys who came down really sick. For about two or three months, I had all kinds of gray, black phlegm coming out of my lungs. ..."
"... We've got a new batch of firefighters who are trained and disciplined to follow orders and not question, so they follow the official line that's handed down the chain of command. This is what happened, this is what the 9/11 Commission said. That's it. They left it at that. ..."
"... As for the older guys, most of them are gone. They were forced to retire with lung problems and things like that. For the most part, 9/11 is not discussed in the firehouse. ..."
"... I sense, from talking to the guys, right there in the firehouse, that there's a morale problem. They're starting to understand that they have no protection from this new kind of, ah, sudden collapse syndrome. If it were to occur again, they would be expected to just charge into a building, as they did before, and put their lives on the line. ..."
"... The training in the New York City Fire Department is absolutely top notch. The people in the research of standard operational procedures are really the best you can get. They don't want any man to come back and haunt them for a lack of training, but here, you have a situation where there's no corrective measure to prevent a repeat of what happened. ..."
"... As with soldiers, there is no respect for firemen at all. You know Henry Kissinger. Did you see his famous quote? He said, "Soldiers are dumb, stupid animals to be used." ..."
"... As a result of that false flag operation, we lost more people on that day than we did at Pearl Harbor. Now, Pearl Harbor was also a false flag. We have broken the Japanese code, and we knew an attack was imminent. ..."
"... FDR had to comply with the wishes of the Zionists, you know, the Globalists' intent to start World War II. They needed a false flag, so Pearl Harbor was that false flag. From there, they got their World War II, and their myth of a six-million Holocaust. I researched that, and that's a complete lie. ..."
"... All you have to do is go to the International Red Cross and look at their detailed findings, because they had access to the so-called concentration camps, which were in fact work camps. Auschwitz itself, I've posted on that. There's a very good video called, "One Third of the Holocaust," and it explains all that. ..."
"... There's a lot going on. Right now, as a result of 9/11, we're sending off our sons and daughters to invade sovereign nations, based on preemptive strikes and false flags, to kill people we have more in common with than the people who are sending us. ..."
"... And they come back in boxes, they come back missing limbs, they come back with traumatic brain injury, post traumatic stress disorder, and currently committing suicide at the rate of 22 per day. You don't see that on the front page, where it should be, every day. So, that's another proof that the mainstream media is in the hands of the enemy, and it's not doing its job. ..."
"... It's all connected. It's all part of the big picture. I was arguing with an academic who was doing a detailed research on Hitler and how the Zionists funded his early beginning. OK, fine, that's all good and well, but if you're going to look at something, look at every relevant dimension of it. ..."
"... So anyway, I tried to explain that to him, and he said, "Well, what does my research have to do with America?" ..."
"... I said, "Really? Did you really ask me that?! And you're supposed to be intelligent?" ..."
"... In the time of the Renaissance, there were big, strong warriors who wore heavy armor and were hoisted by a pulley system onto the saddle of their Clydesdale, right? With their lance, very powerful, they were the tanks of their day. ..."
"... When they got injured, the procedure was to take a sword and put it in the fire until it got orange, then they laid it in the wound to cauterize it. There was no stitching or anything like that. It used to take ten men to try to hold that warrior down, until they discovered that all it took was a young, pretty maiden, you know. All she had to do was put her hand on the back of the warrior's wrist, and he wouldn't scream out, he wouldn't fight back, he would take it, right? ..."
"... Now, that's a good example of how we have been chained, and given a taboo in our brain against even daring to question the so-called Holocaust, their big cash cow. I'm here to tell you it is an outright, utter lie. ..."
"... In my town, I have a lot of good friends that are Jewish, and there are a lot of decent, good Jewish people who are no different than any of us. They work, they even go to war, pay their taxes, they're no different than us. They may not even be religious, they're secular, right? They just happen to be Jewish, but those same people are being used. ..."
"... In America, the population of Jewish people is 2%. Within that 2%, there are 4% who are the hardcore, extremist elements who are the policy makers, who run and control America. ..."
"... We have a sadly predictable, knee jerk reaction that's instilled in us, so that we feel compassion for the poor Jews who were actually burnt alive in an oven, and all the stories they put out, you know, when in fact, it was nothing but a cover story to cover the real atrocity that they committed, and the millions of people that they exterminated, and the fact that they were behind, that the Rothschild bankers were instigating, orchestrating and profiting from World War II. ..."
"... So it's all connected, and our minds have been polluted with over 70 years of indoctrination to actually believe this stuff, and see the world through our enemy's eyes, being incapable of seeing their lies. ..."
"... When we dare to venture into looking into that, we risk alienating a lot of friends. ..."
"... Living in my town, I saw what was being done by the Ultra Orthodox and Orthodox, the way they took over the town. As a police officer, I believed I could handle myself because I knew the laws, then I found out the laws were being circumvented by politicians who were bought and paid for by the bloc vote, the Ultra Orthodox Jews, a religious hate cult. ..."
"... A really good perspective is Henry Ford's book, and they bought it all up and destroyed as many as they could. Ford sponsored scholars to go around the world and study the Jewish issue, and they wrote a book called The International Jew, and that's what the problem is. ..."
"... This Zionist political movement is a globalist movement. They may be born in a country, grew up in it and even be successful in that country, as German Jews were, you know, but they have no loyalty to their hosts. ..."
"... After four years, I was happy to get out of the police department because I could see that the prison industrial complex was a profitable business, by design, just like the Holocaust industrial complex. ..."
"... It's a vicious, repetitious cycle where you have victims victimizing, and as long as you have an influx of perpetrators to use as slave labor, stamping out license plates, making lights and stuff like that, it's a profitable business. ..."
"... Why do you think all these entrepreneurs want to get private prisons and build them? One of them sued the state because they didn't provide him with enough prisoners. We don't care if they're innocent, go out and arrest them! ..."
"... Linh Dinh 's Postcards from the End of America has just been released by Seven Stories Press. He maintains an active photo blog . ..."
Apr 22, 2017 | www.unz.com
Obscured American: Rudy Dent a 9-11 First Responder Linh Dinh April 9, 2017 2,900 Words 121 Comments Reply Rudy Dent in Detroit, 2017 Jump To... Content Top Bottom Section Prev Current Next Bookmark Toggle All ToC Remove from Library Add to Library Bookmarks On February 18th, I was in Detroit to attend a presentation , "The War on Islam: 9/11 Revisited, Uncovered & Exposed." Sponsored by the Nation of Islam , it featured Kevin Barrett, Richard Gage and Christopher Bollyn.

Prefacing, Ilia Rashad Muhammad remarked that 9/11 is more relevant than ever, since it has been used to curb the freedoms of all Americans, especially Muslims. Moreover, it has "literally impacted America, and the world, like never before." As a pretext for endless war, 9/11 hasn't just deformed this whole earth, it threatens to destroy it.

Reminding us that false flags are far from unusual, Kevin Barrett cited 10 famous examples from history: Nero allegedly burning Rome; Gunpowder Plot; sinking of the USS Maine; sending of the Lusitania, a passenger ship loaded with explosives, into a war zone; Pearl Harbor; Gulf of Tonkin Incident; Israel's attack on the USS Liberty; bombing of the USS Cole; 1993 World Trade Center bombing; all the post 9-11 false flags, including Orlando, Charlie Hebdo and the ones in Paris in November of 2015, etc.; 9/11.

Richard Gage patiently proved that the collapse of all three WTC buildings couldn't have been caused by fire. He paid particular attention to Building 7, which was hit by no plane and suffered almost no damage before it collapsed, at free fall speed, into its own footprint. Gage stated that nano-thermite was found in WTC dust samples, and asked why 163,000 tons of concrete pulverized in mid-air? His organization, the 2,500-strong Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth, simply wants a proper investigation into what happened.

