Anti-Russian hysteria in connection emailgate and DNC leak
Who are those "experts" who tell us those were Russians? Are those the same "experts" who
found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? Or claim that Hillary bathroom email server was not breached?
“The same people on the Clinton team who made enormous efforts to claim her private
email server—which operated unencrypted over the Internet for three months, including during trips to
China and Russia, and which contained top-secret national-security data—was not hacked by the Russians
now are certain that the DNC server was hacked by the Russians”
Seems Putin controls Trump and Clinton! The man is amazing.
Only Jedi Knights can stop him.
“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that
Donald J. Trump said, referring to messages deemed personal by Hillary Clinton
and deleted from her private email server.
Clinton campaign is trying to hide their very serious domestic allegation tried to play "Russians
are coming" trick... In reality the real issue with DNS leaks in the fact that Sanders campaign was sabotaged by crooks in DNC.
All those presstitutes who wipe up anti-Russian hysteria should ask themselves a simple question.
Do they have any moral right to ask question about the legitimacy of foreign interference if
this interference is the cornerstone of the US foreign policy. As in "color revolutions" and similar
subversive actions against "not neoliberal enough" government of countries with natural resources or
of some geopolitical value. Also it is not clear why Russia would prefer Trump to Hillary.
Here is one post that addresses this issues (Economist's
View What’s Behind a Rise in Ethnic Nationalism Maybe the Economy, Oct 14, 2016):
Paradoxically Pravda in old times did have real insights into
the US political system and for this reason was widely read
by specialists. Especially materials published by the
Institute of the USA and Canada -- a powerful Russian think
tank somewhat similar to the Council on Foreign Relations.
As for your remark I think for many people in the USA
Russophobia is just displaced Anti-Semitism.
JohnH remark is actually very apt and you should not
"misunderestimate" the level of understanding of the US
political system by Russians. They did learn a lot about
machinations of the neoliberal foreign policy, especially
about so called "color revolutions." Hillary&Obama has had a
bloody nose when they tried to stage a "color revolution" in
2011-2012 in Russia (so called "white revolution). A typical
US citizen probably never heard about it or heard only about
"Pussy riot", Navalny and couple of other minor figures. At
the end poor ambassador Michael McFaul was recalled. NED was
expelled. Of course Russia is just a pale shadow of the USSR
power-wise, so Obama later put her on sanctions using MH17
incident as a pretext with no chances of retaliation. They
also successfully implemented regime change in Ukraine --
blooding Putin nose in return.
But I actually disagree with JohnH. First of all Putin
does not need to interfere in a way like the USA did in
It would be a waist of resources as both candidates are
probably equally bad for Russia (and it is the "deep state"
which actually dictate the US foreign policy, not POTUS.)
The US political system is already the can of worms and
the deterioration of neoliberal society this time created
almost revolutionary situation in Marxists terms, when Repug
elite was not able to control the nomination. Democratic
establishment still did OK and managed to squash the
rebellion, but here the level of degeneration demonstrated
itself in the selection of the candidate.
Taking into account the level of dysfunction of the US
political system, I am not so sure the Trump is preferable to
Hillary for Russians. I would say he is more unpredictable
and more dangerous. The main danger of Hillary is Syria war
escalation, but the same is true for Trump who can turn into
the second John McCain on a dime.
Also the difference between two should not be exaggerated.
Both are puppets of the forces the brought them to the
current level and in their POTUS role will need to be
subservient to the "deep state". Or at least to take into
account its existence and power. And that makes them more of
prisoners of the position they want so much.
Trump probably to lesser extent then Hillary, but he also
can't ignore the deep state. Both require the support of
Republican Congress for major legislative initiatives. And it
will very hostile to Hillary. Which is a major advantage for
Russians, as this excludes the possibility of some very
Again, IMHO in no way any of them will control the US
foreign policy. In this area the deep state is in charge
since Allen Dulles and those who try to deviate too much
might end as badly as JFK. I think Obama understood this very
well and did not try to rock the boat. And there are people
who will promptly explain this to Trump in a way that he
In other words, neither of them will escape the limit on
their power that "deep state" enforces. And that virtually
guarantee the continuity of the foreign policy, with just
slight tactical variations.
So why Russians should prefer one to another? You can
elect a dog as POTUS and the foreign policy of the USA will
be virtually the same as with Hillary or Trump.
In internal policy Trump looks more dangerous and more
willing to experiment, while Hillary is definitely a "status
quo" candidate. The last thing Russians needs is the US stock
market crush. So from the point of internal economic policy
Hillary is also preferable.
A lot of pundits stress the danger of war with Russia, and
that might be true as women in high political position try to
outdo men in hawkishness. But here Hillary jingoism probably
will be tightly controlled by the "deep state". Hillary
definitely tried to be "More Catholic then the Pope" in this
area while being the Secretary of State. That did not end
well for her and she might learn the lesson.
But if you think about the amount of "compromat" (Russian
term ;-) on Hillary and Bill that Russians may well already
collected, in "normal circumstances" she might be a preferable counterpart for Russians. As in "devil that we
know". Both Lavrov and Putin met Hillary. Medvedev was burned
by Hillary. Taking into account the level of greed Hillary
displayed during her career, I would be worried what Russians
have on her , as well as on Bill "transgressions" and
RICO-style actions of Clinton Foundation.
And taking into account the level of disgust amount the
government officials with Hillary (and this is not limited to
Secret Service) , new leaks are quite possible, which might
further complicate her position as POTUS.
In worst case, the first year (or two) leaks will continue.
Especially if damaging DNC leaks were the work of some
disgruntled person within the USA intelligence and not of
some foreign hacker group. That might be a plus for Russians as
such a constant distraction might limit her possibility to
make some stupid move in Syria. Or not.
As you know personal emails boxes for all major Web mail
providers are just one click away for NSA analysts. So
"Snowden II" hypothesis might have the right to exist.
Also it is quite probably that impeachment process for
Hillary will start soon after her election. In the House
Republicans have enough votes to try it. That also might be a
plus for s for both Russia and China. Trump is extremely
jingoistic as for Iran, and that might be another area were
Hillary is preferable to Russians and Chinese over Trump.
Also do not discount her health problems. She does have
some serious neurological disease, which eventually might
kill her. How fast she will deteriorate is not known but in a
year or two the current symptoms might become more
pronounced. If Bill have STD (and sometime he looks like a
person with HIV;
further complicates that picture (this is just a rumor, but
he really looks bad).
I think that all those factors make her an equal, or even
preferable candidate for such states as Russia and China.
This is the situation of "king is naked" -- the state that teaches other countries about
democracy has completely corrupted election process, like a typical banana republic. That what
Wikileak revelations proved.
In his post
our enemy? Colonel W. Patrick Lang is a retired senior officer of U.S. Military Intelligence
and U.S. Army Special Forces (The Green Berets) aptly stated:
The Democratic Party convention and the media are full of the assumption that Russia is the enemy
of the United States. What is the basis for that assumption?
Russian support for the Russian ethnic minority in eastern Ukraine? How does that threaten
the United States?
Russian annexation of the Crimea? Khrushchev arbitrarily transferred that part of Russia
to Ukraine during his time as head of the USSR. Khrushchev was a Ukrainian. Russia
never accepted the arbitrary transfer of a territory that had been theirs since the 18th
Century. How does this annexation threaten the United States?
Russia does not want to see Syria crushed by the jihadis and acts accordingly? How does
that threaten the United States?
Russia threatens the NATO states in eastern Europe? Tell me how they actually do that.
Is it by stationing their forces on their side of the border with these countries? Have
the Russians made threatening statements about the NATO states?
Russia has made threatening and hostile statements directed at the United States? When
and where was that?
Russia does not accept the principle of state sovereignty? Really? The United
States is on shaky ground citing that principle. Remember Iraq?
Russian intelligence may have intercepted and collected the DNC's communications (hacked)
as well as HC's stash of illegal e-mails? Possibly true but every country on earth that has the
capability does the same kind of thing every single day. That would include the United States.
The Obama Administration is apparently committed to a pre-emptive assertion that Russia is a world
class committed enemy of the United States. The Borgist media fully support that.
We should all sober up.
The Russian theme has become one of the most important in Hillary presidential campaign and
she unsurprisingly is engaged in full-scale anti-Russian hysteria.
Hillary joined ranks with neocons, military-industrial complex and plain-vanilla Russophobes (katehon.com,
Jul 28. 2016):
Speaking at a press conference in Florida, Trump called on Russia to hand over the 30,000 emails
"missing" from the Hillary Clinton's email server in the US. Their absence is a clear sign that Clinton
destroyed evidence proving that she used her personal e-mail server to send sensitive information.
Democrats immediately accused Trump of pandering to Russian hackers, although in reality the multi-billionaire
rhetorically hinted that the data that Clinton hid from the American investigation is in the hands
of foreign intelligence services. So, Clinton is a possible target for blackmail.
Trump's statement that he is ready to discuss the status of Crimea and the removal of anti-Russian
sanctions caused even more noise. This view is not accepted either in the Democrat or in the Republican
mainstream. Trump also said that Vladimir Putin does not respect Clinton and Obama, while Trump himself
hopes to find a common language with him. Trump appreciates Putin's leadership and believes that
the US must work together with Russia to deal with common threats, particularly against Islamic extremism.
Hide The establishment's tantrum
Both Democrats and Republicans are taking aim at Trump. The vice-presidential candidate, Mike Pence,
made threats to Russia. The head of the Republican majority in Congress, Paul Ryan, became somewhat
hysterical. He said that Putin is "a thug and should stay out of these elections."
It is Putin personally, and the Russian security services, who are accused of leaking correspondences
of top employees of the National Committee of the Democratic Party. This unverified story united
part of the Republicans and all of the Democrats, including the Clinton and Barack Obama themselves.
Trump supporters note that the Russian threat is used to divert attention from the content of these
letters. And these show the fraud carried out during the primaries which favored Hillary Clinton.
Hide The pro-American candidate
The "Russian scandal" demonstrates that on the one hand the thesis of the normalization of relations
with Russia, despite the propaganda, is becoming popular in US society. It is unlikely that Donald
Trump has made campaign statements that are not designed to gain the support of the public in this
election. On the other hand - Trump - a hard realist, like Putin, is not pro-Russian, but a pro-American
politician, and therefore the improvement of relations with Russia in his eyes corresponds to the
US's national interests. Trump has never to date done anything that would not be to his advantage.
Sometimes he even said he would order US fighter jets to engage with Russian ones, and declared he
would have a hard stance in relations with Russia.
Another thing is that his understanding of US national interests is fundamentally different from
the dominant American globalist elite consensus. For Trump, the US should not be the source of a
global liberal remaking of the world, but a national power, which optimizes its position just as
efficiently as any commercial project. And in terms of optimizing the position of the United States,
he says there should be a normal American interaction with Putin and Russia in the field of combating
terrorism and preventing the sliding of the two countries into a global war. He claims this is to
be the priority instead of issues relating to the promotion of democracy and the so-called fight
against "authoritarian regimes".
Bullsh**t that the US MSM are now propagating is essentially a variation of the old theme "The
Russians are Coming". Here is nice satire on the topic (washingtonsblog.com):
MC: President Putin, did the Russian government hack the DNC email server and then publically
release those emails through Wikileaks the day before the Democratic convention?
MC: Yes! Are you serious?
Putin: I’m quite serious.
MC: How can you justify this open meddling in United States politics?
MC: How can you justify this open meddling in United States politics?
Putin: Your question should be what took Russia so long. The US oligarchs and their minions
surround us with military bases and nuclear missiles, damage our trade to Europe, and seek to destabilize
our domestic politics. These emails are nothing in the big picture. But they’re sort of funny,
don’t you agree?
MC: I’m not sure that funny is the right word. What do you mean by that?
Putin: You’ve got Hillary Clinton running as a strong and independent woman.
Of course, nobody would know who she is had she not married Bill Clinton. She’s not independent.
Quite the contrary. She had to marry a philandering redneck to get to where she is. When it comes
to strength, I can say only this. How strong can you be if you have to cheat and create a rigged
game to win the nomination?
MC: Anything else about your leak to cheer us up?
Putin: This situation is the epitome of ironic humor. After the emails were released, the
focus was all on DNC Chair and Congresswoman Debbie Wasserman-Schultz. That’s fine for now but what
happens when people start asking why Wasserman-Schultz had the DNC screw Sanders and boost Hillary?
Did she just wake up one day and decide this on her own?. Not likely. She was and remains Hillary’s
agent. It will take people a while to arrive that answer. When enough people hear about
Wasserman-Schultz’s key role in the Clinton campaign, everything will be clear. It’s
adios Hillary. That inevitable conclusion, by the way, is the reason the DNC made such a big deal
about Russia hacking the DNC. That was diversion one right out of the gate.
DNC and Clinton are going to push the Russian card very hard in anticipation of further stories and
revelations of corruption, money laundering, etc. Technical analysis provided is some idiotic,
entry level nonsense. And it should ne complete dulsh*t as those cases are very complex and can used
smokescreen -- deflecting attention from a read source (for example Israel) to Russians (Israel has
large Russian speaking population, that is well represented in security services of the country).
When the USA opened this can of worm with Stixnet (discovered around mid 2010) and Flame (discovered
around 2012), they did not expect a blowback. Now it start coming: it is simply impossible to secure
"normal" Microsoft-based IT system against any sophisticated adversary. Remember that we live in the
period when developed by NSA and "friends" Flame and Stixnet worm are part of the recorded history.
And technologies used in them are well studied by all major world three letter agencies. They
became a part of their workbook. And the response to their devilishness they generated even more
devilish methods of attack of any IT infrastructure based on Microsoft technologies, to say nothing
about such low hanging fruit as completely corrupt DNC with semi-competent IT staff using
pathetic Microsoft Exchange based email system: (naked
Yup, as a former server admin it is patently absurd to attribute a hack to anyone in particular
until a substantial amount of forensic work has been done. (read, poring over multiple internal
log files…gathering yet more log files of yet more internal devices, poring over them, then –
once the request hops out of your org – requesting logfiles from remote entities, poring over
*those* log files, requesting further log files from yet more upstream entities, wash rinse repeat
For example, at its simplest, I would expect a middling-competency hacker to find an open
wifi hub across town to connect to, then VPN to server in, say, Tonga, then VPN from there to
another box in Sweden, then connect to a PC previously compromised in Iowa, then VPN to yet another
anonymous cloud server in Latvia, and (assuming the mountain dew is running low, gotta get cracking)
then RDP to the target server and grab as many docs as possible. RAR those up and encrypt them,
FTP them to a compromised media server in South Korea, email them from there to someones gmail
account previously hacked, xfer them to a P2P file sharing app, and then finally access them later
from a completely different set of servers.
In many cases where I did this sort of analysis I still ended up with a complete dead end:
some sysadmins at remote companies or orgs would be sympathetic and give me actual related log
files. Others would be sympathetic but would not give files, and instead do their own analysis
to give me tips. Many never responded, and most IPs ended up at unknown (compromised) personal
PCs, or devices where the owner could not be found anyway.
If the hacker was sloppy and left other types of circumstantial evidence you might get
lucky – but that demographic mostly points back to script kiddies and/or criminal dweebs – i.e.,
rather then just surreptitiously exfiltrating the goods they instead left messages or altered
things that seemed to indicate their own backgrounds or prejudices, or left a message that was
more easily 'traced'. If, of course, you took that evidence at face value and it was not itself
an attempt at obfuscation.
Short of a state actor such as an NSA who captures it ALL anyway, and/or can access any
log files at any public or private network at its own whim – its completely silly to attribute
a hack to anyone at this point.
So, I guess I am reduced to LOL OMG WTF its fer the LULZ!!!!!
Just to clarify on the "…If the hacker was sloppy and left other types of circumstantial evidence…"
– this is basically what I have seen reported as 'evidence' pointing to Russia: the Cyrillic keyboard
signature, the 'appeared to cease work on Russian holidays' stuff, and the association with 'known
Russian hacking groups'.
That's great and all, but in past work I am sure my own 'research' could easily have gotten
me 'associated' with known hacking groups. Presumably various 'sophisticated' methods and tools
get you closer to possible suspects…but that kind of stuff is cycled and recycled throughout the
community worldwide – as soon as anything like that is known and published, any reasonably competent
hacker (or org of hackers) is learning how to do the same thing and incorporating such things
into their own methods. (imitation being the sincerest form of flattery)
I guess I have a lot more respect for the kinds of people I expect to be getting a paycheck
from foreign Intelligence agencies then to believe that they would leave such obvious clues behind
'accidentally'. But if we are going to be starting wars over this stuff w/Russia, or China, I
guess I would hope the adults in the room don't go all apesh*t and start chanting COMMIES, THE
RUSSIANS ARE COMING!, etc. before the ink is dry on the 'crime'.
The whole episode reminds me of
the Sony hack , for which Obama
also blamed a demonized foreign power. Interestingly - to beg the question here - the blaming
was also based on a foreign character set in the data (though Hangul, not Korean). Look! A clue!
JacobiteInTraining's methodology also reminds me of NC's coverage of Grexit. Symbol manipulators
- like those in the Democrat-leaning creative class - often believe that real economy systems are
as easy to manipulate as symbol systems are. In Greece, for example, it really was a difficult technical
challenge for Greece to reintroduce the drachma, especially given the time-frame, as contributor
Clive remorselessly showed. Similarly, it's really not credible to hire a consultant and get a hacking
report with a turnaround time of less than a week, even leaving aside the idea that the DNC just
might have hired a consultant that would give them the result they wanted (because who among
us, etc.) What JacobiteInTraining shows us is that computer forensics is laborious, takes time, and
is very unlikely to yield results suitable for framing in the narratives proffered by the political
class. Of course, that does confirm all my priors!
There is a problem with those who argue that these are sophisticated Nation State attackers
and then point to the most basic circumstantial evidence to support their case. I'd bet that,
among others, the Israelis have hacked some Russian servers to launch attacks from and have some
of their workers on a Russian holiday schedule. Those things have been written about in attack
analysis so much over the last 15-20 years that they'd be stupid not to.
Now, I'm not saying the Israelis did it. I'm saying that the evidence provided so far by
those arguing it is Russia is so flaky as to prove that the Russia accusers are
blinded or corrupted by their own political agenda.
One of the strongest pieces of evidence linking GRU to the DNC hack is the equivalent of
identical fingerprints found in two burglarized buildings: a reused command-and-control address - 176.31.112[.]10 - that
was hard coded
in a piece of malware found both in the German parliament as well as on the DNC's servers.
Russian military intelligence was identified by the German domestic security agency BfV as
the actor responsible for the Bundestag breach. The infrastructure behind the fake MIS Department
domain was also linked to the Berlin intrusion through at least one other element, a
This paragraph sounds quite damning if you take it at face value, but if you invest a little
time into checking the source material, its carefully constructed narrative falls apart.
Problem #1: The IP address 176.31.112[.]10 used in the Bundestag breach as a Command and
Control server has never been connected to the Russian intelligence services. In fact,
Claudio Guarnieri , a highly regarded security researcher,
whose technical analysis was
Rid, stated that "no evidence allows to tie the attacks to governments of any particular country."
Mind you, he has two additional problems with that claim alone.
This piece is a must read if you want to dig further into this topic.
 More than a talking point but, really, less than a narrative. It's like we need a new word
for these bite-sized, meme-ready, disposable, "throw 'em against the wall and see if they stick"
stories; mini-narrative, or narrativelette, perhaps. "All the crunch of a real narrative, but none
of the nutrition!"
 This post is not about today's Trump moral panic, where the political class is frothing
and stamping about The Donald's humorous (or ballbusting, take your pick) statement that he
"hoped" the Russians had hacked the 30,000 emails that Clinton supposedly deleted from the email
server she privatized in her public capacity as Secretary of State before handing the whole flaming
and steaming mess over to investigators. First, who cares? Those emails are all about yoga lessons
and Chelsea's wedding. Right? Second, Clinton didn't secure the server for three months. What did
she expect? Third, Trump's suggestion is just dumb; the NSA has to have that data, so just ask them?
Finally, to be fair, Trump shouldn't have uttered the word "Russia." He should have said "Liechtenstein,"
or "Tonga," because it's hard to believe that there's a country too small to hack as fat a target
as Clinton presented; Trump was being inflammatory. Points off. Bad show.
For those interested, the excellent interviewer Scott Horton just spoke with Jeffrey Carr,
an IT security expert about all this. It's about 30 mins:
Jeffrey Carr, a cyber intelligence expert and CEO of Taia Global, Inc., discusses his fact-checking
of Josh Marshall's TalkingPointsMemo article that claims a close alliance between Trump and
Putin; and why the individuals blaming Russia for the DNC email hack are more motivated by
politics than solid evidence.
Carr makes the point that even supposed clues about Russian involvement ("the default language
is Cyrillic!") are meaningless as all these could be spoofed by another party.
Separately it just shows again Team Clinton's (and DNC's) political deviousness and expertise
how they –with the full support of the MSM of course –have managed to deflect the discussion to
Trump and Russia from how the DNC subverted US democracy.
and again, we see the cavalier attitude about national security from the clinton camp, aggravating
the already tense relationship with russia over this bullshit, all to avoid some political disadvantage.
clinton doesn't care if russia gets the nuclear launch codes seemingly, but impact her chances
to win the race and it's all guns firing.
Well yeah, and I could be a bot, how do you know I'm not?
Absent any other evidence to work with, I can accept it as credible that a clumsy Russian
or Baltic user posted viewed and saved docs instead of the originals; par for the course in public
and private bureaucracies the world over. It would have been useful to see the original Properties
metadata; instead we get crapped up copies. That only tells me the poster is something of a lightweight,
and it at least somewhat suggests that these docs passed through multiple hands.
But that doesn't mean A) the original penetration occurred under state control (or even in
Russia proper), much less B) that Putin Himself ordered the hack attempts, which is the searing
retinal afterimage that the the media name-dropping and photo-illustrating conflation produces.
Unspoofed, the Cyrillic fingerprints still do not closely constrain conclusion to A, and even
less to B.
Another name for the trick DNC used is "Catch a chief" -- a deflection of attention from their own
criminal behaviour. But they should now be really afraid about what can come next from Wikileaks or
elsewhere. I don't think Hillary was capable to understand how easy it is to find corruption, especially
when there's a email trail. And this lack of understanding is a typical feature of a sociopath
As Guardian reported (The
Guardian) Clinton campaign tried old "dog eat my homework" trick blaming everything on Putin and
trying to ignore the content of them and the dirty laundry they expose:
Hillary Clinton’s campaign has accused Russia of meddling in the 2016 presidential election, saying
its hackers stole Democratic National Committee (DNC) emails and released them to foment disunity
in the party and aid Donald Trump.
Clinton’s campaign manager, Robby Mook, said on Sunday that “experts are telling us that Russian
state actors broke into the DNC, stole these emails, [and are] releasing these emails for the purpose
of helping Donald Trump”.
“I don’t think it’s coincidental that these emails are being released on the eve of our convention
here,” he told CNN’s State of the Union, alluding to the party’s four-day exercise in unification
which is set to take place this week in Philadelphia.
“This isn’t my assertion,” Mook said. “This is what experts are telling us.”
In a statement, the Clinton campaign repeated the accusation: “This is further evidence the Russian
government is trying to influence the outcome of the election.”
Classic scapegoating. As Guardian commenter noted "Why is the (potential) perpetrator of the leak
more significant than the content of the leak??
As life exceeds satire, one can imagine that within a week Wikileaks will produce those "missing
e-mails". And later Hillary's Wall Street speeches, following the next appeal from Trump.
In any case a major US establishment party explicitly levied it's resources against a candidate it
didn't like behaviors like a Mafioso clan, and when caught red handed start to deflect attention via
corrupt and subservant MSM, changing focus into Russia and Putin instead. Great journalism!"
I find very I interesting that, somehow, the initial DNC leak story failed to make a headline
position (a day late, at that) on the Guardian, but now that it's blown up on other channels,
the DNC's ridiculous conspiracy theory/distraction attempt gets top billing here. Ridiculous.
Why is the (potential) perpetrator of the leak more significant than the content of the leak??
A major US establishment party explicitly levied it's resources against a candidate it didn't
like, and somehow we're talking about Putin instead. Great journalism.
Chanze Jennings -> atopic
The Guardian has sunk to a new low and has entirely no shame. It's a sad day for journalism
when Twitter has more integrity than most news outlets. And they wonder why newspapers are going
the way of the Dodo. Remember when real journalists presented stories with little bias and tried
hard to stick to the facts?
BTW there are some real experts on this and they have a different opinion. Check comments for the
ABC and CNN are essentially part of the DNC propaganda wing. They and most other MSM were trying
to reshape this mess to reduce the amount of damage. Stephanopolis worked for Bill Clinton. And
donated $75,000 to Hillary's campaign. And now he is trying to paint Trump as having ties to the Putin
You are going to have to do a heck of a lot better than that. A Saudi Prince has admitted to
funding a large portion of Hillary's campaign. That is a tie. All the money she took from those
countries while benefiting them as Secretary of State is a tie.
Know Mei > deanbob
"Spoken like someone who has never been a member of the Democratic Party and has no understanding
of what we do," Debbie Wasserman Schultz. Oh, believe me, Debbie, the American people know what
the Democratic Party and the Republican Party does. Both parties embellish, manipulate, grant
high positions to big donors, plot, backstab and railroad the vote of the American electorate.
However, business as usual did not work well for the Republican Party elitists this primary season.
Donald Trump beat the Republican Party elitists at their game. Bernie Sanders attempted to do
the same to the Democratic Party.
I think they are being short-sighted. Trump will in all likelihood win now and I don't see
him sticking to the script. The media has completely betrayed the American public on this
story. From Facebook and Twitter blocking and deleting stories re: same initially - to now with
the non-articles we are getting from the big news agencies. Finding decent, honest news coverage
shouldn't be so hard.
William Carr > Know Mei •
“Both parties embellish, manipulate, grant high positions to big donors, plot, backstab and
railroad the vote of the American electorate”
But, as he details below in a letter published by
The Washington Post, he has officially resigned "to be clear, my decision had nothing to do with
politics," seemingly because the Trump Administration is "tuning out the intelligence professionals."
Nearly 15 years ago, I informed my skeptical father that I was pursuing a job with the Central
Intelligence Agency. Among his many concerns was that others would never believe I had resigned from
the agency when I sought my next job. "Once CIA, always CIA," he said. But that didn't give me pause.
This wouldn't be just my first real job, I thought then; it would be my career.
That changed when I formally resigned last week. Despite working proudly for Republican and Democratic
presidents, I reluctantly concluded that I cannot in good faith serve this administration as an intelligence
This was not a decision I made lightly. I sought out the CIA as a college student, convinced that
it was the ideal place to serve my country and put an otherwise abstract international-relations
degree to use. I wasn't disappointed.
The CIA taught me new skills and exposed me to new cultures and countries. More important, it
instilled in me a sense of mission and purpose. As an analyst, I became an expert in terrorist groups
and traveled the world to help deter and disrupt attacks. The administrations of George W. Bush and
Barack Obama took the CIA's input seriously. There was no greater reward than having my analysis
presented to the president and seeing it shape events. Intelligence informing policy - this is how
the system is supposed to work. I saw that up close for the past three years at the White House,
where I worked on loan from the CIA until last month.
As a candidate, Donald Trump's rhetoric suggested that he intended to take a different approach.
I watched in disbelief when, during the
third presidential debate , Trump casually cast doubt on the high-confidence conclusion of
our 17 intelligence agencies , released that month, that Russia was behind the hacking and release
of election-related emails. On the campaign trail and even as president-elect, Trump
routinely referred to the flawed 2002 assessment of Iraq's weapons programs as proof that the
CIA couldn't be trusted - even though the intelligence community had long ago held itself to account
for those mistakes and Trump
himself supported the invasion of Iraq.
Trump's actions in office have been even more disturbing. His
visit to CIA headquarters on his first full day in office, an overture designed to repair relations,
was undone by his ego and bluster. Standing in front of a memorial to the CIA's fallen officers,
he seemed to be addressing the cameras and reporters in the room, rather than the agency personnel
in front of them, bragging about his inauguration crowd the previous day. Whether delusional or deceitful,
these were not the remarks many of my former colleagues and I wanted to hear from our new commander
in chief. I couldn't help but reflect on the stark contrast between the bombast of the new president
and the quiet dedication of a mentor - a courageous, dedicated professional - who is memorialized
on that wall. I know others at CIA felt similarly.
The final straw came late last month, when the White House issued
a directive reorganizing the National Security Council , on whose staff I served from 2014 until
earlier this year. Missing from the NSC's principals committee were the CIA director and the director
of national intelligence. Added to the roster: the president's chief strategist, Stephen K. Bannon,
who cut his teeth as a media champion of white nationalism.
The public outcry led the administration
to reverse course and name the CIA director an NSC principal, but the White House's inclination
was clear. It has little need for intelligence professionals who, in speaking truth to power, might
challenge the so-called "America First" orthodoxy that sees Russia as an ally and Australia as a
punching bag. That's why the president's trusted
White House advisers , not career professionals, reportedly have final say over what intelligence
reaches his desk.
To be clear, my decision had nothing to do with politics, and I would have been proud to again
work under a Republican administration open to intelligence analysis. I served with conviction under
President George W. Bush, some of whose policies I also found troubling, and I took part in programs
that the Obama administration criticized and ended. As intelligence professionals, we're taught to
tune out politics. The river separating CIA headquarters in Langley, Va., from Washington might as
well be a political moat. But this administration has flipped that dynamic on its head: The politicians
are the ones tuning out the intelligence professionals.
The CIA will continue to serve important functions - including undertaking covert action and sharing
information with close allies and partners around the globe. If this administration is serious about
building trust with the intelligence community, however, it will require more than rallies at CIA
headquarters or press statements. What intelligence professionals want most is to know that the fruits
of their labor - sometimes at the risk of life or limb - are accorded due deference in the policymaking
Until that happens, President Trump and his team are doing another disservice to these dedicated
men and women and the nation they proudly, if quietly, serve.
Has President Trump created an environment that cleanses itself? A self-'draining' swamp?
Notice how they're all doing the tell-all, heart-to-heart pieces at the same rags that are
Also, now that it's Trump in the WH, the dissenters are all the sudden the credible ones? I'd
bet even money that if Wikileaks published something negative to the Trump admin, it would suddenly
become the pinnacle of truth.
This guy was selling girl scout cookies and thought the profits were shared with the CIA because
they both did good work for humanity. After dark he was an assassin and they probably reduced
his bonus per kill.
I'm making over $7k a month working part time. I kept hearing other people tell me how much
money they can make online so I decided to look into it. Well, it was all true and has totally
changed my life. This is what I do... http://bit.ly/2jdTzrM
The headline should read "Former CIA Agent Tells Us Why He's a Pathetic Loser" He left the
criminal underbelly of government so he could start a lucrative career in Fake News. I have to
admit, he's off to a good start....
Doublethink is the act of simultaneously accepting two mutually contradictory beliefs as correct,
often in distinct social
contexts .  Doublethink is related to, but differs from,
. Also related is
, in which contradictory beliefs cause conflict in one's mind. Doublethink is notable due
to a lack of cognitive dissonance - thus the person is completely unaware of any conflict or contradiction.
The melting snowflakes are more like a case of Cognitive Dissonance.
Sally Yates was anything but treacherous in
her final days as President Trump's acting Attorney General.
Her role as a legal canary
in the coal mine during a brief role heading the Justice Department may have poised the
White House away from National Security Adviser Michael Flynn, and inspired his ousting.
Yates tried insulating the White House from a series of looming controversies - the
potentially illegal executive order banning travelers from seven predominantly Muslim
countries and the latest bombshell that Flynn misled several senior members of the Trump
administration about his suspected pre-inauguration talks with a Russian diplomat.
Despite Flynn's assurances to Vice President Mike Pence that he never discussed
dissolving Obama's sanctions against Russia, Yates informed the Trump camp in late January
that he lied and it was a violation of the Logan Act. The law prohibits private citizens
from influencing foreign government.
Additionally, Flynn was a prime target for Russian blackmail, the Washington Post
reported Yates as saying.
She wasn't alone in her thoughts. Both former CIA director John Brennan and James
Clapper, the former Director of National Intelligence agreed with Yates, according to the
David Stockman provides one of
the best commentaries on Flynn assassination by deep state and Obama neocon holdovers in the administration.
This is a really powerful astute, first class analysis of the situation:
Flynn's Gone But They're Still Gunning For You, Donald
== quote ==
... ... ...
This is the real scandal as Trump himself has rightly asserted. The very idea that the already announced
#1 national security advisor to a President-elect should be subject to old-fashion "bugging," albeit
with modern day technology, overwhelmingly trumps the utterly specious Logan Act charge at the center
of the case.
As one writer for LawNewz noted regarding acting Attorney General Sally Yates' voyeuristic pre-occupation
with Flynn's intercepted conversations, Nixon should be rolling in his grave with envy:
Now, information leaks that Sally Yates knew about surveillance being conducted against potential
members of the Trump administration, and disclosed that information to others. Even Richard Nixon
didn't use the government agencies themselves to do his black bag surveillance operations. Sally
Yates involvement with this surveillance on American political opponents, and possibly the leaking
related thereto, smacks of a return to Hoover-style tactics. As writers at Bloomberg and The Week
both noted, it wreaks of 'police-state' style tactics. But knowing dear Sally as I do, it comes as
Yes, that's the same career apparatchik of the permanent government that Obama left behind to continue
the 2016 election by other means. And it's working. The Donald is being rapidly emasculated by the
powers that be in the Imperial City due to what can only be described as an audacious and self-evident
attack on Trump's Presidency by the Deep State.
Indeed, it seems that the layers of intrigue have gotten so deep and convoluted that the nominal
leadership of the permanent government machinery has lost track of who is spying on whom. Thus, we
have the following curious utterance by none other than the Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee,
Rep. Devin Nunes:
'I expect for the FBI to tell me what is going on, and they better have a good answer,' he told The
Washington Post. 'The big problem I see here is that you have an American citizen who had his phone
Well, yes. That makes 324 million of us, Congressman.
But for crying out loud, surely the oh so self-important chairman of the House intelligence committee
knows that everybody is bugged. But when it reaches the point that the spy state is essentially using
its unconstitutional tools to engage in what amounts to "opposition research" with the aim of election
nullification, then the Imperial City has become a clear and present danger to American democracy
and the liberties of the American people.
As Robert Barnes of LawNewz further explained, Sally Yates, former CIA director John Brennan and
a large slice of the Never Trumper intelligence community were systematically engaged in "opposition
research" during the campaign and the transition:
According to published reports, someone was eavesdropping, and recording, the conversations of Michael
Flynn, while Sally Yates was at the Department of Justice. Sally Yates knew about this eavesdropping,
listened in herself (Pellicano-style for those who remember the infamous LA cases), and reported
what she heard to others. For Yates to have such access means she herself must have been involved
in authorizing its disclosure to political appointees, since she herself is such a political appointee.
