Allan Dulles

There is deep analogy between financial services and intelligence services. Both try to escape from the control of democratic society.

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• [Mar 27, 2017] As soon as any intelligence agency becomes a political player this means effective end of any, even traditional the USA form of façade-based , two party oligarchical rule called democracy ( Mar 27, 2017 | economistsview.typepad.com )
• [Mar 10, 2017] CIAs Creator Came to Regret It ... Said the CIA Was a Government All Its Own Which Was Destroying Democracy ( Mar 10, 2017 | www.zerohedge.com )
• [Feb 25, 2017] Stephen Kinzer: The Brothers - Rise of Exceptionalism and Aspirations of Empire ( jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.com )

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[Mar 27, 2017] As soon as any intelligence agency becomes a political player this means effective end of any, even traditional the USA form of façade-based , two party oligarchical rule called democracy

Notable quotes:

"... Actually "after 9/11" national security state is already a huge step forward in this direction, so we are almost arrived at the point when the USA democratic "façade" became Potemkin village for tourists. ..."

"... That's essentially the difference between "surface state" and the "deep state" that is now actively discussed in the USA due to attempt of color revolution against Trump with intelligence agencies and FBI coming out as political players. ..."

"... And as soon as any intelligence agency becomes a political player this means effective end of any, even traditional the USA form of "façade-based", two party oligarchical rule called "democracy." ..."

Mar 27, 2017 | economistsview.typepad.com

libezkova -> im1dc... March 26, 2017 at 07:58 PM

"That's European History not ours"

Hardly so.

Legitimacy of the US "democratic" governance can survive only as long as:

1. 1. People of America had an expectation that if they work hard they can gain a better life. This is not true now for the majority (say, lower 80%) of population.
2. 2. Or at least that their children could gain that better life, if they get some college degree and work hard. This is also not true now for majority of graduates. Only those, who graduates at the top of the class, or from Ivy League universities can expect to get decent positions. Most graduation are happy to land at helpdesk, doing job that does not require any college education, because it is better then being a waiter.

IMHO, if neither (1) not (2) are applicable the legitimacy of the democratic government evaporates.

And that creates favorable condition for the transition to the dictatorship in some form.

Actually "after 9/11" national security state is already a huge step forward in this direction, so we are almost arrived at the point when the USA democratic "façade" became Potemkin village for tourists.

That's essentially the difference between "surface state" and the "deep state" that is now actively discussed in the USA due to attempt of color revolution against Trump with intelligence agencies and FBI coming out as political players.

And as soon as any intelligence agency becomes a political player this means effective end of any, even traditional the USA form of "façade-based", two party oligarchical rule called "democracy."

That's a dictatorship: a form of government where a country is ruled by one person or by one or several non-elected political agencies (like the Communist Party, or STASI). And were the power is exercised through mechanisms that are completely outside the control of electorate.

If somebody here tells that Comey, or in the past Clapper and Michael Morell, were not a political players in this presidential cycle, the danger is that half of Mexico and Canada readers of this blog can die laughing.

[Mar 10, 2017] CIA's Creator Came to Regret It ... Said the CIA Was a Government All Its Own Which Was Destroying Democracy

Mar 10, 2017 | www.zerohedge.com

CIA's Creator Came to Regret It ... Said the CIA Was a "Government All Its Own" Which Was Destroying Democracy

Whodathunkit , Mar 9, 2017 7:58 PM

Read something by Douglas Valentine. Or listen to him on YouTube. Guy laid it all out in book form in 1990, The Phoenix Program. Guy is a great historian on many subjects but they all lead back to the CeyeA.

blindman , Mar 9, 2017 7:50 PM

Steve Pieczenik: Vault 7 Is Aimed To Take Down CIA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPaV5tEwZ0g

Consuelo , Mar 9, 2017 5:38 PM

Dreamscape, 1984 (wow, what a coincidence...)

Blair (intelligence/defence agency director) to the President (Eddie Albert):

"You can't touch me John, and you know it..."

DuneCreature , Mar 9, 2017 5:14 PM

This is getting kind of funny! ... I love it.

George Webb is slicing and dicing all of the CIA dirty tricks the agency has going on US soil. Dyncorpse, JTTF, hacking and cracking, brownstone operations, etc. etc. etc. ...... And now, Gulan is getting undressed in public. (I was warned to stay out of that one myself because it would really piss off the CIA.) ..... Next up? .. Chemtrails, I hope. That one has us all in the cross hairs and needs to be addressed. (Listening, Mr President? ... The chems are killing your grandkids too)

Day 137 Part 1 = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AQelhNiEKE Day 137 Part 2 = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-hUclNzcJs

My working theory about George Webb is; He has a big time tap into CeyeA resources and probably CeyeA protection too.

George is the Energizer Terminator Bunny and his target is the CIA.

Go George! Go!

Drip, drip, drip, drip, drip. ... Show the CIA what water torture is really all about, George! ... Day 133, Day 134, Day 135, Day 136.... Hahaha!