Christopher Bollyn began by thanking Louis Farrakhan as "the only religious leader in our nation who has addressed the gigantic, horrendous fraud of 9/11." Then:

9/11 was carried out to kick start the War on Terror, a Zionist war agenda of aggression, terrorism and conquest which continues to this day [...] We will not have peace as a nation, or a world, if we continue to accept the deception of 9/11 [...] If the government and media are lying to us about 9/11, it means that they are controlled by the very same people who carried out 9/11 [...] Both 9/11 and the War on Terror were conceived and planned in Israel in the 1970's by Israeli military intelligence [...] The War on Terror is an Israeli stratagem, a ploy pushed by Netanyahu-since 1979-to trick the United States into waging war against Israel's enemies.

With the 1979 Jerusalem Conference on International Terrorism, the book Terrorism: How the West Can Win and speech after speech, Netanyahu's central project is the War on Terror. Bollyn pointed out the absurdity of Bibi's stance considering that Israel was founded on terror, is maintained by terror, and had a master terrorist, Menachim Begin, as one of its prime ministers.

All three speakers were raptly received by an audience of about two thousand, all but a dozen of them Black Muslims. Mingling afterwards, I met Rudy Dent , a retired fireman, ex cop and Vietnam vet. Flying from NYC, Dent was only in Detroit for a few hours.

This mild, affable man is known for an InfoWars interview , conducted in Times Square on September 11th, 2014. It already has 2.4 million views. Dent spoke of firemen being in Building 7 "calling for additional hand lines to mop up the isolated pockets of fire." Because no skyscrapers had ever collapse due to fire, they never suspected this 52-story building would suddenly become their tomb.

Explaining that fire cannot, by itself, burn hot enough to melt steel, Dent related:

What we had in the WorldTradeCenter, and I saw myself, was molten, lava-like pockets of molten steel, all right? I spent the night on the pile searching for bodies, and I saw that with my own eyes. So who are you going to believe? Are you going to believe a bunch of government bureaucrats, or my fellow brothers, which I lost 343 guys that day? And I lost Tommy O'Hagan, Bruce van Hines and Kenny Cumple, and I can never forget that. I think of that before I go to bed. I think about it first thing in the morning when I wake up, and it's in honor of them and their family that I will continue to do everything I can to make the rest of the world wake up to the fact that this was a false flag operation.

In Detroit, I tagged along as Dent was driven to the airport. We talked about his life, world view and, of course, experience of 9/11.

I saw the contradiction in real time, absolutely. You know, I was there in 1993. I was inside the building with the FBI. I saw the immensity of that explosion. It was surreal. I mean, it was fully intended to bring down, to topple the building. It blew a hole in the ground, through the concrete, about three stories down.

You know, they waited, then they did it again. In 2001, I was there to see the third building come down, and what caught my attention were not the explosions, because I'm used to explosions. I spent two and a half years in Vietnam, so I'm used to explosions, but when I saw my fellow firefighters jump in a panic reaction to the loud noise of an explosion, which they're not used to, and they're not trained for, that's what shocked me. My fellow firefighters, they're professional guys, but for the most part, they're not combat veterans, right?

I looked at the building where the explosions came from, and that's when I saw building 7 come down.

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You know, the real simple thing anybody can see, from the start, is that if they look at Tower 1 or 2, it's disintegrating from the top down. It's being demolished, pulverized and blown up, from the top down, while the base remains solid. The difference with Building 7 is they blow it up from the bottom, and you see the whole building come down intact. That's something any layman can look at and say, "Wait a minute! Something's wrong here. Something is very, very wrong here."

I spoke out right away, on FaceBook, then I met Richard Gage. That's when I started to speak out on behalf of Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth.

Richard brought it to the public's attention. He broke into the mainstream and had them begrudgingly acknowledge that there was a Building 7. Otherwise, we would still not even know that Building 7 went down, so he was a key player. Given the legitimacy of Architects and Engineers, specifically focusing on their area of expertise, they could not be marginalized and dismissed.

The mainstream media interviewed Richard only with the intent of luring him into a trap. That is, of having him make a comment such as, "Well, it's a conspiracy theory, you know," but he avoided every trick and trap they tried to lure him into, and he responded by saying, "That's a political assumption. We're not political. We are specialists in our area of expertise, and we're questioning the 9/11 Commission's findings."

I don't know if you know this story, but Richard bought pizza for all of his associate architects, just to get them to come in and listen to him. Otherwise, nobody wanted to hear anything about "conspiracy theories," and against the government, no less. That's a big stretch and, you know, almost un-American.

Being involved with this has cost me friends, family, health. You spend long hours researching it, and that's time you're not doing what you'd normally be doing. I used to be very physical. I used to like to do a lot of landscaping. Spending long hours sitting down, researching stuff, takes a toll on your eyes, and it's not good for your health.

Friends, you know, who are still stuck in cognitive dissonance, you're at odds with them, and family. Just because they're family doesn't mean they'll go along with you. They're stuck where they are.

It's a painful trip for everybody. People who've really gotten into researching 9/11, something didn't sit right with them, so somewhere along the line, they had a kind of trauma, you know, a trigger that got them into actually looking into it a bit further, and thinking for themselves.

I conveyed my disbelief on the web, on FaceBook, but I knew what I was dealing with. Cognitive dissonance is a powerful thing. I took my time and let my FaceBook friends get to know me. I would address it a little bit at a time, with a little bit of evidence. I'd impartially ask questions. If I went too far, I'd get a deafening silence, because nobody wanted to stick their neck out. It was like saying, "Yeah, I believe in flying saucers." It's a touchy subject that affects your credibility.

I simply took it real slow. People got to know me then, finally, instead of a deafening silence, people started responding, adding more information, based on their own research.

All these videos that were coming out, I'd share them. Now, if you go on the web, the information you're getting is phenomenal, so it's not even you sharing what you know, but you benefiting from other people sharing what they know.

In the beginning, there were firefighters who were there telling what they saw, as survivors, but a lot of them went out with injuries, with lung problems. I had lung problems myself. We lost a lot of experienced firefighters from that day, and directly afterwards. There were guys who came down really sick. For about two or three months, I had all kinds of gray, black phlegm coming out of my lungs.

We've got a new batch of firefighters who are trained and disciplined to follow orders and not question, so they follow the official line that's handed down the chain of command. This is what happened, this is what the 9/11 Commission said. That's it. They left it at that.

As for the older guys, most of them are gone. They were forced to retire with lung problems and things like that. For the most part, 9/11 is not discussed in the firehouse.

I sense, from talking to the guys, right there in the firehouse, that there's a morale problem. They're starting to understand that they have no protection from this new kind of, ah, sudden collapse syndrome. If it were to occur again, they would be expected to just charge into a building, as they did before, and put their lives on the line.

The training in the New York City Fire Department is absolutely top notch. The people in the research of standard operational procedures are really the best you can get. They don't want any man to come back and haunt them for a lack of training, but here, you have a situation where there's no corrective measure to prevent a repeat of what happened.

As with soldiers, there is no respect for firemen at all. You know Henry Kissinger. Did you see his famous quote? He said, "Soldiers are dumb, stupid animals to be used."

As a result of that false flag operation, we lost more people on that day than we did at Pearl Harbor. Now, Pearl Harbor was also a false flag. We have broken the Japanese code, and we knew an attack was imminent.

FDR had to comply with the wishes of the Zionists, you know, the Globalists' intent to start World War II. They needed a false flag, so Pearl Harbor was that false flag. From there, they got their World War II, and their myth of a six-million Holocaust. I researched that, and that's a complete lie.

All you have to do is go to the International Red Cross and look at their detailed findings, because they had access to the so-called concentration camps, which were in fact work camps. Auschwitz itself, I've posted on that. There's a very good video called, "One Third of the Holocaust," and it explains all that.

ORDER IT NOW

There's a lot going on. Right now, as a result of 9/11, we're sending off our sons and daughters to invade sovereign nations, based on preemptive strikes and false flags, to kill people we have more in common with than the people who are sending us.