What justification was there for an Obama appointee to be spying on the conversations of a future
Consider this little tidbit in The Washington Post . The paper, which once broke Watergate, is now
propagating the benefits of Watergate-style surveillance in ways that do make Watergate look like
a third-rate effort. (With the) FBI 'routinely' monitoring conversations of Americans...... Yates
listened to 'the intercepted call,' even though Yates knew there was 'little chance' of any credible
case being made for prosecution under a law 'that has never been used in a prosecution.'
And well it hasn't been. After all, the Logan Act was signed by President John Adams in 1799 in order
to punish one of Thomas Jefferson's supporters for having peace discussions with the French government
in Paris. That is, it amounted to pre-litigating the Presidential campaign of 1800 based on sheer
According to the Washington Post itself, that is exactly what Yates and the Obama holdovers did day
and night during the interregnum:
Indeed, the paper details an apparent effort by Yates to misuse her office to launch a full-scale
secret investigation of her political opponents, including 'intercepting calls' of her political
So all of the feigned outrage emanating from Democrats and the Washington establishment about Team
Trump's trafficking with the Russians is a cover story. Surely anyone even vaguely familiar with
recent history would have known there was absolutely nothing illegal or even untoward about Flynn's
post-Christmas conversations with the Russian Ambassador.
Indeed, we recall from personal experience the thrilling moment on inauguration day in January 1981
when word came of the release of the American hostages in Tehran. Let us assure you, that did not
happen by immaculate diplomatic conception -- nor was it a parting gift to the Gipper by the outgoing
To the contrary, it was the fruit of secret negotiations with the Iranian government during the transition
by private American citizens. As the history books would have it because it's true, the leader of
that negotiation, in fact, was Ronald Reagan's national security council director-designate, Dick
As the real Washington Post later reported, under the by-line of a real reporter, Bob Woodward:
Reagan campaign aides met in a Washington DC hotel in early October, 1980, with a self-described
'Iranian exile' who offered, on behalf of the Iranian government, to release the hostages to Reagan,
not Carter, in order to ensure Carter's defeat in the November 4, 1980 election.
The American participants were Richard Allen, subsequently Reagan's first national security adviser,
Allen aide Laurence Silberman, and Robert McFarlane, another future national security adviser who
in 1980 was on the staff of Senator John Tower (R-TX).
To this day we have not had occasion to visit our old friend Dick Allen in the US penitentiary because
he's not there; the Logan Act was never invoked in what is surely the most blatant case ever of citizen
So let's get to the heart of the matter and be done with it. The Obama White House conducted a sour
grapes campaign to delegitimize the election beginning November 9th and it was led by then CIA Director
That treacherous assault on the core constitutional matter of the election process culminated in
the ridiculous Russian meddling report of the Obama White House in December. The latter, of course,
was issued by serial liar James Clapper, as national intelligence director, and the clueless Democrat
lawyer and bag-man, Jeh Johnson, who had been appointed head of the Homeland Security Department.
Yet on the basis of the report's absolutely zero evidence and endless surmise, innuendo and "assessments",
the Obama White House imposed another round of its silly school-boy sanctions on a handful of Putin's
Of course, Flynn should have been telling the Russian Ambassador that this nonsense would be soon
But here is the ultimate folly. The mainstream media talking heads are harrumphing loudly about the
fact that the very day following Flynn's call -- Vladimir Putin announced that he would not retaliate
against the new Obama sanctions as expected; and shortly thereafter, the Donald tweeted that Putin
had shown admirable wisdom.
That's right. Two reasonably adult statesman undertook what might be called the Christmas Truce of
2016. But like its namesake of 1914 on the bloody no man's land of the western front, the War Party
has determined that the truce-makers shall not survive.
The Donald has been warned.
reports that Yates-along with former national intelligence director James Clapper Jr. and CIA
director John Brennan-told the incoming administration that "Flynn had put himself in a
compromising position" at the end of last year and was vulnerable to blackmail because of his
potentially illegal discussions of U.S. sanctions with the diplomat. (At the time of his
conversations with the Russian ambassador, he was not yet a member of the administration and so
could be in violation of the Logan Act, which prohibits private citizens from interfering in
Late on Monday, the Washington Post was the first to report that
former Atlanta U.S. Attorney Sally Yates warned Trump administration
then-national security advisor Michael Flynn had not told the truth about the nature of his
conversations with Russia's ambassador to the U.S. Yates, who at the time was the acting U.S.
attorney general, told the White House general counsel that Flynn could be vulnerable to
blackmail by the Russians.
President Dwight Eisenhower's warning about the dangers of the
military-industrial complex made half a century ago ring as loud and clear today
The soft coup being mounted against the Trump government by America's 'deep state'
reached a new intensity this week as special interests battled for control of
The newly named national security advisor, Lt Gen Michael Flynn, was
ousted by Trump over his chats with Russia's ambassador and what he may or may not have
told Vice President Pence. The defenestration of Flynn appeared engineered by our
national intelligence agencies in collaboration with the mainstream media and certain
Flynn's crime? Talking to the wicked Russians before and after the election.
Big, big deal. That's what security advisors are supposed to do: keep an open back
channel to other major powers and allies. This is also the job of our intelligence
There is no good or bad in international affairs. The childish concept of 'good guys'
and 'bad guys' comes from the Bush era when simple-minded voters had to be convinced
that America was somehow in grave danger from a bunch of angry Mideast goat herds.
The only nations that could threaten America's very existence are nuclear
powers Russia, China, India, France, Britain and Israel (and maybe Pakistan) in that
Russia has thousands of nuclear warheads targeted on the US mainland. Any real war
with Russia would invite doom for both nations. Two near misses are more than enough.
Remember the 1962 Cuban missile confrontation and the terrifying 1983 Able Archer scare
– near thermonuclear war caused by Ronald Reagan's anti-Russian hysteria and Moscow's
Margolis' #1 rule of international relations: make nice and keep on good
terms with nations that have nuclear weapons pointed at you. Avoid squabbles over almost
all matters. Intelligence agencies play a key role in maintaining the balance of nuclear
terror and preventing misunderstandings that can cause war.
Gen. Flynn was a fanatical anti-Islamic wing nut. He was, to use Trumpese, a bigly
terrible choice. I'm glad he is gone. But Flynn's sin was being loopy, not talking on
the phone to the Russian ambassador. The White House and national intelligence should be
talking every day to Moscow, even 'hi Boris, what's new with you guys? 'Nothing much new
here either besides the terrible traffic.'
The current hue and cry in the US over
Flynn's supposed infraction is
entirely a fake political ambush to cripple the Trump administration.
caved in much too fast. The deep state is after his scalp: he has threatened to cut the
$80 billion per annum intelligence budget – which alone, boys and girls, is larger than
Russia's entire defense budget! He's talking about rooting waste out of the Pentagon's
almost trillion-dollar budget, spending less on NATO, and ending some of America's
imperial wars abroad.
What's to like about Trump if you're a member of the war party and
military-industrial-intelligence-Wall Street complex?
The complex wants
its golden girl Hilary Clinton in charge. She unleashed the current tsunami of
anti-Russian hysteria and demonization of Vladimir Putin which shows, sadly, that many
Americans have not grown beyond the days of Joe McCarthy.
As a long-time student of Cold War intelligence, my conclusion is that both sides
knew pretty much what the other was up to, though KGB and GRU were more professional and
skilled than western special services. It would be so much easier and cheaper just to
share information on a demand basis. But that would stop the Great Game.
It's sickening watching the arrant hypocrisy and windbaggery in Washington
over alleged Russian espionage and manipulation.
The US has been buying and
manipulating foreign governments since 1945. We even tapped German Chancellor Angela
Merkel's cell phone. This week Wikileaks issued an intercept on CIA spying and
manipulation of France's 2012 election.
We live in a giant glass house.
The Russians are not our pals. Nor are they the evil empire.
to normalize our thinking about Russia, grow up and stop using Moscow as a political
bogeyman to fight our own internal political battles.
Right now, I'm more worried about the far right crazies in the Trump White House than
I am about the Ruskis and Vlad the Bad.
"... Exclusive: Democrats, liberals and media pundits – in their rush to take down President Trump – are pushing a New McCarthyism aimed at Americans who have talked to Russians, risking a new witch hunt. ..."
"... As Democrats compete to become the new War Party – pushing for a dangerous confrontation with nuclear-armed Russia – some constituents are objecting, as Mike Madden did in a letter to Sen. Amy Klobuchar. ..."
France: Another Ghastly Presidential Election Campaign;
the Deep State Rises to the Surface
by Diana Johnstone
As if the 2016 U.S. presidential election campaign hadn't
been horrendous enough, here comes another one: in France.
The system in France is very different, with multiple
candidates in two rounds, most of them highly articulate, who
often even discuss real issues. Free television time reduces
the influence of big money. The first round on April 23 will
select the two finalists for the May 7 runoff, allowing for
much greater choice than in the United States.
But monkey see, monkey do, and the mainstream political
class wants to mimic the ways of the Empire, even echoing the
theme that dominated the 2016 show across the Atlantic: the
evil Russians are messing with our wonderful democracy.
The aping of the U.S. system began with "primaries" held
by the two main governing parties which obviously aspire to
establish themselves as the equivalent of American Democrats
and Republicans in a two-party system. The right-wing party
of former president Nicolas Sarkozy has already renamed
itself Les Républicains and the so-called Socialist Party
leaders are just waiting for the proper occasion to call
themselves Les Démocrates. But as things are going, neither
one of them may come out ahead this time.
As Democrats compete to become the new War Party –
pushing for a dangerous confrontation with nuclear-armed
Russia – some constituents are objecting, as Mike Madden did
in a letter to Sen. Amy Klobuchar.
From Mike Madden (of St. Paul, Minnesota)
Dear Senator Klobuchar, I write with concern over
statements you have made recently regarding Russia.
These statements have been made both at home and abroad,
and they involve two issues; the alleged Russian hack of the
presidential election and Russia's actions in the aftermath
of the February 22, 2014 coup in Kiev.
U.S. intelligence services allege that President Vladimir
Putin ordered an influence campaign to denigrate Hillary
Clinton and help elect Donald Trump. The campaign is
purported to include the production of fake news,
cyber-trolling, and propaganda from Russian state-owned
media. It is also alleged that Russia hacked the email
accounts of the Democratic National Committee and Clinton
campaign chair John Podesta, subsequently providing the
emails to WikiLeaks.
Despite calls from many quarters, the intelligence
services have not provided the public with any proof.
Instead, Americans are expected to blindly trust these
services with a long history of failure. Additionally, the
former Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper, and
the former Director of the Central Intelligence Agency, John
Brennan, have both been known to lie to the public and to
Congress, Mr. Clapper doing so under oath.
Meanwhile, WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange maintains the
emails did not come from Russia (or any other state actor)
and his organization has an unblemished record of revealing
accurate information in the public interest that would
otherwise remain hidden. While responsible journalists
continue to use the word 'alleged' to describe the
accusations, Republicans with an ax to grind against Russia,
and Democrats wishing to distract from their own failings in
the campaign, refer to them as fact. Indeed, on the Amy in
the News page of your own website, Jordain Carney of The Hill
refers to the Russian meddling as "alleged".
A congressional commission to investigate the alleged
Russian hacking is not necessary. Even if all the allegations
are true, they are altogether common occurrences, and they
certainly don't rise to the level of "an act of aggression",
"an existential threat to our way of life", or "an attack on
the American people" as various Democratic officials have
characterized them. Republican Senator John McCain went full
monty and called the alleged meddling "an act of war".
Joining War Hawks
It is of concern that you would join Senator McCain and
the equally belligerent Senator Lindsey Graham on a tour of
Russian provocation through the Baltics, Ukraine, Georgia,
and Montenegro. The announcement of your trip (December 28,
2016) on the News Releases page of your website renewed the
unproven claim of "Russian interference in our recent
election". It also claimed that the countries you were
visiting were facing "Russian aggression" and that "Russia
illegally annexed Crimea".
It is unfortunate that these claims have become truisms by
sheer repetition rather than careful examination of the
facts. Russia has not invaded eastern Ukraine. There are no
regular units of the Russian military in the breakaway
provinces, nor has Russia launched any air strikes from its
territory. It has sent weapons and other provisions to the
Ukrainian forces seeking autonomy from Kiev, and there are
most certainly Russian volunteers operating in Ukraine.
However regrettable, it must be remembered that the unrest
was precipitated by the February 22, 2014 overthrow of the
democratically elected president Viktor Yanukovych which,
speaking of meddling, was assisted by U.S. State Department,
other American government agencies, and one Senator John
McCain. The subsequent military and paramilitary operations
launched by the coup government against the People's
Republics of Donetsk and Luhansk were described by President
Putin as "uncontrolled crime" spreading into the south and
east of the country. In American parlance, both the interim
coup government in Kiev and the current government of
President Petro Poroshenko have engaged in "killing their own
Near the end of her short tenure at the head of the Justice
Department, Yates reportedly informed the White House that
Flynn may have misled senior officials about his calls with the Russian
ambassador, according to reports from The Post, which cited unnamed officials:
The acting attorney general informed the Trump White House
late last month that she believed Michael Flynn had misled senior
administration officials about the nature of his communications with the
Russian ambassador to the United States, and warned that the national
security adviser was potentially vulnerable to Russian blackmail, current
and former U.S. officials said.
The message, delivered by
Sally Q. Yates and a senior career national security official to the
White House counsel, was prompted by concerns that Flynn, when asked about
his calls and texts with the Russian diplomat, had told Vice
Mike Pence and others that he had not discussed the
Obama administration sanctions on Russia for its interference in the
2016 election, the officials said. It is unclear what the White House
counsel, Donald McGahn, did with the information.
Those concerns were later echoed by James Clapper, President
Barack Obama's former director of national intelligence, and John Brennan,
the former director of the CIA.
"... In any event, it was "intercepts" leaked from deep in the bowels of the CIA to the Washington Post and then amplified in a 24/7 campaign by the War Channel (CNN) that brought General Flynn down. ..."
"... But here's the thing. They were aiming at Donald J. Trump. And for all of his puffed up bluster about being the savviest negotiator on the planet, the Donald walked right into their trap, as we shall amplify momentarily. ..."
"... But let's first make the essence of the matter absolutely clear. The whole Flynn imbroglio is not about a violation of the Logan Act owing to the fact that the general engaged in diplomacy as a private citizen. ..."
"... It's about re-litigating the 2016 election based on the hideous lie that Trump stole it with the help of Vladimir Putin. In fact, Nancy Pelosi was quick to say just that: ..."
"... 'The American people deserve to know the full extent of Russia's financial, personal and political grip on President Trump and what that means for our national security,' House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi said in a press release. ..."
"... And Senator Graham, the member of the boobsey twins who ran for President in 2016 while getting a GOP primary vote from virtually nobody, made clear that General Flynn's real sin was a potential peace overture to the Russians: ..."
"... We say good riddance to Flynn, of course, because he was a shrill anti-Iranian warmonger. But let's also not be fooled by the clinical term at the heart of the story. That is, "intercepts" mean that the Deep State taps the phone calls of the President's own closest advisors as a matter of course. ..."
"... As one writer for LawNewz noted regarding acting Attorney General Sally Yates' voyeuristic pre-occupation with Flynn's intercepted conversations, Nixon should be rolling in his grave with envy: ..."
"... Yes, that's the same career apparatchik of the permanent government that Obama left behind to continue the 2016 election by other means. And it's working. The Donald is being rapidly emasculated by the powers that be in the Imperial City due to what can only be described as an audacious and self-evident attack on Trump's Presidency by the Deep State. ..."
"... Indeed, the paper details an apparent effort by Yates to misuse her office to launch a full-scale secret investigation of her political opponents, including 'intercepting calls' of her political adversaries. ..."
"... Yet on the basis of the report's absolutely zero evidence and endless surmise, innuendo and "assessments", the Obama White House imposed another round of its silly school-boy sanctions on a handful of Putin's cronies. ..."
"... Of course, Flynn should have been telling the Russian Ambassador that this nonsense would be soon reversed! ..."
"... But here is the ultimate folly. The mainstream media talking heads are harrumphing loudly about the fact that the very day following Flynn's call -- Vladimir Putin announced that he would not retaliate against the new Obama sanctions as expected; and shortly thereafter, the Donald tweeted that Putin had shown admirable wisdom. ..."
"... That's right. Two reasonably adult statesman undertook what might be called the Christmas Truce of 2016. But like its namesake of 1914 on the bloody no man's land of the western front, the War Party has determined that the truce-makers shall not survive. ..."
General Flynn's tenure in the White House was only slightly longer than that of President-elect
William Henry Harrison in 1841. Actually, with just 24 days in the White House, General Flynn's tenure
fell a tad short of old "Tippecanoe and Tyler Too". General Harrison actually lasted 31 days before
getting felled by pneumonia.
And the circumstances were considerably more benign. It seems that General Harrison had a fondness
for the same "firewater" that agitated the native Americans he slaughtered at the famous battle memorialized
in his campaign slogan. In fact, during the campaign a leading Democrat newspaper skewered the old
general, who at 68 was the oldest US President prior to Ronald Reagan, saying:
Give him a barrel of hard [alcoholic] cider, and a pension of two thousand [dollars] a year
and he will sit the remainder of his days in his log cabin.
That might have been a good idea back then (or even now), but to prove he wasn't infirm, Harrison
gave the longest inaugural address in US history (2 hours) in the midst of seriously inclement weather
wearing neither hat nor coat.
That's how he got pneumonia! Call it foolhardy, but that was nothing compared to that exhibited
by Donald Trump's former national security advisor.
General Flynn got the equivalent of political pneumonia by talking for hours during the transition
to international leaders, including Russia's ambassador to the US, on phone lines which were bugged
by the CIA. Or more accurately, making calls which were "intercepted" by the very same NSA/FBI spy
machinery that monitors every single phone call made in America.
Ironically, we learned what Flynn should have known about the Deep State's plenary surveillance
from Edward Snowden. Alas, Flynn and Trump wanted the latter to be hung in the public square as a
"traitor", but if that's the solution to intelligence community leaks, the Donald is now going to
need his own rope factory to deal with the flood of traitorous disclosures directed against him.
In any event, it was "intercepts" leaked from deep in the bowels of the CIA to the Washington
Post and then amplified in a 24/7 campaign by the War Channel (CNN) that brought General Flynn down.
But here's the thing. They were aiming at Donald J. Trump. And for all of his puffed up bluster
about being the savviest negotiator on the planet, the Donald walked right into their trap, as we
shall amplify momentarily.
But let's first make the essence of the matter absolutely clear. The whole Flynn imbroglio
is not about a violation of the Logan Act owing to the fact that the general engaged in diplomacy
as a private citizen.
It's about re-litigating the 2016 election based on the hideous lie that Trump stole it with
the help of Vladimir Putin. In fact, Nancy Pelosi was quick to say just that:
'The American people deserve to know the full extent of Russia's financial, personal and political
grip on President Trump and what that means for our national security,' House Minority Leader Nancy
Pelosi said in a press release.
Yet, we should rephrase. The re-litigation aspect reaches back to the Republican primaries, too.
The Senate GOP clowns who want a war with practically everybody, John McCain and Lindsey Graham,
are already launching their own investigation from the Senate Armed Services committee.
And Senator Graham, the member of the boobsey twins who ran for President in 2016 while getting
a GOP primary vote from virtually nobody, made clear that General Flynn's real sin was a potential
peace overture to the Russians:
Sen. Lindsey Graham also said he wants an investigation into Flynn's conversations with a Russian
ambassador about sanctions: "I think Congress needs to be informed of what actually Gen. Flynn said
to the Russian ambassador about lifting sanctions," the South Carolina Republican told CNN's Kate
Bolduan on "At This Hour. And I want to know, did Gen. Flynn do this by himself or was he directed
by somebody to do it?"
We say good riddance to Flynn, of course, because he was a shrill anti-Iranian warmonger.
But let's also not be fooled by the clinical term at the heart of the story. That is, "intercepts"
mean that the Deep State taps the phone calls of the President's own closest advisors as a matter
This is the real scandal as Trump himself has rightly asserted. The very idea that the already
announced #1 national security advisor to a President-elect should be subject to old-fashion "bugging,"
albeit with modern day technology, overwhelmingly trumps the utterly specious Logan Act charge at
the center of the case.
As one writer for LawNewz noted regarding acting Attorney General Sally Yates' voyeuristic
pre-occupation with Flynn's intercepted conversations, Nixon should be rolling in his grave with
Now, information leaks that Sally Yates knew about surveillance being conducted against
potential members of the Trump administration, and disclosed that information to others. Even
Richard Nixon didn't use the government agencies themselves to do his black bag surveillance operations.
Sally Yates involvement with this surveillance on American political opponents, and possibly the
leaking related thereto, smacks of a return to Hoover-style tactics. As writers at Bloomberg and
The Week both noted, it wreaks of 'police-state' style tactics. But knowing dear Sally as I do,
it comes as no surprise.
Yes, that's the same career apparatchik of the permanent government that Obama left behind
to continue the 2016 election by other means. And it's working. The Donald is being rapidly emasculated
by the powers that be in the Imperial City due to what can only be described as an audacious and
self-evident attack on Trump's Presidency by the Deep State.
Indeed, it seems that the layers of intrigue have gotten so deep and convoluted that the nominal
leadership of the permanent government machinery has lost track of who is spying on whom. Thus, we
have the following curious utterance by none other than the Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee,
Rep. Devin Nunes:
'I expect for the FBI to tell me what is going on, and they better have a good answer,' he told
The Washington Post. 'The big problem I see here is that you have an American citizen who had his
phone calls recorded.'
Well, yes. That makes 324 million of us, Congressman.
But for crying out loud, surely the oh so self-important chairman of the House intelligence committee
knows that everybody is bugged. But when it reaches the point that the spy state is essentially using
its unconstitutional tools to engage in what amounts to "opposition research" with the aim of election
nullification, then the Imperial City has become a clear and present danger to American democracy
and the liberties of the American people.
As Robert Barnes of LawNewz further explained, Sally Yates, former CIA director John Brennan and
a large slice of the Never Trumper intelligence community were systematically engaged in "opposition
research" during the campaign and the transition:
According to published reports, someone was eavesdropping, and recording, the conversations of
Michael Flynn, while Sally Yates was at the Department of Justice. Sally Yates knew about this eavesdropping,
listened in herself (Pellicano-style for those who remember the infamous LA cases), and reported
what she heard to others. For Yates to have such access means she herself must have been involved
in authorizing its disclosure to political appointees, since she herself is such a political appointee.
What justification was there for an Obama appointee to be spying on the conversations of a future
Consider this little tidbit in
The Washington Post . The paper, which once broke Watergate, is now propagating the benefits
of Watergate-style surveillance in ways that do make Watergate look like a third-rate effort. (With
the) FBI 'routinely' monitoring conversations of Americans...... Yates listened to 'the intercepted
call,' even though Yates knew there was 'little chance' of any credible case being made for prosecution
under a law 'that has never been used in a prosecution.'
And well it hasn't been. After all, the Logan Act was signed by President John Adams in 1799 in
order to punish one of Thomas Jefferson's supporters for having peace discussions with the French
government in Paris. That is, it amounted to pre-litigating the Presidential campaign of 1800 based
on sheer political motivation.
According to the Washington Post itself, that is exactly what Yates and the Obama holdovers did
day and night during the interregnum:
Indeed, the paper details an apparent effort by Yates to misuse her office to launch a full-scale
secret investigation of her political opponents, including 'intercepting calls' of her political
So all of the feigned outrage emanating from Democrats and the Washington establishment about
Team Trump's trafficking with the Russians is a cover story. Surely anyone even vaguely familiar
with recent history would have known there was absolutely nothing illegal or even untoward about
Flynn's post-Christmas conversations with the Russian Ambassador.
Indeed, we recall from personal experience the thrilling moment on inauguration day in January
1981 when word came of the release of the American hostages in Tehran. Let us assure you, that did
not happen by immaculate diplomatic conception -- nor was it a parting gift to the Gipper by the
outgoing Carter Administration.
To the contrary, it was the fruit of secret negotiations with the Iranian government during the
transition by private American citizens. As the history books would have it because it's true, the
leader of that negotiation, in fact, was Ronald Reagan's national security council director-designate,
As the real Washington Post later reported, under the by-line of a real reporter, Bob Woodward:
Reagan campaign aides met in a Washington DC hotel in early October, 1980, with a self-described
'Iranian exile' who offered, on behalf of the Iranian government, to release the hostages to Reagan,
not Carter, in order to ensure Carter's defeat in the November 4, 1980 election.
The American participants were Richard Allen, subsequently Reagan's first national security adviser,
Allen aide Laurence Silberman, and Robert McFarlane, another future national security adviser who
in 1980 was on the staff of Senator John Tower (R-TX).
To this day we have not had occasion to visit our old friend Dick Allen in the US penitentiary
because he's not there; the Logan Act was never invoked in what is surely the most blatant case ever
of citizen diplomacy.
So let's get to the heart of the matter and be done with it. The Obama White House conducted a
sour grapes campaign to delegitimize the election beginning November 9th and it was led by then CIA
Director John Brennan.
That treacherous assault on the core constitutional matter of the election process culminated
in the ridiculous Russian meddling report of the Obama White House in December. The latter, of course,
was issued by serial liar James Clapper, as national intelligence director, and the clueless Democrat
lawyer and bag-man, Jeh Johnson, who had been appointed head of the Homeland Security Department.
Yet on the basis of the report's absolutely zero evidence and endless surmise, innuendo and
"assessments", the Obama White House imposed another round of its silly school-boy sanctions on a
handful of Putin's cronies.
Of course, Flynn should have been telling the Russian Ambassador that this nonsense would
be soon reversed!
But here is the ultimate folly. The mainstream media talking heads are harrumphing loudly
about the fact that the very day following Flynn's call -- Vladimir Putin announced that he would
not retaliate against the new Obama sanctions as expected; and shortly thereafter, the Donald tweeted
that Putin had shown admirable wisdom.
That's right. Two reasonably adult statesman undertook what might be called the Christmas
Truce of 2016. But like its namesake of 1914 on the bloody no man's land of the western front, the
War Party has determined that the truce-makers shall not survive.
We haven't had deep state (successfully) take out a President since JFK. I am sure they will
literally be gunning for Donald Trump! His election screwed up the elite's world order plans ...
poor Soros ... time for him to take a dirt knap!
Be careful Trump! They will try and kill you! The United States government is COMPLETELY corrupt.
Draining the swamp means its either you or they die!
Let us help Trump's presidency to make America (not globalist) great again.
Not only democrats rigged Primary to elect Clinton as presidential candidate last year even
though she has poor judgement (violating government cyber security policy) and is incompetent
(her email server was not secured) when she was the Secretary of State, and was revealed to be
corrupt by Bernie Sanders during the Primary, but also democrats encourage illegal immigration,
discourage work, and "conned" young voters with free college/food/housing/health care/Obama phone.
Democratic government employees/politicians also committed crimes to leak classified information
which caused former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn losing his job and undermined Trump's
However middle/working class used their common senses voting against Clinton last November.
Although I am not a republican and didn't vote in primary but I voted for Trump and those Republicans
who supported Trump in last November since I am not impressed with the "integrity" and "judgement"
of democrats, Anti-Trump protesters, Anti-Trump republicans, and those media who endorsed Clinton
during presidential election and they'll work for globalists, the super rich, who moved jobs/investment
overseas for cheap labor/tax and demanded middle/working class to pay tax to support welfare of
illegal aliens and refugees who will become globalist's illegal voters and anti-Trump protesters.
To prevent/detect voter fraud, "voter ID" and "no mailing ballots" must be enforced to reduce
possible "voter frauds on a massive scale" committed by democratic/republic/independent party
operatives. All the sanctuary counties need to be recounted and voided county votes if recount
fails since the only county which was found to count one vote many times is the only "Sanctuary"
county, Wayne county, in recount states (Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin) last year. The
integrity of voting equipment and voting system need to be tested, protected and audited. There
were no voting equipment stuck to Trump. Yet, many voting equipment were found to switch votes
to Clinton last November. Voter databases need to be kept current. Encourage reporting of "voter
fraud on a massive scale" committed by political party operatives with large reward.
Flynn has been there for several years. If he was such a threat why did they not take action
sooner since Soweeto appointed him in 2012? It must be that Soweto Obama is his spy buddy then,
both of them in league with the Russians since Obama has been with Flynn for a much longer time
he had to know if something was up.
The entire Russian spy story is a complete Fake news rouse.
I am wondering what they'll say tomorrow to draw attention awya form the muslim riots in Sweden.
If the news of Muslim riots in Sweden, then Trump will be even more vindicated and the MSM will
look even more stupid and Fake.
The Deep State has accentually lost control of the Intelligence Community via its Agents /
Operatives & Presstitute Media vehicle's to Gas Light the Masses.
So what Criminals at large Obama, Clapper & Lynch have done 17 days prior to former CEO Criminal
Obama leaving office was to Decentralize & weaken the NSA. As a result, Intel gathering was then
regulated to the other 16 Intel Agencies.
Thus, taking Centuries Old Intelligence based on a vey stringent Centralized British Model,
De Centralized it, filling the remaining 16 Intel Agenices with potential Spies and a Shadow Deep
State Mirror Government.
All controlled from two blocks away at Pure Evil Criminal War Criminal Treasonous at large,
former CEO Obama's Compound / Lair.
It's High Treason being conducted "Hidden In Plain View" by the Deep State.
It's the most Bizzare Transition of Power I've ever witnessed. Unprecedented.
ruse ("a stratagem or trick usually intended to deceive") spiked after the President of
the United States used the word while denying the reports of improper communication between his
campaign and Russian intelligence. The FBI is investigating whether the Trump campaign coordinated
with the Russian government to affect the outcome of the presidential election.
"Russia is a ruse," Mr. Trump said. "I have nothing to do with Russia, haven't made a phone
call to Russia in years."
- cbsnews.com , 16 Feb. 2017
Ruse comes to English from French, in which language it long ago had the meaning of
both "trickery" and "a roundabout path taken by fleeing game." The second of these two definitions
had a brief period of use in English during the 15th century, but is now quite obsolete.
The word is now little used as a hunting term, and primarily is found to refer to some instance
"... Give Putin some credit - he ended the Yeltsin crony capitalism that allowed companies like Yukos to be seized by a small group of Yeltsin's buddies. Of course in ending this reign, it is open question who now owns these rights. These article sheds no light on the real question. ..."
"... After Jeffrey Sachs, Larry Summers, the Harvard boys and your neoliberal friends put the former Soviet Union through shock therapy in the early 1990s, Russia's GDP shrank by 50 percent. No wonder they turned to a strong man authoritarian. ..."
"... US spends $5T breaking up Iraq and Afghanistan under the continuum war party and you pick on Putin! There are no differences among politicians when it comes to filling the pentagon trough, except with Trump wanting to back off war with Putin. Putin a dictator yeah but it is not better that the MIC is dictator for life over US spending. ..."
"... Stop finding strawmen to make war on and deal with the damage already done here, by executives peddling F-35 job programs. ..."
"After 14 years in power of Russia, and the amount of money that the country has made, and
the amount of money that hasn't been spent on schools and roads and hospitals and so on, all that
money is in property, bank -- Swiss bank accounts -- shares, hedge funds, managed for Putin and his
cronies," he added.
Not that Putin couldn't be worth $200 billion. I bet he is. But how did he get this wealth?
Oh yea - those Russian oil companies. That is where Russia's main source of wealth lies.
Putin some credit - he ended the Yeltsin crony capitalism that allowed companies like Yukos to
be seized by a small group of Yeltsin's buddies. Of course in ending this reign, it is open question
who now owns these rights. These article sheds no light on the real question.
After Jeffrey Sachs, Larry Summers, the Harvard boys and your neoliberal friends put the former
Soviet Union through shock therapy in the early 1990s, Russia's GDP shrank by 50 percent.
No wonder they turned to a strong man authoritarian.
US spends $5T breaking up Iraq and Afghanistan under the continuum war party and you pick on Putin!
There are no differences among politicians when it comes to filling the pentagon trough, except
with Trump wanting to back off war with Putin. Putin a dictator yeah but it is not better that the MIC is dictator for life over US spending.
Stop finding strawmen to make war on and deal with the damage already done here, by executives
peddling F-35 job programs.
WASHINGTON - President Trump picked Lt. Gen. H.R.
McMaster, a widely respected military strategist, as his new
national security adviser on Monday, calling him "a man of
tremendous talent and tremendous experience."
Mr. Trump made the announcement at his Mar-a-Lago getaway
in Palm Beach, Fla., where he has been interviewing
candidates to replace Michael T. Flynn, who was forced out
after withholding information from Vice President Mike Pence
about a call with Russia's ambassador.
The choice continued Mr. Trump's reliance on high-ranking
military officers to advise him on national security. Mr.
Flynn was a retired three-star general and Defense Secretary
Jim Mattis is a retired four-star general. His first choice
to replace Mr. Flynn, who turned the job down, and two other
finalists were current or former senior officers as well.
Shortly before announcing his appointment, Mr. Trump wrote
on Twitter: "Meeting with Generals at Mar-a-Lago in Florida.
General McMaster is seen as one of the Army's leading
intellectuals, first making a name for himself with a searing
critique of the Joint Chiefs of Staff for their performance
during the Vietnam War and later criticizing the way
President George W. Bush's administration went to war in
As a commander, he was credited with demonstrating how a
different counterterrorism strategy could defeat insurgents
in Iraq, providing the basis for the change in approach that
Gen. David H. Petraeus adopted to shift momentum in a war
that the United States was on the verge of losing.
"... The revival of nationalism in western Europe, which began in the 1990s, has been associated with increasing support for radical right parties. This column uses trade and election data to show that the radical right gets its biggest electoral boost in regions most exposed to Chinese exports. Within these regions communities vote homogenously, whether individuals work in affected industries or not. ..."
"... "Chinese imports" is only an expression, or correlate, of something else - the neoliberal YOYO principle and breakdown/deliberate destruction of social cohesion ..."
"... As a side effect, this removes the collective identity, and increased tribalism is the compensation - a large part it is an attempt to find/associate with a group identity, which of course gives a large boost to readily available old identities, which were in the past (ab)used by nationalist movements, largely for the same reasons. ..."
The revival of nationalism in western Europe, which began
in the 1990s, has been associated with increasing support for
radical right parties. This column uses trade and election
data to show that the radical right gets its biggest
electoral boost in regions most exposed to Chinese exports.
Within these regions communities vote homogenously, whether
individuals work in affected industries or not.
"Chinese imports" is only an expression, or correlate, of
something else - the neoliberal YOYO principle and
breakdown/deliberate destruction of social cohesion.
side effect, this removes the collective identity, and
increased tribalism is the compensation - a large part it is
an attempt to find/associate with a group identity, which of
course gives a large boost to readily available old
identities, which were in the past (ab)used by nationalist
movements, largely for the same reasons.