Live Hard, You Were Warned, You Don't Shit In Your Own Nest, Mr. Langley(s), Die Free

~ DC v5.0

GRDguy , Mar 9, 2017 3:56 PM

Truman signing off on the creation of the Israeli state was also a huge mistake.

Too bad his best friend was Jewish. He would have never signed it otherwise.

In fact, quoting from Truman's biography (McCullough):

"If Jesus Christ couldn't make these people happy when He was here on earth,

what the hell do they expect from me?" But he signed it anyway.

cheech_wizard -> GRDguy , Mar 9, 2017 6:09 PM

or this from a 1947 diary...

Truman wrote in a July 21 passage, "The Jews, I find are very, very selfish. They care not how many Estonians, Latvians, Finns, Poles, Yugoslavs or Greeks get murdered or mistreated as D[isplaced] P[ersons] as long as the Jews get special treatment. Yet when they have power, physical, financial or political neither Hitler nor Stalin has anything on them for cruelty or mistreatment to the under dog."

Standard Disclaimer: Tell me that last line is not the most honest truth you've read today.

GRDguy -> cheech_wizard , Mar 9, 2017 8:45 PM

James Warburg, son of Federal Reserve founder Paul Warbug, gained some notice in a February 17, 1950, appearance before the U.S. Senate Committee on Foreign Relations in which he said,

"We shall have world government, whether or not we like it.

The question is only whether world government will be achieved by consent or by conquest."

As much as I respect Truman (I was born and raised in Independence, Missouri),

I think now that he was THEIR patsy. I suspect he never saw it coming.

south40_dreams , Mar 9, 2017 3:42 PM

"17 U.S. intelligence agencies determined that Russia was responsible for damaging WikiLeaks disclosures of DNC and Clinton...."

CIA is just one?

We're screwed

DuneCreature , Mar 9, 2017 3:37 PM

It wouldn't be quite so bad if the CIA didn't have a strangle hold on the media too. ... You can't even get any information about the sumy-bitches in print or on the tube.

~~ ( The CIA News Agency Isn't Going To Cover This News Story )~~

I guess we'll have to tune into Russia Today to find out what's going on in Wash DC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ER6rjPFK1Ls

Pretty soon they will have to encrypt the news feeds, I can just feel it in my spooks.

If the CIA wants us to leave them alone they better get out of news crushing business. .......... In your face lies 24/7 doesn't help their PR any at all.

Live Hard, News With A Spin Doesn't Mean It Has To Be Red-Lined All Of The Time, Just A Leisurely Slow Twist Will Do It, Die Free

~ DC v5.0

mtanimal , Mar 9, 2017 2:31 PM

And yet - what did they do after 9/11? The formed an even larger and more convoluted organization, DHS, because they supposedly "needed at that time a central organization that would bring all the various intelligence reports we were getting in those days, and there must have been a dozen of them, maybe more, bring them all into one organization so that the President would get one report on what was going on in various parts of the world" . Instead of a dozen, now there are what ... 17?

The bullshit of history repeats itself.

mtanimal , Mar 9, 2017 2:28 PM

Truman was a complete tool if he couldn't have seen that coming. Kind of like Greenspan trying to claim he didn't know his actions would cause financial bubbles. Bullshit.

Stef1304 , Mar 9, 2017 1:35 PM

This issue of CIA level of illegal needs definitively to be feed and exposed to the audience, until its dealt with. Same for this BIT FAT conglomerate of 17 Intelligence communities. That many is definitively NOT needed. Not only does it hurt the budget (paid with american people taxes), it also hurt the spirit of the republic itself. Since the killing of JFK and 9/11 (without even mentionning the number of people dying in the middle east and elsewhere), this level of organized criminality is a disgrace and a ongoing shame for the country.

steelhead23 -> CAPT DRAKE , Mar 9, 2017 2:57 PM

The spider-web of influence in the U.S. Congress may include the Deep State - but, that connection is facilitated by the Deep State's coziness with the intelligence services of other nation states, notably, Israel's Mossad, which supports AIPAC, which funds many members of Congress and scares the shit out of the rest.

rf80412 -> CAPT DRAKE , Mar 9, 2017 2:52 PM

Congress has simply abdicated most of its responsibilities to the executive branch. They seem to think their only job is pork and pandering, then retiring to become a lobbyist or a sinecure at some corporation they did favors for ... rather than being the sole source of all legislation and - the way the Founding Fathers expected - jealous of their prerogatives and fearful of executive power.

A healthy Congress would act like the executive branch works for them - as in a parliamentary system.

steelhead23 , Mar 9, 2017 1:15 PM

More recently, ex-president Carter told us that the U.S. is "no longer a democracy", in large measure due to the Citizens United case . The combination of a CIA-dominated deep state and an elitist election process has seriously injured democracy in the U.S.