And they come back in boxes, they come back missing limbs, they come back with traumatic brain injury, post traumatic stress disorder, and currently committing suicide at the rate of 22 per day. You don't see that on the front page, where it should be, every day. So, that's another proof that the mainstream media is in the hands of the enemy, and it's not doing its job.

It's all connected. It's all part of the big picture. I was arguing with an academic who was doing a detailed research on Hitler and how the Zionists funded his early beginning. OK, fine, that's all good and well, but if you're going to look at something, look at every relevant dimension of it.

So anyway, I tried to explain that to him, and he said, "Well, what does my research have to do with America?"

I said, "Really? Did you really ask me that?! And you're supposed to be intelligent?"

In the time of the Renaissance, there were big, strong warriors who wore heavy armor and were hoisted by a pulley system onto the saddle of their Clydesdale, right? With their lance, very powerful, they were the tanks of their day.

When they got injured, the procedure was to take a sword and put it in the fire until it got orange, then they laid it in the wound to cauterize it. There was no stitching or anything like that. It used to take ten men to try to hold that warrior down, until they discovered that all it took was a young, pretty maiden, you know. All she had to do was put her hand on the back of the warrior's wrist, and he wouldn't scream out, he wouldn't fight back, he would take it, right?

Now, that's a good example of how we have been chained, and given a taboo in our brain against even daring to question the so-called Holocaust, their big cash cow. I'm here to tell you it is an outright, utter lie.

In my town, I have a lot of good friends that are Jewish, and there are a lot of decent, good Jewish people who are no different than any of us. They work, they even go to war, pay their taxes, they're no different than us. They may not even be religious, they're secular, right? They just happen to be Jewish, but those same people are being used.

In America, the population of Jewish people is 2%. Within that 2%, there are 4% who are the hardcore, extremist elements who are the policy makers, who run and control America.

We have a sadly predictable, knee jerk reaction that's instilled in us, so that we feel compassion for the poor Jews who were actually burnt alive in an oven, and all the stories they put out, you know, when in fact, it was nothing but a cover story to cover the real atrocity that they committed, and the millions of people that they exterminated, and the fact that they were behind, that the Rothschild bankers were instigating, orchestrating and profiting from World War II.

So it's all connected, and our minds have been polluted with over 70 years of indoctrination to actually believe this stuff, and see the world through our enemy's eyes, being incapable of seeing their lies.

When we dare to venture into looking into that, we risk alienating a lot of friends.

Living in my town, I saw what was being done by the Ultra Orthodox and Orthodox, the way they took over the town. As a police officer, I believed I could handle myself because I knew the laws, then I found out the laws were being circumvented by politicians who were bought and paid for by the bloc vote, the Ultra Orthodox Jews, a religious hate cult.

A really good perspective is Henry Ford's book, and they bought it all up and destroyed as many as they could. Ford sponsored scholars to go around the world and study the Jewish issue, and they wrote a book called The International Jew, and that's what the problem is.

This Zionist political movement is a globalist movement. They may be born in a country, grew up in it and even be successful in that country, as German Jews were, you know, but they have no loyalty to their hosts.

After four years, I was happy to get out of the police department because I could see that the prison industrial complex was a profitable business, by design, just like the Holocaust industrial complex.

It's a vicious, repetitious cycle where you have victims victimizing, and as long as you have an influx of perpetrators to use as slave labor, stamping out license plates, making lights and stuff like that, it's a profitable business.

Why do you think all these entrepreneurs want to get private prisons and build them? One of them sued the state because they didn't provide him with enough prisoners. We don't care if they're innocent, go out and arrest them!

Linh Dinh 's Postcards from the End of America has just been released by Seven Stories Press. He maintains an active photo blog .

[Apr 18, 2017] Dear Washington the era of the false flag attack is now over

Notable quotes:
"... None other than Russian President Vladimir Putin then spoke out, saying that Russia believed similar "provocations" were being planned ..."
Apr 18, 2017 | theduran.com
Not so long ago, using the term "false flag" immediately marked you as a "conspiracy theorist," – basically a nutcase not in touch with reality. Supposedly.

In case anybody still doesn't know, a "false flag [attack/event]" is an incident perpetrated by one party (usually a state) either against itself or someone else, while making it appear that a third party is to blame.

False flag events are far from a new idea. King Gustav III of Sweden staged an attack on one of his own outposts using soldiers in fake Russian uniforms, to provide a pretext for initiating war against Russia in 1788.

In the Gleiwitz Incident , Nazi Germany apparently staged an attack on a German radio station, in order to blame Poland and provide propaganda supporting the decision to go to war.

However, it is the United States which, in the 20th and 21st centuries, has been most frequently accused of perpetrating false flag events.

The 1898 Spanish-American war started after a US battleship, the Maine, mysteriously blew up in Havana harbor . The cause was never conclusively proven, but Spain was immediately blamed, and Congress declared war. (Nobody apparently asked what a US battleship was doing parked in another country's harbor in the first place.)

Operation Northwoods was a plan developed by the Joint Chiefs of Staff and submitted to President John F. Kennedy in 1962, proposing various scenarios for faking terrorist attacks on the US and blaming them on Cuba. Kennedy rejected the plan.

Many consider the Gulf of Tonkin incident of 1964, which was used to introduce US ground troops into Vietnam, to have been a false flag. And millions of people world wide do not believe the official narrative of what occurred during the 9-11 attacks.

When the United States accused the Syrian government, led by President Bashar al-Assad, of unleashing a sarin gas attack on civilians in the town of Khan Shaykhun in the Idlib province of Syria on April 4th – an incident which brought him no advantage, but played directly to the advantage of his enemies – the alternative media sphere immediately began crying foul.

Twitter exploded with indications that the event was staged, with so-called "white helmets" humanitarian workers caught in multiple compromising positions:

However, the proof in social media was only the first blow. None other than Russian President Vladimir Putin then spoke out, saying that Russia believed similar "provocations" were being planned:

http://www.youtube.com/embed/bACg_VPECmk

His statement was followed by an extended interview given by Syrian President Assad, whose reasoned responses ripped to sheds the accusations of his accusers:

http://www.youtube.com/embed/Syyq7zbTuTA

These public statements by two leading world statesmen immediately added impetus to the claims in alternative media that a false flag attack had indeed occurred.

Then, in a clear message to the United States, Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov followed up his April 12th meeting with Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, by meeting with the foreign ministers of Iran and Syria in Moscow only two days later, April 14th – a clear show of solidarity.

This followed Tillerson's demand at the G7 in Lucca that Russia should "reconsider" its alliance with Iran and Syria.

At the press conference afterward, Lavrov stated about the alleged chemical attack:

There is growing evidence that this was staged – meaning the incident with the use of chemical weapons in Idlib province.

What makes the false flag at Khan Shaykhun unlike previous false flags is the speed with which it was exposed – both on the internet using the alleged footage itself, and possibly for the first time, by other state parties (Russia and Syria) opposed to the agenda the perpetrators seek to advance.

Now "false flag" has essentially entered the normal political lexicon.

And normalizing awareness of what a false flag is, along with decreasing acceptance of it as a state tactic, essentially means it will be increasingly difficult to succeed with one in the future.

Thus, it can be said that the era in which government orchestrated false flags can be carried out with a high chance of success is effectively over. Both modern communication media (i.e. the internet and smart phones) and risk of exposure by opposing governments will make it high-risk, low reward-undertaking.

That is not to say false flags will not continue to happen. They will. After all, the deep state apparatus appears both highly resistant to change, and severely lacking in originality. But such events will be increasingly less likely to be successful in convincing observers that the party they intend to implicate is the one to blame.