It seems to be quite apparent to me that the loss of
national/local identity has not (initially?) promoted
nationalist movements advocating a stronger national identity
narrative, but a "rediscovery" of regional identities - often
based on or similar to the geography of former kingdoms or
principalities prior to national unification, or more local
municipal structures (e.g. local administrations, business,
or interest groups promoting a historical narrative of a
municipal district as the village or small town that it
descended from, etc. - with the associated idyllic elements).
In many cases these historical identity narratives had always
been undercurrents, even when the nation state was strong.
And I mean strong not in the military or executive strength
sense, but accepted as legitimate and representing the
population and its interests.
In these days, national
goverments and institutions (state/parties) have been largely
discredited, not least due to right wing/elite propaganda
(and of course due to observed corruption promoted from the
I'm not sure this answers my question, and it seems to accuse
me of something I have not said or implied (taking treason
lightly) - or perhaps cautioning me against such?
willing to define the terms you are discussing? (Redirecting
me to a google search etc. will not address my question. How
exactly do you define "deep state"? You can quote from the
internet of course.)
From a previous life I know a concept of "a state within
the state" (concretely referring to the East German Stasi and
similar services in other "communist" countries in concept
but only vaguely in the details). That is probably related to
this, but I don't want to base any of this on speculation and
Culprit Behind Flynn Leaks Could Face Onslaught of Legal Troubles
Michael Flynn / AP
BY: Sam Dorman
February 18, 2017 8:07 pm
Whoever leaked intelligence about former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn's conversation
with a Russian official could face decades of jail time if discovered.
Flynn was asked to resign as President Trump's national security adviser after he did not provide
complete information about a phone conversation he had in December with the Russian ambassador to
the U.S. The retired three-star general spoke to the ambassador about U.S. sanctions shortly
after former President Barack Obama announced them.
Trump asked Flynn to step down from his post after it became public that he misled Vice President
Mike Pence about what was discussed in the call.
U.S. intelligence officials had wiretapped the call, but the conversation did not become public
until information on it was leaked to the Washington Post by "current and former U.S. officials,"
leading Trump to call the leakers the real wrongdoers in the situation.
The people behind the leaks violated federal law by disclosing classified information about
Flynn's conversation with the Russian ambassador. That violation alone could put someone in
prison for 10 years, and force them to pay a fine, under the Espionage Act.
Flynn's phone call to the ambassador, in particular, was a form of intelligence that was "highly
classified" because it was wiretapped by U.S. intelligence officials, according to LawNewz.
Federal law could add another 10 years and a fine if the culprit(s) gave away "files" or
"physical materials"regarding the information in question. In such a situation, law 18 U.S.C. §
641 prohibits people from stealing or releasing "any record, voucher, money, or thing of value of
the United States or of any department or agency."
If discovered, those behind the leaks could also face five years in prison for lying about the
incident, either through perjury, "false statements, or covering up material facts in a federal
LawNewz noted, however, that prosecutions involving these types of laws are rare.
I think that "Joel" is some sort of 'bot unleashed on the blog. He parrots the
liberal meme of the hour or day relentlessly. And sprinkles in insults. Any IT pro
worth his salt could easily create "Joel"
February 20, 2017 12:23 am
This press conference was not actually about Trump and his dealings with Russia,
etc. It was, in a very subtle way, about the crisis of neoliberalism as an ideology.
What is really important is that subservient to neoliberals presscorps are now
viewed by large swats of the US population as traitors of the nation. Trump just
reflected this sentiment, sensing it like any good politician. This is a completely
new phenomenon and that spells troubles for neoliberals in the forthcoming elections.
The attempt to stage a color revolution (called Purple revolution by some
observers) against Trump by selective and coordinated leaking of damaging
information, actually might backfire. Actually Flynn was probably a person who
understood the mechanics involved in staging a color revolution and the role leaks
and press play in discrediting selected targets pretty well. So in some way it is
ironic that he fall as a victim of such a standard attack. Flynn downfall of course
is a success for neoliberals, no question about it, but this might be Pyrrhic
When during the press-conference Trump said "How many times do I have to answer
this question But Russia is a ruse." that was all over for the particular
presstitute who asked " Not aware of any contact during the course of the election? "
It is also unclear who will replace Flynn. It may be a person of very similar
convictions, or even more hostile to excessive size, influence and the number of the
Us intelligence agencies, and no less determined to cut them in size and reestablish
the civilian control over those agencies.
Because leakers broke the law, it is important for Trump now that they pay
personal price for this act. If Trump worth to be a President, he now needs to pay
very close attention to the finding of the source(s) of leaks and possible made out
of one of them a good example of what can happen with others, who might entertain
"... Blackmailing Russia can probably be viewed as just an attempt to avoid asking uncomfortable questions (Like who is guilty and who should go to jail ;-) , and to distract the attention from the real problems. As if the return us to the good old Obama days of universal deceit (aka "change we can believe in") , can solve the problems the country faces. ..."
"... As Galbright put it: "People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather than surrender any material part of their advantage." -- John Kenneth Galbraith ..."
"... Neoliberal economists often talk about "flexible labor markets" as desirable but I don't think Krugman ever has. Maybe he has in a roundabout, indirect way. ..."
At risk of being flamed by everybody else with an opinion on this matter, I can see both sides
of the issue:
You are correct if Trump is not selling out to Russia.
You are also correct if (1) Trump *is* selling out to Russia, *AND* (2) his voters were aware
that he is selling out to Russia, but voted for him with eyes wide open on that issue.
In either of those two cases the Intelligence Community leakers are trying to subvert the democratic
will of the people in elected Trump president.
You are wrong if: (1) Trump is selling out to Russia, *AND* (2) his voters did not believe
it when they voted for him. In this case the Intelligence Community leakers, in my opinion, are
Just because the Intellligence Community is not laying the sources of its intelligence out
in the open on the table does not mean that the leakers are wrong. My suspicion is that they are
correct (see, e.g., Josh Marshall today. Google is your friend.) The deeper problem is that I
suspect Trump's voters simply don't care, even if the Intelligence Community is correct.
I did a mini max regret: More regret with Clinton sold out to neoliberal profiteering war mongers
who care only for perpetual war, the max regret I see is unneeded nuclear war over a few hundred
thousand Estonians who hate Russia since the Hanseatic league was suppressed by Ivan the Terrible.
Lesser regret with Trump sold out to Russia* that would only bring China I against both US
and Russia in about 50 years.
*Trump sold to Russia is Clintonista/Stalinist fantasia sold by the yellow press.
I disagree. It is not enough that Trump voters were aware of Trump selling out to Russia and didn't
care; if there had been conclusive proof of that before the election, other people might have
come out to vote against him.
Besides, some of his voters might not care and some might.
In any case, whether the leakers are patriots or traitors does not have to do with subverting
"the will of the people". At the most extreme, leaks could lead to, say, impeachment, which is
another way to express the will of the people. (Or actually, the will of the plutocrats and their
Republican and Democratic running dogs, but that's another discussion).
New Deal democrat and couple of other Hillary enthusiasts here used to sing quite a different
song as for Hillary bathroom email server ;-).
Russia bogeyman (or "ruse" as Trump aptly defined it) is now used to swipe under the carpet
the crisis of neoliberal ideology and the collapse of Democratic Party which is still dominated
by Clinton wing of soft neoliberals). Chickhawks like a couple of people here (for example, im1dc),
are always want to fight another war, but using some other ("less valuable") peoples bodies as
the target of enemy fire.
Democratic Party now is playing an old and very dirty trick called "Catch the thief", when
they are the thief.
Why we are not discussing the key issue: how the redistribution of wealth up during the last
two decades destabilized the country both economically and politically?
Also it is unclear whether a simple, non-painful way out exists, or this is just something
like a pre-collapse stage as happened with Brezhnev socialism in the USSR. The Damocles sword
of "peak/plato oil" hangs over neoliberal globalization. That's an undeniable and a very important
factor. Another ten (or twenty) years of the "secular stagnation", and then what? Can the current
globalized economy function with oil prices above $100 without severe downsizing.
The economic plunder of other countries like the plunder of xUSSR economic space (which helped
to save and return to growth the USA economics in 90th, providing half a billion new customers
and huge space for "dollarization") is no longer possible as there are no any new USSR that can
And "artificial disintegration" of the countries to open them to neoliberal globalization (aka
"controlled chaos") like practiced in Libya and Syria proved to be quite costly and have unforeseen
The forces that ensured Trump victory are forces that understood at least on intuitive level
that huge problems with neoliberalism need something different that kicking the can down the road,
and that Hillary might well means the subsequent economic collapse, or WWIII, or both.
Trump might not have a solution, but he was at least courageous enough to ask uncomfortable
Blackmailing Russia can probably be viewed as just an attempt to avoid asking uncomfortable
questions (Like who is guilty and who should go to jail ;-) , and to distract the attention from
the real problems. As if the return us to the good old Obama days of universal deceit (aka "change
we can believe in") , can solve the problems the country faces.
And when neoliberal presstitutes in MSM now blackmail Trump and try to stage "purple"
color revolution, this might well be a sign of desperation, not strength.
They have no solution for the country problem, they just want to kick the can down the road
and enjoy their privileges while the country burns.
As Galbright put it: "People of privilege will always risk their complete destruction rather
than surrender any material part of their advantage." -- John Kenneth Galbraith
If you are peddling developed land then you want low interest rates for your customers so that
you can get the highest price for your developments. Still there might theoretically be a narrow
channel that your deal might slip through if commercial real estate were for some reason assigned
a lower risk premium than residential, but ordinarily the opposite is true.
A higher percentage of new businesses fail than new households and if more new households fail
then even more new businesses will fail right along with them.
The one possibility for Trump to have it this way would be that he crashes the US economy and
all new commercial development would be for Russian tourist to visit America while either deflation
and depression or Weimar scale inflation was suppressing prices for US goods in real ruble terms.
I expect that if you look at the pre-bellum South, there will be plenty of examples of stagnant
wages, low interest rates...
In Mexico, wages never rose regardless of monetary policy.
The point that I've been making for a while: despite a few progressive economists delusions
for rapid economic growth to tighten wages, it won't happen for the following reasons.
1) most employers will just say 'no,' probably encouraged centrally by the US Chamber of Commerce
and other industry associations. Collusion? You bet.
2) employers will just move jobs abroad, where there's plenty of slack. Flexible labor markets
has been one of the big goals of globalization, promoted by the usual suspects including 'librul'
economists like Krugman.
3) immigration, which will be temporarily constrained as Trump deports people, but will ultimately
be resumed as employers demand cheap, malleable labor.
Fed funds rates were consistently about double the rate of inflation.
The fact that the economy boomed and wages increased was due to the tech boom--an unrepeatable
anomaly. The Fed and Clinton administration unsuccessfully attempted to stifle it with high rates
and budget balancing.
To make sure that wages never rose again, Clinton signed China PNTR, granting China access
to WTO, ushering in the great sucking sound of jobs going to China. Krugman cheered.
Be worried: maybe they can. Since the hounding of Flynn, Trump has joined the
anti-Russia bandwagon, demanding that Russia return to Crimea to Ukraine, and making no
mention of removing sanctions. So all the threats and intimidation from the "intelligence
community" and the MSM
, didn't they? Waiting for Trump to show some
real guts here. Waiting
"... The deep state is running scared! I never+ attribute to coincidence that which is the fbi trampling the bill of rights. It is coincidence the deep state (fbi, nsa, various CIA and DoD spooks) tapped Russia spies who talk to private citizens who have no opportunity at espionage. Then the innuendo is leaked to the Clinton media! ..."
"... Worse on Trump for calling them out for leaking rather than as a civil liberty trampling gestapo. ..."
"... Ben Franklin was right, give the democrat run spooks the power to protect you and you lose liberty and protection! ..."
"I'm a Democrat (and ex-CIA) but the spies plotting
against Trump are out of control"
By Bryan Dean Wright...February 18, 2017...Foxnews.com
..."Multiple reports show that my former colleagues in the
intelligence community have decided that they must leak or
withhold classified information due to unsettling connections
between President Trump and the Russian Government...
Days ago, they delivered their verdict. According to one
intelligence official, the president "will die in jail."..."
The deep state is running scared! I never+ attribute to
coincidence that which is the fbi trampling the bill of
rights. It is coincidence the deep state (fbi, nsa, various CIA
and DoD spooks) tapped Russia spies who talk to private
citizens who have no opportunity at espionage. Then the
innuendo is leaked to the Clinton media!
Worse on Trump for calling them out for leaking rather
than as a civil liberty trampling gestapo.
Ben Franklin was right, give the democrat run spooks the
power to protect you and you lose liberty and protection!
Flynn could have said something
"inappropriate" by a Clintonista definition of "inappropriate", and he "could" be prosecuted
under a law designed to muzzle US citizens, that has never been tried bc a Bill of rights argument
How do you like the NKVD libruls afraid of Trump bringing fascism who were running
a gestapo (the FBI wiring tapping other country's Ministers) on US citizens of the opposing
If the fascists are coming they would keep Obama's FBI!
"... "The Deep State does not consist of the entire government. It is a hybrid of national security and law enforcement agencies: the Department of Defense, the Department of State, the Department of Homeland Security, the Central Intelligence Agency and the Justice Department. I also include the Department of the Treasury because of its jurisdiction over financial flows, its enforcement of international sanctions and its organic symbiosis with Wall Street." ..."
"... "It's agencies like the CIA, the NSA and the other intelligence agencies, that are essentially designed to disseminate disinformation and deceit and propaganda, and have a long history of doing not only that, but also have a long history of the world's worst war crimes, atrocities and death squads." ..."
"... Greenwald asserts the the CIA preferred Clinton because, like the clandestine agency, she supported regime change in Syria. In contrast, Trump dismissed America's practice of nation-building and declined to tow the line on ousting foreign leaders, instead advocating working with Russia to defeat ISIS and other extremist groups. ..."
"... "So, Trump's agenda that he ran on was completely antithetical to what the CIA wanted," Greenwald argued. "Clinton's was exactly what the CIA wanted, and so they were behind her. And so, they've been trying to undermine Trump for many months throughout the election. And now that he won, they are not just undermining him with leaks, but actively subverting him." ..."
"... But on the other hand, the CIA was elected by nobody. They're barely subject to democratic controls at all. And so, to urge that the CIA and the intelligence community empower itself to undermine the elected branches of government is insanity. ..."
"... He also points out the left's hypocrisy in condemning Flynn for lying when James Clapper, Director of National Intelligence during the Obama administration, perpetuated lies without ever being held accountable. ..."
And on the heels of
Dennis Kucinich's warnings , The Intercept's Glenn Greenwald, who opposes Trump for a variety
of reasons, warns that siding with the evidently powerful Deep State in the hopes of undermining
Trump is dangerous.
Carey Wedler notes , Greenwald
asserted in an interview with Democracy Now, published on Thursday, that this boils down to a
fight between the Deep State and the Trump administration.
Though Greenwald has argued the leaks were "wholly justified" in spite of the fact they violated
criminal law, he also questioned the motives behind them.
"It's very possible - I'd say likely - that the motive here was vindictive rather than noble,"
he wrote. "Whatever else is true, this is a case where the intelligence community, through strategic
(and illegal) leaks, destroyed one of its primary adversaries in the Trump White House."
"The Deep State does not consist of the entire government. It is a hybrid of national security
and law enforcement agencies: the Department of Defense, the Department of State, the Department
of Homeland Security, the Central Intelligence Agency and the Justice Department. I also include
the Department of the Treasury because of its jurisdiction over financial flows, its enforcement
of international sanctions and its organic symbiosis with Wall Street."
As Greenwald explained during his interview:
"It's agencies like the CIA, the NSA and the other intelligence agencies, that are essentially
designed to disseminate disinformation and deceit and propaganda, and have a long history of doing
not only that, but also have a long history of the world's worst war crimes, atrocities and death
Greenwald believes this division is a result of the Deep State's disapproval of Trump's foreign
policy and the fact that the intelligence community overwhelmingly supported Hillary Clinton over
Trump because of her hawkish views. Greenwald
noted that Mike Morell, acting CIA chief under Obama, and Michael Hayden, who ran both the CIA
and NSA under George W. Bush, openly spoke out against Trump during the presidential campaign.
Greenwald asserts the the CIA preferred Clinton because, like the clandestine agency, she
supported regime change in Syria. In contrast, Trump dismissed America's practice of nation-building
and declined to tow the line on ousting foreign leaders, instead advocating working with Russia to
defeat ISIS and other extremist groups.
"So, Trump's agenda that he ran on was completely antithetical to what the CIA wanted," Greenwald
argued. "Clinton's was exactly what the CIA wanted, and so they were behind her. And so, they've
been trying to undermine Trump for many months throughout the election. And now that he won, they
are not just undermining him with leaks, but actively subverting him."
"[In] the closing months of the Obama administration, they put together a deal with Russia to
create peace in Syria. A few days later, a military strike in Syria killed a hundred Syrian soldiers
and that ended the agreement. What happened is inside the intelligence and the Pentagon there was
a deliberate effort to sabotage an agreement the White House made."
Greenwald, who opposes Trump for a variety of reasons, warns that siding with the evidently powerful
Deep State in the hopes of undermining Trump is dangerous. "Trump was democratically elected and
is subject to democratic controls, as these courts just demonstrated and as the media is showing,
as citizens are proving," he said, likely alluding to a recent court ruling that nullified Trump's
"But on the other hand, the CIA was elected by nobody. They're barely subject to democratic
controls at all. And so, to urge that the CIA and the intelligence community empower itself to undermine
the elected branches of government is insanity."
He argues that mentality is "a prescription for destroying democracy overnight in the name of
saving it," highlighting that members of both prevailing political parties are praising the Deep
State's audacity in leaking details of Flynn's conversations.
As he wrote in his article, " it's hard to put into words how strange it is to watch the very
same people - from both parties, across the ideological spectrum - who called for the heads of Edward
Snowden, Chelsea Manning, Tom Drake, and so many other Obama-era leakers today heap praise on those
who leaked the highly sensitive, classified SIGINT information that brought down Gen. Flynn."
He also points out the left's hypocrisy in condemning Flynn for lying when James Clapper,
Director of National Intelligence during the Obama administration, perpetuated lies without ever
being held accountable.
"... Pete Hegseth and Jesse Watters discuss the bitter establishment's desperation to manufacture a Trump scandal ..."
"... Most people don't know that after the 134 men died on the Forrestal fire in 1967 McCain was the ONLY person helicoptered off the ship. It was done for his own safety as many on the ship blamed him for causing the fire by "wet" starting his jet causing a plume of fire to shoot out his plane's exhaust and into the plane behind McCain causing the ordnance to cook off on that jet. McCain then panicked and dropped his own bombs onto the deck making matters much worse. McCain should have ended his career in jail. Oh, wait, he kinda did, maybe karma justice? ..."
"... FakeStream Media ..."
"... The very Fake Media has met their match ..."
Pete Hegseth and Jesse Watters discuss the bitter establishment's desperation to manufacture
a Trump scandal
AlvinaRayne 4 hours ago
Trump is AWESOME, BEST THING THAT HAPPENED TO AMERICA!
I wondered what John Wayne would have been like as a president. I have a fair idea now:)
TheBase1aransas 3 minutes ago
Alvina I think people that believe in freedom is not only the Best thing, but what built it.
We finally have Trump to speak for us.
Christine Lesch 4 hours ago
McCains a shumuck
Herbert Stewart 11 minutes ago
I feel sorry for Arizona they are stuck with this guy. he needs to change parties
he had his turn and LOST1 america first!
it appears quite apparent
that you people are really sad. trump is above all else, a good american. so.... stop being a
hexencoff 3 hours ago
no one gives a shit what John McCain says he's a scumbag!
hexencoff 3 hours ago
Jodi Boin i hope so too it's honestly very scary how far we have regressed as a country we are
fighting about the same things from 50 years ago everyone has their own beliefs and opinions and
some how adult conversation has been thrown away i mean we are still fighting over race relations
for crying out loud
Louis John 2 hours ago
McCain is a trouble maker. supporter of the terrorist and warmonger Iraq Libya
Syria he is behind all the trouble scumbag
Gary M 3 hours ago
McCain is a globalist
belaghoulashi 2 hours ago
(edited) McCain has always been full of horseshit. And he has always relied on people calling
him a hero to get away with it. That schtick is old, the man is a monumental failure for this
country, and he needs to have his sorry butt kicked.
ryvr madduck 1 hour ago
Most people don't know that after the 134 men died on the Forrestal fire in 1967 McCain was the
ONLY person helicoptered off the ship. It was done for his own safety as many on the ship blamed
him for causing the fire by "wet" starting his jet causing a plume of fire to shoot out his plane's
exhaust and into the plane behind McCain causing the ordnance to cook off on that jet. McCain
then panicked and dropped his own bombs onto the deck making matters much worse. McCain should
have ended his career in jail. Oh, wait, he kinda did, maybe karma justice?
Michael Cambo 4 hours ago
When you start to drain the swamp, the swamp creatures start to show.
Alexus Highfield 3 hours ago
don't they...they do say shit floats.
Geoffry Allan 41 minutes ago
- Trump has not drained the swamp he has surrounded himself with billionaires in his cabinet who
don't give a damn about the working middle class who struggle e eryday to make a living -
explain to me how he is draining the swamp
tim sparks 3 hours ago
Trump is trying so fucking hard to do a good job for us.
Integrity Truth-seeker 2 hours ago
He is not trying... HE IS DOING IT... Like A Boss. Thank God Mark Taylor Prophecies
2017 the best is yet to come
Jodi Boin 3 hours ago
McCain is a traitor and is bought and paid for by Soros.
Grant Davidson 4 hours ago
Love him or hate him. The guy is a frikkin Genius...
Patrick Reagan 4 hours ago
Michael Cambo 4 hours ago
Very FakeStream Media
aspengold5 4 hours ago
I am so disappointed in McCain.
orlando pablo 4 hours ago
my 401k is keep on going up....thank u mr trump....
Dumbass Libtard 3 hours ago
McCain is not a Republican. He is a loser. Yuge difference.1
Mitchel Colvin 3 hours ago
Shut up McCain! I can't stand this clown anymore! Unfortunately, Arizona re-elected him for six
robert barham 4 hours ago
The very Fake Media has met their match
H My ways of thinking! 3 hours ago
Why does everyone feel that if they don't kiss McCain's ass, they are being un American? Mccain
has sold out to George Soros. He is a piece of shit who is guilty of no less than treason! Look
up the definition for treason if you're in doubt!
Sam Nardo 3 hours ago
(edited) Mc Cain and Graham are two of the best democrats in the GOP. They are called RINOS
kazzicup 3 hours ago
We love and support our President Donald Trump. The media is so dishonest. CNN = Criminal News
Geoffry Allan 34 minutes ago
@kazzicup - yeah if you get rid of the media Trump becomes
a dictator - is that what you want he will censor everything and tell you what he wants - Trump
is still president and he is doing his job and fulfilling his promises even though the media is
there and reporting - so what's the problem - I don't want a got damn dictator running this country
- if you don't like the media then just listen to Trump - 2nd amendment free speech and the right
to bear arms we have to respect it even if we may disagree
Just three weeks into
the Trump presidency, and his political enemies in the Washington establishment
have scored big, with the forced resignation of Trump's National Security advisor
Michael Flynn. The establishment includes state intelligence agencies and aligned
corporate news media, who have been gunning for Trump ever since his shock
election last November.
It's a hugely
damaging blow to the inner circle of the Trump White House. The US media
Flynn's resignation this week had the unmistakable air of victory-crowing. Like
sharks in a pool, they smell blood.
Flynn had to go after
and others reported that he wasn't telling the truth
about phone calls he had been holding with Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak
during the transition to the Trump administration. Flynn hadn't denied the calls
in late December, but he had maintained that the subject of US sanctions on Russia
were not discussed.
Persistently the US
media did not give up on the charges against Flynn, which shows that their
confidence on the subject was underwritten by intelligence sources. Or put another
way, this was an intelligence-led witch-hunt which was based on the illegal
disclosure of private information.
Flynn had told the US
Vice President Mike Pence that sanctions were not discussed and that the
conversation with the Russian diplomat was only about seasonal pleasantries and
making arrangements about a forthcoming phone call between President Trump and
Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin – that call was finally made on January 28.
Pence stood by Flynn
initially, telling media outlets that there was nothing untoward in the phone
Legally, a private US
citizen – which Flynn was at that stage before Trump became inaugurated on January
10 – is not permitted to talk about government policy with a foreign state in a
presumptive official capacity.
Apparently now, as it
turns out, sanctions were discussed between Flynn and Kislyak, according to FBI
investigators and US officials quoted by the
. Russia has
refused to comment on the nature of the phone calls.
What was Flynn
thinking of? At one stage during the Obama administration, he had served as head
of the Defense Intelligence Agency – one of the 16 US federal spy organizations.
It seems incredible that given his expertise in matters of US state surveillance
practice, Flynn could have been so reckless as to hold phone conversations with
Russia's top diplomat in Washington on national security issues outside of his
considering too that Flynn was shortly about to assume office as a senior national
security advisor to the new president, Donald Trump, who was already under intense
media scrutiny over his alleged links to Russia.
Not only hold phone
conversations, but as seems likely, Flynn broached the subject of how US sanctions
levied by Obama might be lifted under the Trump administration. For Flynn not to
realize that every word would be tapped by US intelligence seems an incredible
lapse of judgment on his part.
The suspect phone
contact occurred at the time Obama sanctioned several Russian diplomats over
allegations that Russian hackers had interfered in the presidential elections.
Those allegations of Russian state-sponsored hacking have never been proven.
The way the
tells it, US intelligence officials were surprised when Russian
President Vladimir Putin did not reciprocate with Obama's sanctions announced on
December 29, instead choosing to respond by wishing Americans a Happy Christmas.
According to the
, US intelligence began searching for a possible explanation for Putin's
unexpected response, and they found their putative answer in Flynn's call to the
Russian ambassador. It is claimed that Flynn indicated to the Russian diplomat
that the new sanctions imposed by the outgoing Obama administration would be duly
reversed by Trump.
It seems more
plausible, however, that the US intelligence agents did not engage in some
retrospective random search for a mole, but rather they had Flynn in their sights
all along, having listened into this phone call with the Russian ambassador.
And as the Washington
Post pointedly noted this week, Trump promptly praised Putin for not taking
retaliatory action to Obama's sanctions.
The inference here is
that Flynn was acting as mediator with the Russians under instruction from Trump.
"The current and
former officials said that although they believed that [Vice President] Pence was
misled about the contents of Flynn's communications with the Russian ambassador,
they couldn't rule out that Flynn was acting with the knowledge of others in the
administration had already caused deep consternation among the Washington
establishment of State Department, foreign policy think-tanks,
intelligence-military apparatus and aligned corporate news media. Trump's avowed
intentions of normalizing relations with Russia before and after his election on
November 8 have collided with Washington's long-term geo-strategic agenda of
fomenting hostility with Moscow.
resignation of Michael Flynn, who was an influential advocate in the Trump White
House for normalizing relations with Russia, can be seen as a much-desired blow
against Trump over Russia – inflicted by the US Deep State operatives.
There seems little
doubt that Flynn was set up in a sting operation. The only wonder is that he
seemed to walk right into the trap.
It seems very likely
that having procured Flynn's scalp, the political enemies of Trump will not stop
there. The big prize is Trump himself and his ousting from the presidency through
impeachment on charges of conspiring with an enemy state.
All the hoopla over
Flynn in the US media is just the beginning of a campaign to finger Trump as the
person who gave him clearance to illicitly contact the Russians.
A soft coup against
Trump by the US Deep State has been speculated for some time now, especially over
his "friendly" Russia policy being at odds with the powers-that-be who are
hellbent on hostility towards Moscow. And it seems that incompetence within the
Trump administration is playing straight into that agenda to oust him from the
'Talking with Trump national security adviser Michael
Flynn was one of many ways Moscow tried to get inside
information about America's financial war against the
by Katie Zavadski...02.17.17
"The last major Russian spy arrested on U.S. soil was
busted for seeking the kind of information retired Lt. Gen.
Michael Flynn has been accused of dishing out.
During a White House press conference on Thursday,
President Donald Trump defended Flynn, his former national
security adviser, for talking about U.S. sanctions against
Moscow with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak while Barack
Obama was still in office. It's an act that may have put
Flynn in legal jeopardy; The Washington Post reported
Thursday that Flynn denied to the FBI having such
conversations, despite evidence that he did.
Recently filed court documents show just how important
information about sanctions was to Russian intelligence.
Those documents involve a two-year-old case against Evgeny
Buryakov, a Russian bank employee who admitted to being an
unregistered agent of Russian intelligence in the U.S.
Buryakov pleaded out and the case never went to trial. But
case filings show that the SVR, Russia's foreign intelligence
service, was keenly interested in the U.S. government's
attempts to use financial sanctions to retaliate against
Russian military aggression.
His handlers asked Buryakov to look for information on the
"effects of economic sanctions on our country," according to
court documents, and he complied. The FBI sent an undercover
operative to keep him interested.
In August 2014, an undercover agent showed Buryakov a
document from the Treasury Department marked "Internal
Treasury Use Only," that "contained information regarding
Russian individuals subject to sanctions," according to court
filings. (It's not clear whether the papers in question were
actual internal Treasury Department memos.) Buryakov told the
undercover that he wanted more information.
A few weeks later, the undercover agent and a confidential
source fed him another document, telling him that "the
Treasury Department was using the document in connection with
its deliberations regarding additional sanctions," which
Buryakov promptly fed to his handlers at Russia's foreign
That is exactly the kind of information that would be
useful to foreign spies, said Zachary Goldman, a former
Treasury and Department of Defense official who's now the
executive director of the Center on Law and Security at New
The U.S. authorized sanctions against Russia relating to
its annexation of Crimea in March of 2014 and began a
crackdown against individuals and a Russian bank. In the
period Buryakov was fishing, then, his overseers would have
wanted to know which entities or people would be sanctioned
"In that period, the first half of 2014, the Russian
government was very interested in figuring out what we were
going to do," Goldman said.
When Flynn spoke to Kislyak, the Russian ambassador, in
December 2016, the Russians would've been in much the same
The sanctions announced by the Obama administration that
month exercised a relatively new authority enacted by the
president in April 2015. Obama's order on cyberattacks was
originally in response to Chinese attacks on the private
sector, and later broadened to be applicable to the Russian
attempts to interfere in U.S. elections.
Finding out who was going to be targeted, and what the
policy would be like under the next administration, would
have been a top priority for all actors of Russian
intelligence. They come in various categories: Some, like
Buryakov, conduct espionage in secret while pretending to be
an ordinary employee of a foreign company, while others
construct alternate identities and lay in wait for years. The
third category come here under diplomatic cover, having, in
effect, a dual role as diplomats and spies.
"It seems that the reports are that there was some kind of
suggestion that Flynn gave Kislyak, along the lines of, don't
worry about these sanctions, when we take office, things will
improve significantly," Goldman said. "And undoubtedly,
that's something they would want know."
The point of sanctions is to change another country's
behavior, Goldman added.
"If you were the Russians, you would want to know what the
trigger for new sanctions would be, and what the catalyst for
the removal of sanctions would be," he said. "Whether that's
what Flynn discussed with Kislyak, I have no idea."
Details about the conversations, and whom Flynn misled
about their content, are still emerging. But we know that
when the Obama administration exiled 35 diplomats and shut
down a Russian compound on Long Island, Russian officials
announced they would not be following suit.
At a press conference on Thursday, however, Trump backed
Flynn's right to discuss that matter.
"Very simple. Mike [Flynn] was doing his job," Trump said.
"He was calling countries and his counterparts. So, it
certainly would have been OK with me if he did it.
... ... ...
If so, you are in good company... Don't forget to buy M16,
ammunition and tickets to Syria. We probably will be able to
survive without your posts for some time.
Sunday, February 19, 2017 at 02:58 PM
ilsm said in reply to im1dc...
im1dc, read your 4th amendment, and say wht the FBI etc did
to republicans is okay!
Not only democrats rigged Primary to elect Clinton as
presidential candidate last year even though she has poor
judgement (violating government cyber security policy) and is
incompetent (her email server was not secured) when she was the
Secretary of State, and was revealed to be corrupt by Bernie
Sanders during the Primary, but also democrats encourage illegal
immigration, discourage work, and "conned" young voters with
free college/food/housing/health care/Obama phone. Democrat
government employees/politicians also committed crimes leaking
classified information which caused former National Security
Adviser Michael Flynn losing his job.
However middle/working class used their common senses voting
against Clinton last November. Although I have not been a
republican and didn't vote in primary but I voted for Trump and
those Republicans who supported Trump in last November since I
am not impressed with the "integrity" and "judgement" of
democrats, Anti-Trump protesters, Anti-Trump republicans (such
as McCain who is too old to make a sound judgement), and those
media who donated/endorsed Clinton during presidential election
and they'll work for globalist, the super rich, who moved
jobs/investment overseas for cheap labor/tax and demanded
middle/working class to pay tax to support welfare of illegal
aliens and refugees who will be globalist's illegal voters and
Star Trek...the Borg...Not a huge fan of star trek but the show does reveal
interesting things...the borg, resistance is futile, etc, but it seems as tho
resistance wws not futile, according the the show...the matrix is a good movie
too...too many more to mention. I herd an interview with Robert Steele, very
interesting...any thoughts? I also came across a christian leaning website
who supports Trump, and they are quite smart..trunews.com......not your average
piece of shit evangelist...anyway, thats all I got today...
the thing you are missing is that the evil zio loves chaos... and Mericans are
falling for it... how else will Soros make money without extreme movements....
when there is chaos they buy shit cheap.... Soros is reading these articles and
the more chaos the better for them... when will you learn...
TrumpO the AssClown
is an idiot on his last legs in life. The
stress he has made for himself will only get worse until he is hospitalized
from stress that he is unable to handle. He is looking at a heart attack & CHD
due to being overweight. And judging by his face, and blood pressure problems,
he is in a very stressful situation that he never expected.
I think Trump gets it... the "trump" card is the minimal ties by him to special
interests... notice I said minimal... that said, he's not as beholden as others
before him... take the Boeing deal to provide a new AF1... he bluntly says it's
overpriced, so Boeing reduces price... there is no president being owned by big
biz in this scenario... and the new media fight is being likened to the media
fight of Nixon... Idon't see itt that way... with the advent of numerous
alternative news outlets (where I get mine), it's not the same CBS and Walter
Cronkite or NBC and David Brinkley 6PM news show where most folks were almost
programmed to get any news each day, so it could be tailored to fit a
propaganda lean... the east European and Mideast wars are going to take the
longest to root out the villians, as the MIC will do anything/everything to not
lose one tiny fraction of their power, calling the shots with folks like McCain
and Graham... it's going to take at least a year, possibly two, but I agree
with the author in that if Trump shows his base he's working hard trying to get
the things implemented that he stands for, the Demos are Dead, I tell you, DEAD
the more the swamp is drained... the more Soros laughs... more chaos... more
protests, more anarchy, then killings come, total fucking chaos is the goal...
then the zios can come in and buy it for a song...
fall of USSR made how many
Order out of chaos..... the more chaos - the more hand wringing....they are
excited to get closer to their goal..