Big Hugh -> steelhead23 , Mar 9, 2017 1:44 PM

The U.S. never was a democracy, but Jimmuh Carter was always a moron.

cheech_wizard -> Big Hugh , Mar 9, 2017 5:57 PM

No downvotes from me, but in his defense, he did qualify on subs.

https://www.jimmycarterlibrary.gov/documents/jec/jcnavy.phtml

Standard Disclaimer: Got dolphins?

steelhead23 -> Big Hugh , Mar 9, 2017 2:51 PM

He was educated in the public school of Plains, attended Georgia Southwestern College and the Georgia Institute of Technology, and received a B.S. degree from the United States Naval Academy in 1946. In the Navy he became a submariner, serving in both the Atlantic and Pacific fleets and rising to the rank of lieutenant. Chosen by Admiral Hyman Rickover for the nuclear submarine program, he was assigned to Schenectady, New York, where he took graduate work at Union College in reactor technology and nuclear physics, and served as senior officer of the pre-commissioning crew of the Seawolf , the second nuclear submarine.

That's a high level of scholarship for a moron.

runnymede -> steelhead23 , Mar 9, 2017 5:16 PM

Huge difference btw education and training; credentials and competence; government and the State; cleverness and intelligence.

Read chapter 8

Memoirs of a Superfluous Man

By Albert Nock

Then return and report.

If you're disinclined to read a book like 90% of the world, youtube the "Malaise speech" and see what an awesome leader Billy Carter's brother was.

Carter: "nookuler"

I was embarrassed for him and I was only a young teen at the time.

goober -> steelhead23 , Mar 9, 2017 3:58 PM

Depends entirely on what you think scholarship is and intelligence ? If you think you get them from what we call our higher ed system, you are completely mind fucked just as they are ? Do you see much if any real scholarship taking place anywhere these days or the complete denial of any form of free speech and Orwellian extremes at what we call our higher ed institutions ? Time to rethinhk a bunch of stuff my man ! Most higher ed today is more about sucking the brains out of peoples heads, indoctrination and propaganda, not scholarship or any form of truth. And it is nothing new at all for sure. Really got rolling during Carter's era and been rolling stronger ever since. You are well behind the curve, not up to speed as you seem to think and I do not say this as a negative, just information for you to ponder and rethink. Good luck with it.

Here is a starting point http://www.downtoearththinking.com/cogdis-and-normalcy-bias.html

Big Hugh -> steelhead23 , Mar 9, 2017 3:12 PM

You're right. Highly educated, yet without the common sense to defend himself against swamp rabbits. Jimmy Carter's Afghanistan policy as President is what brought the Taliban to power.

He spent 40 Billion in 1979 dollars to train and equip the Mujahideen, in some misguided attempt to thwart the damn Russki's.

The Carter Administration also tried to seat the Khmer Rouge as the rightful government of Cambodia even though they slaughtered one out of three Cambodians in the 1975-78 genocide.

That's a pretty high level of moronity for an educated man.

Insurrector -> Big Hugh , Mar 9, 2017 4:21 PM

Yes Carter inherited a mess - Pakistani nuclear weapons and the oil crisis too. A lot fo bad shit happening back then. It seemed early on tha the was a one term president. Serving only one term is probably why he is still alive today and wasn't stressed to death by a second term.

Unfortunately Reagan doubled down on it and he funded Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda. He went all in with a weak hand.

The Mujahideen have been around for centuries though, but the CIA brought them into the 20th century.

DonaldWashington , Mar 9, 2017 1:03 PM

Vilfredo Pareto , Mar 9, 2017 12:22 PM

Now as nearly as I can make out, those fellows in the CIA don't just report on wars and the like, they go out and make their own, and there's nobody to keep track of what they're up to. They spend billions of dollars on stirring up trouble so they'll have something to report on. They've become ... it's become a government all of its own and all secret. They don't have to account to anybody.

Harry S Truman

KingTut -> East Indian , Mar 9, 2017 2:03 PM

The CIA doesn't waste it's time with Pot, Heroin & Cocaine are much more profitable.

Manthong -> DrData02 , Mar 9, 2017 1:04 PM

It really all started with Alan Dulles. When JFK fired him, he never went away and that is why JFK was assassinated.

The Deep Spook State is persistent and vicious. Just ask GHW Bush, who worked for Dulles and was in Dallas when Kennedy was shot.

I hope that Trump and Bannon see that something similar appears to be forming today.

Substitute the name Obama for Dulles.

[Feb 25, 2017] Stephen Kinzer: The Brothers - Rise of Exceptionalism and Aspirations of Empire

Video: watch-v=Mxw0B8wgoQU. the book The Brothers John Foster Dulles, Allen Dulles, and Their Secret World War Stephen Kinzer 9780805094978 Amazon.com Books

Notable quotes:

"... "Exceptionalism"- the view that the United States has a right to impose its will because it knows more, sees farther, and lives on a higher moral plane than other nations-was to them not a platitude, but the organizing principle of daily life and global politics... ..."

jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.com

"Exceptionalism"- the view that the United States has a right to impose its will because it knows more, sees farther, and lives on a higher moral plane than other nations-was to them not a platitude, but the organizing principle of daily life and global politics...

With a glance, a nod, and a few words, without consulting anyone other than the President, the brothers could mobilize the full power of the United States anywhere in the world."

Stephen Kinzer, The Brothers: John Foster Dulles, Allen Dulles, and Their Secret World War

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