[Apr 18, 2017] Blame Putin! scheme is much older then recent Presidential elections

Notable quotes:
"... Most of the information about the specific instance of the CIA torturing an individual in Lebanon came from a biography on Bob Ames titled The Good Spy (2014) by Kai Bird. Which was a pretty good book. Ames has an interesting history. He forged a relationship which the author characterized as a friendship with high ranking individuals in the Palestinian Liberation Organization at a time when the PLO was labeled as a terrorist organization. It was this back channel connection that formed the basis of American diplomacy for peace negotiations between the Israelis and Palestinians. He died in the 1983 embassy bombing. ..."
"... Similar methods that resulted in the death of prisoners during CIA's systemic torture program during the Bush Administration were used. They'd dump cold water on'em and leave them in a cold cell. Nimr was left in a cell with a fan blowing cold air on them. Hall wasn't present at the time Nimr died. ..."
"... Besides the embassy bombing Mughniyeh was blamed for a lot of other terrorist acts that I think are based on nothing more than circumstantial evidence. Contemporary analysis suggests it's basically the "Blame Putin!" trope in action. ..."
Jan 01, 2017 | www.nakedcapitalism.com
Andrew Watts , December 31, 2016 at 3:03 pm

*I was in a rush yesterday so this is a follow-up to yesterday's hastily written comment on the torture report. Any fault or errors in that comment can be attributed to my gullibility.

Most of the information about the specific instance of the CIA torturing an individual in Lebanon came from a biography on Bob Ames titled The Good Spy (2014) by Kai Bird. Which was a pretty good book. Ames has an interesting history. He forged a relationship which the author characterized as a friendship with high ranking individuals in the Palestinian Liberation Organization at a time when the PLO was labeled as a terrorist organization. It was this back channel connection that formed the basis of American diplomacy for peace negotiations between the Israelis and Palestinians. He died in the 1983 embassy bombing.

-The individual who was tortured and died soon afterward was Elias Nimr . A Christian intelligence chieftain who appears to have played every side and angle he could during the Lebanon Civil War.

-The name of the CIA contractor who tortured Nimr was identified as Keith "Captain Crunch" Hall . He was originally identified by Mark Bowden in his book Road Work: Among Tyrants, Heroes, Rogues, and Beasts. (2007) A former Marine before he joined the CIA and was later a cop in California.

Similar methods that resulted in the death of prisoners during CIA's systemic torture program during the Bush Administration were used. They'd dump cold water on'em and leave them in a cold cell. Nimr was left in a cell with a fan blowing cold air on them. Hall wasn't present at the time Nimr died.

-Bob Baer neglects to mention this specific incident of torture in See No Evil but doesn't blame Nimr for the bombing of the embassy. *cough* Appropriately titled book if you ask me. *cough* A part of his theory on the masterminds behind the '83 embassy bombings involves a former PLO turned Hezbollah operative named Imad Mughniyeh . Baer claims that Mughniyeh is was still in contact with his old Fatah contacts when the embassy was bombed.

Besides the embassy bombing Mughniyeh was blamed for a lot of other terrorist acts that I think are based on nothing more than circumstantial evidence. Contemporary analysis suggests it's basically the "Blame Putin!" trope in action.

-The name of the alleged defector from the Iranian Revolutionary Guard was actually a deputy defense minister and former brigadier general named Ali Reza Asgari . There was and still probably is controversy whether he was kidnapped or defected. The Iranians wouldn't want it known that such a high ranking defector went over to the West hence the kidnapping story.

Hah! Guess not posting much for a few months finally caught up with me.

[Apr 12, 2017] Did Assad Really Use Sarin

Notable quotes:
"... is a journalist based in Madison, WI whose work focuses on the Middle East. He can be reached via Twitter @paulgottinger or email: paul.gottinger@gmail.com ..."
Apr 12, 2017 | www.counterpunch.org

Almost immediately after video of the alleged chemical weapons attack in Idlib hit Western media, Assad was declared guilty by US news networks and political commentators. The front page of the New York Times on April 5 th showed a heartbreaking image of a child wounded in the alleged chemical attack with a headline claiming Assad was responsible.

By the afternoon of April 7, a US attack seemed inevitable as both Rex Tillerson and Trump said action would be taken.

Between Democrats and Republicans, a bipartisan consensus emerged, rare in the Trump presidency, whereby Assad was deemed guilty and Trump was goaded on to attack. The few voices of dissent seemed mostly concerned with the lack of constitutional approval for the strike

The night of the strike, US media snapped into DPRK-style, state media mode. TV pundits fell into a trance while expressing the " beauty " of American power being unleashed on a country already destroyed by 6 years of war.

Pundits described the attack as "surgical" despite the pentagon quietly admitting one of the missiles missed its target and they don't know where it landed. My questions to both CENTCOM and the Secretary of Defense Office on the missing cruise missile have thus far gone unanswered. However, Syrian sources claim civilians were killed in the missile strike.

Trump justified the attack by invoking religiously themed buzzwords and unconvincing blather on the "beautiful babies" murdered in the chemical attack.

Following the attack, Trump officials' statements indicated there was a shift towards regime change. UN ambassador Nikki Haley said Sunday that removing Assad is now a priority.

The Neocon sharks have started circling too. Bill Kristol tweeted that these strikes should be used to move towards regime change in Iran. Marco Rubio, Lindsey Graham, and John McCain have all joined in too, their mouths watering at the thought of ousting Assad.

But was Assad really responsible for the attack?

To ask such a question is to be deemed an "Assadist" by pundits and discourse police across the political spectrum.

Neither the lack of an independent investigation, nor the fact that nearly all the information on the alleged attack has come from rebel sources, who stand to benefit from a US response, is deemed sufficient cause for skepticism.

In a civilized society an actor is be presumed to be innocent until proven guilty. If guilt is determined, a legally justified course of action is taken. In the US however, if the accused is a US enemy, no evidence is needed, and even deranged conspiracies are given play in mainstream media coverage.

The best recent example of this is the US media's conspiracy about Russia stealing the US election and working for Trump. The US media has stooped so low as to even push bizarre conspiracies by Louise Mensch . She recently claimed the 2014 uprising in Ferguson was a Russian plot.

In the case of the alleged attack on Khan Sheikhun, US officials and pro-war experts immediately declared Assad's guilty and then cheered on an illegal use of force. This is all very reminiscent of the lead up to the Iraq war.

In an eerie coincidence, Michael R. Gordon, who with Judith Miller helped sell the Iraq WMD story to Americans, coauthored the New York Times April 4th article on Assad's alleged sarin attack at Khan Sheikhun.

To help sell the sarin narrative, the US media brought on a doctor to describe the alleged attack that has been accused of helping kidnap journalists in his work with extremists.

When the US investigated its own airstrike in Mosul this March, it took a number of days before it admitted it had killed hundreds of civilians. Yet, guilt was immediately assigned in the Khan Sheikhun attack.

In 2013, the US media also rushed to the conclusion Assad used sarin in a horrific incident in Ghouta. The US was on the verge of attacking Assad then, but Obama decided against it. Obama claimed he held off because US intelligence voiced skepticism about Assad's guilt.

The UN investigation on the Ghouta attack took almost a month and even its conclusions have been disputed.

In December of 2013, Seymour Hersh published a lengthy investigation into the 2013 attack in Ghouta and found reason to doubt Assad's responsibility for attack. He was forced to publish it in the London Review of Books after the New York Times and the Washington Post refused to run it.

He reported that classified US reports claimed that Syria's al Qaeda affiliate had "mastered the mechanics of creating sarin".

A month after Hersh's piece appeared, a MIT study cast further doubt on the US government's story by demonstrating that the rockets used in the Ghouta attack couldn't have flown as far as the US government claimed.

Ted Postol, one of the authors of the study said, "We were within a whisker of war based on egregious errors."

In this latest alleged gas attack, a few individuals have dared question the state narrative.

The journalist Robert Parry has recently claimed there is much to be made of the fact that Mike Pompeo, the CIA Director, wasn't among those helping sell this latest sarin story to the American people. He believes it indicates doubt in the CIA over Assad's involvement.