Soros would love to be injected with something to make him younger so he can
live to see the collapse of USA, and then come in and snap up all the assets...
it would be better than when snapped up property in hungary for a song...
of course Soros and the lot wanted Hillary to win, so she could further erode
USA, but really they must be pleased with Trump as President, as it appears
they could not have dreamed how much choas a Trump Presidency can bring...
so things are turning out nicely for the zios... maybe even ahead of
schedule with Trump...
now all they have to do is provoke Trump into doing things to stir things
up... should be easy to provoke Trump as he is easily rattled
How can you possibly understand zios such as Soros if you don't think like
I agree. Trump has enemies in the opposition
party that's trying to create a coup d'etat
atmosphere to bring him down. It's blatantly
obvious with the collusion between the news media
and capitol hill members. This is going way
beyond standard politics and Trump needs to treat
them accordingly. I'm not big on conspiracies but
this one slaps you in the face with the evidence.
What Trump did was uncover the deep State by using Flynn as a soldier to ferret-out the deep dark
places....what you are seeing is the enemy being uncovered. Trump made this happen and now you will
see who is in charge....the deep State has now been exposed. We will now see the eradication of this
foul 5th column.
The "neoliberal establishment" (aka Washington Swamp) is deeply unpopular with American people.
Trump is not that popular, but he definitely less unpopular. Such statements s of "the
national media is the enemy" would be unthinkable a decade or two ago.
"... The National Media is the enemy. They are minor birds, repeaters of what the establishment wants parroted. They can no longer be considered American citizen friendly. They are indeed part of the Swamp to be drained. ..."
The National Media is the enemy. They are minor birds, repeaters of what the establishment
wants parroted. They can no longer be considered American citizen friendly. They are indeed part
of the Swamp to be drained.
Like former, despise current president matters not. We are still a nation of laws. The people
have spoken. We want the laws followed period. CNN, MSNBC, and others who continue to go after
our president will be met with an unbridled wave of conservative determination to restore law
"... The neocons and neoliberals want war. The cia/fbi/nsa wants to take away my freedom. The fake news wants to spread lies. This military industrial complex wants to send hundreds of millions to their deaths. As a nation, we are fucked. I'm guessing lots of innocent people are going to be slaughtered in the name of freedom. ..."
A Medical Theory for Donald Trump's Bizarre Behavior ... Many mental health professionals believe the president is ill. But what if the cause is an untreated STD? ... Al Franken recently raised a provocative question about Donald Trump: Is he mentally ill? On HBO's Real Time with Bill Maher last week, the Minnesota senator claimed that some of his Republican colleagues have "great concern about the president's temperament," adding that "there's a range in what they'll say, and some will say that he's not right mentally. And some are harsher." Two days later, he told CNN's Jake Tapper, "We all have this suspicion that-you know, that he's not-he lies a lot And, you know, that is not the norm for a president of the United States, or, actually, for a human being." -
The New Republic
So according to the The New Republic, President Donald Trump may have syphilis and should explore
treatment option as necessary with his personal physician.
He may have contracted it, according to the magazine, in the 1970s of 1980s when syphilis was on
the rise. If he didn't get it treated, it would be far advanced by now.
Advanced syphilis, neurosyphilis, and manifest itself in numerous ways, according to the article.
"Commonly recognized symptoms include irritability, loss of ability to concentrate, delusional thinking,
and grandiosity. Memory, insight, and judgment can become impaired. Insomnia may occur. Visual problems
may develop, including the inability of pupils to react to the light. This, along other ocular pathology,
can result in photophobia, dimming of vision, and squinting. All of these things have been observed
in Trump. Dementia, headaches, gait disturbances. and patchy hair loss can also be seen in later
stages of syphilis."
The neocons and neoliberals want war. The cia/fbi/nsa wants to take away my freedom. The fake news wants to spread lies. This military industrial complex wants to send hundreds of millions to their deaths. As a nation, we are fucked. I'm guessing lots of innocent people are going to be slaughtered in the name of freedom.
Interesting. When Hillary was followed by an ambulance, had crazy eyes, needed to be carried
to her car from time to time, had spasms, was delusional, was irritable, and had a dozen other
symptoms of medical problems, the media whores told us that she had pneumonia for one day. Now
they tell us that someone who puts them in their place is mentally ill. They are digging their
own grave. Soon nobody will believe the retard media.
Hard to believe the New Republic wasn't being satirical with their "syphilis" theory.
It seems that psychiatry wishes to make every personality type a disorder, in an effort to
convince people that their specialty is based on science and perhaps to drum up business, so Trump
has "Narcissistic Personality Disorder".
Narcissim is pretty common in US presidents, and is seen as a positive trait in many respects.
Research has estimated that the average US president's narcissism is about a standard deviation
beyond the average citizen – and even higher than that of the average reality television star.
We also know that narcissism in US presidents is linked to ratings of greatness. Highly narcissistic
presidents like Lyndon Johnson are leaders who make big changes. Less narcissistic presidents
like Jimmy Carter are rated as mediocre (but, in the case of Carter, also regarded as admired
ex-presidents because they are seen as moral and caring).
"... The Washington Post is complicit in a treasonous betrayal of trust by unelected, arrogant and truly dangerous intelligence agents. It is long past due to have a TOTAL house cleaning of these agencies with dire penalties imposed on such malevolent enemies of democracy. If that then includes the Post itself, let the Post clean up its act. ..."
"... The Logan Act (1 Stat. 613, 18 U.S.C. § 953, enacted January 30, 1799) is a United States federal law that details the fine and/or imprisonment of unauthorized citizens who negotiate with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States. ..."
"... This Russian nonsense is not going to fly. Why should anyone believe a word of this story? So what if Flynn discussed sanctions anyway! Who are these traitors in the State Department, and why are they still on the payroll? The majority of the public is not going to buy this nonsense , you are still in denial that you lost the election. ..."
"... This reminds me of Obama getting caught on a hot mic telling the Russian president, "I'll have more flexibility after the election." Signaling that the hardline against Russia would soften if he won reelection. (Clearly a national security issue.) ..."
"... But of course, it's only when the perpetually-outraged left don't like somebody holding different views than them that it becomes a 'dire constitutional crisis.' ..."
"... This is just another Left wing hit job with no real substance, that elevates innuendo and a passing brushed off question to the level of "negotiation". The article uses the requisite obscure language of "officials" who in turn offer little up. This is politics pure and simple. ..."
Note how skillfully NYT presstitutes present Russians as the next incarnation of Satan, contact
with which is prohibited for Christians.
Who are those nine officials... Looks like Jeff Bezos is just a puppet. Taking on Flynn is a
serious game which is far above his head. I do not remember any fuss over Bill
Clinton getting Russian money (really outrageous honorarium for the speech) which if you think about
it is even more clear violation of Logan act.
Didn't Obama do a similar thing before running for election?
From the start, Michael Flynn, a retired army lieutenant general, was a disturbing choice as
President Trump's national security adviser. He is a hothead with extremist views in a critical
job that is supposed to build consensus through thoughtful, prudent decision-making. The choice
is now growing more unnerving every day.
A conspiracy theorist who has stoked dangerous fears about Islam, Mr. Flynn was fired by the
Obama administration as head of the Defense Intelligence Agency and led anti-Hillary Clinton
chants of "lock her up" at the 2016 Republican Convention. He raised eyebrows by cultivating a
mystifyingly cozy relationship with Russia, which the Pentagon considers a major threat.
Now we have learned that in the weeks before the inauguration, Mr. Flynn discussed American
sanctions on Russia, and areas of possible cooperation, with Moscow's ambassador to Washington,
Sergey Kislyak. They spoke a day before President Obama imposed sanctions on Russia for hacking
the Democrats' computers, probably in an effort to sway the election in Mr. Trump's favor.
Mr. Flynn's underhanded, possibly illegal message was that the Obama administration was Russia's
adversary, and that would change under Mr. Trump and that any sanctions could be undone. The
result seems to be that Russia decided not to retaliate with its own sanctions.
We know this not from Mr. Flynn or the administration, but from accounts first provided to
The Washington Post
(aka CIA Pravda)
by nine current and former government
officials who had access to reports from American intelligence and law enforcement agencies that
routinely monitor the communications of Russian diplomats. Bizarrely, Mr. Trump told reporters on
Friday afternoon that he was unaware of the Post report, but would "look into that."
6:01 AM EST
The Washington Post is complicit in a treasonous betrayal of trust by unelected,
arrogant and truly dangerous intelligence agents. It is long past due to have a TOTAL house
cleaning of these agencies with dire penalties imposed on such malevolent enemies of
democracy. If that then includes the Post itself, let the Post clean up its act.
2/14/2017 8:02 PM EST
Who leaked classified telephone intercepts of a foreign diplomat to the Post? Why isn't
that person in jail?
2/14/2017 1:34 PM EST
Flynn would not dare to go ahead with telling Russia not having to worry about sanctions
and that the future would be better with Trump without Trump direction.
So Flynn's resignation is just an appeasement. The real story is Trump relationship with
8:12 AM EST
As though Flynn is just an idiot who would have never suspected the NSA was listening in on
his phone call to ... a Russian Ambassador. Yeah right.
2/14/2017 12:29 AM EST
People make reference to the Logan Act and brushing it off as nothing that will be used
against Flynn. But the law is on the books, regardless. So I gather now we pick and chose
which laws to apply and which not to apply? Am I a bit confused? It was placed as a law for a
good reason, just because no one has ever been prosecuted under this law do we dismiss it as
"old" and pretend it is not there?
The Logan Act (1 Stat. 613, 18 U.S.C. § 953, enacted January 30, 1799) is a United
States federal law that details the fine and/or imprisonment of unauthorized citizens who
negotiate with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States.
intended to prevent the undermining of the government's position.
The Act was passed following George Logan's unauthorized negotiations with France in
1798, and was signed into law by President John Adams on January 30, 1799. The Act was last
amended in 1994, and violation of the Logan Act is a felony.
To date, only one person has ever been indicted for violating the act's provisions.
However, no person has ever been prosecuted for alleged violations of the act.
2/13/2017 3:00 PM EST
Yet ANOTHER fake news story based on "anonymous sources". The media is now nothing
more than a means for distributing rumors, dressed up to look like "news" by labeling the
rumor mongers as "anonymous sources".
, 2/13/2017 2:27 PM EST
This Russian nonsense is not going to fly. Why should anyone believe a word of this
story? So what if Flynn discussed sanctions anyway! Who are these traitors in the State
Department, and why are they still on the payroll? The majority of the public is not going to
buy this nonsense , you are still in denial that you lost the election.
2/13/2017 5:45 PM EST
Looks like a preemptive set up so that Obama's historic legacy-building tough-guy
sanctions, in response to imaginary "election hacking", will not be touched. If anyone dares
question Obama's historic legacy-building tough-guy sanctions, in response to imaginary
"election hacking", then they must be "in cahoots" with those darn Russians who "hacked the
Meanwhile, President Trump continues to do good work for all Americans.
2/13/2017 1:30 PM EST
Americans want to know if kickbacks are/were being offered (by Russians) to Flynn and other
Trump-team members in positions to push for rollback of trade sanctions against Russia.
2/13/2017 1:34 PM EST
"Americans want to know"... you mean like Bill C's "speaking fees" or "donations"
(cough-cough) to the family foundation? LOL!
Funny how the words of anonymous Obama administration "current and former U.S. officials",
apparently fellow Hillary supporters, are treated as unbiased, indisputable and fact.
Laugh out loud at this, it is revealing: "Those officials were already alarmed by what they
saw as a Russian assault on the U.S. election." Just so so you know what planet they are
coming from. Hillary lost. You can't blame it on Russia. Get over it.
In addition to not questioning the words of anonymous Obama administration "current and former
U.S. officials" there appears to be obvious discrimination and bias against the Trump
, 2/13/2017 3:02 AM EST
This is going to turn out to be another nothing-burger. All Trump has to do is wait it out
for any proof to come up, and if it is just unsubstantiated rumors, then to just write it off
as more fake news by frothy Dems ... Regarding Russian "hacking" the election, all Trump has
to do is get Brennan and Clapper on the hot seat, and have them talk for hours and hours about
John Podesta's Gmail password. Then ask "What else?" only to find that Big Ed at RT TV is a
Russian spy!! And so is Tucker Carlson. And probably Mel Gibson too, leading to the conclusion
that the Dems are a bunch of loons. Then ask "Who taught you this?" only to find out that
Obama ordered an in-depth sabotage of the incoming administration
2/12/2017 9:33 PM EST
Didn't Obama do a similar thing before running for election?
, 2/12/2017 3:22 PM EST
Typical Washington Post, running a story without confirmed sources to back up the story.
Just speculation as usual.
2/12/2017 11:42 AM EST
Russia hacked the DNC with Iraq's WMDs...
2/11/2017 3:20 PM EST
This reminds me of Obama getting caught on a hot mic telling the Russian president,
"I'll have more flexibility after the election." Signaling that the hardline against Russia
would soften if he won reelection. (Clearly a national security issue.)
But of course, it's only when the perpetually-outraged left don't like somebody holding
different views than them that it becomes a 'dire constitutional crisis.'
2/11/2017 11:17 AM EST
Approach the logic of the accusation in reverse, any Russian official meeting an American
official will be pressed to finding an opening to discuss sanctions. Any American official
knows a Russian diplomat will bring sanctions up and have a deflection to handle it. This
doesn't represent a "discussion" on a diplomatic level.
This is just another Left wing hit job with no real substance, that elevates innuendo and
a passing brushed off question to the level of "negotiation". The article uses the requisite
obscure language of "officials" who in turn offer little up. This is politics pure and simple.
KingMax, 2/11/2017 11:34 AM EST
He spoke with Kislyak the same day the sanctions were announced and then lied about what
was discussed (oh, right, suddenly "couldn't remember" because, you know, it was over a month
ago). But good job rationalizing his deceit.
JungleTrunks, 2/11/2017 11:50 AM EST
And yours is the typical cry of left wing malcontents that create as much controversy as
you can from what signifies nothing. No reporter ha disclosed what actually was said. It's a
virtual certainty that expected overtures were made, and typical brush off language was
reciprocated. You know nothing but innuendo backed by a desire of extreme prejudice to
prosecute any opportunity to defame anyone in the administration, this much is certain, the
only certainty frankly.
Federal officials who have read the transcript of the call were surprised by Mr. Flynn's
comments, since he would have known that American eavesdroppers closely monitor such calls. They
were even more surprised that Mr. Trump's team publicly denied that the topics of conversation
The call is the latest example of how Mr. Trump's advisers have come under scrutiny from American
counterintelligence officials. The F.B.I. is also investigating Mr. Trump's former campaign
chairman, Paul Manafort; Carter Page, a businessman and former foreign policy adviser to the
campaign; and Roger Stone, a longtime Republican operative.
Prosecutions in these types of cases are rare, and the law is murky, particularly around people
involved in presidential transitions. The officials who had read the transcripts acknowledged
that while the conversation warranted investigation, it was unlikely, by itself, to lead to
charges against a sitting national security adviser.
But, at the very least, openly engaging in policy discussions with a foreign government during a
presidential transition is a remarkable breach of protocol. The norm has been for the
president-elect's team to respect the sitting president, and to limit discussions with foreign
governments to pleasantries. Any policy discussions, even with allies, would ordinarily be kept
as vague as possible.
"It's largely shunned, period. But one cannot rule it out with an ally like the U.K.," said Derek
Chollet, who was part of the Obama transition in 2008 and then served in senior roles at the
State Department, White House and Pentagon.
"But it's way out of bounds when the said country is an adversary, and one that has been
judged to have meddled in the election," he added. "It's just hard to imagine anyone having a
substantive discussion with an adversary, particularly if it's about trying to be reassuring."
Adam Goldman and Michael S. Schmidt contributed reporting.
The globalist mafia is trying to destroy Trump. There might be the same part of intelligence
community which is still loyal to Bill and Hillary Clinton.
Still Flynn discussing sanctions, which could have been a violation of an 18th century
law, the Logan Act, that bars unauthorized citizens from brokering deals with foreign governments
involved in disputes with the United States.
Keith Kellogg links with Oracle my be as asset to Trump team.
As far back as the passage of the Patriot Act after 9/11, civil libertarians worried about
the surveillance state, the Panopticon, the erosion of privacy rights and due process in the name
of national security.
Paranoid fantasies were floated that President George W. Bush was monitoring the library cards
of political dissidents. Civil libertarians hailed NSA contractor Edward Snowden as a hero, or at
least accepted him as a necessary evil, for exposing the extent of Internet surveillance under President
Will civil libertarians now speak up for former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn, whose
career has been destroyed with a barrage of leaked wiretaps? Does anyone care if those leaks were
accurate or legal?
Over the weekend, a few honest observers of the Flynn imbroglio
noted that none of the strategically leaked intercepts of his conversations with Russian Ambassador
Sergey Kislyak proved he actually did anything wrong .
The media fielded accusations that Flynn discussed lifting the Obama administration's sanctions
on Russia – a transgression that would have been a serious violation of pre-inauguration protocol
at best, and a prosecutable offense at worst. Flynn ostensibly sealed his fate by falsely assuring
Vice President Mike Pence he had no such discussions with Kislyak, prompting Pence to issue a robust
defense of Flynn that severely embarrassed Pence in retrospect.
On Tuesday, Eli Lake of
Bloomberg News joined the chorus of skeptics who said the hive of anonymous leakers infesting
the Trump administration never leaked anything that proved Flynn lied to Pence:
He says in his resignation letter that he did not deliberately leave out elements of his conversations
with Ambassador Sergey Kislyak when he recounted them to Vice President Mike Pence. The New York
Times and Washington Post reported that the transcript of the phone call reviewed over the weekend
by the White House could be read different ways. One White House official with knowledge of the
conversations told me that the Russian ambassador raised the sanctions to Flynn and that Flynn
responded that the Trump team would be taking office in a few weeks and would review Russia policy
and sanctions . That's neither illegal nor improper.
Lake also noted that leaks of sensitive national security information, such as the transcripts
of Flynn's phone calls to Kislyak, are extremely rare. In their rush to collect a scalp from
the Trump administration, the media forgot to tell its readers how unusual and alarming the Flynn-quisition
It's very rare that reporters are ever told about government-monitored communications of U.S.
citizens, let alone senior U.S. officials. The last story like this to hit Washington was in 2009
when Jeff Stein, then of CQ, reported on intercepted phone calls between a senior Aipac lobbyist
and Jane Harman, who at the time was a Democratic member of Congress.
Normally intercepts of U.S. officials and citizens are some of the most tightly held government
secrets. This is for good reason. Selectively disclosing details of private conversations monitored
by the FBI or NSA gives the permanent state the power to destroy reputations from the cloak of
anonymity. This is what police states do.
In the past it was considered scandalous for senior U.S. officials to even request the identities
of U.S. officials incidentally monitored by the government (normally they are redacted from intelligence
reports). John Bolton's nomination to be U.S. ambassador to the United Nations was derailed in
2006 after the NSA confirmed he had made 10 such requests when he was Undersecretary of State
for Arms Control in George W. Bush's first term. The fact that the intercepts of Flynn's conversations
with Kislyak appear to have been widely distributed inside the government is a red flag.
While President Trump contemplated Flynn's fate on Monday evening, the
Wall Street Journal suggested: "How about asking if the spooks listening to Mr. Flynn
obeyed the law?" Among the questions the WSJ posed was whether intelligence agents secured proper
FISA court orders for the surveillance of Flynn.
That s the sort of question that convulsed the entire political spectrum, from liberals to libertarians,
after the Snowden revelations. Not long ago, both Democrats and Republicans were deeply concerned
about accountability and procedural integrity for the sprawling surveillance apparatus developed
by our law enforcement and intelligence agencies. Those are among the most serious concerns of the
Information Age, and they should not be cast aside in a mad dash to draw some partisan blood.
There are several theories as to exactly who brought Flynn down and why. Was it an internal White
House power struggle, the work of Obama administration holdovers, or the alligators of the "Deep
State" lunging to take a bite from the president who promised to "drain the swamp?"
Washington Free Beacon has sources who say Flynn's resignation is "the culmination of
a secret, months-long campaign by former Obama administration confidantes to handicap President Donald
Trump's national security apparatus and preserve the nuclear deal with Iran."
Flynn has prominently opposed that deal. According to the Free Beacon, this "small task
force of Obama loyalists" are ready to waylay anyone in the Trump administration who threatens the
Iran deal, their efforts coordinated by the sleazy Obama adviser who boasted of his ability to manipulate
the press by feeding them lies, Ben Rhodes.
Some observers are chucking at the folly of Michael Flynn daring to take on the intelligence community,
and paying the price for his reckless impudence. That is not funny – it is terrifying. In
fact, it is the nightmare of the rogue NSA come to life, the horror story that kept privacy advocates
tossing in their sheets for years.
Michael Flynn was appointed by the duly elected President of the United States. He certainly should
not have been insulated from criticism, but if he was brought down by entrenched, unelected agency
officials, it is nearly a coup – especially if, as Eli Lake worried on Twitter, Flynn's resignation
inspires further attacks with even higher-ranking targets:
Among the many things hideously wrong with this sentiment is that the American people know absolutely
nothing about the leakers who brought Flynn down, and might be lining up their next White House targets
at this very moment. We have no way to evaluate their motives or credibility. We didn't vote for
them, and we will have no opportunity to vote them out of office if we dissent from their agenda.
As mentioned above, we do not know if the material they are leaking is accurate .
Byron York of the Washington Examiner addressed the latter point by calling for full disclosure:
Important that entire transcript of Flynn-Kislyak conversation be released. Leakers have already
cherrypicked. Public needs to see it all.
That is no less important with Flynn's resignation in hand. We still need to know the full story
of his downfall. The American people deserve to know who is assaulting the government they voted
for in 2016. They deserve protection from the next attempt to manipulate our government with cherry
They also deserve some intellectual consistency from those who have long and loudly worried about
the emergence of a surveillance state, and from conservatives who claim to value the rule of law.
Unknown persons with a mysterious agenda just made strategic use of partial information from a surveillance
program of uncertain legality to take out a presidential adviser.
Whether it's an Obama shadow government staging a Beltway insurrection, or Deep State officials
protecting their turf, this is the nightmare scenario of the post-Snowden era or are we not having
that nightmare anymore, if we take partisan pleasure in the outcome?
"... "It's Over Folks" The Neocons & The "Deep State" Have Neutered The Trump Presidency ..."
"... For one thing, Flynn dared the unthinkable: he dared to declare that the bloated US intelligence community had to be reformed. Flynn also tried to subordinate the CIA and the Joint Chiefs to the President via the National Security Council. ..."
"... Put differently, Flynn tried to wrestle the ultimate power and authority from the CIA and the Pentagon and subordinate them back to the White House. ..."
"... Ever since Trump made it to the White House, he has taken blow after blow from the Neocon-run Ziomedia, from Congress, from all the Hollywood doubleplusgoodthinking "stars" and even from European politicians. And Trump took each blow without ever fighting back. Nowhere was his famous "you are fired!" to be seen. But I still had hope. I wanted to hope. I felt that it was my duty to hope. ..."
"... It's over, folks, the deep state has won. From now on, Trump will become the proverbial shabbos-goy , the errand boy of the Israel lobby. Hassan Nasrallah was right when he called him 'an idiot '. ..."
"... The Chinese and Iranian will openly laugh. The Russians won't – they will be polite, they will smile, and try to see if some common sense policies can still be salvaged from this disaster. Some might. But any dream of a partnership between Russia and the United States has died tonight. ..."
"... Trump, for all his faults, did favor the US, as a country, over the global Empire. Trump was also acutely aware that 'more of the same' was not an option. He wanted policies commensurate with the actual capabilities of the USA. With Flynn gone and the Neocons back in full control – this is over. Now we are going to be right back to ideology over reality. ..."
"... I am quite sure that nobody today is celebrating in the Kremlin. Putin, Lavrov and the others surely understand exactly what happened. It is as if Khodorkovsy would have succeeded in breaking Putin in 2003. In fact, I have to credit Russian analysts who for several weeks already have been comparing Trump to Yanukovich, who also was elected by a majority of the people and who failed to show the resolve needed to stop the 'color revolution' started against him. But if Trump is the new Yanukovich, will the US become the next Ukraine? ..."
"... Flynn was very much the cornerstone of the hoped-for Trump foreign policy. There was a real chance that he would reign in the huge, bloated and all-powerful three letter agencies and that he would focus US power against the real enemy of the West: the Wahabis. With Flynn gone, this entire conceptual edifice has now come down. We are going to be left with the likes of Mattis and his anti-Iranian statements. Clowns who only impress other clowns. ..."
Now let's immediately get one thing out of the way: Flynn was hardly a saint or a perfect wise
man who would single handedly saved the world. That he was not.
However, what Flynn was is the cornerstone
of Trump's national security policy . For one thing, Flynn dared the unthinkable: he dared to declare
that the bloated US intelligence community had to be reformed. Flynn also tried to subordinate the
CIA and the Joint Chiefs to the President via the National Security Council.
Put differently, Flynn
tried to wrestle the ultimate power and authority from the CIA and the Pentagon and subordinate them
back to the White House. Flynn also wanted to work with Russia. Not because he was a Russia lover,
the notion of a Director of the DIA as a Putin-fan is ridiculous, but Flynn was rational, he understood
that Russia was no threat to the USA or to Europe and that Russia had the West had common interests.
That is another absolutely unforgivable crimethink in Washington DC.
The Neocon run 'deep state' has now forced Flynn to resign under the idiotic pretext that he had
a telephone conversation, on an open, insecure and clearly monitored, line with the Russian ambassador.
And Trump accepted this resignation.
Ever since Trump made it to the White House, he has taken blow after blow from the Neocon-run
Ziomedia, from Congress, from all the Hollywood doubleplusgoodthinking "stars" and even from European
politicians. And Trump took each blow without ever fighting back. Nowhere was his famous "you are
fired!" to be seen. But I still had hope. I wanted to hope. I felt that it was my duty to hope.
But now Trump has betrayed us all.
Remember how Obama showed his true face when he
hypocritically denounced his friend and pastor Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. ? Today, Trump has shown
us his true face. Instead of refusing Flynn's resignation and instead of firing those who dared cook
up these ridiculous accusations against Flynn, Trump accepted the resignation. This is not only an
act of abject cowardice, it is also an amazingly stupid and self-defeating betrayal because now Trump
will be alone, completely alone, facing the likes of Mattis and Pence – hard Cold Warrior types,
ideological to the core, folks who want war and simply don't care about reality.
Again, Flynn was not my hero. But he was, by all accounts, Trump's hero. And Trump betrayed him.
The consequences of this will be immense. For one thing, Trump is now clearly broken. It took
the 'deep state' only weeks to castrate Trump and to make him bow to the powers that be . Those who
would have stood behind Trump will now feel that he will not stand behind them and they will all
move back away from him. The Neocons will feel elated by the elimination of their worst enemy and
emboldened by this victory they will push on, doubling-down over and over and over again.
It's over, folks, the deep state has won. From now on, Trump will become the proverbial shabbos-goy , the errand boy of the Israel lobby.
Hassan Nasrallah was right when he
called him 'an
The Chinese and Iranian will openly laugh. The Russians won't – they will be polite, they will
smile, and try to see if some common sense policies can still be salvaged from this disaster. Some
might. But any dream of a partnership between Russia and the United States has died tonight.
The EU leaders will, of course, celebrate. Trump was nowhere the scary bogeyman they feared. Turns
out that he is a doormat – very good for the EU.
Where does all this leave us – the millions of anonymous 'deplorables' who try as best we can
to resist imperialism, war, violence and injustice?
I think that we were right in our hopes because that is all we had – hopes. No expectations, just
hopes. But now we objectively have very little reasons left to hope. For one thing, the Washington
'swamp' will not be drained. If anything, the swamp has triumphed. We can only find some degree of
solace in two undeniable facts:
Hillary would have been far worse than any version of a Trump Presidency.
In order to defeat Trump, the US deep state has had to terribly weaken the US and the AngloZionist
Empire. Just like Erdogan' purges have left the Turkish military in shambles, the anti-Trump 'color
revolution' has inflicted terrible damage on the reputation, authority and even credibility of
The first one is obvious. So let me clarify the second one. In their hate-filled rage against
Trump and the American people (aka "the basket of deplorables") the Neocons have had to show they
true face. By their rejection of the outcome of the elections, by their riots, their demonization
of Trump, the Neocons have shown two crucial things: first, that the US democracy is a sad joke and
that they, the Neocons, are an occupation regime which rules against the will of the American people.
In other words, just like Israel, the USA has no legitimacy left. And since, just like Israel, the
USA are unable to frighten their enemies, they are basically left with nothing, no legitimacy, no
ability to coerce. So yes, the Neocons have won. But their victory is removes the last chance for
the US to avoid a collapse.
Trump, for all his faults, did favor the US, as a country, over the global Empire. Trump was also
acutely aware that 'more of the same' was not an option. He wanted policies commensurate with the
actual capabilities of the USA. With Flynn gone and the Neocons back in full control – this is over.
Now we are going to be right back to ideology over reality.
Trump probably could have made America, well, maybe not "great again", but at least stronger,
a major world power which could negotiate and use its leverage to get the best deal possible from
the others. That's over now. With Trump broken, Russia and China will go right back to their pre-Trump
stance: a firm resistance backed by a willingness and capability to confront and defeat the USA at
I am quite sure that nobody today is celebrating in the Kremlin. Putin, Lavrov and the others
surely understand exactly what happened. It is as if Khodorkovsy would have succeeded in breaking
Putin in 2003. In fact, I have to credit Russian analysts who for several weeks already have been
comparing Trump to Yanukovich, who also was elected by a majority of the people and who failed to
show the resolve needed to stop the 'color revolution' started against him. But if Trump is the new
Yanukovich, will the US become the next Ukraine?
Flynn was very much the cornerstone of the hoped-for Trump foreign policy. There was a real chance
that he would reign in the huge, bloated and all-powerful three letter agencies and that he would
focus US power against the real enemy of the West: the Wahabis. With Flynn gone, this entire conceptual
edifice has now come down. We are going to be left with the likes of Mattis and his anti-Iranian
statements. Clowns who only impress other clowns.
Today's Neocon victory is a huge event and it will probably be completely misrepresented by the
official media. Ironically, Trump supporters will also try minimize it all. But the reality is that
barring a most unlikely last-minute miracle, it's over for Trump and the hopes of millions of people
in the USA and the rest of the world who had hoped that the Neocons could be booted out of power
by means of a peaceful election. That is clearly not going to happen.
I see very dark clouds on the horizon.
* * *
UPDATE1 : Just to stress an important point: the disaster is not so much that Flynn is out but
what Trump's caving in to the Neocon tells us about Trump's character (or lack thereof). Ask yourself
– after what happened to Flynn, would you stick your neck out for Trump?
UPDATE2 : Just as predicted – the Neocons are celebrating and, of course, doubling-down:
The entirety of tRump's foreign policy doesn't revolve around Flynn's status.
Has tRump decided to reinstate the TTP and TTIP as "trade" policy goals?
Decided to not renegotiate/pull out of NAFTA and other so-called trade pacts?
Pull back/reconsolidate the Empire of Bases? Attempt to totally disrupt China's
OBOR or Russia's EEU through the use of terrorist proxies as HRC's Neocons
planned? Then there's Flynn's illogical hatred of Iran and the complications
that posed for reestablishing cordial relations with Russia. And those points
are just a few of many.
IMO, Saker and other commentators have reacted in
knee-jerk fashion to Flynn's resignation, for he didn't represent the
be-all/end-all of tRump's foreign policy agenda. I'm far more disturbed by many
of tRump's cabinet choices plus the fact that they were confirmed despite their
lies and criminal actions, which is what's provoked most of the resistance to
the current national government–congress especially.
"... "It is difficult to avoid the impression that Flynn formed his ideas about Iran as a US intelligence officer during the George W. Bush administration's wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. In both of those wars Iran and the US pursued parallel but often conflicting strategies, with both countries seeking the defeat of fundamentalist Sunni Jihadis in Afghanistan and Iraq, but wanting to prevent the other country from emerging the undisputed victor. The result was what might be called 'duplicitous cooperation', with Iran and the US simultaneously working with and against each other in an often totally ruthless and treacherous way. ..."
"... Flynn was as much a warmonger as other Neo-Cons, he was just more focused on Iran and friendlier towards Russia. The next goal in the US grand strategy in the mid-east is Iran though, and as such he was the choice Trump went for when picking him. I think the Saker is overreacting a bit here, maybe he was hoping for more of a change under D Trump, which I never expected, so this early ouster to me is not as shocking as to him. ..."
"... To say the firing of Flynn alone was the breaking point for Trump's administration, vastly over-estimates the president's wilingness or ability to take on the US deep-state. Had he wanted to do so, why pick Pompeo as head of the CIA? Why cosy up to Saudi-Arabia? ..."
"... Anyway, on the grand chess board of things a pawn just tumbled and fell, because the King would not protect him. But it was just a pawn and the pieces will have to keep on moving. ..."
"... As i said it from the beginning, this so called trump hype was way over exaggerated and this wishful thinking of Trump-Putin duo saving the world was ridiculous. Putin's Russia is clearly rejecting the very foundation of what is the current USA, the petro $, so unless Putin was planning to return Russia to it's 90's era Zio-colony, there could never have been a common ground between the two. ..."
"... Besides that there were also other signs like, an ex goldman sachs and soros fund management banker at the head of the secretary treasury, the constant hammering by the media about trump (as contrary to the complete black out on someone like Dr Ron Paul) ..."
"... At last the truth. I was getting fed up with all the Trump fans. He never did anything to deserve the adulation. Since being in the whitehouse it has been a mess. He had not shown any foresight or strategic thinking. Whatever cards he had to play he wasted them l ..."
"... He has employed a whole team of neocons and as for any Russian partnership with the USA this was never ever going to happen – I don't even know why anyone would think so, There are too many differences. As for Flynn he was extremely anti Iranian how is that good for Russia ..."
"... Trump, like Nixon, has awoken the "silent majority" and has done us a great service by attacking political correctness. Trump, like Nixon, had to surround himself with members of the tribe that owns Congress, in order to have a fighting chance of success. Trump, like Nixon will not succeed, because the minefields were laid before he was sworn in. ..."
"... The fact that outsider Trump has: exposed the internationalists, like Soros, for what they are; shown the "Antifa" hatefest to be ridiculously shallow; and, exposed the political activism of the courts; will pay long term dividends for those who oppose the current system. ..."
"... I would not put too much significance to this - Trump was never some kind of knight in shining armor, but just the alternative to Clinton. He may still do a few good things here and there, but the general thrust of his ideology - and yes he not simply transactional, because US realism (realpolitik) in itself is an ideology (at the heart of capitalism and empire, in fact). ..."
"... The deciding reason I voted for Trump is still holding - avoiding nuclear war, and it may yet hold for quite a while despite the neocons, since Clinton is not in the driver's seat. ..."