Scott Ritter, a former UN weapons inspector in Iraq, has raised skepticism over Assad's involvement. He says rebels have had chemical weapons facilities in Syria and some of the witnesses' statements describe a strong smell during the attack, which indicates something other than sarin was used.

The Canadian government originally called for an investigation and stopped short of blaming Assad at the UN, but then later championed Trump's strikes.

Groups like Organizations for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons and Human Rights Watch are still investigating the alleged attack in Khan Sheikhun.

Whether these groups or others will be able to conduct an independent investigation is not known. But in usual fashion, the US had no interest in investigating facts, which may provide the wrong answers.

It's possible that Assad carried out the attack, but just because he's a reprehensible figure doesn't mean there is no need to present evidence and conduct an independent investigation.

What's clear now is that the US attack benefitted jihadi groups, has made further US military action more likely, and has increased the chances of a direct military confrontation with Russia. All of these results are very dangerous.

Future US military action in Syria should be resisted with popular pressure. History shows we can't count on the media or pundits to act as the voice of reason. Join the debate on Facebook

Paul Gottinger is a journalist based in Madison, WI whose work focuses on the Middle East. He can be reached via Twitter @paulgottinger or email: paul.gottinger@gmail.com

[Mar 07, 2017] The Ever-Growing List of ADMITTED False Flag Attacks

Notable quotes:
"... they manage to demonize a country or individual who tries to do good in the region or for his nation. They appear to derive a sort of sick pleasure from picking out those who advocate stability and peace to paint them as dictators and monsters with lies in the disgusting MSM. Assad, Putin and Gaddafi come to mind. The whole "Assad killing his own people with chemical weapons" rubbish that was strewn all over the papers and tv ignoring reports that these were blatant false flags, while he and his wife worked tirelessly to help those displaced by the foreign invading armies of terrorists and mercenaries - these stories that are never told in the MSM - they tell me more about the despotic and insidious nature of the neocon influences in our daily lives than about the individuals they demonize. ..."
"... Quite frankly, I have no idea how the Russians could have withstood the constant libellous claims made against them. There have been moments when they seemed at the end of their patience, like when Lavrov stated point blank that Kerry was a liar, but their actions have been remarkable in their commitment to peace and justice for the victims of terror caused by the CIA and the rest of the captive US government ..."
"... What a batshit crazy bunch of evil bastards these neocons are - I cannot even begin to imagine what motivates them. Other than Tulsi Gabbard, Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, Paul Craig Robers and a few handful of sane people, there's virtually nobody trying to stop this juggernaut of evil fomenting another world war. ..."
"... The west supposedly can't stop ISIS' two lane road oil operation heading from Syria to Turkey, ..."
"... If you shutdown Langley, the worlds Fake Terrorist attacks would probably drop by 70%. Add another 20% if you shutdown Mossad, the remaining 10% being Germany, France, England ..."
"... Trust is a pleasant opiate. Always ask, " Cui bono ?" ..."
"... Capitalistic crisis in Europe a result of them running out of serfs. Ireland was on the receiving end of mass eastern European migration 10 + years ago. This totally smashed per capita net income. Eastern Europe has seen the biggest demographic crisis since ancient times, certainly on a par with the Great plague. They have transfered almost the entire youth of eastern Europe into the core usury centers. ..."
Mar 07, 2017 | www.zerohedge.com
by YHC-FTSE , Mar 7, 2017 10:17 PM

I've noticed this pattern of behaviour from the neocon zionists - they seem particularly keen, especially when they manage to demonize a country or individual who tries to do good in the region or for his nation. They appear to derive a sort of sick pleasure from picking out those who advocate stability and peace to paint them as dictators and monsters with lies in the disgusting MSM. Assad, Putin and Gaddafi come to mind. The whole "Assad killing his own people with chemical weapons" rubbish that was strewn all over the papers and tv ignoring reports that these were blatant false flags, while he and his wife worked tirelessly to help those displaced by the foreign invading armies of terrorists and mercenaries - these stories that are never told in the MSM - they tell me more about the despotic and insidious nature of the neocon influences in our daily lives than about the individuals they demonize.

Quite frankly, I have no idea how the Russians could have withstood the constant libellous claims made against them. There have been moments when they seemed at the end of their patience, like when Lavrov stated point blank that Kerry was a liar, but their actions have been remarkable in their commitment to peace and justice for the victims of terror caused by the CIA and the rest of the captive US government doing the bidding of the neocon zionists.

We're living in the strange twilight world of the empire of chaos, openly creating and supporting the most vile terrorists, conducting illegal acts of blanket surveillance, false flags and militarizing the globe with thousands of bases encroaching on people who never did us any harm. Poking and prodding them to get a reaction which they then paint as "aggression" and evidence for more encroachment of our military power. NATO's tanks are right on the border with Russia, US troops are deep in Syria rubbing shoulders with Al Qaeda and ISIS, 400 bases surround China with THAAD missiles being stationed to scan 3000km deep into China and Russia.

What a batshit crazy bunch of evil bastards these neocons are - I cannot even begin to imagine what motivates them. Other than Tulsi Gabbard, Ron Paul, Dennis Kucinich, Paul Craig Robers and a few handful of sane people, there's virtually nobody trying to stop this juggernaut of evil fomenting another world war.

Ms No -> YHC-FTSE , Mar 7, 2017 11:02 PM

I used to give the US public slack and blame the MSM for people's ignorance and general lack of giving a shit. Now I believe that they just don't want to know. The number one reason is cowardice. You can tell they know something when you mention key words such as CIA, NSA, Snowden, etc., and you can see their fear which commonly morphs quickly into anger towards you. It's almost as if by merely mentioning this you have brought them danger.

They don't care about others enough to want to be at risk themselves. Underneath it all they are afraid that you are right and they don't want to be at risk. They can't handle even discussing the fact that they themselves might end up in a similar danger as their nation goes despotic psycho. They just want to live in their own bubble and pretend that it isn't happening. They also seem to care about their children but no one else's. Most of these people know that they are favored in some way if they tow the line. They will always be following the safety of the crowd because it's in their interest, at least in the short term, and that's all they seem to care about. Cowards also have a tendency to prefer not to look to far down the road.

Oh Crap , Mar 7, 2017 8:08 PM

Do we think this will be an effective tool for either party to admit their own fault, participation, or other involvement in what happens on the Hill?

I think not.

JailBanksters , Mar 7, 2017 8:29 PM

The spy agencies have to keep creating False Flags by blowing people up or running over them to keep you safe, otherwise the Real Terrorists would be blowing people up or running over them.

Son of Captain Nemo , Mar 7, 2017 7:55 PM

Speaking of 9/11 and it's "legacy" for the U.S. military in the Department of Treason!!!!...

Doesn't get any more blatant than this ( https://southfront.org/us-trains-iraqi-special-forces-that-could-be-used... )

Russia, Iran, Syria... kill every single one of these "stars and stripes" motherfuckers when they set foot inside your Country again...

And from the looks of it, it already seems like we're close to "SPARKS" ( https://southfront.org/russian-us-military-jointly-operate-in-outskirts-... )

Ms No -> Son of Captain Nemo , Mar 7, 2017 10:46 PM

It's pretty bad when the US funds ISIS and one member of armed services committee has admitted such. The west supposedly can't stop ISIS' two lane road oil operation heading from Syria to Turkey, but they do have black hawks flying over the caravans guarding them, which everybody saw on video. The CIA can't stop Dabique because it's too "unsophisticated". Then the west has to evacuate their terrorists because big bad Russia is kicking the shit out of them in Syria (OMG was that awesome).

Then all of these "refugees" who are of fighting age, with cellphones and in designer jeans needed to flee the war zone. They get transported from all over the ME and Africa, including multiple areas that are not involved in the conflict but are loaded with ISIS, at somebodies expense. Then they of course, get placed on Europe's Welfare roles. Once in Europe they proceed with Soros style Maidan shit.

This doesn't even get into the building 7, box cutter, "lets rolls" episode of complete obvious bullshit, or the false fag shootings done by somebody working for a government security contract who also employed a crisis acting company and got caught smuggling "non Mexicans" into Phoenix. This of course also doesn't cover the fact that the US has constantly been busted arming Mexican drug cartels and watched the country next door fall to narco-terrorists and never did a damn thing about it.

And yet people still don't get it. It's flipping amazing.

The biggest one to me is that Mexico fell. There are people out there that actually believe that we are slaughtering in the ME and pushing for WWIII in order to make the world a free place. Meanwhile right next door a country fell to terrorism and not a peep. These fuckers are putting people in barrels of acid and they control the entire state now. We are lucky they didn't do us how they did Mexico, most likely because we are armed to the teeth. That could still be coming though. How could people be this stupid? I hate stupid people. ( ;

francis scott f... -> inosent , Mar 7, 2017 7:58 PM

The recent destabilization of the Middle East was just the opening act for the destabilization of America. False Flags out the wazoo. Got popcorn?

stampman -> RagnarRedux , Mar 7, 2017 7:45 PM

I agree, and had to stop reading as soon as "George" descended into Usual Suspect Mode by quoting the false zioinist record of events. This article is such fucking bullshit. No one gives a crap about all this "ancient history".

What is important are all of the false flags committed against the world since 9-11-2001.

The rest of this article is pure unadulterated bullshit.

JailBanksters , Mar 7, 2017 7:31 PM

If you shutdown Langley, the worlds Fake Terrorist attacks would probably drop by 70%. Add another 20% if you shutdown Mossad, the remaining 10% being Germany, France, England

rwe2late , Mar 7, 2017 7:21 PM

The Phoenix Program developed during the Vietnam War, is the foundation for US terrorism throughout the world. Assassination, torture, death squads, black sites, terror bombings and psy-ops to falsely blame atrocities on the "enemy", aka "false flags".

In fact, US "counter-terrorism(sic)" operations are necessarily false flag operations which rely (for PR) on discounting US terrorism and attributing atrocities to the enemy.

https://theinternationalreporter.org/2016/02/08/the-cias-phoenix-program...

Lumberjack , Mar 7, 2017 7:19 PM

I am positive they have more bullshit ready to go with the MSM...

Son of Captain Nemo , Mar 7, 2017 7:23 PM

Hey G.W.

That painting of the gal at the chalk board looks like Barrack Obama's mother... Was that deliberate?...

Might as well provide some of your knowledge on the "Dunham side" ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFcZy-YJOM8 ) of Obama's aka Barry Soetoro's family's CIA past and his involvement in East Asia during his formative training before being selected on behalf of the American "sheep" for U.S. Senate and shortly thereafter President of the United States with NO credentials for either station.

stampman -> Son of Captain Nemo , Mar 7, 2017 8:04 PM

http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news2...

DbePrepared , Mar 7, 2017 7:12 PM

War is a racket! Major General Smedley Butler

roadhazard , Mar 7, 2017 5:33 PM

But what about Obama wire tapping Trump. Where's the beef. Fake News.

quesnay -> roadhazard , Mar 7, 2017 6:06 PM

What about the "Trump and all his staff are actually Russian spies" narrative?

AlbertthePudding , Mar 7, 2017 4:50 PM

Well..this is comprehensive..it seems the only real wars governments wage are against their own people to protect their power. The rest is Hollywood. I notice that Saudi false flags are missing from the list. Will the communication arm of the intelligence agencies ie the MSM publish any of this or even the latest Wikileaks Vault 7? This will be their swan song I bet.

FIAT CON , Mar 7, 2017 3:23 PM

I will say it again...What have we learned from our peers...Gov's....it's ok to lie, cheat, steal, and mass murder if it forwards your agenda. This will not end well... we need to spy on all gov's to keep them honest! An NSA for the people!

underthevolcano -> FIAT CON , Mar 7, 2017 5:40 PM

I'm pretty sure that is well under way. But what we really need to do is find a test to detect psychopaths, and eliminate them.

Conax , Mar 7, 2017 3:02 PM

The air and sea attack on the USS Liberty was an attempted false flag, but her brave and determined officers and men kept her afloat and most lived to tell the tale.

George Washington -> Conax , Mar 7, 2017 3:08 PM

Yes, sir. I just haven't found anyone to plain 'ole admit it.

Volaille de Bresse , Mar 7, 2017 2:43 PM

1956 : the British/french/Israeli "Suez" operation against Egyptian president Nasser. During one of the 1st meetings an Israeli official offered a plan : Tsahal would bomb an Israeli village and then blame Egyptian forces for it.

Sounds familiar? 9/11?

George Washington -> Volaille de Bresse , Mar 7, 2017 3:14 PM

Any admission? If so, I'll add it to the list.

barysenter , Mar 7, 2017 2:09 PM

Name one school or church where true history is taught. LaRouche, Birch Society and several famous and notorius individuals have been spectacularly reviled and sometimes murdered for speaking unvarnished truth, or doing Right.

Monsanto is IG Farben. Follow that thread.

underthevolcano -> barysenter , Mar 7, 2017 5:42 PM

Nazi's. All of them. They infiltrated the US government in the 1930's, and never left.

Hillarys Server , Mar 7, 2017 2:04 PM

And this is our shining house on a hill?

Smiddywesson , Mar 7, 2017 1:28 PM

" They were supposed to force these people, the Italian public, to turn to the state to ask for greater security" so that "a state of emergency could be declared, so people would willingly trade part of their freedom for the security"

The Second Amendment not only protects you from direct government aggression, it removes the need for you to give them your freedom in exchange for the promise they will protect you. Protecting yourself is a basic right.

THE DORK OF CORK , Mar 7, 2017 1:17 PM

Italy has again recorded it's lowest birth number on record. This is because it's youth now reside in the great money centers ( see London) in search of company tokens.

This depopulation is a repeat of the national phase of usury (Westphallia) where regions of France such as the Ariege was depopulated and concentrated in urban centers.

However the scale of population movements is of a different order.

Reaper , Mar 7, 2017 1:13 PM

Trust is a pleasant opiate. Always ask, " Cui bono ?"

THE DORK OF CORK , Mar 7, 2017 1:06 PM

Capitalistic crisis in Europe a result of them running out of serfs. Ireland was on the receiving end of mass eastern European migration 10 + years ago. This totally smashed per capita net income. Eastern Europe has seen the biggest demographic crisis since ancient times, certainly on a par with the Great plague. They have transfered almost the entire youth of eastern Europe into the core usury centers.

However births imploded after the fall of the wall. Post1990 kids do not exist in sufficient numbers.

[Jan 14, 2017] Position Statement in support of a new investigation into the total collapse of World Trade Center Building 7 on September 11, 2001

Sponsors: Daniel Barnum, FAIA and Fifty Members of the Institute

Intent: To adopt a Position Statement in support of a new investigation into the total collapse of World Trade Center Building 7 on September 11, 2001.

Text of Resolution

WHEREAS, according to the AIA Public Policies and Position Statements, architects are professionally obligated to use their knowledge, skill, and experience to engage in civic life; and

WHEREAS, World Trade Center Building 7 (WTC 7), a 47-story, steel-framed high-rise building, suffered a total collapse at 5:20 PM on the afternoon of September 11, 2001; and

WHEREAS, the cause of the collapse of WTC 7 has become the subject of vigorous public debate, such that establishing the true cause of the collapse
of WTC 7 is of great civic importance; and|

WHEREAS, the cause of the collapse of WTC 7 has become the subject of vigorous public debate, such that establishing the true cause of the collapse of WTC 7 is of great civic importance; and

WHEREAS, prior to and since September 11, 2001, no steel-framed high-rise building has ever suffered a total collapse, except buildings demolished through the procedure known as controlled demolition; and

WHEREAS, the collapse of WTC 7 exemplified many of the signature features of controlled demolition, including:

WHEREAS, first responders and bystanders reported explosions and other phenomena suggestive of controlled demolition immediately prior to and during the collapse of WTC 7, as exemplified in the following account by a first-year NYU medical student identified as "Darryl" on 1010 Wins Radio: "[W]e heard this sound that sounded like a clap of thunder. Turned around. We were shocked to see that the building was, uh Well, it looked like there was a shockwave ripping through the building and the windows all busted out. It was horrifying. And then about a second later the bottom floor caved out and the building followed after that"; and

WHEREAS, a CNN video captured both the sound of an explosion coming from WTC 7 and the following statements prior to the onset of the collapse:

Unidentified voice: "You hear that?"