"... It's a war and when you realize it really is a war, and there is no easy, quick "peace channel" to switch to, you may as well figure you more than likely won't live through this war, so you're already a dead man or woman walking.. ..."
"... There is not a no-fly-zone in Syria, and we are not composed of radioactive ash. That's quite significant. The president is not all together but he is not the raging psychopath Clinton is. Let us be thankful for 'small blessings'. I don't recall anyone promising a rose garden. ..."
"... For those of us with a HCIS (High Cynical Index Syndrome) Trump and his circus clowns were simply a lesser flop than Clinton and her criminal gang. ..."
"... Flynn was already compromised by the very neocon elements of which you write: Michael Ledeen. ..."
"... And I would add, the counter argument to your neutered Trump, although I agree reasonable, is the clear signal that "You're fired!" applies to all and everyone. I doubt Pence is 100% bullet proof, nor beyond sacrifice if needs be. ..."
"... Nasrallah has it right. Trump is a limited character, a one term President at best. Most of us will be only too glad to be fooled again when Ms. Gabbard makes it to position 1 or 2 on the next Democratic Presidential ticket. ..."
"... Trump is the periphery displacing the centre in a Corporate dictatorship, it is the same when the Grand Council of Fascism ousted Mussolini and arrested him, as Trump did to Hillary Clinton's turn, but the real power exerts itself to reverse the decision. ..."
"... Trouble is when giants fight little people get squashed. The empire has been squashing people by the millions for half a century (and before that). So I have indifference as to who gets hurt, I just want it to stop. If the US people are the last victims, then so be it. ..."
"... But we keep calm because we are sure that if amateur analysts could see through the fog of deception, the Russians saw it long before. Be sure that all counter-measures are in place. ..."
"... Can we get some name recognition for the Russians who were comparing Trump to Yanukovich from the start? Who were they? ..."
"... You mean Trump is "White People's Obama" ? ..."
"... It is naive from the get go to think that Trump will undo the Neocons' agenda that started since 911! Trump from the beginning should have made sure the backings of the majority of the American people including the immigrants, remain neutral on Muslim issues, Russia, any policies that the fake liberals would have reason to antagonize him with, in order to minimize protests against him, like the fake Obama and Clintons. Once elected, he could then implement his policies. His administration and presidency campaign may have been sabotaged from the get go so that they have reason to blame him with afterwards. ..."
"... Flynn's departure is probably a sign of things to come: more neo-conservativism, more empire building, and more neoliberalism: back to the Washington Consensus – which never really disappeared. ..."
"... I essentially agree with the premise that the conflict between the Establishment and Trump is basically over Trump being elected as someone who didn't rise through, and was not acculturated in a conventional Establishment political milieu. I further agree that Flynn's resignation represents an important Establishment victory. However, the notion that Donald Trump represented the last chance to avert a major US meltdown, that he aspired to significantly change the path our capitalist system is pursuing, is quite frankly, hyperbole. You endow Donald Trump with undeserved importance. ..."
"... Donald Trump does not represent now, nor did he ever, a challenge to the prevailing neo-liberal system. Even if he had parried Establishment's previous challenges, or goes to ultimately push back successfully against existing and future challenges to his policies, there will not be a historical, significant change to ruling class domestic policies. Any alteration in US foreign policies, would be selective, and would not persist in the long term. Donald Trump, for all his idiosyncrasies, is very much a ruling class individual, possessing ruling class ideology. ..."
"... Folks, think about it, Trump's campaign had a hole in it from the beginning; the contradiction of Russia Vs Israel. The relationship between those two nations is paradox: Russia contradicts what Israel wants in the ME. Trump can't be pro Russia and pro Israel at the same time. ..."
"... The trump regime really should be called the pence regime, since it is obvious now that pence manages it and trump is mostly the "showman" mouth and face. ..."
"... The conversation of flynn and the Russian ambassador being the cause seems to me to be a phony reason. I speculate the real reason is something else. It could be about Russian relations, in which case, maybe flynn was actually more open to warming these, and pence/trump were not (trump having lied). They had a disagreement and flynn left. ..."
"... It is also possible the israelis ordered flynn's resignation for reasons unknown by me. They've done this before, and this whole scenario has a strong deja vu feel. Remember Andrew Young? They got him fired in almost the exact same manner, hyping a conversation he had with a Palestinian in their zio-gay media and forcing carter to fire him. Only in Young's case, mossad spied on him and leaked info about Young's meeting with Palestinians to the zio-gay media. ..."
"... It's just a dispute between 2 factions of the Zionist empire with Trump representing the more cautious faction. ..."
"... I think Flynn was a Trojan horse planted by the neocons himself. His history shows a career full of anti-Iran sentiment and an excessive push for a harsher approach toward that country, I can't seem to see why his removal is necessarily a bad thing ..."
"... What I don't understand is this. We see and read of the power exerted by the liberal/neocon "deep state" and their abilities to disrupt and damage Trump's presidency. But in order to get where he has gotten to today, Trump must have some powerful backers too. So where are these powerful Trump supporters and what are they doing if anything? ..."
I don't hold out much hope that enough people in this country will wake up under any circumstances.
Essay by Caitlin Johnson (Feb 5) on the enjoyment of "liberals" participating in "fear porn"
is interesting in this regard.
Yes well, these aren't people of course but sheeple. They do not count anyway, otherwise they
wouldn't watch JM$M, nor even worry about their totally obvious pack of lies (Caitlin Johnson).
II completely agree with Saker's point 2, which is all there is to it, anyway. I don't see
what is the big deal about this Flynn. He's just a Nazi 'educated' general, not unlike all
the rest of them (otherwise they wouldn't be generals). I only once saw him on RT's SophieCo
and I didn't like him at all. It (the interview) was a meaningless catastrophe actually.
As long as Trump isn't assassinated (or poisoned/disabled) things are going just fine. The
Roth-child mob is certainly trying to do that. It's been these posonous rats' trademark for
centuries. Givi was one of their latest victims.
Another round of suffering is in the near term and beyond which is a continuation of the trajectory
the US has been on since the end of the Cold War. With the start of the previous three US administrations
there was always hope for better but it always ended up worse.
Why should we not expect more millions to suffer and more death and destruction? The US
neocon/neolib ruled Deep State with Wall St and its intelligence agency jackals at it core
want more and will kill and destroy to get it and will continue until they run up against a
brick wall. It is up to the powers in the East, with Russia and China at its core, to stop
the US and its Anglosphere and EU vassals.
All my hopes for the future depend on the Eastern powers standing up to the US. There is
nothing in the West to give me any hope that it can correct itself.
While the US neocon Deep State as revealed itself to intelligent observers (like Saker and
his readers), the US general public is still as clueless as ever, caught in the MSM web of
Bernays-ian duopoly identity politics. No, Pence is looking to be the new Dick Cheney, the power behind the buffoon. That way the
US public will not see his hand manipulating the Trump-puppet.
"Former US National Security Advisor Michael Flynn has made a decision to step down as a
result of a destabilization campaign by the media, intelligence community and the Democratic
party, WikiLeaks said on Tuesday .."
It seems that VP Pence, in league with the deep-state was the driving force behind the Flynn
resignation. Trump made a fatal error in picking a Russophobe neo-con for his Vice President.
It will most likely end destroying him. If you are going to have a "second in command" who
isn't totally loyal to you. At least you pick one you can control. He made the mistake of not
doing that. And unlike others in the regime. Even if Trump wanted to, he can't fire his Vice
President. He was elected to office,at the same time as Trump. So he's stuck with him.
Trump did not select Pence anymore than Reagan selected Bush, who later tried to kill him very
early in his Presidency.
Pence was appointed as an overseer and guarantor of the Necon Deep State interests. If Trump
does not play ball he will be eliminated quicker than you can say JFK. The calls for his assasination
in MSM, couched as 'predictions,' were too frequent to ignore.
I don't think that he did. He had to say that to protect Trump. He "took the bullet". Why would
he lie about a totally benign conversation (had it been something important, an ex-Director
of the DIA and a Russian Ambassador would not have used on open, insecure, line).
No – Trump sacrificed him under political pressure.
My friend I do think this is an overreaction. I will be watching in the next few days to
see if Flynn goes away quietly. Flynn may take a vacation for a while. But when he's back,
probably by the end of March, I expect him to start acting as a Trump surrogate - and going
after his Deep State adversaries with both barrels. Watch for leaks of memos warning John Brennan
about the rise of ISIS in 2014 or that TOW missiles and other US arms sent to 'moderate rebels'
in Syria were flowing to Al Nusra/Qaeda if not ISIS. If there is no pushback or punishment
of the neocons in govmt through firings of WaPost/NYT sources and further exposure of neocon
complicity in the rise of Daesh, and if all the talk of detente with Russia comes to nought
by summer, then I'll agree with this analyses by the Saker.
I do concur that none of this makes much sense unless Flynn was carrying out his boss's
orders to see if he could basically cool off the confrontation Obama was deliberately creating
with the Russians. It is hard to be a patriot who does the right thing and has his name dragged
through the mud for it, but at least Flynn is still young enough to fight back - together with
his son Mike Flynn Jr. who while not the most competent guy seems fiercely loyal to his dad.
The war to root out the neocons is a long one, and requires patience. If Trump is going
to fight back, he needs ammo and allies from within the Deep State prepared to nail some of
their colleagues on their soft coup actions and arming of terrorists, among other things. Putin
had a critical mass of 'siloviki' who were prepared to do what needed to be done. Does Trump?
Remember when Varoufakis stepped aside and then what happened to Syriza. These people take
no prisoners, obey no rule they just apply pressure, there will be no respite they will pick
another and then another. This is the beginning of the final showdown between the corporate
powers and the people, by proxy as a factional war, but the Saker is right they lose everything
in winning the first battle.
Read it in reverse, that is this group the core of US imperialism has had a minor setback
with Trump, they are correcting it, but their blunt force way in which they rule the world
is now applied to the home state (the US). It is like using a sledge hammer to crack an egg,
it works but the results aren't useful.
Trump does not have an organisation behind him, he represents a set of interests larger
than his associates, but together they form a small faction that orbits the core power group.
So Trump has a small tight web which is being pulled apart, and a large popular tendrils from
the base up to his group there is no coordinating centre that links these two.
So Trump is vulnerable and was always vulnerable, he may occasionally act interdependently,
but he does not have a powerful base so he looses, he must lose. That part is Obama part 2.
However, what is incredible is the ineptness and weakness of the 'powerful hub' that has changed
Excessive hegemonic force spends itself by such complete mobilisation, it looses its coordinating
ability by overusing it. People wise up very fast now, illusions simply fall away, The real
fight is now on the schedule, between the people's public interest and cabal of private corporate
If instead of taming or eliminating Trump they used him as a proxy to paper over the big
problem,es and patch up the small ones (Obama could not they owned him too well), then the
regime would last longer, internally strengthen. Some, if not most of what Trump is saying
is not directed at people but at the core power group, he actually is a reformer of their more
daft policies - but they are too corrupt for that they only now know the course they are on
and anything that suggests change is threat to their control - that is weakness and it is showing
The empire is starting to deteriorate internally, the client states are floating away, Australia
is so 'Hillary' bound that there has been a US troop increase in Darwin (doubling thew strength)
and a continued partisanship against Trump politically and in the media -- we have always been
so loyal to every US president until now, and that knot has been severed. This is happening
Internal to the US the last vestige of of connection between the people, which was the presidential
office, and the state has been fatally eroded. Soros has loosed the dogs, and when the participants
sober up, they will not go back to their kennels to be released again - forces are being spent
recklessly. The media whose standing has been low fro a long time, has become a joke that it
cannot recover from, being ridiculed by the public is the last connection (the mainline media
was the church of the modern world - it is no longer).
So regardless of anyone's theory or thoughts, desires or dreams, society, world wide, has
divided into two camps.
The fighting side, the side of apparent strength - "them" - have created "us". The accord
that is civil society has been destroyed by them, we are already in a period of civil war.
We are many but lack coherence, all our power is potential there is nothing that realises it.
Anything they comes up now is new, virginal and can concentrate a lot of latent power. But
this will only come about when the old discords that kept us at each other's throats are allowed
to fade away.
The irony is that Trump was their last best chance.
I agree. Flynn did what all good soldiers do and fell on his sword for the boss.
You have to remember, Flynn probably represented the faction of the elite that wanted to
bring back reality. That elite is still there and Flynn can work with them behind the scenes.
Look at Roger Stone who left the campaign in August and has been working hard behind the
scenes, mostly behind the scenes with the alternative media (infowars) to great effect.
Flynn is a huge loss to Trump and the country. But the battle is not over yet. There were several times during the campaign when I thought
it was over but Trump just kept on winning against impossible odds.
I don't think Trump is tired of winning yet. And don't forget, his support grows a little
It's not at all clear that Flynn's fall is such a great loss: Flynn and the colonels have a
thing for Iran that will do no one any good:
The colonels shaping Trump's Middle East policy
Underneath the drama and chaos of the Donald Trump White House - the rival power centers,
combative press conferences mercilessly mocked on Saturday Night Live, leaked transcripts of
Trump's phone calls to allied leaders, and the often inflammatory tweeter-in-chief, fuming
over the latest perceived insult while watching "Morning Joe" - a cadre of deeply serious,
tested military intellectuals at the National Security Council is shaping Trump's Middle East
Your hopes for the Trump administration were based on sentiment, not on political calculation.
Trump is over his head.
The IMF meets April 21-23 in Wash DC. Quotas are up for review. A fall in the US quota of
https://www.imf.org/external/np/sec/memdir/members.aspx ) below 15% would eliminate the
US veto on major actions that requires an 85% majority. The shake up in confidence in the global
monetary regime should not be underestimated. April may come in like a lamb, but it may not
go out as one.
The Reshetnikov interview is a gem. Thanks for that. Russia appears to be a civilization
pulling itself together and searching for its cultural metaphors, as the man said:
"An Idea is what always wins, and if we do not offer an Idea but are offering just material
values instead, we will only achieve temporary solutions that are essentially failures.
. . .
Attempts at resolving the conflicts among the nations or the states using exclusively economic
methods are doomed, that's is why we are losing."
"It is difficult to avoid the impression that Flynn formed his ideas about Iran as a US
intelligence officer during the George W. Bush administration's wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
In both of those wars Iran and the US pursued parallel but often conflicting strategies, with
both countries seeking the defeat of fundamentalist Sunni Jihadis in Afghanistan and Iraq,
but wanting to prevent the other country from emerging the undisputed victor. The result was
what might be called 'duplicitous cooperation', with Iran and the US simultaneously working
with and against each other in an often totally ruthless and treacherous way.
It is not difficult to see why against this background General Flynn as a front line intelligence
officer might come to see the Iranians as deceitful and treacherous, and conclude that they
can't be trusted, and why he might develop an intense loathing for them. Thus his interview
with Al-Jazeera is peppered with comments like this
'I could go on and on all day about Iran and their behaviour, you know, and their lies,
flat out lies, and then their spewing of constant hatred, no matter whenever they talk.'"
Thank you for this summary Avarachan. Flynn was as much a warmonger as other Neo-Cons, he was
just more focused on Iran and friendlier towards Russia. The next goal in the US grand strategy
in the mid-east is Iran though, and as such he was the choice Trump went for when picking him.
I think the Saker is overreacting a bit here, maybe he was hoping for more of a change under
D Trump, which I never expected, so this early ouster to me is not as shocking as to him.
This doesn't mean there wasn't any infighting in the deep state on organizational matters
and raw power, but foreign policy wise, I doubt this move will much alter the very pre-determined
course of history. Iran has been singled out, Ryan used the term 'You have been put on notice',
after a completely legal missile launch by Teheran and Trump's rhetoric with his Tweets towards
Teheran are saying as much. I don't get why anyone can't see that. To say the firing of Flynn
alone was the breaking point for Trump's administration, vastly over-estimates the president's wilingness or ability to take on the US deep-state. Had he wanted to do so, why pick Pompeo
as head of the CIA? Why cosy up to Saudi-Arabia?
Anyway, on the grand chess board of things a pawn just tumbled and fell, because the King
would not protect him. But it was just a pawn and the pieces will have to keep on moving.
As i said it from the beginning, this so called trump hype was way over exaggerated and this
wishful thinking of Trump-Putin duo saving the world was ridiculous. Putin's Russia is clearly rejecting the very foundation of what is the current USA, the
petro $, so unless Putin was planning to return Russia to it's 90's era Zio-colony, there could
never have been a common ground between the two.
Besides that there were also other signs like, an ex goldman sachs and soros fund management
banker at the head of the secretary treasury, the constant hammering by the media about trump
(as contrary to the complete black out on someone like Dr Ron Paul)
Clearly this is a "non événement" and just another nail in the US coffin.
At last the truth.
I was getting fed up with all the Trump fans. He never did anything to deserve the adulation. Since being in the whitehouse it has been a mess. He had not shown any foresight or strategic
thinking. Whatever cards he had to play he wasted them l
He has employed a whole team of neocons and as for any Russian partnership with the USA
this was never ever going to happen – I don't even know why anyone would think so, There are too many differences. As for Flynn he was extremely anti Iranian how is that good for Russia
Trump, like Nixon, has awoken the "silent majority" and has done us a great service by attacking
Trump, like Nixon, had to surround himself with members of the tribe that owns Congress, in
order to have a fighting chance of success. Trump, like Nixon will not succeed, because the
minefields were laid before he was sworn in.
The fact that outsider Trump has: exposed the internationalists, like Soros, for what they
are; shown the "Antifa" hatefest to be ridiculously shallow; and, exposed the political activism
of the courts; will pay long term dividends for those who oppose the current system.
My late Vietnam vet cousin predicted another revolution, but not in his lifetime. More of this
treachery will only build the pyre waiting for a spark.
I would not put too much significance to this - Trump was never some kind of knight in shining
armor, but just the alternative to Clinton. He may still do a few good things here and there,
but the general thrust of his ideology - and yes he not simply transactional, because US realism
(realpolitik) in itself is an ideology (at the heart of capitalism and empire, in fact).
As for the neocons, one might recall the advice (Sun Tzu?) that one should never intervene
when the enemy is making a mistake. The deciding reason I voted for Trump is still holding
- avoiding nuclear war, and it may yet hold for quite a while despite the neocons, since Clinton
is not in the driver's seat.
As for the economy, Trump, overall, will still bring it down, if simply by not averting
the previously scheduled meltdown, with further deregulation, corporate tax cuts, hand-outs
to the rich, destruction of social welfare, and so on.
It is not so much that it is over as that it was never really there, except as a very remote
dream. This is just shifting another deck chair as we hit the iceberg, and all the great forces
are still in play, albeit with the Clinton monster exorcised and sporting a necklace of garlic.
The situation itself has improved, however, with Trump winning, and with more people more awake
than ever in the last century. A lot more people can now see the iceberg.
Nice metaphors, blue! One after the other.
And many cool under pressure comments I have read in this thread. That's comforting. I can turn in and sleep soundly. I'm not joking. It's a war and when you realize it really is a war, and there is no easy, quick "peace channel"
to switch to, you may as well figure you more than likely won't live through this war, so you're
already a dead man or woman walking..
And just count your blessings if your grim assessment is wrong.
Can we have some some sense analysis now based on what is happening not what people want to
1. Ukraine escalation
2. NATO on Russia's borders
3. Exercises in the black sea
4. Anti Iranian rhetoric and sanctions
5. The smearing of Syrian govt by amnesty international
6. Unrest in Iraq – what is going on geolpolitical impact
7. Afghanistan – smearing or Russia
There is a whole list of issues that will impact Russia now can we talk about them instead
The environment around Russia has not improved and is set to get worse –
Russia would be stupid to have relaxed its guard.
They need to behave as if Hillary was elected
There is not a no-fly-zone in Syria, and we are not composed of radioactive ash. That's quite
significant. The president is not all together but he is not the raging psychopath Clinton
is. Let us be thankful for 'small blessings'. I don't recall anyone promising a rose garden.
So pleased to find this commentary here after having felt pretty sick about this development
ever since it was reported tonight. Very grim. Have always thought that Trump did not pick
the right close advisors in the beginning to protect him in what they had to know was going
to get ugly. Agree wholeheartedly with your assessment. I got nowhere earlier tonight trying
to explain my similar take to a few friends and family members. Nothing is going to save the
US from its fate in the 11th hour. I find myself sometimes thinking that the collective psyche
in this country actually years for its own destruction.
That may be, but they were on the receiving of vast pots of excess USD courtesy of Kissingers'
creation of the USD monopoly over oil pricing/sales. A cynic would suggest that the subsequent
rise of extremist jihadis was forseen and deemed to be useful for the US/Anglo-Zionist Deep
Just to give everyone a laugh. It seems that 250 of the most experienced Ukraine ATO forces
have been sent to the Congo – to act as peacekeepers! Orwell is not only turning over in his
grave, he is spinning sufficiently rapidly to give us free unlimited energy if we could only
"Orwell is not only turning over in his grave, he is spinning sufficiently rapidly to give
us free unlimited energy if we could only harness it."
Thank you sir, best comment of the year. :)
Yes my friends, this is a war and it's gonna get ugly.
Things are not moving in the right direction.
Israel is also created by the west. The only enemy of the "west" is anybody that opposes them.
See Iran, China, Russia, etc. Now enemies of the people, not crooked govs, is a different story.
My enemy is NOT Russia, China, Iran but the Zionist and wahabis.
From what I read Trump was mad at Flynn for two reasons. First he thinks in retrospect that
the immigration ban he was pushed to sign by his advisors was a botched legal job. I guess
that includes Flynn. Second it seems Flynn did lie to Trump about this, and I can't see this
flyîg with Trump.
Key Trump assets are hiring/firing and negociating. Maybe Flynn wasn't up for the job. I'll
wait to see who he picks instead before making any call.
"I'll wait to see who he picks instead before making any call."
Exactly. The Saker is normally 'strategically' a few days/weeks late on response to tectonic shifts
here he seems disappointed and early. For those of us with a HCIS (High Cynical Index Syndrome) Trump and his circus clowns were
simply a lesser flop than Clinton and her criminal gang.
Different finger puppets in the kid's burger: same business hand on the till(er), imo.
Happy to disagree with Saker this time – Trump is, thus far, a proven entity. He replaced his
campaign director in his " hopeless " campaign with just 4 months left to election day with
Bannon and Conway and they knocked it out of the park. Trump has a good eye for talent and I am almost sure he'll find someone like-minded as Kelly
in relatively short order.
The good captain is revealed in the storm. Trump will do what he can. It's up to us to set
our jaws and move forward. OK – the deep state has declared war; Molon Labe.
Hi Peter, I'm glad to find you here again. Regarding the hearings, I have watched them also,
my first impression was that they were like some Gestapo hearings in the Third Reich times.
And as you said, everyone had to say something to satisfy the Committee in order to get their
approval. Actually, all of them have been cornered.
Flynn was already compromised by the very neocon elements of which you write: Michael Ledeen.
Also, Flynn isn't the only one who can serve unflinchingly in this position. But, the Trump
team will have to look beyond the tight circle of ideologues with no governance experience
in order to find a suitable replacement. And yes, I do have some suggestions.
I have a feeling all that anti-Iran rhetoric, like the anti-Russia rhetoric by all of Trump's
candidates in their hearings (that Trump claimed was just them speaking their own mind, irrespective
of his expressed core views), is for getting Trump's team in place without too much resistance
by his own Republicans who are, after all, sworn to the neocon/Zionist order. (Who would know
that better than you, Dr McKinney?}
That means Flynn's participation in the book coauthored
with Ledeen was perhaps a ruse. Sure, he could subscribe to the theoretical part that condemns
Wahhabism in support of traditional Islam (as Ledeen, the neocon, would pretend to do, to look
human). But the operative part took issue with not just Iran but also with Russia for their
supposed support to 'terrorism'. So it looks like the whole thing was for show. Trump could
have stuck it out with support for Flynn. I think there might have been other considerations.
(Flynn's son was earlier an embarrassment with his pursuit of Pizzagate.) If the Saker has
privileged knowledge about the critical and indispensable role of Flynn, now is the time to
come out with it.
As I expressed under Redford (February 14, 2017 at 8:56 am UTC) I'll wait to see the next move.
However, if as the Saker implies, Flynn was a key knight on Trump's board then perhaps he
now has other 'duties' and freedoms to work across certain lines. Russians leaving the military
to 'free lance' in the south east corners of the Ukraine come to mind.
In any case, one step back is sometimes a strategic move for another day. And if such a
screw up then why isn't John F. Tefft taking some heat for letting the trap be set?
Trump is muddling along and his approach (so far) reminds me of Deng Xiaoping's "crossing
the river by feeling the stones" analogy.
The task of reforming the corrupt and evil saturated DC swamp can't be any less complicated
than transforming China out of state communism.
I suspect Putin et al are just shrugging their shoulders and knocking another green bottle
of the wall.
And I would add, the counter argument to your neutered Trump, although I agree reasonable,
is the clear signal that "You're fired!" applies to all and everyone. I doubt Pence is 100%
bullet proof, nor beyond sacrifice if needs be.
REMINDER "The dangerous deception called the Trump presidency."
"I state clearly my conviction, and please recall this as Trump Presidency policies unfold
after January 20, 2017 to see if I am correct or not: Donald Trump was put into office to prepare
America for war, a war the banks of Wall Street and the US military industrial complex are
not presently in a position economically or industrially or otherwise, geopolitically, to win.
His job will be to reposition the United States for them to reverse the trend to disintegration
of American global hegemony, to, as the Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz Project for the New American
Century put it in their September, 2000 report, "rebuild America's defenses." " (F. William
No all empires fall from Rome to Spain to England and we are in the final days of the empire,
bankrupt with a stagnant GDP and a 100,000,000 unemployed and poverty on the rise.
For the first time since 1960 I didn't bother to vote for the country is not governed by those
we elect, but those in the shadows that pull the string's as Chalmers Johnson said in his last
book in the series" Dismantling The Empire" that it was "Americas Last Best Hope", and I agree
with the Saker that hope is gone and its going to be a very long rough ride to the bottom with
wars and rumors of war
Thanks for the great post Mr Saker, insightful as always. Being of Serbian descent I never
had a real interest in US politics as nothing would change when it came to our political interests,
be they historically or morally correct.
Naturally I despised the Bushes, especially the Clintons and like many supported Trump despite
never truly believing he would succeed. We truly are in a historical moment in time and I share
your thoughts regarding the "Color Revolution" currently under way in the US.
It appears the powers that be are positioning themselves to remove him from office and I
sadly predict that President Trump will lose out to the establishment who are hell bent to
see his agenda destroyed!
My optimism that President Trump would bring about true change has been shattered by his
somewhat reluctance to challenge those enemies within his own "party" and administration.
Sadly I only see this going one way and that is with President Trump walking away from this
position in the foreseeable future as it is obvious the enemies abroad and within are determined
to see him removed. He's clearly over his head and the establishment would happily see VP Pence
and the Republican trash continue the neocon agenda and ultimately draw us that step closer
to war and destruction.
I never thought I would share the sympathies with the American people but the recent elections
have demonstrated clearly to the world that despite all the posturing and illusions, the US
is far from being a beacon of hope, freedom and prosperity. I truly believe President Trump
genuinely wishes to "MAGA" but the opposition is too strong and with Flynn's resignation it's
clear his team are working covertly to sabotage his presidency.
For the sake of world peace I pray that President Trump succeeds but my heart tells me he
will falter and step aside allowing the enemy to continue to policies of death, suffering and
enslavement of the American people.
In finishing I share your views regarding the unfolding developments and wish you and your
family safety and continued success with the site. My apologies for the long post
Trump was brought in to trigger the world wide financial collapse and start war. Earlier Obama
was brought in to the chant Hope and Change.
I would give it a maximum of 4 months time before the earth caves in.
Well you're right about almost everything here Saker.
One slight quibble, I suggest Trump has always been setup man for a long planned US colour
revolution, though I am fairly certain he was personally unaware of it, just as he was unaware
he would win the election.
Nasrallah has it right. Trump is a limited character, a one term President at best. Most
of us will be only too glad to be fooled again when Ms. Gabbard makes it to position 1 or 2
on the next Democratic Presidential ticket.
Democracy has always been a cloak for the oligarchy.
I always knew that hopes in Trump are baseless. I am actually happy about development, we already
reach point where the war is the only escape, there's no other way around. It does NOT mean
we gonna have a nuclear war, Hitler could use chemical warfare during battle for Stalingrad.
He didn't use it., so neocons will not dare either, and if they do, well, a new beginning.
Well, Stalin, I confess I did have hope and still have some till Trump will meet Putin personally.
(a few days ago, Putin said that he would meet Trump in Slovenia – that made to have some bad
If nothing positive comes out, then the war shall solve all the problems (as continuation of
policy with other means )
I guess you heard that picture of Russian ambassador's assassination won World Press Photo
Disgrace!, they deserve the war. They are spoil brats, they will cry like little children.
After all is done we send Chechen to clean the swamps.
Trump is the periphery displacing the centre in a Corporate dictatorship, it is the same
when the Grand Council of Fascism ousted Mussolini and arrested him, as Trump did to Hillary
Clinton's turn, but the real power exerts itself to reverse the decision.
Trump appeases because that is all that is allowed him, his victory was measured in days,
and so perhaps was Obama's. Probably there have been direct threats, this is common when anybody
steps out of line with the empire, blackmail (based on real or fictitious evidence is also
common), and bribes - these are not alternatives they come all at once. Being threatened, blackmailed
and bribed is a common enough gangster's tactic. Then of course there are the favours, the
often fake evidence of misdeeds done by the closet allies, who ride to the rescue their own
fifth column having prepared the way for them. None of this excuses Trump, he uses similar
but milder tactics.
The weakness is leadership, relying on it, the saviour complex, that somehow someone will
blaze the way forward and change things for us, the beaten and oppressed. It is not happening,
either we take the initiative or we fix up the mess once the whole thing has exploded - we
get all the danger and all the work no matter what.
I am an Australian, my country has been run by yours since 1975 after we enjoyed three years
of Independence from the US and Britain, after '75 we got US gangster-ism - no velvet glove.
so my point of view is so-long as the empire collapses all is well. Trump was a faction, there
is civil war in the US between the big and little barons. Let both destroy each other.
Trouble is when giants fight little people get squashed. The empire has been squashing people
by the millions for half a century (and before that). So I have indifference as to who gets
hurt, I just want it to stop. If the US people are the last victims, then so be it.
The alternative is that the people of the US do everyone a favour including themselves and
take these fascists out. I use the term in its exact meaning as corporatism (where corporations
and the state become a joint enterprise, fostering a class of managers in its wake). I also
acknowledge something very few here have heard - this includes social fascists.
Back in the thirties there were right wing fascists and also left wing 'social' fascists,
you might recognise this in George Orwell's 1984. The fact is the liberals (social fascists
par excellence) have buried this, while the militant right wing fascists have been distanced
from brethren by being described as Nazis. Neo-Nazis are detestable, but strangely enough are
not actually fascists so much as criminal gangs (there is a difference).
Left and right don't make much sense when the enemy has its own left and right. So there
are the corporatists (fascists ) and us, the people.
So without leaders the people need to push and push hard, otherwise the next lot of cannon
fodder will be you, not the client states, but the home state of ultra-imperialism. You do
the world a favour by doing yourself a favour.
My suggestion is open rebellion means unsuccessful slaughter, guns are not going to work.
The common weapon sounds like a joke, and it is a joke as it now stands - the Law. Make the
corporates subject to the law. And the first effort is not the corporates, but the judges -
the judicial system needs to be purged first, and from the bottom up.
Look for corruption, look for tax evasion, conflicts of interests anything that should qualify
a judgement for acting in the people's interest and get rid of them. Never mind their sex lives,
or opinions, just whether they would be fit to judge cases of corporate fraud, tax fraud, misappropriations
of funds, running corporations against the interests of shareholder dividend payout, corruption
Start the pressure locally, start with the local collaborators, ignore the higher ups, get
to them later. If you are right work with lefties if you're a lefty work with right-wingers,
work across the spectrum, but get the judges on the people's side by getting rid of the others
- not issue based politics, but on facts, those that hobnob with the local bigwigs instead
of the people, of belonging to a club where where business does private deals.
Start doing the little things that will make local self-organisation possible and the key
is not the police, not the politicians, but the judiciary. Gather evidence, and when it sufficient
make it public and demand legal remedies, and if none come, then some direct action.
Your recommendations in the last para are wise. Unfortunately, Trump & team lack the required
skill, and they thought they should go for the CIA first. So not, there they are: le bec dans
l'eau as the French say
RMM thanks. Trump could never provide what is needed. My view is that getting things right
comes after getting rid of what is wrong. even if Trump was perfect with the perfect team and
large coordinated popular support, he could not get things right, because of the attrition
of the corrupt, and if these are 'fixed' politically rather than legally society suffers. New
laws are basically a political fix.
Redeploying existing laws, applying them to corporate entities and gaoling offenders is
how a civil society works. First reform the lower judiciary, they will deal with rather small
corporate misdeeds, but they will arrest criminals, who will be systematically let off by higher
courts, which makes them the target for coordinated reform.
The elimination of corrupt judiciary, the promotion of honest magistrates creates a dual
power in the modern world, the old way was to organise force for a showdown, I am suggesting
winning a war of attrition, not movement - they are weak there, anything else will be brutally
I feel terribly ill this morning. It's a disaster. Especially when I read, with horror,
that Trump consider . PETRAEUS(!!!!!!!!) for the job!! It's amazing.
Why not Nuland or Kagan as State Secretary and Breedlove as Defens Secretary?
And what's about Bannon? I can't imagine that and Trump and Bannon are both totaly stupid
Engdhal and Brandon Smith, for month and month warn that Trump is a fake from head to toes.
Are they right.
If it is, we'll soon see new tension with Russia and especially in Donbass. And if it's true,
we'll see mainstream medias becoming very nice indulgent with Trump. Then, all the "liberals"
and "progressists" who are shouting everywere again "Trump the fascist" will soon realise they're
cuckold, the medias batteries will now turn against them and they will very soon test what
is the true fascism.
It's a tragedy.
If Trump is sincere, without Flynn to protect him against the services, he's dead.
If Trump is a fake
Trump is the perfect President for America – ignorant, arrogant and lost – but sensing that
something is not right. I am at peace since my father always told me: "Remember, even the best
of them are snakes."
Saker's frustration is understandable. Seeing your hopes dashed is always painful. But the
few Cassandras (yours truly among them) who had no hope whatsoever that anything good can possibly
come out from making "America great again" kept their calm. We took the cold shower and puked
in advance. 'We told you so' and in no uncertain terms:
William Engdahl ("The Dangerous Deception Called The Trump Presidency"):
"The project called the Trump Presidency has just two months before its formal beginning. Yet
already the hopes and fantasies of much of the world are making him into something and someone
Donald Trump most definitely is not. Donald Trump is yet another project of the same boring
old patriarchs who try again and again to create a one world order that they control absolutely,
a New World Order that one close Trump backer once referred to as universal fascism. Ignore
the sometimes fine rhetoric in some of his speeches. Talk is cheap. If we consider rather the
agenda that's taking form even in these very early days of cabinet naming, we can see that
Donald Trump is the same agenda of war and global empire as Obama, as Bush before him, as Bill
Clinton and Clinton's "tutor", George H.W. Bush before him. There is no good side to what the
world is about to experience with President Trump."
And people refuse to see the elephant trumping through the rooms of the Trump Tower (and
now of the White House), blinded by the 'glamour' of Ivanka or the 'Sois belle et tais-toi'
Melanie (excuse my French).
But we keep calm because we are sure that if amateur analysts could see through the fog
of deception, the Russians saw it long before. Be sure that all counter-measures are in place.
Remember that Trump has still plenty of options left. The fate of the US or, for that matter,
of the world does not depend on mr Flynn whose judgement has shown so wanting that he would
not have been the person to take down the bad elements among CIA et al anyhow. I trust in Trump's
fighting spirit and resilience, and I expect general Flynn's resignation just to be a jump
start to take on neocon elements in US governement and intelligence community seriously and,
this time, hard and harsh. With whom in the lead, I don't know, but remember that the US is
a vast country with lots of folk competent and willing to accept the job of draining the intelligence
part of the swamp.
Even though I respect The Saker's opinion to a very high degree, I will have to disagree with
some of the assertions made here.
But first of all, allow me to begin with what I agree with. This is no doubt a major victory
for the neocons, the Deep State and the EU. This is a loss for Russia and the USA.
But, I'm not sure that Trump is done and dusted. From what I realize, Flynn did in fact
breach protocol and the Deep State found a perfect opportunity to go on the offensive. It's
still within Trump's power to appoint one of his own to replace Flynn. We'll see.
But my main disagreement with The Saker is this. Trump (and his backers, themselves a minority
within the Deep State) is not interested in cutting a deal with Russia due to any concerns
about Wahabism, the neocons or any other such. Trump's reason for wanting to withdraw the US
from the NATO-GCC-ISR attack on Russia, was because he wanted to divert US power and energies
against China and Iran. Trump also believes that the US is not getting anything out of its
unconditional support for the EU and wanted to rearrange America's posture.
The neocons, neoliberals and Eurocrats who oppose Trump so vehemently, believe that the
EU project is sacrosanct (because it weakens and undermines Russia) that Iran should be brought
on their side and used against Russia (only the most Zio-fanatics are not find of this proposition)
and that China can only be faced down after Russia has been annihilated. If Russia cannot be
defeated, then China must only be militarily contained (so that the PRC does not turn towards
Russia in a serious way) and the "Free World" can only hope that China may collapse under its
own contradictions. For the US Deep State, Russia must be fought against to the most bitter
end, and on this, the Europeans are in enthusiastic agreement.
We'll see how this turns out, but this development is nothing but deeply worrying. It would
be stupid to sugarcoat this.
I always thought that "The Empire was, is and will be the Empire" and the president is merely
the figurehead of this very Empire. That was obvious president after president, "beautifully
depicted" by president Obama. To really make any changes you'd need a revolution which is totally
outside the mental conceptions of Western peoples today, last not least lacking leading figures
who could organize the people. Similarly, dreaming about Trump changing the world for a better
one was an illusion right from the start. These who have always driven this ship along will,
of course, now drive Trump. So apart from a lot of shallow noise, what has changed? Nothing.
And if that is correct it is still the better solution of whatever might be in the offing.
Trump is a trickster.
His job is not to make America great again – an impossible task anyway, as the Masonic project
'America as the New Atlantis' was a con job from the get go and was, like any film set, built
primary as an eye candy and for temporarily use only. The ZWO needed the USA as the launch pad, staging ground and propaganda central for almost
resistance-less military-industrial subjection of the vast, still virgin goy-lands sprinkled
all over planet Earth.
Who cared about the enslavement of South America, Africa, South East Asia, Bolshevik Russia,
Maoist China as long Hollywood kept spinning out blockbuster after blockbuster, as long as
NASA made everybody proud with their staged moon landings, as long as CIA lifetime actors like
Elvis Presley, Bob Dylan, Jack Nicholson, Ernest Hemingway, Steve Jobs, Mark Zuckerberg, Elon
Musk dazzled our eyes and minds with magic too good to be true.
Now that the project is almost complete and the USA bankrupt beyond repair, the ZWO faces
the tricky task of ushering in a rougher phase, while making sure the blame doesn't fall on
them, but on conspiracy theorists!, Nazis!, White Supremacists!, Fake News bloggers!, sexists!,
racists! and what not.
That is where Trump comes in. All he has to do is to upset the apple cart. Saying some right
words at wrong time. And some wrong things at the right time. Taking the wrong decisions at
appropriate moments. Playing the joker not once, but again and again.
This is the best we can hope for now. And Trump – Inshallah! – will deliver.
I was always cautiously optimistic about Trump. My expectations of his were rather modest.
Of course, the very first thing that recommended him was the simple fact he is not Hillary.
The second, perhaps, was his unortodox approach and what seems (still in the present, I think)
to be a genuine desire to shake the establishment currently pulling the string in Washington.
He had some profound statements that were previously unthinkable from any US President (we'll
stop toppling regimes).
Taking all of that into consideration, and assuming that Trump has been sincere, there was
always a huge problem for him: he is completely alone. He has no reliable allies to help him
even start the battle with the power elite governing the US.
From his first day in office, it was clear they were going to oppose him at every step and
Trump has little or no means to fight back.
I generally appreciate and agree with the Saker, but I think he is overly pessimistic here.
In my view, Trump has already showed to be willing to fight, but the resistance is too great
for one man to handle. And Trump is, more or less, alone.
It is naive from the get go to think that Trump will undo the Neocons' agenda that started
since 911! Trump from the beginning should have made sure the backings of the majority of the
American people including the immigrants, remain neutral on Muslim issues, Russia, any policies
that the fake liberals would have reason to antagonize him with, in order to minimize protests
against him, like the fake Obama and Clintons. Once elected, he could then implement his policies.
His administration and presidency campaign may have been sabotaged from the get go so that
they have reason to blame him with afterwards.
Flynn resigned during PM Abe's visit and when N Korea fired the missiles. Could these be
the reason for his resignation instead of Russia?
I deeply admire and respect The Saker.
But I think this time you rushed into final conclusions , while the game is just in its first
Trump still has infinite ammo : he can replace the hell out of whoever he wants to.
He won't behave as a loser and cower down.
There'll be counter-attacks , plenty I believe.
He's calling the shots, not the neo-cons.
Mattis clearly states he hates wars, and he is not a traitor ; he was put there to shield
Trump – and he obviously agreed – while "barking war" for domestic consumption towards keeping
quiet the warmonger crowd.
Smokes and mirrors game.
I think the core plan is still in place.
I don't always agree with the Saker, but this time I do. The resignation of Flynn suggests
that he was pushed out by the neocons and that Trump was unable – not unwilling – to prevent
the push. Flynn's lie, or cover-up is neither here nor there; it's not the reason he had to
resign. Trump has been left relatively isolated within his own administration. Unless he sacks
some key figures, he will be politically vulnerable. So, Flynn's departure is probably a sign
of things to come: more neo-conservativism, more empire building, and more neoliberalism: back
to the Washington Consensus – which never really disappeared.
"The resignation of Flynn suggests that he was pushed out by the neocons and that Trump was
unable – not unwilling – to prevent the push. "
I agree with this. I don't have evidence.
But I think there must be more to the story.
As for the telephone call, so what? What about the Iran-Contra meetings in Paris that sank
Carter by getting a promise out of the Iranians not to free the hostages until Reagan was being
Same deal. Has anyone told Trump about that?
Why not just say: Hey, there is no difference, guys! If that was OK, so was Flynn's call to
Russia to say "hello, and we plan to be friends wijoo."
What is, actually, wrong with that?
There must be some other pressure on Trump.
This is probably Trump's last chance to get a powerful loyalist near him.
He has made it easy for his enemies on the left and right with the Bannon appointment, immigration
ban, and wild words re Iran, etc.
Didnt Flynn accuse Hillary Clinton of being involved in chip trafficking around the time
of the Pizzagate shooter? I've also read that the new media face of the Trump campaign, Stephen
Miller is somehow involved with the nonsense going on behind the scenes in the WH. Is it possible
these things are related?
Trump's daughter Ivanka and his son in law Jared Kushner are apparently Lubavitch Jews. That
seems even more relevant to Trump's weakness than Pence or anything much else. It was a group
of Lubavitch rabbis who persuaded George Bush Junior to sign the so called "Noahide Laws" into
American Law – which I find astounding, to put it mildly.
These so called "laws" demand the beheading of all people who practice "idolatry" . According
to them I think the only religion on Earth which does not allow any kind of idolatry is Islam
(perhaps also the Jains). Christianity definitely, according to these sinister people, practices
idolatry in the form of The Cross and pictures of Jesus and so forth.
There have been rumors for years now about "fema camps", but there are also photographs
and videos of long white painted trains with UN painted on the sides. They are three storied
carriages or cabooses with flat beds in between every few of these. Someone got into these
carriages, years ago, and said that there are metal benches in them with ankle irons fixed
to the floors.
On the flat beds guillotines were seen – "made in China".
Which all makes my blood run cold. These Lubavitch really are as sinister as the original
@Ivanka and his son in law Jared Kushner are apparently Lubavitch Jews.
They definitely are. That was a 'secret' only to the extent that nobody wanted to see it,
although the sickening details were all over the place:
"Trump was raised Presbyterian. Before her wedding, in July 2009, after studying for over
a year with Rabbi Elie Weinstock from the Modern Orthodox Ramaz School, she converted to Orthodox
Judaism and took the Hebrew name "Yael". She describes her conversion as an "amazing and beautiful
journey" and that her father supported her studies from day one, due to his respect for the
Jewish religion. She attests to keeping a kosher diet and observing the Jewish Sabbath, saying
in 2015: "We're pretty observant It's been such a great life decision for me I really find
that with Judaism, it creates an amazing blueprint for family connectivity. From Friday to
Saturday we don't do anything but hang out with one another. We don't make phone calls."Trump
sends her daughter to kindergarten at a Jewish school in New York City. She says that "It's
such a blessing for me to have her come home every night and share with me the Hebrew that
she's learned and sing songs for me around the holidays." (Wikipedia)
"Trump vowed to be an advocate for women and Israel. Regarding her father's support for
Israel, Trump said he would be "an unbelievable champion for Israel and for the Jewish people.
You will not be disappointed."@http://www.algemeiner.com/2016/10/28/ivanka-trump-at-florida-synagogue-my-father-called-before-jewish-high-holidays-and-said-you-better-pray-hard-for-me/
"The biblical story of Esther is an imperfect allegory for the Trump family, but as for
Ivanka, the comparison isn't half bad. Esther is a Jewish woman who conceals her identity when
she becomes the bride of a powerful king. It is only when she reveals who she is that she can
save the Jewish people from an evil adviser plotting their destruction.
Like Esther, Ivanka might appear to be nothing more than a pretty face until she shows that
she's the savviest person in the room. Like Esther, Ivanka has a familial, almost accidental
position of influence with a powerful gentile political figure. And like Esther, Ivanka's Jewishness
is veiled: Something she describes as an important part of her identity and family life-she's
an Orthodox convert, but she rarely agrees to talk about her faith-is essentially invisible
to those who don't know it's there".She's the Orthodox daughter of David Duke's favorite candidate
for president-and a perfect cipher for the anxiety of assimilation.@https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/09/what-should-american-jews-make-of-ivanka-trump/498476/
So much for David Duke!
"Ynetnews reports: Businesswoman Ivanka Trump and her husband Jared Kushner have purchased
a home in Washington DC in preparation for President-elect Donald Trump's inauguration. As
a practicing Jewish couple, their impending move also necessitated joining a local synagogue.
They Chose TheSHUL, a small synagogue run by international the Chabad Jewish community and
Rabbi Levi Shemtov heads TheSHUL, which has a congregation of 40 – 60 members, among them former
senator Joe Lieberman, current Secretary of Treasury Jack Lew as well as several former ambassadors
and Israeli dignitaries".
It was never so 'in your face'.
Other overlooked detail: 'World's Largest Jewish Center in Dnepropetrovsk', 'Dnepropetrovsk
could be renamed – Jerusalem-on-the-Dnieper'
Would Trump abandon Ukraine?
And why do you explain that, for example, Scott, who is always researching about Chabad Lubavitch,
have overlooked this? And, has been this information just discovered today, or the so much informed people here
knew it in advance and, in spite, promoted Trump as if there was not tomorrow, you included?
I essentially agree with the premise that the conflict between the Establishment and Trump
is basically over Trump being elected as someone who didn't rise through, and was not acculturated
in a conventional Establishment political milieu. I further agree that Flynn's resignation
represents an important Establishment victory. However, the notion that Donald Trump represented
the last chance to avert a major US meltdown, that he aspired to significantly change the path
our capitalist system is pursuing, is quite frankly, hyperbole. You endow Donald Trump with
Donald Trump does not represent now, nor did he ever, a challenge to the prevailing neo-liberal
system. Even if he had parried Establishment's previous challenges, or goes to ultimately push
back successfully against existing and future challenges to his policies, there will not be
a historical, significant change to ruling class domestic policies. Any alteration in US foreign
policies, would be selective, and would not persist in the long term. Donald Trump, for all
his idiosyncrasies, is very much a ruling class individual, possessing ruling class ideology.
Reorganization of the national security agencies, relegating the power of the CIA to the
Executive, bringing some measure of common sense to America's foreign policies vis a vis the
Russian Federation, pulling back on America's bloated and unsustainable military engagements,
while welcome, would not amount to a material and long-term change to the nature of the American
system and its empire.
Working people would have lived, and will still live, in a society with inadequate and worsening
healthcare, housing, education, and public infrastructure,;and with declining unionization
rates and collective bargaining power in the workplace. They would and will still pay taxes
to a government which would expend those funds on a gargantuan and growing military budget;
and on assistance to giant corporations. They would and will continue to be indoctrinated by
a government and mass media with neo-liberal and bourgeois ideology. Nothing critical would
have, or will change, under a Donald Trump administration.
Foreign policy is shaped by the economic nature of the beast. America under Donald Trump,
or any other candidate of the "two" party system, in the long-term must pursue policies which
continue to inject excess revenue into the system. That revenue represents value extracted
from other countries. Otherwise, the economic engine of the US will not expand, and the system
will soon collapse upon itself. Inevitably, the dynamic of the system engenders conflict with
any foreign power or powers which stand in its way. That is why any lessening of conflict with
Russia or China or any other major actor on the world stage would be purely temporary, and
selective in nature.
Donald Trump was no one's last hope. Don't bestow upon him a significance he does not deserve.
In other words, Trump is not of the crazies in the basement, but one the crazies on the main
floor, as we had before GW Bush.
The only solution looks to me to be distributed leadership (real anarchy - no chiefs) and
not looking for 'leaders' and 'heroes' to save the day. It has parallels with using relational
(table driven) databases instead of the older hierarchical databases - a different model of
Unfortunately, most people can't yet conceive of or understand how this works on large scale
- although they use it all the time among a group of friends which do things by consensus,
and some people do it in worker-run businesses (which often takes a lot of adjustment for people
to get the hang of).
This is an excellent article. Very realistic and precise. The thin hopes on Trump just got
"wafer thin", and it looks like we will all be in for a ride. So be it. Better to face the
sad truth than fool ourselves. GREAT analysis, I will share.
Greetings, and thanks and for work,
And perhaps it was never really about hope, but about many people just just keeping on working
- and if one wants some hope one can find it in all those people who do.
In consolation to Mike Flynn leaving take a look at this:
Why Mike Flynn leaving was actually good for Trump by ex-CIA Robert Steele ..(not just a paper
pusher he was actually clandestine for 10 of his years in intelligence work)
-Robert Steele: Dick Cheney, Not Donald Trump, Orchestrated Firing of Mike Flynn. Flynn Deserved
to Be Fired, But Not for Talking to Russians--
I also want to mention the fantastic new book by the Legendary Dmitri Orlov – and an see why
he is spoken of as legendary. It is called "Shrinking the Technocracy." Not to read this book would be a great loss.
Let me be clear.
If it is true that It is illegal for private citizens to conduct US diplomacy (as BBC writes),
then the past December Flynn-Russia's ambassador Kislyak phone conversation should not occur
anyway before he was officially appointed National Security Adviser.
Considering the hysterical activity and agitation of the neocons/deep state and their russophobia,
they would not loss any minimal pretext to attack Trump and his collaborators.
The question is: was the ambassador aware of that? With no clear benefits from such early talk,
it should have appeared as a possible trap, planted for a "delayed" explosion. As indeed it
The results is that now Flynn had to resign And Kislyak?
The problem is that Flynn lied on the highest level. It's not a problem to have a phone conversation
with the Russians or be Russian friendly. The problem is when you claim it hasn't happened.
Flynn should've known better. His resignation is not a sign of the deep state taking over,
but a logic consequence after breaking the trust.
He didn't claim it didn't happen, and he didn't break any trust. As said at the Duran, it's
a concoction - a pretense. The main purpose of the call was apparently to start arrangements
between Trump and Putin and get some conversation started, and there's nothing wrong with that
- except for the 'neo'-crazies who insist on making Russia an enemy. This accusation is abut
the same as accusing Russia of invading Crimea. There is a technical term for it in political
It isn't the deep state trying to take over, BTW, but one of the factions therein. The US
is in a political (and cultural) civil war.
I have been saying to everyone I know and posting on FB since Hillary entered the race it looks
to me like the globalists could get more of what they want faster with Trump in the Whitehouse
than with Hillary because they would have a better chance at destroying/blaming the liberty
movement for the fiscal/social collapse planned. The only way to prevent the new administration
from avoiding its promise to return power to the people is pro-liberty Americans opposing elected
officials that were never drained from the swamp when they embrace globalism for the globalist
plan abandoning pro-liberty legislation. How long can President Trump, his administration and
America continue to endure so much subversion? There are endless criminal corrupt globalist
organizations behind endless subversion's openly against America/Trump
• CFR & Foundations behind the U.N. Agenda's 21/2030/2050
• EU parliament
• Planned Parenthood
• All population control organizations
• George Soros and everything he funds
• The leaders of the global warming/climate change movement
• The mainstream media in the West that are controlled by global elites.
• The LGBT/feminist movements backed by the U.N..
• American public education institutions.
• The Vatican using Pope Francis openly laying the groundwork for a moral and religious case
in favor of population control, all for totalitarian world government control
• The world's largest corporations and multi-billionaires
• Militant Islam
• All of Obama's Czars and thousands of other globalists like Obama working openly and not
openly subverting America.
Folks, think about it, Trump's campaign had a hole in it from the beginning; the contradiction
of Russia Vs Israel. The relationship between those two nations is paradox: Russia contradicts
what Israel wants in the ME. Trump can't be pro Russia and pro Israel at the same time. If
he supports Israel fully, he has to oppose Russia's involvement in Syria and Iran. Besides,
The encirclement of Russia by NATO also involves Zionists. The irony is that, most Jews in
Israel come from Russia and yet, they antagonize Russia. Is being anti Russia from the beginning
the work of Zionists or the West? Hope some here can answer this for me. Who benefits from
being Anti Russia? I believe Zionists and the West may have huge benefit from elliminating
Russia so that they can scramble Russia's resource and land.
That being said, Trump's base is his supporters, unless they come out in full force to protect
him and make neocons back off, he will further be controlled by the Neocons and Zionists. Already,
Trump is backing on issues such as One China policy, not having US embassy in Jerusalem (probably
a signal for Zionists to oust Trump) .
The problem of firing/getting rid of someone for being "too pro-russian" is that this empowers
anti-russian paranoia, Mccartism, and you never know who is next. This is a field day for those
looking for russians under the beds.
Trump is an idiot because he endangered himself, as he too can be seen as "too pro russian".
He could be next. If Flynn lost his post for being too pro-russian, why not Trump too? He could
The deplorables don't want war and on some level (sex, "Christian values") respect Putin
as a straight shooter and despise all of our crooked arrows when they make any comparison. If Trump had not said what he said about Russia and Putin during the campaign, he never
would have gotten 10% as far as he got. You can't be afraid of your shadow. If you are, you're just a dead man walking, and you
may as well jump into your grave and pull the lid over your coffin.
Keep pushing on "Russia is OK with me" the McCarthy record is already severely scratched
and is even a broken record with a lot of Americans, and it's becoming a sad joke to many of
them. They're sick of those pulling this mind control chain. It's ridiculous, and more and
more Americans realize it every day. Escalate till the chains break on many millions more,
whose minds have been weak enough to put up with this nonsense for far too many decades.
The trump regime really should be called the pence regime, since it is obvious now that
pence manages it and trump is mostly the "showman" mouth and face.
The conversation of flynn and the Russian ambassador being the cause seems to me to be a
phony reason. I speculate the real reason is something else. It could be about Russian relations,
in which case, maybe flynn was actually more open to warming these, and pence/trump were not
(trump having lied). They had a disagreement and flynn left.
It also could be about something else entirely, other policies flynn was tasked to work
on, even a personality clash between flynn and pence.
It is also possible the israelis ordered flynn's resignation for reasons unknown by me.
They've done this before, and this whole scenario has a strong deja vu feel. Remember Andrew
Young? They got him fired in almost the exact same manner, hyping a conversation he had with
a Palestinian in their zio-gay media and forcing carter to fire him. Only in Young's case,
mossad spied on him and leaked info about Young's meeting with Palestinians to the zio-gay
Perhaps mossad has something on flynn, they certainly spied on him. Regardless, perhaps
they found out something, not necessarily to do with Russia, they didn't like. With zionazis,
pet goys have to be 100% unequivocally loyal or they're out.
vt – didn't you ever see the video interviews of Kay Griggs ? Military Intelligence Wife Whistleblower
– look it up –
Flynn must be involved in some of that cult stuff – its really bad – no one wants to hear
about it but there's so much pedophilia of young princes – Saudis – and then they are forever
silenced – and Flynn being where he is in the Military Intelligence community – must have at
least known it was going on
It's just a dispute between 2 factions of the Zionist empire with Trump representing the more
cautious faction. It is good he has been defeated this way so all the fools who think he could
make any deals will have those illusions crushed. Even if his faction made deals they would
be broken the second his faction is pushed out of power anyway, so such deals are worthless,
just like the NATO pact not moving east.
Michael Flynn resigned late on Monday after revelations he had discussed U.S. sanctions
on Russia with the Russian ambassador to the United States before Trump took office and misled
Vice President Mike Pence about the conversations.
"It's obvious that Flynn was forced to write the letter of resignation under a certain amount
of pressure," Leonid Slutsky, head of the lower house of parliament's foreign affairs committee,
was quoted as saying by the RIA news agency.
Flynn was a strong advocate for the need for softer foreign policy toward Russia and his
departure could slow Trump's pledge to improve relations with Russian President Vladimir Putin.
"The target was Russia-U.S. relations, undermining confidence in the new U.S. administration,"
Slutsky said, without specifying who he thought was responsible. (MORE)
With all respect, I think the Saker blogger had been little too much in his optimism for late
Trump is not gone tonight, but was gone when he turned his words, in admitting "Russians were
meddling with the election" right after the brief conference of intelligence agency.
That was the very moment he surrendered. Not tonight.
I was giving up on him since then.
Lately he did associate with our awful dictator Shinzo Abe, why?
As long as he's "asked", not by Abe, but by the people who can tell what to do to Trump.
Quite opposing view to Saker at UNZ by Philip Giraldi (Article: Two Uninspiring Choices
). He thinks of Flynn rather differently. He says that "Michael Flynn the National Security
Advisor and Nikki Haley as U.N. Ambassador unfortunately did manage to squeak through and will
presumably be well placed to wreak havoc over the next four years". Also the same day Elliott
Abrams, the certified neocon is dismissed. This tells a lot. I tend to lean towards P.Giraldi.
IMO it is NOT a "huge" victory for the neocon cabal but may be quite the contrary.
Yes, I agree. It is sometimes necessary to see the persons who have said they will support
your policies in action. Not only shall I await further developments on the political scene,
but also further analysis from Saker. He's not above correcting his assumptions when and if
that is needed, and this sudden techtonic shift in the powers that be does need further analysis.
The press is rushing to interpret it one way, which has me very leery of theirs. Not for the
Good thing too. Trump is a efin' disaster.
I despise a possible president Pence, but to have someone stable at the US rudder would make
me feel just a bit better. Trump is a train wreck running through more and more houses. People
think they can control him, but they can't. He wants to be in control, or look like he is,
even though he has no idea of what he is doing. You can explain stuff to him, but he won't
listen or just doesn't understand. He's no genious, not even a business one. He is heading
I think Flynn was a Trojan horse planted by the neocons himself. His history shows a career
full of anti-Iran sentiment and an excessive push for a harsher approach toward that country,
I can't seem to see why his removal is necessarily a bad thing
Saker, I am afraid that the only way anything will change is if the PEOPLE rise up and DEMAND
change, possibly in a not entirely peaceful manner.
We cannot expect change from within the USG. IT WILL NOT HAPPEN. Trump is not powerful enough,
he is no Putin or even a Kennedy. He is clueless and the only reason he rose to power was because
he wasn't Hillary.
Trump can still be worked with. But someone on "OUR" team must get an in with his administration.
It is the PEOPLE who must stand and demand change, demand an end to the Neocon infestation,
demand an end to Imperialism, and demand an end to all regime change wars. It is the people
who must demand that all those who Betrayed Humanity in their disgusting quest for power and
self-aggrandizement be Punished for their crimes.
Do not worry. We will find a way to make it happen. And do not forget – You play a very
important role in this process. Maybe you will find that one day, it was kind of like a self
You are premature. It will all depend on who Trump replaces him with.
In fact Flynn had already blundered by blaming Iran for attacking a US war ship, which they
didn't and called Iran the world's biggest terror sponsor when it is Saudi Arabia. Flynn could
have become a liability eventually and better for him to go now rather than later and I heard
ex-CIA guy Philip Giraldi talk about this in this interesting read.
Once again I'll state the biggest mistake here was Putin's. Instead of ignoring the mountain
of demonising press against Russia and Putin during the election of Trump, Putin allowed it
to get to him, and he backed away in the aftermath of Trump's election to 'prove' Trump was
his own man.
But Putin's decision created a vacuum (which was the entire idea behind the propaganda attacks),
which Deep State agents all around Trump immediately filled. Putin should have moved heaven
and Earth to craft a ***day one*** alliance to "fight ISIS to destruction". Yes I know this
would have been just PR nonsense, but that was all Trump had asked for daily on his election
trail. With a guy like Trump, you race toward him, grasp him firmly by the hand, and promise
him whatever he wants to hear. Putin did not do this.
Now Putin's chance is dead. Trump is actually being successfully coerced to do and say anti-Russian
stuff now. Nothing major, butenough to kill any hope to Trump working with Russia. And worse,
the instinct in Trump to put Humanity's greatest killing machine to immediate use is being
We know Iran is the real target- not bluster over North Korea. But the bluster sets a tone
that "rogue states" should not be allowed to advance their systems of self-defense. And that,
of course, is the consistant cry of America against Iran. And for those of you who claim Iran
is too 'sneaky' and 'wily' to give the USA an 'excuse'- well sorry you are really clueless
as to how this game is played.
Let me explain. Saddam after Gulf War 1 got down on his knees and begged the Americans to
be allowed to offer them whatever they wanted in exchange for resurrecting the alliance America
had with Iraq before the 'invasion' of Kuwait. His supply of oil to the USA would have been
an economic boon beyond belief, so he did not get what the actual issue was. But we now know.
Even tho Iraq was the idea Empire slave state, there were bigger plans in motion. The ***secular***
sunni state had to be destroyed so the skilled civilised sunnis of Iraq could be turned into
slaves of the depraved wahhabi state of Saudi Arabia, and made the commanders of SA's new extremist
terror hoardes- butchers that we currently know as ISIS.
Saddam couldn't imagine in a million years that his masters in the West wanted to Middle
East to burn and fall to 'sunni' (actually wahhabi) extremist savages. After all the Deep State
project, since the 19th century when Britain helped the Turkish Empire to fade away, was to
encourage ***secular*** civilised Islamic rule. And those rulers of islamic heritage wanted
to be as civilised as their brothers in the West- they didn't want to hark back to medieval
values or encourage their people to do the same. Saddam didn't know that Tony Blair and the
other demons had ripped up the rule book- and were determined to create hell on Earth within
PNAC made it clear that the 9/11 false flag would be the road to Iran's ending. History
shows their plans slipped- especially since the invaion of Iraq had no possible excuse, creating
waves of revulsion amongst the general sheeple that became an anti-war sentiment. Obama was
'accidently' elected over Clinton slowing things down even more, and leading to the acceleration
of the wahhabi terror play. Libya was taken out almost pointlessly (because Libya isn't a good
source of ISIS cannon fodder) simply because old animosity between the USA and Libya made it
too much of a testing ground for the latter use of the same animosity between Iran and the
For most Americans- Trump above all- Libya was the 'little brother' of Iran, and now the
USA has finally 'beaten up' Libya, well it is 'obvious' it is time for Iran to go down as well.
There is but one issue now. Those Deep State demons that really run the USA have a level
of power players beneath them that mostly think attacking Iran is the stupidest move possible.
They can now jerk Trump around like a perfect puppet, but anyone Trump tries to use to put
together the Iran war plan will hit long standing, well argued resistance. For conventional
right-wing hard men, Iran is all lose and no gain. Sure, the racist psychopaths that frequently
rule the zionist terror state of Israel are all for war with Iran, but this very fact is used
as evidence that such a war would be utterly moronic by the right-wing thinkers of the USA.
Iran is the immovable object, but the demons are the irresistable force. And Iran only has
to make one fatal slip- without even knowing it ***is*** a slip before successful demonising
anti-Iranian propaganda takes hold. Of course, the BBC and every other zionist outlet has already
tried attacking Iran every which way without success so far, but successful propaganda is as
'trendy' as a pop hit so you never know when a particular mud ball will stick.
We have a sense of this with the foul Soros HRW attack against Syria today, stating that
"Syria used chemical weapons to take Allepo". The Israeli controlled French government immediately
demanded UN action against Assad. Of course, the demon play in Syria is done, but anti-Syrian
rhetoric is just practise for Iran.
HRW is Soros and the US State Dept. Amnesty International is MI6. Neither is now trusted
to the slightest degree by the informed, but the actions of both show current thinking and
strategy of the Deep State.
Having lost Trump,Putin must now act ***immediately*** to save Iran. Giving weapons to Iran
cannot do this. Having a public formal alliaince, with Russians working on the ground in Iran
can. Of course the religious leaders who rule Iran distrust Russia, and Putin must do everything
he can to point out that it is Russia protection or utter destruction for Iran- and to bluntly
state the ***truth** – which is if the West does attack Iran, Russia will back off and leave
Iran to its fate. It is prevention or disaster,
"The resignation of the US President's National Security Adviser Michael Flynn won't affect
Russian-American relations because they are not shaped yet and there is, in fact, nothing to
have an impact on," Fyodor Lukyanov told Sputnik.
The political analyst further explained that it still remains unclear whether Donald Trump
wanted to reset the relations with Russia with the help of either Michael Flynn or new Secretary
of State Rex Tillerson. However, he again reiterated that it is impossible to have an impact
on something that does not yet exist.
The expert explained that the attacks on Trump's National Security Adviser for his alleged
pro-Russian position were "something made out of thin air." However he had to resign because
he was not careful enough.
He further noted that there are still chaotic developments in the Trump administration and
there might be more resignations coming."
Kucinich: "Be VERY careful. That's my warning this morning. WAKE UP AMERICA "
"This isn't about whether you're for or against Donald Trump. Hello! This is about whether
the American people are bystanders in a power play inside the intelligence community . and
whether we can be forced to go to war with any country. ,,,, A game is being played with the
security of our country. I [Dennis Kucinich] don't often share the interviews I do, but ask
that you watch and share this one because it's important.
What I don't understand is this.
We see and read of the power exerted by the liberal/neocon "deep state" and their abilities
to disrupt and damage Trump's presidency.
But in order to get where he has gotten to today, Trump must have some powerful backers
too. So where are these powerful Trump supporters and what are they doing if anything?
Saker, as you know very well my warnings that Flynn was the keystone, the means through which
reform could come to IC, MIC, Deep State-the wombs of Khazarian Russophobia and Hegemony-I
agree with you completely that your analysis is correct. It is over.
Trump will not be able to control Pompeo or Mattis.
Trump will not be able to penetrate the Deep State and uproot the warmongers.
Trump will not be able to end the Hegemony.
What he presented as stiff opening arguments against Iran and Russia are now weaponized
with his signature on them. Ukraine will be on some budget line and kept viable. Syria will
be a target again per Wolfowitz-Perle and Bibi.
Where ceasefire and peace was possible we will get more war and chaos.
ISIS will not be defeated anywhere soon. Russia will be forced to supply regular troops
soon if it intends to clean out ISIS and al Nusra while it can. Or it will be bogged down (US
goal for certain.)
Now, for what we must do: keep exposing the tools and persons who removed Flynn.
This was all at the surface of the Deep State. Most of the players were visible. No subtle,
covert operation this assassination. And from that careful documentation we can keep "outing"
the enemy within.
Trump, sadly, may have bought a one-term Presidency when he let this become a neocon issue.
His daughter and son-in-law tamping down his instincts to fight have been a huge disservice.
Bannon, a hegemonic ideologue in foreign policy, certainly would not protect Flynn. Bannon
served the Naval Intel world in his career, and nothing good has ever come out of US Naval
Intel. They plotted against their own man, JFK.
We, have, a hard choice. Despair and gnash our teeth, or continue to expose the evil operators
inside the US government. Spare the Trump-bashing. He erred hugely. But it was predictable.
Flynn was a wild card warrior. He was fearless and reckless in behalf of his mission. Trump
sent him to the Russians. They had to know the outcome would be intense heat.
But what was unknown, the treachery in the inner circle. Pence is fully exposed now. Trump
knows this clearly. He can't share that with anyone. His circle is filled with like-minded
who would serve Pence more comfortably than Trump himself.
Pence is Brutus. Watch him as he goes to the Munich meeting.
He is pure Neo-Con and a treacherous liar himself.
No greater threat exists to Peace than a traitor to the nation and the opportunity for Detente
being thrown away.
Trump failed to protect his warrior. But the Intel agencies were withholding approvals of
deputies' clearances. They had denied Robin Townley, deputy for Africa a clearance for NSC.
This signaled that they would undermine Flynn and Trump every day like the Dems have with the
nominations and street riots. It was all Trump could do to try to get control of things. Messaging
was scrambled, forward movement was stalled. He had to jettison Flynn. But it was all on him.
He didn't control Pence and marginalize him. He faced Pence and blinked.
Sad. Maybe Tragic. But, Trump has comeback potential. It just won't be with the Intel Community.
He has to find leverage from elsewhere. Probably, why he's talking to Chris Christie. I suspect
DOJ and Sessions is one weapon. Maybe they will bring Christie in to DOJ, if he has a huge
role, and use him to prosecute the leakers in Deep State. It's only a guess.
Listen to Pence, watch Mattis. And know that Pompeo is more of the same in CIA.
Also, Kelly in DHS is weak and a go-along general. He'll test the wind.
What has happened is Trump thought he had built a citadel using Flynn and the generals around
him, with Mattis and Kelly. It has all been turned into a prison, and Trump is hostage.
Ahh an article on demonology at the Duran.
(Check out pictures of Abrams - clearly a creature from the netherworld.)
Demons, vampires, goblins and orcs, the occasional ogre.
Some crazies are made to live in the attic, while these prefer the basement and other underground
About the same gang as always.
(I see dead people. They are everywhere. They walk around like everyone else. They don't even
know they are dead. - The living dead - all psychopaths, surviving on human blood, so to speak.)
When Trump started loading up his cabinet with these ghouls and their associates or rivals
it became obvious where it was going. As I said once before, the doctrine that states have
no friends but rather interests this was saying the state is run by psychopaths, as that is
precisely the mind set of psychopaths, individually or collectively.
If one follows the logic that the globalist cabal touting the female was bent to attack Russia
in early 2017, then the Trump election may has interrupted the schedule, but not, evidently,
the plan, the war-plan, itself. They never gave up power
The implication is that the war was scheduled, and still is.
Repeat. The implication is that the march to war is ongoing and deliberate.
Well Saker, I'm going contrarian, which does not necessarily mean 180 degrees.
I viewed Flynn's appointment as plus/negative, positive re Russia, negative re Iran. It's still
potentially positive re Russia as Tillerson is still in.
To write off Trump so early in his Presidency is really not very helpful, considering the monumental
task he has of taking on the very corrupt establishment, did you think there would be no blowback?
Also, clearly Trump is inexperienced politically and doesn't know all the ins and outs of the
political establishment in DC, so has to find his feet.
A big plus is that we have moved away from warfare and potentially a nuclear holocaust – if
anybody thinks that mere radioactive fallout from exploding warheads is survivable hasn't taken
into account something which is far more deadly, how about many more nuclear power reactor
failures like Fukushima, or worse?
Another point which has been overlooked is that he got rid of nuland – or at least she couldn't
work under him – either way I see that as major (personally) together with the much less hostile
if not almost indifference to the Donbass, with kiev in turmoil. It was reported that a US
warship won't now visit Odessa – small but unmistakeable changes happening.
There is an old saying; "When you're up to your ass in alligators it's easy to forget your
original intention was to drain the swamp."
The single greatest lesson I learned in a decade of trying (and failing) to change national
policy is that success is measured in inches, not miles. Bureaucratic inertia is a highly under-rated
force in its own right. Real change can only be generational. Unless and until there is a "b"
team of keenly aware and circumspect underlings who see the problems and understand the patience
required to make incremental change, there will be no meaningful change.
Success isn't home runs (although most who desire positive change would welcome the odd
one). Real success is bases-on-balls, running out infield hits and bloop singles and advancing
Trump must remember business 101 under-promise and over-deliver. If he wants to keep the
tens of millions who voted for him engaged and positive he must deliver on small promises.
I am dismayed that so many here see the "beginning of the end" instead of "the end of the beginning".
Flynn (more than most) knew the rules going in and he blew it. His sins are sins of over-reach
and forgetting the basics of protocol. His sacrifice will encourage others to step up. The
dream of untangling the web is not dead. Too many millions (arguably billions) demand meaningful,
positive change those who have faith understand it will be a slow and sometimes painful process.
Real success is bases-on-balls, running out infield hits and bloop singles and advancing
@Simon Wagstaff -
Allow me a moment of comedic relief in this tragic drama ?
This is true as a general principle. But somebody PLEASE get through to Clint Hurdle (Pittsburgh
Pirates Manager) that wasting outs by bunting runners from first to second predictably results
in them being stranded at third.
Small advances are potentially valuable, but when you run out of outs to achieve them they
if there is any reason to save the Trump presidency, Pence needs to be isolated asap – w/removal
of all Republican loyalists within WH including Priebus.
More to come re Pence role on how this all unfolded.
All politics is smoke and mirrors ie cabinet appointees – watch what we do; not what we say.
Tillerson and Sessions esp forced to grovel by R's and Dems –
One benefit to all this has been public revelation of Dems as partners with the Deep State
parties. The true depth of their betrayal to the country is now undeniable as we already knew
R's could not be trusted.
ie payback coming re Lizzie Warren's vitriol on Sessions. her poll numbers for 2018 election
not looking good.
Cynthia – if those suggested names are viable, keep to yourself so as to avoid public exposure
at this point perhaps best messenger may be Ivanka
The entirety of tRump's foreign policy doesn't revolve around Flynn's status. Has tRump decided
to reinstate the TTP and TTIP as "trade" policy goals? Decided to not renegotiate/pull out
of NAFTA and other so-called trade pacts? Pull back/reconsolidate the Empire of Bases? Attempt
to totally disrupt China's OBOR or Russia's EEU through the use of terrorist proxies as HRC's
Neocons planned? Then there's Flynn's illogical hatred of Iran and the complications that posed
for reestablishing cordial relations with Russia. And those points are just a few of many.
IMO, Saker and other commentators have reacted in knee-jerk fashion to Flynn's resignation,
for he didn't represent the be-all/end-all of tRump's foreign policy agenda. I'm far more disturbed
by many of tRump's cabinet choices plus the fact that they were confirmed despite their lies
and criminal actions, which is what's provoked most of the resistance to the current national
Trump has no party behind him. And he is no FDR to hit establishment with the full force of Federal
"... This not about "how easy to convict Trump". This is about who is the real boss in Washington, DC. ..."
"... Today's Neocon victory might well as huge event as Trump victory. Now it is Trump defeat. I think it's over for Trump... He did not last long, did he ? From now on he might well be just "yet another puppet". Much like Obama, or Bush II, or Clinton. ..."
"... Neocons are celebrating. That's for sure. Deep state is way too strong and "Trump rebellion", if such existed, in now squashed with the help of big guns of NYT, Wapo and Bloomberg charged with good old "compromat". ..."
"Flynn's the First Casualty of Trump's Unsustainable Disinformation Campaign"
'In this White House, honesty is not the best policy but one to be considered among other possibilities"
by Margaret Carlson...02.14.17...2:06 PM ET
"General Michael Flynn didn't resign Monday night because he lied about his calls with the
Russian ambassador and was vulnerable to blackmail. He resigned because the public found out about
the lie and keeping him, at long last, became "unsustainable" for the Trump administration.
Just a few hours earlier, it was sustainable. White House counselor Kellyanne Conway said so.
The president, she said Monday afternoon, had "full confidence" in Flynn. Another White House
official confirmed this to Washington Post reporter Philip Rucker who reported, also on Monday,
that Trump, knowing what he knew, wasn't going to decide about Flynn for a few more days.
What changed? Throw out the old saw it's the cover-up that gets you. The White House ceded
Tuesday that it knew about the cover-up for weeks. It's the dribbling out of the details of Flynn's
mission to coddle Russia-in keeping with Trump's policy-that presented a clear and present danger
that could only be staunched if Flynn were let go.
But they want us to believe it was about the lying. At his daily briefing Tuesday, Sean Spicer
said it was "plain and simple a matter of trust." But in this whole mess, lying is a lesser included
offense, one which this White House is particularly unsuited to cast stones at. Honesty is not
the best policy there but one to be considered among other possibilities.
There would have been no resignation if what Flynn said in the taped calls, and White House
knowledge of it, hadn't been exposed late Monday in a Washington Post piece. The White House counsel-and
likely others in the Administration-had been told by then Acting Attorney General Sally Yates
that Flynn had actually made multiple calls, during the transition and going back to the campaign,
to the ambassador of a sworn adversary of the United States. Flynn's message to the ambassador
was that President Vladimir Putin might want to hold off on retaliating for sanctions imposed
by then President Barack Obama for hacking the U.S. elections. It wouldn't be that bad under the
Yates' information was reportedly weeks late getting to the White House because FBI Director
James Comey, who seems to be everywhere these days, asked her to hold off because of his ongoing
investigation into contacts between Trump associates and Russia. But after they'd been told, Spicer
put out the opposite of what the Justice Department knew to be true: that Flynn had discussed
Christmas greetings, among other things, not sanctions in his calls. With that disinformation
(Spicer likely didn't know the truth), Comey's request fell by the wayside and Yates, since fired
by Trump for not backing him up on his travel ban but perhaps for this, proceeded to inform Trump
White House counsel Donald McGahn. (McGhan, Spicer said Tuesday, immediately informed Trump.)
Whatever Flynn said, we know Putin took his outreach to heart and let the sanctions pass virtually
unnoticed. Since the calls, we might ask who has done more to coddle Russia, Flynn or the president.
Trump has kept praising Putin to the point of accusing the country he now leads of killing its
own people as Putin has done to his internal enemies. The two countries, in Trump's telling, are
To the excuses for why Flynn was let go, add "leaks" which Trump blamed in a tweet for all
that's wrong in Washington.
On TV, Trump surrogates including former military officer Carl Higbee, who's been interviewed
for a high level White House job, have dressed up the resignation in the usual nothing's-been-proven
talk about how Flynn had become a "distraction" and that this is a "rough town for good people."
Actually, that's true but not the case here as few people not on Trump's payroll thought Flynn
was the right choice.
The only reason Flynn got appointed to the most sensitive job in the Administration is that
he is a crony of Trump who stuck by him during the campaign and who could be trusted to do his
bidding without asking too many questions. If National Security Adviser were a post that required
Senate confirmation, Republicans, who have acquiesced to about everything else, would have balked.
By a margin even wider than those who dare to question the month-old presidency-that is Republican
Senators John McCain, Lindsey Graham and Jeff Flake-Flynn wouldn't have made it.
With Flynn's ouster, the Wall Trump was actually been able to build around himself may crumble.
Until now calls for an independent investigation into the Russian hacking have been rejected.
Now, that investigation is likely to proceed, along with McCain's effort to codify Russian sanctions.
Speaker Paul Ryan may eventually grow a spine. Amid a running joke at his Tuesday press conference
wishing wives of the leadership a Happy Valentine's Day, Ryan was pinned down to admitting Flynn
was rightly let go. Look for the heat to be turned up on the inquiry into the ties between Russia
and Trump's former campaign manager, Paul Manafort.
Just maybe there may be less flagrant lying now from this administration. This last weekend,
Trump's anointed wunderkind Stephen Miller was sent out on his first Sunday morning talk show
appearances. He regurgitated Trump's insistence that there's rampant voter fraud in the country
and a costly investigation should ensue. Miller brought up the fact-free claim that hordes of
Massachusetts voters drove to New Hampshire to cast illegal ballots in November. Fresh denunciations
of that claim came afterwards from former New Hampshire GOP chair Fergus Cullen and from current
New Hampshire Governor Chris Sununu, a scion of the multigeneration Republican loyalists, who
said it was false. Don't think Miller was freelancing.
The only praise for Miller came from Trump himself who lavished him with it. In this White
House, lying is not a firing offense.
Trump is having a hard time in his public effort to replace Spicer and perhaps his chief of
staff in an effort to fine one single person with the experience and maturity to mind the store.
That looks easy compared to replacing Flynn. Trump has made it clear he won't hire anyone who's
criticized him. In filling the open national security adviser position, that leaves almost no
"How easy to convict Trump and his while HRC was always innocent and picked upon....."
This not about "how easy to convict Trump". This is about who is the real boss in
Today's Neocon victory might well as huge event as Trump victory. Now it is Trump defeat. I
think it's over for Trump... He did not last long, did he ? From now on he might well be just
"yet another puppet". Much like Obama, or Bush II, or Clinton.
There was a dream that with the election of Trump neocons will be booted from Washington, DC
by peaceful means via electoral mechanisms or at least their influence will be cut. It was a high
time to do this clean up, anyway. They outlived their usefulness long ago (if they were useful
ever). This dream now is probably over. Wolfowitz, Perle, Ledeen, Robert Kagan and Co are back.
For nationalists and "nationally oriented part of US capitalists" now the choice is very difficult.
libezkova -> im1dc...
Neocons are celebrating. That's for sure. Deep state is way too strong and "Trump rebellion",
if such existed, in now squashed with the help of big guns of NYT, Wapo and Bloomberg charged
with good old "compromat".
After losing Flint Trump is done.
The problem that Trump is facing is that now he does not have any viable support to counterbalance
neocon dominated faction of intelligence services.
Essentially Trump task was impossible from the very beginning. Most of the Washington DC neocon
nests needed to be cleaned. And that is much more difficult than Hercules clean up of the Augean
Hercules knew this job would mean getting dirty and smelly, but sometimes even a hero has to
do these things. Then Eurystheus made Hercules' task even harder: he had to clean up after the
cattle of Augeas in a single day.
Now King Augeas owned more cattle than anyone in Greece. Some say that he was a son of one
of the great gods, and others that he was a son of a mortal; whosever son he was, Augeas was very
rich, and he had many herds of cows, bulls, goats, sheep and horses.
... ... ...
Despite being widely attributed as a Chinese curse, there is no equivalent expression in Chinese.
The nearest related Chinese expression is "寧為太平犬，莫做亂離人" (nìng wéi tàipíng quǎn, mò zuò luàn lí
rén), which is usually translated as "Better to be a dog in a peaceful time, than to be a human
in a chaotic (warring) period."
"May you live in interesting times" is an English expression purporting to be a translation of
a traditional Chinese curse. Despite being so common in English as to be known as "the Chinese
curse", the saying is apocryphal and no actual Chinese source has ever been produced. ...
Evidence that the phrase was in use as early as 1936 is provided in a memoir written by Hughe
Knatchbull-Hugessen, the British Ambassador to China in 1936 and 1937, and published in 1949.
He mentions that before he left England for China in 1936 a friend told him of a Chinese curse,
"May you live in interesting times". ...
When Trump gets the peace prize and talks about starting wars to stop unjust peace and nation
build with no success.....
Flynn's sin was inferring to the Russian ambassador that senselessly pushing Russia into a
corner for Vicky Nuland might end.
Why the Russians are doing the new GLCMs is perfectly reasonable from their perspective. It is called looking out for your country, which US is doing with blood all over but US is
the exceptional shining city on the hill.
And if Trump is a war criminal W. and Obama better look out for the Haig coming after them.
"America's Biggest Creditors Dump Treasuries in Warning to Trump"
by Brian Chappatta...February 12, 2017...5:00 PM EST
> Japanese investors cull U.S. government debt by most since '13
> Currency-hedged returns were worst on record last quarter
"In the age of Trump, America's biggest foreign creditors are suddenly having second thoughts
about financing the U.S. government.
In Japan, the largest holder of Treasuries, investors culled their stakes in December by
the most in almost four years, the Ministry of Finance's most recent figures show. What's striking
is the selling has persisted at a time when going abroad has rarely been so attractive. And
it's not just the Japanese. Across the world, foreigners are pulling back from U.S. debt like
From Tokyo to Beijing and London, the consensus is clear: few overseas investors want to
step into the $13.9 trillion U.S. Treasury market right now. Whether it's the prospect of bigger
deficits and more inflation under President Donald Trump or higher interest rates from the
Federal Reserve, the world's safest debt market seems less of a sure thing -- particularly
after the upswing in yields since November. And then there is Trump's penchant for saber rattling,
which has made staying home that much easier.
"It may be more difficult than usual for Japanese to invest in Treasuries and the dollar
this year because of political uncertainty," said Kenta Inoue, chief strategist for overseas
bond investments at Mitsubishi UFJ Morgan Stanley Securities in Tokyo. "Treasury yields may
rise rapidly again in the near future, which will continue to discourage them from buying aggressively."
Nobody is saying that foreigners will abandon Treasuries altogether. After all, they still
hold $5.94 trillion, or roughly 43 percent of the U.S. government debt market. (Though that's
down from 56 percent in 2008.) A significant drawdown can harm major holders like Japan and
China as much as it does the U.S.
And, of course, homegrown demand has of late been able to absorb the pickup in overseas
"... Support James Howard Kunstler blog by visiting Jim's Patreon Page ! ..."
"... The New York Times ..."
"... Putin Led a Complex Cyberattack Scheme to Aid Trump, Report Finds ..."
"... Did the Russians make Hillary Clinton look bad? Or did Hillary Clinton manage to do that herself? The NSA propaganda was designed as a smokescreen to conceal the veracity of the Wikileaks releases. Whoever actually rooted out the DNC and Podesta emails for Wikileaks ought to get the Pulitizer Prize for the outstanding public service of disclosing exactly how dishonest the Hillary operation was. ..."
"... The story may have climaxed with Trump's Friday NSA briefing, the heads of the various top intel agencies all assembled in one room to emphasize the solemn authority of the Deep State's power. ..."
"... This hulking security apparatus has become a menace to the Republic. ..."
"... Whether Trump himself is a menace to the Republic remains to be seen. Certainly he is the designated bag-holder for all the economic and financial depravity of several preceding administrations. When the markets blow, do you suppose the Russians will be blamed for that? Did Boris Yeltsin repeal the Glass-Steagall Act? Was Ben Bernanke a puppet of Putin? No, these actions and actors were homegrown American. For more than thirty years, we've been borrowing too much money so we can pretend to afford living in a blue-light-special demolition derby. And now we can't do that anymore. The physics of capital will finally assert itself. ..."
"... perhaps it's a good thing that the American people for the moment cannot tell exactly what the fuck is going on in this country, because from that dismal place there is nowhere to go but in the direction of clarity. ..."
The bamboozlement of the public is nearly complete. The Deep State has persuaded 80 percent
of Americans that all news is propaganda, especially the news emanating from the Deep State's
own intel department. They're still shooting for 100 percent. The fakest of all "fake news" stories
turns out to be "Russia Hacks Election." It was reported conclusively Saturday on the front page
of The New York Times , a wholly-owned subsidiary of the Deep State:
Putin Led a Complex Cyberattack Scheme to Aid Trump, Report Finds
WASHINGTON - President
Vladimir V. Putin of Russia directed a vast cyberattack aimed at denying
Hillary Clinton the presidency and installing
J. Trump in the Oval Office, the nation's top intelligence agencies said in an extraordinary
report they delivered on Friday to Mr. Trump.
You can be sure that this is now the "official" narrative aimed at the history books, sealing
the illegitimacy of Trump's election. It was served up with no direct proof, only the repeated
"assertions" that it was so. In fact, it's just this repetition of assertions-without-proof that
defines propaganda. It can also be interpreted as a declaration of war against an incoming president.
The second civil war now takes shape: It begins inside the groaning overgrown apparatus of the
government itself. Perhaps after that it spreads to the WalMart parking lots that have become
America's new town square. (WalMart sells pitchforks and patio torches.)
Did the Russians make Hillary Clinton look bad? Or did Hillary Clinton manage to do that herself?
The NSA propaganda was designed as a smokescreen to conceal the veracity of the Wikileaks releases.
Whoever actually rooted out the DNC and Podesta emails for Wikileaks ought to get the Pulitizer
Prize for the outstanding public service of disclosing exactly how dishonest the Hillary operation
The story may have climaxed with Trump's Friday NSA briefing, the heads of the various top
intel agencies all assembled in one room to emphasize the solemn authority of the Deep State's
power. Trump worked a nice piece of ju-jitsu afterward, pretending to accept the finding as briefly
and hollowly as possible and promising to "look into the matter" after January 20 th
- when he can tear a new asshole in the NSA. I hope he does. This hulking security apparatus
has become a menace to the Republic.
Whether Trump himself is a menace to the Republic remains to be seen. Certainly he is the designated
bag-holder for all the economic and financial depravity of several preceding administrations.
When the markets blow, do you suppose the Russians will be blamed for that? Did Boris Yeltsin
repeal the Glass-Steagall Act? Was Ben Bernanke a puppet of Putin? No, these actions and actors
were homegrown American. For more than thirty years, we've been borrowing too much money so we
can pretend to afford living in a blue-light-special demolition derby. And now we can't do that
anymore. The physics of capital will finally assert itself.
What we're actually seeing in the current ceremonial between the incoming Trump and the outgoing
Obama is the smoldering wreckage of the Democratic Party (which I'm still unhappily enrolled in),
and flames spreading into the Republican party - as idiots such as Lindsey Graham and John McCain
beat their war drums against Russia. The suave Mr. Obama is exiting the scene on a low wave of
hysteria and the oafish Trump rolls in on the cloudscape above, tweeting his tweets from on high,
and perhaps it's a good thing that the American people for the moment cannot tell exactly what
the fuck is going on in this country, because from that dismal place there is nowhere to go but
in the direction of clarity.
"... By Raúl Ilargi Meijer, editor of Automatic Earth. Originally published at Automatic Earth ..."
"... British House of Commons Speaker John Bercow can play that game too. He has loudly advertized his refusal to let Trump address UK politicians in the House of Commons and the House of Lords: "An address by a foreign leader to both houses of Parliament is not an automatic right, it is an earned honor.." It's an honor recently gifted to the likes of China President Xi Jinping and the Emir of Kuwait. Fine and upstanding gentlemen in the tradition Britain so likes, nothing like the American President whom he accuses of racism and sexism. ..."
"... The political/media black hole exists in many other countries too; we are truly entering a whole new phase in both domestic and global affairs. That is what allows for the Trumps and Le Pens of the world to appeal to people; there is nobody else left that people can have any faith in. The system(s) are broken beyond repair, and anyone perceived as belonging to them will be cast aside. Not all at the same time, but all of them nonetheless. ..."
"... my favorite dump on trump was the times article about the special ops raid in yemen. the obama team planned it, trump pulled the trigger. now we learn the yemen government is against special ops raid. (yemen has a government?) we also learn from the times that obama wouldn't have gone through with the raid because too risky! So saint obama is the good killer, trump the bad killer. it makes you sympathetic to trump. but i think alot of us thought trump would calm down some once in office. calling judiciary names, saying they can't even understand concepts that a "bad high school student" can, is not, what's the word, adult? and you can't ignore the sinister intent behind the muslim ban–it's based on propaganda and fear–it's provenance is neocon. ..."
"... In complete agreement with you about the dump trump article praising saint obama to the skies because obama allegedly "refused" to OK the special ops raid on Yemen, but Trump did. LIke, THIS time obama "refused" to do it? Why? Speculation is futile, but my speculation is that Obama held off in order to have it fall on Trump. Then Obama could skippity do dah off into the sunset with his burnished halo in tact. ..."
"... Following Disturbed Voter's comment above – we can usefully distinguish 3 different levels of dishonesty by how hard they are to detect: ..."
"... Level 1 – the everyday liar/hypocrite whose dishonesty we notice over time by observing that what they do is not consistent with what they say, ..."
"... Level 2- the regular criminal who hides his honesty from public view, to profit from it, but can be caught by effective law enforcement, and ..."
"... Level 3- the State Intelligence agency with extreme levels of funding, novel tech. capabilities, secrecy, & ability to ignore or even control law enforcement and large chunks of the public mass media. ..."
"... It's the Level 3 category that society has become relatively defenseless against. Alternative media carries report after report on how the Iraq War was phony, how the US created al Qaeda and ISIS, how Cheney planned to invade Iraq and 6 other Middle East nations on Sept. 20, 2 ..."
"... One word that describes our precious country is incompetence. We have gone from being the 'we-can-do-it' nation that put a man on the Moon to the 'hire a Mexican to do it' nation that cannot find its ass with both hands. The fact of our dysfunction and the country's reliance on migrant labor are what gives form to the efforts of Donald Trump. Yet he acts against himself: he is the lazy-man of American politics who requires others to do his heavy lifting. This does not mean physical labor but instead the struggle to become clear in the mind, to craft out of disparate- and contradictory elements a policy outline or philosophy of governing. This is never attempted, it is too difficult, instead there is the recycling of old, bankrupt memes. The candidate's absence of effort leaves a residue of personality: Trump is a blank page upon which others paint in the sketch, an actor who aims to meet (diminished) public expectations and nothing more, sound and fury significant of nothing in particular. ..."
"... . But our problem is not called Donald Trump. And we need to stop pretending that it is. We are the problem. We allow our governments to tell our armies to bomb and drone innocent people while we watch cooking shows. We have believed, as long as we've been alive, whatever the media feed us, without any critical thought, which we reserve for choosing our next holiday destination ..."
By Raúl Ilargi Meijer, editor of Automatic Earth. Originally published at
Two and a half weeks after the inauguration, and yes it's only been that long, the media still
don't seem to have learned a single thing. They help the Trump campaign on an almost hourly basis
by parroting whatever things, invariably judged as crazy, he says. One day it's that negative
polls are all fake news, the next it's some list of underreported terror events. All of it gets
an avalanche of attention provided by the very people who claim to be against Trump, but greatly
help his cause by doing so.
Not a single thing learned. If Trump tweets tomorrow that tomatoes are really fruits and he's
going to have someone draw up a law to make them so, or that Lego should be recognized as an official
building material in order to have the Danes, too, pay for the wall, it will be on the front page
of every paper and the opening item for every TV news show. The crazier he makes them, the more
serious they are taken. The echo chamber is so eager to incessantly repeat to itself and all its
inhabitants that he's a crazy dude, it's beyond embarrassing.
And it takes us ever further away, and rapidly too, from any serious discussion about serious
issues, the one very thing that the Trump empire desperately calls for. The press should simply
ignore the crazy stuff and focus on what's real, but they can't bring themselves to do so for
fear of losing ratings and ad revenues. All Trump needs to do, and that's not a joke, is to fart
or burp into their echo chamber and they'll all be happy and giddy and all excited and self-satisfied.
A spectacle to behold if ever there was one.
British House of Commons Speaker John Bercow can play that game too. He has loudly advertized
his refusal to let Trump address UK politicians in the House of Commons and the House of Lords:
"An address by a foreign leader to both houses of Parliament is not an automatic right, it is
an earned honor.." It's an honor recently gifted to the likes of China President Xi Jinping and
the Emir of Kuwait. Fine and upstanding gentlemen in the tradition Britain so likes, nothing like
the American President whom he accuses of racism and sexism.
The racism part ostensibly is a reaction to Trump's Muslim ban, which, nutty though it is,
is not a Muslim ban because most Muslims are not affected by it, and besides, 'Muslim' is not
a race. So maybe Bercow would care to explain the 'racism' bit. Has anyone seen the British press
pressuring him to do so? Or, alternatively, has anyone seen a thorough analysis of the British
role, though its military and its weapons manufacturers, in the premature deaths in the Middle
East and North Africa of many thousands of men, women and children belonging to the Muslim 'race'?
The 'sexism' accusation refers to Trump's utterances on for instance the Billy Bush tape(s),
and by all means let's get the Donald to comment on that. But this comes from a man who speaks
as an official representative of the Queen of a country where child sex abuse is a national sport,
from politics to churches to football, where literally thousands of children are trying to speak
up and testify, after having been silenced, ignored and ridiculed for years, about the unspeakable
experiences in their childhood. Surely someone who because of his job description gets to speak
in the name of the Queen can be expected to address the behavior of her own subjects before that
Yeah, that Trump guy is a real terrible person. And he should not be allowed to speak to a
chamber full of people directly responsible for the death of huge numbers of children in far away
sandboxes, for or the abuse of them at home. After all, we're all good Christians and the good
book teaches us about "the beam out of thine own eye". So we're good to go.
What this really tells you is to what extent the political systems in the US and the UK, along
with the media that serve them, have turned into a massive void, a vortex, a black hole from which
any reflection, criticism or self-awareness can no longer escape. By endlessly and relentlessly
pointing to someone, anyone, outside of their own circle of 'righteousness' and political correctness,
they have all managed to implant one view of reality in their voters and viewers, while at the
same time engaging in the very behavior they accuse the people of that they point to. For profit.
Child sex abuse has been a staple of British society for a long time, we're talking at least
decades. Only now is it starting, but only starting, to be recognized as the vile problem it is.
But still many Britons feel entirely justified in demonizing a man who once talked about touching
the genitals of grown women. If that did happen against their will, it's repulsive. But still,
there's that beam, guys. Read your bible.
The political/media black hole exists in many other countries too; we are truly entering
a whole new phase in both domestic and global affairs. That is what allows for the Trumps and
Le Pens of the world to appeal to people; there is nobody else left that people can have any faith
in. The system(s) are broken beyond repair, and anyone perceived as belonging to them will be
cast aside. Not all at the same time, but all of them nonetheless.
Whether you call the menu the people have been fed, fake or false or just plain nonsense, it
makes no difference. The British House of Commons Speaker may not be such a bad guy inside, he's
probably just another victim of the falsehoods, denials and deceit spread 24/7. The difference
between them and ordinary citizens is that Her Majesty's representatives in the political field
MUST know. They get paid good salaries to represent the Queen's subjects, and looking the other
way as children get assaulted and raped does not fit their job description.
That goes for representatives of the church (i.e. Jesus) just as much of course, and for the
execs at the BBC, but about as many of those people are behind bars as there are bankers. For
anyone at all at any of these institutions to now speak with great indignation about Trump's alleged
racism and sexism is the very core of all of their problems, the very reason why so many turn
their backs on them. It shows that the very core or our societies is rotten, and the rot is spreading.
We are facing a lot of problems, all of us, in many different ways, financially, politically,
morally. But our problem is not called Donald Trump. And we need to stop pretending that it is.
We are the problem. We allow our governments to tell our armies to bomb and drone innocent people
while we watch cooking shows. We have believed, as long as we've been alive, whatever the media
feed us, without any critical thought, which we reserve for choosing our next holiday destination.
The longer this braindead attitude prevails, the worse things will get, and the more Trumps
will surface as leaders of their respective countries. And the longer the attitude prevails, the
more anger we will spread in those parts of the world that do not belong to our 'chosen' societies.
And for that we will have only ourselves to blame. Not Trump.
Citizens and politicians are in a social compact, so it is said. Both sides may have defaulted
on the agreement, something the Enlightenment didn't anticipate. In the modern era of triangulation,
opposition parties, that used to keep each other relatively honest, no longer do that. In the
modern era of media consolidation, opposition newspapers, that used to keep each other relatively
honest, no longer do that. Be are being suffocated by de facto bi-partisanship, that is just
a shadow play of its former partisanship. The status quo has gone stale.
my favorite dump on trump was the times article about the special ops raid in yemen.
the obama team planned it, trump pulled the trigger. now we learn the yemen government is against
special ops raid. (yemen has a government?) we also learn from the times that obama wouldn't
have gone through with the raid because too risky! So saint obama is the good killer, trump
the bad killer. it makes you sympathetic to trump. but i think alot of us thought trump would
calm down some once in office. calling judiciary names, saying they can't even understand concepts
that a "bad high school student" can, is not, what's the word, adult? and you can't ignore
the sinister intent behind the muslim ban–it's based on propaganda and fear–it's provenance
In complete agreement with you about the dump trump article praising saint obama to
the skies because obama allegedly "refused" to OK the special ops raid on Yemen, but Trump
did. LIke, THIS time obama "refused" to do it? Why? Speculation is futile, but my speculation
is that Obama held off in order to have it fall on Trump. Then Obama could skippity do dah
off into the sunset with his burnished halo in tact.
Agree with the second part of your comment, too. I wish Trump would behave differently.
The comment about the judiciary was incredibly wrong and also very stupid. His fervent fans
may well clap and cheer for that, but Trump is painting himself into some corners by behaving
that way. The Judiciary and lawyers – a powerful group in this nation, for better or worse
– simply aren't going to take that laying down. Although I'm sure the judiciary will (mostly)
strive for objective impartiality.
The stupid media would serve themselves, their Oligarch owners, and the nation better if
they ignored the bulk of Trump's dumb tweets and focus more closely on what he and his Admin
Following Disturbed Voter's comment above – we can usefully distinguish 3 different
levels of dishonesty by how hard they are to detect:
Level 1 – the everyday liar/hypocrite whose dishonesty we notice over time
by observing that what they do is not consistent with what they say,
Level 2- the regular criminal who hides his honesty from public view, to profit
from it, but can be caught by effective law enforcement, and
Level 3- the State Intelligence agency with extreme levels of funding, novel tech.
capabilities, secrecy, & ability to ignore or even control law enforcement and large chunks
of the public mass media.
It's the Level 3 category that society has become relatively defenseless against. Alternative
media carries report after report on how the Iraq War was phony, how the US created al Qaeda
and ISIS, how Cheney planned to invade Iraq and 6 other Middle East nations on Sept. 20, 2001
– not because of any links to US created al Qaeda – and a big chunk of that plan is still being
carried out today, 4 Presidential terms later.
While we don't know much about what the intelligence agencies do, by design, we do know
a few things. That in the conditions of the early Cold War, and given the mandate against all
enemies foreign and domestic (the oath the military takes) that narrative control is a vital
weapon. We know that journalists, clergy and even rock stars have been actual agents, so the
number of fellow travelers must be considerable. Since the fall of the Soviet Union, it has
been necessary, so it was thought by some, to manufacture new enemies on a Vietnam scale. And
the exercise and paranoia against domestic enemies has returned to 1960s levels as well.
For the old men nostalgic for the 60s, from the neocon side, these last few decades have been
Materially, all we really need is to cover and protect our body from the elements and food.
Everything else is gravy.
Psychologically, we need a lot more than what North American society offers most of us today
but for some reasons we keep on lying to ourselves thinking that if we had a little more stuff
we'd be happier.
We all have to lie to ourselves thousands of times a day to keep our routines and lifestyles
and all these lies make society.
Hey Yves, the tomato question does seem to have something to it: "Nix v. Hedden (1893) was
a decision by the Supreme Court of the United States that, under U.S. customs regulations,
the tomato should be classified as a vegetable rather than a fruit". From Wikipedia:
Note to Ilargi: re tomatoes, somebody got there before Trump :-)
I think a great number of people in the US and in Europe do not trust the MSM any more,
even though they may continue to pay attention as a spectator sport (people do enjoy yelling
at their TV sets). Activism is another ball game that is still being played, but in the US
it has become nearly futile because of the restrictions and police tactics used to squelch
them or shut them down. It can also be impossible to distinguish between genuine protesters,
paid participants, and shit-disturbers or agents-provocateurs, which dilutes the message (questionable
intent by those who want to promote or discredit the demonstration).
Having read the comments here and on other independent sites for a long time, I've noticed
the tremendous increase in articulate and aware commenters that can see through the tissues
of lies from the MSM and take even a lot of the "serious" stuff with a grain of salt, knowing
that some things don't change much and people tend to overreact based on shock-value news designed
to stir resentment and "us vs. them" divisiveness. This is encouraging because it shows people
are wising up, thinking more critically about who is really running the show (it is not
Trump by-and-large), and not allowing their views to be manipulated.
I think Ukraine was a turning point, as the lying of the media was just way too obvious.
That opened a lot of eyes. The reporting on Greece and Merkel/Schäuble's austerity terror was
equally bad, but not many people understand that.
Huh? Iraq? Did I miss something?
I heard about some thingy where we wasted trillions of dollars and killed millions of people.
But all of the people who thought THAT was a good idea are gone now, hiding their heads in
shame and hoping they don't get summoned to a war crimes tribunal. Right?
I believe it was the Gnadenhutten massacre. The 96 Moravian Lenape, brained with mallets,
by Washington's Virginia Militia were probably too busy clawing through their former frozen
fields, looking for corn kernels to feed their children, to pose much of a threat as terrorists?
Yes, what got to me was the Western instigated coup in Ukraine. I voted for Barrack Obama
twice but could not vote for Hillary Clinton. I rationalized that the Iraq Invasion was an
isolated crazy GOP debacle. Denial is powerful defense mechanism. If the media lies, America
is a not so innocent killer, and the Cold War 2.0 with Russia has reignited; we are screwed.
Austerity, scapegoating Russia and the flood of millions of refugees into Europe are proof
that this is the awful truth.
It's about ratings people. The president of NBC himself said it during the campaign when
someone asked why he was televising everything the Insane Clown was saying. You all need to
watch Network again. Nothing's changed. Which means they brought him up and now they will take
and the long trenchant comment by LondonBob including these paras:
"The Twitter-cheering for John Bercow, the transformation of him into a Love, Actually-style
hero of British middle-class probity against a gruff, migrant-banning Yank, could be the most
grotesque political spectacle of the year so far. Not because it's virtue-signalling, as claimed
by the handful of brave critics who've raised their heads above the online orgy of brown-nosing
to wonder if Bercow is really promoting himself rather than parliamentary decency. No, it's
worse than that. It's the lowest species of cant, hypocrisy of epic, eye-watering proportions,
an effort to erase Bercow's and Parliament's own bloody responsibility for the calamities in
the Middle East that Trump is now merely responding to, albeit very badly.
"Bercow, you see, this supposed hero of the refugees and Middle Eastern migrants temporarily
banned from the US, voted for the bombing of Iraq. He green-lighted that horror that did so
much to propel the Middle East into the pit of sorrow and savagery it currently finds itself.
As his profile on the They Work For You website puts it, 'John Bercow consistently voted for
the Iraq War'. On 18 March 2003, he voted against a motion saying the case for war hadn't been
made, even though it hadn't. On the same day he voted for the government to 'use all means
necessary' to ensure the destruction of Iraq's WMD.
"As everyone knows now, and as many of us knew back then, Iraq's WMD capacity had been vastly
exaggerated by the black propaganda of the New Labour government, by myth and misinformation
cynically whipped up to the end of providing Britain's leaders with the thrill of an overseas
moral crusade against evil. Bercow voted in favour of these lies. And he voted for the use
of 'all means necessary' to tame Saddam's regime. We know what this involved: Britain joined
the bombing campaign and courtesy of an ill-thought-through war by Western allies, Iraq was
ripped apart and condemned to more than a decade of bloodshed. And refugee crises. Bercow was
one of the authors of this calamity, one of the signatories to the Middle East's death warrant,
and now we're going to let him posture and preen against Trump's three-month ban on certain
Middle Eastern migrants? What is wrong with us?"
But kudos to kind-hearted Ilargi for willingness to give the benefit of the doubt to one
of these preening monsters!
Trump loves any kind of publicity. The media is playing right into his hand by printing
all of the garbage he generates.I know many Trump voters and supporters. They all complain
that the media is picking on Trump. None of them look seriously at what he says or does. There
universal reaction is give him a chance and quit picking on him.The media would be better off
focusing on his and congreses policy decisions and how that effect the average person. Turning
he's presidency into a big soap opera is actually helping Trump keep his supporters. I have
not heard a single Trump voter say they regret voting for Trump.
Good to see some focus on Britain's version of the Augean stables. In terms of the so called
Westminster paedophile ring – the last I heard on this it was that, Ooops .we appear to have
lost a substantial amount of vital evidence. I imagine that MI6 have on record most if not
all of the disgusting details, which I also imagine are useful assets that can be used to control
In my opinion, this is a good explanation from 2015, of the behaviour of the BBC & the Guardian,
from journalist Jonathon Cook.
So far Trump has only really accomplished two things: he shut down the TPP and he inspired
Lena Dunham to lose some weight. Everything thing else has been more or less noise.
I've always thought this first two years of Trump's reign will involve him in bringing to
heal the establishment GOP (GOPe) Obviously during the confirmation process, Trump has to be
on his best behavior. But I don't like the pattern of Trump issuing useless EO's, and then
the Democrats going ballistic, and then Trump supporters being satiated by all the Dem whining.
That's a recipe for two years of nothing.
On the Muslim ban, there are two parts to it. The current NeoCon / NeoLib tag-team play
is to kill a million Muslims in their nations and then to offer the survivors the weak reach
around of letting a million Muslims emigrate to the West. Trump seems to be offering a different
deal. The West stops killing Muslims in Muslim nations and in return Muslims stay in Muslim
nations and stop coming to the West. We have yet to see if Trump can hold off the temptation
to start slaughtering Muslims in their nations like the NeoCons do.
I get the feeling from Trump's over-the-top reaction to the courts staying his Muslim ban
that he actually doesn't want it reinstated. I read on a pro-Trump legal blog that the Justice
Department lawyers were super weak in their arguments before the 9th Circuit court, in what
should be a super easy case to argue. Activist judges halting the ban means when the inevitable
next terrorist attack comes, Trump can blame it on the judges and make some sort of move to
purge their power.
On Iran, Trump has zero leverage and so I do not see how this is going to end well. The
only thing we can hope for is this is a bit of Kabuki being regulated by Putin. In the end
a US-Russian alliance, as Trump is proposing, means a closer relationship between the US and
Iran. Israel will not be pleased.
My theory on Trump's relationship to Israel is that he is giving them enough rope for them
to hang themselves. In Europe particularly the Israeli brand is getting fatally interwoven
with the Trump brand. So far the only thing saving Israel is diaspora Jews being able to shame
their local populations away from the BDS movement. But the diaspora is 98% anti-Trump. There
is currently a huge increase of oxygen being given to the BDS movement, which means it should
soon spring back to life.
Can Trump be allies with Israel and Russia (and Iran)? The only way I can see this happening
is a deal where Iran gets to go nuclear and become fully integrated into the global community
in exchange for allowing Hezbollah to be wiped out by Israel.
Trump is at his anti-NeoLiberal best when he is in deep trouble. I was happy when that Access
Hollywood tape came out because I knew he would have to double down on Steve Bannon and Stephen
Miller and go full-on butch economic nationalist. And it won him the election. Hopefully the
seas will get very rough soon and we can all enjoy the spectacle of full combat between Team
Trump and the GOPe.
The entire Trump military/security team is wildly anti-Muslim, so the thought they are not
going to keep on killing Muslims all over the map is just plain silly.
Bannon is just plain dangerous. Here's a piece on his favorite books. Not surprisingly,
he hates Muslims. Also, he appears to imagine himself a brilliant strategist for the ages who
just happens to be the right man for 'The Fourth Turning', one of those ideas and books that
purports the existence of an historical pattern based on a cycle of generations, each generation
of every group of 4 having its own 'character', taken together claiming to explain a long cycle
of great crises and/or turning points of US history. He believes we are now in such a critical
period. It's one of those notions that has superficial appeal but quickly falls apart when
TPP? Globalization? I see no evidence whatever that Trump has any intention of rolling back
US-dominated corporate globalization, rather, he wants to create trade flows that are even
more wildly skewed in favour of US financial/corporate power internationally even while effectively
transferring wealth from the periphery to core of Empire to support some minor job creation
– of course in the meantime granting outlandish tax cuts to corporations and the wealthy at
I'm sorry, but Trump et al have played millions and millions of well-meaning Americans like
The best description of the "Trump Situation" ever written was penned by 'Steve from Virginia'
author of the blog Economic Undertow:
One word that describes our precious country is incompetence. We have gone from being
the 'we-can-do-it' nation that put a man on the Moon to the 'hire a Mexican to do it' nation
that cannot find its ass with both hands. The fact of our dysfunction and the country's reliance
on migrant labor are what gives form to the efforts of Donald Trump. Yet he acts against himself:
he is the lazy-man of American politics who requires others to do his heavy lifting. This does
not mean physical labor but instead the struggle to become clear in the mind, to craft out
of disparate- and contradictory elements a policy outline or philosophy of governing. This
is never attempted, it is too difficult, instead there is the recycling of old, bankrupt memes.
The candidate's absence of effort leaves a residue of personality: Trump is a blank page upon
which others paint in the sketch, an actor who aims to meet (diminished) public expectations
and nothing more, sound and fury significant of nothing in particular.
I'm surprised no one seems to see a serious side to the reporting of Trump's antics. Is
it not important to keep hammering home that the man is unhinged and that this is something
pulling at the social frabric, something crying out to be dealt with? I seriously doubt that
we'll be able to address the "real issues" adequately until we find ways come to terms with
him not as a buffoon but as a deeply flawed human being.
Another false note–"Muslim is not a race." True, but being Jewish is not a racial characteristic
and yet it is obvious that antisemitism is very similar to racism in its irrationality and
hatred. Antisemites a hundred years ago would in some cases point to radicals who were Jewish
as their excuse, just as Islamophobes would point to Islamic extremism as theirs. Racists I
grew around would point to Idi Amin's Uganda ( yes, I am old) and other African countries with
horrible human rights records as proof that American blacks should be grateful to be here.
This "Islam is not a race" is mainly a tiresome distraction used by bigots and not a prelude
to a deeper discussion on the wide varieties of human bigotries. Bigots can use almost any
category they wish and concoct pseudo- rational propositions to buttress their hatred. We even
have lefties hating blue collar white males as a group for Trump support. We don't have to
join the people who use nitpicking phrases not to analyze, but to justify their hatreds. I
don't think the writer intends to do this, but he is using a standard Muslim blame cannon phrase.
After all this, I actually liked the rest of this piece, but that part was nails on a chalkboard
to me. I am glad the liberal mainstream is siding with Muslims against Trump. There are some
liberals ( Maher, Sam Harris etc..) who have been pushing a Muslim bashing agenda. And yes,
as usual the mainstream which is so solicitous of Muslim rights cared little when Obama bombed
Muslim countries. But I would rather that liberals be right if hypocritical then consistently
You forgot to mention Zionist racism directed toward Palestinians. An equally equivalent
contemporary application of the term
On the subject of Trump i believe his executive order is directed toward travelers from
seven countries that the previous Potus identified in an anti-terrorist executive order.
If I have it correctly, Neither Trump or BHO e orders are directed against muslims or any other
religion for thats matter.
I agree with you on Zionist racism towards Palestinians.
On the deep path on the definition of racism, it depends. Given the prevalence of Islamophobia
in the US, some of it on the left ( including the kneejerk supporters of Israel), I don't think
it is helpful to use the "Islam is not a race" phrase as some sort of rebuttal. Islamophobia
is a form of bigotry– whether one wants to nitpick about exactly what form should depend on
I probably shouldn't have said anything, since the original poster clearly isn't a bigot,
but it set me off because in most cases this "Islam is not a race" phrase is used by Islamophibes
and they of course do not follow up by pointing out that it is a form of bigotry, like antisemitism.
If the poster here only means we should call it bigotry and not racism, I agree.
But that meme is used a lot and usually by Islamophobes who won't cop to being bigots either.
They aren't trying to have a deep conversation about different forms of bigotry. They are trying
to argue that it is rational to fear Muslims because Islam is, in their view, an inherently
evil ideology. But in practice Islamophobes are not rational or necessarily even consistent.
That's why I wrote my comment, pointing out that bigotry in any form is generally not some
carefully thought out logical train of thought, but some pseudo- rational set of propositions
often garbled together. This is why a Sikh can get beaten up by Islamophobes. It is also why
antisemites are often so confused about whether they hate Jews as a religion, as an alleged
race, or as some group of scary communist bankers. It's not like racism itself is usually based
on a clear understanding of biology.
So if we are going to push back on Islamophobia as racism, it should be so people see it
as like antisemitism, which is what it most closely resembles.
I have written enough today, so I am going to stop.
The reality is language evolves, often for the worse making clarity of message a casualty,
unless a tedious definition of terms is invoked which can easily end up being a form of deflection
from the original point.. ..
File under :Liberal/Conservative/Neoliberal/Progressive. I find all these Identity Labels can
be very loosely applied for reasons other than clarity.
In the case of the word Race, it is, some would correctly contend, archaic terminology while
simultaneously being convenient shorthand for "red meat" identity invectives.
Muslim isn't a race. If the ban had been about Arabs not being allowed in you'd have a point.
However, a person from Indonesia is allowed in and that country is almost entirely Muslim.
Plus, complaining about the US exercising boarder control is ridiculous. That is one the
jobs of a nation. No one bat an eye when Japan stated we're not allowing anyone in wrt to any
refugee problem. Yet when any Western nation does it, the sky falls and the charges of bigotry
People who live in countries that are bombed by the US or its close allies have the moral
right to come here. Yemen, for instance, is bombed by the US and much more heavily by the Saudis
with our help and keeping refugees from Yemen out is an extreme form of ugly Americanism. If
we don't want the refugees, then we should stop causing or contributing to the chaos and death
in the countries which produce the refugees.
In other words, morality is a matter of preference and your number one moral value in this
context is keeping out refugees, people who suffer precisely because of our foreign policy.
Demographic balance is somewhere near the top of your own personal list of flavors. Anyway,
my notion of moral right involves the crazy idea that if you help destroy a country you have
moral obligations to the victims.
And by the way, Trump is likely to escalate our support for the Saudi war on Yemen.
LOL it certainly was a matter of preference for our recently departed Drone-Bomber-In-Chief,
and for all of the people who (thought/think) he was a really moral and upstanding kind of
guy. Just like our former Secretary of State, who threatened to cut off Sweden if they didn't
accept Monsanto poison.
"You're black!" said the pot to the kettle
Meaningless. The US frequently bombs innocent people or helps others like the Saudis or
the Israelis do so. You say it is wrong, as do I, but apparently there are no consequences
allowed in your moral universe which might inconvenience us. We really have no moral obligations
at all– we can bomb people and if the survivors wish to come here to escape then we have the
right to keep them out according to you. All this boils down to is that we have the strongest
military. Your views regarding whether we should bomb someone are nothing more than your own
idiosyncratic preference and that is using your own standard. The people who control the military
want to use it to bomb other countries, so they do. Might makes Right.
I read it. So what? If we go ahead and bomb countries anyway, creating refugees, we have
no obligation to help them. It is like saying that it was wrong for some Wall Street guys to
steal people's money, but if they do, they have no obligation to give it back.
The US does bomb countries, so your flat earth analogy doesn't really work here. We aren't
discussing hypotheticals. There are real refugees from real policies and Trump is likely to
continue them or make them worse. We are directly responsible for the misery of vast numbers
of people and the numbers are likely to grow. Set aside the internet squabble we are having,
because you are so wrapped up in it you are losing touch with what we are arguing about.
Anyway, as I just wrote upthread, I have written enough.
No they don't have that right. It falls under "that's your problem".
Now, as harsh as that is I think from a humanitarian view and basic decency another nation
should show some compassion and allow them succor. However, nations and the people of those
nations are under no obligation to do so.
Moral rights are meaningless. And yes, I do agree that another nation shouldn't create the
refugees to begin with. As I find war to be a tool that is to be used as last resort. What
has been occurring in the mid-East has been so far from a last resort that I can't even come
up with a decent metaphor or simile.
But that still doesn't change the fact that people do not have the right to enter another
nation if the nation decides to say "No".
So if we go ahead and bomb Yemen or help the Saudis bomb Yemen, it really doesn't matter
at all. We are responsible for war crimes, but we have zero obligation to help the victims.
You switch back and forth between talk of morality and the law of the strongest. You say
we shouldn't bomb other countries for no good reason, but that is as much a meaningless platitude
as you say moral rights are in general. Basically you find it distasteful that we bomb other
countries, but what really exercises you is the possibility that some refugees might come here.
That will not stand.
Anon is correct. We can be obligated to bomb other countries by treaty. For instance, we
bombed France to oust the Nazis as a result of treaty obligations. It is also correct to say
that the US has been flagrantly ignoring what were considered to be international norms (pretty
much no one notices here, but Russia has been making a stink on a regular basis in the UN).
Any day since 1/20, you could look at the front page of WaPo, NYT, CNN, etc., and see op-eds
about how Trump is very very non-professional, sullying the good name of the office of the
President. Denigrating the institution and the very very serious role it plays in American
society, nay, the world! And yet the same front page will also cover, in-detail, whatever halfbaked
Trump tweet or Spicer's performance-art-as-press-conference has been served up that day. They
recognize that it's become a farce, but like someone who can't stop poking the tooth that hurts,
they present the farce as being very very important news. The establishment press has become
too enamored of the pomp and circumstance, the ceremonial of the White House media operation
and their visible, although largely pointless, role in the whole thing. They're too scared
of giving that up, lest they lose prominence or, le horror, have to do real reporting. So the
Washington press corp prop up their end of the ceremony in the vain hopes of a return to the
way things were, in denial of how their function is quickly becoming redundant. If all they're
going to do is talk about Trump's latest tweet, we might as well just stop reading their sites
and just read his tweets ourselves. Social media can just give us the press releases directly,
we don't need the press to act as town criers, screeching out Trump's decree in the town squares.
"Emerson College study found that the American public trusts Trump more than the media.
The WaPo's attempt to turn readers away from great sites like NC with their "fake news"
story has backfired spectacularly. Thanks to NC and others furious initial pushback, including
well crafted letters from NC's atty and the recipients responses published on NC, the term
"fake news" has become a joke in the court of public opinion. It's become a subject for comedy
skits. This is no small thing. Actually, it's a pretty big thing. McCarthist witch hunts live
and die in the court of public opinion, imo. See: Joseph Welch, "Have you no sense of decency
And with that exchange the court of public opinion turned against McCarthy and the witch
hunt. Now where was I going with this ?
I was a census worker in 2010, and the forms didn't include Hispanic/Latino as a race; rather,
it was put as a separate identity category with sub-answers for specific country of ancestral
origin. However, 9 times out of 10 Hispanic responds would have me put "Hispanic" in the write-in
box for the "Other" race option (the other 10% would have me write-in their ancestral country).
The smarties with the degrees can say it's not a race, but if the people say that's their race,
who are we to say otherwise?
Ask Rachel Dolezal. Or perhaps Elizabeth Warren, an undocumented Native American (i.e.,
Indian). And yes, Pew Research would agree that folks who consider themselves to be Latino
consider Latino to be a race. But most are Native American.
But not anyone can be recognized as Native American in the USA unless they are on a tribal
register, which is odd, as the USG seems to subject Native American citizens to a higher level
of proof than Native Americans from south of the border.
" . But our problem is not called Donald Trump. And we need to stop pretending that it is.
We are the problem. We allow our governments to tell our armies to bomb and drone innocent
people while we watch cooking shows. We have believed, as long as we've been alive, whatever
the media feed us, without any critical thought, which we reserve for choosing our next holiday
Yes, the media creates distortions in our perceptions. Yes, the orange one plays that terrain
like a pro. Yes the British MP is hypocritical. I am with you there.
"We are the problem." This kind of reasoning may be correct on a cosmic scale but it always
seems to run to one of two conclusions. 1) Become a Buddhist and try to improve yourself. 2)
Humans are too dumb to survive; wait until nature takes its course and humans kill themselves
off playing Russian Roulette.
I am not sure what your are recommending here. Do we let the orange sacred clown run this
imperialist project into the ground? (To be replaced by what?) Or in opposing Trump do we clarify
what we do want = i.e. a government that does not torture, a government that does not protect
gotcha game mortgage lenders, a government that does not arm the world, a government that does
not subsidize old suicidal fossil fuels, a government that is not run by a hysterical 3 AM
tweeting 16 year old Marie Antoinette, your issue here .
I don't know the answer here. The orange bull in the china shop is useful in so far as he
reveals certain truths = ex: waterboarding is torture, congressmen are for sale, America has
killed a lot of people, etc. If he stops the NeoCon project of invading other countries he
might even be a benefit to world peace. But he's also likely to get people killed with his
impulsive decisions and his ginning up the rubes.
What this really tells you is to what extent the political systems in the US and the
UK, along with the media that serve them, have turned into a massive void, a vortex, a black
hole from which any reflection, criticism or self-awareness can no longer escape. By endlessly
and relentlessly pointing to someone, anyone, outside of their own circle of 'righteousness'
and political correctness, they have all managed to implant one view of reality in their
voters and viewers, while at the same time engaging in the very behavior they accuse the
people of that they point to. For profit.
On a recent interview with Donald Trump, Bill O'Reilly stated in regards to Vladimir Putin
"But he's a killer". Donald Trump responds with a truth rarely heard in the media today, "There
are a lot of killers. Do you think our country is so innocent?"
I may not be a fan of Donald Trumps, but, how can we put down that level of honesty? Imagine
if we actually had an honest nationwide discussion on what we are doing in the rest of the
"... US and EU sanctions only affect Russian offshore projects in the Arctic and development of Russia's tight oil. If sanctions are lifted, projects with foreign participation in these two areas will be able to produce meaningful quantities of oil not before 2025. But these volumes will not be sufficient to flood the market. ..."
"... Russia is participating in OPEC-non-OPEC supply cuts and certainly is not interested in flooding the market and exerting a downward pressure on prices. ..."
"... The only Russia's offshore Arctic project is Prirazlomnoye field developed by Gazpromneft without foreign participation (already producing oil). ..."
"... In general, even if there were no sanctions, Arctic projects would be developed relatively slowly, due to high costs and environmental issues. Russia's long-term energy program anticipates more or less meaningful volumes of oil production in the Arctic offshore only in the 2030s. ..."
"... Everything in that stuff you wrote is baloney. Russia's Black Sea exports go through Novorossysk and Tuapse. There isn't an oil pipeline going to Crimea. Furthermore, putting an oil loading port in Crimea is nutty (because the oil comes from the East and it makes much more sense to load as far to the East as possible). There used to be some oil loaded in Odessa, but that was never a big deal. ..."
"... Regarding the Exxon deal, that's also baloney. But I don't feel like trying to explain the basics to somebody who picks up information from Facebook. ..."
"... From all that I've read, I would conclude that a "flood of oil" out of Russia is about as likely as a "flood of new fracked oil from shales in the United States, not yet drilled." That is, it's rather low on the probability meter. ..."
"... Why target Russia? Is it because of an impending Seneca cliff in Saudi Arabia? They were supposed to peak 10 years ago but water and nitrogen injections kept them afloat. Now? ..."
"... Thus, what the United States is playing at here is trying to install a different "regime" in Russia. That being, one that Vladimir Putin does not control or have any influence over. This is easier said than done and the United States knows this. But the stakes are quite a bit higher than controlling the dwindling oil supply in the Middle East. Russia is obviously in control of most of the world's remaining oil reserves. The United States needs a puppet regime in Russia to have access to that oil without paying the correct market price for it. ..."
"... At some point, this gambit will fail. Russia is not the Middle East. A war with Russia cannot be won or cease-fired out of. Nor can a United States-backed "regime change" succeed over there. This is not the 1990s Russia of Boris Yeltsin. The United States, however, cannot come clean with the truth to the American people. The reason is because if the American people knew the truth, they'd never sleep nights anymore. The truth is this: Our entire economic system is based on petroleum and low-cost petroleum at that. But the actual nightmare is that our entire agricultural system is based on cheap oil." ..."
"Exxon Mobil, under Rex Tillerson, brokered a deal with Russia in 2013 to lease over 60 million
acres of Russian land to pump oil out of (which is five times as much land as they lease in the
United States), but all that Russian oil would go through pipelines in the Ukraine, who heavily
tax the proceeds, and Ukraine was applying for admission into NATO at the time.
Putin subsequently invaded Ukraine in 2014, secured the routes to export the oil tax-free by
sea, and took control of the port where their Black Sea Naval Fleet is based, by taking the Crimean
peninsula from Ukraine by force. This was Hitler style imperialism that broke every international
law in the free world.
After Obama sanctioned Russia for the invasion, Exxon Mobil could only pump oil from approximately
3 of those 60+ million acres. But now Rex Tillerson is soon to be our Secretary of State, and
as of today, there's information circulating that Donald Trump will likely unilaterally remove
all sanctions against Russia in the coming days or weeks.
The Russian government's oil company, Rosneft, will make half a trillion (500 Billion) dollars
from that much untapped oil, all pumped tax-free through Crimea, stolen from Ukraine, now owned
by Russia. Putin may have subverted our government just for this deal to go through."
Now, a flood of oil on the market from Russia would likely keep US oil prices down, thus hurting
US drillers right?
If one is conspiracy-minded, could that be part of the deal, too? Russia uses low oil prices
to take down US oil production, and then tries assert itself as one of the countries left standing.
In about 1780, Catherine the Great and the Ottoman Empire agreed that the Crimea was a part of
Russia. [Yes, there was conflict for years prior (as with any other piece of land in the world).]
In 1954, in honor of the 300th Anniversary of the Republic of Ukraine being a part of Russia,
Nikita Krushchev "gave" the governance of the Crimea to the Republic of Ukraine. It was not constitutional
under the Russian constitution. The UN said nothing about it, nor any other international law
body. Krushchev later trumped up an approval without even a quorum.
So the Republic of Ukraine seceded from Russia and took the Crimea with it. In the US, when
states (republics) seceded [having been states for much less than 100 years, let alone over 300
years] the rest of the states killed as many people as they could until they "agreed to rejoin
the union." People might not like it, but the vast majority of people living in the Crimea had
ties to mother Russia, and they voted to go back to being governed by Russia. So, Putin accepted.
And please, let's not get into an argument about the fairness of elections, unless your candidate
So, what would we do if Obama gave South Carolina to Florida, and then Florida seceded. I guess
that the rest of the states would just say "shucks, we lost South Carolina too." Especially if
South Carolina had the only warm water port in the US [the Crimea has the only warm water port
in Russia]. The rest of the ports are in the North Sea, etc. And, yes, that is a critical military
"This was Hitler style imperialism that broke every international law in the free world." That
is a pathetic joke! Okay – let's let the US South secede again, since the Cival War broke every
international law in the free world and was exactly the same as Hitler's imperialism.
Just one clarification: the ports in Crimea are not the only warm water ports in Russia.
Russia has several other ports in the Black Sea and Azov Sea.
Other ports are in the Baltic Sea, Arctic seas and the Pacific; not in the North Sea
Perhaps I am wrong, but are those other ports large enough and deep enough for military use [which
I failed to state clearly]? I beleive that Russia still operated their huge military port in the
Crimea even after the Ukraine seceded and prior to Russia taking back the Crimea.
Rurik set up rule in Novgorod, giving more provincial towns to his brothers. There is some
ambiguity even in the Primary Chronicle about the specifics of the story, "hence their paradoxical
statement 'the people of Novgorod are of Varangian stock, for formerly they were Slovenes.'" However,
archaeological evidence such as "Frankish swords, a sword chape and a tortoiseshell brooch" in
the area suggest that there was, in fact, a Scandinavian population during the tenth century at
the latest. The "Rurikid Dynasty DNA Project" of FamilyTreeDNA commercial genetic genealogy
company reports that Y-DNA testing of the descendants of Rurikids suggests their non-Slavic origin.
Kiev was the Capital of Russia when Moscow was still a hunting camp
It's your choice to use Facebook as the main source of information on the oil and gas industry,
but please don't repost this BS on the oil-dedicated thread.
Exxon Mobil didn't lease any land in Russia. It is the operator of the Sakhalin-1 project in
Russia' Far East (very far from Ukraine); and oil produced from this project is exported by sea
Exxon's JV with Rosneft has also found an oil field in Kara Sea (Russian Arctic), but this
project was suspended due to the sanctions.
In the past Russia was exporting a small part of its oil by the "Druzhba" ("Friendship") pipeline
through Ukraine and was paying normal transporation fee, not taxes.
Now all Russian oil is exported via Russian oil terminals near Novorossiisk (Black Sea) and
Ust-Luga and Primorsk (on the Baltic Sea). New transporation routes include East-Siberia – Pacific
Ocean (ESPO) oil pipeline linking Russian oil fields in Siberia with the ports on Pacific Ocean
and with China's Daking; as well as oil terminals in the Arctic (Varandey).
If US sanctions on Russia are lifted, Rosneft and Exxon will be able to develop their joint
project in the Artcic, but oil found there certainly is not worth "half a trillion (500 Billion)
dollars', and cannot seriously change the global supply-demand balance.
clueless gave you a good answer on Crimea
BTW, 1) there is no oil terminal in Crimea;
2) Russian oil is taxed in Russia
"It's your choice to use Facebook as the main source of information on the oil and gas industry,
but please don't repost this BS on the oil-dedicated thread."
I never use Facebook as a source of information on the oil and gas industry. The topic never
comes up among my Facebook friends or my news sources on Facebook. When I want gas and oil info,
I use Google to look at legitimate news sources from industry observers.
I just wanted some people's thoughts on that. Your reaction actually tells me a lot about how
you think about it.
We've had quite a few discussions here about how politics, both domestic and international,
shapes oil production, so I was just inquiring about any insight. I'm rather surprised that you
are telling me not to even post a question on the subject. Touchy, maybe?
The relationship between Trump and Russia has triggered some questions, not just among Democrats,
but also the GOP. And some people are wondering if there is some tie in about oil.
"some people are wondering if there is some tie in about oil."
The only "tie in" is Exxon's frozen investments in the Pobeda (Victory) field in the Kara Sea.
But that's no secret; you can find information on this project on Exxon's and Rosneft's websites
and in international business media.
The Sakhalin-1 project is not covered by the sanctions and is being successfully developed.
"Will a flood of Russian oil affect US oil prices?"
US and EU sanctions only affect Russian offshore projects in the Arctic and development of
Russia's tight oil. If sanctions are lifted, projects with foreign participation in these two
areas will be able to produce meaningful quantities of oil not before 2025. But these volumes
will not be sufficient to flood the market.
Russia is participating in OPEC-non-OPEC supply cuts and certainly is not interested in flooding
the market and exerting a downward pressure on prices.
I think Exxon could re-enter the project if the sanctions are lifted. If sanctions are not lifted
for several years, Rosneft will likely develop this field independently, but it would take more
time as Rosneft lacks experience in offshore projects.
The only Russia's offshore Arctic project is Prirazlomnoye field developed by Gazpromneft without
foreign participation (already producing oil).
In general, even if there were no sanctions, Arctic projects would be developed relatively
slowly, due to high costs and environmental issues. Russia's long-term energy program anticipates
more or less meaningful volumes of oil production in the Arctic offshore only in the 2030s.
"Exxon Mobil, under Rex Tillerson, brokered a deal with Russia in 2013 to lease over 60 million
acres of Russian land to pump oil out of (which is five times as much land as they lease in the
United States), but all that Russian oil would go through pipelines in the Ukraine"
Almost all pipelines through Ukraine are nat gas. Not oil. There is some minor oil flow. "All"
is just profoundly absurd.
Russia's oil output is going to Asia and northern Europe via Transneft lines to Poland and
Belarus. Not through Ukraine. Haven't looked for where those Exxon leases are, but I'm pretty
sure that's the Rosneft joint venture up around the Arctic.
Nowhere near Ukraine. This is all just completely wrong.
FedBook, er I mean Facebook, is a ghetto of sentimentality. I suggest deleting from it. I joined
Facebook once for a very short time and the only thing I learnt from it was that most of my friends
Everything in that stuff you wrote is baloney. Russia's Black Sea exports go through Novorossysk
and Tuapse. There isn't an oil pipeline going to Crimea. Furthermore, putting an oil loading port
in Crimea is nutty (because the oil comes from the East and it makes much more sense to load as
far to the East as possible). There used to be some oil loaded in Odessa, but that was never a
Regarding the Exxon deal, that's also baloney. But I don't feel like trying to explain the
basics to somebody who picks up information from Facebook.
From all that I've read, I would conclude that a "flood of oil" out of Russia is about as likely
as a "flood of new fracked oil from shales in the United States, not yet drilled." That is, it's
rather low on the probability meter.
Again from what I've read (numerous sources) the Russian oil fields are being extracted just
about as heavily as they can be at this time, as are the Saudi fields, again relying on a number
of different sources.
Without getting too "tinfoil-hatty" I'd say most of the stories about the global oil markets
which promise big bursts of production from (heretofore undisclosed) big new oil fields are in
the category of "fake news." These stories serve to boost U.S. consumer confidence and U.S. automobile
and light truck sales, but contradict what people in the industry (such as Art Berman, Tadeusz
Patzek et al.) are saying about future supply.
"I've gotten a couple emails from people who have asked me what I think the "end game" is in
regards to Russia. And, indeed, the government is going into extra innings with this whole Russia
vilification project. This is worse than someone who has held on to a grudge for years. The government
does that, too, but they haven't done it over ideology (as with Cuba) for quite some time now.
What, then, is the motive?
The motive is perfectly clear: Oil. You see, Russia has already eclipsed Saudi Arabia as the
world's biggest oil producer. This means the big Saudi oil fields are drying up. And the government
knows that, but they can't tell us this because it'll create a panic. One would think this would
motivate the United States to get cozier with Russia. However, what the United States government
fears is that if we do that, Russia will twig to the motive for it, and realize it has the United
States over a barrel. An oil barrel. At which point the price goes up. Not to mention extracting
concessions in the global sphere of influence.
Thus, what the United States is playing at here is trying to install a different "regime" in
Russia. That being, one that Vladimir Putin does not control or have any influence over. This
is easier said than done and the United States knows this. But the stakes are quite a bit higher
than controlling the dwindling oil supply in the Middle East. Russia is obviously in control of
most of the world's remaining oil reserves. The United States needs a puppet regime in Russia
to have access to that oil without paying the correct market price for it.
At some point, this gambit will fail. Russia is not the Middle East. A war with Russia cannot
be won or cease-fired out of. Nor can a United States-backed "regime change" succeed over there.
This is not the 1990s Russia of Boris Yeltsin. The United States, however, cannot come clean with
the truth to the American people. The reason is because if the American people knew the truth,
they'd never sleep nights anymore. The truth is this: Our entire economic system is based on petroleum
and low-cost petroleum at that. But the actual nightmare is that our entire agricultural system
is based on cheap oil."
Saudi has had water injection for much longer than ten years on pretty well all it's fields and
I don't think they are using nitrogen injection anywhere, there may be some small CO2 EOR projects
though. Their production has been maintained by developing three old, heavy oil fields that were
mostly dormant (Manifa, Khurais and Shaybah), by using a lot of in-fill drilling and intelligent
wells (where water breakthrough can be controlled) on maturing fields and by extensively redeveloping
offshore fields with new wellhead platforms and adding artificial lift. I don't think their fields
are anywhere near drying up; they may be hitting some limits in surface facilities – probably
to do with water injection or treatment of produced water which means they have to continually
choke back so as not to damage the reservoirs.