Voice of emergency worker #1: "Keep your eye on that building. It'll be coming down soon."

Voice of emergency worker #2: "Building is about to blow up, move it back . We are walking back, there's a building about to blow up. Flame and debris coming down"; and

WHEREAS, numerous experts in controlled demolition and structural engineering have attested that the collapse of WTC 7 could have only been caused by controlled demolition, as exemplified in the following statement made by Dutch demolition expert Danny Jowenko after viewing video of the collapse: "This is controlled demolition . It's been imploded. It's a hired job, done by a team of experts"; and

WHEREAS, in spite of the fact that WTC 7 had only few, small, and scattered fires and modest structural damage, the NYC Office of Emergency Management and the New York Fire Department predicted the collapse of WTC 7 with extraordinary confidence and precision, deciding to establish a safety zone around WTC 7 early in the afternoon and waiting several hours in anticipation of the building's collapse; and

WHEREAS, local authorities were so certain of WTC 7's eventual collapse that anticipation of the collapse was widely reported in the media, as exemplified by MSNBC's Ashleigh Banfield, who reported, "I've heard several reports from several different officers now that that is the building that is gonna go down next. In fact, one officer told me they're just waiting for that to come down at this point" - and by the BBC, who erroneously began reporting the collapse 23 minutes before it actually occurred; and

WHEREAS, in spite of the fact that local authorities predicted the collapse of WTC 7 with extraordinary confidence and precision, investigators for the Building Performance Study, conducted by the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) and the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE), were "stunned" by the collapse of WTC 7 and concluded in May 2002: "The specifics of the fires in WTC 7 and how they caused the building to collapse remain unknown at this time. Although the total diesel fuel on the premises contained massive potential energy, the best hypothesis has only a low probability of occurrence"; and

WHEREAS, three and a half years after the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) began its investigation into the World Trade Center disaster, NIST's lead investigator, Dr. Shyam Sunder, stated that NIST had some "preliminary hypotheses," but conceded, "[T]ruthfully, I don't really know. We've had trouble getting a handle on building No. 7"; and

WHEREAS, NIST finally concluded in its 2008 report that the collapse of WTC 7 was caused by "normal office fires," thus abandoning earlier hypotheses that diesel fuel fires or structural damage caused the collapse; and

WHEREAS, according to NIST, the fires that it alleges triggered the total collapse of WTC 7 burned at temperatures "hundreds of degrees below those typically considered in design practice for establishing structural fire resistance ratings"; and

WHEREAS, NIST neglected to examine steel from WTC 7 with a "Swiss cheese appearance" that had been attacked by molten iron - as documented in Appendix C of the FEMA/ASCE Building Performance Study - and instead falsely alleged that no identifiable steel was recovered from WTC 7; and

WHEREAS, in its draft report for public comment, NIST falsely denied that WTC 7 entered free fall, and then acknowledged the occurrence of free fall in its final report, but falsely alleged that the occurrence of free fall was consistent with its computer model, which, in fact, does not show a period of free fall, nor does it come close to replicating the observed collapse; and

WHEREAS, NIST's computer model omitted critical structural features of WTC 7, which, in the opinion of independent engineers, had they been included, the computer model would have shown that NIST's alleged collapse initiation mechanism had zero probability of occurring; and

WHEREAS, NIST has refused to release key portions of its modeling data to engineers studying the collapse of WTC 7, claiming that to do so "might jeopardize public safety"; and

WHEREAS, thousands of members of the architecture and engineering professions, including the 97 sponsors of this resolution, believe there is sufficient evidence contradicting NIST's explanation of the collapse of WTC 7 to warrant a new investigation.

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that the AIA Board of Directors shall commence the process to adopt a Position Statement, to be published in the AIA Directory of Public Policies and Position Statements, stating both:

 The AIA's belief that incidents involving the catastrophic failure of buildings and other structures must be investigated using the highest standards of science-based investigation and analysis; and

 The AIA's support for a new investigation into the total collapse of WTC 7.

[Sep 24, 2016] 9-11 Firefighter Blows WTC 7 Cover-Up Wide Open

Impressive interview
Notable quotes:
"... That guy knows what he's talking about. It's about time someone came forward with what may be true according to what he saw and knows. ..."
YouTube

Infowars reporter Lee Ann McAdoo talks to Rudy Dent, 32 year veteran of NYC fire department and the NYPD, about his incredible first hand experience of the lies surrounding WTC 7.

Jeanne O'Mara 13 hours ago

This retired fireman feels that it was a a controlled demolition. He has never heard of a high rise being brought down by a fire. There were other bldgs that were hit by debris from the burning towers. He was also suspicious that all the evidence from WTC 7 was taken away and sent to china.

The crime scene should have protected but wasn't. He believe as many now do that t was a "false Flag" operation to get people all riled up so they could get into react. He saw molten LAVA like pockets of steel which is like what you see when a volcano explodes. It's called pyroclastic flow. Thermite, a very special explosive was found and it can only be made a very specialized labs like Los Alamos.

The bush family has a very creepy history. Prescott Bush had holdings in a bank that funded the Nazis (Union Bank). It was seized by the CONGRESS. The Harrimans were also involved w this bank.

It's also clear that Bush Sr had a role in JFK's assassination. JFK had asked A. Harriman to negotiate w Vietnam and Harriman cross out that part. This was treason.

lora savage 1 week ago

That guy knows what he's talking about. It's about time someone came forward with what may be true according to what he saw and knows.

[Sep 14, 2016] the motives of which are transparently political and actually create disinformation around veritable realities

Notable quotes:
"... It's unclear how a jetliner is [more] powerful than an earthquake, and how, if such requirements failed to save the WTC towers, preparing for even more powerful earthquakes is going to prevent a recurrence of the same. ..."
"... The heavy, black smoke emanating from the structures belies your premise. ..."
Sep 12, 2016 | www.nakedcapitalism.com

JSM September 12, 2016 at 5:10 pm

No offense is meant but fewer articles from Ms. Scofield, please, with transparent, dubious, questionable, or propagandistic angles. The article 'How building design changed after 9/11' has been written annually for fifteen years.

"In fact, for years building codes from the American Society of Civil Engineers, the American Institute of Steel Construction and the American Concrete Institute have required structural supports to be designed with high enough ductility to withstand a major earthquake so rare its probability of happening is once every 2,000 years. "

It's unclear how a jetliner is [more] powerful than an earthquake, and how, if such requirements failed to save the WTC towers, preparing for even more powerful earthquakes is going to prevent a recurrence of the same.

This would also go for any articles entitled 'How the US Can Win the War in Syria' in which no objectives are articulated, non-evidential articles entitled 'U.S. Could Pay a High Price for Suing the Saudis,' any more New Yorker articles, the motives of which are transparently political and actually create disinformation around veritable realities, about 'Trump and the Truth', e.g. 'The Unemployment Rate Hoax,' etc. I'm sure posting links is largely a thankless job, but if I wanted to I could turn on CNN and 'learn' these very things.

Jess , September 12, 2016 at 6:31 pm

"In fact, for years building codes from the American Society of Civil Engineers, the American Institute of Steel Construction and the American Concrete Institute have required structural supports to be designed with high enough ductility to withstand a major earthquake so rare its probability of happening is once every 2,000 years."

Hate to break it to you, but earthquake forces - seismic events - are considerably different than thermal events. Granted, fire often erupt as a result of severed gas and electric lines caused by an earthquake, but an earthquake is a brief, violent, hard shaking or rolling. A high-rise fire of sustained intensity sits in one place and does its work within a confined setting. In the case of the multiple floors damaged by the impact of the planes in 9-11, that confined setting bore a striking resemblance to a combination blast furnace and chimney. (People tend to forget that skyscrapers tend to create their own wind patterns, in this case well over 500 feet high. Just like air being pumped into a fire by a bellows.

human -> Jess , September 12, 2016 at 8:47 pm

The heavy, black smoke emanating from the structures belies your premise.

MyLessThanPrimeBeef , September 12, 2016 at 10:17 pm

The second order partial differentiation equation* governing structure responding during a dynamic event like an earthquakes shows that the force on the structure is related to its mass.

The heavier a structure, the bigger force it is subjected to, going through the same quake.

The force of an impacting plane is same regardless of the building size, all else being equal.

*(mass x acceleration) + (damping coefficient x velocity) + (stiffness modulus x displacement) = zero.

[Sep 11, 2016] The Mysterious Collapse of WTC Building 7

Is this a plan of the elite to introduce national security state in action. Are they afraid of the collapse of neoliberal social order and try to take precautions?
Notable quotes:
"... These factors would have resulted in the structural framing furthest from the flames remaining intact and possessing its full structural integrity, i.e., strength and stiffness. ..."
"... the superstructure above would begin to lean in the direction of the burning side. ..."
"... Nevertheless, the ultimate failure mode would have been a toppling of the upper floors to one side-much like the topping of a tall redwood tree-not a concentric, vertical collapse. ..."
"... A reporter with rare access to the debris at ground zero "descended deep below street level to areas where underground fires still burned and steel flowed in molten streams." ..."
"... Please remember that firefighters sprayed millions of gallons of water on the fires, and also applied high-tech fire retardants. Specifically, 4 million gallons of water were dropped on Ground Zero within the first 10 days after September 11, according to the U.S. Department of Energy's Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratories : ..."
"... Why would the Insiders bother blowing Building 7? Indeed, why would the Insiders bother with WTC at all? Exactly what were the motivations of the Insiders supposed to be? ..."
"... Larry Silverstein had a magic ball that told him to insure the buildings for "terrorist attacks". In February of 2002, Silverstein was awarded $861,000,000 for his insurance claims from Industrial Risk Insurers. His initial investment in WTC 7 was only $386,000,000. ..."
"... Perhaps after the first couple of attempted attacks on the WTC in the 90's they had a good look at what would happen if an attack was successful. Perhaps they then decided that the massive collateral damage from a partial or messy collapse could be greatly reduced by having the buildings ready to be brought down in a controlled way. ..."
"... All this would have to be kept secret as noone would work in a building lined with explosives. However the insurance companies, and the owner of the building would know, and this would explain the comments made by silverstein (comments that he himself never clarified). ..."
"... This may all be completely wrong, but lets face it, explosives did bring these buildings down. ..."
"... http://topdocumentaryfilms.com ...How about a 5 hour video that methodically refutes and explains the flaws of virtually every aspect of the 'official story', in particular the shamefully flawed NIST report ..."
"... There were no pyroclastic flows at WTC. That's obvious by the fact that pieces of intact paper lay everywhere, something that would be impossible if a hot cloud covered the area. ..."
"... The reason that you have to resort to esoteric explanations for what happened at WTC is that you believe lies about what happened at WTC. ..."
"... If you really believe that this was done by hydrocarbon based fires begun by burning jet fuel you are beyond hopeless. ..."
"... Why do you trust the government so much? That to me is idiotic. History has proven pretty much every government to be corrupt. It's sheep like you that allow them to get away with it. Just keep walking sheep, don't want to fall back from the mob. ..."
"... The "accepted scholarship" is conducted almost entirely by government shills for the benefit of dumbed down Americans whose information intake is limited to Fox, CNN, and MSNBC. ..."
Sep 15, 2012 | WashingtonsBlog

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What Do the Experts Say?

What does the evidence show about the Solomon Brothers Building in Manhattan?

Numerous structural engineers – the people who know the most about office building vulnerabilities and accidents – say that the official explanation of why building 7 at the World Trade Center collapsed on 9/11 is "impossible", "defies common logic" and "violates the law of physics":

The collapse of WTC7 looks like it may have been the result of a controlled demolition. This should have been looked into as part of the original investigation

Photos of the steel, evidence about how the buildings collapsed, the unexplainable collapse of WTC 7, evidence of thermite in the debris as well as several other red flags, are quite troubling indications of well planned and controlled demolition

In my view, the chances of the three buildings collapsing symmetrically into their own footprint, at freefall speed, by any other means than by controlled demolition, are so remote that there is no other plausible explanation

Near-freefall collapse violates laws of physics. Fire induced collapse is not consistent with observed collapse mode . . . .

How did the structures collapse in near symmetrical fashion when the apparent precipitating causes were asymmetrical loading? The collapses defies common logic from an elementary structural engineering perspective.

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Heat transmission (diffusion) through the steel members would have been irregular owing to differing sizes of the individual members; and, the temperature in the members would have dropped off precipitously the further away the steel was from the flames-just as the handle on a frying pan doesn't get hot at the same rate as the pan on the burner of the stove. These factors would have resulted in the structural framing furthest from the flames remaining intact and possessing its full structural integrity, i.e., strength and stiffness.

Structural steel is highly ductile, when subjected to compression and bending it buckles and bends long before reaching its tensile or shear capacity. Under the given assumptions, "if" the structure in the vicinity started to weaken, the superstructure above would begin to lean in the direction of the burning side. The opposite, intact, side of the building would resist toppling until the ultimate capacity of the structure was reached, at which point, a weak-link failure would undoubtedly occur. Nevertheless, the ultimate failure mode would have been a toppling of the upper floors to one side-much like the topping of a tall redwood tree-not a concentric, vertical collapse.

For this reason alone, I rejected the official explanation for the collapse .

We design and analyze buildings for the overturning stability to resist the lateral loads with the combination of the gravity loads. Any tall structure failure mode would be a fall over to its side. It is impossible that heavy steel columns could collapse at the fraction of the second within each story and subsequently at each floor below.We do not know the phenomenon of the high rise building to disintegrate internally faster than the free fall of the debris coming down from the top.

The engineering science and the law of physics simply doesn't know such possibility. Only very sophisticated controlled demolition can achieve such result, eliminating the natural dampening effect of the structural framing huge mass that should normally stop the partial collapse. The pancake theory is a fallacy, telling us that more and more energy would be generated to accelerate the collapse. Where would such energy would be coming from?

Fire and impact were insignificant in all three buildings [Again, please ignore any reference to the Twin Towers this essay focuses solely on WTC7]. Impossible for the three to collapse at free-fall speed. Laws of physics were not suspended on 9/11, unless proven otherwise

The symmetrical "collapse" due to asymmetrical damage is at odds with the principles of structural mechanics

It is virtually impossible for WTC building 7 to collapse as it did with the influence of sporadic fires. This collapse HAD to be planned

It is very suspicious that fire brought down Building 7 yet the Madrid hotel fire was still standing after 24 hours of fire. This is very suspicious to me because I design buildings for a living

The above is just a sample. Many other structural engineers have questioned the collapse of Building 7, as have numerous top experts in other relevant disciplines, including:

The collapse was too symmetrical to have been eccentrically generated. The destruction was symmetrically initiated to cause the buildings to implode as they did

Watch this short video on Building 7 by Architects and Engineers (ignore any reference to the Twin Towers, deaths on 9/11, or any other topics other than WTC7):

Fish In a Barrel

Poking holes in the government's spin on Building 7 is so easy that it is like shooting fish in a barrel.

As just one example, the spokesman for the government agency which says that the building collapsed due to fire said there was no molten metal at ground zero:


The facts are a wee bit different: